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LOK SABHA
DEBATES

(Fifth Series)

Vol. XVIll

[ August 14 to August 28, 1972/Sravana 23 to Bhadry 6, 1894 (Saka)}

Fifth Session, 1972/1894 (Saks)

(Vol. XV III contains Nos, 11—20 )

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT
NEW DELHI

CONTENTS

[Fifth Series— Vol XVIII , 5th Session, 1972]

No. 1 1 — Monday. August 14, \m;Sravana 2.1. 1 894 (Saka)

Obituary Reference —

Death of Shrimati Minimata

Agamdius Guru .

Columns

1-10

Shrimati Indira Gandhi

•

1-2

Shri Dasaratha Deb

2-3

Shri S M. Banerjee

Shri G. Viswanathan

•

3-4

Shri Tagannathrao losln .

Shu Shyamnandan Mishra

4-5

Piof Madhu Dandavate

Shn Ebiahim Sulaiman Sail

Shri Arvind Nctam .

•

Shri R. S Pandey

6-7

Dr Ciovind Das

Shri R. D Bhandare

•

7-8

Shri "Shrikrishna Agaiwal

Shri Ramkanwar.

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Monday* August 14. I912lbrauwa 23,
1894 (Saka)

l he Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the
Clock.

[Mu. Snt'AKtR in the Chan]
OBITUARY REFERENC E

MR SPEAKER: Honourable ment-
hols, I have to inform the House of the
tragjc dernnse of S'hnmatt Mmimatu
\gam Dass Gum who passed avvav in
an ail crash near Delhi on the night of
Nth August 1972. at the age of %

Shnmuli Again Da^s Guiu was a
silting member ol lok Sabha Irom
lanjgu constituency ol Madhya Pri-
desh. She had also been a member of
I ii si. Second. 1 bird and Fouilh lok
Sabha from 1953 to 1970. She was so
calm and gentle and was respected In
one and all. Coming from the back-
ward stiata of our society, during her
long membership of Lok Sabha. she
always championed the cause of Hari-
jans, women and depressed classes and
spoke tor eradication of social evils like
the dowiy system, child marriage and
untouchabihty . Whenever she took part
m the proceedings, she used to impress
the House very much by hei dedication
lo her ideals and sincciity in her ap-
proach. She was associated with a
number of social welfaic and educatio-
nal institutions m her State

We deeply mourn her loss and I am
sure the House will lom me in convey-
ing our condolences to the bereaved
family.

THE PRIME MINISTER, {lINIS-
IER OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINIS-
TER OF ELECTRONICS, MINISTER
OF HOME AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF
INFORMATION AND BROADCAST-
ING AND MINISTER OF SPACE
IfSHRIMAT I INDIRA GANDHI) :
[Sir, this is a sad occasion for us all and
points once again to the uncertainty of
life.

Shrimati Minimata was a fine example
of Indian womanhood. Jl was my privi-
lege to know her closely for many years
Soft-spoken and dignified, simple in her
habits, yet firm in her convictions and
effective in her work, she was an un-
failing champion of the cause of the
weak and the downtrodden. She com-
manded the respect of this House and
of the public for her sincerity, her ear-
nestness of purpose and sense of
dedication. She had been, as you, Sir,
have mentioned, a Member of Parlia-
ment for 20 years and was the senior-
most woman Member.

Although one <jf the quieter members,
she was articulate on subjects which
interested her, aifc her participation in
discussions was always impressive and
to the point.

She was equally active in work in her
c mstituency, as iegai ds various problems
ol Madhya Pradesh, the problems of
evils which exist in our society and
those of the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes all over the country.

Death is always sorrowful but u is
specially so on this occasion when it
has come so suddenly and in suen a
giuesome manner. Shrimati Minimata
was commg to Delhi to be with us today
and tomorrow to join the 25th anouer-
sar> functions

Her demise is a loss to Parliament
and to us all. 1 feel it as a personal
loss. We are all deeply grieved and
i equest you, Str, to convey our condo-
lences to her family.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura
Fust) : This is a very sad occasion and
on behalf of my Party, the Communist
Party of India (Marxist) and on my
behalf, I fully associate myself* with the
sentiments of deep sorrow expressed by
the Prime Minister and you at the tragic
death of .Shrimati Minimata Again Dass
Guru, a Member of this House smee
1953.

1 happen to know Shrimati Mmim ita
very closely as we were neighbour
while 1 was staving in North Avenue

Obituary Reference

AUGUST U, 1972

Obituary Reference

IShn Dasaratha Deb]
from 1953 to J 961 - She was very allec-
tionate to the children also and she
worked among the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes and Hanjans parti-
cularly.

As far as l know, she was a veteran
social worker, confining hci woik main-
ly to the backward classes people, and
her death is a great loss to the country

] request you to convey our deep con-
dolences to the beieaved larnily of
Shrimati Minimata.

SHRJ S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur):
Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 knew Shrimati
Minimata since the day I entered Parlia-
ment m 1957. To me, she was an em-
blem of simplicity Her heart bled lor
the common man, specially lor those
who are downtrodden and whom society
has not given a proper'place even today

She was connected vfilh so many wel-
fare organisations I remember how
when in this House the question of atro-
cities on Harijan women came up, she
reacted. I also remember when less
time was given for discussion ol the
Reports of the Commissioner lor Sche-
duled C astes and Scheduled 1 nbes.
though a calm lady, an emblem ol
patience, she rose to the height and
demanded more discussion.

It is most unfortunate she did not
meet a natural death. It reminds me ol
the tragic and untimely death of the
Member for Kanpur, the late lamented
Shn Hanharnath Shastri, in similar
circumstances

On behalf of my Party and on my
own behalf, I express my heartfelt con-
dolences and request you to kindly
convey the same to the family of
Shrimati Minimata.

SHRI G VISWANATHAN (Wandi-
wash) . It is a sad occasion that on this
25th amiiversaiy of our independence,
we have lost one of our seniormost
members

We hav^ had many occasions to work
with Shrimati Minimata in various capa-
cities in the House and outside and in
committee meetings. The fact that she
was elected for five consecutive terms
from the same constituency to this
House shows her popularity and in-
fluence among the public, particularly
the tribal areas.

On behalf of my- Party and on my
own behalf, I associate myself with the
deep sorrow expressed by you and re-
quest you to convey our condolences to
the bereaved family.

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(Rajapur) Mr. Speaker, Sir. all death
is sad but the pangs of death become
more sorrowful when the death comes
in such a gruesome manna. Here was
a lady who tried to end the trageuy of
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On behalf of the Socialist Parly, I
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to convey the condolences to the mem-
bcis of the bereaved family.

SHR1 EBRAH1M SU LAI MAN SAI I
(Kozhikode) : Mi. Speaker, Sn. 1 asso-
ciate myself with the sentiments of grid
and sorrow expressed by yourself, the
Prune Minister and other colleagues m
this House on the sad demise of
Shrimatt Mimmata in tragic circumstan-
ces. Wc all know very well that she
was a lady of admirable qualities: she
was dignitied, modest and simple and
served the depressed and the downtrod-
den with earnestness and zeal. Her
passing away is a great loss not only
to the backward classes but to the
country as a whole.

I convey to the bereaved family,
through you, our deep sympathies, and
on my behalf and on behalf of my
Group, the Muslim League, I lequest
you to convey our feelings of sorrow
and grief to the members of the bereav-
ed family.

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( entral) . Mr. Speaker, Sir, we deeply
mourn the death of Shrimuti Mimmata,
a leltgious head of the Satnami sect of
the Hindu community. It is true that
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souls, who have 'always served the com-
m unity, pass away in a tragic manner,
we arc full of nohow and we feel that
trom amongst us wc have lost a burn-
ing fire and light which used to guide
the down-trodden and under-privileged.
She was a great social worker, as men-
tioned by the Pf nnc Minister, and by

you. Sir, and by other hon. Members.
But she was calm and unassuming both
in this House and outside. But within
that calm and unassuming attitude, there
was lire constantly burning against in-
justice, Since she was serving the com-
munity her soul is bound to rest in
peace. I pay my humble tribute and
homage to her.

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MR. SPEAKER : As a mark of res-
pect lo Ivor memory, the House will stand
in silence foi a short while,

Menihas then .stood in silence fot a
a hotiw kite

MR. SPEAKER : In view of the
death of Shnmati Minimata under very
tragic circumstances, which we all heard
with great shock, in view also of the
fact that she is one of the oldest mem-
bers of our Lok Sabfta, associated with
all the Lok Sabhas after 1952, as desir-
ed by many friends and hon. Members
of this House, 1 propose to adjourn the
House now' as a mark of sorrow and
respect lo her memory

AN HON MEMBER : What about
the function m the Central Hall?

MR. SPEAKER , I hat will be theie.
Of course, we ha\e cut out all the other
programmes except the speeches by the
President, Vice-President, Prime Minis-
ter and myself. The cultural pro-
gramme, dinner etc. have been cancelled
fhe programme in the Central Hall for
one hour starting at 1 1 p.m will be
ihere. We will now adjourn till 11 am
on Wednesday

11.25 hrs.

7 he Lok Sahhu then adjoin net! till
Lleven of the Clock on Wednesday ,
August 16, (972 ' Havana 25, 1894

Saka),

CONTENTS

No. 12 — Wednesday , August 16, 1972/Sravana 25 % 1894 (Saka)

Columns

Welcome to Speaker of Fiji b # 1

Oral Answers to Questions —

•Starred Questions Nos. 223 to 228, 231, 232, 234 and 235 . . 1—26

Written Answers to Questions —

Starred Questions Nos. 201 to 222, 229, 230, 233 and 236 to 240 . . 26—46

Unstarrcd Questions Nos. 1980 to 2049, 2051 to 2067, 2069 to 2121* 2123
to 2184, 2186, 2187, 2189 to 2215, 2217 to 2253, 2255 to 2^0 and
2352 to 2379 . , 46—309

Re. Motion for Adjournment * ^ # 309 16

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance —

Reported failure of the Government to complete Farakka Barrage,

as scheduled b # 317 — 43

Re. Presentation of Tamra Patras to Freedom Fighters . . 343 — 44

Re. Business of the House p b 344 — 46

Papers laid on the Table . . 346 — 51

Statement correcting answer to S. Q. No. 14 re. behaviour of Doctors in

Delhi Hospitals towards victims of a car accident . , 351

Shri lima Shankar Dikshit # # 351

Statement re. Crash of an Indian Airlines Fokker Friendship Aircraft

near Palam Airport on 11.8.1972 . . 351 — 53

Dr. Karan Singh . . 352 — 53

Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking over of Management) Bill —

Introduced . . 353 — 54

Statement re. Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking Over of Manage-
ment) Ordinance, 1972 . . 354 — 55

Shri Shahnawaz Khan . . 354

Disturbed Areas (Special Courts) Bill —

Motion to refei to Joint Committee — Adopted . . 355 — 58

Income-tax (Amendment) Bill-

Motion to consider . . 358 — 65

ShriR. V. Bade *• . / 358-61

Shri N. K. P. Salve . . 361—64

Shri K. Baladhandayutham . . 365

Motion re. Separate Central Schemes for Development of Backwaid Areas . , 365—409

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar • . 366 — 73

•The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually
asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

Columns

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ■ • d/o— /»

Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah • • 379

Shri P. K. Deo • • ■ 382—85

Shri Dinesh Chandra Gosw ami •• 87

Shri Jhaikhande Rai 387—92

Shri K. D. Malaviya • • 392—94

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury • • 394—97

Shri D. N. Tiwary • • 399—403

Shri R. R. Sharma •• 403—06

Shri Chiotamani Panigrahi ■ • ^

^alf-an-Hour Discussion —

Normalisation of relations with China • • 20

Shri Samar Guha * * 409—13

Shri Swaran Singh * * ^ ^

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Wednesday, August 16, 1972/Sravana 25, 1894
(Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock .

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair ]

WELCOME TO SPEAKER OF FIJI

MR. SPEAKER : I have great pleasure
in welcoming in the Special Box the Hon’ble
Speaker, Mr. R D. Patel, of the House of
Representatives of Fiji. As you know, Fiji
got its independence the year before last year.
He is the first Speaker of independent Fiji.
He is our distinguished guest. I, on behalf of
you all, again extend to him a very hearty
welcome, and also to Madam Patel who is
also present along with him in the Special
Box I wish him a very happy stay in this
country. This is his old country and we
assure him that we treat him as one of us.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Accumulation of Wealth by Class I and
Class D Officers of the Central Govern-
ment

*223. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) the number of searches and seizures
made in 1970-71 and 1971-72 in respect of
Class I and Class II Officers of the Central
Government about their suspected accumula-
tion of wealth by corrupt means ; and

(b) whether properties and assets of any
of these officers have been confiscated ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b).
Searches and seizures were made in 12 instan-
ces in 1970-71 and in 25 instances in 1971-72
during investigation into allegations of suspec-
ted accumulation of wealth by corrupt means
hy Glass I and Claw II Officers, including

officers of the Public Undertakings under the
Central Government. No property or assets
of the officers concerned were confiscated.

SHRI S. N. MISRA : May I know from
the hon. Minister how many of them were
Class I, how many of them were Class II and
how many of them were from the Public
Undertakings ? Also, I want to know what
was the amount seized from them. Arc the
proceedings pending against them, how many
of them have be<?n removed from service or
what steps have ^een taken against them ?

SHRI RAJ^ NIWAS MIRDHA : The
supplementary is almost a full question.

As regards certain facts the hon. Member
wanted to know, in 1970-71, there were 12
cases of such seizures and out of these 12,
Class I officers were ten and Class II officers
were two. In 1971-72 there were 25 such
instances of which Class I officers were 14 and
Class II officers were 11.

As regards the other information, I would
need notice for that.

SHRI S. N. MISRA : It has been indi-
cated that certain steps were taken and
recoveries were made from public undertak-
ings officers. But that has not been mentio-
ned here in the numbers given by the hon.
Minister.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : As
regards the number of officers from public
undertakings, as I said, I would need notice.

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SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : For a long time
we have been hearing of accumulation of
movable and immovable wealth by the ICS
and IAS officers attached to various States,
and we have brought these things, on several
occasions, to the notice of the Government.
I would like to know whether there are any
instances of ICS and IAS officers accumula-
ting huge wealth by way of holding immova-
ble property and constructing palatial build-
ings not only in Delhi but also in every
Capital city. If such instances have been
brought to the notice of the Government, I
would also like to reveal certain instances.
An ex-I.C.S. officer . .

MR. SPEAKER : Please do not mention
the name.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : He was a Class I
officer and he wa9 involved in the accumula-
tion of wealth.

MR. SPEAKER : I am not going to
allow mention of names of persons who are
not here to defend themselves. .

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : All right. Sir ; I
will not give the names. Are there instances
of ICS and IAS officers accumulating
wealth..

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. You
have put your question.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I think

it is very unfair on the part of the hon.
Member to make such sweeping remarks
about the whole class of officers. Government
has not hesitated to inquire into cases and
even punish persons belonging to ICS and
IAS. The instances have been mentioned in
the House from time to time. If the hon.
Member wants to know of any particular
inquiry or any particular allegation against
any particular officer, I can give him infor-
mation separately.

Song and Drama Division’s Artistes’
Rally

*224. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether about 250 artistes of the
Song and Drama Division of the All-India
Radio led a rally to the Prime Minister’s
residence to press their demands which include
among other things, all the facilities enjoyed
by A. I. R. staff ; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. A number of artistes of
the Song and Drama Division went in a
group to the residence of the Prime Minister
and presented a memorandum in which the
demand referred to was made inter alia. The
Song and Drama Division is, however, not a
part of the All India Radio, but a separate
organisation directly under the Ministry of
Information and Broadcasting.

(b) While the grievances of the ai tistes are
and will continue to be considered sympathe-
tically in discussion with their representatives
the conditions in which they have to function
being quite different from those in which the
artistes of the All India Radio function it may
not be possible to equate the facilities made
available to these two groups of artistes.

SHRI ARJUN SETHI : While answer-
ing my question, the hon. Minister has men-
tioned that the conditions in which they have
to function are different from those of the
AIR artistes. So, I want to know what are
the different conditions in which both the
groups of artistes work and for what reason the
latter group is not entitled to get the benefits.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) a

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When it is said that the conditions are not
the same, it also in some cases means that the
conditions are harder. Therefore, they may
need better consideration because they work
under two different sets of circumstances.
Therefore, it is wrong to equate them and I
think the problems of the staff artistes working
under the Song and Drama Division should
be dealt with separately.

SHRI ARJUN SETHI : I would like to
know whether the Government have received
any complaint from the recognised Groups of
the Song and Drama Division regarding the
reduction of remuneration and insufficient
programmes and programmes in an inconve-
nient manner.

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as the
recognised Groups arc concerned, there arc
complaints tf^at the remuneration paid is not
sufficient which I think does need examina-
tion which we are going to do because it is
very important that the Song and Drama
Division should function and should encou-
rage their registered Groups, particularly, the
professional and amateur Groups functioning
in various parts of the country.

SHRI S. M. BANE RJ EE s I am happy
that the hon. Minister has realised that these
boys and girls who are working in the Song
and Drama Division have to work in great
difficulties because they have to go to the
border areas. So, I would like to know in
case the facilities enjoyed by the AIR are not
applicable to them, whether a committee is to
be set up to review their wages and work-
ing conditions and whether a separate com-
mittee is needed because they are not covered
under the Pay Commission. I would like to
know whether any committee is being set up.

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as pay
and allowances are concerned, originally we
referred it to the Pay Commission. The Pay
Commission has now told ub that it does not
fall within their purview. It is important
that the rationalisation of the pay structure
should be studied and undertaken. It is going
to be done very soon. Their conditions must
be studied within the Song and Drama Division
itself. There are three sets of Groups —

Troops Central, the Border Publicity
Groups and the Family Planning Groups ; and
even with regard to the service structure
there arc differentiations and I am keen that
rationalisation should take place in such a
way that everyone gets equal pay for equal
type of job or the same type of job done.

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SHRI ANANTRAO PATIL : May I
know from the Minister whether the artistes
belonging to the Song and Drama Division
have submitted t*eir demands to the Head of
the Department.

SHRI I. K. tUJRAL : They had sub-
mitted 10 demands out of which on five
demands, action has already been initiated
and the rest are under consideration.

Issue of Licences to Birla, Sahu Jain and
Tatas

*225. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state the nature and
value of licences given to the Birla Group of
Industries, Sahu Jain Group and Tata
Industries, separately, during the last three
years for setting up of new industries and for
expansion of the existing industries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
A statement showing the number of Indust-
rial licences for the setting up of new indus-
tries and effecting substantial expansion issued
to the Birla, Sahujain and Tata Groups dur-
ing the last three years is laid on the Table
of the House. Industrial licences are generally
issued for specific capacities rather than for
specific values.

Statement •

1969

1970

1971

GROUP

N.U. S.E.

N.U. S.E. N.U. S.E.

Birla

— 5

— 1 — 3

Sahujain

Tata

— 1

N. U. : Stands for New Undertaking.

S. E. : Stands for Substantial Expansion.

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MR. SPEAKER : These are all sugges-
tions for action.

SHRI INDRAJ IT GUPTA : It is seen
from the statement that in the course of these
3 years, 9 licences were given to Birlas for
effecting substantial expansion. I would like
to know the npmes of these companies or
undertakings of the Birlas. Is it within the
capacity of the existing plants or is the
; expansion going to be by way of setting up
new plants belonging to the parent company ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : Subs-
tantial expansion means expansion of capa-
city of the established plants ; it it not a new
undertaking. It is not meant for manufacture

of new articles. The names are : Bally Jute
Go. Ltd ; Orient General Industries ; Soorah
Jute mills ; Birla Jute Manufacturing Go.
Ltd ; Saurashtra Chemicals ; Eastern Spinning
Mills ; National Engineering Industry ; pobind
Sugar Mills ; Textile Machinery Corporation.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Substantial
expansion is given for increasing capacity of
the existing plants. This is what the Minister
said. Birla Jute Company to which reference
was made has several plants which have
nothing to do with jute. The Birla Jute
Company has on hand several other progra-
mmes which have nothing to do with jute,
but under a common signboard, of Birla
Jute Company, they make substantial
expansion.

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
The office of Birla Jute Company is located
in 15, India Exchange Place, Calcutta.

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : There have been expansions in jute
manufactuiing, particularly jute carpet-back-
ing cloth for purposes of export. There has
been expansion of these carpetbacking plants.

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SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM : When
licences are extended, more responsibilities
and obligations are also imposed. I shall be
grateful if you could kindly ask the hon.
Minister to reply.

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SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
The hon. Minister has been pleased to say
and it is quite evident from the statement
laid on the Table of the House also that
these licences are only for substantial expan-
sion ; that means that since licences have
been granted for substantial expansion of the
existing units, they would increase the share of
those firms in the total product. That means,
again, concentration of economic power or
the increase of the monopoly element of that
firm. How does Government account for this
departure from policy ?

SHRI G. SUBRAMANIAM : There is
the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices
Act, and the Monopolies Commission goes
into it. Whenevei the company is a dominant
company manufacturing certain articles to a
certain extent, expansion or new unit is not
allowed to them. But in these cases they are
not dominant producers.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
My question has not been answered. If you
increase the ihare of a firm in the total
product, that means the increase of the mono-
poly element of that fiim in that product.
That is the main point.

SHRI G. SUBRAMANIAM : The mono-
poly element would come in only if they are
the dominant producers. There are other
producers also, and, therefore, it will not
become a monopoly. But I do agree that this
will increase their production, but that is
taken care of. It is only for specific reasons,
namely for increasing the export, for example,
of jute carpet backing cloth which is intended
mainly for export, that we had to allow it
even though it may be a bigger house.

Proposal for Setting up of Film Council

*226. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM i Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased

to state :

(a) whether the Centre had sought Chief
Ministers' views on the proposal to set up a
Film Council ;

(b) whether the Chief Ministers have
expressed their views, if so, the nature there-
of ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Replies from some States/Union
Territories have been received. They have
generally welcomed the idea of setting up the
Film Council. *

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM x
May I know whether the Chief Minister of
Tamil Nadu has said in a public announce-
ment that the Centre is not in favour of the
formation of the Film Council ? Is there
any substance in his apprehension ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) :
No. So far as I am concerned, so fai as our
information goes, the Chief Minister has
favoured the idea of setting up of the Film
Council.

SHRI S. A. MURUGAi^ANTHAM :
My question was different. . . .

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : It has not been
brought to my notice that the Chief Minister
is under the impression that we are not
interested in setting up the Film Council. I
have already talked to the Chief Minister
himself, and the Chief Minister knows my
views about it.

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM :
How long will it take to decide on the for-
mation of the Council by the Centre?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : We are keen to
do it very quickly, and I hope that it will be
done very soon.

SHRI N. K. SANGH1 : The formation
o I the Council has been awaited for such a
long time. Could the hon. Minister give an
idea to the House of the type of formation or

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AUGUST 16, 1972

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composition of this Council, and whether it
will include politicians, and if so, what
percentage of them will be politicians, and
whether there will be representatives from the
film industry and if so, how many ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : My hon. friend
would recall that I had detailed discussions
with him and with his associations, and he
knows my views about it. But I can assure
him of one thing, namely that there is no
intention to inject any politicians into the
Film Council.

AN. HON. MEMBER : What about the
Chief Minister of Madras ? He is both a
politician and an actor also ?

DR. RANEN SEN : Is it a fact that the
film producers of Eastern India wanted a
separate film council for die eastern part of

India and if so, what is the reaction of the

0 ,

Government ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL :*Thc film pro-
ducer have been having different types of
views from time to time. At one stage
producers felt that there could be a separate
council for producers only. Later on it was
felt that perhaps zonalisation of that would
be better But the idea of a film council is
not to have producers only ; in the Film
Council all interests concerned with film
should be represented.

Lack of Full Utilisation of Capacity in
Small Sector due to Paucity of Funds

*227. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO :

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH .

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DE VELOPM ENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether small scale industries in the
country could not fully utilise their produc-
tion capacities and increase their level of
production, even after the Bank Nationaliza-
tion on account of paucity of funds and lack
of Industiial credits ; and

(b) if so, the steps Government propose
to take in this regard ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). Following the Bank Nationalisa-
tion there has been an increase in the flow
of funds to the SSI Sector os also increase in
production. However, Government will always

endeavour to increase the tempo of investment
and production in this sector to exploit its
production to its fullest capacity.

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May
I know whether recently a survey was conduc-
ted by 21 universities and premier research
and academic institutions in the country for
the banking commission, and if so whether
the purpose of the survey was to study the
credit needs and the problems of small scale
industrial units and small artisans ? Have the
Government examined the survey report and
what steps have been taken or are likely to
be taken to remove the difficulticf as stated
in the survey report and how far are the
Government ready to solve the problem ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : I
am not aware of any such survey report.
However, we have generally been examining
the problems of the small scale sector and
from time to time we have been taking them
up with the concerned department of the
Government.

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : Is it a
fact that mo»t of the sin ill-scale industries in
Orissa have not been provided with sufficient
funds and so they are not in a position to
fulfil the conditions imposed by the nationalised
banks, commercial banks and co-opcratives
and are thus forced to borrow fiom non-
institutional agencies ? If so may I know
whether most of the complaints that have
been made to the Centre are in regard to
discrimination shown to the small- scale in-
dustries units in Orissa ? How far have those
complaints been looked into and what steps
are being taken by the Centre to encourage
the small-scale industries units in the State 7

MR. SPEAKER : Instead of asking
questions, he is giving information.

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : We
have not received any complaint from the
Government of Orissa.

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SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : What
was the total amount advanced by nationalised
banks in Bihar to small-scale entrepreneurs
before nationalisation and what is the amount
advanced after nationalisation? Is the Minister
aware of the wide-scale corruption prevailing
among the employees of nationalised banks in
Bihar because of this the small-scale entrepre-
neurs are finding it difficult to approach them?

•

MR. SPEAKER : It is a general ques-
tion which has been put. If the Minister has
got this specific information, I have no
objection. He says he has no information.

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : The
total amount of advances given to small-scale
entrepreneurs in Bihar before nationalisation
and the amount sanctioned since then — that
is the information which the Minister ought
to give. I do not know whether he is aware
of the prevalence of corruption on a wide
scale.

MR. SPEAKER : You are asking a
specific question. The hon. Minister can
supply that information to you later on.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
What percentage of the total requirements of
raw material, particularly in respect of steel,
is being met at the present moment ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : The
House is aware that there is a shortage of steel
but we have made certain special allocations to
the small-scale sector. It has recently come to
our notice that though wc had made special
allocations, some of the State Industrial
Development corporations are not in a
position to lift that steel and, therefore, it has
created difficulties.

Telephone connections to War Heroes*
dependents on priority basis

-4"

*228. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM
KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the dependents of war heroes

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have been included in the priority category
for giving telephone connections ;

(b) whether his Ministry has directed the
General Manager of Telephone Districts not
to insist on “Own Your Telephone” deposits
from the war widows and other dependents of
those killed in action ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
and (b). Yes. Dependents of officers and
jawans killed in the recent war with Pakistan
are provided telephone connections without
OYT deposit on priority basis by the Heads
of Circles/Districts without reference to the
Telephone Advisory Committee when such
demands are received by the Department
through the Ministry of Defence.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA •, I compliment
the minister on his efficiency, but may I
know whether the system of “Own Your
Telephone” and asking for a deposit is out
moded, which creates all sorts of problems
not only to the ordinary citizens but also to
the war heroes and their dependents to get
telephone ? May I know whether such com-
plaints from war widows regarding the
difficulties in the procedure for getting a
telephone have been received ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : So far as
the war widows are concerned, they are not
required to give any deposit. So far as
others arc concerned, we will have the
account settled some other time.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : May I know
whether there are instances where the Defence
Ministry themselves referred certain cases of
war widows for telephones which have been
rejected by certain district telephone officers
and if so, what action will be taken against
such officers ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : I have not
received any such complaint. Should such a
complaint come, I am sure adequate action
will be taken to the satisfaction of the hon.
member.

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR :
Is it essential that applications for such
telephones should come through the Defence
Ministry or can they come through the
District Magistrates to the department con-
cerned ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : I have no
objection to this arrangement also, but
normally the Defence Ministry has been
routing them to us.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am happy
that the minister has issued instructions that
war-widows and dependents should be given
telephones. May I stretch it a bit and ask
whether similar concessions will be given to
the national heroes who were given awards
yesterday ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: This is a
suggestion for action. We will certainly keep
that in mind.

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SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : Even if
an application is duly certified by the District
Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen’s Board or the
District Magistrate that the applicant is a
direct dependent of a war hero, certainly they
will be given similar concession

Alleged Manipulation in Telephone Bills

*231. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether any action was taken against
the authorities who in collusion with subs-
cribers are said to have defrauded Govern-
ment of a few lakhs of rupees by manipula-
ting the bill for phone calls ; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes Sir. Prima facie such a case has been
established.

(b) One clerk, one Engineering Super-
visor (Phones) and one Assistant Engineer
(Phones) have been placed under suspension.
The matter is under investigation and
necessary action is being initiated against
officials found responsible for the situation.

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Oral Answers

SRAVANA 23, 1894 (SAJTA)

Oral Answers

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SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : If the
working of the telephones is bad, the working
of the accounts department is still worse.
Not only manipulation is going on but some
of us have received bills which we need not
pay at all. For instance, 1 have received a
bill for Rs. 1,700 which is wrong billing.
Though 1 have written to the department, I
have not received any reply so far. This
is going on for years. What action has been
taken to check these irregularities ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: As I said
it is not the accounts department but the
Assistant Engineer in charge of each exchange
who is responsible for the irregularities.
Every quarter the Assistant Engineer sends
to the accounts department a list of the
number of calls made by each number.
The accounts department calculate as to how
much it costs. It is the Assistant Engineer,
the Engineering Supervisor and the meter
reader who between themselves should be
able to check and give the correct reading.

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Oral Answers

This has not happened. Therefore, when the
matter came to our notice in February, 1972
ixl relation to two or three cases, we had a
whole series of checks made in every exchange
and we have gone back up to 1969 in some
and in other cases up to 1966, where we
have found certain numbers which have not
paid the bills that were due from them
because of the mistake committed by the
Assistant Engineer, Engineering Supervisor
and the meter reader.

SHRI A. P. SHARMA : Now it has
been established that there js excess billing
and wrong billing going on in a large num-
ber of cases. Therefore, I would like to know
what steps are being taken to see that wrong
billing does not take place in future ? I want
to know what is the relief given in those
cases where there has been excess billing
or wrong billing ?

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we are concerned with uijder-billing. Here
is a case where bills have not been sent to
the people when due. But so far as excess
billing and other things are concerned, the
Committee on Petitions has made recommen-
dations that we should go into the question
of accounts kept by the Delhi Telephones.
We had decided to appoint such a com-
mitee. Meanwhile, the Estimates Committee
has also come into the picture. We have
requested the Estimates Committee to permit
us to go ahead with the committee as sug-
gested by the Petitions Committee.

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Oral Answers

SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers

SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : Has the
Government made any efforts to develop a
meter which could be installed with the tele-
phone of the subscriber so that these alleged
complaints are eliminated ? Secondly, it has
been said that they have to identify the
problem. May I know how long will they
take to solve it ?

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : So far ar
the meter is concerned, our telephone re-
search cell has produced one charge-indicator
which we call S. T. D. meter. But that is
still under field test and I am not sure
whether we have really succeeded in making
one. However, it has been our constant
effort to find out if we could produce a
meter which could be installed in the subs-
criber’s permises, and as soon as it is ready,
it shall certainly be done.

Allegation against Chairman National
Institute of Designs, Ahmedabad by Vice-
Admiral Soman

*232. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Vice-Admiral Soman, who
was recently dismissed from the Director-
ship of the National Institute of Designs in
Ahmedabad, has made certain serious allega-
tions against the Chairman of the Governing
Body of the Institute ;

(b) whether Government have made
any investigation into these allegations ;

(d) the action taken thereon ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) to (d). The services of Vice-Admiral B. S.
Soman as Executive Director of the National
Institute of Design, Ahmedabad were termi-
nated with effect from 3rd Jnly, 1972 in
accordance with the conditions of his
appointment. Certain allegations subsequently
made by him regarding the working of the
Institute, which' appeared in the Press, have
come to the notice of the Government. He
has also recently furnished Government with
certain further allegations. All these are
being examined.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I would
like to know whether it it is a fact that the

Executive Director of this Institute is ap-
pointed by the Governing Council and if
that is so, whether Government are aware
of the fact that, in the case Admiral Soman,
the decision to terminate his services was
taken in a meeting of the Governing Coun-
cil in which out of eight members four were
absent, one was opposed to the decision of
termination and only two of the members
and the Chairman were in favour of sacking
him. Out of eight members, three were in
favour, one was against and four were ab-
sent. Does the Government consider it cor-
rect or regular for a Governing Council to
take a decision in this fashion terminating
the services of the Executive Director who is
the main executive of the Institute ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY * (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : There t are rules governing the
meeting and the quorum required. If those
conditions are satisfied, legally it is a cor-
rect decision. But I do agree, it looks a litde
bit anomalous. All these things are now
under examination. We will go into it fully
and when the*e matters are investigated, if
necessary, it will be provided to the mem-
ber for information.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I would
like to know whether this inquiry or investi-
gation is going to be done departmentally or
whether any particular committee has been
set up, because I understand that quite a
large sum of money by way of grants to this
Institute has been given by the Government.
I would also like to know from him whether,
in the complaints that have been received,
this is also there that a particular industria-
list’s family of Ahmedabad which is more
or less controlling this Institute is getting
many of their own concerns earn profits and
commissions by virtue of work which is given
to them by this Institute. Their own fac-
tories and concerns are making profit out of
it. I would like to know whether this is the
way Government’s grants are to be utilised.
Who is to do the inquiry and investigation ?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : I intend
asking a high official to look into it, and if
further investigations are necessary, we shall
certainly consider it. But the 'straight factor
here is this. Admiral Soman himself was
appointed on 19-10-1970. He was in position
till 3-7-1972. Till he was relieved, we have
not received any repost from him or any
complaint from him. It is only after he was

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Oral Answers

discharged that he has made all the com-
plaints and allegations. Therefore, it is a
matter which will have to be looked into
carefully.

SHRI PILOO MODY : Quite apart
from the lights or wrongs in this matter
or what the complaints of individuals
may be, there is a certain pci formance which
this National Institute of Design is supposed
to have given. Over so many years crores
of rupees have been spent and the outcome,
the result, has been rather disastrous, to say
the least. I wnat to know whether Govern-
ment is agitated over this matter about the
results versus investment and whether a full
inquiry into the complete working and the
management of the Institute is contemplated
so that, in case the management has been
found wanting, the management may be
changed. The idea is very good, money has
been spent, equipment is there, but thcic is
no lesult • •

SHRI C. SUBRAM AM AM : I am
grateful to the hon. Member for the very
valuable suggestions he has made. We will
certainly go info the entire working of this
institute.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I think Admiral
Soman has rendered service for a substantial
period in the Indian Navy. I want to know
whether there is anything on the record of
his past performance in the Navy to show
that these allegations are of a motivated
nature or any aspersions can be cast on
Admiral Soman.

SHRI C*. SUBR\MAM\M : I am not
casting any aspersions I have placed the
facts. As long as he was associated with the
Institute, no complaint has come and later
on, he has made 'Therefore, this is a matter
which requires full investigation. Certainly,

I do not know his performance in the Navy
blit I am sure he might have had an admira-
ble record. So, that is not a question under
consideration.

SHRI PILOO MODY : All Admirals are
admirable.

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Narcndra Singh-
absent. •

Proposed T. V. Station daring Fourth Five
Year Plan

*234. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI G. Y. KIUSHNAN :

Will the Minister of INFORMATION

AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of T. V. Stations proposed
to be established during the current Fourth
Five Year plan ; and

(b) the location, State-wise, where they
are going to be commissioned ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Six.

(b) Maharashtra

J & K
Punjab
West Bengal
U. P.

Tamil Nadu

— Bombay/Poona
— Srinagar
— Amritsar
— Calcutta
— Lucknow/Kanpur
— Madras

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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAJCA)

Written Answers

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : Our TV policy
is that wc have been expanding the TV cove-
rage slowly. As my colleague has already put
to you, in some States it is being started this
year. Four metropolitan cities will get cover-
ed in the Fourth Plan and then we are setting
up in Srinagar and Punjab for obvious reasons.
The other State capitals we will begin covering
in the Fifth Plan.

SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH : Is there
any proposal before the Government to set up
a relay station so that the programmes tele-
cast from Delhi or from Mussoorie can be
seen in places like Simla ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : We are at the
moment trying to expand the programme as
far as possible by setting up relay stations. One
such proposal is to have a relay station at
Musfoorie which would cover the Western UP
as well as some parts of Haryana. We always
explore the possibility of setting up relay
stations so that the TV programmes can be
seen as extensively as possible. I am trying
to explore whether it is possible to cover Simla
also Some parts of Simla even now can get.

SOME 1 ION. MEMBERS

MR. SPEAKER . No, please.

SHRI N. K P. SALVE : The whole
central area is left.

SHRI S. M. RANERJEE : What about
Kanpur 7 Kanpur has always sulTered.

MR. SPEAKER : Shn Shankar Dayal
Singh

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WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Conference of^State Ministers of Housing

*201. SHRI SHRIK1SHAN MODI :

SHR*I SHASHI BHUSHAN :

Will ihe Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Government has
suggested that the State Governments should
take immediate steps for setting up develop-
ment authorities in major towns ;

(b) whether this subject was discussed at
a Conference of State Ministers of Housing
held in Delhi in the 2nd week of July, 1972 ,
and

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK-
SHIT) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

Statement

The Confeiencc of State Ministers of
Housing, Town Planning ancl Urban Deve-
lopment held in New Delhi in July, 1972 con-
sidered various questions relating to housing
and urban development policy, implementa-
tion of the three Central sector housing
schemes, terms and conditions of loans granted
by HUDCO, and preparation and enforcement
of regional and Master Plans, etc., and made

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Written Answers

the following major recommendations :

(i) All uibanisable land should be socia-
lised so that the Government can have
effective con'iol over land-use, and can
also recover unearned increments in
the value of such lands for the benefit
of the community.

(u) High priority should be given to hous-
ing and it should be reflected in larger
financial allocations made for imple-
mentation of various housing program-
mes. An attempt should be made to
provide an outlay of the Older of
atleast Rs. 500 crures per annum at
the Central and State levels during
the Filth Flan period to meet the
backlog and current requirements of
bousing for the lower income groups,

(ni) 25% of the provisions made under
each of the two new central sector
schemes, viz , (a) Scheme for Provision
of House-sites to LandGss Workers in
Rural \reas (hi Scheme foi Environ-
mental Improvement of Slums should
be lelcased to the State Governments
immediately on receipt of their pro-
ject proposals piovidtd they have been
formulated in conformity with the
Scheme in order to enable them to go
ahead with the piojects.

(iv) Administrative /technical machinery,

both at the Ccntic and in the States,
should be suitably strengthened and
geared to the task of speedy implemen-
tation of the schemes.

(\) Legislation on Laud reforms and con-
ferment of home-stead rights on those
landless workers who are in occupa-
tion of land in the rural areas as
house-sites, should be tied up with
the Scheme foi Provision of House-
sites to Landless Workers in Rural
Areas. To reduce the cost of acquisi-
tion of land under this Scheme, Land
Acquisition Acts of Central and State
Governments should be amended in
the light of the 25th Amendment to
the Constitution.

(vi) The Scheme, for Environmental Im-
provement of Slum Areas is restricted
to slums not earmarked for clearance
during the next 10 years. This period
is too long and should be reduced to
5 years. The scope of the scheme
should also be extended to States

where no city or town is at piesent
coveted by the Scheme to enable them
to carry out improvements in slums
in their capital city (or any other city
considered important by them).

(vii) To resolve procedural and other diffi-
culties in the implementation of the
Subsidised Housing Scheme for Plan-
tation Workers, two regional meetings
should be held towards the end of
September, 1972 — one at Darjeeling for
the Eastern Region and the other at
Ooty for the Southern Region. The
State Governments should also be
given powers under this Scheme to
sanction projects which involve the
grant of subsidy alone (without loins)
to the Planters.

(viii) HUDGO should be piovidcd with a
substantial portion of its resources
repayable over a period not less than
25 years, m order to fulfil the social
and pressing need ot housing for the
economically weaker sections of the
society

(ix) The State Governrmnts should take
immediate action to set up statutory
urban development authorities for their
large and growing towns.

(x) The Stale Govcinmt nts should chaw
up Master Plans for all cities, and
take urgent action to enact com pi o
hensivc town planning legislation so
that the Master Plans can be legally
(and adequately) enforced.

(xi) The State Planning Departments
should prepare comprehensive city
development programmes for impor-
tant cities in their States, with special
emphasis on investments of a self-
generating type, and ensure their
integration with the State Five Year
Plans for implementation during Fifth
Plan period.

Community Development Blocks without
Primary Health Centres and without
Doctors

*202. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Community Develop-
ment Blocks in India, State-wise ;

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(b) the number of Community Develop-
ment Blocks where no Primary Centres have
been established and number of Community
Development Blocks with Primary Health
Centres where no doctors have been provided.
State-wise ; and

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK-
SHIT) : (a) to (c). A statement is laid on
the Tabic of the Sabha. [Placed in Library .
See No. LT— 3375/72]

Conditions of Rice Seized at Bitragunta
Station during 1971

*203 SIIRI D\SARATHA DEB : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
about 24,000 bags of ri< e, seized at Bitragunta
Railway Station (Andhra) last year is rotting
in the godown ; and

(b) whether that rice still remains fit for
human < onsurnption ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNAS AIIEIl P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
10,200 bags of rice seized by the Slate Govern-
ment of Vndhra Pradesh on 15 7 71 are lying
at Bitragunta. The State Government have
reported that the bulk of the lots are well
within the limits of consumable condition
needing only winnowing and cleaning.

Steps to Increase Food Production due
to Shortfall during 1971-72

*204. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :

DR. MAHIPATRAY MEHTA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state the steps taken by Govern-
ment to improve the production of foodgrains
which declined m 1971-72 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAIIEB P. SHINDE) : Firm estimates
of foodgrains production in 1971-72 are not
yet available. Government have, however,
taken various measures to increase the produc-
tion of foodgrains in the country. These
include (i) extension of area under the high-
yielding varieties programme, (ii) bunging
additional area under multiple cropping

programme, (lii) starting of Central sector
scheme of minikit programme oi rice, (iv)
launching of Centrally sponsored scheme for
quick multiplication of seeds and demonstra-
tions of newly evolved varieties of pulses,
(v) intensive development of irrigation parti-
cularly ground water resources, (vi) adequate
and timely supply of inputs like seeds, ferti-
lisers and credit and (vii) surveillance of
pests and diseases and well organised plant
protection measuies. In addition, a massive
rabi production programme is contemplated
for the ensuing rabi season.

Rice lying with Millers of Krishna and
West Godavari District of Andhra
Pradesh

*205. SHRI NAVAL KISHORE
SHARMA :

SHRI* SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE lie
pleased to state*:

(a) whether about 18000 tons of boiled
rice is lying with the millers al Krishna and
West Godavari District of Andhra Pradesh ;

(b) if so, whether the rice is about to be
destioyrd and the millers and other concerned
individuals arc being put to loss ; and

(c) the steps being taken by the Govern-
ment of India to put a check on adulteration
of this rice with superior quality rice in the
country, in case this rice is icmovcd from
there ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) No, Sir.

(c) The iclcvant provisions of law relating
to the marketing of ticc as fit lor human
consump tion will also apply to these stocks
of rirc.

Pay Scale of Binders working in National
Museum, Archaeological Department,
National Archives and Government of

India Press
%

*206. SHRI G. K. C.HANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the pav scale of Binders working in
the (i) National Museum (ii) Archaeological
Department (iii) National Archives and (iv)
Government of India Press New Delhi ; and

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(b) the steps being taken to upgrade the
pay scale of the Binders in the National Archi-
ves, where work is of superior and fine
quality ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE

(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) s (a) A state-
ment indicating the existing scales of Binders
is laid on the Table of the Sabha.

(b) The Third Pay Commission is seized
of the matter. Decision will be taken in the
light of its recommendation.

Statement

S.No. Name of the Office Designation of the post Scale of Pay

1 . National Museum

Book Binder

2 .

Archaeological Survey of India (i) Book Binder

(ii) Junior Book Binder

National Archives Binder

Government of Indfa Press, (i) Binder Grade I
New Delhi.

(ii) Binder Grade II

Rs. 130-5-160-8-200-
EB-8-256-EB-8-
280-10-300.

Rs. 125-3-131-4-163-
EB-4- 175-5- 180.
Rs. 80-1-85-2-95-EB-
3-1 10.

Rs. 100-3-130.

Rs. 150-5-180.

Rs. 110-3-131-4-143-
EB-4-155.

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Breakdown of D.T.G* Basra

*206. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has

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been drawn to the news-item appearing in the
Indian Express dated 20th July* 1972 that
over ten per cent of D. T. C. buses on Delhi
roads break-down every day ;

(b) whether Government have inquired
into the high percentage of daily break-downs
and also the steps taken to remedy the
matter ; and

(c) whether Government have tried to
tackle thi problem of missing trips by D. T. C.
buses and to what extent Government’s efforts
have been successful ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) t
fa) Yes, Sir. The fact, however, is that,
whereas the percentage of break-downs per
clay in relation to the number of buses on
road was 2G.‘> in October, 1971, it is 25 4
per day now. Further, the new management
of the D« lhi Transport Corporation took over
buses from the I) T. U. on 3 11. 71,
out of which ncaily 524 were more than
eight years old

(b) The Delhi Tiansport Corporation is
taking steps to reduce the rate of breakdowns
l>\ pressing new and irnovated buses into
sc? vice and scrapping the over-aged ones and
constructing new depots to improve the stand-
aid of in.untc nnner ol buses

(r) Yes, Sir. The percentage of trips
missed has been brought down from 31.6 in
October. 1971 to 21.1 current!).

Showing of J. and K. as a Separate
Country in «X* Standard Text Book in
Mysore State

*209. SHRI DHXRAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the Ministci of EDUCA-
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether in the State of Mysore in the
r X' Standard text book, Jammu and Kashmir
has been shown separate country in the
maps ; and

(l>) if so, the reaction of Central Govern-
ment thereto ?

THE MINIS! ER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
Necessary information is being collected and
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha m soon
as possible.

Acquisition of Coastal Vessels

*210. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is an urgent need to
acquire small coastal vessels to develop coastal
shipping ;

(b) if so, the number of such vessels
required ; and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) A Sub-Qpmmittee of the National
Shipping Board, which is a statutory body, is
examining the c|uestion of the tonnage requ-
ired to meet our coastal requirements.

(c) Orders for 10 dry cargo vessels of a
total of about 1,20,000 GRT and for 5 coastal
tankers of about 63,000 GRT have been
placed abroad.

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Students’ Representation on Governing
Bodies of Universities

*212. SHRI K. B A L ADH AN DAY U -
TIIAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state 3

(a) whether the proposal to give represen-
tation to students in the governing bodies of
the Universities has not yet been implemen-
ted ; and

(b) if so, the reasons for the delay in
implementing the proposal ?

THE MINISTER OF, EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
The recommendations made by the Gajendra-
gadkar Committee in its report on Governance
of the Universities, including those relating to
Student’s participation in University Adminis-
tration, have been accepted in principle by
the University Grants Commission and the
Central Government. The implementation of
some of these recommendations would require
amendment of the Acts of the Universities
and further action in this regard is to be
taken by State Governments and the Central
Government. So far as the Central Govern-
ment is concerned, these recommendations
have already been taken into account while
amending the Aligarh Muslim University Act.
Similar action will be taken while formulating
comprehensive legislative proposals of other
Central Universities.

The University Grants Commission have
forwarded the report to the Universities. It is
hoped that the Universities will take action
on those aspects of participation which fall
within their powers.

Complaints regarding Irregular Supply

of Seeds and Fertilizers to States

*213. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints from certain States regarding
irregular supply of seeds and chemical ferti-
lizers to farmers ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in
this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). Yes,
Sir. Complaints have been received from
some States regarding inadequate supply of
seeds and chemical fertilisers to farmers.

Regarding seeds, the States Government
arrange for the pioduction of the required
quantities of seeds ; and these efforts arc
supplemented by the National Seeds Corpora-
tion, Tarai Development Corporation and
State Farms Corporation of India. A com-
plaint was received from the State Govern-
ment of West Bengal regarding non-supply
of seeds of paddy variety IET 1991 by the
National Seeds Corporation and this is being
investigated.

Regarding fertilisers, coordinated supply
plans are diawn up onre in six months by the
Government of India, in consultation with the
Stale Governments and domestic manufac-
turers. The Central Government ai ranges for
import of fertilisers to cover the deficits in
indigenous production. However, it is for the
State Governments to organise distribution of
imported fertilisers in such manner as they
deem necessary for timely supply to farmers.

Owing to difficulties encountered by indi-
genous factories and also difficulties in the
import of fertilisers, the supply position this
year has not been satisfactory. While every
effort is bring made to increase indigenous
production and import availabilities, the foll-
owing measures have been taken to ensure
just and equitable distribution of available
stocks amongst the States : —

(i) An order has been promulgated under
the Essential Commodities Act, making it
obligatory for the manufacturers to supply
quantities of fertilisers to the States, as com*
mitted by them during the Zonal Conferences.
This will ensure that the feitilisers are not
sold only in a few pockets in the country and
that all the States get the supplies on an
equitable basis.

(ii) Orders have also been passed under
the Fertiliser Control order, compelling the
manufacturers to report to the Central and
State Governments every month the actual
supplies made by them and also the proposed
to be supplied. This will enable States to
keep a watch on the movement of stocks.

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(iii) Government have taken over 30%
of the Ammonium Sulphate produced within
the country to be distributed through State
agencies like cooperatives Agro-Industries
Corporations etc. for priority crops and area*.

(iv) The States have been advised to pre-
pare a careful inventory of stocks available in
godowns of cooperatives and retail dealers, to
enable optimum utilisation of the available
fertilisers.

(v) The manufacturei s have been asked
to channel their output through cooperative
organisations, in order to minimise the chance
of mal-practices.

Estimates of Production of foodg rains
during 1971-72

*214. SI 1RI SI I YAM NANDAN MISHRA:
Will the Minister ol AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) tin number of estimates of the pro-
duction of foodgiains made during a year ;

(b) the periods during which they are
made available to the Government ; and

HIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAllLll P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
Estimates of production of foodgrains based
on complete enumeration of area and results
of crop cutting experiments foi yields are
made only once m a year. 'These estimates
gcneiallv become available aftei the close of
the agricultural var, i e. some tune in July-
August. For 1971-72, these estimates are still
being compiled.

Rise in price of fertiliser and its effect
on grain production

*215. SHRI J IAR I SINGH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the unusual rising of pi ices of the fertilisers in
the country ;

(b) if so, the causes thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI

ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
There is a statutory price control on th<
retail prices of three important fertilisers
which cover more than about 60% of the
consumption in the country, namely Urea,
Ammonium Sulphate and C.A.N. Sale of
these fertilisers whether of imported origin or
domestically manufactured, at prices exceed-
ing the statutory levels is an offence under
the Fertiliser (Control) Order.

There is no control on the prices of other
fertilisers, but the price levels tend to conform
to the price structure of imported fertilisers,
which are channelised through the State
Governments and public agencies at fair
prices. However it is likely that some elements
arc taking advantage of the present difficult
supply position, and charging high prices.
The State Governments have been asked to
exercise strict vigilance and take action where
such instances come to notice.

There has been no unusual rise in prices
of fertilisers in the Country. The prices of
all imported and domestically manufactured
fertilisers had to be increased in March, 1972
only to absoib the duty on fertilisers made in
the budget proposals for 1972-73. Apart from
this, there has been no increase in the price
of imported fertilisers during the past three
years. On the other hand, the prices of both
imported and domestically manufactured
fertilise! s were reduced marginally in respect
of Ammonium Sulphate by Rs. 10/- per tonne
with effect from 5.8.69, Munate of Potash by
Rs. 10 per tonne with effect from 1.1.71 and
Urea by Rs. 20/- per tonne w.e.f. 4.3.71. In
fact, the price of imported Ammonium Sul-
phate (coloured or powdery vaiicty) was
reduced by Rs. 100/- per tonne during the
year 1969-70.

(c) The increase in fertiliser prices as
indicated above has not affected adversely the
grain production in the country. On the
other hand, scientific use of fertilisers is a
profitable proposition considering their pro-
ductivity and incentive prices of Agricultural
produce. The increase in fertiliser use in the
last three years has been respectively 13%,
14% and 22%.

Bridge in Seven Hours

*216. SIIRI S. A. MURUG\NAN-
THAM : Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been drawn to the news item appeared in

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‘ Times of India' dated 8th July, 1972
captioned ‘Bridge in seven hours’ ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) It is essentially a form of unit type
ol bridging in steel designed, patented and
fabricated by Bhagat Engineering Co , Private
Ltd , Bombay.

(c) In view of the claims made by the
firm with regard to the* cost and the time
required for construction, Government hopes
that the claim made by the firm will receive
due consideration from the g authorities con-
cerned when enquiries are floated for works
involving use of the type of structure evolved
by them.

Cheap House by N.B.O.

*217. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
M \NDAL : Will the Minister of WORKS
AND HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India have
received a suggestion from National Building
Organisation regai ding the cost at which a
cheap house can be constructed in Delhi ;

(b) if so, the salient features of the pro-
posals : and

(f ) whether the suggestion has since bern
examim d by Government and if so, with what
results ?

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSIin ) : (a) to (c) Government of India
have not received any suggestion from the
National Buildings Organisation regarding
a design for a cheap house specifically for
Delhi However, the National Buildings
Organisation has prepared a design and the
specifications for single storeyed low cost
housing This provides for units of three
tenements each and each unit is estimated to
cost Rs 14,283 exclusive of the cost of land.
Government are considering a proposal to
Construct a unit of this design and specifica-
tions with a view to testing the design.

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Minimum Standards for Sky Scrappers
in Connaught Place, New Delhi

*219 SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
M \L1K .

SHRI R KM PR VKUSII :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the New Delhi Redevelop-
ment Advisory Committee has n < omintnded
some measures and minimum standards for
sky sciappcts in and around Connaughl
Place area ; and

(b) if so, its main rrromme ndations and
Government’s decision tint eon ■*

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH \M> FAMILY
PLANNINC; (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) The Committer has not yet
submitted its report to Government.

(b) Does not arise.

Scarcity of Sugar in States

*220. SHRI Y. KSWARA REDDY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether scarcity of sugar has been

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reported from some States ; and

(b) if so, the steps Government have
taken to ensure adequate supply of sugar in
all parts of the country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) On account of the
fall in production of sugar this year, there is
a general shortage of it. However, within the
limits of the availability, regular monthly
releases of sugar are being made for distribu-
tion to domestic consumers through controlled
channels and for sale in the open market.
There has been some delay and dislocation
during July, 1972, in the supply of levy sugar
to a few of the States as a result of the
interim orders obtained by some factories in
the Supreme Court and the various High
Courts restraining the Government from
infoicing the Sugar (Price Determination)
Ordei, 1972. All the same, 90.3% of the
release quota of levy sugar has been lifted
fiom factories in July, 1972.

(h) Action has been initiated to have the
decisions of the Courts expedited. In order to
ensure an unintetruptid supply of sugar to
all parts ol the country, instructions have been
issued to the State Governments to strengthen
and streamline the distribution machinery
and more particularly to ensure that the
limits on holding of stocks by dealers, and on
sale and despatch by factories are not
contravened.

Leakage of Revenue in Trunk Dialling

*221 STIR I NIHAR LASKAR : Will the
Mimstet of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether enquiry has revealed that
there was a large leakage of revenue in the
Subset iber Trunk Dialling calls , and

(b) if so, the eflbits being made to reco-
ver the bills fiom such subscribers who got de-
flated bills ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H, N. BAHUGUNA): (a)
Enquiries completed so far have revealed that
ci rtain subscribt rs have not been fully billed.
Further enquiries however are still under way.

(1>) Supplementary bills in relation to
subscribers so far identified for having not
been fully charged, are being issued.

Reduction of Licensed Capacity in Tape
Recorder Industry

*222. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to be
state:

(a) whether Government have decided to
reduce the licensed capacity in the tape recor-
der industry by 40 per cent ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) No Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Dalton Ganj-Patna Telephone Lines Inactive

*229. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI:
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
he pleased to state :

(a) whether the Telephone line between
Dalton Ganj and Patna (Bihar) is in an inac-
tive position and is being used by the people
only 4 days a week ; and

(b) if so, the leasons therefoi ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) No
Sir.

(b) The question does not arise.

P. & T. Colony Kidwaipuri, Patna

*230. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state:

(a) the progress of the construction of
Pints and Telegraphs building at Patna in the
Posts and Telegraphs Colony Kidwaipuri ; and

(b) whether Government propose to open
any Central School in that building?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a)
The construction of Primary School cum com-
munity hall building in P. & T. Colony, Kid-
waipuri, in Patna is in progress.

(b) No Sir.

Stolen Mall Found in Paddy Fields

*233. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : Will
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether 1,000 letteis, stolen from mail
bags at Navakkal, near Ernakulam, were found

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in the paddy field if so, whether the culprits
have been traced ;

(b) the action taken by Government
against the culprits ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a)
Bunches of about COO letters suspected to have
been stolen from Cochin Air Sorting were
uneaithcd from a paddy field in Narakkal near
Cochin in May, 1972. The case is still under
police investigation and culprits have not yet
been traced.

(b) In view of (a) above, question docs
not arise.

(c) Necessary precautions and remedial
measures for tightening up supervision and se-
curity arrangements have been taken.

Directives to States to Fill quota of Posts
Reserved for Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes

*236. SHRI V. MAYA VAN: Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have issued di-
rectives to all the Government departments at
the Centre as well as to all the State Govern-
ments to fill up the quota of reservation for
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the States and
Union Government Departments ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NI WAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b)
Instructions have been issued from time to
time to all Central Ministries and Departments
prescribing the various steps to be taken for
securing scheduled caste and scheduled tribe
candidates against vacancies reserved for them
These instructions arc required to be strictly
observed by all the appointing authorities. The
reservations for scheduled castes and scheduled
tribes in the Services in the States arc the con-
cern of the respective State Governments un-
der article 335 r^ad with article 16(4) and 12
of the Constitution. As such, while no direc-
tive in this regard can be issued by the Go-
vernment of India to State Governments, the
former has been impressing upon the latter the
need to take appropriate steps to secure ade-
quate representation to the members of sche-
duled castes and scheduled tribes in the Ser-
vices and posts under them.

A.I.R. Correspondents

*237. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA-
PATRA : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government plan to change
the part-time A. I. R. Correspondents to full-
time ones and increase their salary ;

(b) whether the Correspondents arc also
appointed for special jobs as on agriculture,
labour, education, youth etc., if so, how many
such are there in Orissa ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) :

(a) There is no such proposal at present.

(b) AIR has appointed Conespondents
for coverage of agriculture and for youth pro-
grammes at a few places Orissa has one Cor-
respondent fur agricultural covciagc. It has
no Correspondent specially for youth coverage

Alleged Assault on a Mentally retarded
Female by Police party while taking her
to a Delhi Court

*238. SHRI N. K. SANGHI :

SHRI B. S. BHAURA :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether a mentally retarded female
inmate of the Central Jail of Delhi was cri-
minally assaulted by the escorting Police
party on July 3, 1972 when she was taken to
a Delhi Court ;

(b) if so, whether a high level enquiry
has been instituted into this mattei ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) An allegation to this
effect has been made.

(b) An inquiry officer has been appoint-
ed to enquire into the allegations

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station and the two constables forming
the escort party have been suspended. A
separate vehicle with an escort consisting of
lady police is being provided for escorting
female prisoners.

V.H.F. a New Telephone System for
Rural areas

*239. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH :

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH i

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS he pleased to state :

(a) whether a new rural telephone sys-
tem called V. H. F. system is being experi-
mented ;

(l>) if so, whether it will provide simul-
taneous speak and hear facilities ;

(d) if so, how long it will take to take it
to far away places in rural aieas ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes Sir. A single channel V. H. F. system has
c lev* loped for such areas.

(b) Yes Sir. It provides both speak and
hear facilities just like an ordinary telephone ;

(c) This telephone system is expected to
be more reliable and easy to handle in geo-
giaphical areas where it is difficult to erect and
maintain open wire lines.

(d) It is proposed to instal such systems,
in the iirst instance, in hilly and backward
aieas. 'Flic first few systems are expected to
be installed this year.

Tyre-factories in Public Sector

♦240. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO-
GY be pleased to state :

(a; the number and location of Tyre-
factories functioning in the country in public
sector ; and

(b) the manufacturing capacity of each
of the factories ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND

TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMAN-
IAM) : (a) There is no central public sector
Tyre factory in the country ;

(b) Does not arise.

Progress of State Farm at Barpeta Assam

1980. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the progress so far made by the
State Farm established at Barpeta Assam ;

(b) the total number of Officers drawing
above Rs. 500 p. m., employees drawing
below Rs. 500 p. m. and workers so far
appointed ;

(d) the total production up to the end
of April, 1972 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Total
area of the farm at present is 5,000 acres.
Operations in the area were commenced in
November, 1971. Recruitment of staff, pro-
curement of machinery and equipment for the
farm, construction of temporary sheds deve-
lopment of land etc. have already been taken
in hand. So far 532 acres have been reclaim-
ed. It was possible to put about 30 acres of
land under cultivation in rabi 1971-72. Total
area so far cultivated in Kharif 1972 is 110
acres.

(b) As on 30th June, 1972, two Officers
were drawing pay above Rs. 500 p.m and
nine employees below Rs. 500 p. m. From 10
to 250 workers have been employed since the
farm was set up.

(d) 145 quintals of wheat.

Poultry Farm and Nutritious Food Dis-
tribution Centres in M.P.

1981. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of poultry farms and
nutritious food distribution Centres function-
ing in the State of Madhya Pradesh, district-
wise ; and

(b) the particulars regarding the finan-
cial contribution of Centre and the State
during last three yean in this regard ?

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The infor-
mation is being collected from the State
Government and will be placed on the table
of the House when collected.

Promoting Education ««**«■§ Adivasis of
Madhya Pradesh

1982. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA • Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the amount spent for Adivasis in

Madhya Pradesh* during the last three years
by way of granting scholarships and other
facilities for promoting education among them
yeai^wise and district-wise ; and

(b) the number of persons benefited by
the Scheme, district-wise ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO-
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). A statement is
laid on the Table of the Sabha.

Statement

Central Sector (Rs. in lakhs)

Year

Post Matric Scholarships

Girls Hostel

Expenditure

Targets

Expenditure

Targets

1969-70

5.36*

3319 Scholarships

—

1970-71

4.39* ,

2880

0,9G

20 hostels

1971-72

5.48*

3700

1 80

20 hostels

* Excluding committed expenditure of Rs. 11. G6 lakhs

State Sector

Expenditure

'Pargets achieved

1969-70 1970-71 1971-72

(Rs. in lakhs)

87.46 120.59 190.80

1969-70 1970-71 1971-72

1. Pre-Matric 60000
Scholarships

2. Mid-day meals 6 lakhs

3. Reimbursement 5750
of tution and

Board Exam,
fees.

4. Hostels 80

5. Ashram Schools 3

6. Additional sti- 216

pends in general

I. T. I.

7. Post Matric —

hostels.

66000

75000

7 lakhs

8 lakhs

6325

6967

100

200

15 &
upgrading of
11 V* P.
Ashrams

267

300

The figures in respect of 1971-72 are anticipated. The District-wise information i*
not available.

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Sale price of Milk Products of D. M. S.
in Parliament House

1983. SIIRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will ihe Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the sale price of the following pro-
ducts marketed by the Delhi Milk Scheme
and sold at the Parliament House Counter ;
(i) Milk Shake and Lassi plain ; (ii) Milk
Shake and Lassi Sweet ; (iii) Milk Shake
with Ice Cream and (iv) Milk Shake with
Ice Cream and Syrup ;

(b) whether no price chart has been dis-
played at the Stalls in Parliament House, if
.so, the reasons therefor ; and

(e) whether any measure has been laid
down foi mixing of water in Curd for pre-
paring Lassi both plain and sweetish and if
1,(3, the measurement thereof and if not, the
i casons thcicfor f

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SUER SINGH) : (a) The sale prices of
various milk pioducts sold by Delhi Milk
Scheme at the Parliament House counter are
given below :

Milk product

Price

paise per
glass

Remarks

( 1 ) Milk Shake, plain

Not sold

Lassi, plain

—

(ii) Milk Shake sweet

—

Lassi sweet

—

[ 111 ) Milk Shake with

ice cream

—

Not sold

[iv) Milk Shake with

ice cream and

with 75 cc

syrup

ice-cream

cup

128

with 125 cc

ice-cream

cup

(b) The prices of various milk products
told in the Parliament House Stall/Milk Bar
ar <* generally well known. Price charts are
hung up when any change is effected in the
sale prices.

Seats available in All India Institute
of Medical Sdences f New Delhi

1984. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMI-
LY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of seats available in
the All India Institute of Medical Sciences,
New Delhi for graduate and postgraduate
courses ;

(b) the total number of applications
received this year for selection of the candi-
dates Statewise; and

•

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF .HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The

position in regard to availability of seats in
the under-graduate MBBS course and the
various post-graduate courses at the All India
Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi is
as follows :

(i) Under-graduate M.B.B.S. Course :

The total number of seats available each
year for the course is 50 out of which 10
seats are reserved for Scheduled Castes/Sche-
duled Tribes and 5 seats are reserved for
foreign students nominated by the Central
Government.

(ii) Various Post-graduate Courses :

The Total number of scats available at
present in the various post-graduate depart-
ments at the Institute is 422. The number
of seats in the various courses is fixed by the
Academic Committee of the Institute keeping
in view the available facilities in a particular
department.

(b) (i) Under-graduate M.B*B.S. Course :

The total number of applications received
this year for the 45 seats (exclusive of five
seats reserved for foreign students) was 7315.

The State-wise break-up of the candidates
selected for admission t6 the course during
the year i> given below 2

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Delhi

Bihar

Haryana

Maharashtra

Mysore

Punjab

Rajasthan

Tamil Nadu

Uttar Piadesh

(ii) Various Post-graduate Courses :

The total number of applications received
this year for the 191 seats for January to
July 1972 session available in the various post-
graduate courses was 2012'. Out of these 138
candidates were selected for admission to the
courses. The State-wise break-up of the per-
sons selected for admission is given below :

Punjab

Andhra Pradesh

Madhya Pradesh

Kerala

Maharashtra

Delhi

Tamil Nadu

Assam

Orissa

Himachal Pradesh

Haryana

Jammu and Kashmir

Mysore

U.P.

Rajasthan

West Bengal

Bihar *

Foreign Nationals

Total 138

ned by holding an All India competitive
examination. No special reservation of seats
is made State-wise. As regards the post-gra-
duate courses the selection is made purely on
basis of merit and no seats are reserved for
any particular state.

Seats in various Indian Institutes of
Technology

1985. SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHA-
RYYA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) the total number of seats available in
the five Indian Institutes of Technology all
over India for graduate courses during the
current year ;

(b) the number of applications received
from candidates according to State of origin
and the number of candidates selected from
each State ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION.
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL IIASAN) : (a) and (b).
A statement is laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library See No. LT. 3377/72]

(c) Admission to the Institutes of Tech-
nology are made through a Joint Entrance
Examination. The admission of students from
different States depends upon their lanks in
the merit list of the entrance examination
and choice of their own Institutes and subject
fields.

Small and Marginal Farmers and Agri-
cultural Labour Scheme in Dibrugarh,
Assam

1986. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Dibrugarh District in Assun
has a greater number of small and marginal
farmers and highest number of landless agri-
culturists ;

(b) whether the s( heme for benefit of small
and marginal fanners and agricultural labour
is proposed to be extended to Dibrugarh
district in Assam ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISRTY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The SFDA/

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MFAL are pilot experiments which are being
tried out in 87 selected project areas. In
Assam these areas arc located in the districts
of (1) Gopalpara (2) Kamrup (3) Mikir
Hills and (4) Nowgong Hills, which were
selected in consultation with the State Gov-
ernment. There is no proposal to extend the
scheme to Dibrugarh district during the
Fourth Five Year Plan. Information regarding
the number of small and marginal farmers
and agricultural labourers in Dibrugarh dis-
trict of Assam is not available.

Economist Leaving India

1987. SHRI E. V. VIKHK PATIL :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the atti ntion of Government
has been drawn to the news appearing in the
Hindustan Times dated the 2Gth July, 1972
about the decision of a top economists leaving
tin countiy out of disgust ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government
in the matter ?

HIE MINIS’! ER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF S NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).

I lie news appearing in the Hindustan Times
dated 2bth July, 1972 refers to the resignation
ol Pi of. M. C. Dalvi of Bombay University.
I hr inquired information is bung collected
fium Bombay University and statement will
he laid on the Fable of the Sabha in due

Allotment of Land to Registered Religi-
ous Institutions, New Delhi

1988. SHRI BISHWANATH JIIUNJI1U-
NWALA i Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 4141 on the
Lt may, 1972 regarding allotment of land to
Registered Religious Institutions in Delhi and
Mate :

(a) the requisite information ; and

(b) the names of the Religious Institu-
tions to whom land which was originally

marked for educational institutions has been
allotted with the area in each case and its
location ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY of health and family
planning and in the ministry of
Works and housing (prof. d. p.

CHATTOPADHYAYA) 8 (a) Allotments have
been made to 22 religious Institutions in
Delhi during the last two years and 7 cases
are pending with the D.D.A. No plot origi-
nally earmarked for any educational institu-
tions has been diverted to a religious institu-
tion.

(b) In view of reply to part (a) this does
not arise.

Amount Sanctioned to various Housing
Schemes in States

1989. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the amount sanctioned to the various
States for implementation of Housing Schemes
for (a) Hanjans, (b) Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes, in* 1971-72, State-wise;

(b) the total amount allotted under the
above scheme for 1972-73, State-wise ; and

•

(c) the names of the States from which
schemes have already been received and
expenditure involved to implement those
schemes ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). State-wise details may
be seen in the statement laid on the Table
of the House. [ Placed in Library. See No. L.T.-
3378/72]. The figures relate to the
housing schemes under the Backward Classes
Sector. Schemes are formulated and imple-
mented by the States/Union Territories
Administrations.

Financial Aid for Drinking water in Rural
and Urban Areas

1990. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA-
NNING be pleased to state ;

(a) the total financial aid given to Assam
for implementation of Drinking Water in rural
and urban areas during the last three years,
year-wise ; and

(b) the financial sanction ,for the above
works for 1972-73 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
Central assistance to the State Government 9

55 Written Answm AUGUST 16, 1972 Written Answers 56

for development programmes, including water
supply scheme, is being given on the pattern
of block loans and block grants of 70% and
30%, respectively. The financial sanctions for
the individual programme like water
supply are not required to be issued by the
Central Government as these lie in the State
Sector and the State Governments are entirely
responsible for providing funds and execution
of such schemes.

1 he allocations for 1969-70 , 1970-71 , 1971-72 and
1972-73, as recommended by the Planning Commi-
ssion, are given below : —

Year

Rural Water
Supply

Urban Water
Supply (inclu-
ding Sanitation)
(Rs. in lakhs)

1969-70

60.00

37 00

1970-71

39.00

%.00

1971-72

Gencial :

21.23

68.77

Hill areas :

19.00

23.00

1972-73

72.00*

65.00*

♦Includes Rs. 21.37 lakhs for Mizoram.

Doctors Refusal to visit M.P.’s Flats

1991. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Doctors and Lady Doctois
of Willingdon Hospital n fuse to visit the
M. P *s flats when urgently required to attend
to their babies and wives and visit only
Minister’s House when called ; and

(b) if so, the action Government propose
to take against such Doctors and Lady
Doctors who neglect the M. P. intentionally
and even ask them to wait outside ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Visiting the

patients in their homes on call does not fall
within the prescribed duties of the Medical
Officers on the Hospital strength of Willing-
don Hospital. The Central Government
Health Scheme beneficiaries are, however,
visited by the specialists of the Central

Government Health Scheme strength attached
to the Willingdon Hospital, when requisitioned
by the concerned Medical Officer of the
Central Government Health Scheme Dis-
pensary attending the patient. M. Ps. are
covered under the Central Government
Health Scheme.

(b) Any specific case of intentional eva-
sion of duty of paying domiciliaiy visits by a
Medical Officer is fully enquired into and if
after enquiry the Medical Officer, complained
against, is found at fault, lie is suitably dealt
with.

Allotment of Land to M.Ps. in Delhi

1992. SHRI SWARAN SINGH
SOKHI : Will the Mimstei of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to staU :

(a) whethei Govcinmenl have dtcided to
allot land to Members of Pailiament in
Delhi and the applications made by M. Ps.
arc King with tin Dilhi Development
Authority since July, 1971 :

(b) whetln r Government purpose to take
any action against I) D. A for pending such
allotments ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HE \LTH \ND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P-
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (<) Govern-
ment have reserved 5% of plots developed by
the D. D. A under the low and tin middle
income groups, foi '‘sitting Mcnibf rs of
Parliament and the Metropolitan Council,
Councillors of the Municipal Corporation of
Delhi and non-official members of the Canton-
ment Board and the New Delhi Municipal
Committee'*. The plots arc allotted at pre-
determined rates to only those wlro arc
covered by the income limit prescribed for
the low and the middle income groups ard
do not own a house in Delhi, New Dilhi or
Cantonment area in their own name or in
the name of any of their dependent relations
including unmarried children. 'The appli-
cations received from the M.Ps. are forwarded
to the D. D. A. who make the allotment to
the M.Ps. against their quota according to
the date of receipt ol the application, as and
when developed plots become available for

allotment to these income groups The
question of taking any action against the
D. I). A. does not arise.

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Allotment of Accommodation to Govern-
ment Officers on their turn

1993. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM s
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOU-
SING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Officers entitled for type
VIII accommodation have to wait for no
time, while the officers entitled for type II
accommodation have to wait for more than
20 years for allotment of accommodation ;

(b) if so, the time likely to be taken, so
that the Officers of any rank may get their
turn at the same time after putting certain
number of years of service ; and

(c) the details of various types of
accommodation available and the number of
Officers allotted accommodation and the
nurnbei of Officers waiting for accommodation
in each category ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH ANI) FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
( :H ATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) For type VIII
accommodation in the general pool at Delhi/
New l)dhi f which is allotted to Secretaries /

Additional Secretaries to the Government of
India, the date of priority covered is MO-
1962. If the total service put in by these
officers under the Central Government/State
Government is taken into contideration, most
of them have put in service of over 20 years
but have not been allotted accommodation of
entitled type. In type II the data of priority
running is 31-12-1953.

(b) There is an acute shortage of
accommodation m general pool at Delhi /New
Delhi and it has been possible to provide
accommodation to nearly 42% of the emplo-
yees working in eligible offices. It cannot be
stated by what time it will be possible to pro-
vide accommodation to Government Servants
who have put m a certain number of years of
service. Government have a continuing pro-
gramme. of constsuction of accommodation in
the general pool and the progress depends on
the availability^ of funds, developed land,

building materials technical capacity, etc.

•

(c) A statement showing the demand for
various types in the general pool in Delhi/Ncw
Delhi, number of officers provided with
accommodation and the number of officers
waiting for allotment is attached.

Statement

Demand Jot various typi s in thi general pool in Delhi/ New Delhi y number of provided oj/uers and number

of officers waiting for allotment

Type

Demand

Total number of provided
officers

Number of officers waiting
for allotment

26,335

12,901

13,374

39,799

10,315

29,481

111

14,631

7,018

7,613

*1,353

6,036

3,317

5,107

3,481

1,626

1,376

1,035

. ^

VII

421

325

VIII

112

Total

97,134

41,269

55,865

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Written insurers

Staff Strength of Food Corporation of
India

1994. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the staff strength, category-wise, in
Food Corporation of India as on the 1st
January, 1972 and the number of employees
belonging to Scheduled Caste/Tribes ;

(b) whether reservation quota for Sche-
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribes has been
maintained ;

(d) what specific steps Government pro-
pose to take to make up the shortfall ?

THE MINISTER OF §TATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) :«(a) Category-
wise staff strength in the food Corporation of
India as on the 1st January, 1V72, and the
number of employees belonging to Scheduled
Caste/Tribes is as under :

Category

Total

number

Scheduled

Caste

Scheduled

Tribes

490

1371

—

III

18849

1656

127

11361

1456

148

(b) The staff strength of the Food Corpo-
ration is mainly comprised of (i) Direct rec-
ruits (ii) Transferees from the Department
of Food and (iii) Deputationists from Central
and State Governments.

In so far as Direct recruits arc concerned,
the reservation quoia for Scheduled Caste
and Scheduled Tribes is being maintained
by the Goqjoration.

The Transferees from the Department
of Food of the Central Government arc
required to be absorbed by the Corporation
under section 12 A of the Food Corparations
Act, 1964 and as such the question of pro-
viding any reservation quota by the Food
Corporation of India for the transferees does
not arise.

The Deputationists from the Central and
State Governments are on foreign service
terms. No question of reservation is involved
in their case.

Adulteration of Fertiliser supplied by
Fertiliser Corporation of India

1995. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether it has come to the notice of
Government that out of 2790 bags of ferti-
liser received by rail at Kolar from the
Fertiliser Corporation of India Mangalore,
1 19 bags contained 90 per cent sand and 10
per cent fertiliser ;

(b) whether any investigation has been
made in this connection ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
Yes, Sir. The Food Corporation of India
(and not the Feitiliscr Corporation ol India)
has reported that theic was a complaint
about the adulteration in 119 bags of the
fertiliser received from the Corporation at
Kolar. After a preliminary enquiry, the Food
Corporation of India consider that the adul-
teration, if any, could not have taken place
before despatch of the bags by the Food
Corporation of India, particularly because
there was no complaint about the quality
in respect of several thousands of other bags
simultaneously despatched from Mangalore
However, the matter is being fuither investi-
gated in consultation with the State (Jove ru-
men t.

Advice allegedly given to State Govern-
ments to seize cars having Bangla Dcsh
Nunber Plates

1996. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Union Gove rnment have
advised the State Governments to sci/c all
cars with Bangladesh number plates ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and

(c) how many cars have been seized
consequently by the State Governments and
what action, if any, has been taken subse-
quently ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'HIE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY

Written Answers

SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers

affairs and in the ministry of

SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRl
OM MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir.

(h) and (c). Do not arise.

Working Group for preparation of Draft
Fifth Five Year Plan

1997. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN :

SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Planning Commission
had constituted a Working Group on Co-
operation for preparation of the Draft Fifth
Five Year Plan ; and

(b) if so, its terms of reference and
fiin< tioning of its members ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASMIEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The De-
partment of Co-operation, at the instance of
the Planning Commission, have constituted a
Working Group on Cooperation for formula-
tion of the 5th Plan.

(b) The terms of reference and func-
tioning of the Working Group are given in
the Statement enclosed. [. Placed in Library . See
No. L P 33 79/72].

Setting up of National Unit for Nutrition
Monitoring in Rajasthan

vm. SlIRI NAWAL KISHORE
SI I ARM A :

SI 1 RIM ATI SAVITRI SHY AM :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING lie pleased to state :

(a) whcthei some more National Units
for iNutiition monitoring arc being set up in
Rajasthan ; and

(b) if so, the locations thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and

(b). A Proposal to set up some more
Regional Monitoring Centres in diff-
erent States is under consideration of the
Indian Council of Medical Research.
T hose Centres, if put into operation, may
be located one each in the States of Punjab,
Rajasthan, Orissa, Assam, Haryana and
Bihar,

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Alleged Double Charge of Air Fares by
Professor of Sociology, 1. 1. T. Delhi

2001. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI:
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a Professor of Sociology at
the I. I. T., Delhi on having travelled to
Dibrugarh, Madras and Calcutta Universities
has double charged his air fare by buying a
circular round trip ticket while charging
Delhi-Dibrugarh, Delhi-Madras, Delhi-Cal-
catta air fare from the Universities ; and

(b) if so, the action taken on this irregu-
larity ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
A complaint to this effect was received in
February, 1972. The Institute obtained all
the relevant information from the various
authorities concerned and referred the matter
to the Board of Governors. The Board has
appointed a two-man committee to inquire
into the matter and submit a report.

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Written Answers

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Written Answers

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Import Programme for Fertiliser

2006. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have finalized

Fertilizer Import programme for the current
year ;

(b) whether Government propose to
import costly readymade NPK complex fertilizer
from U. S. A. instead of local mixing of
cheaper and staight fertilizer elements imported
from abroad ; and

(c) whether his Ministry had any discus-
sion with public sector technologists and
Department of Economic Affairs on this
issue ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) NPK complex fertilisers are impor-
ted to facilitate the market development pro-
grammes of domestic manufacturers, whose
factories now under construction will be soon
producing such fertiliser products. Contracts
have already been entered into with the
foreign suppliers for import of complex ferti-
lisers to be allotted to these manufacturers
during the year 1972-73.

The question regarding manufacture of
NPK complex fertiliser indigenously by impor-
ting intermediates is being examined in the
Department with reference to the comparative
economies involved.

(c) Yes, Sir. The matter is under further
consideration of the Ministry of Finance in
consultation with the concerned Ministries.

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Request of Central Assistance for Lift
Irrigation Scheme in U. P.

2009. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-

TURE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of lift-irrigation schemes
for which the Uttar Pradesh Government has
asked for Central Government’s assistance ;

(b) the sites of these schemes ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No such proposal has
been received from Uttar Pradesh Govern-
ment for Central assistance.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Setting Up of Water Boards to Tackle
Drinking Water Problem in Rural and

Urban Areas

2010. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURI :

SHRI *&. S. SIVASWAMY a

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether some States have set up
Water Boards to tackle the drinking water
problems in rural and urban areas ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof and
the progress achieved in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Infor-
mation is being collected and will be laid
on the Table of the Sabha when received.

Appointments to Tribal Development
Blocks

2011. SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the reason for not appointing any
single tribal to the posts of Block Development
Officer and Project Officer in the Tribal Deve-
lopment Blocks of Tripura, though there is no

dearth of Tribal Graduates in Tripura ; and

•

(b) whether Central Government propose
to investigate the matter ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCI-
AL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) The State Government have intimated that
the posts of Project Executive officer and

Written Answers

AUGUST 16, 1972

Written Answers

Block Development Officer are included in
the cadre of Tripura Civil Service and
Tripura Junior Civil Services respectively.
There is no separate cadre Rules for appoint-
ment of Project Executive Officer and Block
Development Officer in Tribal Development
Blocks. The recruitment to these posts are
made as per provisions of aforesaid cadre
rules.

(b) The State Government have been
requested to furnish full details in the matter.

Delhi Slum Area Controlled by Munici-
pal corporation of Delhi, D. D. A. and
Land Development Authority

2012. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a) the percentage of Delhi slum area
controlled by the Municipal Corporation of
Delhi, Delhi Development Authority and the
Land and Development Authority separately ;

(b) whether due to three authorities
controlling Delhi slum area, it is very diffi-
cult to coordinate and work in the interest of
the residents there ; and

(c) whether there is any proposal to put
the Delhi slum area under the charge and
control of one single authonty; if so, when
a final decision is likely to be taken in this
connection ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The Delhi
slum areas are under the control of the
Municipal Corporation of Delhi and the Delhi
Development Authority; the latter administers
colonies in an area of 1565 acres, where
squatters arc rehabilitated after being removed
from the place of squatting.

(b) and (c) For better administration of
the slum clearance and improvement scheme,
a proposal to bring all the slum areas of
Delhi under one authority is under considera-
tion. However, it is not possible to indicate
precisely any time limit by which a final
decision in the matter could be taken.

Effect on Road Building Work due to
Shortfall in Production of Road Rollers
and Shortage in Steel

2013. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will

the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether persistent shoitfall in the
production of road rollers and acute shortage
of steel required for bridges and culverts are
hampering Central Sector road building work
in the States ; and

(b) if so, the steps Government propose
to take in futuie in this direction ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) With the emphasis on load develop-
ment, there has been a spuit in the demand
for road rollers. During the three calender
years 1969, 1970 and 1971 the production of
road rollers had only been 335, 386 and 336
respectively against an annual licenced capacity
of 1520 road rolleis. This was not sufficient
to meet even the back log of demands. Letteis
of intent have been issued icccntly to two more
manufacturers and the grant of such a letter
to a third party is being pioccssed. Licences
are also being given for raw materials and
components to the three units in produt lion,
and it is also proposed to grant licence for the
import of special components also in order to
increase production. The question of meeting
the shortfall is therefore engaging the serious
attention of Government.

As regards steel, its availability is at
present below the demand. Fa cry effort is
being made to improve production by the
Steel plants through technological improve-
ments, belter industrial relations etc. Mean-
while efforts are also being made to import
additional quantity of steel required for
execution of Central road/bridge schemes
during the period of the Fomth Plan.

Funds to N. D. M. C. Improvement in
Slum Areas

2014. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have sanctioned
Rs. 3 lakhs to the New Delhi Municipal
Committee for canying out impiovcments in
slum areas in the city ; and

(b) if so, the reasons for not giving
grants to the Delhi Municipal Corpoiation
where much more slum area exists ?

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Written Anw*s

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The proposals received from the
Municipal Corporation of Delhi recently are
under scrutiny.

Reviews by Planning Commission of
Crash Programme for Rural Employment

2015. SHRX SAMAR MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Goveirunent’s attention has
been drawn to the Planning Commission’s
review of the crash scheme for rural employ-
ment in 1971-72 ;

(b) if so, whetlx i Government ha\c
noted the Commission's conclusion that the
scheme* lias tailed to reach the mark in

1971-72 ; and

(c) the reasons for this fail uie and the
steps taken by the Government to fulfil its
pledges regarding providing of employment
to 1000 needy poisons m every district ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF XGRICULJ URK (PROF.
S1IER SINGII) : (a) and (b). No review of
the Crash Scheme for Rural Employment in
1971-72 has been made by the Planning
Commission. No such conclusion has been
rcac hcd.

The Scheme envisaged an expenditure
of Rs. 50 nores and the generation of 875
lakh mandays of employment in a full work-
ing season of 10 months. The expenditure
reported so far is Rs. 32.37 crorcs and this
has resulted in the generation of 808.22 lakh
mandays of employment. It may be added
that information in regard to employment is
collected in terms of mandays and not in
terms oi number of persons employed as the
period of employment varies from person to
person and from project to project. It is
roughly estimated that more than 3.2 lakhs of
persons have been employed during the year
for varying periods. This woiks out on an
average to 957 persons per district for the 348
districts for which proposals were approved.
In actual fact, however, the position varies

from State to State and district to district
and the performance of some have not come
up to the mark. It is expected that with the
completion of administrative arrangements,
performance will be definitely better during
1972-73.

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Hook Worm Infection in Human Body

2017. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of HEALT H AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the team headed by Prof.
R. Vishwanathan of Vallabhai Patel Chest
Institute, Delhi and other medical authorities
have made suney that ever}’ third man had
hook woim infection and varying degrees of
anaemia ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY

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PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). A team
of experts from Raj end ra Memorial Research
Institute of Medical Sciences, Patna, headed
by Dr. R. Vishwanathan conducted a random
representative morbidity survey in Dhanbad
Jharia Coal Mines Area. It was found that
39 2% of the miners examined had hook-worm
infection and 41.97% suffered from anaemia
with haemoglobin less than 12 grams. No
detailed report of the team has been received.

Agreement with Foreign Countries for
exchange of Experts in Agricultural
Science

2018. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to refer to the reply given SQ, 16 on 3 1st
July, 1972 regarding talks cm Indo-Egyptian

cooperation in Agriculture and state :

»•

(a) whether Egypt is the first country
with which India has entered* into the agree-
ment for exhange of information and experts
in agricultural science and technology for
mutal benefit of the two countries ; and

(b) if not, which are the other countries ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
Yes Sir. We have entered into a similar
agreement with U. S. S. R. in 1971.

Acquisition of India Office Library in
London

2019. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATIGN AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) when India and Pakistan have
entered into peace pact and normalization of
relations is taking place, whether any efforts
are in progress fur the acquisition of India
office Library at London ;

(b) the progress made in this direction
so far ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) to (c). Draft Agreement for arbitration
received from the U. K. Government has
been under examination. The context in which
discussions regarding the India Office Library

have been taking place, has changed. Renewed
discussions between the parties concerned may
be necessary.

Crash Programme for Rural Employ-
ment in Goa

2020. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO-
DKAR : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Goa Government is to
execute the crash programme for rural employ-
ment ; and

(b) if so, whether the Goa Government
has decided to create special technical cell for
the purpose ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) No, Sir.

Steps to obtain Adequate Supplies of
Fertilisers

2021. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether there is world shortage of
fertilisers and, if so, how it is likely to affect
India ;

(b) the quantum of fertiliser required to
meet the country's needs over that available
from indigenous production ; and

(c) whether the commitments made by
foreign suppliers against our firm orders will
be fully honoured and if not, the steps
Government propose to take to obtain
adequate supplies ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.
There is relative scarcity of Fertiliser in the
world market. This may make it difficult for
Government of India to import required
quantities at satisfactory prices.

(b) During Kharif 1972, it is expected
that the country will require about 8.70 lakh
tonnes of N, 2.87 lakh tonnes of P and 1.38
lakh tonnes of K20 of this 5.64 tonnes of N,
2.42 lakh tonnes of P205 and 0.75 lakh tonnes
of K20 will be available from the stock in the
country and the domestic production. The
balance of requirements i. e. 3.06 lakh tonnes

of N, 0.45 lakh tonnes of P and 0.63 lakh
tonnes K20 have to be met from imports.

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(c) It is likely that there will be some
shortfalls in supply by foreign suppliers.
However, Minerals and Metals Trading
Corporation and Department of Supply have
been alerted to keep a close watch on the
shipment position which is also being reviewed
frequently in this Department.

Government have also taken a number of
steps to ensure that the available quantities
of fertilisers are put to the most productive
use. The steps taken include (a) take over of
30% of the domestic production of Ammonium
Sulphate to be distributed by the Central
Fertiliser Pool, (b) promulgation of orders
under the Essentia] Commodities Act making
it legally obligatory for the manufacturers to
supply the committed quantities of fertilisers
to the States and (c) plans by State Govern-
ments to use fertilisers for priority crops in
the interests of maximising production.

Stoppage of grant of Loans by Neemnch
Central Cooperative Bank for irrigation
purposes

2022. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Reserve Bank of India has
stopped Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank,
Mandsaur (Madhya Pradesh) from granting
loans for irrigation purposes ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank's
programme for financing the sinking of wells
was studied by an officer of the Reserve
Bank. The study revealed that the Bank’s
medium-term loans policy for this purpose
was defective in certain important aspects.
Although there were 56,000 existing irrigation
wells in the District, the bank had programmed
to finance another 1,000 new wells in 71-72*
The land development bank had a separate
scheme for financing 4,000 new dug wells.
Certain technical studies by the Director of
tube-wells were considered necessary to ensure
that a large increase in the number of wells
would not adversely affect the availability of
water in the existing wells due to over-
exploitation of ground water resources. The
Reserve Bank, therefore, restrained the
Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank from
issuing fresh loans for construction of wells
for the present till the defects noticed by the

study were removed. However, the Reserve
Bank released a further limit of Rs. 10 lakhs
to enable the bank to issue the remaining
instalments of the loans in respect of wells
already financed partially and under construc-
tion so that they could be completed quickly.
The whole effort is to ensure that the bank
follows a rational and scientific policy in
financing the construction of wells.

Addiction to drinks among Delhi Uni-
versity Students

2023. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA:
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether addiction to drinks is increas-
ing amongst the students of Delhi University ;
and

(b) if so, the steps Government have
taken to prevent this evil ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) The
Delhi University has intimated that there are
no reports to show that addiction to drinks is
increasing among the students of the Uni-
versity.

(b) Does not arise.

Setting up of Rural Road Commissions

2024. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether any decision has been taken
for setting up of Rural Road Commissions at
the Centre and in the States ; and

(b) if so, the outlines of the decision
taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Muld-Lingual Figures on Number Plates
of Vehicles*

2025. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided

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to end the multi-lingual figures on the number
plates of vehicles in different States ; and

(b) If so, the manner in which the
change is to be brought about ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). The Government
of India have appointed a Working Group in
July 1972, to examine Lhe question regarding
the language to be used for the dtsplay of
registration marks on motor vehicles. Further
action in the matter will be taken after this
Group’s repoit has been received and exa-
mined.

Admission of Women Patients in Lady
Hardinge Hospital, fiew Delhi

2026. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PL\N.\TNC % be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the Board of Directors of the
Lady Hardinge Hospital, New Delhi have
instructed for admission of all the women
patients in the Hospital but they have not
sanctioned an increase in the number of beds
in the Hospital, if so, whether more than one
patient arc provided one bed ;

(b) whether no attention is paid to patients
particularly women at the time of delivery
and even supply of water is not adequate to
meet the minimum demand during winter
period ; and

(c) w'hcther Government have appointed
a Committee to go into the details and to
attend to such complaints if so, the findings
thereof ?

TIIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) At present

there are 580 beds in this Hospital and this
is not sufficient to meet the demands of the
public. The guiding principle is not to refuse
admission of any case requiring immediate
medical care. Instructions have been issued
not to put more than one patient in one bed.

. (b) No.

has been asked to conduct an enquiry. His
report has not yet been received.

Request from States for Increased Quota
of Fertilisers

2027. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the States who have req-
uested the Central Government to increase
their quota of fertilisers ;

(b) the extent to which the Government
propose to increase their quota of fertilisers ;
State- wise ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANN AS AH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) The quar-
terly allotments of Pool fertiliser for the July-
Septcmber quarter were issued in July 72 after
taking into account the requirements of diffe-
rent States for Kharif 72 the supplies already
made in April- June 72 period and the require-
ments of stock building for Rabi 1972-73.
After the issue of quarterly allotment, requests
for enhancement have been received from
certain States on various grounds including
the need for the Pool making good alleged
shortages in the promised supplies by domes-
tic manufacturers. These States are Punjab,
Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal,
Himachal Pradesh, and Pondicherry.

(b) and (c). The matter is proposed to
be reviewed in all its aspects including latest
trends and needs of consumption and the
availability of domestic and imported ferti-
lisers, in the Zonal Conferences scheduled to
be held in Septunbcr-October 1972 and adjust-
ments in Pool Allotments and supplies will be
made in the light of that review.

Construction of Road connecting New
Delhi with Old Delhi

2028. SlIRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA : Will the Minister of WORKS
AND HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) the starting, termination and new
alignment to be provided between New Delhi
and Old Delhi by road through the New
Delhi Municipal Committee new building
under construction ;

(b) the time by which the construction
of the road is to commence ;

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(d) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) As per Master
Plan for Delhi, a new road connection is pro-
posed between the Old Delhi and New Delhi.
The alignment goes along the Turkman Gate,
Ranjit Singh Marg joining School Lane by
an overbridge on the railway, then link School
Lane, Tolstoy Marg and extension of Tolstoy
Marg upto Parliament Street. There is at
present no proposal for the extension of this
alignment from Parliament Street through the
New Delhi Municipal Committee's new
building.

(b) The scheme has not yet been finalised.

Inclusion of Kudumbi and Vellan Com-
munity in List of Scheduled Castes

2029. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whethei Government have received
any representation for the inclusion of the
Kudumbi Community and the Vellan commu-
nity of Kerala in the list ol Scheduled Castes ;
and

(b) if so, the decision taken thereon ?

THE DEPUTN MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) Yes, Sir. In respect of Kudumbi and
Velan Communities.

(b) The whole question of revision of list
of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is
under consideration.

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D. D. A. Draft Zonal Plan for the Walled
City of Delhi

2031. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Delhi Development autho-
rity had prepared and published a draft zonal
plan for the walled city of Delhi ; if so, the
broad outlines thereof ;

(b) whether Government received a
number of representations against this pro-
posal ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) *Yes, Sir. Five
plans have been published for inviting objec-
tions and suggestions. The area of the walled
city has been divided into 14 zones. The plans
have been prepared in accordance with the
recommendations of the Master Plan. While
preparing these plans, the area of each zone
has been divided into three categories, i. e.

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area under conservation, rehabilitation and
clearance/redevelopment.

(b) Yes, Sir. Over 800 objections /sugges-
tions have been received.

(c) These objections/suggestions will be
examined in detail by the Delhi Development
Authority and the final draft prepared keeping
in view the public opinion. The final draft
will then be sent to Government for approval.

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Salvage of Sub-Standard Rice unearthed
ih West Bengal

2033. SHRI N. K. SANGHI ; Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state
how much of the sub-standard rice unearthed
from Food Corporation of India Godown in
West Bengal could be salvaged and how the
rest has been disposed of ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The stocks of
non-Bengal raw rice are subjected to pre-ins-
pection by the State Government's Inspectors
in the godowns of the Food Corporation of
India in West Bengal. Such stocks as are
declared as sub-standard judged by the State
Government’s specifications which arc slightly
more stringent than the uniform specifications
of the Government of India, are subjected
to cleaning through the cleaning machines.
As such, the cleaning of non-Bengal raw rice
before issue has become a regular feature.
The rice after cleaning is accepted by the
State Government. The fine dust and small
brookens collected as a result of cleaning arc
disposed of as poultry feed in accordance with
the standing procedure.

The actual quantity cleaned and issued
during this year as a result of pre- inspection
by the State Government is being ascertained.

Tuberculosis in States

2034. SHRI DH ARAM RAO AFZAL-
PURKAR :

SHRI BHARAT SINGH
CHAUHAN :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of persons in the country
suffering from tuberculosis State-wise ; and

(b) the number of new T. B. Hospitals
Government planned to open in each State
during the Fourth Five Year Plan and the
amount of money sanctioned for this purpose ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P,
GHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Tuberculosis

is not a notifiable disease and as such, the
precise data regarding the exact number of
persons suffering from tuberculosis in the coun-
try is not available. However, the estimated
number of the persons suffering from the
disease is given in the statement laid on the
Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No.
LT. 3380/72].

(b) During the Fourth Five Year Plan it
has been proposed to establish 2500 TB beds
for which a sum of Rs. 227.00 lakhs has been
allocated for various State/Union Territory
Governments. A statement showing T, B.
Isolation beds proposed to be established in

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the States/Union Territoiies during Fourth
Plan period is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT. 3380/72].

Capitation Fee for Admission to Private
Medical Colleges

2035. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :

SHRI K BALADHANDAYU-

THAM :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of private medical colleges
now functioning in the country and the
number of them that arc recognised ;

(b) whether some Colleges are function-
ing without pioper staff and equipments ;

(d) if so, the steps taken by Government
to discourage the functioning of unrecognised
colleges and to eliminate the practice of taking
capitation fee from students 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) There arc four-
teen pnvate medical colleges functioning in
the country. Out of this, five medical colleges
have yet to be recognised.

(b) Yes It has been reported that some
of these colleges have not the full complement
of stair and cquipnv nt.

(d) The Government of India have already
requested the State Governments and Univer-
sities to discouiage the starting of any more
medical colleges in the private sector, on the
basis of charging capitation fees unless the
State Governments/Universities arc satisfied
with their financial viability and capacity to
maintain the standards laid down by the
Medical Council of India.

Review of Land Reforms by Planning
Commission

2036. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :

SHRI B. V. NAIK:

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be

pleased to state :

(a) whether the Planning Commission has
recently published a review of the country’s
land reform measures since 1947;

(b) if so, the main features of that review;

and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Plann-
ing Commission has not recently published any
review of the country’s land reform measures.
The concerned Division of the Planning Com-
mission has, however, prepared a working
paper reviewing the progress of land reforms
in the country. •

(b) Statement* is laid on the Table of
the House [ Placed in Library. See No. LT-
3381/72].

(c) The paper was prepared to initiate
discussions in the Planning Commission and
does not necessarily project the views of the
Planning Commission on the subject of land
reforms. Hence there L no question of the
Government taking any steps on the basis of
the paper.

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Bus Service in Delhi since D.T.U. take over

2011. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM: Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state:

(a) whether there has been no substantial
improvement in ljus services in the capital
since the Delhi Transport Undertaking was
taken over by the Centre ,

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMEN V OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) to (c). A number of steps have
been taken since 3-11-1971 when the manage-
ment of the City Transport Services was transfer-
red to a statutory Road Transport Corporation
to improve the operation of the bus services in
the capital. These have resulted in increase in
the number of buses on road, i eduction in the
working deficits and missing of trips and be-
tter utilisation of vehicles. This has enabled
the Corporation to introduce new routes and
aLo extend a few existing ones. Shuttle ser-
vices have also been introduced from hospitals
in the evenings for the convenience of visitors.
Additional special trips have been provided
for students. Steps have also been taken to
provide additional depots, which will help in
the improved maintenance of the fleet.

Orders have been placed for 291 addi-
tional buses. Out of these, 133 have already
been added to the fleet. The remaining vehi-
cles are also expected to be received and com-
missioned into service by October, 1972. It
has also been decided to acquire 425 more
buses during 1972-73 and 1973-74, Out of this
250 arc expected to be received by the end of
current financial year and the balance in the
next one. With the augmentation of the fleet,
the services are expected to further improve.

Written Answtrs

AUGUST 16, 1972

Written Answers

Setting up of a Commission to suggest
Prices of Agricultural Produce

2042. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under the
consideration of Government to set up a Com-
mission to suggest prices of agricultural pro-
duce commensurate with the increased cost of
productions; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in
this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEBP. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). There
is already an Agricultural Prices Commission
which makes recommendations in regard to
support/procurement prices for major agricul-
tural commodities after consic^ration of diffe-
rent factors, including the interests of the pro-
ducer and the consumer. Fqr doing so, it
takes into account the available data on cost
of production and other relevant information.
There is no proposal for constituting another
similar body.

Population of Shepherds and Steps for
there Uplift

2043. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) the population of shepherds in India
at present statewise ; and

(b) the steps Government have taken to
improve their social and economic conditions
of this community ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The figures for popula-
tion of Shepherds in India for 1971 Census are
not yet available. The population of the She-
pherds in India according to 1961 Census is as
per statement enclosed.

(b) As a par\ of the Fourth Five Year Plan
for Sheep Development, the State Governments
have sanctioned schemes which provide for dis-
tribution of stud quality rams required for im-
provement of the local sheep, provide health
cover, guidance to the sheep rearing commu-
nity for improving the sheep-husbandry prac-
tices, scientific shearing of sheep, preparation
of wool for the market. Large scale sheep shear-

ing, wool grading and marketing programme
has been taken up in the States of Rajasthan,
J & K, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana,
Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Mysore with the
assistance of U N.D.P. Under this programme,
benefits of mechanical shearing are made availa-
ble to the sheep rearing community. In certain
States, wool is being purchased from the sheep
breeders which is sold at the Wool Grading
Centres, after grading.

Statement

Population of Sheep Rearing Community in India

1961-Census

ZnnejState

Persons

India

372,988

States

1 .

Andhra Pradesh

158,424

Assam

Bihar

7,590

Gujarat

6,003

Jammu & Kashmir

2,562

Kerala

192

Madhya Pradesh

5,423

Madras

1,718

Maharashtra

57,790

10.

Mysore

56,479

11.

Orissa

770

12.

Punjab

13,521

13.

Rajasthan

39,254

14.

Uttar Pradesh

19,973

15.

West Bengal

642

Union Territories

1 .

Andaman & Nicobar Islands

—

Delhi

Himachal Pradesh

2,475

Laccadive, Minicoy Islands

—

Manipur

—

Tripura

Dadra & Nagar Haveli

Goa, Daman & Diu

—

Pondicherry

10.

N. E. F. A.

—

11.

Nagaland

—

12.

Sikkim

Source : Census of India, 1961. Vol. I,
Part II — B(i) p. 389.

Written Answers

SRAVANA 25, 1894 {SAKA)

Written Answers

New Varieties of Cotton Developed by
University of Agricultural Science,
Bangalore

2044. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHAR1EF *
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether two new varieties of Cotton
developed by the University of Agricultural
Science, Bangalore have been released by
Union Government ; and

(b) if so, the extent to which it will
help India in saving foreign exchange ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
AN NAS AH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) The All-
India Cotton Workshop held at Surat in
June, 1972 had recommended the release of
the two new cotton strains hybrid Varalaxmi
and variety GS-2 3 evolved by the University
of Agricultural Sciences, Bangalore. These
varieties have been recommended for culti-
vation in Mysore State. As per the present
procedures regarding the release of varieties
the State Variety Release Committees are
competent to release the varieties recommen-
ded bv the Workshop for their States.

[\>) Of the above two varieties, Vara-
laxrni hybrid has been found suitable for
spinning up to 60s. In a test conducted at
one of the mills in Bangalore it has been
reported as suitable for replacing Sudan/
Egyptian mixings used in that mill.

The saving in foreign exchange will
depend on the commercial production and
large scale utilisation by the textile industry.
It is too early to estimate the saving in
foreign exchange at this stage.

Scheme for Joint Farming of Surplus
Land

2045. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state whether Government are adopting a
policy of joint farming of all surplus land in
the country instead of distribution it to the
landless individuals ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : It was sug-
gested in the Second and Third Five Year
Plans that in the matter of settlement of land
acquired inconsequence of the application
of ceilings, tenants displaced as a result of
resumption of land for personal cultivation

farmers with uneconomic holdings and land-
less workers should receive preference. It
was also proposed that settlement should be
made, as far as possible, on cooperative lines.
The Chief Ministers’ Conference which was
held on 23rd July, 1972 has recommended
that in the matter of distribution of surplus
land priority should be given to the landless
agricultural workers particularly those belong-
ing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
They will be encouraged to take up joint
farming but will not be compelled to do so.

Steps to preserve Gond (Swamp Deer)
from extinction

2046. SHRI HARI SINGH :

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY:

Will the Minuter of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state ;

(a) whether ftovernment are aware that
the Gond (Swamp deer) a rare species in the
world, is on tfie verge of extinction in the
country ; and

(b) if so, steps Government propose to
check the extinction of gond (Swamp deer) in
the country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The infor-
mation is being collected and will be laid on
the Tabic of the Sabha in due course.

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Written Answers

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Inclusion of Sports as Part of Education

2048. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
any proposal from the President of the All
India Council of Sports to include Sports as
a part of education ;

(b) if so, the gist of the proposals ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (STIR I K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). No Sir.

Development of Shipping Facilities

2049. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether any steps have been taken by
Government for the development of shipping
facilities particularly in view of the limitations
imposed by the Shipping Conference with
which India is concerned ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b), Development of shipping facilities
is one of the objectives of the Government
and the Fourth Plan envisages a target of
40.00 lakhs grt. of which 35 lakhs grt. are to
be in operation and 5.00 lakhs grt. on order.
The steps taken by Government for the
development of shipping arc given below :

L Reservation of coastal trade to
national shipping.

2. setting up of Shipping Corporation
in the public sector.

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SR A VAN A 25, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers

3. Development of ship building industry
in the public sector.

4. Grant of preference to Indian ships
in the allotment of Government
controlled cargoes.

5. Grant of loans on concessional terms
to Indian shipping companies for the
acquisition of additional tonnage.

6. Making available foreign credit for
the acquisition of tonnage.

7. Grant of development rebate of
40 percent of cost of ship — available
upto the end of the 4th plan.

8. Introduction of bilateral shipping
services with countries like USSR,
Poland, UAR and GDR.

9. Enhancement of the limit of foreign
participation in the shipping industry
from 25 to 40 percent with effect
from 1963.

10. Revision and consolidation of the
Merchant Shipping Laws.

1 1 . Establishment of training institutions
for personnel.

12. Improvement of the system of re-
cruitment of seamen and the esta-
blishment of the Seamen’s Employ-
ment Offices.

13. Establishment of advisory bodies like
the National Shipping Hoard, Mer-
chant Navy Tiaming Board and the
National Welfare Board.

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Text Books In M. P. State Showing J & K
as an Independent Country

2052. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH

MALIK :

SHRI RAM PRAKASH

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether some text books in Madhya
Pradesh State show Jammu and Kashmir
State as an independent country along with
Ceylon and Nepal ; and

(b) if so, the action taken against such
publishers ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). Necessary informa-
tion is being collected and will be laid on the
Table of the Sabha as soon as possible.

Effect on delivery Schedules of Vlsakha-
patnam Shipyard due to npn-Adherence
to delivery Schedules by Indigenous
Suppliers

2053. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY:
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether non-adherence to delivery

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AUGUST 16, 1972

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100

schedules by indigenous suppliers has upset
the delivery schedules of the Visakhapatnam
shipyard, blocked huge working capital and
retarded implementation of the Rs. 8 crore
development plan for over two years ; and •

(b) if so, the manner in which Govern-
ment propose to relieve the situation ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) and (b). It is true to
a certain extent that non-adherence to delivery
schedules by certain indigenous suppliers is
one of the several factors contributing to the
delay and consequential blocking up capital
and retardation of the implementation of
development plans of Hindustan Shipyard
Limited Government, hqwever, have ende-
avoured to relieve the situation. The
Shipyard's technical officer* regularly visit the
suppliers in order to expedite and to reassess
their capacity. Government also favourably
consider proposal for importing of equipment
which cannot be supplied indigenously.
Recently, Government have set up a Steering
Committee to examine inter alia the capacity
of indigenous firms to adhere to delivery terms
and to watch the progress with reference to
such capacity.

New Scheme of Agricultural Credit for
Small, Medium and big Farmers

2054. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
refer to the reply given to Unstarred Ques-
tion No. 196 on the 15th November, 1971,
regarding New policy to provide credit to
agriculturists, and state the progress made in
respect of scheme for agricultural credit to
meet the needs of small, medium and big
farmers in the country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The Fourth
Plan policy relating to agricultural credit in
favour of smaller farmers was given in reply
to the Lok Sabha Question No. 196 There
is no scheme for agricultural credit to meet
the needs of small, medium and big farmers in
in the country. As mentioned in the earlier
reply, the Government policy is to orient the
loaning policy and procedures of the financ-
ing institutions in favour of smaller farmers.
Relaxations have been made in the procedures
followed by the cooperative institutions like

share capital to be collected and security
requirements in favour of the small farmers ;
commercial banks also followed liberalised
patterns is lending to the small farmers. The
Agricultural Refinance Corporation has exten-
ded concession of 100% refinance for schemes
in the Small Farmers Development Agency /
Marginal Fanners and Agricultural Labourers
Agencies' areas upto 30th June, 1973.

The available data indicate that :

(i) During 1969-70, in ten States and
five Union Territories, out of the total of Rs.
403 crores issued as short and medium term
loans Rs. Ill crores (27.5%) were advanced
to land holders upto 2 hectares each ; and Rs.
23 crores (5.7%) to tenants and agricultural
labourers. Thus 33.2% of the total advance
from cooperatives were generally to the weaker
sections ;

(ii) Similarly during 1969-70, in ten
States and two Union Teinlories, out of a
total of Rs. 88 31 crores, issued as long-term
loans by cooperative land development banks,
Rs. 21.93 crores, i. e. about 25 c /o were to
cultivators having holdings upto two hectares.

(iii) As on 25-12-1970, out of Rs. 184.26
crores outstanding, under-direct finance for
agriculture, from the fourteen nationalised
commercial banks and State Bank of India
Group, Rs. 40.55 crores representing 22%,
were to farmers with holdings upto five acres
each ;

(iv) The Credit Guarantee Scheme
covered small loans (upto Rs. 2,500 for short-
term production purposes and upto Rs. 10,000
for term loans) advanced to farmers and
agriculturists, amounting to Rs. 438.07 lakhs
by the end of June, 1971, This rose to Rs.
715.51 lakhs by 30th September, 1971.

Foreign Agricultural Experts Working
in the Country

2055. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of foreign agricultural
experts who are at present in the country ;
and

(b) whether Government propose to
reduce the number of foreign agricultural
experts ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) 148.

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(b) It has been the consistent policy of
the Government to have only those Foreign
Experts in the country as are considered
absolutely indispensable in their respective
fields. The position is teviewed periodically,
to implement this policy.

Sales Centres By F. C. I.

2056. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there are some sales centres
of the Food Corporation of India functioning
in the country and if so the broad outlines
thereof ;

(b) whether the said corporation has
decided to open some more centres ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANN AS AH EU P. SIIINDE) : (a) to (c).

The Food Corporation of India had opened
11 sale* centres between 27.3.1972 and the
beginning of August, 1972. However, in
pursuance of the recent decision of the Govern-
ment to channelise all supplies of foodgrains
in the Ccntial Pool through the established
public distribution system, sales of foodgrains
through the Sales centres have been suspended.

Standard Pooled Licence Fee for Type
II Quarters in D. I. Z. Area

2057. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the standard pooled licences
fee under F. R. 4 5- A per month for the type
II quarters in DIZ area is Rs. 42.00 ;

(b) whether some allottees arc being
charged more than the said rent ; and

(c) if so, the facts thereof and the reasons
for the same and the steps taken by Govern-
ment to reimburse the excess charges already
collected ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). The rale of pooled standard

licence fee of newly constructed multistoreyed
type II quarters in D. I. Z. area had not
been fixed at the time of allotment of these
quarters. The recovery of licence fee was
commenced at 10% of the emoluments of the
allottees in order to avoid accumulation of
arrears. In some cases, where 10% of the
emoluments happen to be more than the
standard pooled licence fee, the amount
recovered in excess will be refunded or adjus-
ted against future recoveries after a review of
such accounts is completed.

Priority Reached for Allotment of
Accommodation to Central Government
Employees

2058. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :

SHRI HUKAM CHAND
KAGHWAI :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pissed to state :

(a) the date of priority reached for the
allotment of residential accommodation to the
Central Government Employees in Types IV,
III and II quarters on the 1st August, 1972
in the Capital ;

(b) whether some applications have been
asked to cover certain date of priority for
each Type if so, the facts thereof and the
expected date to be covered in each type ;
and

(c) the steps taken by Government to
provide the accommodation to those employees
who have put more than 20 years of service
and are without any shelter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The dates of
priority, as covered on the 1st August, 1972,
is so far as general pool accommodation at
Delhi/New New/Delhi is concerned, are as
under : —

Type II = 1-12-1953

Type III = 2- 7-1945

Type IV = 11,5-1944

(b) For the allotment year beginning
from the 1st August, 1970 applications were
invited on a restricted basis and the dates of
priority upto which applications in these types
were invited are as under : —

Type II = 31-12-1955

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Type 111 31-12-1950

Type IV = 31-12-1948

These dates were determined keeping in
view the vacancies likely to become available
during that allotment year and the new units
likely to be completed.

(c) Duiing the remaining period of the
Fourth Five Year Plan, it is expected that
3,772 new units would be added in lower
types to the general pool in Delhi and it is
likely that Government servants with over 20
years of service will be provided accommoda-
tion on addition of these units.

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Leprosy in the Country

2061. SHRI RANABAIIADUR SINGH :
WU1 the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state ;

(a) whether Government have undertaken
any survey to study the pattern and severity
of incidence of leprosy in the country ;

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(b) whether Government are aware that
some villages like Rambida on the North-East
Border of Madhya Pradesh have more than
fifty percent villages suffering from advanced
stages of leprosy ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. Metho-

dical and systematic survey has been under-
taken throughout the country from 1955.

(b) Madhya Pradesh is a low endemic
State, the prevalence rate of leprosy being
less than 0.5% in general. The State Health
authorities have icported that no village in
Madhya Piadesh has 50% villagers suffering
from lepiosy.

(c) The National Leprosy Control Pro-
gramme, which is being implemented in the
country, is a Centrally Sponsored Scheme
during the Fourth Five Year Plan with 100%
Central assistance to the State and Union
Territory Governments. The programme
provides for establishment of Leprosy Control
Units, Survey Education and Treatment Cen-
tres and for upgradation of the Leprosy
Subsidiary Centres to Leprosy Control Units.
So far 227 Leprosy Control Units and 1423
Survey Education and Treatment Centres
have been established in the country under
this programme. Besides, 37 Leprosy Control
Centres by voluntary organisations have also
been established. So far, 89.3 million popula-
tion has been cov< i :d and 10.28 lakhs leprosy
cases have been recorded for treatment.

In Madhya Pradesh alone, 6 Leprosy
Control Units, 71 Survey Education and
one Leprosy Control Centre by a voluntary
organisation are functioning under this pro-
gramme. 2.73 million population has been
coveted and 17,887 cases have been recorded
for treatment.

Setting up of Soil Testing Laboratories

2062. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the main features of the pilot scheme
for the establishment of Soil Testing Labora-
tories by selected co-operatives, which has
been formulated by the N. C. D. G. ;

(b) barring the four Co-operatives in the
States of Haryana and Maharashtra that have
been assisted under this scheme, how many
soil testing laboratories have been set up in
the country ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The scheme
envisages establishment of soil testing labora-
tories each with a capacity to test 30,000
samples per year, and involving non-recurring
expenditure of Rs. 1.7 lakhs and recurring
expenditure of Rs. 80,000 per annum.

(b) Under the National Cooperative
Development Corporation scheme, one co-
operative in Madhya Pradesh (in addition to
three in Maha&shtra and one in Haryana)
has so far been assisted (Apart from these five,
there are 200 other Soil Testing Laboratories
in the Country including 31 Mobile Vans).

(c) Under this scheme, the N. C. D. C.
provides to the State Governments, outside
their Plan ceiling, longterm loans @ Rs. 1.70
lakhs per soil Testing Laboratory towards the
non-recurring expenditure, which is passed on
by the State Government to the Society con-
cerned in the form of share capital
(Rs 1 lakh) and loan (Rs. 70,000).

Credit Provided to Marketing Coopera-
tives for Procurement Stocking and Dis-
tribution of Fertilisers and other Agricul-
tural Inputs

2063. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the State- wise allocation of maigin
money provided by the Central Government
to Marketing Cooperatives for undertaking
procurement, stocking and distribution of
fertilisers and other agricultural imputs from
1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72 ;

(b) The extent of credit limits extended
to these Cooperative wholesalers in the various
States by the Reserve Bank of India, State
Bank of India, State Cooperatives Banks and
other nationalised banks for undertaking ferti-
liser business on a large scale ; and

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107

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) i (a) A statement
(No. 1) is placed on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3383/72].

(b) The information is being collected.

I. I. T., Delhi Notification Regarding Out-
standing Temporary Advance

2064. SHRI ATAL BEHARI VAJPAYEE :

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the authorities of I. I. T.,
Delhi issued a Notification stating that not
more than Rs. 50,000 should Remain outstand-
ing temporary advance ; and

(b) if so, in how many cases it has not
been adhered to in the last two years and the
reasons therefor in each case ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) According
to the information received from the Institute,
no notification or order was issued fixing
a ceiling of Rs. 50,000/- for outstanding tem-
porary advances.

(b) Does not arise.

Assistance to Bangla Desh for Develop-
ing Shipping Industry

2065. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Bangla Desh Government
have sought India’s help in developing the
shipping industry in that country ; and

(b) if so, the assistance provided to Bangla
Desh in this respect ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND # SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and
(b). The Government of India have agreed
to supply two ships to Bangladesh, the sale
price of which will be met from the credit of
Rs. 60 million made available to that Govern-
ment. One ship has since been handed over
to that Government. The Shipping Corpora-
tion of India have also entered into an agree-

ment with the Bangladesh Shipping Corpora-
tion providing amongst others that it will
make available to Bangladesh Shipping
Corporation : —

(i) ships on single voyage/time charter
basis for export trade of Bangladesh
with countries covered by U. K.
North Continent Conference ;

(ii) space for Bangladesh cargo on other
liner areas like Australia, USA, Japan
East and West Africa, Gulf area etc.;

(iii) arrange charter of vessels to Bangla-
desh Shipping Corporation at most
favourable available rates.

(iv) employ 50 engineering and navigation
officers on its ships pending acquisi-
tion of ships by Bangladesh Shipping
Corporation ;

(v) services of engineers and masters to
man Bangladesh ships as and when
required.

Development of Inland Water Transport

2066. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether any survey has been earned
out to assess the possibility of developing
inland water transport in the country, if so,
the results thereof ;

(b) whether any plan has been drawn up
for improving and developing the existing
water transport facilities in the country , and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) A committee under the Chaii-
manship of Shri B. Bhagavati studied the
problems relating to the existing inland water
transport system in the country and recom-
mended a phased programme for its develop-
ment.

(b) The Committee recommended 32
schemes costing Rs. 12.42 crores and 14 schemes
costing Rs. 14.89 crores for implementation
during the Fourth Plan and Fifth Plan periods
respectively. Out of these, 19 schemes costing
Rs. 5,97 crores have so far been sanctioned.

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Buckingham Canal ; construction of locks,
wharves in the Godavari Delta Canals ; com.
mercial services on the Ganga, Brahmaputra
and its tributaries ; improvement of Cumbar-
jua Canal and provision of ferries in Goa,
purchase of dredging equipment for water-
ways in Gujarat ; introduction of mechanised
service on the Jhelum ; widening and deepen-
ing of Champakara Canal and Chavara-
Neendakara waterways ; improvement of
West Coast Canal in Kerala ; lining of Elleru
and Machalipatnam Canal ; development of
inland navigation on the Tungabhadra Canal;
improvement of navigation in Mahanadi ;
improvement of Krishtapore Canal ; provision
of ferries on the Hooghly.

Non-Utilisation of Minor Ports due to
Lack of Development of Coastal Shipping

2067. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the facilities of the minor
ports in the country laigely remain unutilised
due to lack of development of the Coastal
Shipping ; and

(b) if so, whether Government propose to
develop Coastal Shipping in a big way ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :

(a) and (b). Due to draft restrictions and
inadequate berthing facilities, minor ports are
catering to very small coastal vessels and sail-
ing vessels only. In so far as the small vessels
arc concerned, there has been a dwindling of
cargo due to competition from the railways
and road transport. Government has, there-
fore, set up a Committee for the study in
depth of the inter-related problems of coastal
shipping and the traffic facilities at the minor
ports.

Shortage of Suphala Type Complex Fer-
tiliser lu Eastern States

2069. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is an acute shortage of
Suphala type complex fertiliser in the Eastern
States ;

(b) if so, causes thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). No
report has been received in the Ministry of
acute shortage of Suphala type complex
fertiliser in the Eastern States. Information
has been requested from the States in the
Eastern Zone and will be placed on the Table
of the Sabha as soon as it is received.

Reconstruction of Main Body of I. G.

S. S. R.

2070. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the main body of the Indian
Council of Social Science Research has been
reconstituted ;

(b) whether the Chairman, Member-
Secretary and Director of Documentation
continue to be ffora same region ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) The
Indian Council of Social Science Research
was reconstituted w. e. f. 1st Aprli, 1972.
However, no change was made in the Chair-
man and the Member-Secretary whose terms
of office are yet to expire.

(b) Yes, Sir. But this is merely a coinci-
dence.

(c) There has been no delay in the
appointment of the second Member-Secretary
of the I. C S. S. R. Under Rule 14 of the
I. C. S. S. R., the first Member-Secretary of
the Council has been appointed by the Govern-
ment of India and is to bold office “till such
time as a Member-Secretary has been appoin-
ted by the Council with the approval of the
Central Government.*’ He works purely in an
honorary capacity and has expressed his desire
to be relieved as soon as possible. The Coun-
cil has advertised the post and appointed a
Selection Committee. Its ^ proposals are
awaited.

List of Non-Official Allotted Houses by
Directorate of Estates

2071. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR i
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state t

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(a) whether a large number of non-
officials have been allotted houses and flats
by the Directorate of Estates ;

(b) whether a list of such allottees will be
placed on Table of the House ; and

(c) whether a list of all such licencees
whose rent arrears are over Rs. 1,000 on July
15, 1972 will be placed on the Table of the
House ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The in-
formation is being collected and will be laid
on the Table of the House.

Closure of Tea Godown <*f Calcutta Port

207 2. SHRI JYOTIRMQY BOSU : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the tea godown of the
Calcutta Port has been closed ;

(b) whether as a result of this closure,
the port ls incurring losses, at the rate of
about Rs. 21 lakhs per year ;

(c) whether tea industry and tea exports
have been adversely effected , if so, the cir-
cumstances under which the godown had to
be closed , and

(d) the steps, if any, being taken in this
regard ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
ia) M/s. Balmer, Lawrie & Go. Ltd., who
used to function as public warehousemen for
the tea trade, vacated the three tea warehouses
of Calcutta Port Commissioners, one in
October, 1971 and two in January, 1972.

(b) The Port Commissioners have lost rent
on these warehouses at the rate of Rs 25.14
lakhs per annum for the period during which
they have been vacant.

(c) According to the Ministry of Foreign
Trade, the closing of those warehouses caused
considerable inconvenience to the tea industry
and the tea exporters but there has not been
any decline in the exports of tea during the
period that these warehouses were closed as

compared to the corresponding periods in the
earlier two years.

(d) Till long term alternative arrange-
ments are made, two of the three warehouses
have been taken over by the Central Inland
Water Transport Corporation Ltd., which is
a Government of India Undertaking, with
effect from 12th July, 1972. The third ware-
house has been retained by the Port Commis-
sioners for being let out for other purposes.

Pay Scales of Scientists Under Indian

Council of Agricultural Research

2073. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the pay scales of scientists under
Indian Council of Agricultural Research,
category- wise ;

(b) the method and principle of recruit-
ment and promotion of scientists to higher
posts ;

(c) whether the Government are consider-
ing to revise the pay-scales and change the
rules and regulations relating to recruitment
and promotion ; and

(d) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A statement
is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in
Library . See No. LT-3389/72]

(b) In accordance with the provisions of
the Bye-laws of the Council, as approved by
the Government of India, recruitment to all
Class II and Class I Scientific posts ls made
on the basis of selection by open competition
through advertisement on an all-India
basis.

(c) and (d). No Sir. The general ques-
tion of revising the pay-scales of Agricultural
Scientists will be considered after the report
of the Third Pay Commission relating to
scientific employees of the Scientific Depart-
ments of the Govornment of India and the
Government decisions thereon have become
available. Similarly the general question of
changing the present rules and regulations
relating to recruitment and promotions to
scientific posts, will be considered after the
receipt of the report of the recently constitu-
ted I. C. A. R. Enquiry Committee.

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Age Limit for Sterilization

2078. SIIRI PAMPAN GOWDA :

SHRI G. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have fixed any
age limit for sterilization ; and

(b) if so, the age so fixed ?

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118

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
Yea. In case of women the upper age limit
for sterilization haa been fixed at 45 years. In
case of men, those above 50 years are not
generally accepted for the operation.

Establishment of Cashew Research
Institution

2079. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA: Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
the consideration of Government to establish a
Cashew Research Institution in the country ;
and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No Sir,
there is no proposal at present under the
consideration of the Government of India to
establish a separate Cashew Research Institu-
tion in the country. Sometime ago a proposal
establish a Research Institute in Kerala for
search on Cashew nut shell liquid was
< eived in the Ministry of Foreign Trade,
but they have not found it feasible to agree
the proposal so far.

The I. C A. R. has already established
a Central Plantation Crops Research Ins-
titute with its hcadquartcis at Kasaragod
in Kerala State which deals with research
on cashew as well as other Plantation
Crops. This Institute is likely to be further
strengthened during this plan inter alia for
undertaking intensive research on cashew
cultivation and processing.

(b) Does notarise.

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Missing of Books from Saprn House
Library, New Delhi

2084. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA
HALDER :

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY ;

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleaded to state :

(a) whether his attention has been drawn
to the reported missing of more than 600
books from the Sapru House Library, New
Delhi ;

(b) if so, whether any enquiry has been
constituted ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord-
ing to the information furnished by the Indian
Council of World Affairs, 626 volumes of UN
Treaty Series were missing from the Library
of the Council,

(b) and (c). A repoit has been lodged
with the Police by the Council and the matter
is under investigation of the Crime Branch of
Delhi Police.

Supply of an exploratory fishing vessel

under Norwegian Aid Programme

2085. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN :

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state s

(a) whether Government have received
an exploratory fishing vessel free of cost under
the Norwegian Aid Programme ;

(b) whether the Government have offered
this vessel to Kerala Government ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIIE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
The last exploratory fishing vessel supplied by
Norway under the ~ successive Agreements
relating to the Indo-Norwegian Project was
received in 1966. No vessel received under
these Agreements, of which the term of the
final agreement came to a close in March,
1972. has been offered to the Government of
Kerala. The vessels are, however, based at
Cochin. Indications have however been
received of continued assistance in various
spheres including fisheries. It is expected
that some exploratory fishing vessels will be
supplied free of cost by the Noiwegian Agency
for International Development. Under the
procedure prescribed by the Ministry of
Finance, external assistance in the form of
commodities and equipment having sale
value is required to be adjusted against plan
ceilings. An enquiry was accordingly made
from maritime State Governments, including
Kerala whether they would be able to
accommodate the cost of the vessels, if

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allotted to them, under their plan ceilings.
No conditions were prescribed, as the enquiry
was intended for the purpose of making an
assessment of the situation on the basis of
which a suitable arrangement for the utilisa-
tion of the vessels could be worked out. The
State Governments expressed inability to
accommodate the cost of the vessels against
their Plan ceilings. In accordance with the
proposals as now formulated, the operational
plan of the vessels will be drawn up by the
Central Deep Sea Fishing Organisation,
which will also co-ordinate the exploratory
programme of the vessels. The State Govern-
ments concerned will operate the vessels, and
the cost of operation is proposed to be met by
the Central Government. The proposals are,
however, tentative. It is not expected that the
vessels will be available before 1974. The
number of vessels to be supplied and their
disposition has also not been determined. The
final arrangements for the organisation of the
exploratory programme with the vessels will
be worked out in the light of developments.

Supply of Boiled Rice to Kerala

2U86. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
the consumers of Kerala show a very marked
prt ference foi boiled rice and there have been
frequent complaints about the continued
supply of i aw rice ,

(b) if so, what steps Government have
taken for the supply of boiled rice to Kerala ;
and

(t) if no steps have been taken, the
reasons thcicfor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). Only limited stocks of boiled
rice are available in the Central pool. Out of
these a substantial quantity has already been
allotted to Kerala. Long-term measures to
encourage production of boiled rice are under
consideration.

Sugar Allotment to Kerala

2087. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the sugar allotment to Kerala State
per month ;

122

(b) whether Government are aware that
the present allotment quantity is not suflicient
to meet the requirement of Kerala ; and

(c) whether Government would consider
the sugar allotment on the basis of one Kilo-
gram per head per mensem ; and if so, when,
if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The quota of fair price
levy sugar allotted to Kerala State under the
voluntary distribution scheme/Partial control
duTing January, 1972, to August, 1972, is

given below :

January

’72

7602

tonnes

February

*72

7600

tonnes

March

'72

7600

tonnes

April

'72

7612

tonnes

May

’72

7G12

tonnes

June

’72

7612

tonnes

July

’72

7612

tonnes

August

*72

7160

tonnes

(b) and (c).

Levy sugar is

being allotted

to all the State Governments on a rational
basis after taking into consideration the popu-
lation factor, the past pattern of consumption
during 1967-68 and 1968-69, and the availa-
bility of sugar. The scale and mode of distri-
bution within the State is, however, left to
the discretion of the State Government subject
to a guide-line that no individual be supplied
more than 1 kilogram per month and a family
should not get less than a kilogram per month
in any case. Due to the extremely limited
availability of sugar it has not been possible
at present to accede to the demands of the
State Governments, including Kerala, for
increasing their monthly quotas.

Research in Bacterial Fertilizer

2088. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state whether to avoid
eutrophication of ‘wet lands' subjected to high
dosage of chemicals fertilizer, the Govern-
ment has any plans to piornote research in
‘bacterial fertilizers’ ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANN AS AH EB P. SHINDE) : In recent years,
the subject of eutrophication, that is,

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124

“unwanted growth of algae” has drawn wide
attention, due to the consideration that nitro-
gen is present to the extent 79 per cent in
the atmosphere and it is a very mobile element
in air, water and soil The fact remains that
there arc 40 species of algae and as low as
0.3 parts per million nitrogen or even half of
this amount in ordinary rainfall is considered
enough to support algal growth. In view of
this, it does not seem to be likely that nitrogen
from fertilizers may be responsible for eutro-
phication, specially in developing countries
like India where according to 1969-70 statis-
tics, the per hectare consumption of fertilizer
is hardly l/47th of the developed countries
like Japan and 1/8 1st of the fertilizer dose
used in Netherland. There appears, therefore,
no danger at present to be apportioned to the
use of chemical fertilizers in out country.

The research investigations carried out,
so far at the Central Rice Research Institute,
Cuttack have not shown any deleterious effect
in the wet-land soil, due to the use of high
doses of chemical fertilizers. However, research
studies have already been undertaken to exploit
the possibilities of bacterial fertilizers like
Azotobacter mutants as also the mass culture
of algae for rice in wet-land soils and intensi-
fication of the research programme is now
contemplated. The use of Bacterial fertilizers
like Rhizobial cultures for inoculating seeds
of pulses and other legume crops is, however,
becoming a general practice now.

Profits expected from Indian Built Luxury
Liner ‘Harsha Vardhan*

2089. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH; Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state the
estimated profits expected this year from the
India built luxury liner “Harsha Vardhan”
and the routes on which it will ply ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : The Ship-
yard has contracted to deliver the luxury
liner “Harsha Vardhana” to the Shipping
Corporation of India only in October 1973.
No profits therefore are expected this year.
This ship will ply between India and East
Africa.

Crash Programme for Appointment of

Primary Teachers in Rural Areas

2090. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a crash programme for
appointment of primary teachers in the rural
areas evolved by Government is being conti-
nued this year ; and

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme
and its achievements in 1971-72 ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) ;
(a) A Central Scheme for Providing Employ-
ment to the Educated Unemployed by Expan-
sion of Primary Education facilities in States/
Union Territories was sanctioned during 1971-
72 and is being continued during the current
year.

(b) The scheme provides for appointment
of additional primary school teachers, inspectors
of primary schools, introduction of work expe-
rience, distribution of free textbooks and
stationery, supply of midday meals and cons-
truction of additional class rooms. During
1971-72 approximately 28,000 teachers, 161
inspectors and 367 work experience teachers
were appointed. The target for 1972-73 are
30,000 teachers, 240 inspectors and 1,000
work experience teachers. The entire ex-
penditure is borne by Government of India.

Pollution of Sea Water by Washing of
Oil Tankers by Foreign Shipping concerns
near Bombay Docks

2091. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether washing of oil tankers by
foreign shipping concerns in the vie inity ol
Bombay docks has resulted in dangeious
pollution of sea-water in that area ; and

(b) if so, the steps being taken by
Government to remedy this ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) No, Sir. At present oil tankers use
facilities for cleaning at the Marine Oil
Terminal (Butcher Island). Oil tankeis are
not allowed to enter the docks unless they
have been completely cleaned and certified as
‘gas free* by the Inspector of Explosives. One
noticed case of oil pollution is suspected to be
due to (i) discharge of oil into the sea by oil
tankers after leaving Butcher Island and (ii)
outfall of residual oil from leaks in the
bunker lines in the docks.

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(b) More rigid enforcement of already
existing provisions and joint inspection by
Port Trusts, Naval authorities and other
concerned interests are being considered to
prevent recurrence of even such occasional
pollution.

Central Assistance for Agricultural and
Jute Loss in Orissa

2092. SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether there has been a great agri-
cultural and jute crop loss in Orissa and if
so, the reasons therefor ;

(b) whether the Centre have given any
relief and assistance to the Orissa Government
to meet such a loss ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
AN NAS AH EB P. SHINDE) ; (a) to (c).
The relevant information is being collected
and will be placed on the Table of the Sabha.

Performance of National Highways Or-
ganisation, Orissa

2093. SHRI P. GANGADEB: Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
he pleased to state :

(a) whether the National Highways
Organisation in Orissa has not shown good
peiformancc for some time past ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the
measures being taken to strengthen Orissa
Highways Body ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) i (a) Yes Sir, for the last 3
y^ars.

(b) Lack of proper organisation in the
State P. W. D. mainly and to a limited extent
shortage of steei and road building equip-
ments has contributed to the situation. The
State Government have been persuaded to
strengthen the National Highway Organisation
which now consists of 15 Divisions and
** Circles under the charge of one Chief
Engineer. They are also procuring more road
building machinery. Efforts are also being
made to procure more steel.

Assessment of Levy Sugar on the baste of
Levy Prices

2094. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state whether Government have
decided that assessment of levy sugar will be
made on the basis of the levy prices fixed by
the Government ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : Yes, Sir. The excise duty
on levy sugar is assessed on the basis of the
levy prices notified under the Sugar (Price
Determination) Order, 1972, for different
grades of sugar in different zones.

Progress in completion of Cochin Ship-
yard

2095. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) the progress made so far in the com-
pletion of Cochin Shipyard ;

(b) whether the work is going on as per
schedule ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) Approximately 170 acres of
land have been acquired and another 1.5
acres have been notified for acquisition for
extending a railway siding to the Shipyard
site. All the technical designs and drawings
required to be delivered by Consultants have
been received from M/s. Mitsubishi Heavy
Industries Ltd., Tokyo. Design works to be
done by the Shipyard Organisation have been
largely completed. Preparatory works such as
fencing of the shipyard site, reclamation of
the site, 1st phase construction of shipyard
roads, temporary water and electricity supply
systems for construction requirements and
1st phase of drainage works* have been com-
pleted. Work is in progress on construction
of Training School, Mould Loft foundation,
Hull Shop; Main Electric supply receiving
station, Laboratoiy, Oil Store, Paint Store
and 2nd phase road construction. Contracts
for construction of Outfitting ware house
(foundation and superstructure) Maintenance
Shop (foundation and superstructur e) and

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128

General Store foundation have also been
awarded. Award of major marine works viz.,
Building Dock, Repair Dock and Quays is
under consideration. Orders have been placed
for the procurement of cranes and machinery
including major electrical equipments, some
of which have already been taken delivery of.
Tenders for another 75 items of machinery/
equipment have been received and are under
scrutiny. With a view to completing the cons-
truction of the Shipyard according to sche-
dule, a fully Government of India owned
company named ‘Cochin Shipyard Limited’
has been set up with effect from 29.3.1972.

(b) and (c). The work is generally pro-
gressing as per schedule, except in a few cases
like the awaid of contracts for Building Dock,
No. 3 Quay, Hull Shop foundation and 150
T Gantry Crane where the tenders had to be
re-invited for lack of suitable response from
the tenderers.

Family Planning Publicity through In-
formation and Broadcasting

2096. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have evaluated
the Family Planning Publicity work executed
through the Information and Broadcasting
Ministry media ; and

(b) the steps his Ministry want to take to
improve motivational publicity among non-
Hindu communities 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The informa-
tion is being collected and will be laid on
the Table of the House.

(b) Various forms of presentation and
appeals are being used to inform, educate and
motivate all sections of society. A special
campaign cell is also proposed to be set up
for developing special approaches suited parti-
cularly to the neetjs of those sections of society
which suffer from socio-economic backward-
ness, and hence show comparatively less
interest in family planning.

Functioning of Book Promotion Division

2097. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA: Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the functions of Book Pro-
motion Division are still divided among the
two Departments of Education and Culture ;
and

(b) the reasons for not placing Book
Promotion Division under a senior Director
with knowledge of book world ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Deputy Educational Adviser
who is incharge of this Division has sufficient
knowledge of the Book World.

Book on India-Land and People brought
out by N. B. T.

2098. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of books the National
Book Trust has so far brought out in the
series India-Land and People ; and

(b) the reasons for not publishing books
on new North-Eastern States and territories
like Tripura, Mizoram and Arunachal ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) 51 titles have so far been
published in this series.

(b) “India the Land and People” is a
continuing series and all areas of the country
are expected to be covered by about August,
1973. So far four books about Assam and
one about Nagaland have been included in
this scries.

Central Aid to Persons given Land after
Imposition of Ceiling

2099. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state the arrangements being made to pro-
vide financial and other help for rehabilita-
ting landless people on lands available after
imposition of ceiling and the ratio of Central
and States’ assistance in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The new
assignees of land will be able to take advan-
tage of the financial assistance from special
schemes like SFDA and MFAL in areas where

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these schemes are in operation, as small and
marginal farmers, apart from the financial
assistance available from existing institutions
like cooperatives and commercial banks. The
special schemes like SFOA and MFAL are in
the Central sector and are wholly financed
by the Central Government.

Production of Hindi Books

2100. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been invited to a news item appearing in
Hindustan Times dated the 21st July, 1972
regarding production of Hindi Books ;

(b) the reasons for the unsatisfactory
production of books ; and

(c) the total amount sanctioned for the
purpose State-wise and the percentage there-
of utilized for the production of books during
the last two years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO-
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. R/VMASWA-
MY) : (a) Yes Sir

(b) The Scheme of production of books
and literature in Hindi at the University
level launched in 1 908-69 is bring implemen-
ted mainly by the State Governments.

Accoiding to the Guidelines circulated
by the Central Government at the beginning
of the Scheme, the State Governments were
to set up autonomous/departmental Boards
for executing the scheme. This took consi-
derable time in some States. The progress
during the first two years of the Fourth Five
Year Plan was slow on this account. Besides,
it is in the very nature of book production
that upto the manuscript stage the progress
u essentially latent. Expert Subject Panels
have to be set up, titles have to be selected,
authors/ translators have to be identified and
in case of translations, copyrights have to be
obtained. Results show only when books are
published. The initial apparent slow progress
of the Scheme is attributable to this factor also.

(c) A statement showing the grants re-
leased to State Governments and the percen-
tage of expenditure reported to have been
1T1( l, rrcd by the various Book Production
Boards during the last two years is laid on
the Table of the House. [Placed in Library.
S" No. LT-3386/72 ].

Improvement of Bus Service in Delhi

2101. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :

SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state t

(a) whether he is aware of great hard-
ship being caused to the travelling public in
Delhi for want of efficient transport ;

(b) if so, the positive measures being
taken to improve the Delhi Transport Cor-
poration Service, especially in peak hours ;and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Sustained efforts
are being made to streamline the operations
of the bus services of the Delhi Transport
Corporation. These have started yielding
results by way of reduction in the working
deficits and missing of trips and better utili-
sation of vehicles. Steps are being taken to
repair some of the old and defective buses to
make them roadworthy. Orders have also
been placed for the procurement of 294 addi-
tional buses including 30 Mini buses. 133
have already been received and added to the
fleet. The remaining buses are also expected
to be received by October 1972. It has been
decided to acquire 425 additional buses during
1972-73 and 1973-74. Out of this, 250 are
expected to be received by the end of the
current financial year and the balance in the
next financial year. With the augmentation
of the fleet, the services are expected to fur-
ther improve.

To meet peak hour traffic, which mostly
consists of office goers, special trips have been
provided from various localities to the office
complexes in the mornings and in the reverse
directions in the evenings.

Firms Manufacturing Vanaspad and
Vegetable Products

2102. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the names of firms manufacturing
vanaspati and other vegetable products who
have been granted GOB Licences for fabri-

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eating tin containers for packing of their
products and who approached the Vanaspati
Directorate of his Ministry for assistance in
the allotment of tin plates ; and

(b) the action taken In the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATJ5 IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) i (a) The following manufac-
turers of vanaspati have been granted c.o b.
licences for fabricating tin containers for
packing vanaspati, or for expansion of their
existing capacity therefor :

(1) New units

(i) M/s, Dipak Vegetable Oil Indus-
tries Ltd., Manavadar.

(ii) M/s. Premier Vegetable Products
Ltd., Jaipur.

(iii) M/s. Kishan Chand & Co. Oil In-
dustries Ltd., Ludhiana.

(iv) M/s. Prabhat Solvent Extraction
Industries Ltd., Manavadar.

(v) M/s. Maharashtra Vegetable Pro-
ducts Ltd., Dhulia.

(2) Expansion of existing capacity :

(i) M/s. Bhavnagar Vegetable Products
Ltd , Bhavnagar.

(ii) M/s. Hindustan Development Cor-
poration Ltd., Calcutta.

(iii) M/s. Western India Vegetable Pro-
ducts Ltd., Amalner.

(b) In accordance with the distribution
procedures presently in force, the licensed
capacity of these firms has been intimated by
the Directorate of Sugar and Vanaspati to
the Tinplate Producers through the Iron and
Steel Controller, Calcutta, for enabling tin
plate to be released to them accordingly.

Inspection of Accounts of Sociological
Society Conference

2103. SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the authorities of Indian
Institute of Technology, Delhi have withheld
the submission of accounts of the IXth Socio-
logical Society Conference (held in I. I, T.,
Delhi in 1969) from inspection by the AGCR
for the two consecutive years ; and

(b) if so, what action has been taken in
regard to this irregularity ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
At the request of the Indian Sociological
Society, the Indian Institute of Technology,
Delhi, agreed to host the 9th Sociological
Conference which was held at New Delhi in
November, 1969. The Institute also decided
to contribute a sum of Rs. 19,000/- towards
the expenses of this Conference.

2. The total expenditure which the
Indian Institute of Technology incurred on
this conference was Rs. 29,448.36. Towards
this, it had only its own contribution of
Rs. 19,000/- and a grant-in-aid of Rs. 6,000
sanctioned by the Mahatma Gandhi Centenary
Committee which had been passed on to it
through the Indian Sociological Society. As a
balance of about Rs. 4,448.36 had yet to be
received from the Indian Sociological Society,
the accounts could not be finalised and sub-
mitted to the AGCR.

3. On 2nd March, 1972, a sum of
Rs. 3,000/- was received from the Indian
Sociological Society. Thereupon, the accounts
were finalised and also audited by the Int rnal
Audit. These have now been submitted to the
AGCR party which is working in the
Institute.

4. It will thus be seen that the delay in
submitting these accounts to the AGCR had
been solely due to the fact that the necessary
funds were not received from the Indian
Sociological Society.

5. It is understood from the Indian Socio-
logical Society that it has not yet been able
to get finalised and audited statement of
accounts from the then Head of the Depart-
ment of Humanities and Social Sciences who
was incharge of organising this conference on
its behalf. Certain other complaints have also
been received against him. The Board of
Governors have considered these complaints
and appointed a two-man Committee to
examine the matter and submit a report to
the Board at an early date.

Re-Routing of D« T. C. Buses through
I. T. O. Bridge of Jamuna River

2104. KUMAR I KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Delhi Transport Gorpo-

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ration Buses have been re-routed through
I. T. O. Bridge of Jamuna liver. New Delhi ;

(b) If so, the number of buses which arc
passing through that bridge daily ; and

THE MINISTER OF S TATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFRIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) Services on route No. 1 1-F
operating between Patpar Ganj and Rafi
Marg and special trips during office hours on
routes No. 20 and 46 touching various trans-
Jamuna colonics have been re-routed via
I. T. O. Bridge with effect from 1-8-1972.

(b) 56 trips are being operated daily via
I. T. O. Bridge.

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Report of Committee on use of Urban
Waste and Night Soil as Organic Manure

2106. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have set up a
Committee headed by Shri B. Sivaraman,
Vice-Chairman of National Agriculture Com-
mission to determine the extent to which the
urban waste and night soil can be used as
organic manure ; and

(b) if so, the time by which the Com-
mittee will submit its report ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The Committee is required to submit
its report within a period of six months, i. e.
by the 5th November, 1972.

Cadre of Hospital Administrators

2107. S1IRI ARVIND NETAM: Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India are
considering to raise the cadre of Hospital
Administrators ; and

(b) if so, how it will effect the smooth
functioning of the hospitals ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

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Request for sanction of two Agricultural
Universities in Uttar Pradesh

2108. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Uttar Pradesh Government
have urged the Centre to accord sanction for
setting up two more Agricultural Universities
m the State ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Centre
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The proposal is under the considera-
tion of the Government of India.

Educational, Cultural an^ Social Institu-
tions associated with Names and Heri-
tage of Great Sons of India

2109. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will die
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the educational, cultural
or social institutions which are (i) run direct-
ly, (ii) managed through autonomous bodies,
(iii) partly financed , and (iv) given ad hoc
aids by the Education Ministry that arc asso-
ciated with the names and heritage of (i)
Mahatma Gandhi, (ii) Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru, (iii) Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, (iv)
Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, (v) Dr. Rajendra
Prasad, (vi) Dr. Zakir Hussain and (vii) Lai
Bahadur Shastu ;

(b) (i) separate annual expenditures and
(ii) the aggregate expenditure incurred so
far on these institutions lun in the names of
each of the great sons of India ;

(c) the names of similar institutions and
the expenditure incuired (i) annually and
(ii) in aggiegate so far which are run in
association with the name and heritage of
Nclaji Subhas Chandra Bose ; and

(d) the realms for discriminative attitude
of Government towards Netaji ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) ;

(a) to (d). The information is being collected
and will be laid on the Table of the House,
when received.

Books on and by Netaji Subhaeh
Chan dra Bose available in Library of
Institute of Advanced Studies, Simla,
Jawaharlal Nehru University and Central
Government Libraries

2110. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Library of the Institute
of Advanced Studies, Simla contains most of
the important books on and by Mahatma
Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, but no book
on and by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, if
so, the reasons therefor ;

(b) whether Jawaharlal Nehru University
Library has books on and by Netaji Subhash
Chandra Bose ; and

(c) whether Government propose to issue
directives to all Central Government libraries
for including books on and by Netaji ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S NURUL HASAN) : (a) No, Sir.
The Library of the Indian Institute of Advan-
ced Study, Simla does contain some books, on
and by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.

(b) Yes. Sir.

(c) The National Library, Calcutta gets
one copy each of every book published in the
country. The Central Secretariat Library and
Delhi Public Library also have books on and
by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.

Shortfall in target of food production
during 1971-72 on Estimate* of food pro-
duction in 1972-73

2111. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether shortfall in food production
during 1971-72 will effect the target of
national self-sufficiency in food production ;

(b) if not, the target year for stopping
food import from outside; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The

achievement of self-sufficiency in foodgrains
production is an accepted policy and this

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objective is not influenced by production in
any individual year.

(b) No fresh contracts for the import of
foodgrains either on concessional or commer-
cial basis, have been entered into by the
Government since 1st January, 1972.

(c) During the current year kharif crops
have been affected in varying degrees, by the
drought in several States. A number of
corrective measures are being taken to com-
pensate the losses already suffered. These
includes providing irrigation from all available
sources, replanting of crops, wherever possible,
raising intermediate short-term crops and
mounting a massive programme for intensive
rabi /summer production. However, as we are
in the early part of the agricultural year
1972-73, it is not possible to give an estimate
of foodgrains production at this stage.

Scheme for providing Employment to
Educated Unemployed

2112. SHRI SAMAR GUIIA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Education Ministry has pre-
pared schemes of piovidmg employment to
the educated unemployed, if so, the details
about such .scheme's ;

(b) State- wise break up of such scheme-* ;

(d) the number of educated unemployed
under such Schemes and their State-wise
figures v

THIi DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S.
RAMASWAMY) : (a) to (d). The Ministiy
formulated a Scheme for Providing Employ-
ment to the Educated Unemployed and Ex-
pansion of Elementary Education duiing the
year 1971-72. Under this scheme, assistance
is given to the States/U.Ts for the appointment
of additional teachers and assistant inspectors
of schools, introduction of work experience,
supply of free text books and stationery, pro-
vision of midday meals and construction of
additional class-rooms. The assistance given
to the different States/U.Ts during 1971-72
under the scheme may be seen in Statement I
laid on the Table of the House, [Placed in
Library . See No. LT— 3387/72]. A State-
wise statement showing the number of teachers.

school inspectors and work experience teachers
sanctioned and appointed during 1971-72 is
given in Statement II laid on the Tabic of
the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-
3387/72]. For 1972-73, sanctions have been
issued to all State Governments and Union
Territories for the appointment of 30,000
further additional teachers, 240 school inspec-
tors, distribution of free textbooks and
stationery and midday meals to about 9 lakh
children, introduction of work experience in
1,000 schools and construction of 30,000
class-rooms.

Teaching of Hindi and other Languages

2113. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Hindi Schools run or
financed wholly or partially for teaching
Hindi to the non^iindi people ;

(b) the total expenditure meuned by
Central Government for the purpose of (i)
running, (ii) subsidising and (iii) giving various
other aids to such Hindi Schools during the
last three years ;

(c) the number of Schools run or financed
by the Central Government for teaching Bengali
to non-Bengali, Tamil to non-Tamil, Gujarati
to non-Gujarati, Telugu to non-Telugu, Mala-
yalam to non-Malayalam, Oriya to non-Oriya,
Assamese to non-Assamese, Marathi to non-
Marathi and Kannadi to non- Kannadi peoples;
and

(d) the expenditure incurred for teaching
of non-Hindi languages separately during the
last three years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN T11E
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S.
Rj\MASWAMY) : (a) This Ministry do not
directly run any Hindi schools for teaching
Hindi to non-Hindi speaking people. However,
under this Ministry’s scheme for ‘financial
assistance to voluntary Organisations for
propagation and development of Hindi 1 finan-
cial assistance is given to such organisations
for running centres for teaching Hindi to non-
Hindi speaking people. The number of such
centres during 1971-72 was about 2,000.

(b) The total financial assistance given by
the Central Government for the arrangements
mentioned at (a) above during the last three
years is given below ;

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1969- 70 : Rs. 12,51,717.00

1970- 71 : Rs. 12,73,281.00

1971- 72 : Rs. 15,05,067.00

any schools directly for teaching of regional

languages. However, financial assistance during
the last three years was given to five voluntary
organisations which ran classes for teaching
these languages.

(d) Since these institutions generally
conduct classes for more than one language
from the same grant, separate figures for each
language are not available. The expenditure
incurred on the arrangements mentioned at
(c) above during the last three years was :

1969- 70 : Rs. 8,753.00

1970- 71 : Rs. 29,500.00

1971- 72 : Rs. 2,477.00

The languages for the teaching of which

grants were released were : Assamese, Oriya,
Tamil, Telugu, Urdu, Kannada, Malayalam
Marathi and Bengali.

Conference of State Health Secretaries

2114. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN:

SHRI M. C. DAGA :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether a conference of State Health
Sccietaries, administrative Medical Officers
and Family Planning Officers held in New
Delhi in June, 1972 discussed the operation of
the Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act
and the problems encountered by the States
in its implementation ;

(b) the special facilities which Govern-
ment are providing to the States in this
respect ;

(c) whether all the States and Union
Territories have since set up Boards as required
under the Act for approving Institutions where
abortions could be performed and the Medical
Practitioners for this work whether any fixed
fee has been prescribed for the purpose ; and

(d) the step* taken in giving wide publi-
city to the Institutions and Medical Practi-
tioners so approved by the Boards for the
purpose ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY

OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The Operation of Medical Termination
of Pregnancy Act is a health measure. Like other
health services, State Governments have to pro-
vide special facilities for the operation of Medi-
cal Termination of Pregnancy Act also from
their budget. However, some central assistance
for expansion of existing facilities etc. is under
consideration.

(c) No. So far 14 States and 4 Union
Territories have constituted such boards. No
fee has been prescribed for the purpose.

(d) It is not considered necessary to give
publicity.

Taking over of Public Schools in Delhi

2115. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the question of taking over of
Public Schools in Delhi was under active
consideration of Government for some time ;
if so, the decision taken so far in this respect ;

(b) whether Government have leceived a
number of complaints against the Public
Schools in Delhi, if so, the nature of com-
plaints and the action taken thereon ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Some allegations against a Public
School in New Delhi were received. These
relate to alleged unauthorised collections made
in 1965 for the National Defence Fund,
Jawans* Fund and irregular termination of
services of certain staff members by the
authorities of the School. Inspector General
of Police, Delhi, was asked to make inquiry
and submit report in the matter, which is
awaited.

Sale of Spurious Drugs

2116. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number and names of Chemists

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and Druggists who have been prosecuted in
the country during the last 3 years on the
charge of selling spurious drugs ; and

(b) whether Government are considering
to enact some legislation in this respect or to
amend the existing law with a view to provide
pure medicines to the patients and to award
severe punishment to the persons concerned ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The
information is being collected and will be
laid on the Table of the Sabha.

(b) The Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1940
already provides for deterrent punishment
for offences relating to the manufacture
and sale of mis-branded and adulterated
drugs.

Experiment in Dry Farming by I.C.A.R.

2117. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether any experiment has been
conducted by the Indian Council of Agricul-
tural Research to improve dry farming in
the country ; and

(b) if so, the results thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

An All Indi i Coordinated Research Pro-
ject on Dryland Agriculture has been sanc-
tioned since October, 1970. The project is
in operation at 24 selected centres, represent-
ing different agro-climatic conditions in the
country and its research programme aims to
develop technology to improve production
under dryland conditions. Research is also
being conducted at different Research Institu-
tes and other coordinated research projects of
the Council, specially under the All India
Coordinated Agronomic experiment scheme
to improve agricultural production under
dryland conditions.

(b) Within the short period of intensive
research efforts on dryland agriculture, a
number of promising results have since been
obtained and some of the more important
ones are mentioned below :

(i) Sunflower is proving to be a pro-
mising crop for most of the dry
areas in Andhra Pradesh, Mysore
Gujarat, Maharashtra and even
for some parts of Northern India.

(ii) Under dryland conditions. Hybrid
bajra HB-3, yields 32 per cent
more than HB-1 and is better than
local selections.

(iii) As upland drilled rice, Jaya, CR.
44-1, Krishna, Kaveri and Bala
varieties perform well.

(iv) Cowpea, C. 152 performs outstand-
ingly well under rainfed conditions.

(v) Research results on rabi ‘Jowar*
are convincingly in favour of Sep-
tember rather than the October
sowings in black cotton soils of
Bijaput and Bcllary tract.

(vi) Dryland soils are not only thirsty,
they are also hungry ; and appli-
cation of fertilizer enables the
crops to stand drought better and
invariably yield higher.

Monument ‘Birbal Ka Chhatta’ in Har-
yana

2118. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the existence of a medieval monument called
Birbal Ka Chhatta in Narnaul in Haryana
state ;

(b) whether this monument is in a neg-
lected condition ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir. Though popularly know as Birbal Ka
Chhatta, the structure was, constructed by
Rae Mukund Das, the governor of Narnaul
under Shah Jahan.

(b) and (c). The monument is under the
protection of the Government of Haryana and
as such the Central Government is requesting
that Government to take suitable steps for the
proper conservation of the monument.

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Effect of shortage of Chemical Fertiliser
on Green Revolution in Rice Growing
Areas

2119. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the extent to which the current short-
age of chemical fertilisers will a fleet Govern-
ment’s plan to extend the 'Green Revolution*
to the rice producing areas in the country ;
and

(b) the steps Government have taken to
overcome the difficulties created by shortage
of fertilisers in the rice growing areas ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
It is not possible to state precisely as to what
extent the rice production with the High
Yielding Varieties of seeds vfoll suffer due to
likelihood of shortage of fertilisers. The fol-
lowing measures have been taken to ensure
that the high yielding varieties programmes
receive priority in the matter of fertiliser
supply :

(i) The States have been asked to
prepare plans for using fertiliser
on priority crops only and make
distribution arrangements accor-
dingly.

(ii) States have been advised to take
various measures such as better
tillage, better water management
and plant protection, better weed-
ing and more balanced fertilisa-
tion along the guidelines suggested
by the Indian Council of Agricul-
tural Research.

(iii) Orders have been promulgated
under the Essential Commodities
Act, making it legally obligatory
for the manufacturers to supply to
the States the quantities of fertili-
sers committed by them during the
Zonal Conferences. This will en-
sure that all the States get the
supplies on an equitable basis.

(iv) Government have taken over 30%
of the Ammonium Sulphate pro-
duced within the country to be
distributed through State agencies
like cooperatives, Agro- Industries
Corporations etc. for priority crops
and areas.

(v) The States have been advised to
prepare careful inventories of the
stocks available in the godowns of
cooperative and private dealers to
enable optimum utilisation of the
available fertilisers.

Delivery of Ships by Rumania

2120. SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKOD-
KAR :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Rumania has refused to
deliver ten ships to India at the contracted
price ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b). The Rumanian Shipbuilders had
expressed their inability to deliver ten ships
at the contracted price for the following
reasons stated by them :

(i) after the signing of the contract,
the prices of equipments and mate-
rials have gone up substantially
and there were big differences
between their first estimates and
actual prices to be paid now ;

(ii) labour costs were showing a conti-
nuous increasing tendency.

(iii) during the finalisation of the tech-
nical documentation some modifica-
tions were proposed to the original
specifications which have made the
vessels more expensive.

An amicable settlement has, however now
been reached.

Pilferage in Calcutta Port Area

2121. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) whether pilferage in the Calcutta
Port area had been checked and several people
rounded up and some smuggling operations
detected ; and

(b) if so, broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) i

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(a) and (b). As a result of intensification
of preventive measures in the Port area with
the induction of Central Industrial Security
Force and Creation of Customs Dock In-
telligence Unit, the position of pilferage at
Calcutta Port has started improving and a
number of attempts at smuggling have been
thwarted. A number of people have been
arrested. The total number of persons arres-
ted during the period August, 1971 to June,
1972 in cases of pilferage was 348. In addi-
tion, 24 persons were arrested for smuggling
since the Central Industrial Security Force
took control of the Docks and Jetties in
August 1971.

Construction Work of Gopalpur Minor
Port

2123. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to start
the construction work of the Rs. 2.75 crores
minor port at Gopalpur immediately taking
into consideration the suggestion to change
the site of the minor port ; and

(b) if so, when the construction work of
the minor port is envisaged to end ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b). Development of the minor port
at Gopalpur was studied by an expert com-
mittee, which recommended its location in
the existing lagoon. The results of hydraulic
studies for this have not so far been received
from the Central Water and Power Research
Station. Other data as envisaged in the
Expert Committee’s Report are also awaited
from the Orissa Government. In the mean-
time, the State Government have suggested
an alternative site. Detailed information
with respect to the fresh proposals as well as
the result of any hydraulic studies and other
investigations carried out in respect of the
alternative site have been called for from the
State Government and are awaited. As the
scheme has not yet been finalised, it is pre-
mature to indicate the date of its completion.

Amount spent on Development Works
of Ghsndbali Port In Balasore, Orissa

2124. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the
Minister or SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state i

(a) whether the amount of Rs. 2,30,000
which was allotted under the Second Plan
for development works of Ghandbali Port in
the District of Balasore, Orissa had actually
been spent on it ; and

(b) if so, the names of the items on
which the sanctioned amount was being
spent ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b). The information is being collec-
ted from the Government of Orissa, who are
in executive charge of the minor port at
Chandbali. It will be laid on the Table of the
Sabha in due course.

Developing countries receiving foreign

assistance through U. N. Agencies

2125. SHRI ARJUN SETHI :

SHRI pfLOO MODY :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether at the Tenth Conference of
the National Commission for Cooperation
with UNESCO, he had stated that the foreign
assistance received by the developing countries
through the agencies of the United Nations
such as UNESCO frequently led to exploi-
tation of the country receiving such aid as
reporlcd in the Hindustan Times dated the
1st July, 1972 ; and

(b) the implications of his statement ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) What the Minister stated was
as follows :

“Multilateral aid through the Specialised
Agencies of the United Nations should be
normally without strings, but it is also fre-
quently contributory to exploitation of the
country receiving aid”.

(b) The implications have been made
clear in other parts of the Minister’s speech
where while noting that UNESCO’s achieve-
ments, though limited, are still memorable,
he had stated that "the transfer of expertise
and technology to the developing countries
effected through UNESCO is often, though not
always, of a kind that docs not benefit the
developing countries. The creation of institu-
tions and structural framework borrowed al«

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most entirely from foreign sources frequently
has little relevance to indigenous problems
and helps to create a subservient role for the
indigenous scientific and technological efforts."
The Minister's view was that UNESCO's
programmes should be reoriented in order to
help developing countries to utilize their
capacity for national development and mutual
co-operation to the fullest extent. Further,
the Minister stated that UNESCO should
focus its attention on programmes which have
a “multiplier" effect, which relate education
and science to productivity, which contribute
to the improvement of quality, and which
will assist the developing countries to develop
their own expertise as soon as possible.

Revision of Pay Scales of Sales Attendants
of All Day Milk Stall of D. M. S.

2126. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will

the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state : *

(a) whether Government propose to revise
the pay scale of the post of Sales Attendants
at the All Day Milk Stalls of Delhi Milk
Scheme in the light of its responsibility for
handling cash ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The correct
designation of the post is Sales Assistant and
not Sales Attendant. There is no proposal to
revise the pay scale of Sales Assistant. The
Sales Assistants assist the Managers of the
Stall and attend to counter service. Their
duties do not include handling of cash. The
responsibilities attached to the post are not
such as to warrant any revision of pay scale.

Working Hours of All-Day Milk Stalls of
D. M. S. in various offices

2127. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the working hours in all-day
milk stalls of Delhi Milk Scheme are still half-
an-hour more than for those Government
Offices in which buildings these stalls are
located ;

(b) if so, whether any Over-Time Allo-
wance is paid to them for performing their
duties for extra half-an-hour daily, if not, the
reasons^for the same; and

(c) whether Government are considering
to bring the working hours at par with those
of the Government Offices located in the same
buildings and, if not, why not ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes.

(b) No. The 7^ hours work a day does
not entitle these employees to the payment of
overtime

(c) Although a Department of Central
Govt., Delhi Milk Scheme is primarily a
commercial organisation engaged in processing
and sale of milk and milk products. The All
Day Milk Stalls mainly cater to the needs of
the office-going employees working in the
Ministries in which the Stalls are located.
The stalls are opened 15 minutes earlier and
closed 15 minutes later than the working
hours of the Ministries for the convenience
of the office going employees. However the
question of further reduction of the working
hours of the employees of All Day Milk
Stalls is under consideration.

Cases of Gastro-Enteritls and Cholera

2128. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of cases of gastro-entcritis
and cholera leporled in this summer ;

(b) whether this time the incidents of
gastro-enteritis and cholera have been much
more than the year 1971 ;

(d) the steps taken in this regard in the
interest of public life ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAY A) : (a) 72,533 cases

of cholera and gastro-enteritis have been
reported from various States/Union Territories
upto the end of July, 1972.

(b) and (c). Increased incidence has been
reported from the States of Andhra Pradesh,
Gujarat, Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh,
Maharashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Tamil Nadu,
Uttar Pradesh and the Union Territory of
Delhi. This is mainly due to the scarcity of
safe drinking-water following the drought-
like conditions.

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(d) Necessary preventive measures inclu-
ding chlorination of drinking water sources,
isolation and treatment of cases, mass anti-
cholera immunization campaign, health edu-
cation of the people etc., are being carried
out.

Transfer of Sanitation Work of Govern-
ment Colonies to G. P. W. D.

2129. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the sanitation work of the
Government colonies of New Delhi is being
transferred to C. P. W. D. ; and

(b) if so, the reasons thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CII ATTOP ADHY AY A) : (a) Government is
not aware of any such proposal.

(b) Does not arise.

Carrying of Night-soil and Garbage on
Heads

2 1 30. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government arc considering
to put an end to the profession oF scavengers
Carrying on head night soil and garbage ; and

(h) if so, the time by which it will be
implemented ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) It is not possible to fix any time limit
m this regard.

Sugar Famine in 1973

2131. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD

VERMA :

SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to refer to the statement made by
bhri S. K. Sommayya, former President of
the Indian Sugar Mills Association where he
has stated that India will be facing an
unprecedented sugar famine next year and

state what positive steps Government propose
to take in this direction ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH): Referring to a number of in-
accuracies in the earlier report published in the
"Financial Express” of the 19th July, 1972 of
his statement made two days earlier, Shri
Somayya has clarified in a letter to the Editor
of that paper that —

(1) as there is at present a marginal increase
in the cane acreage of about 7-J percent,
the next year’s crop is expected to be
slightly higher ;

(2) competent observers do not put sugar
production in the next year beyond 35
lakh tonnes ;

(3) acute sugar scarcity would arise in case
the Government did not increase the
sugarcane price to make it more remune-
rative to the grower ; and

(4) it was totally incorrect to say that he
felt that the Government action was
reckless and that he had only stated
that the Government policies were more
as a reaction to the current situation
rather than as a result of long term
strategy.

The sugar and sugarcane policy for 1972-
73 with a view to maximising sugar production
is already in an advanced stage of consi-
deration. Government are also making attempts
to accelerate the commissioning of new
factories scheduled to go into production and
the progress of old factories having expansion
programme during 1972-73.

Criticism by Cooperation Minister of
Maharashtra Re. New Sugar Policy

2132. SHRI RAMKANWAR :

DR. H. P. SHARMA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether attention of the Govern-
ment of India has been invitedL to a statement
made by the Maharashtra Minister for Coope-
ration, Shri Y. J. Mohite (published in the
Indian Express of the 1st July, 1972) branding
as "unscientific and wrong” the new sugar
policy of the Government of India ;

(b) whether Mr. Mohite’s statement has

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151

been carefully examined by the Government
of India ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). The new sugar policy of
statutory partial control, which came into
effect from the 1st July, 1972, is basically a
continuation of the informally agreed arrange-
ment, which operated for six months from
the 1st January, 1972. As a sector of the
industry expressed its inability to continue
the informal arrangement beyond the 30th
June, 1972, it became necessary for the
Government to promulgate the Levy Sugar
Supply (Control) Older, 1972, Sugar (Price
Determination) Order, 1972 and other ancil-
lary orders under the provisions of the Essen-
tial Commodities Act. the sugar prices
had to be determined under the Act inter alia
on the basis of the minimum notified canc
prices, the notified ex-factory prices of sugar
in most of the zones worked out to be less
than Rs. 150 per quintal, which was the price
which prevailed uniformly under the informal
arrangement. The Government of India feel
that in the circumstances that emerged as a
result of a sector of the industry withdrawing
from the informal arrangement, the action
taken by them was inevitable and correct.

Implications of Fixing of Low Levy
Prices of Sugar

2133. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether attention of the Government
of India has been invited to a report in the
“Economic Times” of 23rd June, 1972, stating
that distribution of sugar from fair price shops
is likely to go out of gear following the lower
levy prices fixed by the Union Government ;
and

(b) the reaction of the Government of
India in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY" OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A few sugar factories have actually
filed writ petitions in Courts and obtained
interim orders restraining the Government
from enforcing the Sugar (Price Deter mina-

tion) Order, 1972 , subject to the factories
providing bank guarantees for the difference
between the prices fixed by the Government
and the actual sale prices. This development
has disturbed the smooth working of the levy
system of distribution of sugar both in regard
to its price and quantity in some areas. On
the whole, about 90.3% of the levy sugar
has been despatched by the factories during
July, 1972 and the period of validity of levy
releases for July, 1972 in the case of factories
covered by the interim orders of the Allahabad
High Court has been extended by three
weeks.

Steps for Consolidation of Agricultural
Holdings

2134. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) steps Government at the Centres and
the States are adopting for the consolidation
fragments of agricultural land ;

(b) the size of a fragment, below which
further sub-division in the various States is
forbidden by law or usage ; and

(c) whether it is contemplated to change
the laws of inheritencc of agricultural land by
Constitutional Amendments or otherwise to
avoid further sub-division and fragmentation
of agiicultural holdings ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The
Fourth Five Year Plan has given considerable
emphasis on the programme of Consolidation
of Holdings. During the Fourth Plan a pro-
vision of Rs. 28.76 crores has been made by
the Stales to consolidate an area of 9.4 lakh
hectares. Work of consolidation of holdings
has been completed in Punjab and Haryana
and much progress has been made in Uttar
Pradesh, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh.
Progress achieved so far in different States
is given in the Statement enclosed.

(b) Legislative provisions have been
made for prevention of sub-divisions and
fragmentations of holdings below the prescri-
bed minimum areas in the following
States :

Andhra Pradesh (Telengana Area)

Assam

Bihar

Gujarat

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Haryana Rajasthan

Madhya Pradesh

Uttar Pradesh

Maharashtra

West Bengal, Manipur, and Tripura.

Mysore

Punjab

titution is under consideration now.

Statement

(Thousand Hectares)

State

Area consolidated

Information relates to the period ending

Andhra Pradesh

1971

Bihar

1971

Gujarat

1028

Sept., 1971

Haryana

4129

March, 1972

Jammu and Kashmir

March, 1972

Madhya Pradesh

3179

March, 1972

Maharashtra

7584

March, 1972

Mysore

803

• March, 1972

Punjab

4737

March, 1972

Rajasthan

1744

1971

Uttar Pradesh

10663

March, 1972

Delhi

1972

Himachal Pradesh

360

1972

Cost Benefit Ratio of Family Planning

measures of cost effectiveness have been dis-

2135. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN-
NING be pleased to state :

cussed in fairly great detail in an article on
“The population Growth and Economic
Welfare" by Warren G. Robinson in the
Reports on Population/Fainily Planning No.

(a) the cost benefit ratio of family plan- 6* February, 71.

ning measures like I U.C.D. contractivcs and
Vasectomy ; and

Minimum Land Holding fit for Power
Tiller

(b) how this cost benefit ratio is
computed ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Some
attempts have been made by various research
workers to estimate the cost benefit ratio for
individual methods of family planning. These
arc shown in the statement laid on the Table
the House [Placed in Library . See No. LT 3388/
72].

(b) For working out the cost benefit
ratio the economic value of a birth averted
due to the family planning method is related
to the estimated cost per birth averted during
^ particular year. The methodologies for
working out the cost benefit ratio and various

2136. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the minimum size* of an agricultuiists
land holding computed on the basis of stand-
ard acres that is considered adequate to
sustain economically its cultivation by a power
tiller ;

(b) the minimum size of a fragment of
land on which power tiller can be operated ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No scien-
tific study has been carried out to determine
the minimum *ize of holding adequate to
economically sustain its cultivation by a power
tiller.

(b) The size of the fragment of land on

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which a power tiller can be operated depends
on the size of the power tiller. A 4-5 H. P.
power tiller could easily be operated in fields
measuring about 8x6 meters for regular
agriculture.

Investment of Small Farmers Develop-
ment Agencies

2137. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the total investment by the Centre on
the small Farmers Development Agencies in
the country and the State-wise break-up
thereof ;

(b) whether these Agencies are managed
by the Small Farmers themselves and if so,
their precise constitution, functions and the
modus operandi ; and

(c) whether the precise dffinition of the
term farmer has been evolved in each State,
and if so, the main features thereof and the
detailed position about disposal of applications
for aid and assistance from Small Farmers in
each State ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) A statement (State-

ment I) giving the amount released upto
9th August, 1972 to the Small Farmers Deve-
lopment Agencies, Statewise, is laid on the
Table of the House. [Placed in Library . See No.
LT-3389/72]. Broadly, each Small Farmers
Development Agencies will get a grant ofRs,
150 Lakhs over the project period.

(b) No Sir. The Agencies are registered
under Societies Registration Act and have
generally the District Collector/ Deputy Com-
missioner as Chairman, Representation has
been provided for Small Farmers on the
Agencies. The draft constitution etc. of the
Agency (Statement II) is laid on the Table
of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-
3389/72].

(c) Small Farmers are to be identified
from among those cultivators having holdings
between one and three hectares, generally.
Details of disposal of applications for aid
from Small Farmers in all the Agencies are
not available.

Ezccm expenditure incurred by States for
Crash Programme for Rural Employment

2138. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will

the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased

to state :

(a) the names of States which have
exceeded the expenditure allotted by the
Central Government on crash programme for
rural employment scheme and the names of
States which spent less than the allotted
amount in 1971-72 ; and

(b) the reaction of Government thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The States of Andhra
Pradesh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu have
exceeded the expenditure allocated by the
Central Government under Crash Scheme for
Rural Employment. The rest of the States
have spent less than the amount allocated to
them.

(b) Some States could not spend fully
the money allotted to them for a number of
reasons. Since 1971-72 was the first year of
operation of Crash Scheme for Rural Em-
ployment various administrative and pro-
cedural problems had to be solved. Then, for
certain States there were special problems
created by the Indo-Pak conflict, influx of
refugees etc. All State Governments have
been requested to step up the tempo during
1972-73 so as to achieve the maximum
targets.

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Training In New Strategy • of Agriculture
Under Farmers Training and Education
Programme

2143. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether covering 10 Districts in the
country nearly 14 lakh farmers including
men and women farmers, have been trained
in the new strategy of agriculture under the
Farmers Training and Education Programme ;
and

(b) if so, the names of the district with
the States ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) Yes, Under
the Centrally Sponsord Scheme of the Farmers
Training and Education, 100 districts have
been established in the country to provide
essential support to agricultural production
effort. Total number of farmers (men and
women) trained up to 30th June, 1972 is
nearly 14 lakh as per details given in State-
ment I laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT-3390/72].

(b) The Statewise names of 100 Districts
covered under * the programme are given in
Statement II laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library, See No. LT-3390/72].

Earnings of Shipping Corporation of India
and Indian Shipping In Private Sector

2144. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-

PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Shipping Corporation of
India has earned a profit of Rs. 7.25 crore
during the fiscal year 1971-72 ;

(b) if so, the total tonnage of Indian
Shipping including both public and private
sector; and

(c) whether the earnings of private sector
of Indian Shipping are proportionately higher
and if so, the reasons for the same ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) Yes, Sir. Though the balance sheet for
the year 1971-72 has not yet been published,
the Shipping Corporation of India is estimated
to make a profit of about Rs. 7.25 crores
during the year 1971-72 ;

(b) The total operative tonnage of all
Indian shipping companies as on 31.3.72 was
as follows :

Private Sector 12,95,314 GRT

Public Sector . . 12,25,106 GRT

Total : 25,20,420 GRT

(c) No, Sir. The returns of the Shipping
Corporation of India on the total capital
employed calculated for the last 10 years
comes to an average of 8.17 per cent which is
higher than the returns of other private sectoi
shipping companies of comparable size engaged
in similar operations.

Finalisation of Fisheries Project in Mysore

2145. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to refer to the reply given to Unstarred ques-
tion No. 1735 on the 3rd April, 1972 regard-
ing development of deep sea fishing industry
in Mysore and state further progress of
fisheries project to develop Malpe and
Hounavar Ports as fishing harbours and to
provide facilities in and around Karwar for
fishing and preservation of fish ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The project
proposed by the Government of Mysore for
development of fisheries at Malpe, Honnavar
and Karwar with assistance from the World
Bank is under examination with reference to
the terms and conditions of World Bank

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162

assistance for such projects. In the meantime,
detailed project Reports including plans and
estimates for fishing harbours at Malpe and
Honnavar have prepared by the UNDP
Project for Pre-Investment Survey of fishing
harbours. The estimated cost of the fishing
harbours proposed for Malpe and Honnavar
is Rs. ?75.00 lakhs and Rs. 41.45 lakhs
respectively. The question of sanctioning
these harbours is under examination in
consultation with the Ministry of Finance. So
far as Karwar fishing harbour is concerned,
a total amount of Rs 25.99 lakhs has been
sanctioned so far by the Government of India
between 1967 and 1972. The facilities
provided at Karwar include a wharf, slipway
and auction hall. Under the provision of the
Indo-Norwegian Agreement, a fishermen’s
training centre, a boat building yard with a
servicing station and workshop, an ice plant,
and cold storage and freezing plant have
been provided.

Long-Term Development Programme for

Fishing Potential on Coastal Areas

2146. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGII : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a long-term development
programme to exploic the fishing potential
along the thousands of miles of coast line
covering many States has been drawn ; and

(b) if so, the main features of it ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The Deep Sea Surwy Organisation (establis-
hed in 1946) in coordination with the Central
Marine Fisheries Research Institute (started
m 1947), and the Indo-Norwegian Project
(1953-71) have been conducting exploratory
and experimental fishing, and biological and
oceanographic studies, on a continuing basis,
with a view to assessing the fishery resources
of our seas. Charting of resources up to a
depth of 25 fathoms (150 feet) ha3 been
ea»ried out extensively, and in some areas
exploiatory work has been conducted upto
about 40 fathoms. In the southern stretch of
tlu* coast, from Mangalore on the West to
Mandaparn on the East, surveys have been
conducted at much greater depths, and
valuable resources of deep sea shrimp and
lobster htfve been located between 100 and
^5 fathoms. The emphasis until recently has
been on demersal stocks, i. e„ stocks occurring

close to the sea bottom. Increasing attention
is now being given to pelagic stocks, i. e.,
surface and mid- water stocks. A five-year
programme of investigation of pelagic fishery
resources along the South West Coast was
taken up with UNDP assistance in 1971.
A proposal for a similar UNDP assisted survey
on the East Coast has been submitted to
UNDP for consideration. During the 5th
Plan, which is now being formulated, it is
proposed to expand the activities of the Deep
sea Survey Organisation and the Central
Marine Fisheries Research Institute by provi-
ding larger vessels with a wider range of
operation. The Indo-Norwegian Project is
proposed to be continued as an Intergratcd
Project for Fisheries Development. Proposals
are also being cansidercd for the conduct of
special surveys and experimental fishing for
tuna, which is a valuable variety of fish with
export potential.

•

Study Team on Development of dry land
Agriculture

2147. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the members of the
Study team on the Development of Dry Land
Agriculture (and Dry Farming Technology)
set up by the Government of India :

(b) the date on which the Study Team
was set up ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The names
of the members of the Study Team are given
below :

1. Dr. A. S, Chcema, Agriculture Commi-
ssioner.

* ' Chairman

2. Dr. J. S. Kanwar, Deputy Director
General, ICAR.

* 'Alternate Chairman

3. Dr, A. M. Michael, (Water Techno-
logy Centre) I. A. R. I., New Delhi.

• ■ Member

4. Dr. D. P. Motiramani,

Jawaharlal Nehru Vidyalaya, Jabbalpur.

• • Member

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5. Dr. N. D. Rege, Joint Commissioner
(SC).

• * Member

6. Dr. G. A. Patel,

Director of Agriculture, Gujarat.

■ 'Member

7. Dr. Ranbir Singh. Director of Agricul-
ture, Rajasthan.

Membtr

8. Shri P. S. Majumdar,

Chief (Agri.), Planning Commission.

'Member

9. Dr. K. N. Synghal,

Director (Dry Farming)

■ ■ Member Secretary.

(b) The Study Team was set up on 3rd
January, 1972.

Extension of Panchayati Raj to all States
and Union Territories

2148. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PAR ASH AR : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Panchayati Raj does not
extend to all the States and Union territories
of the country ;

(b) if so, whether it is contemplated to
extend it to all the States and Union territories
and to persuade the Slates in which it is not
implemented ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Panchayati
Raj extends to all the States and Union
Territories in the country except Jammu and
Kashmir, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya,
Manipur, Tripura, Delhi, Goa, Daman and
Diu, Pondicherry, Andaman and Nicobar
Islands, Dadra and Nagar Haveli, Laccadive,
Minicoy and Amindive Islands and Mizoram.

Panchayati Raj is a State subject and the
Central Government has been constantly
urging upon the State Governments and
Union Territory Administrations the need for
rarly implementation of the Panchayati Raj
Programme. The approach to policy on

Community Development and Panchayati Raj
was last considered by the Conference of
States* Ministers in-charge of Community
Development and Panchayati Raj held at
Madras in June, 1968. The Conference
commended that “Panchayati Raj as the
instrument of democratic decentralisation
should continue, the question of three-tier or
two-tier structure being left to the option of
the States.’* No time limit has, however,
been envisaged for this.

Study of Rural Unemployment by some
Institutions

2149. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether 12 studies have been carried
out in different parts of the country through
the Agro-Economic Research Centres and
other research bodies to ascertain the nature
and extent of xural unemployment and the
impact of Crash Scheme for Rural Employ-
ment ;

(b) whether the institutions have comple-
ted their surveys and reports have been submit-
ted to the Government ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). Yes Sir. These
studies are in progress. The major portion of
surveys is over. The Government expect to
receive the reports shortly.

Recommendation of Central Land
Reforms Committee, 1970

2150. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the Members of the
Central Land Reforms Committee, to which
the Conference of Chief Ministers referred to
problems connected with ceiling on land
holdings ; and

(b) the exact recommendations of this
Committee, as made in its repot t in August,
1970 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Central

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Land Reforms Committee is composed of the
following :

1. Minister of Agriculture — Chairman

2. Minister of Law and Justice — Member

3. Minister of Planning — Member

4. Minister of State in the

Ministry of Agriculture — Member

5. Minister of State in the

Ministiy of Home Affairs — Member

6. Member (Agriculture) Planning

Commission — Member

The Chief Ministers of Bihar, Himachal
Pradesh, Maharashtra, Punjab and Tamil
Nadu were co-opted as members of the
Central Land Reforms Committee to consider
problems connected with the ceiling on land
holdings.

(b) The Central Land Rcfoims Commi-
ttee was set up in September 1970. It submi-
tted its rtxommcndations in August 1971 and
not in August 1970. The Recommendations
of the Committee were as follows :

( i ) Ceiling should be applicable for
the family as a whole, the term
‘family* being defined so as to
include husband, wife and minor
children ,

(ii) When* the number of members in
the family exceeds five, additional
land may be allowed for each
memb< r in excess of five in such
a manner that the total area
admissible to the family docs not
exceed twice the ceiling limit for
a family ;

(ni) The ceiling for a family of five
members may be fixed within the
range of 10 to 18 acres of pere-
nnially irrigated land or land
under assured irrigation from
Government source capable of
glowing two crops. As soil condi-
tions, productivity of land, nature
of crop grown etc. vary from
State to State and even within
the same State from region to
region, the Committee considered
it desirable simply to indicate a
range within which the ceiling
should be fixed instead of sugges-
ting any rigid ceiling for the
whole country ;

(iv) For various other categories of
land conversion ratios should be
fixed taking into account availa-
bility of water, productivity, soil
classification, crops grown etc.
The absolute ceiling for a family
of five, even in the case of dry
lands should be put at 54 acres.
This limit would be relaxable if
there is special justification for
doing so on account of the nature
of soil, rainfall, chronic drought
conditions etc.

(v) Exemptions in the existing State
Laws in favour of mechanised
farms, well-managed farms etc.
should be withdrawn ;

(vi) The exemption in favour of plan-
tations of tea, coffee, cardamom,
rubber ^tc., should be carefully
examined in consultation with the
Ministries concerned and State
Governments. Thereafter this
and other types of exemptions
should be discussed with the Chief
Ministers in order to formulate
the national policy.

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Faith Homes ran by Christian
Missionaries

2152. DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of ‘faith homes’ in India
run by Christian Missionaries ;

(b) the activities of the faith homes ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). The information is
being collected and will be laid on the Table
of the House in due course.

Elimination of Communal and Caste
Influence in Education

2153. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :

SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether communalism and casteism

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still exercise considerable influence in the
sphere of education :

(b) whether any efforts have been made
by the Centre to eliminate such communal
and caste influences on education ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :

(a) Government have received reports that
Communalism and Casteism manifest them-
selves on certain occasion in varying degiees
in national life and this has its repercussion
in certain spheres of educations

(b) To counteract and ultimately elimi-
nate such influences, Government have been
taking several steps to promote positive attitu-
des of integration, rationalism and secularism
in the academic community. These include
inter-Statc and other types of student camps
where young people of various communities,
castes and regions live together and learn to
appreciate each other’s culture and tradition,
establishment of national integration samitis
in universities and colleges to promote attitu-
des of integration, bringing out text materials
which instil concepts of integration and
secularism, necessary orientation of teachers,
bringing together writers of different regions
so that they develop mutual understanding
and appreciation which will in turn be reflec-
ted in their books, etc.

(c) It needs persistent, continuous and
long-term effort to bieak down long- entrenched
attitudes and mores. Nevertheless, the steps
taken so far have brought about better under-
standing within the academic community, and
Government have every hope that with conti-
nued effort, the objective will be ultimately
achieved.

Codification of Privileges of Parliament

2154. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will
the Minister of PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal to
codify the privileges of Parliament ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) No, Sir.

(b) Question does not arise.

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Separate Pool of Residences for Staff of
Hospitals in the Capital

2155. SHRI R. S. PANDEY :

SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state
whether Government is considering to create
a separate pool of residences for allotment
to the staff working in Government Hospitals
in the Capital keeping in view the nature of
their duties, in the public interest ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CH ATTOPADI I Y AYA) : Yes. So far as the
(i) Safdaijang (ii) Willingdon and (iii) Lady
Hardinge and Kalavati Saran Children
Hospitals with which the Central Government
is concerned there is a proposal to have a
pool of residences for the staff separately for
each of these hospitals.

Disposal of D. D. A. Residential Plots by
Public Auction

2156. SHRI R S PANDEY : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether most of the plots of land
developed by the Delhi Development Authori-
ty for residential pui poses are disposed of by
public auction and sold at very high prices ;

(b) whether such plots of land are pur-
chased by the richer class of society as per-
sons belonging to middle income or lower
income groups cannot afford to purchase
them in auction ; if so, reasons for not allot-
ing these plots to people on fixed rates by
draw of lots ; and

(c) whether Government propose to
advise the Delhi Development Authority to
offer these plots of land to the public on rea-
sonable fixed rates or fix some quota of the
plots which would be put to auction in future
to enable the salaried class to purchase these
plots of land for residential purposes ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. So
far, the Delhi Development Authority have
allotted 13,060 residential plots. Out of these,

6,460 have been allotted at fixed price, and
not by auction.

(b) and (c). The policy of disposing of a cer-
tain quantum of developed land by auction is
intended to raise funds which are ploughed
back for investment in infrastructural facili-
ties and services, for subsidising housing for
the lower income groups and for provision
and maintenance of greens and public
open spaces. Some developed plots are
earmarked for allotment at pre-determined
rates by draw of lots to persons in the low
and middle income groups. All persons can
participate in open auction of developed
plots provided they do not have a plot or
house already in Delhi either in their own
name or in the name of their husband/wife
or dependent children.

Area of Land under Sugar-cane Cultiva-
tion

2157. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the total area of land at present
under cultivation of sugar-cane in the coun-
try and the additional land which is proposed
to be brought under its cultivation in different
States ; and

(b) the steps being taken to implement
this decision and its expected yield during the
current year ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) and (b).
Estimates of area and production of sugar-
cane during the current year (1972-73) arc
not yet available. While there are no specific
plans for bringing additional area under its
cultivation, there are indications that the area
under the crop m the country would show an
increase over 1971-72

Admission to Pre-medical Courses of
Delhi University

2158. SHRI R. S. PANDEY ; Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a large number of students
securing first class marks have been denied
admission to the pre-Medical course of Delhi
University this year owing to its meagre in-
take capacity of seats for this course ;

(b) whether rush of this course has been
increasing for the last few years ; and

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(c) if so, reasons for not increasing the
intake capacity of the institutions and what
steps aie now being taken to accommodate
students in the pr^Medical course of the
Delhi University ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord-
ing to the information furnished by Delhi
University 486 candidates who had obtained
67% and below marks but above 60% marks
could not be admitted to the Pre-Medical
Course.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) On account of limited physical faci-
lities in the colleges it is not possible for the
University to inciease the intake capacity.
The students who have not been able to
obtain admission in the Pre-Medical course,
are now eligible for admission to second year
B. Sc. (Hons.) class in Botany and Zoology.

Admission to College of Professional
Studies, Delhi

2159. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been a rush of
students for admission to the College of Pro-
fessional Studies recently started by the
Delhi University and many students have
not been able to get admission because of its
limited intake capacity ;

(b) the subjects offered by this institu-
tion ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) 1500
students applied for admission to the various
courses m the College of Vocational Studies.
The first list of 412 candidates was announ-
ced by the University on July 10, 1972. Out
of this list only 181 students turned up for
admission. The second list of 209 candidates
was announced the next day, out of whom
123 came for admission. Subsequently three
more lists were announced and it was on
July 28, 1972 only that the admission could
be completed. The total number of students'
admitted to the College is 407.

(b) During the academic year 1972-73

the following six subjects will be introduced
as an integral part of the B. A. (Pass) course :

(i) Tourism ;

(ii) Book- Publishing;

(iii) Insurance ;

(lv) Retailing and Trade ;

(v) Store-Keeping and Stores Account-
ing ; and

(vi) Office Management and Secretary-
ship.

Post-Matric Scholarship to S. C. and S. T.

Students

2160. SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state the amount of
post-matric scholarships offered by the Centre
as well as State Governments, State -wise, to
the students belonging to the Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes during 1969-70, 1970-71
and 1971-72 ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO-
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : A statement is laid on tbc Table
of the Sabha. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-
3391/72 ].

Closure of British India Steam Naviga-
tion Company

2161. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO-
DKAR : Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Century old monopoly
of the British India Steam Navigation Com-
pany on the Indo-West Asian passenger run
is to end soon ; and

(b) if so, what alternative arrangements
for the same have been made ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a)
and (b). The Mogul Line Ltd., a public sector
spipping company, have started a passenger-
cum-cargo service between Bombay and West
Asia Gulf ports from 26th June, 1972, with
their new vessel M. V. Akbar. With this,
the monopoly of the British India Steam
Navigation Company on this route will end.

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Linking of Cooperative Credit with Co*
operative Marketing Societies

2162. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state:

(a) how many State Marketing Federation
have completed the study of the operation of
the scheme of linking of cooperative credit
with cooperative marketing in any particular
district of the State ;

(b) the action taken by the National
Cooperative Development Cooperation on the
report of the Kerala State Cooperative Mar-
keting Federation ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNAS AHEB P. SHINDE) x (a) Only Kerala
State Cooperative Marketing Federation has
completed a sample study of the operation of
the scheme of linking of cooperative credit
with marketing in two Talukas of Calicut and
I’alghat Districts.

(b) The comments of the Government of
Kerala have been invited on receipt of which
further action will he taken by the N C D.G.

(c) A Ramplc study of the working of
Cooperative Marketing Societies, with parti-
cular reference of the progress in the imple-
mentation of the scheme of linking of coopera-
tive credit with cooperative marketing in
Ajmer District of Rajasthan, conducted by
the Jodhpur University, revealed certain short-
comings in the operation of the scheme, This
prompted the N. C. D. C. to suggest to all
State Cooperative Marketing Federations to
undertake similar studies in one of the districts
in their respective States, with a view to
identifying and remedying the shortcomings
of the scheme.

Financial Assistance to Rice Mills for
Modernisation

2163. SHRI P, A. SAMINATHAN : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the State-wise break-up of 48 existing
conventional rice mills which had been given
financial assistance for modernisation ;

(b) how many of them have been modcr*
nised so far ; and

prohlems relating to the organisation, establish-
ment, financing and working of these rice mills
which were discussed in the All India Con-
ference on Cooperative Rice Mills held at
Hyderabad in ‘November, 1971 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A statement
is laid on the Table of the House.

(b) Ten.

(c) The recommendations of the Con-
ference held at Hyderabad were communi-
cated to the State Governments and the apex
cooperative marketing Federations, who have
to initiate necessary action in the matter.
The N. C. D. C. provides 75% of the block
capital requirements for establishment of
modern rice mills in the cooperative sector,
under a Central Sector Scheme. It is also
providing assisttnee for the margin money
requirements of the rice mills to enable them
to raise adequate working capital from the
scheduled/commercial banks which have been
advised by the Reserve Bank of India to
liberally provide such assistance to modern
rice mills in the cooperative sector.

A special Working Group was constituted
to go into the difficulties faced by the coopera-
tive rice mills. As recommended by the
Group, the State Governments and the F. C.
I. have been advised to utilise cooperative
rice mills to the maximum extent possible for
the milling of paddy and also to increasingly
utilise the cooperatives in their procurement
operations. Arrangements have also been
made with the Indian Institute of Technology
Kharagpur, to conduct suitable courses for
training senior technical personnel of coopera-
tive rice mills. Besides, rice mill machinery
manufacturers have been requested to provide
efficient after-sales service and they have
agreed to do so.

Name of the State

No. of rice mills which
were assisted for moder-
nisation.

I. Andhra Pradesh

2. Assam

3. Bihar

4. Madhya Pradesh

5. Orissa

6. West Bengal

7. Mysore

Total 48

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Blueprints by National Cooperative
Development Corporation or Cooperatives
for establishing Agricultural processing
Units

2164. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of model blueprints for-
mulated and circulated by the National
Cooperative Development Corporation during
the past three years for the purpose of pro-
viding guidelines to the cooperatives for and
establishment of agriculture processing units ;

(b) the number of agricultural processing
units established during the past three years
on the basis of model blueprints provided by
N. C. D. C. ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB. P. SHINDE) : (a) The National
Cooperative Development Corporation formu-
lated and circulated 15 model blueprints for the
purpose of providing guidelines to the coope-
ratives, for establishment of agricultural pro-
cessing units, during the last three years, i. e.
1969-70 to 1971-72.

(b) 56 cooperative processing units were
organised during the last three years based on
the model blueprints circulated by the N. C.
D. C.

Utilisation of Sugar bye-Prodncts by
Sugar Factories

2165. SHRI V. MAY A VAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the names of locations of 14 sugar
factories which have taken up projects for the
utilisation of sugar bye-produrts ;

(b) whether any assessment has been
made of the difficulties faced by other coopera-
tive sugar factories in setting up projects for
the utilisation of sugar bye -products ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) So far as bagasse is concer-
ned, M/s. Shctkari Sahakari Sakhar Kar-
khana Ltd., Sangli, (Maharashtra) have
obtained a Letter of Intent for setting up a
plant for the manufacture of newsprint with

an annual capacity of 44,500 tonnes, based on
bagasse. Molasses is mainly used as raw
material in distillation industry. At present
37 sugar factories have distilleries attached to
them for the manufacture of industrial alcohol,
rectified spirit and potable liquors.

(b) and (c). The industries making use of
the bye -products of the sugar industry as raw
material are being looked after by different
Ministries. A co-ordinated assessment of the
difficulties faced by the cooperative sugar
factories in setting up such projects does not
appear to have been made so far.

Steps by National Cooperative Develop-
ment Corporation regarding Installation
of Sugar Factories on Cooperative basis

2166. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state t

(a) the steps taken by the National Co-
operative Development Corporation as a result
of the discussions held with the representatives
of newly licensed sugar cooperatives on the
5th and 6th July, 1971, at Poona, regarding
the difficulties being faced by them in complet-
ing the installation of their factories ; and

(b) how many factories have started
production as a result of the efforts of the
N. C. D. C. ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The N. C.
D. C. has taken the following steps in the
matter : —

(i) Raising of share capital

The State Governments have been request-
ed to enhance the Plan provisions for contri-
bution towards the share capital of sugar
cooperatives. In the case of some States, the
Plan provisions have been enhanced. However,
there is still a constraint of availability of
resources.

The sugar factories have been advised to
persuade cane growers to avail of facilities
available from the Reserve Bank of India for
medium term loans for purchase of shares in
newly lincensed cooperative sugar factories.
The Reserve Bank of India has also been
requested to simplify the scheme so as to
make it easy to operate,

(Ii) Availability of long term finances

The N. C. D. C. has maintained close

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liaison with the Industrial Finance Corporation
and is also represented on the Sugar Industry
Loan Advisory Committee of the IFC.

The IFC convened a Conference of all
newly licensed cooperative sugar factories in
April 1972, and there is now little difficulty
for eligible cooperative sugar factories in
obtaining loan from the Industrial Finance Cor-
poration for their block capital requirements.

(iii) Supply of plant and machinery

Liaison is being maintained with the
Ministry of Industrial Development, which
organised a meeting with manufacturers of
sugar mills machinery, and various measures
have been initiated to expedite, to the extent
possible, the supply of plant and machinery
ordered by sugar factories.

(tv) Development of sugarcane

The State Governments have been advised
to take special steps for the development of
sugarcane in the command area of newly
licensed sugar factories. The matter is being
followed up by the N. C. D. C.

(b) Subsequent to the Poona Conference,
6 new cooperative sugar factories have gone
into production.

Cooperative Sugar Factories

2167. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the names and location of 74 coope-
rative sugar factories to whom an amount of
Rs. 65. 83 crores has been sanctioned as loan
up to June, 197 1 mentioned in para 23 of
Report, 1971-72 of Ministry of Agriculture
(Department of Cooperation) ; and

(b) the names and location of cooperative
sugar factories which are yet to pay the
initial loan back to the Industrial Finance
Corporation of India ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A state-
ment is laid on the Table of the House*
[Placed in Library . See No. L-T 3392/72].

(b) The cooperative sugar factories which
have been marked with in the statement laid
0n the Table of the House have yet to pay
fully the initial loan obtained from the

Industrial Finance Corporation of India,

Non-Cooperation of Sugar Manufacturers
with Government

2168. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the sugar manufacturers have
decided not to co-operate with the Govern-
ment and not to accept the verdict of the
Government since 1st July, 1972 ; and

(b) the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). A number of
sugar factories have filed writ petitions in
the Supreme Court and the various High
Courts, and obtained interim orders restrain-
ing the Government from enforcing the Sugar
(Price Determination) Order, 1972, fixing
the prices of levy fugar, subject to the facto-
ries providing bank guarantees for the deffer-
ence between the notified prices and the
prices at which the sugar is actually sold by
them. The matter is sub judice .

Popularising Hindi In Eastern Region

2169. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Hindi Shiksha Samiti
has recommended that special attention
should be paid to popularising Hindi in the
eastern region of the country, specially in the
recently constituted States ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto and the steps taken in this direc-
tion ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF lEDUCATION AND SO*
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA*
SWAMY) : (a) At the meeting of the
Hindi Shiksha^ Samiti held on the 18th July,
1972, the representative from Meghalaya
suggested that special attention should be
paid for the spread of Hindi in the eastern
States.

(b) The Government of India will consi-
der favourably any request received cither
from the concerned State, Governments or
from the Voluntary Hindi Organisations for
financial assistance required for propagation
of Hindi in these States.

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Agency for opening Small and Marginal
Farmers Development Scheme in each
District

2170. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have set up any
Agency for opening Small Farmers’ and
Marginal Farmers’ agencies in each District
in the country for the benefit of Small and
Marginal Farmers ;

(b) if so, the total number of such Small
Farmers’ and Marginal Farmers* Agencies
set up so far in the country ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No Sir.

(b) The pilot experiment of setting up
SFDA/MFAL Agencies has been taken up in
87 selected project areas of the country.

(c) According to the Progress reports
received from the Agencies, upto 31st May,
1972, 1.5 lakh small farmers under the SFDA
and 0.47 lakh marginal farmers and agricul-
tural labourers under the MFALs have been
benefited under various programmes.

Storage Capacity of Foodgrains

2171. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the existing capacity of the storage
of foodgrains in India as on the 30th June,
1972 ;

(b) the quantity of foodgrains procured
by various State Governments in the country
during this year upto 30th June, 1972 ;

(c) whether some quantity of foodgrains
is still lying in open due to paucity of storage
facilities, if so, the steps taken by Govern-
ment to protect these foodgrains ; and

(d) the quantity of foodgrains damaged
due to lack of storage facilities in the country
during the last three years ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The
owned Storage capacity with Government
Agencies as on 31.3.1972 was as under:—

(in million tonnes )

Agency

Capacity

Food Corporation of India

4.33

State Governments

1.69

Central Warehousing Cor-

0.89

poration.

State Warehousing Cor-

0.35

porations.

Cooperatives

3.10

10.36

(b) A quantity of 8.3 million tonnes of
foodgrains has been procured upto the 30th
June, 1972, during the current Kharif and
Rabi procurement seasons.

(c) All procured foodgiains have been
kept under covered storage including cover
and plinth (GAP) storage. The owned capa-
city lias been supplemented by hired capacity
by the various Agencies.

(d) Foodgrains procured on Central
account have not been damaged due to lack
of storage facilities.

Smuggling of Priceless Fossils from Pun-
jab University to Yale University

2172. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the smuggling of priceless
Fossils from Punjab University, Chandigarh to
Yale University, in violation of the contract ;

(b) if so, the action Government propose
to take or have taken in the matter ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASANj: (a) The Punjab
University has not reported any such case.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

House Sites to Landless Workers in Kerala

2173. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

DR. HENRY AUSTIN :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether any scheme regarding pro*

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vision of house sites to landless workers in
rural areas was forwarded by the Government
of Kerala ;

(b) if so, the nature of the assistance
sought from the Central Government ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The Government of Kerala had
sought Central assistance amounting to about
Rs. 8 crores ; comprising about Rs. 6 crores
for acquisition of land required for providing
house-sites to the landless workers in rural
areas, and Rs. 2 ciores towards development
of these sites.

(c) The Central Government have sanc-
tioned the projec ts for provision of 9(3,000
house sites, in 960 Panchayat areas. The
State Government have also been sanctioned
grant- in-atd of Rs. 2.74 crores during the
current financial year, out of which Rs. 2 02
crores is intended to meet 33-1/3% of the
cost of acquisition of about 46$ 1 acres of
land. The balance 66.2/3% of the cost of
land will be paid to the owners of the land
m the form of negotiable bonds to be re-
el cenicd by the State Government during the
next to financial years. The Government
of India will, in turn, reimburse these
amounts (as and when they become due) to
the State Government.

The remaining Rs. 72 lakhs of the sanc-
tioned Central assistance would cover 50%
of the cost of development of 96,000 house-
sites. The balance of 50% expenditure on
development of these sites will be arranged
by the State Government through voluntary
labour/contributions by the beneficiaries etc.

Grants given to Bogus Harijan Welfare
Organisation

2174. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India have
received complaints that giants have been
Riven during the last many years in the names

bogus Harijan welfare organisations who
d° not exist ;

(b) if so, whether any enquiry had been

conducted by Government and if so, with
what results ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) :

(a) No.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Supply of Helicopters by a Japanese firm
for Agricultural purpose

2175. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have approached
a Japanese firm about the possibility of supply-
ing 40 helicopters for agricultural purposes
recently ;

(b) if so, whether any reply has since been
received from that firm ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

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Role of Catholic Bishops Against the
Government Policy of Unifying fees in
Government and Private Colleges in
Kerala

2180. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been drawn to the fact that Catholic
Bishops in Kerala had taken direct part in
organising their religious followers in that
State, against the policy of Government in
unifying the fees in Government and private
colleges ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Efforts are being made to bring about
a settlement.

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190

Applications for Licences to start Indust-
ries in M. P.

2182. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of applications received
by Government from individuals and Compa-
nies from January 1970 to 31st March, 1972
for licences to start industries in Madhya
Pradesh with names of the applicants and the
nature of industries they wanted to start and
how many of them have been issued licences ;
and

(b) the location of the industries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (bj. The number of applications for
licences for the establishment of new indust-
ries in Madhya Pradesh received during the
period 1.1.70 to 30.6.72 is 126. Six industrial
licences and 44 letters of intent for new
industries in Madhya Pradesh have been issued
during this period. Details of pending appli-
cations are normally not disclosed. The details
of all the liccnces/letters of intent issued,
showing also the industry to which they relate
and location etc., are regularly published in
the weekly ‘Bulletin of Industrial Licences,
Import Licences and Export Licences’, the
weekly ‘Indian Trade Journal', and the monthly
‘Journal of Industry and Trade'. Copies of
these publications are supplied to the Parlia-
ment Library.

Applications for Cement Plant in M. P.

2183. SIIRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of applications pending
with his Ministry for sanction regarding the
opening of Cement Plants in Madhya Pradesh ;
and

(b) the reasons for delay in thei.' disposal ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
U) and (b) a One application belonging to a
Kroup of Larger Business Houses, is pending.
This is awaiting necessary clearance from the
M. R. T. P. angle.

Heavy Industries in M. P.

2184. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA i Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of heavy industries along
with their location, in Madhya Pradesh, both
in the public and private sectors along with
the items being manufactured by them ; and

(b) the number of persons employed by
them ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) :(a)The number of major industrial
units in Madhya Pradesh in the public and pri-
vate sectors is 26 and 112 respectively. Some of
the major industries of the State include
Industrial Machinery like rayon plant, solvent
extraction plantj crushing equipment, coal,
iron ore, iron and steel, steel castings, bright
bars and shadings, transformer generating
sets, switchgear and motors, aluminium con-
ductors, cement and asbestos cement products,
chemical industries, oil and flour milling,
paper, sugar, cotton and synthetic textiles.
Some of the important locations of industries
in the State are Bhopal, Ujjain, Dewas,
Maheshwar, Burhanpur, Kymore, Mandhar,
Chandni, Raipur, Bhilai, Indore, Gwalior,
Bailadilla, Satna, Jabalpur and Ratlam.

(b) The number of persons employed in
Public and Private Sectors is reported by the
State Government as 86,541 and 1,12,352,
respectively.

Enlargement of Fourth Plan For M.P. in
view of its Backwardness

2186. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA :

SHRI G.C. DIXIT :

Will tl*c Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
enlarge the Fourth Five Year Plan for the
State of Madhya Pradesh in view of its back-
wardness ; and

(b) if BO, the details regarding the
schemes and allocation of money for this
purpose ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) On a review of

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192

the resources available for financing the
Fourlh Five Year Plan of Madhya Pradesh,
it has been found that the outlay on the
State's Plan can be increased to Rs. 435
crores from the present approved outlay of
Rs. 393 crores. This increase in outlay
is proposed to be financed from the State's
own resources. Recently a request has been
made for a further increase in the Fourth
Five Year Plan outlay of Madhya Pradesh.
The matter is under consideration.

(b) The sectoral allocation of the increas-
ed outlay proposed by the Government of
Madhya Pradesh is still to be decided.

Charge Indicator Meter

2187. SHRI AMAR NATH GHAWLA :
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to refer to the reply given to
Unstarred Question No. 2671 on the 12th
April, 1972 regarding Installation of telephone
meters and state :

(a) whether the field trial of the sophisti-
cated Charge Indicator meter, capable of
recording telephone calls, has since been com-
pleted and the question of installing these
meters at subscribers places has been decided;
and

(b) if so, when ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) No
Sir. Not Yet.

(b) Question does not arise.

Applicability of the Decision taken by
Cabinet Secretariat to Central Secretariat
Service

2189. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the decision contained in
para 4 of the Cabinet Secretariat (Department
of Personnel's) O. M. No. 9/3/72-Estt. (D)
date the 22nd July, 1972 is applicable to the
Central Secretariat Service ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) i (a)
No, Sir.

(b) The instructions of 22nd July, 1972
are applicabe to those Services/posts under the

Centra! Government to which the general
principles of seniority as contained in MHA
O.M. No. 9/11/55-RPS dated 22nd December
1959 had been applied. The O. M. of 22nd
December 1959 was not applied to the Cen-
tral Secretariat Service for which separate
principles of seniority had been laid down.
The issue is, however, sub judtee since some of
the interested persons have recently filed writ
petitions in the Supreme Court.

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Written Answers

194

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Arrest of Thieves in Delhi and Goods
seised from them

2193. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased

to state :

(a) the total number of thieves arrested
in Delhi during the last six months for com-
mitting thefts, burglaries etc ;

(b) the total value of goods seized from
them ;

(d) whether goods so seized have since
been handed over to their actual owners and
if not, the reasons therefor and when the
goods are likely to be handed over to
them ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) 1208 persons were
arrested in the cases of thefts and burglaries
during the last six months i.e. from 1.2.1972
to 31.7.1972.

(b) Rs. 38,23,728.22 paise.

(c) 64 persons have been discharged.
Gases of 517 persons are under investigation
and 627 persons have been challaned. Of the
persons challaned, 79 have been convicted, 3
acquitted and cases of 545 persons are pen-
ding trial in courts.

(d) Such property seized by the police, is
returned under the orders of the court concer-
ned. Almost all the recovered property has
since been restored to its owners according to
the orders passed by the courts concerned.
However, in some of the cases, the property
which is to be exhibited in the court during
trial, has not yet been restored to the owners.
The same will be restored to them on
the decision of the cases or on superdari, as
and when the oiders arc received from the
courts concerned.

Construction of more Jails in Delhi

2194. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether there is heavy rush of prison-
hers in the Delhi Central Jail, Tihar and that
there are many irregularities being committed
there ;

(b) whether Government propose to
construct some more jails in the Capital ;
and

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Written Answers

196

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. Some irregu-
larities have been noticed.

(b) and (c). There is a proposal to cons-
truct one District Jail and two sub-jails.
However, no final decision has yet been taken
about their location.

Working of Mills under Government
Control

2195. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state :

(a) the total number of mills other than
textile mills that are now functioning under
Government control, fully or partially, for the
last five years ;

(b) in how many of tfiese mills the pro-
duction could be augmented during the said
period and what modernisation could be
brought about by Government in these mills and
the amount of money spent on this account ;

(d) whether Government have evolved
any common pattern for staff policy for
better efficiency in running these institutions
and if so, the salient features thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) to (d). The information is being collected
and will he placed on the Table of the
House.

Shortage of Steel In Wagon Industry

2196. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-

JHUNWALA :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state i

(a) whether the wagon making industry
has resented the decision of Government to
convert part of facilities available in the
Railway work-shops for manufacture of
wagons ;

(b) whether the industry has pointed
out that the supply was hampered due to

shortage in supply of steel and also arratic
supply orders which are sent in piecemeal ;
and

(c) if so, whether Government have
assessed the number of wagons that can be
produced in railway workshops and stream-
lined the process of placing orders with the
industry to help them achieve better
results ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) Government have not taken any deci-
sion to convert part of facilities available in
the railway workshops for manufacture of
wagons.

(b) The wagon buildeis have been
quoting shortage of steel as one of the reasons
for low production.

(c) The Ministry of Railways have decid-
ed that wagon building will be continued
only in three workshops. The 1972-7 5 target
for these three workshops is 2,860 units in
terms of four wheelers.

The wagon orders are placed with the
wagon industry on an annual basis and as
far as possible they are oidered in bulk, which
will facilitate the wagon builders m their
planning.

U. P. Land Ceilings Bill

2197. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Uttar Pradesh Government
have referred to the Centre the question of le-
gality of the provision of its Land Ceilings Bill
giving retrospective effect to it in the light of
Supreme Court ruling striking down certain
provisions of the Kerala Land Reforms Act ;
and

(b) if so, the main points thereof and the
reaction of Central Government thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI-
NISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H.
MOHSIN) : (a) The Government of Uttar
Pradesh have sought inclusion of the U.P. Im-
position of Ceiling on Land Holdings (Amend-
ment) Bill, 1972, in the Ninth Schedule of the
Constitution.

(b) The proposal is being examined*

197

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196

Review of Cases of Convicts sentenced
for life Imprisonment, in Delhi

2198. SH1U ISHWAR CHAUDHRY :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased state :

(a) whether the Revising Board of Delhi
Administration which reviews the cases of con-
victs sentenced for life imprisonment with a
view to releasing them, meets twice a year
in the months of February and August ;

(b) whether it has met during this year
and if not, the reasons therefor; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI-
NISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H.
MOHSIN) : (a) The Revising Board meets
twice a year but not necessarily in the months
of February and August.

(b) and (c) The Board has not met so far
this year because some members of the Board,
who were foimeily members of the Mctiopoli-
tan Council, did not get elected to the new
Council The Revising Boaid lias been recons-
tituted recently and is likely to meet during
this month.

Development in Hill Districts of Assam

2199. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI: Will the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state

(a) whether Government have provided
any extra fund for the developmental activi-
ties in the two Hill Distiicts of Assam namely,
Mikir Hills district and North Cachar Hills
District ,

(b) if so, the amount provided for the
years 1970-71 and 1971-72; and

(c) if not, will the Government consider
the cases of these two Hill districts to provide
special fund for development works as these
two Districts are very backward in comparison
to other Hill areas of the North Eastern Re-
gion ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
DHARIA) : (a) In allocating Central assistance
foi financing the Fourth Plan of Assam State
which then included Mikir Hill District, Ca-
char Hill District, Shillong Municipal area and
the cantonment and also present Meghalaya
State and the Union Territory of Mizoram, the

development requirements and special prob-

lems of these areas were kept in view for
which due weightage was accorded.

(b) and (c). The information regarding
amounts provided in 1970-71 and 1971-72 for
these two Hill Districts in the present Assam
State is not available with the Government of
India. The Government of Assam have been
requested to furnish the required information,
which when received will be laid on the Table
of the House.

Annual Plan for Assam for 1972-73

2200. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state ;

(a) the financial assistance demanded by
the Assam Government to implement the an-
nual plan for 1972-73; and

(b) the decision taken by the Planning
Commission thereon?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
DHARIA) : (a) and (b). For the State Plan
1972-73, the Government of Asasm demanded
Central assistance of Rs. 45.41 crores to imple-
ment the Plan proposals amounting to Rs.
50.61 crores which included certain unspecified
outlays for areas which now form the Union
Territory of Mizoram since 21 1 1972. On the
basis of the assessment of State's contribution
and the resources availability at the Centre, an
outlay of Rs. 43 crores was approved to be
financed as under:

(Rs. crores)

Central assistance 35.46

State resources 7.54

Total: 43 00

The approved outlay of Rs. 43 crores in-
cludes Rs. 2.75 crorc? for the Union Territory
of Mizoram,

Copper Plate Awards for Political Suffer-
ers from Assam

2201. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state :

(a) the names of political sufferers from
Assam selected for the Copper Plate awards
on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of
Indian Independence ;

(b) the criteria and procedure followed
for such selection ;

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sufferers have been selected from Assam for
the said Copper Plate awards although there
are large number of eligible political sufferers
in the State ; and

(d) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) to (d). Tamrapatras are to
be presented at ceremonies held from month
to month throughout the 25th Jayanti Year to
all those who had undergone imprisonment for
six months in the cause of freedom. The total
list for Assam is therefore still being prepared
by the Assam Government.

The first of these ceremonies field on
15 8.1972 was limited to only 1,000 freedom
fighters from all over the country. The list
of those from Assam who were invited to the
fiist ceremony is laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT.
3393/72], It is based upon selections made by
the Assam Government, in the light of the
criteria laid down by the Government of
India.

Ordinance for take over of Educational
Institutions run by Certain Communities
in Kerala

2202. SHRI N. K. SANGHI :

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Kerala Government have
approached the Centre on promulgation of an
Ordiancc by State Government to enable it
to take over the educational institutions run
by certain communities in Kerala, as manage-
ments of these institutions refuse to re open
them, resulting in a large number of students
being denied the educational facilities ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Central Govern-
ment and the circumstances that led to the
managements to close down the institutions ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). The Govern-
ment of Kerala have forwarded for instructions
of the President, the Kerala Private Colleges
(Regulation of Management) Ordinance, 1972
which seeks to empower the State Govern-
ment to take over the management of the
private Colleges in Kerala temporarily. The
draft Ordinance is under consideration.

Setting up of Special Cell for Atomic
Minerals

2203. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH : Will the
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government propose to set
up a special cell for coordinating and investi-
gating atomic minerals in the country ; and

(b) whether the results of primary inves-
tigations are promising ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI):
(a) No, Sir. The Atomic Minerals Divisions
of the Department of Atomic Energy is res-
ponsible for survey, prospecting and explora-
tory development of atomic minerals which
are required for the atomic energy pro-
gramme.

(b) Yes, Sir. The details are given in the
Annual Reports ol the Department of Atomic
Energy which are cii eulated to the Honouiable
Members and copies of which are available
in the Parliament Library.

Programme for providing Self-employ-
ment to Educated Persons in Rural Sector

2204. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state
whether a new programme is proposed to be
launched for providing self-employment to
educated peisons in the luial secloi ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARlA) : There is no specific
programme under consideration of Government
for providing self-employment to educated
persons in the rural sector. However, the
following schemrs initiated by Government
of India in 1971-72 arc likely to provide op-
portunities for self-crapJoymrnt to educated
persons in the rural sector :

(i) Setting up of agro service centres,

(ii) Financial assistance to entrepreneurs
for setting up of industries.

Zoological Survey of India

2205. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are considering

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the recommendations of Shri Jacob Kurian,
Member of Indian National Commission on
the Zoological Survey of India ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMNET AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI-
AM) : (a) No. Sir, the Government are
not aware of any recommendation made by
Shri Jacob Kurian on the Zoological Survey
of India.

(b) Does not arise .

Shifting of the Office of Zoological Survey
of India from Calcutta

220b SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister ^f SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) vvhethci the Government arc aware
of the shifting of Offices of Zoological Survey
of India fiom Calcutta ; and

(b) if so, the reasons for shifting those
ofiiccs ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM):
(a) No, Sir. Theic is no proposal for the
shifting of offices ot the Zoological Servey
of India fiom Calcutta.

(b) Docs not arise.

Bihar Scheme for Unemployed

2207. SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH : Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bihar Government has pre-
pared a special scheme for providing employ-
ment to about 64,000 educated, skilled and
unskilled men in the State if so, the total
amount lequired for the purpose ,

(b) whether the Centre has agreed to give
some financial help to the States for imple-
mentation of the scheme ; and

(c) whether some other States have also
formulated such schemes ; and if so, to what
extent Centre has agreed to give financial
help to these States for implementation of
the schemes ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
HHARIA) : (a) to fc). A statement is laid on

the Table of the House. [Placed in Librat y. See
No. LT. 3394/72]

Big Powers behind Agitation against
Simla Agieement

2208. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDD Y:

SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH

MALIK :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the news item which appeared
in the ‘Tribune’ on 10th July, 1972 captioned
'Big Powers behind agitation against Simla
Agreement’ ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI

F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

•

(b) Government have no other informa-
tion in this regard.

Criteria for Promotion of Class IV Staff
as L«D.Cs.

2209. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of qualified Class
IV Employees in the Government of India arc
waiting for their chances in the Lower Divi-
sion Clerks grade ; and

(b) if so 3 the number of such employees
and the criteria Government have adopted to
promote class IV employees as Lower Division
Clerks in the Ministries and other offices ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and
(b). Class III is not a promotion post for
Class IV employees as the nature of duties
of the two posts arc altogether different and
as the experience in the Glass IV posts would
not be of any value in the L.D.Cs. post.
However, with a view to giving an opportu-
nity to educationally qualified Class IV em-
ployees for entry into Class III posts, a num-
ber of concessions have been provided under
which such Class IV employees can register
their names with the Employment Exchange for
Class III posts and on nominations by the
Employment Exchange, they can be consi-
dered for appointment to such posts after

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giving weightagc of age relaxation to the
extent of their service in Glass IV ; they can
also be considered for appointment in Class

III in the offices in which they are working
even though their names may not be amongst
those sponsored by Employment Exchange.
In addition, reservations have also been pro-
vided for educationally qualified Class IV em-
ployees to the extent of 10% of the vacancies
in the post of Lower Division Clerks to be
filled on the basis of a test confined to Class

IV employees who have put in at least five
years of service in a Class IV post and who
are 45 years of age (50 years for Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes). The scheme
is not applicable to Railways. Post and Tele-
graphs and the Indian Audit and Accounts
Department who have their own schemes for
appointment of their Class IV employees to
Class III posts.

According to the information available,
599 Class IV employees workirg in the Minis-
tries/Departments applied for admission to
the Restricted Examination held in April,
1970 for appointment against 10% reserved
vacancies, out of whom 341 were admitted to
the Examination and 91 of them were finally
appointed as Lower Division Clerks. Similarly
81 and 65 Class IV employees were appointed
as Lower Division Clerks on ihe results of the
Restricted Examinations held in December,
1970 and June, 1971, respectively. Thus out
of a total of 599 Class IV employees in the
Ministries/Departments, who claimed eligibi-
lity for appointment to Class III posts, a total
of 237 have so far been appointed as Lower
Division Clerks. Only 285 Class IV employees
working in the Ministries/Departments have
applied for, admission to the Restricted Exami-
nation held in June, 1972 and it is expected
that in the years to come, the educationally
qualified Class IV employees would have rea-
sonable prospects for appointment to
Class III posts.

Arbitration on D.A. Formula

2210. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have conceded
the demand of its employees that the dearness
allowance determining formula should be
arbitrable if differences arose between the
parties ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and
(b). The Staff Side of the National Council
set up under the J. C. M. Scheme had request-
ed that the formula for determining D.A.
should be revised so as to :

(1) reduce the time factor for determin-
ing the average index increase from
12 months to three months ;

(2) reduce the points factor from 10 points
average to 5 points average ;

(3) calculate ihe quantum factor on the
basis of full neutralisation of the pay
of every single employee in all the
categories, of Class IV and Class III
staff ; and

(1) extend the Dearness allowance to
cover all employees receiving a basic
pay up to Rs. 1,000/- per month on a
tapering off basis.

2. As no agreement was possible in res-
pect of this demand, a disagreement was
recorded at the National Council meeting held
on the 29th and 30th May, 1970 On a point
raised by the Staff Side about the arbitrability
of the D. A. determining formula, Govern-
ment have decided that the specific demand
of the Staff Side, referred to in para 1 above,
would be treated as arbitrable.

Farmers Agitation in Tamil Nadu

2211. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK :

SHRI DINEN BHATTACH ARYYA :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Chief Minis-
ter has written to her about the farmers* agi-
tation and their demands ;

(b) whether the demands of the farmers
ran counter, to the Centre’s policy in this
regard ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F.
H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) At a meeting of the National Develop-
ment Council held in last May, there was
general agreement that it was necessary to
explore all possibilities of raising additional

resources for the Fifth Five Year Plan. Tax

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measures relatable to entries in List II of the
Seventh Schedule of the Constitution are,
however, entirely for the State Governments
to consider.

(c) The Government of India and the
Planning Commission have been anxious that
State Governments should raise additional
resources for financing their development plans
in the same way as the Government of India
had been raising additional resources for the
development of the country. Since the need
for raising such resources had never been in
question, misgivings, if any, regarding specific
methods for raising such resources should be
dispelled in a democratic way.

Commission of Inquiry on Larger Indus-
trial Houses of Tatas, Birlas
and Sahu Jains

2212. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Commission of Inquiry
on Large Industrial Houses has been able to
finalise any case so far ; and

(b) if not, the probable time by which the
concerns of Tatas, Birlas and Sahu Jains will
be examined ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) and (b). The investigations including
those relating to concerns of Tatas, Birlas
and Sahu Jains, by the Commission of Inquiry
on Large Industrial Houses are in progress.
On the request of the Commission, the time
for submission of its report to the Government
has been extended for another year with
effect from 18-2-1972.

Distribution of Tamra Patras on tbs
Occasion of 25th Anniversary of
Indian Independence

2213. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state whether ‘Tamra Patras’ and reception
will be given on the occasion of 25th Anni-
versary Indian Independence to leaders, parti-
cipants and ex-convicts connected with (i)
Gadar Party, (ii) First World War Indo-
German Conspiracy Case, (iii) Kakori Conspi-
racy case, (iv) Chittagong Armoury Raid case,
(v) Labang (Darjeeling) Shooting case, (vi)
Gommilla DM Shooting case, (vii) Interpro-
vinciai Conspiracy cases, (viii) other conspiracy

cases connected with their revolutionary strug-
gle, (ix) Andaman Cellular jail prisoners, (x)
ex-convicts who were given life imprisonments
in connection with revolutionary activities
and (xi) heroes of August Revolution, parti-
cularly of .Balia, Behar, Midnapur, Balurghat
and Sitara ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : All freedom fighters who have
undergone imprisonment in the cause of the
freedom of the country for a period of not
less than six months are eligible for Tamra
Patras. State Governmcnts/Union Territory
Administrations were asked to compile lists
of freedom fighters on that basis.

Promotion of Selection Grade Stenogra-
phers to the Posts of Under Secretaries

2214. SHRI S. M BANERJEE : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to refer to
the reply given* to Starred Question No. 710
on 5th May, 1972 and state :

(a) the number of Selection Grade Steno-
graphers promoted to the posts of Under
Secretary during the last three years ;

(b) the number of Section Officers pro-
moted to the posts of Under Secretary during
the same period ;

(c) whether there is only one seniority list
for both the categories viz , Selection Grade
Stenographers and Section Officers ; and

(d) if not, the reason therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Nil.
The Selection Grade of the Central Secretariat
Stenographers* Service was introduced from
the 1st August, 1969, when the Service was
reorganised, and the Selection Grade Steno-
graphers have come within the field of consi-
deration for promotion to the Grade of Under
Secretary only this year. Prior to 1st August
1969, Stenographers Grade I were eligible
for promotion as Under Secretaries through
the Section Officers’ Grade.

(b) 220 (including 9 officers who had
been promoted to the Section Officers Grade
from the erstwhile Grade I of the Central
Secretariat Stenographers Service).

(c) A combined seniority list of Section
Officers of the Central Secretariat Service
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Secretariat Stenographers Service is prepared
in accordance with the Central Secretariat
Service (Promotion to Grade I and Selection
Grade) Regulations, 1964 for the purpose of
preparing a Select List of officers approved
for promotion as Under Secretaries.

(d) Does not arise.

Sales Tax on Silk Fabrics

22 J 5. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA: Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Delhi Hindustani Mer-
cantile Association has urged the withdrawal
of the notification imposing Sales tax on Pure
Silk febrics ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THli DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). Govern-

ment have received a representation from the
Delhi Hindustani Mercantile Association,
Delhi in which the Association has requested
for the withdrawal of sales tax on pure silk
fabrics. ‘Silk Fabrics)* was covered by the
scheme of levy of additional excise duty in
lieu of sales tax. With the withdrawal of
additional excise duty on silk fabrics, the
latter was also deleted from the list of declared
goods. Thus States became entitled to levy
sales tax thereon. In the meeting of the
Regional Council for Sales Tax for the
Northern Zone, a decision was taken to impose
sales tax on ‘Silk Fabrics*. The imposition of
Sales Tax in Delhi is in pursuance of this
recommendation. Since the imposition, re-
presentations have been received from the
traders in Delhi against the levy. It has been
decided to place the matter again before the
Regional Council for consideration of the
matter in the light of these representations.
The next meeting is likely to be held some-
times after September, 1972.

Reservation of Posts for Ex-servicemen

and Dependants of killed Personnel

2217. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:

SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased
to state :

(a) whether twenty seven and a half
percent of the vacancies in class IV posts and
17 £ per cent in class III posts are going to

be reserved for ex-servicemen and dependants
of those killed in action ; and

(b) if so, upto what date the reservations
will remain in force ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a)
Reservations have been provided for ex-
Servicemen at 10% of the vacancies in each
of the categories of Class III posts and of
such posts in each Class III service, and 20%
of the vacancies in each of the categories of
Class IV posts and of such posts in Class IV
service. Orders also provide that the per-
centages of reservations for ex-Servicemen in
a category of posts shall be increased or
decreased in any one recruitment year to the
extent to which the total number of vacancies
reserved for ex-Servicemen, Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes (including the carried
forward reservations for Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes) and for any other
categories taken together falls short or is in
excess, as the case may be, of 50% of the
vacancies in that category of posts filled in
that year. No reservations have been provided
in Class III and Class IV posts for dependents
of those killed in action. However, under
the existing instructions, two members each of
the ramifies of Defence Services personnel
killed in action can be appointed to vacancies
in Glass III and Class IV posts filled by direct
recruitment without registration at the Em-
ployment Exchange.

(b) The orders of reservations for ex-
Servicemen will remain in force up to 30th
June, 1974.

Development of a Process for manu-
facture of Tartaric Acid from Tamarind
Leaves by Regional Research Laboratory,
Jorhat

2218. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH i Will
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Regional Research
Laboratory, Jorhat has developed a process
for the manufacture of tartaric acid from
tamarind leaves ;

(b) whether tamarind leaves arc available
in plenty in South India ; and

contemplating to exploit the tame on

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commercial basis, and the decision taken* in
the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA-
MANIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) It is reported, in some areas, there is
a possibility to collect the leave? in reasonable
quantity.

(c) The National Research Development
Corporation (NRDC) is negotiating with
interested parties for commercial exploitation
of the process.

Export of Argon Gas by Indian Oxygen

2219. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE-
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the reasons why Indian Oxygen has
been permitted to export Argon gas while
there is shortage within the country ;

(b) the name of the undertaking which is
the largest manufacturer of Argon gas within
the country ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) Export of Aigon gas by Messis Indian
Oxygen Limited was started in 1968 at a time
when the production of the gas in the country
was in excess of the local demand and great
emphasis has been laid on cxpoit drive in as
many industries as possible. Recently, on
receipt of reports regarding shortage of
Argon gas Messrs Indian Oxygen Limited
have been asked to go slow on their export
commitments.

(b) Messrs Indian Oxygen Limited,
Calcutta.

(c) Besides stepping up the production of
Argon gas at the Trombay Unit of the
Fertilizer Corporation of India, Government
have issued letters of intent for creation of
additional capacity for the manufacture of
Argon gas. Certain existing units have also
been assisted in organising the recovery of

Argon from their air separation plants.

Mechanised Brick Plants set up in the
Country

2220. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH i
SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the .Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE-
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the mechanised brick plants
set up in the country for manufacturing bricks
are running in loss ;

(b) if so, names of such plants in the
country which are running in loss ; and

(c) whether the production of these plants
have also gone down ; and the steps taken or
proposed to be taken to improve the draw
backs of the plants ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIQDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) to (c). ‘Bricks’ is not an industry included
in the Schedule to the Industries (Develop-
ment and Regulation) Act, 1951 and, therefore,
not all units report their production to the
Government of India. However, according
to the production figures reported, there has
not been fall in production of building bricks
by the mechanised process.

A mechanised brick unit set up by the
National Buildings Construction Corporation,
has been incurring losses practically since
inception in 1967-68. A number of expert
studies were carried out for improving the
working of the plant. A Committee set up in
December, 1971 submitted its report in
March, 1972, and its recommendations arc
under examination by the Ministry of Works
and Housing.

Report by the Scientific and Technical
Personnel Department of CL S. I. R. on
Unemployed Graduates

222 1 . SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE :
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether a report of the study made
by the Scientific and Technical Personnel
Department of the Council of Scientific and
Industrial Research in regard to unemployed
and under employed graduates and those
graduates who have abandoned efforts for
employment has since been received ; and

(b) if so, broad outlines of the report

and the action taken thereon f

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THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) The Division for Scientific and
Technical Personnel of Council of Scientific
and Industrial Research (CSIR) carried out a
study of unemployment amongst Technical
personnel and other graduates in the country
on the basis of the data collected in the 1971
Census Under employment or the number
of graduates who had abandoned efforts for
employment were not included in the study.

(b) 5,79,858 persons with at least a first
degree in Science, Agriculture, Arts or Com-
merce or at least a diploma in Engineering,
Technology or Medicine were estimated to be
unemployed in April, 1971. They constitute
19.1% or about one fifth of the estimated
total stock in these categoiies. Out of these,
1,58,574 persons were not looking for em-
ployment ; majority of them (1,27,644) were
women. Reason why they uvere not looking
for employment is not known.

The study revealed that among the pro-
fessional qualification holders medical doctors
and veterinarians have the lowest percentage
of unemployment i.e. about 5 to 6 per cent.
Post-Graduates in Agriculture comes next with
about 8% of unemployment. Graduates in
Engineering and Technology as well as in
Agricultural Science and Post-Graduates in
Science have a little higher rate of unemploy-
ment ranging from 11 to 15%.

Amongst all the categories, the highest
unemployment is among the first graduates in
Science i.e . about 25%. For Arts graduates
(first degree only) it is nearly 24%.

The Government of India is concerned
about the unemployment amongst educated
persons and have already taken some steps.
An “Expert Committee on Unemployment”
has been appointed to assess the extent of
unemployment and to suggest remedial
measures. A sum of Rs. 50 crores has been
allocated in the 4th Plan for employment of
educated unemployeds, of which, an amount
of Rs. 20 crores has been allocated in this
year’s budget. An amount of Rs. 27 crores
has been earmarked by the Planning Com-
mission for allocation to State Governments
for formulating special employment pro-
grammes for which the States will have to
contribute another 27 crores. Nationalised
Banks also render financial help to enterprising
unemployed presons. Planning Commission
and the State Governments arc also consider-
ing the problems of unemployment.

Besides these, schemes like Scientists' Pool,
Research Fellowships, Supernumerary appoint-
ments are in operation to help the Scientific
and Technical Personnel, in particular.

Survey of Unemployed Engineers

2222. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Government have made a
survey of the unemployed engineers on the
basis of 1971 Census; and

(b) if so, the main points thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F.
H. MOHSIN) : (a) In the main schedule
which was canvassed on universal basis at the
1971 Census, no question on unemployment
was asked.

However, along with the main schedule an
ancillary special schedule called “Degree Hol-
ders & Technical Personnel Cards’* was can-
vassed by self-enumeration method among Deg-
ree Holders & Technical Diploma or Certifi-
cate Holders only. The coverage of this an-
cillary schedule cannot be said to be compre-
hensive. One of the data items of this special
schedule related to unemployed engineers.

(b) The main points of the data-item men-
tioned in (a) above are : —

(i) Number of unemployed engineers by
sex break up with —

(a) Degree level and above.

(b) Diploma level, in each of the en-
gineering subject fields viz., (i) Agri-
cultural engineering, (ii) Architecture/
Town & Country Planning, (iii) Civil,

• (iv) Electrical, (v) Elcctronic/Tclc-
communication Radio, (vi) Mechani-
cal, (viij Chemical, (viii) Mining,
(ix) Metrology, (x) Auto Engineering,
(xi) Aero Engineering, (xii) Public
Health/Sanilary Enginecring/Produc-
tivc/ Industrial Engineering, (xiii)Othcr
Engineering and Technology.

(it) Number of unemployed engineers try-
ing for a job ; and

(iii) Number of unemployed engineers not
trying for a job.

Provisional figures of unemployed engineers
according to the al>ove characteristics are given
in the Statement laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-3395/72].

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Nepali Language speaking People in India

2223. SHRI RATTANLAL BRAHMAN s
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state the number of Nepali langua-
ge-speaking people in India on the basis of
1971 Census?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F.
H. MOHSIN): The 1971 Census data on
mother- tongue is still under compilation and
therefore the requisite information is not avail-
able at present.

Memorandum submitted by M. Pb. re-
presenting Backward Areas

2224. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI RE-
DDY: Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether at the end of the last Session,
a memorandum was submitted to the Prime Mi-
nister by the Members of Parliament repre-
senting chronically backward areas ; and

(b) if so, the action taken thereon?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The memorandum is under examina-
tion.

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Body of Experts on Utilization of News-
print

2228. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to set up
an impartial body of experts to advise both the
Government and the newspaper industry on
the question of supply, demand, requirements
and utilisation of newsprint ; and

(b) if not, how Government piopose to
settle the issue?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) and (b). There is already a newsprint Ad-
visory Committee, set up by the Ministry of
Information and Broadcasting, to advise the
Government on question of policy relating im-
port and allocation of news-print and printing
machinery for newspapers and other connected
matters. There is no proposal to set up any
other body of experts.

Self-Sufficiency In Crucial Sectors of
Economy

2229. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have made any
fresh efforts to achieve self-sufficiency in the
crucial sectors of the Indian economy in the
quickest possible time ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken in that direc-
tion ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Special pro-
grammes are included in the annual plans for
promoting the objective of self-sufficiency
through larger domestic out put and faster
impoit substitution. The Annual Plan for
1972-73 incorporates special programmes for
the improvement in the output of raw-cotton,
raw-jute and oilseeds in the held of agricul-
tural production. The programmes for in-
dustrial production make additional provi-
sion for creation of capacity in aluminium

and copper, and larger allocations for oil
exploration and petroleum refining as also
for better utilisation of existing capacity in
steel and fertilisers. Provision has also been
made for initiating work on modernisation of
jute and cotton textile industries and removal
of capacity constraint in other export- oriented
industries.

The National Committee on Science and
Technology investigating the scope for import
substitution by improving technology and
productivity of mining and manufactures
producing machinery and equipment, chemi-
cals, non-ferrous metals, special alloys, fuels
and minerals. An action Committee for pub-
lic sector undertakings is engaged in formu-
lating concrete recommendations enterprise
by enterprise for improving capacity utilisa-
tion. Fuither, industry wise studies are being
undertaken both in the piivate and public
sectors for identifying production bottlenecks
and suggesting measures to remove them.

Certificates of Eligibility for Appoint-
ment to Civil Services issued to Persons
other than Indians

2230. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state ;

(a) How many certificates of eligibility
for appointment to the Civil Services and
post under the Union Government have been
issued to persons othei than the Indian
Citizens in the last three years ;

(b) to which countries and which na-
tionality such persons belong ;

(d) whether any of those persons has
been found engaged in subversive activities
during the Indo-Pak wai ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and
(b). During the period from the 1st May,
1969 to the 30th April, 1972, 31 certificates
of eligibility for appointment to posts under
the Government of India were issued in
favour of persons other than Indian citizens.
Of these, 25 were from Nepal, 4 from Pakis-
tan, 1 from the Burma and 1 from Kenya.

not to allow employment of non- Indians in

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civil posts under Government. However,
exceptions have been made in the case of
citizens of certain neighbouring countries and
also persons of Indian origin, who have
migrated from certain foreign countries with
the intention of permanently settling in India.
Before the certificates of eligibility are issued
in their cases, the appointing authorities
satisfy themselves that the candidates are
suitable for appointment in all respects.

(d) While no such specific instance has
come to notice so far, the position is being
verified with the concerned authorities.

Recovery of Arms and Ammunition from
Dacoits Surrendered Recently

2231. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) the total number of arms and ammu-
nition recovered from the dacoits who recent-
ly sui tendered to the peace Mission in
Madhya Pradesh ;

(b) the number of prohibited arms among
them ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F H MOHSIN) : (a) 271 arms and about
18000 cartridges were recovered from the
dacoits who have surrendered between the
middle of April to the end of July, 1972.

(b) and (c). The information is being
collected and will be laid on the Table of
the House.

Inter State Transfers of I. A. S. and I. P. S.

Officers

2232. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Indian Administrative
Service and Indian Police Service Odficers,
whose services .have been allocated to the
various States and Union Territories, are not
allowed inter-State transfers ; if so, the rea-
sons therefor ;

(b) whether any proposal is under consi-
deration of Government to allow these Offi-
cers to be transferred from one State to

another ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) to

(c). Under the rules governing the manage-
ment of the cadres of the Indian Administra-
tive Service and the Indian Police Service-
members of these two All-India Services can
be transferred from one Cadre to another by
the Central Government with the concurrence
of the State Governments concerned. Ac-
cording to the general policy of the Govern-
ment of India, such inter-cadre transfers are
made only in administrative/public interest
or in exceptional circumstances on personal
grounds.

Issue of Licences to Agro-Industries Cor-
porations Punjab and Haryana

2233. SHRI *SAT PAL KAPUR: Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of licences issued by the
Central Government to the Industrial Deve-
lopment Corporation and Agro-Industries
Corporations of Punjab and Haryana during
the last three years ;

(b) the number of licences actually uti-
lised and the number of factories set up by
them, separately ;

(d) whether Government propose to fix
some time limit for early utilisation of these
licences ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) Five including the licences issued to
M/s. Punjab Tractors Limited, M/s. Punjab
Breweries Limited and Haryana Dairy Deve-
lopment Corporation.

(b) and (c). These licences are in various
stages of implementation as it normally takes
2-3 years for an industry to start production.

(d) The conditions attached to an in-
dustrial licence usually stipulate a time-limit
of 12 months within which an industry should
be established.

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Issue of Licences for Setting up Indus-
tries in Backward Areas

2234. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of industrial licences
issued to the different parties in India for the
setting of industries in backward areas during
the last three years ;

(b) the number of industries set up so far
as a lesult of these licences during the same
period and the nature of industries thus set up ;

(c) whether Government propose to fix
some time-limit within which an industry
should be set up after the granting of
licence ; and

(d) if so, the time-limit proposed ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) 89 loi Substantial Expansion, New

Undertakings or New Articles and 63 for
Carrying-on-Business.

(b) Reports in respect of 34 industries
having been set up have been received so far.
These include metallurgical industries, boilers
and steam generating plants, electrical
equipment, telecommunications, transporta-
tion, chemicals (other than fertilizers), food
processing industries, vegetable oils and vanas-
pali, glass and ceramics.

(c) and (d). The conditions attached to
an industrial licence usually stipulate a time-
limit of 12 months within which an industry
should be established.

Medico-Industrial Television designed
by the Central Scientific Instruments
Organisation

2235. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM :

SHRI VEKARIA :

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a new medical-industrial
television has been designed and developed
by the Central %jcntific Instruments Organi-
sation ; if so, the main features of the new
Television ;

(b) the cost of production of the new
equipment ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) The Central Scientific

Instruments Organisation (CSIO) has design-
ed and developed a multi-channel display
unit for monitoring and display of a
variety of clinical and industrial obser-
vations, such as electro-cardiogram, tempera-
ture, pulse rate, respiration, blood Pressure,
fetal heart beats etc., as also multi-channel
display of flow, pressure, vibrations and
turbulence etc.

(b) and (c). The CSIO Chandigarh have
intimated that the cost of each such unit
would be around Rs. 5,000 and that the price
of the equivalent imported unit would be of
the order of Rs. 10,000 to Rs. 20,000 each.

Newsreel Containing Pictures of Office
of Tamil Daily’s after it was Ransacked

2236. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the Films Division had taken
pictures of the Office of the leading Tamil
daily ‘Alai Oi«ii* immediately after it was
ransacked by a group of persons on 16th
June, 1972 ,

(b) whether the newsreel containing these
pictures was withdrawn from cinema houses in
Madras after it was shown only for one day,
if so, the reasons thereof ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). The portion of the con-
cerned newsreel, covering the attack on
“Alai Osai” was withdrawn from screening in
Tamil Nadu State, by the local representa-
tive of the Films Division, at the instance of
the State Government.

Foreign Shares In Indian Telephone
Industries

2237. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM : Will the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Starred Question No. 980 on 24th

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May, 1972 regarding foreign shares in I. T. I,
and state :

(a) whether Government have since taken
any decision regarding the shares held by the
foreign companies in the Indian Telephone
Industries Limited ; and

(b) if so, the nature of decision taken ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
and (b). The matter is still under Govern-
ment’s consideration.

Letter allegedly written by Prime
Minister to Chief Ministers of States
about Humane Treatment to Suspected
Nazalites

2238. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Prime Miniter has
written a letter recently to the Chief Ministers
of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Kerala,
Orissa, Punjab and West Bengal, urging
them to take steps so that the Suspected
Naxalites arc given humane treatment ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of State Govern-
ment thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) The Prime Minister
had on the 1st May, 1972, written to the
Chief Ministers of Andhra Pradesh, Assam,
West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Punjab and
Kerala that only imaginative and humane
treatment of persons suspected of involve-
ment in Naxalite activities can help to end the
recrudescence of extremism. Certain concrete
steps for the long term rehabilitation of these
persons were also suggested.

(b) In their replies, Chief Ministers of
Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa and Punjab
have expressed their agreement with the
approach suggested by the Prime Minister
and have informed that steps are being taken
accordingly. Replies from the Chief Ministers
of the remaining three States arc awaited.

Manufacture of Precision Tools to colla-
boration with Mitsubishi of Japan

2239. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND

TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Limited, a Japanese Company, have signed
a contract with an Indian Company to
extend technical assistance in manufacturing
and selling precision tools in India ; and

(b) whether Government have given
approval thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). M/s. S. R. P. Tools Ltd,
Madras have signed a technical agreement
with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.,
Tokyo, Japan for the manufacture of cutting
tools such as Hobs, Gear Shaper Cutters,
Broaches and Shaving Cutters. The techni-
cal collaboration agreement has been appro-
ved by the Government.

Development of Palamau (Bihar)

2240. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the action taken by the Central
Government for industrialisation of the indus-
trially backward District of Palamau (Bihar) ;

(b) whether no programme of industriali-
sation of the District has so far materialised ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). Palamau district of Bihar is one
of the 225 districts in the country selected by
the Planning Commission for grant of conce-
ssional financial assistance from financial
institutions to attract new industries to this
district and also to encourage expansion or
industries if already in existence in this
district.

Under the centrally sponsored scheme of
Rural Industries Projects Programme, Palamau
district has been selected as a RIP District
under the second series of RIP Projects for
the Fifth Plan. Detailed guidelines for conduc-
ting industrial potential surveys and pre-
paration of plan for industrial development
have been issued. These preliminary works
are expected to be completed by the end of
1973-74. Necessary fund has been placed with

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State Government for preliminary works for

1972-73.

Information Centre for Bihar to be Started
in New Delhi

2241. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether it was decided that one
Information Centre for Bihar will be started
in New Delhi ; and

(b) if so, the progress made in this
regard ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). Some State Govern
ments have set up Information Centres for
themselves in Delhi. Government of India is
not aware if Government of Bihar proposes to
open one such.

Plan for Development of Chhotanagpur

2242. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Planning Commission has
made any special plan for the development of
Chhotanagpur ;

(b) if so } the outlines thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN
DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The Planning Commi-
ssion has not made any special Plan for the
development of Chhotanagpur. Preparation
of district /regional plan is primarily the respon-
sibility of State Governments. A suggestion
was, however, made to the Bihar Government
that area plans should be prepared specially
for the backward areas of Chhotanagpur and
Santhal Parganas. The Planning Development
Authority for the Chhotanagpur Division and
the Santhal Parganas District specially set up
by the State Government has decided to
constitute a planning group for the purpose.

Norms of Creadon of Division and Sub-

Division in P & T Depar t ment

2243. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minuter of COMMUNICATIONS

be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
consideration of Government to bifurcate the
existing Divisions and Sub-Divisions in the
Postal, Telegraph and Traffic, Telegraph
Engineering or RMS and create additional
Sub-Divisions and if so, the main features
therefor ;

(b) whether Government are revising the
norms of creation of sub-divisions and Divisions
in the Posts and Telegraphs Department
under Postal, RMS, Telegraph and Tele-
communication Engineering arm ;

(c) whether Government are considering
to create separate Telegraph Engineering
Division at Bhagalpur, Telegraph Engineering
Sub-Division at Motihari, Additional Tele-
phone Division under Telephone District,
Patna and creation of separate RMS Division
with Headquarters at Kiul or Bhagalpur ;
and

(d) if so, the period by which the propo-
sals are expected to be finalised ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI-
CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Engineering Divisions/Sub-di visions and Tele-
graphs Traffic Divisions arc bifurcated and
Engineering Divisions/Sub-divisions and Tra-
ffic Divisions formed at new Headquarters if
and when work/load demands it. The norms for
forming new Engineering Divisions/Sub- Divi-
sions are (i) geographical continuity (ii) Com-
munity of interests and (iii) minimum workloads
prescribed for each, which depend upon the
assets to be maintained. The formation of
new Traffic Divisions depends on staff strength
in Telegraph Offices.

Postal and RMS Divisions and Sub-
Divisions arc bifurcated as and when necessary
on the basis of certain prescribed standards.

(b) The question of revising the standards
for Engineering Divisions/Sub-Divisions is
under consideration at present. This job has
been entrusted to S. I. U.

While the question relating to the revision
of norms for the postal Sub-division is under
consideration, there is no proposal for re*
examining the norms and currently in force
for the formation of Postal and RMS Divi-
sions.

(c) and (d). There are no proposals at
present to create a new separate Telegraph
Engineering Division at Bhagalpur and an

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226

additional Telephone Engineering Division
under Patna Telephone District. The question
of opening of a Telegraph Sub-Division at
Motihari is under consideration and is expec-
ted to be finalised within a month.

There is no proposal under consideration to
create a RMS Division at Kiul or Bhagalpur.

Bokaro Steel City and Jamshedpur
declared Industrial Towns

2244. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bokaro Steel City and
Jamshedpur have been declared Industrial
Towns for the purpose of construction of
quarters on priority basis ;

(b) whether Barauni-Begusarai area is
also under consideration of Government for
declaration as Industrial Towns ;

(d) in case reply to part (b) is in affir-
mative, the steps taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) to
(d). Information is being collected and will
be placed on the Table of the Sabha.

P. and T. Service Unions Demands

2245. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI s
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Service Unions in the
Posts and Telegraphs Department have
demanded for rationalisation of duties and
cadres in the Telecommunication Wing of the
Posts and Telegraphs Department ;

(b) whether any meeting has taken place
between Government and the Service Union
on this subject and if so, what is the outcome
and progress in this regard ; and

(c) what would be the time limit by
which the Posts and Telegraphs Board would
fiudlise discussion and decision on rationali-
sation scheme of the service Unions ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) Yes
Sir.

(b) and (c). Yes Sir. The case is under
active consideration and is likely to be fina-
lised soon.

Expansion of Patna Auto Telephone
Exchange

2246. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether project and detailed estimate
for expansion of capacity of Patna Auto Tele-
phone Exchanges have been sanctioned, but
the work is not being executed since the
equipment has not been allotted to Patna
Telephone District against the project sanc-
tioned ;

(b) whether there are subscribers in the
waiting list at Patna and Telephone connec-
tions are not being provided due to non-avail-
ability of telephone capacity to meet the
demands ;

(c) whether the District Manager, Tele-
phones, Patna has requested for early allot-
ment of Telephorfe equipment in order to
meet the demands, but his request has not so
far been acceded to ; and

(d) in case replies to (a) to (c) are in
affirmative, the reason therefor and the diffi-
culty of Government in allotting equipments
during 1972-73 and whether Government
propose to meet the demand in the near
future and if so, when ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) A
project Estimate for the crossbar exchange to
serve the area of the existing Patna Main
exchange has been sanctioned. However, the
detailed estimate has not yet been sanctioned
for this work.

(b) As on 30.6.72 there were only 77
non-OYT subscribers in the waiting list at
Patna. Adequate telephone capacity exists
for meeting this demand.

(c) The District Manager, Telephones,
Patna has sent some proposals for allotment
of equipment and his request U being consi-
dered for allotment in 1973-74 manufacturing
programme of M/s. Indian Telephone
Industries.

(d) The 1972-73 allotments were made
to meet the anticipated demand as on 31.3.72
and these have been already taken up for
manufacture by Indian Telephones Industries.
Adequate capacity was available in Patna to
meet the demands anticipated on 31.3.72 and
hence no allotment was made to Patna in
1972-73. The demands arising in the near

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future may be met by the allotments to be*
made in 1973-74 manufacturing programme
of Indian Telephones Industries. With the
present limited and inadequate availability of
equipment, a waiting period of 2-3 years
is unavoidable.

Raids by G.B.I. on Senior Police Officer's
House in Jaipur

2247. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the houses of some senior
police officers were raided in Jaipur by a
special team of the Central Bureau of Investi-
gation from New Delhi on 21st July, 1972 ;

(b) if so, the outcome thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :
(a) to (c). During the investigation of
cases registered by the Central Bureau of
Investigation against two police officers of
Rajasthan in respect of allegations of bribery
and acquisition of disproportionate assets,
their residences in Jaipur were searched on
21st July, 1972. Certain documents were
seized as a result of the searches. The matter
is still under investigation.

Resentment shown by India about
Nuclear Grouping with Israel

2248. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

SHRI SAMAR GUHA :

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have studied
the report by the United Nations associations
of United States and the Soviet Union,
signed in Washington on 19th July, 1972 and
allegations regarding India's resentment on
nuclear grouping with Israel ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Indian Gov-
ernment thereto ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF* ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) s (a) The report, which is not of

an official body has alleged that 8 non- weapon
States, among them India and Israel, possess
the fissionable material and technology needed
to manufacture nuclear weapons if they decide
to do so.

(b) Government of India’s policy remains,
as before, to use nucler energy only for peace*
full purposes.

Full-time Inspector under Working
Journalists Act

2249. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Delhi Union of Journalists on
20th July, 1972 demanded the appointment
of a full-time Inspector under the Working
Journalists Act so that the irregularities being
committed by several newspapers in the
capital can be put to an end ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof and
the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DIIARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). According to in-

formation obtainrd from the Department of
Labour and Employment, the Union in its letter
dated 28.7.72 represented that in Delhi there
were 40 small, medium and big newspaper
establishments but no wholetime Inspector had
been appointed to enforce the provisions of
the Working Journalists (Conditions of Service)
and Misc provisions. Act, 1955, and of the re-
commendations of the Wage Boards, as accepted
by the Government of India for working
journalists and non-working journalists work-
ing in such establishment. The demand of
the Union is under consideration by the Delhi
Administration.

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Transfer of Postal Staff in Balasore Flood
and Cyclone effected areas

2251. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA-
PATRA : Will the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether there have been transfers of
Postal staff in Balasore flood and cyclone
affected areas although Government policy is
not to transfer employees at such period ;
and

(b) if so, the number of persons transfer-
red ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI FI. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Ttansfers of Postal staff in Balasore Postal
Dn. have been made in May 1972 in the
normal course in the interest of service or at
their own requests.

(b) In all, 38 officials weie transferred.
Out of these 9 were transferred at their own
requests, 7 wcie transferred at the same
station and 22 were transferred in the interest
of service to other stations within the same
division.

Convention of Freedom Fighters in Delhi

2252. SHRI N K. S\NGHI :

SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the freedom fighters at a
Convention held lecently in Delhi have
demanded the creation of a uniform pension
scheme for them and for grant of lands and
loans for construction of houses ; and

(b) if so, whether these requests have
been considered by Government and if so, the
decision taken in this regard ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). Government

have seen the press report dated 23rd July,
1972 about the convention of freedom fighters
published in the Times of India of 24th July,
1972 mentioning these points.

Government of India have already decided
to implement a scheme of grant of pensions to
freedom fighters with effect from 15th August,
1972. As regards loans and lands for construc-
tion of houses, it is for the State Governments
and Union Territory Administrations to
consider these recommendations.

Industrial Growth

2253. SHRI N. K. SANGHI :

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY:

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE-
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether growth of industrial produc-
tion envisaged in the Fourth Plan could be
achieved during 1971 and the first half of 1972

(b) if not, the rate of growth actually
achieved during the above period and how
much is the shortfall ; and

(c) the causes for the failure to achieve
the target and the steps that are proposed to
lift the industrial growth from its stagnation ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) No, Sir.

(b) As against the growth rate of 8 to
10% per annum envisaged in the Fourth Plan,
the actual rate of growth in industrial pro-
duction, during 1971, was 3%.

The index of industrial production for
first half of 1972 is not yet available.

(c) Of the several factors responsible for
inadequate industrial growth, the main ones
are shortage of certain categories of steel and
other raw materials, shortage of power and
lack of infrastructural facilities in certain area
and low labour productivity. Efforts are being
made to deal with these problems.

Use of Radiation Technology for Preserva-
tion of Food

2255. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH :

SHRI SAMAR GUHA :

Will the Ministei of ATOMIC ENERGY
be pleased to state :

(a) whether researches conducted by the

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Atomic Energy Commission had raised the
possibility of a large-scale use of radiation for
the preservation of food ; and

(b) if so, the targetted period or date of
first experiment ?

THF PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). Feasibility studies
have been completed on radiation technologies
relating to sprout inhibition and pre vention of
spoilage in stored potatoes and onions,
disinfestation for insect control and preven-
tion of losses in stored wheat, and preservation
of certain sea foods. The Department of
Atomic Energy envisages establishment in a
phased manner of pilot-scale irradiation
facilities for these processes from 1973 on-
wards. Implementation of this programme is
awaiting clearance from the Ministry of Health
to whom an application has already been
made.

Memoranda Given by opposition Parties
of Haryana Against the Chief Minister

2256. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY :
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
refer to the reply given to Starred Question
No. 378 on the 12th April, 1972 regarding the
charges against the Chief Minister of Haryana
and state :

(a) whether the Memoranda have since
been examined ; and

(b) if so, the action proposed to be
taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and
(b). The Memoranda submitted to the
President on the 27th October, 1971 and the
24th February 1972, containing certain
allegations against Shri Bansi Lai Chief Minis-
ter of Haryana and others, are still under exa-
mination.

Export of Thorium Compounds

2257. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC
ENERGY be pleased to state :

(a) the total amount of Thorium and

Thorium compounds exported in the last three
years ;

(b) the terms of export ; and

Tears

Quantity

Value

(in Kilograms)

(in Rupees)

1969-70

37,263

9,78,451

1970-71

35,832

9,83,9G8

1971-72

12,400

3,90,519

(b) The terms of export differ from
country to country. Payment terms range from
payment against documents to 180 days*
credit.

(c) The exports were made to the Arab
Republic of Egypt, the Fedeial Republic of
Germany, Hong Kong, Iran, Japan, South
Vietnam, Sri Lanka and the United King-
dom.

Benefits of Satellite Communications to
the common man

2258. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH ; Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state whether, to bring the benefits
of future satellite communications to the
common man development work has started
on the following items :

(i) cheap solid State community Tele-
vision receivers for the rural areas ;

(ii) practical inexpensive antennas for the
same ; and

(iii) front-end converters for direction
reception ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) ; (i) The Electronic Systems
Division (ESD) of the Indian Space Research
Organisation (ISRO) at Ahmedabad has
developed Solid state TV receivers which will
be used for direct reception of TV program-
mes from the ATSF geo-stationary Communi-

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cation Satellite expected to be located over
the Indian Ocean in mid-1975. Parallel
developmental activity on this aspect is being
carried out at Electronics Corporation of
India Ltd., (ECIL) Hyderabad a wholly
Government owned Public Sector Undertaking
under the Department of Atomic Energy.
The sets to be used in Indian rural areas need
to be rugged, with minimal maintenance and
power requirements. These sets will be made
by EC1I. These sets will need special
chickenmesh antennas and front-end converters
to receive the extremely week signals from
the satellite and show these on the TV

(ii) The chicken-mesh antennas needed
for this have been developed by the Experi-
mental Satellite Communication Earth station
(ESCES), another Division of (ISRO), at
Ahmedabad.

(iii) The ESD has also developed the
front-end converter required for direct
reception. This is under final test.

Fabrication of Heavy Equipment for
Atomic Power Plant at Narora

2259. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC
ENERGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Atomic Energy Depart-
ment proposes to fabricate, on site, the heavy
equipment required for the atomic plant at
Narora ; or these are to be transported to the
site ; and

(b) whether the strengthening and widen-
ing of the necessary bridges and culverts and
has started so that there may not be any
bottlenecks in the transport of heavy equip-
ment to Narora ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : (a) It is proposed that certain
pieces of equipment will be partially fabrica-
ted in shops and then finally completed at
site. Certain equipment like the turbine
generator will be fabricated at manufacturers*
workshops and then moved to site.

(b) Strengthening and widening of
bridges and culverts will be taken up at the
appropriate time.

Marine Propulsion Reactor

2260. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATMOMIC
ENERGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether a Marine Propulsion Reactor
has been designed ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE ( SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). A marine propul-
sion reactor has not been designed. However,
a project report has been prepared outlining
the development work involved in nuclear
propulsion for marine application.

Report of the Science Plan Committee
on National Science Policy

2261. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM :

DR. RANEN SEN :

Will the Ministei of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether attention of the Government
has been drawn to a news-item in the Indian
Express dated the 24th July, 1972 that the
Science Plan Committee set up by the Govern-
ment has submitted its report to the Govern-
ment ; if so, the recommendations made by
the Committee ;

(b) the time Government will take to
implement those recommendations ; and

(c) the estimated expenditure to be in-
curred on the plan and the extent to which
the output in the country will be increased ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) and (b). The Government has
seen the news-item in the Indian Express
dated the 24th July, 1972 under the caption
“SCIENCE PLAN GETS FINAL
TOUCHES**. The National Committee on
Science and Technology is currently engaged
in the formulation of a Science and Techno-
logy Plan. To cover the various sectors of
S & T, the NCST has constituted 22 Panels.
The Science and Technology Plan will be
based on a detailed assessment of the existing
knowledge and competence in each of the
above sectors and the potential for develop-

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mcnt with reference to our socio-economic
needs. The draft of the Plan is expected to
be ready by the end of April, 1973.

Inadequate Attention being Paid by In-
dustrial Units in the Private Sector to
Research and Development

2262. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY:
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether well-organised industrial units
in the private sector pay very little attention
to the problem of research and development ;
and

(b) if so, whether Government have taken
any steps to make the industry research
conscious ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NlAM) : (a) Generally, industrial units in
private sector have made inadequate invest-
ment in research and development.

(b) A Committee under the Chairmanship
of Dr. Y. Nayudamma, Director-General,
CSIR, has been set up to go into the question
of difficulties experienced by the private
industrial firms in the execution and com-
mercialisation of Research and Development.
The recommendations of the Committee are
awaited.

Financial Assistance to Scientific Research
Institute Operating in Private Sector

2263. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY s
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) how many scientific research Institutes
Are now operating in the private sector ;

(b) whether Government are giving finan-
cial assistance to these Institutes, if so, the
mode of assistance given to them ; and

(c) whether Government have taken care
to see that these Institutes are properly
administered and the scientific programmes
undertaken by them are effectively imple-
mented ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-

NIAM) : (a) There are 17 private research
institutions.

(b) The Government is giving substantial
grants-in-aid to the Institutes for recurring as
well as non-recurring expenditure.

(c) These institutes are registered under
the registration of Societies Act and are
administered by a Governing Council on
which representative of the Ministry or
Government departments who piovide funds
are represented. The plan programme of
these institutes is generally scrutinised by the
Ministry or departments concerned and also
by Planning Commission. A watch is also
kept on the implementation of the Plan
Scheme both by concerned departments and
Planning Commission.

Film and TV Institute Scholarships

2264. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the State* wise break-up of 17 scholar-
ships awarded during 1971-72 by the Film
and Television Institute of India ; and

(b) the salient features of scholarships
awarded by different State Governments and
the Union Territories to the students of the
Institute ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) The State-wise break-up is as

follows :

Andhra Pradesh . . 1

Bihar . . 2

Jammu & Kashmir . . 1

Maharashtra . . 5

Mysore . . 2

Orissa . . 1

Punjab . . 1

Rajasthan . . 2

Uttar Pradesh . . 2

Total 17

(b) A statement is laid on the Table of
the House. [Placed in Library, See No. LT*
3397/72].

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F. F. G. Loan

2265. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the details of 43 applications received
by the Film Finance Corporation of India
during the period 1st April to 31st Decem-
ber, 1971 which are pending sanction of loans
to the extent of Rs. 93.74 lakhs ; and

(b) the details of seven applicants who
have been sanctioned Rs. 10.07 lakhs as loan ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). Two statements

containing the requisite information are
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in
Library. See No. LT-3398/72].

Views of State Governments etc. on Film
Censorship Enquiry Committee

2266. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the
broad outlines of views of State Governments
and Union Teiritorics and different sections
of the film industry on the principal recom-
mendations of the Enquiry Committee on
film censorship ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : A statement is laid on the Table
of the House. [ Placed in Library. See
No. LT- 3 399/72].

Production of Essential Consumer Goods
in Private Sectors

2267. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISH-
RA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the
proportion of essential consumer goods in
the total production of private corporate sector
since the end of the Third Five Year Plan ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
Separate production figures for the private
corporate sector ' and unincorporated enter-
prises are not available. The statement giving
the production of 17 broad groups of essential
consumer goods listed under the Essential
Commodities Act, for the years 1966 to 1971

(calendar years) as per returns submitted by
units borne on the registers of the Directorate
General of Technical Development, and other
sponsoring authorities (like the Textile Commis-
sioner and the Director of Sugar and Vanas-
pati), is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3400/72]. *

Furnishing of Newspapers* Annual
Statements

2268. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the number out of the 4961 defaulting
newspapers in respect of submission of Annaul
Statements, which are either non-existent or
irregular ; and

(b) consequences being faced by 803 news-
papers and periodicals which have been
removed from the record as publishers, on
their failure to fiynish Annual Statements for
two consecutive years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) The information is being col-
lected and will be laid on the Table of the
House.

(b) A newspapei not borne on the records
of the Registrar of Newspapers for India is
not allocated any newsprint. It ceases to enjoy
postal concession and it is not entitled to be
considered by the Directorate of Advertising
and Visual Publicity for Central Government
advertisements.

Award of “Tamra Patras*’ and Reception
to Freedom Fighters on the Occasion of
25th Anniversary of Indian Independence

2269. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state :

(a) whether officers and men of Indian
National Army and the participants of the
1945-46 revolt in Royal Indian NAVY will
be given “Tamra Patras” and reception on
the occasion of 25th Anniversary of Indian
Independence ;

(b) whether families of Mankumar Bosu
Thakur and 27 other officers and men of
R. I. N. who were hanged or shot at Madras
in 1943 will be given the same honour ; and

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or shot by British Government and who sacri-
fied their lives in Azad Hind Fauj liberation
offensive ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) All freedom fighters who
have undergone imprisonment in the cause
of freedom of the country for a period of
not less than six months are eligible for Tamra
Patras which will be distributed at several
ceremonies to be held throughout the anniver-
sary year. The men of the Indian National
Army, and the Royal Indian Navy would also
be eligible if they fulfill the criteria laid down.

(b) and (c). The question of conferring
posthumous honour on freedom fighters/mar-
tyrs has not yet been considered.

Survey of Natural Resources

2270. SHRI P. M. MEHTA

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM-
KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Planning Ministry is consider-
ing to have comprehensive survey of the coun-
try’s natural resources ;

(b) whether any scheme in regard to the
survey for natural resources has been prepared
and if so, when the survey will be conducted ;
and

(c) whether Government feel that the
degree of development of a country depends
on its capacity to make best possible use of
natural resources at its disposal ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM):

(a) and (b). The Planning Commission in Sep-
tember last year appointed 12 task forces to re-
commend measures for the intensification of
survey activities of various natural resources in
the country. These task forces were in the
following specific fields :

1. Coal & Lignite.

2. Atomic Energy Minerals.

3. Non-Ferrous Group of Minerals,

4. Ferrous Group of Minerals.

5. Industrial (Non-metallic) Minerals.

6. Marine Survey for Living Resources.

7. Marine Survey for Non-living resources.

8. Groundwater Resources.

9. Surface Water Resources.

10. Aerial Survey.

11. Land & Soil Resources.

12. Forest Resources.

The task forces have submitted their reports
recently and the Core Committee of the Plann-
ing Commission is considering how these reco-
mmendations could be implemented.

(c) The Government agrees with the Hon'-
ble Member that country’s development de-
pends to a great extent on best possible exploi-
tation of its natural resources. The setting up
of these task forces is one of the steps taken
up in this direction.

Prosecution of Public Servants and Private
Persons by C. B. I.

2271. SHRI P. M. MEHTA
SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Central Bureau of Investi-
gation prosecuted 22 public servants and 39
private persons during May, 1972 ;

(b) whether Central Bureau of Investiga-
tion also secured convictions against some per-
sons and imposed fines on the persons or the
firms convicted ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The
Central Bureau of Investigation prosecuted 23
public servants and 37 private persons during
May, 1972.

(b) and (c). 17 public servants (1 gazetted
officer and 16 non-gazetted officers) and 10 pri-
vate persons (including 1 firm) were convicted
by the courts and awarded sentences of vary-
ing terms of imprisonment/fine in May, 1972.
The convictions were in respect of allegations
relating to embezzlement, forgery, bribery,
misappropriation, cheating, criminal breach of
trust, misconduct and violation of the provi«
sioni of Essential Commodities Act, Opium
Act and Imports and Exports (Control) Act.

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Views expressed by U. S. experts on
Indian Nuclear reactors

2272. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-

THAM :

SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Governments attention has
been drawn to the views expressed, recently,
by some U, S. experts that the Indian nuclear
reactors were not subjected to international
safeguard checks by the International Atomic
Energy Agency and hence pose a threat to
non-proliferation of nuclear weapons , and

(b) if so, the Governments reaction there-
to ?

(b) Government do not agree with the
views.

People’s Participation in Implementation
of Plan Programme

2273. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
TIIAM : Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state

(a) whether hitherto the emphasis was on
people’s participation in implementation of
the plan programmes with little or no atten-
tion paid to the problem of peoples partici-
pation in the formulation of the plan itself ;
and

(b) if so, whether any steps are being
taken to ensure active participation of the
people in the formulation of plan policies ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) From the incep-
tion of planned development, the Planning
Commission has laid considerable stress on
popular understanding of and participation
in the implementation of various schemes and
programmes. Also in the past there have been
consultations with representative bodies prior
to formulation of Plan policies and program-
mes. Some further steps are being taken to
broaden this process of popular participation
in the formulation of Plant.

(b) The introduction of multi-level plan-
ning throughout the country, as proposed in
the document on the “Approach to the Fifth
Five Year Plan”, is expected to ensure in-
creased participation of people in the formu-
lation and implementation of Plan policies
and programmes. In the meantime, care has
been taken to associate expert, popular and
non-official opinion with the deliberations of
various Steering Groups, task forces and wor-
king groups which have been set up to help
formulate Fifth Plan policies and schemes.

Arrears of Telephone Bills

2274. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

SHRIHUKUM CHANDKACH-
WAI :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be pleased to state the amount of
arrears of Telephone Bills, year- wise since
1970 ? •

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : The
amount of arrears of Telephone bills year-
wise since 1970 are as given below :

Arrears on

Amount ( Rs . in

lakhs)

(i)

1.4.70 in respect
of bills issued
upto 31.12.69

Rs. 612.43

(«i)

1.4.71 in respect
of bills issued
upto 31.12.70

Rs. 555.64

(iii)

1.4.72 in respect
of bills issued
upto 31.12.71

Rs. 605.59

Cheating In Weights and Measures

2275. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether cheating in weights and
measures in the country is on the increase ;

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government
in eradicating such cheating ;

(c) whether weights and measures of the
Departments of Posts and Telegraph and Rail-
ways have ever been checked and stamped,
if not, the reasons therefor ; and

(d) the steps taken by Government to
have those checked and stamped ?

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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) and (b). Government are aware that
cheating in weights and measures exists in
the country but there is no evidence to prove
that it is on the increase. Enforcement of
weights and measures being a State subject,
any case brought to the notice of Government
is taken up with the State Government con-
cerned for suitable remedial action.

(c) The weights and measures used by
Railways were being checked in a few States
but not those of the Posts and Telegraphs as
the transactions of the Posts and Telegraphs
were for a long time considered as non-com-
mercial transactions.

(d) The weight and measures used by
the Departments of Posts and Telegraphs will
be subjected to checking and stamping in the
near future, while those used by the Rail-
ways are already being checked in some
States and will be checked in the near future
in the remaining States.

Kidnapping of a Boy from his House in
Paharganj, New Delhi

227G. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether one boy Rajendra, was
kidnapped on the 11th June, 1972 from his
house Paharganj, New Delhi ;

(b) whether the boy’s father lodged a
complaint alleging the hand of Paharganj
Police Sub-Inspector in this case ;

(d) if so, the steps taken so far to trace
the boy and to punish the culprit and prevent
further mischief ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No report was recei-
ved at Police Station Paharganj, regarding
kidnapping of Rajendra on 11th June, 1972.
However, on 9th June, 1972 Shri Manohar
Lai Verma reported the alleged kidnapping
of his son Shri Rajendra Kumar at Police
Station Paharganj.

(b) No allegation of complicity of a Sub-
Inspector of Paharganj Police wa» made.

However, such an allegation was made against
a Sub -Inspector of Police Station, Hauz Qazi.

(d) The boy Shri Rajendra Kumar came
back to his house on 12th or 13th June, 1972
and is present there. No corroborative evi-
dence to support the allegation of kidnapping
of Shri Rajendra Kumar has come on Police
record so far.

Peoples living below Poverty Line

2277. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN 2
Will the Ministei of PLANNING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether 40 per cent of our popula-
tion is living below poverty line ; and

(b) if so, the special measures Govern-
ment intend to take for improving their
lot ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) According to availa-
ble estimates, private consumption of Rs. 20
per capita per mensem at 1960-61 prices would
be neeeded to assure a reasonable minimum
level of living. At present over 220 million
or 40 per cent of the people are estimated to
be living below this level.

(b) A major objective of the remaining
period of Fourth Plan and Fifth Plan would
be to improve the lot of the people below the
poverty line. This is sought to be achieved
by—

(i) Provision of employment opportuni-
ties on as large and wide a scale as possible ;

(ii) stabilisation of prices of essential goods
such as foodgrains, edible oils, standard cloth,
sugar and cooking fuels and other necessary
consumers articles ;

(iii) pursuance of a production, distribu-
tion and investment policy that will make for
increased availabilities of items of essential
consumption ;

(iv) determined restraint on inessential
consumption of the relatively well-to-do
classes ; and

(v) provision of social consumption in the
form of education, health, nutrition, drinking
water, housing, etc., at least up to a minimum
standard.

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Increase In Price of Trucks

2278. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether truck prices havg risen by
12 to 15 per cent in the last 14 months ;

(b) whether TELCO which controls as
much as 70 per cent of the total market for
trucks has revised the prices six times between
April, 1971 and April 15, 1972 ;

(d) if not, whether any steps are being
contemplated to control the prices of trucks ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) M/s. TELCO have revised the prices
of their vehicles six times between April, 1971
and 15th April, 1972.

(c) and (d). This is a disturbing trend.
Government are keeping a close watch over
the situation to |udge what action is neces-
sary.

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Prices of Industrial and Chemical Salts

2280. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
the consideration of Government to equalise
the price of industiial and Chemical salts
through out the country ;

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :

(a) The general question of equalisation of
prices of salt throughout the countiy is under
consideration of the Government.

(b) Does not feiise.

Export of Technical knowhow by H.M.T.
to U.K.

2281. SHRI P. K. DEO :

SHRI VEKARIA :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Hindustan Machine
Tools, Limited has recently signed an agree-

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ment with some British Companies for export
of technical know-how ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof ;

(c) whether the attention of Government
in this regard has been drawn to a report in
the ‘Economic Times’ of the 10th July, 1972
captioned “H M.T. export know-how to
U.K.”; and

(d) the amount of foreign exchange
likely to be earned as a result of the agree-
ment ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a), (b) and (d). Hindustan
Machine Tools have negotiated an agreement
with Messrs Wickman Machine and Tool
Sales Ltd., U.K., for licensing manufacture
of H.M.T. Minichucker. The terms of the
agreement being in the nathre of a commer-
cial transaction, it is considered inappiopriate
to disclose the details thereof.

Introduction of changes in the Method of
Planning

22 82. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government propose to intro-
duce certain changes in the method of plan-
ning in the country ; and

(b) if so, the proposed changes ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The main changes arc :

(i) greater emphasis on multi-level plan-
ing, regional planning, area/district
planning and a welcome decentralisa-
tion of the decision making process
within a borad central framework of
Plan formulation and control.

(li) building up a suitable information and
monitoring system for continuous
evaluation and reporting of pi ogress
for better implementation of projects
and programmes in physical and
financial terms.

fill) advance preparation of shelf of pro-
jects and their ex-ante appraisal ;

(iv) integration of Science and Technology
with the process of planning ; and

(v) people’s active and direct participa-
tions and involvement in Plan formu-
lation and implementation.

Proposal^ for Expansion and Reorganisa-
tion of Industrial Testing Research
Laboratory

2283. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
slate :

(a) whether Government have received
any fresh proposal to expand and reorganise
the Industrial Testing Research Laboratory
from the Government of Kerala ;

(b) if so, the main features of the propo-
sal ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). No, Sir.
Recently no fresh proposal has been received.
On the earlier proposal of the Kerala Govern-
ment received in 1971, seeking UNDP assis-
tance to the extent of $ 450,000 (or Rs.32.75
lakhs approximately) for expansion of their
Industrial Testing and Research Laboratory,
Trivandrum, the Planning Commission advised
the State Government to reduce the quantum
of assistance from $450,000 (or Rs. 32.75
lakhs) to $100,000 (or Rs. 7 28 lakhs).

Construction of New Building for S. S.

I.S.I. at Trichur (Kerala)

2284. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the proposed construction of
a new building for the Small Scale Indus-
tries Service Institute at Trichur in Kerala
has started ;

(b) if so, the approximate time by which
it is expected to be finished; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The construction
of the building has not yet started.

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acquired for the purpose, went up in appeal
againt the amount of compensation granted
to him ; first to the sub-Judge of Trichur and
later to the High Court. The enhanced com-
pensation awarded by the High Court has
been paid to the owner. The C.P.W.D. have
prepared the plans which are now under
scrutiny. The work is likely to be taken up
shortly.

Earning of Foreign Exchange

2285. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR s Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have selected
certain items for earning foreign exchange in
the remaining period of the current plan to
meet the foreign exchange needs ; and

(b) if so, what aie those ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Besides,
improvement in earnings of foreign exchange
by Shipping and Tourism and traditional
expoit earning commodities, increases in
export earnings are mainly expected from
items like engineering goods, chemical and
allied Products, geins and jewellery, fish and
fish preparations, iron ore, handicrafts and
ready-made garments.

Appointment of Advisory Body of Experts
for Standardisation of equipment for fer-
tilizer units

2286. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Whl the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMEET AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have appointed
any Advisory Body of Experts to suggest
standardisation of major items of equipment
required in the fertilizer units ; and

(b) if so, the consitution and terms of
icference thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). In order to study and assess the
progiess of development of manufacture of
various types of Chemical Machinery in the
country and to suggest standardised capacities
for various types of chemical plants, Govern-
ment of India constituted in August, 1969 an

Expert Committee known as “Expert Commi-
ttee for Development of Chemical Machinery
Industries".

The terms of reference and constitution
of the Committee are as under : —

Terms of Reference :

(i) to determine and suggest standardised
capacity for various chemical plants,
wherever, possible ;

(ii) to estimate the total cost of equipment
and machinery comprising standard-
ised plants ;

(iii) to indicate the break-up of the requ-
ired equipment and machinery into
indigenous/imported categories ; and

(iv) to suggest which of the items of
equipment falling under the imported
category should be taken up for urgent
indigenous development.

Constitution :

1. Director General of Technical Deve-
lopment — Chairman.

2. Shri M. M. Vadi, S. I. A. (DGTD) —
Member and Alternate Chairman.

3. Dr. A. Seetharamiah, S.I.A. (DGTD)
— Member

4. Shri S. K. Sinha, Senior Industrial
Adviser (DGTD) — Member

5. Shri V. N. Kasturirangan, Ministry of
Petroleum and Chemicals — Member

6. Dr. R.K. Ghosh, F.G.I. Ltd., Member.
Shri H.H. Jethanandani, FCI Ltd., —
Alternate Member.

7. Dr. B.V. Bhoota, Chairman Chemical
Plant and Machinery Association of
India — Member.

8. Dr. M. D. Parekh, Managing Director
M/s National Rayon Company Ltd., —
Member.

9. Shri Ranvir M. Khatau, Director,
Associated Cement Companies Ltd. —
Member.

10. Shri J. P. Mukerjee, Chief Engineer,
M/s. Walchand Nagar Industiies —
Member.

11. Shri K. P. Aiyappan Nayar, Sales
Manager (Plants) FACT Engineering
and Design Organisation — Member.

12. Shri S. C. Banerjee, I. A. (DGTD) —
Member Secretary.

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Availability of Resources for making Ad-
justments in the Five year Plan to meet
the requirements

2287. SHRI S. C SAMANTA : Will the
Mj'nstcr of PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the steps being taken by him to make
adjustments in the Five Year Plan so that it
niu Ij» the requirements of the people in
general ;

(b) by what time the planning from the
village and district level is likely to take
shape, and efforts being made by him to this
end ;

(d) if so, the sources from which these

resources will be made available ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DIIARIA) : (a) The Five Year
Plans are formulated after taking into account
the requirements of the people in general.
The question of making adjustments in the
Five Year Plan for this purpose does not,
therefore, arise. However, m addition to the
Plan programmes, some special employment
programmes have been recently introduced
to alleviate the prevailing condition of un-
employment in the country. They arc in
addition to Crash Scheme for Rural Employ-
ment which will benefit the unemployed and
underemployed in rural areas.

(b) No time limit has been laid down
for completion of the work relating to pre-
paration of integrated district plans by State
Governments. The Planning Commission has
issued guidelines to State Governments for
formulation of distnct plans and is rendering
all possible assistance with a view to expe-
diting preparation of the same. Planning at
village level is not contemplated.

(c) and (d) The question of enhancing
of financial targets and of finding additional
resources on that account, does v not arise,
since adjustments in the Five Year Plan refer-
red to in part (a) of the question are not
contemplated. The funds for the special
employment oriented schemes mentioned in

(a) above would be raised and made availa-
ble by the Centre, and the State Govern-
ments.

Pilot Plant Project for Conversion of
High-Sulphur Low-Ash Assam Coal to
Synthetic Petroleum

2288. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have sanctioned
any pilot plant project for conversion of
high-sulphur low-ash Assam coal into syn-
thetic petroleum ; and

(b) whether Indian Oil and Natural
Gas Commission have refused to collaborate
with the National Committee on Science
and Technology pilot plant project ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) The GSIR have proposed the
setting up of the pilot plant at the Central
Fuel Research Institute at Jealgora to test
the feasibility of coal to oil conversion techno-
logy on which they have already been con-
ducting researches for sometime.

(b) No Sir. GSIR wish to work closely
in this project with the User Ministiy which
would eventually have to exploit this techno-
logy. They have, therefore, referred to the
Ministry of Pc troleum and Chemicals to parti-
cipate financially in the setting up of the Pilot
Plant. That Ministry arc considering the
proposal. This matter is still at the level of
exchanges between CSIR and the Ministry of
Petroleum and Chemicals and no final deci-
sion has been taken.

Nuclear Agro-Induatrial Complex in U. P.

2289 SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be plea-
sed to state :

(a) whether Atomic Energy Commission
intends to establish a nuclear agro-industrial
Complex in Uttar Pradesh ;

(b) the results of ground water survey
conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission
in western Uttar Pradesh ; arid

(c) whether Atomic Energy Commission
has shelved the project to produce nuclear
power and dc-salinized water to feed propo-
sed Mithapur fcrtilizci plant ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF

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ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SH RIM ATI INDIRA

GANDHI) : (a) to (c). Government ha*
decided to set up an atomic power station
at Narora in Western Uttar Pradesh. The
station will consist of two units of 235 MWe
each.

A working group appointed by the Ato-
mic Energy Commission to evaluate the con-
cept of nuclcar-powered agro-industrial com-
plexes has submitted its report. Among the
projects studied by the working group are
those relating to the eastablishment of such
complexes in the Gangetic plain as well as in
the Kutch-Saurashtra region. Further-
detailed studies on these projects are in pro-
gress.

In connection with the feasibility studies
relating to Western Uttar Pradesh, it has
been decided to investigate the availability
and scientific exploitation of undcrgiound
water from this area. This study has not yet
been completed.

Machinery for Satisfactory Planning and
Coordination of Plan Publicity

2290. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : WU1 the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the machinery evolved for satisfactory
planning and coordination of Plan Pub-
licity ; and

(b) the publicity media aims of the 5th
Plan ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Plan Publicity
Schemes are planned and implemented by the
media units of the Ministry of Information
and Broadcasting at the Centre and the Pub-
licity Departments in the States. There are a
few scheme which are part of the programmes
of other developmental Ministries such as
Health and Family Planning. They have the
benefit of the Planning Commission's advice
in the process of planning and coordinated
implementation.

(b) The publicity Schemes for the Fifth
Plan are being formulated by the mass
( ornmijnication media units of the Informa-
bon and Broadcasting Ministry at the Centre
and the publicity Departments in States.

Tald over of whole sale trade of consu-
mer Goode

2291. SHRI RAM PRAKASH :

SHRI N. K. SANGHI :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal to take
over the wholesale trade in essential consu-
mer goods ; and

(b) if so, the advantages from such take-
over and the main features of the proposal ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). Government have under consi-
deration a scheme for maintaining price
stability and ensuring availability of essential
commodities at reasonable prices. This
scheme includes, inter-alia, recommendations
about the role of the public sector in the
wholesale trade in certain essential consumer
goods.

Setting up of Atomic Power Station in
the Western, Northern and Southern
Regions

2292. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI ARVIND NETAM :

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY
be pleased to state :

(a) whether any site has been selected
by the Site Selection Committee for setting
up nuclear power station in Western, North-
ern and Southern regions ; and

(b) if so, their locations and when the
work is likely to be started ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATOIN
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The Site Selec-
tion Committee has so far made recommenda-
tions only in regard to the Northern Region.
The survey in regard to the Western and
Southern Regions is still in progress. The
Atomic Power Station in the Northern Region
will be located at Narora in Western Uttar
Pradesh. Preliminary work such as detailed

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investigations at the site and collection of
data for the design of the Power Station has
been taken up.

Change In the name of Mysore to
Karnataka

2293. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state :

(a) whether any proposals have been
received from Government of Mysore to
change the name of State from Mysore to
Karnataka ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in
this regard ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). A proposal to
this effect has been received only on the 11th
August, 1972 and it is yet to be considered
by the Government.

Survey of Radioactive Minerals

2294. SHRI B V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a survey of radioactive
minerals was undertaken all along the coastal
regions of India ;

(b) if so, the findings of this survey ; and

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) :
(a) Yes, Sir. Surveys have been conducted
by the Atomic Minerals Division of the
Department of Atomic Energy for radioactive
minerals along the Indian Sea Board as a
part of a continuing programme of investiga-
tions for such minerals.

(b) Deposits of monazite associated with
other constituent minerals of beach sands
such as ilmenite, rutile, zircon sillimanite,
kyanite, etc. have been located in noteworthy
concentrations in certain parts of the coastal
tract.

Bhagavantam Committee’s Report on
Survey of India

2295. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bhagavantam Committee has
submitted its report on Survey of India, if so,
the salient features of the report ; and

(b) whether any decisions have been taken
by the Government on the report ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI-
AM) i (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A summary of
the recommendations is laid on the Table of the
House. [ Placed in Library. See No. LT-
3401/72]. The Survey of India has been
transferred from the Ministry of Education
to the Department of Science and Technology
with effect from 3.5.71 and is now functioning
as a scientific adjust to that Department like
the Botanical Survey of India and the
Zoological Survey of India. The recommen-
dations in regard to details of organisation
are under the consideration of Government.

Books etc. produced by Publication
Division

2296. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the names and number of books,
pamphlets and publicity literature, produced
by the Publications Division of the Ministry
in regional languages of the country during
the past three years ; and

(b) the names and number of books,
pamphlets and publicity literature produced
by the Publications Division of the Ministry
in English and Hindi during the past three
years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). A statement giving
the requisite information is laid on the Table
of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-
3402/72]

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Allocttloa on Foreign Exchange to email,
medlnm and big newspapers

2297. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the
reasons for the allocation of foreign exchange
during 1970-71 to small newspapers, medium
newspapers and big newspapers for the purpose
of importing printing and composing machi-
nery, not being in accordance with the terms of
the assurances given in Parliament ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : The policy of Government in regard
to the grant of licences to newspapers for the
import of printing, composing and allied
machinery is to earmark 50 per cent of the
total available foreign exchange allocation for
small newspapers (circulation below 15,000),
35% for medium newspapers (circulation betw-
een 15,000 and 50,000) and 15% for big news-
papers (circulation above 50,000) and that
too for inescapable needs of their plant and
machinery.

The requirements of all small newspapers
which had applied for import of printing
machinery during 1970-71, involving 27% of
the total foreign exchange ceiling, were met
subject to availability of credit from the
countries from which the machinery was
sought to be imported by the applicants. At
the end of the year, as in the past, the foreign
exchange allocation still available with
Government was first utilised to meet the
demands of medium newspapers and only
thereafter the applications from big news-
papers were considered and licences granted
for their essential needs. There is nothing
inconsistent in this procedure with any assu-
rance given to Parliament.

Quota for Imported Newsprint to News-
papers and Periodicals

2298. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Will
the MINISTER of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the basic entitlement of newspapers
and periodicals of imported newsprint ;

(b) whether the different categories of
newspapers and periodicals received during
1971-72 additional quota of imported news-
print in accordance with the percentage fixed
by the Department for such an increase ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRJ DHARAM BIR
SINHAJ : (a) The basic entitlement of news-
print, imported and indigenous, is determined
in terms of Remark V to the Newsprint Allo-
cation Policy for the licensing period 1972-73
a copy of which was laid on the Table of the
Lok Sabha on 1 1, 4. 1972. This entitlement
is for allocation as under: —

Entitlement range

Imported Indigenous

DAILIES

(i) less than 400 tonnes

100%

Nil

(ii) 400 tonnes or above
but less than 1000
tonnes.

90%

10%

(iii)1000 tonnes or above
but less than 2000

tonnes.

82.5%

17.5%

(iv)2000 tonnes and
above

75%

25%

PERIODICALS (Strandard newsprint)

(i) less than 100 tonnes

100%

Nil

(ii) over 100 tonnes

100%

Nil

PERIODICALS (Glazed Newsprint)

All entitlement

100%

Nil

(b) Newspapers and

periodicals

were

allowed additional quota towards permissible
increases in terms of the Newsprint Allocation
Policy for 1971-72, on application, as requird
under Remark VII of the Annexure I to the
Public Notice

(c) Only newspapers and periodicals
which did not apply for such increases were
not allowed any additional quota as admissi-
ble under the Policy.

Per capita Income in M. P.

2299. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
tp state :

(a) the per capita income in Madhya
Pradesh during the last three years, year- wise,
as oompared to other States in the country ;

(b) the per capita income of various
income groups of people in the States as
compared to respective groups in Madhya
pradesh ; and

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increase the income of backward areas in
Madhya Pradesh ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The comparable esti-
mates of per capita income of various States
for the last three years, e g. 1969-70,
1970-71 and 1971-72 are not yet available.
The estimates of per capita State income
have, however, been made for the year

1969- 70 by the State Statistical Bureaux in all
States except Bihar, Jammu and Kashmir,
Kerala, Orissa, Manipur, and Tripura. For

1970- 71, similar estimates have been worked

out by the State Statistical Bureaux of a few
States only, viz. Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh,
Mysore, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal.
Owing to difference in concepts, methodology
source of material and the base years, etc.
these estimates are not comparable among the
States. No estimates are yet available for the
year 1971-72. *

(b) Presently, the per capita income is
being worked for each State as a whole and
not separately for various income groups of
people and, therefore, the information Is not
available.

(c) The development of backward areas
is primarily the function of the concerned
States. However, the steps which the Govern-
ment of India has taken so far for removing
the relative backwardness of the areas in
Madhya Pradesh are set out in the Statement
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in
Library . See No. LT. 3403/72].

Medium Scale Industries in M. P.

2300. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the number of medium scale industries
alongwith their locations in Madhya Pradesh
and the items manufactured by them ;

(b) the total investment of these indus-
tries in the State and the number of persons
employed by them during last three years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD)
{a) and (b), There is no separate classifica-
tion of Industries into large and medium
scale. Therefore, separate statistics are not
maintained in respect of medium scale indus-
tries.

Appointment of Qualified People to
Special Jobs in Various Fields of Admi-
nistration

2301. SHRI FATESINGH RAO GAEK-
WADi Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state :

(a) whether it has been decided to insist,
in feature, on appointment of qualified people
to Special jobs in various fields of adminis-
tration and not to endorse the appointment
of departmental candidates as a matter of
routine ; and

(b) if so, the main points of the decision ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b).
Appointments to posts under the Government
of India are made in accordance with the
rules of recruitment made by the President
under the proviso to article 309 of the Cons-
titution. The .rules specify inter alia the
methods of recruitment as well as the quali-
fications/experience, required for appoint-
ment. The method of recruitment for
a post i. e . whether the post should
be filled entirely by direct recruitment, or
partly by direct recruitment and partly by
promotion from departmental employees, or
entirely by promotion from such employees
is decided taking into account the nature of
duties and responsibilities attached to the post
as well as its job requirements. Arrangements,
therefore, already exist for making appoint-
ments of qualified persons according to require-
ments of the posts.

Increase In Cost of Coal Gasification
Plant at Hyderabad

2302. SHRI FATESINGH RAO GAE-
KWAD : Will the Minister of SCIENCE
AND TFCHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the cost of the coal gasifica^-
tion plant at Hyderabad has escalated by
stages from R*. 21 lacs to Rs. 169 lacs, if so,
the reasons therefor ;

(b) the total amount of infructuous ex-
penditure together with the amount of further
commitments for payment, if any ; and

(c) whether a comprehensive investigation
has been made into the case of pinpoint res-
ponsibility, and if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-

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NIAM) : (a) The amount of Rs. 21.00 lakhs
approved by the Governing Body of the Coun-
cil of Scientific and Industrial Research
(CSIR) in 1962 were based on preliminary
estimates obtained in 1956. However, on the
basis of quotations received Irom several firms
in 1964, an amount of Rs. 45.50 lakhs was
actually sanctioned by the Governing Body.
The escalation should be taken from Rs. 45.50
lakhs. This was mostly due to devaluation
and financing charges under the French credit.
According to present calculations, the total
capital cost of the plant is estimated at
Rs. 96.38 lakhs.

(b) The expenditure of Rs. 35.12 lakhs
already incurred and committed expenditure
of Rs. 33.38 lakhs is not infructuous. The
importance of gasification of coals as an
energy source has to be appreciated in the
context of rising prices of imported crude.
The plant is intended to develop the techno-
logy and know-how on coal gasification of
low grade coals in Godavri and Wardha
valleys. The project continues to be of natio-
nal importance.

Selection of IAS Officers in Higher Posts

2303. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the existing procedure of
selection of Indian Administrative Service
Officers to higher posts is not satisfactory ;
and

(b) if so, the new procedure proposed to
be introduced for the selection ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a). No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

C. B. I. Investigations Abroad

2301. SHRI HARI SINGH * Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the
number and nature of crimes which
were investigated abroad by the Central
bureau of Investigation in 1970 and 1971 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

ministry of home affairs and

in THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) s In 1970

and 1971 there were 54 instances in which
investigation had to be made abroad in cases
investigated by the Central Bureau of Investi-
gation.

In 6 of these cases, officers of the Central
Bureau of Investigation were sent abroad to
make the investigation ; in 41 cases, investi-
gations were got done through the Interpol
and in 7 cases they were got done through
the Ministry of External Affairs.

These cases related to violations of statu-
tory provisions relating to imports and exports
and foreign exchange, misconduct, misappro-
priation, fraud and forgery.

G. B. I. Investigation

2305. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
Minisier of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state ;

(a) the number, of cases where Central
Bureau of Investigation has sought help from
International Criminal Police Organisation,
Paris during the period of 1970 and 1971 ;
and

(b) the nature of cases for which G. B.
I. sought assistance from International
Criminal Police Organisation, Paris ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F.
H. MOHSIN) : (a) 41.

(b) The following types of cases were
referred to the International Police Organi-
sation, Paris by the C. B. I. : —

(i) Violations of the Import and Export
Control Act and Foreign Exchange
Regulations Act.

(ii) Misconduct in securing appointments
on the basis of false certificates pur-
porting to have been issued by
institutions abroad.

(iii) Misappropriation, fraud and forgery
committed in India in which some of
the relevant witnesses had gone abroad
when the cases were taken up for
investigation.

(iv) Pilferage of contents of postal articles
in international transit.

(v) Fraudulent removal of antiques from
India to foreign countries.

(vi) Misconduct (forgery, misappropriation
etc.) of some Indian officials while
they were posted abroad.

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Supersession in Senior I. A* S. Officers

2306. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the
number of Indian Administrative Service
Officers who have been superseded by Junior
Indian Administrative Service Officers, from
January, 1971 to 5th July, 1972, in all the
Departments of Government of India ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : Appoint-
ments to posts under the Central Government
are made, on tenure basis, generally from
among members of the All India Services
and the Central Services, having regard to
the merits, claims and availability of the
officeis in the field of choice.

During the period from the 1st January.
1971, to the 31st, July 1972 53 meinbersof the
Indian Administrative Service held lower
posts under the Central Government, while
officers junior to them were appointed to
higher posts under the Central Government.

Provision in budget for bringing out
monthly Digests in several languages

2307. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether budget of Information and
Broadcasting Ministry two years back provided
for a project to bring out monthly Digests in
several languages ; and

(b) if so, the reasons for not implementing
this project ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) It is now being examined.

Guidelines for establishment of Joint
Sector

2308. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHN-
OLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have prepared
two papers providing guidelines for the
establishment of Joint Sector at the Central
and State levels ; and

(b) if so, the salient points of the guide-
lines ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD)
(a) and (b). The Industrial Licensing Policy
of the Government annouuced in February,
1970 envisages the establishment of Joint
Sector through the conversion into equity of
loans advanced by Public Financial Insti-
tutions to private companies. Detailed guide-
lines in this regard have been issued by the
Department of Banking and copies of the
same have already been laid on the Table of
the House.

Instructions have been issued that where
State Industrial Development Corporations
wish to associate other parties in the projects
licensed to them, the Corporations themselves
should hold not less than 26% of the equity
and no other party should hold more than
25%.

Center al Publicity Advisory Committee

2309. SHRI MADHURYYA IIALDAR :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the names of non-official members of
the Central Publicity Advisory Committee
and their qualifications ;

(b) whether a list of attendance of these
non-official members aL the last three meetings
of the Advisory Committee will be placed on
Table of the House ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) (a) In April, 1972 a Publicity
Advisory Group was constituted. The names
of the non-official members of this Group
are :

1. Shri M. Chalapathi Rau Editor,
National Herald, New Delhi.

2. Shri Miinal Sen, Film Director,
Calcutta.

3. Dr. V. K. Narayana Menon, Executive
Director, National Centre for Per-
forming Arts, Bombay.

4. Shri Dewan Berindernath, Special

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Correspondent, Press Asia International
New Delhi.

5. Dr. Mohammad Ayoob, Associate
Professor, Indian School of Inter-
national Studies, New Delhi

6- Shri S. Sukhdev, Film Director,
Bombay.

All of them arc eminent persons in their
respective fields,

(b) Only 2 meetings have so far taken
place and the attendance of the non-official
members was as follows : —

First meeting held on 20th April, 1972 — 5
Second meeting held on 14th June, 1972 — 2

(c) The functions of the Publicity Advi-
sory Group are to advise the Ministry of
Information and Broadcasting on publicity
matters in general, review the work done and
the programmes put out by the media organi-
sations under the Ministry, consider how they
have reacted on public opinion and suggest
what modifications are necessary and what
programmes should be planned for the
future.

The deliberations of the group at the
meetings have been helpful to the media units
in formulating their publicity programmes.

Short-fall in Industrial Production

2310. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :

SIIRI VAYALAR RAVI :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the
target of and short-fall in the industrial
production during the last three years, indus-
trywise and public and private scctorwisc ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : Statement I showing targets and
production figures of industries in Public
Sector is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3404/72]

Statement II containing index of industrial
production for both public and private sectors
in respect of selected industries is laid on the
Table of the House. [Placed in Library See No.
LT— 3404/72]

Expenditure on the Surrender of Dacoit*
and grant made to Chambal Ghati Shanti
Peace Mission

2311. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :

SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) the total expenditure incurred on the
surrender of dacoits in Madhya Pradesh,
Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan ;

(b) the total Grant provided to Chambal
Ghati Shanti Peace Mission, if any ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F.
H. MOHSIN) : (a) The information is being
collected from the concerned State Govern-
ments and wiH be laid on the Table of the
House.

(b) Rs. one lakh have been given as out
right cash grant and Rs. 50,000 have been
spent for providing various facilities by the
Government of Madhya Pradesh.

(c) An integrated development scheme
for socioeconomic development of the area
and, for the rehabilitation of the dacoits is
being prepared by the Central Government
in consultation with the concerned State
Governments.

Check on Increase In prices of Cars

2312. SHRI P. GANGADEB s Will the
MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether according to the Supreme
Court Judgement on Car price issue the prices
of cars are to be" revised on January 1 and
July I every year ; and

(b) whether any steps have been taken
by Government to see that prices of cars do
not increase every six months, and if so, the
nature of steps taken ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The prices of cars are dependent on
the prices of raw materials, mainly steel, and
of components purchased from ancillary

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units ; as well as on the wage bill, taxes etc.
Steps are taken to have a check on the cost
of the various items, however, they cannot be
controlled by Government action alone.
Further, Government have taken steps to
license a large number of units in the ancillary
Bector for the manufacture of components, so
that the car manufacturers can purchase
these components at economic prices which
will result from keen competition amongst a
large number of supplying units.

Unsatisfactory Delhi Postal Service

2213. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether numerous complaints arc
received about unsatisfactory postal service in
Delhi ;

(b) if so, the steps being taken to improve
the postal service in the capital to ensure
timely delivery ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
A few complaints have been received regar-
ding delay in delivery of letters.

(b) and (c). Continuous efforts are being
made to improve the services ; measures have
been taken to

( i ) combat absenteeism amongst postmen
staff

(li) ensure punctual running of mail
motor service and

(iii) rationalise the beats of postmen.

Effect of Expansion of T. V. on Film
Industry

2314. SHRI R S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the introduction of Television
service has had any adverse effect on the film
industry in the country so far ;

(b) if so, the steps taken to safeguard
the interest of the film industry with the pro-
posed expansion of Television service ; and

(c) whether Government have consulted
representatives of the film industry in this
regard and if so, their views thereon ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND

BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) Yes, Sir The Government is unable
to ^grec to the view of the Film Federation of
India that the T. V. programmes in Delhi
have affected film shows.

Feasibility Report for setting up Indus-
tries In Laccadive, Minicoy and Amin-
dive Islands

2315. SHRI R. S. PANDEY s Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state ;

(a) whether a feasibility study of starting
small scale industries in the Laccadive,
Minicoy and Amindive Islands was under-
taken by Geological Survey of India and
Council of Scientific and Industrial Research ;

(b) whether the study has since been
completed and if so, the findings thereof ; and

(c) the steps taken to encourage indus-
trialists to set up small industries there and
the incentives offered to them for the purpose ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SIIRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) to (c). Information is being collected
and will be laid on the Table of the House.

Emergency Plan for Machine Tools

2316. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the National Committee on
Science and Technology has prepared the
Emergency Plan for Machine Tools ; and

(b) if so, broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA-
MANIAM) : (a) Yes.

(b) The Emergency Plan is a task orien-
ted programme to develop those types of
machines which are presently being imported
and to generate necessary technological compe-
tence so as to achieve self-reliance within a
period of 3 to 5 years. The Hindustan Mac-
hine Tools Ltd. and the Central Machine
Tools Institute will be primarily involved in
developing these machine tools.

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Statehood for Pondicherry

2317. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Pondicherry Chief Minister
has approached the Centre for full Statehood
for the Union territory ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Central Govern-
ment thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Increase in Production of Paper and
Paper Board

2318. SHRI ARVIND NETAM s Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state ;

(a) whether production of paper and
paper board in the country has increased
during this year as compared to the previous
years ; and

(bj if so, the percentage of increase ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) The Production of paper and paper
board during the year 1972 increased from
7,58,549 tonnes to 7,80,828 tonnes.

(b) The increase is about 3%

Non* Medical Insurance Policy Scheme
for Postal Staff

2319. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Posts and Telegraphs Depart-
ment is introducing in near future non-medi-
cal Insurance Policies Scheme for Postal
staff ; and

(b) if so, the time by which a final
decision will be taken and salier^ features of
the scheme ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) t (a)
and (b). Non- medical scheme of business has
been introduced in the Postal Life Insurance
with effect from the 1st of June, 1972. The
Scheme is applicable not only to the Postal

Staff but also to all Other Central and State
Government employees and the permanent
employees of the Local Bodies who are eligible
for PLf . Extra Departmental employees of the
P&T and all Female lives have, however,
been excluded from its purview.

The salient features of the scheme are
that an eligible person may be insured for a
sum not exceeding Rs. 3,500/-or 24 times his
monthly emoluments drawn (rounded off to
the next lower Rs. 100/-), whichever is lower,
without undergoing a medical examination.
His age next birthday at entry should not
exceed 28 years. Only Endowment Assurance
policies maturing at ages 35, 40, 45, 50, 55,
58 and 60 are issued under this scheme.

Indian postal Service Association’s Resolu-
tion to P&T Board

2320. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA s Will^the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Indian Postal Service
Association has submitted a Resolution to the
Posts and Telegraphs Board wherein it has
been suggested that an integrated Postal
Training College be set up ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes Sir.

(b) The matter is under consideration of
the Government.

Abduction of Girls in Delhi

2321. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of girls abducted
during the period from January to June, 1972
in the Union territory of Delhi ; and

(b) the number of girls not recovered so
far and the reasons thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F . H. MOHSIN) : (a) 14.

(b) 2 out of 14 girls have not so far been
recovered. One girl could not be recovered
despite the best efforts of the police. This
case has been sent as untraccd and its inves-
tigation will be re-opened as and when any
useful information is received by the police.

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Efforts are still being made by the Delhi
Police to recover the second girl.

Industries in U. P. during Fourth Plan

2322. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state the industrial units,
both big and medium, which are likely to be
set up in Uttar Pradesh during the Fourth
Plan?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
In the central sector, provision has been made
in the Fourth Five Year Plan for the comple-
tion/setting up of the following projects in
the State of Uttar Pradesh : —

1, Bharat Heavy Elec. Ltd., Hardwar.

2. Gorakhpur Fertilizer.

3. Triveni Structural, Nairn.

4. Bharat Pumps & Compressors, Naini.

5. Gas Cylinder, Naini.

6. Long Distance Transmission Equipment
Factory Naini.

7. Second Telephone Factory, Naini.

8. Tannery & Footwear Corporation,
Kanpur.

9. Kanpur Fertilizers (Govt, share)

10. Indian Drugs & Pharmaceuticals Ltd.
(Antibiotics Factory), Rishikesh.

In the private sector, the number of
industrial licensing applications received,
licences and letters of intent issued, during
the last three years in respect of the State of
Uttar Pradesh are as given below : —

Year

No. of applications

1 received under I (D&R)

| Act. 1951

No. of licences issued

1 No. of letters
| of intent

issued

1969

91 ( 42)

8 ( 2)

24(10)

1970

242 (130)

26 ( 4)

29(20)

1971

334 (227)

48 (13)

100(70)

1972
(up to
30-6-1972)

162 (125)

23 ( 8)

61(49)

NOTE : Figures in brackets refer to new industrial undertakings.

loss incurred by A. I. R. Programme
Journals

2323. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether all the programme journals
published by the A. I. R. with the exception
of Vanoli (Tamil) are running at a loss and
that the major contributors to the loss in
1968-69 have been Akashvani (English), Akas-
hvani (Hindi) and Awaz (Urdu) ;

(b) whether Government have tried to
analyse the factors responsible for this loss ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SIN HA) ; (a) All the Programme Journals
are running at loss, including Vanoli (Tamil).

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) The format, printing and quality of
production of Akashwani (English) have been
changed recently with a view to making it
more attractive. After assessing the success of
these measures, similar steps will be considered
in respect of the other journals.

Decline in Circulation of Air Journals

2324. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARAS-
HAR J Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the average circulation per

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issue of all the 8 Programme Journals of All
India Radio has registered a decline every
year since 1966, in spite of the opening of
additional stations, introduction of new pro-
grammes and sharp increase in Broadcas-
ting Receiving sets ;

(b) if so, the reasons for this decline ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Mainly due to the fact that listeners
get the details of important programmes
through daily announcements over radio
stations and in local newspapers.

(c) Steps to improve the printing and
get up of these journals are under considera-
tion and a beginning has already been made in
the case of Akashvani (English) by introduc-
ing changes in the format, quality of printing
and paper.

Delay in Commissioning of Transmitters

2325. PROF. NARAIN CIIAND PARA-
SIIAR : Will the Minister of INFORMATION
\ND BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been a delay rang-
ing from 5 to 36 months in commissioning of
transmitters after their installation in the past
three years ;

(b) if so, whether Government have
ascertained the causes for this inordinate
delay ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) s (a) Only in the case of the
transmitter at Leh there was a delay exceed-
ing five months between installation of trans-
nutter and inauguration. In other cases the
time-lag has not been more than about three
months. In many cases, it has been much
l'*ss.

(b) and (c). The delay at Leh was
because .the transmitter was installed in
November 1970 but due to the extreme cold
it was decided to inaugurate the Station in

June 1971 after acclimatizing the staff to
high altitude conditions.

Reorganization of Broadcasting Services

2326. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have any plan
for the reorganisation of the Broadcasting
Services especially when it has rejected the
recommendation of the Chanda Committee
for instituting an autonomous Corporation
under an Act of Parliament ; and

(b) if so, the period by which such a
reorganisation would be completed ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes.Sir.

(b) No definite time limit for the com-
pletion of the reorganization can be indicated
at this stage as a final decision can only be
taken after full consideration of all aspects of
the matter and consultation with the authori-
ties concerned.

Installation of a 100 KW MW Transmitter
at Simla

2327. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether 100 KW MW transmitter to
be installed at Simla was received in Decem-
ber, 1967 and that there was delay of 23
months in its inauguration commissioning ;

(b) if so, the causes for delay ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) i (a) The high power medium wave
transmitter for Simla was received in July-
September, 1967 and commissioned on
25.1.1971.

(b) There was some initial delay in select-
ing the site as the site earlier selected could
not be released by the Ministry of , Defence.
Further delay occurred on account of the fact
that the site selected involved a considerable

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amount of levelling before building construc-
tion could begin.

(c) As the delay was due to factors beyond
the control of All India Radio the question of
fixing responsibility does not arise.

Documentary on Netaji Bose

2328. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government decided to pro-
duce a documentary film on life and activities
of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose some three
years back ; if so, the reasons for inordinate
delay in its production ;

(b) whether it will be released before the
next birthday celebration of Netaji on 23rd
January, 1973 ;

(c) whether documentary films on and
photos of Netaji have *been collected from
Japan and South East Asian countries and
Germany, Italy and other European countries
for the film on Netaji under production ;

(d) whether a documentary on Netaji
and I. N. A. was shown on India under the
control of Sardar Patel and then it was
handed over to the Congress I. N. A. Aid
Committee ;

(e) whether that documentary has been
found out and given to the producer for using
as materials for the film on Netaji : and

(f) the salient features of the film ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. A film on Netaji
was included in programme of the Films Di-
vision over three years ago. Leading film
directors were approached and it took about
a year to assign the film. The first director
Shri Mrinal Sen gave up the assignment for
personal reasons. It took more time before
Shri Ashis Mukherjee was assigned in Novem-
ber 1970. He later asked for enhancement of
the contract amount and facilities which arc
under consideration of Government.

(b) No, Sir. However, the Films Divi-
sion proposes to prepare a short film on
Netaji for release on his birthday on 23.1.1973
by using the film material available with the
Division.

Bose particularly of the Azad Hind struggle
period but they were not very successful. Only
a 16 mm film on Net^yi from Germany and a
silent news reel item from Japan which shows
Netaji going to talk on the radio, could be
obtained so far.

(d) The documentary film on Netaji
which was produced by the I. N. A. Defence
Committee was shown in India in almost all
the States ; but Government have no informa-
tion about the handing over of the film to the
Congress I. N. A. Aid Committee.

(e) No, Sir.

(f) The film under production is a two-
reel, Black and white film of a biographical
nature.

Honours to persons who rendered patriotic

services for National Development

2329. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state :

(a) whether along with the freedom
fighters, special honour will be given to those
belonging to the various sertions of the
society, who have rendered 25 years of
patriotic service by their contribution in the
various fields in consolidating and building
our national freedom ;

(b) whether special achievements and
talents in various spheres of national develop-
ments would also be given special recognition
so that a new sense of dignity and honour
can be developed in encouraging services in
the national-building efforts ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. G. PANT) : (a) to (c). Government
have been recognising distinguished service by
individuals in different walks of life through
the Padma Awards. It is not proposed to
institute any special awards for this purpose
during the 25th Independence Jayanti.

25th Anniversary Celebrations of Indian
Independence

2330. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state :

(a) whether special ceremonial functions
will be held in observing the 25th year of
Indian freedom in Andaman and Nicobar
Islands, particularly at Port Blair and Anda-

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man Cellular Jail where Netaji Subhas
Chandra Bose raised first flag of Indian
freedom and had set up Indian administration
of Free India Government at Moirang in
Manipur, where INA raised the National
Flag and Headquarter of Free India Govern-
ment was set up ; at Kohima, where the
epic battle of freedom was fought by INA
and in those jails elsewhere, where INA
prisoners were hanged ;

(b) whether special functions will be
held in all jails where India revolutionaries
were hanged ;

(c) whether martyr's columns will be raised
in all the big towns of India in commemora-
tion of the national martyrs of our freedom
struggle ; and

(d) if so, the main features of such pro-
gramme ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. Cl. PANT) : (a) Accoiding to informa-
tion received so far, the Andaman Administra-
tion would unveil on the 15th August, 1972,
a plaque containing the names of the twelve
martyrs, who died in the Cellular Jail at
Port Blair in the cause of Freedom.

(b) Other State Governments have given
no information on this point,

(c) and (d). According to the National
level programme for 25th Independence
Jayanti, Commemorative Stone slabs, with
inscription of the Preamble to the Constitution
on one side and the names of the freedom
fighters of the local area on the other arc to
be installed one in each block — all over the
country during the Jayanti Year.

In addition, it has been suggested to State
Governments to consider putting up some
monuments or suitable memorials at places
associated with social events in the freedom
struggle.

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Legislation for banning Communal Orga-
nisations and Parties

2334. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whethei there is any proposal under
consideration of Government to introduce
suitable legislation for the banning of commu-
nal organisations and parties in the country ;
and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The
object of the Criminal Law (Amendment)
Act, 1972, which was enacted by Parliament
in the last Budget Session, is, inter alia , to deal
with associations whose activities are prejudi-
cial to the maintenance of communal harmony
and to the interests of national integration.

(b) The Act enlarges the scope of section
153, I. P. C. so as to penalise those kinds of
drills or exercises organised with the intention
or with the knowledge that persons trained in
such activities should resort to violence against
any religious, racial, language or regional group
or caste or community and such activity causes
or is likely to cause fear or alarm or a feeling

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of insecurity amongst members of such group
or caste or community. A new section 153B
I. P. G. has also been inserted to penalise
imputations, assertions prejudicial to national
integration. Further, the scope of the Unlaw-
ful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967 has been
enlarged to include in the definition of “unlaw-
ful association” also associations which have for
their object any activity which is punishable
under section 153 A or under the new section
153B I. P. C. or which encourage or aid
persons to undertake any such activity or
whose members undertake any such activity.

Study Team visiting places in Tamil
Nadu where Police fired in July, 1972

2335. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a Study Team visited the
places in Tamil Nadu State where police
fired at the public at several places in the first
week of July, 1972 ; and

(b) if so, whether the study team has
submitted its report to Government and if so,
the findings thereof and Government’s reaction
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Government had not
deputed any such Study Team to Tamil
Nadu.

(b) Docs not arise.

Raj Bhavans in the Country

2336. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of Raj Bhavans together
with their locations in the country and their
original cost of construction in each case ;

(b) the cost of furnishings of each Raj
Bhavan ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). The informa-
tion is being collected and will be laid on the
table of the House.

Scheme for Training and Assistance to

Engineers by S. S» I. S. I. f Jaipur

2337. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO-
DKAR :

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the report appearing in the
Hindustan Times, dated the 7th July, 1972
regarding the twin schemes of training and
assistance to engineers launched by the Small
Scale Industries Seivice Institute in Jaipur,
Rajasthan ; and

(b) if so, whether such schemes are
proposed to be introduced in other States also
and whether these will solve unemployment
among engineers ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. In order to solve
unemployment among engineers/technicians
and other educated unemployed pci sons, the
Government of India have motivated two
schemes, viz. training of and assistance to
engineers entrepreneurs for self-employment
and a scheme for assisting educated unemp-
loyed. These schemes arc already in existence
in all States and Union Territories. Unem-
ployed engineers are trained to be entrepre-
neurs under one of the schemes by 29 institu-
tes throughout the country. The other schems
aims at providing assistance to the educated
unemployed in the form of equity capital,
machinery on hii e-pui chase, industrial and
commercial estates and assistance to techni-
cians’ Co-operatives within a ceiling of Rs. 6.5
crores per annum.

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Slow growth rate in Electronics Industry

2342. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the growth rate of the Elec-
tronics Industry has considerably slowed down
in 1971-72 ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). The production
of electronics has been steadily increasing
from 1964-G5, when the Bhabha Committee
Report was published. From a total produc-
tion of Rs. 30.5 crores of electronic devices
and components in that year, the production
stepped upto Rs. 175 crores in 1970-71. The
data for the year 1971-72 as brought out in
the Annual Report of the Department for the
year 1971-72 indicates a production of
Rs. 185.5 crores. The production for that
year as expected earlier was Rs. 225 crores.
However, th<' production of radios which had
shown significant increases in earlier years
did not show substantial increase in the year
1971-72 ; and this has to a significant extent
resulted in lower production for the electro-
nics industry as a whole than what was
expected earlier.

In this connection, it may be emphasised
that the impoit content allowed per radio set
is Rs. 0.25 and the investments in this sector
are small. There are, therefore, no restrictions
on production which is essentially defined
by demand ; even in the case of firms
requiring licences in this sector their produc-
tion is well below the approved capacities.

It may also be mentioned that the produc-
tion figures given in the Annual Report are
not based on actual production returns but
are the best estimates that can be made.
Production of a number of electronic items in
significant quantities is being undertaken in
the small-scale sector for which correct statis-
tical data is not easily available.

(c) The Electronics Commission is aware
of this trend and has set up technical sections
to go round the country and to discuss with
private and public undertakings and individual
entrepreneurs and to persuade them to take
to the production of items which are needed
in the country and arc presently being

imported, and to assist them in dealing with
their problems.

Check on Brain Drain

2343. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK Will the Minister of SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether any proposal is under consi-
deration of Government to check the brain
drain and induce Indian Scientists abroad to
return to India ; and

(b) if so, the main features of the propo-
sal ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI-
AM) : (a) and (b). Some of the measures
taken to facilitate the return of Indian
Scientists and Technologists are given in the
Statement attached.

Statement

(1) Arrangements have been made for
enrolment of Indian Scientists and
Technologists abroad in the Special
Section of the National Register of
Scientific and Technical Personnel
maintained by C S. I. R.

(2) The particulars of Indian Scientists
and Technologists enrolled in the
Special Section of the National
Register are published periodically in
separate classified lists for engineers,
scientists, doctors, etc. by C. S. I. R.
and sent to all Ministries, Depart-
ments of Government of India, State
Governments, Union and State
Public Service Commissions, Univer-
sities, Public Sector Industries and
large private sector establishments to
facilitate their absorption.

(3) The Union Public Service Commis-
sion have agreed to treat Indian
Scientists and Technologists whose
particulars appear in these classified
lists as “Personal Contact” candidates
for all posts advertised by them.
Some of the State Public Service
Commissions have also agreed to
treat such persons as personal contact
candidates for posts advertised by
them.

(4) A Scientists* Pool was created under

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the Government of India, Ministry of
Home Affairs (Manpower Directorate)
Resolution No. 8/5/57- MP, dated
15th October, 1958, for the temporary
placement of well qualified Indian
Scientists and Technologists without
an employment. The Pool is adminis-
tered by the G. S. I. R. Candidates
selected arc paid a fixed salary some-
where between Rs. 400.00 and
Rs. 700.00 p. m. and other allowances
at the Central Government rules.
In exceptional cases, salary above
Rs. 700.00 is also offered. The selected
candidates are attached to suitable
organisations and receive their salary
from the date they start work. They
are free to apply for any employment
in India and leave the Pool on
securing one.

(5) The National Registir Unit of C. S.
I. R. issues a monthly Bulletin called
“Technical Manpower” which pub-
lishes among other things, particulars
of scientists and technologists selected
for appointment to the Pool from
different countries. Vacancies availa-
ble in India for qualified scientists and
technologists are also published.
Copies of the Bulletin are sent to all
India Missions abroad and all impor-
tant University Centres in U. K.,
U- S. A. and other countries. It is
also distributed to many (more than
3000) employing agencies in the
Public or Private sectors in India.

(6) In August, 1963, all approved scien-
tific institutions were authorised to
create supernumerary posts for rapid
recruitment of talented persons from
abroad without having to go through
the usual procedural delay. The
scheme was extended ^n June, 1971
to those who had not been abroad, so
that they may not have to go abroad
for lack of employment.

(7) In consultation with the Ministry of
Home Affairs, the U. P. S. C. have
made arrangements for interviewing
Indian Scientists and Technologists
abroad for posts in India. The Indian
Scientists abroad arc considered in
course of this interview, for one or
more categories of vacancies existing
as well as those likely to arise in the
next twelve months, and are empane-

lled depending upon their age, acade-
mic qualifications and experience.

The Government of India have deci-
ded that on their selection to regular
employment in India, Indian Scien-
tists etc. abroad may be granted
economy class air-fare for self and
family to facilitate their return,
provided they undertake to serve the
organisation for a minimum period
of 3 years.

(8) The University Grants Commission
have instituted a programme of
appointing visiting Professors in
Indian Universities for the benefit of
scientists abroad.

(9) For Technologists, a package assistance
is proposed to be given to set up
industry on their return.

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Funds for New Units of H. M. T.

2347. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO-
GY be pleased to state the funds allocated
for the purpose of setting up of new units of
Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd. in the country
in 1972-73 and 1973-74 ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) 1
The details of the funds provided for the
new projects undertaken by Hindustan
Machine Tools Ltd. Bangalore in 1972-73 are
furnished below :

291 Written Answers AUGUST 16, 1972 Written Answers 292

Rs.

Watch Factory II, Bangalore

105 lakhs

Watch Factory III, Srinagar

207 lakhs

Press Division, Hyderabad

140 lakhs

Printing Machinery Project,
Kalamassery (Kerala)

150 lakhs

Tractor Division, Pinjore

100 lakhs

Total :

702 lakhs

As regards 1973-74, the Budget proposals
yet to be finalised.

Non-Utilisation of Development Funds
allotted to backward States

2348. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government of India have
received complaints that ^ number of back-
ward States in the country have not fully
utilised the development funds allotted to
them ; if so, the names of such States and
amount of funds not utilised by them ;

(b) the reasons for non-utilisation of
these funds ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) There has not
been any shortfall in utilisation by the States
considered to be backward, of the Plan
outlays approved for the three years 1969-70,
1970-71 and 1971-72.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Inquiry into the Working of H. E. L.,
Bhopal

2349. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have ever
inquired into the working of Heavy Electri-
cals (India) Ltd , Bhopal ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to
be taken to improve the working thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) and (b). Government keep a close watch

on the working of Heavy Electricals (India)
Limited, Bhopal. A high powered committee
under the chairmanship of Shri M. S.
Pathak, member. Planning Commission also
recently went into the working of this under-
taking and made certain recommendations
to improve the performance of the unit.
These recommendations have been accepted
and are being implemented.

Rapid progress being made by Public
Sector

2350. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Public Sector is making
rapid progress in the country over the plan
periods ; and

(b) if so, the total investment upto the
end of the Fourth Five Year Plan ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The order of investment in the pub-
lic sector which was Rs. 1560 crores for the
First Plan, Rs. 3650 crores for the Second
Plan, and Rs. 7180 crores for the Third Plan
is likely to reach around Rs. 13,000 crores for
the Fourth Five Year Plan period.

Regional Disparities in per Capita Income

2352. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the regional disparities in
per capita income have widened in 1970-71
as compared to 1960-61 ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). There
is no conclusive statistical evidence to show
that regional disparities in per capita income
have widened between 1960-61 and 1969-70
as comparable estimates of per capita income
of States and regions on the basis of income
accrual concept for this period arc not avail-
able. Also, in view of the wide fluctuations
in agricultural income which constitutes a
significant proportion of the total income in
the country and which occurred from year
to year during this period owing to varying

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weather conditions, it will not be appropriate
to take the two terminal years, 1960-61 and
1969-70, for the purpose of comparison of
per capita income of States and regions.

However, according to the comparable
estimates as furnished by the Central Statis-
tical Organisation for the period 1960-61 to
1964-65 and 1967-68 to 1969-70, the per
capita net domestic product (at current prices)
of all the States has increased during this
period though the rate of increase has not
been uniform among the various States.
Similar information for regions within the
State boundaries is not available.

The variations in growth rates were in-
evitable to some extent on account of a
variety of factors — variation in physio-geo-
graphical conditions, natural endowments,
socio-economic situations and infra-structures,
degree of receptivity to modern technology-
especially in the field of agriculture, etc.

Surrender by Dacoits in Madhya Pradesh,
Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan

2353. SHRI K. MALLANNA :

SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of dacoits surren-
deied in Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh
and Rajasthan at the call of Sarvodaya
Leaders ; and

(b) the Central assistance made available
for the formulation and implementation of
plan for socio-economic development of the
Chambal ravines ?

THE DEPUTV MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. I-I. MOHSIN) : (a) Several factors in-
cluding the efforts made by Sarvodaya Wor-
kers and the Central and the State Govern-
ments concerned led to the surrender of 429
dacoits from the middle of April to 22nd
July, 1972.

(b) An integrated development scheme
including reclamation of the Chambal Ravines
is being pepared by the Central Government
in consultation with the Governments of
Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pra-
desh for the socio-economic development of
the Chambal Valley area.

Rare Earth Products

2354. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will

the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is shortfall in the Rare
Earths Products in the country due to the
shortage of caustic soda and steel sheets for
packing ; and

(b) if so, the extent to which it has affec-
ted production in different plants and the
steps taken to increase the supply of these
materials ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI):
(a) and (b). Owing to the shortage of caustic
soda, there has been a shortfall of approxi-
mately 8% against the target in the produc-
tion of rare earths compounds by Indian
Rare Earths Ltd.# Alwaye during 1971-72.
As the production was not up to the target,
the impact of shortage of steel on production
was negligible.

To the extent that there is a shortfall in
the supply of caustic soda by their regular
suppliers, the Company are making efforts to
purchase their requirements from other
sources.

Setting up of a Heavy Water Plant in
Kerala

2355. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be
pleased to refer to the reply given to Un-
starred question No. 427 on 2nd August, 1972
regarding the setting up of heavy water plants
m the country and state :

(a) whether Government have considered
the possibility of setting up such a plant in
Kerala ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) :
(a) and (b). The economics of a heavy water
plant is dependent on the availability of an
Ammonia Plant of a minimum capacity of
900 tonnes per day. There is no Ammonia
Plant with such large capacity in Kerala.

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Large Stocks of Zircon in Hare Earths
Plants in Kerala

2356. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the stocks of Zircon in the
Rare Earths Plants in Keiala have piled up ;

(b) whether the Government have consi-
dered the possibilities of any alternative in-
digenous use of this material ; and

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI):

(a) There is no accumulation ol zircon in
the mineral sands separation plant of Indian
Rare Earths Ltd., at Chavara, Kerala. There
is some accumulation however in their plant
at Manavalakunchi, Tamil Nadu.

(b) and (c). Indian Ran Earths Ltd.
have already set up two plants, one at
Chavara and the other at Manavalakurichi,
to process zircon to cater to a wider market.
It is hoped that with these steps and with
continued marketing efforts, it will be possi-
ble to reduce the stocks in spite of a world-
wide glut of this mineral.

Conversion of reserved vacancies for SC
and ST candidates into general vacancies
in the Planning Commission

2357. SHRI AMBESH : Will the Minis-
ter of PLANNING be pleased to state the
number of posts, category-wise, referred to
him for conversion into general vacancies,
during the last three years for want of Sche-
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribe candidates ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : During the last three
years five Class I (gazetted) and eleven Glass
II and Class III (non-gazetted) posts had to
be de-reserved and declared general for want
of suitable candidates from amongst the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.

According to the procedure laid down by
the Department of Personnel for de-rcscrva-
tion of reserved vacancies the approval of
that Department has been obtained in the

cases mentioned above. The cases are, how-
ever, being scrutinized afresh.

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S.C. and S. T. Employees in Ministry of
Information and Broadcasting

2359. SHRI AMBESH : Will the Minis-
ter of INFORMATION AND BROADCAS-
TING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Class I, II, III and
IV employees in I and B Ministry ;

(b) the number of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes employees ; and

(c) the number of posts, category-wise,
converted into general vacancies in the last
three years for want of Scheduled Tribe
candidates ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b).

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(a) and (b).

Category of

Total Number of

Number belonging to

post

employees
(as on 1.1.72)

Scheduled

Castes

Scheduled

Tribes

997

2,195

110

III

7,660

1,027

247

4,597

1,304

264

Employment for Youth during Silver
Jubilee Year

2360. SHRI P. R. DAS MUNSI : Will
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the Prune Minister has stated
the Silver Jubilee Year as the year of younger
generation ;

(b) if so, whether the Prime Minister
feels the acute problem of unemployed youth
all over the country ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The Prime
Minister has on several occasions impressed
upon the youth of the country that the coun-
try is theirs and that they have a great role
in its development. Piimc Minister and the Gov-
ernment are fully aware of the seriousness of
the unemployment situation in the country. All
possible steps are being taken to provide inc-
reasing employment opportunities for the rural
and urban youth. An allocation of about Rs.
180 crores has been made in 1972-73 for
employment programmes. Details arc as
follows :

(a) Schemes for educated unemployed :

(Rs. crores)

(1) Expansion and improvement of

quality of primary education

29.48

(2) Financial assistance for setting

up of industries

6.50

(3) Rural Engineering surveys

2.85

(4) Agro service centres

0.76

(5) Expansion of Consumer Co-
operative Stores 0.50

(6) Investigation of road projects 0.90

(7) Setting up of design units for

rural water supply 0.44

(b) Schemes for highly qualified
personnel such as engineers,
technology and scientists 20.00

(c) Special employment schemes
undertaken by State Govern-
ments on the basis of Central
assistance amounting to Rs.
26.5 crores and additional
resouices mobilisation by

them

48.67

(d) Special employment Schemes

undertaken by Union Territo-

ries

0.50

(e) Crash scheme for rural employ-

ment

50.00

(f) Drought prone area program-

mes

20.00

Besides, the programme like Small Far-
mers Development Agencies and Marginal
Farmers and Agricultural Labour are expect-
ed to provide increasing employment
opportunities to the youth in the rural areas.
In order to enable -technical and other quali-
fied persons to engage in productive activities,
the State Bank of India and the other natio-
nalised banks have been operating schemes of
special assistance to entrepreneurs to set up
small industries on their own under which
liberal financial assistance is given.

Further, 225 industrially backward dis-
tricts have been selected to qualify for con-
cessional finance for promotion of industries
from the all India term -lending Financial
Institutions ; out of these, 44 districts have
also been selected to qualify for an outright
grant or subsidy by the Centre amounting to

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300

10 per cent of the fixed capital investment of
new industrial units having an investment of
not more than Rs. 50 lakhs each and also the
existing units undertaking substantial expan-
sion of their capacity. Number of districts
entitled foi 10% subsidy has recently been
raised to six in backward States and to three
in other States. These measures are expected
to stimulate industrial development in the
backward areas resulting in a large number
of employment opportunities.

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Shortage of Specialised Men and Tech-
nical Hands

2362. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is an acute shortage of
specialised men and technical hands especi-
ally in Electronic line in the country ; and

(b) if so, what steps Government propose
to take to meet this shortage ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Docs not arise.

cc Chitrahar Programme” over Delhi T.V.

2363. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the songs and scenes screen-
ed in the Television in “Chitrahar program-
me” lack proper planning resulting in presen-
tation of vulgar and obscene scenes from
films ; and

(b) whether Government propose to take
steps to ensure proper selection of songs and
scenes or replace it by some other piogramme
of national urgency ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Chitrahar is a popular entertainment
programme. There is no proposal to replace
it by any other programme.

Creation of a National Hydrological
Board

2364. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will the
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO-
GY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the creation of National
Hydrological Board as a high power inter-
disciplinary body to tackle the country's water
resources problem is under the consideration
of the Government ; and

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302

(b) if so, the reasons for creation of such
a board ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) and (b). The creation of a
National Hydrological Board is under consi-
deration of the Government.

Rent Restriction Laws in Chandigarh

2365. SHRI AMAR NATH VIDYAL-
ANKAR : Will the Minister of HOME
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Chandigarh is the only big
town where exemption from all Rent Restric-
tion Laws continues to be granted ;

(b) whether representations have been
made on behalf of Chandigarh citizens from
time to time requesting for the imposition of
Rent Restriction Laws in Chandigarh as app-
lied elsewhere ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H MOHSIN) : (a) Rent Control Act is
in forc< in most of the states and Chandigarh
is the only big town exempted from rent
restriction laws.

(b) Yes.

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Opening of New Telephone Exchanges In
Calcutta

2367. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether it is planned to open thirteen
new Telephone Exchanges in Calcutta ;

(b) if so, the number of additional new
lines which will be provided thereby ; and

will have cross-bar equipment of American
design ? •

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes Sir. It is proposed to open fifteen new
telephone exchanges in Calcutta during the
next 5 to 6 Years. Equipment for these have
already been allotted.

(b) These, new exchanges will add 51,800
lines to the system.

(c) 14 of the new exchanges will have
pentaconta crossbar equipment manufactured
by M/s. Indian Telephone Industries. One
new exchange will have step by step equip-
ment manufactured by M/s. Indian Tele-
phone Industries.

Alleged harassment of Persons by Police
who Volunteer themselves to take Victim
of Road Accident to Hospital

2368. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM :
Will the Minister* of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether persons who volunteer them-
selves to carry the victim of road and other
accidents in Delhi to the nearest hospital or
provide immediate information to the Police
are subjected to harassments and making
forced statement by the Police ;

(b) if so, whether Government propose to
issue instructions to the police that in no case
such persons should be harassed detained or
forced to sign a statement ;

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Written Answers

304

make necessary amendment in the law so that
the first informer may not be compelled to
give his witness in the court ; and

(d) whether Government propose to ins-
titute awards and prizes to them who
volunteer their services in such cases ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No. Only one com-
plaint of this nature has come to notice since
1971.

(b) The Delhi Police have already issued
instructions to all concerned to avoid any
harassment to such persons.

(c) No. However, Delhi Police have
issued orders that if such persons are not eye-
witnesses, their affidavits be obtained for
tendering in court and they need not be
called for evidence.

(d) No.

Disposal of Properties by Former Rulers

2369. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the inalienability clause in
relation to the palaces and properties of
former Rulers is being revoked to enable them
to dispose of their properties ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). Government
of India had informed the former Rulers as
early as in December, 1954 that it was for
them to decide whether it would be in order
to dispose of by sale or otherwise any of the
items recognized by the Government as private
properties.

The former Ruler of Mysore has asked
for permission to dispose of three of his
palaces as in the inventory of private pro-
perties these were shown as inalienable and
to be preserved for use by the Ruler and his
successors. The whole matter is under
examination in consultation with the Govern-
ment of Mysore.

Trank Telephone Services in Andhra

Pradesh

2370. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS

be pleased to state :

(a) the steps being taken during the
current year to improve the Trunk Telephone
services in Andhra Pradesh ;

(b) whether the proposed Microwave
system from Madras via Tirupati to Bangalore
will link up Chittoor town en route ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Over a hundred trunk switch-boards have been
made available this year to Andhra P & T
Circle for installation in the Circle. Further
allotments of trunk switch-boards are being
made as planned for improving the trunk
service.

The Secunderabad trunk exchange is being
shifted to a more spacious location. Another
large trunk exchange is under installation at
Kakinada. Subscribers Trunk Dialling has
been planned on the following routes :

(i) Guntur-Vijayawada,

(ii) Hydcrabad-Bombay,

(iii) Hyderabad-Vijayawada,

(iv) Hyderabad-Madras,

(v) Madras- Vijayawada,

( vi) Madras-T i rupathi ,

These arc under various stages of installation/
planning. STD service on the Guntur-Vijaya-
wada route is expected to be commissioned
within a year.

(b) No, Sir.

(c) The microwave system linking Madras
to Mangalore and Madras to Tirupati which
form part of Bombay-Mangalore-Madras and
Mangalore-Trivandrum microwave routes are
likely to be progressively commissioned from
1974-75 onwards.

Telephone Division at Chittoor

2371. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a need and justifica-
tion for setting up a separate Telephones
Division at Chittoor ;

(b) if so, the steps taken in this regard ;

and

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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAJCA)

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306

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Investment in Industry

2372. SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state :

(a) the reasons why investment in industry
has not taken place according to the Fourth
Plan projections resulting in industrial stagna-
tion :

(b) what are the existing policies that
need modification to improve the climate
without whittling down the concept of growth
with social justice ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) to (c). The trend of investments in
industry has been reviewed on the occasion
of the mid-term appraisal of the Fourth Plan.
It was found that there have been apprecia-
ble short-falls in the public sector largely due
to slippages in the schedules of construction.
Precise figures relating to private investments
in the organised sector are not available.
While the levels of the capital raised in the
market and the disbursement of funds by the
term lending institutions have shown increasing
trends, the total investments in the private
sector have so far remained below the levels
envisaged in the plan. However, there are
indications that conditions are generally
conducive to accelerated development in the
future, as shown by the general level of
demand for industrial goods and the broad
Picture of investible resources for industry.
The licensing policy has already been oriented
to provide for liberal licensing and to promote
growth in a broad based manner. The num-
ber of letters of intent and licences issued has
been substantially stepped up. The approvals
for foreign collaboration, where necessary, and

for the import of capital goods have been
speeded up. Government has also announced
certain liberalisations for the fuller utilisation
of existing capacities. The investment and
production trends in industry are under
continuous watch by Government.

Permits for Foreign Tourists who visit
Darjeeling

2373. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state whether foreign tourists are required to
obtain permits to visit Darjeeling but are not
required to do so when they visit places like
Srinagar in Kashmir and if so, the reasons
therefor ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : Darjeeling has been
declared as restricted area under the Foreigners
(Restricted Areas) Order, 1963, and as such
foreigners desiring to visit that place are
rcquir^l to obtain permits. According to the
requirements of security, certain areas and
places in Jammu and Kashmir have also
similarly been declared as restricted or pro-
hibited areas in which Srinagar has not been
included.

Purchase of Industrial Plants through
NSSIC on Rupee Payment

2374. SHRI DALIP SINGH: Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state :

(a) whether several proposals for purchase
through National Small Scale Industries Cor-
poration of Industrial Plants from rupee-
payment countries like U.S.S.R are pending
only for want of funds ; and

(b) if so, the time by which the funds
would be made available for the purpose ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) Yes, Sir. Certain cases of that kind are
pending with the National Small Industries
Cdrporation Ltd.

(b) NSIC is resuming issue of orders on a
restricted scale consistent with the present
availability of funds and national priorities.

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AUGUST 16, 1972

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308

bsae of Licence for setting up of Tractor
Factory at Pratapgarh (U. P.)

2375. SHRI DINESH SINGH : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the party to whom a Letter
of Intent was issued to set up a Tractor
Factory at Pratapgarh, U. P. ha9 taken steps
to establish the Factory ;

(b) if so, when is it likely to be com-
pleted ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
(a) The party had submitted the draft colla-
boration agreement whick. they propose to
enter into with their foreign principals. The
terms of collaboration have been approved.
The party had also submitted their applica-
tion for import of capital goods which has
been considered by Government.

(b) and (c). The project is likely to be
completed in three to four year’s time.

Transfer of P & T Employees from
Trichur Telephone Exchange

2376. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN :

SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to state :

(a) the number of employees of the
Posts and Telegraphs Department (Telephones)
who have been transferred from Trichur
(Kerala) Exchange recently ; and

(b) the reasons for their transfers ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Five.

(b) On administrative grounds in the
interest of service.

Meeting of Gronp of Ministers of
“Production” Ministries

2377. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state the important
decisions arrived at the first meeting of the

newly set-up Group of Ministers of ,f Produc-
tion Ministries*' to clear the hurdles in the
industrial growth ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
The Honourable Member presumably refers
to the informal meetings of Ministers for
Planning, Steel and Mines, Railways, Petro-
leum and Chemicals, Industrial Development
and Foreign Trade. This is an informal
group. Specific dicisions are taken in the
concerned Ministries and, when necessary, in
the Cabinet or in the concerned Committee
of the Cabinet.

Amount allotted to Kerala for providing
Jobs to Educated Unemployed

2378. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN-
KAPPAN : Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state :

(a) the total amount allotted to the State
Government of Kerala in order to implement
the scheme for providing jobs to the educated
unemployed during the year 1971-72 and
1972-73 ; year-wise ; and

(b) how much money has so far been
spent thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING ( SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). The

details of the amount allocated and finally
released to the Government of Kerala for
schemes for educated unemployed initiated
in 1971-72 and 1972-73 are indicated below :-

(Rs. lakhs)

1971-72 1972-73

Scheme Amount Amount Amount

allocated released allocated

Expansion and
improvement of

primary education
Assistance for

15.86

12.20

97.86

setting up in-
dustries

48.00

15.70

35.00

Rural engineer-
ing survey

0.95

Nil

5.43

Advance action

on investigation ,
of road works

0.85

0 85

2.55

Rural water supply

0 70

Nil

1.20

66.36

28.75

142.04

309 Re. Motion for Adjnmt.

SRAVANA 23, 1894 (SAJCA) Re. Motion for Atfjnmt. 310

Releases for 1972-73 will be made by the
Government of India to the State Government
depending on the progress of the schemes.

Proposals made by North Eastern Council
for extension of Railways from Dharma-
nagar to Agartala

2379. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
* state :

(a) whether North Eastern Council has
discussed the problem of extension of Railway
from Dharmanagar to Agartala for integrated
development of that region ;

(b) whether any proposal has been made
by the Council for improving road transport
system in that region ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). With the
enforcement of the North Eastern Council
Act, 1971 as from 1st August, 1972, the
Council has come into existence only from
that date. The Council has not met so far.

12.03 hrs.

RE : MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I
rise on a point of order ( Interruptions ).

MR. SPEAKER : What is the point of
order ?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I rise on a
point of order under Rule 376 (2) . . .

MR. SPEAKER : The Speaker does not
normally announce his decision in the House
itself ; he conveys it to the office that such and
such a matter has not been admitted. Please
do not arise it in this manner in the House.
Why do you go beyond the convention of the
House ? ( Interruptions ) It connot be allowed
as an adjournment motion. I have already
conveyed it to hon. Members that it cannot
be allowed as an adjournment motion. If
there is a dispute between the Corporation
of Bombay and the labour, how can it come
here ? At the same time, broad questions
cannot be the subject-matter of an adjournment
motion, They can table other motions for
discussion, but they cannot discuss it through
an adjournment motion. Adjournment

motion has its own rules about it. (Inter*
ruptions ). As hon. Members know, broad
questions of policy cannot be discussed through
an adjournment motion. There have been a
number of rulings in this House before also
that lock-outs, strikes etc. cannot come
through an adjournment motion . . .

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE* On a point
of order . . .

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry it cannot
be allowed as an adjournment motion.

SHRI K.D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj) :
I want to make a very serious effort to under-
stand what this uneasiness from the Opposi-
tion side is about . . . (Interruptions)

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I rise on a
point of order . . .

MR. SPEAKER : So far as the Speaker’s
ruling is concerneg, there can be no point
of order on the question of admitting the
adjournment motion.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly see
the business before the House. I am raising
the point of order under the rule 367 (2)
which says :

“A point of order may be raised in

relation to the business before the House

at the moment.”

At the moment . . .

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed it.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly hear
me, Sir. I am not questioning your ruling.
Under Direction 56 of the Directions by the
Speaker, an adjournment motion always gets
precedence over a calling-attention-notice.
As you are aware, there is a strike going on
in Bombay, and this is because of the failure
of Government to evolve a formula for mini-
mum bonus for the employees or workers . . .

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not bring
in the subject through a point of order . . .

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Further, not
more than one matter shall be discussed, and
the motion shall be restricted to specific
matter of recent occurrence . . .

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. He can
see me in my chamber. I am prepared to
discuss, but not in the House. ( Interruptions ).

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : (Alipore) :
This is a vital matter in which Central

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AUGUST 16, 1972

Re. Motion for Ajjnmt.

312

[Shri Indrajit Gupta]

Government policy is involved* That is why
I want to raise it.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is about
the employees of the Corporation of
Bombay. Flow can it come in Parliament ?

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) s The failure of the Central
Government is established in regard to the
evolution of a bonus formula ( Interruptions ).

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Tomorrow
if the port and dock workers go on strike
in Bombay, it will have to be raised here.

MR. SPEAKER : So far as this question
is concerned, I cannot give my consent to
the adjournment motion.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI R£J BAHADUR) :
May I request that when you are stan-
ding, Sir, they must not keep standing ?
(Interruptions).

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Why did
he stand up when you are standing ?

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PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja-
pur) : On a point of order.

MR. SPEAKER : No. They can see me
in my chamber. But the ruling on the
admissibility of the adjournment motion can
not be discussed in the House. We can meet
and discuss. We can find another way of
bringing this issue here, but so far as this mat-
ter is concerned, an adjournment motion can
not come under this. You can find other
ways of bringing the issue here. #

PROF. MADFIU DANDAVATE : I
want to know whether raising a point of
order is out of order.

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing it.

I am not preparrd to hear him on that.
How can they bring in an adjournment motion
over a matter over which I cannot decide ?

( Interruptions ). I have already explained it to
Prof. Dandavate.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am
rasing another issue. When I met you in your
chamber, I had said something about what
is happening in the city of Bombay, how the
autonomy of the Corporation is being
destroyed. I am not raising that issue here.
In my adjournment motion, the failure of the
Central Government to evolve an agreed
formula in regaid to bonus formally in con-
sultation with the centra] trade unions has
resulted in a situation where there may be
strikes throughout the country . . .

MR. SPEAKER : No, no.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : This
is an all India Issue. The Bonus Review
Committee is within the purview of the
Central Government . . (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : All I say is that, if the
Minister wants he may come out with a
statement. If you so desire, this matter can
be brought up through call attention motion
or something, not J through adjournment
motion. . (Interruptions). Mr. Khadilkar has
come and 1 shall explain it to him. They
came through an adjournment motion which
I have not accepted. The Opposition leaders,
Shri Indrajit Gupta, Prof. Dandavate. . . .

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : All the oppo-
sition people . . (Interruptions.)

MR. SPEAKER : They said that some
strike was going on.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We are not
averse to a discussion. The main question
is whether it could be discussed m the form

313 Re. Motion for Atfjnmt. SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SARA) Re. Motion for Adjnmt. 314

of an adjournment motion. You very rightly
said that it could not be discussed that way.
Therefore we can discuss it in the Business
Advisory Committee.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : You want
the strike to continue ?

MR. SPEAKER : You bring in matters
which are not within our jurisdiction.
.... ( Interruptions .)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : If it is a
matter which does not concern the Central
Government, please do not ask us to send call
attention notices. What is the logic ? If we
can raise it through other motions, we can
raise it through adjournment motion also.

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a matter for
adjournment motion. ... {Interruptions). Mr.
Khadilkar.

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : I should like to know what is the
demand ? . . . . ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : The demand is this,
I have not allowed the adjournment motion
that came. But they say this concerns the
Central Government and the strike is there
between the Bombay Corporation and its
employees. The second question is the question
of bonus, which they say is an all-India ques-
tion. In the motion that came to me day be-
fore yesterday from Mr. Dandavate, only the
strike was mentioned, which I did not accept.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : That
is not correct.

MR. SPEAKER : They have added this
question of bonus today, over which the
Government of India has not yet decided. I
have not accepted the adjournment motion
but I wish you collect the facts about it and
come out with a statement.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : I do
not think hence forward any member of the
Opposition is going to be able to convince
you about when an adjournment motion
should or should not be tabled. Therefore I
suggest a drastic change of procedure which
will remove the discretion from the hands of
the Speaker about giving consent to an
adjournment motion.

MR. SPEAKER : I am not bound to
tell the House the reasons. If the hon. mem-
bers meet me in my chamber I can tell

them. I convey it to them through the
secretariat. They tell them the reasons.
(Interruptions). Every day we discuss several
matters through calling attention motions, under
Rule 377 and in so many other ways, which
I allow. But an adjournment motion must
come within the rules prescribed for it.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : This does come.

MR. SPEAKER : It does not come.
You get so many opportunities in the past
members did not get it.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Before
the Labour Minister makes a statement, we
want a categorical formulation. With great
respect to you, may I say, I have not raised
merely the issue of the Bombay strike ? What
I have raised is the failure of the Union
Government to evolve an acceptable bonus
formula, acceptable to all Central Trade
Union Organisations, resulting in country
wide discontent amongst industrial labour, as
evidenced by the strike of 1.50 lakh workers
in Bombay.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Raj nandgaon) :
You have ruled out the adjournment motion.
You further said that unless a calling atten-
tion is there, the House cannot discuss the
Bombay strike. I want to know whv you are
asking the minister to make a statement. I do
not challenge your ruling but when there is
no business before the House so far as the
stiike in Bombay is concerned — there is neither
an adjournment motion nor at calling attention
now-why are you asking the minister to make
a statement ? You have ruled out the adjourn-
ment motion on the strike because it is a
State subject. About bonus also, there is no
calling attention. ( Interruptions ).

MR. SPEAKER : My exclusion of the
adjournment motion does not deprive them
of their right to have some information
through other motions. . [Interruptions). So far
as this adjournment motion is concerned,
that is excluded. They can get information
through Calling Attention or some other way.
My disallowing the adjournment motion docs
not mean that they cannot get it through
other means.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How ?

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI :
(Shajapur) : Is the Minister making a state-
ment or not ? . . (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : So far as matters con-

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cermng bonus are concerned, which come
within the jurisdiction of the Government of
India, he may make a statement later on.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Bihar) : Sir, I
rise on a point of order. When an adjourn-
ment motion was given notice of, you have
ruled that it is out of order. Is it then pro-
per, or would it be under the rules for the
chair to ask the Minister to make a statement
even on facts ? The question was raised under
rule 377. The lules are absolutely clear in
the matter. . ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : Leaving aside rule 377
if I do not allow an adjournment motion, I
can even otherwise ask the Minister to make
a statement if hon. Members are agitated
over a particular issue. On the question of
bonus they have a right to ask the Minister to
give some information. But I have made it
clear that it would not be* an adjournment
motion.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, on a
point of oidcr. I am sorry to say that what
you have said is not correct. Under rule 377
I wanted to raise a matter. You, in your
wisdom, disallowed it. Now you are saying
“I do not allow the adjournment motion ; I
will ask the Minister to make a statement’*.

MR. SPEAKER : Why should I not ask
the Minister to make a statement?..

(. Interruptions ).

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : What is the
position of the Minister ? Are the Congress
Members advising him not to make a state-
ment. . ( Interruptions )

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 2 The
INTUC people are pressurizing him not to
make a statement. . ( Interruptions .)

MR. SPEAKER : I have said that it is
up to the Minister to make a statement.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupuzha):
Sir, on a point of clarification. The only rule
under which the Minister can make a statement
is rule 372 . . ( Interruptions ).

The point that I want to make is .
{Interruptions.) I am not going to yield ; I am
also entitled to make a submission. I shall
not be cowed down that way. The only rule
under which the Minister is to make a state-
ment is Rule 372. It says :

"A Statement may be made by a
Minister on a matter of public importan-

ce with the consent of the Speaker but
no question shall be asked at the time
the statement is made.”

The question is, whether the Minister is seek-
ing the consent of the Speaker or whether
the Speaker is directing the Minister to make
a statement. The Minister may seek the con-
sent of the Speaker and the Speaker may give
his consent. I want to know whether the
Minister is seeking the consent of the Speaker
or the Speaker is directing the Minister to
make a statement. According to me, the
speaker cannot direct the Minister to make a
statement (Interruptions),

SHRI JAGDISH CHANDRA DIXIT
(Sitapur) : I rise on a point of order.

The question that has been agitated before
the House is that of bonus. For that, we can
have a discussion under Rule 193 on some
day because we would have to go into the
pros and cons of everything. But then, just
forgetting your ruling. . {Interruptions). Why
are you afraid of going to the field, talking
to the persons, looking into the pros and cons
. . (Interruptions) . My demand is that let us
examine the question of bonus on some day
and let us devote half an hour on it. There-
fore; I stress that the demand for adjourn-
ment motion is neither desirable nor necessary
(Interruptions.)

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As you
desired I should say something, two points
were raised. Firstly, it was regarding the
Bombay strike. As you are well aware, the
present scheme of bonus docs not cover the
local authority. The question of the Bombay
strike will be dealt with by the appropriate
Government, that is, the State Government.
This House has no authority so far as the
constitutional position is concerned.

Regarding the question of bonus in gene-
ral, as you are aware, I have replied on
several occasions that the entire scheme is for
review before the Committee. The Committee
is seized of the matter. If somebody raises a
question as to whether the Committee will
give an interim report or that it will give a
final report, what is the position about bonus
scheme, if there is notice, I will state the
position. At the present juncture, I cannot
say anything because the Committee is seized
of the matter so far as the bonus scheme is
concerned. ( Interruptions )

Some Hon, Members then left the House.

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GALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF
URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE

Reported failure of the Government to
complete Farakka Barrage as scheduled

MR. SPEAKER : We now take up the
call-attention. Mr. Samar Guha.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Before
I call the attention of the Minister, I want
to tell you, Sir, that I am in agreement with
the members of Opposition to leave the
House. But since the Farakka issue is a very
vital and important one, affecting a large
section of our nation, while associating myself
wholly with the Opposition’s decision to leave
the House, I have to remain in the House to
call the attention of the Minister and the
House.

I call the attention of the hon. Minister
of Irrigation and Power to the following mat-
ter of urgent public importance and request
that he may make a statement thereon : —

“Repoited failure of the Government
to complete Farakka Barrage project as
scheduled and assuring discharge of ade-
quate quantum of Ganga water through
the feeder canal into the river Hooghly.”

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND PO-
WER (SHRI B N. KUREEL) : The main
objective of the Farakka Barrage Project is to
provide regulated upland discharges into the
Bhagiiathi-Hooghly system in order to bring
about impiovcmcnt in the navigability of the
Hooghly for the preservation of the Port of
Calcutta. For this a barrage across Ganga
and a Feeder Canal to carry the waters to
Bhagirathi and other ancillary works were
sanctioned in 1960. Expenditure sanction
was given in 1962. The barrage work was
started early in 1963. Barrage and Canal
works were originally scheduled to be com-
pleted by June, 1971. The present position
is that Farakka Barrage and most of the an-
cillary woiks were completed by July, 1971.
The rail-cum-road bridge over it has also been
completed and this has provided rail and
load links to North Bengal . . .

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : We have already
?ol a copy of the statement. Why should he
read out the whole statement, Sir ?

MR. SPEAKER : The statement has al-
ready been sent to the members. It may be

Barrage (C. A,)

taken as read. The hon. Member may ask
the question.

SHRI B, N. KUREEL: I beg to lay
the Statement on the Table of the House.

Statement

The main objective of the Farakka Bar-
rage Project is to ptovide regulated upland
discharges into the Bhagirathi-Hooghly system
in order to bring about improvement in the
navigability of the Hooghly for the preserva-
tion of the Port of Calcutta. For this a barrage
across Ganga and a Feeder Canal to carry
the waters to Bhagirathi and other ancillary
works were sanctioned in 1960. Expenditure
sanction was given in 1962. The barrage
work was started early in 1963. Barrage and
Canal works were originally scheduled to be
completed by June, 1971. The present posi-
tion is that Farakka Barrage and most of the
ancillary works were completed by July, 1971.
The rail-rum-road bridge over it has also
been completed and this has provided rail
and road links to North Bengal.

The Feeder Canal is one of the largest and
difficult constructions in the world having a
bed width greater than even the International
Suez Canal in Egypt. The work on the canal
was started in 1965 and has spread over a
number of working seasons some of which
were short owing to early rains and sustained
prolonged floods. There was a great labour
unrest since 1969, both in contractors’ organi-
sations as well as in departmental work,
affecting the pace of work. Notwithstanding
the above, more than 80% of the work of the
Feeder Canal has been done and the balance
is expected to be completed by December,
1973, we hope to let down the Ganga water
through the canal early in 1974.

Regarding the discharge of adequate
quantum of Ganga water through the Feeder
Canal into river Hooghly, a statement is laid
on the Tabic of the House.

Statement re. Farakka Project and Port of Calcutta

Necessity for Headwaters Flow

1. The Port of Calcutta is situated on the
Lower Hooghly at a distance of 128 miles from
the sea. The navigation conditions of the
Lower Hooghly are progressively deteriorating
and many famous engineers have been think-
ing of how best to check this tendency. Sir
Arthur Cotton suggested, a century and a
half back, the construction of a barrage
on Ganga at Rajmahal. Twenty years back,

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[Shri B. N. Kureel]

Government of India constituted a Committee
under the Chairmanship of Shri Man Singh
to examine matters relating to the improve-
ment of headwater supply of the river
Hooghly. Later on the subject was further
studied by a number of engineers including
Dr. Hensen of Germany and is even now
being vigorously pursued. Hydraulic model
studies have also been employed.

2. It has been agreed that the main rea-
son of deterioration is the absence of adequate
and continuous flow in Bhagirathi due to
siltation of the river at the off-take point
from the Ganga. It is stated that Ganga was
originally flowing till four centuries back
along Bhagirathi- Hooghly and due to being
silted up at the mouth of Bhaghirathi, Ganga
is now flowing through Padma, which used
to be a minor branch of the Ganga. The
flow in Bhagirathi is, therefore, confined to a
small discharge and this too Vor a maximum
of 60 days in a year at the time of highest
floods in Ganga.

3. The necessity for a barrage across
Ganga to ensure augmentation of headwaters
has been thus accepted and even during the
Partition of India, this fact played a large
part in fixing the boundaries between India
and the then Pakistan in this region.

4. The only question that remained was
with regard to the quantum of water that
should be let down and its duration. Shri Man
Singh’s Expert Committee Report on the
river Hooghly and the improvement of its
headwater supply submitted in October 1952,
fixed the discharge of the feeder canal from
Ganga at 20,000 cusecs (page 56 of the Report).
They observed further : —

Period

January to 15th March
15th March to 15th May
1 5th May to 20th June
20th June to 30th June
July to September

“Different opinions have been expres-
sed regarding the quantity of water which
should be introduced into the Hooghly.
That there is an optimum quantity cannot
be gainsaid. Larger quantities will tend
to erode the banks, bring down a heavy
charge of silt which would tend to create
difficulties in the tidal reaches, while too
little would not reinforce the ebb cur-
rent in the tidal reaches to the extent
which would enable it to carry back the
silt brought up by the tidal inflow. Small-
ness of the scale of the models made it
difficult for the Research Station at Kha-
dakvasla to determine the minimum dry
whether discharge required to maintain
the river in regime.* *

5. Further studies were carried out and
finally the Ganga Barrage Project Report
was prepared in 1959. The cost was estima-
ted at Rs. 56.40 crores. When the Project
came up for approval. Planning Commission
observed as under : —

“The Planning Commission had ac-
cepted the Project as being necessary for
the preservation of the Port of Calcutta
besides its other benefits, on the basis of
general consensus of technical opinion
that the scheme was technically sound,
even in spite of the full suspension of
the withdrawals in periods during March-
May.”

The Ganga Barrage Project, which was
sanctioned by Government of India in April
I960, took note of the various view points
with regard to duration of head discharge
and made provision for the operation cycle
of moderated discharges at Kalna as follows : —

Proposed flow at Kalna
(Cusecs)

40.000 to 20,000

Upto 20,000 (as available)

20.000 to 40,000

40.000 to 60,000

Steady rise from 60,000

upto say, 140,000 and to

80.000 towards the end of

September.

October

November

December

80.000 to 40,000

40.000

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It was also further observed that “The
suggested Operational Programme, based on
the available hydrological data, will have to
be further examined and improved with the
help of more data that will be subsequently
collected and will be tested at the Central
Water and Power Research Station, Poona,
for the optimum effects on the bars and cros-
sings in the Lower Hooghly.**

6. Ganga Barrage was taken up for cons-
truction and the Barrage was completed by
July 1971 and has been providing rail and
road links to North Bengal since then. Most
of the work on the Feeder Canal has been
done and it is expected to be completed by
December 1973 and it is programmed to let
the Ganga water through Feeder Canal into
Bhagirathi early in 1974. It may be noted
from the Operational Programme that it was
proposed to run the Feeder Canal at 40,000
cusecs practically for ten months and for two
months — mid-March to mid-May — with lesser
discharges, upto 20,000 cusecs.

7. In the last few years, controversy
regarding the quantum of water to be let
down into the Feeder Canal during the lean
months of mid-March to mid-May started.
There are two distinct schools of thought.
One group of engineers feel that even for the
two lean months, full discharge of 40,000
cusecs should be allowed to flow as otherwise
the deterioration of the Port cannot be check-
ed. Another group feel that in the two
months the dischaige in the Canal can be
reduced without affecting the health of the
Port. They argue that in view of drainage
congestion, the need to flush Bhagirathi head
by reversing the flow at Jangipur and possibi-
lity of excess bed sediment movement going
down to Port area, the flow in the lean
months should be reduced as envisaged at
the time of the sanction.

The best way of settling the controversy
would be to make observations on the proto-
type, that is, field observations.

8. Ganga carries a flow of 50,000 to
60,000 cusecs during lean months of mid-
March to mid-May, the quantity varying
from year to year. This water is contributed
mostly by Ghagra, Gandak and Kosi, as
other rivers have little discharge during the
lean months. Even main Ganga and Yamuna
do not contribute as irrigation projects on
those rivers as at Hard war, Narora and Taje-
wala and Okhla (Delhi) developed several
decades ago utilise the waters of these tribu-

taries. Ghagra has two tributaries, Sarda and
Karnali. Extensive irrigation has been deve-
loped on Sarda since 1927. It was found
later that the Sarda system did not have
sufficient water to supply water to fields. Most
of the canals were running empty and many
foreign and Indian engineers and economists
observed that the Sarda system required rein-
forcement. Therefore, a scheme was sanctioned
in 1968 which supplies water from the other
tributary of the same river, and the project was
named as Sarda ‘Assist*. No new canal system
is to be constructed but only a feeder canal to
supply water to the various canals constructed
several decades ago.

On Gandak, as a result of several repre-
sentations and investigations, an irrigation
project ‘Gandak Project* was approved in
principle in 1958 to provide irrigation in
Bihar, Nepal and U. P. and is under cons-
truction. t

Similarly on Kosi, an irrigation project
was sanctioned in 1956 to irrigate 15 lakh of
acres on Eastern Canal. This is besides
Western Kosi Canal, which was under discus-
sion with Nepal all along and undertaken
only recently.

As other tributaries of Ganga do not
contribute much to Ganga flow in lean
months of mid-March to mid-May, develop-
ment of irrigation projects on these will not
have any impact on the flow in Ganga during
the two months. These projects essentially
supply water during Kharif season and during
rabi season where stored waters are available.

Thus, it is to be noted that prior to sanc-
tion of Farakka Barrage Project, some pro-
jects were approved to supply irrigation
waters during the lean months. As these
projects have not yet come into full use, the
flow in lean months in Ganga is not yet
affected.

9. Having regard to the doubts expressed
by some people. Government of India wish to
reiterate that Calcutta Port will not be allow-
ed to deteriorate and all the modern techni-
ques of adequate supply of headwater dis-
charge, and optimum dredging of tidal prism,
where necessary, river training measures etc.,
will be fully utilised to ensure the health of
the great Port of Calcutta.

10. A start on the extensive collection of
prototype data has to be made from the com-
mencement of next year (1973) and this will

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continue for a further period of ten years.
These pertain to the river Bhagirathi, tidal
reach above Calcutta, and reach from Cal-
cutta to Mayapur and the river beyond.
These observations will include, taking cross
sections at frequent intervals, discharge mea-
surements, hydrographic survey of the river
throughout the year, analysis of bed load
samples, collection of tidal data, velocity and
silt charge observations, salinity observations,
daily depths on bars and crossings, shifting
of navigation tracks, dredging data and inves-
tigations with sand trap across the river near
Calcutta for the assessment of sediment trans-
port. These will be organised by a study
team under the auspices of the Ministry of
Shipping and Transport, who will co-ordinate
the works of various agencies like the Cal-
cutta Port Commissioners, Centra] Water and
Power Research Station at Khadakvasla, etc.
State of West Bengal will ^Iso participate in
this.

11. Results of model tests in Central
Water and Power Research Station at Poona
show that the discharges given in the original
report of 1959 are found to be satisfactory
but the model tests by the Calcutta Port
Commissioners indicated the requirements of
higher discharges at 40,000 cusecs during
lean months. Due to difficulties of simulation,
model tests, specially for large rivers, have
serious limitations in giving any precise quan-
titative answers to problems and can, at best,
be indicative. It is difficult to quantify precisely
at this stage as to what is the discharge re-
quired to meet the needs of Calcutta Port.
The exact requirements of water are best
determined by observations on the prototype
itself. It is, therefore, decided to adopt the
following procedure for operation of the
Farakka Project :

(a) For five years after water is let down
into the Feeder Canal, the Feeder Canal will
carry the full discharge of 40,000 cusecs
throughout the year including lean months.

(b) The necessary discharge for efficient
functioning of Calcutta Port by continuing
the improvement as a consequence of (a)
will be determined by the team mentioned
in para 10 by observing the effects during the
first five years and subsequent two years when
the discharges will be varied.

(c) Simultaneously with the above, trench
dredging will be carried out above Howrah
bridge in varying degrees, so that the afore-

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said Study Team can observe its effect on
tidal prism and check any heavy movement
of bed sediment on to the port area. The
dredged material may be used for reclamation
work for which schemes would be submitted
by West Bengal Government later on.

(d) After the period of seven years, the
entire position will be reviewed in the light
of reports and observations of the aforesaid
Study Team.

12. In conclusion, it may be stated that
the Government of India fully recognise the
importance of maintaining the navigability of
the Hooghly for the preservation of the Cal-
cutta Port as one of the topmost Indian Ports
and will take all necessary steps to ensure the
same.

It is to be noted that the interest of up-
stream irrigation projects will also be fully
safeguarded.

Finally, it may be stated that legitimate
interests of Bangla Dcsh will be kept in view
and no arrangement made by us will adverse-
ly affect these interests.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon.
Minister for irrigation and power is reputed
to be very vocal and makes longish statements-
he makes a longish reply to a small question.

I am extremely astonished as to what has
happened to him today. He is not reading
out the statement himself and is taking
shelter under the younger one. I do not want
him to do it.

This statement of the Minister is a narr-
ation of history. Narration of history, in a
way that is also a distortion of facts, suppre-
ssion of facts, evasion of facts. He has conve-
niently chosen certain reports of certain
experts but he has conveniently excluded the
reports of certain international experts and
those experts who were directly connected
with it and whose services were commissioned
by the Government of India. I want to know
why the Minister has chosen to quote exten-
sively from Man Singh’s reports, and not from
Dr. Hansen's report. But there arc reports
of Dr. Hansen, Dr. Dronkard and also by
Dr. Joglekar and also there is the report of
Mr. A. C. Mitra, Chairman of the Technical
Committee of Farakka. What about that ?

I wanted to use a strong word but I want to
desist from doing that.

In a way he has given an impression in

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this House as if there are two opinions, two
schools of thought about determining the
quantum of the discharge of Ganga water
into the proposed feeder canal for the river
Hooghly. He has said that the Poona Institute
had conducted experiments. Also the Hydro-
logical Institute of the Port Commissioners of
Calcutta has also conducted another set of
experiments. I have no time to go into them.
I do not know what is the contradiction.
The Poona Institute has conducted experi-
ments but they have not come to any con-
clusion. It is wrong to say that there are two
schools of thought in determining the quantum
of Ganga water that will be discharged into
the proposed feeder canal.

The international experts whose services
were commissioned for this purpose have
also submitted their report. Instead of making
such a long statement, it would have been
better if the Minister would have come
straightaway to the last page and tell us
what actually he wanted to do

One more submission I want to make.
Before coming to that I want to draw your
attention to one thing. An impression is
being surreptitiously tried to be created as if
the problem of the Calcutta port is the pro-
blem of the State of West Bengal. No, Sir,
it is not a problem of the State. If you
recollect, Sn, the statement of Pandit
Jawaharlal Nehru on the floor of this House,
also said that the task of the preservation of
the port of Calcutta is a great national task.
It is not a State matter. But if you still say
so, I would not call it ‘anti-national’, but I
will call it an a-national or non-national
poser. The Calcutta port is almost facing the
death pangs and it is a national issue. Why
is it a national issue ? Calcutta port was the
first port among the major ports of India
when India became free. Now, in handling
traffic, the position of Calcutta port is rele-
gated to the fourth position. Sir, out of 365
days, ships of 26ft. draft cannot enter for
more than 68 days. For the last 10 years,
every year Rs. 30 crores is spent for dredging
purpose, for filling up the gaps of the deficit
budget of the Calcutta Port and for paying
the capital invested for Farakka Barrage
Project. Problem facing Calcutta Port is a
national problem. It is still a national port.

It still handles 45% of our exports and 31%
of our imports. It earns one-third of our
foreign exchange. It handles the maritime
traffic of whole of Eastern India, namely of
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Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa, Eastern UP, and
West Bengal. It also handles the maritime
traffic of Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim. There-
fore, Sir, can it be called a State problem ?
Calcutta port is some kind of an ‘Economic
Grid’ for sustaining the economy of the
eastern region of our country.

We should look at it from a national
perspective. 85 per cent of the workers in the
Calcutta port are geographically- speaking,
coming from the other States. On both sides
of the Hooghly, we find that the industries are
owned by men who are geographically from
the other States, not belonging to West
Bengal only. Therefore, it is a national
problem. It is not a State problem.

Sir, it is a seven-page statement that the
hon. Minister has given. It will take some
time for me to elaborate my points. I now
come to the question. For five years, what
will be done ? 40,000 cusecs of water will
be discharged to the feeder canal during all the
months. Then for 2 years variable quantums
of water will the given. Then, after that,
there will be a prototype study regarding the
nature of the vagaries sand bars and sand
prism in the bed of the Hooghly. There is to
be a prototype study like this. In the first
instance, you say; 40,000 cusecs of water will
be given. Then you say, variable quantum
of water will be given for 2 years. May I
know under what reasoning you have come
to this conclusion ? How do you come to the
conclusion that it will be variable ? It is
stated that a prototype study of the move-
ment of sand in the bed of the Hooghly
estuary will be made on the basis of the
finding of the hydraulic study. Now, how
can you determine as to what will be the
necessary quantum of Ganga water ? How
would you know what its effect would be ?
What is the basis on which you can determine
all these things ? .How can you say, this
40,000 cusecs will be for five years and then
variable quantum for two years ? How can
you make the quantity variable ? What is the
basis for these things ? What is the data ?
What is the statistics ?

It is stated that it will take 10 years for a
prototype study of the movement of the sands
of the bed and the vagaries of the Hooghly
river. Without having some data or some
statistics how can you come to any such
conclusion ?

We know so many schemes about the
use of the surface water in the Upper Gan-

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[Shri Samar Guha]

getic Region. Is it not a fact that the G. S.

I. has made some elaborate hydrological
study of this region ? Have they not pointed
out certain things regarding the use of the
under- ground water in the northern region ?
Did they not say that the over-use of the
surface water may lead to the massive alkali
infestation as in the Thar region of Pakistan,
as also already manifest in Etawah and in
the Upper Gangetic region ? Will not overuse
of this surface water make alkali infestation
possible and make large areas of cultivable
land in the upper regions unusable ? Why
do you not make use of the hydrological
data ? Why do you use the surface water,
when under-ground water can be used by
means of tube-wells, and open wells system ?

If this is done, there will be two things which
will happen. Firstly, it can protect the area
from the possible massive alkali infestation of
cultivable land. Secondly, it will help to
conscive the Ganga water for keeping the
flow between Allahabad and Patna and also
for discharge of Ganga water for the Farakka
feeder canal.

Now, I shall conclude by putting a few
pointed questions. I want to know fiom the
hon. Minister (a) whether 40,000 cusces of
water will be ensured for ten years by which
time the piototype studies on the effect of such
water discharge will be completed and the
findings assessed and the statistics assessed for
fresh determination of quantum of water (b)
whether a high-powered agency will be
formed to ensure discharge of 40,000 cusccs of
water throughout the year as indicated by
the hon. Minister, (c) whether a scientific
study will be made about the possibility of using
underground water or ground waters since a
study was made by the Geological Survey of
India to find out alternative sources of water
for irrigation purposes and also to save the
Upper Gangetic region from alkali infesta-
tion and thus conserve the water ultimately
for flushing out the lower region of the
Hooghly, and whether a task cell will be set
up to tackle all the problems like the deficiency
in the earth excavation equipment of the
barrage and also the dilatory tactics of the
feeder canal contractor as also the labour
trouble there ? The time-schedule for the
completion was 1970, but I fear that it may
not be completed even by 1973, because it
will be humanly impossible to excavate
35 crorcs c.ft. of earth at the rate of 18 crores
c.ft. per year ; because of the deficiency in
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do more than 12 crores c.ft. per year. There-
fore, canal work may not be completed before
1975, unless Government take it up seriously
and form a separate cell and tackle the whole
problem on an emergency basis.

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L RAO) : I would
like to submit that most of the points that
th? hon. Member has mentioned were all
considered very carefully. I would like to
submit that the statement contains a very
clear indication of the water that will be let
down and the period for which it will be let
down. I am very pietty certain that the
experiment that we are going to do will
leave us veiy valuable lessons Government
have assured the House in the last para of
the statement that the preservation of the
port of Calcutta is the major objective of the
Government of India, and they will do all in
their power to save this port which is a very
valuable one and which is one of the topmost
ports of our countiy I did not follow the
other points that the hon. Member made.
But in regard to ground water, I would like
to submit that we know that the Ganga basin
has got the best undet ground watci in the
whole world, and we arc exploiting it fully.
Already, there aie 15,000 tube-wells and we
shall have to exploit more and more this
ground water. This is one of the alternatives
that we ate thinking For, after all, the whole
trouble is in the lean months when the dis-
charge of water is very little and it is not very
much compared with the water that the river
rarries, which would be 400 million acre-fret ;
so, all this trouble is due to about 2 million
acre-feet. Therefore, we are already thinking
of various alternatives. One of the alternatives
being thought of is the exploitation of ground
water in the Gangetic basin.

Then, the hon. Member has said that it
cannot be completed by 1973 but it will be
completed only by 1975. I do not know on
what basis he has said it. Contractors and
department together are doing about 18 crores
c ft. every year. The balance of work is
about 26 crores c.ft. What actually happened
in the past was this. The statement contains
very clearly the reasons for the delay that has
been there. One reason is that in 1971 we
could not do much because the Ganga had
sustained floods, and, therefore, the working
season was very small and that was why only
half the work could be done. We expect that
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have the full working season and we expect
over 20 crores c.ft. to be cleared in the work-
ing season, and after the working season is
over, another 6 crores c ft. so that the whole
canal will be completed. We hope that unless
something adverse occurs, it will be possible
to complete it. We have gone over this
matter very carefully, namely the question of
trying to complete it, and we hope that it
will be possible to complete it by Decem-
ber, 1973 and we could let down in the
feeder canal early in 1974.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : My other ques-
tions have not been answered. Hon’blc Minis-
ter has not indicated how 10,000 cusecs of
water will be ensured for ten years, because
he has said that it would take ten years to
make the prototype studies and then the
position would be re-exarnmed.

DR. K L. RAO : I have already ex-
plained very clearly in the statement that the
period is not ten years, but seven years In
the first five years we will let down about
40,000 cusecs.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Ten yeais is
for making a study and fresh determination of
the quantum of waki that will be discharged.

DR. K. L. RAO : We thought seven
years would be sufficient. In five yeais, we
will be able to know the effect of it. There
arc both adverse cffei is and also favourable
effects. It is not as if we are 1< tting down
40,000 cusecs in the entire seven year period.
Wc have a lot of training woik to do. Wc
are going to do the experiment in seven vears.
By that time we will have a sufficient indica-
tion as to what should be done.

I have submitted already that the preserva-
tion of the Calcutta poit is a most important
objective of Government. They will ensure
that this will be achieved.

SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch-
Behar) : In the course of his long statement
in reply to the call attention, the hon. Minis-
ter has, I must say at the outset, in paragraph
11 given us to a certain extent temporal y
relief, which will give partial relief to the
people of Bengal, will help in the preserva-
tion of the Calcutta Port and will also help to
to preserve the whole national interest. For
this, thanks arc due to the timely intervention
of our respected leader, the Prime Minister,
and also, the able leadership of the Chief
Minister of West Bengal who in future years
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Bengal. Unfortunately, the hon. Minister has
failed to mention in his statement the discus-
sions he has had with the Chief Minister of
West Bengal along with his Cabinet colleague,
the Minister of Irrigation of West Bengal,
and also with the Prime Minister. The im-
pression has been created that he seems to be so
much sympathetic to the cause of Bengal and
eastern India and also the Calcutta Port. But
in giving out this impression, the hon. Minis-
ter has drafted the statement in such a way
that it is nothing but an attempt to hoodwink
the people. If I were to go into details, it
would take a long time and I would not be in
a position to conclude within the short span
of time available to me.

The hon. Minister has referred to the Man
Singh Committee Report of 1952. He has
also quoted from it. May I ask simultaneously
this question. Even after the 1952 recom-
mendations of thc» Man Singh Committee, was
not the project for the preservation of
Calcutta Port discussed and financial sanction
accorded to it ? Thai being so, is this
reference not a device to hoodwink the whole
country, particularly the people of Bengal and
eastern India?

13. hrs.

Secondly, the hon. Minister has failed in
his duty by presenting a twisted version of
what the Planning Commission has remarked
that even in spite of the full suspension of
withdrawals during the lean period, the pro-
ject is very sound and is accepted as necessary.
To put the matter straight, is it not a fact
that even after this clarification by the Plann-
ing Commission or whatever it is, this Parlia-
ment gave sanction m 1962 for the total
project with the idea that there must be a
discharge to the extent of 40,000 cusecs
throughout the year ? To put it shortly, I
would simply refer to the Estimates Commit-
tee’s report presented in April 1970 where it
is stated in paia 1. 2 :

“The project after completion will
enable the diversion of 40,000 cubic
feet per second of water fiorn the
Ganga to the Bhagirathi. This, with
the normal discharges going down the
Bhagirathi when the level of Ganga is
high, will set right the hydraulic
balance of the bores in the Hooghly
and check the threat posed to the
ports. • . .”

In the action-taken report submitted by the
ministry laid on the Table of the House in

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July 197J, nothing has been challenged, I
mean the observations referred to by the hon.
Members of the Estimates Committee, nothing
has been challenged. Here we find the hon.
Minister has been quoting certain conditions
here and there which give the impression that

20.000 cusecs will be enough or may be so.
In his statement he also said in para 10 of the
statement : a technical committee will go
through the model study and on the basis of
the report only it is to be found out what is
the required quantum of the discharge of
water to rejuvenate and resuscitate the Cal-
cutta port. I also ask my third question.
There have been a number of Committees and
commissions ? and some were invited even
by Dr. K. L. Rao and they said that it
had been decided that nothing less than

40.000 cusecs of water would be required to
rejuvenate and resuscitate Calcutta port, to
make it alive. It was contained in the expert
committee report of Dr. Henscn who put his
signature and seal in May 1957. My fourth
question : will the Minister be good enough
to put down in the Lok Sabha the entire
report of Dr. Henscn which he submitted to
the ministry concerned along with the experts
Dr. Drunkard and Dr. Joglekar, expert on
liver research scheme m Poona and chairman
of the special cell in the Farakka project.
A C Mitter ? If all these things are laid on
the Table, the whole situation would have
been clcaicd

He brought foilh argument to give the
impression that 20,000 cusecs of water would
be enough because certain projects taken up
in the upper reaches of the Ganga ought to
be implemented and the programme, as it has
been, sanctioned. Mention has been made
of Gandak, Kosi and Sarda projects. Will the
hon. Minister clarify whether the Kosi project,
Gandak project that were sanctioned prior to
1960 ? Was it not sanctioned later on? Will the
hon. Minister lay down a white paper giving
all these projects, major and minor, 34 major
and 170 minor ; these have been sanctioned
even against the vehement opposition of the
State Government of West Bengal, whether it is
a fact or not ? Not only this. I have every regard
for the hon. Minister. I have heard ; I would
wish the hon. Minister to clarify this point.
Even when Dr. Hcnsen submitted a report
that nothing less than 40,000 cusecs would
be required for the preservation of the Cal-
cutta port, I am told that Dr. Henscn, a
hydraulic expert, a German expert who was
invited to go through all the model studies,

was asked : could you not bring it down to

20,000 cusecs ? As a result Dr. Hcnsen was
so much agitated, he felt very much insulted
What followed ? Dr. Hensen refused to accept
a lunch arranged in his honour. He replied :
in a country where scientist's views are being
dishonoured in such a way for political mano-
uvres action it is better not to have lunch.
There is an impression. I do not know whe-
ther it is true or not. It is better to clarify.
I know the details which sort of lunch was
arranged. It is true that dredging has been
going on increasing from 75 lakhs a year to 7.5
crores. Ten times. It is true that the sanc-
tioned amount for Farakka Barrage has gone-
up by 180 per cent, as referred to by the Esti-
mates Committee, from Rs. 56 crores to
Rs. 156 crores. As a result, what happened ?
The high tidal bore which was normally before
1947 to the extent of 2 to 3 feet, has got so
strengthened and so voluminous that it rises
up to 6 or 7 feet and it carries with it inflow
of water, but it cannot outflow because the
pressure in Hooghly is not very much. As days
go by, silt formation is going up and up. It
is feared that even after this model test, after
1979 or 1989, the cusecs of Ganga water that
would be required to be discharged would be
much more than 40,000.

In conclusion, I want to know along with
these six questions — they are short questions —
will he make a prohibition order restricting
hence forward that there should be no project
with any pseudonym — people do not even
understand the names of the projects ; there
are such a large number of them, more than
200, big and smill projects— no such schemes
will be approved by the Central Water and
Power Commission unless it has been consi-
dered by this technical committee, under sec-
tion 10 of this report. Will he also consider,
as pointed out by this Commission, the upper
reaches of Ganga river where the ground
waters are available in sufficient quantities,
because of which certain lands are not being
fit for cultivation because of their marshy
nature and will he consider taking these
resources from the ground water ? All these
things will end the matter. He should look
into the fact that Calcutta Port is not for
West Bengal alone but it is in the national
interest. With that end in view, he should
not misguide the whole nation.

DR. K. L. RAO : Most of the points
raised have been covered by the statement I
have made and I request the hon. member
to read the statement more carefully. I do

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not want to enter into any controversy because
I am very happy that we have had a very
useful discussion with the Chief Minister of
West Bengal and Irrigation Minister over the
week-end. We spent a considerable number
of hours over this difficult problem. I am
sorry the hon. member has attributed motives
that I claim originality for this. I do not
add their names because I have not taken
their signatures. It is also not fair to take
their signatures. In fact, he did not authorise
me nor did I ask for it. In the absence of the
signature, I could not refer to it.

The hon. member seems to know more
about the lunch engagement of Dr. Hensen.
It was a private lunch in my house, not a
public lunch. Dr. Hensen not only came to
the lunch but brought a beautiful set of
flowers. This is all due to some cock and bull
story given by some engineers who have been
dismissed.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Prima
facie it seems there arc certain stories about
it.

DR. K. L. RAO : There are always lots
of stories in Calcutta.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I strongly pro-
test against this objectionable remark. The
question js whether the points raised by these
engineers merit attention or not. They are
not in this House to defend themselves and I
strongly protest against this remark that they
have been given by dismissed engineers.

DR. K. L. RAO : I said it because it
was a wrong statement made by the hon.
member. It was a private lunch, not at
Ashoka Hotel or anywhere else ; it was in my
own house. I invited Dr. Hensen because he
was known to me for years. I knew him long
before he came for the Calcutta port. I had
been to Hanover many years before. When
he came here, I naturally invited him for a
lunch. He came, as I said, with a lot of beau-
tiful flowers. In Fact I even said “Why do
you bring so many flowers'*.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Is it
a fact that Dr. Hensen did not take even a
cup of water ? . . . . ( interruptions )

DR. K. L. RAO : The hon. Member
seems to have been at that time .... (interrup-
tions). It is very unfortunate these things
should have been brought out.

But the most important thing is this.

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Neither Dr. Hensen, nor Dronker was invited
for the second time by us. Dr. Hensen came
at the invitation of the Port Commissioners,
as also Dr. Dronker was not called for this
project. He was asked for the outer harbour,
for the Haldia project. The Port Commis-
sioners seem to have asked him this question.
They have given some information that we
have got. We have got two pages, not signed
pages, wherein they say that his opinion was
asked for and “we agree with that”. Dr.
Hensen’s first report very categorically states
of 20,000 cusecs .... ( interruptions )

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is not correct

MR. SPEAKER : He is speaking with
out my permission. If he continues like that,
nothing will go on record. I do not know
how to deal with this gentlemen. He must
maintain certain discipline. He cannot get

up any time he wants

DR. K. L. RAO : I want to avoid any
controversy. I do not want to say anything
further except to say on the irrigation projects
in the upper basin area that the area that is
irrigated in the Ganga Basin consisting of
several States is hardly 24 per cent in spite of
the fact they have got the best water resour-
ces. That is why wc said the up-stream
irrigation projects will be safeguarded. That
is what the statement says

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Is it
a fact that there are 31 major irrigation. . . .

MR. SPEAKER : AH of you are beating
each other in one thing, in making these
interruptions. Already we are very late and
behind the schedule.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : The
West Bengal Government protested because
these projects will hamper the progress of the
Farakka barrage project and the improvement
of the Calcutta port. Is it a fact that 34
major and 170 minor irrigation projects were
sanctioned even in the teeth of the opposition
of the West Bengal Government without
consulting the Ganga Brahmaputra Flood
Control Commission ?

MR. SPEAKER : I think he has made
it very clear.

DR. K. L. RAO : The irrigation poten-
tial so far developed in the up-stream area is
very little. But the sanction of a large number
of projects there does not even in the least

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[Dr. K. L. Rao]

effect Farakka. I have made this very clear
in the statement.

If the Ramganga project is taken up, it
does not contribute at all in any way for the
two lean months. The only concerned rivers
are Gagra, Gandak and Kosi. Everything is
contained in that statement.

DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : On the 31st
of March this year Dr. Rao placed a state-
ment on the Table of both Houses, the con-
tents of which we find on page 3 of the state-
ment. Here he has stated in short that it
is neither desirable, nor possible, to give more
than 20,000 cusecs of water foi the river
Bhagirathi. Today he makes the statement
we saw also in the newspapers his agreement
with Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray — that
40,000 cusecs will be available throughout the
year for the river Bhagirathi. I do not know
whether he is a magician or not. When he
made the statement that 20,000 cusecs will be
needed and will be supplied, and not more
than that, he knew the opinions of Dr. Hensen
Dr. Dronkhurst, Dr. Joglekar of Khadakvasla
Institute and Shri A. G. Mitra of Uttar
Pradesh. Still he made that statement. By
making that statement, one purpose was
served. I do not know whether he deliberately
did it or not. Bengal was pitted against
Bihar ; U. P. was pitted against Bengal.
There was no trouble between Bengal and
Bihar, no trouble between Bengal and U. P.
We are peaceful citizens living as good
neighbours. Only when he made that state-
ment, all these questions cropped up in Bengal,
Bihar and U. P. He is responsible for that.
He made a very serious statement.

Not only that. Even before that, on the
26th June, he made a statement in the
Calcutta Raj Bhavan he found no other place
to make a statement — which will be offending
to the feelings of the people of Calcutta. It is
the same statement that not more than 20,000
cusecs of water will be available.

Now, in this statement, he says it will be
available for seven years. Before stating that
in the statement, he also dug up, as pointed
out by many hon. Members, the Man Singh
Committee Report of 1952. After all these
things, a very well-known Engineer, well-known
to Dr. Rao, Mr. Devesh Mukerjee, made a
statement in the press that nowhere, when he
was the General Manager of the Farakka
Barrage, there was any mention of any diffe-
rence of opinion. He is the person who was exto-

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lied by Dr. Rao himself as one of the foremost
river Engineers that India has produced. He
said that nobody knew about this thing, there
was no serious difference of opinion. Today,
in this statement, the hon. Minister mentions
about the Man Singh Committee Report.

I do not know who was Mr. Man Singh. I
do not want to make a long statement.

I simply say that this whole thing, his
statement, is shrouded in mystery. In May
and June, he made a statement that no more
than 20,000 cusecs of water will be available.
Now, in the middle of August, he makes a
statement that it is available for seven years
and then certain studies will be made.

I want to know which statement is correct,
today’s statement or the statement that he
made in this House on the 3 1st May this year.
Therefore, as I said, the whole thing is
shrouded in mystery. I am afraid, this will
lead Bengalis-Biharis fighting for water as has
been the case with Narmada water and
Cauvcry water. I want to know specifically
categorically from the hon. Minister whether
the formula that he had given earlier in this
House which is embodied in the statement on
p. 3, has been given up at least for the
coming seven years.

Secondly, I want to know the reason why
the construction of this feeder canal has been
delayed. In January, 1968, Dr. Rao will
recollect that there was a Consultative Com-
mittee meeting where he invited many of us.

I was also there. The feeder canal was being
dug in those days. Now he speaks of the
labour trouble. The labour trouble was much
more in Farakka Barrage than in the case of
the feeder canal. Why was it not completed
by 1971 ? According to him, it is to be
completed by 1973. Where is the guarantee ?
This delay in the construction of feeder
canal, according to the Farakka Barrage
authorities, is causing a loss of Rs. 6 crores
every year as interest charges. Who is going
to pay ? It is the public Exchequer. Why
should the public pay ? So, I want a
guarantee from him. It is not simply saying,
( T do not find any reason why it should not
be completed.’* Can he give us a guarantee
in this House today that by the end of 1973,
the feeder canal will be constructed and that,
if for that purpose any other agency is to
be set up or brought in, that will be done ?

Thirdly, I want to know about this investiga-
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Mr. Samar Guha raised to which Dr. Rao
has not answered. By whom was the investiga-
tion done and how the investigation will be
done after seven years or after five years ?
All this is in the statement. How will the
other elements who are interested in the
development of the Calcutta Port be taken
into confidence ? What will be the machinery
to do that ? These are the three questions.

DR. K. L. RAO : I did not want to
make any statement in the last session.
What happened was that the hon. Speaker
told me that the hon. members from West
Bengal insisted that I should make a state-
ment. That is why I had to make a
statement.

Farakka project is a sanctioned project
approved in I960 by the Ministry of Shipping
and Transport to which this project belongs.
This project does not belong to the Ministry
of Irrigation and Power ; that has nothing to
do with it, neither with the power aspect nor
with the irrigation aspect. This is the project
of the Ministry of Transport and Shipping.
They asked us to do the works. The figure
that I have given has been quoted from page
56 of the sanctioned project report. The hon.
Member may see that. I have no authority to
change it. What I gave was exactly the
amount laid down for different months in the
sanctioned project.

A lot of emotion was created. The Chief
Minister of West Bengal wanted to discuss this.
Wc had a lot of discusssions. We find that,
in the next five years, it will be possible for
us to allow 40,000 cusecs of water. Every-
thing has been covered in the statement. We
want to setth* this controversy by field
experiments. The controversy about 40,000
cusecs of water being required relates to
those two lean months ; it is not a question
of ten months. Some feel that 20,000 cusecs
of water will do for those two months. We
have yet to take observation. We have got to
make observations on the prototype and not
on the models. That is why we have said
that it is a very useful and scientific investiga-
tion. The hon. Member asked who will do
the investigation. That has also been given
in the statement. The investigation will be
done by the Ministry of Shipping and Trans-
port who is responsible for that. They will
have a study team. The study team will
consist of the Port Commissioners of Calcutta
Central Water and Power Research Station,
Khadakvasla, West Bengal Government, and

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any others that the Ministry of Transport and
Shipping may consider necessary. That is
why they have said, ‘etc.*. The investigation
will be done by them.

The other question was about the delay.
I am surprised the hon. Member is asking
this question. It is one of the most difficult
projects in the world. The canal’s width is
far greater than the width of the Suez Canal ;
its width is 490 ft. as against the width of the
Suez Canal of 200 ft. It has got so many
engineering difficulties. Moreover, this project
was started in 1965. The canal was construc-
ted quite remarkably. We are going to do it
in eight years. The hon. members may
recall that the Rajasthan Canal has been
going on for the last 15 years and yet, we
are no where near completion. This project
involves a large amount of work. ( Interruption )
The reasons for the delay have been given.
In 197 i there were heavy floods. The whole
area was flooded. 'She working season was
little. One of the most important reasons is
labour unrest in 1969. The hon. Member
referred to Mr. Debesh Mukherjee who was
my friend though he differs from me now.
The General Manager told me— he complained
very bitterly about this unrest — , ‘Dr. Rao, my
driver drives the car at a speed of five kilometres
per hour ; I want to get down and walk, but
he does not allow me to walk ; what is this
trouble. He was the General Manager in
1969. I did not want to quote all these
things. The hon. members must know that
I have the privilege of being associated with
this project for long ; perhaps nobody else,
no other engineer, has been so long associated
with this as I have been. I have been associa-
ted right from the beginning, right from the
first step- when it was investigated and what
has to be done and so on, as early as 1955.
It will be one of my privileges to see that this
project functions and objectively works in the
way we wanted.it. No engineer in this world
would say that once the project is designed
and constructed, he will not see the fruits
thereof. Therefore, the hon. Members are
unnecessarily attributing motives.

The situation i9 difficult. There are three
possibilities. It is all given in the report.
Also I want to tell the hon. Members that the
interests of the country do not lie in putting
one State against the other or one project
against the other. We are not interested in
one particular project. We want to develop
the whole country. I want to submit very
dearly that we want to take irrigation potential

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of this region from 24% as early as possible,
in the next ten yean. After all, the problem is
not hopeless. It is of an intricate nature, we
will be able to find a solution. We will be
able to achieve all the three objectives that
have been mentioned in the last page of this
statement.

SHRI B. K. D ASGHOWDH URY : I want
to make one thing clear.

Nobody desires that there should not
be any development projections. All the
development projections should be there.

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16, 1972 Govt, to complete Farakka 340
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DR. K. L. RAO : With regard to Bangla
Desh, it has been made clear in the statement
that the legitimate interests of Bangla Desh
will be taken into account and I am pretty
certain that the great neighbouring country
of Bangla Desh and ourselves will be able to
sort out the various problems connected with
this.

With regard to the other question, about
delay, I have already made it clear.
I am not expecting any more delay
in this project. There may be delays in the
completion, by one or two months, but that
is nothing. In a big and magnificent project
like this, the like of which has not been done
anywhere else in the world, nature plays a
large part. Nature could have easily obstruc-
ted us more but we are prepared for many
more difficulties. We saved Rs. 10 crorefl
because of nature’s gift. We have been able
to do the work in about 8 years. This took
us from 1963 to 1971, that is, 8 years. We
have done this magnificent work, The canal
was a bit late when we started because we
were engaged in the difficult job of the bar-
rage and so the work of the canal was started
late in 1965. We are hoping to complete it
by 1973. I don’t want to say anything else,
so that hon. Members may not get angry
with me later on. I wish the same speed and
the same quickness is given in respect of
the other projects in the States themselves.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I will be the
first to congratulate you, if you can complete
it by 1973,

341 Failure of SRAVANA 25,

DR. K. L. RAO : I can assure the hon.
Member this. If there is no labour problem,
it will be completed by 1 973.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Lakhs of
workers of U. P. and Bihar are there. .

MR. SPEAKER : You have one leg in
Bengal and another leg in U.P.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am proud
of U. P. They have elected a Bengalee. They
are not parochial. I know that lakhs of
people from U. P. and Bihar have gone to
Bengal in search of jobs. We want that all
the industries in Bengal, especially Calcutta
port, must be restored to their normal con-
dition. Every lady used to sing ;

^r, i It was sung by

every girl. Because, people used to go to Bengal
Desh.

In his statement the hon. Minister has
assured the people of U. P. and Bihar that
there will be no shortage of water in U. P.
and Bihar for the kharif season. We are told
that the sub-soil water can be tapped for
irrigation in the Gangctic valley. Previously,
Dr. Rao used to say that attempts will be made
to have Ganga- Brahmaputra project. Now he
says attempts will be made for Ganga-Gauvery
project. I don’t know why this diversion has
come about. He is an engineer, I am not.

In case the Ganga-Brahmaputra canal has
come about, it would have benefited practi-
cally most of these States, especially those States
which were suffeiing because of the power
shortage and water shortage. About Gandak
project it has been stated that this will bene-
fit Bihar, Nepal, U.P. etc. This is under
construction since 1958. In view of the con-
troversy over Gangetic water from Farrakka,

I wish to submit that all these controversies
must stop. 40,000 cusecs of water to be sup-
plied to Farrakka, for revival of the Calcutta
port is in our interest and for the people of
U.P. and no further dispute should arise.
But, Dr. Rao’s statement has created some
controversies, some imaginary and some real,
among the people of UP., Bihar and Bengal.
Mr. Daschowdhury congratulated Chief
Minister of Bengal and said, he will be known
as Bhagirath. Sir, no further dispute should
arise between the three States. They must
live like neighbours. I wish to ask him one
important question : Will the hon. Minister
agree to set up a Control Board ? I know,
this was envisaged previously. May I know
whether a control board will be set up con-
sisting of the representatives of Bengal, U. P.

1894 (SAKA) Gaol, to complete Farakka 342
Barrage (C. A.)

and Bihar so that all disputes might be sett-
led by mutual consultations then and there
and the people of Bengal would not have to
issue a statement against U. F» We could
include all the three chief Ministers in the
control board ? And also Members of Par-
liament and experts from all the three States
to resolve any dispute which may arise in
future. I would like to know whether such a
central board or control board is likely to be
established.

I would also like to know why the Ganga-
Brahmaputra canal has been given up in
favour of the Ganga-Cauvery link. What is
good in the Cauvery which is not there in
the Brahmaputra ? I have seen all the rivers,
but I do not know their virtues and vices. So,
I would like to know from the hon. Minister
why the Ganga-Brahmaputra canal has been
given up.

DR. K. L. RA0 : The Ganga-Brahma-
putra canal is very much in our mind.
Actually, it is one of the projects which we
think is all very vital, but so far we have not
comeout with execution, because we have to
clear the problems of the Bangla Desh region
through which the canal passes.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; Now, that is
possible.

DR. K. L RAO : For obvious reasons
wc cannot make any statement about it like
that. I am sure hon. Members will find that
in all our statements, wc have only used the
phrase diversions from the neighbouring basins.
The Ganga basin has got to be and may be
assisted in some respects by division from
neighbouring basins. That is the statement
that hon. Members will find all along. The
neighbouring basin is the Brahmaputra basin.

I would submit once again that the Ganga-
Cauvery will be greatly assisted and would
become greatly' valuable by the diversion
from the Brahmaputra. In fact, it is in the
interests of the Ganga-Gauvery link that the
Brahmaputra link must come. I do not want
to expatiate on it and go too much into this
subject, because I do not want to go into
further details at this stage, since we have
not yet cleared it with the great country,
Bangla Desh, many other details and so on; we
have not even discussed it. So, I would leave
it at that.

I want to assure the hon. Member that
we want to connect not only these two
rivers, but our object is, and in fact, that

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[Dr. K. L. Rao]

is the modern technique throughout the whole
world, and in fact, the best technique for
India or the next decade or the next century
will be to link up the waters so that the rivers
with surplus water could be linked up with
rivers with less water which supply deficit
areas and thus there could be exchange of
water from one river to the other. This is the
main thing. The Brahmaputra is one river
whose waters are not used at all. Practically
no water from that river is used. So, it will
be a great source of water for us. It will be,
therefore, our endeavour to use its waters.
Almost all the modern techniques will be used
and will be pressed into service to see that
we arc able to use the waters of the Brahma-
putra to the maximum extent for the service
of India.

The hon. Member had suggested the set-
ting up of a control board Thcic are already
the zonal councils at whfLh these are discus-
sed. Any way, the hon. Member’s suggestion
is a veiy good suggestion, since West Bengal
belongs to one zonal council and U.P.
belongs to another. So, we can create a body
where the whole Ganga basin could be re-
presented. We shall consider this suggestion.

13.39 hrs.

RE. PRESENTATION OF TAMRA-PAT-
RAS TO FREEDOM-FIGHTERS

MR. SPEAKER ; Now we shall take up
the next item of business.

SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NA1R
(Quilon) : I seek your permission to raise an
important matter, and I have already written
to you also seeking your permission to raise
the question about the Tainra-patras which
have been presented to the freedom-fighters.
Tanira-patias have been presented to those
people who have never seen the inside of
a prison. I want to raise this question, beca-
use as you would agree, it is a question of
national importance. It is an insult to the
freedom-fighters on the one side that these
Tamra- patras should have been given to per-
sons who have never been inside a prison,
and secondly it is an insult to the other regi-
onal languages which have been listed in the
Constitution, to have the inscription only
in Hindi and then give it.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN (Madras
North) : Please permit me to say a few

words on this matter ? I shall conclude with-
in a minute, after saying something regarding
the issue raised by my hon. friend Shri N.
Sreekantan Nair.

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN: On behalf
of my Party, we offer our felicitations to the
freedom fighters. That is one thing. The
second is that they have come from all over
the country, from all the States. But the
tamra patra given to them is inscribed only in
Hindi, which is against the Constitution. The
Constitution has recognised two languages as
official languages, one Hindi and the other
English. Unfortunately, the freedom fighters
from Tamil Nadu, fiom Orissa and from
Bengal cannot read anything inscribed on it. I
think this is an indirect way of encroaching
upon the domain of the non-Hindi-speaking
areas. The freedom fighters from these areas
arc insulted . . ( Interruptions ), absolutely insulted.

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. There
should be no conti oversy over this. I had no
intimation from him about this.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : I sa>, this is
a calculated and cunning move to infiltrate
into the non-Hindi-speaking domain, I warn
the Hindi-speaking people that if they
systematically adopt this attitude, history will
later call them as people who are disintegrat-
ing this gieat country. This matter should not
be taken very lightly. You in your wisdom
have already given directions to the House so
many times that both Hindi and English
should be used.

MR. SPEAKER : I should have had
some intimation that he wanted to raise this
matter.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : I would
request you at least to convey our feelings
that if this is allowed to continue in future, I
do not know what will happen. This is my
warning.

13.42 hrs.

RE. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

MR. SPEAKER : The call attention
motion has already taken one hour. I am
very sorry that the Ministers who have to lay
papers on the Table, a formal business, have
to keep sitting for such a long time.

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Papers Laid

346

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul) : Arc
we any less close to your heart, Sir ?

AN HON. MEMBER : We are also
members and are sitting.

MR. SPEAKER : I am thinking of just
altering the order of the agenda so that the
business of laying Papers on the Table should
be over before the calling attention motion is
taken up, so that Ministers may be free to be
in the Rajya Sabha on business. Today there
is also a statement to be made by a Minister.
They have to go to the other House and
then come running here when we have not
finished the call attention. This leads to
suspense. So the items Papers to be laid on
the Table and also Statements by Ministers,
will come earlier so that they can go to the
other House or do something else. Then we
will take up the call attention motion.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEK (Kanpur) :
This should be referred to the Rules Com-
mittee.

MR. SPEAKER : You can discuss it.

SHRI S. M BANERJEE: Supposing
there is a controversial item, wc would like to
ask for some clarifications.

MR. SPEAKER : For that, of course, we
will give time. Only non-conti oversial items
will be freed. The point is that the Ministers
keep waiting and waiting and wc cut into the
lunch hour also. I hope the House will agree
with me that what 1 have suggested is the
correct thing to do.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Let it be
referred to the Rules Committee.

MR. SPEAKER : There is no use. . . .

SHRI S. M, BANERJEE: There are
many complications. Today is an extra-
ordinary day.

MR. SPEAKER : The Rajya Sabha has
the same procedure.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You are
hungry, I am hungry, everyone is hungry.

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a question of
being hungry. The call attention motion takes
a long time and all the time the Ministers
keep waiting. Just to save time, I have pro-
posed that the business of laying Papers on
the Table and Statements by Ministers may
come earlier— they can be disposed of in a

few minutes — and then we can take up at
leisure the call attention motion. There is
nothing very wrong about it.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; It is a ques-
tion of giving precedence.

MR. SPEAKER s The Rajya Sabha is
the same.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What will
happen to this ; first, there will be adjourn-
ment motion, then no-confidence motion,
then call attention motion or even obituary
reference.

MR. SPEAKER : We have to bring
about certain improvements.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am only
protecting your interest. Otherwise, they
will trouble you a lot.

MR. SPEAKER : I am seeking everyone’s
goodwill and protection at evety time. I
actually do not know what bombshell may
drop at what tune.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly refer
it to the Rules Committee.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : If you do
this, it will become very monotonous.

AN HON. MEMBER : When he is there.
Will it be monotonous ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I accept
the compliment.

13.45 hrs.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Reviews and Annual Reports of Hindustan
Housing Factory, Ltd. and N.B.C.C., Ltd.,
New Delhi

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK-
SHIT) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy each
of the following papers (Hindi and English
versions) under sub-section (1) of section 619A
of the Companies Act, 1956 : —

(1) (i) Review by the Government on
the working of the Hindustan
Housing Factory Limited, New
Delhi, for the year 1970-71.

(ii) Annual Report of the Hindustan
Housing Factory Limited, New

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[Shri Uma Shankar Dikshit]

Delhi, for the year 1970-71 along
with the Audited Accounts and
the comments of the Comptroller
and Auditor General thereon.
[Placed in Ltbraay See No. LT —
3361/72]

(2) (i) Review by the Government on
the working of the National
Buildings Construction Corpo-
ration Limited, New Delhi, for
the year 1970-71.

(li) Annual Report of the National
Buildings Construction Corpo-
ration Limited, New Delhi, for
the year 1970-71 along with the
Audited Accounts and the comm-
ents of the Comptroller and
Auditor General thereon.

[Placed in Library. See No. LT— 3362/72].

Notifications under High Court Judges

Conditions of Service Act, 1954

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : I beg to
lay on the Table a copy each of the following
Notifications (Hindi and English versions)
under sub-section (3) of section 24 of the
High Court Judges (Conditions of Service)
Act, 1954 : —

(1) The High Court Judges (Amendment)
Rules, 1972. published in Notification
No. G. S. R. 336 (E) in Gazette of
India dated 12th July, 1972.

(2) The High Court Judges Travelling
Allowance (Amendment) Rules, 1972,
published m Notification No. G. S. R.
841 in Gazette of India dated the
22nd July, 1972.

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3363/72].

Punjab Motor Vehicles (Chandigarh
Amendment) Rules, 1971 etc.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : I beg to
lay on the Table —

(1) A copy of the Punjab Motor Vehicles
(Chandigarh Amendment) Rules, 1971
(Hindi and English versions) publi-
shed in Notification No. 11935 — HII
(2)/7 1/29 169 in Chandigarh Adminis-
tration Gazette dated the 1st January

1972, under sub-section (3) of section
133 of the Motor Vehicles Act, 1939.

(2) A statement (Hindi and English
vcisions) showing reasons for delay
in laying the above Notification.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3364/72].

Annual Report of the Indian Standards
Institution, New Delhi

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA-
MANIAM) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy
of the Annual Reports (Hindi and English
versions) of the Indian Standards Institution,
New Delhi, for the year 1970-71. [Placed in
Library. See No. LT-3365/72].

Sixth Amendment to I.A.S. (Pay) Rules

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : I beg
to re-lay on the Table a copy of the Sixth
Amendment of 1972 to the Indian Adminis-
trative Service (Pay) Rules, 1954 (Hindi and
English versions) published in Notification
No. G S R. 281 (E) in Gazette of India
dated the 20th May, 1972, under sub-section

(2) of section 3 of the All India Services,
Act, 1951. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-
3124/72].

Food Corporation (Second Amendment)
Rules, 1972

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : I beg to lay
on the Tabic a copy of the Food Corporation
(Second Amendment) Rules, 1972 (Hindi and
English versions) published in Notification
No. G. S. R. 343 (E) in Gazette of India
dated the 18th July, 1972, under sub-section

(3) of section 44 of the Food Corporation
Act, 1964. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-
3366/72].

Notification under Companies Act, 'Tariff
Commissions Report (1971) re-Vanaspati
Industry and Govt.'s Resolution Tiiereon
etc.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : I beg to lay on the
Table—

(1) A copy each of the following Noti-

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350

349 Papers Laid

fications (Hindi and English versions)
under subjection (6) or section 3 of
the Essential Commodities Act, 1955; —

(i) The Sugar (Price Determination)
Order, 1972, published in Noti-
fication No. G. S. R. 309 (E) in
Gazette of India dated the 15th
June, 1972.

(ii) The Levy Sugar Supply (Control)
Order, 1972, published in Noti-
fication No. G. S. R. 310 (E) in
Gazette of India dated the 15th
June, 1972.

(iii) The Levy Sugar Supply (Control)
Amendment Order, 1972, publi-
shed in Notification No. G. S. R.
3 18 (E) in Gazette of India dated
the 20th June, 1972.

(iv) The Sugar (Price Determination)
Amendment Order, 1972, publi-
shed in Notification No. G. S. R.
344 (E) in Gazette of India dated
the 19th July, 1972.

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3367/72].

(2) A copy each of the following papers
under sub-section (2) of section 16 of
the Tariff Commission Act, 1951 ; —

(i) (a) Report (1971) of the Tariff
Commission on the cost structure
of and fair price payable to the
Vanaspati Industry. [Placed in
Library . See No. LT-3368/72.]

(b) Government Resolution No.
6 — VP (15J/72 dated the 27th
July, 1972 notifying Government's
decisions on the above Report
(Hindi and English versions.)
[Placed in Library . See No. LT-
3369/72.]

(ii) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons as to
why the documents mentioned
above could not be laid on the
Table within the period prescribed
in sub-section (2) of section 16
of the said Act. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT— 3369/72.]

Review and Annual Report op Handi-
crafts AND HANDLOOMS EXPORTS CORPORATION
op India Ltd., and Certified Accounts of
Export Inspection Council and Export
Inspection Aoencies and Cardamom Board
for 1970-71

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI L. N. MISHRA) s I beg to lay on

the Table —

(1) A copy of the following papers (Hindi
and English versions) under sub-
section (I) of section 619A of the
Companies Act, 1956 —

(i) Re riew by the Government on the
working of the Handicrafts and
Handlooms Exports Corporation of
India Limited, New Delhi, for the
year 1970-71.

(ii) Annual Report of the Handi-
crafts and Handlooms Exports
Corporation of India Limited,
New Delhi, for the year 1970-71
along with the Audited Accounts
and the comments of the Comptro-
ller and Auditor General thereon.

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3370/72]

(2) A copy* of the Certified Accounts
(Hindi and English versions) of the
Export Inspection Council and Ex-
port Inspection Agencies for the year
1970-71 together with the Audit
Report thereon, under sub -rule (3)
of Rule 16 of the Export (Quality
Control and Inspection) Rules, 1964.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT — 3371/
72.]

(3) A copy of the Certified Accounts
(Hindi and English versions) of the
Cardamom Board, Ernakulam, for
the year 1970-71 and the Audit
Report thereon, under sub-section (4)
of section 19 of the Cardamom Act,
1965. [Placed in Library . See No. LT—
3372/72.]

Annual Report (Part II) of Registrar of
Newspapers

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : I beg to lay on the Table —

( 1 ) A copy of the Annual Report (Part
II) of the Registrar of Newspapers
for India on Press in India, 1970.

(2) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) explaining the reasons for
not laying the Hindi version of
the above Report simultaneously.

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3373/72.]

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AUGUST 16 , 1972 /. A. Aircraft mar Palam (St.) 352

MR. SPEAKER : With your permission,
the order will be changed so that they will
be freed earlier because after that we can
place all these things together, call attention,
377 and all that.

SHRI SEZHIYAN : Gall attention is on
an urgent and important matter and this
matter should be studied by the Rules
Committee.

MR. SPEAKER : The formal business
should be finished ; there should be no
controversy about it. I hope you will all
kindly agree to it.

13.47 hrs.

STATEMENT CORRECTING ANSWER
TO S. Q. NO. 14 RE BEHAVIOUR OF
DOCTORS IN DELHI HOSPITALS TO-
WARDS VICTIMS OF A CAR ACCIDENT

THE MINISTER OF ' WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : I beg to lay a statement
correcting the answer given on the 31st July,
1972 to Starred Question No. 14 by Shri D.
K. Panda regarding the behaviour of Doctors
in Delhi hospitals with victims of car accident.

Statement

In the statement referred to in reply to
Starred Question No. 14 on 31st July, 1972
by Shri D. K. Panda, it was stated that of
the 10 patients 2 subsequently died, 6 were
discharged and 2 were still under treatment
at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences
Hospital. The number of persons who died
and who were discharged was given incorr-
ectly and I wish to correct the same. The
correct position is that out of 10 patients 4
died subsequendy, 4 were discharged, 1 left
against medical advice and 1 patient is still
under treatment at the Hospital.

I regret the inconvenience caused to the
House.

13.48 hrs.

STATEMENT RE CRASH OF AN INDIAN
AIRLINES FOKKER FRIENDSHIP AIR-
CRAFT NEAR PALAM AIRPORT ON

11 . 8 . 1972 .

MR. SPEAKER : Dr. Karan Singh.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :

Why not a call attention motion on this
matter ? We have demanded a judicial
enquiry. I tell you that people from Calcutta,
Members from Calcutta, Madras all travel in
Caravelle or jets ; we have to travel in Fokker
Friendship ; it is people like us who die. . •

( Interruptions .)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : This type of statement takes us
nowhere because the Minister says things
which we do not accept. We say that this
accident took place due to lack of precision
approach radar. They have not installed it
in India. Please allow us either 193 discussion
or call attention ; let us not hear sou motu
statements from the Ministers.

MR. SPEAKER : Let him make the
statement.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
It is with shock that the Hon’ble Members
will have learnt of the tragic crash of Indian
Airlines Fokker VT-DME on the night of the
11th. The aircraft was on a scheduled flight
from Bombay to Delhi via Indore, Bhopal and
Gwalior and took off from Gwalior at 9.10
p. m. The aircraft had 14 passengers and 4
crew members on board. After leaving Gwa-
lior it was in normal contact with the Delhi
air traffic control. The weather situation over
Delhi was communicated to the aircraft in
flight. It approached the runway in order to
effect an instrument landing but was unable
to land on its first attempt and earned out a
missed approach. It then made a circuit for
a second approach to land and reported to
the Control tower that its position was then
over the outer marker. The pilot was direc-
ted by the Control tower to report “visual”.
There was, however, no response from the
plane and in spite of repeated calls to it con-
tact could not be re-established.

At 10.44 p.m., two minutes after the last
contact had been made with the aircraft,
rescue and fire fighting services were alerted.
At 10.53 p.m. an Indian Airlines Caravelle
which was then coming in to Delhi was also
directed to look out for the missing aircraft.
Two minutes later a report was received from
the Caravelle that a fire had been observed
towards its left side, short of the middle mar-
ker. The rescue and fire fighting services were
immediately directed to proceed along the
final approach area and to make a thorough
search between the outer and the middle
marker. A crash fire tender, a rescuer tender

353 /. /. andS . C. (r«Jfcw* SRAVANA 25,

owr of Management ) 2?i7/

and an ambulance promptly started the search*
Due to the difficult terrain, adverse weather
conditions and darkness, the vehicles were
unable to reach the scene of the accident,
but foot parties from the vehicles including
some police personnel reached the site of the
wreckage at 12.30 a.m. near village Maksudpur
about 3 miles East of the runway. They found
that the aircraft had completely disintegrated
on impact with the ground and its wreckage
was strewn over an area of approximately
half a mile. There were no survivors and the
bodies of the passengers and crew had been
torn apart. There was no fire at the time.
Separately, Indian Airlines had also sent out
search parties along with a doctor and an
ambulance.

The commander of the ill-fated plane was
Gapt. J. M. Thapar who had a total flying
experience of about 8,000 hours, 3,000 of them
on F-27 planes including over 1000 in com-
mand. A Court of Inquiry presided over by
Shri Justice Rajinder Sachar of the Delhi
High Court is being constituted to enquire
into the causes and circumstances of this
tragic accident.

The House will share my profound sense
of shock and join me in expressing sympathy
with the families of those killed It is a matter
of deep sorrow that one of the passengers of
this plane was a colleague of ours, Shrimati
Minimata Agamdas Guru.

SHRI R. V. SW AMI NATHAN (Madurai) :
Mr. Speaker, will you permit some questions
on this statement or allow a discussion ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, you
should either allow a calling attention or a
discussion under rule 193 because there were
serious lapses on the part of the airport autho-
rities.

MR. SPEAKER : A judicial enquiry has
already been ordered. Let me think over it.

13.50 hr s.

INDIAN IRON AND STEEL COMPANY
(TAKING OVER OF MANAGEMENT)
BILL*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : Sir, on behalf of
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam, l beg to move
for' leave to introduce a Bill to provide for

* Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary

1894 {SAKA) /. /. and S. C. {Taking 354
over of Management) Ord .

the taking over of the management of the
undertaking of the Indian Iron and Steel
Company Limited for a limited period in the
public interest and in order to secure the
proper management of the undertaking.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : Why
for a limited period ? Why not permanently?

MR. SPEAKER : He will explain that
when the Bill is taken up for consideration.
The question is :

“That leave be granted to introduce a
Bill to provide for the taking over of the
management of the undertaking of the
Indian Iron and Steel Company Limited
for a limited period in the public interest
and in order to secure the proper manage-
ment of the undertaking.**

The motion was adopted .

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN I intro-
duce the Bill.

13.52 hrs.

STATEMENT RE. INDIAN IRON AND
STEEL COMPANY (TAKING OVER OF
MANAGEMENT) ORDINANCE, 1972

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : Sir, on behalf of
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam, I beg to lay
on the Table an explanatory statement (Hindi
and English versions) giving reasons for
immediate legislation by the Indian Iron and
Steel Company (Taking over of Management)
Ordinance, 1972, under rule 71 (1) of the
Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business
in Lok Sabha.

MR. SPEAKER : It is nearing 2 O’clock.
Lunch hour has been taken up by the other
business. If you like, we can continue,

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : We
do not want you to be hungry because hunger
and anger go together.

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t think about me ;
think about you.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Why should you think we are so
heartless ?

MR. SPEAKER: All right. We will
adjourn for lunch and meet at 3 O'clock.

Part II, section 2, dated 16,8,72

355

Disturbed

AUGUST 16, 1972

Areas (, Spl . Courts) Bill

356

13.54 hrs.

The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch till Fifteen of
the Clock .

The Lok Sabha re-assembled at two minutes past
Fifteen of the Clock .

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ]

•

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) s Sir, before you take up the regular
business, 1 wish to raise two points. Last
week, on the 10th of August, I handed over
to you a true copy of the interim report of
the Wanchoo Committee, duly authenticated
by me.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The matter
is being considered. It is under consideration.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Seven days
have passed. Government have more or less
accepted certain recommendations, like the
one on imposing a ceiling on cash holdings.
Why is the government not coming forward
with the copy of the report ? It should be
made available to Members.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is true it
has taken some time. But it is still under con-
sideration. I hope the decision would be taken
soon.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then, I
had given notice of a privilege motion against
Shri Siddheswar Prasad for misleading the
House in reply to a question on Asian Cable
Corporation Limited. Shri K. P. Goenka . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He has to
give prior notice.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have
given notice to office.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then it is
under consideration.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Ministers
are trying to protect big business. . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What he says
will not go on record.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : * * *

15.05 hrs.

DISTURBED AREAS (SPECIAL COURTS)
BILL— Contd*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We resume

discussion on the Disturbed Areas (Special
Courts) Bill. In the discussion on the last
occasion, the House at one stage agreed to
refer the Bill to the Joint Committee and then,
subsequently, rescinded that decision. Before
we proceed with the Bill I would like to know
what the Minister has got to say about it.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : We had
agreed that this Bill should be referred to a
Joint Committee. The original intention of
the Government was to proceed with the Bill.
But in view of the various opinions that were
expressed by the hon. Members and possible
difficulties that might arise in the Bill, in
deference to the wishes of the hon. Members,
Government agreed that the Bill may be
referred to a Joint Select Committee. Then,
about the composition of the Committee there
were some difficulties. I have given notice of
a substitute motion. If you allow it, I will
move it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
two Motions to refer the Bill to the Joint
Committee, one by Shri R. D. Bhandare and
the other by Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha. If
Mr. Bhandare wants to press for his Motion,
then I will have to put that first to the House.
That is not pressed. Then, let the Minister
move his Motion.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I beg
to move :

“That the Bill to provide for the speedy
trial of certain offences in certain areas
and for matters connected therewith, be
referred to a Joint Committee of the Houses
consisting of 45 members, 30 from this
House, namely : —

Shri R. D. Bhandare, Shri M. C. Daga,
Shri Madhu Dandavate, Shri Tulsidas Dasappa,
Shri Biren Dutta, Shri C. D. Gautam, Shri
Dinesh Chander Goswami, Shrimati Subhadra
Joshi, Dr. Kailas, Shri Purushottam Kakodkar,
Shri Sat Pal Kapur, Shri L. D. Kotoki,
Shrimati T. Lakshmikanthamma, Shri Mukhtiar
Singh Malik, Shri Prasannbhai Mehta,
Shri G. S. Mishra, Shri F. H, Mohsin,
Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Shri Balakrishna
Venkanna Naik, Shri Sarjoo Pandey,
Shri K. C. Pant, Shri H. M. Patel, Shri M.
Satyanarayan Rao, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait,

•** Not recorded.

357 Disturbed Areas (Spl. Courts) SRAVANA 25,
Bill

Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma, Shri B. R. Shukla,
Shri N. Tombi Singh, Shri G. M. Stephen,
Shri K. Veeriah, Shri R. P. Yadav,
and 15 from Rajya Sabha ;

that in order to constitute a sitting of
the Joint Committee the quorum shall be
one-third of the total number of members
of the Joint Committee ;

that the Committee shall make a
report to this House by the first day of
the next session ;

that in other respects the Rules of
Procedure of this House relating to Parlia-
mentary Committees shall apply with such
variations and modifications as the Speaker
may make ; and

that this House do recommend to
Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join
the said Joint Committee and communicate
to this House the names of 15 members
to be appointed by Rajya Sabha to the
Joint Committee.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That the Bill to provide for the
speedy trial of certain offences in certain
areas and for inatteis connected therewith,
be referred to a Joint Committee of the
Houses consisting of 45 members, 30 from
this House, namely : —

Shri R. D. Bhandare, Shri M. C. Daga,
Shri Madhu Dandavate, Shri Tulsidas Dasappa,
Shri Bircn Dutta, Shri C. D. Gautam, Shri
Dincsh Ghandor Ooswami, Shrimati Subhadra
Joshi, Dr. Kailas, Shri Purushottam Kakodkar,
Shri Sat Pal Kapur, Shri L. D. Kotoki,
Shrimati 1 Lakshmikanthamma, Shri
Mukhtiar Singh Malik, Shri Prasannbhai
Mehta, Shri G. S. Mishra, Shri F. H Mohsin,
Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Shri Balakrishna
Venkanna Naik, Shri Sarjoo Pandey, Shri
K. C. Pant, Shri H. M. Patel, Shri M. Satya-
narayan Rao, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait,
Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma, Shri B. R. Shukla,
Shri N. Tombi Singh, Shri C. M. Stephen,
Shri K. Veeriah, Shri R. P. Yadav, and 15
from Rajya Sabha ;

that in order to constitute a sitting
of the Joint Committee the quorum shall
be one-third of the total number of
members of the Joint Committee ;

that the Committee shall make a
report to this House by the first day of
the next session ;

1894 (&4£4) Income-tax (Arndt.) Bill 358

that in other respects the Rules of
Procedure of this House relating to Parlia-
mentary Committee shall apply with such
variations and modifications as the Speaker
may make ; and

The motion was adopted.

15.08 hrs.

INCOME-TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then, we
take up further discussion of the Income-tax
(Amendment) Bill. Shri Bade was on his legs.

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nium Co. Ltd. vs. Commissioner of Income-
tax (1972) 84 I. T. R. 735, the Supreme
Court virtually overruled its earlier deci-
sion in Travancore Titanium Product Ltd.
vs. Commissioner of Income-tax (1966)
60 I. T. R. 277, and held that wealth-tax
paid by an assessee in respect of business
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AUGUST 16, 1972

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Canada, 75.4 per cent in U. K., 70 per cent
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SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (llctul) : This
Bill has nothing to do with the Wanchoo
Commission. It has a very limited purpose.
The time is very short

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361 tncom-lax (Arndt.) BUI SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) Income-tax (. Arndt .) Bill 362

will help in resolving ambiguities and

doubts in time. . . ”

Boards should be appointed and that is what
is said on page 163 of the Wanchoo Com-
mittee's report. . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I think the
scope of the Bill is very limited . .

SHRI R. V. BADE : There are so many
ambiguities in the income tax law. .«

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Discussion
about ambiguities would be a much bigger
discussion. Here the point is that the wealth
tax of a person should not be deducted from
the taxable income.

SHRI R. V. BADE: If you read the
Statement of Objects and Reasons, they have
given the same thing. In the recent ruling of
1972 the Supreme Court has overruled the
previous rulings and, therefore, this ambiguity
is there. Why I should explain is because the
law is very complicated and the Wanchoo
Committee has recommended that there should
be a Special Tribunal which will solve the
complicated questions. That is on page 163.
I am saying the same thing that the Income
Tax law is so complicated and there are so
many amendments that an ordinary man
cannot understand it. So, the Supreme Court
has overruled the previous rulings and hence
the Ordinance. The whole income tax law is
very much complicated I oppose this because
of the complexities of the income tax law.
Therefore, I oppose this wealth tax. A man
should not be taxed twice. If he is taxed to
wealth tax; then he should not be subject to
income tax.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betulj : I rise
to support this Bill. . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We are
taking up some other business at 3 30. So,
please try to conclude by that time.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : I will try,
Sir.

I rise to support this Bill for grounds
which are different and may be at variance
with those enumerated in the Statement of
Objects and Reasons appended to the Bill
itself. In fact, this legislative measure which
has been sponsored by this Bill stands on its
own intrinsic merits, unrelated to the case
made out in the Statement and for extraneous
reasons. I would never canvass support for
this Bill either for supersession of the judgment

rendered in the case of Indian Aluminium by
the Supreme Court. I would submit in all
humility that that is the judgment, that is a
right judgment. I do not for a moment seek
support for the supersession of that judgment
nor do I seek support for this Bill merely on
the consideration of administrative convenience
nor do I seek support for this Bill because in
the absence of this or if we arc not going to
pass this law, it is likely to cause some loss to
the Exchequer. The Bill goes to create a
concept about taxable income so far as the
business income concerned and we are not
going to pass such laws creating concepts,
artificial concepts of business income. Not for
any of these considerations do I support this
Bill. I support this Bill for some thing much
deeper. It concerns very sound principles of
fiscal legislation because, as a result of this
Bill, we are able to remedy a defect, we arc
able to remedy a lacuna in the law of income
tax if the incorrc tax law is correlated in
juxtaposition to the wealth tax law. I will
explain the position to Mr. Bade and he will
immediately realise how inequitous the aggre-
gate burden of income tax and the wealth
tax is hkely to become if this law was not
amended the way we have sought to amend.
As a result of this Bill and when this Bill
becomes law, the wealth tax paid by an
asscssee will not be an allowable deduction,
against his taxable income under the head
‘business’ or under the head ‘income from
other sources’. It would be assured that the
burden of wealth-tax would become even on
all the assessces with reference to quantum of
the net wealth, so that the aggregate payment
of income-tax and wealth tax does not become
desparate in two different areas who have
wealth of the same value, of the same income,
but one has the business income and the
other has got income from some ocher source
other than business. How this will become
inequitous will be illustrated by me just now.
The judgment is correct ; that is why we have
come with this law. That is why we have
come with the amendment of the law. I am
supporting the rationable of the law. I will
explain this. Take assessce A. Take assessec
B. A has business income. He has 3.30 lakhs.
The liability of A is Rs. 30,000 for wealth
tax. Take assessee B. He has rental income
or income from house properties etc. The
wealth-tax liability is Rs. 30,000. In case of
both A and B, taxable income would be
3.30 lakhs. In the absence of this law, persons
whose incomes are from business have to pay
a wealth tax of Rs. 30,000. The determination
of business income as a total of taxable income

363 Income-tax (Arndt.) Sill

AUGUST 16, 1972

Inconu-tax ( Arndt .) Bill 364

[Shri N. K. P. Salve]

of Rs. 3.30 lakhs and will give a deduction of
Rs. 30,000. This calculation would amount to
Rs. 2,49,550 whereas in the case of B, it will
be Rs. 2,78,875. Thciefore, the liability in
the case of one is Rs. 29,325 more. This type
of discrimination is there, as my hon. friend
will see.

SHRI R. V. BADE : The second para
of the statement says that the Ordinance
amended the Income-tax Act, 1961, retros-
pectively from April 1, 1962, to provide that
wealth-tax payable by a person dciiving
income chargeable under the head 'Profits
and gains of business or profession’ or 'income
from other sources’ will not be allowed as a
deduction in commuting taxable income under
these heads.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : That is exactly
the point. That is what is sought to be done
in this Bill. I have explained how inequitous
the discrimination would be in the case of
assessccs who are both similary situated. One
has assets put of business and the other has
other-than business income. In view of the
decision of the Supreme Court in the Indian
Aluminium Company Ltd. this is what is
sought to be remedied. I do not subscribe
to what is stated in the statement of Object#
and Reasons appended to the Bill. That
is a very highly bureaucratic approach to
the matter. They take only the one part ;
they do not sec me the mam part. I do not
foi a moment submit that the decision of
the Supreme Court in the Indian Aluminium
Company given in No. 84 ITR is not the
correct judgment ; that is a correct judge-
ment ; but then, the Supreme Court is
supposed to give interpretation on the law
as it stands. We should amend the law. The
eailier derision of the Supreme Court was
not correct because it was on the basis of
the old decision in the House of Commons.
It did not hold the field after 10 years in
England and it was referred to a much
larger bench. They said “Wealth tax payment
is allowable deduction.”

I may also explain why in the earlier
case it was held that wealth tax was not an
allowable deduction. They said that wealth
tax was levied on a person qua the owner
of a property and on qua the trader, and,'
therefore, it would not be an allowable
deduction. That was the decision in the
case of Travancore Titanium, which was report-
ed in 1966 (60, ITR ; p. 235). But then
bsequently it was held that a trader’s

liability could not be isolated from his liability
qua the owner of the property. For, if bonus
is paid, does he pay bonus as the employer
or does he pay it as a trader ? If he pays
rent for the premises in which he is carrying
on business, and rent is allowed as business
expenditure, docs he pay rent as a trader or
as a tenant ? Suppose he pays rates and
taxes to the municipality or the local author-
ity, does he pay those taxes as qua trader or
qua owner ? A view has been taken con-
sistently and courts have been giving their
interpretation — it has to be a dynamic inter-
pretation, and it cannot be a static concept —
that a trader’s liability was expanding always,
and, therefore, they had in the Aluminium
case that wealth tax liability was a legitimate
allowable liability. There was nothing wrong
with that decision. But in the absence of this
law, I have pointed out to you how equitous
the aggregate liability of income-tax and
wealth tax would have become. The State-
ment of Objects and Reasons, instead of
bringing out this particular point, has got
itself embroiled in the two decisions etc. of
which advantage is taken by Shri R. V. Bade
who has criticised it without coming to the
merits.

Now, I want someone to tell us what is
wrong in it ; if the aggregate liability of income-
tax and wealth tax in respect of two assessccs
similarly situated is to be brought on a par,
then this law is particularly utterly necessary.
Therefore, I commend this Bill, but finally
one word more, and I have done.

This is a case where the Supreme Court
has given decision m favour of the assessee
and against the Department, because of the
faulty drafting, and, therefore, we have given
promptly in this House to amend the law.
Sometimes it is the other way round, and
decisions are given by the Supreme Court
or observations are made which are against
the assessecs and in favour of the Department.
It is equally necessary in those cases also
where the intent of the legislation is in favour
of the assessee, but due to faulty drafting,
the Supreme Court has held it against the
assessee and in favour of the Department, the
Department must not delay the bringing
forward of legislation.

With these words, I support the Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER s Now, Shri
Baladh anday u tham .

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobilli) :

365

Schemes for

SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) development of backward 366

areas (Motn.)

May I seek one clarification from Shri
N.K.P. Salve ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He can seek
a clarification from the Minister and not from
a member. When he speaks he can have his
say.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM
(Coimbatore) : I welcome this amendment
for the simple reason that it will add to the
resources of the Government, though not
further the socio-economic objectives about
which Shri K. R. Ganesh elaborated the
other day, because it does not require any
argument now that the achievement of the
socio-economic objective through the method
of taxation has proved a failure in the last two
or three years. We are celebrating the Silver
jubilee of the failure of the policy of taxation
with socio-economic objectives . . .

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : This refers only to direct taxes.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM :
Even in the field of direct taxation the socio-
economic objective is not being achieved, be-
cause the reply came from Shri Piloo Mody
immediately that they were not going to pay
the taxes . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon.
Member can continue his speech on the next
day.

15.28 hrs.

MOTION RE: SEPARATE CENTRAL
SCHEMES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF
B \CKWARD AREAS

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall
now take up the motion by Shri Nathu Ram
Ahirwar on the separate development schemes
for the backward areas . . .

SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : May I
submit that more time should be given ? . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Let me
finish what I am going to say. I have not
even finished my sentence.

This is a subject in which many Members
feel involved, and, therefore, the tendency
will be to make their submissions as strong as
possible, and also as long as possible. But £
would like to draw the attention of the House
to the fact that only two hours have been
allotted for this discussion. At 5.30 p. m.,

we are taking up another matter. Therefore,
I would request that the Members who speak
will kindly be as brief and precise and
incisive as possible.

Now, Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar.

SHRI P. K. DEO : May £ submit that
this is a very important subject ? We talk
of socialism and all that. There is appalling
regional imbalance. It would not be possible
to do justice to the subject if we have only
two hours. So, I submit that more time
should be given . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Let us see.

SHRI P. K DEO : ... So, I submit that
at your discretion you many extend it by one
hour. I think that is the sense of the House
also.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch-
Bchar) rose — ^

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Before we
begin, more time is wasted on this.

SHRI P. K. DEO : We should have at
least three hours.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I
have submitted one amendment to the
motion.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We will sec
about it. Wc have not come to that stage.

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SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : On a
point of order. You wanted this to be a sort
of a general discussion. Luckily we have in
our midst our Planning Ministers. I wonder
whether it would not be fitting if the scope
of the discussion on this is broadened to cover
the entire backward areas. .(Interruptions.) We
have submitted some amendments. If it is
going to be considered tomorrow also, our
amendments and motions will be in time.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall do
something at that stage.

16, 1972 development of backward 372
areas (Motn.)

SHRI P. K. DEO : You should extend
the time to three hours.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion
moved :

“That this House is of opinion that
separate development central schemes be
undertaken for the backward areas in the
country, such as Eastern U. P., Bundel-
khand in Madhya Pradesh, Ghhota Nagpur,
in Bihar so that these areas may not lag
behind other developing areas’*.

Three arc a number of amendments given
notice of by Members. The amendments of those
who had given them in time had been circulated.
A number of amendments weic sent only today.
In view of the importance of the subject, and
Members are very much involved in it as they
should be, and because the last two days were
holidays, I shall accept all the amendments
given notice of even today, with the difference
that those Members who gave amendments
only today, when they stand up to move their
amendments, would read them out because
they have not been circulated.

SHRI P. K. DEO : They could be circu-
lated now.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is
some physical limit to what could be done.
The time allotted is limited and even with
extension of time, it will not be possible to
give the members as much time as they would
like. Therefore, I will request hon. member
to be precise. Very ofien, when you are
precise, you are more effective.

SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA (Motihari) : I
beg to move :

- That in the motion, —
for “in Bihar'* substitute —

“Santhal Parganas, Alawe and other
places in Bihar where Dhangar and
Musahars are living*’ (1)

SHRI S. G. BESRA (Dumka) : I beg to
move :

That in the motion, —
after “Chhota Nagpur" insert —

“and Santhal Parganas District" (2)

SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohardaga) :

I beg to move :

That in the motion, —
for “Ghhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these
areas may not lag behind other developing
areas”

substitute —

“Ghhota Nagpur Division and Santhal
Parganas District of Bihar, with a view to
removing the regional imbalances existing
in these areas as compared to other areas
in the respective States" (3)

SHRI P. K. DEO : I beg to move :

That in the motion, —

after “Bihar” insert “the State of

Orissa" (4).

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I beg
to move :

That in the motion, —
after “Bihar" insert —

“five districts of North Bengal such
as Cooch Bihar, Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling,
West Dinajpur and Malda and also the
area comprising Sundcrban and the
Purulia — Bankura districts of West

Bengal” (5)

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI
(Gauhati) : I beg to move :

That in the motion, —

after “Bihar" insert —

“and industrially backward States
like Assam and Meghalaya" (6)

SHRI SHIVA GHANDIKA (Banka) : I
beg to move :

That in the motion, —

for “in Bihar" substitute —

“and hilly areas of Banka Sub-
division of Bhagalpur District, Santhal
Pargana District and other places in Bihar
where Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes are living” (7)

375

Schemes fir

AUGUST 16,

SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD (Ballia) I
I beg to move :

That in the motion, —

for “separate development Central
Schemes be undertaken for the backward
areas in the country, such as Eastern
U. P., Bundelkhand in Madhya Pradesh,
Chhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these
areas may not lag behind other develop-
ing areas* *
substitute —

“separate development Central Sche-
mes be undertaken and medical college,
agricultural university, veterinary college,
sainik school and engineering college, be
set up in each Eastern District of Uttar
Pradesh with a view to removing regional
imbalances prevailing in these areas as
compared to other areas of the concerned
States** (8)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY* BOSU (Dimond
Harbour) s I beg to move :

That in the motion, —

for “separate development Central
Schemes be undertaken for the backward
areas in the country, such as Eastern
U. P-, Bundelkhand in Madhya Pradesh,
Chhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these
areas may not lag behind other develop-
ing areas*’
substitute —

“this country as a whole is back-
ward and inter-State and intra-State
disparity and imbalance arc on the increase
in the fields of rural electrification, irriga-
tion, rural housing, rural roads, coopera-
tives, education, per capita income and
consumption and in other spheres and
therefore feels that sufficient allocation
should be made in favour of respective
State Governments specifically earmarked
extra funds for backward-most areas and
districts as indicated in the list of (180
districts) published by Planning Comm-
ission, including Eastern U. P., Bundel-
khand, Chhota Nagpur, Pumea, Purulia,
Bankura, North Bengal, Midnapur, Sunder-
bans, Kalahandi, Ramanathapurum and
other such areas” (10)

SHRI B. V, NAIK (Kanara) : I
beg to move :

That in the motion, —

for “The backward areas in the
country, such as Eastern U. P., Bundel-
khand in Madhya Pradesh, Chhota Nag-
pur in Bihar so that these areas may not

1972 development of backward 3 i6

areas (Main.)

lag behind other developing areas’*

substitute —

“all backward areas in the
country” '(11)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, we
quite understand that when the country was
subjugated, before, 1947, regional imbalance
was there ; but that was to serve the cause of
the ruling nation, namely, British. But after
that, in every Plan they profess the aim of
bringing down the regional imbalance. I
would like to quote the Fourth Five Year Plan
published by Shri Dhar and Company. It
says t

“In terms of regional development
there has been a natural tendency for new
enterprises and investments to gravitate
towards the already overcrowded metro-
politan areas because they are better
endowed with economic and social infra-
structure. Not enough has been done to
restrain this process. While a certain
measure of dispersal has been achieved, a
much larger effort is necessary to bring
about greater dispersal of industrial
activity.”

I go further and quote another portion from
page Id :

“Balanced regional development and
dispersal of economic ac tivity arc closely
inter-related. Growth and diversification
of economic activity in an under-develop-
ed area can take place only if the infra-
structure required for this is provided in
an adequate measure and programmes for
conservation and development of natural
resources undertaken.”

India as a whole is very very poor. After 25
years of glorious Congress rule, we have the
lowest per capita income in the world. If I am
to believe a journalist who has taken a lot of
trouble for collecting figures, the per capita
income of India is 73 dollars while Pakistan
had 121, Thailand 137, Ceylon 132, United
Arab Republic 136 and Ghana 198. He says:

“India is at the rockbottom of eco-
nomic progress. Economic progress is
mathematically measured by rhe per capita
national income of a country.”

He further states :

“It is poor not only in respect of food
and clothing, but in respect of housing,
educational provision for maintenance of
health as well. The plans have failed to
improve India’s standard of living. The

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failure is generally attributed to ‘popula-
tion explosion' in this country. But a
reference to the above Table will show
that so far as the annual growth rate of
population is concerned, other countries
which have a similar or even higher
growth rate, have larger per capital

So, you have been selling cock and bull
stories.

Then I come to the inter-State picture. It
is a Ramayana, tied in black, bound in black
cloth because it deals with the dark age of the
progress of this couutry. The per capita of the
various States during the year 1969-70 are as
follows : Punjab Rs. 945 ; Haryana Rs. 788 ;
Maharashtra Rs. 731 ; Gujarat Rs. 635 ;
Tamilnadu Rs. 616 ; Madhya Pradesh
Rs. 560, West Bengal Rs. 562 ; Assam Rs. 545 ;
Mysore Rs. 515 ; Jammu and Kashmir
Rs. 513 ; Andhra Rs. 5 1 3 ; Uttar Pradesh
Rs. 506 ; Kerala Rs. 505 ; Rajasthan Rs. 480;
Bihar Rs. 402 and Orissa Rs. 375. This is
what you have done in the course of 25 years
of glorious rule.

Let us go to the performance of the public
institutions. I will take one public institution,
LIG, to show what sort of one-eyed creature
it is. I am quoting the Financial Express :

“The regionwise distribution of
LIC’s investment reveals wide disparities
between States.”

Is it so ? It is all in your hands and you are
creating regional imbalance for purposes and
reasons best known to you.

It further adds :

“Of the Corporation’s total invest-
ments (which could be classified by regions)
of Rs. 1109.48 crores at the end of March
1971 the major share of nearly one-third
went to the western region, followed by
southern and eastern regions with about
a fourth each of the LIC's total invest-
ment in the regions/'

I do not want to go into the details. I just
wanted to show you one specimen how
public sector financing institution have
behaved in the matter of bringing down
regional imbalance and disparity of which
they talk so loudly.

Now, 1 go to I.D.B.I., a very impor-
tant institution. This is their latest report.
This is about trends in assistance disbursed

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by the I.D.B.I. from 1964-65 to 1970-71
(July-June). The amount of direct loans to
other than backward districts, that is, advanced
areas is Rs. 83.8 crores ; direct loans to back-
ward districts — Rs. 5.9 crores. It is not even
l/16th of what has gone to the advanced
areas. You only render lip service to back-
ward areas that you want to bring them up
to the standard of advanced areas.

Then, this is the State-wise distribution
of financial assistance sanctioned and disbursed
by the I.D.B.I. during 1970-71. Take, for
instance, Assam. Total assistance sanctioned :
Rs. 7.5 lakhs whereas assistance disbursed — nil.
In the case of Bihar, the assistance sanctioned
is Rs. 863.9 lakhs whereas they have actually
disbursed Rs. 181.3 lakhs. In the case of
Maharashtra, the sanctioned assistance amounts
Lo Rs. 3151.6 lakhs whereas the amount dis-
bursed is Rs. 2698.7 lakhs. You can see the
percentage ratio. In the case of West Bengal,
as against the sanctioned assistance of Rs.
1459.5 lakhs, the actual amount disbursed is
Rs. 597.2 lakhs. This is your wonderful
performance.

Then out of the total number of 752
industrial licences issued during three years,
1969 to 1971, only 91 were issued for back-
ward areas. Yet, these people have the courage
to say that they are shedding bucketful of
tears every day to alleviate the sufferings of
backward areas, 181 districts identified and
listed by the Planning Commission. This is
really nothing but an utter concoction of every-
thing.

Now, I go to rural electrification which
will interest you, Sir — you don’t cease to repre-
sent the people from Meghalaya. Take, for
instance, Assam. The total number of villages
is 25,702 and the total number of villages
electrified is 707. That represents 2.75 per
cent. Bihar — total number of villages is 67,665
and the topil number of villages electrified is
7981, that is, 11.79 per cent. In the case of
Madhya Pradesh, thc'percentage of the villages
electrified is 11.2 ; Nagaland — 9.21 ; Orissa
topping the list — 2.71; Rajasthan — 11.09;
Uttar Pradesh — 18.78 ; West Bengal — 7.89 and
so on. Look at the disparity. Then, there are
States where there is hundred per cent ; then
there are States with 77 per cent and there
are States with 83 per cent. The backward
areas have remained exactly what they were.

In the case of literacy, I am quoting from
the Cabinet Secretariat draft which says :

“Connected with the issue of primary

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[Shri Jyolirmoy Bosu]

education is the question of adult literacy
as well as the overall literacy in the coun-
try, particularly in those areas where the
level of liteiacy is considerably lower than
the all-India average. The preliminary
data released after the 1971 census shows
that the “overall literacy percentage for
the country as a whole has increased from
24.03 per cent in 1%1 to only 29.34 per
cent in 1971, showing a low rate of incre-
ase in the literacy percentage of the popu-
lation, i. e. about 0.5 per cent per
annum . . ”

The backward areas have remained where
they weie.

Then, it further says :

“There are as many as 33 districts
with a total population of 32.07 million
where the literacy percentage is less than
15 per cent,. M

In 67 districts with a total population of
105.93 millions, the level of literacy is only
between 15 and 20 per cent. That is all they
have been able to do.

16 hrs.

On small scale industries, the State-wise
advance by scheduled commercial banks was
as follows : Assam — the number of units finan-
ced 001 ; Bihar 1492 ; Himachal Pradesh 89 ;
Jammu and Kashmir 443 ; Maharashtra
18,247 ; Meghalaya 1 ; Nagaland 24 ; Orissa
697 ; and West Bengal 5,035. That is the
picture. That is what they have done in the
last 25 yeais. For vote-catching they will come
and tell the people that they would get the
Moon, but later on that will be proved to be
nothing but Moon shine. I condemn this
Government. I would expect them to accept
my amendments given for the betterment of
the country and for the improvement of the
lot of the people living in backward areas.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH
(Nandyal) l The time at our disposal is very
short. I do not want to go into the details of
the entire matter. I entirely agree with the
Mover of this Resolution with regard to some
concrete steps that have to be taken to deve-
lop these backward areas in the country as a
whole.

The Planning Commission has realised
this grave necessity when they have made a
detailed study and have indentified certain
ate as as backward areas and areas which

require preferential and special treatment by
the Central Government as well as the State
Governments. In identifying such areas, the
Planning Commission has not taken sufficient
precautions to see that the funds allotted to
the various State Governments for such of
those schemes that arc being undertaken by
the grants given by the Central Government
are spent usefully and properly in those
areas for which they are intended. So, in this
long time of 25 years, in spite of the fact
that large amounts have been spent and Seve-
ral irrigation projects and other development
projects have been undertaken, the disparitv
is growing and the regional imbalances are
growing. There is something wrong some-
where which has to be rectified and remedied
in order to correct these regional imbalan-
ces.

Take, for instance, the case of Andhra
Pradesh where there are two regions which
are chronically famine-affected and where
adverse seasonal conditions prevail once in
alternate years — Royalaseema and Tclengana,
the backward areas of Andhra Pradesh. These
are the two striking examples that the atten-
tion that was supposed to have been paid by
the Central Government and the State Gov-
ernment has failed to create any tangible
results. Even to this day hundreds of villages
go without the basic, elementary need of
drinking water, and there are several places
where the area is subjected to famine. Recen-
tly there was one interesting incident. A
daughter-in-law wanted to commit aucide by
drowning herself in one of the wells ; she
could not do so because all the wells were
dried up. It had come in the newspapers
also. This is the state of affairs after so many
years of planning. These areas have been
identified ; that is allright. But what is hap-
pening ? In the backward district of Royala-
sceraa, a board has been constituted by name
Royalaseema Development Board for amelio-
ration of the backward areas. But no special
funds have been allotted. That is only a sort
of recommendatory body without any man-
datory or statutory functions. It has become
the fifth wheel in our machinery, with the
result that the schemes which are to be exe-
cuted are being delayed eternally. The irri-
gation schemes or the ameliorating schemes
that have to be undertaken have been slowed
down. I might mention a specific example of
a hydro-electric scheme in that region started
at a cost of Rs. 30 crores, by name, the
Srisailam Hydro-electric scheme. It has to be

381 Schemes for SRAVANA 25,

completed by this time according to the sche-
dule arranged by the Government but it has
not yet been completed at now the cost may
go upto Rs. 100 crores There are many
such schemes. I do not want to enume-
rate all those schemes.

One thing is that there is something
wrong with the infra-structural activities that
are to be undertaken. For instance, when
they want to set up industries in those areas,
they have no infra-structural facilities to
start industries. Though we proclaim more
than once that we will induce industrialists
to go and start industries in those backward
areas, in practice nothing has so far been
done.

So, these are all factors which smack lack
of sincerity with regard to the implementation
of the schemes. As I said, even the elemen-
tary facility of drinking water has not been
provided, leave alone irrigation projects. So,

I suggest that there should be a sort of sta-
tutory Board at the Centre comprising all the
identified backward areas in the country and
they should direct the funds to be distributed
to the various Governments to see their
implementation in right earnest. Unless it is
taken up at this level, any amout of speeches
made in the Parliament or any amount of
speeches made in the Assemblies or anywhere
will not bear any fruit. So, these are the
real facts of life and I might emphasize that
the Planning Commission should seriously
apply itself to the task of narrowing down
these regional imbalances with regard to
backward and famine-affected areas. For that
I would suggest that thev should take it up
in right earnest. There is no point in asking
the State Governments which are already
overburdened with the overdrafts and many
of the State Governments are utterly bankrupt.
They are not able to meet even their mini-
mum requirements and their ways and means
position is very hard. For instance, in Andhra
Pradesh, the entire State is in the grip of a
terrible famine. The Chief Minister was
recently here and he was given Rs. crores.
With this financial position, I do not expect
any State Government will be able to take up
these works in right earnest and do j ustice to
these famine-affected areas. So, I would only
urge upon the Planning Commission to see
that a separate cell is established here, as a
sort of co-ordinator and a centralised body
to be constituted here, and the funds to be
given should not be related to the State plans.
They must be separate funds outside the

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State Plans so that they may be put into ope-
ration and infra-structural difficulties are
removed and industries arc induced to go and
set up units in the backward areas. Then
only there will be any remedy for this long-
felt need of improving the condition of the
backward areas.

SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : The
President in his Address on the occasion of
the 25th Anniversary of India’s Independence
in the Central Hall on the midnight of the
24th, stated “the prosperity and progress of
every part of India is the concern of the
whole nation.” It is very heartening and it
has to be remembered that the strength of
the chain lies on the weakest link.

If you trace the history of the modern
development of this country, you will find
that it is a historical accident. The Fort St.
George in Madras, the Fort St. William in
Calcutta and the fort St. David in Bombay
provided three spring-boards for imperia-
list expansion and they were the centres of
gravitation for development and with a cen-
trifugal development the entire hinterland
was neglected for the enrichment of the three
cities.

Orissa was the last of cede to the British
supremacy in Eastern India and fought every
inch for its independence and the British
deliberately persecuted the State of Orissa.
No development scheme was taken up in
Orissa and Orissa was kept in pie-bits in Bihar,
in Bengal, in Madhya Pradesh and in the
Madras Presidency. In 1035 Orissa was for-
med ; in 1947 the States merged and still
there were many outlaying Oriya tracts left
in the adjoining areas. It has been repeated
parrot-like that they will remove the regional
imbalance ; in all Plans, this is what is being
repeated. But what is being done ? What
is the result ? In 1966-67 Orissa's per capita
income was Rs. 278.80 as against national per
capita income of Rs. 481.50, a difference of
Rs. 200. This difference of more than Rs.
200 has come about in the sixties as against
the discrepancy of Rs. 100 only in the early
fifties. All these years, the Congress was in
power in Oiissa.

Sir, in 1967, the non-Congress Govern-
ment came to power. It was an era of deve-
lopment and a new impetus was given for
industrial and for agricultural development.
Many schemes and projects were submitted
to the Central Government. The State Gov-
ernment implemented many schemes. One

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[Shri P. K, Deo]

of the unfortunate episodes has been that some
of the schemes previously conceded by the
Central Government have now been siphoned
to certain other areas. There is the case of
the Naval Boys* Training Centre at Barkul
for which there was site selection and only
formal opening remained to be done. This is
near Chilka lake and would have brought
many indirect benefits to the area. Mr.
Chintamani Panigrahi comes from that area.
This has been put in cold storage. Justice
has been sacrificed at the alter of political
expediency. Let Mr. Chintamani Panigrahi
resign on this issue ; we will all see that he
is re-elected on this issue.

If, however, the Naval Boys Training
Centre at Barkul would not be suitable for
ecological reasons, I suggest, it should be
located in some other area along the Orissa
coast. I suggest, it should be located at
Paiadeep. •

Regarding the ship-building yard at Para-
deep, the project report was prepared ; this is
the deepest seaport in the country. It has
harboured the largest ship that has ever
anchored on the Indian port. Still it is
denied the ship-building yard. It has gone to
Haldia. I have no grudge against Haldia.
Near Haldia, there is another establishment
of the Defence Ministry, Garden Reach,
which also builds ships. Nature has endowed
Orissa with all the natural resources and even
Dastur and company gave a report that cost
of production of steel here would be the
lowest. They said, if the next steel plant is
located in Nayagaih the cost would be
Rs. 354 per in got tonne as against Tisco’s
Rs. 413, Durgapur's Rs. 450 and Vizag’s
Rs. 414. Still no consideration was shown
to it.

The setting up of a Jute Mill has been
approved by the Planning Commission and is
stated to be under consideration by Shri L. N,
Mishra. This Jute Mill is not coming up,
even though we grow jute in 50,000 hectares
or 1.50 lakh acres of our land. From these,
you will be convinced that the Centre is
guided by various pulls. The States have no
autonomy even to put up an industrial plant
or to raise the royalty for their mineral ores.
Nature has endowed them with rich natural
resources. When there was arise in the inter-
national price of iron ore, the Central
Government raised the export duty by Rs. 10
per tonne, whereas the States were denied of

areas ( Motn .)

the right to increase their royalty or their
quota of finance.

I would like to submit in this regard that
even in the matter of distribution of essential
commodities like iron and steel, the Centre
controls it. We talk of the development of
backward areas. The infra-structure has to
be developed. As for rural electrification,
there should be a network, but the biggest
impediment is being put by the Central
Government by not releasing sufficient quota
of iron and steel for the transmission line from
Talcher to Thruvali and Balimela. I would
like to point out that this is a direct challenge
to the youths of Orissa, and to the uneducated
unemployed of Orissa, and I hope that they
will rise to the occasion and they will give a
fitting reply to the Government.

Regarding railway lines, Orissa has got
only 1 1 k.m. per 100 sq. k.m. whereas West
Bengal has got 36 k.m. per 100 sq. k.m. and
Punjab has got 44 k.m. per 100 per sq. k.m.
The Jakhpura-Banspani-Koira valley line and
the Amaguda-Kesinga railway line have been
kept in cold storage in spite of the feasibility
report. If Government want that Paradip
port which is basically an iron-ore- exporting
port should not be connected with her hinter-
land and the entire iron ore resources of
Orissa should be siphoned off through the
Haldia port, then there is some high politics
behind it and some dirty politics behind it.

Lastly, there is a feeling that Orissa is
being given parochial treatment by the
Centre, even though there is a Chief Minister
who has been planted there, who has got no
mandate from the people of Orissa, with an
inflated majority with defectors who have been
promised loaves and fishes and who have been
rewarded with Minister ship. What more can
we expect ? We feel that it is Shri Siddhartha
Shankar Ray and Shri Priyaranjan Das
Munsi who are ruling over Orissa and not
Shrimati Nandini Satpathy. She will not be
able to fulfil the hopes and aspirations of the
people.

I would conclude with the following sug-
gestions. First of all, if regional imbalance
has to be removed, then planning should be
decentralised. Instead of from the top from
the Yojana Bhavan, it should start from the
panchayat to the district and State level and
then it should come to the Centre. Secondly,
there should be the creation of the basic
infra-structure like irrigation, power, roads,

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railways, educational facilities etc., for skilled
workers, hospitals and workshops, and the
incentives suggested by the Pande and Wanchoo
Working groups of the Planning Commission
have to be fully implemented in letter and
spirit. Unless these things arc done and early
steps are taken in this behalf, I fear that
India’s unity is in danger. Bangla Dcsh is an
eye-opener.

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI
(Gauhati) ; Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I come
from a land of paradox. It is a paradox in
the sense that I come fiom that State and
that area which contributes the largest amount
of foreign exchange for this country ; I come
from that area which provides this country
with oil ; I come from that area which is the
scat of different ethnic groups, caste and people
of different tribes, and obviously an area of
this nature should be rich, but the paradox of
it is that it is one of the most backward
regions of the State.

We speak with great regret that even
though 25 years have elapsed since Indepen-
dence, we have not seen much of an im-
provement in that region A very unfortunate
thing is that the basic factors which require
immediate attention from the Central Govern-
ment in many respects have not been attended
to. Many Members have already talked about
the infrastructure. It is extremely unfortunate
that in the entire eastern region, even the
minimum requirement of infrastructure for
the growth of the economy is not there.

For example, the first requirement is the
requirement of communication. We have said
that if there should be industrial or agricultural
development in that region worth the name,
then there should be proper communication,
and a very minimum request has been made
to the Central Government for the extension
of the broad gauge railway line to Assam.
Even though there has been repeated demand
from the people of Assam for this minimum
requirement, yet this has not been attended to.

We have recently seen that the prospect
of proper agricultural production in the State
has been completely upset by the recurrence
of floods not once or twice but thrice in a
year. Therefore, we cannot but ask the
Central Government to have some schemes
whereby the situation created by the Brahm-
putra bursting its banks can be handled and
solved. But we have found that due to inter-
nAinisterial lack of co-ordination, no decision
has so far been taken in that respect. Though

development of backward 386
areas (Motn.)
the Brahmaputra Flood Control Commission
has been constituted, it is remaining idle for
want of funds.

Thirdly, even in the State from which you
Mr. Deputy Speaker, come, Meghalaya,
nothing has been done in this sphere Meghalaya
is rich in mineral resources. There is tre-
mendous scope for development of agro-indus-
tries. There is considerable scope for the
development of fruit preservation industries.
There exists tremendous scope for development
in other hill regions too. But nothing has been
done so far in this direction. We have not
seen any agricultural or industrial develop-
ment of which we can be proud.

Therefore, m the limited time at my dis-
posal, I would ask the new Planning Minister
who is undoubtedly a dynamic personality. ,

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : And
his old assistant. #

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS-
WAMI : By his dynamism, he will undoubte-
dly carry his assistant with him. We would
like him to come to our assistance about the
interest of our State. We would request him
to create an infra-structure in our region so
that there may be proper industrial and agri-
cultural development.

Here I make a suggestion. As industrialists
are very much reluctant to go to this region,
whenever industrial licences are given to
monopoly houses, it should be with the
condition that the industrial undertakings
must be located in the backward regions. I
think a list of priorities in regard to backward
regions must be drawn up in clear terms.

SHRI PILOO MODY : The law does
not allow it.

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS-
WAMI : If so, we have sufficient powers to
amend the law.

My second submission is that if in-
dustrialists represent and Government fed
that the indigenous people are at a great
disadvantage in locating their industries in
those regions, they could even consider giving
a tax holiday to those industrial concerns.
This undoubtedly will please Shri Mody and
meet with his approval. In making this
suggestion, I am not wanting to make the
rich richer. I am making it order that the
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[Shri Dinesh Chandra Goawami]
rich and also black money might come to
surface in the form of white money and be of
use in the industrial development of the
country. Undoubtedly, if by declaring a tax
holiday, we can achieve the purpose of bridging
the gap of regional imbalances, that will be
of great benefit to the country. I hope the
Minister of Industrial Development will
consider this with other Ministers.

In the short time at my disposal, it is not
possible to catalogue the various deficiencies
of our State ; also this debate is not intended
for that purpose. The purpose of this debate
is to focus the Government’s attention in
general terms on the urgent needs of backward
regions in regard to development. I am sure
that our new Minister and his Ministry will
undoubtedly make an integrated approach
particularly for the development of these
regions.

After all, we have got 4 a massive mandate
from the people. When we go back to our
people, the question asked of us is : what are
you doing after we have given you a big
mandate ? Obviously, in the years to come
if we cannot do anything in this direction, it
will bring discredit to the entire nation.
Therefore, to fulfil the mandate the people
have given us, I request that immediate and
urgent attention be bestowed on the develop-
ment of not only Assam, Meghalaya and
Arunachal Pradesh but the entire eastern
region which is so rich in cultural traditions
and industrial and agricultual potentialities.

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development of backward 388
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SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj):
Sir, my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu revealed
to us certain figures which should be painful
reminders to us that we are still far from a
satisfactory situation which can really please
us. But it is no use complaining against what
has not been done so far, because there are
certain very basic reasons which should be
apparent to my fiiends in the opposition and
to us also and those basic reasons arc not
going to be solved in a day or two or in a
year or two or even in five years. Let us be
quite clear about that. Otherwise, day in
and day out, the opposition throws wordy
stones at us and it does not affect us. Let us
try to find out why an area becomes back-
ward or forward in a country.

16.36 hrs.

[ Shri K. N. Tiwary in the Chair ]

After all, why should Bombay be so pro-
gressive and forward and Orissa is backward
economically, socially and from other points
of view ? There arc certain inherent situations
which obtain and which need to be considered.
I would like to draw attention to those condi*

393 Schmes for SRAVANA 23 , 1894 {SAKA) development of backward 394

areas (Motn.)

tions but there is no time for it. I will at
present only give some suggestions for the
consideration of the Planning Ministers who
are sitting here.

One thing appears to be quite clear.
Millions of people who are unemployed to-
day cannot get employment by merely organi-
sing small-scale or cottage industries in the
backward areas. The fact of the matter is
that you cannot develop small-scale or cot-
tage industries in proverbially backward areas
where the industrial culture or way of life
has not developed. It will take a long time
for Balia or Basti to see a miniplant prosper
as it would prosper in a place like Kanpur or
Bombay. I am not against such plants but
what I am emphasising now is a known alter-
native. We in the Congress Party have recent-
ly pledged ourselves to implement a very big
programme of re-distribution of land in rural
areas. That has the implication of economic
development in such a way that you will not
find a quicker method of economic develop-
ment. Mdlions can find employment by the
development of land in our rural areas, but
millions cannot find employment through
small-scale industries in a short space of time.
This is a fundamental question which must
receive the attention of government. What-
ever pledges we have made, whatever instruc-
tions have been received by the Chief Minis-
ters with regard to re-distribution of land,
agricultural development, etc., they must
receive precedence and be implemented in the
most honest way. Come what may, the land
must be recovered from those who do not
deserve to hold it. If they still retain the
land and only distribute it to their servants
and ben. i mis, nothing can be done about the
development of backward areas. What I want
to emphasize is that the first necessity, the
first programme which confronts us today is
the development of that rural land which is
still in the possession of the people who can-
not develop it. It is the state which has to
come forward to develop those areas foi those
people, and it has to be done urgently.

Secondly, planning has to start from
below. Although this has been talked about
in a big way for a number of years, this has
not been done. I make a concrete suggestion.
Let us choose about ten districts in the whole
country. Let the District Magistrates of
those districts convene a conference of impor-
tant non-official workers of that district. I
do not think they will number more than
1,000 to 1,500. Let there be a convention of

those people for three or four days under the
chairmanship of the District Magistrate. Let
those people make suggestions with regard to
small schemes which they consider necessary
in their own areas like small roads, hospitals,
tubewells, schools etc. Some representatives
of the State Government and the planning
division of the Central Government should
attend this convention and record the sugges-
tions. In other words, planning should ema-
nate from these people. Then you can create
in them a feeling of association, that they
have made a suggestion which has been consi-
dered and accepted. Then it will become a
peoples’ plan. I do not say that you have to
accept all their suggestions but most of them
you will find you will have to accept.

So, the programme of agricultural develop-
ment and redistribution of land require most
serious consideration by the Central Govern-
ment. You mujt create some machinery by
which you see that the programme is imple-
mented. That will give us millions and
billions of rupees every year which will go
ultimately to create a situation where urban
poverty can also be taken care of. If you
only talk of giving small-scale industries in
rural areas and creating mini-steel plants
where it cannot be done, then you are only
wasting time. So, the first priority is the
implementation of the land programme and
the second is to start planning from district
levels by associating the people who live
there.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Mr.
Chairman, the Resolution emphasizes that
the Central Government should come forward
with ambitious plans so that the backward
regions might come up to the level of the
other regions within a shorter period. Even
according to the Planning Minister’s own
admission, no development has been made to
those areas during the last few years. If you
take the statistics of the two decades you will
find that the number of people w r ho arc
living in object poverty and below the stan-
dard is remaining the same.

I quote from the Approach to the Fifth
Five Year Plan, para 3 :

“Economic development in the last
two decades has resulted in an all round
increase in per capita income and the pro-
portion of the poor defined as those living
below a basic living standard of consump-
tion has slightly come down. Yet, the
absolute number of people below the

395

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AUGUST 16, 1972

[Shri B. K. Daschowdhury]

poverty line today it just as large at it
was two decades ago.*’

Further, it says that if this process is to be
continued, to remove these regional imbalan-
ces or to make up the shortages of backward
areas upto si certain standard throughout the
country, it may take 30 to 50 years or even
more. It is their own admission.

I quote another one line more :

“Available projections suggest that
if one were to rely on the growth alone
without directly tackling the problem of
unemployment and income distribution,
it may take another 30 to 50 years for the
poorer sections of the people to reach the
minimum consumption level.”

So, the only question, to finish within a very
short span of time that is available to the
Members today, is whether the Government
will agree to the suggestions put forward by
the hon. Members that there should be a
separate development authority to give a
momentum so that the huge momentum of
generation of development schemes may come
up in the course of a few years upto the
normal standard throughout the country.
This is the only course.

In the Fifth Five Year Plan also, certain
measures have been taken. Unfortunately,
even those measures we find are not in a
position to cope with the gigantic problem of
the development. As a matter of fact, even
with so many measures taken for the popu-
lation control, the birth control, the popu-
lation is increasing at such a rapid rate and
the number of persons living in adject poverty
is also increasing. There is no way out. It
is only if the Government of India comes
forward to tackle the situation on a war-
footing, not only by suggesting certain mea-
sures, as for example, small farmers, develop-
ment programme, that of marginal farmers,
agricultural labour and some other sectors.
It is not enough. I quite admit that these
are certain incentives to makeup the deficiency
to make up the gap.

As far as West Bengal’s per capita income
is concerned, as stated by my hon. friend —
without coming to the real point of discussion
today, he has stated many figures — the per
capita income in 1969-70, is 511. But I pose
another question, to give the district- wise
per capita income. The statement was laid on
the 19th April, 1972. I quote them. Though

development of backward 396
areas (Motn.)

in general it is said, considering there are
certain districts where the per capita income is
far far less, it is stated, Purulia— 197, Cooch-
Behar — 229, Bankura — 229, Midnapore — 231,
Malda — 245 and all these variations, varying
from 197 to 389 in Howrah. The per capita
income of Calcutta is not stated here. But it
must be more. The average per capita of
income for West Bangal being 511, it must
be round about 1000 or a little more.

In view of all this thing, it is quite clear
that backward areas are remaining as back-
ward, backward regions are remaining as
backward, even with certain incentives here
and there for the development of backward
area. It is not meeting with the real situation
a gigantic problem, that has to be taken up
and shouldered by this Government. Back-
ward areas will remain backward whatever
might be the incentives announced from time
to time, unless the basic infra-structure, as said
by several other hon. Members also of
development is there.

Now, it has been stated by the Govern-
ment of India that to increase this basic
infra-structure of development, such as,
communications, irrigation, electricity, these
things are to be taken up by the State Govern-
ment. Even I quite appreciate that these are
the State Government's responsibility. But
considering the huge problem, the question
is whether it would be very difficult on the
part of the Government of India to take up
all those schemes so that the basic infra-
structure of development, particularly in these
backward regions throughout the country
might be taken up under a special develop-
ment authority by the Government of India.

I have already moved an amendment tc>
insert after ‘Bihar’ the five districts of North
Bengal such as Gooch-Behar, Jalpaiguri.
Darjeeling, West Dinajpur and Malda.
These five districts are giving huge profits to
the national exchequer by way of their forest
products. (Interruption) These five districts
are having a population of nearly 50 lakhs,
i.e., one-sixth or one-seventh of the total
population of the State of West Bengal —
even minus Calcutta ; — these five districts
are giving one-third of the total agricultural
wealth generated in the State. For that
reason, Sir, no further development has been
taken up there — no industry, no road commu-
nication, no irrigation projects, no electricity
project. It was accepted by the Prime
Minister and the other hon. Ministers here

391 Schemes fir SRAVANA 25,

by Mr. Mohan Dharia also ; he replied to the
House ‘Yes ; there shall be a North Bengal
Development Board'. (Interruption) Unfortu-
nately the North Bengal development, along
with the development plans of the Develop-
ment Authority for the progress and develop*
ment of Sunderban, Bankura and Purulia
districts, has not yet been taken up. Take,
for example, irrigation and electricity. I
know, West Bengal Government has taken up
a gigantic programme for rural electrification.
The total quantum of electricity that is
available today is about 1,000 megawatts.
But if the West Bengal Government is to
develop that to the extent. Of having electri-
city throughout all the villages in the State
of West Bengal, according to the present,
rate, it will require about 2,300 megawatts.
To have this additional 1300 megawatts of
power, will it be possible for the West Bengal
Government alone to construct huge projects ?
So, considering all these things, I would only
impress "upon the hon. Minister and the
Government of India through you that we
should have a certain Centrally-sponsored
Development Authority throughout the country
to develop the backward regions, to create
basic infra-structure so that the infra —
streture will lead to further development and
the proverty will be minimised in a certain
limited period.

SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapur) : This
is a very important subject. Many of us want
to speak, but the time at our disposal is very
short. 1, therefore, suggest that the time for
this debate may please be extended.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :
The time may be extended by two hours.

SOME HON. MEMBERS The time
may be extended.

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are many
members from all sections of the House who
want to speak on this. So, we will not be
able to finish it before 5.30 p. m. There are
bo many names from this side of the House
as well as from the other side of the House.
The debate will go on upto 5.30 p. m. At
5.30 p. m. the half-an-hour discussion will be
taken up. The debate on this will be carried
forward tomorrow. Those who will not get
the time today will be given time tomorrow.

I am not in favour of extending the time of
the House today.

AN HON. MEMBER . What is the time
allotted for this tomorrow ?

1894 (SAKA) development of backward 398
areas ( Motn .)

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) s
At least three to four hours will be needed to
accommodate the members from all sections
of the House. This is a crucial problem. You
may please communicate this to Speaker and
get more time allotted for this becaus^we
would certainly like our Planning Minis^^o
have the benefit of the views expressed from
different sections of the House. It is a matter
in regard to which we all feel very strongly in
which we are all interested. So, the debate
may continue till 5.30 and then some more
time may be allotted some other day.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Why some
other day ? Why not tomorrow ?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : How is it possi-
ble ? The Speaker is against extending the
time after 6. He has expressed it on the floor
of the House.

•

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Upto 5.30
I agree. You take a motion and let the
House extend the time.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Tomorrow' we
are having the (Constitution (Amendment)
Bill. It is a very non- controversial Bill. We
have kept it for the whole day. In case it is
passed early and if the House so pleases,
whatever time that may remain after discu-
ssion and passing of the Constitution (Amend-
ment) Bill may be utilised for this discussion.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The Business Advi-
sory Committee is meeting morrow. This will
be put up before the Committee and they will
decide the time and other things. The hon
Minister is on the Committee. Because the
Constitution (Amendment) BiH is there before
the House, it will be taken up first and the
decision of the Committee will be communica-
ted to the House.

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : After
the Constitution (Amendment) Bill, if there is
time, we may utilise it for this.

MR. CHAIRMAN: That I said. The
item will be put down but the Committee will
decide about the time and when it will be
brought before the House for discussion. The
Minister will communicate it to you.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I hope the
hon. Members will certainly co-opcrate with
us in having the Constitution (Amendment)
Bill passed as early as possible.

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AUGUST 16, 1972

400

development of backward

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : Sir, I agree that this
discussion be given more time. But, unfortu-
nately, as there are some prior engagements
fixed for Mr. Dhar, that will not be conve-
nient to him though it may be convenient
to me. So, in that context, I suggest that this
may be kept in view and if not tomorrow, it
may be day after tomorrow.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : We want both
of you to be present.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The Minister of
Parliamentary Affairs is here and he has
noted it down. He will certainly take note of
your convenience.

Shri D. N. Tiwary

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nt ifit ^t rnenff itt ansaft 'Ttaffam ir
16af¥, 1 7aft Tfaffapr ^f nf | I «PTT ^ff

areas ( Motn .)

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if apft 5 F|t Ff %arn nar Fnm# % ***»ft-
if »Rf 9 f f t ft aninff i anra-

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arnR | affi aff>ff ttr

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401 Schemes for SRAVANA 25, 1694 (SAKA) development of backward 402

areas (Moln.)

masr jf #q qft p a#sar qft amTqt 5ft
rnqft an«fr qt qfr | % %aar $, ^

8RT*T ^ftST afft #qraw | faRqft
amTqt tft? ITT f? q?*t? ft I I f5Rt
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t I ...(«mR)... 5Tt # qf q?fqT qTfeTT
«TT ft? ^iTT q?T qftlTT ?Tt 4 fqfR q?T 3ft
| qarqft 'R-fftsr ?qq?q arrq NP fr
far# qft 5ft q?ft 125 qo, ;pff 145 50
afta q?ft 150 qo 1 gjtir qrqp #? qq?

am far# qft amqqt 3fft afqrar qaq#
qft amqqt sent ft 1 1 qf% fqfR qft
fqerqt m-rfon ?qq?q | mqft qq? qt«ni
qr ^t? fqfit arrqqqt sar ?srft? qft 1 1
eft f#R arrq qqr q?T# arr | ? #
arqfm f arrqqrt qq? iwk qqtqft
qqrqt qrff<? aft fa: fefa^qs if, qft qfr
qt fq?q£ irftqT |, qarqft am q?# arta
mrq qq?n# ft? qqq# q^qf# ## ft
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1 1 ^ ^t ft 150 q» ^r 500 qo <tx-
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q?pft arr q% arf t ?enft arrqqqt q?q |
afft aftqf qrt f rarer fanft ^rrq 1 1
qt ft qft% qq qT r?rft-

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arT^ft eft pi armqqt q? qq?qt 1 1 %ft?q
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1 1 ^q? qqq? srftqe t, aft 15 anaff %
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qrqt? qq qT I %ft?q qf^ qq% anq qf
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qaqft qt q^t | ft? qtq Fqfra Jf, qT
arff arft qft qq arqft | qfT, qf q?q
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aft qf f q?>f | ft qft fqqrq ^qr: ^q^tq
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qT qT^tq ^qajt qft | qfr %qa art aft?
arta qqqft p arrqqqt q? aft? 1 5ft am
qft % ftnt qqT qra^t ap a:|| ?

qfter qqTfa apq ^ff? % arm ir
^a?q qt<> % faft qrqftrq qqT qT
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q^t ftrqT, arta qqqft fq^rfwf q?T f^qt-
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f q aftqf ft q?f qqqr ftq%%qq fqqr ft?
qtq fqfR fqqqqj q?^t qqnft am 1
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5ftq arrq 5rq? qaiT q^t fqqefr 1 aftq qf?#*
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403 Schemes for AUGUST 16, 1972 development of backward 404

areas ( Motn .)

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T^t I

*rf SiRq ?3T7 cfa qq q^f aft 5Tt
qq% qf^r fa*qfq%q ff qa;*ur ^
TfTg:

“Balanced development of
different parts of the country, exte-
nsion of the benefit parts of economic
progress to the less — developed
regions and wide — spread diffusion
of industry are among major aims
of planned development.

arsNr 30, 1956 qft ?q qrnrtft ?t
kffc^qq <TKT fw «TT I qq ^ft^qq

Jf q^ifc arn; ^fkqr % qf ^ «rr fir :

“That it is aim of planning to
help the areas lagging behind indus-
trially, and continuous efforts should
be made to make vital facilities avai-
lable if the location of industries is
otherwise suitable' 1 .

%qqq t^qqihr sflffqq fqqif arfafrrK

fW TT7!ft I, 27 fqqWR, 1969 sp>

antft qtfkr if cHT frqt fo -

“(l) decided to encourage setting
up industrial undertakings in the back-
ward areas.

“(2) special aid for backward
areas".

qt srrar q?|ft qq ^ «ff 1 qq% qR fra^r
qq 1971 Jf fq^ft Jf tr^ JffqqR |3TT
«tt irPror: an^ tfart^r arm

sr%5T JrfiTTTT sfi ^RTTf?r

f?TTTSf ^ %• TT5^5 f-FTT «TT I «ff ^T^TTk
PfTTsf ^7: 5k?r % 55T Tpaff | 1
«rr fi> sr^r
Tf ftr :

.meagre investment by the centre
and financial institutions is one of the
factors holding up the State’s advance".

st-pr ?ffr JrfsR
^R f4RT sres Jfff I I *nf 7T5T Jf ^>TT
^5TT 3TRT | I T^ir 5Tf tfft ??TT% ^ ^
srtT: vfr »r^ 1 1 Jf «ff fwrr-

=^R «TfcT % >ff «rr :

“..called for an achievement-orie-
nted approach to the economic develop-
ment of UP".

«rr fr ^qrttii Jr ^rR
^ Tf? qr 57T Jf 1 7k TRTf % TPR7ST

^TRT 3TT ^•RTT I ^ qRT iRT | f¥

sr^r qryif Jf frepn |3rr 1 1 Jrfoq

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t, sksr % qRT, smff, srRfk ark
15^157: jf TR% 3qRT fq^T

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tfff q?r>r q?qr 1 1 qsfk q^qr q

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fqif qrq qtf ^ {£ I 3pT^ q^f T>|

ar®3!T qr qqfq q^qr qqrqt arrqT qr

405 Schemes for SRAVANA 25,

qqift qft qftlftrer qft aqqt eft arfttq q?i
fercrr affq q qrerc afa anar qgt % qtqft
spt qWqTqfts qftf fftq *gT I ftftt ftqfft
q fttert i qqqft qpmqftq aft?:

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tt ft£tf*qq qger | i ?qftr qiq qrq
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qg ^tt^TT^T qgt n>TPTT art qqreTC ft,
ftfq^r ?q er*q> qrqq % qftf sqr^r qff
f%?TT i arcqTqqq % ercqqf qft qrftt ft 1
?q qq?;°T ft ^tsrr aft farm %?ff ft qcqrer
ft ararqrcft q?qq 3 ; ft qrs arrar ft 1 %qq
qrr m^q arreft ft 1 arq* q*ercar ft qftf
arm qrft eft Praft fqft aprg qm ft
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1 1 q ar^jrc q?: qftf jrc ft aft?: q ftt %q
qqt q?: arcar erqr qftf 33- qqT ft 1 %q
qgq ^f#t qqt 1 1 src q?; 3?r eft qrqt
ftt qqm arc qqrerc «rc 1 ftfqrq q^fttrc
?tct ft ftr ?q er?q> qftf sqTq qftf fan
qqr I I aTKT eft?: ft fq?5?T | 3 TT ft
aft?: ?rcq ftf ?rcq 3 ?ftrc?sf 5 ft 1 qgt qft
arqerc qft anqTqrcq % ercqq tft farcft
qrfgq 1

35ft qft qrrct % qrRg q*rc arcqTqqq
qft argfqqr % q^ sqTqi?: q* ftt qrrqft
f ?nr arq?: q?r ft 1 ?w ft fq> q^f % aftq
ftt arfsrc? qftq |>ft arc | I anarrft %
arc? q?ft ?rcrcfft ft !rcqftf?3t arft ^
ft ^rrc §ft t q^t ?qm farm aft?:
ffftrc^fq m aft?: qqft frcft f ^

fftft «ft^ qqq; qft 1 1

^ qr?qt q^fttrc | aft qftqrcer q?: |
qjqT efoft ar^t qT?ft fttft qqrqft^f
fftrcerc % \ q^t fttft % qTftt ^?r mr^rc
| \ faerft qftt ft sr? erro aftf qft,

1894 (SAKA) development of backward 406
areas (Motn.)

?qft qaft arc ?^t 1 1 q?qqT ft qq rc^qs
qft^ wrcq q^lf fftqi ft 1 qq eR's ftt
arcq^T «rcq arm mfftft i

qq frcTft ft fqesm ft^qf ftt
qrftt ft 1 3?ftqiqq ft qftft ^aftfqqfeq
mftq qftf ft 1 ftqtqrq qqftar anft irrcft
ft ft 1 ftff q arnft % faftq^q wrft
ft ftqNrrc qirftq qftf ft 1 ftfftqr ?ft
qftf ft 1 q^T % artq ftqr ft ar«^ fft? ftt
qq^ ft 1 ftfrq ?q errq; qftft sqrq qftf
fqqT qqr ft 1 ^q?: qft fqrerc qft

fqsrqrq: fr:^jer+ arm q?rc ft qVr ?i^
fq:g?qr qt ftr anqlf qrffti? 1 q^ej
?qq ft qrtr eft?: ft fftsrq q^qiq ^ qq
'fttq q?T fteft ft 1, fqfsTerf qq ar^qier q«ft
% qanq q:q gan ft i qfqfareff qq ar^qrer
q? r ft 1 arcqqft qg anqqr?: anqqq fttm
fqr qeq qftrc ft fthft farm aft?: qeq qftq
% qfqqq fqqjq ft ^qqr ft q^qiqt arc?: ft

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srcfarc qqr eft?ff ft ftq qqr qftf ft?qt ft 1
qgf ftrcft qft qrrc ft qrq srrq mer qft i
qqr fterc arrqft qrq fqqT fttqT eft arcqT-
qqq % mqq qgt qqqaq ftt arcft 1

marc3?: ft argr qq ^qfttqrq afr qq
aqq g 3 rc m 3ft?: farcrqft apr?qft ftt ^r
qqrft qT ?ft ft qgt q* q^TCT qqt VT
apr?; 3^ qqT fqqT q?rc ftterc eft qg qfeqT
qgq faftftq qrr arm 1 3d rcqqT ft fqr
?q rcTqrT?: qft ftqfq arm®T ftt qf ft
aft* q?:qq* 3ft qrftf qq faqq* gf ft 1
fqfttqrcr aft ft qrgr ftt *rc :

qg qfttq sfq qTq qq qTq?: qr^r rcr?:

qTfg fqqTfq qiqftt qrgg qftq qqm?: 1

5 ^ qqerr ft fqr arq qftf qq^T* qftt ftt
qqqn ft 1 q*q:R anre q>m qr^ft ft arq-
qft ft eft qg fqftt % frcft arcrg graft qr*
ft 1 ? q q?aq* gt fiprlft arqpsq ftt qf

f «

407 Schemes for AUGUST

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI
(Bhubaneswar) : I want to pinpoint certain
things with regard to the backward areas’
development* However I must at the outset
refer to what my friend from the Swatantra
party said about me in reference to the Naval
Training Institute. I am happy to know that
he has a very dear heart for me. I know why
he is so despaired. This Parliament has taken
out the privileges of the ex-rulers and also
their privy purse. The people of Orissa have re-
luctantly divested these ex-rulers of their power
also. I understand why Shri P. K. Deo feels
so much despaired after being divested of the
three Ps because of the growing people's power
in this country. But I do not despair. I try
to get things done

Shri Dharia and Shri Dhar are in charge
of planning. Poverty is a gigantic problem in
the country. Some latest studies have been
made with regard to the magnitude of this
problem in this country by Mr. Dandekar.
In those studies it has coinc out that at the
beginning of the Fourth Plan out of 532.7
million people, 223.5 million, that is 41.9 per
cent, live below the poverty line in this coun-
try. The per capita income is Rs. 324 for the
rural population and Rs. 486 foi the urban
population. And 41.9 per cent live below
this level. But neither the gross national
product nor the average per capita income is
any real index of general prosperity because
in many villages I know that there are persons
who are getting not even 50 paise a day.
People have to take to the roots of the trees.
So some of these figures are misleading.

There is a cell in the Planning Commission
which had made a study of the resources in
the southeastern region which comprises 26
districts of M. P., Orissa, Bihar, West Bengal
and U. P. It is a revealing survey indeed.
It says that the region comprises 1,35,000 sq.
miles and 31.9 million people of whom 45 per
cent belong to Scheduled Castes and Tribes.
It produces 75 per cent of the country’s
mineral output in value and is endowed with
90 per rent of the coal reserves, 80 per cent
of iron and 89 per cent of the manganese
deposits and 60 per cent of the atomic ele-
ments of the nation. Its hydel power poten-
tial is estimated to yield 4217 mw, besides
unlimited scope for development of thermal
power.

Mr. Chairman you are coming from the
neighbouring region. You must be aware of
published statistics. Statistics will say that
Bihar and Orissa have got a huge public sector

16, 1972 development of backward 408

areas (Motn.)

investment. There are two steel mills and
really they are heavy capital consuming indus-
tries. The ancillary industries which need to
develop around these heavy mills which will
provide employment to millions, and by which
industries will spread to every home, these
had not been taken care of. The Planning
Commission must look into this aspect ; it is a
must.

In Orissa, we had electrified 2615 villages
out of 46,000 villages. There are States which
have got more than 5000 km of railway line
while Orissa has got only 2115 kms of railway
line. Other States have got 53, 60, 89 etc.
miles of road for every hundred square miles.
But Orissa has got only 37 miles of road per
hundred square miles. In the field of irriga-
tion, Bihar and Orissa are almost equal. In
Bihar, area irrigated is about 16 per cent
and in Orissa it is a little about 15 percent.
In the distribution of backward population,
Orissa has the highest percentage 40 per cent.
Other States have got 10, 15 or 20. This is
the magnitude of the problem of backward
regions in different spheres.

The Planning Commission lias identified
223 districts as backward districts. Why not
form a Backward Development Authority ?
Mr. Dandekar has suggested for planning for
an annual investment of Rs. 1000 crores for
some years for developing backward regions.
I suggest that there should be a Backward
Areas Development Authority with an initial
capital of Rs. 8090 crores, with mandatory
power from Parliament. It should not be like
the boards set up for Rayalaseeina in Telen-
gana. These kinds of boards devoid of manda-
tory authority never help.

The Planning Commission has allotted 10
per cent of the entire plan for the backward
States. But if you look into the budget of the
State Governments, what do you find ? Capital
attracts capital. Infrastructure attracts indus-
tries. These are the economic laws. The
only regions which advance are the region*
around metropolitan cities like Calcatta, Delhi,
Bombay and Madras 46 per cent of the indus-
tries in West Bengal are situated within 40
miles of Calcutta. Similarly Bombay. This
problem of regional imbalance should be
solved in the remaining two years of the fourth
plan and in the fifth plan. I insist that during
these years, regional imbalances must be
corrected. We invite Mr, Dharia and Mr.
Dhar to come and visit the backward regions
and identify them. Let them have district
planning cells. Every district must have a

409

kdations with

SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) China {ti.AM. Disc.) 410

planning unit. Whatever money you are
going to allot in the remaining two years of
the fourth plan and in the fifth plan for the
backward regions, you should separately allot
so much money for each backward district
and that district development authority will
be authorised to utilise that money.

Of course, the Planning Commission have
taken certain steps for removal of regional
imbalances. They have appointed committees
and the reports of the committees are there.
You should de-license the backward regions in
respect of industries so that they can be star-
ted in the backward areas. Then, it is said
there is black money to the extent of Rs.
3000 or 4000 crores. Give them five years'
time to go to the backward areas and invest
their black money there for turning it into
white money and in the process develop the
223 backward districts. My suggestion may
not appear radical to some, but I think this
can be considered.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Before taking up the
Half-an-Hour discussion I want to make one
point very dear. The fixation of more time
for this motion will go to the Business Advisory
Committee. So far as the day for further
discussion of this motion is concerned, that
will be decided by the Government.

17.30 hrs.

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION
Normalisation of Relations with China

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Mr.
Chairman, just a few days before, in reply to
one of my questions, Shri Surendra Pal Singh
replied that our Ambassador in Waisaw had
a courtesy meeting with his Chinese counter
part there. I would have been happy if it had
been described as “a couiteous meeting of
exchange of good will between Indian and
Chinese Ambassadors”.

It is good news that our charge d ' affairs in
Peking, Shri Brijesh Mishra, had a good chat
with the Chinese officials in Peking on the
15th August celebrations in our mission there.
It came over the radio and I say it is a good
sign. Though it will be disappointing to us
that China has blocked the entry of Bangla-
desh into UNO, I think wc need not be too
much disappointed because wc have given the
opportunity to Shri Bhuttoo to play the
diplomatic game on us with the help of
China. For instance, if we had agreed to
enter into a peace treaty with Pakistan, after

the recognition of Bangladesh perhaps Shri
Bhutto would not have got an opportunity to
play China on Bangladesh.

I want to caution the Government that
some kind of a new pattern of new politics is
developing. At least, Shri Bhutto is trying to
develop a new politics of Pindi-Peking-Tchran
axis. And I believe Government know the
Shah of Iran has shown a certain gesture to
Peking. I think our Foreign Ministry has
taken note of that.

Recently, a very radical political step has
been taken by the Big Powers. The border line
of the international politics of alignment and
non-alignment is almost missing. I think a
completely new pattern is developing in in-
ternational depiomatic relations after the
meeting of Mr. Nixon with Mr. Mao Tse
Tung and Mr. Biezhnev.

The Hon. Minister should also take note of
the fact that there is radical change in the
inside politics of China. After the Cultural
Revolution of China wc noticed a certain
tendency. That tendency is gradually chang-
ing to a new pattern of diplomacy. China is
trying to normalise its relations with other
powers from whom it tried to withdraw.
Another significant factor is that some kind
of metamorphosis is going on inside China.
The tussle between the civil wing and the
military wing of the Communist Party is
coming to an end. With the liquidation of
Lia Piao, the civil wing is more or less in
control to decide the fate of China. That is
a very significant event in regard to Chinese
politics and Chinese point of view on inter-
national relations We already notice certain
changes, at least in their attitude towards
Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and her ap-
proach to Japan.

I should also like to draw your attention
to the fact that China’s attitude towards India
is also changing. In 1967, 1968 and in 1969
perhaps, we remember almost every day, China
was encouraging Naxalites ovci Peking Radio
and China was thinking — some news appeared
in their official paper — that Indian States were
going to disintegrate. They were giving all
kinds of inspiration to Naxalites to go ahead.
But they have now changed their attitude.
Not only they have stopped that, not only
they are not supporting Naxalites, but certain
radical changes have taken place in the Sub-
continent...

AN HON. MEMBER : What about their
support to Pakistan ? ( Interruption .)

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412

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : What I was
going to say is that we certainly find China
has noticed that Naxalite problem has com-
pletely changed theie is no hope for the
Naxalitcs, and the China's attitude towards
Naxalitcs and the forces of disintegration has
also changed. China has noticed that all
their help to Nagas, and Mizos has also
failed ; that the batches of Nagas and Mizos
they had trained have been caught by
India. Then, China has noticed that with the
annihilation of Pakistani rule over Bangladesh,
there is a radical change in regard to the
possibility of poking their nose in the Indian
sub-continent. Apart from that, wc have
noticed a certain low-key attitude of China
during the conflict between India and Pakistan
in relation to Bangladesh.

I mention all this because China wanted
to have a certain point or political base to
enter into the politics of Indian sub-continent.
The things have changed. China is now being
obliged to make a thorough change, if I may
not use the word “thoiough" change but a
certain change is already indicated in the
attitude of China towards India.

I want to quote Han Suyin’s interview, in
November 1971, from a Chinese papers in
which she has made a very significant state-
ment after meeting one of the dose associates
of Chou En-lai. It says :

“China desires India to be strong
and at peace. . "

“The olficial insistently remarked the
sub-continent should be kept clear of big
power influence and the aim of “im-
perialist powers” to shower mistrust and
provoke ( lashes between India and
China. . . .

MR. CHAIRMAN: This is Unstarred
Question No. 634 on which you have raised a
half-an-hour discussion. The Question was
put by Shri S. M. Banerjce and Shri R. S.
Pandcy, The Minister’s reply is, “India is
still awaiting China’s response to her earlier
move in this regard.”

Now, you arc giving your own impres-
sions as to what is China doing.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :
This is a very profound analysis that he is
making.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I know that
there is a group of politicians in India.
Whenever there is any alignment or good

gesture to other than one axis, that cicatcs
trouble with them* Wc understand their
politics. I understand Mr. Indrajit Gupta
also quite well. And further, the Report
says :

“He hopes that ‘India will see her
way clear of the control of her own
destiny. . . .'

“China desires that India should
remain united and independent. It is not
in the interest of any one except im-
perialism, open or disguised, that India
should break up.”

This is a statement which is very important. I
mention this because there arc certain indica-
tions of change in China’s attitude towaids
India.

There is another point about the axis of
rivalry. That China has also radically
changed. That was mainly with India, After
1962, the axis has changed. This axis is no
longer there. This is not the axis of rivalry
between Delhi-Peking but now it is between
Peking-Moscow. We should realise its signi-
ficance. It is good and I appreciate the
Government that they arc not over-playing the
Indo-Sovict Peace Treaty. Rather, our
Government is emphasizing the politics of
non-alignment and the politics of self-reliance.
This is absolutely necessaiy. It is absolutely
necessary for our future relations with China.
If you really want to develop a base of peace
in the sub-continent, it is essential that we
disentangle ourselves from all international
bloc alignments. It is essential that we try to
develop good neighbourly relations with China.
In fact China is now afraid of a weaker India.
But China will appreciate a stronger India.
A weaker India may play the role of a second
fiddle to some big power. About the new axis,
the new axis of rivalry between Peking and
Moscow may affect India to go on the side
against China Therefore, China will prefer a
stronger India and not a weaker India. The
political situation has changed.

Now it is the time that India should try
to take initiative in normalising relations with
China. Ours is not the position of 1962. After
1965 and 1971, the image of India in the
international world and also at home has
undergone a change. Therefore, wc can talk
with China from the point of strength and
from the point of self confidence and not with
any sense of inferiority complex.

You were now talking about the actual

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line of control in Kashmir. Thu can be an
indirect communication to China to settle our
border dispute with her.

I conclude by saying that, for the Future,
for ensuring a real, socialist base, for sodo-
economic development of India, it is absolutely
essential that the Indian sub-continent should
be made a base of peace. That peace is
possible if we can normalise our relations with
China and develop good neighbourly relations
with them. That is why I have raised this
discussion.

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY (Chit-
toor) : I would like to know from the Minis-
ter of External Adairs whether any edoris or
any moves have been initiated by third
countries to bring about a better relationship
or a thaw in the relationship between India
and China. We have reports that Mrs.
Bandaranaike, Prime Minister of Ceylon,
during her visit, was instrumental to bringing
about a message or some sort of a move with
a view to breaking the immobility or the
deadlock in the relations between India and
China on account of the border dispute. I
want to know whether there is any such
move or any edorts have been made at the
initiative of this country and if so, what are
the elforts that we are making to normalise
our relationship with China, to resume our
diplomatic relations with China.

SHRI DAS AR ATI I A DEB (Tripura
East) : We had hostilities with China owing
to border dispute. But now, for the last ten
years, there has been a lull in the border. It
appears that the Government of the Peoples
Republic of China have already indicated
their eagerness to normalise relations with
India. In view of this changed situation, I
do not see any reason why it should not be
possible for India and China to normalise
their relations. I also want to know what
specific steps arc being taken by the Govern-
ment of India to establish full diplomatic
relations with China and also trade relations.
My another point is this. Every one of us
knows that imperialist America is the number
one enemy of the socialist China. If President
Nixon could go to Peking to talk to the
leaders of China to improve their relationship,
what stands in the way of the Government of
India to take the initiative to normalise the
relations with China ?

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR
(Hamirpur) ; As a part of the process of nor-
malisation of relations with China, our Govern*

ment has been sending some feelers and one
of them, I believe, is an invitation conveyed
to the Chinese Government to take part in
the Third International Asian Trade Fair to
be held in Delhi. May I know China’s res-
ponse to this?

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416

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFF-
AIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Ihavelisten-
ed with a great deal of interest to the expres-
sion of different points of view and different
emphasis that has been laid on this question.

Shri Samar Guha appears to have talked
with a great deal of insight into the intentions
of the People’s Republic of China. I am not
sure whether China has changed or not, but,
there is definitely a change in Mr. Samar
Guha. It is a welcome change, whatever may
be the background and the reasons for this
change.

We should continuously go on assessing
the situation. There is no fixed position and
if the international situation changes, then
we should also be prepared to our attitudes
and our approach to the changing situation.
That is the essence of any foreign policy and
we should take note of the changes and take
appropriate steps in older to keep pace with
these changes.

So far as the broad policy of the Govern-
ment of India is concerned, we have always
been of the view that the people of India and
the people of China are great people and they
are neighbours — geography has placed them
together — and whatever may be the differences
or disputes between the two countries, I can-
not see any escape from the ultimate emergence
of a situation where the people of India and
the people of China would live in peace and
as good neighbours.

In the meantime, we have always been of
the view that relations between India and
China should improve. There is no doubt
that relations between the two countries deteri-
orated very much ; there was an armed con-
flict between the two countries. After that
also, the general attitude of China has not
been one of expressing any friendly feeling or
friendship towards India. In fact, we have
noticed, as Mr. Samar Guha mentioned, their
support to certain disruptive elements in India.
There is also their general propaganda line
of trying to project a picture of India as a
disintegrating India, highlighting our troubles
either on the labour front or on the front of
industrial production or food production ;
this, unfortunately, has been the attitude of
China. At one time Mr. Samar Guha used
to summarise all these things in an admirable
manner and he used to urge us to take a more
militant attitude towards China. We had,
however, resisted that temptation and always

took an attitude which we thought was in
our best interests.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If I am a realist,
am I wrong ? If I find changes, I also change.

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : When the
praise comes, take it in good spirit. Don’t fed
rattled when you are praised. While keeping
our objective to do everything possible to
improve relations, our main effort has been
not to do anything which unnecessarily exacer-
bates relations between India and China. But,
at the same time, we have to take a realistic
view of the situation as it is today.

I have made several public statements.
I have made statements on the floor of the
House expressing our desire, our willingness,
our readiness, to improve relations with China.
Unfortunately, unless Mr. Samar Guha has
some inside information, we have not received
a good response. Our attitude still continues
to be to do everything to improve relations,
to remove misunderstanding. But, the latest
propaganda blast which China has undertaken
in several respects is not a very good develop-
ment and I do not see any noticeable change
in their attitude towards India and their atti-
tude of highlighting our difficulties, and their
trying to paint a picture which shows India
in unfavourable stance still continues.

SHRI S. M. B\NERJEE (Kanpur) : What
is your opinion about their vetoing Bangladesh’s
admission in the United Nations ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: On the question
of Bangladesh, the entire House knows the
attitude of the Chinese representatives. We
know what their attitude was when the situa-
tion in Bangladesh was developing and also
when the Pakistani attack came on us And
also, their attitude in the U. N. O. These £.rc
all facts, known to every one. Surely, even
if you give a most charitable interpretation,
you cannot say that they were unbiassed in
thi9 respect. Their attitude was tilted in favour
of Pakistan, and, unfortunately, in favour of
a military regime, Yahya Khan regime, which
had unleashed that terror and violence against
the people of Bangladesh.

Even today, our neighbour Bangla Desh
is recognised by four out of the five perma-
nent members of the Security Council. Over
80 members of the United Nations have alrea-
dy recognised Bangla Desh, which means that
the majority of the membership of the United
Nations has recognised Bangla Desh. But still

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SRAVANA 2$, 1894 (SAKA) Ckina (H.A M. Disc.) 418

the Chinese altitude in the United Nations
appears to be to block the entry of Bangla
Desh. It is all the more, I should say, tragic
that a country like the People’s Republic of
China, whose own entry to the United Nations
had been blocked by others is now adopting
an attitude against the majority view of the
UN members and threatening to exercise the
exceptional right which permanent members
of the Security Council have, to veto her
entry into the United Nations. The power of
veto is a power which is very sparingly exer-
cised when issues of peace and war are invol-
ved. To keep a country of 75 million out and
to threaten the use of veto is certainly not a
very encouraging feature ; which holds out
great possibilities of normalisation of relations;
in the attitude of China in relation to the
countries of the Indian sub-continent.

I am not quite sure whether President
Bhutto is making their attitude more strong
or whether it is ihe Chinese attitude which
perhaps is encouraging Mr. Bhutto again to
adopt an attitude which, according to our
assessment does not appear to be in the best
interests even of Pakistan or of President
Bhutto. But this is a fact which we cannot
ignore and we cannot explain it away and we
cannot wish it away by any argument. What-
ever may be various axes, whether it is friend-
ly between Peking and other countries or an
unfriendly attitude between Peking and third
countries, we should carefully assess our own
position and our own attitude. We were hop-
ing that relations with China would improve,
and to be quite frank, I had a feeling that
they were moving though very slowly towards
impiovement, before the situation in Bangla
Dcsh developed. We should take a realistic
view, with the Chinese attitude in relation to
the events in Bangla Dcsh, in relation to the
movement of about ten million refugees from
Bangla Desh into India, in relation to the
Pakistani attack on us, in relation to their
general assessment of what was happening in
this sub-continent where human rights of
millions of people were actually trampled
under the military pressure and military atro-
cities ; the Chinese attitude v as not such as
could by any imagination be regarded as
impartial. In fact, it was heavily weighted
in favour of the military regime which was
crushing the urges of the people of Bangla
Dcsh for their own independence and for the
preservation of their human rights.

This attitude again caused a setback to
the Blow process of improvement that was

taking shape before the events of Bangla Desh
took the shape which they did.

18 hrs.

1 am not yet clear as to whether there
has been a clear reversal or a change or even
a softening of the attitude in this respect.
Whereas our ultimate objective is clear, still
we cannot improve the relations unless there
is a response from the other side. As they
say, you cannot achieve such a thing by
unilaterally pressing your viewpoint. After
all, there have to be two to strengthen friend-
ship as also there are to be two if there is
going to be trouble. Notwithstanding our
willingness to improve relations, at the present
moment, I do not sec any clear response from
the Chinese side.

What should we do in this situation ? We
should not do anything which unnecessarily
exacerbates relations. At the same time, we can-
not continue to go on repeating this thing with-
out a projier response. So we must as a mature
nation watch the situation and should carc-
full see as to how things are emerging. We
have to safeguard our interests ; we have to
safeguard the basic interests of peace in this
sub-contincnt, of our relations with Bangla
Dcsh and with Pakistan in this neighbourhood,
and it is only in the light of this that wc can
take further steps to normalise relations.

With your permission, I would like to
answer very briefly the three questions put.
To the first by Shri Reddy, my reply is that
there has been no effort made by any third
country to take any initiative for bringing
about improvement of relations between
India and China. Our approach in this
respect has always been that whenever the
relations between these two great countries,
India and China, being neighbours, being
large countries, improve, they will improve
only by bilateral effort and any friendly
association or friendly move by a third country
is not likely to yield any useful result.

The question of sending an ambassador
or raising the diplomatic representation to
ambassadorial level is only a question of
raising the level of representation. We have
got a resident mission in Peking and Chinese
got a resident mission in Delhi. Either country
on any occasion can notify the other that it
has decided to upgrade the level of represen-
tation. No wide or important principle is
involved in this. If we find that by upgrading
the level of representation our contacts there can
be established at a higher level to some useful

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420

419

[Shri Swaran Singh]

purpose, we will not hesitate to do so* As I
said, there is no question of any wide principle
involved one way or the other in this respect.

I have already answered one question
asked by Shri Deb. The other is about trade
relations. We are prepared to have economic
relations with China. If they are prepared
to buy anything, we are prepared to sell it to
them. If we require something from China,
we are prepared to purchase from them.
Political differences need not come in the way
of economic relations.

Another question asked was about our
invitation to them for their participation in
the Trade Fair. We did extend an invitation
to them, that they should participate in the
Trade Fair being organised. We have not so
far got any response from them.

I am glad the CPI «(M) member has
quoted the example of President Nixon’s
flight to Peking. As you know, we have
always welcomed the relaxation of tension in

any part of the world, between any two
adversaries. We have also to remember that
behind President Nixon’s flight was a long
period of informal contacts and most of the
understandings, according to our information,
had been achieved even before President
Nixon went to Peking, as a result of several
contacts, about which the whole world now
knows, that were established at a fairly high
level between China and the USA.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : America
followed it up after sending a ping pong
team to China. We did not follow that
way.

Then, I think the Jan Sangh Member’s
question does not call for any reply because
he did not put any question as such to me.

18.06 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of
the Clock on Thursday , August 17, 1972fSravana
26, 1894 ( Saka ).

Tej Kumar Press (P) Ltd., Lucknow — 4*9-1972 — 1010*

CONTENTS

No. 13 — Thursday > August 17 , 1972jSravana 26, 1894 (Saka)

'Oral Answers to Questions —

| •Starred Questions Nos.
>Short Notice Question No 2
Written Answers to Qaestions
Starred Questions Nos.
Unstarred Questions Nos

241 to 245, 248, 250 anJ 2>I

246, 247, 249 and 252 to 260

2180 to 2392, 2394 fo 2412,
2415 to 2444, 2446 to 2456,
2458 to 2494, 2496 to 2510.
2512 to 2*21, 2523 to 2538, ,
2540 to 2546 and 2548 to
2579.

Calling Attention to Matter of Uigcnt Public Importance —

* Reported Smuggling of foreign watches etc by sim:
European Consular officials in Calcutta

Papers Laid on the Table

Messages from Rajya Sablia

Victoria Memorial (Amendment) Bill—

As passed by Rajya Sabha

Central Sales Tax Amendment) Bill —
p Report of Select Committee and Evidence

Qills Introduced —

(l) Wild Life (Protection) Bill

(li) Seeds (Amendment) Bill
Constitution (Thirtieth Amendment) Bill —

►

^lotion to consider

Shri H. R. Gokhale
Shri Somnath Chatterjee

COLUMN'S

1 -40
30 -41

40 —52

51—188

189—92

192—94

104

194

P,4-- 5

195
195

196—27
196—98. 224 -32
199-204

♦The sign -f marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question *as
dually asked on tl e House by that Member.

(ii)

Shri R. V. Bade

Shn Jagannath Rao

Shri A. K. Sen

Shri O. K. Panda

Shn R. D. Bhandare

Shn Shyamnandan Mishra

Shn Dinesh Chandra Goswami

Shri G. Viswanathan

Clauses 2, 3 and 1

Motion to Pass 7

Income Tax (Amendment) B:ll, 1972 —
Motion to consider

Shri K. Baladhandayutham
Shri K. R. Ganesh
Clauses 2 to 6 and 1
Motion to Pass
Shri Shivnath Singh
Shri K. R. Ganesh

public Debt (Amendment) Bill —
Motion to consider
Shri K. R. Ganesh
Shri Dasaratha Deb
Shri K. M. Madhukar
Shri K. Narayana Rao
Shri C. T. Dhandapani
Clauses 2 to 5 and 1
Motion to Pass
Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya

221—23 *

223—24
240—70 *
262

270—76
270—72
272—74 .
274
274

274—75

276

276—82

276—78

278

278— 79

279— 80
280
281
281
281—8^

(Hi )

Sbri K. R. Ganesh

...

COLUMNS

282

Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill —

Motion to consider, as reported by Select Committee

282—316

Shii Yeshwantrao Chavan

...

282—88

Shri Virendra Aggarwal

...

288—91

Shri B. R. Shukla

...

291—95

Shri Dasaratha Deb

...

295—98

Shri G. Viswanathan

...

299—301

Shri K. Baladhandayutham

...

301—06

Shri K. Narayana Rao

...

307—10

Shri C. M. Stephen

...

310—14

Shri Satpal Kapur

...

314—16

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Thursday , August 17 . 1972/Sravana 26 s 1894
(Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the
Clock

[Mr. Speaker w the Chair ]

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Bill on Industrial Relations

*241. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ;
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether all the Labour Trade Unions
have been consulted with regard to the
introduction of the Industrial Relations
Bill; and

(b) if so, what were their views 0

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA
BIL1TAT1UN (SHRI BALGOVIND
VERM A) : (a) and (b). The pioposed
comprehensive Industrial Relations law
will take into account the various views
expressed during protracted consultations,
with the tiade unions and others, that have
taken place since the Government received
the report of the National Commission on
Labour.

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Every
body knows the state of industrial rela-
tions and the number of man-days lost due
to lack of understanding between the
management and employ sees. What
spccificaction is being taken by the Govern*
meat and when are they going to implement
the suggestions ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR): The question is about industrial rela-
tions law and we contemplate bringing for
ward a Bill on the basis of the recommenda-
tions of the National Labour Commission.
We placed it before the tripartite body, the
last national labour conference. The three
national trade unions met together as a
group and they have submitted their agree-
ment. On that basis we are bringing for-
ward that legislation. As For the second
part, we are in "consulation with the State
Labour Ministers and 1 think I should be
able to introduce legislation in the next
session.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Is that Bill going
to be only bilateral relationship between
labour and capital or between labour and
management 0 Are you also going to consider
the points of view of the consumers whe-
ther individual or collective or group ?
Will the consumers’ point of view be tak?n
up as part of the industrial relationship ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Every time
we take up this question of industrial
relationship, we keep in mind the probable
effect that it will have on the consumers.
Beyond that there is no special organisation
whom we could consult.

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SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : So far as
the proposed legislation is concerned, we
consult the three national trade unicn
centres along with the employees’ organisa-
tions and state Govts. About the first
part of the question, I would assure him
that we are consulting the State Labour
Ministers and all the recommendations, as
far as possible, made by the National
Labour Commission will be given effect to,
keeping in view the general consensus that
we have arrived at.

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SHRF R. K. KHADILKAR : That is
not one of the three national trade union
centres. Certainly I talk with their leaders
but not as an organisation.

SHRF A P SHARMA : It is gratifying
to note that the minister has consulted the
three national trade union centres, as he
calls them. May I know whether this
Industrial Relations Bill is also going to
affect the lakhs of Central Government
employees and may I know whom he is
going to consult about them.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR Central
Government employees are goverred
sepaiately under the JCM. Th'ir machinery
for consultation is different. They are by
comention not governed by industrial law.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : It appears
from the answer tha he will be able to intro-
duce a Bill in the next session. In the
meantime, there is going to be a fast
deterioration in the industrial relations in
the country because of the rising prices and
the demand by the workers for wage rise
and bonus. In the intervening period, is
he going to convene any meeting of the
central trade union organisations and other

organisations connected with certain pro-
blems to <ee that r dustrial relations improve
because there is going 10 be labour trouble
in every p'acc ?

MR. SPEAKER Please do not
make a speech.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The three
national trade union centres have formed a
Council of Trade Unions. Through that,
they can take up certain matters and
approach the Government. So far as rising
prices and other causes for industrial
discontent are concerned, wc deal with them
separately. This is not a form for dealing
with individual problems.

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : What about
the demand for wage rise and bonus ?

SHRI A. P. SHARMA : Industrial
relations do not deal with wages and bonus.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : That is
right. Industrial relations law does not
deal with wage structure and bonus

MR. SPFAKER ■ You do not recognise
the Chair He does not recognise the
Chair. What am I to do ? Kindly have a
look at me also;

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : Yes, Sis.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : It
is gratifying that the Labour Minister is
consulting the labour organisations befoie
enacting laws. Will he advise the other
ministries also to consult the other interests
at the tunc of enacting laws ?

MR. SPEAKER : Please be relevant to
tins question.

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Mazdoor Sangh has ideological affiliations
with Jan Sangh. They have got limited
strength.

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Oral Answers 6

MR. SPEAKER : Questions should not
be asked in a provocative manner. That
is not good. Do not provoke them. Then
it will be a headache which is transferred
to me. You quietly sit down and I have
to deal with them.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : As amicable
relationship between the management and
labour does not exist in the public sector
undertakings of this country, do the govern-
ment propose to have strict application of
this legislation to the public sector under-
takings ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : Industial
law will apply to public sector undertakings
as well.

Closure of Iron ore Mining Industries
in Bibar and Orissa

4 "

♦242, SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO :

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether iron ore mining industries
m the Barajamda and Banspam areas of
Bihar and Orissa are facing closuie;

(b) whether 10,000 workers have already
been retrenched from January to March,
1972; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Govern-
ment is aware of the difficulties being faced
by some of the iron ore mines in Bihar-
Orissa resulting in the closure of some of
them.

<b) No, Sir.

(c) The matter has been under constant
review, in consulation with the Ministry of
Railways with a view to Improve the
supply of the required number of wagons^
for movement of the iron ore.

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May
I know whether it is a fact that the Gene-
ral Secretary of the Orissa Chamber of
Commerce has made a categorical state-
ment that the retrenchment has been much
bigger because of the failure of the rail-
ways for the last two years to move iron
ore from mine site for export via Paradip
and the shortfall was one million tonnes
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 ? If so, how
far this statement is true ? What steps
have been taken in this regard ?

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : It is
true that the railways had have some difficul-
ty in moving the iron ore from the area for
export via Paradip. Even though the
target for export through Paradip was 18
lakhs tonnes, the actual performance was
13.45 lakhs tonnes, leaving a shortfall of
about 5 lakhs tonnes.

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH : In reply to part (a) of the ques-
tion the Minister has stated that some of
these mines have been closed. Which are
those mines and how many of them are in
Bihar ? What is the position of the work-
ers in those mines which are closed ? Will
they be absorbed elsewhere or will they
continue to be unemployed ?

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : The
total number of workers affected so far
vanes from 1,800 to 2,000. Though there
has been no large-scale retrenchment, there
has been fairly large-scale lay off. The
mines affected are : Kasia-Barpada Iron
Ore Mines No. 1 and 2. Seramda-Bhadrassai
Manganese Mine No. 1 and 2, Guah Iron
Mine Jaruri Iron Ore Mine, Gorumahi-
«ani Iron Mine and Purnapam Iron Mine.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : In view of
the fact* that a large number of employees
as has been stated just now, are laid off,
may I know from the hon. Mmis'er whether
these persons have been paid lay off compen-
sation under the Industrial Disputes Act ?

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : That
strictly does not come within the purview
of the Ministry of Steel and Mines. I
presume that the law on the subject will be
obe^d. {Interrupt ion) There are definite
rules and regulations on the subject of lay-
off and those are adhered to.

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Bombing of North Vietnam

*243. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Will
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to slate :

(a) whether the United States Air Force
planes have attacked the dyke system in
North Vietnam several times in recent weeks
re ulting in heavy loss of life to civilian
population;

(b) if so, whether India has made any
efforts to rouse world opinion against such
inhuman and barbarous attack on the
civilian population in that country; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The
DRVN Government have informed the
Government of India of the serious damage
caused to their dyke svstem by the U.
S. bombings and loss of civilian lives.

(b) and (c). Government of India have
consistently opposed the U. S. bombings of
Vietnam and expressed serious concern
over the situation resulting therefrom. This
open reiteration of our stand on the subject
is in itself a powerful element in mobilising
world opinion.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Since meek
and mild gesture of moral reprobation of
the impossibly atrocius conduct of the
American imperialists appear to be incons-
equential, nriy I know whether the Go\ em-
inent has proceeded n the matter of recog-
nit'on of the Provisional Revolutionary
Government of south Vietnam wh ch would
be a proper answer to the operation of bom-
bings in such barbaric fashion ?

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : It is
a suggestion for action.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Efforts
made in the direction include not only
moral gestures of the kind Sardar Sahib
made but also certain diplomatic and other
steps in this direction. I do not know what
is happening in this regerd.

MR. SPEAKER : 1 am just keeping
silent over it because it is a very important
Question But, I think, he should remain
near about the Question.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Mysubmis-
sion is that it comes within the ambit of
the Question.

MR. SPEAKER : You have gone to
the P. R. G. and all that.

SHRI H, N/ MUKERJEE : If you
could give me time enough, I could give you
arguments for it, that it comes within the
ambit of the Question.

In view of the special responsibility
devolving upon the Government of India to
concretise its sen'.e of protest against
American imperialism and the r bombing in
Vietnam, may I know why it is that the
External Aflairs Minister at Guyana appea-
red to be more apologetic about the walk-
out of Indonesia and Malysia rather than
be positne about the admission of P. R. G,
which would have shown that we do not
follow a namby pamby policy in foieign
affairs ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I am sorry
I do not agree with the assessment of my
attitude in Guyana which the hon. Member
has formed. 1 think, it is based on incomp-
lete informarion about all that happened in
Guyana.

MR. SPEAKER : You could put a
direct question on that. I am sorry 1 allowed
him to side-track form the main Question
to P. R. G. and Guyana. This is about the
bombardment of the dyke system in North
Vietnam. I would request the Members to
confine themselves to the Question.

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI:
May I know whether in the recent Confere-
nce which the hon. Minister of External
Affairs attended, this matter was formally or
informally discussed or, even if it was not
discussed, whether any feeler was thrown
from the Indian side un this matter ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I must
inform the House that this matter of bom-
bing of dykes is now known to the entire
world. In the initial stages some feeble

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attempts were made by the U.S.A. Admini-
stration to deny, but f think, more and
more evidence that has no-v been
available, particularly from independent
sources, does point out conclusively to the
fact that dykes have been the subject matter
of bombing and it is also clear that even
bombing of points quite close to the dykes
has also caused serious damage to the
dykes. This matter has been a subject
matter of discussion, and this matter, along
with the general question of bombing of
North Vietnam territory, was vary much in
the minds of the delegations in Guyana.
The final resolution and declaration does
contain references to the situation in Viet-
nam and has also taken a positive and clear
stand of opposition to the bombing and of
finding solutions which are acceptable to the
people of Vietnam.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALD-
ER : I want to know fiom the Minister
whether Government is prepared to move
and pass a resolution condemning the bom-
bing by U S. Air Foice of North Vietnam
dykes and civilian population to rouse
world opinion.

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : No resolu-
tion is required. We have expressed our
view-point very categorically more than
once.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : In view
of the fact that even leading American poli-
ticians have attacked their own Government
for bombing on the dyke system in North
Vietnam, I want to know from the Minister
what concrete steps have the Government
of India taken to rouse public opinion,
apart from issuing pious statements I also
want to know whether they had taken up
the question in the non-aligned Conference
to have a separate resolution condemning
the bombing of the dyke system in Noith
Vietnam.

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : With regard
to the first question, the opinion is suffici-
ently roused in our country and all over
the world, and I do not know what more he
wants us to do in this respect.

About the second question, as I have
said already, the question of Vietnam situa-

tion and the b>mbingby the Americans of
North Vietnam territory, including dykes,
was very much before the Guyana Confere-
nce, and if the hon. Member carefully
studies the relevant resolution and declara-
tion he will find the answer to what he is
asking me.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Heavy bom-
bings by Americans is going on in North
Vietnam, and Mr. kissinger is also going
here and there. The Minister of External
Affairs is competent enough to assess the
American attitude. May I know what exa-
ciJy is the motive of the Americans ? Do
they want to destroy North Vietnam or do
they want to finish the war or do they want
to negotiate and come to some sort of
solution ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I wish I
could answer for the United States Govern-
ment. But I cannot.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : There
has been the reported vis i 1 of Dr. Rissinger
to South Vietnam to persuade that Govern-
ment to come to some sort of an underst-
anding with North Vietnam. May I know
whether the role of India and also that of
the non-aligned nations had had any impact
on the United States to make them initiate
this move ? I also want to know whe-
ther it was known to our Government
before Dr, Kissinger made his visit to South
Vietnam.

MR. SPEAKER : Why do you not
put a separate question on this ?

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : This
is my question : whether the reported visit
of Dr. Kissinger . . .

MR. SPEAKER : So many people
come and so many people go. Please ask
a relevant question .* whether any Ameri-
cans tried to . . . (Interruptions) You are
again going to repeat it ?

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : I
am not repeating it.

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : We knew
that yesterday Dr. Kissinger flew in a plane

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Oral Answers 12

and he has reached Saigon. What he is
going to do there, what are his plans — 1
do not know anything at all.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Before I
put a question, I really wanted to bring to
your notice that when we put questions,
1 have seen that an American diplomat is
violating the rules and regulations and goes
on taking notes there sitting in the gallery.
They come here merrily and go on dicta-
ting their own terms. 1 want that that should
be snatched away. The security men
should be sent immediately to snatch it
away.

MR. SPEAKER ; It happened once
earlier also. Don’t make reference to the
galleries.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : A little
while earlier, the hon. Minister said
that in the beginning the American ad-
ministration was tr\ mg to deny the fact
of the bombing of the dykes, but later on,
was forced to admit the truth. I would
like to know from him . irrespective of
whether the Americans deny or confirm it,
have we on our ow'ii sought or received any
direct information from our envoy in Hanoi
who, being on the spot, is piobably in a
position to give us a better and fullei in-
formation and on the hasi«> of that in-
formation, can he tell us as to wl at is the
actual extent of the bombing i f the dykes
and the damage caused to the civilian
population and cultivation and so on, and
on that basis, why has the Government of
India not said anything ? Why a*e you to
wait for the Americans to deny or confirm
it ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : It is a
pertinent question. We did receive in-
formation from our own represen tato e in
Hanoi who, along with certain other dtplo-
rrates, was taken by the North Vietnam
authorities to see some of the dykes which
have been damaged by bombing. Of course,
he could not go to all the places and, there-
fore, it was not possible for him to assess
♦he entire damage to the dykes caused by
bombing. But he did see with his own
eyes and he sent a report to us that he
did see the damage caused to some dykes by
bombing.

Setting up of Mineral Exploration
Corporation

*244. SHRI S A. MURUGANANT-
HAM :

SHRI ARVIND NETAM:

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be p’eased to state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to set
up a Mineral Exploration Corporation to
accelerate the mineral exploration progra-
mme in the countiy;

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b), Govern-
ment have taken a decision to set up a
Mineral Exploration Corporation in the
public sector with its headqurters at Nagpur.
To start with, this Corporation will function
with the personnel and equipment to be
transferred from the Geological Survey of
Indn. The Corporation will be charged with
exploring in detad and pro\mg the resources
in specific mineral prospects in the shortest
possible time in order to facilitate their
expeditious exploitation.

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM:
May I know' fiom the hon Minister whether
Rs. 100 crorcs is being spent for the import
of non-ferrous metals ?

MR. SPEAKER: The question is about
setting up a Mineral Exploration Corporation
to accelerate the mineral exploration progra-
mme. You a^k it in the shape of question
and don’t give infoimation yourself.

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : The
import bill of metals would be about Rs.
200 crores roughly.

SHRI S.A. MURUGANANTHAM: May
I ki.ow from the hon Minister whether the

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Government propose to take urgent steps to
see that th s drain of foreign exchange is
stopped at the earliest ?

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: The Gove-
rnment is doing its utmost to ensure that
our dependence on imports of metal
is reluced as quickly as possible. The
House would be glad to know that as
far as aluminium is concerned, we are on the
way to attaining self-sufficiency. Sizeable
reserves of copper have also been found.
We are developing that. Nickel also has
been struck in Orissa and in respect of lead
and zinc, sizeable deposits are there. We
are trying to develop that as fast as we can.

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SHRI PARIPOORNANAND PAINULP
Will the hon. Minister be pleased to state
whether as a pie-requisite to mining operati-
ons and mining explorations, detailed survey
of the mineral deposits would be conducted,
especially of th^ deposits in the Himalavan
region by the Photo Interpretation Institute 9

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : That
will be one of the main functions of the
Mineral Exploration Coiporation. The
hon. Member would be glad to know that
already the GSI have prospected various
minerals in the Himalayan region.

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : rose.

MR. SPEAKER : If you ask like this
I have not been able to finish these ques-
tions.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I tried to
catch your eye, but I failed.

MR. SPEAKER : I am going to divert
my eye for the question. Anyway, you
can ask, but Undly don’t make it a
practice.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Are there
any complaints for all these long years
that the mineral exploration work carried
on so long by GSI was unsatisfactory or
inidequate 9 If not. what are the specific
reasons which have led the Government,
in the face of opposition by many scientists
and experts, to bifurcate mineral explo-
ration work from GSI and to set up
an absolutely independent corporation
now.

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) : The decision of the Govern-
ment was talcen^n the basis of the report
that was submitted by a Sub-committee of
the Committee on Science and Technology
consitmg of leading scientists of this country.
It is called COST. The main reason
advanced by them, which was accepted by
the Government, was that geological mapp-
ing was proceeding rather slowly and that
it would be better to separate the work of
pure mapping on the one hand and the
work exploration on the other hand. In
many countries there is a division between
the woik of mapping and :he work of
exploration. It is really in pursuance of this
princip’e, after considerable discussion,
and after getting advice from leading
scientists, that this decision was taken.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : It is not
clear whether the mapping will be done in
the new corporation or whether it will
continue to be done by the GSI.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : Survey work which really is the
work of mapprng is being done and will
continue to be done in the GSI. After
mapping reveals the existence of mineral
reserves, in any particular area, the work
will then be transferred to MEC (Mineral
Exploration Corporation) to decide on
whether those reserves could be commer-
cially exploitable or not. When a decision
is arrived at that they are exploitable,
that will go over to the exploiting Cor-
porations.

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Setting up of new Steel Plant In South

*245. SHRI B. V. NAIK :

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) the progress so far made in the
setting up of the three new steel plants in
the South;

' (b) the time by which these three plants
are expected to go into pioduction; and

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOIiAN KUMARA
MANGALAM) : (a) to (c). A Statement
is laid on the Table of the House.

Statement

(a) to (c). The progiess made so far
in respact of the new steel plants is given
hereunder. The extent of land acquired/
being acquired is also indicated:

Salem Steel Plant :

2. Based on the Consultants’ techno -
economic feasibility report of the project,
an investment decision was taken in May
1972, for setting up an alloy and special
steel plant at Salem with the following
product-mix :

Sheets/strips Tonnes per annum

Stainless steel 70,000

Silicon steel 75,000

High Carbon Steel 30,000

Wash heats (Mild Steel) 20,000

195,000 tonnes

3, In the case of Salem Steel Project
about, 1,355 acres of land required for

the Plant has already been acquired. On the
basis of the advice given by the Consul-
tants, Hindustan Steelworks Construction
Ltd , a Government of India undertaking
have commended site levelling work. With
the construction activities having started, a
separate company for the management of
the Salem Project is being incorporated
shortly.

4. The Project is expected to be
commisstioned in 1977-78.

Vijayanagar and Visakhapatnam Steel Plants

5. The Techno-Economic feasibility
Reports were received in early 1972. The
eost estimate v?ned from Rs.747 crores to
Rs. 819 crores for different alternatives. Besi-
des, it emerges that the plant would make
a considerable loss. A Study Group was,
theiefore, constituted to examine the
Feasibility Reports with a view to reduce
capital and operating costs. The Group
has finalised its work and is expected to
submit its Rcpoi t shortly.

6. By 31. 3. 1972 about 3,216 acres
of land had been acquired for the Vijaya-
nagar Plant. Preliminary estimates for
site levelling are being prepared For the
Visakhapatnam Plant land acquisition
proceedings are in the progress. Initially
about 5,500 acres of land is proposed to
be acquired.

7. With a view to reduce the lead
time required for the manufacture of
equipment as well as to maximise the
indigenous content, a panel of Experts
for Standardization of Steel Plant Equip-
ment was constituted m January, 1972.
The recommendations made by the Panel
in their Report submitted in May, 1972 have
been largely accepted. Steps have, been
initiated to place orders for some of the
major equipment on the Heavy Engineering
Corporation and other public sector engi-
neering units shortly. A Study Group to
assess the manpower requirements during
the construction ns well as the operation
phase has been constituted.

8. Arrangements have been made for
testing the various raw materials at the
National Metallurgical Laboratory, Jam-

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st^edpur, Central Fuel Research Institute,
Bhanbad and abroad.

9. Topographical surveys in respect
to all the sites have been completed. Rail-
ways have also completed thei; prelimi-
nary surveys for providing exchange yards
and sidings. The schemes prepared by the
respective State Governments for meeting
the requirement of water, during the project
costruction stage, as well as during the
operation stage are under consideration.
Initial load bearing tests on soil have been
completed.

10. According to a schedule of cons-
truction indicated by the Consultants in
the Feasibility Reports, the Plants would
take about 8 years from now to be com-
pleted. Measures, including those men-
tioned above, are in hand to reduee this
time.

SHRI B V. NAIK : From the state-
ment I find that the Salem steel plant is
expected to go into production in 1977-78,
while for the other two plants at Vijaynagar
and Visakhapatnam, no specific date of
commissioning has been given, even though
broadly it has been mentioned that it would
take about eight years. I hope that the
distinction between the two is not deli-
berate and that all of them will be commi-
ssioned.

It has also been stated that the steel
plant at Vijaynagar or anywhere else will
be making substantial amount of loss. In
view of the fact that many of our public
sector undertakings particularly in steel
are working and functioning below their
capacity, about 33 or 35 per cent in the
case of Durgapur, will the Steel Ministry
consider it fit to let the price of steel in
the open market to float so that they will
become self-sufficient ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : Tt> answer first of all the point
regarding the Salem steel plant coming into
production earlier, I hope the hon, Member
will appreciate that the steel plant at
Salem is an alloy steel plant which is to
produce about 195,000 tonnes of finished
steel,, that is, alloy steel, whereas Vijay-
nagar and Visakhapatnam plants are major
integrated Steel plants. So, naturally the

time for bringing them into commission will
be different. I do not think that there is any
discrimination involved except the dis-
crimination between alloy steel on the one
hand and ordinary steel on the other, which
unfortunately exists in life.

So far as the question of loss is con-
cerned, the hon. Member has put forward
a point which has some relevance, and I
can assure him that we are examining the
entire pricing system of steel products to
try to arrive at a proper conclusion.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : May we know
whether there is any possibility of further
‘preponing* the date of commissioning of
the Vijaynagar and Visakhapatnam plants ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : I arj not quite sure about the
meaning of that English word ‘preponing*.
but I presume that it means that he wants
to bring it forward. So far as ‘preponing’
is concerned, every effort is always being
made to 'prepone’.

MR. SPEAKER : ‘Poning’ is the

common thing between the two.

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : I hope that
this is not unparliamentry.

I hope you will find that out.

MR. SPEAKER : It is just the ‘pon-
ing’ wnich is common on both sides.

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : May
I know whether these steel plants will meet
their raw material requirements locally and
what their man-power requirements would
be during the construction as well as the
operatiop phases ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : Thare are three plants involved
and the extent to which these three diffe-
rent plants will obtain their raw material
locally will vary. ^ So far as the Salem
steel plant is concerned, I think hon.
Members are aware that our aim is to
utilise the Kanjimalai iron ore. Since the
steel plant is not going to be an ordinary
integrated plant, the question of coke
does not arise as also coking coal being
transported there.

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So far as the Vijaynaggr plants is con-
cerned, iron ore will be locally available,
but coking coal will have to be brought
from Bihar. So far as the Visakhapatanam
plant is conce.ned, iron ore would
very likely be taken from Bailadilla,
but the coking coal will again be taken
from Bihar. This is the position so far as
the raw materials are concerned.

I did not follow exactly the latter
part of the hon. Member’s question.

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : What
will be the man-power requirements during
their construction as well as operation
phases ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : We have not arrived at any

final conclusion regarding man-power re-
quirements A study group in examining
that in order to do so.

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This is about transport of ore to
Visakhapatnam and shipment to Japan. At
present, what is the procedure for bringing
iron ore from Bailldilla to Visakhapatnam ?
Is it by our own rail or by some other means?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA MANGA
LAM : At the present moment, we are
still examining what will be the exact method
of transport. Ordinarily we would expect that
the entire ore would be transported by rail.
But during the last decade, as hon. mem-
bers must be aware, there has developed
the process of transporting iron ore by
slurry. We are examining all the three
methods, namely, pelletising and transport-
ing the pellets or sending them by slurry
or sending them by rail. We have not
come to a final decision.

SHRI B. S. MURTHY : What are the
difficulties m acquiring land in Visakha-
patn:.m ? Also what are the other teething
troubles in the case of the Visakhapatnam
factory ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-

MANGALAM : I do not think Government
have ever stated that we have had any
difficulties regarding acquiring land in
Visakhapatnam. The other difficulties are
the normal ones that one faces in relation
to the establishment of any public sector
undertaking of a major character — nothing
special.

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SHRI PILOO MODY : It is a very good
question.

MR. SPEAKER : On his recommenda-
tion, I am allowing it for answer.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : The decision to put up a
steel plant in Visakhapatnam was taken
some years ago. I think all considerations
were taken into account in arriving at that
decision.

Advance payment for goods not
supplied

*248. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of SUPPLY be
pleased to state :

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Oral Answers 22

(a) whether a firm fraudulently obtained
advance payments amounting to Rs. 2 84
lakhs for supplies which were not effected
by it, as observed by the public Accounts
Committee in its 105th Report (Fourth Lok
Sabha);

(b) if so, whether an investigation into
the matter has been completed; and

(c) whether in view of this observation,
Government is contemplating to consider
the question of building safeguards into the
general conditions governing contracts of
the D. G. S. & D. ?

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D. R. CHAV AN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) In the light of the observations
made by the Public Accounts Committee,
certain remedial measures have been taken
by the Government from time to time to
safeguard Government’s interests. A state-
ment listing out these measures is laid on
the Table of the'House.

St ite merit

1. Sub* clause 9 of Clause 14 of the
condition of contract (DOS & D-68-
Revised) has been amended specifying that
the railway receipt/consignec’s note or bill
of lading if any, should be drawn in the
name of the cansignee or the interim consi-
gnee, as the case may be, and should be
sent to him.

2. Instructions have been issued to the
Purchase Officers that in future Acceptance
cf Tenders, the consignees should be reques-
ted to send an intimation to the Purchase
Organisation immediately on receipt of
stores giving particulars of the Acceptance
of Tender No. and date, date of despatch
of stores by the contractor with railway
receipt number and da«e and date of actual
receipt by the consignee along with the
quantity received.

3. In case of progress payments, in
addition to test checks of railway receipts
and transport documents, the progress

held staff will also test check the actual
receipt of stores by the consignee. This will
be done by checking consignee's receipts,
sending letter to consigneee to certify the
receipt and in important cases even by
visits to the consignee’s premises.

4. Consignees have been asked to
promptly report to the Pay & Accounts
Officer concerned, with a copy to the Direc-
torate General of Supplies & Disposals, any
ca-es of shortages/discrepancies found in
the stores received by them. In this conne-
ciion, administrative instructions have been
issued for preparation of bills by the supply-
ing fims in quadruplicate to enable the Pay
& Accounts Officer to uso the triplicate
copy of the bill as a debit intimation memo
to the consignee concerned. This will help
the consignee to report to the concerned
authoi ities immediately m case stores have
not been received for which payments have
been drawn by the firm.

5. Instructions have been issued that
all serious complaints received from consi-
gnee’s and other malpractices, frauds etc.
reported by them should immediately be
brought to the notice of the senior officers
and also periodically reviewed by them so
as to ensure prompt and pioper action.

6. It has been decided that the Pay &
Accounts Officer would, immediately after
making payment of advance bills, send a
registered letter to the consignee asking
him to confirm receipt in full or the extent
of *hort supply of stores as ind cated in
the railway receipt, within 45 days of
receipt of the letter.

7. It has been decided that the contrac-
tor should incorporate a certificate on the
bill foim itself to the effect that the railway
receipt No. and dare quoted in the bill ' is
genuine and correct.

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Arising out of answer to (b>, may
1 know the contents of the report of
investigation ?

SHRI D, R. CHAVAN : When the fraud
was detected, Director, Supply, Bombay,
reported it to the CBI, and SPE, Bombay

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Oral Answers 24

Branch. Investigation has $>pen completed.
There are four cases which lire pending in
the Additional Chief Presidency Magis-
trate’s Court. Ore case has been decided.
A partner of the firm committed the fraud.
He has been convicted and sentenced to pay
a fine and also undergo imprisonment.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Thi is the
first time that he is replying to a question as
the Minister of Supply ?

MR. SPEAKER : Then he must be
congratulated.

PROF. NARAIN CHAND :
PARASHAR : What is the name of the
firm ?

SHRI D R CHAV AN : The name of the
firm is Khushalbhai patfl & Sons.,
and the partner of the firm, I. R. Patel,
has been convicted. ( Interruption )

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00*1 001 ffsnjz 501 ?

SHRI D. R. CHAV AN : The name of
the firm has been given.

Mr. SPEAKER : He has mentioned it.

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SHRI D.R. CHAV AN : The question is,
the fraud has been committed by the firm.
Fraud has not been committed by the office;
it has not come to the notice of the Govern-
ment, what is alleged by the hon. Membre

is absolutely incorrect.

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SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : This is a
case where a firm has received fraudulent
payment without supplying any material.
Without the official connivance, it is
impossible to got payment without supply-
ing the material. I want to know from the
Minister, when he says that it is only a
fraudulence on the pait of the firm, what
action has been taken against the officials
who have paid the amount. ( Interrupt on )

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order.

SHRI D R. CHAVAN : All the details
concerning this case have been given in the
105th report of the Public Accounts commi-
ttee, 1969. ( Interruption )

MR. SPEAKER : He has put a cate-
gorical question; whether any action has
been taken against those officers who have
made the payment.

SHRI D. R. CHAVAN : No action has
been taken against the officials. ( Interruption )

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MR. SPEAKER : Order, order, He has
already categorically stated that no action
has been taken. Now, Shri H. M. Patel.
( Interruption )

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Oral Answers 26

Shouting and screaming is not substitute
for the strength and logic of the question.
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SHR1 H. M. PATEL : Will the Minis-
ter be pleased to indicate if the
department has carried out any enquiry into
this, and whether he has found that there
was no scope or there was scope for taking
steps against the officers concerned ?

SHRI D. R. CHAV AN : The investi-
gation has been done. There was no scope
for the officers to commit any fraud; no
connivance. 1 can explain it: how the
fraud was committed and all that. I can
explain what was the modus operandi that
was employed. The matter ^vas investigated
and the officers here not found to be
involved, ( Interruption )

MR SPEAKER : 1 th nk he is very
honestly tellirg you. He is not hiding or
concealing anything . ( Interruptions ).

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
What is the modality of payment ? How is
the officer not involved ?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Who made
the payment ? Who sanctioned it ?

MR. SPEAKER : He is asking about the
modality of payment.

SHRI D. R. CHAVAN : This is adva-
nce payment made according to the practice
prevalent in the DGSD on the basis of the
railway receipt. The modus operandi in this
case was as follows. The firm were not the
manufacturers themselves but they were the
agents of certain textile mills. They entered
into agreement for supplying various stocks.
In this case the mill manufactured the cloth
and despatched the cloth after inspection
to the destination and passed on the railway
receipt to the bankers with instiuc-
tions that if the firm makes payment to the
bank the receipt should be given. The firm
did not' make payment to the bank but
quoted fictitious receipt to the Pay and
Accounts and got the money, advance
payment which was 90 per cent of the total
contract. . . ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER I have called the
next question.

Implementation of ratio of
Clerks in E.P.F.O.

*250. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether ratio of U.D.Cs and L.
D.Cs. has been fixed by the Government
from 1:2 to 2:1 Employees Provident Fund
Organ aition and a Gazette Notification in
this regard has also been published; if so
the specific features thereof and the policy
of the Government; and

(b) the steps being taken to expedite
the implementation of the same ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION (SHRI BALGOVIND
VERMA) : (a) The Government have
accepted a recommendation of the Central
Board of Trustees based on the report of a
Committee of Trustees that the ratio of U.
D.Cs and L D.Cs may be liberali-
sed from 1:2 to 2 : 1 subject to the
condition that there would be no
overall increase in the total number
of posts as a result of the revision of the
ratio and the revised ratio should be given
effect to from the date of regular filling up
of the posts. No gazette notification has
been issued prescribing the ratio of the
posts of U.D.Cs and L.D.Cs.

(bi The Provident Fund authorities have
reported that the Scheme has already
been implemented.

SHRI R. P. YADAV: May I know whe-
ther a decision has been taken in the matter
to reverse the ratio and if so why the same
is not being implemented ? What is the
number of LDCs and UDCs ? After this
ratio is reversed, how many LDCs were
promoted as UDCs ?

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: I do not
follow the point that the ratio had been
reversed. It has already been stated that the
ratio had been liberalised from 1 : 2 to 2 : I.
Accordingly some posts have been filled;
189 posts have been filled and 189 LDCs

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Oral Answers 28

were promoted as UDCs, It has been deci-
ded to promote 1,000 LDCt as UDCs in the
long run.

SHRI R. P. YADAV: I want to know
whether the Central Provident Fund Comm-
issioner is not implementing the scheme
deliberately due to his prejudices and if so
what action is being contemplated against
him ? Is the Minister aware that the emplo-
yees are on strike ?

SHRI BALGOVIND VERM A r The con-
tention of the hon. member is not correct
that the Piovident Fund Cormissioner is
not filling up the posts as per the decision.
The fact is, the posts are filled fifty-fifty;
i e 50 per cent will be by promotion based
on seniority and 50 per cent by those who
come out successful in the examination. On
a tacit understanding, the two methods of
filling up the posts will goon side by side.
(Interruptions).

SHRI R P. YADAV: Has it come to
the notice of Government that they are on
strike ?

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: It has
not come to our not'ce.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: This was one
of the demands of the employees of this
organisation which has been conceded in
part, not fully. Ha\e tfey submitted a char-
ter of demands and there is a countrywide
agitation going on this ? Have they made a
request to the minister to intervene m the
matter ? If so, what is his reaction ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1-
LKAR) : We have received charters of
demands from various quarters and one of
them is from thc^e employees We have
partially met their demands and partially it
is under the consideration of the Board of
Trustees. ( Interruptions ).

Compensation tj Victims of Dhun
Mine disaster in Bihar in 1965

•251. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE* Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether family members of 268 work-
ers who died in Dhun Mine Disaster, Bihar

in 1965 have not yet been paid compensa-
tion; and

(b) if so, the reasons why no action was
taken to get compensation for the family
members either by the State Government
or by the Union Labour Ministry ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADI-
LKAR): (a) Yes.

(b) The enforcement of the Workmen’s
Compensation Act, 1923, rests with the State
Government. No action was possible on the
part of the State Government as the comp-
ensation proceedings pending before the
Labour Court. Patna had been stayed by
the Patna High Court till the disposal of the
civil revision cases preferred before it by
the management These cases have since
been disposed of by the High Court and the
compensation proceedings have been resumed
in the Labour Court at Patna. The date for
the next hearing is 28th August, 1972.

SHRI S M. BANERJEE* In 1965 in
Bihar, 268 workers died in the Dhun Mines
owned by the Raja of Ramgarh. Wc aie
putting this question in 1972 and we arc
told that no compensation has been pa.d
to their families May I know whether the
Government of India are in contact with the
State Government and whether they wi'I
see that at least the members of their fami-
lies, if they aie alive, should be paid this
compensation ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: I must
admit that it is a sad commentary on the
functioning of the judiciary when offences
of this nature are brought to the courts,
the Labour Court, ihe Patna High court
and all these courts, I do not know under
what influence, because so many people
died in 1965 and yet no compensation has
been paid. ( Interruptions ). 1 am stating the
facts.. (Interruptions).

SHRI DINESH SINGH : How can you
cast aspersion on the High Court 7 It is very
unfair.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It has taken
more than seven yeaTs and still they have
not been paid compensation. You should
be ashamed of such courts.

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Oral Answers 30

SIJRI PILOO MODY: Government
could have paid compensation suo motu t
Why did they not do it ?

MR SPEAKER: It would be much bett-
er if Shri Khadilkar leaves aside all comm-
ents and is concise in his answers. He can
easily say that it is pending for a long time.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Under the
Workmen's Compensation Act, the implem-
entation rests with the States. Certain adva-
nces were made from the Prime Minister’s
Relief Fund and other funds. They were
very meagre because it was such a big
disaster.

MR. SPEAKER 1 May I request him to
give brief concise replies instead o r long
replies because longer replies lead to comp-
lication ?

SHRI A. K. SEN : It could not have
gone to the court unless the Government
resisted the claim for compensation.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR; Now a
stage has been reached where perhaps the
case will be finaliscJ soon.

MR. SPEAKER. I am sorry, the question
hour is now ovei .

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, I thou-
ght you would make an observation about
it. It is a scandalous thing. Eleven years
have passed.

MR SPEAKER: The Minister has alre-
ady made it.

SHRI A. P. SHARMA: The Minister
has said that the case has reached a stage
where it would be finalised. What is the
stage now ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This is
another glaring instance which shows the
class character of the government.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : In v ew of the
delay in arriving at a decision by the High
Court and in view also of the fact that no
compensation has been paid so far, would
the government make tome cx gratia
payment ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: This is a
suggestion.

Short Notice Question

Death of Shri Charu Mazumdar in
Police Custody in West Bengal

S. N. Q. 2. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleaed to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention
has been drawn to the countr -wide appre-
hension over the recent death in police
custody in West Bengal of Shri Charu Mazu-
mdar, chairman of the Communist Party
of India (Marxist-Lemnist);

(b) whether medical and other relevant
reports regarding the death of this all-India
political personality have been aiequately
examined: and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (c). According to
the information furnished by the State
Government so far. Shri Chaiu Mazumdar
was arrested by the Calcutta police in the
early hours of 16th July, at Calcutta. On
being taken to the Calcutta police head-
quarters he was examined, among others,
by an eminent heart specialist. An E.C G.
was arranged and all possible medical care
was made availab’e On being remanded
to police custody, he continued to be under
constant medical attention and treatment
as advised by the heart specialist. Family
members of Shri Mazumdar were also allo-
wed to see him when he was in police
custody. Shri Mazumdar’s condition, how-
ever, suddenly deteriorated towards the
afternoon of 27th July. He was again
examined by the heart specialist and on
his advice was admitted at 19.30 hours on
27th July, to the S. S. K. M. Hospital.
Despite all me iical assistance. Shri Mazu-
mdar expired at about 4.50 hours on 28th
July. A four-man panel of physicians*
including the heart specialist under whose

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Oral Answers 32

treatment Shri Mazumdaf had remained
has stated that the death of Shri Mazumdar
was due to eschaemic heart disease with
congestive cardiac failure. The death certi-
ficate of Shri Mazumdar was duly signed
by the four physicians in the panel. Since
the death occured in police custody, post -
mortem examination of the dead body was
made. The viscera has been sent to the
Forensic Science Laboratory for chemical
examination. The result is awaited.
A magisterial inquest is also in progress.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : The
question relates to the death of a leader of
a political party and all that we get m
answer is that a statement is laid on the
Table. The members would like to hear
the answer. He is the leader of a respecta-
ble party.

MR. SPEAKER : He may ask his
supplementary.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sir, you
should please bear with me for a moment.
Before I ask my supplementary, 1 want to
make a submission. This is a question
about the death of the leader of a political
party of this country and it should be
answered in a fashion that the hon. Members
would know. Now, hon. Members do not
get an opportunity of reading the statement.

MR SPEAKER : In the case of longer
replies they are always laid on the Table.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Some-
times they are read out also.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sir, I
am a bit intrigued by your concern for time
being wasted or not wasted.

In view of the fact that the average
citizen would be intrigued by the phenome-
non that the heart of Shn Charu Mazumdar
which could bear the rigours and tensions
of underground life and hounding by the
police of the entire country for more than
three years was unable to stand the care and
comforts provided by the Government for
even a fortnight and also, in view of the
fact that his widow has made a statement
to the effect that adequate medical treatment
had not been given to him, that police
interrogations had continued for very long

stretches of time to the detriment of his
heart condition and similar accusations
have been made in journals published in
this, country, may I know if it is right for
the Government to leave this matter to a
Magisterial inquest, that is to say, an
executive non-entity investigating the pro-
ceedings and why does not Government
agree to some kind of a real investigation
by a proper person or a High Court Judge
or something of that sort so that all the
misapprehensions in the minds of the people
could be allayed ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : May I, for the
benefit of those Members, wh> may not
have read the Statement give a few sentences
from the statement ? This is the infor-
mation given to us by the West Bengal
Government :

“On being taken to the Calcutta
police headquarters, he was examined
among others by an eminent heait spe-
cialist. An ECG was arranged and ail
possible medical care was made availa-
ble. On being remanded to police
custody, he continued to be under
constant medical attention and treatment
as advised by the heart specialist. Family
members of Shri Mazumdar were also
allowed to see him when he was m
police custody Shri Mazumdar's condi-
tion, however, suddenly .deteriorated
towards the afternoon of 27th July....’*

I might say that when he was captured,
along vith him oxygen cylinders were also
found and, I understand, he was a chronic
patient of cardiac asthema. From the
photographs, you must have seen that he
was considerably emaciated.

Further, I read from the statement :

“He was again examined by the
heart specialist and on his advice was
admitted at 19.30 hours on 27th July to
the S.S.K.M. Hospital....”

— there he expired —

“A four-man panel of physicians,
including the heart specialist under
whose treatment Shri Mazunfidar had
remained, has stated that the death of
Shri Mazumdar was due to eschaemic

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1 heart disease with congestive cardiac
' failure. The death certificate of Shri
Mazumdar vas duly signed by the four
physicians in the panel. Since the death
occurred in police custody, post-mortem
exam- nation of the dead body was
made...”

As Shri Mukerjee said, a magisterial
inquiry is also in progress.

So, I hope, my hon. friend will con-
cede that adequate medical arrangements
were made and that all along a heart Spe-
cialist was also looking after him and his
advice was being followed.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : What-
ever one might think of the Minister’s
statement, since very large number of deaths
inside jail, whether by point blank shooting
down or otherwise, in recent years, have
taken place, can the Government assure
that in every such case of death, including
that of Shri Charu Mazumdar, post-mortem
reports properly made would be made avail-
able and that a full medical report regarding
Shri Charu Mazumdar’s death in particular
would be made public in view of the magis-
tral inquest at least which has been
announced ?

SHRI K. C. PANT ; The death report,
a* I have already said, has been signed by
four physicians. The inquest is on. The
findings of the inquest will be public. They
will be going into the report of the forensic
laboratory and the Post-mortem examina-
tion etc. I do not know procedurally
what exactly is made public by the magi-
strate or what is not made public. But
all the procedures laid down will be follo-
wed. I for one do not find any rtason at
all in this to occasion any doubt about the
probity of any of the persons involved, Mr.
Mukerjee said, some one of probity should
look into it. 1 have no reason to question
the probity of either the physician or the
magistrate in this case.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The hon.
Minister has just now said that from the
time of arrest, all along a heart specialist
had been attending on late Charu Mazum-
dar. If I remember aright, the Commission-
er of Police, Calcutta, had said very
categorically that Mr. Charu Mazumdar

was in good health at that moment. How
does it sound that a heart speciatist was
attending on a man who had been maintai-
ning good health as certified by the Head of
the Calcutta Police, namely, the Commissi*
oner of police ? uill the hon. Minister
kindly cUrify this point ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : I do not know
about the statement of the Commissioner
of Police. But I do know that the inform-
ation given to us by the State Government
is that Shri Charu Mazumdar was arrested
by the Calcutta police in the early hours of
16th July at Calcutta. On being taken to
the Calcutta Police headquarters, he was
examined among others by an eminent
heart specialist. This is the information with
me on which I have made the statement
1 have myself stud on the basis of the in-
formation with me that he was a chronic,
cardiac-asthma ^patient. His heart might
have been all right when he was arrested,
obviously was good enough at that stage,
but then there was a sudden deterioration
on a certain date. All those fact I have
given; I can not give any moie.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The
Minister is mentioning about the facts at
his disposal. We are interested in know-
ing the correct facts and not cooked-up
facts that are often brought before the
House. Will he please collect fuller details
on this and hv them on the Table of the
House, if there is no skeleton in the cup-
board ?

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : The
M nister has said that Mr. Charu Mazumdar
was a cardiac-asthma parent. When he
was anested, pathadrme and oxygen cylind-
ers were found with him. He was, imme-
diately after the arrest, examined by a
heart specialist. It is also on record that
he was subjected to constant interrogation
by one Minister in charge of Calcutta Police
and also subsequently . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Minister
of State.

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : Mini-
ster of State is also a Ministir. ( Interrup-
tion ) i It is not a laughing matter. It is a
very serious matter and this thing is being
widely commented by the Press, by the

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public and not by the people who were all
admirers of Mr. Charu Mazumdar. But
there is something called justice, Mr.
Charu Mazumdar was not found to be
convicted of any crime as y$t. Anyway it
is on record that he was subjected to in-
terrogation, and it has been alleged that he
was subjected to 17. hours of continuous
interrogation. Before this interrogation
took p’nce this grilling third degree method
on a cardiac-asthma patient was the advice
of a caidiac specialist and other doctors
who attended on him obtained before Mr.
Charu Mazumdar was subjected to this soit
of inhuman interrogation ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : I shall again repeat
because my hon. friend put some words in
my mouth. According to him, I said,
‘Atonce a heart specialist examined . .

I did not say ‘once’. I can only say what
has been given here : ‘On being taken to
the Calcutta Police Head-quarters he was
examined among others by an eminent
heart specialist.' . . .

SHRI PILOO MODY : ‘On being
taken . .

SHRI K. C. PANT : But the inform-
ation that I heard said that right from
the time he was arrested, he was given
proper medical attention. So, I cannot
exactly pinpoint when the heart specialist
examined him.

Secondly, the question of twelve hours
continuous interrogation has been raised by
my friend. It has been stated here by the
West Bengal Government that because of
his poor health, Shn Charu Mazumdar’s
interrogation was carried out only in
brief spells. So. this does not bear out
what he says.

SHRI PILOO MODY Three spells of
twelve hours.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
There are three veiy material points which
arise in this context and need clarification
from the hon. Minister.

Now, what are exactly the reasons for
a Minister of State interviewing Charu
Mazumdar in the Police custody ? Is it a
practice for a Minister to interview a person
in the Police custody ?

Secondly, what were the findings of
this eminent heart specialist after his exami-
nation ?

Thirdly, a point arises out of what the
hon. Minister has said namely that an
inquest is under way. What are the precise
points for the inquest ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : As to why the
Minister of State interviewed. Mr. Charu
MaZumdar, I cannot answer...

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
Why ? Is it the practice ?

SHRI K C. PANT : Obviously I
cannot It is for the State Government. He
is not our Minister. Shri Manoharan will
be veiy angry if I choose to answer for one
of the Tamil Nadu Ministers here ( Interrup-
tions )

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Your
Central Ministers can go to Tamil Nadu
and meddle with the whole matter ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : I am happy about
it.

SHRI TR1DIB CHAUDHURI : On a
point of order. It has become the practice
of thf Treasury Benches whenever a question
pertaining to States or law and order comes
up, to take shelter behind the DMK.. That
is very unfair. You have admitted the
question and this question is being answe-
red. He is answering the quession. So, why
should he give this sort of answers ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : Why not ? I do
not understand the objection ..(Interruptions)

SHRI PILOO MODY : If the minister
sits down, 1 can explain the objection to
him.

SHRI ft. C PANT : I do not see what
fairness or unfairness there is in this. Wc
do hear protests here if one of our Minis-
ters chooses to answer for the State Govern-
ment. There is the emphasis on State
autonomy So, if I raise this question, how
is it unfair ? .. ( Interruptions )

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On a
point of order, Sir. He has accepted this

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question. Now he wants to take shelter
under DMK. Wonderful, If it is a State
matter, how was this question allowed to be
admitted ? I want to ask this question of
you. Mr. Speaker. If it is a matter which
involve: the State Government, how is it
that this question was admitted here ? I
want to know about that.

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : The
DMK Government directed an inquiry
whenever such a thing happened in Tamil
Nadu. Will your Government follow the
same ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Kindly
give your observations on what I said.

MR. SPEAKER : If you think it is a
wrong thing, then it will not be done in
future.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Are you
taking a cue from an odd Member ?

MR. SPEAKER ■ No please.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : This kind
of observation that falls from your lips
that is recorded for posterity.

MR. SPEAKER : We have accepted it.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Sir, I do
not want to put any question to Mr. Pant
because I want to be magnanimous.

SHRI K. C. PANT : I thank Shri
Manoharan for his magnanimity. So far as
the findings of the heart specialist arc
concerned, I do not have the exact findings
here; certainly we can find out what the heart
specialist had said But I know that he was
called on the 27th. He advised that Shri
Majumdar should be hospitalised and strai-
ghtway he came towards the evening and
Shri Majumdar was hospitalised in the
evening. This fact 1 do have with me. As
for the inquest the Magistrate did see the
dead body in the morning and he also exa-
mined some witnesses. He still wanted
to examine some more witnesses and only
after that examination we will be in a posi-
tion to know fully.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
What are the precise points for inquest ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : 1 don’t know the
precise points, but he was going into the

circumstances and facts surrounding the
death to give his findings.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : The death
occurred on the 27th, July. wG presume
that on the sarqe day the viscera was sent
for chemical examination we do not have
the examination results. This is the callous
way in wh ch he was treated even after his
death. In view of the mounting doubts
expressed regarding the medical treatment
meted out to him and regarding his death,

I want to know whether Government is in a
position to accept a judicial inquiry into
the whole matter.

SHRI K. C. PANT : He died on the
28th at 4-50 P M and not on 27th. I wish
to correct him there. So far as the report
of the Forensic Science Laboratory is conce-
rned, I myself was sui prised that the report
had not come \ asked my office to ring up
West Bengal Government and they got in
touch with the West. Bengal Govt and they
told them that there were certain tests which
take long time. Only this morning we
had got in touch with them. I agree with my
friend; it looks as if they have taken a long
time. Snfar as the next question is concerned,
about the judicial inquiry, my answer is, no.

SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE : Charu
Ma7Aimdar very successfully eluded arrest
for three years and it was known that he
was to tour the country for organisational
work of his party. It was also
known and it was common news that m
Calcutta this Naxalite movement was losing
its ferocity and its depth. How is it that
just before death Charu Mazumdar arrived
there in Calcutta and got himself arrested 9
Was it done under advice from any foreign
country, or was it a planned way of being
arrested, just before diath, for political
purpose 7

SHRI S. A SHAMIM ■ There must be
a judicial inquiry The State Government
is a parly to the i<sue. You are basing your
opinion on the statements and facts given
by the State Government. The facts or the
statements are those that have been supp-
lied by the accused, which is, the State
Government in this case. Will the Minister
agree to an lrquiry, either by Members of
Parliament or a Judicial Inquiry or even a
Central Agency Inquiry, ft r that matter, of

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the CBI, or any other agency* because the
State Government is the accused party ?

SHRI ft. C. PANT . I am surprised at
the statement mide by the hon. Member
tha t the State Government is the accused
party. This is completely wrong.

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It is a cons-
piracy hatched by the State Government.
The West Bengal Government has got him
killed. The Minister who visited him ...

SHRI PILOO MODY : They played
Nagarwala on him. Who else murdered
him ?

SHRI S.A. SHAMIM It is a case of
a mysterious death.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: We differ
from the political \iews of Shri Charu
Mazumdar but as he was honest to his own
conviction, his death has created a scare in
the country. It appears to us that the hon.
Minister is not posted with all the informa-
tion from the Government of West Bengal.
I want to know from Government one
thing. If the hon. Minister is posted with
the facts, he can reply here and now; other-
wise, he may supply the information as
early as possible after finding out the facts.
I want to know whether Shri Charu Mazum-
dar was in police custody for eleven days
before his death. During these 11 days, may
I know whether he was at the police head-
quarters at Lai Bazar or he was taken to
jail custody ? Further, during those 11 days,
for how many hours was he subjected to
interrogation ? Which were the agencies
that interrogated him ? May I know whether
before interrogation, medical advice was
taken on the question whether Shri Charu
Majumdar’s health wo Jd permit him to be
able to bear the strain of interrogation ?
Lastly, may I know whether his wife and
daughter made any complaint about his
death to the police.

SHRI K C. PANT : I have already
ir.d cnted that he was taken to Calcutta
pol'ce headquarters. As regards the question
how many hours he spent there and how
many hours he spent in the police lock-up,
I do not know how material it is to what
we are discussing now. I do not know the
purpose of the question in regard to the

time spent in either place.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon.
Minister has said that he does not know the
purpose of the question ..

SHRI K. C. PANT : An attempt is
being made to raise suspicion over a matter
on which factually there is no ground for
suspicion.

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Suspicion is
already there.

SHRI K. C. PANT : Some people are
congenitally suspicious.

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Because the
entire Government’s functioning ma.ves us
suspicious. Their conduct makes us sus-
picious.

SHRI K. C. PANT : The material
point is whether he had adequate medical
aid, and whether he was being looked after
by doctors. I have been told that besides
periodical examinations by heart specialists,
he was also being examined by the police
doctor. Somebody had asked for the name
of the heart specialist who attended on him.
Dr, Chandtkar is his name, and as regards
the hospital, I havea Iready mentioned that
it is the SSKM hospital. Apart from that,
Shri Charu Mazumdar was also being exami-
ned by the police doctor. Therefore, that is
the material point. Therefore, there is no
question of his not having been under
medical care. He was a heart patient. That
is the information. He was a chronic heart
patient. Therefore, the police doctors did
take the precaution of examining him
frequently. So, why should there be objec-
tion to that ?

So far as his wife and daughter are
concerred, 1 did indicate in my reply that
his w;fe and daughter met him. As far as
my knowledge goes, they have not made
any complaint, that is, the West Bengal
Government have not communicated any
complaint by them to me.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : May I make
a submission to you ? I had asked a question
whether the hon. Minister had any informa-
tion on the point regarding the number of
hours for which he was subjected to interro-

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Written Answers 42

gation, and whether before interrogation,
medical advice was taken about whether he
would be able to bear the strain of the
interrogation/ If the hon. Minister has got
the information, he may tell us, or else he
can supply it at a later date. He has not
replied to this very relevent question.

SHRl K. C. PANT : I do not know
what the doctor told the people there after
each examination. The very fact that he
was under examination by a heart specialist
and that he was also being examined thrice
daily by the police doctor obviously shows
how much care the Government there was
taking to see that he was given proper
medical care. That is the point.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY I
want a confirmation from Government ..

MR. SPEAKER No confirmation,
only a question.

SHRl M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : Has
any leader from Kashmir, including Sheikh
Abdullah, died in our custody ? (Inter-
ruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: l have already allo-
wed too many questions on this. I am
passing on to the next item.

SHRl PILOO MODY : I have asked
only one question this whole session.

MR. SPEAKER : Yes.

SHRl PILOO MODY : I do not
understand this questioning and answering
procedure which tries to evade the relevant
point. It has been admitted by the Minister
that Shri Mazumdar was an ill man, suffer-
ing from a very chronic disease called cardiac
asthma. Under the circumstances, it was
asked of the Minister how many hours of
police grilling and interrogation did he have.
This is very material to find out, because in
spite of the fact that thev knew his medical
condition, he was being interrogated not
only bV Ministers but by policemen. And
what methods were used, nobody knows. The
Minister ask*, how is it relevant to the
question ? This is the only relevant thing
whether they killed him by interrogation
(Interruption),

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. No such
remarks should be made.

SHRI K.C. PANT : I have never said
whether it was relevant or not. I had only
given the relevant facts in answer to the
question about interrogation. My informa-
tion is that the interrogation was being
carried out only in brief spells because of
his weak and poor health. Thrice a day
doctors were seeing him. There was a heart
specialist who was attending on him when-
ever required. Therefore, the presumption is
that all those people must have taken the
precaution. I do not exactly know what the
specialist said; nor do I know exactly what
the doctors said. The facts speak for them-
selves. This is the submission I make.

SHRI R. V. BADE : As soon as Shri
Mazumdar wasjarrested by the police, he
must have been produced before the Magis-
trate and the Magistrate must have remanded
him to police or judicial custody. Was he
examined at that very time by the judiciary
or the Magistra e ?

SHRI K.C. PANT : Being a lawyer, my
hon friend knows the piocedure. So he
knows that he was remanded to police
custody.

SHRI R.V. BADE : He must have been
examined by the Magistrate.

SHRI K. C. PANT : Yes. The Magistrate
did remand him. He knows the procedure.
I had said in the blginning — he would have
known if he had listened to me carefully —
that on being remanded to police custody,
he continued to be under constant medical
attention and treatment, as advised by the
heart specialist.

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Supply of Tin Plates to Tin Can
Manufacturing Units

*249. SHRIK. SURY \NARAYANA:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be p'eased to state :

(a) the names of firms which have
been granted C. O. B. licences for fabri-
cating Tin containers for captive use with
a manufacturing capacity of 1000 tonnes
per annum and above during the current
year (upto 30th June, 1972) ; and

(b) whether any guidelines have been
down for the supply of tin plates to these
tin can-manufacturing units ?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) ■ (a) During the current
year (up to 30th June, 1972) only two
C.O.B. (Carry on Business) licences for
the fabrication of tin containers we’t issued
to the Vanaspati Manufactuiers for their
captive use. The names of the firms are
as under : —

(0 M/s. Premier Vegetable Products
Lid , Jaipur.

(ii) M/s. Bhavnagar Vegetable Pro-
ducts Limited, Bhavnagar (Gujarat).

(b) No guidelines have been laid down
by Government for the supply of Tinplates
to different units. The distribution of
Tinplates is looked after by the Tinplate
Producers* Consultative Committee.

Reconvening of Geneva Type
Conference on Vietnam

*252. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the British Government
one of the Co-Chairmen of the Geneva
Conference on Vietnam, recently suggested
the reconvening of the Geneva type con-
ference m f

(b) the reaction of the Soviet Union
the other Co-Chairmen of the Geneva
Conference in regard to the British
suggestion; and

(c) the reaction of Government to the
British suggestion and whether there have
been initiatives fiom India for solving the
Vietnam problem ?

THF MINISTER OF EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) to
(c). According to the information revealed
in the House of Commons, the British
Government had made such a proposal to the
Soviet Union but the Soviet Union reportedly
did not agree with it. This is a matter
between the two Co-Chairmen and the
Government of India feels that there should
be agreement between them and Geneva
Conference members before any progress
can be made. Also it is Government of
India’s view that fighting must stop in
Vietnam first and a ceasefire arranged
before any such conference could be held.

German Technicians in Rourkcla
Steel Plant

*253. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOH-
APATRA : Will the Mimsier of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state the time
by which the German technicians working
in Rourkela Steel Plant are expected to
leave the Plant ?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) : There are at pressent 10
German technicians at Rourkela Steel Plant.
The contracts of these Un individuals will
expire during the period September, 1972 —

January 1973.

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«ftt wr srfafatrr $ ?

47 Written Answers

AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 45

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1970

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Industrial Accidents

*256. SHRI FATE SINGH RAO
GAEKWAD:

DR. KARNl SINGH:

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether the incidence of industrial
accidents in the country has of late risen
considerably;

(b) if so, the total number of industrial
mishaps during the last three years and how
many of them proved fatal;

result of industrial accidents during the
above period; and

(d) the steps proposed to be taken to
improve the safety regulations ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L-
KAR): (a) lo (c). A statement is laid on the
Table of the Sabha. The information regar-
ding total loss in terms of money is not
available.

(d) The Safety requirements laid down
in the State Factories Rules framed under
the Factories Act, 1948 and Regulations
framed under the Mines Act, 1952 are cons-
tantly reviewed, enlarged and improved upon
wherever considered nccessarry.

49 Written Answeri

SRAVANA 26, 1894 ( SAKA )

Written Answers SO

Statement

No. of accidents and man-days lost in factories covered by the Factories Act, 1948

Year

Fatal

Non-fatal

Total

No. of man-days lost
on account of non-fatal
accidents

1968

565

2,26,893

2,27,458

25,90,854

1969

618

2,61,997

2,62,615

29,87,587

1970

(Pro-

visional)

609

2,87,496

2,88,105

28,94,914

No. of accidents and man-days lost in mines covered by the Mines Act, 1952

No. of accidents

No. of

persons

Man days lost on account

Fatal

Serious

Killed

Seriously

injured

of Serious Injuries
Estimated

1969

Coal

211

1,650

232

1,717

97,869

Non-coal

861

886

49,616

1970

Coal

194

1,577

212

1,625

68,250

Non-coal

786

799

42,347

1971

Coal

199

1,451

231

1,535

79,820

Non-coal

7S9

813

39,837

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51 Written Answers

AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 52

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Stoppage of Steel quota for

Agriculture Ministry

•258. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR :

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether his Ministry K as stopped th^
steel quota of the Agncirtture Ministry for
the last one year which was being supplied
for the la&t 25 years ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM)- (a) The system of allocation
of “quotas” was given up when the Steel
Distribution policy was revised in May 1970.
All despatches from the Main Producers are
now regulated in accordance with the
Priority allocations decided every quarter
by the Steel Priority Committee. The Prio-
rity requisitions sponsored by the Agricul-
ture Ministry are also given due considera-
tion by the Steel Priority Committee.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

I.L.O. Programme of Research

•259.SHRI K.BALADHANDAYUTHAM:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the International Labour
Conference has finalised a programme of
research and action to help developing
countries choose technologies offering the
best possibilities of balanced economic,
social and technical progress ;

(b) whether any such research and action
programme is to be taken up in India by
International Labour Organisation; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. K.HADIL-
KAR) : (a) to (c). No such programme
has been finalised by the International
Labour Conference. It, however, parsed a
Resolution at its 57th Session (June 1972)
layingNdown guide-lines for dealing with
labour and social implications of automa-
tion and other technological developments
and requesting the Director General of the
I L O . inter alia , to provide the developing
countries at their request with suitable
technical and research assistance to ensure
positive results of the introduction of tach-
nolog. cal innovation The Resolution has
not been formally received by the Govern-
ment of Ind a nor has it been examined yet
b' the Government

Workers Problems regarding settlement of
claims and grant of Loans

•260 SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the poor workers and
subscribers are faced with the problem of
settlement of claim or grant of loans be-
cause of the ignorance regarding the proce-
dure to fill in the forms;

(b) whether the desirability of getting
printed long hand — bills in the form of
notices regarding the procedure of getting
claims settled or loans granted and paste
them on the walls of the factories and
mines remotely situated as other notes are
pasted by the other departments under the
Mines Act and the Factories Act has been
considered; and

S3 ) Written Answers

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAJCA)

Written Answers 54

Conimissioners to meet the workers every-
day 'at a fixed time and hear their grievan-
ces like some Regional Commissioners who
have already started doing this ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : The Provident Fund Authorities
have reported as under : —

(a) No such complaint has been received
in this behalf.

(b) Various forms including those for
settlement of Provident Fund claims, grant
of loans are, as a rule, printed bilingually
in English and in the Regional language.
It is therefore, not considered necessary to
get long hand-bills printed in the form of
notices and pasted on the walls of establish-
ments.

(c) Regional Commissioners generally meet
workers and others who seek interview
with them in connection with the Provident
Fund affairs and take suitable action on
their complaints. It does not appear necess-
ary to issue separate orders in this behalf.

Indo-Bangladesh consultations

2380. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : Will
Jhe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
have high level consultations with Bangla-
desh on issues involving the three nations
of the sub-continent, and

(b) if so, by what time a decision on
the matter is likely to* be taken ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and
(b). Government is in constant touch with
the Government of Bangladesh on issues
common to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Chief Engineer of a Public Under-
taking in Rajasthan caught Red-
Handed

2381*. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR
SINGH :

SHRI HARI SINGH :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Bureau of
Investigation have recently caught red han-
ded a Chief Engineer of a Public Underta-
king in Rajasthan for allegedly accepting
a Graft of Rs. 5000/— from a Calcutta firm
in a posh hotel of New Delhi;

(b) if so, the names and other details
of the persons taking and giving graft and
the firms to which these persons belonged;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b).
Yes, Sir. The Central Bureau of Investiga-
tion received a complaint from a represent-
ative of M/s Damodar Enterprises Ltd.,
Calcutta alleging that Shri Jacob C. Korah,
Chief Engineer (Civil), Khe*ri Copper
Project, was demanding a sum of Rs.5000 /-
for having shown favours in restoring the
contract as well as for acceptance of future
supplies to be made by the firm without
any objection. Accordingly, the C. B, I.
laid a trap and caught the official concerned
red handed while accepting the bribe from
the complainant at Akbar Hotel, New Delhi
on 16.6.72.

(c) The case is under investigation by
the Central Bureau of Investigation and
appropriate action will be taken on receipt
of their report.

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 56

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SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 55

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 60

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Survey for Semi-Precious Stones
in Trivandrum *

2386. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware
that in aU over Trivandrum District there
are reported occurence of Semi-Precious
stones and Private parties are working round
the clock to extract them for the last five
years;

(b) whether any investigation has been
mgde jon this by the Geological Survey of
India; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). The
sporadic occurrences of semi-precious stone
namely chrysoberyl in parts of Nedumangad
taluk in Trivandrum disrict have been
known to Government. Government of
Kerala are aware of attempts of illicit
mining of previous stones in the area and
have also taken action against persons
engaged in illicit mining.

(tO and (cL Investigation for gem
quality chrysoberyl was taken up by Geolo-
gical Survey of India in parts Quilon and

Trivandrum districts during the field seasons
1962-63, 1964-65 and 1969-70. The investi-
gation has revealed that the chrysoberyl.
appears to be accessory mineral in the
pegmatites traversing the chrystalline rock
and as detrital mineral in pebble beds and
gravels. These investigations indicate that
large scale exploitation of these stones in
the area may not be economically viable.

Defective functioning of Kerala Circle
of geological Survey of India

2387. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to stale :

(a, whether Government have received
any representation regarding the defective
functioning of the Kerala Circle of the
Geological Survey of India; and

(b) if so, the steps taken to streamline
the administrative set up of this institution
in Kerala ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). Yes,
Sir. A representation has been received
recently.

(b) The matter is under examination.

Bihari and Non-Bihari feelings among
workers of Hindustan Copper
Limited

2388. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the officers of Hindustan
Copper Limited at Mohubhandar, Ghat-
sila, Bihar are indulging in local politics
and creating the feelings of Bihari and
non -Bihari amongst the workers ; and

(b) if so, the action Government propose
to take in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). No
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

4l Written Answers SR AVAN A 2 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answer* 62

Mining of Bauxite at Nileshwar (Kerala)

2389. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN KAD-
ANNAPPALLI: Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state the stage
at which the investigation of mining Bauxite
at Nileshwar in Cannanore District, Kerala
State stands now 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): Exploration for
bauxite in 4 blocks at Nileswar in Cinna-
nore district of Kerala is in progress since
October, 1970. Probable reserves of 1.76
million tonnes of Bauxite with 40 to 60%
alumina content has tentatively been estimat-
ed in Block I where detailed drilling has
been completed. Pitting for confirmation of
drilling date is in progress. Detailed invest-
gation by drilling in Block II is in p ogress
and Bauxite horizon up to 6 35 metres thick-
ness has been intersected in 23 boreholes.
Preliminary test drilling in Blocks III and
IV has been competed and follow up
work is in progress

Mercury deposits in Kerala

2390. SHRI RAM\CHANDRAN
KAD NNNAPALLJI . Will the Minister of
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have received
the report of the Geological Survey of India
regarding the investigation of the mercury
dpeosits in Badagara in Kerala; and

(b) if so, the stage at which the investi-
gation is progressing ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHANAWAZ KHAN) : a) and (b). Pre-
liminary investigation by Geological Survey
of India for mercury near Badagara has been
completed. The investigation has not reveal-
ed the presence of any promising zone in
this area. The Report is under preparation.

-Unemployed Automobile Engineering
Diploma Holders

2391. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: Will
the M nister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state:

(a) the number of unemployed Automo-
bile Engineering Diploma holders on the
live register of Employment Exchanges rn
the country during the last three years, year-
wise;

(b) the number of such unemp'oyed
engineers in Delhi; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR): (a) and (b) The number of diploma
holders in automobile engineering on the
Live Register as at the end of each year is
given below:

Year

All-India

Delhi

1969

524

1970

625

1971

716

(c) In addition to the large number of
employment opportunities generated as a
lesultof implementation of various develop-
ment programmes included in the Fourth
Five Year Plan, increasing number of job
opportunities are expected to be created by
the Special Employment Oriented Schemes
and Programmes taken up since the year
1970-71 including programmes for the bene-
fit of educated persons initiated during the
year 1971-72.

In the Union Budget for 1972-73 an
aggregate provision of Rs. 125 crores has
been made for Special Welfare Schemes.
This amount includes a sum of Rs. 60 crores
for Special Employment Programmes which
woul$i be for the continuation of the various
emp’oyment programmes taken up in 1971-72
and for organising new programmes both in
rura' and urban areas. These schemes will
benefit the unemployed including the auto-
mobt'e engineers in the country as well as
in the Union Territory of Delhi.

Contract of expension of Coke Ovens
at Rourkela Steel Plant

2392. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI:

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleaded to state :

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(a) whether the expansion of half battery
of coke ovnes at Rourkela Steel Plant has
been given on contract to a foreign firm, be-
cause the Central Design Bureau, has failed
to undertake the job;

(b) if so, the total amount of the whole
contract and the foreign exchange involved;
and

(c) the amount as penalty the Hindu-
stan Steel Limited propose to impose on the
contractor, if they fail to complete the
construction of the coke oven within the
stipulated time ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Letter
of intent for construction of an additional
half Coke Oven Battery at Rourkela Steel
Plant has been issued in favour of M/s.Otto
India Private Ltd. The question of Central
Engineering and Design Bureau failing to
undertake this job does not arise as it is
not intended for undertaking construction
jobs.

(b) According to the final quotation, the
total contract value is Rs. 4.222 crores,
including a foreign exchange component of
Rs. 1.307 crores. Negotiations are still
going on in regard to specifications of the
fire bricks to be used. The result of these
may affect the value of the contract.

(c) M/s. Otto India Private Ltd., have
accepted Hindustan Steel Limited’s general
condition of contract regarding penalty for
late delivery, which prescribes liquidated
damages of 1% of the contract value for
each completed month of delay, subject to
a maximum of 3% of thee on tract value. The
party is also required to pay penalties fox
non fulfilment of performance guarantees
subject to a ceiling of 3% of the total
contract value. However, the overall ceiling
on penalities for shortfall in performance
guarantees and liquidated damages due to
failure to complete the work in time, will
be 5% of the total contract value.

Implementation of Coal Wage Board
recommendations by Coal Mine
Owners in Assam, Nagaland
and Meghalaya

2394. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the Coal mine owners
of Assam, Nagaland and Meghalaya who
have not yet implemented the Coal Wage
Board Award; and

(b) the steps taken against them ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRT R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) The names of the Coal mines
and the owners are as below : —

SI. No.

1 .

2 .

6 .

8 .

Colliery

Name of owner

Tipong Colliery

M/s. Assam Railways & Trading Co. Ltd.,
Assam.

Ledo Colliery

— do —

Bargalai Colliery

— do —

Dilli Colliery

M/s. Dilli Collieries (Assam) Ltd.

Koilajan Colliery

M/s. Koilajan Collieries Ltd., Assam.

Jeypore Colliery

Jeypore Collieries (P) Ltd., Assam.

Thanjinath Colliery

Shri Ramanand Shah, P.O. Lebang, Shillong.

Shilwata Colliery

Shri H.P. Dutta, Dipali House, Shillong.

(b) The recommendations are not enfor- mentation of the Wage Board recommenda-
ceable statutorily and implementation is tions by collieries of M/s. Assam Railways
secured largely through persuasion and and Trading Co. Ltd., Assam has been
advice. A disputes relating to noo-imple- referred for adjudication.

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Written Answer 66

Survey of underground Minerals in States

2395. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state :

(a) whether any survey of underground
minerals has been conducted in Assam,
Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, Tripura
and Union Territories of Mizoram and
Arunachal;

(b) if so, the particulars thereof, mineral-
wise and State-wise and Union Territory-
wise; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). A
statement is laid on the Table of the House.

(c) In Assam, coal and oil aie being
exploited and a cement factory is being set
up at Bokajan. In Meghalaya, limestone for
cement plant at Chcrrapunji and silhmamte
in Sonapahar arc being exploited Limestone
investigations are being carried out by the
Geological Survey of India for the proposed
cement plant in Manipur. Government of
Tripura are considering to establish small
scale glass factory and ceiamic factory in
the State.

Statement

As a result of investigations carried out
by the Geological Survey of India in Assam,
Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, Tnpuia
and Union Territories of Mizoram and
Aiunachal, the minerals located in these
States and Union Territories are given
below : — '

Assam

Coal. Investigations have recorded coal
at Koilajan (0.6 million tonnes) in United
North Cachar and Mikii Hills district, at
Delli-Jeypore (20 million tonnes) and at
Makum (191 million tonnes) in the districts
of Lakhimpur and Sibsagar.

Clay. Deposits of clay have been located in

Mikir Hills and the reserves have been
estimated in the order of 6 million tonnes.

Iron Ore. Estimated reseves of iron ore
aie of the order of 50 million tonnes jn
Goalpara district.

Limestone. Sizable deposits of lime-
stone have been located at Koilajan,Garam-
pam, Mcyang Disa, Jorapgaon end Bar
Harigaon in United Mikir and North Cachar
Hills district and along the boundary zone
between Sibsagar and Nowgonj districts.

Lepidohte Minor occurrence of lepido-
lite reported from Goalpara district.

Petroleum . Important oilfields are at
Digboi, Naharkatiya and Moran in Lakhim-
pur district.

Meghalaya

Coal . The reserves of coal estimated
are of the order of 422 Million tonnes in
Garo Hills and 67 million tonnes in Khasi
and Jaintia Hills.

Clay. About 100 million tonnes of days
have been estimated in Garo Hills and
about 20 million tonnes in Khasi-Jamtia
Hills

Copper-lead-zinc. Geological and geo-
physical work carried out in the Aumpyrtha
area in United Khasi and Jaintia Hills
district have revealed a small zone of copper-
lead-zinc mineralisation of uneconomic
dimensions.

Limestone. Fx tensive deposits of good
quality limestone have been located near
Therriaghat-Shclla, Cherrapunji and at
Nongkhalih in United Khasi and Jaintia
Hills district.

Sillimanite : Sillimanite is being exploited
from Sonapahar deposit.

Glass sand and occurrences of phospha-
tic nodules have also been located in Khasi
Hills.

Manipur

Limestone. Deposits of limestone have
been located near Ukhrul, Hungdung,

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Lambert and at places in Teagnoupal subdi-
vision, Tfte total reserves of limestone
occurring at these places have been estimated
at about 3 million tonnes. Detailed investi-
gation for limestone is being continued in
Manipur.

Occurances of lignite in Jiribum sub*
division, clays associated with lignite and
salt spring in Thoubal sub-division, nickel
and chromite in Moreh have been investi-
gated. So far the results are not encouraging.

Nagaland

Coal. The reserves of coal estimated in
Naga Hills are of the order of 55 million
tonnes.

Tripura

Clay and glass sand. The principal
minerals deposits of Tripura are clays and
glass sand, the estimated reserves of which
are of the order of 54.000 tonnes and 310,000
tonnes respectively.

Minor uneconom'c occurrences of lignite
and a number of gas seepages were aho
located.

Arunachal Pradesh

Coal. About 91 million tonnes of coal
have been estimated in Namchik-Namphuk
coalfield in Tirap district. Coal has also
been located in parts of Siang and ICameng
districts.

Limestone . Reserves of limestone esti-
mated at Tiding are of the order of 50
million tonnes.

Investigations have also located occur-
rences of clays in Lohit district, Marble in
Siang district, and lignite in Subansiri
district, graphite in Lihit district, copper,
lead and oil seepages in Tirap frontier and
iron ore and mica in Subansiri district.

Mizoram

Geological mapping aud preliminary
mineral investigation are being carried out
in parts of Mizoram.

Godowns of Hindustan Steel Limited
in Assam

2396. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state :

(a) the names of the godowns, if any,
of the Hindustan Steel Limited in Assam;
and

(b) the names of the appointed agents,
if any, of the Hindustan Steel Limited, to
sell its products in Assam ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Hindu-
stan Steel Limited have a Branch Sales
Office-cum-Stockyard in Gauhati.

(b) Hindustan Steel Limited have not
appointed any agents to sell their products.
The materials received in their stockyard at
Gauhati are sold by them directly.

Indo-Israeli Relations

2397. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Mmistei of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have taken
any decision regarding the establishment of
diplomatic relations with Israel; and

(b) if not, whether there is any possi-
bility of establishment of diplomatic
relations with Israel tn the near future ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PaL SINGH) : (a)
and (b). While Government of India ex-
tended de jure recognition to Israel in
September, 1952, no proposal is under
Government’s consideration for establishing
diplomatic relations.

Advertisement for recruitment of Indian
Doctors for Nigeria

2398. SHJU CHANDRA SHEKHAR
SINGH : Will the Minister of 'EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Mid-Western State
Hospital Management Board of Nigeria had

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Written Answers 70

advertised for recruitment of Indian doctors
In this country’s Newspaper on 25th May,
19/2;

(b) if so, the number of Indian doctors
selected by them, and whether approval of
his Ministry was made in this regard and
whether permission for recruitment of Indian
doctors was taken by the Nigerian Hospital
Authorities;

(c) if so, whether the exodus of Indian
doctors in this manner in large numbers is
being encouraged by Government and const i
tutes another bad example of “brain drain”
and

(d) the steps Government propose to
stop this type of “brain drain” by foreign
hospitals in India ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHR1 SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)
Yes Sir.

(b) The number of doctors, if an>,
if any, selected is not known as the recruit-
ment was being made directly by the
Nigerian authorities. The Government of
India’s permission was not sought.

(c) Government does not encourage a
large scale exodus of Indian doctors. How-
ever, it is the Government of India’s policy
to assist fellow developing countries to the
extent possible by making available the
services of Indian experts m various fields,
including medicine. This is m accordance
with the basic tenets of cooperation among
developing countries to which the Govern-
ment of India subscribes. In this instance
it seems that similar advertisements for the
recruitment of doctors appeared simultane-
ously in India, United Kingdom, Canada
and, perhaps, also other countries. The
State Hopsital Management Board, Benin
City, have apparently not finalised their
selection and no Indian doctor has been
recruited so far. Nevertheless, it may be
noted that under this scheme, doctors will
serve, for a limited period on a contract at
the expiry of which they would naturally be
expected to return to India.

(d) The Government of India encour-
ages foreign governments to recruit their

requirements through the good offices of
the Government of India with the help of
the administrative appratus devised for this
purpose. This helps to keep a check on
the outflow of our expertise while at the
same time ensuring the Goverrment’s inte-
rest in cooperating with the foreign govern-
ment concerned by rendering assistance.

Role of United Nations Military
Observers 1 group In J & K

2399. SHRI S. A. MURUGA-

NANTHAM :

SHRI B. V. NAIK :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the United Nations
Military Observers’ Group in Jammu and
Kashmir has cea ed to have any functional
role since the f949 ceasefire line no longer
exists;

(b) whether under the Simla Agree-
ment the responsibility of maintaining peace
along the' line of control of 1971 has been
assumed by India and Pakistan; and

(c) whether in the context of these
developments. Government would demand
the winding up of the United Nations
Military Observers’ Group in Jammu and
Kashmir ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER JN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) Under paragraph 4(ii) of the Simla
Agreement, India and Pakistan have bilate-
rally agreed to respect the line of control
in Jammu and Kashmir which came into
effect on 17th December, 1971, not to alter
it unilaterally, and to refrain from the
threat or the use of force in violation
of it,

(c) Govcrtment have made the position
clear. It is for the U.N. to decide whether
the U.N. observers should be removed from
the aiea.

Briefing of Journalists at Simla

2400. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH :

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Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Secretary, Ministry of
External Affairs, mvitei selected journalists
for a d nner briefing at Simla during the
Summit;

fb) whether journalists of some impor-
tant regional and language papers were left
out; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) and (c). It was consrdered desirable
that the Foreign Secretary should give some
background information only to some selec-
ted senior Indian journalists and columnists
the evening before President Bhutto's arrival
in Simla. For such a selected briefing
usually all national newspapers, all national
news agencies, and some representative and
important regional and language papers are
invited. This was done in the present case
also. Naturallv, not all the regional and
language papers who had representatives
covering the Simla Summit could be asked
because of the numbers involved Such
briefings are always informal and arranged
at the last moment. No separate offuial
list was prepared of the names of journalists.
All the journalists asked and all those
excluded cannot at this stage be recalled for
the reason that no lists were maintained.

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Compensation to be paid By pakistan
in respect of Investment on
Railway lines in Occupied
Territory

2402 .SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to slate :

(a y whether there was any discussion
with the Pakistan President during the
Summit talks in Simla for compensation to
be paid to India for such investment on
Railway lines made by India in the occup-
ied territories which were to be returned
to Pakistan as a result of the agreement;
and

(b) if so, the outcome of the discuss-
ion >

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Indo-Pak Relations with regard to
trade, commerce and Air Services

2403. SHRI R. S. PANDEY :

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY ;

Will the Minster of EXTERNAL AFF-
AIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether some steps have been taken
so far after the signing of the Indo— Paki-
stan agreement at Simla recently to norma-
lise relations with ragard to trade, comm-
erce and air services between the two
countries;

(b) if so, the main features thereof;

and

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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRl SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to
(c) These and other normalisation measures
will be taken up when the delegations of
the two sides meet. The date of such a
meeting has not yet been fixed.

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Reduction in DA of Engineering
Workers in West Bengal

2405, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU
SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA :

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Engineering industry
in West Bengal has recently reduced tlie
amont of Dearness Allowance to be paid
to the Engineering workers;

(b) if so. the extent of this cut in
respect of the workers drawing less then
Rs. 400 per month and the grounds for
this D. A. cut

(c) whether the attention of Govern-
rrient has been drawn to wide-spread resent-
ment among the Engineering workers
against this action of the employers;
and

(d) if so, the action, if any. being
taken in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL
KAR) : (a) and (b). Information is not
available;

(c) and (d). The State Government is
the “Appropriaie Government*’ in respect
of industrial delation in the Engineering
industry and it would be for them to take
action in the matter.

Discussion Regarding Amenities
to Indian POWs in Pakis.
tan at Simla

2406. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR :

SHRI VEKARIA:

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIR be pleased to state whether ques-
tion of amenities to the Indian Prisoners of
War was also taken up during the Simla
Summit ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OE EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : while
the question of amenities to Indian Prisoners
of War was not raised during the Summit
talks t at Simla, Government have constantly
pursued this matter through the Interna-
tional Committee of the Red cross which
performs the humanitarian functions under
the Geneva Conventions relating to pri-
soners of war.

Purchase of Ammonium Sulphate
at High Price

2407. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased to
state :

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(a) whether last yetr purchases of
Ammonium Sulphate weft made at very
high prices causing loss to the Government
to the tune of several lakhs of rupees;

(b) whether the European suppliers
sold Ammonium Sulphate to the Middle-
Eastern countries at a price which was
much lower than the price at which they
sold to India and if so, the reasons therefor;
and

(c) the price paid by India and that
paid by the Middle Eastern countries and
whether Government have made any investi-
gation into this matter and fixed the responsi-
bility for the loss caused to the Nation ?

THE M1N1STFR OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D. R. CHAVAN) : (a). The prices of ferti-
lisers fluctuate from time to time depending
upon the availability and 'the compelling
demands at a particular point of time
Ammonium Sulphate was purchased last
year at the prices prevailing at that time
after negotiations.

(b) and (c). The price paid by India
varied from $ 13 25 to $ 14.80 per Metnc
Tonne f o. b. for the purchases made
during the period from August 1971 to
December 1971. No official confirmation
fa .available regarding the actual price
ftportedly paid earlier that year hy a Middle
Eastern Country,

Resumption of Telephone and
Postal Facilities with
Pakistan under Simla
Agreement

2408 SHRI M. S SANJEFVI RAO :
SHRI E. V. V1KHE PAT1L :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the arrangements have been
flnallised to resume the telephone and
postal facilities envisaged under the Simla
Agreement!

(b) if so, the nature thereof; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to

(c). The arrangements will be worked out
when delegations of the two countries
meet, as envisaged in the Simla Agreement,
A date for this meeting has not yet been
fixed.

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Loss incurred hy Gujarat Mineral
Development Corporation

2410 * SHRI PRABIM DAS PATEL :
will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Gujarat Mineral Develoment
Corpoiation incurred a Joss of Rs. 13,
76,000 during 1970-71 as against Rs. 44,82,000
during the previous year;

(b) if so the reasons theicfor, and

(c) whether the Corporation h?d to
revise the cost of the beneficiator plant from
Rs . 2.1 crorcs in 1966 to Rs, 4.8 crores in
1969 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) to (c). The
information is being collected from the
Government of the Gujarat as the Corpora-
tion is a State Government Undertaking and
will be laid on the Table of the House when
iceeived.

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Ratification of siula Agreement
By Pakistan

2411. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:

SHRI M S. SIVASAMY :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF-
AIRS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government had received
on the 18th July, 1972 some papers of rati-
fication from Pakistan of the simla Agree-
ment through Swiss Ambassador; and

(b) if so, the nature thereof and the
reaction of the Government thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and
(b). On 18th July 1972 Government received
through the Swiss Ambassador in New
Delhi, Pakistan’s Instrument of Ratification
of the Simla Agreement.

India’s Instrument of Ratification, duly
signed by the President, was forwarded,
to the Government of Pakistan through
Swiss diplomatic channels on August 4, 1972.

State Government Response to National
Arbitration Promotion Board’s
Proposal on Arbitration

2412. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the
Minister of 1ABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the State Governments have
examined the proposal of National Arbitra-
tion Board to resolve Industrial Disputes
throdgh arbitration; and

(b) if so, the response from the States ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADI-
LKAR) : (a) and (b). The proceedings of the
fifth meeting of the National Arbitration
Promotion Board containing conclusions of
the meeting, including the proposal to reso-
lve iudustrial disputes through arbitration,
were circulated to the State Gonernments
and Union Territory Administrations on
July 25, 1972 for their information and
necessary action. None of the State Govern-
ments/Union Territory Administrations has
so far conveyed its decision in the matter.

Indus water for Kutch

2415. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPU-
RKAR : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to stase :

(a) whether there has been talks
between the Prime Minister of India and
the President of Pakistan regarding the
question of making available part of the
Indus waters to Kutch; and

(b) if so, the nature threof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No.
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Expansion of Private Sector Alumi-
nium Plants

2416. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the private sector alumini-
um plants have asked for permission to
expand their production;

(b) if so, the particulars of the expan-
sion programme submitted by private
sector aluminium plants; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c). No
new application for permission to expand
their existing capacity for production of
aluminium has been received from the
private sector companies. However, the
letter of intent issued to the Indian Alumi-
nium Company in December, 1966 for
expansion of their Belgaum Smelter from
40,000 to 60,000 tonnes per annum may be
converted into a regular industrial licence.

Ko>na Aluminium Project

2417. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be plea-
sed to state :

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(a) whether the KtJiyna Aluminuim
Project is likely to run into hea\y losses
when it reaches full production because of
bad planning and high cost of transporting

'raw materials from long distance;

(b) whether expert* have suggested
that it would be more economical to delay
the project and to change its present locat-
ion rather than continue the plans and
incur recumrg heavy losses every year; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) No,
Sir.

(b) and (c). The report of the Commi-
tree set up for examination of the transpor-
tation problems of the project is awaited.

Projected demand for Aluminium

2418. DR. RANEN SEN : W.1J the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be plea-
sed to state ;

(a) the projected demand for rlupiimm
in the next five years; and

(b) how Government propose to meet
this demand ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The
estimated demand for Aluminium during
the next five years is given below : —

Year

Estimated demand
in thousand tonnes

1973-74

274

1974-75

301

1975-76

332

1976-77

365

1977-78

401

(b) The present capacity for production
of aluminium in the country in 178,850
tonnes per annum. Additional capacity to
the extent of 251,000 tonnes per annum
has been licensed/approved which will,

when installed, be sufficient to meet the
above demand.

Participation of Labour in Manage*
ment for Raising Production

2419. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleasedto state .

(a) whether participation of labour in
management has been accepted as one of
the formost reasons for raising the produ-
ctions in the country;

(b) if so, wl ether such recommenda-
tions have been sent to all the Ministries
under Central Government and the State
Governments, and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K K1IADIL-
KAR) : (a) to (c). Apart from the statutory
woiks committee, the scheme of Joint
Management Councils has been in opera-
t’on on a voluntary basis both in public
and private sector undertakings The Central
Government have also decided to introduce
a scheme for the appointment of a workers
representative on the Boards of Manage-
ment of seme appropriate public sector
underfak ngs. The Nationalised Banks
(Management and Miscellaneous Provission)
Scheme, 1970 framed under the Banking
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer of
Undertakings) Act, 1970 inter-alia , provides
for the appointment of ore Di lector from
among the employees of the Nationalised
Bank who are workmen on the Board of
Directors. A scheme for the workers to
hold some shares in suitable central public
sector undertaking is also undei consider-
tion of the Government. The State Govern-
ments and Ministries are aware of these
schemes.

National Council of Trade Unions
on Industrial Relations

2420. SHRI GIR1DHAR GOMANGO:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to stale.

(a) whether the National Council of
Central Trade Unions, consisting three

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Central Trade Unions bodies were studying
areas of cooperation; and

(b) if so, whether they have submitted
their views on the Ministry of Labour and
Rehabilitation’s scheme to the Industrial
Relations Law to be introduced in the
present session 7

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA-
DILfCAR) : (a). The National Council of
Trade Unions has been formed with the
main object of promoting understanding,
cooperation and coordination in the activi-
ties of trade unions;

(b) The views expressed by Trade
Union Centres and others will be taken in-
to account in framing a Law on industrial
relations, which is expected to be intro-
duced in the next Session of Parliament.

Indo-South Korean Talks Regarding
Reunification of Korea

2421. SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE :
SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleas d to state .

(a) whether the Consul-General of
South Korea in New Delhi had recently
held talks with the officials of his Ministry;

(b) whether the Consul-General had
lasied the issue of Korean reunification and
the talks held between the representatives
of the Korea in this respect; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) ; (a).
No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Use of Toxic Chemicals By U. S. A.
in Vietnam

2422. SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE:

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH .

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF-
AIRS be pleased to state;

(a) whether toxic chemicals are being
used by American Forces in South Vietnam
in the war against the National Liberation
Forces;

(b) whether this fact has been brought
to the notice of the United Nations and the
member countries by the International Cont-
rol Commission for Vietnam; and

(c) if so, what action is being taken by
the United Nations to put a stope to use
of poisonous chemicals by the United States
in Vietnam ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Gove-
rnment have seen reports about the use of
chemical weapons by the USA in Vietnam.

(b) No, Sir, The International Control
Commission does not come under the U. N.

Employees State Insurance Hospitals
In Tamil Nadu

2123. SHRI S. A. MURUGANA-
NTHAM, Will the Minister of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be pleased
to state :

(a) the number of Employees’ State Ins-
urance Hospitals in Tamil Nadu at present;

(b) how many of them arc being run in
rented buildings and the total monthly rent
paid to the owners of these buildings; and

THE Ml ISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIl •
KAR) : The Employees’ State Insu ance
Corporation has furnished the following
information :

(a) There are three Employees’ State
Insurance Hospitals and five Employees*
S'ate Insurance Annexes in the State of
Tamil Nadu at present. In addition, three
Employees’ State Insurance Annexes are
under construction.

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(b) No hospital is bsing run in a rented
building and as such, there is no question
of payment of any rent.

Non-Allocation of Funds For opening
New Hospitals In Tamil Nadu
Under Employees’ State
Insurance

2424. S. A. MURUGANANTHAM: Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state.

(a) whether his attention has been drawn
to the statement made by the Tamil Nadu
Chief Minister on the 6th June, 1972 that
the Centre has not allotted any money for
opening new hospitals in the State under
the Employees State Insuranre Scheme; and

(b) if so. Government’s reaction thereto?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR): (a) No.

(b) Funds for opening new Hospitals
under the Employees’ State Insurance Sceh-
eme are made available not by the Central
Government but by the Employees 4 Stae
Insurance Corporation. The Corporation has
reported that in case of Tamil Nadu State,
the number of beds sanctioned is 1501, as
against the entitlement of 1945 beds accor-
ding to the existing yard-stick. There is,
therefore, no likelihood of construction of
new Hospitals in Tamil Nadu State in the
nxet five years.

Incidents of Strikes and Lock-Outs

2425 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state:

(a) the name of the State in which the
largest number of strikes and lock-outs
occurred during the last three years;

fb) whether the number of workers in
Bihar involved in labour agitation is the
highest; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K, KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) The largest number of strikes
and lock outs during 1969, 1970 and 1971
were reported in Maharashtra;

(b) According to available information,
this is not so;

Purchase of Non-N.etal Helmets in 1965

2426. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR ■ Will the Minister of
SUPPLY be pleased to state :

(a) whether after the purchase of non-
metal helmets m 1965, complaints were
lodged by the users about the size of the
helmets and no serious notice was taken of
these complaints;

(b) whether any investigation is contem-
plated into the matter and whether any
responsibilty will be fixed for these lapses;
and

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). Helmets
were purchased on behalf of the
Ministry of Home Affairs for the State
Governments. Complaints were made by
the State Governments to the Ministry of
Home Affairs. The lapses involved in this
case, tn so far as the DGS&D are concer-
ned, are being investigated and they would
be completed as soon as possible.

Long Term Plan for Dandakaranya
Project

2427. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to
state :

(a) Whether the Department of Rehabili-
tation propose to prepare a long term plan
for the Dandakaranya project regarding
the rehabilitation of families in the project,
and

(b) Whether any date has been fixed
for the preparation of this plan and its
presentation to parliament ?

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; THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) (a) and) (b). Pending preparation
of a master plan for the Dandakaranya
Region by the Town and Country Planning
Organisation, the programmes for resett-
lement of displaced persons and area develo-
raent in Dandakaranya are being taken
up and executed by the Dandakaranya
Development Authority according to annual
plans drawn up on the basis of availa-
bility of land and resouices.

The Town and Country planning Orga-
nisation have indicated that an outline plan
for the Dandakaranya sub-region will take
2 years in its preparation.

Norms for Haulage and Cultivation
Output of tractors in Danda-
karanya Project

2428. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of
LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be
pleased to state :

(a) Whether a suitable norm for out-
put of tractors in respect of both haulage
and cultivation with regard to the Danda-
karanya Project has been prescribed as
desired and lecommendcd by the Public
Accounts Committee;

(b) if so, the description of this norm;
and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABIL11 ATI ON (SHRI R. K.KHADIL-
KAR) (a) to (c) : On the recommendation ol
the Publie Accounts Committee in is Nine-
teenth Report, norms for output of tarac-
tors in respect of both haulage and cult-
ivation have been fixed by the Dandakaranya
Project Administration, after taking into
account the peculiar conditions of the
project area. The norms tentatively fixed
are 660 hours of woik (300 hours for agr-
icultural work and 300 hours for non-agricu-
ltural work) per tractor per year. These
norms are, however, being examined further
in consultation with the Ministry of Agr-
iculture.

Scheme of Power Tillers

2429. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will t he Minister of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether the Committee on Power
Tillers have reported that the basic consi-
deration on which the seheme of Power
Tillers was introduced has not been found
to be true; and

(b) if so. whether Government have
fixed any responsibility for this faulty
planning ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) and (b). The basic considera-
tions on which *the scheme to use Power
Tillers in Dandakarnya was formulated,
were as follows : —

(1) At that time diversified cropping
had not been introduced. Single
cropping was being practised and,
therefore, it was felt that it would
not be possible for a pair of
bullocks to plough the entire hold-
ing of about 6 acres allotted to a
settler in Dandakaranya;

(2) The bullock markets were not well
established at that time and bullocks
weie not available in sufficient
numbers;

(3) It was felt, at that time, that co-
operative farming or group farm-
ing would be practised by the
migrants. The use of Power Tillers
would have been useful in such

* farming;

Taking the experience of the
past few years, the Committee on
Power Tillers found that these pre-
mises were not holding good in
that : —

(i) With the introduction of diver-
sified cropping patterns and stagger-
ing of various agricultural opera-
tions over the session, a pair of
bullocks had been found capable of
carrying out the work on the

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normal agricultural holding of a
settler.

(ii) The P oject Administration had
been making vigouious efforts to
tap various cattle markets in the
region and it had been possible for
them to p.ocuie adequate number
of bul’ocks for the settler families
inducted each year.

(ni) While group farming was
practised in the Dandakakaranya
only in the first year of induction
of families (since individual allot-
ment was not possible by that time)
no group or cooperative farming
had, in fact, been adopted by the
settlers on a regular or long term
basis. Hence the use of Power
Tillers on group or cooperative
farming basis had 1 to be ruled
out.

Besides, the settlers in Dandaka-
ranya were not adequately mecha-
nically minded so as to be capable
of handling Power Tillers and
attending to minor repairs, etc.

It would be observed from the
above facts, that there was no fault
m planning the scheme of use of
Power Tillers in Dandakaranya. It
was only after practical experience
of a few years that the banc pre-
mises, on which the Scheme had
originally been formulated, were
found to be no longer holding
good.

Representation from firms requesting
for supply of Tin Plates

2430. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister ofSIEFLAND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether any rep’esentations have
been received by his Ministry from the firms
which have been granted C.O.B. licences for
fabircating tin containers requesting for the
supply of tin plates; and

(b) if so, their particulars and the action
taken or proposed to be taken in the
matter 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b) . A
representation was received fiom M/s.
Premier Vegetable Products Ltd., claiming
to have received a C.O B. licence for fabri-
cating Tin Containers, with a capacity of
1,000 Tonnes per annum, and asking for
supply of Tinplates. As there is no statu-
tory control over the distribution of Tin-
p’ate, which is looked after by the Tinplate
Producers Consultative Committee, the rep-
resentation was passed on to that Commi-
ttee for consideration under advice to the
firm.

Visits by Regional Provident Fund
Commissioner, Bihar

2431. SHRI R P. YADAV : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware
that new coverage under the Employees
Provident Funds Organisation are not taking
place in the region of Bihai because the
Regional Commissioner and Assistant
Commissioner are not personally visiting
these places ond supervising the same;

(b) whether they have ever visited
Palamu, where a large number of Dolmite-
mines are situated or the Chaibasa where
China-clay Mines are located or North
Bihar, where rice mills have not implemen-
ted the Employees’ Provident Funds Act
properly; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : The Provident Fund authorities
have reported as under : —

(a) It is not correct to say that new
coverages under the Employees' Provident
Funds and Family Pension Fund Act. 1952
and the Seheme framed thereunder are not
taking place in the B»har region and
that the Reg onal /Assistant Commissioner
is not Visaing various establishments.

(b) Provident Fund Inspectors of the
Employees Provident Fund Organisation are

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entrusted with tne jjb of Inspection/Inve-
stigation of various establishments. The
Assistant /Regional Commssioner has also
visited a number of establishments situated
at various places as was found necessary in
the interest of smooth administration and
enforcement of the Act and the Scheme
framed thereunder.

Wage Board for Workers in
Construction Industry

2432. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a final decision has been
taken lo appoint a wage Board for
the workers employed in the Construc-
tion Industiy;

(b) whether the workers, under the
leadership of All India Hindustan Construc-
tion Workers Union, h ve decided to launch
a direct action :n case the Wage Board is
not appointed by the end of September.
1972 and if so, the reaction of the Govern-
ment; and

(c) whether the workers employed in
Construction Industry in India are not
covered by the Gratuity Scheme and have
also not been brought under the purview of
Provident Fund benefit scheme, if so. the
steps taken by Government to bring them
under the various provisions of the Law ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) It is not proposed to set
up a Wage Board for the Construction
Industries;

(b) Government are not aware of this
decision;

(c) Central legislation on Gratuity has
been passed by Parliament recently. It would
cover the Construction Industry also. As
regards the application of the Provident
Fund Scheme to this industry, the matter is
being considered.

Support to India’s Efforts regarding
Vietnam War

2433. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether during his recent tour in
many foreign countries in July, 1972, many
countries have assured of their whole-hearted
support, in India’s efforts to reduce chances
of further escalation of war in Vietnam;
and

(b) if so, which are those countries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and
(b). In most of the countries visited by
the Minister of External Affairs in July this
year, the Vietnam problem came up in the
course of discussions. Deep concern was
expressed by these countries over the conti-
nuing war situation in Vietnam and there
was apprecia ion of the views expressed by
India for an eaily end to these hostilities
and for a fair and just settlement of the
Vietnam problem.

Security Personnel in Rourkela
Steel Plant

2434. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of security perso-
nnel in Rourkela Steel Plant,

(b) the total number out of them, who
have opted for Central Industrial Security
Force and absorbed in the Plant; and

($) the time by which the remaining
personnel are expected to be absorbed ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c).
The total number of security personnel in
Rourkela Steel Plant was 878. Of these 226
opted to join the Central Industrial Security
Force (C.I.S.F). Out of the 226, 136 have
been selected for absorption in C.I.S.F. and
the remainging 90 have been earmarked for
absorption in the plant.

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Such of the Security petionnel who did
not opt for C.I.S.F. have been retrenched
from Service with effect from 1 3.1972.
Later, the Management have given re-
employment to 298 out of these who had
completed more than 10 years of service and
were found suitable.

Quarters in Rourkela Steel Plant

2435. SHRT SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether the cheap type of quarters
in the Rourkela Steel Plant have gone below
the minimum plinth area prescribed for the
quarters; and

(b) if so, the t»me by which it is
expected to be made good ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Prior
to formulation of standards by the Bureau
of Public Enterprises, some barrack type
houses of 300 square feet plinth area were
constructed at the initial stage of construc-
tion of the township.

(b) There is no proposal to make
gcod the shortage of plinth aiea in these
quarters. Therj has however been no futher
construction of cheep type quarters of the
barrack t>pe.

Deputationists working in Steel Plants

2436. SHRT SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA . Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to refer to the
reply given to Unstarred Question No. 751
on the 3rd August, 1972 regarding deputa-
tionists in the Steel Plant and state :

(a) the time by which tie deputation-
ists woiking in Steel Plants are expected to
be reverted back; and

(b) the policy involved in allowing
deputationists to continue working in the
Steel Plants ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZK HAN) : (a) and (b).
Except for appointments made by Govern-

ment in terms of the Articles of Association
of the Company, it is for the authorities
of Hindustan Steel Limited and Bokaro
Steel Limited to secure or retain the
services of Government employees on depu-
tation having regard to their own require-
ments .and interests. The Government
have, however, already decided that members
of the peimanent civil services (other than
those who belong to the Industrial Manage-
ment Pool) on deputation or proceeding on
deputation hereafter should excercise within
a stipulated period, an option between
permanent absorption in the service of the
undertaking and reversion to the parent
department. The reversion of the existing
deputationists from the Central Government
will, therefore, be governed b> this decision
In the case of State Government employees
on deputation, the mat r er would have to be
settled by ti e Undertaking with the State
Governments concerned.

Recommendations of Loomba Committee
in Rourkela Steel Plant

2437. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of
STEEL AND MIbES be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Loomba Committee’s
recommendations have been fully imple-
mented in Rourkela Steel Plant; and

(b) if not, the recommendations which
remain to be implemented ?

THE MINISTER OF i>TATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b).
The implementation of the recommendations
of the Locmba Committee is in various
stages of progress.

Buildings Constructed at Dhanuskoti
for repatriates from Sri Lanka

2438. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether some buildings were con-
structed at Dhanuskoti in Rarreshwaram to
receive the repatriates from Sri Lanka;

(b) whether ihese buildings arc now
lying vacant and are not put to any use;
and

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, (c) the amount spent for the coostruc-
Hon of these buildings and whether Govern-
ment propose to utilise the buildings for
any other use ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K.
KHAD1LKAR) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir.

(c) A sum of Rs. 18.78 lakhs was
sanctioned for the construction of buildings
and other ancillary items like electricity,
water supply, internal roads, etc.

The question of utilising these buildings
is being examined in consultation with the
State Government.

Release of Indian Property Captured by
Pakistan during 1965

2439. SHRI R. S. PANDEY . Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleaded to state :

(a) whether Government have taken up
with Pakistan the question of release of
Indian prope-ty confiscated by Pakistan
during the 1965 Indo-Pakistan conflict;
and

(b) if so, the steps taken so far and
the results achieved therefrom ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and
(b). The matter has been taken up with
the Government of Pakistan on a number
of occasions without any positive results.
The Government will however continue to
pursue it.

Setting up of a Joint Council of trade
Unions for workers' participation
in production of I. I. S. Co.

2440. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state.

(a) whether the AH-India Trade Union
Congress has demanded that a Joint Council
of Trade Unions (as in Durgapur Steel
plant) should be set up in Burnpur for
Inducting workers* participation in Indian
Iron and steel Company's production from
the top to the shop level; and

(b) if so Government* decision thereon?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) This is an issue within the purview
of the Plan Management.

Non-Compliance of Employee's Provi-
dent Funds Act in Public
Undertakings.

2441. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Public Sector Under-
takings have been showing a sign of non-
compliance of the Employees’ Provident
Funds Act and tfie Scheme all over India;
if so, the details of each such unit, in each
region;

(b) whether Regional Commissioners
and Assistant Commissioners do not visit
Public Sector Undertakings personally and
offer clarifications to them with the result
that lot of mis-understanding persists regar-
ding investment, settlement of claim and
grant of loans tc the members; and

(c) whether Government propose to
issue instructions to the various Regional
Commissioners and Assistant Commissioners
to visit Public Sector Undertakings persona-
lly and check up their accounts so that
marked improvement in compliance could
be secured ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHAD1L-
KAR) ,The Provident Fund Authorities have
intimated as under ;•

(a) Information is not readily available
and is being collected,

(b) and (c). No such large scale misun-
derstandings have been brought to notice.
Establishments covered under the Emplo-
yees' Provident Funds and Family Pension
Fund Act, 1952 including Public Sector
Undertakings are being visited by the Regi-
onal Provident Fund Commissioners and
other officers as and when found necessary

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Written* Answers 96

in the interest cf smooth administration and
effective compliance by such establishments.
Instructions have also been issued to all
Regional Provident Fund Commissioners
from time to time to take effective steps for
securing compliance from Public Sector
Undenakings.

Implementation of Employees’ Provi-
dent Funds Act in Mysore

2442 SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASFRI :
will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state;

(a) whether Government arc aware that
there is large scale evasion in the implemen-
tation of Employees’ Provident Funds Act
in the region of Mysore in a such as the
factories and mines rave not been covered
with retrospective dates when they were
covcrable, with the result that employees
have been deprived of the benefit of mem-
bership of Provident Funt for a period
ranging from 10 to 12 years;

(b) whether Government propose to
reopen all such cases and cover them again
w'lth retrospective dates so that the harm
done to the workers could be still undone; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL-
KAR) : The Provident Fund authoiities
have furnished the following information:—

(a) No. Only one such case has come to
the not ce of the Central Provident Fund
Commissioner.

(b) and (c) Su t ble in t uctions have
been issued by the Central Provident Fund
Commissioner to the Regional Commissoner
Mysore to ensure that the establ shment is
covered from the correct date, retrospec-
ts ely if necessary, in accordance with the
orders and instructions issued on the
subject.

Introduction of Employees Provident

Fund in Mica, Fireclay and China-
Clay Mines in Bihar

2443. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRli

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
large number of mica mines in the District
of Hazaribagh and fire-clay mines in Dhan-
bad District and china-clay mines in the
Smghbhum District have not been covered
because they are inaccessible; and

(b) if so, the action taken in getting
them surveyed and covered under the Empl-
oyees Provident Funds Act ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) and (b) The Piovident Fund
Authorities have repored that the informa-
tion is being collected It will be laid on
the Table of the Sabha in due course.

Lockout in Mines of Birds Group
in Hazaribagh

2444. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRi
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to slate:

(a) whether the mines belonging to the
Bird-, group in Hazar bagh have declared
lockout;

(b) whether theie was a police firing on
the striking workers; and

(e) if so, the cause of the sirike and
actions taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L-
KAR) (a) Yes, Saunda *D’ Colliery of
Messrs Karanpura Collie les Limited in
Hazaribagh was undfcr lockout, which was
lifted on 24th July, 1972;

(b) The police had to open fire cn a
crowd of striking workers of the Sirka Coll-
iery and villagers;

(c) Following the arrest of the Presi
dent and (he Branch Secretary of the Coal
Workers’ Union, there was strike in Siika
Colliery. The cause of action of the strike,
being a subject matter of law and order,
falls with-in the jurisdiction of the State
Government.

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SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAJCA)

Written Answers 98

Effect of U. 8* Economic Recession
on Foreign Students

2446 SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU: Will
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state:

(a) whether his attention has been drawn
to the news-item published in The States-
man, Calcutta, dated the 3rd July, 1972, page
7, under the caption “Foreign Students in
USA hit by economic recession”;

(b) if so, Government’s reaction there-
to; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) and (c). It would not be proper for
Government to comment on internal econo-

mic developments in other countries. While
it is part of the duties of our Missions to
look after the welfare of Indian nationals
abroad, there is not much that can be done
to provide assistance in situations of the
type mentioned in the news item.

Earnings and Productivity of
Factory Workers

2447. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state the State-
wise, productivity, money earnings and real
earn ngs of factory workers drawing less
than Rs. 400/- per month, during 1960-61,
1968-69 and 1970-71 or 1969-70?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K, KHADIL-
KAR) : The attached stat ment gives the
State- wise index numbers of money earnings
for the years 1962, 1968, 1969 and 1970 and
the index numbers of real earnings on an
all-India basis for the same years. Similar
information in respect of productivny is
not available.

S tatement

Index Number of Money Earnings of Employees In Manufacturing Industries
drawing less than Rs 400 /- per month by States for the
years 1962 . 1968 to 1970 .

SI. States/Union Index Number of Money Earnings (Base 1961 =100)

No.

Territories

1962

1968

1969

1970 (P)

1 .

Andhra Pradesh

104

155

177

182

Assam

137

149

152

Bihar

134

135

148

Gujarat

105

165

164

175

Himachal Pradesh

159

205

182

Kerala

108

175

199

Madhya Pradesh

108

148

151

158

Maharashtra

106

157

167

Mysore

156

155

10.

Orissa

103

152

174

216

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1972

Written Answers 100

1 2

11. Punjab*

110

161

189

201

12. Rajasthan

172

261

265

13. Tamil Nadu

107

156

165

14. Uttar Pradesh

109

171

176

15. West Bengal

106

170

Union Territories : —

16. Andaman & Nicobar Islands

106

148

166

179

17. Delhi

110

166

181

172

All-India Index of

Money Earnings.

106

160

171

175

All India Consume; Price

Index Numbers (Base Shifted
to 1961-100).

103

171

169

178

All-India Index of

Real Earnings.

103

101

*As it existed prior to reorganisation.

(P)-

Provisional.

Note — 1 . The figures relating to Index

of Money Earmngs

exclude those for Railway

Workshops and Groups of Industries seasonal in character consisting of Food,
Beverages, Tobacco and Gins and Presses but include Defence Installations.

2. Index Numbers of Money Eearnings in respect of other States/Union Territories
are not being compiled as the basic data for the year 1961 was not available.

Source : Annual Returns under the Payment of Wages Act, 1936.

Final Report of Expert Committee on
Unemployment

2448. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI:

SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN :

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Expert Committee on
Unemployment has since submitted its final
report by Bow;

(b) if so, the broad recommendations
thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) No.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Setting up of a Corporation for Utilisation
of Nickel Ore in Orissa

2449. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether any progress has been made
so far in setting up of a Corporation for
utilisation of nickel ore found in Sukhinda
area in Orissa; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof? '

ill Written Answers SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, whether these statements

MINISTRY OF STEEL & MINES (SHRI come within the breach of Simla Agreements.
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). The and
Central Government and the State Govern-
ment of Orissa have agreed to set up a (c) the reaction of Government in the

Corporation for the development of Sukhinda matter ?

Nickel Deposits in District Cuttack, Orissa,

with the former having 51% shares and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

latter having 49% shares in it. Action is MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

now in hand for undertaking pilot plant (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)

scale tests before a detailed project report Government have seen reports to this

for the commercial exploitation of the effect,

deposit is drawn up. Steps are also being

taken to appoint an Officer on Special Duty (b) and (c). Under paragraph 4 (ii) of

to handle liasion and coordination work the Simla Agreement, India and Pakistan

between various agencies. A separate corpo- have bilaterally agreed to respect the line

ration will be set up after getting more of control in Jammu and Kashmir which

detailed information about the nature and came into effect on 17-12-1972, not to

extent of this Project. alter it unilaterally, and to refrain from

the threat or the use of force in violation

Non-Payment of Wages to Mica Mine of it. Any statements made in contravention

Workers at Kaderma and of this would be against the spirit of the

Jhumaritilaiya Simla Agreement.

"450. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will The UNMOGIP was established speci-

the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- fically with reference to the old 1949

LITATION be pleased to state : ceasefire line which has no validity any

longer. The U.N.Observers have, there-

(a) whether thousands of Mica mine fore, no role to play in Jammu and

workers at Koderma and Jhumaritilaiya are Kashmir.

on the verge of death by starvation due to

non-payment of their wages by mine owners; Indo- Yugoslav Talks

and

2452. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

(b) if so, the steps Government have Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

been taken in the matter ? be pleased to state :

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (a) whether attention of Government
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- has been drawn to a statement made by the

KAR) : (a) and (b) : information is being Yugoslav President Tito to a banquet

collected, hosted by him in honour of the President.

Shri Giri, suggesting the convening of a
Pakistan’s Views Re: tbe Role summit of the non-aligned countries;

of U. N. Observers in *

Kashmir (b) if so, the nature thereof; and

2451. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: (c) the reaction of Govenment to this

SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERM A: suggestion 7

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE DEPUTY MlNISFtR IN THE
AFFAIRS be plesed to state : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and

(a) whether Government are aware of (b). President Tito, in his speech at the

the Pakistani move for a continuing role banquet given in honoui of our President

for the United Nations observers in Kashmir on July 5, 197"', had generally referred to

and 'conflicting statements on Kashmir by the need for an “intensified activity by non-

Pakistani politicians in recent days; aligned countries 9 ’ in order to continue

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 104 *

the positive trends in international relations.
However, no specific proposal has been
made for the convening of a non-aligned
Summit.

(c) Government would abide by the
consensus reached at the Meeting of Foreign
Ministers of non-aligned Countries at
Georgetown about the holding ot a Non-
aligned Summit Meeting.

Coal Mines Provident Fund Arrears
with Coal Mine Owners

2453. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :

SHRI R. N. SHARMA :

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the increasing default on the part of the
coal mine-owners to pay their share to the
Coal Mines Provident Fund;

(b) if so, the steps taken by Govern-
ment to recovei the arrears fiom the
employers; and

(c) whether any prosecutions have
been launched against the defaulting emplo-
yers; if so, the number of cases filed so
far ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : The Coal Mines Provident authori-
ties have reported as under

(a) Yes.

(b) (i) Legal action by way of pro-
secution and recovery proceedings
is generally taken against defaul-
ting employers under the Coal
Mines Provident Fund, Family
Pension and Bonus Schemes Act,
1948.

(ii) Complaints are also lodged in
suitable cases under Section 406
1PC.

(iii) The State Governments of Bihar,
West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh and
Maharashtra have been requested
to issue instructions to the certi-

ficate officers for expeditious
disposal of pending certificate
cases.

(iv) The State Governments of Bihar
and West Begal have been requested
to appoint Certificate Officers in
each State to deal exclusively
with the certificates cases of the
Coal Mines Provident Fund.

(v) The question of amending the Coal
Mines Provident Fund, Family
Pension and Bonus Schemes Act,
1948 to provide for more deterrent
penalties for non-payment of
provident fund dues is under
consideration of Government.

(0 Number of prosecution filed
under the Coal Mines Pro-
vident Fund, Family Pension
and Bonus Schemes Act,

1948. —3429

(ii) Number of prosecutions
filed under Section 406
I. P. C. — 17

(in) Number of certificate cases

filed. —3261

Interim Report of Bonus
Review Committee

2454. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have asked
for an interim report from the Bonus
Review Committee;

(b) if so, whether Government have
received this report; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR (a) No, Sir.

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SR WAN A 26, 1804 (SAKA)

Written Answers 106

(b) Goverament have not received any
interim report.

Oven for Metallurgical Coke invented by
Central Fuel Research Institute

2455. DR RANEN SEN :

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether a special type of oven to
make metallurgical coke has been invented
by the Central Fuel Research Institute in
cooperation with Tata Iron and Steel
Company; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The
Central Fuel Research Institute have recently
claimed to have developed a design for a
cheap, efficient and highly productive non-
byproduct recovery coke oven for production
of metallurgical coke and that based on
this design, coke oven batte f ies of a total
capacity of over 200,000 tonnes/year are
being set up by the Tata Iron and Steel
Company in their colliery at Sijua

tb) The salient features, according to
the Central Fuel Research Insitute, are ;

(i) The productivity of the new ovens
is nearly two and a half times as
much as the conventional beehive
ovens, which will result in sharp
decrease in processing costs;

(ii) The coke is intended to be used in
the TISCO blast furnaces to meet
current coke shortage;

(iii) Unlike conventional beehive ovens,
it is possible to use a wide range
and blends of coals in these ovens
to produce foundry and/or blast
furnace coke.

Scrutiny of Agricultural Department’s
proposal for purchase of Fertilisers

2456. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR:
Will the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether per unit nutrient price of
European origin ANP fertiliser is less than
that of DAP and NPK complex fertilizer of
USA; and

(b) what facilities the Department of
Supply have to scrutinize Agriculture
Department's proposals to purchase fertiliser
from various sources ?

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D.R. CHAV AN) : (a) Generally, the price
per unit of nutrient in DAP is lower than
that in ANP, while the price per unit of
nutrient in ANP is lower than that in NPK
complex fertilizers. However, the quality
of nutrients available from ANP is inferior
to that ayailab'e from DAP.

(b) It is the responsibility of the
Department of Agriculture to determ ne the
programme for the import of fertilizers to
be imported and the delivery schedules for
such imports. The Department of Agricul-
ture do not indicate the various sources
from which the fertilisers should be pur-
chased except where purchases have to be
made against the credits available from
different countries.

Captive Mines of Ores for Steel Produc-
tion by Bokaro Steel Plant

2458. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH
RAO : Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(h) whether the Bokaro Steel PUnt
will not have captive mines of ores for steel
production;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) the safeguards provided to ensure
that the Bokaro Steel Plant receives its full
requirements of ores at competitive rates ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) At

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AUGUST 17, 1972

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the present moment, BokarO Steel Plant has
no captive sources of iron ate or manganese
ore.

(b) and (c). It is not essential that
every steel plant should have captive ore
nrnes. Iron ore for the first stage of
Bokaro Steel Plant will be supplied by
Kiriburu Mines which are managed and
operated by the National Mineral Develop-
ment Corporation Limited, a public sector
concern. As the expension of Kiriburu is
still not comple e, iron ore fines required
for Bokaro Steel Plant are now being
procured from other sources. No difficulty
is envisaged in ensuring adequate supply of
iron ore from Kiriburu at prices fair to
both NMDC and BSL. Manganese ore is
now being purchased from the Minerals and
Metals Trading Corporation Limited.
Bokaro Steel Limned has recently acquired
mining lease of certain areas for raising
manganese ore and theie may ultimately
become the main sources of the ore.

Employees State Insurance Hospitals

2459. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) how many Employees State Insura-
nce Hospitals are now functioning in the
country;

(b) the total bed strength of these
hospitals; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : The Employees State Insurance
Corporation has furnished the following
information ;

(a) At present 47 Employees State
Insurance Hospitals are functioning in the
Country.

(b) The total bed strength of 47 Emplo-
yees State Insurance Hospitals is 8,609.

Employees State Insurance Hospitals,
Annexes and Dispensaries in the next five
years.

Growing Industrial Unrest in Bihar

2460. KUMARI KAMI A KUMARI :
W.ll the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Industrial uniest is growing
in Bihar at a very high speed due to exploi-
tation of workers by the 20 big business
houses;

(b) whether Government are going to
appoint a Committee of Members of Parlia-
ment to look into the affairs of the 20
big bus i r ess houses; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA-
D1LKAR): (a) to (c). The Ministry of Lab-
our have no information on this subject.

Assessment of Working of Rehabilitation
Industries Corporation

2461. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to Mate :

(a) whether Government of India have
made any assessment m regard to the wor-
king of rehabilitation industries Corpora-
tion, Calcutta during the last three years;

(b) whether this Corporation has been
running at a loss, if so. the reasons thereof;
and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SKRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir. The losses in the Ccrpo-
ticn arc mainly attributable to

(i) The five hand loom weaving centres
taken over from the Government
of West Bengal, are working as

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Written Anthers HO

factory Units and the workers have
to be given benefits according to
the Factories Act as well as bonus.
The products of these centres also
do not enjoy the usual 5% rebate
allowed to handloom products of
the cooperative sector.

(ji) Due to the geographical location
of various units, the Corporation
incurs considerable expenditure on
transport, storage and distribution
of their products.

(lii) The Corporation has to employ
displaced persons most of whom
are inexperienced and have to be
trained as they work. This leads to
consequential inherent disadvanta-
ges.

(iv) General recession coupled with
considerable labour unrest during
the past 3 years, has affected the
working of the Corporation to an
appreciable extent.

(v) High wages, poor labour efficiency
and productivity and high percen-
tage of unabsorbed factory over-
heads also contribute to losses in-
cured by the Corporation.

(vi) Heavy floods in September, 1970,
completely dislocated work in Bon-
Hooghly area where the Corpora-
tion’s biggest industrial complex is
located. Damage to materials alone
resulted in a loss of Rs. 2.13
lakhs.

(vii) Finished textile products worth Rs.
36.07 lakhs accumulated in the
stocks due to difficulties explained
above. The devaluation of this
huge stock, and interest on capital,
account for a substantial part of
the losses.

(c) The Board of Rehabilitation which
set up by the Government under the Chair-
manship of Shri Manubhai Shah was reque-
sted inter-alla to advise the Government on
the measures essential for placing the Cor-
poration on a round economic footing. The
Board has submitted its report. Subsequent-

ly, a Departmental Committee was set up to
enquire into the working of the uneconomic
Units of the Corporation with a view to loca-
ting vulnerable points and finding ways and
means of improving them so as to make
them commercially viable. The Committee
has also submitted its report. Both these
reports are now under examination in con-
sultation with the other concerned Depart-
ments etc.

Economic Cooperation with
Asian Countries

2462. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the scope for enlarging
Indians trade and economic cooperation
with the various countries of Asia was dis-
cussed at a meeting of the Heads of the
Indian Missions in Asian countries with
representatives of the Federation of Indian
Chambers of Commerce and Industry on
the 12th April, 1972;

(b) if so, the outcome of the talks: and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDFR PAL SINGH) ; (a) Yes,
Sir; On 13th April, 1972.

(b) Problems relating to expansion of
India’s economic ties with the region as a
whole, as also with individual countries were
identified and practical suggestions towards
this end given by the Federation of Indian
Chamber of Commerce and Industry as
well as the Heads of Indian Missions, are
being studied and pursued by the Govern-
ment.

(c) Government feels that this is an
opportune moment to make serious efforts
for strengthening trade and economic co-
operation between India and other Aslan
countries, and intends to make every effort
to give concrete shape to the many useful
ideas that ’ were discussed between the
Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce
and 1 Industry and the Heads of Indian
Missions.

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Rehabilitation of Families displaced
due to Establishment of Steel
Plant at Visakhapatnam

2463. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of families to be
displaced by the establishment of steel plant
at Visakhapatnam; and

(b) the proposals to rehab. litatc these
displaced perons ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE:
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) At
this stage it is not possible to make a precise
assessment of the number of families likely
to be displaced by the acquisition of land
for the Visakhapatnam Steel Project, as this
would be subject to the area of land which
is finally acquired.

(b) Proposals for rehabilitation of the
persons who would be displaced will be
drawn up by the Government of Andhra
Pradesh in consultation with the Ministry
of Steel and Mines.

Control of Ferrous and non-ferrous
Scrap Trade through M M.T C.

2464. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of STEFL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
to control the ferrous and non-ferrous scrap
trade through the Minerals and Metals
Trading Corporation; and

(b) if so, the sal ent features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEFL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and
(b). At present there is no statutory control
on price or distribution of ferrous and non-
ferrous scrap trade. At present, the import
of iton-ferrous scrap is arranged through
Minerals & Metals Trading Corporation and
the import of ferrous scrap is canalised
through Minerals & Metals Trading Corpo-
ratlon/Metal Scrap Trade Corporation.
Export of ferrous scrap is also canalised
through Metal Scrap Trade Corporation.

Ban on Entry of Indian into U. K.

246L SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state ;

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the reports regarding the
refusal to the Indian parents to enter
Britain even to attend the wedding of their
sor.s; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PaL SINGH): (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) Government naturally regret needless
hardships caused to innocent visitors to
Britain. However, in the case of Shrimati
Achro Malhi, wh ch has been widely reported
in the press, the British view is that she
sought entry into UK by misrepresenting
facts. She is alleged to have told the immi-
gration officer at London airport that she
wished to settle permanently in U.K. Further-
more, her earlier appl cation for an entry
certificate at the British High Commission
in New Delhi had been refused. She had
then changed her passport and sought entry
into UK without an entry certificate. She
claimed that she had gone theie to attend
her son’s marriage. The immigration autho-
rities offered to let the marriage be per-
formed in the detention centre where she
was held. The offer was declined, and
Shrimati Malhi was returned to India on
20th July, 1972.

Government would have wished to see
this case handled with greater humanity.

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Building of Sulphuric Acid Plant in
Bhilai Steel Plant

2467. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a proposal to build
a sulphuiic acid plant at the Bhilai Steel
Plant;

(b) if so. the total production capacity
of the plant; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STELL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) 55 Tonnes per day expressed as JflO%
Concentration Acid.

(c) The plant is being installed on a
turnkey basis at a quoted price of Rs. 77 48
lakhs including £15,650 of foieign exchange.

Indo-Poli&h talks regarding I. C. C.
in Vietnam

2468. SHRI C. K, CHANDRAPPAN'
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state:

(a) whether during his recent visit to
Poland he had discussion with tht Polish
leaders regarding the fUtu-e of the Interna-
tional Control Commission in Vietnam; and

(b) if so, the nature thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) These discussions are of a confi-
dential nature and it would not be in public
• interest to disclose their contents.

Opening of New Embassies

2469. SHRI D. P JADEJA :

SHRI VEKARIA :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
/ FFA1RS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are considering
to upgrade the existing and open new Emba-
ssies in South and Central America; and

(b) if so, when and in which country ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH); (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) It has been decided to set up an
Embassy m Panama. The question of opening
some more Missions and upgrading others
is under consideration.

Difficulties faced by Indians in
Central America

2470. SHRI D P JADEJA: Will the
Minuter of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plea-
sed to slate 1

(s0 whether Government have received
anv complaints from Indian ciii?ens residing
in Central American countries regarding
delay in passport renewals; and

(bj if so, the reaction of Go\ernment
theieto ?,

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Steel Distribution Policy for Small
Scale Industries

2471. G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be p eased
to state:

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 1 1 6

(a) whether the present steel distribu-
tion poley of Government Is not beneficial
to the small scale industries; and

(b) if so, what steps Government have
proposed to ractify the position ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) It is
not coirect that the piesent steel distribu-
tion policy is not beneficial to the Small
Scale Industries.

(b) Does not arise.

Delay in completion of Sudamdih

and Moindih Projects of National
Coal Development Corporation

2472 SHRI MUKHT1AR SINGH
MALIK : Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whather delay in the completion of
Sudamdih and Moindih projects of National
Coal Development Corporation has been
reported: and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN)- (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) The main reasons for the slow
progress of the projects arc the delay in
receipt of vital indigenous equipment by the
projects as well as a general shortage of
Iron and Steel. Some imported equipment
was impounded by Pakistan during the 1965
war. Difficult Geological conditions inclu-
ding the presence of gas & under ground
hot water have also been responsible for
delay in the completion of Sudamdih project
Power supply has also been subject to hea\y
interruptions.

Non-aligned Nations Conference

2473. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a move to have
non-aligned nations summit in the near
future; and

(b) if so, the subjects proposed to be
discus'.ed in the summit and the name of
the country where the summit is likely to
be held ’

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFX1RS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH,: (a) Yes,
Sir, in 1973.

(b) The subjects to be discussed will be
decided in consultations to be held to prep-
are foi the Summit meeting. The Summit
meeting is proposed to be held in Algiers.

Casual Labourers in Public Undertakings

2474. SHRI HAR1 KISHORE SINGH:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state:

(a) the number of Casual Labour work-
ing at present in Government Undertakings,

(b) whethe there is any proposal under
consideration of Government to regularise
there services;

(O the number of casual labourers
who>e sei vices have been regularised during
the last one year; and

(d) the time by which the remaining
persons will be regularised ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) (a) to (d). The information asked
for relates to both the Central and State
Government undertakings and is not readily
available.

Import of Steel

2475. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have any
proposal under consideration to import
steel from foreign countries;

(b) if so, the quantity and value of
steel likely to be impoited during the years
1972-73 and 1973-74; and

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Written Answers 118

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c).
Import of steel is made by the canalising
agencies/Actual Users/Registered Exporters
or their nominees/Export Houses. Imports
are being allowed in accordance with the
Import Policy for all categories, where the
material is not adequately availab’e
indigenously. The quantum of import
depends upon the demand for steel,
indigenous availability of steel and the
availability of foreign exchange. No
precise estimate of quantity and value of
the steel likely to be imported during 1 972-
73 and 1973-74 can be given at present.
However, it is anticipated that imports
will be around 1 0 million tonnes
in 1972-73 and less in 1973 74,
particularly if domestic production shows
substantial increases in 1972-73.

The countries from which steel isi impor-
ted depend upon the sou ice of foreign
exchange and availability of right type of
material. Generally steel imports are from
Japan, U.K., U S A , USSR, Holland,
Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia,
Hungary, Belgium, France. East and West
Germany.

Change in the Procedure ot indenting
and Distribution of Iron
and Steel

2476. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
revise the system of indenting and distri-
bution of Iron and Steel in the country;

(b) if so, the salient features thereof;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF SLEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The

revised system of indenting and distri-
bution was notified on 7th April, 1971.
There is no proposal at present to revise it
further.

(b) Dots not arise,

(c) The Joint Plant Committee
regulates distribution of all such materials
ans:ng at the Plants through the Stockyards
of the Main Producers.

Construction of Salem Steel Plant

2477. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state:

(a) whether the const luction work of
the Salem Steel Plant has been going accor-
ding to the schedule;

^b) if not, the reasons thereof; and

(c) the total amount spent so far on
the construction of this plant and the time
by which it will start functioning and total
amount likely to be invested in this project **

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Woik
of preliminary site preparation has already
commenced at Salem.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) So far, approximately Rs. 70 lakhs
have been spent on various activit es inclu-
ding expenditure towards land acquisition
It is expected that the Plant would be
commissioned bv 1977-78 The total capital
outlay, presently estimated by the Consul-
tants at about Rs. 340 crores, is under
exmination.

Exploitation of Iron Ore of Malangtoli

2478. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state:

(a) whether any steps have been taken
to step up the exploitation of iron ore at
Malangtoli; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ?

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 120

THE MINISTER OF St ATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b).
A Study Group has been constituted to
consider, among others, the development of
Malangtoli iron ore deposits. The report of
the Study Group is awaited.

Survey of Respiratory Diseases among

Coal Miners in Dhanbad-Jharia Coal
Fields

2479. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA:

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a survey conducted in the
Dhanbad-Jharia coalf, elds has revealed thdt
a majority of the coal mneis develop
respiratory diseases after working for cer-
tain time; and

(b) whether full report of the survey his
since been received and what steps have been
taken to protect the miners from such
diseases ?

THE MINISTER OF LABUOR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) and (b). A respiratory morbidity
survey was undertaken jointly by the Rajen-
dra Memorial Research Institute of Medical
Sciences, Patna, and the Central Mining
Research Station, Dhanbad, under the
guidance of Col. R. Viswanathan, Emeritus.
Scientist, Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute,
Delhi. The full report of the survey is not
yet available.

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Written Answers 122

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123 Written Answers

AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 124

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Transfers in Employees’ Provident
Fund Organisation

2485. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAH-
MAN : Will the the M n-ster of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be p'eased to
state whether ^ome of the Inspectors in the
Fmp^yees, Provident Fund Orgainsation
continue to be posted in the same city
for such a long period as 17 years like in
Bangalore, while other Regional Provi-
dent Fund Commissioners are transferring
the Inspectors every one to two years ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABI1 1TATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : The Prov.dent Fund authorities
have reported as under : —

No Inspector m any city is working for
as lorg as 17 years. Ordinarily, Inspectors
are transferred from one city to another
after a per.od of th^ee years. When Ins-
pectors continue in the same city over three
years, their jurisd ctions as a rule are
changed in a period of about three years.
Inter-regjonal and mtra-regional transfers
before three vears are resorted to, as a rule,
on administrative considerations.

E. P. F. and Deposits in Securi-
ties by D.M.S.

2486. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAHM \N:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether approx mately a sum of
Rs. one crore has not been invested in
the Central Government securities by the
Delhi Milk Scheme and large number of

temporary employees have not been admit-
ted to provident Fund membership;

(b) whether some high official visited
the establishment personally, if so, on what
dates he has visited and what are his reports
in the matter,

(d) the position regarding the balance
of unmve^ed amount and admission of
temporarj employees ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADJL-
KAR) : The Provident Fund Authorities
have reported as under* —

(a) The Delhi M lk Scheme, which is
under relaxation under para 79 of the
Employees Provident Funds Seheme, 1952,
is a departmental undertaking of the Cen-
tral Government and its employees are
covered bv ihe Central Government Pension-
fu/ff-Gratuiiv Rules Hence, the question
of investment of Provdent Fund contri-
butions in the Central Government Securi-
ties as per the stand ng instructions of the
Government does not aiisc.

The part time staff working in the
Depot of the Delhi M‘!k Scheme are not
covered under the Employees’ Provident
Funds and Family Pension Fund Act, 1952.
The other temporary employees of this
establishment get all such benifits till
their confirmation as arc admissible to the
corresponding categories of Central Govern-
ment employees. The Regional authorities
have asked the Delhi Milk Scheme to insure
benefits equivalent to the statutory benefits
in respect of employees leaving their
services before confirmation.

(b) The establishment is visited by
the Provident Fund Inspector regularly.
A visit by Assistant /Regional Provident
Fund Commissioner was not considered
necessary*.

125 Written Answers

SRAVANA 26, 1894 {SAKA)

Writen Answers 126

Circulation of Seniorty List to
Officers and Staff in Employees
Provident Fund Organi-
sation

2487. SHRT MD. JAMILURRAHMAN :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the the Civil List (seniority
list) has not been circulated to the
Gazetted Officers and staff of the Emplo-
yees’ Provident Fund Organisation for the
last several years, if so, when it was
circulated last and the leasons why it has
not been circulated since then;

(b; whether Departments promotees
have not been placed as per ratio fixed viz.
50 per cent from Departmental and 50 per
cent from direct recruitment through the
Union Public Service Commission;

(c) whether there was no promotion
of Departmental candidates for several years
and d rcct recruitment only took p ace md
instead of placing departmental promotees
at the ratio of 50 pei cent to 50 per cent
in seniority list, the Departmental p o-
motees have been piaced quite at the
bottom of the seniority list ; and

(d) the steps being contemplated to
set right the irregulanty by properly placing
the departmental candidates ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL-
KAR) 1 The Provident Fund authorities
have reported as under : —

(a) No. During the last few years
seve r al Seniority Lists pertaining to the
Gazetted Officers and staff were circulated.

(b) No. Departmental promotees have
been placed as per ratio prescribed in the
Recruitment Rules from the date of en-
forcement of the rotational principle.

(c) Recruitment to various cadres is
being made from rime to time, subject to
availability of vacancies in the appropriate
quotas, in accordance with the provisions
of the Recruitment Rules.

(d) Does not arise.

Coverages under Employees Provi-
dent Fund in Mysore

2488. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAHMAN:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state
whether large number of establishment in
•Mysore have not been covered under the
Employees Provident Fund from the dates
they ate actually coverable but not the
conti ary, they have been covered from
much later date and the employers have
gone scot free from the liability of the
Provident Fund?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R Ft KHADIL-
KAR): The Cential Provident Fund Commi-
ssioner has reported that one case has come
to his notice and that suitable instruc-
tions have been issued to the Regional
Commissioner, Mysore to ensure that the
establishment is covered from the correct
date, retrospectively if necessary, in accor-
dance with orders and instructions issued
on the subject

Selection of candidates by Industries
through D G. E. & T.

Aptitude Tests

24 9. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) the details of 12 industries that
have so far used the Directoiate General
of Employment and Training Aptitude
Tests for selection of Apprentices in thier
organisations; and

(b) the Engineeung industries and
regions in which aptitude *es ing programme
has b en introduced for selecting suitable
candidate apprentices under the Apprentices
Act, 1961 ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
FCAR) : (a). A statement is attached.

(b) Any Industry desirous of using
Directorate General of Employment and
Trainmg ’9 aptitude tests for selection of
apprentices is free to avail of this facility
and as such the question of introduction
of the programme in specific Industries and
regions does not anse.

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 128

Statement

The names of estabhftments that have
so far used Directorate Genera! of Employ-
ment and Training’s Aptitude Tests for
Selection of Apprentices in their Organi-
sation is given below

1. Indian Airlines Corporation.

2. Ashok Leyland, Madras.

3. The Premier Automobiles Ltd ,
Bombay.

4. Productivity Council, Madras.

5. Kirloskar Electric Co., Bangalore.

6. Delhi Cloth Mills, Delhi.

10. Bharat Electricals Ltd , Bangalore.

11. Bharat Earth Movers, Mysore.

12. Anup Engineering Ltd.. Ahamdabad.

Experts assigned to D.G.E. & T.

2490. SHR1 J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minis/er of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) the nationality of the three Experts
assigned to DG.E. &T. m the field of
Emp'o>ment Market Information, Manpower
Asje^sment and Planning and Vocational
Guidance;

(b) since when they aie in their posts;
and

7. Ahamdabad Electricity Limited.
Ahamdabad.

fc) how- far their expertise has helped
the Government in the above-mentioned
thiee fields ?

8. Mysore Kirlosakar, Mysore.

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND

9. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd , REHABILITATION (SKRI R K. KHADIL-

Lucknow.

KAR) (a) and (b) :

Field

Nationality
of Expert.

Date from which
assigned and period.

(!) Employment Market
Information.

Australian

From 1.4 1971 for

12 months.

(ii) Manpower Assessment
and Planning.

American

From 13 7.1971 for
12 months.

(in) Vocational

Guidance.

American

From 26.7.1971 from
18 months

(c) During their stay, the first two
experts collected the requisite information,
made field visits and have had discussions
with the appropriate authorities and organi-
sations. Their final reports, which would
embody their recommendations, are awaited.
The extent to which their expertised will be
of use in improvement of these programmes
could be gauged only after the repoits are
received by the Government of India from
the Internationa] Labour Organisation and
the suggestions made therein have been exa-
mined. The third expert has yet to complete
his study and investigations of the existing
set up and the problems in the field of
Vocational Guidance.

Target of production in Public Sector
Steel Plants

2491. SHRI SHRIK1SHAN MODI :

SHR1 RAM PRAKASH :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether the target of production of
the three Public Sector Steel plants has been
run down during current year as compared
to 1971-72; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

129 Written Answers

SRAVANA 26, 1894(5-4^)

Written Answers 130

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The targets
of production in respect of the public sector
steel plants at Bhilai, Durgapur and Rourkela
under Hindustan Steel Limited for the years
1Q71 and 1972-73 are indicated below :

(In 000* tonnes)

Target for
1971-72

Target for

1972-71

Steel

Ingots

Saleable

Steel

Ingot

Saleable

Steel

Bhilai

Steel

Plant

2200

1720

2250

1790

Durgapur

Steel

Plant 1150

877

1000

722

Rourkela

Steel

Plant

1400

999

1250

890

It will be noticed that while the targets
of production in the case of Bhilai Sieel
Plant for 1972-73 are higher than those in
1971-72, they are lower in the case of the
other two Plants.

(b) The targets of production for 1972-73
are based on a realisitic assessment of pro-
duction possibilities taking into account
technical and other constraints and, in the
case of Durgapur Steel Plant, the adverse
effect on production of the continuing
disturbed industrial relations situation.

Chinese Communication received through
Sri Lanka

2492. SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI :

SHRI Pi LOO MODI :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the High Commissioner of
Sri Lanka in New Delhi handed over a letter
from the Chines’ Prime Minister to the
Prime Minister of India; and

(b) whether there is any indication that
talks would be held between India and China

to normalise relations between the two
countries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURINDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Biackmarketing in distribution
of Steel to States

2493. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India arc
aware of the fact that biackmarketing is
still going on in the distribution of steel in
various states; and

(b) if so, what measures Goverment
propose to take to check the biackmarketing?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) There is no
statutory control on any item of iron and
steel. However, some reports have been rccei.
ved by the Government about steel materia's
alloted to the actual users and consumers
being sold m the open market.

(b) Regional Offices of the Iron and
Steel Controller have been set up in different
parts of the country and one of their func-
tions is to check misuse of steel.The Iron and
Steel (Control) Order has also been amended
to provide that utilisation of steel for
purpose other than those for which steel is
allocated or applied for is a vocation of the
Control Order and this would attract the
penarprovisions of the Essential Commodi-
ties Act. In investigating such complaints,
the assistance of the C.B I. is also being
taken in suitable cases.

Setting up of a Steel Plant in
Madhya Pradesh

2494. SHRI ARVIND NETAM ;

SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH:

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 132

la) whether Government propose to set
up some more Steel Plants in the country
during the Fifth Five Year Plan period;
and

(b) if so, whether Government purpose
to set up a steel plant in Madhya Pradesh
also ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and
(b) The preparatory work m connection
with the Fifth Plan Steel development pro-
gramme has been taken in hand, ft is too
early to indicate details at this stage. The
locational advantages of suitable sites in
Madhya Pradesh will, however, be kept in
view.

Part-Time Training Programme for
Workers through Industrial
Training Institutes

2496. SHRI P.A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the revised scheme for the
part-time training programme of the exis-
ting workers for upgrading and updating
their practical skill as well as knowledge is
being implemented on a country-wide basis
through Industrial Training Institutes as
recommended by the National Council for
Training in Vocational Trades in November,
1971; and

(b) if not, the reasons for the delay ?

THB MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR) : fa) and (b) Stale Government have
already been requested in April, 1972 to
take necessary steps for the implementation
of the revised Scheme.

Losses to Mining and Allied Machinery
Corporation

2497. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

(b) if so, the reasons thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) MAMC
went into production in 1964-65, and it has
been incurring losses since then. Till the
end of 1971-72, the cumulative loss incu-
rred by the Company amounted to Rs. 36.
42 crores,

(b) The reasons why MAMC has been
incurring continuing losses are:-

(i) serious shortfalls in the anticipated
demand of coal mining equipment
for which the unit was essentially
set up;

(ii) long gestation period for enginee-
ring projects of this nature manu-
facturnig highly sophisticated
equipment;

(in) heavy burden of interest on loans
taken from Government to meet
cash losses; and

(iv) slow build up of production due to
labour problems and mangerial
deficiencies.

Realisation of arrears from Pakistan

2498. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plea-
sed to state;

(a) the particu’ars of amount which.
Pakistan owes to India; and

(b) the steps proposed to be taken to
realise this amount ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The
exact amount of Pakistan's debt on account
of partition and other items has been the
subject of prolonged negotiations with
Pakistan No agreed settlement has, how-
ever, been reached.

(a) whether Mining and Allied machi- (b) The matter will continue to
nery Corporation is undergoing heavy be pursued with the Government of
losses; and Pakistan

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SRAvANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 134

Provision of Jobs to Workers Un-
employed due to Power Crisis
in Gujarat

2499. SHRl PRABHUDAS PATEL
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state:

(a) whether all the workers in Gujarat
who had been rendered job-less during the
power crisis which had foiced so many
nulls to close down have been provided
with jobs;

(b) if not, how many labourers are
still there who have not been provided with
employment;

(d) the steps the Union Ministry is taking
to absorb all the retrenched labourers ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) to (b) The matter falls essentially
in the State spheie.

Communications from African
Countries and Egypt re:

Indo-Pak Summit

2500 SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI :

SHRI M. C. DAGA :

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the African countries in
general and Egypt in particular, have commu-
nicated their feelings to Government after
Indo-Pak Summit in Simla; and

(b) if so, the nature thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR 3
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Yes,
Sir.

(a) The I ndo- Pakistan Summit talks in
Simla have been generally evaluated as a
positive development which will help in the
establishment of durable peace in the sub
continent. Tbe Arab Republic of Egypt has
also expressed, through a personal message
from the UAR President to our Prime

Minister, as also through other channels,
her appreciation of the results achieved, and
of the efforts made by India towards the
establishment of peaceful relations with
Pakistan.

Demands of Workers of Indian Iron
and Steel Co. taken over by
Government

2501. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS

MUNSI :

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state ;

(a) whether workers of the Indian Iron
and Steel Company have placed any demands
before Government after it was taken over
by Government;

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL ANDMINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a)
No, Sir.

(o) and (c) Do not arise.

Compensation to Morena Panjreh Coal Fields

2502. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH ■
Will the MmistCT of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of cases of pay-
ment of compensation are still pending in
regard to Morena Panjreh Coal fields; and

(b) if so, the reasons thereof and the
steps Government propose to take to expedite
payment of compensation ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES(SHRI
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN), (a) and (b)' There
is no coal field known as Morena Panjreh
Coal field in respect of which payment of
compensation is pending, An area of 99.66
acres of tenancy land in village Panjreh and
Madholi was, however, negotiated by
National Coal Development Corporation for
direct purchase from the tenants. All the

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 136

tenants except three executed sale deeds and
payments were made to thelft. Out of the
three remaining tenants, Iwo have now
furnished mutation orders and steps are
being taken to make payments to these two
tenants. Payment to the third tenant would
be made as soon as mutation papers are
eceixed fiom him.

Coal Deposits in Madhya Pradesh

2501. SHR1 RANABAHADUR SINGH:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) the ratio of Coal recently discovered
in the Deori Ujjain region of Sidhi Distict
in Madhya Pradesh and how its quality
compares with coal found in Morena and
Mahadaiya coal fields: and

(b) the extent of this new’y discovered
deposit ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRl SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) As a
result of investigations carried out by the
Geological Survey of India, 26.64 million
tonnes of coal has been estimated in Deori-
Ujjami region of Sidhi district, Madhya
Pradesh. The coal is of inferior Class 111
category. The quality of coal in Moiwa and
Mahadaiya region is Class II to Class III
and is thus slightly better than in Deori
Ujjami region. Coal seam being mind in
Morwa- Mahadaiya region is the Turra seam
with thickness of 6 to 7 metres.

(b) Deori Ujjaini deposit has an arial
extent of 10 sq. kilometres.

Geological Survey of Madhya Pradesh

2504. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) the present state of progress in carry-
ing out a detailed geological survey of Sidhi
and Sarguja Districts in Madhya Pradesh;
and

(b) the broad findings of the present
survey and how long it will take to complete
this survey ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI
SHAH NAWAZ KHAN) (a) and (b) ; Sys-
tematic geological mapping over an area of
250 sq. km has been carried out in Sidhi
district during 1968-69. Systematic mapping
will be continued in Sidhi and also in
Sarguja districts during the field season
1972-73 with a view to study the Bijawars
with special reference to base metal minerali-
sation along the Son Narmada linement.
Pieliminury surveys for sillimanite carried
out near Pipia have not revealed encourag-
ing results. The bauxite occurrances from
Sarguja district viz, at Jarangpai, Sitonga,
Jairampat areas etc. were examined in 1 969-
70. Inferred reserves of about 4 5 million
tonnes have been estimated. Further investi-
gation by pitting is in progress and drilling
in the area will also be taken up.

Geological mapping is expected to be
completed by 1976-77. The mineral investi-
gation is a long range programme and is
expected to continue even in the Fifth Five
Year Plan.

Exploitlon of Sulphur Rich Coal in Assam

2505. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state

(a) whether Government have prep-
ared any plan for the commercial exploit-
ation of sulphur-rich coal of Upper Assam;
and

(b) whether Government propose to
assist pilot plant level fesibility studies of
converting this coal into synthetic crude 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) The
Council of Scientific and Industrial Resea-
rch have proposed the setting up of a
pilot plant at the Centra] Fuel Research
Institute at Jealgora to test the feasibility
of coal to oil conversion technology on
wh ch they have already been conducting
researches for sometime.

(b) The matter is under consideration
between the Council of Scientific & Indus-
trial Research and the Ministry of
Petroleum and Chemicals.

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SRAVANA 26, 1394 (JSAKa)

Written Answer! 138

Cost of Imports

2506. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Win
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased t to
state :

(a) the percentage of various supplier
under the Ministry which are still being
imported and their value in terms of
Indian rupee including freight and customs
duty, if any;

(b) the time by which the Ministry
thinks they shall be able to switch over to

qent-per cent indigenous supplies;

‘ (d) the reasons for the delay ?

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D. R. CHAVAN) (a) the value of the
total purchases the value of the imoorted
stores and the percentage the imported
stores constitute of the total purchases
made during the last three financial years
are as under: —

Year

Value of total
Purchases
(in Rs. crores)

Value of imported
stores

(in Rs. crores)

Percentage the imported
stores constitute of the
total purchases made

1969-70

691.67

267.88

38.34%

1970-71

745 73

227.43

30.50%

1971-72 (Provisional) 1006 58

253.81

25.22%

(b) It is not possible to say when cent-
per-cent switch over tn indigenous supplies
can be achieved.

(c) Although this Department is not
directly concerned with the question of
import substitution, yet all efforts are
being made to locate indigenous sources
of supply for stores which were hitherto
being impoted.

(d) Does not arise in view of th
replies gives to parts (b) and (c) of the
Question.

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AUGUST 17. 1972

Written Answers 140

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14) Written Answers

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAJCA)

Written Answers 142

Industrial Strikes in 1971-72.

2512. SHR1 SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA: Will the Minister of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to
state :

(a) the total number of Industrial strikes
in the country. State-wise, during the year
1971*72; and

(b) the number of workers involved
therein ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR). (a) and (b) : The attached statement
gives the available provisional information
regarding the total number of strikes in the
country. State- wise, and the number of
workers involved in these strikes during
January, 1971 to June, 1972.

Statement

Provisional information t eg ar ding the number of strikes in the country ,
state-wise, during January 1971 to June 1972 and the number of
workers involved in these strikes .

State/Union Number of strikes Number of workers

Territory involved.

1 .

Andhra Pradesh

141

74369

Assam

23853

Bihar

272

91735

Gujarat

172

41662

Haryana

12407

Himachal Pradesh

17b?

Jammu & Kashmii

Kerala

302

2160 3

Madhya Pradesh

207

118724

10.

Maharashtra

982

562202

11.

Manipur

Nil

12.

Mysore

125

48908

13.

Orissa

17957

14.

Punjab

32955

15.

Rajasthan

23416

16.

Tamilnadu

299

143033

17.

Tripura

103

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Written Answers 144

18.

Uttar Pradesh

220

72260

19.

West Bengal

336

256793

20.

Andaman & Nicobar Islands

1257

21.

Chandigarh

499

22.

Delhi

25699

23.

Goa, Daman and Diu

9203

24.

Pondicherry

650

Automation Committee Report

2513. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERMA
SHR1 BHOGENDRA JHA

Will the Minister of LABOUR 4ND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Automation Committee
has since submitted its report; and

(b) if so, its main recomendations ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR). (a) Yes.

(b) Copies of the Report have been
supplied to the Parliament Library.

Strike Notice by H A L. Trade Unions

2514. SHRI M. S. S1VASAMY * Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the representatives of all
the recognised Tiade Unions of HAL comp-
lex in the country gave strike notice to the
managements during the month of July;

(b) whether the talks between the
workers and the management had failed;
and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-

KAR) (a) to (c) : The matter falls in the
State sphere.

Supply or Food to Bangla Desh

251 ^ <;i'RI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) the total qnantity of wheat supplied
to the Government of Bangladesh af er the
lecent Indo-Pak Wai;

(b) the terms and conditions of the
supplies made; and

( c ) the quantity of other foodgrains
supplied to Bangladesh by our Government
since May, 1971 and the cost and the terms
and conditions of such supplies ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and
(b) ; 6,50,000 tonnes of wheat have already
been delivered to Bangladesh as a grant. An
addition?! quantity of 50,000 tonnes of
wheat is being supplied at the instance of
UNROD on payment by them in due course-
Delivery of these additional supplies is ex-
pected to be completed by 25th August,1972.

fc) 1,00 000 tonnes of rice valued at
approximately Rs. 11.24 crores have been
supplied on a grant basis. Furthermore
gifts of rice from international sources which
were originally meant for Bangladesh refu-
gees in India are being diverted to Bangla-
desh and nearly 15,000 tonnes have already
been so diverted.

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Written Answers 146

Indo-Soviet Joint Commission

2516 SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARTEF :
W.II the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) the terms of reference of the propo-’
sed lndo*Soviet Joint Cemmission; and

(b) whether it has sirce bern set up ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURFNDRA PAL SINGH): (a) The
terms of reference of the proposed Inio-
Soviet Joint Commission are shll being nego-
tiated between the two Governments

(b) The Commission will be established
when the agreement is finalised.

Stringent measures for implementation

of Coal Wage Board Recommendations

2517 SHRI C K JAFFER SHAR1EF
Will the Minuter of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided to
take drast c measures against the coal mine
owners who have failed to implement the
payment of wage boa id sca'e, and

(b) if so, the measuies decided to be
taken ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION V SHRI R. K KHADIL-
K\R) : (a) and (b) Yes. Government are
considering proposals to secure imp’ementa-
tion of the recommendations

Publishing of pamphlets in “Guide to Careers'’
series in Regional Languages

2518 SHRI T. S LAKSHMANAN : W'll
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether tl e pamphlets in the “Guides
to Careers” senes are being published
in the regional languages of the country;
and

( b) if so, how many publications have

been published and in what regional
languages ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K- KHAD1L-
KAR): (a) Yes, by some of the States.

(b)

Regional language No. of Publi-
cation

Gujarati

Malayalam

Marathi

Tanvl

Punjabi

(being

published)

In addition, the States of
Ass?m and Orissa have a>so

West Bengal,
taken up the

translation of these publications into Bengali,
Assamese and Onya respectively.

Most of the pamphlets in the ‘Guide to
Careers’ senes have a’ so been publised m
Hindi by the Directorate General of Employ-
ment and Training.

Study tours, fellowships and vocational
training by officials abroad

2519. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : W II
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state ;

(a) the name, designation and location
of two State Government officials who went
on a study tour to the U S.A. sponsored by
the USAID;

(b) the name, designation and locatioo
of four Training Officers of C.T Is. whn
availed of the fellowships under the Labour
M mstry’s training Programme in the USA
for six months;

(c) the name, desigra i<n and location of
two officers who were deputed abroad on
fellowships for a period of three months
under the Project for National Apprentice-
ship; and

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 148

(d) the name, designation and location
of the State Go' eminent cfficer and also
that of the two Officers of D.G.E. & T. who
were deputed to Japan under Colombo Plan
to receive vocational training ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) to (d). The requ red information
is given in the statement attached.

Statement

Information relating to the years 1971
and 1972 is as follows : —

(a) 1. Shri B.B. Patra, Deputy Director

of Industries, Government of Orissa
Cuttack.

2. Shri R.P Sen Gi-pla, Director of
Industries, Government of Tripura,
Agartala.

(b) 1. Shri K.E. Balakrishnan, Training

Officer, Central Training Institute
for Instructors, Madras.

2 Shri P. D. Choudhun, Training
Officer, Central Training Institute
for Instructors, Madras

3. Shri K.S. Arora, Training Officer,
Central Training Institute for
Instructors. Kanpur.

4. Shri H.N. Ahuja, Training Officer,
Central Training Institute for
Instructors, Ludhiana.

Officer, office of the Regional
Director of Apprenticeship Training,
Kanpur

2. Shri R.M. Sinha, Technical Officer,
cffice of the Regional Di lector of
Apprenticeship Training, Kanpur.

(d) l.Shri G. D Oliver, Inspector of

Training, Government of Kerala,
Trivandrum.

2. Sin V. Rnrfkn.'lmr, Training

Officer, Directorate General of Ern-
p oyment and Training, New Delhi.

3. Shri S A.Kelkar, Senior Instructor,
Central Traurng Institute for
Instructors, Bombay.

Officials sent abroad to render Technical
Assistance

2520. SHRI T S. LAKSHMANAN : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) the names and designation of the
officers whose sei vices were placed at the
disposal of the I L. O. Expert Manpower
Planning and I.L.O. High Level Inter Agency
Employment Mission in Iran to render
technical assistance;

(b) the name and designations of the
senior Officers deputed to Singapore under
the Colombo Plan and the Five Junior
Officers deputed to Malays a to lender tech-
nical assistance; and

(c) the names and designations of officers
who amended the Regional Seminar in
Bangkok in January, 1971 tJ.e seminar m
Berlin on the 18th March, 1971 and the 4th
Colloquum on Technical Education and
Training in Manila ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) (i) Shri K.B. Sharma, Diiector o!

Employment Exchanges, Directo-
late General of Employment &
Training, New Delhi (Since
retired'.

(ii) Shri P. Sengupta, Deputy Direc-
tor of Employment Exchanges,
Directorate General of Emplo)-
ment and Training, New Delhi.

(b) Shri B.N. Guha Biswas, Principal,
Central Training Institute for
Instructors, Kanpur — Deputed to
Singapore under Technical Co-
t operation Scheme of the Colombo

Plan.

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Written Answers 150

Shri S.C. Paul, Junior Instructor, Central Training
Institute for Instructors, Calcutta.

Shri D. Thomas Sc 11a raj, Senior Master, Central
Training Institute tor Instructors, Hyderabad.

Shri K. Vasudevan Na'r, Supervisory Instructor,
Government of Kerala, Trivandrum.

Shri D. N. Chakravarty, Supervisor Instructor,
Industrial Training 1 stitute (Delhi Administration)
Pusa, New Delhi.

| Deputed to Malaysia
| under the Indian
y Technical and Econo-
| mic Cooperation
j Program ne.

Shri H D Manocha, Supervisor Instiuctor, |
Industrial Training Institute (Delhi Administration, {
Shahadara, Delhi. J

( c ) : Regional Seminar in Bangkong in January,^ Shri Ishwar Chandra, Director
1971. j General of Employment and

j Training and Joint Secretary

Seminar in Berlin in March, 1971. J to the Government of India.

4th Colloquium on Technical Education Col. S G Pendse, Director of
and Training in Manila in March, y Training, Directorate General
1971. J of Employment and Training,

Nev Delhi.

Address by Secretary, Ministry of External

Affairs regarding Simla Agreement

2521. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Secretary of the
Ministry of External Affairs recently
addressed a public gathering at the India
International Centre on Simla Agreement;

(b) whether in that meeting he said
that what leaders of Pakistan said were not
important but what they did were of con-
cern for us;

(d) whether the Secretary of the Minis-
try of External Affairs had been given
permission to address a public gathering ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). Foreign Secretary was
asked whether President Bhutto’s words
could be relied upon and whether he would
faithfully implement the Simla Agreement.

The Foreign Secretary had replied that the
Simla Agreement was a so’emn agreement
signed by the Heads of two sovereign
governments and not by two individuals.
H^ had also stated that the success of the
Agreement would depend upon the spirit
and the manner in which the provisions of
it we^e implemented and that Pakistan
should be judged by her deeds rather than
by the utterances in the Pakistan National
Assembly. This is also the official view of
the Government.

(d) Yes, Sir

Deposits of Bauxite Ores in Chhotanagpur

2523. KUMARl KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether deposits of bauxite ores
are available in heavy quantity in Chhcta-
nagpur; and

(b) if so, whether survey report of the
Chhotanagpur regarding bauxite ores will
be laid on the Table of the House ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b).
Large deposits of bauxite are available in

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Ranchi and Palamau districts of Chhita-
nagpur Division of Bihar. The Geological
Survey of India had earned out a prelimi-
nary assessment of the Bauxite deposits of
Chhotanagpur area of Bihar in 1943-47 aid
results of survey have been published in
GSI Memoir Volume No. 85 (1958) and in
GSI Bulletin No 25(1965). The detailed
exploration of bauxite deposits have been
taken up m three deposits in Ranchi
district since 19 9 and a preliminary survey
in the Jamirapat area in South Western
part of Palamau district. The work is in
progress and reports will be prepared after
exploration is completed.

Violation of Provident Fund rule by big
Business Houses

2524. KUMARI KAMLA KUMART :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
appoint a Comm'Uec of Members ol Parlia-
ment to examine all the concerns of Sahu
Jain, Tata, Birla Industries and all concerns
of 20 Big Business Houses to see whether
they have not violated the Rules of Provi-
dent Fund; and

(b) if no', the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) The Provident Fund Authori-
ties have reported that there is no such
proposal under consideration.

(b) No circumstances justifying consti-
tution of a Committee have b:cn brought
to the notice of Provident Fund Authori-
ties.

Employment and Unemployment in Bihar

2525. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(b) the total number of unemployed
persons registered with the employment
exchanges ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) The available information is
given in the statement attached.

(b) Th^ number of job seekers (not all
necessarily unemployed) on the live register
of the Employment E\changes in Bihar as
on 30th June 1972 was 5,46,033.

Statement

(a) According to the information
oollected through the Employment Market
Information p.ogramme of the Directorate
General of Employment and Training the
number of persons employed in Government
service and semi-Government Service
(Central and State) in Bihai was as under :

Sector Number of persons

employed
(in thousands)

as on 31st December
1971 (P)

Central Government

191 7

State Govern pent

266.9

Quasi Government*

245.3

Local Bodies

154.4

Total

: 858.3

Hostels for Central and

Regional

Labour Institutes

2526. SHRI B^NAMALl PATNA IK :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
EHAB1L1TATION be pleased to state :

(a) the total working population of (a) whether Hostels were constructed

Bihar who arc either in Government service for the Central and Regional Labour Insti-
and semi-Government Service under Central tuies at Bombay, Calcutta, Madras and
and State Governments; and Kanpur under veJV ambitious plan projects;

(P) Provisional.

• Quasi-Government establishments comprise both Central-Quasi and State-Quasi
establishments.

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Written Answers 154

(b) whether these hostels are hardly
being used for want of any regular planned
programme for training if so, whether any
steps have been taken to fix any responsi-
bility for incurring such unnecessary and
infructuous expenditure,

(c) whether there are any plans under
whch either these hostels are fully used and
put to profitable plans Or simply sold to
public to fetch market prices; and

(d) the total expenditure incurred so
far for construction, ma ntenance and other
equipments and the amount so far recovered
as rents ?

(d)

(i) Hostel attached
to the Central
Labour
Institute,

Bombay.

(li) Hostel attached
to the Regional
Labour Institute,
Calcutta.

(m) Hostel attached
to the Regional
Labour Institute,
Madias.

(iv) Hostel attached
to the Regional
Labour Institute,
Kanpur.

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K. KHADIL-
K^R):(a) to (c). Hostels for the Central
Labour Institute, Bombay and the three
Regional Labour Institutes at Calcutta,
Madras and Kanpur have been constructed
under Plan schemes to provide residential
facilities to the participants of training
programmes, seminars, conferences, etc
being otgantsed by these institu es. These
hostels are being utilised by the participants
of training programmes, etc. and efforts
are being made to arrange more residential
programmes to ensure better utilisation of
the hostels. As such the questions of fixing
responsibilities for incurring expenditure
on their construction or their being sold to
public do not arise at piesent.

Construction

Cost

Cost of
Furnishing

Rent realised
(up-to-date)

5,35,000

<Upto

June 1972)

1,18,000

6,191 (From
March 1972
to date).

5,00,000

(appx.)

39,030

Rs.1532

5,00,000
(appx )

46,500

30,287

5,00,000

(appx.)

26,000

Rs.2400

Trained Central Industrial Relations
Machinery Officers on deputation

2527. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK:
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state:

(b) whether there has been mani-fold
increase in the strength of the Industiial
Relations Machinery during the last ten
eyars;

(b) whether a large number of C.I R.
M. Officers have had the privilege of under-
going various trainings inside the country
as well as abroad;

(c) whether a number of such trained as
well as untrained officers have gone on
deputations, if so, the number of persons
on deputation and the extent to which it is
advisable to allow such deputations beyond
a certain point say ten per cent cf the
posts; and

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Written Answers 156

(d) the specific steps proposed to be
taken to ensure that services of such officers
are properly utilised by the C. 1. R. M.

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION fSHRI R. K KHAD1L-
KAR) : (a) Consistent with the increase in
work load there has been expansion in the
strength of Central Industrial Relations
Machinery during the last ten years;

(b) Officers of Central Industrial Rela-
tions Machinery along with other officers
a~e considered and deputed for training both
inside and also outside the country, as and
when necessary.

(c) and (d) . Twentyone Central Indus-
trial Relations Machinery Officers constitu-
ting 10 24% of the cadre strength of the
Central Industrial Relations Machinery are
on deputation to ex-cadre posts under the
Government or Public Sector Undertakings.
The services of the Central Industrial
Re'ations Machinery Officers are properly
utilised.

Transfers in Central Industrial Relations
Machinery

25~8. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Officers of the Central
Industrial Relations Machinery are generally
posted at one place for a definite term of
three years;

(b) whether there is no uniformity in
this regard and a number of Officers are
posted in Delhi for more than three to five
years; and

(c) the number of' Officers who have
not so far been posted outside Delhi even
for a short spell of three years and the
steps taken to ensure that there is some
uniformity at all levels for some time ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) The field officers of the Central
Industrial Relations Machinery are nor-
mally kept at one place for about three
years;

(b) The practice referred to at (a)
above would strictly not be applicable
to the Officers posted in Chief Labour
Commissioner’s Headquarters Office, New
Delhi;

Appointments and promotions in Ministry
oi Labour and Rehabilitation in
public interest

2529. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK :
Will the Ministei of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of ad hoc
appointments and promotions have been
nude in various offices under the Ministiy
to meet the public Interest and by passing
the normal rules of appointments and pro-
motions; and

(b) the positive steps being taken to
reduce such cases of ad hoc appointments
and promotions and thus to reduce dis-
contentment among the staff so adversely
affected ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) and (b). The required infor-
mation for the period from 1.7.71 to 30.6 72
is being collected and will be laid on the
Tabic of Sabha in due course.

Merger of Research Units in Department
of Labour and Employment

2530. SHRI P.' VENKTASUBBAIAH ;
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Department of Labour
and Employment and its various Attached
and Subordinate Offices have established
Research Units, if so, the purpose of the
Labour Bureau;

(b) whether the desirability of merging
various research units to coordinate their
activities and reduce overlappings and dupli-
cation of work has been considered; and

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Written Answers 158

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL
KAR1 : (a) to (c). The Labour Bureau is
mainly engaged in the collection and compi-
lation of labour statistics and other related
studies covenng working conditions, wages,
industrial disputes etc. Some of the oih t
organisations under the department also
from time to time take up studies of prob-
lems relevant to their fields of competence.
Caie is taken to ensure that there is no
overlapping or duplication of effort.

Industrial Relations Machinery

2 31 SHRI P. VENKTASUBBAIAH *
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the State Industrial Rela-
tions Machineiy is handling a number of
industrial disputes in the State sphere and
the work is being done quite competently;

(b) whether the same machiner is
capable of handling the matters falling m
the Central sphere; if so, the necessity of
maintaining two sets of Industrial Labour
Machineries;

(c) whether the existence of two sepa-
rate machineries docs cause over lapping of
j risdiclion under certain labour laws and
the machineries can be merged to obtain all
economies and for uniformity of enforce-
ment; and

(d) whether the Central Government
has obtained the views of the States in the
matter; if so, with what result ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
RE H ABII ITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) Yes;

(b) No, Sir;

(c) and (d). There is no overlapping of
jurisdiction in the two spheres. This was
examined at* length by the National Commi-
ssion on Labour and they have not recom-
mended the merger of the two machineries.
As a result, the question of consulting the
State Governments on this matter does not
arise.

Indian Institute of Labour Studies

2532. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE-
HABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) w' ether the Indian Institute of

Labour Studies has been in existence for
more than eight years providing training
facilities to the persons in the field of

ldboui; if so, the number of persons trained
and the expenditure incurred so far on run-
ning the institute;

(b) whether services of field officers

without adequate academic qualifications
and experience have been utilized to impart
training and no teaching faculty has emeiged
out of the working of the institute for the
last eight years so far; and

undertake proper evaluation of the working
of the present Institute before elevating it
to the proposed National Labour Institute
as no critical study or proper evaluation of
the working of the Institute has been done
so far ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) * (a) The Indian Institute of Labour
Studies (formerly the Central Institute for
Training in Industrial Relations has been
in existence for nearly 8 vears 628 officers
have been trained in the Institute <md an
expenditure of Rs. 22,06.542 /- has been
incurred in the running of the Institute,
uptil 30.4 1972;

(b) Services of the officers of rhe
Industrial Relations Machinery with ade-
quate field experience m labour adminis-
tration are utilised for imparting -training in
the Institute. This is in keeping with its
function, i.e. imparting in service t a ning;

National Labour Institute

2533. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBIALH ;
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

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Written Answers 160

(a) whether the National Labour Insti-
tute is being set up as an autonomous body,
if so, the main purpose of the proposed
institute;

(b) whether there are already a number
of well organise institutions in the country
to cater to the needs proposed to be served
by the said institute; and

(c) if so, whether Government piopove
to pool the existing resources in public? as
well as private sections to run the National
Labour Institute instead of starting an
absolutely new institute ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) (a) : The National Labour
Institute has been registered as a Society
under the Societies Registration Act with a
view to providing for education, training,
Study and Kseaich in labour subjects.

(b) and (c). There is no well-o gam ed
Institution in the country which caters to
all the needs and objects to be served by
this Institute The Institute will inter alia
collaborate with other institutions mteies-
ted in similar obiects and will also promote
and coordinate research through its own or
other agencies, including Universities and
other institutions of standing.

Recommndation of Committee on Automa-
tion that no Comupters shouid beinsta-
lled except by Agreement

2534. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA ■ Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to stale :

(a) when Government propose to take
a decision on the recommendations of the
Dandekar Committee regarding computcri-
setion and automation;

(b) whether the Committee has unani-
mously made a recommendation that no
computer should be installed except by
agreement: and

fc) if so, whether Government has
advised all employers not to proceed with
their computerisation plans until Govern-
ment take a final decision?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADLI-
KAR) : (a) to (c). The Committee has
recommended that — “all use of computers
by commercial and industrial eslablish-
mentes, whether by resort to the computer
centre facilities or by installation of in-
house computers should be subject to a prior
agreement with the workers.” The Report is
under examination by the Government. Pen-
ding Government decision on the recomm-
endations, the model Agreement to guide
employers on Rationlaisation, stipulating
prior consultation with the unions, will
operate.

Requirements of Iron and Steel in
States

2535. SHRI P NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be p’eased to state :

(a) to what extent the current year’s
requirements of iron and steel is being made
available to the d.lTerent States;

(b) whether there has been a dispropor-
tionately heavy curtailment in supplies to
Andhra Pradesh; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and
(b). Under the present distnbution system
there are no statewise allocations of
iron and steel. Allocations of Steel are
regulated by the Steel Priority Committee
after taking into account the end use for
which steel is required, the avails bi Ly
and competing demands. In view of this the
question of curtailment in supplies to
Andhra Pradesh does not arise.

Setting up of a Spong Iron Plant
In Andhra Pradesh

2536. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) what steps have been , taken to set

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Writ taw Answer 162

up a sponge-iron plant in Andhra Pradesh;
and

(b) whether in view of the g uv\ing shor-
tage of iron and steel, Government propose
to expedite this proposal ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWA7. KHAN) : (a) and

(b). The question presumably iefers to the
proposal of the Andhra Pradesh Industial
Development Corporation to set up a Demo
nstra.ion Plant at Khainmun for the
production of 30 000 tonnes of Spcn e non
per annum This is under consideiation.

Aerial Survey of Hard Rock

25 ' 7. SHRI I-IARI K'SHORE S'NGH :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to s'dte :

(a) the achievement so far made in
rega:d to the operating of hard rock in the
country, and

(b) whether Government propose to
undeitake any ae ml survev with the colla-
boration of some foreign country and if so,
the name of suJi fore gn country and the
lei ms thereof ?

THE MINISTER OFSTVTE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The
ground follow up work carried out on the
aeroanomaly intercepts thrown up by
‘Operation Ha drock’ have lCsulted in the
emergence of two copper piospects in Rija-
sthan and one in Bihar and two prospects
of lead z re mine alisation one each in
Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh. Detailed
investiations are in pi ogress to assess
their commercial posibi lit es.

(b) Another programme of multi-ins-
trument airborne geoph>sical surveys was
launched in June, I9 7 l, in collaboration
with BUREAU DE RECHERCHES GEOLO-
GIQUES AND MINIERES. (BRGM), Paris,
a French Government orgamsati n Under
this programme, selected areas In Rajas-
than Gujarat. Madhya Pradesh, Maha-
rashtra and Mysore were covered, aggre-
gating a total coverage of over 80,000 sq.
kn.s. which involved production flying of

nearly 143,000 line km. The survey has
jut been competed mf ground follow up
work will commence shortly. There is no
proposal befoie the Government at present,
for any other aerial survey in collaboration
with any foreign countiy,

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Jobbery in organised sectors

of Employment

2540. SHRl B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government aic aware of
malpractices like jobbery which are ram-
pant in organised sectors of employment
like schools, colleges and economic bodies
like co-operatives;

(b) whether any investigation has been
made or caused by Government into the
malpractices in regard to employment inclu-
ding recruitment;

(c) the steps Government propose to
take to rationalise these procedures to
afford equality of opportunity for all the
citizens in the country and to prevent such
malpract ces; and

(d) whether any investigation team is
proposed to be appoimed in this connec-
tion ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR): (a) No. However, spec'fic complaints
relating to employment under Government
are looked into and action taken where
necessaty.

(b) to (d). Do no* arise.

Period of waiting for getting
employment after registra-
tions with Employment
Exchange.

2541. SHRI B V. NAIK; Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHA BI LI-
TATION be pleased to sta’e:

(a) the average number of years that an
unemployed person has to wait on the
register of District Employment Exchange
before he finds a job; and

(b) whether this waT-ns period has been
lengthening or shortening in the past three
years ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHKI R K. FCHADIL-
KAR) : (a) and (b). The information sought
for is not available However, the available
infoimation rela* ing to the numbers and
period for which job seekers have been on
the Live Register of the Emp’oymcnt
Exchanges is given in the statement
attached.

Statement

Year

Number on Live Register according to period
(as at the end of Sep'ember of each year)

Total

Less than
one year.

1 year cr
more but
le^s than

2 years.

2 yeais

or more

but less
titan

3 years.

3 yen s
or more.

1969

21,01,580

7,28,471

3,46,084

2.49,123

34,25,258

1970

24,27,936

8,52,644

4,18,468

2,87,183

39,86,231

1971

26,79,420

11,44,388

5,78,038

5,27,482

49,29,328

165 Written 4nswers

SR A VAN A 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 166

10th Report of Committee on Review of

Rehabilitation Work in West Bengal

25*2. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI : Will the M-nister of LABOUR
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to
state :

fa) whether the Committee on Review
of Rehabilitation Work in West Bengal in
its 10th Report has proposed that the
Central Government should give special
assistance for developing fish'ng areas in
We«f Bengal for the benefit of the nartia’lv
rehabilitated displaced persons from former
East Pakistan; and

(b) if so, the action so far taken by
Government to implement the proposal 9

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The report is being examined in
consultation with the authorities concerned.

Consultation of Geologists and Hydro-Geolo-
gists regarding transfer of Functions
of Geological Survey of India

25*3. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI : Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government consulted the
Geologists and Hydro-Geologists while
taking a final decision to transfer some of
the important functions of the Geological
Survey of India, Calcutta, to other bodies;
and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and
(b). The Geologists and the Hydro-geolo-
gists of the Geological Survey of India
were not consulted before taking the decision
to transfer the Ground Water Division to
the Central Ground Water Board and to
set up a Mineral Exploration Corporation in
the Public Sector.

For sometime Past, Government have
been considering the question of reorgani-
sing the Geological Survey of India so as

to make it more efficient in the discharge of
its functions. . The Committee
on Organisation of Scientific Research
(COSR) examined the activities, functions
and organisational structuie of Geological
Survey of India and made certain recommen-
dations in this regard. These recommen la-
t<ons which were subsequently considered
by the Committee on Science and Techno-
logy, became the basis for the Government
decision to merge the Ground Water Wing
of Geological Survey of India with the
Central Ground Water Board of the Minist-
ry of Agriculture and to set up a Mineral
Exploration Corporation in the public
sector to unde take the work of detailed
exploration of minerals in the country.

Printing of Geological maps of India
in Hyderabad

2544. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI be pleased to state :

(a) whether the printing of Geological
Maps of India is proposed to be done in
Hyderabad while the Cartographic Section
of Geological Survey of India will remain
in Calcutta: and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINcS
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) The decision to locate the printing
press at Hyderabad was taken after exami-
ning all the relevant factors the most
important of wh ch being the facili y io
have mutual consultation with the Su:vey
of India Press located there.

Collow-UP action taken after Lusaka
Conference

2545. SHRI DINESH SINGH . Will
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Heads of Governments
and Heads of States meeting of non-aligned
countries held in Lusaka required any
follow-up action; and

(b) if so, what follow-up has been dore
by India so far ?

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 168

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL

AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL
SINGH) (a) Follow-up action was in general
called for in the Declaration of Peace,
Independence, Development, Cooperation
and Democratization of International
Relations adopted at Lusaka. S:milar action
was a’so envisaged in the Lusaka Declarati-
on on Non-alignment and Econorr c prog-
ress, the Statement on the United Nations,
the General Resolution on Decolonization,
the Resolution on Namibia, the Declaiation
on Disarmament, etc.

(b) Efforts hre been made by India to
reflect the consensus armed at in Lusaka
in the various international forums in which
she participates.

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Refund of provident Fund after 20 years
of service

2548. SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANK1 :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Govenment are aware
of the demand by Labour Associations
for refund of Employees' Provident
Fund after 20 years of service to the
labourers; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government to
this demand ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHAD1LK.AR) : (a) The National Labour
Organisation, Ahmedabad has represented
that Prov dent Fund accumulations might
be paid to the members of the Employees
Provident Fund after 20 years of service
and members seeking repayment might also
be allowed to continue as membeis without
any qualifying period.

(b) The proposal is under consideration.

Bonus Demand by Municipal Corporation
Employees

2549. SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANKI :
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION be pleaded to state :

(a) whether Government a-e of the fact
that the employees m the administration of
Municipal Corporation and Lo.al Self-
Government have raised demand for boru>
<chem?, for workers as in the textiles anl
other factories; and

(b) the reaction of Government to give
bo; us to such employees ?

THF MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) : (a) Some demands to this
effect have come to the notice of Govern-
ment.

(b) Government have no intention at
present of amending the Payment of Bonus
Act to cover these employees.

Implementation of Recommendations
of Second Conference on Safety
in Mines

2550 SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will
the Minisiter of LABOUR AND REHA-
BILITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether certain recommendations
made in the Second Conference on Safety
in Mines held in 1966 have not so far taken
concrete shape and have not been imple-
mented;

(b) if so, the b/oad outlines of the
recommendations;

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SRAVANA 26, !»4 (SAKA)

Written Answers 170

(d) the steps proposed to be taken in
the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR): (a) to (d). A statement giving the
information is laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library See No. LT —
3409/72]

Registered members of Coal
Mines Provident Fund

2551. SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) the numb r of registered members
of the Coal Mines Provident Fund as on the
31st December, 1971;

(b) the number of live members;

(d) the steps taken by Government to
increase the number of live members and
the outcome thereof?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR): The Coal Mines Provident Fund
authorities have reported as under: —

(a) 13,19*918.

(b) 3.70,590.

(c) The registered membership denotes
the total number of workers enrolled as
members of Fund excluding those who have
already withdrawn their provident fund,
whereas the live membership denotes the
number of members who have been actually
contributing duiing the currency period.
Reasons for the difference between the two
figures are as follows : —

(i) Members who have ceased to be
employed and who have claimed
their refund but whose claims are
still pending are included in the
registered membership but not in
the live membership ;

(ii) Members who have ceased to be
employed but have not so far
claimed refund of thfiif provident
fund are included in the registered
membership but not in the live
membership ;

(lii) An old member who, on transfer to
another coal mine does not dis-
close his pievious membership is
allotted a fresh account number
and is treated as a new member.
The registered membership etc
includes such duplicate/trip! icatc
account numbers of some of the
live members.

(d) 1. The following steps have b'en

taken to increase live membership of the
Fund

(U Special investigation in coal mines
where membership of the fuid is
disproportionately low in compari-
son to their respective employ-
ment strength has been taken upto
detect evasion m the matter of
enrolment of new members.

(u) Inspectors of the Coal Mines Pro-
vident Fund have been notified as
Inspectors for the purposes of
section 48 of the Indian Mines Act,
1952 so that they may exercise
more thorough checks over atten-
dance recoids to prevent evasions
in enrolment.

(lii) A suggestion made by the Adm -
nistrative Reforms Department that
the qualifying period of 4t r /60 days
should be counted from the date
a person joins colliery service for
the first time and should be deemed
to have completed at the end of
the month in which the total atten-
dance rises to the prescribed level
is under consideration.

2. As a result of steps already taken,
live membership of the Fund is increasing.

Leave and Finanbibl assistance to
Sick Coal Miners

2552. SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will the
Min ster OF LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 172

(a) whether diseases like Pneumoconeois,
silicosis are occupational diseases contracted
by local miners by working in the mines
but they are not given leave with pay by the
mine owners for treatment for these diseases;

(b) whether Government have made
any arrangement to give financial assistance
to the workers for undergoing treatment;
and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) Pneumoconiosis and silicosis
are occupational diseases. No special leave
with wages is allowed under Mines Act for
their treatment. However, annual leave with
wages, as admissible, can be availed of for
the purpose as well.

(b) No. Miners affected by the*e disea-
ses are, however, entitled to free treatment
from the Hospitals of the Mines Labour
Welfare Fund Organisations.

(cj Does not arise.

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179 Written Answers

SRAVANA It, 1894 [SAKA)

Written Answers 174

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Grievances of Trade Apprentices

2555. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI-
LITATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the genuine grievances of Trade Apprenti-
ces on the score of nonab sorption in
-egular employment after comoletion of
heir apprenticeship periods, inadequacy of

.stipends, and irregularity in payment of
stipends;

(b) whether in view of the acute unem-
ployment situation. Government propose to
ensure job opportunities for such trained
apprentices; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. K.HAD1L-
KAR) : (a) and (b). Under the Appren-

tices Act, 1%1, it is not obligatory on the
pait of the employer to offer employment
to the apprentices on completion of app en-
ticeship training. However, majority of the
successful apprentices find jobs aftei comp-
letion of training though not necessarily all
in the same establishment in which they
have been trained It is expected that the
number of job opportunities will increase
substantially as a result of the implementa-
tion of the development schemes under the
Fourth Plan and the special employment
piogrammes started since 1970-71,

The queslion of lucrease in the
rates of stipend was considered and the
same have been increased by Rs. 20/-p. m.
m all cases in August, 1971. No complaints
of inadequacy of stipends have been received
thereafter. The stipends to apprentices by
the 10th of each month and no eomplaints
regarding irregularity in payment have be i
received.

(c) It is proposed to amend the Appren-
tices Act, 1961 so as to bring within
its purview engineering graduates and dip-
loma holders, to provids reservation of
training places for Scheduled Caste and
Scheduled Tribe candidates and to remove
ceitain practical difficulties faced in the
actual implementation of the Act.

Non -celebration of Republic Day by Indian
Commission at Hong Kong

2556. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether no function to celebrate
the Republic Day on January 26th, 1972
was held by the Indian Commission at
Hong Kong resulting in discontent amo-g
the Indian citizens there;

(b) if so, the icasons for the non-
observance of this National Day; and

matter ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)
Republic Day on 26th Jamnrv, 19/2, was
celebrated by the Indian Commission at
Hong Kong. As a measure of economy,
no public Reception was he’d However, a
seminar on the subject “India as I see it"
was organised by the India Association with
the assistance of the Commission.

(b) Does not arre.

Closure of Indian Libraries in Nepal

2557 SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) the total numbei of tcadng rooms
a^d ’ibiar es which India is maintaining in
Kathmandu and other parts of Nepal;
and

(b) the number of libraries and read-
ing rooms closed down there ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER T N THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a)
The total number of libraries being main-

175 Written Answers

AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers * 176

tained by India in Nepal wtos six. Out of
them, one is located in Kathmandu and five
were in other parts of Nepal namely,
Pokhra, Dhankuta, Nepalganj, Palpa and
Birganj. No reading room is being main-
tained by India anywhere in Nepal.

(b) The five libraries maintained at
Pokhra, Dhankuta, Nepalganj, Palpa and
Birganj have been closed down.

Condition of Public Sector Aluminium
Projects

7558. SHR1 PK. DEO : Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state :

(e) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn to a report published
in the Economic Times of the 22nd June,
1972 stating that the public sector alumini-
um projects are in a muddle; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) The public sector aluminium pro-
jects are not in a muddle as made out in
the report.

Seminar of Employment

2559 SHRI M.M. JOSEPH : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether any seminar on employ-
ment was held in July, 1972 in New Delhi;

(b) if so, the nature of discussions
held; and

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL-
KAR) : (a) Government are not aware of
any such seminar.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Unemployed Graduates from Delhi Rural
Areas registered with Employment
Exchanges

2560. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the

Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Graduates coming
from Rural areas of Delhi who have
got their names registered with the Employ-
ment Exchanges in Delhi as on the 30th
June, 1972; and

(b) how many of them have been pro-
vided with suitable services ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL-
KAR) ■ fa) and (b). Information in respect
ol graduates coming from Rural areas k
not available separately. However, the
information about the total number of
registered job-seekers is given below :

1. Total number of graduates
(including Post-graduates)
on the Live Rcg.ster as on

30lh June, 1972. .. 22. 51

2. Total number of graduates
(including Post-graduates)
placed in employment
during January to June,

1972. 1,169

Increase in Prices of Steel by Firms
Manufacturing Special Type
of Steel

2561. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether it has come to th? notice
of Government that some firms who are
manufacturing special types of steel are
ai bi trarily raising the prices every six
months; and

(b) if so, the steps Government pro-
pose to take to stop this ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b).
Prices of alloy and special steels are not
controlled in order to encourage and deve-
lop their production in the country.

Representative Meeting of Public and
Private Sector Firms at Ranchi

2562. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHUR Y :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleasd to state :

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SR WAN A 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 178

(a) whether the problems pertaining to
the manufacture of equipments for the steel
industry were discussed at a represen tat- ve
meeting of public and private sector firms
at Ranchi on the 29th July, 1972;

(b) if so, the discussions held and
decisions arrived at; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) The discussion, inter-ahu , related
to maximization of indigenous production
of plant and equipment manufacture in a
coordinated and concerted manner, to meet
the futuie requirements of steel production,
standardization of equipment, import sub-
stitution, cooidination between steel plants,
HEC and private sector manufacturing
units.

(c) It has been decided that a Cell
should be constituted by HEC to coordinate
preparation of tenders, undertake inspections
and monitor piogress of manufacture of
equipment. It has also b^en decided that
manufacturing drawings would he made
available by HEC to the various units and
for this purpose, assistance of the two mam
Engineeiing Associations in the countiy
would be taken.

Transfer of Ropeways Scheme under Coal
Board to Bharat Coking Coal

2563. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM

KAKODKAR :

SHRI SHR1K1SHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
that the two Ropeways Scheme in the Jharia
coalfield which are under the charge of the
Coal Board are to be transferred to Bharat
Coking Coal; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b).

There is a proposal far transfer of ‘D’ &
*F* Ropeways to the Bharat Coking Coal
Ltd. as send from these Ropeways is mostly
consumed by the collieries under them.

Nationalisation of Tata Iron and Steel
Company

2564. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM

KAKODKAR :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
nationalise Tata Iron and Steel Company;
and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THF. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Taking over of Coal Washeries by Bharat
Coking Coal

2565. SHRI P.M. MEHTA :

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
that Bharat Coking Coal will take over four
coal washeries which were hitherto under
the charge of Hindustan Steel Limited;
and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI 'SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) t (a) Yes,
Sir

(b) As a result of one of the recom-
mendations made by the Technical
Committee on Coal Washeries (1972) that
with the nationalisation of coking coal
mines, there should be a bet er coordination
in the functioning of the coal production
and coal washing units, it was felt that for
efficient functioning, washeries should be
owned and managed by the collieries them-
selves.

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AUGUST 17, 1972

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Recommendation of NatioftHl Commit lee
of Science and Technology to coost
Steel Production in Durgapur

'2566. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI :

Wi'l the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whedvr Pilot plan in Durpapur to
boost *fee' production has been recommen-
ded by the Nat ona 1 Committee on Science
and Techro T ogv; and

(b) if so, how for this plan will help
to boost the steel production ?

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No,
Sn.

(b) Does rot arise.

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Supply of Goods by Small Scale
Industries to DGS St D

2568. SHRI SATPAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased state :

(a) the number of small scale industries
registered with the Directorate General of
Supplies and Disposals as on the 30rh June,
1972, for the supply of goods to the Central
Government;

(b) the total quantity of goods procured
by the Directorate General of Supplies and
Disposal* indigenously during the last three
years upto 30th June, 1972;

(d) the steps Government propose to take
to entourage the small scale mdustries and
cooperative un»ts in the master of procure-
ment of their products 9

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI
D R CHAVAN) . (a) As in the 30th, June
1972, 8*1 small scale units were registered
with the DGS & D.

(b) and (ci. I formation on value of
purchases from 1st April, J972 to 30th June,
1972 is not yet availabel. However, the total
purchases made f»om the indigenous
sources during the last three years ending
31st March, 1972, together with the percen-
tage of purchases made from small Scale
Industries, are furnished below : —

Total value of

Peicentage of

stoies indigen-

purchases

ously purchased.

from SSI Units.

1969-70

Rs. 430.79 croies

7.4J%

1970-71

Rs. 518.30 cro es

8 22%

1971-72

Rs. 752.77 crorcs

11.44%

(d) Directorate General of Supplies &
Disposals makes purchases on the basis of
the lowest technically acceptable offers after
calling for ccmpetitive quotations. With
view to encourage the small scale industries,
in the case of certain items where offers are
received both from large scale units as well
as small scale units, t.'ie small scale units

1$1 Written Answers

SR WAN A 26, 1894

Wrilen Answers 182

are accorded an appropriate price preference
upto a maximum of 15% on tender to
tender basis, the actual quan'um of prefe-
rence being decided on the merits of each
case. Taking into consideration the nature
of sto es and capability of small scale units
to successfully handle them, 192 items as
psr statemnet laid on the Teb’e of the
Hous ^(Placed in Library See No. LT34 10/72),
have been exclusively reserved for purchase
from the small scale industries Other thihgs
being equal, cooperative units in the small
scale sector are given preference over o f her
small scale units.

Production in Indian Iron and Steel
Company

2569. SHRI S. R. DAMAN! :

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether, after Government’s take
over of IISCO, studies have been made of
the pcoblems which caused a steep fall in
its production, and

(b) if so, the main features thercsof and
the remedial measure^, adopted to step up
production to normal levels ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir. It was found that the mimed ate p;obl-
ems hamparmg pioduction in IISCO were
(a) shortage of coke and coke oven
out of unsatisfactory state gas arising
of coke ovens, (b) bad condition of
cranes and ground-chargers in the S.M.S.

(b) For immediate improvement of
production, arrangements are being made
for procurement of coke from other produ-
cers. Arrangements for the use of furnace
oil in different production units in substitu-
tion of gaseous fuels is being expedited.
Procurement of engineering spares and
equipment is being arranged for on a top
priority basis. Arrangements have also been
made to procure steel ingots from Durgapur
Steel Plant to utilise the Rolling Mill
capacities at Bumpur. Coal Tar is being
obtained from the Durgapur Projects Ltd.,

the Djrgapur Steel Plant and the Bokaro
Steel Plant to step up steel production at
Bumpur.

No 5 coke Oven Battery, which was
shut d iwn years ago, has been put into
operation with effect from 20-7-72. This has
resulted in the additional production of
about 200 tonnes of Blast Furnace Coke per
day and has added somewhat to the avai-
lability of Goke Oven Gas and Coal Tar.

Other measures that have been taken to
increase production to normal level are the
following : —

(0 Emergency and hot repairs to No.
7, 8 and 9 Coke Oven Batteries.

(u) Revival of No. 6 Coke Oven
Battery at present shut down, soon
after No. 5 Battery starts perform-
ing satisfactorily.

Iiii) Arrangements have been finalised
for procurement of 2 Boilers to
eliminate the chiomc shortage of
steam m the Bumpur Works.

(iv) Additional Locemotives are being
obtained to facilitate the traffic
arrangements within the Woaks.

(v) Steps are being taken for renovation

of oven Machines.

^vi) Steps are being taken for recondi-
tioning of cranes and other equi-
pment

(vii) Arrangements are being made for
the expeditious procurement of
additional Bulldo?ers, Loaders,
Dumpers etc.

Supply of raw material to Bokaro
Steel Plant

2570 SHRI MURASOLI MARAN :
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state :

(a) whether a Committee of officers has
been set up recently to enquire into the
question of short supply of raw materials to
the Bokaro Steel plant; and

(b) if so, the major findings and reco-
mmendations of the Committee ?

183 Written Answers

AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers 184

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) :

(a) A Committee was set up by the
Government in October, 1971 to :

(i) review the arrangement for the
supply of ijon ore to Bokaro Steel
plant, as an interim measure and
on a long term basis and to suggest
sources; and

(ii) reviaw and make recommenda-
tions regarding the linkages of coal
washencs for supply of coal to
Bokaro Steel Plant at its different
stag;s,

(b> The Committee's report is expected
to leceived shortly.

Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
Staff in Indian Bureau of Mines

2571. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state :

(a) tie categoiv-wre <taff strength of
Indian Bureau of Mines as on the 1st
January, 1972 and the number rf employes
belonging to Scheduled Castes and Schedu-
led Tribes;

(b) whe'hcr the resrvation quota for
Scheeuled Castes and Scheduled Tubes has

been maintained, if not the reasons there-
for; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) A state-
ment giving the information is enclosed.

(b)&(c) Shortfall in respect of posts re erved
foi Class 1 & 11 categones is due to non-
availability of suitable candidates belonging
to Scheduled Castes/Tnbes even after open
advertisement. Nevertheless these posts will
be renotied to Union public Service Commi-
ssion for selection of Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes candidates. In
regard to Class 111 & Class IV

posts reserved vacanc.es are no fied to
the president, Deprssed Class ' league,
Bombay and to the local Associat ons of
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The
pests h<»d also b.en advertised duung the
last 2 years and even before luspite of these
afforts, tl e Schedu’tu Castes arid Sched//’ed
Tribes candidates foi the posts requmnng
Technical and Sc enufic qualifications ae
not available, Effoits will continue to be
made to recruit Schidulcd Castes ^nd Schs-
dulcd Tubes candidates against tlc.e potes
by carrying forward the reservation, where-
cvci required according to standing Govern-
ment instructions on the subject.

Statement

S. No.

Category
of posts

Filled up
posts as

I 1.72

Of the
how

filled

many

How manv carry forward
vacancies reserved for S/C.
S/T are available on date
| S/T | S/T

s 1C 1

s/c

1 .

Class. I

Class. 11

—

Class. II

(Non-gazetted) 3

—

Class. Ill

469

Class. IV

180

—

2 *

•Since joined after 1.1.1972.

185 Wittten Answers

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 186

South-East Asian Collective Securtry

2572. DR, H. P SHARMA : Will the
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether some of the South East
Asian countries are forming themselves into
a group for collective security under the
aegis of the U. S. A.; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No
such development has come to the nonce
of the Government.

(b) Does not arise.

Modification of Labour Laws

2573. DR. H. P. SHARMA Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI-
TATION be pleased to state the decisions
taken to modify the labour laws in the
light of the Gajcndragadkar Commission
Report ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL-
KAR) : It has been decided to amend
the Plantations Labour Act for extending its
application, reducing the maximum weekly
hours of work, and provision of creches in
plantations employing less than 50 women
workers. The question of amending some
other labout laws e g. the Payment uf
Wages Act, the Industnal Disputes Act,
and the Trade Unions Act is also
being considered.

Amendment of Labour laws to include

cmployles drawing upto Rs. 1600
among workers

2574. SHRI D K. PANDA Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILl-
TATION be pleased to state

fa) whether a demand has been voiced
by the national trade union centres and the
woikers organisations to include the emplo-
yees drawing upto Rs. 1600 per month
among the workers by amending the
Central Labour Laws; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) : (a) and (b) Government
have not received any demand to th s
effect. However, at the 29th Session of the
Standing Labour Committee, held in July
1970, the woikers’ representatives urged
for a wage ceiling of Rs. 1600/- per mon'h
for coverage of emp'oyees under the
Industrial Disputes Act, 1947. Tfceir views as
veil as those expressed by the employers’
representatives in th’s regard are under
Government's consideration.

Jammu and Kashmir Central Labour Union

demands to Raise minimum wage in
Public Undertakings

2575. SHRI D. K. PANDA Will the
M, mster of LABOUR AND REHABILITA
TiON be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Jammu and Kashmir
Cen ral Laboui Un on in its recent
resolution has urged Central Government
to raise the minimum wage of employees in
all public undertakings to Rs. 200 pei
month, and

(b) if so, Governments reaction to ihis
demand 9

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) . (a) and (b). Government
has no information on the subject.

Unemployment Insurance Scheme

2576 SHRI D K PANDA : Will the
Minister of LABOUR AND REHAB 1LI-
ATION be pleased to state the ment
bioad features of the proposed Une.nploy-
lnvurancc Scheme ?

THE MINISTER OF L^OUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) D tails cf the Unemrh y-
ment Insurance Scheme have not yet b; n
worked out as no decision about its mtr» -
duction has so far been taken

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AUGUST 17, 1972

Written Answers ] ? 8

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Taking over of Hindalco

2578. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :

DR. RANEN SEN :

Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state :

(a) whether the U. P. Government have

requested the Centre to take over Hindalco,
Birla’s aluminium factory in M.rzapur
District; and 1

(b) if so, the decision taken thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

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12.15 hrs.

CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER
OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE

Rbportbd smuggling of foreign

WATCHES, ETC., BY SOME EUROPEAN

CONSULAR OFFICIALS IN CALCUTTA

SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN (Kangra) :
Sir, I call the attention of the Minister of
External Affairs to the following matter of
urgent public importance, and request that
he may make a statement thereon :

“The reported regular smuggling of
foreign watches, cameras and other
valuable restricted items into India
for sale by a section of Consular
officials representing European count-
ries in Calcutta and steps taken by
Government in this regard. ”

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Two
cases of smuggling of contraband item by
members of the Consular Corps in Calcutta
weie detected recently. They were imme-
diately brought to the attention of the Heads
of their lespective Missions in New Delhi.
As a result, both the persons have alieady
been sent back ftom India. The contraband
goods in both the cases were seized by the
Government.

Necessary steps continue to be taken to
pi event and detect such cases.

SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : Sir, India
has become a paradise for smuggleis and
our ports have become smuggling dens.
Calcutta and Bombay top the list.

Gold is being smuggled diamond is
being smuggled. Luxury goods like
record players, watches and cameras
are smuggled. Some people in every class
are involved in smuggling and to top it all,
we have certain personnel of the diploma-
tic corps who are involved in this racket.

Recently, in the Hindustan Times dated
3rd August, there was a news item to the
effect that crores of rupees worth of foreign
watches and cameras and other restricted
items of value are being regularly smuggled
into India for sale by a section of consular
officials; the contraband material is impor-

Consular Official's in 190
Calcutta \Ca)

ted through the privilege of inspection-free
clearance.

No*, in the present state of affairs, my
questions are : has any effort been rftade to
modify this law so that those who are invol-
ved m the smuggling are tried by the
ordinary law of the land.

Secondly, how many businessmen and
traders have been arrested, who are connec-
ted with these foreign personnel and what
is the number and in which parts of the
country they have been caught.

Thirdly, what steps are the Government
taking to prevent smuggling by the diplo-
matic corps in future ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : With regard
to the first question, there is no proposal
to modify the law, because we have subscri-
bed to the Vienna conventions, and if the
members of the diplomatic corps are contra-
vening the law, then we can inspect the
consignments. Actually, the consignments
in two cases which I have mentioned, were
inspected and contraband articles were
confiscated.

I have no information about any busi-
nessmen having been arrested in smuggling
cases, because that will be a wider question.
We got these two consignments, and in
these two cases, the consignments were
actually inspected, and the contraband arti-
cles were confiscated. Tney are Government
pioperly now.

About the steps to be taken. I would
not like the hon. Member to press us ro
divulge the steps because the very object
that we intend to secure will be defeated if
they are disposed. The steps that we have
taken have enabled us recently to detect
two consignments, and the fact that the^>e
cons'gnments have been detected and the
articles have been confiscated, itseif, I hope
will put the fear of God and law into the
minds of these people, at any rate, of the
diplomatic corps who might be indulging in
this type of activities.

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AUGUST 17, 1972 Papers laid 192

191 Smuggling by Consular

Official's in Calcutta (CA)

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cannot say.

SHRI ANANT PRASAD DHUSIA :
What was the amount involved in this ?

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : There two
consignments which we have detected were
quite substantial. Goods w'orth Rs 23 lakhs
were involved.

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SHRI SWARAN SINGH: With regard
to the proposal made by the hon. Member I
should like to thank him; it is a good pro-
posal and I shall request my colleague the
Finance Minister to take note of this.
About his second question I have purposely
not given the names of the countries to
whom these two diplomats belonged and I
should appeal to the hon. Member not to
press me to do so. In one case the con-
signment itself was abandoned in the sense
that the person in whose name the consign-
ment was sent said I have nothing to do
with it and we had to open it in the pre-
sence of the officer of the customs depai t-
ment and other respectable persons and
contraband goods valued 18 lakhs weie
found in that consignment But he dis-
claimed any connection with it. These a*e
the types of d flLultios that we face in such
cases.

SHRI NIHAR L ASKAR (Karimganj):
We have drawn attention to this fact be-
cause we arc all concerned at the way smug-
gling is increasing Government had also
come out with a statement that unauthorised
use of foreign exchange is to the extent of
Rs 240 crorcs. They asked certain commi-
ttees to go into this and they have given
certain recommendations also. Would the
Government implement those recommenda-
tions or think of other ways to stop this7

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I am sure
that my colleague the Finance Minister is
fully seized of this matter.

12.43 hrs.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Industrial Disputes (Central)
(Amendment) Rules, 1972

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL-
KAR): I beg to lay on the Table a copy of

193 f Papers laid

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

S. C. Report 194

the Industrial Disputes (Central) (Amend-
ment) Rules, 1472 (Hindi and English ver-
sions) published in N itiflcation No. GSR.
795 in Gazette of India dated the 1st July,
1972, under sub-section (4) of sec 1 ion 38 of
the Idustrial Disputes Act, 1947. [. Placed in
Library . See No. LT-3406/' 2]

Notification, under Passports Act. 1967
and Extradition Act, 1962.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): I beg to
lay on the Table: —

(J) A copy each of the following
Notifications (Hindi and English
versions) under sub — section (3)
of section 24 of the Passports
Act, 1967:—

(i) G S.R. 285 (E) published in
Gazette of India dated the
25th May, 1972

(ii) G S R. 286 (E) published in
Gazatte of India dated the
25th May, 1972

(lii) The Passports (Second Amend
ment) Rules, 1972, published
in Notification No. G S R 317
(E) in Gazette of India doted
the 21st June, 1972 [Placed in
Library. See No. LT-3407/72]

(2) A copy each of the following Noti-
fications (Hindi and Engl sh ver-
sions) under section 35 of the
Extradition Act, 1962: —

(i) G.S R. 34 (E) published in
Gazette of India dated the
20th January, 1972 extending
the provisions of the Extradi-
tion Act, 1962 to the United
Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland.

(ii) G.S.R, 35 (E) published in
Gazette of India dated the
20th January, 1972 extending
the provisions of the Extradi-
tion Act, 1962 to the Republic
of Singapore.

(lii) Erratum to the Hindi version
of the above notifications
published jn Gazette of India
dated the 1st March, 1972
f Placed in Library. See No.
LT- 3-408/72]

MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report the
following messages received from the Secre-
tary of Rajya Sabha :—

(i) “In accordance with the provisions
of rule 127 of the Rules of Proce-
dure and Conduct of Business in
the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to
inform the Lok Sabha that the
Rajya Sabha, at its sitting held on
the I4th August, 1972, agreed
without any amendment to the
Diplomatic- Relations (Vienna
Convention) Bill, 1972, which was
passed by the Lok Sabha at its
sitting held on the 9th August,
1972 ”

(ii) “In accordance with the provisions
of rule 111 of the Rules of Proce-
dure and Conduct of Business in
the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to
enclose a copy of the Victoria
Memorial (Amendment) Bill, 1972
which has been passed by the Rajya
Sabha at its sitting held on the
14th August, 1972.”

VICTORIA MEMORIAL (AMENDMENT)
BILL

As passed by Rajya Sabha

SECRETARY . Sir, I also lay on the
Table of the House the Victoria Memorial
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, as passed by Rajya
Sabha.

12.45 hrs.

CENTRAL SALES TAX (AMENDMENT)
BILL

(i) Report of Select Committee

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR-
KAR (Gulbarga) : I beg to present the

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AUGUST 17, 1972

196

[Shri Dharamrao Afzalpurkar]

Report of the Select Committee on the Bill
further to amend the Central Sales Tax
Act, 1956.

(n) Evidence

SHRI DH/RAMRAO AFZALPUR-
KAR : 1 beg to lay on the Table a copy of
tie Evidence (Volumes I & II) given before
the Select Committee on the Bill further to
amend the Cental Sales Tax Act, 1956.

WILD LIFE (PROTECTION) BILL*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : Sir, 1 beg to move for
leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the
protection of wild animals a i d birds and
for matter* connected therewith or ancillary
and incidental thereto.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :
“That leave be granted io introduce a
Bill to provide for the protection of
wild animals and b.rds and for matters
connected therewith or anc.llary and
incidental thereto.”

The motion was adopted.

PROF. SHER SINGH * I introduce the
Bill.

SEEDS (AMENDMENT) BILL*

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P, SH1NDE) : I beg to move
for leave to introduce a Bill to amend the
Seeds Act, 1966.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That leave be gtanted to introduce a

Bill to amend the Seeds Act, 1966.”

The motion m as adopted

SHRI ANNASAI EB P. SHINDE : I
introduce f hc Bill.

12.47 hrs.

CONSTITUTION (THIRTIETH AMEND-
MENT) BILL

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H R. GOKHALE) : Sir, I beg
to move :

•That the Bill further to amend the

Constitution of India be taken into

consideration.”

The Bill proposes to amend the Article
133(1) of the Constitution in order to do
away with the value of the subject matter
of dispute as a criterion for exercise of the
appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court
in civil matters.

The minimum limit of Rs. 20,000/-
mentioned in clause (a) of Article 133(1)
was fixed in 1950 at the time of passing of
the Constitution. In 1969. tt was felt that
m view of the change in the value of the
rupee, the limit wa* too low and the juris-
d etion of the Supreme Court should not
be invoked unless a larger amount was
involved. A Bill proj Oiing to iare this
limit to Rs. i lakh was introduced in 1969
in the Rajya Sabha. The then Law
Commission was consulted about the Bill
and the Commission even it that time felt
that it was some what inappropriate that
cases whether fit or unfit for consideration
of the Supreme Court should be allowed to
go to the Court merely on the basis of the
value of the property in dispute. The Law
Commission then took the view that appeal
should lie only on a Certificate of fitness
granted by the High Court under clause (c)
of Article 133(1) and that clauses (a) and (b)
may be deleted. The B II, however, was
passed by the Rajya Sabha in August 1970.
The Bill lapsed as the Lok Sabha was since
then dissohed.

The Law Commission was thereafter
again consulted. In its 44th Report, the
Commission recommended that an appeal
should lie to the Supreme Court only if the
High Court certifies that the case is a fit
one for appeal to the Su reme Court.
According to the Law Commission, the
valuation test diiCriranated unfairly between

^Published in Gazettee of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2. dated 17.8.72

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(30th AmJt .) Bill 198

the rich litigant and the poor. L tigation
should normally end in the High Court and
only exceptional circumstances should justi-
fy recourse to the Supreme Court.

Before the matter could be processed
further, I re -considered the matter agaia
and thought it fit to refer the question to
the newly constituted Law Commission
under the Chairmanship of Dr P B.
Gajendragadkar The new Law Commission
has recommended that the right of appeal
should be available only in cases where the
High Court certifies that the case involves a
substantial que tion of law of general
importance and that in the opinion of the
High Court the said question needs to be
decided by the Supreme Court.

Each case decided by the High Court
should not go by way of appeal to the
Supreme Court and a line has to be drawn
to indicate in what type of cases, an appeal
should lie. But to draw this line merely on
(he value of the property irrespective of the
merits of the appeal woulo not have been a
rational ap roach apart from the fact that
it discriminated unfairly between the rich
and the poor.

According to the pro osed amendment, if
the case really involves a substantial ques-
tion of law of general importance, then the
Hfgh Court can certify the same irrespective
of the value consideration and no case
would be prejudiced if the valuation test is
completely done away with. The Ch cf
Justice of India was also consulted by the
Law Commission and the Commission has
stated in its report that the Chief Justice
personall> approved the changes proposed.

As Hoq’ble Members would have noticed
the Bill also has incorporated transitional
provisions. The Law Commission has
recommended that the proposed amendment
should not apply (1) to any apoeal pending
in the Supreme Court on the date of its
commencement and (b) to any judgment,
decree or final order by the High Court in
respect of which a certificate under the
unamended article has already been obtained
though an appeal has not been tiled in the
Supreme Court on such certificate and that
the amendment should apply to any judg-
ment, decree or final order which was
pronounced or passed before or after the
date of commencement of the amendment,

if it has arisen in a civil proceeding
commenced in the High Court or any lower
court befo e the said date.

Broad’y speaking, the object of the
proposed amendment is (l) to remove the
abnoxious discrimination based merely on
the value of the property and to give to the
rich and the poor litigant an equal chance
of going to the Supieme Court in appeal;
(2) to remove the unnecessary burden on the
highest Court of appeal caused on account
of appeals coming to it merely on the va’ue
of the property irrespective whether the
appeal had merit in it or not; and (3) to
give finality to the judgments of the High
Courts in matters which do not involve sub-
stantial questions of law of general import-
ance and which questions in the op ; nion of
the High Court need not be decided by the
Sup/eme Court.

Sir, I commend that the Bill be taken
into consideration.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA
(Begusarai) : Sir, may I raise a point of
order, particularly of propriety l Is it
proper to refer to any opinion given by
the Chief Justice of India ? Would It not
preempt the discussion and the consideration
of this matter ? Shou’d it be mentioned ?
Sir, I would seek your views on this
matter.

MR SPEXK.ER : It is mentioned in the
context of the Law Commission.

SHRI SHYAMNANDXN MISHRA :
If the h'ghest juiiciary has given an opinion
in this mat er, whnt is the use of having a
discussion in the House now wards ?

MR SPEXICER : After all, we are
amending the Constitution when so many
things are said We have been doing it in the
past Thongh we are immune, in spite of
that, we do not show any disrespect to the
judiciary. At the same tim‘, we have been
referring to many things without any
idea of showing disrespect.

Now motion moved :

•That the Bill further to ameid the
Constitution of India be taken into Conside-
ra ion.”

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AUGUST 17 1972

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[Mr. Speaker]

Since this is a Constitution Amend-
n ent Bill, there will be recording of votes
and the special majority of not less than
fifty pei cent of the total membcis and two-
thirds of the membeis present and voting
is necessary. We will have the voting at
3 0* Clock.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE
(Burdwan) Wh le supporting this amendment
Bill

MR SPEAKER : So, it is a non-coi tro-
versial Bill.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJFE : A
coutroversy was embodied m the Constitu-
tion in 1950 and not now. Now ikat
contio\ersy is being ended. 1 his was an
in omaly that unfortunately crept into the
Constitution in the >c. r 1950. It seems that
we have followed the 'egacies of the British
days when, in the Civil Procedure Code of
this country, which was fiamed in 190K
the appeal to the Privy Council was allowed
on the basis of the valuation test. This
was ore of the, if I may say so, invidious
discriminations that has been embod ed in
the Consti'ution in the year 1950 when the
Supreme Couit should have been constituted
only for the purpose of laying down unif< rm
laws in this country to be followed by all
the different High Courts in India and for
general application to the citizens.

Thetefcre, we ae happy that the irrati-
onal s.anda.d which has been laid down in
the Constitution is now' being got rid of
Instead of valuation test, now the test to be
applied is that the subject-matter should
justify the scrutiny by the highest court in
the country.

So far as valuation test is concerned,
I find, at least m countries wheie the
common law is practised, namely, in
England in House of Lords, the Supreme
Court in USa, no valuation test is being
followed there. Also, in France, West
Germany and Russia, there is no valuation
test. The real test is the importance of. the
subject-matter which should be brought
before the highest court in the country.

So far a* some of the aspects are con*
cerned— we are experiencing it every day —
in view of the recent appointments
and the fall in the general standaid

in the High Court judiciary, it may be
that in all cases we cannot shut out an
appeal to the highest court in the country
specially in matters of article 226 which
govern fundamental rights of the citizens of
the country. We have been having various
types of decisions specially m casses of
service matters w'here questions of dismiss-
als aie mvo ved, where the public service
is concerned and whe e industrial relations
are concerned Till now, we find that there
has been convderab’e uncertainty in the
law that his been laid down in diffeient
High Courts of the country. Because this
valuation test has not been made applicable
to manv cases under article ">26 of the
Constitution, there was difficulty. Always
an approach was made that the valuation
test is not satisfied and the courts were not
satisfied that the cases were fit cases of
appeal to the Supreme Court. Therefore,
we would have liked, in certa.n cases, it
should have been as a matter or right thit
recourse Could be taken to the Supreme
Court of India In ca^es of service matters,
particularly, in ca es of wirngful d is issa's
eithei fp'in the Government service or
from p'lvate sci vice and in cases of
industrial relations, industrial disputes,
it should have been as a matter of right
that recourse can be taken to the Supreme
Court of India.

There is another matter to which I
wish to draw the attention of the hon.
Minister. So far as the Supreme Court is
concerned, undoubtedly, we want that it
should be taken recourse to as a last resort,
as the hon. Minister himself pointed out.
We want that the Supreme Court should
lay down certain la.v.s which should be
made applicable all over the country
uniformly But in various cases which even
iuvolve substant.al questions of law, there
is great difficulty for ordinary people to
approach the Supreme Court because of
the costs involved. The hon. Minister
himself sa*d that there is a discrimination
between he poor and the rich because the
valuation test is there. The valuation test
is going. But even if the valuation test has
gone, in c ses which involve substantial
questions of law, the recourse can only be
taken to the Supreme Court provided the
High Court grants a certificate or the
Supreme Court grants leave to appeal under
article 136 of the Constitution.

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(30th Arndt,) BUI 202

We know from our daily experience
that in very many cases, say, for example,
the case of habeas corpus , the case of
industrial tribunal awards, where directly
appeals are being filed m the Supreme
Court under ai tide 136, the hligants and
tiade unions are having gieat difficulty
because of lack of resources. Mr. Gokhale
has the experience of the Supreme Court.
How many trade unions or employees who
had to go before the court could be
properly represented ? On one side, we have
seen Mr. Gokhale, Mr Daphtary, the
great luminaries of the Bar appearing for
the employers. So far as employees are
concerned, who are there to represent
them ? They can hardly go to any compe-
tent lawyeis because of lack of jesources.
We ate thinking so much about the people
that they should have access to the Supreme
Court of India for redressal of their
grievances, that such a law shou’d be laid
down as would uniformly apply to all the
people of the country and that any section
of people should not get anv extra benefit
under the Constitution of this country, but
what arc you providing for the poor people
for the poo, litigants 7 Therefore, it is
essential in particular cases like dismissal
cases in servee matters, matters relating
to industrial . ...

MR SPEAKER • The hon Member may
continue his sppe-.ch after Lunch

The hon members may please note
that the voting shall be at 3 00 p. m

We adjourn for lunch to reassemble at
2 00 P m

13 hrs.

The Lok Sabha adjourned for Luncb till
Fourteen of the Clock .

The Lok Sabha re : cn sen bled after Lunch
at Fourtteenof the Clock

[Mr. Deputy Splaker m the Chair,]

SHRI SAMAR GUH\ (Contai) * Sk,
there is a report in this morning Hindustan
Times about the Freedom Fighters. We
wanted them to come to Delhi, we wanted
to honour them but they ian away as fast
as they could in a mood of regret. This is
T the report appeared in the Hindustan Times
today. There is a picture aso. It says :

"‘Hungry Heroes in back seats get 1 Tamra
Patti' from chosen 27. Sir, I went to see
them off yesterda\ night. Some of them
shed tears. This is the report of the paper :

*“It looked like a refugee camp. A group
of old— some of them infirm — people sat
huddled together on torn and dirty
mattresses spread on the floor m a small
dingy room.”

Thev had no food ..(Interruptions) Sir, this
is not a Partv matter. Not only this, in the
front row of the Diwan-e-Aam the officials
and the Children sat and the fr*edom fighters
weic given the back seats.

Sir, it was a very novel idea to honour
the freedom fighters It was really a sacred
idea, but it was executed so shabb ly, so
disgracefully. I would request the Govern-
ment to go into this matter and who were
the officers asked to look after the arrange-
ments for their food and lodging. That
should be looked into and the Government
should apo’ogisc to the fieedom fighters
( Interruptions )

MR, DEPUTY SPEAAER : No more
p’cace

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanp.r) :
We gave a call attention nonce. Theic is a
strike going on by 75,000 cement woikers
throughout the country I only wanted you
to convey our feelings to Shn Raj Bahadur.

He is thcie. Let the Labour Minister
make a statement on the sti ike by 75,000
cement wo.keis throughout the countiy. It
will impede cement prod act ion m the
country

SHRI JAGANN ATHRAO JOSHI (Sha
japgr) rose.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ■ No. please.
M 1 Somnath l hatterjee.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I hope the
Minister of Par lumen ary Affairs has taken
note of it and someihing should be said
atnut it. Some of the old Members we sent
to see th.‘m off. They actually shed tears...

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Order,
p ease. You have nude a submission. It s
on record. It is for the Government to take
note of it.

Mr. SOMNATH CH \TTERJEE.

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(30th Admt.) Bill 204

14*04 brs.

CONSTITUTION (THIRTIETH
AMENDMENT) BILL— Contd.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : As
I was submitting a large section of people
found it difficult to approach the Supreme
Court due to lack of resources and funds.
It is essential that some scheme for provi-
ding legal aid is established by the Govern-
ment.

In those cases where poor people are
involved, they find the greatest difficulty.
They are shut out from coming before the
Supreme Court for lack of funds, especially
in cases where service matters are involved,
in cases of dismissals, in cases of industrial
disputes, etc. etc. Special provisions should
be made for providing legal aid to them. I
believe, this is one of the principles which
should be adopted by a welfare State. Legal
aid should be made available to the ordi-
nary people, to the poor people, who cannot
afford to come to the courts on their own
resources.

There is another point which I wish to
bring to the attention of the hon. Minister
and this is about the provision for security
as to costs. There is a provision for paying
Rs. 2,000 as deposit for filing an appeal in
all cases excepting criminal cases. This
requirement is placing considerable strain on
the ordinary litigants to pursue their appeals
before the Supreme Court. The Minister
may say this is a matter which should be
left to the discretion of the Supreme Court.
We wish that these are provided in suitable
legislation .In certain cases court fees are to
be paid. In all cases security for costs
should not to be taken; it is notincumbent
that such security should be provided at
all. So far as the Supreme Court appeals
are concerned it is very essential that this
requirement should be done away with.

So far as the ordinary, people the poor
people, of this country are concerned, they
should not be thought of only during the
elections. Sir, let us not insult the poor
people of the country. Let them not be
used as pawns during the election time only.
Let us do something so that they can feel
that there is a proper approach made on
the part of the Government. So far as the

question of litigation is concerned, certain-
ly, Sup r eme Court appeals should be on
the basis that there should be no discrimi-
nation and proper provision should be made
giving full opportunities to the ordinary
people of the country to come on appeals to
the Supreme Court.

One of the reports of the Law Commi-
ssion mentions about arrears in the courts.
Even in the Supreme.Court, between 1965 and
1970, about five thousand cases remained to
be disposed of. There are a thousand cases
accumulating in the Supreme Court year by
year. In the Statement of Objects and Reaso-
ns we find that the amendment of the
Aiticle accordingly would curtail the number
of appels which are filed in the Supreme
Court merely on the valuation test being
satisfied without any merit in them. So far
as frivolous appeals are concerned, to the
extent, they could be done away with, we
support this. But merely making a provision
that valuation test neeJ not be fulfilled will
not solve the problem of arrears. For this
difficult problem comine up before the sup-
reme Court, a different approach is necessary.
A porper appioach should be made, taking
into consideration the Code of Civil Proce-
dure and offier procedural laws. Adequate
steps should be taken to get rid of these
arrears The Supreme Court should be the
watch-dog for the common people of the
country so that their fundametal rights are
protected from executive tyranny, We want
that the Supreme Court should be allowed to
play its part. The High Courts should also
be given proper opportunities to play their
part. In the High Courts, so for as the
judicialst ani ard is concerned, there has not
been a rise, if not an actual fall. These
matters should be looked into from various
points of view. There should be an integra-
ted approach. Piecemeal legislations will
not solve the problem. With these words, I
support the Bill.

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an end of law suits. No man has a
right to unlimited draughts on the
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t get his private affairs settled as he
wishes. The State’s duty is discharged
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Lords needs leave from the court of
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without d.fficulty. Some countries
like Australia, Canada, and Switzer-
land still retain the valuation test for

207 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30rh Admt.) Bill 208

appeals to the highest Tribunal, while
in other countries like France, West
Germany, USA and USSR, the va ue
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SHRI JAGANNATH RAO (Chatrapur):
I rise to support the Bill which is a whole-
some measure which seeks to remove the
valuation test as a criterion for invoking the
jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

This Bill is based on the principle that
all are equal before the law. The Consti-
tution speaks of a new order based on social
justice and equality. The disparities between
the rich and poor are being now sought to
be removed. This Bill is really welcome in
the sense (hat the ‘valuation test’ viz., that
the value of the subject-matter of the dis-
pute m the court of first instance or that

find order involves some claim respecting
property of a like amount before it is
appealable to the Supreme Court is now be-
ing removed and the only criterion that is
n >w imposed is that the case should involve
a substantial question of law of general
importance and it is a fit case in the opinion
of the High Court to be decided by the
Supreme Court. Thereby an invidious dis-
tinction which now exists between the rich
and poor is being removed. The rich man
his the right to go to the Supreme Court
because the value of the subject-matter of
the dispute is Rs 20,000, whereas the poor,
however valid his right be, is denied this
right because the money value of the case
is less than Rs 20,000. The amendment
ensures that the rich and poor are equally
treated and there is no discrimination
against the poor. This will lead to a healthy
practice in future.

This Bill will be on the same analogy as
sec. 100 of the Civ:l Procedure Code which
deals with second appeals to the High Court
only on a point of law. A furthei appeal to
the Supreme Court is in the nature of a
secon dappeal. It should only be substantial
questions of law of general importance that
should be the guiding principle attracting
the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

This amendment has come at a tim^
when we are new set on a big p.ogramme
of narrowing the disparity between rich and
poor and build a new order based on the
solid foundation of social justice and equa-
lity Therefore, the House should welcome
it I am glad that all sections of the House
have welcomed the measure. I also extend
my welcome to it.

Shri Somnath Chatterjee referred to the
question of legal aid to the poor. He him-
self is a lawyer appearing in the High Court
of Calcutta and the Supreme Court. Has
he appeared for a poor litigant without
charging fee ?

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Yes.
I have never appeared for an employer.

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : I am glad.
But how many lawyers are there who have
done so ? Therefore, it is for the lawyers
themselves to evolve a code.

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SHRr SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :
Everybody cannot afford it. It is very d ffi-
cult.

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE - Let him not
deal with individuals.

SHRI JAG ANN \TH RAO Because
he referred to it, it is a valiJ question.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why
does he not ask Government to frame rules?

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO: How can
Government do it? Let the lawye s them-
selves evolve a code. Let there be a panel
in the Supreme Court, the High Couits,
District Courts. There are Bar associations.
Let them in tun appeir for the poor liti-
gant without accepting fee This is the
only way in which leaal aid to the poor
can be o r ganised. It is not for G we nment
to p»escnbe it. The poor litigant has the
facility in forma pauperis. He cannot go
to the High Court or Supreme Court. You
cannot also compel a lauy'r to argue for
him free. Therefore, if is for eminent law-
yers well p’aced in life to evolve a code of
conduct and a system for affording legal aid
to the poor

l think the Law Commission aKo has
recommended in one of its reports on this
mattet. I believe in the new provision that
is being inserted in the Code of Criminal
P o.edurc which is being amended there is
reference to legal aid to the poor. These
are provisions which Government also are
thinking of

This Bill is in the right direction, is
least controversial and does not need much
debate. I support it wholeheartedly.

SHRI A.K SEN (Calcutta-North-WesD:
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir. I am very happy
that this measure has been bi ought and an
anomaly which is the creation of olden days
is sought to be removed. Those were the
days when the ultimate court of appeal was
the Privy Council in England The valu-
ation test was a very important test and
certain tights of appeal were conferred as
a matter of course depeding upon the value
of the subject-matter of litigation. That crit-
erion is completely antiquated and when the
Constitution adopted it, I am sure it adopted
it more by the pressure of tradition than by

considerations of the merit of the matter.

I am glad that the Law Minist'r has now
sought to implement the recommendations of
the Law Commission on the question.

I am a little unhappy — though possibly,
practically it may not make much difference
— about the deletion of the fitness clause m
article 133. But I have no doubt that
when the courts interpret this provision,
they will consider fitness on the ground of
public importance and on sound questions
of law. Therefore, possibly, when tie
interpretation is evolved by the courts,
the r e will not be much difference and fitness
will still remain a very important criterion
for justifying appeals to the Supreme Court.

I support wholeheartedly Mr Somnath
Chatterjee’s plea for legal aid to the poor.
In no civilised country docs the legal pro-
fession except in a haphazard manner,
expend legal aid to the poor. If it has to
be done on an effective and ratio lal basis,
it can only be done whe.e a proper scheme
foi legal aid to the poor is evolved by the
State A Scheme was evolved by the Law
Ministry a long time ago —

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :
Have a ceiling on lawyer’s fees.

SHRI A. K. SEN : It is already there
because the Government is the biggest
partner for all handsome fees. Ceiling will
be meaningless because that ceiling is al-
ready thare by the Income-tax law There-
fore You w II find that really there is
a ceiling upon lawyer',* income like all other
incomes That is the reason why m many
cases the top lawyers do not accept fees in
deserving cases. It has been a tradition
always with good lawyers to extend their
help to poor litigants. 1 say this in answer
to Mr Jagannath Rao’s remark that many
lawyers do cases free for poor litigants at
least on some occasions.

SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI (Amioha):
Veiy tew.

SHRI A. K. SEN : I can tell you at
least from the High Court where I come
from and Shri Somnath Chatterjee comes
from, it has been the tradition of the Bar
to extend help to poor litigants.

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SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY
(Nizamabad) : Wi s he your client at any
time ?

SHRI A K SEN * He is we'come pro-
vided he has a moral claim ! ( Interruptions ).
That, of course, is a matter not purely
confined to the Supieme Court. It assumes
rather an important pioporiion while we
come to the Supreme Court because it is
easier for a litigant to approach the Head-
qu: ters for the high court, though it is also
expensive there, but for people to come all
the way to the Supn m Cou 1 1 , pay securities
a d so on, is d'fficult. The cost of printing
p per-books be omes sometimes prohibitive.
Of course, fortunately, the tiade unions
who represent the emp'o'ees take up the
burden and molify the effect of it, but in
many cases, 1 know personally, it vo ks
hardship for poor litigants part cularly in
respect of litigation in the Supreme Court.

14. 23 hrs.

SHRI K. N. TIWARI in the Charr

One hon. Member has right'y snd that
the cost of living in a hotel nowadays has
become prohibitive for many people and to
engage a la»v\e; here adds to the co^t con-
s»derably. I think tfw Law Minister will
rake up the old file and find out the old
scheme worked out by hs own Ministry at
one time. It was thrown to the cold storage
because the then Finance Minister tho ght
that it was immoral to subsidise l.tiganon.
And I failed to convisce him — (Interruption).

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : My
suggestion is that the lawyer’s fee should
not be more than R* 51 a day.

SHRI A K. SEN : That is very good
I think the same limitation should be pro-
portionately borne by everybody including
Members of Parliament, There is no diffi-
culty about it. That is a different matter.

"We are now talking of legal aid to the poor
and this is a rational system adopted by
every civilised country. I can tell you
that the cause of law has become so popjlar
in countries like England after the system
of egal aid to the poor was worked out
with success and law courts were no longer
barred to poor litigants. In our times,
when we were students, I remember the
terrific complaints which used to be made
gainst the high cost of litigation which
^■erred poor litgants from seeking redress,
oday he whole system has been so changed

and the legal profession has also benefited
by moderate fees. At the same time a
poor litigant in every case including divorce
cases gets justice before courts of law.
What was o- ce an anathema for the poor
litigant has now become useful in order to
get redress for his grievances. This is a
system which has been adopted in every
coui'tn ; it was worked out here and was
recommended by a series of conferences one
af er the other and the small expenditure
that was n eded to finance such a scheme
wmld be worthwhile undertaking. We
may start from the Supreme Court and go
down to the lowest levels of our judicial
system, With these words I have great
p ! casure in supporting this very welcome
measure.

SHRI DK PANDA (Bhanjanagar) :
This Bill is long overdue. It has come at
a time when hundreds of appeals are pi'ed
up in the Supreme Court. I understaid
that 1967 appeals have been taken up in
1972. It causes hardship not only to the
poor pcop'e and the common man but a’so
m ddle-class people. This long pendemy
causes trouble.

We have been demand i-g from the
Government during the budget session that
there should be a comprehensive scheme to
see that th: benefit}, of laws and constitu-
tional .mendments made here reach the
common man; otherwise all that remained
a dead letter as the benefits of this legis-
lation did not fhw to the man in the street.

We tabled a number of cut motions and
amendments on tl c above lines b.it they
wc e ne\er replied to, nor weie they look
into. They were brushed a side and some
answers were given which had nothing to do
with reality.

We find that the cost of litigation is
also going higher and ii is beyond the
power of normal people to have access to
the Supreme Court. The cost of the paper-
book is so high that the poor man is unable
to affo r d it.

Similarly, the poor man should not be
called upon to pay the paper book cost in
small matters. Stamp duty and court fees
also are rising high and the poor litigant
is the hardest hit. Wh le supporting this
Bill, I demand that there should be a com-
prehensive sc k eme for nutting a ceiling on
the income of the lawyers who are earning

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fabulously and necessary amendments should
be male so that the poor man is able to
defend himself. Government should also
arrange for the legal defence of poor liti-
gants who have got in their case a sub-
stantial question but are unable to take it
to the Supreme Court because of financial
difficulties.

This is an important Bill no doubt and
I welcome it. It also highlights the import-
ance of the Supreme Court. It relieves the
Supreme Court of needless appeals and it
will be now confined to a field that it can
decide important questions of law w'irh
become the law of the land. For this
purpose, it is of utmost importance that
the confidence and integrity and independ-
ence of the Supreme Court should be
strengthened. But I am sorry to bring to
the notice of this House that something has
been discussed about favouritism and nepot-
ism in the very corridors of the Supreme
Court as to how the Law Ministry it func-
tioning.

SHRI A.K. SEN . This is bad.

MR. CHAIRMAN : What has been
discussed in some corridor doe> not become
authentic here. If you mean to say that
the Supreme Court or High Court judges
are acting under the influence of the Law
Ministry, you should not say that. ( Inter-
ruptions )

SHRI D.K. PANDA : Even in the case
of the Newspaper Control Order, which was
the concern of the entire nation and which
was passed to defend the freedom of expie-
ssion of the smaller papers, who was
engaged to defend that order ? It was Mr.
Nariman.

MR. CHAIRMAN : How is it relevant ?
Who is engaged and who is not engaged is
the business of Government. How does it
come within the purview of this discussion ?

SHRI S.M. B\NERJEE : What was
wrong with the Attorney General ? When
the Government's order was challenged,
the Attorney General should have been
engaged.

MR, CHAIRMAN : You cannot rise
like this. Always you are in the habit of

getting up like that.

SHRI A.K SEN : Mr. Chatterjee wi I
confirm that Mr. Nariman did a magni-
ficent job.

SHRI D.K. PANDA : The members
should take serious note of the fact that
som? very important an l responsible Con-
gress MPs have w itten to the Primi Minister
asking whv the Attorney General or
Solicitor General was not even being con-
sulted in this case. On the other hand, one
Shri Nariman was appointed **

SHRI R D BHANDARE (Bombay
Central) : Sir, on a ooint of order. During
the course of the speech, the hon M-m'w
mentioned.** That ought to be de’ettd.

MR. CHAIRMAN * That is true No
such statement should be made against a
person who is not present in the House.

SHRI S M BANERJEE : Sir, I rise on
a point of order According to Shri
Bhandare, Shri Panda has mentioned a
particular name. According to the ruling
you have just now given, a person who is
not here shou'd not be mentioned because
he cannot defend himself This morning
we had been mentioning President Nixon.
Is that also improper ? Further, Shri
Narman is the Assistant Solicitor Geneia*.
Can we not mention his name ?

MR. CHAIRMAN : I am not allowing
it in the record.

SHRI D K PANDA : I have mentioned
only bare facts in the House.**

MR. CHAIRMAN . Do not repeat it
when I have not allowed it.

SHRI D.K. PANDA : If the fountain
of justice is to be mainta ned as pure as
purity itself, in the greater cause of the
nation why should not the Attorney-General
or the Solicitor-General be consulted and
why should they not be engaged. Hon.
Members are well aware of the fact that
when the Tatas and Birlas were in the
process of defending the privy purse case,
not only the Attorney -General and Solicitor
General but also the present hon. Ministers,
Shri Mohan Kumaraimngalam and Shri

"Expunged as ordersd by the Cnair.

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|Shri D. K, Par da]

Gokhale were appointed to defend the cause
of the nation, because it was a big case
against the g over nn tnt by the rajas in the
privy purse case.

Now, with regard to the same case at
least, those two persons could have been
engaged. I would also draw the attention
of the House to another thing, that Shri
palkhivala ....

MR CHAIRMAN ■ I cm not allowing
(Interruptions)

SHRI D K. PANDA: . . who is
really very competent, who is a very
capable person— absolutely there is no
doubt — was appointed .

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : He is
compl mentig Mr. Palkhivala.

SHRI D K. PANDA : Without hearing
me, why should there be any prenotion 9
He is a very capable person. He was also
the spokesman of vested interests in all
those three cases, the bank nationa isa.ion
ca<e, the privy puises ca*e and the newsp-
rint control order ca* e Now, he has been
appointed in the international court to
defend the Government of India. How far
is it really desirable to send such a man
who has been representing the vested
interests all through his life, specially in
those three famous cases, and those very
peolc who are also in league with outside
vested interests ? Can he defend our
nation’s cause in the international court 9
Certainly not. Fere also. I say, the hon.
Minister is answerab'e to it.

Lastly, suppose hundreds of amend-
ments come. Fov can we maintain and
preserve the fountain of peace, the fount-
ain of intern ty; unless the cases are prope-
rly defended also 9 As far as the Newsp-
rint Control Older is concerned, it per ams
to the portfolio of our Prime Minister.
If at all we arc defeited in that case **

Who will be responsible at that time ?
Therefore, 1 demand of this M nistry, in
spite of these amendments, why was the
Attorney-General not consulted ? I also
call upon the Prime Minister to place the

letter which was addressed by some of the
veiy responsible Supreme Court Bar
members who are also Parliament Members
on the Table of the House for discussion
to do justice to the case.

With these words, 1 support the Bill.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri R. D.
Bhandare

SARI SHYAMN \NDAN MISHRA :
Then, we may have to go beyond 3
(),C1 ck This is a very important Constitu-
tion amendment.

MR. CHAIRMAN : My difficulty is
this. If the Members confine themselves to
the subject-matltr of the Bill, I do not
think, they will take much time of the
House Because they have either not read
ihe Bill or they have not come prepared,
they are talking of things wh'ch are not
necessaiy and relevant to the Bill. I would
request the Members to confine them elves
to the Bill. Mi. A K Sen spoke to the
point We have to take the vote at 3 O
Clo.k. But, I think, there are many
Members to speak and all will have to be
accommodated I wc uid req est you to
restrict your cbscivations to the subject-
matter of the Bill.

SHRI R. D BHANDARE (Bombay
Contrail : I rise to support this Bill with
all the strength at my command. This Bill
seeks to achieve two objectives • the first
is that it seeks to Jo away with the value of
the su't which is now the basis for the
r ght to appeal; the second is that, bv doing
this, the Law Minister is of the vew, the
litigation, the number of matters or cases
on arpeah would be reduced from the file
of the Supreme Court. These arc the two
objectives with which this Bill has been
b ought forward.

14.46. hrs

[Mr Speaker in the Chair]

While speaking on the B II, even
extraneous matters were brought in. the
first extraneous matter was regarding legal
aid. We have a Bill, sent to the Joint
Selcet Committee, wherein we are discuss-
ing the legal aid to the poor and the needy.

** Expunged as cided by the the Chair — vide col 218

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To my great surprise, after going through
the scheme as has been incorporated in the
Advocates Bill, 1 find that there is so much
lacunae left in that scheme that the whole
scheme ought to be recast. Two points
must tfe borne in mind: one. is that the
responsibility to give legal aid to the poor
and the needy must rest with the Bar
Council; the second Po nt which 1 would
like to suggest in this connection is that
the Government must come forward to
constitute a fund from which the advocates
who would appear for the needy and the
Poor should be paid.

Another point was raised regarding the
lawyers fee. I do not know whether my
fiiends have really understood the basic
principle which governs the relationship
between the client and the lawye . So long
as property is the con:ept of the base of
the society, then the sanctity of the contract
will necessarily step in. ( Interruptions )
1 would like it, provided all the parties
are prepaied to abolish private property.
What 1 was suggesting was this. So long
as the concept of private property is there,
along with it the sanctity of the contract
steps in. Therefore, under what law can we
prevent the relationsh p based on fees
between the client and the lawyci 9
Therefore, my ad\ice to my friends is that
they should not talk of a matter which
has no basis, which has no lelevance, so
fai as this Bill is concerned.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Am I to
understand that you want that to De
continued ?

SHRI R. D BHANDARE ■ You
dcstioy the baie; and the whole top will
be destroyed.

I would now like to refer to the last
sentence which was uttered by my lion,
fi lend, Shn Panda He says, if there is a
litigation going on in the Supieme Court
and if the Government is defeated, then he
used a terminology which was not befitting
to the dignity of the House, to the dignity
of the Member and to the dignity of the
hon. Prime Minister. He said that if the
Government was defeated. ••

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He said it
because the Portfrlio of Information and

Broadcasting is headed be the. Prime
Minister. There is nothing unparliamentary.
Please do not impute motives to what he
said.

* SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : I am not
imputing motives. It is not befitting to the
dignity of the hon. Member; it is not
befitting to the dig nty of the House it is not
befitting to the Instititution of Parliamentary
democracy under which the Prime Minister
is the Leader of the Party, of the Majority
and therefore of the House and of the
nation. I therefore, submit, that that
sentence should be deleted.

SHRI D K. PANDA : It was not my
intent on; I did not use it in that sense.
Il is a matter which pertains to the port-
folio held by the Prune Minister.

MR. SPEAKER . That is not an expie-
ssion in good ta^te. I was not here then.

SHRI D. K. PANDA : I did not use
it in that sense. ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : Order please, will he
kindly sit down ? He may not have inten-
ded something, but the expression evidently
seems like that. It is not in good taste.
It will be de’eted.

Now, Shri Shyamnandan Mishra.

SHRI r SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have no
hesitation in saying that, broadly, one wou'd
like to agree with this measure. In princi-
ple particularly there is nothing object lona-
b’c about it. In fact, the way in which the
financial magnitude of the subject matter
as the basis for appeal is sought to le
phiogatcd, it is to be welcomed by c 11
of us.

That does not mean that one shot ’d
deprive oneself of c’oser scrutiny so for as
this measure is concerned. There is no
doubt about one point— and this has teen
repeatedly emphasised by hon Members
that right to appeal on financial qual fication
gi\es scope for very very trivial and re'at*-
ve’y smaller matters going up before the
Supreme Court. Financial quaficatirn alone
is enough in some cases; merit does not
matter. Therefore, to that extent that this
is done away *ith, I we‘come this measure.

** Expunged as ordered by the Chair— Vide col-. 218

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[Shri Shyamnandan MishraJ

May I submit that, in seeking to do
away with Art. 133(!)(c) we are throwing
away the baby with the bathwater, 1 think,
hon, Members are clear in their minds as to
what Art 133(1) (c) implies. That means,
the High Court court could give a cer-
tificate of fitness which has wider dimension,
wider horizon that concerns not only the
question of law, but of general importance.

Whatever qualification you might add to
it, it means a matter substantial of law.
General importance being added to it does
not widen the horizon to the extent that it
was in Article 133(1) (c). In my opinion
Art 133(1) (c) is sought to be resinc'ed.
Clearly, the object or the intention of the
Constitution was to grant this right of
appeal, es basic right— the right to go on
appeal to the Supreme Court Wc must take
all care to see that this basic right of appeal
is not les ricted in a manner so as to make
it ineffecthe. I am cleaily of the opinion
that the recommendation contained in the
forty-fourth report of the Law Commission
is preferable to the recommendation made
in the forty-fifth report of the Law Commis-
sion.

Before I go to examine the provisions
of the Bill in greater deiail, may I repeat
what I imohed through the poirt of order
that I raised only this morning ? 1 would
like to express my doubts whether it was
proper, in the first instance, to have consul-
ted the Chief Justice of India in this matter.

I wou'd like to go on record, so far as this
matte is concerned It is the Supreme Court
of India which will ultimately have to decide
what scope is left for entertaining appeals
after this amendment. Secondly, I have
mv doubts whether the name of the Chief
Justice of India should have been used in the
manrer in which this is sought to be done.
Thirdly, I also wonder whether the Chief
Justice of India would like that his name
should have been mentioned up in this
manner, which might have the effect of over-
aweing the Members 'and preempting the
d scussion on this subject in this honoura-
ble House.

Coming to the provisions of the Bill, I
would aubmit, that the Bill, as proposed,
may be inconsistent with the Fundamental
Rights guaranteed to the minorities, and

also with the general right to appeal to the
Supreme Court m defence of Fundamental
Rights.

Since it is proposed that only in cases
involving sub>tantial question of law of
general impertan'e, an appeal shall lie to
the Supreme Court, it takes away substan-
tially the right which is of a wider nature
a, embodied in Art. 133(1) (c) of the Cons-
ti f ution Itisc’ear that the question of
‘fitness’ in Cause (c) has no connection with
a substantial question of law being involved.
That is very clear In the paragraph that is
added to art. 133. it is clea ly mentonsd
that there would be other c?ses involving
question of substantial law. It does not
rebate to the que>tion of law so far as 133(1)
(c) is concerred. The intention of Art.
133(l)(c) is o cover those cases which weiu'd
affect the inleests of a large number of
people and which are of general importance.
How are those cases to be covered, if you
aie going to base it completely on the que-
stion of law ? That is a matter to be gone
into very closely.

1 would like to refer to cases relating to
religious rights of the minorities, the right
to take out procession on a particular day.
control and management of religious shrines,
endowments and so on. How are these
cases going to be covered if you are going
to base it completely on question of law, of
general importance 7 This is some-thing
which roquires much greater consideration.

15 hrs.

A point has been made that under Art.
136, the Supreme Court has an unfettered
right to entertain appeals. In Ratilal Versus
Ranchodbhai, the Supreme Court held that
in an appeal by special leave from the deci-
sion of a High Court under Section 115 of
to the C P. C, the powers of the Supreme
Court were circumscribed by limitation placed
on the powers of the High Court under
Section 115. On technical ground the Sup-
reme Court could grant special leave but it
could not grant special leave with regard to
a matter of substance. There was no remedy
available to the appellant. You cannot say
therefore that under Art. 136 remedy is
available to any person to go to the Sup-
reme Court. I think that it would be much
better if the Law Minister confined himsel
to the recommendation made by the Law
Commission in its Forty-fourth Report,

221 Constitution

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The only change that occurred in the
Law Commission was that there was some
change in the personnel; there was a new
chairman of the commission, but it may be
that some other members remained. But
one does not quite see the justification for
altering the recommendation of the Law
Commission as contained m its 44th
report.

So, I would like the hon. Minister to
consider even at this stage whether it would
not be possible to conform to the recom-
mendations in the 44: h leport instead of
seeking to lestnct the horizon of appeal as
is sought to be done through the new
amendment. The new amendment is
restrictive and it might very adversoly affect
the rights of the minorities in particular and
also the general right of appeal to go to the
Supreme Court, which to my mind is a
basic constitutional right.

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA COSWAMI
(Gauhati) : I welcome this Bill whicn brings
forth a change in the pioceduie relating to
appeals to the Supreme Court. It is a
wholesome propc sit ion that the valuation
test has been done away with. The onl}
argument that could be advanced in favour
of the valuation test is that a man who has
a greater stake or the subject matter of
whose dispute relates to a greater amount
of money and, therefore involves a greater
stake, should be given a right of appeal to
the highest court of the land But if one
nukes a close scutiny one would find that
this argument is absolutely illusory because
the question whether property is really
valuable to an individual or not is dependent
on the valuation of the property. For a
m<in who is a milli< naire, a poperty worth
Rs 20.000 may be of much less \a'ue. But
in case of another man who is a poor man,
even a property worth Rs. 500( wou'd he of
much greater value and there w II be much
at stake for him. Therefore, I am g'ad
that the artificial valuation test wh ch had
been laid down in the Constitution has been
done a way with, and I fully welcome it.

But by this amending Bill, not .only has
this been done, but a change of procedure
[las also been affected. A new c ause has
[?een added which says that only those
[ases will be allowed to go to the Supreme
Court by way of leave of appeal, which
pvolve substantial questions of law of gene-

ral importance and wheie in the op nion of
the High Court, such question needs to be
decided by the Supreme Court. I have got
no objections to the proposition that only
those ca«es which involve substantial ques*
tions of law should go to the Supreme
Court. But I have got my grave doubts
whether the High Court will grant leave on
coming to the finding that the case is one
which needs to be dec ded by the Supreme
Court. For, the word ‘needs' connotes a
certain amount of compulsion The High
Court, after adjudicating upon a case may
say that this ’s a case which is fit for going
to the Supreme Court or it is desirable that
the Supreme Couit should give the final
opinion in the matter, but I have my grave
doubts whether the High Court will cert fy
that it is a case which needs to go to the
Supreme Couit.

In the 45th report, the Law Commission
has laid down four or five propositions in
order that a case may be referred to the
Supreme Court. For example, cases where
there should be uniformity of Central law
or State law should in the ultimate analysis
be decided by the Supreme Court; sec< ndly,
even on a point of law which has been
decided by the Supreme Court, the High
Court may feel that there is scope for
further reconsideration, and m such cases,
leave should be granted so that the case can
go to the Supreme Court. If the word ng
of the Bill remains as such that only when
the High Court i* of the opinion that the
question needs to be decided by the Supreme
Court will the High Court be entitled to
grant leave, then suppose there is a case
where there is a standing pronouncement
by the Supreme Court; the High Court may
legitimately feel that the judgment of the
S preme Court needs reconsideration, but
when there is a judgment of the Supreme
Court which under article 141 of the Consti-
tution amounts to law, how can they say
that it is a case which needs to be decided
by the Supreme Court ? In view of the
fact that the word ‘needs* connotes a certain
sense of compulsion, I feel that it would
have been better if the earlier recommend-
ation of the Law Commission that a certi-
ficate to the effect that the case is a fit one
for appeal to the Supreme Court should be
enough should have been maintained.

I support the Bill. At the same time
1 want to add one thing that it is unfortu-

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nate that some controversial matters have
been dragged into this debate and the names
of certain persons were dragged in who had
no opportunity to defend themselves here.
One hon. Member said that if a particular
law is declared ultra vires bv the Supreme
Court **

Many of the laws which are passed by
us a*-e declared ultra vires by the Supreme
Court. Does ft mean **

AN HON. MEMBER : That has been
deleted.

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS-
WAMI : I am sorry. I leave it there.

I fully support the Bill and hope the Law
Minister will also consider whether the
word ‘needs’ may not have an adverse effect
on the right of appeal in those cases whee
even the Law Commission feels thit leave
of appeals should be allowed.

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi-
wash) : I agree with the object of the Bill
that the amount or valuation of the subject-
matter in dispute should not be the basis or
qualification to file an appeal before the
Supreme Court. All of us agree that there
should be no discrimination between rich
and poor before a court of law, especully
be! ore the Supreme Court. If wc agree
that to get justice is very costly, to get
justice from the Supreme Court is stil
costlier. A poor man will have to engage
a lawyer by paying fat fees and if he comes
from a distant place, to maintain himself in
Delhi is also very very costly. People like
us who come from the south will have to
travel 1 500-2000 miles to file cases before
the Supreme Court. You know how costly
it is for us to come all the way from the
south and stay in Delhi Hence if you
accept the principle that justice in the
Supreme Court shoutd not be costly, Govern-
ment should think of measure whereby
there can be a Bench of the Supreme Court
sitting in the South. They may select any
place, Trivandrum, Bangalore, Madras or
Hyderabad. But there should be a separate
Bench of the Supreme Court in the south.

The Minister has stated in the statement
of objects and reasons that the Bill would
curtail the number of appeals filed in the
Supreme Court merely on the ground of the
satisfaction of the valuation test. I have
my own doubt about it, because even in
small cases where the amount is small subs-
tantive questions ol low may be involved
which may have to come to the Supreme
Court.

Any way, 'osing a B 11 which remove the
discrimination between rich and poor as the
statement of objects and reasons says, I
support the measure.

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOK.HALE) : I am
very grateful to hon. Members for having
wholeheartedly supported the proposed
amendment. In the course of the dis-
cussion, many points which were relevant
and which co itained useful suggestions
weie made. I am very grateful for that.
Quite so many others things were also said
which have really nothing to do with the
proposed amendment. Therefore, I pro-
pose to be very brief in dealing with some
mijor points which go directh to the ques-
tion whether the measuie which is brought
is a proper measurcor not.

It was generally a;ree.i that the basis on
which the present right of appeal rests,
namely, valuation of property has alwavs
been a basis which led to discrimination
between the poor litigant and the rich liti-
gant, could never b; justified. As one hon.
member rightly said, this is a legacy of the
past which the Britishers left in the old
Civil Pro:edure Code and which when the
Constitution was framed in 1950 we almost
bodily incorporated. It is true that in
many of the other countries, including
countries which a renot socialist, the basis
of valuation of property for the right of
appeal to the highest court has already been
taken away. Therefore, I do not think
there is, or can be, any dispute that this
measure was overdue. 1 am glad that we
have been able to bring it before the House
for consideration on this occasion.

It was said that while doing so, wo
should automatically have provided for a

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right of appeal in certain cases. It was
suggested that in service matters and in
labour matters there should have been an
appeal as of right. Let us not assume in
making this argument that in all service
and labour matters there is merit. Out There
are matters and matters. There are service
matters wherein there is great merit. 1 am
sure that in such cases even under the pro-
posed provision, those matters will be able
to come to the Supreme Court. In labour
matters, the same would apply. Now, the
hon. Member who is himself a very emment
lawyer and who made the suggestion, refer-
red to the right of appeal being taken away.

It is really not taken away, because article
136 and article 32 of the Constitution are
yet left untouched. As hon. Members
know, most of the service matters which
come to the Supreme Court are either on
appeal in write petitions under arLcle 225
filed in the high court or are by way of
petitions under article 32 relating to article
14 or article 16. Tint right still remains.
It is not at all affected by the present
amendment. All that the present amend-
ment seeks to do is this. Now, in the
present-day circumstances, inv own fee’ing
is that it was never justified even in the
past, but even in the presen r -day circum-
stances, .to say that merely because a person
has property worth so much, the apoeal
should lie, is not proper. At that time,
it was Rs. 20,000 and sometimes, it was
thought that it should be raised to Rs 1
lakh. But the question is not that of Rs.
20,000 or Rs. 1 lakh but it is one of
principle, the principle being that the high-
est court should be approached as of right
not only because the person claims to have
property valued at a certain level, but on
other grounds. The experience of the
courts, and of those who have functioned
as lawyers and judges, has consistency been
that appeals which came to the Supreme
Court on the basis of this so-called auto-
matic right of appeal, based on property,
have invariably failed, becau-e there was no
merit in them and the courts which h^d
gone into this had come to the conclusion;
merely because the property value was
more an appeal of necessity arose
in the Supreme Court on a certificate being
granted by the high court, and so much
time was taken and so much money was
spent by the parties, with the result that 90
or 99 per cent of the appeals ultimately

resulted in failure. Therefore, I am grate-
ful to the hon. Members for accepting that
the principle underlying this Bill is a correct
principle,

I entirely agree and I am grateful to the
hon. Members for referring to an allied
matter, which is also an important matter,
namely, the matter relating to making a
provision on a comprehensive basis for a
scheme for legal aid to the poor.
There can be no two opinions on this issue.

I am glad to tell the House that a compre-
hensive scheme for legal aid is at present
being worked out. In fact, some provisions
were made in the Advocates (Amendment)
Act which is now before the Joint Committee
I found that the provision was in the nature
of an eye-wash, because it only tried to say
that something for legal aid was being done.
In fact, it contained nothing and it would
not have enabled anybody to get legal aid
from that scheme. I had occassion to say
it in the Committee, and 1 did not want to
come before the House and put something
in the name of legal aid which realiy is not
legal aid. I would like to come before the
House with a comprehensive scheme of legal
aid, not in respect of the High Courts or
the Supreme Court only. Becau>e, the real
stage where legal aid is necessary is the
stage where the litigation starts, and that is,
at the taluka level, namely, the bottom level
where the people are helpless and are at
the mercy of some unscrupulous lawyers or
some other people who are interested in
fostering litigation. Therefore, there can
be no two opin ons that it is the duty of the
Government to go into the question very
carefully and bring a comprehensive scheme
for legal aid.

I agree that there is a great accumu-
lation of cases. That was also one of the
po nts referred to by my friend Shri Chitter-
jee and other hon Members. Now, I
never claim and I possibly cannot claim
that the present amendment is the be-all-
and end-all of or that we want to do for
curtaining accumulation or the backlog of
cases in the Supreme Cou -t and in the other
courts. I agree, as some hon. Members
said, that an integrated approach has to be
made to the prob’em, I am glad to mention
before this House that this question is being
attacked at several levels. The evil of
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on several levels. This is only one sm^ll
step which will touch only the burden in
the Supreme Coui t in respect of the
appeals.

1 had occassion to tel! this House at an
earlier time that the Civil Procedure Code
was really the basis for dilatory procedure
in civil cases and for undue cost. It is at
present under close examination. Not that
we arc going to make merely minor changes
in it here and there, as was sought to be
done earlier, but we propose to bring a
basic and radical change in procedure so
that the procedural delays are cut and the
costs are reduced. That is not absent in
the minds of the Government, and we are
considering that matter. Apart from that,
even the necessity of increasing the judge
strength has been engrgiig the attention of
’he Government for the last few months.
Vherever a proposal came from the States
r quirmg additional judges in we v of the
friars, I did not remember a single case in
wh ch the Central Government had rejected
such a propcsal. In fact I have my self
written to the Chief Ministers of the Sta:es
to make a review of the strength in their
respective High Courts and make proposals
for additional judges in their High Courts.
That again is not the end of the matter.

My friend Mr. Ashok Sen and Mr
Mishra said that it would have been better
if clause (c) of article 133 had been left as
it was. I know that in the 44th report
that was the suggestion In my opening
remarks I said that in spite of that, 1 re-
con* idered the matter. The language used
in tl e article ‘fit for appeal to the Supreme
Court’ seems very simple. It may appear
as if the High Court can consider every case
and say whether a case is fit or not for
being taken to Supreme Court. At
feast lawyer Mwtobers know that this expre-
ssion has almost become a phrase of art;
it has come in for interpretation in a
number of cases right from tl e Privy Coun-
cil in the old days to the Supreme Court.
The $jjipreme Court later on said that
although the ,language was wide, it meant
really cases involving substantial question
of law and then it said, substantial question
of tow involving public or private import-
ance-

I do not mind public importance because
that is a paramount thing. We want them to
go. But, let us come to a matter of private
importance. 1 have two cases in mind. One
was thet of a zamindar ih the old days. If I
am not mistaken it was a case from Bihar.
He went to the Supreme Court against his
tenant on a litigation in which the
siake involved was Rs. 400. The
argument before the court was this. It is
no* a matter of pablic importance and it is
not a case for appeal to the Privy Council.
The High Court accepted :hat position. The
Privy Council reversed it and said : 400 or
200 is not the question; what is important
is that this m it ter is of private importance.

Now, a d'spute over a will where I
might quarrel with my friend Asok Sen
saying 1 am the heir and he says he is the
heir affects him at d me. The world at large
has nothing to do with it. Still it ts capable
of being taken to the Supreme Court under
article 133 (c). Do we really intend that
those disputes wh ch do not affect the public
should be taken to the Supreme Court, even
though they might be confined to disputes
purely nter se between two individuals or
two partus ?

I explained the three underlying objec-
tives of this measure. One was to remove
discrimination between the poor and the
rich. The second was to see that at a certain
stage you reach finality over some matters.
Even the highest courts are not infallible.
So we accept the judgment of the highest
court as final. I do not suggest that there
is anything wrong in saying that matters
which are not of public importance and
which do not involve questions of law of
pub’ic importance which do not really need
to be decided by the Supreme Court should
reach finality at the High Court level.
That is the principal reason why it was
sa d in the proposed amendment an appeal
must involve a question of law of general
importance; it should be general as well as
important which needs to be taken to the
Supreme Court.

There is a reason for it. Because, suppose
there are conflicting judgments in various
High Courts, A citizen does not know what
is the law. Uniformity in judicial pronounce-
ments is the essence of any systematic
judiciary. Therefore it, can to a matter

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which needs to be taken 'to the Supreme
Court.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
The horn Law Minister was pleased to say
that it would be a matter both of law and
general importance. It does not read Ukc
that here. It says : substantial question
law of general importance. It does not widen
the scope.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : It does not
widen. The intention was that; disputes on
facts howsoever substantial they may be
which could be certified as a fit, case for
appeal to the Supreme Court are exactly
what are intended to be obviated by this
amendment. That is where it is intended that
the High Court should be the final court of
appeal. It there is a substantial question of
law of general importance, the High Court
will certify that it will go to the Supreme
Court for a final decision. Somewhere we
have to accept some finality.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
How is a matter relating to religious cere-
mony going to be covered by law ?

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : If it is a
matter of religious ceremony, it can be a
matter of general importance.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
It would be a matter of general importance
but not a matter of general importance
concerning law.

SHRI H R. GOKHALE ; Sir, are we
arguing a case in a court of law ?

MR. SPEAKER : No counter arguments
should be there. After all, there are legal
interpretations.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : These
matters are ultimtely left for interp.etation by
courts. This provision will come in for
interpretation by the Supreme Court and
various High Courts, i am not giving any
interpretation. I am just giving the back*
ground underlying the proposal for amend-
ment of the Constitution.

Then it was said that the Law Commi-
ssion consulted the Chief Justice of India,
who had personally expressed the view that
this is a necessary amendment. Far from
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Court, in fact this was one step which was
taken which showed great respect to the
Supreme Court.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Have I said that it shows disrespect to the
Supreme Court ? In fact, what I say is that
Supreme Court weuld suffer if too much
respect and attaeotion is paid to it, as yon
are doing.

MR. SPEAKER : In your speech lat*
you said, his name was used for over-awing
the numbers. If the opinion of the Chief
Justice can be quoted as over-awing us, I
think we can be over-awed by many other
factors. I do not see any harm in his name
being mentioned out because that is used by
the Law Commission.

SHRI SHYAMNAND\N MISHRA : I
have not used the word "disrespect”.

MR. SPEAKER : You have not. Why
do you lose your temper ? I see frowns on
your forehead always. I request you to
apeak in a normal manner and in a patient
manner. Why do you frown at us ? We are
all amenable ..

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
In fact, it is the Chair which is not proving
to be considerate.

MR. SPEAKER r Tf you do it once in
a while, it is all right, but not every time.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : In
fact, the Chair has to shaw more Considera-
tion to the House.

MR. SPEAKER : I deliberately avoid
looking at you because of your frowns.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
You must tell him that he should not inter-
pret me like that.

MR. SPEAKER : I have said that
you did not say it. Why do you quarrel
over it ?

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Some might
say that the powers of the Supreme Court
were being curtailed because of this amend-
ment. It has been the practice all along—
the previous Law Commission also consul-
ted the Chief Justice and the Present Law
Commission also consulted the Chief Justice

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because this was a matter which affected
the Jursdiction of the Supreme Court.
Therefore, it was a courtesy which has
always been extended in the past. Even
then, the Law Commission has said that
the Chief Justice personally expressed his
opinion that this mea u;e was ver> n ecessa y
This does not disable the Supieme Court,
when the matter comes before the Supreme
Court, to intcipret this particular draft
which we have put and which has been
accepted by the House in the way it likex.
Therefore, 1 am unable to agree with thi,
view that we should not, even m matte- s
where we are t ealing with the jurisdiction
of the Supreme Court, conjult the Chief
Justice of India.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA .
We cannot agree with th s view.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Many other
points have b en mentioned which really
do not pertain to the main question. But
seme kind of aspcisions w'ere cast and I
th.nk it is necessary to itfer to only a few
of them

1 come to a recent case which was
argued in tic Supieme Court reating to
the P.ess Bill. Here I need not be apolo-
getic ahout it at all. I may mention as a
matter of fact that this case started here
in the Supreme Court, if 1 am not wrong,
on the 19th of July. The court itself reope-
ned after the vacation on the 17th of July.
The Attoiney-Geneial of India who wou d
normally have been briefed, was away
outside India and had not returned till the
14th cr L'thof July The new Solicitor-
General had not taken charge till the 17ih
of Jul> The preparation in a case ol th s
nature had to be made at least a month or
six weeks before the case actually came
for hearing because the instructions had to
be obtained from the department for filing
the ; ffidavit containing the entire view of
the government The law officer who was
available at that time and who, in my view,
was one of the btst lawyers in the country,
dealt with this matter and prepared the
affidavit, and I am very proud to say that
he did an excellent job in the c«u»t. Even
tho e who came and complained to me
earlier-*! am talking of those members of
tie bar, feme of w cm are supposed to

have made a c jmplaint— even those who
originally expressed a doubt about the
capacity of this gentleman, later on they
came and told me “We ate sorry, we had
not heard him earlier in a matter like this
and that is why we complained”, One thing
to which I m ist plead guilty is that he is
young; I cannot help it. But it is a fact
that he is one of the be>t lawyers in the
count! y today Go to any member of the
Supreme Court bar and he will tell you
what an excellent job has been done by
this ge itleman

I do not want to talk about the mcr.ts
of t te ca e because the judgment is yet to
come. Various opinions appear in the
pape s, some said to be for the favour and
s< me said to be against the Government.
But that is not a matter in which I should
ex )re ,s any view because the whole matter
is suh jud ce All I can say is that I had
b:en in touch with this case from the very
beginning and 1 can say with the fullest
sense of responsib lity that the case, under
the circumstances, was entrusted to the bv'st
of our law officers. This was the only
point which I wanted to deal with I thank
the hon Member* for supporting this
Bill

MR SPEAKER : Before I put the
Constitut on (Thirtieth Amendment) B 11
to the vote of the H mse I have to inform
you that his berig a Constitution (Amend-
ment) Bill, the voting has to be by
Division Let the Lobb es be cleared

The Lobbies have been cleared.

The question is :

“Th it the Bill fu tier to amend he
Constitut on of India, be taken into consi-
deration ”

The Lok Subha divided :

Division No. 2] AYES [15.33

Achal Singh, Shri
Afzalpu.kar, Shri Dharamrao
Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed
Agiawal, Shri Shrikrishna
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram
Ahmed, Shri F A.

Alagesan, Sh i O V.

Ambesh, Shri

Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman
Appalanaidu, Shri
Arvind Netam, Shri

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Austin, Dr. Henry
AwdJiesh Chandra Singh, Shri
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha
Aziz Imam, Shri
Bahuguna, Shri H. N.

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar
Baladhandayutham, Shri K.
Balakrishmah, Shri T.

Banamali Babu, Shri
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh
Banerjee, Shri S. M.

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul
Barman, Shri R. N.

Barua, Shri Bedabrata
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai
Basappa, Shri K.

Basumatari, Shi i D.

Besra, Shri S. C.

Bhagat, Shri H. K. L.

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri
Bhandare, Shri R. D.

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai
Bhattacharyya, Shi I Dmen
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagdish
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu
Bhaura, Shri B S
Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh
Brahmanandji, Shri Swami
Buta Singh, Shri
Chaklcshwar Singh, Shri
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B.
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chandrappan, Shri C. K.
Chandrashekhrappa Veerabasappa,
Shri T V.

Chandrika Prasad, Shri
CluUlerjee, Shri Somnath
Chaturvedi Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhari, Shri Amar Singh
Chaidhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh
Chavan, Shri Yeshwanirao
Chavda, Shn K. S.

ChawJa, Shn Amar Nath
Chellachami, Shri A. M.

Chhotey Lai, Shri
Chhutten Lai, Shri
Chittibabu, Shn C.

Choudhary, Shri B. E.

Ciioudhury, Shri Moinul Haque
Daga, Shri M. C.

Dalbir Singh, Shri
Dalip Sirgh, Shri
Darbara Singh, Shri
Das, Shri Anadi Charan

Das, Shri Dharnidhar
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas
DafChowdhury, Shri B. K.

Deb, Shri Dasaratha
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh
Deshmukh, Shri K. G.
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S.
Dhamankar, Shri
Dhandapani, Shn C. T.
Dhaamgaj Singh, Shri
Dhana, Shri Mohan
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad
Dinesh Singh, Shri
Dixit, Shn G. C.

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra
Doda, Shri Hiralai
Dube, Shri J. P.

Dumada, Shri L. K.

Dutta, Shn Biren
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar
Engti, Shn Biren
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Shri K. R.

Gangadeb, Shri P.

Gaicha. Shri Devinder Singh
Gautam, Shn C. D.

Gavit, Shri T. H.

Ghosh, Shn P. K.

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh
Gin, Shri V. Shanker
Godara, Shri Mani Ram
Godfrey, Shrimati M.

Gogoi, Shn Tarun
Gohain, Shri C. C.

Gokhale, Shn H. R.

Gomango, Shri Giridhar
Gopal, Shri K.

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra
Govind Das, Dr.

Gowda, Shri Pampan
Guha, Shri Samar
Gupta, Shn Indrajit
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra
Hansda, Shri Subodh
Hah Kishore Singh, Shri
Hari Singh, Shn
Hashim, Shn M. M.

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M.

Jadeja, Shn D. P.
Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Janardhanan, Shri C.
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Jha, Shri Chiranjib
Jharkhande Rai, Shri
Jitendra Prasad, Shri
Joarder, Shri Dinesh

235 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30th Atfmt.) Bill 236

Joshi, Shri JagapnatJ^o
joshi, Shri Popajlal
Joshi, Shrimati £u.bhadra
Kadam, Shri Dattajii$o
Kadannappalli, Shri QLamachandran
Kader, Shri S. A.

Kahandolc, Shri Z. M*

Kailas, Dr.

Kakodkar, Shri Purushot^tam
Kakoti, Shri Rohin
Kale, Shri

Kamakshaiah, Shri D.

Karaala Prasad, Shri
Kamble, Shri T. D.

KamlaKumari, Kumari
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal
Karan Singh, Dr.

Kasture, Shri A. S.

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila
Kavde, Shri B R.

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri
Khadilkar, Shri R. K.

Kinder Lai, Shri
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha
Kisku, Shri A. K.

KotofJ, Shri Liladhar
Kotrashctti, Shri A. K.

Krishnan, Shri M. K.

Kumar am angalam, Shri S. Mohan
Kureel, Shri B. N.

Kushok Bakuta, Shri
Lakshin ikanthamma, Shrimati T.
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R.
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Laskar, Shri Nihar
Lutfal Haque, Shri
Madhukar, Shri K. M.

Mahajan, Shri Vikram
Mahajan-, Shri Y. S.

Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar
Majhi, Shri Kumar
Malaviya, Shri K. D.

Malhotra, Shri Inder J.

Mallanna, Shri K.

Mallikarjun, Shri
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Ngrain
Mandal, Shri Yftimina Prasad
Manoharan, Shri K.

Marak. Shri K.

Melkote, Dr. G. S.

Mirdha, Shri Nathu $*am
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra* Shri G.S
Miahra, Shri Jaganoatb
MUira, Shri L. N.

Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan
Misra, Styi S. N.

Modak, Shri Bijoy
Modi, Shri Shrikishan
Mody, Shri Pilqo
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri
Mohan Swarup, Shri
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder
Mohsin, Shri F. H.

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri
Munsi, Shri Priya Ranjan Das
Murthy, Sh i B S.

Nahata, Shri Amrit
Naik, Shri B. V.

Nanda, Shri G. L.

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh
Oraon, Shri Tuna
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath '
Painula, Shri Paripoornanand
Palodkar, Shri Manikrao
Panda, Shri D. K.

Pandey, Shri Damodar
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain
Pandey, Shri R. S.

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminaraitf
Pandit, Shri S. T.

Pamgrahi, Shri Chintainani
Pant, Shn K. C.

Paokai. Haokip, Shri
Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand
Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai
Partap Singh, Shri
Parthasarathy, Shri P.

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat
Patel, Shri Arvind M.

Patel, Shri Natwarlal
Patel, Shri Ramubhi
Patil, Sh f i Anantrao
Patil, Shri C. A.

Patil, Shri E. V. Vikhe
Patil, Shri Krishnarao
Patil, Shri S. B.

Patil, Shri T. A.

Patnaik, Shri Banamali
Patnaik, Shri J. B.

Peje, Shri S. L
Pillai, Shri R. Balakrishna
Prabodh Chandra, Shri
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah
Pradhani, Shri K,

Purty, Shri M. S.

Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shaft
Radhakrishnan, Shri S.

Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K.

Rai, Shrimati £aho<Jrabaj

237 ? Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (54 JM)

(J Oth Admt.) m 238

Raj Bahadur, Shri
Rajdco Singh, Shri
RfejU, Shri P. V. O.

Ram, Shri Tulmohan
Ram Dhan. Shri
Ram Prakash, Shri
Ram Sewak, Ch.

Ram Surat Prasad, Shri
Ram Swarup, Shri
Ramji Ram, Shri
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri
Ram Singh Bhai, Shri
Rana, Shri M. B.

Ranabahadur Singh, Shri
Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A.
Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar
Rao, Shri Jagannath
Rao, Dr. K. I .

Rao, Shri K. Narayana
Rao, Shri M. Satyanarayan
Rao, Shri Nageswara
Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Prasada
Rao, Shn Pattabhi Rama
Rao, Shn Rajagopaia
Rao, Dr. V K. R. Varadaraja
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh
Raut, Shri Bhola
Ravi, Shri Vayalar
Ray, Shrimati Maya
Reddi, Shri P. Antony
Reddy, Shri K Kodanda Rami
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa
Reddy, Shri P Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha
Richhariya, Dr. Govmd Das
Rnhatgi, Shrimati Sushi la
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Roy, Dr. Saradish
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri
Sadhu Ram, Shri
Saha, Shn Ajit Kumar
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque
Saminathan, Shri P. A.

Sanghi, Shri N. K.

Sankata Prasad, Dr.

Sant Bux Singh, Shri
Sft'k&r, Shri Sakti Kumar
Sgtish Chandra, Shri
Satyanarayana, Shri B.

Savant, Shri Shankerrao
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati

Sayeed, Shri P. M.

Sen, Shri A. K.

Sen, Dr. Ranen
Sen, Shri Robin
Sethi, Shri Arjun
Sezhiyan, Shri
Shafee, Shri A,

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri
Shailani, Shri Chandra

Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh
Shambhu Nath, Shri
Shankar Daykl Singh, Shri
Shankar Dev, Shri
Shankaranand, Shri B.

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma, Dr. H. P.

Sharma, Shri Madhoram

Sharma, Shri Nawal Kisbore
Sharma, Shri R. N.

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal
Shashi Bhushan, Shri
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram
Shastri, Shri Sheopujan
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Sher Singh, Prof.

Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P.

Shiva Candika, Shri
Shivnath Singh, Shri
Shukla, Shri B. R.

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan
Siddayya, Shri S. M.

Siddheshwar Piasad, Shri
Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Sinha, Shn Dharam Bir
Sinha, Shri Nawal Kishore
Sinha, Shri R K.

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan
Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh
Sonar, Dr. A.G.

Stephen, Shri C.M.

Subramaniam, Shri C.
Sudarsanam, Shri M.

Sunder Lai, Shri
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri
Swaminathan, Shri R.V
Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar
Swaran Sihgh, Shri
Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh
Tarodekar, Shri V.D.

Tayyab Hussain, Shri
Tewari, Shri Shankar
Thakre, Shri S. B.

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao
Tiwari, Shri R G.

Tiwary, Shri D.N.

239 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30th Admt.) BUI 210

Tiwary, Shri K.N.

Tombi Singh, Shri N,

Tula Ram, Shri
Tulsiram, Shri V.

Uikey, Shri M.G.

Ulaganambi, Shri R P.

Unnikrishnan, Shri K.P.

Vekaria, Shri
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P.

Venkatswamy, Shri G.

Verma, Shri Balgovind
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra
Virbhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan, Shri G.

Yadav, Shri Chandrajit
Yadav, Shri Karan Singh
Yadav, Shri N.P.

Yadav, Shri R.P.

NOES

•Bheeshmadev, Shri M.

♦Mehta, Dr. M ah i pat ray
•Oraon, Shri Kartik
•Patel, Shri Prabhudas

MR. SPEAKER : The result** of the
d : vis ion is :

Ayes— 366; Noes— 4

The motion is carried by a majority of
the total membership of the House and by
a majority of not less than two-thirds ol
the Members present and voting.

The motion was adopted.

MR. SPEAKER : We now take up
clause consideration of the Bill. We take
up Clause-by-Clause 2. There is an
amendment No. 1 by Shri B.V. Naik Is he
moving it ?

SHRI B.V. NAIK (Kanara) : I am not
moving it.

MR. SPEAKER : That is not moved.

I will now put clause 2 to the vote of
the House. We will follow the same proce-
dure. The Lobbies are already cleared.

The question is :

“That clause 2 stand part of the Bill”
The Lok Sabha divided :

Division No. 3] AYES [15.36 hr*.

Achal Singh, Shri
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao
Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed
Agrawal, Shri Shnknshna
Ah.rwar, Shri Nathu Ram
Ahmed, Shri F.A.

Alagesan, Shri O.V.

Ambesh, Shri
Anand Singh, Shri
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman
Appalanaidu, Shri
Arvind Netam, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Awdhesh Chandra mgh, Shri
Azad, Shii Bhagwat Jha
Aziz Imam. Shri
Bahuguna, Shri H.N.

Ba.pai, Shri V.dya Dhar
Baladhanda>utham, Shri K,

Balakrishn ah. Shri T
Banamali B tbu, Shri
Banera, Shri Hamendia Singh
Banerjee, Shri S M.

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul
Barman, Shri R.N.

Barua, Shri Bedabrata
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai
Basappa, Shri K.

Basumatari, Shri D.

Besra, Shn S.C.

Bhagat, Shri H K L.

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shn
Bhandare, Shn R.D.

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan l.al
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu
Bhaura, Shri B S
Bheeshmadev, Shri M.

Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh
Brahmanandji, Shri Swami
Buta Singh, Shri

•Wrongly voted for ‘NOES’.

**The following Members also recorded their votes for AYES :

Dr. Jivraj Mehta, Sarvshri D.D. Desai. K. Lakkappa, Tarkeshwar Pandey, T. Sohan
Lai, Vasant Sathe, J.G. Kadam, Anand Singh, K. Veeriah, Murasoli Maran, S A.
Muruganantham, Kartik Oraon, Prabhudas Patel, M. Bheeshmadev and Dr.
Mahipatray Mehta.

241 * Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1894 {SAKA)

(JO Arndt.) Bill 242

Chak!eshwar Singh, Shri
Chandra Gowda, Shri D.B.

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chandrappan, Shri C.K.
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa,
Shri T.V.

Chandrika Prasad, Shri
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath
Chaturvcdi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhari, ghri Amarsmh
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh
Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao
Chavda, Shri K. S.

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath
Chellachami, Shri A. M.

Chhotey Lai, Shri
Chhutten Lai, Shri
Chittibabu, Shri C.

Choudhary, Shri B. E.

Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque
Daga, Shri M. C.

Dalbir Singh, Shri
Dalip Singh, Shri
Darbara Singh, Shri
Das, Shri Anadi Charan
Das, Shri Dharnidhar
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K.

Deb, Shri Dasaratha
Deo, Shri S. N. Smgh
Desai, Shri D. D.

Deshmukh, Shri K. G.

Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S.
Dhamankar, Shri
Dhandapani, Shri C. T.

Dharamgaj Singh, Shri
Dharia, Shri Mohan
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad
Dinesh Singh, Shri
Dixit, Shri G. C.

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra
Doda, Shri Hiralal
Dube, Shri J. P. 1

Dumada, Shri L. K.

Dutta, Shri Biren
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar
Engti, Shri Biren
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Shri K. R.

Gangadeb, Shri P.

Garcha, Shri Davinder Singh
Gautam, Shri C D.

Gavit, Shri T. H.

Ghosh, Shri P. K.

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh
Giri, Shri V. Shanker

G dara, Shri Mani Ram
Godfrey, Shrimati M.

Gogoi, Shri Tarun
Gohain, Shri C. C.

Gokhale, Shri H. R
Gomango, Shri Giridhar
Gopal, Shri K.

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra
Govind Das, Dr.

Gowda, Shri Pam pan
Guha, Shri Samar
Gupta, Shri Indrajit
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra
Hansda, Shri Subodh
Hari Ki shore Singh, Shri
Hari Singh, Shri
Hashim, Shri M. M.

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M.

Jadeja, Shri D. P.

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Janardhanan, Shri C.

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Jha, Shri Chiranjib
Jharkhande Rai, Shri
Jitendn Prasad, Shri
Joarder, Shri Dinesh
Joshi, Shri Jagannathrao
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M.

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao
Kadam, Shri J G
Kadannappaili, Shri Ramachandran
Kader, Shri S. A.

Kahandole, Shri Z. M.

Kailas, Dr.

Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam
Kakoti, Shri Robin
Kale, Shri

Kamakshaiah, Shri D.

Karaala Prasad, Shri
Kamble, Shri T. D.

Kamla Kumari, Kurnari
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal
Karan Singh, Dr.

Kasture, Shri A. S.

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila
Kavde, Shri B. R.

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri
Khadilkar, Shri R. K.

Kinder Lai, Shri
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha
Kisku, Shri A. K.

Kotoki, Shri Liladhar
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K.

Krishnan, Shri M. K.

Kulkarni, Shri Raja

24 3 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(BOth Admt.) Bill 244

Ki maramangalpm, Shri S. Mohan
Kuree], Shu B. N.

Kushok Bakula, Shri
Lakkappa, Shu K.
Lakshnukanthamma, Shrimati T.
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R.
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Laskar, Shri Nihar
Lutfal Haque, Shri
Madhukar, Shri K. M.

Mahajan, Shri Vikrarn
Mahajan, Shri Y. S.

Mahata, Shri Debend. a Nath
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar
Majhi, Sim Kum r
Malaviya, S! i K D
Malhotr , Shii 'nier J.

Mallanna, Shii K.

Mallikarjun, Shri
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad
Manoharan, Shri K
Maran, Shri Murasoli
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray
Melkote, Dr. G. S.

Mirdha, Shri Nathu P*am
Mishra, Shri B.bluli
Mishra, Shri G. S.

Mishra, Shri Jagannath
Mishra, Shri L N
Mishra, Shri ShyamnanJan
M»sra, Shri S. N.

Modak, Shri Bijoy
Modi, Shri Shnkishan
Mody, Shri Piloo
Mohan Swarup, Shri
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder
Mohsin, Shri F. H.

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri
Murthy, Shri B S.
Muruganantham, Shri S. A.
Nahata, Shri Anirit
Naik, Shri B. V.

Nanda, Shri G. L.

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh
Nimbalkar, Shri
Oraon, Shri Kartik
Oraon. Shri Tuna
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath
Painuli, Shri Paripoornanand
Palodkar, Shri Mamkrao
Panda, Shri D K
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain
Pandey, Shri R S.

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar
Pandey, Thri Tarkeshwar
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain
Pandit, Sh.i S. T.

Pi n grahi, Shri Chintamani
Pant, Shri K. C.

Paokai Haokip, Slui
Para^har, Prof Narain Chand
Parma«, Shu Bhaijibhai^

Pas tap Singh, Shri
Pai thasaiathy, Shri P.

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat
Patel. Shri Arvind M.

Patel, Shi i Natwarlal
Pa cl, Slui Prabhud^s
Patel, Shi i Ramubhai
Pa il, S'iri Anantiao
Paul, Sh r i C A.

Patil, Shri E. V Vikhe
Paiil, Shri Kr.shnarao
Patil, Shri S. B.

Pa til, Shri T.A.

Patnaik, Shri Banamali
Patnaik, Shri J B.

Peje, Shri S.L.

Piliai. Shri R Balaknshana
Pridhan, Shri DIun Shah
PraJhani, Shri K
Purty, Shu M S.

Qureshi, Shi i Mohd Shall
Radhakrishnan, Shri S,

Raghu Rama'ah, Shu K.

Rai, Shrimati Sahodrabai
Raj Bahadur, Shri
R jdco Singh, Shri
Rcjii, Shri P V. G
Ram, Shri Tulmohan
Ram Dhnn, Shri
Ram Prakash, Sh:i
Ram Sewak, Ch.

Rain Surat Prasad, Shri
Ram Swarup, Shu
Ramji Ram, Shi l
Ramsheklnr Prasad Sirgh, Shri
Rc msin i h Bhai, Shu
Rana, Shu M. B
Ranabuhadur S«ngh, Shn
Rao, Shrimati B Radhabai A.
Rao, Shn J. Rame^hwar
Rao, Shn Jagannath
Rao, Dr K L.

Rao, Shri K Narayana
Rao, Shri M Satyanarayan
Rao, Shi i P Ankineedu Prasada
Rao, Shii Patttbhi Rama
Rao, Shri Rajagrpafa
Rao, Dr. V, K. R. Varadaraja

245 Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (5/4K4)

(30th Admt.) Bill 246

Rathia, Shri Umed Singh
Raut, Shri Bhola
Ravi, Shri Vayalar
Ray, Shrimati Maya
Reddi, Shri P, Antony
Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha
Reddy, Shri P. V.

Richhanya, Dr. Govmd Das
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Rudra Piatap Singh, Shri
Sadhu Ram, Shri
Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque
Saminathan, Shri P. A.

Sanghi, Shri N. K
Sangliana, Shri
Sankata Prasad, Dr.

Sant Bux Singh Shri
Sarkar, Shri Sakti Kumar
Sathe, Shri Vasant
Satish Chandra, Shri
Satyanarayana, Shri B.

Savant, Shri Shankerrao
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati
Sayeed, Shri P M
Sen, Shri A. K.

Sen, Dr. Ranen
Sen, Shri Robin
Sethi, Shri Arjun
Sezhiyan, Shri
Shafee, Shri A.

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri
Shailan:, Shri Chandra
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh
Shambhu Nath, Shri
Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri
Shankar Dev, Shri
Shankaranand, Shri B.

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma, Dr. H P
Sharma, Shri Madhoram
SHarma, Shri Nawal Kishore
Sharma, Shri R, N,

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal
Shashi Bhushan, Shri
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram

Shastri, Shri Sheopijan
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Sher Singh, Prof.

Shinde, Shii Annasaheb P.
Shiva Candika, Shri
Shivnath Singh, Shri
Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan
Siddayya, Shri S. M.
Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri
Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Sinha, Shrt Dharam Bir
Sinha, Shri Nawal Kishore
Sinha, Shri R. K.

Sinha, Shri Satyendra NarayaQ
Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh
Sonar, Dr. A. G.

Stephen, Shri C. M.
Subramaniam, Shri C.
S'.idarsanam, Shri M.

Sunder Lai, Shri
Surendra Pal Sngh, Shri
Swaminathan, Shri R. V.
Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar
Swaran Singh, Shri
Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh
Tarodekar, Shri V. D.

Tayyab Hussain, Shri
Tewari, Shri Shankar
Thakre, Shri S B.

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao
Tiwari, Shr, R. G.

Tiwary. Shri D. N.

Tiwary, Shri K. N.

Tombi Singh, Shri N.

Tula Ram, Shri
Tulsiram, Shri V.

Uikey, Shri M. G.
Ulaganambi, Shri R. P.
Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P.
Vekaria, Shri
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P
Venkatswamy, Shri G.

Verma, Shri Balgovind
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad
Vlkal, Shri Ram Chandra
Virbhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan, Shri G.

Yadav, Shri Chandrajit
Yadav, Shri Karan Singh
Yadav, Shri N. P.

Yadav, Shri R. P.

NOFS

247 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30tk Admt.) Bill 248

MR. SPEAKER : result* of the

division is :

AYES— 375; NOES — nil

The motion is carried by a majority of
the total membership of the House and by
a majority of not less than two- thirds of
the Members present and voting.

Tha motion was adopted

Clause 2 was added to the Bill

MR. SPEAKER : Clause 3.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The lobbies
should be cleared once again. Otherwise
there will be the impression.

srte vtt ^ i"

MR. SPEAKER : We shall do it at
the final stage again.

Even before that, I got your opinion
about lobbies being closed already. You
said, ‘closed’. If anybody had said that the
lobby should be cleared, I would not have
objected to it.

No amendment is moved to Clause 3.
The question is;

“That Clause 3 stand part of the Bill.”
The Lok Sabha divided :

Division No. 4] AYES [15 38 hrs.

Achal Singh, Shri
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao
Aga, Shn Syed Ahmed
Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram
Ahmed, Shri F. A.

Alagesan, Shri O. V.

Ambesh, Shri
Anand Singh, Shri
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman
Appalanaidu, Shri
Arvind Netam, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha
A^iz Imam, Shri

Bahuguna, Shri H. N.

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar
Baladhandayutham, Shri K.
Balakrishniah, Shri T.

Banamali Babu, Shri
Banera, Shn Hamendra Singh
Banerjee, Shri S M.

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul
Barman, Shn R. N.

Barua, Shn Bedabrata
Barupai, Shri Panna Lai
Basappa, Shri K.

Basumatan, Shn D.

Besra, Shri S. C.

Bhagat, Shn H. K. L
Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri
Bhandare, Shri R. D,

Bhargava, Shn Basheshwar Nath
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish
Bhattacharyyaia, Shri Chapalcndu
Bhaura, Shn B. S.

Bheeshmadev, Shri M.

Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shn Narendra Singh
Brahmanandji, Shn Swami
Buta Singh, Shn
Chaklcshwar Singh, Shn
Chandra Gowda. Shri D. B.

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shn
Chandrappan, Shri C. K.
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa
Shn T. V.

Chandrika Prasad, Shri
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhari, Shri Amarsmh
Chaudhary, Shn Nitiraj Singh
Chavan, Shri D. R.

Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao
Chavda, Shri K. S.

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath
Chellachami, Shri A. M.

Chhotey Lai, Shri
Chhutten Lai, Shri
Chittibabu, Shri C.

Choudhary. Shri B. E.

Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque
Daga, Shri M. C.

Dalbir Singh, Shri
Dalip Singh, Shri
Darbara Singh, Sh

*Tbe following Members also recorded their votes for ‘AYES’ :

Sarvshri priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Mihamval yusif T. Sohan Lai, Damodar

Pandey, K. Veeriah and Dr. Sarad'sh Roy

249 Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1899 ( SAKA )

{30th Admt.) Bill 25 Q

Das, Shri Anadi Charan
Das, Shri Dharoidhar
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K.

Deb, Shri Dasaratha
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh
Desai, Shri D. D.

Deshmukh, Shri K. G.
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S.
Dhamankar, Shri
Dhandapani, Shri C. T.
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri
Dharia, Bhri Mohaa
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad
Dinesh Singh, Shri
Dixit, Shri G. C.

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra
Doda, Shri Hiralal
Dube, Shri J. P.

Dvmada, Shri L. K.

Dutta, Shri Biren
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar
Engti, Shri Biren
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Shri K. R.

Gangadeb, Shri P.

Garcha, Shri Devinder Singh
Gautam, Shri C. D.

Gavit, Shri T. H.

Ghosh, Shri P. K.

Gill, Shri Mohioder Singh
Giri, Shri V. Shanfcer
Godara, Shri Mani Ram
Godfrey, Shrimati M.

Gogoi, Shri Tarun
Gohain, Shri C. C.

Gokhale, Shri H. R.

Goniango, Shri Giridhar
Gopal, Shri K.

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra
Govind Das, Dr.

Gowda, Shri Pampan
Guha, Shri Samar
Gupta, Shri Indrajit
Hansda, Shri Subodh
Hari Kishore Singh, Shri
Hari Singh, Shri
Hashim, Shri M. M.

Hazra, Shri Manor&njan
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M.

Jadeja, Shri D. P.
Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Janardhanan, Shri C.
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Jha, Shri Chiranjib
Jharkhande Rai, Shri

Jitendra Prasad, Shri
Joarder, Shn Dinesh
Joshi, Shri Jagmna fcra.

Joshi, Shri Popatlal M.

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao
Kadam, Shri J. G.

Kadannappalli, Shri Ramachandran
Kader, Shri S. A.

Kahandole, Shri Z. M.

Kailas, Dr.

Kakodhar, Shri Purushottam
Kakoti, Shri Robin
Kale, Shri

Kamakshaiah, Shri D.

Kamala Prasad, Shri
Kamble. Shri T. D.

Kamla Kumari, Kuraari
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal
Karan Shgh, Dr.

Kasture, Shri A. S.

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila
Kavde. Shri B R.

Kedar Nath Smgh, Shri
Khadilkar, Shn R.k .

Kinder Lai, S ri
Kisku, Shn A. K.

Kotoni, Shri Liladhar
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K.

Krishnan, Shri M. K.

Kulkarni, Shri Raja
Kumaramangalam, Shri S. Mohan
Kureel, Shri B. N.

Kushok Bakula, Shri
Lakkappa, Shri K.
Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati T.
Lakshshminarayanan, Shri M R
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Laskar, Shri Nihar
Lutfal Haque, Shri
Mahajan, Shri Vikram
Maljajan, Shri Y. S.

Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar
Majhi, Shri Kumar
Malaviya, Shri K. D.

Malhotra, Shri Indcr J.

Matlanna, Shri K.

Mallikarjun, Shri
Mandat, Shri Jagdish Narain
Mandat, Shri Yamuna Prasad
Manoharan, Shri K.

Maran, Shri Murasoli
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray
Melkote, Dr. G, S.

Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram

251 Constitution

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30th AdrrJ.) Bill 252

Mish;a, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra, Shri G. S.

Mishra, Shri Jagannath
Mishra, Shri L. N.

Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan
Misra, Thri S. N.

Modak, Shri Bijols
Modi, Shri Shrikishan
Mody, Shri Piloo
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri
Mohan Swarup, Shri
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder
Mohsm, Shri F H.

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri
Munsi, Shri Piiya Ranjan Das
Murthy, Shri B. S.
Muruganantham, Shri S. A.
Nahata, Shri Amnt
Naik, Shn B. V.

Nanda, Shri G. L.

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh
Nimbalkar, Shri
Oraon, Shri Kartik
Oraon, Shri Tuna
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath
Painuh, Shri Paripoornand
Palodkar, Shri Mamkrao
Panda, Shn D. K.

Parndey, Shri Krishna Chandra
Pandey, Shn Narsingh Narain
Pandey. Shri R. S.

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar
Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain
Pandit, Shn S. T.

Pamgrahi, Shri Chintamani
Pant, Shri K. C.

Paokai, Haokip, Shri
Paras ha r, Prof. Narain Chand
Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai
Partap Singh, Shri
Parthasarathy, Shri P.

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat
Patel, Shri Arvind M.

Patel, Shri Natwarlal
Patel, Shri Prabhudas
Patel, Shri Ramubhai
Pat I, Shri Anantrao
Patil, Shri C. A.

Paul, Shri E. V. Vikhe
Patil, Shri irishnarao
Patil, Shri S. B.

Patil, Shri T„ A.

Pajnaik, Shri Banamali
Patnaik, Shri J. B.

Pcje, Shri S. L.

Pillai, Shri R. Balakrishna

Pradhan, Shri Dhao Shah
Pradhani, Shi i K.

Purty, Shri M. S.

Qureshi, Mohd. Shafi
Radhakrishnan, Shri S.

Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K,

Rai, Shrimati Sahodrabai
Raj, Eahadur. Shri
Rajdco Singh, Shri
Raju, Snri P. V. G.

Ram, Shri Tulmohan
Ram Dhan, Shri
Ram Prakash, Shri
Ram Sewak, Ch.

Ram Surat Prasad, Shri
Ram Swarup. Shri
Ramji Ram, Shri
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri
Ramsmgh Bhai, Shri
Rana, Shn M. B.

Ranabahadur Singh, Shri
Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A.
Rao, Shri J. Ramcshwar
Rao, Shri Jagannath
Rao, Shri K Narayana
Rao, Shri M, Satyanarayan
Rao, Shri Nageswara
Rao, Shn P. Ankineedu Prasada
Rao, ShriPattabhi Rama
Rao, Shri Rajagopala
Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadaraja
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh
Raut, Shri Bhola
Ravi, Shri Vayalar
Ray, Shrimati Maya
Reddi, Shri P Antony
Reddy, Shn K. Kodanda Rami
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa
Reddy, Shn p. Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasunha
Reddy, Shri P. V.

Richhanya, Dr. Govind Das
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Roy, Dr. Saradish
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri
Sadau Ram, Shri
Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Sanrnta, Shri S. C.

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque
Saminathan, Shri P. A.

Sanghi, Shri N. K.

Sangliana, Shri

253 Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

{30th Arndt.) Bill 254

Sankata Prasad, Dr.

Sant Bux Singh, Shri
Sarkar, Shri Sakti Kumar
Sathe, Shri Vasant
Satish Chandra, Shri
Satyanarayana, Shri B.

Savant, Shri Shankerrao
Savitri Shyam, Shnmati
Sayeed, Shri P. M.

Sen, Shri A. K.

Sen, Dr. Rancn
Sen. Shri Robin
Sethi, Shri Arjun
Sezhiyan, Shri
Shafee, Shri A.

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh
Shambhu Nath, Shri
Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri
Shankar Dev, Shri
Shankaranand, ShnJ*

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma, Dr. H. P.

Sharma, Shri Madhoutm
Sharma, Shri Nawal Ki shore
Sharma, Sh i R N.

Sharma. Dr Shankar Dayal
Shashi Rhi shan, Shri
Shastri, Shri Vrswanarayan
Shastri, Sh i R ja Ram
Shastri, Shri Shcopujan
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Sher Singh, Prof.

Shinde, Shn Annasaheb P.

Shiva Candika. Shri
Shivnath Singh, Shii
Shukla, Shri B R.

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan
Siddayya, Shri S. M
Siddheshwai Prasad, Shri
S ngh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Sinha, Shri Dharam Bir
Sinha, Shri Nawal K'slo e
Si iha, Shri R. K.

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan
Sohan Lai. Shri T.

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh
Sonar, Dr. A. G.

Stephen. Shri C. M.

Subramaniam, Shri C.

Sudarsanam, Shri M.

Sunder Lai, Shri
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri

Swaminathan, Shri R. V.

Swamy, Shri Sidiameshwar
Swaian Singh, Shn
Swatantri ShriTeja Singh
Tarodekar, Shri V. D.

Tayyab Hugsain. Shn
Tewari, Shn Shankar
Thakre, Shn S. B.

Thakur, Shn Krisnarao
Tiwan, Shn R. G.

Tiwary, Shn D N.

Tiwary, Sri K N.

Tombi Singh, Shri N.

Tula Ram, Shii
Tulsiram, Shn V.

Uikey, Shri M, G.

CJIaganambi, Shri R. P.

Lnniki ishnan, Shri K. P.

Vecriah, Shn K.

Vekaiia, Shri

Venkatasubbainh Shri P.

Vcnkatswamy, Shn G.

Verma. Shri Balgovind
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad
Vikal, Shn Ram Chandra
Vnbhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan, Shri G.

Yadav, Shn Chandrajit
Yadav, Shn Karan Singh
Yadav, Shri N P.

Yadav, Shri R. P.

NOES

NIL

MR. SPEAKER : The result* of the
division is : Ayes 377; Noes Nil

The motion is carried by a majority of
the total mcmbeiship of the House and by
a majority of not less than two-thirds of the
members present and voting.

* The motion ntw adopted.

Clause 3 was added to the Bill.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :
“That Clause I stand part of the Bill.”
The Lok Sabha divided.

•The following Members also recorded their votes for 'AYES’ :

Sarvshri Chandra Shailani, Damodar pandey, T. Kiruthman and Kirishna Chandra
Haider.

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AUGUST 17 1972

(30th Arndt.) Bill 25 6

Division No. 5] AYES [15.40 lirs.

Achal Sintrh, Shri
Afszalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao
Ago, Shn Syed Ahmed
Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram
Ahmed, Shri F. A.

Alagesan, Shri O. V.

Ambesh, Shri
Anand Singh, Shri
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman
Appa’anaidu, Shri
Arvind Netam, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha
Aziz Imam, Shri
Bahuguna, Shri H. N.

Bajpai, Shri Vidva Dhar
Baladhandayutham, Shri K.
Balaknshmah, Shri T.

Banamili Babu, Shri
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh
Banerjpe, Shri S. M.

Banerji. Shrimati Mukul
Barman, Shri R. N.

Barua, Shri Bedabrata
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai
Basppa, Shri K.

Basumatari, Shri D.

Besra. Shri S. C
Bhagat, Shri H. K. L.

Bhagirath Bhauwar, Shri
Bhandere, Shri R. D.

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish
Bhattachayyia, Shri Chapalendu .
Bhaura, Shri B. S.

Bheeshmadev, Shri M.

Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

But, Shri Narendra Singh
Bahmanandji, Shri Swami
Buta Singh, Shri
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B.

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chandra ppan, Shri C. K.
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa,
Shri T. V.

Chandrika Prasad, Shri
Chatterjec, Shri Somnath
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh

Chavan, Shri D. R.

Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao
Chadaa, Shri K. S.

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath
Chellachami, Shri A. M.
Chhotey Lai, Shri
Chhutten Lai, Shri
Chittibabu, SSri C.

Choudhary. Shri B. E.
Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque
Dalbir Singh, Shri
Dalip Singh, Shri
Darbara Singh, Shri
Das, Shri Anadi Charan
Das, Shri Dharnidhar
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K.

Deb, Shri Dasaratha
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh
Desai, Shri D. D.

Deshmukh, Shri K. G.
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S.
Dhandapani Shri C. T.
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri
Dharia, Shri Mohan
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prassd
Dinesh Singh, Shri
Dixit, Shri G. D.

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra
Doda, Shri Hiralal
Dube, Shri J. P.

Dumada, Shri L. K.

Dutta, Shri Biren
D wived i, Shri Nageshwar
Engti, Shri Biren
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Shri K. R.

Gangadeb, Shri P.

Garcha, Shri Devinder Singh
Gautam, Shri C. D.

Gavit, Shri T. H.

Ghosh, Shri P. K,

Gill.- Shri Mobinder Singh
Giri, Shri V. Shanker
Godara, Shri Mani Ram
Godfrey, Shrimati M.

Gogoi, Shri Tarun
Gohin, Shri C. C.

Gokhale, Shri H. R.

Gomango, Shri Giridhar
Gopal, Shri K.

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra
Govind Das, Dr.

Gowda, Shri Pompan
Guha, Shri Samar
Gupta, Shri Indrajit
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra

25ft Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1899 (SAKA)

(30th Admt .) Bill 2S8

Hansda, Shri Subodh
Hari Kishorc Singh, Shri
Hari Singh, Shri
Hashim, Shri M. M.

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan
Ishaq ue, Shri A. K. M.

Jadeja, Shri D. P.

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Janardhanan, Shri C.

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Jha, Shri Chiranjib
Jharkhande Rai, Shri
Jitendra Prasad, Shri
Joardcr, Shri Dinesh
Joshi, Sh i Jagannathrao
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M.

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao
Kadam, Shri J. G.

Kadannappalli, Shri Rarnachandran
Kader, Shri S A.

Kahandole, Shri Z. M.

Kailas, Dr.

Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam
Kakoti, Shri Robin
Kale, Shri

Kamakshaiah, Shri D.

Kamala P * sad, Shri
Kamble, Shri T. D.

Kapur, Shri Sat Pal
Karan Singh, Dr.

Kasture, Shri A. S.

Kaul, Shiimati Sheila
Kavde, Shri B R.

Kedar Nath Singh, Shn
Kinder Lai, Shri
Kiruttinan, Shi l Tha
Kisku, Shri A K.

Kotoki, Shri Liladhar
Kotrashetti, Shn A. K.

Kiishnan, Shri M. K.

Kulkarni, Shn Raja
Kumaramangalam, Shn S Mohan
Kureel, Shn B. N.

Kushok Bakula, Shri
Lakkappa, Shri K.
L'lkshmikanthamma, Shrimati T.
Lakshminarayanan, Shn M. R.
Lambodar Bahyar, Shii
Laskar, Shri Nihar
Lutfal Haque, Sh»i
Madhukar, Shri K. M.

Mahajan, Shri Vikram
Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar
Majhi, Shri Kumar

Malaviya, Shri K. D.

Malhotra, Shri Inder J.

Mil llanna, Shri K.

Mallikarjun, Shri
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain
Mandal, Shn Yamuna Prasad
Manoharan Shn K.

Marak, Shii K.

Maran, Shri Muiasoli
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray
Melkotc, Dr. G. S.

Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra, Shri G. S.

Mishra, Shri Jagannath
Mishra, Shn L. N.

Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan
Mo dak, Shri Bijoy
Modi, Shn Shnkishan
Mody, Shri Piloo
Mohammad Yurnf, Shri
Mohan Swarup, Shri
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder
Mohsin, Shri F. H.

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri
Munsi, Shn Priya Ranjan Das
Murthy, Shri B S.
Muruganantham, Shri S. A.
Nahata, Shn Amrit
Naik, Shn B V.

Nanda, Shri G. L.

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh
Nimbalkar, Shri
Oiaon, Snri Kartik
Oraon, Shn Tuna
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath
Painuh, Shn Panpoornanand
Palodkar, Shn Mamkrao
Panda Shri D. K.

Pandey, Shri Damodar
Pandey, Shn Kr.shna Chandra
Pandev, Shn Narsingh Narain
Pandey, Shn R. S.

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar
Pandey, Shn Tarkeshwar
Pandcya, Dr. Laxminarain
Pandit, Shri S. T.

Panurahi, Shn Chintamani
Pant, Shri K. C.

Paokai. Haokip, Shri
Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand
Parmar, Shri Bhatjibhai
Partap Singh Shri
Parthasarathy, Shri P.

Paswan, Shn Ram Bhagat
Patel, Shri Arvind M.

259 Const it u 3 n

AUGUST 17, 1972

(30th Admt.) Bill 260

Patel, Shri Natwarlal
Patel, Shri Prabhudas
Patel, Shri Ramubhai
Patil, Shri Anantrao
Patil, Shri C.A.

Patil. Shri E. V. Vikhe
Patil, Shri Kihhanarao
Patil, Shri S. B.

Patil, Shri T. A.

Patnaik, Shri Banamali
Patnaik, Shri J. B.

Peje, Shn S L.

Pillai, Shn R. Balakrishana
Prabodh Chandra, Shri
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah
Pradhani, Shri K.

Purty, Shn M. S.

Qureshi, Sh'i Mohd. Shafi
Radhaknshnan, Shri S
Raghu Ramaiah, Shn K
Rai, Shnmati Sahodrabai
Raj Bahadur, Shri
Rajdco Sinuh, Shri
P.aju, Shri P. V. G.

Ram, Shri Tulmohan
Ram Dhan, Shn
Ram Prakash, Shri
Ram Sewak, Ch.

Ram Surat Prasad, SJi i
Ram Swarup, Shri
Ramji Ram, Shri
Ramshekhar Prasad S ngh, Shri
Ramsingh Bhai, Shri
Rana, Shri, M B.

Ranabahadur Singh Shri
Rao, Shrimati B, Radhabai A
Rao, Shn J. Rameshwar
Rao, Shn Jagannath
Rao. Dr. K L
Rao, Shri K Narayana
Rao. Shri M Sat>anarayan
Rao, Shri P Anhineedu Prasada
Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama
Rao, Shn Rajagt pala
Rao Dr V. K. R. Varadaraja
Rathia, Shn Umed Singh
Rant. Shn Bhola
Ravi, Shri Vayalar
Ray, Shrimati Maya
Rcddi, Shri P. Antony
Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa
Reddy. Shri P Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha
Reddy, Shri P. V

Richha iya Dr. Govind Das
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Roy, Dr. Saradish
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shn
Sadhu Ram, Shri
Saha, Shn Ajit Kumar
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sambhuh, Shri lshaque
SaminatJian, Shn P. A.

Singhi, Shri N K.

Sangliana, Shn
S inkata Prasad, Dr.

S ini Bux Singh, S iri
Sukar, Shri Sakti Kumar
S tush Chandra, Shri
S ityanarayana, Shri B.

Savant, Shri Shankerrao
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati
Sayeed, Shri P. M,

Sen, Shri A. K,

Sen Dr Ranen

Sen, Shu Robin

Sethi, Shri Arjun

Sezhiyan, Shri

Shafee, Shri A

Shai.awaz Khan, Shri

SJiai’ani, Shn Chandra

Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh

Shambhu Nath, Shri

Shanbar Dayal Singh

Shankar Dev, Sh i

Shankaranand, Shn B.

Slurma, Shri A P.

Shaima, Dr. H. P.

Sha/ma, Shri Madhoram
Sharma, Shn Nav\al Kishore
Sharma, Shri R. N.

Sharma, Dr, Shankar Dayal
Shashi Bhu*han, Shri
Shas»n, Shu Viswanarayan
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram
Shastn. Shn Sheopujan
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Slier Singh Prof
Shinde, Shn Annasaheb P.

Shiva Candika, Shn
Shivnath Singh, Shri
Shukla, Shri B. R,

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan
Sicldhayya, Shri S. M.
Siddheshwar Prasad. Shri
Singh, Shn Vishwanath Pratap
Sinha, Shri Dharam B : r
Sinha, Shri Naval Kishoie
Sinha, Shri R K.

t[ Constitution

SRAVANA 26, 1891 (SAKA)

(30 Arndt.) Bill 262

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan
Sohan Lai, Shri Shri T.

Sokhis Shri Swaran Singh
Sonar, Dr. A. G.

Stephen, Shri C. M.
Subramamam. Shri C.
Sudra r anam, Shri M.

Sunder Lai, Shri
Surendra Pal Sal Singh, Shri
Swaminathan, Shri R. V.
Swamy, Shri Sidiameshwar
Swaran Singh, Shri
Swatantra, Shri Tcja Singh
Tarodckear. Shri V D.

Tayyab Hussain, Shri
Thakre, Shri S. B.

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao
Tiwari, Shri R. G.

Tiwary, Shri D. N.

Tiwary, Shri K N.

Tombi Singh, Shri N.

Tula Ram, Shri
Tulsiram. Shri V.

Uikey, Shri M G.
Ulaganambi, Shri R. P
Unmkri^hnan Shri K. P.
Veeriah, Shri K,

Vekana, Shri
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P.
Venkatswamy. Shn G
Verma, Shri Balgovind
Vcrma, Shn Sukhdeo Piasad
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra
Vi-bhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan, Shri G.

Yadav Shri Chandrajit
Yadav, Shu Karan Singh
Yadav, Shn N. P.

Yadci\, Shri R. P.

NOES

Nil

Noes— Nil.

The motion is carried by a majority of
the total membership of the House and b

a majority of not less than two-thirds of the
members present and voting.

The motion was adopted .

Clause 1 was added to the Bill.

MR. SPEAKER : There will be a voice
vote on the Enacting Formula.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : I suppose, it
will not be challenged in the Supreme Court.

MR. SPEAKER . Even for Clause 1, we
have done it only by way of abundant
caution. For this innocent thing, 1 do not
think anybody like him will go to the court.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : No-
body lakes him seriously, Sir.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That the Enacting Formula and the

Title stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

The Enacting Formula and the Title were
added to the Bill.

MR SPEAKER : Before we go to the
final voting, I would very much like that the
doors be opened. The Members who are left
out can come in.

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : Sir, I beg to
move .

“That the Bill be passed.”

MR SPEAKER : Let the Lobbies be
cleared.

The Lobbies have been cleared.

Th'e question is :

“That the Bill be passed.”

The Lok Sabha divided. :

Division No. 6j AYES [15.46 hrs.

Acht‘1 Singh, Shn
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao

MR. SPEAKER : The .esult of the
division is : Ayes— 376

*The following Members also recorded their votes foi AYES’.

Sarvshri Raghunandan Lai Bhatia, Dhamankar, Y. S. Mahajan, Shankar Tewari
Vasant Sathe and Kumari Kamla Kumari.

263 Constitutions

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(30th Arndt.) BiU 264

Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed
Agarwal, Shri Shrikrishna
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram
A imed, Shri F. A.

Alagesan, Shu O. V.

Ambesh, Shri
Anand Singh, Shri
Ankineedu, Shri Maganti
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rehman
Appalanaidu, Shri
Arvind T^et .m, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Awdhesh Chardra Singh, Shri
Azad f Shri Bhagwat Jha
Aziz Imam, Shri
Bahuguna, Shri H N.

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar
Baladhandayutham, Shri K.
Balakrishmah, Shu T.

Banamali Babu, Shri
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh
Banerjec, Shri S M
Banerji, Shnmati Mukul
Barman, Shri R. N.

Barua, Shri Bedabrata
Barupal, Shri Panna La!

Basappa, Shri K.

Besra, Shri S C.

Bhagat, Shri H.K.L.

Bhagirath Bhanwai, Shri
Bhandare, Shri R D
Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai
Bhattachaiyya, Shri Dinen
Bha tacharyya, Shri Jagadish
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu
Bhaura, Shri B.S
Bheeshmadev, Shri M
Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh
B’ahmanandji, Shri S.vami
Buta Singh, Shri
Chakieshwar Singh, Shri
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B.
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chandiappan, Shri C.K.
Chandrashekharappa Veerabisappa,
Shri T.V.

Chandrika Prasad, Shri
Chatferjee, Shri Somnath
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhari, Shn Amarsingh
Chaudhary. Shri Nitiraj Singh
Chavan, Shri D.R.

Chavart, Shri Yeshwantrao
Chaw da, Shri K. S.

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath

Chellaclrmi, Shri A.M.

Chhotey Lai, Shri
Chhutten Lai, Shri
Chittibubu, Shri C.

Choudhary, Shri B. E.
Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque
Daga, Shri M. C.

Ddlbir Sinch, Shri
Dalip Singh, Shri
Darbara Singh, Shri
Das, Shn Anadi Charan
Das, Shri Dharnidhar
Dasappa, Shri Tul idas
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K.

Deb, Shri Dasaratha
Deo, Shri S.N Singh
De^ai, Shri D D.

Deshmukh, Shn K G.
Deslimukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S.
Dhamankar, Shri
Dhandapani Shn C. T.
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri
Dharia, Shri Mohan
Dhusia, Shri Arant Prasad
Dinesh Singh, Shri
Dixit, Shri G C
Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra
D 'da, Slvi Hira Lai
Dube, Shri J . P.

Dumada, Shri L 1C
Dutta, Shri Biren
Dwivodi, Shri Nagcshvvar
Fng f 9 Shri Biren
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Sh^i K R.

Gangadeb, Shri P.

Garcha, Shn Devinder Singh
Gautam, Shri C D.

Gavit, Shri T H
Ghosh, Shi i P. K.

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh
Gin, Shn V. Shanker
God: ra, Shn Mani Ram
Godfrey, Shrimati M.

Gcgoi, Shri Tarun
Gohain, Shri C C.

Gokhale, Shri H. R.

Gomanga, Shn Giridhar
Gopal, Shri K

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra
Govind Das, Dr.

Gowda, Sh-I Pampan
Guha, Shri Samar
Gupta, Shri Indrajit
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra
Hansda, Shri Subodh
Hari Kishore Singh, Shri

265 Constitution

SRAVANA 26, J894 (Sa RA)

(30th Arndt ) BUI 266

Hari Singh, Shri
H shim, Shri M. M.

Hazia, Shri Manoranjan
lshaque, Shri A.K M.

Jadeja, Shri D. P.

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Janardhanan, Shri C.

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Jha, Shri Chiranjib
Jharkhande Rai, Shri
J tendra Piasati Shri
Joarder, Shri D nesh
Joshi, Shri Jaganna.hrao
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M
Jo, hi, Shrimati Subhadia
Kadam, Shri Daitajnao
Kadam, Shri J. G.

Kadanrappalli, Shri Ramaclandran
Kader, Shri S. A.

Kahandole, Shri Z M.

Kulas, Dr.

Kakcd'iar, Shr. P irushottam
Kakoti, Shri Robin
Kale, Shri

K imakshaiah, Shri D.

Kimala Pi a* ad, Sin i
Kamblc, Sh i T D.

Karn'a Kuman, Kuman
Kapur, Shri "at Pal
Karan Singh, Dr.

Kasture, Shri A S
Kaul, Sh.imui Sheila
Kavde, Shi i B R
Kedar Nath Singh, Shri
Khadilkar, Shri R. K.

K nder Lai, Shri
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha
Kisku, Shn A. K
Kotoki, Shri Li'adhar
Kotraihetti, Shri A. K.

Knshnan, Sh i M. K
Kulkarm, Shri Raja
Kumaramargalam, Shri S Mohan
Kureel, Shri B N.

Kushok Bakula, Shri
Lakkappa, Shri K.
Lakihmikcnthamma, Shrimati T.
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M R,
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Laskar, Shri Nthar
Lutfal Haq - e, Shri
Madhukar, Shri K. M.

M ’hajan, Shri Vikram
Mahajan, Shri Y. S
Mahafa, Shri Debendra Nath
Mahi*h’, Dr Sarojini
Majbi, Shri Gajadhar

Majhi, Shri Kbmar
Malaviya, Shri K. D.

Malhotra. Shn Inder J.

Malkina, Shr: K.

Malhkaijun, Shn
Mandal, Shn Jagdish Naiah
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad
Mdnohaian, Shri K
Maran, Shri Murasoli
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj
M hta, Dr. Mahipatray
Me’kote, Dr. G S.

Mndha, Shn Nathu Ram
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra, Shri G S.

M shra, Shi i Jagannaih
Mishra, Shri L N.

Mislua, Shn Shyamnandan
Mishra, Shri S. N.

Modak, Shi i Bijoy
Modi, Shn Sh ik shan
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri
Mohan Swan in, Shri
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Su der
Mohsm, Shri F H
Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, S' ti
Munsi Shri Priya Ranjan Das
Mmthy, Shri B S.
Muruganantham, Shn S. A.
Nahaia, Shri Amrit
Naik, Shn B. V.

Nanda, Shri G L.

Negi, Shn Pratap Singh
Nimbalkar, Shri
Oraon, Shri Kartik
O aon, Sh - 1 Tuna
Paliada, Shri Jaganiuth
Pa nul , Shn Paripoornanand
Piilodkar, Shri Mamkrao
Panda, Shn D. K.

Pandey, Shn Damodar
Pandcy, Shri Kiishna Chandra
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain
Pandey, Shri R. S
Pandey, Shn Sudhakar
Pandey, Shri Tarkeswar
Pandeya, Dr. Laxm narain
Pandit, Shn S. T
Pamgrahi, Shn Chintamani
Pant, Shri K C.

Paokai, Haokip, Shri
Parahar, Prof, NuainChar.d
Parma-, Shri Bhaljibhai
Partap Singh, Shn
Parthasarathy. Shri P.

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat
Patel, Shri Arvind M.

267 Constitution

AUGUST 17, i<n:

(30th Admt ) Bill 268

Pate!, Shri Natwarla)

Patel, Shri Prabhudap
Patel, Shri Ramubhai
Patil, Shri Anantrao
Patil, Shn C. A.

Pati), Shri E. V. Vikhe
Patil, Shri Krishnarao
Pati), Shri S. B.

Patil, Shri T. A.

Patnaik, Shn Banamalt
Patnaik, Shrj J. B.

Peje, Shri S. L.

Pillai, Shrt R. Ba'akrishmt
Prabodh Chandia. Shri
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah
Piadhani, Shri K
Puit}, Shri M. S.

Qureshi. Shri Mohd, Shaft
Radh .krishnan, Shri S.

Raghu Ramaiah. Shri K.

Raf, Shrimati Sahodrabar
Raj Bahadur, Shri
Rajdeo Singh* Shri
Raju, Shn P. V. G.

Ram, Shri Tulmohaa
Ram Dhan, Shri
Ram Piakash. Shri
Ram Sewak. Ch.

Ram Surat Prasad. Shrr
Ram Swarup, Shu
Ranji Ram, Shri
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri
Ram Singh Bhai, Shri
Rana, Shri M. B.

Ranabahadur Singh, Shii
Rao, Shnmati B. Radhabai A.
Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar
Rao, Shri Jagannath
Rao, Dr. K L.

Rao, Shri K. Naryana
Rao, Shn M. Satyanarayan
Rao, Shri Nageswara
Rao, Shri P, Ankineedu Prasada
Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama
Rao, Shri Rajagopala
Rao, Dr. V. K-R. Varadaraja
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh
Raut, Shri Bhola
Ravi, Shri Vayalar
Ray, Shrimati Maya
Reddi Shri P. Antony
Reddy Shri K. Kodanda Rami
Reddy. Shri K. Ramakrishna
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopai
Reddy Shri P. Bayapa
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga

Reddy, Sh i P. Narasimha
Reddy, Shn P. V.

Richhariya, Dr. Govind Das
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushi la
Roy, Shri B.shwanath
Ray, Dr. Saradish
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri
Sadhu Ram, Shri
Saha. Shri Ajit Kumar
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque
Saminathan, Shn P. A.

Sanghi, Shri N. K.

Sanghana, Shn
Sankata Prasad, Dr.

Sant Bux Singh, Shri
Sarkar. Shn Sakti Kumar
Sathe, Shn Vasant
Satish Chandra, Shri
Satyanarayana, Shri B.

Savant, Shn Shankerrao
Sayeed, Shi i P. M.

Sen, Shri A K.

Sen, Dr. Ranen
Sen, Shn Roben
Sethi, Shn Arjun
Sezhiyan, Shri
Shafee, Shn A.

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri

Shailani. Shn Chandra

Shakya, Shn Maha Deepak Singh

Shambhu Nath, Shn

Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri

Shankar Dev, Shn

Shankaranand, Shri B.

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma Dr. H. P.

Sharma, Shri Madhoram
Sharma, Shn Nawal Kishore
Sharma, Shri R. N.

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal
Shashi Bhushan. Shri
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram
Shastri, Shri Sheopujan
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Sher Singh, Prof.

Sninde, Shri Annasaheb P.

Shiva Chandika, Shri
Shivnath Singh, Shri
Shukla, Shri B. R.

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan
Siddayya, Shri S. M.

Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri
Singh Shri, Vishwanath Pratap
Sinha. Shri Dharam Bir

269 Constitution SRAVANA 26, 1894 (5dJT4) Income Tax 270

(30th Arndt.) Btll (Admt.) Bill

Smha, Shri Nawal Ki shore The motion is carried by a majority of

S.nha, Shri R. K. the total membership of the House and bv

Smha, Shri Satyendra Narayan
Sohan Lai, Shri T.

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh
Sonar, Dr. A. O.

Stephen, Shri C. M.

Subramaniam, Shri C.

Sudarsanam, Shri M.

Sundar Lai Shri
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri
Swaminathan, Shri R V.

Swamy, Shn Sidiameshwar
Swaran Smgh, Shri
Swatantia, Shri Tcja Singh
Tarodekar, Shri V. D.

Tayyab Hussain, Shn
Tewan, Shn Shankar
Thakre, Shn S B.

1 hakur, Shn Krishnarao
'I iwari, Shri R. G.

Tiwary, Shri D N.

Tiwaiy, Shri K. N.

Tombi Smgh, Shn N.

Tula Ram, Shri
Tulsiram, Shri V.

Ihkey, Shri M. G.

Ulaganambi, Shri R P
Unmknshnan, Shn K P.

Veenah, Shri K.

Vekaria, Shn
Venkatasubbaiah Shri P.

Vcnkatswamy, Shri G.

Verma, Shri Balgovind
\erma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad
V.kal, Shn Ram Chandra
Vnbhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan. ShnG,

Yadav, Shn Chandrajit
Yadav, Shi i Karan Smgh
Yadav, Shn N. P.

Yadav, Shri R. P.

NOl.S
Mody, Shn Piloo

MR. SPEAKER . The result of the
divis on is : Ayes— 384; Noes— 1

SHRI K.MANOHARAN (Madras North):
Sir, he has supported all the clauses of the
Bill but at the final stage, of course; he has
voted against.

MR. SPEAKER : He might have press-
ed the wrong button.

So, the result of the division is :
Ayes— 384; Noes — 1.

a rmjority of not less than two-thirds of
the Members present and voting.

The motion was adopted

15 48 firs.

INCOME-TAX (AMENDMENT)

BILL — Contd.

MR. SPEAKER : Now, we move on to
the next item — Hem No. 12 — Income-tax
(Amendment) Bill. Shri Baladhandayutham
to continue his speech.

I may also tell the House that the time
allotted is almost finished.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM
(Coimbatoie) : Yesterday, I was rcfeiring
to socioeconomic objectives as elaborated
by the Minister. I referred to that became
I welcome this amendment not because it
will achieve the oc jo-economic objective,
and whether it will achieve the socio-econo-
mic objective or not is not a matter for
discussion We have been following this
policy of taxation even with regard to direct
taxes in the last 25 years in the hope that
it will do away with the disparity m income
and will achieve socio-economic justice.

15 49 hrs.

[Shri SEZHIYAN in the Chair ]

I now find that it has not achieved the
purpose. So, Let us not indulge in plati-
tudes. Where the question of taxation is
concerned, restricted to this, the Bill means
more income and more revenue for the
exchequer and it will a’so, as Mr Salve was
explaining yesterday, do away with the
inequity between two types of assessees.

When I come to the Bill itseif, I am
surprised at the fact that exemption is
being contemplated for those cases where
the court has decreed in their favour. My
first objection to this exemption clause is
based upon the following pr rciple. The Sup-
reme Court in its field is entitled to interpret
the law. Supreme Court is not concerned wth
the socio economic objectives or with the
purpose of the BjP; the Supreme Court can

271 Income Tax\Amdt.) Bill AUGUST, 1972 Income Tax {Arndt.) Bill 272

[Shri Baladhandayutham -

interpret the law as it is. So, the field of
legislating and achieving socio-econom c
objectives is left to Parliament. So, Parlia-
ment is supreme in its sphere and the
Supreme Court is supreme in its sphere.
As such, when the Supreme Court has found
a lacnca m the B II and interprets it, the
Parliament accepts the interpretation of
the law; Parliament accepts the judgment
of the Supreme Court in this case and wants
to achieve the objective or the purpose for
which this taxation was contemplated To
achieve this purpose, Parliament wants to
amend the law So, Parliament is here
concerned with the amendment to suit their
objective. While doing so, there is no
question of courtesy or gesture to the
Supreme Court. We thank the Supreme
Court for having interpreted the law, and
based upon their judgment, we ace bringing
about a change in the law by means of this
amendment. Therefore, I do not see why
we should exempt those cases where judg-
ment has been given.

It would also mean another thing I
am afraid that it would also be unfair to
the other persons. There are many people
who have not gone to the court. If exemp-
tion is given only to those persons who
have gone to the court, then it means that
they are very clever and they are a for-
tunate lot and they are litigation-mmded
and therefore they can get the advantage
So, by muns of this provision, Gavernmnt
seem to prefer aid con aliment the people
who are htigition-minded. Tne whole In-
come-tax Act has been put into shame
becauseof the niumerablc cases that have
been taken to me High Court and the
Supreme Court, anJ the Government have
not been able to collect the arrears. I feel
that it would be unfair to discriminate
between those who went to the court and
those who did not go to the court.

I am opposed to this exemption clause
even from the point of view of practical
experience. If this exemption clause is
passed, tomorrow, again the Supreme Court
may intervene and say that it is discrimina-
tory, because there are two types of asses-
sees, one who want to the court and won
the case and the other who did not go to
court. This discrimination between an

assessee who has gone to the court and an
assessee who has not gone to the court may
be construed as discrimination under the
Constitution because there are two types of
of assesses. So, from the point of view
of practical experience, from the point of
view of fairness and from the point of view
of equality before law, from the point of
view of the sphere with which it is con-
cerned, this will not stand scrutiny.

Further, when we are having retro-
spective effect, we must be fair to all.
Either we should not have retrospective
effect and we should say that the old cases
are gone, whether paid or not paid and
Government aie not gom; into those cases
now or we should be fair to all. Since,
whoever. Government are going into the
past cases, I would submit that they must
cover all the cases and not give exemption
to any particular class.

In general, I welcome this Bill, but I
v\ould submit that there must be an end to
this process of going on amending as and
when something is found wrong or some
lacuna is found. Government must come
forward with a simple comprehensive Bill
on inco ne-tax which will be intelligible to
the ordinary man and which can be enforced
more easily and which will not bring in all
the complications of law and also drag in
auditors who will go on giving ideas about
how to circumvent the law by using every
small word here or there. Government
must attempt to bring forward a very
comprehcn>ive and simpie Bill with legard
to income-tax

THE M MISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : This is a very simple Bill, and
except Shri R. V Bade, all sections of the
House have suppor ed this Bill. The reasons
for bringing forward this Bill before the
H )ase have been explained in the statement
that I have placed before the House and
the necessity for the Ordinance that was
issued has a’so been explained there.

There are only two or three points per-
taining to the Bill on which I should like
to reply. During the course of the discussi-
on, of course the whole gamut of income
tax law was gone thrqugh, also the question
of arrears, the wanchoo Committee Report,
evasion of ta* aqd various other matters.

273 Jncome Tax (Admt.) BUI SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) Income Tan (Arndt ) fiill 274

Thes$ have been discussed from time to time
in the House. The House is also aware that
Government are considering the recommen-
dations of the Wanchoo Comm>t f ee report
and vary expeditious steps are being taken
to final is ) their decisions on the recommen-
dations so that whatever loopholes are there
are plugged.

Shri Ba T adhandayutham raised the ques-
tion of exemption. Cl. 5 specifically provides
that the new provision will not apply to
the assessment of an assessee for a particu-
lar assessment year where before the comm-
encement of Ordinance the Supreme Court
has on an appeal in respect of the assessme-
nt of the assessee for that year held that
wealth tax paid by the assessee is deductible
in cemputing the total taxable income for
that year. The reason for giving this exemp-
tion is that these taxpayers had gone to the
Supreme Court and obtained a verdict and
we wish that the sanctity of the decision of
the Supreme Court should be respected.
We have also been advised by the Law
Ministry that it would be equitous if these
exemptions to one or two firms which had
gone to the Supreme Court w:re given.

In a previous decision, in 'he case of
Jamnadas vs the Commissioner ot Income
Tax, the Bombay High Court had observed
as follows :

“They took the trouble to prefer
the appeal, they took the trouble to
prosecute it, they incurred cost and
they succeeded in getting a judgment
from the Supreme Court. A possib’e
view also was that the judgment of the
Supreme Court should be respected, as
it should always be respected by the
legislature of the land, and although
they dealt with future cases, Parliament
perhaps did not intend that actual
judgment delivered by the Supreme
Court in a particular reference before
them should be altered or modified by
the law that the Legislature was
passing’*.

On this basis, there exemptions have been
included in the Bill.

As the hon. member pointed out, the
main object of the Bill is that the socio-
economic policies pursued by Government,
the fiscal strategy they adopt should be used

to see that wealth and income above a par-
ticular ceiling become non-productive. This
wou’d have been defeated if the decision of
the Supreme Court had not been honoured.

I Commend the Bill to the acceptance of
the Hou^e.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is :

“That the Bill further to amend the
Income-tax Act, 1961, and to provide
for barring, m the computation of total
income in respect of certain assessment
years prior to the assessment year 1962-
63, deduction of amounts pa d on
account of wealth-tax, be taken into
consideration”.

The motion was adopted

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are no
amendments. The question is :

“That clauses 2 to 6 stand part of the
Bill” ,

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 2 to 6 were added to the Bill.

Clause I the Enacting Formula and
the Title were added to the iiii.

SHRI K. R GANESH : I move :

“That the Bill be passed”

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved :

“That the Bill be pissed”.

16 hrs.

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SHRI K. R. GANESH : There is no
question of safeguarding the Indian
Aluminium Co. or anybody e'se. I have
given the reasons in the Statement of
Objects and Reasons. We havs explained
why the ordinance was necessary, we have
said that it would have involved a tremen-
dous administiative problem and the loss
of a tiemendous amount of revenue. As I
indicated, the Sc>nctit of the decision of
flit- Supreme Couit had also to be preserved
and taken into consideration. It was also
the view of the Law Ministry that it should
be d >r.e

There are only two assessees who will
come under this exemption One is Indian
Aluminium and the other is the Standard
Vacuum Oil Co 'I he total estimated revenue
involved is Rs. 3 lakhs to Rs 4 lakhs

The further points that the hon.
Member has ra'sed have already been
answered.

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH ‘ Onlv two
companies are exempted Why this exemp-
tion and disci iminat ion ?

SHRI K. R GANESH : I have replied
to that I m iy not have been able to
convince him, but I have given him the
Judgment to the high court, and it is the
sa> ctity of the Sunreme Court which is
being p.eserved and wh«ch is being respec-
ted.

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH : Only for
two cases you arc putting this proviso.

MR CHAIRMAN : order, order I
shall put the motion to the vole.
The question is.

“That the Bill be passed.”

The motion was adopted

16.04 hrs.

PUBLIC DEBT (AMENDMENT) BILL

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH ) : I beg to move :

“That the Pill further to amend the
Pub’ic Debt Act, 1944. be taken into
consideration.”

277 Public Debt

S HAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

(Arndt.) Bill 278

The Public Debt Act was enacted in
1944 to regulate the administration of public
Debt of the Central Government and the
securities issued by them. The Act was
amended in 1949 to be appl.ed to the
administration of the public debt of the
governments of the erstwhile provinces of
India and the securities issued by them.

It was further amended in 1956 so as to
apply it to the public debt of the erst-
while Part B States except Jammu and
Kashmir. Section 1 (s) of the Act, as
amended, provided that the Act apples to
Government securities issued, whether
before or after the commencement of the
Act, by the Central Government or the
State Governments other than the
Government of Jammu and Kashmir.

The Raserve Bank is statutorily respon-
sible for the management of the public
debt of the Central Government and the
State Governments The Government of
Jammu and Kashmir, which had not
raised any public loan m the past, proposes
to enter the market fiom this year for
augmenting resources for financing its
development outlays. As a uniform law for
the administration of government secuiities
is both essential and convenient, the State
Government have requested tint the provi-
sions of the Public Debt Act be made
applicable to the Public debt of the Jammu
and Kashmir Government and the securities
to be laised by it. The Public debt of the
State falls under the State list The Jammu
and Kashmir Legislailve Council and the
Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly
have passed resolutions in pursuance of
article 252 (l) of the Constituti >n empower-
ing Parliament to amend the public Debt
Act with a view to make its provisions
applicabte to the securities issued by the
Government of Jammu and Kashmir and
to its public debt.

The Bill seeks to amend the Public Debt
Act of 1 44 for this purpose.

This is a very small and non-controver-
sial measure. There are only five clauses.
Of these four are intended to provide for
the application of the Public Debt Act to
the securities to be issued by the Govern-
ment of Jammu and Kashmir.

Opportunity has also been taken to sub-
stitute sub-clause (3) of section 28 of the

Public Debt Act relating to laying of copies
of fu’es made under the Act on the Table of
both Houses of Parliament on the lines
approved by the Committee on subordinate
legislation of both Houses of Parliament.
Sir, I move.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved :

“That the B.ll further to amend the
Pub ic Debt Act, 1944, be taken into
consideration. *'

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura East):
The aim of the Bill is to extend the Public
Debt Act of 1914 to the State of Jammu and
Kashmir So far this Act did not operate in
Jammu and Kashmir This Bill seeks to set
this position right A political decision to
that effect has been taken. Kashmir had
been treated on a separate fotting and was
free from the operation of certain clauses of
the Constitution Now this Act is sought to
be expended to that State and a political
decision has been taken to that effect. This
Bill is a commendable one and I suppoit it.

At the same time I want to point out
that it is time to put a moratorium on
foreign debt, particularly American debts.
American* have in the recent past showed
sufficient hostility towards India. American
funds, e i pecia!ly Ford Foundation funds
arc creating havoc in our cultural life. They
have been influencing our educational
inst.tutions Our cultural and political life
wxild be poPated if that was a’lowed to
continue That is why while supporting this
Bill I request the Government to take certain
measure* and to declare a moratorium on
foreign debts, particularly American debts.

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AUGUST 17, 1972

(Admt.) Bill 280

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SHR1 K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobilli) :
Sir, this is a simple, non-controversial Bill.
Regarding the issue of debts by States, I
submit a liberal attitude should be taken.
We have been hearing that the States owe
a lot of debts to the Reserve Bank with the
result that their creditworthiness has been
very much curtailed, in this context, I
submit that the financial position of the
States is ver) inelastic So far as the Centra]
Government is concerned, though the Cons-
titution lays down that Parliament may
prescribe a maximum limit to its borrowing,

I do not think any maximum limit has been
prescribed by Parliament. The Central

Government has borrowed a lot of money
from outside at a marginal rate of interest.
But the rate at which Reserve Bank gives
money to the State Governments is much
more than 'he interest at which the Centre
borrows money from outside, I suggest that
the S'ate Governments should be given loans
at the same interest and not at higher rate
of interest.

With these words, I support the Bill.

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI (Dhara-
puram) . Sir, 1 support this Bill and I want
to say a few words about the financial
resources of State Governments. Last year,
the Central Government raided loans to the
tune of Rs. 600 crores. .But the State
Governments including Electricity Boards
have raised only Rs. 400 crores. This shows
that the State Governments have to raise
funds for their own programmes according
to their own needs. In the case of Jammu
and Kashmir, it is very late If this B 11 has
been introduced long back, the subsidy we
are giving to that State could have been
reduced. So, this Bill is long o erdue and
is affecting the public exchequer also. I
request the Government to extend other
facilities to the State of Jammu and Kash-
mir.

With these words, I support the Bill.

SHRI K R G\NESH : Sir, I am thank-
ful to hon. members for the support they
have given to this Bill. As t said, this is a
non-controversial Bill. Members have raised
quest ons about moratorium and other
matters, with which this particular Bill is
not concerned. These problems have been
discussed in this House often and various
steps are being taken so that internal resour-
ces are mobilised and self-sufficiency attai-
ned.

The hon. member of the DMK said this
Bill has come very late. Probably he is not
aware that it was for the Jammu and Kash-
mir Government to decide. Under the
Constitution, it is the State legislature which
has to pass a resolution to come
under the Public Debt Act. The
Kashmir Government only recently
decided to come under this, and we have
taken the first opportunity to see that this
Bill is placed before the House.

281 Public Debt
(Arndt,) Bill

SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA)

Taxation Laws 282
(Admt.) Bill

For the benefit of the hon. Member I
may mention that Kashmir is a backward
State to which the Central Government is
giving its fullest support. The Fourth Plan
of Jammu and Kashmir was fixed at Rs.
158.4 crores of which the Central assistance
was Rs. 145 crores. Thus, over 90 per cent
of the State Plan outlay is financed entirely
by the Central assistance. The curient year’s
Plan outlay is Rs. 36 crores out of which
Central assistance is Rs. 32 crores. Accor-
ding to the budget estimates of this year,
the revenue receipt of the State is Rs. 102*21
crores and revenue expenditure Rs. 107.52
crores, leaving a deficit on revenue account of
Rs. 5.31 crores. The overall deficit is Rs. 2
crores which is expecied to be covered by
additional taxation and improvement in tax
collection. With these words, 1 commend
the Bill for the acceptance of the House.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is :

“That the Bill further to amend the
Public Debt Act, 1944, be taken into
consideration.”

The morion was adopted.

MR CHAIRMAN : Since there are no
amendments, I will put all the clauses to
the vote together. The question is :

“That clauses 2 to 5 stand part of the
Bill ”

The motion was adopted .

Clauses 2 to 5 were added to the Bill .

Clause l, the Enacting Formula , the preamble

and the Title were added to the Bill.

SHRI K.R. GANESH : I beg to move :
“That the Bill be passed”

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved :
“That the Bill be passed”

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SHRI K.R. GANESH : As the House
is aware, and as has been discussed in this
House many times, the special provisions of
article 370 are there. Still, as the hon.
Member knows, progressively many of the
piovisions of the Constitution have been
extended to the State of Jammu and
Kashmir. A new climate has emerged in
that State, a new temper is there in the
country, and it is with the co-operation of
the people and Government of the State of
Jammu and, Kashmir and the people of
India that this matter will finally be decided.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is :

“That the Bill be passed”

The motion was adopted,

16 20 hrs.

TAXATION LAWS (AMENDMENT)
BILL

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Mr. Chai-
1 man Sir, I beg to move :

283 Taxation Laws

AUGUST 17, 1972

(Admt.)Bi!l 384

[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan]

"Tha* thq Bill further to amend the
Income-tax Act, 1961, the Wealth-tax
Act, 19^7 and the Gift-tax Act, 1958, as
reported by the Select Committee,
taken into consideration."

Sir, the Taxation Laws (Amendment)
Bill, 1971 was introduced in this House on
the 12th August, 1971 and was leferred to
the Select Committee on the 17th November,
1971. The Report of the Committee was
presented to this House by its chan man on
the lOth May, 1972. The Committee held 13
sittings, scrutinised a number of memoranda
and representations received from various
individuals, professional associations, trade
organisations, etc. and also heard
evidence of various individuals, associations,
etc. I would like to heartily congratulate
the Select Committee on the thoroughness
with which it has dealt with this important
Bill.

The Bill, as it has emerged form the
Select Committee, has undergone imple-
ments m several directions. The Select
Committee has spelt out the reasons for ihe
changes made by it. I do not, therefore,
propose to take the time of the House by
going over the entire ground again. I would,
however, like to explain the objects of the
Bill and the main changes recommended by
the Select Committee

As Hon’ble Members are aware, the
device of understanding the sale price of
immovable properties in sale deeds is being
widely used for evading taxes. The conside-
ration paid in ‘white money’ is recorded in
the transfer deed and ‘black money’ is
passed in cash under the counter. This
enables the purchaser to utilise his untaxed
income and reduce his liability in respect of
stamp duty. The seller is ab’e to avoid his
liability for capital gains tax and obtain
funds for investment outsde the books of
account or for the purposes of lavish perso-
nal expenditure. One of the principal obje-
cts of the Bill is to counteract tax evasion
through this device by empowering the Cen-
tral Government to acquire immovab'e pro-
perties, including agricultural lands, -at
prices which correspond to those in sale
deeds. The Bill al<o contains provisions for
improving the administrative set up and
arrangements for valuation of buildings,

lands and other assets fer purposes of the
d reel tax laws and for bringing about better
regulation and discipline over non-official
valuers. Finally, in order to discourage
benami holdings of property with a view to
tax evasion, the Bill seeks to make provi-
sion in the Income-tax Act debarring
persons from erfoicing their claim in a
court of law to any properly held in a
benami name, unless they have disclosed the
same before tax authorities.

I wou'd now deal with some of the
important changes made by the Select
Committee in the prov«s ons relating to
acquisition of immovable properties. Under
the provisions in the Bill as introduced,
immovable property could be acquired only
in cases where the property was transferied
by way of sale. It would, therefore, have
been possib’e to circumvent the provisions
for acquisition of property by effecting the
transfer in the form of exchange, that is,
by paying the consideration for the trans-
fer partly in cash and partly in kind or
who'ly m kind The Select Committee has,
therefore, recommended that transfer of
immovable piopeity by way of exchanee
should also be b ought withinthe ambit of the
piovisions in the Bill The change suggested
by the Committee is, indeed, very desirable
and l would commend its acceptance by the
House.

Under the Bill as introduced, the expie-
ssion “.mmovable property” was defined to
cover only buildings or lands or any lights
therein The Commitee is of the view that
this defind on is somewhat narrow in its
scope and may not cover transfer of a pait
of a build ng or composite transfeis of
land, building, machinery, plant, etc In
order to ensure that the provisions relating
to acquisition of immovable property aie
not defeated by transferring only a part of
a building or by making composite transfers
of land, building, plant, machinery etc , the
Committee has proposed an enlargement of
this definition so as to cover such cases
also. Here again, the change suggested by
the Committee plugs a lacuna in the Bill
and is to be welcomed.

Under a special rule of evidence
contained in the Bill, it had been speci-
fically provided that where the property has
been transferred for an apparent considera-
tion wh ch is less than its fair market value.

285 taxation Laws

SRAVANA 26, 1894 ( SAKA )

[Adml.) Bill 286

it shall be presumed, unless the contrary is
p?oved, that the consideration for such
transfer as agreed to between the parties ha9
not been truly stated with the obj ct of tax
evasion by the transferer or the transferee.
The Committee is of the view that in order to
ensure effect «ve operation of the provisions n
the Bill, it would be necessary to modify and
strengthen this special rule of evidence. The
Committee has accordingly recommended that
where the fair market value of any property
exceeds the consideration for its transfer as
declared in the deed by more than 25% of
such consideration, this should be
deemed to be conclusive proof of the
fact that the consideration for the property
has not been truly stated in the instrument
of transfer. The other presumption, namely,
that the understatement in the va'ue of
the property was made with the object
of facilitating tax evasion will, however,
remain rebuttable I am in respectful agree-
ment with the views of the Committee. I
believe that un'ess the rule of ev dence is
modified and strengthened in the manner
rcco amended by the Committee, the provi-
s ons in the Bill may fail to sejure the
desired objective. I, therefore, whole-hearte-
dly commend the acceptance of the changes
proposed by the Committee in this behalf

While the Committee has suggested
various measures for ensming the effective
operation of the provisions in the Bill, it
has also recommended certain safeguards to
protect the legit, mate interests of the citize-
ns against possible misuse of powers of
acquisition The Committee has accordingly
pioposed thit the competent authority sho-
uld record his reasons in writing before
initiating acquisition proceedings and that
these proceedings should not be initiated
unless he has reason to believe that the
fair market value of the property ex' eeds
its apparent cons deration by more than
15% of such consideration. Further, with
a view to enabling the parties to determine
the period of limitation for initiating proce-
edings for acquisition of property with
greatery certainty the Committee has pro-
posed that the period of limitation should
be reckoned from the end of the m nth in
which the instrument of transfer is registered
and not with reference to the date of receipt
of requisite information from the register-
ing officer or the transferee. The Comm’ttee
* also felt that the peiiod of limitation for

filing objections against the initiation of
acquisition proceedings was not adequate
and has accordingly suggested an e> tension
of this period. Another very important
change made by the Committee is in regard
to appeals against orders of acquisition made
by itic competent authority, Under the provi-
sions in the Bill as introduced, an appeal
against such orders could be preferred to the
Central Board of Direct Taxes. The Commi-
ttee is of the view that such appeals should
not lie to an administrative body, but to a
Judicial and independent forum. The
Committee has, therefore, recommended
that appeals aginist the orders of the com-
petent authority should lie to the Income-
tax Appellate Tribunal. While the decision
of the Income-tax Appellate Tribunal would
be final in regard to questions of fact, the
parties concerned wou‘d have the right to
file an appeal to the High Court on any
question of law arising from the order of
the Appelate Tribunal. I am inclined to
think that the modifications suggested by the
Select Committee would be widely welcomed
as providing adequate safeguards for the
fair and impartial administration of the
provisions in the Bill.

I would now briefly refer to some of the
points raised by the two Hon’ble Members
in their Minutes of Dissent. Under the
provisions in the Bill, proceedings for acqui-
sition can be initiated only in cases where
the fair market value of the transferred
property exceeds twenty-five thousand
rupees Shri Baladhand.iyutham has
proposed the removal of this condition on
the ground that this will provide a loophole
for circumventing the provisions in the Bill
th ough piecemeal transfcis of immovable
properties in parts not exceeding twenty-five
thousand rupees in value. The removal of
this condition will, however, unduly extend
the scope of these provisions and generate
enormous work in scrutinising a large
number of transactions in respect of immo-
vable properties of even very small values.
The suggestion made by the Hon’ble Member
is, therefore, not feasible on administrative
consideration*. Government will, however,
keep a close watch on transactions of immo-
vable properties and if it is noticed that the
provisions of the Bill are being circumvented
in any manner, necessary corrective action
wi*l be taken. I am also unable to agree
with the suggestion of the Hon'ble Member

287 Taxation Laws

AUGUST 17, 1972

(Admt.) BUI 288

[Shri Ycshwantrao Chavan]

that there should be no time-limit for the
initiation of acquisition proceedings. The
acquisition of immovable property is a
drastic step and it is only fair that the buyer
of the property should know within a
reasonable time whether Government propose
to take over his property under the provi-
sions in the Bill. 1 will, however, like to
allay the apprehensions of the Hon’ble
Member by assuring him that Government
will take suitable administrative steps to
ensure that proceedings for acquisition of
immovable property are initiated, wherever
necessary, within the period of limitation
and do not get barred due to negligence or
collusion. The Hon’ble Member has also
suggested the deletion of the provision for
the payment of a solatium of 15% over and
above the consideration stated in the trans-
fer deed He has observed that this provision
has been retained on the ’‘flimsy argument”
of abundant aution to meet possible risk of
challenge to the constitutionality of the
proposed legislation. 1 really fail to under-
stand how the Hon’ble Member can regatd
a matter affecting the constitutional validity
of the whole legislation as a flimsy ground.

Hon. Member Shri Piloo Mody has
made two points. He has observed that the
expression “fair market value” should be
clearly defined and the criteria and guide-
lines for its determination laid down in
unambiguous terms. Under the provisions
in the Bill, the expression “fair market
value” in relation to immovable property
transferred has been defined as the price
that the property would ordinarily fetch on
sale in the open market on the date of
execut on of the instrument of transfer. This
definition is broadly on the lines of the
definition of this term contained m the
other direct tax laws and has come to have
a definite and well-understood connotation.
It is also not possible to lay down in the
law any rigid set of criteria for ascertaining
the fair market value which will necessarily
have to be determined on the facts and
circumstances of each case by applying well-
established principles of valuation. The
other point made by the Hon’ble Member
is that a provision should be made in the
Bill to enable a seller to get an advance
ruling from the Income-tax Department as
to the fair market value of the property

proposed to be transferred. The suggestion
is not practicable as it would requite the
setting up of a vast administrative machin-
ery at enormous cost to deal with numerous
requests for the prior clearance of agree-
ments for transfers of immovable properties.
The honest citizen has, however, nothing to
fear because if properties are transferred at
the correct fair market value, l am sure,
there will be no occasion for th- competent
authority to initiate acquisition proceedings
under the proposed provisions. To sum up,
therefore, I am unable to commend for
acceptance the suggestions made by the two
Hon’ble Members in their Minute of
Dissent.

The Bill also seeks to make provisions
for the reference of the valuation of any
capital asset or property by the assessing
authority to a Valuation Officer. With a
view to avoiding any arbitrariness on the
part of the tax authorities in making such
references, the Committee has recommended
the spelling out of certain guidelines on the
basis of which such references may be made.
The guidelines suggested by the Committee
would provide a salutary check on the
exercise of the discretion by the tax authori-
ties and I would, therefore, commend their
acceptance.

The Select Committee has recommended
several other changes which constitute a
distinct improvement over the provisions in
the Bill as originally introduced. 1 would,
however, not tire the Hon’ble Members bv
going into the details of these changes The
objects behind the proposals in the Bill are
laudable. The Bill constitutes a significant
step forward in our fight against tax evasion
and I earnestly hope that it will receive full
support from all sections of the House.
With these observations, Sir, I move.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved:

“That the Bill further to amend the
Income-tax Act, 1961, the Wealth-tax
Act, 19 7 and the Gift-tax Act, 1958,
as reported by the Select Committee, be
taken into consideration.”

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL
( Moradabad ) : Mr. Chairman* black
money is a growing menace and it has
greatly harmed the national economy. If
it is analysed, then one qan say that it has

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become a source for immorality. The Wan-
choo Committee, w l i'e analysing it, has
described black money that it puts integrity
at a discount and placed a premium on
vulgar and ostentatious display of wealth.
There are no two opinions in this country
that all efforts must be made both by the
State and the people to check blackmoney.
We should not only check black money, but
we should see that the factors responsible
for its further gcieration are brought under
control.

While taking all these measures, we
should also see that as a nation, we do not
reduce ourselvjs into a Police State.

Sir, I support this Bill, particularly the
objectives inherent in this Bill. It is a
noble objective, and, as the hon. Finance
Minister said, it is a laudable objective, I
agree, we must do everything possible to
unearth black-money in this country.

The h- n. Minister has said that the
Select Committee has done its best to
improve it in so imny ways. Unfortu-
nately still there are many loopho'es, or I
may call, certain lacuna, in this Bill It
was pointed out repeatedly thit it vill grant
sweeping powers to the tax admn istrative
machinery and these powers would be
unparallelled in the history not only of this
country but of anv part of the world.
Secondly, it would open up the doors of
corruption to an extent which would be far
greater than what we are going through
now. Thirdly, it would certainly give a
set-buck to the building activity. While
we as a nation arc committed to guarantee
basic minimum to the people and while we
want that the housing activity is encouraged
in every possible manner, and that as a
nation we should give the basic minimum
to the people, I feel, this measure may bring
the building activity to a standstill. There
is a backlog of twelve million houses; we
need at least four million houses every
year. 1 wish to submit that this measure
should be implemented without in any way
impeding the building activity in the
country.

1 congratulate the Finance Minister in
that he has accepted the concept of a
Tribunal in the Select Committee ind that
has certainly given an impression that there

would be a fairdeal to all, including those
who indulge in black mopey.

The limit in this Bill is Rs. 25,000. [t
has been suggested repeatedly that the value
should be raised to Rs. 50.000. The hon.
Financfe Minister does not think it practical
an! proper. • He has argued that it need
no be reduced either. 1 had an impress-
ti m that the hon. Finance Minister would
agree to remove this linrt of Rs. 25,000. I
would propose, Sir, that this limit of
Rs. 25,000 should go and there should be
no limit whatsoever. The Finance M : nister
feels that the temper of the nation is that
they would not agree to raise this figure.

I hope he will agree with us. This fair
market value is a very doubtful phenome-
non. I really do not know how the tax
experts or the tax machinery would evaluate
the fair market value, and I fear whether
it would really not open the flood-gates of
corruption in a big way. For the last
twenty years, laws are being made and
amended m such a large number of ways
that we see that the tax evasion is growing
every year. Let Government go into the
whole disease and find out why our tax
laws are nit able to check black money in
the country. I feel that so long as shor-
tages in the market continue to grow,
nobody and no law on earth would be able
to check black money

The Wanchoo Committee has very
rightly said that it is the tax rates which
are known to be the highest in the world
which are laigely responsible for creating
black money in this country. Therefore, 1
would urge the Finance Minister to go into
the disease and find out how we can really
check black money.

It has been pleaded that the best thing
would be to accept the concept of auction,
because the moment a property is auctioned
everybody would know exactly *hat the fair
market value is. But that was not accepted
for many icasons. But now there is the
question of constitutional validity, and as
also pointed out by the hon. Minister, both
the Finance Minister and the Law Minister
are satisfied that this law will not relate to
the acquisition of property and therefore,
we must satisfy article 31 <2). If that is
to be satisfied, then the proposed a qjisition
must be for a public purpose. This cannot
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sation. The question is whether these two
tests are satisfied. When the property is
acquired by Government or by the State,
what will the State do with the property ?
That question has remained unanswered. If
the property is acquired by the State or
utilised for public purposes, then, of course
it can be justified.

This Bill deals only with one aspect of
black money while so many other aspects of
black money have remained out of the scope
of this Bill. 1 would plead with the
Finance Minister that they should bring
forward a comprehensive Bill which would
cover all aspects of black money, whether
it be property or trade or anything else so
that the nation knows that those who hold
black money would be treated as criminals
and they cannot be spared. Unless Govern-
ment brings forward a comprehensive and a
detailed Bill, I do not think that we can go
very far on this question.

Ultimately, the solution for checking
black money does not lie in these measures.
These are temporary in nature. The ulti-
mate solution lies in the sort of economic
policies that we are to pursue in this
country, whether those economic policies
are such as would produce honest and effi-
cient men or corrupt, dishonest and ineffi-
cient men.

1 feel that so long as we do not consi-
der the Wanchoo Committee's recommend-
ations in detail and bring forward suitable
measures, we shall not be able to achieve
the laudable objectives.

With these words, I support the Bill.

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA (Bahraich) : I
extent my wholehearted support to the
provisions of this very radical measure
which would prevent effectively the tax
evasion practised by a very large number
of assessees in this country.

Black money is no doubt a very wide-
spread phenomenon in this country, and
various measures have been siggested from
time to time to put an end to the increasing
menace of black money. 1 think that the
.preient measure is one of the effective
ways to curb the operation of black money

and at the same time to bring in more
money to the coffers of Government by
acquiring the property which such tax*
dodgers acquire by malpractices and by
misuse of the law.

One of the ways is that a person who
has acquired a property for an apparent
consideration which is less than 15 per cent
of the fair market price of it has to lose
that property under this Bill. Now the
point has been raised by one hon. member
that is might open the floodgates of corrup-
tion. whenever a power is given to a
certain authority or officer, there is always
an inherent danger of its misuse. But that
is not valid argument for not conferring
powers on that authority. Where there is
power there is apprehension of its misuse.
How the misuse is to be curbed or prevented
is a matter to be considered at the adminis-
trative level. The point we are concerned
with is whether the measures we are going
to adopt in the shape of this Bill are the
proper once or not.

1 would illustrate how this Bill is going
to be very effective. A person has got Rs.
40 lakhs or a crore of rupees. He is not
disclosing it. At the same time, he does
not want that this unaccounted money
undisclosed to the assessing authority should
remain idle or unproductive. So he enters
into a shady transaction with another
person and acquires a property the market
value of which is Rs. 40 lakhs or Rs. 1
crore. But he does not want to show that
amount in the transfer deed. Therefore,
he shows a price far below it. Thereby he
shows to the authorities that he has invested
an amount which is only an apparent consi-
deration, not the real amount which is
much more than the apparent value men-
tioned in the deed.

In his budget speech, the hon. Finance
Minister said that at least once he is going
to believe the dishonest man, take his state-
ment at its face value as mentioned in the
transfer deed and pay him something more
to acquire the property that is, 15 per cent
more. Although I agree with the object
set out in the Bill, I am afraid the Bill
may be struck down on the grouad of
constitutionality either in the High Court
or the Supreme Court. My reasons are as
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deprived of his property save by authority of
law which provides for the payment of com-
pensation and also provides that it is going
to be acquired or requisitioned for a public
purpose. Under this Bill, two conditions
are satisfied, namely that, the property is
going to be acquired by the authority of
law and secondly compensation is also
going to be whether it is going to be pro-
vided for. But I doubt acquired for a public
purpos ebucause the very objective of the Bill
is to acquire property for checking evasion
of tax. So the objective does not state that
it is going to be acquired for a public pur-
pose.

AN HON. MEMBER : Pub’ic purpose.

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : It may be for
a public purpose. In every measure you
say that it is for a public purpose. When-
ever we pass any law for the benefit of
the public, by presumption and implication,
it is of course said that it is for a public
purpose but when you say in your objectives
that this measure is going to be passed in
order to curb the menace of tax evasion,
that may be indirectly a public purpose,
but not, as I consider it, it is a public
purpose. So, I have suggested an amend-
ment which may come in due course of
time. Last year, we had adopted another
amendment to the Constitution, and that
is, ai tide 31C. That article says that if
the legislature, that is, Parliament, declares
in that very enactment that this is a mea-
sure to be enacted m order to secure the
State policy as contained in article 39 (b)
and (c), then the validity of the measure
shall not be questioned in a court of law.
Therefore, my submission is that though,
as my friend says, the provisions of this
Bill fully ensure that the property is to be
acquired for a public purpose, we must
have a law which is still more foolproof by
putting down that declaration contained in
article 31C so that there may not be any
further room for contention by the party
interested in defeating the provisions
of the law.

I would also go to the extent of saying
that the time limit for initiating the pro-
ceedings is very limited. That is in respect
of the six months period. Supposing a clerk
in a certain office has slept over the
matter and the proccedirg has not been
initiated within six months, what happens?

Properties worth lakhs would be involved
in such cases. A petty official may get
away or ignore (he rule, and a huge,
decent sum may be taken as bribe to
see that the provisions of the Act are
defeated in their purpose. My submission,
therefore, is that the period of six months
should be extended to at least three years,
so that the assesssing authorities who are
responsible for the implementation of the
provisions pet a sufficient time to initiate
the proceedings, because such a limited
period of six months is not enough to pro-
perly implement the provisions of this
law.

There is another feature of this Bill.
Supposing the proceedings for acquisition
have not been started or the property is not
acquired for some reason or the other, but
the apparent consideration falls short of
the fair market value. What should be done?
My submission is that the law of income-
tax and wealth-tax should take care of
the such situations. What is to be done ?
The defference between the fair market
value and the apparent consideration
should be deemed as undisclosed income of
'he assessee and it should be added to his
income and in the cases of an assessee
who is liable to wealth-tax, the difference
should be deemed to be the capital asset of
that assessee. Therefore, the appropriate
provisions of the gift-tax, wealth-tax and
income-tax laws should apply and the pro-
visions with regard to penalty and forfeiture
should be applicable to such cases where
the property for some reason or the other
is not acquired under the provisions of this
law.

It has been argued by an hon. Member
that the whole economic svstem should be
created in spell a way where only honest
persons should live. My subm sion is that
criminals and tax-evaders and tix-dodgers
have been co-existing for a very long time.
Howsoever idealistic society may be created,
and howsoever idealistic la*s may be enacted
such persons, whatever may be their per-
centage, will remain.

In order to check their activities these
laws have been cnaeted. I shonld not be
misunderstood because I am voicing a
different opinion on certain points. My
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there should be no room for any tax evader
to defeat the provisions of law by taking a
matter to the highest court in this country.

This is my submission. 1 only submit
that if my suggestions are found worthwhile
they may be incorporated in this Bill.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura
east) : It seems that this Bill has been
brought forward with the intention of deali-
ng effectively with the tax evaders, l do
not think that the Bill as it is would be
able to check tax evaders. We know the
pernicious effect of black money on Indian
economy. It is one of the interesting
characteristics of the capitalist economy.
India is silently building up capitalist econ-
omy though there is a tall talk of socialism.
The pernicious effects of black money had
not been arrested in these years but it
encouraged more and moie.

A BUI with stringent measures is long-
overdue to deal with black money but 1 am
sorry to say that the form in wh,ch this
Bill had been placed even after consideralion
by the Select Con mittee is disappointing
and it will not serve the desired purpose.
It cannot arrest the operation of black
money, rather black money will be in oper-
ation in full swing in the Indian econorpy.
If you want to stop tax evasion the first
and foremost thing would have been to
declare demonetisation. Otherwise you
cannot catch tax evaders This Government
is unwilling to den onetise. It seems that
the Government is out to have only some
propaganda, some eye-wash

It is obvious that the party wh ch is
largely dependent for its survival on the
meicy of big-money bags, the tycoons
of black money in India cannot be
expected to dec'are demonetisation or to
take steps against their monarchs and lords.
The ruling party subsists on black money
and they expect to fill their coffers for
w nning electii ns. The present Bill is a
gesture or attempt to hoodwink the public
by saying that they are go ng to arrest
tax evasion.

In the Bill the definition of the term
‘immovable property’ is verymuch defective
Housing co-cperative societies have been

left out of the purview of the Bill on the
plea that the transfer is not of flats but
of shares The hon. Member Shri Balada-
ndayudham has raised this question in his
minutes of dissent and I quite support him.
He is quite ccr e . According to my opinion,
hjus ng co-operatives should have been
brou ht within the purview of the this
Bi'l.

This Bill is confined to acquisition of
immoveable property in certain cases. But
all pioperties under- valued in assessment
in oide. to evade tax should be acquired.
Otherwise, under the pretext of the so-
caded “under-valued , \ tax evasion will
continue and such evaders will go on
unpunished because the provisions of this
Bill cannot touch their hairs.

17 hrs.

It has not been made legally obligatoiy
to acquire any property transferred simply
because it is less than fair market value
of the piopcrty. This provides sufficient
loopholes. The Government under the
pretext of this provsion may spare some
people fiom being brought under the oper-
ation of this law if such persons are their
favourites Any transfer/ ed property, simply
because it is less than the fair market value
for an apparent consideration should not be
left out of ihe scope of this provision of
ihe Bill and such a property should be
acquired It should be made binding on
the the Government by law to enforce
this legislation in letter and spirit. Othcr-
w se, the tax-evaders will go unpunished

Only pioperty exceeding Rs 25,000 is
taken into consideration for being acquned.
Section 269 (c) (I) of chapter XX contempla-
tes that any property of a fair market value
exceeding Rs 25,000 only can be liable for
initiation of proceedings for the acquisition
of such property, transferred for an appa-
rent consideration, less than the market
value by 15 per cent. This will leave loop-
holes and the property may be transferred
piecemeal People who want to evade this
legislation can do so by transferring his
property in parts, in such a manner that
each part is of the market value of less
than Rs. 25,000. You see the case of land.
Before the ceiling came f into force, they
fragmented their land and transferred it ih
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property intact though in different names.
In this case also it will happen, because
people are clever enough to evade this law
You are giving them ample opportunity to
transfer their properly piecemeal and they
will not be torched by this Bill. That is
why I oppose it.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRl K R.
GANESH) : This matter was gone into very
extensively by the Select Committee and
the definition of “property** has been expan-
ded to take care of the apprehensions he
has expressed

SHfcl DASARATHA DEB : l am not
questioning the wisdom ofthe Select Commi-
ttee, but I differ from their judgment,
What the hon. minister says is not there
in the Bill. Hence the \\ords ‘exceeding
Rs. 25,000” must be removed from this
Bill.

The piovision for not taking any action
alter the expny of six months of the regist-
ration of transfer is a defect. This is very
surprising and funny If within 6 months
any proceeding has not been instituted
against that person who transfers the pio-
perty, he will not be brought under the
purview of this Act The b g people have
sufficient money. They can corrupt the
particular officer who is dealing with the
case and with his collusion defraud the
government of its due. In the mean while,
the time will elapse. So people will be able
to evade these taxes. That is why I say that
thisprovision must go and there should be no
time limit. If at all there is any time-limit,
it should be three years and not Six months.
Because, six months are not sufficient to
start a proceeding against a person. To
provide that no pioceedmgs shall be institu-
ted after the expiry of six months of the
registration of the transfer of property,
coupled with lack of any provision to deal
with want on delays, again opens out the
way for evading this legislation. Therefore.
J fully agree with the suggestion made by
Shri Baladhandayutham.

Then the provision that compensation
has to be paid fifteen per cent in excess is
also unwarranted. Why do you want to give
compensation to those people Who wanted
to evade the taxes ? Why should any mercy
be shown to the accused, to the culprit ?

Some people say that it may lead to compli-
cations and they may go to the court. If
the judiciary comes in the way, it should be
stopped by suitable legislation. After all,
we have enacted so many legislation just
to avoid intervention by the judiciary. So,
this compensation clause should not be
there.

Then, the term “fair market value” is
confusing. There must be some guidelines.
Otherwise, it will depend upon the sweet
will or mercy of the officer assessing the
value or the market price, and the govern-
ment will be the loser.

SHRI K. R. GANESH: If only in the
Select, Committee the hon. Member had
seen to it that his representative in the
Committee had strengthened the views held
by a section of the members of the Select
Committee, many of the problems which he
is raising would have been solved.

MR. CHAIRMAN: But that does not
preclude him frgm expressing his views.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I am only poin-
ting out that all these points were discussed
in the Select Committee in all seriousness.
Many views were expressed in the Select
Committee; Government themselves had
some viev\s in the matter as a result of the
experience gained in the implementation of
the Act. So, I am only saying that a little
more sei lousness will help us to have better
laws.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB: It is tine
that my representative was there. Even if
it was not raised in the Committee, that
docs not preclude my raising it hcie.

So, this particular clause is highly objec-
tionable and our party cannot suppoit this

Thirdly, even if ue pass this Bill, we
cannot stop blackmoney. As I said in the
beginning, the first and foremost task which
you have to attend to is demonetisation.
Then, at least, you may get some money.
O.herwise, you cannot get it. . . .

SHRI K. R GANESH: That money has
£6ne into these channels; that money is not
available.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB: You will get
it. It will come out in the open nferket.

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With these words, I conclude my speech.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash):
Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is a Bill which
is the outcome of the Interim Report of the
Wanehoo Committee. Though we are to
see the outcome of the Wanehoo Committee
Report, we are yet to see the Interim
Report of the Wanehoo Committee, Sir,
as a Member of the Select Committee, you
also wrote to the Minister that a copy of
the Interim Report of the Wanehoo
Committee should be circulated at least to
the Members of the Select Committee
which was not done by the Government in
its own wisdom. Now, fortunately, Mr.
Joytrimoy Bosu has given us a copy of the
Interim Report of the Wanehoo Committee.

1 do not know whether it is authoritative
or not. It is upto the Government to
challenge it.

As far as the Bill is concerned, I am in
complete agreement with the object of the
Bill, that is, to counter evasion of tax
through under-statement of the value of
immovable property, to check the circulation
of black money and to curb the practice of
benami holding of property with a view to
evade tax. But to wipe out black money,
we have to see that b*aclr money in circu-
lation is prevented and also, in future, the
creation of black money should also be
prevented. For that, I suggest, an effective
way and that will be that all the payments
which we make, say. for example, above
Rs. 100 or Rs. 200, should be paid only by
cheques or drafts. That is to say, all the
liquid cash should go through the bank.
Only then we can wipe out black money
from circulation.

Another positive way that I would like
to suggest is this. At present, our income-
tax rate is so high as expressed by the
Wanehoo Committee — it is 97.75 per cent
that a man who earns some income wou’d
like to evade tax and keep something for
himself. I think, the Government must
seriously consider the suggestion of the
Wanehoo Committee to bring down the
highest rate of tax but, at the same time,
enforce the law very vigorously and
strictly.

Now, I come to the main question,
namely, the constitutional validity of this

Bill which has been discussed in the Select
Committee in a very lengthy way. When
one of the leading lawyers of the country,
Mr. Setalvad, appeared before the Commi-
ttee, he argued that, in pith and substance,
this Bill is not a law relating to taxation
but is a law relating to acquisisiton of pro-
perty and hence, it must apply with the
constitutional requirements, namely, article
31(2) of the Constitution. It reads:

“No property shall be compulsorily
acquired or requisitioned save for a
public purpose."

Mr. Setalved argued that if it is going
to be held that it is not a law of taxation
but a law of acquisition of property, then
“public purpose" should be established. But
the Law Minister, Mr. Gokhale, argued
before the Committee that it is not a law
relating to acquisition of property and that
it is only a law relating to taxation. He
said :

“A taxation law may not impose a tax
but may provide for the machinery to
plug loopholes."

Hence, he said that it is not a question
of acquisition and, even if it is considered
as a law relating to acquision, he said that
the public purpose will be the stopping of
tax evasion and the curtailment of black
money. That will constitute a public
purpose.

Again, it has been argued that under
Entry 42 of the Concurrent List read with
Entry 82 of the Union List, the Union
Government is empowered to acquire pro-
perty throughout the country.

It has also been argued by the Law
Department that the public purpose has
been defined as :

“The phrase, whatever else it may mean
must include a purpose, that is an object
or aim, in which the general interest of
the community, as opposed to the parti-
cular interest of individuals, is directly
and vitally concerned."

“Hence, the presence of the element of
general interest in the Bill must be
regarded as public purpose."

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They have also referred to the Consti-
tutional provision article 31(5Xb)(i), that
‘Nothing in Clause (2) shall affect the
provisions of any law which the State may
hereafter make for the purpose of imposing
or levying any tax or penalty' and they say
that the provision is a precautionary
measure and will protect the Bill as far as
this is concerned. I think, the Supreme
Court may not agree with this far-fetched
argument. Once it is held that this parti-
cular law is a law relating to the acquisition
of immovable property, we will have to
establish that there is a public purpose for
this acquisition. Hence, the Law Secretary
was wise enough to suggest — and he agreed
with my view and suggested — inclusion of
a provision in the Bill to the effect that the
property acquired will be used for a certain
specific public purpose. 1 do not know
why the Government did not agree with the
Law Secretary and have not inc'uded any
or some of the public purposes in the Bill.
Hence, I have my own doubts that, if it is
challenged, it may not withstand in the
Supreme Court.

Another point that I would like to
emphasize is getting prior clearance for a
purported sale. This has been taken up in
the Select Committee. If there are inno-
cent buyer and seller, they can get prior
clearance; after entering into the agreement,
they can apply to the competent authority
and if the competent authority says that
there is nothing wrong and they can go
through the sale, they can go through the
sale and they can, without attracting the
sword of Damocles, namely, acquistion of
property, enjoy the property as a whole.
The Law Secretary is inclined to agree with
this view.

Finally, as the members have already
pointed out, this is no doubt a drastic
power which is going to be vested in the
officials. As has been pointed out already,
there is a tremendous scope for corruption
in this Bill because we are going to deal
with lakhs and lakhs of rupees worth of
property, whether it is house or landed
property. Government should be aware of
this and should take precautionary measures
while implementing this measure.

With these words, I support this Bill.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM
(Coimbatore) : The Bill on amendment of

Taxation Laws is based upon the interim
report of the Direct Taxes Inquiry Commi-
ttee given by Mr. Wanchoo. It was not
wise on the part of the Government to have
given the privilege to a member to leak the
interim report.

17.19 hrs.

[SHRI K.N. TIWARY in the Chair ]

It was still more unwise for the Finance
Minister to have attempted to explain as to
why the interim report was not published
or released to the public or placed before
the House. Even if he had remained silent
on that account, he would have been wiser.
By trying to explain or give reasons for not
publishing the report — which were not
convincing to us— he has also created more
suspicion, and it has become a matter of
questioning everywhere — not only by the
members of the House but even by the
Press which had to comment that the
reasons given by the Minister
were unconvincing. Now why do
I take up this Interim Report 7 It is
because this Bill is based on the Interim
Report. One of the recommendations made
in the Interim Report is being sought to be
implemented here in this Bill. But, of all
the recommendations made in the Interim
Report this is one of the smallest recom-
mendations. The other two recommend-
ations are more important and particularly,
demonetisation was really on of the most
effective ways of dealing with black money.

The second one also, with regard to
ceiling, if the report, as leaked out by the
Member is true, with regard to ceiling on
cash one can keep with himself, can be very
effective. This is only dealing with the
matter m piecemeal and this particular
recommendation, however welcome and
however good a step in the right direction,
is not adequate.

So, at the outset, I want to say that
this is a very piece-meal legislation. The
Bill fs very much restricted in its scope and
as such, it is not going to be very effective.

Now, this is a Bill on evasion of taxes,
I want to go on record that if a Bill on tax
evasion should proceed against further
vasion, a Bill which is against tax evasion

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should not lend itself to evasion* That is
why I brought forth my three suggestions. . .

SHRI D1NEN BHATTACHARYYA
(Serampore) : Double scope for evasion.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM :

So I suggested thgt the stipulation with
regard to the minimum amount and the
stipulation with regard to the minimum time
for initiation of proceedings can be deleted.
But the Finance Minister, while introducing
the Bill, seems to be convinced that there
is some point in what I said that with
regard to the minimum there is scope for
evasion by dividing the property and dispos-
ing it off piecemeal and with regard to the
minimum period also collusion is possible
that officials and, especially, big sharks are
capable of and have got the means to influ-
ence and corrupt officials so that the period
stipulated may elapse and they may go scot-
free. Now, this is our apprehension. But
the Minister was trying to convince the
House that with regard to the minimum
amount, that is, Rs. 25,000 regarding valu-
ation of property, if it is not there, there
will be too many cases and administrative
difficulty was the plea taken by the Finance
Minister. If it is only the question of
administrative difficulty, is it not possible
for the Government to initiate policy that
the Department need not go into cases
which are below the value of Rs. 25,000 and
only concentrate upon those properties
which are above that ? You can have a
policy, but if you put it in the Bill, then
it becomes a handle for those who can
evade and who want to evade. But, if it
is a policy, you can provide against it and
at the same time, see that there is no
administrative difficulty because of accumu-
lation of so many cases to be dealt with.
There, I appeal to the Finance Minister even
now to deal with the question as a matter
of policy and not as the letter of the law
as part of the Bill.

With regard to the minimum period also,
if they want to see that people who have
had some transactions are not anxious about
what is going to happen to them and in order
to ease their mind you want to provide a
minimum period, I would suggert that you
can administratively enforce this. You see
that the Department acts in time and every

case is apprehended within six months and
proceedings are initiated within six months.

It is one thing for you to bring about the
efficiency in the executive and another thing
to give this loophole and if the period of
six months elapses, then can get away with
it and go scotfree.

With regard to the second provision also,
they can make

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MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is being
rung

Now, there is quorum. Tfu hon. Member
may continue.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM. Sir,
the claim of the Government has been that
this Bill is a B.ll of penalty, — that is, that
the property that is acquir d, is acquired as
a ‘penalty’ for people who evade taxes. It is
not odd. Sir, that in a Bill of penalty, you
reward the guilty with a solatium of fifteen
per cent ? With regai d to this very matter,

I raised an objection and I gave out my
dissent but this was dismissed very casually
by the Finance Minister, on flimsy grounds.

It was pleaded before the Select Committee
that the Courts may hold that this is a dis-
criminate y Bill, if the acquisition is done
under Land Acquisition Act, they have to
pay a solatium of 15 per cent and if this
Bill acquires property without paying that
solatium, the Court may hold it discrimina-
tory. This was the plea advanced; this was
the argument, which I may respectfully sub-
mit, a flimsy, argument, —which was
advanced, based upon wh«ch the Select
Committee was peisuaded to accept the 15
per cent solatium, but otherwise, the con-
sensus was and continues still to be that we
need not reward the guilty by paying 15 per
cent solatium. Anyway, the consensus in the
House, I am sure is this, that if this 15 per
cpnt solatium could be avoided, that would
be welcome. Nobody is keen that this 15 per
cent should be paid. What is the plea ? The
plea is only the constitutionality on the
point of discrimination. My point is, if you
pay 15 per cent and acquire the property,
after all the difference between the market
value and the apparent conside/atioi) has
to be only 20 or 25 per cent. You acquire

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property; you pay 15 per cent more. You
acquire property at market value very nearly.
Where is the penalty ? Penalty is supposed
to be the black-money exchanged under the
table.

If this is the way it is going to be a
deterrant, only if you acquire the property
by succession, it is not going to solve the
problem. I can understand if this Gill
includes' all immovab ! e property which is
assessed under less than the market value
for payment of taxes. In that case I can
understand this Bill. But what happens
is, this is only a piecemeal attempt. It is
only a deterrent; it wants to prevent the
passing of black-money at the table, while
selling of the property or the buving of the
property takes place. In a Bill of this nature
which has to act as a deterrent, the deter-
rent can be there only if it frightens the man
away from entering into these transactions
But we find that Government are going to
pay apparent cosideration plus 15 percent.
Apart from the amount that they pay, they
are going to pay solatium also as if it is an
ordinary or normal transaction and there is
no penal aspect about it. I submit that this
is not conductive to the objective. I would
strongly urge that this clause under which
Government would be paying a solatium
should be deleted. I would like Govern-
ment themselves to come forward with an
amendment, or else accept the amendment
which I have tabled for dealing with this
aspect at least, because this is Bill which is
attacking black money and transactions in
black money and it is for the first time that
acquisition of property by Government is
being resorted to as a matter of penalty for
tax evasion.

It has been argued that this is not acqui-
sition for a public purpose. I submit that
it is not a Bill for acquisition for a public
purpose, but it on'y a Bill of taxation. If
it is a law of taxation which contains a
penal provision, then I thivk that the pro-
vision regarding solatium should go. If that
particular clause is not deleted, I feel that
the Bill will become a very normal Bill and
it will not be a deterrent and this provision
will vitiate the very principle of this
Bill and will also defeat its very purpose.

In conclusion, I would say only this that
ibis is only a piece-meal legislation and
\% a very restrseted one. However restricted

it may be, I welcome this Bill because it i 9
a step in the right direction. However, J
would submit that this Bill is a half-hearted
one, and in its implementation, there are
going to be so many difficulties. I am also
afraid of corruption which has been referred
to by my hon. friend Shri G. Viswanathan
from the DMK.

To prevent corruption on the part of a
valuer, there is a provision to the effect that
a valuer who is found guilty of wilfully
wrong valuation shall be imprisoned or
fined. I tried my hardest to see that it was
only imprisonment, because where offices
are concerned, they should be above board,
and they should be above reproach and
suspicion, and at least in the case of the
valuers whoes word is going to be taken
seriously in dealing with properties, we
thought that the clause must be more strin-
gent and it must at least put the fear of God
into them that if they deal with the matter
casually or if they do it for other consider-
ations, they will be dealt with very strongly
by the law of the land. But that provision
also is not there.

Ultimately, while welcoming this Bill, I
would like to urge upon Government that
there must be a comprehensive Bill dealing
with the entire question of black money
which would prevent balck money in any
form.

For that purpose, even no.v, I would
like the interim report of the Wanchoo
Committee to be published and placed on
the Table of the House 1 want the Wanchoo
Committee’s fUi report to be discussed in
this House, and when a comprehensive BJ1
is brought forward, these things can become
a part of that measure. Tackling this prob-
lem in a pieqe-meal way would not solve the
problem effectively. Again, it W'ould become
one of the measures which would be disregar-
ded and circumvented and made a mockery
of by those who arc continuing to accumu-
late black money. m

With these words, I welcome this Bill
and support it but I would like the amend-
ments which I have referred to be accepted
by Government, and if the Bill is passed
with those amendments, it would take us in
the right direction for dealing with black
money

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SHR1K.NARA YANA RAO (Bobilli) :
This is a meaningful measure which has
introduced three novelties into the tax
structure of this country. The three novel-
ties are to detect and prevent the under-
mentioning of the capital assets in the
returns submitted to the income-tax authori-
ties, secondly to pievent the purchasing of
prop< rties for an amount less than the
market value and thirdly to see that black
money is not invested m benamt tiansac-
tions.

So far as the three Jatidcb’e objectives
are concerned, there is no dispute about
them are and there is no difference of op-
inion also. But on certain details, the
differences are bound to be there.

In this context, I wou'd like to point
out that there is a provision which s:-ys
that when there is transfer of property for
which the market value is more by 15 per
cent, then the income-tax authorities
can initiate proceedings and acquire the
property for the consideration mentioned
in the registration deed.

So this will, to my mind, o perate as a
salutary deterrent 1 would put it no more
than that It will be a deterrent on the man
who sells and on the nun who purchases
It is more a deterrent on the person who
receives the property for a consideration
shown in the document registering the deed
as only an apparent consideration, not the
real amount /because he knows that theie
is the possibility of Government acquiring
it at the value which is mentioned in the
document plus 15 per cent solatium. As I
said, this is a double deterrent, both on the
seller and on the bu>er To that extent, the
amendment is meaningful and novel also.

Then comes the question of bananu
transactions. The Bill piovides that if any
person claims in a court of law about the
property, unless he has shown the income
from this in his income tax return, he can-
ned have a cause of action in the court.
That way, it is not possible for anyone to
engage in a banami transaction so as to get
away from the tax net. From the point of
nicety also, there is everything to commend
this p ovision.

But there arc certain issues vhkh have
leen raised, not only J eie but in the Select

Committee, of which I was not a member.
One of the points raised, which has consi-
derable force in it is, whether this enact-
ment, particularly the transfer part of iti
would be attracted by art. 31 (?).

There are three things involved under
this article One is that no person shall be
deprived of his piopcrty without the autho-
rity of law Secondly, there should be no
acqui.ition or deprivation of private proper-
ty save for a public purpose. Here comes
the difficulty. There are two things. Is it
ncc.ssaiy to take it that whatever property
is compulsorily acq iiied must be used for
a public purpose, that is to say, it should
be used directly by Government ? The point
is whether the use which is to be put of it
is to be viewed as a public purpose or
whether the acquisition is to be for a public
purpose or not.

I would like to illustrate the point to
make myself clear. Suppose a particular
piece of land is required foi the purpose of
construction of a school or a building or an
industry Government compulsorily acquire
the land and give it to somebody else who
puts up the school or industiy. The Govern-
ment do not directly do it.

So the concept of ‘public purpose* must
be viewed widely Once you accept that wide
connotation, there is no difficulty about it.
Even otherwise, suppose you say that public
purpose is to be constiued as a purpose for
which that pioperty is to be utilised, then it
can be covered, though it is not meant for
a public purpose in the sense that it is used
for a public purpose. The sum and substa-
nce, the di ect result, of this particular
acquisition is that it has nothing to do with
thar part, but it is more for the purpose of
penal action against tax evasion. Jf you
accept this, I do not think either way the
matter will be open to doubt.

Coming to certain criticisms of the Bill,
ore related to the minimum amount of
Rs. 25,000, mentioned by my hon. friend.
The point here, as he also correctly stated,
is that it is more as a deterrent that it is
meant. And when you look at these transa-
ctions, the problem of administration is also
there. The administrative problems are there
Fow are we going to manage each property.

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unless it is property of a high magnitude ?
The administrative problem* are there.
Take* for mstence, the property of Rs. 10,000
which is acquired. For that, we have to
spend Rs. 10,000. So, if small properties
are not going to be acquired for obvious
reasons, and when you look at the problem
in its proper perspective, when properties
are compulsorily acquired for a public pur-
pose, the administration of these things will
itself become a big problem. I can under-
stand the minimum, but there are two other
things which agitate my mind along with
that of other friends. About that also, I
have tabled some amendments.

As the hon. Minister rightly stated, in
the original Bill, the period of six months
is to be counted from the time
the information is got from the registration
otfue to the income-tax department. It is
good. But now they have substituted the
provision and said that the period of six
months shall be from the date of registration
in the registrar’s office. The original provi-
sion was meaningful in the sense that there
was a period of six months afler the income-
tax au horities received the information.
Now, that penod is also further i educed by
virtue of certain alterations in the wordings
in the Bill. It is everybody’s knowledge,
how the department works. Of course, the
hon. Minister gave us an assurance that
he would see that all these things would be
expedited, but if only he goes to the lower
level, he can see what types of devices are
adopted to see that a particular thing does
not go into the desk.

My submission, therefore, is this. When
once your basic objective is to achieve a
certain thing, why amend the original pio-
vision ? Nothing is going to happen. I
submit that a penod of one year would be
meaningful, because, after the registration,
the matter is to go to the concerned autho-
rities, and the concerned income-tax autho-
rity has to vanfy whether this particular
property is there and whether the amount
mentioned in the sale-deed is in excess of
15 per cent of the market value or not. For
the satisfaction of the authority, cartain
enquiries have to be made and only then,
can come to the conclusion that the parti-
cular property mentioned in the document
exceeds or is less than 15 per cant of the
market value.. Therefore, my submission is

that the Government has to accept that
there must be at least one year. Let us all
be fair enough to see that whatever we do,
we should not have any limitation. Anyway
one year is substantial.

Similarly, about 15 per cent, actually,
what is happening? When will the initia-
tion of the proceedings for the acquisition
of property take place ? What is the guide-
line ? The guide-line is, when the market
value is more than 15 per cent of the amount
mentioned m the sale-deed, then alone, the
proceedings have to take place. If the
amount is belcw that, no proceedings can
take place If the competent authority comes
to the conclusion that the market value of
the particular property is about 16 per cent
that is, the property is more than what is
mentioned in the document, what is the
point in paying 15 per cent ? Or, let it be
just 15 1 per cent. What does one get out
of it ? Apart from the percentage, what is
the tremendous amount of expenditure, by
virtue of this thing, that is involved here ?

Now, you are having what are called
value-officers.

AN HON. MEMBER : Valuers. (Inter-
ruptions)

SHRI K NARAYANA RAO : You are
having a new system by having value-officers.
This is the first time that they are introduc-
ing, apart from the registered valuers, what
are called value officers. You have to main-
tain them. There is litigation; and there-
after, even for the propei ties you acquire,
you do not know the use thereof.

Sometimes the money stands idle on
that particular property until you put it to
benefic al use. Therefore, paying fifteen per
cent, the logic or the legality of it is not
understandable. I submit: let it be below 15
per cent. Instead of 15, I have asked foi
12 pei cent in my amendment. With these
remarks, 1 welcome this Bill and support it.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvatfu-
puzha) : As could be expected, I rise to
support this Bill. I have no doubt that the
basic policies which motivated the drafting
of this Bill will receive general acceptance
from all sections of the House, though
some amendment^ may be moved. I want to
remind the House that this measure was

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contemplated by the Finance Minister even
in 1971 as is evidenced by his observations
in the Budget speech in May 1971:

“Undervaluation of property has
been one of the means of evading wealth
tax, capital gains tax and some other
duties. It has also been an important
avenue for the circulation of black
money. This practice could be greatly
discouraged if Government had the
power to acquire properties at prices
that correspond to what is recorded in
the saledeeds. Accordingly we propose
to move a Bill during the current session
to acquire the power. I hope it would
not be considered dishonourable to
take an honest man at his ownword.”

An attempt has been made to make out
as though this step was proposed by the
Wanchoo Committe. 1 quoted the budget
speech of the Finance Minister only to emph-
asise the fact that the step was contemplated
long before Wanchoo committee ever thought
of it. Anyway it is now taking concrete

shape ( Interruptions .) I am not here

opposing the dissenting note of Mr. Bala-
dhandayutham; I am in sympathy with some
of the propositions he has been
propounding.

As was cogently pointed out, this meas-
ure being a penalty measure, the solatium
that can be granted has got to be minimum.
The money that is going to be paid bnt
concealed under the transfer deed will be
more for the purpose of protecting the
transferee than for the purpose of protecting
the transferor. False deeds are taking place
so that black money could find a place for
investment. To increase the value to
the extent of 15 per cent may defeat the
purpose of the Bill considerably. Once it
is conceded that the property is worth
really more than what is spent not in the
deed, what should be done ? We proceed
when we assume that it is at least 25 per
cent less than the real value. Therefore,
it is conceded that the value of the property
is higher than the figure spelt out in the
deed. Therefore, it may not be
constitutionally viable if an attempt is
made to take over the property
without paying what may appear
to be a reasonable compensation

What is spelt out in the deed will be good
enough, but if constitutionally that is not <
possible, something more may have to be
done. It is in that spirit that this amount
has been spelt out. Even there, there is
sufficient discouragement for the investor.

We step m when the margin is 25 per cent.

15 per cent is the solatium we are giving. He
is losing 10'per cent. But 25 per cent is the
minimum margin. Actually it may be more.
So, the transferee will be losing substantially
even if 15 per cent is given. Therefore, it
has to be conceded that a solatium will have
to be stipulated if it is to stand constitu-
tional sciutiny. Whether it should be 15 or
10 or 12 per cent is a matter of minor judg-
ment. Once an assessment is made that he
has really paid money more than what is
evidenced by the sale deed, there will
certainly be further proceedings against him,
asking him where from he got the money and
so on. This may be just the beginning of
further proceedings against that man. There
is no doubt that this is an effective, well-
intentioned step of going ahead to net in
black money. This was contemplated even
1£ years back.

The next point raised by Baladandayu-
tham was this 6 months period. The Finance
Minister in his opening speech has dealt
with that. I do not say there is no force in
the argument of Mr. Baladpandayutham, but
there is the other aspect of the matter,
supposing the transferer for the purpose of
concealing his income and making a profit
out of the value of the property, sells it, and
supposing I purchase it in a bona fide
manner at a bargained price, should there
not be some certainty for me to possess
that property ? If the Damocles sword is
hanging over me all the time, would I care
to work and improve that property ? To a
certain extent, for a certain period, this
uncertainty can continue. But it should not
be for all time to come. So, a time has to
be stipulated. Whether it should be 6 or 9
or 12 months is again a matter of detail.
The important matter is whether a time
stipulation must be there or not. I feel it
has got to be there. If the Government
could on its own come to the House with a
legislation asking for power to take over a
property almost aroujid the price which is
spelt out in the transfer deed, the bonafides
and earnestness which prompted the Govern-
ment to do so will certainly enable the

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Government to come before the House again
if they find that this six months* period is
too short and persons are escaping from
the net. The important point is, an earnest
effort is being made to face this malady of
black money. Much has been said about the
interim report. I do not know why so
much noise is being made about it.
What is contained in the interim report,
that broad proposition is already there.
Even in 1971 this was spelt out clearly. It
is not as if some new big discovery has
been made by some body and so repeatedly
a demand is being mad and much noise is
made about a discussion here. It would say
that in the inerests of the general dignity
to of the House it is better not discuss
it here. That would be the path of sanity,
even though incessantly, repeatedly ad
nauseam demands are made for its discus*
sion.

Three propositions were put forth. They
are being implemented. There is no hide
and seek about it. Does anybody think that
the government, as it is constituted today,
does not want to fight black money ? It
has got to fight black money if it wants to
exist, if it wants to implement its policy.
It is a question of “To be or not to be*’.
Certainly, the government which is in
charge of the administration of the
country today, is much more anxious,
much more earnest, much more subje-
ctively interested in fighting black
money, because if it fails to fight black
money then it will not be able to achieve
the economic reconstruction of the country.
So, let no one come forward as the cham-
pion of the fight against black money. If
that demand is pressed too much, there
will be a microscopic enquiry which will
reveal things which will not be palatable
even to those persons who make that
demand. Therefore, let us forget all that.

Now this provision has been brought
forth. I must compliment the government
'for giving concrete statutory shape to the
Remise which was spelt out in the first
Speech made on the floor of the House.

Defects, detciencies and shortcomings have
»' got to be detected by experience. It has got
to be done step by step; a forward move
4as got to be made. But when we make the
move, we also have got to be carefbl that

the move is not scuttled by judicial scrutiny.
Secondly, in our enthusiasm we should not
forget the necessity of giving a sense of
security to people who are purchasing pro-
perty because it may result in deliberate
abandonment of purchase of property if
insecurity conditions prevail. Although
there i9 quite a lot of sense in what Shri
Baladhandayutham said, we have to appro-
ach ihe proposition from these two angles
and these two points of view have to be
given their own weight and they have got to
be suppoited. With these observations, I
support tiie Bill whole-heartedly.

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CONTENTS

• No, li— Friday, August 18, 1$72 /Srevana 27, 1894 (Saka)

Columns

Oral Answers to Questions —

•Starred Questions Nos. 261 to 264 ... . . 1-26

Written Answers to Questions —

Starred Questions Nos. 265 to 280 . . 26-37

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2580 to 2609, 2612 to 2621,

2623 to 2634, 2636 to 2656, 2658, 2659, 2661 to 2666,

2668 to 2686, 2688, 2689, 2691 to 2708, 2710 to 2722,

2724 to 2731, 2733 to 2765, 2767 and 2769 to 2779. 37-164

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance-

Reported Crisis in Powerloom industry in Maharashtra . 165-79

Papers Laid on the Table 179-82

Business Advisory Committee —

Fifteenth Report 182

Business of the House 182-85

Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill —

Motion to consider 185-92

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan 185-88

Clauses 2 to 25 and 1 189

Motion to pass, as reported by the Select Committee • . 192

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan ...... 192

Punjab New Capital (Periphery) Control (Chandigarh Amend-

ment) Bill —

Motion to consider 192-213

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya . , 192-93

Shri Amamath Vidyalankar . . 193-97

Shri B. S. Bhaura 197-200

Shri Darbara Singh . 200-3

Shri Mukhtiar Singh Malik 203-7

Shri Sat Pal Kapur 207-10

Clauses 2 to 5 and 1 213

Motion to pass 213

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya 210-12

•The sign + marked above the name of a Member nd<ca(«s (bat the question was
actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

. 1—10 LSS/72

Columns

Dentists (Amendment) Bill —

Motion to consider, a6 passed by Rajya Sabha > . 213-16

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya 213-14

Dr. Saradisb Roy 214-16

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ...... 214

Constitution (Amendment) Bill —

( Insertion of new articles 23 A, 23 B and 23 C) by Prof.

Afadhu Dandavate

Motion to consider ........ 216-48

Dr. G. S. Melkote 216-21

Shri Balgovind Verma 221-27

Shri K. Narayana Rao 227-30

Shri A. M. Chellachami 230-32

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ...... 232-35

Shri B. V. Naik 235-37

Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra 237-39

Shri Nitiraj Singh Chaudhary 239-44

Prof. Madhu Dandavate ...... 244—48

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Payment of Bonus (Amendment) Bill —

{Amendment of Sections 2, 10 etc.) by Prof. Madhu
Dandavate

Motion to consider 248-68

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 248-57

Shri S. M. Banerjee 257-60

Shri C. M. Stephen 260-65

Shri Somnath Chatterjee ...... 265-68

Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy 268

Half-an-hour Discussion —

Control being exercised by I.O.C. over the functioning of

Indo-Burma Petroleum 269-90

Shri Jyotirmoy Bo6u 269-72

Shri H. R. Gokhale 277-459

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Friday, August 18, 1972 ISravana 27,
1894 (Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the

Clock

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair]
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Arrears of Direct Taxes

*261. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP-
PAN :

SHRI 1SHWAR CHAU-
DHRY :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) what is the total amount of
direct taxes arrears as on 30th June,
1972;

(b) what steps have been taken by
Government to speed up the collection
of arrears ;

(c) whether as a result of these steps,
there has been any improvement in the
realisation of arrears in the last two
years ; and if so, to what extent ; and

(d) what further steps Government
propose to take to improve the collection
of tax arrears?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) Informa-
tion regarding the total amount of
arears of direct taxes as on 30th June,
1972 is not readily available. The latest
information available is in respect of the
direct taxes outstanding as on 31st
March, 1972, which is given below : —

(In crores of rupees)

Income-tax

438.60

(Net arears).

Wealth-tax

16.01

Gift-tax

2.59 ^

Estate Duty

13-75

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on
the Table of the House.

(d) •Wanchoo Committee have made
certain recommendations in regard to
reduction and collection of tax arrears.
These are under consideration.

STATEMENT

1. Introduction of the scheme of
functional distribution of work under
which one or more I.T.Os in every fun-
ctional range attend only to the work of
collection.

2. Taking over of the recovery work
from the State Government and entrus-
ting it to Tax Recovery Officers of the
Income-tax Department working under
Tax Recovery Commissioners and for
that purpose, increase in the strength
of Tax Recovrey Staff (Officers, Addi-
tional Commissioners and Commissio-
ners).

3. Vigorous enforcement policy invol-
ving attachement of debts and bank
balances and attachment and sale of
moveables and immoveables.

4. Expediting of disposal of appeals
involving substantial amounts in dispute
so that collection of ultimate taxes,
determined on appeal, could be
enforced.

5. Observance of arrear clearance
fortnights in order to concentrate all
attention and energy on giving effect to
appellate and rectification orders and
collection of ultimate tax dues,

6. Facilitating payment of taxes by

assessees with the acceptance of crossed

cheques at special receipt counters in

the Income-tax Offices.

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7. Posting of senior officers, such as
Additional Commissioners and Tax
Recovery Commissioners for supervision
and control over recovery of taxes and
tax arrears.

8 . Supervision of cases with tax
arrears over Rs. 1 lakh by Com-
missioners, over R 9 . 5 lakhs by Director
(Research, Statistics & Publications)
and by the Central Board of Direct
Taxes for arrears over Rs. 25 lakhs.

Oral Answers

AUGUST 18, 1972

Oral Answers

Reductions in gross arrears (by way
of adjustment, appeal effects and cash
collections) in respect of the various
Direct Taxes are as under : —

(In crares of rupees)

Financial Income- Weal- Gift- Estate
Year , tax th-tax tax Duty

1970- 71 . 328*45 3*37 0-53 1-48

1971- 72 . 303*64 3*33 0-65 2*15

SHRI C. K. CHANRAPPAN : With
the available information the Minister
has agreed that there are huge arrears
of tax to be collected. I would like to
know from the Minister what is the
share of default from the corporate
sector and which are the industrial
houses which are involved in keeping
big arrears and whether Government
have taken any deterrent action against
any of those industrial houses which
are continuously defaulting in paying
taxes. I would also like to know the
names of these industrial houses.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : In reply to
the first question of the hon. Member I
may say that we have, from time to
time, replied that these arrears of taxes
are a continuing process. Certain
demands are raised and certain collec-
tions are made in the current year ;
certain arrears remain from the previous
years. But we have also stated that
there has been a progressive reduction
in the arrears, and this year alone we
have collected about Rs. 61 crores.

In reply to his second question, I do
not have at present the figure of the
corporate sector out of these arrears that
are there. But we have, I think, sup-
plied to the House very lengthy state-
ments about arrears of Rs. 5 lakhs,
arrears of Rs. 10 lakhs and so on. If
the hon. Member wants tq know of any
specific industrial house, he may put
a separate question and I will be able
to give the answer.

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
What about taking deterrent action ?

SHRI K, R. GANESH : Deterrent
action will be taken, whether it is indus-
trial house or anybody.

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : to
the last part of the statement attached
to the ahswer. certain reductions by w^y
of adjustment, appeal effects and cash
collections during the last two financial
years are given. While answering the
supplementary }ult now,' the Minister
stated that the. cash collection was
Rs. 61 crores this year. The figure
given of reduction in 1971-72 in the
statement is Rs. 303.64 in respect of
income-tax. I would like to know what
was the amount 'written off during this
year and during the last two years from
the tax arrears.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : As far as the
amounts written of is concerned I will
have to collect the figures. But, for the
benefit of the hon. Members, I wish to
say that for writing off an amount, a
very elaborate process is there and the
demands which become irrecoverable
are under the following heads s

(1) Asscssees have died leaving
behind no assets.

( 2 ) Assessee companies have gone
into liquidation.

( 3 ) Assessees have become insolvent.

(4) Assessees are not traceable.

(5) Assessees have left no tangible
assets.

(6) Amount is written off as a result
of settlement with the assessees.

(7) Demands not found due on ac-
count of subsequent information,
such as duplicate demands, etc.

It is only on the basis of script
scrutiny where no other method is
possible, only then demands are raised.
There is a high-power committee and it
is done by the high-power committee
and over a ceiling it comes to the
Finance Minister himself.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA*
CHARYYA : The Minister has very
cleverly avoided the specific question
asked by Mr. Chandrappan regarding
arrears of taxes as to what was the
amount due from the corporate sector
and which are the big industrial houses
that are still in arrears.

MR. SPEAKER : He has replied to
the latter part of the question.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : But he has not specifically
mentioned the names of the big business
houses.

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SRAVANA 27, 1394 >(SAKA)

Oral Answers 6

MR; SPEAKER : H* says tbat he has
already replied to the same question.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : He might have replied
some time back, but, to-day in relation
to the question specifically asked ....

MR. SPEAKER : Will you please
listen tx> me ? The same question was
asked and he has replied and that reply,
whatever it is, is there. If you raise
the same question, he will give the
same reply again.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : In how many cases are
the big business houses in arrears and in
how many cases was action taken
against the big business houses?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I have
already said that if you ask, these are
Rs. 436 crores arrears and these
Rs. 436 crores arrears would mean a
couple of thousands of assessees.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : Of the 75 big business
houses, how many are in arrears ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Probably,
the hon. Member does not, with his poli-
tical knowledge, realise that it is very
difficult to get big monopoly houses.
Not that we do not have any infor-
mation.. ..(Interruptions) I have already
indicated that we have given figures in
this House running into 500-600
assessees names — people who are in
arrears of Rs. 5 lakhs, assessees with
arrears ot Rs. 10 lakhs and assessees
with arrears of Rs. 1 lakh.

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : What
about assessees having arrears of Rs. 1
crore and more?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : If you ask
a specific question about the 75 big
business houses, 1 will have no hesita-
tion in giving that answer also.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The hon.
Minister has stated that the outstanding
arrears of income tax are about Rs. 500
crores. Although we have been impos-
ing more and more taxes, we are
leaving these arrears of Rs. 500 crores
income tax uncollected. There are
certain people who are in the upper
brackets of income who know the ways
to* evade taxes and as a consequence of

that, the income, tax arrears have been
mounting up. All these people know
the technique of playing fraud against
the Government. Even sometimes, they
seek protection from the courts. . . .

SHRI PILOO MODY : Sir, he ha s
forgotten that he is now in the Congress.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : He said that
certain people have been declared in-
solvent, certain people have died and
certain people have gone away, etc.
There are certain people who do these
transactions in the names of their wives,
some in the names of their relatives ;
such hinami transactions of the
properties take place and the ITO does
not touch those culprits. They are
cheating the Government in this manner.
I would like to know how long it will
take to accept the Wanchoo Committee’s
recommendations. How far has Gov-
ernment taken steps to catch such
fraudsters an thus end this fraud and
cheating of the big business houses
forthwith ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The
Wanchoo Committee was set up for
this purpose and for finding out as to
how to bring about legislative and
administrative measures so that such
things could be eliminated. The recom-
mendations of the Wanchoo Committee
are under serious consideration and we
are trying to expedite these matters.

MR. SPEAKER : If the question is
long, the answer need not necessarily be
very long.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : We know,
there are people who use certain techni-
cal means to evade taxes. The Finance
Minister made a statement in Rajya
Sabha. He said that a special cell is
being appointed to go into the depth of
this matter and take action in respect
of these big houses. Between 1946-47
to 1971-72, Rs, 9694 crores -have been
collected, constituting 86 per cent of the
demands raised. While it is a serious
problem, it is not of such magnitude
that the Government of India cannot
tackle it.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want
to put a specific question.

MR. SPEAKER : I see a big man
opposite to me ... .

Oral Answers

AUGUST 18, 1972

Oral Answers

SHRI PILOO MODY: The reasons
due to which taxes are not collected
are two. The assessments that art
made are made in such a fashion that
they are pitched so high that you have
to go into long-drawn out arguments
and representations with the Government
delaying the collection of taxes thereby
and the other reason is that these people
are taking money from these business-
men and therefore giving them all man-
ner of facilities for not paying taxes...

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Even
Swatantra party is enabled to evade
taxes . . .

SHRI PILOO MODY : I will add that
also if it pleases my hon. friend. Now,
first of all, I would like to know whether
the Government itself has instituted any
procedure whereby assessments can
reasonably be made and disposed of
quickly so that they could collect crores
and crores of rupees worth of taxes.
Secondly, I would like to know whether
they have plans to stop squeezing money
out of these parties, so that they do not
have to let off the tax evaders,

AN HON. MEMBER : There are
allegations made.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I can only
give a political answer but that will
involve him ; it is not certainly connect-
ed with this particular question.

SHRI PILOO MODY : He is em-
barrassed and therefore he cannot
answer. The first question is purely
technical, and he may give the answer
as a technician. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU rose—

MR. SPEAKER : This question has
already taken a long time ; I find I can-
not proceed with the list. Shri Hukam
Chand Kachwai.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Since
the big man had got up, you had asked
me to sit down. Now, the small man
is getting up and kindly give him a
chance.

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SHRI K. R. GANESH : The first is
a very valuable suggestion. The Wanchoo
Committee has also gone into it, and the
hon. Member’s useful suggestion will
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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the
hon. Minister kindly tell us the arrears
ot taxes outstanding against Shri Biju
Pafnaik before the merger of Utkal
Congress with the Congress ? What is
the position today ? I am asking for
information on one specific case.
Secondly, what is the amount of tax
arrears outstanding against Shri R. P.
Goenka and his group.

MR. SPEAKER : That is a separate
question. The main question is a gene-
ral question.

SHRI PILOO MODY And some of

their colleagues.

MR. SPEAKER : If the hon. Minister
has got the information and he is
prepared to give it, I have no objection.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I shall have
to collect the information. I cannot give
the specific information asked for at
this moment.

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SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Oho,
oo !

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not please
do like that.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I cannot
give specific information at the moment
as far as $hri Biju Patnaik and Shri
R. P. Goenka are concerned. But I
can assure the hon. Member that all
efforts are being made. We are handi-
capped by various means. As far as
Shri Biju Patnaik is concerned, he has
got 75 writs in the Calcutta High Court.
I have already said, and if you would
permit me, I would repeat that
certain judicial processjes have
also to undergo certain change,
and that is also the recommen-
dation of the Law Commission, which
is under the consideration of Govern-
ment.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What
about Shri R. P. Goenka ? The hon.
Minister said something about Shri
Biju Patnaik, their guarantor for pos-
ters.

MR. SPEAKER : It is too general a
question to fit into the main question.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I seek
your permission to point out that when
Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya wanted to
know the arrears of 75 large houses his
question was described as a very gene-
ral question. But I have given two
specific instances. If the ruling from
the Chair is that this cannot also fit in-
to the main question, I do not know
what wc can do. . . .

MR. SPEAKER : Since the hon.
Minister does not have the information
offhand, he will supply it to the hon.
Member later.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Stay-
ing at home lsi a very nice thing and
we can enjoy it also, but we have a
duty to perform, and you are our pat-
ron-saint sitting in the Chair, and you
have to permit us to perform that duty.
The hon. Minister may reply to the
question in regard to the arrears out
standing against Shri R. P. Goenka. If
he does not, then we shall say that there
are huge amounts outstanding against
him and the hon. Minister is just shiel-
ding him.

SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA :
There are many big houses which evade
taxea worth lakhs of rupees by entering

into negotiations or by having compro-
mises with the income-tax authorities
and the parties which are in a position
to pay do not pay. Then, there is ne-
gotiation and compromise is started
and they evade the taxes.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The Board
of Direct Taxes is definitely against
compounding of cases. But where
there are judicial processes, naturally
those judicial processes have to be gone
through ; then, there are judicial peti-
tions and petitions to the board and
they have also to be gone through.
But I can assure the hon. Member that
it is the policy of the Finance Ministry
not to compound cases as far as practi-
cable and to see that all those who
could be penalised and prosecuted are
prosecuted.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In reply
to a supplementary regarding the
amounts written off, the the hon. Minis-
ter read out certain conditions under
which they are written off after being
investigated by a high-power com-
mittee. One of the conditions was that
the person concerned had died or his
concern had been liquidated. Is he
aware of a case which has been reopened
in regard to one gentleman by name,
Shri Ram Rattan Gupta, and in whose
case Rs. 21 lakhs have been written off
in Kanpur ? He is neither dead nor
has his concern undergone liquidation.
I want to know what has happened to
that.

Mr. SPEAKER: Tt is an individual
case.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He wanted
individual cases.

MR. SPEAKER : How can it be
asked at this time?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I want to
know whether it has been reopened.

MR. SPEAKER : He has given a
clue to him. That is enough.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Firstly, it is
not very safe to go into Kanpur. I am
not giving any assurance, but as far as
my present memory goes, this amount
of Rs. 25 lakhs concerning Shri Ram
Rattan Gupta has not been written off.
If I am wrong, I will correct it.

MR. SPEAKER : I said it is a sped*
fic case. But if in this case his memory

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AUGUST 18, im

Ora! 4n**w 12

served him right, why not in the other
oases asked by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu?
Why does he put me in a difficult
position ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : With your
permission, may I give an explanation ?

MR. SPEAKER : If his memory has
worked in one case, it should work in
the other case also.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The case of
Shri Ram Rattan Gupta referred to
writing off.

MR. SPEAKER : My only question
is, if in this case his memory has
worked, why should it not work in the
cases referred to by Shri Jyotirmoy
Bosu?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : My answer
is that the case of Shri Ram Rattan
Gupta referred to writing off. It is not
a question of arrears ; it is not a ques-
tion of what is due. That was why I
replied. . . .

MR. SPEAKER : He did not follow
what I said. In regard to a previous
question, we have been taking the stand
that the main question is too general a
question and under it individual or
specific questions cannot be asked. You
wanted notice in regard to such cases.
I held your objection in order and told
him that these were two individual
cases which cannot be adjusted into this
question. Now you have adjusted the
case mentioned by Shri Banerjee. So
my ruling is absolutely nullified.

SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD :
Because he remembers that case ; the
others he does not remember.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We are
very grateful to you. Sir.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I shall try
to explain. I thought there was a
distinction between this particular refe-
rence concerning write-off of Rs. 25
lakhs with reference to Shri Ram Rat-
tan Gupta and the other cases
referred to by Shri Jyotir-

moy Bosu. I have this specific
information that we are taking all legal
steps to collect all the arrears.

In the other question, I was asked
what were the arrears to which I have
already given a general reply in regard

to arrears *due from industrial houses
of Rs. 5 lakhs, Rs. 10 lakhs and so on.
If he wanted more specific particulars
about those persons, I would have
given them. That was why I took the
liberty of answering this particular
question,

MR. SPEAKER : He asked about
Shri Biju Patnaik and Shri R. P.
Goenka.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : About Shri
Goenka, I have replied. If he gives me
a specific question, I will answer.

SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : He has already put a
specific question, namely, what is the
amount remaining as arrears in respect
of R. P. Goenka.

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. He
will give it to you later on. ( Interrup-
tion ) Every day, you almost take so
much of time on one question. For
example, this question has taken 25
minutes. What is the use of other ques*
tions then ? The Members, at the end,
always approach me and say that
their turn does not come at all. There
can be one, two or three supplement
taries but the whole time should not be
monopolised by one question. Next
question.

Seizure of smuggled Goods

*262. SHRI RANABAHADUR
SINGH : Will the Minister of
FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) the places from where contra*
band goods have been seized in the
country during the last six months ;

(b) the action taken by Government
in this regard ; and

(c) the total amount collected by the
Customs and Excise Department
through sales and disposal of such con*
traband goods during the last two
years ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI
K. R. GANESH) : (a) In view of the
large number of seizures of contraband
goods that have been made at different
places during the last six months, the
information would be very detailed and
its collection would take considerable
time. However, the bulk of the
seizures of contraband goods were

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madci gt various places and ports along
the west Coast of India. Some seizures
were alsp made in other big towns in
the country. The more important
places from where contraband goods
were seized are ;

Bombay (City and Port), Madras
(City and Port), Calcutta (City and
Port), Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bulsar,
Rajkot, Surat, Daman, Bangalore and
Mysore.

(b) in all such cases, departmental
adjudication proceedings are started
under the Customs Act for confiscation
of the smuggled goods and imposition
of penalties on persons concerned. In
addition, prosecutions in courts of law
are launched in suitable cases.

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH:
May I ask the Minister, through you,
whether any seizures have also been
made at Varanasi ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I will get
this information and supply it.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Sir, it is
very unfortunate and rather disgraceful
on the part of the Government for its
inability to check this smuggling busi-
ness. Crores of rupees are involved in
this ; gold is coming ; nylon is coming ;
biscuits and powder are coming ; laven-
der is coming. The foot-paths of all
the big cities are full of such smuggled
goods. I was told that a scheme has
been contemplated to check this by
watching over the seas from a ship or
helicopter and other apparatus. May
I know what sort of action the Govern-
ment is going to take in order io
prevent all sorts of smuggling goods,
wherein crores of rupees are involved?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I agree with
the hon. Member that smuggling is a
serious problem, and very scarce
resources of the country are deflected
as a result of smuggling. ( Interruption )
I was trying to mention that as far as
smuggling is concerned, it has now
become an international phenomenon,
and very sophisticated means of smug-

» are being used. The Government
set up a committee, and fast-going
crafts are being ordered so that we may

be able to catch those things. Admini-
strative and legislative measures are
also being taken to see that smuggling is
eliminated to the extent possible.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : This com-
mittee will not do. This is escapism.
Appointing a committee means what ? I
wanted to know specifically what appa-
ratus has been introduced to check
smuggling because, long ago, a scheme
has been contemplated for having ships
and helicopters. Dubai and Singapore
are the two places which are very near.
Goods are coming from Duboi and
from Singapore. . . . ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : That is good infor-
mation for him.

DR. SARADISH ROY : How many
persons have been arrested and how
many persons were convicted during
the last two years ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : During 1970,
2107 persons were arrested; 264 prose-
cutions had to be dropped, 265 persons
were convicted and 203 persons had
been acquitted. In 1971, 2399 persons
had been arrested ; 124 cases had to be
dropped ; 350 have been convicted and
125 had been acquitted.

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SHRIMATI MUKUL BANERJI :
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speedy launches to our customs officers
in Vizag and Madras, because it seems
that the smugglers have got speedier
launches than our customs officers?
If we could provide customs officers

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AUGUST 18, 1972

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with launches speedier than those used
by smugglers, by spending a few lakhs
we shall he able to collect a few crores.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I agree with
the hon. Member. The question of
giving orders for building such boats is
in the final stages.

MR. SPEAKER : You have agreed
with everybody today.

When two or three supplementaries
have been asked, I request the hon.
Members not to get up. I found hon.
Members getting up to ask supplemen-
taries, even though more than half the
time is over.

Number of Indian Tourist Centres opera-
ting in United States, Central America
and South America

*263. SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

SHRI VEKARIA :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Indian Tourist
Centres operating in United States, Cen-
tral America and South America ;

(b) the number of employees work-
ing in those centres ; and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH) : (a) 4 (3 in the
United States and 1 in Mexico).

(b) 28.

Year From From

US. A. Central

& South
America

1969 . . . 52,836 3,989

1970 . . . 58,793 5,099

1971 . 54,982 3,441

(Separate figures for Central America
and South America are not available.)

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Considering
the small number of tourists from South
American countries to India and also*
the increase in the round-the-world trips
being performed by South American
tourists, may I know what special
measures are being considered by the
Government to attract South American
tourists ?

DR. KARAN SINGH : As my state-
ment will make it clear, the number of
tourists from South America has in fact
declined over the last year or so. We
have an office in Mexico. I must admit
that South America has not yet deve-
loped into a very lucrative market for
tourists ; it has a very long way to go 1
yet. Our Mexico office at present is
dealing with promotional work in South
America. We are producing some
literature in Spanish so that it might be
sent to South America. But I must
say that South America does not seem,
even in the near future, to be a very
lucrative source of foreign tourists.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I specially
mentioned round-the-world trip tourists
because there is no direct airline between
South American countries and Asia.
They have always to go via Europe.
Would the minister consider asking Air
India to operate from India to South
America through Africa ?

DR. KARAN SINGH : It would not
be economically feasible, because the
competition in South American routes
is very strong. There is very little
ethnic traffic. We have from time to
time considered the possibility but it is
not in the near future likely to be a
feasible proposition.

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The South-
East Asian countries being very close to
India historically, culturally and socially,
what steps have been taken by Govern-
ment to open tourist centres there and
encourage tourists from those countries
to come to India?

DR. KARAN SINGH : We have
Government of India tourist offices in
Tokyo and Singapore and Sydney also.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : What about
Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and so
many countries are there ; what about
those countries?

DR. KARAN SINGH : The Tokyo
and Singapore offices cover the whole
region and promotional work is done.
But we must remember that opening a
tourist office abroad involves a good
deal of expenditure. But if it is neces-
sary, we will certainly open more offices.

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Rao Birender

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Question No. 264.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There
are two groups of Goenkas. Which
group is he referring to ?

MR.. SPEAKER : Please do not
interrupt like this. Let him read the
reply.

Malpractices committed by Goenke
Group of companies

*264. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH
RAO : Will the Minister of COMPANY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal
under the consideration of Government
to appoint a Commission of Inquiry to
go into the various malpractices com-
mitted by the Goenka Group of Com-
panies during the last three years ;

(b) if so, the proposed constitution
of the Commission and its terms of
reference ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA
REDDY) : (a) Presumably the Hon’ble
Member has in view the group of com-
panies associated with Shri Ramn&th.
Goenka. Twelve companies of this,
group have been inspected. With
regard to National Co. Ltd., Calcutta
and Andhra Prabha Private Ltd.,
Madras, F.I.Rs were filed with the
C.B.I. The C.B.I. registered the F.IRs
and commenced investigation. With
regard to investigation of F.I.R. concer-
ning National Co., Ltd. the
matter had been taken to the
High Court of Calcutta by the
National Qo. Ltd. under Article
226 of the Constitution. Single Judge
dismissed the petition and a Division
Bench of the High Court heard the
appeal. It is understood that the judg-
ment is pending. As regards the F.I.R.
filed against Andhra Prabha Private
Ltd., writ petitions were filed before
the High Court of Madras. The writ
petitions were dismissed by a Single
Judge. The appeal filed against the
judgment of the Single Judge is pending.

The Inspection Reports of the com-
panies inspected are under examination-

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AUGUST 18* 1973

Ora/ Answers

Hie question of appointing a Commis-
sion of Inquiry will be considered on
merits.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO :
This is a specific question about the
Goenka group of concerns. Now, will
the hon. Minister come out with the
information under his sleeves ? I would
like to know (1) the names of com-
panies under these two groups of
Goenkas and whether one of those com-
panies was responsible for the printing
of posters for the Congress compaign. .
(interruptions) Let the Minister reply
to it. . . (interruptions ) .

MR. SPEAKER : Let the Member
usk his question.

SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO :
Was the company which printed the
posters one of this group ? Secondly,
wbat were the types of malpractices
•committed by these companies ? Was
non-payment of income-tax or conceal-
ment of income one ol the malprac-
tices ? If so, what is the amount of
arrears outstanding against this group of
companies ?

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY :
When this question was transferred to
us yesterday evening, I understood this
•question to mean that it referred to Shri
Ramnath Goenka. There is no specific
indication mentioned in the question
which relates to one particular group
and I do not think the Ramnath Goenka
.group is less guilty thap the group . . .

( interruptions ) Now, on the question of
information.... ( interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : If he is interrupted
like that, how can the Minister reply
to the question ?

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
The first information filed by the
Department of Company Affairs with
the CBI with respect to Andhra Prabha
Private Limited is for offences disclosed
under sections 120B, 420, 477 A. . .

SHRI PILOO MODY : Sir, the
answer has no relevance to the question
at all. One is talking about chalk and
the other is talking about cheese.

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precisely because of this that I wanted
it to be spelt out as to which Goenka
this refers to ? But, Sir, you made me
sit down ( interruptions )

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SHRI PILOO MODY : I have a
further complaint. The matter has been
clarified quite explicitly that the ques-
tion has to do with the poster-wala
Goenka and not the other one. Still,
he persists in replying to the supplemen-
tary about the other Goenka. He is
only reading from his file. . . (Interrup-
tions)

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Mr.
Piloo Mody, please don’t get excited.
(Interruptions)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
you kindly protect us so that we get a
proper reply, not a cock-and-bull
story ?

MR. SPEAKER : Your reply, what-
ever it might be, should be to the ques-
tion put by Mr. Rao. Whatever you
want to say should be in reply to the
supplementary put by the Member.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY :
With respect to the question put by
Shri Rao in respect of Goenka group
of companies, 1 will give whatever in-
formation I have got with me. If the
hon. Member wants any further in-
formation, he may be kind enough to
put a separate question. It was not
known to which Goenka group of com-
panies he referred to.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
This is about appointing a Commission
of inquiry to go into the various mal-
practices committed by the Goenka
Group of Companies. There may be
two or three groups. I am not bothered
about that. If he does not know the

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SRAVANA. 27,' 1894 tfAKA) Oral Answers tt

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Group, how can he say about 11181
practices committed by , them 7

MR. ^SPEAKER : If there was any
doubt about which Goenka group he
referred to, you should have referred
tack the Question to our Secretariat
and we could have got more clarification
from the Member sending the Question.
Now, you have accepted this Question.
That is the difficulty. At this stage,
you are telling me, you do not know
which Goenka group he referred to.
You could have referred it back to us
if it was not very clear.

SHR1 RAGHUNATHA REDDY :
The Question was transferred to us
yesterday late in the evening. With
great respect to the House and to you,
Sir, I thought I should answer the
Question to the extent possible.

MR. SPEAKER : I postpone it the
question, as I understand, will be about
Goenka group to which Mr. Rao
referred.

SHRI BlRENDER SIRGH RAO :
All the Goenka group of companies.

MR. SPEAKER : In that case, I can-
not postpone it.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :

I would like to know whether there it
any connection between the two . . .

(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : You have changed
your position. I do not think I should
postpone it now. 1 am not postponing
it now. If it was about all the Goenka
group of companies, then the Minister
was very correct. . . . (Interruptions) I
am not postponing it

MR. SPEAKER : If you like, I can
postpone it.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY :
I will give the information that is
available with me. . .

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
I would like to know, first of all, the
names of all the companies belonging
to the Goenka group. I have not said
one Goenka group ; 1 want about all
Goenka groups.

MR. SPEAKER : If you want more
time, that can be given.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY :
II you direct me Sir, to give some more
information which is not available with
me, I will be willing to do so. I will
give whatever information I have. But
1 do not have the entire information.
The time was not enough. I thought
it referred to Ramnath Goenka group.
The question of appointing a Com-
mission of inquiry with respect to com-
panies of Ramnath Goenka was speci-
fically raised in the Rajya Sabha some
time back. I thought, the Member
might be having the same thing in his
mind.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
As you have been pleased to say,
it would probably, be much better to
take up the Question later because the
hon. Minister, in his reply to the main
Question, said that be thought it related
to Ramnath Goenka group of com-
panies which was not meant. Now the
Goenka group of companies, according
to the Monopolies Commission, is of
Mr. R. P. Goneka, not of Mr. Ramnath
Goenka. So, we will not be doing
justice to the Question unless it is taken
up afresh later.

MR., SPEAKER : Please sit down.
Your question is about malpractices
committed by Goenka Group of
Companies.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
There can be a connection between the
two Goenka groups ( Interruption ) How
can it be independent ?

MR. SPEAKER : If it relates to all
Goenkas, the question will not be post*
poned; the Minister may reply.

( Interruptions )

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
He has not understood my question.

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down.
Let the Minister reply.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
Ram Nath Goenka is different from
K. P. Goenka, as far as I can under-
stand.*.. ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : Personally, for me,
it is very difficult to function because aO
the time the members here are talking.
Can you please help in functioning ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I wan)
to assist you, Sir.

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AUGUST 18, 1972

Oral Answ$n

MR. SPEAKER : I do not need your

assistance.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
With respect to K. P. Goenka group of
companies . . . {Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : If you do not want
to hear the reply, I can pass on to the
next question.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
With respect to K. P. Goenka group of
companies, I would like to make one
suggestion for your consideration. I
wm give the House whatever informa-
tion I have got. If they want any more
information, they will have kindly to
put a separate question specifically.
Immediately I do not have all the infor-
mation with me.

According to the information availa-
ble with the Department of Company
Affairs, the CBI have registered cases
against the following five companies in
the K. P. Goenka Group for infringe-
ment of provisions of Import and
Export (Control) . Act, 1947 :

(1) Birapara Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri ;

(2) Carron Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri;

(3) Killkot Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri;

(4) Phaskowa Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri ;
and (5) Duncan Brothers Ltd., Cal-
cutta. Apart from the companies men-
tioned above, the CBI have registered
com plain ts against several cable
manufacturing companies including
Asian .Cable Corporation Ltd.,
Bombay, with which Shri K. P. Goenka
is associated. The complaints against
the aforesaid companies have been
lodged by the Ministry of Foreign
Trade and Ministry of Industrial
Development.

The CBI have completed investigation
into the affairs of M/s Asian Cable
Corporation and submitted the report
to the concerned Ministry. An inspec-
tion under Section 209(4) was conduc-
ted in respect of the books and accounts
of this company but it had to be con-
fined to the books of 1970-71 as the
earlier books had been seized by the
CBI in connection with a complaint
that was under investigation. The
CBI has completed the investigation
and has sent their report to the con-
cerned Ministry for action.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : So, he
bad the information.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
I would like to know whether the com-
pany which was responsible for printing
certain posters during the elections and
which matter also was discussed in the
House . . . C Interruptions )

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
This is a proper question to ask. There
is no protection for him . . . (Interrup-
tions)

SHRI K. MANOHARAN: There
may be so many Goenkas . . . ( Inter-
ruptions) He wants to know specifically
whether this Goenka is the man who
printed the wall posters . . . (Interrup-
tions)

MR. SPEAKER : I may tell you that
by making noise, you cannot shut the
relevancy of the question . . . (Inter*
ruptions) I know what type of thumping
it is. I do not want it. What is your
reply to his question?

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
Let him put the question.

MR. SPEAKER : Instead of men-
tioning the poster, why don’t you men-
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SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO :
R. P. Goenka.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : On a point
of order.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
On the floor of the House it had been
amply and forcibly denied that the
AICC has anything to do with R. P.
Goenka or K. P. Goenka. . . (Inter-
ruptions) with respect to the posters
printed by AICC.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Only one
minute.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY:
No, Please. I am not yielding. . .

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Why
do they want to hide the facts ?. . .
(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Parliament is meant
for calm, calculated and cool discussion
and not for shouting against each
other. If you think that matters can
be all finished and dealt with by
shouting and counter-shouting, you are
very wrong.

Oral Answers

SRAVANA 27, 1894 {SAKA)

Wrltte m Answer* 26

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : We wanted
to know which is the Ooenka who has
not paid the money.

SHRI PILOO MODY : The Minister
has stated that the AICC had nothing
to do with the posters.

MR. SPEAKER : He has said it. He
has already mentioned it.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Sir,
please hear me. The hon. Member,
Shri Unnikrishnan said something.
(Interruption) I would request my
hon. friend Mr. Unnikrishnan to hear
what I am saying, because this concerns
him. I am talking about him. This
was discussed on the floor of the House.
This was accepted. He did accept
that R. P. Goenka was a guarantor of
the wall-poster. Now he is denying it.
The same hon. Member accepted it
then.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : He never
said it.

SHRI PILOO MODY ; He should
be named.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Don’t
shield corrupt fellows.

MR. SPEAKER : I am really very
sorry ; I cannot go beyond that.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO:

I have one more question. ..

MR. SPEAKER : No, I am sorry.
The Question Hour is over. We are
not able to go beyond four questions.
If you go on like this, we won’t be
able to finish beyond four questions.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO:
You should come to the rescue of the
minority if the majority obstructs the
question which is unpalatable to them.

MR. SPEAKER : It is no use bring-
ing in the name of majority or minority.
Both are bound to behave responsibly.

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : You are
expected to protect our interests.

MR. SPEAKER : So long as dis-
orderly behaviour goes on, either on
this side or that side, I cannot protect
anybody ; after all, you too have a
responsibility ; don’t take shelter under
the terminology of minority.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I rise on a
point of order.

MR. SPEAKER ; No point of order.
There is no subject under discussion.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : My point of
order is regarding this particular matter.
Only four questions nave been taken
up today. We would always like to
cooperate with them. We would always
like to cooperate with the Chair. But
we have also come to learn that the
only way open is to sliout; that is
what they want We are new Mem-
bers. We have learnt that we have to
shout too; otherwise there is no way
out.

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a respon-
sible way of doing things. We have to
run the House. Both sides should
cooperate with each other. I cannot
give shelter under any circumstances to
a gentleman who just obstructs.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO:
You have not allowed my question, Sir.
We should be protected. You have to
come to my rescue. I want to put one
question. . .

MR. SPEAKER : You have already
put more than tw 0 questions.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO:
I have to put one more.

MR. SPEAKER : No, Please. I am
sorry. The Question Hour is over. By
this way, it is your own business that
will suffer; it is your own Question
that is not reached. Kindly bear it in
mind. *#9^ 3TT°R 3TRT W*

WT $ I

WRITTEN ANSWER TO
QUESTIONS

Agricultural Finance Provided by
Nationalised Banks

*265. SHRI, B. V NAIK: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) the total amount of agricultural
finance provided by the nationalised
banks as on 31st July, 1972;

(b) the maximum loan limit upto
which an individual can borrow by way
of agricultural finance;

(d) if so, in how many cases; and

27 Written Answers

AUOU5T18, 1972

Written Answers it

(e) the amount of ipii biggest agri-
cultural loan advanced w far and to
whom?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI):
(a) The latest available figure of the
amount outstanding in respect of direct
agricultural advances provided by the
nationalised banks as at the end of
March, 1972 was Rs. 150.23 crores.

(b) No pre-determined limits have
been laid about the quantum of loan in
any particular case. The amount must
be justified by the purpose and require-
ment.

(e) No figures of the highest amount
sanctioned by any bank to a particular
party are available. However the State-
wise information about the number of
borrowers with outstandings of Rs.
50,000 and above for the period ending
December, 1970 is given in the enclosed
statement.

The information relating to the ac-
counts of individual constituents of a
bank, in accordance with the practices
and usages customary among bankers
and also in conformity with the provi-
sions of the State Bank of India Act,
1955, State Bank of India (Subsidiary
Banks) Act, 1950 and the Banking
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer
of Undertaking) Act, 1970, cannot be
divulged.

Statement

State/Union

Territory

Borrowers with
outstandings of
Rs. 50,000
and above

No. Amount
(Rs. in
lakhs)

Andhra Pradesh

261

150-86

Assam

3- 16

Bihar

1-78

Gujarat

176

95 80

Haryana .

11-51

Himachal Pradesh

1-00

Jammu & Kashmir

3-00

Kerala

257

193-96

Madhya Pradesh

22-01

Maharashtra

68-37

Mysore

27 63

Orissa . .

6-55

Punjab

26-29

Rajasthan ■

17-53

Tamil Nadu

70-68

Uttar Pradesh

71-00

West Bengal

11-07

All Union Territories .

20-40

Total

1051

802-60

Commissioning of various Down Stream
Units of Naphtha Cracker Project of
Koyali Petre-Chemical Complex

*266. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN:
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government have ap-
proved six technical collaboration pro-
posals to speed up the commissioning
of the various down stream units of the
naphtha cracker project of the Koyali
Petrochemical complex; and

(b) if so, the main features of the
proposals approved?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR
SINGH) : (a) These proposals are
under consideration of the Govern-
ment.

(b) These foreign collaboration pro-
posals are in respect of provision of
process know-how, basic engineering,
supervision of detailed engineering,
optional procurement services, supervi-
sion of construction and start-up.

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SRAVANA 27. 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 99

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Steps to Attract Foreign
Tourists to India

*268. SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI:
SHRI V. MAYA VAN:

Will the Minister of TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to
state:

(a) whether foreign tourist traffic to
India which suffered a set-back last
winter due to Bangladesh situation and
December War is staging recovery;

(b) if so, to what extent; and

2—10 LSS/72

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b).

Tourist arrivals have increased by
2,551 or 1.7% during January-June
1972 as compared to the corresponding
period of the preceding year.

Loss Suffered by* Sindri
Fertilizer Factory

*269. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH:

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH:

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM-
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Sindri Fertilizer Fac-
tory is incurring a loss of more than
Rs. one lakh per day;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) the steps* Government propose*
to take to make up the loss so far suf-
fered and to ensure that no loss is suf-
fered in future?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE) : (a) to (c). The Sindri
Unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of
India incurred a loss of Rk 347 lakhs
in 1971-72. The main reasons for this
loss are — rise in prices of raw mate-
rials, loss of production due to rapid;
deterioration of plant and machinery
and the poor condition of coke-oven
batteries natural for an aging plant;,
rise in freight rates; additional electric
city duty; increased maintenance cost,,
also due to the age of the plants; and
higher consitmptjion of raw materials
like gypsum and coal due to their poor
quality.

Whatever measures are possible. Whe-
ther in the long term or in the short*
term, are being taken to improve the
economics of working of this unit The
more important measures taken in
this connection are:

(1) renovation of certain sections
of plant and machinery, such as coke-
oven batteries; and

(2) scheme for the manufacture
of triple superphosphate which would
intcr-alia ensure regular supplies of

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AUGUST 18, 1972

Written Answers 32

by-product gypsum at practically no

cost for the existing ammonium sul-
phate plant.

This being an old and aging plant,
the above measures, which are in the
nature of palliatives, cannot be expect-
ed to improve the economics of work-
ing of the unit beyond a certain point.
Any permanent solution to the pro-
blems of Sindri would really lie in a
large-sale expansion and modernisa-
tion of the plant. For this purpose, a
modernisation scheme with heavy
petroleum fractions as the feedstock to
replace the present coke/ coke-oven gas,
the supplies and quality of which are
becoming increasingly uncertain, and
employing modern technologies is
under consideration of Government.

Agreement with Romanian Oil Organisa-
tion for Importing Axle and Lubricating
Oils

*270. SHRI HARI SINGH: Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state:

(a) whether an agreement between
the Government of India and Ruma-
nian Oil Organisation was signed in
Bombay on June 14, 1972 to import
axle and lubricating oil from Rumania;

(b) if so, by what time the oils will
reach India; and

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE) : (a) The Indian Oil Cor-
poration entered into a contract on 15 th
June, 1972 with M/s. Petrol-Export of
Rumania for the import of axle oil and
MVI naphthenic oil. This contract
was signed in accordance with the
Long-term Trade Agreement between
the Government of India and the Gov-
ernment of Rumania.

(b) The first shipment is expected to
arrive in India m the first week of
September, 1972. The imports are
scheduled to be completed by the end
of the current year.

Expenditure to be involved in Display of
Gnat etc. at AIR show in U. K.

•271. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Will
ihe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased

to refer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 7635 on 26th May, 1972
regarding the display of Gnat at Air
show in U. K- and state the expenditure
involved in arranging the display of
Gnat etc. at Air show in United King-
dom?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE-
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : The
expenditure on participation of
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in ihe
Flying Display and Exhibition at Fam-
borough is estimated at Rs. 12 lakhs
including a foreign exchange com-
ponent of Rs. 4.71 lakhs.

Withdrawal of Excise Duty on
Newspapers

*272. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA:
Will the Minister of FINANCE bo
pleased to state:

(a) whether President of Indian and
Eastern Newspaper Society has stated
that the excise duty on newspaper had
outlived its usefulness with the return
of the Bangla Desh refugees to their
homeland; and

(b) if so. Government’s reaction
thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The reaction of the Government
has been indicated in the Statement
made by the Finance Minister in this
House on 21-3-1972 according to
which the excise levy will continue for
the financial year 1972-73.

Criteria for issuing invitation Cards to
M. Ps. on the Occasion of 15th August
and 26th January

*273. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF-
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of
DEFENCE be pleased to state:

(a) the criteria Government have
adopted for issuing invitation cards to
the Members of Parliament on the oc-
casion of 15 th August and 26th Janu-
ary National functions;

(b) whether Government have re-
ceived complaints from the M.Ps. re-
garding unsatisfactory arrangements
made by his Ministry for receiving and
seating them; and

33 yVrltten Answers

SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 34

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
{SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) to (c).
All Members of Parliament (together
with their spouses, if any) are invited
to witness the Flag Hoisting Ceremony
on the 15th August. Due to limited
seating capacity on the Rampart,
Leaders of Opposition groups in Parlia-
ment and a few senior Members are
provided seats on the Ramparts; the
remaining Members of Parliament are
provided seats in ‘M* Enclosure below
the Rampart.

On the occasion of the Republic Day
Parade on the 26th January, the prac-
tice has been to request all Members of
Parliament in writing to indicate whe-
ther or not they will attend the Repub-
lic Day Parade. Invitation cards for the
Republic Day Parade are issued to
such of the Members of Parliament as
express their willingness to attend the
function. All Members of Parliament
who are invited to the Republic Day
Parade are seated in ‘V-l* Enclosure.
While seats for the Leaders of the Op-
position groups in Parliament and a
few senior Members of Parliament are
reserved by name, a block of seats in
that Enclosure is provided for the re-
maining Members of Parliament.

No complaints have been received
from Members of Parliament regarding
unsatisfactory arrangements made for
receiving and seating them.

Progress of Naval Dockyard Project at
Visakhapatnam

*274. SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA:
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be
pleased to s ate:

(a) whether the progress of the
Naval Dockyard Project at Visakha-
patnam is. held up due to interruption
of dredging work;

(b) whether the foreign contractors
responsible for di edging have stopped
their operations and left the site due to
a contractual dispute; and

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No,
Sir.

(b) and (c). The dredging work had
been suspended by the Director Gene-
ral, Naval Project in July 1969 as the
dredging area could not be made avail-
able. The contractor was also permitted
to leave the site. It is planned to resume
dredging in December, 1972.

Increasing Facilities for the Saiaik
School Employees

*275. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether there is any proposal
before Government to increase the faci-
lities for the Sainik School employees,
including Class IV employees; and

(b) if so, the salient features of the
proposals and the action taken
thereon?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): fa) No,
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Opening of Branches of Nationalised
Banks In Bihar

*276. KUMARI KAMLA KU-
MARI: Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have issued
instructions to Nationalised Banks to
open Branches in backward Districts of
Bihar and especially in Chotanagpur
Region; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN ) :
(a) and (b). Since nationalisation pub-
lic sector banks have been giving as
a matter of policy, special attention to
the needs of the hitherto underbanked
States and within a State to poorly
hanked and backward districts and re-
gions. Thus over the period end-June
1969 to March 1972, whereas in the
country as a whole, the number of offi-
ces of all commercial banks, including
the public sector banks, increased by
5,047 i.e. by 61 per cent, for Bihar the
corresponding increase was 254 i,e. b\
93 per cent. Within Bihar itself, out
of the 254 new offices, 51 were opened
in the 5 districts of the Chotanagpur
region, raising the total number of offi-
ces functioning in that region to 147 as
against 527 in the Bihar State as a
wfaete. As on 31st March, 1972, tfaa

35 Written Answers

AUGUST 18, 1972

Written Answers 36-

population per office in the Chotanag-
pur region was 75,000 as against
1 ,07,000 for the Bihar State as a whole.

Proposal to set up a Fertilizer
Plant at Nalagarh in Himachal
Pradesh

*277. SHRI HARI KISHORE
SINGH: Will the Minister of PETRO-
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased
to state

(a) whether there is any proposal
under the consideration of Government
to set up a fertilizer plant at Nalagarh,
Himachal Pradesh, in the joint sector;

(b) whether any assistance has been
given by Central Government for this
Project ,

(d) the time by which it will start
functioning?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE) : (a) No. Sir.

(b) to (d). Do not arise.

Indo-Nepal AIR Pact

*278. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRA-
SAD SINGH ;

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM
KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased
to state:

(a) whether India and Nepal have
signed an Air pact; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines
thereof?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Con-

sultations between the delegations of
the Government of India and His
Majesty’s Government of Nepal were
held in New Delhi, from 20th to 25th
July 1972 and resulted in the adoption
of an fresh agreement on air services
by the airlines of Nepal and India. The
revised agreement provides for the
operation of services by the Royal
Nepal Airlines to Varanasi in addition
to the points in India already being
served by it, namely, Delhi, Patna and
Calcutta. Further, the Royal Nepal

Airlines will also have the opportunity
to operate some international air ser-
vices through Calcutta and Delhi. Re-
ciprocally, provision has been made for
Indian air services to operate interna-
tional services through Kathmandu.

Changes being made by China in her
Defence Strategy

*219. SHRI FATEHSINGHRAO
GAEKWAD :

SHRI PILOO MODY:

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government’s attention
has been drawn to press reports to the
effect that China is making certain
fundamental changes in her defence
strategy and is seeking to reinforce its
arsenal with nuclear tactical weapons
and also strengthening air arm with
special fighter bombers; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern-
ment thereto?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI TAGJ1VAN RAM) - (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) All the reports are assessed and'
taken into account in planning our de-
fence preparedness.

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Written Answers 18

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Loans advanced by SBI to Farmers of

Rewa Region, Madhya Pradesh

2581 SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
KEWA: Will the Minister of

FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) the amount of loans advanced by
the State Bank of India or other
Nationalised Banks to fanners of Rewa

Region in Madhya Pradesh during the
fast three years; and

(b) the number of farmers benefit-
ed?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI-
MATI, SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a)
and (b). The information is being col-
lected and will be laid on the Table of
the House.

Loans to Scheduled Castes, Scheduled
Tribes and Adivasis by Nationalised
Banks in Madhya Pradesh

2582. SHRI MARTAND SINGH
OF REWA: Will the Minister of
FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the number ot persons belonging
to the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes and Adivasis who have been ad-
vanced loans by ihe Nationalised Banks
during 1971-72 in the State of Madhya
Pradesh; and

(b) the maximum amount of loans
advanced to the small farmers in the
State?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
( SHRI M ATI SUSHILA ROHATGI):
(a) Banks do not distinguish between
scheduled castes and scheduled tribes
on the one hand and the rest of the
constituents on the other in the main-
tenance of statistics ; the information
asked lor by the Hon’ble Member, is
therefore, not available.

(b) The amount of direct finance to
small farmers in Madhya Pradesh in
terms of outstandings as on the last
Friday ot December, 1971, aggregated
about Rs. 45 lacs.

Proposal to Construct an Aerodrome at
Rewa (Madhya Pradesh)

2583. SHRI MARTAND SINGH
OF REWA: Will the Minister of
TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION,

be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
construct an aerodrome at Rewa
(Madhya Pradesh); and

(b) the time by which it is likely to
be ready for service?

39 Written Answers

AUGUST 18. 1972

Written Answers 48

THE MINISTER OP TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH):

(a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

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Students who passed from Sainik School
and Joined National Defence Academy

2585. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :
Will the MINISTER OF DEFENCE bn
pleased to state :

(a) the total number of students who
passed from different Sainik Schools In
India during the last three years and the

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Written Answers 42

number of the students who goi admis-
sion to the National Defence Academy;

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JAGJTVAN RAM): (a) A
statement is enclosed.

(b) Government are not aware of any
discontent prevailing in the teaching

staff. There has been no deterioration
in the standard of education in these
schools.

Statement

LSCIHSC Results

Year Total Total

number number
appeared passed

Nov.— Dec. 1969 . 485 450

Nov.— Dec. 1970 . 580 557

Mar.— Apr. 1972 673 $41

Results for the 41s/ to 46 th Courses

NDA Course Date of commence- No. ap- Nc. quali- No. not No. actual*

ment of the course pearedin fled in admitted lyadmit-
U.P.S.C. Service for low ted to
Selection medical N.D.A.
Board category

41st .

January 1969

616

379

106

42nd .

. July 1969

856

626

120

43rd .

January 1970

760

411

44th

. July 1970

981

596

126

45th .

January 1971

618

404

46th .

. July 1971

511

230

Resignation by Employees of Sainik
Schools dne to Maltreatment

2586. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :
Will the MINISTER OF DEFENCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware
that a large number of teachers and
other employees of different Sainik
Schools in India were forced to resign
due to the maltreatment of the Sainik
School Officials; and

(b) if so, whether Government pro-
pose to conduct an enquiry into the
functioning of the Sainik Schools in
India?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No, Sir.
(b) Does not arise.

Projects to be taken ap for Development
of Tourism in, Kerala Daring Fifth Plan

2587. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND

CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have formu-
lated any comprehensive scheme for the
development of tourism during the Fifth
Five Year Plan : and

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(b) if so, the names and particulars of
the main projects to be taken up in
Kerala as part of the scheme during this
period and the estimated expenditure
thereon 7

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN
SINGH) : (a) and (b). Schemes for the
Fifth Plan have not yet been finalised.
However, the integrated development of
Kovalam as a beach resort of inter-
national standards will spill over into
the Fifth Plan.

riopesnlfl from private entrepreneurs
for con stru ct i on of modern Hotels

2588. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of proposals
from private entrepreneurs for construc-
tion of modern hotels of international
sta ndar d are pending consideration with
Government;

(b) if so, the number of such propo-
sals with particulars of the Indian par-
ties and foreign collaborations received
during 1971 and this year: and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH): (a) Applications
'from private parties for the approval of
hotel projects from the point of view
of their suitability being received in the
Department of Tourism As of now.
such projects approved at the planning
stage, number 93. The Department is
in touch with the promoters of 33
other projects regarding the particulars
required for approval.

(b) and (c). Five applications for
foreign collaboration in hotel projects
were received in 1971 and 1972, of
which 2 which satisfied the prescribed
requirements have been approved. These
are respectively between Adyar Gate
Hotel Pvt. Ltd., Madras and Holiday
Inns Inc., U.S.A., and between Uttar
Pradesh Hotels and Restaurants Ltd.,
Varanasi and Ramada Inns Inc., U.S A.
Of the other three, two have not com-
plied with certain basic requirements,
and additional information is awaited
from the third.

Directive to I.T.D.C. to give due aagn»
wn t ntinn to persons bri e fing to Sche-
duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes

2589. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a very few members of
the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes are working in the Indian Touri-
sm Development Corporation and if so,
the total number thereof at present ;

(b) whether complaints have been re-
ceived by Government that reservation
of posts for these communities is not
made while making recruitment of staff
in this Corporation and if so, the action
taken thereon; and

(c) whether any directive has been
issued by Government to the India Tou-
rism Development Corporation to give
due representation to persons belonging
to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tri-
bes while making recruitment of staff in
future?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR.
KARAN SINGH) : (a) There are 691
employees belonging to Scheduled Castes
and 36 employees belonging to Schedul-
ed Tribes against the total strength of
3858 employees in the TTDC.

(b) Yes. Sir. The complaints have
been examined and with the issue of
a directive to the Corporation on 8-11-
1971, the position is expected to im-
prove.

Tuition Fee subsidy to the Children of
Government Employees

2590. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
THUNWALA : Will the Minister of
FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government employees
are paid tuition fee subsidy for their
children studying in Government or
Government aided schools in Delhi
from 9th class onwards;

(b) whether the rate of payment for
boys is higher than that for girls; and

(c) if so, the actual rates at which the
payments are made, the reasons for dis-
crimination and what steps are being
taken to ensure that the rate of pay-
ment is made uniform?

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Written Answers 46

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI
K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). Yt%

(c) The rates of tuition fees in Gov-
ernment and Government aided schools
prescribed by the Delhi Administration
are as under:—

Boys’, Schools Girls’ Schools

First

Second

Fust

Second

Grade

Giade

Grade

Rs.

•

■ •

8-00

6-00

400

300

• ft

9-00

7 00

500

3*50

• »

10-00

8 -CO

6 00

4 -CO

According to the general scheme of re-
imbursement of tuition fees, applicable
to Central Government employees, re-
imbursement is admissible to the extent
of the fees prescribed in Government
schools in the respective States or the
actual fees paid, whichever is lower.
The reimbursement is thus subject to
the limit of the actual payment made in
each case. The question of any discri-
mination does not. therefore, arise.

Observation made by Custodian of Cen-
tral Bank regarding Inflation

2591. SHRI E. V. VJKHE PAT1L :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether attention of Government
has been drawn to the statement of Cus-
todian of Central Bank appeared in
’‘Statesman” on 24th July, 1972 in re-
gard to inflationary trends in the coun-
try because of the policy of deficit
financing; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
(SHRI YESHWANTR AO CHAV AN) :
(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Government is fully alive to
the fact that a certain pressure on prices
has also emanated from the budgetary
operations and as such attaches highest
importance to fiscal and monetary disci-
pline and to measures designed to acce-

lerate production and strengthen and
widen the system of public distribution.

Representation for Grant of Paialfe
Pensions from Widows of Ex-Serrice-

u. K. PANDA: Wid
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to refer to the reply Riven to Unstarred
Question No. 3592 in the Lot Sabha on
21st April, 1972 and state:

(a) the number of representations for
grant of Family Pensions received direct
and through M Ps. from the widows of

C i'«« icemen * °^ er th&n Commission-
ed Officers who retired on service pen-
sions before 1st January, 1964 and died
after attaining the age of 60 years or
after 5 years from the date of retirement
and in whose cases the Family Pension
Scheme introduced in 1964 is not gene-
rally applicable;

(b) the number with full particulars
of cases out of those referred to in part
(a) above in which Family Pensions
have since been sanctioned under the
Family Pension Scheme introduced in
1964; and

(c) the number with full particulars
of the cases in which Family Pensions
have not so far been sanctioned and
time by when the Family Pension will
be sanctioned in each case?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c).
The time and labour involved in collect-
ing the information will not be com-
mensurate with the results likely to be
achieved.

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Written Answers 48

Under the Family Pension Scheme in-
troduced in 1964, widows of all deceas-
ed Armed Forces personnel who were
in service on 1-1-1964 or who join ser-
vice thereafter, are eligible for ordinary
family pension for life, irrespective of
the age at which such personnel die.
This Scheme, however, is not applicable
in the case of those ex-Servicemen who
had retired before 1-1-1964.

Joint Stock and Private Limited Com-
panies

2593. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of joint stock
and private Limited Companies func-
tioning in the States of Assam, Megha-
laya, Manipur, Tripura and Union Terri-
tories of Mizoram and Arunachal at the
end of the year 1971-72, separately; and

Ob) the places of their Registered
Head Offices?

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA
REDDY) : (a) and (b). The informa-

tion is being collected and it will be laid
on the Table of the House.

Remand for nationalisation of AOC in
Assam

2594. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a demand made
by the various public and labour orga-
nisations to nationalise the A.O.C. in
Assam; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE, AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE) : (a) Government has not
received any such specific demand in
the recent past.

(b) Does not arise.

Persons of Assam Rifles and Assam Re-
giment killed and taken prisoners during
the last Tndo-Pak Conflict

2595, SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased

to state the total number of persons of
the Assam Rifles and Assam Regiment
killed, taken prisoners or missing in the
last Indo-Pak conflict?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE.
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM : The infor-
mation is as below :

Number of persons

Regiment

Killed Taken Missing
PsOW

Assam Regt. 56 133 18

Assam Rifles NIL NIL NIL

Number of S.C. & S.T. Employees In
O.N.G.C-

2596. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state:

(a) the staff strength, category-wise,
in Oil and Natural Gas Commission as
on 1st January, 1972 and the number of
employees belonging to Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes;

(b) whether the reserved quota for
candidates of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes has been maintained
and if not, the reasons therefor; and

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE, AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE) * (a) The position of staff
strength category wise in the ON.G.C.
as on 1-1-72 and the number of em-
ployees belonging to Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes is given below : —

Similar results are

540

are expected to be cured in

expected.

1972 ?

* The Psychiatric treatment is a long term method of cure.
Complete cure initially is difficult to state and determine.
During 1970-71 & 1971-72 approximately about 30% of the
patients who attended OPA or were admitted as inpatients,
became completely symptom free. Another 50% of the rest
improved considerably so as to make a suitable social adjust-
ment. It is expected that of the rest about 50% again become
manageable in community,

@ No. discharged.

Admission in M.B-A. courses, Delhi
University

2828. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WhLFARE be pleased to state :

(a) tbe criteria adopted for admission
in the Master of Business Administration
course in Delhi University in 1970 and 1971;

(b) whether persons from News Agen-
cies are not given any reservation; and

' THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION*
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE

(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) There
are two M B.A. Cpurses in the Department
of Business Management and Industrial
Management namely, (i; M.B.A, (full-time)
for the fresh graduates and (ii) M.B A.
(Pait-time) for the working executives. The
criteria prescribed by the University of
Delhi for admission to each of these courses
is given in the enclosed statement.

(b) and (c) : No, Sir. Part-time Courses
are open to all eligible candidates both
from private and public sectors and equal
opportunities are offered to them to com-
pete for the course.

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Written Answers 76

Statement

Criteria for admission far the acade-
mic years 7970-77 aikd 2911-72 :

(/) M.B.A- (Full-Time) r

Applications for admission to the First
Year MBA Course will be received from
candidates who have passed Bachelor's
Degree in Arts, Science, Social Sciences,
Commerce and Technology and secured at
least fifty percent marks in aggregate in the
first Degree Examination. Preference will
be given to those coming from disciplines
like Psychology, Sociology , Economics,
Commerce, Engineering and Mathematics.
Relaxation from the minimum marks requit-
ed in the first degree examination may be
made for a holder of post-graduate Degree,
Diploma or Certificate in any of the afore-
said disciplines or in Law. Statistics, Opera-
tion Research, Public Administration, Post-
Graduate Certificate Course in Office
Supervision for Women of the Department
of Business Management and Industrial
Administration, University of Delhi, provi-
ded he or she has secured at least sixty
percent of marks in aggregate in such an
examination.

2. Admission to M.B.A. Course will
be strictly in order of merit determined on
the following criteria :

(a) Candidate's previous academic
record;

(b) Candidate’s score in admission
tests, group discussion conducted
by the Department ;

(//) M.B.A. ( Part-Time ) :

1. Every candidate seeking admission
to M.B.A. (Partrtune) Course shall have
passed a Bachelor's Degree Examination in
Arts, Law, Commerce, Science, Engineering
or Technology of the University of Delhi
or any other University recognised as equi-
valent thereto with at least 45 percent of
ttgileg Ibr, aggregate and possess the other
^nullifications mentioned hereunder : —

He/She should hav$ at least two years
experience at the junior executive level in
a commercial or industrial establishment
and should have acquired background of
commercial operations. He/She should
also be sponsored by his/her employer.

NOTE : Any Government or Semi-Govern
ment organisation or public uti-
lity concern, having functions of
commercial nature can also spon-
sor candidates provided the can-
didates sponsored have atleast two
years' experience at the junior
executive level.

Selection of candidates for admission to
Jst year M.B.A. (Part-Time) Course is made
on the basis of their performance in the
academic achievement, sponsorship about
the can didates and the final interview.

Reservation of seats for States in
evening law centre, Delhi
University Law College

2829. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is reservation of seats
for admission for States in the Evening
Law Centre (Mandir Marg), Delhi Univer-
sity Law College; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b):
No, Sir. Admissions are made on the
basis of merit in accordance with the pro-
cedures prescribed by the University.

Correspondence Course In LL*B. in
Delhi University

2830. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
start correspondence course for LL.B. in
Delhi University and other Central Uni*

versities; and

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 78

(ti^ if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No,

Sir. It is for the Universities to institute
such courses of study as they deem necessary
within the framework of their Acts and
Statutes.

(b) Does not arise.

Request from Punjab Government for
Assistance for constructing Strategic
Roads

2831. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of SHIPP-
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Punjab Government has
asked for Central assistance for construct-
ing strategic roads in the State; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Centre in
this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). Strategic Roads

works, assessed to cost about Rs. 23 crores,
with hundred per cent grants-in-aid from
Central Government, are alrea dy under
various stages of processing and construction.
No fresh demand has been received.

Assistance for Wholesale Markets in
Bihar State

2832. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state ;

(a) whether Bihar Government is consi-
dering to develop wholesale markets in the
State; and

(b) if so, the financial assistance asked
for from the Centre and the reaction of the
Centre in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI

ANNASAHEB P, SHINDE) (a) and (b) :
The Bihar Government formulated and sent
to the < ovcrnment of India a project for
the development of 50 selected regulated
markets in the State for assistance from
the IDA (International Development Asso-
ciation, an affiliate of the World Bank). At
the instance of the GOl the Project was
appraised by the IDA and sanctioned for
an assistance of the order of US $14 million
(Rs. 10.16 crores). The Project which is
now under implementation includes some
financial assistance from Government of
India also.

Under a Central Sector scheme of the
Ministry of Agriculture for the development
of regulated markets financial assistance
may be availableto markets Committee, of a
fdw selected regulated markets in Bihar,
among other spates, to enable them to draw
institutional finance for the development 'of
the markets.

National Policy on adult Education

2833. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA :

SHRI ARVIND NETAM :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government are considering
to evolve a national policy on adult educa-
tion; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE DEPUTY • MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). The policy to be

adopted in regard to Adult Education is
already included in the M National Policy on
Education”. However, Government are
considering the question of making it more
comprehensive particularly to take into
account the needs of the youth in the age-
group 15-25. This will be considered by
the Central Advisory Board of Education at
its next meeting.

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Progress la opening of fgo DMS Milk
Booths in D IZ- Aren of New Delhi

2834 SHUT SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA :

SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to refer to the reply given to
Uoatarred question No. 707 on 20th March,
1972 and state :

(a) the progress made in opening two
more milk booths of Delhi Milk Scheme in
Sector 4 D’ of D I.Z. Area in New Delhi;
and

(b) the time by which they will be
opened 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SING) : (a) The approval of New
Delhi Municipal Committee is awaited for
erection of milk booths at the two sites
selected in Sector ‘D* D.I Z. area. After
this approval is received, these sites will be
included in the sites on which new booths
are to be erected by the D.M.S. in the next
phase of their expansion programme, as and
when sanctioned by Govt.

(b) A definite date cannot be indicated
at this stage.

Help to solve Housing Problem in States

2835. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India has
any proposal under consideration to help
the States in solving their Housing Problems;
and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING : (PROF.
D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA ; (a) and (b).
Starting from 1952, the Government of
Indict have introduced a number of social
fkmaing schemes to help the State Govern-

ments in ameliorating the housing conditions
of the people in lower income brackets. Of
these, the following schemes, at present,
fall in the State Sector : —

1. Integrated Subsidised Housing
Scheme for Industrial Workers and
Economically Weaker Sections of
the Community (1952)

2. Low Income Group Housing
Scheme. (1954)

3. Slum Clearance/Improvemeat
Scheme. (1956)

4. Village Housing Projects Scheme.
(1957)

5. Middle Income Group Housing
Scheme. (1959)

6. Rental Housing Scheme for State *
Government Employees. (1959)

7. Land Acquisition and Development
Scheme. (1959)

Central assistance for these schemes is
included in the block Central assistance
being given by Central Government to the
State Governments for all State Sector
Schemes. The State Governments are free
to determine the programmes to be executed
under various State Sector Schemes and . the
funds are allocated therefor according to
their own requirements and priorities.

2. In addition, the following schemes
are being implemented in the Central
Sccto m

(i) Subsidised Housing Scheme for
Plantation Workers.

(ii) Scheme for Provision of House-
sites to Landless Workers in
Rural Areas.

The Scheme listed at (i) above was
introduced m 1956. It was being implemen-
ted as a State Sector Scheme till it was
transferred to the Central Sector from April
1970. The other scheme at (ii) above has
been lakes up for implementation only
from the beginning of the current financial
year. A provision of Ri. 5 crons has been
made for implementation of this Scheme

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SRAVANA 30, 1*94 (SAKA)

Written Answeri $2

during the current year whereas another
slim of R s. 75 .00 lakhs has been provided
for implementation of the first Scheme.

Salient features of these Schemes are
available in the Parlimentary Library.

3. Apart from these Schemes, a Central
Government undertaking, called the "Hous-
ing and Urban Development Corporation,”
has recently been established with an equity
capital of Rs 10 crores. The Corporation
is expected to build up a sizeable revolving
fund for providing financial assistance to
the State Governments and the State Hous-
ing Boards for accelerating implementation
of viable housing programmes.

4. There is also a scheme for 100%
grant for improvement to slums in some of
the larger cities, in respect of slums which
cannot be rebuilt for a number of years to
come (10 years, proposed to be reduced to
5 years). A sum of Rs. 15 crores is pro-
posed to be spent under this scheme during
the current year.

Prices and Performance of a new Tractor
with German Collaboration

2836. SHR1 C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

* (a) whether a new tractor DWVTZ 40
H.P. Model D 40006 with the collaboration
of Germany has come in the market ; and

(b) if so, particulars regarding its price
and performances ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) 500

numbers of Deutz Model 4006 tractor have
been imported recently from West Germany
for assembly by the Indian collaborators
M/s Kirloskar Tractors Ltd.

(b) A selling price of Rs. 41,717/- ex-
factory of this tractor has been approved by
the Government of India* The tractor has
been tested at the Tractor Training and
Testing Station, Budoi. Its performance
in the field would be known after it has
worked in the field for some time.

Request from Mysore to nationalise
Sugar Industry

2837 SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state ;

(a) whether the State of Mysore has
approached the Central Government for
nationalising the Sugar Industry in the
country ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : la) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Selection Committee Member appointed
as Professor in 1. 1* T. Delhi

2838. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ-
PAYEE :

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO
JOSH I :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION,
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the Selection Committee of
Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi chose
one of its members for the appointment of
the Professor of Curriculum Development
Cell in the Civil Engineering Department of
the Institute ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and tb).
No*, Sir. The correct position is that the
post of Professor, Curriculum Development
was advertised and a Selection Committee
constituted according to Statutes. The
Selection Committee after interviewing the
applicants found that none was suitable for
the post. It, therefore, recommended that
since this position required a person of
experience and leadership qualities, one of
the existing professors in the Civil Engi-
neering Department should be assigned to
Curriculum Development work and that
the resulting vacancy should be filled from

AUOV

Written jHitum 94

93 Written Atuwtri

among the Assistant Professor of the
Department. The Board of Governors of
the Institute accepted the first part of the
recommendation but decided that the
resultant vacancy should be filled through
normal recruitment procedures.

Environment Scheme for Eleven cities
having population of eight lakhs

2839. sHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether an environment scheme has
been taken up in 11 cities having population
of eight lakhs ; and

(b) if so, the main features of the
scheme, names of the cities and total
amount that the scheme is expected to
cost ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) This scheme provides for cent per
cent grants to the State Governments for
carrying out environmental improvements
in slums in eleven cities which have a po-
pulation of not less than 8 lakhs each The
amount allocated for the purpose during
the year 1972-73 is Rs. 15 crores and it has
been agreed that projects costing upto
Rs. 20 crores could be sanctioned in respect
of these cities during this year. The names
of the cities and the amounts allocated are

as under : —

■ JT

SI. Name of Amount allocated
No. the City for 1972-73

(Rs. »n crores)

1. Calcutta Metro-
politan District 3.5

2. Greater Bombay 2.5

3. Delbi Urban

Ajgfomeratjon 2.5

4. Madras

, 1972

Hyderabad Urban
Agglomeration

1.5

6 .

Ahmedabad Urban
Agglomeration

1.5

Bangalore Urban
Agglomeration

1.5

Kanpur

1.5

Poona Urban
Agglomeration

1.0

10 .

Nagpur

1.0

11.

Lucknow Urban
Agglomeratioa

1.0

Total :

200

The assistance is available for environ-
mental improvement to existing slums
normally consisting of water supply, sewers,
storm water drains, community baths and
community latrines, widening and paving
of existing lanes and street Iightmg.

Deaths due to nuif-nutrition in Mjlda

2840. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMTLY PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether many mal-nutrition deaths
have been reported from Malda in West
Bengal ; and

(b) if so, the steps proposed to prevent
such recurrence ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and
(b). The information is being collected and
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha.

Movement of Foodgrains by Road to
Assam

2841. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state : *

(a) whether some contracts have been
given by the Food Corporation of India to
yome of the TfWport Companies for the

2.5

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SR AVAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 84

movement of foodgrains by road 1 1 Assam
despite availability of railway wagons ;

(b) if so, the reasons for the same :
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
In 1971, during the monsoon season and
almost up to the end of October, the rail,
river and road communications in the
Eastern Region >ere seriously interrupted
by floods. Consequently, the movement of
foodgrains from sectors served by the broad
gauge and the metre gauge railways to
North Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya,
Nagaland, Manipur, was seriously affected.
Subsequently, emergency operations com-
menced in the Eastern Region. In the
circumstances, it was considered essential to
immediately build up three months* stock
of foodgrains in Assam and other States in
the North Eastern Region. It was not
possible to do so by using rail transport
alone. The Railways vere simultaneously
engaged in other urgent operational move-
ments in the same sector. Therefore, the
movement of foodgrains by rail to Assam
bad to be supplemented by road up to
1.1. 1972.

Sapply of pulses by F. C. I. to Army

while In operation in Bangladesh
and Bangladesh Refugees

2842. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether any enquiry has been ins-
tituted to elicit truth about the supply of
sub-standard dal (pulses) by Food Corpo-
ration of India to army while in operation
m Bangladesh ;

(b) whether same quality of pulses were
supplied to the Bangladesh refugees ;

(c) whether procedure laid down in
tender enquiry for inspection of this stocks
by the Food Corporation of Indn staff
before despatches were followed ; and

(d) if not, the reasons for thn came 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such
complaint has been received and hence the
question of institution of any enquiry does
not arise.

(bj The supply of pulses to Bangla
Desh refugees was made by the Food Cor-
poration of India in accordance with Fair
Average Quality specifications through the
State Governments and .the Department of
Rehabilitation of the Government of India.

(d) Does not arise.

Evening Classes in Nehru Memorial

Homoeopathic Medical College,

New Delhi

284 3. SHRI S. M BANERJEE:
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Evening Classes in Nehru
Memorial Homoeopathic Medical College,
Defence Colony, New Delhi have been
stopped from this year;

(b) if so, the reason therefor;

(c) whether many Central Government
employees with requisite qualification for
admission into that College, will be put to a
greate; disadvantage with the decision of the
authorities to close down Evening Classes;
and

(d) if so, whether Government will
consider opining of Evening Classes Colleges
in Delhi for affording the Central Govern-
ment employees with this facility in view of
the shortages of doctors in Delhi 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA': (a) Yes, S : r.

(b) The Education Advisory Committee
of the Board of Management of the Nehru
Memorial Hpmoeopaihic Medical College

87 Written Answer*

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers 88

decided to stop the evffting classes, as they
found that the students attending these
classes could not spare more than 3 hours
daily for 5 days a week and hardly any
time on Saturdays, Sundays and holidays
and hence could not pursue their studies
effectively.

(c) As the classes were stopped due to
poor response, the question of putting any
body to disadvantage does not arise. No
applications from Central Government em-
ployees were received by the authorities
this year.

(d) There is no shortage of qualified
homoeopathic doctors in Delhi.

Collection of Statistics regarding
Rural Housing

2844. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether up-to-date statistics with
regard to the needs of rural housing acco.
mmodation in (lie country are not availa-
ble with Government;

(b) if so, whether this data is being
collected in order to formulate plans for
providing the required rural housing acco-
mmodation; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No Sir;
such statistics relating io each rural area
are not available with Government.

(b) and (c). Some data on housing shor-
tage have been collected during the 1971-
Census. These data have yet to be tabu-
lated by the Registrar General.

Integration of Scheduled Castes and
Tribes iu Mainstream of Indian
Life

2845. SHRI B. V. NA1K : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state ;

(a) the various measures taken to inte-
grate the Scheduled Cashes and Tribes in
the mainstream of the Indian life; and

(b) Government's assessment about
succees in regard to these measures ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) and (b) Special provisions
have been made in the Constitution of India
to safeguard and promote the interests of
the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
in different spheres of life. Special men-
tion has been made in Article 46 of the
Constitution that the State shall promote
with special care ihe educational and econo-
mic interests of the weaker sections of the
people, and in particular, of the Scheduled
Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, and shall
protect them from social injustice and all
forms of exploitation.

In pursuance of the above policy special
provisions were made in the Five Year Plans
During the First 18 years of Planning, a
sum of about Rs. 275 crores was spent on
the schemes for the welfare of Backward
Classes. During the Fourth Plan period,
Ri 142 crores has been allocated. For
the educational and economical develop-
ment of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes, schemes like tribal development
blocks, post-matric scholarships, pre-metric
scholarships, and housing facilities etc. are
being implemented under the Backward
Classes Sector. The programme is supple-
mental to the programme under the Gene-
ral Sector. In addition the State Govern-
ments are also spending considerable sums
on the welfare of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes from their non-Plan funds.

In addition to the above programme,
Untouchability Act is being enforced more
vigorously. Inter-caste marriages are also
encouraged. More hostel accommodation
is being provided in the general hostels for
Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe stu-
dents. Candidates with brilliant academic
qualifications are being offered scholarships
for study abroad. Adequate steps have
taken to reserve certain percentage of posts
and seats both in Government and private
institutions for Scheduled Castes and Sche-
duled Triton Above all these people are

99 - Written Answers SR A VAN A 30, 1894 (&AKA) Written Aniwen to

alsoJto got the benefits from the general
programmes also. Different State Govern-
ments have taken up the programme of dis-
tributing the land both for agriculture and
housing to people belonging to Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes.

These measures have succeeded to great
extent in bringing Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes in the mainstream of the
Indian life.

Constitutional benefits to various

Communities of Scheduled Castes
and Tribes

2846. SHRI B. V. NAIIC ; Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the constitutional benefits
flowing to the Scheduled Castes and Tribes
are equitably distributed among the various
caUes and communities comprising these
Scheduled Castes and Tribes; and

(b) if so, the communal composition of
the elected representatives belonging to the
the various Schehulcd Castes and Tribes in
Parliament and State Legislatures, caste by
caste, vis-a-vis their population ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI £. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) (a) : Even among the Sche-
duled Castes Sc Scheduled Tribes, there are
poor and neglected sections. The benefits
flowing to the Castes Sc Communities comp-
rising Scheduled Castes St Scheduled Tribes
cannot be said to be even.

(b) : Eligibility for contesting elections
to the Lok Sabha Sc Vidhan Sabhas is not
based on communal considerations. Seats
am reserved in the Lok Sabha and State
Legislatures for the Scheduled Castes Sc
Scheduled Tribes on the basis of their being
included in the list of Scheduled Caste Sc
Scheduled Tribe. They are eligible to con-
test elections on account of being so
declared.

financial Assistance to Schools and
Colleges

2847. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state ;

(a) whether Central financial assistance
to different educational institutions like
Schools and Colleges, by Government, cons-
titutes a major portion of the revenue ex-
penses of these institutions;

(b) what steps Government take to en-
sure the proper utilisations of this financial
assistance;

(c) whether the Government nominees
on the Managing Bodies of these educatio-
nal institutions amount to any encroach-
ment on the educational autonomy of these
institutions;

(d) how far this autonomy principle is
working compatibly wit h the clean manage-
ment of these educational institutions; and

(•) whether Government contemplate
nominating their Directors at least in edu-
cational institutions with bad records of
management ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Central * financial assis-

tance constitutes a major portion of revenue
expen es of a few educational institutions
like Schools and Colleges.

(b) Annual audited accounts and annual
reports are obtained and scrutinised. Ins-
pections/reviews are carried out where
necessary.

(d) The autonomy principle is working
compatibly with clean management of
educational Institutions.

• e

(e) The question will be considered on
merits as and when an occasion arises.

Academic Qualifications for Members of
Managing Bodies of Central Aided
Schools and Colleges

1848. SHRI B.V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state >

(a) whether any basic minimum acade-
mic qualifications have been prescribed for

91 Written Answer I

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers 92

being elected to the managing bodies of the
privately run Centrally-aided Schools and
Colleges; and

(b) if so, what are they, and if not the
reasons therefor 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
No, Sir. It is for the State Governments/
Universities/State Boards of Education/
Institutions to prescribe such qualifications.

Nationalisation of Government aided Schools
in Delhi

2849. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether in Delhi many private
schools are running with Government aid
amounting to more than 90 per cent of their
expenses and their management is still in
the hands of private people/ bodies/ trusts/
societies;

(b) if so, whether there is any proposal
under the consideration of Government for
nationalizing such Institutions; and

ic) if so, by what time these are going
to be nationalized 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) to (c). The Delhi Administration is
giving recurring maintenance grant to the
extent of 93% of the approved expenditure
to 177 aided schools in the Union Territory
of Delhi All the aided schools are gover-
ned by the Delhi Fducation Code, 1965.
According to the Delhi Education Code, the
approved expenditure for maintenance
recurring grant shall comprise (i) salaries
of the staff appointed wi f h the approval of
the Department to the extent of the number
of posts which have been sanctioned and
approved by the Department of grant-in-aid
purposes in accordance with the post-fixa-
tion rules and (ii) C. P. Fund contribution
on this same staff. When complaints have
been received by the Delhi Administration
against the management of such schools.

the Delhi Administration have suspended
the Managements of these schools on
account of faulty working and partly on
account of their financial instability in
accordance with Article 90(A) of the Delhi
Education Code. Under the provisions of
the existing Delhi Education Code whenever
the management committee of an aided
school is found not functioning smoothly
and the school is also not financially viable,
the Administration could suspend in the
public interest the management of the
school after giving a reasonable opportunity
of showing cause to the managing commi-
ttee and appoint an officer of the Education
Department to be an Administrator to dis-
charge all the duties and the responsibilities
of the Manager or the Managing Committee.
There is no provision under the present
Delhi Education Code to take over default-
ing schools is permanently.

Complaints against Houses constructed in
Sector ‘B* of D1Z Area, New Delhi

2850. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to refer to the reply given to
Unstarred Question No. 784 on the 20th
March, 1972 and state :

(a) the number and serial number of
quarters where the complaints against irre-
gular slopes in bath rooms and defects in
polishing, separately were attended to;

(b) whether it has been brought to his
notice that complaints registered in tho
Enquiry office at 5, Haig Square are not
attended even for months together;

(c) the effective steps proposed to be
taken in this regard and ensure that all the
complaints registered in the satisfaction of
the occupants; and

(d) whether it is proposed to institute
an inquiry as to why there are so many
complaints in these newly constructed quar-
ters ?

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING, AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKER
D1KSHIT) ;

SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 94

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i (a) Complaints reporting irregular
slopes:

Quarter Nos. 583, <621 and 698

Complaints regarding polishing of floors .

Quarter Nos, 709, 720, 721 and 757.

The above list does not include some
quarters, where such defects had been repor-
ted directly to the contractor, who was
responsible for rectifying these defects during
the guarantee period.

(b) Most of the complaints lodged are
attended to within a period of 2 to 3 days.
However, in some cases, it was not possible
to attend to complaints expeditiously for
want of stores, etc.

tions to attend to all complaints as early as
possible. Steps have been taken to stock
the Enquiry Office with the stores required
for normal maintenance. ,

(d) The number of complaints received
from the occupants is not considered to be
unduly large and therefore the questions of
instituting an inquiry does not arise.

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Mi4. SHRI FATBSINGHRA.O
GAEKWA0 : Will the Minister of SHIPP-
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to

ft*te :

(a) the total number of buses at present
in the Workshop of Delhi Transport Corpo-
ration under repairs and average life of a
bus in the Delhi Transport Corporation;

(b) the average mileage covered by a
Delhi Transport Corporation bus daily along
with the time taken; and

(c) the average cost of repairs per bus
during a year separately, for the first
second, third and so on year of its acquisi-
tion ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) Ninety-eight buses of

the Delhi Transport Corporation were held
up for lepairs at its Central Workshop and
Depots as on 16-8-1972. The average life
of a bus in this Corporation has so far been
twelve years.

(b) The average daily mileage covered
by a bus of the Corporation is 178 Kilo
meters for an operational period of 13-1/2
hours, on an average per day.

(c) The average annual cost of main-
tenance of a bus in the Delhi Transport
Corporation, during the first three years of
its life, is Rs. 13,621/-.

Admission to Pre- Medical Courses in Delhi
University

2855. SHRI FATES1NGHRAO
GAEKWAD : Will the Minister of
EDUCATION & SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether no student with less than
68 per cent marks in School-Leaving Exami-
nation has been admitted to the per- Medical
course in the University of Delhi this year;
and

(b) if so, the total number of First
Divisioners who could not get admission to
the pre-Medical course in Delhi University 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HaSAN): (a) and (b).
According to the information furnished by

97 Written Answers

SRAVANA 30, 1394 (SAKA Written Answers 93

the itoiversity of Delhi there are 486 candi-
dates obtaining 67% and below marks but
above 60% marks who could not be
admitted to the Pre-Medical Course.

Admission in Medical College of Delhi

2856. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI ;
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether only 350 of the 500
eligible students in Delhi have been admitted
to the Medical Colleges this year;

(b) whether the parents of the students
who were denied admission have submitted
a memorandum to the Government in this
connection; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) :

(a) to (c). More than 475 of the eligible
students of Delhi have been admitted to the
medical colleges this year. This includes
50 students admitted to Meerut Medical
College. Some more of the eligible students
of Delhi have secured admission in medical
colleges outside Delhi on the basis of open
competition. Their exact number is not
yet known.

2. Several Memoranda were received
by the Government from Delhi
Parents Association on behalt of
the students who had passed the
Pre-Medical Examination of Delhi
University in the First Division.
Factual position was explained to
the representatives of the students
both through interview and through
official communication. A Press
statement was also issued by
Government explaining the posi-
tion to the public and all concer-
ned. The Health Minister also
• addressed a Press Conferenee in
this connection. The Memoranda
had demanded, among other things
increase of seats in the Maulana
Azad Medical College, Lady
Hardinge ^ Medical College,

University Medical College
and All India Institute of Medical
Sciences, New Delhi, exclusively
for Delhi University Pre-Medical
First Divisioners besides arranging
seats for them in medical colleges
in the neighbouring States, and at
the Post-graduate Institute of
Medical Education and Research,
Chandigarh. They also demanded
the setting up of another medical
college around Delhi for these
students this year.

3. All possible avenues were explored
for facilitating the admission of as
many of the eligible students of
Delhi as possible in medical
colleges. It was, however, not
found desirable or feasible to in-
crease seats at any of the medical
institutions in Delhi without
diluting the standard of medical
education. 40 seats were increased
at Maulana Azad Medical College
and 30 at Lady Hardinge College
for Delhi students as recently as
in 1970. The University Medical
College could admit 100 students
this year according to its rated
annual capacity without affecting
standards. Demand of the par-
ents and students to increase this
to 125 seats could not be agreed
to without compromising the
quality of medical education
which is of a complex technical
character as opposed to general
education in a college or a univer-
sity. Moreover, the demand in
the memoranda to increase seats
exclusively for Delhi students at
the AH India Institute of Medical
Sciences, New Delhi and at the
, Post-graduate Institute of Medical
Education and Research, Chandi-
garh also could not be accepted in
view of the fact that these are
institutes of national importance,
with an all-India character, being
financed entirely by funds of the
Government of India and reserva-
tion of seats their exclusively for
students of a particular university
would run counter to the letter and
spirit of the Acts of Parliament
‘constituting them. Moreover,
these are Institutes meant prima-

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Written Answers 100

rily for reseafttb and postgradute
teaching. Anj digression of their
attention to the under-graduate
aspect of medical education would
defeat their baaic objective.

4. As demanded jn the Memoranda,
possibilites of arranging ' seats for
eligible students of Delhi in medi-
cal colleges in the neighbouring
States were explored. Besides
arranging 50 seats for them at
Meerut medical college on the
basis of a bilateral arrangement
between the Government of India
and the Government of Uttar
Pradesh, these efforts generally did
not yield and further results.

5. To the suggestion of the parents
and the students that another medi-
cal college be opened around Delhi
this year, they have been informed
that it is not possible to open yet
another medical college in or
around Delhi because its seat,
population ratio is 1 16,500 which
is nearly three times more advan-
tageous than the national ratio of
1: 45,000. Moreover, one medical
college was opened in Delhi only
last year even though it was not
originally ear-marked for this
Union Territory in the Fonrth
Plan distribution of medical
colleges.

6. At present there are 292 seats
exclusively reserved for Delhi
University students at the Medical
Colleges in Delhi and at Meerut.
Besides there are 188 other seats
at the four medical institutions in
Delhi which are filled up either by
open cempetitioji or by candidates
of Scheduled Castes/ Tribes. Delhi
students arc entitled to complete
for these seals and try their chance.
Moreover, they can also seek ad-
mission to some medical colleges
outside Delhi where some seats are
filled on the basis or open competi-
tion, Delhi is thus already more than,
well-served in the matter of under-
graduate medical educational
facilities.

I, The number of admissions to the
pre-medical course of Delhi Univer-

sity has been Increasing steadily
during the last three year. Corre-
spondingly the number of first
divisioners has risen from 340 in
1970 to 46 5 in 1971 to 580 in 1972,
/. e. an annua] increase of 125 and
115 duiing the two sessions. At
this rate, a medical college will
have to be opened in Delhi every
year to absorb the additional first
divisioners. Obviously, that is
neither possible nor desirable in
the broader national interest.

Central Assistance for Drought conditions
in Bihar

2857. SHRI RAM SHEKHAk
PRASAD SINGH : Will the Minister t f
AGRICULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Centre has decided to help
the drought-affected State of Bibar ;

(b) if so, what is the total demand
made by them ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) to (c) At
the request of the State Government, a
Central team visited Bihar recently to assess
the drought situation and to recommend
ceilings of expenditure on drought relief
measures for the purpose of central finan-
cial assistance. The total estimated require-
ments of the State Government are
Rs. 38 86 crorcs. The team’s recommenda-
tions are expected shortly, and central
financial assistance will be given in the
light of the recommendations.

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Llgislation conferring ownership rights

on farmers fin possession of house sites

2864. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN :

SHRl M. C. DAGA :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state ;

(a) whether Government have decided
to bring forward a legislation conferring
ownership rights on the farmers already in
possession of house sites ; and

(b) if so, the outcome in this regard
and the names of the States which have
already decided to do so ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b).
According to the Scheme for Provision of
House-sites to Landless Workers in Rural
Areas, the State Governments and Adminis-
trations of Union Territories are expected
to take urgent action to enact suitable
legislation (where this has not already been
done) conferring home-stead rights on land-
less workers in rural areas in respect of
sites on which their houses/huts stand at
present. According to the information
available with the Ministry of Works and
Housing, the States of Bihar, Gujarat,
Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Maha-
rashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Punjab, Tamil
Nadu, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal have
already taken necessary legislative measures
in this regard in one form or the other. The
Government of Andhra Pradesh have also
decided to under a ke necessary legislation
for the purpose.

Setting up of a Road Board

2865. SHRI G, Y. KRISHNAN :
SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether it is a fact that the demand
for a Road Board on the lines of Railway
Board with an independent Budget of its
own was revived in National Conference of
Ministers on 9th July, 1972 ; and

(b) If so, the reaction of Government
thereof.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) and (b) The Members
are presumably referring to the meeting of
the Council of Indian Roads Congress held
at Nainital on the 9th July, 1972, where the
need for the setting up of a Road Board at
the Centre was emphasised by its President.
The proposal is under consideration.

Universities having not constituted courts
and academic councils

2866. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR. Will the Minister of
EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there are some Universities
which have not constituted their Courts and
Academic Councils so far ;

(b) if so, their number and names ; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
Information is available in respect of 83
out of 87 Universities. According to this
information all Universities except Agri-
cultural Universities and M. S. University
of Baroda has Courts or Senates and
Academic Councils. The M. S. Uuiversity
of Baroda has a Court and a Council of
Post-Graduate Studies. All Agricultural
Universities, except Kerala Agricultural
University (Trichur) have Boards of
Management and Academic Councils. The
Kerala Agricultural University has a Gene-
ral Council and an Academic Council.

(c) The different authorities of the
Universittes are constituted in accordance
with their respective Acts. The University

107

Written Answer^

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers 108

Grants Commission has forwarded to all
the Universities copies of the Gajendra-
gadkar Committee’s report on governance
of Universities.

Shifting of Indian Insfifnte of Advance
Studies from Simla

2867. PROF. NARA1N CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU-
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to state ;

(a) whether a decision has been taken
to shift the Indian Institute for Advance
Study from Simla;

(b) if so, the reasons for this decision;

(d) the likely date by which it is pro-
posed to shift the Institute 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No

such proposal is under consideration.

(b) to (d). Do not arise.

Voluntary Organisation for Adult
Literacy Work Receiving Financial
Assistance

2868. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU-
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of voluntary organisa-
tions which received financial assistance
from Government for adult literacy work in
1971-72;

(b) their names and permanent add-
resses; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) (a) to (c). A statement is laid
on the Table of the House. [ Placed in
Library. See No. LT- 3454/72 ]

Decision taken «t meeting of Central
Advisory Board of Education

2869. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU-
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to stste :

(a) the number of meeting held by the
Central Advisory Board of Education during
the last two years;

(b) the decisions arrived at these meet-
ings; and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) None,
However, the next meeting has been fixed
for 18-19 September, 1972.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

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Establishment of Soyabean Processing
Plant by F.C.I.

2872. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether to ensure a good market
for soyabean, processing facilities are being
developed;

(b) if so, which State has the largest
acreage under soyabean cultivation;

(d) if so, the break-up of the plants
State -wise ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Maharashtra had the largest
acreage under soyabean cultivation during
1971-72.

(c) Yes, one plant of 100/250 tonnes
per day capacity is being established by
the Food Corporation of India with the
assistance of UNICEF.

(d) Only one plant is being set up at
Faridabad iq Haryana State.

Multiple Pilot Projects during the
Fourth Five Year Plan

2873. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state ;

(a) whether to increase production in
the Fourth Plan 9 million hectares of addi-
tional area are to be brought up under
food through multiple cropping efforts; and

Ill

Written A$wers AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers

(b) if so, the balance of the target in
the 4th year of the Plan, t

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDEj (a) Yes. As
a result of multiple cropping efforts it will
be possible to increase production during
the Fourth Plan in 9 million hectares of
additional area not only under food cro^s
but also under cash crops like oilseeds,
fibres, sugarcane, vegetables, fruits and
fodder etc.

(b) The balance of the additional tnrget
of 31 million tonnes of foodgrams under
the Fourth Plan will be achieved through
the High Yielding Varieties, Minor Irriga-
tion, Land Development and Plant Protec-
tion Programmes etc.

Environmental Improvement in Slum
Areas of Madras City

2874. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI :
SHRI S A. MURUGANA-
NTHAM :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Govern-
ment' has informed the Union Government
that Rs. 84 lakhs will be required for en-
vironmental improvement in the slum areas
of Madras City;

(b) if so, whether Union Government
has sanctioned only Rs. 2 1 lakhs; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) (a) to (c) :
Under the new Central scheme for environ-
mental improvement of slums, an allocation
of Rs. 2.50 crores has been earmarked for
Madras, as the ceiling for 100% Central
grant for slum improvement projects in that
city during the current financial year. Pro-
jects worth Rs. 84 lakhs approximately have
already been approved and out of that
amount a sum of Rs. 21 lakhs has been
released as first instalment of grant; the

112

balance nmount will be released according
to the progress of implementation of gpp-
roved projects.

Some more slum improvement projects
have been received from the State Govern-
ment and approval for projocts costing
Rs. 58 lakhs are under consideration.

Shifting of Government Offices out of
Delhi

2875, SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH:

DR. LAXMLNARAYAN PANDEYA:

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state ;

(a) whether the Secretaries' Committee
has decided that a number of offices of the
Government of India should be shifted
out of Delhi to relieve the increasing con-
jestion;

(b) if so, the number of offices proposed
to be shifted along with the number of
officers and staff;

(c) whether the process of shifting has
been started, if so, the number of offices
shifted so far and whether certain Ministries
are resisting the proposal, and

(d) if so, the final decision in the
matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) 13. Information about the number
of officers and staff is being collected and
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha.

(c) and (d). So far none of the offices
has shifted and certain Ministries have rep-
resented against the proposals for shifting.
The representations are under consideration.

Discountinuance of Supply of Milk by
L) M.S. for ceremonial occasions
through its Depots

2876. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHAU :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

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SR A VAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 114

(a) whether Delhi Milk Scheme has
lately discontinued the supply in bottles of
milk for mirriage and other cerenonial
occasions through the Depots;

(b) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme
authorities insist on the supply of milk in
cans of 40 litres capacity or in multiples of
40 litres only;

(c) whether any complaints regarding
adulteration of milk supplied in such cans to
the various buyers have been 4 received and
if so v the nature thereof and the action taken
in the matter; and

(d) whether the supply of milk in such
cans in bulk quantity has caused consider-
able inconvenience to the public and if so,
the action Government propose to take to
restore the earlier practice of supply to milk
according to the individual requirements ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE
(PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes.

(b) Yes.

(d) The entire plant capacity of D M.S.
is being utilised at present to meet the daily
requirements of bottled milk of the regular
token holders. As such, D.M S. can now
meet special casual requirements of milk on
the occasion of marriages etc. generally
through supplies in Milk cans, in view of
the substantial demand for milk on such
occasions, this mode of supply is, by and
large considered suitable. The position c in
be reviewed after the bottling capacity of
the Plant is expanded.

Deputation ists working in Delhi Milk
Scheme

2877. SHRI 1SHAQUE SAMBHALI :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the nomenclature of posts against
which deputationists are working in the
Delhi Milk Scheme and the period since
when and their tenure ;

(b) whether any representations had
been nwJe by tbp Staff Unions regarding

the reversions of such deputationists and
creating a cadre of Officers from D. M.S.
itself ;

(d) whether any fresh deputationists
are being brought to replace the Delhi Milk
Scheme Officers officiating against Class II
and Class 1 Posts and if so, the reasons
therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The requisite informa-
tion is given in the statement laid on the
Table of the House. [ Placed in Library . See
No. LT — 3455/72].

(b) Yes.

(c) The Delhi Milk Scheme Employees
Union have been suggesting that deputa-
tionists may be reverted to their parent
cadres/offices and, as far as possible, efforts
should be made to fill up posts in tne
D. M. S. from among the staff regularly
working in the organisation. It is the
general policy of the Govt, to reduce ins-
tances of deputation of officers from outside
cadres/offices to the D. M. S. and, m
pursuance of this policy, efforts are being
made to build up the various cadres of the
D. M. S. on a self-sufficient basis. How-
ever, for want of suitably qualified and
experienced personnel within the organisa-
tion, some posts have still to be filled by
deputationists. As and when qualified per-
sonnel of the D. M. S imbide the requisite
experience, the possibility of reducing the
number of deputationists will be explored.
The relevant Reciuitment Rules are being
reviewed with this objective, in view also.

(d) Only one Class I post which was
held by j D M. S. Officer on ad-hoc basis
is now proposed to be filled by deputation
of a suitable officer in accordance with the
relevant Recruitment Rules.

Conference of State Minister* in charge
of welfare of backward classes

2878. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI :

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI J

Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased *o
state ;

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AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers 116

(a) whether the Conference of Ministers
in charge of Welfare of backward Classes
and Social Welfare held recently in New
Delhi has recommended a new strategy for
Tribal development ;

(b) if so, the main points of the new
strategy suggested by the Conference ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. A new strategy
for tribal development was suggested in the
conference.

(b) The main points of the new strategy
are as under : —

1. Protective legislation should be
enacted and enforced strictly for
the Scheduled Tribes living inside
or outside the Scheduled Areas.

2. Special schemes should be devised

and existing schemes modified to

cater to the needs of the most
backward and neglected tribal
commities.

3. The programme of Tribal Deve-
to cover all areas having at least

lopment Block should be expanded
80% tribal population and funds
should also be provided to cover
pockets of tr>bal concentration
remaining outside the Tribal

Development Blocks.

4. The allotment for Tribal Develop-
ment Blocks and tribal pockets
may be increased* for accelerated
development.

5. For enlarging the activities of

apex Co-op. corporations, finan-
cing agencies should finance loans.

6. Procedure may be devised to

ensure that benefits flow from
general sector to the Scheduled
Tribes, paiticularly for drinkmj
water, communications, health,
agriculture, animal husbandry and

cottage industries etc. Efforts
should be made to collect data
constantly about the actual benefits
derived by the Scheduled Tribes
from these pragrammes.

7. Schemes of rehabilitation of tribal
people displaced as a result of
major projects should be integral
parts of projects themselves and
should include programmes for
education, training and equipment
of the displaced people.

Employees on deputation to F.C.I.

From West Bengal

2879. SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether 5,000 employees are on
deputation to Food Corporation of India
from the West Bengal Government; and

(b) if so, the reason why they should
not be absorbed by the Food Corporation
of India as its regular employees ?

THE MINfSTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHIND3) ; (a) Yos,
Sir About 5,000 employees from the
West Bengal Government are on deputation
with the Food Corporation of India

(b) : These employees were taken on
deputation from the West Bengal Govern-
ment in 1966 in accordance with an agree-
ment entered into between the State Govern-
ment and the Corporation regarding the
transfer of work (procurement, shortage
and distribution of foodgrains, in the State
to Corporation. The agreement inter aha
provides that either party can terminate it
by giving one crop year’s notice. Since
the West Bengal Government have not yet
decided to permanently transfer the work
to the Corporation, the question of perma-
nent absorption of the employees by the
Corporation does not $ri$e at present.

117

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 118

Fare Meters in Three Wheeler Scooters
In Delhi

2880. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) Whether the three-wheeler scooters
plying in Delhi do not have proper meters
to indicate the exact fare in accordance
with the latest rates;

(b) whether it is not obligatory under
the law to fix proper meters indicating the
latest fare as is the case with taxies; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) Out of 14,275 rickshaws
(including motor cycle rickshaws) in Delhi
as on the 31st July, 1972, 7969 were not
fitted with approved fare meters.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) The drivers of three wheeler scooter
richshaws, which are not fitted with app-
roved fare meters, are required to display
a conversion chart in the vehicles for the
guidance of the passengers. In view of the
present non-availability of approved types of
fare meters in adequate numbers, the ques-
tion of drawing up a phased programme
for the replacement of the existing meters,
fitted to scooter-rickshaws, which are not
capable of being recalibrated, is under the
consideration of the Delhi Administration.

Recommendation made by Committee
on Working of Museums

SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Minister of EDUCATION AND
WELFARE be pleased to state !

(a) The principal recommendations
made by the Committee set up under the
Chairmanship of Dr. Moti Chandra to
examine the wprfc of the Museums in the
country;

(b) the recommendations of Randhawa
Committee that went into the working of
the three Central Museums and the Museums
under the Archaeological Survey of India,
which are being implemented;

.(c) the recommendations which have
financial and administrative implications;
and

(d) how long Government propose to
take for implementing them ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) A statement giving the prin-
cipal recommendations made by the Commit-
tee under the Chairmanship of Dr. Moti
Chandra to examine the work of the
Museums in the conntry was placed on the
table of the Lok Sabha in reply to part (b)
of Starred Question No. 17 by Shri Nuggc-
halh Shivappa on 15.11.1971.

(b) A statement giving the recommenda-
tions of Randhawa Committee which have
been implemented or are being implemented
is laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed
in Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 ]

(c) A statement giving the recommenda-
tions of Dr Moti Chandra Committee and
Dr. Randhawa Committee, which have
financial and administrative implications is
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in
Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 J

(d! The implementation of the re.
commendations mentioned in part (c) of
the question will depend on the availability
of necessary financial and administrative
resources in the Centre as well as in the
States. .There are. various agencies and
authorities responsible for implementing
these recommendations.

Grants to Public Libraries

2882. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) The break-up of Rs. 3 lakhs given
as grants to the various Public Libraries in
the country during 1971-72 ;

11 $

Written Answer*

AUGUST 21, 1972

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120

(b) the number of cases recommended
by the State Governments and Union Terri-
tories during this year for 1 giving financial
aid;

(d) if so, when these pending cases will
be disposed of and the amount of grams
likely to be given to them ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA*
SWAMY) (a) Grams totalling

Rs. 4,12,980/- were paid to the various Pub-
lic Libraries in the country during 1971-72
under the scheme of financial assistance to
Voluntary Educational Organisations work-
ing in the field of Public Libraries. A
statement giving the break-up of this amount
is laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed
in Library Sec. No. LT-3457/72 ]

(b) 43 applications were re reived through
the State Governments/Union Territories
during 1971-72 for giving financial aid
under the said scheme.

(c) and (d) Yes, Sir. These applications
were received after the expiry of the last
date and did not contain all the informa-
tion required under the Scheme. Accor-
dingly, these pending applications will now
be considered during 1972-73 alongwith the
other fresh applications received' or to be
received for assistance under the scheme
through the State Governments/Union
Territories for the current financial year.
The grants to be given in each of the pend-
ing cases a6 well as to the new applicants
will be decided by the Deptt. of Culture on
the recommendations , of an advisory
Committee set up in the Deptt. for this pur-
pose keeping in view the total amount of
Rs. 3 lakhs available under the scheme for
the current financial year.

Declaration of T.M.S.S Mahal Library,
Thanjavur as Institution of National
Importance

2883. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased I q state;

(a) the reasons for deferring the pro-
posal of formally declaring the T.M.S.S
Mahal library, Thanjavur as an institution
of national importance; and

(b) the manner in which Government
propose to assist the library financially ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (k) The Government of Tamil

Nadu has not agreed to the proposal of the
Central Government that the constitution of
the Board of Management of the T.M.S.S.
Mahal library, Thanjavur, when declared
and financially assisted as an institution of
national importance, should be on the same
lines as that of the Khuda Bakhsh Oriential
Public library Board, Patna.

(b) The matter is under consideration.

Use of Opium in Delhi University

2884. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : »

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM

KARODK.AR:

Will (he Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints regarding the use of opium in
the University and Colleges of Delhi;

(b) whether some foreigners have been
found taking interest in supplying narcotics
free of cost in schools and colleges in order
to spoil the character and mind of our
youth, and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord-
ito the information furnished by the Univer-
sity of Delhi, no case involving students in
the use of opium in the University Campus
and its colleges has come to the notice of
the University,

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (5^^)

Written Answers 122

(b) No such report has been received
by the University authorities.

( c ) Does not arise.

Passenger Shipping Service between
India and Mauritias and other
Countries

2885. SHRI DHARAMARAO

AFZALPURKAR : Will the Minister of
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased
to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal
under the consideration of Government to
start a passenger shipping service between
India and Mauritius and oiher countries in
order to facilitate Indians and other natio-
nals living in those countries; and

(b) if so, the bioad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIA-
MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ
BAHADUR) : (a) Indian Shipping Lines

at present operate passenger shipping service
to West Asia Gulf Ports, East Africa and
Malaysia/Singapore and Talaimannar
(Ceylon). At present there are no pro-
posals, under consideration of Government
for running services to any other country.

(b) Does not arise.

Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories in
Madhya Pradesh

2886. SHRI RANABAHADUR
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state ;

(a) the number of Mobile Soil Testing
Laboratories functioning at present in the
State of Madhya Pradesh, District-wise;

(b) whether the State of Madhya
Pradesh has approached Central Govern-
ment to approve more Mobile Soil Testing
Laboratories in the State; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) T,vo

Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories are func-
tioning in the State. Normally, the vans
are not earmarked for any singal district,
but are sent to different districts from time
to time, according to need.

(b) and (c). No such request has been
received for more vans. Supply of one
more van is under consideration of Govern-
ment.

Openning of Trible Blocks sanctioned
in Stales

2887. SHRI RANABAHADUR
SINGH: Will the Minister of EDUCA-
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of Tribal Development
Blocks sanctioned for different States have
not been opened due to shortage of funds;
and

(b) the steps so far taken to provide
extra finances for ihe opening of Tribal
Blocks in States ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). There is no such

case where a Tribal Development Block
fnlfilling the approved criteria has not been
opened due to shortage of funds. The
criteria prescribed for the opening of the
Tribal Development Blocks are: —

(i) An area nf 150-200 sq. miles,
(u) A total population of 25000.

(iii) A tribal concentration of 66|-%

(iv) Viability to function as a
normal administrative unit.

All the Tribal Development Blocks sanc-
tioned on the basis of the above criteria are
functioning.

Reservation for Minorities in Educational
Institutions

2888. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

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Written Answers 124

(a) whether there lire some reservations
for the minorities in public and private edu-
cational institutions in some States for
admissions and also for appointment of
teachers; and

(b) if so, the names of States where
such practice prevails and reasons therefor 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). The information
is being collected and will be laid on the
Table of the House, when received.

Use of LSD by University Students

2889. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the use of LSD by university students on
large scale in the country ; and

(b) if so, the steps proposed to be
taken to prevent such misuse ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No

report has been received regarding the large
scale use of LSD by university students.

(b) It is proposed to ban the import
LSD, except for bonafidc sceintific purposes,
under the Customs Act 1962. A brochure
entitled "BEWARE OF DRUG ADDIC-
TION” has been prepared for use of the
general public including the student commu-
nity.

Seminar on Aligrah Muslim University

2890. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a seminar on Aligarh
Muslim University Act was held in the
second week of July, 1972; and

(b) if so, the recommendations of the
seminar and the names of sponsoring bodies
or persons 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
A Seminar on the Aligarh Muslim Univer-
sity (Amendment) Act, 1972 was organised
by the Press Information Bureau at Delhi on
July 14 and 15, 1972. The consensus evolved
ai the Seminar is given in the statement laid
on the Table of the House [Placed in
Libarary . See No. LT-3458/72]

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wfawj few

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wfa TWH V?qi«T qf SRlfa *t fRT
iPVT fa :

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fa tfk ufagfa faun
itft atarar a* fwfcra f> arfaat
?rfa 3TT <n; £RT faafat

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fa qraaqia srfa JrfasRr-aar irerc ft
fa 5R : C» 3Tfaq>eT*T arafaq? f«R>F^T ft
rfa ?

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a*n 14 qq aq? % urra % qr> 1980-
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w % 4taar arrata aar Tr®a

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 12 6

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sw H sts-sts jjSTcs* *jsr ^ fs<j
st jftsprnj #sr stt 1 1

srssf 3 3fcrsn¥ % fs3 ffjr

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s3 vrsf 3wsm

2892 . «3 $ss?s *tst : ssr tffs
SSt S| SSt 3 f'Tr 3 fo :

(^) ST.S ^Fhs % 3pcPTcT fo3 ^TT-
t| wsf % $tt ?13 <r ss^ft 3 «?sts
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srftass* aft | afti gft s<rst q ?3 3
*Rii ff sh srs 3rrf? aft tft
st*s<t aft rramr, aar s a arm-

’na ar s?epfo %»aara qR3 % her
farar si a%ar ?

<pfa aanaa 3 aat(at. stfs?):
(a?) srs Ttaair aft cafaa ataar %
staph ssr aft sr3 aiat aftaafaraf %
T^-T^ra aft arya fa*aarTt tr<t aa-
arrat aft | i fa aarR qft afraiafeta'i #
ttjt-ws ^ ha fs*3?R sf*rcRS %
aaa 3 src3a> a fhrfs sss-sss

aafa, aiaima., w-tsts aft fs^r-
arft at at aaraat tis faaaat at fa dr-
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(ar) aia TtaaR aft taha ataar %
sraraa ss<rfs 33 aft aa? ss s? | far
ahataarat % £ ft3 as; ?s % tosbiw
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sFRTfar 33 saa as ars at starts: farar
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tRaat % sfwrfaa ?t3 art aaa s^t sott

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3 fam aaaa^r ata atat srcprr, at sria:
fas snata % faaRta tst stst 1 1

trsrcam % aist fa 3 3 amftasr

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2893 . «ft arm : aar ffa
sat a| asr 3 aft far arta h :

(ar) 1 sas, 1971 3 31 sts,
1972 sar trafars % atat fsr 3 3 srjet
ariaars % spaas aar-aat arts sris
fp 3 a 3 ;

(a) fara-fam htm % ass fasr-fasr
aa| at farsat-farsst aras 3 far 3 s 3 ;

(a) safrt aar srsat >ft s^atf
at farsst astrfa as aft af; stt

(a) aar 3 as astf tsrst stftssf %
sa 3 st 3 sms?

l?fs ssias 3 tias sst (at* sir
fa?) : (ar) 3 (s). tms atarrt 3 ^asr
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Machainsed Brick Plants run by NBCC

2894. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to s'tale :

(a) whether the mechanised brick
plants run by the National Building Cons-
truction corporation at various places are
utilising only 30 per cent of their rated
capacity ;

(b) whether the low utilisation of these
plants ia due to some defects in the original
design and alignment of the drying chambers
and if so, whether all the plants Suffer
from indentical defects; and

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(c) whether a technical committee has
suggested certain changes ia the plants to
improve production and if so, the steps
taken to implement the suggestions of the
Committee ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HELTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRR
OF WORKR AND HOUSING (PROF. D P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, The

National Buildings Construction Corporation
has set up only one mechanised brick
plant. It is at Suhanpur tn Delhi. It is
working one line single shift and producing
only 14.7 per cent of what it is rated to
produce working double line double shift.

(b) The mam causes for inefficient
working of the dryers are (a) inadequate
provision of fans and burners (b) lack of
instrumentation-temperature and humidity
control (c) defective design of the combus-
tion chamber (d) lack of standardisation of
the drying process.

Scheme for Food distribution by CARE for
School Children in Stales

2895. SHR1 N. K. SANGHI : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to stale :

(a) whether CARE is distributing food
to school children in different States m the
country; and

(b) if so, the details of the distribution
scheme ?

THE DUPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATiON AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Yes Sir.

(b) Under the Indo-CARE Agreement
of 1950, a Mid-day Meals Programme for
' school children is being implemented in the
.State Sector by the State Governments of
1 Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat Haryana, Kerala,
: f Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Mysore,
Orissa, Punjab* Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu,
tv Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal and the Union
' Territory of Pondicherry, CARE supplies

the food commoditiods (cornflour, bulgar
wheat, rolled wheat, milk powder, corn,
soyaboan, C.S.M., Salad Oil and Milk
Broad) free of charge at the Indian ports
to the State/Union Territory Governments.
The States/Union Torritory Governments
bear the clearance and other administrative
charges for the distribution of the food to
the children and also the CARE cost in
New York on the packing and labelling of
the consignments before shipment and in
India on the pay and allowances of the
Indian peisonnel and the maintenance of
the CARE office* at the State capitals
under an Ameiican Administrator. Accor-
ding to the CARE estimates, the States/
Union Territory Governments propose to
cover a total number of 110.19 lakh children
during the year 1972-73 as per details given
in the attached statement.

Statement

ANNEXURE

SI. No. States Beneficiaries during

1 972-73

Andhra Pradesh

10,42,174

Gujarat

3,65,000

Haryana

3,27,000

Kerala

17,86,000

Maharashtra

2’00,000

Madhya Pradesh

6,40,000

Mysore

12,75,000

Orissa

7.46,000

Panjab

3 85,000

10.

Rajasthan

4.00,000

11.

Uttar Fradesh

10,83.000

12.

Tamil Nadu

15,00,000

13.

West Bengal

11,30,000

Union Territory

14.

Pondicherry

39,500

Total :

110,18,674

C G. H. S. Dinspensaries in and outside
Delhi

2896. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state ;

(a) the number of C. G. H. S. dispen-
saries in and outside Delhi with their
locations ;

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Written Answers 130

(b) whether cheap and sub-standard
medicines are supplied by local manufac-
turers to the dispensaries ;

(c) whether in the past, sub-standard
quality of medicines was detected by the
authorities and even then orders were
placed with the same manufacturers ; and

(d) if so, the steps being taken to im-
prove upon the quality of the medicines
supplied to the dispensaries by the
manufacturers ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AHD FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF
D. P CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The
requisite information is given in the State-
ment laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in library. See No. LT— 3459/72].

(b) No, Sir. The medicines are pur-
chased at competitive rates, keeping in view
the quality of medicines from the firms
which are approved by Directorate General
of Supplies and Disposals High Power Com-
mittee who have an elaborate quality control
system. The medicines received at the
CGHS Medical Store Depot are also fre-
quently sent for chemical analysis to the
Central Drugs Laboratories at Calcutta and
Ghaziabad.

(d) Does not arise. It may, however,
be stated that in cases of doubt, if any, the
Drugs Controller (India) as well as Drugs
Controller of the concerned State is
informed immediately for appropriate
action.

Raising the limit for Grant of House
Building Loans

2897. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to reier to the provisions of item
(b) of para 3.7 of the Ministry's Annual
Report, 1971-72 and state :

(a) whether Government have consi-
dered the desirability of raising the limit
for grant of loans to Government e nployees
to 75 months’ pay or Rs. one lakh, which-

ever is less instcid of 60 months, pay or
Rs. 50,000 as at present in view of the
steep rise m prices of construction materials ;
and

(b) if so, when the decision in this
regard will be taken ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING <PROF.

D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
The matter is under consideration.

Facili y of Drinking Water and House Sites
to Agricultural Workers

2898. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have taken a
decision to celebrate the twentyfifth year of
our independence by providing drinking
water facility to all the villages and house
sites to all agricultural workers ; and

(b) if so, the broad details of the
schemes being adopted together with the
State-wise targets to be fulfilled in this
regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and
(b). No. Sir. There is a proposal to select
one Jayanti Village in each block for all-
round development including improvements
in water supply and housing, during the
Silver Jubilee year of Independence. The
scheme that has been introduced by the
Ministry of’Wotks and Housing for assis-
tance to Slates for giving free house-sites to
rural landless workers is not, however, con-
fined to Jayanti Villages. Proposals from
State Governments complying with the
requirements of the scheme may be sent by
the State Governments for different areas in
each State as and when they are ready.

Implementation of Revised Pay Scales of
Delni School Teachers

2899. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND

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SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to
the reply given to Unstarred Question No.
7768 on 29th May, 1972 regarding the imp-
lementation of revised pay-scales of Delhi
School Teachers and state :

(a) whether the revised pay-scales of
Delhi School Teachers (Primary, Middle
and Higher Secondary) as approved and
sanctioned by the Government of India
with effect from the 27th May, 1970 and
announced on the 5th September, 1971 have
since been implemsnted and payment have
been made with arrears ;

(b) if so, whether the selection Grade
which is a part of the revised pay-scales for
senior teachers has also been implemented ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) The revised pay scales,
except in the selection grade, have been
implemented. The arrears have been paid
in some cases and the remaining cases will
be covered as early as possible.

(b) and (c). The Government is consi-
dering the detailed rules for implementing
the selection grades in so far as Delhi
Administration teachers are concerned. The
Cantonment Board has, however, imple-
mented the selection grades.

Water Supply in New Moti Nagar
New Delhi

2900. SHRI P. NARASIMHA
REDDY : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether in spite of the installation
of the booster pumps in New Moti Nagar
area, New Delhi water does not reach
during summer season (1972) in the first
floor of ‘B* block from morning to evening ;

(b) whether water is not available in
some quarters in *B* block (first floor) upto
now ;

(c) whether recently an officer of the
Water Supply Department visited the area
and enquired the position of water and
whether the ground floor quarters are now
getting water for the whole day ;

(d) whether the residents of these
quarters are entitled for direct connection
and if so, the procedure thereof ; and

(e) the steps taken by Government to
remove this difficulty of the basic need
faced by the residents of New Moti Nagar,
New Delhi (First Floor) in *B* block for the
last several years 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
During summer, water on the first floor is
available only m the early hours of the
morning.

(d) Yes. Separate connections can be
given by the Slum Department of the Muni-
cipal Corporation of Delhi by changing
internal fittings.

(e) A Booster Pumping Station has been
installed for boosting the pressure in the
area. Although the pressure at the Pump-
ing Station has increased, corresponding
increase in pressure in 4 B* block has not
taken place. The matter is being looked
into by the Delhi Water Supply and Sewage
Disposal Undertaking.

Scheme for Employment of Families of

Farmers and Landless Peasants in
Gujarat

2901. SHRI V. MAY AVAN :

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Gujarat Government
has prepared a scheme by which 6,000
families of farmers and landless peasants
will be able to earn Rs. 1000 every year ;

(b) if so, the main features of the

scheme ;

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(c) whether the Union Government has
asked other State Government to prepare
inch scheme for the benefit of farmers ; and

(d) if so, the number of States who
have agreed to implement such schemes ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such
scheme has been received from the Gujarat
State Government.

(b) to (d). Does not arise.

Implementation of Recommendations

made by Sub-Committee on computerisa-
tion of Tabulation of Educational
Statistics

2902. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the three recommendations
made by the Sub-Committee on Compute-
risation of Tabulation of Educational
Statistics have been implemented; and

(b) if not, the reasons for the delay 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Proposals from Delhi Administra-
tion are awaited,

Implementation of Recommendations
made by Committee on Reorganisa-
tion of statistical Unit

2903. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the reoommendations made by the
Committee on the Re-organisation of the
Statistical Unit, barring the recommenda-
tion of creating additional posts which has
been implemented by the Ministry; and

(b) the action taken by the Ministry
on these other recommendations ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTRY OF THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) ; (a) and (b). Statements I and

II furnishing the information are laid on the
Table of the House. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT— 3460/72]

Utilization of services of Experts
From G • D. R»

2904. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state : how
the services of the expert, in the
field of work experience, obtained from the
German Democratic Republic in the middle
of January, 1971 were utilised by Govern-
ment in regard to the programmes of intro-
ducing work experience and vocationalisa-
tion of education in India ?

THE DFPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY): The expert from the German Demo-
cratic Republic was requested to prepare a
draft guidelines for introducation of work
experience and vocationalisation of edu-
cation in schools in selected Pilot Project
districts. He prepared the draft guidelines
in consultation with the N.C E.R.T , the
District Pilot Project Officers and the Mins-
stry of Education and Social Welfare,
Government of India. These have been
circulated amongst the Project Officers for
their guidance.

Project Report on deep sea fishing in
Kerala with Foreign Collaboration

2905. SHRIMATI BHARGAVl THA-
NKAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to rater to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 757 on
the 20th March, 1972 regarding the Project
report .for deep, sea fishing with foreign
collaboration from Kerala and state :

(a) whether any project report for
deep-sea fishing with foreign collaboration
has been submitted by Kerala Government;
and

(b) if Jo, the steps taken to accept it?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
A project report for deep sea fishing with

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foreign collaboration was received from the
Government of Kerala in April, 1971, but
the report did not indicate the natns of the
foreign collaborator.

A possibility which was taken up for
consideration in this connection was of
bringing the project within the purview of
Soviet aid. The policy relating to import
of fishing vessels was then under considera-
tion. It was decided in March, 1972, that
indigenous capacity should be fully utilized
and that the balance of vessels should be
imported from the U.S S.R. to the extent
of availability. An Agreement for co-
operation in the field of Marine and Inland
fisheries is being negotiated with the U S.S.
R. The feasibility of taking up the proposed
project under the terms of the Agreement
will be examined after the Agreement has
been concluded.

Land acquisition of estimates of bye-
passes and widening of Road on
National highways in Kerala

2906. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI
THANKAPPAN :

SHRI A. K. GOPALAN :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether all the land acquisition
estimates for the bye-pa«ses and widening
of roads on National Highways in Kerala
State have been sanctioned by the Govern-
ment of India;

(b) what are the pending est ; mates
with the Government of India and how
long they have been pending and when they
would be sanctioned by the Ministry;

(d) whether the question of sharing the
cost for bye-passes as requested by the
Government of Kerala would be settled
soon?

THE MINISER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND MINISTRY OF SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA) :
(a) to (c). Of the estimates relating to land

acquisition for bye-passes and widening
of roads on National Highways in Kerala,
fifty have been sanctioned, two are under
technical scrutiny and three are under
financial scrutiny. References to the State
Government have been made with a view
to obtain further information clarification in
respect of five estimates arising out of
technical scrutiny and three estimates arising
out of financial scrutiny

Out of the five pending with the Gov-
ernment of India, one has been pending
since December 1971, and four from May-
June 1972. The principal reasons for the
delay in sanctioning this small number of
estimates are that either alignment and
othar technical aspects are under considera-
tion in the light of the need to effect econo-
my in those costly proposals and or to
exclude, wherever possible, places of wor-
ship or religious institutions which may
present difficulty in acquisition.

It may be possible to complete the
technical scrutiny in a period of three
months after all the relevant information
concerning the estimates is available and
financial scrutiny, normally three months
thereafter.

(d) Under the National Highways Act
and rules framed thereunder, the full cost
of development of National Highways and
also the cost of construction of byepaises
lying outside the municipal areas are borne
by the Central Government. However,
where such bye-passes pass through muni-
cipal areas, according to the Central Gov-
ernment’s policy, the State Governments
are required to pay for acquiring the land
width needed for parallel service roads io
be constructed on either side of the National
Highway bye-passes for catering to local
traffic and also in due course construct the
same at their cost. The Government of
Kerala have, however, proposd that in the
case of snch byepasses passing through
municipal areas also, the Central Govern-
ment may, in addition, bear the cost of
land required for parallel service roads.
The Slate Government have been informed
that the prescribed policy being applicable
to the country as a whole, has to be applied
to the cases of bye-passes in Kerala State
as well. They have, therefore, been re-
quested to review the proposal again and
furnish certain essential data for unabling

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the Central Government to examine the
State Government's revised proposal fur-
ther.

Setting up of Branches of Hindustan

Housing Factory in Major Cities
and Towns

2907. SHRI HARI SINGH :

SHR1 D. P. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state \

(a) whether Government have any plan
to set up the new branches of the Hindus-
tan Housing factory in major cities and
towns of India :

(h) if so, when those new branches of
the Hindustan Housing Factory will be
started; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D P CHATTOPADHYARA): (a) to (c) .
An expert Committee on mc'hods of achiev-
ing economy in large scale construction of
low cost housing in the major cities, set up
by the Government of India in 1969
recommended the setting up of factories for
producing standardised building components
and prefabricated panels, wherever they
were justified by the volume of local build-
ing activity. All such factories need not be
set up by the Central Government or as
branches of the Hindustan Housing Fac-
tory. A proposal to set up a prefabricated
housing factory at Bombay with the parti-
cipation of the Government of Maharashtra
is under the consideration of the Hindustan
Housing Factory, Delhi.

Documents Missing from National
Archives

2908. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether most important documents
pertaining to the transfer of power from

Britain to India in 1947 are missing from
National Archives; and

(b) if so, how it happened and what
steps Government have proposed to recover
those documents ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a> No Sir.

(b) Question does not arise.

Anand Parbat Children's Home, New
Delhi

2909. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether four boys between the ages
of six and twelve years were thrown out of
the Anand Parbat Children’s Home, New
Delhi on the 21st June, 1972; and

(b) if so, the measures Government
propose to take to stop such dealing with
the children ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Scheme for replacement of Slums by
Small Utility Housing to Improve
Rural Housing Units

2910. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of WORKS
AND HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
consideration of Government to replace
slums by small utility housing and for imp-
roving rural housing and meeting the hous-
ing shortages of more than 8 lakh units,

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof;
and

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140

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c) .
At present, there is no proposal under the
consideration of the Government for replac-
ing slums in all cities and towns in the
country by small utility houses. A scheme
called the Slum Clearance/Improvement
Scheme was introduced in 1956 as a cen-
trally sponsored scheme. This scheme,
inter alia , envisages provision of small two-
roomed houses as an alternative accommo-
dation to *he slum dwellers The seheme
was transferred to the State Sector from the
beginning of the Fourth Five-Year Plan
and Central assistance for its implementa-
tion is now included in the block Central
assistance being given to the State Govern-
ments from year to year by the Ministry of
Finance, The State Governments are free
to determine the programmes to be executed
and the funds to be allocated for its imple-
mentation according to their own require-
ments and priorities. According to reports
received from State Governments and Union
Territories, upto May, 1972 approximately
84.000 tenements had been constructed
against 1,38.400 tenements sanctioned under
this Scheme.

In addition, the Government have re-
cently introduced a new scheme in the Cen-
tral Sector for Environmental Improvement
of Slums in eleven Metropolitan Cities
having a population of 8 lakhs or more.
A provision of Rs. 15 crores has been
made in the current financial year for its
implementation. Financial assistance
amounting to Rs. 6 crores approximately
has so far been sanctioned for 185 projects.

2. In order to assist the villagers in
the construction/improvement of their
houses, a scheme named the Village House-
mg Projects Scheme was introduced in
1957. Apart from providing longterm
loan assistance to the villagers for the cons-
truction/improvement of their houses, the
scheme contains provisions for gr.mt of
technical assistance to the prospective house
builders as also for provision of free house-
sites to landless agricultural workers. It
also provides for laying of streets and drains
in the villages in which the scheme is imple-
mented. This scheme is also, at present,

included in the State Sector and Central
assistance for its implementation forms part
of the block Central assistance given to
various States, le aving it to their discretion
to determine the amount of funds to be pro-
vided for its implementation. According to
information received from State Govern-
ments so far, out of about 80,100 houses
sanctioned for construction, 50,500 houses
have been completed under this Scheme.

In view of the urgent need to solve the
housing problem of landless workers in
rural areas, the Government of India have
recently introduced a new scheme in the
Central Sector for provision of free house-
sites to landless workers m rural areas. A
sum of Rs. 5 crores has been provided in
the current financial year for grant of
100% subsidy to the State Governments for
its implementation and out of this about
Rs. 4 crores have been sanctioned to five
States on the basis of projects received
from them.

Ban on quacks in the country

2911. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have any pro-
posal under consideration to put ban on
quacks in the country ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
Under sub- section (2) of section 15 of the
Indian Medical Council Act, 1956, registra-
tion of a medical practitioner on a State
Medical Register is compulsory before he
can practise medicine. Sub-section (3)
further provides that a person who acts in
contravention of this provision is liable to
be punished with imprisonment up to one
year or with fine up to one thousand rupees
or with both. This penal provision is suffi-
cient to put a check on the activities of the
quacks.

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Step for preservation of wild life stressed at

meeting of Southern Zinai Council held
at Hyderabad on 26th July, 1972

2912. SHRf NIHAR LASKAR : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether it has come to his know-
ledge that the Prime Minister stressed the
need for preservation of wild life during the
Southern Zonal Council meeting held at
Hyderabad on 26th July, 1972 ;

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A draft Bill for conservation of
Wild life in the country and to regulate
trade, movement and taxidermy in wild life
products has already been introduced in the
Lok Sabha. This Bill will initially be appli-
cable to such of the State which have
adopted resolutions under Article 252 (1) of
the Constitution and will become applicable
by adoption of simdar resolutions by other
States in future.

(c) A Task Force has almost Onalised
a Project for Conservation of tigers in the
selected aieas in the country. It is proposed
to launch the PiOjeet from 1st April, 1973,
initially to cover a period of 6 years.

Exper/rnents in Ladakh Regarding cold
weather vegetables and cultivation
ol treeless waste

2913. SHRI KUSHAK BAKULA :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state .

(a) whether Government proposed to
refer Ladakh to the Indian Council of Agri-
cultural Research (I. C. A. R.) experts for
carrying on experiments in cold weather
vegetables and cultivate the treeless wastes
and make them yield food ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINOE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

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Incentive to sugarcane growers

2917. SHRI JAGANNATH M1SHRA:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether bad crop and large scale
diversion of sugarcane to gur and khand-
sari units have affected sugar production
this year ; and

(b) if so, the incentive proposed for
sugarcane growers and steps to prevent
diversion ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The fall in production
of sugar during the 1971-72 season is attri-
butable mainly to the fall in the area under
sugarcane during the year and to the
damage caused to the crops by excessive
rains and floods in the North and drought
conditions in some areas in the South. Due
to the higher prices of gur and khandsari,
it is possible there might have been some
diversion of sugarcane to these industries
also.

(b) Sugar and sugarcane policy for
1972-73 with a view to maximising the pro-
duction of sugar is in an advanced stage of
consideration.

C.B I. prove into reported Pardeep
Port Tug Scandal

2918. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Central Bureau of Investi-
gation probe was ordered into Pardip Port
tug scandal; and

(b) if so, the result of enquiry ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :

(a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

Survey of working conditions of Indian
Doctors Abroad

2919. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have con-
ducted a survey on the working conditions
of Indian doctor? abroad; and

(b) if so, the outcome of the survey 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and

(b) . The requisite information is being
collected and will be laid on the Table of
the Sabha.

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Complaints Re : Wheat prices reco-
mmended by A<P.C'

2920. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints regarding the wheat prices
recommended by the Agricultural Prices
Commission to reduce the procurement
price of wheat and unsatisfactory arrange-
ment in the States; and

(b) if so, the reaction of States and
Central Government thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The Agricultural Prices Commission, in its
report on price policy for Rabi foodgrains
for 1972-73 season, recommended a reduc-
tion in the procurement price of wheat. A
large number of representations were re-
ceived from associations and individuals
against this recommendation of the Commis-
sion. Government, after careful considera-
tion in consultation with the State Govern-
ments and taking into account all relevant
factors, decided to continue the procure-
ment price of wheat at the previous year's
level.

Although some complaints, ma nly about
delay in opening of purchase centres etc.,
were received from U P. and Rajasthan,
the arrangements for procurement of wheat
in the States were satisfactory.

Eipendlture on Family Planning in
Mysore State

2921. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA • Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the amount of expenditure incurred
on Family Planning by Central Government
m the State of Mysore and the amount of
foreign aid received in this regard during
the last three years, country- wise; and

(b) the extent to which' tho objective
was achieved by the Government f

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The
total estimated expenditure on Family Plan-
ning Proaramme in Mysore State during the
last three years (1969-72) is Rs. 678.40
lakhs. No foreign aid specifically earmarked
for the Family Planning Programme for
that State during that period has been
received.

(b) The performance under Family Pla-
nning Programme since its inception in
Mysore Stale up to the end of May, 1972
has been 4.84 lakh sterilisation operations,
2.61 lakh I.U.C.D. insertions and 33,000
users of Conventional Contraceptives. As a
result of the programme, 9.5% of couples
in the reproductive age group have been
currently protected in Mysore State.

The National objective of the pro-
gramme is to bring down the birth rate to
32 per thousand of population by the end
of the Fourth Five Year Plan. According
to the Sample Registration Scheme of
Registrar General of India, the birth rate
in Mysore had come djwn to 33.3 in 1970
(35.1 in rural areas and 27.8 in Urban
areas).

Piocess in Construction of Mangalore
Harbour

2922 SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Mangalore Harbour is not
likely to be ready according to schedule;
and

* •

(b) if so, the difficulties being faced to
get it ready according to schedule and when
it is likely to be ready and whether some
additional msney has also been sanctioned
for the same ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AMD SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b) No target date as such was
fixed for the’ completion of the Mangalore
Harbour. However, it was intended to comp-
lete it as far as possible by the end of ‘1972,

147

Written Answers

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers

The new harbour is now to start function-
ing by the end of 1973 and will be comp-
leted by the middle of 1974. The progress
of work \i satisfactory except for a short-
fall in the dredging schedule due to delay
in delivery of a dredger ordered on an indi-
genous firm. Proposals are under consi-
deration to complete the dredging operation
as expeditiously as possible. It is prema-
ture to indicate the extra expenditure that
might be involved.

Report of Committee to Review the
working of National Akademls
and Indian Council of
Cultural Relations

2923. SHR1 P. A. SAMINATHAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION. AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

( 9 ) whether the Committee set up to
review the working of the three National
Akademis and the Indian Council of Cultu-
ral Relations has submitted its report, as
was anticipated in April, 1972; and

(b) if so. the action taken by Govern-
ment on the recommendations made by the
Committee ?

THE DEPUETY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMASWAMY)-
(a) and (b). The Committee submitted its
report on 31.7.72 and this is uNder consi-
deration of Government. A copy of the
Report will be placed on the table of the
Lok Sabha as soon as it is received from
the press.

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Loss ir yield of crop in Bihar due to

non-availability of impioved variety
of seeds

2925. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints about the substantial Joss of crop
yield in Bihar State on account of non-
availability of improved varieties of seeds in
time ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Govern-
ment to supply improved varieties of seeds
in time in future ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDh) : (a) and (b).
The Government of India have not received
any specific complaint, but the information
is being collected from *he Government of
Bihar and tyjlj be laid pn the table of the
Sabha aooa*

149 Written Answers

SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SA&A) Written Answers 150

Import of milch cattle

2926. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of milch cattle imported
by the Government during the last three
years and the names of the countries from
which the said animals were imported ;

(b) the amount paid to each of these
countries by the Government ;

(c) the names of States in the country
which were given these animals and the
number of animals given to each of these
States ; and

(d) the names of the countries with
which the Indian Government are negotia-

ting in order to improve the breed of milch
cattle in mdia ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) 1241 exotic cattle had
been imported during the last three years
i e. 1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72 from
Australia, Denmark, U. S. A. and U. K.

(b) No amounts were paid to the
Government of this countries. 575 cattle
supplied by the Australian Government
and 164 supplied by Denmark Govt,
as Gift were F. O. R. Indian Airport/
port. In respect of 503 exotic cattle recei-
ved from U. S. A., U. K. and Austialia as
Gift, an amount of Rs. 14,90,636.65 was
paid as transportation charges only.

SI. No.

Name of

Jersay

Friesian

Gurensey

Red Dane

Brown Swiss

Bulls

Heifers

Bulls

Heifers

Bulls Heifers

9 10

11 12

Andhra Pradesh

...

. . .

...

Assam

...

... ...

Bihar

...

Kerala 1 5

...

... ...

... IM

Tamil Nadu

...

••• •••

... ...

Maharashtra

...

• • • ■ • ■

• • • •••

Bhartiya Agro-
Industries
Foundation,
Maharashtra

... ...

• «« Ml

Madhya Pradesh 4

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Punjab

(including Agn.
University

223

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Haryana

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• • •

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12.

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13.

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14.

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Pradesh

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15.

U. P. Agri.

University

Pantnagar

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1 20

151 Written Answers

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers

1 52

7 8

16.

Rajasthan

...

... ...

• ••

17.

Goa

...

... ...

• • •

...

18.

Military

Farms

• ••

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... ...

• ••

19.

I. V. R. I,
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...

... ...

• ••

20.

Pondicherry

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... •••

• • •

...

• • •

21.

Meghalaya

...

22.

Gujarat

(Anand)

...

... ...

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f#a

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Total :

704

317

6 16

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. _ — —

— . _

(d) The Government of India is negotiating with the Govt, of Australia, Newzeland
Denmark and Switzerland. *

Food products received by C- A. R. E.
as gift

2927. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any arrangement
to inspect and certify that different food
products received by CARE as gift, or
otherwise, are fit for human consumption ;

(b) whether these consignments received
by CARE are accompanied by international
medical /health certificate ;

(c) whether any quantity of power milk,
butter oil, biscuits or other food articles
were found unfit for human consumption
during the last three years, if so, the parti-
culars thereof ; and

(d) how these foods which were found
unfit for humen consumption were disposed
of 7

THE MINISTER OF STATF IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (d).
The information is being collected and will
be laid on the Table of the Sabha,

Milk Powder and butter oil unfit for
human consumption

2928. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the total quantity of ‘Unfit for
Human Consumption* milk powder and
butter oil received through LNICF, WFP
(World Food Programme) and other inter-
national Organisations by the Indian Dairy
Corporation and National Dairy Board
during Iasi three years;

(b) whether these goods were not got
checked, inspected and certified by the
Agency of the Health Ministry before
releasing them for use of the common
people, particularly the weaker section of
the society ;

(c) the action taken or porposed to be
taken against the officers responsible for
releasing such unfit goods for use of the
people ; and

(d) whether Government propose to
ensure that eveiy consignment so received
should be accompanied by the International
Health Certificate and again certified by our
Health Ministry before releasing them for
public use ?

NOTE : — 1 Jersey bull died during quaranting period,

153

Written Answers SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SJKa)

Written Answers 154

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (d). The informa-
tion is being collected and will be placed on
the table of the House. The Indian Dairy
Corporation have however stated that no
milk powder and butter oil unfit for
human consumption was released for the
use of the common people.

Delhi University Library

2929. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN :

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether his attention has been
drawn to the news item appearing in the
• Hindustan Times * dated the 25th July, 1972
under the heading, ‘University Library —
chaos behind orderly exterior; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto and the steps taken in this regard 7

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).

A statement giving the view of the Univer-
sity of Delhi on the various points raised in
the News item is laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT -
3461 1772.

Development of New Variety of Sugar-
cane at Regional Sugarcane Research
Institute, Jullunder

2930. SHRIMATI SAVITRI HYAMS:

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of the Govern-
ment has been drawn to a news item appear-
ing in the Indian Express dated the 28th
July, 1972 that Regional Suggarcane Research
lustitute, Jullundur has developed a new
variety of sugarcane;

(b) if so, the expected yield of this
sugarcane per acre and how far this sugar-
taqe will produce sugar; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes.
Three new varieties viz. S. 449-64 S 480/64
and Co 62399 have been fonud promising
for cultivation.

(b) The yield potential for these new
varieties are given below : —

S 449 46

700-quintals per
hectare

S 480-64

750-800

hectare

quamals-

Co. 62399

800-850

hectare

quenials

These now varieties
the early, medium

belong respectively
and late maturing

groups. In view of the difference in the
maturity period of the canes, cultivation of
these varieties is likely to help in improv-
ing the sugarcane recovery percentage in
the factories.

(c) These varieties are being tested in
the varietal trials at sugar factory farms and
fields of progressive cane growers and are
likely to be released for general cultivation
after studying their performance in the
cultivators fields. Hence it is too early to
predict the extent to which the demand of
the sugar industry would be met by these
new strains.

Foongrains to Bangladesh

* ,

2931. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHY AM :

SHRI HUKAM CHAND
KACHWA1 :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) the quantity of total foodgrains
supplied to Bangladesh by the Government
of India;

(b) whether more foodgrains are also
to be supplied to Bangladesh;

155

Written Artfaers AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers

156

(c) while supplying foodgrains to
Bangladesh, whether Government would
keep in view the present drought conditions
in various parts of the country including
the same prevailing in Bangladesh; and

(d) if so, the broad outlines thereof 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
A total quantity of 7,57,109 tonnes has been
despatched upto 10/1/12. It has been agreed
to supply a further quantity of 50,000 tonnes
of wheat to Bangla Desh. Against this, a
quantity of about 38,000 tonnes has been
despatched upto 15/8/72 and the balance
will be supplied before the end of August,
1972.

(d) The supply position In the drought
affected areas is under consta it review.
Reasonable requirements of fooderains of
the drought affected States are being met.

Sanitation and Horticulture Arrangement
in type II Quarters of Mandir Marg,
New Delhi.

2932. SHRI B K DASCHOW DHURY:
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state :

(a) whether in Type II quarters of
Mandir Marg, New Delhi, there is no sani-
tation and horticulture arrangement provi-
ded by any authority for the last eight
months; and

(b) if so, the details thereof and the
steps taken by Government in providing
such facilities at the earliest 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. F. CHATTOPADHYAYA); (a) and (b).
The sanitation arrangements have already
been provided. As regards horticultural
arrangements, laying of the unffltered water
main has been completed in July 1972 and
necessary horticultural wbrk is in hand;

Legal Status to Social Welfare Boards

2933. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY:

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU:

Will the Minister of EDUCATION &
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
to give legal status to the Social Welfare
Boards in the country; and

(h) if so, the main features thereof and
the steps taken by Government in this
regard 7

THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA-
SWAMY); (a) and (b). The Central Gbvern-
ment has jurisdiction only over the Central
Social Welfare Board which is at preseht
registered as a Company under the Com-
panies Act, 1956. A proposal for its reor-
ganisation is under consideration.

In a recent Conference of the State
Ministers mcharge of Social Welfare and
Backward Classes Welfare, the States
Governments were advised to reconstitute
the Slate Social Welfare Boards as registered
societies.

Setting up of Power Committee for
implemenation of National Health
Scheme for Rural Areas

2934. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY:
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether a High Power Committee
to go into details of a National Health
Scheme for rural areas prepared b> the
Ministry and to suggest the necessary modi-
fications for its speedy implementation has
been set up;

fb) whether the scheme today by
medical man , in rural areas has been
binalied ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

157

Written Afltqers SR AVAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

(b) and (c). At the Conference of
Health Ministers recently held in New Delhi
a Committee of Ministers was constituted to
go into the details and to suggest such
modifications as may be necessary to ensure
the smooth aad efficient implementation of
the Scheme. This Committee held its first
meeting on the 27th July, 1972. The vari-
ous suggestions for modifications made at
the meeting of the Committee can broadly
be classified into the following three cate-
gories :

(i) employment of para-medical
staff af'er giving them some
basic training;

(ii) employment of para-medical
staff and also the registered
medical practitioners in the
Indian Systems of Medicine and
Homoeopathy wherever avail-
able; and

(in) the extansion of the existing
scheme of providing Primary
Health Centres and Sub-Centres

and the employment of M.B B.S.
doctors.

The State Governments have requested
to cosider the suggestions and revise the
scheme to suit the conditions prevailing
in the respective States and to forward the
scheme by the 15th of September, 1972, to
the Government of India together with a
complete syllabus for various types of train-
ing so that further action may be taken in
the matter.

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Closure of National Highway No. 6
passing from Raipur to Sambalpur
in Madhya Pradesh

2939. SHRI SHRIKRISHNA

AGRAWAL : Will the Minister of SHIPP-
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether National Highway No. 6
passes from Raipur to Sambalpur in Madhya
Pradesh;

(b) if so, whether Government are
aware that this National Highway passes
over many rivers as a result of which it is
closed particularly during rainy season;

(d) if so, the steps being ta ken by
Government to ensure that this Highway is
not closed and the time by which necessary
work is likely to be completed ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MET HA) : (a) National Highway No.

6 passes from Raipur in Madhya Pradesh to
Sambalpur in Orissa,

(b) The traffic is not closed but is
only held up at a few river crossings occa-
sionally for short duration during the rainy
season.

(d) The construction of high level
bridges in place of the existing eight sub-
mersible bridges which hold up traffic dur-
ing the rainy season have been included in
the Fourth Five Year Plan. These are ex-
pected to be taken up soon and completed
during the Fifth Plan period.

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Foreign Assistance in Cultivation of
Sugar Beet and Sun Flower

2941. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whother some foreign countries
have offered assistance in India's agriculture
development particularly in cultivation of
sugar-beet and sun- flower;

(b) if so, the names of these countries
and the terms thereof, and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
No offer of assistance has been received from
any foreign country for cultivation of Sugar
beet and Sun flower. Under a Protocol
signed with U.S S.R. on lOlh April, 1972
Government have agreed to supply 10
Kg. each of certain varieties of Sun flower
seeds for research purposes.

Under the Indo-Danish Technical
Cooperation Agreement, the services of a
Danish Fxpert have been obtained for a

period of 38 months from 14th October,
1970 to advise us on matters relating to
cultivation of Sugar beet and Beet Seed
production.

Mithila University

2942. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a modern vMithila) Univer-
sity at Darbhanga in Bihar has been estab-
lished; and

(b) if so, the University Grants Com-
mission's assistance to the same ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accor-
ding to the information furnished by the
Government of Bihar, the Mithila Univer-
sity has started functioning with head-
quarters at Darbhanga.

(b) Under the University Grants Com-
mission (Amendment) Act, 1972, no grant
can be given to the University unless the
Commission has after satisfying itself in such
maiters as may be prescribed, declared the
University to be fit for receiving such grant.
The question of assistance, if any, will be
considered after the University approaches
the Commission and after taking into consi-
deration the provisions of the University
Grants Commission Act.

Setting up of Agricultural Polyltechnics

2943. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to set
up agricultural polytechnics; and

(b) if so, the main details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) In pursuance of the recommenda-
tions of the Education Commission (1964-66)
ICAR in consultation with lhe Department

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Written Answers 166

of Agriculture, Ministry of Agreculture has
decided to initiate a scheme of Agriculture
Polytechnics mainly for middle level training,
vocational training and inservice training in
specialised fields. A working group has
been set up to work out the details of the
scheme. In order to gain experience five
Agriculture Polytechnics as pilot projects
are proposed to be started during the 4th
Plan Period :

1. Horticulture Polytechnic

2. Dairy polytechnic

3. Multiple cropping polytechnic

4. Dryland farming polytechnic, and

5. Agriculture Engineering polytechnic

To begin with emphasis would be laid
on inservice training and technical literacy
drive so that these program nes do not in
any way add to the unemployment problem.

The pattern of assistance has yet to be
decided. The details, such as location,
staffing etc., are yet to be worked out.

Mini-Kit-Programme for Rice

2944. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a rice mini-kit programme
has been sponsored by Government and
I.C.A R. with the Cooperation of Fold
Foundation in order to mtesify ex'ension
efforts; and

(b) if so, the main features of the pro-
gramme?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SlllNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.
The Government of India, in collaboration
witn 1 C.A.R., have taken up a Central
Sector Scheme on Rice Minikit Programme.

(b) The main features of the progra-
mme are :

(i) distribution of minikits contain-
ing 3 Kg. of seed pf ep?h of

the two indentified varieties
suitable for different agro-
climatic conditions;

(ii) training of extension personnel
responsible for the implementa-
tion of the programme at the
field level;

(lii) seed multiplication of the varie-
ties included in the programme;
and

(iv) evaluation of the trials in the
field with a view to judging the
reaction of farmers.

Construction of Dry Dock In Calcutta
to build bigger ships

2945. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH .
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to State :

(a) whether there is a proposal to
construct a new Dry Dock to build bigger
ships in Calcutta;

(b) whether the Dock is being cons-
tructed with foreign collaboration; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Garden

Reach Workshops Limited, Calcutta, are
expanding their present Dry Dock to a
bigger Dry Dock of size 188 meters x 27
meters x 10 meters, as a part of their expan-
sion and modernisation plan, to enable
them to construct ocean going vessels upto
28,000 DWT. The expanded Dry Dock is
expected to be completed by July 1973. No
foreign collaboration is envisaged for this
project.

Delegates to 14th International Youth
Science Fortnight

2946. SHRI NARANDER SINGH :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

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Written Answers 168

(a) whether a delegation consisting of
three students has gone to London to partici-
pate at the 14th International Youth Science
Fortnight;

(b) if so, names of the delegates ;

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). Government has no
information. No such delegation has been
sponsored by Gavernment.

Food Poisoning in certain Schools in
Trivandrum

2947. SHRI RAMKANWAR :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there have been several
ca5es of suspected food poisoning in certain
schools in Trivandrum recently;

(b) whether free food through the good
offices of Cooperative for American Relief
Everywhere (CARE) is being supplied;

(d) whether Government of India
have stopped supply of the CARE food to
school children; and

(e) reasons for imposing such a ban 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) i (a) There was
a report of suspected food poisoning from
a lower primary school at Attmgal near
Trivandrum. No chemical toxin was detec-
ted. A few cases have been confirmed
bacteriologically as Cholera cases subse-
quently.

(b) Yes.

(c) Under the Indo-CARE Agreement
of 1950, a Mid-day Meals Programme with
CARE assistance, is being implemented io
the State Sector by the State/Union Terri-
tory Governments of Andhra Pradesh,
Gujarat, Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh,
Maharashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Punjab,
Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh, West
Bengal and Pondicherry. CARE supplies
the food commodities (corn- flour, bulgar
wheat, rolled wheat, milk powder, corn,
soyabean, CSM, Salad 0.1 and Milk Bread)
free of charge at the Indian ports to the
State/Union Territory Governments. The
States/Union Territory Governments bear
clearance and other administrative
charges for the distribution of the
the food to the children and also the CARE
cost in New York on the packing, labelling
of the consignments before shipment and in
India on the pay and allowances of the
Indian personnel and the maintenance of
CARE offices at the State capitals under
an American Administrator. According to
CARE, the States/Union Territories propose
to cover a total number of 110.19 lakh
children during 1972-73.

(d) and (e). The Central Government
have not issued any orders banning the distri-
bution of CARE food to school childern.
Due to suspected food poisoning the State
Government issued instructions to suspend
temporarily CARF feeding in the State.

Demands of Employees of I.LT.

New Delhi

2948. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the employees of the Indian
Institute of Technology, New Delhi had
lecently conducted an agitation including
Gherao in support of their demands;

(b) the demands made by the employees;
and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c).
A Charter pf Demgqds was presented by

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come of the employees is of the Idian Ins-
titute of Technology, Delhi to the Director
of the Institute on 31st May, 1972. There
were nine demands presented by the emp-
loyees. The demands are mainly related to
the following :

(i) Recognition of the Employee*s
Union;

(ii) Constitution of an Administrative
Standing Committee;

(iii) Withdrawal of disciplinary cases;

(iv) Preparation of Gradation Lists;

(v) Regularisation of temporary emp-
ees;

(vi) Implementation of all rules and
orders of Govt;

(vii) Representation of the I.I.T. employees
on the Board of Governors;

(viii) Change of designation of some of
the staff;

(ix) Provision of promotion opportuni-
ties to class IV staff.

(x) Campus facilities and amenities to be
extended to all the employees.

On receipt of Charter of Demands, the
Chairman of the Board of Governors after
discussing the matter with some of the
members of the Board appointed a Sub-
committee of theBurd of Governors on
2nd June, 1972 to look into the various
demands of the staff.

The Committee submitted their recom-
mendations to the Baard on 22nd July,
1972.

The report of the Committee was consi-
dered by the Board of Governors in its
meeting held on 22nd of July, 1972. While
the meeting was going on, some of the
employees gheraoed the members of the
Board from 11 A. M. to 5 P.M. and did
not permit them to come out.

The Board has accepted the recommen-
dations of the Committee and asked the
Director to constitute a Staff Committee

consisting of the representatives of the
faculty and others which would act as an
Advisory Committee. Action on all other
matters recommended by the Sub-Committee
and accepted by the Board of Governors is
being taken.

Social Security Measures In Fifth
Plan

2949. SHR1 M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Conference of the State
Ministers for Social Welfare held recently
in New Delhi has discussed the approach
to social security in Fifth Plan;

(d) if so, the views expressed at the
Conference; and

(c) whether any tentative estimates have
been made as to the funds required for
social security measures in the Fifth Plan?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) :
(a) and (b). This was one of the items in-
cluded in the agenda for the Conference
but could not be discussed in detail. The
State Ministers, however, were requested to
let the Central Government have their pro-
posals for the Fifth Plan at an early date.

Extension of activities and Programme
of Worker’s Soc al Education
Institutes

2950. SHRI T S. LAKSHMANAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the recommendations contained fa
the report submitted by the 5-member expert
group set up to formulate concrete pro-
posals for the expansion of the activities
and programmes of the Workers' Social
Education Institutes;

(b when was the report submitted;

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AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers 172

(d) if so, the action being taken by
Government to implement the recommen-
dations 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHR1 K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Recommendations made by
the Expert Group are laid on the Table of
the House. [ Placed in Library See No.
LT-3462/72 ]

(b) The Expert Group submitted the
Report in February, 1971.

(d) The Report of the Expert Group is
being sent to the Workers* Social Education
Institutes to implement those recommenda-
tions which have been accepted by the
Government of India.

Pilot projects for Eradication of
lllitercy in Selected Districts

2951. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) when were the recommendations
made by the National Board of Adult
Education for formulating Pilot Project for
eradication of illiteracy in Selected Districts;

(b) the details of the draft scheme which
has been prepared for complete eradication
of illiteracy among six million illiterate
adualts in Selected Districts in the first phase
of the Fourth Plan;

(d) whether there is any possibility of
this scheme being implemented before the
end of Fourth Five Year Plan 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND

SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S.‘ RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) In May, 1970.

(b) The scheme envisages the eradica-
tion of illiteracy on a mass basis in a phased
manner beginning with 20 districts. It also
envisages maximum public participation.

(c) The scheme is under consideration
of the State Governments. When the reac-
tion of all the State Governments has been
ascertained, it will be considered by the
Ministry of Finance.

(d) This depends on the State Govern-
ments.

Prosposal from Peru (S, America) for

setting up Pilot project for Buffalo
Breeding Centre

2952. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have received
any proposal for setting up a pilot project
for Buffalo Breeding Centre in Peru, South
America , and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Question does not arise.

Seminar on Abuse of Drugs by Youths

2953. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a two-day Seminar was
held on the 28th July, 1972 about the abuse
of drugs by youth ;

(b) if so, whether any recommenda-
tions were made to Government ; and

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SKAVaNA 30,1894 (SARA) Written Answers 174

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. The Delhi Admi-
nistration organised a two-day Seminar on
'Drug Abuse and Youth* on 28th and 29th
July, 1972.

(b) and (c). The recommendations of
the Saminar were not received by the
Government of India. These were received
by the Delhi Administration and are being
examined by them.

Expansion of Shipping Corporation of
India

2954. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
expand the working of the Shipping Cor-
poration of India ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the pro-
posal and the steps taken in that direction ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
(a) and (b). The Shipping Corporation has
acquired a fleet of 77 vessels of 8 71 lakhs
GRT (13 00 lakhs DWT) With the acqui-
sition of the shares of the Jayanti Shipping
Company in October 1971, the fleet of the
Jayanti Shipping Company comprising 16
vessels of 2.95 lakhs GRT (4.81 lakhs
DWT) has also come under the ownership
of the Shipping Corporation. In addition,
the Corporation has already placed orders
tor 39 ships totalling over 1 million GRT
(1.6 million DWT) with Shipyards in India
and abroad, as a part of its Fourth Plan
expansion programme. The Corporation
intends to further expand its fleet and acti-
vities during the Fifth Plan period. It also
intends to expand its activities and extend
its services to other areas, consistent with
the requirements of the country’s inter-
national trade and their commercial viabi-
lity. In the Corporation’s future expansion
programme, more emphasis is laid upon
diversification of its fleet through the deve-
lopment of the bulk carrier, tanker and
other specialised trades, where the partici-
pation of the Indian Shipping is at present
inadequate.

Centra! Assistance of Andhra Pradesh
for Drought Situation

2955. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have granted
any help to the Andhra Pradesh Govern-
ment to face drought situation in the State;

(b) if so, the details thereof and to
what extent ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) and (b).
A ceiling of Rs. 5 90 crores was fixed for
the purpose of Central financial assistance
for drought relief measures during the
period Apnl-June, 1972.

In view of the continuing drought con-
ditions after June, 1972, the State Govern-
ment has requested for a review of the
situation and an assessment of the require-
ments of funds for the subsequent period
by a Central team.

Pending the assessment by the team,
the State Government also requested for an
ad-hoc assistance of Rs. 5 crores against
which a loan of Rs. 2.50 crores has already
been sanctioned to the State Government.

The Central team is also being consti-
tuted and wt 11 be visiting the State shortly.

• *

Installation of Gamma .Irradiation unit
in Osman im University

2956. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the first gamma irradiation
unit of Indian design has been installed in
in Osmania University recently and if so,
the broad features thereof ;

(b) the progress achieved in this regard;
and

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THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir. A one-thousand curie Cobalt-60
Gamma shine specially designed and fabri-
cated indigenously by the Isotope Division
of the Bhaba Atomic Research Centre,
Bombay has been installed at the Genetics
Departments of Osmania University. The
Unit is designed primarily for biological
research. It provides an intense field of
gamma radiation over an extended region.
It has provision to have experiments con-
ducted both on agricultural stocks and live
stocks.

(b) The Unit is in full operation and is
being used for the studies on preservation
of foods by irradiation.

Import of flshiog vessels from U- S- S. R.

2957. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have taken a
final denision regarding the import of fish-
ing vessels from U. S. S. R. for deep sea
fishing ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof and
how many of the imported vessels have
been demanded by the Kerala Government
for the execution of its fisheries develop-
ment project ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHBB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
An Agreement on Cooperation in the field
of Marine and Inland fisheries is being

negotiated with the Government of U S.S.R.
The proposed Agreement is in general terms
and does not specify the number of type of
vessels to be imported. The question of
earmarking vessels for allotment to Kerala
or other States does not, therefore, arise.
In accordance with the approved policy,
indigenous capacity for construction of deep
sea fishing vessels should be fully utilised.
The balance of vessels will be obtained
under the proposed Agreement to the extent
of availability. The situation will, there-
fore, have to be reviewed in the context of
the Agreement after it has been concluded.

Central Assistance to Kerala for expan-
sion of cashew cultivation

2958. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the necessity to increase the cashew cultiva-
tion in the country to decrease our depen-
dence on other countries for the supply of
raw cashew nuts ;

(b) if so, the steps taken in that
direction ;

(c) whether Government of Kerala have
asked for any financial assistance for the
development of cashew cultivation in that
State ; and

(d) if so. the reaction thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHJNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Government of India have
taken up the following Centrally sponsored
schemes in the Fourth Plan in the mgjor
cashew growing Slates to step up the pro-
duction of cashew in the country •

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Scheme

1. Production of cashtw
air-layers :

2. Organisation of demons-
tration plots :

?. Adoption of plant pro-
tection measures :

4. Marketing surveys :

The cashew development programme in
the Central Sector has been further augmen-
ted with the implementation of a scheme on
Special Package Programme on cashew and
area expansion in the departmental planta-
tions to cover 5,000 hectares under each in
the different States at a total outlay of
Rs. 100 lakhs in the last two years of the
Fourth Plan.

(d) Does not arise.

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Sun flower cultivation

2960. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have ascer-
tained the names of the States in the
country, where sun flower cultivation is
possible ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof and
whether sun flower cultivation is also
possible in any part of Bihar ; and

the minister of state in the

MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHlNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). Extensive trials carried out
during the last three years have indicated
the suitability of imported sunflower strains
to different seasons and areas. The details
of the regions and the seasons in which
suu flower can be grown are given below •

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Season

Regions suitable

Variety suttable

1. Khar if

(June-July showing

and October-Nov.
harvesting.)

1. Central region covered by
adjoining areas of Maha-
rashtra. M. P. # Gujarat,
Rajasthan and Bundel-

khand region.

Vhiimk or Peredavik in
Maharashtra and M. P.,
Armavirskij in Gujarat,
Rajasthan and Bundel-

khand.

2. Kharif

(June-July sowing

and October-Nov.
harvesting)

2. Southern region :

Raichur in Mysore and

Coimbatore and Salem

in Tamil Nadu.

Armavirskij.

3. Rabi

(Nov. Feb.)
irrigated if

3. Kolhapur and Jalgaon

regions of Maharashtra.

Armavirskij.

necessary.

4. AhmeiJabad district of

Gujari t.

Viniimk

5. Terai region of Uttar
Pradei h.

Voiimk

6. West Bengal.

Peredavik

7. Coimbatore and Salem

of Ta nil Nadu.

Armavirskij

8. Telengana of A. P.

Armaverts

4. Summer
(irrigated)

March-June.

9. Gangeiie Plains of Cen-
tral anJ Western Uttar

Pradesh.

Sunflower was tried during Kharif season under the All India Coordinated Oilseeds
Improvement Project in Bihar. The kharif crop was not very successful. Further experi-
ments art being conducted at Kanke and Pusa in Bihar under the All India Project to explore
the suitability of Sun Flower in that State.

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Bihar far behind in construction and
development of National Highways

2961. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPQRT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bihar is behind its Fourth
Plan target on the construction and deve-
lopment of National Highways and out of
total allocation of Rs. 44 5 crores includ ing
Rs. 27.5 crores for sanctioned schemes , only
3.5 crores have been spent so far;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and
whether the Central Government has asked
the State G overnment for such delayed
action and slow progress in construction of
National Highways; and

(c) if so, the reply Government of
Bihar has given to the Centre and what
further steps the Centre propose to take to
remove the malady ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Estimates sanc-
tioned to date total to Rs 31.79 crores
against Rs. 44 5 crores assessed to be the
cost of development works on National
Highways in Bihar during the Fourth Plan.
The expenditure incurred till 31st March,
1972 is Rs. 7.33 crores.

The reasons for the relatively slow pro-
gress in the execution of National Highway
works in Bihar have been discussed recently
with the State Public Works Department
officers. The main reasons for slow pro-
gress have been the delay in acquisition of
land and settlement of tenders for works,
besides difficulty in transportation of bitu-
men and contractual problems. The State
P,W,D. have been asked lo expedite settle-

ment of contracts and push up the works.
They have indicated that during the current
financial year (1972-73) the expenditure on
works would be of the order of Rs. eight
crores.

Rules framed for appointment to certain
Posts in Delhi Milk Scheme

2962. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be plea-
sed to state :

(a) whether any Rules had been framed
for appointment to the Posts of Inquiry
Officer, Personnel Officer and Administra-
tive Officer in the Delhi Milk Scheme as
envisaged in the provision to Article 311 of
the Constitution; and if so, whether he
would lay a copy thereof on the Table;

(b) the manner in which the appoint-
ments to these posts had been made present-
ly;

(c) whether some appointments are
being reversed despite the fact that the
incumbents thereof fulfilled the prescribed
conditions regulating the respective appoint-
ments; and

(d) if so, the reasons therefor and steps
taken or proposed to be taken to set matters
right and retain the status quo 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Recruitment Rules
have been framed under Article 309 of the
Constitution of India for regulating appoint-
ments to three posts. A copy each of the
Recruitment Rules is laid on the Table of
the House. [Placed in Library See No.
LT-3463/72 J.

(b) The position regarding appointraeut
to these posts is as under ;

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Designation Number

(1)

Inquiry Officer

(2)

Personnel Officer

0 )

Administrative

Officer

(b)

Does not arise.

(c) No The incumbent in the post of
the Inquiry Officer holding it an ad-hoc basis,
has been reverted because he does not
fulfill the conditions or the Recruitment
Rules.

(dj Does not arise.

Machinery to supervise Land Ceiliag
Legislation and its implementation

2963. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state ;

(a) whether any machinery is being set
up or is likely to be set up to see that land
ceiling legislations are enacted and imple-
mented properly and uniformly; and

(b) the suggestions for Land ceiling
received from Hill States and other areas
exempted from the operation of ceiling laws
and targets being fixed for them 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) Enact-
ment and implementation of land ceiling
legislation is the responsibility of the State
Governments. Revenue machinery exists
for the purpose in each State and it will be
strengthened wherever the situation warrants.

(b) The Chief Ministers’ Conference has
recommended that in special cases like
desert areas and hilly areas the ceiling limit
for dry hods may bp relaxed by the con*

Position of Appointment

This post was filled on an ad-hoe
basis by appointment of a Class II
officer of the D.M.S. for the period
from 31.1. 1970 (A.N.) to 31.7.72,

This post was filled on an ad-hoc
basis with effect from 1st July, 1971
by deputation of Class II Central
Secretariat service officer.

One post is filled in accordance with
the Recruitment Rules by promo-
tion. Aetion to fill the other post
by deputation is in progress.

earned State Governments after discussing
specific cases with the Union Ministry of
Agriculture. No proposals in this regard
have so far been received from any State
Government.

Improvement in working of Social
Welfare Programme

2964. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the measures adopted and being en-
forced to bring about improvement in the
working of the Social Welfare Programmes
in the country;

(b) whether the financial targets meant
for social welfare have been or are being
increased as compared to previous years and
if so, the main features thereof;

(c) whether arrangements exist to see
that the organisations or administrative
machinery for the purpose is suitably
manned and harnessed to carry on the work
satisfactorily; and

(d) whether there is or is likely to be
set up any Central agency to coordinate
activities in States in this behalf?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWA MY) : (a) Various measures are adop-
ted according to i equipments to bring about
improvement in the working of the
Welfare Programmes in the country.

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Written Answers 186

Recently important topics were consi-
dered by a Conference of State Ministers
for Backward Classes and Social Welfare
held on 23rd July. 1972 such as : —

(I) A new Strategy for Tribal Develop-
ment.

(? j Removal of Untouchability.

(3) Reorganisation of the Central Social
W dfare Board.

(4> The Roles of Government and
Voluntary Agencies in Social Welfare

(5) Social Security in the Fifth Plan.

(6) Rehabilitation of the persons affec-
ted by dacoity and of the families of
the ex-dacoits.

Recommendations made by the Confe-
rence will be considered and implemented
t>y the State Governments.

The Annual Plans of State Governments
are discussed at the Central level by experts
in the field of Social Welfare and the Plan-
ning Commission where guidelines and
improvements are suggested.

Study Teams/Expert Committees are
set up to go into the working of the pro-
grammes and to make suitable recommenda-
tions.

The enforcement is mostly with the
State Governments where the projects are
implemented at the ground level.

Evaluation studies in respect of impor-
tant programmes are undertaken from time
to time and improvements suggested, where*
ever necessary.

(b) Financial targets have been raised
according to the needs of the various pro-
grammes. The year-wise expenditure on
Social Welfare Programmes in the Central
Sector during the past 3 years of the Fourth
Plan and budget provision for 1972-73 are
as under :

(Rupees in lakhs)

Expenditure

Provision

1969-70

1970-71

1971-72

1972-73

(Anticipated )

Hi. 294.37

Rs. 513.71

Rs. 1,479.48

Rs. 2,563.52

(including expendi-

(including Spe-

ture on Special

cial Nutrition

Nutrition Pro-

Programme.)

gramme)

i t

Special Nutrition Progremme for child-
ren has been given special consideration
and the allocation of Rs. 10 crores provided
in 1971-72 has been enhanced to Rs. 21.5
crores in 1972-73.

(•) Yes.

(d) The Department of Social Welfare
at the Central level performs this role.

Setting up of Russian equipped
Paediatric Ward in the Medical
College, Alleppy

2965. SHR1 M. S. S1VASWAMY :

SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF:

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to stale ;

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(a) whether Government have given
clearance for setting up of a Russian equip-
ped I00»bed Paediatric Ward in the Medical
College, Alleppy; and

(b) if so, the time by which the Ward
is likely to be set up and start functioning ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b).
No offer of aid for setting; up of a Russian
equipped 100 bed Paediatric Ward in the
T. D. Medical College Alleppy has been
received by the Government of India from
the Government of USSR However, a
proposal was received from Government of
Kerala for seeking assistance from the
Government of U.S.S R. for setting up of
two units, one each for Physiotherapy and
Paediatrics in the above college. The pro-
posal has been carefully considered and it
was felt that in the present stage of develop-
ment an medical specialities m the country,
there is hardly any need to seek foreign
assistance to start new units in Paediatrics
and Physiotherapy Departments in Alleppy
Medical College. The general condition of
this Medical College is far from satisfactory
and the institution should first concentrate
on providing the necessary staff and equip-
ment for basis disciplines before thinking of
starting specialised departments. The Stale
Government has been informed accordingly.

However, on the request of the Govern-
ment ol Kerala tho Government of India
have approved of the receipt as gift of
various items of equipments from the
Government of U.S.S. R. for use in the
Paediatrics Department of the Medical
College at Alleppy. The Government of
U S.S.R. have already been requested to
release equipments to the Government of
Keral a.

Dry Dock to build bigger ships

2966. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to be state :

(a) whether Government have chalk d
out a plan to have new dry dock to build
bigger ships m the country; and

(b) ; f so, the broad outlines thereof
and the progress achieved in this regard 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Cochin
Shipyard Projects includes the construction
of a dry dock measuring 255 metres X 42.8
metres X 9 metres This dock is expected to
be completed by April 1974 and is designed
to build ships upto 85,000 DWT. Tenders
for construction of this dock have been
received and are under evaluation.

Butter Oil imported by Delhi Milk
Scheme

2967. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the total quantity of butter oil
imported by the Delhi Milk Scheme during
the last two years country-wise-and the cost
thereof;

(b) the life of this commodity and the
use to which it is being put;

(c) the quantity of butter-oil as on the
1st July, 1972 held in stock by the D.M.S.
and the manner in which it is being pre-
served; and

(d) how it is proposed to consume it
and the period in which the entire quantity
will be consumed 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH): (a) During the period
1.7 70 to 30.6.72, Delhi Milk Scheme
received through Indian Dairy Corporation,
Baroda 1.701 tonnes of imported butter oil
at a cost of about Rs. 1.65 crores. The
country-wise breakup of the imported butter
oil has not been recorded by Delhi Milk
Scheme

(b) The keeping quality of butter oil is
about 6 months to one year in sealed tins,
if kept in cold storage. The butter oil is
being used by D.M S. for recombination of
Milks.

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(c) The qty. of butter oil in stock of
D.M.S. as on 1-7-72 was 81.8675 Tonnes.
Butter oil is kept in DMS in the cold
storage.

(d) Butter oil is used alongwith fresh
milk for the production of standardised and
toned milk. Generally butter oil is received
by Delhi Milk Scheme fortnightly from
Indian Dairy Corporation and the stocks are
utilised within 2 months.

Inadequate supply of water in *L’ and
4 M’ Blocks of Sarojini Nagar,

New Delhi

2968. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 6845 on
the 22nd May, 1 1972 regarding scarcity of
water supply in ‘L' and ( M’ Blocks, Sarojini
Nagar, New Delhi and state :

(a) whether he is aware that since
March last, not a trickle of water is coming
in the lavatories in these blocks thus causing
considerable inconvenience apart from
causing health hazards to the allottees;

(b) whether the water supply in the
day too is hardly sufficient to meet the bare
needs for daily use; and

(c) if so, time which is likely to be
taken to ensure adequate supply of water
both for lavatories and other daily use to
the allottees in these two Blocks ?

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes,
Sir. Due to low pressure in the water
mains maintained by the New Delhi Muni-
cipal Committee, water does not reach the
overhead takes during the summer months.

(b) and (c). There is no difficulty of
water supply for the ground floor flats of L
& M Blocks to meet the daily needs. The
first floor flats also get water supply but for
a lesser number of hours depending upon
the pressure in the water mains of the New
Delhi Municipal Committee. The work of
providing separate distribution lines to the

first floor flats, in replacement of the existing
t omraon connections to the both the ground
floor and the first floor flats in the hand and
is likely to be completed shortly. On comple-
tion of this work, water supply to the first
floor flats will improve to some extent.
Further improvement will take place when
the New Delhi Municipal Committee would
connect the dead ends of the water supply
distribution cricuit which work is expected
to be completed by them within a period of
about 2 months.

Allotment of Government Accommodation

at the time of Retirement and during
Ke-Employmeot in ondertaking

2969. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
1NG be pleased to state:

(a) the guidelines laid down for the
allotment of Government accommodation in
Delhi/New Delhi to the Officers on deputa-
tion to the various Central Government
undertakings or those who happen to occupy
Government accommodation at the time of
retirement and continue to occupy it even
after their retirement and during re-employ'
ment in the Undertakings;

(b) the rate at which rent is recovered
from this class of Officers;

(c) whether he would lay on the Table
a statement showing the names of such
Officers who continue to occupy Govern-
ment accommodation during their re-employ-
ment in a Government undertaking as on
the 1st July, 1972 and the period upto which
they have been/will be permitted to retain
such accommodation; and

(d) whether Government propose to
review their policy, in this behalf ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and
(b). According to the existing policy, offi-
cers on deputation to Central Government
undertakings are not eligible for allotment
of general poo] accommodation. The
Central Government employees, who had
gone on deputation to various public under-

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192

likings prior to the 16th December, 1966
tnd were in occupation of general pool
accommodation, have been allowed to retain
that accommodation agaiost payment of
licence fee at market rates by the undertak-
ing concerned. The employees; who have
gone on deputation to such undertakings on
or after the 16th December, 1966, are not
eligible to retain the accommodation in their
occupation beyond the concessional period
admissible under the rules. Government
servants, who happened to be in occupation
of general pool accommodation at the time
of retirement, are not entitled to retain the
same on their re-employment in public
undertakings.

(c) Only one officer, re-employed in
Public undertaking namely, Shri T. K.
Balasubramamam, has been pemitted to
retain Government Accommodation allotted
to him when he was in service, upto 16th
October, 1972.

(d) There is no proposal at present
under consideration to review the existing
policy .

Restriction on supply of the Ghee from
D-M.S. Stall in Parliament House

2970. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme
have rationed/restricted or proposed to
ration/restrict the supply of Ghee at the
P. H. Milk Stall to the M. Ps.;

(b) if so, the scale fixed per mensem
and the reasons for resorting to this step;

(c) the monthly capacity of D.M.S to
manufacture Ghee both in the lean and
flush periods and to what extent it is being
utilised; and

(d) the steps taken or proposed to be
taken to augment the supply of ghee which
has got a ready market in the capital ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Efforts are

made by Delhi Milk Scheme to meet fully
the requirements of ghee to M Ps. through
the Parliament House Milk Stall. However,
during the lean summer season, there is a
decline in the availability of fresh milk with
the result that the manufacture of ghee has
to be curtailed considerably. During this
period, the supply of ghee to M. Ps. is

regulated by Delhi Milk Scheme according
to the availability of surplus fat from time
to time.

(c) Delhi Milk Scheme has the manu-
facturing capacity of about 8 tonnes of
ghee per day. However, the actual produc-
tion of ghee depends upon the availability
of surplus fat after meeting the liquid milk
requirements of the Delhi citizens. During
the flush winter season of 1971-72, as
against the Plant capacity to manufacture
1464 tonnes of ghee in 183 days of flush
period, 285.625 tonnes of ghee could only
be manufactured due to inadequate availabi-
lity of surplus fresh milk. The quantity of
ghee manufactured during the lean summer
months is much less and is depending upon
the reduced availability of surplus fat, from
time to time.

(d) Delhi Milk Scheme is primarily
concerned with meeting the liquid milk
requirements of Delhi citizens. The manu-
facture of bye products like ghee is under-
taken as and when there is surplus fat avail-
able with the Scheme. Delhi Milk Scheme
is continuing its efforts to increase the
procurement of fresh liquid milk.

Memorandum on fall in Price of
arecanut in States

2971. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
any memorandum from the Arecanut gro-
wers of Kerala, Mysore and other States
about the steep fall in the price of Arcca-
nnt; and

(b) if so, the steps Govamment propose
to taken in the matter to ensure the arecanut
growers a fair price for their produce 7

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The various issues raised in the
memoranda are being examined and the
matter is under consideration of Go vern-
ment.

Employees of ICAR

2972. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to stale :

(a) the total number of employees work-
ing in the I.C.A R. and their sta'us,

(b) whether these employees belong to an
autonomous body or a Government Depart-
ment in view of the judgements of two diffe-
rent High Courts on writ petitions praying
for a clear statement of the status of the
staff of the ICAR ,

(d) Government’s reaction thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The re-
quisite information is being collected and
will be placed on the Table of the Sabha
as soon as possible.

(b) Statement giving the required infor-
mation is enclosed.

(i) Civil Writ Petition No 266-D/66-
Shri Rulya Ram V/s Union of
India— in the Circuit Bench of
Punjab High Court at Delhi;

(ii) Civil Writ Petition No. 788 of
1970 — Shri Partul Chandra Tha-
kur V/s Union of India and
others-in the High Court of Delhi
at New Delhi; and

(iii) Civil Wiit Petitions No. 88 to 91
of 1971 — Shri G. N. Asthana and
others V/s Union of India and
otheis — m the High Court of
Delhi at New Delhi.

will be laid on the Table of the House in
due course. Letters Patent Appeals Nos. 81
and 82 of 1972 have been admitted against
the judgements referred to in (in) above
and are now pending disposal in the Hon*
ble High Court of Delhi at New Delhi.

(d) As the matter is sub-judice, Govern-
ment have no comments to make at present.

Statement

(b) Id terms of the Government Reso-
lutions constituting the Indian Council of
Agricultural Research, the Council, on its
institutional side, was set up as a society in
1929 and registered under the Societies
Registration Act oi 1860, but its Secretariat
was, to start with Constituted as a regular
Department of *hc Government and subse-
quently as an Attached Office of the Depart-
ment of Agriculture with effect from
lMh January, 1939. The staff comprised of
Government servants and the expenditure
on the Secretariat was met from the Central
Revenues. Till the year 1940, the Indian
Council of Agricultural Research Secretariat
comprised almost entirely of the servants of
the Government of India, though some iso-
lated clerical posts came to be created out
of the Research Funds alongwith the re-
search schemes for looking after the cleri-
cal and accounts work. After the year
1947, due to un overall increa se in the acti-
vities of the Council and the inability of
the Gpvcrnmenl to provide the requisite
staff, additional staff was employed by the
Council, from year to year, financed from
its Research Funds. In this way, there
came into existence a large number of minis-
terial staff and some scientific and technical
staff appointed by ih e Council, side by side
with the staff provided by the Government
of India in the Indian Council of Agricul-
tural Research Secretariat.

In 1963, the Government of India
approved of the reorganisation of the Indian
Council of Agricultural Research as a Cen-
tral agency for conducting, promoting, guid-

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ing and coordinating agricultural research
and education in the country. Amongst
others, the Governing decided that : —

(i) administrative control of the vari-
ous Central Research Institutes and
Centres directly administered by
the Departments of Food and
Agriculture should be transferred
to the Indian Council of Agricul-
ture Research Society,

(ii) the Indian Council of Agricultural
Research Society should also
assume administrative control of
the Commodity Research Institutes
consequent to the dissolution of
the erstwhile Central Commodity
Committees, and

(iii) the Indian Council of Agricultural
Research should have its own Sec-
retariat and Office.

In implementation o f the above decisions
the administrative control of the Central
Research Institutes mentioned in (i) above,
was transferred to the I C.A R. Society by
the Government of India in a phased pro-
gramme commencing from 1st April, 1966.
The Government staff employed at these
Institutes was served with oplion documents
for service under the ICAR. Society on
certain terms and conditions decided upon.
Such of the Government s»aff as have opted
for the Council’s service, have been appoin-
ted in the service of the Society. As legards
those who have not yet opted for the Coun-
cil’s service, they are being treated on
Foreign Service with the Society.

The I.C.A.R Society also took over a
part of the staff of the Central Commodity
Committees, including the staff employed at
the Commodity Research Institutes, men-
tioned in (n) above

As regards (in) above, it was decided
to convert the I C A R. Secretariat, which
has been functioning as an Attached Office
of the Department of Agriculture, into an
ofTice wholly controlled and financed by the
I.C.A.R. Society. Option documents were,
therefore, served on the scientific, technical

and Class IV staff employed in the Indian
C ouncil of Agricultural Research Secretariat.

No option papers were served on the senior
administrative staff in the Indian Council
of Agricultural Research Secretariat. As
regards ministerial staff such as Section
Officers, Assistants, Stenographers, Upper
Division Clerks and Lower Division Clerks,
it was decided that since they were members
of the respective Central Secretariat Services,
borne on the unified cadre of the Depart-
ment of Agriculture, and were interchangea-
ble, option documents should be served on
the above staff borne on the cadre of the
Department of Agriculture, including its
Attached Offices; subject to the condition
that the Indian Council of Agricultural
Research will not accept more optees that
the number of Government posts in the
Indian Council of Agricultural Research
Secretariat.

Such of the staff as have opted for the
Society’s service, have been appointed in
the s e rvice of the Society. Other Govern-
ment staff working in the I.C A.R. Secre-
tariat, which is in the process of being con-
verted into a non -Government office, con-
tinue to be Government staff

Besides, such of the persons as have
been recruited by the I.C A.R Society, after
commencement of reorganisation, either at
the Research Institutes or at the Head-
quarters of the Indian Council of Agucul-
tural Research, are the employees of the
Society, excepting those whose service have
been taken on deputation foreign service.

Survey of system and pattern of Secon-
dary Education in West Bengal

2973. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the National Council of
Educational Research and Training, New
Delhi, recently conducted a survey of the
system and pattern of secondary education
in West Bengal; and

(b) if so, the main findings and recom-
mendations thereof 7

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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) No , Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Crash Programme for eradication of
Illiteracy during 25th year of
Independence

2974. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
consideration to initiate a crash programme
to eradicate illiteracy during the 25th year
of Independence through the National ser-
vice scheme;

(b) if so, the mam features of the pro-
posal; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. R\M\-
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Main features of the project are
that National Service Scheme Volunteers
will organise literacy drive with the help of
local volunteers in selected aieas.

Financial Assistance to Non Hindi
speaking States for Hindi Education

2975. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to slate
whether any request from the Government
of Kerala for the expansion of the scope
of the centrally sponsored scheme of appoint-
ment of Hindi teachers to cover pic-Um-
versity and prc-Degree classes has been
received and if so, the decisions thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA-

SWAMY) : Yes, Sir. However, due to
lack of resources it will not be possible
during ihe Fcuiih Five Year Plan to extend
the scope of the Centrally Sponsored
Scheme relating to the appointment of
Hindi Teachers is non-Hindi speaking States
to cover pre-Univcrsity and pre-Degree
classes. The Government of Kerala have
been informed accordingly.

Amminia Cracker-Cuin-Burner Equip-
ment for Kandla-Kaiol Fertilizer
Complex in Gujarat ordered
from a British Firm

2976. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a huge Ammonia Cracker-
cum Burner Equipment to be installed at
the Kandla-Kibl Fertilizer Complex in
Gujarat, has recently been ordered from a
British Finn, Messers Wellmen Incandescent
Furnace Company, S-nethwich;

(b) if so, the cost and functions of this
plant equipment and when it is likely to
start functioning m India,

Id) the reason why this equipment
could not be fabricated in India, when India
has the know how ?

THE MI NISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHbB P. SHINDE) : (a) M/s.

Humphreys & Glasgow Ltd. (London) who
are one of (he contractors of 1FFCO are
importing an Ammonia Cracker-cum- Burner
for installation in the urea plant at Kalol.

(b) The estimated cost of the equip-
ment included m the lumpsum contract ii
£ 20,000. The exact amount would be
known only after the import of the equip-
ment. The lunction of this equipment is to
supply inert gas (nitrogen) for safe start-up
and shut-down of the plant. The inert gas
would also be used tor the plant preparation
prior to maintenance. This equipmeat

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Written Answers 200

which is part of the urea plant will start
functioning when the plant is commissioned
in March, 1974, according to present
schedule.

(c) Indian Explosives Ltd., Kanpur,
the unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of
India at Durgapur and Gujarat State Ferti-
lizers Corporation, Baroda are some of the
fertilizer plants which have installed ammonia
cracker equipment for production of inert
gas. It is understood that the working of
the plants is satisfactory where these was
package import and that it is unsatisfactory
where part of the equipment was fabricated
locally.

(d) The import of equipment was
allowed only after the procedure prescribed
by the Directorate General of Technical
Development was followed and there was no
response to the advertisement in recommen-
ded trade journals.

Report of Indian Study Team appointed

to observe Structure and Functioning
of Social Welfare Machinery
in Britain

2977. SHR I S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have received
the report of the Indian Study Team which
was appointed to observe the structure and
functioning of the Social Welfare Machinery
m Britain;

(b) if so, the main recommendations
and conclusions in that report; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHR1 K. S. RAMA-
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The team recommended the follow-
ing social security measures to be included
in the Fifth Five Year Plan : —

(i) Relief in the from of income to
persons in total distress ;

(a) All aged persons over the age of
65 with no means of livelihood;

(b) All orphans;

(d) All windows during the first 12
month of their widowhood;
and

(e) All widows with childern upto
the time their children leave
school.

(ii) The institutions providing relief
should be rapidly expanded in
scope and size of operations ;

(a) Homes for the aged;

(b) Orphanages,

(d) Day care cenlres, and

(e) Training Centres & Homes for
the Handicapped.

(in) The existing nutritional services to
chi Idem ot the age group 0 to 6
should be expanded to cover at
least 25% of the childern. The
school lunch programme should
also be similarly stepped up.

(iv) The public health services should
be expanded so as to bring them
much nearer to the requirments of
the population.

Britain has achieved, in a broad
sense, a minimum standard of living
for its citizens. The study of the
social secunty measures in U. K.
cannot, however, serve as a model
but it can certainly help in assigning
priorities to various services as also
in tackling different elements which
form the core of social services in
India.

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for Interim Relief ( CA )

Meeting of Health State Secretaries

2978. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a meeting of the Health
State Secretaries and administrative medical
Officers was held recently in Delhi;

(b) whether that meeting discussed
proposals for providing better rural health
services; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF.
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) Yes.

Cujranwa’a Louse Building Co-operative
Society, Delhi

2979. SHRI DHAN SHAN
PRADHAN: Will the Minister of WORKS
AND HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether any complaints have been
received against the Gujranwala House
Building Co-operative Society, Delhi in the
matter of allotment of plots, revision of
lay-out plan, handling of funds particularly
the so called development fund' and refund
of excess amount to those members of the
Society who had paid for large plots but
have been allotted smaller plots;

(b) if so, the nature of those comp-
laints and the action taken in the matter
or proposed to be taken;

(cj whether any enquiry has been
ordered in the matter; and

(d) if so, the result thereof and if not,
the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b) .
Ceitain complaints were made by ths mem-
bers of this society that they were not being
allotted plots according to the category for
which they were enrolled. Subsequently
they withdrew the complaints and the society
allotted plots to the members in the various
categories strictly according to their seniority
in each category.

12.05 hrs.

RE : MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose—

MR. SPEAKER : I will take up the
adjournment motion after the call-attention.

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : According to Rule 60. . .

MR. SPEAKER : I am going accord-
ing to the rules and directions. ( Interruption )

SHR[ JYOTIRMOY BOSU : According
to Rule 60, the adjournment motion is to be
taken up immediately after questions and
before the list of business is taken up. But
if you want to modify it by your direction...

MR. SPEAKER ; But, after we had
gone through the Calliag Attention. This
is the procedure we have followed for many
years. There is nothing new.

12.06 hrs.

CALLING ATTENTION TO
MATTER OF URGENT

PUBLIC IMPORTANCE

RBPORTED DEMAND OF CEMENT
WORKERS FOR INTERIM

relief

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA-
PATRA (Balasore) : I call the attention of

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AUGUST 21, 1972 Demend for Interim Relief (CA) 204

the Minister of Labour and Rehabilitation
to the following matter of urgent public
importance and request that he may make a
statement thereon :

‘The reported demand of cement wor-
kers for interim relief and Govern-
ment’s reaction thereto.*

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K.
KHADILKAR) : Wages ofcenent workers
have been revised on two occasions in the
past on an industry-w»se basis, through the
agency of tripartite Wage Boards. The first
Wage Board was set up in 1958. At that
time thero was no uniformity in the wages
paid to cement workers at various places.
The system of dearness allowance also
differed from place to place. As a result
of the recommendations of the First Wage
Board, a standardised wage structure came
into existence This meant a substantial
increase over the then prevailing wages anc
in some cases it exceeded Rs. 25/- per
month. Moreover, payment of dearness
allowance was linked to the cost of living
index.

A Second Wage Board for the Cement
Industry was set up in September, 1964,
Unfortunately, its report was not unani-
mous. After discussions with the represen-
tatives of employers and workers, Govern-
ment decided to accept the recommendations
subject to some modifications. It was also
decided that the recommendations of the
Wage Board, as accepted by Government,
should remain in operation for a period of
5 years. As a result of the Second Wage
Board's recommendations, the workers were
to get a guaranteed increase ranging from
Rs. 10/- to Rs. 32.50 per month for diffe-
rent categories of workers.

Though the present wage structure, based
on the recommendations of the Second
Wage Board is to be operative upto the
12th February, 1973, the cement workers
started making demands from March, 1972
for a further wage revision and payment
of interim relief. The workers’ demand
was that their wages bs raised to the same
level as that of the Jteel workers who got

a minimum wa ge of Rs. 240/- p.m. from
1 st September, ] 970 as a result of the bila-
teral ne gotiations with the employers. The
employers’ contention is that any increase
in wages must be accompanied by an in-
crease in the retention price of cement. In
this connection, I would like to mention
that on 28th April, 1972, Government has
made a reference to the Tariff Commi ssion
for a comprehensive review of the cement
industry, including the question of fair ex-
works price payable to the producers. The
question of wage-increase was discussed
between the pasties and in this process they
were assisted by the Chief Labour Commis-
sioner (Central). No agreement could how-
ever be reached and a notice of a strike
from 12th July 1972 was served by the
Unions. I intervened at this stage and on
my assurance that a meeting would be held
with the representatives of employers and
workers to discuss the issues involved, the
strike was postponed.

At the meeting which I held with the
representatives of the workers and employers
on 1 1th July, 1972 in New Delhi, it was
agreed to set up a Joint Wage Negotiating
Committee consisting of the representative*
of employers and workers, to consider the
question of interim relief as well as the final
wage structure for the Industry The Wage
Negotiating Committee met in Bombay on
27th July, 1972 but unfortunately, the nego-
tiations did not succeed because of the
divergent stands taken by the employers and
workes. The various workers’ organisa-
tions represented on the Negotiating
Committee theieupon decided to go ahead
with the geneial strike m the industry with
effect from 17th August, 1972. I, therefore,
requested the President, Cement Manufac-
turer’s Association and the President,
Indian National Cement and Allied Workers
Federation to meet me on the 16th August
1972 so that some way may be found out
to settle the dispute. After a day-long dis-
cussion and in consultation with the Minis-
ter of Industrial Development, I proposed
that an interim relief of Rs. 20/- might be
paid to the workers from 1st July, 1972 and
that a five-year wage settlement may be
signed on the basis of a total wage of
Rs. 230/- per month payable from the 1st
February, 1973. I also proposed that
matters like annual increments, rate of
neutralisation from 1st February, 1973 etc.

205 Cement Workers * SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Demand for Interim Relief ( CA ) 2 06

could be discussed and settled later. Despite
this the strike in the cement industry
commenced on 1 7th A'ljut, 1972. I have,
however, not given uo my efforts to find a
solution and have called the representatives
of both employers and workers to meet me
again on the 21st August, that is, today.

I hope that a mutually acceptable solution
will be found and that the strike will be
called off soon .

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHAPATRA :
After the statement of the hon. Minister,
that he has called the union leaders today
on the 21st of August, 1972, for talks. I
must consider myself to be really very for-
tunate that what we discuss today will cer-
tainly impress him to the extenr that he will
agree to the demands of the workers.

Sir, out of 54 cement industries in our
country, workers in 52 industries are on
strike It is one of the basic industries in
the country like steel.

The production of cement every day in
the country is 40,000 tonnes. The earning
is Rs. one croie per day.

With this strike of 5 days, you can well
imagine, we have lost Rs. 5 cr>res.

Sir, v is a very serious situ ition. I call
the atten ion of the hon. Mm ster to the
fact that not one union alone .ias called a
strike. But there are as many as 7 large
unions which are involved in this strike.
All these 7 unions have given the call for a
strike. Even the C1TU which is an organ of
the CPM is one of the co-sponsors of the
strike. Thus, we cannot certainly say that
workers have gone on strike without consi-
dering the pros and cons.

When all the unions are involved in this
manner, the Mi nster is expected to probe
into the matter an 1 see as to why the wor-
kers went into the strike, particularly, at
this juncture when the country is passing
through a transition.

We find from the newspapers that there
is strike in one industry or the other every
day.

Already in Bombay there is the civic
workers* strike. There is already a rumbl-

ing in the Food Corporation of India. The
strike in Khetri mines lasted more than a
month. Throughout the country agitations
are taking place on the bonus issue. Mr.
Khadilkar has given an assurance that the
minimum bonus of 8 33 par cent should be
paid to all the wo kers. If this is not
agreed to by the emloysrs there will ba
country wide agitation in the eitire sub-
continent.

Sir, the industrialists in the cement
industry have earned a lot, depriving the
workers of their legitimate dues. The mini-
mum wage in the steel industry is Rs. 240.
The Cement workers have demanded that
their wages should be brought on par with
the steel workers. There is nothing wrong
in it. The steel prices were twice revised
giving the industry a price rise of over
Rs 100 per tonne. Out of this Rs. 30 was
meant for wage increase only. Now, here,
in the case of Cement industry, the Govern-
ment is prepared to giv: to the Cement
industry only Rs. 2 per tonne against the
price increase of Rs 4 per tonne, needed
for paying the increased wage If Rs. 240
was considered for the steel workers, 1 do
not understand why in the cement industry
the workers shauld not get the minimum of
Rs. 230.

The cement Workers had deferred the
strike by one month on the reqeust of the
hon. Minister When they could defer the
strike ty one month on the request of the
hon. Minister, what stood in tne way of
the hon. Minister in persuading them to
defer it by another one month so that he
could discuss and settle the matter 7 The
hon. Minister is very optimistic. He says
in the last paragraph of his statement that :

“I have, however, not given up my
efforts to find a solution and have called
representatives of both the employers
and workers to meet me again on the
21st. 1 hope that a mutually acceptable

solution will be found out.”

If he is so much optimistic, we offer our
thanks to him. But why has he not been
able to impress on the workers so that the
country could have been saved of at least
Rs. 5 crores till this moment ?

The position is very critical now,
because the workers are demanding an

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[Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra]

interim relief. Whsthsr ths interim relief
should be Rs. 70 or it should be Rs 20 is
a question which can be cinii Is red bilate-
rally. But the question definitely is very
important. My question to the hon.
Minister is this. May I know whether he
will be in touch immediately with the union
leaders to settle the dispute to the satis-
faction of both the parties, and whether he
will see to it that there is no victimisation
of the workers and that the workers will get
their wages during the strike period, which
is very important.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I have
already stated in the concluding part of my
statement, I had invited the representatives
of the employers and the workers, and 1
have met them since nine o' clock in the
morning, and the differences are considerably
nan owed down. 1 hope that we shall be
able to reach a settlement by this evening.
But important considerations are involved
in this strike. For, if every industry were
to ask for a linkage with steel, it will be a
sort of wage inflation, which is not justified
m the present context of the situation.
Content industry is a village-based industry.
That aspect also must be kept in mind
Keeping these things in mind, we are consi-
dering the interim and the final relief, and
how to link it up with the index so that
some sort of . . .

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA (Alipore) :
It is a village-based industry ?

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : Almost
all the cement factories are in the villages.
This makes a lot of difference.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : So are the steel factories in
the villages.

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : I must
sa> that these three points are there, namely
what should be the interim relief, how it
should be linked up and to which index and
what should be the rate of neutralisation.

I hope that the difficulties will be overcome.

But one thing I am insisting, so far as
the interim relief is concerned, is that the
industry should find the interim relief from
their own resources instead of taxing the
consumer.

THRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : At
the very outset, I should congratulate the
75,000 cement workers who have gone on
strike against the arrogant attitude of the
millowners who have earned fabulous profits
during the last fifteen or twenty years. It
is really very heaienmg that the hon. Labour
Minister has taken pains to meet the union
representatives in order to arrive at a
negotiated settlement. But this is not the
first time that this kind of thing has happened.
Those who are Controlling the cement
industry are a Powerful bloc, and they have
always linked up the price of cement with the
increase in wages. This time also, before
they agree to pay the interim relief, whether
it be Rs. 20 according to the hon. Minister
or a higer interim relief as demanded by all
the unions, they are trying to persuade or
rather pressurise the Government to increase
the price of cement. The hon . Minister
has said that the linking of interim relief or
any wage increase with steel will result in
moie inflation Wage increase is not the
whole cause of inflation. As ihe House
and the country knows, Government are
also responsible for this inflation because of
their deficit financing.

That has been agreed here. So the
workers should not be held responsible for
the inflation in the country because they are
aski ng for more wages. Every workr in every
industry is asking for a wage increase
because this Government has miserably
failed to hold the price line and reduce the
prices to a reasonable level. Even after ail
the assurances given in this House 15 or
20 days ago, you will agree with me that
the prices have not decreased in any
commodity. The prices of all essential
commodities have gone up and the Govern-
ment remains a silent spectator of its own
sorrow and shame.

When recently the textile workers in
Kanpur refused a one rupee increase, the
employers ultimately agreed to give an
interim relief of Rs. 30 at the instance of
the Chief Minister and because a strike took
place on the 17th of last month in which
40,000 employees took part. In this case,
a paltry sum of Rs. 20 is being given to
them. It is said here that this is a five-
year agreement and this Rs. 20 will be
Jinked up to Rs. 230 per month. Jn these

209 Cement Workers' SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Demand for Interim Relit f(CA) 210

five years, the cement manufacturers will
have earned crores of rupees but the
worker's wage will remain at Rs. 230 for
five years.

I would like to know what is the
demand of the workers now and what have
they demanded in today's meeting, is it a
fact that they do not agree to Rs. 20 and
are not prepared to sign an agreement for
five years unless this is linked up with steel
wages, not arising out of the Wage Board
recommendations but arising out of the
tripartite arrangement which my hon, friend,
the Minister of Steel, arrived at by dis-
cussions across the table ?

In case the employers do not agree to
the proposals given by the hon Minister,
what further steps will be taken against
them? The DIR and MISA and oiher
obnoxious and pernicious pieces of legislation
are being used against employees, but what
will be done to the employers if they emplo-
yers if they do not agree ? If it is left to
the employees and employers, the employees
will be able to fight it out and extract
Rs. 50 or Rs 60 as interim relief, if police
are not sent in aid of the employees.

My question is whether the price increase
already agreed to will be in the interest of
the consumer. It will be wrong to agree to
this increase in price, what is Government’s
proposal after hearing the employees' repre-
sentatives at the meeting at 9 A.M today ?
Will Government assure us that the five-year
agreement will not be forced upon them but
it should be for not more than two years
because prices are going up every day due
to Government's miserable failure to hold
the price line ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I
have made it clear in my statement, the
question of the ex-factory price is before the
Tariff Commission. So there is no increase
in the ex-factory price and it does not figure
in these negotiations.

So far as the five year period is con-
cerned, when wage is linked with the index,
I think it is a reasonable proposition to
keep peace in industry so that automatically
when prices rise neutralisation takes place.
So nobody should object to that.

So faT as their demands are concernd*
this is a matter which the Ministry of
Industrial Development will have to consider
because we cannot on our own take any
decision . Whatever offer is made is made
after full consultation with the Ministry of
Industrial Development Here also I am
trying my best to narrow down the
differences and see that some settlement is
reached.

I would like to inform the House that
one good thing has taken place. When we
formed the National Council of Trade
Unions, they had come lo some agreement
that even if there is a strike, essential services
and critical sectors will be kept out of it.

I am glad to say that the INTUC and
AITUC have informed their constituents m
the factories to keep essential services
running, and do not allow certain critical
parts of the factoues entirely to be closed.
That is a good development. ( Interruption )

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What was
the dem ind made by the employees ? Seven
representatives here What was the
demand placed by them today, and in the
case the employers do not agree, what will
the Government do ?

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : This is
just anticipating failure. As I said earlier,
the demand and offer have narrowed down
and if I say just now anything, that will
give rise to a further debate. (Interruption)

MR. SPEAKFR : Mr. Banerjee has
repeated his question again : the question
is, what was their demand.

SHRJ Rt K FHADILKAR : Their
demand was, to be very plain, rather fan-
tastic, because, they wanted linkage in every
respect with steel. This is one thing. So
far as the interim relief 19 concerned, from
Rs. 30, they want Rs. 70 from the 1st of
January, 1972. Therefore, I used that word
‘fantastic’. Now, they have come round to
a reasonable frame of mind. Therefore, I
do not want to say anything at this
juncture.

SHRI S„ M. BANERJEE : D#n't you
think that by this time the profits of the
employers have also gone up? (Interruption)

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AUGUST 21, 1972 demand for interim relief 212

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Heiry Austin
absent. Shri Raja Kulkarni.

SRRI RAJA KULKARNI fBombay —
North-East) : The nation wide sti ike in the
cement industry from the 17ih August is
most justified and a proper action has been
taken by the workers as a last resort. Now,
in the statement that was just now read out
and in the offer given by the Labour Minis-
ter in his statement, he has not stated the
attitude of the employers. My hon friends
in this House have stated that this strike has
been due to the negative and unhelpful
attitude adopted by the cement employers in
the country. Therefore, if theie is any loss
of production in cement in the country, the
responsibility is squarely on the shoulders
of the cement employers and on the incapa-
city of the Government's machinery to
settle the dispute immediately.

The workers have responded to the
meetings that were called by the Labour
Minister. Even today, this morning also,
ihey met the Minister. I am told he has
again called them this evening. They are
prepared to meet. What is the demand ? I
am surprised at th: Labour Minister’s state-
ment that the demands were fantastic The
demands were never fantastic I was also
surprised at the Labour Ministers’ chirae-
terisation of the s;r/i:e cultivis i.i the
cement industry wiei can aired to the
steel industry He said that this being a
village-based md ist y, there has to be a
big gap betvveen the service condmans and
the emoluments in the cenant industry aid
those in the steel industry.

I would like to mf arm the Haus; that
prior to the wage increase ip the steel in J 15 -
try, the minimum wage an 1 the total emo-
luments in the cement industry were higher
than those in the steel industry. If the
Government is now gong to tell the cement
workers that “you were getting mare than
the steel workers and you should now get
much less,” what will htppen *> Wnat have
the cement workers de nin Jed ? The cement
workers have demanded pirity In fae:, the
cement workers are getting Rs 60 to 70
less than what the steel workers are getting.
The minimum wage in the steel injuslry
was Rs. 240 at the index of 183 At this
moment, the minimum wage in the steel
industry is about Rs. 259 or Rs. 260. Wnat

is the minimum wage today in the cement
industry ? It is Rs. 189. There is a big
gap. What they are asking is, * formerly,
we were getting more than those in the steel
industry, and at least bring 11 s on parity
with them.” What is the demand ? Now
they wanted an interim relief. Even in the
interim this gap was to be filled. They were
prepared. Are the employers agreeable to
Rs 20 ? He has not said anything. He
is urging on the trade union leaders to
accept Rs. 20. They cannot accept Rs. 20.
They had come round, as he has said, with
at least an interim relief of Rs. 30. The
whole gap has to be filled at least because
in the steel industry when joint settlement
took place the interim relief was Rs. 33.
Cement workers are prepared to settle on
an inlerm relief of Rs 30 instead of Rs. 33
which was given there. In the final settle-
ment the steel workers got Rs. 67 increase.
They want between Rs. 60 and 67 as the
final thing 1 think that the demand is
most reasonable The rate of dearness
allowance, neutralisation rate also it is on
parity they are working with the steel
workers The offer which has been made
is less. The Labour Minister should revise
his pioposals and bring round the employers
which will be in the interest of the nation
instead of putting any blame on the trade
union leaders.

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : There is
no question of putting any blame or appor-
tioning it. The contention of the hon.
Member is right in this sense that if the
cement manufactures had taken up the
workers’ demand seriously they could have
settled it very early because they placed the
demand in last March and they revived it
again. Naturally they expected that what-
ever the increase it must be borne by the
consumer and Government should come to
their help by increasing the prices and give
them a price-rise. Therefore they were all
the time postponing the final conclusion.

We are clinching the issue. As I have
said earlier, whatever the Government or
the tariff board decides, I have nothing to
do. But my efforts will be that this burden
as far as possible should not be passed on
to the consumer and if it is to be passed on,
it must be the minimum. Therefore I
wnii’d assu-e the Hiusi and the hon.
Menber that I shall see that a just settle-
ment is w arkei out, which will give some
sort of satiation to the workers.

213 Papers Laid

SRAVANA 30, 1*94 (SAKA)

Papers Laid

214

12.34 hrs.

MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT

SHAHDARA INCIDENTS AND ALLEGED
POLICE ATRROCUEfiS

MR. SPEAKER : I shall take up the
adjournment motions. I have to inform the
House that I have received notice of seven
adjournment motions regarding Shada^a
incidents, and I shall read them in the order
of time in which they were received : from
Shri S. M. Banerjee, Shn Dinen Bhatta-
charyya, Shri K Manoharan, Shn Dasaratha
Deb. Shri Jaganatharao Joshi, Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu and Shri Samar Mukherjee.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Pa'an) ■ 1

have also given notice of an adjournment
motion.

MR. SPEAKER : It must have been
given late. We can add your name also if
it is there. Understand that it came mu:h
later than the time prescribed. Anyway
you can also speak later on. The first is
from Shn S. M. Bmerjee and it says :

“Unprecedented police atrocities result-
ing in the killing of a Home Guard
staff officer, police firing and lathi
charge seriously injuring more than 301)
persons at Shahdara and Government’s
failure to check the same.”

I have given my consent to the moving
of the adjournment motion Shri S. M.
Banerjee may now ask for leave of the
house.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :

I beg leave of the House to move the ad-
journment motion.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : Sir, we object
to this motion; 1 regret to report
the occurrence of these unfortunate incidents
following the alleged murder of one Shri
Ookar Singh in the area of Shahdara police
station on the 18th instant. A serious law
and order situation arose on the 19th morn-
ing and continued intermittently on the 20th.

The situation in Shahdara is returning to
normal. Government have decided to
institute a judical inquiry into all the inci-
dents other than the alleged murder itself.
The House will appreciate that such an
Inquiry should not concern itself with the
invevtigations already in progress in accor-
dance with the Jaw in regard to the alleged
murder. Government expect that the
investigation should be completed most
expeditiously. *

MR. SPEAKER : Those who are in
favour of leave being granted may aplease
get up in their seats.

I am sorry there are 47 members only
in favour.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : If the count-
ing had taken place at 12 O’clock, more
would have been there. For instance, Mr
Samar Guha is not here now.

AN HON. MEMBER : He has come.

MR SPEAKER : Even then, it is only
48. I am sorry. Leave is not granted.
Papers to be laid.

12-37 hrs

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE
audited ACCOUNTS OF committee

FOR CONTROLLING AND SUPERVISING
EXPERIMENTS ON ANIMALS, BOMBAY

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
M1NISTERY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : 1 beg to lay on the

Table a copy of the Audited Accounts
(Hindi and English versions) of the Com-
nrttee for the purpose of Controlling and
Supervising Experiments on Animals,
Bombay,* for the ^ear 1970-71 together with
the Audit Report thereon, under sub-rule
(4) of Rule 24 of the Committee for
Controlling and Supervising Experiments on
Animals (Administration) |Rules, 1965.
[ Places in Library. See No. LT-3443/72.]

ANNUAL RFPORT OF TECHNICAL
TEACHERS TRAINING INSTITUTE
(WESTERN REGION), BHOpAL

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND

215 General Insurance Business AUGUST
(Nationalisation) Bill

SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D.

P. YADAV) : I beg to lay on the Table
a copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and
English versions) of the Technical Teachers’
Training Institute (Western Region), Bhopal,
for the year 1970-71. [Placed in Library .
See. No. LT-3444/72.]

supplementary statements on
FLOOD SITUATION

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION

AND POWER (SHRI B. N.
KUREEL) : 1 beg to Jay on the Table a
Supplementary statement on the flood
situation in the country. [Placed in Library
See. No. LT-3445/72.]

12.38 hrs.

statement on market borrow-
ings during 1972-73

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Sir, I beg
to lay on the Table a statement on market
borrowings during 1972-73’ [Placed in
Library. See No. LT -3447/72.]

12-38£ hrs.

CONVICTION OF MEMBER

MR. SPEAKER : I have to inform
the House that I have received the following
wireless message, dated the 19th August,
1972, from the Magistrate, Bahraich, Uttar
Pradesh. As a matter of fact, throughout
yesterday.I kept on receiving one intimation
or other from some source or other, from
some police station somewhere, that Mrs.
Nayar has been arrested. I do not know
how many intimations I received yesterday.

<f Shrimati Shakuntala Nayar, Member,
Lok Sabha, was arrested under Section
228, Indian Penal Code, and convicted
to pay a fine of Rs 100/- and in default
one week’s simple imprisonment by
Tehsildar Magistrate at Kaisarganj to-
day. She did not pay fine and so she
has been sent to Dirtrict Jail, Bahraich.”

12.40 hrs.

GENERAL INSURANCE BUSINESS
(NATIONALISATION) BILL

(i) REPORT OF JOINT COMMITTEE

21,1972 Interim Reports of National 218
Comm on Agrl. (St.)

SHRI DARBARA SINGH(Hoshiarpur):

I beg to present the Report of the
Joint Committee on the Bill to provide for
the acquisition and transfer of shares of
Indnn insurance companies and undertakings
of other existing insurers in order to serve
better the needs of the economy by securing
the development of general insurance busi-
ness in the best interests of the community
and to ensure that the operation of the
economic system does not result in the con-
centration of wealth to the common detri-
ment, for the regulation and contiol of such
business and for matters connected there-
with or incidental thereto.

(ii) EVIDENCE

SHRI DARBARA SINGH : I beg to
lay on the Table a copy of the the evidence
given before the Joint Committee on the
Bill to provide for the acquisition and
transfer of shares of Indian insurance com-
panies and undertakings of other existing
insurers in order to serve better the needs of
the economy by securing the development
of general insurance business in the best
interest of the community and to ensure that
the operation of the economic system does
n ot result m the concentration of wealth to
the common detriment, for the regulation
and control of such business and for matters
connected therewith or incidental thereto.

12.42 hrs.

STATEMENT RE-INTERIM REPORTS

OF NATIONAL COMMISSION
ON AGRICULTURE

MR. SPEAKER : Shn F A. Ahmed
to make a statement on the Interim Reports
by the National Commission on Agriculture.
He may lay it on the Table.

THE MINISTR OF AGRICULTURE
(SHRI F. A. AHMED) : I beg to lay on
the Table a statement regarding the submi-
ssion of four Interim Reports by the Natio-
nal Commission on Agriculture.

.Statement

As Members are aware the National
Commission on Agriculture set up by the
Government of India has been asked to
make Interim recommendations on such
items of the Terms of Reference given to

217 Interim Reports of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) National Comm, on Agrl. (St.) 21ft

them as it may deem fit. The Commission
submitted in November, 1971, three Interim
Reports on the following subjects : —

1. Multiplication and Distribution of
Quality Seeds pertaining to High-
Yieldmg varities of Hybrids of
Cereals.

2. Fertiliser Distribution.

3. Some Aspects of Agricultural
Research, Extension and Training.

The Commission submitted a further set
of three Interim Reports in January, 1972
viz :

1. Credit Services for S mil and Margi-
nal Farmers and Agricultural
Labourers.

2. Milk Production throjgh Smill and
Marginal Farmers and Agricultural
Universities.

3. Establishment of Agro-mMerological
Divisions in Agricultural Univer-
sities.

Copies of these Reports have already been
placed in the Library of Parliament,

The Commission has presented today to
the Government of India the following four
Reports :

1. Production Forestry — Mai made
Forests.

2. House Sites for Landless Agri-
cultural Labourers.

3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of India.

4 . Potato Seeds.

These Reports have been placed in the
Library of Parliamsnt. A Lu.nmary of the
important recommendations m\de in these
Interim Report! in piaced on the Table of
the Sabha.

I have directed my Department to
examine recommendations quickly before
Government takes further action ia the

matter.

Summary of re-commendatione made in
Interim Reports

The National Commission of Agricul-
ture has submitted to Government of India
four Interim Reports today dealing with :

1. Production Forestry-Man-made
Foresrs ;

2. House sites for Landless Agricul-
tural Labourers ;

3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of
India ; and

4. Potato Seed.

Interim Report on Production Forestry —

Man-made Forests

In its Interim Report on Production
Forestry- Mad- made Forests, the Commission
has noted that the present yield from Indias
forests is dismally low and has advocated
a rational development and utilisation of
forestry resources in the country. It has
strongly recommended a change-over from
the present conservation-oriented forestry to
a more dynamic programme of production
forestry with a view to meeting the require-
ments of wood and wood-based industries.
Considering the advantages of aggressive
man-made forestry programme, the future
production programme should concentrate
on clear felling of valuable mixed forests,
mixed quality forests and inaccessible hard-
wood forests and planting this area with
suitable hardwood and fastgrowing species
yielding higher return per unit area. The
resulting produce from the clear felling
areas is to be utilised in wood-based indus-
tries by locating additional units wheravor
necessary.

A programme of clearfeeling and plant-
ing of about one lakh hectares annually in
the next 7 years of the current decade in
the inaccessible hardwood forests and mixed
forests or valuable and low quality as well
as intensification in the coniferous forests
has been recommended to meet the future
requirements. In the next decade, the
annual felling area will be enhanced to
enable exports on a moderate scale. The
programme of clearfelling and plantation
will require an investment of Rs, 242 crores

i\9 Interim Reports of AUGUST 21, 1972 National Comnin . dn Agrl (it.) 220

[Shn F. A. Ahmed]

during the years 1974-80 of which the
investment during the Fifth Plan is estima-
ted at Rs. 173 crores. During the next
decade an investment of Rs. 306 crores has
been recommended.

The Commission has pointed out that
the production forestry and the industries
programmes suggested in the Report are
self-generating and will pay back adequa-
tely. Illustrative models showing the
economics of the production forestry have
been worked out as guidelines for the
formulation of the programmes by the
States.

While emphasising commercialisation of
the production forestry, the Commission has
emphasised the need for a proper linkage
between forestry production and utilisation.
To this end, it has recommended the esta-
blishment of wood based industries. In the
current decade, an investment of Rs. 8 1 5
crores in industries has been suggested. Of
this, the investment in paper and pulp
industry will be Rs. 611 crores. In the
next decade, an investment of Rs. 1,187
crores will be needed in the industries of
which paper and pulp account for Rs. 979
crores. In view of ihe sluggish performance
by the private sector in the matter of
investment, the Commission has recommen-
ded that the States may have 10 invest
between Rs. 160 to 34dcroies in paper and
pulp industries in the public sector during
Fifth Plan after allowing for investments by
the existiog public sector enterprises.

The Commission has also strongly ad-
vocated that the programme be taken up
from the beginning of 1974 for clearfelling,
plantation and maintenance. In view of
the magnitude of the investment involved
in the entire programme* and paucity of
Plan resources, the future production
forestey programme is recommended to be
financed from institutional sources. The
Agricultural Refinance Corporation has
been suggested as the agency to directly
finance the production forestry programme
by changing its Statutes suitably. In case
this is not possible, a Central Forest Credit
Corporation has to be organised The
industries programme has to be financed
from industrial lending agencies such as
1FC, ICICI and IDB. In order to avail
ff the institutional financing, State Forest

Corporations are to be set up in each State
to handle the ptogramme. These Corpora-
tions will borrow money on the basis of
equity capital of land and standing timber.
For this, the State Government will transfer
the areas under the programme to the
Corporations and take only the average
revenue of the last three years from these
areas and leave the rest of the income from
clearfelling to support the programme.
These Corporations may either take up the
supporting paper and pulp industries directly
or form subsidiaries to handle the industries
programme.

In order that the work can be taken up
immediately, each State which takes up the
programme should establish a Planning and
Project Analysis and Estimation Cell which
will be the forernnner of the Corporation.

[ The Report has also recommended the
strengthening of the Utilisation Cell in the
Chief Conservator’s Office and establish-
ment of an Industrial Cell for the industries
programme. A Planning Cell has also been
suggested in the Union Ministry of Agri-
culture to help the States in formulating
and implementing the production forestry
programmes.

In dealing with the pricing policy, the
Commission has emphasised that there has
to be an incentive for the change-over from
the low-cost low-yield forestry to commer-
cial high-investment economic forestry The
price for the produce has to be so fixed as
to pay for the cost of clearfelling and plan-
tation and leave a profit. A rational pricing
policy for bamboo and pulp wood has also
been recommended.

The programme suggested is expected to
provide annual employment of 50 million
man-days (or 250,000 man-years) mainly m
the rural sector of the hilly and backward
regions where most of the unexploited forests
are located. There will be additional
employment in industries. The massive
labour requirement will mean organising
and training a labour force of considerable
magnitude for which action has to be taken
by the States.

Interim Report Houes sites for Landless
Agricultural Labourers

In its Interim Report on House Sites
for Landless Agricultural Labourers, the

22l Interim Reports of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) National Comma, on Agrl. (st,) 22l

Commission has advocated a production
programme for them simultaneously with
the measures for providing them with
security of shelter. This will require a
more comprehensive approach to the solu-
tion of the problems of the landless than
morely providing them with house sites.
The Commission has recommended various
subsidiary occupations for the landless
labourers and artisans which will bring them
into the mainstream of the productive
process. Milk production, poultry keeping
vegetable gardening are some activities
which can be undertaken on limited amounts
of land and which will at the same time
give reasonable subsidiary income to the
families. This approach will give better
employment and add to production.

The permanent right to a small piece of
land where the agricultural labourer can
build a shelter and follow an enterprise will
also have an immediate effect on his social
status and give his greater stability in life.
This will also enable him to avail of assis-
tance under various programmes like MFAL.
Keeping this in view, the Commission has
recommended modifications in the scheme
of the Ministry of Works and Housing for
the provision of house sites It lias recom-
mended that where land is available and
space can be provided for the cattle-shed
or poultry or piggary or village industry
along with the site tor a house, an area
between 250 sq yards and 300 sq yards
may be provided Where adequate land is
available and water can be piovided for
vegetable growing, an area of 500 sq. yards
has been recommended.

The house sites, the housing and the
subsidiary occupation programmes have to
be planned and coordinated affectively for
concerted development The entire pro-
gramme for providing house sites should be
time bound and completed in a phased and
planned manner. The Commission has
recommended that in the next 10 years a
programme for 3 million landless Sehed-iled
Caste and Scheduled Tribes families and
another 2 million landless agricultural labour
families belonging to other sections should
be taken up for impleneniation. Annually,
3 lakh landless Scheduled Castes and Sche-
duled Tribe families and 2 lakh landless
families of other categories wdl thus be
covered. For this, investment has b;;n esti-

mated at about Rs. 22.5 crores for Sche-
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribe families
and Rs. 15 crores for other sections of the
landless annually to meet the cost of acqui-
sition of land development of house sites.

* The Commission has also stressed the
desirability of having a separate Rural
Housing Board in each Slate to supervise
the implementation of the piogramme. It
has advocated suitable assistance for the
construction of house by the landless agri-
cultural labour on the sites allotted to
them.

Interim Report on soil survey and
soil map of India

In its Interim Report on Soil Survey
and Soil Map ot India, the Commission has
recommended that expeditious measures
should be taken to prepare tne soil map of
India in the scale of 1 81 million within a
reasonably short per-od, say, 10 years, for
which the requisite number of soil survey
parues should De organised in accordance
with ihe specific requnements of the Stales
and the Ccnue. The Comn ission considers
that all development programmes in agn-
cultuie should be dependent on a scientific
k 1 ovv ledge ol the basic soil resouice. A study
of ihc present status of the soil survey in
the country has revealed that there are con-
s idci able gaps in the soil suivey, soil map
and coneluii n and classification of the
differentiated soils I here is a gi eat necessity
for pieparaiion ol scientific inventory of the
sod resources ol the counliy to form a
basis foi cro P planning, intensive agriculture
and a number ol non-tarm activities.

The Commission has felt that for acce-
lerating the soil survey work, aerial photo-
graphy should be! made available at least for
the non-sensitive areas. It has also been
recommended that for the purpose of
carrying out soil survey, mapping, correla-
tion, classificaiion and interpretation on a
standard pattern, necessary training facilities
already available with the All India Soil
and Land Use Survey Organisation should
be strengthened.

For the purpose of unification of soil
survey work throughout the country, a close
liaison between the Central and the State

B.A-C, Report 224

AUGUST 21, 1972

223 Interim Reports of National
Comm, on Agrl. ( St .)

[Shri F. A. Ahmed]

Soil Survey Organisation is imperative. For
this the Commission has recommended that
Coordination Committees should be activised
or set up at the State and national levels.
State Coordination Committees should uti-
lise the existing date on soil survey for land
use and crop planning after due interpreta-
tion.

Intrim Report on Rotate Seed

In its Interim Report on Potato Seed,
the Commission has given its recommenda-
tions fixing the responsibilities for the
multiplication of potato seed at various
stages. The overall all-India yield of potato
is only 83 quintals per hectare at present
but there are possibilities of doubling the
same. One single factor that will contri-
bute materially to bring about this change
is the use of high quality seed. The Natio-
nal Commission on Agriculture has y there-
fore, given priority to the question as to how
best the area under potato can be saturated
with good seed material.

The Commission has suggested stream-
lining of arrangements for multiplication,
storage and distribution. The Central
Potato Research Institute should be respon-
sible for the pi oduction of breeder’s seed
and the National Seeds Corporation and
other well developed agencies for the pro-
duction, storage and distribution of seed
material at foundation stage I. The res-
ponsibility of organising production at
foundation stage II has been sought to be
placed on the Department of Agriculture/
Horticulture in the State. The same Agency
will also be responsible for organisation
and coordination of seed multiplication,
storage and distribution at the certified stage
in each State. The existing lacunae in
storage and transport are also sought to be
removed through suitable measures. It has
also been recommended that potato should
be brought under the Seed Law and seed
.distribution should be organised in every
State to ensure the supply of quality seed.

In order to prevent the inti oduction of
new diseases and pests through continued
‘mport of seed material, the Commission has
suggested complete banning of imports of
oreign seed potato except for the material
leeded for new introductions where the

imports should be made under conditions of
rigid quarantine procedures. It has also
suggested that a rigorous ban on a uniform
basis should be imposed on the movement
of seed potato within the country from all
such areas which have recognisedly develop-
ed diseases and pests and whose spread can
pose a threat to the crop in other parts of
the country.

The Commission has also recommended
the creation of Potato Seed Development
Councils in the States and at the Centie in
order to review and make recommendations
on matters pertaining to production, distri-
bution, transport, storage, marketing, qua-
lity control, publicity and incentive aspects
of the potato seed development programmes.

12 43 hrs.

BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
FIFTEEN REPORT

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS (SHRI KEDAR NATH
SINGH) : On behalf of Shri Raj Bahadur,

I beg to move :

“That this House do agree with the
Fiflcent Repoith of the Business Advisory
Committee presented to the House on
the 1 8lh August, 1972.’*

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : May I submit. . .

MR. SPEAKER : 1 have mentioned

the other day that points about the business
of the House should be laised only when
the Minister makes the statement about
Government business foi following week.
When the report of the BAC js brought
forward for adoption no such points should
be raised.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This
point came to my notice afterwards.

MR. SPEAKER : He may raise it
later. Now the question is :

“That this House do agree with the
Fifteenth Report of the Business Advi-
sory Committee presented to the House
on the 18th August, 1972.”

The motion was adopted

225

SRAVANA 30, 1894 {SAKA) Dentists (Arndt.) Bill 226

12 44hrs.

ANTIQUITIES AND ART TREA-
SURES BILL*

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg to
move for leave to introduce a Bill to regu-
late the export trade in antiquities and art
treasures, to provide for the prevention of
smuggling of, and fraudulent dealings in,
antiquities, to provide for the compulsory
acquisition of antiquities and art treasures
for preservation in public places and to
provide for certain Other matters connected
therewith or incidental or ancillary thereto.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That leave be granted to introduce a
Bill to regulate the export trade in anti-
quities and art treasures, to provide for
the prevention of smuggling of, and
fraudulent dealings m, antiquities, to
provide for the compulsory acquisition
of antiquities and art treasures for pre-
servation in public places and to provide
for certain other matters connected
therewith or incidental or ancillary
thereto."

The morion was adopted

PROF. S NURAL HASAN : I intro-
duce the Bill.

12 45 hrs.

RULERS OF INDIAN
STATES (ABOLITION OF
PRIVILEGES) BILL*

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) :
I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill
further to amend certain enactments conse-
quent on derecognition of Rulers of Indian
States and abolition of privy purses, so as
to abolish the privileges of Rulers and to
make certain transitional provisions to enable
the said Rulers to adjust progressively to
the changed circumstances.

MR. SPEAKER ; The question is :

“That leave be granted to introduce a
Bill further to amend certain enactments
consequent on derecognition of Rulers
of Indian States and abolition of privy
pqrses, so as to abolish the privileges
of Rulers and to make certain transi-
tional provisions to enable the said
Rulers to adjust progressively to the
changed circumstances."

The motion Has adopted

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : 1 introduce

the Bill

12 . 46 hrs.

MINES AND MINERALS (REGULA-
TION and development)

AMENDMENT BILL*

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) . I beg to move for leave
to introduce a Bill further to amend the
Mines and Mineials (Regulation and
Development) Act, 1957.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That leave be granted to introduce a

Bill further to amend the Mines and

Minerals (Regulation and Development)

Act, 1957.

The motion was adopted.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : I introduce the Bill.

12.47 hrs.

DENTISTS (AMENDMENT) BILL — Contd.

MR. SPEAKER : We will now take
up further c msideralion of the Dentists
(Amendment) Bill, Dr. Laximinarain
Pandeya was on his legs. He may continue
his speech.

* Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II, Section 2, dated 21,8.72,
■f Introduced with the recommeddation of the President,

22? Dentists (Arndt,) Bill

Al GUST 1, 1972

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MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Somasundaram.
He is not here. Mr. Bancrjee.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I
rise to support this Bill with one or two
requests.

According to this particular Bill, the
definition of ‘dental qualification’ means
any qualification Included in the Schedule.
The hon. Minister who has piloted this Bill
comes from Calcutta where many Chinese —
longer Chinese but they are

Indians ; they have settled here — have
engaged themselves in this particular pro-
fession. Not only in Calcutta but in many
other places also, whenever we go to the
dentist, we find that the treatment is very
costly, Naturally many people go to the
Chinese some of whom are equally good,
if not better. 1 want to know ho\y they will
be certified. I want to know their position.

My second point is that the scheme of
dental treatment, free of cost, should be
introduced under the CGHS for the benefit
of Central Government employees. At
present the cost of dental treatment in their
cases is not borne by the Government. I
would request the hon. Minister who is
young and has his own teeth to realise the
position of those Central Government
employees who are 50 years and above —
who have to undergo dental treatment and
arc required to pay through their nose. I
would request the hon. Minister to consider
introducing free dental treatment under the
CGHS.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS AND HOUStNG (PROF. D.
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : As l have
pointed out at the time of introduction of
this Bill it is a very simple and small piece
of legislation. The hon. members who have
spoken on the Bill have generally approved
the tenor and the necessity of the Bill. Only
one or two doubts have been expressed and
1 will confine myself only to those two or
three points.

It is true that the uumber of dentists in
the country is not equal to what is necessary
for catering proper dental services to the
people as a whole. But then there is
another problem, slightly disturbing problem,
i.e.\ unemployment amongst the dentists,
This Ministry has looked into the problem
and a plan was forwarded to the Planning
Commission in respect of this matter. It
is still under consideration. The main
difficulty in solving this problem, as yon all
know is financial. Within the constraints,
the Ministry is trying to do its best to solve
the problem.

23 1 Dentist

[ Shri D. P. Ch&ttopodhyaya ]

The second point that has been raised
is that Government is taking over the
powers of the Dental Council of India. That
is t perhaps, not correct. A close reading
of the Bill will show that Government is not
taking over the powers of the Dental
Conncil of India but is only taking over the
responsibility of recognition of dental quali-
fication, and that is to bring about a sort of
uniformity in respect of dental qualifica-
tions. The Dental Council of India is being
empowered by this Bill to bring about a
sort of uniformity among the dentists in
their professional etiquette and ethics.

We have already said that the main
purpose of the Bill, rather one of the main
purposes of the Bill, is to see that some
repatriates from Burma, Ceylon and Bangla
Desh who have come over to this country
but who do not satisfy the existing qualifi-
cations are taken care of and for them a
special provision Is being made. We have
two categories of qualifications — those who
have the qualifications obtained from fore gn
countries and those who have acquned
their qualifications in our own country. But
these unfortunate repatriates have not t»ot
any of these qualifications, but they have
long experience to their credit. So, on a
careful consideration, It has been found that
if th y are allowed to practise here, it will
not pose, as it has been unjustifiably indi-
cated by some hon. Members, a sort of
health or dental hazard to the possible
patients. When we try to economically
rehabilitate these people, we certainly have
the interests of the possible patients also in
view. So, it Is not a problem. It will not
create any difficulty.

Because of these considerations, I do
not think there Is any necessity to refer ms
Bill to a Joint Select Comhuttee.

MR SPEAKER : Now, the question is.

‘'That the Bill further to amend he

Dentists Act, 1948. be referred l > a

Select Committee consisting of 8 mem-
bers, namely : —

(1) Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar.

(2) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda.

(3) Shri M. C. Daga.

(4) Shri K. M. "Madhukar”.

21 , 1972 [Arndt] Bill 232

(5) Shri Dhan Shah Pradhan.

(6) Shri Ramkanwar.

(7) Shri R. R. Sharma ; and

(8) Shri Uraa Shankar Dikshit.

with instructions to report by ths first
day of the next session.** (8)

The motion was negatived .

MR. SPEAKER : Now, the question

"That the Bill further to amend the
Dentists Act, 1948, as passed by Rajya
Sabha, be taken into consideration.**

The motion was adopted .

MR. SPEAKER : There are no amend-
ments to clauses 2 to 4. I will put them to
the vote of the House.

The question is :

•‘That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the
Bill”.

Tne motion was adopted.

Clauses 2 to 4 were added to the Bill.

Clanse 5 ( Amendment of Section 3)

DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA : I
beg to move :

Page 2, line 10, —

for "four” substitute "six” (4)

Page 2, line 11, —
omit "by” (5)

Page 2, line 12, —
after "(a)” insert —

"four members by’* (6)

Page 2, line 17, —
after “(b)** insert —

"/wo members by” (7)

MR. SPEAKER : I will now put
amendments 4 to 7 of Dr. Laxminarayan

AUGUST

233

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

(Proetctioii) BjH 234

Pandeya to the vote of the House.

The amendments were put and negatived .
MR. SPEAKER : Now. the question

ia *

“That clause 5 stand part of the Bill/'

The motion was adopted .

Clause 5 was guided to the Bill.

Clause 6 to 28 were added to the Bill .

Clause 7, the Enacting Formula and the
Title were added to the Bill.

13 hrs.

PROF D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA :
Sir, T beg to move :

“That the Bill be passed.”

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :
“That ihe Bill be passed.”

T he motion was adopted .

13.0 1 hrs-

WILD LIFE (PROTECTION) BILL

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 beg
to move* :

“That the Bill to provide for the pro-
tection of wild animals and birds and
for matters connected therewith or anci-
llary or incidental thereto, be taken into
consideration ”

Sir, this Bill seeks to safeguard one of
the grandest heritages of our country. Wild-
life also forms an integral part of our cul-
tural inheritance. It is mentioned in the
earliest scriptures and manifests itself in the
art forms of India throughout the centuries,
from the^ Indus Valley Civilization to Barhut
and Sanchi, Mahabahpuram and Amravati,
Mughal and Rajput paintings. Emperor
Asokha’s edicts speak of sancuary given to
animate creatures.

From the heights of the Himalayas and
the Swamps of the Sunderbans to the deserts
of Kutch and the highlands of Kerala,
variations in climate and in topography have
nurtured a multitude of animal forms, many
of which are found nowhere else m the
world.

The rapid decimation of our once-
tceming wild-life has been a matter of grave
concern to the world at large and to India
in particular.

Grand animals like the tiger and the
Kashmir sfag are treasures; these natural
assets once destroyed can never be re-crea-
ted.

As early as in 1952, the National Forest
Policy of India emphasised the need for
alTor ling protection to the wild-life and
parti :ularly to the rarer species. It reco-
mcneded the setting up of sanctuaries and
national pa ks and the enactment of special
laws. The Indian Board for Wild Life
consulted by the Government of India in
the same year, has also opined that adequate
legislation should be enacted by the Central
Government and the Slates, and that there
should be a uniform set of rules and regu-
lations in contiguous States for the effective
protection of wild-life.

Sir, the Expert Committee appointed by
the Indian Board for Wild-life has also
stressed the same aspects and has emphasised
the need for protection of the various threa-
tened species.

As you are aware. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the
protection #f animals and birds features in
the State List of the Seventh Schedule of
our Constitution. As such, powers in this
regard vest with *the State Governments
alone.

During the formative and tumultous
years which followed our independence.
State Governments have naturally been pre-
occupied with the problems of providing the
basic needs for the masses. Large number of
crop protection weapons were given in the
interest of agriculture, and wild-life could
not be given the priority that it deserved.
The stage, however, has now been reached
when, if the States and the Central Govern-

♦Movcd with the recommendation of the President.

235 Wild Life AUGUST 21, 1972 t Protection ) Bill 236

[Prof. Sher Singh]

ments, in close harmony, do not take up the
case of wild life preservation, many a spe-
cies of birds and animals would go the
same way of extinction as have the Cheetah
and the Pink-headed Duck So f Sir, if this
country is not to be denuded of its wild life
and if the future generations are to enjoy
the aesthetic pleasures of seeing some of
nature's noblest creatures in their wild
environment, action needs to be taken here
and no v.

The Union Government have already
taken action in regard to the banning or
controlling the export of a number of spe-
cies of animals and birds and the products
derived from them. However, this alone is
not suiricient to preserve wild-life unless
this is supported by adequate controls on
exploitation of wild life throughout the
country. A decision was, therefore, taken
by the Union Cabinet that the Central
Government should enact a uniform legisla-
lion for the preservation of wild life. Being
a state subject, however, such legislation
could only be undertaken under the provi-
sions of article 252 of the Constitution,
whereby the legislatures of at least two
States should pass resolutions empowering
Parliament to pass necessary legislation on
the subject. I am happy to say that the
State Governments realising the importance
and the urgency df the maiter have been
very prompt in adopting such resolutions in
jheir respective State Assemblies. Eleven
States have so far adopted resolutions and
it is hoped that others will follow suit.

Wild life is a renewable natural resource.
Apart from its aesthetic value, the economic
and scientific aspects of wild life cannot
be lost sight of. Its potential as a tourist
attraction have not yet been exploited to
the full, and as a source' of protein and as
an object of commerce it has a considera-
ble role to play in the economy of the
country. But like all resources, wild life

has to be husband and scientifically managed
if it is to yield sustained and progressive
returns. In India, however, a very large
number of species of animals have reached
a stage of depiction and their exploitation
cannot be considered for the present
There are certain other species whose ex-
ploitation for sport or trade can be permit-
ted in a strictly restricted manner. Keeping
in view these circumstances, animals and

birds have been included in different Sche-
dules and different punishments are prescrib-
ed for violations of rules in respect of these
different categories. The status of wild life
cannot be static. Therefore, if at a future
date, i? is felt that any particular animal or
bird has become rarer than before, or con-
versely, has increased sufficiently in number
whereby controlled exploitation of it could
be permissible, they can be moved from one
Schedule to another. If, however, it is felt
that any particular animal has reached a
critical stage of survival, the Central Govern-
ment will oe empowered to include any such
animal m Schedule I and thereby give it
copmleie protection throughout the country.
Sla'e Government also would be empowered
to add any animal to Schedule I in respect
of their own area of jurisdiction. The
violation pertaining to any such animal or
bird will be treated as a very serious offence
and deterrent punishment has been pro-
vided.

In short, this Bill greatly strengthens
the scope and powers of the State Govern-
ments in regard to wild life preservation.
The Central Government will appoint offi-
cers who will render them all possible assis-
tance.

I am sure this House will welcome this
Bill and the joint efforts being made by the
Government of India and the various State
Governments to save the wild life of India.

I would like to conclude with the remark
that the Prime Minister has made while
addressing the National Committee on En-
vironmental Planning, namely : —

"Man’s wild spirit has been creator and
destroyer. Now, with the possibility of
destruction so starkly real, we must con-
centrate on the arts of preservation.”

With these words, I move this Bill for consi-
deration.

MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved :

"That the Bill to provide for the pro-
tection of wild animals and birds and
for matters connected therewith or
ancillary or incidental thereto, be
taken nto consideration.”

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Wild Life

SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

( Protection ) Bill

23*

Is the hon. Minister intending to refer this
Bill to a Select Committee ?

PROF. SHER SINGH : No, Sir.

MR. SPEAKER : A Member from
their own party has tabled a motion to that
effect.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY At FAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
We are noi accepting it.

MR. SPEAKER ; Is Shri Shivnath
moving hi motion ?

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH (Jhun-
Jhunu) : i am not moving it.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura
East) : I hspe that the down -trodden men
and women of our country who are leading
their lives on almost empty bellies and who
for demanding food and work for their
subsistence havo been subjected to police
atrocities or have been sought to be silenced
by lathis, bullets and tear-gas during these
25 years of Congress rule will hot envy the
wild animals and birds which are going to
be provided with safe and undisturbed life
which is being denied to the overwhelming
majority of human beings living m this
country. Though the love and affections
towards wild animals and birds and a sense
of urgency on the part of the Congress
rulers in protecting wild life are well expres-
sed in the Bill

MR. SPEAKER : Is the bon. Mem-
ber reading out his speech ? He is an old
Member. Let him not read out his speech.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I shall
be speaking extempore also. Similar love
and affection towards the ill-fed, ill-clad
masses and a sense of urgency to protect
them from hunger and starvation and from
exploitation by the monopolists and land-
lords, speculators and blackmarketeers,
usurers and contractors are yet to be seen.

I can understand the Government being
interested in protecting wild life, but in the
Bill they have shown a different attitude.
In this Bill, they provide that if an animal
is killed by a person in his defence, even
the meat derived from that should become
government property. If two animals quarrel
and one is killed in the fight, and if the
dead is found in the jungle, why should the
meat become the property of Government ?
Is it in the interest of protecting wild life
or are Government doing something more ?
This is objectionable. If this clause is
retained m the Bill, it will become oppres-
sive for the people living in forest areas,
because if an animal or bird is killed and if
it is not deposited with Government, imme-
diaely the forest officers start exacting
money or creating trouble for these poor
people. That should not be.

Then (he Bill says in one clause that
the right of any person in or over the land
on.prised within the limit of a sanctuary
shall not include the right of jhoom cultiva-
tion over land which has been traditionally
used for the purpose of jhoom cultivation.
1 he clause says that if any area is to be
declared a sanctuary, then the properties in
that particular area should be assessed and
some sort of compensation should be given
to t lese people. But you know in forest
areas particularly in our State, no title was
given to the people over the land which
has been utilised by them for jhum cultiva-
tion the t.ibal people gve an annual lump-
sum on the basis of the family, say, 5
or .01 per family and so on Thus they
are enjoying that particular area for jhoom
cultivation. When you declare that parti-
cular area a sanctuary, the officer will be
going there and making an assessment on
the basis of the title to the land. Since
these people possess no title, they will not
be entitled to get r.ny compensation. That
means, it one stroke, you are depriving
these people of the right of jhoom cultiva-
tion in that area which they have been
traditionally enjoying; at the same time, you
will not provide any compensation for them
or any alternative profession either. This
is a serious defect in the Bill. So these
people should bs given compensation irres-
pective of whether they have got title over
the land or not because they have been
enjoying this land traditionally and have
been playing a lump sum annually which in
our term is called gharchukti.

AUGUST 21, 1972

( Protection ) Bill 240

239 Wild Life
[Shri Dasaratha Deb ]

Then there is another provision which
says that in any sanctuary or forest area
they shall be responsible to prevent other
people from killing the wild animals and,
birds. If they canot prevent other people,
then they will be liable to punishment.
There is one clause here at page 11; it is
clause 27(2). There, you will see some res-
ponsibility is being given to the people who
are residing' in the sanctuary area. I think
this obligatory clause should not be there.
It is the duty of the officers of the staff who
are working in those areas to prevent others
from killing these wild animals and birds.
You can take the assistance of the people.
You can make them conscious of these
things, and ask them to prevent such killings,
but, at the same time, you cannot maicc it
obligatory on them to prevent others from
killing these animals. If you keep this pro-
vision, then, if somewhere an animal is
killed, the ordinary innocent villagers resid-
ing in that forest or sanctuaiy area wil! be
subject to so much of oppression and all
those officers who visit the tribal villages
would say, “You did not report this thing
is lying there.’! And he would say, “I
would go and institute a case aginst you.”
In that way, they will be trying to get
money; bribery will take place. Therefore,
this obligatory clause must not be there.
You can make the people animal-conscious,
but you cannot punish them for other’s
faults. Therefore, this clause 27 (2) must
be omitted from the Bill.

Secondly, I want to suggest another
thing I had no Mme and I could not send
amendments earlier. Only this morning
I have sent these amendments If you
allow me, I can read out.

MR. SPEAKER : If it is time, then
it is all right but otherwise, it may be
referred to in your speech.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Yes, Sir.
In clause 30, at page 12 of the Bill, there
should be a proviso at the end of the clause,
giving protecton to the jhoom cultivators.
I suggest that the following proviso may be
added :

“Provided that nothing contained in

clause 30 shall render such a person
liable to any punishment if he sets fire
for the purpose of jhooming for the
neighbouring area and if such fire causes
the burning of a sanctuary due to the
spreading of the fire of the burning
jhoom.”

The clause says if anybody sets fire in the
sanctuary, he will liable to punishment. But
the sanctuary may be such that in the
neighbouring forest the tribal people may
be residing and they are practising jhoom
cultivation there and without burning that
jungle they cannot cultivate jhooming. In
jhoom cultivation, the fire may spread out.

MR. SPEAKER : The time is short.
So, we should confine ourselves to the main
features of the Bill.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Yes, Sir.
I am only making certian important points.
If these people are liable to be punished,
then it is very dangerous- You may ask
those people setting fire for jhoom cultiya-
tion to make some report to the office con-
cerned to that effect, but it may happen in
the jungle and it may cause some fire. For
that those people should not be punished.
They are not setting fire in that particular
area, but outside, in the area where they
are taking up jhoom cultivation.

Another point I want to make is with
regard to clause 55, at page 23. Here, the
Bill says that if any person is considered to
have committed a certain offence against the
provisions of this Bill, he will be liable to
be punished; punished by whom? Either by
the Chief Warden or by the Chief Secretary.
That is the provision That is the provision
in this Bill and the judgment of these
persons is final. The Courts cannot enter-
tain any appeal from these persons who had
been punished It is dangerous. You are
taking away the rights of a citizen to go to
the court. The chief warden or chief secre-
tary could not be considered to be the best
judge; they are part and parcel of the execu-
tive. If their judgment is to be made final
and the citizen is to be deprived of his right
to approach the court, it is dangerous and
theiefore this clause must be omitted.

241 Wild Life

SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

(Protection) Bill 242

In clause 55 you are providing for com-
panies. A company is given licence to
operate in a sanctuary area to collect skins
or other articles from the animals. If they
commit some offences against this Bill, the
company will not be liable for punishment
because they will say that it is not within
the knowledge of the company and there is
a provision that if any offence is committed
without the knowledge of the company will
not be liable for punishment. There is a
repressive measure against the ordinary
people who live in the forests but you are
giving ample scope to big people, big com-
panies to collect these articles fiom the
wild animals, and also allowing them to
escape from punishment on some pretext.
In the case of ordinary people, if an animal
is killed you do not allow them to take
even the meat from the animal , but big
people can do anyth ng tinder the cover of
this clause. So, this section must go.

The punishment provided is a fine rang-
ing from 2,000 to Rs. 5,000 or imprison-
ment There is a provision in the Bill that
people who possess articles mentioned
therein should deposit them or return them
to the Government immediately after the
commencement of the Act. People might be
possessing such articles for 10 years or 20
years or even 100 years They should not
be asked to deposit those old things. The
provision should be that if any article is
possessed after the commencement of this
Act that should be deposited.

] shall finish in two minutes by referring
to my amendments On page 2, line 40, I
want to insert six months for two years.
On page 2, line 50, I want to insert Rs.
100 for Rs 2,000. Rs 2,000 is too much
of a punishment. Again on page 2, line 6,

I want to insert one year for six years Six
years’ imprisonment is too much ; you
should make it one year. Page 22, line 7,
insert “100” foi “500”.

MR. -SPEAKER: These amendments
have not been circulated, but you can refer
to them in your speech.

SHRl DASARATHA DEB : Then, in
page 22. line |0, insert “six months” for

“one year”. Then, in page 22, line II,
insert “J00” for “1000”.

With these words, f conclude.

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SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta.
North East) . The House is superior to the
Business Advisory Committee. It can
extend the time.

MR. SPEAKER : But we have decided
that (he business as set out on the agenda
will be finished on that day. If you are
prepared to sit for a longer time, it is a
different matter.

SHRI H N MUKERJEE : This is
very peculiar. It is a very long Bill ; it is
not being sent to a Select Committee. There
is no circulation being accepted by G )vern-
ment. The House must hive some authority
somewhere.

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SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutia-
North-East) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it
is a pity that even when Government tries
to do a good thing — and this Bill, by and
large, is not bad — it does it gracelessly,
ineffectively and provocatively and, that is
why, unfortunately, I am unhappy that
Government proceeds with this legislation
in the manner that we have witnessed
today.

Even the Minister, when he made a
speech, hardly made an effort to explain
the provisions of the Bill which runs to
nearly 40 pages. He gave us no informa-
tion worthwhile m regard to the present
day conditions of wild life in our country.
He made a reference to Ashoka’s edicts? 1
do not know whether he made a reference
also to Kautilya’s Arthashastra, Abhayaranya
and that sort of thing. But he did not take
the House into confidence in regard to what
is exactly happening to our wild life and
what is being sought to be done by this
piece of legislation. He took it for granted
that this Bill would be passed by the
House. Even the Soeaker said that there
is very little time to discuss it.

This Bill does not go to a Select Com-
mittee. I do not see why a measure which
obviously, affects the living conditions of
hundreds of thousands of our people who
a re in the lowest rung of the economic
ladder is not discussed in a Select Com-
mittee. We are as good as a House con-
verting itself into a Committee at the

moment because very few Members are
present. It could have gone to a Select
Committee in some other room where these
clauses could have been gone into a great
deal more carefully and the House, through
its representatives, would have been in
possession of facts in regard to what is the
position of wild life.

The Minister of Tourism is there. Some-
times, panicky statements appear in the
press in regard to our wild life having
nearly vanished. But we are not taken into
confidence officially even wden a Bill of
this sort is placed before us. 1 feel, by and
large, the bias of this Bill is correct. The
Government is going to take charge at
least by regulatory measures in regard to the
damage that is being done to wild life in our
country. To that extent, it is a good thing.
But Go\ernment could very well have pro-
ceeded in a very different manner in order
to take the House into confidence about
what ought to be done.

My lion friend, Mr. Deb supported the
Bill substantially. He rasied a very impor-
tant point in regard to the position of
tribals. What is om conception of wild
life ? I should think that wild life includes
not only ihe denizens of forest who belong
to the animal species or the bud species but
but also the human species. Wild life pro-
tection must mean, at the same lime, pro-
tection of the tribal population who live
inside those forest regions and contiguous
areas. Wild life piolection should also
mean, in my estimation, piolection of
Ranthambore

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What about
denizens of the city ? ( Interruption )

SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE : Actually
the wild animals, if they could speak up,
would speak of denizens of city in a manner
which would not be relished by many of us.
Let us take the words as they are conven-
tionally used. Wild life protection, surely,
should imply protection of the tribal popula-
tion, surely should imply protection of such
historic relics as Ranthambore fort which is
very near Sawai Madhopur sanctuary.
They are doing nothing of that sort but on
the contrary, the human denizens of ttw

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) ( Protection ) Bill 250

forest are being treated in a very shabby
manner. Of course, we are interested, as
far as this legislation is concerned, in the
protection of what is conventionally called
wild life, and from that angle I would like
to know, particularly, some details about
what exactly is happening

We talk so much about the necessity of
protecting wild life. But actually what is
the position ? In regard to lions which have
been described as our national animal, if
between 1880 and 1900 there was only a
dozen lions in Gir, and there are 300 now,
why can we not make sure that our lion
population increases to an optimum point ?
I would like to know if the Minister can tell
us what happened to the lions which were
let loose in the Uttar Pradesh forest near
Chandra Prabha river. I think, in Utter
Pradesh, there were seven lions in 1964.
The number was expected to rise to eleven.
They may have vanished; for all I hear
from the paper reports, they have vanished.
But Government should tell us what exactly
has happened. Even in regard to Gir-at
one time there were very few but now we
have got at least 300 or so —we should
know a good deal more

I find also, before he died Jim Corbett
made a complaint that the National Paik oi
whatever it is named after him, was allotted
originally 180 sq miles but 55 sq miles
were taken out of the allocation, and Jim
felt it very badly. I would like to know if
the Minister happens to know anything
about it, if the onginal allocation of land
to this Corbett National Park was 180 sq.
miles and if 55 sq. miles were laken out of
that and if something is now going to be
done in regard to it.

I would like to know, for instance, also
about white tigers of Rcwa. I have seen
in this book, which is generally accepted as
authoritative — E P Gee’s. The Wild Life
of India a description of Rewa; there is a
palace-cum-fort called Govmdgarh in Rewa
where white tigers were kept and it is a very
marvellous place. I would like to know,
now that the princes are de-recogmsed and
denuded of their ill gotten privileges — if I
can put it that way that is happening, if
Government is going to take charge of a
place like Govindgarh Palace because, accor-
ding to the description given by Mr. Gee in

this book, it. is a wonderful place which
should be kept, the place where white tigejs
could be reared, and later on we could send
them out to the different parts of the coun-
try.

I would like to know what are the
schemes, if any, in regard to Sunderban
areas of West Bengal, the ouginal home of
the so-called Royal Bengal tiger and what
has happened to schemes we hear from time
to time about national parks and sanctuaries
near about that place, in Frasergay or some
such other township in that area.

Sometime ago, 1 think, it was my im-
pression that Dr. Karan Singh’s Ministry
did some publicity about a bird sanctuary
in the Salt Lakes near Calcutta, but it seems
now the salt Lakes are going to be utilised
for other purposes, for the construction of
some ramshackle houses, and the result
is that the whole idea of a dird sanctuary
in that kind of place near the
heart of the big city, is dropped.
Something has been done to 'it. But
we hear nothing at all about that sort
of thing, We find in this legislation a
number of steps in regard to dealing with
the malpractices of the trade as well as of
poacheis and other people. Now, 1 do
not know if the Government is taking any
steps to have possession, almost immedia-
tely, of every head, skin, horn, etc. that
may be in show-rooms or sales-rooms or
empona all over the counliy, so that you
can strike the evd at the root— now you
are giving a long notice tn people who are
carrying on nefarious activities in regard to
our wild life so long — but I do not see any
indication of that On the contrary, as
Mr. Deb has pointed out, the Government
is rather, soft to companies which deal in
this business but aie rather harsh on the
denizens of the jungle.

I would like also to find whether the
Government has any schemes about better
provisioning in our forests so that the ran-
gers and others are equipped with transmi-
tters so that whenever they get any infor-
mation and that has to be sent quick, they
can send the information in as quick time
as possible.

AUGUST 21, 1972

( Protection ) Bill 252

251 Wild Life
[Shri H N. Mukerjec]

1 do not know what steps the Govern-
ment are taking in order to take charge of
the entire trade of taxi-dermy and that sort
of thing. There are places in Calcutta,
near the New Market in Calcutta, there is
a miniature zoo sort of place where animals
and birds are kept in impossible conditions
and they are sold out to foreigners. You
can get anything. Even a tiger cub is avai-
lable at a few hours* notice if you want to
have it. What is the Government going to
do about that sort of thing 7 Are we mak-
ing an appeal, for example, to many of those
old houses belonging to the aristocracy where
there are valuable trophies, antelopes, skins
and that sort of thing 7 Are the Govern-
ment thinking of getting hold of those things
and keeping them at a place where the pub-
lic can have access ? Otherwise, what is
the point of our talking about wild life and
that sort of thing ?

Are we going to associate with govern-
mental activity on the regulation of wild
life many of these people who are some-
times described as — I do not like the very
word ■genllemen Shikaries’ ? Many of them
have a genuine love for wild life. Many of
them who come forward, many of them who
have done a gieat deal of shooting in their
life and who prefer now fo do photography —
are wc going to utilise the services of
the^e people ? Mr. Gee, who is now un-
fortunately dead was a foreigner. There
are many people in our own country, many
people in Rajasthan and other areas who
have been very good Shikaris, very good
shots and they can co.ne foiward with the
camera rather than with ihe rifle in order
to help the wild life.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We would
like to hear more from the hon. Member,
but, unfortunately, the time. is very short.

SHRI H. N MUKERJEE : My grous
has been that if this Bill had been truly and
carefully considered and if this Bill had
gone through a committee, the committee
could have asked for information in regard
to the present-day conditions of wild life.
The committee could have found out ways
and means of improving wild life in our
country. The committee could also at the
same time have brought about a fool proof
legislation in regard to the preservation of

wild life. But what the Government does
is to merely send us a 42-page Bill for discus
sion and the Government goes to the Busi-
ness Advisory Committee and says, ‘We
would like to have it passed in this session.*
The Government prevents a member of its
own Party from even moving a motion for
reference to a Select Committee so that
some sort of discussion can take place. The
Government says, ‘Take it or leave it*.
This is very wrong. It is a good objective.
No doubt about it. It is an objective which
even Ashoka sought 2500 years ago, but a
good objective can never be achieved by this
kind of a wrong thing. The Government
has not taken Parliament into confidence.
In regard to this kind of legislation, there
is no harm if there was a little delay by a
f orf night are so and this matter referred to
a Select Committee. Even now, if the
Government Wishes, this matter can be
referred to a Select Committee. We can
waive the Rules. The Minister can move
a motion for reference to the Select Commit-
tee. The Committee may report within a
week’s time n.td we can have the legislation.
It would be ;• great deal better and after
having heard Mi Deb who lives in Tripura,

I know how very close he is to the jungles
and he belongs to the people who are part
of the soil in that region of our country,
after having heard him, I am more than
ever convinced that this Bill has been
hastily drafted, peovocatively presented to
Parliament, caiclessly sought to be passed
into legislation and defective in its substance
Therefore, l plead with whatever strength
I have at my command, that this Bill should
be referred to a Select Committee with
special instructions to report before the
end of the session It would otherwise be
merely playing ducks and drakes with the
problem which is very serious. It is extre-
mely serious to those of us here who want
our wild life to be preserved in the best
mnaer possible and we are not getting the
kind of satisfacrion which we want by this
Bill. I therefore appeal to you and throagh
you to the House that this Bill should be
referred to a Select Committee even at this
late stage.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I agree
that there should be more informed speeches
on the subject; and it is for the benefit of
the Government also. But, I am bound
by the decision of the House. The time

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(Protection) Bill 254

allotted is 2 hours. There is a long list of
speakers who want to participate. 1 would
request them to be as brief as possible.

Dr. Karan Singh

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KAR \N SINGH):
Sir. it is not so much as Minister of Tou-
rism that I rise to support this Bill, although
Wild Life Tourism is indeed potentially a
very important source of tourist promotion
and of tourism income in our country, but
it is rathes'in my capacity as Chairman of
the India*’ Board lor Wild Life that I par-
ticipate in this discussion If you give me
about ten minute?, I will try to throw some
light on some of the points which have been
raised by my esteemed frie-.i Professor
Hiren M- kherjee.

Before I come to the problem of India,
1 would i ke to place the whole wild life
situation in its broader world perspective.
Man is only one of the many millions of
species that inhabit this planet. But, as a
result ol his lulhless domination of the
natural icsouices of the earth, a situation
today has arisen in which mat-y hundreds
of species have been extinguished and many
hundreds more are on the varge of extinc-
tion. With the tremendous increase in the
power given to men by science and techno-
logy his intervention in the natural processes
that have been continuing on this planet for
millions anjJ millions of years is beginning
to become more and more decisive, and as
a result of this the ecological balance of
nature is beginning to be upset and upset
in many ways which are irreveisible. There
have been urbanisation, industrialisation,
population growth and increasing deforesta-
tion and pressure upon forests. As a result
of this we find drought, erosion, change in
the climatic condition, floods and so on.
These arc only some of the more evident
and dramatic aspects of the tremendous
pressure upon natural resources that man is
now beginning to bring about. Ecology is
therefore becoming increasingly important
for the welfare of mankind itself. Nuclear
weapons pose a threat *o mankind, and
possession- of nuclear weapons rruy well
mean destruction of all life on earth. But
a situation has developed today where the
possibility of ecological disaster also can-
not be ruled out. In fact in many of the
socalled advanced and developed country
the ecological problem has become very

acute. Ecology does not know any frontiers.
If the oceans are polluted in the U.S.A.
sooner or later that pollution will adversely
affect other oceans and other countries.
Ultimately this is one earth, one unit, single
and indivisible.

There are a number of interesting books
on the subject. I am sure Prof. Mukerjee
has seen some of them. There is one book
Silent Spring by Rachel Carson. These
insecticides and pesticides which arc used
have also a tremendous effect in destroying
mLch of (he natural life that exists. Then
i here is the Closing Circle by Barry Common
— I do not know whether you had read it; I
wc uld stiongly suggest it — then Planet in
Pint, Bin print for Survival and so on There
,irt a number of studies for the layman which
f iead, b. ing out dramatically the tiemen-
iio is danger that mankind is facing today.

I had the privilege this year of bring in
the Indian delegation to the Stockholm
CcnferenLeon the Human Environment.
It ivas a needed a very remarkable gathering
the first of its kind in the entire history of
the human race. It was remarkable in the
unanimity it was able to bring about among
the nations of the world with different, poh-
tiacl, social and economic systems on the
necessity of doing something to prevent
ecological disaster. In that Conference, the
Indian delegation had the privilege of intro-
ducing a new principle on w Id life. The
House will be interested to know that when
I introduced it — it was our draft — it was
accepted with acclaim because every nation
represented iheic — there over a hundred —
realised the impoi lance of wild life. The
final declaration did contain our principle,
which rea^s as follows .

“Man has a special responsibility to
safeguard and wisely manage the heri-
tage of wild life and its habitat which
are now imperilled by a combination of
adverse factors. Nature conservation
including wild life must, therelore,
receive importance in plnnnmg for
economic development”.

I think it is very important for us to
realise that the ecological compulsion con-
cerning wild life is not simply a luxury or

255 Wild Life AUGUST 21,

[ Dr. Karan Singh ]

a fad of the more developed nations; it is
something to which every responsible govern-
ment, particularly a nation like ours which
is now on the threshold of a new leap for-
wards m economic development, must give
due weight. The constitulion by the Prime
Minister of a Committee on Environmental
Planning and Co ordination is a major step
in this direction. In our own land — l will
not go into the historical background because
that would take too long— Prof. Mukerjee
and my colleague, Prof. Sher Singh,
mentioned Asoka and the gieat traditions
we have in this country with regaid to ani-
mals, the Hindu tradition, the Buddhist
tradition, the Jain tradition and so on.
Today I can say with authority as Chairman
of the Indian Board for Wild Life that the
position with regard to wild life in India is
needed desperate. My hon friend, Prof.
Mukerjee spoke of panicky reports in the
papers. 1 can assure him that whatever
reports havo appeared in the papers are in
the nature of gross under-estimates The
situation today is that a large number of
species has already disappeared and many
others arc on the verge of extinction.
Fores fo are being denuded in a most dan-
gerous manner as a result of which even in
my own life ime — and that has not been
too long — the difference is easily visible. I
think 1 can say that in 25 or 30 years in
places like Kashmir, for example, the whole
climate has changed because forest after
forest has been destroyed and the entire
beauty and the natural vigour of the place
has disappeared

14 hrs.

I took over as Chairman of the Indian
Board for Wild Life m 1^69 and very soon
thereafier, in October of that year, we set
up an expert committee. The report of
the committee which we received in August
1970 has certainly been placed in Pari a-
ment Library. I am not sure if it has been
laid on the Table. It is a report of experts
fiom our own country— not foreigners —
people who have lived in this country all
their lives and who know the prob-
blem. It is a short report and I
woold stronnly commend it to mambas
for, it tries to give in a short compass ihe
situation as it is and brings out the urgency
that exists. One of the reasons why 1 think

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we are so reclutant to have any further
delay on this is that with the greatest of
difficulty we have succeeded, for example,
in banning the shooting of the tiger comp-
letely. It took me two years, and the
Prime Minister had personally to intervene
with the Chief Ministers before they agreed
that the shooting of tigers should be banned.
Otherwise, — the tiger census is in progress
now — it is estimated that there are less
than 2000 tigeis in the whole country,
wheeas at the turn of the century it is
estimated that there were about 40,000 to
50,000 tigers. So the tiger has reached the
point of ecological minimum. As you know
Sir, if (he nu.nber of animals falls below
the ecological minimum, there is no longer
a natural regeneration, and the animal
becomes extinct. The danger is that even
these 2000 tigeis are not in one area, but
they are separated in different areas and in
veiy much the sort of way in which you
mop up puddles of water, one by one, these
little units of tigers are becoming exstinct. I
think that we must realise that it is not
only a tiger qua tiger which is important ;
the ti;er is a beautiful animal, of course,
and it has been a symbol of power and of
beauty and of majesty in this country, and
naturally we want it to survive. But it is
not so much the tiger as tiger, but the tiger
as a symbol of the natural environment
with which man must live.

There is an increasing alienation bet-
ween man and his natural environment, and
this alienation has produced in many of the
so called advanced countries of the world a
state of what can only be termed mass
neurosis. It is important, therefore, that
when we in India are at the beg.nnmg of a
new process of economic development, we
must take this very very actively into cog-
nizance. Otherwise, even though we may
have no ill- will against wild life and we may
generally wish that wild life is maintained,
it will not remain, because the very com-
pulsions of economic development are such
that it is simply not possible for the wild
animals to subsist unless very special mea-
sures are taken. In fact, it was as a result
of one of the recommendations of the
expert committee that the Ministry of Food
and Agriculture took up this matter with
the States and with our Law Ministry, and
ultimately drafted this very substantial and
comprehensive piece of legislation. .

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Certainly, it is true that simply by
passing this legislation, the problem will not
be solved. Three things are essential.
Firstly, the State Governments must fully
cooperate. Most of the powers under the
Constitution belong to the State Govern-
ments. Certainly, the Government of India
are now seeking to enter the arena ; other-
wise it would simply not be possible for it to
ensure success. But whatever powers the
Government of India may take, unless the
Stare Governments are fully involved, unless
they fully cooperate, it will not be possible
for this to succeed. Very often, although
in the ultimate analysis, there is no conflict,
very often there is some measure of conflict
between people who may be living in the
forest and between the necessity and com-
pulsons of wild life. The same js tiue, for
example, of our architectural heritage. After
all, we have a cit> like Fatehpur Sikri. It
is possible to argue that with so many
people houseless, why d^n’t you move ten
thousand people to live in Fatehpur Sikri ?
But these are great artistic treasures, and
great aspects of our national heritage. In
very much the same way as wc look upon
the Taj Mahal or the great temples of South
India or the great monuments that have come
down to us throug the ages, and we look
at our great artistic heritage of painting,
music and dance, we must also look a t the
wild life heritage. No longer as the preserve
simply for those who, for what I am sorry
1 can only describe as sadistic activity,
went around shooting, and who were very
proud of the fact that they had shot a
hundred tigers or a thousand tigers which
to my mind at least is an unspeakable
thing to have done — but that is a different
matter; — it cannot be so now for a privi-
leged few who may fancy themselves to be
great shorts and who, therefore, instead of
going and shooting at targets go round and
try to shoot these defenceless animals. I
have no sympathy for this sort of people.
But I want this wild life to be kept for the
people of India. That is why in wild life
tourism we are building lodges in our san-
ctuaries, and we are giving mini-buses. We
want the young people and the students to
go and see our wild life. Sir, you yourself
are coming from an area where there are
mountains all around and there are beauti-
ful forests. We want the young people ia
India to grow up with a love for this aspect
of our heritage. We want the young people
tobe able to realise that the world in which

they live is not only a world of cement and
concrete and mortar and roads and noisy
planes and buses. It is also a world of
natural beauty. It is a world where beauti-
ful creatures can only live, and they should
also be seen Therefore it is in order to
safeguard this great national heritage of
ours for generations yet unborn that I
would very strongly commend this Bill to
the hon. House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In view of
what you have said, would you support that
the Bill be referred to the Select Commit-
tee, even if it were to consider more carefully
your weight observations ? ( Interruptions )

DR. KARAN SINGH ! The problem
really is this it is already later than we
think; it is very late and, although it is my
colleague who has to deal with it — and I
do not want to say anything at length — I
genuinely, honestly feel that this is the first
time that the Government of India has
come forwa r d with this comprehensive
legislation. This should now go through. If
there are any problems which anse in its
implementation, we can certainly go into it.

I am sure my colleague will assure the
House that they will be looked into. Let us
work 1 1 for six months. If there is anything
wanting, we will be the first to come for-
ward with amendments. Please let us not
hold it up.

SHRI MOHANRAJ KAL1NGARAYAR
(Pollachi) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while
speaking on this Bill — Wild Life (Protection)
Bill, 1972 — I would like to make some re-
marks. We have been very busy since our
Independence; so busy that most of our
time was utilised jn politics, population,
defence, ‘industrial and economic problems.
So, due to these major problems, our wild
life did not get proper care and protection.

Since the last 20 years, there was an
Indian Board for Wild Life functioning as
a central advisory body. I would like to
know whether they have submitted any
report about its working and so on. The
Wlid Life Board has done some timely work
by saving the rhionoceros in Assam and
West Bengal and the Asiatic lions in Guja-
rat. But at the same time we cannot just
depend on two of our wonderful animals.
We have got to look out for the cat famNy,

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that is, the tiger and the panther, which are by the veterinary doctors, so that they do

slowly vanishing. They have become so not infect the foot-and-mouth disease to the

extinct in some parts of the South wheie we wild animals. What I recommend to the

have very thick forests such as those in hon. Minister is that every sanctuary, every

Mysore and Tamil Nadu. 1 fully agree national park, should have a veterinary

with Prof. Mukerjee that this Bill should be hospital on the site and we should have

given a legal and powerful effect and it young veterinary doctors well-trained in

Should go to Select Committee. protecting and curing wild life.

Another very important matter which I
want to tell the Minister in this speech is
this. Those people living in villages have
found out a cheap way of killing the cat
family, that is, killing the animals with the
poison called folidol. It is very easy to kill
the animals with folidol; and then they sell
the skin at a high rate. There are the un-
official hide dealers waiting to buy these
skins. This thing should be stnctly dealt
with.

Another very important factor is this.
It is no use just talking about protecting
wild life when most of the forests are being
cut down. When all the big trees arc cut
down, where will the wild animals go ? We
are indiscriminately cutting and clearing the
forests and planting eucalyptus trees there.
I want to ask the Minister, by planting
eucalyptus trees in the forests for thousands
of acres, in which way are they going to
protect wild life. They keep on cutting the
forests, and finally a stage will come when
there would not be any place in (he foiests
for the animals to live.

Another important point is this. The
time is very short and 1 do not wart to
dwell at length. But the main thing which I
want to tell the Minister 'is this. About a
year back, in Tamil Nadu, at the Mudu-
malai game sanctuary, there was an attack
of foot and-mouth disease and thousands of
bisons were dying every day. And that
was an area where there was the largest
concentration of bisons. There was no
medicine and by the time the Forest
Department took action, there was only a
couple of them which survived, and they
are living now. When we asked the Forest
Department, they said they were taking
action. What I feel is the domestic animals
living in that area, before they are sent for
grazing in the sanctuary area or the national
park, whatever it is. should be checked up

Now that our Government has brought
the Wild life (Protection) Bill, we should
give serio us thought to it. Even with all
the safeguards that the Central Government
and the State Governments take, still, there
is poaching and unaurhonsed hunting going
on. Not only does it happen in parts of
the forests, but also in the sanctuaries and
national parks.

Government should check the taxider-
mists who cure and stuff animals. They
should be asked to produce up-to-date lists
of all the animals they have stuffed and the
number of orders that are pending with
them. With this, we confind out if anyone
wants to stuff the animals illegally, and
then he could be arrested and action taken.

Another important thing is this. In
Chapter III, in clause 17, I would like to
add one more provision with your kind
permission ; that is, a hunter should not use
a telescopic sight on his weapon to kill the
animals. If he is not able to sight and kill
and aim with his own naked eye, he does'nt
deserve to hold a gun. I suggest this pro-
vision, and I hope the Government will take
it up seriously.

Now that most of the animals are be-
coming extinct, what 1 feel is that there
should be a complete ban on hunting for
two to three years, and all the forest
licence-holders and licence-holders of guns
should submit their weapons to the nearest
armoury, in order to give wild life a chance
to multiply. We should insist on this.

Coming to my own State, we have very
good forests on all sides of our State. We
have a wonderful bird sanctuary, 50 to 60
miles away from Madras, at Vedanthangal.
The Central Government has got a small
rest-house, but there is no improvement.
That sanctuary gets during the sea son most

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of the birds from all parts of the world. It
is a sanctuary worth expanding for foicign
tourists. The Central Government should
come to the State Government's help to
develop this bird sanctury.

In conclusion, I would request the
minister to take firm action. It is not too
late. Even now we can protect some of the
extinct animals by having very good advi-
sory boards. Otherwise, our children will
see only stuffed animals in the museum.
Please do not bring it to that stage. Please
take some firm action to save wild life.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Apart from
the six names given officially by the Cong-
ress Party, 3 names have come privately.
Besides there are speakers from the opposi-
tion members and the minister. Even if I
give 5 minutes to each, 1 would not be able
to manage it within 2 hours. And, l think
it is unfair to give anybody less than 5
minutes.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO
(MAHENDRAGARH) ■ I have demanded
that it should go to the Select Committee
Why not do that ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I cannot
do that or my own. Mr Nimbalkar.

SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapm) :
Sir, 1 would like to tell the gentlemen here
that within the time that this Bill was
mooted and was known to the public that it
was going to be put before the House, 17
rhinoceroses have already been killed and
their horns removed for trading. The
longer we go on delaying this Bill, the more
such incidents are going to happen. Even
if we are not completely agreeable to this
Bill— 1 myself am not — still it is necessary
in the interests of wild animals that we
should pass this Bill now without going
through the select committee stage. We can
always bring amendments. Since there are
a few ministers here, I want to say some-
thing about the kind of Bills we should
bring. Then they are will understand the flaws
in this Bill. I am myself on the committee
that is creating the Bill for water pollution.
In our country, we have been facing certain
difficulties in bringing these Bills. Other
countries have formulated their Bills and
amended them over 300 or 400 years. Our

country is being forced to make Bills in 25
years' time we have had uptill now. So,
we have to take a revolutionary attitude
towards them In these Bills must be
incorporaied certain clauses which force us to
see that this Bill is implemented. Many of
the laws we enact here become redundant
because they are not implemented. They
are formulated in such a manner that one
can avoid them. This is one such Bill, It
would be good if the minister looks into it
again and removes the lacunae when it
comes to that stage.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : How and
when ?

SHRI NIMBALKAR : When you
frame the rules, you can get rid of most of
the lacunae.

SHRI DESARATHA DEB : Then he
should agree to referring it to Select Com-
mittee.

SHRI MIMBALKAR ; The rules are
not made by the Select Committee, The
rules have to be framed by different States
because the conditions vary from State to
State.

As my hon. friend, the Minister of
Tourism, has pointed out this Bill alono
will not solve the problem. What is worse,
it does not contain one provision which will
help us to solve this problem. The Minister
has no respect for a person who goes out
and shoots 100 tigers. I also have no
respect for that person. These people aie
called shikaris. There is a great difference
between shikaris and hunters. A shikau
goes out with the jntention of killing and
bringing it home. When a hunter goes out,
he may see many he may not shoot any of
them, because he knows that it is not the
right time to shoot that type of animals m
the interests of wild life. That is why I
say that there should have been a ptovision
in this Bill to the effect that people who
are given licence to hold arms should know
something about animals, their breeding
habits etc. Then they will have really a
love of animals and out of that love of
animals preservation of those animals are
ensured. In the Alps of Europe, particu-
larly in Bavaria, I have myself seen a lot of
hunting. It is the hunters who ensure the

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preservation of animals beeause the hunters
know the habits of animals and when to
shoot or not shoot them. Many people
must have heard of Munich. If you go to
Munich, in spite of the fact that animals
are preserved in such a fine manner in that
area, still venison is available in the market
almost every day. You have to preserve
animals; but sometimes you have to destroy
animals in the interests of preservation of
animals in the area.

In this Bill nothing has been included
which concerns fish. A separate Bill should
be brought forward as early as possible for
the protection of fish.

There are three clauses of this Bill on
which 1 would like to say something.
Clause 11(3) says :

“Any wild animal killed or wounded in

defence of any person shall be Govern-
ment property ”

Really speaking, this is capable of implemen-
tation. Because, once the animal is killed
who is to bear the cost of removing it ? So,
this part cannot be implemented Some
other means must be found.

Then, clause 14(4) says that no appeal
shall be entertained unless it is preferred
within fifteen days from the date of the
communication to the applicant of the order
appealed against I feel that it should be
at least one month.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : How can

the rules correct this 7 The rules cannot

override the provisions of the Bill.

SHRI NIMBALKAR : Then, clause
17(i) reads :

“No person shall —

(1) hunt any wild animal, on any
land not owned by Government, with-
out the consent of the owner or his
agent of the lawful occupier of such
land;”

This is a ridiculous clause. It gives the
individuals the chance to have their own

sanctuaries. But with the ceiling that you
are going to bring on land, I cannot imagine
very many people having their own sanc-
tuaries. There will be only a handful of
people who will be having their own sanc-
turies and the rest of the people will not
have the benefit of that. I have no more
comments to offer on this Bill.

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO
(Mahendragarh) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir,

I welcome this long overdue measure.
Almost everbody in this House has said
that this is a very important legislation that
Government wants to enact and that it
should be made very effective. I cannot
understand why Government should feel
shy of sending this Bill to a Select Com-
mittee to make it more effective at least.

India which was once so rich in its
fauna and attracted tourists Horn all over
the world has now come to a stage when
our wild animals are depleting and dis-
appearing very fast. It has caused every-
body’s concern.

This is not the first measure of its type
in the country. I remember, 15 years ago,
the State of Punjab set the pace. A very
comprehensive legislation was introduced,
that is, the Punjab Wild Life Preservation
Act. I happened to be the Minister in-
charge, in 1957, and our Speaker, Mr.
Dhillon, was the Speaker of the Punjab
Assembly. We hoped that would serve as
a model for the whole country to preserve
wild life. That Act was extended to Delhi
State and it is stul in force in Delhi
territory.

What I ask the hon. Minister is : Does
he not know that in contravention of that
Act, even now, in Delhi, you can purchase
any number of partridges in season and out
of season from Jama Masjid ; that you can
purchase any number of cartridges from the
deep-freeze apparatus of some shop in
Connaught Place or in another shop in
Chankayapuri ? Any number of quail and
partridges in season and out of season are
sold in Delhi from year to year. U. P. and
Haryana and almost without any partridges,
quail are black buck today. The hon.
Minister belongs to Haryana. He knows
very well that his State abounded in black
buck a few years back. But in spite of the'

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Act to preserve wild animals and, parti-
cularly, black buck, the State Government
and the Central Government has not been
able to do anything either in Haryana or in
Delhi.

Haryana has suffered because of the
shikaris going out every week from Delhi,
most of them diplomats having some
immunity. Nobody has the courage to check
them. They bring any number of birds. If
the wild life, particularly, birds have dis-
appeared m India, it is not because they
were boiled in the pots of common man,
but, I maintain, it is because they have
found their way in the pot bellies of
Government officials, particulaily, policemen
forest officers, judges and magistrates who
were charged with the responsibility of
enforcing this Act. You can go to any
manage of Magistrate's daughter anywhere
in India and, l say, there will be partridges'
parties. Thousands of partridges will be
caught. These poor people cannot have the
courage to commit an offence unless insti-
gated and paid by a police officer or a
forest officer We are again charging these
people with the responsibility of preserving
wild life. That is why, 1 say, to make this
Act effective, we must think more about it.

I have been intimately connected with
this thing. That is why we request the hon.
Minister and we request you Sir, also to
use your influence. There are many lacunae
in this Bill We would like panchavats to
be given the powers to check (hese offences
in their respective areas. No Director or
Preservation Officer can find his way into
the villages and they cannot detect the
offences We might think of certain other
things. Many things have been left out of
this Bill,

I was looking at Schedule I. Our
Government does not seem to know that
even black partridges are fast disappearing
like black buck. I would suggest that this
should be included in Schedule I Painted
sandgrouse which was abundantly found in
India some years ago and imperial sand-
grouse which was abundantly found in
Bikaner and other places in India are
extinct now.

You cannot find them. They should be
included in Schedule I. Even elephants

have been included in Schedule II.
Elephants would very soon be extinct in
India like tigers. They should also be
included in Schedule I. It is a different
matter if Govern ment has the right to trap
them and to use them, but it should not be
left to hunters or game wardens to issue
licences to hunt elephants.

That is why I oppose the introduction
of this measure in such a hasty manner.
They have already taken 25 years; only now
they have woken up. Can they not wait
for one week or ten days more ? This Bill
is nothing but an exact copy of the Punjab
Wild Life Preseivation Act. What credit do
they want to appropriate to themselves by
this ? I have seen every word of this Bill ;
it is based on the Punjab Act. Why can
they not make it more effective for the
whole country ? They can also find time to
get the Resolutions of the other States in
India where the Assemblies have not yet
passed legislations to the effect that the
Centre should legislate for them. They can
force them ; they can get their Resolutions
by the next Session and then it could be an
Act for the whole country. It does not
look nice if only a few State® are mentioned
where this Act would be effective, would be
imposed. Many State Assemblies have not
yet passed Resolutions, States like Mysore
and Assam are very rich in games. It is
most important that these States also
should be made to follow suit. If they can
call the Chief Ministers for land legislation
measures and force them to do things
against the wishes of the Assemblies, why
can they not force them on such a measure
which is a beneficial thing to do ? Their
policies are contradictory. The best Shelter
that wild animals and birds find is in
common lands of villages, in pasture lands.
They are not taking any steps to see that
these common lands and pastures in villages
particularly in the plains, are exempted
from the application of ceiling laws and
preserved. If that is not done, the wild life
will completely disappear from the plains
at least. Forests are being denuded, as you
know, Sir, coming from hill areas. On the
one hand they arc denuding forests and
on the other hand they are thinking of
acquiring lands to put up forests ? Why
should they not protect the existing forests
if they really love wild life ?

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With these words, I Would say that they
could take a little more time and refer this
Bill to a Select Committee, even if the
report is to be made within a week.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am told
that there are a number of amendments
that have been sent just today. Normally a
day’s notice is necessary, but I am told
that there is one amendment by Govern-
ment also. Due weight is to be given to
the Government’s amendment to its own
Bill. If I accept the Government amend-
ment. 1 cannot discriminate against the
amendments be private members ( Interrup-
tion) Therefore, I will accept these
amendments. Efforts are being made to
circulate them. If they are not circulated,
then we shall adopt the novel procedure, as
we did the other day, of accepting amend-
ments at the last minute and asking the
members to read out their amendments.

Mr. D. P. Jadcja.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA (Jamnagar) : 1
rise to con »iatu late the Government and
the Minister, in particular, for bringing
foiward a Bill which is something different
from all those Bills on wild life, game sanc-
tuaries and forests that have been intro-
duced in this country since over a hundred
years. This Bill, in particular, is different
from others because here we concentrate
more not only on the preservation of wild
life but also for its protection fiom the
hunter and the trader. 1 am sure that this
clause is indicative of the interest which the
Government and the Minister have shown
in introducing this Bill.

This Bill, I am sure, will be a very
effective measure and the vanishing wild
life of this country will Be safe hereafter. I
would like to join my fnend, Mr.
Nimbalkar who has asked for a similar Bill
for the preservation of fish and as it con-
cerns the same Ministry, 1 would request
the hon. Minister to bring forward a Wild
Life Conservation Bill, so as to control the
exploitation of fresh-water and sea fish.

1 would like to make a few suggestions.

[ will not speak on the amendments now,
that I have given.

the Government to take away the weapon
during the off-season. I would go a stage
further and say that crop protection should
be a State subject and the Centre should see
to it that crop protection is taken by the
State and enforced properly. The arms
licences which are there should be con-
trolled and the Act that covers them should
also be amended and in that, I would like
the Minister to consider a very serious
point and that is that whenever an arms
licence is given, the game warden should
also be consulted.

As you have noticed, a number of
Members have asked for time to speak and
that shows their interests in wild life. I
would request the hon. Minister that as
there is interest in wild life from Members,
from all sides of the House, he should have
a permanent Committee at the Central level
of MPs and the Prime Minister should be
consulted about this — that is, to have a
separate Minister who should be in control
of wild life.

A system of rewards for informers —
this is a very very serious matter. Even in the
coastal areas where smuggling is going on,
the Central Excise give 10% of whatever is
caught.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER All this is
done by wild life — smuggling ?

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : The informer
who gives genuine inforiration about wild
life should be rewarded. The local people
also should be involved whereby they also
become part and parcel of the programme.
When you take ihe public into confidence,
then I feel even the staff would do excep-
tionally good work and those who do good
work in controlling the wild life should be
given promotion and should be given incre-
ments and should be suitably rewarded for
whatever work they are doing in regard to
preservation of wild life.

A suggestion I would like to make to
the Minister — let it go from the Ministry also
that every Government office and every
school in this country should have an illus-
trative chart showing those species of wild
life which are getting extinct.

Crop protection — Many members have I would like to ask the hon. Minister a

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I will not speak more on it. But, I come
from Gujarat where we have the famous
Gir forest and the Gir sanctuary is there
and I have learnt that to protect the lions,
there is a scheme to have a 4* wall allround
the sanctuary at a cost of Rs. 37 lakhs.
Pumping in money alone is not going to
save the wild life. I would like to know
whether a 4’ wall is going to stop any ani-
mal from jumping over it. what animal
except the hare or the porcupine is going to
be saved 7 Why not have some scheme
by which less money can be used and this
money, the surplus, can be given to those
shepherds and cowherds who are being
asked to move out of that area. When I
take the name of cowherds, to-day there
are over 20,000 cattie in that area, the Gir
forests, whereby no grass is left for the *
domestic animals there, namely the deer and
other ammnls on which the lion is going to
prey. To-day, 40,000 animals over and
above the 20,000 which are already there
arc allowed to come and graze. 1 would
like to know from the Government what
steps they are going to take to see that
these extra cattle do not come in.

Another thing, Gujarat is a place, so
well-known for the black buck Only 20
years ago there were over two lakhs of black
bucks. To day there are not more than
2000. Black buck are sold by truck-loads
in the Ahmedabad bazaar. What measures
the Government are going to take to con-
trol this -laughter of black bucks from the
Bhal area 7

A word about a bird which is almost
getting extinct the great Indian bustard.
The female lays only one egg a year. That
is almost getting extinct and as some of our
friends said, the Panchavati Raj institutions
should be involved in this and it is only if
the Panchayati Raj and the local village
panchayats take interest in this* this bird
can be saved; otherwise I am sure in the
next five years, you will not have a single
bird of this species to be seen.

One more point, in the north of Guja-
rat we have got the famous breeding ground
of flamingoes. May I know from the
Government what steps they are taking to
preserve this bird and in making it a tourist
attraction and also to see that this area of
flamingoes does become a national project
and not only a local project 7

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when such defence becomes necessary,
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We began
the debate at 12.55 and we are just four
minutes short of two hours. The Minister
is yet to reply to the debate. We have also
to take up clause-by-clause consideration.
There are still a large number of names
here. Fortunately they are all from the
Government side. I should like to know
what the Government wants to do with it.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Members
feel rather emotionally about it and I would
plead that you may kindly consider extend-
ing the time by about half an hour so that
four or five speakers could be accommo.
dated.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Even if it
is extended by half an hour so that four
Members could participate, it will mean one
hour because the Minister has yet to reply
and there is clause-by-clause consideration
If that is the wish of the House we shall do
80 .

SHRI J. B. PATNAIK (Cuttack) :
This is a Bill which should be welcomed
by all sections of the House. This is a
much desired Bill although a much delayed
Bill. Now we should not do anything which
would cuase further delay in enacting this
measure for which the country has been
awaiting so long. The deroage done to wild
life not only in this country but in the
.world is great and civilized men all over the
world are aware of the situation.

Figures show that about 358 kinds of
known mammals and birds became extinct
by the year 1600 A.D. Out of 4226 species
of mammals living 40 species are extinct
and out of 8648 living species of birds 93
have extinct since then.

India has fared no better. Our country
was known for the variety and richness of
its wild life, particularly bird life. Out of
8600 or so species of birds known to sci-
ence today, India has 2016 species but
many of these birds and mammals are now
on their way out. The famous cheetah known
for its speed and beauty has become extinct
since the fifties. The black buck, the four
horned antelope and the great Indian bus-
tard are on the wane, as previous speakers
pointed out.

Wanton killing of birds and beasts has
to be stopped and an enactment of this
kind should be there. But it is not on
humanitarian grounds or beauty grounds
alone that this measure should be enacted.
It is a question of benefit to the human
species itself. Some of (he African coun-
tries derive their major revenue from wild
life tourism as in Kenya, Uganda and
Tenzania. They earned as much as about
Rs. 20 crores worth of foreign exchange
from wild lifetourists. There is no reason
why India having doubled their wild life
reserves cannot develop its wild life. Then
again wanton killing of birds and animals
shows an utter ignorance of the balance
that nature has built. If snake population
diminishes the rate population increases and
a great havoc is done to crops in the pro-
cess. So also if frog population diminishes,
the increase of insects harmful to man has
to be taken into account. So, protection
of wild life has become an essential part of
our life and our enviro nment.

Coming to the Bill, I am of the opinion
that a more comprehensive Bill which should
have taken into account the entire gamut of
conservation of wild life, not only protec-
tion of wild life should have been brought
forward before this House. This Bill does
not take into account the destruction caused
by building new dams and new cities and
before station on a very large scale. I do
not mean that developmental activities should
stop, but what about the wild life that is

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279 Wild Life
[ Shri J. B. Patnaik ]
destroyed in the process and what alterna-
tive are we providing for them 7

15 hrs-

Constitution of wild life boards is all
right to stop wanton killing and control
trade in wild life products. But more
mammals and birds die because of rapid
change in their environment because of
pollution of air, water and the seas. So it
is necessary that the ecological aspect of
the whole thing should have been taken into
account.

While speaking about wild life board I
should like to suggest that ecological boards
should be formed in different states and
there should be a commissioner of ecology
in every Slate. He should be assisted by
this board. Departmental heads, such as
forest department secretary, and also secre-
tary of the irrigation and power department
of agriculture and other developmental
departments should also be associated with
these boards.

Regarding Schedule I of the Bdl I have
a doubt and 1 request the hon. Minister to
clarify it. Cheetah has been included in
schedule l but it is already extinct. Are
you going to keep «t on that schedule which
is completely meaningless ? There is also
no reference to voluntary associations in
this Bill. Voluntary associations have to
play a big part and there should be some
provision in them.

I should conclude by referring to Simili-
pal national park in Orissa. It is already
there on the wild hfe map of India but this
will not do; I should like the Central
Government to come in a big way and take
up this national park and develop it as their
own.

•

Secondly, Chilka lake is one of the
biggest lakes on the eastern coast. Chilka
has suffered because of ecological reasons.
Earlier it was proposed that there would be
a naval training school for boys in Chilka
lake but that had been postponed because
ecologists objected that bird life there would
be destroyed. I request the Government of
India to compensate it by developing Chilka
lake as the biggest bird sanctuary of our
country.

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ft f® gsri fi ff eft sger apssr ft i

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?*r ftsi sifaq i isft | :

15. No person shall, unless specially
authorised by a licence, hunt the
young of any wild animal, other
than vermin, or any female of such
animal, or any deer with antlers in
velvet.

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srfeft ? ff stft ft final f i sTifts
s^i fassr sif?^, sis ?t 12 sts ft ftft

Bill 284

283 Wild Life protection) AUGUST 21, 1972

[sftaeft HftaH Hlf TIT]

arr ark araae aft arer ara i ff, $ae

qar ^at 3TfcT %, afHH if 5ft frmtf art afcl
akriH 4Rerr t I HHR, Hf Hrfc aft ^RTf
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ate aft jpft arcae %. aaart eerr ftat
differ i ftnnrrc af* sre arat faa? arra
in aran ft arq eft aaart aae arear
arffq, snaar agf arear aifgq i faarrfV
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Hirer | art far are^T HraferaHar | i fir
art ^uer etarr arrar arfgq i

ffft ereg it erar ata Hint erfaifr
art aare afjiaft if fa*R % fait arret |
ak ag r lr fgea arfc art hr are wfi
Hit art aarra % faq arra if eu^ 1 1 fa
art at 12 ara ir agir ^ arraae aft
aret arfgq i im fataa | far after-
ar^at at e<ar gtat arfgq I H J aara i

sft aaa?a Him ( areat) heist aft-
er jt, ?jt art ar? ir faarre itaar at ara |
ft, afara ag air ara faarie %aar ate
faar gfHare % ata art | ag agrara
aftat t faarR vt ^aarer aat art i erar
HfRTarrat t nat aarraata % faq ?a
srar art farar ak ag aar aaert egt
aeftar af far far art araa aea ft aq i
anat arr ara a|t egr i fart: era* ara %
fara eret% ir aaa ara | fa% art *r
arfar arfsa 1 1 (waaia) araata a«*
art aar aft far Trawia if at afaa 1 1
aaajT t fa% a a fa at aaa aaaa
Jr at 1 1 arat anare a art t a?r ftar
far nea^e art aaaaft tf ?r arf HTaae
a^r aq i ar? % arr^a arajT aaaaft
fa afsar^ ft aan

1912 qa arr^a aar ar ak anr
60 ara ^ ara af arraa ar Tf t | i eft
faart aar aar at ? af^r af-a 1912 Jf
arraa aar ar ate 1950 if mta ifaer
aarf eara ^fa= a aaa 3 af arer era ff
far f aat aaat qa taaa ^tks atfaeft
aa areat aifft r 1950 a ara fa tear
aftl arraarft aft aft af faaar aatar
af far fa fa 22 ara *r ar^ afaa aa
air ate anaae aarer ft aq ar aa aq
ak aatfaak ^ faq artf araa aft e| i
at fa ata aaa faara art ae araet 1 1
^faraaeaa at ara aq at a^ar 1 1
aat aftaa arr at ara | araata ^refaf ,
at $re at a% ak faf at a%, af star
ara t i ^r^a aft aia arq ^ fa^r
a|a ^rrfaar | i fa arraa if q*r ^rat |
faa^t aaf ir arfaarfaat at |car ft
araat i aarf aratje a q^r arf^a ate
at f aeke t are faar, aea 5 e if ^t.
qir. at. t zrfae aft ^ea are tear i at
at aerrret araaret ftt | aa% aatfaata
arr af araa 1 1 f a q^e a af ftar fa
arfaarfaat ^rt jfaa atara ^e a?at 1 1
ata arfet | fa ark?e atferfartraa aret
^re % afaa 4ft % %*rr af®aa aeaa if i

It will be acquired for a public purpose.

at at arfaarat afr eft | aairt
4rat?taa aft fa%ar i faa arfaarat *t
50 atar aata | aa^ft ara aar araf-

a^aa ?it ? We have acquired it for a
public purpose and, therefore, we want to
give you only a little amount, ate fearaet

% art if ara t &rr ftar far aaarr Jr?f-
fet atataa ( fr af |?a ^ i *f aat
|$a ara' far ara^t aara far araae
arer aar i at aiaaf aia aaa if ef efr
| rjaart af fa^a rO ftat fa aft aar
farat araae 4ft f?fr ft at t at af aa

285

Wild Life protection) SR A VAN A 30, 1894 (&4JM)

B ill 286

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287 Wild Life

AUGUST 21, 1972

(Protection) Bill 288

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Bill 290

2» Mid Life (Protection) SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA)

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T^'PT I

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : I am extremely grateful
to hon. Members who have participated in
the debate and who generally welcomed
this BiP. I am especially grealful to
Dr. Karan Singh who intervened in the
Debate and who lightened us by his speech
which was Full of emotion and which was
rational also. One point raised by hon.
Members was regarding the protection of
the interests of the tribals. Mr. Deb and
other? mentioned this. We tried to collect

291 Wild Life ( Protection ) AUGUST

[Prof. Sher Singh]

information from all the States regarding
the hunting rights of the tribils and the
information that we received was from only
one State, the Union Territory of Anda-
mans. There are some hunting rights of
tribals. We have protected those rights.
We have provided this in Section 65 of this
Bill. Therein we have provided that the
hunting rights conferred on the Scheduled
Tribes of the Nicobar islands in the Union
Territory of Andaman and Nicobar islands
will be protected. There are forest laws
which even now cover hunting, and there,
hunting is prohibited for tnba’s as well as
for others.

One question was raised about the
difficulty which they may have to face for
protecting the crop The fear was, they may
not be able to kill the animals for saving
the crops. This point was raised by some
hon. Members. 1 request them to read Sec-
tion 11 (1) (b) wheiein it is provided that
the Chief Wild Life Warden or the authorised
offiecer may, if he is satisfied that any wild
animal specified in Schedule II, Schedule
11 [ or Schedule IV, has become dangerous
to human life or to property (including stan-
ding crops on any land) or is so disabled or
diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order
in writing and stating the reasons therefor,
permit and person to hunt such animal or
cause such animal to be hunted. Property
includes cattle also If the animal becomes
dangerous for cattle and for persons or for
crops, that animal included in Schedules
II to IV can be killed. The only exemption
is in respect of Schedule I, because, these
are rarest of animals which we do not want
to become extinct.

SHRI R V. BADE : The animal can be
killed wiih the permissioa of the Govern-
ment if it becomes dangerous. That can be
done with the permission* of the Govern-
ment. But, if it attacks cattle, can you
suo motu kill it or not ?

PROF. SHER SINGH : Here it says—

' Chief Wild Life Warden or the authorised
officer”. There are so many officers in the
forest itself. The cultivator can obtain per-
mission from him and then kill. That pro-
vision is already there.

SHRI DASARATHA DFB : I know of
one case where so many crops were destroyed

21, 1972 Bill 292

because a tiger was killing the cattle; I had
to wait for one full month, before I got per-
mission from the State Government to kill
that particular tiger. After waiting for a
long time when the permission came, I
killed it.

PROF. SHER SINGH : Professor Hireo
Mukerjee raised several points. He men-
tioned about Rewa white Tigers. He wan-
ted to know whether they are being main-
tained or not. I want to mention for his
information that they are being maintained,
in the Delhi Zoo’ogcal Park. He raised the
question of the bird sanctuary in the Salt
Lake area. We are in correspondence with
the West Bengal Government. But the
Civil Aviation Department has raised some
objection, regarding the formation of a b*rd
sanc'uary there because of its nearness to
the airport. We are considering all these
points. As for the provision of better tele-
communication facilities, this is also
under active consideration of the Govern-
ment for certain selected sanctuaries and
national parks. Grant of permission for
phoiogiaphic use of sancluanes is also pro-
vided for. Some points weic raised about
laxi dermy. Control of commerce in wild
animals and laxi-dermy is provided for in
Chapter V.

One point was raised by Shri Daga.
This is about the term ‘public purpose'. He
said this term need not be there, so that
compensation may not be heavy It is not
possible for us to acquire any land unless
it is acquired for a public pu.posc. There-
fore we have to make this particular pro-
vision for it.

References were made about black buck,
portndges and elephants. We have ntho-
rised the State Government and the State
Governments have powers to include any
animnl, not being those of Schedule I or
the second part of Schedule II. It is diffi-
cult for them to take out once they are
included in Schedule 1, but they can always
add animals in the first part of Schedule II.
That power rests with the Slate Govern-
ment.

Mr. Mohanraj Kalingarayar of Tamil-
nadu spoke about the raising of ucalyptus
plantations. I [psty inform him, this is not

293 Wild Life Protection) SR AVAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA)

Bill 294

done in wild life reserve areas. This is only
done in protective forests. He also raised
the question of locating vaterinary dispen-
saries in sanctuaries and national pa rks. We
have made provision for inoculation and
prophylactic measures against diseases in
sanctuaries. It has been provided for. But
I do not think that it is necessary for every
sanctuary or every national park to have a
veterinary dispensary of its own, because it
is nnt possible for us to bring those animals
every now and then, because those animals
are not there to be caught. So, there is no
need to locate any dispensary there.

A question has been raised about fish,
whether fish is also included in wild life
and whether something is being done in
regard to fish also. There is a provision in
the Bill under which fishing also could be
regulated.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA That is only
for inland fisheries.

SHRI ZULFIQUAR ALI KHA*
(Rampur) There are two types of fish
actually.

PROF. SHER SINGH : I agree with
the hon. Member that we should have some
organisation at the all India level to protect
wild life.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : One for fnh

also.

PROF. SHER SINGH : We have one
headed by Dr. Karan Singh, and under his
dynamic leadership, the Indian Board for
Wild Life is doing very well, I suppose
everyone will agree with me on this, and
we should congratulate him for the various
steps that he has been taking for protecting
wild life.

As for the ecological aspect also, because
due to water pollution or air pollution etc
wild life is destroyed, recently Government
have constituted a National Committee on

Environmental Planning.

» -

As for referring this Bill to a Select
Committee, I dd not agree because if it is

referred, it will take some more time, and
as one hon. Member has said, within two
or three days of the introduction of this
Bill, seven rhinoceroses have been killed,
and, therefore, I think that in the interes ts
of wild life protection, it is necessary that
once this Bill is moved, we should not waste
any time but should pass it immediately.

I thank all hon. Members who have
taken part in the this debate and welcomed
this Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That the Bill to provide for the pro-
tection of wild animals and birds and
for matters connected therewith or
ancillary or incidental thereto, be taken
into consideration.”

The motion was adopted

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall
now take up clause- by-clause consideration.
Since there are no amendments to clauses 2
to 4 I shall put them together to vote.

The question is :

“That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the
Bill”.

The motion was adopted
( louse 2 to 4 were added to the Bill.

Clause 5 — ( Power to delegate)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I now
come to clause 5.

SARI D P. JADEJA : I have an amend-
ment to the Title.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Normally
we take up clause 2 first and go on till we
come to the end of the clauses and the
Schedules, if any, and then we take up clause
1, the Enacting Formula and the Title. That
is the procedure.

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 1 beg to move :

Page 5, lines 1 and 2, omit ‘with the
previous approval of the Central
Government.' (12)

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[Shri M.C. Daga]

Page 5, lines 5 and 6, omit ‘with the
previous approval of the State Govern-
ment*. (13)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I shall now
put these two amendments to vote.

Amendments Nos. 12 and 13 were put
and negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER The

question is :

“That clause 5 stand part of the Bill’*.

The motion was adopted.

Clause 5 was added to the Bill.

Clause 6 ( Constitution of wiid Life
Advisory Board)

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
a number of amendments to clause 6, some
of which have been given notice of only to-
day. If they are moved, I shall read out
those amendments to the House. Others
which were circulated before need not be
read out.

Is Shri D. P. Jadeja moving h,s amend-
ments?

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, I am not
moving them. But 1 would like to
explain. . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Is he
moving the amendments or not ?

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No.

SHRI M. C. DAGA C : I beg to move :

Page 5, line 21, for ‘Chief Secretary*
substitute ‘Revenue Secretary* (14)

Page 5, line 32, after ‘and’ insert ‘not
exceeding three*. (15)

Page 5, line 32, after ‘non-off icials,*
insert ‘the rest*. (16)

jPage 5, (i) lines 35 and 36,—

5 for ‘one of the members of the
Board’ substitute ‘Chief Conservator of
Forests or Chif Wild Life Warden*

(ii) line 36, — for ‘thereof* substi-
tute ‘of the Board*. (17)

SHRI R. V. BADE : I beg to move :
Page 5, after line 34, insert :

‘Provided in those Districts where
there are tribal blocks, four members out
of fifteen should be from the Scheduled
Tribe*. (50)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an
amendment standing in the name of Prof.
Sher Singh. Is he moving it ?

PROF. SHER SINGH : No, I am not
moving it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 shall put
all amendments together.

SHRI R. V. BADE Mine may be
put separately.

PROF. SHER SINGH: I accept amend-
ment No. 17 moved by Shri M. C Daga.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now
put amendment No. 14 by Shri Daga to
vote.

Amendment No. 14 was put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question
is :

Page 5,—

(i) lines 35 and 36. —

Por “one of the members of the the
Board” svbstimte “Chief Conservator |
of Forests o* Chief Wild Life frffj otr »

(n) line 36 , — for “(hereof” substitute
"of the Board”. (17)

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER : I shall now
put amendments Nos, I? and 16 to vote.

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B ill 298

Amendments Nos. 15 and 16 were
put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall
now put amendment No. 50 by Shri Bade to
vote.

Amendment No. 50 was put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The

question is :

“That clause 6, as amended f stand part
of the Bill”.

The motion was adopted.

Clause 6, as amended , was added to the Bill.

Clause 7 — ( Procedure to be followed
by the Board )

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to
move :

Page 5, —

after line 44, insert —

"Provided that no such meeting shall be
held outsido territory of the respective
State.” (31)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
amendmen No. 31 to vote.

Amendment No. 31 was pwt and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 7 stand part of the Bill”.
The motion was adopted .

Clause 7 was added to the Bill .

Clause 8 was added to the Bill •

Clause 9 — (Hunting of wild animals)
PROF. SHER SINGH ; I move :

Page 6, line 21, —

for “under” substitute “referred to
in” (60)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question

Page 6, line 21, —

for “under” substitute “referred to
in” (60)

7 he Motion was adopted

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Tne ques-
tion is :

“That clause 9, as amended, stand part
of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause 9 , a s amended , was added
to the Bill.

Clause 10 waj added to the Bill.

Clause It (Hunting of wild aimals
to be permitted in certain cases

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I move :

Page 7, line 31, —

after “person” insert —

“or in defence of one’s standing
crops” (32)

Page 7,—

after line 37, insert —

“Piovided that qieat of the killed wild
animal or animals shall not be used as
traditionally eaten category of
food by the killer.” (33)

SHRI R. V. BADE : I move :

Page 7, line 31, — •

after “person” Insert —

“or for protection of his cattle or
crops” (51)

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Bill

300

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; I shall put
these amendments to the vote.

Amendments Nos . 32, 53 an d 51
were put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 11 stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 1 1 was added to the Bill.

Clause 12 was added to the Bill.

Clause 13 — ( Suspension or cance-
llation of Licence)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an
amendment by Mr. Rana. Are you moving?
—No. The question is :

“That clause 13 stand part of the Bill.”

The motion waj adopted ,

Clause 13 wa* added to the Bill.

Clause 14 (Appeals)

SHRl DASARATHA DEB : 1 move :

Page 8, line 21, —

after “communication” insert —

“reached” (34)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
the amendment to the vote.

Amendment No. 34 was put and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 14 staad part of the Bill."
The motion was adopted.

Clause 14 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 15 and 16 were added to the Bill .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Amendment
No. 21. Mr. Daga — not moving. The
question is :

“That clause 17 stand part of the Bill.”
The motion was adopted.

Clause 17 war added to the Bill .

Clause 18 was added to the Bill .

Clause 19 — (Collector to deterimine
rights)

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I move :
Page 9, line 35. —
add at the end —

“Right of any person in or over the
land comprised within the limits of the
sanctuary shall include the rights of
tribal thumias over the land which has
been traditionally used for the purpose
of jhum cultivation by tribal
people.” (35)

SHRI R. V. BADE : I move :

Page 9, line 35,—
add at the end —

“The Collector should see that such
area is not near the vicinity of irrigated
land or land used for growing crops.”
(52)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
these amendments to the vote.

Amendments Nos t 35 and 52 were
pnt an d negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 19 stand part of the Bill."
T he motion was adopted .

Clause 19 was added to the BUL

Bill 302

J01 Wildlife ( Protection ) SR A VAN A 30, 1894 (SAkA)

Clauses 20 to 26 were added
to the Bill

Clause 27 — {Restriction on entry
in sanctuary)

SHR1 DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I have
aD amendment, No. 36 to clause 27. I beg
to move :

Page 11,—

omit lines 26 to 43. (36)

PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 beg to move
my amendment No. 61 to clause 27. I beg
to move :

Page 11, line 16, —

for “who ordinarily resides*'

substitute—

“who has been permitted by the Chief
Wild Life Warden or the authorised
officer to reside” (61)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I put

amended No. 36 to the vote of the House.

Amendmeut No. 36 was put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I Put
amendment No 61 to the vote of the House
The question is :

Page 11, line 16 —

for “who ordinarily resides”

substitute —

“who has been permitted by the Chief
Wild Life Warden or the authorised
officer to reside” (61)

The motion was adopted .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“TJhat clause 27, as amended, stand
part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 27, as amended , was added
to the Bill .

Clauses 28 and 29 were added
to the Bill.

Clause 30— (Causing fire prohibited)

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I hate
an amendment to clause 30. I beg to move :

Page 12, —

after line 42 inssert . —

“Provided that nothing contained in
clause 30 shall render any such person
liable to any punishment if he sets fire
for ihe purpose of jhuming in the near-
by area and if such fire caused the
burning of a sanctuary due to the
spread of fire of the burning of
jhum.” (37)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I put
amendment No. 37 to the vote of the
House.

Amendment No. 37 was put and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 30 stand part of the Bill.'*
The motion was adopted.

Clause 30 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 31 to 34 were added to the Bill.

Clauss 35 — (Declaration of National Parks)

SHRI R. V. BADE : Sir, I have an
amendment to clause 35.

I beg to move :

Page 13,—

after line 42, insert —

“provided that the area declared to be
a national park or sanctuary should be
five miles away from the land used for
growing crops.” (53)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
amendment No. 53 to the vote of the
House.

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[Mr. Deputy-Speaker]

Amendment No. S3 was put an d negatived

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

"That clause 35 stand part of the Bill ”
The motion was adopted.

Clause 35 wa s added to the B ill.

Clauses 36 to 38 were added to the Bill .

Clause 39 — (Wild animals , etc , to be
Government property)

SHRI DASARATHA DFB : Sir I have
an amendment to clause 39.

I beg to move :

Page 15, — lines 17 and 18, —

omit "or meat derived from any wild
animal” (38)

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
amendment No. 38 to the vote of the
House.

Amendment No 38 was put and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

"That clause 39 stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause 39 was added to the Bill .

Clause 40 — (Declarations)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
two amendments — Nos. 39 and 40 by Mr.
Deb and No 62 by Prof. Shcr Singh.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to
move :

Page 16, line 2, —

omit "or meat derived from such
animal/’ (39)

Page 16, —

after line 5, insert—

"Provided that nothing contained in
this sub-clause shall apply to the wild
animals' articles that were acquired and
have been possessed by any person
before the commencement of this Act/*
(40)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will put
Amendments Nos. 39 and 40 to the House,

Amendments No. 39 and 40 were put
and negatived.

Amendment made :

Page 15, line 49, —

after “for sale” insert —

"or otherwise transfer” (62)

(Prof S her Singh)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

"That clause 40 as amended stand part
of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause A 0, as amended , was added
to the Bill.

Clawse 41 was added to the Bill.

Clause 42(C — ertificate of ownership)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEARER : There are
two amendments. Amendment No. 7 is by
Prof. Sher Singh. That has been circulated.
No. 41 is by Mr. Deb.

Amendment made :

Page 16, —

omit line 33 (7)

(Prof. Sher Singh)

SHRI DASARATHA DEB i I beg to
move :

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$RAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) ( Protection ) Bill

Page 16, —

after lioe 33, insert —

‘*(3) Nothing in sub-section (1) shall
apply in relation to wild animals and
wild animals* articles possessed by any
person before the commencement of
this Act.*' (41)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now
put Mr. Deb's amendment No. 41 .

Amendment No. 41 was put an d
negatived

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKEY : The ques :
tion is :

“That clause 42. as amended, stand
part of the Bill."

The motion was adapted.

Clause 42 , as amended , was added to
the Bill.

Clause 43—

(Regulation of transfer of animal, etc.)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an
amendment by Shri Jadeja. He is not
moving it. The question is :

“That clause 43 stand part of the Bill.”
The motion was adopted.

Clause 44 —

(Dealings in t roply and animal articles
w i\h out licence prohibited )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
three amendments by Mr Bade — Nos. 54,
55 and 56.

SHRI R. V. BADE : 1 beg to move :

Page 18, line 17, —

for “fifteen” subsitute “thirty” (54)

Page 18, line 39. —

306

for “one year” subsitute three

years” (55)

Page 18, line 41,—

' for “one year” substitute ‘throe

years” (56;

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will
now put these amendments of Mr. Bade
to the House.

Amendments Nos. 54 to 56 were put and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 44 stand part of the Bill.”
The mot/on was adopted.

Clause 44 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 45 to 43 were added to the Bill.

Clause 49—

Purchase of captive animal , etc. by a
person other than a licensee

16 hrs.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I beg to move:
Page 20, line 25, —

after “purchase” insert “receive” (29)

PROF. SHER SINGH: lam accept-
ing it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is : 1

Page 20, line 25, —

after “purchase” insert, “receive** (29)

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 49, as amended, stand part
of the Bill”.

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[Mr. Deputy-Speaker]

The motion was adopted. Amendments Nos . 4 2 to 47 and 57

Clause 49, as amended , was added to the
Bill.

Clause 50 was added to the Bill.

Clause 51 — (Penalties)

SHR1 DASARATHA DEB : 1 beg to

move ;

Page 21, line 49, —

for “two years” substitute “six months'*
(42)

Page 21, line 50,

for “two thousand" substiute “one
hundred" (43)

Page 22, line 6 and 7,

for “six years" substitute “one year"
(44)

Page 22, line 7,

for “five" substitute “one" (45)

Page 22, line 10,

for “one year" substitute “six months"
(46)

Page 22, line 11,

for “one thousand" substitute
“one hundred". (47)

SHR1 R. V. BADE : I beg to move :
Page 22,

omit lines 22 to 27. (57)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Amend-
ment No. 48 is not admissible because an
amendment cannot have a negative effect. I
will now put Amendment Nos. 42 to 47 and
57 to the vote of the House.

were p ui and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 51 stand part of the Bill'*

The motion was adopted .

Clause 51 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 52 t* 54 were added to the
Bill.

Clause 55 — (Cognizance of offences)
PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 beg to move :

Page 23, lines 16 and 17, —
for “the authorised officer"

substitute —

“such other officer as the State Govern-
ment may authorise in this behalf" (11)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

Page 23, lines 16 and 17, —
for 1 the authorised officer"

substitute — ■

“such other officer as tho State Govern-
ment may authorise in this behalf" (11)

The motion was addopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 55, as amended, stand
part of the Bill"

The motion was adopted.

Clause 55, as amended , was added
to the Bill .

Clauses 56 and 57 were added to
the BUI .

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Bill 310

Clause 58 — ( Offences by companies.

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to
move ;

Page 23,—

omit lines 37 to 40. (39)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will
now put amendment No. 49 to the vote of
the House.

Amendment No. 49 was put and
negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The

question is :

“That clause 58 stand part of the Bill 1 *
The motion was adopted.

Clause 58 was added to the Bill.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is
no amendment to clauses 59 to 61. 1 put

them to the vote of the House.

The question is :

“That clauses 59 to 61 stand part of the

Bill”

The motion was adopted .

Clauses 59 to 61 were added to the Bill

Clause 62 {Declaration of certain
wild animals to be vermin.

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to
move .

Page 25, line 1, —

for “Notwithstanding anything contai-
ned in sub-section (2)”

substitute “Subject to the provisions”

( 8 )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The

question is :

Page 25, line 1, —

for “Notwithstanding anything contained
in sub-section (2)”

substitute “Subject to the provision (8)

The motion was adopted .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“Clauses 62 as amended, stand part of
the Bill”.

The motion was adopted.

Clause 62, as amended , was added
to the Bill

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is
no amendments to clauses 63 to 66.

The question is :

“That clauses 63 to 66 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion was adopted

Clause 6 3 to 66 were added to the Bill
Firs 1 Schedule

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to
move :

Page 28, —

in item 17, —

for “harmani” substitute “crossoptilon”
(9)

SHRI R. V. BADE : I beg to move :

Page 28, —

after line 31, Insert —

“19. Peecock {Mayur). (58)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I
put amendment No. 9 moved by Prof. Sher
Singh to the vote of the House.

The question is :

Page 28, —

in item 17, —

for ''harmanr* substitute “crossoptilon”
(9)

The motion was adopted -

SHRI R. V. BADE :
ing my amendment.

I am

withdraw-

Amendment No. 58
withdrawn.

was,

by leave ,

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER :
tion is :

The ques-

“First Schedule, as amended,

stand part

Of the Bill.”

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[ Mr. Deputy Speaker ]

The motion was adopted .

First Schedule , as amended, was added
the Bill

Second Schedule , Third Schedule

an d Fourth Schedule were added to the Bi //,

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, Sir; I am
not moving.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So, I put
clause 1, the Enacting Formula, the Pream-
ble and (he Long Title to the vote of the
House.

Fifth Schedule

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
two amendments Nos. 6 and 30 in the name
of Shri D. P. Jadeja.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I beg to move :

Page 33,—

omit line 10. (6)

Page 33, line 4, —

omit "1. Bandicoots.” (30)

PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 am accept-

ing Amendment Nos. 6 and 30.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; The ques-
tion is :

The question is :

“That Clause 1, the Enacting Formula,
the Preamble and the Title stand part
of the Bill”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 1 , the Enacting Formula the
Preamb\e and the Title were added to the Bill .

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to move :

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The quei-
tion is :

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.*’
The motion was adopt ed.

Phge 33,—

omit line 10. (6)

Page 33 line 4, —

0 m/t“l. Bandicoots.’’ (30)

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

“Fifth Schedule, as amended, stand

part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

Fifth Schedule, as amended , was added
to the B/ll.

Clause 1 — (Short t/tle, extent and commen-
cement .)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is
an amendment to clause 1 by Shri Jadeja.
Are you moving ?

16.10 hrs.

VICTORIA MEMORIAL (AMENDMENT)
BILL

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The House
will now take up the next item, Victoria
Memorial (Amendment) Bill. Prof. S.
Nurul Hasan :

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg to
move ;

“That the Bill further to amend the
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consi-
deration.”

16 - 10 - 1/2 hrs.

( SHRI K. N. TlWARY /n the Chair )

This is a very simple measure which is
being brought before the House. As the
hon. House is aware, this Act was oriyi*

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nally brought about for certain historical
reasons, but what has happened in the
meanwhile is that it has now developed
into a period museum of considerable signi-
ficance. The estimates Committee of
Parliament had suggested measures to bring
about cert in improvements and m accor-
dance with the broad wishes expressed by
the Estimates Committee, the foltowihg
schemes have been included in the Fourth
Plan for implementation : (l) improvement
of library; (2) setting up of a conservation
unit; (3) development schemes suggested by
the Estimates Committee regarding display
of objects and procurement of scientific
equipment for preservation, including cellu-
lose acetate papers; (4) preparation of
standardised stock register and classified
catalogues; and (5) publication of guide
books.

Some money has already been provided
in the Budget in the current year and more
will be allocated during the balance of the
Fourth Plan.

It was felt that, in the manner in which
this Act was originally conceived, no quali-
fications were provided for the membership
of the Board. In this very short Bill it is
said that the two nominees of the Govern-
ment and the oiher persoru who are to be
appointed by the trustees would all be
persons having expert knowledge of the
exhibits in the Museum, museologists, histo-
rians or art historians.

Another provision which this Bill seeks
to introduce is that, instead of the {resident
beinc (he President of the Board, the Minis-
ter in charge of the Ministry of the ’’cntral
Government concerned with matters elating
to Victoria Memorial shall be the president.

This particular measure has caused
certain misgivings which has been expressed
in the other Ho ise and which, 1 am sure,
would be wide!, held in this House, also,
and that is. regarding i he name ‘Victoria
Memorial'. 1 would like to clarify that it is
a name which n.akes me feel very unhappy
indeed as I had stated in the other House.
But, at the mot ent, Sir, it is a name which
occurs id List 1 of the Seventh Scheu lie of
the Constitute \ and I am having this
matter examined, whether it would be

possible for us to change this and if so, in
what manner. In any case, that slant that
has to be given to this Museum is a very
different one, on the basis of which this
institution was originally set up. The Board,
as it was constituted, hardly provided any
opportunity for the experts to give this new
slant rind, therefore, 1 am seeking your
indulgence and through you of this House
to put forward this measure. I hope that,
as a result of this measure, the new slant
which all of us want to give to this Museum
will be given so that it becomes a centre
of modern ladian history, that it portrays
quite correctly the hopes and aspirations of
the masses of the people, particularly, the
struggle for f eedom, and that whatever
ojects of art are there are properly looked
after, maintained and exhibred.

J, therefore, hope that this measure
would be accepted by the House.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved :

“That the Bill further to amend the
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consi-
deration."

♦SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR
(Mathurapur) * Mr Chairman, Sir, I was
concerned about this nomenclature ‘Victoria
memorial' even before the Hon. Minister of
Education mentioned about it This name
recalls to our minds those hateful and
shameful days of the British rule in India.
This name is a symbol of those days which
we are reminded of with a sense of humilia-
tion.

After 25 years of Independence and
after 22 years of the adoption of the Consti-
tution of India, this abnoxious nomenclature
shoi\ld have been changed through an amend-
ment in the Constitution. We are surprised
that this has not been done through all those
years. This ought to have been done much
earlier. I hope the Government will take
up thi ^ natter at the earliest. We have
amencec very intricate and controversial
provis ons of ihe Constitution. I do not
think ht t any Member of this House or of
Rajya Sabha will oppose the amendment
in the C mstitu ion to change this obnoxious
name vhich omy reminds us of our days of
subjuga ioi and ihe worst days of British Colo

♦The original speech was deliveied in Bengali.

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[Sbri Madhuryva Haidar]

nialism of which we were the victims. Only
the minimum possible time will be required
to amend the Constitution for this purpose
and this measure will not meet with any
opposition from any quarters. We have
seen that the names of many roads in Cal-
cutta and elsewhere in the country have
been changed and the statues of many
British rulers have been removed. There-
fore, changing the name of this memorial
should not pose any problem.

Coming to this Bill, Sir, in the first
amendment the word ‘President of India'
occurring in the earlier Bill has been substitu
ted by the words ‘the Ministry of the Central
Government concerned with matters relating
to the Victoria Memorial'. There is nothing
to object to this amendment because the
President is guided by the advice given by
the Ministers, anyway.

As regards the seconda mendment, /.e.,
clause (d) I have to say, Sir, that ^according
to this amendment only those persons who
‘in the opinion’ of the Central Government
have expert knowledge of the exhibits in
the Victoria Memorial or are musicologists,
historians or art historians will be nominated
by the Government. I have apprehension
about this term 'in the opinion of the Go-
vernment. This means that if the Government
feels that some personss posses the necessary
qualifications they can be nominated by the
Government, he may be any Tom, Dick and
Harry. This matter of ‘opinion’ is the vital
thing. If in the opinion of the Central
Government they are musicologists or histo-
rians or art historians, they can be nomi-
nated though they may not have any know-
ledge or qualifications in those lines.

During the celebration of the Silver
Jubilee of our Independence, some freedom
lighters of West Bengal were selected by the
Government for being honoured through
presentation of ‘Tamra Patras’. It was
widely published in leading papers that many
prominent and genuine freedom fighters
have been left out of the list and as a result
they were not presented with these Tamra
Patras. It appeared that they were not
eligible for this honour. This is an instance
how the Government's opinion works.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Mention about
Tamrapatra is not relevant. This Bill is
about Victoria Memorial.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : I
am only citing the example. Her it is said :

"That in the opinion of the Central
Government”. Opinions differ.

MR. CHAIRMAN : What is the use
of going into Tamra Patra or any patra ?
It is not relevant. Now you come to the
Bill.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
About the third amendment, Sir, it has been
stated in ter- alia therein 'shall be nominated
by the Trustees ’ We have objection to
this word ‘nominated’ again. The trustees
will nominate the representatives to represent
the general body of subscribers. This is not
proper. There is no guarantee that such
persons will represent the subscribers in the
real sense. For example a member of Parlia-
ment can be said to represent the Parlia-
ment That I can understand. But if an
outsider who is not a member of Parliament
is said to represent the Parliament will, that
be proper ? Therefore, the subscribers
should choose their own representatives.
The provision of the Bill is not clear here.
Why should the trustees nominate them ?

I feel that the word ‘nominated’ should be
substituted by the word ‘elected by the
subscribers.’ This will be in keeping with
democratic principle also. I hope the hon.
Minister will agree to the suggestion based
on democratic principles, if he cares for
democratic values.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I
fully agree with the sentiments expressed by
my colleague who spoke before me. It is
a tragedy, it is a sad commentary on our
democracy, that still we have to tolerate the
name of Victoria Memorial. Although I
do not come from Calcutta, I visit
Calcutta. There are thousands of
foreigners who go there and take
photograph of this memorial. Some of
them turn round and ask us : How is it
that you tolerate this photo of this lady, a
relic of foreign imperialism, who bled your

317 Victoria

SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Memorial (. Andt .) BUI 318

country white ? We are unable to give an
answer. Such statues in other countries
have been removed. Even in Calcutta
the statue of King George V was
removed and those of the Army
Generals who bled our country white were
all removed. But (he statue of this lady
remains shining even today. 1 do not know
what is the good in her. Is it because she
was a friend of India ? Not at all. During
her reign the maximum of mis-rule took
place in India. She bled our country
white.

I am sure, you, Mr. Chairman, will
permit me to say that the worst massacre
took place in this country during her rule.
It is my submission that this hated relic and
symbol of British tyranny should be removed
forthwith Let it be kept in a museum if
at all it should be preserved, with a caption
on its head : "Here lies the relic of British
Imperialism; she was responsible for blood-
shed in our country.”

In reply to the debate in the oiher
House the hon. Minister said that he would
like to give a different slant but then there
are constitutional difficulties in the way
to remove th,- name. I think if there is any
provision standing in the way, it should be
amended and both the Houses will only too
gladly and readily agree to change the name,
Victoria Memorial.

This can be a great museum where pain-
tings of great leaders, martyrs of Bengal can
be hung like C. R. Das, J. M. Sen Gupta,
Subhas Chandra Bose, Jatin Das, ill those
whom Britishers used to call 'terrorists'
but who really terrorised the Britr ers and
challenged the British Imperialism with the
help of their revolvers. What do we find
there ? What are the pamtinj there 7
One of the paintings is the battle o' Plassy
where Mir J dfer is shown surren ering to
Lord Clive. That photograph is ii .il! there.
Thousands o: people go there.

There is a suggestion by many eminent
artists and diamatists that it should be made
a national theatre. Articles have been
written in the Jugantar about this. I hope
the hon. Minster will kindly get them trans-
lated apd rer 1 them. There is a movement
going on in West Bengal that this should
be converted mto a national theatre. Some
people say that this should be converted
into a national museum where the letters

and other literature of the terrorists, or
those whon the Britishers called terrorita and
the freedom-fighters and martyrs should be
kept. Instead of that, where are these things
kept today ? Perhaps, they may be kept
in the Lai Bazar Thana. I do not know
whether they have been burnt.

Here is a golden opportunity to remove
that lady from there, her repulsive and
repugnant face, and immediately she must
be replaced by the statues of our martyrs
who had shed the last drop of their blood
for the sake of the country.

I would request the hon. Minister who
is a product of the nationalist struggle, and
who knows the subject well to consider
this matter. We are fortunate to ge* an
Education Minister who knows something
about education. I would request him to
associate renowned historians, and they
should be possibly nominated on this parti-
cular committee. I have no objection if
that is done. But 1 would only request the
hon. Minister to consider one thing. I
would like to suggest to him that we can
follow what is done in the other countries.
For instance, if we go to the Soviet Union,
we find that students are taken and they
are shown those places where the enemies
of the revolution were shot. Those pic-
tures and paintings are all there ; there are
also the pictures of those who had stood
against communism. If we go to the Latin
American countries also, there also they
will show us pictures and paintings of
those who wanted to rob their country.

Here, I take my hats off to the peace-
ful people of Calcutta who have not
removed the statue of Queen Victoria. We
could remove her statue in Kanpur ; one
fine morning everybody found that instead
of Queen Victoria's statue, the statue of
Gandhiji was there. We could remove it
very nicely without damaging the statue. A
similar thing could have been done long
ago ai Calcutta also. Perhaps, the people
of Calcutta must have been engaged in
other things all these days.

I have no objection to this Bill, and let
the constitution be amended, and let the
name he changed. I am sure the hon.
Minister will agree to this. I would request
the hon. Minister to give us a definite
answer to this question and say that the

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319 Victoria

[ Shri S. M . Banerjee }

constitution will be amended and within one
month, this lady’s statute is bound to be
moved from there.

•SHRI C. T. DHANDHPANI (Dhara-
puram) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to say
a few words on the Victoria Memorial
(Amendment) Bill.

I am sure, Sir, that none in this House
will express any doubt about the need to
protect and to preserve the historically
important and valuable ancient literature
and monuments. But, the Members of this
House are bound to get the impression that
only after the Estimates Committee of this
House — of which you are presently the
Chairman, Sir — had made certain recom-
mendations in regard to maintenance and
preservation of such precious things, which
have cultural and historical importance,
that the Government thought of talcing
steps in that direction. I got this
feeling when the hon Minister of Education
stated that in due deference to the
recommendations of the Estimates
Committee certain schemes had been incor-
porated in the Fourth Five Year
Plan for the maintenance and preser-
vation of Victoria Memorial which accord-
ing to him has now developed into a period
museum of considerable importance and
significance. I wish to remind him that
there are many such equally important
monuments scattered throughout the Indian
sub-continent which require immediate
attention of the Government and it is also
the sacred and bounden duty of the Govern-
ment to preserve them for posterity.

As my hon. friends who preceded me
pointed out, the name ‘Victoria Memorial'
is a standing reminder of the hated British
Imperialism which was driven out of this
country two and half decades ago. The
hon. Minister himself expressed the same
sentiments. But he stated that there was
some ticklish constitutional snag, which he
promised to remove as early as possible. 1
wish to submit that this name ‘Victoria
Memorial* should be changed and this
House would only be too glad to give its
approval for the constitutional amendment.

I understand that certain scientific equip-
ments preservation of Victoria Memorial are
likely to be imported. I do not know
whether we should take recourse to impor-

•The original speech was delivered in Tamil.

ting these things. In our country we have
many eminent museologists, historians and
art historians whose assistance is readily
available in this matter. Could not the
Government think of utilising their services?
The Government should endeavour to
procure things indigenously for this
purpose.

This is no doubt an important problem,
but comparatively a minor problem. The
people of Calcutta alone are intimately con-
cerned with this problem. I would request
the hon. Minister not to misconstrue what
I am going to say as a Central-State issue.

I am sure that the hon. Minister will agree
with me that the concerned Sta'e is much
more aware of the kind of problems in
regard to (he maintenance and preservation
of things of historical importance. Hence,
the Central Government, fortunately
endowed with all kinds of financial resour-
ces, should give financial assistance to the
State Government in this regard. It is not
only the Victoria Memorial which requires
such financial assistance from the Centre,
but there are any number of such histori-
cally important institutions which are in
need of immediate attention and financial
assistance from the Centre.

For example, Unstarred Question 2883
was raised by my hon. friend, Shri J. M.
Gowdcr, belonging to my party, the Dravida
Munnetra Kazhagam, which reads as
follows :

“Will the Education Minister state the
reasons for deferring the proposal of
formally declaring the TMSS Mahal
Library, Thanjavur as an institution of
national importance ; and

the manner in which Government pro-
pose to assist the Library financially ?

The answer of the Education Minister
is as f olIows :

The State Government of Tamil Nadu
has not agreed to the proposal of the
Central Government that the constitu-
tion of the Board of Management of
the TMSS Mahal Library, Thanjavur
when declared and financially assisted
as an Institute of importance, should

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(Amdt.) Bill 322

be bn the same lines as those of the

Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library

Board, Patna.

(b) the matter is under consideration.

I refer to this because the Saraswathi
Mahal Library is a treasure-hpuse of
ancient Sanskrit literature about Indian
culture, about science, about atom and
about ancient India’s achievements in these
fields. It has also got innumerable palm-
leaf inscriptions in Tamil which are of
great valu; and importance. When the
State Govern ne.it ask for fLmeul assis-
tance from rhe Centre for the purpose of
preserving and maintaining thesj invaluable
and precious things, it is really regrettable
that the Centre should put forth certain
conditions ab^ut the constitution of the
management board etc.

MR. CriURMAN . The subject under
discussion is the Victoria Memonal.

SHRl C T. DH\ND \PANI : The
subject is only the question of assistance.

I am not going oat of relevance to the Bill.
When the Government have come forward
to taking steps for the preservation and
maintenance of Victoria Memonal, nans
of which s.nieks of our seifdom under the
British, I want to request the Government
that they should come forward to assist
financially miny such institutions of cul-
tural and historical importance spread
throughout the Indian sub-continent.

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PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : 1 have

very little to reply to really. The main
objection has been about the name. I have
already submitted that I want to change the
whole slant of the Museum and l share the
sentiments of the House.

Objection was raised by my hon. friend,
Shri M. Haider, about the Chairman. Since
all of us want a considerable change to be
made, it is only proper that a person who
is responsible to this House becomes the
Chairman.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :
Whether it is the Chairman or the Minister
in charge.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : If he
thinks there is no objection, I have nothing
further to say.

So far as the question of experts is con-
cerned, till now the Central Government
nominated two persons and it could nomi-
nate anyone it liked. Now at least the
Central Government is bound to nominate
only those who are considered to be expert.
Similarly the word ‘nomination’ in the
context obviously means election, because if
a general body of trustees nominates some-
one, it means it is really an election.

Sir, so far as the point made by my
hon. friend Shri Banerjee is concerned,
I find myself in the fullest agreement. I will
see to it, as I have said, that if we have, for
historical reasons, to keep any relics, then
there should be suitable caption, so that the
young people who go there understand the
significance of it.

SHRI S M BANERJEE: Can’t you
get them stolen ? (Interruption)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : That is advice by your the
political allies.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I leave
it to my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu to think
it over.

Then, I am sorry I cannot agree with
the view that has been expressed that it
should be converted into a theatre. 1 think
it should remain a museum, but it should be
given a new content, and it should be deve-
loped accordingly.

325 Victoria Memorial SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKa) St. Re$n. & I.IS.Co. ( Taking 326
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SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY Y A
(Serampore) : What harm is there if you
erect a stage there 7

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You can
have a theatre where only plays in respect
of the freedom fighters and political plays
are staged.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As regards
the protection of historical objects, I am in
full agreement with my hon. friend Shri
Dhandapani. As the House would recall,
only this morning, I have introduced a Bill
with the leave of the House which seeks
precisely to bring about this protection.

He referred to the imports of objects.
The rules of the Government are very firm.
Anything which is available m the country
cannot be imported from outside. Only
those things which are not available in the
country and which are nevertheless consi-
dered to be essential for the country are
permitted to be imported, and my hon.
friend can rest assured that nothing which
is available in the country can be imported.
I would like to go into the question of
cellulose acetate myself. As has been
pointed out, it was not being manufactured
in India until sometime ago when I was
connected a little more directly with educa-
tion. Bot if it is now available, quite
obviously we will use it, which has been
produced locally, because the Estimates
Committee's wishes have to be fulfilled.

Regarding the reference to the Saraswati
Mahal Library, I am in entire agreement
with my hon. friend that it is a national
treasure and even though there may be a
difference of opinion between the State
Government and the Union Government as
to what is the best way of organising the
governing body, the Central Government
should give financial assistance immediately
so that the preservation of the manuscripts
is not delayed. The other discussions can
continue.

The point that I have mentioned about
historical objec's in general also applies to
articles like sculptures and other objects
d’art.

With these few words, I move that the
Bill be taken into consideration.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is :

"That the Bill further to amend tho
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into
consideration.'’

The motion was adopted .

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are no
amendments. The question is :

"That clause 2 stand part of the Bill/’

The motion was adopted.

Clause 2 was added to the Bill .

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the
Title were added to the Bill .

PROF. S. NtJRUL HASAN : I move :
“That the Bill be passed.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is :
“That the Bill be passed."

The motion was adopted.

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‘ Government therefore decided to take
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secure the proper management of the
Company,”

What are the reasons ? That may be
clarified.

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concern the progressive decline in the
production of the steel plant of the
Indian Iron and Steel Co. Ltd., and the
deterioration in the condition of the
plant, resulting from lack of adequate
attention to maintenance."

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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) (Taking over of 334

Management) Bill

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MR. CHAIRMAN . Resolution moved :

"This House disapproves of the Indian
Iron and Steel Company (Taking over
of Management) Ordinance, 1972
(Ordinace No. 6 of 1972) promulgated
by the President on the 14th July, 1972).”

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) : Sir, I beg to move :

“That the Bill to provide for the taking
over of the management of the under-
taking of the Indian Iron and Steel
Company Limited for a limited period
in 4he public interest and in order to
secure the proper management of the
undertaking, be taken into consideration."

Before making my submissions to this
House, may I first of all thank Dr. Pandeya
for the support than he has given to the

government for its decision to take over the
Indian Iron and Steel Company ? I think
I must have misread the Order Paper
because tfie speech seems to be approval of
the measure and disapproval only so far as
the speed of take over is concerned. He
thought we should have done it eariler;
may be, he is right and I am wrong. But
I assure him I am grateful for all the appro-
val he has given and, so far as the criticisms
are concerned, I will meet them in the
the course of my submissions.

Hon. Members know that Indian Iron
and Steel Company, along with Tata Iron
and Steel Company, were the two companies
producing steel even in pre-war days. The
rated capaciiy of Indian Iron was brought
up to one million tonnes afier expansion in
1953 and 1955 Indian Iron is a company
which has a total subscribed equity capitcl
of Rs 24.88 ci ores. It has also got prefe-
rence capital ; but 1 need not go into that
because that is compatively much less. But,
out of this subscribed equity capital of
Rs. 24.88 crores, somewhere in the region of
49.34 per cent is held either by the public
trusts, which is 13.50 per cent, or the Life
Insurance Corporation, Unit Trust or the
general insuiancc companies. So, at the
time when we passed the Ordinance for the
take over of Iron & SteeJ, really speaking,
virtually 50 per cent of the shares were held
by public financial institutions and were
under the control of the government. So,
naturally, hon Members will appreciate that
government has taken a very active interest
in the working of the company for quite
some time, particularly in the very recent
past. We were anxious to see that it should
operate properly, and it is really from the
point of view of its proper operation that
we have taken this decision, which I now
put before the f^ouse for approval, and also
for the adoption of the Bill that is now
before the House for discussion.

The position, so far as Indian is con-
cerned, is that from 1963-64 onwards there
has been, in a sense a steady deterioration
in production. 1963-64 saw Indian Iron
produce one million tonnes of steel ingots
and 810,000 tonnes of saleable steel. That
dropped in 1964-65 slightly to 950,000
tonnes of ingots and 755,000 tonnes of
salable steel. But by the time we reached
1970-71, it dropped to 627,000 tonnes of
ingots and 523,000 tonnes of salable steel.

335 St. Resn . Sc I.T.S. Co t AUGUST 21, 1972 (Taking over of Management } Bill 336

[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalaro]

1971- 72 saw a further drop lo 617,000 tonnes
of ingots and to 500,000 tonnes of salable
steel. That was the position so far as the
period upto 1971 was concerned.

Hon. Members will appreciate that the
decision to take over the management of
IISCO was taken after the end of the
financial year 1971-7?. It was taken because
if we take the figures of 1971-72, the last
quarter, the production was 1,43.300 tonnes
of ingots and 1,24,617 tonnes of salable
steel. The first quarter of 1972-73, that is,
April, May and June, 1972, gave us pro-
duction 91,029 tonnes and 69,197 tonnes of
salable steel. That is a drop of 36 per cent
in the production of ingots and a drop of
43 per cent in the production of salable
steel a precipitous drop.

In order to convey my ideas very clearly
to the House, I would like to give a com-
parison. Supposing we had continued to
produce at the same rale for the whole of

1972- 73 as we produced in the first quarter
of 1972.73, we would pioduee 8,364, 116
tonnes of ingots and 276,783 tonnes of
salable steel compared to an a 1 ready low
figure for 1971-72 of 617,000 tonnes of in
gots and 500,000 tonnes of salable steel.
Hon. Members will appreciate, therefore,
that when I say that there was a disastrous
drop in production, as between the last
quarter of 1971-72, that is, 1st Januaiy to
31st March, 1972 and the fust quarter of
1972-73, that is, 1st of April to 30th June,
1972, I am not using very strong language
at all. On the contrary, my hon. friend,
Mr. Hiren Mukerjee would have lightly
used much much strongee language in a
situation like this But 1 have still to learn
from him in a matters of this character. I do
say that it was a vejy very senous situation
which ultimately compelled the Government
to interfere and take o\er the management.

Dr. Pandcya said that we should have
done it earlier. That is a matter of opi-
nion. It is not necessary to go into it now.
What 1 seek to do today is to justify the
action of the Government in taking it over
on the day that we actually did. Hon.
Members will appreciate that this ically
meant that the Government was faced with
a dilemma. Was the situation deteriorating
in such a way that it required immediate
intervention or not or would we be justified

in waiting till the Annual General Meeting
which ordinarily would be held sometime
September or so where we could probably
have mobilised more than a majority of
vote3 in order to take over the management
ourselves 7 We thought that the situation
was critical enough and, I think, the House
will also agree with the Government in the
decision that it come to that the situation
was critical enough and demanded imme-
diate intervention And that is why we inter-
vened immediately.

The House will, of course, be anxious
to know how it is that 11SCO was reduced
to such a poor stale because there have
been quite a number of statements coming
from different quarters imphing that the
mam leason for the deterioration in the
IISCO was let me use a mild expression
again— due to lack of cooperation fiom
labour But the assessment of Government
after going into the matter, both before and
more so even in detail after the take-over,
is that it was really due to neglect of main-
tenance over quite a long period, non rep-
lacement of equipment, lock of modernisa-
tion because Indian Iron is an old plant,
and of course, to some extent, disturbed
industrial relations.

17 iirs-

The most dangerous area so far as
Indian iron is concerned was really the
coke ovens. We have got five batteries m
Indian Iron batteries 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.
Unfortunately, only batteries 7, 8 and 9
were working and out of these batteries 7,
8 and 9, battery number 7 was also in a
very bad condition The Government
Directors on the Indian Iron we have foil-,
namely, the Secretary of the Steel Depart-
ment, Mr. Sarin, the Chairman of Hindus-
tan Steel, Mr. Bhaya, the Chairman of
Bokaro Steel, as well as a lepresentativc of
the Life Insurance Corporation, the Zonal
Manager, Mr. Sohoni had been urging
inside the Board itself that speedy action
should be taken to bring back to life both
batteries numbers 5 and 6, which had been
banked. In fact, bettery number 5 has
come into operation after a few days after
the take -over. But as a result cf neglect of
coke-ovens which, of course, is not a feature
that is solely an Indian Iron feature, we
had a serious situation so far as availability .

337 S /. Rein . A /./. S. Co. SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA)

of gas is concerned, and that really was
responsible for the very sharp drop in pro-
duction which we have seen both in May
and even more so m June. Both in Bhilai
as well as in Rourkela, when we found our-
selves in difficulties with regard to coke-
ovens and therefore we were not really
manufacturing enough gas to be able to
work our rolling mills at the highest capa-
city possible, what we had done was to
introduce oil-firing, that is to say, using a
different type of fuel which would enable
us to keep our rolling mills going. Unfor-
tunately, so far as Indian Iron is concerned,
this precautionary step was not taken and.
in fact, has only been initiated after the take
over in the middle of July.

It will, of course, be wrong on my part
to hide from the Hou*e the fact that we
have had a serious situation so far as indus-
trial relations aie concerned in the Indian
Iron. For many years there has been a
rather peculiar sysfe u in the Indian Iron by
which there was no week!/ off at all tfnd
heavy overtime was paid. The result was
that, wh;n an a»reenMt wis artivci at
between the steel plants oi the one liand-
and the Joint Wiges Negotiating Com nit-
tee representing all the traie unms on the
other regarding the level of wages and about
the conditions of woik, in 19/0, though
IISCO was a parly to that agiecinent — both
the company and the unions — they found it
difficult to implement it because it meant
completely reorganizing the shift system in
IISCO. That reorganization was ultimate-
ly agreed to in December of 1971 and
brought into operation some tune in
February, 1972. But, unfortunately, it has
not really gone veiy smoothly and this also
has been a contributory factor so far as the
deterioration in production in April, May
and June are concerned. We are trying
now, after Government has taken it over,
to see whether it is not possible to sort out
this matter, We have got the promise of
fullest cooperation by the trade union and
we hope that, as a result of the efforts that
have been made, we will be able to find
some solution Today, in fact, the Labour
Minister of the West Bengal Government is
down in Burnpur. I myself had been there
after the take-over, and we are trying to
give it as detailed attention as possible so
to be able not merely to justify the decision
of the Government which is not so irnpor-

( Taking over of 338
Management) Bill

tant but to see to it that production is
really increased in USCJ which, I think, is
very very important indeed.

Hon Members, I am sure, will be anxious
to know what exactly the Government has
done since the take-over in the midJIe of
July. The first stco we took and really the
most important step we took, is increasing
the availability of coke on the one hand and
coal tar on the other. Fiom the Durgapur
Projects Ltd which is a public sector com-
pany run by the West Bengal Government
we have been supplied 1000 tonnes of coal
tar and we have made use of it. We have
been promised supply of coke and we will
be using it. We have also got about a
thousand tonnes of coal tar fiom the Durga-
pur Steel Plant, the public sector steel plant
in Durgapur, and that lias made up to some
extent for the mal-functioning of the coke
ovens. We are also attaching very great
importance to the repair and rebuilding of
the coke ovens on a pnority basis. Battery
No. 5, as 1 mentioned to the hon Members
just a minute ago, was commissioned on 20
th July and this has resulted m a greater
availability of gas as well as coke. We have
also now drafted and are putting into effect
a crash programme to introduce facilities
for oil filing as a substilude for the use of
gas which is not available in the sheet mill,
the rod mill and the steel melting shop The
cianes wc found were in a very bad way.

I myself saw them when l went down to
Burnpur and wc aie taking cm ii gent steps
to recondition and replace the cranes and
other equipment using mainly the services
of Jssops. Finally we hace placed an
emergent order for two boikis with the
AVB which are very bullv nee led because
of the chronic sboilage of steam at the work
and fre hope to .get them working within a
reasonable time.

The most heartening feature actually
after the take-over has been that we have
been able to restore rolling the centre sill
sections which has been put through a
couple of weeks ago It was envisaged
earlier and the pnvate management actually
indicated to the Iron & Steel Controller
that these sections could not be rolled and
since these sections are mateuals which are
important for the wagon-building industry,

339 St. Res n. & l./.S.Co. AUGUST 21,
[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam]

virtually it would have meant the closure of
our wagon-building industry. After the
take-over we have been able to bring that
particular section back into operation and [
think this is a substantial improvement.

Now, to give hon Members the figures
of production which, I am sure, they will be
anxious to have, the position so far as sale-
able steel is concerned, from the 1st of July
to 15th of July, that is, before take-over,
the production was 6409 tonnes, and from
the 15th July to 3 1st July (after take-over) —
the production is 10490 tonnes, and 1st to
to 15th August it is 11 994 tonnes. So far
as in gots steel is concerned, for the whole
of July we pioduced 23, 789 tonnes of ingot
steel and till August 20, that is, upto yester-
day, we have produced 23984 tonnes. That
is in 20 days we have surpassed the total
production for July. I am not pulling these
figures forward in an attempt to show that
we are over the hump in 1LSCO. We are
not. We are far from that because even if
we produce, let us say, somewhere in the
region of 30,000 to 35,000 tonnes of sale-
able steel, we will be only reaching a total
production in the year somewhere around
4 lakh tonnes which is a miserable produc-
tion and which we cannot at all be satisfied
I only want to satisfy hon Member because
it is my duly to attempt to at least satisfy
them that the Government is taking the
situation very seriously and is tiying to do
the best that we can under these circums-
tances.

Before I close, just one or two remarks
I would like to make about the Bill itself
Hon, Members must have noriced a parti-
cular clause in the Bill, I think it is clause
3 sub-clause (3), where we have dealt with
the question of contracts in relation to the
management, that is to say, the managerial
contracts that are set aside. The reason is
that the hon Members known that Martin
Burn were the Managing Agents right upto
4th April 1970. Now, after the 4th of April,
with the abolition of the Managing Agency
system, the company is being managed by a
Board of Directors under the chairmanship
of Shri Biren Mukerji. But in a rather
interesting manner, which I believe, is not
uncommon in industry to-day, the Board of
Directors appointed Martin Burn as the
Secretaries of the Company to carry on
the managerial and day-to-day administra-

1972 (Taking over of Managwent( Bill 340

tion of the Company, on a remunera-
tion of Rs. 12,500 a month for a period of
five years with effect from 4th April 1970.
Not only that. A number of different con-
tracts also were entered into with Martin
Burn. They were appointed as registrars
of Indian Iron; they were appointed to look
after the security arrangement of the com-
pany’s head office at Calcutta on a remune-
ration of Rs. 7500. USCO were asked to
pay a rent of Rs. 8 lakhs for the use of the
premises of Martin Burn in Calcutta itself.
Martin Burn was to provide the services of
the Cash Department for 11SCO, as though
I1SCO itself was not capable of providing
such a service. USCO entered into pool
service arrangements with all other partici-
pating companies which earlier on had Martin
Burn as their managing agents. Under this
arrangement, I1SCO was drawing on the
services of part of the departments of Martin
Burn and Company, even though it had its
own Departments.

That is why under this Ordinance as it
were, all contracts have been terminated
which were contracts by which management
had been handed ovei by means of any
other concern.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Aliporc) :
When this Bill is passed, will those contracts
to which the Minister refeircd stand automa-
tically terminated, or will the Government
only have the power to terminate ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : If you loolc at the Bill itself
you will see this. It refers to any contract
whether express or implied or other arrange-
ment m so far as it relates to the manage-
ment of the business and affairs of the
company in relation to it its undertaking
and in force immediately before the appoin-
ted day, and it shall be deemed to have
terminated the the oppomted day. The
question of the Government taking power
to terminate the contract does not arise.

As I understand it this is the position.
Ultimately the courts will decide as to what
is the interpretation of law. As I under-
s'and it, as I want it to be, and what
Government intends, there is automatically
termination of contracts whether expressed
or implied or other arrengements. We use
a wider expression, namely, is so far as it
relates to the management of the business
and affairs Of the company.

341 St. Resn. & /./ S. Co. SRAVANA 30, 1894 ( SAKA )

We have limited the language, because
otherwise, any contract might possibly be
included and that might disrupt to ordinary
commercial transactions of the company,
which was not the aim of the introduction
of this clause at all. What is referred to
here is, a contract in so far as it relates to
the manegement of the business and affairs
of the company.

I hope that clears to point that my hon.
friend raised.

I was just at the stage of mentioning to
the House that the Board of Directors had
also decided that a Committee of Directors
consisting of Romen Mukherjee and B. P.
Ray would manage the day to day affairs
of the company. This they did by means
of a resolution. Therefore, in effect that
mananaging agents went out of the right
door, but, as it were, they came back by the
left door by means of these various contracts
and arrangements and so on. And, one
group, namely, the Martin Burn Group
continued to keep their control of the
company.

1 would not comment whether it was
good or bad. I am only stating the facts
It is necessary for me when I come before
the House to justify the introduction of this
particular clause. This is, in a sense, some-
what of a special clause which you do not
find in the various different pieces of legisla-
tions that have been brought before the
House when we took over any particular
organisation.

Therefore, these are the reasons which
prompted us. I think, hon. Members will
appreciate how important it is that we
should have brought in this particular
clause.

17.14 hrs.

[ShrI R. D. Bh\nix\RE in th* Chair\

Dr Laxmimaram Pandeya — though he is
not here to hear what I have got to say
about the matter; 1 think I had better answer
him because other hon. Members may be
having this point m the.r minds also— had
also raised the question as to why we should
is do it only for a limited period of two
yeats, and he asked why only two years,
why not twenty years or why not five years
and so on, and he asked what was sacred or
significant in this period of two years. My

{Taking over of 342
Management ) Bill
answer to ban. Members is that it is two
years in order to decide what to do It is
not two years for any other purpose. I
made it very clear even when I explained to
the press at the time of the take-over that
Government certainly does not envisage
' handing back the management to the pre-
vious management

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : A court of wards.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : We do not think that Govern-
ment or the financial institutions which own
altogether 49.35 per cent of the shares
should hand back the management to a
group which controls less than one per cent
of the shares, because according to the
present infoimation that Government has
got, the Mukerjee gioup does not control
even one per cent for the shares; so, it
would not (be proper to go on having the
tail wagging the dog for all lime; sometimes,
the dog also should wag the tail, and that
is the purpose

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Before
1976, before the elections, they will make a
handsome donation, and then they will hand
it over.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM: At least, the hon. Member
should be glad about it that...

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am
very happy . But why not nolionalise it 7

SHRI S. MOHAN RUMARAMAN-
GALAM : Let my hon. friend hold on
for a minute. Let him just applaud once
for his life, and that will do him good also.
But, let me continue.

\ye wanted these powers in order to be
able to decide what exactly we should do.
Hon. Membcis might feel that it would be
an extermely, if you will excuse me using
that expression, revolutionary step to acquire
the whole thing lock, stock and barrel, but
then they will atso appreciate that in the
Constitution, under which we operate at
present, whether my hon. friend likes it or
not, he also opeiates under it, the position
is that compensation would have to be paid
for the shares of those which we take over
or for the concern as a whole. We do not

343 St. Resn. & I.I.S.Co. AUGUST 21, 1972 ( Tmking over of Managment) Bill 344

[Shii S. Motion Kumirmangalam]

think that there is any purpose in our
entering into this coun trove rsy at the
moment. We think that it is better that we
should start operating this company under
the management of the Government itself,
and then as days pass by, we will assess
from the point of view of the country which
is the belt way by which ultimately Govern-
ment management as it were may be made
permanent. But 1 would like to assure the
House that there is absolutely no question
of the management of this company going
out of the hands of the Government and
back into the hands either of the erstwhile
management or of any other future private
management that may rest its greedy eyes
on 1ISCO. It is meiely a questun of time
in order to be able to deede what would be
the most appropriate form.

Hon Members will also appreciate that
we have a certain difficulty in the sense that
a considerable amount of money will have
to be invested in IISCO in order to make it
come up to the rated capacity of a million
tonnes. As at present estimated, for the
plant rehabilitation itself which will enable
it to come to one million tonnes, the various
repans that will have to be undertaken, the
rebuilding of the coke ovens and so on, it
will cost us somewhere in the region ol
crorcs Then, there is othei project of
expanding IISCO from one to 1.3 million
tonnes, and that will, according to the
company original estimate, take us anything
from Rs. 60 croies and more. When one
sees that the paid-up capital is in the region
of Rs 24 odd crores, obviously investment
of, let us say, something between Rs. 80 and
Rs. 100 croies is going to change the balance
of the position inside the company is it-
self. ft is because we wanted to finally
come to a conclusion, after studying it,
about what would be the most appropriate
form of organisation for the running of the
IISCO with the least loss from the point of
view of the State and the country that we
have taken thc^e two years, and we propose
within that time to come to a final conclu-
sion and obviously that will mean coming
back to this House.

1 think hon Members do appreciate
that by and large there has been welcome
throughout the country about this decision
of the Government, and therefore, I would
commend this Bill for the consideration of
the House.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved :

“That the Bill to provide for the
taking over of the manegement of the
undertaking of the Indian Iron and Steel
Comany Limited for a limited period
in the public interest and in order to
secure the proper management of the
underfaking, be taken into considera-
tion'’.

SHRl ROBIN SEN (Asansol) : l would
have welcomed this Bill, had there been a
provision in the Bill nationalising the
company. The hon. Minister of Steel
attributed the reason for the taking over of
this company to mismanagement and fall in
production. The produenon in this company
started declining ever since 1964-65, and the
production declined steadily during 1970-71
and 1971-72.

The gradual deterioration of plant,
equipment and machmeiy due to lack of
proper maintenance and replacement led to
a fall in production from 10 lakh tonnes in
1963-64 to 6 lakh tonnes in 1971-72 The
actual production came down to about 20-
25 per cent of its rated capacity. But in
this period, the profit increased from Rs.
3 2 crores to Rs. 3 68 crores, that is by
about 65 lakns between 1969 and 1971. I
wilt quote certain figures to show the huge
profits they have assessed from 1958 to
1971. Issued and subscribed capital inc-
reased from Rs. 7.82 croies to Rs 27.58
crores, of which Rs. 8 20 crores only Is
actually paid in cash. Reserves went up
from Rs 6.16 crores to Rs. 42 44 crores ;
the total amount of dividend paid to share-
holdeis comes to over Rs. 23 71 crores.

Surely, this profit was minted by sheer
explonation of the workers, The wages of
the workers were the lowest in the steel
industry. About 97 per cent of the workers
used to get only Rs. 61 to Rs, 133 per
month as basic wage. This was prior to the
last agreement. There were two members
representing Government on the board of
directors. About 50 per cent of the shares
of this company arc held by the Govern-
ment-controlled public financial institutions.

I do not understand why in spite of this,
the Steel Minister allowed the condition of
the plant to deteriorate and indulge in huge
loss of production when for want of steel,
production in industries was suffering. (
want to know from him why this delay.

345 St. Resn. & l.I.S.Co. SRAVANA 30, 1&94 (SAKA) ( Taking over of Management) Bill 346

The plant should have been taken over
earlier.

Secondly, 1 do not understand why the
takeover is only for two years. People
must know what is the intention of the
Government. As we know even in the
textile industry, not even a single sick mill
could be put to its full operation even after
the required renovation within two years.
Steel is a heavy industry and its spare parts
ar.d machineries are not available in the
country. So what can we expect of the
two years 7 Is it the intention of Govern-
ment to fleece the tax payers by injecting
more public money into the plant just to
tide over the difficulties of the company
and then hand it over back to Sir Biren 7

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : May I request him to remember
what l said just five minutes ago and that
is not the intention of Government ?

SHRI DINEN BATTACHARYYA :
He is speaking is an individual.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : No I am speaking on behalf
of Government.

SHRI ROBIN SEN : Sir, our
doubt on this score n strengthened
when we find that some of the top
officers of this company who are respon-
sible for mismanagement and fall in pro-
duction have been entrusted to running of
the mill even after taking-over. One Mr.
N. R. Dutta, who was Deputy Manager
production under Sir Biren and during
whose pejiod the production started dec-
lining, has been elevated to the post of
General Manager. This N R. Dutta is
a person in the inner coterie and in the
confidence of Sir Biren. Was this selection
made to help Sir Biren to retain his control
over the industry even after taking over of
the company 7 I request the Steel Minister
to get rid of this gentleman if he really
wants the workers' co-operation and the
efficient running of the plant.

The other things which I want to bring
to the notice of the Steel Minister are these.
LISCO employed a much less complement
of workers as against the complement of
other plants of comparable rated capacity.
Some of the key operations of this plant

were being carried out by contract labourers
which only damaged the plant I want
that this contract labour system should be
abolished and they should be made perma-
nent with continuity in their service.

Sir, I know that within the capitalist
system no basic change is possible by meie
taking over or even by nationalising a few
industries. Nonetheless, we support this
step, but while supporting it, we do insist
that steps must be taken to democratise the
management. Dependence on the burcauerats
must end. The workers' genuine grievances
should be attended to, and the workers
should be taken into confidence in running
the plants, and the workers' elected repre-
sentatives should be taken into the manage-
ment.

I concluding, I would like to ask the
Government, how long they will pursue the
policy of investing public money in the
losing concerns or the sick mills, the mills
which have been made sick by the private
owners after suquandermg money and
reducing them to Junks. Why those nulls
which are still viable should not be nationa-
lised 7 Why the monopoly concerns where
huge public money is invested should also
not be nationalised without any compensa-
tion 7 In this connection , I would demnnd
not both IISCO and TISCO should be
nationalised so that steel which is indispens-
able for the country’s industrial growth may
not be under the control and whims of a
few monopolists.

17.29 hrs.

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347 Decentralisation Of

AUGUST 21, 1972 G.S.f. {H.A.H. Disc.) 348

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please continue
tomorrow. There is a half-an-hour dis-
cussion to be raised by Shri Samar Guha.

17.10 hrs*

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION
decentralisation OF GEOLOGI-
CAL Survey of India
SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : The
decision to dismember the Geological Sur-
vey of India will immediately affect the
future of over a thousand employees of GSI
fifty per cent of them very immediately,
although the hon Minister had assured them
that none of them would have to repent
their being in the GSI, and that they would
be in the other organisation. There is an
overtone of politics in it and the scrutiny
of the whole thing reveals some things.
There is the possibility of many employees
being declared surplus, many b^ing
demoted. There are mmy uncertainties.

I am not arguing from that standpoint but
from a much higher level. This is one
of the oldest central organisations, mare
than a century old, built through many
decades and niny efforts

The decision to dismember it is unscienti
fic, arbitrary, irregular, detrimental to the
interest of many other Ministries and it is
even against the convention of parliamen-
tary practice; probably it os unconsti-
tutional too. I have volumes of material to
justify all the accusalions but unfortunately
my position is like that of a lawyer who
defends in the upper court a person awar-
ded death penalty in a lower court, who
has to justify that the death penalty is nat
correct, but who has only ten minutes to
argue out his case. I used the word un-
scientific because of this reason.

A committee was set up, Committee on
Scientific Research to go into the issue GSI
and decide whether it should be retained
as it is^or should be divided into two parts.

Subsequently the work of that committee was
taken over by another committee, the Com-
mittee on Science and Technology, known
as cost which came to the conclusion that it
should be divided and that a major part or
at least fifty per cent of it should go to the
Central Ground Water Board.

I was astonished at the composition of
this committee. An engineer is a scientist;
a biochemist is also a scientist. But an
•Bgineer will not be asked to preside over a

meeting to decide whether a micro-biology
section of a bio chemistry department should
be divided from that body section. Though
an engineer is also a scientist, he will not be
asked to do it because he is not competent
to take discussion in the matter.

This committee on Science and Tech-
nology was composed of two physicists and
an engineer, not a single leputed geologist or
geo-hydrologist nor a representative from
the GSI was there. Experts who have no
knowledge of geology or geo -hydrology
presided over the fate of this organisation
and they decided that this should be dis-
membered. Strangely, there was nobody
from the GSI in this committee.

They prepared a draft and at the stage
of final consideration of that diaft (he
Chairman of that committee invited the
Director of the GSI m a letter dated
January 29, 1971 and said : “The commit-
tee at ns last meeting held on 18 January
1971 decided that a small group be set up
consisting Shri B. K. Subramaniya, Dr.
Kidwai, Dr. Sethna and yourself to go
through the final draft report of the com-
mittee on GSI and make suggestions and
amendments so that the * amended draft
might be placed before the committee”.

The Director of Geological Survey only
attended the first meeting. As his opinions
were against the opinions of that committee
the Chairman of that committee did some-
thing extraordinary. I have got the pho-
tostat of letters The Chairman took a most
unscientific, most irregular and most
fantastic decision — he requested the
Director of GSI in this letter not
to attend the final meetings of the
committee when the final diaft was to be
considered and decision taken whether GSI
will be dismembered or not. Here is an
extraordinary step. The Director was a
regular member of the sub committee and
he was invited to attend the meetings of
the sub-committee, But after attending one
meeting, he was requested not to attend the
final meetings when a final decision was to
be taken. A letter was issued by the Chair-
man of the committee asking him not to
attend the committee meetings. I quote :

“You are member of this committee.

Since the committee is in its final stage

and all the facts that you wanted to

bring before it are in the process of

349 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (S^) G,S./. ( H.A.H . Disc) 350

being communicated to this committee.
May I suggest that this committee should
discuss the GSI report and of the
various viewpoints freely and without
constraints. I would be very grateful
if you also agree with me in this view
and refrain from attending the final
meetings of the committee to enable
them to come to the conclusion."

It is an extraordinary letter. It is extra-
ordinary that a letter can be written by the
Chairman debarring a member from attend-
ing the meetings. If a person is hanged, if
you give a verdict like that, he should have
some scope to explain why he should not
be hanged and argue his case. GSI is going
to be dismembered. The Director is a regu-
lar member of that committee. It is extra-
ordinary that the Chairman of the commit-
tee writes a letter to the Director saying,
“You are requested not to attend so that
we can have a clear and unconstrained view
of the icport of the committee." 1 place
both these letters on the Table.*

MR. CHAIRMAN : They will be sent
to the hon Speaker for his permission. I
cannot allow it now.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If not for any-
other reason, for this leason that the Chair-
man’s conduct was unscientific, irregular,
extraordmaiy and fantastic and on the basis
of the recommendation of this committee
the Cabinet took the decision that of
GSI should be dismembered or divided, the
very basis of it has to be challenged. There-
fore, I (funk the minister should take into
consideration that this is an impossible
proposition that a member can be debarred
from attending the meetings of a committee
of which he was regular member.

The 126th Report of the Estimates
Committee said that an expert committee
should be constituted to go into the affairs
of GSI and accordingly an expert commit-
tee consisting of eminent geologists, geo-
hydrologist and geophysicist was formed.
That committee categorically stated that
GSI is doing a very useful work and there
is no question of dismembering that body;
it should be retained. I quote from the
report of this technical committee :

"It is the duty of the GSI to provide
the fundamental grohydrological know-
ledge in regard to the country in the
form of appropriate maps and reports,
so that in various contexts further prac-
tical actions can be taken in regard to
development activities. An integrated
coordinated approach among the basic
geological, geophysical and geochemical
surveys and geohydrological studies and
engineering geology is very essential".

The report further records :

“A comprehensive approach which will
take vote of basic geology and a variety
of problems and uses is very essential
and this responsibility the GSI must
discharge effectively."

Those who suggested the dismemberment
of GSI were not exports. Here is an expert
committee of the Government which has
suggested that it should not only be
retained but it should be strengthened.

The central Irrigation Commission that
was set up by this Parliament had submit-
ted a report in the month of April 1972.
At pages 285-286 they have stated :

" we have given serious thoughts to

these grounds and regret that, in our
opinion, they do not bear scrutiny. The
GSI is, after all, only a department of
the Union Government and it is given
a specific task by the Government to be
completed within a specified period
ihere is no reason to suppose that the
GSI would not carry out the task, if
adequate staff and funds are provided.
We are of the opinion that the GSI is
the most suitable organisation to han-
dle ‘the work involved in prospective
for ground water resources. It is the
highest scientific and technical organisa-
tion in the country dealing with ground
water exploration as a part of its nor-
mal functions. During the past 100
years it has acquired specialised scienti-
fic and technical expertise, and has
built up a large and highly qualified
body of officers whose specialisation is
geology. . . There is no comparable
organisation in the country which has
the necessary expertise m geological

•The Speaker not having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the papers
.were not treated as laid on the Table.

351 Decentralsation of AUGUST 21. 1972 G.S.I. ( H.A.H . Disc!) 352.

[Shri Samar Guha]

and geophysical and other specialised
equipment for groundwater prospecting,
Its laboratories and libraries and sophis-
ticated instruments are naturally availa-
ble to the geologists engaged m a pr< s-
pecting for any mapping ground water
resources. .

They have categorically opposed the idea of
dismemberment.

There was an international seminar in
Delhi in last September in which Dr. K L.
Rao not only opposed this but he said that
it will be a “scientist’s sin” to dismember
this organisation. Unfortunately, he could
not attend the Cabinet meeting when this
decision was taken.

I would also say that the Planning Cell
of the Com mssion also opposed it. Tney
said that the GS1 should not be dismme-
bered.

The CiSI is providing data, facts, statis-
tics, not only for the use of agricultural
department but for all other Ministries like
Ministry of Health, Ministry of Railways,
Ministry of Irrigation and Power, Depart-
ments of Shipping and Housing on flood
control, dem construction and miny other
problems For agricultural purposes you
require data only for drilling tube wells.
For that they have a special organisation,
the Exploratory Tube- well Organisation for
drilling purposes. If the whole of the
function of survey and mapping of the
hydrological stiuetuic of the country is
given to Agriculture Ministry, the other
Ministries will ^ulFer beciuse biased priority
will be given to Agnculture Ministry.

Lastsly, it is not only improper but it
is against the constitutional provisions also,
when a commission was constituted by this
House, before the report of that commis-
sion was considered by this House, how
could the government take the decision to
dismember it when that commission catego-
rically said that it would be wrong to dis-
member that body.

Lastly, it is against the provisions of the
Constitution. Under article 246 and entry
No. 68 of the Union List, the national sur-
vey department including the GSI comes

within (he exclusive power of Parliament
to make Jaw. Without making any enact-
ment, simply by executive order they can-
not dismember it. This is also likely to be
challenged.

Finally, by giving wrong information the
Union Government has been misled
by the Cost Committee. Therefore,
my re^jj?t to ths Gwerntiiit is to
stop the execution of this order and appoint
a fresh reviewing committee lo go into the
reports of all the expert committees and
make a final recommendation. Before that
such an unscientific, irregular and arbitrary
decision should not be taken to dismember
the G.S.I. the century-old and veiv effective
scientific body of our country.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : (Dia-
mond Harbour) * Mr Samar Guha made
a few points. lie, perhaps, missed the
point that Dr. B. D Nag Chowdhury had
to toe the line of Haroors in New Delhi.
Otherwise, he would no longer be in emp-
loyment. He had to lake recourse to such
methods.

1 would like to know whether it is a
fact that in so far as the question of c ins-
titution of the Committee on Science and
Technology (COST) is concerned, Shri M.S,
Balasundaram, Director-General, Geological
Survey of India, the only scientist from the
field of geology in the said Committee and
who can be considered as chief scientist in
the field of geology, was not piesent in the
first meeting of COST and that he, however,
atteneded the second meeting and gave his
dissenting opinion.

I would also like to know whether it is
a fact that Dr. K. L. Rao, the Union
Minister of Irrigation and Power and an
internationally reputed specialist in Water
resources expresred his categorical views
against the decision of the Cabinet.

Also, whether the Irrigation Commission
set up by the Government of India to go into
the irrigation aspects and into t ie appraisal
of groundwater and surface water resources,
under the chairmanship of Shri Ajit Prasad
Jain, with representatives from different
States categorically opposed the decision to
transfer groundwater, mapping and survey
from the G.S.I. to the CGWB and recom-

353 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G. S. I. (H.A H Disc.) 354

mended the review of the decision and
retention of the work in O.S.I. and even
strengthening of the Wing.

Is it also a fact that the Panel on Water
Resources of the Planning Commission on
17th September, 1971 in their Final Report
to the Planning Commission had recom-
mended that the G S.I. should continue
groundwater activities and that even for the
Fourth Plan period an additional Rs. 2
crores should be allocated to the G S I for
expansion and intensification of the Ground
Water Survey activities.

The Estimates Cormrttee of which you,
Sir, are the hon. Chairman, afier miking
a review of the functions and performance
of the G S I , in their 1 26th Report, m ide
recommendation that a Committee of experts
from outside the G S I should review and
examine the function, performance and
achievements of G S 1 and submit a repot t
to the Government and the Parliament indi-
cating suitable recommendations for further
growth and development of G S 1 in natio-
nal interest.

It is also a fact that there is a deep
resentment amongst the employees of G S 1.
at the decision to decentralise it ? Is it also
a fact that there will be many employees
who will be affected by the decentralisation 7
It is not less than 300 employees who have
wilfully opted for the Central Ground
Water Boaid who will be affected for better
or worse with implementation of the trans-
fer with effect from 1st August, 1972 7

Will the hon Minister kindly give us a
correct, truthful, reply to this ? I shall be
very greatful for that.

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :
Sir, I do not want to repeat the points
which my hon. friends, Mr Samar Guha
and Mr. Jyotirnqoy Bosq have raised.

I would like to know from the hon.
Minister whether it is a fact that the
Director-General of G. S. I., the only spe-
cialist and who was a member of the
particular Committee which decided the
fate of this under the chairmanship of Dr.

■ B D Nag Chowdhury for whom I have
got the greatest regard, was asked to
refrain from attending the final meeting of
the Committee to enable him to come to a
conclusion. I want to know how far this
is true.

Secondly, I want to know whether the
hon. Minister has read the note submitted
by the scientific workers of the Geological
Survey of India in which they have proved
that this transfer is not logical and is not
necessary. These persons are scientists ;
they are not employees as such. They are
as good scientists as anybody else. After
giving certain examples, certain illustrations
ihey have said how this decision was a
wrong decision. They have said that even
the decision to crate the Mineral Explora-
tion corpoiation is based on wrong premises
and directly against the recommendations of
several specialist bodies, like, the Estimates
Committee, the Planning Group for Minerals
other than coal and oil, Mukerjee Com-
mittee, etc

May I know whether the hon Minister
had read these reports befoie taking this
decision aid whether there was some diffe-
rence of opinion in the Cabinet also when
the decision was taken. I have got ceitain
notes which I do not want to lay on the
Table of the House. Reading these notes,

I feel, there was a certain difference of
opinion.

My last point is this. Generally, there
is a feeling created in West Bengal — this is
the oldest office ; the G. S. I. building is a
massive one —that slowly but in a calcu-
lated manner all the important offices are
being shifted from West Bengal to other
places 1 have nothing against it ; I am a
citizen of this country ; I do not believe in
all those things. A section of the office of
DGOF hds been shifted to Kanpur that is
my own constituency, Sir. But the feeling
is created that the Central office has been
shifted. It gives the feeling to the entire
country that the Centre does not want
certain offices to remain in West Bengal. I

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356

[Shri S. M. Banerjee]

want to know from the hon. Minister
whether he would apply his mind de n oyo
and give an opportunity to the scientists
who have submitted the memorandum and
also to the employees and review the whole
matter objectively.

SHRI K D. MALAVIYA (Domaria-
ganj) : Before the hon. Minister replies,
] would request him to tell us how this
ground water organisation is specially
equipped with geo-science aspect of the
hydrological piogrammes they have. J can
understand their possessing the engineering
technology aspects. But how is it better
equipped for the geo-science aspect of
drilling for water so far as the new orga-
nisation now being entrusted with the work
is concerned ?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) 1 Mr Chairman, Sir, 1 must
express my thanks to the hon members who
have participated in the short discussion
because the problem that they have raised
is one of importance. For some time past,
Government had been considering the
question of reorganization of the Geologi-
cal Survey of India so as to make it more
efficient in the discharge of its functions
The reason is that, by and large, the pro-
gress that we have made towards comple-
ting the mapping up of the geology work in
the country has been at rather a slow rate
and we want it to concentrate more effec-
tively on its primary function which is
really the function of mapping. That is why
I will come to the procedure followed in a
minute — the decision has been taken by
Government not merely to take away, as it
were, from the GSI th^ functions which are
now going to be transferred to the Central
Ground Water Board but also to set up a
mineral exploration corporation which will
do, what may be called, the intermediate
work between surveying and mapping which
is to be continued in the GSI and the work
of actual exploitation which would be done
by the public sector mining corporation.
The decision m relation to the Central
Ground Water Board and transferring to
the Central Water Board the work of what
may be called hydrological investigation, as
distinct from mapping, was taken really in
line with the same principle.

Some years ago the Cabinet Secretariat
set up a committee to examine the working
of the different scientific committees of the
Government of India. This committee was
known as COSR — Committee on Organisa-
tion of Scientific Research. It was this
Committee that first examined the activi-
ties functions and organisational structure
of the Geological Survey of India. This
Committee, however, was wound up in
December 1970 and the work of this
Committee was transferred to the Comm.ttee
of Science and Technology as was directed
at that time by the Prime Minister. The
Committee of Science and Technology,
known as COST, set up a sub-committee
to look into the draft report that was
originally drafted by COSR and to make
any changes that may be necessary before it
was put up to ihe COST for fin*il adoption.
An hon. Member mentioned that the
Duecior-General of the GSI was a member
of the sub-committee lhat went into it and
ultimately submitted its draft report. It is
a fact lhat it was Dr. Krishnan who was
originally a member of the COSR and, if I
am not wrong, he died before the draft
report was made, and Shri M S. Bala-
sundaram, the present Director-General
of the Geological Survey of India, was a
member of the sub-committee set up by
COST.

Now, the Sub-Committee had discussions
both with Shri Vohra who is the Joint
Secretary in the Ministry of Agriculture
and also the Chairman of the Ground
Water Board as well as with the Director-
General of the Geological Survey of India.
One of the hon Members has stated...

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Only one
meeting he was allowed to attend

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANG-
ALAM : Allow me to finish. I listened to
you patiently. You can have a little patience
with me.

It was a fact. I do not conceal fact
from the House I think 1 can claim that
in the part and I can claim it to-day. It is
a fact that Shri Balasundaram attended —
hon. Member, Shri Jyoitrmoy Bosu said,
the second meeting. He may be right. But
one meeting he atteaded, may be the first.

357 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G I S (H.A H. Disc) 358

I was under the impression that it was the
first meeting But that is not relevant. It
is not a matter of any great importance. I
want to be accurate. I nuy be w.*onj, you
may be right. But that doei not affect the
substance of the muter. Hi attended one *
meeting of the Sub Co n n*ttee and after
that, the othe- m;e ings wj.c not attended
by him. It is also a fact, as hon. Member,
Shri Samar Gdha, read — 1 have not seen
that letter, nor is it of any great importance
that Shri Nag Choudhary did request Mr.
Balasundaram at a later meeting, parti-
cularly when the report was discussed, not
to attend. But I think it was because they
thought it easier to do the w irk that Shri
Nag Choudhary had elaborate discussions
with Shri Balasundaram regarding the
merits and demerits of this mitter and it
was after having an elaborate discussion
with him and separately also with Mr.
Vohra of the Central Ground Water Bvard
that the other members of the Sub-Com-
mittee came to certain conclusions which
were then put before the Committee on
Science and Technology and finally adopted
by them. The matter then came up before
the Cabinet and the Cabinet took the deci-
sion which the hon. Memebers have men-
tioned a little earlier.

A mention has also been made of
possible differences mside the Cabinet. Now
I think that is not a very relevant matter.
There are always differences on matters, but
ultimately the decision of the Cabinet is the
decision of the Cabinet, and the fact that
one Minister took a particular view at one
time or another Minister took a particular
view at another time is irrelevant so far as
the substance of the mitter is concerned.
Therefore, l think it would not be proper
on my part to enter into a sort of discus-
sion as to which Minister said what and at
what time. I think that is really an irre-
levant, minor matter. I am sure that hon.
Members also inside their own organiza-
tions, do not always think the same way.
There are differences, but, ultimately we
come to a decision which we accept to be
binding on all the members, whether it he
the Cabinet or a committee, whatever it be.

I think 1 can leave that question of diffe-
iences aside.

The real basis for the recommendations
that were made by the COST were that it

was an urgent question so far as the
Government and the country are concerned,
to formulate in precise and detailed terms
as to what are the operations involved
before starting of exploration and assess-
ment of the mineral resources of the country
in an area and assumption of responsibility
for the commissioning operation by an
exploiting agency. We decided let me
leave ‘we’ for the moment — the Committee
itself feit that it would be proper for the
G. S I. to concentration the actual mapp-
ing. My friend. Mr Malaviya need not
have concern of this point because the
GSI will continue its work of hydrological

mapping (Interruptions) It is really

a question of investigation in depth of the
resources which we have and ultimately the
decision ai rived at was that it could better
be carried on by the Central Ground water
Board In these matters I do not want to
be dogmatic. Obviously, there are two
views about it and I would not say that
there is no substance in the other point of
view. 1 would not like to use the expres-
sions ‘arbitrary’, ‘irrelevant’, expressions of
that cha racier. I think there are quite a
number of arguments which can be advanced
in favour of the opposite view, but expe-
rience has taught us that our geological
work is going on very slowly. That is a
fact. If you compare the manner in which
our GSI is working with other countries,
whether it be China or the Soviet Union or
the European countries or the Americas,
we are pretty backward in that area. This
is not so much a criticism of the GSI
because it is a criticism of all of us, all of
us who run this country. We should have
been able to devote more resources and
more energy to that. It is the decision of
the Government and the recommendation of
COST really in relation to that. Let us
all try to build ,up the GSI much faster.
There are a large number of problems we
face in relation to the recruitment, in
relation to the adequate use of the geolo-
gists’ talents iu our country and it is better
to speed up the geological work on the one
hand and enable the Minerals Exploration
Corporation explore the minerals and the
Central Ground Water Board in relation to
the water resources on the other.

This is to speed up what is called the
intermediate stage for really, effectively
locating what are the water resources and
hew best they can be made use of.

359

Decentralisation of AUGUST 21, 1972

G.S.I. (. H.A.H . Disc.) 360

[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramjmgalam]

I think there is no purpose m my enter-
ing into a long debate. There is not the
time for it also. I can only say very
genuinely to all hon. Members that we gave
our most anxious consideration to the
matter and we came to this conclusion and
therefore we decided to implement it.

18. hrs.

Some hon. Members pointed out that
tkere is deep resentment among the emp-
loyees. I am aware of what they have
stated

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Was COST
the competent body to decide over the
issue, because there were the physicists and
mining engineers, but there were no geolo-
gists or geo-hydrologists ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : The hon. Member will
appreciate that in COST itself there are
some of the leadmgscientists in the country.
It is true that there is no actual geologist,
by training.

I enn assure him that persons who are
Members of COST are persons with wide
experience. I do not like to mention
names, but I would say to illustrate what I
say, that Prof Subramaniam is a man who
has wide experience not only in mining but
also in geological work and as a scientist he
has been very useful n many areas for
instance, in Chinakuri disaster and things
of that character also, where geological
questions were involved.

From my experience, 1 find this There
is a tendency for pci sons belonging to a
particular school to think only in a parti-
cular way. It is not neccssdry that when
a decision is arrived at, it should be arrived
at only by the geologists,* even Mr. Samar
Guha or myself may be able to contribute
in coming to a correct decision, because
what is important is the effort of getring
together all the materials, thinking about
them, listening to those who are experts m
their field, getting their opinion, and then
only coming to proper conclusions. That
was the procedure that was followed.
When such persons of eminence are there
on the sub committee and the Committee on
Science and Technology, we could expect
them to come to right decisions after going
( hrough all the facts. Of course, it is

always possible to have certain difference of
opinion and argue on a matter like this.

What we did arose out of our dissatis-
faction with the state of affairs. We
thought this decision will help us to remedy
this state of affairs and work for the
speedier development of geological work.
1 know that there is a considerable amount
of feeling among both the geologists and
the sc enlists, and among the staff. We shall
see tha' they are not affected in any way.

Mr. Banerjee mentioned about the
shifting of the office. We have plans for
the rapid expansion of the G. S I. 1 don't
think there is going to be any harm for the
countiy — old office in Calcutta and it is not
going to be shifted Any way, there are
large number of employees of GSl in
Nagpur where we want to set up mineral
exploration of the GSI, the ground-water
division

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Dr. Rao's
opinion has been completely ignored.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : May I plead with Mr. Jyotirmoy
Bosu, if in his party meetings, whether all
his views are accepted, because there arc
bound to be some differences of opinion
but they are resolved ultimately. There is
no question of difference of opinion between
Dr. Rao and Mohan Kumaramangalam
Nobody’s opinion is being ignored; and
therefore snch arguments do not really bene-
fit us. No opinion is ignored, including
the opinion of the Director-General
of GSI The decision was arrived at
after taking into consideration the opinion
of the inviduals directly concerned.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How
much of the adverse opinion have you
overruled ?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANOA-
LAM : I do not think that we have over-
ruled that much of adverse opinion,
frankly.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA • Except the
opinion of COST. All the other commit-

361 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G.S.7. ( ff.A.ff ZWjc.) 362

tees were against it. Even the Irrigation
Commission's report and the Sen Commit-
tee's report were against it.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA-
LAM : 1 think that it will be difficult to
convince him, and, therefore, I have tried
my best. If I have failed, I have failed,
and 1 think that it is better to leave it at
that. I am only here to justify and make
clear why it was that Government arrived
at the decision on the advice of the various
persons who gave us advice. I think that

I have put the facts clearly before the
House, and I would request hon. Members
to appreciate the circumstances in which we
came to this conclusion and to give a trial
to what we are trying to do in this area.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Absolutely
unscientific answer.

18.6 hrs*

The Lok Sab ha then adjourned till Eleven
of the Clock on Tuesday, August 22 1912 /
S ravana 31. 1894 (Saka).

Printed at The Bengal Press, Delhi-6

CONTENTS

So. 16 —Tuesday, August 22, 1912 jSravana 31, 1894 (Saka)

Columns

Obituary Reference 1-3

Oral Answers to Questions :

"■Starred Questions Nos. 301, 302, 304 to 306, 308,

311 to 313, 315, 317 and 320 3-25

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 303, 309, 310, 314, 316, 318 and 319 25-31

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2980 to 3063 and 3065 to 3179 . 31-157

Re : Incidents at Shahdara 157-64,

166-68, 169-70

Paper Laid on the Table .... . 165

Parliamentary Committees— Summary of work . 165

Messages from Rajya Sabha .... . 165-66

Supplementary Demands for Grants (General), 1972-73. State-
ment presented 166

Conviction of Members :

Sarvashri Virendra Agarwal and R. R. Sharma . . . 168-69

Khadi and Other Handloom Industries Development (Additional

Excise Duty on Cloth) Amendment Bill— Introduced. . . 171

Statutory Resolution Re. dis-approval of Indian Iron and Steel
Company (Taking Over of Management) ordinance —
(negatived)

and

Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking Over of Manage-

ment) Bill 171-232

Motion to consider 171

Shri Swaran Singh Sokhi . * . . . 172-79

Shri Indrajit Gupta 172-88

Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ..... . 188-89

% Shri C. T. Dhandapani 189-93

- 1 Shri K. Gopal 193-96

* Shri Sbyamnandan Mishra 196-200

Shri Surendra Mohanty 206-3

"The Sign + marked above the name of the member indicates that the question
was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

1-11 L.S.S./72

Columns

Shri Vasant Sathe 203-4

Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangaiam 204-13

Clauses 2 to 17 and 1 213

Motion to pass, as amended

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ........ 226-28

Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangaiam ..... 230-32

Discussion Re. Power crisis in different parts of country 232-314

Shri Samar Guha ....... 232-39

Shri Darbara Singh . . . . . 240-44

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 244-47

Shri Bibhuti Mishra ....... 248-51

Dr. Ranen Sen ........ 251-55

Shri P. Venkata6ubbaiah ...... 255-58

Shri C. Chittibabu ....... 259-63

Shri Nawal Kishore Sinha ...... 263-66

Shri Phool Chand Verma ...... 267-70

Shri Kushok Bakula ....... 271-73

Shrimati Sahodarabai Rai 273-75

Shri K. S. Chavda 275-78

Shri Paripoomanand Painuli ..... 278-81

Shri R. S- Pandey 281-83

Shri D. D. Desai ....... 284—85

Dr. Govind Das Richhariya ..... 285-88

Shri P. Gangadeb ....... 288-89

Shri Pratap Singh Negi ...... 289-91

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar 291-92

Shri Sadhu Ram 292-93

Shri K. D. Malaviya 293-95

, Dr. Kailash 295-96

Shri Sat Pal Kapur ....... 296-97

Shri M- C. Daga ........ 297-98

Shri K. Ramakrishna Reddy 299

ShriB. V. Naik 299-300

Shri Shiva Chandika ....... 300

.Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ....... 300-1

Shri Chandrika Prasad . . . . - . . 301-2

Dr. IC< L. Rao ........ 302—14

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Tuesday, August 22, 1972 ISravana 31,
1894 (Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the

Clock

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair]

OBITUARY REFERENCE

MR. SPEAKER : Hoo. members, I
have to inform the House of the sad
demise of Shri M. Suryanarayana Mur-
ti who passed away at Visakhapatnam
on the 18th August 1972 at the age of
62.

Shri Murti was a member of the Se-
cond, Third, and Fourth Lok Stbha from
Andhra Pradesh during the years
1957-70. He used to take active inte-
rest in organising co-operative societies,
Harijan uplift and rural welfare, and
was held in high esteem by all of us who
were his colleagues.

We deeply mourn the loss of this
friend and 1 am sure the House will
join me in conveying our condolences
to the bereaved family.

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS-
TER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINIS-
TER OF ELECTRONICS, MINIS-
TER OF HOME AFFAIRS, MINIS-
TER OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker Sir, yester-
day we mourned the death of a sitting
Member of this House and today we
are mourning the sad demise of a for-
mer colleague. I associate myself and
this House with the sentiments which
you have expressed.

You have told us of the sincere and
dedicated work of Shri M. S. Murti.
He was a member of this House for
ten years. He actively participated in
the co-operative movement by organi-
sing co-operative societies. He helped
in rural and Harijan welfare. He was
also actively engaged in agricultural re-
search.

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Ho-
wrah) : I associate myself with the sen-
timents expressed by you and the Prime
Minister regarding the death of Shri
M. S. Murti.

Regarding the record of his social
activities, you have already told us.
So his death is also a loss to those who
are associated with these activities.

I request you to convey our condo-
lences to the bereaved family.

SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbhakonam) :
On behalf of my Parly, I associate my-
self with the sentiments expressed by
yourself and the Leader of the House.

Shri M. S. Murti was very well known
to many members here who had on
many occasions worked with him.
Though a silent type, he was. a very
sincere and devoted parliamentarian
and was always in the forefront to ch-
ampion the cause of the downtrodden
and the Scheduled Castes.

Once again I associate myself and
request you to convey our condolences
to the bereaved family.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I associate myself
and my Party with the sentiments ex-
pressed by you and the Prime Minister
regarding the sad demise of one of our
colleagues who was in Parliament from
1957-70. I happened to be in Parlia-
ment during those days and I have
seen him as a silent worker who used
to say something about the Harijans
and other oppressed classes whenever
the occasion came.

It is really extremely sad that practi-
cally every day evefy session We have
to mourn the death of a sitting member
or ex-MP. I do not know why nature
is so unkind to MPs,

I associate myself with the sentiments
already expressed and request you on
behalf of my party to convey our heart-
felt condolences to the bereaved family.

- , _ SHRIMATI M. GODFREY (Nomina-

I request you Sir, tjo convey our deep ted-Anglo-Indkns) : Mr. Speaker, Sir,
sympathy and Condolences to the her- I associate myself with the sentiments
®aved family. expressed by you, the Leader of the

Oral Answers

AUGUST 22, 1972

Oral Answers

House and other members and wish to
convey, through you, to .the bereaved
family our sincere condolences and our
prayers for the decerned.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH
iCNandyal) Mr. Speaker, while associa-
ting myself with the wntiments expres-
sed by the Leaders of the House and the
. leaders of the different groups, I would
like to say that his ia a personal loss
to me and to many of our colleagues
who had seen Shri M. Suryanarayana
Murti as a Congressman, as a parlia-
mentarian and as a champion of the
depressed and oppressed.

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN
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ntius have shown interest in the mating
up of industrial joint ventures In Maa-
ntius by the Indian Industrialists. The
Government of India have so far ap-
proved 9 proposals for setting up indus-
trial joint ventures in Mauritius, out of
which 2 have already gone into pro-
duction.

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As a science graduate, he was sev-
erely lathi-charged in the agitation
after Pandit Motllal Nehru’s dfeath.
He had been held in high esteem by
the Congress. He had participated in all
the .freedom movements. He was the
Prescient of the District Congress Com-
mittee for 19 years and also member
of die AICC.

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had lost all his property in the freedom
movement and even now and when he
was an MP, he used to live in a that-
died hut in the village of Kuntikerla.
He has set an example of honesty and
integrity.

We deeply mourn the loss of this
great soul. I request you to convey
our feelings to the members of the bere-
aved family.

MR. SPEAKER : As a mark of res-
pect to the memory of the deceased,
the House will stapd in silence for a
short while.

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,_SH[RI R. S., P ANPEY : What spe* in. our Ministry to look after die per-

S6:c inaustnes have been requested by f ormaflce bf these units in xxHopecatkm

the Prime Minister Shri Ram Goolam- with die foreign missions abroad. I

jt of Mauritius to be put up there. I mbst rej*>rt to the House the result*

amhappy to know that 59 per cent are of that. Out of 135 joint ventures ab-

peopte of Indian origin in Mauritius road, '33 are in operation, 52 come un-

ana Kam Goolamji has got very good def the category of those under impio-

and cordial relationship with TnHty and mentation. Thus the effective joint vea,-

is keen to invite our Government and tures are'85. Therefore, the results have

industrialists to go and establish indust* bteen encouraging,

nes mere.

^iSHRA : I have said

Thi were estabhshed.

The industries are, : mosaic tiles, rub-

J** p /^J c ,*fr A 0 " mills, canning indus-
*7’ hc *^ Rrmect, textiles arid cement

stakt* ivvma - ^

spi JYOTIRMOY BOSU : WUl
the ton.' Minister kindly tell tis in how
many" Cases 'where the Indian companies
had befen allowed to operate industries
in foreign countries they had been in-
vdlved in malpiri&tices arid in some ca-
sts even' convicted for violation of the
liW of fhe sofl?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am ha>
py that some industrial houses havt
*rf n Ecnuitted to go to Mauritius tc
$ U P industn^. Has any agreehienl
been reached between the twoGovern-
rnents We are yet to know, the fate
of Indians in some other countries - we
are facing some trouble in Uganda 1
want to know whether some sort of
agreement has been reached and if so

hw riL*® *f nns . of th ® agreement ?
Have these industrialists been told not

* «!** !?* e0onoim ic srtruatfioto in
T nat country?

M& SPEAKER : This is confined to
Mauritius onty: . ‘{IntkrrupfiaMf '"It Is
not a relevant question.

SHRI J YOTIRMOY BOSU : Ip
Kenya two of Bji;las executives were
jailed: as a result we get had name.

MR. SPEAKER : You are getting
bad' name fbr irrelevant questions. Next
.question.

r ' *

Handlooms Designing Centre in Koala

*302. SHRI RAMCHANPRAN KA-
DANNAPPALLI:

_ SHRI L- N. MISHRA : There is r
agreement between the two Goven
mente. Private parties go to differei
countries and they get permission <
licence. They get facilities from ti
country concerned. They have to ei
port from here machineiy and technici
know-how. That forms part of th
equity capital. When they make pre
nt, they earn some foreign exchans
for us; they have to be repartiate
back to the country. In very exceptic
nal cases very small amounts can b

cash „ for some technical pui
proe but usually that is not given. Whe
these projects are set up abroad, w

mllw nu “ ber °f °ur items suck a
machine plants, technical know-how

SWAMT n 1 ^ 11 CHANDRA GO
SWAbH : Before granting licences raa

tri«f < r V w ^ et her the Government ha

of^LifnV^ C?rtain L that are capabl.

sjsrsa?* *** na °“ ^ «-

rtf ®HRI L. N. MISHRA : That is on<
of*®. considerations. Wehadsom*
complaints. We set up a special be*

SHRI C. JANARDHfANAN :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN TR-
ADE be pleased to state :

(a) , whether Government of India
have taken a decision on the request
of the Kerala Stale Government to start
a Handlooms Desiging Centre in Kerala;
and

(b) if so, the approximate time by
which it will start functioning?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEQRGE) : (a) and (b).
It has been decided to set up a Weavers*
Service Centre in Kerala. Details of
staff and other requirements of the
Centre are being worked out. It will
be the endeavour of the Government
that the formalities are completed and
the Centre starts functioning as early
as possible.

SHRI RAMCHANDRAN KADAN-
NAPPALLI : Is there any proposal to
set weavers’ service centre at Canon-
nore in Kerala? Will the hon. Minister
assure us about the exact location?

7 Oral Answers AUGUST 22, 1972 Oral Answers 8

SHR1 A. C. GEORGE : Technically
speaking the centres ale allotted to the
Sato of Kerala. From the correspon-
dence available with ua the thinking of
tiie Kerala Government is to locate it
at Cannanore which is one of the most
Important handloom centres in that
State. 1 hope it will be in Cannanore
but the decision has to be taken by the
Kerala Government itself.

SHRI RAMCHANDRAN KADAN-
NAPPALLI : What benefits will be
conferred on labour by these centres?

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : The weav-
ers’ service centres are equipped to evo-
lve new designs, colour combinations
and new textures. These centres service
as channels through which handloom
production units receive technical ad-
vice and assistance in the pre-loom, and
post-loom production prdcesetes. They
carry out the work relating mainly to
research in the field of evolving different
designs and samples both for internal
and export markets and render neces-
sary technical assistance to. the hand-
loom industry in the field of designing,
weaving, dyeing and printing.

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
What were- the special considerations
which weighed in deciding to establish
the centre in Kerala ? Will the Govern-
ment also consider requests from other
States sympathetically, especially those
which are producing handlooms on a
large scale such as Bihar and Uttar
Pradesh and in case of U. P. will it
be located in Khalilabad which is a big
handloom cloth producing centre ?

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : These things
are decided purely on the merits of the
cases. Even at present there are seven
weavers service centres — Madras in
Tamil Nadu, Bombay in Maharashtra,
Calcutta in West Bengal, Varanasi in
U. P., Vijayawada jn Andhra Pradesh,
Bangalore in Mysore, Indore in M. P.,
a sub-centre at Kanchcepuram. Along
with the decision to locate a weavers’
service centre in Kerala, two other cen-
tres are proposed one in Assam and
another in Haryana.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : What about
Madhya Pradesh?

SHRI A. C. GEORGE: Further
there is a proposal to locate one more
service centre in U.P. and Bihar and
one sub-centre in Manipur.

SHRI K* S. CHAVDA : What about
Gujarat which has a large number of
weavers.

MR. SPEAKER : it would have been
much easier if you are precise. I quite
appreciate your memory but you should
be concerned about time also. Next
question.

Verdict on Krishna Waters

*304. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF-
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of
IRRIGATION AND POWER be
pleased to state : (a) whether the cons-
truction of Bennuthoora irrigation pro-
ject in Gulbarga taluka has been held
up till the verdict of Krishna Tribunal
is out; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and
when the verdict on Krishna is likely
to be announced ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N, KUREEL) : (a)
and (b). Proposals for the Bennutho-
ora irrigation Project have not so far
been sent by the Government of My-
sore.

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR-
KAR : I want to know whether the
tribunal has issued any stay order to
the effect that no project in the basin
area of river Krishna should be const-
ructed.

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER CDR. K. L. RAO) : No
such stay order has been issued but
when the matter is pending before the
tribunal we do not sanction any pro-
ject in the basin.

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR-
KAR : Has the Government fixed any
time limit within which the tribunal
would pass its judgement ? If it is not
so why is the Government of India
withholding clearance certificate regar-
ding the Krishna project construction ?

DR. K. L. RAO : There is no time-
limit fixed but the matter is
in an advanced stage of enquiry before
the tribunal and it is expected that the
judgement may be delivered in the co-
urse of the next one year.

Oral Answers

SRAYANA 3U 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers

Power Male Id M Nate

;«

*305. SHRI V. MAYAVAN :

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI :

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether power shortage in Tamil
Nadu has forced closure of milk and
created great problem in the Tamil
Nadu State;

(b) if so, the reasons for power shor-
tage; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL):
(a) No, Sir. There is no report of
closure of mills in Tamil Nadu on ac-
count of power shortage.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : May I know
whether there is a proposal ta cut ano-
ther mine in Neyveli so that the lignite
can be used for the production of ther-
mal power ?

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) :
That is under consideration. There is
not sufficient amount of lignite to make
use of for 600 mw capacity that has
been installed in Neyveli. So the ex-
pansion of the output in that region
is under consideration.

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : The hon.
Minister had given an assurance earlier
that Kalpakam atomic energy would
be commissioned in the year 1974.
Now they have postponed it to ’76.
May I know whether this later assurance
will be kept ?

DR. K. L. RAO : The Kalpakam
atomic! power station is expected to
become critical by 1975 and power will
be available in the early part of 1976.

Commercial Agreement with E.E.C.

*306. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU:

SHRI JAGANNATH
MISHRA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether European Economic
Community has approved a proposal for

10 -

commercial cooperation agreement with
India ; and

(b) if so, the salient features there-
of 7

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a)
aqd (b). The European Economic Com-
munity is in the process of finalising its
proposals on pur request for Commer-
cial Cooperation Agreement between
the two sides.

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : May I
know whether it is a fact that Britain
has entered the EEC to be effective from
January 1973 ? If so, what would be
the trading problems facing us because
of the entry of the British?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA: Yes, Sir.
Britain has entered EEC and only a
formality is left for its entry in January
1973. It is for this reason that we are
very anxious to have direct arrange-
ments with the EEC countries. We
want to have commercial co-operation
agreement. We have made some
progress but there are some difficulties.
We hope we will be able to sort them
out as a result of our direct negotiations
with the EEC member countries.

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : What is
the result of the talks on the duty-free
export of coir and jute products to the
EEC countries ?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It is not only
a question of coir or jute, which are
individual items. First an agreement
has to be made with regard to all goods.
Then alone trade will follow.

DR. RANEN SEN : What are the
terms that are being discussed with the
EEC countries and how long the talks
will continue ? What is the trend of the
discussion ?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It will not
be advisable to gjve the terms of the
agreement at the moment. We submit-
ted an aide-memoire in the latter part
of 1970. After that I had been to
Brussels. The Prime Minister was also
there and she was good enough to have
talks with the people in charge of EEC.
As a result of the changed attitude on
the part of some countries — I do not
want to mention names— I feel that we
will have agreement with EEC. Now
that Bangladesh has become a separate
independent State, we will not have any
difficulties so far as jute is concerned.

OndAimvtrs

AUGUST 12.W2

Oimt Amam t-

SHU & R, OAMA$U: Our export
of textiles to UK this year has been
adversely affected by the duty imposed
by UK. ht view of the fast that we
used to export a large quantity of tex-
tiles to UK and EEC countries, may
I know whether any special arrange-
ments are going to be made so that we
can maintain our exports ?

SHRI L. N. MISHKA. : Textile is
one of the items in respect of which our
performance in the field of exports is
very poor. That is our complaint
against the textile industry. It has. not
been able to fulfil its commitment of
export. That is. one of the aaain coosi-
deratBom why we are going to take over
the export of textiles.

SHRI RAGHUNANDANLAL BHA-
TTA : What is tike altitude of the British
Government in. respect of the negotia-
tions which am taking place between
India and EEC countries ?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : I will call it
helpful. They are not against our
direct negotiations.

late and, Transit Treaty fa South
Aston Countries
+

*308. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI :

SHRI B. V. NAIK :

for having this kin<k of tra<
treaty?

i India
transit

SHRI L. N. MISHRA: At the
moment we have- arrangements only with
the Government of Nepal At the
Kabul conference of the Economic
Ministers of this region it was decided
fa have this kind or regional develop-
ment. At- the moment, accept with
Nepal, we have no arrangement, nor is
there any dialogue going on.

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
QRAHJt : Foe the last two yean the
GQvesnmmt kodiu was proposing to
open up a land route from Turkey, and
Iran to Burma via Pakistan because it
would: faritoate the trade and transit of
the countries of the Asian region, and
also help Afghanistan. Now that the
Pakistan border has been opened for
hade from Afghanistan to Rutin, may I
know whether this proposal has ag ain
been taken up?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : As I said, we
have not taken up this matter with, any
country. So far as Nepal' is concerned,
we already have trade and transit treaty.
With Pakistan, Bangladesh and other
countries we have not come to any
arrangement regarding the transit facili-
ties for regional development

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether some countries in South
Asia have shown keenness to sign a
Treaty of Trade and Transit between
themselves ; and

(b) if so, what initiative the Govern-
ment of India have taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a)
and (b). No, Sir. There has been no
proposal under consideration for a
common Treaty of Trade and Transit
among the countries «■ in South Asia.
There have, however, been certain initia-
tives under the aegis of Economic Com-
mission for Asia and the Far East, for
closer trade and monetary co-operation
among the countries of the region. These
proposals have received the attention of
several Governments, including that of
the Government of India.

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : Which are the countries of
this region which have entered Into

SHRI B. V. NAIK : If we do not
already have dialogue with countries of
this area like Burma, Nepal, Bangladesh,
West Pakistan, Ceylon, Afghanistan and
other countries, since we are geogra-
phically contiguous to these countries,
would we at least at this stage initiate
talks for having a South Asian Econo-
mic Community because our economies
are interdependent?

MR. SPEAKER : You yourself
argue about it and then also suggest it.
This is not the proper way of asking a
question.

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It is a very
much wider approach. So far as the
ECAFE is concerned, there is already
a body for development of this area. So
far as having some other body for this
area is concerned we have no such
proposal. As I said only yesterday in
the Rajya Sabha, so far as jute is con-
cerned-, we want to have some arrange-
ment with Bangladesh. But it is a loud
thinking. Nothing can be said at this
stage.

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SRAVAMA ?*,

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ibpaii Express (Dirthi-CWcu#»)

*311. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE:
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
■pleased to state ;

(a) whether some Members of
Parliament have requested Government
to fix some quota in Rajdhaai Express
from Delhi to Calcutta for Members of
Parliament ;

(b) if so, whether any decision has
•since been taken ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PA1) : (a) Yes, Sir.

wtll tr%yel both, ip summer- apd in win-
ter. I want tq ktjpw whafire? W *H
be some seats reserved for them,

MR. SPEAKER : K may be possible
alter your present term.

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ffir aftr *ir®r i i aft $f<wrf <rtfaroi5fe
% *r«rr1f v\ ntC. faw*

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vs fMK qnsf) % fHt? ffofr w i&i ?

(h) and (cX It was decided some
time ago that no such quota should be
fixed. However, the matter is being
re-examined.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The hon.
Minister knows that a lot of Members
of Parliament travel from here to Cal-
cutta. Once thev exhaust air ticket, they
have to travel by the Rajdhani Express
because that is the quickest train. He
says that the matter is under considera-
tion. I would like to know when a
final decision is likely to be taken,
whether it is likely to be taken by the
end of this session.

SHRI T. A. PAI : It may not be
possible to take a decision before the
end of this session. Generally, in the
past, it was found that we were in a
position to provide accommodation to
Members of Parliament as and when
they wanted it, but there has been a
persistent demand that some seats should
be reserved for Members of Parliament.
As against that, there have been public
complaints also that in all the trains,
because of reservations made for parti-
cular classes like Members of Parlia-
ment, Defence forces and all that, consi-
derable inconvenience is caused to the
public. This is leading to some corrupt
practies. Therefore, we have appointed
a Committee, with which the Members
•of Opposition are also being associated,
to go into the question of reservation.
This matter also will be referred to the
Committee.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : That
Committee has been appointed. I wel-
come that. My question is only this.
There is a rush in the Rajdhani Ex-
.press only during summer. But M.Ps

SHRI T. A. ?^I : I am net going to
withdraw any privileges, but, there are
the complaints, that because of special
reservations, shortages are created. How
to get over fins problem ip being looked
into by the Committee. We shall
certainly see that these facilities are not
withdrawn. If there are any abuses
with which Railway officials are con-
cerned, we shall try to prevent them.

MR. SPEAKER: May I as the
Speaker of this House ask you that we,
that is, our Secretariat, should also have
been consulted ? We are responsible
for their coming and going and attending
the House. I have no knowledge about
anything. I at least have not appre-
ciated this.

SHRI T. A. PAI : Perhaps, you are
aware that a Committee has now been
appointed.

MR. SPEAKER : If you yourself
say that because of their coming the
public is inconvenienced, the public
will push them out. I do not think it
is so. This is not a proper place to say
that. I am passing on to the next
Question. ( Interruptions ) .

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose—

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t get excited.
I will discuss it with the hon. Minister
personally. I have not allowed any
more questions on it. We have aU
respect for the members of the public.
But so far as the facilities to Member.;
are concerned, it is the duty for me anil
my Secretariat also to see that they are
properly provided. They are provided
in the Act. We have been following it. I
would request the hon. Minister that in

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AUGUST 22, 1572

Oral Aamtrt

tuch matters at least he should have
the courtesy to consult mp also oa these
points,

SHRI T. A. PAI : Certainly, there is
no intention to withdraw any facility.
Whatever the facilities, I am safe-
guarding them.

MR. SPEAKER : Thank you, ' very
much.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BQSU : Just one
supplementary.

MR. SPEAKER : No more supple-
mentaries ; next Question.

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afhc ®ror totoIt tt ^aror

tot tot |; srft

ft) ’rfe §r, cfl to totot to g*«rr

% ftro toto totter tot 3<tpt to: ?gi |?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T, A. PAI) : (a) There is no
danger to the Railway line between
Ballia and Chupra stations due to
erosion by river Ganga or river Ghogra.

(b) Does not arise.

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??Rr tot to afrc ^ % j- f5R

rft tor tot ?

SHRI T. A. PAI : In 956, there was
some trouble. But thereafter, I under-
stand, adequate safeguards have been
taken by the Irrigation Department of
the U.P. Government and we do not
apprehend any such threat now.

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ffrvr $) ttflT % fttr srmr % ft»rrt

SHRI T. A. PAI : Since the hon.
Member is giving some information
which may be some consequence, what-
ever the reply I have given, I shall get
the matter looked into.

Proposals submitted by Kerala Govern-
ment re : Cashew Industry
-h

*313. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :

SHRIMATI BHARGAVI
THANKAPPAN :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state the present
stage of the proposals submitted by
Government of Kerala regarding (i) the
taking over of 25 more closed Cashew
Factories by the Cashew Development
Corporation and fixation of quota of
17,646 tonnes of raw nuts (ii) grant of
Rs. 150 lakhs and loan of a similar
amount for the take-over of at least
15 closed Cashew Factories under the
provisions of the Kerala Relief Under-
takings (Special provisions) Act (iii)
issue of passports for skilled labourers
engaged in Cashew industry to enable
them to go to foreign countries (iv)
allotment of additional quantities of
raw nuts to factories run by the Corpo-
ration and (v) refusal of raw nuts
allotment to factories which do not
implement minimum wages etc. to
labourers 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : A statement
is laid on the Table of the House.

Statement

The present position of the proposals
is detailed below : —

(1) Kerala State Cashew Develop-
ment Corporation have taken over

Ora! Answers

SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers

twenty five cashew processing; factor-
ies. Government have not received any
proposal from the State Government
regarding takeover of additional units.

Imported raw cashew-nuts are allot-
ted by the Cashew Corporation of India
to the export oriented cashew processing
units including the Kerala State Cashew
Development Corporation on the basis
of lowest of their entitlements worked
out in relation to : —

(1) best exports of the unit for 1968,

1969 and prorata for 1970 prior
to canalization ;

(ii) best imports of the unit for the
year 1968, 1969 and prorata for

1970 prior to canalization ;

(iii) processing capacity of the unit.

(2) A loan of Rs. 20 lakhs has been
made to the State Government to enable
Kerala State Cashew Development Cor-
poration to take over closed Cashew
procuring units.

(3) No such proposal has been
received from the State Government.
However skilled cashew labour can apply
for passports under the normal rules.

(4) Ad-hoc allotment of imported
raw cashew nuts have been made to
Kerala State Cashew Development Cor-
poration to the tune of 10,000 tonnes.

(5) Lists ol Cashew factories which
are not implementing the Minimum
wages Act furnished by the State Govt,
are being scrutinized by the Cashew
Corporation of India in consultation
with the State Government.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : According
to the statement, the Government says
that allotments of raw cashew nuts are
made to units having best export and
import performance for the last three
years. The present policy of the Gov-
ernment helps only the monopoly
groups. There are small units who have
no import performance but they only
export. Those small units are not
getting raw nuts because they are not
having any import. Do the Govern-
ment consider to give raw nuts to small
units who have no import performance
but only export performance?

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : The import
of cashewnut was canalised from
September 1970. These were the norms
fixed on an ad hoc basis. I do not
agree with the hon. Member that the

present arrangement b helping Only the
monopolists or vested interests. But, all
the same, there is a proposal to review
the present ad hoc arrangement, and on
behalf of the Cashew Corporation of
India we have offered that raw nuts wilt
be allotted only to units which are
keeping the law of the land, namely, the
minimum wages. I think, if that is
implemented, it may meet the criticism
of the hon. Member.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : The hon.
Minister says that the Kerala Govern-
ment has submitted the list. I would
like to know from the hon. Minister
what is the purpose of scrutinising the
list submitted by the Kerala Govern-
ment of those who have not implemen-
ted the minimum wages. Kerala Govern-
ment is a responsible body. What is
the purpose of scrutinising that list?

~SHRI A. C. GEORGE : This is a
matter concerning more than 1.5 lakh
workers. As was explained earlier, an
ad hoc arrangement was made, but now
when we change this and make a pucca
arrangement, it has to be scrutinised
well. This can be proved by the fact
that the Kerala Government itself has
submitted two lists which shows that
they have their own confusion. Naturally
when we make a permanent arrange-
ment, we may have to scrutinise it
further so that there are no lapses.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : When the
pucca arrangement is made, is the
number ot employees to be benefited
likely to be reduced ?

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : No, Sir, Ulti-
mately it will not affect the number of
workers. The only thing will be, re-
allocation will be made to see that the
clandestine activities that are going on
to avoid the minimum wages and other
facilities which are legally to be given
to the workers are stopped. The num-
ber of workers engaged in this will be
the only criterion, and it will be ensured
that they are paid the minimum wages.

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SHRI A. C. GEORGE: I do not
think any facility was given by the
Foreign Trade Ministry.

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*315, SHRI GIRIOHAR

GOMANGO : Will the - Miniver of
RAl£\VAYS be pleased to state the; time
by which Railway?, are confident of
achieving self-sufficiency in Railway
wagons?

TUB MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The country has
already achieved self-sufficiency in
wagon production. In fact, a significant
number of. wagons, is being exported

ously move coal also. Rut on account
of the law and order situation, m the
eastern region, there have been some
bottlenecks, Apert from these the
covered wagon, situation also requires
to be looked lpto, because there is, a
practical shortage- in the sense, of pro-
viding covered, wegqus— not °? er ‘
all situatiqn. All these difficulties, arp
being looked into. We shall certainly
see that the goods are kept moving in
this country.

every year,

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SHRI T. A. PAI : The question re-
fers to self-sufficiency in wagon produc-
tion. The requirements of wagons; parti-
cularly for the Indian Railways, at
times appear to be sufficient; but at
times, because of the various changing
patterns of trade and also certain res-
trictions on movements, rapidly under-
going changes. So we are now conti-
nuously studying this problem with the
idea that the bottlenecks that are now
coming up in wagon movements are
removed.

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SHRI D. P. JADEJA : From the
hon. Minister’s statement it seems that
wagons for metrp-gsuge are also avail-
able. If that’ is so, may I, knpw from
the hon. Minister whether they would
give preference tq, remove aft, tfte salt
which is now dissolving in water m the
coastal area?

SHRI T. A. PAI : All the salt for
human consumption is being moved.
But, at the same time, we are trying to
find out whether we should not have
some coordination with coastal ship-
ping also, so that, at least to some parts
of the country salt or coal is moved by
sea.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA:
May I ask from the hon. Minister whe-
ther he has received any complaint from
the colliery dealers of Raniganj and
Dhanbad area. . .

MR. SPEAKER : This is a general
question. But you are going into speci-
fic points. This does not arise out of
this. This is a simple question about
self-sufficiency. You are going into rail-
way lines.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
There are complaints that due to shor-
tage of wagons, large stocks are being
accumulated at pit-heads of the collie-
ries in Raniganj and Dhanbad.

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Mr. Salve.

SHRI T. A. PAI : As and when
complaints come, we are looking into
them. But the basic problem is to keep
our wagons moving continuously. The
pattern of trade also has been under-
going a change. When we were im-
porting foodgrains the movement was
to the northern parts of the country,
but now after the Green Revolution,

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : If there is
no shortage of wagons and if there is
no acute shortage of efficiency, may I
know from the Minister why, for the
preceding six months, coal, manganese
and fecro-manganese traders have been
continuously pestering the Ministry and
the Minister and if it were not for the
Minister’s help, this trade would have

Qtal itmmrs

SRAVANA'3l*AM4 ASAEA) O^JAm^ers 32

emm to a taindntable. pause. (Interrupt
($Um) die is issue by

sayiog tbat thdy are looking into the
matter. (Interruption) He must indicate
what they have looked into so far. There
has been a seasonal trade everywhere.
Have th£y tried to mobilise their move-
ments along with the seasonal trade, ahd
may I know what recent steps haye they
taken to create conditions by which the
psychology of shortage of wagons is
properly treated.

SHRI T. A. PAI : The hon. Member
is perfectly right, if it is the psychology
of shortages in wagons that are being
manipulated. (Interruption)

So far as the private trade is concern-
ed, we are now finding that it has a right
to reserve the wagons and cancel them
at the last minute. A proper planning
of scientific movement of wagons is yet
to be undertaken by us in view of the
difficulties we are experiencing. We
are looking into the Railway Act itself
to sec what steps are necessary to
ensure that our wagons are released
immediately, instead of being kept by
the private traders.

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose—

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry.

MR. GANGADEB — absent.

MR. PRASANABHAI MEHTA -
absent.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Only
one supplementary which will interest
you, Sir.

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. I have
passed on to the next question.

Sudani ban on export of Cotton to
India

*317. SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

SHRI VEKARIA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Sudan Government haye
banned the export of cotton to India;
an d

(b) if so, the measures taken by Gov.
erqipent to face the shortage of cotton,
especially long staple cotton for finer
varieties qf textiles?

im uwmm of foreign

TRADE m * I fL. N. *HSH*A) : (a)
aqd (b). A batement is kid on the Table
of the .House.

Statement

(a) Sudan Public Cotton Corporation
suspended shipments of cotton to India
on l&th July, 1972. They have done this
on the jHea that certain credits to them
in cotton already shipped have not been
remitted by the State Bank of India,
Bombay. The matter has been taken up
with the Sudanese authorities.

(b) Existing stocks of Sudan cotton
are sufficient to meet industry’s require*
ments for the next six months and there
is no fear of shortage.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : From the
statement which is a little confusing,
may I ask the hon. Minister as to what
measures are being taken to avoid such
non-payment by our banks?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : This arose as
a result of the uncertainty about the
value of the pound sterling. That was
the main reason and I am sure the pay-
ment will be resumed and we will have
the committed quantity of cotton from
Sudan.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Non-payment
by our banks to foreign countries is
definitely not a fair practice in trade.
May I know whether this was a delibe-
rate move as we are not in need of more
cotton ?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It was not a
deliberate move. The State Bank of
India was the paying authority and as a
result of the uncertainty of the value of
sterling — you know it was there six or
seven weeks ago — there was delay in
payment and they stopped the shipment
of cotton. But it is going to be resum-
ed soon.

SHRI VEKARIA : To meet this
shortage, permanent shortage of staple
cotton, I would like to know from the
Minister, what long term measures the
Government propose to take. To meet
the shortage of such cotton, does the
Government propose to give subsidised
seeds for the production of such cotton?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : A compre-
hensive scheme in collaboration with , the
Planning Commission, Agriculture
Ministry and the Ministry of Finance
has been worked out to help the cotton

OraJ Amivtr

AUGUST 22, 1972

Oral Atuwtrt

growers to grow more cotton. But, here,
it is one thing. From'pMan we get
^juality cotton, hi^i qualify cotton which
perhaps we will have to have from them
for a number of years to come. But the
quantity is not much. It varies from
Jive to eight lakhs bales.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Now it is
■admitted here that our banks stopped
payment. I would like to know from
the Minister whether it is true that the
Government of India has not allowed
remittance saying that there is no credit
in the name of Sudan. If so, what is
the reason?

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : There is no
question of credit. Even for credit there
are terms of payment and our terms of
payment were not fulfilled in time. That
is why the Sudanese exporters did not
export the cotton to us. It was a tem-
porary suspension and it is going to be
resumed.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : My ques-
tion was not answered. . .

MR. SPEAKER : He has answered
it.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : We were
not allowed to remit because there is no
credit in the name of Sudan.

MR. SPEAKER : No arguments
please. This is not the time to argue.

SHRI N. K. SANGHI : The hon.
Minister said that the payment was not
rendered by the State Bank due to the
uncertainty in the value of pound ster-
ling. May 1 know in what other cases
the Bank did not pay. This difficulty
should have arisen in respect of other
countries also.

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : I cannot say.
It is mainly a question for the Ministry
of Finance.

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Arvind Netam
— absent.

Shri Onkar Lai Berwa— absent.

Allotment of Railway Land in Delhi to
Cooperative Housing Societies
of RaUwaymen

•320. SHRI DINEN BHATTA-
CHARYYA : Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Mb Ministry has a policy
to stimulate the growth of House Build-
tog activities amongst the Rafiwaymen;
and

(b) if so, whether his Ministry has any
scheme to allot the surplus railway land
in Delhi area or near Delhi to the Co*
operative Housing societies of Railway-
men?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes* Sir.

(b) No surplus Railway land is avail-
able. However Railway Employees Co-
operative Housing Societies have been
allotted land by the Delhi Development
Authority.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
May I know whether the Minister is in
a position to state what percentage of
the employees at the present moment
have actually been provided with rail-
way quarters?

SHRI T. A. PAI : About 40% of the
employees have been provided.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
There is a written complaint from the
Commercial Clerks of the Eastern Rail-
way that in spite of their repeated de-
mands, they are not getting any facilities
either for getting any accommodation
in the railway buildings or even they are
not getting loans, long term loans for
building their own houses. If it is a
fact, what is the reaction of the Gov-
ernment in the matter?

SHRI T. A. PAI : I shaU look into
it.

SHRI S. M. BANERIEE : The hon.
Minister is aware that the railway em-
ployees are not entitled to have any
bouse from the General Pool from the
Works & Housing Ministry. I would
like to know whether any plan has been
chalked out to have mbre houses during
the Fourth Plan. If so, the number of
houses to be constructed for Class III
and IV employees.

SHRI T. A. PAI : I shall be glad to
answer if a separate question is put on
the subject. This relates to co-opera-
tive housing.

SHRI R. P. YADAV : May I know
whether the Government is in the know
of the fact that some quarters earmark-
ed for certain category of employees
are given to some other category of em-
ployees in the N. E. Railway and they
are not being vacated?

SHRI T. A. PAJ ; There may he a
few such cases. I do not know under
what circumstances they have been

Wriut* An***

SRAVANA 31, MM XSdKA) WritmAumn 26

If the hool Member

Unites to me, I will live the informa-
tion.

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. (b) if so, the amount of deficit bala-
nce; and

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a)
Yea, Sir.

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on the
Table of the House.

Statement

SHRI T. A. PAI : I think we will
.have to wait for some better time. Every
year we are spending about Rs. 5 crores
for house building for railway emplo-
yees, and the cost of building materials
is going up. I think we are accomplish-
ing less and less year after year. Any-
way, we are looking into this, and see
what best can be done.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : There are
50,000 — 60,000 acres of land with the
railways and the number of railway em-
ployees form a very select group. We are
told land is available whether in the
urban or the rural area along the rail-
way track or in the various urban cen-
tres. Will the Railway Minister let us
know whether since these are public
properties and since these are public
undertakings, it will be kept open for
housing facilities for the railway emplo-
yees alone or for other people also who-
ever deserve to be given or would it be
kept as a sort of private reserve for rail-
way men alone?

SHRT T. A. PAT : The land has been
given to the Railways for a specific pur-
pose. The Railways will have to decide
for what purpose it has to be used.
Otherwise, the land has to be given back
to the State so that it may be used for
other purposes.

During 1970-71, the adverse balance
ot trade with Federal Republic of Ger-
many was of the order of Rs. 74.57
crores as against Rs. 54.55 crores during
1969-70. During 1971-72 (April-Janu-
ary) the advance balance of trade with
Federal Republic of Germany was of
the order of Rs. 74.88 crores as against
Rs. 60.58 crores during the correspond-
ing period of the previous year.

2. To arrest this trend of widening
trade deficit with West Germany steps
have been taken to intensify the efforts
for accelerated promotion of exports to
West Germany. These include efforts
taken to secure reduction /elimination of
tariff /non-tariff barriers on items of ex-
port interest to India, identification and
concentration of export efforts on a few
selected products, consideration of the
question of launching a Commercial
Development Programme, participation
in fairs /exhibitions, exchange/ sponsor-
ing of sales teams /delegations, explora-
tion of ways and means to secure in*
creased West German investments in ex-
port-oriented ventures in India and also
to secure Indian participation in joint-
ventures abroad including consultancy
services, effective utilisation of import
agencies in West Germany, and measures
for ensuring effective/dynamic function-
ing of export promotion agencies locat-
ed in India and abroad.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES-
TIONS

Deficit Trade with Federal Re-
public of Germany

*303. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a trend of widen-
ing deficit trade balance developing in
the trade between India and Federal Re-
public of Germany;

Channelising Imports & Exports
through S.T.C.

*309. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of
FOREIN TRADE be pleased to state
the extent to which the State Trading
Corporation has succeeded in channelis-
ing imports and exports in the best inte-
rests of the country’s economy?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : The State
Trading Corporation has been able to

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arrmg*. import of Jtdaqaate qaandties
of various raw materials in wlk in a
planned and phased manner, at competi-
tive prices, thereby Electing savings in
foreign exchange and ensuring their
supply to the consumers at reasonable
prices. As regards exports, the STC has
been able to eliminate internal competi-
tion amongst exporters, to secure the
best prices from foreign buyers and to
promote exports of various commodi-
ties, and has been at the same time,
assisting small manufacturers in export-
ing their products.

Damage due to floods in Birbhum,
West Bengal

*310. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA :
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) total damage to crops, foodgrains
and buildings .caused by recent floods in
Birbhum in West Bengal, Block-wise;

(b) the areas in Birbhum which have
been affected by the recent floods and
to what extent ; and

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : (a)
and (b). No report has so far been re-
ceived from the State Government in
respect of damage due to floods in
Birbhum district of West Bengal.

Profit Railways during Next
Financial Year

*314. DR. SANKATA PRASAD :
Wffl the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the RaUways expected to
earn profit in the next financial year;
and

(b) if so, the amount thereof?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. FAI) : (a) It is too early at
this stage to make any anticipations
about the surplus m the budgetary posi-
tiou of the Railways {or the necqt year.

(b> Dees not arise.

Mat Review CammRtM lor fiMx
.Nepal Saute Agreement

*316. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state ;

(a) whether a meeting of the joint re-
view committee of India and Nepal was
held in Kathmandu on 24th July, 1972
to review the implementation of the
lndo-Nepal Trade and Transit Treaty
concluded in August, 1971 ; and

(b) if so, a resume of the discussions
held and decisions taken at the meeting?

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a)
and (b). Yes, Sir. The Committee re-
viewed the working of the lndo-Nepal
Treaty of Trade and Transit (1971) —
both with reference to trade between
India and Nepal and the transit of
Nepal’s trade with ‘third* countries
through India.

2. The delegations exchanged informa-
tion and discussed the adequacy of
measures in force to prevent smuggling
and deflection. It was felt that on the
whole these were functioing satisfac-
torily and the Treaty had worked
smoothly. The Committee agreed that
the following steps would be taken with
a view to strengthen mutual contacts be-
tween the appropriate agencies of the
two countries : —

(i) Customs Group :

(a) The Indian Border Examiners
of Customs will liaise with their
counterparts in Nepal once a
month.

(b) The Collector of Customs,
Patna, will liaison with his counter-
part in H.M.G. of Nepal. Such
meetings may be held quarterly.

Group (a) and (b) will report the results
of their efforts for consideration of the
loint Review Committee.

(ii) Statistical Group :

Appropriate statistical groups of
the two countries shall meet im-
mediately and thereafter at perio-
dical intervals before the Joint
Review Committee

3. In the light of the experience of (be
working of fife new Treaty mid oh the
request made by Nepal, ft was agreed

29 Written Answers SRAVANA 31

to allocate an additional open space of

20.000 sq. ft. adjacent to the area of

10.000 sq. ft. already provided to Nepal
at King George's Dock Extension. The
two sides also agreed to provide two
additional transit routes via Naxalbari
and Sursand and one additional route
for trade with India to cater to the re-
quirements of Gularia District of Nepal.
Keeping in view the needs of Nepal, it
was agreed to provide additional wagons
for movement of essential commodities
like salt, coal and cement to Nepal.
Pending conclusion of an agreement be-
tween India and Nepal on road trans-
port, the two Governments agreed, on
the basis of reciprocity, to facilitate the
movement of commercial vehicles of
one country in the territory of the other.
India has agreed to permit the Nepal
Transport Corporation to ply container
trucks in India, without insisting on
bank guarantee.

4. The question of refund of arrears
of excise duty was also discussed. It
was agreed to waive some of the re-
quirements of the agreed procedure to
enable H.M.G. of Nepal to prefer their
claims.

Augmentation of Power Generation
in Madhya Pradesh

*318. SHRT ARV1ND NET AM :
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) the amount of power generated in
Madhya Pradesh ;

(b) the assessed demand for power in
the State at present; and

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO): (a)
The power generated in Madhya Pra-
desh is 10.4 million Kwh /day corres-
ponding to about 570MW.

(W As per the Seventh Annual Power
Survey the peak load demand in the
State is expected to rise from 478 in
1971-71 to 553 in 1972-73.

2—11 L.S.S./72

i 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

Pradesh from the following projects : —

(0 Ranapratapsagar Hydro-
electric Project-Fourth
Unit of 43 MW

50% share . .21.5 MW

(a) Jawaharsagar Hydro-
electric Project (3X33
MW)

50% share . . 49.5MW

(3I Satputa Thermal Power
Station Fifth Unit of
62.5 MW

60% share . . 37.5MW

(4) Extension of Korba Ther-
mal Power Station. 120 MW

228 5 MW

Additional generating capacity front
Jawaharsagar (16.5 MW), Ranapratap-
sagar (21.5 MW) and Satpura (37.5
MW) power stations has become avail-
able. Balance share of 33 MW from
Jawaharsagar will become available by
1973-74 The Korba Extension Unit will,
however, spill over to the Fifth Plan.

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Written Answers

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Cases pending in the Estate Officers’

Court’s re. Encroachments by Two

Firms at Burnpur (S. E. Railway)

2980. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether any cases are pending in
the Estate Officers’ Court under the Pub-
lic Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised
Occupants) Act regarding Railway land
encroached upon by two firms at Burn-
pur on South Eastern* Railway in 1956
and 1957;

(b) if so s the outcome thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes.

(b) and (c). Action was initiated under
the Public Premises (Eviction of Un-
authorised Occupants) Act to evict the

encroachers from the Railway land.
The cases are sub judlce in the Estate
Officer’s Court.

Representation from Diamond Mer-
chants Association re. Import
of Diamonds

2981. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of FORE-
IGN TRADE be pleased to state ;

(a) whether the Diamond Merchants
Association has represented to Govern-
ment against the policy of import of
rough diamonds; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The representation pertains to the
increase in the percentage of compul-
sory issue of release orders for rough
diamonds on National Minerals Deve-
lopment Corporation from 10% to 20%
of the entitlement under the Registered
Exporters Policy and giving retrospec-
tive effect to it from 1st April, 1972,
irrespective of the period of export.
This decision is in keeping with the
general policy of progressive canalisa-
tion followed by Government, and no
change in it is contemplated for the pre-
sent.

Opening of Jute Corporation Office
in Assam

2982. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Jute Corporation of
India has opened its office in Assam ;

(b) the quantity of jute purchased by
the Jute Corporation in Assam upto the
end of June, 1972; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). Jute purchases in Assam
during 1971-72 (July-June) were under-
taken by the State Trading Corporation.
The Corporation purchased 21,760
quintals through iour agents appointed
by the Corporation,

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Engineering Association Delegation’s
visit to South East Asia and
Japan

2984. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL :

SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-

JHUNWALA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether a delegation of Engineer-
ing Associations recently visited South
East Asia and Japan ;

(b) if so, whether the delegation has
submitted any report to Government
pointing out the industries that can be
set up as joint ventures ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). A preliminary report has
been received from the delegation which
highlights the prospects for increased ex-
port of engineering goods to South East
Asian Countries and also mentions the
scope for establishing more of joint ven-
tures and labour intensive small scale
industries in the field of Metallic ore
smelting industry. Manufacture and as-
sembly of motor vehicles and bicycles,
Electronic goods. Industrial Machinery
and parts. Cast iron products. Pipes and
Tubes and fittings. Electrical goods and
appliances. Engines and turbines. Ship
building and transport equipment, Hard-
ware tools, and Instruments — surgical,
scientific etc.

The salient features of the delegation's
preliminary report pertaining to joint
ventures ar© as follows : —

(a) A team representing the small
scale industries should be sent

to Malaysia to study opportuni-
ties for establishment of labour
intensive small scale industries.

(ii) Delegations from these countries
should be invited to visit engi-
neering facilities in India.

Acreage of Land Irrigated in
Madhya Pradesh

2985. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) the acreage of irrigated land at
present in Madhya Pradesh, District-
wise, and

(b) the acreage of land likely to be
irrigated by the end of the current Plan,
District-wise ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
A statement showing the district-wise
net irrigated area in Madhya Pradesh in
1970-71, the latest year for which it is
available at the Centre, is laid on the
Table of the House. [Placed in library -
See No. LT— 3467/72.]

(b) The irrigation potential in
Madhya Pradesh at the end of the
Fourth Plan is expected to be 11.9 lakh
hectares from major and medium pro-
jects and 8 7 lakh hectares from minor
irrigation works. District-wise break up
is not available at the Centre.

Shortage of Power in Madhya Pradesh

2986. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether by the end of the year
1974-75 there will be a deficit of nearly
383 M.W. of Power in Madhya Pradesh;
and

(b) if so, the steps taken or proposed
to be taken ip near future to meet the
shortage ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
There will be a shortage of about 300
MW of power in Madhya Pradesh by
the end of 1974-75.

(b) To mitigate the power shortage, it
is proposed to augment the installed

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AUGUST 22, 1972

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generating capacity in the State by tak-
ing up new schemes as well as extensions
to plants at existing power stations such
as Korha, Amarkantak and Satpura for
completion during the Fifth Plan period
totalling 1460 MW.

Power and Irrigation Schemes of
Madhya Pradesh Government
pending with Planning Com-
mission

2987. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of major Schemes of

Power and Irrigation of Madhya Pra-
desh Government which are pending
with the Planning Commission Tor ap-
proval; and

(b) since when, these schemes are
pending and the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
and (b). A statement showing the major
multi-purpose, irrigation and power pro-
jects, received from Madhya Pradesh
Government, which have not yet been
cleared, and the present stage of exami-
nation, is enclosed.

Statement

SI. Name of Project Date of Stage of Examination

No. receipt

in C.W.

& P.C.

Multipurpose Projects

1 Narmada Sagar . . , 30-5-68 The scheme lies in t lie Narmada

basin, and it may he possible
to clear it in the near future.

2 Bansagar .... 17-6-60 The scheme imolves intcr-State

aspects relating to utilisation of
Sone waters among Ma Iliya
Pradesh, Bihar and Utlar Pra-
desh, which arc under discussion
with the State Go\ ernments.

Irrigation Project*

3 Sukta ..... 29-4-63 The srheme lies m the Narmada

basin, and it may be possible to
clear it in the near future.

•

4 Bargi ..... 22-2-69 The scheme lies in the Narmada

basin, and it may be possible to
clear it in the near future.

5 Upper Wainganga . . 26-10-70 The scheme lies m the Godavari

basin, and its clearance will have
to await the award of the Godavari
Water Disputes Tribunal.

6 Hasdeo (Bango) . . . 9-6-72 Under Examination.

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SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAXA) WrUtten Answers 38

SI. Name of Project Date of Stage of Examination

No. receipt

in C.W.

&P.C.

Power Projects

7 BodhghatHydro-eicctric Project 6-8-70 The scheme report bas been exami-

ned and certain clarifications
additional details called for from
the State Government. Their
reply is awaited. The scheme is
in Godavari basin, the water
disputes regarding which are
before a Tribunal.

1 3-9-7 1 The Central Water and Power
Commission’s comments on the
scheme arc being finalised for
consideration of the Technical
Advisory Committee.

8 Expansion of Thermal stations

at Korba, Satpura and
Amatkantak by installing one
120 MW unit at each loca-
tion-

9 Harinphal Hydel Project. .

10 Milicshwar Hydel Project

Refusal of D.V.C. to meet the Power
requirements of Industries in
West Bengal

2988. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas-
ed to state whether Damodar Valiev Cor-
poration has refused to meet the
power requirements of the industries
around Calcutta and have asked the Cal-
cutta Electricity Supply Board to meet
Ihc demand of these industries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The
responsibility of meeting the loads
of industries in and around Calcutta
rests with the Calcutta Electric Supply
Corporation Ltd. m its own licence area
and with the West Bengal State Electri-
city Board, outside the licencees’ area.
Damodar Valley Corporation is required
to supply to consumers at a voltage ex-
ceeding 30 kV only within the Damodar
Valley. However, under an agreement
with the Calcutta Electric Supply Com-
pany Ltd., the Damodar Valley Corpo-
ration bas been supplying to Calcutta
Electric Supply Company about 105
MVA since April, 1957, with the permis-
sion of the State Government. The res-
ponsibility of making additional supply

1 9-5-72 1

}-Under examination.
l 9‘5-72 J

is that of the West Bengal State Electri-
city Boards. The question of Damodar
Valley Corporation supplying power to
industries in and around Calcutta does
not arise.

Implementation of Scheme for Develop-
ment of Coir Indnstiy in Kerala

2989. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the scheme for the deve-
lopment of coir Industry submitted by
the Government of Kerala has been ap-
proved ;

(b) if so, the salient features thereof
and the steps taken for the implementa-
tion of the scheme ; and

THE DEPUfY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A C. GEORGE): (a) The
scheme for the development of coir in-
dustry submitted by Government of
Kerala was examined by a Study Group
set up by the Planning Commission. A
representative of the Kerala State Gov-
ernment was also a member of the Study
Group. The recommendations made by
the Study Group were conveyed to the
State Government.

39 Written Answsri

AUGUST 22, 1972

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(b) and (c). The study Group assess-
ed, the financial requirement of the
Kerala Government Scheme at Rs. 6.99
crores in the shape of capital, manage-
rial assistance etc. for the cooperative
societies. The financial requirements
were to be met from within the approv-
ed Plan outlay for the Kerala State and
institutional finance. The State Govern-
ment have initiated some action to ensure
implementation of the scheme.

Confirmation of Commercial inspectors
now on Deputation (Western
Railway)

2990. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of Commercial Ins-
pectors who have been on deputation
and not confirmed so far on Western
Railway ; and

(b) The steps being taken to confirm
them ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). No
Commercial Inspector is on deputation
from the Western Railway to any other
Government /Semi-Government under-
taking.

Request to Pakistani Authorities by
Indian Officials at Hussainiwala
Headworfcs to open sluice-gates
to prevent flooding of
Indian Territory

2991. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY :
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether any request was made by
the Indian Officials at Hussainiwala
Headworks on 9th July, 1972 to Pakis-
tani authorifies to open eight sluice-
gates to prevent flooding of the Indian
territory;

(b) if so, the facts of the case; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). In July this year at the re-
quest of Indian Government the Pakis-
tan Government opened all the gates on

their side of the Hussainiwala headworks
except two which were not operational
Government of India expressed appre-
ciation for this gesture.

Tellicherry-Mysore Railway Line

2992. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN
KADANNAPPALLI : Will the Minis-
ter of RAILWAYS be pleased to refer
to the reply given to Unstarred Ques-
tion No. 265 on the 16th November,
1971 regarding Tellicherry-Mysore Rail-
way Line and state whether Government
propose to take up Tellicherry-Mysore
Railway Line in the Fifth Five Year
Plan?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The Survey Reports
of 1960 had shown that this rail link
would be highly unremunerative. Due
to the difficult ways and means position
it is unlikely that this rail link will find
a place in the Fifth Five Year Plan.

Consultations with Kerala Government

regarding the approval of Kabani
Irrigation Project Scheme

2993. SHRI RAMACHANDR\N
KADANNAPPALLI: Will the Minis-
ter of IRRIGATION AND POWER be
pleased to state whether Government of
Kerala had been consulted before ap-
proving the Kabani Irrigation Project
Scheme of Mysore State?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The
Planning Commission approved in 1958
a small sized Kabani Project, which did
not involve any submergence in Kerala.

In July 1970 the Government of
Mysore submitted a revised Kabani Pro-
ject involving submergence of some
areas in Kerala and this was objected
to by the Government of Kerala. In
order to resolve the Cauvery water dis-
pute, a Fact Finding Committee consist-
ing of engineers, a retired judge and an
agricultural expert has been set up to
collect all the connected data pertaining
to Cauvery waters, its utilisation etc.
and making use of the data, discussions
will be held between the Chief Ministers
of Tamil Nadu, Mysore and Kerala to
arrive at an agreed allocation of waters
for the three States.

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SR AVAN A 31 1894 (SAKA) Written An we is

Kabani Irrigation Scheme

2994. SHRll RAMACHANDRAN
KADANNAPPALLl : Will the Minis-
ter of IRRIGATION AND POWER
be pleased to state :

(a) whether thousand of acres of land
with improvements and buildings, will
be submerged under water when the
Kabani Irrigation Scheme is complet-
ed; and

(b) if so, whether Government of
Mysore have been asked to reduce the
full reservoir level of the said Scheme
so that it may not effect the neighbour
State ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
and (b). The Planning Commission ap-
proved in 1958 a small sized Kabani
project which did not involve any sub-
mergence in Kerala.

In July, 1970 the Government of
Mysore sent a revised Kabani project
which involves submergence in Kerala.
The revised project which has not been
approved by the Government of India,
indicates that about 254 acres of cultiv-
able land in Kerala State would be
affected due to backwater effect. The
project was objected to by the Govern-
ment of Kerala. In order to resolve the
Cauvery waters dispute, a Fact Finding
Committee consisting of engineers, a re-
tired judge and an agricultural expert
has been set up to collect all the con-
nected data pertaining to Cauvery
waters, its utilisation etc. and making
use of the data, discussions will be held
between the Chief Ministers of Tamil
Nadu, Mysore and Kerala to arrive at
an agreed allocation of waters for the
three States.

Construction of over-bridge at Jugsalai
Bazar Level Crossing between
Tatanagar and Adityapur
Railway Station

2995. SHRI SWARAN SINGH
SOKHI: Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bihar Government have
given green signal for construction of
over-bridge at Jugsalai Bazar level cross-
ing at Jamshedpur between Tatanagar

and . Adityapur Railway Stations (Cha-
kradharpur Section) (South Eastern
Railway) ; and

(b) if so, when the construction work
will start?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

Sanctioned Strength of Commercial
Clerks, Western Railway

2996. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA-
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 2440
on the llth April, 1972 regarding sanc-
tioned strength of Commercial Clerks,
Western Railway and state :

(a) whether the information has since
been collected;

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes.

(b) A statement is laid on the Table
of the House. | Placed in library. See
No. LT — 3468/72.]

Expenditure on Vigilance Organisation
of Indian Railways

2997. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA-
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 1819
on the 4th April, 1972 regarding expen-
diture on Vigilance Organisation of
Indian. Railways gmd State:

(a) whether the information has
since been collected ;

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes.

(b) and (c). A statement is attached.

43 Written Answer a AUGUST 22, 1972 Written Answers 44

StaUnunt

Total number cases detected
and investigated by the Vigi-
lance Organisation during
! 97 ! *

*5168

Central Railway . . .

438

Eastern Railway . • .

501

Northern Railway

1054

North Eastern Railway •

647

Northeast Frontier Railway •

326

Southern Railway

1150

South Central Railway

206

South Eastern Railway

271

Western Railway .

456

Railway Board
(Vigilance Directoi ate)

1 *9

(b) Number of cases prosecuted
in court of law and found
established or otherwise (as on
Apiil, 1972)

(i) Prosecuted

(ii) Convicted

(iii) Pending trial

NOTE : Actions in the above were taken by G.B.I. against Railway servants — Hence
not included in the cases detected and investigated by the Zonal Rail-
ways.

(i) Cases in which Adminis-
trative action was taken 1528

\ii) Gases in which disciplinary
proceedings were initia-
ted . 1060

(iii; CisesMroppcd after enquiry 2580

(d) Percentage of performance of
cases.

(b) to (a) above

C (i) to (a) • .

C (ii; to (a;

C(iii) to (a) ...

(e) Total expenditure on Vigilance
Organisation during 1971*

(i) Pay ...

(ii) Allowances

Not given in view of the
note under (b)

29 . 57 %

20 .51%

49 . 92 %

Rs. 28,88,090
Rs. 22,47,877

♦Break up zonewise.

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Working condition of Railway
Commercial Clerks

2998, SHftI CHANDRIKA PRA-
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 1393
on the 28th March, 1972 regarding work-
ing conditions of Railway Commercial
Clerks and state :

(a) whether the information has since
been collected ;

(b) if so, the gist thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes.

(b) A statement is attached.

Statement

Information promised in reply to
Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No.
1393 dated 28-3-72 regarding work-
ing conditions of Commercial
Clerks.

What was mentioned in the reply to
Unstarred Question No. 3370 on the
17th March, 1970 was that the yard-
sticks in force in the Commercial De-
partment had beerr reviewed by all Rail-
ways except two. No separate officers
were appointed for this work. The re-
view was conducted by the Chief Com-
mercial Superintendents assisted by their
departmental officials, ft was not neces-
sary to interrogate Station employees
for this purpose. Most Railways did
not take up study of individual stations
though some Railways did so, e.g., the
Central Railway studied stations like
Bombay V.T., Dadar, Kalyan, Poona,
Nasik Road, Badnera, Amraoti, Nagpur,
Chandrapur, Ballarshah etc., utilising
Senior Commercial Inspectors under the
guidance of Divisional Commercial
Superintendents. The conclusion reach-
ed was that no change was necessary in
the existing yardsticks.

The One Man Expert Committee on
Compensation Claims in the report has
made the following recommenda-
tions : —

“246. Railways should keep under
constant review the requirements
of labour and staff in parcel offi-
ces, Luggage Guards or Parcel Deli-
very Clerks on Trains and the
stoppages of passenger, Mail and
Express trains.”

“247. Provision of staff and labour
should not be based on the average
number of parcels handled but
should take full account of the con-
ditions prevailing at the time of
grouping of passenger trains.”

“612. Insufficiency of staff at load-
ing, unloading and transhipment
points is one of the major contri-
butory causes of increase in the
Railways’ Claims bill.”

“613. It is suggested that a quick
survey be made of the utilisation
and sufficiency of staff at all the
larger goods sheds, transipment
sheds, parcel offices and private
sidings and early steps taken to
make such adjustments or addi-
tional appointments as may be
necessary for full compliance with
the rules regarding acceptance,
booking, loading, unloading and
transhipment oi goods and par-
cels.”

The Committee’s recommendations
have been accepted by Government and
instructions issued to the Railways.

Strength of Commercial Clerks in
Booking, Parcel and Goods Offi-
ces, Dhanbad Station (Eastern
Railway)

2999. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA-
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 3962
on the 25th April, 1972 regarding
strength of Commercial Clerks in Book-
ing, Parcel and Goods Offices, Dhanbad
Station (Eastern Railway) and state :

(a) whether the information has
since been collected;

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes.

(b) A statement Is attached.

Statement

Information promised in reply to
Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No.
3962 dated 25-4-72 by Shri Onkar
Lai Berwa.

Question

(a) the total sanctioned cadre strength
of Commercial Clerks in each grade.

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Written Answers

48:

separately in Booking, Parcel and Goods
Offices of DhanbacT’ Station of Eastern
Railway.

Grade

w—

Booking

Office

Parcel

Office

Goods

Office

Rs. 250 — 380

Rs. 205—280

Rs. 150 — 240

Rs. no — 200

In addition to the above, there are 17
posts of Leave Reserve Commercial
Clerks in grade Rs. 110-200 (AS) and
one post of Commercial Supervisor in
grade Rs. 335-425 for Dhanbad Station
as a whole.

Question

(b) the number of Commercial Clerks,
"Permanent and Officiating” in the grade
of Rs. 150-240 posted m Booking and
Parcel Office at the station and the dates
from which the said staff are officiating;

Answer

All the posts of Commercial Clerks in
Rs. 150-240 m both Booking and Par
cel offices of Dhanbad Station have been
filled as a permanent measure and there
is no officiating arrangement against
any of these posts.

Question

A ns wer

As per extant rules officiating pay is
adlmissible to Commercial Clerks in
grade Rs. 110-200 (AS) when officiating
in grade Rs.l 50-240 (AS) against vacan-
cies of over 14 days.

•

Nationalisation of private tea industry
in Assam

3000. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a continuous
demand from public and Labour Orga-
nisations to nationalise the private tea
industry in Assam; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Nationalisation of the private tea indus-
try has been suggested on occasions,
but Government have not felt it neces-
sary to consider at present nationalising
the tea industry.

Problems of Ratlam Division sent by
All India Loco Running Staff Associa-
tion (Western Railway)

3001. SHRI PANNA LAL BARU-
PAL : Will the Minister ot RAILWAYS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether All India Loco Running
Staff Association, Western Railway, had
represented some problems of Ratlam
Division to the Chief Operating Superin-
tendent with copies to all concerned
vide its letters dated the 17th June,
1972 and 26th June, 1972; and

(b) if so, the problems referred to
therein and the action taken by Govern-
ment thereon?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) A memoran-
dum dated the 17th June, 72 addressed
to the Chief Operating Superintendent,
Western Railway, Bombay by this
Association was received. The other
communication dated the 26th June *72
has not been received.

(b) The demands of the Association
as highlighted in the said memorandum
are :

(i) Arrears of pay fixation, staff
working in higher capacities;

(ii) Arrears ot non-payment of cor-
rect mileage allowance to the
Diesel Crews attending BSB Shop
for taking over locomotives;

(iii) Forced overduty hours Irom
staff and harassments and punish-
ments;

(iv) Breach of Rest rules by senduig
calls to the staff much before

completion of headquarter rest;

(v) Breach of Safety rules by book-
ing untrained staff work trains;

(vi) Cadre position of Loco Running
staff;

(vii) Reserved accommodation for the
crew travelling spare;

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(viii) Allotment of Railway Quarters
to Loco Running staff;

(ix) Out-station detention of Loco
Running staff;

(x) Load hauled by Diesel Locomo-
tives between Ratlam & Godhra
Section;

(xi) Provision of Small Sheds for
shelter of Loco Running Staff at
Ratlam;

(xii) Increased Train partings and
Drivers: —

(a) Shortage of material,

(b) Examination of trains,

(d) Out of Course halts,

(e) Improper marshalling of
trains.

Such points are raised from time to
time by recognised labour organisations
and arc generally settled through dis-
cussions in the meetings of the Negotia-
ting Machinery at different levels.

Reservation quota for Scheduled
Castes/Tribes in S.T.C.

3002. SHR1 A. S. KASTURE : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) the staff strength, category -wise
in the State Trading Corporation as on
1st January, 1972 and the number ot
employees belonging to the Scheduled
Castes/Tribes;

(b) whether reservation quota for
Scheduled Castes /Tribes has been main-
tained;

(d) the specific steps Government
proposes to take to fulfil the shortfall?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) A state-
ment is laid on the Table of the House
f Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3469/

(b) There are deficiancies in the
various categories.

(d) Special selections for making up
the shortfalls is being made.

Different rates of payment between
Drivers and other running staff

3003. SHRI PRAVEENSINH SOLA-
NKI : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS
be pleased to refer to the reply given
to Unstarred Question No. 2443 on the
1 1th April, 1972 regarding payment of
running allowance and state the reasons
for different rates of payment of com-
pensatory allowance to Drivers ‘A’, ‘IT
and ‘C* classes and other running staff
when there was no difference previous-
ly?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : Even earlier the
rates were different in certain cases. A
simplified procedure of payment ex-
pressing the compensatory allowance in
terms of kilometrage value was introduc-
ed in 1967. Since the rates of kilo-
metrage payments for different cate-
gories of running staff vary, the com-
pensatory allowances also vary. Such
variation is also logical inasmuch as
the out-of-pocket expenses to staff are
also paid at different rates for differing
slabs of pay.

Parties to whom goods and coal handl-
ing Contracts in Assam region of North-
east Frontier Railway were given

3004. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased
to state :

(a) the names of the parties to whom
goods and coal handling contracts of
North-east Frontier Railway in Assam
region have been given during 1970-71
and 1971-72;

(b) how many Labour Co-operatives
had applied for handling contracts dur-
ing the above period and were given
licences; and*

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) The names

are given below : —

Goods and Parcel Handling contract :

1. M/s Gauhati Mazdoor Coopera-
tive Society Ltd.

51 Written Answers AUGUST 22, 1972 Written Answers 52

Coed handling contract:

2. M/s. Kanrtip Labour Coopera-
tive Society

3. Shri S. R. Ghosh

4. Shrimati Sudaf&a Devi

5. Shri Abdul Malik Chowdhury

6. Shri Sitaram Agarwala

7. Shri Utpai Kumar Ghosh

(b) The information is being collect-
ed and will be placed on the Table of
the Sabha.

Shortage of power in Assam

3005. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Power shortage in
Assam is likely to hamper to a great
extent the rural electrification program-
me in Assam in the Fifth Five Year
Plan; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Gov-
ernment in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
With the completion of all the power
generation schemes aggregating to 440
MW proposed for the Fifth Five Year
Plan, the requirements of rural electri-
fication and others in Assam, Meghalaya
and Mizoram region are expected to
be fully met.

(b) Does not arise.

Medium Irrigation Schemes in Assam

3006. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state :

(a) the number of schemes complet-
ed under Medium Irrigation Schemes
hi Assam during # the last three years;

(b) the number of ni^ium irriga-
tion schemes for Assam approved for
the remaining period of the Fourth
Five Year Plan; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
The Jamuna and Patradisha medium
schemes have been completed. Work

is continuing on the Sukla and Harguti
medium projects.

(b) and (c). The following two me-
dium schemes have been approved so
far in the Fourth Plan :

(i) Lift irrigation scheme from Brah-
maputra river in Kaliabore circle
of Nowgong district

(li) Longa scheme.

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Railway Experts Visiting Foreign
Countries to study the Working of
Underground Railways

3008. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the
Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to
state the composition of the team of
experts from India which 19 visiting
foreign countries in order to acquire
know-how about the construction and
running of Underground Railwav
in Calcutta and the countries to be visi-
ted by the team?

Written Answers

SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers

niuiitYiuR v/r RAILWAYS
{SHRI T. A. PAI): Composition of the
expert team and countries visited in
June /July 72 is as under

A- Composition of the Team

1. Leader — Chief Administrative

Officer.

2 . Member — Chief Electrical

Engineer.

3. ,, — Chief Engineer.

4. ,, — Director, Finance.

5 „ — Dy. Chief Operating

Supdt.

6. Dy. Chief Signal &

Telecommunication

Engineer.

7. ,, — Dy. Chief Engineer.

B. Countries visited.

1 . U.S.S.R.

2. Sweden.

3 . U. K.

4. France.

5. Germany.

6. Hungary.

7 . Japan.

Central Control on River Waters

3009. SHRI C. K CHANDRA-
PPAN : Will the Minister of 1 RRIGA-
I ION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to
bring river waters under Central Con-
trol from August, 15 this year;

(b) if so, the main features thereof,
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
to (c). As a result of increasing use
of water resources of the country and
the programmes of larger utilisation in
the future, the need has been recognis-
ed for evQlving a national water policy
so as to ensure a continuous appraisal
of the needs for water and the most
beneficial and equitable allocation of
available water for different uses in the
interest of the Country as a whole. The

various aspects involved in framing a
national water policy including the legal
considerations are under study.

Extension of common market and Its
effect on India’s Trade

3010. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:
SHRI P. GANGADEB:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether on 8 th June, 1972 the
Common Market took another step to
extend its free trade and preference
area to the likely disadvantage of non-
linked countries including India, at
Luxemburg; and

(b) if so. Government's reaction
thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (h).
In the EEC Council meeting in Luxem-
bourg which ended on 6 th June, 1972 r
EEC’s relations with Mediterranean
and non-candidate European Free Trade
Area countries were discussed.

It is understood that the negotiations
are still under way between the EEC
and a number of Mediterranean
countries for the modification of the
existing agreements with them taking
into account the implications of the
enlargement of the EEC from Six to
Ten members. In so far as the non-
candidalc EFT A countries are concern-
ed, free trade area arrangements bet-
ween them and EEC have already been
agreed to.

These developments re-emphasise the
need for urgent solutions to our trade
problems with the Six as well as the
problems arising for us from the en-
largement of the Community. The
matter is being pursued in this regard.

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Report of construction Plant
and Machinery Committee

3012. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Construction Plant
and Machinery Committee set up to

review and update the report of the
First Committee has submitted its Re-
port;

(b) if so, the action taken on the re-
commendations made in this Report;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) The report of the committee has
been received recently and is under exa-
mination. It will take some time be-
fore final decisions could be taken.

(c) A statement indicating the actions
taken is laid on the Table of the House
f Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3470/
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SRAVANA 31, 1894 ( SAKA )

Written Answers

Action against Shri R. P. Goenka

for tilesnl rale of raw Materials of
M/s Asian Cables

3014. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FORE-
IGN TRAPE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are not tak-
ing legal action against Shri R. P.
Goenka while other Directors of Asian
Cables are going to be prosecuted m
the case arising out of illegal sale of
raw materials obtained by the Com-
pany under the Actual Users' Licence;
and

(b) if so, the reasons for excepting
Shri Goenka?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
<SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) There are
three cases against Asian Cables. In
one case prosecution is being filed
against all the Directors of the Com-
pany, as recommended by the CBI
The CBI reports in the other two cases
are under examination of the CCI&E in
consultation with CBI.

(b) Does not arise

Curb on Import of Foreign Films

3015 SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR
Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state.

(a) the total amount spent during the
year 1970-71, 1971-72 and upto the 31st
July, 1972 on the import of foreign
films;

(b) whether it has now been decid-
ed to curb the import of foreign films:
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The in-
formation is as follows : —

Value in Rs • lakhs

1970—71 1971—72
(upto ^

Cinomatorgaphic films
exposed (where de-
veloped or not) 36-68 23*83

‘Figures beyond January 1972 are

(b) No, Sir. Import of feature films
has been canalised through the State
Trading Corporation.

Spending of six lakh rupees by

Government on Rajkot bye~eiectiott

3016. SHRI LALJI BHAI: Will the
Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be
pleased to state whether about six lakh
rupees were spent by Government oil
the recent Rajkot bye-election for Lok
Sabha?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND
JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH
CHAUDHARY): The information is
being collected and will be placed on
the Table of the House.

Setting up of Rubber Factory in
Tripura

3017. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether any scheme has been
formulated by Government of Tripura
to start a rubber factory there; and

(b) if so, whether it will be in Private
Sector or in Public Sector?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b).

Information is being collected and will
be placed on the Table of the House.

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“Chiken” industry in India

3019. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) the number of persons engaged
in ‘Chiken’ industry in the country.
State-wise; and

(b) the total amount of foreign ex-
change earned by this industry annual-
ly and the encouragement given to this
industry by Government?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The
chiken industry is mostly located in Jind
around Lucknow and Hardoi Districts
of Uttar Pradesh. About 10,000 per-
sons are engaged in this industry.

(b) Separate figures of exports of
chiken products are not available. Ex-
port figures of embroidered goods
which includes chiken products for
the last six years are as follows: —

Year

(Rs. in
lakhs)

1 966-67

39-09

1967-68

46.65

1968-69

• 54-73

1969-70

61.85

1970-71

- 85.45

*971-72

. 83.68

(April— January 1971-72)

The following steps are being taken
to encourage chiken industry to popu-
larise its products in foreign markets: —

(i) The Handicrafts & Handlooras
Exports Corporation has been
doing special promotion of
chiken embroidered products
in foreign markets specially
through SONA shops in New
York and Paris.

(ii) Private exporters are being
encouraged to introduce these
products in foreign markets.

(iii) Chiken embroidered products
have been included in “India
Items” for exports to U.S.A.
for which there is no quota res-
triction; and

(iv) Sales-cwm-study teams are sent
abroad for promotion of handi-
crafts items including chiken
embroidered products.

Award for best craftsman in
“Chiken'’ (Silk) Industry

3020. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have award-
ed the best craftsmen in the “Chiken’’
(Silk) industry to give encouragement to
this industry;

(b) if so, the names of the persons:
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

S.T.C. owned wig manufacturing
Unit running in loss

3021. SHRI VEKARIA: Will the
Minister of FOREIGN TRADF be
pleased to state :

(a) whether State Trading Corpora-
tion-owned wig manufacturing unit has
gone into loss;

(b) whether it has diversified its pro-
ducts; and

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Written Answers

SRAVANA 3l t 1894 {SAKA) Written Answer*.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

ministry of foreign trade

(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b).

Yea, Sir.

(c) The Wig India factory has gone
into the production of artificial eye-
lashes and footwear upper parts for ex-
port, especially of a decorative variety.

It is also proposed to set up a leather
development unit with a view to utilising
fully existing facilities.

Fixing of floor prices for Hamfloom
exports

3022. SHRI R. V. BADE: Will the
Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are intend-
ing to fix floor prices for Handloom ex-
ports; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Films exported to Bangladesh

3023. SHRI R. N. BARMAN: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) the number of Bengali Films and
Hindi films so far exported to Bangla-
desh;

(b) whether Government have so far
made any assessment of the demand of
Indian films in Bengali in Bangladesh;

and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). No
Indian films have so far been exported
to Bangladesh. The Trade Agreement
between India and Bangladesh provides
for exports of cinema films of the value
of Rs. 15 lakhs to Bangladesh and for
the import upto Rs. 15 lakhs of cinema
films from Bangladesh. It has been ag-
reed between the two Governments
that trade in Cinema, films would be
handled by the Indian Motion Pictures
Export- Corporation and the Film Deve-
lopment Corporation of Bangladesh.
The two agencies are in touch with
each other to settle arrangements for
the trade in films.

3—11 L.SS/72

Wagon Shortage for Coal and
Coke trades in Bombay Region

3024. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU:
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Coal and Coke trade in
Bombay region has been seriously hit
by the shortage of Railway wagon; and

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide
adequate number of wagons to the
trade?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T A. PA1) : (a) and (b). There

have been some complaints about the in-
adequate supply ot wagons for move-
ment of coal and coke to Bombay area.
However, the movement of coal to Bom-
bay region has been substantially more
in the first six months of 1972 as com-
pared to the corresponding period of last
year and movement of coke has been
kept at about the same level as m the
previous year. Efforts are being made
to improve the loading further.

Strike by Cashew Workers in Kerala

3025. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether thcie was a State-wide
strike in Kerala of Cashew workers in
the month of June this year;

(b) if so, what were the demands put
forward by them; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c) The main demands of the
striking workers related to payment of
minimum rates of wages and D. A., issue
of attendance cards and prowcdiucs for
wcighmpnt. The jstrike was called off
with the employers undertaking to pay
agreed rates of wages and Dearness Al-
lowance; issue attendance cards, and
making weighment daily in accordance
with the agreed procedures.

Export of Iron Ore to Japan

3026. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL

REDDY :

SHRI RAM PRAKASH:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

6 3

Written Answern

AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answers 64

(a) whether Japan has agreed to im-
port a good quantity of Iron-Ore from
India;

(b) if so, the quantity to be exported
to Japan during 1972-73; and

(c) the total quantity of Indian Iron-
Ore exported to different countries dur-
ing last three years, country-wise and the
quantum of foreign exchange earned
therefrom?

Punjab State during each year from 1st
November, 1966 to-date;

(b) the number of Sub-Divisional
Officers proposed to be sent back to
Punjab State during th e year 1972; and

(c) whether a copy of the principle
guidelines being followed by the Central
Government in sending back officers
back to Punjab State, will be laid on the
Table of the House ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) 18.63 million tons are expected to
be shipped during 1972-73.

C.B.I. Inquiry against Companies

regarding Blackmarkeling of Im-
ported Copper and Polyethylene

3027. SHRI C. K. CHANDR APPAN ■
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether some companies, includ-
ing Indian Power Cables, Universal
Cables, Oriental Cables etc. have been
ordered to be prosecuted by the Central
Bureau of Investigation for doing black-
marketing in imported copper and poly-
ethylene; and

(b) if so, the results of the prosecu-
tion?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Universal
Cables and Oriental Power Cables and
some other Companies are being prose-
cuted in a court of law. The cases of
Indian Cables Co. and some others are
still under consideration, and case against
one is still under investigation.

(b) Cases put in court are still under
trial.

Names of the Sub-Divisional
Officers transferred from
Beas Dam

3028. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYA-
LANKAR: Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state:

(a) the number of Sub-Divisional
Officers transferred from Beas Project to

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N KUREEL): (a)
The number of Sub-Divisional Officers
transfered from Beas Project lo Punjab
Slate from 1-L 1-1966 is given below,

yearwise: —

1966-67

1967-68

1968-69

1969-70

1970-71

(b) The Punjab Government has ask-
ed lor a list of Sub-Divisional Officers
who have completed 5 years service on
the Pioiect and were desirous to go back.
A list of 40 officers has accordingly
been prepared. They could be released
provided suitable substitutes in their
place are provided by the Punjab Gov-
ernment.

(c) The repatriation of officers from
the Project to the State Governments is
generally done at the request of the con-
cerned State Government/ Electricity
Board with the approval of the Central
Government. Request of individual offi-
cers for repatriation is also done with
the concurrence of the State Department
and approval of the Central Govern-
ment.

Electrification of one Harijan
Basti everyday

3029. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYA-
LANKAR: Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state;

(a) whether it is proposed to electrify
at least one Harijan Basti everyday dur-
ing the 25th anniversary year of India’s
Independence in the Union territories;
and

(b) whether Chandigarh Administra-
tion has formulated any plan in respect
of Harijan Bastis, if so, the salient fea-
tures thereof ?

Written Answers

SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SARA) Written Answers ^

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

ministry of irrigation and

POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
All the State Government/ Union Terri-
tory Administrations have been address-
ed to draw up a programme of electrify-
ing Harijan Bastis adjacent to villages Al-
ready electrified at the rate of at-least
one village a day during the Silver Jubi-
lee year of India’s Independence.

(b) Chandigarh has already achiev-
ed cent per cent electrification. There is
no area exclusively inhabited by Hari-
jans in this Union Territory,

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Procurement Price of Cotton In
Punjab

3031. SHRI ARVIND NETAM ’ Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Punjab Government have
requested the Cotton Corporation of
India to fix the procurement price for
ihe next cotton crop ; and

(b) if so the reaction of th e Como-

ration thereto? ™

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Cotton
Corporation has not received any such
request.

(b) Does not arise.

Financial Assistance for Rubber
Cultivation in Kerala

3032. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Kerala Government have
requested the Centre for any financial
assistance ior the cpltivation of rubber
by the Plantation Corporation of Kerala;
and

(b) if so. the extent thereof and the
reaction of Central Government thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Central assistance of Rs. 4.50 crores to
the State Government of Kerala for tak-
ing up rubber plantation of 15,000 acres
during the Third Plan period has already

Written An$wtn

AUlGfUSt 22, 1972

tVriffeh Answers 68

been released. Thi question of giving
additional financial distance to the State
Government during the Fourth Five
Year Plan is under consideration.

Corrupt Practice in Purchase of
Cotton In Gujarat

3033. SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether complaints have been re-
ceived against corrupt practices em-
ployed by some of the nominees of the
Cotton Corporation of India ior pur-
chase ol coiton in Gujarat ; ana

(b) the action taken by Government
on tnc complaints and the names ot no-
minees against whom action has been
taken ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Docs not arise.

Implementations of Bhaguwan-

tham Committee's Recommendations

3034. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH
RAO:

SHRI SUKHDLO PRASAD
VERMA:

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to stale:

(a) whether Bhagawantham Com-
mittee’s recommendations which have
already been accepted by Government
have not been implemented so tar and
consequently the Engineers of the Cen-
tral Water and Power Commission de-
monstrated beiore the office of the Irri-
gation and Power Minister on 19th July,
1972;

(b) whether some Engineers of Cen-

tral Water and Power Commission have
left this Organisation as a result theie-
of; and *

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
and (c). Representatives of the Central
Water and Power Commission (Class I)
Engineers Association met the Union
Minister of Irrigation and Power on
19-7-1972 in connection with the recom-
mendations of the Bhagawantham Com-

mittee pertaining to their service condi-
tions and career prospects such as up-
g f, nd?tfon of certain posts benefits of Es-
tablished Services, introduction of run-
ning scales of pay etc. Although, these
maticrs arc being further considered by
this Ministry, it may be necessary to
a* ait the recommendations of the Third
Pay Commission and Government deci-
sions thereon,

(b) No.

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Recommendations of Indian Silk Dele-
gation of 1971

3037. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have receiv-
ed some recommendations from the In-
dian Silk Delegation of 1971 ; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof
and the recommendations accepted by
Government?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes. Sir.

(b) A statement is enclosed.

Statement

The Salient recommendation of the
Indian Silk Delegation and Government’s
decision on them are given below:—

71 Written Answer*

AUGUST 22, 1772

Written An were

Recommendations

Government’s decision

\ 0 The Central Silk Board should be
provided with necessary organisa-
tion ana resources for ensuring co-
ordinated planning and develop-
ment of silk exports on sound
and stable basis.

1 2) A comprehensive publicity drive
should be undertaken for projecting
the image of Indian silk in the
world markets.

(gl The Board should organise show-
rooms and overseas offices exclusively
for Indian silk goods in important
markets.

D v ersification of export items in-
cluding export of raw silk and silk
yarn-

(5l Additional assistance against export
of tasar and tasar mixed good*.

V®) Sustained efforts should be made for
imporving the quality of Indian raw
silk and reducing its cost of proauc-
tion.

(7) Effective steps should be taken to
increase production of tasar cocoons
on oak plantation.

This has not been accepted because
Handloom Export Promotion Council'*

is already handing export o* silk
fabiica.

Accepted.

It has been accepted in principle that
the Central Silk Board and Hand-
loom Export Promotion Council
should jointly organise showroom*
abroad.

Under Qonsideiatiori-

Accepted-

Accepted

Accepted.

Demand for “Cliiken” Embroidery
Product

3038. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN:
Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a good demand
all over the world for ''chiken” em-
broidered products, such as kurta and
saris; and

(b) if so, the efforts of Government
to popularise them in more countries?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The following steps are being
taken to popularise chiken embroider-
ed products in foreign countries.

(i) The Handicrafts & Handlooms
Exports Corporation has been
doing special promotion of chi-
ken embroidered products in
foreign markets specially throu-
gh SONA shops in New York
and Pans ;

(ii) Private exporters are being en-
couraged to introduce these pro-
ducts in foreign markets ;

(iii) Chiken embroidered products

have been included in “India
Items’* for exports to U.S.A. for
which there is no quota restric-
tion ; and

(iv) Sales-cum-study teams are sent
abroad for promotion of handi-
craft items including chiken akn-
brotdeeed product

Written Antwers

SRAVANA 31, 1894 {SAKA) Written Antwert T4

NattosaUmtioB of Textile MBs

3039. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government of Maha-
rashtra have asked the Central Govern-
ment to nationalise the textile mills that
are presently being run by the State
Governments ;

(b) if so, the number of such mills
and whether these are running at profit;
aad

(c) whether the Central Govern-
ment have considered the proposal of
the State Government and if so, the
decision taken in this regard ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (d).
The information is being collected and
would be placed on the table of the
House.

Manufacture of Silk la Sooth

3042. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA-
RIEF: Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to s'ate the varie-
ties of silk manufactured in Southern
India ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : Sarees, scar-
ves/ stoles, dress materials including
brocades, chiffon, georgette, etc. and
furnishing fabrics are the popular varie-
ties manufactured in Southern India.

Powerloom Inquiry Committee

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Expansion of Election Commission

3040. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI-
SHRA : Will the Minister of LAW
AND JUSTICE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are con-
templating to expand the Election
Commission ; and

(b) if so, the size of the expanded
Commission ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU-
DHARY) ; (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Export of Woollen Cloth

3041. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) the number and names of wool-
len mills in India which are exporting
woollen cloth ;

(b) the names of the countries to
whom the woollen cloth is exported ;

and

(d) the foreign exchange earned?

3043. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERM A: Will the Minister of FO-
REIGN TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Powerloom Inquiry
Committee has since submitted its re-
port ; and

Xb) if so, the main recommenda-
tions thereof and Government’s reac-
tion thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Presumably, the reference is to the
Working Gioup set up, under the chair-
manship of the Textile Commissioner,
on the 24th of July, 1972, to make a
quick assessment of the immediate pro-
blems faced by the powerloom and
handloom weavers i,n the various States
and ^uggc:t measures for 'he smooth
functioning of the two sectors. The
Working Group is expected to submit
its report by the end of October, 1972.

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AUQUST 22, 1972

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Setting up of Rayon Factory in Cachar

3046. SHRIMAT1 JYOTSNA CHA-
NDA: Will the Minister of FO-
REIGN TRADE be pleased to state
whether Government propose to estab-
lish a Rayon Factory in Cachar in view
of the raw materials being easily avail-
able in that region?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : No. Sir.

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Run-off-Mine Manganese Ore Trading
by MMTC

3048. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK: Will the Minister of FOR-
EIGN TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a proposal for
Minerals and Meials Trading Corpora-
tion to enter into run-off-mme manga-
nese ore trading ; and

(b) if so. the advantages thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.
MMTC propose to buy manganese ore
directly from the mine-owners in ac-
ceptable forms and blend it. if neces-
sary, before exports.

(b) The proposed arrangement aims
at establishing direct relationship bet-
ween MMTC and mine owners thereby
imparting stability to the mining indus-
try and increase production of manga-
nese ore.

Repair of Tecsta Bridge

3049. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW-
DHURY: Will the Minister of RAILr
WAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Indian Engineers have
repaired the Teesta Bridge, which was
destroyed by the retreating Pakistani
forces and have reopened it to traffic ;
and

(b) if so, the cost at which the
bridge was got repaired?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes.

(b) Rs. 15.85 lakhs approximately,

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Indian Delegation to Japan and Hong-
kong to pursuade the Toy Manufac-
turers for shifting of industries to India

3052. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be please to state:

(a) whether the India Investment
Centre recently sponsored a delegation
to Japan, Hongkong and Singapore in
order to pursuade toy manufacturers of
these countries to shift their units to
India where wages are lower ;

(b) if so, whether Government’s
approval was sought and obtained for
sending such a mission;

(d) the reaction of indigenous toy
manufacturers to this move?

w THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (d).

||94 (SAKA) Written Answers 7®

Indian Investment Centre were contra-
cted to undertake a Study of India’s ex-
pprt potential pf toys and decorations,
and with the approval of Government
of India a survey team was deputed
to Japan, Hongkpng and Singapore
with the purpose of studying the con-
ditions and pin-pointing the major fac-
tors that enabled these countries to em-
erge as leading toy manufacturers.
The team was neither empowered to
nor did it negotiate with toy manufac-
turers regarding shifting their units to
India ; the team was a fact finding re-
search mission. Its preliminary findings
have been made known to the Indian
Toy Manufacturers Association who
are evincing keen interest in exploring
possibilities to enter the international
trade.

Guarantee for Investments in Joint
Venture Abroad

3053. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP-
PAN : Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have pre-
pared a foreign investment guarantee
scheme for underwriting risk in setting
up joint ventures abroad; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir,

(b) Does not arise.

Liberalisation of Policy for Investments
in Asian Countries

3054. SHRI K.i BALADHANDA-
YUTHAM :

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have deci-
ded to liberalise policy towards Indian
Investments in Asian countries; and

(b) if so, in what way the policy is
to be liberalised ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b).
The Government encourages Indian en-
trepreneurs in setting up industrial joint
ventures in all the countries. The policy
of the Government in this regard is

T# W r it ten Answers

AUGUST 22, 19 72

Written Answers tO>

embodied in the genaral guidelines pres-
cribed for setting up such ventures
abroad, a statement w which is enclos-
ed.

Statement

GENERAL GUIDELINES GOVERN-
ING INDIAN PARTICIPATION IN
JOINT OVERSEAS INDUSTRIAL
VENTURES

(i) Normally minority participation
only by Indian parties is allowed. The
intention is that Indian parties should
not insist on majority holdings abroad,
but if the foreign party and the foreign
Government are willing to accept majo-
rity Indian participation, there would
be no objection. Government favours as-
sociation of local parties in foreign
countries; also local development banks,
financial institutions and local Govern-
ments wherever feasible.

(ii) No cash remittance will be allo-
wed except small amount required in
connection with preliminary expenses
for setting up the Company abroad.

(iii) ’ Indian participation, should be
in the form of indigenous machinery,
equipment, technical know-how etc. re-
quired for the new venture. Value of
■tructurals, steel items, construction
materials, components etc., are not al-
lowed to be capitalised. However,
where the value of machinery etc. falls
short to make up the necessary reaso-
nable equity and there is need to retain
Indian equity holding at a level higher
than what is obtainable through export
of capital goods alone, there will be no
bar to consider such cases on merits
for permission to include structural^
steel items and construction materials
(but not components), to the extent these
are required for the particular project
against Indian equity.

(iv) Machinery etc. exported should
be of Indian make; no second-hand or
reconditioned machinery would be al-
lowed for export against Indian invest-
ment.

(v) Normal import replenishments, as
available to exporters under the import
policy for registered exporters, will be
allowed on exports against equity capi-
taL

(vi) Cash assistance, if otherwise ad-
missible, will also be allowed on ex-
ports of machinery and equipment aga-
inst Indian equity subject, however, to
a ceiling of 10% f. o. b. value.

(vii) Indian industrialists should as
far as practicable propose a tum-key
job, as this will lighten the responsibili-
ties of the foreign investor.

(viii) Indian parties should as far as
possible provide in their agreements
with the foreign parties for training fa-
cilities in India to nationals of the cou-
ntry of investment.

3055* TTo HVET STCTT? : WT ton
nn'TTT aaV a*> STcTT* nV f^T fa :

(sp) EfifT SccTT TOTT % aW

Wcfl spT sfvtf % fa*f a*T
% 3TW 'TW % a^Tat *PT fa^na %
farr ^ aft nfa aft

(^) afc ?T, 5 ff W if

SR'T arnfaTlft atf faaR | ?

ton ®anrre aaraa a aaaat
afto nrn) : (n) 3 ftT \a) fff aaa if
aifa awiT a aftf aafra arn
aft f 3 fT | i far a> arafa aaa <tht %
fa% if aana-afran * nr PTTfaT
qrr a^a'ia ara afa ^ faarTiala

3)gr aT -3-n sfa % fan- aaaaa anra
Tfan aranf °ft ^‘aara aafa 3* faa asar-
afe aai aftafafa atfan faa i

a&a a^n a naia % a?af a fartas

3056. aft ant am affna : w ton

wnaiT aaV a^ aaft aft int fa :

(ar) aaT aranr aft aar | fa asa
a&r if anrra % asaft if toras anf t ;

(n) afe ft, at aa 1971 % afa
% a^ft Jf spaia % n?af aft jaar ir 1972
% afa a?ftft if naia % a?a faaft ?anTf*fa

II Written Answers SRAVANA 31

(*) *mr 9 %ir ft an j?r ftRHi
^PTUTT $ aft* i£F*ff if f»RT^r % T pOTU T-
fiwnff *V $*r fa^rftr aTfaar jpf*
?W) aftr wr an*«r f'; aft*

(*) a?a «rc aft a?*ft ^T 5 fr farfft .
arrft % ftrf gran* % a*rr anagrft aft

Wff f| TWfT mmra if saftft («ft q 0

wnf) : far) aft ft I

(*0 a*a gftar Jr, 1972 if ^

^ aftam aftas - ararg % ^a it or^nra 214
*f<r Fra*^ *f) ^aafar irra 1971 if
*? 220*0 gfa faajsr «ft 1

Ot) aft* (g) a*a aftar if
’ft^nr ft cft*r* araarfas- *f 3 *nsa <Tana
6 Wf** af5 | I SWa aToff aft aiaT!*)
^•TcT ^nrf^TtT ar*lft % fgrtr fqqq jr

w *rr % ana an*) Bf*T STITT g*aL

fatf fafire aft gat *<; ftg if *f art anna

^n*a <**laTf*nf ar^ I qsar gfcai if

^T't at aarfrra *f % fair f^rff^r aftna,
^Ti?T ft TT if, 220 *0 gfa ffta*a «Tf I
fa**? if, TlTd gi*ft aft cTPT^lff rifl'd'
fcft ^ f^'T *ran g*an* Jr a ana ar*ft
ftnrra n^frnft *rf*rf*raft aft grpa geg
if =a*k.f*ar aft | 1

faftsft amraf aft g*an* *gm wag
arfsrgrr* h am

3057 . «ft fHtng JTSTR :

«ft fJHo JTrft :

W’rr firtor asnar* jf^V ff ggrft aft' fr<rr

atfg far :

(v) wr *r*an* % frrr*i*fta fatgft
*nrtff aft sraft aifggn* if %ft gagfma
*ftt JR?rnr |; aft*

(v) arf? 5 f,at?aaftg*ggTa w( ?

, 1894 (SAXA) Written Amswers 82 '

Whr wmm: *fcmw w weft («ftq*
aft® ami) : (a?) aft* {*r).*nra a*atf*
sm gr*a f*aa fa%# smrfnf aft arfaan*
iffaniarTftarftaftfsmanRTaT^t i mrrfa,
f*mr fa^ifV

aft arfsrarn: if %ft % f?rar ^**r ^rranr ft
srrer ar«rrftsir an inra antft fa’anTTsfya'

t (

*m* mar afraftaRi if afaama

3058 . «ft HJRTTf TOR : *fT fmnt

aft* f*aaa iraft nf antft aft- far a^T far :

far) anr n*an* srRrtffta armr ^rm*
afarfrai^i'aft if arfcTHT afwa anft %
farftl fl*cTPT a* fan* ar* *ft | ;

(*r) aar g*an* rftfa^if % mfta
aaala if sar-afTfiamr % afftV aft
sfaf aft 35^r ar^ft % farftf arrra a* ift
farr* ar* *ft | <rrfar aft* aftrar w’a aft
arft arr ?r% ; aft*

(a) afa fr, at cmra«ft aaa-^aa aTa
aar a* aft* ^a% ft aar ftraa fara aa

i ?

fftarf aft* fftaTO ftaraa ft saftft ( ftt
aaram f*t^) : far) aftai a*arr* ft
tjfq *ri' faarraKaar fttararaff ft arrfaa
ar*ft ft. fftrr zftwrr arrifta fr*r *aff fa
ft farr ftta aa) a* aanra* afaftt-sRi arr
SR-rTia’TaT t i •

; 3 «r* aftar ar*arr* ara 1 ft foR 3 *-
*>n ar*ftf 3trf | far ftratj* fnft ft
aiarrar atfegr asr*)' ftftf aft Fa^rf
ft fatr aaara* afafttarar gig*

| aft* gs a srfcr ^r*an* n*r a*arfaa
awn* afaftfaRT an fta ft ft) f?r^rf
aft saa*ar a*ft ft ftrq ftafttn faar arrar 1
^rf?r? i

Written Answers

AUGUST 21, 1972

Written Answers $4

faffr *rc^rr * #fcr *v*ix sm
JKcTi'farT q^WPTC qf(?ftiHTT % sfa fW«T
sr«re fw | p3fg% aM?r ^ ^

spT 3i'tr w 1%* Jr t simefa ^tt

fffalfa'T | ^ if? fadsr ^ VTETiT *R
ftvtrr *rcr | far w^r sfcr ^ 3 t1t
f^ir if, 5i?r fa ^rrt fterfrr ir f\
5PT SHTf 3TT?Ti t, ^ fWf srorrsf'i' qr
\v spik qfqr i qfrqlnHT qi
Twff % gr«r fa^R fawsr fnrtrr tct |
sftr ^ snre -nrt v. fvnT sp^
fqrcr 5TT i ^ft fa tffaf TWff qft ht^t
^f I

(^) aftr (>t) qfaffa;rT faftj if
sr^rrfwcr ^ ^cr qff «r?w st^pt
faqnrgtq ^rfr 1 1

Restrictions on Export of Rose-wood

3059. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have impo-
sed any restrictions on export of Rose-
wood;

(b) if so, the reasons, 'therefor, and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): ta) Yes, Sir.

(b) Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) is
a slow growing species. The export is
regulated within a limited ceiling fixed
for each year so as to prevent depletion
and ultimate extinction of this species
keeping in view also the growing do-
mestic demand of the veneering and
plywood industries.

Special Railway Saloons used by
Governors

3060. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to refer to the reply given to
Unstarred Question No. 1273 on the
28th March, 1972 regarding the special
Railway saloons for Governors and
state the number of occasions (date-
wise) when the special Railway Saloons
were used by the concerned Governors
during the years 1969, 1970 and 1971 ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : A statement is
laid on the table.

Statement

Name of Governor

Occasions of utilisation of saloons

(aatewise)

1969

1970

1971

No. of Dates

occa-
sions

No. of Dates

occa-
sions

No. of Dates
occa-
sions

Governor of Madhya

2,/l>I3/2>
27/2.31/5. 1 8 /

8 2 / 2 , 12/a, , 4 /
4 , 7 / 7 , I 2 /II,

11 9 / 1 . 7 / 3 . 20 / 3 ,

Pradesh.

10 / 4 , , 3 / 6 ,

I& 9 /l 2 .

18 / 11 , 17 /
ii Sc 94 / 12 .

15 / 7 . «9/8,
24/9. 23 / 10 ,
21/11 ,& 26/12

Governor of West
Bengal.

4/9 & , 7/11

6 6 / 2 , 30 / 5 , 7 / 6 ,
17 / 6 . 19/6 &

7 / 10 .

2 28/7 & i8/3.

Governor of Orissa

19/6 & 28/9

4 16 / 5 , 16 / 6 , 19 / 7 ,
& , 5 / 11 .

a 12/4 & 21 / 9 .

g5 Written Answers SRAVANA 31, 1854 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

Popidtttefkm of "HoUday Homes"

3061. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :
Will ihe Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to refer to the reply given to
Unstarrcd Question No. 6358 on 16*h
May, 1972 regarding the procedure for
allotment of accommodation in Holi-
day Homes for Railway Employees and
state :

(a) the number of suites in each
Holiday Home;

(br) number of maximum days for
which suites are given to Railway Em-
ployees and other Central Government
employees;

(c> whether Railway Employees are
making full use of the Holiday Homes;
and

(d) if not, the steps being taken to
popularise the Holiday Homes ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). A state-
ment is attached.

(d) Does not arise.

Statement

No. of

SI.

No.

Hoiulav Home .it

suites
in each
Holiday
Home

No. of Maximum days

fer which suites nre oivou to
Railway cmolnvcvs and
other Central Cover inner, t
employees*

Lon aval a ....

• 4

7 days

MiUiCMTI ....

14 Rooms

7 days

Igatpuri ....

[5 days

Puri (Eastern Rly.)

7 nays

Baidyanalh Dhein

10 days p2i davj-off season)

Rajgir

8 days

(21 days-ofT season).

Mu'Soric (Hastcm Rly).

15 (lavs in May &: June — other-
wise' 21 days.

Simla .....

• 15

10 days

Mu^orie (Northern Railway)

jo nays

Baiog .....

10 clays

Siinarpir ....

10 days

Pnlialgam ....

10 days

Shilnng ....

3 days

Madurai ....

5 #

10 days

Courtallam ....

to days

Mysore ....

10 days

Coonoor ...

10 days

Ranchi ....

. 18

30 days

Puri (S. E. Rly ) .

7 days

Bandra ....

. 10

15 days

* Accommodation in these Holiday Homes are made available to other Centra!
Government employees, if accommodation is available after meeting the requiiements
of the Railway employees.

“87

Written Answers

AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answers 88

Hurd Engineering Swpvey in Madhya
Pradesh

3062. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Rural Engineering
Survey has conducted surveys in some
Districts of Madhya Pradesh; and

(b) if so, the names of the Districts
and the results of the surveys ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) :
(a) and (b). The Government of Ma-
dhya Pradeh have sanctioned the scheme
for Rural Engineering Surveys in March,
1972. The Survey are proposed to be
conducted in the district of Betul. The
expenditure on the scheme will be met
from cent per cent assistance from the
Central Government. A grant-in-aid
of Rs. 6,19,000 has already been, sanc-
tioned for the years 1971-72 and 1972-
73.

The Agricultural Graduates have al-
ready been trained for conducting sur-
veys. The Engineering Graduates are
under training at Betul and the training
is likely to be over shortly.

The surveys will be taken up as soon
as the training of Engineering Gradu-
ates is completed.

Restoration of Railway Connection bet-
ween Sahebpur Kama! Jn. and Monghyr
Ghat (North Eastern Railway)

3063. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :

SHRI SHIV SHANKER PRA-
SAD YADAV :

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the great inconvenience caused to the
people due to non-restoration of the
Four mile railway connection between
Sahebpur Kamal Junction and Monghyr
Ghat in the North Eastern Railway; and

(b) if so, the steps being taken to res-
tore the connection at an early date ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) ; (a) Yes.

(b) The question of restoration of rail-
way line between Sahebpur Kamal Jun-
ction and Monghyr Ghat is under exa-
mination.

Demand for Indian Suu-gfauscc fta
Sudan, Mauritius and Nigeria

3065. SHRI DHARMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the Minister of
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a good demand
for Indian Sun-glasses in Sudan, Mau-
ritius and Nigeria; and

(b) the names of other countries which
are importing Indian Sun-glasses and
the amount of foreign exchange earned
annually from these countries ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No. Sfr.

(b) No exports of Sun-glasses to other
countries have so tar taken place and
consequently no foreign exchange earned.

Scope of Expanding Trade with
Nepal, Afghanistan, Ceylon and
South East Asian countries

3066. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU:
Will Ihe Minister of FOREIGN TRA-
DE be pleased to slate .

(a) whether there is considerable
scope for expanding commercial and
economic links with Nepal, Afghanistan,
Ceylon and other South East Asian
countries; and

(b) if so, whether any steps are being
taken to expand trade and economic
relations with these countftes?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Government have taken a number
of steps to expand trade and economic
relations with the South East Asian
countries. Some of the important steps
are given below :

(i) Trade Agreement/Trade Agre-
ements have been concluded with a nu-
mber of countries.

(ii) Joint Commissions /Joint Com-
mittees have been set up in respect of
some of the countries to strengthen
trade and economic relations. Promising
areas for expansion of mutual trade
and industrial collaboration are identi-
fied at the joint meetings of these bo-
dies.

Written Answers

SRAVANA 31. 1«94 (JSAKA) Written Answers

(jii) in some cases, loans and defer-
>ied payment facilities are extended to
enable the concerned countries to pur-
chase Indian goods.

(iv) Trade Delegation are sent and in-
vited for discussing trade matters of
mutual interest.

(v) Visual commercial publicity and
trade propaganda is conducted through

exhibitions and displays.

(vi) Indian parties are encouraged to
*et up industrial ventures in these coun-
tries.

(vii) The Indian Institute of Foreign
Trade set up by Government, conducts
research on a continuing basis for im-
proving the export procedures and tech-
niques.

(viii) Individual cases of fraudulant
trade practices brought to the notice of
Government are enquired into and re-
medial action taken by Government.

Expert Committee’s Report on Govern-
ment run Textile Mills

3067. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to stated :

(a) whether the Expert Committee
set up by Government to go into the
working of the Government-run textile
mills has submitted its report;

(b) if so, the main recommendations
made by the Committee; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). The report submitted by
the Committee is still under considera-
tion and it will be premature to disclose
Us contents at this stage.

Development of Rubber Plantation in
Andamans and Nicobar Islands

3068. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is a considerable
scope for the development of rubber
plantation in Andamans and Nicobar
group of Islands; and

(b) if so, what steps have been taken
for the development of rubber planta-
tion in these islands ?

thedeputt minister in the

0F FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

„ PiJ ot project of 203 hectares of
Rubber Plantation established in South
Andamans in 1965-66 and another sche-
me sanctioned in 1967 for planting
m Katchal Island (of
which 3 44 hectares have been planted

p'ihhfr i 968 '. 71) TN are danced by the
Rubber Board. Demonstration plots of
2 hectares each established in three Is -
a "?V n i? 7 ^' -Another scheme prepa-
red by Forest Department for 7,490
hectares is under examination. These
have awakened considerable interest in
rubber cultivation in the Islands. A
proposal to set up a Plantation Cor-
poration for concentrated development
ot plantation crops (including rubber
evelopment) in the Andaman and
Nicobar Islands is under consideration
of Government of India in the Ministry
of Agriculture. J

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(*)' wr ifarn hr# % 3th.

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oororer st w i

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fiwf vt shr ami

3070. «To 5TWFTiTT*rn : qqr

hr tr§ srrff # frr *hr fo :

fa) wr q>r famr oho

5*r^«rT ? r qinr sforef % it ofjsprfl

ofafosrf qfj oh# *r aft*

Written AnsM* AUOUST 22, 1972 Writ** Atowtn 9Z

(«) sfe V, Ira srarw ^ ijto
w f affc ^ bto?si it tot frofa
fwr tot t ?

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atk (tsT) ^ITOFT 5TOTOT TO ^TR 5%-

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to *lf froro ^ I i
ft* Tif,, tW TOfi t'TTTOH afk *flR%

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it b^tot'i TifTrfa^ff, *to$t tt^'t
afk irfpji sfafrof ^ tori? totA

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3071. too wforraw <rt* :

sft 3ffTOT TOR RTTO :

tot ^R rri q? 5Terf%*A fn :

($) R^TOT % TcTTOR fTOflRR

it ^ TOfsntl if, fa~4 tfl*r tot
im ^t\ to vf) ^r foq r
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*«T TOt TO fTOI Viiq-iTC;

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sft^ giR t! it’Ti % to? *<fi =*iF8iFft ?;
afk

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%r *r?ft (*ft eto ire mf) : (r) R
(*r) totti TOJ3t to to ^ | rV
BRT-*TSR TO TOTOfl I

Extension of Indo-U.K. existing Trade
arrangements upto 1975

3072. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) the reaction of the U.K. Govern-
ment to the request made by Govern-

ment of India for the continua-
nce of the existing trade arrangements
upto 1975;

(b) whether any discussion in this
regard has taken place between the Go-
vernment of India and the Government
of U. K.; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). In
the aid memorie handed over by us to
the British Government on 21st Febru-
aiy 1972 on the safeguard measures ne-
eded for India’s exports following UK’s
membership of the Community we have
requested that the piesent trading ar-
rangements in UK for principal items
of India’s exports should be continued
as an interim measure till satisfactory
solutions to their trade problems are
iound. We also urged m the aide me-
mo ric for early consultations in respect
of the commodities for which problems
would arise follbwing the enlargement
of the Community. The British Gov-
ernment in their reply ,ntcr aha
agreed for discussions with us.
Following this, discussions took place
in July, 1972 between the two sides.
These discussions would be resumed in
September, 1972.

Rural electrification in Bihar

3073. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
MANDAL : Will the Minister of
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas-
ed to state:

(a) the time by which all the villages
in Bihar State are likely to be electri-
fied: and

(b) the number of villages, District-
wise which are likely to be electrified
during the current year ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) :
(a) About 8,400 villages in Bihar have
been electrified as on 30-6-72. The

time by which all the villages in Bihar
will be electrified would depend upon
the resources available in the Fifth and
subsequent Plans.

(b) It is programmed to electrify
1,750 villages in Bihar during 1972-73.
District-wise details are given as under :

Patna ..... 150

Gaya ..... 200

Shahabad ..... 200

33 Written Answers

SRAVANAi

Saran • .

•

■

•

125

Champaran

•

Muzaffarpur

■

250

Dharbanga

•

165

Monghyer

•

250

Bhagalpur

•

IOO

Shanthal Parganas

Purnea ■

•

Saharsa

Palamau .

•

Hazaribagh

Dhanabad

•

Singhbhum

•

Ranchi •

Total

1,750

Introduction

of Rajdhani Express from

Delhi to Madras

3074. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to slate :

(a) whether there is any proposal to
have a Rajdham Express from Delhi to
Madras; and

(b) if so, when it is likely to materia-
lise ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) No such pro-
posal is under consideration at present.

(b) Does not arise.

Amendment of Bonus Act to include
Railway Employees

1S94 (SAKA) WritUn At suers 94

Uniformity in Electricity Rniee

3076. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:

(a) whether the question of uniform
electricity rates in the country was dis-
eased at the Chief Ministers’ Confer-
ence, and

(b) if not, when this is likely to be
discussed?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER ( SjHRI B. IN. KUREEL):
(a) and (b). The question of bringing
about uniform electricity tariffs in the
country has been engaging the attention
of the Government. The cost of electri-
city depends upon various factors such
as source of supply, extent of transmis-
sion and distribution systems, capital
cost incurred, load characteristics and
also other local conditions. The State
Electricity Boards are empowered to
frame their own tariffs for power sup-
ply to their consumers such that they
shall not as far as practicable carry on
their business at a loss. There was no
Conference of Chief Ministers held on
this subject, but this was discussed at
the Conference of the Chairman of the
State Electricity Boards held on 10th
and 11th May, 1972. The Conference
agreed that the States will take suit-
able action to adjust the tariff rates so
that the disparity between the rates of
the same categories of consumers in the
States of the sa"*'* region is reduced.
Thus efforts arc ueing made to bring
about uniformity in tariffs on a regional
basis.

Crisis in Cashew industry in Kerala

3077. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI:

3075. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERM A:

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state the reaction of Govern-
ment to the demand made by the Fede-
ration of Railway Employees to amend
the Bonus Act to include the Railway
employees also therein ?

THE MINISTER; OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The position has
been clarified by the Minister for La-
bour & Rehabilitation in his reply to
Starred Question No. 64 in the Lok
Sabha on 3rd August, 1972.

* 4 — 11 L .S. S./72

SHRIMATI BHARGAVI
THANKAPPAN :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) the assistance sought by Gov-
i ernment of Kerala to solve the crisis in
j* Cashew Industry in the State ; and

| (b) the assistance made available to

I the State in this regard ?

il the deputy minister in the

^MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
l (SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
In May, 1971 Kerala Government

Written Anstiih

Written Animth 96

AUGUST 22. HU

sought a grant of Its. 1.5 events and
also, a loan of the fame value to take
oy0f 15 clqsedcasllew factories. The
Request of the Kerajk Government was
considered in consultation with them
and the State has line© been provided
with a loan of fts. 20 lakhs by the Cen-
tral Government. Further, the Kerala
State Cashew Development Corporation
has also been offered a loan of Rs. 20
lakhs, by the Cashew Corporation of
India.

Kerala Government’s request to reim-
burse expenditure regarding retted
husks

3078. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI:
Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the request to reimburse
the expenditure incurred by Govern-
ment of Kerala consequent on the in-
troduction of Price Control on retted
husks has been granted ; and

(b) if not, the present stage of the
request ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) The Kerala Government have
been advised to adjust the expenditure
against the non-Plan assistance made
available to the State.

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Wagon shortage hi Orlasa

3080. SHRI OIRIDHAR GOMAN-
GO: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS
be pleased to state:

(a) whether the shortage of Railway
wagons is creating great probletns in
the Orissa State;

(b) whether his Ministry has not
met in full the demands of the State for
the supply of Railway wagons ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) There has been
no report from any industry located in
Orissa State about serious disruption in
their production due to wagon shortage
nor any serious distress reported from
any consumer for wagons.

(b) Demands for wagons have been
met satisfactorily. Some temporary diffi-
culties might have been felt for short
availability of wagons for short duration
but special assistance was given when-
ever such difficulties were brought to
the notice of the Railways. Temporary
shortfalls were on account of heavy
immobilisation of wagons in the Eas-
tern sector due to various anti-social
activities and slow release in important
terminals and also due to temporary
dislocations due to breaches etc.

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(c) Efforts are continuously being
made to step up wagon supplies to
meet all demand currently. The co-
operation of the State Governments and
local bodies has also been sought to ex-
pedite release of loaded wagons to make
more wagons available. Steps have also
been taken to expedite delivery of the
new wagons under order and to place
order for more wagons.

Dum Dum as Free Trade Zone

3081. SHRI P. GANGADEB:

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA.

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the centre is considering
a proposal to declare Dum Dum afid
the adjoining Salt lake aita, as ‘Fite
Trade Zone’ ; and

(b) if 46, the reasons therefor?

SRAVANA 3l', 1894 (JSAKA) Written Answers

Written Answers

the deputy minister in the
ministry of foreion trade

(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir.
(b) Does not arise.

Unrestricted Import of Dry and fresh
Fruits from Afghanistan

3082. SHRI P. GANGADEB:

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Union Government
have decided to allow unrestricted im-
ports of dry and fresh fruits from Af-
ghanistan ; and

(b) if so, whether trade agreement
for 1972-73 signed in February bet-
ween India and Afghanistan has been
modified ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The
Trade Arrangement between India and
Afghanistan signed in New Delhi on
February 20, 1972 provides for imports
of dry and fresh fruits from Afghanis-
tan to be counter balanced by exports
of specified commodities from India.
A copy of the Trade Arrangement is
available in the Parliament Library.

(b) The Trade Arrangement has not
been modified but as was stated in re-
ply to Starred Question No. 958 on
the 23rd of May, 1972, there were
talks between officials of India and Af-
ghanistan with a view to explain the
provisions of a Public Notice issued on
March 20, 1972 in regard to imports
from and exports to Afghanistan. Dur-
ing the discussions, certain difficulties
were brought to the attention of the
Indian side.

In order to overcome these difficul-
ties, a fresh Public Notice was issued
on June 30, 1972 in supersession of the
earlier Public Notice.

the Hirakud Project in Keonjhar Dis-
trict over the Baitarani river are pro-
posed to be treated by the Central Gov-
ernment on a priority basis;

(b) whether Central Government
have sanctioned any amount for the
projects; and

* (c) if so, the total amount sanction-
ed?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
to (c). The Rengali dam on the Brah-
mani and Bhimkund dam on the Bai-
tami have been included in the list of
priority flood control schemes of
Orissa for which the Centre has agreed
to provide special assistance during the
last two years of the current plan with
a ceiling of Rs. 10 crores. The release
of assistance is to be made after the
schemes arc approved and the pro-
gramme of work is finalised. The Ren-
gali project Report has recently been
received at the Centre for scrutiny and
the Bhimkund project is expected to be
finalised by the State Government by
the end of September, 1972.

Increase in quota for Goods under

Australia’s preferential Tariff Scheme

3084. SHRI P. GANGADEB:

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether an Indian trade delega-
tion to Australia has asked the Australian
Government to increase quotas for goods
under Australia’s preferential tariff
scheme for less developed countries ;

(b) whether the delegation also held
tentative talks with the Australian Wool
Commission on the possibility of incr-
easing Australia’s greasy wool exports
to India ; and

Amount sanctioned for Flood Control
aspects of the Erangali Project and
Hirakud Project

3083. SHRI P. GANGADEB: Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:

(a) whether flood control aspects of
the Rrangali Project in Dhankanal Dis-
trict over the Brahman! River and of

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c).
Presumably, the Hon.’ble Members are
referring to the Indian Trade and Eco-
nomic Delegation, sponsored by the Fe-
deration of Indian Chambers of Com-
merce and Industry which after attend-
ing the Fourth Conference of the Con-
federation of Asian Chambers of Com-
merce and Industry held m Perth fronii

Written Answers

AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answers 100

7th ; to 13th May, ,1972 visited other
business centres in Australia. The re-
port of the delegation has been released
recently. The report does not make
any reference to the delegation having
requested the Australian Government
to increase quotas for goods under Aus-
tralia’s preferential tariff scheme for less
developed countries.

During their visit the delegation, tn-
ter-alia, held discussions with the Wool
Commission and got the impression that
Australia would like to export raw wool
in larger quantities to India. Proces-
sion of raw wool is a labour intensive
business. Being short of man-power,
Australia would, therefore, like to ex-
plore the possibilities of either export-
ing raw wool outright to India in much
larger quantities or for getting it pro-
cessed into wool tops, yarn, woven fa-
brics and knitwear. It is the impres-
sion of the delegation that the Wool
Commission was prepared to send a de-
legation to India to explore these possi-
bilities and also to set up a joint ven-
ture in India for processing of raw wool
in which they will have the backing of
the Government of Australia.

Implementation of the Recommenda-
tions of Committee on Uneconomic Rail-
way Lines

3085. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased
to state :

(a) the recommendations made by
the Committee under the Chairmanship
of Shri Rohanlal Chaturvedi in its re-
port regarding conversion of N. G. line
into B. G. line in Gujarat, submitted in
1970; and

(b) the recommendations being im-
plemented by Government?

THE MINISTER? OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Four N.G. lines
in Gujarat, namely (i) Chota Udaipur-
Pratapnagar, (ii) Chhuchhapura-Tan-
khala, (iii) Ankleswar-Rajpipla and (iv)
Billimora-Waghai have been recommend-
ed by the Committee to be surveyed for
conversion into B.G.

(b) Traffic surveys for conversion of
Chota Udaipur-Pratapnagar and Chhu-
chhapura-T a nkh al a lines into B.G. are
3eing carried out.

Teams for assessing Performance of
Public Sector Corporations and Com*
modify Boards

3086. SHRI D. P. JADEJA:

SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN-
THAM:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether six Evaluation Teams
have been set up by his Ministry for
assessing the performance of the Pub-
lic -.Sector Corporation, Commodity
Boards under its jurisdiction ; and

(b) if so, the terms of reference and
composition of each team?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Evaluation Teams have been
set up to undertake a quick survey of
functioning of the following Corpora-
tions/ Commodity Boards and to make
an assessment of the extent to which
our goals have been achieved and the
direction in which further strengthen-
ing of the organisations is needed as
also suggest ways and means of improv-
ing their peiformance. The Evaluation
Teams consist of the following person-
nel for each of the Corporations/ Com-
modity Boards : —

(i) The State Trading Corporation

(1) Shri Mohd. Yunus,

Special Secretary,

Ministry of Foreign Trade.

(2) Shri K. Kishore,

Joint Secretary,

Ministry of Foreign Trade.

(ii) The Minerals & Metals
Trading Corporation

(1) Shri K. T. Satarawala,

Officer on Special Duty,
Ministry of Foreign Trade.

(2) Shri B. D. Kumar,

Joint Secretary,

Ministry of Foreign Trade.

(iii) & (iv) National Textiles Cor -
poration

and

Cotton Corporation of India

(1) Shri Y. T. Shah,

Additional Secretary,

Ministry of Foreign Trade.

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Written Answers tQ2

(2) Shri P. N. Kapur,

Textile Commissioner.

(v) & (vi) Tea Board and Coffee

Board

<1) Shri K. T. Satarawala,

Officer on Special Duty,
Ministry of Foreign Trade.

(2) Shri K. S. Narang,

Joint Secretary,

Ministry of Foreign Trade.

Detection of Ticketless Travellers on
South-Eastern Railway

3087. SHRI ARVIND NETAM :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of ticketless travellers
detected on the South Eastern Railway
from 1st January, 1971 to 30th June,
1972; and

(b) the amount recovered from them
by Government in the form of penalty
during this period?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) 1,52,495.

(b) Rs. 11,14,016.

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Departmental Promotion Committee
for Confirmation of Officers

3089. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to refer to the replies given to
Unstarred Question No. 886 of 21st
March, 1972 and Unstarred Question
No. 976 of 21st March, 1972 respec-
tively regarding temporary officers in the
Railway Department in 1957 and meet-
ing of the Departmental Promotion
Committee respectively and state :

(a) the name of the third officer,
selected by Departmental Promotion
Committee ;for permanent promotion,
and reasons for delay in his permanent
appointment ;

103 Written A™*#* AUGUST 22,;97J Wriittp^nsmn ij&f

(b) whether any jpeeting of the De-
partmental Promotion Committed has
been held after 17th August, 1971 ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) The third officer
selected for permanent appointment will
be notified as and when he is cleared
from the vigilance angle. It will not
be in the public interests to disclose the
name of the officer or the exact reasons
at this stage.

(b) Yes. Meeting was held on
18-7-1972.

Proposal to increase the Service of the
export special Goods Train from
Amritsar to Bombay

3090. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Ministei of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether an export special express
goods train fiom Amritsar to Bombay
has become popular with exporters ; and

(b) if so, whether Government are
considering a proposal to inciease the
service of the said train ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A PAI) : (a) and (b) Yes,
but the present volume of traffic offer-
ing does not justify increasing the fre-
quency of the weakly export special.
The matter is constantly under review
and the frequency .would be increased
when more traffic offers.

Measures taken to stop the Frequent
Derailment of Coaches on North East-
ern Railway

3091. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to stale :

(a) whether frequent derailment of
coaches on the Noith Eastern Railway
is caused because of the failure of equa-
lising beams as also the breakages of
beams due to over-crowding on trains ;
and

(b) if so, the steps taken by the Rail-
way Authorities to remedy the situation?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T* A. PAI) : (a) No. There was
one derailment each during 1971-72

and 1972-73 (upto July 72) due to
breakage of equalising beam. In both
these cases breakage of the equalising
beams was due to fatigue and not on
account of over-crowding in trains.

(b) Six coaches fitted with the type
of non-standard equalising beam which
failed have been withdrawn and are be-
ing fitted with standard equalising beams
and also safety straps are being pro-
vided.

Survey for ten uneconomic Railway
Lines

3092. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government selected ten
lines for survey following the Report
of the Uneconomic Branch Lines Com-
mittee ;

(b) if so, the names of the ten Branch

lines ; *

(d) if so, further action taken in this
regard 7

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) to (d). A State-
ment is laid on the Table of the House.

| Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3473/
72.]

Working groups to plan for expansion
of facilities regarding freight & Passen-
ger Traffic

3093 SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL:
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have form-
ed working groups to formulate plans
for expansion of facilities tor freight 6c
passenger traffic ; and

(b) it so, the terms of reference of
the Groups?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAID (a) Yes.

(b) The terms of reference of the
three Working Groups set up in the
Ministry of Railways are as under : —

1. Working Group on Freight Tra-
ffic. — This working Group would

have to make a realistic assessment

of transport requirements in the Fifth

Itt Wr&HmAmvnra SRAVANA 31, 18?4 ($AKA) Written Answers lOf

in respect of amo r cooMaokties
as coal, finisnea steel and raw
materials, iron otte for export, cement,
foodgrains, fertilisers, POL, railway
materials and caber general goods,
having regard to the targets of pro-
duction envisaged for 1978-79. The
phasing of the likely growth of frei-
ght traffic on a yearly basis may also
be worked out. Further, the projec-
tions of workload on the railways
may be worked out in terms of tonne-
kilometres also. In working out the
traffic requirements, the patterns of
direction-wise movement may also be
worked out as far as possible.

2. Working Group on Passenger
Traffic. — The Working Group may as-
sess requirements of passenger traffic
separately for GO Suburban traffic and
(b) non-suburban traffic. In regard
to non-suburban traffic, an assess-
ment may also be made of the extent
of overcrowding existing at present
on long distance trains on trunk and
other major routes and measures
needed to reduce overcrowding. In
regard to suburban traffic, the Group
may also review the present status of
the studies currently in progress re-
lating to metropolitan transport and
the programme for the Fifth Plan.

3. Working Group on railway de-
velopment programme v. — The Group
may formulate the railway develop-
ment programme having regard to the
capacities likely to be built by the
end of the Fourth Plan, the require-
ments of additional traffic in the Fifth
Plan, the possible bottlenecks on the
major routes, the needs of moderni-
sation. etc The Group should iden-
tify the spill-over works from the
Fourth Plan and the new works re-
quired. Special emphasis should be
given for passenger terminal, increase
in trunk route capacities, accelerated
electrification and scope for dicselisa-
tion. It would be necessary to take
into account action required in the
field of research and development,
building up of manufacturing capa-
cities to meet the equipment and rol-
ling stock requirements.

Allegation against Administration of
Central Water and Power Station at
Poona

3094. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of complaints
have been made against the administra-
tion of the Central Water and Power
Station at Poona alleging nepotism cor-
ruption, parochialism ' and favouritism;

(b) if so, the nature thereof; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a>
to (c). Some complaints alleging nepo-
tism, parochialism and favouritism as
also financial and administrative irregu-
larities against the Director of the Re-
search Station were received. These
were looked into and were found to be
incorrect.

Representation for Raw Material for
Wig Industry

3095. SHRI B. S. BHAURA: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether traders engaged in Wig
Industr) have made any representation
to Government for raw materials ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide
raw materials to the traders 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b)
Human hair is the basic raw material
for making wigs and it is abundantly
available. However no representation
has been received on this account from
traders engaged in wig industry.

Wig Factory at Delhi

3096. SHRI B. S. BHAURA: Wilt
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of
the fact that in Delhi wig making is con-
sidefcd to be a cottage industry;

(b) whether there is a demand by the
wig industrialists tor a Wig Factory in
Delhi ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Prima fa-
cie wig making is a cottage industry in

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AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Antwere 108

Delhi but its character can be changed
if some machinery % installed and the
unit is mechanised.

(b) and (c). Recently Delhi Admi-
nistration have received a proposal from
a private party to start wig manufac-
turing with mechanical means and is re-
ceiving their attention.

Remodeling of Tnglakabad
Railway Yard

3097. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased
to state :

(a) what progress has been made so
far in the remodelling of the Tuglaka-
bad Railways Yard; and

(b) when the work is expected to be
completed 7

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) and (b). The
progress made so far on the work is
50% and it is likely to be completed by
September 1973.

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lUcommeudattons made by the Official
Committee Appointed to suggest ways
lor Streamlining Thermal Power Hants

3101. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER, be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Official Committee to
suggest ways of streamlining Thermal
power plants has submitted its report :

(b) if so, the main recommendations
made by the Committee; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)

No, Sir. The Committee is being consti-
tuted and will start its work shortly.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

West Bengal Labour Minister’s Report
on Tea Monopoly Houses.

3102. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether West Bengal Labour Mini-
ster has submitted to the Centre a detail-
ed report elaborating the methods by
which a few monopoly houses controll-
ing India’s tea industry make huge pro-
fits and build up a huge foreign exchange
reserve abroad; and

(b) if so, the action taken on the re-
port?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

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Prefigure from Central Government to

enhance the Electricity Charges
on Agriculture

3106. SHR1 P. NARASIMHA
REDDY : WilJ the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government's attention
has been drawn to the reported Press
Statements of the Chief Minister of
Tamil Nadu and other Ministers of
Andhra Pradesh that they are being pres-
surised by the Central Government to
enhance the electricity charges for agri-
culture to 16 paise per unit;

(b) if so. Central Government’s reac-
tion thereto; and

(c) whether the Central Government
have taken into consideration the im-
pact of such increase on marginal far-
mers in deeplift irrigation areas?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
and (b) No, Sir. Government are not
aware of any reported statements by the
Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu or other
Ministers of Andhra Pradesh referred
in the question. There was also no direc-
tive issued to the States for enhancing
electricity charges for agriculture to 16
paise per unit.

Irrigation and Power Projects

3107. SHRI P. NARASIMHA
REDDY : Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
State :

(a) whether Government of Andhra
Pradesh have requested for any special
additional assistance to push through
their Major irrigation and Power Pro-
jects; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Central
Government thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
and (b). The Government of Andhra
Pradesh requested for special additional
assistance for the Nagarjunasagar and
Lower Sileru projects. It was however,
not found possible to provide any such
assistance.

Compulsory Export Obligations

3108. SHRI P. NARASIMHA RED-

DY:

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
impose compulsory export obligations
on industrial units in the country; and

(b) if so, the broad features of the
Scheme?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
After careful examination Government
have decided in principle to impose ex-
port obligations on such mills which are
technologically equipped to manufacture
exportworthy cloth. Details are being
worked out. No decision has been taken
to impose compulsory export obligations
on other industries.

Wagons for Lifting Barytes to be sup-
plied to O A NGC from Cuddapah

3109. SHRI P. NARASIMHA
REDDY: Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether large quantities of barytes
including those to be supplied on con-
tract to O & NGC are held up for

fErUtffi Jipwcrs SRAYANA 31, {SAKA)

? oaths at Cuddapah and other stations
Cuddapoh District of Andhra Pradesh;
and

(h) whether steps will be takea to
make sufficient wagons available to lift
the accumulated stocks?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) There are some
outstanding demands for barytes at Cud-
dapah station as the bulk of the demand
is for destinations subject to quota limi-
tations. The oldest demand outstanding
is about three months old. Movement
for O & NGC has often been arranged
ad hoc whenever O & NGC asked for
assistance.

(b) Loading of barytes from stations
on the Guntakal Division, including Cud-
dapah, has been stepped up from 135
wagons in April 1972 to 228 m June
and 229 wagons m July 1972. Loading
from Cuddapah has been stepped up
from 12 wagons in April to 14 wagons
in June and 26 wagons in July. Instruc-
tions have been issued to step up load-
ing further.

Location of Wheels and Axles
Plant in Andhra Pradesh

3110. SHRI P. NARAS1MHA
REDDY: Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to slate:

(a) whether there is a proposal to
locate a Wheels and Axles plant in
Andhra Pradesh;

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to study the suitability of locating it at
Pakala in Chitton District where ade-
quate site and other infrastructure faci-
lities are already in possession of the
Railway; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) to (c). The Rail-
way Ministry is at present considering
the setting up of a Wheel and Axle
Plant. The project report for the plant
is currently under preparation. Decision
will be taken after detailed examination
of all relevant aspects which will also
cover the question of suitable location
for the proposed project.

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Export Licence for Into Bales In
Mr. Tulsfamof Karmrtak OrtponlMi,
Bangalore

3111. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU:
Wffll the Minister of FOREIGN TRAPE
be pleased to state;

,(a) whether one Mr. Tulsian of Kar-
natak Corporation, Bangalore, a private
firm in which the Government of My-
sore holds 17 percent shares, was re-
cently given licences to export 1 lakh
bales of jute; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
No licence has been given to S. K. Tul-
sian for export of raw jute. However*
the Karnatak Exports Ltd. of Bangalore
has been given a licence for export of
I lakh bales of raw jute.

Import of Wool and Issuing of Combing
Licences

3112. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU:
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(aj the value and quantity of wool im-
ports, year-wise, Irom 1969-70 to 1971-
72;

(b) whether Government recently is-
sued three million K. G. Wool combing
licences to certain parties in Punjab and
Haryana, and if so, the names and parti-
culars of such parties;

(c) whether it has been brought to the
notice oi Government that m respect of
the distribution ot wool combing licen-
ces. certain parties were particularly
favoured, if so, what action if any has
been taken in that regard;

(d) whether certain persons and firms
in Ludhiana, Amritsar and Jullundur
had illegally increased their loomage
without any authority; and

(e) whether Government have recent-
ly taken steps to regularise these unau-
Ihonscd looms, if so, an account there-
of?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Quantity

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AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answer* 116

and value of import of raw wool as
under: —

(Qty. Kg./Lakhs) (Val. Rs./lakhs)

Year

quantity

Value

1969-70

184

1,648

1970-71

190

L5°9

J971-72

140

995

(Upto Jan., 72)

(b) The total effective wool combing
capacity in the country is 39 million lbs.
Due to a progressive spurt in the exports
of woollen knitwears over the last few
years, this capacity became insufficient.
A decision was taken in 1969 to increase
the combing capacity. On the recommen-
dations of an inter-ministerial Sub -Com-
mittee, Licensing Committee sanctioned
additional combing capacity of the order
of 22 million lbs. Out of this, 6 million
lbs. wool combing licences have been
sanctioned to the following parties in
Punjab. No combing licence has been
granted to Haryana.

1. M/s. Oswal Wollen
Millsj Ludhiana

2 5 m. lbs.

2. M/s. Anil Wool Com-
bers, Ludhiana

1 .0 m. Ibs.

3. M/s. Modella Wollen
Mills, Chandigarh .

1 .0 m. lbs.

4. M/s. M.H. Combers,
Amritsar

0 8 m. lbs.

5. M/s. Asian Combers,
Ludhiana

07 m. lbs.

(d) Yes, Sir. Such unauthorised
powerlooms were regularised in 1960
and 1966 under schemes covered by
Press Notes.

(e) Does not arise.

Misuse of Import Licence by M/s.
Security Printers of India

3113. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether it has been alleged that
M/s. Security Printers of India Private
Limited, Kanpur, a subsidiary of the

Metal Box Company of India Limited
has misutilized import licences valued
at about Rs. 15 lakhs, granted to it;

(b) if so, whether Government had in-
vestigated the allegation against this
company;

(d) what are

(e) if no investigation has been held
so far, whether Government propose to
order an immediate and thorough probe?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Allegations
about misutilization of import licences
for a total value of Rs. 7.75 lakhs have
been received against M/s. Security Prin-
ters of India Ltd., Kanpur.

(b) Necessary enquiry is being made.

(d) Findings are still awaited.

(e) Does not arise.

Re-Opening of Martin Light Railway

3114. SHRI JOTIRMOY BOSU:

SHRI SAMAR GUHA :

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state the exact position with
regard to the issue of re-opening of Mar-
tin Light Railway in West Bengal clos-
ed down over a year ago?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAT) : It has been agreed
in principle that the Light Railways in
West Bengal will be re-opened. A deci-
sion as to how and when the railway
lines will be re-opened will be taken by
the Ministry of Railways jointly with
the Government of West Bengal.

Visit of Indian Railway Team
Abroad

3115. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODY:

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state:

(a) whether seven-member team of the
Indian Railways had gone on a seven-
week tour recently to some foreign coun-
tries; and

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(U\ whether the tour was useful for
any* special project, and if so, the salient
features of the project?

the MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes.

fl}> Tour was useful for Underground
Railway Project Calcutta having the
following salient features:

(i) Alignment .

(ii) Length

(iii) Cost Estimate
(iv^ Time of Construc-
tion.

(v) Foreign Exchange

(vi) Passenger /day
(viO Construction Met-

thod.

Dum- Dum to
Tolly ganj
16 5 Kms
Rs. 140 crores
7 years from

1972-73

Rs. 23.7 crores
1 .3 million

1. Cut and
Cover.

2. Driven Tun-

nel.

(viiil Journey time from

one end to another. 32 minutes

(ix) Fare . ■ Not yet deci-

ded.

Revised Indo-Afghan Trade
Agreement

to Afghanistan. During the discussions,
certain difficulties were brought to the
attention of the Indian side. In order
to overcome these difficulties, a fresh
Public Notice was issued on June, 30,
1972, in supersession of the earlier Pub-
lic Notice. Copies of the Trade Arran-
gement and of the Public Notices are
available in the Parliament Library.

Idio-Soviet Trade Agreement

3117. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN :

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether an agreement has been
reached between India and Russia re~
garding Indian Textile Products; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
The 1972 Trade Protocol with USSR
provides for the export of Printed cotton
cloth and other cotton piece goods,
Ready-made garments, Bed-Linen, towels
and hand-kerchiefs, woollen knitwear
and woollen Textiles from India.

3116. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:
SHRI PURUSHOTTAM

KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether revised Indo-Afghan
Trade Agreement has been finalised; and

(b) if so, the sailent features thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
The Indo-Afghan Trade Arrangement
for 1972-73 period was signed in New
Delhi on February 20, 1972. Attention
is invited to the answer given in reply to
part (b) of Unstarred Question No. 113
on the 14th March, 1972, wherein the
salient features of the Trade Arrange-
ment were mentioned.

In addition to the above, a contract
has been signed between Cotton Textiles
Export Promotion Council, Bombay and
V/O Exportljan, Moscow, for supply of
cotton to India by the Soviet Union for
conversion into cotton fabrics and
Towels to be exported to the USSR.
India would receive the cotton free of
cost and will get conversion charges.
Items like Roller printed Chintz, print-
ed satin, bleached sheeting, bleached
poplin and Towels are covered under
this deal.

Theft of Railway Fittings

3118. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK: Will the* Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether there has been increase in
the number of cases of theft of railway
fittings in the- recent years;

2, The Trade Arrangement has not
been modified but as was stated in reply
to Starred Question No. 958 on the 23rd
of May, 1972, there were talks between
officials of India and Afghanistan with
a view to explain the provisions of a
Public Notice issued on March 20, 1972,
in regard to imports from and exports

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes, to some ex*
tent.

Wrf^ Xnmts AUGUST 2l 1972 Written Answers 12b

(b) Dae to the dfatairbed law add order
conditions in some ^parts of the country
particularly in Eastern region.

(c) The total loss to the railways due
to thefts of railway materials and fittings
during the last 3 years is as under : —

Year

No. of Property
Oases lost

registered (Rs.)

Property

Recovered

(Rs .1

*969 •

27,”5

32 , 90,559

4,92,462

1970

30,379

47,01,729

6,88,545

« 97 *

45,870

69,27,941

6,46,517

1972

25,151

24 , *4,554

2,47,839

(Upto June, 72)

Stopping of Loans to the Punjab State
Electricity Board for its Rural Scheme

3119. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK : Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Rural Electrification Cor-
poration has stopped advancement of
sanctioned loans to the Punjab State
Electricity Board for its rural scheme;
and

(b) if so, the reasons thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
and (b). No, Sir. In all 17 schemes
have been sanctioned so far by the
Rural Electrification Corporation for
rural electrification in Punjab. First in-
stalment of loan amounting to Rs.
366.712 lakhs in respect of 12 schemes
has since been disbursed to the Punjab
State Electricity Board. The amount for
the other schemes will be released by
the Corporation on completion of the
formalities in regard to furnishing of
documents by the State Electricity Board.

Review 6f Iltdo U.A.R. Trade
Agreem en t

3120. StiKI R. S. PANDEY; Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether talks have been held re*
cently with Egypt to review the present
trade and commerce between the two
countries;

(b) whether any new agreement has
since been signed with Egypt to promote
trade with that country; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). In
April 1972 mid-term Trade Review Talks
were held with ARE in Cairo to review
the working of the current Indo-ARE
Trade Arrangement. There was no ques-
tion of concluding any new Agreement
during those talks since the current
Trade Arrangement is valid up to 30 th
September , 1972.

However, in the first week of Septem-
ber, 1972 Egyptian trade delegation is
expected to come to Delhi to negotiate
a new Trade Arrangement for 1972-73.

Privately owned Electricity
supply undertakings

3121. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state the total
number of privately owned electricity
supply undertakings in the country ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): The
total number of privately owned electri-
city supply undertakings in the country,
including cooperatives and private com-
panies, is 133 as on 31-3-72.

Chittaranjan Locomotive Works

3122. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the Chittaranjan Loco-
motive Works have recently entered into
the export market;

(b) if so, the main items produced at
the Chittaranjan Locomotive Works
meant for export and the countries from
where orders have been received; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes.

Hi Wtftim mwers SRAVAKA 31, (SAJCAy jmttin Answers 122

(&) The mdia items produced for ex*
jhort ait the Chittaranjan Locomotive
Works ate mono blodks fdr points and
crossings supplied to Iran, locomotive
spares supplied to Syria, traction motors
magnet frames supplied to France and
steam locomotive boilers supplied to
Burma.

(c) The total value of these export
orders is about Rs. 18 lakhs of which
■approximately Rs. 13 lakhs have been
realised so far.

Fall In rate of Exports

3123. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA :

SHRI P. K. DEO:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(а) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn to news item ap-
pearing in the Indian Express dated the
26th July, 1972 showing sketch of fall
in the rate of export of Indian commo-
dities and if so. Government’s reaction
thereto;

(б) whether the imports have shown a
steep rise in the country;

(d) the steps which Government pro-
pose to take to increase the exports.

CB) If id, tbe Ste^s bdng taken by Gov-
ernment to meet the tituatioft?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes.

(b) Loading in and for destinations in
the Eastern sector, particularly in West
Bengal, suffered due to serious disloca-
tions to railway working and heavy im-
mobilisation of wagons on account of
various anti-social activities till the last
quarter of 1971 and heavy Defence
moves thereafter. Availability of wagons
also suffered due to drop in the release
of loaded wagons in Calcutta-Howrah
areas from about 80% in the past to
65% in recent months. Detention to
loaded wagons were heavy even in the
Power Houses. Railways are following
up the slow release of wagons with the
trade through different Chambers of
Commerce and are also planning to open
additional terminals in Calcutta area.

Due to sustained efforts, the average
daily loading of coal from Bengal and
Bihar fields went up to 5707 wagons
frbm 5484 and 5444 wagons respective-
ly during the months of May and June,
1972. Efforts are continuing to step up
loading further by accelerating move-
ment of wagons further, reducing the
percentage of wagons ineffective and
procuring more wagons.

Committee to examine decline of Tea
Export to U.K. and other European
Countries

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes.

(b) Yes.

(c) and (d). Exports have continued to
rise. The rise in imports was unavoid-
able. Measures are constantly under re-
view for increasing the country’s ex-
port earnings.

Indian Trade Industry Facing Crisis due
to Wagon Shortage

3124. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
SHARMA : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn towards a news
item - appearing in the daily Hindustan
dated the 30th July, 1972 regarding the
concern expressed by the Federation of
Indian Chamber of Commerce and In-
dustry over shortage of wagons; and

3125. SHRI NAtVAL KISHORE
SHARMA : Will the Minister of FORE-
IGN TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether a Committee has been set
up to examine the cause of decline in
demand of Indian tea in U.K. and other
European countries; and

(b) the steps which Government pro-
pose to take to increase the export of tea
to those countries?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
® A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Although no Committee has been speci-
fica ly set up to examine tbe cause of
decline m demand of Indian tea in UK
and other European countries, several
steps have been are being taken to boost
up tea exports to these countries which
include joint promotion with establish-
ed Packers, sampling and store demon-
strations supporting Indian tea packs and
participation in fairs and exhibitions.

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AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answers 124

Fly owbrMie m Remnxm Lore!
Crossing at Balasore, Orissa

3126. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether the fly over-bridge on the
Remuna level crossing at Balasore,
Orissa has been sanctioned; and

(b) if so, the reasons for not starting
the work so far?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PA1) : (a) The proposal for
construction of a Road over-bridge on
the Remuna Road level crossing at
Balasore has been included in Railway’s
Works Programme of 1972-73.

(b) The site of the over-bridge as well
as the plans and estimate are yet to be
finalised by the Government of Orissa.

Increase in the Time of Halt of Madras
Mail at Balasore, Orissa

3127. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Madras Mail halt at
Balasore (Orissa) is proposed to be in-
creased to 12 minutes as before; and

(b) if so, from what date?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI
MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI) : (a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

Proposal to run a Delux Train between
Howrah and Madras

3128. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of
RAILWAYS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government intend to
run a deluxe train between Howrah and
Madras; and

(b) if so, from whdt date?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

Flood protection Scheme for Buda
Balanga River

3129. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas-
ed to state:

(a) whether Orissa Government have
prepared any flood protection scheme
for Buda Balanga river of Balasore Dis-
trict; and

(b) if so, the name of scheme and pro-
gress made thereon so far?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)
and (b). No flood protection scheme on
the Buda-balanga river has yet been
prepared by the State Government of
Orissa. However, there is a proposal
for constiuction of a dam over the river
Buda-balanga at Kuliana for flood con-
trol and irrigation purposes. The State
Government are carrying out investiga-
tions for this dam.

Project Schemes submitted by Orissa
Government

3130. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER
MOHAPATRA :

SHRI ARJUN SETHI:

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of Orissa
have recently submitted projects schemes
for two major irrigation projects of
Bhimkuda and Rengali to the Central
Water and Power Commission; and

(b) whether Central Water and Power
Commission has studied the schemes and
if so, its reaction thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL):
(a) and (b). The project report of
Rengali Dam on the Brahmani river
in Orissa has recently been received a i
the Centre and is presently under scru-
tiny in the Central Water and Power
Commission. The Bhimkund project is
expected to be finalised by the State Gov-
ernment by the end of September, 1972.

Nationalisation of Aluminium Import
and Export

3131. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
nationalise the export and import of
Aluminium and its raw materials and
products, and

fPstofep Atuteerj SRAVANA31

(b>i£ so, , the salient features of the
proposal?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Import of aluminium is canalised through
the Minerals and Metal Trading Corpo-
ration. There is no proposal, at present,
for canalisation of export of aluminium
metal or aluminium alloys.

Import/ Export Licences to Small Scale
Industries

3132. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether small scale industries hayc
to face problems in getting import-ex-
port licences;

(b) whether Government issue licences
within a period limit; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Procedures
for the grant of. import licences to small
scale industries have been made as sim-
ple as possible. These procedures are
kept under constant review and remedial
measures are taken as and when difficul-
ties arise. On the export side, most of
the commodities are not controlled and
do not require a licence. In the case of
controlled commodities, the shipping
bills for expoit are passed generally on
the same day.

(b) and (c). A time limit of 30 days
has been fixed for disposal of applica-
tions for import of raw materials, com-
ponents and spares, and 60 days in res-
pect of applications for import of capi-
tal goods. These time limits are appli-
cable where applications are complete in
all respects. Every effort is made to
adhere to these time limits. A longer
time is taken in the disposal of applica-
tions which contain deficiencies or where
a large number of applications are re-
ceived at about the same time particu-
larly towards the close of a licensing
period.

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Fixing Price of Cotton Yarn

3141. SHRI P. K. DEO: Will the
Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are planning
to fix prices of cotton yarn;

(b) whether it will give any relief either
to producers or cotton yarn manufac-
turers or textile mill owners; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Transit Facilities to Nepal for Training
with Bangla Desh

3142. SHRI P.K. DEO:

SHRI S.C. SAMANTA:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

^ frrjttenAflww 13*

(a) whether Government of India
have offered overland transit facilities to
Nepal for trade with Bangladesh;

(b) if so, the reaction of the* Nepalese
Government in this regard; and

(c) whether Government of India had
consulted the Government of Bangladesh
before making this offer to the Nepalese
Government?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C, GEORGE) : (a) and (b). It
was agreed between the Government of
India and the Government of Nepal at
the time of signing the Treaty of Trade
and Transit 1971 that for Nepal to deve-
lop and diversify her trade within the
region, overland routes will be provided
to Nepal through regional or sub-region-
al cooperation agreements when mutual-
ly satisfactory trade and transit arrange-
ments between India and other regional
member countries cocerned take place.

(c) The Government of Nepal and the
Government of Bangladesh are both
aware of India’s willingness to provide
facilities, in terms of this, for trade bet-
ween the two countries.

Differences between States over the
Appointment of High Court
Judges

3143. SHRI P. K. DEO: Will the
Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn to a press report
in the ‘ Statesman ’ of 20th June, 1972
under the heading “Differences in States
over Judges’ Choice — Centre to speed
up appointments”; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R.
GOKHALE): (a) and (b). Government
have seen the press report referred to.
The procedure for appointment of High'
Court Judges is laid down in Article 217
of the Constitution. There is na propo-
sal te change) the jpippedufle.

t& il/1894 (SAXA) Written Answers 134

R«of*anta«tioB ^ DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE

in Kerala MINISTRY- OF IRRIGATION AND

POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a)

3144. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the centre has not yet
given to Kerala Rs. 1 4 5 crores for the
reorganisation of coir industry as propo-
sed by the Study Group of the Planning
Commission;

\b) if so, the reasons therefor; and
(c) when it is likely to be given?

, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (c). The
Study Group set up by the Planning
Commission did not make any proposal
to give Rs. 1 * 50 crores to the Kerala
Government for the reorganisation of
the coir industry. However, a request
for the grant of a soft-loan of Rs. 1 * 50
crores for revitalising the coir industry
in Kerala was received from the State
Government. The proposal sent by the
State Government mainly related to re-
vitalising 25 cooperative societies. De-
tailed steps proposed to be taken to
ensure that the societies would become
viable and credit worthy had not been
indicated. The State Government was
informed that unless future viability and
satisfactory working of the societies was
ensured, interim assistance would not
be of abiding value. It was proposed to
send a team of officers to discuss the
matter in detail, but the State Govern-
ment have not accepted this proposal.

Rehabilitation of Oustees of Pong
Dam

3145. SHRI PRABODH CHAN-
DRA: Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) how Government propose to reha-
bilitate the skilled and unskilled labour
that will become surplus with the com-
pletion of Pong Dam;

(b) whether thousands of oustees of
Pong Dam are not yet settled in the
Rajasthan Canal area as was decided at
the time of the construction of the dam;
and

At present so far as possible the work-
men rendered surplus at Pong Dam
(Beas Project Unit-II) are being accom-
modated against vacancies on Unit-I of
the Project. Efforts will also be made to
obtain 'preferential treatment for the
workers of this Project for appointment
in similar other projects irr the region
as far as possible.

• » • ? •

(b) and (c). There has been some de-
lay in the rehabilitation of oustees on
account of divergence of views between
Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh on
matters relating to eligibility of oustees
for allotment of land in Rajasthan Canal
area. The matter has been almost resol-
ved and it would now be possible to
expedite the movement of the oustees
from Pong Dam Area to Rajasthan.

Decision taken to construct
Thein-Dam

3146. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state:

(a) whether any definite decisions has
beenTaken for the construction of Them
Dam; and

(b) if so, the time by which Govern-
ment expect to start the work?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)

and (b). It has been decided that a Dam
on a river Ravi will be constructed at
Thein, but there are some inter-state as-
pects of the Project, which are yet to be
settled among the concerned States.
These matters are still under discussion
with the States.

Indian Handicrafts Emporia Abroad

3147. SHRI PRABODH CHAND-
RA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be ple&sed to state the names
of the countries in which emporia of
Indian handicrafts have been opened and
what is the financial position of these
emporia?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : Hie Handi-
crafts & Handlooms Exports Corpora-
tion runs four “SON A” shops abroad
which , also sell Indian Handicrafts.
These are located at New York, Boston,
Nairobi and Paris. The profit/loss

135 Avwr-iir'iiia^ ■foAmm m

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Wd»)

1968-69

1969-70

1970-71

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Completion of Pavilions ot Aslan Fair

3148. SHRI PRABODH CHAND-
RA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state:

(a) whether a number of pavilions
in the Asian Fair proposed to be held
1972 have not been constructed accor-
ding to the time schedule; and

(b) if so, what steps Government
propose to take to complete these pavi-
lions in time ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Govern-
ment has no information on die subject,

(b) Does not arise.

purchase of Cotton from open market
by Government run Mills

3150. SHRI HARI KISHORE
SINGH : WiU the Minister of
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to
state :

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b).

All the Fair Organisation’s construc-
tions are going according to schedule.
Out of ninety-six participant pavilions,
eighty-three are under construction and
the remaining are at various stages of
finalisation of their plans & contracts.
They have been asked to expedite their
work and we do not anticipate diffi-
culties in completion of these pavilions
in time.

(a) whether the Cotton Corporation
of India imports nearly Rs. 130 crorea
worth of ootton per annum ;

(b) whether “sick” cotton mills run
by Government buy cotton from open
market and not from the Cotton Corpo-
ration ;

(d) whether there is any proposal to
change this policy ?

Impact on Indo-Bangladesh Jute Trade
Consequent on China’s offer to buy
Jute from Bangladesh

3149. SHRI HARI KISHORE
SINGH : Will the Minister of
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether China has offered to buy

S tbstaptial quantity of raw jute from
angladesh at a higher price than the
prevailing international price ; and

(b) if so, the likely impact of this
move on Indo-Bangladesh trade and the
steps taken by Government in this
regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir.
During current cotton year the Cotton
Corporation had imported foreign cot-
ton of the value of Rs. 56.76 crorea
upto July, 1972.

(b) The mills being run by the
National Textile Corporation have been
advised, other things being equal, to buy
cotton from the Cotton Corporation of
India.

(c) and (d). On purely economic
grounds, the mills would buy cotton
from the open market, if it is available
at cheaper rates.

13V Writ mAMtrtU SRAVANA 31, 1$W (SAKA) WrUteuAmwm 138

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for

Maltin'! Light

3151.

IfJDRAltr GUPTA :
SAMAR GUHA :

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the West Bengal State
Government has requested the Centre to
send a team of Railway experts to advise
and assist them in matter of reopening
die Martin’s Light Railway ;

(b) if so, the progress made in this
regard ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes.

(b) A Committee of Experts has
since been set up by the Eastern Rail-
way. The Committee has been asked
to expedite the report.

Late running of trains and over-
crowding in Bandel Katwa sub-
urban section (Eastern Railway)

3152. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether representations have
been received on behalf of a number of
Railway passengers associations regard-
ing the neglect of the Bandel-Katwa
Suburban section of Eastern Railway
(Howrah Division), resulting in late
running and over-crowding; and

(b) the action being taken to intro-
duce shuttle services between Bandel
and Katwa ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY RAILWAYS (SHRI
MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI) : (a) Yes.

(b) 47 Up/48 Dn. Bandel-Katwa
Locals which were cancelled from 12th
December, 1971 for movement of high
priority traffic during Emergency have
been re-introduced from 1st August,
1972.

KUctrificntlon and Doubting of die
Dawk of the BmdeUbtfwa Sabnrtm
Section (Eastern Railway)

3153. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) the reasons for non-electrification
of Bandel-Katwa Suburban Section of
Eastern Railway ;

(b) whether pending electrification,
Diesel Engine is proposed to be intro-
duced ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) ; (a) An examina-
tion of the existing and anticipated
traffic on the Bandel-Katwa section
reveals that the existing as well as the
anticipated traffic at the end of 1973-74
and even beyond can be easily worked
with the existing mode of traction. As
such, electrification of the section is
not considered justified from the econo-
mic as well as operational point of view
in the near future.

(b) Not at present.

(c) There is no traffic justification
for doubling the track as sufficient
spare capacity exists to cater for the
anticipated increase in traffic, if any, in
the near future.

Action taken .against. Firms for not
meeting Export Obligations

3154. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the firms who did not
meet their export obligations in 1970-71
and 1971-72 have been prosecuted ; and

(b) if not, the .reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
The information is being collected and
will be placed on the Table of the
House.

Export of Lenses for Spectacles

3155. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY :
Will ffie Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

WrtttarAnswerh

AUGUST 12, 1972

Wrttten-Antwtrk 140

’ (a) whether India Hut started the
dxport of lenses for spectacle to foreign
countries ; * *

<b) if sot the names, of the countries
tb which the lenses are exported ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TUB
MINISTRY OF . FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE^ : (a) Separate
trade statistics of lenses .are not main-
tained. However, Optical ‘'elements,
Unmounted which includes lenses for
spectacles have been exported.

(b) and (c). Export of “Optical ele-
ments, unmounted” is given in the state-
ment enclosed.

STATiUKHT

(Value in Rs. ’ooo’
Quantity in Nos.)

Na^np.of , the
Country

1969-70

1970 71

1971-79

Qty.

Value

Oft-

Value

Qty. Value

(upto Feb.* 72)

.South YemaijPfto-

. pies Republic .

7 °

283

■ •

• •

‘B&hrein Is. . %

98b

• •

..Nigeria

988

• •

• «

• •

Ethiopia . .

» *

• •

216

• •

••

, 1

Lebanon • •

• •

216

0.2

Total

638

499

216

0.2

Export of Tea, Coffee and Jnte

‘3156. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY :
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE
be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the countries to
which India exported tea, coffee and
‘jute during the years 1970-71 and 1971-
72 •*

(b) the quantity and the value of the
exports made during the said period ;

'and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) The
. following are the principal countries to
which India exported tea, coffee and jute
during 1970-71 and 1971-72

Ted:

U.K., U.S.S.R., Afghanistan, Sudan,
Egypt, U.S.A., Irish Republic, Iraq,
Poland, Canada, West Germany, Nether-
lands, Australia, Iran, Jordan and
Tunisia.

Coffee :

(A) U.S.A. and Canada.

(B) Countries of West Europe inclu-

ding U.K., European Economic
Community, Scandinavian

countries and European Free
Trade Association countries.

(C) East European countries of
U.S.S.R., Poland, Hungary,
Rumania, German Democratic
Republic, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia
and Czecbolsovakia.

(D) Oceania.

(E) Middle East Countries.

(F) Far East countries.

141 Written Awwer*

SRAYANA 31,1 894 (SAKA)

Written Answerk 142

.Jfawjute :

m During 1970-71: Belgium; Fiji, Islands,
U.K, andU. S.S.R
• During 1971-72: Australia, Belgium,
Bulgaria, Germany
(West), Italy, Ja-
pan, Morocco,

Spain, Sweden,

Uganda, U. K.,
U. S. A. and U.S.

S. R.

Quantity

Valuel

Tea

(in th.
tonnes)

(inRs ./
crores)

1970-71 •

. 205.04

1 53*57

1971-72®

Coffee

. 218.15

162.38®

1970-71 .

31-875

23 99

1971-72 .

Raw Jute

38.459

23 87

1970-71 .

. 17.452 4 -i<f

1971-72 .
(Apnl-Fcb.’l

24.893

. 8.64

Quantity
(m th.
tonnes)

Value .
(in Rs./
crores) .

Tea

220*

1577*

•Coffee .

40.9

24-54

Raw Jute

. Exports will be limi-
ted to small quan-
tities provided in
the Trade Plans
with U. S. S. R.
and Poland.

Export orders for Indian Carpets

3157. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA :
SHRI C. K. JAFFER
SHARIEF :

. Will the Minister ■ of ■ FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) Whether there is a good demand
for Indian carpets in foreign countries;

(b) if so, the value of orders receiv-
ed by Government for the current year
and the amount of foreign exchange
likely to be earned during this year ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY. OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes,

Stir. .

' (b) The Government does not
receive any orders. However, according
to information received from the trade
and other sources, it is expected that
exports of woollen carpets, rugs and
druggets etc. may reach around
Rs. 18.50 crores during 1972-73.

Statement

Country-wise Exports of Woollen Carpels, Rugs and Druggets
Including namdahs

(Rs. in lakhs)

Country 1969-70 1970-71 1971-72

(April-Dee.

* . *970

Europe :

1. Belgium-Luxumbourg 27.41 39-97 23-88

2. France 18.87 19 96 11.62

3. West Germany ...... 123.00 199-55 3*2 - 2 3

@ Provisional.

•This is subject to export quota restrictions that may be imposed by ad hoc arran-
gements under the Food and Agricultural Organisation.

143 WritHmAiurreH

AUGUST 22, 1072

Wrtttm Asm*rt 144

Coutry

1969-70

197 °* 7 >

1971/72

(April-Dee.

1970

4 * Italy •

•

6-55

8.35

7.05

5' Netherlands

•

*0.37

20.18

24.81

6. Denmark v

•

12.38

9-54

7.l6

7- Sweden

•

16.99

15.07

15-58

8- Switzerland .

•

6.I4

14-39

10.49.

9 - U.K.

•

183.78

183-49

120.20

ro. U.S.S.R.

•

■

•

14.40

8.25

61, 49.

ECAFE Region :

zi. Australia

•

74.64

90.05

61.76

12- Hong Kong

•

0.48

1 .84

0-53

13- Japan

•

2.60

4-16

5-33

14. Malaysia

•

0-34

O.46

0.60

13* Singapore .

•

582

3-13

2.lf>

West Asia :

16 Aden .

•

0.23

0.07

o.osr

17 Kuwait

•

O.49

0.86

0-43

18 Lebanon

•

0-57

1.22

1 .80

19 Saudi Arabia

•

o-45

0.05

0.16

America :

ao U.S.A.

•

461 .24

360.08

257.61

21 Canada

•

♦

•

168.75

90.22

58.18

22 Other countries

•

Total

—

23.90

1,169.40

23.41

1,094.30

19*25

1,002.34

Recovery of Ballot Papers for
1971 Lok Sabtaa Poll from a Dealer

3158. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN
MISHRA :

SHRI RAM PRAKASH :

Will the Minister of LAW AND
JUSTICE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention
has been drawn to the disclosure made

in the Maharashtra Assembly on June,
26, 1972 as reported in the “Free Press
JournaT’ dated the 27th June, 1972
that a large number of ballot papers for
the 1971 poll to the Lok Sabha were
recovered from a dealer ; and

(b) if so, the action taken to trace
the origins of these ballot papers and
the reaction of Central Government
thereto?

14$. WrttmAmm SRAVANA 31. ltt* (SAKA) Writum Answers 146

JNHBfr 8 iBftJB

JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH
CHAV&HARY) i (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The matter is being got investi-
gated by the Election Commission.

Pnl?lfc Sector help for Export Houses

3159. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : WiH the Minister of
FOREIGN TRAPE be pleased tp state :

(a) whether Government have drawn
up any scheme under which public
sector will help the export houses ;

(b) if so, the outlines thereof; and

refer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 1394 on the 8th August,
1972 and state the recommendations
made by the Cyclone Distress Mitiga-
tion Committee?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : In
their report, the Cyclone Distress Miti-
gation Committee, Orissa have made 59
recommendations. These relate to :

(1) Meteorological organisation for
the detection and tracking of cyclonic
storms ;

(2) Dissemination of meteorological
warnings ;

(3) Cyclone Distress Mitigation
Measures ;

wi3tSJ?5 Pl,Ty MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

(4) Model cyclone plan ; and

(5) Machinery for implementation of
the various Cyclone Distress Mitigation
measures.

Flood Control Scheme of Brahman! and
Baitarani Rivers and irrigation plan for
Orissa

rui»; CHINTAMANI PANI-
Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether any scheme relating to
flood control of Brahmani and Baitarani
rivers and a Rs. 135 crores — Irrigation
rian for Orissa was discussed at the
Snnagar Conference of State Irrigation
and Power Ministers; and

if w, the outcome of the discus*

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B N KUREELJ W
and (b). No specific flood control and
irrigation schemes were discussed at the
£“ fer \n*°f the State Irrigation and

JuM? r i972 Mter eW " Srinagar “

Reco mmen dations nude by die Cyclone
Distress Mitigation Committee

GrIht *58! ^{NIAMANI PANI-
£RAHI ; Will the Minister of IRRIGA-

HON and POWER be pleased to

, me important specific recommenda-
tions made by the Committee are given
in the Statement laid on the Table of

LT ^474/72] aCed ™ L ' brary - See No.

Implementation of recommendations
made by the Ministers’ Committee on
Floods and Flood Relief by Orissa
Government

3162. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI ; Will the Minister of IRRIGA-
TION AND POWER be pleased to
refer to reply to Unstarred Question
No. 1964 given on 4th April, 1972
regarding Reports of Committee on
Floods and Flood Relief and state
whether the recommendations made by
the Minister’s Committee on Floods and
Flood Relief are being implemented by
Orissa Government?

wi£ ffi..P EPUTY MINISTER in the
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The
report of the Ministers’ Committee on
Roods and Rood Relief was sent to the
ffat® Government of Orissa in April
1972 for taking appropriate action on
the recommendation made by the Com-
fflittee. The State Government have
been requested to intimate the progress
taken by the end of August

147

Written Answers

AUGUSf 22, 1972

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Tobacco Board

3164. SHRI RAMKANWAR: Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government contem-
plate formation of a Tobacco-Board ;

(b) if so, the functions and the
constitution of the Board ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (c).
Yes, Sir. It has been decided to set up
Tobacco Marketing Board for flue
cured Virginia Tobacco. The constitu-
tion, functions etc. of the Board are yet
to be finalised.

Lifting of Ban on Twtfhm l.

Nepal .

3165. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR :

SHRI B. K. DASCHOW-
DHURY:

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Nepal has lifted the ban,
imposed in October, 1968,. on the
import of Indian cigarettes ;

(b) if so, the present position in
regard to export of cigarettes to Nepal ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 1HB
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
Under the current policy of Govern-
ment of Nepal, import of only three
brands of Indian cigarettes is permit*"' 1
from India. The question of revising
this policy has been taken up with them.

(c) Since payments for trade
exchanges between India and Nepal are
not made in free foreign exchange, the
question of earning free foreign
exchange on export of Indian cigarettes
to Nepal does not arise.

Export of Engineering Goods through
Projects and Equipment Corporation

3166. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR :

SHRI RAMAVATAR SHAS-
TRI :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Projects and Equip-
ment Corporation of India had succeed-
ed in doubling the export of engineering
goods during 1971-72 ;

(b) if so, the volume of exports made
in the last two years ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b).
The Projects and Equipment Corpora-
tion was set up in April, 1971. In the
very first year of their operation, i.e.
1971-72, their- share in the total export,

149 JVritten 4nwers SRAVANA 31,

of o&gipeeriBg goods (estimated at about
Rs,,125 crores) amounted to Rs. 15.37
croies.

(c) The Projects and Equipment
Corporation has shown active interest
in turnkey projects pertaining to rail-
way systems, textile and industrial
plants.

Shipment of Iron and Manganese Ore

3167. SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) the figures of export of iron ore
and manganese ore during 1970-71 and
1971-72 ;

(b) by how much they have fallen
behind the contracted and scheduled
quantities in each of these years and
the foreign exchange loss resulting
thereby ;

(c) whether the unshipped quantities
stand cancelled or the buyers have
agreed for a carry-over of these short-
shipments to the current year over and
above this year’s commitments ; and

(d) the steps taken to ensure that
the entire quantity is shipped during
this year?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) India
exported 20.8 million tonnes of Iron
Ore in 1970-71 and 20.9 million tonnes
in 1971-72. Exports of manganese ore
duiing the years 1970-71 and 1971-72
were 16.80 lakh tonnes and 11.85 lakh
tonnes respectively.

(b) Actual exports by the MMTC
fell short of scheduled quantities by 8%
in 1970-71 and 9% in 1971-72 in the
case of iron ore and by 13% and 33%
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 respectively
in the case of manganese ore. Foreign
Exchange therefore were less by Rs. 4
crores and Rs. 6 crores in 1970-71 and
1971-72 in the case of iron ore and
Rs. 2.27 crores and Rs. 5.40 crores
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 respec-
tively in the case of manganese ore.
Information relating to Goan Shippers
in regard to iron ore and Manganese
Ore India Ltd. in respect of maganese
ore is not available.

1894 (SAKA) Written 4nsweej 150

(d) Some of the important steps taken
to increase the exports are improvement
in mining, supply of more wagons for
transport, increase in rail capacity and
provision of mechanical loading at
ports etc.

Flood forecasting arrangements at Sisa-

pani and Barahaksetra in Nepal

3168. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
WiU the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether any flood forecasting
arrangements have been made at Sisa-
pani and Barahaksetra in Nepal for the
rivers Kamala and Koshi and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
and (b). There is no flood forecasting
arrangement either at Sisapani or at
Barahaksetra. The Bihar Government
are however operating a wireless station
at Barahaksetra for the transmission of
gauge and discharge data to Birpur
tor the operation of Kosi Barrage.

Complaints regarding graft charges
against officers of Godavari Barrage
Project

3169. SHRI RAM PRAKASH: Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have
received complaints of graft charges
against certain officers of Godavari
Barrage Project ;

Cb) whether Government had refer-
red these charges to Anti-corruption
Bureau for investigation; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
to (c). Irrigation is a State Subject and
the execution of the Godavari Barrage
Project is the sole responsibility of the
Government of Andhra Pradesh. The
Government of India brought to the
notice of the State Government the poor
quality of work being done in the bar-
rage, and allegations against existing
set-up of officers. The State Govern-
ment were requested to review the posi-
tion and post an entirely new group of

151 Written Answers

AUOUS t 22, 1912

WtittihAntfoers lft

officers with strict instructions to execute
the work with full attention to quality
eontroL

Controversy over administrative control
of Bharat Heavy Electricals and Heavy
Electricals Ltd.

3170. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a controversy
between his Ministry and Industrial
Development Ministry over the question
of administrative control of Bharat
Heavy Electricals and Heavy Electrical
Ltd. ;

(b) whether Government have consi-
dered the recommendation made by the
recent Conference of State Ministers of
Irrigation and Power that the adminis-
trative control of these two industries
should be transferred to Ministry of
Irrigation and Power ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
to (c). Tne Ministry of Irrigation and
Power is in correspondence with the
Ministry of Industrial Development
about the administrative control of the
Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. and the
Heavy Electricals (India) Ltd.

Free Railway Passes to Employees to
travel from suburban residence to place
of duty

3171. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the employees of Central
and Western Railways get free Railway
passes to travel from their suburban
residence to their place of duty ;

(b) whether their counterparts
working in Northern Railway get such
passes on payment only ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes, in speci-
fied sections.

(b) On Northern Railway free resi-
dential card passes are permissible in

the t)eihi=Shakufhasti and
gahj-Tilak Bridge Sections. In other
Suburban Sections, the facility of cdn»
cessional season tickets is available.

(e) Free Railway passes have been
granted in suburban sections only where
such facilities were in force prior to
14-12-1953.

Recognition of North FHIem
Railway Mazdoor Union

3172. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a representation had
been made to the Railway Minister on
13th May, 1972 about some persons
getting recognition by the Railway
Administration (North Eastern Railway)
impersonating in the name of the North
Eastern Railway Mazdoor Union and
the Railway Minister had assured to
refer the matter to the Law Department
to ascertain if the correction can be
made at that stage, if so, the result
thereof, and

(b) whether the impersonators had
secured illegal registration at Patna in
the name of the North Eastern Railway
Mazdoor Union which is already regis-
tered at Kanpur, if so, Government’s
reaction thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). A
rift developed within the North Eastern
Railway Mazdoor Union in August,
1965. Since then two groups of that
Union have been functioning under the
same name. For some time, the
Administration did not deal with either
of the groups.

Towards the middle of 1970, one
group was granted facilities to deal with
the Administration. That group has got
itself registered under the same name
with the Registrar of Trade Unions
Bihar, Patna. This registration was
cancelled by the Registrar of Trade
Unions, Bihar, on 14-7-1972, but the
operation of that Order has been stayed
by the District Judge, Patna.

The other group has been claiming
recognition and on 13-5-1972, some
persons met the Minister for Railways.
After discussion, the Minister for Rail-
ways stated that since important legal
issues were involved, he will seek legal
advice. The ifcatter is receiving consi-
deration. This group contlfittea to be

ask WritmMama SRAYANA 31, ff*f (J5AKA) WMmAluwtrS 154

fai.tera d with the Registrar of Trade
r jBons. U.P., Kanpur till recently.
Bgwwtti the Registrar of Trade Unions,
U.p. baa cancelled the registration on
"31-7-1972.

Faulty CompBaflon of Export
Dote forl971-72

3173. SHR1 N. K. SANGHI :

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :

Will the Minister of FOREIGN
TRADE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government's attention
has been drawn to the news item
appearing in the 'Statesman' dated the
27th July, 1972 under the caption
"Compilation of export data faulty” ;

(b) if so, the quantum of actual
■exports and the quantum of exports
according to the figures compiled by the
Director General of Commercial Intelli-
gence and Statistics; and

(c) the steps being envisaged to
streamline the procedure to ensure that
■correct statistics are maintained to faci-
litate proper planning ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes,

Sir.

(b) India’s exports including re-
exports during April-December, 1971
according to the DGCI&S’s initial com-
pilations amounted to Rs. 1194 crores
but subsequently this figure was revised
to Rs. 1153 crores and the figures of
exports for the year 1971-72 was placed
at Rs. 1567 crores. Recently it has
however been discovered that substantial
exports to Bangladesh were not included
in these figures. This matter is being
investigated further.

Wagon deal with Yugoslavia

3174. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

’(a) whether Railway wagon deal to
supply 3600 units to Yugoslavia has run
into rough weather and that Yugoslavia
is likely to invoke the penalty provisions
for late supply of wagons by India ;

(b) whether Government have made
sure that the agencies entrusted with the
manufacture or wagons are supplied

with necessary raw materials id time for
competing the job as per schedule j

(c) whether the State Trading Corpo-
ration before completing the deal had
finalised contracts with agencies in
Yugoslavia for assembling the wagons
exported to Yugoslavia in knocked-
down condition and whether penalty
provisions are incorporated in the con-
tracts ; and

(d) whether the agencies in India and
Yugoslavia will share any part of penalty
in case Yugoslavia enforoes the penalty
Provisions, if any, in the agreement ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Con-
tractually, delivery of wagons is to
start in January/February, 1973. As
such, the invoking of penalty provisions
at this stage does not arise. However,
three of the wagon builders have not yet
finalised their contracts with Yugoslav
assemblers for assembly of wagons.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) Alongwith signing the wagon
Contract, the main points regarding
assembly including detailed technical
operations, price, delivery schedule,
broad payment terms etc., were settled
and Protocols signed. Formal assembly
contracts on the basis of the Protocols
including mutual penalty provisions
were to be finalised by the wagon
builders individually.

(d) For Indian default, penalties will
be borne by Indian agencies concerned.
For Yugoslav default, Yugoslav agencies
have accepted penalties in proportion to
the value of work done by them.

Indo-Sudan Trade Agreement

3175. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Indb-Sudan trade has
come to a stand-still ;

(b) if so, whether both the countries
have fulfilled their respective obligations
under the agreement reached last year;

(c) if not, the unfulfilled obligations
of either country and what steps are
being taken to ensure that the agreement
is fully complied with ; and

(d) whether some Indian exporters
to Sudan are not able to discharge the
commitments already made 7

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AUGUST 22, 1972

Written Answers 1SS

TUB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
(SHRl A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (d)
India dnd Sudan have U nilateral Trade
arrangement under whieh the trade bet-
ween the two countries is conducted
through a non-covertible Special Ac-
counts maintained by the State Bank
of India, Bombay. This Trade Arrange-
ment is valid for the period 1st July
1971 to 31st December, 1972.

2. Under the current Trade Arrange-
ment, a ceiling of pound 28.8 million
was provided for Sudanese imports from
India as against their exports of pounds
33 milion. These ceilings were meant
for the entire duration of the Trade
Arrangement. On the other hand, we
realized in the end of June 1972 that
the Sudanese side had already exceeded
the overall ceiling of pounds 28.8 mil-
lion worth of imports from India. This
created a situation in which there were
still six months of the current Trade
Plan to go and no finances were availa-
ble within the Trade Plan for further
Sudanese imports from India. Since we
had already fulfilled our obligation of
supplying them specified goods from
India worth pounds 28.8 milion and as
there were no more funds available, we
had to put a temoporary halt on further
exports of goods from India to Sudan.
On the other hand, Sudan has so far
supplied us cotton worth only about
pounds 20 million. We are in constant
touch with the Sudanese Government
and are hopeful of sorting out soon
these difficulties which have crept into
the working of the Indo-Sudanese Trade
Arrangement. For this purpose, we
are expecting a Sudanese Trade Delega-
tion in New Delhi soon so that the
smooth flow of trade between the two
countries can be resumed.

Supply of electricity to Uttar Pradesh

3176. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased tb state :

(a) whether Government propose to
take some special measures for supplying
electricity to the Districts of Uttar
Pradesh identified as industrially back-
ward ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the
proposal ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)

and (b) Schemes for electrification of
backward districts are already being
financed through loans from the Rural
Electrification Corporation on more
liberal terms than for other areas.

For the industrially backward districts
of Eastern U.P., a special power gene-
ration scheme has been proposed with a
2X200 MW power station at Gorakh-
pur. The first 200 MW set is proposed
to be commissioned in the Fifth Five
Year Plan.

Railway attendant of the Delhi-Round
Lucknow Express thrown out of the
compartment

3177. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of RAIL-
WAYS be pleased to state :

(a) whether a Railway attendant of
the Delhi-bound Lucknow Express was
thrown out of the compartment on 1st
June, 1972;

(b) if so, whether any arrest has so
far been made in this connection ; and

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes.

(h) and (c) 3 accused were involved
in this case. Of these one died while
jumping out of the train, second accused
was arrested and the third surrendered
in Court. The case is under investiga-
tion with Government Railway Police,
Lucknow.

Dharna by the employees of Delhi Elec-
tric Supply undertaking

3178. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether workers of the Delhi
Electric Supply Undertaking recently
staged ‘dharna’ outside the office of the-
DESU, New Delhi ; and

(b) if so, the main demands of the
workers and Government’s reaction
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
and (b) The General Council of the 1
Delhi State Electricity Workers Union in:

15 jjf Re ; Incidents SR A VAN A

its meeting held on 24th July, 1972
decided to staged Dhama for 48 hours
from 8*00 AM on the 26th July, 1972
for alleged non-fulfilment of the fol-
lowing demands : —

1 . Constitution of State Electricity
Board.

2. Filling of the vacant posts.

3. Promotions as per agreed chan-
nel of promotions.

4. Revision of pay scales of the
remaining categories.

5. Removal of bi-monthly billing
system.

6. Proper implementation of the
various office orders issued by
the General Manager, etc. etc.

While demand No. (1) above is under
consideration of the Government of
India, the DESU Management held a
meeting with the Worker’s Union on
3-8-72, when some of the other points
were settled. The DESU Management
is doing everything possible to consider
the demands of the Union.

Cot lpletion of Mahanadi Project
(Orissa)

3179. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of IRRI-
GATION AND POWER be pleased to
stale :

(a) the time by which the Mahanadi
Project (Orissa) is likely to be comple-
ted ; and

(b) the total cost of the project ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a)
The Mahanadi Delta project of Orissa
is likely to be completed towards the
end of the fifth Plan.

(b) Rs. 68.38 crores.

12 His.

RE: INCIDENTS AT SHAHDARA

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Nitiraj Singh
Ghoudhary.

SOME HON. MEMBERS Rose.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :
The Home Minister made a state-
ment. • •

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia-
mond Harbour): About the adjourn-
ment motion I am told that it has
not been allowed. Will you allow it.
Sir ? . . . ( Interruptions ) We had been
to Shahdara this morning and we have
seen the atrocities the Police have
committed there. We had been there
for three hours. What we have seen
is a shame for any civilisation and that
too, right under the nose of the Cen-
tral Government. I have written to
you a letter.

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Yester-
day you were kind enough to give us
permission but we could not muster
50 Members. Our leader Shri Indrajit
Gupta had been there yesterday. We
have received numerous complaints
from the Government employees stay-
ing there. We have heard about these
police atrocities and we have seen what
is being done there, Sir. Even women
have been beaten up mercilessly. I
would request you to ask the Minister
to make a statement so that on the
basis of such a statement we can dis-
cuss this matter.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali-
pore) : It is true that the Minister
announced on the floor of both the
Houses yesterday that a judicial enquiry
had been ordered into all these aspects
of the events except the murder. Ap-
pointment of judicial enquiry, I submit,
does not preclude discussion in the
House. May I point out to you. Sir,
a precedent in this regard? If you
remember, Sir, a few years back, when
the Maharaja of Bastar was killed in
his palace in Jagdalpur in Madhya
Pradesh, a judicial enquiry was order-
ed, but, in spite of that, the House did
discuss the whole matter. It is very
extrordinary if these events take place
here in the capital city of India and
the Lok Sabha is not in a position to
discuss it in any shape or form. This
is a very strange thing. You yourself
was very disturbed on it and quite
correctly and what is the use of order-
ing a judicial enquiry when the atro-
cities are still going* on, Sir? J had

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bent there yesterday i afternoon; they
are beating people mi^scriminately. It
fe my submiision that the House must
be allowed to discuSt this matter in
some shape or form, Sir.

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MR. SPEAKER : It is unfortunate.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A
letter was delivered at your residence,
pointing out certain things; I have no
doubt you would have been kind
enough to go through that. I had been
there in Balbimagar area for 3 hours;
I had been to the hospital. I have
never before seen such police atrocities.
They had raided house to house; they
did not spare women, old persons, and
even children. It is strange that Lok
Sabha cannot discuss such a matter.
Judicial enquiry is not sub-judice ,
number one. Judicial enquiiy is one
covering the death of Mr. Onkar
Singh. But, the police atrocities is a
matter which should be discussed here.

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SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: How
can we elicit information unless you
allow some kind of a discussion?

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Cantai) : If
this dastardly thing, happening in the
very capital of our country, is going
on and if this august House is not
being given the opportunity to discuss,
it what will be the effect, what will be
the impression that the people will
have, Sir?

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is also
your responsibility Sir, to see that such
a matter is allowed to be discussed in
the House in some form or the other.
The Minister may make a statement
and on the basis of the statement the
discussion may be held or on some
Motion the discussion can be held. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Under
Rule 180.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : When this matter was
raised yesterday, Government announc-
ed that they were going to. appoint a
judicial enquiry. Is it your pleasure
to let the matter rest at what the Gov-
ernment had said about it» or should
the House be seized of the matter — be-
cause of the seriousness of the matter —
in some form or other early so, that a
discussion could take place? There is
no point in discussing this matter
after two days or three days. Why

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cflbuot we proceed to have a discussion
on this matter here and now even
though the Adjournment Motion was
aoft allowed by you?

MR. SPEAKER : Regarding the
Adjournment Motion yesterday, I
fulfilled all the requirements. The
otdy reason it could not come up is,
you could not muster enough strength.
Otherwise you did have enough time.
Even after Question Hour you were
insisting. Even after waiting for about
an hour, you could not muster enough
strength.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Do
you know the reason, Sir?

MR. SPEAKER : I am not bound
to know the reason; I have to count
your heads.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr.
Manoharan is in Willingdon hospital
and Members went to the hospital
yesterday. , .

MR. SPEAKER : Anybody may fall
ill; that is not an argument. Can we
wait till Mr. Manoharan is enabled to
come over here? That is not a relevant
point. I allowed it, in the meawhile,
after the count the Minister came out
with the statement that they had al-
ready instituted a judicial enquiry into
the matter. I have read the procedure
aqjain and the old rulings on the sub-
ject. Of course the case of murder is
bound to be Mib-judice when the
magistrate takes charge of the affairs.
I agree with you on one thing. We
have to think of some means by which
the facts may come before the House.
The Minister should come with some
factual statement avoiding any matter
which may influence the judicial en-
quiry. Even if we allow any discus^
sion, that is not permissible, because of
this decision already taken for the
judicial enquiry. If he comes out with
a factual statement, I think, it will be
all right

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: With
all due respect to you, Sir, may I
make a submission? What you are
saying just now would have created
yesterday a very anomalous position,
because the hon. Minister announced
the decision for a judicial inquiry
before you had asked us to rise in
our seats. If only two more Mem-
bers had been present yesterday, the
discussion would have taken place in
spite of the hon. Minister's announce-
ment

MR SPEAKER: I had allowed it
because at that time, I bad given my
consent already; after I bad given xhy
consent if the hon. Minister had
come forward with some announce*
ment I could not take back my con-
set • because of that, and therefore I
allowed a voting on it

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Are
ou aware of the fact that after the
on. Minister had made the statement
in the House, the police had raided
houses in the afternoon. . .

MR. SPEAKER: I would request
the hon. Minister to make an inquiry
into that and make a factual statement
about it.

SHRI VASANT SAIHE (Akola):
If there is a discussion in the House,
it would certainly prejudice the judicial
inquiry.- So, what is the point in dis-
cussing the matter?

MR: SPEAKER: The Secretaiy has
just informed me that the hon. Minister
has already accepted a short notice
question over it. I shall be quite
liberal in allowing supplementary
questions.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about
the point raised by me regarding mis-
reporting of the proceedings of this
House by All India Radio?

MR. SPEAKER : I have nothing
before me in writing.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
My hon. friend may give it in writing.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After
the hon. Minister had made a statement
here, in the afternoon, between 1 p.m.
and 3 p.m., the police had raided the
houses in certain areas in Shahdara.
It is a serious matter. We cannot
allow the police to assume the role of
beating up and breaking the heads of
men, women and children. When such
a thing is happening, we cannot re-
main silent spectators and abide by the
rules. I am very sorry to say this.
You must allow us to have a discussion
on this.

MR. SPEAKER : How can I allow
it?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Let
there be a discussion. Let the House
and whole world know how civilised
this Government is. We have already
tabled a motion. Why are you reluc-
tant to allow a discussion on that
motion?

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : A short
notice question is no answer to the
seriousness of the problem. . .

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
This is an anti-climax that only a
short notice question should be allow-
ed on a subject of such great public
importance. This is an anti-climax.
( Interruptions ) .

MR. SPEAKER : There is no ques-
tion of any discussion. A factual
statement will be given before the
House and then hon. Members can
ask questions on it.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We
want a regular detailed discussion. . .

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not try
to make out as if some discussion is
stifled. The very first opportunity was
given to hon. Members to bring this
up. In spite of the fact that there was
opposition from the Treasury Benches,
and from the Ministers, I allowed it.
After that, the only possible thing is,
and I have already laid it before you,
that after the judicial inquiry,
the scope becomes vfcry limited, and it
becomes only a factual statement. The
short notice question is already there,
and hon. Members can ask questions
on the factual position tomorrow.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What
you arc saying, Sir, is not right. . .

MR. SPEAKER: Let him not do it
every time.

MR. SPEAKER : That is not tb$
way of doing things. . . "

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I may
tell you that the judicial inquiry is
being held to go into the question of
the murder of Shri Onkar Singh, Home
Guard officer. The judicial inquiry
does not cover the beating up of the
people of Shahdara. We are concern-
ed about this; we are more concerned
about the raids conducted by the
police. . .

MR. SPEAKER : That inquiry is
about everything. . .

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : We do
not even know the scope of the judicial
inquiry. The hon. Minister has not
indicated that.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Is it your pleasure that the important
and urgency of this matter does not
warrant anything more than a short
notice question?

MR SPEAKER : When the short
notice question comes up and the hon.
Minister replies to the question, he
may ask anything on it.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
A short notice question is a mockery.
That means belittling the importance
of the subject, and we may have to
think of denying ourselves the short
notice question. It is no use participat-
ing in the short notice question on this
subject.

Mr. SPEAKER: After the adjourn-
ment motion had been tabled, I had
allowed it, but hon. Members did not
come up with the requisite number.
Am I belittling the importance or are
the hon. Members belittling its impor-
tance? I had allowed it, because 1
thought that it was a very important
matter which must be discussed. ( In •
tet nipt ions) wSo, let not. Shri Jyotirmoy
Bosu try to justify himself in this
manner. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We
have already given notice of a motion
under rule 184.

MR. SPEAKER : Now, Papers to be
Laid on the Table.

SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU: lam
sony to say so. . .

SRAVANA 31,

12.15 bn.

PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE

Notification under Represen*
tation of People Act.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND
JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH
CHAUDHARY) : I beg to lay on the
Table a copy of Notification No. S.O.
372(E) (Hindi and English versions) pub-
lished in Gazette of India dated the 22nd
May, 1972 making certain amendment
in Schedule VII to the Delimitation of
Parliamentary and Assembly Consti-
tuencies Order, 1966 in respect of the
Statje of Kerala, under sub-section (2)
of faction 9 of the Representation of
the People Act, 1950. [Placed in
Library. See No. LT— 3465/72.]

PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES
—SUMMARY OF WORK

SECRETARY: Sir, I lay on the Table
a copy of the “Parliamentary Com-
mittees — Summary of Work” pertaining
to the period March, 1971 to May,
1972.

12.16 hrs.

MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY : Sir, I hav e to
report the following messages received
from the Secretery of Rajya Sabha : —

(i) “In accordance with the provi-
sions of sub-rule (6) of rule 186
of the Rules of Procedure and
Conduct of Business in the
Rajya Sabha, I am directed to
return herewith the Income-tax
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, which
was passed by the Lok Sabha
at its sitting held on the 17th
August, 1972, and transmitted
to the Rajya Sabha for its re-
commendations and to state that
this House has no recommenda-
tions to make to the Lok
Sabha in regard to the said Bill.”

(ii) “In accordance with the pro-
visions of rule 127 of the Rules
of Procedure and Conduct of
Business in the Rajya Sabha, I
am directed to inform the Lok
Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, at

1894 (ISAKA) Rt : Tncldents 166

at Shahadra

its sitting held on the 21at
August, 1972, agreed without
any amendment to the Public
Debt (Amendment) Bill, 1972,
which was passed by the Lok
Sabha at its sitting held on the
17th August, 1972.”

SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR
GRANTS (GENERAL), 1972-73

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): I beg to
present a statement showing Supple-
mentary Demands for grants in respect
of the Budget (General) for 1972-73.

12.17 his.

RE: INCIDENTS AT SHAHDARA —

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We
are the elected representatives of the
people here, and we are coming here to
do our duty to the people. We are
not here to watch a circus show. . .

MR SPEAKER: He did not do his
duty yesterday. We know it. I have
to inform the House. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am
very sorry :

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AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ
BAHADUR) : I would certainly con-
vey your ruling to the hon. Minister
concerned that he should make a
factual statement tomorrow. If the
House be so pleased, he is also prepar-
ed to accept a short notice question
tomorrow.

167 Re : fncUenii AUGUST 22, 1*72 at Shahdara tfg

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why
not a motion under fide 184? {Inter-
ruptions).

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I shall
convey your ruling to him that he has
to make a factual statement either this
afternoon or tomorrow morning. We
can go further and we can ask him
to accept a short notice question also
and if there are any questions he may
answer them.

SHRI JAGANATHARAO JOSHI :
Why not a calling-attention-notice?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What
is wrong with a calling-attention-notice?

SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU : It is a
shameful thing that . .

MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on
record, if any hon. Member speaks
without my permission.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want
vour permission to make a submis-
sion. You had thought the subject to be
important enough to be put before the
House in the shape of an adjournment
motion so that the House could have
an opportunity to discuss it. We
thank you for that and for what you
had done yesterday. But, now, do you
realise, Sir, that after that, the atrocities
committed by the police in the after-
noon have added fuel to the fire, and
today you do not even consider it fit
enough for a substantive motion. . .

MR. SPEAKER : The House has
already given its decision on it.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: We have
already said that the hon. Minister con-
cerned will make a statement about it.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What
is your ruling, Sir, on the point that I
had raised?

MR SPEAKER : There is no ques-
tion of ruling. The House has already
rejected the adjournment; motion. After
that, there can be no scope for anything
else.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There
is another motion now.

MR. SPEAKER: I have already
allowed the short notice question, and
a factual statement in reply to that will
come tomorrow. And non. Members
can ask any number of questions.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: On a
point of order.

MR. SPEAKER : Point of order on
what?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: A point
of order on the particular ruling. . .

MR SPEAKER : This is no rating.
I have just informed hon. Members
that the decision was taken yesterday
and it was not accepted. That is no
ruling. Therefore, there is not point of
order.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You have
just said that you have allowed a short
notice question. My submission is that
a short notice question cannot be allow-
ed by the Speaker, but it has to be
allowed by the hon. Minister. . .

MR. SPEAKER: It is we who send
it to the hon. Minister. We do not
send it if it is not relevant, and then
it does not go to the hon. Minister at
all.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We
express our resentment at the attitude
shown by you.

MR. SPEAKER: Let him not make
up for his slips yesterday on this
issue. I do not allow it.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: On a point
of order. . .

MR. SPEAKER: I am on my legs.
There can be no point of order while
I am standing.

12.20 hrs.

CONVICTION OF MEMBERS

MR. SPEAKER : I have to inform
the House that I have received the
following wireless message dated 21st
August, 1972 from the District Magis-
trate, Moradabad:

“Shri Virendra Agarwala, Mem-
ber, Lok Sabha, was arrested for
violation of section 144, Criminal
Procedure Code today, at Morada-
bad, under orders of the District
Magistrate. Case tried and con-
victed under sec. 188, Indian
Penal Code, to undergo imprison-
ment till rising of Court by Magis-
trate, Moradabad, and released
after serving sentence”.

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I have also to inform the House that
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message, dated 21st August, 1972 from
the Sub-Divisional Magistrate, Banda,
Uttar Pradesh :

“Shri R. R. Sharma, Member,
Lok Sabha, who took out a pro-
cession of Jan Sangh workers in
the town, was arrested at about
12.30 hours, today” —

the same time which I had fixed for
the motion here —

“for breach of Prohibitory Orders
promulgated under section 144,
Criminal Procedure Code, in
Banda town and was convicted
under sec. 188, Indian Penal Code,
and sentenced to imprisonment
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and certain discussion takes risen on
the basis of that; be could express
certain opinion and we could also do
SO. But the scope of a short notice
question is only limited to eliciting
certain information.

MR. SPEAKER: He can ask supple*
mentaxies about the factual situation.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The state-
ment should be made by the Minister
and on the basis of that some discus-
sion should be allowed. My humble
submission to you is that you should
not back out of that suggestion.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: rose—

MR. SPEAKER : No more discus-
sion an this.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Somo
Lok Sabha Secretariat class IV em-
ployees are coming from the Shahdara
area. They are facing a lot of
difficulties because of the beating by
the police. In the case of a short
notice question, the scope and time axe
limited. You will just ring the bell
and cut short the questions. I would
request you to allow some sort of
discussion. Otherwise, it will mean
an encouragement to the Delhi police
to continue their beating of the people.

MR. SPEAKER: After the short
notice question, he may ask suppl»>
mentaries.

12.21 hra.

RE : INCIDENTS AT
SHAHDARA — Contd.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: On a point
of order. You had said that the
Minister should make a statement and
on the basis of that there might be a
factual discussion. Subsequent to that,
you said that a short notice question
is going to be admitted. Is it not a
fact that the purpose of the short
notice question is only to elicit infor-
mation, nothing more? But if a state-
ment is made on the floor of the House

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : No Minis-
ter has visited the place and seen what
is happenihg there. Does the Minister
want that the Yamuna water should
also go red ? (j Interruptions ).

MR. SPEAKER : This is a matter
in regard to which a judicial inquiry
has already been announced.

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AUGUST 22, 1972 Iron and Steal Co. tti, Bill 172

12.24 hr*.

KHADI AND OTHER HANDLOOM
INDUSTRIES DEVELOPMENT
(ADDITIONAL EXCISE DUTY ON
CLOTH) AMENDMENT BILL*

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE
TSHRI A. C. GEORGE) : On behalf of
Shri L. N. Mishra, I beg to move for
leave to introduce a Bill further to
.amend the Khadi and other Handloom
Industries Development (Additional
.Excise duty on Cloth) Act, 1953.

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That leave be granted to introduce
Bill further to amend the Khadi
and other Handloom Industries
Development (Additional Excise
duty on Cloth) Act, 1953”.

The motion was adopted.

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : I introduce t
the Bill.

12.25 hrs.

STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE DIS-
APPROVAL OF INDIAN IRON
AND STEEL COMPANY (TAKING
OVER OF MANAGEMENT)
ORDINANCE
and

INDIAN IRON AND STEEL COM-
PANY (TAKING OVER OF
MANAGEMENT) BILL — Contd.

MR. SPEAKER: The House will
now resume further discussion of the
following resolution moved by Dr. L.
N. Pandeya on 21st August 1972,
namely:

terest and in order, to secure the
proper management of the under-
taking, be taken into considera-
tion”.

Three hours had been allotted of
which 50 minutes have already been
taken.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur):
The time should be increased.

MR. SPEAKER: We will try to ad-
just.

Shri S. S. Sokhi will continue his
speech.

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"This House disapprove of the
Indian Iron and Steel Company
(Taking over of Management)
Ordinance, 1972, (Ordinance No.
6 of 1972) promulgated by the
President on the* 14th July, 1972”.

and further consideration of the follow-
ing motion moved by Shri S. Mohan
Kumaramangalam on the 2lst August
1972, namely:

“That the Bill to provide for the
taking over of the management of
tiie undertaking of the Indian Iron
and Steel Company Limited Cor a
limited period in the public in-

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur):
On a point of order. If I heard the
hon. rjiember correct, he said that he
asked one of the responsible officers of
Bokaro steel plant ‘Why are you doing
this?’ and he told him In reply, *We got
something signed by the Minister with-
out knowing what he is signing’. This
is a serious allegation. Who is that
officer? He may have differences with
Shri Kumaramangalam. But we are
sure a man of Shri Kumaramangalam’s
calibre will look into his papers before
putting his signature on them.

MR. SPEAKER: This is no point of
order.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Let him
mention the name of the officer.

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SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD
(Bhagaipur): I rise on a point of
order. I do not approve of what Mr.
Sokhi has said but I certainly do not ap-
prove of what Mr. Banerjee said. He
says that there is a certain company
which has written a nasty letter against
the hon. Member. 1 think it is not fair
for one Member to attack another
Member in this fashion. Mr. Baneijee
will be hauled up, not once but many
times in this House in the course of his
own speeches when he names officers,
when he condemns officers, when he
condemns Ministers and others. Shall
we be entitled to say that Mr. Baneijee
has got certain political motive and
that is why he is speaking like that?
That is not fair for Mr. Banerjee. We
may not agree with each other. I do
not support the criticism of this hon.
Member here, I do not like a Mem-
ber of my own party to say like that
about the Minister . . . ( Interruptions .)
I am only rising a point of order. Was
it- fair for him to say so about a new
Member? He is an adept, he is there
since 1957. He was dismissed from the
Defence Ministry to come to Parliament;
we were friends in the Defence em-
ployees federation. But now he is
harassing a new Member by saying that
he must not speak about Bokaro be-
cause somebody had written something
about him. You must decide whether
he is entitled to say that. It is not fair
to say so and bamboozle him like that.

MR. SPEAKER: I have already said
to Mr. Banerjee that it was not fair and
it was not good criticism. But my
friend here should also speak with res-
traint.

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AUGUST 22, 1972 Iron and Steel co . etc* Bill 1 86

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SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali-
pore): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this step the
Government has taken is, of course,
welcome and there has been fairly
wide-spread public support for it. The
Minister was rather anxious yesterday
that the opposition should express its
approval to (his step. Well, we certainly
approve of it, welcome it. But he
should not misunderstand the criticism
that we make of the delay on the part
of the government in taking this step.
Of course, it is better late than never;
I agree. But it is a very sad commen-
tary that a major concern of this type
is allowed by its management to reach
the brink of disaster before the gov-
ernment thinks of stepping in. Because,
the effect of this now will be that in
order to put this plant back on its feet
an enormous capital expenditure will
be incurred which the tax-payer of this
country will have to pay ultimately.

It is not as though this crisis deve-
loped overnight. It is not as though the
government was taken by surprise sud-
denly when it found that production
had declined to a very alarmingly low
level. This was a trend which was going
on for a considerably long time and the
Government was not unaware of it. As
the Minister himself pointed out yester-
day, Government always had three or
four nominated directors on the
board, including the Chairman of
Hindustan Steel, the Secretary of the
Ministry, high officials of the Life Insu-
rance Corporation and others. These
people were there, and they were sup-
posed to act as the watchdogs of the

government in a company where 57 or
58 per cent of the share capital is
field by various government agencies.
So, what I mean to say is, that over this
period of time, for several years the
company’s affairs were definitely being
mismanaged and, it seems to me, the
Government was thoroughly compla-
cent and it was not prepared to act
against this management which was
out for profits and was mining the
capabilities of this plant.

For example, take the loan agree-
ment which was signed by the Company
in July 1966 to get — I forget how
many crores of rupees — from the
World Bank to finance, what the Com-
pany called, its Balancing of Plant
Project. By the time the foreign ex-
change component of this loan was
sanctioned, by 1969, the World Bank
itself was asking for a reappraisal of
the Company’s project. As far as I am
able to understand, the reason for the
World Bank’s concern was that when
it went into the balancing of plant pro-
ject, perhaps it found that the Com-
pany was not very much concerned
about the crisis of the coke ovens
which, as the Minister has correctly
pointed out, was the key to the entire
crisis of production. The Company
was only talking about the modernisa-
tion of blast furnace capacity; it was
not bothering at all about the very
serious deterioration taking place ove?
the years in the coke ovens. Whatever it
may be, sometime between March
1970 and March 1971 the World Bank
cancelled the loan. According to Shrl
Raghunatha Reddi — I am quoting his
reply to a question of mine last week —

“The World Bank cancelled the
loan because it was not satisfied
that the management of the Com-
pany was sound.”

If the World Bank was convinced of
the unsoundness of the management of
this Company so long ago, are we to
take it that this was unknown to the
government? It could not be. In spite
of that, we find that even in 1966 con-
sent was given by the Government to
this Company to issue bonus shares to
the extent of Rs. 12.44 crores.
That means, they are capitalising
their reserves, not using their re-
serves for modernisation and rehabili-
tation of the plant, and this consent
was also given by the Government in

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the Department of Company Affairs.
So, they knew all these matters which
were going on.

The Company had also undertaken,
what it called, its development project
of the Chasnalla colliery, which is a
captive mine of this Company. The ex-
traordinary thing is you will find in the
annual reports of the company for the
year ending 31st March 1970 and 31st
March 1971 they have admitted that
actually because of this colliery project
of their own, they were securing cer-
tain advantages which perhaps was not
available to other steel plants. For
example, they say in their report for
the year 1970:

“The quantity of purchased coal
from the Jitpur colliery, which is
processed at the Chasnalla was-
hery, has made a significant con-
tribution to the operation of the
blast furnaces. 1 ’

Thus, only two years ago they were
talking about how well they were doing,
in 1971 they say:

“The supply of coal by the rope-
way helped in maintaining a rea-
sonable stock of coking coal at
Bumpur when all other steel plants
m the country experienced great
difficulty in obtaining supplies of
coking coal”.

So, on the one hand, this Company has
been trying to show that it is im-
plementing a certain project for the
supply of coking coal lrom its own
captive mine from which it says it is
deriving some benefit. On the other
hand, throughout this period we find
that production has been falling catas-
trophically in the steel plant, as the
Minister pointed out; I do not want to
repeat those figures again.

My point is that the Government of
India cannot wash its hands of its moral
responsibility for what has happened.
It was in the know of things all along.
It was the Government of India which
was ultimately the guarantor of the
loans to the Company from the World
Bank and from the International Bank
of Reconstructed and Development. It
is the Government, directly or indirect-
ly, which was the main shareholder to
the extent of 58 per cent. Therefore,
what I mean to say is that now the
country and the people of this country

will have to pay much more than they
would have had to pay if the govern-
ment had acted earner, more swiftly,
more determinedly to put this Company
back on its feet.

I would also like to raise a ques-
tion about the mechanics of this take-
over. Yesterday when somebody raised
the question about this take-over for a
limited period of two years only, what
is meant exactly, the Minister has
clarified one point for which I am
grateful. He says there is no question
of our handing back the management
of the Company at the end of two years
to the old management. But the ques-
tion which remains and which I would
like him to clarify further is this. Obvi-
ously, the management will not be
given to the old management which was
responsible for creating this state of
affairs. That anybody can understand.
But, has the government ruled out the
possibility of handing the Company
back to a newly constituted manage-
ment? Perhaps, some people will be
removed, some new directors will be
put in, and that will be shown as a
new management, and after the tax-
payers’ money has been spent in reha-
bilitation, in recuperation, of the sick
unit, the management of the Company
will be handed over to a new manage-
ment. Is that not possible? We are op-
posed to this whole idea. Wc want to
know why this take-over should not
clearly be conceived of as the first step
towards total nationalisation. The case
for nationalisation is very strong. 1953
was the year whe n the 1ISCO and Steel
Corporation of Bengal were amalgamat-
ed into the present Company. From
that date, from 1953 upto 1971, the
issued and subscribed capital of this
Company increased four times, from
Rs. 7.88 crores to Rs. 27.58 crorea.
The reserves of the Company increased
seven times, from Rs. 611 crores to
Rs. 42.44 trores, .despite the fact that
they were allowed to float large amounts
of bonus shares twice. Thirdly, the
total amount ol dividends which has
been distributed to share-holders
amounted to Rs. 23.71 crores. So, as
against whatever has been invested,
much more than that has been taken
out of this Company. So, the question
of compensation and all that should not
be such a big major hurdle here. They
have taken much more out of this than
they have ever invested into it. There-
fore, a case for nationalisation is very
strong.

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[Sfari Indrajit Gupta]

The bon Minister referred yesterday
also to the fact that die erstwhile
Managing agents, Martin Bum & Co* 9
have continued to extract large sums
from this Company even after the
ma nag in g agency system was abolished.
This is quite true. Not only that. The
strange rbing is that the amount has
Increased. This is the commentary on
the working of the private sector. Al-
most the same state of affairs is going
on in umpteen number of companies
which have not come to light.

The Government brought a Bill to
abolish the managing agency system
primarily for the reason that it would
prevent these managing agents from
fleecing their managed companies large
sums of money by way of commission.
What do we find? The managing agents
converted themselves into secretaries.
The Martin Bum & Co. call themselves
the secretaries of the Indian Iron &
Steel Co. In the years from 1964 to
1970. the highest amount that they had
drawn as managing agents’ commission
in any one year was Rs. 35 lakhs in
1966 and now, after they have ceased
to be managing agents, in the year
1971 as secretaries, they drew an
amount of Rs. 37.71 lakhs and, in 1972,
it was Rs. 38.57 lakhs. They are actu-
ally earning more now as secretaries
than they were doing as managing
agents. What is this big bluff? We have
been told that managing agency system
has been abolished and this is the kind
of thing that has been going on
throughout.

Then, I asked the Minister a question
whether, under clause 3, when this Bill
is passed, all these existing contracts
between the Indian Iron and Steel Co.
and the Martin Bum & Co. will stand
automatically terminated or not. As far
as I understood him, if I understood
him correctly, the Minister said that
that i„s the intention* or the desire of
the Government but he cannot say
what the legal interpretation of that
clause may turn out to be in case they
seek to contest it.

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN
KUMARAMANGALAM) : I do not
leno.v what the courts will say ulti-
ma' ely.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: After
*11, there may be a technical or a legal
fiction also in the sense that all the

existing contracts are terminated and
new contracts are again entered into.
This should be made quite dear.

There is no hope of putting this
company back on its feet if these huge-
payments are going to be continued to
be made to the Martin Bum & Co. or
anybody else.

Not only that This Company, al-
though its production was going down
so much in its main plant, was able to
find Rs. 2 crores to invest outside West
Bengal in a new concern called the
Stanton pipe and Foundry Co. It is
making a good profit. It did not have
money to rehabilitate its own plant.
You will find from its balance-sheets —
I am just mentioning a few items; it is
an extra-ordinary balance-sheet, profit
and loss account, and so on — under the
head “outstanding advances” that Rs.
14.66 crores have been advanced on
personal security only. The Company
says that they have got no other secu-
rity except personal security against
which they have advanced Rs. 14.66
crores. I do not know to whom, i would
be interested to know who those people
are.

As far as the luxurious high salaries
enjoyed by their top executives are con-
cerned, I have got a list — I do not
want to take much time of the House
— and they are all in the range of Rs.
8000. Rs. 7000 Rs. 6000 and Rs. 5000.
These are what the top executives have
been paid. Even now, I would like to
draw the hon. Minister’s attention to
the fact, since he may say that the
existing set-up should not be changed
overnight, that here is a top executive
getting Rs. 5000 per month or more
whereas the General Manager of the
public sector Durgapur Steel Plant, my
good friend Mr. Tulpule is getting a
salary Rs. 3000 per month. Here are
people getting Rs. 5000, Rs. 6000, Rs.
7000 and Rs. 8000 in this private sec-
tor concern. I am sure, the Minister
is not going to reduce the salaries of
these persons just now fearing that they
may run away and he may not be able
to get other people. . .

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM: Are you sure?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I am
provoking you to tell me what you
want to do.

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Another strange thing is that pre-
fjaeiy at the time whe& the production
amt down, the profits went up. The
Minister also said it. This is what we
have been maintaining always in every
field, in private sector. The private sec-
tor is interested in artificially restricting
the production. By doing so, they can
increase profits. It is between 1969 and
1971 that the production came down
by li lakh tonnes and, precisely, in
that period, their profits. increased from
Rs. 3.2 crores to Rs. 3.68 crores. How
does it happen? Why should they be
interested in production? Why should
it not be that a gentleman like Mr.
Ramnath Goenka, a few years ago, was
so anxious to comer the shares of
IISCO? I had raised it in this House. I
understand it because there is a gold
mine for a person like Mr. Ramnath
Goenka who was trying to corner the
majority shares. You do not have to go
in for production. You can keep pro-
duction restricted in the present condi-
tions of steel market and still you can
earn very high profits.

So much for the past. I am, of
course, not at all satisfied with what
sort of role was played by these Gov-
ernment Directors on the Board. We
should know something about it.’ The
Minister should at least look into that.
They were there all this time. There
was Mr. Sohonie of the L.I.C. and the
great ICS Secretaries of his Ministry,
at least two of them, one after the
other, were Directors on the Board.
What were they doing?

Now, I would like to come to the
present or the future rather and give
a few suggestions as to what should
be done. Here, in this statement ex-
plaining the circumstances which neces-
sitated promulgation of the Ordinance,
the Minister himself has said that this
crisis was due to, primarily, the direct
result of three factors which he has
stated. The first one, according to him,
is “ineffective and unresponsive mana-
gement at the top” Very correct it is.
I want to know what is going to
happen to that ineffective and un-
responsive management. We find that
the gentleman who was so long the
Deputy General Manager (Production)
— that was. his designation — that same
gentleman, has been appointed the
General Manager after the take-over.
1 have nothing personal against that
gentleman. But commonsense suggests
that whoever was the Deputy General

Manager (Production) during these
yean of decline in production must
have been responsible to a large extent
for that sorry state of affairs* He has
now been made the General Manager,

Then, the gentleman who was the
Chief Accountant of the Company has
now been made the Financial Control-
ler. I am only saying this to point out
that it is difficult for us or for the pub-
lic of this country to have any confi-
dence that this plant will be able to run
properly if it is going to be looked
after by the same people who were res-
ponsible in high executive posts for the
catastrophe almost overtaking it.

I would just draw the hon. Minister’s
attention to the report of our own
National Productivity Council which he
must have studied on the iron and steel
industry in the U.S.S.R. and Czecho-
slovakia. ‘ Our National Productivity
Council sent a team of highly qualified
people and they submitted a report
when they came back. I would just
quote two or three lines. This is what
they say:

13 hrs.

This is what they have said :

“In the Soviet steel industry, planning
is carried out by technical personnel
with specific steel plant experience. Not
only is the head of the steel plant an
experienced engineer with iron-making,
steel-making or rolling experience, but
even the Director of Sovanarkhoz or
Gosplan is a competent technical man
who has worked his way through steel
or other industrial plants before attain-
ing his post.”

Then the NPC says :

“In India reverse is more or less true :
the top management positions at the
steel plant dnd in the bodies controlling
the industry are often held by non-tech-
nical men.”

1 know that we suffer from a relative
shortage of highly qualified technical
men in this country still. But, neverthe-
less, I would point this out to the Minis-
ter: to undertake a big job like this,
how does he expect the country to re-
pose any confidence in those very same
high executives who were there in the
Indian Iron and Steel Company for
making this state of affairs, to go on
from year to year?

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[Shri Indrajit QuptaJ^

Then I have a few r suggestions to
make. 1 have tabled some amendments;
1 wil) speak on those Iftter on. He has
a proposal in the Bill to set up an Ad-
visory Board consisting of ten persons.
Very good. I would suggest that, on
that Advisory Board, at least one or two
members, preferably two, out of ten
should represent also the workers, the
labour, employed in that plant through
their unions or some other way — some
way can be devised. But out of ten who
are to function as Advisory Board, at
least two nominees should be represen-
tatives of the organized labour in that
plant. I think, it is high time that we
gave up the old attitude towards the
workers, that they have nothing to do
with the actual operations and produc-
tion in the shop, on the floor, and they
are not in a position to give useful
suggestions. This is not so. The men on
the job in the shops, on the floor of the
departments, working these complicated
machines, are in a position and they are
very often wanting to give technical
suggestions, sound suggestions, but we
cannot accept them in the present order
of things because this is not considered
to be the function of the workers, this
is supposed to be the exclusive function
of management, even though the
management consists of only non-tech-
nical people. I hope, he will consider
this.

Finally I would say another thing
which has bedevilled this plant for a
long time as in so many other plants—
of course he knows from his own ex-
perience in Durgapur — it is the question
of industrial relations. This company,
the old management headed by Sir Biren
Mukherjee was always maintaining,
what I should say, a completely outdat-
ed, completely outmoded, conservative
and reactionary attitude towards orga-
nized labour. They were not prepared
to associate organized labour in any
shape or form -with tlje problems of the
plant. If you study the speeches made
by Sir Biren Mukherjee as Chairman of
the Company for the last several years,
you will find that 75 or 80 per cent of
his speeches was a tirade against the
workers. I do not say that the workers
are always blameless, that the workers
are never at fault. But the fact of the
matter is that this decline in production
in this particular case has to be attribut-
ed mainly to the sins of the management
and not to any default on the part of
Workers. Now the workers have offer-
ed their cooperation to the Minister, all

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the Unions have assured him of their
cooperation. Therefore, I will pie ad
with him that steps should be taken to
put the industrial relations at Burnpur
on a completely new footing and that
the three or four unions which are there
should all be associated, and be given
an opportunity to associate themselves,
with the management in the proper
carrying out of this work and in solving
quickly any dispute, industrial dispute,
which may arise so that it may not be
allowed to linger on and prejudice the
whole atmosphere.

These are my suggestions, and when
we come to the amendments, I will have
something more to say.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY
(Nizamabad) : Mr. Mohan Kumara-
mangalam, who is Caesar’s wife, has
been selected for this job by Shrimati
,lndira Gandhi. He is the right type of
man to do the right type of work. Un-
fortunately, some incident occurs some-
wheie without his knowledge and mo-
tives are attributed to him; it is very
unfortunate. The Minister, as the mem-
bers know, is an efficient man. He
knows when to strike and really he has
struck when the iron was hot and has
taken over this company. Negotiations
were going on for the last three or four
months; nobody knew about these
things. Jt was kept as a well-guarded
secret. Jn our country many secrets are
leaked out. But in this case no secret
was leaked out though consultations
were going on between the State Minis-
try and the Central Ministry here. The
State Ministry headed by Dr. Siddhartha
Shankar Ray was mainly responsible
and Dr. Gopaldas Naik, the Labour
Minister there, had arranged all these
things. Not only this, the Congress
Organisation at West Bengal and also
the TNTUC had been pressing for the
take-over of this company. This com-
pany employs over 25,000 persons in the
factory and about 15,000 persons else-
where in the coalmines and other places.

It is the second biggest steel factory in
the private sector. Its management w*s
rotten as there were many difficulties.
The management has to take the entire
blame and so also the labour, though
Mr. Tndraj’it Gupta has admitted in a
small way that the labour was also res-
ponsible for its downfall. If this com-
pany is to be successful, the labour has
to give their unstinted support to the
management, and Tor small things they
should not go on strike. Unfortunately,
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the Government or whenever it is
nationalised, the first thing that the
labour does is that they go on strike.
We have seen that, when the banks were
nationalised, there was a strike. When
general insurance companies were
nationalised, there was strike. Such
things must be avoided at least for some
time to come. This is the biggest steel
factory, it was producing over one
million tonnes of steel. Unfortunately,
steadily, the production has been going
down from 1965-66 onwards. Previous-
ly this factory had a very good record.
But now this factory and its private
management have brought discredit to
the entire private industry in the eastern
region. The Minister has taken the cor-
rect step at (he correct time. One can
ask, when there was decline in produc-
tion and there was unrest in labour and
the production was going down from
1966-67 onwards, why did the Govern-
ment not take over this concern. That
is a separate question. When we look
at the activities of some of the political
parties in West Bengal, that becomes
very clear. The political parties had
been creating troubles in the factory;
they had been creating chaos in that
State. That is why Government had to
wait for the appropriate time, and at the
appropriate time, when there is peace in
the State, when there is a stable Gov-
ernment there. Government has not
wasted a single minute to take over the
factory. I congratulate the hon. Minis-
ter for having taken over this concern.
Moreover, he has done one more thing.
A holding company has been created
It will do immense good to the steel
industry, and there is a firm hope that,
during the tenure of Shri S. Mohan
Kumaramangalam, steel production will
go very high and it will bring good cre-
dit to the country.

Mr. Mohan Kumaramangalam, while
winding up the debate on his Ministry’s
Demands for Grants said that he was
having a new story, a better story, to
tell the next year. He has already start-
ed tellhg the best story.

♦SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI (Dha-
rapuram) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf
of my party, the Dravida Munnetra
Kazhagam, I extend my support in
principle to the Indian Iron and Steel
Company (Taking over of Management)
Bill, 1972.

♦TTie original speech was delivered in
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etc . Bill

The hon. Minister of Steel in his
introductory speech advanced the argu-
ment that the Government have come
forward with the proposal to take over
the management of the undertaking of
the Indian Iron and Steel Company
limited mainly on the ground that the
management of the company had been
unable to halt the steady deterioration
in production prospects and also that
the management did not realise the ur-
gency of implementing schemes for the
modernisation of the Plant and its ex-
pansion. He also stated that the Gov-
ernment therefore decided to take over
the management of the undertaking for
a limited period of two years to secure
the proper management of the company
and to subserve the public good in the
context of the steel requirements of the
country.

I have at the very outset stated that in
principle I support this Bill. But I join
issue with the hon. Minister on the ques-
tion of taking over the management for
a limited period of two years. As Shri
Indrajit Gupta, who preceded me, point-
ed out, it is not clear whether the
Government, after this period of
two years, will keep the undertaking
under its control. The hon. Minister
was good enough to state that the
management of the undertaking would
not have handed over back to the same
old management, but it might be hand-
ed over to a new management. Here I
get the doubt that the Government
would not m all probability completely
nationalise the undertaking, but, after
two years, the undertaking would be
handed over to a new management. 1
would like the hon. Minister to clarify as
to what is going to be the ultimate shape
of things to come so far as this under-
taking is concerned.

1 would say that theie is no wonder
in the Government deciding to take over
this unit. In fact, it would have been
a wonder if, the Government had not
come forward witt? this proposal. When
the public sector financial institutions
own nearly 58% of the shares of the
company, it is not surprising that the
Government should have rightly decided'
to take over fhe managment.

The hon. Minister in his speech yester-
day referred to the increase in produc-
tion of IISCO after, the Government
have taken it over. At the same stretch
he also pointed out the imperative neces-
sity for bridging the gap between the
demand and the domestic production*.

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Iron and Steel Co. 192

[Shri C. T. Dhandapani]
including the production in the public
sector steel plants. It it common know-
ledge that the production in the public
sector steel plants is not upto the full
rated capacity. The production of
USCO was declining steadily in recent
years and as soon as the Government
have taken over the undertaking, the
production has picked up. If the Gov-
ernment could function so efficiently in
regard to a private sector plant which
has been taken over recently, I wonder
why the same kind of functional and
administrative efficiency could not be
shown in the working of public sector
steel plants where also the installed pro-
ductive capacity is not being fully ex-
ploited. I am unable to appreciate the
anomaly. Jf the Government function
as efficiently, as it has functioned in re-
gard to the private sector unit which has
been taken over just now, in respect of
ublic sector steel plants, then we can
erive some consolation that the increas-
ing gap between the demand and the
domestic production is being narrowed.
The Durgapur Steel Plant is adjacent to
IISCO and I wish that the Government
had shown similar active interest in in-
creasing the production in Durgapur
Steel Plant.

Sir, who has been appointed as the
Custodian of IISCO ? A gentleman who
has got just two years’ experience in
Hindustan Steel has been appointed as
the Custodian. As Shri Indrajit Gupta
stated, he is an Accounts man and I do
not know how the IISCO is going to
function efficiently under his guidance.
He is a non-technical man to run this
engineering unit. Apart from the in-
vestment of public sector financial insti-
tutions, still the shares of IISCO are
being held by men like Goenka. I think
he has still 30 lakhs worth of IISCO
shares with him. I say this to illustrate
that the private sector has got a definite
gay in the management of the under-
taking, which has been taken over by
the Government. In the very recent
past, the shares of IISCO were bought,
sold and transferred. I came across a
news item in a newspaper from which
I would just quote a few lines.

“How did the institutions' share then
go up by 16 percentage points since
April, 19717 Have holders other than
Goenka sold Indian Iron shares to
them? Surely not to L.I.C. which could
field mpre than 30% of the company’s

4qutty."

etc. Bill

I would like to know from the hon.
Minister as to whom these shares have
been sold.

Yesterday, the hon. Minister of Steel
was kind enough to give certain statis-
tics of production of steel. When we
compare the per capita consumption of
steel in India, we find that it is the low-
est. While the per capita consumption
of steel in Czechoslovakia is 594 kgs v
in France 443 kgs, in West Germany
659 kgs, in Japan, where iron ore is not
available, 603 kgs, in Philippines 35 kgs,
in India it is only 11 kgs. We are not
utilising the available iron ore in full
and properly. On the other hand, we
are exporting iron ore to other coun-
tries. In 1969-70 the export of iron ore
was 5.9% and in 1970-71 it had gone up
to 7.5%. While the production is going
down, leading to prilce rise, the export
is going up. We expected that with the
coming of the new Minister of Steel
there would be a reorientation of policy.
I regret that these expectations have
been belied. I request the hon. Minister
that he should reorient the steel policy
to the benefit of the country.

Sir, we have had three Five Year
Plans and the Fourth Five Year Plan is
also coming to an end. Inspite of our
planned efforts, the gap between the
target and achievement in these Five
Year Plans is regrettably wide. In the
Five Year Plan the target of production
capacity of finished steel was 17 lakh
tonnes while the achievement was only
13 lakh tonnes; in the Second Five Year
Plan the target was 44 lakh tonnes and
the achievement 24 lakh tonnes in the
Third Five Year Plan the target was 76
lakh tonnes and the achievement 56 lakh
tonnes. The actual production target
was 69 lakh tonnes, but the production
was just 45 lakh tonnes. In the fourth
Plan the target of production is 81 lakh
tonnes and it is expected that the
achievement will be of the order of just
62 lakh tonnes.

If you look at the imports, it is going
up. We were expecting that the new
Minister of Steel would take steps to
reduce the imports. In 1950-51 the im-
port was of the order of 20 crores, but
in 1970-71 for the period April-Decem-
ber, the import bill came to Rs. 101
crores. The export of iron ore is going
up. The production of steel is going
down. The import of different kinds ctf
steel is going up. All these contradic-
tory factors have led to steep rise in tfie
price of steel, from 50 to 85. If the

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etc Bilt

riteel price goes up, naturally the prices
6i other things go up. For example, the
prices of agricultural implements have
gone up considerably, impeding our
efforts for self-sufficiency in food-grains
production. The hon. Minister of Steel,
who has been of late taking great inter-
est in the welfare of our farmers and
who has been talking loudly about their
woes, must give some thought to the
phenomenal rise in the price of steel.
He should do something to bring down
the price of steel.

With the assumption of D. M. K.
Party Government in Tamil Nadu and
with the solid support of all the people
of Tamil Nadu, the State has been able
to get Salem Sted Plant. The people
of neighbouring State, Kerala, are also
demanding for a steel plant. I appeal
to the hon. Minister that a Steel plant
should be located in Kerala also. I
would also urge upon the hon. Minister
that proper attention must be paid for
timely transportation of steel products
from the places of production to the
places of requirement.

Before 1 conclude, 1 am not happy
with certain provisions of this Bill,
•about which my hon. friend Shri Indra-
jit Gupta has made certain valid points.

I am not happy why it should be men-
tioned in the Bill that the undertaking is
being taken over for a limited period of
two years only. Secondly, after this
period of two years, this undertaking
should not be handed over again to
private hands. After spending public
funds in making the undertaking func-
tion efficiently, the nationalisation of the
undertaking should be full and complete.
After two years also to subserve the
public good in the context of the steel
requirements of the country the under-
taking should be continued to run effi-
ciently. 1 hope that the hon. Minister
of Steel will implement all his assura-
nces given on the floor of this House re-
garding this undertaking.

With these words, I support the Bill.

SHRI K. GOFAL (Karur) : Since
yesterday I have been hearing the
speeches of sqme of the hon. Members
and I am really glad to see that every-
body has welcomed this measure. No*
body has questioned the wisdom of the
‘Government as to tfhy they have taken
over the management of the TlSCO.
But, at the same time, somebody has
usked as to why it should be taken over
only for two years. If this is going to
be the first step for nationalisation I

would welcome it. The Minister said
tpat he is not going to hand over the
management back to the old people,
Shri Indrajit Gupta said about it I do
not know whether they are going to
have some other Board to manage this.
The reason why this was taken over was
explained by the Minister. It was due
to mismanagement and loss in produc-
tion. The rated capacity of this plant
is one million tonnes. During the past
ten years what is the position? I can
give the figures for the past ten years.
They are :

Years

Rated capacity

1963-64

. 10-27

lakh tonnes

1964-65

. 9*50

»>

1965-66

• 970

5 )

1966-67 - .

. 8 97

>»

1967-68

7 9 i

1968-69

777

1969-70

7 00

1970-71

6- 27

>»

1971-72

6 1 17

I understand that during April-Mav,
1972, it was just 40 per cent of rated
capacity. This is not something which
is just accidental. It is not due to in-
capacity of the plant itself to produce;
it is mainly because of mismanagement.
They knew that 1ISCO would be taken
over one day or the other. That is why
they indulged in all these mismanage-
ments.

Our hon. friend Mr. Indrajit Gupta
pointed out that this should have been
taken over long time back. I do agree
with him; but there are lot of things
which we had to do. When they had
committed so many wrongs, we have got
to rectify them. .That took some time.
But, we have done it. As I said loss in
production is there, not because the
plant could not produce the thing, but
because, they deliberately ignored this.

On the one hand the overhead ex-
penses were going up; the expenses on
the maintenance of the plants were going
up. But, production did not go up.
They had the managing agency system
for quite a long time. Martin Burn was
their managing agents. Strangely enough
even though there was full-fledged
Board, they had Martin Burn as their

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[Shri K. Gopal]

Secretaries and also their registrars
and to make security arrangements. I
am not able to understand this logic at
all. On the day of paying salaries to
the workers they used to get a commis-
sion of twelve per cent. Just to encash
the cheque they used to get a commis-
sion like that, amounting to Rs. 30 to
Rs. 40 lakhs per annum. The control-
ling interest was in the hands of one
family. Having just 0.5 per cent of
shares they were having such controlling
interest; they were acting in a zamin-
dari fashion. They completely control-
led the management. Having 53 per cent
Government shares, by way of credit of
financial institutions and having three
Directors responsible there, the Govern-
ment were not able to do anything. I
would like to know whether it was done
deliberately by the Government’s re-
presentatives or Government was com-
placent about it. They were just having
0.5 per cent shares and controlling the
whole management, and sitting at Cal-
cutta s they could do this, having their
factory and plant at Burnpore. When
Government had more than 53 per cent
shares, how is it that they could not
remedy the situation? For the past four
or five years they did not pay heed to
the advice of their technicians. The
operation of the coke oven plant was
deteriorating day by day. Four years
back the Manager of Works suggested
injecting of benezyne oil but the
management refused to listen to his ad-
vice and even the steel melting shop was
not run properly.

Mr. Ram Gopal Reddy said that this
was done all of a sudden. But, the
management knew that this will be taken
over one day or the other. That was
the reason why they were neglecting the
plant all those years They ignored the
plants; they just wanted to suck and
syphon out as much as possible.

They had interest in eight companies.
One of them was Indian Standard Wa-
gons. They were supplying steel to
this company free of cost. T do not
understand how a company can supply
their production free of cost to another
company, be it a subsidiary or sister
concern. T do not know how they could
nave done this. Were the Government
representatives sitting on the Board
closing their eyes about this mismanage-
ment? I would like to know.

Before I conclude, I would like to say
this. Some of my friends said that

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under the public sector efficiency goes
down. It is not the mistake of the,
policy of the Government. It is not the
Government’s policy which is wrong.
What is wrong is with the system.

The hnn. Minister declared last year
that they are going to put workers’ re-
presentatives on the Board. If only
they had done it in the public sector, the
public sector would not have so miser-
ably failed. Out of ten persons in the
proposed Advisory Board there should
at least be 3 from the workers’ side.
The custodians are appointed in the
public sector undertakings. They are
held by I.A.S. people or chartered ac-
countants. I do not doubt their inte-
grity or their honesty. They are effi-
cient people no doubt. But, I may point
this out and say, unless you have a
technical man as head of the organisa-
tion how can you run it? IAS man can
manage a job efficiently at the head
office but he cannot run a factory. Run-
ning a factory requires lot of talent. He
should have technical talents. I com-
pliment the Minister that this is a fea-
ther in his cap. The first thing is the
coking coal; the second thing is the
Indian Copper Corporation; and the
third thing is this one.

While concluding I would like to say
this. While I welcome this measure, I
feel that this is a half-hearted measure.
Instead of saying that we are going to
take over the management for two
years’ initial period, he could have said
that we are going to nationalise it
straightway. The plant has been given
to him as a sick child. 1 am sure he
will be able to nurse it. 1 do not know
whether he is a good baby-sitter; but
at least this much I am sure, that he
will do it. With this I conclude. Thank
you.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHUA
(Begusarai) : To my mind this measure
was long overdue. In fact, if I can go
to the length of saying so, there was
culpable delay in this matter. Govern-
ment, or for that matter, public finan-
cial institutions had already acquired
the position of a dominant equity-holder
quite sometime back. The Government
had been looking on the mismanagement
which had been going on there for quite
a long time. After Mr. Goenka sold a
parcel of thirty lakhs of shares in April
1971, constituting 11 per cent of the
total shares, Government should have
stepped in at that very time. But Gov-
ernment, for reasons best known to

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them, did not choose to do so. What
W ai in essence a de jure position is be-
ing given a de facto shape.

The public sector owns 49 per cent of
the equity and another 4.5 per cent was
pledged to the nationalised banks. My
submission is that the Government’s
position was dominant de jure earlier
too.

13.29 hrs.

{Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair ]

But one wonders, Mr. Deputy Spea-
ker, why has the Government taken the
unusual step of taking it over through
an ordinance. My submission is that
this could have been taken over even
under the provisions of the Industrial
Development and Regulation Act. But
Government always chooses to resort to
the method of ordinances, and it is the
great sorrow of Parliament that these
things should be done through ordi-
nances.

I was submitting, Government had
not chosen earlier to exercise their
powers under the Industries Develop-
ment and Regulation Act, and, there-
fore, there had been great loss ircurred
by the country in this very vital field
of our economy. A few general re-
marks, so far as the steel economy of
the country is concerned, are in order.

We have a curious picture of the
Government’s policy in this matter.
There has been a colonial economy ope-
rating in the steel sector. That is the
position which has been emerging; it is
not that it has already become a colo-
nial economy in the steel sector, but that
is the position which is steadily emerg-
ing. Wc have been exporting iron ore
to the extent of 21 million tonnes an-
nually and importing steel to the extent
of about 1.5 million tonnes or so; now
it may be nearly 2 million tonnes.
These 21 million tonnes could have
yielded us about 9 million tonnes of
steel. But instead of building up the
steel capacity or even utilising the capa-
city already built up to the maximum
extent possible. Government have been
depending upon the easy course of ex-
porting iron ore and getting steel of
such low order.

If these colonial tendencies in our
economy have to be stopped, then the
‘Only course is to run our existing units
properly and to add to our capacity as

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fast as possible. In fact, Japan fo my
mind has been adding to its steel capa-
city every year tolhe extent of seven to
eight million tonnes; I say this subject
to correction. I hope the hon. Minister
has got the latest information about this
matter. So, the' Japanese steel economy
is an expanding economy and it may
well be that Japan would be in a posi-
tion to push back even the larger steel
producers in this field in one or two
years.

What Government seem to be doing
is extremely unfortunate. What they
are doing is hospitalisation and not
what one might say nationalisation.
Probably, it was under the pressure of
public opinion that the Government
were compelled to say yesterday that
though they were hospitalising it for the
time being, — no doubt they did not
use that very word — they were finally
going to take it over. But my submis-
sion is that the tendency that we find in
the Government’s policy is towards
hospitalisation and not what one might
properly call nationalisation.

India is rapidly becoming a hospital
State. We are taking over sick units,
and in effect, what it means is that we
are nationalising losses and we are not
nationalising gains, and that could not
be the meaning of nationalisation as
we understand it. Nationalisation in
every case does not equal socialisation
or socialism. There could be nationali-
sation plus socialism; there could be
nationalisation minus socialism, and
there could be nationalisation worse
than capitalism. We have to bear this
clearly in our mind. So, it is only when
we find that there are social gains, there
are social returns, and there are social
surpluses emerging that we can say that
we are running nationalisation in a pro-
per way to conform to the socialist crite-
ria. So, I submit that the present
tendency will have to be observed by
the country with* all care that it deserves.

The basic fact of the steel situation in
India is that we require 2 million ton-
nes more to bridge the gap between de-
mand and supply. Now, how could it
be done ? The first course that could be
taken is to utilise the existing capacity
in the best manner possible. That was
not being done so far as this unit was
concerned. In fact, there had been a
decline in production. Here, my sub-
mission is that there does not seem to
be any method in the goodness, if I can

199 Re*, and Indian AU0US? 2?, 1972 Iropt girf Steel Co* 3flO

JShfi Shy^mnaodaq Mfehra]
say so, in contrast io ■ madness, so far
U the policy of the Government is
concerned. If Government wanted that
the steel policy should fee put on a firm
tooting and there should be comprehen-
sive planning for steely then Govern-
ment simultaneously could have taken
over T1SCO also. I am not suggesting
it because I find that the T1SCO is
running badly; that was not my sugges-
tion at all. TISCO has been in a much
better shape; TISCO has had much
better management-labour relations, and
its outturn has been satisfactory. But
my submission is that TISCO cannot
expand further on its own resources. If
we want to bring about expansion, as
we must, because our steel requirements
dictate it, then we have to take over
TISCO. The management of the
TISCO has already lost all interest in
expansion. It cannot bring forth its
own resources. Only if Government are
in a position to provide them with re-
sources and are able to guarantee tfiem
the resources, they will be able to go
ahead with the programme of their ex-
pansion. Can we leave this important
unit without expansion if we want to
make good in the steel sector?

So, my humble submission is that this
unit also simultaneously should have
been taken over, not because of the
fact, it has been running badly but be-
cause of the reasons I have mentioned.

There is another aspeef to it, and that
relates to the rising prices of steel that
takes place so often. Recently, the ris-
ing prices have benefited the Tatas to
the extent of Rs. 4.5 crores, whereas the
decline in their profitability was only to
the extent of about Rs. 2 crores. If
these increases in prices take place to
the advantage of the private sector and
yet it is not even able to bring forth all
the resources that are necessary for its
expansion, I do not think that there is
any justification for this steel unit to re-
main in the private seetor. So, it is sim-
ply beyond the capacity of these units,
the IISCO and TISCO, to go in for ex-
pansion. There is the earlier experience
also that the Tatas in their plan of ex-
pansion spread over a period of ten
years had to live mostly on' the tesources
provided by the Government or gua-
ranteed by the Government.'

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Now,
the hon. Member should try to con-
clude.

$HRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ;
Other Members who had spoken eaifier
had a lot of time.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Bui
the hon. Member is talking more about
TISCO than about IISCO.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Because the thing has to be viewed as
a whole. So, if Government do not
take over that also, they would come
to grief very soon.

TISCO finds itself at the present
moment in the neither-life-nor-death
zone, and it is in a sense marking time
and getting ready for eventual take-
over. This was the right time, to my
mind, when it should have been taken
over.

So, my humble submission is that if
we want to come up according to the
requirement of the Fifth Five Year
Plan to 11 million tonnes or so, then
there can be no denying the fact that
that would depend largely upon the ex-
pansion of these private sector units
also. One unit has been taken over, but
that would not give Government full
scope for planning the steel programme
properly. In fact, what was done in the
United Kingdom when they nationalis-
ed steel was that they left out only those
units and those mixed groups whose
main interests were dearly outside iron
and steel. Otherwise, they had taken
over all the steel units which could have
given them scope for comprehensive
and effective planning. That ought to
be done in this country also.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY
(Kendrapara) : It is one of the
rarest moments in my life when I
welcome a measure initiated by the
Treasury Benches. T do not know whe-
ther I should thank the hon. Minister
of Steel for this unique opportunity or
myself . . .

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Thank
both.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wish
that there were more opportunities like
that.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY :
The intentions which have inspired this
legislation are holy and its postulates
are unexceptionable. But according to
me, there is more than meets the eye in
this Bill. I would only urge upon the
Minister to dispel those mists of doubt

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etc. Bill

and misgiving. While we are, by and
large, welcoming this Bill, his job has
been more than simplified. But I
would only beg of him to clarify the
mist surrounding this legislation.

In the first place, we know, as the
Minister had given out yesterday, the
public financial institutions have about
49 per cent holding in the capital struc-
ture of IISCO with four government
directors on its board. Therefore, it be-
haves us to know why with all this mas-
sive public investment in the company
and with four directors on the board,
Government were all along mute specta-
tors to this gradual, progressive decay
and decadence of the company. Had I
been uncharitable enough, I would per-
haps have said that the Martin Burn
group or the Sir Biren group did not
oblige the powers that be with the funds
demanded for the political chests. Gov-
ernment had tolerated the company all
these years, but when the disillusion-
ment about political donations came,
the Government decided to take this
step which ought to in fact have been
taken much earlier.

There is another aspect. Why is it
going to be taken over only for two
years? This is not an original point I
am making. Even speakers from the
Congress benches have asked this ques-
tion. What is sacrosanct about two
years ? Though I am not a technical
man, understanding from the detailed
catalogue of work that is going to be
undertaken in this plant regarding
modernisation and so on, the process
itself will take two years. What hap-
pens after these two years? Is this
going to be the beginning of the joint-
venture, joint sector project where the
hens will be fed by the taxpayers and
the golden eggs will be appropriated by
the private sector? If so, we should
know.

While considering this Bill, one cannot
preclude from the dimensions of our
discussion, the entire steel economy of
our country. With all our massive
majority, massive mandate and political
massiveness, we^produce only one per
cent of steel production of the world.
Japan which was producing merely a
million ’ tons of steel in 1948 is now
producing 97 million tons, whereas with
all the inputs in the shape of iron
ore, coal, manganese and cheap
labour easily available to us, we are still

fumbling at the 6 million tonnes figure.
Yet Japan has to depend on every ingre-
dient for its steel industry from outside.

If my information is correct, the
country’s import bill for steel this year
is likely to be at least 5 times amount
anticipated at the time of the Budget
presentation. Against an estimated
Rs. 40 crore import, steel import is go-
ing to cost us Rs. 200 crores. At that
time, indigenous production was esti-
mated at 7.20 million tonnes of ingots
or 5.4 million tonnes of finished steel, as-
against our demand for 6.13 million
tonnes of finished^ steel. But production
has in the meantime gone down most-
ly in the public sector, the HSL plants.
My information is that during the first
quarter of 1972-73, it has been only
8.74 lakh tonnes as against 11 lakh ton-
nes planned. I would be very happy if
the hon. Minister corrects it, but this is.
my information that production in the
HSL plants is going down and down.

The . nationalised management of the
HSL steel plants have not been able to
attain more than 60 per cent of capacity
utilisation even now. The hon. Minis-
ter said that IISCO’s was hardly utilis-
ing 50 per cent of rated capacity. But
what about the HSL plants? What
about Bokaro ? Bokaro which was to
be commissioned at the beginning of
June this year will not be commission-
ed by the middle of next vear. Accord-
ing to knowledgeable sources, each
month's delay in commissioning costs
Rs. 5 million on account of indirect ex-
penses like salaries, establishment,
technical supervision etc. The hon.
Minister is taking charge of IISCO, but
who will take charge of the hon. Minis-
ter?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY r
This House ? Which has been de-
nuded of all its authority, which has
been completely atomised by the mas-
sive majority? *

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Do not
be so modest.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY :
Who will take charge of him ? In all
fairness, let Shri Raj Bahadur take
charge of him. I have no quarrel with
him on that score.

Last year the hon. Minister made a
very bold promise that he was not in-
terested in speeches, he was interested is

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[Shri Surendra Mobanty]

achievements and he wfculd be able to
tell us a good story next year. That was
the refrain of his budget speech in 1971
But today, in 1972, he sings the same
old song. It is not a political question
nor a question of scoring a debating
point. I ask him man to man, citizen
to citizen — who will take charge of
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam with all
this record of performance ?

So while welcoming this Bill, I would
here and now demand a categorial as-
surance from the hon. Minister that
our steel import this year is not going
to cost us Rs. 200 crores, that our
nationalised mills are not going to have
this vast segment of unutilised capacity
lying idle and that India is going to at-
tain its massive status not in political
slogan-mongering, nor in in political
Machiavellism nor in vote-catching, but
also in production of steel.

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) :
While congratulating Shri Mohan
Kumaramangalam on bringing forward
this long-delayed but very laudable Bill,

I would like to ask : is it not time in
our country that we decided to pursue
certain basic policies with courage and
wholeheartedness, meaning thereby that
all basic industries like steel, cement
etc. must come under the public sec-
tor and should be nationalised ? There
should be no half-heartedness in this.
Secondly, if at all we had to take over
this sick unit, why not take it over whol-
ly and now when you would be required
to pay compensation on a much lower
scale than later after two years when we
have invested so much in it and put it
on its feet when the share value would
go up. Then the question would be,
what compensation is to be paid to this
nationalised concern.

In the case of all these sick mills in
the country, our policy ought to be to
take them over at the book value today
so Xjiat you do not ha^e to pay much
and nobody would come with a griev-
ance later that the market value of the
concern is so much and Government
have not been fair in denying it to the
shareholders. But what has happened
is that we take them over, act as baby-
sitter, we try to hospitalise them, as was
rightly pointed out, bring them up, in-
vest public money in them, and later on
we are faced with the problem of how
to compensate them. Therefore T should
join all those members who have ex-
pressed their views. I request the hon.

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Minister to reconsider this proposition.
There is no point of any honour involv-
ed. He also says there is nothing
sacrosanct about two years. Then whjr
not accept the suggestion when practi-
cally the unanimous opinion in the
House appears to be : nationalisation,
here and now, the whole hog, complete-
ly.

Secondly, in our country if we want
our public sector concerns work succes-
sfully, let us have faith in our working
class and let us give them full participa-
tion in the management. All the em-
ployees should be made shareholders
and you should ask them to elect their
representatives on the board of directors
and run the industry, as is done in Yugo-
slavia and other countries. The workers
have full responsibility for running the
show. There will be no feeling that
somebody else is the employer or owner,
so that there is no question of
slogans like : Hamare Mangaen Puri
Karo. There will be no feeling of
that kind. I would request the hon.
Minister to consider nationalising it
here and now.

I oppose the motion moved by an
hon. Member from the Opposition dis-
approving this measure.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
hon. Minister.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand-
gaon) : I want to congratulate the hon.
Minister for the laudable work he has
done.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You
have done it. The hon. Minister.

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM) : 1 must first of all

thank all the hon. Members who have
participated in this discussion for sup-
porting this decision of the Government.
It is somewhat surprising to see the ex-
traordinary unanimity on this question,
particularly from parties which do not
normally give their support to Govern-
ment on matters of this character and
that perhaps shows how right was the
decision of the Government.

Discussion had ranged over a very
wide ground and hon. Members would
pardon me if I am not able to deal with
all the points raised because they have
been so numerous and so wide in the
implications; I shall try to deal with the
points which directly pertain to the Bill.

205 ; Res. and Indian SRAVANA 31,

Hofl. Members have, with justice per-
haps, criticised the delay in coming for-
ward with an action like this. Personal-
ly I think there is some justification for
such a criticism. But there are also, if I
may use the expression, some extenuat-
ing circumstances. While production
baa dropped to something like 617,000
tonnes in 1971-72, by and large much
of the deterioration was thought to be
due to the very disturbed state of in-
dustrial relations between 1967-68 and
1971-72. That was, l think, the premise
on which many persons moved in the ear-
lier period. I do not think it was en-
tirely correct and I made this clear when
I introduced the Bill. 1 thought this
probably would enable the management
to excuse themselves in relation to the
obvious fall in production.

Hon. Members have criticised the
members of the board of directors who
were nominated by the Government for
not paying sufficient attention to the
working of the concern and not bringing
matters to the notice of the Govern-
ment.

I have been in charge of this portfolio
only for the last one year and a half
and I think it is not proper also for me
to go back too much into the oast. But
I should like to mention to the House
that during the last one year members
on the board of the Indian Iron, nomi-
nated by the Government, have taken
very active part in the work of the
board and I think I must ex pi ess my
thanks to them for bringing to my notice
the deteriorating position in the Indian
Iron, leading me and ultimately the
Government, to the conclusion that
Indian Iron’s management must be
taken over. It would not be out of
place to mention that in regard to the
decision to bring back into opera-
tion coke-oven batteries 5 and 6, initia-
tive was taken bv the Government
directors headed by Secretary for Steel
Mr. Sarin. The new plans for expan-
sion and improvement of the project
have been discussed almost entirely on
the initiative of the Government direc-
tors and steps thereon taken in the re-
cent past. I am bringing all this to the
notice of the hon. House because Mem-
bers, rightly, asked : what were you
doing when all this was going on ? They
were doing something but taking over is
not a matter that can be decided in a
day. After all, it is a major steel plant
and there are a number of implications
in taking it over, managerial implica-
tions, implications in relation to our

1894 (SAKA) Iron and Steel Co. 206
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capacity fo T>e able to really run the
plant effectively and it is only when we
come to the conclusion that we would
be in a position to definitely improve
on the conditions as they are today in
IISCO and that the taking over is not
just going to be taking over for taking-
over * sake, we come to this decision and
we took it over.

Hon. Member Shri Indrajit Gupta
raised the question : what have you
done with the management after tak-
ing it over? Ordinarily in this House
we Ido not get into a discussion of the
merits and demerits of individuals who
are not here to defend themselves, but
it is necessary for me to make it clear
to my friend Mr. Gupta the position
about the two persons he mentioned.

As for the former deputy general
manager, Mr. N. R. Dutt who was ap-
pointed the' chief general manager, it
would not be entirely correct in my view
to place on him a major responsibility
for the managerial failures in the recent
past. That is our judgment on the basis
of what we came to know. In fact after
Mr. Dutt was appointed a member of
the board of the Indian Iron he was
not given any specific responsibility in
the running of the plant and the main
managerial responsibility, _ as I mention-
ed earlier when I introduced the Bill
was invested by a resolution of the Board
of IISCO with Mr. Romen Mukherjee
and Mr B. P. Ray, and if any criticism
has to be made of the way in which the
management was conducted — criticism
has been made both on this side and on
the other side — it will have to be direct-
ed to that area, and not against the per-
son who has now been appointed as the
chief general manager.

He asked : why don’t you put some-
body else, a new person ? We thought
that it would be better to have a person
who knows IISCO well in the immediate
period aftqr take-over and to put him
on test to see how he worked and to
watch him. We have put a custodian in
charge, who, as an hon. Member said,
is not a technical man but who has been
associated with the steel industry for the
last two or three years. It was Mr.
Dhandapani who mentioned it, I think.
We thought it is better to follow this
procedure and take our own time in in-
troducing new personnel. It does not
pay at all to hasten and make drastic
and radical changes because persons
whom you introduce into an organisa-
tion like this always take some time to

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find their feet. We have got plan
to organise the operatidfl of the manage-
ment. Naturally the present custodian
who is also currently holding charge of
the office of the finance director of
Hindustan Steel will not be able to bear
the burden of both the responsibilities,
namely, custodian of Indian Iron as well
as financial director of Hindustan Steel.
We propose to appoint a new Custodian
probably within a reasonable time, a
person who we think will be able to
discharge his duties effectively. I do
not think that it is always necessary that
a person at the level of the Managing
Director or Custodian of a concern like
this need be necessarily a steel man, be-
cause he is not responsible for the day
to day technical operations.

14 hre.

But, so far as lower down is concern-
ed, there are certain weaknesses in the
managerial structure which we intend to
remedy. But, so far as we are able to
see at present, the experiment that we
are making of continuing certain of the
old managerial personnel in leading posi-
tion has helped us immediately to bring
about certain improvement in produc-
tion. But I can assure the hon. Mem-
bers that we are keeping a very close
and vigilant eye on what is going on.
It is only a little more than a month
since we took over this concern. In that
one month I have myself visited Burn-
pur and had discussions once. The
Secretary of the Steel Ministry has visit-
ed Bumpur himself and had two dis-
cussions regarding the measures to be
taken, regarding the rehabilitation mea-
sures to be adopted, which I have men-
tioned earlier, getting coke from Durga-
pur projects, getting coaltar from Durga-
pur steel plant, getting boilers, getting
cranes because th e existing once are in a
very bad condition and so on and so
forth. I think the steps that we are
taking are producing* results and I hope
non. Members will give those who have
been put in charge a chance to prove
their worth. I think that it is not al-
ways so useful to make a clean sweep
of everybody because then the persons
you put in may not be competent in
terms of the knowledge of the plant.
Everybody has to have some knowledge
in terms of the plant to be able to run
these plants properly.

A criticism has been made that we
are putting non-technical people My

hon. friend* Shri Indrajit Gupta, quoted
from the report of the team or the
National Productivity Council on this
point. This criticism was made by other
hon. Members also. I think we have
appreciated the validity of the criticism
made by the team of the National Pro-
ductivity Council. Because, hon. Mem-
bers will remember, so far as Hindustan
Steel is concerned, it is the technical
men who are the General Managers both
in Bhilai and Rourkela. If we made a
departure in Durgapur, that was for ob-
vious and special reasons. But, certain-
ly, the emphasis is on improving what
may be called the technocrat leadership
of the steel plant as a whole, though I
do not myself subscribe to the opinion-
that only a steel engineer, as it were, is
capable of becoming a technocrat. Ex-
perience has shown that persons who
may have started even in other profes-
sions have been able, after years of
work in steel plant or in connection with
steel plants, to develop sufficient expert-
ise provided they have got the manage-
rial capacity, managerial leadership to
be able to head organisations of this
character.

I do not want to go into all the de-
tails about the past of Indian Iron. Sa
far as the two-year period is concerned,
as I have said earlier when I introduc-
ed the Bill, we have fixed these two years
because we have been advised that
under the law if you do not fix a parti-
cular period of time for take-over of the
management, you will be liable to pay
management compensation. Hon. Mem-
bers would remember that in some Bills
we have provided for management cbm-
pensation; in some Bills we have not.
Here we are not quite sure about what
we are doing in the future, what kind
of permanent structure or management
wc should have for this kind of organi-
sation, whether it should be a public
sector management and so on. But I
would like to assure Shri Indrajit Gupta,
Shri Gopal ancT others who raised this
question, that there is no qutstion of
handing the management back, either
to the erstwhile private management or
any other new private management; that
will not arise. The question is how ex-
actly we are going to deal with it in
terms of take-over, whether it should be
ultimately as purchaser of the shares,
whether it should be acquisition, what
scale of compensation will be paid, if
any and so on and s6 forth. Naturally,
that will not be possible unless we come
before this House, and that will be time

209 Jte. mil*#** SRAVANA 31,

enough to explain what exactly is the
measure we are proposing and the basis
for the measures "that we are bringing
before the House.

Hon. Members have raised the ques-
tion of new managing contracts. I
think that was again raised by Shri
lndrajit Gupta. There is no reason for
us to give any contracts to the manage-
ment at all.^ The management will natu-
rally be strictly done by the Custodian,
assisted by the Advisory Board which is
provided for in the Act.

A point has been made that workers’
representatives should be included in the
Advisory Board. Our difficulty about
making a specific statutory provision for
this is that very often, owing to differen-
ces between the unions and so on,
we are not able to work out a procedure
which is satisfactory to all so as to en-
able workers’ representatives to be on
the Board. It is now well over a year
since I made the offer to the Joint Wage
Negotiating Committee, it is now called
the Joint Negotiating Committee for the
Steel Industry, requesting them to work
out a procedure by which I could in-
clude two representatives of the workers
on the Board of Hindustan Steel. We
have not been able to reach a* conclusion
on that. But it is certainly the intention
of the government to include represen-
tatives of workers. But we do not want
to put it as a statutory condition,
because then the question as to whe-
ther the Board is complete or not com-
plete, valid or invalid would arise. Even
in the case of banks, though it was in-
troduced in the Act as a provision. I
believe it has not yet been brought into
operation owing to differences This is
the difficulty, so far as this problem is
concerned But I would assure the hon.
Members that we do want to take the
workers’ representatives in the Board
and very probably we will succeed in
doing so.

We want to put industrial relations on
a new footing, to use the same expres-
sion that fell from the lips of the hon.
Members, though I do not by any means
under-estimate the difficulties which face
us in this field.

I would very earnestly appeal to all
hon. Members, particularly those mem-
bers who are concerned with trade union
movemenrin West Bengal, to give us
assistance to sort out this very very diffi-
cult problem of the shift cycle in Bum-
pur. I do not want to go into more de-

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tads. It is the pre-historic relic of the,
if I may use the expression, manage-
ments desire to make maximum profit
and to take advantage of workers de-
sire to make maximum wages even m
violation of the law regarding overtime
and regarding the hours of work that
has led to a very bad state of affairs m
nscb in the past. Now things are
sought to be remedied bv an agreement
which the unions and the management
arrived at in 1971. It means a certain
reduction in the earnings of certain cate-
gories of workers because of reduction
in overtime, because of having weekly
off, which earlier was not there, and
this is being resisted by certain sec-
tions of the workers. It is not my de-
sire to start throwing blame on anybody,
but it is my intention to put before the
House the difficulties which we are fac-
ing. All that we ask for is, if I may use
the expression, the sympathy and sup-
port, particularly of the trade unionists
who are in this House, to help us to sort
out that problem. We have to sort it
out. I do not know low things will
develop in the coming months in rela-
tion to this difficult problem which has
to be solved if industrial relations in IIS-
CO are to be stabilised. Therefore, I
would only content myself by saying that
I would appeal to all of you to help me
in whatever way that you can, particu-
larly those of you who are active in
the trade union movement.

I do not think it is necessary for me
to go into the details of what happen-
ed to Shri Goenka’s shares, how many
he bought, how many he sold, because
they do not matter any more. The
shareholders, as it were, are being put
to sleep by the Bill that is here before
the House. Therefore, the fact that he
will have many shares or a few shares
becomes irrelevant, so far as the con-
duct of work of the Company is con-
cerned.

Finally, 'one or* two allegations have
been made I think Shri Gopal men-
tioned that steel has been given free by
Indian Iron to Indian Standard Wagon.

I do not know from where he received
this startling information. I will certain-
ly check it up and find out whether it
is true or not; it is very unlikely to be
true. Because, it is crossing even ordi-
nary bounds of commercial immorality
which sometimes has been operating in
our country. Of course, it is a fact
that Indian Standard Wagon owed con-
siderable sums of money to Indian Iron

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[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam]
for steel purchased by them. We are
asking them that this should be paid
up.

A question was asked by my hon.
friend, Mr. Mishra, as to why is it that
we did it through an Ordinance and why
is it that we did not take recourse to the
Industrial Development and Regulation
Act. If the hon. Member will look at
Section 18- A A, he will find that it is
somewhat restricted in its operation.
TTiat is, you have to prove either diver-
sion of funds, that is one of the things,
or it means it has to be closed down for
as long as three months. There are
certain conditions laid down. The legal
advice to us was that it may be difficult
to bring the take over of IISCO within
Section 18 A A. The other difficulty was
that even if we took it under Section
18 A A, all those managerial contracts
which we were getting rid of by means
of clause 3 of the Bill will continue to
operate because we would merely be
stepping into the shoes, in a sense, of
the Board of Directors and all the con-
tracts which would bind them would
hind us also. Also, the other provision
which we have put in clause 14 will not
be available to us.

Sir, it is not that we love taking over
organisations like this by an Ordinance.
You will appreciate that if we introduce
a Bill in the House that we are going to
take oyer the IISCO and the Bill is de-
bated in the way in which we debate, in
the way we should debate, and then it
goes to the Rajya Sabha and to the
President for his assent, there is suffi-
cient time for the management which
may not be entirely addicted to honest
methods to do things which may not
be in the interest of the nation — I use
a mild language. This is what ulti-
mately led us to the issue of an Ordi-
nance. We did so in the case of coking
coal mines; wc did so in the case of
copper and we did.it in the case of
IISCO.

It is not that we in any way lack any
respect for Parliament. We do come here
we explain everything that we can. If
we do not resort to an Ordinance on an
occasion like this, I think, we had better
give up Ordinance issuing power at all.
The most justified occasion on which we
can resort to an Ordinance is an occa-
sion of this character. This is the rea-
son whv we did not use Section 18 A A.
I would assure the hon. Member that

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we did consider it and, having consider-
ed and examined it from every point of
view, we came to a conclusion that that
power was not sufficient for enabling us
to take over IISCO. Therefore, we re-
sorted to the take-over by means of an
Ordinance.

The hon. Member also raised a ques-
tion about the expansion of Tata Iron
& Steel Co. I can only say, at this
stage, that the matter is under considera-
tion of the Government. It is perfectly
true and recognised as a fact that ex-
pansion of our steel production cannot
only be by means of building up new
plants. It wil be a short-sighted policy
on our part merely to think of that and
not to consider the expansion of the
existing steel plants, both in the private
and public sectors. We are looking into
the matter as to how we can effect ex-
pansion in both private and public sec-
tor plants and, I hope, within a reason-
able time, we should be able to come
to a decision on that which, of course,
will be brought before the House.

My hon. friend, Mr. Mishra, also rais-
ed the question of rise in prices of steel
products I do not want to go into that
detail. But I would like to assure him
that though the maximum benefit as a
result of the rise in prices is going to
come to the Hindustan Steel and not to
Tata Iron & Steel Co., some benefit is
going to come to Tata Iron & Steel Co.
and to IISCO also. But that is because
we have taken those particular products
where the cost of production itself is
more than the actual price fixed by the
Joint Plan Committee and the Steel
Plan Committee. Naturally, that is not
being fair to the producer and, there-
fore, it is that there has been some
change of this character.

Finally, one or two points were raised
by my hon. friend Mr. Sokhi about
Bokaro. It is true there has been delay.
Wc expected that we would be able to
bring the first blast furnace on steam
during the course of this month. But
after very elaborate discussions with the
Russian specialists, they advised us that
it is better we make certain experiments
regarding the working of the coke oven
plant on the one hand and the sintering
plant and the boiler plant on the other
and be satisfied that they are working
properly because, if we make a mistake
now, we may have to pay heavily after-
wards. We are losing money. There is
no doubt about it. It is something
about which we cannot be happy. But

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it h a fact, these are the reasons and,
ultimately, we have to take account of
the difficulties we have to face in spite
of whatever may be the losses that we
have to suffer immediately.

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE (Bombay
Central) : What about signing the
papers without seeing them ? This is
what Mr. Sokhi said.

Iron and Steel Co . 214

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I would only plead with my hon
mend Mr. Mohanty and other Mem-
bers of the House that despite the fact
that we have still some distance to iro
we have put our feet on the right path
and we will be able to render acco unt
to this House within a year or two in

th? \L W K y . aS f< L s . atisf y hon - Members
tnat the best is being done in the field
of steel.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM: It will not be helpful to go
into that. May I ignore that and leave
it where it is? I think, it is not a con-
troversy which is worth entering into.

My hon. friend, Mr. Mohanty asked
me who is going to take charge of my-
self. I have no answer; I do not know.
I am myself getting desperate about
my activities. Probably, it is better he
keeps a vigilant eye on the way I do
my work. He is right when he says that
I gave a certain commitment and I
have not fulfilled that commitment. I
am acutely conscious of it. I can only
say, as a matter of recognition of facts
as they are, that I would like to put all
the material in regard to the manner in
which we are trying to improve the
steel plants. 1 do not want to use
hyperbole. I think, any hon. Member
who goes down to the Hindustan Steel
Plants and sits down and discusses with
the General Managers, sits down and
discusses with the Board, will appre-
ciate that a very serious and deter-
mined, effort is being made to improve
the position. The tact that we have not
been able to make significant changes
is there. But, I am sure, if you go down
to the Steel Plant, you will appreciate
it. It is not true that nothing is being
done. It takes time to make an im-
provement. I think, we will be able to
bring about improvement quickly.

Unfortunately, this year, in the first
quarter, we suffered very greatly from
power cut both in Durgapur and in
Rourkela. In Bhilai, absenteeism in the
coke oven plant has been very high
during the very hot summer months.
We hope, Bhilai will improve and
Rourkela is also improving. July and
August have been substantially better
months. Durgapur has its own problems
which I did not want to go into now.
But there also, we are poised on the
eve of a change and I am optimistic
even about Durgapur as also about
IISCO. Probably, IISCO is at the pre-
sent moment in the worst position of
all.

Billto the W ’ 1 C ° mmend *“•

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I have
not suggested that there should be »
clean sweep of all the personnel. My
point was whether the top executives
some °f them, should be actually pnv
moted now. They may not be the peo-
ple who were mainly responsible. For

n^L re , aS ° n ’ t hey are B°ing to be given
promotion, from Deputy General
Manager to General Manager and so

iu K-UMARAMAN-
GA l AM; With great respect to my
hon friend, Mr. Indrajit Gupta, the
question as to what the decision Gov-
ernment takes in respect of appoint-
ments t 0 managerial posts of this
character, to debate in detail the right-
ness or wrongness of such decision, be-
comes difficult because we bring in the
merits of individuals. What I tried to
explain to the hon. Member and to the
House was the considerations which
motivated us to ccme to a certain con-
clusion. I would only beg of the hon.
M , e ™ ber to gwe us a chance to see
whether what we have done is rieht
or wrong.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: One
thing more. I want simply to know
whether the head office of IISCO after
the take-over will continue to be locat-
ed as it is at present in the head office
of Martin Burn & Co. in Calcutta

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM: I am afraid, for the time
being, we have really no alternative.
The reason is that the head office of
IISCO occupies a fairly large space. If
we are going to quit and we are forced
to find some other place, it will take us
a little time. It is not easy to find suit-
able accommodation. At the same time,
the hon. Member who is known for his
great interest in labour will remember
that there are some IISCO employees
and Martin Bum & Co. employees

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AUGUST 22, 1972

213

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[Shri S. Median Kumaramangalam}

there. The Martin fruro & Co. em-
ployees are extremely unhappy about
(he prospect of losing the IISCO em-
ployees. We have complications of that
character also. I can only assure him
that though the IISCO head office may
remain in the premises of Martin Burn
& Co., it will not be tainted by that fact.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Dr.
Laxminarain Pandeya is not here 1
shall now put his Resolution to the vote
of the House. The question is:

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You
cannot make any change now, at the
last minute;

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I do not
want to move it in its present form. . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No,
please. You can speak on your amend-
ment. You have other amendments also.
Are you moving them?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I am
moving all the amendments — 6, 8 and
9.

“This House disapproves of the
Indian Iron and Steel Company
(Taking over of Management)
Ordinance, 1972 (Ordinance No. 6
of 1972) promulgated by the presi-
dent on the 14th July. 1972”.

The motion was negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
question is:

“That the Bill to provide for the
raking over of the management of
the undertaking of the Indian Iron
and Steel Company Limited for a
limited period in the public in-
terest and in order' to secure the
proper management of the under-
taking, be taken into considera-
tion.”

The motion was adopted,

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we
t pkp. up clause-by-clause consideration.
There is no amendment to Clause 2.

The question is:

“That Clause 2 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause 2 was addf.d to the BiU.

Clause 3- ( Management of Undertak-
ing of the Company to vest in Central
Government )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There
an a number of amendments to Clause
3...

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: la
Amendment No. 9, later on I have
jotod— it Is a matter of factual correc-
Hoo-mmt thd word ‘smelters' might
remain.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA (Dhanbad) :
I beg to move :

Page 2, line 10, —

omit “for a period of two years”
( 2 )

Page 2, line 16* —

after “refineries,” insert “washing
plant,” (3)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I beg
to move :

Page 2. line 10 and 11, —

omit “and for a period of two years
thereafter” (6)

Page 2, line 16, —

after “project” insert “washeries,”
( 8 )

Page 2, line 16, —
omit “smelters, refineries,” (9)

SHRI B. V NAIK (Kanara) : I beg
to move :

Page 2, line 10, —
after “two” insert “or more” (7)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : As far
as my amendment No. 6 is concerned,
I do not want to elaborate on it now
because in the course of the general
discussion 1 have stated my view-point
on that

About my amendment No. 8, ‘washe-
ries’ should be included here — this is
an omission, I believe — because the
Indian Iron & Steel Co. has got its own
captive mine and they have set up
washeries.. I do not know why this has
been omitted. ‘Washieres* should be in-
cluded.

217 Ra. and Indian SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA)

As I have pointed out in amendment
No. 9, I feel that perhaps this wording
of the clatise was lifted bodily in a
hurry by the officials of his Ministry or
the Law Ministry from the correspond-
ing Ordinance which was done for
Copper Corporation — when the Indian
Copper 1 Coljpoifoltioty Was taken over.
They did not bother to see whether these
words ‘smelters and refineries’ might
apply in the case of Indian Iron & Steel.
I think, the word ‘smelters’ might re-
main because this word has got a diffe-
rent definition; I think, in a steel plant
also, the steel melting shop can be call-
ed a smelter; therefore, I do not mind if
that word remains. But, certainly, there
are no ‘refineries’; this word has nothing
to do with Indian Iron & Steel. There-
fore, the word ‘refineries* should defini-
tely be omitted.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : 1 have moved
an amendment regarding the point on
which the hon. Minister has been good
enough to give a clarification. The
Indian Iron & Steel Company was pro-
ducing in the year 1963-64 about one
million and 27 thousand tonnes of steel.
When you say that you are taking it
over for a period of two years, what is
the task which the Steel Ministry has
taken upon itself to do in those two
years? The hon. Minister has said that
the time is two years, it is a time-bound
one, and that legally there will be diffi-
culties if it is taken over for an unlimi-
ted period of time. I would like to know,
within the course of two years, what
are the tasks which the Steel Ministry
has takeu upon itself to fulfil. Here a
very relevant point comes into opera-
tion. According to its rated capacity, at
least statistically speaking, the Indian
Iron & Steel is still producing about 65
per cent, and if my facts are right, we
have quite a few public undertakings

S here the steel production is about one-
iird or 35 or 4t) per cent. I woud also
like to know what will be the position
in case the Indian Iron and Steel Com-
pany management fails to improve itself
even under Government’s management,
now that we have used the ultimate tool
that is at our disposal, namely, a sort of
nationalisation, a sort of temporary
stop-gap nationalisation

StfRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Court
Of Wards.

SHRI B. V. NAIK. : A sort of Court
. of Wards; it is in respect of children.

Iron and Steel Co. 218
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Has the Steel Ministry, or for that
matter, have we got anything which we
are able to implement at the present
juncture so that these undertaking that
have been taken over will be successful?
On the broader question, I would like
to ask this. They had taken over coak-
ing gas. Now they have taken over
Indian Iron & Steel. It would be better
both for the workers and for all the
people concerned with our industries if
a sort of broad idea regarding wbat are
the ones which we are going to natio-
nalise, whether it will be on the basis. . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What
has that to do with your amendment?

SHRI B. V. NAIK : It has relation
with the two-year period. The two-year
period was based on the fact that it is
going to be temporarily nationalised and
there is also going to be a Custodian in
this behalf.

I would like to obtain an assurance
from the hon. Steel Minister whether this
period of two years would be adequate
or whether there is any provision in the
Act that it could, later on, be extended
for a further period, now that we have
a substantial period at our disposal. I,
therefore, as a sort of enabling provi-
sion, had made this amendment, two
or more years’. My point was whether,
in case there were legal difficulties, it
would not be prudent at the present
juncture itself to ask for a greater
length of time in order to show and tell
the people that we are able to achieve
results at the end of a specified period.

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SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : About amendments 2,

6 and 7 , I have already made clear the
motives that led the Government to fix
this period of two years for take-over
of management because only if a limit-
ed period is fixed under the enactment
would the action of the Government be
protected by Art 31 A and the Govern-
ment is not liable to pay management
compensation. That is the legal advice
we have got and we expect that within
two years we would be able to make a
final decision about what we should do
regarding the future of the company.

I think it was Mr. Naik who suggest-
ed, “Why not put ‘more* after two”.
But as soon as we insert ‘more’ after
•two’ then it becomes indeterminate and,
therefore, it may land us again in
troubles. . . {Interruptions) .

SHRI R. N. SHARMA : If it is kept
ten years, what harm is there.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : We do not claim that
we will take as long as ten years. Why
should we be pessimistic? We will finish

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our work within two years. If we do not
finish, then we come back to this Par-
liament and to hon. Members with
whatever proposals we have.

I would only like, before going to the
next point, to mention that we have no
desire to act as a Court of Wards. That
is all dead and gone. Mr. Joytirmoy
Bosu lives in the past. So, let him be
there. I do not mind. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have
not opened my mouth.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : Unfortunately, you
opened it even sitting there.

So far as the amendments Nos. 3 and
8 are concerned, which really cover the
same thing, I have no objection in ac-
cepting amendment No. 8 . That is to
insert ‘washeries’ after the word ‘pro-
jects’ which really covers the same area.
Although Mr. R. N. Sharma’s amend-
ment No. 3 covers the same point, I
think the term ‘washeries’ is a better
term than the term ‘washing plant’.

Regarding amendment No. 9, I have
no objection to accepting it if it only
covers the omission of the word ‘refine-
ries’; that is to say, the word ‘smelter’
remains but ‘refineries’ may be omitted.
What my friend, Mr. Indrajit Gupta
has pointed out in relation to this
amendment is correct.

Therefore, if I may repeat myself, so
far as amendments 2, 6 and 7 are con-
cerned, I would request the hon. Mem-
bers to withdraw their amendments in
the light of the explanation I have given.
So far as amendment No. 8 is concern-
ed, I accept it and as far as amendment
No. 9 is concerned, I accept it subject
to the word ‘smelters’ being retained and
only the word ‘refineries’ being omitted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In view
of what the Minister said, Mr. Indrajit
Gupta, you may recast your amendment
and give it here.

I will put the rest of the amendments,
viz., 2, 3, 6 and 7 to vote.

Amendments Nos . 2, 3, 6 and 7 were
put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will
put amendment No. 8. The question is :

Page 2, line 16, —
after “projects” insert “washeries."

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The motion was adopted.

MR- DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wiU
now put amendment No. 9, as modified,
by Shri Indrajit Gupta to vote.

The question itt : '

Page 2, line 16,—
omit “refineries”[(9)«r modified] .

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
question is :

“That clause 3, as amended, stand
part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 3, as amended , was added to
the Bill .

Clause 4 was added to the Bill.

Clause 5 — •( Advisory Board.)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Sir. I
beg to move :

Page 3, line 45, —
add at the end—

“ , provided that at least two
members of the Board shall be
representatives of workmen employ-
ed by the company” (10)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Amend-
ment moved :

Page 3, line 45, —
add at the end —

”, provided that at least two
members of the Board shall be
representatives of workmen em-
ployed by the company” (10).

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I heard
the reply given by the hon. Minister to
this suggestion which I have made in
my general observations, but, I am
afraid, I am not convinced. He says that
while they have every intention and de-
sire to include one or more representa-
tives of labour in the Advisory Board,
he does not want to give it a statutory
form because it may lead to some pro-
blems later on as to whether the Board
has been properly or adequately cons-
tituted or not. I do not think this is a
sufficient explanation for rejecting my
amendment. This Advisory Board which
is proposed to be set up is hot a very
small Board. It can have upto 10 mem-
bers who are all to be appointed by the
Central Government. J take it that Jthis
Board is not going to be a part of the
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normal industrial relations machinery.
It is not concerned with settling
disputes between the management
ana the labour. For that purpose, some
other machinery will have to be set up.
We will see what is done about that.

The Advisory Board, I take it, its
main function will be to give advice re-
garding the actual operation, production
and management of the concern and I
am strongly of the opinion that in an
Advisory Board of this kind, the labour
must be directly associated with it and
if it is not given the statutory form,
then ultimately, it is the labour which
will be the main casualty and will be left
out. Despite all good intentions, even-
tually other people and other interests
will find priority of representation and
it is precisely the workers who will be
left out. Therefore, a minimum repre-
sentation should be put in the Bill ac-
cording to me and I can assure him —
he probably knows also as when he went
to Bumpur, he must have heard — that
after all it is one of the Unions which
in July 1972, before we knew anything
about the Government’s decision that
they were going to take it over, brought
out a very detailed and factual bulletin
and memorandum which was sent to
the Government also in which they have
worked out the whole case for a take
over of the management and all their
criticisms and suggestions have to do
with the question of production, not with
the question of workers’ demands and
all that. I am sure if he has seen it, he
cannot fail to be impressed by the fact
that this Union has made such a serious
and sober study of the internal working
of this company and it is Unions like
this, other Unions also, whose represen-
tatives sitting in the Advisory Board, I
am sure, can play a very helpful and
constructive role in this field and I hope
he will try to give up this old out-
moded attitude towards workers, es-
pecially, when he seeks their co-opera-
tion not only in agreeing to a new type
of shift work — I hope on that, of course
he is there — he must also give them an
opportunity and invite their help and co-
operation in matters concerning the day-
to-day management and production. I
feel, Sir, I need not labour this point.
When an Advisory Board with upto ten
members can be constituted, according
to the BilL he should provide jp it>pnly
expressly that a minimum representation
for labour will be there.

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He said, it becomes difficult to decide
who are the workers representatives.

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IShri Indrajk QQpU)

Hub is no argument because you can do
it by ballot or some ocher method. It is
done in other cases. It is a question of
procedure to be decided later oil There-
fore, there is no excuse for eliminating
them from the advisory board. I agree,
he is not directly eliminating them, but
I think the implication will be there, if
it is not expressly provided and therefore
I am pressing my amendment.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : The difficulty arises in
the sense that if we do not include the
representatives of the workers the cons-
titution of the Board may be challenged
as illegal and this is a point to which
I replied in the general discussion of the
Bill. It is not that we do not want to
include workers’ representative. We do
want it. We do not want to make it man-
datory. We do not want to make it a
statutory mandate, because even if we
are unable to do it as we have been
unable to do it in the case of HSL, it
would then be open to anybody to go to
a court and challenge the constitution of
the Board as illegal. That is why I ac-
cept the spirit of the amendment but
unfortunately I cannot accept it in fact.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Can you
give assurance that organised labour will
be taken in on the advisory board?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : I already gave one of
the assurances that we do intend to in-
clude representatives of the workers on
ihe Board; I had explained it already;
I do not ant to repeat for a third time
why I cannot accept his amendment.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will
put his amendment to the vote of the
House.

Amendment No. 10 was put and
.negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
^question is :

"“That Cause 5 stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 5 was added to the Bill •
•Clauses 6 to 13 w ere added to the Bill .

Cl— s 14- ( Contracts in bad faith may
be cancelled or varied .)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I beg to
unove amendment No. 11 for Cause 14.

1 beg to mom :

Page 6, line 20, —

omit “has been entered into in bad
faith, and” (11)

This clause reads as follows :

If the Central Government is satis-
fied, after such enquiry as it may thiny
fit, that any contract or agreement
entered into at any time within three
years immediately preceding the ap-
pointed day between the company or
the managing agents of the company
and any other person in so far as
such contract or agreement relates to
the undertaking of the company, has
been entered into in bad faith, and is
detrimental to the interests of the
undertaking of the company, it may
make an order cancelling or vary-
ing .. . such contract . . .

The amendment that I have moved is :
Omit “has been entered into in bad faith,
and”. The reason for my amendment in
this. At present every contract or agree-
ment has to satisfy two conditions, before
that can be cancelled. One is, that it
should be detrimental to the interest of
the company. The second is, it should be
entered into in ‘bad faith’. It is only under
such cases that such agreement or con-
tract could become cancellable. I sug-
gest that this is a very dangerous clause
and there is a loophole in it. This should
be plugged. I will give one instance. I
do not know why Martin Bum is being
referred to as managing agents because
contracts now were not entered into
with Martin Burn as managing agents
but Martin Bum as Secretaries. Since
1970 they have not been managing
agents. Even after the managing agency
was abolished, this Martin Bum, as
secretaries have taken in 1970-71.
Rs. 37.71 lakhs and in 1971-72 Rs. 38.57
lakhs from the IISCO for various
charges. Secretary’s remuneration is the
biggest item. Rs. \\ lakhs is taken on
that. And then comes Rs. 44 lakhs for
Cash Department’s service charges.
Yesterday the Minister rightly said, this
has been done, as if IISCO cannot have
its own cash department service. There
is another item called rent on which
they take Rs. 7.88 lakhs for rent of floor
space of the IISCO office inside Martin
Burn building. I am afraid Mr. Mohan
Kumaramangalam will have to pay this
because it is going to remain in this
building.

Then for the car charges,

they charge Rs. 30; pet annum.

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joint ttrrace eipnues of offices of Cal*
cutta, London, Kanpur, Bombay, Delhi
and Patna comes to Hi. 37 to Rs. 58
lakhs. The bon. Minister will agree that
this type of agreement is detrimental to
the interest of IISCO. Neither can he
prove nor can I prove that this is some-
thing entered into in bad faith. Accord-
ing to this provision it has to be proved
that they were entered into in bad faith.
If it is challenged in a court of law
on this ground, what will be the posi-
tion? Therefore these words should be
omitted.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : Tliere is lot of point in
what the hon. Member has said. It is
possible that if the clause is left in the
same form in which it is at present in
the Bill it will in fact become nugatory.
It is difficult for anybody to prove that
the contract has been both entered into
in bad faith and is detrimental. This is
a conjunctive. But the difficulty about
the amendment is that it seeks to take
out something which also should be
there. If the hon. Member is prepared to
accept my suggestion, 1 think, that per-
haps would be the best.

Instead of the word ‘and’ let him put
in the word ‘or’ because that gives it a
wider cannotation. That is, if it is enter-
ed into solely in bad faith it can be
invalidated; if it is entered into solely
so as to be detrimental to the interest to
the company, it can be invalidated.
There is no possibility of Government
misusing this power and they can be re-
lied upon to look into the thing careful-
ly and come to right conclusion. Instead
of ‘and’ if he agrees to have ‘or’ we
may re-shape the amendment and it
may be accepted.

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : I agree
to that

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; I like
the spirit of ‘give and take’ but it would
have been much better if the Member
and the Minister had thrashed it out
before coming to the House, instead of
putting us in this sort of confusion.
Anyway, since they have all agreed, I
think we shall allow Shrj Indrajit Gupta
to make an alteration in his amendment
to delete the word ‘and’ and to put in
the word ‘or’.

The modified amendment would read
aa follows ;

ftge 6, line 20. for ’and* substitute
‘or*.

I shall pot this modified amendment
now to vote.

The question is :

Page 6, line 20, for 'and* substitute
‘or’ [(11) as modified .]

the motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
question is :

“That clause 14, as amended, stand
part of the Bill”.

The motion was adopted.

Clause 14, as amended , was added to
the Bill.

Clauses 15 to 17 were added to the

Bill.

Clause 1 .and the Enacting Formula
were added to the Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is
an amendment to the Title by Sbri R. N.
Sharma. Is he moving it?

SHRI R. N. SHARMA : No, Sir.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
question is :

‘That the Title stand part of the Bill”.
The motion was adopted.

The Title was added to the Bill.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
M AN GAL AM : I beg to move :

“That the Bill, as amended, be
passed”.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion
moved :

“That the Bill, as amended, be
passed”.

SHRI JYOTIRM0Y BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Now, we see that the com-
pany goes to the court of wards. We
usually knew that court of wards was
meant for those who had defaulted in
revenue. I do not know what sort of
revenue this company had defaulted in.

I shall go into a little detail about it
later on. The whole thing is very foggy
and it is not clear at all. There is a lot
of whisper in die air, add I do not real-
ly understand what this Government
will really do In such a big steel plant
in two yean. We want Sbri S. Mohan

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Kumaramangalam to spell out quite
clearly and categorically what he pro-
poses to do in the steel plant.

I cannot understand why Government
have not nationalised all the steel plants.
They have an Industrial Policy Resolu-
tion which they never try in the open
because it is convenient for them and
they have taken only some pious reso-
lution, and, therefore, they go in for
this hanky-panky business. I had written
to the Prime Minister two years ago
urging her to nationalise both the steel
plants, and her reply was that Govern-
ment had no such intention to nationa-
lise the steel plants. This is all very
sudden thought. The hon. Minister, it
seems, has a very special love for the
Tatas. Mr. J. R. D. Tata has become
their friend, philosopher and guide, as
we see from the memorandum and as
we see from the latest information that
has come out in the Economic Times
which says :

“The expansion of TISCO from
the present rated capacity of 2 million
tonnes to 4 million tonnes (100 per
cent increase) has been agreed upon
by the Steel Minister. It is understood
that it has been agreed that only the
expanded part of TISCO, not the
whole of TISCO will be in the joint
sector/’.

So, they have been very successfully
able to hoodwink Government and get
permission to raise their production by
2 million tonnes, which is hundred per
cent of their present capacity, under
the pretext of this new hoax namely the
joint sector.

What is happening to the Industrial
Policy Resolution? They are not only
not taking over the steel plants, but they
are also expanding the capacity of the
private sector plant by hundred per cent
under the garb of the joint sector. There
was a lot of criticism some time ago
about the mini-steel plants, but now they
are expanding the capacity of a private
sector steel plant by hundred per cent
under the garb of joint sector. The quo-
tation which I have given from the
Economic Times must be an eye-opener
I say that I am unable to understand
what Sbri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam
had stated yesterday, but 1 would not go
into the details, because the time at my
disposal is very short. I only want to
teU him that the Hazara Report on the
corporate sector says that Hat 'Tatas

have Jess than 10 per cent of' the equity
holdttggs in TISCO, and the.LIC, gov-
ernmental financing institutions and the
World Bank have very major holdings;
about this, of course, Dr. Hazare is very
silent

About the operation of the sector
which the hon. Minister directly con-
trols, let me give the figures from the
Report of the Ministry of Steel and
Mines. The output of HSL in 1970-71
was Rs. 426.55 lakhs, and in 1971-72,
it was Rs. 378.30 lakhs. The total invest-
ment in HSL till 31st March, 1971 is
Rs. 1025.98 crores. What are the work-
ing results? The working results for the
various units during 1969-70 and 1970-
71 were as under : For Durgapur steel
Plant, it was — 20.401 crores of rupees;
for the Fertiliser Plant at Rourkela. it
was — 2.596 crores of rupees; I would
not go into all the details. But the total
is — 5.406 crores of rupees. That is the
wonderful performance. I say, Doctor,
heal thyself. If Government are serious
about their business, then they should
nationalise all the steel plants in the
country which are in the private sector.
But they are not anxious to do that.

Now, I come to the production of
steel and the brilliant performance of
Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam who
is trying to find fault with others. In the
case of Durgapur, it was 1100,000
tonnes in 1965-66. but now it has gone
down to 700,000 tonnes. In the case of
Rourkela it has come down from

1065.000 tonnes to 823,000 tonnes, and
in the case of TISCO, it has come down
from 2001,000 tonnes to 1079,000
tonnes, and in the case of IISCO, it has
come down from 970,000 tonnes to

617.000 tonnes.

Now, I come to the production of
saleable steel, by the main producers.
In the case of Durgapur, while it was

684.000 tonnes in 1965-66 it came
down to 432,000 tonnes in 1971-72,
while in the case of Rourkela, it came
down from 782,000 tonnes to 598,000
tonnes, and in the case of TISCO, it has
come down from 1,568,000 tonnes to

1.386.000 tonnes.

This has been the performance of the
steel plants.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon.
Member is talking about the, perfor-
mance of the steel Ministry. But what
about the Bill? What has - he to astf on
the Bill?

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BQSU : J am
talking about the Bill. My entire pur*
pose in quoting these figures is to show
that ‘the purpose of Government in
bringing forward this measure is not to
really better the economic condition of
the country but this step is being taken
with a particular motive. I am coming
to that presently. That is why I have
quoted these figures. This is nothing but
a black feather on hia topi.

I now come tel the observations of the
Committee on Public Undertakings
about Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam's
Ministry. This is a wonderful piece of
chit. The committee say :

“The Committee are not satisfied
with the reasons advanced for the
abnormally low production.”.

This is what they say at page 27. Again,
at page 30, they say :

“The Committee regret to note that
even after nine years of the commis-
sioning of the wheel and axle plant,
the management have not been able
to produce the steel ingots of requir-
ed sizes for the wheel-making.”.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : How long
could a Member go on being irrelevant?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Oh
Christ Almighty, why don’t you keep
your mouth shut?

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM: Why can he not
behave properly in the House?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Let him
better set an example.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA-
MANGALAM : I must protest on be-
half of the other people here that he
talks so rudely. We are also trying to
observe certain . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am
not yielding. Sir.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon.
Member should be very brief, because
we have to take up some other discus-
sion at 3 pan.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then,
the Committee on Public Undertakings
say :

“The Committee regret to note that
the HSL”.

MR. DEPUTY iSPEAKBR : I must
say that this is an arffUgpaMMtf against
the performance of the Steel Ministry,
but it has very' Httfe connection with
the Bill.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am
pointing out all this because they are
trying to find fault with others. We are
for nationalisation of the entire steel
industry. But why do this kind of thing
under the pretext of inefficient manage-
ment. . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He may
reserve all this feu* some other occasion.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then,
the Committee on Public Undertakings
have said :

“The Committee regret to note that
the HSL has suffered a cumulative
loss of Rs. 172.83 crores by the end
of March, 1970.”.

In the last page of their report, the
Committee say :

“The examination of HSL has, how-
ever, revealed serious deficiencies in
the working of the undertaking which
are summarised as follows : Low
production, high cost of productivity,
high rate of consumption of raw mate-
rial, over-stalling, low productivity,
heavy capital expenditure, heavy re-
curring loss.”.

SHRI VASANT SATHE: He is in
fact supporting the arguments of Martin
Burn.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : If this
Government mean business, then they
should nationalise all the steel plants
and not go on further with this sort of
thing and take the time of this House
unnecessarily.

IS hrs.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMAR AMAN-
GALAM : I have no doubt when Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu returns to Calcutta, he
will be welcomed with garlands by Sir
Biren Mukerjee because he is the only
person who has spoken in this manner
during this entire debate. It might also
be useful for him to remember . . .
( Interruptions .) We listened to him
patiently; he should also listen patiently
when I reply; I know he cannot suc-
ceed, but he should make an attempt.

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SHRI JYOTIRMbY BOSU: This
it your atroiuM >' •

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : I think arrogance is a boot
that fits another foot, not mine.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You
are too big for your foot.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : If we look at the perfor-
mance of the steel plants, Rourkela,
Bhilai and Durgapur, I am sure hon.
members will see from the very figures
which Jhe bon. member '.quoted that
they carry in this a tale. The profit of
Rourkela in 1969-70 was Rs. 7.8 crores
and in 1970-71 Rs. 10 crores; in Bhilai
the profit was Rs. 3 crores and Rs. 11
crores for these two years: There is the
same management, as it were, for all
the three steel plants, but in Durgapur,
we had a loss of Rs. IS crores in 1969-
70 and Rs. 20 crores in 1970-71. I do
not say we have not managerial weak-
nesses; we have many. I do not say
that we do pay sufficient attention to
maintenance; we do not. I do not say
many improvements cannot be brought
about; they can. But Shri Bosu should
sometimes look into the mirror and see
why it is that in Durgapur the position
is different compared to the other two.
TEe reason is that Shri Bosu and his
friends are so non-co-operative there.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is
because of the wrong attitude adopted.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : He may not like to hear the
truth. But truth is truth and will have
to be told, even if he does not like to
hear it. That is all I want to say in
reply.

I know that hon. members and the
House as a whole have warmly welcom-
ed this Bill. I have explained all the
points in detail. I do not want to re-
peat myself and say why we have taken
over the management. I am quite con-
fident it will improve the position. I am
quite confident we will improve the
position . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We
say: nationalise.

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : I am quite sure that we will
do far more for IISO and far more for
the people of Bengal than Shri Bosu
and his friends have done for long.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
question is :

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed".
The motion was adopted *

15.03 hrs.

DISCUSSION RE. POWER CRISIS
IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
COUNTRY

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) :
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I would have
called the present power crisis in
the country as scandalous, but 1
prefer to call it extremely alarming in
view of its effect on the interest of the
development of our national economy.
The hon. Minister has not assured
us that it will be possible for Govern-
ment to surmount the present crisis or
even lesson its impact; on the contrary,
he has sounded a note of caution, a
warning, that 1973 and 1974 may not
also be years of satisfaction but rather
of accentuation of the power crisis in
our country.

Almost every day whenever we open
any newspaper in the morning, we find
the words ‘power crisis’, ‘power famine’,
‘power cut down’ and such like words,
regarding the power crisis.

Sir, strangely, this phenomenon of
power crisis or power famine, as you
may call it, is not a sudden growth.
It is not like flood or earthquake. But
it is almost a continuous process for
the last few years. If you go through
the papers, why papers, in almost every
corner of the country, be it Gujarat, be
it Ahmedabad, be it Calcutta or Har-
yana, from every corner, you will find
complaints coming in — there is a report
of power shedding, shortfall of power
or power cut, and so on and so forth.
Therefore, this crisis is not of the nature
of a sudden growth but it is a conti-
nuous one, and this continuity follows
a long and faulty planning in regard
to the power requirements of our
country.

Today, I wanted to use very strong
words against the Minister of Power;
I was even in a mood to ask him to
resign, but I want to desist from doing
so. I want to desist from doing so,
because on goihg through all the as-
pects of the problem, I find that he

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alone ts not responsible, bat it is doe
to the Planning Commission, and I
should say, quite to a large extent due
to the callousness of the Central Gov-
ernment, which is also squarely and col-
lectively responsible for the present
power crisis.

We find so many meetings of the
National Development Council, meet-
ings of Chief Ministers very frequently
held, on land ceiling, urban ceiling and
on many other issues. But we have not
found, even on a single occasion, the
Central Government having felt con-
cerned over it, or having felt that this
is a problem which has to be tackled
very seriously and urgently and with a
sense of urgency at the highest level.
There have been no special meetings
either of the Central Cabinet or of the
Ministers of the different States or of
the National Development Council to
dwell in depth on the problem of the
power crisis in our country.

Power is a key to the kinetics of
economic improvement. In other words,
just as blood circulation is essential
for the living body, similarly, trans-
mission of power is absolutely essential
for the economic growth of our coun-
try. But we find that this vital issue
which is Kitting at the very root of our
national development has not been look-
ed into properly, not today but by the
makers of our planning.

Sir, what is the effect that we find
today? We find that a crisis has deve-
loped in the production in farms and
factories; in industry and agriculture; in
trade and commerce; in all aspects and
in all spheres, production is being cut
as a result of power shortage. When
there is loss in production or where
there is failure in production, it results
in unemployment, and it results in price
rise, and eventually leading to inflation
also. Therefore, the power crisis in
many aspects has been leading to a
vicious cycle of the economic crisis in
our country.

As I have said it is strange that this
crisis is the cumulative effect of the
faulty planning of the requirements of
power of a developing country like ours.
Our Planning Commission, — and perhaps
the Ministry of Irrigation and Tower
also contribute to it— made an assess-
ment regarding power requirement.
What is the assessment? They made
an assessment, comparing it with the

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economic growth of our country, that
there will be an yearly demand of 12

E r cent growth in power production.

t what ultimately transpired ? During
the last two years ft was found that
there was a big gap. fhe rate of de-
mand or the yearly demand for power
was not 12 per cent Actually it turned
out to be 20 to 30 per cent; the average
is about 25 per cent. That means that
there was & gap of about 15 per cent
in their assessment of the requirement.
The rate of growth of the economy in
the industrial and agricultural sectors
and the rate of growth of power pro-
duction must run parallel* but it has not
been so; it has been running in diver-
gent directions. This shows that the
planners had not properly assessed re-
quirements or production capacity.

What was the target set for the
Fourth Plan ? 23 mkw of p ower which
was to be attained by 1974. Statistics
and figures, are quite interesting. One
figure is given by the Government and
some other figure is given by other eco-
nomists. * It was reported that Dr. Rao
himself or somebody else said, perhaps
in favour of some kind of a reserve
capacity for power production, that the
production target should be 26 mkw;
somebody else said it should be 28
mkws.

According to the latest figures given
by the Government, by the end of 1972
capacity will be 17.7 mkw. Economic
Times and some other papers say that
by 1972 the production will be only
15 mkws or 16 mkws; nobody is saying
it will be 17.7 mkws or that the target
will be reached. Even Mr. A. K. Ghosh
in the brochure published by the Minis-
try admitted that there would be a
gap of two million kws. According to
the calculations of other experts the
gap would be 4-5 mkws. I do not
know. What will be the exact gap.

The current increase in growth rate
appears to be about a million kws a
year; it may be more according to the
Government calculatiqns. The Govern-
ment said that there would be a gap of
two million kws; according to other
calculations it will be 3 or 4 mkws. Tie-
hind the target that was fixed for 1972.

On such faulty assessment as the base,
the Government have made another am-
bitious programme for the next ten
years and by 1980 the Government ex-
pect to reach 52 mkw of power produc-
tion. The Government have said that

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[Shri Samar Gub|}

by 1977 it will be $5 mkw Even if
we concede to the claim

lhat there will be onto* two million kw
lap by the end of 3972, which means
about 18 mkw of tip power, the Gov-
ernment will have tc* produce by 1977.
in the past the Government have not
been able to increase the rate of pro-
duction by more than a million kws
a year.

Even If the production is doubled,
it would be extremely difficult to reach
the target of 35 million kw. by 1977.

The Government have referred to 2.5
million kw of hydel, 2.5 million kw of
thermal and 1.2 million kw nuclear
power. They have said 8.5 million kw
is already sanctioned and they expect
to have 9.2 million kw of new genera-
tion schemes. The Government have
not given us any idea of the new gene-
ration scheme, whether it will be in the
nuclear sphere, hydel sphere or thermal
sphere and on what basis these calcu-
lations were made.

The most important point is that the
Government announced a new target of
energising 15 lacks of new tubewells.
That means the Government are coming
out with a new programme of rural
electrification. That means the Gov-
ernment will have to divert power to
the agricultural sphere which was not
within the view when they formulated
ten-year plan. This is a new factor
which has to be taken into considera-
tion.

I say that the whole basis of the as
sessment of requirement of power, an<
our capacity fo produce power, has no
been realistically assessed by our plan
ners. There are so many duplication
of organisations. There is the Irriga
tion Ministry, the Planning Commissioi
and the Central Water & Power Com
mission, composed of part-timers. On
of the most important reasons for thi
faulty, wrong, incorrect and unreal as
sessment of our requirement and capa
city to produce new power is that then
is no co-ordinated body. That is one o
me reasons for the power crisis.

* ^ope wi!1 a « ree when

say that if the Government want tc
tackle this problem effectively the mbs
important thing to be done is that then

«nH U n- a ,. Cent f al Power Productfor
and Distribution Authority. Unless tft

Government da that, it will be impos-
sible to tackle the power crisis today
or in the future in our country. There
is u report in the press that the Plan-
ning Commission is not agreeable to
such suggestion to have a centralised
authority to deal with the whole power
problem

Though there are Electricity Boards
in every State, they are running to the
Centre every time for help. The State
Electricity Boards have failed to tackle
the problem of power in the States.
Therefore, it is absolutely essential that
the Centre should take over this subject.
Even though it is in the Concurrent
List, by the consent of all the Chief
Ministers of States, the Government
can constitute a central authority for
dealing with this subject.

I have said that power is the kinetic
of our economic movement; power is
the key to the whole economic growth
of our country. Therefore, unless power
is dealt with firmly on a national basis,
it will be a disaster for the future of
our economy. Therefore, there should
be a central authority, if necessary
even by changing of the constitutional
provisions. That statutory central body
should have whole- time members and
not part-timers like the Central Power
Commission. If the Government can
do it then only they will be able to
tackle this problem.

The first function of this body would
be to re-assess the whole requirements,
the earlier demand for power and also
how it would be comparable with the
rate of growth of our economy, both
in the agricultural as well as in the in-
dustrial sector.

There are three sectors of power gene-
ration, the hydel sector, the thermal
sector and also the atomic sector. In
the atomic sector, it is only a very
small contribution,^ that is, 0.8 per cent.
Then, after the failure of the first unit
of the Tarapore Atomic Plant, there is
the threat of the failure of the second
unit of the Tarapore Atomic Plant also.
Now, they say, there is a fault in the
design in the construction of the Tara-
pore unit. t Again, the liana Pratap
Sagar Atomic Project is now critical.
The power production will start soon.
Now, I should say, that in the atomic
sector, care must be taken to see that
there is nd loophole left in design of
the construction of the power plant.

23$ Power crisjg SRAVANA 3Ii

lie Kalpakam plant is also coming.
Therefore, they should be careful
against the future posibility of deve-
loping any design defects in our nuclear
installations.

As regards the hydel sector, it is an
admirable achievement on the part of
the Government as in the last 2± decades
that there has been four times increase
in the production of electricity in the
hydel sector.

Then, 1 find, there is greater empha-
sis on the thermal side. If we really
want to put greater emphasis on ther-
mal power production, we have to see
that there is availability of wagons and
maintenance of traffic. The Govern-
ment have to see that coal moves and
moves quickly. The Power Ministry
will have to sit with the Railway Minis-
ter to see that the wagon production
is maintained. The Government should
have to see that traffic is maintained,
that there is no undue delay, erratic
delay, in the movement of coal. This
is absolutely essential.

There is another point about the im-
port of crude oil. Unless the Govern-
ment can increase the import of crude
oil, there is no possibility of increasing
the production of electricity in the ther-
mal plant sector.

All these aspects have to be taken in-
to consideration. That is the reason
why I have said that" there should be a
Central statutory body consisting of ex-
perts of the Railways, the Planning
Commission and also from different
other sectors so that there will be an
integrated, a coordinated plan. That
Central authority should exert to see
that they will be able to execute the
policy that they will adopt both in the
sphere of production and in the sphere
of distribution, in the sphere of trans-
mission. This is the lorrg~-range pers-
pective.

Now, I come to the short-term pers-
pective. Today, we are talking about
economic recovery of West Bengal. In
PariSibad, just a few' months back, 900
factories were partially closed. Their
capacity was, I should say, not fully uti-
lised. The same thing happened in
Ahmedabad; the same thing happened
in Bombay. Whaf about Calcutta? Due
to the power shedding and rationalisa-
tion of power, Calcutta industries had

1W4 (SAKA) in the Country (Bis.) 238

to give up the three-shift week: Be-
cause the Government cannot supply
pbwef, the result is that there is colos-
sal w&te of bur production capacity;
there is colossal waste in our industrial
production . and, I. should say, there is
colossal waste of employment potential.
There is colossal waste of our hidden
production capacity also. It remains
completely unutilised. It a tall talk
that there is going to be economic reco-
very of'West Bengal. West Bengal in-
dustries can produce in one shift, two
shifts and three shifts. But due to the
power shortage, they cannot work even
in one shift

We find, only a few days before,
there was a threat in West Bengal and
Bihar that coal production may be
stopped because of the wagon scarcity
and other things. These ate the things
to be looked into.

Now, I want to go to another impor-
tant point. We are talking of a natio-
nal grid for the transmission of electri-
city. That is a very high objective. But
at the moment, that is not possible.
At least, tfie^ Government could estab-
lish a regional grid. "What we find is
that there is one crisis region — West
Bengal, Bihar and U.P.; another crisis
region in regard to industrial and agri-
cultural production— Haryana, Punjab
and Delhi an<T~ another crisis region —
Gujarat and Maharashtra. There are
States where there is shortage of power;
whereas there are States where there is
surplus of power. So is the case in the
case of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, My-
sore and Kerala. At least, for the tem-
porary benefit, to meet this crisis on a
short-term basis, some regional grids can
be set up. The Government can inte-
grate Orissa, West Bengal, Bihar and
Uttar Pradesh. We can at least try to
equate /transmission of regional power.
We can have another grid : Maharash-
tra. Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, and
another of Delhj, Haryana, Punjab and
Rajasthan. Another regional grid can
be set up with Mysore, Andhra Pra-
desh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu inter-
connected. If these regional grids are
set up, at least to a' certain extent the
problem of shortage of power will be
met.

In our country, m the process of
transmission of electricity, 16 per cent
of electricity is lost. Our present pro-
duction target is 17.7 million kilowatts
and one-sixth of that is lost. In no

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[Shri Samar Guha]

other country id the worid is there such
a huge loss in the process of transmis-
sion. In America it is less than half
of this. In every country in the process
of transmission there it loss of power.
But here it is more than 16 per cent.

If you give serious attention, 1 think,
it is possible to reduce it to half; the
loss of power in the process of trans-
mission can be curtailed to half of the
present loss; 8 or 9 or 10 per cent elec-
tricity can lie thus saved in the process
of transmission. The Minister of Irri-
gation and Power has said that there
are problems of having standardisation
of plant, better equipment, maintenance,
to deal with breakdowns of plants etc.
Certainly, that is the reason why I say
that a co-ordinated body is necessary
to tackle all the problems.

I find that the estimate of power con-
sumption in T968-69 was : industry
70.1%; domestic lighting and commer-
cial purposes 14.3%; agriculture 8.8%;
and others 6.8%. For 1973-74 the
figures are: industry 69.1%; domestic
use and others 12%; agriculture 11.9%;
and others 6.8%. That means, there
will be a three per cent increase in the
case of agricultural sector. That is all-
right. But for domestic and others we
find that in 1968-69 it was 21.1% and
in 1973-74 we are going to use 18.8%.
You may not rationalise power supply
in the case of industry or agriculture,
but drastic rationalisation of power sup-
ply is necessary in the case of domestic
sphere and others. Kerosene can be
used. Our industry is .the main thing;
agricultural production is an important
thing. For domestic uses, kerosene can
be used. If need be, after 10 P.M.
there should be no lights in the streets.
That way it is possible to bring about
some reduction here. We are going to
use 18.8% of our power supply for
domestic and other purposes ! We have
to rationalise this consumption, if need
be, by reverting to the mediaeval age
in order to promote the growth of eco-
nomy in the spheres of industry and
agriculture.

15.30 hrs.

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SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA
5erampore) : The power crisis has be-
om e an all-India feature, and almost a
ermanent crisis, whatever may be tne
rofessions of this Government or ot
)r K L Rao. Only on the 8th of
bis month. Dr. K. L. Rao in reply to
question stated so many reasons for
be power crisis and the shortage of
ower, but he cleverly avoided what
oncrete steps he was going to take to

i_. it.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY
(Nizamabad): Sincerely avoided.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA : He cleverly avoided; of course,
he could have been sincere in this res-
pect, namely to shield the face of this
Government, because they are not sin-
cere in any respect to see that the
people live in comfort.

The situation in the eastern region
and especially in West Bengal, Tripura,
Bihar and Assam defies any description.
You will find from the papers that in
this region there is a daily agitation not
only by the ordinary people but even
by the big industrialists that due to
power failure, they are facing serious
crisis in respect of production. Govern-
ment were very keen that the economic
situation in West Bengal should be
improved and' brought up to the proper

245 :

£ 0 W ernrtsto

SRAVANA 31, 1594 iSAKA) in tho Count W (JDi ».) 2#

position and 4*y said would

beta in ail respects. But the papers
whfbh are very much looking to the
interests of the Government and are
supporting the Government s policy
have come forward with the statement
that they, are feeling shaky to make
fresh investment not only in West Ben-
gal but also in Bihar.

What is happening in the neighbour-
ing State of Bihar? Since the month
of April, we are hearing complaints
about the power station at Pathratu;
that is in a chaotic condition. While
the installed capacity is 400 MW, it is
only generating 44 MW. It caters
power to the Chota-Nagpur range areas.
The same is the position in regard to
the Barauni generating plant. While its
capacity is 145 MW it is actually pro-
ducing only 66 MW. As a result of
this, the small and big industries in the
Barauni range are suffering.

Coming to the industrial situation in
West Bengal, I Wotfld submit that it is
in doldrums. There is not a day on
which there is no power shedding. Not
only the industries, but even the citi-
zens living in the towns are facing the
same crisis. We are not speaking of
power in respect of tube-wells or in the
agriculture sector. For, the tube-wells
are only in name in our State, while
there are so many in Punjab. Many
things have been said about tube-wells,
but you would not find any tube-well
functioning in West Bengal; even the
small number of tube-wells which are
run with power are at a standstill.
But you will not find them running in
due time. The main reason, as far as
we can gather from the statements of
Ministers at the Centre and in the State,
is that the generating capacity to meet
the demand is less and hence this shor-
tage. But even the existing plants can-
not run to full rated capacity.

What is happening to the Bandal
thermal power station ? Four units,
each having 85 MW capacity, were in-
stalled. When it was planned, it was
shown as if all the units would run
simultaneously, but in actual practice,
it has been seen that one has to remain
as a standby. Even 50 per cent of the
projected capacity cannot be generated
from the station. The lame is the situa-
tion regarding the TPL and other. pro-
jects In the Start sector.

r nr ** * ~ * ~ ^ *).■ 1

There are stale companies run pri-
vately like the Calcutta Electric Supply

Corporation. They are playing tricks.
They are taking advantage of the pre-
sent ~ Gbvemnjent and intentionally
keeping their capacity idle. The mystery
is this : they get power at a cheaper
cost from the State Electricity Board.
At night when the Calcutta Electric
Supply Corporation uses power from
the State Electricity Board, they are to
pay only 2P per unit; during daytime
they get it at merely 4.5P or so. The
same company is selling power to in-
dividual consumers at 19P per unit day
and night.

Recently, the Calcutta Electric Sup-
ply Corporation have told the State
Government — it has appeared in the
papers — thajt they can even generate to
the extent of 30-40 MW if certain con-
cessions are given to them. What con-
cessions are demanded the papers do
not say. , But my point is that whatever
Dr. Rao might say, at the present mo-
ment, the total installed generating
capacity in West Bengal is not more
than 1,500 MW. But we do not get
that. We get far less. There is a daily
gap of 30 MW. The State Government
sometimes behaves like Mohammed Bin
Tughlak holding their Cabinet meeting
in this city or that district town. In
the same way, today they may say that
there will be rationing in power, and
another day, two or three days after-
wards, jou will see that there will be
staggering of the working hours in the
factories. There is no decision. They
are still in indecision as to how to
make up this gap, and as a result
of this, I do not say that if all the con-
trol of power generating stations and
the responsibility are taken over by the
Government at the Centre, then the
West Bengal people will be happy and
they will get full power. I have no
belief.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please con-
clude.

SHRI * DINBN BHATTACHARY-
YA : I say that, on the other hand, the
whole policy not only in respect of
power but in respect of other issues also
is wrong. (Interruption* i).

MR. CHAIRMAN : We are not dis-
cussing other issues; we are discussing
only power. Please finish. Your time
is over.

SHRl D1NEN BHATTACHAIW-
YA: Why are you getting agitated? I
do not have any faith* ia- the , Cfentral

247 fmtcrisit AUGUST 22, 1972 i»!fuC*mtry(J)i 3 .) 248

[Shri Disea Bbattachgryya]

Government. I say that home concrete
steps have to be taken. You us speak-
ing of the Santhaldih project What is
the condition of it ? 1 blow it has come
in the papers. You. Sit, are also inte-
rested in it, because you live in Bihar
which is our neighbouring State. There,
the machines have come long back, but
they are not installed.

MR. CHAIRMAN : You should con-
clude now.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA : Even if you put the Santhaldih
project into operation, the power de-
mand of West Bengal will not be met.
So, my submission is that the Govern-
ment at the Centre must make up their
mind as to how to make up this gap
of 30 megawatts and also to see that
the Calcutta Electricity Supply Corpo-
ration is taken over, so that they may
not play havoc at the time of our crisis.
(Interruption). The Calcutta Electricity
Supply Corporation should be taken
over. ...

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Bibhuti
Mishra.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA: Sir, I have not completed.

MR. CHAIRMAN : You have com-
pleted.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA : The Government at the Centre is
bungling in the matter of power supply.

(Interruption).

MR. CHAIRMAN: I have got a
number of speakers on the list.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA : That is the main reason why our
people are suffering. So, the Minis-
ter must be honest enough to
admit — **

MR. CHAIRMAN :’ No, please.
Nothing will go on record. Shri Bibhuti
Mishra.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY-
YA : If three hours time is allotted,
what is our Group’s share ? You calcu-
late it.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You have al-
ready taken 14 minutes. Shri Bibhuti
Mishra.

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DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : Mr.
Chairman., famines and floods have been
stalking our country for the last several
years and now they have become acute.
What is the perspective before the coun-
try in regard to generation of power?
Dr. Rao, who is our Irrigation and
Power Minister for the last ten years,
has mentioned in his statement in the
Lok Sabha on the 8th August 1972 that
our country would be facing a serious
power shortage in 1973-74. That means
our position will become worse. And
still he has no plans. He was absolute-
ly complacent for ten years. One Cal-
cutta newspaper, dealing with the power
crisis, has stated that complacence is
the occupational disease of our Minister
of Irrigation and Power. What has he
done to see that in 1973-74 we may not
have to face a bigger crisis ?

He has failed as Irrigation Minister,
he has failed as Minister in charge of
controlling floods; floods have become
an annual feature. He has also failed
in regard to generation and supply of
power. That is our charge against him.
So, the country wants his resignation.
There is no other way because he has
proved himself to be a total failure in
regard to the subject entrusted to his
charge.

In Punjab there is already a powei
cut of 20 per cent. Now Punjab is de-
manding Delhi to cut its power con-
sumption by 40 per cent. Nangal Ferti-
lizer is having a cut of, 25 per cent in
its power supply. Sir, as you and I
know, much more keenly felt by the
poor people, when people go home after
a hard day-s work they find there is no
water in the tap because of the failure
of electricity.

At the same time, in UP the Hindallo,
an aluminium company of Birla, is snp-
phwl power gt a very cheap jafc, In
fact, 60 Congress "ML As have repttsent-
ad to thp government that- they should

m!«? vc L^ ls J^P ccr ^ When the Ri-
Bknd project was first Conceited, the

idea was to supply powers eastern
UP, which is proverbially short of
power, whiftfc is Dackwtkl Snd which
needs industrial development. That
power is now mostly used by this con-
cern of Birlas.

UP Government wanted a sum of
Rs. 60 crores in order to put throu gh
their special rabi crop programme,
their special rabi crop programme
jab. Punjab industries are going out.
That is what the newspaper reports say.
The worst hit is West Bengal and Bihar.
During the First Five Year Plan period,
m the eastern region, they were the fore-
most in the power production and in
the transmission of power, according to
the Planning Commission. Today. Bihar
and Bengal are at the lowest. In Ben-
gal and Bihar, there are more than 300
collieries that have been stopped. The
Minister has said that poisonous gases
cannot be extracted from the coal-fields
because there is power shortage. The
factories are at a standstill in Bihar and
in Bengal and, more so, in Calcutta.

i<™ eS x„£ eng £ Is power Production is
1500 MW. But actually 850 MW of
power are produced, that is, only 55
per cent. Calcutta’s industrial belt con-
sumes 560 MW. Since April this year
only 435 MW of power are being pre
duced. Last year, about 2 lakhs of

Z r ri e ^.7tL e , la !? °f ^ * ear ’ many

more will be laid off.

My hon friend, Shri Bibhuti Mishra
has not told the whole story about north
Bihar. North Bihar is a total black-
out. in the eastern region, north Ben-
gal and north Bihar are a total black-
out. There should have been some
plannmg m order to energise north

5™. ? nd . north Bengal. Dalkhola
power plant is supposed to supply power
to north Bihar, north Bengal small gas
turbines in north Bengal, and to Bangla-
£• J . s i ta PW Plan? Then, Jal-
J a h ? ka , hyd f unit, during monsoons,
has to be closed. Such is the planning.

Minister might say that this

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etet U.™ at needs water from Term-
gnat dam, About Farakka Barrage as

* p& r Sknthafdih

thermal power plant, water isreJSreS

253 power trials 1 SRAVaNA 3l, im (SlAMQ in thecoma (IH*) 2U

from Tenughat dam to the tune of 120
cusees of water every day of the year*
Whether that will be available or not
nobody knows* Unnecessarily, a quar-
rel has been created.

What is the position in the whole of
Bihar and West Bengal? The D.V.C.
is attributing the failure to the State
Electricity Board. The State Electricity
Board is attributing the failure to the
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation or
other Corporation like that and they, in
turn, are accusing the D.V.C. for their
failure. Now. when the D.V.C. started
functioning, it was doing well both for
Bihar and West Bengal. After some-
time, instead of strengthening the
D.V.C*, there is a plan to bifurcate the
D.V.C. Again, a quarrel between Ben-
gal and Bihar is in the offing. I say
that this Minister should bear all res-
ponsibility. Personally, I have very
great regard for Dr. K. L. Rao. But it
is a question of country’s future. There-
fore. I have to say all this.

Dr. K. L. Rao has said in his state-
ment that the Fourth Plan expectation
has not been fulfilled. Why? There
is no proper maintenance there is no
training institute for technical person-
nel. What was he doing? Supervision
and repair work is not done properly.
The Electricity Act has to be amend-
ed. Why did he not think of it before.

About the Calcutta Electric Supply
Corpojation — l do not know about
Bihar — the Government has exempted
them from annual inspection of boilers
and other things. The Calcutta Electric
Supply Corporation cannot produce ade-
quate amount of energy. The CossO-
pore power generating station has al-
most stopped; the Matiaburuz plant has
almost half-stopped and Mulajore plant
has also half-stopped.

In regard to Chandrapura power
plant in Bihar, what is the position?
It is not fully commissioned yet. It
has to supply power to Bokaro There
should be another power plant for
Bokaro so that Chandrapura plant can
supply that power to Bihar and Bengal.
There should have been planning like
tins. There is very little time. I have
to make certain suggestions.

In Santhaldih, one unit is to be set
up; it has not yet been set up; that will
be set up, according to Government,
in 1973 but according to public it will
9—11 L. S. S/72

not be set up before 1914. Even if that
is set up, AC transmission lines of 220
will be required; I do not know whe-
ther that will be ready or not. Cban-
drapura in Bihar Should be strengthen-
ed; otherwise, that part of Bihar^ will
suffer. For Bokaro there Should be
another plant. Therefore, Chandra-
pura unit should be strengthened, in
Durgapur, DVC, there should be one
more unit of 200 megawatts. About
Bokaro, I have already said. In Pan-
chat, there should be another hydel.
There should be pumping storage in
Konar; that is also in Bihar. The Cal-
cutta Electric Supply Corporation
should be taken over and there should
be an integrated scheme for Bengal and*
Bihar. These two States were the first
in the list of power generation and dis-
tribution m the First Five-Year Han.
Now these two States will again come
up. I will not say that they should be
first again, but they should at least come
out or the present power difficulty.

As I have said before, DVC should
not be bifurcated; it should be strength-
ened. There should be proper set-
ting up of an institute to train techni-
cal personnel — supervisors and others
who will be required for power-generat-
ing stations and for transmission.
Sufficient amount of spare parts should
be available. My report is that, in cer-
tain parts of Bihar, in power-generating
stations, spare parts Are not available
in time and, therefore, they are suffer-
ing; the boilers are onf of commission.

A Commission has been set up by
Dr. Rao and the West Bengal Gov-
ernment headed by Mr. A. K. Ghosh;
he is allright . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia-
mond Harbour) : He is not allright; he
is an undesirable person.

DR. RANEN SEN: As far as I
know, he is allright. There are three
others: on e from the Calcutta Electric
Supply Corporation, one from the DVC,
one from West Bengal State Electricity
Board. These three organisations are
accused before the public; they are on
the dock. Now representatives are
taken in order to find out who are res-
ponsible for the power failure. There-
fore, I say that this is a farce enacted
particularly on the eastern part of

Dr. K&o himself knows that the pro-
sent day tendency of the world is tp*

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AUGUST 22, 1972

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[Dr. Ranen Sen| 1

have atomic power stations. Unfortu-
nately, what is happening in our coun-
try? rhe Tarapur Atomic Power Plant
is out of order. There is a power crisis
in Gujarat and Maharashtra. Atomic
power plant is the present-day, modern
tendency in regard to power generation.
I know that it will take some more
time, but particular attention should be
given from Punjab to Orissa to have
proper power generation units.

1 have suggested that in Bokaro there
should be one, Santhaldih unit should
be strengthened, Chandrapura unit
should be strengthened. For North
Bihar and North Bengal there should
be separate power stations so that the
whole of North Bihar and can be sup-
plied and the whole of North Bengal
and Bangla Desh can be supplied power.
With these words, I again say that Dr.
Rao has not fulfilled his responsibility
and he has no right to stay as Irriga-
tion Minister.

SHRI P. VENKATAS UBBAIAH
(Nandyal): Mr. Ranen Sen, I am sorry
to say, has been very uncharitable to
Minister in charge of Irrigation and
Power. If you can see the phenomenal
growth in the production of power in
this country, it will show that the Minis-
ter in charge of this Ministry has done
a remarkable job.

The generation of power has risen
from 6.6 billion k.w. h. in 1950-51 to 20.1
(billion k.w. h. in 1960-61. We cannot
hold Dr. Rao for natural calamities and
for certain unforeseen circumstances
that have taken place in the country,
during 1970-71 the total generation was
61.62 billion k.w.h. The rise is from 6 6
billion k.w.h. to 61.2 biUion k.w.h. More-
over, the generation of power is prima-
rily the responsibility of State Govern-
ments and their capacity to start cer-
tain power projects.* Viewed in this
•context, I can say without any fear
of contradiction that there has been a
remarkable growth in this regard.

Coming to the actual motion under
discussion about the power crisis in this
country, I can say that it has affected
not only one part of the country but
'the entire country and more so certain
States where they have been suffering
from acute power shortage. I would
like to mention the power position in
.Andhra tPratfesh.

16.17 hrs.

[Shri R. D. Bhandakb in the Chair.]

There is a great imbalance in power
generation in the country. I have come
across a note that has been circulated
by the Ministry of Irrigation and Power
with regard to the draft Fifth Five Year
Plan and the power development pro-
gramme and power imbalance. There
they have stated :

“In this region (referring (to the
southern region), again, there is large
imbalance in power development, the
most backward being Andhra Pradesh,
where the per capita consumption of
electricity at present is very low and
would continue to be so even with the
implementation of the scheme includ-
ed in the State in the Fifth Plan. This
disparity can be narrowed down only
by a deliberate policy and by taking
measures which would generate eco-
nomic activity for which provision of
electricity generation facilities would
be a vital factor. In this context,
apart from providing a share from
the central sector schemes indicated
above, it would be necessary to give
serious consideration to the question
of taking up for implementation in
the central sector a hundred mega-
watts thermal station as Andhra Pra-
desh has large coal reserves.”

I have made certain critical analysis
and study of the position of power
generation in the country. I would like
to compare the position of power m the
neighbouring States. As I told you
earlier, as against the All India per
capita consumption of 90 kilowatt hours,
Andhra Pradesh is having only 50 kilo-
watt hours whereas in the neighbouring
States of Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu,
with the same size and population the
per capita consumption of power is 200
kilowatt hours. It is not due to any
lethargy or complacency on the part of
the State Government. Certain factors
have helped to have more power gene-
rated and supplied to these States For
instance, take the neighbouring State
of Tamil Nadu. There are two central
sector projects situated in this State.
One is the Neiveli and the other is the
Kalpakkam atomic power station. In
Neiveli the power that is being gene-
rated is being done at the cost of the
Central Government and there is no
financial commitment on the part of
the Tamil Nadu Government. Even
then, the power that is generated which

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has to be shared by the neighbouring
States is being denied and Andhra Pra-
desh is the worst sufferer. Same is the
ease with Kalpakkam.

Why I am stating these facts is to
Show that the power crisis in Andhra
Pradesh is more acute compared to
other States. We know how these con-
tinuing schemes are hampered for want
of financial assistance which is further
accentuating power crisis. The Lower
Sileru project in Andhra Pradesh and
the Srisailam Hydro-electric Project in
Andhra Pradesh are the two projects
which were hard hit,, I should, say, for
want of financial resources. For the
Lower Sileru project, if the necessary
financial assistance is provided, it can
give the cheapest power in the whole
country. So also, regarding the Srisai-
lam hydro-electric project. But in res-
pect of Lower Sileru project the situa-
tion is more agonising because the en-
tire civil works of the portion of the
project has been completed, but for
want of the generating sets the whole
project is suffering. The State Govern-
ment has pleaded its inability to pro-
vide finance for these generating sets
and they have sought central assistance
to give them some Rs. 12 crores for
setting up of these generating units.

But, Sir, the Central Government has
been adopting penny-wise attitude and
they have denied the assistance sought
for by the State Government while in
similar cases this kind of assistance has
been given.

I only request Dr. Rao that he should
not feel embarrassed that he comes from
Andhra and feel shy of coming to the
rescue of Andhra Pradesh. He has to
do justice in this regard.

So also in respect of the Srisailam
Hydro Electric project. That project is
envisaged to be constructed at a cost
of Rs. 70 crores. Only Rs. 20 crores
have been spent. It was proposed to be
completed by 1973-74. But, due to lack
of financial assistance this project is
suffering. Almost the entire comple-
ment of the people engaged in the con-
struction there had been retrenched and
the whole work has come to a stand-
still. This has to be borne in mind.
This is a centrally-situated project
which can give electricity without any
power leakage to the entire Andhra
Pradesh and other adjoining areas.

I would like to draw the attention of
, the hon. Minister that after the Kalindi

hydro-electric project is comphtf, all
the possible avenues for generation of
hydro-elpdtricity will be exhausted in
the south. We have naturally to look
for other projects, other than hydro-
electric. As Mr. Ranen Sen and Mr.
Samar Guha pointed out, the other pro-
jects that could be harnessed and elec-
tricity could be generated could be pro-
jects based on coal and also on atomic
power. For this purpose, 1 beg to sub-
mit, Andhra Pradesh is best suited
where there is an abundance of coal
and this is very suitable for starting the
thermal plants. Also, a place like Sri-
sailam is ideally-suited because it is 4 t
sparsely-populated areas, and can be
selected for starting atomic power sta-
tions. These can be treated as a Cen-
tral projects and power could be sup-
plied to other areas which suffer for
want of electricity.

So, Sir, I urge upon the Central Gov-
ernment that they should come to the
assistapce of the Lower Sileru project
as they have done in the case of Kalindi.
Mysore Government was given a special
assistance in this regard. I don’t grudge
aid being given to Mysore but my em-
phasis is that Andhra Pradesh also
should get the benefit as has been given
in the case of the other States.

Lastly, coming to generation, I would
say this. There is inadequacy of invest-
ment with regard to generation and
distribution. Only 41 per cent of the
total investment is being spent on dis-
tribution and this situation has got to
be remedied. T support the contention
of Shri Samar Guha. There should be
a central authority with an investment
of Rs. 6500 crores to see that these pro-
jects are taken up and power is distri-
buted on equitable basis so that the
country may not suffer for want of
power, because, when power is denied,
industrial growth is denied, agricultural
growth is denied and the whole economy
of the country will become stagnant and
there will* be no •further growth or deve-
lopment. With these few words, I re-
sume my seat and I thank you for the
opportunity given to me to speak.

SHRI M. C. DAGA (Pali) : On a
point of order. When a motion is
moved under rule 193, and any Mem-
ber gives intimation to the Speaker
under rule 19 5, if he is not given a
diance to speak, then what is to be
done? A Member who has given
notice that he wants to take part in
the discussion under rule 193 should
be allowed to speak. ,

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AUGUST 42; 19 H

MR* CHAIRMAN i^His point is
note<£~ Nqw, Shri Chitpfabu,

♦SHRI C. CHITTIBABU (Cfaingle-
put) : Mr. Chairman, Sir* <ny hem. fri-
end, Shri Samar Guba bm raised this
very important and tigiely discussion
on the power crisis in different parts of
the country. I am grateful to you for
giving me an opportunity to participate
in the debate 6n behalf of my party,
the Dravida Muxmetra Kazhagam.

The hon. Members who preceded me
spoke about the power crisis in differ-
ent parts of the country, substantiating
their arguments with positive proof. No
other proof is required than the order
of the Prime Minister not to continue
for more than one day the illumination
of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and the Parlia-
ment House on the day when we cele-
brated the Silver Jubilee of our Inde-
pendence. There cannot be any other
reproof for our very capable and talent-
ed Minister of Irrigation and Power,
Dr. K. L. Rao when the common peo-
ple of our country's capital were denied
even this elementary enjoyment of wit-
nessing the illumination for a day more.
I do not think that this House requires
any other proof for the power crisis in
the country. The circumstances under
which this has been done pose a ques-
tion mark about the competence of the
hon. Minister of Irrigation and Power
and of his Ministry in tackling this
issue.

My hon. friend, Shri Venkatasub-
baiah, who spoke before me, showed his
accusing finger at Tamil Nadu for deny-
ing Andhra Pradesh its requirement of
power, as if Tamil Nadu has got abund-
ance of electric power. I am happy that
he remembered Tamil Nadu at least in
this connection and I hope that his utter-
ance becomes a reality. But the real
position is that Tamil Nadu has been
going with a begging bowl to Kerala
and Mysore for the supply of power.
Tamil Nadu has not achieved self-suffi-
ciency in electric power' and I wish that
Shri Venkatasubbaiah is aware of this.
If inspite of the best efforts on the part
of my party Government in Tamil Nadu
self-sufficiency in power has not been
achieved, it is mainly due to the vascil-
lation on the part of the hon. Minister
of Irrigation and Power. It is clear
that the hon. Minister of Irrigation and
Power has not and cannot come to grip
with the problems by taking definite
decisions.

in the country (Dtf) 2*9

When I was the Mayor of Madras in*
the year 1965, I arranged the inaugur#*
tion of the drinking water scheme under
the presidentship of our Irrigation and
Power Minister, Dr. Rao. At that time
I referred to the Cauvery water problem.
But the hon. Minister slipped away like
the swift-moving waters of the river.
After the D.M.K. Party assumed the
Office in Tamil Nadu, this drinking wa-*
ter supply scheme is being implemented.

I know the debating talent of the
hon. Minister and I am sure he will
score winning points by putting forth
counter-arguments to all the issues rais-
ed in this House. But, here it is not a
question of his arguing capacity ; it i&
the question of primary requisite of the
people of our country. The hon. Mi*
nister of Irrigation and Power, with all
his debating skill, cannot absolve him*
self and his Ministry from the blame
for the power crisis in the country.

The target of producing 230 lakh
kwh of power at the end of the Fourth
Five Year Plan has been fixed by his
Ministry. It is also estimated that the
demand in the country will also be of
the same order. During 1973-74, it is
expected that there will be a shortage
of 3 lakh kwh. I am not saying this,,
but the hon. Minister himself has accept*
ed this on the floor of this House. He
has also expressed his apprehension that
it may not be possible to achieve the
Fourth Plan target of production. 25
years after our Independence, the per
capita consumption of power in our
country is just 200, while that of the
United States of America is 10,000 and
of the European countries between 2000
and 3000. India’s per capita consump-
tion of power is the lowest. What have
we achieved during these two and half
decades for the production of more elec-
tric power in the country?

I have no hesitation in saying that
on account of defective planning for the
production of power there is this crisis
of shortage in the country. In the Uttar
Pradesh there is acute shortage of
power. In West Bengal, many indus-
trial units have shut down their produc-
tion . for want of power. In many other
States the position is no different. In
answer to Starred Question No. 122
raised on 8-8-72, the hon. Minister of
Irrigation and PcWer has listed the main

*The original speech was delivered in Tamil.

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reasons for the power shortage in the
country in recent times. I will not go
ifeto all the reasons, but 1 will draw
the attention of the House only to two
reasons. Non-arrival of coal in time
to the thermal power stations resulted in
reduced output from the thermal power
stations. In this connection, 1 would
refer to the repeated request of the
Tamil Nadu Government for. the start-
ing of the second-cut mine in the Nei-
veli Project which will be able to sup-
ply lignite to all the neighbouring sou-
thern States. The hon. Minister of Ta-
mil Nadu Government has repeatedly
requested the Central Government to
sanction this scheme. I would say cate-
gorically that the Central Government
are not doing the proper thing in dilly-
dallying the issue. How can we, in the
face of this, accept the argument of
Df. Rao that non-arrival of coal in time
to the thermal power stations resulted
in reduced output? The other reason
advanced by him is non-availability of
essential materials such as steel, cement
etc. to the required extent, which has
resulted in the delay of completing the
civil works of power projects. Only
this morning this House gave its ap-
proval for taking over the private steel
plant, IISCO. It is not beyond the
competence of the Central Government
to make available the required steel and
cement for completing the power pro-
jects. Immediately the question of short-
age of wagons will be raised, as if the
Railway Ministry is under the charge
of Tamil Nadu Government, located far
a way from the Ministry of Power and
Irrigation. The Central Government
cannot take shelter under this silly ex-
cuse. The hon. Minister should have
proper coordination with the Railway
Ministry and get adequate number of
wagons in the interest of executing the
important power projects. He cannot
just wave his hands here and there and
say : I have written to this Ministry and
that Ministry; what can I do if the
Planning Commission or the Finance
Ministry does not sanction the required
money;. I have conveyed to the Rail-
way Ministry about the non-availability
of wagons etc. etc. He should realise
that electric power is the basic require-
ment for the economic development of
the country. He should convince his
colleagues in the Governments and try
to do what is expected of him. It is
time that he bids goodbye to his cur-
sory and evasive way of doing things.

Though it is not connected with the
Ministry of Irrigation and Power, Mr.

Chairman, I wooM Bite to refer to Kal-
pakkam Atomic Power Plant, which is
in my constituency. Everybody who
spoke before me referred to the neces-
sity of producing atomic power in the
country. That is why I want to refer
to Kalpakkam Atomic Power Plant.
Kalpakkam is a part of my constitu-
ency. It was stated that the Plant would
be commissioned in 1973, then in 1972 ;
now it is said that it would be commis-
sioned in 1974, But today morning it
was said that the Plan would be com-
missioned only in 1976. I am a Mem-
ber of the Consultative Committee of
the Department of Atomic Energy and
I have given more than enough proof
of the way in which the project is be-
ing implemented. I know personally
how it is functioning. The project au-
thorities there are playing ducks and
drakes with public funds. An American
trailer was bought at a cost of Rs. 18
lakhs or so. It is lying idle there for
the past 2i years. They are not able
to change one burst tyre in the trailer.
The project authorities are more inter-
ested in different kinds of pastimes than
in implementing the project. Here, I
would like to inform Mr. Venkatasub-
baiah that neither the Atomic Plant at
Kalpakkam Plant has started producing
power nor the second-cut mines at Nei-
veli has been sanctioned by the Central
Government, since he made the allega-
tion in his speech that the State of
Tamil Nadu is not supplying to Andhra
electric power from Neiveli and from
Kalpakkam Atomic Plant, The requir-
ed equipment and machinery have not
been made available to the Kalpakkam
Plant. In the case of other atomic
plants, there is foreign collaboration and
things seem to be moving fast. But,
here in Kalpakkam, the Government of
India decided to utilise the indigenous
talent. I am sorry to state that toe in-
digenous talent has not come upto the
expectations. Many valuable things are
lying uncared for and I doubt very
much •whether the Plant will be com-
missioned at least in 1976. If a Parlia-
mentary Committee is constituted to go
into the question of delay in the execu-
tion of Kalpakkam Atomic Power
Plant, many sordid things that go on
there will come to light. The net result
is that the project is getting delayed un-
necessarily.

An assurance has been given on the
floor of this House that the Kalpakkam
Atomic Plant would be commissioned
in 1976. If this assurance is not ful-
filled then, Dr. Rao and his colleagues

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will be put to trial in the court of the
people. Similarly, the Central Govern-
ment should accord their sanction for
the second-cut mine in Neiveli. So far
as the question of Tamil Nadu achiev-
ing self-sufficiency in die production of
power is concerned, the hon. Minister
of Irrigation and power should take
greater interest in the execution of these
two schemes.

With these words, I conclude.

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AUGUST 22, \m

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SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : Mr.
Chairman, Sir, within the limited time
allotted to me, I am sure, it will not
be possible for me to throw sufficient
light on the power crisis, particularly in
the State of Gujarat.

Sir, the power supply position has not
been satisfactory in some of the States
in our country since 1971. In Gujarat,
for instance, a serious power crisis deve-
loped towards the end of December,

1971.

At that time there were the Assembly
elections which were held in March,

1972. Therefore,* this particular power
crisis was overcome, by an arrange-
ment entered into by the Government,
for supplying the power, as a distress
measure, from the neighbouring States
^of Maharashtra and Mysore. But im-
mediately after the Assembly elections
were over, this arrangement was over.
Since then, since the 10th March, 1971,
I think, Gujarat has been suffering from
-acute power shortage. Now, the ques-
tion is hoW to overcome this difficulty
of power shortage in the State of Gu-
jarat There are two ways open. One

way is a short-term measure, gad, the
other is a long-term measure. As a
short-term measure, the atomic power
station at Tarapur should be made to
operate uninterruptedly from 1st Sept-
ember, as stated by the Minister of State
in the Ministry of Home Affairs, Sbri
K. C. Pant, in reply to my question on
the 9th August, 1972. As a loug-tenn
measure, a dam of 530 feet height at
Navgaon should be constructed with-
out further delay. Secondly, the pro-
posed atomic power station in the Sau ■
rashtra region should be set up in Sau-
rashtra as early as possible. If this is
done, then the power shortage in the
State of Gujarat will be overcome.

Hydro-power is the cheapest of all
powers, namely the thermal power, the
atomic power, and hydel power. There
is no hydro-power in the State of Guja-
rat. If the Narmada river project is
implemented and if a dam of 530 feet
height is constructed at Navgaon, then
2.5 million k.w. of hydro-power will be
generated.

During the election campaign, the
hon. Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira
Gandhi promised to the voters in this
respect and said that if they wanted to
solve the Narmada river dispute, then
they should vote for her party to come
into power. The voters in Gujarat have
discharged their duty.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Why is he bring-
ing in politics into this matter?

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: I am not
bringing in politics, but I am only stat-
ing a fact.

MR. CHAIRMAN : It is all over
now.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Now, it is
for the Prime Minister to implement
that promise. I am not bringing in any
politics, but I am only stating the facts.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Mem-
ber has only four minutes’ time, and
he should try to wind up his speech.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : At page 63 of
the report of the Ministry of Irrigation
and Power for 1971-72, it is said :

“The Fourth Plan envisages aug-
mentation of the power-generating ca-
pacity in the country to 23 million

k.w. by 1973-74."

It further states that:

277 Potntr crtit*

SRAVANA 31* tm OSAKA) in the comity Cite.) 278

is a likelihood of the tm-
short by about 2.7 million

This shortage or shortfall in achieving
the target can be made up if the Nar-
mada river project is implemented. So,
it is in the national interest to decide
the Narmada river dispute as early as
possible. I would like to know from
the hon. Minister when the Prime Minis-
ter is going to decide this issue. The
four Chief Ministers of Gujarat, Rajas-
than, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra
have decided to abide by the decision
given by the Prime Minister regarding
this matter.

Nudear power is used to produce fer-
tilisers and to pump water for lift
irrigation in the case of the Indo-
Gangetic Plain study and for desalt-
ing sea water in the case of the
Kutch-Saurashtra region study.”

Therefore, there is enough justifica-
tion for locating another atomic power
station of 1000 MW in the Saurashtra
region. I would like to know from the
Minister whether the Ministry is going
to double the capacity of the Tarapur
atomic power station from 400 to 800
MW in order to suppress and deny the
demand for another atomic power sta-
tion in the Saurashtra region.

I would now say a word about the
proposed atomic power station in the
Saurashtra region. On 9th August,
1972, I had put a question whether the
news report where the Prime Minister
Shrimati Indira Gandhi appeared to
have said that the atomic power station
should be located outside Gujarat was
correct.

The Prime Minister was pleased to
say that it was not a question of the
personal whim of any Minister. There-
fore, it means that if there is sufficient
justification for establishing an atomic
power station in the Saurashtra region,
it would be set up. There is a strong
case for such a power station in the Sau-
rashtra region. I am quoting from p. 3 of
Nuclear Power in India:

“The nuclear stations can all be
set up at distances away from coal
fields where they would be competi-
tive with conventional thermal sta-
tions.”

Regarding distance also, the report says,
on p. 1:

“In such regions nuclear power
plants with CANDU reactors of 200
MW size are competitive with fos-
sil fuel stations at places removed
from coal fields by more than 800
km.”

Saurashtra is more than 2000 km. from
coal fields. Secondly, Saurashtra has
no water resources. Thirdly, it is again
mentioned in the same pamphlet, p. 8 :

“Detailed economic analysis of
such complexes have been carried out
for two locations in India — the Indo-
Gangetic Plain in UP and the Kutch-
Saurashtra region in western India.

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MR. CHAIRMAN : How much time
would the Minister take for his reply ?

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO):
About 30 to 40 minutes.

SHW RAJ BAHADUR : Since many
h on. Members want to participate m
fbfc debate, I suggest tftat the time may
be extended by one hour.

MR. CHAIRMAN : It is difficult be*
cause it becomes very inconvenient for
the staff. If the members so desire, 1
can extend it by half an hour. But I
would request hon. Members not to
take more than five minutes.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I
suggest that the debate may be continu-
ed tomorrow ?

MR. CHAIRMAN : We will see.

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira) : Mr.
Chairman, from an annual growth rate
of about 2 million kw per annum, we
have dropped to one million kw in the
year 1970-71. For the year ended
March 1972 we have hardly added .5
million kw. The main difficulty has
been in respect of generating .sets. We
all know that there have been failures
in deliveries. We have also seen that
as soon as Heavy Electricals, Bhopal,
started functioning, even before a single
turbo set of theirs was pommiasionetf,
we put an embargo on imports in spite
of all the resistance. Whatever little
rogress we have made during the last
ve years has beeti essentially on account
of those imported generating sets which
were ordered earlier, that is, after the
Third Plan.

In the direction of transmission, we
have stagnated at 220 kv for the last
20 years. The world has moved from
220 kv in 1952 to 1,150 kv in 1972.
But we continue to incur losses in trans-
mission and distribution because we
have not changed our existing trans-
mission and distribution lines.

We are also deficient in our grids ;
link lines and regional links. Here we
find that because of incompletion of the
link lines we have to keep idle capacity
at each generating group to meet the
failures and the maintenance problems.
The result has been that whereas we
could have easily pooled up the total
generating capacity, and the stand-by
capacity could have been reduced to
the bare minimum ; we find today that
even from the present small installed
capacity of about 16 million to 16.5
million kw we are blocking as much
as 30 to 35 per cent in stand-by capa-
city. The effective capacity which we
are using is, therefore, substantially
lower in spite of our making heavy in-
vestments in the plants which continue
to rem&iii as standby.

Now, w a consequence of these dif-
ficulties or this particular problem, there

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SRAVANA

tfiftb beta power en, power shedding
and so on. We in Gufar&t suffer due
(6 these and know how much there
have been industrial and G.N.P. losses.
The country has suffered, particularly
tad badly in the State of Gujarat, Even
today, while I am speaking, there is a
power cut in the State of Gujarat The
power is switched off and connections
are not given. The employment can-
not go up ; the development or growth
Of income cannot be there. At the
setae time, the country which had pro-
mised or set for itself the target in terms
of employment and growth also suffers
for want of acute scarcity of power.

Finally, I would request the Minister
in-charge of Power that he should be
bold enough and he should insist on
generating sets being imported at least
For a period of 2 to 3 years and main-
tain 2 to 2.5 MKW annual growth. If
the Ministry of Industry is so adamant
that the import should be banned to
provide orders to HEL/BHEL, then, he,
the I. and P. Minister, should extend a
helping hand and say that about 20 to
30 Nos. of 100 MW to 250 MW ratings
standard generating sets may be ordered
and got manufactured for stocks, that
is for sales on ready delivery basis to
projects. The development of the coun-
try by Public Sector Units cannot be
held back. The investments made in
other sectors should not be allowed to
gp to near waste or idled just because
there is delay or no delivery of gene-
rating sets.

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SHRI P. GANGADEB (Angul): I
rise to say with concern that never in
recent times was there a period when
the country had to face a power crisis
of such a magnitude as the one which
it is facing now. It does not appear ,to
be either localised or of a temporary
nature. When we look into it carefully,
we find that, against the Fourth Plan
target of 23 million kilowatts, the Plan
is now going to end up with — if my
figures are correct — a little more than
20 million kilowatts. It is short of three
million kilowatts or. so. Even as it is,
the power shortage is of the order of
10 to 15 million units a day; in other
words, one million kilowatts. As you
are aware, the demand for power was
estimated to grow by 12 per cent where-
as it has actually grown by 30 per cent.

It is so high. Therefore, obviously, the
demand is more than the supply. This
is the grim picture before us all.

Now let me come to the actual posi-
tion in the field of operation of the ad-
ministrative structure. I have some-
thing to say there. We see that, with
little or no reserve capacity at present
and expansion of generating capacity
falling short of the target, we have this
power hunger all the time. It is ail
hanging on our heads. Surely, it must
be solved and the people’s dream must
be fulfilled.

Then, again, the industrial sector
which consumes 70% power are work-
ing to-day at less than the actual capa-
city. I wonder what will happen when
the industrial growth is accelerated at a
higher rate in the coming years as per
our future plans. Let us not forget
that the erratic monsoon is still there
which adds to the power needs for irri-
gation. Therefore, I suggest the follow-
ing measures for your kind considera-
tion.

If I may say so, the power generation
programmes have suffered on account
of many factors which we all know.
Let there be a better co-ordination bet-
ween various authorities. Let theze be

28 $ Pomr crisis U i

SRAVANA *2, vm vsMMJtj

national homogeneity between States
and States for implementation of inter-
state transmission linkage programmes.
Also let there be better transmission ca-
pacities at such high levels than what
u there at present.

You will bear with me that if there
is more power, it will never go waste.
Power creates its own demand. It sti-
mulates development all round. There-
fore, we cannot take these problems
lightly. We have to take bold steps and
increase the power supply based on all
possible sources of energy including
coal, diesel, hydro and nuclear energies.

One thing I would like to say within
the little time at my disposal — I feel it
is important. We should have a cen-
tral agency to plan the location of large
power plants and implement them at the
same time. This Central Agency will
also be able to establish inter-connecting
links among the States and improve the
whole electricity system of our country.

I must also stress here before I end,
that production of indigenous equip-
ments for power should be increased.

With these words I do hope the Gov-
ernment will give serious consideration
to what I have said and take necessary
measures.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri R. L.
Bhatia — not here.

Shri Arjun Sethi — not here.

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SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domana-
ganj) : Mr. Chairman, 1 want to take an
overall view of this very complicated and
fundamental question of the scarcity of
power. For the time being, I am forget-
ting the State urgencies and the pres-
sures that are coming from hon. Mem-
bers to build up power complexes in
their own States. Although 1 can put
forward before the House for conside-
ration of the Minister some basic sche-
mes of a long-term nature, 1 do not think
that also is going to solve the problem
of tomorrow.- Day after tomorrow can
take care of itself if the Planning Com-
mission is energised, if the Ministers are
also energised and if something is done
to put the whole thing on the right
track. I am not concerned about day
after tomorrow, the long term view, but
what should be done for tomorrow.

SHRI B. V. NAYAK (Kanara) : We
should think about long-term planning
also. But now we are discussing the
power crisis in the country and long-
term planning of electricity is not rele-
vant here. Power crisis is gripping parts

of the country wLi$ i* a sepoys mtu*.
Otherwise* for the House, it will be hkp
Herp fiddling while Rome is burning.
There is the Sharavatbi project.

MR. CHAIRMAN: He just gets up
without my permission. I cannot allow
it.*

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA: I am,
therefore, not emphasising what should
be done day after tomorrow. I personal-
ly feel that if the Ministry of Power
takes care of the vital problems of main-
tenance, repairs, restoring wire connec-
tions, repairing generating sets lying idle
and of connecting the grids in their own
small small way, and also by looking
after intensively as to why these small
failures are occurring, we can increase
the supply by at least 10 per cent. If
it is not possible, then there is some-
thing wrong with the working both of
the State Governments and the Central
Government.

From the point of view of stepping
up production in the industrial and agri-
cultural sectors, it is very necessary that
all the major schemes already running
should be given attention from the point
of View of maintenance of spares, re-
pairs, supply of small parts etc. which
will go a long way to increase the
generation of power and also ginger
up . . .

SHRI LALJI BHAI: On a point of
order. There is no quorum.

MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is being
rung — Now there is quorum. The hon.
member may proceed.

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : So far as
taking up larger schemes are concerned,
obviously first priority should go to ther-
mal power stations in the coal belt. We
have coal; we are short of diesel oil.
Therefore, we should not think too much
of generating sets which have to be run
on diesel oil. Coal is abundant in the
country, poor quality of coal. We can
generate powefr in a massive way from
the coal belt. Nobody is taking care of
that. I do not know what has happened
(Interruptions) , I am not talking of
Madhya Pradesh, but from the all-India
angle. There are coal fields. Why are
they not being used for generating
power? Power Ministry should take up
with the Planning Commission, this ques-
tion for a massive programme. The
Planning Commission should be energis-
ed. If adequate steps are taken, at least
within 40 months from now we can start
generating power from coal in new areas.

299 1 Fewer crisis to

AUGUST 24, 1972

the leountry (ZHf.) 296

[Shri K. D. MalaviyaJ *

We have got electric wires, cement poles
and coal in the country. We can, there-
fore, have thermal power stations also.
Nothing need be imported from outside.
For generating power, we can use coal
on a cheap basis. Therefore, I want
maintenance improved administration,
and the training of leaves for repairs
so that we cab increase the supply by
10 per cent; thereby our production,
in agriculture and industry, can be in-
creased.

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SHRf K. RAMAKRISaNA REDDY
(Nalgonda): Andhra Pradesh is known
as anna data; it produces foodgrains in
abuad'&ace. But this year the whole
State is under famine conditions. Power
cut is there. Even Kothagndam project
has been cut because of a silly matter,
that loans had been given by the Cen-
tral Government and interest had not
been paid. Because of that it had been
shut down. The allegations of Dr.
Ranen Sen about Dr. Rao are not
correct. Dr. K. L. Rao is dedicated to
the work of irrigation and power and
he is doing his utmost. Inspite of
natural calamities, there is an electric
power cut in Andhra Pradesh. It should
be given priority. Nagarjunasagar and
Srisailam projects are there. Dispute with
Mysore and Maharashtra is there before
the tribunal; it has not been decided.

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MR. CHAIRMAN : The Bell is being
rung — now there is quorum.

SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA RED-
DY : l would request Dr. K. L. Rao to
consider all the problems connected with
generation of power in Andhra Pradesh,
including those which are pending before
tribunals; they should be expedited at a
time when we are facing a, shortage of
power.

SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Dr. K.
L. Rao, the eminent engineer that he
is, knows very well that the area I come
from in the Western Ghat is known as
the power house of the whole country.
I hope he will share my anguish that
Hus area has never been mentioned in
this debate. I had no intention of inter-
vening during the speech of Shri K. D.
Malaviya except for the fact that this

h % matter of crisis. I would lih* tie
know from our hon. Minister, whp.is
not only an eminent engineer but m
statesman brought up in die traditions
of Dr. Visweswarayya one thing. There
is a considerable amount of Controversy
in the press in regard taihe Sharawathy
project. The ex-Chief Minister of My-
sore has asked for a judicial inquiry.
Fortunately or unfortunately, Dr. K. t
Rao. as Minister in charge of Irrigation
in the years 1962-63 had occasion to
visit Sharawathy project. In view of the
controversy, is there or is there not a
prima facie case for an open judicial in-
quiry to disabuse the mind of the public
< n this question. The other day during
the question hour the Minister stated that
a person has been sent not to study but
only inspect and give a report. In view
of the paramount importance of Shara-
wathy project, will he agree to an open
inquiry?

Secondly, in view of the performance
of Sharawathy project, on which a dear
verdict will have to be awaited after fur-
ther investigation, I want to know whe-
ther the execution of the Kali hydro-
electric project, which is going to pro-
duce electricity at the cheapest rate, is
going to be taken over by the Centre
for execution.

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dimond
Harbour) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, there i*
an unprecedented power crisis. The
main causes are that there is a gap bet-
ween the projected demand and gene*
ration which Dr. K. L. Rao has admitted
and also there is non-utilisation of built-
in capacity. I gather in some places it
does not exceed even 50 per cent of the
built-in capacity.

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Anothtrtbigg i* mr abject depcqd-
onthe United States of America
lor power equipment and technical
know-ho^ and mechanical breakdown
whenever it comes. Our power plants
have to wait for die importation of
spare-parts from America. The refusal
on the pari of the United States techni-
cians, to part with their technical know-
how is a great hurdle. It is a total
failure on the part of our public sector
Heavy Electricals undertakings for
achieving self-sufficiency in the produc-
tion of equipment

It is also a total failure to improve
capacity utilisation of existing plants
also. The Calcutta Electric Supply Cor-
poration, as the Minister mentioned, is
a British Company and the Minister has
told me time and again that generation
is the real problem, not distribution. But
for Calcutta, it is an exception. The
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation is
allowed to reap the harvest and take
billions of rupees out of this country by
simply trading on power. That Corpo-
ration has been given 10 years extension
of lease for no reason whatsoever. Mr.
A. K. Ghosh has been sent from the
Centre to look after it. Is the Minister
not aware of the fact that there are long
articles in the press against Mr. A. K.
Ghosh showing favour to the Calcutta
Electric Supply Corporation? Therefore,
you are adding fuel to fire.

There has been no proper assessment
of power demand. Dr. K. L. Rao wrote
a letter to me in which he says :

“ . . . . that the load sheddings that
had occurred recently had to be resort-
ed to on account of curtailment in
supply of bulk power to Calcutta Elec-
tric Supply Corporation by the West
Bengal State Electricity Board and to
some extent by the Damodar Valley
Corporation as a result of forced out-
ages of generating units in these power
systems.”

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has been handled in a very slip-shod
manner and it is causing a lot of hard-
ship. It will ruin our trade, commerce
and employment potential. The whole
thing should be handled in a very differ-
ent manner, on a war footing. Other-
wise, our future will be very very gloo-
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THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : I am
most thankful to the hon. members, Mr.
Samar Guha and others— nearly 26 hon.
members— who had participated in this
discussion. It has been very useful. It
has come just at a time when we are
entering the Fifth Plan and, therefore,
this debate ( has been extremely valuable.

I will just answer the most important
points that the hon. members have rais-
ed. The first important point that the
hon. members have raised is that there
is no planning and that the shortage is
coming unnoticed at a certain time. What
I want to submit is that it is not correct.
Power planning has been extremely well
planned for the hist ten years. We have
been taking extreme care about plan-
ning. For example, we have a large
number of printed books which the hop.
members who are interested may see.

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[Dr. K. L, RaoJ v

We work out the detiib, what is the
requirement, what capacity should be
built — hydro, thermal and nuclear— in
each State, in each region. (Interrup-
tions) The planning is based upon what
we call ‘annual load Surveys*. Every
year we conduct load surveys. Load
survey is conducted every year by mem-
bers representing not only the technical
people but also industry and then we
calculate that so much load is required
and then we base our forecasting on
what will be required at the end of five
years.

Accordingly, when the Fourth Plan
was under consideration, I worked out
that it would be 26 million kilowatts.
The Ministry of Irrigation and Power
pressed for 26 million kilowatts. But,
unfortunately, because of our financial
resources and other considerations, Gov-
ernment could not adopt that thing and
only planned for 23 million kilowatts.
It is that difference really that has come
up as a trouble now. At the moment we
have a shortage of a million kilowatts in
the country; I must expect that amount,
but actually it is less. At the moment
there is shortage in Punjab, Haryana and
Uttar Pradesh in the northern region,
Gujarat in the western region, Calcutta
in the eastern region and Andhra Pra-
desh in the southern region. These are
the only places where there is shortage;
there is no shortage anywhere else in
the country.

The shortage in Haryana and Punjab
is due to the fact that Bhakra Dam to-
day is completely down. It is one of
the most regrettable things I am expec-
ting every day that a depression would
be formed in the Bay of Bengal and
it will travel across Sutlej. But there
has not been any so far. The last that
we had went to Rajasthan and there was
a heavy rainfall there. It did not travel
on to the Sutlej valley. Sutlej is flowing
very low; the storage level is 81 feet
lower than what it was last year. Tn
fact, I am terribly afraid whether the
amount of water that is there will be
sufficient even for agricultural purposes.
I have contacted the Director-General of
the Meteorological Department and have
had a discussion with him. He says that
we must expect the next depression only
after ten days and then that depression
takes ten days to go to Sutlej. So, for
the next fortnight, there is no chance.
In view of that, as a responsible man, I
had to cut down the outflow of water
and, therefore, there is the unfortunate

reduction of power. Therefore, the
shortage is not due to any kind of npn-
planning but it is due to the fact that
there has been a very unfavourable fea-
ture this year in that area. I quite appre-
ciate that our planning must be perfect
Another unfortunate thing in the nor-
thern region is that Punjab and Haryana
are completely dependent on the Bhakra
reservoir; we have not constructed ano-
ther source of power there; another one
we have just now taken up. If you like,
you may call that a faulty planning.
That is why I quite appreciate the plea
of the hon. Members from Punjab say-
ing, ‘You take away the Nangal fertiliser
factory.* Another mistake that we com-
mitted there was that we have construct-
ed there a fertiliser factory based on the
electrolytic process. When the factory
was planned on such a process, they
thought that there would be a huge
amount of power and at that time they
wanted a load for the power. That is
why they set up the Nangal factory. We
have cut down the power to 98 M. W.
We cannot go below 98 M. W. Once
you do that you have to close down the
whole fertiliser factory, and the lining
and all that has got to be renewed.
Therefore, it has become impossible to
go below 98 M.W. I can appreciate the
hon. Members from Punjab everytime
coming to me and saying. Take away the
Nangal factory’. Tt is true that if we
take away the Nangal factory, there is
no deficit in Punjab and Haryana. But
we cannot do that. The unfortunate
fact is that the supply cannot go below
98. It has to be kept between 165 M.W.
and 98 M W. 98 M.W. is the absolute
minimum and, therefore, we have to al-
low for that.

What I want to submit here is that
in Haryana and Punjab the main diffi-
culty is that we have got to depend only
on Bhakra reservoir and that has not
been filling up. Added to that, there is
another difficulty. That is the diversion
of Beas. If Beas is diverted into Bhakra,
Bhakra could have got filled up easily.
There again, we are delayed by one year.
Tf the Beas construction is completed by
1973 . . .

SHRT DARBARA SINGH: What is
the difficulty before the Government?

SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR ; What is
the difficulty? We are not responsible.

DR. K. L. RAO : The only solution is
that we should complete that project as
quickly as possible. One of the difficul-

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ties was the oustees* settlement. Fortu-
nately, now, that has been solved — bon.
Members from Himachal Pradesh are
not present— that is no longer an issue
and I am expecting that by June 1973
the project will be completed and there
will be diversion of water into Sutlej
soon. So, I do not expect any further
trouble.

Immediately, what we are going to do
is that I am depending on Delhi. Delhi
has got some surplus power. That sur-

g us power we are trying to pass on to
aryana. We are also trying to get
power from Satpura. Regarding that,
there are so many aspects. For exam-
ple, hon. Members from Madhya Pradesh
have been asking locating the power
station at the pit-head. This station is
right at the pit-head, but it is suffering
from want of coal. The most interest-
ing thing is that we have not been able
to operate the machines because there
is no coal . . .

AN HON. MEMBER : Lack of co-
ordination.

SHRl DARBARA SINGH: Give us
power from Satpura.

DR. K. L. RAO : I am giving you the
facts. If coal is available more machines
can be run. Even if one machine is
run, it will meet the shortage of Punjab.
Fortunately, there is the Chambal system
where we can feed the power. Gandhi-
sagar has got plenty of water. Therefore,
we can feed that power which can be
transferred to Punjab. I took up this
matter with the Railway Minister per-
sonally and also with the Railway Board
Chairman and others and only this even-
ing at about 2.30 p.m., I just got a
letter that they will give the extra wa-
gons and coal provided unloading is
done day and night . . . ( Interruptions )
So, 1 am happy. Of course, there will
be so many snags.

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : This was
not a very difficult thing to conceive.

DR. K. L. RAO : For one year it has
gone on.

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : I am only
cynically making this remark.

DR. K. L. RAO: Then, there are so
many other difficulties. But the fact is
that from Satpura for the last one year
we were trying to get power, but we
have not succeeded so far . . . (Inter-
ruptions).

SHRI DARBARA SINGH: How long
will it take to get power from Satpura?

DR. K. L. RAO : In the next 15 days
we must be able to get it.

Then, there is the other question. In
Uttar Pradesh there is the Rihand dam
which is giving some amount of power.
I do not say much . . .

DR. KAILAS : You agree that it is all
due to lack of co-ordination.

DR. K. L. RAO : The question finally
boils down to financial stringency. . .
Everybody thought that it would bo
available from the pit head; but tho
NCDC people who were working there
said that they did not have sufficient
amount of money to develop another
opening. Like that it goes on; it is a
chain. . . (An hon. Member: Vicious
circle.) But finally when it comes to
power, there is power shortage; that is
the whole trouble.

In Uttar Pradesh, the main trouble is
inadequacy of power in such a big State
like that and when we have come to
know this during the last 3 or 4 years
we have been trying to raise it up; we
arc getting some machines also import-
ed to quicken up the pace of construc-
tion for that State. That is the only
way we can try to solve this problem
and we arc trying to do our best in that
direction.

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA: Is not the
installed capacity in U.P. for generative
power more than the actual power that
is being generated?

DR. K. L. RAO: U.P. is not bad. In
Bihar there is trouble. In U.P. there is
heavy demand of power. About 25 mil-
lion k w. hrs are being generated daily
now in U.P. but it is not sufficient and
we require 35 million k.w. hrs. a day.
The demand is going up. There is a
terrific increase in demand.

So far as Andhra Pradesh is concern-
ed just like U.T. it is highly short of
power. Somehow the Andhra Govern-
ment — I would say this without offence
to anybody — have not given sufficient
importance to the power generation.
They have got large amount of coal in
their own State; they have got other
resources; yet, they have not developed
the power resources, though it is a defi-
cit State in power. They get something
from Maharashtra, something from My-
sore and something from Orissa. Like
that it goes on. But, today, there is a
25% cut in power in that State.

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Calcutta is another tpot where you
find the failure of powqr. It is a very
strange thing. In the gastern zone, in
Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal, the total
amount of installed capacity is 3.5 mil-
lion kilowatts of power. That means,
they must not only be able to meet their
own demands but they must be surplus,
but, in spite of that, we are finding,
there is such a large amount of trouble,
and especially Calcutta is the main tar-
get. There are other places like Jam-
shedpur and so on and there it is a
question of power failure, breakdowns
and so on. That is an area which has
got to be looked into. The main trouble
there is this. They are using coal in
what is called two stage washery. That
is to say, the coal that comes out of
that contains very abrasive material,
stone and so on and this gets into the
machines and the machines get out of
order and had to be repaired, very often.
There is a larger amount of breakdown
than what it should be for a proper type
of washery.

So far as Durgapur project is concern-
ed, they have to obtain some spares for
the boiler. Generally these things must
be shipped; we get them by ships; but
since the situation is very bad, we have
released foreign exchange to get these
things by air-lifting. We are trying our
best. It is true that we are not so much
uptodate in the maintenance of these
power stations.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Coal is not
available and it is NCDC which is not
releasing the money, they are not doing
anything. There is some reflection on
Madhya Pradesh, but it is the NCDC
which is your organisation, which is do-
ing this. They are not releasing the
money. The performance is very poor
That is why we are not able to produce
the coal.

DR. K. L. RAO: As I was saying,
these machines were out of order and
we are trying to give the foreign ex-
change also to get them by air.

But wc must take care of mainte-
nance; there is maintenance trouble to-
day, because the maintenance staff are
not so well equipped as to be able to
run them efficiently. That is a fact that
has got to be acknowledged. That is
why we have got two institutes, one at
Durgapur and the other at Neyveli,
where we are training 100 boys alto-
gether. But that is not sufficient. We
want more trained people, and we are

thinking of expanding these institute
further and also establishing sipnlar in-
stitutes at other places!

The only way in which we can try to
meet the situation is to set up and sanc-
tion some more projects apd try to ex-
pedite the things as quickly as possible.
Even then it takes about four to fiVe
years. Five years is the minimum pe-
riod. If we could do it in four and
a half years, then that is good; other-
wise, normally it takes about five years
for a power station to be commission-
ed.

In this connection, I am very glad
that today we have received sanction
from the Planning Commission for ad-
ding one more unit to the Bandel
power station, and the Chandrapura
power station; as regards the other
power station, which is common bet-
ween North Bengal and North Bihar,
namely the Dalkora . . .

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about
the atomic power station in Saurashtra ?

MR. CHAIRMAN: He is dealing
now with Bihar and Bengal, and he will
come to every State presently.

DR. K. L. RAO : I have got a chit
sent to me that I should take only tea
more minutes.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Let him
take as much time as he wants and
explain the position fully. We are ready
to sit as long as he wants.

DR. K. L. RAO. I am glad to
inform the House that the Dalkora
power station is being taken up as a
Central generation project so that neither
Bengal nor Bihar need pay for it. That
means that it will be paid for by the
Central Government and it will be con-
structed by the Centre and the power
will be shared between these two States.

We are fully aware of the fact that
North Bihar and North Bengal are very
backward in power, and probably their
consumption is the lowest in the whole
country. I am also glad that Muzaffar-
pur power station has also been sanc-
tioned today. Similarly, as I have said
already, the Bondel power station ex-
pansion has also been sanctioned.

My 'hon. friend Dr. Ranen Sen was
exceptionally angry with me today. Nor-
mally he is not, but today he was very
angry. I would like to submit that we
are trying to sanction as many projects
as possible. So, the Bandel power sta-

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the situation is this. It Is no use
I that We &*H tty to sanction

and more projects and that will

take care of whole thing; the point
is that we art facing a situation now,
and facing it as it is, we have to deal
with it in such a way that we are able
ta overcome the difficulty.

HON. MEMBER : the hon.
Minister of Power is speaking, and
there is power failure in the House also.

DR. K. L. RAO : The trouble is that

in Delhi, what happens is this... •

But (he shortages ihlLP., Andhra Pra-
desh etc. are ohe to the fact (hat they
are chronically deficient in power: as
regards Punjab and Haryana, the shor-
tages are due to extremely low leVel of
water subsisting in the Bhakra reservoir.

Now what about the Fifth Plan? We
are giving very careful consideration to
it. We cannot set a figure which is too
high. lAnothdr unfortunate factor is
that the electrical development is very
costly; it is a capital intensive activity.
At the same time, if we have less
amount of power, then also there wifi
be trouble.

SHR1 JYOHRMOY BOSU: Is be
going to take over the Calcutta Electric
Supply Corporation ? We want a simple
adswer to 'this question.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH :
In Andhra Pradesh, there are continu-
ing schemes. Also there is power scar-
city there. What is his reply?

DR. K. L. RAO : Shri Jyotirmoy
Bosu has been very kind to me. He is
putting me a very difficult question. I
want to deal with the points in a ratio-
nal way and not go about in a dis-
jointed manner. But to meet Shri Jyotir-
moy Bosu's point, I would like to
submit that when the Ministers of Irri-
gation and Power met at Srinagar, they
had set Up a committee under the dis-
tinguished guidance of my hon. colleague
Shri B. N. Kureel about these licensees,
and they have suggested that all these
licensees must be taken over and there
is no place for them. We are taking
notion in that regard. As regards the
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation, I
am not yet sure as to what we shall do
with it. But in any case, the licence is
to run for a period of eight years only,
and I think the licence expires in 1980.
But if the Bengal Government . . .

DR. KAILAS : In the meanwhile,
they will steal away import material or
equipment.

DR. K. L. RAO: What I am sub-
mitting is that it is all under considera-
tion now, and probably during the next
rtssion, non. Members will have some
Bill Or something in that connection.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He
should take it over Immediately.

DR. K. L. RAO : As regards the
portage -that we are having, I would
Eke to submit that it is there at the
present moment. But as soon as winter
comes in, "generally them will fie no
shortage, . because the people consume
ttss In whiter than, hi summer, and,
VhelVfbre, thert wdtdd be no shortage.

DR. K. L. RAO : Shri VenkatasUb-
biah has 'been very kind to me. He
has supported me. What he wanted was
money. I am not in charge of money.
That is the whole trouble.

As I said, for the next Han, we can
neither overshoot the mark nor under-
shoot it. What is exactly to be done?
We have been adding at the rate Of
one million KW a year.

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH :
He is not in charge of money, but at
least he is in charge of distribution of
power. When there are Central pro-
jects from which power is available,
for example, in Tamil Nadu in Naivelli
and in Kalpakkam, what arrangements
are going to be made to give due share
to other States from Such projects'?

DR. K. L. RAO : My hon. friend
of the DMK says that there is no power
in Tamil Nadu for supply to others and
there is a shortage there.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : He has hot
referred to the power crisis in Gujarat
which is acute.

DR. K. L. RAo : How can I deal
with all points? In a limited time?

The question regarding Naivelli and
Kalpakam is a very relevant question.
I did not want to get into a controversy
and was trying to avoid it Since he
has plit a frontal question, I must reply.
In regard fo Naivelli, it is a commit-
ment that has been made. It does sot
belong to the Ministry of Irrigation and
Tower, butto the Ministry - of Steel and

JW erUU AUGUST 22, 1972 WZ

SHRI P. VENKAlTASUBBAIAH :
So his responsibility is 0 > ne 7

DR. K. L. RAO : That is the whole
trouble.

We made a number of enquiries and
they told us that that power has been
committed to Tamil Nadu and so noth-
ing can be done about it

With regard to Kalpakam, it is an
atomic power station. Not only Andhra
Pradesh, but the whole southern region
including Kerala, Mysore, Tamil Nadu
and Andhra must get power from it
That is still under correspondence.

SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY : What about the Kothagudam
project ?

DR. K. L. RAO : As I said, in
Andhra Pradesh, there is a chronic
power shortage; the only way in which
it can be met is by sanctioning a num-
ber of more projects. W e are now at
it, Kothagudam is practically sanction-
ed. There is another one near Vijay-
wada. We are thinking of putting up a
coal pithead project at Ramgundam.
These are all under consideration and
will be taken up shortly.

With regard to Gujarat, there would
not have been shortage but for the
fact that Tarapur has been off and on.
Besides in the case of the Ukai Hydro
power project which is complete, un-
fortunately there has been a slippage
in the matter of delivery of equipment
which is being made locally. That ex-
plains the delay. Otherwise, in north
Gujarat, the power station at Gandhi-
nagar has all but been sanctioned; there
was a slight clarification as to where
they are going to get the cooling water.
That is why it is held up. So Gujarat
has plenty of it.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What
about the proposed atomic power sta-
tion in the Saurashtra region?

DR. K. L. RAO : Atomic power pro-
ject will come last. There are so many
other projects which are under consi-
deration. A number of hon. Members
asked about the atomic energy, thinking
that it is available because the whole
grant comes from the Centre. It may
he that the policy may be changed. In
die western countries they charge it to
'the states* Then nobody will require
iW We know the particular case. In
the ease of Gujarat, because it’ is remote

from the coalfields Jimd hydro-power
plants, we are fully; 'ptyp* of it. Mrt
it takes time. We' hate to gather al
the resources and come tip, There am
some hydro-power resources in Gujarat
which we are trying to develop.

Even with all this demand, we find
that with regard to the demand of 20
million kilowatts for the Fifth Plan, any
responsible person will think, “How
can we get these 20 million kilowatts,
that is, four million kilowatts to be
added every year?” That is what the
hon. Member, Shri Samar Guha, said.
(, Interruptions )

*MR. CHAIRMAN: No interruption
please.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about
Narmada project ? What can be done ?
That can be implemented. What is
wrong in it, Sir? 0 Interruptions )

DR. K. L. RAO: Well, I can tell
the hon. House that the Narmada ques-
tion has been settled very nicely. I
request the hon. Member not to rake it
up. I know the whole thing and wbat
can be done. It is better to avoid that
subject altogether. That is one of the
glorious things that we have done.

The point is, about the 20 million
kilowatts, it is a highly responsible task
that we are faced with. How are we
going to add these 20 million kilowatts ?
Unlike last year, this time I am very
happy. I struggled with the Planning
Commission for one year last time, and
in the end I was not given what I
wanted. But this time, they accepted
the 20 million kilowatt programme —
C Interruptions )

SOME HON. MEMBERS : rose—

MR. CHAIRMAN : Order, please.

DR. K. L. RAO : This was worked
out very carefully, namely, the require-
ment of 20 million kilowatts. It was
then agreed to by the Fuel and Energy
Committee and it was also agreed to
practically by all the various authorities
concerned and the Planning Commis-
sion. What it comes to is this. It is a
very important activity which we must
carry out in this decade. If we do not
have 40 million kilowatts of power by
1978-79, then this country will have to
face a very great disaster. ( Interruptions )

MR. CHAIRMAN : Order please.

DR. K. L. RAO : Whaf I want io
submit is, some may say that this £i

113 Power trills-. . SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SA£A) the Comtry (JWi.) 314

m dream, and wfc ham can wt add
20 million kilowatts in the next five
years, when we arc not able to add one
million kilowatts a year. That is quite
true. But here is the necessity, the need
for this country, If we do not do that,
the country will go down, and power is
the basic input for industry and agricul-
ture. It gives employment for the
people. That is our aim. Therefore, I
request hon. Members to co-operate
fully, whatever may be the drawbacks.
Therefore, if we all go ahead, then only
it will be possible for us. ( Interruptions )

MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, order.
Let him continue.

DR. K. L. RAO : In that context,
there are some steps which we have
to take. There is no use of going along
in the conventional way. We fully rea-
lise that in order to achieve 20 million
kilowatts, we cannot go along in the
conventional way. We have to go in a
different way, in a new approach. The
most important thing in the new ap-
proach is to have an organisation at the
Centre — a central controlling organisa-
tion — controlling the regions and so on.

I may submit that the hon. Member
Dr. Richhariya has always been advo-
cating central organisation since a very
long time, and I am also having the
s&me opinion. But unfortunately we
have to carry all our States with us.

( Interruptions ) Well, Shri Samar Guha
has brought out a very important point
and I am thankful to him. The next
thing that I did was, we had a meeting
of the Ministers of Irrigation and Power
at Srinagar. There, I put this question
to them. Then there was a lot of dis-
cussion. For example, the Minister
from Mysore said that he is going to
have a lot hydro-power. For example,
he wants to have the Kalinadi project.
He did not want to hand it over to the
Centre. Actually, I offered to develop
the Kalinadi project as a Central one.
And I could have done it by this time,
because, with the Centre, when all is
said and done, money flows more
smoothly. ( Interruptions ) But the only
condition was we give 50 per cent to
the State where the power station is
located, and the other 50 per cent must
go into the grid. They said, “No, no;

we do not want that Must have all
the 100 per cent of power.* 9 How can
we do that? Another important factor
is using big size machines. When we
are going to higher stages, the higher
limits of power development, you can-
not do any more with 5 M.W., 10 MW.,
20 M.W. or 30 M.W. or even 100 M.W.
sets as we are doing now.

The unit size must be much bigger,
500 M.W. or 1000 M.W., much bigger
size, much bigger stations. Today a
hundred megawatt station is a big one;
in future it should not be so. It must
be a million or two million kws sta-
tions. In countries like the USSR they
have 3 or 4 million kw stations. Tlien
again, when you are going to have
bigger stations, you must have big trans-
mission lines. At the moment 200 kvs
lines are a great luxury for us; we
must in fact develop 400 and 500 kvs
lines. . . interruptions.) Unfortunately
there is a controversy; we should not
get into controversies now. When you
are thinking of big power stations, yon
must have also developed transmission
lines suitable to carry that power.

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MR. CHAIRMAN: The bell is
rung — now there is quorum.

DR. K. L. RAO : There are some
other points which the hon. Members
have raised and I would have been
happy to answer them; rarely do I get
an opportunity to talk to the hon. Mem-
bers of this House. I would like to
conclude with one or two sentences.
Madhya Pradesh has been doing ex-
tremely valuable work. It has not got
much power but it has been liberal in
giving to other areas whatever it ha«
We want the regional grid to be done*
that is the first thing. We have taken
power from Mysore to far off places.
I thank the hon. Members who took a
gre a t deal of interest and only hope
that they ,would continue to evince the
same interest in the future.

19 hrs.

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Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday
August, 23 1972 /Bhadra 1, 1894 {Saka).

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CONTENTS

No. 17 — Wednesday, August 23, 1972/ Bhadru 1, 1894(5iiA«)

Columns

Oral Answers to Questions :

♦Starred Questions Nos. 322, 324, 327, 328, 332, 334, and 336 . 1—34

Short Notice Question No. 3 34 — 76

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 321, 323, 325, 326, 329 to 33 1, 335 and 337 to 340 . 76 — 84

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3180 to 3184, 3186, 3188-320?, 3207 to 3222, 3224
to 3232, 3234 to 3238, 3240 to 3245, 3247 to 3263, 3265 to 3303, 3305 to

3307, 3310 to 3362 and 3364 to 3379 84—225

Papers Laid on the Table . . . 225—27

Message from Rajya Sabha . 227—28

Committee on Private Members* Bills and Resolutions—

Seventeenth Report 228

Companies (Amendment) Bill-

Motion for reference to Joint Committee 228- 32

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill-

Motion to consider ... 233 — 52

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan ... . . 233 — 38

Shri Manoranjan Hazra . . 239—41

Shri Sudhakar Pandey .... 241—46

Shnmati Gayatri Devi of Jaipur . 246 — 51

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh . 251—52

Motion Re. Separate Central Schemes foi Development of Backward Areas 252 — 320

Shri Dasaratha Deb 252 — 55

Shri B. V. Naik ... 255—58

Shri Biren Engti ' . 258—61

Shri Murasoh Maran .... .... 262—64

Shri Narcndra Singh Bisht ... 264—71

Shri Panna Lai Barupal ... 271— 73

Shri K. M. Madhukar ... .... 274—78

♦The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was
actually asked oil the floor of the House by that Member.

Columns

£hn Pan poor nanand Painuli

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya

Shri Kushok Bakula

Shn Jagdish Narain Man dal

Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha

Shri Darbara Singh

Shi i T. D. Kamble

Shri Shambhu Nath

Shri K. Mallanna

Shri Rajdeo Singh

Shri Chiranjib Jha

Shri K. Ramakrishna Reddy

Prof. Narain Chand Parasha r

Shri Ambesh

Shri Vasant Sathe

Shri D. P. Dhar

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar .

. 278 — 81

. 281—84

. 284—85

. 285—87

. 287—90

290—91
. 291—93

. 293—96

. 296—97

. 297—300
. 300—02

. 302—03

. 303—04

. 304—05

. 305—07
. 307—18

318—19

LOfc SAJBRa DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Wednesday, August 23,1972/

Bhadra 1, 1894 (Saka).

The Lok Sahha met at Fleven
of the Clock.

[Mr. Speakfr in the Chair]

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Objection of larail Nadu to Directive for

Correspondence with centre in Hindi

*322. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Government
have objected to the directive of Centre to
the Joint Secretaries for correspondence
with the Centre in Hindi and have asked
to withdraw the directive; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Union Govern-
ment therto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER-
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIR-
DHA) : (a) No. Sir.

(b) Question does not arise.

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : The Chief
Minister of Tamil Nadu had already clari-
fied on Monday that the Central directive
on Hindi, he had referred to m the Assembly
last week related to the mode of addressing
Union Ministers and the Secretariat and
not to the correspondence and that it was
issued by the President on May, 3, 1971
and ' forwarded to the State Govern-
41 LS/72 — 2.

ment by the Prime Ntiribt&’s Cabinet
Secretariat and the Notification ftrtenifed
the Government of India Allocation of
Business Rules, 1961 substituting Hindi
equivalents for English terms in Ihe First
Schedule of the Rules.

So, I want to know whether it is a fact
that the copy of the President's Notification
which was issued on 3rd May has been sent
to the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, giving
nomenclature of the Ministries and Minis-
ters in Hindi and, if so what is the purpose
and what is the present position.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA . Theie
is no question of there being any directive
to the State Governments that they should
address the Ministers of the Union Govern-
ment in Hindi. The question did not
arise. I do not know how this impres-
sion went about. As regards the nomen-
clature of various Ministries, the House
is also aware that this problem was raised
here but it was satisfactorily solved and
certain amendments were made in view
of the opinion expressed in this House. I do
not think there is any problem with respect
to that Notification either.

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : May I know
whether these changes are in consonance
with the famous assurance of Nehru to
non-Hu\di speaking States ? I want to know
whether the Govbrnment has issued strong
directives to Government servants to use
these nomenclatures under the threat of
disciplinary action.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : There
is no questionjof issuing strong directives
under the threat of disciplinary action.

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, BHADRA 1,1894 (SAKA)

Ora Answers

These are Government orders. As 1 said
earlier, a satisfactory solution was found
in the House also. There is no question
of taking any disciplinary action. Ail the
Government servants are expected to obey
these orders. But there is no problem with
respect to taking any disciplinary action.
There is no need to do so. There is no occa-
sion for doing so.

SHRl V. MAYA VAN : Is it in conso-
nance with the famous assurance given
by Mr. Nehru to non-Hindi speaking area ?

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : Every-
thing that is being done with respect to the
anguage policy is in consonance with the
wishes of the Houses as expressed by the
Resolution and assurance given by the late
Prime Minister Nehru.

SHRI SFZH1YAN : The hon. Minister
was kind enough to recall the assurance
given on the floor of House last year in
regard to the amendment to the President's
Order wherein it was stated that English
names will be changed to Hindi names
with Roman libi in brackets. Then, an
assurance was given on the floor of the
House that English names will be retained
and within brackets names will be given
in Hindi.

Now, contrary to that,' I find there
are many communications leceived by
Members of Parliament and also by the
public wherein Hindi names aie given,
either in Devanagari libi or in Roman.
For example, l have got an envelop which
has been addressed to me wherein every-
thing is in Hindi. I do t not know from
where it has come. Here, I have got another
letter written to a person in Tanjore District,
Tamil Nadu, wherein Hindi names are
used Bharat Sarkar Vnta Mantralaya ,
Raj as w a . ...I do not know from where
it has come. The English form is not
given there.

Why not follow the assurance given
here that the names will be retained in
English with Hindi names in Devanagarilibi
what happened to hat assurance ?
Even a Minister in Tamil Nadu has told me
that the Departments' names, etc. in the
communications addressed to them are
in Hindi. I want a categorical assurance
from the hon. Minister as to how far the
amendmennt to the President’s Order
just now mentioned has been issued and
how far it has been implemented in spirit
and letter.

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : As I
said, the intention of the Government
is, and we have issued orders to that effect,
that the assurances given in this House
have to be obeyed and obeyed in the right
spirit. The hon. Member has given sonic
instances. If he can pass them on to me,
I will examine in detail what lapse there
is, whether it contravens the assurance
given and we will take steps to set rnatlets
right.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : U
there any opposition to the use of Hindi
from Andhra Pradesh and, if not, is the
Central Government going to persuade
all the States in the countrv to progressively
use Hindi ?

MR. SPEAKER . The Question con-
cerns Tamil Nadu, not Andhra Pradesh
I do not object if he has got the answer. I am
judging the relevancy of your supplementary.

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :More
than 85 per cent of people in Tamil Nadu
want Hindi (Interruption).

MR. SPEAKER ■ No please.

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SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is
agreed irrevocably that the use of English
language for communications between the
Central Government and State Govern-
ments and non-Hindi speaking States

until the latter choose to correspond
in Hindi remains. In view of the fact
that complaints are coming from the highest
quarters, will the hon. Minister consider
and agree to institute an inquiry into the
matter so that the whole thing could be
thoroughly enquired into and a decision
taken ?

SHRI RAM NLWAS MIRDHA : It is
perfectly clear that no enquiry is necessary.
We are not contravening any provisions
of the Resolution passed by this House
or the assurances given here. (Interrup-
tion) The Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu
is reported to have said that the Central
Government has told the State Govern-
ments that all letters addressed to the Union
Ministers should be in Hindi. It is not
correct. Wc have not issued any instruc-
tions of this nature.

Industrial Survey of Madhya Pradesh

*324 SHRT Cr. C. DIXITt :

' SHRI ARVIND NETAM :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether any industrial survey of
Madhya Pradesh has been conducted ; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof
and the action proposed to be taken by
Government on the Survey Report ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) and (b). A statement is
laid on the Table of the House.

STATEMENT

►

(a) Yes, Sir. Recently the Joint Insti-
tutional Study Team set up by 1DBI,
IFCI, ICICI and the Reserve Bank of
India surveyed the State and prepared a
report on its industrial potential.

(b) The report brings out that a central
geographical position conferring benefits of

7 Ora! Answers \ BHADRA 1, 1894 (SARA} Oral Answers $

market in the neighbouring areas and safe-
ty iron strategic point of view, very large
deposits of mineral redtftrces, particularly
iron ore, vast forest resjfotces in a wide-
spread area, a fairly comfortable food
position coupled with the immense scope
for furthering agricultural production, a
lower density of population, surplus power
and above all, the climate for industria-
lisation generated by large investments in-
ducted in public sector projects like Bhilai
Steel and Heavy Electricals (India) Limit-
ed (Bhopal) are major favourable factors
conducive to industrialisation that the State
enjoys. On the other hand, a relatively
backward economy marked by a low per
capita income and income generation, an
excessive dependence on agriculture, lack
of industrial tradition, inadequate transport
system accentuated by the wastness of the
area rendering exploitation of natural re-
sources and marketing of produce difficult,
i datively costly power structure, the dearth
of legal entrepreneurship and inadequacy
of trained and skilled labour have beer, the
mam barriers affecting rapid industrial grow-
th in the State. The pace of industrialisa-
tion in the years to come, for which the
State has undoubtedly unlimited potential,
greatly depends on the speed with which
these handicaps are removed and the fav-
ourable factors are taken advantage of.

The survey has also identified the in-
dustrial projects which hold promise of
coming up m the foreseeable future.

The report is now updet examination of
the State Government and will soon be
discussed by the Committee of Direction to
finalise the strategy of follow up.

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SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Madhya Pradesh
is considered to be a backward State so
fai as industrial development is concerned,
so far as the other economic aspects are
concerned There are certain districts like
Bastar where raw materials like bamboo
aic available. In the first week of June,
the hon Prime Minister visited that area and
she has seen the condition of the poor
Adviasis there. May I know whether any
letter of intent has been issued to any firm
to find out the potentiality and put up a
factory — a paper factory? If it has been
issued to a private concern, what objec-
tion Government has got to put up an
industry in the public sector?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD: As far
as Bastai district is concerned, it is a back-
ward district and law material available
there is suitable for paper industry. The
Bangur Group of industries has been given
a letter of intent in the Joint Sector. We
hope that this industry will come up in
that backward district of Bastar.

SHRI R S. PANDEY: The paper will
will have sophisticated machinery and there
will hardly be any scope for employment
of people in this automation. May I know
whether, before they issued the letter of
intent, they examined the potential of em-
ployment? This is also very important so
far as Madhya Pradesh is concerned.

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AUGUST 23, 1?72

Prial Answers 10

SHJU SIDPHESflWA* PgASAD: it is
completely a different question about em-
ployment potential, etc. If the hon.
Member wants to have any specific in-
formation on this point, he may ask a
separate question.

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SHRl D. BASUMATARI: Wherever any
industry is established in the tribal area
because raw materials are found in those
areas, the tribal people are ousted from
their homes and hearths. This being the
case, may I know from the hon. Minister
whether he has approached the planning
Commission to see that, wherever such a
project is taken up, the ousted people are
rehabilitated with land for land 7

SHRl S1DDHESHWAR PRASAD: There
is a programme for rehabilitation wherever
industries are set up in such districts. If
there is any specific project in the mind
of the hon. Member and if he has certain
specific issues related to that, he may cer-
tainly ask a separate question.

SHRl D BASUMATARI : What about
Baladilla ? A number of people have
been ousted from that place.

MR. SPEAKER : This is a question re-
garding Madhya Pradesh. Please do not
think that the Minister is in the dock and
has to give all the information; that should
not be the spirit while asking the question.
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1 1 Oral Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 12

Recommendations df Press Council of
India on diffusion of Ownership and
Control of Newspapers

*327. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whethei the Press Council of India
have adopted a set of recommendations on
diffusion of ownership and control of
newspapers;

(b) whether those lecommendations
have been forwarded to Government for
consideiation and necessary action; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). It is understood
that the Press Council is considering this
matter.

his question is about the Press Council and
that we have replied to.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Is it not
a fact that a Committee of Ministers was
then appointed at the end of last year to
make firm proposals? In May this year,
the Prime Minister, regretting the delay,
assured the Parliament that the Committee
was on the verge of concluding its labours.
Eight months of discussion in the Com-
mittee of Ministers has led to a compre-
hensive Bill whtch is actually. . . .

MR. SPEAKER Are you asking a
question ?

SH R1 JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am ask-
ing a question. What is the reason for the
Government to postpone the Bill? Let
the people not get the impression that the
Government is pressurised by the p ress
barons.

SHRI IYOTIRMOY BOSU. The Govern-
ment announced its intention in the last
year during the Budget Session to amend
the Companies Act to give effect to what
was recommended by the Press Council as
far back as 1954. What is the reason that
they have not been able to fulfil the assu-
rance they have given on the floor of the
House while trying to meet the requirements
of the members on the Budget 7

SHRI l K. GUJRAL l think my hon.
friend, when he drafted his supplementaries,
forgot the main question The main ques-
tion pertains to the discussion on the Press
Council itself. The supplementaries are
about the process through which the Govern-
ment is passing. All the same, I am trying
to accommodate him.

1 would like to repeat what said earlier,
that the entire matter is under consider-
ation of the Government and the broad

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI I K. GUJRAL).
The hon. Member ha? mixed up the Press
Council with the Press Commission. The
question is about the Press Council . . .
(Interruptions)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . I meant
Press Commission. am sorry.

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : do not know
what he means because the intention is
walways very pious. The difficulty is that

intentions and commitments of the Govern-
ment are known to this House . . .
(Intel i apt ions)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . am
going by what the Prime Minister has
kindly said on the floor of the Hojse in May
last and also last year the Information &
Broadcasting Minister. Now, this Bill
should have been enacted in 4his session.
So, whatever he says we will view it with
great suspicion. What is the reason for
the Government for not bringing t be Bill

13 Oral Answers

BHADRA 1, t*94 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 14

for enactment in this session ? We want
to know specifically and categorically.

SHRl I. K. GUJRAL : The Government
has made no commitment at any stage that
the Bill would come in this session. The
only thing 1 would like to repeat is that the
Government is now seized of the matter
and the Government stands by its commit-
ment.

SHRI' JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He has
misled the House once again. It was there
in Part II Bulletin which listed the Bills
coming up for discussion in the session.
On the top of that the hon. Minister says
that the Government never said.

MR. SPEAKER : May be, but, not
commit ted for this session.

SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It was
in Part II Bulletin. I raised i t in the House-
you remenber and he apologised. Today
he takes a different stance. 1 understand
that the big business is pressurising them
and they are dilly-dallying with the whole
issue.

MR. SPEAKER : This is Question-
Hour. Please sit down after your question.

SHRl 1. K. GUJRAL : l would like to
make clear one thing. My hon. friend
has made wild allegations. J can say with
a great deal of assertion that neither any
big business in this country nor my hon.
friend will have any strength to pressurise
the Government. The Government can
stand on its own and its own policies.

SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : All paper
tigers.

SHRl INDRAJIT GUPTA. Apart from
the fact as my friend, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu,
said and has correctly said, that the Bulletin
for the Session did list this Bill among the
other Bills which were put down for busi-
ness -he may say that that is not a commit-
ment, bat at least we were led to believe

that it will be one of the items of business
for this session— apart from that, would
like to know from him that in view of the
f^ct that this Committee of Ministers did
go in depth into this question as far as we
know and as a result of their labours, it
is said that some draft Bill has been prepared
and the Committee included eminent lawyer
Ministers also like Shri G ok hale and Shri
Kumaramangalam, what prevents the Go-
vernment from at least introducing the Bill
and then let it go to a Select Committee
where all the details and all that can be
gone into ? Why should it not be intro-
duced?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After
discussion.

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : What my friend
is saying is quite strange that the Govern-
ment introduces Bills without finalising
its own policy. The Government docs
not finalise its policy in the Select Commi-
ttees. Whenever the Government makes
a Bill or brings a Bill, then the Government
stands by it Only minor adjustments
are made in the Select Committee.

The basic issue which my hon. friend
might know is that the Committee of Mini-
sters waa appointed. The Ministers Com-
mittee did discuss. The Ministers’ Com-
mittee did not discuss the final draft as it
was given to us.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
The hon. Minister was pleased to say that
m some form this matter is being considered
by the* Press Council. Now, may I ask
whether the Press Council is doing it on
its own or on a reference fron the Govern-
ment ? If it is on a reference from the Gover-
nment, what are the points that have been
referred to the Press Council ?

SHRl I. K. GUJRAL : My hon. friend
will recall that in the Press Council Act
a specific clause has been laid down that

15 Oral

^UGLIJH' 2S, 1972

<k«l Antwers 16

the Press Council shall cx^ptin? the diffusion
of newspapers ownership, etc. Therefore,
it did not need any refyencp from the
Government. Jhp press Council is now
studying it in terms of the particular clause
in the law itself.

SHRI MURASQU MARAN : Is it
true that the Government is waiting or
keeping the Bill in cold storage because
the Government wants to wait until the
judgment regarding the Newspaper Control
Order is delivered ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : When the Go-
vernment decide finally as to what shape
the Bill should take, naturally all the factors
will be considered and naturally one of the
factors will be the judgment of the Supreme
Court. We cannot ignore that.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I want to know
from the hon. Minister whether he is aware
that although the progressive section of
our people are for the anti-monopoly Bill,
there is an apprehension in the minds of
large sections of people that m trying to
diffuse the ownership and control of the
newspapers the Government is trying
to indirectly control the newspapers them-
selves. In view of this apprehension may
I know whether the views of the large sec-
tion of the public, intellectuals and readers
and others, will be taken into consideration
before coming to final decision in regard
to drafting of the Bill ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : While drafting
the Bill the broad spectrum of the public
opinion will be kept in view and when it
comes before the House, the hon. Members
who represent public opinion may also be
able to let us know about the public reaction.
But may I also add that there need be 'no
3 Rprehensipn whatsoever so far as freedom
pf exp^ssioq is concerned. This Govern-
ment stands committed to freedom of press.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEp rpsd

MR. SPEAKER : Your leader has asked
a question. Then I will come tq you in
the second round hut not immediately.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Puring
discussion you go by Party. In Question-
Hour also, should you go Partywise ?

MR. SPEAKER : Try to understand
the substance of my reason. Once he has
asked, I have to go to the other side.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In thqt case,
let the Prime Minister answer one question
on their behalf, nobody else.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Whatever
you are saying should apply to the Congress
also. Then we will be happy. One ques-
tion for each Party.

SHRI HARl KISHORE SINGH : In
view of the wide interest on this question,
may l know how long it will take for the
Government to finalise its policy ?

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as finali-
sation of policy is concerned, that is well
known to my friend. The policy is finalised
The question is drafting and bringing a
Bill. For that, I think, Sir, naturally it
takes time. But cannot commit myself
in terms of days and months as to how long
it will take.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : May I
point out one thing. In reply to my ques-
tion, the Minister said that Committee
of Ministers did not determine the Govern-
ment's policy and the policy has to be deter-
mined before the Bill is brought or given
to the Select Committee. Now he says
that the policy has already determined
( Interruptions )

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : I stand by v(iat
1 sajd that the Ministers* Committee did
not consjdpr the final draft as sent tp pie
Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.
I die) not talk about policy.

P Oral Answers

BHADRA |,1 WIS4XA)

OralAjfswerq 18

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; Conversion
<Sf the Press Trust of India and other news
38c$£i& ihto a Corporation was delayed
Realise they were trying to bring a legis-
lation for supposed to be diffusion of owner-
ship and control of newspapers. I would
like to know 4 s to why there is the delay,
why conversion of the PTI into a public
corporation is being delayed though there
was a clear recommendation by the Press
Council

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : The Press Council
made no such recommendation to us.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEK : It was the
recommendation of the Press Commission
that the PTI should be taken over and
converted into a corporation. This
House was told by Shrimati Nandini
Satpathy when she was the I & B Minister
that this was delayed because of this Bill.
I want to know why the Bill is being delayed
now.

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : The Press Com-
mission did suggest and some steps were
taken in the past in the light of the Press
Commission's report also. We have also
felt that some further action is needed
and as part of this Bill we will deal with
News Agencies also.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Oral Answers 20

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SHRI PARTPOORNANAND PA1N-
ULI : The Ministr has rightly said and
the working group’ of the Planning Com-
mission long ago had recommended that
in the backward areas they should set up
new industries How is it that during
the yeai 1969-70 and 1970-71, only 91
industries are set up in the backward
and the tribal areas out of a total of 752
industries set up during this period?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD:
Location of industries in the backward
areas is going up in 1969, 17 licences were
given for setting up of industries in back-
ward areas ; in 1970 this figuie went up

21 Oral Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 22

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SHRl R S PANDEY : Thi*, is a re-
flection on you. You are the Speaker,
you come from Punjab; Punjab is not a
backward area.

MR. SPEAKER : Persons establish-
ing industries are still backward; it is
suffering because of that. 1 am sorry I am
also participating in the discussion

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
Punjab is one of the most advanced and pro-
gressive Stales in the world, l should say.
The per capita income of Punjab is the
highest m the whole of India.

MR, SPEAKER : It is not because
of your industry ; it is due to our own
industry ; we arc hard-working people.

SHRl R.S PANDEY Punjabis are
most industrious, Su

DR. MAH1PATRAY MEHTA : Huge
capital is lying idle which came from the
icfugces from Africa in the backward dis-
trict of Kutch in Gujarat. What is it that
Government wants to do to utilise this
capital for the industrial development of
that area ?

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
It is a sepai ate question.

SHRl D.N. Tl W ARY : The hon. Minis-
ter* has given the figures of industries estab-
lished in backward areas. North Bihar

is the most backward area. May I know
how many industries were set up there
during the last 10 years ? Except Barauni
refinery there is no industry in the seven
districts of North Bihar. May I know
whether any steps are being taken to set
up industries there and if so, what are the
steps ?

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :

I do not have the details. After the coming:
into being of the backward area scheme*
certain new industries m the backward
districts of North Bihar have been licensed.

SHRl DN. TIWARY : I don’t see
any activity there in opening up of any
new industry.

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose—

MR SPEAKER : Fvery gentleman who
is standing is under the impiession that he
is alone standing He docs not know
that so many othcis are standing also.
How is it possible to accommodate so
many people ? I will pick up one from
backward area, Shri Mohanty.

SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY :
Has there been any shift in the policy of
industrialisation of the backward areas
in view of Mr. Subramaniam's package
plan for backward areas ? If so, what
are the broad features of that change in
policy.

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
Wc are laying more and more emphasis
on the development of the backward dis-
tricts and also areas which are backward.
Such areas are spotted out and project
reports are prepared

SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY :
My question is being evaded. I asked a
specific question. Is there going to be a
shift in the policy of industrialisation of
the backward districts and backward areas

23 Oral Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Q/q! 4my?s 7A

ft* yfcy of Mr. Subfamqj$un> admitted
‘pj^age ptafl’ which is ^ contradiction
of tt$ earlis? scheme of fleyelopment of
l^ch^ard areas ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE &
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI G SUBRAMA-
NIAM): There is no change in the industri-
alisation programme. But my idea is
this, namely that pushing in a few industries
alone would not bring up the backward
areas and make them forward with re-
ference to the large masses of the people.
Therefore, if we take into account the lagre
masses of the people, the package progra-
mmes will have to be taken up, and that
i9 being worked out.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY :
Is that his subjective assessment, or is it

guided by any objective considerations?

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SHRI B.P. MAURYA : My question
has not been answered. Will it be the
policy of Government to allocate the funds
on the basis of the backward aieas and the
population <rf the Scheduled Tribes? Let
him say ‘Yes* or ‘No*.

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : As fat as
financial allocation by Government is con-
cerned, that would be only with reference
to public sector projects. But public sector
projects are only in the heavy industries area
and their number is limited. Therefore,
generally, it has got to be a case of pushing
the private sector to these backward areas
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specific funds does not arise. But I do
agree that in spite of all our efforts to have
more industrialisation in backward areas,
for want of the infra-structure and other
facilities there, even with all the induce-
ments, industrialisation is not taking place
as much as would like it to. But we shall
make all efforts to provide this infrastruc-
ture at least in certain key areas m the back-
ward districts and see that some industries
come up there.

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BHAdRA 1, 18$4 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 26

g6itt| to provide any employment oppor-
tunities for tHe Adibasis, because these
rtSftiife hfeiily trained men, particularly
ttie refineries and other sophisticated indus-
tiies. In the name of Adibasis, certainly
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sis themselves. Therefore, it has got to
be a programme of giving proper train-
ing to the Adibasis and also taking up
industries which would benefit them and
which would give employment potential
to them more than a question of pushing
these sophisticated industries there.

SHR1 VlR BHADRA SINGH : How
many licences have been issued for setting
up Industries in the private or public sector
in Himachal Pradesh and in the UP Hills,
which the hon. Minister knows are very
backwaid areas industrially, and will
Government give special attention to in-
dustrialise these areas ?

MR. SPEAKER : That is a very specific
question. If the hon. Minister is prepared
to answer, I have no objection.

SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
I would require notice for it.

DR H P SHARMA : The reply states
very clearly that it is the accepted policy
of Government to give preferential treat-
ment to backward areas, subject only to
one condition, namely that the techno-
cconomic conditions would be feasible.
There is a very specific case of shifting
of the oil refineiy from Sawoi Madhopur
to Agia. Sawoi Madhopui is a backward
district and the population there is Sche-
duled Tribe. Theie are no problems of
techno-economic feasibility. Even then,
why was the decision taken to shift it from
Sawoi Madhopur to Agra. Would Govern-
ment reconsider the decision ?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : This
question should be put to the Petroleum
and Chemicals Ministry.

SHRI KRISHNA HALDER : Ban-
kura and Purulia are tow backward dis-
tricts in West Bengal inhabited by Sche-
duled Tribes. May I know whether Go-
vernment is going to open new factories
in these two districts ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR RRASAD :
The raiin question relates to Rajasthan.

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SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : Hon.
Members do not expect us to have figures
in respect of all the districts in the whole
of India. If the hon. Member is interest-
ed in these two districts, either he can write
to me and I shall give him the information*
or he can put a separate question.

Joint Sector for rapid Industrializa-
tion

*332. SHRI S R. DAMAN1 : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether any policy has been evolved
to implement the concept of joint-sector
for rapid industrialization ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD ) : (a) to (c) . A statement is laid
on the, Table of the House.

Statement

To secure the rapid growth of indus-
tries in a manner consistent with
national needs and public interest, the
Industrial Licensing Policy of the Gbvem-
merit announced in February, 1970 envi-
sages the concept of the Joint Sector through

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which a greater degree or participation,
particularly at policy leveli will be ensured
in the k case of mqor projects involving
substantial assistance frotn Public Finan-
cial Institutions. These institutions will
have the option for converting loans and
debentures issued in future into equity.
In respect of loans and debentures given
in the past, the financial institutions .will
have the discretion, in cases of defaults,
to negotiate conversion. Detailed guide-
lines regarding conversion have been issued
by the Department of Banking and copies
of the same have already been laid on the
Table of the House.

Instructions have been issued that
where State Industrial Development Cor-
porations wish to associate other parties
in the projects licensed to them, the Cor-
porations themselves should hold not Jess
than 26% of the equity and no other party
should hold more than 25%.

SHRI S R. DAMANI : This scheme
has been introduced for the rapid growth
of industries. But no detail has been
given in the statement. May I know
the reactions of the entrepreneurs regard-
ing this scheme? Are they fully satisfied
with it or do they have any reservation,
and if they have any reservation, on what
grounds, and how are Government
going to tackle it? Secondly, may I also
know whether under this scheme, foreign
entrepreneurs will also be allowed to par-
ticipate, and if so, whether any agreement
has been reached with foreign entrepren-
eurs under this scheme?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
This joint-sector concept has worked very
well in certain industries, and we want to
expand this idea further. There has been
good response. Beyond this, Government
also want to have some so^t of policy con-
trol in such industries where a lot of public
finance has been loaned or invested. With

this idea in view this joint-sector idea has
been introduced, and I hope that it is bound
to succeed. Since this new form has been
introduced only very recently, therefore,
the assessment and the real position will
be known only after some time.

SHRI S.R. DAMANI : May I know
whether foreign entrepreneurs also would
be allowed under this scheme ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
For foreign collaboration also, broad
guidelines have been issued under which
foreign collaborations are being allowed.

SHRI S.R. DAMANI : Whal are the
specific items reserved for the joint sector,
and will the same terms and conditions
and facilities be given in all the States uni-
formly or will they be different for different
States ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
Under the Industrial Policy Resolution
of 1956, we have certain items reserved
for the public sector and certain items
or the prvatc sectoi This joint
sector concept is being implemented in
those items which were supposed to be
left for the private sector.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA-
So far as the joint sector is concerned,
one thought is that this sector was not
meant to radically change the IP Resolu-
tion, that is, sectors earmarked for the
private sector or for the public sector
would be kept intact. Is that the position 0

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMAN-
IAM): Yes, that is the position. But
when in the private sector large investments
have to be made from public financial
institutions, then the idea is instead
of giving loan purely for the private
sector, to make it a joint sector. That ts

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the policy decision now and further de-
tails axe being worked out as to the various
alternative form of operation of the joint
sector with regard to financial participa-
tion, management etc.

SHRI P. GANGADEB : How many
joint sector units have been formed till
now ? how many are pending ?

MR. SPEAKER : This question is about
the policy evolved. He may take a sepa-
rate question.

SOME hon. MEMBERS rose -

MR. SPEAKER : Any of you.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 1 am a
turn-key project the moment you pi ess
the button, I am ready.

MR. SPEAKER : I said ‘any of you’
because all the three are quite strong.

SHRI SM. BANERJEE : There was
a new item in the papers to the effect that
Shri J R.D. Tata has suggested that T1SCO
should be run on a joint sector basis. Is
it true, and if so, what is Government’s
reaction?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM . The
question should be addressed to the Steel
Ministry

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : The question
was about the joint sector and my question
was following from that.

MR. SPEAKER : He is asking a specific
question to which he has replied that it
should be addressed to the concerned
Ministry.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : In view
of what the hon. Minister has said just
now that the contents of the IP Resolution
which they had very piously brought out
would remain untouched, will he kindly
.explain to us how is it that TELCO
is being allowed to expand its production

of steel, which is item No. 1 in the IP
Resolution, concerning industries which
should remain in the public sector, by 100
per cent, and only the increased capacity
will be in the joint sector ?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : TELCO
is not producing steel but trucks.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am sorry,

I meant TISCO . . .May I seek your pro-
tection ?

MR. SPEAKER : I have to seek protec-
tion of the whole House against him.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why do
you get angry. Sir? Wc are in a cheerful
mood to transact business, I meant TISCO,

] know it is a tricky and embarrassing
question, but let him answer it.

MR. SPEAKER : It is not relevant.

SHRI A.P. SHARMA : In this policy
decision about the working of the joint
sector, the scheme of workers’ parti-
cipation in management also been
decided upon ?

SHhl C. SUBRAMANIAM : It is a
different question. But labour partici-
pation is the policy accepted. It does not
arise out of this.

Organisation ‘Assist” set op in Bangalore
to help qualified doctors, engineers, scien-
tists and technicians returning from
abroad

*334. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
a non-profit organisation “ASSIST” has
been started in Bangalore to help qualified
doctors, engineers, scientists and tech-
nicians wanting to return to India and
find suitable jobs ip the country;

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iii the backward areas h

(b) if fcd, #hether t^eririWeht are pre-
ptoM to p&br6nt& ® organisation to
Stop brain-drain Wd feeip id rehabilitate
those who return to ftfe country; and

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The “ASSIST” approached the
Council of Scientific and Industrial Re-
search (CSIR) for general cooperation.
The CSIR has asked the organisation to
spell but what it expects from CSIR in
furthering its service to Scientists.

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Instead of
asking ASSIST to spell it out, will CSIR
fonnulate a programme to make it an
effective organisation?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : This is
a private organisation They have asked
for our assistance. We have asked them
what assistance do they need. Certainly
we cannot ask the ASSIST to reorganise
itself in a particular way, but we should
know what they mean by ASSIST. Hence
we have asked for clarification.

Response to incentives to start Indostries
In Backward areas

*336. SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN:
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TEC-
HNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the response to the scheme
to provide incentives to entrepreneurs
to start industries in the backward areas
continues to be rather poor;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

THE DEftTTY MINISTER IN

Ministry bE industrial deve-
lopment (shri siobrife§H#Ak
PRASAD (a) to (c) : Since the scheme
of incentives is in its early stage of imple-
mentation it will be too soon to judge its
results at this stage. Most of the State
Governments are in the process of Orga-
nising these preliminary arrangements
which are the necessary pre-requisites for
industrial growth and'which together with
the incentives schmes will induce industries
to be set up in backward districts.

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN : In
view of newspaper reports about the poor
response to the scheme, how many appli-
cations have been received, how many
licences issued and how many are from
the big industrial houses ?

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD :
The response has not been poor. Alto-
gether as on i-8-72, we have received 1318
applications. 1 do not have the figure
as to how many are from the larger houses.

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The
fact remains that the big industrial houses
are after a high rate of profit and since
starting industries in the rural sector may
not be highly profitable, they are not much
interested in this scheme. It is because
of that that I asked in (c) whether Govern-
ment are working out any alternative
scheme. Are Government seriously think-
ing of working out any alternative scheme
in view of the failure of this scheme?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA-
MANIAM ): I am Sure the hon. membefr
is not interested in the big houses coming
into this. As I stated in reply to another

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Oral Answers 34

question, it is not just a question of giv-
ing incentives alone particularly for the
new entrepreneurs and medium-size in-
dustries; it is a question of giving all the
other infra-structure facilities also. This
is being taken up. As pointed out by
my colleague, there has been a good
number of applications and they are being
processed. We should see how far during
1972-73 we will be able to push these things.
As a matter of fact, the likely expenditure
with regards to subsidies and various
other incentives would be round about
Rs 2 crores in 1972-73 on present assess-
ment.

SHRIC SUBRAM ANl AM : We should
watch it, and if it does not click, as far as
the scheme is concerned, it is not as if
we arc not thinking about it We should
formulate other progiammcs for the pui-
pose of bring. ng up the backward areas

SHR1 VASAN r SATHL ■ In view of
the fact that in these regions, one of the
important requiremnels for development
is the adequate supply of law materials
and then marketing, is the Government
having any plan to meet these requirements
so that in these regions industrial growth
may take place in the medium and small-
scale sectei.. ,J

SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM When the
industries come up, these will be taken
care of — the raw materials and adequate
facilities for marketing.

SHRl VASANT SATHE : Even in the
existing industries, the raw material is
not adequately supplied. Arc you going
to take care of them?

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : That is
mite a different question There is a
general scarcity. We are aware of it, and
wo are taking steps to remove the scarcity
of raw materials generally m the industrial
sector.

41 LSS/72— 3

MR. SPEAKER ; The question-hour
is over. We take up the Short Notice
Question now.

Short Notice Question

Alleged murder of shri Onkar Singh at
Balbir Nagar, Shnhdara (Delhi)

SNQ.3 SHRI H K. L. BHAGAT :

DR. L AXMINARA VAN
PANDEYA:

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to stale the steps taken by
Government to meet the situation arising
out of the alleged murder of Shri Onkar
Singh, an'officer of the Delhi Home Guard,
at Balbir Nagar, Shahdara (Delhi)?

THr MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OE HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K C. PAN!) A statement is laid on the
Table of the House.

SOME HON MEMBERS . Read the
statement

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
We have got a whole bunch of statements,
but not that one We have not seen it.

MR SPIAKLR . He can read the
statement . (Infer/ upturn)

SHRI SM BANERJEE : He says it
is laid on the Table. In that case, the
papers should have been circulated.

MR. SPEAKER : That is why I asked
him to read the statement. Anyway,
I got this copy quite in advance.

SHRI ‘V1KRAM MAHAJAN : Please
ask the Notice Office to supply such things
earlier. (Interruption)

SHRI K C. PANT : On the 21st August,
I had spoken in the House on the regret-
table incidents that had taken place in
Shahdara on the 19th and the 20th. Some
incidents took place on the 21st August

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also. The situation has remained quiet
since the evening of the 21st.

The two cases registered in regard to
the death of Shri Onkar Singh are being
investigated according to law by the Crime
Branch of Delhi Police, personally by the
Superintendent of Police. A.S.I. Bakshish
Singh, Head Constable Sujan Singh and
Constable Dharam Pal have been arrested
in connection with one of the cases and have
been placed under suspension. Six other
persons have also been arrested in the
case.

To deal with violent mobs the police
resorted to the use of tcargas and lalhi-
charge. On one occasion, when a violent
mob surrounded the Shahdara Railway
police Post the officer in Charge fired from
his revolver. One person was hit and later
died According to information avail-
able with the police, 87 members of the
public were injured. 280 police person-
nel and magistrates also received injuries.
In respect of specific incidents of violence
21 cases have been registered and aie be-
ing investigated according to law. In-
fluential citizens of Delhi have taken the
welcome initiative to enlist people’s co-
operation in the maintenance of peace.

Government has decided to institute
a judicial inquiry to inquire into the course
of the disturbances, the adequacy of the
administrative measuies taken to pi event
and deal with them, the justification For the
use of force by the police, the extent 1 hereof
and the allegations of excesses by the police.

SHRI HKl. BHAGAY . Mr. Speaker,
Sir, it is with a sense of deep anguish and
pain that I rise to ask for a few clarifica-
tions in regard to the matter in question.
During the last three to four da>s, the
name of this great capital of India has
been sullied by ugly incidents, tnggered
off by the alleged murder at Shahdara of

the Home Guards Officer by a police, officer
and some of the alleged accomplices res-
ulting m incidents of violence, arson and
dislocation of rail and road traffic,

MR. SPEAKER : Put the question.

SHRI H K.L. BHAGAT : I am asking
the question,— burning and damage to
public property, injury to a large number
of innocent men and women and children,
and police personnel, and immeasurable
hardship to the people in general in the
Trans-Iumna area. In the interests of
justice, a few clarifications arc very neces-
sary.

Firstly, the alleged murder took place on
the 18th of August, 1972 and the alleged
culpi its were arrested on the 19th. Latci,
between the 18th and 19th, hundreds of
people gathered at the police station and
told the officers concerned that it was a
case of murdei. I would like to know
what efforts were made and by whom and
m what manner and with what prompt-
ness, to ascertain the truth. Did any
senior officer visit these spots? Did he
inieirogate any people. Did he gather
any evidence and, if not, why not 7 What
was the p)ima Jtiue evidence with the
authority, as a result of which they took
it as an alleged case of encounter with the
dacoits 7 What was the prima Jaae
evidence with the authorities which
warranted a magisterial enquiry -
which was announced ? Could not
ihc pnma feme evidence in icgard to both
the versions be shifted more quickly to
ainvc at a conclusion eailicr 7 Was the
matter bi ought to the notice of senior
office! s'*

What 1 want to know is this. A judicial
enquiry has been ordered into these inci-
dents. 1 welcome the judicial enquiry.
The case is under investigation. This
matter of the alleged murder is not within
the purview of the judicial enquiry. I

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would just like to know, because a feel-
ing exists that if the whole thing had been
shifted quickly, may be the trouble could
have been avoided, 1 want to know why
it ‘ was not shifted quickly.

Another thing 1 would like to know is
this

MR SPHAKhR . In the way in which
he is them, 1 think has become

a disciple of Prof. Samar Guha. Let the
Minister answer the questions.

SHR1 K C. PANT : I have alicady said
in my statement that among the matters
which the judicial enquiry will cover is
' the adequacy of the administrative measures
taken to prevent and deal with them The
real point which my hon friend is referring
to here —the question that he asks— relates
to the possibility of the incidents having
been prevented or the possibility that it
might have been prevented had certain
actions been laken earlier. This is the
crux of the matter, and this is one of the
points which the judicial enquiry has to
go into, whether adequate admmistiative
measures were taken to prevent the inci-
dents that happened So, I would beg
of him to leave tins mailer to the judicial
cnquuy, because I cannot possibly, olT
the cuff, give a finding on the niattci which
will be looked into by the judicial enquiry.

SHR1 HKL BHAGAI ■ Secondly,
the Home Munster assured us, and anno-
unced a judicial enquiry on the floor of
the House, on the 21st and he received
compLmts to the effect that on the ?lxt,
in Baiba nagar extension, in I om Road
and in Bhawanput Khcia, a number of
innocent pet sons, men and women, were
beaten and received injuries at the hands
of the police pcisonncl, who entered into
their houses. What action has been taken?
Has any cnquuy been condueled into this,
and what action is proposed to be taken

against the persons responsible? A very
strong action is called for against those
responsible for all this.

SHRJ K.C. PANT : At this stage, if
you will allow me to make a personal re-
ference to Shi i Bhagat, I would like to say
that in these whole series of incidents,
Shri Bhagat has been very helpful in deal-
ing with the situation. (Interruption) I
w'ould like to say so because many persons
have visited this area after the incidents,
but he was there during most of the inci-
dents. [ know this because I was in touch
with him. He mentioned it, and others
also brought it to my notice that certain
incidents have taken place in Balbimagar
on the 21st, and he visited the area. Some
of our other MPs also visited the area on
that very day,— Mrs Mukul Bancrji, Mrs.
Sheila Kaul.

SHRI JYOTJRMOY BOSU: Not any
Opposition Members.

SHRI K.C PANT : I said, on the day
of the incidents As far as I know'— speak-
ing subject to correction— all the Opposi-
tion Members, except for certain Jan
Sangh people, visited the area later on.
1 am sure, they will give me names if there
are any.

As I was mentioning, these incidents
were biougut to my notice. But these
are abo within the purview of the judicial
inquiry. It is within the competence of
the judicial inquny to go mto these inci-
dents that have taken place on the 21st.
So, wc will have (o await (he result of the
inquiry to <ind out exactly where the blame
lies. •

SHRI Hkl BHAGAT : Sir, the
matter relates to niv const iiucncy. Kindly
permit me to put one oi two qucsMons
more 1 will be very brier.

MR SPL.AKFIR . We go by the rules.
Only two qustionx are allowed to him.
If 1 allow it in Ins case today, 1 will have
to do in future also

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SHRI H. K L. BfJAGAT : Only one
question.

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SHRI H. K. L. BHAGAT . The Govern-
ment has ordered a judicial inquay. There
is a feeling in the minds of the people that
if those officers against whom the comp-
plaints are made arc there, how the inquiry
will be fail. Secondly, a large number
of innocent people have been arrested
Is the Government looking into their cases?

They .should be released Is the Govern-
ment taking any action in this connec-
tion ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : My lion fuend
and my other friends whom 1 mentioned
before had taken up this matter with me
We have gone into this question. I would
like to make it perfectly clear that we
do not want to pre-judge the guilt or
otherwise of any officer It would be
very wrong on out pait to do so. But
since it has been said that it would assist
the inquiry if some of the officers arc not
there, we have removed some of the office! s
from there, the S.ll O , the S.D M , and
the S.DPO I would again emphasise
that this is neither piesumption of guilt
nor that anything has been done in connec-
tion with anything which will attribute
guilt to them. It ls only in deference to
the wishes of the hon Members who
said that it will assist the inquiry

So far as releases aie concerned, some
release have been made. We have asked
the LG. to look into Ihe^e cases and see
wherever it is not necessary to keep people
in prison, they are leleased. We would
be the first to say that they should be re-
leased Some releases have already been
made

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Oral Answers . 44

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Tim i» a question about atrocities on the pait
of Police. Kovv is that relevant lieu?
(Ini cn upturn)

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU * This is an
unprecedented police atiouiy in Delia
Theie was house-to-house i aid on 2 1st
August, two days after the happenings,
from I to 3 PM after the Minister had
nude the statement at noon here They
have cteated Frankenstein of (he Police
A beautiful cdiloual has been written in the
Indian E vines s which says that n used the
Police for political put pose*, to furlhct
their cause — the cause of the i tiling pany—
during the last elections, now r you cannot
control them, they will take liberty, etc,
etc. This is an example that we have and
we must take a lesson from that

Lven on 21st August the Police had pie-
vented people from going to the local hospi-
tal for fust aid, admission and ticatmcnt
They had gone down to that extent! There
is another problem This statement was not
ci i culaled to us .

MR SPL'AKER ■ It is a brief statement;
he has read n.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; We must
get it examined, Su, what Cock and Bull
stoiy has been given.

My questions aie these, if the hon.
Minister will make a note, on 19th and 20th

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Oral Answers 46

August, on both the days, how many were
treated in the local hospital, how many
people were admitted in the hospital, Daya-
nand Hospital, how many people were sent
out of Shahdara, because they could not
provide bed, to Irwin Hospital and places
like that, age and sex of those who were
involved, who required medical aitention
and what sort of injuries ihey had on them;
on the 2lst August, m Balbir Nagar m Gah
Nos. 4, 5 and 6 — which we visited and
where we made thorough enquiries— how
many persons were admitted in the hospital
for first aid, how many were sent out of
Shahdara for treatment in Delhi hospitals;
the numbet of poisons arrested so far from
beginning to end, how many complaints
have been received fiom people about police
atrocities, trespass, ^matching of ornaments,
wrist watches, ear-rings, etc , whether the
piemises of the policemen involved wcie
searched and if so, what aic ihe items that
were found, whethc 1 they have any infoi-
malion with rcgaid Mi. Bakshish Singh,
the police ofti.ei, whethci al any time
Government had any i casons to suspect
that he was involved in smuggling and other
anli-social activities, whethei any Minister
visited the Shahdara aiea fiom that dale till
today and if so, whal did lie see and if not,
the reasons ihcrcfoi.

Now I would put a question to you. Sir.
Would you be good enough to allow' a
full-fledged question undei rule IS 4 so that
we may undei stand the whole thing 0

SHRl K C. PANT * My hon friend has
referi ed to the action of the police in gene-
tai; he has also referred to the Indian
Express editor tal l did not know that he
was such a eaieful reader of the Indian
Express Heie is an incident which is
localised and m which a judicial inquiry
has been instituted. I do not think any
general sweeping remarks about the police
are warranted from the facts that are before
us on this incident, and whatever is the

truth, whatever are the facts, they will come
out m the judicial inquiry. I would, there-
fore, ask him to receive his judgment till
the judicial inquiry has given its findings.

About police having prevented people
from going to hospitals, nobody has brought
this to my notice so far. As I said, many
of our hon. friends were theie. In fact,
one of the members of this House told me
that *hcre was one incident in his presence
where a lady was brought out and imme-
diately the police offered. . .( Interruptions).
T cannot say ‘yes' or ‘no’ to this. If you
went there and saw it with your own eyes,
I will nat in ally accept what you say, but if
it is hearsay, you would want me to make
an inquiiy. .

SHRl JYOT1RMOY BOSU * Those who
had suffered al the hands of ihe police told
us.

SHRl K. C. PANT - I am teJIingyou
what' a membei of this House told me.
He said that the police immediately offered
to lake hei to the hospital and get her ad-
mitted I do know of a couple of other
instances also where admissions have been
given in the hospital. I cannot gi\e the
number, how many were admitted in the
Shahdaia hospital and how many outside
on the 19th or on the 21st. As I have said,
nobody brought it to my notice if there was
any pioblem in this regard, if anybody was
deliberately prevented . .( Interruptions )

SHRT JYOT1RMOY BOSU ■ He is not
giving any relevant information. This is
elementary infoimalion.

SHRl C. PANT : He asked about the
number of persons arrested. The number
of persons ariested is 126 for specific offenc-
es, and under preventive procedure 58.
Some of the persons are what go by the
name of ‘bad characters’ in the police re-
cords, and so far as other persons are con-
cerned, some have already been released,
as I have mentioned in the beginning

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AUGUST 23 ,1 972

Oral Answers 48

SHRI JYOTIRMOY $OSU : How many
complaints have been lfteived?

SHRI K. C. PANT : f do not know how
many complaints were received and by
whom. But I do know that the number of
cases registered is 20.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : People
came out and said, “My ear-ring has been
snatched away, my wrist-watch has been
snatched away ' . . .

SHRI K. C. PANT : J do not know if
anybody has complained to the police
station. Whatever information has been
given to me dirccdy by the mcmbcis, 1
have told you. So, this eovcis many ques-
tions. I do not know how many questions
you are allowing fo? a Member

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . You had
said in your wisdom the other day, ‘I shall
be liberal' Is it not a fact that 1 1 bags of
sugar 100 wrist watches and a bag of
cashewnuts were discovered from the house
of Inspector, Bakshi Singh ? This man was
indulging m smuggling activities. You
allowed this question He has no right to
sit down. Sir*’ . .(Interruptions) About
Inspector, Bakshi Singh, 1 want to know.
He is withholding the information

SHRI K. C. PANT Whether lus premis-
es were searched or not, 1 do not know’, but
his house was half burnt by the mob on one
of the days. I do not know wheihci it was
searched, but I do know that it was attempt-
ed to be burnt down and perhaps 50 \
burnt down.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU He is
witholding the infoimatior.

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : 1 am not
in the least bit anxious to obtain a ceitifi-
cate from the Minister. But, nevertheless,
to put the record straight, I did happen to
be on the scene, that is Lorn Road and
Batbir Nagar m the early afternoon of the
21st. You may recall that at about 4 30,

when I came back, I came straight to your
chamber and gave you a report of what I
had seen.

MR. SPFAKER : That is correct.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I am not
claiming any credit foi this. As it happen-
ed, 1 along with some other Members of
my Party from Delhi, was an eye-witness
to what was going on in l.oni Road, that
day 1 do not know exactly w'hat had
happened on the two previous days. I have
no eye-witness account But I am quite
sure of one thing, that on the afternoon of
the 21st, on I oni Road, on both sides of
ihc road and in Balbir Nagar, there was
nothing going on except what the Police
call, a mopping up operation We are
accustomed to seeing it in Calcutta for the
last several years. We know what it means.
Houses and shops on both sides along the
load aie broken into, everybody is dragged
out, beaten meicilessly, kept squatting on
the roadise until the Police van arrives.
Many of these 1 tell you they were just
weeping, they were in lears They were
ricksha walas, milkmen and gowalas and
some aie children. The woikmen of some
factories, of some rolling mill in Lorn Road,
were just dragged out and beaten up and
kept squatting on the road till the Police
van arrived

What I want to know is this. If I
may give you one example, for example,
there was an accident case. There was a
man who had his leg in plaster for several
weeks before His name is Jawaharlal
Mittal. He is a shop-keeper. I met him.
His address is 1439A/46, Balbir Nagar.
He could not walk because his whole leg
is in plaster. Even that man was beaten,
dragged out and arrested. Then, one Mrs.
Anthony and Mrs. Parveen Bala, these
tvvo women, weie beaten up.

One of the terms, as I understood it
from his original statement, of the judicial

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BHADRA1, \m(SAKA)

Oral Answers 50

inquiry is the allegations of excesses by
the Police. Now, what I would like to
know is that if this type of people whom
I encountered, saw and talked to on the
21st afternoon and who are probably the
most likely victims of excesses by the
Police, were arrested and kept in custody,
then how will any evidence be coming be-
fore this judicial inquiry on excesses 9
The very people who had been the tar-
gets of police exccs.es and victims of these
excesses, a laigc number of them, have
been indiscriminately rounded up and held
under the Pievcntivc Detention laws —
how aie they going to give evidence about
excesses unless they are ieleased 9 That
is what 1 would like lo know. An at-
tempt to teuorisc people into not giving
evidence was veiy much evident thcie on
the 21st. I would like to know from him
whethci in the interests ot an impartial
inquiry which he claims is going lo be
held, he will at least see that all these
innocent type of people who are being in-
discriminately lounded up and who aie m
the best position to give evidence about
these allegations of excess, will be set at
liberty so that they can freely give evi-
dence. Otheiwise, this inquiiy will be all
farce

SHRI KC. PANT. My hon Iriend
did not take the trouble of letting me
know that he had been theie on the 2 1st

SHRI 1NDRAII [ UUPT \ Why should
I? It is for your Ministry to read the
papers and give the information.

SHRI K.C. PANT: Otherwise, if he
had shown me the courtesy which friends
on my side showed me, 1 would have cei-
tainly mentioned his name. It is no

question of certificate (Inlet ruptiom )

I would have gladly done so.

His main question is with regard to the
people held under the Preventive meas-
ures of Law and whether they are innocent

or not or whether they will be set at liberty
or not. As for as my information goes, the
people who were arrested under the Pre-
ventive measures, these 58 persons, are
what are known as bad characters. The
others are under specific charges and for
specific offences and as I mentioned in
my first reply, the LG is going into it
Already some releases have been made. It
is neither our intention nor the intention
of the LG nor the intention of the admi-<
mstration certainly that anybody who may
he innocent or who might have been
rounded up because he happened to be
there, should be kept in prison. I have
already sauj that. That is going on speedi-
ly.

SHR1M \TJ SHEILA KAUL: I want to
know from the hon. Minister whether one
Sheila Devi, a Dai , and Shanti Devi are
still in the hospital, when the Opposition
Membcjs have said that no person was ad-
mitted into the hospital, and there was a
rumour that Sheila Devi had died, but
when 1 went to convey my condolences,
she was alive.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE: Who said
that 9

SMRI K C. PANT I mentioned that
some persons arc in the hospital. It is
in my knowledge and I did hear this
ru moii i at one stage and I have also
checked it up, and I am glad to report that
she is alive. In fact there have been
many occasions when things tended to
become peaceful and some rumour or the
other had been started and this was res-
ponsible for recyrrence of many of the
incidents. I would appeal to the people
of that area to beware of rutnour-monger-
mg of this kind which is indulged in by
persons who are interested in seeing that
the strife is kept up.

SHRI SEZH1VAN: Till the 21st and
22nd August, right from the time of shoot-
ing of Onkar Singh on the 18th, first reports

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Oral Answers 52

m the Press gave out that the police offi-
cials were in search and also in pursuit of
a dacoit, and when he was strying to es-
cape, the deceased Onkar Singh was re-
ported to have been shot dead. I want
to know from the hon. Minister whether
the Police Officials had the opportunity to
settle their personal disputes by resorting
to such anti-dacoit operations and, if so,
what steps the Government is thinking of
to stop all such misuse of powers bv the
Police in the name of anti-dacoit opeia-
tions?

SHRI K. C. PANT: As fai as l am
aware, the FIR that was filed said that
these persons had fired on three persons m
the Police Party and, therefoie, they had
retaliated. The whole things, are being
inquired into. I do not want to go into
detail. Obviously, if anything wiong has
been done, the guilty will be punished

SHRI N. K. SANG HI* \Vhat happened
in Shahdara is really lamentable and tlieic
is no doubt that the Police had failed in
its intelligence, in its strategy and lcadei-
ship. Howevei, I would like to know
from the Ministei if he would infoim the
House as to whether any curfew was im-
posed on the 19th, 20th and 21st.

If so, for how many hours the curfew
was imposed 9 If no curfew was imposed
to deal with such a seiious situation, why
was it not imposed? The situation was to
very bad and such a serious thing had
happened, and so why was it not imposed
beforehand 9 Has he got any information
that the deceased Onkar Singh is a distant
relation of an erstwhile political leader of
U.P.?

SHRI K. C. PANT: About the second
part, I have no information; so fai as the
first pait is concerned, curfew was not im-
posed either on the 19th or on the 20th
or on the 21st. Sec. 144 was piomulgated
on the 19th and these decisions lie with
local officers on the spot. It is very diffi-
cult for me to substitute my own judgment

in the matter. But since he has asked
me a question the only reason that I can
think of for not imposing the curfew is
that even Sec. 144 was not being obeyed.
There was an assembly of persons in large
numbers; mobs had collected; rioting was
going on; heavy stone-throwing was going
on; jeeps were burnt; some vehicles were
burnt, traffic was suspended on the G.T.
road, rail link was suspended; sleepers were
1,1,1 nt; all these things took place during
that penod The imposition of curfew
would have meant the use of additional
foice and a more seiious situation could
have arisen where firing would have had
to be resorted to and so on.

Sir, I don’t want to be misunderstood.

I am not interested in ‘white-washing’ any-
thing, I am not holding a brief for the
police in this matter. The D.C. and the
DI(i were present and then mam con-
side, ation Ihioughont had been that this
whole mattei should be dealt with, with
as much restraint as possible.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Oral Answers 56

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Why are you escaping your icsponsi-
bility? I have risen on a point of order.
Whenever it comes to a Minister, our
observations are not allowed and when
any hon. Member, rises on a point of
ordei, there is no observation from the
Chair.

MR SPhAKF.R: Let him kindly listen
to me. I had asked the hon. Minister to
get up and explain. But meanwhile the
hon. Member had got up

SHRl SHYAMNADAN M1SHRA :
What explanation was he giving? The
observation was to be made by you on the

vide Col. No

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BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAX A)

Oral Ansn ers 58

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MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing this
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59 Om/ Answers 1

AVGUST 25, 1972

Gr$l Answers 60

SHRI SEZH1YAN :\l am not able to
follow what is going on. Shri Shyamnan-
dan Mishra had used some word and you
had said that it was unparliamentary.
What does it mean in English?

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Oral Answers 62

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SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY : Be-
fore I put my questions, t want to record
my utter disappointment and distress at the
ruling party’s conduct m distracting public
opinion from the medieval barbarities com-
mitted (Intel ruptions). They have imported
diversionary tactics to draw attention away
from these medieval barbarities. They must
be ashamed of it

In this background, I will ask two ques-
tions (a) Whether the police force went on
the rampage without the guidance of res-
ponsible senior police officers ? If so,
what was the total strength of policemen
and the police officers? (b) Whether Govern-
ment have got crowd control guidelines for
the police? If so, will the Minister lay a copy
of it on the Tabic?

SHRl K C PANT : l am disappmted
at my hon friend's thinking that there ate
anv diversionary lucucs on the part of
Government I would lemind him that we
came befoie the Mouse with a suo moto
statement saying that wc would institute
a judicial inquiry into the incident, with-
out anv kind of demand arising or request
Having been made that this course should
be followed. So it is very unfair on the

AUGUST 23, J972

Oral Answers 64

63 Oral Antwerp

part of my hon. frieittf to say that we have
been indulging in 'diversionary tactics.

SHRI SURENDJRA MOHANTV 1
said on the floor of the House.

SHRI K. C, PANT : The statement was
made suo moto on the floor of the House.

So Far as the police being there with senior
police officers is concerned, i indicated that
most of the time— as far as I know— the
DIG himself was there, a number of SPs
were there and DSPs were there Theie was
no question of the police force being let
loose without senior police officers being
there.

As for guidelines. I do not know what
guidelines he means. Oidinanly, it is ex-
pected that police officials Will deal with
situations with restraint, and whorevei such
situations arise, they should deal with
them with as much restraint as possible
But it will help m maintaining their res-
traint if hon friends, who ve»> oiten rightly
stress on the welfare aspect of police pei-
sonnel etc. on this occasion also see that
while excesses may be committed b> a few
policemen which we all condemn, there ate
several others who are only acting becau e
they are ordered to do so and requned 10
do so m a situation where law and order
is broken, where innocent people will suffer
if the police does not act. So in that situa-
tion, if the police act and many of them get
injured, on human considerations a few
words from hon. friends opposite of sym-
pathy for the policemen who have also
been injured will help in creating the kind
of morale which will help them to maintain
restraint.

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SHRI D1NESH CHANDRA GOSWAMf:
In regard to these enquiries, it has been
our experience that the police is represented
by official counsels, but there is nobody to
represent the public, and as a result the pub-
lic version docs not come out truly. In
view' of this aspect, will the Government
consider the question of engaging a coun-
sel to represent the version of the public in
this enquiry ?

SHRI K C PANT : I cannot say off-
hand, and 1 cannot, at this stage, reveal
what some hon friends told me m private
and it would not be fair on my part; I be-
lieve that some people arc applying then
mind to this problem.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA
As the House knows, a large number of
complaints ha\e been vo’ced from time to
time against the Delhi Police Perhaps in
no place so many complaints against the
local police have been voiced as in 1 he case
of the Delhi Police The Police Commission
had made a recommendation for a thorough
oveihaul of the police administration here.
What does the Government propose to do
in this regard 7 That is one question to which
I would like to gel an answer.

Connected with this, so many stories have
appeared in the newspapers, We have also
seen some of the pictures of the most horri-
fying type appearing in the newspapers,
pictures of women and children falling flat
on their faces because of the heinous atroci-
ties perpetrated upon them by the police.
Would the hon. Minister tell us how many
women and children happen to be in jail at
the present moment, and how many of them
happen to be injured very badly?

05 Oral Answm

BHA 0 RA 1 , 1894 (SAKA)

Oral A/mm 06

Since the hon. Minister was pleased to
say, three officers have been shifted, trans-
ferred, to assist the course of justice, would
he also take us into confidence and say
whether, in view of the fact that many seri-
ous allegations against other officers also
were made, those officers would also be
transferred from the places which they are
occupying at the present moment?

SHRI K. C. PANT : I would again like
to make it perfectly clear that these officers
have not been shifted because of any allega-
tion against them. The Lt -Governor, tak-
ing a total view of the situation, in consulta-
tion with us, thought that it would be better
to transfer them. Since emotions were rais-
ed, we did not want to deal with the
situation m a wooden manner, and we
thought it would be better in those cases —
it is not a precedent — to do this. Many
of our hon friends on this side of the
House who have been there suggested this
course It is the totality of circumstances,
neither allegation nor pressure which has
led us to the conclusion that it would be
desirable for these people to be transferred.
There is no question of allegation

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA ;
Have mnocencnt persons been transferred,
who had nothing to do — {Inten upturns) ?

SHRI K. C. PANT : It is impossible to
carry on a dialogue [ have understood
his question. There is no question of any
penal a- tion being involved in the transfer
1 would like to make it perfectly clear I
cannot prejudge their innocence or guilt.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
On what basis?

SHRI K.C. PANT : I have said it. I can
only explain. I cannot make you under-
stand.

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SHRI K. C. PANT : Sir, so far as the
main point is concerned, about the recom-
mendations of the Police Commission" and
the action taken by the Government, I may
say that this matter has been discussed in
the House also. Questions have been asked
and answers given, but on this occasion,
since a specific question has been pul, if you
will bear with me, I would like to mention
the various measures that have been taken.
The Khosla Commission was appointed in
1966, and I think in 1968 it gave a report.
Its terms of reference covered the measures
necessary to promote efficiency and welfare
of the police.

The strength of the police has been in-
creased as a result of the Commission's
recommendations. Rules of recruitment
and promotion are being revised. The
field of recruitment has been extended. A
senior psychologist has been appointed to
test the suitability of the recruits in the
context of the present-day requirements of
the police force. A Police training school
has been set tip, and institutional and prac-
tical training recommended by the Com-
mission to leorient the outlook of the police
force to meet the requirements of the demo-
cratic set-up is being imparted in the school.

In-scrvice educational training is also
given in the school. As a long-term mea-
sure, the Government have set up fit com-
mittee on police training with Professor
M. S. Goray as Chairman of the Committee
which is examining the objectives which
should govern the police training, the pre-
sent short-comings and measures to improve
the existing slate of affairs. The Committee
will examine the question of the police train-
ing in the socio-economic background of
the country and our system and the conti-
nued impact of science and technology.

AUGUST 23, Wi

Oral Answers <88

87 Ortitl Answer^

cultural, social and % ttorms of behaviour
and help the methodology of the Govern-
ment and its functionaries.

In addition to that f a substantial addition
has hpen made to the vehicles and equip-
ment of Delhi Police* Then, a police con-
trol room has been set up and the crime
branch has peen strengthened. I am only
mentioning some of the measures. Various
steps have been taken to improve the wel-
fare and of the personnel of the Delhi
Police m accordance with the advice of the
Commission. There is an upward revision
in the total emoluments m regard to the
staff of the Delhi Police and the higher
special pay and allowances. The construc-
tion of the building of the police barracks
is being taken up as a crash programme.
They have been included in the Central
Government Health Scheme. Cantecn-cww-
recreation rooms have been provided in all
police statations, and it is sought to provide
playground and family welfare centres and
so on. I can give a long list. ( Interruption ).
This is a specific question that has been put
to me, and 1 am giving the answer

SHR1 SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA • 1
wanted to know the number of women and
children who lay mujured at the mnmcni
and who arc behind the prison bar*

SHRI K C PANT : For that, 1 will re-
quire notice.

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Sir, the people
of Delhi are shocked and ashamed at the
ugly incidents which have occurred at
Shahdara and the action taken by the police.
It is a matter of regret that soft-toning of
the party is sought to be brought into the
matter and the other technical matters are
brought into the whole issue The whole
issue is diverted Thousands of people of
Shahdara are looking to us as to how we
are going to tackle the problem; they are
suffering through the happenings just a few
days before.

[ want to know from the hon. Minister
the principal nature of the wounds of the
police officials as well as those of the public
How many of them are still in hospital.
Secondly, L want to know whether a senior
officer would be deputed to see that no
persons other than sextrcnic criminals are
kept inside the jail, so that, as my friend
Shn Indrajit Gupta, said, the evidence of
the persons can be taken, and so that the
enquiry can be expedited. Thirdly, I want
to know why the Central Minister delay-
ed so much the visit, in relation
to the incidents in Shahdara, visiting,
etc , especially when the whole incident
happened undei the very nose of the Delhi
Administration.

SHRI K C PANT . Sir, 1 cannot possibly
be expected to know the exact nature of the
wounds on the 287 persons. They are a
large number. For this, I certainly would
require notice, if at all it is necessary to
have this information.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I only want to
know the nature of the atrocities committed
by the police. I do not want to know the
details — each and every person.

SHRI K C. PANT : All this will come
under the enquiry. As far as the second
question is concerned, he has answered it
hmiself I said, m response to Shri Bhagat
and Shri Indrajit Gupta that innocent per-
sons will be released.

Owl Answers

BHADftA* 1, 1SI94 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 10

SHRI SAMAR GUHA ; Whether one
senior officer will be deputed to supervise
the issue of release so that nobody is debar-
red from appearing before the Inquiry?

SHRI K. C. PANT : I do not know
what he means by “senior officer”. As I
said, the I..G. was looking into the matter.

I have forgotten his third question

MR. SPEAKER There was no third
question.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA . Why the Central
Minister delayed so much to visit the place.

MR. SPEAKER : Yes.

SHRI K. C PANT : He was so brief
that 1 forgot it.

MR. SPFAKER : 1 am myself surprised.

SHRI K. C PANT : This has to be judg-
ed m the context of what would be useful
or not. Wc were certainly in touch with
the situation. Wc wuc doing whatever we
thought was necessary. If any one of us
felt that the visit would have helped, wc
would have certainly viMted the place

MR SPEAKER : Now, enough time has
been taken. 1 have allowed the Members
belonging to all the parties to put supple-
mentary. This is the iccord time, H hours
I have allowed to a Question. I think, I
committed a mistake; J should have allowed
a Call Attention Notice. {Jnterruptums )

SOME HON. MEMBERS /w—

MR. SPEAKFR : 1 am sorry. How can I
accommodate all of you. We have already
taken li hours on 11 . . .{Interruptions) I
have to pass on from this side to that side.
They are more than tw'ice on that side. .
{Interruptions) I stick to time, I go by the
allocation of time for everything. , . .( Inter-
ruptions ).

- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE Hatf an hour
was lost on that word.

MR. SPEAKER : that wbrd or' the
English equivalent that 1 was wad Will hot
form part of the record.

. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : A pef^m. who
knows Urdu language will never use such a
word.

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71 Oral Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Ora i Answers 72

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73 Oral Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 74

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SHR I MADHURYYA HALDAR : Some
members of this House have been complain-
ing that ihey have heard at Shahdara from
the people of that area that police had
snatched away their radios, wrist watches,
necklaces, ear-rings, etc. May 1 know
whether Government have carried out any
search into the houses of those policemen
on duty at that place and whether they have
found any articles as reported to have been
stolen by the police, and if not, whether he
will order an immediate search into the
houses of the policemen who were on duty
on those days at Shahdara?

SHR1 K. C. PANT : As far as 1 know, no
specific complaint against any policeman has
been made. J enquired yesterday; I did not
come across any specific complaint against
any specific policeman. On what basis
does one institute a search or an enquiry
of this kind? I have not quite understood the
purpose of the question. You cannot go on
searching the house of every policeman. This
is difficult.

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Only
innocent people became victims. Three peo-
ple were killed on account of police firing.

Naturally the Government must be held
responsible for that. I would ask the
Government whether it would come forward
to give a substantial amount as compensation
to the families of the deceased potions.

SHRI K. C. PANT ; Innocent people do
suffer in police firing, whether it is Delhi or
Tamil Nadu. It is a fact. But, in this casc»
luckily, there was no police firing.

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ; Our horn
Minister referred to Tamil Nadu, that firing
look place m Tamil Nadu. But we gave
compensation to the families of 15 deceased
people. I want to know whether Govecnr
ment would follow the same principle.

MR. SPEAKER : Do not ask hypothetical
questions.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL-
DER : I visited that place. I want to put two
questions. The first is whether Shrimati
Shiela Devi was beaten by CRP men while
she was trying to save her husband; it is
understood that CRP men entered her room
breaking the doors and windows and snatch-
ed away her necklace and ear-rings; Shri-
mati Shiela Dovi was admitted to the Daya-
nand Hospital with severe head injuries.
And is it also a fact that, due to serious beat-
ing by CRP men, she has lost her speaking
power? #

The other question that I want to ask is
whether one bag of cashewnut, six bags of
sugar, six fans, five transistor sets and two
radio sets were recovered from the house of
the ASI, Shri Bhakshish Singh, and whether

all these were smuggled goods.

SHRI K. C. PANT : So far as the first
question goes, 1 find myself in some diffi-
culty. If J give an answer according to the
information with me, it would be a factua
answer, but it may not be to the liking o
my hon. friend. And in view of the judi
cial inquiry, 1 would seek your guidance,
Sir whether 1 should answer these questions

75 Oral Answers JAUCrUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 76

He is asking me pointedly whether fhe CRP
men,

MR. SPEAKER . Vbu can give the factual
information.

SHRI K. C. PANT : 1 had made enquiries
yesterday. According to the information
with me, the CRP men did not beat up the
lady whom he referred, the CRP men did
not go into her house. This is the information
with me

So far as any recovery being made from
that house is concerned, a question was put
earlier also; I am not aware of this fact.

MR. SPEAKER : The Short Notice
Question is over now.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; Are you
allowing a short discussion. Sir ? 1 have
shown you the letter written by the Prime
Minister. They have no objection to hold-
ing a debate on this

MR. SPEAKER ■ I am not bound by that .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am not
saying (hat,4>ir.

MR. SPEAKER : This Short Notice Ques-
tion was rather unprecedented. Normal! t l
would not have allowed more than ten
minutes for a Short Notice Question We
have taken moie than H hours It would
have been much better if I had accepted a
short-duration-discussion. The time that
we have taken now has been more than that
Four call-attention motions could have been
accommodated during this period I must
say that I commend the patience of the hon
Minister

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A lot re-
mains to be said. . .

MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will form part
of the record. Every time you get up and
start speaking.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : *

•Not Recorded.

MR. SPEAKER: I have heard Ih at the
gentlemen who are on duty at the martyrs*
flame keep standing attention only for two
hours and then they return for 24 hours.
But here we not only keep standing atten-
tion but also under tension. You do not have
any sympathy for us — Speaker and others!

WRITTEN ANSWER TO QUESTIONS

Projects set Up In Orissa during
Fourth Plan

*321. SHRI G1RIDHAR GOMANGO :
Will the Minister of PLANNING he plea
sed to state

(a) whether the projects set up in Orissa
during the Fouth Plan period have not
been completed and aie not likely to be
completed,

(b) if so, the nanus of the projects not
completed and the new projects likely to
be taken up in the Fifth Five Yeai Plan;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATF IN THE
MINISTRY OF PI ANN1NG (SHRI MO-
HAN DHARIA) (a) and (b). The infor-
mation regarding Fourth Plan projects
not yet completed and not likely to be
completed during the Plan period is avail-
able with the State Government which
have been requested to furnish the same.
After such information is received fiom
the State Government, it will be laid on
the Table of the House. As regaids Fifth
Five Ytar Plan, the Planning Commission
has yet to take a view in Consultation with
the appropriate authoi ilics on the Approach
to the Fifth Plan, the total resource which
is likely to be available for financing the
Plan and other related matters. It is
too early to indicate which projects arc
likely to be taken up in the Fifth Five Year
Plan

5 77

Orel Answers

BHADRA1, im(SAKA)

Written Answers 78

consideration was given to the special
problems add relative economic backward-
ness of Orissa. It cannot therefor be said
that Orissa did not receive a just treatment
in the Foutrh Five Year Plan.

Demonstration Plant for Sterilising
Medical Products being set up
at Trombay

*323. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO-
DKAR . Will the Minister of ATOMIC
ENERGY be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarrcd Question No. 559 on
2nd August, 1972, regarding Plant for
Sterilising Medical Products through Irra-
diation and state whether this Plant was
set up with assistance of United Nations
Development Programme t}

THE PRIME MINISTER, M1N1STLR
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI
INDIRA GANDHI) : Yes, Sir A demons-
tration plant for madution sterilisation
of medical products is being set up at
Tiombay with the assistance of the United
Nations Development Programme

Entry of Foreigners in Assam

*325. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR Will
the Ministei of HOME AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Ministry has issued any
order saymg that the arrival or presence
of any foreigner in Assam has to be reported
to the police;

(b) if so, the main points of the order
issued; and

THE- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K. C. PANT) : (a) Yes, Sir; the Order

applies not only to the State of Assam but. >
to the entire eountry.

(b) The Order requires every house*
holder or other person to report tQ the
nearest police station about the arrival
and presence in his house-hold or in
premises kept by him or under his control,
of any froigner, if he knows or has reason
to believe that he is a foreigner.

Commission for suggesting location
for Industrial Units

*326 KUMARI KAMLA KUMAR1 :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) Whethei Government issue licences to
Tatas, Birlas and Sahu-Jain for starting new
in dustrial units and the location of Indus-
trial Unit is decided by the licensees;

(b) whether Government propossc to
establish a Commission for ‘uggesting
the location of new industrial units in such
cases; and

(c> if not, the reasons therefor :

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) to (c). The Government's
policy in regard to location of industrial
units licensed under the Industries (De-
velopment & Regulation) Act, is common
to all licenses. Applicants for industrial
licences are required to give, in their appli-
cations, the proposed location of their
industrial undertakings. Uhless Govern-
ment consider that a change in location
is necessary, the location of the industrial
undertakings is allowed as applied for v
while issuing the letters of intent or licences.
After a licence is issued indicating a specific
location, changes can be made only if

79 Written Answer#

AUGUST 23,1972

Written Answers 80

ttio Government approVbs. In considering
applications for such changes of location,
the views of the State Governments con-
cerned arc taken into account.

The grant of industrial licences to Larger
Industrial Houses including those mentioned
by the Honourable Member is governed
by the overall Industrial Licensing Policy.
These Houses are expected to engage
themselves primarily in the core and heavy
investment sectors, leaving the opportu-
nities in the other sectors to smaller entre-
preneurs. The general policy in regard
to the location of indutrial undertakings
is itself adequate to cover the location of
industries by Larger Industrial Houses
also. There seems therefore, no need to
establish a Commission for this purpose
at this stage.

Punishment to Newspaper Publishers for
non-submission of Annual Statements under
Press and Registration of Books Act, 1867

*329. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the
nature of punishment awarded to 63
newspaper publishers against whom prose-
cution cases were instituted by the Regis-
trar for the non-submission of Annual
Statements in terms of Section 19K of the
Press and Registration of Books Act, 1867
and which have since been disposed of
as mentioned at page 100 of the Annual
Report of the Ministry for 1971-72 ?

THE MINISTER OF 'STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI l K. GUJRAL)
In 46 cases the publishers were fined,
the fine amount varying from Rs. 10/- to
Rs. 50/-. Three publishers were merely
warned. The remaining 14 cases were
fifed by the Court as the persons concerned
were not traceable.

Central Assistance to Khadi and Village
Industries Commission.

*330. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the total amount of financial assis-
tance given to the Khadi and Village Indus-
tries Commission by the Centre since its
inception;

(b) whether Government have reviewed
the working of the Commission; and

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) The total amount of the
financial assistance given to the Khadi
and Village Industries Commission, Bombay
since its inception by the Government of
India is as under :

Khadi

Village

(Rs. in

Indust-

crores)

ries

Total

1. Grants

149.39

44.65

194.04

. Loans

67 16

30.68

97.84

Total :

216.55

75.33

291.88

(b) and (c). The working of the Com-
mission! was last reviewed by the Asoka
Mehta Committee. The recommenda-
tions made by the Committee are under con-
sideration of the Government.

Names of first Thirty persons receiving maxi-
mum Honorarium under 'Spot Light 9 and
'Talk 9 programmes of A.I.R.

*331. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to

81 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 92

state the names of the first 30 persons to*
gether with their professions who have re-
ceived the maximum amount of honorarium,
indicating the amount received by each
one separately, for participation in the
English Programmes ‘Spot Light' and ‘Talks'
of the All India Radio during the last one
year ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI I K.GUJRAL):
Statements giving the names and pro-
fessions of the first thirty persons who were
paid the maximum amount of honoranum
during 1971 for taking part in (1) “Spot
Light” programme, and (2) “Talks” on All
India Radio, aie laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library See No.
LT3480/72]

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Shifting of Salt Commissioner's Office from
Jaipur to Gujarat

*337. SHRI VEKARIA ; Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Gujarat Government and a
number of Commerce Institutions of Guja-
rat have demanded shifting of Salt Com-
missioner’s office from Jaipur to Gujarat ;
and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Central
Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE

AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C.

SUBRAMANIAM) : (a) Requests

for locating the Office of the Salt

Commissioner at Ahmedabad and Kandla

have been received in the past from the
*

Government of Gujarat and the Kandla
Port Trust, respectively.

(b) For the efficient discharge of the
functions vesting in the Salt Commissioner,
it is considered necessary that the Salt
Commissioner's Office should be retained
in a central Place like Jaipur.

83 Written Answers

AUGUST 23* 1972

Written Answers 84

Setting up of Industries in Backward Areas

*338. SHRI B. V, NAIK : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred question No. 1485 on
the 9th August, 1972 regarding the setting
up of industries in backward areas and
state :

(a) the amount of capital invested so far
in the industries set up tn the backward
areas ; and

(b) the amount of financial assistance pro-
vided to them by the nationalised banks
till now 7

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY(SHRI C. SUBRAMANI-
AM): (a) : The total fixed capital invest-
ment involved in the 62 units mentioned in
the reply to the question under reference
is Rs. 98,76,910/-.

(b) The amount of capital so far inves-
ted and the financial assistance obtained
from the Nationalised Bank could not be
determined at this stage

Legislation to Prohibit Religious con-
versions

*339. SHRI P. M. MEHTA

SHRI K LAKKAPPA

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether some States have introduced
legislation to prohibit religious conversion
by force ; and

(b) if so, how many States have passed
such legislation and whether Union Govern-
ment also propose to bring such a legis-
lation ?

THE M|NISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND

IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) According to information available,
laws have been enacted in the States of
Madhya Pradesh and Orissa to provide for
prohibition of conversion from one religion
to another by the use of force or inducement
or by fraudulent means. No such laws
have been enacted m Himachal Pradesh,
Mysore and Manipur information in
respect of the remaining States is being col-
lected and will be laid on the Table of the
House. Central Government have no pro-
posal to undertake legislation on the sub-
ject

Robbery Committed on Employees of
Delhi Co-operative Bank Daryaganj, Delhi
in June, 1972

*340. SHRI HAR1 SINGH : Will the
Minister of HOME Ab FAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government arc aware of
the broad day robbery of Rs 20,000 commit-
ted on three employees of the Daryaganj
Branch, of the Delhi Cooperative Bank on
12th June, 1972 in Civil Lines, Delhi ;
and

(b) if so, the steps Government are taking
to arrest the culprits 9

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME
AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) :
(a) Yes Sir. The amount involved was
Rs. 20,100 /- and the three persons robbed
were a cashier and two office bearers of the
Delhi Joint Water and Sewage Board Cor-
poration Thrift and Credit Society Ltd.

(b) All efforts are being made to arrest
the culprits.

$5 Written Answers

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Written Answers 86

taW and Small Scale Industries in
Madhya Pradesh

3180. SHRJ MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of INDUST-
RIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the total number of large-scale and
small scale industries established during
the Fourth Five Year Plan in Madhya
Pradesh :

(b) the total number of persons employed
m them, separately; and

(c) the capital invested in both the sectors
(Private and Public) during the last three
years and the amount proposed to be in-
vested, for the remaining period of the
plan ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY 01- INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). In the Central Sector,
Korba Aluminium project of the Bharat
Aluminium Company Limited (in Bilaspur
District), the Madhar project of the Cement
Corporation of India Limited (in Raipur
Distnct) and the Bailadila No 5 Project
of the National Mineral and Development
Corporation (in Bastai Distnct) have been
set up so far in the State of Madhya Pradesh
during the course of Fourth Five Yeai Plan

In the Private Sector, the number of
Industrial licences and Letters of Intent
issued, during the last three years in respect
of the State of Madhya Pradesh are as
given below

Year

No. of

licences

letters of

issued

intent is-
sued

1969

1970

1971

1972 (upto 30*6-72)

Information, however, is not available as
to how many of these industrial units have
actually been established or the number of
persons employed in them. A provision
of Rs. 150.5 crorcs has been included in the
4th Plan for setting up/completion of Central
Industrial Projects in Madhya Pradesh. De-
tails regarding investment during the last
3 years in industries set up in the private sec-
tor (including both large scale and small
scale industries) arc not available

Grades of pay for teachers in Grih Kalyan
Kendra

3181. SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTR1 :
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state '

(a) vshelhei there are no fixed grades of
pay foi teachers (tailoring, embroidery and
Music), in Grih Kalyan Kendra while there
are fixed grades for leachers in the Depart-
ment of Social Welfare, Directorate of
t ducat ion where teachers have the same
qualifications and the same working hours ;
if so, the reasons thciefor,

(b) whether the grant sanctioned for
teachers is being diver f cd to other spheres
or activities of GKK. re. Creches etc. ;
if so. the reasons therefor ;

(d) whether a representation has been
made m this regard through the President of
India; if so, what action has been taken
thereon 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF EIOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA):
(a) The teachers of Grih Kalyan Kendra
which is a registered society are paid honora-
■ num varying from Rs. 75/- io Rs. 252/- in

87 Written AmwQs AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 88

stead of salaries, depending on qualifica-
tions/cxperience and hours of work varying
from two to four hours.

The teachers of the Department of Social
Welfare and Directorate of Education are
Government employees and as such receive
all the facilities and pay and allowances as
admissible to Government employees.

(b) and (c). No Sir. A statement show-
ing the budget estimates and amount sanc-
tioned during 1970-71 and 1971-72 and the
amount spent during that period is
laid on the Table of the house, [placed
in Library . See No . LT 3481/72]

(d) No Sir. Representation from Prime
Minister’s Secretariat has however been
received which is under active considera-
tion.

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Cement Factory Bokajan, Assam

3184. SHR1 ROBIN KAKOT1 : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the progress made so far in the propos-
ed Bokajan Cement Factory m Assam ;

(b) the total number of persons in all
categories of sei vices appointed so far ;
and

(c) the names of agents and contractors
appointed so far, for various works for
supply of various kinds of raw materials,
transport and construction works ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI S1DDHF.SHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) The progress on various
works in the proposed Bokajan cement
factory is as under

(i) Plant structures and foundations —
The works on various foundations

89 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894

Written Answers 90

And structures is in progress. Approxi-
mately payment of Rs. 20.5 lakhs has
been made. The physical progress
achieved upto July, 1972 is approxi-
mately 16%. In addition procure-
ment of cement, steel and other con-
struction materials has also been
made for continuing the work.

(ii) Township and ancillary buildings
This work is divided into two phases.
Approximately 90% progress has
been achieved on phase 1 buildings
which are required in the first instance.
The financial progress ending July,
1972 is approximately Rs. 21.0 lakhs.

(iii) Other facilities : — The work of

water supply, railway siding and

sewage disposal etc. is well in pro-
gress.

(iv) Works at quarry : — The construe*
tion of approach road and temporary
accommodation is in progress.

(b) The position is as under ; —

(0 Total number of officers and staff
posted at Bokajan— -71.

(ii) Number of staff transferred from
ofhei projects out of above 71 is 35.

(ui) Number of staff recruited at
Bokajan — 36.

(iv) -Number of Assamese employed-30.

Name of work

(i) Construction of godowns, camp
office, field hostel etc.

(ii) Internal elect nficat ion of above
buildings

(m) Township and ancillary buildings.
<iv) Plant foundation and structuies.

(\> Water supply treatment works.

(vi) Earth work on quarry approach road

(vii) Construction of culverts on quarry
approach road.

(viii) Laying water supply main from rive;
kagna to factory site.

Contractor

M/s. Woodland Corporation P.O Khatkhoti
Distt. Mikir Hills, Assam.

M/s. Assam Electrical & Mechanical Agency
Jorha\ Assam.

Shri Sohan Smgh, Government Conti ac-
toi, Dimapur, Nagaland.

M ; s. Gannon Dunkerley & Co., Engineers
& Contractor, 25 A, Netaji Subhas Road,
P.B. No. 2392, Calcutta-1.

M/s. Patterson Engineering Co. (India) Ltd.,
2S. Chittaranjan Avenue, (G.P.O. Box
680) Calcutta- 12.

(») M/s. ( Woodland Coiporation P.O. Khat-
khoti, Disti Mikir Hills, Assam.

(u) Shri R. Das Gupta, Railway Contrac-
tor, Lumding P.O Assam.

Shu D N. Singh, Contractor, Camp Boka-
jan, Mikir Hills, Assam.

M/s, K. Biswas, Government Contactor
and Supplier, Dimapur, Nagaland. •

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers . 92

91 Written Answers

Lsl J

(ix) Transportation of materials.

(x) Internal electrification of township
and o f her buildings.

(xi) Removal of overburden at quarry

(i) M/s. Woodland Corporation P.O.
Khatkhoti, Distt. Mikii Hills, Assam.

(ii) M/s, Bhowmic Transport Corporation
Govt. Contractor & Order Supplier,
Tinsukia, Assam.

M/s. Mahindra Chalia, Chalia Electrical
Stores, golaghat, Assam.

M/s. Pasari Bros., P.O. Duliajan, Distt.
Lakhimpur, Assam.

Change in the Administrative
set up

3186. SHRIS D. SOMASUNDARAM:
Will the PRrME MINI STER be pleased
state :

(a) whether she had stated in the course
of her convocation address at Roorkec
in November 1967 that the brightest of
our youngmen and women choose Engi-
neering and Medicine and that, if they
happen to go into Government they are
very soon over-taken by the General Ad-
ministrator and this must change,

(b) if so, the specific steps taken by her
since November, 1967 till today to change
the situation; and

(c) whether the dispart ies between
Engineers and Doctors on the one hand
and general administrators on the other
has been reduced in any way during these
years; if not, the steps being taken to narrow
the gap ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL : (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA)

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). The above obsenation
of the Prime Minister was brought to the
notice of the Administrative Reforms
Commission which was then examining
Personnel Administration in Government.

The Administrative Reforms Commission
in its Report on Personnel Administra-
tion made some recommendations on
entry into the middle and senior management
levels, in the Central Secretariat, from
all Services. These arc under conside-
ration of Government. The Adminis-
trative Reforms Commission abo sugges-
ted a unified grading structure, providing
equal pay for work of equal responsibility
and difficulty. Government is awaiting
the views of the Pay Commission on the
subject.

Proposal for T.V. Stations at Trivandrum
and Cochin

3188. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state

(a) whether there is any proposal to
introduce Television Centres at Trivan-
drum and Cochin , and

(b) if so, the outlines thereof and the
time by which it is expected to be intro-
duced?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) (a) and (b). TV stations are
proposed to be set up in various Centres
of the country m accordance with a phased
programme. The question of setting up
a TV Station in Kerala will be considered

93 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 94

while formulating proposals for the Fifth
Plan.

Industries in Assam

3189. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) the number of small. Medium and
Large Scale Industries in Assam, the items
manufactured by them and the imported
raw materials allotted rest actively to these
industries during the last throe years;

(b) the investments made by these in*
dustries;

(d) total value of finished goods produ-
ced by these industries during the last three
years ; and

(e) how many industries have their Head
Offices within Assam State and the num-
ber out Oi them which have head officers
outside Assam 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) (a) to (c) : The information is being
collected and will be placed on the Table
of the House.

Approval of foreign collaboration in Assam
Industries

3190. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI: Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state the names
of private firms and public undertakings
in Assam, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur,
Tripura States and Union Territories of
Mizoram and Arunachal, whose colla-
boration with foreign firms have been
approved during the last three years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) :
Three proposals of collaboration between
Indian and foreign parties, as detailed be-
low, were approved during the last three
years. The information is according
to the addresses of the Indian parties as
given in the approval letters.

S. Name of
No. the

Indian
Company

Name of
foreign col-
laborator

Item of
manufacture

1. M/s Assam

M/s Maru-

Menthanol,

State Indus-

beni Iida

formaldehyde

trial Corpo-

Co. Ltd ,

glue, forma-

ration, Shil-

Japan.

lin and U.F.

long.

moulding

power.

2. M/s Ashok

M/sJOGEE Consultancy

Paper Mills

France.

Service for

Ltd., C/o

manufacture

Director of

of Pulp and

Industries,

Paper/specia*

Assam,

Shillong.

lity paper.

3 Assam In-

M/s. Schan-

Schanzlin

dusti lal Deve-

• zlm Mec-

Power tillers.

lopment Cor-

hmenabrik

poration

GmbH,

Ltd., Shil-

West

long- 1.

Germany.

, Price of Industrial Raw Material

319. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether the prices of building mate-
rials and industrial raw materials have been
rising abnormally during the last three
months;

95 Written Answers y

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 96

(b) if so, present level of prices of build'
iqg 'materials and industrial raw materials,
as compared to that in the last three years
and the percentage of rise of prices during
the last three months;

(c) whether this percentage of rise of
prices is higher in the North-Eastern States
of Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya etc. than
in the rest of India ; and

(d) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) and (b). All India whole
sale Price Index Numbeis of selected build-
ing materials and of Industrial raw mater-
ials during the last three months and in
the last three years are laid on the Table
of the House. [Placed in Library, See
No. LT-3482/72]

Applications for opening post offices, sub-
post offices and public call installations in
Assam

3192. SHRI ROBIN KAKOT1 ■ Will
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state :

.(a) the number of applications pending
with Government for opening (a) Post
Offices in rural areas (b) Sub-Post Offices
and (c) Public Call installations in Assam,
District-wise : and

(b) the number of existing experimental
Post Offices in Assam, District- wise 9

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA)-
(a) Number of applications pending with
Postmaster General, concerned for open-
ing (a) branch post offices in rural areas

(b) sub-post offices (c) Public Call Offices
in Assam State, district-wise

Name of

District

Branch

post

Offices

Sub

post

Offices

Public

call

offices

Kamrup

Goal para

Darrang

Nowgong

Nil

Mikir Hills

North Cachar Hills Nil

Cachar

Nil

Sibsagar

North Lakhimpur

Nil")

Dibrugarh

Nil J

(b) Number of experimental Post Offices
existing in Assam State, district-wise : —

Name of District

No. oF Experi-
mental post

offices

Kami up

173

Goalpaia

101

Danang

Nowgong

Mikir Hills

North Cachar Hills

Cachar

127

Sibsagar

146

North Lakhimpui .

Dibrugaih

Grant of remission

to prisoners

3193. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Will the
Ministei of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to lefer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 1414 on the 9ih August,
1972 regarding grant of remission to pri-
soners on the occasion of 25th Anniversaty
of Independence and state :

(a) whether the cases of prisoners re-
ferred to in Annexure II, have since been
leviewed by the Revisioning Board of
Delhi Administration and a final decision
taken ;

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BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Writtek Answers 98

(b) V so, the names of such prisoners
recommended for release and the proposed
date for release; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS;
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) The meeting of the Reviewing Board
was initially scheduled to be held on 21st
August, 1972 , but, was postponed due to
some administrative reasons.

Closure of Foundries in West Bengal

3194. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHA-
RYYA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Goveinment
has been drawn to statemen t given by the
President of Indian Foundaries Associa-
tion regarding the critical situation faced
by the foundaries of West Bengal as pub-
lished in the Satyajug (Bengali), Calcutta
dated the 1st June, 1972;

(b) whether a large number of foundaries
have already been closed and some are on
the point of closure; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD):

(a) to (c). The information is being col-
lected and will be laid on the table of the
Sabha.

Location of New I.T.I. units

3195. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN :
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATION >
be pleased to state :

.(a) whether the Ministry has formed
a Committee under the Chairmanship of
Mr. M.S. Pathak, Member, Planning Com-
41 LSS/72*— 5

mission, to study the desirability of star-
ting new I.T.I. Units and their location;

(b) if so, whether the Committee has
submitted its report to Government; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI-
CATIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) :
(a) and (b). The Committee set up under
the Chairmanship of Shri M.S. Pathak
Member, Planning Commission, is re-
quired to examine the demand and supply
of telecommunication equipment in the
country and suggest ways and means to
overcome the deficiencies and recommend
a perspective plan for expanding telecom-
munication equipment manufacturing capa-
city in the country. It has not yet sub-
mitted its report to Government.

Precision Instrument Project in Palghat

3196. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN:

SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN-
KAPPAN :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Government of India
have taken a final decision about locating
i he Precision Instiument Project in Pal-
ghat;

(b) if so, whether the Government have
takeA any steps to commence production
early; and •

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) * (a) Yes, Sir.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 100

(b) Instrumentation Limited, a public
sector company, has been asked to take
expeditious action to set up the project.
The Company are at present engaged in
updating the Detailed Project Report.
Further, a team of Officers of the Company
visited Palghat and finalised the site for the
location of the Project. The Company
have already assigned some key peson-
nel to the Project.

Plan outlay for Andhra Pradesh

3197. SHRI B.N. REDDY : Will the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state the total and year- wise outlay ol
Andhra Pradesh State during the Fourth
Plan and Central Government’s aid oul
of it ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA):

Outlay, expenditure and Central assis-
tance for the Fourth Plan of Andhra
Pradesh.

(Rs. ci ores)

Outlay Ccuual
assis-
tance

Fourth Plan approved

outlay

420 50

240.00

Expen-

diture

Disburse-

ments

1969-70 .

76 13

41 49

1970-71 .

82.57

43.56

-1971-72 (anticipated)

104.79

47 82

Jf' 972-73 (approved)
Postman

ing fa) bran

105.00 46.56

(allocation)

Sheikh Abdullah's letter to P.M. after
Summit Agreement

3198. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH:
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Sheikh Abdullah sent a
leuer to the Prime Minister after the recent
Summit Agreement between India and
Pakistan;

(b) if so, the contents thereof, and

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF
ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATJ
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c) : Political leaders write to
the Prime Minister on various subjects
in confidence It is not the normal prac-
tice to disclose the contents of such letters.

Laboratory Investigation by Central Fuel
Research Institute

3199 SHRI VEKARIA : Will the
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Fuel Rcseaich
Institute has completed the laboratory
investigation on the properties of the
Lignite samples mined from the KulCh
District;

(b) if so, the icsults achieved; and

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Written Answers 102

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRA-
MANIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Investigations on Kutch lignite show
its potentiality of utilisation for domestic
fuel, power generation and fertilizer.

(c) A summarised Note on properties
of the lignite and progress of investiga-
tion has already been submitted to Gujarat
Mineral Development Corporation (GMDC)
by the Central Fuel Research Institute
(CFRI), Jealgora m August, 1971.
GMDC desired that the Institute should
submit a feasibility report for domestic
fuel followed by similar rcpoits for power
gcneraltion and fertiliser. First Report
is getting ready and the same is expected
to be submitted soon.

Variation in Prices of T.V. Sets of different
makes

3200. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have examined
the price-index of a T.V. Set, which varies
so much from brand to brand;

(b) whether the performance of few
brands has been found far from satisfac-
tory; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI K.C. PANT): (a) to (c) . There is
not much variation in the retail prices of
TV sets of different^ brands made in the
country. The performance of the indi-
genous sets is good.

Price Control of Essential commodities

3201. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI:
SHRI P. M. MEHTA:

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are consider-
ing how measures of price control of essen-
tial commodities can be protected from the
purview of the Supreme Court: and

(b) if so, when the final decision in this
regard is likely to be taken ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The
matter is under consideration of the Go-
vernme nt.

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Priority in crossing rail-ci/m-road bridge
over Jamona river, Delhi.

3204. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI:
Will the Minister of HOME AFFIARS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether traffic coming from Shaha-
dara area (Delhi) is givep priority in cross-
ing the Rail-cum-road Bridge over river
Jamuna (Delhi);

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) if not, the reasons why traffic from
Gandhi Nagar area is not given facilities
for crossing by both ways (when opened)
as is done in the case of traffic from Shaha-
daia area?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No.

(b) The question does not arise.

(c) Delhi Traffic Police on duty at the
bridge treat the traffic from Shahdara and
Gandhi Nagar sides alike. Traffic from
Gandhi Nagar area is not permitted to
use both carriage-ways as it will have to
cross-cut the traffic coming from Shaha-
dara, which may result in accidents.

Pak Saboteurs in Jammu and Kashin
after Simla Agreement

3205. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH:
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Pakistan Government have
been sending saboteurs in the State of
Jammu and Kashmir despite the Simla
Agreement;

(b) if so, whether any inquiry has been
conducted in the matter and the number
of such saboteurs arrested during the last
three months ; and

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMA1T
INDIRA GANDHI): (a) No such instance
has been reported so far.

(b) Does not arise.

135 WMten Answers

BHADRA t, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 106

Maharashtra — Mysore Boundary

3207. : SHRI B. V. NAIK :

SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be phased to state:

(a) whether the Chief Ministers of Mysore
and Maharashtra have recently announced
their stand on the border between the two
states ; and

(b) if so, the main points of stand taken
by the two Chief Ministers respectively and
the Governments' reaction thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F.H. MOHSIN) (a) No formal commu-
nication has bene received recently from
the Chief Ministers indicating their stand
in the matter.

(b) Does not arise.

Working of Accredited Correspondents

3208. SHRI MADHURYA HALDAR:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether he will place a statement
on the Table of the House siting the number
of despatches that the accredited New
Delhi Correspondents of Jana Morcha
Faizabad, ‘Sakai’ ‘Pune-Bombay’, ‘Guja-
rat Herald’ and ‘Matribhumi’ Ahmeda-
bad) ‘Search-light’ Patna, Sada-e-Am’ sent
between May and July this year and which
were published;

(b) whether the Press Information
Bureau and Accereditation Committee have
checked that these correspondents carried
telegram bearing cards etc; and

(c) whether a number of anrredited
correspondents are working mainly for
papers other than those for which they are
accredited?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA): (a) Accredited press correspon-
dents are not obliged to keep the Press
Information Bureau informed about the
number of despatches they send to their
newspapers and the number of such des-
patches actually published. The infor-
mation sought is, there fere, not available.

(b) No. Sir,

(c) Under the Rules for Accreditation
there is no bar against correspondents
working for papers other than those for
which they are accredited.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers ,109

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Iitdianrsation of Posts held hy Foreigners
in Foreign Companies in India

32iL SHRI K MALLANNA : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TtCII-
NOLOGY be pleased to state ■

(a) tlx names of foreign Companies
in India in which foicigncis are holding
the highest posts at picseiU;

(b) whether Government propose to
formulate any scheme toi the lndiamsa-
tion of such posts in those Companies,
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DIVL-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD), (a) A statement is laid on the
Table of the House (Placed in Library
see No. LT -3485/72)

(b) and (c). A scheme for progressive
Indianisation of posts in foreign firm
was introduced in 1952. There is no sta-
tutory enactment for this pm pose and the
policy of the Government has been, one
of persuation. As a result, practically all
posts in foreign companies, with a monthly
salary of upto Rs. 3,000 arc now held by

Indian nationals while more than nine out
of every ten posts with a monthly salary
between Rs. 3001/- and Rs. 5001/- are
manned by Indian nationals.

Investigations against former custodian of
United Commercial Rank

3212. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state .

(a) whcthci investigations instituted
against the former custodian of the United
Commercial Bank and other following the
allegations made about certain transactions
through this Rank by Hindustan Motors
Limited on the eve of devaluation of the
Rupee in June, 1966 has since been comple-
ted;

<b) i! so, the icsult oi ihc lnqiuiy, and

(t) Ciovumpenfs reaction thcicto ,}

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THI
MINISTRY Of IIOMF AFFAIRS AND
IN mi DEPARTMENT OF PFRSON-
Nf L * (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA):
(a) No, Sir

(h) and (c) Do not arise

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109 Written Answers

BHADRA l f \%9A(SAKA)

Written Answers 110

Rates of sales tat on cotton Yarn and thread
in Chandigarh

3214. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN.
KAR : Will the Minister of HOME-
AFFAIRS be pleased to state .

(a) Whether Chandigarh Administration
charges rupees two and rupees six, respec-
tively, on the sale of cotton yarn and thread
us Sales Tax, while the rate of such Tax in
Haryana and Punjab is only one per cent
and in Delhi there is no sales tax on this
material at all;

(a) whether it has come in to the notice
of Government that some foreign com-
panies operating in India have been indul-
ging in irregular foreign exchange transac-
tions ; and

(b) if so, what action has been taken to
prevent such transactions ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA)

(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) whether the traders of Chandigarh
have represented that owing to high rale
of tax at Chandigarh business has diverted
to Punjab and Haryana and has hit hard
the businessmen of Chandigarh dealing
in the material; and

(b) N pessary action is taken in sepctfic
cases of violation of the provisions of
I oreign Exchange Regulation Act, that
come to notice in accordance with law.
Appropnate legislative and administrative
measmes aie taken from time to time to
unb violations of FoJUgn Exchange Regu-
lations

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OH HOME Al l AIRS
(SHRI F.H MOHSIN): (a) Sales Tax on
Colton Yarn and Tluead in Chandigarh,
i laryana and Delhi is as follows —

Chandigarh

Punjab

Haryana

Delhi

Cotton Thread
>arn

2 % 6 °.

1 % 1 %

Ko 6 %

1 % Nil

(b) The tradu s of Chandigaih have ic-
picsented to Chandigarh Administration
against the high rate of tax in Chandi-
garh. However, it is not correct that trade
has diverted to Punjab and Haryana.

Annual Plan outlay approved for Orissa
for 1972-73

3216 SHRI CH1NTAMAN1 PANIG-
RAHI: Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state.

(a) the annual plan outlay approved
for Oussa for 1972-73;

(h) how much is the central assistance
out of this approved outlay; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DH ARIA): (a) and (b) The appro-
ved Annual Plan *1972-73 outlay for Orissa
is Rs. 57.42 crores of which Central assis-
tance amounts to Rs. 31 .04 crores.

Illegal Transactions in foreign exchange
by Foreign Companies

„ 3215. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM: Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state:

(c) A statement indicating the distribu-
tion of the approved outlay in 1972-73
among various heads of development is
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed
iq Library. See No. LT-3486/72]

Ill

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 112

Process exploited by NEDC for the produc-
tion of hard pttftic

3217. SHR1 RAJDBO SINGH : Will
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Govehnnent are aware
that the National Research Development
Corporation has exploited a process for
the production of hard plastic ABS deve-
loped by the Sri Ram Institute of Industrial
Research; and

(b) If so, whether Government consider
it desirable to encourage its production
on commercial basis to cut out imports
and also to meet the increasing future
demands?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM): (a) Yes, Sir. A process has been
developed by Sri Ram Institute of Indus-
trial Research, Delhi for manufacture of
ABS Plastics (Acrylenitrile, Butedience,
Styrene). This work was sponsored by
N.A.D.C.

(b) Action is already being taken to
license the process for establishing pro-
duction of this material in the country.

Legislation for Weights and Measures

3218. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF:
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

•

(a) whether Maitra Committee on
Weights and Measures has suggested legis-
lation in die States to punish infringements
of laws relating to Weights and Measures;

and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Government of India will take
a decision in the matter after considering
the opinions of State Governments, the
concerned departments of the Central
Government and also of the representa-
tives of consumers, educational institutions,
farmers, industrialists, scientists and traders.

Decrease in Purchase of Khadi

3219. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether the quantum of purchase
of Khadi items has gone down during the
last two years in the country; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the
steps taken by Government to improve
the sales ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) During the last two years,
the sales are more or less stabilised around
Rs. 26 crores.

(b) Does not arise.

Shortfall in Production of Agricultural
Implements

3220. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : WiH
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether production of the agricultural
implements like threshers, spare parts for
tractors, water pumps and other such equip-
ment has gone down during the last one
year in the country ; and

(b) if so, the main reasons therefor ?

113 Written Answers

BHADRA l f 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 114

TRE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) There has been a slight short-
fall in production in 1971 as compared to
the production of 1970*

(b) The matching agricultural imple-
ments are mainly produced by the tractor
manufacturers themselves. As there has
been a shortfall in production of tractors
during 1971 as compared to the produc-
tion of the year 1970, Agricultural imple-
ments and spare parts for Agricultural
tractors have also been produced in less
numbers during the year 1971.

Brain drain due to lack of facilities for
Research

3221. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA :
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether specialists m the fields of
science and technology arc leaving the
country because they do not have adequate
facilities for research; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government
to stop this brain drain?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) Scientists who go abroad do
so for higher studies, training or for acquir-
ing wider or specialised experience. Some go
attracted by the greater opportunities in the
highly advanced countries.

(b) Some of the steps taken to provide
research facilities to well qualified scientists
technologists etc. are given below:—

1, The Government of India have ap-
proved a Scheme for creation of super-
numerary posts for quick absorption
• of highly qualified Scientists and Tech-

nologists in suitable scientific organisa-
tions.

2. The Council of Scientific and Industrial
Research is running a Scientists 1 Pool,
which provides opportunities for re-
search in suitable organisations,

3. The University Grants Commission,
C.S.T.R. and other scientific agencies
have instituted a number of
senior and Junior Research Fellow-
ships for research work in the Univer-
sities, National Laboratories and other
research institutions.

4. Grants are given to Scientists to carry
•out research projects.

5. University Grants Commission have
been providing special assistance to
some selected Universities to establish

Centres of Advanced Study 1 * in speci-
fic fields of research.

6. The University Grants Commission
have made provision for further deve-
lopment of laboratory and other faci-
lities in Universities including the pur-
chase of specialised equipments.

Tuition Fee Unification in Schools in Kerala

3222, SHRI PILOO MODY :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state:

(a) whether there has been certain contro-

versy in Kerala regarding the State Govern-
ment's decision on tuition fee unification in
schools; §

(b) whther the State Government has
taken up this question with the Union
Government; and

1 1 5 Written Atiswtfy

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 116

THE MINISTER Ofc STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K,C PANT): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c) The management of private
colleges in Kerala had sbought the good
offices of the Prime Minister in resolving the
controversy which has since been amicably
settled.

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Hill uu Nationalisation ol Foreign owned
Plantations in Kerala

.1225 SHRI C .IAN A ROHAN AN : Will
the Mimslci of IIOMI- Al FAIRS be pleas-
ed to state

(a) whether the Slate Cioveinment of
Kciala ha\e sent to the Government of India
foi approval a Bill to nationalise Foreign
owned plantations in Kciala; and

(b) if so, the reasons tor delay in giving
sanction to that Bill ,}

THi: DLPUTY MINISTCR IN THE
MINISTRY OF : HOM1 AFFAIRS (SHR[
F. H MOHSIN) . (a) and (b) A draft
Old. nance has been received from the
Cioveinment of Kerala for instructions of
the President for its promulgation. The
draft legislation needs caieful examination
fiom the point of view of policy and is under
examination.

Small Scale Industries in Rewa Division

3226. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH:
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state the progress

117 Written Answers BHADRA 1,

made during the year 1971-72 in the sphere of
small spate industries in Rewa Division 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : Information has been sought from
the Government oi Madhya Pradesh and
will be laid on the Tabic of the House.

Alleged beating ol INTUC leader of D.E.S.U.
by some persons

1227. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY :
Will the Minister of HOMF AFFAIRS be
pleased to state.

(a) whether Shn R P. Bhaskar, an
INTUC Union Leader of DESU was seve-
. o! v beaten by some persons on ihe 25th
July, 1972 while on duty,

fb) whether any icpoit has been registeied
by the police against those persons; and

THE Dl PUTY MINISTER IN IHb
MINISTRY Or HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F H. MOHSIN) (a) No Sir On 25-7-72
Shn R. P. Bhaskai, Senior Clerk in DLSU
anJ an office beaiu of DLSU Ma/dooi
Congress had a scuffle with Slav i Jagdish
Smgh Junior Lineman DESU in the Office
ol Zonal Superintendent (Zone 14) Delhi
Electric Supply Undertaking In course of
this scuffle, Shn R P Bhaskar sustaine
simple injuries on his peison

(b) Yes Sir. In his icpoit to the police,
Shri R. P. Bhaskar has complained that his
purse containing Rs. 210 was stolen by
Shri Jagdish Singh A ease FIR No 438
dated 25.7 72 under section 379 1 P.C.
(theft) has been registered at Police Station
Punjabi Bagh.

im{SAKA) Written Answers 118

investigations are being made by DESU
authorities in the complaint and counter
complaint of both the parties.

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Orders and Output of Engineering Industrial
Units

.3229. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM
KAKODKAR :

SHRI K EAKKAPPA .

Will the Ministcv of INDUSTRIAL
DUVELOPMENl AND SCIENCE AND
TL( HNOI OGY he pleased to state:

(a) vvhi iici the Engineering Industrial
Units expect more oidcrs and output in
fuluic according to the suney by the Indian
Engineering Association, and

(b) if so, the salient features of the survey
and, the total output and ordeis expected in
the current year 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Survey extended to 1 1 1 companies
representing various sectors of the Engi-
neering Industiy. In analysing the date, the
results of the previous two six-monthly Sur-
veys were also taken into account. Accord-
ing to them there is greater optimism gene-
rally in regard to industry as a whole and

119 Written Atuwerk AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 120

particularly engineering industry. They
have anticipated (i) greater capital avail-
ability; (li) higher capacity utilisation;
<iii) more employment prospects; (iv) im-
provement in orders in output position; and
(v) present level of exports is likely to be
maintained, although no precise figures have
been mentioned by them.

North-Eastern Council

3230. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the North-Eastern Council
has come into being; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Governor of the north-eastern
States of Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya,
Nagaland and Tripura and Chief Ministers
of these States, the Lt. Governor and the
Chief Minister of Mizoram and the Chief
Commissioner of Arunachal Pradesh and
one of his Counsellors are members of the
Council. The Governor has been nomi-
nated to be the Chairman. The Council
is an advisory and recommendatory body.
Its main function is to formulate a coordi-
nated regional plan with a view to securing
the balanced development of the region as
a whole and to discharge functions similar
to those of the Zonal Councils constituted
under the States Reorganisation Act, 1956.
The Council will also review from time to
lime the measures taken by the member-
States for maintenance of security and pub-
lic order and recommend further measures.

Studies of Companies made by R.B.I.

3231. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) the outcome of the recent studies of
290 Companies by the Reserve Bank of
India; and

(b) the reaction of Government in this
regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) and (b) It is understood that the
outcome of the study of 290 non-Govern-
ment, non-fmancial public limited com-
panies earned out by the R.BJ. is available
m the R.B.I. Bulletin of February 1972 and
that it relates primarily to the Department
of Company Affairs.

Extension in Age limit upto 30 years for
entry into Government Service

3232. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Central Government propose
to extend the age limit upto 30 years for entry
into Government Service; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINSTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :
(a) and (b) No proposal for raising the upper
age limit to 30 years for entry into Govern-
ment service is under consideration. Upper
age limits for various posts are fixed taking
into account the qualifications and expe-
rience required for them. However, as a
result of a suggestion made by the Staff
Side of the Joint Consultative Machinery
orders have been issued in March, 1972
raising the upper age limit for direct recruit-
ment to Class III ministerial non-gazetted
posts from 21 to 25 years. Further, on the
recommendations of the Administrtaive Re-
forms Commission, the upper age limit for
recruitment to Class I and Class II posts
filled through the I.A.S. etc. Competitive

121 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAK A)

[ Written Answers 122

examination has been raised in April, 1972
from 24 to 26 years. Also in order to pro-
vide employment opportunities to the Engi-
neers who passed engineering examinations
during the period of stagnation in economy,
the upper age limit for the Engineering Ser-
vices Examinations for the years 1972 and
1973 has been raised to 30 years and simi-
larly for the Engineering Services (Electro-
nics) Examination for the years 1973 and
1974. In regard to Engineering Services
and Engineering posts recruitment to which
is made otherwise than through competitive
examinations, the upper age limit has been
relaxed by five years subject to a maximum
upper age limit of 35 years.

(a) the names and full particulars of the
persons arrested in connection with the
fraud in a Nationalised Bank in Calcutta In
in May, 1972 involving about 60 lakhs of
rupees;

(b) the names and full particulars of
arrested persons either subsequently releas-
ed or bailed out alongwith reasons therefor;

(c) whether the Police has prepared and
submitted charge sheets against the persons
involved in this fraud, if not, the reasons
therefor; and

(d) whether there is a move to withdraw
the case?

“Tricks” of employers to realise money from
Government

3234. SHR1 JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether his attention has been drawn
to a news-item published in “Jugantar”
(Bengali daily newspaper published from
Calcutta) on the 5th July, 1972 under the
caption “Tricks of the employers to realise
money from the Government”; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) The following persons
were arrested in connection with the fraud in
the United Bank of India Calcutta

(1) Fatick Chandra
Majumdcr

(2) Gurupada Panja

(3) Naba Kumar Basak

(4) Matilal Paul

(5) Pulak Chandra
Paul

These five per-
sons are not
. the employees
Vof the Bank.
They were ar-
rested
26-4-72.

(6) Ratan Kumar not an employee of
Majumdar, the Bank, arrested
©n 4-5-72.

(b) if so, Government's reaction thereto?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) Government are aware of the
Press report.

(b) No such instance has come to the
notice of this Ministry.

Fraud in a Nationalised Bank in Calcutta
involving about 60 lakhs of Rupees

‘ 3235. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state:

(7) Nalini Ranjan Dutta, Manager,
Calcutta Branch. At the time of his arrest
on 27-4-1972 he was working as Regional
Manager.

(8) Dhirendra Chandra Mukbeijee,
Manager of new Manicktolla Branch was
arrested on 28-4-1972.

(9) Baldcv Bhattacharjee, Assistant Ma-
nager and in-chargc of Loan advanced
under Small Scale Industries Scheme of
Head Office, arrested on 29-4-72.

(10) Krishan Gopal Ghatak, Officer of
Advance Control Department, S.S.I. Scheme
of Head Office arrested on 4-5-72.

123 Written Answers

AUGUSr 23, 1972

Written Answers 124

(11) Anil Kumar Sinha, incharge of Secu-
rity Department of Hatftmgan Branch of the
Bank arrested on 4-5-71

(12) Subodh Kumar Mitra, Manager of
Tollygunge Branch arrested on 15-5-1972.

(13) Chittaranjan Dutta arrested on
29-5-1972. He is not a Bank employee.

(14) Benoy Bhusan Sengupta, Manager
of Behala Branch arrested on 12-6-1972.

(b) All the accused persons were jn police
custody and thereafter in Jail custody for
24 months. Accused numbers 2, 5, 7, 8, 9,
10, 11 and 12 were granted bail by Chief
Presidency Magistrate on 10-7-1972. Accus-
ed numbers 1, 3, 4. 6, 13 & 14 were granted
bail by Chief Judge City Sessions Court
on 10-8-1972.

(c) A large number of documents have
been seized. These are being scrutinised.
A large number of persons arc to be examin-
ed. It will, therefore, take sometime to
complete investigation of this case and to
submit charge-sheet.

♦

(d) There is no move to withdraw the
•case.

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Scheme for promotion of Khadi and
village Industries

3237. SHRl C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Khadi and Village Indus-
tries Commission is celebrating the Golden
Jubilee of the Khadi movement in the
current year;

(b) whether the Commission is launching
any special scheme for the promotion of
Khadi and village industries in the golden
jubilee year; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) . (a) and (b). Yes, Sir.

(') enrolment of one lakh khadi fami-
lies;

(n) ‘Peoples’ Education Programme’
through publication of brochures,
pamphlets, radio features, seminars,
study circles, display of film strips
etc.; and

(ni) Organisation of exhibitions with
stress on improved tools and the
achievements of the Commission,
sales of ready made garments
(Khadi kits) and village industries
products packets, as part thereof.

125 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 126

Location of cross-bar switching factory.

3238. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN:
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS
be pleased to slate.

(a) the latest position regarding the
question of deciding the location of Cross
Bar Switching Factory;

(b) whether the proposal of Kerala
Government and recommendations of the
Team of Experts on this matter have since
been considered ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) :
(a) to (c) : The question regarding the locat-
ion of the second Switching Factory is still
under consideration of Government.

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Difference of opinion of leading economists
of the approach to Fifth Plan

3241 SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the leading Lconomists diifer
on the approach to the Fifth Plan as voiced
in a symposium held in Bombay; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government?

HIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). It is diffi-
cult to locate the symposium referred to
by the Hon. Member as the question is too
vague. It is lruc*thal various economists
have been expressing varying opinions over
the Approach Paper. The Approach Paper
is a tentative document and is before the
country for dialogue and for understanding
the reactions of the people. All such re-
actions will be considered at the time of the
finalisation of the Approach to the Fifth
Five Year Plan,

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 129

127 Written Ansn$s

Working of Canteen of Bharat Opthalmic
Glass Limited

3242. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA
HALDAR : Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) the number of persons working in the
Canteen of Bharat Opthalmic Glass Ltd.,
Durgapur on Muster Roll establishment;

(b) how many of them have completed
240 days of continuous service; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Eighteen.

(c) Canteen workers arc not employees
of the Company, as such. They are engaged
separately by the Canteen Managing Com-
mittee. Accordingly, the question of regula-
rising their services as comployccs of the
Company does not arise.

Manufacture of Bicycles of High Speed

3243 SHRI RAJDEO SINGH ■ Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Regional Research Labo-

ratory at Jorhat has invented a gear device
by which the speed of bicycles can be in-
creased without much additonal pedal
effort ; «

(b) whether the components needed can
be manufactured indigenously;

(d) if so, whether Government consider
it advisable to start its manufacture on
commercial basis?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Yes, Sir,

(d) The process has been assigned to the
National Research Development Corpora*
tion of India, who are exploring the possibi-
lities of its commercial utilisation.

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Short supply of Cement in Kerala

3247. SHR1MAT1 BHARGAV1 THAN-
KAPPAN : Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state.

(a) whethei cement is in short supply in
Kerala and because of that great difficulties
are being faced in the constructions of many
Government and private buidings m Kerala.

(b) if so, whether the Keiala Govern-
ment have sent any request in this regard;

(d) if so, the steps Government have taken
to remove the shortage of cement in
Kerala?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DE VELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD)'
(a) and (b). No Sir. The average
monthly despatches of cement to Kerala
State during 1972 is 58490 tonnes against
49984 tonnes in 1971. But, still, due to
increased demand for cement, certain com-
plaints regarding inadequate supplies were
received from Government/Quasi Govern-
ment indentors.

(c) and (d). The supply position suffered
somewhat due to movement difficulties and
strike in Madukkarai cement factory, one
41LSS/72 — 7-

of the factories supplying cement to the
State of Kerala and general dis-inclination
of the Government indentors to receive
supplies by road. Movement of cement by
railways was also affected due to the higher
priority given to the movement of food-
grains from the North during April-August,
1972 Rail motv*;ment on the Gh^t Section
was also temporarily stopped due to a land
slide in the month of May.

To overcome the inadequate supplly of
wagons and to improve supply position,
permission has been granted in appropriate
cases to factories situated in distant areas
to arrange supplies even if necessary over
dearer routes at higher freight. More liberal
movement by road has also been permitted.
Creation of dumps at Chonganachari and
Quilon and transport of cement by rail-
ca/w-road or by road has also been permit-
ted. It has also been decided to reimburse
the producers upto 125% of the correspond-
ing rail freight for transport of cement to
destinations beyond 100 kms. The Railways
have also been requested to improve the
availability of wagons to various factories
for the transport of cement

Seminar Organized by Indian space
Research Organization

3248. SHRI VEKAR1A : Will the Minis-
ter of SPACE be pleased to state;

(a) whether a Seminar organized by the
Indian Space Research Organization was
held in the first week of August, and

(b) ’if so, the points discussed and the
conclusions arrived at?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMAT1
NIDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir.

1 3 1 Written Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 132

(b) The points discussed covered the
following six areas :

(i) Communication

(ii) Metcrcology

(iii) Earth Resource Survey

(iv) Geodesy

(v) Navigation

(vi) Space Sciences

Broadly the recommendations which
emerged from the discussions at the Semi-
nar were :

0) Communications : The need of Sate-
llite Communications for reaching
the masses of the country seems
appropriate Taking into account the
benefits of the modern medium of
television for development purposes,
several alternative configurations
were considered for a Communica-
tion Satellite for the adoption of a
hybrid integrated arrangement of
terrestrial broad band microwave
links and TV transmit along with
satellite coverage facilities for na-
tional linkage as an optimum sys-
tem.

<u) Metereology : Weather phenomena
have to be studied and monitored
and the latest data collection me-
thods studied which will eventually
improve forecasting capabilities.
The establishment of a National
Satellite Meteorological Data Cen-
tre has been recommended.

(iii) Earth Resource Survey : The new
techniques of remote sensing have to
be developed and passed on to the
users so that economic benefits can
be derived. Successful implementa-
tion of a national programme of
space technology including remote
sensing techniques can help provide
Unnecessary information leading to
substantial economic benefits.

(iv) Geodesy : To meet the needs of
Geodesy, the new techique of satel-
lite geodesy should be employed.

(v) Navigation : Space applications for
nevigation are likely to be more in
the nature of a spin-off from the
efforts for satellite communications.

(vi) Space Sciences : Several recommen-
dations have been made including
the use of satellites for conducting
aeronomy experiments particularly
aimed at understanding the equato-
rial anomaly of the ionosphere and
the electrojccl and for carrying out
experiments in astronomy.

The detailed recommendations emerging
from the Seminar will receive detailed and
careful scrutiny of the Department of Space
for enabling the recommendations to be
translated into concrete proposals.

Utilisation of Salt Cess Fund for Gujarat
State

3249. SHRI VEKARIA *

SHR1 D P JADEJA :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Gujarat contributes about 60
per cent of the total salt produced in the
country and pays quite a substantial amount
to the Central Exchequer every year by way
of cess,

(b) whether the Government of Gujarat
had not been given assistance from the Salt
Cess Fund and if so, the reasons therefor;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir.

133 Written A is Mrs

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

(b) No assistance has been given to the
-Government of Gujarat directly out of salt
cess proceeds. The assistance is generally
given to beneficiary salt licensees.

(c) In terms of Section 4 of the Salt Cess
Act, 1953, the proceeds of the cess, reduced
by the cost of collection, are, if Parliament
by law in this behalf so provide, utilised on
all or any of the following objects, namely :

(a) meeting the expenditure incurred in
connection with the salt organisa-
tion maintained by the Central Go-
vernment ;

4b) meeting the cost of measures taken
in connection with the manufacture,
supply and distribution of salt by
Union agencies and the regulation and
control of the manufacture, supply
and distribution of salt by other agen-
cies; and m particular, measures for—

(i) the establishment and mainte-
nance of research stations and
model salt farms,

(ii) the establishment, maintenance
and expansion of salt factories;

(m) fixing the grades of salt;

(iv) promoting and encouraging co-
operative effort among manufac-
turers of salt; and

(v) promoting the welfare of labour
employed in the salt industry.

In order to implement these objectives,
Government have constituted a Central
Advisory Board for Salt and six Regional
Advisory Boards for Salt, to advise the
Government on the administration of the
proceeds of the salt cess. Works of a
developmental nature and/or of labour wel-
fare, indicated below are generally considered
for assistance from the proceeds of the
ccss,:—

(a) Water Supply Schemes,

(b) Building of roads,

(d) Developmental works (including
assistance for mechanisation and
research), port improvements for
export of salt and Railway sidings;
and

(e) Provision or augmentation of educa-
tional facilities for the children of
worktrs employed in the salt indus-
try,

Southern Zonal Council Meeting

325Q. SHR1 B. V. NA1K : Will the Minis-
ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(a) whether major items like river water
dispute were discussed at the meeting of the
Southern Zonal Council; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K.C. PANT) : (a). No such item was sug-
gested for discussion by any member-State
at the last meeting of the Southern Zonal
Council.

(b) Does not arise.

Incidents of Tnefts and Robberies in Post
Offices

3251. SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be pleased to state:

(a) whether a large number of thieves and
robbers have started attacking the Post
Offices m the country;

(b) if so, the number of such incidents
and loss sustained by the P&T Department
during this year so fai ; and

135 Written Angers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 136

THE MINISTER 1 OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRl H. N. BAHUGUNA) :

(a) Barring petty cases, there have been a few
cases of thefts and robberies during the
current year.

(b) 10;

Rs. 15,032.

Concentration during Fifth Plan on increasing

Production of Mass Consumption items
and Capital Goods

3252. SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

SHRl P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state;

(a) whether the Federation of Indian
Chambers of Commerce and Industry has
demanded that the Fifth Plan should con-
centrate on increasing the production of
mass consumption items of raw materials
and capital goods; and

(b) if so, whether the Federation of Indian
Chambers of Commerce and Industry com-
mittee has examined the Government's
approach to the Fifth Plan ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRl
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b) It is
learnt from the Federation of Indian Cham-
bers of Commerce and Industry that the
Planning Commission's document on
'Approach to the Fifth Plan’ was considered
by a committee of the Federation at a meet-
ing held on 16th June, 1972. The com-
mittee’s views, inter alia , included the sug-
gestion of a new frame for growth where
more and more people contribute to increas-
ing the supplies of a number of items of
mass consumption, raw materials, intermedi-
ates and capita] goods. The matter is under-
stood to be under study, by the Plan sub-
committee of the Federation, who has not
yet crystalised their views on the subject.

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Assistance to States to put an end
to Dacoities

3254. SHRl HARI SINGH : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
to give special Central aid to the Stales to
put an end to dacoities; and

(b) if so, the nature and extent of aid to
be given to different States ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl
F.H. MOHSIN) : (a). With a view to era-
dicate the crime of dacoity from the Gham-
bal Valley area the Central Government
in co-operation with the State Governments
concerned is preparing a comprehensive
socio-economic development plan of the
area. The question of any special Central
aid for this purpose would be considered in
due course.

(b) Does not arise.

137 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 138

Opportunity to Government employees to
appear in the I.A.S. examination

3255. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR :

SHRI D. N. SINGH :

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government are considering
to provide opportunity to the persons who
are below 36 years of service and have com-
pleted six years of service or only those non-
technical class IT and class 111 services,
where the promotional avenues arc bleak,
to sit at the l.A.S. Examination instead of
every Government employee (not already
:n class 1) as recommended by the Adminis-
trative Reforms Commission ; and

(b) If so, whether Government have un-
der considciauon the case of non-lechnical
persons from Science and Arts Faculties,
who are engaged in teaching science and
humanities (non-tcchnical subjects) in tech-
nical institutes under the Government-
Union and States wheic the promotional
avenues are extremely bleak ?

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER-
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIR-
DHA) : (a) and (b) The Administrative
Reforms Commission m its Report on Per-
sonnel Administration has recommended
that * in order to provide greater oppor-
tunities for the advancement of talented
persons who are not already in Class 1 —
every one who has completed 6 years of
service in Government and is less than 35
years of age may be given one and only
one chance to sit for the open competitive
exam nation for Class I non-technical ser-
vices, irrespective of the chances already
taken’ provided that he fulfils conditions
relating to educational qualifications.

The above recommendation is under con-
sideration of the Government.

Memorandum submitted by Legislators from
Rayahseema to P*M. for Financial Assis-
tance

* 3256. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
to state ;

(a) whether the legislators from Rayal-
seema have submitted a memorandum to
the Prime Minister requesting for financial
assistance to the socio-economic develop-
ment of the backward area of Rayalasecma*
during her visit to Hyderabad in connec-
tion with the meeting of the Southern Zonal
Council, and

(b) if so, whethei any financial assistance
in addition to the regular plan provision
will be made available for the development
of this area 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO-
HAN DHARJA) . (a) Yes, Sir, some M.Ps,
M.L As and others submitted a Memoran-
dum to the Prime Minister on the subject
of the socio-economic development of
Rayalasecma region of Andhra Pradesh and
requested uuet alia that a special revolving
fund of Rs 100 crores may be sanctioned
for the purpose

(b) The Regional Development Plan for
Rayalasecma, in the con'ext of which the
financial assistance mentioned in part (a)
of the question has been suggested envisages
total investments of Rs. 250 crores, Rs 350
crores and Rs. 517 crores m the Fourth,
Fifth and Sixth Plan respectively The ques-
tion of assistance during the Fourth Plan
period will be examined in relation to the
ongoing progiammes in the area, after
receiving proposals in that behalf from the
Government of Andhra Pradesh specifying
in particular, the adjustments that are pos-
sible in the current Plan so as to provide for
a larger allocation for the developmental
needs of the Rayalaseema region. In formu-
lating the Central as well as the States’

139 Written Answj/ts AUGUST 23 , 1972 Wr tten A rimers 140

Fifth and Sixth Five-Year Plan, the schemes
and programmes drawn up in the Regional
Development Plan for Rayalaseema will
be taken into account.

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T.V. Stations for Adivasi Areas of Rewa
in Madhya Pradesh

3258 SHRI RANABAHADUR

SINGH : Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleas-
ed to state

(a) whether Government propose to give
preference for establishing T.V. Stations
in the Adivasi Areas of Revva region in
Madhya Pradesh; and

(b) if so, the mam features thereof^

THE DFPUTY MINISTIR IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM B1R
SINHA)-(a) and (b). Proposals for the
expansion ol T.V. network m the country
during the F ifth Plan are s II being formula-
ted

Joint Development and Planning Board for
the development of Backward Areas of U.P.
and M.P.

3259. SrtR[ RANABAHADUR.

SINGH . Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether a Joint Development and
Planning Board is going to be set up for
the coordination and development of (he
backward areas of Bundclkhand region in
Uttar Pradesh and the adjoining areas of
Madhya Pradesh;

141 Written Answers BH ADR A 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers , 142

(b) whether any meeting in this connec-
tion has taken place; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO-
HAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c) . There is no
proposal before the Planning Commission
regarding a Joint Development and Planning
Board for the coordination and develop-
ment of backward areas of Bundelkhand
region in Uttar Pradesh and the adjoining
areas of Madhya Pradesh. However, at
the meeting of the Central Zonal Council
held on the 10th July, 1972, the representa-
tives of Uttar Piadesh and Madhya Pradesh
agreed that there should be a Joint Coordi-
nation Committee of the two States, with
the concerned Adviser of the Planning Com-
mission as Chairman to coordinate the deve-
lopment of the Bundelkhand region

Stoppage of Hire-Purchase Scheme due to
Lack of Funds

3260. SHRI K BALADHANOA-
UTHAM : Will the Minister of 1 NDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
A ND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether the National Small Indus-
tries Development Corporation has stopped
its hire-purchase scheme due to lack of funds;
and

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide ade-
quate funds to the Corporation to enable
it to continue the hire-purchase scheme?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) The position of finanaia! resources of
the * Corporation has impioved and steps
are being taken to improve it further.

Planning Minister’s statement on making
efforts for ensuring Minimum needs of the
People and on Expansion of Employment

3261. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of PLANNING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether he has recently stated that
he would concentrate his efforts on ensuring
minimum needs of the people on the one
hand and expanding employment on the
other; and

(b) if so, what concrete steps aie being
envisaged for achieving these aims?

THE. MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PI ANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Concrete steps envisaged for achiev-
ing these aims have been indicated in the
note entitled “Towards an Approach to
the Fifth Five Year Plan” placed on the
Table of the House on 31st May, 1972.
These steps have been generally approved
by the National Development Council
also. Briefly, these steps include adequate
provision for ensuiing minimum needs of
the^ people in the form of free and compul-
sory education for children upto the age
of \A , public health facilities integiatcd
wuh family planning and nutrition of child-
ren; rural water supply; homesilcs foi land-
less labour; rural roads, rural electrification;
and slum impiovemcnt in the larger towns.
As regards the problem of expanding employ
ment, opportunities, efforts will be made
to step up investments in employment-
intensive heads of development such
as small-scale industries, trade and
services and on suefi productive sectors in the
rural areas as minor irrigation, soil conser-
vation, dairying, forestry', fisheries and ani-
mal husbandry and area development.
Detailed exercises in this regard are now be-
ing worked out, which when completed,
are proposed to be incorporated in the Draft
Fifth Plan,

143 Written Ans\

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 144

Lack of Co-ordination! between Industrial
Units and C.S.LR. in regard to Scientific
Research

3262. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state :

(a) whether, at present, there is no pro-
per coordination between the industrial
units and the Council of Scientific and In-
dustrial Research; and

(b) if so, the steps Government have taken
to ensure better co-ordination between the
industry and the Council of Scientific and
Industrial Research in the sphere of research?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SU-
BRAMANIAM) : (a) and (b) C.S LR. has
built up an effective link of communication
with industry through the fndu^tnal Liaison
Units in the Laboratories and the Rcseaich
Co-ordination and Industrial Liaison Divi-
sion at the Headquarters. Representation
of industry on the Governing Bod> of the
CSIR and the Executive Councils of the
Laboratories provides adequate opportuni-
ties to the industry to participate in the
functioning and research programming of
the Institutes.

Steps are also being taken to arrange
get-togethers of CSIR Scientists with re-
presentatives of industries and to i cacti vise
the Joint Standing Committee for Researches
and Industry where Scientists, Industrialists
and Associations of manufacturers and
trade are represented.

The Director-General, Scientific and In-
dustrial Research is holding meetings with
the industiy and the Government officials
in different States.

Collaboration offered by C.S.LR. to tile
Chemical Industry for Research and Deve-
lopment

3263. SHRI K. BALADANDAYU-
THAM : Will the Minister of SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) wheiher the Council of Scientific
and Industrial Research has offered to the
Chemical industry collaboration for research
and development in three specific areas,
catalysts, polymers and corrosion;

(h) if so, the conditions offered for colla-
boiation with ihe Chemical Industry; and

the: ministfr of industrial

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOI OGY (SHRI C. SUB-
RAMANIAM) .(a) The subjects of cata-
lysis, polymers and corrosion were dis-
cussed as possible areas of cooperation bet-
ween CSIR Laboratories, industrial firms
in the public and private sector and other
organisations during a meeting held bet-
ween the lepresenlaiives of the chemical
industry and the Director-General, CSIR,
in Bombay on 15th July, 1972

(b) and (c). The modus ooeumdi for the
collaboration is undei consideration.

Manufacture of Razor Blades
by Foreign Companies

3265. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister ot INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCF AND TECH-
NOI OGY be pleased to state ■

(a) whether Government have decided
to allow some foreign companies to manu-
facture razor blades in India;

(b) if so, the names of the companies and
the details regarding the share of Indian
companies in manufacturing razor blades
in the country; and

145 Written Answers

BH ADR A 1,1 894 (SAKA) Written Answers 346

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Complaints against Khadi and
Village Industries Commission

3266. SHRI G. Y KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state ■

(a) whether Government have received
complaints regarding unsatisfactory work
ing of the Khadi and Village Industries
Commission: and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ynd the persons held responsible
therefor ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTFR IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDPHFSHWAR
PRASAD) . (a) and (b) A few complain'*
have been received against the working of
the Khadi and Village Industries Commis-
sion. These complaints are being examin-
ed.

Allocation of Funds to States for Distribu-
tion by Industrial Development Board for
Development of Industries

3267. SHRI G.Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the total amount of money distnhu'cd
by the Industrial Development Boaid of
India during 1971-72 to each State for the
development of industries; and

(b) the total amount of money granted
to the private sectors in each State in the
country?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) This Ministry has not set
up any Industrial Development Board of
India.

(b) Does not arise.

Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe Class I
Officers in Government of India

3268 SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state:

(a) the number of Scheduled Caste and
Scheduled Tribe Class I Officers in the
Government in India in 1965 ;

(b) . whether there has been any increase
in their number aftei 1965: and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM N1WAS M1RDHA) :
(a) As on 1st January 1965, there were 318
Officers belonging to Scheduled Castes
and 52 Officeis belonging to Scheduled
Tribes in the Class 1 sen ices under the
Government of India.

(b) and (c) Yes, Sir. There has been
appreciable increase in number of Class
I Officers belonging to Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes since 1965. As on
1st January 1971, there were 706 Officers
belonging to Scheduled Castes and 113
Officers belonging to Scheduled Tribes in
Class I services under the Government of
India These figures arc exclusive of the
civilian officers in Class 1 in the Lower
Formations under the Ministry of Defence
in respect of which information as on 1st
January 1971 is not available. However,
as on 1st January 1970, there were 22 Offi-
cers belonging to Scheduled Castes and 2
Officers belonging to Scheduled Tribes
in Class I in the Lower Formations of that
Ministry. A statement showing the num-
ber of Scheduled' Caste and Scheduled Tribe

147 Written Answer#;

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answer^ 148

Officers in Class I, Ministry-wise, as on 1st
January, 1965 and 1st January, 1971 is laid
on the Table of the House. [Placed in Li-
baray See No. LT-3487/72J.

Requirements of Trucks

3269. SHR1 BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the annual requirement of trucks in
the country;

(b) the existing capacity of the automo-
bile industry m the country to meet the
demand; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESH vVAR
PRASAD) : (a) The Planning Group for
Machinery Industries has estimated that
the demand for commercial vehicles includ-
ing buses by 1973-74 would be 85,000 num-
bers per annum

(b) The required information is as under :

Name of product Capacity Present
target produc-
by 1973-74 tion
(Nos. per capacity
annum) (Nos.

per

annum)

1. Commercial Vehi-
cles . . 85,000 48,400

2. Passenger Cars 8}, 000 47,400

3. Jeeps . 15,000 10,000

(c) The schemes for expansion submitted
by some of the existing manufacturers ha' c
either been approved or are under considera-
tion of the Government. Letters of intent

have also been issued to new entrepreneurs
for setting up additional capacity for the
manufacture of commercial vehicles.

Meeting of Car Manufacturers with Officers
of Ministry of Industrial Development re-
garding Improvement in manufacture of Cars

3270. SHRI B. S. BHAURA :

SHRI N. K. SANGHI :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state

(a) whether the representatives of the car
manufacturers met the officers of his Mims-
tiy and discussed ways and means to over-
come the present defects in car manufactur-
ing; and

(b) if so the reaction of Government
thereto 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir

(b) The discussions with the car manu-
facturers have been useful mas much as it
has been possible to identify and pin-point
the defects and to decide upon the remedial
action required Government propose to
continue the process of frequent discussions
with the manufacturers and also initiate
discussions with pnncipal ancillary suppliers.

Issue of Licence for Manufacture of Tin
Containers

3271 SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) the names of Tin container plants
which have been issued CO.B. Licences
during the current year (uptil 30th June,
1)72) with ai an ul absciss i cmcity of
1000 tons for the manufacture of Tin Con-
tainers foi captive use;

149 Written Answers

BHADRA1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 150

(b) whether he is aware that thsse units
are not getting the tin plates with the results
that the manufacturing capacity is lying
idle;

(c) whether any representations have
been made to the Development Commis-
sioner, Small-Scale Industries and D.G.
Technical Development in his Ministry for
assisting these plants to get the tin plates
either from Hindustan Steel Limited or the
Tin-plate Producers Consultative Committee;
and

(d) if so, the outcome thereof and the
steps being taken to ensure the sanctioned
capacity being utilised by these plants fully
by the regular supply of quotas of tin-plates
by the tin-plate producers ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) (a) (i) Messrs Premier Vege-
table Products Limited, Jaipur, and

f n) Messrs Bhavnagar Vegetable Products
Limited, Bha\nagar (Gujaiat)

(b) and (c) No, Sir
(d) Does not ause

Preparation of Radio-Pharinaceuticals by
Isotope Division, Bhabha Atomic Research
Centre

3272 SHRIM KA l HAMUTHU . Will
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be
pleased to state .

(a) the progress made in regaul to the
preparation of radio-pharmaceuticals by
the Isotope Division of the Bhabha Atomic
Research Centre; and

(b) the expenditure so far incurred by
the Centre in this respect?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME

AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRlMATI IN-
DIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The Isotope
Division of the Bhabha Atomic Research
Centre has developed more than 50 radio-
pharmaceutical products. Of these, 35
are in regular production and are being
regularly supplied to over 109 medical
institutions in the country. As the work
forms part of the overall development acti-
vities of the Isotope Division, details of the
expenditure incurred on the development
and production of radio-pharmaceuticals
are not separately available.

Cost, of Watches made by H.M.T., Sri-
nagar

3273. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the watches produced at
the Hindustan Machine Tools' watch manu-
facturing unit at Snnagai will cost 25 to
30 per cent more than those produced at
Bangalore, and

(b) if so, the results therefor 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). It is anticipated
that the manufacturing cost of the watches
to be produced at the Si inagar Unit of
Hindustan Machine Tools would be some-
what higher than that of the Bangalore
Unit due to the following reasons : —

b) Higher constiuclion cost;

(u) Provision of Ccntial heating facili-
ties in the factory as well as the re-
sidential buildings for the stafT of
the factory;

(in) Higher transportation charges for
movement of machinery, material
and finished product;

151 Written Answers

AUGUST 32, 1972

Written Answers 1 52

(iv) Additional depreciation charges due
to higher capital expenditure in the
initial stages,

(v) Increased operating expenses owing
to higher cost of almost all consti-
tuent elements like material, labour,
power, transport, water and non-exis-
tence of supporting industries in the
vicinity

Letter of Intent for Setting up of Cemen
Plant in Mysore

3274. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MA-
LIK ‘ Will the Minister of 1NDUSTR1AI
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIFNCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state

(a) whether a letter of intent to start a
cement plant has been issued to a private
party in Mysore State, and

(b) if so, the basis for issuing the letter
of intent to the party }

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THI
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL Dl VF-
LOPMENT (SHRI STDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) (a) Yes, Sir

(b) The party fulfilled nccessaiy condi-
tions for the grant of letter of intent The
Government of Mysore and the concerned
technical authorities also recommended thur
request

Handing over of Branch Post Offices to
Panchayats on experimental basis

3275 PROF NARAINCHAND PARA-
SHAR Will the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to state

(a) whether the P&T Department is plan-
ning to hand over the Branch Post Offices
to the Panchayats on an experimental basis,

(b) whether such an experiment has been
thed earlier in *any part of the country,
and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) - (a)
A proposal broadly on these lines is being
taken up for examination

(b) A scheme called ‘the Panchayai Pos-
tal Scheme’ was earlier launched on 2-10-63
in the area of Supa in Poona District of
Maharashtra State and was later extended
to some more places in that state

(i) Al times, difficulty was experienced
in securing reliable men to work as
Panchayati Postal Agents/Villagc
Agents

(n) Objections wcie voiced as the ad-
diessees had to call on the Pan-
cha>ati Postal Agents instead of the
existing facility of door to door
delivery

(m) The s>stem of delivering the inti-
mations (irst and the accountable
articles later at the Panchayati
Postal Centres was found to cause
hardship to the aged and women
addiessees

C ompensatory Hill Allowance to employees in
Ranipur Bushahar in Himachal Pradesh

3276 PROF NARAINCHAND PARA-
SHAR Will the Minister of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to state

(a) whether the P&T employees of Ram-
pur Bushahar in Himachal Piadesh have
been demanding the payment ol Compen-
sator} Hill Allowanee given to the employees
at hill stations generally, and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government to
this demand }

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA)

(a) Yes Sir

153 Written Answers

BH ADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 1 54

(b) According to the instructions issued
by the Ministry of Finance which are ap-
plicable to all Central Government employe-
es including P&T employees. Compen-
satory Hill Allowance is admissible at Hill
Stations situate J at a height of 1,000 meters
or more above sea level. The height of
Rampur Bushahar is less than 1 ,000 meters.
The allowance is, therefore, not admissible.

Issue of Commemoration Stamps during
1972-73

3277. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PA-
RASHAR : Will the Minister of COMMU-
NICATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Commemoration Stamps
are proposed to be issued during the year
1972-73; and

(b) if so, the main proposals thereof?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes, Sir

(b) The programme for the years 1972 and
1973 as drawn out till date is placed on
the table of the House [Placed in Library.
See No. ZT-3488/72].

25th year of India's Independence celebrations
by P&T Department

3278. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PA-
RASHAR : Will the Minister of COMMU-
NICATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the P&T Department has
drawn up any special plan to mark the
25th year of Indian Independence; and

(b) if so, the salient features of the
plan?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) The salient features of the programme
of celebrations in the P&T are

(i) Issue of three special postage stamps
on the occasion, one of them the 15th
August, 1972.

(ii) Issue of a newly designed aerogramme
on Independence day.

(lii) Introduction of PIN-Code— a scheme
for streamlining and bringing effi-
ciency in the sorting and despatch
of postal articles from the 15th
August, 1972.

(iv) Providing a Community Hall in
R K. Puram, New Delhi for P&T
employees.

(v) Intioduction of new Pass Book
Covers amongst Post Office Savings
Bank depositors.

(vi) Provisions of newly designed let-
ter boxes at a few places for better
presentabihty and convenience.

(vii) Commissioning of the Poona-
Secunderabad microwave link during ,
the anniversary year.

(vm) Opening of 300 telephone exchanges
to provide 1,20,000 additional lines.

(ix) Participation in the Asia Fair Exhi-
bition during the year.

(x) Non-closure of experimental Post
Offices during the Independence an-
niversary year.

Problem of Monsoon conditions in India
on Communication via Satellites

3279. SHRI VISHWANATH PRA-
TAP SINGH; Will the Minister of SPACE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the monsoon conditions in
India pose special problems in communi-
cation via satellites; and

(b) if so, whether India has been able to
solve these problems so far as our satellite
programme is concerned? >

155 Written Answer?

.AUGUST 23,1972

Written Answers 156

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The
particular configurations which will be em-
ployed in conducting the country’s satellite
programme will ensure that the monsoon
conditions will not pose special problems
so far as the programme is concerned.

Development of Fluidlzed-Bed Type Reactor

3280. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC
ENERGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether, in view of many desirable
characteristics of the fluidized-bed reactor,
the Government have under consideration
the development of this type of reactor;
and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTRER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI IN-
DIRA GANDHI) • (a) and (b). The flui-
dized-bed type reactor is an advanced high
temperature helium gas cooled leacior
envisaging the use of thorium. This reactor
concept involves the development of com-
plex fuel fabrication and reprocessing tech-
niques, and also of high temperature gas
turbine technology. These areas require
considerable development cflort in terms of
both money and manpower, but are appli-
cable mainly to this reactor concept only.
Government is therefore not considering the
development of the fluidized-bed type reac-
tor at present. However, the molten salt
eactor, which involves a reactor concept

making more efficient use of thorium than
the fluidized-bed reactor, is being studied
as an adjunct of the fast breeder reactor
programme.

Hindustan Paper Corporation Ltd.

3281. SHRI C. CHITTABABU :

SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the
progress of work done by the Hindustan
Paper Corporation Limited since its regis-
tration on 29th May, 1970?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : The Hindustan Paper Corpora-
tion has made the following progress in
respect of the three projects it has in hand:

Nagaland Pulp & Paper Project :

A subsidiary company was registered on
the 14th September, 1971. Land for the
project has been acquired. Some engineer-
ing staff etc is already in position and some
staff quarters have also been constructed.
The detailed project Report has been sub-
mitted and is in the final stage of clearance
by the Government. Arrangements for
procurement of plant and machinery re-
quired, have been taken in hand. The Na-
tional Development Corporation, a public
sector project, is being associated with the
whole project as consultants and detailed
design work etc. has been taken up. Train-
ing of some prospective workers has also
been arranged at the Institute of Paper Tech-
nology at Saharanpur. Raw material sour-
ces have been ensured and their suitability
has been established.

Assam Nowgong Project :

The site for this project has been selected
and a project cell has been set up in Assam.

1 57 Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 158

The detailed project report has been sub-
mitted to Government and is under exami-
nation. Meanwhile, the specifications for
plant and machinery are being drawn up ‘
by the Corporation. Deep soil boring
tests for load bearing factor of ihe area are
being taken up through experts. Suitability
of raw material available has been establish-
ed and a long-term arrangement with the
State Government is being negotiated.
Other infra-structural requirements fer the
project are also being arranged.

Kerala Newsprint Project :

The site has been selected and land ac-
quisition proceedings are being finalised.
Thi detailed project Report has been pre-
pared and is under scrutiny by Government
and is expected to be cleared shortly Deep
boring tests for load bearing factors of the
soil are being arranged. Raw material
suitability has been established both in
laboratory scale and in mill trial runs.
Long-term lease for raw material and for
other infra-structural requirements are
being negotiated with the State Govern-
ment. Training at the Saharanpur Ins-
titute of future workers has been taken up.

A Project Administrator is also being ap-
pointed shortly.

Manufacture of Gas Cylinders by Bharat
Pumps and Compressors Limited, Naini

3282. SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Bharat Pumps and Compres-
sors Limited, Nairn has finalised the colla-
boration arrangements for the manufacture
of gas cylinders;

, (b) if so, the broad outlines of colla-
boration arrangement's arrived at; and

<c) if not, the reasons for delay?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE*
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The
Company have entered into a collaboration
agreement with Messrs Showa Koatsu Kog-
yo Company of Japan for the manufacture
of High Pressure and Welded Gas Cylin-
ders and Axle Tubes. The terms of the
collaboration being in the nature of commer-
cial transaction cannot be disclosed*

Tannery and Footwear Corporation of India

3283. SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether raw material in sufficient
quantities has been made available to the
Tannery and Footwear Corporation of In-
dia Limited Kanpur, so that^the extract
plant can contribute a sizable value of pro-
duction and sales;

(b) whether sufficient quantities of sole
leather cutting have been made available
to the plant so that the production of leather
board can reach its optimum level; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) Tannery and Footwear Co-
rporation of India Ltd. is not experiencing
any difficulty in procurement of Myrabolan
Nuts for the manufacture of Extract Pow-
der. The production capacity of the Cor-
poration is approximately 80 M, Tonnes
per month on three shifts basis. However,
the main difficulty m running three shifts
in shortage of Coal owing to insufficient
allotment of Coal wagons. Their normal

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 160

139 Written Ans&rs

requirement is 25 wagons per month. Be-
sides, power cut of the 25 % recently imposed
all over U.P. State, has also affects adversely
full utilisation of their plant capaci-
ty.

(b) and (c). The Leather Board Plant is
running two shifts at present. Ihe Cor-
poration is facing difficulty in procuring
adequate quantity of Sole Leather cuttings
which are in short supply. The shortage is
due to decline in demand of leather sole
shoes and the shift in consumers preference
to rubber and synthetic sole footwear.

Press Information Bureau’s role In
the Development of Indian Press

3284. SHR1 C. CHITT1BABU . Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) how the Press Information Bureau
achieves its objective of assisting the growth
and development of the Indian Press as
a free and independent forum; and

(b) in what manner the Bureau serves
the small and medium news-papers barring
the items of service mentioned in the Minis-
try’s Annual Report, 1971-72 ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) The growth and develop-
ment of Indian Press as a free and inde-
pendent forum is sought to be assisted
mainly in the following ways : —

(1) by providing facilities to newspapers
and correspondents to receive official in-
formation without discrimination of any
kind ;

(2) wherever possubl. by giving the
Press direct access to sources of infer
mation, acting as a link between the Press
and the Government ;

(3) by ensuring that the views, reac-
tions and opinions expressed in the Press,

all over the country, are conveyed to the
Ministries and Departments concerned,
recognising the role of the Press in reflect-
ing public opinion ;

(4) by providing facilities to accredited
correspondents and cameramen to cover
governmental activities as adequately and
satisfactorily as possible ;

(b) A statement giving the leqvisite
information is attached.

Statemlnt

Press Information Bureau's services to
small and medium Newspapers

The Press Information Bureau supp-
lies Press releases, feature articles and
background notes to medium and small
news-papers, particularly those published
in the Indian language, day after day,
in their own languages through its icgional
and branch offices at the following 27
centres, apart from its Headquarters at
New Delhi .

Calcutta, Madras, Bombay, Gauhati,
Cuttack, Patna, Imphal, Agartala,
Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Poona, Panji,
Srinagar, Jammu, Jullundur, Lucknow,
Varanasi, Bhopal, Jaipur, Cochin, F.r-
nakuam, Hyderabad, Bangalore,
Trivandrum, Rajkot, indore, Vijaya-
wada and Shillong.

The output of feature articles and photo
features has been stepped up for the sake
of the medium and small newspapers
which cannot afford to engage qualified
writers or to pay to other organisations
for securing such material. A weekly
digest of news is specially prepared for
them and a special newsletter on develop-
ment in science and technology is made avail-
able to them in their languages.

Representatives of small and medium
newspapers are given facilities to visit
development projects as menbers of con-
ducted Press parties organised' by the

jt61 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (ShA/I)

Written Answers 182

Bureau. Correspondents/Editors of these
papers and of the smaller news agencies
are invariably included in Press parties
selected to accompany the President and
the Prime Minister on their foreign tours
The expenditure on travel and stay abroad
of these representatives is wholly, or largely
borne by Government

Accreditation rules have been relaxed
so that smaller newspapers are enabled
to be represented by then coriespondcnts
at Government of India's headquarters
The rule regarding minimum circulation
has been relaxed and m some cases the
combined cuculalion of two or more small
newspapers is taken into account if they
ask for accreditation of a common represen-
tative Twenty-five newspapers from diff-
erent paits of the country, have availed
of these relaxations so far

Loans To Cotton Textile Industry b>
Industrial Development Corporation
Limited

3285 SHRI C CH1TTIBABU : Will
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleaseed to slate the region-
wise break-up of Ihc 67 loans to the tune
of Rs. 1926 7 lakhs sanctioned by the
National Industrial Developmcni Corpo-
ration Limited to the Cotton Textile In-
dustry ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : A statement is laid on the Table
uf the House [Placed in Library . See
Ho Lt. — 3489/72]

Per Capita Investment for reducing
Unemployment in the Country

3286. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

(a) the number of unemployed in the
country ;

(b) the steps being taken to reduce
unemployment in the country ; and

,(c) the proposed per capita investment
for achieving that aim ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHAR1A) : (a) to (c). A state-
ment is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See Nv LT — 3490/72]

Industries in backward area by larger
Industrial Houses

3287. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
RENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to stale:

(a) the total number of industries, large-
scale, medium and small-scale in the indus-
trially backward areas of the country,
licensed for being set up by Large Industrial
Houses as listed by the monopolies Com-
mission,

(b) the total number of such industries
licensed so far for backward areas and what
percentage of them has been allocated to
the Large Industrial Houses and how many
of them have actually been set up and the
sector-wise and product-wise, break-up of
these industries since the inception of the
backward areas industrialisation scheme;
and

(c) the capital investment in each type of
industry classified product-wise and the
assistance given for the purpose by public
sector fihancmg institutions and the per-
centage of this aid* which went to large
Industrial Houses?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) Twelve licences have been issued

163 Written A

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Ammn IS#

<Uder the Industrie# (Development and
Regulation Act), 191ft, during the period
1st August, 1970 to $pth June, 1972, to the
Larger Houses'.

(b) During the period 1st August, 1970
to 30th June, 1972 a total of 75 industrial
licences were issued for location of indus-
tries in backward areas, 16% of which were
in respect of the large industrial houses.
Reports in respect of four of these units
have been received to the effect that they
have been set up. Details of all industrial
licences issued by Government are regularly
published in the “Weekly list of Industrial
Licenoes, Import Licences and Export
licences", the Weekly “Indian Trade Jour-
nal" and the monthly “Journal of Industry
and Trade”, copies of which are supplied
to the Parliament Library.

(c) A statement is giving, industry-wise,
the investment involved in respect of the
aforementioned 75 licences is laid on the
Table of the House [Placed in Library.
See No. LT — 3491/72]. Government assis-
tance to private sector industries is generally
given through the public financial Insti-
tutions. No central record of assistance
given company-wise to the holders of In-
dustrial licences is being maintained.

Uranium Reserves in Orissa

3288. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased
to state:

(a) the uranium reserves in Orissa; and

(b) other nuclear raw material reserves
available in that State?

(b) Significant concentrations of moon*
zite, alongwith other constituent minerals
of beach sands have been located in certain
parts of the coastal and deposits. A
number of beryl bearing pegmatites hate
also been found in Orissa.

Statement made by Dr. K. N. Raj on
Filth Plan targets

3289. SHRI H. M. PATEL : Will the
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to
state:

(a) whether attention of the Government
has been invited to a statement made in
Bombay by a well-known Economist, Dr.

K. N. Raj, Chairman of the Ceirmitlce on
Agricultural Taxation that the 5th Plan
targets are unrealistic;

(b) whether Government have studied
the ext of Dr. Raj’s statement; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The state-
ment in question presumably refers to the
Thirteenth Walchand Memorial lecture deli-
vered by Dr. K. N. Raj before the Maha-
rashtra Chamber of Commerce, Bombay
on Monday, the 24th July, 1972. As
regard Dr. Raj’s personal views contained
therein, it may be pointed out that the pre-
paratory work relating to the formulation
of the Fifth Five Year Plan is in its initial
stages and some clear picture about the
Fifth Plan is likely to emerge only by the
end of 1973. In the meantime, it would
rather be premature to have any conclusive
judgments on the issues under reference.

Utilisation of letter of Intents

3290. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH : Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether out of 42 Letters of Intent
issued during 1967-70, only six have made
some progress;

165 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1 894 (SAKA) Written Answers, 166

(b) if S0f the reasons for slow progress;

(e) the total number of letters of intent
issued in 1971; and

(d) (he steps being taken to accelerate the
progress in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). A statement showing
the number of Letters of Intent and In-
dustrial Licences issued during 1967, 1968,
1969, 1970 and 1971 separately is enclosed.
It is not clear from the question as to which
set of 42 Letters of Intent it relates.

(d) Government are taking steps to
•constitute an “Implementation Committee”
to review the position of implementation of
letters of intent and licences issued under
the Industries (Development and Regula-
tion) Act; examine delays with the holders
of such letters of intent and licences; iden-
tify specific problems faced generally on
particular industries which delay imple-
mentation and evolve solutions for them;
and take steps generally to expedite, matter
relating to registration of units, allocation
of raw materials, release of other scarce
resources, etc. A system of comprehen-
sive centralised record of the progress
of each application is also being .worked
out.

Statement

Year

No. of
letters of
Intent
issued

No. of
Licences
issued

1967 .

246

293

1968 .

154

221

1969 .

334

221

1970 .

438

363

1971

1015

625

Total . 2187 1723

CJU Ei 0*7 Mo Working of
Pfatiore

3291. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether any enquiry was made into
the functioning of Hindustan Machine
Tools, Piiyore (Haryana) by CB.I. and
the report was submitted to Government
in 1971;

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Tyre Factory in Public Sector

3292. SHRI K. MALLANNA :

SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN :

Will* the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state:

(a) whether tho proposal for setting up
a tyre factory in public sector has since
been finalised by Government;

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Government are con-
sidering whether a Joint Venture by both the
Central Government and the State Govern-
ments could be set up for the manufacture
of automobile tyres and tubes and also
whether the technical know-how could be
developed in a centralised agency. These
proposal, however, are in very preliminary
stages of consideratio n.

167 Written Answers £ AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 168

Allocation for mmnbfyi Development Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe
in Industrie* Section Officers in C.S.I.R.

3293. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minuter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND JECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state!

(a) whether Government propose to raise
allocation for research and development in
industries in the Fourth Five Year Plan;
and

(b) if so, by how much?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) (a) and (b). The gaps in research
and development in industries are being
examined and the question of raising allo-
cations for R & D wherevei necessary will
be considered. A number of incentives
have also been provided to intustrial firms
in the private sector for R & D expenditure.
Suitable measures for increasing support
for R 8c D in the private sector are also
being considered.

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3295, SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR ; Will the Minister of SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
stale :

(a) the total number of Section Officers
in Council of Scientific and Industrial
Research uplo June, 1972;

(b) the number of Scheduled Caste and
Scheduled Tribe Section Officers, separately;

(d) if not, the icasons for not providing
adequale icpiesentation to the Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the above-
mentioned cadi e 7

THE MINISTER Ob INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA-
N1AM) (a) 66 inclusive of 2 on deputation
to other Otgamsations

(b) 5 Scheduled Castes There is no
Ofticei belonging lo Scheduled Tribes

(d) Docs not anse.

Supply of Drinking Water in Villages of
Rajasthan

3296. SHRI N K SANGHI ■ Will the
Minisfei of PLANNING be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether by the end of the Fourth
Five Year Plan, Rajasthan will stilt have
20,898 villages with disease infected dunk-
ing water or no water at all;

(b) whethei the State Government has
asked the Central Government for adequate
financial assistance to initiate schemes for
supply of drinking water to these villages;
and

169 Written Answers BHADRA J, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

help fought for and the Government’s
reaction thereto?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE,
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRL
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The rele-
vant information is being obtained from the
Rajasthan Government and will be placed
on the Table of the House on receipt.

Quality and Production of Cars

3297 SHRI N. K SANGH1 :

SHR1 N K P. SALVE .

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state.

(a) whether Government are considering
a proposal to permit the existing car manu-
facturers to incicase their production,

(b) whether Government's attention has
been drawn to the N.CA V R estimate
according lo which each commercial vehicle
provides employment for an average 12 63
persons; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHLSHWAR PRA-
SAD) (a) An application for grant of
industrial licence for effecting expansion of
production capacity has recently been
received from one of the car manufacturers.
It is under examination.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(c) No decision as such was called for.
The employment potential of commercial
vehicles has been kept in view while planning
production of such vehicles.

Recruitment To C.K.P. and C.LS.F.
from Kerala

3298. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI
THANKAPPAN :

SHRI V \YALAR RAVI :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to stale :

(a) the strength of Central Reserve
Police and Central Industrial Security
Force in the country; and

(b) the proportion of recruitment made
from Kerala out of the total strength to
these Forces?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F.H. MOHS1N) : (a) The strength
of the Central Reserve Police Force is
60 duty battalions and 3 Signal battalions
and the Central Industrial Security Force
has 17 battalions.

(b) The proportion of recruitment from
Kerala m the Central Industrial Security
Force is approximately 10 per cent. Infor-
mation m respect of the Central Reserve
Police Force is being collected and will be
laid on the Table of the House.

However the recruitment to these forces
is not made State-wise.

Retrospective Amendment of Temporary
Service Rule-Objected to By J.C.M.

3299 SHRI SM. BANERJEE : Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state .

(a) whether after the Supreme Coun
judgment on Rule 5 m the case of K.V.
Gopinath Versus Union of India, Govern
ment have issued a Notification amending
Temporary Service Rule 5, retrospectively,
from 1965;

(b) whether this has been objeeted to
by the staff side of the J CM.; and

(c) whether Government are likely to
withdraw the same in view of the growing
discontent among the Central Govern-
ment employees throughout the country?

•

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNFL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

171 Written Answers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 172

Civil Services (Tempontfy Service) Rules,
IMS) in the case of Satior Superintendent
R.M.S. Cochin and another versus K.V.
Gopinath Sorter (AIR 1972 S.C. 1487)
decided on 18th February, 1972 were
examined in ail its aspects. The intention
of the rule had been that a temporary
employee whose services are terminated
forthwith should not be deprived of his
pay and allowances for the period of notice
of one month or for the period for which
the notice fell short of one month. This
view was also confirmed by an earlier
judgment of the Supreme Court in the case
of State of Uttar Pradesh versus Dina
Nath Rai (1969 Serv. L.R. 647). It has,
therefore, been considered necessary, in
view of the judgment of the Supreme
Court in Gopinath’s case, to make this
intention clear in unambigous terms. This
has been done by amending the proviso to
sub-rule(l) of Rule 5 of the Central Civil
Services (Temporary Service) Rules, 1965,
through Notification Number 4/2/72-F.sts
(O dated the 23rd June, 1972. Under this
amendment while a Government servant
whose services are terminated under the
Temporary Service Rules would get his
pay and allowances for the period of notice
or for the period for which the notice falls
short of one month, it is not obligatory
on the part of the competent authority to
make this payment simultaneously with the
service of the notice of termination. In
view o the position explained abov e, the
question of withdrawing the amendmen t
does not arise.

Inability Expressed by Members of National

Coondl of J.CJVL to Continue further
in view of Government’s Indifference

3300. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state:

t (a) whether the Staff side members of the
Nation*! , Council of J.GM. had ex-
pressed their inability to continue further

in the National Council of J.GM. because
of the Government’s indifference to some of
their vital demands; and

(b) whether this decision was taken at
the meeting of the J.C.M. of the National
Council held on 28th and 29th July, 1972
and if so, the reaction of the Government?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :
(a) and (b). At the meeting of the National
Council (JCM) held on the 28th July, 1972,
the Staff Side raised certain issues on whidh
they wanted definitive replies from the
Official Side. The Official side explained
the position of the Government on all the
issues. The Staff Side, however, stated
that they were not satisfied with the replies
given by the Official Side, and urged the
Official Side to make a further statement in
the Council on the next day, i.e., the 29th
July, 1972, explaining definitively Govern-
ment's position on each of the issues.
Accordingly, these points were discussed
again at length in the Council on the 29th
July, 1972, when the Official position was
further clarified. The Staff Side still ex-
pressed dissatisfaction, and stated that
unless Government gave clear cut decisions
on the issues in question, the Staff Side
would not continue further discussions,
under the J.C.M. The Chairman of the
Council, viz., the Cabinet Secretary; em-
phasised the importance which Government
attach to the smooth functioning of the
J.C.M., because of which decisions had been
taken in the past on various issued affecting
the conditions of service and welfare of the
employees, and explained that even in
regard to the issues which the Staff Side
raised at the meeting, the most feasible
replies in the circumstances of the country
had been given by the concerned Ministries/
Departments. There was no mala fide
on the Official Side. It was unfortunate
that the Staff Side found the replies un-

173 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

satisfactory* Government had to take an
overall view of various matters, and while
taking that view the wishes of the Staff
Side on doubt play a part. Government
could not, however, act on that considera-
tion alone. The Official Side had to take
into account the circumstances prevailing
in the country. The matter could be
examined further in due course. The
Staff Side thereupon state that unless
Government came up with quick and clear-
cut decisions on the issues raised by them,
no useful purpose would be served by con-
tinuing discussions on other matters in
the framework of the National Council
of the Joint Consultative Machinery,
though the various Committees set up
by the Council to consider various items
would continue to function as before.

Tt is hoped that in the light of the ex-
planations given and on further reflection
on the utility and benefitsof a joint con-
sultative mechanism, the Staff Side would
continue to participate in the deliberations
of the Council apart from participating in
its Committees which they are already
doing.

U.P. Bihar Boundary Dispute

3301. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI P. K. DEO :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Centre is likely to intervene
in the matter of Uttar Pradesh-Bihar boun-
dary dispute;

(b) if so, the reason for the same;

(d) whether both the State Governments
have accepted for Central intervention?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
R H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (d). Perhaps the
member has in view the boundary between

Ballia district of Uttar Pradesh and Sinn
and Shahabad districts of Bihar. This
boundary has been demarcated tinder the
Bihar and Uitar Pradesh (Alteration of
Boundaries) Act, 1968 and then b no dis-
pute regarding this matter. However, there
had been complaints from some cultivators
in the areas transferred under that Act
from one State to the other that their rights
over the lands are not receiving proper
recognition by the authorities of the State
to which the areas were transferred. The
State Governments have been advised to
take necessary remedial measures.

Eastern Zonal Council Meeting

3302. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether a meeting of the Eastern
Zonal Council presided over by the Prime
Minister was held in July, 1972;

(b) whether three Chief Ministers com-
plained of tardy bank credit flow to their
States, if so, the action taken in the matters;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes Sir.

(b) During the discussions on the scheme
of small/marginal farmers and agricultural
labourers, the Chief Ministers of West
Bengal and Bihar *referred to the difficul-
ties in regard to the flow of bank credit to
share croppers/tenants. As stated in reply
to Unstarred Question No. 2760 on 18th
August, 1972, steps are being taken by the
Ministry of Finance to ensure adequate
organisational machinery to simpliiy lend-
ing policies and procedures and to establish
greater rapport with the State Governments

175 Written Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 1 76

by active association of the banks with the
various Co-ordination Committees.

(c) A statement containing the list of the
subjects discussed at the meeting of the
Council is attached. Copies of the pro-
ceedings of the meeting embodying the
recommendations of the Council will be
placed in the Library of Parliament, after
the same has been finalised in consultation
with the members of the Council

Statement

List of Subjects Discussed at the Last
Meeting of the Eastern Zonal Council

Item Subject

No.

1 2

1. Settlement of the pre-merger co-
operative dues consequent upon the
transfer of territories from Bihar to
West Bengal (Transfer of Territories
Act, 1958).

2. Ban on movement of foodgrains and
enforcement of anti-smugghng measures
with the cooperation oflhe neighbouring
States.

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Tiring Haldipukhar Road and improve-
ment of Bahalda-Chaibasa Road.

5. Growing of Jute in the neighbouring
States.

6 Identification and accelerated develop-
ment of backward dl-eas.

7. Power.

8. Scheme for small/marginal farmers and
Agricultural Labourers.

9. Primary Health Centres.

10. National Malaria Fradication Pro-
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National — -

pressed the

11. Removal of domiciliary restriction on
admission to educational institutions.

12, Review of progress of implementation
of the scheme of safeguards for linguis-
tic minorities in the States of Eastern
Zone.

13 Measures for Plant Protection.

14. Control of cattle-pox epidemic.

15 Facility for practical training for engi-
neenng degree and diploma holders.

16 Review of action taken on the previous
decisions of the Eastern Zonal Council.

17. Date and place of the next meeting
of the Eastern Zonal Council.

18. Prevention of thefts and smuggling of
sculptures and other cultural treasurers

Robbery At Jabalpur Gun Factory

3303 SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state whether a gang of robbers
entered the Post Office at Jabalpur Gun
Carnage Factory on the 9th July, 1972 and
took away all the cash 7

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) :
There was no incident on 9th July. 1972.
However, on the 6th July, 1972 three out-
siders entered the Jabalpur Gun Carriage
Factory Post Office, assaulted and mur-
dered the sub-postmaster and two clerks.
No cash was looted

Production of Watches in H.M.T.,
Srinagar

3305. SHRI P GANGADEB :

SHRI K LAKKAPPA :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whethei the new watch factory of
Hindustan Machine Tools in Srinagar has
started producing watches;

1?7 Written Answers BH ADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 178

(b) how far these watches are better
than the watches produced elsewhere by
H.M.T.; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) The quality of watches to be produced
by the Srinagar watch factory would be on
par with the quality of watches produced
in the company's watch factory at Banga-
lore.

Production in Machine Tools
Corporation of India

3306 SHRJ P GANGADEB :

SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Machine Tools Corpo-
ration of India, a public sector undertaking,
has achieved a fourfold increase in output
in 1971-72,

(b) if so, the total production of grinders
and other equipments in 1970-71 and 1971-
7 2 produced by the Corporation, and

(c) whether the plant was set up in colla-
boration with Czechoslovakia and if so,
the assistance being provided by Czecho-
slovakia to the Corporation?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir The inciease was
about 4 3 times

(b) The production of Grinding Machines
went up from 8 Nos in 1970-71 to 65
Nos. in 1971-72. The other items produced
are special accessories. Jigs, Tools and

Fixtures etc., which are supplied to cus-
tomers at their request at extra cost and are
normally computed in terms of value. The
value of production for these accessories
etc. rose from Rs 8 89 lakhs in 1970-71 to
Rs. 23.33 lakhs in 1971-72.

(i) Preparation of Detailed Project Re-
port ;

(n) Initial supply of Plant and Equip-
ment ;

(m) Furnishing of Technological Docu-
* mentation in respect of certain
grinders;

(iv) Deputation of Czech experts for
erection, commissioning of plant
and start-up of production.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answer* 180

3310. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether many irregularities and mal-
practices have come to the notice of Govern-
ment regarding expenditure on Bangladesh
refugees; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government
to enquire into the matter and steps taken
or proposed to be taken against persons
responsible for such irregularities and mal-
practices in expenditure on Bangladesh
refugees?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). The requisite
information is being collected and will be
laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha by the
Ministry of Labour and Rehabilitation
due course.

Successful LA.S. and I.P.S. Candidates
diving the last three years

3311. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) the number of successful I.A.S.
and I.P.S. candidates for last three years;

(b) their break-up, State- wise;

(d) the number of I.A.S. Officers employed
in public sector undertakings?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON-
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :(a)

Year Number of success-

ful candidates appoin-

ted to

I.A.S.

I.P.S.

1969

100

1970

1971

111

(b) and (c). Two statements giving the
information are laid on the Table of the
House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT —
3492/72].

(d) 26.

Proposal for Change in Existing
system of Film Censors

3312. SHRI C. K. JAFFAR SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
Government’s consideration to make
changes in the present system of film censor;
and

(b) if so, the main features thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : (a) and (b). The entire question of
censorship of films has been examined by
the Enquiry Committee on Film Censor-
ship. The recommendations of the Com-
mittee have been examined in consultation
with the organisations and interests con-
cerned. Decisions on the recommendations
are likely to be taken shortly.

Subscriber Trunk Dialling System for
Southern States

3313. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
SHRI K. SUBRAVELU :

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to
introduce Subscriber’s Trunk Dialling Sys-
tem in Southern States; and

(b) if so, the salient features thereof?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) :
(a) Subscriber Trunk Dialling facility already
exists on 8 routes in the Southern Dialling
States. This facility will be extended to
other routes in a phased manner.

181 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 182

(b) The existing facilities permit inter-
diaHing between the subscribers of Madras,
Bangalore and Coimbatore 1 exchanges
through a trunk automatic exchange.
Trunk automatic exchanges have been
planned for 6 other centres in Southern
States. In addition, point to point sub-
scriber dialling is available on Madras-
Trichy, Madras-Chinglepet, Madurai-Trichy,
Madras-Madurai and Ooty-Coimbatore
routes. Point to point STD has been
planned for 20 additional routes in the
Southern States.

Selection of Additional Districts for Promo-
tion of Industries in Backward Areas

3314. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the coverage of the Central
Subsidy Scheme for promotion of industries
in the backward areas has been extended
and Centre has asked the State Governments
to forward their proposals to Planning
Commission for the selection of additional
districts in addition to those already
approved for the purpose of concessional
future; and

(b) if so, the main features of the pro-
posals?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and(b). Yes,
Sir. It has recently been agreed that within
the framework of the criteria adopted for
the selection of the districts/ areas to qualify
for the Central scheme of 10% subsidy for
promotion of industries in these districts/
areas, the coverage of the scheme may be
extended from 2 to 6 districts/areas in the
case of the States identified as industrially
backward, and from 1 to 3 districts/areas
in the case of the other States. A letter
in this regard has been addressed to the
Chief Ministers of all the States, requesting
them for their proposals for selection of

additional districts/areas. Proposals re-
ceived from some of the State Governments
are being considered.

Creation of a New Postal Division fur
Madhubani, Bihar

3315. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :WHJ
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether keeping in view the popula-
tion, border with Nepal and lack of proper
communication system due to floods it is
proposed to turn Madhubani in Bihar as
a new separate Postal Division; and

(b) : f so, main features thereof?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA -
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a)
For the present it has been decided for
administrative reasons not to bifurcate
Darbhanga Division which includes Madhu -
bani Revenue Sub-Division also.

(b) The question does not arise.

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Setting up of A Technology Service
Centre by National Committee on
Science and Technology

3318. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of SCIENCE
and TECHNOLOGY be pleased lo state

(a) whether the National Committee
on Science and Technology has any plan
for setting up a Technology Service Centre;
and

(b) if so, the main features of the plan
and its effect on the growth of industries 7

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA-
NIAM) : (a) and (bh The question of
setting up a Technical Sei vices Centre
which would conduct techno-economic
review of patent literature and feed pro-
mising hew ideas and know-how to Research
and deveolpment Institutions, industries
and enterpreneurs seeking new products
is under consideration of the National
Committee on Science and Technology.
Such a measure is expected to result in

numerous direct and indirect benefits
such as avoidance of foreign know-how
and collaboration in some cases, saving
in cost of duplication of research, etc.

Statement by Tamil Nadu Industries
Minister Re: Industrial Policy

3319. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA . Will the Minister of INDUS-
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to
state :

(a) whether his attention has been diawn
to the remarks made by the Tamil Nadu
Industries Minister published in the Indian
Express dated the 29th July, 1972 under
the caption '‘industrial Policy Vague",
and

(b) if so, the icaclion of Government
thereto 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR PRA-
SAD) (a) and (b). Government are aware
of the news item lefened to by the Honour-
able Member Government's industrial |>o-
liey is not vague; n lavs down clear guide-
lines calculated to promote rapid indus-
trial growth consistent with our socio-
economic objectives.

Incentive for qualifying in Devanagri
Telegraphy

3320 SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMMU-
NICATIONS be pleased to stale :

(a) whether Government are giving any
incentive to the officials who qualify in
Devanagri telegraphy ; and

fb) if so, the number of such officials
who are getting the benefits and the total
amount thus granted ?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA):
(a) Yes. Sir. The telegraphists and Postal

II B5 Written Answers

BHADRA 1*1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 186

Signallers are eligible tot one advance
increment when they qualify in Hindi Morse
arid another advance increment when they
qualify in Hindi Teleprinter. This is
made effective from 1-1-1970.

(b) The particulars are being collected
from the Subordinate units concerned and
will be placed on the Table of the House.

Protest Day Observed by Muslim League

and other muslim organisations against
Passage of Aligarh Muslim
University Bill

3321. SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Muslim League and
other Muslim Organisations observed 16lh
June, 1972, as a protest day against the
passage of the Aligarh Muslim University
Bill throughout the country, and

<b) if so, the reaction of the Government
of India in this regard ,}

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) . (a) In response to a
call given by the Aligarh Muslim University
Old Boys' Convention Council, the Muslim
League and the Muslim Majlis, 16th June,
1972 was observed a; a piotesl day against
the Aligarh Muslim University (Amend-
ment) Act, 1972 in several parts of the
country

(b) Government feel that the agitation
is based on a misconception of the Act and
is completely uncalled for

Joint Sector for participation by Finan-
cial Institutions in Major Projects

3322. SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to stale :

(a) whether the joint sector envisaged
earlier for a greater degree of managerial
participation by financial institutions in

case 6f major projects has been described
in official and non-official circles as a virtual
non-starter;

(b) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn to a report published
in the 'Economic Times’ dated 1 Uh June,
1972 in this connection; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) to (c). Government are aware
of the news item referred to by the Honour-
able Member The ‘joint sector’ concept
envisaged by the Government has not
failed.

Industrial Survey of Districts

3323 SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided
to survey every District of India to deter-
mine Us industrial potential;

(b) if so, the time by which the survey
work is likely to be started; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) to (c). As part of the general
strategy of development, surveys of dis-
tricts have been undertaken by the Small
Scale Industries Development Organisation
and other bodies. Reports of surveys
conducted by the Small Scale Industries
Development Organisation are forwarded
to the State Governments who take further
action to promote new small enterprises
having scope for development. These
small scale units are also assisted in expan-
ding, diversifying and modernising their
production.

187 . Written Answers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Amm 188

Anfataac e to$anU Scale Sector

3324. SHRI B/JcSI NAYAK : Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have effected
some changes in the pattern of assistance
to the small scale sector;

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Recommendations of British Forensic
Expert Re : Development of Forensic
Medicine For Criminological
Research in India

33 25. SHRI INDRAJTT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a British Forensic expert
was invited to India in early 1972 to advise
Government of India regarding the deve-
lopment of Forensic Medicine for crimi-
nological research;-

(b) if so, the nature of this main recom-
mendations and action taken thereon; and

(c) whether Government propose to
include members of different branches of
Forensic Science in the Central Advisory
Committee of Forensic Science and the
Institute of Crimindiogy aqd Forensic
Science, which are at present mainly police-
oriented ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS :
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN ; (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The main recommendations made by
the expert are—

(i) All the forensic laboratories in
India should be taken over from
State control and put under the
Cential administration.

(ii) The pay scales of the Scientists
working in these laboratories should
be improved.

(iii) The structure of these labors'
tories should be reoiganised to pro-
vide better incentive for work.

(iv) The Chemical Analysers’ Labors,
tories should be amalgamated with
the Forensic Science Laboratories.

(c) The Central Advisory Committee on
Forensic Science is being replaced by a
Standing Committee on Forensic Science
to be set up under the Police Research and
Development Advisory Council.

This Committee will consist mainly of
Forensic Experts. There are only two po-
lice officers in the Institute of Criminology
and Forensic Science, the remaining staff
consisting of academicians and Forensic
Experts.

Promotion of Gass TV Employees to the
Grade of Lower Division Clerics

3326. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
the consideration of Government to promote
Class IV Employees after rendering a cer-
tain period of service and considering
qualifications to the grade of Lower Divi-
sion Clerks ;

(b) whether Government have received
any memorandum fot promotion of Gfcss
IV Employees as Lower Division Clerks ;
and

189 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 190

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No
Sir.

(b) and (c). Memotanda are being re-
ceived occasionally from Class IV employees
for their promotion as Lower Division
Clerks. The position in this regard is that
Class III is not a promotion post for Class
IV employees as the nature of duties of the
two posts are altogether different and as the
experience in the Class IV posts would not
be of any value in the LDCs post. How-
ever, with a view to giving an opportunity
to educationally qualified Class IV emplo-
yees for entry into Class III posts, a number
of concessions have been provided under
which such Class IV employees can regis-
ter their names with the Employment Ex-
change for Class III posts and on nomi-
nation by the Employment Exchange, they
can be considered for appointment to such
posts after giving weightage of age relaxa-
tion to the extent of their service in Class
IV, they can also be considered for appoint-
ment in Class III in the offices in which they
are working even though their names may
not be amongst those sponsored by Employ-
ment Exchange. In addition, reservations
have also been provided for Class IV em-
ployees to the extent of 10% of the vacan-
cies in the posts of Lower Division Clerks
to be filled on the basis of a test confined
to Class IV employees who have put in at
least five years of service in a Class IV
post possess matriculation or equivalent
qualification and who are 45 years of age
(50 years for Scheduled Castes and Sche-
duled Tribes). This scheme is not appli-
cable to Railways, P&T and the Indian
Audit & Accounts Department who have
their own schemes for appointment of their
Class IV employees to Class III posts.

the light of the facts stated above,
it is not proposed to take any further action
in this matter.

Disturbed Area earmarked in T riptmi

3327. SHRI SIREN DUTTA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be phased
to state :

(a) whether any area has been declared
as disturbed area in Tripura ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). Facts
are being ascertained from the Government
of Tripura.

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 192

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3330 SHR1 RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :

SHRICK JA1TFR SHAR1FT •

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMFNI AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to slate.

(a) whether some closed factories of
cement in Japla (Bihar) have started func-
tioning recently , and

(h) if so, the total daily production of
those factories in tonnes 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT SHRI SI DDE! FISH WAR
PRASAD) • (a) Yes, Sir. Sonc Valley Port-
land Cement Company at JarJa (Rj )
which stopped pioduction on the 1st May,
1^71, restarted its pioduction from the
5th July, 1972.

(b) The daily average production of cement
at this factory for the period from 5th July,

% tyft (s*T) fan tftfar tonnes.

J972 to 13th August, 1972 is about 298

193 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

'Written Answers 194

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Inflated Telephone Bills

3332 SHRI RAMAVATAR SIIASTRI :

DR KARNI SINGH •

Will the MinMci of COMMUNI-
CATIONS be pleased to stale :

(a) whether Governinent are aware of the
faet that the problem of in Hated telephone
bills still continues, even after the matter
was discussed several times in Parliament ,
and

(b) if so, the steps Government piopose
to take to put an end to this scandal ?

41 LSS72 — 9

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) :
(a) Yes, Sir. The allegation continues
to be made by a very small percentage of
the subscribers specially in the Capital.

(b) The Committee of Petitions while
examining a petition from some of the
Delhi subscribers have recommended that
an expert committee consisting of, among
others, independent, technical accounts
experts should be appointed by the Govern-
ment to examine the working of Delhi
Telephones with particular reference to its
billing system, workinc of the STD system,
procedure for investigation into com*
plaint s of over-billing and suggest cfTective
moasuics to streamline the working of
Delhi Telephones and to remove the causes
of excessive billing at eai hest The appoint-
ment of the committee is pending clearance
fiom the Estimates Committee, which also
proposes to look into the estimates of the
Ministry of Communications

Sabotage Activities b> certain Anti-So-
cial and Anti-National Elements In Jammu
and Kashmir

3331 SHRI PILOOMODY . Will the
Minisicj of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to state

fa) whether thcie have been cases of
sabotage activities on the part of certain
anii-social and anti-national elements in
various parts of Jammu and Kashmir din-
ing the last thiec months ;

(b) if so, the ria'ure thereof ; and

THE. PRIMF MINISTER , MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
El ECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING AND
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHR1MATI
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b).

] 95 Written Answers

AUGUST 23* 1972

Written Answers 196

The State Gov^SShment have reported
that in June, 1972 an underground
subversive cell came to notice whose
intension was to attack lone Army and
Police guards as well as vital installations.
The concerned persons have been appre-
hended and detained.

Development of Ladakh

3334. SHRI KUSHOK BAKUIA :
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Ladakh region in Jammu
and Kashmir is the most backward area
economically, educationally and indus-
trially;

(b) whether any proposal to declare this
region as scheduled area under the pro-
visions of the Constituation and to extend
all possible help, financial or otherwise,
to develop the region; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) The

Ladakh region in Jammu and Kashmir
is backward e.onomically, industrially
and educationally.

(b) and (c) . The constitutional pro-
visions relating to scheduled areas do not,
at present, apply to Jammu and Kashmir.
However, the real problem is to accelerate
the economic development of this region
and Government are making all possible
efforts towards this end. Investments for
the Ladakh region during various plan
periods have steadily been increased. A
statement is attached.

Statement

Programmes in Ladakh on which special
attention is being given include construction
of roads, rural electrification, development
of wool and sheep, improvement of edu-
cational and health centres, construction
of Stakna Hydel project and development
of horticulture. Investments made in
Ladakh since the beginning of the First
Plan are as under

First Five Year Plan

(Rs. in
Lakhs)

2.41

Second Five Year Plan

8.54

Third Five Year Plan

143.80

1966-67 ....

56.72

1967-68 ....

31.42

1968-69 .

44.33

Total :

287.22

For the Fourth Plan an outlay of
Rs 6 crores has been approved for Ladakh
region During the first three years a sum
of Rs. 2.48 crores would have been spent.
Progress has been particularly good under
minor irrigation and power sectors.

Request made by Government of Gujarat

or a Licence to set up a Project for the
Manufacture of T.V. sets

3335. SHRI FATES1NGHRAO GAEK-
WAD : Will the PRIME MINISTER be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Union Government have
received any application from the Govern-
ment of Gujarat for a licence to set up t pro-
ject for the manufacture of television sets,
if so, the outlines of the scheme ; and

(b) whether the Central Government
have since examined the application , and
if so, the decision taken thereon 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Docs not arise.

19? Written Answers

BHADRA 1, 1894(5^/1)

Written Answers 198

Setting up of a T.V. Station At Baroda

3336. SHRI FATE SINGH RAO GAEK-
WAD : Will the Minister of INFOR-
MATION AND BROADCASTING be
pleased to state whether Government pro-
pose to set up a T.V. Station at Baroda
during the current year ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR
SINHA) : No. Sir.

Utilisation of letters of intent issued to
State Industrial Development Corporations

3337. DR. RANEN SEN :

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE-
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TE-
CHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the news item appearing in
the ‘Hindustan Standard’, Calcutta dated
the 26th July, 1972 that a large number of
letters of Intent remain unutilised by some
State Industrial Development Corporations;

(b) if so, the names of such States and the
reasons for non-utilisation ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHW AR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c) . Yes, Sir.

Government are aware that progress
in the implementation of letters of
intent issued in favour of the State
Industrial Development Corporations
needs to be accelerated, particularly in
view of the important role expected to be
played by these Corporations in the setting
up of new industries. The mattei has been

taken up with all the State Chief Ministers^
They have been requested to review the pro-
gress personnaly and inform this Ministry
of the reasons for delay, if any, and to
bestow close and continuous attention tc
the implementation of these projects act
removal of local bottlenecks. Hie replies
of the Chief Ministers are being received,
whereafter the progress of individual pro-
jects will be assessed, reasons for delay and
bottlenecks identified and remedial steps,
if required, taken.

Revision of Telephone Tariff policy Regard-
ing Distance for Local Calls in Rural Areas

3338. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY J
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA-
TIONS be plased to state :

(a) whether Government are considering
revision of Telephone Tariff Policy to classi-
fy areas up to 20 KMs. radious from the
District Headquarters or Taluq Head-
quarters Exchanges as local areas within
which all calls would be charged for as
local calls ; and

(b) if not, whether Government propose
to consider such a revision in rural interests?

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI-
CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) :
(a) No, Sir.

(bl No, Sir, not for the present.

Setting up of a Censor Board [for Films
at Hyderabad

3339. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of INFORMATION!
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether Government of Andhr*
Pradesh has renewed its plea to Centra
Government to reconsider its decision in
regard to setting up of a Censor Board for
Films at Hyderabad ; and

199, Written Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 200

(b) if so, the reaction of Government

thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BRO VDCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA) : (a) No further communi-
cation on this subject has been received
from the State Government since
December 1970.

(bl Attention is invited to the replies
given in this House to the Unslarred ques-
tions Nos. 2521 dated 1-12-71 and 6543
dated 17-5-72 that the number of films
produced in the region docs not justify
opening of a regional office of the Central
Board of Film Censors at Hyderabad
This position remains unchanged.

Charges against Rehabilitation Official
in Tripura

3340 SHRI BIREN DUTTA ■ Will
the Minister of HOME AFF MRS be pleased
to state :

fa) whether Central Vigilance Commis-
sion have started enquiry into alleged cor-
ruption by Rehabilitation Department offi-
cial in Tripura ; and

(b) if so, what are their findings ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THL
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
(SHRI F. H MOHSIN) : (a) and

(b). According to the information
received from the Department of
Rehabilitation, the Central Vigilance Com-
mission is not making any enquiry into the
alleged corruption by Rehabilitation Depart-
ment officials in Tripura. However the
Central Bureau of Investigation is
making an enquiry into the allegations re-
lating to malpractices in the construction
of refugee huts in North Tripura, In view
of the complex nature of the case, investi-
gation is likely to take about six months.

Publishing of “Yojana” in Tehigu or
Kannada,

3341. SHRI P. NARASTMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be
pleased to state :

fa) the reasons why the Planning Com-
mission's journal “Yojana” is not being
published in Tclugu and Kannada; and

(b) whether Government would undei-
takc to do so expeditiously?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO-
HAN DHARIA) : (a) Government has em-
barked on a programme of bringing out the
editions of Yojana in oui majoi languages
in a phased manner. This is because of the
obvious difficulties of bringing out all the
editions at once

(b) As part of this piogrammc, it is pro-
posed to bung out the Tclugu edition during
1972-^3 Preliminary anangemcnU ic-
gaiding financial allocation, office accommo-
dation, cditonal and service stall*, and otliei
requiiements of ihe Kannada edition will
be taken in hand during 1973-74

Range of Delhi T.V. Station

3342 Dr KARNI SINGH ■ Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) the piescnt iangc of the Delhi TV.
Station;

(b) whether Government propose to in-
crease its range so that people living in
distant areas may also benefit; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA) : (a) 60 Kilometres.

(b) and fc). The present range of Delhi
TV Centre is proposed to be increased to
about 90 kms around Delhi by raising the

201 Written Answers

BHADRA l 9 \m (SAKA)

Written Answers 202

power of the existing transmitter and the
height of the antenna. A relay transmitter
is also proposed to be installed at Mus-
soorie for relaying Delhi programmes. This 1
will have an independent range of 165 kms.
The entire project is expected to be complet-
ed by the middle of 1975.

Erratic readings by Telephone Call
Recording Machines

3343 OR KARNI SINGH . Will the
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to slate :

(a) whcthci the telephone calls lecoiding
machines paiticularly of t: link tails luve of
late been giving erratic readings;

(b) if so, the quantum of loss occasioned
to the subscribers; and

Till. MINIS TLR Oh COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHR1 H N BAHUGUNA) : (a)
No, Sir

(b) and (c) Question docs not arise

Tenure of J.P.S. Officers on Deputation
to Ministries.

3344 SHRI VI JAY PAL SINGH .Will
the Minister of HOME Af FAIRS be pleased
to state .

(a) the names of Mmislues/Dcpratments
in which officers of the Indian Police Ser-
vice have been brought on deputation for
appointment as Deputy Dircctois/Directois/
O S.Ds , Vigilance Divisions/Scetions;

(b) whether any tenure has been fixed
for appointment of such deputationist l.P.S.
Officers against the above posts, if so, what;

(c) whether some of these deputationist s
have stayed in one Ministry for more than
5-6 years if so, the reasons for their con-
tinued stay; and

(d) the steps Government propose to take
to fix the tenure of deputation and appoint-
ment of such officers in one Miitfstry/De-
partment to ensure healthy administration

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN)- (a) to (d). The informa-
tion is being collected.

Select list of Central Secretariat Service
Selection Grade Officers for appointment
as Joint Secretaries submitted to
P.M. Secretariat

3345. SHRI VJJAY PAL SINGH : Will
the .PRIME MINISTER be pleased to
state :

(a) whether a select list of Central Secre-
tariat Seivice Selection Grade Officers for
appointment as Joint Secretaries was sub-
mitted by the Establishment Board to the
Prime Minister's Secretariat for appiovai
in Fcbruaiy, 1972;

(b) whether the select list has not yet
been approved; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS
AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
PI RSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS
M1RDHA) : (a) A suitability list was pre-
pared by the Senior Selection Board in
February, 1972 and was submitted /or the
approval of the Prune Minister in middle
of March, 1972.

(b) and (c). The mattei is under consi-
deration

Scooter Plant at Lucknow.

3346. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI:
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether the primary purpose of setting
up the proposed giant Scooter Plant at Luck-
now with foreign equnty participation by

203 Writtentynswers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 204

Innocenti of Italy..# to supply the domestic
market; and

(b) if so,' the reasons why Government
have gone for foreign collaboration with
equity participation, when there was enough
scope for expanding production in the exis-
ting scooter plants in India?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The proposals to
set up a joint sector project and to grant
expansion to the existing manufacturers
arc not mutually exclusive. The existing
gap between demand and supply for scooters,
the growth of demand in future and the
prospects of export of scooters will provide
sufficient scope for expansion of the exist-
ing units and the setting of a new project in
the joint sector. The Government have,
therefore, decided to set up a Scooter Pio-
ject in the Joint Sector by acquiring the en-
tire scooter manufacturing plant of M/s.
Jnnocenti at Milano, Italy, on “as is where
is" condition, together with the drawings,
designs and technical data for the manu-
facture of the latest models of Lambretta
scooters. The project envisages export of a
part of its production.

Participation by the Indian firm and the
Italian firm will bring to the project the
benefit of the experience of both of them in
management and production techniques and
result in the speedy implementation for
the project.

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Reorganisation of Engineering Division in
Orissa Circle

3352. SURF ARJUN SETHI : Will the
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas-
ed to state :

(a) whether re-organisation of Engin-
eering Divisions and Sub-Divtsions in
Orissa Circle have since ljeen completed;

(b) if not, when the re-organisation is
likely to be completed; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) :
(a) Yes, Sir.

207 Wriften ^tnswers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 208

(b) Does not drtee. BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM

(c) No, Sir. Balasore will continue to
be Sub-Divisional Headquarters. A new
Telegraph Engineering Division at Bhub-
neshwar and four new Telegraph Sub-Divi-
sions at Keonjhar, Jeypore, Titlagarh and
Jhasuguda are being created in Oiissa Or-
cle.

Extension of Head Post Office Building at
Bhadrak, Balasore, Orissa

3353 SHRI ARJUN SET III Will the
Minuter of COMMUNICATIONS he
pleased to state :

(a) whether the proposed extension to the
existing Head Post Office building at Bhad-
rak, Balasore, Orissa has been completed,

(b) if not, the bottlenecks that arc hold-
ing up the speedy completion; and

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) .
(a) Administrative approval and expendi-
ture sanctioned for the woik for a sum of
Rs. 2,54,250 /- has since been issued The
work is budgted for the year 1973-74

(b) and (c) The case is being piocessed
to ensure that the work is taken up in early
1973-74.

Expansion of Air Station nt Cuttack, Orissa

3354. SHRI ARJUN SETHI . Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to slate :

(a) whether proposed expansion of A I R.
Cuttack, Orissa lias been taken up now;
and

(b) if so, the time by which the expansion
work is likely to be completed?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND

BIR SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The target dates for the completion
of the installations at Cuttack are as follows :

(0 High Power Transmitter — March,
1974

(u) Pcimanent Studios— June, 1975.

Idle capacity in Tractor Industry
SHRI RAM PRAKASH Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SC1LNCE AND IECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to suite .

(a) whether tractor industry m the coun-
try is under the gup of icccssion, having low
capacity utilisation and shaip iall in pro-
fits and piohtdbiiny, and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ,}

I he DIPUTY MINISIIR IN THE
MINISTRY Ol INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHT SHWAR
PRASAD) (a) At present there is a set-
back in demand lot U actors and some of the
factories are woiking below capacity.

(b) Government feel that this is a tem-
porary phenomenon and that the demand
foi tiactors will pick up in the coming years.

Production in Kliadi and Village
Industries

3356 SHRI RAM PRAKASH Will the
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO-
LOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether (here has recently been de-
cline in the production in Khadi and Village
Industries; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE DLPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) . (a) Nor, Sir.

(b) Docs not arise.

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H.M.T. Automatic Watches.

3357. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether H M.T. has started manu-
facturing automatic watches; and

(b) if so, the expected annual pioduclion
thereof and the tune by which they arc like-
ly to be made available to public and at
what cost 9

THE DLPUIY MINISTi R IN THL
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DI"VL-
LOPM I: NT (SHRI SI DDH L S H W A R
PRASAD) (a) H M F has just mailed
assemb’v of automatic day and date wiisi
watches and the first phase of manufacluic
of components will be started shortly

(b) The annual pioduction of automatic
day and date wnst watches by the watch
factory (Factory No II) at Bangalore would
be 2,00,000 wnst watches by 1977-78.
During the year 1972-73 the company’s
watch factory No II at Bangaloie will
assemble 20,000 automatic day and date wrist
watches out of unpoited components
These walchcs are expected to be released
foi sale at a price of Rs. 300/- per watch
exclusive of taxes duiing October, 1972

Kcorgam/atinn of the Directorate of
Technical Development.

3358. SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL Di"\ F-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY he pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have chalked
out any ptogramme to reorganise the Dnec-
toralc of Technical Development, if so, the
reasons therefor; and

(b) the steps taken by Government in
this regard and the progress achieved 9

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SJDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Request made by Electronic Division of
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for a Licence
to produce Television Receivers rejected by
Electronics Commission

3359. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will
the PRIM l MINIS! ER be pleased to state ;

(a) whether the icqucst made by the Elec-
t ionics Division of the Hindustan Acionau-
rics Limdcd, for a licence to produce tele-
vision icceivers was rejected by the Electro-
nics Commission;

(h) if so, the grounds on which the icquest
was rejected;

( c ) whcthei the Hindustan Aeronautics
Limited has renewed its request for the li-
cence, and

(d) if so, whether the Electronics Com-
mission is likely to icconsider its earlier
decision in this icgaid?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINIS I RY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI
K C PANE) (a) and (b) In response to a
Ei css Note issued by the Department invit-
ing applications fiom piospcctive entre-
picncuis to set up a total capacity of over
2,00,000 TV sets per year Hindustan Aero-
nautics Ltd . Hvdeiabad (HAL), a wholly
Cenlial Government owned Public Sector
Undertaking, had also applied along with
others for manufacture of television sets
and TV components. The Electronics
Commission aftci taking into account ail
aspects of the case recommended to the
I iccnsmg Committee rejection of the appli-
cation of HAL for the nfan ufac l ure of TV
sets for the following main reasons ■ —

(i) Ilcctronics Corporation of India
Ltd , Hyderabad (LC1L), also a
wholly Central Government owned

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 212

Public Sector 'Undertaking, has been
licensed for * capacity of 20,000
TV sets per annum; this was mainly
because ECIL had earlier been li-
censed for manufacture of Closed
Circuit TV systems, (CCTV) and
TV sets for the Satellite Instructional
and Television Experiment (SITE)
programme. ECIL produces elec-
tronic items of a general nature and
has a marketing/sales organisation
being developed for this.

(ii) Andhra Pradesh Small Scale Indus-
tries Development Coi poration, a
wholly owned State Government
Undertaking, has been accorded
approval for manufacture of 5,000
T.V. sets per annum. This was to
support the Small Scale Sector in
Andhra Pradesh.

(iii) No TV Station is planned to be set
up in Andhra Pradesh in the Fourth
Plan Period. A capacity of 25,000
sets has been sanctioned for produc-
tion in Andhra Pradesh out of a total
capacity of 2,28,000 sets sanctioned
for the whole of India.

HAL Hyderabad manufacture highly
sophisticated electronics equipments at
present entirely for defence purposes. A
letter of intent has been given to them for
manufacture of special TV components which
involve sophisticated technology.

(c) and (d). HAL’s renewed request for
the licence for manufacture of TV sets is
under the consideration of the Electro-
nics Commission.

Committee to examine Government Policy
on Advertisements

3360. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will

the Minister of INFORMATION AND

BROADCASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there have been frequent
complaints from newspapers regarding

Government’s policy on advertisements »
and

(b) if so, whether Government intend to
appoint a Committee to examine the present
policy on advertisements?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Shortage of Raw Materials in Small Scale
Industries.

3361 SHRI S A. MURUGANATNHAM *
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased lo state :

(a) whether stoppage of production or
undor-ui ihsatioa of capacity in several
large units is posing a problem to ihousands
of ancillaiy units m the small scale sector;

(b) whether shortage of vital raw materials
is also affecting production in the small
scale sector; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) The problem, so fai, has
not caused any gicat concern lo the small
scale sector.

(b) and (c). The supply of raw materjal,
imported as well as indigenous, has cons-
tantly been on the increase. Steps are being
taken to further enhance the allocation of
raw-material to the small scale sector to
ensure larger utilisation of capacity in this
sector.

Setting up of a Technology and Patent Data
Bank

3362. SHRI S. A. MURUGANA-
NTHAM : Will the Minister of CIENCE
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

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BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 214

(a) whether there is a proposal to set up
a technology and patent data bank to collect,
collate and disseminate information abo.ut
science and technology; and on most mo-
dem lines; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY (SHR1 C. SUBRAMA-
NLAM) ; (a) and (b). Yes A Committee
has been constituted to woik out the
details.

Applications for setting up of Industries in
Backward Areas of Bihar

3364. SHRIAMUNA PRASAD MAN-
DAL : Will he Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
any applications foi setting up industries in
the backward Districts of Bihar during the
current year;

(b) if so, the number of applications
received and the type of industries proposed
to lie set up there;

if so, the names thereof, and
•

(d) if not, the reasons therefor’

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Seven (upto 31-7-72) for items such as
wheat products, iron & steel pipes, high
tensile steel wires and woollen tufted car-
pets.

A.I.R. Trails behind Radio Pakistan

3365. SHRI P. K. DFO : Will the Minis-
ter of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state :

(a) whether attention of Government
has been invited to a report in the Mother-
land dated the 20th June, 1972 under the
caption ‘AIR Trails behind Radio Pakis-
tan, ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government jn
this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM
BIR SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Government have noted a genet al
lonmg down of hostile broadcasts fiom
Radio Pakistan. Howevei, some instances
of violation of the agreement on cessation
of hostile propaganda have been brought
to the notice of the Pakistan Govern-
ment

Utilisation of Idle Capacity in 54
Industries

3366 SHRI P. K. DFO : Will the Minis-
ter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND SCIENCF AND TECHNOLOGY
be pleased to state :

(a) the total idle capacity in 54 selected
industries in the country;

(b) the percentage of utilisation of the
industi lal capacity in the entire Private
Sector , and

(c) the steps, • if any, proposed to be
taken by Government for full utilisation
of industrial capacity in the country in
both public and private sectors?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). A statement based
on lecords maintained by the Directorate

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 2 1 6

General of Technical Development, is laid
on the Table of the House. [Placed in Li-
brary . See No. LT-3493/72].

(i) Permission for doubling of capacity/
mult ishil'l woi king in 54 selected
industries Undei takings which
had been licensed on single o> double
shift basis in ihc specified industries
have been pci milted to nminvsc
utilisation of their capacity. In
other cases, they have been permitted
to increase their production uplo
100°' of the licensed capacity sub-
ject to ccitain conditions I his
facility is ficcly gi anted to all except
the largci houses and foreign firms
who have to apply for such facility
to a specially constituted Task Koicc
in Mie Mmistiy of Industrial Develop-
ment for consideration of their cases
on merit

(ii) Industrial undertakings have been
permitted *o diversify their produc-
tion for the manufacture of new ar-
ticles to the extent of 2*°' of the
licensed capacity without the for-
mality of obtaining an indiislnul
licence, subject to certain conditions

(iii) Increased licensing of imported steel
and other raw materials for increas-
ing capacity utilisation by industry.

(iv) Increased investment outlay on Plan
projects.

(vj In respect of the public sector,
additional measures include diversi-
fication, export -orientation, efficient
maintenance and management, im-
port of essential components and
matcnal not indigenously available
and better tiaming and facilities tor
labour.

Dispersal of Industries

3367. SHRJ K. KODANDA RAMI RED-
DY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE
AND TFCHNOl OGY be pleased to slate :

(a) whether Goveinmcnt are aware that
concentration of industries in a few places
has created more problems than solving
any; and

(b) whether Government aie thinking of
any far leaching modilicalior s while sanc-
tioning new industries?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVF-
I O PM ENT (SIIRI SI DP HI SHWAR

PRASAD) (a) and (b) . Government fullv
iccogmscs ilic need foi avoiding concentra-
tion of indust i ics in a few places. Paia-
giaph 15 of the Industnal Policy Resolution
of the 30th Apnl, 1956, rcnciatcs Govern-
ment's intention that indusuiahsalion should
benefit the economy of ihe country as a
whole, and that disparities in t he levels ot
development between different areas and
regions in the country should be progres-
sively reduced as tar as possible It has
been the constant endeavour of the Govern-
ment to translate this policy into action.
In licensing new capacities, aicas which
aic deficient in certain lines of manufacture
arc given special preference m the establish-
ment of new capacities in those lines As
I sir as is possible and feasible, ueightagc is
always given to applications from backward
regions. Schemes of outright subsidy and
concessional finance from public financial
institutions have been initiated for selected
backward distncts.

Relaxation in enforcement of Law in cases

of Trials of the Surrendered Dacoits

3368 SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased
to slate :

(a) whether any approach has been made
by the State Government of Madhya Pra-

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BHADRA 1,1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 218

desh for the relaxation in the enforcement
of la^v in the cases of dacoits who have sur-
rendered voluntarily and are now facing
trials of various offences committed by them ;
and

(b) if so, in what manner would such re-
laxation be possible?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOMF AFFAIRS (SHRI
F. H. MOHSIN) . (a) No, Sir

(b) Docs not anso

Sufficiency of Telephone and Telegraph equip-
ment and losses suffered due to its pilferage

3369 SHRI S C. SAMANTA : Will the
Ministci of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state

(a) how long Government will take to
meet the demands fully of Telephone and
Telegraph wiles and other equipments; and

(b) the losses suffered by Government
on account of pilferages in 1970-71, 1971-
72 and uplo the 30th June, 1972 1 ’

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) • (a)
The two major sources of supply of Tele-
communications stores and equipment vi/
ITI and HCE are in the process of conti-
nuous expansion Undei the HCL a
2nd cable factory is being opened at Hy-
derabad and the existing cable factory at
Rupnarainpur is being expanded. Under
the 1T1 a 2nd transmission factory has been
set up at Naim, a 2nd instruments factory
is being set up at Naim and a 2nd switch-
ing factory is under active consideration.
There arc, however, shortages m raw mater-
ials including steel, aluminium, zinc etc.
and of electronic and other components
etc and it may take a considerable time be-
fore Government is able to fully meet the
demand for telecommunication stores and
equipment indigenously. The Govern-
ment has appointed a high-power Commit-

tee under the Chairmanship of Shri M. S.
Pathak Member, Planning Commission
to make a long-term study of the needs of
telecommunication Stores and equipment
and draw up recommendations for increas-
ing the indigenous production capacities.
On receipt of the recommendations of this
Committee suitable actions would be initiat-
ed

(b) Lowes dining 1970-71 :

Rs 2,97,09,211

Losses suffered hi 1971-72 (npto 30 th June
1972)

Rs. 1,8^,60.535

Import of used Plants for West Germany
and Japan

3370 SHRI HART KISHORF SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to stale :

(a) whether Government have any pro-
posal to import and instal used plants from
West Germany and Japan to manufacture
labour intensive products,

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and

(t) whether Government have taken any
decision authorising private sector indus-
tries to enter into negotiations on these
proposals?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) The question docs not arise.

(c) As and when applications from pri-
vate parties for import of used plants are
received, they arc considered on merits.

Control on Cement

3371. SHRI HART KISHORE SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state:

AUGUST 23, 1972

Written Answers 220

219 Written An$%jps

(a) whether Gol&mment have any pro-
posal under consideration to recontrol the
price and distribution of cement in the coun-
try in view of its Shortage; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The price and dis-
tribution of cement in the country is already
under formal control with effect from the 1st
January, 1968 in terms of the Cement Con-
trol Order, 1967, as amended from time to
time.

Shortage of Automobile, Batteries, Tyres and
Tubes

3372. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a shortage of automo-
bile batteries and automobile tyres and tubes
in the country;

(b) whether any attempt has been made
by Government to increase the production
of automobile tyres and tubes in the public
sector; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) There is no shortage of
automobile batteries. Some shortage in
the case of truck and bus tyres was felt
particularly during the emergency. The
Tyre Companies were asked to step up the
production by working on Sundays and
holidays, as a result of which, the produc-
tion was stepped up. Balancing equipments
such as moulds and presses for the manu-
facture of Truck tyres were also allowed to
be imported to further increase the produc-
tion in this category. Still there have been

complaints regarding the non-availability
of Truck Tyres from certain quarters.
There is no shortage in other types of Tyres.
Setting up of additional capacity for the
manufacture of tyres (including truck and
bus tyres) has also been approved by Go-
vernment to meet future demands.

(b) and (c). Government are considering
whether a Joint Venture by both the Central
Government and the State Governments
could be set up for the manufacture of auto-
mobile Tyres and Tubes and also whether
the Technical know-how could be develop-
ed in a Centralised agency. These proposals
are, however, in a very preliminary stage of
consideration.

Reduction in Income Disparities

3373. SHRI PRAVINSINH SOLAN KT :
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased
to state :

(a) whether there has been any reduction
in income disparities as a result of different
measures adopted by Government; and

(b) if not, the leasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The Report of
Mahalanobis Committee which is the latest
official study on the changes in income
distribution states as follows : —

“It has not been possible for the Commit-
tee to pronounce a definite judge-
ment, even of a broad nature, on the
changes m income distribution.
However, it can be stated that there
is no clear indication of a significant
change in income distribution over the
Plan decade”. (1950-51 to 1960-
61).

(b) Several measures including certain
institutional reforms, the development of
agriculture and small and village industries
and special programmes for the weaker
sections were taken in the earlier plans to

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Written Arfhcrs 222

reduce income disparities. But no marked
improvement in income distribution could
occur because of greater emphasis on in-
crease in G.N.P., heavy investments and
quicker industrialisation. The slow rate of
growth of the economy, the Limited impact
of fiscal policies in redistributing incomes
and wealth and the rise in prices have been
other contributory factors.

Complaint against Assistant Director, Small

ndustries Service Institute Mu Ee

3374. SHRl CHANDRIKA PRASAD :
W the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarrcd Question No. 3247 on
19th April, 1972 regarding the complaints
against Assistant Director in the Small
Industries Service Institute and state what
further progress has been made in the matter,
so far?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR
PRASAD) : The explanation of the officer
has been referred to the Central Vigilance
Commission for adveeand u lcac on
will be taken on the basis of their ad-
vice.

Release of Prisoners to mark the Independence
Silver Jubilee Celebrations

3375. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI
REDDY : Will the Minister of HOME AF-
FAIRS be pleased to state :

la) whether Government had taken any
decision regarding the grant of remission
to prisoners to mark the Independence Sil-
ver Jubilee celebrations; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof and
categories of prisoners concerned?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI

F. H. MOHS1N) : (a) Yes, Sir. Nece ssary
orders for the grant of remission to prisoners
on the occasion of Twentyfifth Independence
Jayanti were issued on 27th July, 1972,

(b) The main features of these orders
are : —

(1) The remission is allowed on a sliding
scale;

(2) The following categories of prisoners
are eligible for remission

(i) prisoners undergoing sentence in
jails in Union territories. ,

* (ii) prisoners undergoing sentence in
State jails who were convicted for
offences against the law relating to
matters to which executive powers
of the Union extends.

(lii) As regards prisoners undergoing
sentence in State jails, who were
convicted for offences against the
State Law, the State Governments
were requested that if there be no
objection, they may considei the de-
sirability of granting remission to
them on the same scale.

(3) The following categories of prisoners
are not eligible for remission under those
orders

(i) Detenus of any class;

(ii) Prisoners convicted by court mar-
tial;

(iii) Prisoners convicted for offences un-
der the Official Secret Act, sections
2 & 3 of the Criminal Law Amend-
ment Act, various sections of the
Indian Pdhal Code, Foreigners Act
and Pass Port Act.

Memorandum and Deputation from National
Union of Calcutta Telephones

3376. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI : Will the Minister of COMMU-
NICATIONS be pleased to state :

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Written Answers 224

(a) whether the Ministry has received a
memorandum and *. deputation from the
National Union of Calcutta Telephones;
and

(b) if so, the nature of the memorandum
and action taken by the Ministry in this re-
gard?

THE MINISTr R OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) : (a)
Only memorandum was received from
the National Union of Telegraph Engineer-
ing Employees Cla^ HI, Calcutta (Tele-
phones) Branch.

(b) The memorandum contained de-
mands relating to the service conditions
such as fixation of pay scale for wi remen,
overtime to stall' and rotational transfers
etc. In accordance with the proscribed chan-
nel of communication between the Adminis-
tration and the staff*, nrmoianda/ropiescn la-
lions received fiom the recognized Central
Unions/Associations only are required to
be examined at the P&T Board level for
talcing necessary action. Memoranda re-
presentations from Branch Unions/Associa-
tions arc required to be examined at the
appropriate lower level. As such the me-
morandum m question was forwarded to
the G.M.T. Calcutta for necessaiy action
and sending reply to the Union.

Public Sector Factories in Punjab

3377. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA .
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY be pleased to state *

(a) whether Govern men, 1 have any plans
to build-up some factories in Public Sector
in Punjab; and

(b) if so, the nature thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). There is so far no

decision to set up any new industrial pro-
ject in the Central Public sector in Punjab.
However, a proposal for the expansion of
Nangal Fertiliser Factory is under considera-
tion

Public Telephone booths in Delhi

3378. DR SANKATA PRASAD : Will
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have not been
able to make public Telephone booths avail-
able in all areas of Delhi so far, and

(b) if so, the reasons theiefoi and the time
by which it would be done 9

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA-
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) :
(a) Government have been able to provide
PCO booths in areas or Delhi wherever then'
have been found justified and feasible

(b) Does not arLc

Ceiling on Monopolies and Big Business
1 louses

3379 SHRI BAN AM AM PA'INATK :
Will the Ministei of INDUSTRIAL DFVE-
1 OPMINT AND SCIFNCE AND TECH-
NOLOGY he pleased to state ■

(a) whether the desirability of placing a
ceiling on monopolies and big business houses
with a view to increase production has been
considered ;

(b) if so, with what results; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE-
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Government have
already adopted the policy of preventing
growth of monopolies and concentration
of wealth in a few hands. The Govern-
ment's revised industrial licensing policy

BHADRA 1, 1894 {JSAKA)

Papers Laid 226

225 Papers Laid

annou&ced in February, 1970 and the intro-
duction of the Monopolies and Restrictive
Trade Practices Act are steps taken in that
direction.

13.35 bra.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Statement re. dacoity in Buxar-Delhi
Express Train

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
(SHRI T. A. PA1)* 1 beg to lay on the Table
a statement, regarding dacoily in tram No.
55 up Buxar - Delhi Express between pil-
khua and Dasna Railway Stations of Nor-
thern Railway on the 20th August, 1972.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT-3475/72],

Notifications undtr Indian Tlle-
(i rapil Acr

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS
(SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA : On
behalf of Shri H N Bahuguna, I beg to
lay on the Table a copy each of the follow-
ing Notifications (Hindi and English ver-
sions) undei sub-section (5) of section 7 of
the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 *-

(1) The Indian Tclegiaph (Sixth Amend-

ment) Rules, 1972, published in Noti-
fication No G.S R. 329 (L) in
Gazette of India dated the 4th July,
1972

(2) The Indian Telegraph (Second Amend-
ment) Rules, 1972., published in
Notification No. G.S.R. 811 in
Gazette of India dated the 1st July,
1972.

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3476/72],

Notification under Personal Injuries
(Comp. Ins.) Act

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHABI-
LlTATION(SHRI BALGOVINDVERMA:
On behalf of Shri R. K. Khadilkar,
41 L SS /72 — 9

I beg to lay on The Table a copy each of the
following Notifications (Hindi and English
versions) under section 24 of the Personal
Injuries (Compensation Insurance) Act,
1963

(1) Personal Injuries (Compensation
Insuiance) Rules, 1972, published
in Notification No. S.O. 377 (E) in
Gazette of India dated the 25th' May,
1972.

(2) The Personal Injuries (Compensation
Insurance ) Scheme, 1972, published
m Notification No. S.O. 378 (E) n

Gazette India dated the 5th May,
* 1972.

(3) The personal Injuries (Compensation

Insurance) A mend men* . Scheme,
1972, published in Notification
No. S. O. 500 (fc) in Gazette,
of India dated ihe 22nd July, 1972.

(4) The Personal Injuries (Compensation
Insurance) Amendment Rules, 1972,
published m Notification No. S.O.
501 (H) in Gazette of India dated the
22nd July, 1972.

[Placed m Library. See. No. LT-3477/72]

Annual Report of the development
Coucil ior Automobiles etc:, under In-
dustries (DEVELOPMENr AND REGULATION)
Act

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP-
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESWAR
PRASAD): I beg to lay on the Table a copy
of the Annual Report (Hindi and English
versions) of the Development Council
for Automobiles, Automobiles Ancillary In-
dustries, Transport Vehicle Industries,
Tractors, Earthmovmg Equipment and In-
ternal Combustion Engines for the year
1970-71, under sub-section (4) of section
7 of the Industues (Development and Regu-

227 A ftssdjkfrom Rajya Sabha AUGUST 23, 1972 Companies (Amendment) BUI 228

[Shri Siddhesflfcr Prasad]

lation) Act, $95 1. (Placed in Library . See

No. LT-347S/72.]

Annual Report of the e.S.I.C.

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: beg to lay
on the Table a copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions) of the Emplo-
yees’ State Insurance Corporation for the
year 1970-71, under section 36 of the Em-
ployees’ State Insurance Act, 1948. (placed
in Library . See No. LT 3479/72,]

13.36 hrs.

MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report the
following message received from the Se-
cretary of Rajya Sabha :-

*1 am directed to inform the Lok Sabha
that the Rajya Sabha, at its sitting
held on Monday, the 21st August,
1972, passed the enclosed motion
concurring in the recommendation
of the Lok Sabha that the Rajya
Sabha do join in the Joint Com-
mittee ot the Houses on the
Disturbed Areas (Special Couits)
Bill, 1972. The names of the
members nominated by the Rajya
Sabha to serve on the said Joint
Committee are set out in the
motion.

MOTION

“That this House concurs in the recom-
mendation of the Lok Sabha that the Rajya
Sabha do join in the Joint Committee of the
Houses on the Bill to provide for the Speedy
trial of certain offences in certain areas and
for matters connected therewith, and resol-
ves that the following members of the
Rajya Sabha be nominated to serve on the
said Joint Committee :

1. Shri Yogendra Shaima

2. Shi i M. S. Abdul Khader

3. Shii Veerendta Patil

4. Dr. Bhai Mahavir

5. Shri Ibrahimbahai Kasambhai
Kalania

6. Shri S. B. Bobdey

7. Shri Nabin Chandra Buragohain

8. Shri Bhola Paswan Shastri

9. Shri Ranbir Singh

10. Shri Sikandar Ali Wajd

11. Shri Sitaram Singh

12. Shri Hamid Ali Schamanad

13. Shii Mahendra Mohan Choudhury

14. Shri Todak Basar

15. Shrimati Sita Devi*’

13.3S hrs.

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM-
BERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS

Seventeenth Report

SHRI G. G. SWELL (Autonomous
Districts) : I beg to present the Seventeenth
Report of the Committee on Piivate
Members’ Bills and Resolution.

COMPANIES (AMENDMENT)
BILL

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS ( SHRI RAGHUNATHA
REDDY) : I beg to move :

“That the Bill further to amend the Com-
panies Act, 1956, the Securities Contracts
(Regulation) Act, 1956 and the Monopo-
lies and Restrictive Trade Practices Act,
1969, be referred to a Joint Committee of
the Houses consisting of 45 members, 30
from this House, namely : —

(1) Shii Syed Ahmed Aga

(2) Shii Bedabrata Barua

(3) Shri H.K.L. Bhagat

(4) Shii Somnath Chatterjee

(5) Shri Tridib Chaudhuri

(6) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda

(7) Shri C. Chittibabu

(8) Shri S.R. Damani

(9) Shri C.C. Desai

(10) Shri G.C. Dixit

229 CompmUs (Amendment) BHAJDRA 1

Bill

(11) Sbrimati Vjjeyalakshmi

(12) Shri Popatlal M. Joshi

(13) Shri Ramachandran Kadannapalli

(14) Shri Baburao Jangluji Kale

(15) Shri Jagannath Mishra

(16) Shri Surendra Mohanty

(17) Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi

(18) Shii D.K. Panda

(19) Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey

(20) Prof. Madhu Dhandavate

(21) Shri H.M. Patel

(22) Shri S.B.P. Pattabhi Rama Rao

(23) Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai

(24) Shi i Jagannath Rao

(25) Shri Bishwanath Roy

(26) Shri P.M. Sayeed

(27) Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma

(28) Shri R.R. Sharma

(29) Shri P. Ranganatha Shenoy

(30) Shri R.K. Sinha
and 15 membeis from Rajya Sabha;

that in order to constitute a sitting of the
Joint Committee, the quorum shall be one
third of the total number of members of the
Joint Committee;

that the Committee shall make a report to
this House by the first day of the next session ;
that in other respects the Rules of Procedure
of this House relating to Parliamentary
Committees shall apply with such varia-
tions and modifications as the Speaker
may make; and

that this House do recommend to Rajya
Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join the' said
Joint Committee and Communicate to this
House the names of 15 members to be
appointed by Rajya Sabha to the Joint
Committee.”

MR. SPEAKER : It was decided in the
Business Advisory Committee that this may
be disposed of without any discussion and
the Select Committee will go into every
thing.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Just I want to make a brief
submission.

> 1894 (SAKA) Companies (Amendment) 230
Bill

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t do it when we
have decided in the BAC. , , ,

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There are
some things very confusing in the Bill,
something contradictory. It is not very
clear,

MR. SPEAKER : What?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I will
read it out.

MR. SPEAKER : When it goes to the
Committee, you can mention these things.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How can I.

I cannot appear before the Committee.

I have made a submission to you before

II O’clock. The question is : 1 refer to
clause 204A which says ;

“(1) Except with the previous approval
of the

(a) company in general meeting, and

(b) Central Government,

No company shall, during a period of
five years from the commencement of the
Companies (Amendment) Act, 1972, appo-
int as secretary, consultant or adviser or
to any other office, by whatever name called,
any individual, firm or body corporate
who, or which, had before the 3rd day of
April, 1970, been

ri) holding office as the managing agent
or secretaries and treasurers of the comp-
any; or

(ii) any associate of the managing agents
or secretaries # and treasurers of such
company.

Provided that whtre any such appoint-
ment has been made before the commence-
ment of the Companies (Amendment)
Act, 1972, no such appointment shall be
continued by the company after a period of
six months from such commencement

231 Cornpanlfa Amendment) AUGUST 23, 1972 Companies (Amendment} 232

Bilh

[Shri Jyotirmoy llosuj

unless such appotetment has been approved
by the company in .general meeting and the
Central Government before the expiry of the
said period".

Now I want only to ask a question. What
will happen after five years?

One more submission. What is the ob-
ject of bringing this Bill ? These large
monopoly houses, in the course of four
years, have increased their weallh by as much
as 76%. The Mafatlals which has an csset
of Ks.92 crores in P5*, to- day has assets of
Rs. 156 crores. Tatas whose assets were
only Rs. 505 crores, to-day they have assets
worth Rs. 638 crores. The rise is 29%.
With 76% growth the industiy is not produc-
ing anything, but they are getting falter.

These two things he may make clear.

MR. SPEAKER : These matters can
always be considered by the Select
Committee. How can the Mmisler commit
himself? Lei it go to the Committee. Why
do you want to prejudge everything?

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : I can
assure the hon. Member that these matters
will be fully gone into by the Committee

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have
pointed out an anomally

MR. SPEAKER : The Minister says that
the committee will consider these tilings,

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A Bill has
boon brought before the House.

As a member of the House, when I
see something which is confusing and which
is not clear, I have a right to point it out.
Let the Minister make a satatement.

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : The
language of the BiU is very clear. The ques-
tions that have been raised by the hon.
Member would be amply taken into consi-
deration by the Committee and if any im-
provement is necessary, it will be done.

Bill

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After five
years ?

MR. SPEAKER He is fond of talking.
What to do ?

SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbakonam) ; This
is not a good procedure that as it has
been decided in the BAC, it may be
straightway referred to the Select Com-
mittee. This is not a happy precedent be-
cause the Select Committee should know
the mind of the House also. Also, this
should nol be taken as precedent for future.
The Bills should not be referred to Select
Committee as a routine without a discussion
here because they would like to know the
mind of the House.

MR. SPEAKER : I put it because it was
decided to refer it to the Select Committee
without discussion. But if you want to
opposed, you are very welcome. We cannot
override the Rules. They arc always there. It
is just because of your mutual understanding
that T did it But if you do not want to
implement it, then we will have a discussion.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : When the
Minister moves a Bill and I find something
wrong and I ask him to make a statement,
you do not allow it.

MR. SPEAKER : You yourself were
there in the PAC.

Now, the question is :

“That the Bill further to amend the Com-
panies Act, 1956, the Securities
Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956
and the Monopolies and Restrictive
Trade Practices Act, 1969, be referred
to a Joint Committee of the Houses
consisting of 45 members, 30 from
this House, namely : —

(1) Shn Sycd Ahmed Aga

(2) Shri Bcdabrata Barua

(3) SnriH.KL. Bhagat

(4) Shri Somnath Chatterjie

(5) Shri Tridih Chaudhuri

(6) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda

233 Companies (Amendment) BfiADRA 1
Bill

(7) Shri C. Chittibabu

(8) Shri SR. Datnani

(9) ShriC.GDesai

00) Shri G.C Dixit

(11) Shjimati V. Jeyalakshmi

(12) Shri Popallal M. Joshi

(13) Shri Ramachandran Kadannapalli

(14) Shri Baburao Jangluji Kale

(15) ShTi Jagannath Mishra

(16) Shri Surendra Mohanty

(17) Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi

(18) Shri D.K. Panda

(19) Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey

(20) Prof. Madhu Dandavate

(21) Shri H M. Patel

(22) Shri S.B.P. Pattabhi Rama Rao

(23) Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai

(24) Shri Jagannath Rao

(25) Shri Bishwanath Roy

(26) Shri P.M. Sayeed

(27) Shri Nawal Kihsore Sharma

(28) Shri R.R. Sharma

(29) Shri P. Ranganatha Shcnoy

(30) Shri R K. Sinha

and 15 members from Rajya Sabha;

that in order to constitute a sitting of the
Joint Committee, the quorum shall be one-
third of the total number of members of
the Joint Committee;

that the Committee shall make a report to
this House by the first day of the next
session;

that in o;hcr respects the Rules of Pro-
cedure of this House relating to Parlia-
mentary Committees shall apply with such
variations and modifications as the Speaker
may make; and

that this House do recommend to Rajya
Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join the said
Joint Committee and communicate to this
House the names of 15 members to be
appointed by Rajya Sabha to the Joint
Committee.”

The motion was adopted .

•Moved with the recommendation'of the

, 1 894 (SAKA) Companies (Amendment) 234
Bill

13 AS hrs .

ANTIQUITI ES AND ART TREASURES
BILL

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg
to move*

“That the Bill to regulate the export trade
in antiquities and art treasures, to
provide for the prevention of smtiggl*
ing of, and fraudulent dealings in,
antiquities, to provide for the com-
pulsory acquisition of antiquities and
art treasures for preservation in
public places and to provide for
certain other matters connected
therewith or incidental or ancillary
thereto, be taken into consideration.”

7 3.47 hrs.

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ]

Our country has had along and dis-
tinguished history and naturally, we have in
our land a very large number of objects of
art and representations of the progress
achieved by the Indian people through the
ages. This valuable heritage of the nation
has to be protected and preserved by us
against destruction or smuggling out.
Whether it is in the filed of art or architec-
tures, sculptures, painting, metal-works
or wood-crafts or even in the case of
manuscripts there are objects of art which
have to be preserved from vandalism*
Unfortunately, our country has suffered
cruelly, particularly, since certain rich indi-
viduals mainly abroad but, to some extent,
even in this country, have considered it
fashionable to acquire art objects and to
treat them as private property and there-
fore, they have encouraged this despoli-
ation of monuments or disposals of price-
less pieces of paintings. Thefts of sculptures
from monuments like the bracket figures
from the magnificent Khajuraho temples or
even chiselling away of sculptures from other

President

235 Antiquities andMrt AUGUST 23, 1972 Antiquities and Art Treasures 23 6
Treasures $11 ‘ Bill

[Shri S. Nurul Has&n]
monuments have been reported from time to
time. The House will recall the public ind-
ignation over the report that one of the price-
less pieces of Nataraj- is being sold in New
York and everyone is rightly feeling deeply
concerned about it.

Therefore, ever since the dawn of Inde-
pendence, there has been an attempt to bring
this situation under control and as far back
as 1947, an Act called the Antiquities
(Export Control) Act, 1947 was passed to
check and control the export of antiquities.
This Act, together with the Treausure Trove
Act of 1878, the Ancient Monuments Pre-
servation Act (VII of 1904), 1904, Ancient
Monuments, Archaeological Sites and
Remains Act, 1958, and Customs Act, 1962
helped to protect the cultural heritage and to
control the export of antiquities to a limited
extent.

The administrative and legal lacunae in
these Acts became obvious because of large-
scale thefts and smuggling of art objects
outside the country.

It is indeed most regrettable to find that
objects either stolen from Indian Museums
or removed from protected Monuments or
private Temples have found their way ab-
road and some of them have been exhibited
in public museums of. those countries.

The Indian Delegation raised this matter
in the UNESCO Convention on the Theft
of Cultural Property and, in spite of the
fact that many countries like our own, who
have been suffering from such vandalism
have raised their voice, and a somewhat dilu-
ted convention has been approved, some of
h? mrj diveloped countries are draging
their feet in the matter.

Therefore, it was considered necessary
to bring in a comprehensive piece of legis-
lation on antiquities so as to plug as far as
possible the loopholes and to gear up the
administrative and executive machinery.

This Bill, which I commend to the House,
has been brought up on the basis of various

decisions which have been made outside
the House as well as inside the House.

Several hon. Members had sought from
time to time leave to introduce Bill’s to
remedy the existing situation. My hon.
friend Dr. Raghubir Singh had given a
notice in the Rajya Sabha about the Anti-
quities (Export Control) Amendment
Bill/1957. A similar notice was given by Shri
C.K. Bhattacharyya in the Lok Sabha in
1962. For some reason or the other, these
Bills were not introduced in Parliament.
Meanwhile the Government which had
been seized of the problem, sought to
introduce a Bill for this purpose in 1965.
Although it was introduced on the 7th
April, 1965 in the Lok Sabha, it could not
come up for consideration during the life-
time of the Third Lok Sabha.

In the meantime, another Bill was intro-
duced in the other House in 1967, but that
did not come up for consideration.

While the present Bill was being drafted,
all the concerned Ministries of the Govern-
ment of India were consulted A draft of
the Bill as prepared by the Ministry of Law
and Justice was also circulated to all the
States and Union Territory Governments
in 1970 for their comments. All these
comments were examined and as a result
of further thinking, the present Bill includes
for the first time ‘Art Treasures’ which, being
human works of art, having artistic and aes-
thetic value, also deserve to be protected.

Besides antiquities, manuscripts, records
and other documents,, which are of
scientific, historical, literary or of aesthetic
value, have also been included now within
the purview of this Bill. But, we have
reduced in these cases the age limit and
brought it down to 75 years, so as to cover
all important material of this category.

Now, Sir, the salient features of the Bill
are as follows

(a) It seeks to regulate export trade in
. antiquities and art treasures on and

237 Antfyuities emd BHADRA 1, 1894 (SABA)

Art Treasurers Bill 238

from the commencement of this Act.

It provides that it shall not be lawful
for any person, other than the Cen-
tral Government or any authority
or agency authorised by the Central
Government in this behalf, to
export any antiquity or art
treasure.

(b) It seeks to regulate the internal trade
in antiquities by making it compul-
sory for those carrying on business
of selling and offering to sell anti-
quities to obtain a licence and to
maintain such records as may be
prescribed for the purpose.

ment to take over the internal irade
in antiquities with effect from a fu-
ture date to the exclusion of others.

(d) It seeks to undertake registration of
specified types of antiquities (by
notification in Official Gazette)
in possession of private persons and
institutions.

(e) The Bill seeks to empower the Central

Government to compulsorily acquire
antiquities and art treasures for pre-
servation in a public place.

Lastly, (f) It finally seeks to provide penal-
ties for offences in contravention
of the provisions of the Bill.

This is a Bill which the Government have
brought forward after full consultation.
This is also a matter on which the whole
country feels exercised. Hod, Members
have quite rightly voiced their sentiments
and the sentiments of the people by express-
ing their concern whenever any theft was
repotted. I therefore hope, Sir, that this
Bill will not be allowed to get involved in
any controversy.

My only appeal is this. This Bid should
have been passed much earlier, but it has
been delayed. But, I am happy, I have the
honour and the privilege' of presenting it to
the honourable House.

Sir, there may be shortcomings, as there
would be shortcomings in every other thing,
but 1 would beg of the honourable House
to approve of this Bill as quickly as possible,

It is only aftei the House has given its
approval that the rules can be framed and
that will take some time and there is no
time to lose.

If there are any suggestions for any
changes or amendments, we can look
after those things, and I would be prepared
to come to the House again. But I now re-
quest the House to approve of this Bill
without any further delay.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion
moved. :

"That the Bill to regulate the export
trade in antiquities and art treasures, to
provide for the prevention of smuggling of,
and fraudulent dealings m, antiquities, to
provide for the compulsory acquisition of
antiquities and art treasures for preser-
vation in public places and to provide for
certain other matters connected therewith
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken
into Consideration.”

There is an amendment in the name
of Shri Daga. Are you moving it

SHRI M. C. DAGA (Pali) : Yes, I
am moving my amendment. I beg to move:

"That the Bill* to regulate the export
trade in antiquities and art treasures,
to provide for the prevention of
smuggling of and fraudulent dealings
in, antiquities, to provide for the
compulsory acquisition of anti-
quities and art treasures for pre-
servation in public places and to

239 Antiquities 4# AUGUST 23, 1972 Art Treasurers BUI 240

[Shri M . Daga]

provide for certain other matters

connected therewith or incidental or

ancillary thereto, be referred to a

Select Committee consisting of 13

members, namely :

(1) Shri S. M. Banerjee

(2) Shri Samar Guha

(3) Shri Purushottam Kakodkar

(4) Dr. Kami Singh

(5) Shri Raja Kulkarni

(6) Shri Jagannath Mishra

(7) Shri Shrikishan Modi

(8) Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra

(9) Shri H. N. Mukherjee

(10) Shn Ramsahai Pandey

(11) Shri Arjun Sethi

(12) Prof. S. Nurul Hasan; and

(13) Shri M. C. Daga

with instructions to report by the first day
of the next sessional)

SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA (Aram-
bagh) : Mr Deputy-Speaker, Sir, after a
long time of delay, this Bill has been in-
troduced at last by the hon. Minister.
Even in spite of this long delay, I would
congratulate him, if this Bill had been draf-
ted m an all-embrasing and comprehensive
manner, with a view to further the cause of
our cultural heritage along with the anti-
aquities and art treasures as has been des-
cribed in this Bill. But there is nothing about
this. If anybody goes through this Bill, I
am sure, he will be able to find that the only
object of this Bill is to regulate the activities
of the smugglers and the fraudulent people
with a view to fulfil their commercial pur-
poses and not to further the cause of our
cultural heritage which we need at this
moment very badly. «

Twenty-five long years have passed since
the attainment of our independence; but
still the Government has not applied its mind
to this most important national aspect for
our generation. Every day we read in the
newspaper that our antiquities are being
stolen. Just now, the hon. Minister has

referred to the case of Natarajamurthi
idol. It has been stolen from India and it has
been sold at New York. Now, it is worth
2 million dollars. Similarly, the statue of
Deity Chamba from Himachal Pradesh was
stolen some time ago and recovered in
Bombay while it was being sent to America.
This type of stealing is going on everywhere.

14.00 hrs.

I would just cite a glaring example about
Murshidabad. A rare collection of curios,
china and paintings valued at well over Rs. 1
crore has mysteriously disappeared from
the Nawab Palace at Murshidabad, now
under the control of the West Bengal
Government. Some of the missing items are
of pi iceless historical value and roughly
fall into two categories. On the one hand,
antique Venetian and Ming vases, centu-
ries-old ornamental clocks, the Nawab’s
silver-laced throne, huge cut-glass chande-
liers, oil painting by world masters and
bronze statues and other works of art,
all priceless, have been stolen. Also missing
are mundane items like copper plating from
lightning conductors and sundials, iron
railings, bccons and rafters from place
out-houses. The quality and size of the
stolen material rule out the theft being the
work of casual theives. I can cue moie
examples like this, but as my time is short,

1 shall not go into them.

Now, I shall cite another very painful
story. Two centuries have elapsed since the
passing away of one of India’s great sons,
namely Raja Ram Mohun Roy. His bicente-
nary is being celebrated througout the
country. It is a shame that his ancestral
house is still being used for the police
barracks. During these long 25 years, the
Government of India could not free this
house from the clutches of the police. This
is the example of how we are furthering the
cause of our cultural heritage.

There is a State Archaeological Gallery
in West Bengal. It was started in 1962 by

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242

the then PWD Minister. It is a nice gallery
containing a nice collection. But the
antiquities and art treasures are in such a
place that nobody can go there. One con- *
tributor to the Hindustan Standard has
written :

The Slate Archaeological Gallery, a
treasure island at 33, Chittaranjan
Avenue, is visited by scholars from
all over the world. I cannot refrain
myself from asking why the Govern-
ment is so indifferent towards its own
collection It is heurtd m fuh zv
unclean building and it looks like a
godown rather than a gallery of art.”

This is the reality with regard to our anti-
quities and art treasures. The hon. Minister
is a newcomer, but I hope that he will try
his best to perform this duly of protecting
our antiquities and art treasures.

Regarding the Kohinoor, you know that
it is now shining over the London tower.
We want to bring back this Kohinoor to
India. T his is our national property. It is
high tune that we bring back this Kohinoor
from the London tower to India. I urge the
Hon. Minister and I would request him to
take initiative in this matter, and we from
the Opposition will join hands with him and
strengthen his cffoi is to further the cause
of our antiquities and art treasures.

Though this Bill does not come up to the
mark, yet with these words I support this
Bill.

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SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF JAI :
PUR (Jaipur) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, while
I welcome the main objective of this Bill,

I think there should be a few amendments ,
put into it because, as it stands, it is not
practical. I think everybody in this House
wishes to preserve India’s antiquities,
whether they be in the form of art treasures,
manuscripts, paintings, building or any-
thing.

The Minister himself referred to the fact
that a beautiful Natraj has been stolen
and that the statues in the temples
of Khiguraho have also been pilfered.

I should like to remind this House that it is
since independence that all this pilferage has
started taking place in our country. Prior
to that, when these treasures were looked
after by their own owners, nothing was
touched. Khajuraho was in the State of
Panna. Under the rulers of Panna, not one
single statue was stolen.

The previous speaker spoke about the
collection of the ex-Princes of India. It is
true that they, have vast collections, and had
they not been in India, we would probably
have had no cultural heritage. That is some-
thing we must remember, and we must be
thankful to them for their contribution
to India’s cultural heritage.

As far as Rajasthan is concerned, all the
archives from the state-19— have been taken
to Bikaner and dumped together. They
were previously lying on the floor. They
have now been arranged in some sort of
order, but I believe at the moment there is
nobody in the archaeological department to

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Art Treasurers Bill 248

IShrimati Gayatri Devil
look after them. That is one thing I should
like to point out.

When I said that there should be some
amendments incorporated into the clauses,
I meant to pomt out the fact that these
thefts have taken place since independence
and not prior to it. I have a feeling that it
was because before they were properly
looked after by those who loved them and in
whose possession they were that we have
had not had any thefts of this type Also
the beautiful cities of India were preserved
with their unique indigenous architecture.

Take, for instance, the city of Jaipur. It
was beautiful, until it was handed over to
the Congress Government. Now it is filthy.
The Director of Archaeology has not enough
money to be able to protect these monu-
ments. He cannot do anything In front of
the Chatris, the building of the Maharanis,
a row of shops is coming up. The Depart-
ment of Archaeology objected to this, but
the local government lets it go up. These
are things ancillary to this Bill and I would
beg of the Minister to look into them. They
say here that the Cential Government will
make rules and then the States will adopt
them.

I would beg of this House to pass a Bill
for the proper protection of all antiquities
in India that aie immoveable, I mean
palaces, temples, caves and so on because
at the moment the protection is not adequate.
I hope that you will help me in this. I
know about this I can say about my owrn
home where 1 went 32 years ago : Jaipur
was perhaps the most beautiful city in the
world. Today it is pc'rhaps the dirtiest-
ugliest, filthiest city in the world. Why?
No care has been taken to protect the
national monuments. This does not apply
only to Jaipur. It applies to many other
places in Rajasthan and in the rest of India.

As I have not got the time to go into
details, I would just like to point out to the
Minister one or two things, which, I hope,

he will forgive me for. I think in a way this
Bill is premature because they have not got
the machinery to implement it. To begin
with, they do not have enough experts in art
in this country even to man the National
museums. When they do not have experts,
they talk about registration of ai tides. That
is all very well. But who is going to register
these articles? It should be an expert,
who knows about art.

Then they talk of photography— six
copies of each article. Have they -calculated
the cost of one photograph, leave alone 6?
Which individual or which collector will ever
be able to afford that? Therefore, I would
seriously like to suggest to Government to
have an agency which can take photographs
of these objects of art.

Another thing. This registiation is not
practical for persons. Clauses 14, 17 and 17
apply to museum offices and archives
owned and controlled by the Government.
Why should there not be a list of those arti-
cles as well? Why should they not be cata-
logued and photographed and lists of them
provided to the public? After all, they are
not owned by the institutions there. They
are owned by the public. If there has to
be a special exemption for this, there must
be a reason for it.

Another thing is this. When you ask
for registration of art objects that are lying
with the dealers or collectors, you must
also be very, very sure to sec that all Govern-
ment officials produce a list of their art
objects. I do not want to cast aspersions
but many, many collectors m the far-flung
districts arc one of the worst culprits in
pilfering art and cultural treasures.

There was another thing that I wanted to
suggest. From clause 13 it looks as though
the Central Government wants to nationalise
the antique trade which I think would a
pity, because there are thousands and thou-
sands of people who depend on this; ~
though I am hundred per cent with you

249 Antiquities and BHADRAl, 1894 (SAKA) Art Treasures 250

Bill

that you should try and stop the smuggling
of antiques’ from this country— I go abroad
quite often and I am absolutely horrified to
find in every single shop — Dabis Street
in London, for example — something of
Indian antiquity. I go inside and ask the
dealers : “I am just an ordinary buyer;
how much is this?” There, I once found a
statue of £1,100. He bought it for about
£200 or £300, and he said, “I am going back
to India in a month or two to get some more.’ 1
Now, his agencies were not private. They
were not any of the dealers like the kabadi-
wallas or anybody like that. He obviously got

them from an archaeological ly protected
site. And this continues.

I would also say that the Government of
India’s officials concerned must also have
there art collection? registered and must
also give notifications to the Government
as to what they should do.

As regards this compulsory acquisition,

I am not quite clear as to what that means,
because I am very frightened of this; not
for personal reasons. We have a large
collection, which is in a museum, but wc are
nol trying to get anything out of it. We
are trying (o acquire more. It is open to the
public; open to the scholars. Wc are nol
able to find a director because there is dearth
of this kind of people m India The same
applies here Your best men arc working
abrojd in the universities of Chicago and
Harward — our best Indian scholars m anti-
quities. I ask, why this compulsory acqui-
sition 7 People who have art objects — pri-
vate ones — are very frightened that they
may go into Government hands and then
disappear from the public, either comp-
letely, or they are swallowed up and find
themselves somewhere abroad, like the

famous statue of Nalaraja that you mention-
ed.

What is the idea of this? Then you say,
if the owner wishes to apply for compen-
sation, he may go to an agency and apply

to the court, and there will be a gentleman
to determine the value of what is sought to
be acquired. But in art, as anybody knows,
there is no value. You cannot name the
value of such a thing. For instance, if I wish
to auction this ring, for me, I will pay crores
of rupees for it, but ils actual value is only
perhaps Rs. 2,500 or something like that.
But I will wish to possess it. So, I will pay
anything for it. That is the value of an
antique.

For instance, you take the auction shops
in England . Southcby and Christie. The
owner may put up a painting or an object of
art for auction And the owner’s reserve
price may be something like Rs. 200, Rs. 300,
Rs. 400 or Rs. 500. But if somebody wants
to acquire it, somebody wants it, Us value
goes up to thousands of pounds.

When I am talking of Southcby and
Christie, it has often struck me that the
Indian Government, through the State
Trading Corporation, auction cars and th ngs
like that Why does it not have a sort of
antique auction shop? For instance, these
dealers in antiques who wish to sell their
things abroad make a determined price by
having a public auction, and the Govern-
ment will make a profit.

You can have a sort of Southcby or
Christie in this country. After all, these
antiquities do belong to the public. If
they arc going to do that, you have the right
to make money out of them. So, make the
best of it and do not let them go for a paltry-
sum. This is something which the Govern-
ment shbuld think over.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Your time
is up.

SHR1MAT1 GAYATRI DEVI OF JAI-
PUR: lam concluding. As I have said before,
I feel that the Bill is a bit premature, because
the Government has not got the machinery
to deal with this. Even for the National
Museum, they have not been able to find

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[Shrimati Gayatri pevi]
a director. There jure no laboratories in
the country for the preservation of paint-
ings, textiles, carpets or anything like that.
The UNESCO has offered its services many
times to the people, but the Indian Govern-
ment have not availed themselves of those
opportunities. I know about this actually.

It is a fact. I would ask the hon. Minister
to see to this.

The other thing is, what laboratories have
you got. India is a vast country. Is Delhi,
or Calcutta or Madras having a big labora-
tory ? The Salar Jung Museum has got a
small one. Here, your carpets are lying up
together for cleaning. There is a queue
of carpets to be preserved in the National
Museum over here. All these things hap-
pen to be there because we have not got the
facilities to preseive the antiquities well.
So, I would plead with the Government to
do something about this.

You will doubtless pass this Bill by all
means; do not try to nationa.ise the trade.
Let the people keep their possessions. Re-
gulate the export by all means. Up till
now, smuggling has been due to the
fault of the Government alone, and the
Government alone stand condemned
in this and I hope the Government
will do something constructive m this re-
gard. As it stands, the Bill will do more
harm than good. So, it should not be pass-
ed unless amended.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You can
continue the day after tomorrow. We now
resume the discussion on the motion of Shri
Nathu Ram Ahirwar on the development of
backward areas. Nobody was on his legs
the other day. Who wants to speak? Yes,
Shri Dasaratha Deb.

14.30 hrs.

MOTION RE. SEPARATE CENTRAL

SCHEMES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF
BACKWARD AREAS

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura
East) : There is regional imbalance on a
very wide sc ale and it was a legacy of the Bri-
tish imperialism but after Independence also
our government has preserved that legacy.
The grievances of these backward areas
are genuine and it requiies to be properly
attended to. The planners of this country
must have a proper plan keeping in view the
regional imbalances in our country. It is
not only those areas mentioned in this re-
solution, but also many other areas that
are very backward. I corns from a region
which is the most backward of the back-
waid arias. In ths north-eastern region

253 Motion Re. BHADRA U 1894 (SARA) Schemes for Backward Anas 254

areas like Tripura, Manipur, Mizoomm,
Meghalaya, Arunachal and Nagaland inclu-
ding Asfeam, are the most backward. There
may be some fine educated people but that
does not mean that the ana is forward.
There are no industiies worth the name even
in Assam, not to speak of Tripura and
Meghalaya.

It is surprising that after 25 years of
Independence Tripura people do not have
a railway line. If you want to develop the
backward area, first you must have some in-
frastructure, most important of ail road
and rail communications. After that you
can talk of big or medium size industries.

What should be our approach to develop-
ment of backwaid areas? The approach of
our planners is motivated by profit, not bene-
fit to the common man; how quickly they
could get returns. I had been demanding
since 1952 the introduction of a railway line
in Tripura. I was told on the last occasion
that a surv -,y was completed but that it will
not be remunerative, so it cannot be taken
up in this plan. I must say it is a capitalist
way of thinking; you are developing the
capitalist part of your economy in our coun-
try, You have to look to the needs. A
capitalist will see how quick a return he will
get. That is why people in remote areas
are not getting factories or industries.
Naturally our planners and others build
industries around big cities where they have
communication and other facilities. If you
proceed like that people living in M.P. or
Chota Nagpur or Nagaland or other back-
ward areas will never have any industries.
It is bad planning.

It is wonderful to know one thing. Our
Government started a hydro-electric project
scheme called Dombra project, long ago
but it has not been completed. I tabled a
question whether the Government of Tri-
pura did not utilise sum allocated for the
year 1970-71 under different heads of deve-
lopment and they gave so many reasons in
reply why they could not utilise and one of

the reasons was ; procurement of som e cons-
truction materials for development has been
posing problems either due to their non-
availability or due to difficulties in the means
of transport. A fortnight before I met the
Chief Minister of Tripura and he told me
that they wanted to import one electric
transmitter machine weighing about 20 ton-
nes but it could not be brought to Tripura
because the only railway in Tripura has to
pass through a tunnel and the height of
that machine was more and so it could not
be transported to Tripura. How can Tri-
pura develop?

The Government has failed in these 25
years to develop a transport system. That is
why I say that industries must be planned in
these areas on the basis of the availability
df raw materials. I cannot demand, for
instance, a cement factory in Tripura be-
cause it is impossible and we do not have
those stones but why not some paper in-
dustries? We are producing a lot of bam-
boos and at least one or two paper mills
could have been started in these 25 years.
It is a jute producing area and jute mills
could also have been started. We are pro-
ducing a lot of wood and small and medium
industries based on these raw materials could
have been started. I am not talking of
Tripura alone; similar industries based on
available raw material could be started in
any other backward area.

By starting industries you will be releasing
the labour potential of our country; this will
solve unemployment problem. In the name
of development of undeveloped areas, some
big monopolists, and capitalists are getting
licences to develop that particular area. So
it is now at tlje mercy of such people. It
should not be so; Government must come
forward, have a proper plan and take the
initiative to develop those areas; it should
not be given to such agents. I repeat that
planning should not be motivated by pro-
fit but give benefit to the common man.
Tripura cannot have a railway line for a
long time if you want quick remuneration.

255 Motion Re.

AUGUST 23, 1972

Schemes for Backward Areas 256

[Shri Dasaratha Deb]

The Government mirtt have a separate
scheme and integrate it with the State Go-
vernment schemes for different regions.
You must have separate apparatus and se-
parate quota for building materials and
you must have all the other infra-structure
that are necessary. Otherwise, you cannot
develop backward areas.

' SHRT B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Sir, in
view of the fact that the motion by the hon.
Member, Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar, tried to
confine the backwardness only to the parts
such as UP.Bundelkhandand Chotta Nag-
pur, T had to move an amendment stating
that this should be made applicable to the
backward areas in the country as a whole.

I feel that this motion has received very
sympathetic consideration of this House
because it is not only the hon. Member,
Shri Dasaratha Deb’s Tripura or Bundel-
khand or Chotta Nagpur, but there arc many
other Tripuras in this country which are more
or less sailing in the same boat.

If I am not indulging in a hyperbole, if
we use the word “backward” in regard to
certain areas, communities, castes or regions
it is a perverse pride, according to me. It
is equally applicable to economic, social,
cultural or any other sort of backward-
ness. While we do accept the fact that
economically we are not well developed,
we have a very ancient civilisation and cul-
ture which have survived the vagaries of
history So, I would urge the House to
substitute the word “backwardness” by
some forward-looking word. Formerly,
the under-developed areas were called back-
ward. Then they were called “under-
developed”. Now having 'recognised that
these under-developed areas have a tremen-
dous potentiality of growth, they have chang-
ed the nomenclature and they are called
‘developing areas’ or ‘developing conti-
nents’. I think we have to bid good-bye
to the word “backward” and call ourselves
a ‘developing country’ because that word

is most optimistic and forward-looking in,
its content and vision. Let us not be per-
versely proud of our backwardness, which
is something which we must try to eradicate
as soon as possible, whether the backward-
ness is social, cultural or economic.

When we started planning the concept
was that it will have to be planning at the
grass root level. But we started first by
getting clearance to an approach to the plan
at the highest level in the country where the
policies are formulated. We got the clear-
ance for an approach to the plan in the
National Development Council. There-
after, it was discussed at the highest levels
m the country and then it was transmitted
to the States and then to the districts. Now
we are thinking in terms of holding plan
discussions at the grass root level at the dis-
tricts. Even here a very learned Member
suggested that the plan discussion at the dis-
trict or constituency level should be under
the chairmanship of the District Magis-
trate Have we not, aher 25 years of in-
dependence, got the necessary expertise and
competence to preside over a conference of
the people at the grass root level where our
panchayat pradhans and other leprcsenta-
tivcs of the people are present? The initia-
tive for a conference of this type at the glass
root level, particularly in the backward dis-
tricts, should be left to the rcpicscntatives
of the people, however competent or in-
competent they may be We cannot en-
trust it to the same old machinery, which has
done good work in the past, because we
cannot expect it to deliver radical results
which wc arc expecting in the future.

Coming from the general to the concrete,
the Working Group headed by Shri Wan-
choo staled very categorically in the year
1969 that as far as the industrial backward-
ness of this country is concerned, there should
be a procedure whereby further licensing of
industries should be curtailed in the metro-
politan cities which have become the har-

257 Motion Re, BHADRA 1, 1894 (SARA) Schemes for Backward Areas 258

bingers of major, medium and small indus-
tries. Tb this report there was a note of
dissent by one of the representatives from
Bombay. Why is it that in the licensing pro-
cedure the Planning Commission as well as the
Industries Ministry are not paying specific
attention to this recommendation and en-
suring that at least new industries are not
established m the urban metropolitan cen-
tres which are also causing biological ecolo-
gical hazards? Why is it that the dispersal
of industries is not carried out because they
are the recommendations of the Working
Group which was appointed by ihe Govern-
ment itscIP

While it may not be necessary for us lo
identify vast areas of the countiy as back-
ward areas, we can definitely identify those
districts or regions within a State where there
is vast potential for growth If this poten-
tial for growth along with backwardness is
made use of, I think it will be possible for
us to create the necessary structure for indus-
trial advancement and growth

As far as infra-structure is concerned,
hardly 200 miles south of Bombay is the Wes-
tern Ghats, just south of Goa- North and
South Canara. Wherever there arc road or
rail communication there is advancement.
We can say that we are backward because
we ai e backward or we arc poor because we
arc poor. This is evident here because
out country or government has not been
able to do much in regard to development
of either road or rail communication or
generation of electricity That is why the
backwardness still continues in those regions.

Coming from the general to the concrete,

1 would once again urge that there are many
areas which are backward. Their problems
have to be found at the national level.
Coming to the specific, the State of Mysore,
a district has been chosen as industrially
backward where there is about 500,000
acres of net irrigation of a perennial nature.
41 LSS/72 — 10

So, I would say that greater care should
be taken in identifying the districts and once
the districts are identified all the impetus
should be given for their development and
growth. Finally, I hope that my amendment
to the main motion will be accepted by the
House.

SHR1 BIREN ENGT1 (Diphu) : Mr.
Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the entire eastern
region, specially the State of Assam is
very backward economically, socially and
culturally. The Central Government from
time to time has prepared many schemes
for the development of backward areas but
in practice nothing has been done. Not
to speak of development, even the basic needs
like education, drinking water and public
health in most of the interior places are not
there That is why the backward areas of
Assam still icmain backward.

The hill region of Assam like Mikir and
notth Cachar hills is one oflhc most back-
ward areas m the country where 90 per
cent of the population depends on agri-
culture. But it is very unfortunate that
there arc no adequate irrigation facilities.
There are some rivers like Dikharu, Am-
rang, Dayang and Barpani on which dams
can be constructed to supply water to the
entire agricultural land of those hilly re-
gion

To remove the regional imbalance and
backwardness, the most urgent and impor-
tant thing is that some industries should
be set up in those areas. In Assam, spe-
cially m those hilly areas, there is abundant
raw mateiial like* trees and bamboos. So,
at least one paper mill can be established at
Haflong.

There are no adequate means of trans-
port m the interior hill areas of Assam.
We have many times urged the Central
Government to convert the metre-gauge
railway line of Assam into broad-gauge

259 Motion Re.

AUGUST 23, 1972

Scheme for Backward Area* 2fi0

ISfari Siren Engti]

line. It is very important because this is
the only connecting line of the State of Assam
with the other States of India. But we are
surprised as to why the Central Government
keeps silent on this important issue. This
should be fulfilled immediately.

To develop the backward areas, the pre-
sent planning system should be revised and
also decentralised. At the same time, the
Central Government should also set up a
separate and permanent authority to survey
and suggest the conditions of backward
areas of our country.

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN (Madras
South) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the mo-
tion moved by Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar
focuses attention on the problem of back-
ward areas in the country and suggests the
remedy of having separate development
schemes. Everybody agrees with the mala-
dy of backwardness, as stated by the mover.
But I differ with the mover in regard to the
remedy suggested by him. He suggests
that the setting up of separate Central
schemes will deliver the goods. I say, that
will never deliver the goods.

We have a concrete example before us.
U.P. and Bihar are the most favoured States
by the Central Government. For example,
in Bihar alone, maximum public sector in-
vestment on State-wise basis has been
made. I think, more than 20 per cent of the
land has been put under irrigation. And
we lag behind. We find Bhilai, Ranchi
and Rourkela as giant public sector under-
takings. But these places are nothing but

an oasis in the desert of backwardness.

A few miles around these plants and
townships we find modernity, but at other
places the same old backwardness conti-
nues. Sinking thousands of crores of
rupees and creating Central schemes will
not solve the problem. In many cases
the choice of the planners is already pre-
determined. For example, an irrigation-

cwm-hydel project is always tied up to a
river valley project. We cannot create
a steel plant away from the source of
raw materials, Wc want the regional
imbalances to be eradicated, but what the
Government does results in wastage of
scarce resources.

Now we understand that, in Kashmir,
Government plans to set up a watch factory
as a unit of HMT, but Kashmir lacks
experts who can work, in that watch factory.
They have, therefore, to import from distant
States experts, but I am told that those
experts are afraid of the weather condi-
tions in Kashmir. We make a political
decision out of over-enthusiasm, but be-
cause of this political decision, we ignore
the cost-and-benefit calculation and also
the principle of maximum economic
returns. Central scheme alone is not the
magic wand by waving which wc can create
an economic miracle. Every area requires
a separate planned programme for sal-
vation. For example, even in our State
which is supposed to be a forward State,
there is one district called Dharmapuri
which is a backward one. It requires a
special kind of attention, it requires deve-
lopment of silk and other such things.

The hon. Minister comes from Konkan
area. I have read the articles written
by him. He has suggested that setting
up a Central plan will not solve the prob-
lems of the Konkan area ; it requires a
separate kind of economic planning by
development of cashewnuts, fisheries, etc.
So, the problems have to be identified.
We should not think that setting up a
public sector undertaking or a Central
scheme will be the panacea for all ills. But
these things cannot be done from above.
Long distance management and remote
control operations from Delhi will not
deliver the goods. Ultimately we have
to come back to district ; district should

261 Motion Jte. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

bo the unit of planning, or if data is avail-
able, taluks or fchsifa should be the unit
Of planning. We have been repeating the
same theme that people should be taken in-
to consideration, that they should be part-
ners in planning, not only during imple-
mentation but even during formulation.

We have been repeating the same theme
from the First Five-Year Plan onwards,
but nothing has been done.

In today's newspaper I read a news that
the former Planning Minister, hon. Shri
C. Subramaniam, has announced a package
programme for backward areas. I hope,
the hon. Minister will throw much light
on the subject. But who will prepare
the package programme, who will execute
the package programme? Again I find
from the newspaper reports that hon.
Shri C. Subramaniam has stated that these
would be executed by the Planning Com-
mission. Again we face the problem of
over-Centralisation. Unless these plan-
nings are assigned to the States, we cannot
improve the situation. Regarding Konkan
the hon. Minister is an expert because
he hails from that area. Regarding Tamil
Nadu, I can speak with some authority
because I know it. There is nothing sacred
about State planning, but we want it
to be done by States because it paves the
way for concentrated efforts. There are
States like Uttar Pradesh which is one
of the biggest m Asia or in Europe.

15.00 hra.

So, the area of operation is bigger. Take,
for example, Haryana. The area of op-
eration is small. After its separate ex-
istence, Haryana has proved to be an eco-
nomic miracle. It is prospering well.
On the other hand, even though UP is the
cradle of Congress politicians and the
supplier of all Prime Ministers after Inde-
pendence, we find that the Eastern UP
is still in a pitiable situation.

Schemes for Backward Areas 262

AN HON. MEMBER : Any area of
UP is worse.

SHRI MURASOU M ARAN : I am
1 coming to that. I find the giant nature of
UP is one of the stumbling blocks of the
progress. So, Sardar K. M. Panikkar’s
suggestion comes to my mind. I think
splitting UP into more than one unit will
solve the problem. If that is not practicable,
we should set up regional boards as in
Telengana and a sizeable portion of plan
funds should be allocated for these back-
ward regions.

Intensive State plan has produced eco-
nomic miracles in Puerto Rico and the people
of Puerto Rico is still a guiding star. For a
big Federation like India I think the States
should be allowed to plan for State func.
tions and the Federal Government for feder-
al functions. There is nothing inherently
unfeasible about it.

The Seventh Scheduled of the Constitu-
tion speaks about economic and social
planning as a concurrent function. But,
what happens now is that we do economic
planning but we never do the social plan-
ning. Again, sometime back, our Prime
Minister inaugurated a Girls' School in
Allahabad. But after three years, that
school was closed. Why? The girls who
got educated could not get educated hus-
bands. So, what is the reason? The social
backwardness is the reason. I think we
should lay emphasis on the social planning
also. In our State we have made an attempt.
The State has constituted a Youth Board
employing hundreds of educated youth.
They go to the, villages and tell them and
they induce motivation among the people
so that they can become modern-minded.
I think we should lay emphasis on their so-
cial planning also.

What is required is a balanced effort.

I think these backward areas will never
catch up and the gap between them and the

263 Motion Re. +

AUGUST 23, 1972

Schemes for Backward Areas 264

[Shri Murasoli Maran]

more advanced ones will continue to in-
crease unless we apply brakes for the for-
ward areas. I am afraid we cannot do it.
What is required is to give a helping hand
to these backward areas and the States
and at the same time, we should not apply
brakes to the so-called forward States.
Again, we should never think that the for-
ward States have no problems at all. They
have their own problems. They also re-
quire more infrastructural investments just
to maintain their developmental manage-
ment. An advanced State is more identi-
fied with more urban areas. But, urbanisa-
tion bristles with many problems like the
creation of inhuman hovels like slums.
In what way this problem is different from
the backward areas — I want to ask. So
I Jay once again emphasis on the balanced
approach.

The Pandey Committee has given about
six indicators to determine the backward-
ness of an area. But some of them are not
scientifically proved methods. That is my
conclusion. For example, one of the indi-
cators is the percentage of the agricultural
population to the total population. Tms
may look a good indicator bin this ignores
the pressure on land

The per capita industrial output is also
considered. Bur, what is the value added?
It never goes into the problem On that
aspect, it is found to be useless. The
Per capita factory workers to the total po-
pulation is being considered In that case,
Bhilai is there, but the area around it is
still backward. In Kera<a there may be
more factory workers, but those workers
are suffering because they are connected
with the sick and dying industry of Coir and
Cashewnuts. They say that they will take
into consideration the length of surface
roads per lakh of population. This also is
misleading, > Take for example, our district
of Kririinagiri. It connects Bangalore and

Madras City— two forward areas. It will
not solve the problem because in this par-
ticular case the length of surface road may be
higher, but the area is backward.

Therefore, what is required is, more re-
fined concepts. 1 lay emphasis once again
on the balanced approach.

Sir, setting up of public sector units in
backward areas alone is not going to solve
the problem. We require an integrated
approach and that is possible only if the
plans are entrusted with the State Govern-
ments and only if the districts are taken as
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totto, TOfro TOftsp r ft to ft*r ?>»tt aftr

?? Th?T TOH *r?*TT ftfft? W TO TO
ftt ftff TOT TOT Rft mf I I ftft *f TO
amt ar?hm ftt aft fro ftfft? stit to
mt r*fn^lti ft fTOT fftTT ft TOftft ^ eft
"TO fro ft ?TO *TPTft mft m?f fft
Hid to mm m?t aftr ^rrt flH

% TOT ft 'ddfl^ TOTO TOT +?T '

“I am also glad to inform you that the
Planning Commission has already
set up a Committee of Direction for
undertaking surveys and investi-

gations in the hill areas of Uttar
Pradesh.”

arwft t^F % *t>i«T*in ft TOfftTOfttn
TOT TOT ?ft ^ <M*i *T?t TO TOrTT ^ I

tS* ft qj? mr *7# mit tot %ft

ft froft to TOft? ??t fft TOm 1 1 w

# STP# *Ft ¥5 ffPPTT TTdT J ft^FT

H wr ftv r^ ft r <rt
fMN WR i Wt< VT ^RTOt ^TTT
smfh sfrr ?tpt i «pr rt?tt ^

fcr VT eft^T ft ?ft *f>5 ft<n 4ldl ^ Hid ?T
ft ^ SPTt Hid RT^fy ft ^ ft

3TOT afW t ?fr fiwr TOff t ftr ftrc
vt^i ^%irr t

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^ a|cr toO 1 1

fftrtT ^triV to TOft *r nf «ft r

TO% HT«t ft TO TO? TOT aiT I <TO 9:

to? ^n 5 >% xftfro trp- art «ft 1 ft to% tot
frotrrro ft aft ?r # TFftro ft aft in, v ro fr r
ft aft ITT, ^fttcTO anftr to to? ft TO%"
?T I ^?>ft ??t *?f? ^ftTOTT TOT
ft R?T*t % J.v TO TOTft vt TOT ^ aft
fth: naft to? ? rot *??r mi ?o ifto % sft^
tftfronc aftr nrorO mrorfrot ft ^R-mr
^?tft R? m?T fm ?? wtot fWr |?n ^

Trot ^ifft ft fftn TOrarftfj mm ft?rr
?Tf?ft I ^?tft ?o «fto ft aftTOT fftfTOT
^ to ft m?T fft anror ft fm? m ^*ft 1
tot to q?nft srftar mr TOrft fro TOt Mt,
TOT fty TOtftrfftm ?tto arrrft TOt ^wft
?ft ft TOrftr mR ?an totoV i ajft ft ?nnft

ftrnft TOTftt ft ^Tn fft?T ift rt ^r

fftnr ?r 1 TOft fttorrr ft ^tft to
tot m?t «ft 1 TO^ffr tot m?t aft fro Rft
?rt ftt nrft ^fnqi mr mrrft t
TtR tovt nrmTT ft mnft to ^ nm tot

^fft I TO ft TOT ft TO?! g fft TOT TOT?
fft TOT ftV ^ 3 ft TTRFnft ^ TOTO TOTHH ftft

?ftTT 1 tot ft ?nmft eft ?ft m? fror
tott | fft TOTOi ft m?t aftr ??t m?ft I
eft m? froT tott fft fftFftt ftt m«tt
to to? ft fB? ??t ?>ni ?ft ftft fro to

T^ ft ?? GFFTfro 3ft t ?? fftft ft TOT TO

?)TTT ?Tfro *fri ?? TOTT TO?T ^rf?? I

TOT ?>n naft g|T TO ??T 5^ ?t nft*n I

3RT cTT> fftft ft TOT TO TOT TOTfTO R?f

ftrft er? erm ?? tost gftarr to?t t|?t i

annft fft?T tot ? t r?ft mrrft m?r fft ^r
fejftq ftg ftt* TOr^ftfl T?TOTOft^^
*fr $ft TO toto fftftt ?# ft ?m ft ft

269 Motion Re.

BHADRA 1,1894 (SAKA)

Schemes for 270
Backward' Amu

Hem mm 1 1 4? ^3 ipnm %% 9i9t m*
*jti mi 99 war 9t ^mrn 5% if f%39
»jv ff9 fc%%w 4t* % JB 3#

ftmi 99 mifr ftm 491 ?rt mmtkrc jrt
ft I 3mtkl9 *rt $® 319 4$ 3T T|t 1 1
fj ^sftfrtt oti 44 *f | *fk 45 %t
*ft am 3T%t $ fmr % 394 % 919 fti
ftra if mm bi mm 99 3i finite ft,
%% am *f 9ft 3t Tft fci *9 mf %
vhwi % bt ffi 3t mm 9 % 919 «f gd
fmff 93 933*4 4ft xsr ti+M, 399 % mft
mit T9 939 1

JTT5?T TT?9 9% 4Tcl 4% 917 91 '#4
% 9 tn mrr mt*r?r 4?3t ff eft 4$9 Rwrt
i 4fti9 tt u*r fajt ®ft 9fi if
9 9 i 9 t ft 9 % *9 wTf «ct 99 %t 53 bi
99 f mi mm | arm qr 9fT3B 9? qrer

993 m 93<ft ^ 9k m* % ®: fmr q%

993 % if 39T ftf mwtemf % 4t * 91 % |
mr % 9?i tt m9 9K bt % mm mm f
m m^rt 3t "fte tc m* bt 9 mm mm
£ m far mmff b% qte qr m? bt jimt?
an wr ?tm 1 1 ffi m?* 9 k qkki ft

ftrft ^ mr mt % fm? i 343r mm mr

*nrf 999 94 ffm 1 1 *9 mf if mrr 39
mrm % l%5t ft % 49 * %t 30-35 ran 99
qfi m bt mt qmff 1 1 ’iff ftrmft Tfmr
*i 9 t f 39% qm 9 mn «mm 9 f r 9*9% 1 1

fiff (94MM9 BT HiPnc 9t 9fT 9f9 34TCT

ftm ^ i *9 mi% if mfm f. ft? %9t miff
ai 9199 % jimti mfmt 49T i%t mff% 1
39 4 t ft% | 344 % mrr 9fk % mm ft
?ft ?mfta it 459 wmr 39 m mm 1 1
ftrmrt q%99 ft%t t tPf B9t m 39 % mm
jimti qr 99 m 9 m 1 1 mr
4 mwf 9fft if mif ft Hft 1 1 mmmff
iffq qtf, qf% 99 9f 9ff 99 m^ qj9
9ff 99% I 9f^f *fl

9T9-m9 9ft 9t m^fm 959 4f
nt 1 1 9ft mnrt mr 9ft maft (1 mwft
Hfmr mw tm 9|9 99rt $1 ircrf m
if qf9999T9 #r |, 9 ? mrtt ft mft
9Tf^ 1

if q? <rf 9jm ft? qaftm i 9|t 9W wfft-

9firt ^tft 9Tffif I 9T 41981 9939 9fT
3f 9*1% %foq 3tf 99 jftmffKt 9t919|Wr
if fmf m% Miff* i qt* 9^999 9 % 9|9

59 m 9fm 919 9 I 9|T 9% 9falff % 99 f)%

7w 999fn 9 ft firm m x^t f i

99% *9f95t99t 991 4t m 999% 1 1 9T99

ft% gtj 09i 9ft fqm m Tgf ^ i ftmtar

ft9tf%9 999TT 9^191 % 999% 09 9 *4 1 98'

f%m mm m^i i jztr 9?ff9 tre 9ft 9m-
f%9 r+9 m% mff% i jmfta 9ft vmfmt
9% m%t mff9 1 9T9 %fmr m9tm %

ft 99m % I 9fl*t 9%sft % 99t 99 mm-

ft9*m?t9f imfm 4t m 999 % t, mr sffr
9t99% wi9 am mffi 1

mm 399919 9% 9ft 99T9T ftm 4RT
mft% 1 %% f%9 trr 9if9 9 % jpt 1 1 %
99 914 9T99tT % TfT f I 34 % 919 %
Tft f I 9f 99 919% ^ * %Tt *4131
9999k % ftmt 9Xf 39 4ft |l 9f 3ff
mm |. ffmmft9i9 — mitramm i ff9T49
^TT 9fl9 1 1 9ft 9f9 1J9TT *%f%9T
t, 9ft9T t gmr mm* 1 1 mr «9 3t %•%
1 9 499 394919 3% 9ff 99T9T %% 3t WfT
9199% f999 S9H %m 9Tff9 1 99 ^ft*

9ft ftm m 93 m 1 1 f i ft 34 *< % am,
t>ft+H4< % 99fT, 1^99 9f99%4 % ftf9
919% f ® 4ft ftm 1 1

% <T3 9f%9 919 3f 3T 991*9 39 ^9T I
9ff 3t 44m *%49T f394 % 99 91 ^3t
1 1 9f 91f4f | ftf 9ft % fmj *3 993
9199 49191 3TC*, 4 ft 9% 9t %9F49 4t
99f 3T T199 44191 419 91 394% $£41
«rjf%f%13i llftm *m ft9T 4191 *9%

2?l MotiortRe. AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for 272

[aft aft* fft?

* Sfo* WTST ST I ftfrs ft ftS 7 Vt

naft sar anar s^t ^rnprr i ft ftar ft war
wtsst g fa ftft sgs wstst was fiwi
aft nx srss at 't^tt % ssft sift ft atr

aft aft rnrn i t i aft *r*3t anr want

| afta msft ft, ss for fams, ftfafftaa
fwsra arm «rft> nsr agar ft ftftc far
aft aPTT ssft Pnsi gij sst% froft sftr

aft frj 75ft ft at as a* ftt jsfta aft sra

?ftift 1

aft «TOn WTO II 9 MIH (s*n*i J k)

WTOt «ftSTS TTS M%a TT % aft prof SWTSft

aft ssf aft sttst ft arts ftra % ftni
a? sta aft ft fa aa smsft % ffta
fsswTT ‘ft'H'im a'tiC SW* ^ l ft

www *tst g 1

1952 ft a a a mre itwf ft stswftr
fsfsss ft sts sr atst f 1 as at
ftrr stana am ft fa ft ftw ^ai ana swast
to agr ft j> 1 fans aws ftar, sws nta
mi«i ntr arc aftt fasr stst ft wfft
sg ftm stst ft ft faro aw stfassro star
ftcin ssst ft 1 as sgs ftt ntr arras
aft «na ft 1 fas aft saw ft $s siara
gtst ft as stst % mar ft sr srr, :jw star
% wars ft wsr anw fttft ft 1 a? sft aftt

ft<

ftrr ?«iai $fs sura ft i sgr tc
fts age ft Tprpnvr age ft, swasr sire ft
sgr sr awaa *ft s§s gtat ft, sfts: saws
aft swfa ftftft ft 1 sgr aw aafta srtrt aft
arftV fti sstsst fast, ftsstrr Pitot, staw-
ftr fftft ags ftt Pret jft ft, ^aaw a at
aflf awt ft fttr a fttft ft 1 rraa aftft gwft
wwt aft wftf fti

ftaj wa^ *rr aftap: arrfa Psaft faro
ft jw wftt ft, ftftpw ftarc aw arcwrar

Backward Areas

ainnwar ft aftwT wtwt wrfftft «tt, ar^twa wt
wmawn ft 1 narc ftwRar fftft ft ajw
?t 5 TT ft, ftfara 5 to ft waft aift aw, aw
awrwRT aiftt aftr waft arrr?rfti fftror
atawftr fftfaww ft agw ft, aftr aai-
aar Paft ft ana aft agw wwrw ft, ftftw
wtt aw awwrwx aftwT ft wwtwt wwt ft
sftr fwft awranft ft fftrft fwrfta aftr fttarc
aW WTW fftWT WT T?T ft I 6 Hl^ WWT aW 5 W,

wrftt *fk wwt era ft ^rrar fttwT ft, ftfftw
fttwt an awnjRt a^t fttr wn wt ft 1
aftt cr^ carac aw awTanrwT ft fttwft

fttawr ft 1

aw aftarr ft a? wtw areft wtw ft far
ara^ra w^a a.‘r wrafftawn at aift wV ftrsta
waawa aft srrft stw ft ft ara ra^at ft
w?at ww aw fftwW araiftt fawnftt ft awr
waft tiw ft raaftw annft ft, ftfarw aft
arw ft fa: rjw spft fasrot arw ^ jit ait
ft 1 wnr aw war wt ft ftr fowl at aft
Wf w wrwawt ftt a?ft ft 1 wra ww ^ afttw
sfta wwa wa wwt wife ww % aw*r
anft wnft wfat wa saw w*mn wt tst
ft w^ aiwfow ft 1 am ms wftt fftw ^ftt

ft aarfft ms aft aftnw 50 mft ft, ftfari

swar ft as so ^aft ft 70 *wa war a 7
fftwwt ft 1 sw frafo ft fowna mfft-srfft
arc aft ft 1 asft writss aiV waawa aft tt
a“a; ewtw ftwr sifsa 1

»aft %o ftto ftgt % wa ft 3 W ara ft
fwa war mats asrai saT ar fo asrssa
fft% ft aifswT^aa <Sar?ft a^r wsrf aia 1
ssrssa fftft ft ?s % fftft saTaft
aafts waraTaa aft af 1 <s aa ftt aft ft

ftfos wa? aft aft aaa at a^T sift stst

ft aV as aats ftawa sat ft i ana
aw an J mar srteT ft aarar sat ftii

ftft «ftd aftft a[ao «ftp s^t ft? 4tawftr
fafaaa ft ft nftroc st swan aw ssra g 1

27S Motion Re.

BHAORA 1, MHSAKA)

Schemes far 274
Backward Arras

1 1

"tfatrar wit h ^ .^raror i£fe, «nf
5iwm »refr tm gfe i" ife «ft$
qfoMaw ftirc ^ | i wfjt at sragr
flfe arfa’jr *T?rt *ft surra £ i §rf4ra f

arjpTT airrar g fa at, «fr ata sgrjt
wwft *ffe ataat ^ffen arat at *Fvrc
swt^ $ A * fmaaift rt tfaa aar fern
£ atr it 5tTT ara r^r ^ i spt a?n
wsr % ata ataa ^ t fa wfe era
if atrr trm »t atf ftapr-ara *gt g*n 1 1
ir at %aw ftwrc gt ar naar g fa ife
m% at ara eth fear afe i murw
ifet at featfeat srh affeft a srt <m

# i <t a nea t er at ^jt a?r ?, art 3
srfe «a % fefe Ta at fearfea at ar-

TRTT I

sfta mfaWR % % TO TO

* frofTO-^cr # ^ sft, sftroft
Tf^TT TOft sfrr ?ft jftTTTrft TOrf t'T

ft <ftm XlY* 5 TO 30 fl'RT fTOT

toit 36 <?tpj *tot *r Tot i

TO HTTO *FT TO*? & fa

^ fnrrt to ■'fT faro

to^: to * wft sfasH faro fi

TO *t *t$ 5Tft ^TOft |, 3Tf^F TO

stt vfiro faqr toi £ 1 to^ to ^tt irttft-
^ftTror froT 5n^ srYc *i?rr to jrfa
^F^rr^n: % *>k<sTO ijr tto i
t *sft TT5T TOT 5^ 5ft ^t TO TO7TT ^
^fro *f ^rr ^tt^tt ^ Pf> fsfa^H
TT ^ TOr ^ 8 TOFT ?ftr sfrKTJT it 6

toft ^ f f&nr *r ir et ftrfror* «ftr ^
Ircl firftrcr to to | i Ftoto m to
% wref % 5tcn 1 1 ?r*r ^fr TOft ?tvt toto

to?t

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Originally
two hours were allotted for this debate,
but on the demand of the Members the
time has been extended. Today we are

allotting three hours and the debate must
definitely conclude at 5.30 today. At
5.30 we have some other business. Now
1 would like to know how much time the
Minister wants for this, because we will
fix it up according to that.— Half an hour.

So the Members will finish their speeches
at 5. The Minister stares exactly at 5
and he concludes at 5.30. Theie is a large

( Interruption ). There is the Mover also.

So I think we will conclude the Member s'
speeches at about 4 45. We give half an
hour (o the Minister and a few more minu-
tes. . . . . ( Interruption ).

What is the point of order ? I am on my
legs. Is my being on my legs a point of
order 9 ( Interruption ).

Order please. Now, we will conclude
ihe discussion at 4 45 for the Members;
for the Minister half an hour, and then
the Mover of the Motion will have some
time after that.

Wha f I am saying is this. There is a
large number of Members who still want
to speak I will try to give an opportunity
to each one of them. But l would request
them to confine themselves to five minu-
tes. Even so it may not be possible to
accommodate evciybody.

sft TOJTj mi : TOT TTTO

itTTO f I TO faTO TOT TOHtT §

TO % TOPI TOTTO TOTT TOTOTO B I
TO $ it fTO fTOfi fir | *It[ TOPI
TO f I

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER This

is not a point of order; if there is any point
of disorder, it is this.

«ft TOH fTO TOJTO (TOfTOT) : TOTSW
TOtro, tot to worrit fo?TO
tot xk !, %fro Fifir ^ fa
TOt TO TOT TOTOt % TO *TO-

fro % it ft 5 rr^ ^r% fafror

215 Motion Re $ AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes &r 276

Backward Areas

pft tow fww wgwtj

fffi % TOW* TO IfiT Sf 22 TOT? WtW
wkw-WFH wt frorow fkrfw Sr wt trow
fcwfw Sr t wk to tot? wk Stot $ *
Vht jft w?t # wtw wt to ®w *r

filTOW ft T?\ f^T % TOW fcfWW TTTO

wk fifww ww firo gw $ 1 tot to qftfrwfa
*?t *jtrr<} % fro tow toT sstwt tot wt
nw wtot fw^qvtdw* ftwfi tot ?i wttoVi
fromf wTtotw wwrf w$ ?, 5 wfsft wtrot
iT wwif w£ wtrorw ?, fro St firow

I'wK TO 5WR Wft fTOT TOT ^ I

PR wroY to-tottwt wt fafcw towt-
frow f row ST yrtfe fro 1 1 fw w w*ft

TOT wnww ujt TOTOWT TO fTOJW TOT STff
fron | wk ?w * farow% ^wtroft tr%
WTOTWT S I TO TOTW ^TTOfWTOW W^-
fWW TTOTT St Wsft ?T T?T t I TOTfTW %

fro sftr^ro wrswfro % wwrtSTwt wtto
firT TO ft W TOiZ TOcT ^ far wftJTOTT WIW-

wfro w^Y totto ^ fro to |, tot TfSr

St ft TO TO TOTTOW WW f I argcT WT
TOTtWTT WTT*W ?, wSt WfTTT*£ W TOTOWT
W m TO TO WTOT TOTW TOT? St I %fTO

wtw % wrrw w?t fan fr k 6w fwrcit w
otIwY to fwwfar ?twr wrf?w fro % wfrw

fw^rw TO TTOTT ?tw ?> W% I TOTW
Wf TOT Wt WTTOrT WflJW Wft WfWT WTTOT
I fir fWTTT fifTT Wf WW ^TT? ST STTflTO
tort % srnrrT to to *St to) ?kT wrf?w
fww fifTT % ITOT ^ ^W *T 5it fWTOFH
TOI ft5Y ^ TO TO 40 WfWTOT WTOT/^fT kT ftWT
| Wf fifTT WTW TO ST fo®?T gWT ^ I WT^TO,
TOTO, wfiWTTOi WTTO*T Wk TORT
W TOTW UTfJ ifrt f^TfTT, f»R %■ WTOTT

«r ftr %<r #r swMfn ft T^T |
firfrc If f^rnt |i «r^t m*m

% flTRTT k* l,

ftfrr *f sm *mrr?r mm 1 1 ftfw *r
t!*iH ^ttw $, ^nrra anft*r

1 1 ft % iff fifrc: wwrr

^ft | ftr ftfR vt itt viW'it sfr

ftwft TW TTRT jfftHT % TPPT WT

TT *ft Tf *TR t^T Vt tet*»< Ht^« fT
^ |l 402 srfir *npw ttw fliftr
^ ^ iff 1 1 ?ir^ irawT f^rr ^
T?r (Him T? T#T TltHRWt % JTT %■
TK f f 1 1 5ft Tnm% Vt *TiT | f% >Tf 4h»t
jfftRtf 5rpT^»rft»fh:wTfyTfT|’

lft'4'TTWt Tt 5TR T^T TPint T I T VT HT8TT
ft(H ^ i JiHuh wt tin Tnrmmr

Mt TTT TT(T ?T «T(R T«% | fef

HTfr jfpSRTVt 3PI ITPI THRT p5R %

fri TI THIH ^ fjRTO 4W’
'TgfT % ^ ^?ir % Tit <nn4H i < | ?fk
HMM4Kt «n % «T>HTt *IP|; V$
| fspT % SIN Tt ftr«TT U^I TPRT -4lf(« (
Tl'Tfw ^»T ^ ’TKTSNNt JH if q>WR
?t >lf fsitT 3¥ ^T loi'ill *If jSTT |
STTTrTN, f’PpTfspRIN «ltT Wl^fW %
5?iNt 4n *ft sfr^fcr Prat gt ir fesm
gl INT 1 1 %ftN ft^R IRWI, 3TTT
Jltn SNfHT, TN*T % Prat T*TNt
SRT*IT, *lnic4*r stVt »TS*T 5NTT % 5*ntT #

snrit tift ^ ^rt gf |i rr srtnl #
sign ^fr snrit | srtr tw %t stn
H gt ?NFit ?ft Ilf ftin Pf STN %

Prt igci ft TRis htt ft aiitin srtr stn
TIT TT*TT3RT? TH NNT TR5T TT 15 ! ft T|*n l

ftfn; vt forfa sum WT I? ftfTT
^tfRift irf^fri araPF^tw^tsPr
srflRT STN 589 {t< PifIT Vt 402^^1
firfir^t ftrwi ^t ?ftfW (ft tor ¥t
fwwr tit sprat mft 29.3 vftra« | Wft

fjTfTT Jt %TTT 18.4 fPtTRT { I <ftT WtWl

277 Motion He.

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA)

Schemes far 27t
Backward Arete

fasrf ^t fasr tpt st aftrtf %to i
srfiwra fafttr if sff fasft ft 1 fa^rr 4?
<jVt TOfat s?t tftfas sr h«ikh * tot*
if 12 8 faro ftwr ft, SHTW 4 <*HI if
13 Jiftnpt fawr ft, shpt if io Tffaro
ftf«T 1 1 aftr Safaris SS ft TO fa artst
ST HTHT Star ST $ft (fl - TO *HMSl TO
TOST SlSSf if 5*1 TO Tft ft I ?St

HTfT if fHSTft stT fasst % STH% if faSIT

arfrr frost jitt fti fasrc % too sto *s
rot * tots sat if fa* if str sore *rat
S TO *Pt W MTS'S iff faro ST iffas vlf
♦ITORt sftt ?> T?(f ft I fS?TT if 4 tTO 6
nfatfld HtS S^tt if TH% | I ST^f dMlH
sts stst if ft i reft srssst aft fa^rr
if ft Tftt ft to to rfa+ivi fftrsf rot if
wm ft, 'JSfl4H'H"f * dpi wini ft I SStTT

TO ft fa frorc sg s pf fwst totot if ft 1

Tf? 4r STHS if irf^T STH TOffS %
TOT fftSTH TORT TOT ft, TO if 4TTO 9
%riWf<Tf TfS TO ?STTO if TS f^JTTS if
STSt ft I ?ft ft* 3HTTO if faro *n if SR-
STS SSTSt StfaS HtT TO STS fTOTT 3TRT
TOfftih *TT TJSTS ft fa STS TS 4TS ST
SSTS 4 I

HIT TOT TO if Sst if faTOS HIST HTjTS
ft StT fTOS gs ISIS* Hf TOT SfTST HTsTS
I iff TOST TOS SS fttST STfftS ft* SgS

saft if sfs gtrrr % ^sht ro sss if

STT* I TOS TO TO^TT S?t TOTST TO if
aft ft I TO iff TOf^f TOT St TOSf ft

fam t ft frost fates tots if farot sti
to * affas tots if ijstt ht% % fro fros

SfTOTS TOT Ht TSTSf fisf iff <. off TO

jrfirro fros ^fror vf tot tot % to %
fro to 4>t t *3 toth % s?f roft i aff
iff TOTTOT St arret I far% % ^TOf Tf tffT

TTTO % ^TOf <TT S? Sfjf SS if TT^ S^f
«ff amff t wM ifTT 5BTS | f«F ft> TOT
Wt jffarsr aff iff ror^ f fiwt rorsff %

fW Mmi ^st^ si: rtr am % $rof
to to <f?r TOrf^ro irmit

.^tfart wta aft iff s^r to snftrei ft to

Vt TO TOT 4ft fTRTTO TtfW fa TOT sit
TOTfft ss jftromt % TTOfRTO TO fSTO
a^ifti s?t Tft ^tsT s? | fa #ffif art
irt^ ^ TO toh if s^t rot anifi faarr
^rorroft vkit ftst ^ TO % «ftrif TO
TOTH Sift ftST I TO STS 4> TOT fails WfS
TOS S?T TfST STfTO I TO TOfat if Tfa TO

tooths, faroft to faros %f(K sti wts
sifts TOsf to faros HT^ %t arrocs 1 1
^fts.rna^f anfsi aft r^rft ^ arj totst
i? ssts if s^t TOrrf arret % i s|s ^ fcrr

% srt if TO ^ TOT ft TOT Sff MrllfaS arsST

4* sste 4* sat asrf stiff ft i sfars s^r
'rnfss sroft anst ft a T T f ^r s % arfrs
if str ro hh spt roffros 4; to iw
vf s^tstts str arssr ro ssti sftt ro

TO FT7 TO SS TOT STS STt SfaiSTS STS

' 4.X

^ ?t TT^ft I ifrr ^ ^TT I % VTT
lT?Tr^^ 3ft «FtM 3* % W$
sr# ^ vt r <rct vtfW %ftr 3fwr wr
frftr?r i arffe^r % %vT ^T

cfrfw f3RT ^ 3F m Jpt lTt3RR ^ 3TR I
rfhc *jfa wm vt H^r w ferret to |
wt Mt »ft % h*M<i ; 3Rf 3fTT
r^TRT TOR? ?t?TT t tftx ^r
% f?r$ ^rPr gsrn: *p ?rraTTJW» 1 1 pftrt
^ 3r^ft t fr v* tftsRT vt ^ rr tr
5TTT fe^TT ^ W^R I ?T<ft f^T

sr^fft vt ?ftr ft frot 3$ wft vr froro
1 1 »lft ?ft Ph^. ^ ^Wn
^ frot itir% xm * fat

«ft qft^rtw *5$5ft (fept TOTO) :
TTTWW MW]# % 25 VT5T % TO

p hr ^ tfWhr TOrom p %
wft t fTOTT TO Tt ^1 w t tr TO*

279 Motion Re. AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes far 2S0

Backward Area*

[ftt aftiafaa $«ji<t]

araa anat *?iaa af fa r ft ?rteft ft 1
afttaa ft fr ?W & *W aR TO <TT fTOTT

"TOft TT fttaT ?rt PTOT ft TOpr ft TOTOT
| ft* fatWT TO*T fftTOT aTfTO «TT ^ aft«T-
IW aga ftt ?W ft I ft TO giTO ft?T aigdT

jf ft* atTOT 3 TTOT*T TT aaftt aTWTWa sftfa
ft gu aw gsro Tftrro ataar «hihI arffta
aftt ft* Sf#p CRT aft aaftt faita TOTO

ft *fa TO ST *WTETW TOl %TO TO ftar
arfftif aarra w % far aw sro Jr aftt
•jftTOT atfti $aft, froi ga wat ft wTfan

TO TO*T TOT aft ftt SI tfT[ % JTTETO ft TOW
ftffta TO to 4> i 5hTu i *h a^ta hto to
gWr aTffta i -ttto fta fa* to to agaata
TOT aft wrata ®war % fftar ft aaarr
Star ft ar aftt ? ft aw % fftroa awar
TOfTO {T fft TO 5 ft*T WWM<T T fTOW % faa
to Tto awfaarar fftw tow ft irat arfi?a
aft ftt TO % fftft f® TO% TO TO ftPit
aft TOWTO tow qi to aTO ft faaftfta f. i
15.38 hrs.

[Shri K.N. Tiwary in the chair]
ftW TOK % TO* TfroW % aW TOTOt
5 WT *('K ^ ftt, W ^ n"M ni****)

TO*T TO 3TW ftt TO aft atT 3 aift TOT TTW-
f*f*i] TO ITOnT T f TTTT I SRP tt^TT

5* 1*1 ar to a;at Pro

aftt TOW TOt STTOT ft tRTO fwfta TO

♦<.*) % f*i^ to araaaa; ft fa; araat
fttTOT it 3ft ftft TO STTOW aif TOT ft
Prai aaraft aft aa ft tort awfftawT
•a | atTOT 3TTTOT ft TOt sf)'»Hi*l TO TO
TOtf ft TO ^ %TO wrftta TOWT

ftt aft? TOtTT ft, ?a ft fftftt % fftft aftt
aarf afta* asrft *pf ^fTOT sftr tot TOf toit
t? nf f i

tot farrt TOTO*r to totto to »t

frarsTftn TORT | fro aft tt tPrttotot
wPjr | TO tl fTOg to ^ TOTOW
HR % TOfftTO TO TOTTOTT TOTW,

Tftr vm t^ft?TOW TO TOTOWT fftSTT

*r tort, %ftw to TOtrort it «ft Trofftr
towt Tt Ttroro from It i to aficro

TOfTO at % TO it ftTOTT Wfft TT%
S atr froPw TORt % 5 ft»r at TOt fR-
ttr >n^ £i toPto girw f 'm ft? tot

TO TOff % TOTTO% at TOTfW TOW ft TO

% to aftrr Tt trtot at aw to afimr
a ft; to to awroff ¥t wroar % ftrft

aw arrot i a> aw % i n'riwft<t *nw-

aa ft to at at to tott at ftarro fttat
arffta ft; *awta atat at aftp-rf aw faft
atr tow'Pt atat ar ttswr faWi

a« W» fftro % srrr *t to 7 fafw yr
ftafa to ft fa to ar w % atat a
aw la faar awr ft i at at arowr tot
afta % aw ir %^s at ara it at awt ft,
ft aw a am aia% wga a® - at aw ar
araa p awar, aa ft ft "a tot tot at
TOwt TOrat aft aftt faaT fti ft aw ft
TO at froro awr aT?w I* fa <ftart to
toPt fttror ft tot aw-amt T . at 57
arftr wrr faar aw aftat qaaffa ftrroT
ft 145 ar'w war faar 1 ftrar to at
atart to toPt aftaaT ft 1 1 aftR itwt
faar, tot aftat to toPt ataar ft 35 aft?
?tot faar 1 fftaraa afta at eftaft to
toPt ft ) tot ft 37 aft? war faar agr
aftftt aaTOfa fttror ft 87 aft? tow Ptot,
ftfaa a® at® % fsa afwwr at fta ftar
at a^t fror aar 1 arwtr, ararft?, aaa
awft fa«a far arft ?, atarw tro ft
ftfaa to at aft aftarra wa ft 1 afa aTWtT
at aroa arfaraw ft faat ^ aft TOift,
aroa ^ta ft fa®ft ff ft, ga at. ?at |tt-
feffta rwrfw ft fw am arffta 1

aawfa agtaa : aa aw arw atfftft

ftt aftawfa a ftwftt faf w asft ^t
aat a afftft, at wra ^t ara sftfaa 1

281 Motion**.

BHADRA 1. 1894 (SAKA)

Schema to 28®

Backward Arms

gwgfg gjttgg: qfg Pro % g?t
5*tri wr q?t fira fa% gg wrr
qfr mn ?Rg %gr gTfjpl i wr Rre ggy
| <ft sjrm et^jt *p^t % f^TT art roi % i
*W Wg Wg qClfaq gR gg gg r^li
IT*BT g# ^1

wft gfa'jtSrfgR Wnl . gg n<.?4 % fTOE
|g 'f«iTTi % fgg *ttt qfr ctggrgt v\ tR?
qrt rnp w^rn irrsr ggtgy wfeg ggY

fgRT fgqgg ift gq>4l 1 1 gTHT gRg gY 5 !

TT^ g %ii— ti^Y gR ?’l Tift $ I OT It WIRT

ggT g^ W ggRT I g% g %R if <lf!l«HT
fgrpft gYg g 5TTR g fgggy % I 3vR g%9T

qft *r+r qgifr ^grqg % gm fgTg gift
Tgf £ I guff gtfWRg frrRg/gg
SHIig g>t 'Ey? qTFt % fgg gg jTTCt Fj
*rw ggr qr iTgjifar qr? ^u^ffyg fgTfag
gw q^gT wwr w * Rrt wtrt ggr

*TfT] f T *Mll I

sgfgg g fagrr ,w^ T >J qggr qrgrr %
fa frog Frfat T'r srftr^r g>gRg k, frei
Tgyqg qg, wr gg qgRtggRYg qg fsfg-
fgggg fj, wr qr> gfaq: srfgfgfacq
gTfwr fag ftfg g sgq wg qw^y sgiqg
qg git qgsgR, hhihj, fegrgg sfeg gT
j*rr utrt qg Y fa f. i

Wt srfat qr grg ^ qg »fr fgggg qRgr
qigfrrg fa qnRT wrapt igr fag qg ^r
ggg fglrffag q*Y dlfa fq WE g"i 1 4' % tTPT

gqgY gwrarctr ti srt ^ gwrg ns ?fa i

w° wf>gTn»m qr»Jq (g?qk) : ggT-
qfg ggftq, *sfy gmrq qfy gfggR girr

srfgTg qn qnrqg q> vt gq R fggqg q><Hi
'gTggr g f% grog ir fcr Jf fgg jt^r ?y
<rqr gfgR r g qRr B fggrg gygT grfgg
qj gg fgqgg ggrty gRgT ¥f g^fgftrar
% wi, jftafgT *TRftg ^y syq: syqr jfyfngy
% g gl^ ^ «Bm ut gtggrtfy *r gg srgiK

qfy gfegy % qrmr fagfr mftr gfrar
gg gqrr gg?n TgT f q gt qgy i m yifg ?fy
ggrt glgrf VT fggTff fff 5WIT % gw Rg
ggT »py ggrr-gfRr sfY gR wg wnr
wg>fy ’srfgg l ^gfy grg; grgt g>r fgg>TO,
fw gfngiy grr fggro, fg?ffr wgg g^
gw, fgg gg fqr fgqgg gygT ggg wgww
gT I gg %gg gqTT gYg gg STfg ggy
f^ir qrr g?g ggy qfsggy ggrsr, TJgr-
qgTg w gsg sygg qg ggg ggy %,
gy frst fgr%|, fgg % srfgqgrr viftgitfl

gT gfyq fqgg sfyg g># t, gg fgwt %

fgqgg qg g?g ^ i gfg syqr % tw wg
fgfii 4 % wyqi ?*gi+ 1 gor g^gr % wta
S M 1 4 jTT qfqq gfggT g '*Tf qg g

qgY ggT% t, ftw qg frogi ligrqg +^r qfnrr

t gff fq^sT gRT grgT f sffr qft fgqgg
^ gfcr g wgR qy# f

g'*nqfg w, iy gw q%g qg gq> ggRfi
RT gRrrr ^ i gig qtg % WTE q>,
?TTggT fggrs ?gT% gy, ftfg g%qr %
qrfgqg ^'ii+y qg grfgg gt wq qigg Rb
gg g gg g ggRi qgqr qy, grqqg ott
flVRg gF q^y gTEfg t gEg 5r%g it fggT
v°vii qgq 4 fgqrg gqgtt ^ qft tn^ ^y
g i qmg T q?y ^fg qR gq^r gw ggrq>
^y FTg 4ggbr ^ qtq 1 1 %fq^r g?
grcr ^rrqg gf sgjqg t fqg qfy frow WTqg
qw ww 1 1 fg?R % wgr gt gt gn^g

g »fy frot wrqfy % wgr t, qfirggy

gggr gY gf g?y fggfg TrgFng t gt
g?y frorr wnqg, fgg it wfiRTgY gg%

fgqfys gtr ggg^f % gTgqrg qg Ygrqg
gw frqr-qggBE qgfa gtw it fwq^
q^Tvn grw g %fqig gg qg gqgyg *1+
gr? it g^y tw gg qg fgqgg gft
ft r ^ i gR g?r »y gggfgg gf^gy qR
gtq> qgfgr smg gfr few w t^t fi if
ggf g?yqg qg Egtg wfy fRqr ferngt wggt t

AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward Aeea 284

283 - Motion Xe.^

llT» *<pfrtKI<ia nt*i]
fast prtf t at.'amm rt*HH $ atm
n ^'5 *at» ttrr agt ar ftona at art*
«rtr at agf Tgir m% $ p*T»ft rtam
at mirt, mrtt rtaro % man mra*a
am nrifih am fc* fnfa* mnff if
paft ap mat martam ?i

*ar *f aat agrtn ir fMiw to
aig*n f* atam rtarn, aart rtam anr
aar rtamlf if «ncm mama aft gf«? ir
omf Mr ms at if naftar g an waff on
Pram aa nfa if man gt a%mi am
arcHaa aont % mm ir sg to art at
tfWM % orta prtt ar rtam star %
*#* ngr am irta ir pi oil on fura
n$ gt TgT p am srt* if mrtnmt a|
ait nrtt rt*a prat if rtait 25 mat if
aataf at tamr nff gf $1 rtgra art
oftnat am* if at pt nan: % mngmr
$1 mrorm if aaafx ir, na at anmrt
aart ait ftng anat at am np gtam*
$1 to: gmra «a if atf at amron
mnar tot aart t 1 pfmt tn fHaaa
t fa at frot p pm f naif afsrarfaa
armrrt mrrt to i
rtaat % art it agar mma aami
aa a^f faaat % art if onat aat gt
art firt ntt agr aa faaat at
am* | a? artt at artt ar^ft irirtpTp
ft T^t 1 1 at faaat mat if arat mfp
at rt*i gs aia t aaar rtam ftar mfgif,
affaaa aft gfama gtnt mfp ng aft
*r *w»ft sn Prat fft TO*t if rtr
% sort f^a faaat * at am a^t 1 tot
% prt if at ataf aa nrtt aaa gt ngt
1 1 arm* ifaaaa 6.8 apt aa tot-
aaa aft ^l«i it ng *nar farja aaa gt
.arm t 1 at ngt nr ataraaa aft grtmt
fa#, aa fret p *tnt at at maim artn
air, aaat at rtam i aaar fa% trr

!** * srarr aft ataar at rfrrt if nfrort
^tm mfp ?n4V aa froi ^rt arfaarrft
at art mir waf if mart at afe ir
art aat amr oft aafa % ama amrr
tot |t aa^ 1

at a ata mam (a^ra) : aamfir mjt-
mr tot m mrta arit gt if agaT atgm

t fa *t aa% frof ga om% it arm g

at fa fgaiaa aft *aaram a^r* % arait
Sara arm 1 1 mr ?*rt at aftmrtamat
t ^ar at agt grtr rt agt oftamgraat
art agf me am faam g*T 1 1 f* aiasfrt
waf % anra tar gtmi agia aa <»rtm
ag* am t a 7 * amfrt % crftm it at
am t %ft* art ^hhi at art fa a^a
amfrt if faam rtara gm t art *gm
if famrr rtam gm | at am a%m fa
agr aga aa ^rrt gf | mrifarf arta
a?t fa arcr mean: a op am rtm t Pmrt
ffrt p martt | irfaa apar ar sat
rtam ar arm t ^5 ap tftm *rt fart*
a* agr t • ^ *t aa fam ar
rtmff ir mt ir fa prt % mat at
ttpt rrrt% it am mr to g 1 agr ar rtmot
an grtT ap aiw*. |i rtaat agt ar

if atfa rtrtjaa pamar f *at gt t 1
am aa at rtmft a thh t ^rt^r n pm
gt ama Tp 1 1 a*f na fgm a aam xpr |
m a*t pi * 1 a* ma agf are <ja
faaat an mr pa at aarar mrr | itfaa
ag at ama gt w | 1 pat ama
ararr at sro arfgfti

ara pf ap ojat | fa prartaarat
atam mft, «ft ato «fto am p t* p t *
if mat mast arg it mam g 1 aa a
ma aoart if fartroe ^ at oft aa%
ma am amt at artT faai an ant
1947 *f arat agf at gait agT aaatar

285 J&iton Re. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Schemes far Backward Areas 286

wr i aw ftswftrww ft fc i ftfftw ft wrsr ww

ft fMtaW PWT Wftpf g fft q^ pft W^IW
ft gift fttr q?f ftt ^mw ftt Hi q^qnr
ft w w«Rftt fftpqq ft ffk <r q#
q >5 x$t g, qqffft apt qrww $ fft ^
qrnftq % tot ftftt frrc ftt* qqfww pry*
ft qrt ft qgw fe«q**ft nwft |, ftfftq pft
aw gqrt: p^wp t?w qftt wt qgf $t
qq fft ftvfllq qTH>'R ft W*»J *541 < % TTW
«refV f, ftfftw w^ra p tfr wt pqftf aprj
qroftr wo*R ft qftt q# | i qgft

1953 ft ft PC 1967 ffP Tfaq TOT if
wftt ft wta wfftq ww wwq M^i<a ftt
jw Pifa gt wftt ftt i w^tbt if ftrwi qtr
iftl'i ftt pft t i qwfftft ft ^i^di g fft
«i^i*h ftt ftt qw (mb«i fwr*r fttfVq fftqr
pq, fttr wifw *fK Pj^f-qw 3R-

qffq qfftn fttfliw fftwr ww i qfttfft
fftw HPT wT^tw, fwrfgftkfw spit? qq

WWffg <PT«« fttT 5T5ST?? £iqqw rrfWR

if n.if*w fftwr pit | ww ft pon qgr fftp-
fpft apt Hi'M^ftiq wfaqr fwpft ftfftq W^TW
V fttftt ftt fttftt fP5pfw<W pTWfft | |
WW P apron ftet PW ft Wjft | fft WW ftt
fiWi wffqT Ml IV if qft PPP PIT ^ I WITT

ft fttq 1 JP WT^ft f , ftfftq gr| qfqETTW
q?t ^ aft fft pq frot effemw % wtftt ftt
fft at 1 1 ^ fqqqq % n^w

ftf am* fqftq to fqqr anq i

^ wqfttw wrww ftiw (fttgr) : wrq-
fttw wwnfa aft, pay fftgft qwrft wift H

* wfapvr pat if | i fqgK tr ft pitp
fftwi pwrt ft ft ftfvn pi ft iff ®tir

ftfa PUTT TCPfT *PY 5TPT TR ft

ftf 1 1 ft ®ftf ft ppst ft
qRm j fft if^r Hfn, nrrorft ^ft f,
ftfftn PT ft Rlftfll ftpft qft n ftpn BfT
pp ft ftfnf ftf fjRT arwr 1 1

PTC HftJT JfPip ft ftff 9>K«HI I ftf iff

Pf tariff WT 5TTTI ft T?T |? PTR 0tCT
P’TJT ft 2TCT ft <M<WP qftwr gwr |l
nft ft ftfftf ft qftR ftf nf | ftftR pt ftf
fftnpp ^f% ft qpftnr ftf ^f, tp^

?IT ftf TWft ft pff fftqT PTfT ^ I w
IK| ftf ftmpf qp ft ftW ftf ^ I

wiii nPT^r ftfr ft<rr?r port ft fftft
ffap fftqpj ftti fn^rr w<ak ft qpp
ftfftn Pfft fHfp | fft pnr pp gw
ft fftft ftff wir ppt ft n^f finiT pit
pt ftfn ftf w ftff fttfbr $: ftf gw ft
Timr i nr pp gw ^ ft fftwTW
ft fwft q»R WPT g^f fftqx armr wt
ctt wtsr qnr^T wh: g«nw mohi wt fiwn

apT qpi WTft ^f qq piwt || PR ftWT

wrq ftt wter pqjr ft 68 Hfftpr pwpft
WR7R ftf I, ftfftw pq -3W «R ?Rt $
ftqw 28 jrfftPT MR pq qr^c an# $1
steT pqff ft aft qrnpRT wp |p | gw
aw stw ft | qwfwft fttf Ipptw

W P wr PT T?f <ITWT 1 1

fftw fftft ft ft PWT f q^Tftt ^rww fft
q^ t fap PTTW >RqWT ft f»W wt ftt^ wfttw
pw pp w^t watt nr fft ^wrft q$r fttqft
ftt pft fttftt fw|t ftt pft wqrqr ftt
pw ppftt qqww ftpr wrft
ftt wiw t. wp fttr qfw ft fPR?w |i
ftfftw ftw ftt gqftw q^f ^ ^ i w^f ftt qwwqqr

32 wiw t ww wnwwr ft pfqanftt 4$ wfiraw

t*fk 20 nffram ^fonw wtq ^ftfftqpar q^f
ftq> wt gqftw q^t fttWT qqr ^ i qftqiw qqq
qftt qq 1962 ft ^qift wrq ftrft ft
WWW' ft fftft qft ft fft W^tft qf?r P fqr
qnq ft fwft ft ^ ftf wrwrt q#

Wq fft + ■Hi WTW W^q WIP ft W$t W^ap
1 1 qftt WRW ftft P fttt fqqiTW q^t
?t PFT 1 1 q$t ft wtw qqm wwfq ft
fwft Pqpwift | ftfftq ww ftt f^w qifr qft q^t
wnft wf i wwt p qfftwr ^ fft q^ ww
pqfftw frorr jp | i.fwrft q^f qf wtw

287 Motion Ref

AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward A, <m 28*

(*ft raroihit ptipp 4»wJ

pgifrarr t *p it grw £t 3 i sm rat,

rag g®rt gtra fgPfW< ragra ragi pm *t

5 TP 3 ? Tt gra PT fo PTP Praffit ptpt

ww faraft 1 1 ragtit rara fra gt,
gp pt ra?g rara ?g?r rara pgTfot ^
%fap rarrapgTftftiSpppitpT
fra raft pig? if hbi(«h pp ran pit 1 am
ggt^ ^p rat 3 mw jj ^ | 'rgifot

5itfr ®t apWOTT 5ft# rat ???. 3fT Tgf |J
p w w rarrp ragr? ragr fra ra?t
rapt gtPTftpr «tt arreft £1 $ % ragr fa
ptp 3Rr pp ra? % ??raTP 1

SUNfil PgUp . PT? PP% fast if ??
3TTTP 3ft c^Tfj ragPT gt ?? Pit rafg? I

sft 3pnhr HHHTJI PIP t Pgt ?g sgT
£1 gP TglffP «fmt Tt OT Pg| Pg gr
sim ft ?? ra? sire sir pp 1 1 tp raT
tip ?g g far gg ?m pr?-pm, ras-ras
fin ?ra; mrat gT ra? t?x % \ «m ^ for
pra VtfX 3IF rat gfot rat mt PPT
ram g, am-rpr rar ra? for ram? y. 1
pp ra Pgr raTf Pt foram rar ram Pgr ?. 1
ram to qftar gfo pt ra* - an fir raft
raT pmt ¥t ptpt p?pt ^ 1 ^ra - ra?t «rmt ^
?rm qYra § fit pp^T 7? rar ?? tp mrnr

- C\

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Tp fait # frarorp ra??r pifpi g frapgTP
??ppt f ptor form rar rap gt?T grfgit
rat? ?g rar? fafogr? fptt PTffra gifra ratf
pt forar |p? fafa ?r <ft® p ?g 1

*ft ptp ?m fpgi (?rpt?) ■ pptpfp

PgtgP, 3ft SIWN, gPT^ PTPPfo PPTP «ft
TtffTPTT P TWT PP if ^ P|P

pgfpyp Pf ^t P?T prrar ra pt? PRPT

*rmtp ra eptp ^rtfot raftrar pf 1 1

fop PPTPT P? PIP PPP if PgP gt ?ft
f, PP ^Pt PPPT * fo Pg PIP P^t I fo
pmr? *p % Pit ft pt^p p gr pt p?-
pt? ^ w % fot fp frarr p gt 1 If pp-

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ptp vt mtra? p^ff fr pp pptpt %■ sfe
prra? 3rmppr *i p?tr % f®

ppf it f® ram Pt Pam ft 1 pfopr pmtp
^ pra? gp ptpt rat pt? tptp pt fort ppt

ft, ¥<1TP 3TgT pra t PPPPT g, TP STfPIP

rat pf ppt * fra tp pptpt rat *ft? firafo
ira fr sptp rat pmraram |i pWt

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p'tppt aft gp mm ra *g & pp if fg»««rm
% pp Ararat pt fora rat P?ra, aft fast
ra? fop pp t p?ra? rat p?ra p, rag
ps ftrerap? raft % pfe?ratp it gt, P?trat
% pfnrafo it gt ra ptrapfrarp ^ pforafo
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fr^f fi S, f?m ?r ^ft^rr^ft *r w^r

f^^rr ^TRl >

f?RR n M SOTPT ^ wr S
^ im ^ ^

q^r #r farter ^tfRT ^ f*r

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^ vqT^T T^Tfr ^rt ^ 1 Mr ^ tt^t | fa
£tt ^nf[-qT?t qT wrnR tt ^ ^•n+'i %

3fr ^TT'f ?t ^ 5TRi

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BH/VDRA 1, 1W4<S4JW? Schemes for Backward J*r*$s

491 Motion Re.

AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemts for Backward Areas 292

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2 $3 Motion Re. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAR4) Schemes for Backward Areas 294

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Schemes fer Backward Areas 296

295 Motion 1 M AUGUST 23, 1972

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♦SHRIK. MALLANNA (MADHUGIRI):
Mr. Chairman’ Sir, the motion before the
House relates to the development of back-
ward regions of U.P., M P. and Bihar.
But the amendment moved by Shri Naik
relates to the development of all the back-
ward regions in the country. Since the
amendment dwells on the broader aspects,
I fully support the motion together with
the amendment.

While supporting the motion, I would
like to draw the attention of the House to
the fact that both at the Centre and
States, the amount earmarked under various
heads is not being properly spent. This
has been particularly noticed in the Agri-
cultuial. Public Works and Industrial
Departments. On account of this the back-
ward regions continue to remain back-
ward and nothing tangible has been done
to remedy the disquieting feature.

My feeling is that we have not, first of
all systematically identified the backwaid
legions in the countiy after the States
Reorganisation and taken preliminary
steps to improve the lot of these areas*
Immediate action in this regard is of para-

*The original speech was delivered m Kannada.

297 Morton Re. BHADRA 1 , 1894 (&4R4) Schemes for Backward Areas 298

mount importance. For this purpose wc
have to take district or taluk as the basis
and an area is selected only after taking
into account the per capita income, the
unemployed figure, cultivable, non-cul-
tivable and dry areas and the educational
rules existing m that area.

It is not enough that by setting up major
industries, the backward areas would
be developed. Along with that, we have
to pay attention to set up Agro based in-
dustries and small scale industries. If
a concerted action is taken in the right
direction, I am sure that within a short
period there would be a visible improve-
ment. Hence what is vital is a dynamic
action and utilisation of allotted amount
for the development of backward areas.

Now that we are pui suing land reform
measures vigorously, the Government
should give all incentives to the tillers to
augment agricultural production and there-
by impiovc their lot. With these words,
I fully support the motion with the amend-
ment moved by our colleague Shri Naik.

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299 Motion Jte.

AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward' Areas 300

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301 Motion Re* BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Amis 302

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SHR 1 K. RAMAKRISHNA REDDY
(Nalgonda) . Sir, I come from Andhra
Pradesh. In Andhra Pradesh, there are
three regions. One is Andhra, another
is Rayalaseema and the third area is
Telangana and 1 belong to Telangana,
It has most backward Districts. Since
the past thicc years this area is in continue
011s famine and drought conditions. In
scveial places even now there is no dunking
waler even though special facilities arc
going to be given by lhe Government,
Bui due to continuous famine and drought
conditions in this area, special attention
should be paid to this region.

l he legional imbalance should be wiped
out. P01 ihat purpose, for backward
districts you must have a plan to give special
attention to the backward districts of the
area and the pi ejects which you take for
the backward areas should be controlled
by the Centre and not by the States and
unless and until you do this the imbalance
will not go away.

Theic are not adequate major industries
and medium industries in the State.
Special attention should be drawn towards
the provision of electric power, irrigation
facilities also should be afforded. Commu-
nication facilities including railway lines
should * be piovided there. There should
be a cut which should be effected in the
forward districts and that cut should be
given foi the benefit of the backward distri-
cts. Then only regional imbalance will
be wiped of

The Devarkonda taluk of Nalgonda
district has been included as drought-
prone area. I request that the whole district
excluding the areas served by Nagarjun

303 Motion J?e, P

AUGUST 23, 1 972 Schemes for Backward Areas 304

sag&r should be included in this scheme.
These should be declared as drought prone
areas.

Small-scale industries and medium-scale
industiies should be started then. These
backward areas should be encouraged
to set up these small-scale and medium-
scale industries. Unless and until you
do it, the aiea will not develop The Plan-
ning Minister, while considering and lormu-
lating the Fifth Plan, should considci
as to what h are the backward areas
and districts and what ate the forward
areas and districts and he she /d keep
this in view at the time of formulation
of the plan. Nalgonda district even in
Telengana is a most backward District
Special attention should be given to it.
The projects for the development of the
backward areas which are going lobe
started should be under the contiolofthe
Central Government.

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SHRI VASANT SA1HF (Akola) :
I come from the Vidarbha region. It is
a most controversial region, thete has been
agitation in that region already I hope
you will give me an opportunity to speak.

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305 Motion ret

BHADRA 1 , 1 894 (SAKA) Scheme for Backward Areas 906

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SHRI VASANT SATHE : It js a pay
that after 25 years of planning
we should ask the question . How is it that the
rich regions have grown richer while the
poor icgions have become poorei 7 That
is a sad commentary on our planning.

I would submit that what we are having
today is, as one of our well-known econo-
mists of our country has described, what is
known as the puppy economy, meaning
thereby that if five puppies are there
and you keep a pot of grub before them and
leave it to them, then the healthier puppy
will grow healthier and the weaker puppies
will remain weaker. That is exactly what is
happening in our country. Therefore,
we shall have to take a new perspective of
our whole planning.

I would like to make some concrete
suggestions. Let the Planning Commission
itself create an in-built machinery* It has
failed to do so up till now. This in-built
machinery should be in charge of the
implementation of the plans. We make
plans today. But who is implementing them?
We leave it to the bureaucracy to imple-
ment them, I am not one of those who like
to condemn the bureaucracy

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, the hon.
Member should conclude.

SHRT VASANT SATHE : I have hardly
opened my mouth and you are asking me
to sit down,

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, there is no
more time . 1 am calling the hon. Minister
now

SHRI VASANT SATHE : I am making
only points. I am not making a speech.
I shall only make some constructive sug-
gestions.

MR. CHAIRMAN : That may be so.
But I have to call the hon. Minister now.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : You have
given me one minute. Kindly give me two
or three minutes more

MR CHAIRMAN : No, I am sorry.
That is why I am reluctant to call hon.
Members

SHRI VASANT SATHE : Another
suggestion which I want to make is that let
the MP’s constituency be made the lowest
level implementation unit. Let the MP be
made the head of the unit and let the entire
bureaucratic set-up be with him, so that at
the district level, the lowest level planning
is undertaken and the MP and his body may
be held responsible for plan implementation.
Unless we go about in this manner, we can-
not achieve results.

Finally, I would like to submit that the
plans like those for the twin city of Bombay
are most suicidal both for Bombay and for
the whole country. Two thousand crores

AUGUST 23, 1972 Scheme far Backward Areas 308

307 Motion Re * :

of our national wealth being invested in
one city is harmful to the entire nation.

Therefore, this must be considered
as a national problem. 20 under-developed
districts can be developed with that much
amount Why should leave it to a State?

Lastly, may 1 invite your attention to
article 371?

MR. CHAIRMAN : No, no. The hon.
Minister.

SOME HON. MEMBERS Rose—

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Deputy-
Speaker had decided that the Minister would
be called at 4 45 He will take half an
hour and then the Mover will have some
time. Then there arc amendments to be
d is posed of. There is a half-hour discussion
at 5.30 . 1 am not in favour of extending
time daily.

SHRI VASANT SATHK . Why not
have a cell of members who would like
to discuss with the Minister in detail?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAI BAHADUR) :
There ore only two or three members more
who would like to speak.

MR. CHAIRMAN No, about half
a dozen.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR . Shn Karlik
Oraon, Shn Jadeja, Shri Daga and Shri
K.C. Pande are eager to speak for a few
minutes. I would suggest that you call
the Minister at 5 P.M and you may, if you
so please, take up the half hour discussion
at 5.45 P.M.

* MR. CHAIRMAN : No. I will adjourn
the House positively at 6 P.M. I am calling
the Minister according to the decision of
the Deputy-Speaker. I|am sticking to that.

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING
(SHRI D .P. DHAR) : Mr. Chairman,

while it a is matter of pleasure tome to have
listened with great attention and considerable
interest to the views of hon. members on
a question of such importance, it is also,
at the same time, a matter of pain to me
that it has not been possible for the whole
House, for all the hon. Members of this House
to participate in this discussion. All that
1 have at my disposal is half an hour. I am
quite prepared, if hon members wish that
I should remain silent and not reply to
this discussion, to hand over this half an
hour to the Mr. Chairman, for being
passed on to hon. members for whatever it
is worth.

SOMF. HON. MEMBERS : No, no.

SHRI D P. DHAR . In that case, I would
once again begin by acknowledging with
gratitude the education that 1 have received
on various elements of planning, a job
which has been entrusted to me, from various
members.

It has been brought home to me how
vital is the question of promoting balanced,
proper and wholesale development of this
country. It is true that there have been
imbalances in the matter of giowth and deve-
lopment in this country, both intra-slate
and inter-state. It is also true that because
of historical reasons or facilities which
geography may have provided to certain
areas, development has taken place in those
areas at a faster speed and at an earlier
date. Nevertheless, if one locks at
this vast land of ours, one has to agree with
a certain amount of remorse that we are
backward , that we arc yet in the
process of development and that we
have to cover a long way before we can
say that we have reached anywhere near
the fruition of the dream that had in-
formed our movement for the struggle
for freedo m.

309 Motion Re.

BHADRA 1 , 1 894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Areas MO

[Shtl D.P.Dhar]

Nevertheless, it would not be wholly cor-
rect to say that the distance which separated
at the time of freedom, the attainment of
freedom, the ugly realities which we in-
herited, and the stage of development which
we wished to reach remains unaltered,
that the distance has grown as some hon.
Members chose to say. I am particularly
referring to one or two hon. Members
from the Opposition. This distance has
not vanished; it has not been obliterated.
But undoubtedly, if you look at the process
of development, if you look at the process
of growth, certainly, from any standaids,
from any norm, this distance has been
sharply abridged. And it should be our
endeavour not to grudge a loal or
two more to our neighbour but to
act concettedly, to act unifiedly to further
abridge this distance till it vanishes.

We have, not only in the Planning
Commission but the Governmcnte of India
as a whole, been painfully aware of the
fact that in this march of development,
some areas have been left farther behind;
not only areas but some sections of our
society have also stayed as back numbers
in the race for development. This awareness
on the part of the Governmcn! has been
translated into appropriate measures in the
fourth Plan, in the past Plans slightly less
elaborately, but in the fifth Plan, eeitainly,
this is going to be one of the basic, guiding
stars of development as far as we are con-
cerned*

fa* t fa TO W

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SHR1 D. P. DHAR : I am trying to
say what thing is new. I do not have the
prescience to plead that the hon. Member
already knows what I have said or what
I am I going to say. But the fact remains
that these studies have been made and these
studies have jelevancc to the Fourth Plan
period. The areas which are backward,
the sections which are backward, the areas

which are subject to natural calamities
1 ike floods and droughts have been demar-
cated and special plans have been enunciated
and elaborated foi these areas. I would
only illustrate this point particulaily for
my hon. friend who is keen to know
some new ideas. Some of these ideas
which wc have taken into account for doing
a certain amount of work to cure this ele-
ment of backwardness are as follows. We
have evolved a formula in the matter of
allocation of central assistance by which
after the allotment of central assistace to
Assam, Nagaland and J. & Kashmir
10 per cent of the remaining amount is made
available to the backward States including
some of the States where these backward
areas as I have said, have been identified.
The amount is sizeable ; it comes to 10%
of Jls. 3,100 crores. It does not have that
impact on the stituation because, while the
amount is impressive — as I said it is 10% of
Rs. 3,100 crores— the size of our country
is much more impressive than this amount
and the size of the problem is more com-
plicated compared to the size of our re-
sources.

Nevertheless it is to be admitted, if I
may say so with due respect, that the point
that most of the hon. Members have made,
that special attention in terms of special
allocations should be paid to the backward
regions or backward areas, has been well
taken and special allocations have been
made. We have taken some of the States
for special consideration and these are;
Assam, Nagaland, Jammu & Kashmir.
The' total allocation of central assistance
for these States is aout Rs. 400 crores. I
must add hestily that Jammu and Kashmir
was included in the list before I happened
to be here.

SHRI INDRAJJT GUPTA (Alipore) :
Aie all these amounts calculated at current
prices?

311 Motion Re.

AUGUST23, 1972

Schemes for Backward Areas 312

SHRI D. P. DHAR iThe price question
is qpite separate. If we go on calculating
the amounts according to the price indices*
every day. Then Mr. Gupta who is himself
an eminent economist will agree with me
that no budget in any society under any
system is possible to be made; we shall
have to make an hourly budget.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Is it that bad?

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Your suggestion is
as good as that. 1 admit that the prices
will certainly have an effect on the size of
the benefits which we had anticipated
originally when these allocations wcie made
that would accrue from these allocations.

I do admit that puces do play that part but
at the same time it is not possible to go on
changing allocations from day to day

Secondly almost the entire expenditure
for facing certain problems like floods
and drought are being paid by the Cenlte
and the total provision for this put pose
alone is about Rs. 307 crores. The entire
expenditure on the development programme
of hill and border areas is met by the
Government of India. Ninety per cent
of such expenditure in Meghalaya,
Assam, Nagaland. Ladakh— Kushak Sahib's
area— in Jammu and Kashmir, Lahaul
and Spiti and Kmnam districts is met by
way of grants.

Only ten per cent is loan to the States.
The pattern of Central assistance to the
hilly and border districts of UP, Darjeeling
of West Bengal and Nilgiris of Tanulnadu
is 50 per cent grant and 50 per cent Joan.

%1 00 hrs.

AN HON. MEMBER : No change ?

SHRI D. P. DHAR : As soon as we come
to the Fifth Plan there will be many
more changes.

SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohar-
daga) : What about the grant for the
hilly areas of Chottanagpur and Santhal
Parganas areas?

SHRI D. P. DHAR: As far as Ghottanag-
pur is concerned, the hon. Member would
perhaps concede the existence of a special
board which has been created for the special
purpose of the development of Chottanag-
pur under the chairmanship of the State
Chief Minister. The hon. Member who
has asked this question is the Deputy Chair-
man of that Board, and that gives us great
hope about the future of Chottanagpur.

Similarly, my good and old friend,
Shn Jyotirmoy Bosu, referred to the assis-
tance which has to be, or should be, made
available by various financial institutions.
The following financial institutions, namely,
the Industnal Development Bank of India,
th? Industrial Finance Corporation of
India, the Industrial Credit and Investment
Corporation of India and the nationalised
banks have been specially instructed to make
available at concessional rates finances for
the development of backward areas and
effort-, at industrialisation of those areas.

Ovei and above this, ten per cent subsidy
has been piovidcd in two districts each
from nine Slates for any investment up to
Rs. 50 lakhs and for investment which goes
beyond Rs. 50 lakhs the element of subsidy
in a lump sum up to a maximum of Rs. 5
lakhs is available. From this you will see
that a considerable amount of effort has
been made by the Cential Government,
in conjunction with the States, within the
constraints of our icsources, to make an
impact on the development of those back-
ward aieas.

Over and above this, the question of rural
electrification has been taken up as a special
subject and the Rural Electrification Cor-
poration has been set up for financing loans
for electrification projects in backward
areas. Loans are given at concessional rates
in backward areas. Out of 132 schemes,
52 schemes have already been approved for
these areas.

313 Motion Re,

BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Scheme for Backward Areas 314

[D. P. Dharl

Recently, we have initiated some
special programmes for rural development.
These programmes are under ' the
following categories: Special Farmers’ Deve-
lopment Agencies 46, Marginal Farmers'
and Agricultural Labourers’ Projects 41,
Dry Farming 24 and Drought-Prone Area
Programmes 54.

These are some of the endeavours which
the Ce itral Governement is making through
the agency of the State Governments to
make some impact on this undoubtedly
difficult and important question of back-
wardness of areas and populations.

On the most important matters which
I would like to bring to the kind attention
of the hon. Members is that mere financial
allocations cannot lead us anywhere. That
in itself may be the evidence of good in-
tentions. But those good intentions have
got to be translated into field. They
cannot be translated into field and, pci-
haps one of the failures of planning in our
country -1 have no hesitation in admitt-
ing this — has been that we have not succeed-
ed as a community as a whole, not merely
a> Confess party or the ruling parly,
as the total leadership that has been thrown
up by this country m involving the peoples
at the grass-roots in the process of planning,
in the process of development As far as
1 am concerned, as a member of the politi-
cal party. Hake the fullest share of the blame.
But I do not think that it is only the pre-
rogative of a political party to have to do its
job. It is the need of every political parly,
of every social worker, of every person,
who is concerned with the welfare of the
p\oplc to involve himself mentally, psychol-
ogically and physically and also the people
amongst whom he works in the process
of development, unless we are able to
create a country wide awareness, a country
widq consciousness, for planning, for
development, for implementation of the
plans, for watching the correct implementa-

tion of the plans, any planning with the best
intentions in the hands of anyone, in the
hands of any party, will suffer from a basic
•lacuna and from a basic inadequacy.

That is why, we have ventured to suggest
for the consideration of the State Govern-
ments, for the consideration of the gentle-
men who are accredited leaders of the peo-
ple of this country, whatever may be the shade
of their politics or opinion, that for the
Fifth plan, let us take the bitter lessions of
of the past and let us begin the process of
planning from below. Quite a large num-
ber of Members have suggested district
level. I would go to the unit of a village;

I would go to the unit of a block ; i would
go to the smallest manageable rura unit
as the basic unit, as the bas«c foundation,
on which you can build the total edifice of a
a Plan. Unless that it done, 1 think, we shall
after making the Mid-term Appraisal of the
Fifth Plan, be again making the same com
plaints and voicing the same disappoint-
ments which we have done during the two
days while discussing this motion.

I would, therefore, through you, Sir, be-
seech the hon. Members that for the Fifth
Plan, let us take steps from now on to or-
ganise ourselves in a manner cutting across
barriers of political dissension, political
differences of opinion or any other barriers
which separate “A” from “B'\ Then
alone we can think of treating the Plan as
a national objective Because, after ail;
what is planning which is not a national
objective. If it means the development of
the people of India, then it is the objective
of every citizen of India f o be involved in
the achievement of this objective. As
far as we in the planning Commission
are concerned, please trust us to make our
assistance available to all of you, gentle-
men, in evolving this process, and we shall
also give such assistance . . .

315 Motion Re,

AUGUST 23, 1972 Scheme for Backward Areas 316

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this House who do not understand Hindi.

So, we in the planning Commission, as
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Commission. All that we need to do is
to place our services at your disposal more
frequently. . . .

AN. HON. MEMBER : Change the
basic policies.

SHRI D. P DHAR: .and change the
basic policies wherever those changes are
suggested in a concrete form. We are
prepared to change them It is not enough
to be negative It is not enough to say
that our policy is wrong. It is much more
important to say how this policy can be
improved upon And I, on behalf of the
Government of India, on behalf of the plann-
ing Commission, can assure this hon. House
through you that we shall accept every
concrete suggestion from whichever quar-
ter it comes

1 am souy, Sir, that I have to submit
to the harsh limitations of time which could
not be better planned. Therefore, 1 have
to conclude hastily, and as you have been
indulgent to other members for a minute
or two, 1 hope you will be indulgent to
me also if 1 take some extra time.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Take your own
time.

SHRI D P. DHAR: I apologise for the
shortness of time, for not having been able
to make specific reference to some of the
specific questions that have been mentioned
by hon. members in this House.

] can assure every hon. Member who has
participated in this discussion that we
have taken copious notes of his suggestions
and we shall, as far as it is within our power,
do our utmost to act upon their kind
advice . .

SHRT VASANT SATHE : And build
a machinery for the implementation.

317 Motion Re. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Scheme* far Backward Area 318

SHRI D. P. DHAR,. .after examining
these suggestions which they have been
very kind and very gracious to make to
us, to the Planning Commission, any, from
which, I assure you, we shall been fit very
greatly and we shall also tiy to accept them ■

As for as the in-built machinery is con-
cerned, I must confess that I have not been
able to understand its full import. Of course,

1 have understood the import of other
suggestions, namely, that the Member of
Parliament should be the kingpin in his
own constituency. I suppose the Planning
Comm'ssion has not the authority to sanc-
tion how an hon. Member should function
within his constitutency. But I do not
know what,will be the position of the MLA.
But, nevertheless, the machinery for both
pm poses of development, for accelerating
development and for achieving the purpose
of development, has got to be inbuilt m
our society and that has to be done at the
grass iooIs,

Lastly, I must pay my debt to my very
old friend, Mr. Bisht, and other friends
from UP who come from the hill areas and
infoim them that a good deal of work is
being done by the Planning Commission in
the matter of collection of data and statis-
tics in the hill areas of UP and a special
cell under the chairmanship of a Member
of the* Commission has already been set
up for this purpose and we hope to invite
at their convenience all the members from
the hill areas of UP, one of these days,
to a meeting so that we can discuss some
of the ideas that we have on the subject and
benefit from th?ir advice.

I have one last submission to make.
We are now engaged very seriously in the
preparation of the plan frame for the Fifth
Plan period and this plan and also this
peripd, is going to be very crucial. In
this task I would once again, with all
humility, appeal to all sections and all sides

of this hon. house, to help the Planning
Commission to produce something worth-
while so that none of you will have any
complaint in future.

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SHR I MOHAN CHARIA : My appeal
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the vote of the House. These amendments
are : No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, No. 5,
No. 6, No. 7, No. 8, No. 10 and No. II.

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House.

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put and negatived

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : (Kanpur) :
Generally, non-official Resolutions and
Bills are withdrawn, but here, it is a Motion
under a particular provision of the Rules
of Procedure. It is intended for discussion,
it is not to be withdrawn. How can he
withdraw it?

MR. CHAIRMAN : Are you object-
ing to it?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE - I am not
objecting, but I am telling about the pro-
cedure

MR. CHAIRMAN : you are wrong to
say that is not the procedure.

SHRI MOHAN DHARIA : Shri S. M.
Banerjee is very much right. If any

321 Motion Re. BHADRA 1, 1 894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Areas 322

(Shri Mohan Dharia)

amendments had been adopted, then there
would have been voting on the motion.
But since there are no amendments re-
maining now, naturally, this motion alone
remains, and it need not be withdrawn;
it has been discussed and it can be treated
as talked over.

MR. CHAIRMAN : I shall have to
take the pleasure of the House. If he with-
draws it, it will not be put to vote.

The hon. Member has sought the per-
mission of the House to withdraw it, and
the House has given permission to him and
he has withdrawn it. That is according to
the rules.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : This is some-
thing strange. The motion cannot be
withdrawn.

MR. CHAIRMAN : It can be with-
drawn. That is the rule.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEJE : It means that
whatever has been discussed has been lost?

MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members have
given him permission to withdraw it and
he has withdrawn it.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, there is a
half-an-hour discussion to be raised by Shri
K Lak kappa. The hon. Member is ab-
sent.

So, the House will now stand adjourned
and meet again at 11 a. m. the day after
tomorrow.

17 27 hrs.

The Lok Sab/ia then adjourned till Ele-
ven oj the Clock on Friday , August 25, 1972/
Bhadra 3, 1894, ( Saka ).

MGIPRRND — S I (Night) — 41LSS/72 — 27-11-72 — 1010

CONTENTS'

No. 18— Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3, 1894 ( Saka )

Columns

Oral Answers to Questions—

*Starred Questions Nos, 341, 344 to 347, 330, 333, 333 to 337, 339

to 360 and 351

...

1-32

Written Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 342, 343, 348, 349, 332, 354 and 338

• M

32-37

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3417, 3419 to 3441, 3443 to
3492 to 3536 and 3558 to 3579

3490,

tee

37-171

Re. Calling Attention Notice and Motion for Adjournment

• i «

171-73

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance—

Demands of employees of Reserve Bank of India, Calcutta
Government’s reaction thereto

and

174-88

Re. Railway accident near Kadayanallur on Southern Railway

•••

188 89

Re. Business of the House ...

• • •

189-91

Re Drought in Bihar

• •V

191-92

Papers laid on the Table ...

192-93

Messages from Rajya Sabha

• M

193-94

Assent to Bills

...

194-95

Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House

Seventh Report

19 $

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill—

Motion to consider ...

• M

193-236

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh

195—98

Shri Jharkhande Rai

•••

198-204

Shri M. C. Daga

• ••

204-11

Shri E. R. Krishnan

211-15

Shri Biswanarayan Shastri

215-17

Shri Jagannathrao Joshi

lit

217-21

Shri Banamali Patnaik

• ■ •

221-24

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan

224-31

* The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually
asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

Columns

Clauses 2 to 33 and 1

Motion to pass, as amended

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill—

236

Motion to consider

...

236-42

Shri Shahnawaz Khan

236-40

Shri Krishna Chandra Haider

240-42

Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions

Seventeenth Report ...

Resolution re. Urgent Problems of Economic Stagnation of West Bengal—

242

Withdrawn

243-85

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury

243-45

Shri H. N. Mukerjee

245-50

Dr. Karan Singh

250-52

Shri Samar Guha

252-56

Dr. K L. Rao

256-61

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya

261-64

Shri S. R. Damani

264—66

Shri D. P. Dhar

266-77

Shri Indrajit Gupta

277-85

Resolution re. Problem of Unemployment—

Shrimati Maya Ray

285-91

Half-an-Hour Discussion

Upgradation of Cities and Towns

...

291-302

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya

...

291-96

Shri K. R. Ganesh

...

300-2

CONTENTS

No. 18— Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3. 1894 ( Saka )

Oral Answers to Questions—

♦Starred Questions Nos. 341, 344 to 347, 330, 353, 35S to 357, 359

Columns

to 360 and 351

1-32

Written Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 342, 343, 348, 349, 352, 354 and 358

...

32—37

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3417, 3419 to 3441, 3443 to 3490,

3492 to 3556 and 3558 to 3579

■

37-171

Re. Calling Attention Notice and Motion for Adjournment

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance-

Demands of employees of Reserve Bank of India, Calcutta and

171-73

Government’s reaction thereto

174-88

Re. Railway accident near Kadayanallur on Southern Railway

• ••

188 89

Re. Business of the House ...

• • •

189-91

Re Drought in Bihar

...

191-92

Papers laid on the Table ...

• ••

192-93

Messages from Rajya Sabha

• ••

193-94

Assent to Bills

• • •

194-95

Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House

Seventh Report

195

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill—

Motion to consider ...

...

195-236

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh

...

195-98

Shri Jherkbande Rai

198-204

Shri M. C. Daga

...

204-11

Shri E. R. Krishoan

211-15

Shri Biswanarayan Shastri

215-17

Shri Jagannathrao Joshi

• •t

217-21

Shri Banamali Patnaik

221-24

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan

224-31

* The sign + marked above tbe name of a Member indicates that the question was actually
asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

Columns

Clauses 2 to 33 and 1

Motion to pass, as amended ... ... ... 236

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill-

Motion to consider ... ... 236—42

Shri Shahnawaz Khan ... ... ... 236-40

Shri Krishna Chandra Haider ... ... 240—42

Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions

Seventeenth Report ... ... ... ... 242

Resolution re. Urgent Problems of Economic Stagnation of West Bengal—

Withdrawn ... ... ... 243-85

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury ... ... 243—45

« Shri H. N. Mukerjee ... ... . - 245—50

Dr. Karan Singh ... ... ... 250—52

Shri Samar Guha ... ... ... 252—56

Dr. K. L. Rao ... ... 256-61

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya ... ... 261—64

Shri S. R. Damani ... ... ... 264—66

Shri D. P. Dhar ... ... ... 266-77

Shri Indrajit Gupta ... ... ... 277—85

Resolution re. Problem of Unemployment—

Shrimati Maya Ray ... ... ... 285—91

Half-an-Hour Discussion

Upgradation of Cities and Towns ... ... ... 291—302

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ... ... ... 291—96

Shri K. R. Ganesh ... ... ... 300-2

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3,
1894 ( Saka )

The Lok Sahha met at Eleven of the Clock
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Relief in Debt Repayment

*341. SHRI P GANGADEB :

SHRI SHR1K1SHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Wo* Id Bank is trying to
persuade members of the Aid India Consor-
tium to double the £ 100 million debt relief
given to India every year ; and

(b) whether India’s repayment problems
have been discussed with Woild Bank consul-
tant Dr. H C. Coombs and and if so, the
outcome o f the discussions ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) * (a) and (b).
India’s debt repayment problems have been
discussed with Dr. H. C. Coombs, who had
been engaged as consultant by the World
Bank to make recommendations for debt relief
to be provided by the members of the India
Consortium for the last two years of the
Fourth Plan. On the basis of his recom-
mendations the quantum c f debt relief to be
provided by the Consortium for the current
year is being discussed by the World Bank
with the other members of the Consortium.

SHRI P. GANGADEB : Have Govern-
ment worked out any programme of repayments
a nd the possible availability of resources
including aid flows over the next three years ?
if so, what are the broad details ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
The total debt service repayments to consor-
tium countries is estimated to be about $ 1130
million in the coming two years. The main
problem is about obtaining debt relief in the
repayment of this amount. As . to what
actually happens, we will have to see. We
will have to consider from what resources the
commitments have to be met This is a matter
to be processed further.

SHRI P. GANGADEB : In view of the
fact that some members of the consortium have
been reluctant to effect any increase in their
aid commitments, have Government made any
approaches to these consortium members re-
garding rc-schcduling of loans ? If so, what
is the reaction of the countries concerned ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
Really speaking, the World Bank itself is
taking interest in this ma’ter and talking to
different member countries. Dr. Coombs
liiinscll went round and discussed this problem
with the consortium mcmbcis. I hey even
visited us and had some discussions with us
also But nutu.aSly this is a matter that will
have to be watched. We cannot just be in-
different to it ; at the same time, we cannot
also run aflei the countries for it.

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SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN : I
have answered many questions in the form of
answers to Starred Questions and Unstarred
Questions. If he refers to some of those
documents, he can get the information. I
have not got the information now with me.
As far as the present question is concerned,
it is about debt relief — what debt we are sup-
posed to pay including interest and capital in
the coming two years. I gave the figures
about that. It comes to nearly 1,130 million
dollars.

Proposal to Arrange Air India International

flight from Calcutta to London and Paris

4 *

*344. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS
MUNSI :

SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
JHUNWALA :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have under con-
sideration a new proposal to arrange Air-
India International flight from Calcutta to
London and Paris ; and

(b) if so, when it will be finalised 7

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b) Effective November 3, 1972,

Air India will introduce a new flight which
will originate in Calcutta* and terminate at
London. The routing of the flight will be : —

West bound : Clacutta- Bombay— Cairo—
Geneva — Paris —London .

East bound : London— Geneva — Rome —
Cairo -- Delhi — Calcutta.

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI :

I am very much pleased to get this answer
from the hon. Minister. It was announced
many times before by the Ministry that the
Civil Aviation Department will take the best
help possible from the International air ter-

minal building for the Calcutta airport also.
It is unfortunate that in the last two years
most of the international air traffic has totally
collapsed in respect of the operations from
the Calcutta airport for many reasons. I
would like to know from the Minister whether
he will take best efforts to utilise the Calcutta
airport for the effective landing of Jumbos so
that more international air traffic can operate
through Air India and other airlines ?

DR. KARAN SINGH : The international
air services are operated under bilateral agree-
ments. It is true that a number of foreign
airlines have pplled out of the Calcutta airport
much to our distress. As far as the Ministry
is concerned, we are trying our best to utilise
the international air terminal building. One
of the suggestions was that it might be utilised
for domestic jet traffic also. I must say that
that was a suggestion which commended itself to
me, because there was a lot of spare capacity,
but that would involve quite a heavy additional
expenditure on the part of the Indian Air-
lines.

As far as jumbo is concerned, the jumbos
are at present operating on the west-bound
route. When they start operating to Tokyo,
certainly Calcutta will also at that stage be
covered by the jumbos.

SHR1MATI MAYA RAY : Would the
hon. Minister kindly give us an assurance that
when these flights start operating from Lon-
don to Calcutta, the passengers are not asked
to disembark at Bombay, which I personally
have experienced on a number of occasions
in the past ? Would he kindly give that
assurance ?

DR. KARAN SINGH : The whole point
of having this service originating and termi-
nating in Calcutta means thae the passengers
will certainly not be asked to disembark at
Bombay.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, may I
know from the hon. Minister whether he is
aware that the new international airport which
has been constructed at Dum Dum looks like
a haunted house in the absence of any passen-
gers there ? In view of the fact that a large
amount has been spent there to construct this
airport, may I know whether the number of
international flights is increased to see that

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this money is properly utilised and the terminal
also utilised.

DR. KARAN SINGH : As I said, it is
not possible for us unilaterally to increase the
international flights on other airlines because
they function according to their own commer-
cial judgement. But as far as Air India is
concerned, this point was raised that there was
no flight originating at Calcutta, and for this
very purpose, we have now introduced this
new flight which will also be marginal, and I
hope that traffic will pick up from that.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : While
appreciating the hon. Minister’s statement that
they will operate the service from 3rd
November, may I know from him how many
flights there will be both to the west-bound
and to the east-bound of Calcutta.

DR. KARAN SINGH : At present, a
total of 110 international scheduled flights
operate every week to and from Calcutta.
That includes a large number of foreign flights
as well as international flights operated by
Air India and Indian Airlines.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
The Question relates to the Minister of Civil
Aviation and also to the Dum Dum Airport.
May I know whether it is a fact that for
sometime past cancellation of flights of 1AC
has become a icgular featuie which is causing
serious inconvenience to the passengers, spe-
cially at night...

MR. SPEAKER Wait for another
Questions.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
This is regarding Dum Dum Airport. It has
come in the press. The Minister can easily
reply to that. I am not asking any irrelevant
question. This has become a regular feature
and, at night, the passengers are put to a lot
of difficulties-..

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t argue.
If you are there to judge the relevancy of the
question, I have no business to sit here. The
House need not have the Speaker if the Mem-
bers are going to judge the relevancy of the
question themselves. I am so sorry. I am
not allowing it.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : I
am making a humble submission. Kindly

allow me to get a clarification. Everybody is
afraid to go to the Dum Dum airport...

MR SPEAKER : There is another Ques-
tion. Let him wait. He has no patience to
listen to me.

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : I
would request the hon. Minister to tell us
when the flight from Calcutta to Tokyo will
start.

DR. KARAN SINGH : We already have
flights from Calcutta to Tokyo by 707. They
go every week. About Jumbo jets, it has not
been decided. Probably, it will be sometime
in 1974.

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : Has any
inquiry been undertaken by the Ministry of
Civil Aviation to find out what lies behind the
disinclination of International airlines to use
Calcutta airport ? The Minister has referred
to the commercial judgment. Is there any
reason to believe that there is collusion of
travel agencies and also of international air-
lines to organise these things to avoid Calcutta
or to overfly Calcutta ?

DR. KARAN SINGH : I do not think
there is any such collusion because it is in the
interest of travel agents that more and more
people should fly and they get their commis-
sion. Of course, the* reasons are many. Their
commercial judgement, I feel, is based on the
fact that for 3-4 years, the political conditions
in West Bengal were very disturbed, I think,
that has had an effect upon the thinking of
foreign airlines. But I would not like to
speak for them. I am just, as the hon. member
asked the question, venturing a guess as one of
the factors which may have been responsible.

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THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b).
No formal communication as mentioned in the
Question has been received from the Govern-
ment of Bihar. However, the Sixth Finance
Commission would no doubt take into account
the financial position of the States while re-
commending their share in Central taxes and
duties and granfe-in-aid under Aiticle 275, for
the Fifth Plan period.

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Integrated Time Table for Kail-cum-Road
cum-Air-cuni-Sea Travel for Tourists

*346. SHRI B. V. NA1K : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether any attempt has been made
to introduce integrated Time Tables for rail-
cum-road-eum-uir-cum-sca travel for tourists
in this country ; and

(b) if so, the outcome thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION (DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI) :
(d) No, Sir. However, information regarding
rail, road and air services is incorporated in
the inserts produced by the Department of
Tourism, The Department also produces a
concise tourist Railway Time-Table for the
benefit of tourists.

(b) Docs not arise.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Before an integra-
ted time-table for rail-road-air-sea travel is
produced, I want to know whether we have a
sort of time-table in respect of road services
in the country, the services by bus which carry
the maximum number of tbe common people
of this country, even greater than the total
number of people who travel by rail.

DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : Every road
system has got a sort of time-table. On be-
half of the Department of Tourism, when we
bring out folders and small pamphlets, we try
to put therein the road time-table alio ip
those regions.

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SHRI B. V. NAIK : I am afraid the
hon. Minister has not had the opportunity of
travelling by road in recent years. The major
portion of our road transpoit is in private
operators’ hands. Wherever we have got
State transport or Government transport
system, we have at least some semblance of
road time-table. But, by and large, we do not
have a time-table for road transport. Is that,
therefore, a case for nationalisation of entire
road transport in the country ?

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing this
question. We are not concerned here with
nationalisation of all these. You better ask
a relevant question.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : It is a question of
major impoit for our people. If you see the
rail and air services, you will find that we have
got first class time tables. But when it comes
to road transport, wc do not have a time-table.
Is that a ease enough for doing something
radical in this behalf ? It is veiy relevant.
Sir. It is a question of the masses.

MR. SPEAKER : You may address this
question to Shn Raj Bahadur. It is a very
good idea that you have given. But it does
not come vnder Civil Aviation.

Sources of Crude Supplies and Existing Capa-
cities of Public and Private Refineries

*347. SHRI S. R. DAMAN! : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) the existing refinery capacity both
under public and private sector and the extent
of utilization ;

(b) the sources of crude supplies on
which these Refineries are depending and the
amount of foreign exchange spent thereon
during the last three years, year-wise ; and

(c) the salient features of proposals for
expansion during the Fourth and Fifth Plan
periods and how the supplies of crude will be
met ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE, AND PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a)
The existing capacity in the public sector is
13,3 million tonnes. It k utilised to the extent

of 11.6 million tonnes. The balance 1 million
tonnes capacity at Barauni refinery is being
progressively commissioned on imported crude
oil from Iraq commencing from the end of
this year. The balance 0.7 million tonnes
capacity at Koyali Refinery will be commission-
ed as increased production from North Gujarat
crude oil fields materialises by the end of next
year. The licenced capacity of the four pri-
vate sector refineries was only 5.075 million
tonnes. During the current year they have
been allowed to operate to the extent of 7.55
million tonnes.

(b) The four inland refineries including
the private sector refinery at Digboi operate
wholly on indigenous crude. The five coastal
refineries are importing crude oil from Iran
and Saudi Arabia. The foreign exchange spent
on these imports in the last three years were —

in 1969 Rs. 94 Crores

in 1970 Rs. 102 ,,

and in 1971 Rs. 140 „

Statement

The salient features of schemes for expan-
sion of refining capacity during the Fourth
and Fifth Plan periods which have crystalli-
zed so far are as follows : —

(i) Cochin Refinery : In March, 1971,
the refinery was granted an indus-
trial licence to expand its capacity
by about 1 million tonnes annually.

1 The estimated cost of the project is
Rs. 5.11 crores. The additional capa-
city is expected to be commissioned
in 1973. Supply of crude will be
met by import.

(ii) Barauni Refinery : Although the
refinery’s capacity is 3.2 million
tonnes, it is operating at 2.2 million
tonnes per annum due to the limited
capacity of the pipeline from the
Assam fields. It is proposed to uti-
lise the balance capacity of the refi-
nery by processing imported crude.
The available crudes from the Middle

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Oral Answers 12

East mostly being high sulphur crudes
certain modifications/additions are
being carried out in the refinery to
enable it to process high sulphur
crudes. The estimated cost of the
project is Rs. 13.6 crores and it is
expected to be completed by mid-
1974. The idle unit at the refinery
is, however, expected to be commis-
sioned by the end of 1972 by utilising
crude oil proposed to be imported
from Iraq. This crude has nearly
2 % sulpher against almost sulphur
free crude from Assam. As a result,
pending the completion of modifica-
tion works by mid-1974, the 3rd unit
will be operated at a lower capacity
of 0.7 million tonnes only.

(iiij Koyali Refinery : Although the
design capacity of the refinery is 3
million tonnes per annum, by a pro-
cess of re\amping and debottlenecking
it has already been increased to 4 3
million tonnes per annum. The
Working Group constituted to exa-
mine the question of further expan-
sion of the refinery in all its aspects
submitted its report in November,
1971. The report has been examined
and the Indian Oil Corporation have
been asked to prepare a feasibility
report for expansion of the refinery
to 5.5 million tonnes per annum de-
signed to process imported crude
supplemented with indigenous crude.

(iv) H aid la Refinery : A refinery with
a capacity of 2.5 million tonnes per
annum is under construction at Hal-
dia in West Bengal. This project is
expected to come on stream by the
third quarter of 1973?

to the refinery site at Mathura. The
refinery is expected to produce motor
spirit, naphtha, high speed Diesel
Oil, Kerosene Oil, Light Diesel Oil,
Furnace oil (including feedstock for
fertilizers), LPG and Bitumen. A
special feature of the refinery project
will be the provision of a one-million
tonne Hydrocracker to cod vert heavy
residue into more valuable middle
distillates for which there is a large
and growing demand in the north-
west-region. The refinery is likely
to be ready for commissioning by
1978.

(vi) Bongaigaon Refinery : Govern-
ment have decided to set up a million
tonne grass-roots refinery at Bongai-
gaon in Assam together with a DMT /
polyester fibre petro-chemical com-
plex.

The Bongaigaon refinery will
process mixture of ONGC and OIL
Crudes. The existing Oil India
pipeline from Naharkatiya is being
expanded in capacity to transport
this additional one million tonne
crude from the ONGC fields to Bon-
gaigaon. The project is expected to
come on stream in 1976.

(vii) Fifth Plan Projects : Koyali
expansion and the construction of
new refineries in the North West and
at Bongaigaon as also the modifica-
tion of Barauni Refinery will only be
completed during the Fifth Plan
period. The other projects for the Fifth
Plan period are under consideration of
a Task Force appointed by the
Planning Commission in the light of
the recent recommendations of the
Fuel Policy Committee.

(v) North West Refinery , Mathura •
The refinery, to be set up at Mathura,
will have a capacity of 6 million
tonnes per annum and will be the
biggest oil refinery in the country.
The crude oil requirements of the
refinery will be met by imports.
Crude Oil to be imported will be
received in the Gulf of Kutch where
an offshore 'single buoy mooring'
facility will be provided. From there
crude oil will be brought to a shore
terminal and therefrom by a pipeline

2. The gap between the indigenous avai-
lability of crude oil and the total
requirements will be made good by
imports.

SHRI S R. DAMANI : As far as refin-
ing capacity is concerned, I think the
Government has done impressively. But, as
far as production of crude oil is concerned, we
are very much lagging behind. We are still
importing a large quantity of crude oil from
other countries which costs foreign exchange.
Our exploration programmes are still lagging

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Oral Answers 14

behind. Sometime back government offered
to purchase crude oil and supply to private
refineries. What is the reaction of the private
refineries to the government supplying them
crude oil ?

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : In fact, there
are two questions in this. One is with regard
to exploration. The hon. Member says that
exploration has not been adequate. This is
not related to the other question. On this
all I can say is that we have reached nearly
the target of 8 million tonnes, which is not a
poor target, although we certainly desire to
reach more. Efforts are being made to have
both inland and off shore exploration. As
the House knows, off-shore drilling will start
somewhere late this year or early next year
after the platform is ready. Then we expect
Substantial quantities will be explored. The
second question was whether efforts were
being made by some private companies for
refining oil supplied by the Government, and
not imported by them. I believe that is the
implication of the question. All such offers
were always accompanied by such onerous
conditions that without detriment to our
interest we could not accept them.

SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Government
made an offer to supply crude to the lefinenes
hecause the refineries are otherwise increasing
their prices. During the last few years the
refineries raised the prices often when Govern-
ment staid "no, you cannot increase the
prices ; we will supply you the crude.” What
has happened to that proposal ?

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : So far as the
foriegn oil companies, to which probably the
hon. Member has made a reference, are
concerned, there are three coastal refineries
in the private sector. They have consistently
stood by their agreements which provided
that they will be entitled to import their own
crude. All our efforts to see that we import
crude for them have not succeeded.

SHRI S. R. DAMANI : The hon. Minister
has referred to exploration work Is there
any tinte-bound programme for exploration
of crude oil ?

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I could not
follow. What does he mean by ‘pro-
gramme*— 'time-bound programme* ? For
what ?

MR. SPEAKER : I am trying to follow
him. About exploration, he asks whether
there is any phased programme, any time-
bound programme.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : There is a
time-bound programme as the House knows
already because it was stated here more than
once before that a joint team of ONGC and
Russian experts have gone into this question.
This is not directly related, so, I do not have
the exact figures, I know that they have
come to the conclusion that within the first
five year period we are in a position to dis-
cover reserves to the tune of six to seven
million tonnes and in the subsequent five year
period we will be reaching a target of thirteen
million tonnes. That joint recommendation
was one of the recommendatious that has
been accepted and put into implementation and
there is a possibility.

SHRI RAJA KULKARNI . Is the
Government aware that the ESSO and
Burmah-Shell refineries in Bombay had re-
sorted to restrictive production practices by
importing less crude on the ground of non-
availabil : ty of foreign exchange?

MR. SPEAKER My dear Rajaji. it is
not relevant

SHRI RAJA KULKARNI : I will clarify
the point

MR. SPEAKER : Why are you going
that far ? The question is about the capacity
of refineries. You are bringing in ESSO,
Burmah-Shell, etc. You may ask a separate
question about it.

SHRI R. S, PANDEY : With regard to
the question of essential commodities which
are to be imported by the private sector, in
order to avoid the mal-practices, the import
of these essential commodities has been
channelised through the STC. I would like
to know whether the Government have got
any scheme to channelise the crude oil imports
which are at present being made by the
private sector refineries. If not, why not ?

SHRI H. R, GOKHALE : The hon.
Member knows and the House knows that the
Government is as anxious as the hon.
Members to see that the import of crude, so far

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Oral Answers 16

as the private sector refineries are concerned,
should be made by ourselves at prices favoura-
ble to us. But, as J have said before, and
1 think it bears lepetition, with regard to
foreign oil companies, we have got agreements
for a period of 25 years, the first of which
comes to an end sometimes in 1979. The
result is that they are insisting on the written
clause of the agreement that so far as crude
oil is concerned, they will be entitled to bring
their crude from their own sources for the
purpose of refinery in their refineries.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY :* This is the crux
of the problem They may be entitled, but
when they indulge in malpractices, cant't you
annul the agreement ? The Government is the
supreme authority.

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t take the
second chance.

MR. SPEAKER : Shii Vajpayee absent.

Shii Mayavan — absent.

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Oral Answers

Payment of Bonos to the Civilian Employees
Working in Defence

*353. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the All-India Defence Emp-
loyees Federation has requested Government
to refer the question of payment of Bonus to
the civilian employees in Defence to the
Committee tvhich has been formed to review
the working of the Bonus Act ; and

(b) if so, the reacrion of Government in
this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). The communica-
tion referred to by the Hon’ble Member is not
readily available. However, the question
whether employees of Departmental Under-
takings under the Ministry of Defence may ce
eligible for payment of bonus is being
examined.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In the consul-
tative committee meeting of the Labour
Ministry held on 24th July a resolution was
passed by all sections of the Members present
there demanding from the Labour Ministry,
or rather the Labour Minister, that the matter
should be refened to the Government for
consideration. I want to know whether the
hon Minister is aware of this fact. I want to
know whether the Defence Ministry has also
supported this ca^c in view of the discrimina-
tion between public undertaking and Defence
Ministiy and the Department of Labour.

SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : As
I said this is still under examination. The
Department of Labour is processing this case.
After the mutual consultations among vari-
ous ministries concerned are over they will
take up the matter before the Cabinet for the
decision of the Cabinet, Only after that we
will be able to indicate what action we are
going to take in the matter.

Utilisation of Loans from World Bank given
to States

- *354. SHRI C. R. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
State :

(a) whether the World Bank loans given
to the various States during the last three
years have remained ^unutilised ?

(b) if so, the amount of loans remaining
unutilised and the reasons therefor ; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Out of

loans/credits received from World Bank and
the International Development Association for
groundwater development, irrigation and farm
machanization in various states an amount of
$ 21 million has been utilised so far.

(b) These loans/credits are to be utilised
over a number of years according to the
phased programme for implementation of the
projects. The [amount of credits still to be
drawn is $ 303 million.

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : There
are press reports saying that due to some
procedural difficulties. Government have failed
to utilise these loans provided by the World
Bank. How far are they true ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
We hope that utilisation will pick up as time
passes, because in the earlier stages this
takes certain preparatory work as this is a
rather very complicated thing with institu-
tional arrangements and other things. But as
time passes, it will pick up speed.

SHRI * C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The
Minister reflered to initial difficulties. But if
I may be permitted to say so, World Bank
loans amounting to $ 324 million for agricul-
tural development have been with the Ministry
unspent for three years. That is not due to
initial difficulties.

SHRI YESWANTRAO CHAVAN : It is
not just a question of the Ministry having got
the money and it has to be just thrown around.
It has to be spent for proper purposes. It re*
quires certain spending in each State. But I can
say it is picking up. For example, only $ 3.2
million were spent during 1970-71 ; it has gone

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Oral Answers 20

up to$ 7.3 million during 1971-72. During Ihe
current year, we have utilised so far $ 10.5
million. This is how it is going up. But I
am sure it will take time. 1 cannot say that
only because the money is available we will
be able immediately to spend it. There are
certain conditions in the project itself, in what
manner it is to be spent.

SHRI PR1YA RANJAN DAS MUNSI :
In reply to (c), the hon. Minister answered
in the affirmative. Since the reports
may be readily available with the Ministry,
which are the States or which is the only State
which is utilising readily the money given by
the World Bank for agricultural develop-
ment 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
do not think I should identify any parti-
cular State because practically the position is
more or less the same everywhere since the diffi-
culties are the same. Mostly selected States have
already undertaken this responsibility. For
example, in the case of irrigation projects,
Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat are the major
States in this. In the case of the former, we
have got the Pochampad project and in the
case of the latter, the Kadana project. In
regard to the Kadana project, the contractor
who was given the contract could not
fulfil it. So they issued new notices and
new tenders. Nobody responded to that.
Therefore, Government decided to take it up
departmentally. These are the difficulties that
come in the way. We are in touch with
State Governments. I hope the hon. member
will appreciate my difficulty in specifically
pointing out which State is better and which
is not.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : What is the pro-
cedure for the demand of loans by the
States 7 Are the States not required to for-
ward the proposed projects for the loans ? If
they are, how is it that the project was not
prepared properly as a result of which the loan
is not utilised 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
The present question relates to the case where
after the project is accepted and the money
sanctioned, the question arises of how to
Bnplepient it. This does not relate to how
tfcfe project is to be put before the World
Sink fbr its acceptance etc. That is rather
ft lengthy process, because the experts from the

World Bank come here, and they sit with the
Central Government, they go and inspect the
project, they prepare the project report or the
feasibility report, and after that, it is discussed
and negotiated. So, that is a different matter
altogether. The present question deals with
the post-sanction position and the difficulties
in implementing what has already been
sanctioned and we are discussing only that
point now.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : With regard to
the World Bank Joans, may I know whether
when money is sanctioned for a particular
project but it is not utilised, wc are obliged
te pay commitment charges in terms of foreign
exchange ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
do not think that there is any question of our
having to pay back when the money is not
being used. For, the question is one of
disbursements on the basis of actual expendi-
ture.

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SHRI SOMCHANOD SOLANKI : May I
know whether first we have to apply for loan
from the World Bank and then we finalise
the programme or wc first arrange the pro*

21 Oral Answers

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 12

gramme and the utilisation of the amount
and then ask for the loan from the World
Bank 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
We do both. Both things are there,

Import of Interior Lubricant by I.O.C.
and its sale to Railways

•

*356. SHRI N.K. SANGHI ; Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHFMI-
CALS be pleased to to state :

(a) whether the Indian Oil Corporation
imported from Bangkok and Rumania some
lubricant of certain specifications inferior to
I.S. specifications through the Oceanic Petro-
leum Company during the last three years and
sold the same to the Indian Railways through
the D.G.S. & D representing it to be of I.S.
specifications with the result that Railways
had to suffer heavy losses besides impairing
the efficiency of running of trains ; and

(b) if so, what action Government have
taken against the concerned officials for the
above transaction and, if no action has been
taken so far, whether Government intend to
institute an enquiry into the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE, AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) The
axle oil required by the Indian Railways is
normally imported from Rumania under rupee
payment under the provisions of the Trade
Plan agreement between the two Governments.
All of these imports are made through Messrs
Petrolexport, the Rumanian Government
agency. In the last two years some imports
have also been made from Bangkok through
M/s. Oceanic Petroleum Corporation, after
inviting competitive tenders. Currently, imports
are being made from Rumania through Messrs
Petrolexport. None of the imports made
from Bangkok through the Oceanic Petroleum
Corporation has been found to be inferior or
different from the Indian Standards specifica-
tions. Three out of the nine consignments
imported from Rumania, however, had margi-
nally different specifications than those speci-
fied by the Indian Standards. These were,
however, within the tolerance limits and were
accepted by the Indian Railways as such.
Neither the IOC nor the DGS&D through
whom all these supplies are made, have receiv-

ed any complaints from Railways of damage
or losses on this account.

(b) Does not arise.

SHRI N.K. SANGHI: May I know
whether the three consingments sent by Ruma-
nia through the Petrolexports were inferior to
the ISI specifications ? If so, has this matter
been taken up with the Petrolexport for dama-
ges 7 Was this aspect brought to the notice
of the railways that the oil that was being
supplied from Rumania was not up to the ISI
specifications but within the tolerance limits ?

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : As I said, the
specifications were in a few consignments less
than the standard. But they were within the
tolerance limits ; they were routed through
the IOC and the DGSD, and neither of these
two organisations nor the railways have raised
any question that they were inferior and it has
affected the working of the railways. Our
enquiries also show that this was not on account
of anything wrong done by Rumania, but
there has been some contamination during
transit, and the reasons for that contamination
for the small quantity could not be located.

SHRI N.K. SANGHI : May I know
whether a memorandum has been sent by the
Akhil Bharatiya Oil Dealers’ Association
where so many vagaries have been mentioned
and whether they have been brought to the
attention of the hon. Minister 7 Has rhfs
memorandum been examined and proper act-
tion taken 7 They have particulary alleged
that inferior oil has been shown as superior
oil, and superior oil as inferior oil, to various
dealers.

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : This particular
organisatioo has been making a number of
representations for quite sometime. They have
all been axamined and appropriate replies
have been given at the appropriate time.

Ex-Rulers Holding Foreign Exchange
Accounts Abroad

*357. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether many of the ex-rulers are
still holding foreign exchange accounts and
assets abroad ; and

23 Oral Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

Oral Answers 24

(b) the action Government propose to
take against those ex-rulers who have not yet
declared their accounts and assets abroad
as required under Government directives ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Govern-
ment are aware that some of the ex-rulers
are holding assets abroad.

(b) Ex-rulers are subject lo the same rights
and obligations as other citizens under the
regulations. Consequent upon the commence-
ment of the Constitution (Twenty sixth amend-
ment) Act, 1971 this legal position is being
intimated to the ex-rulers. Those who fail to
comply with the legal requirements will be
liable for action under law.

MR. SPEAKER: Yes; Shri Praboth
Chandra— not asking any supplementary ques-
tion. Now, Shri Banerjee.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : After the
amendment of the Constitution, the same
action will be taken against the ex-rulers as is
taken against any Indian citizen having foreign
assets. Now, I would like to know whether
any assessment has been made of their total
assets in foreign countries. May I also know
whether it is also a fact that besides foreign
exchange accounts, curios and statues and
jewels and other things are also sent out and
kept in foreign countries, and whether any
assessment has been made of those things and,
if so, what action has been taken against the
concerned ex-rulers 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
have not got the actual amount of assessment in
individual cases. But the position has chang-
ed after the amendment of the Constitution.
The previous position was that before a cer-
tain date— zero hour— whatever they had
before that date, it was supposed that they
were entitled to keep them abroad. But now,
after the amendment of the Constitution, the
rights and obligations about holding any
foreign exchange in other countries for all
the Indian citizens have become the same. On
that ground, certain instructions or certain
guidelines would be issued to the Reserve Bank.
I think the Home Ministry also will inform
the individual rulers so that they will become
aware of it.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE What is the r

total asset 7

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN; I
have not got the details of the assessment with
me.

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : Apart from the
foreign exchange accounts, is it not a fact that
from Jaipur or Udaipur or any other ‘Pur*,
they are sending their curios to foreign count-
ries and whether any watch is kept on them 7
I want to know what the Government are
doing.

MR. SPEAKER You include curios
in this ?

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : Yes, Sir. They
are sending them out to foreign countries.
(. Interruption )

MR. SPEAKER : Order, please. Shri
Gotkhinde.

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE :
May I know from the hon. Minister whether
the Government would give us an assurance
that any ex-gratia payment that the Govern-
ment intends to make to the ex-rulers will not
be made to such defaulting ex-rulers 7

MR. SPEAKER : It is a suggestion for
action.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
May I know whether there is any obligation
casL upon every citizen to declare what he has
been holding by way of accounts in foreign
bunks ? If that is so, may I know whether
these rulers had also given some information
to the government that they were holding
some account in foreign banks ? Secondly,
may I know whether recently permission
had been given to any ruler to bring back
money held in foreign countries ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: I
cannot give all these details unless separate
notice is given. I think it is obligatory on
every citizen to declare whatever foreign ex-
change he holds abroad.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
But the Minister said in reply to an earlier
question that Government was not in posses-
sion of information about the total amoupt
that the rulers have abroad.

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BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 26

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
What I meant was that at the present moment
I have not got that information.

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It is an open
secret that most of the rulers have been holding
huge sums in foreign exchange outside the
country. Will the Government ascertain
through some agency as to what is the sum
in terms of foreign exchange or will it be
left to the sweet will of the rulers to declare
whether they have any amount there or not ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
While we expect the rulers to declare what
they have been holding abroad, in case we
hod that what they have declarec is illusory,
we can always do that also. But, at the pre-
sent moment, I do not think we should begin
with that.

Award of Prizes to Sarpanchs of Gram Pancha-

yats for Securing Deposits Under Small
Savings Schemes

*359. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether it has been decided by Go-
vernment to award prizes to the Sarpanch or
Pramukh of the Gram Panchayat securing
highest collections In his/her Block during the
special National Savings Fortnight in order
to provide incentives to those engaged in
Small Savings collections ;

( b) if so, whether the prize winners for
the various Blocks in the eountry have been
selected by the State Governments concerned
for the year 1971 ; and

(c) whether it is also envisaged to give a
special prize to the Sarpanch/Pramukh, who
secures the highest collection in a state and
in the whole of the country ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI-
NISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. In order
to encourage non-official participation at Gram
Panchayat level for promoting small saving
collections, the Government of India institu-
ted the award of prizes reckoned at the rate
of Rs. 150/- for each block to the Sarpanch or
Pramukh of the Gram Panchayat securing
highest collections in each Block during the

National Saving Fortnight beginning from the
31st October, 1971.

(b) The period of special campaign was
varied by most of the State Governments and
thus the compaigns continued in the States
for varying periods up to the 29th February,
1972. Complete information about the num-
ber of prize winners selected has not been
received from all the States. Kerala have selec-
ted 23 prize winners and Gujrat have selected
18 prize winners.

(c) The scheme of prizes for 1971-72 did
not envisage the award of special prize to
the Sarpanch/Pramukh securing the highest
collections in a State or in the country as a
whole.

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR :
In view of the answer to part (c) of the
question, may I know whether the government
is considering the award of a prize to the
sarpanch who has the highest collection to his
credit in his State or the country ?

SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI : It is
a good suggestion. I do not think Government
will have any objection to that. We can cer-
tainly consider it.

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27 Oral Answers

AUGUST 23, 1972

Oral Answers 28

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) to (c). It has been reported
that a procession was taken out at Ranvir-
singhpura on the 12th June, 1972 to demand
extension of the scope of the schemes sanc-
tioned by the Department of Rehabilitation
for compensating or alleviating the losses
suffered during the December 1971 conflict.
No reference in this regard has, however,
been received from the State Government who
are responsible for settling the claims and
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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 30

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tioned it. I will now go through the second
round of the Question List.

Indian Airlines Flights from Madras, Delhi,
Bombay and Calcutta Delayed and Can-
celled during the Last Fifteen Days

*351 SHRI PILOO MODY: Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-

TION be pleased to state :

(a) how many Indian Airlines flights from
Madras, Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta were de-
layed and for how long, during the last fifteen
days ;

(b) how many of them were cancelled after
making the passengers wait for Jong hours
and how long after departure time were they
announced as cancelled ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION (DR. SAROJ1NI MAHISHI) :
(a) to (c). I lay a statement on the Table of
the Sabha.

Statement

(a) The Number of Indian Airlines flights delayed from Madras, Delhi, Bombay and
Calcutta during the period 25th July to 8th August, 1972 is given here under :

SI. No.

Station

Break up of delays

between

15 minutes and
one hour

between

61 minutes and
two hours

I exceeding
two hours

Madras

Delhi

Bombay

131

Calcutta

98 .

Total :

113

—

l " "

GRAND TOTAL 560

(b) Number of flights cancelled :

Ex Madras

Ex Delhi
6

Ex Bombay

Ex Calcutta

31 Oral Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 32

Madras

Delhi

Bombay

Calcutta

SI.

No.

Reasons

De-

lays

Cancel-

lation

De-

lays

Cancel-

lation

De-

lays

Cancel-

lation

De-

lays

Cancel-

lation

Engineering

—

Commercial (Cate-
ring Traffic and
Security check)

- -

Operations

—

Transport

—

Weather

—

Consequential

—

Miscellaneous

A.T.C. (DGCA)

—

Total

125

174

■

SHR1 PILOO MODY : If I could not
come here injtimeto ask the Question, I could
have hardly iiead the statement.

Sir, very often the planes are being de-
layed for no reason at all. Only yesterday,
when I came from Calcutta, because they did
not have enough passengers on a scheduled
flight, they combined the two flights and ran a
latter flight thereby delaying me for hours.
I do not think this is the manner in which a
public utility service should be run. What has
the Minister got to say about merging of
flights and why most of these delays are
caused ?

DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : It is not
usually done like that in a public sector under-
taking, whether it is economical or uneconomi-
cal. We undertake to operate lines whether
there are passengers or no passengers. The
services are operated. I do not know whether
the Member knows the extact reason as to
why one flight was cancelled or delayed. 1
shall try to find it out. Usually, the merging
does not take place.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Preference Given by Monopolies Commission
to Joint Sector Units

*342. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased
state :

(a) whether the Monopolies Commission
has expressed itself in favour of more joint
sector units instead of private sector units ;

(b) if so, whether recently any joint sector
ventures have been cleared by Government; and

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY):
(a) The Commission has not made any such
general observation. Ia one case, one Member
in his minority report bad proposed divestment
of a segment of shares held by another com-
pany in favour of financial institutions as a
first step towards joint sector.

33 Written Answers BHADRA 3,

(b) and (c). Among the cases coming
under Section 21 or 22 of the M.R.T.P. Act,
an application of M/s, Centuary Spinning &
Manufacturing Co. Ltd. has been approved on
the basis of formation of a new company
the capital structure of which would be in
the nature of a joint sector. An application
from M/s. Bangur Bros. Ltd., though not
referred to the M.R.T.P. Commission, has
been approved on the same principle. An appli-
cation from M/s.Cominco Binani Zinc Ltd.,
though not referred to the M.R.T.P. Commis-
sion, has also been cleared subject to the
condition that the project will be one in the
joint sector in terms of the Press Note dated
the 18th February 1970, issued by the Ministry
of Industrial Development and Internal Trade.

Assistance to Bangladesh

*343. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Government of India have
informed the Government of Bangladesh that
India would meet the marginal resource gap
in the annual development programme of
Bangladesh which has been launched recently ;
and

(b) if so, the extent of aid that India is
likely to provide annually ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) There
has been no request from the Government of
Bangladesh that India should meet the resource
gap in the annual development programme of
Bangladesh.

(b) A provision of Rs. 200 crores has
been made for assistance to Bangladesh for
the two years 1971-72 and 1972-73.

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35 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answers 36

Seizure of Contraband Goods From A Dutch
Sh^|in Bombay

•349. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether contraband goods valued at
Rs. 17 5 lakh were seized from a Dutch ship
in Bombay on the 15th July, 1972 ; and

(b) if so, what action has been taken
against those held responsible ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). On 14-7-72 contra-
band goods valued about Rs. 17 '66 lakhs
(at Indian market rate) were seized from a
Duch Motor Vessel Strrat Johore. Since, on
the basis of the enquiries made, it was not
possible to connect any particular person on
board M. V. Strrat Johore with the contra-
band seized no arrests were made. How-
ever, the vessel was seized on the grounds
that it was used for transporting smuggled
goods and was later released on a bond with
Bank surety for Rs. 10 lakhs. Show Cause
memos are being issued to the Captain,
Chief Engineer, agents and owners of the
vessel.

Scheme of Statistical Returns in Banks

*352. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to intro-
duce a new scheme of statistical returns
replacing the practice of monthly returns of
advances by the Commercial Banks in the
country ; and

(b) if so, the salient features of the
scheme ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESWANTRAO CHAVAN) (a) Yes, Sir. The
Reserve Bank of India has introduced a new
system of statistical returns by the Commer-
cial Banks.

(b) A Statement is I aid on the Table of
fba House.

Statement

Salient features on the new System of Statistical

Returns Introduced by the Reserve Bank of
India with effect from August , 1972

(1) The new system of statistical repor-
ting is designated as ''Basic Statisti-
cal Returns” (B.S.R.).

(2) It provides for a steady flow of in-
formation on deposits and advances
required by the Reserve Bank with-
out undue strain on banks’ branches.

(3) Under the new system basic informa-
tion on deposits and advances will
be submitted by branches to the
banks twice a year.

(4) In the past returns from the branches
were submitted straight to the Re-
serve Bank with a copy to the Head
Offi:e of the bank concerned. Under
the new system branches will submit
their returns to the Head or Regional
Office of each bank and that bank
will issue the responsibility for the
collection and checking of the re-
turns. The Head Offices of the banks
will send the returns to the Reserve
Bank after checking the accuracy of
the returns.

(5) Taking into consideration the socio-
economic significance of agricultural
development, two special returns, one
the quantum and levels of lending to
agriculture and the other relating to
recovery performance, have been in-
troduced. These returns have to be
submitted by the Head Offices of the
banks .

(6) Returns submitted to the Reserve
Bank will be on State-wise basis.
The banks have also been advised to
consolidate the data on districtwise
basis to meet enquiries that arise
from time to time.

(7) The system also provides for calling
for monthly data from Head Offices
of the banks on advances against
security of selected commodities.

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

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Seismic Surveys in the Bombay High
Structures

*354. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether detailed seismic surveys in
the Bombay High Structures have been comp-
leted to pinpoint locations of the first few
wells ; and

(b) the period during which drilling
will be completed there after getting the
delivery of mobile platform from Japan ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) Drilling in this area would initially
be of a limited number of exploratory wells.
In the event of any of these wells indicating
the presence of favourable geological conditions,
a number of additional wells have to be drill-
ed to further explore the oil potential of the
area and to assess the commerciality of the
oil-find. If this leads to the establishment of
oil accumulation of commercial importance, a
larger number of development wells would
have to be drilled to obtain production of
oil.

Thus, it cannot be reliably estimated, at
the present stage, as to the period during
which drilling would be completed at these
structures, as it would mainly depend on the
results obtained from exploratory drilling and
the time that the drilling of the various wells
will take.

Violation of Indian Territorial waters and
Air Space by Pakistan

*358. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state
the number of times Pakistan Violated Indian
territorial waters and air space since the cease
fire of December, 1971 ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : No report of violation
of Indian territorial waters by Pakistan since
the cease-fire of December 1971 has been re-
ceived, The number of violations of Indian
air space is ten.

Plan Investment Board

3380. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under
the consideration of Government to appoint
a Plan Investment Board to expedite clear-
ance of projects included in the Central Plan ;
and

(b) the number of projects in the country.
State-wise which are behind schedule 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) It has been decided to con-

stitute a Public Investment Board as a form
for consideration of public sector investment
proposals.

(b) Information is being collected and
will be placed before the House.

Fall in Exchange value of Rupee in South
East Asia

3381. SHRI B1SHWANATH JHUNJHUN-
WALA : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleaced to state :

(a) whether the exchange value of rupee
has since fallen in South East Asia ;

(b) whether similar trends are discerni-
ble in European countries also ; and if so, to
what extent this has fallen in different places ;
and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b).
No, Sir All authorised^ foreign exchange
transactions are carried out at the official
exchange rate. Because of the sporadic and
marginal character of foreign exchange deals
carried out in contravention of Exchange
control JRegulations, unofficial rates cannot in
any way be considered as an indicator of the
external value of the rupee.

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AUGUST 25* 1972

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Drugs and Pharmaceutical Fljufts In India
which bold more than 25 per cent
Foreign Equity*

3382. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstirred Question No 6738 on the
19th May, 1972 regarding drugs and pharmaceu-
tical firms in India and state :

(a) whether the information, referred to
therein, has since been collected ; and

(b) if so, whether it would be laid down
on the Table of the House 7

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b).
The names of Drugs & Pharmaceutical firms
having more than 25 per cent foreign equity
are given in the statement laid on the Table of
the House. [Placed in library. See No.
LT— 3502/72], The remittances made by them
on account of dividends, royalties, technical
know-how fees etc. are as follows :

1969-70

RS.

1970-71

RS.

Dividends/Profits.

364,37,643

414,03,353

Head Office expenses.

11,98,907

27,01,459

Technical know-how

12,01,622

26,97,678

Royalty.

94,95,272

17,73,425

Total :

483,33,444

485,75,915

Availability of Natural Gas and its Use

3383. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUNJ-
HUNWALA : Will the Minister of PETRO-
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to
state the total availability of natural gas in the
country at present and the quantity
which has been put to use and the nature
thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTI-
CE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE): The present avai-
lablity and utilisation of Natural Gas may be
seen from the following figures pertaining to

the first six months of 1972 :

Period

Production

Utilisation

January/June

(in million cubic meters)

1972

786

453

The utilisation was as feedstock for manu-
facture of fertilisers, power generation, indus-
trial fuel, and maintenance of pressure in
oilfields.

Utilisation of Gas for Fertilizer Plants

3384. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUNJHUN-
WALA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state
whether Government have considered the desi-
rability of using natural gas for fertiliser plants
as is being envisaged by the Government of
Iraq and if so, the details of the studies made
in this matter ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUST-
ICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : Government is
aware of the advantages of using the Natural
gas as feedstock for fertilizer production. In
fact, natural/associated gas is already being
used for fertilizer production by the Namrup
Unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of India
and the Gujarat State Fertilizer Company,
Baroda. Natural gas is also proposed to be
used as feedstock in the Namrup Expansion
Scheme and in the unit being set up by the
Indian farmers Fertilizer Cooperative Ltd. at
Kalol. These two schemes are currently under
implementation.

Extent of Reduction in Revenue and Emp-
loyment Opportunities due to shifting
of Foreign Air Companies from
Calcutta

3385. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN-
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of TOUR-
ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to
state the extent to which the revenue and emp-
loyment opportunities have dwindled during
the last three years at Calcutta Air port due
to shifting of foreign air Companies from
Calcutta ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION : (DR, KARAN SINGH):

BHADRA 3, tm ( SARA )

Written Answers 42

41 Anewers

The Revenue realised by the Civil Aviation
Oepa^tment at Calcutta airport during the
last three years was as follows :

Year

Revenue

1969-70.

Rs.

1,01,00,565.

1970-71.

Rs.

1.04,94,418.

1971-72.

Rs.

95,39,327.

before the Emergency than during the period
of emergency ; and

(b) if so, the level of production three
months before and three months after the
promulgation of emergency ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHR1
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) No. Sir. In fact the
production increased after the Promulgation of
Emergency.

(b) Monthly value of production for
September 197 1 to February 1972 was as
follows :

The slight drop in revenue in 1971-72 is not
solely due to shifting of operations by some
of the foreign airlines from Calcutta.

Though the shifting of operations by some
airlines has resulted in retrenchment of some
employees engaged by the airlines concerned,
there has been no change in the employment
position so far as the staff of the Civil Avia-
tion Department and the International Air-
ports Authority of India are concerned.

Shortfall in Credit Advances to Neglected
Sectors

3386. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF
REWA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been a shortfall in
the percentage of credit advanced to the
neglected sectors by the nationalised banks ;
and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Output of the Shahjahanpur Ordnance
Clothing Factory

3387. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the output of the Shahjahan-
pur Ordnance Clothing Factory was more

September 1971

...Rs. 1.51 crores,

October 1971

...Rs. 0.79 crores.

November 1971

...Rs. 0.89 csores.

December 1971

...R9. 1.73 crores.

January 1972

...Rs, 1.75 crores.

February 1972

...Rs. 1 18 crores.

Applications for Loan Received by Giridih
Branch of State Bank of India

3388. SHRI CHAPALENDU BHATTA-
CHARYYIA : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state :

(a) the number of loan applications
received by State Bank of India, Giridih
Branch for loans upto Rs. 10,000 in 1971 and
1972, separately ;

(b) the number of applicants who have
been advanced loans ;

•

(d) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI): (a) to (d). The
information is being collected to the extent
feasible and the same will be placed on the
Table of the House.

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Extension of L.I.C. Sefteme of Advances
for Housing to Policy Holders in
Giridih, Hazsribagh

3389, SHRI CHAPALENDU BHATTA-
CHARYYIA : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether the L.I.C- had extended the
Scheme of advances for housing to Policy
Holders in Giridih (District Hazaribagh) in
January, 1971 ;

(b) if so, the number of loan applications
received since then ; and

THE MINISTER Or FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) The

LJ.C. has extended its *Own Your Home’
Scheme (for its policy holders) to Giridih
Centre in November, 1970.

(b) and (c). Of the seven applications
received from this Centre till 31st March,
1972, the L.I C. has sanctioned five loan
applications for Rs. 99,000 /- and disbursed
Rs. 73,000/-. One application was rejected.

Filling up of Clerical Posts In the Bank of
Baroda

3390. SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of applications received
in response to the last advertisement of the
Bank of Baroda for filling the clerical posts
and the number of posts filled ;

(b) whether a number of graduates/posts
graduates with high good division were not
given chance to appear for the written
test ;

and

(d) whether Go\ eminent proposed to
streamline the system of recruitment and form
a common pool for all the Nationalised Banks
a$d if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) to (c). In response to the
last advertisement. Bank of Baroda received
about 85,600 applications. No post has been
filled up, as the selection process is not yet
complete, The Bank called candidates
15 times the number of anticipated vacancies
for the written test. Keeping in mind the
promotional opportunities to the officer cadre,
the Bank decided to call 60% of the candi-
dates who were degree holders and the rest
who were non-graduates. However, all the
Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes candidates,
with the requisite qualifications, whether non-
graduates or graduates, were called for the
written test. As the bank needed more
graduates with agriculture, commerce and law
qualifications, the bank felt it necessary to
limit the number of candidates who possess
degrees either in Science or Art. Therefore,
it is likely that a number of graduates/post
graduates with high total marks, in such facu-
lties as Art or Science may not have been
called for the written test.

(d) Government have under consideration
a proposal for setting up a common recruit-
ment agency for all the nationalised banks.

Financial Assistrnce from Foreign Countries
for Educational and Charitable Institutions
in Kerala

3391. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number and names of educational
and charitable institutions in Kerala receiving
financial assistance from foreign countries and
the total amount received by them during
1970-71 and 1971-72 ;

(b) whether Government are aware that
the assistance received by these institutions is
being used to organise agitations against
Government : and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) The information is being

collected and will be laid on the Table of the
House.

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Written Answers 46

(bi) and (c). At present there is no law or
machinery to check the inflow of foriegn
money in India. Legislative proposals are
being finalised for the purpose of imposing
suitable restrictions on the receipt of funds
from foreign associations, agencies or indivi-
duals otherwise than in the course of ordinary
and bona fide transactions. A Bill will be
introduced in Parliament at an early date.

Pilot Trainiog to Rankers in I.A.F.

3392. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
s'ate :

(a) whether there is any proposal to give
pilot training to rankers in the Indian Air
horce ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof 7

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) A scheme already

exists to train airmen as pilots in the Flying
Branch in the I.A.F.

(b) The qualifications required are that the
airmen should be below 21 years of age and
should have passed Matriculation or equiva-
lent Examination. After selection through
the Services Selection Board, those airmen,
who are found medically fit are detailed for
training as flight cadets and they are com-
missioned after successful completion of the
prescribed training. Those who do not make
the grade during the training are allowed to
revert as airmen or are released from the ser-
vice, if the so desire.

Bridging the gap in the Pay of Officers and
N.C.O.

3393. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state
whether there- is any proposal to bridge the
existing gap in the Pay of Officers and the
Non-Commissioned Officers of the Defence
forces 7

THE MFNISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : The structure of emolu-
ments, including benefits in cash and kind,
and death-cum-retirement benefits of officers
and personnel below officer rank in the Armed
Forces- are already under examination by the
Fay Commission,

Tourism Development Schemes for Gulmarg
(Kashmir) and Kovalam Beach in
Kerala

3394. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION
be pleased to state :

fa) the salient features of the tourism
development schemes for Gulmarg (Kashmir)
and Kovalam Beach (Kerala) ; and

(b) the amount spent by the Centre on
these two schemes so far 7

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
fa) The salient features of the tourist deve-
lopment schemes at Gulmarg, which is being
developed as a winter sports resort, and at
Kovalam »being developed as a beach resort
during the Fourth Plan period arc as follows :

Gulmarg :

( i ) A road from Tangmarg to Gulmarg.

( ii ) Erection of an aerial passenger
ropeway, a chair-lift and ski-lifts.

(iii) Establishment of the Institute of
Sking & Mountaineering.

(iv) Snow-clearing operations.

(v) Purchase of ski, mountaineering and
snow-clearing equipment.

(vi) A centrally heated hotel.

(vii) A master plan of Gulmarg indicat-
ing its development over a 10 year
period.

Kovalam :

( i ) A 100-room hotel,

(ii) 40 cottages.

(iii) A beach service centre.

(Sv) An open-air theatre.

(v) A yoga-cww-massage centre.

(vi) Development of aquatic sports.

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<b) A sum of Rs. '31.01 lakhs on the
Gulmarg Project and Ri, 31.87 lakhs on the
Kov&lam Project have been incurred upto
30.6.1772.

Grant of Exemption from Income-Tax on
Gratuity received by Employees

3395. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR
SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state ;

(a) whether Government propose to
amend the relevant portion of the Income-tax
Act to allow exemption from tax on gratuity
received by employees on retirement, on their
maximum 20 months' salary received as gra-
tuity if it exceeds Rs. 24,000/-, under the re-
cently passed Payment of Gratuity Bill, instead
of the present Rs. 24,000/- gratuity being
exempted from tax ; and

(b) if so, when the amendment is likely
to be introduced in Parliament ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Court Cases Instituted Against the Employees
of Controller of Defence Accounts, Patna

3396. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR
SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state :

(a) the number of court cases instituted
against the employees of Controller of Defence
Accounts, Patna, and the number of employees
involved therein, during the past three years ;

( b) the number of the court cases dis-
posed of and the number still pending ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
« rc ‘JSHlLA ROHATGI) : (a) No court case
t coo instituted by the Controller of Defence
founts, Parna, against any of his employees
tag the past three years. However, one
*t case was instituted by Civil Authorities

against one of his employees. Information
is not readily available about the number of
court cases instituted against the employees
by, or at the instance of others.

(b) The case referred to against (a) above
has been disposed of. The individual was
finally acquitted.

Education Facilities by Oil India Limited
and O. & N.O.C. to the Children of
Employees Working at Duliajan

3397. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS be pleased to state :

(a) the facilities given by the Oil India
and the Oil and Natural Gas Commission
to the children of their employees at Duliajan,
Manan and Naria in Assam ; and

(b) the amount spent annually by the Oil

India Limited, O. & N.G.C., Indian Oil

Corporation and Assam Oil Company for the
education of their employees’ children, sepa-
rately ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and
(b). The information is being collected and
will be placed on the Table of the House.

Compensation to Land Owners by Oil India
Limited and O. & N.G.C.

3398. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS be pleased to state :

(a) the total acreage of land acquired by
Oil India Ltd., and Oil and Natural Gas Com-
mission in the Districts of Dibrugarh and
Sibasagar ;

(b) the number of families who were paid
compensation fully and number of families who
have not yet received compensation ; and

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-

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BHADRA 3, 1»4 (SAKA)

Written Answers SO

CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) The
areas acquired by Oil India Limited and Oil
and Natural Gas Commission in these districts
are 1*145 acres and 1320.006 acres respectively.

(b) and fc). Oil India Limited has paid
compensation to 1342 owners (pattadars) and
the cases of compensation for 16 owners are
pending since their cases are sub judice and
the payment is stayed, by the competent
authority.

O.N.G.C. acquires land through direct
purchase and also through the State Govern-
ment. The amount of compensation of the
land acquired through the State Government
is deposited with them by ONGC in full,
immediately after the assessment is made by
the State Government, for disbursement to the
concerned paities. Land was acquired from
273 land owners by ONGC through direct
negotiations and compensation was paid to
them in full.

Enquiry into Foreign Tobacco Leaf and Ciga-
rette Manufacturing Companies

3399. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY :
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS
be pleased to stale :

(a) whether on receipt of a memorandum
from the Tobacco growers and other allied
interests regarding the monopolistic and res-
trictive trade practices of the foieign monopo-
lies in India in the Tobacco Leaf and Cigarette
industries (Indian Leaf Tobacco Development
Co., Vazir Sultan Tobacco Co., and Imperial
Tobacco Company) Government asked the
Monopolies Commission to go into the
matter ;

(b) whether the Monopolies Commission
has completed its investigations ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGKUNATHA REDDY) :

(a) The M.R.T.D, Commission has received
a complaint from 27 consumers of cigarettes
against Indian Tobacco Co. Ltd. tod Vazir
Sultan Tobacco Co, Ltd. alleging certain
restrictive and trade Jlptitices.

The complaints mmm to rest] %ade
practices have bps referred by

ston for preliminary investigation by the Direc-
tor of Investigation.

(b) No Sir.

Drawback of Custom Duty on Plywood Chests
granted to Tea Exporters

3400. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the conditions and rate at which tea
exporters are granted drawback of customs
duty on Plywood Chests used for packing tea
in bulk ;

(b) the purpose for which the drawback
is granted ; and

fc) the total amount of drawback
on plywood panels paid by Central Govern-
ment on account of exports in 1969-70, 1970-71
and 1971-72 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) The grant of drawback is
subject to the conditions laid down in Section
75 and Section 76 of the Customs Act, 1962
and the Customs and Central Excise Duties
Drawback Rules, 1971. The existing rate of
drawback on Complete tea chest made of ply-
wood panels is Rs. 138.20 per 100 Square
metres of surface area of tea chest.

(b) The drawback is allowed to relieve
ehe export goods from the burden of Central
Excise and Customs duties paid on materials
used in export goods so that our export goods
become more competitive in the world mar-
kets.

Drawback of Custom Duty on Tea Chests

3401. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state : r *

(a) the total amount paid to tea exporters
towards drawback of custom duty on complete
Plywood chests during the last three years
year-wise, in addition to the rebate of excise
duty on tea exports ;

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(b) whether drawback^* allowed only on
plywood chests manufacture# according to the
specifications of Indian Standards Institution
as raqilired tinder the Tea (Distribution and
Export) Control order ; and

(c) if not, the action’ taken against the
tea exporter whose export business licence is
stated to have been cancelled by Tea Board
for having exported tea bulk in sub-standard
plywood chests to U.S.A. as reported in the
Press report ‘New threats to tea export’ publi-
shed in * Hindustan Standard ’ dated the 19th
June, 1972 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R,
GANESH) : (a) The information is being

collected and will be laid on the table of the
House.

(b) Grant of drawback is not subject to
the condition that the chests should be manu-
factured according to the Indian Standard
specifications.

(c) It is a fact that a tea exporter's
licence has been cancelled by the Chairman,
Tea Board who is the licencing authority, on
the ground that he has contravened the pro-
visions of the Tea (Distribution and Export)
Control Order, 1957, The exporter has pre-
ferred an appeal against the cancellation of
his licence, which is under Governments’
consideration.

Assessment of Income-Tax on Tea Exporters

3402. SHRI B, K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the attention qf Government
has been drawn to the practice of not main-
taining proper record of private purchases of
tqa by a section of tea exporters as revealed
in the Press Report published in ’HINDUS-
TAN STANDARD' dated the 19th June, 1972
under the caption “New Threats to tea
export” ; and

(b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken
by Government to ensure proper assess-
ment of Income-tax of such Exporters ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K< R,

GANESH) : (a) Press report mentioned
has been seen.

(b) Necessary investigations will be made
and suitable action as called for under the law
will be taken.

Preference to Lady Doctors in Armed Services

3403. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of Lady Doctors in the
Armed Services ; and

(b) whether no preference is given to the
Lady Doctors in Army Services in the matter
of appointments and posting and if so, the
reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) 275.

(b) The lady medical officers are not
given any preference in the matter of appoint-
ment. However; as regards postings, they are
mostly posted in such establishments as family
wings of the Armed Forces Hospitals, Sick
Bays, Station Sick Quarters, etc.

Industrial/Business Establishments in which Shri

R P. Goenka and Members of his Family
hold Shares

3404. SHRI LALJI BHAI :

SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW-
HAN :

Will the Minister of COMPANY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state the namss of
the industrial and business concerns of which
Shri R. P. Goenka the industrialist of Calcutta
and the Members of his family are share-
holders 7

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA
REDDY) : The information is being collected
and it will be laid on the Table of the House.

Taking over of Andhra Scientific Company,
Masulipatnam

3405. SHRI RAM PRAKASH ;

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government propose to take

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over the management of Andhra Scientific
Company, Masnlipatnam ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). Government have
already taken over the Management of the
Andhra Scientific Company, Masulipatnam in
June 1972 under the Industries (Development
and Regulation) Act, 1951.

This was because the Company had re-
mained closed for financial reasons since
November, 1971 and it was considered neces-
sary to revive production in the unit to meet
Defence and Civ 1 requirements for Scientific
Instruments in the country. The Company
had also the necessary potential both by way
of plant and machinery and technical person-
nel to achieve this end.

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Manufacture of Laser Weapons

3407. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH :

SHRI SAMAR GUHA j

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of the
fact that USA has developed a laser weapon
which renders all conventional armies and
nuclear weapons obsolete ;

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) Government is aware of the
development of laser weapon systems in USA
but Government has no information that USA
has developed a laser weapon which renders
all conventional armies and nuclear weapons
obsolete.

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(b) We are folly alivclto the potentiality
of Laser In military use. *

(c) Our Defence Research and Develop-
ment Organisation has already undertaken
several investigational problems on develop-
ment of Laser borne systems and our activities
are going to be expanded in the next few
years.

Consumer Price Index for Industrial Workers

3408. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ-
PAYEE : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the National average consu-
mer price index number for industrial workers
has reached 238 ;

(b) whether the workers are to get in-
creased D.A. according to the recommenda-
tions of the Gajendragadkar Commission : and

i since when ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
fttoteTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) The All India Average Con-
ftimer Price Index number for industrial
workers for the month of June, 1972, which
is the latest avilable, was 244 (Base 1949=
100). The 12 monthly average for that month
|m 327.08.

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(b) and (c). Presumably, by the term
"workers” Central Government employees are
incatkt. If ^o, the last increase in dearness
allowance was given to Central Government
employees with effect from J.9.68 on the 12
monthly average of All India Consumer Price
Index number (base 1949 = 100) reaching 215
in terms of *the recommendations of the
Gajendragadkar Commission . Subsequently,
on the recommendations of the Third Pay
Commission, interim relief and additional
interim relief were allowed on the 12 monthly
average of the Index number reaching 218 and
228 respectively. In terms of the recommen-
dations of the Pay Commission, the question
of any further review can arise .When the 12
monthly average of the Inde£ caches 238.

Saving of Foreign Exchange In Accounts
Office of Indian Embassy in
Washington

3409. SHRI FATESINGHRAO GAEK-

WAD :

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM
KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a self-imposed cut In the
Accounts Office of the Indian Embassy in
Washington has resulted in a substantial saving
of foreign exchange : and

(b) if so, the extent thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a) Yes.
Sir.

(b) Thirteen thousand six hundred dollars
approximately during 1971-72.

Concentration of Pak Volunteer Force in
occupied Kashmir

3410. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :

SHRI K. MALL ANNA ;

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a new Pakistani volunteer
force of 2 lakhs men is at present under train-
ing in Pakistan occupied Kashmir ; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Government have
information about the training of a volunteer
force in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

(b) All related developments in Pakistan
are taken into consideration while reviewing
our defence plans.

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Revenue Pool Arrangement between Air

India and Malaysia Singapore Airways

3412. SHRI P.K. DEO :

SHRI BHOLA MANJHI :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether there was revenue pool arran-
gement between the Air India and Malaysia
Singapore Airways ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the arrange-
ment ; and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) and (b). air India currently has a reve-
nue pooling arrangement with Malaysia-Singa-
pore Airways This provides that the revenue
in respect of traffic uplifted in India and
discharged at Singapore and vice versa is to
be pooled by the two carriers and shared on
an agreed basis.

Recovery of outstanding Amount of Loan

■ from Refugees from Pakistan

3413. SHRIJ. MATHA GOWDER :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) since how long the sum of Rs. 2.68
crore in case of 2620 loan accounts at the
close of October, 1971 is outstanding from
refugees from Pakistan ;

(b) the pi ocedure adopted for the recovery
of the loans ;

(c) the expenditure being incurred on
the staff of Rehabilitation Finance Adminis-
tration Unit which is now functioning as only
a recovery unit ;

(d) the criteria adopted for compounding
the due by remission in part or in full in
deserving cases ; and

(e) the amount of loan that has so far
been compounded by remission in part or in
full ? '

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) Most of the loans were
given between 1948 to 1951 and a few between
1951 and 1958 by the erstwhile Rehabilitation
Finance Administration.

(b) and (c). The loans were for a period
not exceeding 15 years, ordinarily payable
in 12 annual instalments. In case of defaults,
they are recoverable as arrears of land reve-
nue. Where the full recovery of outstanding
dues is doubtful, cases have been compounded
on payment of a certain lump sum in settle-
ment of the dues. The compounded account
is decided, on the merits of each case after
taking into account the paying capacity of
the borrowers/guarantors mainly on the follw-
ing considerations : —

(i) Where recovery proceedings are likely
to cause avoidable hardship to the
borrowers/guarantors and/or involve
incommensurate time, labour and
expenditure ;

(ii) Where the position of the borrowers/
guarantors has been adversely affected
due to natural calamities and/or other
factors ;

(iii) Where the only source of recovery
is the sale of house property, whether
mortgaged or otherwise, solely used
for purposes of dwelling and such
sale would result in the eviction of

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the borrower cautfag him extreme
distress ;

(iv) In a case, in which the principal sum
has been recovered fend no further re-
covery is possible ffom the borrower,
the guarantor alone is not normally
proceeded against for recovery of
interest.

(d) As on 30th April. 1972, loans aggre-
gating to Rs. 6.24 crores have been compound-
ed for Rs. 3.42 crores by remission in part or
in full.

Air Pollution doe to Supersonic Concorde
Aircraft which landed at Bombay

3414. SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will tbe Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the new supersonic aircraft
had flown over India and landed at Bombay
recently ;

(b) whether the question of air-pollution
and the problems of sound and its repercu-
ssions were taken into account while allowing
Concorde to fly over India ; and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) Yes, Sir. The Concorde landed at
Bombay both on its outward and return trips
to and from the Far East and Australia.

(b) Yes, Sir.

Experiments to Create Artificial Rain

3415. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD
SINGH :

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether experiment to qreate Artifi-
cial rain have been undertaken by Govern-
ment ;

(b) if so, the names of the places. State-
wise ; and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). Experiments in artificial stimu-
lation of rain were carried out, on a rando-
mised basis, during the monsoon seasons of
1957 to 1966 in the following regions

Delhi ...

Delhi State

Agra

Uttar Pradesh

Jaipur

Rajasthan

Munnar

Kerala

cloud seeding experiments are also proposed
to be undertaken soon in the Poona region in
Maharashtra and in the Madras region in
Tamil Nadu.

(c) From the experiments conducted in
the Delhi, Agra, Jaipur and Munnar regions,
it was found that the rainfall over the seeded
areas was higher than that over the unseeded
areas by 20 per cent.

Cloud seeding cannot, however, induce
rain to fall when normally there would be
no rain, though it can increase the amount of
rainfall by the order of 10 to 20 per cent in
situations where rain would have fallen.

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Seminar on Public Undertakings

3417. SHRI R.R. SINGH DEO : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether a seminar on public under-
takings was recently held in New Delhi ;

(b) the various recommendations made
at the Seminar ;

(c) whether it was suggested at the semi-
nar that all Government units should fix
realistic prices of their products ; and

(d) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF F1NINCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) Presumably, the Honoura-
ble Member is referring to the 'Seminar on
Performance of Public Sector’ held in New
Delhi from July 27 to 29, 1972. The Seminar
was organised primarily by a non-govern-
mental body.

(b) and (c). The important matters consi-
dered at the Seminar were :

(1) need for scientific project formula-
tion.

(ii) need for setting up clear financial and
other objectives ;

(iii) adoption of proper performance
budgeting techniques ;

Civ) identification and quantification of
social objectives ;

' (v) problems of “accumulated deficits’* ;
and

(vi) need for realistic pricing policies,

(d) The Seminar was meant for
an exchange of ideas and experien-
ces between the senior public sector
executives with regard to various aspects
affecting the performance of public enter-
prises. The conclusions of the Seminar will
receive due consideration by the authorities
concerned.

Arrests in connection with Seizure of
Court Stamps in Dehradun

3419. SHRI M.M. JOSEPH :

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether any arrests were made on
28th July, 1972 in Dehra Dun on the seizure
of Court Stamps valued at a million rupees
and if so, the number of persons arrested ;

(b) whether any enquiry has been held
in the matter and if so, the outcome thereof ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The information is
being collected and will be laid on the Table
of the Sabha. •>

Procedure for Selection of Personnel for
Public Undertakings

3420. SHRI N.K. SANGHI : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether faulty personnel selection
procedure is one of the major factors responsi-
ble for poor performance of public sector
undertakings ; and

(b) whether a committee has been
appointed to go into the matter and if so, the

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terms of reference of the Committee and when
the findings of the Committee will be avai-
lable ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). It will not be correct
to generalise that personnel selection in public
sector is faulty and as a result is inhibiting
performance in some of the public sector
undertakings. Selection of personnel for lower
echelons of the management in an enterprise
is entirely the responsibility of that enterprise
and even for filling in the posts of top full-
time executives, perference is given to per-
sonnel from within an enterprise who have
knowledge and experience of the enterprise.
However, various aspects of the managerial
personnel policy are being reviewed by Govern-
ment. In this context, proposals relating,
apart from recruitment, to such matters as
Management Organisation, Managerial In-
centives and Management Development Plans
which embrace essential aspects like recruit-
ment points, training programmes, job-rota-
tion, career planning, succession plans, etc.
are being considered. It is expected that
when Government’s final decisions on these
proposals are implemented, a more sound
managetial personnel policy will emerge. No
time limit has been fixed for the finalisation of
these matters by Government and no specific
Committee has been appointed for the
purpose.

Control of Managing Agency on Indust-
rial Houses after Abolition on the
system

3421. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be
pleased to state :

(a) whether even two years aftar the
abolition of managing agency most of the
industrial houses in practice have been conti-
nuing the same centralised control and ma-
nagement in different forms ; and

l&) if so, what action has been taken in
the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY):

(a) and (b). Government is already seized
of soph prectices and the necessary provision
to plug this .loophole has been included in

Clause 15 of the Companies (Amendment)
Bill, 1972. The notes on clauses in respect
of Clause 15 at page 36 of the said Bill explai-
ns the reasons for this proposed amendment,

Loan from World Bank

3422. SHRI FATESINGHRAO GAEK-
WAD : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) the total amount of World Bank loans
received by India so far ;

(b) the amount and percentage of the
loans still unutilised ;

(d) the names of the projects which have
been financed wholly or partly with World Bank
funds and those progress has been found
unsatisfactory 7

THE MINISTER OFJ1NANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAe-'-CttAVAN) : (a) India

has received an amount of $ 1,111.42 million
from the World Bank and $ 1761.25 million
from the International Development Associa-
tion, a soft-lending affiliate of the World
Bank.

(b) The unutilised amount as on 1st
August, 1972 is $ 108.69 million in respect of
loans received from the World Bank and
$ 364.28 million in respect of credits received
from the International Development Associa-
tion. This works out to 9.8% and 32%
respectively.

(c) The utilisation of the loans/credits is
to be in accordance with the phased imple-
mentation of the programmes/projects for
which assistance has been secured.

(d) The progress in regard to some of the
Agricultural Credit Projects and Irrigation
Projects had been somewhat slower than
anticipated but the organisational and pro-
cedural problems connected with their
implementation have now been resolved and
it is expected that the utilisation of the
Credits would be accelerated in the near
future.

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Savings in Foreign Exchange by Oil and
Natural Gas Commission

3423. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas
Commission has saved foreign exchange to the
tune of Rs. 8 crores.

(b) if so, in what manner ; and

(c) whether the Commission has developed
indigenously air tube clutch assembly which
was earlier being imported from U.S.S.R. ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) :

(a) Yes. Sir.

(b) By establishing and procuring indi-
genous substitute of such equipment, instru-
ments and spare parts, as were hitherto being
imported.

Use of Companies’ Fund by Executive
Personnel for Defence in Criminal
Proceedings

3424. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI PILOO MODY :

Will the Minister of COMPANY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Managing Directors and
Managerial Personnel of Companies can use
Companies’ funds for their defence in criminal
proceedings against them ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) :
(a) and (b). Attention is invited to the pro-
visions of Section 201 of the Companies Act,
1956, which deals with this matter.

Delay in Issue of Licence to Pbthalic Anby-

dride— A Down Stream Unit of Indian
Petro Chemicals Limited

3425. SHRI P. GANGADEB :

SHRI FATESINGHRAO
GAEKWAD :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased tQ state ;

(a) whether delay in the issue of licence
to a down stream unit of the Indian Petro-
chemicals Limited, namely Phthalic Anhydride
is likely to put the Corporation to an annual
loss of Rs. 85 lakhs ;

(b) the reason for delay in issuing the
licence ; and

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) ; (a) Due
to non-synchronisation of production of ortho-
xylenes by the Indian Petrochemical Corpora-
tion with increased production of phthalic
Anhydride, the Corporation may have to find
some other use for a part of its production for
some time and/or to export it. The realisa-
tion to the Corporation on these accounts
may be less than what it would otherwise
have been. The exact position in this regard
can be known only after the Corporation has
started production and its volume of produc-
tion and the time-leg between this production
and the production of Phthalic Anhydride etc.
become know.

(b) Four units are likely to utilize the
Ortho-xylene to be produced by IPCL. In the
case of one unit which has already been
granted an industrial licence, an application
for import of capital goods for effecting modi-
fication to the existing plant to consume the
Ortho-xylene of the specification offered by
IPCL is under consideration.

An industrial licence to another party
whose foreign collaboration proposal and CG
application have been cleared by the Govern-
ment, is under issue.

Foreign collaboration proposals from two
parties who have been given letters of intent
are under consideration.

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Misappropriation in the Ration Account of
656 Coy. ASC Brigade

3426. SHRI K. MALL ANNA : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have since comp-
leted the inquiry into the case of misappro-
priation of Rs. 1 lakh discovered in the
Ration Account of 656 Coy. ASC Brigade ;
and

(b) if so f the outcome of inquiry and
the action taken by Government in the
matter ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE )SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). The case

is still pending investigation with the Central
Bureau of investigation. Necessary action
will be taken by the Government after the
receipt of report from them.

Financial Assistance from Foreign Countries

3427. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI :

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) the total amount of foreign aid
received by India from foreign countries
country-wise, during the current year so far ;

(b) how do these figures compare with
those of last three years during the same
period ; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b).
A statement is laid on the Table of the
House.

(c) The Government is consistently
emphas'sing the need to achieve greater self-
reliance by pursuing policies for import substi-

tution and export promotion in order to reduce
our dependence on foreign loans.

Statement

During the current year agreements have
so far been signed with the following
countries, for total assistance of $ 83.47
million ;

Canada $ 46.25 million

Denmark $ 5.70 million

Sweden $ 10.60 million

Netherlands $ 20.92 million

2. Agreements signed with these countries
during the last three years were as follows ;

($ million)

1969-70

1970-71

1971-72

Canada

28.02

27.74

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The most attractive place in India for an
average Foreign Tourist

3428. SHRI PRIYA RANTAN DAS
MUNSI : Will the Minister of TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state
which is the most attractive place in India for
average foreign tourist ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN RINGH) :
This is a question of opinion However, accord-
ing to a sample survey conducted during
November, 1968 to October, 1969 the largest
number of foreign tourists to India (60%)
visited Delhi.

Resettlement of Ex-Army Personnel in
Andaman and Nicobar Islands

3429. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) the progress achieved so far in the
settlement of ex-army personnel in the islands
of Andaman and Nicobar ;

(b) the facilities provided to them is
settling themselves ; and

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(ic) the State-wise composition of these
ex-army settlers ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). Under a

scheme in 1969, 100 ex-servicemen were in-
ducted in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
The pattern of land allotment is as follows :

Officers

25 acres

JCOs

15 „

ORs

In addition, each family was provided with
the following assistance :

(1) Transportation from home town to
the islands at Government expense.

(2) Free ration at approved scale for the

the scale for the 2nd and 3rd years
respectively.

(3) Initial grant of Rs. 2500/- for seeds,
fertilizers and pesticides etc. for one
year.

(4) Grant of Rs. 3,000/- for purchase of
agiicultural equipment, live-stock etc.
Supply of these was made in kind
through Agriculture Department.

(5) Grant upto a muximum of Rs.
2,500/- for purchase of house-hold
equipment, utensils etc,

(6) Grant of Rs. 5,000/- for construction
of houses ; pending such construc-
tion, temporary accommodation was
provided.

Other amenities like internal roads in the
colony, water supply, dispensary and schools
etc. were provided by the Andaman Adminis-

All the settlers were from Punjab,
Custodians of Nationalised Banks

3430. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) the names of the Custodians of the
fourteen nationalised bank ;

(b) how many of them belonged to the
management cadre of the concerned banks
before nationalisation ;

(d) whether any transfers have been made
in their cadre ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) A statement giving the re-

quired information is attached.

(b) Under Section 7(5) of the Banking
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer of
Undertakings) Act, 1970 the person who was
the Chauman of the bank before nationalisa-
tion because automatically its Custodian.
Since nationalisation there have been changes
in the custodianship in nine of the fourteen
nationalised banks and four of the new
Custodians are from within the concerned
banks.

(c) and (d). The management personnel
of the nationalised banks are not transferable
from one bank to another. However, there
is no bar under the Banking Companies
(Acquisition and Transfer of Undertakings)
Act, 1970 to the appointment by Government
of a person belonging to one nationalised
bank as the Custodian of another nationalised
bank or as a managing or whole-time director
under the Scheme framed in accordance with
the Act. Two Custodians appointed after
nationalisation, are on deputation from the
Reserve Bank and the State Bank and two
others were formerly serving in the Reserve
Bank and in the State Bank,

71 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answers 72

; Statement

Names of Present Custodians of Fourteen Nationalised Banks

S. No,

Name of Bank

Name of Custodian

Centra] Bank of India

Shri B. N. Adarkar

Bank of India

Shri J. N, Saxena

Punjab National Bank

Shri P. L. Tandon

Bank of Baroda

Shri V. D. Thakkar

United Commercial Bank

Shri V. R. Desai

Canara Bank

Shri K. P. J. Prabhu

United Bank of India

Shri B. K. Dutt

Dena Bank

Shri R. A. Gulmohamed

Syndicate Bank

Shri K. K. Pai

10.

Union Bank of India

Shri P. F. Gutta

11.

Allahabad Bank

Shri B, K. Mookerjea

12.

Indian Bank

Shri G. Lakshminarayanan

13.

Bank of Maharashtra

Shri C. V. Joag

14.

Indian Overseas Bank

Shri R. N. Chettur

Introduction of Passenger planes for mass
transportation

3431. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the introduction of passenger
planes capable of mass transportation at consi-
derably reduced fares, with slpwer speeds, are
contemplated by Government ; and

(b) whether the measure would be possi-
ble within the existing frame work of aeronau-
tical manufacturing capacity of the country
an-1 expertise in Civil Aviation ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR, KARAN SINGH) :
(a) No such proposal is under consideration.

(b) Does not arise.

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Erection andoperation of welding machine

imported by Indian Airline* from U.K. in
1966 ;

3435. SHRI PILOO M0DY : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to refer to the reply given to
Unstarred Question No. 5355 on the 18th
December, 1970 regarding Welding machine
imported by 1 A.C. and state :

(a) whether the technical data regarding
erection and operation of the Welding Machine
imported from United Kingdom in 1966 and
lying at Santacruz Airport has been received
and if so, when ;

(b) what are the reasons for such delay
in receiving the technical data ;

(b) whether after the question referred to
above was asked in Parliament, the machine
was shifted from the one side of the workshop
to the other and is kept covered with tarpau-
lin and is not being used at all ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) Yes, Sir, at the end of the year 1967.

(b) The data supplied initially was ina-
dequate. Further clarification had (o be
sought from the manufacturers which resulted
in the delay.

* (c) After receipt of the installation and
operational instructions, the machine was
erected in the welding shop located in the
western side of the Tata hangar in February
1968. Unfortunately, the electrical power
cable to this hangar which was laid as far
back as 1946 was found inadequate for the
additional power load required for this
machine.

Later on, when a new cable of higher
capacity was laid for the Electrical Overhaul
Shop on the eastern side of the Tata hangar,
the machine was shifted there in January 1971.
In this area the maximum sanctioned demand
load was of 200 KW for which the rate of
payment was Rs. 11/- per KW per month
irrespective of the actual power consumption.
The Bombay Suburban Electric Supply Com-

pany wanted to Increase this load demand
from 200 to 400 KW if the spot welding
machine was to be permanently connected
with the power mains. This would have meant
an immediate increase of Rs. 2.20Q in the
monthly electric bill and it was felt that for
part-time utilisation of the machine, the
monthly payment of Rs. 2,200/- would be
wasteful.

In the new hanger complex, a demand
load of 645 KW from the high tension supply
has been made. It will be possible to connect
the machine permanently when this load is
made available to Indian Airlines at the new
hanger complex.

(d) The machine in question was not
otherwise shifted from one side of the work-
shop to the other after the question in Parlia-
ment. It is kept covered with a tarpaulin as
a measure of protection.

Assistance in setting up a Fertilizer Plant
in Iraq

3436. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of PETRO-
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to
state ?

(a) whether an Iraqi Oil delegation which
visited India recently asked for assistance in
setting up a fertilizer plant m Iraq ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in
this regard and the extent of assistance
agreed to ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and
(b). The Iraqi delegation which visited India
recently have evinced interest m the setting
up of a fertilizer plant in Iraq in collaboration
with Iadia. There has been some exchange
of thought between the two countries on this
subject. Some further discussions were also
held with the Iraqi delegation which was in
India in the last few days.

Memorandum from Young Chartered
Accountants

3437. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMPANY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

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BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA )

Written Answers 78

(a) whether the Young Chartered Accoun-
tants Forum in a memorandum to the Prime
Minister has demanded the setting up of a
high powered committee to go into the working
of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of
India ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) :

(a) and (b). Information is being collected
and it will be placed on the table of the
House.

Progress made to have more Fertilizer Factories
to meet shortage of Fertilizers

3438. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS be pleased to stale what further
progress has been made to have more Ferti-
lizer Factones in the country to meet the
shortage of fertilizers and to reduce the
imports from other countries ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS (SHRI H R. GOKHALE) : 11 new
projects are currently under implementation
and the capacity of thiec existing units is be-
ing expanded, These together will increase
the capacity for production of nitrogen by
21.55 lakh tonnes. Certain other proposals
for creating additional fertilizer capacity arc
also under consideration. These are in addi-
tion to measures that are being taken on a
continuing basis to optimise production in the
existing units.

Procurement of sub-standard Goods by M.F.S.

Authorities at Jullundur during Indo-Pak
War

3439. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether some sub-standard goods were
procured by M E.S. authorities at Jullundur
during the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971 ;

(b) whether any enquiry in the ' matter
has been made and if so, the outcome thereof ;

' THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a; Yes. Sir.

(b) An enquiry has been instituted and
result is awaited.

(c) Most of the materials, except small
quantities, were issued to units, during the
Indo-Pakistan conflict of December, 1971, to
meet their operational requirements.

Construction of Quarters at Pathankot

3440. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether some residential quarters are
under construction at Pathankot near
Dhangoo Pir ;

(b) if so, whether the quarters are quite
near to the boundary of Airfield of Pathankot ;
and

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

Number of officers in the Joint Cipher Burcnu

drawing less Pay than the Junior Officers

3441. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of officers in the Joint
Cipher Bureau drawing lesser pay than the
officers junior to them in the same grade :
and

(b) the steps taken to protect the pay of
the senior officers and how much time it would
take to remove this anomaly ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers $0

(b) Measures to protect the pay of seniors
and avoid recurrence of iuch anomalies are
already under examination.

Restoration of Land to Cultivators at Babatpur
Airport

3443. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether as a result of re-alignment of
fencing of Babatpur Airport, it was decided in
1969 to restore the surplus land to cultivators ;

(b) if so, whether this has been done ;
and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) The Director General of Civil Avia-
tion had decided that the land near the kut-
cha runway at Babatpur aerodrome (which had
become surplus consequent on the re-alignment
of the operational fencing) should be released
for cultivation.

(b) and (c). The auction proposed to be
held on the 8th August, 1972 for cultivation
rights has been postponed for a few weeks to
enable interested cultivators to form a co-
operative society which could also take part in
the auction.

Flight recorder indigenously developed at
the Aircraft Overhaul Division of
India Airlines

3444. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether a flight recorder has been in-
digenously developed at the Aircraft Overhaul
Division of the Indian Airlines ;

(b) whether it has been completely tested
and found upto the mark ;

(d) whether every passenger plane of
Air-India and Indian Airlines will be fitted
with this equipment ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) No, Sir, The flight data recorder is an
imported equipment but its installation on
F-27 aircraft has been designed by Indian
Airlines.

(b) The installation of F-27 aircraft has
been successfully completed, tested and appro-
ved by the Director General of Civil Aviation.

(d) All Boeing 737s and Caravelles of
Indian Airlines are already fitted with flight
data recorders. They are also being fitted
progressively on HS-748 and F-27 aircraft.

Evasion of Taxes by Big Business Houses

3445. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA ;
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether it has come to the notice of
Government that evasion of taxes to the tune
of crores is being perpetrated by Big Business
Houses ; and

(b) if so, what steps Government propose
to take to stop this ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The problem of
tax evasion and the methods to combat it have
been examined by the Wanchoo Committee
and the report submitted by it has been laid on
the Table of the House. Some of the recom-
mendations have already been incorpofated in
the Finance Act, 1972 and other recommenda-
tions are under consideration.

Discontinuation of Annuity Deposit and
Fixed Deposit Schemes

3446. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE

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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SARA)

Written Answers 82

(a) whether the schemes of Fixed De-
posits and the 15-year Annuity Certificates
have been discontinued as they were no longer
popular with the public ;

(b) if so, whether any study has been
made to analyse the causes of their being un-
popular ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. De-
posits under the scheme of Fixed Deposits are
not accepted with effect from the close of the
business on the 31st July, 1971. The sale of
15-year Annuity Certificates was discontinued
from the 1st September, 1971.

(b) and (c). Before the decision to dis-
continue the above mentioned two schemes
was taken, a review was made in consultation
with the Reserve Bank of India and the matter
was also considered at the meeting of the
National Savings Central Advisory Board.
The 5-year Fixed Deposits Scheme had not
attracted much money and the collections
were showing decreasing trend possib'y due
to the introduction of the 5-year Post Office
Time Deposits with effect from 16 3 70, with
higher rate of interest of 7-J% par annum (tax-
able). It was, therefore, decided to discontinue
the Fixed Deposits Scheme The 15-year Annu-
ity Certificates had lost their popularity because
of the availability of vaiious other savings
certificates with higher late of return and also
because the commercial banks were offering
higher rates of interest on investment. The
payments by Government under this scheme
had been more than the investments during
the last few years. It was, therefore, decided
to discontinue the scheme with effect from the
1st September, 1971.

Delay in Execution of Public Sector Projects

3447. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a number of feasibility re-
ports on the industrial and other projects
were scrutinised in compliance with the direc-
tive of the Prime Minister and the causes of
dealy in the execution of public sector
projects were analysed by Government ; and

(b) if so, the main causes responsible
for the dealy in the execution of public sector
projects ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
.MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R,
GANESH) : (a) In compliance with the
directive of the Prime Minister the causes of
delay in executing public sector projects and
the consequent shortfalls in budget provisions
were studied in the Ministry of Finance.

(b) Important causes responsible for a
delay in public projects were found to be :

(i) Shortage of material like steel ;

(li) Late delivery of indigenous equip-
ment ;

(iii) Slow progress scarce of civil works ;

(vi) Labour troubles ;

(v) Procedural delay in procurement of
indigenous equipment through DGS
& D, m finalisation of consultancy
agreements and in procurement of
equipment involving Foreign Ex-
change.

(vi) Delay in the preparation of detailed
project reports after the investment
decision is taken.

Setting up of Credit Guarantee Corpora-
tion of India

3448. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have set up
Credit Guarantee Corporation of India Limited
to provide credit facilities within certain spe-
cified limits and the Corporation has started
three new schemes ;

(b) whether under the scheme, entitled the
Crepit Guarantee Corporation of India (Service
Cooperative Societies) Guarantee Scheme, 1971,
only the State or Central Corporation bran-
ches in Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh
and Mahrashtra and Union Territories of
Goa, Daman and Diu are eligible to joiq this
scheme ;

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 84

(d) whether Government propose to per-
suade the remaining Governments to extend
the coverage of the Deposit Insurance Act to
their territories ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINACE (SHRIMATI SHU-
SHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. In con-

sultation with the Government, the Reserve
Bank has promoted an institution called the
Credit Guarantee Corporation of India Limi-
ted to afford a measure of protection to banks
and other financial institutions against risks,
if any, in meeting the credit needs of the
smaller borrowers in the priority and hitherto
neglected sectors. The Corporation was regis-
tered under the Companies Act 1956 on 14th
January, 1971 and was granted the certificate
of commencement of business on 29th January,
1971. During the first year of its operation,
the Corporation introduced three separate gua-
rantee schemes.

(b) Yes, Sir Under the Scheme entit-
led ‘'Credit Guarantee Corporation of India
(Service Co-operative Societies) Guarantee
Scheme 1971”, besides all the schedule com-
merical banks in the country, other credit
institutions eligible to participate in the
Scheme are the State and Central co-operative
banks of those States which have adopted
the Deposit Insurance Act, 1961.
Currently, it is only the States of
Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Maharshtra
and the Union Territory of Goa, Daman and
Diu which have adopted Deposit Insurance
Corporation Act, 1961.

(c) Other States would become eligible
to participate in the Credit Guarantee Cor-
poration of India (Service Cooperative Socie-
tiee) Guarantee Scheme 1971 as soon as they
adopt the Deposit Insurance Corporation Act,
1961 be suitable enactment by the State Legis-
latures.

(d) In terms of provision of Deposit
Insurance Corporation Act 1961, the deposit
insurance coyer can be extended to co-opera-
tive banks of only those States which carry
out certain amendments to their existing co-
operative legislations. This question is under
consideration of the various States.

Mahila Pradhan Kshetriya Bachat Yojna

3449. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA-
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) wheher Government have launched
the “Mahila Pradhan Kshetriya Bachat
Yojna” ;

(b) whether according to the scheme,
organisations and individual women workers
will be paid commission on the collection
secured through them ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) and (b). Yes,

Sir.

(c) The amount of commission payable
is 2.25% of the collections secured and depo-
sited in post offices from time to time.

Theft of belonging of victims of Japan Airlines
Plane crashed near Delhi

3450. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE :

SHRI P. K. DEO :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the theft of belongings of the
victims cf Japan Airlines Plane crashed near
Delhi in June, 1972 ;

(b) whether Government have apprehen-
ded the culprits ;

(d) if so, the action taken against them ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION : (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) Government have seen some pres9 reports
in this connection, but enquiries have not subs-
tantiated them.

(b) to (d). Do not arise.

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JRfSTT TO^T if PRT t 3ft T TOTOR: 3% STT'ft

ftreiftsfr qft arfcR toj ^r % feq ?nft
ffTR eTRT TO TOR V T%»TT I f TO % 3 T*Vt
TOTOft £<3 % TO^Kt % qRTOfTOt 3\
itFr^T TTOTT TOFPt itTO TOaf, %TOT 3Tlf %
fafaTO 'T^rrjf <rt aRTOfrof afrt «nM

% 4t^ fgTO^fr^r TORfleft faR-fa«T
eTRlf TO arTETlfTer Tgeft | I 3TgT eW TTTO
TRTOT % TOTTOfTOlf TO TT5R |, '3'T^ft
qf^rs-TOf to pro ark trt ?r TTRfi*R
PTTO TRTO^f TO fTOTO I I

*«T st^t % |t^R5t: tor % fstr

TOfoff fit TTt^ftrfTeT Sfif TRT
feRT «THf

3452. sft TOTRTOT fftfim TOT fTOT
Jftft ^ TOT^ fftfRT TO*t ftr :

(f?) TOT TTsftafff Wf STTTT RTO
Jfar % ^T$TOS* TOT % f€tT fPt

1894 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 86

*R TOR TO TO ?ft?T 3 ff if ^ fTOT TOT;

afk

(w) 3k gt, efr fer^r ^»r Ttot w

sftT TOT5T ^?t eR TOT ^ ?

ffrT TOTTO Jf TO TO*t («ftTOt fSftTO
Tt^TOt) : TftTO TO? Tpif^eT

^t to T|t | sfh; to X3( ti

TOTOt | 4

TOTOttf if B^TOTt BftfTOt

3453 ■sft TOT?TTOTTtfTOT : TOT fTOT
TOTt 3% 5TTO^ spt f?T fRit % :

(^) iteit 5t%to ir 3z stto sforor
% srsftJT fTOT^ft TT^TOft TTfafTOT "PR f!T
Tft |; afa

(l) TO Rrftrf^q'f TO TOTOf^ fiFTOt
TTfST TO W3 fTOT TOT ?

farf TOTTTOT if TORSft («ftTOft gTiftflT

Tt^rnt) : (fr) 3 tVr ( 13 ). HtR SR9T if

&Z tc TO'P #TOT 3 a^'P Tl aftR TO=f,
1972 % 3RT eTTO, X3* 1971-72 % <?RR
81 srr«TfJT3T trfir ^ 24.78

wr^ pq^ eTP fapr stotot qit 1

TOCTTO^TO ir TnsjtlTfeT i^Tf 3\X1
*nj ^'q

3454. «fif TOTRTOT ptfacT : tot f^fT
*f^t 3% TOT^ qft 1RT q:TO fo :

(to) Per qqr to ir itrst^ if trjW-

fer t'qff % fTOeT^TT 3C3 fTOT; 3flT

(m) TOftq, qfp^q pt«tt ffq qrRf %

feq, «T0ff5TR ffTTOT 3U3 fTOT TOT ?

fTOT TOTRR if ^TTOft (sftTOft f»ft«T
Tt^nft) : (f?) 31 3V3, 1972 TOt TOq

87 Written Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 88

Sfa7 % TTSeftafTT #'%)?

T7ftl 58-48 3prt? T<7% *6 1

5TT377 37fi737

(«r) 5T3W: WFfar hot %sr57
aftfercr $7>f %t far irt farfa

37T3RT 1 1 377*7 1971 % 3rfiTT3T

5PF f^arfer w 57 *r| :

1. ffa (*Rt? Wf 37)

(*p) 5753737 fs75T

4.55

(®) 37575TO 6757

2 00

2. q37T^ % 3^*7

6.96

3. 57?T TfT3r|3T

2.41

3ftf

15.82

nwi sc^r % ygwy spit tosh
%?* ir Sr wrfw *pt% mn

3455- «ft *nn wsr

aftr *n*rc ^ tw

spT?t f% :

(ip) SflJT *7137 ST^r % SRfRJ?

%5 5fi f% q* jtt^jt w £ sfa f^ra^r

3TRTf^ »ft t, 737271 %*?7 %t 7T7T
% Alfa® ^ ^ 371*7 Tt 77t |; afk

(s) 37fc ?t, 57> <TT TR^TT %t

wi srfefw | ?

<nfesr 3ftr srnn: frim 375 ft (r»

Vffilf) : (*P) TOCT f77TT7 7 ?57 STfTT

77 $37737 7I C 7 1 377 RtfYcT ^71 I

(77) STTO ?T$i 33577 I

gwrofrff 3 anmT firafoq 3T3*«ft
S wHrih

3456. *i*7WT«r Ttftrn : 7377 6m

ami tpc *nft uPrtftr wroi % 7^

*7 11 3777777, 1972% 37crTTfPp?r STIR 37W7
1834 % sttt % TT^nr 5r 175 37577% %t f77
^R% f% *7E3T 57%57 Jr 377377iT % f«RRnft»T
in*7«7lf % $57 fatfift 77 % Bfcpfar «ft ?

farf 375T7H37 Jf T7737 ifcft (sft %o 377To
OTT57) : J7S37IT^57 % TR3T57 % 1 srsjsi
1972 %t sFT-f?rafT^r % f%q 1,33,574
37137% f^RlHm «f I 37*5777557 37T37*FT

73737 s 7R-fa*rfT'J7 % yfr % 377 ?
371 ^ 577 TT^rft I I

Loss suffered by Indian Airlines
during 1971-72

3457. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY:

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Indian Airlines has suffered
a loss during 1971-72 :

(b) if so, the extent thereof and the reasons
theiefor : and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR KARAN SINGH) :
(a) Yc$, Sir.

(b) Approximately Rs. 4.55 crores. The
main reasons for this loss were ;

( i ) Disruption of air services on account
of Pakistani aggression.

(ii) Increase in the price of fuel and
other operational costs.

(iii) Substantial increase in the wage bill
following wage settlements.

(iv) Additional expenditure on account
of circuitous flights to avoid Pakistani
territory and stoppage of flights to
Kabul.

89 [Written Answers

BHADltA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 90

(iv) Increase in insurance rates to cover
hijacking and war risks.

(c) Efforte. are being made to increase the
utilisation of aircrafts, promote traffic and
reduce expenditure by effecting economy where
possible.

Proposal to set up a Nylon Textile Factory
in the Pubiic Sector in Assam

3458, SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have any propo-
sal to set up a Nylon Textile factory in the
Public Sector jn Assam ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) and

(b). A letter of intent was issued to the
Assam Industrial Development Corporation
on 29th Decembei 1971 for setting up a new
industrial undertaking in the State of Assam
for manufacture of 2100 tonnes per annum
of Nylon Filament Yarn. The capital cost
for a project of this size is estimated to be
of the order of Rs. 7 crores. Capital goods
for the project would be of the value of about
Rs. 6.25 crores, of which imported capital
goods might constitute approximately 60%.
These are only preliminary figures and details
will be available when the party makes the
capital goods application. Foreign collabora-
tion is envisaged for this project. The
Corporation will be holding a minimum
equity share holding of 26% in the
company implementing this project, and they
will be the single largest share-holder,

Amount Mobilised by Unit Trust of India

3459. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether in its eight years of existence
the Unit Trust of India has been able to mobi-
lise only a sum of Rs. 100 crores ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor 1

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) During the first eight years

of the Trust’s operations ended the 30th June
1972, sales of units amounted to about Rs. 119
crores. Allowing for the repurchases (i.e.
units sold back to the Trust), the net sale of
units as on the 30th June 1972 amounted to
about Rs. 105 crores.

(b) The Trust was established in 1964 with
the primary objective of mobilising the saving
of the small and medium income groups by
providing them with an opportunity of
investment in sound equities with minium risk
and reasonable return. The units of the
U.T.I. are only one of the many avenues
open to the public for investing their savings.
The unique position of 'units* by virtue of
exclusive tax concession on income upto
Rs. 1000 derived by unit-holders from invest-
ment in units in the initial years was no
longer available after the 1st April 1971 when
the tax concession was extended to income
from other investments also such as deposits
with banks, shares of Indian Companies,
National Savings Certificates and other speci-
fied investments. Raising of bank rates in
January, 1971 and attractive rates offered by
the National Savings Certificates in March
1970 also decrease the attraction for units.
The sale of units was also affected due to
economic stresses suffered by recession in
certain industries during 1065-67, drought in
various parts of the country for two conse-
cutive years and two wars with Pakistan.

Expenditure on Rations and Games of Pak
P.O.Ws

3460. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the cost of rations for* the Pakistani
Prisoners of War till June, 1972 : and

(b) the cost of equipment for games
supplied to the Prisoners of War ?

91 Written Answers .

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 92

THE MINISTER 0£ DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Rs 1,02,05,000 upto
30,6.1972.

(b) Rs. 28,000 on amenities which includes
cost of equipment for games, upto 30.6.1972.

The expenditure at (a) and (b) above
includes cost of rations and aminities provided
both to military personnel and the civilians.

Permission to Pakistani Prisoners of War
to tune into Radio Pakistan

3461, KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state whether Pakistani Prisoners of War are
permitied to tune into Radio Pakistan, where-
as the Indian Prisoners of War in Pakistan
are not getting such facilities and if so.
Government’s reaction thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : The Pekistani Prisoners
of War in India are permitted to listen to
news bulletin of the Radio Pakistan. The
International Committee of Red Cross have
not yet confirmed that facilities to listen to
All india Radio are available to Indian
prisoners in Pakistan. The matter has been
taken up with the International Committee of
Red Cross.

Pocket Allowance to Pak P.O.Ws

3462. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI :
SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Pakistani Prisoners of
War are receiving pocket allowance regularly ;
and

(b) if so, the total expenditure incurred
on the Prisoners of War as pocket allowance
up to June, 1972 7

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir,

(b) An expenditure of Rs. 67,29,000/- has
been incurred up to 30.6.72 on allowance

given to military personnel and civilians
in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

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# S'TTT OT TOW

3463. feWfOTT 5TO# : SRTT

#T if# iff 3ETT?t # ?qr

qR% fq> :

(q?) q*rr mm

3cqr<ff # q# # H |tr
mm ssft# w# vrsm Jr ssr^t
STctf fWR I; #T

(sr) oft ff, # swr t sqfrr qerr

#T totw ifaTOTI Jr sq-
(#TO#Tf«5) : (qr) aftT (m).
% 3T5T % ir JJg fTO*

WT | f* if $J1RT % Jtfairr

^q#iT # ssr Jr gq qr Grtt

fq^r ^rrq i qmR ^q ir, ^ f irt #

WqTT qR fa^R qRrf sm, ^qR #
3TR7qqrdrr# qri qqr efeqrjq

amniT srrar | q?f if, ottctt qrr
fanr itft % sifww srt

f^RTT STTrTT | I

# to#

3464. # fw JOTT 5W# :

# *wi# qsmw :

wr TOT if# 5RTI^ # fftT qi^
fq> :

(qr) qqr feroOT wsflft % amnfa
frrr# # to# % sito qR

(qr) qft |t, # qm $ ?

93 Written Answers

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SARA)

Written Arswers 94

wrufaft nwftv r rm) : (n)

ark (n) fanm sntflA nt, % wfw

srwafi VUrffew qRA % fk A *TRcffe

qrfa^rrR't 3 rt sreireff % srfafafaiff %
«ftn ar^fr fanR fw«ff arift 1 1

t*T An*T iftw SWT Wan %nff
% % f?i^

3465. n't fan jnR 5ITC«rt :

*ft %0 H T «K T» :

WT Wan 3lh HFR fenTW Asft *T|

«rjtA qA fir ^rA fa :

(4?) wtstritrA An A tftnn
srsrrn qrAaq %?srf ffaT*r *rA % fan
T^f spiifan ?>TRT |;

(n) qfe |t, at fan-fa^ WRff 'R;
(q) WTOT spT fenR few A

arm^ *jrA % fan afat^t Ant A n*

arm? an AnA ^T |; 3fk

(n) qfe ?r, eft *n ?

nian 3fk nPR fwm Ant (5l0
nn fa|) : (n) An Anar afar wan%
fe^Tn 4?t ^fa«TT ST^TR *rA % fan, < RZ'T
fenR A =^A |n OTPff 5PTT n«T

afar nrn-WRf arife 4?r n|rwr at | ark
A T|r 1 1

(w) ^ %?af A ^rt ttitwt it
nf | arnaT fen nrA 5T fanR |, ffanfafaa
nffafaa f :—

1. qnafknr m ^far n^n-wm
(amnn) i

2 . apR|T TT^far Tfa (nsn aAn)

3. TRAa TT«£ttr qfa (ann srAn)

4. f<R n?n aftn 8R«rc«rff (gaRra)

5. AfenR aw 3fam«rc*nn (%rn)

6. IRcT^T a« T afar 8RaiRTFT
(Traremn)

7. arfknT aw afar 3Rn*nw
(TTarenH)

8. garonf aw afar nrnRnn (afan

9. aretyr awnta n^ata (nnr)

10 aft At aW after SRUTRIPT (Agr)

1 1: ^R'TTSST lAt ?Rn*«TTn (*T|Rn^)

12. nn skar ant nwaTn (garon)

13. ^fanr aw after nwnrn

(|fTJTTOIT)

14. aj?^TTTfi aw after *Rnsnrn
(qfaw sfqrw)

15. ^ift^Tfaw^ qjjp,

(srttr a^ar)

(q) art, ^|t I

(sr) sraq smt i

n«R Tfertn % fan srit fwx Aar
nfa nfa # ftnrr BR*fe% %

*k A famr

3466. «ft fan fUTT 5IR3ft : qqr
wan afk tot farn n n nnt €r

fqr qk'A fa wt ttt^r A fa<nn fani
|, fa arn cR) n^R ?fewT qA ^fat mn
nfr |AA nwi w tw nA ernr Aar nf?r nfa
femin nft n^tA annA ?

wan aftr nin? femw nsft (aro vn
fa|) : aft, n|t 1 q*R ?fesnr «Ft

95 Written Answers

AUGUST 2 , 5 , 1972

Written Answers 96

afaaTafa % ?kra atf afk faara RfteJt
tft ftf jft 3 TTTt( a$T | |

Will JfT ftftfltjf % iJWMI % fel{ ?f

3467. aft TOlf sara : WT f*R
*f^rY a? aatf ^ far spT»r fa :

(a) aaT *RaR ^ ak saTaa
af^ar ai tr a't | faa% sraraa ama
frewy aar a?atv, sp'Or a'y akt, fatav
gsrr ar aaa aJr arfaa ?r«rr pr faafay
smm a^ arJr safeaaf a> afT aa fair
rf a%; ak

(r) afa |t, ay aaar afKr aar | ?

fjm RRIHa Jr TRq *T 3 fy («ft %o
3TRo aR5T) : (a) S(k (a). fafa
arakr a qa fr^fr mar^a affar aaR akr
tPT gsna fan |, fanir nat niarfaa aar
arrfaa amisff % aaa Jr qa ft an?
sama sqa^m faf?a f\ i am nfafa a at
ar 3rraaa riant strir'i % ait a nsa
araar^y aa% % feq f® gsrra fan 1 1
a na gat a, fafa Rink at a^a fnarkat
% ara, FanJr aa arcana ark aaaa-saiaia
r% araamf % faq -faaRa aa aa ay
saaaar ak ay fnarkn at Rifaa |,
ant faaiamya f 1

»fa5RT am faam araf qa afaawT ®aa

3468 . at mranr srwa :

«ft qa« qao gaar :

aar a an ant a? aaia ay far aa?r
fa na an % akrn fa asr-saa ar faa?t
srfaaa arc nkraT aar faara ara aa rr
faar aar ?

aar riama (a«T arcran) Jr am
n?*t («rt faarr aaa pw) : 1971-72
% akin fw a^T saa ai anna 15 srfcrera

a«TT srgaaia qa faara araf aa 9 s # Ppai
aar i

aw atsT Ji aa mar amt ri arfrin
at arm am safaraf %

■TOT «WTOT 3 UTOT

3469.' aft aasns aara : aar fan
ant a? aart ay far aa*y fa :

(a) asa sraa Jr ryJr faa^ saf^p |
faa^ft ara ?a aa aaa % afaa | ak
faa% araaa aamr ak

(r) aaa aaTaT faa arfyar ^ | ak
aaay aa^y % feq aaan srt aar aaa-
ar^y al ar x$ | ?

fafr amma Jf arra amt (sfy %o
mao aa5r) : (a) ark (r). asa ata
% a? faafftfaaf % art a aaar
qafaa a^y Rr r^y I faraaV aia faRtaaa
1971-92 % akra gt faq irqr arfara aT
faaT^a'r % mara 1 0 vm no a Rfaa
sfy ark faaay aia 31 ara 1972 aT ara
ar ay aarar ay i at? aaar aarmaa
afysr aar-qsR <r m al arqay i

asa star Ji amfaat

3480. sfy mrarnr aam : aaT amay
ara aayaf aar^ at far ata fa asa Ja
Jr fa aaa ara ar x$t faaat arqfaaf
amat arfafaaa a arata aatfa | ak
Ra% fm faat aata aarra rt t|| ?

amat ara am> («fy f^aw tiat) :

31-3-1972 aa, aca akr Jr.fgRrfjRT
atfaa qa a»q?ft Rfafaaa % aartfa aat-
fa 414 arqfaar arka «ff i aa% aftaft-
faa araaarq, fRaJr a? amfaat gw aq
Jr rrr «fy i a? «r : ( l ) f fa am akrfma
araaaiq— 13 awfaat (2) rPtr aar

9f Written Answers BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

— 12 (3) fanrqq tfa PwT«i-^mr
qyfr anfa— 70 (4) fqqiqq qi
faqfa-qr^ qq qqr?qt arrfa— 78 (5) faqr-
qrr tnf fask-nf n$ ar?q nq^ siffm

— 45 (6) fcqk ifa nqilfafliq— 17
(7)simm (®TFTR rfa fan)— 120(8)
qnrc ^ nq$n— 38(9) HTgqrfan
tr# sqrqrfqn %qii— 3 tfa (10) eqfafqn
iTq 3Tf!T Jrqiq-18 |

faisif ?f sen

3471 «ft ffPS n?q tosts : wt fan

qsft q^ ^crr% n> frqr nii fa :

(n) *TRn nf sjq% fanrq minif
% fa(T faitff & 3T5T qn fW faffif Tlf^T m
mi STM |3TT

(n) STOTT % fan 3$ 1969-70,
1970-71 cT«rr 1971-72 n ifnq facr qq
^uff qr qqn-qqn sqm % nq q faqqf
TrfaarcTnf; affa

(q) arq nn fa(T ^off qT sfa-sqfar
sqrs nf Tiftr faqqf fttff | ?

fan qqjff (nf ««iVa<iq , «*«^l' J i ) :
(n) 30 nq, 1972 nn «tttct nrnR i
$55 10,698 nil? Wf (afafa pqTSTffa
srq-nqkf nt «(ft) % ^"i sra fa^ |,
fsrcrSr if 9290.98 nit? qqi nf qns qq-
qfq q?f sir *[nf 1 1

(n) mrq qrnR sttt «*tt3t % nq
if 1969-70 Jr 155.26 nit?, 1970-71 if
162.66 nif?i 1971-72 if 177.13 nTt?
pqqr s?t faqr qqr i

(q) anrnnfa^ qi ^u*ft % n^Fs
jf qfTiTST *TWT< ffRT 1972-73 if iq sqm
nt qfa-sqfar Tlfa 3.32 qqir is<ft t I

t*x sin Jr xvsfnm isif nt mmi

3472. nt jmr n*? <mn : wt fan
snrt q? qnfa qff fqT nii fa :

(n) ?n qqq ?nq sin % fafon
fanf *f Trs?tqf?r inf qff jn faspff
srrafa f ; affa

(n) 1972-73 % farffq si Jr nwr
if f n fanit urrami fanrqjq aftr nf?5f
nrqif ?

fan snrroq Jr gq-ns?ff(nfa«f gsfan
T^qqf) ; (n) srfa (n). arifarrqnqr
qqi-qsw qr qir faqr®r Jr if si 1 1
[qqm Jr wr qqr i ifaq qqqi LT —

3503/72]

SR5I % aifajT RST 5HT?TST*

fanf Jr qrsifqfn inf nt nrani

3473. «r> fn»r n?q nsqnr -. qqr fan

qqf q^ qqri nf frqr nii fa :

(n) qqi sin Jf emr
^nr^rqrq fqnf Jf TT«ffqfq inf nf fn
faerif mnnt nri nr q^f |; sffr

(n) qr^qfq inf siqr fan si
1971-72 % qftrq ®fi famif nf wt n^
qnfqf % fanm % fn^ fanif nfa %
fan q^ | ?

fan *faTP(q Jf nqjqnf (nfatffgntai
Tf^qif) : (n) 30 ^q, 1977 nt affajr
affq ^nt^iqiq fanf Jf mi nq q| qqnrd
nn ir inf, fani TT^fqfrq in »fi nrfan
% mqfaqf nf imr ?n smr «ff :—

pi? in qnsffqfrq inf affr
3>Tn 5 f<Rqr % n rcfe q smrtf nn
% qrrqfaq % in

nfqjq 7 5 12

snrfiqR 20 22 42

99 Written Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 100

(w) «*OT*ft*T

art T# t aftT IT ^ anqftt I

fcWf ftirmfa % f«tj snjft*

3474. *ft pi* VT TfOTTO : *77 TOT

*Wft 0? 7RTTft «lft ?TT *Tft f* :

(v) wt f® ftsfi ft amft ^raff %
fftq ottst ®r«nT % OTTtfta msft *ft
TRft arrays font; 3 fix

(*) irfft ?f, ?ft fRSFsraft sifar *rr
| TOT TT ®T*K aft *rr srfafw I ?

Tan ftsft (aft ®m«ftw tth) : (*)

aft ?t, aftor i

(®) urea amr aft ^ aftfa | fo t?
n*ft fft«r ftaft % sr% *ramf«rT sr?nr* ^ i
fftftvrf jRT ?ft fail »rft argftsr 3 T«t^t ^
tot sftrlr aft ^fw % *n*rft ft aft ^ ^Ttaif
sra? ^ aft ot *pRft (

Talks with U.S.S.R. on Refinery Equipments

3475. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF :

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether any talks were held with

U.SJS.R. on refinery equipment in July 1972 ;
and •

(b) if so, the outcome thereof and the
progress achieved in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOK1IALE) : (a) and
(b). A team of experts from the Indian Oil
Corporation and Engineers India Limited
visited the U.S.S.R. in July 1972 in this
connection. It is not in the public interest to
disclose the details.

Setting op of an independent and impartial

Machinery to investigate Aircraft Accident

3476. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether no independent and impartial
machinery has been evolved in India to
investigate aircraft accident ; and

(b) if so. the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). The present arrangements for
aircraft accident investigation have worked
satisfactorily. However, the question of taking
the accident investigation branch out of the
Director General of Civil Aviation is being
examined.

Assistance from World Bank for Rural and

Urban Water Supply Schemes in U.P.

3477. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the U. P. Government have
sought assistance from World Bank for rural
and urban water supply schemes in the
State ;

(b) if so. the nature and extent of assis-
tance sought ; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b).

The Government of U.P. have prepared a
Master Plan for providing rural water supply
in a few districts of U.P. and a Master Plan
for water supply and sewerage in KAVAL
towns and suggested that Government of India
might seek financial assistance from the World
Bank for the implementation of these projects.
These proposals are under the consideration
of the Government of India.

Shortage of Personnel in Nationalised
Banks

3478. DJI. RANEN SEN: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

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(a) whether there is a shortage of trai-
ned personnel in the nationalised sector of the
banking industry ;

(b) whether this is hampering the expan-
sion of bank branches in rural areas ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) This is acting as a constraint to
some extent.

(c) Various nationalised banks have
stepped up their recruitment programme and
are redesigning their training activities.

Anniversary Celebrations of Nationa-
lised Banks

3479. SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the 14 Nationalised Banks
observed the 3rd Anniversary of the take-over
from July 19 to 25. 1972 ;

(b) whether anniversary celebration by
the Bank of Baroda took the form of new
emphasis on traditionally "Neglected-sector*
and if so, the nature thereof ; and

(c) whether the Nationalised Banks in
Delhi propose to start 'Multi-service agency*
to identify and help self employed persons
of modest means, if so, in what way ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Bank of Baroda observed the 3rd
Anniversary week of bank nationalisation
with an emphasis on canalising credit towards
weaker sections of the society i.e . self-employ-
ed people of modest means in urban areas
and small and marginal farmers in rural
areas. Accordingly all the branches of the

bank were to process atleast 5 proposals for
advance to retail traders, small artisans, self-
employed persons and others in the neglected
sectors for making disbursements on the 19th
July, 1962 or during the anniversary week.
In terms of the intensive area approach for
loans to farmers, 980 villages had already been
identified by the bank's various branches.
As part of the celebration of the anniversary
of bank nationalisation, the respective bran-
ches were asked to process atleast two or three
proposals for advances at these centres , for
making disbursements on 19th July or during
the week.

(c) While there is no general decision by
the nationalised banks in Delhi to start a
single unified “Multi-service Agency”, serving
all the banks, the Bank of India has set up
such an agency called “Bank of India Naye
Entrepreneurship Development Scheme”
(B1NEDS) with a view to fostering the growth
of entrepreneurship particulary in the small*
scale sector and to secure/provide the backage
of assistance to young entrepreneurs, particu-
larly the techno-entrepreneurs etc. The State*
Bank of India has also started Consultancy^
Bureau in collaboration with the Federatioor
of Associations of Small-Scale Industries at;
New Delhi recently. This Consultancy Bureau
has been speciffcally designed to serve the
needs of young entrepreneurs interested to set
up small-scale units.

Scheme for Direct Injection of Liquid
Ammonia into the Soil by F.C.I.

3480. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Fertilizer Corporation
of India has finalised a package scheme for
direct injection of liquid ammonia into the
soil ; and #

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE
AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and ib). FCI
have prepared a pilot scheme for direct iqjec-
tion of anhydrous ammonia into the soil. The
Corporation proposes to implement the schemis
in the farms situated within the boundary
walls of its units where all facilities with
regard to handling and storage of anhydrous
ammonia are available. The trials would

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tfrhttit, Sugarcane and paddy.

Delay in the Commissioning of the Tata
Fertilizer Project at Mithapur

3481. SHR1 P. M. MEHTA :

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKOD-
KAR :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state ;

(a) whether the commissioning of Tata
Fertilizer Project at Mithapur is likely to be
delayed further ; and

(b) if 80 , the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHR! H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b)
M/s Tata Chemicals Ltd., were given a letter
of intent on 25.7.1972 for setting up a fertilizer
plant at Mithapur. The period of validity
dow stands extended upto 20th November,
1972. Detailed financing proposals and other
particulars, as stepulated in the letter of intent,
ire being awaited from the company. It is,
therefore, not possible to say at this stage as to
when the project is expected to go into pro-
duction.

Indigenous Manufacture of Standard Gun

3482. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFENCE
be pleased to state the efforts being made to
design and manufacture indigenously a standard
gun for our war-ships ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : A standard *gun for
Our war-ships has not yet been developed
indigenously as it would not be cost-effective.

Self-Sufficiency in Leander Class of Frigates

3483. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFENCE
be pleased to state the time by which India
WiU be able to attain self-sufficiency at the
prese n t rate of production of frigates of Lean-
det class 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHU-
KLA) : The Indian Navy has placed orders for
six Leander Class Frigates on M/s Mazagon
Dock Limited which are under construction.
Of these one has already been delivered and
commissioned and another three are under
various stages of construction. All further
requirements of the Navy for this type of ships
would also be met by M/s Mazagon Dock
Limited.

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Fire in Ordnance Factory, Shahjahanpur
(Uttar Pradesh)

3485. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether there was a fire in the Ord-
nance Factory, Shahjahanpur (Uttar Pradesh)
last year in which a few persons were injured
and heavy loss was caused ; and

(b) whether a proper enquiry was made
into the incident and if so, the outcome
thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) During 1971, a fire occurred

in the Cotton Teasing Shop of the Clothing
Factory Shahjahanpur on 28.52 72. There were
no injuries to any person and the loss was
assessed at Rs 1260.76.

(b) Yes, Sir. The enquiry revealed that
the fire was accidental and remedial measures
suggested by the Board of Enquiry have since
been implemented.

Below-Standard Garments made for Defence

Services in the Shahjahanpur Ordnance
Clothing Factory

3486. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the garments made for the
Defence Services in the Shahjahanpur Ordinan-
ce Clothing Factory are not up to the required
standard and they are accepted under conces-
sion ;

(b) if so, the number of such concessions
granted from January 1971 to December, 1971;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHU-
KLA) : (a) to (c). Information is being collec-
ted and will be placed on the Table of the
House.

Tailors of Shahjahanpur Ordnance Clothing

Factory making Civilian Garments
for Trade

3487. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD:
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the best tailors and crafts-
men of the Shahjahanpur Ordinance Clothing
Factory are employed in making civilian
garments are trade and those who are not up
to such standard are making garments for the
Defence Personnel ; and

(b) if so, the reasons for not deploying
the best craftsmen for manufacturing garments
for Defence Services ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). No, Sir. Tailors

employed for production of civilian garments
for trade as well as for making garments for
the Defence personnel depending on the skill
required for the specific jobs.

Scheme for Development of Road Tourism
in Mysore State

3488. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the Minister of TOURISM
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have formulated
any scheme for the development of road tour-
ism for Mysore State ; and

(b) if so, a gist thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH):
(a) Yes, Sir.

(b) To promote road tourism, the Go-
vernment has initiated a scheme to put up
Camping Sites and Motels on road routes
where the density of tourist traffic is high.

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The Government ofiMysore has suggested
5 locations for Camping jSItcs and 3 fof Motels

as under

Camping Sites

Motels

1. Belgaum

Bijapur

2. Amrutheswai

Marawanthe

3. Chitradurga

4. Bandipur

5. Bannerghatta

Belur

To begin with, it is proposed to put up
two Camping Sites, one each at Belgaum and
Bannerghatta, The Government of Mysore
has been requested to furnish estimates for
these projects which are awaited.

Details of the scheme for putting up Motels
at selected centres on all-India basis are being
finalised in consultation with the State Go-
vernments.

Inquity into the Digging of Tunnel In
Pow’s Camp, Ranchi

3489. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR :

SHRI SAT PAL KAPOOR :

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether inquiry into the tunnel
found dug under a stack of firewood in
Pakistani Prisoners of War camp at Ranchi
has been completed ; and

(b) if so, the outcome of the inquiry and
whether the responsibility has since been fixed
and action taken ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) As a result of the inquiry, the cir-
cumstances and the details of the attempts
made by POWS have been ascertained, result-
ing the suitable remedial measures being taken.
Since no fault on the part of Camp staff was
discovered, no action was taken against them.

Steps to make Air India Service Attractive

3490. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a') whether foreign tourists prefer BOAC
and other foreign airlines to Air India while
coming in or going of the country ;

(b) if so, whether Government have
analysed the reasons therefor ; and

(c) whether any steps have been taken to
make Air India service more attractive to
attract foreign tourists to travel by this
airline ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) The figures of traffic carried by Air India,
BOAC and other foreign airlines during the
year 1971 are given hereunder and will show
that Air India is securing a substantial share
of the market :

To India

From India

Air India

1,23,457

1,34,084

BOAC

32,758

38,903

Other foreign
airlines

1,71,334

1.97,451

(The above figures do not include the
traffic carried between India and neighbouring
countries viz . Burma, Nepal, Ceylon and
Afghanistan )

(b) Does nol arise.

(c) Yes, Sir. In collaboration with the
Department of Tourism, Air India has set up
a joint promotional effort in Europe (including
U.K.) and U.S.A. to attract more tourists to
this country.

Air India has introduced, through IATA
machinery, a number of discounted promotion-
al and group inclusive fares from various
parts of the world. Additionally, it is always
attempting to maintain the highest standards
of in-flight service.

Remittancerby Indians Living Abroad

3492. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to infer

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to the reply given to Unstarred Question No*
2235 on the 7th April, 1972 regarding re-
mittance by Indians living abroad and state :

(a) the number of persons detected and
arrested for receiving funds remitted through
unauthorised channels by the Indian immi-
grants abroad and the action taken by Go-
vernment against them during the last two
years ; and

(b) the steps Government propose to take
to tackle this problem ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Data re-
garding the number of persons arrested for
receiving funds remitted from abroad through
unauthorised channels are being collected
and will be laid on the Table of the House.

(b) Certain legislative measures are under
contemplation for strengthening the existing
provisions of the law. The Enforcement ma-
chinery is also constantly vigilant and takes
action in individual cases that come to
notice.

Distribution of Money by Industrial Development
Bank of India

3493. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA :

SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN :

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) the total distribution of money by the
Industrial Development Bank of India during
last three years. State-wise to encourage small
scale sectors ; and

(b) what has been the criteria in this re-
gard while distributing money to private Sector
in each State ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The Industrial Deve-
lopment Bank of India generally does not give
assistance to small sector units directly. It
refinances the loans given by banks or State
Financial Corporations in respect of units
covered under the Credit Guarantee Scheme.

A statement showing Statewlse distribution
of refinance assistance* sanctioned and dis-

bursed, by the Development Bank in respect
of loans to small scale units during the last
three financial years is laid on the Table of
the Houe. [Placed in library . See No. Lt-
3504/72]

Repatriation of Profits by Foreign Companies

3494. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been an increase in
the profits repatriated by foreign companies
during the last three years ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) The following table gives the
remittances made abroad on account of pro-
fits and dividends during the last three
years

Year

Profits

Dividends

(Rs. crores)

1968-69

130

30‘3

1969-70

127

314

1970-71

131

435

Data or the year 1971-72 is not yet
available. While profit remittances during the
three years do not show any substantial in-
crease, remittances of dividends during 1970-71
were substantially higher than in the preceding
two years.

(b) The sizeable increase in dividend
remittances is on account of the larger remitt-
able liabilities of foreign owned oil companies
and the step up in the dividends declared by
some of the other foreign controlled rupee
companies.

PL. 480 Funds

3495. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state the amount of PL. 480
funds for which budgetary credit was taken
since the beginning of the PL. 480 imports ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; Th* total

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amount of PL. 480 ftuxgs for which credit has
been taken in the Budget since the PL. 480
imports started in 1956 aggregated Rs. 2305
croreg on 30*6-1972. This comprises of the
following components

(Rs. crores)

1. Loan received by Govt.

of India. 1411

2. Grants received by

Govt, of India. 337

3. PL. 480 rupee funds
invested in Govt, of
India Special Secu-

rities. 243

4. PL 480 imports
made under Con-
vertible currency
credit (involving no

rupee deposits). 314

Total : 2305

Committee to Enquire into the Working of
Foreign Companies

3496. SHRI RAMPRAKASH : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
any representation for setting up a Commi-
ttee inquire into the working of foreign to com-
panies in India ; and

(b) if so, the decision of Government

thereon ?

THE. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) Yes, Sir, Govt, have received
a reference from a member of Parliament
regarding the excessive remittances made by
certain foreign controlled companies by indulg-
ing in production and marketing of non-
essential goods. The Hon’ble Member has also
made a suggestion for the setting up of a
small committee to probe into the working
of the foreign companies in India.

(b) The matter is under examination.

Enhanced Pension Benefits to Defence Personnel
(Combatant Ranks)

3497. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) the reasons for which the Defence
personnel (Combatant Ranks) retired during
the period from the 1st December 1968 to 30th
November 1969, were not granted full enhan-
ced persionary benefits as a consequence of
merger of Dearness allowance as Dearness
pay at par with those personnel who retired
with effect from 1st December 1969, when
these personnel are similarly governed by the
Pension Regulations for the Army Part I and
II for the grant of pension ;

(b) whether this is not an unproportion-
ate formula by which these personnel were
granted only half the advantage of enhanced
rates of pension and full and ad hoc tempo-
rary increase of pension was deducted; and

(c) if so, the steps which Government
propose to take to mitigate the hardship
caused to the retired Defence Service peisonnel
in the lower ranks ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (b). The orders
treating a portion of dearness allowance as
dearness pay for pensionary benefits in respect
of Service personnel are based on the civil
orders. Like civilian Government employees,
Service personnel below officer rank have
been granted service pension by adding to
their emoluments the following quantum of
dearness pay, without ad-hoc increase sanc-
tioned from time to time

(i) One-half of the dearness pay in res-
pect of those personnel retiring on
or after 1st December 1968 but before
1st December, 1969 ; and

(ii) full dearness pay in respect of per-
sonnel retir g on or after 1st Decem-
ber, 1969.

If, in any case, the revised rate of pension
is less than the existing rate of pension toge-
ther with ad'hoc increase, the pensioner is

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eligible to draw the later award.

plan to encoatage Internal Tourism

3498. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-
TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether no serious efforts have been
made by Government to encourage internal
tourism ;

(b) whether any plan has been drawn up
to encourage tourism within the country ;
and

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) to (c). No, Sir. The necessary infra-struc-
ture for tourism in continuously being expan-
ded and improved. Youth Hostels, Tourist
Bungalows, Reception Centres, Rest Houses at
game sanctuaries and camp sites arc being
constructed Government have also allocated
funds for loans for the construction of hotels
and the purchase of tourist transports. All the
tourism facilities being provided are for the
use of both domestic and foreign tourists.

Master Plan for an Integrated Development

of Goa Beaches for Destination Toursits

3499. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided to
draw up a Master plan for an integrated deve-
lopment of Goa Beaches for destination tou-
rists and charter groups ;

(b) if so, when the master plan is likely to
be drawn up ; and

(c) what is Government’s estimate of the
possible number of tourists visiting Goa Bea-
ches, after they are fully developed ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. It is proposed to
develop beach resort facilities in Goa for
promoting a larger volume of tourist traffic.
A beach resort development survey will
shortly be taken up for drawing up a master
plan of development,

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(c) It will be possible ' to estimate the
number of tourists who will visit Goa only
after the survey has been completed and an
assessment made.

Proposal to develop each Resorts at Im-
portant centres along the Coistilne

3500 SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have any propo-
sal under consideration to develop beach re-
sorts at important centres along the coastline ;
and

(b) if so, the number of resorts to be de-
veloped and their location ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Besides the development
of Kovalam near Trivandrum as a beach
resort, work on which is already in progress,
Goa has been selected for development as
another major beach resort. Accommodation
and other facilities are also being provided at
Mahabalipuram.

Proposal to set up a Holding Company for
Air India and Indian Airlines

3501. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI-
ATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to set up a
holding company for Air India and Indian
Airlines ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). The question of strengthening
coordination between the two Air Corpo-
rations is under constant review. In this pro-
cess, a suggestion for establishing a holding
company is also being studied.

Setting up of Pipeline Project In Eastern India

3502. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether any tender was called for the

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salting up .of pipeline presets in the Eastern
India;

(b) if so, the name of the company whose
tender was accepted ; and

fc) if not, the reasons thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) The
following two pipelines are under construction
in the eastern India

(i) Lakwa-Moran by Oil and Natural
Gas Commission ; and

(ii) Haldia-Rajbandh by the Indian Oil
Corporation.

For the Lakwa-Moran pipeline open
tenders were invited by the Oil and Natural
Gas Commission. The construction of Haldia-
Rajbandh pipeline involves the following four
jobs and open tenders were invited by the
IOC for the last three of those

(i) Mainline construction

(ii) Pipe handling

(iii) Pump-station erection

(iv) Radiographic inspection and catho-
dic protection.

(b) (i) Lakwa-Moran pipeline \

M/s Dodsal & Co., Bombay.

(ii) Haldia-Rajbandh pipeline

M/s Auroville Industries, Calcutta
(Pipe handling)

M/s B. M. Engineering Co„
Calcutta (Pump station erection)
M/s Corrosion Control Services,
Bombay (Radiographic inspection
and cathodic protection works),

(c) Tenders were not invited for the main-
line construction work of Haldia-Rajbandh
pipeline due to the following reasons

(i) The job was required to be executed
00 'crash’ basis by taking advantage

of the current working season for
moving imported crude to Barauni
refinery before the end of 1972 and
to maintain the existing supply of
petroleum products in the Calcutta
area.

(ii) The work involved is a highly specia-
lised one requiring the use of heavy
machines and expertise. Keeping this
in view four well-known contractors
in this field in the knowledge of IOC
and ONGC ware called for negotia-
tion and the best party thereof vfe.
M/s Dodsal Pvt. Co., Bombay was
selected by a duly constituted
Committee.

Offshore Drilling at Tapti High

3503. SHRI VFKARIA :

SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether because of the setback in its
venture of offshore drilling at Aliabet,
Government arc having second thoughts about
Tapty High ; and

(b) if so, what are the O.N.G.C.’s plans
about Tapti High and what progress has been
made so far in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) No.

Sir.

(b) As the water depth at the location
selected for drilling in Tapti Offshore struc-
ture, is considerable and as a mobile offshore
drilling platform has already been ordered fbr,
it is considered advantageous and more econo*
mical to undertake drilling on the Tapti
Structure using the mobile platform. The
mobile platform is expected to arrive in India
in December, 1972. It will be developed for
drilling on the structures in deeper waters in
the Arbian Sea like 'Bombay-High’, and will
be diverted for drilling on the Tapti Struc-
ture later when it can be spared from the
former areas, taking into consideration the
weather and sea conditions.

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iProposftl from Government of Gujarat
for setting up Detergent Alkylate and
Ethylene Glycol Projects

3504. SHRI VAKARIA :

SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANKI:

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether a proposal by the State
Government of Gujarat for setting up Deter-
gent Alkylate and Ethylene Glycol Projects
is still pending with the Government of India ;
and

(b) if so t the decision taken by Govern-
ment thereon ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) There is
no proposal of the Government of Gujarat
for setting up Detergent Alkylate and Ethylene
Glycol Projects. The State Government has,
however, proposed to participate with the
Central Government in these two projects
which are being set up by the Central Govern-
ment in the public sector.

(b) No decision has yet been taken.

Determination of existing price for Crude

3505. SHRI D. D. DESAI : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether his Ministry have raised objec-
tions to the existing crude pricing system of
the ESSO and Burmah-Shell ; and

(b) whether suggestions for determining
the price of crude imports were received and
if so, main outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and

(b). The various claims made by the foreign
oil companies in regard to the determination
of the price of the crude oil imported by them
from their own sources for processing in their
refineries in India have not been fully
accepted. ESSO and Burmah-Shell have
suggested certain methods for determining
the price of crude oil imported by them.

However, these suggestions have been linked
by thefh with the larger question# of -expan-
sion of their Refinery and marketing opera-
tions etc. A detailed study has been tindet-
taken of the various alternatives of dealing
with the matter and a final decision will bb
taken as soon as these studies have been
completed.

Persons travelling without tickets in Calcutta-

Bombay Caravelle of the Indian Airlines
on 27.5.1972

3506. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 1814 on the
11th August, 1972 regarding people found with-
out tickets in Calcutta-Bombay Caravelle of
Indian Airlines on 27th May, 1972 and
state :

(a) the particulars of the persons who had
been found travelling without ticket ; and

(b) the names and designations of the
officials against whom complaints have been
lodged in this connection ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) The eight passengers without tickets
(including two babies) were members of a
marriage party. Since the parents of the
babies already had tickets, the two children
were permitted to travel after tickets were
Py4f^i‘ — ?d for them. The remaining passengers
* ;***pd and their names are :

1. Shri N. M. Parikh

2. Mast. Ashu

3. Shri R. H, Amin

4. Shri K. K. Chakraborty

5. Shri Rajen Taunk

6. Shri N. M. Patel

(b) An inquiry is in progress and has not
yet been completed.

L.I.C.'s investments in Business concerns

3507 . SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Win
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(*) the investments made by the Lib

119 Written Answers AUGUST 25. 1972 Wrkten Answers I 20

Insurance Corporation !, la business concerns during the same period ; and
during the last three years ;

(c) its investments in the Hindustan Lever
(b) L.I.C., investments in the Companies and Co., till date t
under each of the 20 Big Business Houses

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a)

1969-79 1970-71

(Rupees in Lakhs)

1971-72

Public Sector

Nill

1.36

20.73

Co-operative Sector x

152.73

228.36

200.43

Private Corporate Sector

1217.23

1043.64

994,72

TOTAL

1369.96

1273.36

1215.88

Larger Industrial House

1969-70

1970-71 1971-72

(Rupees in Lakhs)

1. A.C.C.

42.76

0.35

19.18

2. Andrew Yule

0.11

17.77

0.66

3. Bangur

3.90

48.28

4.99

4. Bird Heilgers

0.02

4.03

0.27

5. Birla

79.98

131.24

42.29

6. Goenka

0.23

6.09

4.37

7. I.C.I,

83.94

8.72

7.18

g. J.K. (Singhania)

00.8

2.02

9.98

9 . Kilachand Tulsidas

—

8.47

10. Killick

41.20

170.24

35.99

11. Mafatlal

10.32

50.21

1.12

12. Martin Burn

0.14

0.11

201.57

13. Sahu Jain

—

14. Sarabhai

—

15. Scindia Steam Navigation

1.56

—

16. Shri Ram

0.18

4.02

2.25

17. Sooraj Mull Nagar Mull

—

18. Tata

205.40

134.16

66.81

19. Thapar

0.08

3.62

0.05

20. Walcband

10.62

3.45

0.50

Total

480.52

584.31

405.68

No. of
shares

Face Value
(Rs.)

Book Value
(Rs.)

7»% Debentures 1977-80

—

85,20,000

83,98,821

Equity shares of Rs. 10/-

F.P.

89,286

8,92,860

15,75,809

Total

89,286

94,12, 860

99,74,630

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Written Answers 122

R.B.I. report on remittance profits hy
Foreign Companies

3508. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether a study made by the Reserve
Bank of India has revealed that foreign
functioning in India are a drain on our
economy ;

(b) whether large amount of profits of
these companies are directly or indirectly
remitted abroad ; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) No.

Sir.

(b) All remittances abroad of profits and
dividends by foreign companies operating in
India can be made only directly with the
prior approval of the Reserve Bank of India.
Such remittances during 1968-69 to 1970-71 are
as under :

(Rs. crores)

Year Profits Dividends

1968- 59 13.0 25.4

1969- 70 12.7 27 6

1970- 71 13.1 38.7

Placing Orders for Indigenous Items in lieu
of imported ones by the Department of
Defence Supplies

3509. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH
MALIK :

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Department of Defence
Supplies placed orders for 12,935 items with
the Indian manufacturers which I to be
originally imported ; and

(b) if so, the items ordered and the
Foreign Exchange saved thereby ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI , VIDYACHARAN
SHUKLA) : (a). Since the inception of the
Department towards the end of 1965 till end
of March 1972, orders have been placed with
Indian manufacturers for 13,104 items. The
items ordered fall in two categories (i) which
were originally imported and (ii) which are
developed indigenously and are being intro-
duced into the Defence Service for the first
time.

(b) Since the number of items ordered i9
very large, it would take considerable time to
furnish the list. Moreover, the effort
involved may not be commensurate with the
objective likely to be achieved. It would be
difficult to give the precise figures of saving
in foieign exchange due to the following
reasons :

( i ) In several cases, foreign exchange is
released for import of raw materials
and components as well as for
capital balancing equipment and
therefore this amount would have to
be deducted from the value of items
ordered. This information would
have to be collected case by case.

(ii) As -mentioned in part (c), all the
items ordered were not originally
imported and for such items, number
of which is large, corresponding
values in foreign exchange would not
be readily available.

(iii) Even for those items which were
originally imported, the prevailing
prices in foreign markets, at the time
of placement of orders on Indian
manufactures were not available in
many instances. The number of
these items is also large.

Borrowing of Central Government and States

3510. SHRI MUKHTI \R SINGH
MALIK : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state the total net market borrowing
of the Union Government and States ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : As indicated

123 Written Answer#,

AUGUST 25, l97i

Written Answers 124

in the Statement on Market Borrowings laid
on the Table on 21st August, 1972 net market
borrowings of the Union Government and
State Governments during the year would
approxirfcately amount to Rs. 323 crores and
Rs. 132 crores respeciivdy*

Release of Full Report of Malaviya Committee
on O. N. G. C.

3511. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been invited to a statement made by the
Chairman of Committee on Oil and Natural
Gas Commission, Shri K. D. Malaviya, M.P.,
urging Government to release the full report
of the Committee to avoid misinformed
criticisms of its findings ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) Government consider that the
summary of the Malaviya Committee Report,
released by them, is a full and authentic one
and there is nothing in it which should lead to
misinformed criticism of the findings contained
in the main Report. As far as the Report
itself is concerned it is presently under
examination of Government and after this is
over. Government’s opinion on the various
important recommendations would need to be
forwarded to Parliamentary Committee on
Public Undertakings for their comments. It
is only on receipt of CPU’s comments that
Government would be in a, position to take
final decisions on the Report, In the circums-
tances, it is not considered advisable, in the
public interest, to release the Report. It has
also to be added that the CPU have not, as
yet, permitted Government to release the
Report.

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(*r) qfe ?t, cit ro% *tt *rro | ?

fafa aftr wro ott fatfaro aftr
row* fat isparo sttto nWrw) : (*)
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qfa qq qwmr | wr tfa % w|tt for

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fir *PT fatOT apr^W, 1971 3RT W
far wt «tt i qrfa^R % qm p %
qqro fa ?wt srifafa fa arwk 5ft «rw
fa qfaqrarf if *tot qq fa fa 1 ro afar
if wfnw fofa arfa % srw fa fawifa
if srrarr q? qf aft 1 ot «f f if *mnw
forfa iff faf % srre arrfaq arqfa qfarr %
argnT qqronfa qafa q qqr ^ f* ap?
araa «FT | I ro iffa if 33W q*
snRfrOT qfaf if smfa 1 1 ifa
fqffa faqfoj qfa wr it* fa *rnt for,
«roq % feq qfar ir afa
anfaf, qq fare* far anqr snffa § 1

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3513. fa ron : «WT for

qfa q? qarfa fa f qr qfot fa :

(qr) qr stor if fa 1971-72 if

arRrc ir qrq faqr «tt;

(*r) qfa^t, atfawT qr>r forr;

(q) wqnrfawr <rcfafa srrrar *ft

ijqqrq qRqTqror afa

(q) qrorr fa fa srfa fa fw faqfa
TTfa 31 qfa, 1971 w awr «Rfa fa ?

for fat («tt roroim w^nr) :

(qr) off, 5 t 1 fafaq qrorc * sffa ^JX

125 Written Answert

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 126

aurfcr fmt, afa f^ , 1971 3

apa fm? *f i

(«) srfwmaf J* qq>a 626.87

5 fTTt? Wf «ft I

(a) fro% f^rr awre ^flr %
qifq«F SHTST ^*T 33.03 aqir
#3^1 t I

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%r£q *RTT 7 sm fa<T qWR qpfi 4 ff
SRTOT T^T 4443.71 qr<t? ^ *ft I

anffq* jfaw, af ar gm *aa

3514. «ft JTfT^r TPn : SPTT qjfea
aftr w famaa mft a? aatf $qr
q>T% fa :

(*) aata af ft^qraq
1971-72 Jr am aw aq Jf foaat aarTfa
?a% fama, fmarc aar atari afe qr
g=q qft a$;

(a) ?a?teaqqqq 1971-72 Jr$a
foaar amaa aatft am ar^r gq far;
ak

(q) aa 1971-72 Jr mr ?tea *rt

ma ?f ?

q<JeH aftq ajar famaa mat (mo ari
fa?) : (a). 1971-72 % atma am ?ra
qq Jf atfla aa qrrf fasarc a$ fq>m
am 1 1 1971-72 % ahia aatara ar
aim aqq 20.84 BWf^maftl 1972-73
% flma a* maa* % faq faster 45
aw aq^ if Sr mft aa> 7.91 «w aq*r
mftr arri iff at 1 1

(*) a fk (a), at 1971-72 % fcarr-

sraf q5f at* £ t^T $ 1 1971-72 % *kra

araf*aa faafta qftma *a swrc ? :

fama — 259.31 aw amt

srmafaar am ma «aa
( 2.30 ?*w aqt %
tiTaqJfs fata

fosra af?a ) —238. 1 5 aw aqt

qrrJrgaara —21.16 awaqt

Selling of Gold in Bombay

3515. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been selling of gold
in Bombay during the last month ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ;

(d) whether such buying and selling
had any adverse effect on the country’s
economy ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) to (c).
The price of gold in the Bombay bullion
market increased steeply in May 1972 and
during the first week of June 1972 mainly as
a sequel to the rise in the free market price
of gold abroad and also partly due to the
usual increase in domestic demand during the
marriage season. Thereafter the price tended
to decline partly as a result of higher inflow
from up-country markets and partly due to a
fall in the free market price abroad. During
July 1972 the {)rice moved in the range of
Rs. 230.5 and Rs. 235.5 per 10 gms. and the
range of observed fluctuation in prices in that
month was lower than that observed in June,
1972,

(d) The obsered fluctuations in gold prices
do not appear to have had any noticeable
adverse effect on the country's economy.

Illegal remittances by Indians living
in Britain

3516. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether attention of Government has

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AUGUST 25* 1972

Written Answers 128

been drawn to a report in the ‘Indian
Express* on the 7th June, 1972 under the
heading “Plan to channelise sneak Pound 1 * ;

(b) whether any estimate has been made
by Government as to the amount which comes
to the country v through illegal channels and
consequential loss in foreign exchange being
sustained by the country ;

(c) whether the Association of India
expatriates in Britain has forwarded a scheme
to Government under which the money would
be transmitted to India only through legal
channels if certain facilities are extended ;

(d) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ; and

(e) whether a copy of the scheme would
be laid on the Table of the House ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) By the very nature of the problem it
is difficult to arrive at any estimate of the loss
sustained by the country on account of illegal
transactions.

(d) and (e) Do not arise.

Loss suffered by Indian Airlines due to
Operation of HS-748 (AVRO) Aircraft

3517. SHRI P. K. DEO :

SHRI FATESINGKRAO
GAEKWAD :

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been invited to a report in the ‘Indian
Express’ dated the 8th June, 1972, under the
caption “Heavy loss by Indian Airlines on
AVRO” ;

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ; and

(e) the amount ofjosses sustained bv the

Indian Airlines on HS-748 during the last
two years and how these losses are likely to
be made up ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) and (b). Yes, Sir, It is correct that due
to increasing direct and indirect costs of
operation, the profitability of the HS-748 has
been adversely affected. This aircraft is manu-
factured in India and it is in the over all
national interest to make full use of it.

(c) The pattern of operations of Indian
Airlines cannot be viewed only in the context
of profitability, as many routes have to be
operated as an essential service for the travel-
ling public. The HS-748s are being used
mainly on regional routes which usually incur
a loss, irrespective of the type of aircraft.

Impact of Nationalisation of National Iranian

Oil Company by Iran on the supply of
Crude to India

3518. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether supply of crude to India is
likely to be affected in any way as a result
of the nationalisation of the National Iranian
Oil Company by Iran ;

(b) if so, to what extent ; and

(c) whether India is likely to save foreign
exchange consequent upon the nationalisation
of the Iranian Oil Company and if so, to what
extent ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a). The
National Iranian Oil Company is in the
public sector in Iran. Therefore the question
of its nationalisation does not arise.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Recommendations made by Central Excise
Reorganisation Committee

3519. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Wilt the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Excise Reorga-
nisation Committee in its renort had

129 Written Answers

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 130

mended Cadre composition and defined
functions of Executive and Ministerial cadres
separately ;

(b) whether all these recommendations
have been fully implemented ;

(d) if not, the reasons for not talcing
action so far ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) to (d). Yes, Sir. A state-
ment containing the information is placed on
the Table of the House. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT-3505/72]

Posting of Administrative Officers in Divisional
Offices of Central Excise Department

3520. SHRI DALIP SINGH: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the AIMndia Central Excise
and Customs Ministerial Federation was
assured by Government that the posts of
Superintendent Administration will be given
to Administrative Officer* of Ministerial ranks
m all the Divisional offices in the Central
Excise Department ;

(b) whether this assurance has been ful-
filled ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R.
GANESH) ; (a) No such assurance was given.
All the posts of Superintendent (Administra-
tion) have been designated as Administrative
Officers and 75% thereof are earmarked for
Ministerial Officers. The remaining 25% are
filled up by executive officers.

(b) and (c). Question does not arise.

Composition of Audit Parties in Central
Excise Department

3521. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) the composition of audit parties in
the Central Excise Department ;

(b) whether the recommendations of the
Central Excise Reorganisation Committee were
taken into account while deciding the com-
position of Audit parties ;

(c) whether uniformed Executive Offi-
cers who are also Assessing Officers are asso-
ciated with the audit, and if so, the reasons
therefor ;

(d) how the independence and impar-
tiality of audit is ensured ; and

(e) whether the Comptroller and Auditor
General of India has been consulted while
reorganising the Internal Audit formations of
the Central Excise Department ; and if not,
the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) Audit parties in the Cent-

ral Excise Department comprise of the Exa-
miners of Accounts, Inspectors of Central
Excise (O G) and (S.G) and Ministerial
stair viz Head Clerks, Upper Division
Clerks and Lower Division Clerks. 50% of
the posts of Examiners of Accounts are filled
Superintendents of Central Excise, Class II,
and the remaining 50% by the promotion of
Ministerial Officers. The number and compo-
sition of the parties differ from Collectorate
as per requirements of each Collectorate.

(b) The Committee did not make any
specific recommendation regarding composi-
tion of audit parties. However, their recom-
mendation for proper arrangements for audit
of transactions of the Central Excise Depart-
ment was taken into account while reorganising
internal audit parties in 1966,

The Executive Officers are associated with
this work as the audit of assessment of excisable
commodities is quite complicated and requires
a thorough knowledge of the tariff as well as a
specialised knowledge of the procedure and
field formations. However, 50% of the Gaze-
tted posts of Examiners of Accounts have been
given to the Ministerial staff and besides this
other Ministerial staff viz* Head Clerks, Upper

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AUGUST 25, 1972

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Division Clerks etc. a it also associated with
audit parties.

(d) The audit parties have been placed
exclusively under the control of Assistant
Collectors who are required to work directly
under the supervision of the Collectors. The
Collectors of Central Excise have been made
personally resposible for effective functioning
of audit and they have been instructed to per-
sonally look into audit paragraphs and the
defects pointed out by internal audit parties
and take prompt and suitable remedial measu-
res. Futher, only qualified and experienced
staff having a flair for audit work are selected
to man the audit parties. These measures go
along way in achieving independence and
impartiality of audit.

(e) No, Sir.

The Comptroller and Auditor General was
not consulted as the internal audit parties are
basically intended to serve departmental inter-
nal machinery. He is, however, aware of the
working of these parties. The Comptroller
and Auditor General conducts audit indepen-
dent of audit parties functioning under Acco-
untants General.

Import of less Crude by Foreign oil Com-
panies and its effect on Production

3522. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) how much less crude has been impor-
ted by the foreign oil Companies in India
following the decision of Government not to
accept their demand for an increased price for
imported crude ; and %

(b) how it has affected the working of
the Refineries and the production ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) As a
result of the Government having not accepted
the price increases claimed by the three foreign
oil companies, the three foreign oil companies
together would be importing an estimated
637,000 tonnes less crude oil during the year
1972.

(b) The three refineries of the foreign

oil companies would be operating at lower
levels of crude throughputs compared to their
normal levels, as given below

Refinery

Normal operating

level in million tonnes
per annum of crude
run.

Crude run for
1972 in million
tonnes per

annum

Burmah-

3.75

3.460

Shell

ESSO

2.75

2.486

CORIL

1.25

1.137

There will be a corresponding reduction in the
production of oil poducts. This is being
made good by imports.

Modern methods employed for Identification
of bodies in the event of Air Acciden ts

3523. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) how many bodies of the victims of the
recent Japan Airlines Plane crash near Delhi
had been identified and how many remained
unidentified ;

(b) whether any modern forensic methods
were employed for identification purposes ;

(d) whether Government maintains any
panel of forensic experts in odontology and
other sciences to assist in identification work
in the event of air accidents 7

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) The bodies of 58 of the 86 killed were
identified.

(b) While every effort was made to iden-
tify the remaining bodies, their condition
was such that forensic experts were not called
in.

(d) No, Sir.

j 3 j Written Answers BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

Extension of Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur oil
pIpeHm upto the West Coast

3524. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any project in hand
to extend the Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur oil pipe-
line upto the West Coast and if so, the Broad
outlines thereof ; and

(b) whether such a project was kept in
mind while selecting Mathura in U.P. as the
site for an oil refinery in North India ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b).
No. Sir. The proposed pipeline fromuhe Gulf
of Kutch to Mathura is required to carry im-
ported crude for processing in the refinery at
Mathura. Baraum-Kanpur section of the
Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur pipeline is a product
pipeline for carrying the products of Barauni
refinery to the consuming centres.

Class I and Class II Officers in Income Tax
Department

3525. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state ;

(a) the total number of Class I and
Class II Income-tax Officers as on 3 1st March
each year from 1970 to 1972 ;

(b) the number of such Officers who have
completed two years, five years and ten years
of service respectively as on 1st August, 1972 ;
and

(c) the number of Law and Accountancy
Degree Holders, Double Graduates and
Master’s Degree holders in both classes of
Officers as on 1st August, 1972 ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K-R.
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The information is

being collected and will be placed on the
Table of the House.

Scheme for assessment of Income-Tax
payable by small income group

3526. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) When the Income-tax Department

introduced the scheme for small income group
assessment without examination of accounts ;

(b) The definition of small income group
for the above purpose and whether this defi-
nition has changed from time to time ; and

(c) The number of assessments completed
under the scheme in the financial year 1971-72
without examination of accounts in the in-
come ranges of Rs. 15,000/-to Rs. 25,000/ and
Rs. 25,001 /-to Rs. 50,000/-?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R.
GANESH) : (a) A scheme for expeditious

disposal of small income cases was initiated
in January, 1964 by executive instructions.
Later in the light of experience gained, it was
considered proper to give the matter statutory
form and Section 143 (1) of the Income-tax
Act, 1961 wafc accordingly amended with effect
form 1 .4.1971, to introduce a comprehensive
scheme commonly known as the 'summary
assessment scheme’.

(b) The earlier small income assessment
scheme was ouilined in 1964 and further ela-
borated in 1967. This scheme covered the
types of cases mentioned m the attached
statement ‘A’ to this reply.

As regards the current ‘summary assess-
ment scheme* the Central Board of Direct
Taxes have issued instructions * that it may
cover cases except those detailed in the atta-
ched statement ‘B* to this reply.

(c) The small income assessment scheme
was supeiseded from 1.4.1971 by the summary
assessment scheme. 23,11.638 assessments
were completed under the 'summary assess-
ment scheme’ during the financial year 1971-
72. Analysed information regarding the
number of summary assessments completed
during the financial year 1971-72, without
examination of accounts, for the income
ranges of Rs. 15,000/ to R9. 25,000
and Rs. 25,001/to Rs.50,000 / is not avila-
ble and its collection would involve considera-
ble time.

Statement ■ A 9

Cases covered by " small income assess -
ment scheme"

(i) Cases with returned income of
Rs. 10,000/- or below (Rs. 15,000/-

135 Written Answers

AUGUST 25. 1972

Written Answers 136

or below for the cities of Bombay
and Calcutta). Where, however,
there were more than one assess-
ments pending in a case and returned
income for any one of these years
exceeded Rs. 10,000/15000/- as the
case may be, the case went out of the
purview of the scheme.

(ii) New cases discovered on survey not
involving investment in property and
falling in the following categories : —

(a) The estimate of income made
by the Income-tax Inspector
was less than Rs. 12,500 /- ; and

(b) The total capital employed in-
cluding boi rowed capital did
not exceed Rs. 20,000/-.

(iii) Cases of registered firms with four
or more partners where the total
returned income for the year was
Rs. 20,000 or less and the last asse-
ssed income did not exceed Rs. 20,000
and in none of the pending assess-
ments the returned income exceeded
Rs. 50,000/-.

(iv) Partners cases where the total income
returned was less than Rs. 10,000/-
(Rs. 15,000/- for the cities of Bombay
and Calcutta).

(v) All Government salary cases irres-
pective of the income returned/assess-
ed in the past.

(vi) All non-government salary cases
with incomes below Rs, 18,000/-.

The scheme did not aptyy to the following

types of

cases.

(1)

All Company cases.

(2)

Returns showing losses.

(3)

Cases of voluntary returns filed
by ladies and minors.

(4)

Voluntary returns filed in cases
other than at (3) above in so
far as the first year of assess-
ment was concerned.

(5) Cases involving specific allega-
tions of tax evasion or in which
the tax evasion was suspected
as per the information of the
Assessing Officer.

Statement 'B 9

Cases may be covered by the “summary

assessment scheme" except the folio wing

O') All company cases excepting in the
city charges of Bombay, Madras,
Gujarat, Delhi and Calcutta where
the Commissioners of income-tax
may in their discretion exclude such
company cases as they deem fit.

(ii) All category I— assessments, excepting
in the city charges of Bombay and
Calcutta where only Category I
cases with returned/assessed income
of Rs. 50,000/- and above in either
the current year or in any one of
the last two years. For the other
charges, however, the Commissioners
have been authorised to prescribe a
limit involving Category 1 cases
with returned/assessed income of
Rs. 25,000/- to Rs. 50,000/-: the
specific limit may be placed anywhere
between this indicated bracket.

( 111 ) All cases irrespective of their cate-
gories which involve a loss in busi-

' ness of Rs. 10,000/- or above even
if the total income after set off of
such loss against income under other
heads is a positive figure.

(iv) First year’s assessment in cases (in-
cluding direct refund cases) involving
income (from sources other than the
salaries) over Rs. 2,000/- except
where there is information that in-
vestment of over Rs. 25,000/- is
involved.

(v) Cases which form part of a group of
cases in which detailed investigations
for detecting tax evasion are consi-
dered necessary for any reason.

(vi) Cases in which specific allega-
tions/information had been received
regarding (a) tax evasion involving
concealed income of over Rs* 25,000/-

107 Written Answers

BHADRA J, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers li8

and (b) fresh investments in immov-
vaWe properties shares, securities,
deposits, etc. over Rs. 25,000/- and
which on preliminary enquiries appear
to be prima facie correct.

(vii) All cases which have been reopened
under Section 147 for purpose of
reassessment.

(viii) AH cases of trusts.

(ix) Cases in which assessees have claimed
amortisation expenses under Section
35D and 35G of Income-tax Act,
1961 and/or deduction in respect of
profits and gains from newly establi-
shed undertakings or ships or hotel
business in certain cases under
Section 80J.

(x) Cases where the value of capital
assets sold m a year exceeds Rs.
50,000/-.

(xi) Salary cases in which there is a
difference of Rs. 1000/- or above
between the value of perquisites
shown in an assessee’s return of
income for any year and that deter-
mined by the Assessing Officer for
earlier year.

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139 Written Answers

AUGUST 25. 1972

Written Answers 140

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141 Written Answers

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 142

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143 Written Answer?

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 144

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Proposal to start Air Service between Ludhiana
and New. Delhi

3537. SHRI B. S BHAURA : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI-
ATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal to start
air service between Ludhiana and New Delhi ;
and

(b) if so, when the new service is expected
to start ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR, KARAN SINGH) :

(a) Indian Airlines are not considering any
such proposal,

(b) Does not arise.

Proposal to construct an Airport at Bhatinda,
Punjab

3538. SHRI B. $ BHAURA : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA-

TION be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to cons-
truct an airport at Bhatinda (Punjab) ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Acquisition of Land for Cantonment at Bhatinda
(Punjab) and compensation paid to Land-
Owners

3539. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether land has been acquired for
cantonment at Bhatinda, Punjab ;

(b) if so, the total land acquired and the
rate of compensation paid to the land
owners ; and

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Credit from World Bank for Agricultural
Schemes

3540. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the
Ministef of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether some State Governments have
complained that the terms of World Bank
Credit for agricultural development and the
financial discipline attached to such credit are
not suitable to India's conditions ;

(b) if so, whether the Centre has taken up
this issue with the World Bank ; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) * GO Some

14 $ Written Answers

BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 146

State Goverments have suggested a few modi-
fications in the lending terms applicable to
credit projects assisted by the World Bank.

(b) Yes Sir.

Quantity of recoverable Oil Deposits

3541. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state the total quantity
of recoverable oil deposits in the' oil fields in
India ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R GOKHALE) : As on
1-1-72, the total estimated' quantity of reco-
verable oil deposits in the oil field in India
was about 1 14*3 million tonnes

Payment of expenditure incurred on Pnk
P.O.Ws to India by Pakistan

3542. SHRI G. Y. KRISIINAN :

SHRI K SURYANARAYANA :

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased
to state whether the expenditure incuired
by India on Pakistani Prisoners of War
will be paid by Pakistan after their return
as envisaged under the Geneva Pact ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : Under the Geneva Con-
ventions, maintenance and medical facilities
have to be provided free of charge. However,
monthly advance of pay given to the mili-
tary and para-military personnel can form
part of arrangements that may be arrived
at between the parties, after the conflict.
This matter will be taken up when the
repatriation of Prisoners of War is discussed.

Information from I.C.R C about missing per-
sonnel

3543. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state whether Government have received any
information from the International Committee
of Red Cross regarding the lists of 1 006
Military and Para-Military missing personnel

which were sent to that Committee for veri-
fication with the help of Pakiataqi authorities ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : Out of total of 1,006 per-
sonnel, lists of 638, held as Prisoners of War,
were received through the International Commi-
ttee of Red Cross Thus, only the balance
have to be treated as missing. The International
Committee of Red Cross had been requested
to ascertain the position of the missing
personnel but they have not been able to
collect and send any information so far.

Increase in Bank Deposits

3544 SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :
the region-wise increase in the deposits of
Nationalised Banks during the last two and
a half years ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SU§H1LA ROHATG1) : The region-wise in-
crease in deposits of Nationalised Banks
during the period September, 1972 is set
out in the Statement laid on the Table of
the House. [ Placed in Library , See No.
LT-3506/72]

Amount found missing from the Civil Lines
Brunch of the State Bank of India,

Jabalpur

3545. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will the
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether a bundle of Rs 10,000 was
found missing from the Civil Lines Branch
Office of the State Bank of India, Jabalpur
recently ; and

(b) if so, whether any clue in this regard
has so far been found ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R
GANESH) : The State Bank of India havcP
reported that one bundle of Rs. 10 deno-
mination currency notes valued at Rs.
10,000/- was found missing from the Tellers
counter at the Civil Branch of State Bank
of India at Jabalpur on the 28th July,
1972.

147 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answer* 148

(b) The case h*l been reported to the
police who are still itftattigating the matter.

Agreement with Japan for extension of term of

Ninth Yen Loan from that Country

3546. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Japan and India have
agreed to extend the term of Japan's Ninth
Yen Loan to India ; and

(b) if so, the salient features of ag-
reement ?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a) and (b).
The Ninth Yen Credit Agreement stipulated
the terminal date of the Loan as 31st
July 1972. Since shipments and disburse-
ments under two contracts notified under
the Credit were not expected to be comp-
leted by the above date, a Modification
Loan Agreement has been signed between
India and Japan on July 29, 1972 extending
the terminal date in respect of the contracts.

Of these contracts, one relates to import
of power tiller packs by the Projects &
Equipment Corporation of India Ltd. and
the other to the import of machinery and
equipment for M/s. HMT, Bangalore for
expansion of the watch factory at Bangalore
and setting up of a watch factory in
Kashmir. The terminal dates for disburse-
ment for these contracts have been extended
upto the 31st December, 1972 and the 31st
December, 1973, respectively.

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tot % fa?# to% gq to frot
if qpiff qftarsfc-qnft if mr to sfa
stot qft to ft froft gift 3TOt
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arurqrT wTOsrt arfrwfa towIt % srrt if u
3PTRT, 1972 % TOTTfer 5HFT WTO 1834
% % wrosr ft wf TOft qrt to qr^r

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fart ipr I, 3^1 1 1 anrer, 1972 % aftqr-
to if atwreffarw sm w<> 1834 % srtt ft
WTOT TO t I

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TOW wg m fa cTcqrnftw Jrcfro qrrafirfir
% anjwrc farww BrwftJT to arfftqrm
inwf if ^TOf qr*% qrT-firefTwt % #554
qrt farTOft % fan* arntqrr arfgqrrftifi qt
WTO qqfar W^f ft I TO% TO TO TOrfarfif
qt 1 amw, 1971 ir wftfftw qrr qrq firm
to (, errfar arrqqrT arfsrqrift, Trwrfisfr qrr-
fargffafaiff arroq^t-^

arrfa qrr^ ¥t anirroroT % fam, <pt
to % wrot if qrrfir«rk«ff «Ft qft tot
if tffaro it tftfTm it faro tp? i

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TO if TORtfTO TO tfo 1834 %?fawfaRT

149 Written Answers

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 150

ct? if tffta ftwr wt$, ftfam aR-fftafro
^ftfafa am fag ag ma aqnff % aawr
1971-72 *r ma-aR fftsfrof ft fftqma if
^ftmff anf % fsTTZH tit gw?TT if TTSf
gmr $m | aik aR-fagfrof % 1971-72
% are mr-sffaa to mwft aft awr
1970-71 % are anr-sffqcr mmft aft gagr
if amft am 1 1

fc^re if «nfca aft qfe info
ftaff % ftwm m mare

3549. aft fro atftart : am W^T ark
am fam aa ftat af aarft aft irt aRft

far:

(ar) am fafre if qftaa aft efe ft
ate ftref % fawa aRft aar rnffta? Far^raff
aft a<z ftft if amft |g ga? sreara stor
ft faaRmta | ; sfk

(g) aft ft, at aaaft gw faftaara

wt | ?

aftaa ark area famaa ftat : (ar«
are fftf) (a?) ark (w). fttftt *»krar-
afft % akra fafRft akraar araftre-
marer anfcftaa aa faana areft a>r mara
% i ataam ft afraftfa afrea % ms-ma
22 gare tjfft srfaa^r areft ft faft 13 mar
aqft aft Rrfar at ar *jaft | am aft ft ttw
stor 5ttt qjfar *pt fsatawr are fern
arar 1 sa wa % fama % fag ga? mm
c^rsf aan aft aiftftt i srearfaa ma
gfamaf if mafar war marer if ga>
■pftftfkn aa fraW afmfaa 1 1

gw ifun am fftaa qawnm
if firere areaft aft mff %
foqmgatmmnft aamare

’3550. aft fWT aftmft :

aft «ftki ftf are :

wt aftw afft am famaa wft af

tilt tt (ti areft ft,*

(a) wt arerreft gireffrem afk
jfmra gw mar ft fama waaft aft
mff ft fag mg atm at asrft % aft ft
fwft mare ar faare Mr |; aik

(a) aft ft, at srana w fw afftr
wt | aik aaw arm ft wt fftafa
fftm| ?

amre aft? am famaa aat («•
arefftf) : (ar) ark (ar). gw^ftam ft
famaarearf aft mff % fag *gaaa mg
26 aft am afmnaa aTg 35 aft | ftaft
awrawaa maaf ft 37 aft aar ^t rfta
at ar aaftt 1 1 ?ftaa garar^a ft aaaft
1972 ft faaraaraaft % g® wt % fag
famaa faar am fa^afefea mg fttmg
faaffta aft at :-

1-1-1972 art 28 aft; w?g arggfaa
arfaat-aamfaat % awtaarat aft 5 aft,
aar Fraft ata aat % akra mrraTT fama
areaft % a^q ft faaaa arfttaaiTt ¥t frmr
ft 3 aft aar aft ®a ftt m a%at i gafam^
arrft m ifoaaa gwmim ft famfefmr
mg atarg fauffta ?t >

1-1-1972 aft 30 aft; mpg arggfaa
mfaaf-aramfaaf am tgaga tot ftmaf
% afaaft aft 5 aft, am aa ata aaf %
akra aaran: fama anwft ft mr ft fagaa
awftaaRt aft fTaa ft 3 aft aa> aft fs at
m aftftt i

?a ma fttmsft aft aaaft w fttf
sr^ara aift |

Allocation of foreign exchange to students going
abroad

3551. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state the amount of money released by
the Reserve Bank of India to students who
proceeded to foreign countries for higher
study during last two years, State-wise 7

151 Written Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers l$j

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YBSHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Data relating
to higher studies are not maintained on a
State-wise basis. A statement is laid on the
Table of the House indicating the total
number of permits issued and foreign ex-
change released for the period from April,
1970 to March, 19?2, country-wise. The
Reserve Bank of India deals with individual
applications subject to certain broad educa-
tional criteria and the students who comply
with these requirements are released foreign
exchange. The policy relating to educational
remittances is also suitably publicised by
issue of Press Notes from time to time. In
view of the general policy relating to educa-
tional remittances, the efforts involved in
collecting State-wise data will not b: commen-
surate with the results to be achieved.

Statement

Foreign Exchange Permits issued and Exchange
released for Study/Training Abroad

For the Period April , 1970 to March ,
1971

SI. No. Name of Total num- Total amount
the ber of per- of exchange

Country, mits issued, released

(Rs. 000’s)

U. K. &
Europe.

1196

6710

U. S. A.

& Canada.

3754

100344

Other

countries.

358

2616

Total :

5308

109670

For the Period April, 1971 to March,
1972

U. K. &
Europe.

1030

5249

U. S. A.

& Canada.

1834

39030

Other

countries.

267

1414

Total :

3151

45693

Meeting of United Nations Economic Social
Council

3552. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRl :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether, at the recent meeting of the
United Nations Economic and Social Council,
a suggestion was made by Chile to evolve
an international Code of Conduct to regulate
the affairs of Companies whose activities
spill over national frontiers and influence
economic climates in countries othdr than their
own ; and

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). At the 53rd session
of the United Nations Economic and Social
Council, Chile made a suggestion that the
activities of multi-national boundaries, should
be studied in such a way that eventually it
should be possible to evolve a framework
of regulations for such activities. A Reso-
lution was adopted by the ECOSOC which
suggested the setting up of a Study Group
of experts to implement the suggestion made
by Chi'e Such a Study Group could provide
useful data on the issue posed by Chile.

Recruitment in the Armed Forces and removal
of Regional Imbalance and Sectarian names

3553. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) total recruitment made for army,
navy and air-force during the period 1969-71,
State-wise ;

(b) the number of officers recruited
for training in army, navy and airforce.
State-wise during the period ;

(c) the names of recruitment centres for
army, navy and air-force, including centres
for officers training in three services ;

(d) the reasons for regional imbalance
in recruitment for defence forces and the
steps taken by Government to remove it ;
and

(e) the steps taken for removal of regi-

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onal communal and other sectarian names
of different army units ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (e). Required infor-
is being collected and will be laid on the table
of the House.

Deteriorating Condition of Calcutta International
and domestic Airports

3554. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI-
ATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether the West Bengal Finance
Minister met him last month in connection
with the deteriorating condition of Calcutta
international and domestic airports and the
Air India and Indian Airlines Services
and the services of international airways ;
and

(b) if so, the points raised by the
West Bengal Finance Minister in the meeting
and Government's reaction thereto >

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR KARAN SINGH) :

(a) and (b). Shri Tarum Kanti Ghosh, Minis-
ter for Commerce, Industiies and Tourism,
Government of West Bengal met the
Minister of Tourism and Civil Aviation in
Delhi on 27th July 1972 and discussed
with him matters concerning civil aviation
and tourism including problems of Calcutta
airport. Air-India at present operates two
international flights per week through
Calcutta West- bound and three per week
East-bound. From 29th October 1972 there
will t*e three frequencies per week through
Calcutta both to the East and West. In
addition, from 3rd November, 1972, Alr-
India will introduce a new flight which
will originate in Calcutta and terminate at
London. The question of strengthening
Indian Airlines services between Delhi and
Calcutta is also under examination.

Stage of construction and development of Petro-
chemical Projects at Haldia Port in
West Bengal

3555. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS be pleased to state :

(a) the stage of construction and deve-
lopment of petro-chemical projects at Haldia
port in West Bengal ;

(b) when these projects are expected to
be completed and to go into operation ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) to

(c). There is no proposal ro set up a
petro-chemical complex at Haldia in the
Fourth Plan period. However, the Govern-
ment approved in November 1971 the
establishment of fertilizer project at Haldia
by the Fertilizer Corporation of India,
envisaging as annual production of 3,79,000
tonnes of nitro-phosphate fertilizer, 1,65,000
tonnes of Urea fertilizer, 60,000 tonnes of
soda ash and 48,250 tonnes of methanol.
The estimated cost of the project is about
Rs 88 crores. Preliminary steps for imple-
menting the project are in hand. These include
inclusion of licence agreements with foreign
parties for process know-how and contract
for design engineering and supply of equip-
ment and machinery. Land for the factory
has been handed over to the Fertilizer Cor-
poration of India by the State Government
and tenders for boundary wall and tube
wells have been issued. The project is
expected to be completed by the middle of
1975. The total manpower required is esti-
mated at about 1400.

Firing by Pakistan in Naya Chhor and killing
of two Jawans

3556. SHRI H. M. PATEL : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the attention of Government
has been invited to a report in the 'Mother-
land' of the 31st July 1972 standing that two
Jawans were killed when the Pakistan
troops opened fire on a group of Indian sol-
diers in Naya Chhor on 29th Jully, 1972 ;
and

(b) if so, reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). Yes. Sir. The
attention of the hon. Member is invited to
the observations made by the Prime Minister in
the House on 31st July 1972 on this point
during the debate on the Simla Agreement*

AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 155

155 Written Amwe^

Time Schedule of p)dj|e^ flying from Calcutta

3558. SHRI SARGJ MUKHERJEE : Will
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL
AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether no time-schedule is maintained
by the planes flying from Calcutta (Dum
Dum) to Siliguri (Bagdogva) and back ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and

(c) what measures have been taken to
see that the time-schedule of its flights on
the aforesaid route is maintained, as circulated
on the 15th June, 1972, by Indian Airlines ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) and (b). There have unfortunately been
delays on this route due to engineering
snags, bad weather etc. Since the same
aircraft operates a number of services,
a delay in one sector often leads to con-
sequential delays all along the line.

(c) Indian Airlines is making concerted
efforts improve the position by keeping a
close watch on reasons for delay and taking
remedial measures wherever possible.

Inconvenience caused to passengers destined for
Darjeeling and Nepal due to Non-observance

of Time-Table of flights from Dum Dum
to Bagdogra

3559. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleaced to state :

(a) whether as a result of not keeping the
time-schedules for the flights from Dum Dum
to Bagdogra according to the latest time-
table dated the 15th June. Il972, the passen-
gers destined for Darjeeling, Nepal and other
places are put to a great inconvenience ;

(b) whether any complain's have been re-
ceived in this regard ; and

THE M1N1STBR OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) to (c). Passengers have been inconvenien-
ced on this sector due to delays resulting

from engineering snags, adverse weather etc.
Some complaints were received by Indian
Airlines which is making concerted efforts to
remedy the position by keeping a dose
watch on reasons for delay and taking reme-
dial action wherever possible.

Working of Monopolies Commission

3560. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India have
inquired into the woricing of the Monopolies
Commission since its inception ;

(b) if so, whether any irregularities
have been found ; and

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AFFA-
IRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) : (a) to
(c). An annual report under section 62 of the
M. R.T.P Act covering the period from 1st
June 1970 to 31 st December 1971 will be placed
before Parliament as early as possible.

Auditing of Accounts of Public Sector
Undertakings

3561. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of the
serious public criticism regarding the concen-
tration of audit work of certain public sector
undertakings in a few firms ; and

(b) if so, the names of the firms which
audit the accounts of public sector under-
takings ?

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AF-
FAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) :
(a) Certain chartered accountant have been
complaining about the concentration of audit
work of public sector undertakings in a few
firms.

The auditors for Government companies
are appointed on the recommendation of
the Comptroller and Auditor General of India.

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BHADRA 3, 1894 C SAKA )

Written Answers 158

The Comptroller and Auditor General has stated
that the work is distributed among as many
firms as possible having regard to the nature
of the undertaking, its location, the location
of the office of the firm of chartered accoun-
tants, their organisational btrengih, experience,
etc He has further stated that the number
of chartered accountants in practice, viz.,
7418, being much more than the number of
Government companies and corporations, the
number of chartered accountants who can be
appointed as the auditors of these Government
companies and corporations is limited.

(b) A statement showing the names of
the firms of chartered accounts which have
been the auditors of Government companies
is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed
inLibraray . See No. LT- 3507/72]

Lack of tourist facilities at Ajanta and Ellora

3562. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :

SHRI R. P. YADAV :

Will the Minister of TOURISM and
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether tourist facilities such as good
quality of food and adequate accommodation
arc lacking at Ajanta and Ellora ; and

(b) if so, the steps Government propose
to take to provide necessary amenities at
Ajanta and Ellora for attracting middle income
tourists and Buddhists pilgrims from outside
and within the country ?

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
(a) and (b). In order to provide amenities
for tourists visiting Ajanta and Ellora, a Can-
teen-cum-Rest House at Ajanta and a canteen
at Ellora were constructed during the Third
Plan period in the Central sector. Subsidy
to the extent of 50% of the actual cost was
also given to the State Government which
constructed tourist bungalows for middle
income group tourists at Fardapur, 3 miles
from. Ajanta, and at Aurangabad, which is
the air-terminal and rail-head for visiting the
caves. In addition, a Reception Centre was
constructed at Jalgaon in the Central Sector
to facilitate visits to the Ajanta caves of
those visitors who travel by rail and disem-
bark at Jalgaon, 36 miles from Ajanta.

In the Fourth Flan, water supply will be
augmented at Ajanta and Ellora in the Central
Sector and the India Tourism Development
Corporation will enlarge and renovate the
Canteen-cum-Rest House at Ajanta and the
Canteen at Ellora. The Department of
Tourism will also construct a youth hostel at
Aurangabad.

Shifting of Headquarters of Sixth Finance
Commission

3563. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the Headquarters of the sixth
Finance Commission are likely to be shifted
outside Delhi ;

(b) if so, the reasons thecefor ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Follow-up action initiated by I.D.B. on
its Survey Reports

3564. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) the follow-up action initiated by the
Industrial Development Bank of India on its
survey reports in respect of projects of five
States and Union Territories ;

(b) which # are these five States and
Union territories ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R.
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The Industrial
Development Bank of India, jointly with
other financial institutions, has initiated
follow-up action on the survey reports on
Assam, Bihar, Jammu and Kashmir, Orissa,
Uttar Pradesh, Tripura and Union Territory
of Arunachel Pradesh.

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 160

The project identified in the survey reports
are mainly based on this resources available
in the respective States and on agriculture,
horticulture, forests, minerals etc. Some of
the projects identified are pulp and paper
units, sugar mills, solvent extraction units,
fruit processing unite, cement factories, etc.

The Committee of Control which guides
and supervises the work relating to the surveys
has held meetings with the representatives of the
State Governments and State level financial ins-
titutions in Assam, Bihar, Orissa, Jammu and
Kashmir and Uttar Pradesh Inter-institutional
groups consisting of representatives of State
Governments, State level institutions like the
State Financial Corporations and State Indust-
rial Development Corporations and banks
have been set up in the above five States to
watch the progress of implementation of
project ideas.

Setting up of Technical Consultancy Ser-
vice by Industrial Development Bank
of India

3565. SHRI C CH1TT1BABU : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Technical Consultancy
Service for each State, pat ticularly in Kerala,
Andhra Pradesh and Assam, has been set up by
the Industrial Development Bank India ; and

(b) if not, the reasons for delay ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). A Technical Con-
sultancy Service Centre known as the Kerala
Industrial & Technical Consultancy Organi-
sation Limited has been set up by the Indust-
rial Development Bank of Indi> at Cochin on
the 7th February, 1972 in participation with
the Government of Kerala, the Industrial
Finance Corporation of India and the 5
nationalised ‘Lead Banks’ in the State, the
Kerala Financial Corporation and the Kerala
State Industrial Development Corporation.
Proposals for setting up similar organisations
in Assam and Andhra Pradesh are under
consideration of the Development Bank.

Taking into consideration the working
experience of the Consultancy Service Centre
in Kerala, the Development Bank is taking
steps to set up similar organisations in the

other States, priority being given to the
backward States.

Assistance to different Categories of
persons under differential interest
Rates scheme of Commercial Banks

3566. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state the nature of assistance availed of by
the Scheduled Tribes, Scheduled Castes,
physically handicapped, people engaged in
cottage and rural industries, indigent students
going in for higher education, the orphanages
and women’s homes under the scheme of
differential interest rates from the date of
introduction, which has been introduced in
public sector commercial banks ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : The public sector
banks were advised about the scheme on
June 3, 1972. They have been attending to
preliminaries such as selection of th: branches
for implementing the scheme, issue of instruc-
tions to branches etc. Banks are required
to submit quarterly reports ending March,
June, September and December each vear.
As the first report will relate to the peiod
ending September, 1972, the requisite infor-
mation about the nature of the assistance
availed of by selected low income groups as
mentioned in the scheme, would be available
only some time after that date.

Gulmarg (Kashmir) declining in Popu-
larity as a Tourist Spot

3367. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state :

(a) whether Gulmarg (Kashmir) is fast
declining in populaiity as a tourist spot ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ;

(d) whether during the recent tourist
season Government did not earn much
foreign exchange at Gulmarg ?

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Written Answers 162

the minister of tourism and

CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :

(a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) In the Fourth Plan a provision of
Rs. 3.38 crores exists in the Central Sector
for developing tourist facilities at Oulmarg.
These include the construction of an aerial
passenger ropeway, other types of 'lifts’,
establishment of an Institute for training
instructors and for imparting training in
skiing and mountaineering, purchase of skis,
mountaineering and snow clearing equipment
of a centrally heated hotel, construction of
the Tangmarg-Gulmarg road, etc. Many of
the facilities mentioned above have already
been provided, and the work on the aerial
passenger ropeway and the hotel will be
taken up during the Plan period, A master
plan of Gulmarg indicating land use and
circulation has also been prepared and present-
ed to the State Government for implementa-
talion. The latter has also made a provision
of Rs. 76.50 lakhs in the State Plan for
providing amenities at Gulmarg such as water,
electricity, loads, accommodation, etc.

(d) Foreign exchange earnings are esti-
mated on an all India basis and not on a
place-wise basis. The country earned appro-
ximately Rs. 40.38 crores m foreign exchange
in 1971 as against approximately Rs. 33 03
crores in 1970. Gulmarg was not open for
winter sports during last winter due to the
conflict with Pakistan.

Replacement of Primary Co-operative
Societies

3568. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether a study prepared for Bank-
ing Commission has favoured replacement
of primary co-operative credit societies by
independent rural banks or subsidiary banks
jointly owned by the nationalised commercial
banks and co-operative Banks ; and

(b) the steps pioposed to replace the
present set up of Primary Co-operative Credit
Societies by independent rural banks or by
branches of Nationalised Banks ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) The Banking Commission
has recommeded the setting up of rural banks
either through the conversion of the Primary
Societies into 'rural banks’ or oy linking them
with commercial banks a S rural subsidiary
banks.

(b) The recommendation is under consi-
deration of the Government.

Utilisation of land in Chittor District of Andhra
Pradesh

3569. SHRI P. NARASIMA REDDY :
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether several blocks of Govern-
ment land stand reserved for the use of
the Defence Department in Chittor District
of Andhra Pradesh ;

(h) ir so, the details of such lands
adjacent to Bangalore-Madras National
Highway falling in Chittor District limits ;
and

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) to (c). The informa-
tion is being collected and will be laid on the
Table of the House.

Expenses of Nationalised Banks

3570. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Ministe/ of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the Nationalised Banks have
been unable to prune their expenses ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and remc*
dies proposed ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b) Expenses of the
nationalised banks comprise interest paid on
deposits and borrowings, salaries and allo-
wances of employees and other operating

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AUGUST 25, 1972

Written Answers 164

expenditure. The expense have been increasing
in keeping with the increase of deposits,
opening of new offices and diversification of
their activities including lending to priority
and neglected sectors. Banks priodioally review
the expenditure under various heads and take
steps to effect economy, wherever possible.

Special Grants to Rajasthan

3571. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether special grants are proposed
to be given to Rajasthan Government to
enable them to clear their overdrafts and over-
come their financial crisis ; and

(b) if so, whether similar grants will be
made to other States also 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH):(a) and (b). The State Government
have requested for assistance for covering
their budgetary deficit in the current year.
However, a deficit does not by itself
qualify for any special assistance. During
the Fourth Plan period. Government of
India are providing special accommodation
(by way of loans) to those States, including
Rajasthan, which may be assessed by the
Planning Commission to have inescapable
gaps in resources. The quantum of accommo-
dation to be given to the State Government
each year is fixed after taking into account
the recommendations of the Fifth Finance
Commission in regard to unavoidable non-
Plan commitments, the scope of economies
in non-Plam expenditure, the efforts to imp-
rove the revenue and tax collections and
mobilisation of other normal budgetary
resources by the State Government.

Completion of Mangalore Fertilizer Project

3572. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Mangalore Fertilizer Pro-
ject will get delayed due to the delay in the
completion of Mangalore Harbour Project ;
and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the
approximate time by which the < fertilizer
project will be completed ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Pre-
sently no delay is expected in the completion
of the Manglore Fertilizer Project taking
into consideration the schedule of completion
of the Mangalore Harbour Project.

(b) Does not arise.

Setting up of machinery to co-ordinate prob-
lems of revision in Pay and Allowances of
Central and State Government Employees

3573 . SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to set up
a machinery for consultation on and a co-ordi-
nated approach to problems, like the revision
of pay scale and allowances of Central and
State Government employees ; and

(b) if so, an outline of the proposal inclu-
ding the composition of the machinery ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). There is no such
proposal at present to set up any machinery
for this purpose.

Replacement of Sur-Tax by Capital levy

3574 . SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have any pro-
posal to replace Sur-tax by capital levy ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STA1E IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The Direct Taxes
Enquiry Committee has recommended in its
Final Report abolition of Sur-tax and intro-
duction of a tax on capital of companies.
These recommendations are being examined
by the Government,

BHADRA 3, 1894 {SAKA)

Written Answers 166

145 Written Answers

Replenishment of Armour by Pakistan

3575. SHR1 N. K. P. SALVE : Will the
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have any infor-
mation about the extent to which Pakistan
has replenished its armour after the December,
1971 war ; and

(b) the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Government have
information on this subject but it would
not be in public interest to disclose it.

(b) The impact of such replenishment on
our security and our defence preparedness is
reviewed from time to time.

Performance of ONGC before 1962-63 and after
and ventures undertaken in other Countries

(a) whether the ONGC has a programme
of various types of service, exploration for
oil and production of indigenous crude ;

(b; the comparative performance of the
ONGC before 1962-63 and after, by way of
amounts spent on the various activities and
results thereof including number of wells
spudded and quantities of crude produced
with its value ; and

(c) the nature of ventures undertaken by
ONGC in other countries and the quantites
of oil that have accrued to the share of
ONGC and whether the same has been used
in Indian refineries ?

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

3576. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH :
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS be pleased to state :

(b). The expenditure incurred on various
operations of ONGC before and after 19o2-63
is given as under : —

(in Rs./Crores)

From 1959-60*

From 1963-64

upto 1962-63

upto 1971-72

(1) Geological Surveys

1-37

204

(2) Geophysical Surveys

279

16-81

(3) Drilling

19*60

203 39

The achievements of ONGC during the same time-periods, in its major operations, are
as follows : —

From 1959-60*
upto 1962-63

From 1963-64
upto 1971-72

(i) Geological Surveys

(a) Detailed and

Semi-detailed

•

Surveys (Sq. Kms).

84,131

55,691

(b) Reconnaissance
Surveys (Sq. Kras.)

Nil

42,105

(ii) Geophysical

(Seismic)

Surveys (Line Kms)

17,201

85.463

(Hi) Drilling

(a) No. or wells

118

828

(b) Metreage
(Metres)

2,27,763

17,16,888

•ONGC came into existence in its present form as a Statutory Corporation in 1959-60,

167 Written Answers

AUGUST 25, 1972

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(iv) Oil/Gas bearing
areas discovered

(v) Production and
despatches of

Oil

(Miilion tonnes)

0*49

22*62

(vi) Supplies of
natural gas
(Million Cubic
metres)

Nil

1919*11

(vii) Receipts from
sale of oil and

Natural gas

(Rs. in Crores)

3*84

259-33

(c) There is only one venture of
ONGC abroad ; this is a joint venture for
exploration and production of oil in an ofT-
shore area in the Persian Gulf. ONGC is
represented in it through its wholly-owned
subsidiary. Hydrocarbons India Pvt. Ltd,
(HIPL), which owns one-sixth of the equity.
The other participants are Phillips Petroleum
Co. of USA and AGIP of I aly, both of
which also have one-sixth each of the equity,
and NIOC of Iran which has half of the
equity. In proportion to their respective equity
participation, half of the oil produced goes to
the share of the NIOC and the remaining half
is shared equally by HIPL, Phillips and
AIGP.

Of the oil produced in the joint venture
upto 16-7-72, 10,900,542 barrels (1*45 miilion
tonnes approx ) came to the equity share of
HIPL. Against its equity share, HIPL so far
has been able to lift 6,9i2,603 barrels (0*92
million tonnes approx.) only, because of the
problem of finding buyers, and it having not
been possible to use this oil in the Indian refine-
ries for various reasons. HIPL however, have
an option to make up this short lifting in
future years, and has actually begun to do
so from January 1972.

Out of the total liftings by HIPL, upto
now, 233,464 barrels (31,000 tonnes approx.)
were sold on a trial basis to the Cochin Re-
fineries Ltd. The remaining quantities were
sold abroad.

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Decline in credit advanced to rural
sector by Nationalised Banks

3578. DR. P. SHARMA : Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state :

(a) Whether credits advanced to the rural
sector by Nationalised Banks have declined
sharply during the last six months :

(b) if so f the comparative figures in this
regard for the period January to June and July
to December, 1970-71 and 1972 (first half) ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN-
ISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI SUSHILA
ROHATGI) : (a) and (b). Statistics on

advance made by nationalised banks separately
to the rural and urban sectors are not main-
tained. Advances to agriculture constitute the
major portion of advance in rural areas. The
following table showing amounts outstanding
of direct agriculture finance to farmers by
nationalised banks from December 1969 to
December 1971 (Latest six monthly available)
would indicate an increasing trend of advances
in this sector.

(Rs. in crores)

Dec.

June

Dec.

June

Dec.

Direct

finance to

farmers

57.91

98.48

127.16

129.64

150.32

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AUGUST 23, 1972

Motion for Admt. 172

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RE. CALLING ATTENTION NOTICE

AND MOTION FOR ADJOURN-
MENT

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM
(Coimbatore) : Sir, I have got a submission
to make

MR. SPEAKER : Not now.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM :
You must protect the rights of Members and
show us an avenue how to get the Railway
Minister. We want to discuss the question
of that railway accident. So many issues are
involved. He would not make a statement ;
he would not accept a Short Notice Question.
You will not allow a Calling Attention
Notice ; you will not allow an adjournment
motion. What is to be done ? How are you
going to protect our rights ? In this matter,

the Railway Minister refuses to budge

(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER ; He is not listening to
me ; I am taking up the Calling Attention
notice.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : In

the Rajya Sabba, this was - discussed

( Interruptions )

12 hra

MR. SPEAKER : It is call-attention
motion that we are to take up now. The
rules of business have to be followed. You
must give certain notice ; I must know what
you are going to ask.

SHRI H, N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta-
North-East) : I had given notice of an adjourn-
ment motion...

MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I know I am
a little puzzled because if a matter is permis-
sible under your guidance... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it.

SHRI H. N MUKERJEE: The near-
paralysis of banking operations in a large
region of our country is certainly the Central
Government's concern The Reserve Bank of
India is a Central Bank ..

MR. SPEAKER : I had asked the Secre-
tary to convey to you that yesterday, much
before that, I had allowed a call-attention
motion...

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : There is a
qualitative difference between adjournment
motion and call-attention motion,

MR. SPEAKER : I did not take it as an
adjournment motion.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : You must
tell us the reasons ...(Interruption)

MR. SPEAKER : There was already a
call-attention motion before me which I had
accepted .

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : It is not a
question of before or after. If it is a permis-
sible matter as an adjournment motion, it has
to be put before the House... (Interrupt ions)

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry, I did not
give my consent to it.

SHRI P1LOO MODY (Godhra) : Before
you take up the calJ-attention...(/^ferrupr/on)

MR. SPEAKER : I am not here to ex-
plain anything, what I have accepted, and
what I have not accepted, why I did not
accept a call-attention motion. I am not here
to explain these things. ( Interruptions )

SHRI PILOO MODY : I have received
a letter from your office...

MR SPEAKER : You can write tome.

SHRI PILOO MODY : The Session is

174

173 Re. C. A. Notice and BHADRA 3, 1894 {SAKA)

Motion for Admt.

coming to an cnd. Each letter takes over a 12.05 his.
week- CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER

OF URGENT PUBLIC

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing it. IMPORTANCE

SHRI PILOO MODY : From the begin-
Ding of the Session I have been trying to
introduce a subject for a call-attention.
Finally I have been informed by your office
that because ten or twelve questions have been
asked of which only one came up for oral
reply, for that reason it cannot be admitted,
I do not think it is an adequate reason for
refusing call-attention. I am not interested
in unstarred replies that may be given : a
bunch of half-truth is contained in written
replies to questions. This is a very important
matter that must be discussed in the House...

MR. SPEAKER : Please resume your
seat.

SHRI PILOO MODY : ...regarding the
monumental fraud committed by ihe Food
Corporation of India, particularly at a time
when we are likely to be short of food
supplies. I cannot understand the mentality
of the House if it cannot discuss a subject like
this at a time like this.

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Dinen Bhatta-
charya,

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : My hon.
friend, Shri H. N. Mukerjee, has already
pointed out the situation that is obtaining in
the Calcutta Reserve Bank of India. We have
received a telegram ; the entire economic life
of Calcutta and also of other places in West
Bengal is affected seriously..,

MR. SPEAKER : It is already before
you.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The strike
may spread to other States also. You can
keep the adjournment motion pending. If we
are not satisfied after hearing the statement,
kindly admit that.

MR. SPEAKER : You must be reasona-
ble,

Mr, Dinen Bhattacharya.

Demands of employees of Reserve
Bank of India, Calcutta and
Government’s reaction
thereto

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA
(Serampore) : I call the attention of the
hon. Minister of Finance to the following
matter of urgent public importance and request
that he may make a statement thereon :

“Demands of the employees of Reserve

Bank of India, Calcutta, and the reaction

of the Government in regard thereto."

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R,
GANESH) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, The Reserve
Bank of India, after a review of the work in
the Department of Non-banking Companies
at Calcutta converted a temporary post of a
record clerk in that Department to that of a
Daftry with effect from 29.7.1972. The
Class IV (Subordinate Staff) Union of the
Calcutta office of the Reserve Bank of India
wanted that the post of the record clerk in the
Department of Non-hanking Companies should
be restored. The Reserve Bank of India
could not agree to this for the reason that the
downgrading of the post was done after a
review of the workload in the Non-banking
Companies Department by its Inspection
Wing.

Class IV (Subordinate Staff) of the
Calcutta office of the Reserve Bank of India
have started an, agitation from 7th August,
1972 as a protest against the action of the
Reserve Bank of India Since 7th August,
1972 the Class IV staff have been abstaining
themselves from work for varying periods
from 1 to 4 hrs. and the work relating to the
bringing out treasure, files etc was not being
attended to. As a result of the agitation the
clearing had to be suspended in the Bank
from the 10th August, 1972, causing incon-
venience to trade and commerce in Calcutta.

Senior officials of Reserve Bank of India
have been holding discussions with the Union
in the presence of the Central Industrial

175 Calcutta R. B. & employee's AUGUST 25, 1972 Demands and Govt.'s 176

reaction (C A.\

[Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya]

Relation Machinery ps well as the West
Bengal authorities. Negotiations are still
continuing with a view to resolve the dispute,
and it is hoped that an amicable settlement
will be reached shortly.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
First of all, I want to express my resentment
at the way the question has been dealt with
by the Minister. Only a few minutes ago,
Mr. Chavan, the Finance Minister, was here
and he did not feel it necessary at least to be
present at the time when his State Minister
replies to the question

The issue is not only concerning
Calcutta. Already the situation has reached
such an extent that all transactions have
almost collapsed or reached a collapsing
condition.

It is also a fact that from the very state-
ment of the Minister it appears that one
employee was degraded, demo'ed or down-
graded, whatever you may say. My first
•question is this. In this Bank there is a
Recognised Union and other Unions are also
there. But on this issue, all the Unions have
been united and are supporting the cause of
the Class IV employees Taking this action
is nothing but a punishment. If you demote
an employee, it is a sort of punishment. If
you downgrade an employee, it is also a
punishment. I want to know whether before
taking this action, the management there had
any consultation with the Unions there,
whether reeognised or non-recognised.

This is not the only question. Sometime
ago, this House discussed about certain issues
in the Reserve Bank, Bombay unit. There
was also the same type of attitude usually
shown by the management. My point is this.
Because of the pigheaded' nature of the
management there in Calcutta, this situation
has been created. Here 1 can mention also
that the Secretary of the All India Bank
Employees' Association, West Bengal Com-
mittee, Mr. Sushir Ghosh, has come forward
with a statement that the management there
also is creating a deadlock so that the situa-
tion may be settled in the near future— for
what reasons, I do not know. But the
statement has come from a very responsible
man.

The West Bengal Government have taken
the initiative to settle the matter and Dr.

Gopal Das Nag, as it has come ia the papers,
has suggested some measures. He suggested
the maintenance of status quo ante , so that
in the meantime the employees and manage-
ment can discuss the matter in a cool atmos-
phere as to what is to be done for the future.
Does the Minister know that a positive
suggestion was given by the Labour Minister
of West Bengal to the management which was
agreed to by the employees, but to which the
management did not agree ? That is why
the impasse has been created. In a cursory
way he said, negotiations are going on. Every
time we hear such sort of replies. I want to
know whether the Minister himself will
intervene in the matter. Will he see that
such a situation does not arise in Calcutta
and other plaees in future ? For a very
trifling matter, the situation becomes worse,
the situation becomes complicated to such an
extent that neither the management nor the
employees want to come to a settlement.

Will he say that the management not only
in Calcutta, but in all the other Centres, do
not behave in this way, where unnecessarily
the employees are bound to resort to strike as
the last weapon. This is my last submission.
I hope the hon. Minister will give proper
replies to my questions.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta North-
East) : Before the reply comes, may we
know your decision on the point of decorum
that he raised ? Mr. Chavan the Finance
Minister was here, without an apology to the
House he walked out immediately after the
Question Hour. This House should not be
treated with this kind of disrespect by
Minister after Minister. The Prime Minister
is hardly present here. The Home Minister
did not come ; Mr. Pant may be quite capa-
ble enough to do the work ; that is a different
matter. Mr. Chavan was here when the
question concerning the Reserve Bank of India
came up.

MR. SPEAKER : Whenever such , ques-
tions were raised a number of times before,
the view was, the Minister of State is there
and it is equally good...

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) :
There are some important developments
today.

177 Calcutta R. B. /. BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Demands and Govt's 178

employees 9 reaction (C.AJ

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
You come to Calcutta and see the situation,
Do you know how serious the situation is ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The Finance
Minister has to meet a delegation which has
come from the World Bank. The hon.
Member is aware that I have been handling
every strike, share the concern expressed by
the hon. Member. He said that the strike
at Calcutta has created a situation in which
normal trade and commerce in Calcutta
stands paralysed May I know what is the
issue on which the strike has taken place ?

I want to put these things very squarely before
the honourable House. We have a responsi-
bility to the industrial working class. Like-
wise they have a responsibility which they
have to discharge. I would have expected
him to frame his question in a different form.
But since he has framed it in this manner, I
would ask him : What was the issue
involved ? What happened was this. One
temporary record clerk in the non- banking
companies department of the Reserve Bank
in Calcutta, ’after the inspection unit verified
the workload, was downgraded to the post of
a daftry.

Let us not go into the merits of whether
this downgrading was correct or not. Let
us not go into the merits of whether the
inspection unit took a correct decision or
not. Is it in the interests of the nation and
is it in the interests of the working class that
this one single decision should have brought
the entire industrial life of Calculla into a
state of paralysis ? This is one question
which I put to the hon. Member’s conscience,
first in his capacity as a trade unionist

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :
Let him answer my question. He is here
to answer my question. I am not here to
answer his questions.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : 1 am here to

put the matter squarely ; I am here to take
advantage of this forum for that purpose

MR*. SPEAKER : Let him not talk of
conscience. Why does he enter into this
question of conscience ? What has the
House to do with conscience ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I have indicated
the real issue on which the strike took place.

The hon. Member has said that this down-
grading amounts to ft punishment. When
the inspection unit of the Reserve Bank went
into the records in the non-banking companies
department, they came to the conclusion that
this particular post was not necessary, and,
therefore, they recommended this.

The present position is that the Chief
Minister of West Bengal, the Labour Minister
of West Bengal, and the Regional Labour
Commission (Central) in West Bengal, and
the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank
are in the process of consultation, and they
have almost come to a point where agreement
could be reached. Further consultations are
going on. I think any further explanation
at this* stage will not help the process of
consultation and the process of coming to a
settlement which has already been initiated
there.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :

I seek your protection. Sir. I had put a
specific question

MR. SPEAKER : Rather, I must seek
his protection.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA :

I am always at your command. I shall
abide by whatever you ask me to do. My
simple question is whether downgrading is a
sort of punishment or not. I am using the
term used by the hon. Minister in his state-
ment.

MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Minister
has given the factual information already

SHRI DINF.N BHATTACHARYYA :
He has* not specifically replied to my question
whether downgrading tantamounts to a major
punishment or not. What does his conscience
say now ? Let him be frank.

MR. SPEAKER : Is the whole trouble
just over one clerk ?

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Yes, it is only
one clerk who is involved, and the whole
trouble is over that only

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA
It is a question of principle.

179 Calcutta R. B . !« employees' AUGUST 25, 1972 Demands and Govt.'s 180

reaction (C.A.)

SHRl A. P. SHARMA (Buxar) : What
a pity that so much time of the House is
being taken on a calling-attention-notice on
the case of one single individual, ( Inter -
ruptions)

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR

(Mathurapur) : I am sorry at the manner
in which the statement has been given. It
does not refer to the economic situation in the
eastern region. The Statesman says :

“The clearing of cheques and drafts
mostly from outstation offices continue
to worry businessmen and traders, almost
completely dislocating the financial
transactions ; even it affects the common

man This to some extent has

created a scarcity of notes and coins in
some areas.”

“The worst sufferers are the small traders
and common man who do not enjoy high
credit facilities from the banks' 1 .

This is the economic situation in the eastern
region. It is not a question of Calcutta alone
being affected.

The statement refers to reversion of
“a temporary post of a record clerk in that
Department to that of a Daftry with effect
from 29-7-72”. When this Daftry was
promoted to the post of Record Clerk, was it
recommended by the Research Wing or not ?
If yes, when was he promoted and after what
time this post has been declared unnecessary ?

My second question : The West Bengal
Labour Minister, Dr. Gopal Nag met the
RBI management and suggested restoration of
status quo ante. This formula of the West
Bengal Government was not accepted by the
RBI management. According to newspaper
reports, the West Bengal Government circles
‘feel that the intransigence of the management
stands in the way of a settlement’.

Again there are newspaper reports that
Shri Ahluwalia, Chief Manager of the Reserve
Bank went to Calcutta to negotiate a settle-
ment, but he came back. What was the
formula he offered to the employees 7 Why
did the Reserve Bank management at Calcutta
could not accept the status quo ante formula
of the West Bengal Government ?

My third question : Sometime back
there was a strike in the Bombay branch of
the RBI over suspension of two employees
there. Then the Union Labour Minister and
Union Finance Minister intervened to settle
it. Why is it that neither of them is coming
forward to have a settlement in this case
also ? Why have they left it to the whims
of the bureaucrats ? I want the Minister
who showed some sort of bureaucratic attitude
when he replied to Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya
to reply like a politician and not like a
bureaucrat.

SHRI K R. GANESH : The temporary
post was created in November 1967. When
it was created as a temporary post, the idea
was that it should be reviewed. In June
1972, after the Inspection Wing went into the
whole matter, they considered it superfluous
and it was downgraded to the post of Daftry.
This is the factual position.

The Labour Minister and the Chief
Minister of West Bengal have been taking
interest in this matter. Various proposals
have been made. I would not take the time
of House to detail the various points which
are now under consideration and discussion .
In these discussions that are going on, the
Reserve Bank management itself has been
taking a view with a view to coming to a
settlement.

The hon Minister asked why the Finance
Ministry is not intervening in the matter.

I made this point clear in the beginning
that there is an elaborate machinery set up.
The Reserve Bank is a statutory body. They
have been negotiating with them. They have
got recognised unions, and they have got
a federation and the federation has not yet
taken up this issue. The federation had
given its own proposals. As far as the
question of this record clerk and daftari is
concerned, the proposals are there. As for
the clerk who was found surplus as a record
clerk in the non-banking company department,
a new post has been created in another
department of the Reserve Bank where work
is there, and one of the proposals is that he
will be posted there from the date he was
found surplus here. This is a concrete
proposal which has been made, and it has
been accepted by the Reserve Bank,

The second concrete proposal it that
consequent to that, some juniov persons who

181 Calcutta R. B. I. BHADRA 3,

employees

were transferred here and there or degraded,
will also be brought back to the original
position.

The poirit is, how should this strike period
has to be treated. In this also, various
concessions have been made by the Reserve
Bank, as far as the strike period is concerned.
They have not been found acceptable to the
employees.

I once again bring this point, if you
permit me, to say that a simple matter of this
type has brought about this whole collapse
of economic life in Calcutta Either there is
something wrong in the very concept of trade
unionism in which we involve ourselves, or
there is a way to be found somewhere.
There are so many machineries. I am not
going into the merits of the question. I have
given you the details, the details of the
negotiations of the Labour Minister and the
Chief Minister of West Bengal. I congratulate
them that they are taking interest in coming
to a settlement on this issue, at that level.

I want to pose this question again, with
the permission of the Chair ; that this is a
simple matter of one clerk. There are a
number of channels through which such a
matter could have been settled instead of
bringing the entire economic life in Calcutta
to a halt. So, not only the Reserve Bank
should think about the problem, but I think
the unions and the union leaders have also
got to think about it. They cannot be
allowed to hold the community to ransom on
an issue of this nature.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : The
Minister has always been saying that this
is a simple matter, that this is a question of
a clerk—

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. Please
sit down.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: I
am not asking any question.

MR. SPEAKER : That is why I am
asking you to sit down.

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR :

I want to mention that this is not a simple
matter as stated by the Minister. It is a

1894 (SAKA) Demands and Govt.'s 182
reaction ( C.A .)

matter affecting the economic situation, affair,
of a clerk. I do not mind if a Minister is
ousted or a Minister is demoted or an MLA
or an MP is ousted. I do not mind that.
But this is a matter of a clerk who is very
ill-paid. That is why it is not a simple
. matter.

MR. SPEAKER : I allowed a Call
Attention motion on this matter, on which
they were asking for an Adjournment Motion.
Now, I am still more surprised after hearing
the facts.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Sir,
today I am extremely surprised to see the
exhibition of progressive conscience of a
progressive Marxist Minister in this House,

( Interruption ) contrary to all the principles
that he professes. He was just going to
defend the bureaucratic highhandedness of a
manager, who was tactless in dealing with a
matter which, according to the Minister, is so
simple, and the arrogance the local bank
manager showed in refusing to attend the
meeting that was convened by the Labour
Minister of West Bengal. He congratulated
the West Bengal Ministers, but he did not
have a word to say against the manager who,
in his height of arrogance and intrinsigence,
refused to attend the meeting that was con-
vened by the Labour Minister. I am really
surprised to see that the Minister was time
and again saying that these are simple
matters. He was once proud of calling him-
self a Marxist. It is not a question of one
person.

SHRI KR. GANESH : Sir, on a point
of order. I do not understand the hon.
Member trying to mix up this question with
my calling myself Marxist. I think he may

speak on the subject under discussion

( Interruptions )

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I did not use
that term from the political party affiliation
point of view. That term has a different
connotation. A person who calls himself a
Marxist has a different way of approaching
a thing. . .{Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER Please do not be
irrelevant.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is not irrele-
vant. A person who ideologically believes
in certain...

183 Calcutta R. B. Iji employees' AUGUST 25, 1972

Demands and Govt.'s 184
reaction ( C.A. )

MR. SPEAKER : When the Minister
has contradicted it. why should he go on
persisting in it ?

SHR1 SAMAR GUHA : He said it is
a very simple issue. A man has been down-
graded because his post was declared suiplus.
But a question of principle is involved here.
Firstly, the person whom the Minister called
as a temporary incumbent is a permanent
employee of that Bank ; but he was given a
temporary job. Then, they have admitted
that it is down-grading from record clerk to
daftri. Any person who has a certain element
of self-respect is bound to protest against this.
And if the union to which he belongs does
not protest against this, I should say that
union has no right to exist. It is a serious
question. It is a question of dignity ef employ-
ment of an officer, whether he is temporary
or permanent. If the Government had pro-
vided him with a post of equivalent status
and dignity, one could have understood the
answer of the government.

Then the Minister referred to the workload.
We know what workload means. If you visit
any government office, you will know the
nature of the workload and how government
employees are working. Yet, the workload
of this poor record clerk becomes a very im-
portant criteria for which that person has to
be down-graded, degraded and dishonoured and
put in a very undignified position as a daftri.
If such a man can be down-graded, to use his
own word, the same fate may await the other
employees also. Therefore, it is the inherent
right of any trade union organisation to defend
such a case when a question of principle is
involved. It is not a question of one indi-
vidual but a question of principle. Therefore,
the trade union has done right thing in taking
up this case.

This is the 18th day of the strike and
this is the tenth day of stopping of clearance
of bank cheques by the Reserve Bank of
India. By this time the West Bengal State
Labour Minister, the Chairman of the Bharat
Chamber of Commerce, the President of the
Engineering Association and many others have
sent a number of telegrams to the Central
Minister to intervene because this strike has
created a mess, a deadlock in the economic
activity in West Bengal. More than Rs. 400
crores of cheques are not being cleared and
no further cheques are being accepted . Can

you imagine more than Rs. 400 crores of che-
ques not being cleared ? The result is almost
dislocation of the trade and industry. The
trade and industry will have to pay huge
demurrage. The movement of raw materials
and finished goods through West Bengal is
also very largely affected. This has created
a very serious situation. If they consider it
as so simple why is it that a Minister has to
fly between Delhi and Calcutta ?

Here I again want to refer to the arrogance
of the management of the Reserve Bank of
India. The officer in charge at Calcutta
refused to meet the Labour Minister when
he invited him. If it is not going to seriously
affect the structure of the bank, if it is not
going to seriously affect the finances of the
bank organisation ; if it is not going to, in any
big way, affect it —the West Benal Government
made a request that the effect is going to be
serious ; it has almost led to a complete dis-
location — why don't you maintain the status
quo ? Was that not a reasonable approach ?

This is the 18th day of s'rikc. Without
leaving the whole issue, if the Government
consider it so simple, in the hands of an
arrogant, intransigent, Manager, why not one
of the Ministers ily to Calcutta and get the
matter settled ?

I want to know whether the Finance
Ministry received the request, a telegram, from
the Bengal Government, not today but about
10 days before or a week before, and also by
all the Chambers of Commerce and Industry
of West Bengal to intervene in the matter
and, if so, why the Government did not take
prompt action to intervene in the matter.

Secondly, I want to know whether the
Minister would ask for an explanation from
the Bank Manager as to why he refused to
attend the meeting that was convened by the
West Bengal Government Labour Minister for
solution of this problem. I want to know
whether it is a fact that the West Bengal
Government made a request to maintain the
status quo and that they go to the negotia-
ting table to settle the matter without creating
any deadlock in trade and commerce.

I want to know what is the Chief Minis-
ter’s formula that has been found favour with
the Government. What is the nature of
that ?

185 Calcutta /?. B. /. BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Demand's and Govt.'s 186
employees' reaction (C.A .)

There is another thing. The clearance of SHRI K.R. GANESH : In the Reserve

cheques was not refused by the Bank emplo-
yees. It is the Bank itself that stopped the
clearance. The strike started on the 7th and
from the 10th, the Bank itself, not the emp-
loyees, stopped the clearance of the cheques.
Why could they not get the cheques cleared
through the State Bank of India ?

Then, I want to know whether the demur-
rage will be given to these concerns of trade
and business who have suffered losses as a
result of the bungling of the whole affair by
the Government.

SHRI K.R. GANESH : The hon. Mem-
ber has raised three or four points which I
will answer. As I have said earlier, this
was a temporary post, deliberately categorised
a temporary post because the Reserve Bank
was not sure of this post, whether this post
will be necessary or not.

The hon. Member has used a word “self-
respcct’* not knowing the kind of work, the
difference between the work that a daftri
and a record clerk is doing... {Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t interrupt
him. Have patience to listen to him. The
Minister listened to him patiently. ( Interrup •
tions ).

SHRI K.R. GANESH : I object to that
word. He cannot take advantage of that.
He should withdraw it. ( Interruption )

MR. SPEAKER : It is very much in
bad taste If he wants to speak in terms of
such words, it is very difficult to transact the
business of the House. Tomorrow, if
somebody were to say it to you, you will feel
hurt. I do not like it ; it is not in good taste
at all. ( Interruption ) He cannot control
his temper.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I am also
responsible to that poor man. What am I
for ? Am I not a people’s representative 7
( Interruption )

MR/ SPEAKER : May 1 request you
to sit down 7 How to deal with him ? He
is a problem to me ; he is a headache to
everybody. Kindly sit down. ( Interruption )
He is a very touchy man. What to do ?

**Not Recorded

Bank, Class IV employees consist of peons,
daftries and record clerks. The nature of
work prevalent in the Reserve Bank of these
categories... (Interruption). These are impor-
tant ; you are trying to avoid going into
details.

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SHRI K.R. GANESH : As I was saying,
the nature of work of a daftri and a peon in
the Reserve Bank is to replace all current
files while the duties of a record clerk are to
attend to the maintenance of non-current
files for the requisitioning of which there is a
special procedure. Because he has used the
word 'self-respect*. I have tried to explain the
real nature of work. The Reserve Bank
record clerk also belongs to Class IV category.
Of course, the scale of pay is very high ; a
record clerk gets Rs. 491 whereas a peon gets
Rs. 306. The other question was

MR. SPEAKER : The only question
is, you could have paid him life-time salary
if this strike had not taken place. Now you
have lost so much because of that.

SHRI K R. GANESH: I agree that the
strike should not have taken place. There
has to be some responsibility. On these issu-
es which aie being placed before the House-
strike in Calcutta and various other things-
on the one hand rigidity on behalf of the
management has to be avoided and on the
other hand irresponsibility and negativism of
trade unions have to be avoided. Then only
we will be able to come to. - (Interruption)

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : He was talking
about West Bengal Minister...

MR. SPEAKER : He need not be
recorded. He is speaking without my per-
mission.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA**

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187 Calcutta R. 2 &* 7 . employees' AUGUST 25, 1972 Re, Rly. accident near 288
Demands and GovtSs reaction (C.A.) Kadayanallur

SHRI MANORA^JAN HAZRA (Aram-
bagh) : The Minister has stated in his state-
ment that after inspection and review of
certain wing, the employees had been down-
graded. There were trade unions ; they had
notbeen consulted. Even the Labour Minister of
West Bengal has stated that status quo should
be maintained. In spite of those facts, they
are violating the fundamental right of emplo-
yees which is guaranteed under the Industrial
Disputes Act and also in the Constitution.
It is a question why the man was downgraded.
He has the right to make protest and he did
so along with his colleagues, and the union
took up the cause standing by him. The
whole economic situation in West Bengal has
been paralysed due to strike. It is high time
that we took up the question of fundamental
rights of employees. We urge upon the hon.
Minister to take note of it so that a peaceful
and honourable settlement can be arrived at.
He has stated in his statement that an amica-
ble settlement is to be arrived at. I would
like to have a reply from the hon. Minister
that if the demand of the employees is justi-
fied, then an amicable settlement can be
arrived at Otherwise, if this attitude which
the hon Minister has shown in this House is
continued, then there can be no settlement.
But shall I request the hon. Minister to be
sympathetic to the cause of the employees of
the Reserve Bank as well as the citizens of
West Bengal and the citizens of India.

SHRI K R. GANESH : The only point
to be answered in the hon. Member’s question
is that since the negotiations are now being
conducted at the level of the Chief Minister
of West Bengal with whom the Deputy Go-
vernor of the Reserve Bank had an exhaustive
discussion, and the points of dispute have
been narrowed down and the only point in
dispute is now how to treat the strike period
wages, does it not require that at least on this
point of difference further negotiations could
take place and the strike be called off ? The
whole dispute has been now narrowed down
only to the point as to how this strike period
wages have got to be adjusted. For that
also, the Reserve Bank has put forward a new
formula before the Chief Minister. The
Chief Minister and the Labour Minister have
conveyed to the Class IV Employees' Union
this new formula which they have not found
acceptable.

I would appeal to the Members that since
the issue has been narrowed down, let the

strike be called off now and normalcy restored
and this narrow issue can be settled by any
of the various machinery. They can even g 0
to the Conciliation Officer or for adjudica-
tion. They can go to the Labour Court.

There is no question of not having any
sympathy. But the question I have been
trying to pose is that this issue which is a
simple issue has triggered off such a huge
dispute bringing the entire life of Calcutta to
a stand-still. So, let the Government as well
as yourselves see how this can be solved.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER
(Ausgram) : I want to appeal to the Minister
that instead of making it a prestige issue, the
Government should take up the matter imme-
diately and settle the matter at the earliest
possible time.

I would like to ask the Minister what
amount of business was affected by the strike
by Class IV staff of RBI. If it is not settled,
the strike may spread over the whole county.
So, this is not a simple issue. This is not a
simple matter. Take it seriously and try to
settle it at the earliest possible. I want to
know whether the Central Government is
going to take the initiative or not in the
matter.

SHRI K.R. GANESH : About the amo-
unt of business affected, I have not got the
figures.

About the other question, all efforts arc
being made to settle the matter as early as
possible.

12.49 hrs.

RE. RAILWAY ACCIDENT NEAR
KADAYANALLUR ON SOUTHERN
RAILWAY

MR. SPEAKER : Papers to be laid.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : I have sought your permission
to raise a matter...

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM
(Coimbatore) : You permitted me to raise
the question about the railway accident near

189 R?* B.O.H .

BHADRA 3, 1894

jRe. fl. 0 . . 190

Kadayaoallur. Let the Minister make a
statement. You can call upon the Minister
to make a statement about the head-on colli-
sion of an Express train with a stationary
train...

MR. SPEAKER : We informed him
about it and we will remind him.

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM :
He would not reply to a short notice ques-
tion nor would he take a call attention
motion-..

SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY YA

(Serampore) : A very difficult bureaucrat.

MR. SPEAKER : I will ask the Railway
Minister about it.

1 2.50 his.

RE. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : I have sought your permission
to raise an important matter. This is with
icgard to the Demand that is coming up.
How do you expect us to make up our mind
and to exercise our judgment for or against
the Demand ?

MR. SPEAKER : Not now ; the item
is coming up at another time, not now.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : It
relates to transitional allowances of rules of
Indian States ; this is an exceptional Demand.
This is not an enlargement of the existing
Demand, but this is something different, we
should have all the information. Otherwise
it would be difficult for us to make up our
mind on this matter.

MR. SPEAKER : It is Item No. 11. It
comes up at another time, not now.

SllRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Before we come to discuss this matter we
must be in full possession of all information
which would enable us to exercise our judg-
ment. Otherwise how can we do it ? It
should be your concern as it is the concern
of ourselves.

MR. SPEAKER : 1 have already for-

warded the letter to him...

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :
There was a question on this matter the other
day and we were told by the Minister that
Supplementary Demands are coming for some
amounts to be given as transitional allow-
ances. When questions were asked as to
what were the details, what was the amount,
how these were to be calculated, etc. Mr. Mir-
dha said it was coming up in the Supplementay
Grants. He said, all the detailed information
will be given there. But now we don’t find
any such details here. That is the point.

MR. SPEAKER : I also thought of it
when Mishraji invited my attention to it and
I have forwarded your letter. Let us see
what he says But the item is coming up
much later. Either it may come today or
tomorrow. When it comes I will see ; in the
meantime I hope I will have some informa-
tion on the subject. Please don’t think I have
made up my mind on any issue ; I am quite
open.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: It
must be as much your concern- m fact, your
greater concern, Sir.

MR. SPEAKER : Let it come ; at that
time. I will see.

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJBAHADUR) : May
I say for the information of Shri Mishraji,
that for tomorrow we have already kept this
Bill, Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of
Privileges) Bill ? It is already there. It
will be discussed. All the information that
he wants will be given-. .

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
That does not relate to this item.

MR. SPEAKER : I have not applied
my mind yet over it. But, from common-
sense point of view, I think, this Bill should
have to come first and then only the Supple-
mentary Grants. I do realise your keenness
to do it, put at the same time, we are also
bound by certain procedures and conventions.
I would advise, you should first pass the Bill
and then come for Supplementary Grants.,.

191 Re, Drought in Bihar

AUGUST 25, 1972

Papers Laid 192

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Sir, that is
exactly what we are doing that is exactly the
commonsense point of view which we are
applying. The Bill will come first. We will
pass the Bill first.

MR. SPEAKER : So, there is no dis-
pute now.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: This comes
under Tomorrow's Legislative Business,
Bills for consideration and passing : The
item is : The Bill further to amend certain
enactments consequent on derecognition of
Rulers of Indian States and abolition of privy
purses, so as to abolish the privilege of Rulers
and to maKe certain transitional provisions
to enable the said Rulers to adjust progressi-
vely to the changed circumstances, be taken
into consideration. That is coming up tomor-
row. The Suppementary Demands would
be taken up after that Bill has been passed.

MR. SPEAKER : I am not prepared to
block this business purely on procedural
grounds, but where broad principles are con-
cerned, we shall try to adjust the business
according to them. The Bill will come up
first and then the Supplementary Demands.

I think that it is a very important subject,
and mere procedural obstructions should not
come except where they are very necessary and
very urgent, and hope the hon. Member agrees
to it. I thank him very much bringing this
to my notice.

12.54 hrs.

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PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE
Notifications under Navy Act

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN
SHUKLA): On behalf of Shri Jagjivan
Ram, I beg to lay on the Table a copy each
of the following Notifications (Hindi and
English versions) under section 185 of the
Navy Act, 1957 :

(1) The Naval Ceremonial, Conditions
of Service and Miscellaneous (Third

**Not recorded.

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SHR1MATI GAYATR1 DEVI OF
JAIPUR (Jaipur) : I object to th»t. That
is a personal allegation against Jaipur City
Palace Museum. Not one thing has gone out
of the palace for sale, except for five carpet*-

ISA • Antiquities and

AUGUST 25, 1972

Art Treasures Bill 200

[SM*Ptl>Gg»tri Devi] ■-

which tin offered first tothe National Museum
afid then they wen sent and sold abroad.
Then has been a theft in the City Palace
Museum about the same time as there was
otp in the National Museum, and the CB1 is
investigating it. Not one thing has gone out
of* the City Palace collection. We are trying
to! acquire ; not sell. It is a museum ; not
ajttivatc collection. It is a trust formed in
1950 .

TW : HTaatTO Sa?*IT TO
aaa ar*re at ate arai mffq afhc «ft
#ar a*#f | aaat at ate *<caT arffir
a^T g?t TOt TOff^ft SW3fte
am aft «re f i anfamrofaaw faateJfe
% *w#tot mrea at it* aafiaa % oft
Wwa # am nSTOa # TOfm* # I
irtT afRI | f* ?a ^ ffow SJTT'TTT #
mroft arfaa 1 1 forfeit aa to

*# ap3T*r R5T# 'arfftr | gvfftrRR *T
R$» fa# aft R# RTTO R 5TRR fTO#*

*f#f, aft # arafnsTcf amffaaT affc

fRI# % RTfT TO ?h ?aat
g#t ata-aasia ft#t mff«? i 59 ?a aro

TO | fa STaR *t W TOR TO TOT SR WRT

aw arta-afta #w % mtft maaret if ?s%

8WWTT aw *T to % I TOR R# fWft

* *

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amfr •& to *rtftaa tfaaa, mittm,

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garret at R^t itar, it gfraf *t arftrt
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mat Jf ttt % straan at mar
fast aare: % TO?aat at aft ^at arfft? 1
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ara ®aa ft?s aa ^ar arffir;
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at arm aft *at rnffir 1 it* af etitto at

faaa if |aat aaTO 1 1

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awf i ft TreaTT at' ^ aat fia Jf Jr
%ar arffir 1 ^ ^a^t ftaraa «fr, aa

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ftq smafifta atr Treaa vft a^f| 1 aaat
frerfa aga grra ft aaJf Jt atftat
awifft Jr ^t araft | atr af vft ama |,
a^t fa af a Jt aaga at»ff ^ aaar ar#
am# % faq ^aro ft%ara faro | ate
a#t aw«t T*Jf Jrar a?| arfr #a r| |
3ftr aa $ 1 ?a aaw araf at mta Jf
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aafiaat at tot# fra # #ar arftq i

193 Messages from R. S. BHADRA 3, 1894 < SARA )

Assent to BUls *194

Amendment) Regulations, 19/2,
published in Notification No. S.R.O.
169 in Gazette of India dated the
15th July, 1972.

(2) The Naval Ceremonial, Conditions .
of Service and Miscellaneous (Fourth
Amendment) Regulations, 1972,
published in Notification No. S. R.
O. 222 in Gazette of India dated
the 12th August, 1972. [Placed
in Library . See No. LT-3494/72]

Notifications under Customs Act

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : I beg to lay on the Table a
copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi
and English versions) under section 159 of
the Customs Act, 1962

(1) G. S. R. 440 (E) published in Ga-
zette of India dated the 24th June,
1972 together with an explanatory
memorandum.

(2) G. S. R. 931 published in Gazette of
India dated the 5th August, 1972
together with an explanatory memo-
randum. [Placed in Library . See
No. LT — 3495/72]

Notifications under Monopolies
and Restrictive Trade Prac-
tices Act

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF COMPANY AFFAIRS
(SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA) : I beg to
lay on the Table a copy of the Monopolies
and Restrictive Trade Practices (Third Amend-
ment) Rules 1972 (Hindi and English versious)
published in Notification No. G. S. R. 321
(E) in Gazette of India dated the 22nd June,
1972, under sub-section (3) of section 67 of
the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices
Act, 1969. [Placed in Library . See No
LT— 3496/72]

12.57brs.

MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report
the following messages received from the Sec-
retary of Rqjya Sabha

(i) “In accordance with the provisions of
rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure
and Conduct of Business in the Rtuya
Sabha, I am directed to inform the
Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha,
at its sitting held on the 22nd
August, 1972, passed, in accordance
with the provisions of article 368 of
the Constitution of India, without any
amendment, the Constitution (Thir-
tieth Amendment) Bill, 1972, which
was passed by the Lok Sabha at its
sitting held on the 17th August,
1972.”

(ii) “In accordance with the provisions
of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the
Rules of Procedure and Conduct of
Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am
directed to return herewith the Taxa-
tion Laws (Amendment) Bill. 1972,
which was passed by the Lok Sabha
at its sitting held on the 18th August.
1972, and transmitted to the Rajya
Sabha for its recommendations and
to state that this House has no recom-
mendations to make to the Lok
Sabha in regard to the said Bill/*

(iii) “In accordance with the provisions
of rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure
and Conduct of Business in the
Rajya Sabha, I am directed to inform
the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha,
at its sitting held on the 23rd August,
1972, agreed without any amendment
to the Paojab New Capital (Peri-
phery) Control (Chandigarh Amend-
ment) Bill, 1972, which was passed
by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held
on the 18th August, 1972".

12.59 hrs.

ASSENT TO BILLS

SECRETARY : 1 also lay on the Table
following 2 Bills passed by the Houses of
Parliament during the current session and
assented to since a report was last made to
the House on the 31st July, 1972

(1) The Supreme Court (Bahifentnt of
Criminal Appellate furisdfctkMi)

Amendment bill, 1972.

195 Antiquities and

AUGUST 25, 1972

Art Treasures Bill 196

{Secretary]

(2) The Indian Telegraph (Amendment)
Bill, 1972.

COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF
MEMBERS FROM THE SITT-
INGS OF THE HOUSE

Seventh Report

SHRI S. C. SAMANTA (TAMLUK) : I
beg to present the Seventh Report of the
Committee on Absence of Members from the
Sittings of the House.

13 hrs.

ANTIQUITIES AND ART TREA-
SURES BILL — Contd.

MR. SPEAKER : The House will take
up further consideration of the following
motion moved by Prof. S. Nurual Hasan on
the 23rd August, 1972, namely

“That the Bill to regulate the export trade
in antiquities and art treasures, to provide
for the prevention of smuggling of, and
fraudulent dealings in, antiquities, to pro-
vide for the compulsory acquisition of
antiquities and art treasures for preserva-
» tion in public places and to provide for
certain other matters connected therewith
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken
into consideration”.

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh may now continue
his speech.

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205 Antiquities and

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the minister of education,

SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I plead not
guilty.

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arT? % fir! OTT fH cTTg aft ^aff aft
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'll ?! 3ft am a? i^Z «TT 3S ! ?| WTcT
*ft aftr 1947 OT aft !af «n 3?! aft ?g
*tT ftr :

"Antiquities Export Control Act. 1947.

"No persdn shall export any antiquity
except under the authority of a licence
granted by the Central Government.”

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aftfar! ftr 1947 % an? aftf

9fwfr aFffaifdtJr ^rarr? frtarr^ aftr?|

Art Treasures Bill 206

amt Tent aft arr^T arm aftf arr£ aft
^tar Hz ami | at wt ?? !ot fr
TFaFeTT | I OTT T^t fir % OTT ft?!* 1 am
ot sft ifa*?T 3 «rr ^*iif «tt fir anrr aftf
aft firjft aran-Ffer aft arc^r $r

annr =ar^r | eft ?| ^ r% fw! 'Rfimn %

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^ fi?f?5 nar | i ?ar^t f^FfFenn %
arwrasiTt aftT arwrnfrnft aft eiaaftar ^t
srrnrft i arn? fawt % am afrf aps^r
fT yt 1 3ftr ^ ararr an nnt |, ar^r
aft tot arT! ?tot aftf ?fr arfi
airaT ara! wt Jr aft! strz ^t ^tar
t^ot ?T?ar | ot| fainat ft aflm
an it, eft <?nr firfi^T arf%

!?n fiar artft ait !^r faraJf arft
at aft % fir^ fiar am ^ar i

Jt^ fa fans % nr! a^aiar !% 1 1 53
aga aarata itar | !mrr far arfa
ar??t Jf %fa?^wa mm wtzxt 1 1 am! ar?r
far in aafiar arr! 1 1 %fira am ! fait
3r??T aft! afaafs? aft ffirfaaa ait ?t 1

am iot a«T% itaaa 8 atfar! 1 aa*f
firerr gar | :

Every licence granted under this section
shall be on payment of such fees as may be
prescribed.

Every licence granted under this section
shall for such period, subject to such condi-
tions and in such form and shall contain such
particulars, as may be prescribed.

Cl. 9 : (1) A licence granted under Section
8 may, on an application made by the licencee,
be renewed by the licensing officer for such

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

207 Antiquities and AUGUST 25,

[«ft sun] i

period and on paymqftl of such fees as may
be prescribed. \

Cl. 10 (1) Every holder of a licence granted
under section 8.. .shall maintain such records,
photographs., such particulars, as may be
prescribed. 9 *

13*28 hrs.

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ]

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ft samr wr *rer ^farr ftfar
^fTT rt^tt g fa :

“which is as prescribed"

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ft f ¥ <R ftt HR fc^T I f¥ affa

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| fa sft qfcr gtftt ¥g ftt ¥faftft¥ qrer
ft ftftt I ¥PT am artf qfr* ft¥T
«ngft |

“But the rate of tax which is an essen-
tial part of 'declaration and assessment
have been completely delegated to the exe-
cutive Government with no principle or
basis laid down. Uncontrolled power is
vested in the Executive to fix such rate
as it pleases. In the absence of legislative
provision regarding any policy or limits
of assessment for guidance of a legislative
authority, it must be held that the pro-
visions of the section amount to excessive de-
legation by legislative power, and, therefore,
invalid.**

1972 Art Treasures SOI

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qfte'tr sftaRSfcsr m.ft srrr^

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5m«% qft fRftf* ap^ft aPT 5R¥ aft
arrant 1

Suppose you revoke the licence for a parti-
cular person who holds licence ; you say, 1
revoke today, without giving any reason. Now,
you ask him : You please dispose of your
property within such and such limit, within
such and such months. He says : Nobody is
ready to purchase it. You say, No. You say,
no such thing shall be sold after a period of
say, 6 months/ You say, from the date of
revocation of licence. Why do you say like
this ? Why don't you say, you can sell proper-

201 Antiquities and BHADRA i, 1094 (SAKA) Art Treasures bitt 202

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209 Antiquities and

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Art Treasures Bill 210

t y any time but to that person who holds the
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licensing officer may, after holding such
inquiry as he deems fit, grant a licence to
the applicant having regard to the follow-
ing factors, namely...'*

First you say, ‘as he deems fit’ ; then you lay
down the criteria. In the end in (d) you
say ‘such other factors as may be prescribed’.
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SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : Let him continue. It is very impor-
tant.

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difficulty is that what can be said in two
sentences is blown up into a hundred or two
hundred sentences.

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one sentence :

“Today when the., peril to the individual
comes not from the Monarch but from
the departments of State, who seek some-
times to take for themsefives powers which
the law has not conferred upon them,
let it be remembered that it is the duty of
judges to see that the individual is pro-
tected from whatever quarter he may be
threatened and to see that justice is
administered to him in accordance with
law”—

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*SHRI E. R KR1SHNAN (Salem) : Hon.
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my
party, the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, I
rise to say a few words on the Antiquities and
Art Treasures Bill 1972. The principal
objective of this Bill is to provide legislative
measures for controlling the export of objects
of antiquarian or historical interest or signi-
ficance. This Bill also seeks to piovide for
the prevention of smuggling of and fraudulent
dealing in antiquities The Government will
have a direct say in the export of the anti-
quities and art treasures. The export trade
which is at present in the hands of private
people will be strictly controlled thereafter.
At the outset, I would suggest that no export,
whether it is through the State institutions or
through private sources, of antiquities and art
treasures, which are the torch bearers of our
ancient culture and civilisation, should be
permitted. If these things of historical signi-
ficance and interest are permitted to be ex-
ported, it amounts to selling our ancient art

and culture. I would strongly urge upon the
hon. Minister of Education to ban completely
the export of antiquities and art treasures.

Sir, this Bill has been formulated on the
basis of ths recommendations of a Committee
headed by Shri B. Venkataraman, who was
a Joint Secretary in the Ministry of Home
Affairs. 1 am not able to appreciate the
relationship between the Joint Secretary in the
Ministry of Home Affairs and the antiquities
and art treasures, which are thousands of
years old. The news about this Bill appeared
in the newspapers on 27 3.1970 and after two
and a half years it has come up before this
House. During the past three years, 2272
valuable art objects and antiquities had been
stolen. In 1969 the number of thefts was
691 ; in 1970, 675 and in 1971, 906. So far
we have found out only 415 pieces. On
18.6.1971 nearly 100 valuable paintings had
been stolen from Khajurao in Madhya Pra-
desh. From the Prince of Wales Museum in
Bombay, during 1970 about 426 bronze statues
of South India had been stolen.

Last year in a place called Sivapuri in
Tamil Nadu a statue was found out by a
local man. He understood the value of this
statue and immediately with the help of a
local sculptor got an imitation of the statue
made, which he surrendered to the Depart-
ment. He sold away the original to a
Bombaywala for Rs. 20,000, who in turn
sold it to an Englishman for Rs. 2 lakhs.
The Englishman then sold it to an American
for Rs. 75 lakhs This is the Nataraja statue
of Chola regime, which is known for its
artistic beauty. A case has been instituted
by the Tamil Nadu Government to recover
this statue of great artistic value and cultural
importance for the people of Tamil Nadu.
I would request the hon. Minister, through
you, to extend all his assistance to the Tamil
Nadu Government in recovering this statue.
If this measure had been introduced and got
passed earlier, as it was announced 2\ years
ago, all these thefts and large-scale smuggling
could have been averted.

Sir, in 1966 a review Committee was
appointed to enquire into these things. I
would like to know from the hon. Minister
how far the recommendations of this Review
Committee had been implemented by the
Government. In 1965, the Committee headed

*The original speech was delivered in Tamil,

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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Art Treasures Bill 214

by Sir Mortimer Wheeler, the world renowned
archaeologist, submitted its report containing
25 important recommendations. 1 would like
to know from the hon. Minister the action
taken by the Government on these 25 major
recommendations. Sir, I would also request
the bon. Minister the reasons for the sudden
resignation of Shri B. B. Lai, who was the
Director-General of Archaeology. He was
acclaimed all over the world as an eminent
archaeologist.

Sir, the Tamil Nadu Government has
given a poineering lead to other States in our
country by proposing to set up an Institute
for the Study of Epigraphy. The Central
Government should come forward to extend
all assistance in making this laudable venture
a success.

In June 1970 under the auspices of
UNESCO a conference of more than 80
countries; whose leading archaeologists parti-
cipated in this Conference, to devise suitable
measures for preventing smuggling in art
objects. I do not know whether our country
participated in the co/jferencc. If we had
participated in this Conference, I would like to
know from the hon. Minister the action taken
by the Government on the recommendations
made by this Conference.

Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao, the former Minister
of Education, in reply to a question stated
on the floor of this House that from nearly
15000 monuments of historical importance m
our country every year about 1000 art
objects are stolen and smuggled out of the
country. Just like the gang indulging in
preparing and circulating counterfeit coins and
notes in the country, there is a well organised
gang which is engaged in stealing valuable
art objects and smuggling them outside
country. This gang is very active throughout
the country, from Himalayas to Cape
Camorin. I hope that through the provisions
of this Bill, the Government will take
effective punitive measures to smash this gang
once for all. As I stated initially, I hope
that the Government will ban the export of
art [treasures and antiquities, whether it is
through' State agencies or through private
agencies. After all what do we gain by selling
our ancient culture and symbols of our ancient
civilisation ? The party foreign exchange
which we* may get through this export is not
tantamount to our ancient culture. We
should not allow our symbols of cultural

heritage to be paraded in the shops and draw*
ing rooms of western countries. If the
foreign museums want to possess something
of ancient India's culture, then we can take
photographs of these antiquities and supply to
them. The export should be completely
banned.

Sir, hundreds of old temples, the pride of
Tamil Nadu, are under the control and
management of the Department of Archaeo-
logy of the Central Government, I can call
this as a dog in the manger policy ; the dog
will not allow the cow to eat the hay nor will
it eat itself. Neither the Department of
Archaeology of the Central Government is able
to protect and to preserve these hundreds of
temples, which were built hundreds of years
ago by the great sculptors of Tamil Nadu, nor
the State Government is allowed to maintain
and preserve them. If the Central Govern-
ment had been able to give adequate pro-
tection to these temples, such a large scale
thieving and smuggling would not have
occurred. When the State Government of
Tamil Nadu, in diference to the demands of
the people of Tamil Nadu, wanted to erect a
statue of Raja Raja Chola within the precints
of Brhdeeswara Temple— Raja Raja Chola
was the builder of this world famous temple —
the Central Government refused the permis-
sion to do so. But thousands of antiquities
and art objects, which are invaluable for
understanding ancient India’s cultural
achievements are allowed to be stolen and
smuggled out of India. It will be in the
fitness of things that the Central Government
should empower the State Governments to
protect and preserve the ancient monuments
and art treasures. The State Governments
alone, which are nearer to the location of these
monuments, will be able to preserve and main-
tain them.

Before I conclude, I would urge upon the
hon, Minister to ban completely the export
of antiquities and art treasures, I would
request him also, taking assistance from the
provisions of this Bill, to smash the gang
engaged — I am sure that this gang consists
of a number of members from affluent sections
of our society— in stealing and smuggling them
outside the country. The ancient culture
which is the breath of the people of our
country should be at all costs protected. The
Government cannot barter the spring board
of our cultural life for a pittance of foreign
exchange. On the other hand, every effort

AUGUST 25, 1972

Art Treasures Bill 216

215 Antiquities and

[Shri E. R. Krishnan]

must be made to protect, to preserve and to
maintain them for postferity.

With these words, 1 conclude.

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI
(Lakhimpur) : Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Sir, at
the very outset, I would like to congratulate
the Minister in charge of education for bring-
ing such a comprehensive Bill for the pre-
servation of antiquities and art treasures in
the country. Antiquities and art treasures are
not only the ruins and remnants of the past
for our reminiscence, but they are a source of
inspiration for the present and a guiding force
in the future. From that point of view,
every citizen is concerned with the antiquities
of the country and art traasures that belong to
us.

For the first time, in the year 1894, there
was an enactment for the preservation of
antiquities and art treasures in the country,
but that Act was quite insufficient. In 1904,
Lord Curzon, who, though he was known in
Bengal as durjan , was a great lover of anti-
quities, passed an Act for the preservation of
ancient monuments in the country.

In this Bill the object is stated to be two-
fold — to regulate the export of antiquites and
art treasures and to preserve it. 1 would
have been more happy if the emphasis had
been more on the preservation side than on
regulating the export of antiquities and art
treasures.

Elaborate arrangements have been made
for export of antiquities and art treasures
from this country abroad. Certain dealers
are dealing in antiquities and sometimes
they are smuggling them. Thefts have
occurred not only;, in temples and ancient
places but in museums too. There are
newspaper reports that certain valuable
antiquities have been removed from certain
museums. It is anybody's guess that
employees of the museums are also invol-
ved in such thefts. Therefore, along with
the measures taken for regulating this
trade, government should ensure that no
employee is in any way involved in such
smuggling or trade. Drastic action should
be taken against those persons who are sus-
pected of doing such things or who have
been in collusion with smugglers and thieves.

Since I may not get a chance to speak
on the clauses, I would like to make my
observations on some of the clauses. Clause
3 says that the Act may come into force in
different States on different dates. An un-
scrupulous person may remove an antiquity
from a State where the Act is in force to
another State where it is not in force and
thereby may go scotfree Therefore, I would
suggest that the Act should come into force
in all the States on the same date so that such
things cannot happen.

Clause 2(25) says that antiquities should
be at least 100 years old and in a subse-
quent clause it is stated that at least 75
years time should pass. I would suggest a
period of 50 years, instead of 75 years, on
the pattern of the Copyright Act which
provides that after 50 yeans of the death of
an author a manuscript becomes a national
property.

Then there is a provision for an expert
committee. It is not mentioned anywhere
clearly except in the expenditure item where
it is mentioned that for TA and DA some
amount may be necessary. I do not know
what will be the composition of such an
expert committee. The Director-General of the
Archaeological Survey of India is made the
sole arbiter in some matters. Archaeology has
three mam branches, namely, iconography, epi-
graphy and numismatics. He has nothing to do
withpainting and other things. Therefore, if he
is not having the advice of experts, he will not
be in a position to decide which matter is
really of great value and which is not.
Therefore, there must be provision of a statu-
tory nature to have an expei ts committee to
advise the Director-General of Archaeology.

In clause 8, which deals with the quali-
fications of dealers, exemption has been pro-
vided in the case of those dealers where ten
years have expired after their conviction for
smuggling or theft. Why should such leniency
shown or concession given to a person who
has been convicted of smuggling or theft of art
treasures 7 Once a person is convicted, be
should never be appointed again.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : May I point
out that 3* this stage the clauses cannot be
referred to individually ? He can only refer to
the principles.

217 Antiquities and

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI : I
may not get a chance to speak on the

clauses.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That does not
mean that the procedure should be violated.

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI :
Therefore, I do not refer to particular clauses.

I would like to say regarding general
provision that there must be great emphasis
on the preservation of those antiquities and
art treasures in the country.

The museums run by the civic bodies and
registered societies should also be given some
sanctity and protection so that they can also
collect, preserve and exhibit such things for
the benefit of the public. Here, I have seen
only the Government museums and other
things that are provided.

In order to regulate exports, I would
like to say that there should be some prohibi-
tory order to the effect that certain things,
certain antiquities, certain art treasures, should
not be exported under any circumstances
because these are precious things. They cannot
be sold out.

I would like to conclude by saying one
thing. Regarding the fixation of price where
the compulsory acquisition is provided, in the
fust place, it has been provided that it will
be by an agreement between the seller and
the officer who acquires it. It is our common
experience that even inferior things are sold
at higher prices. Therefore, there must be
some adviser or an expert committee to deter-
mine the price of such antiquities. Otherwise,
a thing of inferior value may be sold at a
higher price and the thing of superior value
may be sold at a lower price.

With these words, I commend the Bill for
the acceptance of the House.

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221 Antiquities and

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SHRl BANAMAL1 PATNAIK (Puri) :
Sir, this is a welcome measure though long
overdue.

In this connection, I would like to mention
a few points. There are a large number of
temples in Orissa which are in dilapidated

condition but not protected under the Ancient
Monuments Preservation Act. There are only,
as Mr Jagannatha Rao Joshi just now said,
sign-boards, and there the duty ends.

• I would like to mention here about the
village of Hirapur where there is the temple
of Chausati Joginis. Unfortunately, some of the
Joginis have been stolen away though the
temple is preserved by the Government of
India. Similarly, in the village of Chaurasi,
there are 84 temples and 84 deities but there
is only one temple preserved, known as Barahi
temple. That is the only temple protected
but it is only preservation by name. The
temple has developed cracks and it is suscep-
tible to rain and destruction. No steps have
been taken for its repairs. There is only one
guard posted there to look after these monu-
ments but he does not stay there.

Then there are a large number of small
deities in that Prachi valley which were exca-
vated by the Government of India at a cost of
a few lakhs but the excavations are not preser-
ved. Many of them have been stolen away and
we do not know where they have gone. They
have gone with the connivance of those in
charge of them. Otherwise, these things could
not have happened.

Recently there has been an excavation done
in Ratnagiri by Smt. Devala Mitra who exca-
vated but all those things are not to be found
there. They have been removed from that
place because that place is not accessible. If
that place is not accessible and if you go
there, how can you read the history ? If there
are such places, those places should be preser-
ved and a museum should be attached there.

There is another temple which is known
Alala Nath, derived from the word ‘Alwars*
and thfs temple which is connected with the
Jagannath temple of Puri has its importance
because of the Twelve Alwars and it has some
connection with Tamil. All the inscriptions
there and the Tamra Patras have been lost.
I myself reported it to the Government of
India. Dr Raghavan of Madras University is
aware of it as I had personally told about
the Tamra Patras. But these things are now
missing because there was no proper authority
to be handed over for preservation.

Now, another point. If you do not know
what are the monuments to be preserved, how

227 Antiquities and

AUGUST 25, 1972

Art Ti ensures BUI 228

[Prof. S. Nurul Hasan]

For example, if I may make a personal
confession, in spite of the kindness of the
gracious lady to help me see the records of
Akbar’s reign in the house of Jaipur there are
no records so far located of Akbar’s reign.
This is so surprising, considering 1 that there
was no noble who was closure to Akbar than
Raja Man Singh, and even though in petty
houses in various parts of U.P., Punjab and
Rajasthan, documents of Akbar’s icign are
available, it is very surprising that in the
house which was closest to Akbar there is no
document of Akbari period available.

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
’ JAIPUR : I am afraid, and 1 know, that in
the house of Jaipur, there is no document of
Maharaja Jai Singh either. The Rajasthan
Government have taken them all.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I am
referring to the documents I had occasion to
see earlier ; as I said, nothing pains me more.
But I must submit that I am a professional
historian. I have been going into these
matters. I have been taking interest in these
matters. All that must say is that I wish
this consciousness of records and of the art
treasures had been as universal as is the desire
of this whole House, and I share that desire,
and 1 think that all our people are becoming
more and more conscious of their importance.

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : May I just ask the hon. Minister
one thing ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is one too
many.

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : It is nothing to do with Rajasthan
or Jaipur. I am referring now to the Palace
in Calcutta ; it is falling into pieces. I am
asking the hon. Minister to recommend that
to the West Bengal Government for being
taken over.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I wish this
had been an occasion to discuss the function-
ing of the Archaeological Survey of India.
I would be very glad to answer all the
questions that have been raised by the hon.
Member, but unfortunately, the scope of the
Bill is rather limited. Therefore, I purpose

to confine my remarks to some of the points
that have been raised. A point has been
quite rightly raised that there might be
procedural difficulties in registration. I can
give this assurance to the House that when
framing the rules, we shall take proper care
to ensure that the registration is facilitated.

My hon. friend Shri Jharkhande Rae has
made one observation which has pained me,
and 1 consider it my duty to make a state-
ment about that. That is with regard to the
Director-General of Archaeological Survey of
India and to the officers of the Archaeological
Survey of India.- If there is any specific
complaint, I any willing to look into it, but
1 feel that it is most unfair to have such a
general charge being mentioned in the House.
I would like to state that I have my confidence
in the officers of the Archaeological Survey of
India, and I wish to take this opportunity
of paying a tribute to their ability and to
the devotion with which they have been doing
their work.

As regards the point raised by my hon.
friend Shri M. C. Daga, I am afraid I am
unable to understand part of the point

SHRI V1KRAM CHAND MAHAJAN
(Kangra) : He may be asked to repeat it
again.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I just do
not know how this is going to stifle art. I
think that there is no question of any living
artist being brought within the purview of the
present Act.

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : Whom will the artists produce for 7

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : If she
wishes to have a dialogue, I am quite willing,
and I request I may be permitted to use
rather strong words

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : What Shri M. C. Daga meant
was ‘whom will the artist produce for ?’

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I am in
your hands, Sir. If you permit me, 1 shall
answer every point raised by the hon. lady.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) :
Please permit him, Sir, because we want to
hear him.

229 Antiquities and

BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA)

Art Treasures Bill 230

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : Sir, the
important point that has been raised by the
hon. Member is with regard to the fees, and he
referred to all the rulings about taxes.
A fee is not a tax, and there is a basic
difference between a fee and a tax, and, there-
fore, that point does not arise.

I had referred in my original speech to
the fact that at the UNESCO convention,
certain countries were dragging their feet.
Unfortunately, this House does not have
control over the UNESCO, It has only control
over the the Indian delegation which goes and
makes a submission to the UNESCO. There-
fore, to leave the question of the export of
antiquities to UNESCO over which this
House has no control, does not, I think,
meets with the wishes of this House.

My hon. friend from the DMK probably
did not bother to listen to my short and brief
introductory speech. Otherwise, he would
not have raised some of the points which he
raised. I admire him for taking every
opportunity to say how wonderful the govern-
ment of Tamil Nadu is.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is his
job.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : That is his
job. I remember a statement by Ichhkov of
Russia. In 1875, he started a war scare by
saying “If Germany attacks France, then
Russia would go to the assistance of France.”
Then Bismarck remarked that “If Ichhkov so
desires, I am quite willing to have five-franc
pieces stiuck with the legend ‘Ichhkov, the
protector of France*. But why start a war
scare ?’*

I entirely agree that the antiquities should
not be exported for money. That point has
quite rightly been made out. Even the Central
Government cannot now export without under-
going all the processes—

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The point
raised by Mr. Jharkhande Rai was that they
are being sold by those R^jas.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : After this
Sill, it will not be possible. That is why I have
pleaded in this House that this Bill may bo
approved as soon as possible, and if any fur-
ther points are to be raised, I am quite willing

to come before this bon. House and say,
“Please add this one and please add that
one.”

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Unless it is
assented to by the President, they can sell
them.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : No. The
present rules have certain lacunae, although
even with the present rules, export without
licence is not possible. This Bill is seeking to
plug all these loopholes so that it should not
be possible to sell any of our antiquities
abroad. That is the whole intention of the
Government.

The question of the Brihadeeswara temple
was raised by my hon. friend. I had a talk
with my calleague, the Education Minister
of Tamil Nadu, and there, I said, let us
appoint a committee consisting of the Direc-
tor of Archaeology of Tamil Nadu, a repre-
sentative ol the Director-General of Archaeo-
logical Survey of India and any professor of
archaeology or ancient history in any of the
universities of Tamil Nadu. Let them say that
from an expert point of view the site which
was chosen for installing a modern statue was
proper. Then I would accept it. I do not
think that these matters should be made into
a question of Centre-States controversy. We
are all on the same side of the fence. There
is no difference between the States and the
Centre in the desire to preserve our antiqui-
ties. But it was a question of the specialists,
versus the generalists. I have every respect
for the generalists, but there are occasions
when expert opinion ought to be accepted.

I had the privilege of being a member of
the Wheeler Committee myself, and I can
assure the hon. Member that I shall do all
that lies in my power to see that its
recommendations, as far a9 they lie within
the power of the Government, are implemented
as quickly as possible.

The hon. Member Shri Shastri raised the
question of authority. That has to be deter-
mined by the rules. So far as the question
of price is concerned, there is already an
Art Purchases Committee, a Committee of
experts, which takes decisions on these
points.

I entirely agree that every step should be
taken to see that the protected monuments aej

231 Antiquities and

AUGUST 25, 1972

Art Treasures Bill 232

[Prof. S. Nurul Hasan]

really protected. The Government of India
have recently appointed a very large number
of chowkidars to look after the monuments
to ensure that thefts do not take place. We
are also considering several steps and getting
the co-operation of the State Governments
for this. This point, which was raised by
Sbri Jagannathrao Joshi, is quite correct. I
entirely agree with him. My only point is that
1 do not know whether I can prohibit the
export of thought from India.

SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA : 1 raised
the question of Kohinoor, which is a matter of
national honour. I want some clarification on
this.

PROF. S NURUL* HASAN : If it had
been in the power of this House, I would have
run to Britain aud brought it back myself.

SHRI M ATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : I am not trying to have a dia-
logue. Has the Kohinoor originally come from
India or from Persia ?

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : Originally
it has come from what is now known as
Andhra Pradesh.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now put
to the vote amendment No. 1 moved by Shri
M. C. Daga for reference of the Bill to a
Select Committee.

Amendment No. 1 was put and negatived

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That the Bill to regulate the export
trade in antiquites and art treasures, to
provide for the prevention of smuggling
of, and fraudulent dealings in, antiquities,
to provide for the compulsory acquisition
of antiquities and art treasures for preser-
vation in public places and to provide for
certain other matters connected therewith
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken
into consideration.*'

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We will now
take up clause-by-clausc consideration.

Clause 2— (Definitions)

Amendment made :

“Page 2,-

for lines 9 and 10, substitute—

“for the purposes of this Act, which
has been in existence for not less
than one hundred years ; and” (2)

(Prof. S . Nurul Hasan)

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF
JAIPUR : I beg to move :

Page 2 , —

omit lines 1 and 2. (13)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now
put amendment No, 13, moved by Shrimati
Gayatn Devi, to the vote of the House,

Amendment No. 13 was put and negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question

is :

“That clause 2, as amended, stand part of
the Bill’*

The motion was adopted.

Clause 2, as amended \ was added to the
Bill.

Clause 3 — (Regulation in export trade in
antiquities and art treasures)

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move :
Page 2,—

after line 32, insert—

“Provided that in special circums-
tances, the person who wants to ex-
port any antiquity or art-treasure
and has obtained the permission of
the prescribed authority, may export
the same.” (3)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now
put amendment No. 3, moved, by Shri Daga,
to the vote of the House.

Amendment No. 3 was put and negatived.

233 Antiquities and

BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA)

Art Treasures bill 234

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question

is :

“That clause 3 stand part of the Bill"

The motion was adopted .

Clause 3 was added to the Bill-

Clause 4 to 7 were added to the Bill .

Clause 8— (Grant of licence)

SHR1 M. C. DAGA : I beg to move :

Page 3, lines 23 and 24,—

omit “after holding such inquiry as he
deems fit,” (5)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now
put amendment No. 5, moved by Shn Daga,
to the vote of the House.

Amendment No. 5 was put and negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That cfause 8 stand part of the Bill"

The motion was adopted .

Clause 8 was added to the Bill .

Clauses 9 to 11 were added to the Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are two
amendments given notice of by Shri Daga. Is he
moving them ?

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I am not moving
them.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then, I put
clauses 12 to 17 together to the vote of the
House.

The question is :

“That clauses 12 to 17 stand part of the
Bill"

The motion was adopted .

Clauses 12 to 17 were added to the Bill .

Clause 18— (Provisions of sections 14, 16
and 17 not to apply in certain cases)

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move :

Page 6, line 25, —
add at the end—

“and in the educational institutions
and places of worship.” (8)

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I beg to
move :

Page 6, line, 24 —
for “archive,” substitute —

“archive ; or” (11)

Page 6, —

after line 24, insert —

“(iv) in an educational or cultural
institution/* (12)

SHRI M. C. DAGA : They have accepted
one part of my amendment already. These
words “educational or cultural institution”
have been added by an amendment moved by
the Government. I have mentioned also
“Places of worship”. But they say, only edu-
cational or cultural.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : My point
is that the place of worship cannot be owned,
controlled and managed by the Government.
Therefore, I have re-phrased it to bring it
under the qualifying clause educational or
cultural institution owned, controlled and
managed by the Government,

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : There is a con-
tradiction. He says that the place of worship
cannot be controlled by the Government. It is
felt by everybody that jGod is everywhere.
When they are controlling all the other places,
why should they not control temples and
other places of worship also ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : First I put
amendment No. 8 moved by Shri Daga to the
vote of the House.

Amendment No. 8 was put and negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I put
amendment Nos. 11 and 12 to clause 18

235 Antiquities and Jrl AUGUST 25, 1972 Mines and Minerals ( Regn . 236

Treasures Bill and Dev.) Arndt . Bill

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker]

moved by Prof. Nurul Hasan to the vote of
the House.

The question is :

Page 6, line 24—
for ‘'archive,*' substitute —

“archive ; or” (11)

Page 6, —

after line 24, insert —

(iv) in an educational or cultural
institution," (12)

The motion was adopted .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

"That Clause 18, as amended, stand part
of the Bill”

The motion was adopted .

Clause 18, as amended , was added to the
Bill .

Clause 19— {Power of Central Government
to compulsorily acquire antiquities and
art treasures)

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move :

Page 6, lines 33 to 35, —

for "and it shall be lawful for the
Collector to take possession of such
antiquity or art treasure, for which
purpose the Collector may use such
force as may be necessary."

substitute

"and if the owner of the antiquity or
art treasure objects to the decision of
the Government, he may within a
period of thirty days from the date of
the intimation, make a representation
to the Central Government putting
forth his objections." (9)

Page 6, —

omit lines 36 to 40. (10)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 shall now

put Amendments 9 and 10, moved by Shn
M. C. Daga to Clause 19 to the vote of the
House.

Amendments Nos. 9 and 10 were put and
negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

"That clause 19 stand part of the Bill."

The motion was adopted.

Clause 19 was added to the Bill .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are no
further amendments. I shall put the rest of
the Clauses and the rest of the Bill to the vote
of the House.

The question is :

"That Clauses 20 to 3?, Clause 1, the

Enacting Formula and the Title stand part

of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 20 to 33, Clause 1, the Enacting
Formula and the Title were added to the
Bill.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I beg to
move :

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed."

The motion was adopted

14.42 hrs.

MINES AND MINERALS (REGULA-
TION AND DEVELOPMENT)
AMENDMENT BILL

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI

*OKr

1 ev.) Arndt. BUI 238

237 Mines and Minerals BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA )
(Regn. and

SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : I beg to move* :

<( That the Bill further to amend the Mines

and Minerals (Regulation and Develop-
ment) Act, 1957, be taken into considera-
tion.”

This is a veiy simple but very important
Bill that this is being brought forward before
the House. The Mines and Minerals (Regu-
lation and De\e!orffent) Act 1957 was enacted
with a view to promoting and de\elopmg the
mines m this ceuntiy. This Act has been in
operation since 1957, during which period the
countiy has made tremendous progress and
advances in mines For instance, the coal
production has increased from 39 million ton-
nes in 1955 to 75 million tonnes by the end of
1V71. Iron ore production has increased
from 4.7 million tonnes to 33 million tonnes
and so have all the other minerals like bau-
xite, copper, zinc. The industries which
depend on the use of minerals as feedstock
have also made gigantic strides. Progress in
respect of lion and steel, fertiliser, cement,
chemical and other industries, not to speak of
power generation, could not have been possi-
ble without a parallel growth in the mining
industry. In all this growth, a dominant role
has been played by the public sector, and it
has been established beyond doubt that rapid
industrial development can take place only
when an integrated approach is built up thro-
ugh the public sector. A stage has now been
reached when, unless proper integration is
brought about between the discovery, develop-
ment and production of minerals on the one
hand and the industries based on these mine-
rals on the other, difficulties will be faced in
maintaining rapid and even growth in all sec-
tors. Time has, therefore, come when a
suitable legislative framework should be provi-
ded to permit rapid development of mineral
industries at minimum cost to the nation and
to the tax payer.

The industrial Policy Resolution of 1956
imposed a responsibility on the Central Go-
vernment for regulation and development of
minerals, By and large, over these 15 years
it has been found possible to maintain a degree
of co-operation and co-ordination between the
Centre on the one hand and the States on the
other, which is essential for the proper deve-
lopment of mines and minerals. It has been

•Moved with the recommendation of the

our experience that' the State Governments
have played a significant role in promoting
the growth of the mining sector through their
administration of the laws and regulations
relating to mines and mining.

The development targets for electricity,
steel, fertilisers, aluminium, copper, zinc,
cement and other products based on minerals
during the fifth and sixth plans will call for a
scale of development of mineral resources of
the country of much larger dimensions than
has been experienced in the past. It will be
necessary to break through many established
conceptions and to initiate many bold steps
if the country is to go forward to the attain-
ment of these targets— targets which are essen-
tial for our survival as an economically self-
reliant nation. Time has, therefore, come to
see whether the legal framework is adequate
for the attainment of these objectives.

Over the years the Central Government
has developed an institutional framework for
periodical consultation both with the mining
interests as well as with the State Governments
with regard to the administration of the laws
affecting mines and mining as well as the pro-
gress in implementation of development tar-
gets. The Mineral Advisory Board, consisting
of representatives of all State Governments
and Union Territory Administrations as well as
representatives of associations of mine-owners
and Chamber of Commerce, has met on an
average once a year during the 18 years for
this purpose. It has been possible through
these meetings for the representatives of the
Government and those of the mining industry
to sit around the same table for detailed dis-
cussion on the problems facing the miniog
industry, with particular reference to the legi-
slative framework provided by the Mines and
Minerals (Regulation and Development) Act.
Much valuable information has thereby been
collected and made use of, whenever possible,
either in policy framing or in legislation.
Similarly, with the purpose of a closer inte-
grated approach in the framing of legislative
policies and in the administration of the rele-
vent laws, an annual conference of State
Ministers in charge of geology and mining
has been held during the last few years. This
conference also provided a forum for exchange
of experiences and mutual consultations.

Largely, as a result of the discussions
President,

239 Mines and Minmls AUGUST 25, 1972 Dev.) Arndt. BiU 240

(Regn. and

[Shri Shahnawaz Khan]

held in the Mineral Advisory Board, it appea-
red necessary to bring about certain modifica-
tions in the Mines and Minerals (Regulation
and Development) Act so as to remove certain
lacunae as well as to introduce certain new
provisions in keeping with the emerging pat-
tern of development. Notably, the land reform
measures carried out in various States reveal
the need for modifying the Mines and Mine-
rals (Regulation and Development) Act in
such a manner as to remove the last vestiges
of the old system of landlordism in the field
of minerals. The experience of the admini-
stration of the Land Reforms Act, particularly
in such States as Bihar and West Bengal,
underlined the need for streamlining certain
provisions which have been incorporated in
clause 9 of the Bill under consideration.

In addition to the above, the amendments
now proposed incorporate new thinking
with regard to the imposition of a ceiling on
individal holdings of mining leases. Members
will agree that it will be in consonance with
the spirit of the times if some limit was impo-
sed on the extent of mineral concessions an
individual can hold so that, without in any way
discouraging small scale mining activities,
provision is also made against concentration
of wealth in the field of minerals. The
amendments also cover mineral concessions in
respect of minerals underlying the ocean
within the territorial waters or the continental
shelf of India. The measure has become
necessary in view of the new vistas that have
opened up by the emergence of new methods
of mineral exploration and exploitation under
the sea.

In drawing up of development plants for
industry it is essential also to have as precise
a knowledge as possible of the extent of reser-
ves of the minerals which will provide the
raw materials for these industries. At present
the assessment of such reserves is possible only
in respect of lands over which no prospecting
licence or mining lease has been granted to
any person. However it is common know-
ledge that large areas are held under prospect-
ing lease about which precise information
about the extent of reserves is not available.

It is now proposed by one of the amendments
vide Clause 11 of the Bill, by which the
Central Government may authorise the GSI
or any other agency to go and explore for *
minerals within such areas.

Certain other amendments are being
proposed on the suggestion of various State
Governments such' as enhancement of penalties
for infringement of the Mineral Concession
Rules, creation of a first charge on the assets
of the holder of mining lease on account of
mining dues and applicability of Minor Mine-
ral Rules to quarry leases.

Finally, it has been the view of many
State Governments, which the Central Govt,
fully shares, that the existence of mining leases
should not be allowed to stand in the way of
development of an industry of national
importance. There are instances where the
existence of such private interests proved to
be a stumbling block in the way of smooth
functioning of the industries in the public
sector. Clause 2 of the Bill accordingly
provides that if the public interest so demands
the Central Government, in consultation with
the State Governments, may request the State
Governments to make a premature termination
of such a mining lease and to grant that area
to a public sector corporation.

Sir, I move.

MR. DEPUTY-SPKAKER : There are
notices of two amendments. One is by Shri
Modi and the other by Shri Daga. Mr.
Daga is not present. Do you want to move
Mr Modi ?

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI (Sikar) : I
do not want to move.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER So, these
are not moved.

Motion moved :

“That the Bill further to amend the Mines

and Minerals (Regulation and Develop-
ment) Act, 1957, be taken into consi-
deration.”

Shri Haider.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER
(Ausgram) : Sir, 1 support the amendments
in general. It took 14 years for the Govern-
ment to rectify the defects in the functioning
of the Mines and Minerals. I agree with the
following principal points : —

(i) Imposition of a ceiling on individua
holdings of prospecting licences and I
mining leases ;

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24! Mines and Minerals BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA) P. M. B. and Res. 242
(Regn. and Dev.) Arndt. Bill Comm. Rep.

(ii) Imposition of a speacific obligation
on holders of mining leases in respect
of payment of royalty for minerals
removed by their agents, sub-lessees
or employees ;

(iii) Provision of a statutory basis for
calculation of dead rent ;

(iv) Introduction of regulations govern-
ing mineral concessions in respect of
minerals underlying the ocean with-
in the territorial waters or the conti-
nental shelf of India ; and

(v) Application of Minor Mineral
Rules to Quarry leases.

Sir, the provision regarding the termination
of mining leases which is going to be inserted
in Clause 4A(1) and (2) is reasonable It says :

“Where the Central Govt., after consulta-
tion with the Slate Govt., is of opinion
that it is expedient in the interest of regu-
lation of mines and mineral development
so to do, it may request the State Govt,
to make a premature termination of a
mining lease in respect of any mineral,
other than a minor mineral and, on receipt
of such request, the State Govt shall make
an order making a prematuie termination
of such mining lease and granting a fresh
mining lease in favour of such Govt,
company or corporation owned or cont-
rolled by Government as it may think fit.”

I think that this is a reasonable provision.

Then, new section 6(1) would read thus :

“No person shall acquire in any one
State in respect of any mineral or pres-
cribed group of associated minerals —

(a) one or moic prospecting licences
covering a total area of more than
fifty square kilometers ; or

(b) one or more more mining leases
covering a total area of more than
ten square kilometres

Since a proviso has been incorporated, the
limits fixed under these now sub-sections (a)
and (b) could have been reduced further and
that would have been a step towards a more

equitable distribution of wealth. The reduc-
tion of the limit should not be allowed to be
made a pretext by the mineowners to victi-
mise or retrench the workers, and the hon.
Minister should give us an assurance to that
effect. I demand here that for the deve-
lopment of the mines and for the progress
of the country, all the mines should be
nationalised.

In this amending Bill, provision has been
made for a statutory basis for taking up
investigations. I want to say that the powers
given to the Geological Survey of India under
the proposed sections 18A (J) and (2) should
be exercised with great care and attention so
that only a very small portion of the standing
crop is destroyed. The hon. Minister should
give an assurance in this regard so that the
least possible damage is done, and I would
also request the hon. Minister to see that the
time for the standing crops is extended.

Lastly, I would like to say that unless we
protect the interests of the workers and
their rights, all the tall talk of regulating and
developing the functioning of the mines will be
of no use.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall
resume discussion on this Bill on the next
day. Now, we shall take up Private Members'
Business.

14.58 hrs.

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS'
BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS

Seventeenth Report

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR
(Mathurapur) : I beg to move :

“That this House do agree with the
Seventeenth Report of rtic Committee on
Private Members' Bills and Resolutions
presented to the House on the 23rd August,
1972."

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That this House do agree with the
Seventeenth Report of the Committee on
Private Members' Bills and Resolutions
presented to the House on the 23rd August,
1972".

The motion was adopted

AUGUST 25, 1972 Problems of Economic 244
Stagnation of W. Bengal (Resn.)

15 hrs.

243

14,59 hrs.

RESOLUTION RE : URGENT PROBLEMS
OF ECONOMIC STAGNATION OF
WEST BENGAL— Contd,

MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER : The House
will now take up further discussion of the
following Resolution moved by Shri Indrajit
Gupta on the 11th August, 1972 :

“This House demands that the Govern-
ment should fulfil, without delay or
dilution, its commitments and responsi-
bilities towards solutions of West Bengal’s
urgent problems of economic stagnation”.

Shri B. K. Daschowdhary may now
resume his speech. He has already taken
17 minutes. I think he will now utter his
concluding sentence.

SHRI B. K, DASCHOWDHURY :
Kindly give me five minutes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
other speakers also, and we do not have much
time left.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Ever
since the country embarked upon this planned
economy

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon.
Member has started as if he is making a new
speech.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : No ;
since my last speech was about fifteen days
ago, naturally, 1 have to recollect to the
House what I was saying. I shall try to
finish my speech as early as possible.

Ever since the country" embarked on
economic planning or planned development
through the Five Year Plans, we have seen
that the professed policies of the Five Year
Plans have been belied in many ways both in
practice and in their practical applications.
As a result of this, what has happened ? The
gap between the rich and the poor regions
has widened, and the regional imbalances
have widened. The eastern region of India is
rich in natural resources, but the States in
the region have been placed in such a position
that their importance has been going down
from year to year.

As I said on the last occasion, for all
these reasons, the eastern States, particularly
West Bengal, have declined in the industrial
and economic spheres. Certain policies of
the Government of India are absolutely and
solely responsible for this, thus causing a
huge drainage of wealth from the astern States,
particularly West Bengal, to others.

In this connection, mention must be made
of the pricing policy concerning agricultural
commidities. To cut the point short, the
four major States in the eastern region, West
Bengal, Assam, Bihar and Orissa and to a
certain extent, Tripura also, have jute as
one of their principal produce which is
exported and earns foreign exchange to the
tune of Rs. 300 crores. On the pricing of
this commodity depends very much the econo-
mic prosperity of these States. Their
economy is veiy much linked up with the price
of this commodity.

If we take the table as set out in the
Economic Survey for the current year, we
find that the price of cotton and that of jute
has varied to such an extent that it has very
adversity affected the economy of West Bengal,
and other eastern States. Taking the index
number based on the 1961-62 (base 100), the
price of raw cotton in 1965 was 190.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am told
three Ministers wish to intervene. Then there
are important members from other parties.
Then the Mover has to reply.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I will
finish in two minutes. As against that, the
price of raw jute was 160, But coming to
1970-71, the price of raw cotton has gone up
to 239 while that of raw jute has gone down
118. This is what we find. What happens?
For the last 25 years, all these eastern States,
of which the principal loser is West 'Bengal .
have lost Rs. 3,000 crores through the low
price of jute alone.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If he cannot
organise his speech within the time allocated,
I cannot help.

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : This
is my last sentence.

Considering all these things, the increase in
freight rates for the commodities which have

245 Problems of Economic BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Stagnation of W. Bengal 246

(Resn.)

to be taken from the western region to the
eastern States for their industrial develop-
ment, I meqn, industrial raw materials, and
also taking into account the unfavourable
pricing policy, I would make this appeal to
Government. Taking certain ad hoc measures
cannot by themselves resuscitate the economy
of West Bengal and other eastern States. The
entire policy has to be changed. Then there
is the question about the equalisation of
iron and steel prices. All these have to be
considered. The Government of India must
review the pricing policy as set out in the
dnectives of the Economic Survey. Unless
certain basic policies are changed in order to
resuscitate the economy of the eastern region,
there will be no improvement in the economic
condition of West Bengal.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA
(Scrampore) : I have a small submission. I
will take only five minutes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Your party
has participated already.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : I
know. I do not claim it, but I have sub-
mitted one amendment —

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Very well.
You may point out that amendment at the
appropriate time. I am told that some of the
Ministers want to intervene. I do not have
the names of any Minister.

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING (SHRI
D. P. DHAR) : It would depend on the time
that is available. How much time would be
available ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I can indi-
cate to you the time that we have in our
hands, We had 38 minutes, out of which
Mr. Daschowdhury has taken six minutes.
So, we have 32 minutes to conclude the
debate. We can stretch it a little more.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta-
North-East) : Why can’t we go on with this
debate till the end of the day ? Shrimati
Maya Ray can also move her resolution, and
we can take it over to the next day. That is
the usual practice which we follow whenever an
important resolution comes up.

SHRI. D. P. DHAR : May I make a
submission ? Perhaps 32 minutes could be
stretched to 35 minutes, But out of that, we
have to leave at least 15 minutes for the
mover of the resolution, I suppose. That would
leave about 20 minutes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will regu.
late it. It is true that, as Prof. Mukerjee has
said, very often we do not keep very strictly
to the time-scheduled. We very often stretch
it to further than what has been allotted. We
can do what he said in view of the importance
of the subject. At 5.30, we are to take up
another business, absolutely. And there is
another resolution coming up. What is the
sense of the House ? Shall we extend this
debate by one hour ?

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER . Very well.
So. Prof Mukerjee, would you like to make
your observations ?

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Mr. Deputy-
Speaker, Sir, this resolution is not a humdrum
recommendation to Government but, as the
very wording suggests, it is a warning. I feel
that there is no need to go over the details
of the malady afflicting West Bengal for many
years now. Howsoever the Centre denies the
accusations of indifference to the solution of
West Bengal’s problems, and whatever conso-
lation it may derive from the inaptitude and
worse of successive State Governments in West
Bengal, run most of the time by the Cong-
ress party and for short, troubled interludes by
uneasily juxtaposed leftists, the fact remains
that West Bengal is in unrelieved distress
and Calcutta, a city described even by those
who malign it, as “magnificent,” even as it
is a “monstrous" conglomeration, is in sham-
bles. If things therefore do no* change dras-
tically and very soon, this country is in
for such trouble as Delhi’s vainglorious
rulers perhaps cannot envisage.

West Bengal has inherited three decades at
least of tension and trouble. The second world
war, when Calcutta was almost in the front
rank ; the famine of 1943 ; then the communal
disturbances which continued for such a length
of time ; then the partition and then the
refugees streaming in over and over again at
recurrent intervals ; and then we saw last

247 Problems oj Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation ofW. Bengal (Resn.) 248

[Shri H. N. Mukcrjec]

year, in 1971, 10 million evacuees appearing
in the city of Calcutta. The tensions of these
three decades have come to an acute boiling-
point. We find the Prime Minister and all
her colleagues giving assurances to West
Bengal from time to time about so many
things and yet, as Mr. Inderjit Gupta pointed
out with ample details, Farakka, in spite of
Dr. Rao’s reassurance from time to time,
threatens to be a fake unless not only is
there a clarification of the situation by the
statement in the House but action which
shows that something really and truly is
going to happen to save the Calcutta port
and the economy not only of West Bengal
but of the entire hinterland of Calcutta
which covers at least six of our Indian
States Once the most highly industrialised
State, West Bengal suffers most of all today
for lack of rural electrification, and West
Bengal now is gripped in a power crisis
which does not look as if it can be solved
within a measurable distance of time.

Even the second bridge over the Hoogly,
which had been so long a time in gestation,
is facing new hurdles which should have
been taken care of a long time ago. 1 am
told that in regard to the Howrah side of
the second bridge new hurdles have arisen
which can hardly be surmounted In regard
to transport, the dropping of the circular
railway scheme and the substitution thereof
by the somewhat kite-flying but rather fasci-
nating project of an under-ground railway
give us some hopes regarding the future. But
I am not very sure as to how far genuine
progress is going to take place in quike
enough time.

In spite of the massive investment, a
gain, the virtual failure of the Calcutta
Metropolitan Development Authority scheme
to make a real impact because of lack of pre-
planning and sheer administrative stupidity
has augmented the difficulties of the people
of that region. The people of the country
side in West Bengal, who live largely in the
Bronze Age even now, are cruelly ignored,
there is lack of implementation of land reforms
and, as Shri Gupta pointed out in a documen-
ted form, our jute growers are cheated, so
that the bosses of the Indian Jute Mills
Association who figure in such things as the
Goenka poster's scandal can go on flourishing
the best way they can.

Unemployment is the most acute and
massive in West Bengal compared to the
rest of the country. Our State Ministers in
West Bengal compete with each other in
making forecasts about one hundred thousand
or half a million people getting jobs in the
near future. They go about making forecasts
about what is going to happen. But this
kind of “pie in the sky when you die",
this kind of an assurance, would help nobody
at all ; this is cruel carrot-dangling before
the people of our country, and unless some
actual results follow m quick enough time
things are going to be precarious. But in
West Bengal the most repressive policies are
also initiated whenevei the people’s discontent
find expression in movements and in struggles.
But that is not the way in which a situation
like this can be remedied.

Here, therefore, in West Bengal we have a
vicious circle which has got to be broken. It
is not a question of West Bengal or of
Calcutta ; it is the quintessence of the human
condition that we see in the whole of India.
When you go to the Calcutta aiiport, for
example — my friend, the Mimslcr of Tourism
is here — the new air terminal, the interna-
tional terminal, remains a sort of relic, a sort
of potential antiquity to be protected by
Prof. Nurul Hasan and his department and
that sort of thing while the old, dilapidated
domestic airport is unlighted and unequipped
and in a condition which on no civilised
computation can be called adequate.

We know how the ofiicers of his depart-
ment — and this is in books written by
foreign tourists — for years now have dis-
couraged people, foreign tounsts in particular,
from going to the Calcutta region, because
they want to trake care of the health of the
foreign tourists more, which is supposed to
bt in danger if they went to such a disturbed
area as Calcutta. The airport in Calcutta
today is somehing of a symbol of the kind of
deterioration to which the whole area has been
subject, and if that area which is for the
north-eastern part of our country, for the
six or seven of our States, absolutely vital
and cardinal to its economic, social and
cultural life, if that area goes down, then
God help the rest of India. That is why in
West Bengal the grapes of wrath are being
stored. They can be grapes of beauty, but
where is the vision and Statesmanship
necessary ?

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( Resn .)

you see from time to time how the
people's discontent breaks out in forms that
wc do not relish It should not be imagined
that because of the sweet and soothing words
sometimes purveyed to West Bengal by the
pnme Minister and some other people in her
entourage, because of these sweet and sooth-
ing words the people of West Bengal would
continue to accept the kind of condition to
which they have been condemned by more
than twenty years of mismanagement, consis-
tent, presistent mismanagement which goes on
for all these years. That is why the tension
of three decades and the indifference and
absolute incapacity of the administration,
Cential as well as State, running for more
than 25 years now, has left my part of the
country in a shambles. Something has got
to be done about it, because it is from that
part of the country— it /$ in the east that the
sun rises. It is from that part of the country
that you find every movement has been
initiated, and it is from that part of the
country you will find again a new redical
movement emerging unless these problems are
tackled. They might be living in an atmos-
phere of euphoria. They always refer to what
happened in the last two elections. Don’t go
on singing those songs which are outmoded
and which need no longer be sung Do some-
thing here and now. Don’t merely dangle
a carrot before the people of West Bengal.

1 know my people feci very strongly. At the
moment, they are ready to give some time
to the Government to do something about it.
But the Government must produce results.
The results have not been produced in the
last decade or so. And that is why so many
problems highlighted by Mr. Inderjit Gupta,
Farakka matter, the second bridge, the jute
prices, the unemployment problem and so many
oilier things which have been mentioned have
become so very acute.

That is why I say that the grapes of wroth
stored in West Bengal have shown what kind
of thing can happen, what kind of temper our
people can be in. That temper will be revived
by our people. They will try to throw out
the shackles of administration which cannot
deliver the goods. We are ready to give them
some time ; we are ready to see that they
produce some results. But they have to produce
results. If they do not produce results, things
might happen in West Bengal, not only in
West Bengal but in the rest of the country
which will shake the complacency of the
people in a manner which I do not wish to

contemplate in any specific detail at the
moment.

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, my colleague the
Minister for Planning will be intervening in a
more extensive and substantial manner. But
because this question of Dum Dum airport
and aviation has been raised by several
speakers, including the mover of the Resolu-
tion, Shri Indrajit Gupta, he has asked me
to intervene briefly for five minutes in order
to explain the position with regard to aviation.

May I say at the outset that any sort of
charge that the Government of India is in any
way neglecting aviation in Calcutta is extremely
unfair and unwarranted. In fact, I remember,
when I took over this Ministry in 1967, the
construction of the Calcutta terminal building
at that time had already been going on for
4-5 years. It was going at a snail’s pace.

I remember, a question was raised by some-
body as to whether, in view of the peculiar
situation in Calcutta, we should really continue
with that in a big way or whether we should
simply crawl along. But we took a definite
decision that the work must be completed as
early as possible and must be speeded up
So, a lot of money was spent on it. At a
cost of over Rs. 2 crores, the terminal building
was completed in 1969. The control tower
at a cost of Rs. 0.5 crores is under completion.
In addition to that, an Airport hotel at a
cost of Rs. 1.2 crores was also sanctioned by
my Ministry and is now under construction.
Therefore, the first thing that I would like to
say is, had there been any sort of desire
whatsoever on the part of the Government of
India to neglect Calcutta, not only would a
new project of Airport hotel not have been
sanctioned but ^the terminal building would
not have been finished souquickly. As far as
we are concerned, we have got the best termi-
nal building in India and the best facilities in
Calcutta.

With regard to traffic, the international
airlines function on the basis of bilateral
agreements and, in those bilateral agreements,
it is quite dear that it is the commercial
judgement of the airlines concerned which
will finally decide whether they are going to
operate. There is nothing we as the Govern-
ment can do to force any particular airline to
go anywhere. It has indeed been a matter

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of considerable distress to us, as I have said on
several occasions in this House, that several
international airlines have pulled out of Cal-
cutta. The reasons for this are many. Certainly,
the fact that political conditions were disturbed
for many years may have adversely affected
the traffic potential. I do not think that
airlines would pull out if they still can make
money. There must have been something
about the traffic potential that caused them
to pull out. However, we have gone out of
our way to try and encourage tourists to
come to Calcutta.

I was rather hurt when my esteemed
friend, Prof. H. N. Mukerjee, referred to
some incident about four or five years ago
where some official in the Department of
Tourism somewhere in India was reported by
some obscure tourist as having said, “You
should not go to Calcutta. It is bad for your
health*'. Whatever may have been r at
particular incident, I myself have gone out
of my way— I have travelled all over the
world ; I was in Europe early this year— in
every single press conference, to reiterate that
Calcutta and the whole of West Bengal
would welcome tourists. I issued special
instructions to the Government of India
Tourist offices in the country and to the Air
India offices that we should make a special
publicity for Calcutta, So, there is really no
reason, whatsoever, for our esteemed friends
to continue to nurture this sort of grievance
which is entirely without foundation. Air
India, from the 3rd November, is going to
operate a new service, originating from
Calcutta, going to London and terminating
in Calcutta, because there was a justifiable
feeling that they could not go directly, they
had to go to Bombay or Delhi in order to
get the ticket. I had intervened in the
matter, and Air Iryjia will & operating that
new service from 3rd November.

With regard to Jumbos, it is true that
Jumbos are being operated for the time
being on the high density routes between
Delhi, Bombay ?nd New York, but as soon
a$ the Jumbos operate to the east, /.e., to
Tokyo, as soon as that becomes commercially
feasible and we have enough planes, certainly
Calcutta will also be serviced by Jumbos.

I will just give one example of the way
in which— if I may say so with very great

respect— some of our friends from Bengal tend
to mis-read and mis-interpret events just
because they have this inborn feeling that
they are not being given a fair deal. My hon.
friend, Shri Indrajit Gupta, said that Calcutta
has got category 1I-ILO whereas Bombay and
Delhi have category I. It so happens that
category II-ILO is infinitely superior to
Category I. Category I is the first stage and
category II-ILS is a much better stage. In
fact, Calcutta, Bombay and Delhi have
Category II. Just because somebody hears
it is Category II, they assume that Category 1
is better than Category II and therefore, they
make a grievance out of it.

I would, therefore, very respectfully urge
on my hon. friends on the other side of the
House to give up this idea that the Govern-
ment of India in any of its department — and
I can certainly speak for the Ministry of
Tourism and Civil Aviation— will do anything
to adversely affect the interests of Calcutta.
Calcutta, and West Bengal, is a vital part
of our nation and it is as much the duty of
all of us, from whichever part of the country
we may come from, lo see that these interests
are not adversely affected, that they arc
safeguarded. That, Sir, is what we intend
to do.

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : I do
not want to deal with the whole problems
that West Bengal is facing today. I only
want to draw your attention, and the atten-
tion of the Government, to only one aspect,
namely, the discriminatory policy of the
Government, how it is contributing to the
economy of West Bengal. I come to the
policy of recruitment in regard to our armed
forces. In regard to West Bengal, the same
stepmotherly attitude, the condemnatory
attitude, the discriminatory attitude, that
was followed ^by the British rulers against
Bengal and the Bengalis, the same policy is
being followed even today, although the
first C.-in-C of our national Army, Gen.
Cariappa said on 15th August 1950 :

“Every Indian, whether he comes from
east or south or west or north or centre
can make a good soldier provided he has
certain essential qualities that are required
in a soldier and has good officers to
command him and is equipped well."

It is a historical fact that during the
Moghul days it was Bengal which had contri-
buted to the Moghul array during the period

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of East India Company it was Bengal which
had contributed to the British army— it was
the Bengal army that was the main-stay of
the British ; they recruited only from Bengal
and Bihar. But after 1857 rebellion, we know
what happened to the fate of the Bengalis ;
they were declared as non-material race. That
policy is still being followed by our Govern-
ment, I will just give you the figure. This
is the figure given by our Defence Minister in
reply to a question on April 7 last : the
State-wise record — I will not go into the past-
hut to only 1970-71 — Assam 1038, Bihar — 2300,
Orissa— 523, West Bengal— 1114, Punjab —
7353, Haryana — 3780, UP— 7460 and Rajas-
,han— 3557, Himachal Pradesh— 1180 and
Kashmir — 1375. That means that less than
2% is recruited from West Bengal and more
than 60% from a few favoured northern
States of Haryana, Punjab, UP and Kashmir,
Even out of these 1114 of West Bengal, most
of the recruits are Gurkhas and from the non-
Bcngalis who are also domiciled in Bengal,
and naturally, if you take that into account,
then the actual number of Bengalis recruited
will come to less than 500.

1 want to draw your attention that it is
not a question of— I should say— only injuring
the pride of the Bengalis but it is affecting
the growth of West Bengal in the industrial
sector, and agricultural sector and the econo-
mical potential also. I would like to give
you a quotation to show that the same policy
is being pursued Mr. Casey, a former
Governor of Bengal, wrote a book called
‘ Personal Experiences'. There he says :

“One of the many differences between
Bengal and a province like Punjab came
to light to-day when I was told that the
equivalent of £ 20,000,000 (Rs. 27 crores
at the then exchange rate) comes into
the Punjab each year by way of pay and
pension for serving and retired members
of the fighting forces. It must have an
appreciable effect on the prosperity of the
Punjab. Practically, nothing comes into
Bengal from this source, as practically no
Bengalis serve in the. fighting services".

Another book, I quote from, is 'Agony of
West Bengal * written by a reputed journalist,
Mr. Ranjit Roy Choudhary which I would
request the Minister to go through if the
Government want to really know the problems
of West Bengal. He says :

"In the 1950 jawans in the armed forces
sent to Punjab and Haryana more than
Rs. 50 crores representing savings of their
pay and allowances every year. To-day
(1971) I am told on good authority the
only annual savings of the Jawans from
' the Punjab and Haryana exceed Rs. 200
crores a year. This money does not lie
idle but is invested in agriculture and
industry in Punjab and Haryana".

As I have said, if we take even Casey’s
figures, it is 20 million pounds every year, and
now m 1970-71 Rs. 200 crores every year
poured into Punjab and Haryana. Naturally,
as I said already, it has an effect on the
economy of those States. It is being invested
and it has an impact there on the industry,
agriculture and other spheres also.

I would also draw your attention to
another point. That is about the policy of
employment of ex-defence personnel by the
Government. As it has been stated in the
Defence Ministry’s report this year also, that
10% of the vacancies in Class III categories
of the Central services are reserved for ex-
Servicemen and 20% of the Class IV categories
are also reserved for ex-servicemen. Accord-
ing to a judgement given by the Supreme
Court, this quantum can be revised upto 50%.
What does it mean 7 What will be its effect ?
You will have in those categories more than
60% recruits from only just a specialist sector
and a small sector for whom this quantum
in services is going to be reserved. The
result of that particularly in the case of
Bengali people and also the people of Orissa
and Assam will be that their percentage in
the Central Services which is almost every
year decreasing will dwindle further. It will
have this effect. Not only that, I would draw
your attention to another thing. West Bengal
every year pays Rs. 600 crores to our national
revenue and we spend for the defence on an
average Rs. 1300 crores. fTiat means roughly
33% of our national revenue is spent for our
defence purposes. West Bengal’s contribution
is Rs. 200 crores to the defence purposes.
What is the benefit that she derives ? That
hardly comes to one per cent. There was a
general theory that Bangalees are good for
the air force or the navy, having engineering
capacity, having capacity of handling technical
equipments etc. but that they are not fit for
the ground forces. I just want to quote a
sentence from a book, The Himalayan
Blunder by Brigadier J. P. Dalvi. White

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[Shri Samar Guha]

describing the Thagla ridge battles of October
10, 1962. with the Chinese, he says :

“Jamadar Bose’s platoon was left with
10 men after holding three Chinese attacks.
He too charged with his Bayonet. I hope
that the conduct and gallantry of Jamadar
Biswas and Jarnadar Bose and their men
will forever still the voice of those who
delighted in denigrating the martial
prowess of our Bengali brethren. They
fought with great elan and determination”.

During the last war, we were looking for
the Bengali people in the Armed force for
geo-political reasons, that is, those who knew
the geography of the area, who knew the
language of the area, who knew the social and
other characteristics of the area. This imbalance
in our recruitment policy should go. This
discrimination between so called martial and
non-martial people should go. The Govern-
ment on many occasions says that the class
character, communal character and other
characteristics of the British will be abolished.
But that policy has not been implemented.
Necessary employment potential should be
generated and distributed over this region so
that it can be indirectly used as capital invested
in industrial and agricultural growth, and this
policy of discrimination should go. I want to
quote Irom the official account of the Defence
organisation after independence. This is a
publication of the Government of India.
It says :

“The theory of martial and non-martial
classes was completely exploded during
the 2nd world war. Soon after 15-8-47,
the Government of India decided as a
matter of policy that all communal and
class compositions should be eliminated
from the Indian army and that all Indian
nationals should 1 have equal opportunities
of service in it.”

It just remained same as an imperial
commitment, a British commitment. It was
not possible to implement it in the case of
army corps, in the case of our defence services.

"The system of class composition of the
Army has not been introduced in the
Navy and Air Force ”,

Another American scholar who has stayed

here for a long time to have hisdoctrate
degree has written in a book called The
Indian Army— Its contribution to the deve-
lopment of the Nation , says :

"The system of recruitment coincides

with the predisposition of many military

men who believe in some variation of the

martial race theory’.”

I want to conclude by saying that this policy
of recruitment to the Army, Navy and the
Air Force does not only affect the pride of
the young men of Bengal but it is also
indirectly affecting the potentiality of indus-
trial and agricultural development and also
the employment position in West Bengal. If
Government want to do something, then I
would only make another request to them.
The massive influx of the middle class popu
lation from East Bengal, has added to the
middle class of West Bengal. During the
pre-Partition days, East Bengal had the
highest concentration of middle class people in
the whole of India ; out of them, 90 per cent
have now migrated to West Bengal, and this
middle class consists of people who arc very
idealistic, very patriotic and very visionary ;
these middle class people are now providing
the fuse to the explosive situation in West
Bengal. If Government do not properly
tackle this fuse, the whole situation in West
Bengal may turn into a real explosion. The
explosive situation may turn into a real
explosion.

Therefore, I would request that in regard
to the policy of recruitment to the Armed
Forecs, the tackling particularly of the sensi-
tive and idealistic middle class Bengalis
should be given top priority in the matter
of dealing with the problems of West Bengal.

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAOJ : The hon.
Minister of Planning will reply to the various
points that have been made, and, therefore,

I shall confine myself to some of the points
which Shri Indrajit Gupta had made. He
had put some straight questions to me, and I
would try to answer these questions.

Regarding the discharge of water from the
Farakka barrage, I submit that I have already
laid a long statement about it on the Table
of the House. Shri Indrajit Gupta had
wanted to know who were the persons who

251 Problems of Economic BHADRA 3,

we re consulted at the time it was sanctioned
and how the operation programme was drawn
up. At that time, Mr. Man Singh, a very
distinguished Chief Engineer of West Bengal,
and Mr. Majumdar, another very distinguished
Chief Engineer of West Bengal had gone into
the matter together, and they two discussed
and said that about 20,000 cusecs of water
would be enough to keep the port of Calcutta
healthy. That was the impression at that
time, and even in 1952-57. Then we con-
sulted Pro. Hensen. He was the first man
who suggested that 20,000 cusecs would not
be sufficient, but we should have 40,000 cusecs,
and he has given an operation schedule.
What we have adopted in the sanctioned
estimate is exactly a copy of that operation
schedule We thought it better to have the
bigger one. That was how it happened. That
was how the operation schedule was for 40,000
cusecs for ten months and 20,000 cusecs for the
period from March to mid- May. A copy of
the English text signed by him as also the
German text is with me, and if the hon. Member
wants to see it, I shall be very happy to show
it to hun

Shri B. K. Daschowdhary had said that
the Estimates Committee had stated that it
should be 40,000 cusecs and so on. What the
Estimate Committee has done is that they
have only given a description of the project,
and they have only said that the project
after completion will enable diversion of
40,000 cusecs of water from the Ganga to the
Bhaguathi. That is exactly what we are also
saying. Everyone, therefore, wants that it
should be 40,000 cusecs. The only question
was about the 20,000 cu*ecs for about two
months. The Estimates Committee has said
nothing about this particular aspect.

Then, Shri Indrajit Gupta had asked why
Ganga-Brahmaputra Commission had not been
consulted about this. The Ganga-Brahma-
putra Commission has been set up purely to
discuss the question of flood control projects
°f an inter-Stale nature ; that is
to say, if a flood control project is
constructed in one State, it may
affect the other State, and in those cases, this
Commission would come into the picture.
So, this commission was not set up for any
irrigation or other projects, but it was set up
purely for flood control projects, and it was
in that capacity that it was functioning, and
that was why this question was not taken up
with them.

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Shri Indrajit Gupta had also referred to
the size of the locks at Jangipur being
reduced. In fact, the fact of the matter is
that it is the other way round. Under the
original estimate, there was no lock at all.
The whole thing developed on the basis of
what happened between Jangipur and the
mouth of the Bhagirathi, where it takes off
from the Padma, and it was that region which
was silting up. In that reach, there was flow
of water only for three months.

The rest of the months it is completely
dry. So we thought it was no use to put in
a lock there and take the boats only for three
months from Bhagirathi to Ganga. On the
other hand, we thought it was much better to
have a big lock and bigger arrangements for
all the time so that they will go through the
feeder canal and get into the Ganga. That was
why in the original estimate, Jangipura lock was
not provided. But at my instance, after exami-
nation of the whole question, we got the advice
that even for these three months we might
put in the lock just for transfer of country
boats. That is how it has come And it is
also not small ; it is 234 ft long and 42 ft.
wide and it will function for three months.
For the rest of the period, the boats go through
the feeder canal and get into the Ganga or
Padma, as it may be called.

The hon. member referred to the Ganga-
Brahmaputra link and so on. We have not
forgotten it. We are fully alive to the prob-
lem and the possibilities of the problem.
Ganga is one of our magnificent rivers carrying
400 million acre feet of water. Unfortunately,
this water does not come all thiough the year.
There is a lean period of two months.. Our
requirement will be 2-3 million acre feet
in these months. It is a very small quan-
tity. For that, linkage with Brahma-

putra will be very valuable. But we
cannot go into it unless the matter is discussed
and settled with Bangla Dt4h, our very good
friend and neighbour. Unless we discuss this
matter with and get clearance, we cannot
talk too much about it. Apart from that,
there are possibilities of undei ground water
through tubewells and so many other methods.
We have to meet the demands of the various
projects in those two lean months. As I
said, it is a very small quantity of 2-3 million
acre feet. I think it is quite possible by taking
up some projects to tackle this problem. We
have thought of this idea, but we are not
mentioning too much about these for obvious
reasons,

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[Dr. K. L. Rao]

I am sure hon. members will not have the
feeling that we have overlooked this. We are
determined to see that the port of Calcutta
is kept completely functional and as beautiful
as possible. The statement that was laid on
the Table represents a practical proposition.
Everybody has accepted it. As soon as the
results of the prototype are known, we shall
proceed further. As I said, it is not very
difficult to fill up this gap of water.

Then the hon. member said that the irriga-
tion percentage in West Bengal is very low.
It is not quite correct: The percentage is
31.4. For Andhra Pradesh, it is 34, for UP
it is between 34 and 35. At the same time,
I am fully alive to it. We have got extremely
valuable underground sources of water. The
cultivated area in West Bengal is 16 1 million
acres. Therefore, for the 45 million people
there, we must have intensive cultivation. To
that end, we should see that the irrigation
roust be expanded at least twice, 60 to 70 per
cent, as we have in Punjab. That is what I
want to submit. It is not that Bengal has been
neglected or ignored.

Shri Gupta referred to the DVC. I do
not know who is responsible for the rumour.
I have not seen any reports in the papers
about it.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :
This is a chance for him to deny the rumour.

SHRI K L RAO : There is absolutely
no such idea at all. We have not even
thought of it. The point is this. In the
DVC, there are a number of dams. We have not
acquired land fully in the Maithor and Panchet
area to work to *fjjll capacity. Those areas
must be acquired. So I appointed a com-
mittee of engineers to go into this. They
wanted those areas to be acquired. Similarly,
the Bihar Government has asked for irrigation
in Gaya and Hazaribagh. So we appointed
another committee who recommended like-
wise. I sent the reports of both committees
to both the Chief Ministers and asked them
to discuss the matter. That is all that has
happened. Both the Chief Ministers met at
Delhi and had a very amicable discussion. I
was just a witness. We wanted that the
concerned Chief Ministers should discuss and
settle it. They stt up a working group. As

soon as the working group gives its propo-
sals, — it was given three months’ time— we
can discuss the whole thing, and I am sure
they will arrive at an amicable settlement.
Delays should not happen. Otherwise, I do
not understand why there should be waste of
money. That is how it is going about. The
hon. Member can rest assured that we want
to strengthen the D. V. C. That is why we
have sanctioned more power units. The
Chandrapura unit has been sanctioned. We
want to develop more and more power to
the greatest extent possible.

Then the other questions are rural electi-
fication and shortage of power. I would
submit in this connection, as I submitted
before, that the installed capacity in West
Bengal is about 1700 mw. The load is about
1100 mw, and 1700 mw. is more than ample
to serve a load of 1100 mw. Unfortunately,
there is shedding and other troubles : there
is too much of load on the DVC and
constant shedding is cropping up. If you
have another 50 mw there would be no
shortage at all. But unfortunately it is not
there and so in the case of power, we cannot
do anything except to depend upon the new
projects. That is what we are doing. Now,
the Santhaldih and Chandrapura units are
coming up very shortly in the course of this
year. When these projects are completed,
we are going to put in the transmission lines
over to Calcutta, I think, in the course of a year,
Also, we are trying to connect Orissa. There
is going to be an extra, surplus power in
Belimela, and we are going to connect all that
with Calcutta. So, in the course of one year
it may be possible for us to get over the
present acute shortage of power ; rather the
difficulties ; I would not call it shortage, but
difficulties in regard to power.

The other day, I was saying that the
Planning Commission has recently sanctioned
the Bandel extension and Dhalkola station and
so on. More will be sanctioned. There is no
limit. So, the hon. Member can rest assured
that we are fully alive to this. In 1978-79, the
power requirements of West Bengal will be
much more, say, 2,500 mw and so all these
power projects will be takert care of.

We are also trying to find out the need
for equipment. The other day, they wanted
some spares for Durgapur project, and we are
trying to airlift them. We are spending about

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rs. 3 lakhs for that. We know the situation
there.

About rural electrification, it is true that
the position in West Bengal has been very bad.
But nowadays, we are taking up to 10 per cent
and there is greater activity. The Rural Electri-
fication Corporation is spending about Rs. 15
crores on West Bengal, which is the second
largest amount given for all the various States.
This is the second largest amount it has given,
next only to Uttar Pradesh which has the
largest population. This is the second biggest
sanction that was given. They in fact have gone
out of the way in sanctioning the transmission
lines also. A scheme costing a crorc of rupees
has been sanctioned for the transmission lines,
which generally is not done for every States. We
feel sad that out of 38,000 villages that we have
got in West Bengal, only 4,000 are electrified
at present ; it is bad. Therefore, wc want to
improve it.

What I want to submit is that West
Bengal is not being neglected. On the other
hand, it is being given every kind of attention
and every effort is being made by all the
departments. I would only join my senior
colleague, the hon. Minister of Tourism, and
appeal to the hon Members, “Do not have
any feeling that West Bengal is being neg-
lected.” There is nothing like that. We are
all one. West Bengal is a precious part of
our country and it is perpaps more precious
than other parts. It has produced the biggest
sons of India and has contributed much, of
which we are proud. So, while making
speeches, do not have any feeling that it is
being treated in any different way.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Dinen
Bhatlacharyya, your amendment is time-
barred, but you may make some observa-
tions.

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA
(Serampore) : Sir, I wanted to move one
amendment. Though it could not be formally
moved, I want to mention here that in the
resolution of Shri Inderjit Gupta, after the
words “economic stagnation” I wanted to add
<( and the deterioratiug law and order situ-
ation”.

My point is that apart from the econo-
mic staganation, the deteriorating law and
order situation also must be looked into in all
seriousness. Here I want to refer to a news

item from yesterday’s Statesman given by
Shri Kalyan Roy, a Rajy Sabha member
belonging to the party of Shri Indrajit
Gupta, which is running the Government in
West Bengal. The news item says that Shri
Kalyan Roy during interview with the Labour
Minister, Shri Khadilkar mentioned that about
600 workers belonging to his union and wor-
king in collieries were being prevented from
attending to their work by a section of the
INTUC. He further alleged that four AITUC
leaders were assaulted in Durgapur by INTUC
elements on 1st August.

Then, only last week in another place, in
the Writer's Building, the Labour Minister
convened a meeting of the representatives of
the workers of the Hindustan Steel factory
situated in Dum Dum because there were
certain disputes between the workers and the
management. The workers were represented
by the UTUC leader, Shri Fatik Ghosh. In
front of the Home Secretary’s chamber this
leader, accredited leader in the trade union
field in West Bengal, he was on the point of
being kidnapped with the intention of murder.
This has appeared in the papers.

15-52 hrs

[Shri K. N. Tiwari in the Chair ]

So, it is not confined only to colliery
areas ; law and order problem is there in other
areas also. If you go through a newspaper
supporting the Government party, the
mic Times, it says in banner headlines that
the situation prevailing in West Bengal cannot
be helpful for production. In Texmaco and
Jay Engineering hundreds of workers could
not go to work because the goonda elements,
with the help and direct connivance of the
police, prevented them from going to work.

Whatever steps you «ay take for econo-
mic development, unless the law and order
situation is improved, there can he no progress.
But the law and order situation in West
Bengal is deteriorating day by day. Now there
is no rule of law in West Bengal. So, this
aspect has to be looked into. I would also appeal
to the Congress members to look into this.
In fact, even a Congress leader like Shri
Lakshmi Kant Ghosh, holding a meeting in a
maidan, accused the Congress of working
against the interests of a registered trade
union. I want to see that this is stopped once
and for all We are for democracy in the trad*

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[Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya]

union field. If you want to have your organi-
sation in any field, do not try to have it by
forcing the workers.

Professor Hiren Mukerjee has referred to
how we have been treated. Regarding the
circular railway for Calcutta assurances were
given not only by the Railway Minister but by
other Ministers also. Still nothing came out
of it. Shri Inderjit Gupta has referred to the
Howrah-Amda and Howrah-Shertala light
railway. I do not know whether the hon.
Minister, Shri D. P. Dhar, is in a position to
do that, but I want a categorical statement
from the government that this railway line
will be re-opened. Let him give a clear answer
in which year, in which month, it is to be re-
opened. We can wait. But let him come for-
ward with a definite answer.

Many things are being said here, in this
House, in the newspapers and by the West
Bengal Government Ministers. They are daily
coming forward with assurances. I do not know.
Regarding the re-opening of closed factories, one
container factory is there in 24-Praganas, near
Naihati, which is now in a chaotic condition,
most bankrupt management and most corrupt
management. They are still being allowed to
loot the property of the factory. The report
has been given by a committee that was set up
to go into the affairs of that factory. They
said that it is a sick factory and it should be
taken over directly by the Government. But
nothing has yet come out.

Another point that I want to make is that
some cotton mills have been taken over 4 It is
very good. I am not just going to make any
comment in that respect. But m respect of two
mills, one is Rampuria Cotton Mills and the
other is LaxminarairPCotton spinning Mills —
Rampuria is a composite mill — in the course
of a reply to the question put by Shri Samar
Mukerjee, the Government said that the inquiry
is over and the steps are being taken to take
over these two mills. Now, the West Bengal
Government Labour Minister has come for-
ward with a statement that Rs. 2 lakhs will be
sanctioned by the West Bengal Government for
taking over these two factories. I do not know
in which raj we are living. Is it Muhamad
Tughlak raj or is it progressive raj of
Shrimatf India Gandhi 7 Rs. 24 lakhs are still
due in respect of provident fund only of the

Rampuria Mill workers. They are now coming
forward with great magnanimity that they are
re-opening the factory. In the case of the
Laxminarain Mill, it is not less than Rs. 10
lakhs due to the workers in respect of provi-
dent fund only. Now, the West Bengal Govern-
ment says that Rs. 20 lakhs will be given on the
condition that the Centre gives them per-
mission. The Central Government says that
the necessary steps are being taken and the
inquiry is being conducted.

I know what they will say. They will ask
the West Bengal Government to start a Textile
Corporation. I do not know what will happen.
But this is the situation. Neither the factories
are being re-opened nor they are being taken
over. Even if the factories are re-opened, the
workers are not being taken there. There are
still about 400 factones which arc closed.

They say that they will solve the unemp-
loyment problem. The veiy simple thing is, if
you re-open these closed factories, more than 1
lakh workers will get employment So, I would
humbly request the Minister to look into this
law and order situation and create a situation
in which democratic mass organisations of
different sections of the people may function
and workers may go to their factory jobs
without any apprehension of being stabbed or
being assaulted by goonda elements who are
in the pay-rolls of the Congress.

16 hrs.

SHRI S. R. DAMANl (Sholapur) : I
thank you very much for giving me some
time to participate in the discussion on the
Resolution before the House. I have gone
through the speeches of my hon. friends, Shri
Indrajit Gupta, Shri Samai Mukhcrjee and
many other members.

Before I say something about the present
conditions, I would like to draw attention to
the fact that West Bengal was the highest
beneficiary of the planned development, com-
pared to all other States ; this can be seen
either from the Central schemes or from the
financial assistance given by the Centre and
it will be known that from the time of the
First Five-Year Plan, more benefits were given
to West Bengal. That might have been due
to the personality of Or. B. C. Roy. During
ten years, in his period, many new industries
came up in Calcutta and other parts of West
Bengal ; West Bengal had made very remark-

265 Problems of Economic fcHADRA

able progress as far as industrial production
was concerned, as far as employment was
concerned, as far as irrigation and power were
concerned. But, after the expiry of Dr, B C.
Roy, what has happened? Our friend, Mr.
Samar Mukherjee, was accusing Chhatra
Parishad, What was their party doing at that
time when they came to power ? They were the
first party who instigated the workers, who
started gheraos, who started intimidating the
employers, and the result was what you see
today— stagnation. How many factories were
closed down due to their action ? I think, at
least 5,000 factories were closed down when
they were having their Government in West
Bengal.

The workers’ interests may be protected.
It is the duty of the trade unions to look
after the interests of workeis. But it is also
the duty of trade unions to look to production,
to give assistance to entrepreneurs and the
Government to put up more industries, to
help them to increase the production. Why
did they have this gherao and threats of
murders ? Nowhere in the world industry has
developed that way.

They alleged that Chhatra Parishad and
the Congress were taking law in their own
hands. But who started ? Why do you accuse
Chhatra Parishad or the Cognress ? This is
the result of the action taken by the CPM at
that time.

Our country is a developing country. We
require production. Our population is very
big. Sec the example of Durgapur, if there
had been co-ordination, that unit which is
running with 40 per cent efficiency, would have
been running more efficiently. May be, there
were some management defects. But how
many unions are there ? Almost everyday
there is strike and some departments are
closed down. Ultimately, who suffers ? It
is the country which suffers. Our production
of steel has gone down to the barest mini-
mum. Durgapur steel plant had very big
losses. Government had to import steel by
paying foreign exchange, to meet the country’s
requirement. If they had co-operated, it was
possible to double the capacity of Durgapur
and make the country self-sufficient. But
they did not want to. But they want to cri-
ticise the Government only. They do not want
to co-operate as far as production is con-
cerned. They must protect their rights. That

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is all right, but they must also look to the
production also But, only by accusing the
Government and by blaming the Central
Government, the purpose is not going to be
served.

I want to say one thing. If they really want
that West Bengal should be developed and
there is now stagnation and the population is
increasing— 1 very often go to Calcutta and I
had been there in Calcutta recently and, Sir,
what I saw we are sorry for that— unless
the co-operation is there from the Trade
Unions and from the friends on the other
side, things are not going to improve. It is
no use accusing the Government and put
the blame on the Government. So, my
humble request is that they should try to
protect the rights of the workers, but, side
by side, they should also sec that production
increases. In Japan, in Germany and all those
countries, you see that there are trade unions
also but are they so much non-cooperative as
far as production is concerned ? Sir, there they
make an agreement for one year and there
is no trouble for the whole year. Here, to-day
one agreement is reached, the next day it is
broken and another agreement is required.
Then these people have no peace of mind to
work. So, unless this condition is not solved,

I do not think things can improve.

You have given me time and I thank you
very much and I say that the position has
deteriorated not because of the Cong-
ress-Sir, under the Chief Minister, B. C.
Roy’s regime things improved enormously and
West Bengal made great strides but things
started deteriorating as soon as they took the
reins of administration. They are responsible
for that, not the Congress Government.

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING (SHRI
D. P: DIIAR) :* I was jinfortunate to have
missed in person a very lucid and elaborate
speech which the hon. mover of this resolu-
tion delivered some days ago in this House.
I, however, had the privilege of going through
the verbatim record of what he said.

In essence, I think we can divide the
subject into two parts. One part relates merely
to a few specific problems and the other part
relates to the general question of the develop-
ment, the economic development and the social
development of West Bengal. I am afraid my
distinguished friend* Mr. Gupta f while moving

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[Shri D. P. Dhar]

•

the resolution, spent a good deal of time on
dwelling on some of the specific issues like
the Farakka barrge, Calcutta Port, oil explo-
ration, etc. in West Bengal, the question of jute
prices, the question relating toper-acre agricultu-
ral yield, the question relating to power
shortages and also to the question relating to
the negligence or alleged negligence of Calcutta
airport by Air India, etc.

As far as Farkka and Calcutta Port are con-
cerned and also as far as the allegation regar-
ding the negligence of Calcutta airport by Air
India is concerned, I am grareful to my
colleagues, the Minister for Civil Aviation
and the Minister for Irrigation & Power, for
having somewhat lightened my task in having
dealt with their subjects. But, I would certain-
ly like to add, with the permission of my
colleague, that, as far as the future of the
port of Calcutta is concerned, it is not a matter
which is of importance only to West Bengal, It
is of importance to West Bengal because it is
located there. But there are large number of
questions of employment, of various structural
associations etc. which are connected with the
issue of the future of the Calcutta port.
Without being sentimental about it, without
talking about the past of West Bengal,— its
glorious past, — without talking about the great
contribution made by that part of our country
to the freedom struggle of our land (which, in
itself is a glorious chapter of our history),
without sentimentalising, if 1 may say so,
of this issue, without unnecessarily going into
the history of the issue, as Professor
Mukherjee wished to go, I wish to say, the
importance of Calcutta port ps a viable
efficient port, is for the whole of the country,
and therefore, the economy of the whole coun-
try is greatly associated with the proper and
efficient functioning of the Port of Calcutta.

I am sure, after the lengthy statement
which was made by my colleague Dr. Rao, the
apprehensions which rightly or wrongly— in
my opinion absolutely wrongly were enter-
tained regarding the nature of the Farakka
Barrage and the quantum of water which
would be discharged for cleansing the choking
port of Calcutta by sullage, would have been
allayed, if not fully removed.

About oil exploration in West Bengal once
again there bas been an unfair insinuation that

this region of the country has been specially
excluded from a closer and more intimate
attention in the matter of oil exploration than,
for example, the area from which my old and
distinguished friend Mr. H M. Patel comes.
That is not a fact. The fact of the matter is,
we proceeded on the basis of the data avai-
lable to us, to explore for oil by drilling at a
place called Bodra. We discovered that tho
possibility of striking oil or gas was almost
extinct. Therefore we again reviewed the
position. We have now started very sophisti-
cated seismic studies with sophisticated ins-
truments in the entire range of West
Bengal for locating more promising tracks of
oil or gas. This has been considered necessary
not only by experts of the ONGC but also the
top experts of the Soviet Union.

I would Ilk to assure the mover of (he Reso-
lution and his colleagues and the people of
West Bengal that they should not entertain
any doubts about our intentions. As soon as
this work is over, we shall begin the work of
exploration at great speed or hastily, if I
may say so, whereever promise is held out, of
reasonable success.

The other question relates to power
shortages. My learned colleague Dr. K. L.
Rao has given a picture of the future that we
visualise with regard to the generation of
power in West Bengal. But what we are
interested in or concerned with is today or
the immediate future, because the problems
that face us are really of a very urgent nature
in West Bengal particularly, and, therefore,
we have got to make our best endeavour to
see that the installed capacity, a good portion
of which is lying idle and the capacity that
is available but is run and managed inefficiently
is looked into, thoroughly examined and the
faults and the inadequacies determined and
quick remedial measures taken.

I have taken note of the complaint made
by my hon. friend Shri Indrajit Gupta that
the committee which has been appointed to
examine the causes which were responsible for
those shortages and what he has called the
mismanagement of the distribution of the
power system in West Bengal or most
parts of it is composed mostly of those persons
who are responsible for this management. If
I remember the figures correctly, he said that
out of six members, perhaps four belong to
these agencies. I have received a. similar

269 Troblems of Economic BHADRA 3 1

complaint, not regarding the composition of
the committee, but the Government of West
Bengal have complained bitterly about certain
defects and certain lacunae which are apparent
both in the generation and in the distribution
of power within the quantities within which
it is available, and we have decided in the
Planning Commission, in consultation with
the Government of West Bengal, and I shall
have no difficulty in persuading my colleague
the hon. Minister of Irrigation and Power, to
appoint a high-powered committee in which
experts from the Centre and otherwise will be
associated with comprehensive terms of
reference to see (a) how, and how quickly we
shall be in a position to utilise to the fullest
available resources for generation of power in
West Bengal, and (b) to organise its distri-
bution and the conveyance of this power with
minimum losses and greatest efficiency. I hope
that within a couple of months, we should be
in a position to know exactly the nature of
the malady and also equally exactly the nature
of the remeny.

As far as the question of jute prices and
the per acre — acre agricultural yield is
concerned, I shall with your permission come
to this issue a little later. What I, however,
expected and hoped to be educated upon was
the basic feature of the structure of the
economy of West Bengal in its totality, and I
further most hungrily awaited to be educated
as to how we could apply the proper remedies
in order to achieve results quickly and
speedily. 1 must admit that my long wait
has been rather futile and I have been some-
what disappointed. Of course, I am sick and
tired of listening to questions of disturbances,
somebody disturbing some public meeting
being held, somewhere there being lockout,
somewheie there being strike, and so on.
Somebody is this parishad and somebody else
is that parishad and so on. I even listened
with the utmost respect and attention
to the tales of woe regarding the law and
order situation in West Bengal from quarters
from whom I did not expect to hear it. The
anguish of sowing wind and reaping a whirl
wind .perhaps holds good even today. But
lam not a control ersialist and I do not
believe in indulging in idle polemics. But I
think the time has come when we should turn
our backs on that unfortunate, tragic period
of disorder and disharmony in West Bengal.
Whoever may be responsible for it, I am not
here to apportion blame. Nobody has made

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me a judge to pronounce who is wrong
and who is right. But I am a judge
of the situation in the sense that such
a situation did exist and that situation had to
teiminate if we had to hope for an orderly
development, if we bad to take to the path
of a peaceful development and reconstruction
of our economy in West Bengal.

SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL (Barrack-
pore) : If you are sincere, we are.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I can assure the
hon member that 1 would be the last person
to be so impertinent as to question his
sincerity. I readily agree and 1 would not
even by inadvertence, by the remotest innu-
endo, attribute such actions of violence and
disorder to the hon. member. I would never
indulge in such an irresponsible utterance.
Neverthelesss, I was referring to a situation.
That situation cannot be called a natural
calamity. It was a man-made calamity. It
was a situation created by man and it is our
duty to see that those disorderly elements are
isolated so that we are able to give buoyance
not to violence but to development. That is
the only way we can go forward,

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER :
Find out from your own party.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : He says
disorderly elements should be dealt with
equally, irrespective of the party to which they
belong, including your own.

SHRI D P DHAR : Certainly, as soon
as you find me disorderly, you are at liberty
to deal with me.

Coming bac^ to an examination of the
broad contours of the structure of the West
Bengal economy, there are certain things
which— {Interruption)

MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him continue.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Except to the
extent that I am taking notice of this highly
orderly behaviour, I have nothing more to say.

Coming back to the enunciation of the
broad contours of the economy of West
Bengal, we see that in the field of industry,
and its history— as it was hinted very briefly

271 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of West 272

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[Shri D. P. Dhar]

by Prof. H. N. Mukerjee— West Bengal’s
industry had a colonial base. It bad a colonial
orientation, though West Bengal was the
pioneer in industrial efforts of the country
before Independence. The classical examples
of this type of industry are provided by jute
and by coal. As we know, jute has reached
a point of diminishing returns and it is
suffering from a large number of ills. We
also know in the recessionary period the
production of coal did not reach the targets
that were envisaged and, therefore, in both
these sectors, West Bengal unfortunately was
hit veiy severely.

Then in the second category of industry
which developed rapidly m the fifties falls the
engineering industries. The engineering indus-
tries in West Bengal were hit unfortunately
mainly by the recessionary period through
which we passed.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : The national retention price of
steel.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : So far as the
question of pi ice is concerned, it is a separate
matter. It is not only one factor which is
responsible for this There arc a large number
of factors which are responsible for this
recession. I need not go into them because
I have read some erudite thesis on the question
of recession from the party to which Mr.
Jyotirmoy Bosu belongs ; and with quite a
number of those formulas I am in complete
agreement, though Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu does
not seem to agree with some of them. The
fact remains that the engineering industry in
this country was the first victim of recession,
and as a result, the economy of West Bengal
was hit very hard. .

ft*

If we go to agriculture, I have no hesi-
tation in saying that the development in
agriculture has been almost slothful. It has
been extremely slow in this field, because of
various factors Instead of going into these
factors, I would rather suggest remedies than
raise controversies.

The basic question, therefore, is in the
first field, namely, the field of industry. What
do we do ? 1 would submit that in the first
instance, a diversification of the industrial
structure, the industrial investment, in West

Bengal is essential. This is thejjpomise which
the Central Government made, and I can
assure Mr. Indrajit Gupta that from this
promise the Central Government is not going
to backslide.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : What is that
promise ?

SHRI D. P. DHAR ; That there will be
diversification from the traditional base of
industries in West Bengal and a certain
amount of new lines of industrialisation will
be introduced. We have the petro-chemical
structure ; we have the steel alloy structure,
and so on and so forth.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Are you
aware of the fact that out of a total allocation
of about Rs. 55 crores from institutional
financing for minor irrigation, West Bengal
got nothing but zero ?

SHRI D P. DHAR : I thought the
distinguished Member did realise that minor
irrigation is part of agriculture, not of indust-
ry. When I come to agriculture, j will talk
about it.

SHRI JYOTIMOY BOSU Jute is an
agro-based industry ?

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Jute is not an
agro-based industry. Jute is a raw material
for agro-based industry.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Jute mills
arc agro-based industry. You are right
there.

SHRI D. P, DHAR : I accept quite a
number of your theses except some which
you do not accept yourself.

The question, therefore, is that as far as
the industries which are installed there are
concerned, namely, the engineering industries,
they suffer from what has become fashionable
in our country sickness. In the case of
every industry— in many cases I admit— where
the owner takes away the milk and the cream
out of the industry, he declares it sick and
the sick child falls in our lap. My hon.
friends there also say, yes, the Government
should take it over because out of the kind-
ness of their heart which always melts on such

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iResn.)

occasions. tbe| Bay, that so many workers
wifj starve and, therefore, you adopt this sick
child. This process of adoption is endless.
E Ven the healthy children are now falling
sick and, I ana afraid, a time may come,
unless and until we do something drastic
about it, when the lap of the Central Govern-
ment will be not only full but will have no
capacity, even if it is joined with the capacious
lap of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, to hold any sick

child.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What
about R. P. Goenka and Balmer Lawrie ?

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Ultimately, even
he may fall sick. That is my difficulty.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU And reco-
ver elsewhere.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : 1 will send them

to you for maternity care.

I am grateful to the West Bengal Govern-
ment for the highly competent planning board
which they have set up and which can be an
example to many States in the country. I
have told them that it is time not only to
start with curative measures, namely, when
the person falls sick, you start a cure, but
also preventive measures. Therefore, we have
agreed in the Planning Commission with this
highly laudable suggestion of the West Bengal
Government. The Chief Minister was here
yesterday with his colleagues of the planning
board, as I said, a very competent, a very
efficient planning board ..

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Chickens
have been counted before they are hatched.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Well, it depends
on your capacity. It is a question of incuba-
tion. The processes are different. I would
again deal with chicken when I come to
agriculture.

Therefore, we have agreed in the Planning
Commission in conjunction with the Govern-
ment of West Bengal that we shall help either
the Industrial Reconstruction Corporation,
strengthen it, or have a new machinery to
examine thoroughly the working of some of
these mills, some of these enterprises, so that
we examine in each case what is exactly the

malady from which an industry is likely to
suffer.

Secondly, and I think this fact is incon-
trovertible, in the last two or three years we
have tried to increase the orders for those
industries of things which they are competent
and capable of manufacturing, namely, wagons,
and the orders run into several crores. We
feel that if the climate of harmony prevails,
as it is prevailing by and large today in
West Bengal, and given the necessary effort,
given the necessary financial assistance, given
the necessary managerial competence which is
not lacking in our country, I think that in a
short period of time most of these enterprises
will be well on their way to a healthy exis-
tence.

Thirdly, we are also conscious of the fact
that the second category of engineering indust-
ries is suffering from lack of raw materials,
mainly steel. We again discussed this question
with the Government of West Bengal yester-
day and we are trying to do our best, as far
as the engineering industry in West Bengal is
concerned, to increase the allocation of some
of the essential raw materials.

As far as jute is concerned, I do agree
with Shri Gupta that there must be a rationa-
le in determining the jute prices. But what
is far more important is that whatever in-
crease you may make in the jute price reaches
the grower, the man who produces. The
difficulty in West Bengal is— I am sorry. I
speak as if I am a Bengali though my sub-
caste sometimes dots create some difficulty
and embarrasfment to my distinguished
friend, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu — that the ele-
ment of price which the producer gets is lower
than the price that is usually fixed. So, I
was very happy to find t^pj the West Bengal
Government was fully aware of this fact, and
the manner in which they want to deal with
this question gives me hope that any increases
which will take place, or are likely tc take
place, in the jute prices, consistent with the
prices of the end products which have got
to be competitive, those increases will reach
the grower and will not be pocketed by the
middlemen.

SHRI JYOTIMOY BOSU : What about
the Jute Enquiry Committee Report ? That
was scuttled under pressure.

275 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation ofW \ Bengal (Resn ) 276

SHRI D. P, DHAfc : There is no pres-
sure. 1 hope Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu knows me
sufficiently well. I am not under pressure of
the gentleman he is referring to. 1 will never
be a party to any organisation which yields
to such pressure.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am talking
of the entire government.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : The Government
is clean ; it does not suffer from pressures.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The people
are not convinced of it.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I am convinced
that the people of India are convinced of it.
While I submitted that every effort has
to be made on some of the lines -the list
is by no means exhaustive— for the rehabilita-
tion of the industries and the industrial struc-
ture, for its diversification, for its expansion
in West Bengal, at the same time, the main
prosperity both in terms of generating employ-
ment and in terms of generating higher money
incomes will come from the favoured subject
of my distinguished friend, Shri Jyotirmoy
Bosu, namely, the chicken, namely, agricul-
ture, West Bengal is about to embark on,

I should say, comparatively, reasonable pro-
gressive land legislation. In my opinion,
when fulfilled, this will be one of the pre-
conditions for releasing the energies of the
agricultural population, for devoting them to
greater production. Along with that, we have
got to have package piogammes so that the
facilities of credit, the facilities of better seeds,
fertilisers, pesticides, etc. and water, above
all— irrigation- are made available not to the
upper, richer layer of agriculturists but the
lowest layer of agriculturists. ( Interruption )
If you come with me to Kashmir, I would
show it to you. If you come with me to
Maharashtra, I ti&ill show If you come
with me to where Mr. Patel was ruling— tho-
ugh I and he differ in politics, we have been
very old friends- I will show. ..In many parts
they have made this package programme a
great success. I do not believe in condemn-
ing something merely because I differ from
some in politics. (Interruption)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU You are
carrying coai, to New Castle.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : The question is that
we have to remedy defects and those defects

cannot be remedied by paying all your kind
attention, all your sweet attention, to me
while 1 am speaking in this House. They
will have to be remedied.

Again in the village it is our duty to see
that this package of programme, that this pac-
kage of aid, that this assistance reaches the
deserving, and I can assure you that I was
deeply impressed by the big programme— my
only objection was to the size, to the bigness
of the programme ; nevertheless, the essence,
the character, of the programme which the
West Bengal Government and its Planning
Board have visualised for this purpose is very
laudable, and once it comes into motion, I am
very sure that, within a period of a year and
a half, you will see that the face of the West
Bengal countryside will change ; and when it
changes, I would love to see the faces of my
friends there.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We should
very carefully preserve your valuable speech.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I am most hono-
ured.

I am very conscious of the clock, Mr.
Chairman, to which you are looking
repeatedly.

MR. CHAIRMAN : You can take your
own time.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : But I would only
make reference to one or two other points.

One of them is a very tragic situation in
West Bengal, / e, t the problem of the educated
unemployed, It is tragic because Bengal
happened to be one of those few areas in our
country before Independence which made the
headway in the field of education, and parti-
cularly higher education, and that this should
now freeze in the form of a cruel tragedy is
indeed very sad. No programmes for the
improvement of the economy of West Bengal
will be complete, unless aod until we make
serious efforts, genuine efforts, to make a size-
able impact on the problem of educated un-
employed in West Bengal. This is one of the
most essential elements that we have to look
after. For this purpose again, I would refer
to the West Bengal Planning Board' and to

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my discussions with the Chief Minister of
West Bengal for this purpose, I found that
some of the programmes that they have drawn
up are absolutely realistic and are likely to
bear fruit in the shortest possible time.

These, in my humble opinion, are the
broad outlines of the present malaise which
afflicts the economy of West Bengal and along
with these, I have ventured Mr. Chairman,
to suggest also in the broadest outline some
of the remedies which are being considered
actively by the State Government in conjuction
with the Central Government and the plann-
ing Commission.

I personally feel and I am sure that my
colleagues m the Government of India, my
colleagues in my own Party to which I have
the honour to belong, share my view that
West Bengal, because of the tragedy it has
gone through, which was described so poigna-
ntly by Prof. Mukerji, has to be treated on a
different level from other States for the pur-
poses of development. We have to take into
account the fact that one tragedy after another
followed this land, this land of great people, this
land of wonderful people and this most belov-
ed part of our country and, it is, therefore,
the responsibility of the rc't of India for
whom West Bengal has suffered even in
the last one year they had to give shelter and
hospitality to over seven to eight million
refugees, I was a witness of that tragedy, that
grim tragedy. Therefore, I can assure the
mover of this resolution, I can assure this hon.
House and I can assure the people of West
Bengal on behalf of the Government of India
that, as far as their problems are concerned,
they will receive precedence for solution over
the problems of any other part of the country.
When I say this, I am not only repeating the
promise, but I am also repeating an assurance
which we shall, God willing, fulfil to the
fullest measure possible.

With these words and with this assurance,
Mr, Chairman, I feel that the mover of this
resolution will perhaps look at his suggestions
once again which, by and large, are not merely
acceptable to us but which are very valuable
to us and shall guide us in formulating our
Policies, for removing — to quote an expression
from the Resolution — for removing the stag-
nation from the economy of West Bengal .

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :

I am grateful to all the members who have

participated in this discussion on both the days
and have tried to highlight many problems,
large and small, relating to West Bengal,
many of which I was not able to cover, I
am somewhat overwhelmed by the unusual
spectacle of practically a ‘galaxy* of Ministers
who have taken the trouble of investing this
discussion with some seriousness.

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah) :
Only to assuage the feelings of West Bengal.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : That is a big
thing. Sir, the Chief Minister of my State
recently in a reference to the interim solution
of the Farakka water problem, said to the
Press : We have succeeded in de-linking this
problem from political agitation.

If agitation-whethe political or otherwise for
which incidentally I think the people sent us
here, to do the right type of agitation which
is required on the Parliamentry floor, could
produce some results, perhaps, although not
to our fullest satisfaction.— so much to the
good. I am glad several Ministers dealing
with subjects with which I had dealt with in
my opening remarks did take the trouble to
come here and they tried to explain,— or, shall
1 say, explain away,— some of the allegations
that I had made.

I also would like to congratulate our new
Planning Minister for having made a very
competent defence of a weak case. He is new
to his responsibilities and I don't want to be
uncharitable to him. Anyway, it is a very
interesting speech because it gave us some
insight, not perhaps directly into what is being
done in West Bengal, but a sort of general
insight, as to his outlook on the question of
Planning, and the sense of priorities that he
wishes to develop.

% •

I agree with the Planning Minister when
he said that he did not get from this side of
the House a total picture of the economic
structure of West Bengal and remedies for
which he said, he was hungering I only wish
the House had an opportunity of having a
debate of that dimension sometime in the
future. I don’t know whether it will be
possible. It is true that I did concentrate on
certain specific matters ; this debate came up
on Friday before last, and in this span of
two weeks there have been some promising
responses ; it would be wrong on my part to

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deny those responses, limited though they
are,

I spent quite a lot of time in my speech
on the question of Farakka. The interim
solution was found and 40,000 cusecs of
water for which we were hungering,— or shall
I say, thirsting,— have been promised to us at
least for a period of five years, to start with.
Better late than never. So I do not want to
go into this matter more in detail, except to
say this. I hope he will not think me un-
charitable when I say this. The way the
matter was solved almost overnight between
him and the Chief Minister of West Bengal
has, to my mind, only further deepened the
mystery behind all these things. Of course,
I welcome it, because if it were such a simple
matter, I do not know what all this hullabaloo
was about, and why this hullaballoo was
allowed to develop, and they could have
scotched it long ago. Why was that not
done ? Even today, Dr. K. L. Rao has said
that the original project report had recom-
mended a certain schedule for the discharge
of waters from the Ganga into the Bhagi*
rathi, and it was exactly that schedule which he
had placed before this House on the 31st May
this year. He said that it was a quarrel only
over two months of the year, the flow would
be 40,000 cusecs and that would be assured.
But I have that schedule with me here, which
was part of his own statement made in this
House on the last day of the last session, and
it does not anywhere assure us of 40,000 cusecs
for ten months of the year : it says that

40,000 cusecs would be there only for six
months of the year, namely from 20th June
up to December, end for the rest of the period
that is, from January to mid-March, and
mid-March to mid-May and mid- May to the
20th June, it would be something less than

40.000 causecs, and. at times even less than

20.000 cusecs would be available. Therefore,
I say that the confusion is worse confounded
now, but if we get the end-result, if the

40.000 cusecs come, then it would be well and
good.

As far as the Civil Aviation and Tourism
Minister’s reply goes, I do not know whether
he had actually taken the trouble of reading
my speech or he had simply been briefed by
his Department. I had not complained
incidentally that day about the behaviour of
other international airlines towards the Dum

Dum airport ; 1 had rather exonerated them
in a way by saying that ’How can I blame
them, when our own Air India takes an
indifferent attitude towards Dum Dum ?* and
I am very glad to hear from the hon. Minister
today that at least one concession is going
to be made that at least one flight, one inter-
national flight of Air India will originate from
Dum Dum and will terminate at Dum Dum,

I think, beginning from next week...

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) :
From 3rd November.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : But two or
three questions still remain. I do not except
him to reply just now, but I would just draw
his attention to them, and I had raised them
last time also. What about the fact which I
had pointed out that these west-bound inter-
national flights from India are not charged
at the same fares ? The fare structure works
to the disadvantage of Calcutta, because
20 per cent rebate is allowed on flights from
Bombay or from Delhi, and that is one thing
which acts as a disincentive.

Again, what about the fact that no char-
tered flights are operated by Air India from
Dum Dum ? What about the fact that Dum
Dum has been asked to content itself with
the technical servicing of only Fokker Friend-
ships and Dakotas while all Boeings and
Caravelles are to be serviced only at Delhi or
Bombay ? These questions still remain in
our mind. Of course, I congratulate him on
exposing rightly the bloomer that I had com-
mitted about category I and category II land-
ing equipment, stand correct.

It was not simply a question of starting
one flight from Dum Dum, but all these
different aspects of this problem are things
over which the people in West Bengal have
rightly been aggrieved. Since he has now
decided to intervene in the matter, I hope that
he will pursue it still further.

Then, there is the question of jute prices.
The Planning Minister, I am sure, is aware
of the fact that jute is the main cash crop of
my State, in fact, not only of my State but of
four or five States of Eastern India ; it is the
principal cash crop there. The Planning
Board of West Bengal to which he made a
laudatory reference has only a day or two

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ago made a survey and then calculated, that
whereas the number of people below the
poverty line in the rest of India works out
to an average of 40 per cent of the population,
the figure in West Bengal is 70 per cent.
Everybody knows that this figure must include
not only Bengalis but the several millions of
non-Bengalis who work in our State, for their
livelihood and whom we are happy to have
there. Nobody in our State no responsible
person or organisation or party in our State
has as yet made any public utterance such as,

I regret to say, was made in West Bengal, a
few weeks ago by the Chief Minister of Bihar,
who in a public speech at Asansol reminded the
people that in Bihar, his Government had taken
steps to ensure that 90 to 95 per cent of the
jobs were reserved for the people of Bihar. No-
body in Bengal has made a statement like that
about Bengalis. We have never felt like that.
Never have our people tried to rouse any
kind of sentiments like that, as for example
was done in Shri S. Mohan Dharia’s State by
the Shiv Sena. We aie proud of this. We think
the democratic movement in West Bengal
should be proud of this fact. But you must
see the problem in its true proportions.

17 hrs.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA
(Begusarai) : Was it in a sectarian spirit that
the Chief Minister was saying that ?

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I do not
know in what spirit he said it. And now we
are having to struggle against a school of
thought which is wanting to reply to him in
the same terms. Do you want that to
happen ? It will snowball. We do not want
that.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I
can say that in the breadth of our outlook,
we do not yield to anyone, anywhere in the
country.

SHRI INDRAJIT OUPTA : My charge
is — and I hope the Planning Minister will
look into it at his leisure — is that the pricing
policy approved by the Central Government
has been'used as an instrument, particularly
by the Finance Ministry, to inflate the prices
of certain commodities, cash crops, and to
depress the prices of others. In the case of
raw cotton, in one decade, 1C61-62 to 1970-71,
the price has been allowed to go up by 109
per cent whereas the price of raw jute went

up in the same period by 41 per cent. This
seems to me to be a machinery by which the
per capita income in predominantly cotton
growing States is pushed up in relation to the
per capita income in those states of eastern
India whose main cash crop is raw jute. So
these are also larger problems on which the
question of general poverty and so on
depends.

I will touch on one or two specific
points— I cannot go into a general discussion
now. One is about the Jute Corporation of
India, which I mentioned last time. There is
an impression around, which has been voiced
many times in this House, and refuted by
Government, that sometimes politicians be-
longing to the ruling party defeated at the
polls ate compensated by being made chair-
men of various corporations I am sorry to
say that since I spoke on this two weeks ago
and pointed out that this Corporation was
without a Chairman, an appointment has been
made which to our mind is rather disturbing
because the Chairman of a jute corporation
should have something to do with jute, should
know something about it. This is a very
important Corporation and I think the gentle-
man who has been appointed is probably not
very well qualified, if I may put it m the
mildest possible language I can think of, to
hold that charge.

There is as yet no representation of West
Bengal on the board of this Corporation. All
the raw jute growing States are officially
represented on the board except West Bengal.
I would throw out a suggestion for his consi-
deration. Since this central corporation has
decided that in the coming season it will pur-
chase raw jute in West Bengal from only three
districts of North Bengal, Cooch-Behar, Malda
and West Dinajpur, and since he knows very
well that Norfh Benga^ is also one of the
most backward regions in the country, how-
ever developed Calcutta may be — I would
suggest that they go into this question, I am
sorry the only relevant Ministry not repre-
sented here is the Ministry of Foreign Trade.
Shri Mishra had promised that in areas where
raw jute is grown , some new mills would be
licensed, in Bihar, Tripura, Assam and so on.
Very good. I would propose that since raw
jute is going to be purchased only in three
North Bengal districts by the Jute Corpora-
tion and that raw jute has to be transported
all the way and then across the Ganga to be
processed in the mills around Calcutta to be

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made into sacks and those lacks are going to
be sent back to North Bengal again, why not
you consider the proposal to set up two or
three small 10.000-tonne capacity jute mills
in North Bengal, providing for the sacking
requirements of that area 7 This is the only
way it can be co-ordinated and it will go some
way to easing the acute unemployment position
in North Bengal also.

Then, what about the Calcutta port ?
Something was said about it in general terms.
Nothing was said specifically about Haldia
which 1 had raised. I still have no answer
as to why dredging of the dock area is still
held up due to some contractual dispute. I
still have no reply as to when the work at
Haldia is expected to be completed and why
no decision has yet been taken about the
location of a shipyard at Haldia, although the
entire engineering infra-structure which is
required for the shipyard is available close at
hand in Calcutta.

No development, I think, can take place
at all— and the Planning Commission will
agree— unless this power famine can be over-
come. Neither industrial nor agricultural
development nor anything can advance if we
are in a perpetual state of chronic power
shortage. Therefore, this has to be given
topmost priority. We had discussion on this
subject here the other day. I do not think
the Members coming from West Bengal have
been satisfied by whatever assurances were
given by Dr. K. L. Rao Qn this subject,
because, the various agencies— I have already
mentioned that— responsible for providing
West Bengal with power are all of them,
without exception, in a state of utter mis-
management and chaos. If a new committee
is set up as the Planning Minister promised
just now— a high-pq^r committee in the
place of what I would call the bogus committee
consisting of people who arc to be taken to
task- may be something will come to light.

MR. CHAIRMAN The hon. Member’s
time is up.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : But a very,
very energetic action will be required before
this power famine can be overcome in an
area which has the biggest industrial and
commercial concentration in this country and
where 2,00,000 industrial workers have been

laid off because of these power cuts, and
where the West Bengal Government’s plan to
electrify at least 10,000 villages has to be
given the go-by. So, how is this problem to
be solved unless these specific things are taken
up ? That is why I tried to highlight
those specific problems.

Sir, you have rung the bell. I can go on
for quite a long time, but it would not be fair.
We will take another opportunity sometime.
Now, I would like to know why the hon.
Minister is not accepting my resolution, Is
it because he has in effect accepted the
demands which I have made in the resolution ?
In the resolution I have demanded that the
Central Government should not in anyway resile
or backslide from the specific assurances which
have been given from time to time regarding
the solution of these specific problems. If he
is accepting that demand in the form of an
assurance, that means something. We will
hold the Minister, the Government of India,
to it, because all that we are asking for here
is that the assurances given and the mandate
given by the people to this Government in
respect of that should be carried out If they
are not carried out, then, what sort of
consequences might follow, many of my
colleagues in the House have hinted at and
given a warning of it.

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Only waiting here—

SIIRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Nobody is
waiting here, because the people who are
suffering are not in Delhi ; they are at the
other end. So, I would like to know from
the hon. Minister in what way he regards this
resolution before I decide whether I am going
to press it or not.

SHRI D P. DHAR : The resolution was
in the form of a reminder to us that we should
keep our promises and wc should not dilute
our promises. I assure the hon. Members that
his fears, his apprehensions, were not well*
founded and that it was in our character,
and the character of our party and the charac-
ter of our Government to stick to whatever
promises we have made and not to allow any
dilution of our promises. That is the solemn
assurance that I can give.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Without
agreeing with his formulation of the charac-
teristics of his party and the Government, to

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which I do not agree at all, nevertheless, since
be has given an assurance for the future, I do
not wish to divide the House on this question.
I prefer to let the assurance stand and then
we will hold them on to it. On the basis of
the assurance, I do not press my Resolution
to a vote.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Has the hon. Mem-
ber the leave of the House to withdraw his
Resolution ?

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes.

The Resolution was , by leave , withdrawn .

17.12 hrs.

RESOLUTION RE: PROBLEM OF
UNEMPLOYMENT

SHRIMATI MAYA RAY (Raiganj) ; I
beg to move that :

“This House, while appreciating the efforts
of the Central Government to eradicate
unemployment, is of the opinion that the
Central Government in co-ordination with
the State Governments should work out a
time bound, phased programme 10 solve
the massive unemployment problem facing
the country and take immediate positive
and concrete steps to tackle the same.”

My intention in bringing this Resolution
before the House is to focus attention of all
those concerned on the burning problem of
unemployment, the solution of which brooks
no further delay. And I say this with all
the emphasis at my command. In doing so,
I am not suggesting that the Government is
not aware of the problems, or that it is not
intending to deal with it in all urgency. In
fact, I make bold to say that no government
so far has dealt with this issue in all its
magnitude, with the sense of earnestness and
purpose as the present government of today.
This is demonstrated by the findings of the
interim report of the Bagavathi Committee on
Unemployment. The Dantwala Committee
has been set up. The Joint Consultative
Council on Community Development and
Panchayati Raj has also been constituted. The
National Committee on Science and Techno-
logy is preparing a scheme to absorb

unemployed engineers. The Bagavathi Com-
mittee Interim Report has disclosed a number
of constructive methods of ameliorating this
dread disease in our society. Thus the
Government is certainly aware of the dimen-
sions and the urgency of this problem.

I shall not meander into the realms of
statistics while talking about unemployment
for the simple reason that I for one do not
believe that anyone is in possession of the
correct figures or a correct estimate of the
context of this unemployment problem. There-
fore, the first task before us is to find out the
exact nature and dimension of the problem.
This we can do, by firstly, taking a sample
survey of all the employment exchanges in the
country. This should be done by the Central
Government and State Governments to ascer-
tain the actual unemployment figures in the
live registers, bearing m mind that it is not
all the unemployed who actually register
themselves in these employment exchanges,
for various reasons which one need not go
into here or elaborate because, sometimes I
must confess these employment exchanges do
cot work in the way they should.

Secondly, the State Governments should
undertake a block wise survey of the unem-
ployed in each block, in each district and in
each State. From my experience of travelling
extensively in the districts of my State, that
is to say, West Bengal, I can tell you that
such blockwise surveys will disclose the most
horrifying spectacle. The spectre of unem-
ployment casts an ominous shadow across
the length and breadth of our country
enveloping it with despair. If this problem
is not tackled vigrously, purposefully and with
fortitude, the very structure of our society
stands imperilled.

The right tq work is enshrined in the
Directive Principles of ^oar Constitution. The
youth of any nation is its potential wealth.
It is this vast section who are e.gerly await-
ing the opportunity to participate in the
building of this country. If this eagerness
and energy is not canalised and harnessed
for the development of this great nation, we
shall be swept by a tidal wave of frustration,
grief and revolt, the magnitude of which
will sweep aside everything before it and
there will remain in its wake, only chaos.

I say this with full responsibility for we
are standing literally at the edge of a pre-

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cipice and with absolutely no time to lose.
On the other hand, I say this also, that if
adequate and immediate steps are taken
Which show tangible and concrete results
in each State, our countrymen are patient
people, . our countrymen are wise people and
will be willing to give us time to see our
programmes through. I have that much
faith in the people of our country. But, on
the other hand, if they see only feeble
attempts at dabbling with this petrifying
problem, we will not be forgiven and the con-
sequences will be chaotic. Therefore, this
formidable challenge has to be met and meet
it we shall.

There has to be a classification of the
Rural and Urban unemployed. This is essential
and of the utmost importance in order to be
able to grapple with the situation. It is only
when we have gauged the exactness of the
problems with which we are dealing, that we
can combat it. This much is certain, that
the unemployment spreading from one end
of the country to the other and engulfing it,
is massive and gigantic. Therefere, while
this survey goes on, immediate and short-
term measures have to be taken to generate
employment to as many as possible, as
quickly as possible. While long-term plans aie
being formulated, immediate projects to
absorb as many unemployed as possible have
to be launched.

To deal with Rural unemployment first,
as everyone knows, there is periodic seasonal
unemployment. To eradicate this, double
and triple cropping has to be introduced in
order to minimise these periods, and also
to provide for the absorption of more of the
agricultural unemployed. Secondly, there must
be electrification of all the villages. In this
regard, I would urge the Central Govern-
ment to pay special attention to those States
where this programme of rural electrification
has not been vigorously implemented, such as,
Assam, Tripura, Orissa, U.P, West Bengal
and Bihar. Haryana is in the happy position
of having a 100 per cent rural electrification
and the degree of rural affluence is a joy to
see.

Rural electrification is essential for the
otter methods of solving this unemployment
problem and that is minor irrigation and
tytqtbgsed small scale industries. There is

no need to go into the reasons as to why
these States have not progressed as much as
they should have done in electrification, or
to hold any post morHm on this, where
many might say, Haryana was able to achieve
100 per cent electrification so why were the
other States not able to do so. The fact
remains that these areas have not progressed
and to leave these regions in that state of
backwardness will not help the rest of India
for the winds of socio-economic and political
unrest travel fast and wide and may equally
envelop the other parts of India with a speed
unimaginable.

With electrification and power being con-
ditions precedent, the next question that
will arise is where the funds for minor irri-
gation and agro-based industries are to come
from Here, our financial institutions can
come forward and help in a very big way by
granting loans against the guarantee of State
Governments. The security is there for them.
Minor irrigation schemes and schemes for
power can never be a loss. They will be per-
fectly safe investments, and the financial
institutions will not be in jeopardy. Low
capital intensive areas with possibilities of
converting them technologically into small-
scale industries will offer opportunities of
absorbing labour force. These, in their turn,
can feed large industries upon expansion
over the years, building up a concrete
network

With the advent of agro-based industries
and small scale and cottage industries, oppor-
tunities for self employment are increased,
because round aoout these small industries
will grow a small nucleus of society requi-
ring social services and all this will help.
Enlarging the scope for self-employment
would reduce the exodus of labour from one
region to another and prevent excessive
concentration in large cities.

The next way of touching the fringe of
this problem is through an intensive pro-
gramme for primary education. The Minister
of Education has already submitted a scheme
for this. More teachers will be employed in
rural areas only in respect of primary edu-
cation which, in its wake, will bring building
programmes for .schools and provide for
the absorption of some of the labour forces
in the rural areas.

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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Unemployment (Sean.) 290

We should keep in mind the fact that
every village in India must have minimum
facilities for medical treatment, primary edu-
cation, power, doubie and triple cropping,
one cottage or small scale industry run on
power and one community hall. If these
minimum requirements can be given to each
village, it will create an infrastructure,
opening out further avenues of rural employ-
ment.

Much of all that I have said has been
said over and over again, and none of
these is original. What I am trying to em-
phasize is that the time has gone for mere
planning alone in a vacuum and in committee
rooms. These committees also come out with
variations of the same theme. We must now
spread out into every district and go right
down to the grassroots to see that there is
overt action, and implementation is effected
in a forceful and dynamic manner so that its
impact may be felt by the people in every
strata.

Good works never suffer for want of
funds or enthusiasm. What fills one with
despair is to see corruption seeping through
insidiously gnawing away into the vitals,
which might lead to a total collapse. This we
will not allow, we must not allow, for, future
generations will not forgive us.

Our performance must match our words.
With proper co-ordination of agricultural
programmes and rural industrial projects we
will surmount these seemingly indomitable
hurdles.

Next I come to the problem of urban un-
employment. Regarding urban unemployment,
the whole concept of employment has to be
changed. We cannot be content to see a nation
of pen-pushers emerging. If I talk of West
Bengal, the State which is groaning under the
weight of 28 lakhs of unemployed persons, the
maximum of pen-pushing jobs that can be
found at the outside will be less than for
one lakh of persons. This cannot be so. We
have our eyes fixed on a technical revolution
which will inevitably usher in a technological
socielty in a technocratic age, and with that in
view, the whole concept of manual labour and
working with our hands has to be brought in
emphatically.

This debilitating process of building up a
nation of suburban white*collared citizens

must go, and due regard and respect must be
given to those who work literally with their
hands.

We have to build up a society, where
after a hard day's work, we can walk into
a concert hall and perhaps find a sweeper
sitting next to a High Court Judge enjoying
the songs of a classical singer. Let us truth*
fully admit, Mr. Chairman, that such a society
does not exist in our country to-day. The
fabric of our whole social structure has to
change and all barriers broken through,
where a man is accorded due respect for his
contribution to society, in whatever form that
may be.

This then brings us to introducing vast
changes in our educational system This
idea of a college education being a 'must', to
give one as social status, must go. It is no use
turning out college graduates one after another
en masse to enable one to say 'He or she
is a respectable citizen’.

College education should be shrunk into
a thin stream, on a selective basis at an
early stage, on the basis of a high order
of intellectual capacity, for the sole purpose
of higher education and research.

The content and structure of secondary
and technical education must be changed to
give it a high degree of priority. It is
these institutions that must turn out persons
fit for jobs. Persons coming out of these
schools must be entitled to a job, and that
job must be one that they do with their
hands.

This means emphasis on vocational
training for the ^general cross-section of society
with a thin stream beifig diverted to the
colleges for specific purposes.

What is the picture to-day ? Every one
goes to college, turns out to be a graduate
and then looks askance when a manual job
is offered to him. This attitude will not solve
our problem and we must face the reality.

This concept of working manually can be
accelerated by decentralisation in industry,
for example, by linking large-scale enter-
prises with small-scale feeder units. Increase in
the number of jobs in the tertiary sector,
which is inevitable when the urban cotnmu*

291 Upgradation of Cities

AUGUST 25, 1972 and Towns (HAH Disc.) 292

(Shrimati Maya Ray]

nity will be increasingly demanding various
services, and for these types of services, tech-
nological training has to be provided.

Here again I feel if proper guidance and
publicity is given to this need for changing
our social ideas, this is not an insoluble prob-
lem and we will be able to achieve a lot.

Here, I would urge others to help. It is
not only the Government that can help in
this, but the Press and Opposition also can
help, because I feel they also want a wonder-
ful and a beautiful country to come into
being. Maybe, we have political differences as
to the methods of achieving it, but our ulti-
mate goal is the same.

Lastly, I wish to say that there must be
more imagination with regard to industry.
The industrial growth is approximately 1*8%
today— I am open to correction. This must be
increased to 8%. How ? Why not concentrate
on our export trade so that we too may
launch out in a big way in the international
world market ?

For instance, the idea of having three
major free ports, one on the eastern coast..,

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member
may continue her speech next time.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY JBOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Please allow us to move the amend-
ments,

SHRIMATI MAYA RAY : I do not like
violating any convention, but this is my first
speech...

MR. CHAIRMAN : You may continue
when the subject canws up ntM.... (Interrup-
tions) Now it is 5*30 and we have to take up
the half-an-hour discussion. This is her maiden
speech. She may take her own time. You
continue next time.

Dr. Luxmi Narain Pandeya.

17.30 hrs.

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION
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regard to that ; but lean refer to what ha$

already appeared in the press. It is public
property,

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I
know under what rub you are preventing him
from referring to that ?

MR. CHAIRMAN He will please re-
sume his seat.

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : All that
will be done or we are asking them to do
will amount to putting fuel in the ashes be-
cause the Indian rupee is no more than 10 per
cent of its original value. If I may quote a
former Finance Minister, Shri Sachin Chau-
dhuri, who said at the time of the devaluation
of the rupee in 1966 that the value of it was
80 P. Now of the 20P left, Shri Yeshwantrao
Chavan, said the other day that the rupee has

29% Upgradation of Cities BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) and Towns {HAH Disc.) 298

come to 50 per cent of its value. So it is
10 f now. But if you go to the bazar,
you wilt find it is not even 10P but much
less.

The question of population should not
really enter the head of this Government in
fixing the special allowance for different
cities and different areas because the price
index, what they collect at the wholesale point
bears so little relation to the retail counter. I
am sorry to say that this data collection is
nothing but a fraud. It bears no relation to
the retail counter. I do not know : you,
Mr. Chairman, may be a wealthy man and do
not know what is really happening to the man
in the street. But this is a fact.

Then I would say that the hill stations and
very difficult areas should receive special
consideration, no matter what the population
of those areas is.

Then there is one State where I know
consumer goods sell at a very high premium,
that is, Assam. So irrespective of
whether Central Government employees are
stationed there or not, Government must
consider the case of these areas and do some-
thing to meet their requirements.

Lastly, the Pay Commission Report, by
the time it really sees the light of day will
become invalid because the rupee has eroded
so much through a self erosin that it will be
a waste of printing and stationery. Of
course, if the Commission wants to live a
little longer and look after itself, that is
something the House can consider. But why
have the mockery of a report which when it
comes will cease to have any validity ?

MR. CHAIRMAN : It is not fair to say
that the Pay Commission would like to live
longer. Please do not reflect on the com-
mission,

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am think-
ing of a fair deal to those starving and semi-
starving people. That is uppermost in my
mind. The Pay Commission, whatever its
prestige, is at the very bottom in my list.
Therefore, without casting any reflections on
them, I would say that by the time the report
comes, it will amount to waste of paper,
-printing and stationery because the Indian

rupee by that time would have galloped down
to a level where it will meet us nowhere.
Under the circumstances, if the Government
really want to go by the spirit and the inten-
tion and not the letter of their manuscript,
they should be liberal, as liberal as possible.
Here I would quote an American saying :
you can compel a man to come to work at
the appointed time ; you can compel him to
go through certain muscular motions ; but
you cannot compel him to put his heart into
the work. Now, your employees are half-
starving and are groaning under economic
pressures. If you do not give them the
minimum living and surviving wage and
emoluments, all these big talks will be next to
nothing.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : Mr.
Chairman, Sir, about the upgradation of the
cities and towns, when Mr. T. T. Krishnama-
chari was the Finance Minister, he revised
the population basis by reducing the number
from 20 lakhs to 16 lakhs, because the popu-
lation of Madras was only 16 lakhs then. It
is on record. It was done after a non-
official resolution by Shri Manoharan was
adopted. I also took advantage of that and
it resulted in the upgradation of Kanpur to
B-I from C. It means that the population
basis was not a sound basis. Even today, if
you really consider the population basis as a
sound basis, you will find that an increase in
population and family planning cannot go
together. I am prepared to reduce the popu-
lation of Kanpur from 20 lakhs to 16 lakhs
provided 1 am exempted from family planning.
I will ask the people of Kanpur to reduce the
population. So, the real basis is . ( Interrup-
tion) 1 am serious. I am speaking
for the entire country. Populution
basis has become obsolete. What is impor-
tant is the rise in the cost of living through-
out the country. The index has now reached
238— it is the all-India figure— and the Central
Government employees an entitled to another
instalment of interim relief according to the
commitment of the Government which, of
course, the hon. Minister will annouce later
on.

The question here is, certain cities have
been upgraded. I have received telegrams
from Ambernath which is contiguous to
Bombay, and it is tragic that Ambernath is
costlier than Bombay. For the people at
Ambernath, nothing has been given. Then

299 Upgrada/idnof Gbtes AUGUST 25, tm and Towns (HAH Disc.) 300

[Shri S. M. BanerjeeJ , J

take Kankinara, the cdstliest town in 24
Parganas district, apart from Ichhapore,
Shantinagar and Kantinagar. I have received
telegrams from Kankinara. But nothing has
been done for them. I have also received
telegrams from Ludhiana which has been
conveniently omitted because of the population
basis. The people of Ludhiana have been
following the family planning programme
and therefore (hey are suffering. It is very
wrong. I request the hon. Minister to kindly
let us know what he is going to do about it.
Id all these cases, representations have been
made. I know the representation has been
made by the co-ordinating committee of the
Centra] Government Employees at Ludhiana.
It has been forwarded to the hon. Minister,

So, in all seriousness and humility, I will
submit to the hon Minister 10 kindly re-
consider the whole thing and change the
basis from one of population to that cost of
living. That would give the people a fair
wage. With this request, I would like the
hon. Minister to kindly let us know what other
cities are likely to be upgraded after reconsi-
deration of the whole thing.

SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY YA
(Serampore) : I also reiterate the points that
have been made here, thar population should
not be the basis in respect of upgrading a
city or town or whatever you may call it Sir,
in the year 1963, I raised the issue on the
very same aspect So far as the reimburse-
ment of medical expenses is concerned, the
discrimination is there regarding the reim-
bursement of medical expenses in respect of
big and small towns and cities. Actually, if
you go round India, almost everywhere you
will find the costs arc almost the same so far
as the consumer goods are concerned.

Then, I think v the same old bureaucrats
who have been there since the Bnltsh regime
are carrying on the old traditions. Otherwise,
these things cannot continue. I am in Delhi
now. I am purchasing an egg at 30 paise. I go to
Ghaziabad, and I would not find an egg for less
than 35 paise there. The situation is similar
in respect of other articles also Not only the
co 9 t of consumer goods but house- rent is also
rather more in the small towns than in the
big cities or towns. Conveyance and other
items are costlier in a smaller town, specially
a suburban town of a big city like Bombay,

Calcutta, Madras or Delhi. The cost ofliving
in those areas is higher than thar of a city.

So, I would suggest that we should do
away with upgrading of cities on the basis of
population. I have got here with me a memo-
randum which I received from Visakhapatnam
which was passed by the municipality and the
organisation of Central Government emp-
loyees stating that that city must be upgraded
because otherwise they will not get house rent,
city compensatory allowance and medical
allowance. I can mention any number of ins-
tances. As Shri Banerjee mentioned, the cost
of living in Durgapur is higher than that of
Calcutta. In fact, Calcutta is cheaper. Yet,
Durgapur is not classified as Class A. This
method of discriminating between employees
has no rationale. Now after every census the
cities are re-classified. It should be done
away with. The criterion for classification
should be the cost of living and not popu-
lation.

Then, as has been stated by other hon.
Members, the cost of living index has gone
up by more than ten points. Still, you have not
paid them increased dearness allowance to
which they are entitled. I want the Govern-
ment to announce increased dearness allowance
consequeni on the increase in the cost of
living.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R.
GANESH) : There are two or three points
that have emerged in this discussion. Before
I take up this. I would like to say that the
hon. Member, Dr. Pandeya, who made a
reference to the different replies given in this
House and the other House has probably made
a mistake. Probably he was referring to the
figures that we have given of the mid -census
survey that was taken, as a result of which
certain cities were re-classified. That has
nothing to do wiih the information which we
have given to this House of the classification
of cities on the basis of the present census.

As the House is aware, dearness allowance
is given to the Central Government employees
at a uniform rate. Over and above that, house
rent allowance and compensatory allowance
are given on the basis of a criterion of popula-
tion of municipalities, corporations, notified
areas and such other notified areas
or bodies. It is on this basis that the

301 Upgradation of Cities BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAX! A) and Towns (If AH Disc) 30 2

present cities have been reclassified or up-
graded.

Whether population is the correct index
of finding the costliness or expensiveness of
a place is a matter which is being discussed
in the country. There are various views on
this matter. It is urged that population cannot
be the correct criterion for judging the ex-
pensiveness or costliness of a place.

The First Pay Commission and the Second
Pay Commission had gone into this question.
After going into this question, the Second
Pay Commission also came to a conclusion
that the population alone was a rational for-
mula that they could find, of course, certain
marginal cases will always arise in which the
Government can take decision on the merits
of the cases. But as far as the present formula
is concerned, it is a formula which has been
worked out by the Second Pay Commission.
They had said thac the population alone was
found to be a rational formula.

Now, the Third Pay Commission is there
and this matter is before the Third Pay
Commission. All employees’ organisations,
all employees’ federations, all emp-
loyees’ bodies, have represented to the
Pay Commission about this particular matter.
All that I can say is that it is an important
matter. A high-powered body is sitting there
and it is for a high-powered body like the
Third Pay Commission to go into various

aspects of the matter and see the complexities
involved in having any other formula which
may be worked out in a large country like
India. On the basis of the recommendations
of the Pay Commission, the Government can
always consider the position.

About this Notification which was issued
and the many cities having been re-classified,
this was done on the basis of the existing
formula. Had we waited for the Third Pay
Commission’s recommendations, these emp-
loyees who were already qualified to get new
grades of house rent allowance and city com-
pensatory allowance would not have got them.
Therefore, the Government took the first
opportunity as soon as the census figures were
available to re-classify and upgrade the cities.

I hope, the Third Pay Commission will go
into this matter. It is a matter which the
Pay Commission will have to go into. That
the cost of living is a constant factor, I do
not want to give arguments for that. This is
a matter into which the Pay Commission
will go and decide what should be the best
criteria for judging the city costliness so that
the house rent allowance and the city compen-
satory allowance may be given accordingly.

18 00 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven

of the Clock on Saturday , August
26, l972lBhadra 4 , 1894 (Saka)

Printed at : Shahdara Printing Press, K-18 Navin Shahdara, Delhi-32.

25-8-72

CONTENTS

No. 19 —Saturday, August 26, 1972lBhadru4,189i(Saka)

Paper laid on the Table

Column*

Message from Rajya Sabha . .

• .

Insecticides (Amendment) Bill—

As passed by Rajya Sabha

• •

Estimates Committee—

Twenty-second and Twenty-third Reports

•

Business of the House

• .

3-12

Presidential and Vice-Presidential Election's (Amendment) Bill —
Introduced . .

12 '

Adoption of Children Bill -

Motion to concur in Rajya Sabha i commendation to
joint committee

join

12-14

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment

Bill—

Motion to consider

, •

14—50

Shri R. N. Sharma

14-18

Shri K. M. Madhukar

18—22

Sliri Shrikishan Modi

22—27

Shri J. Matha Gowder

27-31

Shri Damodar Paudey

32—36

Shri G. P. Yadav

37—39

Shri Shahnawaz Khan

. .

40—46

Clauses 2 to 16 and 1—

Motion to pass, as amended

•. *

Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of Privileges) Bill-

Motion to consider

Shri H. R. Gokhale

50—54

Shri Biren Dutta

54—55

Shri M. Kathamuthu . .

55—58

Shri 3. Matha Gowder

58-61

Shri Jagannathroo Joshi . . ^ .

61—65

Shri Shyamnandan Mishra , . . ■

65—74

Columns

Clauses 2 to 7 and 1—

Motion to pass

The Seeds (Amendment) Bill—

Motion to consider

Shri Annasaheb P. Shiude

80 -83,
06—100

Shri Jagdisli Bhattacharyya

83—84

Shri Mohanraj Kalmgarayar

83— 86

Shri R. V. Bade

86-88

Shri P. M. Mehta

Shri Darbara Singh

88—02

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra

92—95

Clauses 2 to 5 and 1 —

Motion to Pass

101

Motion Rp. Final Report of the Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee

101—84

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu

102—17

Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao

117—35,

181—82

Shri K. Baladhandayutham

135—41

Shri N.K.P. Salve

141—51

Shri Murasoli Maran

152—58

Shri D. D. Dcsai

159—61

Shri Virendra Agarwal

161—65

Shri C. M. Stephen

165—69

Shri Piloo Mody

169—76

Shri N. K. Sanghi

176—81

Shri Shyamnandan Mishra

182—83

Business Advisory Committee —

Six Weil th Report . , , . . . . . . .

176

LOKSABHA DEBATE

LOK SABHA

Saturday , August 26, 1972 /Bhadra 4,
1894 (Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the

Clock

[Mr. Speaker m the Chair ]

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on the Table.

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pictures, I have seen pictures in
which your workers are attacking
the police; I have seen in the tele-
vision . . . ( Interruptions ).

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai):
The picture is very clear.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia-
mond Harbour): Let me make a sub-
mission, Sir . . .

MR. SPEAKER: If I have to go
by pictures, I will have to consider
all the pictures.

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI:
The Minister must make a state-
ment.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We
are at the moment talking about
law and order . . . ( Interruptions ).

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PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Post Office Savings Certificate
(Amendment) Rules, 1972

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K R. GANESH): I beg to
lay on the Table a copy of the Post
Office Savings Certificates (Amend-
ment) Rules 1972 (Hindi and English
versions) published in Notification
No. G.S.R. 958 in Gazette of India
dated the 12th August. 1972 under
sub-section (3) of section 12 of the
Government Savings Certificates
Act, 1959. [Placed in Library. See
No. LT-3501/72.]

MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY: Sir, I have to re-
port the following message received
from * the Secretary of Rajya
Sabha:— • •

‘‘In accordance with the provi-
sions of rule 111 of the
Rules of Procedure and Con-
duct of Business in the
Rajya Sabha, I am directed
to enclose a copy of the In-
secticides (Amendment) Bill,
1972, which has been passed
by the Rajya Sabha at its
sitting held on the 23rd
August, 1972",

AUGUST 26, 1972

INSECTICIDES (AMENDMENT)
BILL

AS PASSED BY RAJYA SABHA

SECRETARY: Sir. I lay on the
Table of the House the Insecticides
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, as passed
by Rajya Sabha.

ESTIMATES COMMITTEE
Twenty-second and Twenty-third
Reports

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA
HALDER (Ausgram): I beg to pre-
sent the following Reports of the
Estimates Committee:

(1) Twenty-second Report on
the Ministry of Shipping and
Transport regarding action
taken bv Government on the
recommendations contained
in their First Report on the
Ministry of Shipping and
Transport — Visakhapatnam
Port.

(2) Twenty-third Report on the
Ministry of Shipping and
Transport regarding action
taken by Government c M the
recommendations contained
in their Second Report on
the Ministry of Shipping
and Transport— Tuticorin
and Mangalore Ports.

11.03 hrs.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
THE MINISTER OF PARLIA-
MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIP-
PING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
RAJ BAHADUR): With your per-
mission, Sir, T rise to announce that
Government Business in this House
during the week commencing Mon-
day, the 28th August, 1972, will con-
sist of: —

(1) Consideration of any item of
Government Business carried
over from today’s Order
Paper.

(2) Consideration and passing of
the General Insurance Busi-
ness (Nationalisation) Bill,
1972, as reported by the
Joint Committee.

(3) Discussion and voting on the
Supplementary Demands.

B.O.H.

for Grants (General) for
1972-73.

(4> Consideration of a motion
for reference of the Presi-
dential and Vice-Presiden-
tial Elections (Amendment)
Bill, 1972, to a Joint Com-
mittee.

(5) Consideration and passing
of the Indian Copper Corpo-
ration (Acquisition of Un-
dertaking) Bill, 1972.

(6) Consideration of a Resolu-
tion seeking disapproval of
*he Delhi University
(Amendment) Ordinance,
1972 and consideration and
passing of the Delhi Univer-
sity (Amendment) Bill. 1972,
as passed by Rajva Sabha.

(71 Consideration and pacing of
the Insecticides (Amend-
ment) Bill. 1972, as passed
by Rajya Sabha.

(8) Discussion on the Report of
the Commissioner for Sche-
duled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes for 19G9-70.

I may add that it is also proposed
to bring forward the following Bills
which arc in the advanced stage of
preparation : —

(i) The Former Secretary of
State Service Officers (Con-
ditions of Service) Bill,

1972

(li) The Delhi Education Bill,
1972 for reference to Joint
Committee.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia-
mond Harbour): Regarding the Bill
for regulating the working condition
of employment in the film industry
in India, Shri Balgovind Verma,

Minister of State in the Ministry of
Labour and Rehabilitation on

28-4-1972 said:

“I assure the hon. Members that
we are contemplating in
bringing forward a Bill in,
this August House very soon.
Therefore, I should request
the Mover of the Bill to
kindly “withdraw it.”

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“AN HON. MEMBER : The re-
commendation was made in
1969 to have a Comprehen-
sive Bill and after 2£ years
or 3 years a draft legislation
was prepared. After 2i years
it is found that there are so
many lacunae in the legis-
lation. Who are the persons
responsible for this draft
legislation?”

It was accepted that the Bill
should have been brought before the
House this August session since it
was a pending matter for a very
long time. What has the Govern-
ment to sav about this 7

The amount of default by em-
ployers of the employees’ provident
fund money is increasing in a tre-
mendous manner. Last year the hon.
Minister, Shn R. K. Khadilkar made
a statement that the legislation was
going to be brought veiy soon to
impose deterrent punishment on
such offenders Even in the last
session, he assurance was repeated.
But we are all surprised to see that
Government have not included the
Bill for passing in this Session; it is
perhaps because the defaulters are
their patron saints.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur):

I wish to submit that in the news-
papers it has come out clearly that
higher dearness allowance for Cen-
tral Government employees is almost
due. I have pointed out in this House,
Sir, that the figure of cost of living
index, after adding the June figure,
came to 237.08. If you add to it the
July figure, it crosses 238. The Cen-
tral Government employees through-
out the country are agitating, and
they are entitled td get it. Sir. It
has also come in the newspapers
that the dispute was discussed at a
Cabinet meeting on Friday. There
are two issues. One is that the dear-
ness allowance should be raised im-
mediately in the case of Central
Government employees. The hon.
Minister should make a statement
on this,' Another thing i$ that final

decision on what is known as
Khadilkar’s formula of raising the
bonus from 4 to 8.33 per cent* should
be taken before the Puja to avoid
the impending labour unrest.

My third point is this. A lot of
things are being said about the
Memorandum submitted by Tata to
the Prime Minister to change the
industrial policy. A copy of that
should be laid on the Table of the
House, and the House should get an
opportunity to discuss it.

Since the hon Finance Minister is
present in the House, he may please
tell us when he is going to announce
further rise in the dearness allow-
ance.

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Regarding the Dearness Allowance
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mission . . .

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Dearness Allowance is very impor-
tant. We did not know this proce-
dure. You kindly permit me. This
is a very important question. I did
not know the procedure. In future,
we will follow it but kindly permit
me to mention about only one point,
regarding the increase in the Dear-
ness Allowance.

MR. SPEAKER: When this comes
from your side, what about others?

SHRI A P. SHARMA: This is a
very important question. I do not
know what is the difficulty of the
Government to come out with their
decision.

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): I
want to draw the attention of the
Government in regard to the issue
of blocking the entry of Bangla-
Desh into UNO by China in collusion
with Pakistan. It has a direct bear-
ing on the implementation of the
Simla Agreement and when the high
officials of Pakistan are here in
Delhi for talks, naturally, this House
feel very much anxious to know the
reaction of the Government. This
House also would like to be inform-
ed about the developments there
and what stand has been taken by
the Government and the stand the
Government is going to take in
future because it was tacitly under-
stood that after the Simla Agree-
ment, Pakistan will recognise Bangla.
Desh and they will also help Bangla
Desh's entiy into UNO. It appears
to us that the Simla Pact spirit is
being violated by Pakistan and
China is taking advantage of that

I want to make a submission to
the Government to come .out with
a full statement so that we can get
an opportunity to express our views
on that

About Uganda matter, this House
has not been informed about any-
thing regarding the steps taken by
the Government regarding expulsion
of Asians in Uganda and the matter
is coming almost every day in the
papers . .

MR. SPEAKER: They came out
with a statement at the earliest
stage, at the earliest time

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: After that,
something more has happened.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali-
pore): Since then the situation has
changed

MR SPEAKER: I quite agree
that the situation is changing very
fast and new facts have already
arisen. So, the Minister should make
a statement.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I shall
certainly communicate the views of
the hon. Members to the Ministers
concerned in the Government.

B.O.H.

BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA)

B.O.H.

May I also say with regard to the
Bill for film industry workers that
as stated by the Member the assur-
ance was that it will be presented to
this August House, but not necessa-
rily in the month of August . . .
(Interruptions),

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand-
gaon): The Bill was piloted by me
and an assurance was given to me,
although nothing was given in writ-
ing, that in the next session the Bill
will come. So, the assurance was
that it will be introduced somewhere
in this session . . . (Interruptions),

MR. SPEAKER: Any member can
ask for its implementation. The
assurance was given to you, but all
of them are interested.

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SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I quite
agree that the name of the August
Member will go down in this
August House on this August ques-
tion.

MR. SPEAKER: What is the opi-
nion of the August Minister?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: Sir, both
You and I have been born in August.
I know that we are both August.

MR. SPEAKER: You are also
August-born? So, am I?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About
provisions of penalty for arrears of
provident fund, the Bill is in an ad-
vanced stage of preparation. We are
seriously at it. We are second to
none in regard to this matter.

So far as the DA question is con-
cerned. I will communicate the

views of the Members but the
Finance Minister of State is here.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What
ig the indication of the Govern-
ment’s thinking on this because we
want to know whether the Govern-
ment is going to make any decla-
ration about it.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): The hon.
Members are aware that when the

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index of the working class reaches
238, the Pay Commission itself . . .

(Interruptions).

SHRI S M. BANERJEE: One

minute.

MR SPEAKER: No please.

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MR. SPEAKER: I am passing on
to the next item now.

SHRI K. R. GANESH: You have
spoiled your own case.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About
drought m Bihar, the question of
drought was discussed in this House

• 9

SHRI A P. SHARMA: Sir, the
Minister was saying something re-
garding DA,

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Mr.
Banerji, Sir— he would not mind rc \ y
saving because he got a little excit-
ed. I saw Mr. Ganesh was saying
or was going to say something. We
would like to know exactly what
statement he is in a position to make
at present.

B.OM.

AUGUST 26, 1972 Moption of Children BUI 12

SHKI K. R. GANESH: I was say-
ing that Pay Commission in its re-
port on the second interim relief
and the first interim relief has laid
down a procedure for consideration
of payment of further interim relief
which they would consider when the
average reaches 238. That is the posi-
tion.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It is no
question of interim relief. It is the
question of DA.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: May I
seek your protection? I quoted from
the press reports that it has reached
238. It has also said that the Cabinet
has taken a decision Vhat it will not
be referred back to the Pay Commis-
sion. How does the Pay Commission
come into the picture? If it has
reached 238, they may say, ‘Yes, it
has reached 238’. Why should the
Government employees be deprived
of this benefit?

SHRI A. P. SHARMA: If it has
reached 238, what is the difficulty in
granting further DA?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The
Government is showing no sincerity.

- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISH-
RA (Begusarai): The one point
about which we ought to be inform-
ed is whether the Government thinks
that it has reached 238 or not. It is
about that we want to know.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Ganesh, if
you have got the information, please
give it.

SHRI K. R. GANESH: I have not
got the official figure of 238 now.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: How
evasive! * *

SHRI S. M BANERJEE; About
the bonus?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About the
drought in Bihar, drought situation
was discussed in this House and I
think the House has hardly any
time for it now to discuss is once
again,

"•Published in Gazette of India

vdated 26-8-72.

About Bangla Desh recognition
and other matters the House will be
taken into confidence at the appro-
priate time.

11.20 hrs.

PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE-PRE-
SIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
(AMENDMENT) BILL*

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA-
LE): I beg to move for leave to in-
troduce a Bill to amend the Presi-
dential and Vice-Presidential Elec-
tions Act, 1952.

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That leave be granted to intro-
duce a Bill to amend the
Presidential and Vice-Presi-
dential Elections Act. 1952.”

The motion was adopted.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I intro-
duce the Bill

11.22 hrs.

ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BILL

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA-
LE): There are three changes only
in the list already circulated. The
changes are: Item No. 2, Shri Shiv
Kumar Shastri; Item No. 14. Shri
Pratap Singh; and Item No. 27, Shri
Somchand Solanki: I beg to move:

"That this House do concyr in
the recommendation of
Rajya Sabha that the
House do join in the Joint
Committee of the Houses on
the Bill to provide for the
adoption of children and for
matters connected therewith,
made in the motion adopted
by Rajya Sabha at its sitting
held on the 1st August, 1972
and communicated to thia
House on the 2nd August,
1972 and to resolve that the
following 30 Members of

Extraordinary Part II, Section 2,

13 Adoption of Children BHADRA 4$ 1894 (SAHA) A tines and Minerals 14
BiH (etc. ets.) Bill

Lok Sabha be nominated to
serve on the said Joint Com-
mittee, namely : — Shri

S. R. A. S. Appalanaidu, Shn
Shiv Kumar Shastri, Shri
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Dharnidhar Basumatari. Shri
Shyama Prasanna Bhatta-
charyya, Shri Amar Nath
Chawla, Shri Anant Prasad
Dhusia, Shri Varkey George,
Smt. Marjorie Godfrey, Shri
H. R. Gokhale, Shri Giridhar
Gomango, Shri Md. Jamilur-
rahman, Shri M. R. Laksh-
minarayanan, Shri Pratap
Singh, Shn Mohan Raj, Shn-
mati Shakuntala Nayar, Shri
Manikrao Palodkar, Shri
Krishna Chandra Pandey,
Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan,
Shri S. B Patil, Shri K.
Kodanda Rami Reddy, Shn
N. K. Sanghi, Shri Sakti
Kumar Sarkar, Shri Shaf-
quat Jung, Shri Biswanara-
yan Shastri, Shri Dharamgaj
Singh, Shri Somchand Solan-
ki, Shri S. B. Thakre, Shri-
mati Bhargavi Thankappan,
Shri Niti Raj Singh Chau-
dhury.”

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That this House do concur in
the recommendation of

Chawla, Shri Anant Prasad
Dhusia, Shri Varkey George,
Smt. Marjorie Godfrey, Shri
H. R, Gokhale, Shri Giridhar
Gomango, Shri Md. Jamilur-
rahman, Shri M. R. Laksh-

Singh, Shri Mohan Raj, Shri-
mati Shakuntala Nayar, Shri
Manikrao Palodkar, Shri
Krishna Chandra Pandey,
Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan,
Shn S. B. Patil, Shri K.
Kodanda Rami Reddy, Shri
N. K. Sanghi, Shri Sakti
Kumar Sarkar, Shri Shaf-
quat Jung, Shri Biswanara-
yan Shastri, Shri Dharamflai
Singh Shri Somchand
Solanki, Shri S. B. Thakre,
Shrimati Bhargavi Than-
kappan Shri Niti Raj Singh
Chaudhury.

The motion was adopted.

1125 hrs.

MINES AND MINERALS (REGU-
LATION AND DEVELOPMENT)
AMENDMENT BILL— Contd.

MR. SPEAKER: There is none on
his feet. Who wants to speak? If
nobody wants to speak, the Minister
may reply.

Rajya Sabha that the House
do join in the Joint Com-
mittee of the Houses on the
Bill to provide for the adopt-
ion of children and lor mat-
ters connected therewith,
made in the motion adopted
by Rajya Sabha at its sitting
held on the 1st August,
1972 and communicated to
this House on the 2nd
August, 1972 and do resolve
that the following 30 Mem-
bers of Lok Sabha be nomi-
nated to serve on the said
Joint Committee, namely : —

Shri S. R. A. S. Appalanaidu,
Shri Shiv Kumar Shastri,
Shri Lambodar Baliyar, Shri
Dharnidhar Basumatari, Shri
Shyama Prasanna Bhatta-
charyya, Shri Amar Nath

SHRI R. N. SHARMA (Dhanbad):
I want to speak . . .

MR SPEAKER; You deserve
some punishment! I called twice
and there was nobody and I called
the Minister. You may speak now.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I support
the Bill which, is already before the
House, namely, the Mines and Mine-
rals (Regulation and Development)
Amendment Bill. There are some
salient features and the Bill is
sought to be introduced on the re-
commendation of the Mineral Advi-
sory Board and also from that of the
Ministers of the States concerning
mines and geology. This Bill ia a
welcome Bill. There are of course,
so many omissions, even in respect
of the recommendations of Mineral
Advisory Board. That Advisory

Minee%nd

AUGUST 26, 1972 Minerals {etc. etc.) SiU 16

[Shri R. N. Sharma]

Board recommended that there
should be ceiling on prospecting and
also leases of the mines. But Gov-
ernment in its wisdom has introduc-
ed this Bill by keeping almost the
same ceiling, that means, for pros-
pecting, from 50 sq. miles they have
reduced it to 50 sq. k.m. The recom-
mendation of Mineral Advisory
Board was that this should be 25 sq.
k.m. and 12 sq. k.m. for some of the
minerals. The recommendation is
on this issue. It was decided that the
ceiling for respective licence in res-
pect of all minerals except coal base
metal and bauxite mav be kept at
25 sq. k.m. and in respect of coal,
base metal and bauxite at 12 sq. k.m.
This should have been further reduc-
ed. I feel that people in these days
are not very much interested in
these minerals. The private sector
mine-owners are not interested. 1
Private people do not come to the
field of mining. Their confidence has
been shaken. It is because of the
take-over of the mines. Mine owners
have started withdrawing from the
mining field. They are trying to
take out the easiest minerals. They
slaughter the mines and they also
try to spoils it by exploiting 20 or
25 per cent of minerals and leaving
80 or 75 per cent of minerals.

Sir, this is the fate of the mining
industry at present. The coal target
of the Government has been fixed
for the Fifth Plan at 160 million
tonnes. That is not likely to be
achieved.

While moving the Bill for consi-
deration yesterday, lihe Minister said
that production has gone up parti-
cularly with reference to coal indus-
try. For the last 2 years it has gone
down. This is the third year that
production has gone down from 78
million tonnes to 72 million tonnes.
Last year, in the year 1971, it has
gone down to 68 million tonnes. For
the past two years it has gone down
from 78 million tonnes to 68 million
tonnes. The target for Fourth Plan
was 100 million tonnes. We are not
going to achieve our target because

there is non-cooperation from mine-
owners. Not only that, but it is due
to, mines and minerals not being re-
moved by Rail from the minnig
belts also.

Partly, the Government in the
Transport Ministry or the Railway
Ministry are responsible for not
moving these minerals. Instead of
the production going up in the Fourth
Five Year Plan, we find that there
is a steep fall in mineral production
all round.

As far as the question of giving
lease licences for the minerals is
concerned, the target is being reduc-
ed only from 10 sq. miles to 10 sq.
k.m. 1 submit that this is also a very
big area and when people take such
a big area under their possession,
they are not m a position to exploit
it properly. I can cite many instances
in this regard.

In connection with the Mines
(Amendment) Bill, the Select Com-
mittee Members had visited Kedala
and Jharkhand mines in the Hazari-
bagh district of Bihar and they
found that in one lease area, there
were 56 blocks, and all those 56
blocks were being operated by 56
managing contractors and those 56
managing contractors were engaging
hundreds of other contractors and
those hundreds of contractors were
again engaging thousands of petty
contractors and they were engaging
8000 workers and none of the provi-
sions of the Mines Act were being fol-
lowed.

So, while granting these leases,
care should be taken to see that
where the owner or the leaseholder
is not in a position to fulfil the obli-
gations under the Mines Act, then
such kind of leases shuld be can-
celled, and such kind of owners
should not be allowed to continue in
the mining industry because they try
to exploit the easiest coal and the
cheapest coal or the cheapest mine-
ral and they walk out of the indus-
try immediately, leaving the entire
field to the mercy of the future de-
veloping authority, and sometimes
it is not developed also.

Mines and BHADRA 4,

Government are going to take
power in regard to the taking over of
these mines and minerals in consul-
tation witn the State Government.
They want to consult the State Gov-
ernment. while taking over minerals
other than minor minerals, but they
do not want to take the same power
and they want to leave the State;
Government free while dealing with
the minor minerals.

Sometimes, it so happens that mi-
nor minerals come badly in the way
of the development of other minerals.
So, the coal industry is at present
suffering from the lack of supply of
sand, because they are not getting
enough sand. Sand is under the con-
trol of the State Government and
the State Government gives lease to
the private owners who just come
in the way ana keep their own terms
and conditions with the people who
take sand from the river belts. So,
care should be taken that just as
while dealing with minerals other
than minor minerals, the Central
Government will consult the State
Government, likewise, the State Gov-
ernment also should consult the
Central Government It should be
provided under section 4A(2), the
State Government should take over
those minerals also in consultation
with the Central Government.

The third thing which I want to
point out is this. The recommenda-
tion of the Mineral Advisory Board
is that the penal provisions should
be made more stringent If you, how-
ever, look at clause 12 in the new
Bill you will find that it is exactly
the same as clause 21 of the old Act,
and there is no difference at all. The
provision for six months’ imprison-
ment or Rs. 1,000 fine is also here in
this new Bill These people who may
not compare the old Bill with the
new Bill may be satisfied that some
stringent punishment is being pro-
vided. But that is not really the
position. The same provision which
was there before is there in this
Bill also.

These are a few suggestions to
which I would like to invite the at-
tention of the hon Minister, During
the second reading stage, I am going
to move certain amendments on this
basis, and I hope that Government

1894 (SAKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) 18

Bill

will accept them. Firstly, they should
reduce the prospecting licence period,
then secondly, they should reduce
the lease area, and thirdly, they
should also enhance the punishment
provided under the penal provisions.

With these observations, I support
the Bill

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*SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER (Nil-
girls): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf
of my party, the Dravida Munnetra
Kazhagam. I would like to say a

few words on The Mines and Mine-
rals (Regulation and Development)
Amendment Bill, 1972.

Though this is a good legislative
measure, this has been belatedly
brought before this House. I do not
understand the attitude of the Cen-
tral Government to procrastinate the
passing of such good measures. There
should be delay in bringing before
this House such constructive mea-
sures.

In this Bill it is proposed that the
prospecting licence will be restrict-
ed to fifty square kilometres. It is
very good. But, what happens to the
existing licences for more than 50
square kilometres 7 Will those licen-
ces be repealed or will they be allow-
ed to continue 7 Nothing has been
mentioned in this Bill about such
licences which are already in force.
T would like the hon Minister to
clarify this point

For mineral development the Cen-
tral Government had invested Rs. 1 06
ernres in the First Five Year Plan;
in the Second Plan the investment
was Rs 73 rrores, in the Third Plan
Rs 28‘.’J3 eroies and in the Fourth
Plan the*' out lay is Rs. 510 crores.

The share of minerals in the natio-
nal income is Rs 470 crores during
thf' Fiist Plan, Rs. 688 crores in the

11 Plan, Rs 969 crores m the III Plan
and during 1967-68 to 1971-72 it is
Rs 1,624 crores. In spite of the fact
that so much money has been invest-
ed in mineral development, the pro-
duction of certain minerals has come
down m recent years. I would like
to request the hon. Minister to go
into this question and take remedial
measures

12 hrs

While in 1960 the production of
mica was 29,000 tonnes, in 1970 it
had come down to 16,000 tonnes. The
production of lead concentrate was
6.000 tonnes in 1960 and it has drop-
ped down to 4.000 tonnes in 1970. In
1960, the quantity of gypsum produc-
ed was 9,97,000 tonnes and in 1970,

*The original speech was delivered in Tamil.

2f Mina and BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) Bill 30

the production of gypsum came down
to 9,15.000 tonnes. Similarly, the pro-
duction of- gold, which has a signi-
ficant share in our national wealth,
was 5,000 kg. in 1960 and in 1970 the
production was 3,000 kg. Only in the
case of Manganese ore, the produc-
tion hag gone up to 17 lakh tonnes
in 1970 from 15 lakh tonnes in 1960.

During the course of a decade, the
production of such important mine-
rals has dropped down considerably.
The principal reason for less produc-
tion is due to the defective industrial
policy resolution of the Central Gov-
ernment and the desire on the part
of Central Government to concen-
trate everything in their hands. If
the exploitation of minerals had been
entrusted to the State Governments,
the production would have definitely
gone up But the Central Govern-
ment have no desire to decentralise
the powers which are concentrated
in their hands This has contributed
to the reduced production in these
minerals The number of mine wor-
kers has also gone up from 54.000 in
1956 to 1.77,000 in 1969. Inspite of
that, the production, instead of in-
creasing. has decreased

Though the Government b ive spent
crores of rupees in scientific deve-
lopment, the export performance in
these minerals is not satisfactory. In
1955-56, the export of mica was of
the value of Rs 8 4 crores and in
1969-70 Rs. 11.4 crores The value of
manganese ore exported in 1955-56
was Rs 10.7 crores and in 1970-71 it
had come down to Rs. 10.5 crores.
In the case of iron, ore, from Rs. 6.3
crores in 1955-56, the export value
rose to Rs. 86.1 crores.

You know, sir, that the demand
for steel products inside the coun-
try has grown up very much and the
Government are not able to meet
the entire indigenous demand, which
m consequence has shot up the price
of steel products. Though the Gov-
ernment may earn increased foreign
exchange through the export of iron
ore, is that going to help in meet-
ing the indigenous demand for steel
products? Is that going to help in
reducing the prices of steel products?
What is the use of increasing the

export of iron ore, when 'the Gov-
ernment are unable to control the
prices of steel products and when
they are not able to meet in full the
country’s demand for steel products?
I would request the hon. Minister to
look into this question.

Since the coking coal mines were
not being operated properly and pro-
fitably, the Government nationalised
them only recently. Here also, the
parent Act was passed in 1957 and
during the past 14 years, since the
mine-owners did not care to exploit
the minerals in the interest of
the nation, since the mine-owners
did not take interest in the welfare
of mine-workers, the Government
have come forward with this half-
hearted amending measure I do not
understand the hesitancy on the part
of the Government to nationalise
these mines so that the minerals can
be exploited for the good of the
national and not for the good of a
few people. I would suggest that the
Government should nationalise the
exploitation of mineral wealth in
the country and also the mines which
are under exploitation.

For example, a Survey Report says
that gypsum is available in. plenty
in Chingleput district of Tamil Nadu.
Likewise, the State Government in
eoniunction with the U.N.D.P. ex-
perts is working on the survey of
minerals available in many parts of
Tamil Nadu It is hoped that a
mini-Bihar will come up in Tamil
Nadu as the UN.DP. experts are
verv hopeful of locating huge depo-
sits of minerals in the State.

I would appeal to the Central
Government thjit they should also
take energetic and * effective steps
in exploiting the mineral wealth m
the State. I am constrained to say
that the Central Government have
been showing partisan attitude to-
wards the Neiveli Lignite Project.
On account of defective and worn-
out machinery, the lignite production
has been going down year after year.
The Central Government have not
taken any interest in replacing them.
The second mine-cut in the Neiveli
Project has not yet been started.
Though we have made repeated r$-

Mimes '%tl AUGUST 26, 1972 Minerals {(tc. etc.) m 32

quests to the Cei)&re in this respect,
no concrete action has yet been ta-
ken. 1 would appeal to the hon.
Minister to look into these questions
and do the needful.

Sir, we are also entirely dependent
on the depleting gold reserves in the
Kolar Mines in Mysore State. The
working of these Gold mines has also
not proved to be profitable. I am
sorry to state that the Government
have not taken steps to survey the
•availability of gold deposits in other
parts of the country. During British
regime, gold was found in Nilgiris,
which is my constituency. Even after
25 years of our Independence, the
Central Government have not
thought it proper to order for the
survey of my Constituency, the Nil-
giris, so that the availability of gold
there can be confirmed and later
exploited. I am unable to appreciate
the callous attitude of the Central
Government in regard to the exploi-
tation of mineral wealth available
in southern parts of our country. I
would say that the Central Govern-
ment, instead of engaging themsel-
ves in unproductive activities, should
take greater interest in such produc-
tive ventures in the interest of the
nation.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Gowder, this
is not a general debate on mines,
minerals and exploitation of mine-
rals. The Bill has got certain specific
provisions Please try to be brief, as
the time fixed for this Bill is only
one hour.

SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER: I
would request the hon. Minister to
nationalise the existing mines and
also reserve for pvblic sector the
exploitatiori df minerals in the coun-
try. The hon. Minister of Steel hails
from Tamil Nadu and without any
reservation. I hope, he will show
greater interest in exploiting the
mineral wealth of southern parts of
our country, more particularly in
Tamil Nadu.

I support this Bill, though this
has been belatedly brought before
this House

With these words, I conclude.

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THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ
KHAN). Mi. Speaker, Su, I am very
giateiui to the hon members who
have taken pait m this debate. They
have unanimously given their sup-
poit to this measure During the dis-
cussions, iny hon. fnend, Shri Modi,
and some otheis have expiesged an
appiehension that the Government
would misuse their power in termi-
nation oi leasts. He was apprehen-
sive that Government might displace
the small scale industries when they
decide to acquire some mines on
which those small scale industries
are based He also talked about
small co-opeiative workers who are
managing some mines 1 wish to
assuie the House that this power
which is being sought to be acquired
undet section 4A, termination ol
mining leases, would be resorted to
only in veiy exceptional cases where
the laigei intei ests of the nation
ana the development of big indus-
tries so demand It will not be done
in a light-hearted manner.

A number of membeis said that
the power given to the State Govern-
ments to terminate mining leases in
lespect of minor minerals may also
be misused 1 am very grateful to
my ii lends, bhri R N Sharma and
Shu Modi, who have brought for-
ward amendments in which they
have proposed that, m case of termi-
nation oi mining leases for minor
minerals, the State Government
should consult the Central Govern-
imnt That, I think, is a very good
amendment, and as we take up
clause-by-clause consideration, I
would be happy to accept that amend-
ment

A number of my hon friends also
expressed apprehension that the
powei now being sought that the
Geological Survey of India or any
other agency duly authorised by Gov-
ernment should be allowed to enter
any mining leape area to carry out
pro-pecting work or other investiga-
tion, might be misused; they particu-
larly expressed an apprehension that
they may enter the areas where crops
are standing and mav destroy the
crops. This power is being sought to
be acquired as a result of discussions
which we held in the Mineral

Mines and

BHADRA 4, 1894 {8 AKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) Sill 42

Advisory Board, and we have the
support 6f all the State Governmenta
to this measure. Previously the Geo-'
logical Survey of India could enter
only areas which were not held under
mining leases. But there are large
areas which are held under mining
leases and which are not being pro-
perly exploited. Therefore, it was
thought necessary that even in areas
which are held under mining leases,
the Geological Survey of India or
any other agency authorised by the
Government should be allowed to
enter and cany out investigations.
We will take every care. I assure
the House, that the standing crops
belonging to the fanners are not
damaged m any way. In case it is
absolutely unavoidable, there is a
provision for compensation; if we
have to resort to any such thing,
then the farmer will be duly com-
pensated.

We have heard conflicting views
on whether the area under prospect-
ing leases and mining leases should
be reduced or should be allowed to
remain at the same level. It has
been recommended in this Bill that
the area should be reduced in case
of prospecting licence from 50 sq.
miles to 50 sq. kilometres. That is a
very sizeable reduction

AN HON. MEMBER: That is
against the Mineral Advisory Board’s
decision-

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: That
is a very sizeable reduction. Gov-
ernment will have no hesitation in
reducing it further if that is the
consensus of the House.

Regarding the area held under
mining lease, the Bill seeks to re-
duce the area from 10 sq. males to
10 sq. kilometres. That, again, is a
very sizeable reduction. But here my
hon. friend has suggested that the
area should, in the case of mining
lease, be reduced further. I would
like to put before the House the ac-
tual state of affairs as it is within
my Ministry, We have to keep in
very close touch with the State Gov-
ernments, and in such matters we
have to take jjjieir opinion. We have
referred this matter to all the State
Governments who have been asked

to communicate their views to the
Director of Indian Bureau of Mines,
and as soon as their views are
known, then if it is necessary to re-
duce it further, Government will
not hesitate to do so. I would also
like to state that this area is the
maximum that can be given. There
is nothing to prevent the Central
Government or the State Govern-
ment to give much less area for pros-
pecting or mining lease.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: There is
provision to give more.

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN:
Government reserves the right to
waive this condition and give much
larger areas to public sector under-
takings, and I am sure, my friend
would not resent that.

My hon. friends, Shri Damodar
Pandey and Shri Sharma, from the
coal-fields have raised a very perti-
nent point regarding sand for stow-
ing. Sand is very important for stow-
ing in coal-fields. There is a provision
—section 3(e) of the existing Act — ‘
which empowers the Central Gov-'
ernmcnt to declare sand, used for
prescribed purposes, as a major
mineral. Under that, sand can be
classified as a major mineral and ac-
tion can be taken accordingly.

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: In
spite of that, are you not aware that
NCDC and the Bharat Coking Coal
have failed to obtain sand leases in
the Damodar river and they are fac-
ing much difficulty on that account?

. . ( Interruptions ).

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: We
shall certainly examine if there is
any need t& declare sand as a major
mineral and to take it under the
Central Government. But, my hon.
friends know that the problem in
the Damodar river regarding sand is
not of mining leases, but it is of the
availability of sand. There is less
sand available as a result of certain
dams coming up in the catchment
area . . .

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY:
Whatever is available has been
handed over to the private people.

43 Mimand l AUGUST 26, 1972 Mmtrd« (dc. etc.) Bill 44

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: My
hon. friend from Timil Nadu has
unfortunately gone nyvay. He want-
ed to know whether this ceiling on
holding will apply to leases which
are in existence already or to the
future mining and prospecting leases.
This Bill does not seek tg have any
retrospective effect and, therefore,
it would not apply to prospecting
and mining leases which are in ope-
ration already. So, it would not
apply to them.

A number of my friends have
spoken regarding penalties which are
to be imposed for irregularity or
trespassing or carrying on mining
in an irregular manner. May I refer
the hon Member, Shri Damodar
Pandey to amendment to Sec. 21 on
page 6 where it says:

“Whoever contravenes the pro-
visions of sub-section (1) of
section 4 shall be punished
with imprisonment for a
term which may extend to
six months, or with fine
which may extend to one
thousand rupees, or with
both."

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: ‘or’
will serve no purpose. Nobody is
sentenced till now. Knowing full
well that the violation of the Act is
going on, can you say how many
persons have been imprisoned?

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Pandey. He
is contradicting. You said there is no
penal clause which is contradicting.

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: . In
the Mineral Advisory Board it was
decided that the penalty clause
should be made'rriore stringent and
the penalty provisions should be en-
hanced whereas in this Bill the same
provision has been incorporated
which was in the original Act. So,
what are the stringent measures you
are taking? Ypu are just copying
the old Act,

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: We
are wet to go to olause-by-clause
reaamg. Certain amendments have
been brought forward by hon. Mem-

bers seeking enhancement of penal-
ties and I propose to accept them.

MR. SPEAKER: It has already
taken more than an hour.

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: Sir,
there is nothing controversial. Only
I would like to say this much in con-
clusion. I would like to say that the
Government have noted what the
hon. Members have said regarding
misuse and exploitation of mines,
particularly, the coal mines in the
coal fields. A number of hon. Mem-
bers who have spoken have desired
that the Government should nationa-
lise the coal mines. The bon. Minis-
ter for Steel and Mines, on a num-
ber of occasions, has declared the
present policy of the Government.
According to the present thinking in
the Ministry of Steel and Mines, the
Government do not propose to na-
tionalise all the coal mines, but, we
have said that where we find that the
private sector is not playing its part
fairly and honestly and that it is
not investing sufficient funds and
that it is, what they call, slaughter-
ing the mines or exploiting the
mines in an unscientific manner,
there, the Government will natural-
ly be compelled to step in. But the
Government will naturally like to
give an opportunity and chance to
the private sector to play its part in
the exploitation of the coal mines in
a scientific manner and with confi-
dence.

With these remarks. I once again
thank the members who have taken
part in this discussion.

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MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

•‘That the Bill further to amend
the Mines and Minerals (Re-
gulation and Development)
Act. 1957, be taken into con-
sideration.”

The motion was adopted,

Clause 2 — ( Insertion of new section

4A)

SHRI R N. SHARMA: I beg to
more:

Page 1. line 18,—

After “State Government” insert —
after consultation with the
Central Government,” (14).

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I
would like to accept this with a
little change.

MR. SPEAKER: You can move
another one if you like.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: What is
the change the hon. Minister wants
to make?

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I
accept this amendment with a ver-
bal change.

MR. SPEAKER: The Minister
should put it in his mouth. We don’t
go by the spirit; we go by the words.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I accept
the amendment 'along with the
amendment which he has suggest-
ed.

MR. SPEAKER: You agree to it?
.Then, both of you agree to it. You
may move it.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I beg to
move:

•Page 1, (i) line 18 ,- —for “The
State Government may, if it
is”.

Substitute—

Where the State Govern-
ment. after consultation with
the Central Government, is”
[(14), as modified .]

SIIRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN:
There is a consequential amendment.
That is, line 20, after “so to do” in-
sert it may”.

MR. SPEAKER : I will not approve
of this practice of coming with such
changes so hastily and quickly. You
are sitting by the side of a very
eminent lawyer. Why can’t you give
it in his name?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMA-
RAMANGALAM); There is no prob-
lem here; it i s just a question of
phraseology used. What my friend
Mr. R. N. Sharma wants to introduce
in this Bill is being accepted in
toto, but the wording that he has
suggested is not a happy wording
from the legal point of view. We
are suggesting a slightly different
wording which brings out exactly
what he wants. I have made it clear.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sharma may
move it, together: it i s consequential.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I shall
move it £is modified.

I move:

Page 1,—

(i) line 18,— for “The State Gov-

ernment may. if it is”.

Substitute— “Where the State
Government, after consulta-
tion with the Central Gov-
ernment, is”

(ii) line 20,— after “so to do” in-
sert—", it may”. [(14), os
modified.]

Mini and AUGUST 26, 1972 Minerals (etc. etc.) m 48 1

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:
Page 1,—

(i) line 18,— /or “The State Gov-
ernment may, if it is”.

Substitute — "Where the State
Government, after consulta-
tion with the Central Gov-
ernment, is”

(ii) line 20 ,— after “so to do”, in-
sert — may” [(14), as modi-
fied .]

The motion was adopted.

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:
“That Clause 2. as amended,
stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted

Clause 2, as amended , was added to
the Bill.

Clause 3 — ( Amendment of section 6.)

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I
move:

Page 2, line 20, —

for “lease or licence”
substitute— "mining lease or

prospecting licence”. (8)

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I beg to
move:

Page 2, line 11,—

for "fifty” substitute “twenty-
five". (12)

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I
accept it.

MR. SPEAKER ^ You are not mov-
ing the other one!

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: No.

MR. SPEAKER: I will now put
amendment No. 8 moved by Shri
Shah Nawaz Khan to the vote of
the House. The question is:

Page 2, line 20,—

for “lease or licence”

■ substitute— “mining lease or

prospecting licence”. (8)

The motion was adopted. a

MR, SPEAKER: Now, I will put
amendment No. 12 moved by Shri
R. N. Sharma to the vote of the
House. The question is:

Page 2, line 11, —

for “fifty” substitute “twenty,
five”. (12).

The motion was adopted.

MR. SPEAKER: Now, the ques-
tion is: ,

“That Clause 3. as amended,
stand part of the Bill."

The motion was adopted.

Clause 3, as amended, was added to
the Bill.

13 hrs.

MR. SPEAKER : There are no
amendments to clause 4 to 6. So, I
shall put them together to vote.

The question is:

“That clauses 4 to 6 stand part
of the Bill”.

The motion icas adopted.

Clauses 4 to 6 were added to the

Bill.

Clause 7 — (Amendment of section 14)
Amendment made:

Page 4, line 3,—

for “other concessions” substi-
tute "other mineral conces-
sions”. (9)

(Shri Shahnawaz Khan)

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

"That clause 7, as amended,
stand part of the Bill".

The motion was adopted

Clause 7, as amended, was added to
the Bill.

Clauses 8 to 11 were added to the
Bill.

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: There is
correction in it.

4 $ Mines and Minerals BHADR^. 4, 1894 (SAKA) Rulers of Indian 50

(etc. etc.) Bill States (etc. etc.) Bill

MR. SPEAKER: No, that was a
consequential change. That has al-
ready been accepted.

Clause 12— (Amendment oi section
21 )

MR. SPEAKER: There are two
amendments to this clause tabled by
Shri R. N. Sharma. Is he moving
them?

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: Yes.

MR. SPEAKER: Is the hon. Minis-
ter accepting them?

SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN:
Yes, I am accepting both of them.

Amendments made:

Page 6, line 19,—

for “six months" substitute “one
year”. (15)

Page 6, live 19 and 20, —

for “one thousand” substitute
“five thousand”. (16)

(Shri R. N. Sharma)

MR. SPEAKER: The question is:

“That clause 12, as amended,
stand part of the Bill”.

The motion was adopted

Clause 12, as amended, was added to
the Bill.

Clauses 13 to 16 were added to the
Bill.

Clause 1. the Enacting Formula and
the Title were added to the Bill.

SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN: I
beg to move:

“That the Bill, as amended, be
passed”.

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The question is:

“That the .Bill, as amended, be
passed”.

The motion was adopted

MR. SPEAKER: This Bill has
taken a lot of time, almost double
the time allotted for it.

13.(ili hrs.

RULERS OF INDIAN STATES
(ABOLITION OF PRIVILEGES)
BILL

MR. SPEAKER: Now, we shall
take up the Rulers of Indian States
(Abolition of Privileges) Bill.

We have two other Bills also. The
time allotted for the Rulers of
Indian States (Abolition of Privi-
leges) Bill is two hours. Then, we
have another Bill for which 1 hour
has been allotted and a third one
also for which again 1 hour here has
been allotted. We allotted one hour
for each of them, just for the sake of
allotting time; otherwise, they should
not take so much time. But for the
Bill relating to abolition of privi-
leges of Indian Rulers, it was decid-
ed in the Business Advisory Commit-
tee to allot two hours. Now the hon.
Minister

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA-
LE): I beg to move:

“That the Bill further to amend
• certain enactments conse-
quent on derecognition of
Rulers of Indian States and
abolition of privy purses, so
as to abolish the privileges
of Rulers and to make cer-
tain transitional provisions to
enable the said Rulers to ad-
just progressively to the
changed circumstances, be
taken into consideration.”.

In December last, this House by an
overwhelming majority endorsed the
abolition . of privy purses and the
concept of Rulers. Consequent on

States {etc. etc.) Bill 52

51 Rulers of Indian AUGUST 26, 1972

LSbri H. R. Gokfcle]

the enactment o| the Constitution
(Twenty-Sixth) Amendment Bill,
1971. various administrative steps
were taken to withdraw the privi-
leges which were attached to the
former Rulers by virtue of executive
orders and statutory notifications.

Some of the privileges of these
Rulers have been provided for by
certain enactments Since there were
no Rulers, the relevant provisions of
these enactments have also ceased
to be generally applicable, though
some technical argument in favour
of the view that some of these pro-
visions continue to be operative
cannot be eliminated without a for-
mal amendment of the enactments.

The Bill before the House seeks to
complete the process which was set
m motion by the enactment of the
Constitution (Twenty-sixth Amend-
ment) Act by making the necessary
changes in the various enactments.
While the concept of Rulership and
Rulers as a privileged class has been
done away with, the Bill does take
into account the human problem
which has resulted and seeks to
make some provisions for this. As
the Prime Minister pointed out,
while moving the Constitution
(Twenty-sixth Amendment) Bill in
this House, there is no personal
animus against any individual
prince Accordingly, as a transition-
al measure, to avoid undue hardship
to the individuals concerned, certain
concessions are sought to be given
or continued to the ex-Rulers by the
Bill. These, however, are extremely
limited in scope and would apply
only to those .who weVe Rulers prior
to the commencement of the Consti-
tution (Twenty-sixth Amendment)
Act. These provisions will spend
themselves out in course of time.

1 shall now explain briefly the
provisions made in the Bill In res-
pect of privileges available to for-
mer Rulers under the various enact-
ments These privileges fall into two
categories; (i) the privileges under
the prsijfdural laws, namely, the
Code n f Criminal Procedure, 1898
and the Code of Civil Procedure,
196$* and (ii) exemptions under the

taxation laws, namely the Wealth-
tax Act, the Gift-tax Act and the
Income-tax Act.

I shall now deal with the privi-
leges under the procedural laws.
Section 197A of the Code of Crimi-
nal Procedure provided for two pri-
vileges In the first place, the previ-
ous sanction of the Government is
necessary for taking cognizance of
an offence alleged to have been com-
mitted by a Ruler of a former
Indian State In the second place,
the Central Government has to de-
termine the person by whom and the
manner in which the offence or
offences for which the prosecution of
a Ruler of a former Indian State is
to be conducted and that Govern-
ment has also to specify the court
before which the trial is to be held.
By virtue of the amendment propos-
ed in clause 2 of the Bill, these pri-
vileges will henceforth be available
only in relation to offences commit-
ted before the commencement of the
Constitution, that is, the 26th Janu-
ary. 1950, by a person recognised as
a Ruler before such commencement.

Under section 87B of the Code of
Civil Procedure, a former Ruler was
immune from arrest under the Code.
Except with the consent of the Cen-
tral Government, a suit against a
foimer Ruler could not be tried and
a decree against a former Ruler
could not be executed against the
property of such Ruler.

Further, a Ruler may request the
Central Government to appoint any
person to prosecute or defend any
suit on behalf of such Ruler. Bv
virtue of the amendment proposed
in clause 3 of the Bill, these provi-
sions would be available only in res-
pect of a suit based upon a cause of
action which arose before the com-
mencement of the Constitution or any
proceeding arising out of such a
suit and that too only in relation to
persons recognised as Rulers before
the commencement of the Constitu-
tion.

The continuance of the provisions
of sec 197A of the Cr. P.C. and sec-
tion 87B of the Civil Procedure

53 Ruler* of Indian BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) States (ftr. e/c.) Bill 54

Code in respect of pre-Constitution
offences or acts will have very limit-
ed operation in action and practice,
and is in accordance with the observa-
tion of the Supreme Court that
broadly in the light of the basic
principle of equality before the law,
for past dealings and transactions,
protection may justifiably be given
to Rulers of former Indian States.
As a consequence of the abolition of
privileges under 197A of the Crimi-
nal Procedure Code and sec. 87B of
the Civil Procedure Code in respect
of offences or acts subsequent to the
commencement of the Constitution,
it is no longer necessary to retain
sec. 168 of the Representation of the
People Act, 1951, which provides
that the provisions of this section
will not apply in relation to a Ruler
who has been nominated for an elec-
tion from the date of such nomina-
tion till the declaration of the result
of the election and also in respect
of certain offences alleged to have
been committed at or in connection
with such election. Hence that sec-
tion is being omitted by clause 4 of
the Bill.

I will now pass on to deal with the
exemptions under taxation laws. The
exemptions under the Income-tax Act
in respect of privy purse and under
the Gift Tax Act in respect of gifts
made out of privy purse have virtual-
ly become otiose with the abolition of
privy purses and the relevant provi-
sions are being omitted. With a view
to enabling the Rulers to adjust them-
selves progressively to the changed ci r „
cumstances, it is proposed to continue
the exemption under the Wealth Tax
Act 1957 in respect of one official resi-
dence and heir loom jewellery of each
former Ruler for his lifetime. The
continuance of the exemption in res-
oect of heirloom jewellery is also in
the national interest because the
exemption is subject to a number of
restrictions which are designed to
ensure that the heirloom jewellery is
not converted, disposed of or sent out
of India. Likewise, it is also proposed
to provide for exemption of ex-gratia
payments which may be made by the
Central Government to the Rulers
consequent on the abolition of the
privy purses and to restrict the exemp-

tion in respect of palaces to one
palace. If these ex-gratia payments
are to serve the intended purpose of
enabling the Rulers to adjust them-
selves to the changed circumstances,
it is necessary to provide for exemp-
tion of the same. I commend the Mo-
tion.

MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved:

“That the Bill further to amend
certain enactments consequent
on derecognition of Rulers of
Indian States and abolition
of privy purses, so as to abo-
lish the privileges of Rulers
and to make certain transi-
tional provisions to enable
the said Rulers to adjust pro-
gressively to the changed
circumstances, be taken into
consideration”.

SHRT BIREN DUTTA (Tripura
West): This iSaBill which actually
expresses the hesitation of Govern-
ment to do away with the princely pri-
vileges. The title of the Bill is very
good. But if we go through the Bill,
there are some provisions which are
necessary , but what we find is that
the ex-Rulers are so much in the
heart of Government that even while
abolishing the privy purses they are
going to be given amounts to rehabi-
litate themselves in the changed cir-
cumstances. This seems to be a very
serious problem for the Government
to look after the Rulers whose pri-
vileges thev are abolishing. But
when the question of looking after
the ordinary people comes even un-
der this Bill, there is not a word of
svmoathv for them. There are thou-
sands of employees of these Rulers.
They have not been shown any sym-
pathy in reganf to * rehabilitation.
The Government are practically sup-
porting the exploiting classes, the
Rulers, monopolists and so on. The
first consideration comes for the ex-
ploiters, not for the exploited. Why
is it that not a word has been utter-
ed for these unfortunate employees
of the Rulers after the abolition of
the privy purses, not a word about
giving anything from these amounts
to those who have served under the
rulers? What will be their fate?

AUGUST 26, 1972

States {etc. da.) BiU 16

65 Rulers of Julian

[Shri Biren Dutfcp]

We have seen ih the Supplemen-
tary -Demands thttt Rs. 10 crores is
to be given to these ex-Rulers out
of compassion to the Rulers and
their family members as ex-gratia
payments. All compassion Hows for
those sections of society who are
not really the producers of any
wealth, who are in the context of
history practically are still main-
taining a kind heart for the ex-Rulers
and have demonstrated it by this
ex-gratia payment to them.

At the time of the consideration of
the abolition of the privy purses
Bill, we demanded that no money
should be given to the RuUrs if
anything has to be given, it should
b» given to those who were the em-
ployees in the services of these
Rulers. Here in this Bill, as I said,
there is not a word about them I
request the Minister to consider this,
if you have so much svmpathy for
the Rulers and their relatives, why
not some sympathy for those who
are employed by these Rulers’ With
these few words, I support the Bill.

*SHRI M KATHAMUTHU: (Nag-
apattinam): Mr Speaker Sir, The
Rulers cf Indian States (Abolition of
Privileges) Bill 1972 has been
brought before this House as a result
of persistent demand of Hon Mem-
bers of both Lok Sabha and Rajva
Sabha This Bill purports to abolish
certain privileges and immunities en-
joyed bv the former rulers.

While T extend mv support to this
Bill to the extent that it seeks to
withdraw the exemptions granted io
the ex-rulers under the Gift Tax
Act and to revoke the immunities
from Criminal Procedure Code I
cannot per force extend mv whole
hearted support to .the remaining
provisions of the Bill

I cannot, for example, accept the
proposed Amendment to Civil Pro e-
dure Code in this Bill Tt is common
knowledge that a large number cf
civil suits relating to the properties
of the ex-rulers are pending before
the courts To eive a classic example
the map of his plots and lands
drawn up bv the Gwalior Maharaja

The original speech was delivered

in the year 1954 varied widely with
the inventory prepared by nhfl in
1948. Consequently, there are innu-
merable civil suits filed and pending
in the Courts. Therefore, Sir, I am
opposed even to limiting the immu-
nity under the Civil Procedure Code
to acts and omissions of the rulers
before the commencement of the
Constitution Sir. you are aware of
the noble erncept of “Equality be-
fore Law". I am unable to reconcile
myself to the discrimination sought
to be perpetuated through this Bill
in favour of iormer rulers. You will
no dcubt agree with my demand that
the Civil Procedure Code should be
applicable in a uniform manner to all
the citizens of our country.

I want to bring to your kind atten-
tion another unsavoury and odious
comparison of the ex-rulers with the
rulers of a fo-eign state m the mat-
ter of enforcement of Civil Proce-
dure Code You w'lll find this in
clause 3(a) of the Bill I consider
this as totally unwarranted and un-
reasonable

Similarly this Bill provides for
exempting the ex-rulers from prose-
cution under Cnminsl Procedure
Code for offences committed before
the commencement of the Constitu-
tion What is the basis for such an
exemption in the case of ex-rulers?
If thev had committed offences oven
before the commencement of the
Constitution, they should be proceed-
ed against in accordance with the
law of Ihe land.

In this introductory speech while
moving the Bill the hon Minister
stated that the exemptions under
the Wealth tax are being limited for
the life time of the ex-rulers I feel
that even this concession is not war-
ranted. I would now refer to the
oxemDtion given under the Wealth-
Tax Act in respect of heirloom je-
wellery of ex-rulers It is provided
under clause 5(b) of the Bill that
reasonable steps shall be taken for
keeping the heirloom jewellery sub-
stantially on its original shape.

It may satisfy the conscience Of
the law-makers to have such a pro-
in Tamil

57- Eulers of Mian BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) States (etc. lefts,) EM 58

vision. But the e^-rulers will have
no ‘ compunction in circumventing
this provision. The shape of the heir-
loom jewellery may remain in tact
but not the contents. To quote an
instance, Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Iyer,
who headed the Hindu Religions
Endowments Commission in 1960—62,
had stated in his report that though
the Temple jewellery and other
ornaments had maintained their ori-
ginal shape, their contents had been
removed In his introductory speech,
the hon. Minister felt that these
heirlooms jewellery 1 are precious
antiquities of our country and there-
fore they should be preserved If
that were so, why should not they
be removed from the possession of
ex-rulers and kept in national mu-
seums?

Sir. I would now turn to another
provision in the Bill. In anticipation
of making ex gratia payments to the
ox-rulers, a provision has been made
in the Bill to grant exemption to
such payments from the Income-Tax
Act. The issue of ex gratia payments
to ex-rulers has a long history. When
the Constitution (26th Amendment)
Bill was proposed, an attempt was
made to provide for such e.r gratia
payments to ex-rulers The hon.
Members belonging to Opposition
Parties opposed such a move. Again,
when the President’s Address, which
carried a reference to transitional
allowances to ex-rulers, came up for
discussion in the House, we opposed
the move again Having abolished
the privy purses now Government
have decided to make rx gratia pay-
ments to the ex-rulers Anv one
would have naturally expected that
Parliament should first discuss the
question of making such payments
before giving approval to the Bill
now before us Marely because the
ruling partv has a big majority in
the House, the Government have de-
cided to pay Rs 10 70 crores ex gra-
tia to the ex-rulers. Sir. kindly note
that this is an e.r qratia payment but
not compensation.

Mr. . Speaker, Sir, yesterday, but
for your kind intervention the sup-
plementary Demands providing for
ex gratia payments would have been

passed by the House. Sir, I feel, be-
cause they have a huge majority in
the House, Government are paying
scant respect and regard to Parlia-
mentary norms and propriety.

Sir, who are the persons to receive
these ex graiLia payments? It is the
rulers to whom nearly Rs. 102.60
crores have been paid by way of
privy purses during the last 25.
years. From the newspaper reports,
we find that ex gratia payments are
being made to the rulers who have
properties worth Rs 50 crores, or
Rs. 60 crores Do we not know that
Nizam, Mysore Maharaja, and pati-
ala Maharaja have huge properties?
As far as my party is concerned, we
are totally opposed to the idea of
making ex gratia payments to the
ex-ruiers There is no justification at
all for making such payments. I,
theiefore. request the hon. Minister
to bring forward necessary amend-
ments in the Bill.

Sir, the ruling partv. at the time
of Mid-Term Poll had given assur-
ances to the people and to make ex
gratia payments runs counter to the
pledges given by the ruling party
to the people I regretfully say that
there are political motives behind
the decision to make ex gratia pay-
ments to ex-rulers

Even before the principle of ex
gratia payments has been accepted
by the Parliament this Bill provides
for an amendment to the Income-Tax
Act for granting exemption from
income tax for such payments.

Sir, I would request the hon.
Minister to withdraw this Bill and
after incorporating suitable amend-
ments on the issues I have raised,
this Bill may be re-introduced in
the House.

With these words, I conclude.

*SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER (Nil-
giris): Mr. Speaker, Sir on behalf
of mv party, the Dravida Munne-
tra Kazhagam. T would like to say
a few words on The Rulers of Indian
States (Abolition of Privileges) Bill,
1972.

The original sDeech who delivered in Tamil.

AUGUST 26, 1972 States (etc. etc.) Bitt 60

59 Buiert of jjtdian

[Shri J. Matha ipowder]

Sir, I welcome this measure which
seeks to abolish' - the exemptions and
immunities enjoyed by the former
rulers. But I am unable to appreci-
ate the announcement of the Govern-
ment that these former rulers would
be given Rs. 10.70 crores ex gratia.
What for they should be paid this
i, huge sum? These rulers have amas-
sed wealth and riches and they have
all their moneys in unidentified
accounts in foreign banks. Do the
Government want to add to their
hloated wealth by giving this sum
of Rs 10.70 crores? Sir, you will
agree with me that it is not proper
and just that these former rulers
should be given Rs. 10.70 crores.

Just when this Bill has been in-
troduced in this House providing for
the abolition of the privileges en-
joyed by the ex-rulers, the announce-
ment of ex gratia payment of Rs.
10.70 crores appeared in the Press. It
is just like giving chocolate to a
crying child. It is quite undignified
on the part of the Government to
make such a declaration Eithe^frev
could have withheld this announce-
ment of paying Rs. 1070 crores ex
gratia to the former rulers till this
Bill is passed Dy the Parliament or
they could have brought this Bill
after paying Rs 10.70 crores to the
ex-rulers I suspect the sudden gene-
rosity of the Government and I
would like to know whether there
is any political motive in this move

13.27 hrs.

I Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair.]

The other day in the newspapers
I came across a news item stating
that the Deputy Minister of Rail-
ways, Shri Shaft Quereshi expressed
the view-point that the award of
one-man Tribunal wjjich recommend-
ed the pavmsnt of night duty allow-
ance to 13 lakhs of railway workers
is not binding on the Government.
When the payment of night duty
allowance to the railway workers is
recommended by the Tribunal set
up by the Government, the Govern-
ment shrinks. But this bounty of Rs.
10.70 crorec ic being given to the
ex-rulers. Similarly, the Government
is not comine to anv definite deci-
sion in regard to payment of dear-
ness allowance to its own employees
who are in great distress on account

of soaring prices. Here A the Govern-
ment in an unseemly hurry declares
the payment of Rs. 10.70 crones ex
gratia to the ex-rulers.

If I say that the Government have
not kept up at their plighted word
during the mid-term poll, it might
be said that the Member belonging
to the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam
has made an unwarranted criticism.
But, the hon Member who preceded
me, Shri Kathamuthu belonging to
the Communist Party of India with
whom the Ruling Party has a joint
front, has made the charge that the
Government have failed miserably
in fulfilling the promises given to
the people of the country during the
mid-term poll.

The ruling party got this overwhe-
lming maioritv mainly due to the
propaganda of Government wanting
to abolish the privy purses and
other privileges of the former rulers.
Now. so soon after coming to power
on this plank, the Government are
trying to squander the public money
in paying Rs. 10 70 crores to the
former rulers.

The other day we had a discussion
in this House on the drought situa-
tion prevailing in the country There
are reports of starvation deaths in
the drought afflicted areas. The peo-
ple are in great distress on account
of price spiral The majority of our
population has not shelter, has not
been getting two square meals a
day and the spectre of unemploy-
ment is looming large over the coun-
try. Could not this sum of Rs. 10.70
crores he used in removing at least
to some extent the wide-spread po-
verty in the country and in wiping
the hot tears of famished children
of our country’

Just because the* Prime Minister
has decided on this question of pay-
ing Rs. 1070 crores to the former
rulers, a provision has been made in
this Bill to amend the Income-tax
Act for giving exemption from pay-
ment of inegmp-tax on such payment.
This Houd^iias not been given an
opportunity^ to discuss the issue.
This House is faced with a fait ac-
compli. Is this proper, Sir? Is this
according to democratic norms and
traditions?

Rid",* of Intii-m BHADRA i, 1894 (SAKA) Sla'cs (ek. etc.) Bill 62

The people of our country will
give a fitting reply at the appropriate
time and the Government will have
to face that consequence. I would
request the hon. Mims ter to with-
draw this Bill. No exemption from
income-tax should be allowed for
such payments . This section should
be suitably amended In fact, I
would request the hon. Minister to
delete the provision which speaks of
ex gratia payment to ex-rulers,
which is repugnant, unjust and un-
warranted.

I oppose this Bill on this score. It
can be re-introduced after deleting
this provision regarding ex gratia
payment. With these words I con-
clude. *

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SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(tiegusarai): This is only a conse-
quential measure and therefore there
is nothing substantive to be examin-
ed m it. Perhaps this measure was
not necessary at all. There was a
hint of this in the speech of the hon.
Minister himself. It may be that
due to the amendments that we had
carried in December last many of
these provisions and laws would have
automatically been rendered infruc-
tuous. Even so, if by way of abun-
dant caution Government had
thought it fit to move these amend-
ments, we could have no objection.
But what intrigues us most is that
in spite of the clear direction of the
Chair yesterday, we have not been
given tc understand what would be
the basis of the ex gratia payment to
be made to these ex-Rulers. We had
raised this point in connection with
the Supplementary Demands for
Grants We have not been told what
would be the rationale behind this,
what is the arithemetic behind this
figure of Rs. 10.70 crores. When the
hon Minister spoke a little while
ago, he did not give us any idea
about it If he has not done so, on
technical grounds I cannot take ob-
jection because this Bill seeks only
to give them a tax concession. But
I thought this would be the oppor-
tunity for the Minister to enlighten
the House about the basis on which
they have demanded this amount.

Therefore, the whole thing remains
mysterious We have earlier held
that there is something privy to the
abolition of the privy purse. We
have always taken objection to the
hidden dimension of the abolition of
the privy purse. Once I had occasion
to say that in this increasingly
sleeveless world the Prime Minister
seemed to be lengthening her sleeves
and keeping something up her
sleeves. That remains the position
even now. We really do not know
what is going to the basis for making
•this ex gratia payment of this huge
order.

We are being asked to give tax
concession to them, to make these
payments completely tax-free. We
really do not know for what pur-
pose we are being asked to make it
tax-free.

It is said that these payments are
for a “transitional period"; transition
to what? Then it is said that it is for
helping them to adjust themselves to
the new circumstances. Adjust, again,
to what level? Had the Government
applied its mind to the level to which
it would like the princes to adjust
themselves? We are kept in the dark
about all these things. So, we really
do not know what is exactly the
concept of the transitional payment,
what is exactly the concept of the
adjustment to the new levels, because
we do not know what these new
levels are and how^they have been
conceived One could have a
different idea altogether about re-
habilitating some of the small ex-
rulers who get only paltry sums of
money but this is not the occasion for
me to elaborate on that. So, I would
leave it here.

But the one point on which I would
like to reinforce what has been said
by the hon. Member, Shn Joshi, Js
ivith regard to the palaces. Here we
have got certain examples of how
the government have treated these
palaces in a mysterious manner. It
has come to our notice that some of
the palaces of the Maharaja of My-
sore. the ex-Ruler of Mysore, which
had been treated as State property,
is now sought to be treated as pri-
vate property of the ex-ruler. We
have been maintaining these palaces
at a huge cost of about Rs. 1 lakh
annually and yet it is being urged
that they arc to be considered as
private property/ The other day we
were told in the Consultative Com-
mittee by the Home Minister that
this matter has been referred to the
Attorney-General. May I say that
earlier when this matter was con-
sidered by the Government of My-
sore when Shri Veerendra Patil hap-
pened to be the Chief Minister, it
was categorically stated on behalf
of the State of Mysore that they
could not treat this palace as private
porperty. It was also held by Advo-
cate-General of Mysore that they
could not be treated as private pro-

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perty. And yet the Central Govern-
ment informed the State Govern-
ment of Mysore only the other day
that they might be treated as private
property.

So, I would like to urge that these
things, these palaces or, for that
matter, even making jthese payments
as tax-free, we are not able to com-
prehend them fully. If only one palace
is to be given, then we must be fur-
nished an inventory of all the palaces
and told whether some palaces are go-
ing to be treated as State property,
according to the merger agreements,
or some other palaces are going to
be treated as private property accord-
ing to some agreements. These
things have not been shared with

L/*.

However, so far as this measure is
concerned, I would like to say that
we have absolutely no objection to
the consequential amendments that
have been proposed. But the impli-
cations of some of these amendments
have not been clearly made out, and
therein lies our objection. I hope
during the reply the hon. Minister
will try to enlighten us on these
points.

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Sir, as I
said in my opening speech, the Bill
seeks to amend the provisions of
various Acts which are there in view
of the privileges which existed in
favour of the farmer princes. The
hon. Member, Shri Shyamnandan
Mishra is quite right. As I said in
the beginning, a view can be taken
that after the abolition of articles
291 and 362, even though we might
not delete the provisions, the privi-
leges will not be available to the
rulers. But *n matters like this Gov-
ernment thought that the question
should be put beyond doubt and,
even if not necessary, at least these
blots on the statutes books should be
removed, and that is why these
amendments have been proposed.

While all speakers who participat-
ed in the debate supported the mea-
sure, Various questions have been
raised which indeed are no doubt re-
levant, The first question that was
raised by one hon. Member was with
regard to the amendment of the Cri-
jpnal Procedure Code. I have indi-

cated earlier that the situation alter
the abolition of the concept of the
rulership is now so different that
the protection which was given to
the former rulers, who at one time
claimed to be equivalent to foreign
rulers, has no justification to remain
on the statute book. For example, no
prosecution can be launched without
the prior approval of the Central
Government. If they have to prose-
cute, or defend any suit in a court
of law, the Central Government
should provide them assistance.
These are matters which are clearly
out of date after the abolition of
articles 292, 362 and so on. One hon.
Member said that even for offences
which took place prior to 26th Janu-
ary 1950, prior to the commencement
of the Constitution, the immunity,
should not remain. In other words,
after nearly 25 years have gone, if
somebody wants to launch a prosecu-
tion for some alleged offence which
may or may not have been commit-
ted prior to that date, he should have
complete freedom to prosecute the
ruler like any other citizen. Apart
from the fact that even in respect
of ordinary citizens such a stale
prosecution will normally not be en-
tertained by any criminal court, it
was thought desirable that while the
immunity lasted and did last, whe-
ther rightly or wrongly, till the
Constitution came into force, for
acts or omissions which were com-
mited prior to the Constitution com-
ing into force the immunity should
remain and it should not become a
handle in the hands of some people
who might have a grievance for one
reason or another against an indi-
vidual prince to take the matter to
a criminal court for a 25-years old
dispute in a criminal matter. But it
is quite clear that after the 26th
January 1950 there is no protection.
So, if an offence is alleged after
that date, it can be taken to a crimi-
nal court by any citizen and the
rulers will be dealt with as any
other individual citizen, would be
dealt with in a criminal court, after
the passing of this amendment.

With regard to the Civil Procedure
Code some reference was made and
some instances were also pointed
out. If there are disputes pending, I
am sure they must have been pend-

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mg alter the appropriate approval of
the Central Government was ob-
tained under the relevant provisions
of the Civil Procedure Code and those
disputes will certainly go to a civil
court The question is if for 25 years
or so no proceeding in a civil court
has at all been instituted till now,
should we or should we not continue
the immunity in respect of cause of
action which arose prior to 26th
January 1950

The piovision makes quite clear
that if there is a cause of action
after the passing of the Constitution
and of course subject to the law of
limitation of the land, there is no
bar now thete is no immunity now,
foi anv such civil suits being filed
against any former ruler The courts
are open Every litigant will be
free to go against a rulei for any
cause of actio i after the Constitution
came into fo’ce and for that matter
against any one The immunity from
arrest is also taken away There is
no such immunity

Then a lefuence was made to cer-
tain other piovisions like the amend-
ment to the Income-tax Act, the
'.mondment to the Gift Tax Act
ind the amendment to the Wealth
Tax Act As I have pointed out ear-
lier before the passing of the pro-
posed Bill the piovision is that cer-
tain palaces weie exempt from v ealth
tax Now. what is done in respect of
> former rulei who was recognised
before is this After the amendment
of the lelevant definition in the Con-
stitution, article 366 there is no ques-
tion of recognising a new heir or a
successor to such of those who are
dive and who have ceased to be
rulers after the passing of the
n Venty-Sixth Constitution Amend-
ment Act In respect of them only
one residential house has been ex-
empted from the levy of wealth
tax This too has been made appli-
cable during the life-time of the
ruler There is no new ruler now
Such as those who are living will be
having a house and that will be
subject to exemption from the wealth
tax There is no auestion of recog-
nising a successor now There is no
question of anvhodv taking his place
hereafter

With regard to the Gift Tax Act,
the provision is the same. There is
no exemption from Gift Tax For-
merly, if any gift was made from
the privy purse amount, may be to
his relative or to his friend, that
gift was free from gift tax Now, no
gift made from any ex-gratia pay-
ment is free from gift tax and no
gift made from arrears of privy purse
amount which might have been paid
is free from gift tax That exemption
is altogether taken away

With regard to Income-Tax, the
piovision is two-fold There really a
question arise as to the ex-gratia
payment Let me make it clear that
the present Bill does not authorise
er-giatia payments The authority for
payment is not derived from this
Bill The authority for payment Will
come only when the Demands are
considered by the House The argu-
ment was that the House is not con-
sulted The House will certainly be
consulted Unless the House passes
the Demands no payment can be
made at all Therefore, there is no
question of making any payment
without consulting the House

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
But the House must be able to
comprehend the demand

SHRI H R GOKHALE I entirely
agree with you The question comes
when the demand comes for consi-
deration

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
Before that

SHRI H R GOKHALE Whether
it is for Rs 10 crores or whatever it
is certainly, the hon Member will
be entitled to ask the Finance Minis-
ter as to whether there is any ratio-
nal basis or if he wants to say that
the basis is irrational certainly, he
will be entitled to say that So far
as the present Bill is concerned, there
is no authonty to pay All that it
savs is, in the event of a payment
being sanctioned m the appropriate
way by Parliament then the ex -gra-
tia pavments will be free from In-
come-tax

Now it was said why this exemp-
tion from tax Wh*»t is the basic
objective’ If there Is a difference

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opinion on that, then that is a differ-
ent matter. The word “princes” is
such that everybody conceives that
they are very big rulers. But the
reality is that all the rulers are not
big rulers. There are quite a few
who are really small rulers. The
privy purse payments were also very
small. That is why, even at the time
when the Bill was moved in the
House for amending the Constitu-
tion, the Prime Minister said that
we would look at this question not
with any animus against individual
princes. In fact, while it was left to
me to pilot the Bill as subsequqent
stages, at that time, I had also said
that particularly for the smaller
princes, the Government will have
to take into consideration as to whe-
ther some transitional payments
should be made or not. This position
was not left in any doubt.

Now, the question is, if this pay-
ment is to be made, if it is sanc-
tioned by the Parliament, then there
is no point in making the payment
if it is subject to tax The idea is to
enable particularly the smaller rulers
to rehabilitate themselves during the
transitional period and to adjust
themselves to the changed circum-
stances. The payment should not be
in the nature of an eye-wash Then,
there is no point. If the payment is
made and substantial percentage of
it is taken away by the Government,
it is only a payment in name.
It is not a payment in fact to the
ruler concerned and it does not serve
the purpose for which the payment
is sought to be made That is why
only in the event of an appropriate
grant be'ing approved by the House
and a situation arising when ’ Pay-
ment has to be made, then fr.e par-
ticular clause relating to exemption
from tax so »far as these ex-gratia
payments are concerned will operate

It has also been said that while
so much has been done and so much
has been said about rulers for re-
habilitating them or for enabling
them to adjust to changed circum-
stances, nothing has been said in
this Bill with regard to the number
of employees of the ex-rulers. Let me
make it quite clear at the outset
that the Government is not behind
anybody in their concern and in

their sympathy for the employees of
the ex-rulers or at least for such of
those as are likely to lose their jobs
in the changed circumstances. I am
in a position to say that, the matter
is under consideration of the Gov-
ernment. In fact, the State Govern-
ments have been approached and at-
tempts are being made to see that
as many of them as possible are ab-
sorbed in Government service in
their appropriate places, according to
their position, ability and so on and
so forth But it is not understand-
able how a provision with regard to
absorption can be brought in this
Bill. The Bill deals with the aboli-
tion of privileges. An unfortunate
consequence is likely to occur of
which the Government is aware and
the Government is thinking of the
matter and is taking precautions to
sec that some adequate steps are
taken, that the State Governments
do consider the matter sympatheti-
cally Whether it is a question of
unemployment of the employees of
the former rulers or for that matter
other unemployed persons, it is al-
ways the concern of the Government
and the question of the employees of
former rulers cannot escape the
attention of the Government.

Something was also said with re-
gard to heirloom jewellery. What
was said was that this should not
have been done The provision which
obtains before the passing of this
Bill is that prior to the passing of
the Wealth-tax Act, the heirloom je-
wellery of a very few rulers was re-
cognised by the Central Government
and the same was made the basis for
exemption from Wealth Tax Act.
When the Wealth Tax Act came, the
Drovision was that the Central
Board of Direct Taxes under the
rules as framed by the Central Gov-
ernment would be entitled to con-
trol the use, utilisation, disposal, etc.
of the heirloom jewellery and, sub-
ject to these rules, subject to these
controls, the heirloom jewellery of
some of the other rulers might be
recognised. Nearly 25 rulers had ap-
Dlied and the cases of only those who
had applied were Considered by the
Central Board of Direct Taxes, In
their cases, on conditions which were
imposed and which have been laid
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Central Board of Direct Taxes, the
heirloom jewellery was recognised as
free from wealth tax.

The present Bill goes a step fur-
ther. It wants to impose, in the case
of heirloom jewellery recognised by
the Central Government, similar
conditions or, may I say, to a certain
extent, more stringent than the
rules framed by the Central Board
of Direct Taxes under which heirloom
jewellery has been recognised and
exempted from wealth-tax. The result
is that all rulers who had been
claiming exemption from wealth
tax now will be entitled to the ex-
emption subject to the provisions of
this Bill only if they abide by the
conditions and terms which are
given in one of the clauses of the
proposed Bill. For example, there is
control on the disposal, control on
the substantial variations in the na-
ture of jewellery and control over
taking out their jewellery outside the
country and so on and so forth.

There can be no ruler, after the
passing of this Bill, who can be hav-
ing heirloom jewellery without any
kind of control imposed by the Gov-
ernment. Somebody suggested that
these were antiquities and that
Government could take them over.

I might mention that the Anti-
quities Bill has been passed only re-
cently, in this Session. 'Heirloom'
itself means an article which has
come down from generation to gene-
ration- that is the dictionary mean-
ing of heirloom, If such jewellery is
there and if it. is over 100 years old
as the Antiquities law provides, in
appropriate cases, it is still open to
the Government to consider whether
it should be taken over or not The
Drovision here does not prevent the
Government from taking it over: if
it is heirloom which falls within the
definition of 'antiquity' under the
relevant Act passed by the House.

14 hrs.

I would assure the House that the
Bill is in terms of what Govern-
ment had stated when the Constitu-
tion (Twenty-sixth Amendment) Bill
had been passed. It was made clear
even at that time that, while it

was true that the anachronism of
maintaining in this coUBtry a privi-
leged class who went on getting privy
purses without a corresponding func-
tional responsibility should be abo-
lished, Government did not want to
vindictive, did not want to use its
powers to attack the princes who
really deserved some consideration
and who were required to adjust
themselves to changed circumstances.
Therefore, the Bill which has been
brought before the House is in
keeping with the policy of the Gov-
ernment which has been stated be-
fore the House earlier also.

I am sure, wheni the question of
authorising any payment in the na-
ture of ex-gratia comes before the
House, the members are bound to
raise questions and Government is
bound to give clarifications.

With these clarifications, I com-
mend that the Bill be taken into
consideration.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
Mr Deputy-Speaker, may we seek
your guidance now? Yesterday it
was thought that if the discussion
on this Bill preceded the discussion
on the Supplementary Demands, then
probably we would be in a position
to comprehend the Demands with
which we would be confronted. Now
as the hon- Minister has said, this
measure would apply only after the
Supplementary Demand has been
passed Of course, the position is
like that.

We do not know whether this
should have preceded the Supple-
mentary Demand or the Supple-
mentary Demand should have pre-
ceded this measure in order to make
us better informed about this matter.
We retflly do not know. How are we
going to understand the Demand ful-
lv? T) 0 you want us to know from
the Finance Minister when the Sup-
nlementarv Demand comes up for
discussion or would ‘vou like us to
be equipped with information before
we come to discuss the Supplemen-
tary Demand’

MR. DFPTJTY-SPEAKER • There
is no conflict. The present Bill says
that in case there is pv oratia pay-
ment, that payment will be exempt-
ed frem income-tax.

Ruler# ofijlndian AUGUST

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
It would have be«a more logical to
have the Supplementary Demand
fit-st.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In case
there is any ex-gratia payment, whe-
ther the House should agree to a
particular amount for this purpose,
that will be taken up when the
Demand comes before the House.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
We were promised yesterday that,
during the course of the discussion
of this measure, we would be able
to know about the rationale behind
the Supplementary Demand But
that promise is not being fulfilled

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do
not know who has made that com-
mitment As far as I can see. there
is no conflict whatever. This is only
an enabling provision. In case there
is ex-gratia payment, that payment
would be exempted from income-tax:
if there is no ex-gratia payment, the
question will not arise. The question
of ex-gratia payment can be taken
up when the Supplementary De-
mands are brought before the House.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA:
What about the request of the
House to the Chair that the House
must be informed about the basis of
the Supplementary Demand’

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am
sorry, I cannot enlighten you on
this, under what circumstances that
commitment was made As far as
I am concerned — and I am concerned
with this Bill now— I see no conflict
whatsoever.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra):
Suppose tomorrow th£v come up
with a Supplementary Demand for
Rs. 250 crores as ex-gratia payment
to these princes; then this Bill will
permit that amount free of tax? Are
we, as legislators, going to accept
that?

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is
the meaning of this Bill.

The question is:

“That the Bill further to amend
certain enactments conse-

nt, 1972 States (etc. etc.) liitt

quent on derecogpition of
Rulers of Indian States and
abolition of privy purses, so
as to abolish the privileges
of Rulers and to make cer-
tain transitional provisions
to enable the said Rulers to
adjust progressively to the
changed circumstances, be
taken into consideration.” '

The motion was adopted.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now
we take up clause-bv-clause consi-
deration. There is no amendment to
Clause 2.

The question is:

“That Clause 2 stand part of the
Bill ”

The motion was adopted.

('la use 2 was added to the Bill.

Clause 3- (Amendment of Act 5 of
1908)

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU (Naga-
pattinam) - T beg to move:

Page 2, —

tor lines 7 to 23, substitute —
“sub-section (1) shall be
omitted ” (1)

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER- T shall
now put Amendment No. 1 bv Shri
M. Kathamuthu to Clause 3. to the
vote of the House

Amendment No. 1 was put and nega-
tived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER- Now I
will put Clauses 3 and 4. to which
there are no amendments to the
vote of the House

The question is:

“That Clauses 3 and 4 stand part
of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 3 and 4 were added to the

Bill.

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Clause S— {Amendment of Act 27 of
1957.)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There
is one amendment to Clause 5 by
Shri M. Kathamuthu.

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: I beg
to move:

Pages 2 and 3,—

for lines 35 to 44 and 1 to 24,
substitute— “(b) clause (xiv)
shall be omitted.’' (2)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The
amendment given notice of bv Shri
Annasaheb Gotkhinde is barred by
article 117(1) of the Constitution.

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE
(Sanglt): Why, Sir’

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your
amendment involves recommenda-
tion of President under article 117(1)
of the Constitution which has not
been received. Therefore, it cannot
bo moved

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN-
DE: I have asked for it

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It has
not been received.

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN-
DE Am I to be blamed for it’

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do
not know. I am to run the House.
That recommendation has not been
received. It is not before me. I can-
not say anything more.

T shall now put Amendment No 2
bv Shri Kathamuthu to Clause 5 to
the vote of the House

Amendment No. 2 teas put and ne-
gatived.

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The
Question is:

“That Clause 5 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion urns adopted

Clause 5 was added to the Bill.

Clause 6 was added to the Bill.

Clause 7 — ( Amendment of Act 43 of

mi.)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There
is an amendment, No. 3, by Shri M.
Kathamuthu.

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: I beg
to move:

Page 3 —

omit lines 29 to 32. (3)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr.
Gotkhinde, for the same reason men-
tioned by me earlier, your Amend-
ment No. 5 cannot be moved: the
same applies to your Amendments
Nos 7, 8 and 10 Your Amendment
No. 6 can be moved

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN-
DE: I beg to move:

Page 3, line 39, —

for “palace” substitute “build-
ing”. (6)

My Amendment No. 8 is like
Amendment No. 6 . .

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your
amendment involves some alteration,
in the tax-structure and it cannot be
moved unless the President’s recom-
mendation to that effect is received.

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN-
DE: My submission is this. As you
have stated, mv Amendment No. 6

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER- That
does not attract article 117(1) of the
Constitution

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN-
DE: Amendment No. 8 i«s a conse-
quential amendment.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: T can-
not argue with vou on this.

SHRI PILOO MODY : *1 have not
heard what was his submission.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The de-
cision to accept an amendment or
not to accept is for the Chair and
the Chair is not to explain why, at
least in the House.

SHRI PILOO MODY; My only
submission is that the Chair is not
intelligible. If he has a submission,
it must be listened to. That is my
submission.

AUGUST 26, 1972 States {etc, etc,) BUI

RidJifo of Indian

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I
will put amendment No. 3 of Shn
Kathamuthu to clause 7 to vote.

Amendment No. 3 was put and ne-
gatived.

MR. DEPUTYtSPEAKER: Now, I
will put amendment No 6 to the
_ vole of the House. •

Amendment No. 6 was put and ne-
gatived.

SHRI PILOO MODY: Sir, there is
a split in the Congress.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If Mr.
Piloo Mody sometimes derives plea-
sure from that. I do not want to deny
him that.

Now. the question is:

“That clause 7 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion was adopted

Clause 7 was added to the Bill.

Clause 8 (New)

SHRI R. V. BADE (Khargone): I
beg to move:

Page 4,—

after line 18, add—

"8. The Central Government
shall provide maintenance
allowance to the servants of
the Ruler of the State and
shall continue to give the
same pay and allowances to
the servants and staff of the
Ruler and shall give pension
after their, retirement and
all servants and the staff of
a Ruler shall be treated as
Government servants and
this amount shall not be de-
ducted from the ex-gratia
payment of the Ruler.” (11)

Now, that the Minister has said
that the interests of the employees
will be looked after, after the pass-
ing of the Bill, I am not pressing
mv amendment.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Does
the hon. Member have the leave of
the House to withdraw his amende
ment ?

The amendment was. by leave, withr

drawn.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The
question is:

“That clause 1, the Enacting
Formula and the Title stand
part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and
the Title were added to the Bill.

SHRI H R. GOKHALE : I beg to
move:

“That the Bill be passed”.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The

question is:

“That the Bill be passed”.

The motion was adopted.

MR. DEPUEY-SPEAKER; The

Bill is passed.

1414 hrs.

SEEDS (AMENDMENT) BILL

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now
we take up the Seeds (Amendment)
Bill

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY
(Kendrapara): Sir. there is no quo-
rum in the House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let the
bell be rung . . . Now there is quo-
rum The hon. Minister.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL-
TURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P.
SHINDE): I beg to move*:

“That the Bill to amend the
Seeds Act, 1966, be taken
into consideration.”

Seeds constitute a very important
input in agricultural production and
to a very large measure the success
in agricultural production in the last

‘Moved with the recommendation of the President.

Hi Sr< d$ BHADBA 4, 1894 (8 AKA) (Atnendnmit) Bill

lew years can be attributed to the
release and distribution of improvedi
varieties of seeds of many crops and
especially the hybrids of millets like
sorghum, maize, bajra, etc. The Seeds
Act of 1966 was the first legislation
towards the regulation of quality
of seeds. The Act not only provided
for minimum standards for seeds of
certain notified varieties and crops,
but also enables a person to bring
up his seed for certification. The
standards for certified seeds have
been kept higher than those pres-*
cribed for notified seeds sold as seed
material

The State Governments, under the
provision of the Act can establish
certification agencies in their States.
While a number of States have es-
tablished their own certification
agencies, many others have continu-
ed to designate the National Seeds
Corporation as the official seed cer-
tification agency. In the initial stages
the Corporation had to take up cer-
tification as a service function, as it
had the necessary technical exper-
tise and administrative set up. A
certification agency has to be an im-
partial body independent of seed
production, marketing and seed law
enforcement, if it is to gain the con-
fidence of the seed produces and the
farmers. As long as the National
Seed Corporation was the official
certification agency in most States,
a uniform set of standards and Pro-
cedure was adopted. But with State
Governments setting up independent
certification agencies in their States
it i s considered necessary to evolve
suitable methods for ensuring that
the certification standards and pro-
cedures are uniform throughout the
country. This uniformity in the
standards of certain seeds produced
in different parts of the country is
essential as a lot of movement of
seeds takes place across State boun-
daries. It is with a view to achieve
some measure of uniformity in the
standards of certification that the
proposed' amendment is being placed
before the House The proposed
amendment provides for a Central
Statutory Seed Certification Board
which will be able to advise the
'Central and State Governments to

coordinate the functioning of the
Seed Certification Agencies in the
States.

Certified Seeds must be of the
highest quality possible and we are
therefore proposing that under Sec-
tion 9 of the Seeds Act separate
standards for certified seeds can be
fixed. While for any seed notified
under the Act. it will be essential
that it conforms to minimum stand-
ards of germination and purity be-
fore it can be sold as such, it is con-
sidered necessary to make provision
for fixing higher standards in case of
certified seeds. Certification today
as you know is a voluntary process
under the - Act and the provision is
an incentive to the seed producer to
ensure that the seeds have the
highest standards possible of germi-
nation and purity, both physical and
genetic.

In the Bill which is being taken
up for consideration we have there-
fore proposed to provide for higher
standards for certified seeds.

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Sir, I need
not elaborate on the importance of
jute to the country. It is very ne-
cessary to step up the production of
jute and for this jute cultivation
must be taken up with seeds of the
highest quality Under the amending
Bill we propose to bring jute under
the purview of the legislation.

I am sure this House will welcome
the Bill and the efforts being made
bv the Central and State Govern-
ments to assure the farmers seeds of
the highest quality.

I have already* explained the broad
features of this Bill. Hon. Members
will appreciate that there is abso-
lutely no controversy involved in
this Bill. In fact, the seed industry
has come up on modern lines only
quite recentlv and as we are gaining
experience now and agriculture is
developing on modern lines, we find
that it is necessary to have such a
Seed law so that necessary support
to our agriculture is provided by the
Seed industry which is very neces-
sary.

AUGUST 26, 1972 iimndmrt) Bill

[Shri Annasaheb'.P. Shinde]

Therefore, I would make a humble
submission and appeal to the hon.
Members that 'they may pass the
Bill which is not a controversial sub-
ject and I look forward to the unani-
mous support of hon. Members to
this Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion
moved :

“That the Bill to amend the
Seeds Act, 1966; be taken
into consideration”.

There is an amendment by Shri
S. N. Singh. He is not present in the
House. It is not moved. Shri Jaga-
dish Bhattacharyya.

SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHA-
RYYA (Ghatal): This Bill appears
to be very simple in nature. It is
meant for amending only four sec-
tions of the original Act that was
passed in 1966. There is not much
to say about these amendments but
it does not mean that the Bill has
lost its importance.

Seeds of proper quality, fixation of
gradation and determination of in-
trinsic value and worth are all
things which are absolutely neces-
sary to have anything good to he
done in the field of agriculture

A great responsibility develobes
upon the Board which is going to
be constituted under the provisions
of this Bill Here also, T think, the
Board that is going to be constitut-
ed will not be up to the mark. So
far as I think, it is officer-ridden. I
don’t find any justification for includ-
ing a representative of tradesmen on
thi? Board They are called upon to
discharge not only the duties that I
have already mentioned, but also, to
coordinate the activities of the diffe-
rent Boards and Committees that are
hkely to h»e set up in different States.

In Section 2, it has iust now been
mentioned bv the hon Minister that
jute seeds are also included. I cer-
tainly welcome this inclusion, but
one thing still baffles my imagination.

It is stated in the Statement of Ob-
jects and Reasons:

“Opportunity has also been taken
to include jute seeds within
the purview of the Act since
jute is a very important
crop.”

Now, Sir. this Seeds Act was pass-
ed in 1966, that is, 20 years after our
independence and even then the far-
mers of this Act did not think it fit
to include jute seed in it; and now,
it took this Government 25 years to
realise that jute is also, an important
crop and jute seed should also be
brought within the purview of this
Bill, although this crop had been
earning a considerable amount of
foreign exchange during all these
years.

In Section 8(c) it has been men-
tioned •

“No proceeding of the Board or
anv Committee thereof shall
become invalid merely by
reason of the existence of
any vacancy therein or any
defect in the constitution
thereof.”

I don’t find any reason why this ex-
pression ‘any defect in the constitu- 1
tion thereof should be here. Does
the Minister anticipate, that there
will be defects in the constitution of
the Board or Committees? Or should
we presume that the Ministry Itself
is defective’ Whatever it may be, it
has got no place here

Lastly, I would very much emoha-
sise that the Certification of the Seed
bv the Board should be done with
the utmost care. In the present
bureucratic set-up there is every
likelihood of manipulation by inter-
ested parties to have bad seeds cer-
tified as good seeds Our farmers
have got a fair amount of bitter ex-
perience in this regard

So. it should be the duty of the
board to see that really gpod seeds
are easily made available to the
growers, and any slackness or neg-
ligence or carelessness in this regard
will defeat the -very purpose for
which this Bill has been brought
forward

deeds BHADRA i,

SHRI MOHANRAJ KALINGARA-
YAR. (Pollachi) : Mr. Deputy-Spea-
ker, Sir, while supporting this Bill,
namely the Seeds (Amendment) Bill,
1972, I would like to raise some
points.

It is only after 25 years after our
Independence that our Government
have thought of bringing forward
this Bill, and till now, Government
did not realise it. Otherwise, they
would have brought the Bill earlier,
because a large part of our country
has been under agriculture. Agricul-
ture in most parts of India has been
lacking in modern equipment, proper
seeds, proper fertilisers etc. At least
now, I am happy that Government
have taken steps to bring this Bill
to develop good and genuine seeds,
to develop our agricultural products
and to save India from borrowing
food and other agricultural products
from foreign countries.

I am happy that this Bill provides
for the constitution of a Central
Board to certify the purity of seeds.
I am surprised to find that Govern-
ment have included in this Bill jute
seeds. In the Statement of Objects
and Reasons appended to the Bill, it
has been stated that:

‘Opportunity has also been
taken to include jute seeds
within the purview of the
Act, since jute is a very im-
portant crop.”

Their realisation of the Government
has been far too late. I am happy
at least now Government have rea-
lised that jute has some importance
and jute is one of our most impor J
tant commercial crops which earns
a large amount of foreign exchange.
So, I would like to know from the
hon. Minister why this lapse should
have been committed by Govern-
ment. The original Act was passed
in 1966, but it is only now that they
have thought of including jute seed
within the purview of the Act.

Now, I would like to make a few
observations regarding the constitu-
tion of the Central Seed Certifica-
tion Board. We have no objection to

1894 (SAKA) (Amewlw f nf) Bill 86

having this board, but I would like
to request the hon. Minister to have
some representation from the far-
mers' group. Being a farmer, I would
definitely like to be on the board.
Instead of letting the entire thing
to the discretion of Government. I
would request the hon. Minister that
at least some farmers should be on
the board. "

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SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar).
I do not want to take much time of
the House. I have only one point to
make. That is regarding the composi-
tion of the Central Seed Certifica-
tion Board. Clause 3 inserts a new
section 8A to 8E. Item 2(iv) of sec
8A reads:

"thirteen persons to be nominat-
ed by the Central Govern-
ment to represent such in-
terests as that Government
thinks fit, of whom not less
than four persons shall be
representatives of seed pro-
ducers or tradesmen”.

Here Government have not thought
it pioper to include representatives
of producers because the terminology
used is such that producers may not
be given representation at all. This
provision may be properly amended
to give representation to producers
in this newly-formed Board. I hope
Government will do the needful in
this respect.

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MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER; The
hon. Minister. I wonder whether you
can finish before 3. Yoq can continue
on Monday. You can begin now and
continue on Monday. How long will
you take?

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE:
Fifteen minutes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Then
we shall finish this business and
take up the next business later on.

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE:
I am thankful to the hon. Members
of the House for participating in the
discussion on this Bill. Irrespective
of party affiliations all Members who
have participated have broadly sup-
ported this measure, though they
have made some good suggestions for
consideration by my Ministry. I am
really so happy to find that there
is an all round awareness in this
country, particularly among the poli-
ticians and the hon Members of
this House about the need to moder-
nise our agriculture Ours was essen-
tially a backward country and our
agriculture was essentially feudal
agriculture. The need of the moment
is to modernise it and the process
has just been initiated. I am not
trying to say that every problem has
been solved. We have to solve many
problems and the most fundamental
role in the modernisation of agricul-
ture has to be played by seed.

All over the world agriculture is
coming up because of modern inputs
such as fertilisers, agriculture ma-
chinery, soil and water management,
by modern scientific concepts but
the most important element has been
the seed, that is new genetic mate-
rial It is in fact one of the biggest
achievements of science that scient-
ists the world over have succeeded
in evolving new genetic strains. The
Indian scientists have not lagged be-
hind and it is in fact the contribu-
tion of Indian scientists, scientists of
the Indian Council of Agricultural
Research that we are now in a posi-
tion to develop our new seed mate-
rial. It was not enough to develop
it, in laboratories and research sta-
tions. How to ensure production on
a large scale and availability to a
large number of farmers? Swatan-
traji put his finger on the right
point. Certification is all right, seed
law is all right. How would it reach
the millions of poor and middle far-
mers? That was his point. May I
assure Swatantrgji, one of our vete-
rans and great patriots, that it would

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BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) (Amendment) BiU 98

be the endeavour of our Ministry
and the Government of India to see
that in times to come seed reaches
the millions of our farmers. At pre-
sent arrangements are inadequate;
there are a lot of deficiencies We
shall have to make up all these defi-*
ciencies.

15 hrs.

As for the provisions of the Bill,
I am grateful to Shri Darbara Singh
and others for giving compliments
to the Ministry and the Government
for taking some steps to modernise
the seed industry. A suggestion was
made that seeds should be distribut-
ed to the farmers in containers and
there should be no scope for adul-
teration. I should request the hon.
Members to go through the original
Act. It is mentioned there: what is
the germination purity standards. If
a seller contravenes those provisions
he can be dealt with properly; there
are adequate provisions. I now come
to the provisions of this Bill. There
are certification agencies in the coun-
try. Originally this work was done
by the National Seeds Corporation
but we wanted that there should be
greater involvement bv the State
Governments in this matter. We are
a federal Government and a vast coun-
try with different agro-climate con-
ditions. We thought the States should
come up with their seed certification
agencies. Unfortunately this particu-
lar aspect of the work was neglected
and in certain States even the Dis-
trict agricultural officers were en-
trusted with the iob of certifying
seeds This is a highly technical job.
Seed and genetics is one of the most
complicated branches of science andi
it requires a well equipned certify-
ing agency so that it could insist on
certain norms and all that, As a re-
sult of the experience we had, we
felt, there was need to have at the
Centre some agency and therefore
we are setting un ibis central seed
certification board which gives repre-
sentation to various interests.

There was a criticism that it
appeared to be too much dominated
bv officials. I think that in the pro-
visions we have made, onlv four are
officials out of a total of 21 persons.*

There are directors of agriculture
of- various State Governments. The
chairman is to be nominated by the
Central Government. Three are
directors of research in agricultural
universities and thirteen persons will
be representatives of producers and
tradesmen.

Unfortunately I am not happy
with the wording used here; it is too
late now to amend it but the spirit
of it is to have dealers who deal
in seed, because I thought their field
experience might be useful, a dealer
may be a co-operative society or
some Government agency; while
nominating we shall take care to
see that it does represent a cross-
section and it becomes appropriate.
Our interest would be to sqe that
maximum representation is given to
the farmers, producers, etc. Because
it is not right to confine it to four
only. It says here; ... not less than
four. It does not mean that only four;
it can be even thirteen producers.
There need not be any fear that far-
mers would not be adequately repre-
sented on this.

Shri Bhattacharyya said that cer-i
tification should be done with the
utmost care. IThat is the purpose of
this Bill. That is why a Central
agency is being set up. There was
also criticism to the effect that it
took 25 years for the Government to
include jute seed in this law. I am
sorry Shri Bhattacharyya had left.
The Seed Act itself was enacted in
1966, six years ago. At that time due
to some legal interpretations this
could not be done. Now I find that
this has to be done: our seed indus^
try has ’developed now and we are
gradually bringing in ‘various crops
and commodities as far as seed pro-
duction certification was concerned
and we thought that the original
lacuna needs to be removed.

Not that we have neglected the
,iute seed in the past. But this mo-
dern concept of seed is a very recent
one. I am glad that even Shri Bhatta-
charvya did not criticise it. In fact,
he has welcomed it by saying that
government has done the right thing
in including this.

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100

[Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde]

Shri Bade said afti eft

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this and then he left the House. I
hope he did not mean it and made
only a casual remark. Because, the?
seed industry needs to be scientifi-
cally based in this country. So, cer-
tain rigid norms will have to be
lail down and adhered to and implex
mented in practice. The purpose is
to serve the interests of the farmer
and not to trouble the farmer. Many
times we have received complaints
that the seeds distributed to the far-
mers do not germinate and so the
farmers suffer. We want to ensure
that this is not repeated. The pur-
pose of the Board is to ensure better
seeds to the farmer.

The point raised by Shri Darbara
Singh about seed I have already
covered. Regarding the timely avail-
ability of seed, the responsibility for
the distribution of seed is of the State
Governments. The Central Govern-
ment can only help the State Govern-
ment The difficulty is that sometimes
the State Governments approach the/
Central Government for seed at the
eleventh hour. Seeds cannot be pro-
duced overnight. The production pro-
gramme has to be taken up at least
one year earlier. So, there is some
lacuna- We are trying to co-ordinate
the activities of the State Govern-
ments. In fact, in my Ministry I am
discussing how we can get over this
difficulty. This year there were na-
tural calamities in Rajasthan and
original crops have been lost. Last
year there was cyclone in Orissa
floods in other parts of the country.
So, all of a sudden, the States comes
up with a big requirement. There-
fore, the stage has come when the
Government of India has to build a
buffer stock, even if it means sink-
ing a few lakhs of rupees, so that in
times of emergency and natural cala-
mities the farmers do not suffer on
account of the non-availability of
seeds. So the question of availability
of seeds to the farmers is being
given adequate consideration by my
Ministry.

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra said
tg#t the cultivation of hybrid varie-

ties is going down. This is a point
which needs closer examination.
Maize and bajra are some of the
hybrid crops. Unfortunately, they
are not coming up as we wanted
them in the beginning. There is need
to have a little stronger research sup-
port. Bajra, for instance, is suffering
from a disease called ergot. We have
drawn the attention of our scientists
to this problem and they are consi-
dering it.

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra can
rest assured that in India good seeds
are becoming popular. There were
many people in India and abroad
who thought that Indian farmers
would not accept good seeds- It is
not so. Though the National Seed
Corporation came into being only in
1963 and the seeds came into the
market only in 1966, within a period
of seven years the modern concept of
seed has become very popular. I
have every confidence that in times
to come the seed industry and the
modern concept of seed would be-
come more and more popular. I do
not think there will be any diffi-
culty in expanding our seed industry
with good support of this House and
the hon. Members.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (Dia-
mond Harbour): But where is the
water ? Only 60 per cent of the cul-
tivable area is irrigated

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE:
In Bengal, his own State, there is
so much of exploitation of under-
ground water. Crores of rupees are
being spent every year for tapping
underground water This year itself
the West Bengal Government pro-
pose to spend Rs. 20 crores for minor
lmgation. If he accompanies me, I
will show him how programmes are
being taken up there.

I do not want to take more time
of the House I will go into the com-
ments of the hon. Member^ in detail.
If any hon. Member requires any in-
formation, I will furnish it indivi-
dually to him. I am thankful to the
hon. House for giving unanimous
support to this measure.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The

question is:

“That the Bill to amend the

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Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 ( SAKA ) Direct Taxes 102

Enquiry Comm. ( M )

Seeds Act, 1966 be taken into
consideration."

The motion was adopted
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will
take up clause by clause considera-
tion. There is no amendment to clause
2. The question is:

"That clause 2 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion was adopted
Clause 2 was added to the Bill

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: To
clause 3 there are two amendments.
Is Shri Naik moving his amend-
ments?

SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara): In
view of the clarifications given by
the hon. Minister, I do not want to
move them.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Then I
will put all the clauses to the vote
together. The question is:

“That clauses 3 to 5, clause 1. the
Enacting Formula and the
Title stand part of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted
Clauses 3 to 5, clause 1, the Enacting
Formula and the Title were added
to the Bill.

SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE:

I move:

“That the Bill be passed.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The
question is:

“That the Bill be passed.”

The motion was adopted

1512 hrs.

MOTION RE: FINAL REPORT OF
THE DIRECT TAXES ENQUIRY
COMMITTEE.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we
take up the motion of Shri Jyotir-
moy Bosu.

“That this House do consider the
Final Report of the Direct
Taxes Enquiry Committee,
laid on the Table of the
House on the 20th March,
1972.”

for which three hours have been al-
lotted.

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY (Re-
nd rapara) : The time may be expend-
ed.

SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU (Dia-
mond Harbour) ; I beg to move :

“That this House do consider the
Final Report of the Direct
Taxes Enquiry Committee,
laid on the Table of the
House on the 20th March,
1972.”

Let us start with the birth of this
Committee and why it came into ex-
istence. On the 19th of December, 1969
in Rajya Sabha a resolution was
moved which reads:

“This House is of the opinion
that Government should con-
stitute a committee consist-
ing of experts and Members
of Parliament to go into the
failure of Central Board of
Direct Taxes. Ministry of
Finance, in the timely col-
lection of taxes and to sug-
gest remedial measures for
improving the same.”

Accordingly, this Committee was
constituted by a resolution dated 2nd
March, 1970 by the Government. I
will not go into the details of the
resolution just now. The object of
this Committee is quite clear from
what I have read out. But how the
Government has ran away, escaped
from the issue, that I shall narrate
slowly. If we go to an ancient book,
the Indian Tax Reform, Report of A
Survey by Professor Kaldor, it says
at page 105:

“The total of assessable incomes
in all sectors outside agricul-
ture comes out at almost ex-
actly twice the assessed in-
come. *No significances atta-
ches to this "precise figure,
but it receives some confirma-
tion from the fact that in the
only sector in which the
figures of income distribution
are based on relatively solid
material— in mining and fac-
tory industry, and where al-
most the whole of the acti-
vity is carried on by compa-
nies and hence income is
not subject to an exemption
limit— the ratio is also 2;1,

103

Hepofiof AUGUST 26, 1972

[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu],

If these figures are anywhere
near the truth, the amount
of income tax lost through
tax evasion is more of the
order of Rs. 200—300 crores
than Rs. 20 — 30 crores which
is sometimes quoted in this
connection.”

This relates to the Buciget of 1956-57
of the Finance Minister. The Gov-
ernment at that particular time had
been talking of evasion to the tune
of Rs. 20—30 crores. But the eminent
professor had very rightly pointed
out that the evasion was to the tune
of Rs. 200—300 crores. And this re-
port wonderfully tallies with what
Shri Rangnekar said in the note of
dissent and also in regard to certain
portions of the Wanchoo Committee
Report.

The final Report of the Wanchoo
Committee says:

“As regards the extent of tax

evasion, we find that the

average rate of tax cm the
income assessed for 1965-66
was around 25 per cent. But
considering that the size of
the problem of black money
and tax evasion has grown
over the years and tax eva-
sion is more widely practised
at higher levels of income,
it would be appropriate to
adopt the rate of tax appli-
cable to evaded income of
not less than 33 1/3 per
cent for 1968-69. On this
basis, the extent of income-
tax evaded during 1968-69
would be of the order of Rs.
470 crores, being one-third of
Rs. 1,400 crores. The money
value of deals involving
black lpcome may, therefore,

be not less than Rs 7,000

crores for 1968-69 . .”

These are revealing facts.

Then, the economist member in
the Committee in his note of dissent
has pointed out.

“My exercise which is based on
a detailed analysis of expen-
diture statistics for the
different sectors of the eco-
nomy would seem to suggest
that the tax-evad6d income
in 1961-62 was of the order

liirect Taxes lOi
Enquiry Comm. (M)

of Rs. 1,150 crores as com-
pared to the estimate of Rs.
811 crores mentioned m para
2.17 of the main report. For
1965-66, my estimate of
“black money” is of the
order of Rs. 2,350 crores as
against Rs. 1,216 crores men-
tioned in the report. It is
not my claim that my esti-
mates are absolutely accu-
rate, but I think, they pro-
bably approximate more to
the realities. Estimates of
black income sector-wise are
given below in respect of
the year 1965-66: —

Industrial Sector — Rs. 677
crores.

Trade, transport, etc — Rs-
975 crores.

Construction — Rs. 262 crores.

Films, professions and other
services — Rs. 439 crores.”

The Directorate of „ Inspection (Re-
search, Statistics and Publications)
has said that for 1961-62 alone, Rs.
811 crores was the amount which
escaped tax. Other figures are equally
staggering.

Then, I quote from Economic and
Political Weekly which gives very
useful figures:

“As may be observed from Table
1. during all the years from
1951-52 to 1964-65, the non-
farm household income asses-
sed to income-tax rarely ex-
ceeded one-third of the act-
ual assessable income (i.e.
the actual income accruing
to the high-income house-
holds). In other words, about
two-third of the non-farm
assessable income gets con-
cealed from the taxation au-
thorities.

It follows, therefore, that the
actual incidence of direct
taxation on the non-farm
high-income household group
is much smaller than what
the income-tax data reveal.

Then, there is Table 1 given with
different columns. I take only one
year, that is, 1964-65 because time
at my disposal is short Non-farm
Household income— Rs. 9,452 crores;
Non-farm Household income appro*

105

106

Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SARA) Direct Taxes

priated by High income groups— Rs.
3,904 crores. Income Assessed to In-
come-tax— Rs. 1,229 crores; Tax as-
sessed — Rs. 152 crores; Income Asses-
sed to Tax as percentage of Non-farm
Household Income— Rs. 13 crores; In-
come Assessed to Tax as percentage
of Income of High Income Groups—
Rs. 31.5 crores; Tax Assessed as Per-
centage of Income Assessed — Rs. 12.4
crores; etc. etc.

These are very revealng figures
and should act as in eye-opener to
people who really give their mind
to this problem.

This morning, the Indian Express
gives a very beautiful cartoon drawn
by our respected friend from the
Rajya Sabha, Mr. Abu It says:

“When does black money become
White?—

When it is wrapped up in Khadi!”

I could not agree with it more.
This is how really it is working.

Then, I go to avenues of black
money. I have called this final Re-
port to be a report written under
duress, under pressure. So, we do
not agree with most of the things
this report says. The interim report
was the genuine report.

It says:

“It is also spent in purchasing
illegally quotas and licences
at jpremia, financing secret
commissions, bribes, litiga-
tions, etc. giving ‘on-money’
in business transactions, buy-
ing industrial peace, financ-
ing election expenses and
giving donations to political
parties. Black money is also
utilised in call deposits, bo-
gus hundi loans, etc etc.”

I will not go into all the details.

Then, there is another quotation
which I would like to give from the
Economic and Political Weekly. It
is an article written by an eminent
professor Dandekar. It says:

"When the big businesses jump
the hurdles placed in their
expansion path, they usually
shed part of the black money
they accumulate by evasion
of taxes. The fall out is col-
lected and shared by the
bureaucrats and the politi-

Enquiry Comm. (M)

dans working in close coope-
ration. It seems that the
ruling party or parties re-
gard big business as a milk-
ing cow to be milked at will.
It is not without significance
that when recently the Con-
gress Party decided to build
an Indira Bhavan in Delhi
worth a, crores of rupees, the
Congress Chief Ministers sub-
scribed on the spot funds
amounting to several lakhs
of rupees; they could not
have done this without know-
ing the vaults of black
money . . .”

So, the Indira Bhavan should be
named as “Black Bhavan”. Further,
it says:

“This private understanding bet-
ween the ruling party and
the big business is the se-
cond or probably the first
major obstacle on the road
to socialism . . .”

Again, it says:

‘ The scramble for election tic-
kets and later for office sug-
gests that all offices from
top to bottom, in the Union
Cabinet, in State cabinets, in
Zila Parishads and Panchayat
Samities are offices of profit
and bring' in direct and in-
direct profits sufficient to
compensate more than ade-
quately the expenses of
election . ... Furthermore,

some of the sitting members
of the ruling party who
could not be accommodated
in the cabinets arc given
suitable remunerative jobs on
Committees. Commissions and
ptlblic sector corporations;
in fact, the latter are looked
upon by the ruling party es-
sentially as providing need-
ed opportunity for this pur-
pose . . .”

I am ashamed to read this. But this
is what the fact is.

T quote further:

“Once the big business jvns in
the election efforts, it does not
leave the ruling party during its
tenure it asks for

the quid pro quo and gets

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[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ]

it ..... It explains the hold
Of the big business over the
government in spite of its
socialist professions and pro-
testations. So long as this
hold continues undiminished,
there 'is no chance of makmg
any genuine progress along
the socialist path ... .It has
been rightly said that at the
bottom of the present liaison
between the big business and
the ruling party lies the re-
gulatory and licensing proce-
dures by means of which the
government tries to control
big business. This offers the
meeting ground between the
two and the result is that the
big money wins and it ends
up in big business controlling
the government. Hence, to
break this power of big busi-
ness over the government, it
is suggested that it would be
advisable for the government
to give up its eflorts to con-
trol the big business . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Almost
whole of your speech is made up of
this article.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Then,
the Monopoly Inquiry Committee Re-
port says:

“We are bound to mention here
in this connection that the
considerable assistance that
some of the leading industria-
lists in the country had given
to the ruling party from time
to time has furnished
ammunition for the attack.
The big business is hand in
gloves with the party in
power. The fact that such
assistance has been liberally
given at the time of the last
General Elections has been
admitted by the Government
in a statement in parlia-
ment. But people cannot be
blamed if they believe that
it is the hope of favours
that induces such payment
and after the.election is over,
businessmen try their best to
see that the ‘investment’
by them bring satisfactory
return.”

Enquiry Comm. (M)

Three days ago is was revealed in
the Rajya Sabha that ten big busi-
ness houses, in the course of the
last five years, had accumulated ex-
tra wealth ranging between 25 and
75 per cent. Mafatlal had made 75
per cent in the course of five years.
Now compare that with our indus-
trial growth. When the industrial
growth was next to nothing, how
was these industrialists’ wealth swel-
ling, wo want to ask them. It is
perhaps because they have been al-
lowed to siphon out their wealth
that they generated from the indus-
tries into the corridors of blind
alley, and that is why we could not
see them.

Wanchoo Committee’s final report
is a dictated report. I disagree with
many of the things that they have
said. The interim report which was
written suo moto. on their own, with-
out pressure, in fact, has been the
real report. ‘Regulation of donations
to political parties’, we do not agree.

SHRI K N. TTWARY (Bettiah):
On a point of order He is saying that
the final report is dictated one. By
this he is misleading the House Has
he any proof? Without any proof,
how can he say that?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This
side of the House can contradict him.
There is no point of order in this.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: “Allo-
wance of certain business expenses —
Entertainment Expenses and Expen-
ses on Maintenance of Guest Houses”
—we do not agree. ‘Reintroduction
of Expenditure Tax’ — we disagree.
These are things with which we do
not quite agree.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul): Let
him indicate the basis on which he
feels that the final report was not
written on the volition of the Com-
mission and that only the interim
report was written by them. Are
there any inconsistencies?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is up
to him.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am
making the speech and not Mr.
Salve ( Interruptions ) I want to ask
the Government whv is it that they
did not give remedies to plug the

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loopholes ior generation of black
money. You will not find them any-
where in the final report because it
was written under duress.

I have a Memorandum which has
been given by Class II ITOs. They
have made very valuable sugges-
tions:

“It has been seen from experi-
ence that mere lowering the
effective rate of taxation
failed to generate an atmos-
phere in which the assessees
would reveal their income
truly and deliberately. If such
would have been the case,
Voluntary Disclosure Sche-
mes could have been success-
ful in bringing out the con-
cealed income to tax net."

Tt also says:

“Though there is a proposal for
capital levy at a very lower
rate, the Committee while
exhorting much on reduction
of rate of taxation should
have also put on record that
the Corporate Sector, unlike
the individuals, enjoys the
immunity from incidence of
Wealth Tax which is much
higher on individuals than
the proposed capital levy.”

Such things have been said T go to
the next point.

“Thus it is envisaged that the
Committee has recommended
for (1) two types of functions
and responsibilities but (2)
prescribed three classes of
officers, viz., Class II, Class
I (Junior) and Class I (Se-
nior) From this one may see
how absurd and paradoxical
the recommendations are.
Firstly, when the iob and
responsibility of Class I
(Junior) and Class II officers
is one and the same, why
should there be two classes
of officers?

It is. needless to point out that
the Committee has tried to
draw an artificial class dis-
tinction — a legacy of the oast
and a colonial hangover."

This is all that I want to sav in con-
nection with this. Class II ITOs are

the backbone of the revenue struc-
ture, and, therefore, this discrimina-
tion and injustice is very much un-
warranted.

The final report makes a mention
of a very important thing. (Interrup-
tions).

“After detailed deliberations and
careful consideration of the
valuably suggestions offered
by them, we are still fully
convinced about the efficacy
and feasibility of the mea-
sures recommended by us in
the interim report.”

But what is the interim report? The
final report is absolutely silent on
that. On 12th November, 1970 the
Wanchoo Committee had submitted
an interim report. It was the most
eventful day in this matter. But what
happened? Shrimati Indira Gandhi
was the Finance Minister at that
time; she not only did not imple-
ment the recommendations, but sup-
pressed the whole thing. Even the
Cabinet Ministers were kept in the
dark because quite a few of them
took copies from me; they did not
know what was the interim report
of the Wanchoo Committee. A team
of officials consisting of two Secre-
taries of the Ministry of Finance and
the Reserve Bank Governor was sent
to the Wanchoo Committee to pres-
surize, to say. ‘Withdraw and des-
troy the interim report’. The Com-
mittee did not surrender to their
pressure, but they accepted one re-
quest that, in the final report, they
would not make a mention of the
contents of the interim report That
is why. today, you see in the final
report that there is no mention about
the contents of the interim report.

Mr. Y. B. Chavan. on 10th August,
had said in this 'House:,

“I will sav why we have not pub-
lished the interim report. An
interim report by nature is
such that it can be publish-
ed before the main report is
published! Now when the
main report is published,
the interim report as such
has lost its value.”

These utterances are as baseless as
the Finance Minister himself. Other-
wise. clearly and categorically— I
have just now quoted— how can he

Ill IteporU AUGUST

[Shn Jyotirmoy Bosu]

say this? The Finance Minister had
the courage to mislead the House by
saying that the interim report had
lost its value once the final report
which contains very little has been
published.

AN HON. MEMBER: Which Fi-
nance Minister do you refer to?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Mrs.
Indira Gandhi primarily. There is
only one Minister to my mind. . .
(Interruptions).

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): He is mix-
ing up the whole thing. He says he
is intelligent. . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Let
both of us go for IQ test and see.

( Interruptions ) I had regards for Mr.
Ganesh, and when some members
talked about his arrogance, I tried
to dispute it. But it is becoming too
much at times. He is trying to carry
coal to New Castle Let him not
prove that he is too big for his boots.

SHRI K. R. GANESH: My point is
this. Let him talk about the Prime
Minister. But when he says that the
Prime Minister was the Finance
Minister when this report was sub-
mitted, I am objecting to that.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He was
referring to two things, when the re-
port was submitted and what the
present Finance Minister said . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; What
Mr. Chavan said, I approve of, Sir.
This is what the Final report says
at page 12. I quote:

“After detailed deliberations and
careful, consideration of the
valuable suggestions oldered
by them, we are still fullv
convinced about the efficacy
and feasibility of the mea-
sures recommended bv us in
the interim report.”

So. Sir, who will decide what is
right and what is wrong? Who will
decide what should be accepted and
what should not be accepted? You
talk about democracy. You were a
garb of democracy. It reminds me of
what our great leader Engel said

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once. Here is the executive which is
supreme. Democracy is nothing but
a garb. Sir, this is August House and
this morning I heard that our
honourable Speaker was born in the
month of August: Mr. S. M. Baner-
jee was also born in the month of
August, everything is August, but
when it comes to taking a decision*
formulating a policy, they are left
to the executives This democracy is
nothing but a garb, nothing but a
misleading to the common man. I
will quote this most precious docu-
ment which they had given. I thank
them for these recommendation^
made in their interim report. They
said :

“We decided therefore to address
ourselves ...”

Mark the date. 12th November, 1970;
don’t lose sight of the date. . .

“. . to the task of making an
interim report on matters
which called for urgent re-
medial action and could not
wait until our final report.”
They did not realise that two elec-
tions were coming and some-
body wanted lot of money
for them . • . Then they said :

“One subject which we felt
needed immediate attention
was that of ‘black money’ as
it has been eating into the
vitals of our economy ”

Then the report says about parallel
economy Then it says:

“After careful consideration we
have come to the conclusion
that some radical steps will
have to be taken immediately
if the problem is to be
tackled effectively. In this
interim report, we therefore,
recommend the following
three measures:—

(1) Demonetisation;

(2) Ceiling on cash holdings;
and

(3) Acquisition of immovable
property in case of under-
statement of purchase con-
sideration.”

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Then the report says. I quote:

“We, therefore, suggest, that al-
though the last two mea-
sures are meant to be of a
permanent nature, they
should be brought on the
statute book without undue
delay.”

So, Sir, the primary recommenda-
tion on the 12th of November 1970
by this high-powered and eminent
committee was, immediate demoneti-
sation. Sir, Mrs. Gandhi survives on
black-money; her politics lives on
black-money Therefore, the report
was not only implemented but
it was suppressed for an year and a
half. In the interim report they said :

“We felt that it would be only
appropriate if, subject to
adequate safeguards, the De-
monetisation measures is
utilised also to collect at
least nart of the arrears of
tax that mav be due from
those who tender the demo-
netised notes for exchange.”

Then it is stated:

“That first question that needs
consideration is the deno-
minations of the currency
notes which should be de-
monetised. It is understood
that the break-up of the
notes issued, as at the end
of June, 1970, was as follows

SHRI C M STEPHEN (Muvattu-
puzha) : I rise on a point of order.
The House is considering the final
report of the Direct Taxes Enquiry
Committee laid on the Table of the
House on the 20th of March, 1972.
That document is now before us.
My learned friend is dwelling at
length on some other document, that
is, the interim report. He is making,
lot of allegations also. All I ask for
is, his speech on the introduction of
the motion has got to be relevant to
the document which we are to dis-
cuss. I am only pointing out this;
thing because no observation is made 1
by hon Member with respect to
any of the observations in the final

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report or its recommendations. Ho
makes all sorts of allegations. We on
this side were keeping quiet in spite
of the wild allegations he made that
the Prime Minister is existing on
black money and all that in the hope
that the Member would be called
to order I am only requesting that
the Member must be directed to be
relevant, discussing the mater which
is in the final report, not in the in-
terim report ( Interruptions ).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order
please. Let me understand him first
you have understood his point of or-
der. I have not. Please sit down.
Mr. Banerjee- I have not replied. I
am trying to seek clarification from
him. I am not replying, order please.
What is the point of order; what is
it that you want? ( Interruptions ).
Mr. Salve, if his point of order and
not yours

SHRI C M. STEPHEN : The point
of order is this. Sir, that the speech
has got to be relevant in this sense
that it must pertain to the specific
document which is mentioned here

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No, if
it is just a general question of rele-
vancy, it is rather difficult to contain
that, but if you jhave any specific
thing whore he is irrelevant, then
only I can give my opinion on that.

SHRI C M STEPHEN: May I ex-
plain it. Sir? The point is this- My
learned friend has now specifically
quoted the interim report and he is
proceeding to speak on the interim
report.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now I
understand it. Your point is that the
interim report here is irrelevant;
that is your point. That is your main
contention .

SHRI C. M STEPHEN: Yes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now,
the difficulty is that the final report
itself has made mention of the in-
terim report. That is the difficulty.
(Inici ruptions) I have given my
ruling.

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115 RepoQof AUGUST

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir,
how much time is wasted by this
frivolous point &i order, you may
kindly see.

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Sir, I have
one submission. In the notice that
the hon. Member gave and also in
the submission he made here, he re-
ferred to two Financf Ministers. He
is trying to bring . . .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You
made that point be.fore, I know . . .

SHRI K. R. GANESH: It is very
important. Sir. He is referring to the
Prime Minister having prevented the
publication of this report and having
sent some officers and all that. The
Prime Minister was not the Finance
Minister when the interim report
was submitted. This is all that I
want to sav.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That,
in fact, amounts to adding fuel to
the fire Is there any Member in this
honourable House who would dis-
pute the fact that in Government of
India since the middle of 1969 there
is more than one Minister 7 In the
ruling patty is there more than one
leader? And, decision had to be
taken by. (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order
please. The main point is this. The
hon. Minister’s contention is that the
Prime Minister was not the Finance
Minister at the time when this in-
terim report was alleged to have
been sent to the Government.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I
maintain this. Sir. Let it go on re-
cord — I maintain that honourable
Shrimati Indira Gandhi the Prime
Minister and once upon time, the
Finance Minister was wholly respon-
sible for suppressing this report. I
am putting it on record. Mr. Ganesh,
while giving his reply, may reply
to my point. I am pointing out what
this important learned body has
said :

“We are fully aware of the not
too successful results of de-
monetisation in 1949; yet we
are confident that this mea-
sure, if introduced now

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would achieve substantial re-
sults because of altered cir-
cumstances."

It says:

“It incorporates a number of safe-
guards such as imposition of
ceiling on cash-holdings,
stamping and signing of
books of accounts and prompt
examination of declarations
by the Income-tax Depart-
ment."

It savs further:

“The first question that needs
our consideration is the de-
monetisation of the currency
notes which should be de-
monetised. It is understood
that the break-up of the'
figures . ■ ”.

The bulk of the currency ifi in
Rs Ififi-notcs and Rs. 10-notes.

Mil DEPUTY-SPEAKER: My
difficulty is that most of the hon.
Member’s speech is made up of
quotations which are lengthy.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; I al-
ways like to use their own stick to
hit them with. Tha.t is my way of
doing things.

I would not take much time now,
because I have more or less deliver-
ed what was in my pocket. Now, I
come to Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan.
We saw the Delhi press coming out
with a lead article ‘Government de-
cided on imposition of ceiling on
possession of cash to the tune of
Rs. 5,000’. That was the indication
that Government gave When the
pressure was too severe, public opi-
nion started forming. The country
has known what the Government
have done with this vital recommen-
dation, and how they have played
fool with the Parliament and the
people They immediately came with
a shock-absorber. The entire Press
Information Bureau was mobilised to
give a story which would act as a
buffer- So, this came out. But Shri
Yeshwant’-ao Chavan could not even
bear that. Soon. He somersaulted and
said that too could not be done.

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1 now say in view of what I have
stated already today and on previous
occasions that the country demands
that the interim report of the Wan-
choo Committee must be implement-
ed in toto; there should be ceiling
on cash, possession of cash, jwellery
and other precious items. Therei
should be screening of lockers and
vaults and for each bank account,
where there is more than a certain
amount of money, it must be tagged
with the income-tax number that
has been given. The entire operation
should be simultaneously conducted
on one single day. I can assure the
Government that if they really wish
to take the bull by the horn, there
is no way out to take drastic mea-
sures and save this country from a
complete peril, instead of looking
after their political, coterie and
party interests to remain entrench-
ed in power.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion
moved :

“That this House do consider
the Final Report of the
Direct Taxes Enquiry Com-
mittee, laid on the Table of
the House on the 20th March,
1972:’

DR V K R VARADARAJA RAO
(Bellaiy): I do not know if 1 really
could go into all the political pole-
mics which my hon friend Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu has indulged fn.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is
because of his Prime Minister.

DR. V- K R, VARADARAJA
RAO: I am really surprised that
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu should speak
of the Prime Minister all the time;
the Prime Minister seems to be so
much fixed on his mind that every
time anything is mentioned, he feels
he must come back to the Prime
Minister.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BCkSU: Who
else is- there?

DR. KAILAS (Bombay South): He
is allergic to her.

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: I am prepared to suggest to
the Prime Minister tha* the Prime

Minister may give him an interview
so that he could tell her all that he
has to tell her about her and then
stop talking about her in this House.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But
I have not sought an interview; I
may not have the desire to have an
interview with her.

DR. V. K. B R. VARADARAJA
RAO: I only want to say that what
I was really expecting, since Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu, of course, is a very
distinguished member of the Com-
munist Party-Marxist., and leader of
one of the Opposition groups, I be-
lieve, was this. I thought that he
was also a student of economics and
has had practical experience of eco-
nomic affairs. I was expecting, there-
fore, when he initiated the discus-
sion on this motion, while, of course.,
he would spent a little time on his
political an^le, which was natural,
he would spent at least some time
on the more important economic as-
pects of the Wanchdo Committee’s
report I am really sorry that he has
not chosen to do so.

The main point that he has made
is about demonetisation He has left
out everything else and he has pick-
ed out only this recommendation
from what he calls the interim re-
port. There is no doubt that the
Wanchoo Committee has in its final
report reiterated its adherence to its
previous interim report. Shri Jyotir-
moy Bosu has from some source
known to himself got a copy of the
alleged interim report and I think
he has placed it on the Table of the
House and he has been quoting from
that in extenso and has made a plea

for immediate demonetisation.

•

I would like to suggest to this
House that demonetisation is not a
remedy which one can take up in a
lighthearted fashion Further, that
is not the kind of remedy which is
taken up on the recommendation of
a committee consisting of officials,
non-officials and so on Demonetisa-
tion is a kind of decision, if and
when it comes, which will be taken
by Government only on the basis of
the thinking and advice confined
within the precincts of Government,

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which are subject to all the various
secrecy and other clauses which gov-
ern the functions of such Government
officials and Ministers. If, for exam-
ple, there was some kind of hyper-
inflation that the country had where
we would have to change the cur-
rency, by all means, one could have
demonetisation. *

We had demonetisation some time
back. But that related to Rs. 1000 j
notes- I believe we arc all aware of
what happened at that time. I at
least happened to be a resident of
Delhi city at that time. Even the de-
monetisation of Rs. 1000-notes creat-
ed a considerable amount of confu-
sion in the market. Rs. 1000-notes are
usually held by a very small num-
ber of people, may be, the kind of
people that Shri Jyotirmov Bosu
is showing such a verbal aversion
for. But the kind of demonetisation
which he has asked for, quoting
from the alleged report, is not only
for Rs 100-notes but for Rs. 10-notes.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; They
have given the statistics also.

DR. V K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: It is not a question of statis-
tics I would like to submit that we
should remember that we all repre-i
sent the country. After all, we are
a responsible House. We represent!
large numbers of people from all
parts of the country. Demonetisation
of Rs. 100-notes is bad enough- But
according to what he has stated, and
according to the document that has
been placed on the Table of the
House, demonetisation of Rs. 100-
notes will not do. It is a package
deal. It has got to ,be Rs. 100-notes
plus Rs. 10-notes.

If Rs. 10-notes are to be demone-
tised, I do not think that it is neces-
sary for me to elaborate in any
length on the numbers of people who
will be affected all over the country.
It will not affect just the black-
marketeers, caoitalists and political
contribution-wallahs, to whichever
party they may make contributions,
hut it will affect large numbers of
peasants, of industrial workers, of

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primary school teachers, of ordinary
labourers and so on . . .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU:- They,
will be hoarding black money?

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: 1 hope Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu
would not like to be quoted outside
this House as suggesting that every-
body who holds a Rs. 10 note is a
hoarder of black money . • .

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But
how much 7 A primary school tea-
cher cannot think of it.

DR V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: 1 think that my hon. friend,
if he wants, can be reasonable. I
would request him not to interrupt,
and 1 am sure he will respect my
request.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I
would

1)R V. K. R VARADARAJA
RAO: I am not at the moment
going into the economics of demone-
tisation as such. But the question is
one of demonetisation of Rs. 10-notes.
Somebody was asking by way of in-
terjection why the interim report
was not published. First of all. I
was rather shocked that an interim
report of that kind should have been
submitted by them- I do not know
what the terms of reference were
which made possible such a recom-
mendation to be made. But in any
case a recommendation of this type
is usually made very secretly and
once the recommendation is made, if
it is accepted and it is immediately
executed, there is no long time-inter-
val between the two.

Demonetisation is something like
devaluation. You do not have official
committees recommending devalua-
tion and afterwards Government con-
sidering it and then coming forward
with devaluation. If I may sav so.
the interim report must not have
been released, because there was no
intention of accepting that .particular
recommendation But to come back
to mv main eoint regarding demone-
tisation of Rs. 10-notes. I suggest
that, if that is done, confusion will

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be caused in the economy, and all
the villages will be affected. Out of
the 500,000 villages, there would at
least be 300,000 to 350,000 villages,
where some people will have Rs. 10-
notes. I do not want to elaborate on
the nature of the people who will be
having such Rs. 10-notes, such as
petty shopkeepers and others. Of
course, you may say that immediate-
ly they will get substitute notes and
they can go to a bank. But how
many banks are there in the villages,
with all this nationalisation and
everything else? I think there are
only about 10,000 branches including
the ones that have recently been
opened The people who were hold-
ing Rs. 1000-notes at least knew
something about currency, but take
the case of the common man who
may hold Rs. 10-notes; if that gets
demonetised, consider the amount of
confusion and loss of confidence in
the currency and the kind of break-
down in the economy that would
take place at a time such as we are
facing in the country’s economy to-
day, which would be most nndesir-i
able, from the point of view of the
safeguarding of the economy.

So I would strongly resist the re-
commendation that there should be
demonetisation of one hundred and
ten rupee notes and any demoneti-
sation of anything lose than that will
not serve the purpose for which de-
monetisation was intended bv the
person who has recommended it

Then I would also like to point out
one thing One seems to be under*
the impression that black money
iust stavs somewhere staying con-
stant . Rs 5.000 crorcs, Rs. 6,000
crores, Rs 7.000 crorcs of black
monev Black monev transactions
could have been in terms of these
thousands of crores of rupees. But
a great deal of this black money has
now become either solidified into
bnildin" land, iewdlerv. gold etc.

etp or transformed info white money

ip manv eases. Therefore, it seems
te mo that iust hv saving that this
demonetisation is hict to hold
nf seme ouantitv of unauthorised
m^n«v for the nurnose nf nrpyenting
black money and preventing all the

scries of effects that black money is
having on the economy is like using
a kind of axe to try and kill a fly
on one’s nose.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Rs.
7,500 crores.

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA
RAO: Shri Bosu has allowed him-
self to interrupt me and say Rs. 7,000
crores. I am prepared to take a bet
— silly on mv part; but I am prepar-
ed to be silly — that Rs. 7,000 crores
will not be the unclaimed money.
How do you account for the black
money? Black money will be when
the notes are not claimed. They are
not claimed because of the conse-
quences that will follow- Now where
do vou have Rs. 7,000 crores? The
total volume of currency in circula-
tion is not 7,000 crores.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I said
black wealth.

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: He was talking of black
money and demonetisation. Now he
talks of black wealth, which is some-
thing quite different. We are talk-
ing of demonetisation and black
currency

Therefore, I would most respects
fully suggest that demonetisation on
the scale— and the only possible
scale on which it can have any effect
—which he has suggested would be
very deleterious to the interests of
the economy, will not serve the pur-
pose for which it is intended and
will, on the contrary, cause a great
deal of upset to the entire working
of the economic structure, and this
too at a time when we cannot afford
to have such interruptions to the
smooth recover^ of the # economy.

At the same time, L do not want)
to ignore the phenomenon. There is
the fact of black monev operating.
We know a number of things are
bought in terms of accountable
monev accompanied bv what is call-
ed unaccountable monev. I would
lik* to descend from polemics and
get down to some constructive sug-
gestions— what T hope to be cons-
tructive suggestions — for the consi-
deration of Government in relation to

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the Wanchoo .Committee Report. 1
would mafiie a series of suggestions.
First, I want to deal with that the
suggestion made by Shri Bosu,
based on what he calls the interim
report, for a ceiling on cash hold-
ings. Quite honestly, I do not un-
derstand how it isj| possible to en-
force a ceiling on cash holdings.
To have a ceiling on cash holdings
means that every person becomes
suspect. It is not a question of
raiding A, B, C or D. I do not think
> a ceiling on cash holdings is a
remedy for blackmarketing or for
preventing the use of currency for
purposes other than legitimate. What
I would like to suggest is that what
we want is to stop payments in cash
over a certain minimum amount.
Because the root of the black money
comes when you pay in cash for
something for which you need not
pay in cash. You have to pay in
cash for things worth Rs 10, Rs. 20,
Rs. 40, Rs. 50, Rs. 90, Rs. 100. But
when you have to buy a car for
Rs. 25,000, you do not have to pay in
cash; when you have to buy a refri-
gerator for Rs. 2,500, you do not have
to pay in cash. And if I may say so.
if you buy an airlines ticket, it will
not be necessary for you to pay for!
that in cash.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra):
Find out from Indian Airlines.

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA
RAO: I do not know what Shri
Piloo Mody docs with his airline
ticket; I am not referring to him;
I can assure him I was certainly not
referring to MPs.

SHRI PILOO MODY: They want
nothing but cash.

DR. V. K. R VARADARAJA
RAO: I am coming to that.

When you go into the root of it,
it is not a question a ceiling on cash
holding. The root of it cotmes when
you pay in cash for what need not
have been paid in cash. And almost
by definition vou should pav in cash
for only small amounts.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What
if tiie cheques bounce?

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Committee {M)

DR. V- K. R VARADARAJA
RAO; I know the danger of cheques
bouncing. I just wanted to establish
this principle that the most effec-
tive way of countering black money
m this country is by seeing if we
can devise some practical methods
of seeing that payments in cash,
where payments can be made by
cheques, are stopped. 1 would go fur-
ther and say that payments in cash
should only be made for small
transactions where the amount is in
terms of three figures and certainly
not in terms of four figures.

Now comes the question: how do
we enforce it? As for the question
which you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker put,
I have been racking my brain to find
an answer. I db not think I have
got the correct answer, but from
the limited wisdom I have or imay
not have, 1 would like to make this
suggestion. 1 would say that, first of
all, in manv cases cheques are ac-
cepted where the person is known.
A person who is walking in the
street, who is not known to anybody,
cannot go and buy a car without
cash. But if I give a cheque, it will
be accepted. Of course, I agree that
in our country people are more re-
luctant to accept a cheque than in
a country like England. May be
cheques bounce more m this coun-
try or mav be we are more distrust-
ful of each other than is the case
in other countries — whatever be the
reason But I would certainly say
that wherever cheque payments can
be made, they should be made in
cheques and not in cash payments.
16 hrs.

Then the question comes: what
happens if the man is not known,
whore the identity of the man is
not certain, where if you take a
cheque there 'is a possibility of its
bouncing? Here I want to make a
suggestion which I hope the Finance
Minister will examine — he mav
throw it out as nonsensical, but I
hope he will find some practical
sense in it. Is it not possible for us
to have something in between an
unlimited, unrestricted on-sight legal
tender which requires no signature,
no endorsement, which just by pass-
ing from one hand to another com-

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plctes the legality of payment, and
cheque payment, an intermediate
between a cheque and an unlimited
legal tender? Can we not have some-
thing like a sight cheque?

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul):
Traveller’s cheque-

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: Or traveller’s cheque, where
it is possible for anybody who
wants to buy a costly thing by pay-
ing in an intermediate currency
which is neither a cheque nor on-
sight legal tender. I suggest this is
the thing which will break the black
market in this country which is not
going to be broken by penalties and
so on, because the people who in-
dulge in black money transactions
arc not afraid of penalties.

SHRI N K P. SALVE: Not nego-
tiable.

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO- We have got to devise a
technical contrivance which will pre-
vent them from operating black
transactions

T would suggest this for the consi-
deration of members, as a student of
economics and I sav that it is possi-
ble to devise a kind of currency
which is not a currency in the full
sense of the term, which at the same
time does not carrv all the limita-
tions which a cheque carries with it.
This will be like traveller’s cheques
for Rs 5,000. Rs. 10,000, Rs- 20,000
whatever it is The only condition
would be that T have got to give my
name, address and occupation before
I get this money.

SHRI N K, P. SALVE : Will it be
negotiable?

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA
RAO : Traveller’s cheque, sight

cheque or intermediate currency,
whatever may be the name, if it
comes to be accepted, when it is
paid, there must also be a signature
of the person who pavs it, so that
'omebodv will know that this has
been paid, somebody will know who
has bought it for the Purposes of
oavment,

It seems to me if we can control
this cash business, these ush trans-
actions— black money really means
cash transactions; if there is no cash,
there will be no black money
transaction — we can tackle this eviL
The root of the evil is the preva-
lence of cash transactions on a large
scale. I just throw out this sugges-
tion. I am not an expert in all these
matters.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You

are.

DR. V- K. R. VARADARAJA
RAO: I thank you. But not an ex-
pert in black marketing! Sir. I would
suggest, therefore, that this is one
way and we can work out the de-
tails and work out all the various
implications and so on. But I would
seriously and most earnestly suggest
that the best way of attacking black
money is to find some method by
which you can minimise cash pay-
ments. Why do we pay the airlines
by cash 7 Why do we pay for so
many goods bv cash? I go to the
length of saying, why should we
pav, if we go to stay in the Ashoka
Hotel, in cash, and spend Rs. 2,000
or Rs. 3,000 or Rs. 5,000? Whv should
I pav it in cash? Why can’t I have
this kind of intermediate document
between cash and the other thing?
Anv difficulties that this may pre-
sent can be worked out and we can
come to solutions which will be of
enormous benefit to the country.

The second suggestion which, I
believe, has been accepted by the
Government., is the right to purchase.
We know a great deal of black
monev has gone into property,— re-
gistered price, cash price, *under the
counter and so on. We say the Gov-
ernment will take over the property
and has a right to buy the property.
I would only suggest for the consi-
deration of the House that this right
given to Government to buy the pro-
perty at the registered price will not
solve the problem of the conversion
of black money into property, I do
not think this is going to be exer-
cised verv readily, and if and when
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[Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao]-
things which will come in the way.
It is not going to be an effective de-
terrent at all. What I would like,
therefore, to suggest is that all sales
of property should be a matter of
public information. There should be
a regular gazette from every State
or every big area, so that all sales
of property— house number so and
so, so and so, belonging to so and
so and sold to so and so and at such
a price at which it was registered —
could be known and this information
should be made public. Because, the
public will be much more anxious to
catch the fellow. I say it with due
respect to mv friends on the Trea-
sury Benches. I do not blame them
for it, because they are also victims
of the machine So, the public will
be much more interested in finding
out these people than the official
machinery that is entrusted with
this particular task. It can be pub-
lished If you do not want to pub-
lish it. it should be possible to be
referred to in other ways. For ex-
ample, we have got the ioint stock
companies, in respect of which if
vou pay one rupee to a public office,
you can get all the details and see
the documents. So. any member of
the public can go there and see. Re-
search people can go there; research
analysts can go there and see, and
have a look at the property deed;
make a studv of *them and indicate
which are the kinds of property
where there is obviously some kind
of hocus pocus- Tt seems to me that
unless some such thing is done, it
will be difficult. You can indeed
specify the persons among the gene-
ral public; say, accountants, or law-
yers. Unless the public is allowed to
raise this question, merely to say
that the Government has the right
to repurchase it at the declared
value is not, I think going to solve
the problem at all. I would sug-
gest that instead of having this kind
of futile provision, it is far better
to have a provision like this, which
will also involve the general public
’o seeing that black market does not
flourish at all.

The third suggestion is about
strengthening of the income-tax ad-

ministration. I believe the Wanchoo
Committee have made this recom-
mendation and I would like to un-
derscore it. Have industrial specia-
lists and trade specialists. At the
moment, as a matter of fact, the
cost of production is so shown that
things are put in as expenses which
are not expenses. We only talk ot
entertainment allowances, and guest-
house and so on, there are expenses
on transport; expenses by way of
TA; purchase of commodities, pur-
chase of raw materials, payment of
commission, etc. There are so many
ways and means by which the busi-
nessman knows how to conceal ille-
gitimate expenditure under a legiti-
mate garb and get it accepted by the
income-tax authorities as part of ad-
missible cost of production, and
thereby get the money for illegiti-
mate purposes It seems to me that
this is not a matter that can only
be dealt with by the income-tax offi-
cer with all the training that he
may get. And that is why, I believe,
the Wanchoo Committee have made
the recommendation, and I would
like to support and get it strengthen-
ed There should be industrial and
trade specialists who would be spe-
cialists in analysing May be, we
should get a chartered accountant
who is a specialist in industry; a
chartered accountant who knows
about the textile business; a charter-
ed accountant who knows about
drugs and pharmaceuticals business,
a chartered accountant who knows
about the sugar business. Like that,
I think we have to get experts who
will then be able to determine the
norms of expenditure. So, broadly,
one can sav, if the statistics are on
the table, what is wrong with the
things, because, normally if we have
been doing the subject for a long
time, you have a sense of propor-
tion, a sense of magnitude, and if
something does not fit in immediate-
ly, you raise your eye-brows and
start working on it. and you mav
find yourself wrong or right at the
end Similarly, some kinds of norms
have got to be there for all the diffe-
rent types of expenditure: in build-
ing up these norms, the application
of these norms, the creation of spe-

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cialists machinery of this kind will
go a long way to deal with the prob-
lem of generation of black money.

It may cost, I think, Rs. 25 lakhs
or Rs. 30 lakhs or Rs. 50 lakhs. But
certainly it is not going to cost more
than a crore of rupees. But 1 do
suggest this is another way of stop-
ping the generation of black money.

Now I shall go a little faster. I
thought I should not brush it aside,
fortunately, thanks to Mr. Jyotirmoy
Bosu's political convictions! (Inter-
ruptions). He did not say anything
about reducing the taxation for the
purpose of preventing black money.

I would suggest that reducing the
rate of taxation is not going to have
any effect at all on tax evasion, and
therefore, on the creation of black
money. (Interruptions). I hear a
whisper from my very distinguished
hon. Member behind me saying it is
not so I do not know- As far as I
know, if somebody were to say that
the imposition of 95 per cent margi-
nal rate of taxation will prevent a
man from earning a particular slab
above the margin., because he will
only get five per cent thereof, I can
understand As a matter of fact, — I
was thinking in my mind, but I have
not worked it out — how many in-
comes are really made by slabs, and
how much time and how much effort
do they exercise whether ‘I can make
my next Rs 5.000 or not make the
next Rs. 5.000’’ As far as I can see,
this can be done bv doctors and law-
yers only I think it is very difficult
for business people to do it. In their
case, the slabs may not go into the
kind of slabs that the income-tax
authorities make. Therefore, honest-
ly, I do not see any economic justi-
fication for suggesting that if you re-
duce the rate of taxation, this can be
achieved. Tf you say that you should
reduce it from 95 to 20 or 10. there
can be some meaning in it, but by
reducing it from 95 to 75 it is not
going to make all the dishonest fel-
lows to become honest now. T think
it is not a legitimate expectation at
all. ft has no foundation at all in
economic analysis, and I suggest
that that particular recommendation
of the Wanchoo Committee should

definitely not be accepted by the
Government, apart from the so-call-
ed recommendations about demone-
tisation.

The next important point is about
controls. It is not only tax evasion.
If vou were to ask me, the most im-
portant reason for black money is
control, or licence. I am afraid I
have not made a study of licences,
but I am told that today you have
got to take a licence for almost any-
thing. Only, I do not think we
should take a licence for making
speeches in this House except, of
course, with the favour of the Chief
Whip of the party concerned and the
favour of the Deputy-Speaker or the
Chairman who happens to be in the
Chair ( Interruptions ). But the licen-
ces, I refer to, are of a different
character I find that if one wants to
have spindles in the textile industry,
if one wants to extend the textile
industry, one should have a licence;
if you want to have 50 more spindles,
or a little raw material, anything,
there has to be a licence-

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Stain-
less steel.

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA
RAO : Well, he is very familiar with
all those various fields in which
these licences are given. Why and
how, T do not know But these licen-
ces become bad when it is a question
of shortage of economy, and the
Wanchoo Committee have suggested
a committee to be appointed to go
into this question of licences I want
very strongly to endorse this view.
We have been going on with licences
for the last 15 years. We have not
so far really found out a rationale,
nor have we examined what has led
to these licences, how far it has re-
sulted in the plan Driorities being
accepted and how far it has led to
the production and distribution that
we wanted and what are the conse-
auences of licensing. There is no
doubt that licensing has led to de-
ter oration in character and the
growth of black money. Everybody
know* that. But all the other things,
we do not know. I suggest very
strongly that the Government should

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take a decision. They need not take
a lot of time. After all, they have
accepted certain recommendations
like the account number and so on.
They do not have to say that we can
only take a decision on the report as
a whole. They have already taken
a decision on certain recommenda-
tions of the Committee. I would say
that this particular recommendation
is most important from the point of
view of dealing with the phenome-
non of black money. In the meanwhile
I suggest to the Ministry of Finance
and other concerned Ministries : Let
them take a sample of the licences
and investigate them, if a licence is
given to A, how he has used it. Do
we follow up that licence? We give
so much cement, what has he done
with it; We give him so much pig iron
or steel, has he used that? Have we
asked the men who get licences
what they have done with that
licence? Such a sample investiga-
tion is of great importance; it should
be taken up at once and a thorough-
ly competent expert objective inves-
tigation of the whole system of
licences should be made.

Further. I should like to know
whether traders in durable commo-
dities are licensed. Jewellers or dea-
lers in gold ornaments dealers in
houses, cars etc. What are we doing
with them? Have you got any con-
trol over them? Do they make any
returns’ These are some of the ways
by which black money gets convert-
ed into white wealth . . . (Interrup-
tions). If you licence them, you can
get some return and control. This
may not be liked by everybody.

We should get returns from our big
tourist hotels. I am all for tourism.
But it will be interesting to find out
how much of the money is being
spent in these big tourist hotels by
foreigners who bring foreign ex-
change and how much is spent by
Indian businessmen, their friends
and others. I think out of the most
important avenues for the expendi-
ture of black money is the big
hotels, expensive cabarets and the
big restaurants in the country,

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: They
will not give you a ticket next time.

DR. V. K. R VARADARAJA
RAO: I think it would be desirable
to have some kind of control of
know who are the people who give
the parties there and what are the
returns- Anybody spends more than
100 or 200, let there be a return of
such people in these hotels.

Now. regarding tax arrears, an-
other important part of the problem.
I am all admiration for the work the
Wanchoo Committee have done. I
hope the Government will not wait
for long to accept the recommenda-
tion for the creation of a special
body to deal with the question of
arrears. Tax arrears are bad for the
morale of the Government, morale
of the honest tax payers and also
bad for the income-tax payer, even
for those who have not paid their*
taxes. Special machinery should be
created; without any .further speech
I should like to support that sugges-
tion in toto and I want Government
action in regard to that immediate-
ly

I have to say something about
clubbing. There was a lot of discus-
sion and some minutes of dissent
also on this question whether a hus-
band, wife and minor children
should all be clubbed together. I do
not have the time to elaborate my
argument; you have been patient
with me; I am not in favour of club-
bing the income of the husband,
wife and minor children without any
qualification. The income of minor
children should certainly be clubbed
with that of the income-tax payer.
I do not see the point of minor child-
ren having an income. What are the
minor children to do with that in-
come? The income is safeguarded,
the corpus is safeguarded.

What is the purpose of gifting pro-
perty to minor children? You gift to
mv minor children and I gift to
vour minor children. Minor children
have no right to have non-taxable
income from that property; the in-
come from that property should be
taxed. You may not tax the wealth;
I am not suggesting wealth tax. But

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all income from the property of
minor children should be clubbed
with the income of the head of the
family and taxed.

When it comes to wife, I suggest
that we have to make a distinction
between an earning wife and a wile
who is not earning. It is not only
because of sentiment. In the latest
employment review which was circu-
lated to Parliament two days ago
you will find the problem of educat-
ed women unemployed is becoming
sharper, acuter than even the prob-
lem of educated men’s unemploy-
ment. Honestly, I am terrified what
will happen if a large number of
women educated unemployed started
marches and processions and other
things because it is much more diffi-
cult to handle them than the educat-
ed men unemployed- Some distinc-
tion should be drawn between
women workers who are wives and
women wives who are not workers.
These are matters of detail.

About trusts, who do wc not have
a directory of trusts 4 ' I have seen
many times a huge publication of
10,000 ioint stock companies in India;
it is published once in two years, I
have seen lists of large industrial es-
tablishments, 5.000 names, two
volumes What is there to prevent
us from having a directory of all the
trusts in this country 4 ' There are
charitable religious medical and edu-
cational and other trusts Let us
know their names, the members of
their governing bodies, and so on
Every one of them should get its
accounts audited. There is no doubt
that trusts constitute another way
through which black money grows
and tax evasion takes place. It is
simple and it should not take much
time for Government to accept it.

There is one more suggestion and
I do not know whether it is good
for me as a member of a political
party to make that suggestion but if
one fe'els impelled to make the sug-
gestion, I feel one should do so. All
political parties should be registered.
No political party should function in
secret. We should know who the
members of a political party are; we

should know who their office bearers
are, what their funds are, etc. All
political parties should be in the
nature of trusts because they are
trustees for the people and they go
before the country in the name of
their parties and get elected and
sometimes run the Government and
sometimes run the opposition; it
makes no difference to me. I think
it is very important to see that for
the working of democracy as well as
prevent any temptation that may be
there— people with black money
may tempt political parties, that in-
cludes all political parties— I think
it is very important that all politi-
cal parties should be registered and
we should know; there should be
open lists and registers showing who
the members are, who the office
bearers ate and what are their pro-
cedure for election, what is their
constitution etc , as we do under the
Societies Registration Act of 1860
and their accounts should be audited
and there should be annual reports.
If some such thing is done it will
go a long way to bring back health
to our economy and polity and also
check many other things that are
happening in this country.

I am finishing with one last sug-
gestion. I should like to add my
voice to the need for treating the
income-tax department officers a
little better than we were treating
them hitherto. I do not know what
their status is, 1 do not know whe-
ther they have the same status as
members of the Indian Administra-
tive Service; I do not know whether
they have the same promotional
prospects as members of the now be-
coming’ extinct ICS or the upcoming
IAS If I can think of any job which
is the most important, it is this job*
It is not merely law and order which
is most important in our country.
Many law and order problems are
connected with the solution or non-
solution of economic problems like
mobilisation of resources and so on.
The Government should make a de
novo examination of the entire cadre
or income-tax officers, their promo-
tions and their prospects and other
things and see to it that they a»

185 Report of AUGUriT 26, 1972 Direct lams Enquiry 136

[Dr. V.K.R. Vfcfadaraja Rao].

given a sufficiently strong position
and sufficient incentives so that they
can function honestly and courage-
ously in the best interests of the
country.

1&23 hrs.

[Shri K. N. Tiwart* in the Chair]

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU-
THAM (Coimbatore): Let us remind
ourselves that when we are discus-
sing this question we are living in
an acquisitive society where real
values are at a discount and nothing
succeeds like success. Wie are all ag-
reed that in this acquisitive society
we are confronted by a problem of
agonising dimensions and we also ag-
ree on the disastrous consequences.
The need to combat this menace is
also a point on which we all agree.
We called upon the Wanchoo Com-
mittee to go into this question. But it
is not as if Mr. Wanchoo and his comr
mittee were going into this question
for the first time. There have been
many committees which have gone
into this question in the past.

For example, there was the Ayyar
Committee in the year 1936, the
Varadachariar Investigation Com-
mission in the year 1948. the John
Mathai Commission in 1954, Profes-
sor Kalder who was invited to come
and go into this question in the year
1956, the Mahavir’ Tyagi Committee
m 1958 and the Departmental En-
quiry Committee in the year 1968.
So, it is very clear that they are
seized of this problem for a long
time and committees after commit-
tees have gone mto this question and
submitted their repprts. In spite of
all this, the* verdict .now is that the
proportions have increased, they
have become even more menacing
and we have reached a stage when
we cannot do anything because th n y
are eating into the vitals of our eco-
nomy- We now call it a parallel
economy.

While going into the question of
the parallel economy* I am afraid
the Wanchoo Committee has been
yerv disappointing and has shown
its affection for wealth and privilege.

Committee (M)

The Wanchoo Committee has elabo-
rated the crimes at length but it is
afraid to name the criminals. Unless
they name the criminals, unless they
identify the criminals, all their re-
medies, all their palliatives, all their
arsenal to deal with this question is
not going to be of any use whatso-
ever.

Why do I say that the Committee
has been disappointing and it has
shown affection for wealth and pri-
vilege? The recommendations of the
Wanchoo Committee can be broadly
classified into two categories. One
set of suggestions deals only with
administrative measures. They have
not gone into the root of the prob-
lem Secondly, they have accepted
the evidence of the yery criminals,,
of the very perpetrators of the
crime, and then made their recom-
mendations.

The monopoly houses have been
demanding two things. They have
been pleading and leading evidence
to the effect that unless the rate of
income-tax is reduced “you cannot
deal with black money, we will de-
feat you” That has been their chal-
lenge The Wanchoo Committee at
the very outset has conceded this
demand. They want it to be reduced
from 97 75 per cent for the highest
income bracket to 75 per cent. I
totally agree with Dr. V. K. R. V.
Rao here and his view, coming as
is does from an economist, has got
greater weight than that of mine
This proposal of the Wanchoo Com-
mittee for reduction in the rate of
taxation shows how far they have
degraded themselves on this ques-
tion.

Secondly, they have suggested the
doing away with controls. This has
also been one of the persistent de-
mands of the big industrial houses.
Controls have failed is another mat-
ter Why do the big industrial houses
want de-control? It is not as if con-
trols are responsible for the accu-
mulation of black money. Even if we
remove controls, they will accumu-
late black monev. Was it because of
the high incidence of taxation that
they created artificial scarcity? It is

lift Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (S AKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 138

because of the high incidence of
taxation that they violate the foreign
exchange regulations? Is it because
of the high rate of taxation that
they are indulging in speculation?
No, high rate of taxation or controls
has nothing to do with this. Yet,
the Committee thought it fit to agree
to the pleas ot the industrial houses,
the big sharks of the monopoly
houses, and make these recommen-
dations for implementation by trie
Government.

Even in the matter of administra-
tion I find that this Committee has
got its partiality for the privileged.
The Committee concede the right of
the wealthy, of the powerful, of the
moneyed people to tempt others.

MR. CHAIRMAN. He should try
to conclude soon.

SHRI K BALADHANDAYU-
THAM- I cannot cover such a vast
subject so soon If you so desire, I
will resume my seat now itself
Here I may point out that the pre-
vious speaker was given more than
45 minutes.

MR CHAIRMAN: My difficulty is
that the time allotted for your party
is only seven minutes I know it is
an important subject. I do not want
to be vei v strict But he should also
bo considerate to the Chair

Committee (M)

all Government officials. Still, this
Committee is recommending higher
emoluments to income-tax officers.

One of the dangers facing the
economy today is on account of the
bureaucracy. Today there are two
classes of income-tax officers. Class
I and Class II. Though both of them
are doing the same work for doing
equal work they are paid different-
ly. There is difference in the method
of promotion also. Those who are in
Class I, that is to say, those who
come by direct recruitment, they are
automatically promoted after five
years. But those who come from the
ranks, even though they are much
mure experienced, they are pot given
the same^rate of promotion. So, the
bias of the Committee is for the
rich, for the Gazetted Officers, tne
higher officers in the administrative
machinery.

The root causes for the existence of
black money are three- There are
three devils operating in the Indian
economy. One is the monopoly
houses, which were born in black
money It was during the last world
war that these big industrial houses
came into being How did they come
into being? It was through the accu-
mulation of bbek money Even as
children they lived with it and they
have grown up with that They
were born in the cradle of black

SHRI K BALADHANDAYU-
THAM: I am in your hands. I will
take the time allotted by you. But
I expect you to show some consi-
deration for the subject, if not the
speaker.

money

They were helped and abetted by
another devil, namely, bureaucracy.
The third devil is the party in power;
the bourgeoise political party in
power is capable of being financed
by black monev It is not merely

J nn lhe fact that there are bi £ industrial

With regard to the houses which are in the highest in-

also we can see the bias of the Corn-

houses which are in the highest in-
come brackets 'vvhich £re evading

" /-v f wmi/ii aie evading

mittee. Thev coneede t, 8 taxes and which are able to corrupt

the monev bags Pf the bureaucracy that has created

They also concede the rig o P - this situation It is the policies pro-
pie to be tempted. The n pounded and followed by the govern-

officers, who are Gazetted Officers. ment in tbp ]a8t 25 years which has
have got the privilege and g created the conditions for the devc-

be tempted So, m order that t y i opmen t 0 f this parallel economy
are not tempted, the Committee re-

commend that thev must be paid So. these three devils are there
higher emoluments After all. the and they have to be dealt with.
Pav Commission is there which is While dealing with it, you have to
going into the service conditions of^^e the interim report which is

139 Report of AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct Ioanns Enquiry 140

Committee (M)

[Shri K. Bajadhandyutham]
very much relevant here. The rele-
vance is that they made a recommen-
dation of demonetisation. They have
not referred to it in the final Report,
hn the final Report, they have not
made any reference to it except to
say that it will be efficacious if it is
implemented. There is a difference
between the interim report and the
final report. If demonetisation is
efficacious, the final report must have
dealt with that because the Govern-
ment has not implemented it. I do
not agree with Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao
that the Committee cannot recom-
mend demonetisation. The Commit-
tee can recommend socio-economic
changes, the structural changes in
the economy. If I were put in the
Committee, I would recommend even
more. The terms of references itself
is on black money. When dealing
with this question of black money,
they have to recommend all those
measures like demonetisation. It can-
not be merely done by suggesting
administrative measures. It has to be
more than that.

They made a proposal of demone-
tisation. With regard to demonetisa-
tion, I do not agree that 10-rupee
notes should be demonetised. It
should be 100-rupee notes and above.
Demonetisation is inevitable. If the
Government does not do it today, it
will have to do it tomorrow. Without
mopping the black money in curren-
cy, transactions cannot Stop in
spite of the cheques system being
proposed. You must have cheques for
higher transactions. They can also
be like travellers’ cheques. I agree
with the proposal and I also say
that the proposal must be madeTd
see these things are implemented,
that payments are made only in this
way. It is qecessarjr for mopping up
the existing currency in black money.
Demonetisation is inevitable. The
Government need not go about say-
ing it that they are going to demone-
tise it Demonetisation must be done
with all the preparations overnight
suddenly. Unless they do that, they
cannot mop up blaCfc money.

.With regard to other things, I ex-
pected the Wanchoo Committee toi
make a recommendation that there
must be a ceiling on profit. We t a lk
of having a ceiling on land an#t M

ban property. Why not there be a
ceiling on profits also. It is a ques-
tion of income. Why not fix a ceil-
ing that nobody would earn more
than 2 per cent or 4 per cent or the
maximum of 5 per cent profit. Un-
less there is a ceiling on profit, the
black money will continue to be
there.

I also agree with Dr. V.K.R.V. Rao
m suggesmg that there should be
simultaneous check-up of the safety
vaults in all the banks. Combined
with demonetisation, there should be
simultaneous check-up of all the
safety vaults of the banks, at one
stroke, all over the country.

Apart from that, they must also
acquire properties which have been
under-assessed) and under-estimated
in value. Any immoveable property
which is under-estimated should be
acquired by the Government. Un-
less you do that, you will not solve
the problem Mere transactions alone
will not solve the problem You will
have to acquire the properties
which are under-assessed and under-
estimated. I say this because we need
money. Our Finance Minister has
said that Rs 6,000 — 7,000 crores of
additional revenue are needed in the
next period. Even as a revenue, you
have to acquire properties which are
under-assessed.

Not only that Money is being sent
out. You must nationalise the foreign
banks. Otherwise, you cannot stop the
leakage. You will have to nationalise
monopoly houses. I expected the
Wanchoo Committee to make that
recommendation. Unless you take
over the monopoly houses, you can-
not deal with this problem By leav-
ing them, you are allowing them to
make money Unless you take them
over, the results will not be achiev-
ed.

Then, foreign trade should be
nationalised. There should be natio-
nalisation of all essential consumer
goods factories and other such estab-
lishments. There should be nationali-
sation of foreign trade and also
food trade in the country. Without
these socio-economic changes about
which the Government has been
talking and which has been the
•pledge given to the people, without

141 Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 142

Committee ( M )

implementing them, you cannot deal
with black money. Mere administra-
tive measure will not do.

Under these circumstances, the
Government appointed this Commit-
tee and the Committee has come
out with a report. Now, while deal-
ing with that, the thinking of the
Government seems to be that they
will have joint ventures with the
very people who have accumulated
black money, the Tatas and others.
They are going to have joint ventures
in industrial sphere. On the other
side, the slogan is "Work”. Work is
the only slogan of Indian economy.
The concentration of wealth and
accumulation of black money goes on
merrily.

So, the Wanchoo Committee report
has been very disappointing The
slogan of self-reliance by the year
1980 is becoming a big joke a moc-
kery While we talk about Indian
conditions, the Wanchoo Committee
refers to Western conditions The
Western conditions have no rela-
tionship to Indian conditions. They
have no comparison to our coun-
try We are 300 years behind them
in the case of development. To talk
about Western conditions in relation
to India is absurd. They do not want
to evolve an Indian way of dealing
with black money.

Whatever we try to do by way of
implementation, it has to be not
merely administrative measures but
structural changes must be brought
about in the socio-economic system.
Unless you bring about structural
changes, the black money cannot be
dealt with. Without dealing with
black money, you cannot bring about
the development of this country or
solve any of the people’s problem.
Garibi Hatao will be merely a slogan,
a day-drearr., if you do not bring
about structural changes and deal
with black money as it should be
dealt with.

SHRI N K P SALVE (Betul): Mr.
Chairman, Sir, since the Report was
published and was, thereafter, made
available to us in the early part of
this year, it evoked considerable in-
terested in the country for it dealt
with a very topical matter and

various comments were made expres-
sing divergent shades of opinion as
was inevitable. The comments were,
as usual, inevitable, good, bad and
indifferent. They were relevant, also
irrelevant and some of them worthy
of very useful consideration to see,
to what extent, those comments could
supplement the Report, to find some
solution to this malaise of black
money and ‘tax-evasion. However, if
someone wants to use this Report
only for purposes of a very cheap
political gimmickry, it is for the
person concerned to do so if he
thinks he is achieving some political
ends. But so far as the purpose of
finding out some solution to this
menacing problem of tax-evasion and
black money is concerned, there is
no contribution made

Various comments were made by
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. Unfortunately,
he is not here now. I would have
convinced him how vague those com-
ments have been. He referred to
various estimates of tax evasion and
tried to create an atmosphere as if
we were living in a parallel economy,
black money, which economy is more
powerful than the real economy and
that the parallel economy was the
real economy, as it were. While I
have not the slightest intention of
minimising the extremely delete-
rious, harmful and pernicious charac-
ter of black money and tax-evasion,
I must point out that the figures
given bv Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu,
though drawn from the Committee
Report, are not put up here in a
proper perspective. They have them-
selves relied on figures bereft of any
conviction and with tremendous re-
servations. The system they have
followed is anything but systematic.
They have niade no secret about it
•

On p. 7 of the Report, they have
themselves said:

“Research work on tax-evasion
in this country is extremely
limited: also attempts to es-
timate and study tax-evasion
suffer from some basic in-
firmities owing to the insuffi-
ciency or non-availability of
reliable data. Unless a detail-
ed breack-down of the total
assessed income generated in

Report iff

AUGUST

LShn N. K. Salve)

each year is available, it is
duncult to make a scientific
study ot the trend of tax-
evasion . . ,

Later on, while commenting on their
own estimate of black money tranr
sactions to the tune of Jtis. 7,000 crores,
the Committee itsell looks upon their
estimate with some d^ree of ridi-
cule. They themselves say :

4 The money value of deals in-
volving black money may,
therelore, be not less than
Rs. 7,000 crores for 1968-69.
We would, however, hasten
to emphasise that the amount
of tax evaded income for the
year 1968-69 is only a guess
estimate based on certain as-
sumptions about it. Substan-
tial difference of opinion ex-
ists for want of adequate
date . . .

Therefore, the figures must be taken
subject to these very serious limita-
tions that there was not scientific
data available, that there was no re-

20, 1972 Daeit Taxes Mnqu.ry 144
Committee (M)

were trying to find a solution to.
They have themselves given a find-
ing to which I wish to refer. It is
a complete answer to every one who
is likely to be obsessed with thle
idea of demonetisation and run
amuck as the Mover of this motion.
They have themselves stated it. I
wish he was here. This argument,
this finding, I am inclined to consi-
der, was made by the Committee m
anticipation of the fact that this
type of argument would be put for-
ward by people who would not be
able to properly digest the interim
report or the final report They have
said that moneys are not available
in currency notes, the moneys have
gone in lavish consumption, they
have gone in jewellery, in gold, m
properties, in stocks, and that it is
wholly wrong and erroneous to
assume that moneys are hoarded and
the moment demonetisation takes
place, we will have unearthed all
those moneys Nothing can be more
fallacious and unrealistic than this.
The Committee has given its finding
on page 8-

liable basis for this estimate.

Then it was said that the second
report was written under duress. I
asked him as to what was the basis
for this type of allegation against a
Commission which was headed by a
retired Chief Justice. I do not know

“In addition, we would also
like to dispel a possible im-
pression that the tax-evaded
income is all lying hoarded
which can be seized by the
authorities; much of it has
been either converted into

what was the basis He did not want
to divulge. If any of the two reports
is written under duress, then both
the reports are not worth the paper
they were written on. How does he
say that the first report is every-
thing and that the second report is
nothing? I submit that this type of
allegation is bereft of any restraint
and responsibility and does not help
one way or the other.

He has become the greatest cham-
pion of the cause of demonetisation,
and he draws his entire strength
from the interim report of the Com-
mission. I wish he had read this
report a little more carefully and
in detail. Then he would have realis-
ed that after the Committee had put
in some more work, after they had
called in. some more witnesses and
had taken their evidence, after they
had collected some more facts, they
found that demonetisation would not
be a solution to the problem they

assets or spent away m con-
sumption or else in circula-
tion in undisclosed business
dealings/'

Either demonetisation could have
been recommended or this finding
could have been given. The two could
not have simultaneously found a
place in a report which could be
considered a consistent and a rational
report In the light of this, one can
only come to this conclusion that,
after the interim report, they must
have reviewed the entire matter,
looked into all the facts connected
with black money, in what shape or
form it is kept by different people,
and then come to this conclusion that
it is not hoarded in cash; they have
said so in those terms; they have
said that they want to dispel such
an impression and. therefore, they
have not recommended demonetisa-
tion which is being so much cham-
pioned by Shri Bosu.

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Committee (M)

The basic difficulty about demone-
tisation which Mr. Bosu does not
seem to realise is this. However
fanciful the idea may be, in practice
does he realise how ineffective, how
impracticable, how dangerous, the
whole idea is going to be? The re-
cent raids conducted in Bombay re-
veal that there was hardly any cash
available for the tax officer to find
in the houses of the film people.
Then, finally, they have said that
Rs. 7,000 crores worth of transactions
are taking place in a parallel eco-
nomy with unaccounted money. We
want to curb that parallel economy.
It is wholly a fallacious idea to con-
sider that once we have taken out
the current money and have intro-
duced, for example, red currency in-
stead of blue currency that will take
care of the whole problem. Nothing
can be more fallacious than this.
The money is in circulation all right,
never mind what is the colour. You
may withdraw the old currency and
introduce a new currency, but even
then that money will still be in
circulation. What about the circula-
tion of Rs. 7,000 crores’ It is the
circulation of those Rs. 7,000 crores
which leads to generation — and after
generation, proliferation — of black
money. How is that to be eradicat-
ed and remedied with demonetisa-
tion’ Demonetisation is being resort-
ed to as some sort of over-simplified
process for finding a remedy for a
malady where the remedy itself is
much worse than the malady. There-
fore, I suggest that the idea of de-
monetisation is utterly ridiculous.

One more question, I would like
to ask him Has he studied what was
the result of demonetisation that we
had in the country in, 1944, how
much black money, soon after the
War, was the Income-tax Department
in a position to unearth as a re-
sult of demonetisation? Wherever
the Department started cases when
demonetised notes came for encash-
ment, wherever cases were started
by the Income-tax Department, ‘Here
is the black money which is sought
to be converted into new currencies’,
old currencies being repayable, all
those cases were struck down in
courts: there was no evidence to
show that Rs. 10,000 or 20,000 which

these people had brought was not
the money available with them.
Where is the guarantee that this
time the same thing will not hap-
pen?

Finally, the day you announce de-
monetisation, gold prices will go up
by another Rs. 20 and every one
will purchase t gold; there will be a
large scale organized racket taking
advantage of demonetisation. Do not
play havoc with your economy by
this suggestion Imagine the crisis
that you are likely to create be-
cause of this. This Government has
to have a stable monetary policy.
You cannot distrust all the people in
your own currency. Therefore, the
whole idea of demonetisation, for
him it is allright, but any one who
carries some responsibility will not
consider its worth the thought.

Coming to ceiling on cash hold-
ings, it is an. equally fanciful idea.
We cannot be disrespectful to a legal
tender 1 have myself been thinking
on the lines suggested by Dr. Rao,
to have, if not a travellers’ cheque,
some sort of a cheque marked good
for payment, some sort of demand
draft of different denominations, but
the real difficulty comes if you probe
into the matter further, whether it
is negotiable or not. For instance,
A gives to B. A puts his signature
and B’s name is written. The ques-
tion is whether B, the recipient,
can negotiate it or not If he cannot
negotiate, then we have the difficul-
ties. There are not adequate banking
facilities If you are in the remotest
corner of rry constituency, for in-
stance, where to get the cheque en-
cashed? He will have difficulties in
encashing this type of cheque. But
then, if the negotiability is unres-
tricted, that will become a parallel
currency and that will be a subject
matter of black money and black
transactions. However, it is a matter
which can be looked into more scien-
tifically. The restriction on cash
holdings need not be exactly in the
form in which it was suggested, but
some via media can be found out to
curb black money transaction.

On acquisition of properties, we
have already made the laws. There-
fore, excepting unleashing a pollti-

147 Repnrtlof AUGUST

[Shn N. K. P;, Salve]

cal attack on us, I do not know what
Mr. Bosu had in znmd while making
the speech that he did today, try-
ing to attack the Prime Minister un-
necessarily.

With your permission. I will take
a few minutes to make some of my
comments on this report.

The first relates t6 reduction of
rates. I entirely agree with Dr. Rao
in what he has said about reduction
of rates. The entire recommendation
on reduction of rates has been made
in such a cavalier manner, one is
simply startled, no rationale is given
how a person who would be a tax-
evader at 99.75 would not be a tax-
evader at 75 per cent. If a person
wants to evade tax, he does not see
whet rates of taxation are there at
the highest slab. If it is, say, Rs. 10
lakhs, usua'ly the decision that he
takes is, ‘I am going to pay tax on
Rs. 3 lakhs irrespective of the rate
of tax’. He will submit a return of
only Rs 3 lakhs and will resist all
the efforts of the Department to tax
him on even a rupee more than Rs.

3 lakhs. That is how it is done. I
might submit that 90 per cent of
the people may not be knowing what
are the highest rates, the different
rates at different slabs. The tax-eva-
der’s psychology is rot built with
reference to high rates of taxation —
the highest marginal rate of taxa-
tion — , it is essentially built with re-
ference to what income he wants to
pav tax on. They are suggesting re-
duction in the rates of taxation But
there is an important obligation
which we have to carry out How is
that to be taken care of’ That is the
obligation connected with our social
objectives and* eradication of inequa-
lities. Ending inequalities in wealth,
opportunity apd power is as much our
bother as growth is If we want to
arrest the malaise of tax evasion and
black money equally we want to en-
sure that these disparities are brought
to an end. Now, this question of dis-
parities has been dealt with in one
sentence very cursorily; they have
just dispensed with it in one sen-
tence; this is what they say on page
19-

“One reason often given for
adopting high tax-rates in
this country is that they

26, 1972 Direct Taxes Enquiry I 48
CommiUe'i {M)

would narrow down inequa-
lities of income and wealth.
In theory this might be a
valid proposition but in prac-
tice high rates of taxation
are apt to make the rich
richer and the poor poorer
thereby widening the gap
between the two classes."

I wish they were serious about what
they were saying and I wished at
least two-third of it should have been
devoted to do some research work,
saying, all right, here has been the
following rate of increase in taxa-
tion, this is how the disparities have
grown, this according to us, will be
the fair rate at which one would
have an incentive to pay his taxes,
this will ensure the objective name-
ly, of ensuring the highest return to
the exchequer and at the same time
ensuring that it will not increase
the disparities. But all that work has
not been done Instead, what do you
find 9 Relief is given at the highest
point If you are earning about
Rs. 70,000 they have re-
commended a rate of 74 75
per cent It is for the benefit of people
earning above Rs. 2 lakhs who will
get the benefit of 23 per cent A per-
son earning Rs 10,000 gets no bene-
fit in the revised rates given by them.
A person getting Rs. 15,000 gets a
benefit of 0 6 per cent A person
who has Rs 25,000 gets a
benefit of 2 per cent. These people
are all those who are crushed;
people getting Rs. 1,000 and Rs. 1,500
are mostly salaried people and they
are the most crushed section among
the tax payers They are not en-
titled to any relief whatsoever.

The only people who are entitled
to relief are those earning Rs. 2
lakhs and above. Therefore, Sir, this
proposal by which they are suggest-
ing reduction in rates of taxation is
thoroughly irrational and it has to
be completely rejected.

The basic difficulty which is be-
fore us is this. In various recommen-
dations that they are making, they
are putting up arguments in favour
of them and against them, as given
to them by different people who ap-
peared before them. There are no
statistics, no data, no original work
done in a report of this character.
We have spent lakh of rupees on

140 Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 150

it and one would have expected that
whenever they make a suggestion
they will go into it thoroughly.

They have suggested clubbing. At
least in the minute of dissent, they
have suggested clubbing and the en-
tire report is suggesting limited
clubbing. When they do it, one
would have wished that they gave
some figures saying, as a result of
clubbing, in 5 years, what is going
to be the offtake increase of the exche-
quer. Are we going to do this type
of clubbing just for the sake of
clubbing, or, does it serve any real
purpose? If it has any real purpose,
why cannot you put your idea into
something more concrete? That has
not been done, unfortunately, and
I hat has not been achieved.

The Wanchoo Committee has not
stated a word about the taxation of
the companies. Yesterday only I was
reading in Bombay a report given
as a result of a study of the Reserve
Bank, after a study of over 1205 top-
most companies and the effective
tates that they have paid. That
means, the real rate on the profits
is 42 per cent in the year 1970-71 as
against 47 5 per cent in the year
1967-68. Therefore, Sir, our companies
are subject to a rate of taxation
which is very rational, very liberal.
But that is not dealt with at all,
that is not mentioned here.

Why is there evasion in companies?
They have not gone into it. This de-
partment has not done sufficient
amount of research, unfortunately,
to find out what the effective rates
of taxation are over companies as a
result of various deductions, various
rebates and various concessions. The
effective rates which ultimately come
under companies are much less than
the paper rates which we describe
year after year in the Schedule to
the Finance Act.

17 hrs.

About clubbing, Sir, this is sug-
gested in the Minute of Dissent by
Mr. Rangnekar and Mr. Chitale. It
is a very pernicious and dangerous
idea. I had a hunch that the Finance
Ministry is possibly flirting with this
idea and I thought if ever that idea
.is accepted how dengerous it is go-
ing to be on the people who are in

Committee (M)

the lesser income group than those
who are on the higher income brac-
kets. There are some calculations
made and they are startling calcu-
lations.

Apart from the reasons given by
Dr. Rao for not clubbing the income
for purposes of taxation with which
I entirely agreo, this is my reason,
purely on the basis of taxation, as
to how the burden will fall on those
who are in lower income group and
how relief as a result of clubbing
will really go to those who are re-
ally rich.

This is a very crafty manner in
which these things are done which is
very unfortunate. May be they have
it inadvertently not knowing
what they are writing. What they
have done is really unfortunate. Take
lor example the case of a husband
and a wife each earing Rs. 50,000.
According to the existing rates of
taxation, if they are separate, each
has to pay a tax of Rs. 19.550 and bet-
ween the two of them the tax would
be Rs. 39,100. Now, if the clubbing is
done, as per the report of Mr. Rang-
nekar and Mr. Chitale, what will
happen is this. Tax i s levied at the
rates given by them at page 20. Then
™ nn ^ ls Rs. 50,003 plus another Rs.
50,000, that is, on this Rs. one lakh,
the tax payable will be Rs. 48,575,
meaning an increase of Rs 9,475,
that is, 24 per cent increase. Take
the case of a husband and wife, earn-
| n S Rs 5 lakhs each. Today on Rs 5
lakhs, the tax is Rs. 4,451050; that
means, husband and wife, together
will have to pay a tax of Rs. 8,90,100.
if it is clubbed and it becomes Rs. 10
lakhs, then, according to the rates
Prescribed on. page 20, instead of Rs.
8,90,100 .according to the existing
rates, the tax on the two will come
to Rs 7,21,325, a reduction of 18 per
cent. The richer you become clubbing
does not make any difference, be-
cause above Rs. 60,000 they are re-
commending that the rate should be
74 per cent. So if it is clubbed at
that level it is going to make no
difference. This is an extremely dan-
gerous idea and It needs a sophisti-
cated and well-trained machinery for
doing this type of clubbing. Have
they any idea? Have they looked in-
to the various countries which have
clubbing?

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Committee (M)

[Shri N. K. Salve]

In U.K. it has been made optional.
Look at Canada, Australia, Sweden
etc. They have complicated methods
of clubbing it about and when they
club it about, they have tremendously
streamlined methods of bringing
about and ensuring that there is no
harassment caused t» the people who
are assessed and that the exchequer
is not put to any jeopardy. There
different higher slabs of exemptions
are given. They have other relief
given and there it is a more homo-
geneous sort of society which is more
easily amenable to that type of pat-
tern. It is certainly not possible in
India

This is my last point I wish to deal
with litigation, very wastful litiga-
tion which the Department indulges
in. Large amount of appeals, — trivial,
flimsy, frivolous appeals, — are filed
by the Department, lock, stock and
barrel, against all the orders passed
by the Appellate Assistant Commis-
sioners of Income-tax Persistently,
Sir, I have been objecting, objecting
and objecting with the Finance
Minister and with the Minister of
State and saying: Kindly check up
from the tribunal, whether of the
appeals you are filing against the
order of the Appellate Assistant Com-
missioner of Income-tax, 80 to 90 per
cent appeals have been dismissed or
not

Sir, what is the use of foisting liti-
gation on to the heads of the asses-
sees when you are only unnecessarily
adding to the litigation’

Something needs to be done about
it. If they think that the litigation
is a justified litigation in the inte-
rests of revenue then let them agree
to the principle of costs. If they
will have to bear costs, then many
trivial and flimsy litigation cases will
not be there, and are could under
stand it Unless this is done, 'it will
be impossible to put an end to
this type of attitude on the part
of the Department For, I have
realised that the unwillingness of the
tax-payer to desist from avoiding
taxation can only be matched with
the over-unwillingness of the Depart-
ment to desist from having the most
futile, the most unproductive and
the most insensible tax litigation.

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN (Mad-
ras South): The Wanchoo Commi-
ttee’s report is a strange mixed bag
containing something for the radical-
minded people and some other things
for the richest sections of society.
Dr. V. K R Varadaraja Rao and
Shri N. K. P Salve ably defended
the Government for not demonetis-
ing the currency notes as suggested
in the interim report. But I am sorry
to say that the great expert in eco-
nomic and the expert in taxation
laws could not defend the Govern-
ment for withholding the publication
of the interim report. Some time
back, Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan ex-
plained that the publication of the
interim report was found. unnecessary
as the final report had been publish-
ed. But now here comes Shri Yesh-
wantrao Chavan’s advocate who has
pleaded some other thing. I am sorry
to say that Shri N. K. P. Salve was
quoted out of context from the final
report My hon. friends opposite
maintain that this kind of suggestion
about demonetisation was found un-
necessary; they also maintain that
suddenly wisdom dawned on the
members of the committee after they
released the interim report. This is
not true I would like to quote from
the same report. The Committee say:

“An interim report was submit-
ted to the Government to-
wards the end of 1970 recom-
mending therein some Im-
portant steps of a radical
nature for immediate imple-
mentation. After detailed de-
liberations and careful con-
sideration, the Committee is
still fully convinced .

— mark the words ‘still fully con-
vinced —

“. . about the efficacy and feasi-
bility of the measures re-
commended in the interim
report.”

This is the feeling expressed in the
final report As the Deputy-Speaker
himself has pointed out, the interim
report and the final report are linked
together. But while the final report
has been placed on the Table of the
House, the interim report has not
been placed bv Government on the
table of the House, but it has been
placed on the Table of the House by

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Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. I do not know
what the rules of the_House have
to say in this matter. But if a report
contains something produced before
and if the two have some relation-
ship. then even though the rules may
not demand that both should be
placed on the Table of the House,
yet "I feel that conventions demand
that the interim report also should
be laid on the Table of the House.

The interim report was not the
result of a hasty conclusion They
pondered over the matter for eight
months and they were going into the
very urgent problem of the nation,
namely the creation and prolifera-
tion of black money, and they have
suggested some radical measures.
But we are vet to understand why
Government have not produced the
interim report. It is not as though
all the reports given by all the com-
mittees or all the recommendations
made bv the so-called committees are
accepted by Government. Government
can at any time pick and choose.
They are at liberty to do whatever
they want But so far, no sufficient
reason has been given for withhold-
ing the publication of the interim
report

I would say that Government are
themselves to blame for making Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu a James Bond type
hero, and I congratulate Shri Jyotir-
moy Bosu on his 007— operations We
all know that Government are m an
embarrassment. In my language there
is a proverb which describes this
kind of embarrassing situation. It Is
that faced by a Brahmin lady whose
dry meat had been stolen. She could
not cry; she could not complain and
she could not own the mistake also,
this is the situation which Govern-
ment are facing.

If Government themselves were
thinking in terms of introducing de-
monetisation, if at that stage, Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu had released the in-
terim report then Shri Bosu has
spoilt a good move by disclosing this
report publicly The guilt on the part
of the Government is more because
they have failed to keep a secret
document. I think Parliament and
the public have a right to know what
has hapoened. Is the report placed
on the Table of the House by Shri
Jyotirmoy Bosu the real one or is

it a fake one? If so, why did Gov-
ernment not place the same on th£
Table of the House? I hope the hon.
Minister will give a good explanation.

The Wanchoo Committee’s report
is a little disappointing to those who
wished that the jungle of tax laws
which confuse us, the tax payers and
the tax administrators would be
cleared. We all expected a simplifi-
cation and rationalisation of the en-
tire tax structure. But nothing of
that sort has happened. We all know
that taxation is the principal means
of redistributing the resources. But
it is our view that the Wanchoo
Committee’s report has failed to
view direct taxes and their role
vis-a-vis the e gnomic and social ob-
jectives. I do not think that the
Wanchoo Committee themselves are
to be blamed for this. Perhaps, the
terms of reference were so narrow
that they could not act otherwise.
But yet, for the first time, a detailed
and authoritative study has been
made on black money and the causes
for black money have been diagnos-
ed. Unfortunately, no data exist and
so, it is a guess work, and one can
only make a ‘guesstimate’ in regard
to the existence of black money in
various forms

The Wanchoo Committee have
listed various reasons for the emer-
gence of black money. But they have
failed to pinpoint the major foun-
tainhead of black money. The in-
come-tax payees are allowed an
amount of expenditure necessary to
create the income. Here is the loop-
hole which provides the income-tax
payee with a means to amass huge
sums of black money. But nothing
has been suggested by the Wanchoo
Committee tr> plug that loophole.
Unless that loophold is plugged, I
think the veneration of black money
will continue to grow.

MR CHAIRMAN: Now. the hon.
Member should try to conclude.

SHRI MTJRASOLI MARAN: Please
give me some more time. It is an im-
portant problem.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I sug-
gest that this may continue on Mon-
day, because It is a very important
disctission. We are working for six
davs a week and with no lunch-break.
After all, we are human beings, and

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156

our capacity to sit for longer hours
is limited. Just think of the people
sitting above, the press people who
have to make out a story. Again, how
about the staff of Lok Sabha Secre-
tariat?

MR. CHAIRMAN: We shall see.
Now. let the hon. Member try to
conclude his speech. •

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN: Dr
V. K. R. Varadaraja Rao had sug-
gested some kind of method, but
Shri N. K. P. Salve had disagreed
with it. I feel that instead of
taxes like income-tax and others, if
we have a big turnover tax, that
would do away with black money.
Whether one makes a profit or loss,
a tax should be there on the turn-
over. and I think that could solve
the problem to some extent.

Strangely, as pointed out by my
hon. friend, the Wanchoo Committee
have suggested that the taxation on
the highest income bracket should
be reduced from 97 5 per cent to 75
Der cent. It is very strange indieed.
We have no record to show that if
the tax on the highest income brac-
ket is reduced, they will not evade
income-tax

Black money came into existence
during the second world war. At that
time, the maximum rate of tax was
onlv 68 per cent. Ironically, it was
during that time that the term ‘black
money’ came into coinage.

There is a difference between this
Committee and the Bhoothalingam
Committee. The latter suggested that
the minimum exemption limit for
income tax should be raised Rs. 7,500.
In India there is a cry that taxation
is high. I agree it is high, for whom?
Not for the rich or syper-rich, but
for the Door and the middle Income
group. If the Bhoothalingam Com-
mittee’s recommendation had been
accepted in this regard, that would
have brought a good result.

MR. CHAIRMAN- There is one diffi-
culty. I will have to be strict now
with time. There are many speakers
on the list. We have to finish this
business today

SHRI PILOO MODY- The Congress
Party has exhausted its time.

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : Give
me three more minutes.

Direct Taxes
Enquiry Comm, (M)

If that recommendation had been
accepted, at least half of the staff
employed in the income-tax depart*
ment could do more productive work
and more than 2 million assessees
will be grateful to Government. I
think Government should consider
this kind of view.

Whenever we talk of black money
operating, there is an impression
abroad that only the rich industrialists
or moneybags are the culprits. It is
net so. It extends to small traders,
lawyers, doctors, small entrepreneurs.

SHRI PILOO MODY: Pan-wallas.

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN: Yes,
pan-wallas, selfemployed people. All
have black money according to their
capacity to earn. Where is the machi-
nery the Government of India have
to inspect and check this kind of
people 9 Pan-wallas are there not only
in towns where the income-tax de-
partment operates, but everywhere in
the country, doctors are there every-
where, self-employed people are there
everywhere These people are there
in every big village. As regards those
who are the big people in the towns,
the income-tax department can take
care of them. But the Government of
India have no proper machinery for
tackling 1 all these people.

Regarding income-tax, two things
happen Out of tax assessed, there
are huge arrears every year, to the
tune of Rs 500 crores. Secondly,
there are millions of income earners
who do not pav tax. Let us compare
these figures with the sales tax which
comes under the State Governments.
There the State Governments have
got the proper machinery. I think
evasion is less; arrears also should
be less if we compare them with
those of the income-tax department.

What I plead is that for income-tax
assessment and collection, the ma-
chinery of the State Governments
should be made use of. Even now
they are making use of it. If Shri
Piloo' Mody does not pav his tax, the
Collector will go to his hoU9e on the
request of the income-tax department.
But I say this is not enough. The
State Governments have the proper
machinery, It should be made use of.

*167 Rtpoot of BHADRA 4,

Secondly, a major lecomn .endalion
of the Wanchoo Committee is that in
the interest ot uniiormity and sta-
bility, the Central Government snould
assume the power to levy and ad-
minister tax on agricultural income.

SHRI FILOO MODY. Why not the
States themselves?

SHRI MURASOLI MAoAN. We
also agree that many industrialists
and him stars own i g farms and
also convert black money into white
money through these uevires. We do
not deny it. Cut should tr.e Centre
take away the right ot the States?
Now the entire India exLept 'iamil
Nadu is ruled by a single party Even
1.1 Tamil Nadu, ideologically we aie
not different from the ruling party
elsewhere. We never lag behind them
in socialist policies.

SHRI PILOO MODY- Shame on
you.

SIIRI MURaSOLI MARAN. In
this context, wny should not the
ruling party ask the Chic.’ Ministers
to put a tax on the rurai rich? It
could easily have 1 een done. Why did
they not do it 9

AN HON. MEMBER* Because it is
a State subject.

SHRI MURASOT I MARAN- In
Tamil Nadu, we have made a begin-
ning to tax the rural rich end we
know what followed. I do not want
to go into that controversy. But we
should do some heart-searching whe-
ther we are genuinely and honestly
interested in taxing agricultural in-
come. Even if the Centre takes the
power from the States, is there any
guarantee that it will effectively use
that taxing power 9 Those industria-
lists and film stars who now show big
incomes from their agricultural ope-
rations will later show huge losses
if the Centre link* income tax with
in agricultural income tax Today they
are showing profit because it is very
convenient for them to convert black
money into white If tomorrow you
link. the two, they will show huge
losses.

Moreover Tamil Nadu is complet-
ing the Und ceiling ooeration very
soon. If the Congress is sincere all
the State Governments will complete
their land ceiling cperaHons. Then

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I ask where will there be big land
holdings to tax? Theoretically no big
land holdings will be there for the
big industrialists who take shelter
under agriculture. •

a tew of the recommendations
of the Wanchoo Committee have been
highlighted. ^ Now I want to focus
attention on one of the most impor-
tant recommendations of the Com-
nfittee. It is on p. 129. It reads:

“We consider that the Central
Board of Direct Taxes should
not be a part of the Ministry
of Finance”

Why 9 They answer as follows:

“As it happens, the secretariat
offices function in an envi-
ronment where they are sus-
ceptible to political influences.
In a democracy, the elected
representatives of the people,
no doubt, have to formulate
and shape policies including
fiscal policies. It would be
unfortunate, however, if m
execution and implementation
of policy, there were ele-
ments of intrusion and inter*
icrence”.

I think this is the most revolutionary
suggestion made by the Committee
We know the result of not following
this system. Many leaders of State
Governments have become Governors
because the Government did not
follow this suggestion. I hope this
is an epoch-making, revolutionary
suggestion will be accepted by Gov-
ernment.

‘MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri D. D. Desai.

SHRI N. K. SANGHI (Jalore): Two
Congress members should be called
and then *an Opposition member
Otherwise, Congress members will
not get their chance.

MR. CHAIRMAN: We will finish
this business todav.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSIJ- On a
ooint of order under rule 376. The
list of business shows that the House
will rise at 6 p.m. Secondly, you must
not lose sight of the fact that tor*9v
is Saturday. You should not also
forget that we have been forming
the lunch hour since Monday. What
does the Government expect out o'
us? You mu*t mcke it 'flear

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SHRl PILOO MODY: Let Govern-
ment cut down their legislative pro-
gramme. Let them cut out useless
Bills which are being brought.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The
Chair has to function within its rights.
You cannot say that the House will
sit till 5 a.m. tomorrow.

MR. CHAIRMAN: It is true we
have been sitting continuously from
11 to 6. But whenever any subject
comes, extension of time is demanded
Next week we are very tight in
schedule. So we have to finish this
today.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I feel I
have not been able to impress on you
what we have at heart.

We have foregone the lunch-hour.
How much are we expected to work?
We just cannot do it. If you force us
this way, we have to think about a
different action.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Let us see. Mr.
D. D. Desai

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira). Mr.
Chairman, Sir, if one looks at the
composition of the Wanchoo Com-
mittee, one can say that they were
impartial people During the debate
many references have been made re-
garding black money and tax con-
cealments Also the quantum of the
black money turnover on which tax
is evaded has also been referred to.
They have been mentioned in the
Wanchoo Committee’s report.

17.26 hrs.

[Shri N. K. P Salve in the Chair],

Particular mention hasjjeen repeat-
edly made about'- the black money
turnover of Rs. 7,000 crores but for this
turnover one would not require Rs.
7,000 crores as such Anyone in busi-
ness would easily know and say that
for an annual turnover of Rs. 7.000
crores and, that if it is said that Rs.
1,400 crores is the income concealed
which means, 20 per cent of the turn-
over is net income, and when the best
balance-sheets do not disclose four to
five 'per cent as net income; the
amount required would not exceed
Rs. L400 crores to make a turnover
of, concealed deals of Rs. 7,000 crores.

The tax evaded annually has been
computed in report as Rs. 470 crores.
Tnat appeais to be on the higr.er side,
because, once the total amount of
blacx money is computed at Rs. 1 .400
crores or Rs. 1,500 crores, then we
can easily judge that over a long
period, the total amount concealed
is that Rs. 1,400 crores or Rs. 1,500
crores and the tax evaded would be
correspondingly lower. Further the
basis assumed by the Wanchoo Com
mittee for computing black deals has
been that of Kaldor. Here again, we
must know that the basis has since
changed. More assessees have come
in with the result that the incomes
have got distributed and so also
wealth and so also the tax liabilities.

Further, we observe that each time
reports are not taken in their totality,
being interlinked. An impression
exists that if we accept the recom-
mendations adverse to the assessee
and reject the recommendations
favouring the assessees, then we are
improving the exchequer’s resource"!
This could not be true Kaldor him-
self has recommended about 40 to 50
per cent as the maximum marginal
limit. We did not accept that. If we
look at lax from the other angle, to-
day, a tax assessee would put in
efforts, risks and so on, but be a 2j
rei’ cent commission agent of the
Gwvernment of India, if he has to
pay the highest rate. As against that,
it has been mentioned that if a 75 per
cent marginal maximum tax limit
was fixed, there would not be much
of tax loss, but again one must re-
cognise that 25 per cent of white
money that an assessee might get
wou’d bring him year after year such
income on it that he would make
efforts, run risks to earn and defini-
tely go in for thai 25 per cent saving
as against concealing the whole 100
per cent. He does not bke to take the
risk of losses, and if he makes an
earning, he gains only to the extent
of 21 per cent.

Then we come to the Tax Act itself.
Here, we find that up to 1939. we had
hardly 69 sections in the Tax Adt-'
Today, we have 299 sections in the
Taxation Act. This is complicating for
assessees, the collections and also the
procedure. To that extent, there must
bp some revision made in whatever

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legislation or recommendations we
make.

Then there is the question of the
total number of tax assessees. We
find that probably there are over
three million tax assessees today; it
is, about 3.2 million to 3.5 million;
any figure around that. But out of
that, nearly two million have hardly
an income above Rs. 7,500 a year.
Therefore, if we make this slab free,
probably the loss to the exchequer is
not more than Rs. 7 crores to Rs. 10
crores as was estimated by Bhhotha-
lingam Committee. But then the
department’s workload will be hardly
a million assessees and in that case,
they can discharge the responsibilities
better and more than make up in
taxes collected.

There has been mention made about
demonetising and even eliminating
transactions through currency. Replies
have been given in this House about
demonetisation, and I do not want to
repeat But eliminating transaction
through currency would not be a
proper thing, because, after all, cur-
rency is the medium, and the media
can change. So, even with a changed
medium, illegal transactions could be
done or devised and taxes avoided.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Mem-
ber's time is up.

SHRI D.D. DESAI : There should be
an incentive to produce, an incentive
to earn and an incentive to pay.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: To
which party does Mr. Desai belong?

SHRI D. D. DESAI : Dr. Rao has said
that business income is not flexible
and that any professionals like law-
yers, medical practitioners and so on
can adjust their incomes but business
or industry cannot and will up or
down their incomes. Believe me. Sir,
industry or business can do that, make
losses also, and if there is no return,
certainly indifference creeps in and
a certain amount of indifferences is
sure loss and thus a loss of tax re-
venue can also take place.

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL
(Moradabad): Mr. Chairman, Sir,

black money is growing every day.
The common man feels that the
present Government is neither
serious not sincere to unearth blade
n\oney. Black money and blackmail
are the essential virtues* of the pre-
sent Government. It is well known
that the present Government will not
accept either the interim report or
the final report. It is very obvious
from the speeches made by the Con-
gress Members.

We know that the Wanchoo Com-
mittee has made five majof recom-
mendations. First, demonetisation;
second, a ceiling on cash holdings;
third, reduction in tax rates; fourth,
removing controls and permits; and
fifth, strengthening of the tax ad-
ministration I support all these five
recommendations of the Wanchoo
Committee.

The democratic functioning makes
it obligatory on the part of the
Government to be guided entirely
by public opinion. Rightly or wrong-
ly, public opinion in this country
feels that demonetisation is the only
solution to end black money. If the
Government does not resort to
demonetisation, that would simply
imply that the present Government
has got a share in black money.
Therefore, it is not a question of go-
ing into the merits of the problem.
Whether demonetisation is wrong or
right, the Government have been do-
ing a large number of things which
are not in the interests of the people.
The people of this country are con-
vinced that demonetisation is the
only solution to solve the problem
of black money. Therefore, if this
House and the country are to be
guided by pybic opinion— and we
know that any democratic country
has to be euided by public opinion 5 —
then, surely public opinion in this
country is that demonetisation would
be the only solution for unearthing
black money

I know the reply that the Finance
Minister gave the other day, namely,
demonetisation will not be good for
the country when there is a debate
ffoing on in Parliament here, on
demonetisation. I do agree with it.
But it is true that the country is de-

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manding demonetisation, from the
Government, because the country is
convinced that this Government has
developed vested interests in black
money. Therefore, it is not necessary
that the Government should declare
demonetisation today. Let the Govern-
ment wait and see for the right time
to demonetise. Demonetisation is a
must, and if demonetisation is not
done, the common man will believe,
the nation will believe that this
Government has got a share in the
black money and their party has got
a share in black money I would like
to make that point emphatically
clear.

We have just heard the argument
against ceiling on cash holdings also.
I do not really see any reason why
we should not place a ceiling on cash
holdings.

SHRI K. R. GANESH: Black deeds.
(Interruption)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Black
deals by R. P. Goenka?

SHRI K. R. GANESH: I am talk-
ing about black deeds. ( Interruptions )

MR. CHAIRMAN: What is it?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a
point of order under rule 376. The
hon. Minister just now said, loud
enough to be heard by some of us,
that we were taking recourse to cer-
tain tactics. What tactics is he talk-
ing about? Is it about black money?
Is it R P. Goenka’s patronage, the
posters? What is it about? I want
to know.

MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no
point of order.

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL:
Talking about ceilings on cash hold-
ings and the national debate on the
subject, I would support the demand
of Mr. Bose that the interim report
must be published, if the Govern-
ment wants that people should have
confidence In its decency, if the
Government want that the people
shouldTiave confidence in the present
Government

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AN HON. MEMBER: That is why
they have elected this Government.

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL:...
what is the difficulty for the Govern-
ment to place the interim report be-
fore the House?

Finally, I know that it is true that
democracy always functions through
committees and commissions. But if
the reports of such commissions and
committees are not paid full at-
tention by the Government and
they remain in the shelves of the
various Ministries allowing to get
dust accumulated on them, I can
tell you people will start losing faith
in the democratic structure. There-
fore every possible attention need
be paid to valuable suggestions made
by the Wanchoo Committee; we must
go into the various issues. I know
that various derogatory remarks have
been made about the integrity of
justice Wanchoo which I must con-
demn them with all my force No
decent man in this country, no man
of integrity would like to be asso-
ciated with any Government activity
if any derogatory remarks are made
about the integrity, about justness
of a man like Mr Justice Wanchoo.
That point we must understand. We
must pay respect to the recommen-
dations that the Wanchoo committee
had made. Wanchoo committee had
made various estimates; we may have
difference of opinion. I know data
is not available But Wanchoo com-
mittee has estimated black money
at Rs. 1,400 crores. I, know in 1965-
66 while Mr. T. T Krishnamachari
was the Finance Minister of this
country he had told me that black
money did not exceed Rs. 1,000 crores
in this country. These are various
estimates that are being made. The
question is, while income-tax rates
have risen from 82 to 98 per cent,
this is an incentive for tax evasion.
If the reward of tax evasion is great-
er than there Is no tendency towards
declaration. A very high incidence
of tax puts a premium on honesty
and makes evasion profitable. The
Public Acteounts Committee in its
17th report said the Government
should adopt a fiscal policy that tax
evasion is unrewarding. The present
rates are almost confiscatory.

165 Rtpcrt of BHABRA 4,

Lastly, I can say that it is being
argued that the Wanchoo committee
recommendations are not in accor-
dance with the economic and social ob-
jectives of the Congress Party. I want
to know, What are the objectives of
the Congress Party? What is the phi-
losophy of the Congress Party? Is it
the philosophy to produce corrupt, in-
efficient man or to produce an econo-
mic structure based on honesty, effi-
ciency and enterprise? I take it for
granted that the Congress Party can-
not stand for corruption or dishonesty,
it must stand for honesty, and effi-
ciency and therefore I do not see how
any Government on earth can ever
check black money without reducing'
tax rates. Similarly, I would support
what Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao has said.
Government must go into the whole
question of controls, permits and
licences. It is equally true that the
poor is being burdened unnecessarily.

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude.

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL- I
feel that the common man i s having a
huge burden because of high tax rate
and prices. He must be given tax ex-
emption upto Rs. 7,500. If these two
proposals are accepted by the Govern-
ment, then both the proposals will not
bring about a loss of more than Rs. 52
crores to the Government, which can
go a long way not only to unearth
black money but also to raise the rate
of saving and investment which I
think is absolutely essential for build-
ing a socialist society in India.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Stephen.

SHRI PILOO MODY: The Congress
Party has exhausted its time .
(Interruptions). Prof. Rao spoke for
fifty minutes.

MR. CHAIRMAN: It has got one
hour and 25 minutes. Dr. Rao spoke
for 36 minutes and I spoke for 24
minutes. Mr. Desai spoke for six
minutes— making a total of 66 minutes.
These are the calculations.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu-
puzha): Rising to speak on this docu-
ment, I am conscious of a very impor-
tant fact that this House is discussing

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a report which could have been of a
very vital importance to the 'economy
of our country. But the trend of dis-
cussion and debate, and the method in
which the discussion was initiated and
the act of adventurism Mr. Bosu de-
monstrated have done more disservice
to the country than any service. Mr.
Chairman, you «spoke from this side
and Dr. Rao also, and both of you
have dealt with different proposals of
this report and I do not want to cover
the same ground.

I do want to highlight another aspect
as between the Government and Mr.
Bosu, the way in which the report was
handled by the Government on the
one hand and Mr. Bosu on the other
hand I specifically say Mr. Bosu, be-
cause I do not identify him with the
entire opposition, nor even with the
party to which he says he belongs,
because I do not find much of enthus-
iasm in the party generally on the
line he has taken.

This report was not put in cold
storage by the Government. The re-
port was discussed by the Consultative
Committee of Parliament which met
recently and at two sittings elaborate
discussions took place. More than that,
I understand that under the auspices
of the Government themselves, a na-
tional seminar was organised wherein
economists, professors, financiers and
persons from different walks of life
participated and detailed discussions
took place for over two days I am
sure this report must have been
studied by serious persons who count
and who are going to execute this.
That is the wav a report of this nature
has got to be handled.

A specific question was asked: why
pot publish the interim report? Was
there any need to publish it? Would it
have done any service to public at
large? Demonetisation is a matter
which he highlighted. If the Govern-
ment wanted to accept demonetisation
proposals, nothing would have been
more foolish than publishing the re-
port to give the warning that demo-
netisation was coming. On the other
hand, if the Government do not want
to accept the demonetisation proposal,
government would certainly be doing

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[Shri C. M. Stephen]

a havoc to the economy and the mone-
tary structure of this country, giving
fright to the people by officially pub-
lishing th*s demonetisation recommen-
dation, by giving an indication that
there is a possibility for demonetisa-
tion to come through. Either way, it
would have been caus’ng havoc for the
government to publish the report on
demonetisation. Therefore, I should
compliment the government for the
act of sanity, sobriety, maturity and
administrative efficiency and foresight
they showed in treating this report as
secret which considering the recom-
mendations made in this report.

I entirely agree with the submissions
made here about the contents of the
report. I do not want to go into that.
But I will deal with the way in which
our hon friend, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu,
handled it. He has said so many things
about the Prime Minister I am not
bothered about it because the Prime
Minister is tall enough to stand up to
any slander. But what did he do 9 Let
us look at it from a moral standpoint.
The document which he produced the
so-called interim report, is either
genuine or not genuine. If it is ge-
nuine, then I submit it is a stolen pro-
perty. I can understand a journalist
making a scoop. But before the Par-
liament of India, a sovereign body, a
Member comes with a particular do-
cument, saying here is a document I
have stolen, and the document is
placed before the House That docu-
ment was not initially placed on the
Table of the House. He made an^appli-
cation to the Speaker. Pending ’consi-
deration by the Speaker, he distributes
copies of that to the press In fact, a
question of privilege arises . . (Inter-
ruptions). It. is stipulated in the rules
that where a notice is given, before
the notice is disposed of by the
Speaker the concerned document shall
not be published. That is a specific in-
junction contained in the rules Any-
way, I did not give notice of a privi-
lege motion . . . ( Interruptions ).

By bringing this document before
the House, by repeatedly shouting
about demonetisation, by giving notice
to the entire country that this matter
was before the government, what has

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happened? Prices have gone up. Even
the twenty rupee note which was re-
cently issued is not seen. Persons who
have got black money have changed it
into small denomination notes and
they are in a safe position.

Shri Bosu makes an allegation
against us that we are hand in glove
with people who have black money.
Now I put the allegation on him that
this was not an innocent performance
of his. It was a calculated, deliberate
attempt to play the role of an agency
of certain people who have black
money, giving warning to these people
so that they may . . (Interruptions),
This is what has happened. This is a
very important matter. This is the
result of his action. By the discussion
of this topic the prices have gone up,
the gold prices have gone up, small
denomination notes have just gone
underground and persons who have
got black money have changed it and
they are now in a safe position.
Though he now puts on or assumes
the image of a diilerent person, this
is what he has done.

Now that my time is up, I want to
spy only one thing about demonetisa-
ti :n before concluding Demonetisa-
tion is not so simple a matter. If de-
monetisation is effected, lakhs and
lakhs of people in the rural areas,
workers who may have a few hundred
rupee notes with them will have to
declare them and they will be in a
calamitous position and may be other
consequences may follow. I do not
want to go into the details, but I do
want to deal with this aspect of the
matter. The way Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu
initiated the debate, the way he
brought forward the interim report,
the way he made noise about demo-
netisation, by that he was making a
deliberate attempt to safeguard the
blackmarketeers, people with black
money. That is why he initiated that.

I say that this government must
take drastic steps for the purpose of
combating black money. Apart from
that, our socio-economic fabric has to
be changed. That is the only answer
to combat black money. This sort of
gimmicks have to be faced up. I appeal
to the government to initiate steps
and make an inquiry as to how this

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stealing took place from the archives
of the government. That inquiry has
to be instituted. With these words, I
conclude.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra):
Mr. Chairman, Sir, today I have
heard Shri Stephen make the most
enlightening speech that has ever
been heard in any Parliament of any
country in the world He has actually
stated "that it is Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu
who is responsible for the circulation
of the black money in this country
and that he, his leader and his party,
are totally absolved from all res-
ponsibility for having brought about
and created this black money in the
last 20 years or more The Congress
Party has been fooling the people
all these years by saying that they
are anxious to eradicate black money
I charge this Government of the most
blatant hypocrisy every time they
mention they are interested in eradi-
cating black money because they are
lust not interested in eradicating it.
They have from time to time brought
experts, instituted committees, called
upon commissions to examine the
question

The question of eiadicating black-
money requires no examination, re-
quires no study, but a modicum of
eommonsense which I cannot possi-
bly credit this Government with If
T had been asked ten years ago to
give on two type-written sheets how
black monev can be eradicated, I
would have given them the same con-
clusion which they have arrived at
after having gone through all these
tortuous processes of consulting ex-
perts, committees and commissions

Thev appointed a committee; by
all m^ans, bv all methods the most
unexceptional committee consisting
of Justice Wanchoo and many others,
experts in their own fields, and that
committee with great pains, with
great care, with great effort sought
to find out how this blackmoney has
accumulated and how it can be
cured.

17.52 hrs.

[Shri K, N. Tiwari in the Chair].

When the Wanchoo Committee
Report had been published, what

happened? The Young Turks of the
Congress Party, I do not know
whether they were led or misted by
Shri Salve himself, started casting
derogatory remarks against the
Wanchoo Committee Report — at one
time Shri Salve himself g&t up and
said that this leport could have been
written by the Swatantra Party, as
if this was the greatest smear that
he* could put oft the Wanchoo Com-
mittee Report After all, if the
Government were anxious to produce
a report which reflected their own
thinking, I do not see why they did
not appoint a committee or com-
mission consisting of Shri Mohan
Kumaramangalam as its Chairman,
Shri K R. Ganesh, Shri Raghunatha
Reddy, Shn S. M Banerjee, Shri
Chanrlrajoet Yadhav and Shri N.K.P.
Salve so that he could point cut all
the loopholes m the suggestions that
they made

SHRI K. R GANESH: Thai Com-
mittee would not be complete with-
out an agency I hope he will pro-
vide that agency

SHRI PILOO MODY: I do not know
how I can possibly represent the KGB.
In case he likes, I can give him a list
of the names of the persons belonging
to the agencies of the KGB, from top
to bottom in order of priority and pro-
tocol. Do not give me any nonsense
about agencies It is all in his mind.

Coming back to the Committee, it
was an honest Committee consisting
of decent people m this country who
were entrusted with a decent job of
work to do and who have done a de-
cent job; and they came out with a
report only to find it being smeared
by those people who are much too
clever by half. ,

It was, after all, Mr. Kaldor who
came here many years ago, in 1956,
and suggested a method by which
black money can be eradicated. He
suggested a tax structure which if it
had been employed by them, today
there would have been hardly any
black nomey in this country. But this
Government could not, cannot'and is
not willing to accept any rational sug-
gestion which will eradicate black
money from this country. For obvious

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CShti Piloo Modyjv

reasons, which we understand only
too well, not a single one of them
would have been elected to this House
but for the fact that black money is
available to them from morning, noon
and night, year in and year out, day
in and day out. None of them would
have been here . . ( Interruptions ).

SHRI K. R. GANESH: Tt is a wild
allegation . . .

MR. CHAIRMAN Mr Piloo Mody,
you are casting an aspersion on all
your colleagues on this side of the
House . . .

. SHRI PILOO MODY: I am prepared
to exempt you.

MR CHAIRMAN* I am one of them.
This is very objectionable.

SHRI PILOO MODY* When ho gets
up and makes an accusation of people
belonging to agencies, this and that,
his voire gets choked m his mouth
But when somebody makes a little
allegation which is a hundred per cent
right, he shivers and starts raising ob-
jections It is time that somebody
spoke the truth.

SHRI K R. GANESH It is a wrong
allegation

SHRI PTLOO MODY; It is time you
learnt the truth.

SHRI K R GANESH* It is time
somebody called you this . (Inter-
ruptions).

SHRI P K DEO (Kalabandi) ■ He

has got the right of rt?ply.

SITRI K. R GANESH* He will go
away; he wiM not sit here to h n ar
my reply. (Inter ruptiort)

SHRI R D BHANDARE (Bombay
Central): On a point of order. Sir.

M r Pi 1 no Mody has made certain
remarks- T will not use the word
‘allp^alJon’ "hu'h cast an aspersion
on the Members of this honourable
House. It is derogatory not only to
the honourable House but also to the

Members to say that but for black
money, they would not have been able
tc come to this House. This is a repre-
sentative form of Government. We
have been elected by the people un-
less he goes to the extent of saying
that without even votes we have
come here.

SHRI PILOO MODY: That is also
true in some cases.

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE: It is not
in keeping with the dignity of the
House. Therefore, his remarks which
arc derogatory to the House and to
the Members must be expunged from
the records

SHRI PILOO MODY: Never.

SHRI R D. BHANDARE: Have I
made the point clear? He says, but
for the black money, we would not
have been elected to this House. This
is do ’oratory to the House and to
the Members. Ours is a parliament-
ary democracy Under the Constitu-
tion, we have been elected by the
people These remarks should be ex-
punged

Under the People’s Representation
Act, we have made a provision that
certain amount would be spent on
elections. Under the People’s Re-
presentation Act, wc are allowed to
spend certain amount. If that amount
is to be called black money, then,
I think— I am not making an allega-
tion or an accusation— he is making
derogatory remarks against the
House and against the Members.
Therefore, these remarks should be
expunged

18 hrs.

MR CHAIRMAN- I will look into
the records There is one thing. It
is not in verv good taste, what you
have' said about your colleagues on
the Congress Benches sitting here . . .
(Interruptions).

SHRI R D BHANDARE: I have
made a point of order. You have not
given your ruling. You have only
made an observation that it is not
befitting the hon. Member to say
that. The hon. Member says specifi-
cally that \ve have been elected with

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the help of black money. That is
derogatory to the Members and the
House. Therefore, it ought to be ex-
punged.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I will look to
the rules and the records also.

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE: After
looking into the records, you ex-
punge it

SHRI PILOO MODY: What is your
ruling. Sir?

MR. CHAIRMAN: I will look to
the rules and the records. Then, I
will come to a decision.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a

would like to make one very per-
tinent objection on the percentage
of highest taxation slab that the
Wanchoo Committee recommend,
that is, of 75 per cent. This is very
pertinent to note that in ]£56 it was
permissible for an expert to get up
and say that in order to eradicate
black money, you have to bring
down the maximum slab of taxation
to 45 per cent. It is indeed strange
that within 15 years, we have been
so brain-washed, so completely
frightened, so completely injected
with fear m our minds and thinking
that it is with the greatest hesita-
tion that the Wanchoo Committee
reported and managed to bring it
down to 75 per cent.

point of order, Sir.

I thought Mr. Bhandare was a
knowledgeabe person. At one point,
he was going to be the* Law Minister
in the last House. If he looks at Rule
380, it does not say about derogatory
remark. I am most disappointed

SHRI PILOO MODY: Sir, to the
best of my knowledge, I have not said
anything that is unparliamentary and
requires to be expunged. I have not
been elected to the House of the
People, to the Indian Parliament,
only to say things that this Govern-
ment would like to hear or to flatter
my colleagues as far as the House
is concerned. If he wants my flattery,
he will have to come out in the
Lobby or in the Central Hall. I am
not prepared to flatter them in the
House; T am here to speak the truth.

This is as I see it. If this is what
I feel has been happening in the
country, it is my birth-right to be
able to say it in the Parliament of
this country. If it is unparliamen-
tary according to the rules, by all
means, expunge it. I certainly will
not be a party to any expunging of
what I have said so far. What I
might say in future is subject to
your ruling, Sir.

I was* talking about the various
committees and commissions that
have been appointed from time to
time, first Kaldor, then the Bhoo-
thalingam Committee Report, now
• the Wanchoo Committee Report. I

If you were to go back to the
Wanchoo Committee and ask them,
“Do you really think 75 per cent
is enough?”, they will say, “No. But
we were afraid of suggesting a fur-
ther reduction for fear that the en-
tire report would be thrown out.”

I say this only to illustrate the
sort of propaganda offensive, the sort
of brain-washmg, that the entire
country is going through so that even
dispassionate advice tends at times
to be somewhat hesitant.

Prof. Rao made several, rather
interesting suggestions.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Where
is he?

SHRI PILOO MODY; He has gone
home. He only comes to make
speeches.

Being a professor, he has, of course,
seen carried away. But there is one
Lung that he £aid, that payment
•hall not* be made in, cash that is
worth considering. It is a very good
idea. Nobody likes to make payment
in cash I myself have very often
been inconvenienced by the fact
that I did not have enough cash
with me: I had to carry so much cash
with me in order to make a particu-
lar purchase which I could not make
bv cheque or any other document,
that it had made me uncomfortable,
ttierefore, I think that some method
is necessary by which less and less
:ransactions take place in cash. Un-

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fortunately this cannot be done by
legislation. Unfortunately the Pro-
fessor b^mg highly technical had
gone beyond himself. What should
be done is that the banking system
should be m-ade better as in European
countries or in America. You do
not have very serious difficulties in
encashing cheques there, and I cer-
tainly do not want to say that we in
India are more dishonest or less
dishonest that we cannot adopt this
system easily. I grant you that there
are certain difficulties, particularly
in rural areas where you have a
shortage of banks and their bran-
ches. But it is a very good idea.

Then another suggestion which Dr.
V. K. R. V. Rao has made, which is
excellent from every point of view
and unexceptionable, is that the
transactions which take place on
property and things like that, should
be in the public gaze, in the public
domain. Nothing destroys as much
as public exposure. Therefore, I
would like the Government to have
the names of tax-evaders posted up,
to have their names published. I
would like to see the transactions
taking place in the open and not in
a clandestine fashion where nobody
knows what the relevant details of
the contracts are. Even about the
system that the Government has
started of publishing peoples in-
comes etc, at first I thought that it
was m questionable taste, but from
the sort of corruption and nepotism
I see today m which the * entire
country has been shrouded, 1 think
it is a very good idea. We must have
public exposure of those who evade
and break the law But then there
must be a* certain rationality about
the law itself. There must be some
reasonableness about the law; the
law must be such that people like
to obey it. After all, the way the
tax structure is at present fixed, no
man in the country who works or
has ihe capacity to work will want
to work. This the sort of society
that they have created.

1 ,1 have said this once before. All
■that we have managed to create
'after 25 years of Independence as a
value for our society Is the value of

being poor. With the language tussle
and the educational tussle that have
been going on, we have now added
another dimension to the values that
we have created for our country—
the value of being ignorant— so that
if you are poor and ignorant, you
can inherit this country. But if yqu
are hard-working, if you are talent-
ed, if you have skill, if you have
entrepreneurship, if you have any
capacity, this country is no tit place
for you to live in. These are the
values that we have created after
25 years of self-government.

When I hear discussions on Bills,
reports and Commissions, all the
time evading the basic issues and
going round and round on the peri-
phery, trying to get a little bit here
and a little bit there, trying to gain
political leverage out of a situation,
I get angry, when what you want is
to dean up society, and when I find
my colleagues, whom you say I
should treat with love and respect,
getting up and defending this sort
of things, it makes my blood boil.

It is with these words that I re-
quest that Goverrrent accept the
Wanchoo Committee report in toto
if it is serious about eradicating
black money, and fiddle with it if
it is not

18.10 hrs.

BUSINESS ADVISORY COM-
MITTEE

Sixteenth Report

SHRI R. V BADE (Khargone):
Sir, I beg to present the Sixteenth Re-
port of the Business Advisory Com-
mittee

MOTION RE FINAL REPORT OF
THE DIRECT TAXES ENQUIRY
COMMITTEE— contd.

SHRI N. K. SANGHI (Jalore):
Sir, today we are discussing a very
serious matter. We are considering
the final report of the Direct Taxes
Enquiry Committee which was laid
on the Table of the House on the 20th
March, 1972. It is a very important
subject. The whole House is exercis-
ed over this matter and every Mem-

177 Report of BHADBA 4, 1894 (SAKA) direct Taxes Enquiry 178

Comm. (M)

ber has been wanting that some de-
sirable changes are brought about in
the taxation structure of our coun-
try.

When the Wanchoo Committee was
appointed, it issued a questionnaire
to be replied to and I am glad to
say that I had the privilege of ans-
wering the questionnaire and also
appearing before the Committee to
give evidence for more than four
hours before the Committee.

The Pinal Enquiry Committee Re-
port that we have received, I think
the committee has done a very help-
ful task. They have received and
taken voluminous evidence and they
have still found it possible to sub-
mit this report in the quickest possi-
ble time, and it is really a matter on
which the members of the committee
should be congratulated.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSIJ: Which
report? The interim report or the
final report?

SHRI N. K. SANGIil. It would be
very njee to go into a little back-
ground of the tax structure in this
country; particularly on the direct
taxes administration, after Indepen-
dence, we have had as many as six
committees. In 1947, we had the Tax
Investigation Committee; then we
had the Mathai Commission; later,
we had the Direct Taxes Inquiry
Committee’s report of Shri Tyagi,
which resulted in the bringing for-
ward of the new tax law of 1961.
Thereafter, we had the Bhoothalin-
gam Committee’s report, and now
the Wanchoo Committee’s report is
before us I am glad that we are to-
day having an opportunity to discuss
the Wanchoo Committee’s report in
this House.

Whenever we have a report of a
commission, it gives out many re-
commendations which dome before
the House, before the public and
before the Parliament and the
people. That is exactly what has been
done by the Wanchoo Committee’s
report. There have been more than
400 directions and recommendations
that this Committee has brought
before uS. It is always that no one
Member would agree to every one of
the recommendations; there would

be recommendations with which one
person might agree and the others
might disagree.

1?.13 hrs.

[Shri R. D. Bhandare in the Chair],

There will be a number of recom-
mendations op which they will have
divergent opinions. But we have
really to take stock of the things as
a whole. Before the report of a
committee is submitted by an ex-
pert body, they take evidence, they
take the administrative difficul-
ties into account and they take into
account also all the consequences
that are there in the country be-
cause of the proliferation of black
money and various other matters.
Therefore, we shall have to take this
report a little more seriously.

Today, what is happening in the
society. We find there is a crisis of
confidence in society. There is no
doubt that everyone says that there
is proliferation of black money.
Everybody today is, however, going
towards black money and thinking
of how to make some easy money to
live by, and that has become the
bane of the society; the attention of
everyone, including the politicians,
the statesmen, the services and the
bureaucracy is being focussed on
this vagary which is spreading in
this country cancerously and also
in the other parts of the world. But
there is a crisis of confidence today
in our country, when we say that
we have no faith in the tax adminis-
tration. After Independence, we
have seen that people have lost faith.
When it comes to the politicians, they
say that the bureaucracy is corrupt;
when /it comes to the bureaucracy,
they say that the people are dis-
honest; when it comes to the tax-
recovering inspector, he feels that
the assessce is dishonest and he is
not doing his job honestly. When it
comes to the assessee, he feels that
the politicians are not behaving pro-
perly and the tax administrator of
the Government is not doing his
job properly This goes on in a vici-
ous circle. Instead of having any
remedial measures we find that we
have been going on proliferating the
whole matter. Without proper eauca-

Report t AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct Teues Enquiry MO

[Shri N. K. SanghiJ' 4 ?:

tion, with the price#' rising and with
the multiplicity of Controls that are
going on today in the country, with
the situation that we have, where
the value of the rupee has gone
down during the last decade by more
than 50 per cent, we have really
brought ourselves to a difficult situa-
tion. It is really a problem to be
solved with a lot of restraint.

In the wake of this, we have re-
ceived this Wanchoo Committee's
report, and I am sure that this report
wul give us the desired light and
direction, if only we would care to
work on it.

I am reminded, Sir, of a story in
this connection. There was a king
who did not believe in anyone’s
honesty and who thought that every-
one was dishonest. He wanted a gold
crown to be made ior him. So, he
called one of the best goldsmiths and
told him. ‘You have to make me a
gold crown, but it has to be made in
my presence only’ The gold:mith
worked for a number of days and
made a crown. When the crown was
ready, the goldsmith said ‘New, it
will have to be polished, and for po-
lishing it, I shall have to put it in a
particular acid, and after I take it
out from the acid, you will have the
crown ready’. The king agreed, he
thought that the crown was ready by
then and, therefore, there was no
harm in allowing the goldsmith to
take the crown and put it into the
particular acid in order to purify it
and polish it After 24 hours, the
crown was brought to the king. The
crown was really dazzling, and it was
very nice, and the king was happy.

Comm, (if)

house. I put it in add and this is
what I have got, a non-gen uine
crown’.

This is the sort of crisis of trust
from which we are suffering today.
One does not believe the other.
Whatever work is given by on’e to
another is not carried out sincerely
and there is lack of confidence
everywhere. We will have to find
out ways and means by which we
can revive this confidence. Today the
junior officer does not respect the
senior officer. The C.B.I. is after the
officers and the officers are after the
assessees. In this mess, we have to
find a solution and I think if we
take care of this Report before us,
it will go a long way in helping
us to do so.

The alleged Interim Report of the
Wanchoo Committee that has been
laid on the Table by Shri Bosu, whe-
ther it is the genuine one or not is
not important, but because of the
fact of its having been laid on the
Table, attracted a lot of comments,
editorials and reactions. There are
certain points in it which have been
highlighted, particularly, demoneti-
sation, a ceiling on cash holdings etc.
All these matters are there. But
what we are really concerned with
is what is contained in the final re-
port and the direction in which the
recommendations made therein go.

My hon. friend. Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao,
said that there should really be re-
liance on more banking operations,
that every person should operate
through banks for payment wherever
he can It is a very good suggestion.
But the question is: can we really
make it practicable? " •

The goldsmith then said: ‘Oh King,
the crown you are wearing is not
ihade of gold, but of some other
alloy’. This was a revelation to the
king because for the last 25 or 30
days the goldsmith was working at
it in his presence. So he thought
how it could be other than gold. But
the goldsmith said- ‘You did not be-
lieve me. I am a goldsmith and I
wanted to make a good job of it,
But since you did not believe me
and since you wanted everything to
.cs.-done i n your presence. I have
twin making and chiselling another
crown of the same type in my

I remember a recent incident. A
friend of mine was getting his dau-
ghter married For this purpose, he
drew a loan from Government of
Rs 4,000 He wanted to take it to
Jodhpur. But the banker suggested
that instead of taking it by a draft,
he could take it in traveller’s cheque
which he could encash at Jodhpur
conveniently and easily either in part
or in whole. But to his misfortune,
when he went to Jodhpur to cash
it. the State Bank of Bikaner in
Jodhpur look 3 .hours because thi s
wag the. first traveller’s cheque that
had come t 6 that bank for encash-

ill Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SARA) Dit&l Teats Enquiry 182

i Comm. {$£)

patent, and until he went to the Gene-
ral Manager, he could not get it
cashed.

This is really what is preplexing
the society. We have recently seen the
bank clearance strike in Rajasthan.
Crores of rupees remained uncleared
by the Bank putting the people to a
huge loss. There is presently a strike
by the Reserve Bank staff at Calcutta.
There are innumerable difficulties.
There should be a judicious method
by which we conduct operations
smoothly and to the satisfaction of all.
In this the Wanchoo Committee Re-
port can help us.

There are about 400 recommenda-
tions made in that copious report
made by a man of the highest inte-
grity, a man with the highest judicial
knowledge in the country, Shri
Wanchoo. I am sure this a report
which we should not overlook or take
lightly. Government should go
through the report in its entirely and
accept those recommendations which
are administratively feasible and
give effect to them so that we can
have a better tax structure and there
can be an atmosphere of confidence
in society which will help in building
a better society.

Shri Baladhandayutham told us
that many social and economic
changes are necessarv. We are
not lagging behind in bringing about
social and economic changes. Today
we are marching hand in hand for
the emancipation of the common
man. Whether it was nationalisation
of banks or nationalisation of the in-
surance companies or the matter of
land ceiling or ceiling on rural
wealth, without minding about vote-
catching, we have brought about the
necessary social and economic chan-
ges. The Darty is fully aware of its
responsibilities to the people and wo
are going faster than all the Opposi-
tion parties put together.

T hope the Central Government will
take the Wanchoo Committee report
seriously and proceed in the direction
indicated therein so that we bring
about a better tax structure in the
country.

Our tax administration requires a
. lot of changes. One of the suggestions

made by the Committee is that there
should be an independent, autoiKH
mous Board of Revenue. If this will
bring about the desired change, I see
nothing wrong in implementing this
recommendation. We hsflre autono-
mous bodies like the P & T and many
others. It is high time we accepted
this and many other recommendations
which would ehable us to build a
better society where man can breath
freely, where the rich and poor march
hand in hand and we have less of class
distinction in the country and we can
really be proud of this country. With
these words, I hope the Finance Mi-
nistry will look into the whole
matter for the betterment of the tax
structure -in the country.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Bcgusarai): Mr Chairman, Sir, really
I am in a peculiar predicament. The
time that falls to my share is so ridi-
culously brief according to your cal-
culus, that I would be making myself
ridiculous too. if I attempt to make
anv rr" imugful contribution to this
debate.

You will realise that we have to
deal with a voluminous report of 272
pages, containing recommendations of
the order of 267 I cannot even touch
the fringe of this voluminous report.
So may I concentrate my at tent’ on on
the most burning topic of the day, that
is. Hack money. Black money, to my
mind, is the progeny of black politics,
and so long as black politics remains
in command, we will always have
blacfc money and black economy. So
long as the present political constella-
tion exists and may I say also, the
kind of political regime that we have
in the country exists, there will be
no pnlitTcal will to eradicate black
mnnev In fact there would he a
pronounced lendrney in the contrary
direction, ramelv to augment black
money so as to freelv draw upon it.
That is v~rv much in evidence today.

One positive evidence that one
would like to have from the political
set-un cf the dav is— if thev want to
show mv nehtical will and commit-
ment to eradicate b'ack money — they
should come forward with a law
which would oblige every political

Report (

AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct T<m* Enquiry 184

Comm, (fit)

tShri ShyamnandfB Mishra]

party td«declare its respective receipts
and expenditures, thgir assets and lia-
bilities. Are they prepared to do this?
If they are, not prepared to do that.
I would say that they are not going
to bring the political will and com-
mitment to eradicate black money.

As I told you, I am feally in a pe-
culiar predicament due to lack of
time. I would, therefore, content
myself by reading out a limerick on
the Wanchoo Committee report, a
small limerick:

Why not enjoy the magical bloom,
Why do we want to revel in
gloom?

Black money and tax evasion,
Sovereign remedies for democra-
tic erosion.

Massive mandate foi Garibi
Hatao,

Anti-prohibition and Khoob Filao,
Would you have them if you
heed

Jyotirrroy’s nonsensical plead?
Let us celebrate this colourful
marnage.

Politics and money have wonder-
ful carriage.

Attempts to weaken the basis of
stability,

How can we put up with this
audacity.

Gems in the crown, the great
Navarathnam

Led by Goenka and Chidambaram

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Maruthi
Limited.

SHRI SHYAMANDAN MISHRA:
Let me complete the limerick:

Socialist lamp gives dazzling light
Fuelled by the capitalist nute.
The Wanchoo Report, interim and
final

Is for debate and decent burial.
With this, I end.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar):
Sir, I would like to make a submission.
We are discussing a very important
subject, and because of the late hour

L/J(N)8IiSS— 1,010— 14-11-72— GIPS

there is no quorum in the House. Most
of the Members have gone, (Interrupt'
tions). I would request you to allow
this discussion to continue oh Mon-
day and adjourn the House now, be-
cause there is no quorum.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir I
am raising a point of order.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Under what
rule’

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Under
rule 376, I am surprised I have to
quote the- rules for Mr. Bhandare who,

I am sure can quote from memory. I
take lessons from you

MR. CHAIRMAN: You are taking
too mu'-h of liberty

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am on
a point of order under rule 376.

We are sitting on a Saturday; we
have foregone our lunch hour. We are
tiled, physically and mentally, our-
selves, those who are with us, namely,
visitors, people around here, Lok
Sabha staff

DR KAILAS (Bombay South): Un-
fortunately, there is no time on Mon-
day

SHRI P M MEHTA- Even now
theie is no quorum. The Minister
has to intervene and then the hon.
Member will reply. It will teke a long
time (Interruptions). This is not the
uay to discuss an important subject.
Mombeis have left.

MR CHAIRMAN: There is an un-
det standing that after 6 o’clock no
question of quorum should be raised

SHRI P. M. MEHTA: I rise on a
neurit of order now. It was my sub-
mission before; now I rise on a
point c f order. According to the rules
the House cannot transact business
without quorum

MR CHAIRMAN: Let the Bell b$
rung --There is no quorum.

Since there is no quorum the
House stands adjourned till 11 a.m. on
Monday.

18 30 hrs. f

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till
Eleven of 'the Clock on Monday ,
An oust 28th, 1972/Bhadra U0ft£-
( Saka )

CONTENTS

No. 20— Monday, August 28, 1972/Bhadra 6, 1894 {Saka)

Columns

Obituary Reference

•

1-3

Shrimati Indira Gandhi

1-2

Shri Samar Mukherjee ... ... •

*«s

Shri G. Viswanathan

...

Shri Jagannathrao Josbi

...

Shri P. M, Mehta

• ••

Prof. Madhu Dandavate

...

Shri Ramkanwar

...

Oral Answers to Questions—

♦Starred Questions Nos. 363 to 368, 372 to 374 and 376...

...

3-31

Re. Short Notice Question No. 4

...

31-32

Written Answers to Questions—

Starred Questions Nos. 361, 362, 369 to 371, 373 and 377 to 380

■ •l

32-39

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3727, 3729 to 3760 and 3762 to

3779

• ••

39 —189

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance—

Policy of Prohibition ...

• ••

190 -.201

Re. Motion for Adjournment

...

201-15

Papers laid on the Table ..

215-17

Leave of Absence from the Sittings of the House

217

Joint Committee on Offices of Profit—

Third Report

217

Motion Re. Sixteenth Report of Business Advisory Committee * ,

...

217-18

Indian Copper Corporation (Acquisition of Undertaking) Bill—

Introduced

218-19

General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Bill—

Motion to consider, as reported by Joint Committee

...

219-

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan

219-26, 289-96

* The sign -{-marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually
asked on the floor of the House by that Member,

Columns

Shri Somnath Chatterjee

229-37

Shri N. K. P. Salve

237-42

Shri Indrajit Gupta

242-50

Shri C. M. Stephen

250-55

Shri ( p . A. Saminathan

255-60

Shri Ramsingh Bhai

261—66

Shri Virendra Agarwal

911

266—70

Shri Shankar Daya) Singh

•■1

270-75

’ Shri H. M. Patel

• M

275-77

Shri Vasant Sathe

277-80

Prof. Madhu Dandavate

280-85

Shri D. D. Desai

285- 87

Shri P. M. Mehta

...

288—89

Clauses 2 to 40 and 1

Motion to pass, as amended

...

332

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan

...

Half-an-Hour Discussion Re. Construction of Railway
Safdarjang Aerodrome

Over-Bridge at

332-37

Shri N. K. P. Salve

...

332-35

Shri Mohd. Shafi Qureshi

...

335-37

Discussion on the Re-opening of S. S. Light Railway from Shahdara to
Saharanpur

338—60

Shri Ram Chandra Vikal

338 — 44

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu

344-47

Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey

347—49

Shri S. M. Banerjee

349-50

Shri Mulki Raj Saini

350-51

Shri Ishaque Sambhali

351-52

Shri Krishna Chandra Pandey

»• »

353

Shri Satish Chandra

353-54

Shri T. Sohan Lai

354- 56

Shri Rudi? Pratap Singh

356

Dr. Govind Das Richhariya

356-57

Shri Mohd. Shah Qureshi

357-60

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Monday, August 28, 1972/Bhadra 6,
1894 ( Saka )

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair]

OBITUARY REFERENCE

MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, I have
to inform the House of the sad demise of
Shri M. Shankaraiya who passed away at
Mysore on the 22nd August, 1972, at the age
of 67.

Shri Shankaraiya was a Member of the
Provisional Parliament during the years 1950-
52 and of Second and Third Lok Sabha
from Mysore during the years 1957-67. He
had also been a Member of the Mysore
Legislative Council during the years 1952-56.
An eminent lawyer, he used to take active
interest in educational activities, community
development work and cooperative societies.

We deeply mourn the loss of this friend
and I am sure the House will join me in
conveying our condolences to the bereaved
family.

The Prime Minister.

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker, once again, Sir,
in fcltis session we are mourning the sad
demise of one of our former colleagues. I
associate myself and this House with the
sentiments you have expressed on the passing
away of Shri Shankaraiya. You have already
mentiohed his membership of the Provisional
Parliament, of the Mysore Legislative Council
and of this House and his experience as a
lawyer and in the field of education. Shri
Shankaraiya began his public life m the civic
affairs of Mysore city and he was also actively

associated with the cooperative movement in
Mysore. He also took special interest in
the welfare of handloom w&vers. He was
a dedicated worker. I think the country loses a
servant of the people.

I request you. Sir, to convey our, deep
condolences to the bereaved family.

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah) :
Sir, I associate myself on behalf of my party
with the sentiments expressed by you and the
Prime Minister at the sad demise of Shri
M. Shankaraiya. From the record of his
public' life, it is evident that from his very
early life, he was a public figure and his
service was dedicated to constructive work.
Naturally his loss will be a loss to the people
who are interested in social life. I request
you, Sir, to convey our condolences, to the
bereaved family.

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi*
wash) : Once again, Sir, we have lost one of
our old colleagues of this House. Shri
Shankaraiya was a champion of the down-
trodden, especially of the weaving community.
On behalf of my party and on my owh behalf,
1 associate myself with the feelings expressed
by you and I request you kindly to convey
our condolences to the bereaved family.

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SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar) : Sir,
on behalf of my party, I associate myself with
the sentiments expressed by your good self
and the hon. Prime Minister on the passing
away of Shri M. Shankaraiya and requesrt you
to convey our condolences to the be eaved
family ,

3 Oral Answers

AUOVSf 28, 1972

Oral Answers 4

PROF. MADHU DANflAYATE (Riya-
pur) : Od behalf of the Socialist ' Party, 1
associate myself with the tributes paid to Shri
Shankaraiya, 1 have known him for the
last few years. We have many politicians
in this country but there are very few people
who are keenly interested in educational
activities and he was one among them. I
again associate myself with the tribute that
has been paid to him. I request you to convey
the condolences of the members tp the
bereaved family.

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MR. SPEAKER : The House may stand
in silence for a short while to express its
sorrow.

The Members then stood in silence for
a short while

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Schemes for Exploitation of Forests

*363. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Union Government are
considering certain scheme in regard to the
forest exploitation to the minimum to ensure
and widen the seppe of forest development ;
and

(b) if so, the main features of the
scheme ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Forest exploitation is
based on Working Plans, which are invariably
prepared for each Forest Division for a period
of 10-15 years. These plans arc prepared on
the principles of sustained and progressive

yield and the exploitation of fpxests is
maintained at an optimum level.

A number of developmental schemes have
been undertaken to widen the scope^ of
development of forest, consonant with the
above principle.

Exploitation of forest is undertaken not
only to get maximum benefit out of the pro-
duce but to restock the area with more
important species for industrial and commer-
cial uses.

(b) A number of developmental schemes
have been drawn up under the Five Year
Plans as below :

(1) Consolidation of forests including
survey and demarcation to afford
legal protection to the forest area.

(2) Plantation of quick growing species.

(3) Economic plantations for industrial
and commercial uses.

(4) Rehabilitation of degraded forests.

(5) Development of Minor Forest Pro-
ducts.

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$ Oral Answers

BHADRA 6; 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 6

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SHRl G. VISHWANATHAN : 1 want to
know from the hon. Minister whether he is
aware of the fact that exploitation of forests
has gone to the extent of destruction of
forests throughout the country and, if so,
what action is the Government going to take
to prevent the destruction of forests.

PROF. SHER SINGH : As I said earlier,
we have working plans for each division and
exploitation is done only according to those
working plans. We take care to see that
when we cut some trees, we also plant new
ones and restock them by other new species.
So, we take care that our forests wealth is not
destroyed and, in fact, it is re-generated and
re-stocked.

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7 Oral Answers

AUGUST 28. 1972

Oral Answers 9

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SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : Casuarina
and cashew grow in sand and are fast-growing
trees. They are planted on the east cost of
India. May I know whether, in the Rajas-
than desert, to prevent forest spreading, they
have been tried there ?

PROF. SHfeR SINGH : I do not have
definite information about this particular tree,
whether this » being planted there or not. I

& find out whether it could be grown in
*andy areas. ‘ Kejidi 9 is grown there.

But about this particular tree, I will find out.
If it could be grown there and if it is a fast-
growing tree, we shall advise the State Govern-
ment to do this.

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Cancer Hospitals in Metropolitan Cities

♦364. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA :

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the number of Cancer Hospitals in the
country, State-wise ;

(b) whether Government would like to
extend the facilities of Cancer Hospitals in each
of the Metropolitan cities of the country ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) A
statement giving the number and names of
cancer hospitals institutions and other hospitals
where facilities for treatment of cancer are
available (State-wise) is laid on the Table of
the Sabha. [ Placed in Library . See No.
LT — 3513/72]

(b) and (c). In all the Metropolitan cities
of the country facilities for the treatment of

4 Oral Answer*

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 10

Officer already exist either in separate Cancer
hospitals or in General Hospitais. However,
Government have set up a Cancer Assessment
Committee to make an assessment of
the needs and additional requirements
Of some of the existing institutions
and hospitals so lhat they may be up-
graded to Regional Cancer Research Centres.
The report of the Committee is awaited.

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : I find from
the answer of the Minister that in some
General Hospitals cancer patients are admitted
and taken. May I know from the Minister
whether proper equipment and specialists are
provided for in those hospitals to treat the
cancer patients ?

SHRI A. K. KISKU : Yes, Sir.

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : When is the
Cancer Assessment Committee likely to sub-
mit its report ?

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : The Committee, I understand,
has completed its work virtually and its report
is expected very shortly.

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Afzalpurkar —
absent.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I ask
the hon. Minister whether the Chittaranjan
Cancer Hospital attached to the Government-
controlled Cancer Research Institute in
Calcutta offered itself to be nationalised for
the purpose of giving full clinical facilities for
research ? If so, what steps the Government
have taken ? If not, the reasons thereof 7

" THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P,
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : Yes, Sir, this offer
has come from that Institute and the process
of finalisation is not for us but the only thing
is regarding the acquisition of the land and
the concerned authority has been contacted
in the matter and they have evinced keen and
helpful attitude.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He did not
, tell me how soon he is going to finalise it.

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : It
depends upon the Deshbandhu Memorial
Trust. They are in occupation and in posses-
sion of the land. If they help us in the
matter, we can expedite it.

SHRI R, S. PANDEY § : May I know
whether it is true that some citizens of Delhi
have approached the Health Minister in order
to establish a cancer hospital and they have
collected a good lot of amount 7 May I
know whether it is true that very soon a
cancer hospital is going to be set up in
Delhi ?

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA:
Not an independent cancer hospital, but faci-
lities which are already available in the exist-
ing hospitals are being periodically reviewed
and, if necessary, they will be augmented.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : My question was
whether some of the important citizens have
approached the Minister in order to establish
a cancer hospital and for that they have collec-
ted money also

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : The
proposals regarding the private cancer hospital
have hot been yet received in the Ministry.

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL-
DER : I want to know from the Minister
the present condition of the Chittaranjan
Cancer Hospital Calcutta and whether the
Government is going to sanction adequate
funds for smooth running of the hospital.

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA I
think we have already answered it.

MR. SPEAKER : This was the question
put by Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu. Mr Lakkappa—
I am very happy that ygu have come back.

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The facilities
extended in the existing hospitals given in the
statement are not adequate so far as com-
bating the disease of widespread cancer is
concerned. Sometimes, it is very difficult to
get proper treatment because of lack of faci-
lities and other things. In view of this, I
want to know whether the Government of
India which has appointed an expert com-
mittee to go into all aspects of this, have
asked for any help from the World Health

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Oral Answers 12

Organisation. If so, what , are the broad
features of the help that has been extended for
the establishment of a cancer institute in the
country 7

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADAYAYA ;
There is no such proposal at the moment.
But, about the inadequacy, as we have already
pointed out, a committee is seized of the
matter and, as soon as the report of the
committee is submitted, we wilfcproccss it and
will act accordingly.

SHRI D. BASUMATAR1 : Some of the
benevolent people of Gauhati and Assam
started a cancer hospital with great project to
commemorate eminent doctors and honour the
great freedom fighter, namely, late Dr. Barua.
In this connection, may I know whether the
Government has been approached for financial
aid 7 If so, what is the attitude of the Govern-
ment in this regard ?

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA :
We are not aware of any such proposal being
referred to the Government ; if it is so, we
will look into it.

DR. KAILAS : He said that adequate
facilities are available in the different metro-
politan towns. In the cancer hospital.

Bombay, the number of patients is very large ;
they cannot cope up with the treatment there.
Is there a proposal at an advanced stage in
Nagpur where a cancer hospital has already
been established in the Nagpur Medical
College Campus, for which an import licence
for cobalt machine has been applied for and
if so, why it has not been sanctioned ? This
is to lessen the load in the different hospitals,
not only in Bombay, but all over the country.
Is the Government aware of the number of
cancer patients and the type of facilities
present in different hospitals, especially in
Bombay ? «

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA :
It is a broad and general question. We have
not said that this is adequate. With increase
in the number of patients, adequacy also
changes. We have provided certain facilities
and other facilities are under consideration.
We have already said that when this Com-
mittee submits its report we will see what
added facilities are needed.

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI D. P.
CHATTOPADHAYA) : (a) to (c). A state-
ment is laid on the Table of House.

Statement

(a) to (c). The Slum Clearance/ Improve-
ment Scheme, which was started in 1956 as
a Centrally sponsored scheme, was transferred
to the State Sector from the 1st April, 1969.
Since that date. Central assistance is provided
to the State Governments in the shape of
•‘block loans” and “block grants” for all the
State Sector Schemes taken together. The
amount of funds utilised by the Government
of Rajasthan during 1969-70, 1970 71 *and
1971-72 for Slum Clearance/Improvement
Scheme, out of the block assistance provided
to them by the Government of India, is not
known.

A new Central scheme for environmental
improvement of slum areas has been started
in April 1972, This provides cent per cent
grant assistance for improvements in slum
areas in 11 cities in the country, each having
a population of not less than 8 lakhs. A
proposal for providing such assistance for

13 Oral Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers M

improvement works in three bustets in Jaipur
has been received from the Government of
Rajasthan on the 19 August, 1972. At pre-
sent, Jaipur is not covered by the scheme.
The questioq of providing separate financial
assistance for these works in Jaipur does not,
therefore, arise.

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PROF D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : The
schemes are covered by State Government’s
plans. Slum clearance and improvement
schemes were under the State plans upto
1960. During that period the question of
giving Central assistance did not arise After
that time, we are providing now olock grants
and Block Joans. Only a few days back, only on
19th August, 1972 we have received some defi-
nite projects from the Rajasthan Government.
This was only a few days back. They are
being looked into It has come only a week
before.

SHRI M C. DAGA : How much assis-
tance the Central Government has given for
Rajasthan Slum Clearence Scheme, may be
in some other form ? You have said, you
are giving.

MR. SPEAKER : He is clear about it.
His position is that till 1969 they had no such
plan and that was under the State Govern-
ments. After that, the Centre has recently
done this.

SHRI K.S. CHAVDA : From 1956 lo
1969 it was a Central Government Scheme . .

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND HOU-
SING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA-
NNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT) :
I don’t think we are asked to given the entire
history of the assistance ; the question is
about what assistance has been given recently.

MR. SPEAKER : For the last three
years,

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : Up
till now, the decision of the Government
applies only to 11 metropolitan centres. Jaipur

is not included in it. In the list Housing
Ministers' Conference the concensus was that
there should be at least one such city in each
State. If that is accepted, Jaipur would then
qualify for it. This question has been refer
red to the Planning Commission. It is now
under consideration. f

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SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : The queslion
is eniirely defferent. It is not as if it relates
to a period of three years only. If you see
part (a) of the question, it reads thus :

“whether the Rajasthan Government have
asked the Central Government for finan-
cial assistance for the improvement of slums
in the State

So, no period has been mentioned in this...

MR. SPEAKER : Let him ask his ques-
tion now.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : The statement
says

"The amount of funds utilised by the
Government of Rajasthan during 1969-70,
1970 71 and 1971-72 for Slum clearance/
Improvement Scheme, out of the block
assistance provided to them by the Go-
vernment of India, is not known". Know-
ing full well that the States are not in-
terested or are reluctant to implement the
slum clearance scheme, may I know why
the Centrally sponsoied scheme has been
transfered to the State sector ?

15 Oral Answers

AUGUST 28, 1972

Oral Answers 16

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT :
The boo. Minister should be aware that it is
the National Development Council which
decides these matters in consultation with the
Chief Ministers of the States, and it is on
that basis that block grants and block loans
system was approved. The idea was that
even in health matters, where we were giving
subsidy or loan, whether to divert them to
other schemes or not, was a matter within
the discretion of the State Go&rnment. I do
not know how that question arises, but in any
case, at that time, the Central Government
had not undertaken any scheme of slum im-
provement. The Slum improvement is an
entirely recent scheme.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : No, Sir, The
hon. Minister is misguiding the House. The
Centre had started first...

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. There
can be no argument and no debate on it
now.

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : According to the
statement of the hon. Minister, the Central
scheme for improvement of slum areas has
been made applicable only to 11 cities in the
country. May I know which are those 11
cities ? Do Government have any proposal
to extend the scheme to other cities also ?

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA :
There are eleven cities, and I shall lay the
names on the Table of the House.

DR. H. P. SHARMA : In view of the
avowed policy of Government to reduce the
disparity between regions and regions, may I
know why once again Government are taking
technical shelter behind the population...

MR. SPEAKER Let him ask his
question straight.

DR. H. P. SHARMA : Once again,
they are taking shelter behind the technical
difficulty of population, and once again the
under-developed region is being pushed towards
further ackwardness, in avowal of their
policy, would Government reconsider and see
that at least one city in each State should be
given its due share.

MR. SPEAKER : It is already covered.

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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) to
(c). A statement is laid on the table of the
Sabha.

Statement

Central Government employees have to
produce medical certificates from the Compe-
tent Medical Authority at the time of recruit-
ment as well as for leave on medical certifi-
cates. Under the existing rules medical
certificates issued by registered Ayurvedic,
Unani or Homoeopethic medical practitioners
i.e. by registered Vaids, Hakims and
Homoeopathic are accepted for purposes of
grant of leave on medical grounds and grant
of fitness certificate to return to duty etc.
provided such certificates are accepted for the
relevant put pose in respect of its own emplo-
yees, by the Government of the State in which
the Central Government servant falls ill or to
which he proceeds for treatment. Regarding
gazetted and non-gazetted Central Government

iil Oral Answers

BHADRA 6, 1S94 ( SAKA )

Oral Answers 18

employees posted in places covered by C. G.
* H.S., certificates from the Authorised Medi-
cal Attendant in a C.G H.S. Dispensary
irrespective of the system of medicine to which
he may belong, are acceptable.

2. As regards medical certificate of fit-
ness for purposes of recruitment into Govern-
ment service, a certificate from a Medical
Board in the case of Gazetted officers, Civil
Surgeon or a District Medical Officer in the
case of non-gazetted Government servants
(other than Class IV), in the case of class IV
Government servants, from the Authorised
Medical Attendant possessing a medical
qualification included is one of the Schedules
to the Indian Medical Council Act 1956 (102
of 1956) and, where there is no such Autho-
rised Medical Attendant, from a Government
Medical Officer of the nearest dispensary or
hospital possessing the said qualification, is
required to be produced by the candidates.

3. Life Insurance Corporation of India
accepts certificates issued by registered medi-
cal practitioners, allopathic, ayurvedic, unani
and Homoeopathic doctors for granting leave
on medical grounds to its employees. How-
ever for purposes of recruitment, selected
candidates are referred to allopathic doctors
who are on the panel maintained for examin-
ing the proponents of Life Insurance, the
reason being that sufficient number of allo-
pathic doctors are available at the Divisional
headquarters where recruitment is normally
done.

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : There is no ques-

tion of discrimination, because certificates are
allowed and accepted for different purposes,
such as grant of leave and grant of fitness
and for recruitment So far as grant of leave
and grant of fitness are concerned, many
State Governments and Departments treat
the certificates from practitioners of indi-
genous systems at par with those given by
allopaths but in matters Q>f recruitment by
the L1C. for administrative reasons, because
of their own difficulties and other problems,
they insist gn certificates from allopathic
doctors, but not in all cases. So, the question
of discrimination does not arise.

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PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : In
answer to the first part of the question, it
has been unequovically stated that for pur-
poses of grant of leave or fitness certificates,
there is no discrimination between homoeo-
pathy and other indigenous systems practi-
tioners and allopaths. But only m some par-
ticular aspect by particular departments, LIC,
for instance, there is some difference —I do
not say discrimination —for the administra-
tive reason of availability of adequate numbers
of allopathic doctors in those areas. So the
question of discrimination does not arise.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In reply to a
question, the Minister replied that there is no
discrimination so far as leave or fitness certi-
ficate is concerned, whether it is issued by a
homoepath or allopath. Is he aware that
there is discrimination in some States in
regard to the acceptance of certificates issued
by homoeopaths ? In Madhya Pradesh, it is
accepted ; in UP it is not. Will uniform
orders be issued to all State Governments in
this regard ?

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA
We cannot readily be informed of detailed:

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Oral Answers 20

instructions by different Stftie Governments
all over the country. (

1 1

Proposal from Andhra PradeA to amend Land
Acquisition Att

*367. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether State Governn&ent of Andhra
Pradesh have requested the Central Govern-
ment to undertake suitable amendment of
the Land Acquisition Act to enable speedy and
easier acquisition of land for house sites to
agricultural labour ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of the Government
thereto 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No. Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

I may add on the basis of information
just received that the Andhra Pradesh Go-
vernment says that the Act which is in force
there provides for taking possession of any
land under sec. 17- special powers m case of
emergency and urgency inter alia for any
dwelling house for the poor.

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : Has
the attention of Government been drawn to
the recent debate in the Andhra Pradesh
Assembly where the specific question of land
acquisition procedure being a hurdle in the
way of acquisition has been raised and the
Minister gave an assurance that the Central
Government would be approached for neces-
sary amendment in this regard 7

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : The
bon. Member should know that land acquisi-
tion is a concurrent subject falling under the
Seventh List. The State Goeernment is em-
powered to enact legislation and we will extend
all necessary support. There should be no
difficulty. But according to the information
I have, there is already sec. 17 of the Andhra
Land Acquisition Act which empowers the
State Goverment to acquire land under an
emergency clause for pooprer sections of
society.

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : In
view of the clarification and the assurance
by the Minister that he would help in regard
to amendment, if necessary, may I know
whether Government are satisfied with the
pace of progress in this important direction
and if this procedural hurdle is there, will he
take steps to shorten the procedure and take
such other steps also as necessary for expe-
diting acquisition of sites for agricultural
labour ?

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : If any
State Government wants to go ahead with
land acquisition legislation to simplify proce-
dure, we will support it. As far as the
Centre is concerned, recently a Committee
headed by Shn Mulla known as the Land
Acquisition Review Committee, went into the
entire problem and made very voluminous re-
commendations. We are consulting State Go-
vernments and on the basis of that, we would
take some action.

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SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : I
referred to section 17 of the Andhra Pradesh
Land Acquisition Act. I have no information.
With proper notice, it should be possible to
get the information from the Andhra Pradesh
Government.

Correlating Education to Job Opportunities

*368 SHRI ARVIND NETAM :

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Joint workshop on Emp-
loyment Generation organised by the Expert
Committee on Unemployment, in collaboration
with the International Labour Organisation,
has asked the Government and the Planning
Commission to devise ways and means to
correlate education to job opportunities; and

4 Oral Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 {SAKA) Oral Answers 22

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
The Report of the Joint Workshopjon Employ-
ment Generation has been submitted to the
Expert Committee on Unemployment and is
under its consideration. Government will, in
due course, examine the proposals when recei-
ved from the Committee.

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PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : This
committee has not been set up by the Ministry
of Education, but I have no doubt that my
colleague will be taking all suitable steps to
see that the report is received as early as
possible.

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May I
know whether the Government is considering
to overhaul the educational system in India
so that the new system of education would be
such that the problem of the educated unem-
ployed — the problem of unemployment among
the educated classes — is removed and, if so,
whather any legislation is being proposed in
this regard ?

MR. SPEAKER : You asked a specific
question, but now you are going off the scope
of your question. This is a very specific ques-
tion. Anyway, if you can just tell him —

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : It it is
desired that I may discuss the whole question
of educational reform—

MR. SPEAKER : That may be done some
other time.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I would
be glad to do it if I am asked to do it,

SHRI D. D. DESAI : What are the terms
of reference to the committee, and may I know
whether the committee would be going into the
aspect of training people on the basis of job-
oriented requirements, particularly taking
into account the shortages that exist in several
fields of jobs ? ^

PROF. S NURUL HASAN : I am
afraid I cannot deal with the wider issue of
unemployment Tn the country. But so far as
the joint workshop is concerned, it was held
from the 2nd to the 7th August, 1972.

MR. SPEAKER : His question is, what
are the terms of reference to the committee.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As I sub-
mitted, it is not my Ministry.

SHRI. B. V. NAIK : In regard to this
Expert Committee on Unemployment which
has been working during the period of our
employment or unemployment crisis for the
last 12 months, and has been trying to find
out—

MR. SPEAKER : Ask your question.

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I am only asking
whether the Ministry of Education, in view of
the recommendations made by this joint
workshop on employment generation, is at
least dealing with those recommendations
which pertain to the Ministry of Education,
and will the Expert Committee on Unemploy-
ment—

MR. SPEAKER When will you come to
the question ?

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Does it mean that
the Ministry of Education and Labour will
not take a decision for solving the problem of
unemployment till they relieve the propsals, or,
will they apply their mind to this particular
aspect in between, for twelve months ?

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : There was
a very specific question on the joint workshop.
The joint workshop was not convened under
the auspices of the Ministry of Education.
It was convened at the instance of the Ex-
pert Committee on Unemployment, in collabo-
ration with the ILO. There were four prob-
lems which they discussed. The matter is be-
fore the Committee, the Expert Committee on

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Oral Answers 24

Unemployment, and when tfteir recommenda-
tions are received, we will Certainly consider
it, but on our own, the Ministry of Education
is very much concerned with this question. At
the meeting of the Centra! Advisory Board
of Education which is to be held in September
we hope that the Education Ministers of vari-
ous States will be able to take some decision.

Opening of Tribal Blocks, in Adivasi Regions

*372. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH ;
Will the Minsiter of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the criteria followed in opening Tribal
Blocks in Adivasi regions ;

(b) once sanctioned the obstacles in
opening of Tribal Blocks ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P
YADAV) : (a) The criteria for opening new
Tribal Development Blocks are : —

(i) Area of 150-200 Sq. miles ;

(ii) total population of 25,000 ;

(iii) tribal concentration of 66|% ;

(iv) viability to function as a normal ad-
ministrative unit.

(b) All sanctioned Tribal Development
Blocks except one Swalmenda (District Betul)
in Madhya Pradesh have been started State
Government of Madhya Pradesh could not
open the block as they have not been able to
demarcate the boundaries of the block.

(c) The only Tribal Development Block
sanctioned for Sidhi District was started in
1966-67 and is functioning since then.

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : The
criteria for setting up a tribal development
block apply to this also. I should like to ask
the Minister when the blocks that are func-

tioning as normal blocks but fulfil all this
criteria will be converted into tribal blocks
catering to the specialised needs of the
tribals ?

SHRI D. P. YADAV : So far as tribal
blocks are concerned definitely they get pre-
ference over general blocks and recently we
have given approximately Rs 7 laksh extra
over the general blocks. Therefore the ques-
tion of neglecting them does not arise

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : My
question was not about neglect. I asked whe-
ther the normal blocks that fulfil the criteria
for becoming tribal would be converted into
tribal blocks ?

SHRI D. P. YADAV : The Planning
Commission has set up a panel for socio eco-
nomic problems of Scheduled Tribes. This
panel has recommended that instead of ex-
panding the number of tribal blocks we
should further strengthen the existing ones.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : What is the
precise reason for holding up the opening up
of Swalmenda block in Betul District when it
conforms to the criteria mentioned by the
hon Minister ? Is he in a position to assure
the House that when this block is opened it
will be without disturbing the other existing
tribal blocks ?

SHRI D. P. YADAV : It is in M. P. that
the maximum number of tribal development
blocks exist ; about 127 were sanctioned out
of which 126 are working. Unfortunately
only one block could not be taken up. The
Government of India was sympathetic to it
but the Planning Commission has come
forward with a formula to strengthen the exis*
ting blocks.

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Is this the ans-
wer to my question ? I seek your protection.
He is enumerating that so many blocks had
already been opened. My question is : when
it conforms to the criteria laid down, why is
it that you are not opening it up ? I want
the reason.

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : The reply
has been given by my colleague already that
they have not been able to demarcate the
boundaries of the block.

25, Oral Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 {SaKA)

Oral Answers 26

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Is that the cri-
teria why a block is not to be opened ?

MR. SPEAKER Please do not get
excited.

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SHRI D, P. YADAV . This is a specific
question for which 1 shall need notice.

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MR SPEAKER : The question is, while
administering these blocks which have come
into existence, do you share the expenditure
with State Government ?

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SHRI B. S. MURTHY : May I know
whether all the areas which have fulfilled the

criteria enumerated by the minister have
been covered by tribal blocks and if not,
why not ?

SHRI D. P # YADAV : I think I have
answered it earlier.

SHRI D BASUMATARI : May I know
whether the Ministers* attention has been
drawn to the * report submitted by the
Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and Sche-
duled Tribes in regard to tribal blocks, where
it is specifically stated that the objective of
opening tribal blocks— their number is about
489- has been frustrated and in the name of
tnbals, other people are getting the benefit ?
In such a case, what is the protection Govern-
ment are giving to the tribals to develop from
such exploitation ?

PROF. S NURUL HASAN : This is a
general question about the development of
scheduled tribes. I would be quite prepared
to answer any specific question he may put.
This is with regard to the tribal developments
blocks in M. P.

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MR. SPEAKER : In case it is not imple-
mented, do you ’have some powers to ensure
that they do not waste ’it and they spend it
rightly ?

ito

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Oral Answers 28

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*nrr i Rwr «?r fftmrar ftm* i

SHRI R. S. PANDEY Please allow me
to put a question.

MR SPEAKER : I have not allowed you
yet.

SHRI. R. S. PANDEY : There are many
members here who are requesting you to
permit me to put a question :

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SHRI R. S. PANDEY : I come from a
constituency, half the population of which is
Adibasi....

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to the decorum of the House if you do like
this ? H <R 4Wt ftftt STTcT nf

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quite beyond the scope of the question.

Release of ‘Kapurthala Plot’, New Delhi
to Kerala Government

*373. SHRIN SREEKANTAN NAIR :
SHRI VAYALAR RAVI :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether *Kapurthala Plot' belonging
to the Government of Kerala has been released
as requested by that Government ; and

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Land
measuring 2.164 acres out of the Kapur thala
Plot has been released to the Government of
Kerala for the establishment of a Higher
Secondary School by the Kerala Education
Society. The remaining portion of the land
will be released on its vacation by the Security
Police Lines of the Delhi Administration, with
whom the matter is being pursued.

SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR : In view
of the fact that the high school has been
established and it is running very well, will
the Government see to it that the plot is made
available as early as possible ?

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : As
I said, the matter is being pursued and we
shall try to settle it as early as possible.

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Oral Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 30

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31 Oral Answers

AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 32

Inquiry into Assets possessed by Former
Chairman of Delhi Milk Scheme

*SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA PAN-
DEY : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un-
starred Question No. 1745 on the 3rd April,
1972 regarding jsnquiry into property of ex-
Chairman of Delhi Milk Scheme and state ;

(a) the present position regarding the
inquiry made into the disprefcortionate assets
possessed by the former Chairman, Delhi
Milk Scheme ; and

(b) the action taken or proposed to be
taken against this Officer ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) The preliminary enquiry
by Central Bureau of Investigation has been
completed and their report is under examina-
tion of the Central Vigilance Commission.

(b) The stage for action by Government
has not yet been reached.

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RE. SHORT NOTICE QUESTION NO. 4

MR. SPEAKER : Short Notice Question
No. 4 — Dr. Ranen Sen. He is not here.
Then we go to the Culling Attention Notice.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEB : Sir if the train
is late, what will happen ? Will it not be
postponed and taken up tomorrow ? He was
to come today by train. Kindly postpone it
to some other day.

MR. SPEAKER : It is all right; it is an
important subject.

Calling Attention Notice— Shri Shamnan-
dan Mishra.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

Sinking of a Freighter “Daroodar Mandovi”
in Arbian Sea

*361. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI MUHAM MED SHERIFF :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether a freighter, “Damodar
Mandovi” sank in the Arabian Sea recently ;
if so, the number of persons drowned ;

(b) whether any enquiry has been made ;
and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) Yes,

Sir. The freighter sank on 29th July 1972.
31 members of the crew are still missing.

(b) and (c). An enquiry under Section 359
of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1958, is in
progress. It is expected to be concluded
shortly.

Loss sustained by F.C.I.

*362. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the percentage of operational loss
permissible in the Food Corporation of
India ;

(b) the actual loss during the previous
year and the factors leading to abnormal
losses, if any ; and

33 Written Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 34

(c) the remedial measures taken to pre- connection from there 12” main along Udyan
vent such losses ? Marg, which serves the following quarters

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) A state-
ment indicating the powers of officers of the-
Food Corporation of India to accord ‘write
off* sanction with the concurrence of their
Finance Division is laid on the Table of the
Sabha (Statement I) [Placed in Library . See
No. LT — 3514/72]

Type

No. of quarters

Type I

... • 64

Type II

192

Type III

168

•

Total 424

(b) During the year 1970-71 agains a total
purchase and sales turnover of Rs. 1413
crores, the transit, storage and voyage losses
were about Rs. 15 crores. Abnormal losses
occurred in certain specific cases for the
reason(s) given in the Statement laid on Table
of the Sabha (Statement II). [Placed in
Library . See No LT— 3514/72]

(c) The steps which have been and/or are
being taken by the Corporation to ensure
that the losses are brought lo the minimum
are indicated in the Statement laid on the
Table of the Sabha (Statement III). [ Placed
in Library . See No. LT— 3514/72]

Scarcity ef water in D.I.Z. area in
New Delhi

•369. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW-
DHURY :

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMI :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether any sanction was asked from
the N.D.M.C. and accorded for supply of
water to 192 quarters of Type II and 168
quarters of Type III in DIZ area, New Delhi ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; and

(c) if not, the steps taken by Government
in getting the sanction from the N.D.M.C.
at the earliest and remove the scarcity of water
in the area ?

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The New Delhi Municipal Committee
sanctioned on 17th June, 1971 a 3 inch T

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Land held by Members of Board of
Directors of Tarai Development
Corporation and Operation
of Ceiling Law

♦371. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 4240 on the 8th July, 1971
regarding Tarai Development Corporation
and state how Land owned by members of the
Board of Directors of the Tarai Development
Corporation escaped the existing limit of land
ceiling in th U.P. State ?

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Written Answers 3d

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The imple-
mentation of the “Uttar Pradesh Imposition
of ^Ceiling on Land Holdings Act, I960’* is
entirely the responsibility of the State Govern-
ment. A statement prepared on the basis of
information furnished by the State Govern-
ment is laid on the Table of the Sabha.

Staten\ent

In answer to Part (a) of Unstarred Lok
Sabha Question No. 4240 answered on the
8'h July, 1971 it was stated that there were six
farmers on the Board of Directors of the
Tarai Development Corporation. Three of
these farmers have since retired and three
continue on the Board of Directors. The
Members of the Tarai Development Corpora-
tion were not required to disclose to the
Corporation the total area of land held by
them. Each Member was required to indi-
cate only the area of land held by himself
and his associates and the area that they
would utilise for growing seeds, The informa-
tion furnished to the Tarai Seeds Corporation
by the three farmers who are still on the
Board of Directors is given below :

S. Name of Director Area held

No. by him

and his
associates
in acres

Shri Gurbaj Singh

Though he had indicated in his applica-
tion to the Tarai Development Corporation
that he and his associates held 200 acres of
land, the State Government has reported that
Shri Gurbaj Singh himself holds only 47
bighas and 17 Biswas of land as member of
a Cooperative Society. As there is some doubt
about the total area of land heid by him, the
Collector of the District has started an inquiry
into the matter.

Shri P. N . Mehta

In his application made to the Corpora-
tion Shri Mehta had indicated that he and
his associatss held 31 acres of land. Accord-
ing to the information furnished by the State
Government Shri Mehta holds in all 53,34
acres of land. It has been reported that
Shri Mehta does not hold land in excess of
the ceiling applicable to him under the existing
law.

Shri K. N. Aggarwal

Shri K. N. Aggarwal has I /6th share in
a farm known as Prag Agricultural Farm
which holds 3,879 84 acres of land. The
share of Shri K. N. Aggarwal has been com-
puted at 646.64 acres. Of the total area of
land held by Shri Aggarwal and others of the
Prag Agricultural Farm, 1520.24 acres has
been declared as surplus. They have, how-
ever, obtained astay order and the matter is
still pending in the High Court.

1. Shri Gurbaj Singh and Asso-
ciates, Village Sarowarnagar,

P.O. Matkhera, District
Rampur. 200

2. Shri P.N. Mehta and Asso-

ciates, Sitarampur Farm,
Kashipur, District Nainital. 31

3. Shri K. N, Aggarwal and
Associates Prag Agricultural
Farm, P. O. Gokulnagar,

Tehsil Kichha, District
Nainital. 3,800

Information about land owned by these
persons and the application of the ceiling law
<o them has been obtained from the Govern-
ment of Uttar Pradesh, and is given below :

Persons died of starvation
during 1970 to 1972

*375 SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state the number of persons who died of
starvation. State-wise, during 1970, 1971 and
January to July, 1972 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : All cases of
death which are alleged to have taken place
due to starvation are invariably referred to
the respective State Governments for enquiry
and report. According to the reports received
from the State Governments, there has been
no death due to starvation during 1970, 1971
and 1972.

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Self-sufficiency in Insecticides

*377. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state the number and names of the States and
Union Territories which are self-sufficient in
insecticides used for agricultural and horti-.
cultural purpose and in a position to supply
it to other States in the country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : It is not clear
from the Question whether the member is
referring to self-sufficiency in production or
availability. The position in respect of pro-
duction and availability in pesticides is as
follows. The manufacturing and formulating
units are located in a number of States.
Medium and large manufacturing units of
technical grade material of pesticides, are
located in a few States, who are required to
distribute at least 50% of their total produc-
tion to non-associates and small industrial
units.

The Government of India takes steps to
ensure that the pesticides are available in
sufficient quantities and in time in the
country. The State Governments estimate
their requirements m advance and arrange
supplies through various agencies including
private trade. Currently 39 different kinds of
pesticides are manufactured in the country and
the industry has been considered a core
industry, and all Government support and
encouragement is given to increase the pro-
duction, so that adequate supply of pesticides
is maintained in the country. Pesticides
which are not yet manufactured in the country
and which are required for plant protection
are being imported in sufficient quantities. By
and large the position of supply of pesticides
for the year 1972-73 in the States and Union
Territories is satisfactory.

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Drinking Water in Gujarat State

*379. SHRI P. M MEHTA : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN-
NING be pleased to state :

(a) whther the Gujarat State is the only
State where large number of villages have not
been provided drinking water, so far ;

(b) if so, the total number of villages
which have not been provided drinking
water ;

, (c) how many villages amoug them will be
covered during the Fourth Plan and how
many villages will be provided drinking water
facilities during the Fifth Five Year Plan ;
and •

(d) whether funds will be made available
to the State for providing drinking water faci-
lities to these villages during the Fifth Five
Year Plan ?

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b). At the beginning of
the Fourth Plan there were about 3,000
villages in Gujarat without a source of drink-
ing water either within a distance of one

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mite or witbin a depth of 50'^ The situation
in many other States in t m respect is either
similar or worse.

(c) During the Fourth Plan it is expected
that about 1,200 of these villages will be
provided with water ( supply. Since the State’s
five year plan has not yet been formulated, it
is not possible at this stage to state how many
more villages will be covered during the Fifth
Plan, but according to a persp&tive Plan for
1974 — 84 prepared by the State Government
1,500 villages are proposed to be covered in
the Fifth Plan.

(d) The normal Central assistance to
States is expected to continue during the Fifth
Five Year Plan.

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Opening of Central School at l.N.A. Colony,
^ New Delhi

9580, SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI :
WM the Minister of EDUCATION AND

SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central School Organisa-
tion is opening a new Central School at
l.N.A, Colony, New Delhi, if so, whether the
School will have all the eleven classes ;

(b) number of sections each class will
have ; and

(c) the number of students that have
appeared in the Admission Test conducted
during the last week of July, 1972 for each
class and the number of students that have
qualified in each class and the number actually
admitted to each class ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir. To start with,

the school will have only Classes I to VII.

(b) Each class will have the following
number of sections :

Class I

2 Sections

Class II

2 Sections

Class III

1 Section

Class IV

1 Section

Class V

1 Section

Class VI

2 Sections

Class VII

1 Section

(c)

Class

No. of students
appeared

No. of
students
qualified

No. of
students
admitted

__ *

199

III

139

143

131

VII

♦Admissions to Class I have been made on
the basis of a combined test that was held

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fot all local Kendriya Vidyalayas on 7th May,
1972, Since there were several children who
qualified in the test, but could not get admis-
sion on account of limited number of seats
available in the existing local Kendria
Vidyalayas, it was decided not to hold any
fresh admission test for Class I in the LN.A.
Kendriya Vidyalaya, but to take children
from out of those quialified in the test held on
7th May, 1972. The total number of students
admitted to Class I in I.N.A. Kendriya Vidya-
laya is 67.

Opening of more sections of various classes
in Central School, I.N.A. Colony,

New Delhi

3581. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central School Organisa-
tion have decided to have only one Section
in each of the seven classes in the new
Central School to be opened at I.N.A. Colony.
New Delhi ;

(b) whether the Central School Organisa-
tion and the Ministry have received represen-
tations from the parents of the students who
appeared in the Addmission Test conducted
during the last week of July, 1972 requesting
for adding more sections in each of the seven
classes in that school to accommodate all
those students who qualify in the admission
test ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) The new Kendriya Vidyalaya
(Central School) in the I.N.A. Colony, New
Delhi will have the following sections :

Class

No. of Sections

Two

III

One

Two

VII

One

(b) and (c). Representations were received
by the Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan (Central
School Organisation) from the parents of
the students for opening more sections to
accommodate students who have qualified in
the admission test. But due to limited phys-
cal facilities, it is not possible for the
Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathatf to open more
sections.

Policy of Realignment of Agricultural
Finance to New Ceiling Laws

3582. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose
to realign the policies governing agri-
cultural financing to the new ceiling laws so
that a 35,000/- worth tractor can be purchas-
ed by a farmer ;

(b) if so, the salient features of such
policies and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c).
The lending policy of financing institutions
take into account mainly the repaying capa-
city based on incremental income of a farmer
or a group of farmers for the grant of a loan.
The repaying capacity is related to the acreage
cultivated, crops grown, technology applied
etc, The leading institutions are providing
loans to individual farmers or groups of far-
mers or co-operatives or other institutions
like agro-industries corporations for purchas-
ing. tractors indigenous or otherwise. The
programme of issue of long-term loans by the
Land Development Banks, Agricultural Refi-
nance Corporation and Commercial Banks,
is being stepped up every year to meet
the growing credit need# of agriculture.

Second Shift in Medical Colleges in
Delhi

3583. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN-
NING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have taken any
steps to have second shift in Medical Colleges,
in Delhi as urged by the 100-member deputa-
tion of Delhi Parents Assosiation on 30th
July, 1972 ; and

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 44

(b) if so, the fcroad outlines thereof and
the steps taken by ^Government in this
regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE JN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS ANlS HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. It is
not proposed to have a second shi f t in medi-
cal colleges in Delhi. *

(b) Does not arise.

Help to Fanners consequent on lowering
of Land Ceiling

3584. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :

SHRl G. Y KRISHNAN :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state the steps Government propose
to take in the nature of recommendation to
States to help the farmers who shall lose their
livelihood due to lowering of land ceilings to
rehabilitate themselves ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : Land owners
will retain ownership of land up to the ceiling
limit. They will also receive compensation
for the lands vested in the State. There is
no question of the farmers loosing their
livelihood.

Considerations for fixing Ceiling on Land
by Central Land Reforms Committee

3585. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE " be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Land Reform
Committee considered the (i) cost of essential
commodities needed by an average farmer,
(ii) education expenditure on farmer's children
especially College and University education
and (iii) medical expenses needed by an ave-
rage family while fixing the ceiling on land ;
and

(b) if so, the details of such consideration
viz., what quantum was accepted on each
item as being a normal expenditure ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI

ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
Various considerations weighed with the
Central Land Reforms Committed while fixing
ceiling on land holdings e g. the extent to
which an average family can personally culti-
vate, the area that can be cultivated by a pair
of bullocks etc. It was not considered practi-
cable to have the level of ceiling on a certain
minimum level of farm income. This point
was examined at the time of formulation of
the Second Five Year Plan and was given up
as impracticable on the following grounds

“The income from a given area of land
depedns upon the crops grown, the level
of agricultural efficiency and the amount
of investment which is made. A given
area of land may yield different
incomes to different indaviduals, depend*
ing on his skill, capacity and
resources. As improved agricultural
practices are adopted and agriculture be-
comes more efficient and diversified,
income per unit of land should increase
steadily. Thus it is difficult to correlate
a family holding to a given level of money
income, adjusted to a supposed level of
prices.”

Basis of Fixing Ceiling on Land as deci-
ded by Central Land Reforms
Committee

3586. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Land Reforms
Committee based its recommendations regard-
ing land ceiling on any economic data regard-
ing farm returns ;

(b) if so, the details. State-wise, of such
data ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) Availability of water, soil fertility,
etc., were taken into account in suggesting
ranges with which ceilings should be fixed t

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Written Answers 46

- Allotment of Land to Nov Friends’ Co-
operative House Building Society, New
Delhi

3587. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to refer to the reply given
to Unstarred Question No. 872 on the 31st
May, 1971 regarding the allotment of land to
the New Friends Cooperative House Building
Society, New Delhi afcd state :

(a) whether land has not so far been
allotted to the New Friends* Cooperative
House Building Society, New Delhi ; if so, the
reasons therefor ;

(b) whether the delay in the allotment
of land to the Society and in its turn allot-
ment to the Members is causing lot of concern
to them in view of the rising costs of cons-
truction ; and

(c) if so, the step which Government
propose to take to finalise the allotment and
the time by which it is expected to be done ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MI-
NISTRY OF HEALTH & FAMILY PLAN-
NING AND IN TIIE MINISTRY OF WOR-
KS AND HOUSING (PROF D P. CHATTO-
PADHYAYA) . (a) and (b). No, Sir. Land

has already been allotted to the New Friends’
Cooperative House Building Society and the
Society has also allocated plots to its members
but ihz execution of sub-leases of plots in the
names of the members have been held up
because of Stay Orders of the Courts.

Old Age Pension

3588. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to
the reply given to Unstarred Question No
7684 on the 29th May, 1972 regarding Old
Age Pension and state :

(a) whether any person has since been
sanctioned pension benefit till now out of 1828
applicants ;

(b) if so, the names thereof ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO-
CIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEPART-
MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) 1828 was /^>t the number

of applicants but of benficiaries who were
sanctioned Old Age Pension.

(b) and (c). not arise.

Benefits to Scheduled Caste Persons

3589. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
refer to Unstarred Question No. 8067 replied
on the 31st May, 1972 regarding benefits to
Scheduled Caste persone and state :

(a) whether the matter has since been
looked into and a final decision taken in this
regard ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMAS-
WAMY) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The

Government are advised that in cases of this
nature no general law can be laid down and
each case will have to be considered on its
own merits. Generally, however, on recon-
version a person will be entitled to claim the
privileges to which members of a Scheduled
Caste are entitled if he/she is accepted by the
members of that particular caste as one
amojig them.

Inclusion of Community Diuloi mcnl Bluk
of Pauri Garhwal in Border Districts

3590. SHRI # RAM SURAT PRASAD :s
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India have
received any proposal from Government of
Uttar Pradesh recommending the inclusion of
certain Community Development Blocks of
Pauri Garhwal in the border districts ;

(b) whether the local population of
'patties* Dhanpur and Bachhansyun of Khirsu
Community Development Block falling under

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the administrative jurisdiction of District
Pauri and forming part of the Karanprayag
Assembly Constituency of the Border District
of Chamoli, were given an assurance by the
concerned authorities that those 'patties’
would also be included in the Border Areas
so that they npy be able to get due share in
the developmental programmes in future ; and

(c) if so, the reaction of Government
of India thereon and the time by which a
decision is likely to be taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Government of India are not aware
of any such assurance having been given to
the local people.

Imports of Fertilisers

3591. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : Will the Minister of AGRI-
CULTURE be pleased to state the
quantity of fertilisers imported during
the last three years ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The quanti-
ties of fertilisers in terms of nutrients, impor-
ted during the last three years, is given below
on the basis of actual arrivals : —

1969-70

1970-71

1971-72

6,67,188

4,77,457

4,80,445

93,510

32,J03

2,47,511

1,20,232

1,20,000

2,67,570

Amount Spent on Crash Scheme for Rural
Employment

3592. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether an amount of Rs. 2964.18 lakhs
was spent in 1971-7 2 on the crash scheme for
rural employment ;

(b) if so, how many man-dAys of emp-
loyment were generated by this scheme ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Govern-
ment do consider that the Crash Scheme for
Rural Employment has, by and large, come
up to the expected mark.

The Scheme envisaged an expenditure of
Rs. 50 crores and the generation of 875 lakh
mandays of employment in a full working
season of 10 months. During the year 1971-72,
however, work could start only in October,
for the earlier part of the year was taken up
in formulating projects for execution and mak-
ing the requisite administrative and other
arrangements. Then came the monsoons.
Thus a six- month working period was actua-
lly available. During this period the expendi-
ture reported so far is Rs. 32.37 crores and
this has resulted in the generation of 808.22
lakh mandays of employment. It may be
added that information in regard to employ-
ment is collected in terms of mandays and
not in terms of number of persons employed
as the period of employment varies from
person to person and from project to project.
It is roughly estimated that more than 3.2
lakhs of persons have been employed during
the year for varying periods. This works
out to an average of 957 persons per district
for the 348 districts for which proposals were
approved. In actual fact, however, the posi-
tion varies from State to State and from
district to district. It is expected that with
the completion of administrative arrangements
the sum of Rs. 50 crores provided for during
1972-73 will be fully utilised.

Permission to Prof. Blue to carry out
Research work in Rajasthan

3693. SHRI PURSHOTTAM KAKOD-
KAR :

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Union Government
have not given permission to Professor N,

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Written Answers 50

Blip, an American Research Scholar, to carry
our research work on Irrigation Projects in
Rajasthan ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).

Prof. N. Blue and Prof. Frohrib, who had put
up a joint proposal, were not permitted to
undertake research work on Irrigation Projects
in the Rajasthan canal area, partly because
of stiategic situation of the area and partly
because the two Indian Scholars (Prof. Iqbal
Narain and Dr. K. N. Sharma), who were to
collaborate in the Project, withdrew from the
proposal.

Betterment of Hillmcn (Adivasis) in Kerala

3594. SHRI A.K. GOPALAN :

SHR1MATI BHARGAVI THAN-

KAPPAN :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Kerala Government have
approached the Ministry for Legislation for
the betterment of hillmen (Adivasis) in Kerala
consequent on the cancellation of the Kerala
Hillmen Rule 1964 by the High Couit ; and

(b) if so, the action taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Besides Kerala, there are a large
number of forest villages in the States of
Bihar, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu,
Maharashtra, Mysore and West Bengal and
these States may also be interested in such a
] egislation. Before Government decide to
promote legislation by Pailiament, the com-
ments of the above mentioned States will be
obtained in this regard.

Scientific Promotion and Propagation of
Ayurvedic Medicines

3595. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL-
PURKAR : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to
state what encouragements have been given by

Government to achieve success in the matter
of scientific promotion and propagation of
Ayurvedic medicines in the country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : An autonomous
Centra] Council for Research in Indian Medi-
emc and Homoeopathy has been established
by the Government of India to initiate, aid,
develop and co-ordinate scientific research on
different aspect:, fundamental and applied, of
the Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeo-
pathy and Yoga. The Council has established
various types of Units, like the Central and
Regional Research Institutes and Clinical Units,
Fact finding Mobile Clinical Research Units for
Drug Research and Units of Survey of Medi-
cinal Plafits. These Units have undertaken to
conduct research with a view to evolve better,
cheaper and more effective medicines to cure
various ailments. In addition, the Central
Council of Indian Medicine which has been
constituted under the Indian Medicine Cent-
ral Council Act, 1970 would evolve uniform
standards of education and maintain an All
India Register of qualified practitioners of
Indian Systems of Medicine. Steps have also
been taken to upgrade departments for Post-
graduate Training and Research in Indigenous
Systems of Medicine and to provide facilities
like construction of building for co lieges,
hostel, laboratory, pharmacy, herbs ®arden
and essential equipment in the under-graduate
colleges in Indigenous Systems of Medicines
run by Voluntary Organisations with a view
to bi ing up such colleges to a requisite standard.

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Quantity of Medicines in Ointment Tubes

3598. SHRI'R. P. YADAV : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN-
NING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
the Quantity of medicines 'Kanalog' and
‘Mycostatin’ of Sarabhai Chemicals put in
ointment tubes is less than that indicated on
the tubes : and

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to sample check the above mentioned items

after getting them from the market and take
suitable action against manufacturers in the
matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a). Random

tests were conducted on both ( Kana1og-S* and
‘Mycostatin’ ointment tubes manufactured by
Sarabhai Chemicals, Baroda. It. was found
that in the case of 'Kanalog-S’, out of 11
tubes tested, 9 had more ointment than
indicated on the tubes and in 2 tubes the
ointment was slightly less 98.83 and
99.79%. This is within the percentage
allowed in the U. S. Pharmacopoeia. In the
case of 'Mycostatin* all the 8 tubes tested were
found tc have more ointment than indicated
on the tubes.

(b) Does not arise.

Post of Director, Recruitment and Examination,
I. C. A. R.

3599. SHRI BHARAT SINGH
CHOWHAN : Will the Minister of AGRI*
CULTURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the post of Director,
Recruitment and Examinations in the I. C.
A. R. has been circulated amongst the
C. S. S Officers by the Personnel Department
for inviting applications and whether the
present incumbent of the post has come m the
panel of Deputy Secretary to the Government
of India ;

(b) whether efforts are being made to
put this post in abeyance and create a post of
Deputy Secretary in lieu thereof on Govern-
ment side in the autonomous Council ;

(c) whether the post against which he
has been approved for appointment is held by
an Officer not included in the panel of Deputy
Secretaries ; and

(d) whether the post of Director Recruit-
ment in the Council is a Research side post
and held throughout by an officer of Govern-
ment ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASABEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) Yes.

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■ (b) A post of Additional Secretary in
the Indian Council of Agriculture Research
(equated to the post of Deputy Secretary to
the Government of India) was sanctioned on
the Government side for a period of six
months to handle the matters connected with
the Gajendragadkar Committee of Inquiry on
the I. C. A. R. As an economy measure, the
post of Director of Recruitment and Controller
of Examinations has been kept in abeyance
for this period.

(c) He had joined the post of Director
of Administration in the Directorate of Exten-
sion, for which his appointment was approved.
Prior to his taking over, an Under Secretary
was appointed to discharge the functions of
this post in addition to his own duties, purely
as a short-term arrangement. The latter was
not included in the panel of Deputy
Secretaries.

(d) Yes.

Disciplinary Proceedings against Students of
Delhi University

3600. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government’s attention has
been drawn to the news item in the
Hindustan Times dated the 15th July, 1972
captioned ‘Political pressure on University
alleged’ ;

(b) if so, the reaction thereon ; and

(c) whether under political pressure and
Minister’s intervention, the Delhi University
authorities were compelled to cancel the
disciplinary proceeding against some indis-
ciplined students ; and if so, the reasons
thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes,
Sir.

(b) and (c). In the interest of maintain-
ing discipline amongst students, the Vice-
Chancellor of Delhi University has powers
to take such action as he may deem appro-
priate in the circumstances of the case. In
this particular incident, the Vice-Chancellor,

keeping in view the larger interest of the
University and after considering the replies
of the students concerned to the 'show cause
notices’, decided that three students may be
bound down for good conduct and
warning may be issued to six other students.

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Youth suffering from Heart Ailment

3602. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 2851 on the
29th May, 1972 regarding heart ailment of
youth and state :

(a) whether the further report of the
discussions called for has since been received
and examined ; and

(b) if so. Government’s reaction
thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF* HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
,CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The Press Report was as a result of
"Heart Quiz” programme organised under the
joint sponsorship of :

(i) Cardiological Society of India,
Bombay.

(ii) Indian Heart Journal.

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(iii) Coronary Club df Rotary West.

The increasing incidence of heart disease
may be due to changing socio-economic
conditions in the country. The incidence,
however, in India is much below the rate of
heart disease in Western Countries. Steps
are afoot to educate the public on preventive
aspects of heart disease through audiovisual
media T. V. Programme, Lectuics, Press,
Exhibitions etc. Cardiac Clinics arc being
established in bigger hospitals in the country.

Licensed Bengali Porters in Calcutta Port

3603. SHRI R. N BARMAN : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) the number of licensed Bangali
porters working at present in Calcutta Port ;

(b) whether Government propose to
recruit porters in Calcutta Port through local
employment exchange in place of recruiting
them through contractors ; and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) .

(a) Such lnforma'ion is not available.

(b) and (c). No recruitment is now being
made, as the Calcutta Port has surplus labour
looking to the requirements of traffic. If and
when labour is recruited, this will be done
through the Employment Exchange.

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Reserve of Water Resources underneath
the Desert

3605 SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether according to the hydrogeolo-
gical studies, there are vast reserves of water
undeineath the desert and it !?■ possible to
draw about 32 million litres of water a day
fiom these reservoirs ;

(b) if so, Government’s reaction
thereto ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a). According to Hydro-
geological studies conducted with the
U. N D. P. (SF) assistance there are no vast
reserves ot water underneath the desert of
Rajasthan. It is, however, possible to draw
about 32 million litres of water a day from
Lathibasin area (Jaisalmcr-Barmer area) in
Western Rajasthan.

(b) and (c). The reports prepared under
ths UNDP (SF) assisted project have been
sent to the State Government and the State
Government is preparing schemes to utilise
the available ground water in this area.

Agreement with U. S. S. R. for Development
of Fishing Industry

3606. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government of India and

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U. S. S. R. have entered into an agreement to
develop fishing Industry in India ; and

(b) if so, the broad features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE <SHRI'
ANNASAHEB P SH1NDE) : (a) and (b).

Negotiations are in progress with the
U S S. R. Authorities for conclusion of an
Agreement on Cooperation in Marine and
Inland fisheties.

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Five-Year Scheme on the basis of
Ground Water Survey

3608. SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether a five-year scheme has been

drawn up on the basis of ground water survey
jointly done by the Geological Survey of
India, the Central Tubewcli Organisation and
the State Government's Lift Irrigation Depart-
ment ;

(b) if so. the main features of the scheme ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir.

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Setting up of Banaras Development
Corporation

3610. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether exportable varieties of bananas
are grown under a Centrally Sponsored

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Scheme sanctioned for the fourth Five Year
Plan in the State of Mysore ;

(b) if so, whether there is any proposal
under the consideration of Central Govern-
ment to set up Banana Development Corpora-
tion to link up the production programme
with marketing for Both internal and external
trade ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir. It is proposed to set up
Banana Development Corporation for this
purpose.

(c) The Corporation will take up internal
marketing and export of banana from the
areas in which package programme for cultiva-
tion of bananas has been taken up as a
Centrally Sponsored Scheme. The main
functions of the proposed Corporation will
be :

( i ) To organise marketing of bananas
(including exports) from the package
areas.

(ii) Establishing report with growers or
Growers Cooperative Societies for
securing supplies of bananas on a
long term basis.

(iii) Providing technieal guidance to
producers in the matter of scientific
cultivation, transporting and handl-
ing of fruits.

(iv) Setting up of packing houses and
creation of necessary ir.fra-structure
(feeder road, transporation, ropeways
etc).

(v) Provision of necessary inputs, finan-
cial assistance and credit to the
grovers/grower's organisations.

(vi) Ensuring manufacture and use of
the right type of cartons for packag-
ing.

(vil) Chartering of banana boats of a
long-term basis in order to keep up

delivery schedules and also to achieve
an overall economy in the ocean
freight rates.

(viii) Entering into tie-up sales agreements
with selected foreign buysers ; and

(ix) Taking steps for effective promotion
and publicity.

The share capital of the proposed corporation
will be Rs. 50 lakhs— Rs. 40 lakhs to be
contributed by the Central Government and
Rs. 10 lakhs by the participating States. The
new corporation is expected to start function-
ing shotly.

Tractors imported during last Two Years

3611. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of tractors imported
through State Trading Corporation during the
last two years, year-wise upto 30th June, 1972 ;
and

(b) the number of tractors received during
this period under the tractor gift scheme from
foreign countries by the public ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The

number of tractors shipped/imported through
the Projects and Equipment Corporation
(State Trading Corporation) during the last
two years, year- wise and during the current
year (up to 30th June, 1972) is as under :

Year

Number of trac-
tors shipped /

imported

1970

12,954

1971

16,891

1972 (Upto June)

4,548

(b) Information about the number of
tractors received under the Gift Scheme from

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i foreign countries by the public is not available.
However, the Chief Controller of Imports
and Exports has issued Custom Clearance
Permits for 2,031 tractors from the inseption
of the scheme.

Operation of Cooperative Lift Irrigation
Scheme

3612. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the operation of co-operative
lift irrigation schemes in the country has been
satisfactory ; and if so, the total area irrigated
by these schemes so far ;

(b) whether the loans advanced to these lift
irrigation societies are adequate ;

(d) if so, what is the percentage of
default 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (d). The
information is being collected and, on receipt
of the same, it will be laid on the Table of
the House.

Inclusion of Backward Classes in the List of
S.C. & S.T.

3613. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state whether
Government propose to include the Backward
Classes among the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes by appropriate Constitutional
amendments ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) :
The inclusion of backward communities
in the list of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes depends on their fulfilling certain crite-
ria as follows :

Scheduled Castes : Extreme social,

economic and educational backwardness

arising out of the traditional practice of
untouchability.

Scheduled Tribes : Indication of primi-
tive traits, distinctive culture, geographical
isolation, shyness of contact with the
community at large, and backwardness.

The question of revision Of list of Sche-
duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is under
consideration^

With regard to “Other Backward Classes”
it is better to apply the economic test. The
discretion, however, is with the State Govern-
ments to draw up suitable criteria for speci-
fying such classes.

Provision of Tractor for Farmers of Ladalth

3614. SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
Ladakh is far being in agricultural production ;
and

(b) whether Government to provide trac-
tors to the farmers in Ladakh on rent on
reasonable rates ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a). The re-
quisite information is being collected and will
be laid on the Table of the Sabha.

(b) There is no proposal at present for
tractorisation in Ladakh or giving tractors oi*
hire basis in that area.

Construction of Water Reservoirs in the Villages
of Ladakh

3615. SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state whether Government propose to
assist the construction of water reservoirs
near villages in Ladakh and necessary sur-
veys would be undertaken for this purpose ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : The information is being
collected and will be laid on the Table of
the House when received.

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Supply of Drinking Water to Vlllages in L adakh ( c ) Does not arise.

3616, SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government propose to make
arrangements for f the supply of drinking
water to villages in Ladakh being a basic
human need ; and

(b) if so, salient features thereof ?

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Water
Supply programmes are included in the State
Sector. It is for the State Government to
formulate water supply schemes for the
areas where shortage of drinking water is
experienced, give them the needed priority
and implement the same from the resources
available to them in their State's Plan.
However, the factual information with regard
to the question is being collected from the
Government of Jammu & Kashmir and will be
laid on the Table of the Sabha.

Death of Headmistress of Secondary School of
Delhi

3617. SHRI LAMBODAR BALIYAR :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether untimely death of a Head
Mistress of Secondary School in Delhi occur-
red due to carelessness and excesses of the
Directorate of Education, Delhi ;

(b) if so, details of this incident ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Smt. Gunwati died during summer
vacations when the schools were closed. The
circumstances of her death are not known to
the Directorate of Education, Delhi.

Visit of Study Team to Andamans Regarding
Timber Supply to Industry

3618. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a Study Team headed by Shri
Hejmadi, Deputy Inspector General of Forest,
visited Andaman Islands to study in detail the
working of the Forest Department and the
basis of pricing timber supplied to the
industry ;

(b) whether the study team has submitted
its report ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b) Yes, Sir.

(c) The Study Team has studied mainly
the accounting procedure followed by the
Andaman Forest Department and suggested
ways and means about the correct approach
to be made in this direction. The Team
has recommended inter alia that the Anda-
man Forest Department should be treated
as a “Service Department”. The recommen-
dations of the Team are under active exa-
mination in consultation with the Ministries
concerned.

Utilisation of Ministerial Bungalows after impo-
sition of Ceiling on Urban Property

3619. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Living space allotted to
the Ministers at the Centre and the States
conform to the physical ceiling on urban
property proposed to be legislated ;

(b) if not, the way in which it is proposed
to utilize the present bunglows ; and

(c) whether Government have considered
to allot these buildings for cultural, educa-
tional and similar other defined public pur-
poses ?

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CH ATTOPADH Y A YA) : (a) to (c) The ques-
tion does not arise since ceiilings on owner-
ship of urban property are not proposed to
be imposed with reference to physical size
of the area used for living and office purposes
by an occupant. However, the Central Go-
vernment’s present programme of construction
in the general pool does not include cons-
truction of the highest types of residences.

Transfer of Properties in anticipation of Ceiling
on Urban Property

3620. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether in anticipation of ceilings on
urban property, wealtiher section is trans-
ferring their properties into Trust or Private
Limited Companies ; and

(b) if so, the steps Government contemp-
late to see that the purpose for which the
ceiling is brought about is not defeated ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No information
is available in this Ministry.

(b) The States of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar,
Gujarat, Kciala and Uttar Pradesh have
either introduced or passed legislation prohi-
biting alienation of urban properties/ vacant
lands in Urban areas etc. The Centre has
not yet finalised their thinking. However,
suitable provisions are proposed to be made
in the Central legislation restraining transfer
of urban properties with a view to defeat the
purpose of the ceiling law.

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Written Answers 68

Thefts in Maulama Azad Medical College Hostel

3622. SHRI S. M. BAHERJEE :

SHRI 1SHAQUE SAMBHALI :

Will the Minister pf HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether thefts are on the increase in
Maulana Azad Medical College Hostel during
the last six months ; and m

(b) if so. the steps taken by Government
in this repards ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. It is not
correct to say that thefts are on the increase
during the last six months.

(b) A few thefts did, however, take place
in the Girls and Boys Hostel and on the
advice of the local police extra Chowkidars
have been provided on night duty and
places of accessibility are being blocked.
There is no increase in thefts since then.

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faraJf Hf HfoftaHT H5OTrf n| hht-hhh
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Expenditure on Beautification of Delhi

3624. SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH :

SHRI LALJI BHAI :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply
given to Unstarred Question No. 2918 on the
17th April. 1972 regarding expenditure on
beautification of Delhi and state :

(a) the amount collected m the name of
Beautification Levy and Village Development
charges from the Co-operative House-Building
societies in (i) Pritampura. (ii) Rohtak Road
and (iii) Shahdara area and the amount spent
on these areas for their beautification, sepa-
rately ;

(b) whether a copy of the orders of Lt.
Governor. Delhi imposing Beautification
Levies under the scheme of large scale Acqui-
sition, Redevelopment and Disposal of Land
in Delhi, will be laid on the Table of the
House ;

(c) the names of such House-Building
Co-operative Societies in Delhi/New Delhi
whom the Delhi Development Authority had
allotted the land but in whose case the beauti-
fication Levy has not been imposed ; and

(d) if so, the reasons for this discrimina-
tion ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The amount

«9 Written Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

collected was as under

Beautifica* Village Re-
tion charges develop-

ment char-
ges

(Rupees in lakhs)

(i) In Pritam Pura
area.

5*34

2'67

(ii) In Rohtak Road
area.

14-70

7*35

(iii) In Shahdara area.

41-62

20 % 81

Total :

61-66

30-83

A sum of rupees 1,44,302/- has been in-
curred upto May, 1972 in beautification
Schemes.

(b) The orders were issued in April 1969.
They are at statement 'A' laid on the Table
of the Home [ Placed in Library. See. No
LT-3517/72].

(c) The Delhi Development Authority has
not allotted land to any Co-operative House
Building Society. The land has been allotted by
the Delhi Administration. The beautification
levy could not be imposed on those Societies
with whom agreements were executed prior to
April, 1969 when decision to charge beautifica-
tion levy was taken. A list of five Societies who
were allotted additional land by the D. D. A.
after April, 1969 and on whom beautification
levy was imposed is at Annexure ‘B\

(d) In view of (c) above, there has been
no discrimination in the matter.

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 72

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Computer System Scheme introduced by
Indian Institute of Management,
Ahmedabad

3626. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Indian Institute of
Management, Ahmedabad has made a signi-
ficant breakthrough in applying computers to
problems of economic deve'opment ;

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL
WELFARE AND CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) to (c). A project report has

been prepared at the Indian Institute of
Management, Ahmedabad suggesting how an
on-line computer system could help the
Planning Commission and State Government
to evaluate the effectiveness of planners at the
State and district levels and determine priori-
ties for future development.

A data bank would be used containing
about three hundred data elements for each
of 330 districts. The proposal is to build a
library of indices and dictionaries to provide
quick definitions of the subset of districts
relevant for any study. The information
would include data on a variety of character-

7 i Written Answers

BHADftA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 14

isfics of the district aod the variety and (b) number of authorised agencies to
efficiency of activities within each district, whom the work of distribution of fertilizers

The data could compute ratios which would
give a set of scales on which to locate each
district relevant to the others. The cost-
effectiveness of development can be measured
by entering costs of proposed sectoral targets
and using the library of arithmetical and sta-
tical functions included in the system. The
system when completely developed will be
intended to measures and evaluate the pro-
gress of each district on the characteristic that
might reasonably by expected to change in the
short run. The relevant position of districts
on each of the scales could be used as one
basis for evaluating district plan.

The preliminary report suggests that such
a system be developed. It will, however, need
considerable amount of further study to work
out the details

While large real time computer systems
for mixed information-retrieval and analysis
for development planning could have a subs-
tantial potential for use in India, the applica-
tion of such a system can only be evaluated
after they have been developed and tested.

Misuse of Edible Oil

3627 SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether edible oil is being misused m
the count! y ; and

(b) if so, the seeps taken by Government
to prevent the misuse of edible oils ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No specific
leport regarding misuse of edible oil has been
received by the Government.

(b) Does not arise.

Distribution Policy for Fertilizers in Delhi

362&. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the distribution policy for fertilizers in
Delhi ; and

has been allotted aloogwith their addresses ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASHEB P. SHINDE) : *(a) The internal
distribution of fertilisers within a State or a
local area is the responsibility of the Slate
Government o* the local administration
concerned. However, it has been intimated
by the Delhi administration that all fertilisers
received from the Central Fertiliser Pool are
handled by the Delhi State Cooperative
Maiketing and Supply Federation Limited,
Nagloi, who distribute the fertilisers through
the village level Cooperative Societies. As
far as domestic fertilisers is concerned, the
distribution is done by the manufacturers
through their agents who have to be registered
dealers under the Fertiliser Control Order
1957.

(b) There is one authorised agency . of the
Delhi Administration viz. the Delhi State
Cooperative Marketing and Supply Federation
Limited, Nagloi, who distribute the fertilisers
through the 33 village Cooperative Societies
whose names and address are contained in
statement ‘A’ laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library See No. LT-3518/72]

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75 Written Answers

AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 76

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(»?) ifmrn h*tt % raw <tt t% aft
fsrar^r ft fsaril ni f 1 [ft«n«n ft tot
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Proposal for providing flood lights to
Konarak Temple in Orissa

3630. SHR1 ARJUN SETHI : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether any steps have been taken
by Government to work out the proposal for
providing Konarak Temple (Orissa) with
flood lights ; and

(b) if so, the progress in this regard 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE fSHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Steps have been taken by the
C.P.W.D. to award the work to a contractor
by inviting tenders.

Diversion of Fertilizers Production of
Gujarat

3631. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided to
divert fertilizer production of Gujarat State
Fertilizer Companies to other states ;

(b) the total production of Fertilizer in
Gujarat State ; and

(e^ the percentage thereof to be diverted

to States ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (Sfllkl
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The

G.S F.C , like other manufacturers, are expec-
ted to distribute fertiliser produced by them
in a number of States, within their economic
marketing zone and have in the past supplied
fertilisers to a number of such States, besides
Gujarat. The Government of India had. on
the basis of requirements of various States,
requested the G.S F.C. to supply during
Kharif, 1972, 34000 tonnes or N and 12300
tonnes of P to Gujarat, 79C0 tonnes of N to
Haryana, 2000 tonnes of N to Uttar Pradesh,
6000 tonnes of N to Madhya Pradesh. 2600
tonnes of N to Rajasthan, 5 1G0 tonnes of N
to Punjab and 33000 tonnes of N and 7700
tonnes of P to Maharashtra.

(b) and (c). The total production of the
G.S.F.C., Adarsh Chemicals and Fertilzers,
Ltd., Alembic Chemicals Works Co. Ltd. and
Anil Starch Products Ltd. located in Gujarat
is expected to be about 91000 tonnes of N
and 35000 tonnes of P during Kharif, 72. Of
these, about 56000 tonnes of N and 14000
tonnes of P will be supplied to other States
and the balance to Gujarat. In terms of
percentage about 40% of the total N and
60% of the total P produced in Gujarat will be
consumed by Gujarat State and the balance
by other States.

Development of Port Salaya in Jamnagar,
Gujarat

3632. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI D. P. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are considering
the development of Port Salaya in Jamnagar
in Gujarat ; and

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and
(b). The executive responsibility for develop-
ment of ports other than major ports ve$ts in
the State Governments concerned. The
Government of India, however, gives loans to
the State Governments under the Centrally
Sponsored Schemes for the development of

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BHADRA 6, 1894 {SARA)

Written Answers 78

cfoe selected port in each maritime State. For
t&is purpose, Porbander in Gujarat has been
selected. As regards the development of
S^iaya, no proposal is under consideration of
t^o Government of India.

Request from Gujarat State to Curb Rise
in Price of Groundnut Oil

3633. SHRI VEKARIA :

SHRI P. D. JADEJA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state ;

(a) whether the Gujarat Government have
sent any proposal to curb rise in the price of
groundnut oil ;

(b) if so, the salient features of the
proposals ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

Some proposals have been received from the
Government of Gujarat.

(b) The proposals envisage tightening of
credit control, increasing the supplies by
imports of edible oil and tallow, canalisation
of exports of H P S. groundnut, promulga-
tion of a Sales and Distribution Control
Order under the Essential Commodities Act,
and setting up or an Edible Oil Corporation at
All India level.

(c) Restrictions on credit against stocks
of groundnut and vanaspati in Gujarat have
been tightened by the Reserve Bank Besides
importing tallow, arrangements, to import
90,000 to one lakh tonnes of reapeseed are
being made. Other proposals are under
consideration*

Income and Expenditure of Delhi Transport

3634. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state the ratio of income and
expenditure prior to the taking over and after
the taking over of Delhi Transport ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : The monthly ratio of expenditure
(excluding depreciation and debt charges)
to income, after the establishment of the
Delhi Transport Corporation with effect from
3-11-1971, has been about 1J7% as compared
to about 130% previously. This ratio has fur-
ther decreased to about 113% in the current
financial year. §

Review of Schemes Undertaken by F.C.I.

3635. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the various schemes under-
taken by the Food Corporation of India are
reviewed periodically with a view to assess
their financial results ; and

(b) if so, the results of such reviews 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) In respect of the Modern Rice Mills,
which have been working for some time now,
the reviews have revealed that the mills
have not so far been able to work to their full
capacity because of various operational cons-
traints. A realistic evaluation of the economics
of the operation of these mills will be possible
only after fuller utilization of the capacity has
been achieved. In respect of other projects,
the plants have either been set up very recently
or are yet to be set up Their working will
be reviewed periodically in due course.

Mechanical Paddy Drying Centres by F.C.I. in
Tamil Nadu

3636. SHRI * V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the number of Mechanical Paddy Dry-
ing Centres established by F.C.I. in the
Thanjaran District, Tamil Nadu and how
many of them are idle and the reasons
therefor ; and

(b) the quality of paddy being dried every
year through the Dryers ?

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AUGUST 2$, 1972

Written Answers 80

THE MINISTER Off STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINTO) : (a) and (b).
Thirty Mechanical Padd|y drying Centres
have been set up by the, Food Corporation
of India in Thanjavur District of Tamil Nadu
for drying of held paddy as the paddy in
that area is normally harvested during the
rainy season wi|h high moisture content.
The actual use of the dryers depends upon
the occurrence of rains during the harvest
time. 22,616 MT and 24 f 2qp0 MT of paddy
was dried during 1969-70 and 1970-71, res-
pectively. During 1971-72 no paddy was dried.

Fertiliser Held in stock in Godowns of Food Cor-
poration of India and its Irregular Distribution

3637. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether large quantities of fertilizers
are held in stock in the various godowns of
Food Corporation of India without issue for
years together ;

(b) whether the principle of ‘First-in-First
issued* is not followed resulting in large
scale deterioration in their value; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No. It may
be relevent to mention in this context that
massive quantities of fertilisers are handled
by the Food Corporation of India every year
and distributed in the country and sizeable
stocks in transit, pipeline, etc. are unavoid-
able.

(b) The Ministry has issued standing
instructions to all supplying units, including
the Food Corporation of India, that in supply-
ing fertilisers, as far as possible, the principle
of “First-in-First issue” should be followed.
This is implemented as far as possible sub-
ject to the need to avoid double handling in
certain cases and other operational cons-
traints.

Complaints Regarding Coca-Cola Export Corpo-
ration

3638. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY

PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints regarding the Coca-Cola Export
Corporation, using the label of Fanta Orange
on the containers of its beverage product ;
and

(b) if so, the reaction of Government
thereon ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Go-
vernment had received complaints in this
regard sometime ago The Coca-Cola Export
Corporation which supplies the “Fanta
Contentrate” to all bottlers in India were-
advised to inform their bottlers to change the
label according to the approved design. They
confirmed that the suggestion had been passed
to the bottlers who were doing the needful.
The State/Union Territory Governments were
also requested to take legal action against
the offenders.

Demand for Tractors

3639. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Government have made any
assessment regarding the approximate demand
of tractors in the country for the next five
years ; and

(b) the steps Government are taking to
meet the demands and also for the satisfac-
tory supply of spare parts of tractors in the
country ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN. THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Go-
vernment of India has already entrusted to
the National Council of Applied Economic
Research the detailed study on scientific
basis about the assessment of demand for
tractors during the remaining period of the
Fourth Five Year Plan and the Fifth Five
Year Plan period. Their repoit is awaited.

(b) The Government has decided to im-
port 20,000 tractors. Besides, import of

Written Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 82

tractors as gift by Indians from their relations
living abroad has been allowed. Steps are
also being taken to increase indigenous pro-
duction of tractors. With a view to ensuring
smooth running of tractors, import of spare
parts to the r extent of 10-15% is allowed
along with the tractors. Import of spare
parts is allowed liberally for old model tractors
which were imported in the past. Import of
spare parts upto a limited extent is also
allowed to the Actual Users.

Storage Capacity of Warehousing Corporation,
Mysore

3640. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the storage capacity of Ware-
housing Corporation in the State of Mysore
is not satisfactory and is not being fully
utilized ; and

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government
in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The utilization of storage capacity available
with the Mysore State Warehousing Corpora-
tion which stood at 73.16 per cent of the
total capacity at the end of June, 1972, is
considered to be satisfactory. Efforts to imp-
rove the utilisation further, however, conti-
nue to be made by the Corporation and
include steps like wider publicity for custom,
rebates to co-operatives and agriculturists and
requests to public sector undertakings for
using its storage accommdation.

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& 31 fit snfar

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left i? unt 4 ft sit frj% far :

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f iW nit *aff fft 3111 if nrci Jr srftr
51m iaj Jr aftm ^sr-srifa i§i nr I,
afh

(s) iff eft ffnJt srfiari ?

pfir *riwi if trw *nft (sfto «9r

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3Bf? 1970 (fr«i 24) % arpn, iri if
apf 1969 ,Jf, ifeT III $1 *PT Hflfr mm
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if an Jt hi fR ^ft

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83 Written Answers AUGUST

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| Fso% srt srFo qs? gfo or arFEr* otot if
<re[ <tTO st osi f i ffo % affo totoo or
feq oq to arrow ?rt sfa ofw % ita
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if Ftotto qif wp? qg^R Mkff to

a i ^Mg W fTOTT I 1 TOTO % f 0 % ^?<TTTO

28, 1972 Written Answers 84

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fq^ff i to to arnrro tot gfor

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of fafsmf qif fqqrfro ^ affe ororo,
TOfr srf? iif ^sr groif % ^ttto if

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grr aft t Ffot oor 1 1 TOffTooff «t> if
qflOT 3ffr Eff % TO TOR OOTTTO %
qfffOTW qfof ir oofo % FstT qf| ?ff^
ot^ oar, ooof % F^q sffomoToqj to
sttFo to foTOo Foot tot | i arfoFcoi |et
off TOfq if TOif % Ftot jf qrwfe?, TO 'fit
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ofsoro opt 1 1

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8t Written Answers

BHADRA i, 894 {SAKA)

Written Answers 86

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faWTF )

4. f® tf) sn^mFTaff 5FT

fa^RT f*T,

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iftr % f*r 4?r ftwrar? rjt qfrr storT
% foq) i

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% faq T R T WPw aft? 3ft?I0j
rrwwy rr fa4>Rr i

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^ f< ^ 'R^r^rf arr f^ra <t«tt arosl
fosw *r% m^r ^i 3?rro?r i

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o <o

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srftrerw i aw ^ tfy ssrW tit
fafaw Trmrsff Jr (tfy sfy?fyf»n?y,
tfy ■mT^r, tfy 5fy«rm fasrw,

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tfy sufanw afk tfy ?3fypwfy)

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1 1

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1955-56 % 1971-72

«ro

am (*r& rarorf Jf)

1955-56

8 840

1956-57

14.328

1957-58

19.525

1958-59

20.039

1959-60

33.439

1960-61

32.030

1261-62

. 40.498

1962-63

47.900

1963-64

49.714

1964-65

* 62.606

1965-66

68.860

1966-67 •

65.168

1967-68

77.148

1968-69

86.309

1969-70

98.850

1970-71

112.507

1971-72

149.573

#r 987.334

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3^y % fsq tff ift^rHT #irn: tf §;

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f Riff % rfaraw % foq arftffrfi

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srrPgr % feq fqeff % sro 10-15 srfJwm
m 3 r%Frr») 53ft % arrow ^ ar^jrfrr %
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87 Written Answers

AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 88

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f » qwqfqq? qftqq^rfft ft ftfqq
q* arfqfwr gaff f anqter ft ft arcqfq
ftanft| 1

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fftt ift qqranqiq f%4 an t| ato farc% faq
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f?FT f :

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ft— 25,

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tfqy qrsq— 990,

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, % fan? TiarPTM ft %?ftq
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3644. ft ynn :

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qf q3T% ft fTT TR^t f% :

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f 5 HT %rftq qTTTT ?RT TTareqrq ft ?q qq

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afht qtqqrft % qm qqr I aftr qftq; ftann
% fetj fftfft qqnpq ft qf ;

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q?§q ft qf ftqqrft % qtq qqT | ark
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ft qyft ft qf sq% qm wr | afk qq%
fwq f%?rft srqnftr ft qf ; aifa

(q) uatrariq % fftft qifti 4 ft4 %
qjqt ft qfqq sqq**n qft | ?

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qn fqqfq ftr anqrq ftnasq 8f Tim *fft
(fto fto fto q eft qT t qm) : (qr) ark
(’q) . ?qkq ffiftq arq ftq ft %?ftq ftarcr
% sRiqq qrw qq % fftj uarpqiq uaq ft
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ftqqrq qft ft farqq 4 441 aw qftt ft
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qf qrq uaq q?qrR <TT ftf ft qf I far
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?q qq % q)q qnq 1 ?iaq arwriq
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qiq 3fk TT.q % 5qt^ #qR arr t| f
ftr qf ^qqr qqT-qsai q* w ft arftft 1

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ftnasq srt fiar ft 4 fqrtr qir ^aqtqrq
4 qqi war | fo ?i¥ 4 Tiaraqrq 4 4277

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Procurement and Selling Prices of Wheat in
States

3645. SHRI R. R. SHARMA
DR. LAXMINARAIN
PANDEYA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the rates at which wheat has been
procured from farmers in the various States
during the last three years. State-wise ;

89 1 Written Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 96

(b) the rates at which th6 Food Corpora-

tion of India has sold it to consumers and
the flour mills etc. ; *

(c) the total amount of expenditure
incurred by the said Corporation on pro-
curement etc. per quintal during the last
year and current year separately ; and

(b) the steps being taken to 'educe this
expenditure ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) A statement
containing the required information is given
in Statement I laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT. 3520/72],

(b) The Food Corporation of India does
not sell wheat directly to the consumers.
The Corporation issues wheat to the State
Governments and Roller Flour Mills at
Rs. 78/- per quintal ex Food Corporation of
India godowns/F.O R. destination Railway
Station, and the State Governments, after
adding the distribution cost, fix the sale price
at which wheat is supplied to the consumers
by the fair price shops.

(c) and (d). statement II giving the
required information is laid on the Table of
the House. [Placed in Library . See No.
LT 3520/72]

Assessment for Food Requirements of Drought
Affected States

3646. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government in consuls taion
with the different State Governments have
assessed the requirements of foodgrains to
tide over the drought— condition prevailing ;

(b) if so. the quantities State- wise
required, available and to be supplied by
Central pool and the arrangements have been
made to move the stocks required ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Government of India is cons-
tantly in touch with the concerned State
Governments in regard to the quantities of
foodgrains required by them from time to time
and has met all their reasonable demands.

(c) No firm estimate of the loss in produc-
tion due to drought is yet available, as the
position is changing and will continue to
change with the further behaviour of the mon-
soon in the coming months. An Emergency
Production Programme, on a country-wide
scale, has been taken up to ensure that loss
due to drought is made up by additional
production of summer and rabi crops.

aw ft if Jitor

3647 ft pPTO* : q*TT

aft* qft*R fo ftaw jfeft ^ srtt^
ft fTTT fir :

(i?r) w ?Riprc it tot sr&r %

% an* 3 ftf tffspir «RRT I, ^
ft 4T eft eft*T jft® ft ft arftFP £*t %
'TH't eTPTT q^eTT | *TT 50 qfo % ft
arfsR? ir qrfft sqsrw artr zrf*

^t, eft ’Tift ft f®TT ffepft afa

(m) ar?t ftft' ft ifft % fan* fr*t

3T5J gqeTSST ’FTt’t % f nT *R4»R 5RT
qrpTSTT^t ft 3IT Tft | ?

’ wrcwi sftr qfisrc ftfferc fares
fisfa arh ansra fares if ttw fa"t (sfto
fto qto ^ftqiaqro) : (*) *src«T aftr
qforR fjRt3R fares gRr ffij sq amt-
aft % a^TR ftft qaarffs

qtaprr % qjs ir *nss ala if 6400 sta ^
«t faaif a eft ^ ft?? ft yet f apsr-
3TR* afk a ft 50 fte ft eTP Tpft
aqa«s 1

(a) are tfa qrnf^r ttw fa %
aPePTel 3TT5TT | aftr ftft qasffa staST if
arsar JT^r Jf SR 3T?T ^ % fa? 8 4Rt?

91 Written Answers

AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 92

w <rkam ffHRT faqr *mt 1 1 armr | %

■ftft 3PTT % 3RT JW % FT qqqTHT
% aRnfsr sjnwr 5400 ^nft aTgfaqRqqi
«ri* aw qrmft i %?ftq tt*r sm ft wf
*T*TFq TfmTT %,aww *R TT ft qcq
srfw qft 3r§fq*n3Rq? sift Tiff ft qfa qq
Tift q>rft ft Tim qft afk ft* qRft %
foq tT^r <p<tf 50 aam qqft qft Fiufft qq
pTWcT*T faqr TTT | I STTOT | fti RT OT
Tiftr % 600 ark Tift aft qrft fftsft ^ttt i

Tisq ft am 3R qqqqm fit afk
ft* qRft ft fq*R at ft?ftq rrcwr ft
snTfkrqr arfftor arftat «fw ^ft % fair
ft faft* awftqor spriftt qqr fa^sr ^ft
ark ftkrqrq *tr qRft % feq fafrq
faftfaq afk STTFTT fTTfft aft ft ftmfafft
ft ft | famft foq 5iq sfftnTq ft
ariqft i ?ar war aft Tarsrft Fqqft aft
wnmT ft fftreft % fftq ans ftar gqif
asrft fift qft#' (fffaT ft) ft ft nf
| afk ftft qkmr ft ft* arqfft ft tr?
afk wftft ftft qq fTTR 1 1

Cost of Setting up a Soviet AID 100 bed Paedi-
atric Warden in Alleppy Medical College,
Kerala

3648. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state the approxi-
mate cost of setting up of the Russia/i
equipped 100 bed paediatric ward io the
Alleppy Medical College, Kerala ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CH VTTOPADH YA Y A) : The question of
cost does not arise because no such Russian
equipped 100 bed paediatric ward has been
sanctioned by this Government for being set
up at Alleppy Medical College, Kerala. How-
ever, receipt of various items of equipments
as gifts from Russia have been approved for
use in the Paediatric Department. Since
these equipments will be gifts, the question
of cost does not arise.

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afk qk*R fftffaPT ftwft *mft
qft fTT qrrft fa :

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ft ®k qaff % foq qfaq> afffR TTI RIFT-
qqqqiq *55lft % foq fqffm Tl^ff «ft

farft farffa TfRTT ft |;

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ftt *t*t ft TfT I; afk

(t) qqr qfqft qqr arm

q>q*rk sqfcqqf qft ft ft q'tsmr % ar?qqq
Trfq* faqr 5Hqqr ?

TTHiT 3ftT TfTTR foft** f*l?m
ttt fanfa ark an*m fsrrm ft trt
feft (fto fto q^o *«ftqrtqiq) : (sp)
TfTTR fqjrm qqi TTR q;?iiior

faqriT jri qqf % faq sft qf sqqTqr
FT q^iT | •

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c\ «

ftsRraff ft fwq 1972-73 ft fklT qfa*R

q*e ft 81.28 wig 5<rft qft 5qqT*TT ftf

*tt:

( 1 ) fSRTff qqr 5llft ft ^q «ft
m, ft q^ff t>t fa^kqr, qqaft
®tft qqi fjftqq ft ftTSRT fk
qfqft qf^Tiaff qq kftq?r ir

fTW I

(2) qf^raft fk q^ft ft ftqfaqr
Tqq-sffaqr qft ftqmrq i

(3) fw ft fqjifqq ‘q’ fttqnft qfo

Written Answers

BHAORA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 94

sferf Jf fanfro

qrm grof if JTT% aTHTT* qft

TfarqTq i

2. *mnMf5qm from

qrof ft to£ 1 gfeTOH, srrfTO gift weft
srk sm «sf! % grof, qggg) tot
*TOTCT qffSTqf % f?m qtqoj qroqq %
faTT tor gsm fagro % gsrc Jr 1972-73
% gkrq 20.00 qkte ^ ft mroi ft
gf t»

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gq gTfro «rolr Jr =ro | gk ztItot

SWT (3) 3TTET q^T, %T<=T, TOT,

qfqTOTS, fq|R, TOkTT, qfrrn TOR,
q|RIc7, g^ITTcT, ^fTORTT % TTTOf TOT

gsrgtq gk faqtanr ?tg to^ % fwfm
qft 5rr |, sr^t fa fasifTO ‘it’ ft ggg
qiTt TOlt qcTTl qicft | I fg qq % ?kPT
fggJl q^/qf^OTsfl' to ^ JiqT qfqif
qnqift gqqrt gsgr qq TT3gqR sqkT froTor

1 Jf fTOT qqi | 1 ft PqT-TCg qT TTJT
TOT | [TO1TTO Jf TOTT TOT I gfatT RTOT
LT— 3521/72].

2. tort qiTOTor frorTT qt qtqqT
JTqjTO TTTO tot gwTO q^g qk
gfakig TO flTfgg iTOf ft 3lf qR gqt

titoTt gk to wifgq £ft Jr t|1 1 1
1972-73 % 55TO> qq TnrqqTT sqkr from

2 Jr Mr qqT | ft gm-q^g qq tst
tot 1 1 [ggrro Jf ?*5 t tot i gfarifr tttot
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Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act

3650. SHRJ HUKUM CHAND

KACHWAI :

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to refer to
the reply given to un-starred Question No.
1788 on the 3rd April, 1972 regarding enforce-
ment of Abortion Law and state :

(a) whether Government have information
from the various States and Union Terri-
tories regarding number of cases of abortion
performed since Medical Termination of
Pregnancy Act came into force ; and

(b) If so, the figures thereof, upto July,
1972, State-wise and Territory-Wise ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) Figures as obtained from State Go-
vernments/Union Territories are given in the
statement laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3522/72].

New Examination System at Degree Level in
Delhi University

3651. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will the
Minister of E&UCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to* state :

(a) whether Delhi University was com-
pelled to reverse its earlier decision of new
examination system at Degree level ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b).
No final decision in this regard has been taken
by the University.

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 96

World Bank Loan for . Implementation
of Agricultural Development in orissa
and other States

, 3652. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will
the Minister of AGRICLUTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Orissa State's Agricultural
development programme is being implemented
with the active support of the Centre and loan
assistance of World Bank ; ancl

(b) if so, whether World Bank loan will
be made available to other States also for
similar programme ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).

There is no agricultural project in Orissa at
present under implementation with financial
assistance from the World Bank.

A statement is laid on the table of the
House is [Placid in Library. See No. LT.
3523/72]. The Statement is Showing

(i) projects approved for financial assis-
tance from the World Bank ;

(li) projects posed to the World Bank
for assistance and presently under
their consideration ; and

(iii) projects presently under preparation
for posing to the World Bank for
financial assistance.

All the State Governments have been
requested to formulate more projects in the
agricultural sector to be presented to the
World Bank for financial assistance. Guide-
lines for formulation of projects have also
been sent to the State Governments by the
Ministry of Agricultifte.

Educational Teams sent Abroad

3653. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the number of educational teams
sent abroad from India in 1971 and 1972
(up to June) and the composition of each of
such teams ;

(b) the countries visited by each of such
teams and the number of days tour was
arranged for each of them ;

(d) names of persons belonging to educa-
tional organisations selected for the purpose
and sent abroad in each case ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a)
to (d). The information is being collected
and will be laid on the Table of the House
when received.

Report of the High Level Committee on
National Health Scheme for Rural
Areas

3654. SHRI P. M. MEHTA :

SHRI NARENDRA SINGH :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the names of members of the High
Level Committee set up to go into the ques-
tion of National Health Scheme for rural
areas ; and

(b) When the Committee is likely to
submit its report ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH FAMILY PLA-
NNING AND IN THE MINISTRY
OF WORKS & HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The Committee
consists of the following

1. Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya,

Union Minister of State for Health
& Family Planning— Chairman

2. Shri L. Chowdhury,

Minister of Health, Bihar.

3. Smt. Sharda Rani,

Deputy Minister, Health, Haryana.

4. Shri L. C, Prarthi,

Minister of Health,

Himachal Pradesh.

Written Answers

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Written Answers 98

; 5. Dr. lUfiq Zakaria.

‘ Health Minister,

* Maharashtra.

6. Shri H. Siddaveerappa,

Minister of Health,

Mysore.

7. Shri Harideo Joshi,

Minister of Health,

Rijasthan.

8. Shri Ihezhe Sema,

Medical Minister,

Nagaland.

9. Shri K. Andazhagan,

Minister of Health,

Tamil Nadu.

10. Shri Dharam Dutt Vaid,

Minister of Health,

Uttar Pradesh.

11. Shri A. K. Panja,

Health Minister,

West Bengal.

(b) The State Governments have been
requested to consider the suggestions made
at the Health Ministers’ Conference and revise
the scheme to suit conditions prevailing in the
respective States and to forward the revised
schemes by the 15th of September, 1972 to
the Government of India. The Committee
will be able to submit its report only after
the revised schemes are received and scruti-
nised.

Traffic at Qutab Road Crossing, Delhi

3655. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is always a traffic jam
at the Qutab Road Crossing, Sadar Bazar,
Delhi ;

(b) whether at this crossing roads remain
blocked on both sides by parking of vehicles
and tongas which keep plying round the cros-
sing iof passengers ;

opened their Offices on this road and keep
road blocked ; and

(d) if so, the steps being taken in the
matter to protect this important business
Centre from daily traffic hazards and acci-
dents ?

THE MINISTER OF ^HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS AND
HOUSING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) No, Sir. Congestion is,

however, sometimes created due to inadequacy
of the present road net work to handle heavy
traffit.

(b) No, Sir. However, the existence of a
large number of slow moving traffic decreases
the road capacity available for clearance
of traffic.

(c) Yes, Sir Some Transport Compa-
nies have opened their offices in this area and
sometime they stack their goods on the
pavement in which case prosecution as well as
removal a action is taken.

(d) According to the provisions of the
Master Plan, Qutab Road is to be widened
to 100. The inter-section design of the
Qutab road and Sadar Bazar road has also
been prepared. Meanwhile, plying of heavy
transport vehicles during peak hours has been
prohibited Prosecutions for improper parking
and unauthorised encroachment on roads are
made regularly, Traffic is regulated and
controlled by the Traffic Poljpe at this impor-
tant road junction manually.

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Written Answers 102

* Judgement' of High Court Calcutta Regarding
Payment of dues to Seamen

3659. SHR1MATI BXBHA GHOSH
GOSWAM1 : m\ the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether he is aware of the judgement
in a Civil Rule No. 6464(W) of 1968 of
Girijanath Bhattacharji versus the Union of
India delivered by the High Court at Calcutta
on 12th April, 1972 regarding the reinstatement
of the petitioner concerned;

(b) if so, whether that judgement has so
far been given effect to by his Department :

(d) whether all outstanding dues of the
Seaman concerned have since been cleared off
by the Shipping Master Calcutta ?

TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) (a)
The information is given below

Year

No. of registrations cancelled
Bombay Calcutta

•

1969

875

285

1970 '

* * 1393

300

1971

t 1045

441

(b) Only four Seamen at the Port of
Calcutta moved the Higher Court under
Article 226 of the Constitution of India for
redress.

Number of Fair Price Shops in Delhi

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a)
Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

(d) The Seaman concerned accepted all
dues except an amount of Rs. 74.85 at the
time of closing of the Article of Agreement.
This amount, which is lying in deposit with
Shipping Master, Calcutta has not yet been
collected by the seaman.

Cancellation of Registration of Seamen

3660. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH
GOSWAMI : Will the Minister of SHIPPING
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) the number of cancellation of
Registrations of Seamen for the last three years,
Port-wise; and

(b) how many of such Seamen moved the
High Court under Article 226 of the Consti-
tution of India for redress 7

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND

3661. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) the total number of Fair Price Shops
at present functioning in Delhi ;

(b) whether the existing number of Fair
Price Shops in Delhi is adequate :

(c) whether there is any proposal to in-
crease the number of Fair Price Shops in Delhi
keeping in view the rising prices of essential
commodities in the open market ; and

(d) whether it is also proposed to ensure
that the fair price shops sell only those items
of goods ; which the Government ask them to
sell at a fair price ?

•

TftE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The total number of fair price shops function-
ing at present in Delhi is 1736 which is
adequate for meeting the requirements of the
public.

(d) No, Sir.

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 104

Import of Sugar

3662. SHR1 SHASHI SHUSH AN :

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have seen press
reports which appeared in the newspapers on
the Sth August, 1972 to the fffect that India
shall have to import sugar : and

(b) the factual position in this regard ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) There is no proposal to import
sugar.

Extension of service of D.T C Buses upto
Swami Mandir, R. K. Puram

3663. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware that
the buses which go to R. K. Puram, New
Delhi generally stop at sector I ;

(b) whether residents of sectors 7, 8, 9
and 12 of R. K Puram have to face a lot
of inconvenience on this account ; and

(c) whether Government would see that
the buses which terminate at Sector 1 go at
least upto Swami Malai Mandir so that the
residents of Sectors 7, 8, 9 and 12 could also
be benefited, as the existing arrangement Is
very inadequate ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN* THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c) The services which
terminate at Sector 1 are actually extensions
of the services which are mainly operated
during peak hours for the convenience of the
people working in the various offices located
near Sector 1. The extension of these services
to Swami Mala! Mandir is not considered
feasible.

As regards Sectors 7, 8, 9 and 12, the
services provided are, by and large, adequate.

These Sectors are at present covered by twelve
routes. The position is, however, being cons-
tantly under watch and the services will be
strengthened as and when necessitated. With
the additions in the fleet of the DTC also the
services will be augmented.

Non-availability of Sugar at Fair Price Shops
in Delhi

3664. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN ; Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleaded to
state :

(a) whether for some weeks no sugar is
being sold to consumers from fair price
shops in Delhi ;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and

(c) the arrangements made by Government
to ensure continuous supply of sugar from
fair price shops to ration card holders since
the price of sugar in the open market is al-
most double the controlled price and the
consumers have to face great difficulty due to
its non availability from fair price shops ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir, but this was
the position only in respect of some of the fair
price shops.

(b) A few sugar factories from which
sugar had been allotted to Delhi obtained
interim orders from courts restraining the
Government from enforcing the Sugar (Price
Determination) Order. 1972, subject to the
factories providing bank guarantees for the
difference between the prices fixed by the
Government and the price at which sugar was
actually sold. This resulted in disturbing the
smooth working of the levy system of distri-
bution of sugar.

Amount for Development of Education in
Fifth Plan

3663. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM
KAKODKAR :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) the amount Education Ministry has
demanded from the Planning Commission fpr

103? Written Answers BHADRA 6, ii94 (SAKA)

the development of education in the Fifth
Fivfe Year Plan ; and

(b) the action of the Planning Com-
mission V

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) and (b). Proposals for the

Fifth Plan are still under examination in the
Ministry of Education and Social Welfare.
No demand has been made to the Planning
Commission.

Delivery of Ships by Rumania

3666. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Miniter of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Rumania has agreed to give
India three ships ;

(b) if so, when they are likely to be
delivered to India ; and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a)
to (c). Orders for ten ships have been placed
in October 1969 on Rumanian Shipyards.
These ships were scheduled for delivery bet-
ween 1 12.1972 and 31.12.1975. The
Rumanian Shipbuilders expressed their in-
ability to deliver these ships at contracted
price. An amicable settlement has, however,
been reached. These ten ships will now be
delivered between 1.4.1973 and 15,1.1976.

Report of Committee for Promotion of Urdu

3667. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHI : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state ;

(a) whether the Committee for Promotion
of Urdu has since submitted its report ;

Written Answers 106

(b) if so, the recommendations made
therein ; and

. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a)
No Sir. •

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Mock Parliament Competition

3668 SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO
SHRI K. MALLANNA :

Will the Minister of PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS be pleased to state :

(a) the number of mock Parliament
competitions held during 1971-72 ;

(b) the number of competitions held within
Delhi and rest of the country separately ;

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a)
and (b). During the year 1971-72 only one
(i.e. a 6th) Annual Mock Parliament Competition
was held. No information is available with
this Department in regard to similar compe-
titions held in other parts of the country.

(c) No financial assistance is given to the
Institutions for organising such competitions.
They are only assisted in training the teacher-
in-charge and participating students in learn-
ing parliamentary procedures and in adjudg-
ing the performances. The Department incurs
expenditure only on organising Annual Prize
Distribution Function where prizes distributed
to individual students, trophies to schools and
Shield to the best school on the basis of
performance during the year. The total ex-
penditure incurred during the year 1971-72
amounts to Rs. 4500/- approximately.

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 108

Return of defective Tractors imported from
G.D.R. and Relief provided in Lieu thereof

3669. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the numtJer of v defective tractors re-
turned so far to G.D.R. and the amount
refunded to the pui chasers for each tractor ;

(b) whether Government propose to pro-
vide immediate relief to the farmers in getting
the money spent by the farmers on the pur-
chase of such tractors refunded to State
Trading Corporation ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The required
information is being collected from the con-
cerned State Agro Industries Corporation
and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha
after it is received.

(b) to (c). Amounts for a number of
RS— 09 tractors covered under the fiist Pro-
tocol have already been paid by some of
the State Agro-Industries Corporations to the
RS — 09 tractor-owners in lieu of the tractors
returned by them. Negotiations for the
second Protocol to cove*- the return of the
remaining RS— 09 tractors are now going on
with the GDR representatives.

Report by National Commission on Agriculture

3670. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO :

SHRI PRABHUD^S PATEL :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to slate ;

(a) whether the National Commission on
Agriculture has submitted its report to Govern-
ment ;

(b) whether Government has asked them
to submit the interim report ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The National Commission on Agriculture has
not submitted its Final Report as yet. How-
ever, the Commission has submitted ten
Interim Reports on the following subjects so
far : —

(i) Multiplication and distribution of
quality seeds pertaining to high-yiel-
ding varieties and hybrids of cereals.

(li) Fertiliser distribution.

(iii) Some aspects of Agricultural Re-
search, Extension and Training,

(iv) Credit Services for Small and Margi-
nal Farmers and Agricultural La-
bourers.

(v) Milk Production through Small and
Marginal Farmers and Agricultural
Labourers

(vi) Establishment of Agro-meteorologi-
cal Division in Agricultural Universi-
ties.

(vii) Production Forestry - Man - Male
Forests.

(viii) House-Sites for Landless Agricul-
tural Labourers.

(ix) Soil Survey and Soil Map of India.

(x) Potato Seeds.

(c) The Final Report of the Commrssion
is expected to be submitted by December,
1973 and Interim Reports on a few other
subjects are likely to be submitted to the
Government before that late.

Services of Village based Practitioners of Indi-
genous System of Medicine

3671. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a scheme to utilise the
services of viHage- based practitioners of Indi-
genous System of medicine ;

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

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" (b) when this scheme is likely to be in-
troduced ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on the
Table of the Sabha. [Placed in library . See
No. LT. 3524/72]

Grants to States for Drinking Water Supply
Programme

3672. SHRI NAENDRA SINGH : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Central Government has
promised a grant of rupees one crore to the
Government ot Punjab for drinking water
supply programme of that State ;

(b) if so, whether any such grant has
been promised to other States and the criteria
for such grants to be given to the States ;

(d) whether Madhya Pradesh is one of
such State who have requested for such grant
and the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). Under
the Central Scheme of Accelerated Rural
Water Supply started from the current year,
schemes costing Rs. 20 crores have been
sanctioned during this year to various States
and Union Territories for accelerating the
provision of drinking water in the disadvan-
taged areas. The amount has been allocated
to various States taking into account the cost
involved in covering the parmanently disad-
vantaged villages in each State and factors
like organisational capacity, preparedness, etc,,
of each State. A copy of this Ministry's letter
No.Q. 11011/3/72— PHE addressed to all States

and Union Territories giving the details of
the scheme as also the State-wise allocations
is laid on the Table of the House [Placed*
in Library . See No. LT. 3525/72].

U. K. Scholarships for Indian Students for

Higher Education and Research Work

3673. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER-
JEE: Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state : *

(a) the types of scholarships available for
Indian students for receiving higher education
and doing research work in the United King-
dom for which funds are provided by the
Government of U.K. ;

(b) the method of selection of students
for such scholarships ; and

(c) whether there have been any instan-
ces when students selected or recommended
by the Government of India for such scholar-
ships have not been finally approved by the
U.K. Government ; if so, Government of
India’s reaction thereto ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) ; (a)
The Government of the U K. offers awards
under the following schemes :

(i) Commonwealth Scholarship/Fellow-
ship Plan : Government of U. K.
Scholarships ; B

. (ii) Commonwealth Education Study
Fellowships ; and

(iii) Commonwealth Medical Fellowhips.

% •

(b) In regard to schemes mentioned at
(i) and (ii) above : Applications are invited
by advertisement in the leading newspapers of
the country and also by circulation to State
Governments, Universities, etc Duly consti-
tuted Selection Committees consisting of ex-
perts in the subject -fields on which the Minist-
ry and the donor Government are also repre-
sented, shortlist candidates to be called for
interview after screening the applications.
Candidates are interviewed and nominated

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 112

on the basis of academi# qualifications, re-
search work and publications ; professional/
practical experience ; knowledge of India/
donor country and general personaity, geneial
awareness pnd mental acumen. Nominations
are then forwarded to the agencies concerned
in the U.K. which make the final selection
from the nominations received.

•

In regard to (iii) above : Awards

are made by the Commonwealth Com-
mission on the nomination of British
Universities and Medical Schools (made thro-
ugh the Post-graduate Deans or directly by
the Universities and Medical Schools) to the
Commission, and also by the Medical Colleges
and Faculties of Medicine in Indian Univer-
sities with the concurrence of the appropriate
governmental authorities in India.

(c) There have been instances under the
Commonwealth Scholarships and Fellowship
Plan when some of the candidates nominated
by the Government of India have not been
finally selected. This, however, is unavoid-
able under the procedure accepted by member
countries for the Commonwealth Scholarship
and Fellowship Plan. According to this pro-
cedure a country which has instituted scholar-
ships invites nominations from other countries.
A preliminary competition is then held in
the nominating country to shortlist nominees
for final consideration by the awarding
country . Any Commonwealth country which
has a quota of awards to divide between other
member countries invites them to send about
twice as many nominations as the number of
awards available to that country. A measure
of flexibility is thus possible when final selec-
tions for the scholarships are made by the
donor country.

In accordance with this the U.K. Com-
monwealth Commission annually invites 67
nominations from India with the intention of
offering awards to at least roughly half this
number. It is clear,* therefore, that only half
the number of our nominees can expect final
selection .

Cost of construction of Second Bridge
over River Hooghly

3674. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER-
JEE : Will the Minister cf SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state the estimat-
ed total cost of the construction of Second

Bridge over River Hooghly at Calcutta and
the extent to which the Centra] Government
is going to bear such costs ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : According to the initial assess-
ment of the Government of West Bengal who
are primarily concerned with all matters
relating to the execution of this work, the
cost of this project (bridge and its immediate
approaches) was estimated at Rs. 16.52 crores.
The Government of India agreed in January
1969 to provide to the State Government with
a non-plan loan which is intended to meet
the entire expenditure during the 4th Plan
period on the bridge and its immediate ap-
proaches. According to the latest information
given by the State Government, this work is
now estimated to cost Rs. 42.27 crores. They
have added that the cost is likely to go up
further due to price escalation. Insurance and
additional work considered necessary.

Re-Constitution of National Co-operative Deve-
lopment Corporation as Apex Body for
Agricultural Development

3675. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Expert Committee on the
National Co-operative Development Corpora-
tion has recommended that the Corporation
should be re-constituted as an apex body con-
centrating on Agricultural Development ; and

(b) if so, the reaction of t he Union Go-
vernment ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) As provided
in the National Co-operative Development
Corporation Act, 1962, the present functions
of the Corporation relate to the planning,
promotion and financing of the programmes
for the production, processing, marketing,
storage, export and import of agricultural
produce and other notified commodities
through co-operative societies. The Expert
Committee has recommended the extension of
the activities of the Corporation to cover
co-operative programmes for the development

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BHADRA 6, 1894 ( SAKA )

Written Answers 114

of, dairy, poultry, fishery, forest produce,
tobacco and salt as well, and the constitution
of a broad-based General Council represent-
ing various co operative interests.

(b) The recommendations of the Expert
Committee are under consideration of the
Government.

Production and Buffer Stock of Groundnut Oil in
Gujarat

3676. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : Will
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether Union Government have asked
the Gujarat Government to create bufier stocks
for groundnut in forthcoming groundnut oil
policy ;

(b) if so, whether Centre has also asked
the Gujarat Government to raise the ground-
nut oil production ;

(c) whether Union Government have
also directed ihe State Government (o increase
ihe production of substitute oils, like soya-
bean ;

(d) whether Union Government have
agreed to help the Slate Government in
achieving this aim ; and

(e) if so, the mam features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P SH1NDE) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Increased production of groundnut is
one of the piiority items in our plan

(c) to (e). Yes, Sir. A centrally Sponsored
Scheme for the development of soyabean
production has been initiated in Gujarat since
1971-72, Provision has been made under the
scheme for the following financial assistance
to the State Governmcrt.

(i) k 23% subsidy on plant protection

chemicals and equipment.

(ii) 25% subsidy on improved seed subject
to a maximum of Rs. 60/- per
quintal.

(iii) Grant of Rs. 200/- for each demons-
tration of 0.4 hectaro (one acre)
each.

(iv) Entire cost of staff and contingencies.

An area of 580 hectares \ws covered under
this scheme during 1971-72 in Gujarat. The
area coverage target envisaged for 1972-73
is 2,000 hectares^

Central Aid for Dairy Projects in Gujarat

3677. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Union Government have
agreed to give Central aid for dairy projects
in Gujarat State ;

(b) if so, the total Joan to be given ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Since 1969-70, Central Assistance is
channalised to all the State Governments for
the Fourth Plan Schemes in block loans and
grants and is not related to any individual
progamme or sector.

.Under the Operation FJood Programme
(WFP Project-618), Indian Dairy Corporation,
Baroda, will give a loan of Rs. 6.25 crores
for the Dairy Projects.

•

Dominant position of a Private Company in
Fishing Industry

3678. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question
No 1040 on 7th August, 1972 regarding
dominant position of a private company in
fishing industry and state :

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 116

(a) whether the U.f. Government has
advanced massive loans to* this Company out
of PL-480 Funds ; and

(b) whether this company has been
exporting shrimps to its Associate in America
at prices muefy cheaper than offered by
Japanese buyers ?

THE MINISTER OF $TATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The

US.A.I.D. had given a loan to Union
Carbide India Ltd. from PL-480 funds in
1963. This loan was for the expansion of
the company's polythene and chemical
facilities at Trombay and was not in
connection with any fishing operation.

(b) The firm has been exporting shrimp
to an American firm. Union Carbide (India)
Ltd. are operating from the Visakhapatnam
Port where cargo vessels bound for Japanese
ports do not call because of the limited
quantity of frozen cargo available for export
at this port.

Request from States to reduce Free Market
Quota of Sugar

3679. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether any State Government has
requested the Central Government to reduce
the “free market” quota of sugar ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines of their
demands ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No such request has
so far been received from the State Govern-
ments.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

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AUGUST 28, 1972

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Specific Schemes submitted by Andhra Pradesh
Government under Crash Programme for
Rural Employment

3685. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI
RLDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to refer to the reply given
to Unstarred Question No. 6024 on the 15th
May, 1972 regarding the schemes under crash
piogiamrr.e for rural employment submitted
by Andhra Pi adesh Government duiing 1972-
73 and state -

(a) whether specific schemes under
‘Crash scheme for rural employment’ have
since been submitted by Andhra Pradesh
Government ; and

(b) if so, the estimated amount of the
scheme District-wise ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The Govern-

ment of Andhra Pradesh have not up till now
supplied the particulars of projects that may
have been sanctioned by them during 1972-73

Ill Written Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

therefore, the information about estimated
amount of the schemes approved district-wise
is not available. However, the State Govern-
ment has been asked to furnish the
particulars.

Shortage of D. T. C. Buses in Rural Areas

3686. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is very acute shortage
of DTC buses in the rural areas of Delhi and
the local leadership have been pressing the
Corporation for deputing more buses on the
routes of rural areas ; and

(b) if so, how many roules have been
provided after taking over of the Delhi
Transport Undertaking by the Central
Government ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). Prior to the 3rd

November 1971, thirty-six main and subsidiary
loutes were being operated, with a fleet or
81 buses, to serve the ruzal areas. After the
establishment of the Delhi Transport Corpo-
ration, thiee new routes have been introduced
and the number of buses increased to 85.
On a few route®, the number of trips has also
been increased and, in some cases, the routes
extended to covei more areas.

Representations have been received for a
few additional trips on five routes and also
for running bus services on new routes
The request for additional trips is being
examined by the Delhi Transport Corporation
Authorities. The question of providing
services on new toutes can, however, be
considered only after some of the additional
vehicles, for which orders have been placed,
are received.

Probation of Offenders Act

368 /. SHRI NARSINGH NARAIN
PANDEY : Will the Minister of EDUCA-
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased
tq state :

(a) whether the State Government of

Uttar Pradesh has adopted a phased pro-
gramme to abolish the Probation Department
without repealing the U.P. First Offenders
Provision Act and doing away with its
obligatory duties in spite of the policy of the
Government of India to the contrary ; and

(b) whether the U.P. Government so
far has not enforced tfic Probation of
Offenders Act passed by Parliament ?

THE DEPUTY-MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELTARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D, P. YADAV) :

(a) and (b). The Uttar Pradesh First
Offenders (Probation) Act 1938 is enforced in
Uttar Pradesh. They have not enforced the
Probation of Offenders Act, 1958, which was
enacted as a Central Act and would come
into force m a State on such date as the State
Government may notify. The State Govern-
ment has not yet notified the date.

In 1965, on grounds of economy, the
Uttar Pradesh Government re-organised the
probation work declaring a number of Distiict
Probation Officers as surplus. They are
reported to be reconsidering the matter now.

Ships for Coastal Traffic

3688. DR RAN BN SEN : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) how many Indian ships are engaged
in Coastal traffic ; and

(b) whether the total tanker tonnage would
be barely 20,000 at the end of the Fourth
Plan against the target of 80,000 ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and

(b) . 59 ships of 2,01,217 grt are engaged in

coastal shipping. These include four tankers
of 38,552 grt. Three of these tankers, of
20,359 grt, will be more than 20 years old
before the end of the Fourth Plan on 31-3-1974
and will be (normally) due for scrapping.
Out of the orders for five costal tankers of
63,000 grt 4 one tanker of 11,000 grt is
scheduled for delivery by the end of 1973. If
three overaged tankers are scrapped during

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 124

the Fourth Plan, the coityft&l tonnage will be
about 20,000 grt. By December 1975 how-
ever, the remaining four linkers on order will
also be delivered and $he tonnage will be
about 72,000 grt.

Plight of Harijans in Ffoodcd Villages in
Delhi

«.

3689. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government's attention has
been invited to the news item appearing in the
“Times of India" dated 10th July, 1972 under
the ‘‘Plight of Harijans in flooded villages*’ in
Delhi ; and

(b) if so, what special steps Government
have taken to meet the requiements of the
Harijans ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a)

Yes.

(b) On occurrence of the calamity, the
officers of Delhi Administration visited the
affected villages. Free ration, fodder and
fuel were distributed for a week to the
affected families. Sirkis and bamboos were
also distributed for proposition against the
rains.

Soyabean Cultivation

3690. DR. RANEN SEN :

DR. LAXMINARAIN

PANDEYA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state : ,

(a) whether during 1971-72 soyabean culti-
vation has suffered a setback ; and

(b) if so, the reasons thereof and what
is the present target for soyabean cultivation ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir.

Sovabe&n Development Programme was taken

up for the first time under a Centrally
Sponsored Scheme during 1971-72 in four
States namely, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra,
Gugarat and Uttar Pradesh. As against the
coverage target of 45,000 hectares fixed for
1971-72 in these States, an area of 32,317-97
hectares (16,120—97 under pure crop and
16, 197 under mixed crop) was covered.

(b) The reasons for shortfall in achieving
the target during 1971-72 are as follows :

( i ) Non-availability of adequate quantity
of good quality certified seed,

(ii) High cost of certified seed.

fiii) Lack of suitable variety for inter-
cropping in cotton, which is the
major plank of the programme in
Maharashtra and Gujarat and
absence of mosaic resistant varieties
for Northern States.

(iv) Problem of low germination of seed
under field conditions,

(v) Slow pace of development of protein
food industries utilising the protein
rich meal which would help in
establishing a remunerative price of
soyabean.

The targets for 1972-73 for soyabean culti-
vation in the above four States has been fixed
at 59,000 hectares as detailed below, keeping
in view the avaiiiabiliy of seed ;

1. Uttar Pradesh 25,000 hectares (pure)

2. Madhya Pradesh 20,000 hectares (pure)

3. Maharashtra 12,000 hectares (mixed)

4. Gujarat 2,000 hectares (mixed)

59,000 hectares

Delhi Administration decision to stop
grants to Harijans’ Welfare
Organisations

3691. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Delhi Administration baa
decided to stop grants to the Harijans 1 Wel-
fare Organisatipns ; and

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* (b) if so K the rearons thereof 7

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a)

No, Sir. In 1971-72 the grants to Harijan
Welfare Organisations amounting to Rs. 0.53
lakhs were disbursed. During 1972-73 the
budget provision of Delhi Administration for
this purpose is Rs. 0.50 lakhs.

(b) Does not arise.

Import of Foodgrains during Last Three Years

3692. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there has been little increase
in 1971 in comparison to previous year in the
food imports of the country ;

(b) if so, the causes thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No,

Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(figures in million tonnes)

1969

3.87

1970

3.63

1971

2.05

Report of Study Group on Road Safety

3693. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Study Group on Road
Safety has submitted report to the Government ;
and

(b) if so, the main recommendations in
the report ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMETARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The main recommendations made by
the Study Group are given in the statement
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in
Library . See No LT 3526/72].

‘Energy Packet* for Poor People

3694. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA:
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there is a proposal to have
‘energy packet* for poor people in the
country to break through in nutrition fields ;
and

(b) if so, the main features of the
proposal, including total expenditure in-
volved ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The Central Food Technological Research
Institute, Mysore, have reported that they
have evolved a well balanced, ready-to-eat,
food containing about 16 grams protein and
providing 400 calories per 100 grams of food.
This food is formulated from locally available
materials. The cost per unit packet of
50 grams of this food is expected to be about
15 paise. The details regarding the scale of
production and expenditure involved are still
being wprked out by the Institute.

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Change in colour of D. T. C. Buses

3696. SHRI LALJI BHAI : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) why buses belonging to D.T.C. were
repainted from red colour to light blue
colour ; and

(b) how much money was invested in
it ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) The Delhi Transport Corpo-
ration decided to change over to the present
colour scheme because they consider it an
improvement on the old.

(b) Under the Delhi Motor Vehicles
Rules, buses which are more than five years
old are required to be -painted every six
months and others once a year As and
when buses are due for repainting, the new
colour will be used and as such no extra
expenditure is involved ; this work is being
done departmental^.

Maintenance of Lawns in Government
Colonies, New Delhi

3697. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ;

SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH :

Will the Minister of WORKS AND
HOUSING be pleased to state :

(a) whether lawns in Nauroji Nagar and
other Government colonies tire not being
properly looked into and they are in a bad
shape

(b) if so, whether compllnt was lodged

to the Nauroji Nagar Enquiry Office about
the levelling and dressing of the lawns in the
month of May but still it has not been looked
into, if so, the reasons therefor ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) The residents of Nauroji Nagar
asked for levelling and dressing of lawns
This work could be ‘taken up during the
rainy season only on account of non-availability
of unfiltered water supply during summer
months. The woik has sinee been com-
pleted.

Disposal of Land and Flats un ‘No Profit
and No Loss’ Basis by D. D. A.

3698. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

(a whether Government had given an
assuiancc in the House in 1966 to the effect
that Delhi Development Authority would
dispose of land and flats on ‘No profit No
loss basis’ ;

(b) whether the Delhi Development
Authority is at present making a good amount
of profit out of the sale proceeds of plots
and fiats ; and

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b). According to the
Government policy the plots are generally to
be disposed of by auction. The no profit no
loss basis it at an overall level and not at tbe
level of individual plots or fiats. In the case
of certain eligible categories the allotment of

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plots or flats is made on no-profit basis and
there may even be an element of subsidy.
Pricing for flats is done on the basis of
overall cost plus departmental charges and no
profit as such is included.

Modernisation and Expansion of Hindustan
Shipyard, Visakhapatnam

3699. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Hindustan Shipyard at
Visakhapatnam has finalised a plan for
modernisation and expansion of the yard in
order to remove the imbalance in equipment
and physical facilities and also to replace the
outmoded machinery ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; and

fc) the estimated cost of the plan ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) io (c) An Integrated Deve-
lopment Programme for modernisation and
expansion was sanctioned by the Government
in October 1969 at an estimated cost of Rs.
766.27 lakhs for implementation during the
Fourth Plan period, the main features of the
programme are

(i) Provision of additional bays to the
hull shop and certain major items
of heavy equipment like plate bend-
ing rolls, cold frame bending machi-
nes, hydraulic press ;

(ii) expansion of pre-fabrication bay,

construction of one additional bay,
procurement of 45 tons E. O. T.
cranes, electric power distribution
etc. *

(iii) provision of additional cranage
facilities at erection area and building
berths.

(iv) strengthening of jetty and provision
of additional cranage facilities at the
fitting out wharf. .

(v) (a) provision of modern equipment,
replacement of the old machines
etc. at the machine shops.

(b) social amenities like canteen,
staff quarters etc.

Orders secured for Constitution of Ships

by Hindustan Shipyard Visakhapatnam

3700, SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state ;

(a) the number of orders secured so far
by the Hindustan Shipyard at Visakhapatnam
for the construction of ships, how many of
these orders have been executed so far ;

(b) whether with the implementation of
the modernisation and expansion plan, the
ship building capacity will go up considerably
in the next few years ; and

(c) if so, whether any efforts have been
made by Government to secure enough orders
to ensure maximum utilisation of the produc-
tion capcity of the yard 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) The Hindustan Shipyard have
so far built and delivered 55 ships (including
small crafts) aggregating to over 4,81,982
DWT. These include 49 ocean going ships,
while the remaining 6 are small crafts like
tugs, launches etc The shipyard have at
present 14 ships on order and/or under various
stages of construction.

(h) The ccftnpletion of the modernisation
programme including completion of the Wet
Basin, will raise the annual production capa-
city of the Shipyard from 2-3 ships of about
13,000 DWT each to about 6 ships of that
size.

'c) For the present, Hindustan Shipyard
have enough orders. They are also taking all
necessary stef>s, with the assistance of the
Government, wherever necessary, to secure
more orders for the construction of ships.

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131 Written Answeri

McmotbbAi Reccivtiim Rural Cdliq
from PoUtill Parties

3701. SHRI D. N; SINGH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether Government have received
any memorandarfrora political parties on rural
ceilings ; and

(b) if so, the main suggestions in each
of their memoranda ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P., SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
Representations were received with regard to
various aspects of ceiling on agricultural
holdings. While some favoured radical ceiling
which would leave with a family only one
plough unit some others favoured higher level
of ceilings. The Central Land Reforms
Committee examined the various aspects of
the problem before making its recommenda-
tions.

Memoranda on Urban Ceiling received
from Political Parties

3702. SHRI D. N. SINGH : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
any memoranda from political parties on
urban ceiling ; and

(b) if so, the main suggestion in each of
their memoranda 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No.

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Permanency to Employee of N.F, Corps

3703. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI M. C. DAGA :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be piea&d to state :

(a) whether Government are considering

a proposal to make every Instructor of €hfc
National Fitness Corps permanent before his
services are transferred to the State Govern-
ments ;

(b) if so, when a final decision is likely
to be given ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) to (c). Government has
decided that it would not be possible to con-
firm the employees of the National Fitness
Corps prior to the transfer of the instructors
to the State Governments ; but on a request
from the staff side the National Council of the
Joint Consultative Machinery has asked a
Committee of the National Council, compri-
sing representatives of the official and staff
sides, to consider the question of grant of
permanent status to Government employees
in some offices including the National Fitness
Corps. In its interim report to the National
Council, this Committee has noted that there
had been useful discussions between the staff
and official sides in regard to the employees
in the National Fitness Corps and has recom-
mended that these discussions should continue.
This interim report of the Committee has
still to be considered by the National Council .

The transfer of the instructional staff under
the latest terms offered by the Government of
India has already started ; many States have
taken over the instructors and other States
are in the process of taking over the instruc-
tors, none of whom has been made permanent
under the Central Government.

Charges aganist Purchase of grams apd
Mustard Oil by F.GI.

3704. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether there had been serious charg-
es against the purchase of grams and mustard
oil by the Food Corporation of India ;

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J? (b) whether this matte; is being investi-

by the Central Bureau of Investigation ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Some
allegations have been received regarding the
purchase of gram and Mustard oil by the
Food Corporation of India.

(b) and (c). The allegations are being
investigated by the Central Bureau of Investi-
gation or otherwise.

Scheme of Social Security

3705. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is no co-ordinate sche-
me of social security in the country ;

(b) if so 9 whether some scheme has been
worked out ;

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV): (a) Ad -
hoc schemes of social security are being imple-
mented by different agencies under the State
Governments* No comprehensive scheme of
Social security has yet been drawn up.

(b) and (c). A proposal has been mooted
for drawing up a comprehensive social security
scheme to include the following :

(i) Old persons who have no income
and have no relatives with a direct
responsibility to support them ;

(ri) Orphans and children whose parents
are not in a position to give them
the basic needs of life ;

(iii) Widows with no income of their own,
during the first few months of widow-

hood until they are able to join the
labour force ; and

Civ) Persons who are severely handicapped
and are unable to earn a living and
have no property of their own.

> *

The proposal is to coveoincreasing number
of such persons every year. In the fifth year
it would be possible to cover annually a
population of 48.38 lakhs aged and infirm
persons, 11.50 lakhs of destitute
children, 1.00 lakh of widows and
1 76 lakhs physically handicapped per-
sons under the scheme: The total cost of
implementing the proposal would be Rs. 758
crores in five years.

The implementation of the proposal would
have ter be gradual depending upon the availa-
bility of Funds.

Final Decision on Ceiling of Rural
Properties

3706. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE :

SHRI B. N. REDDY :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have taken
a final decision regarding the ceiling on rural
properties ;

(b) if not, the reasons for this abnormal
delay ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
The Recommendations of the Chief Ministers
Conference are under * consideration of the
Government. Final decision is expected
soon.

Control over Allotment of Shops in
Government Colonies In
New Delhi

3707. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether allotment of shops in some

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AUGUST 28, 1972

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Government colonies of New Delhi is made
by the Directorate of Estate whereas in certain
colonies tl$e control vest* with the New Delhi
Municipal Committee ;

(b) whether it is proposed to transfer the
control of shops<fn all the Government colonies
in New Delhi to the New Delhi Municipal
Committee : and

since the onset of present drought have been
considered and the following amounts have
been sanctioned for the present :

1. West Bengal

2. Madhya Pradesh

3. Andhra Pradesh

4. Bihar

5. U. P.

... Rs. 2.00crores
... Rs. 2.40 ,,

... Rs. 10.00 t ,

... Rs. 5 00 ,|

... Rs. 10 00 t(

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir. The

Directorate of Estates allot shops in the mar-
kets that are under their control.

(b) No, Sir.

Central Directive to States to help Drought
Affected Farmers

3708. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether any directive has been given
to State Government and funds allocated for
special grants to farmers in the county whose
crops have been damaged by drought during
the current year ; and

(b) if so, particulars of the steps taken in
this regard so far ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE},) : (a) and (b).

The provision of, relief following the con-
currence of drought or any natural calamity
is primarily the resposibility of the States.
In case the expenditure on relief and rehabili-
tation measures, etc. is not within the ways
and means position of a State Government
they approach the Union Ministry of Finance
for financial assistance, according to a pres-
cribed procedure. The Ministry of Agricul-
ture is, however, providing f short-term loan
ggfiltance to State Governments for purchase
and distribution of fertilisers, seeds and
pesticides. Under this scheme, the demands
itdeived from various St4'? Governments

2. The State Governments were requested
by the Mmistiy of Agriculture on 3rd August,
1972, to examine immediately the effective
measures to improve prospects of kharif
cultivation, intermediate and rabi crops. It
was urged that emergency irrigation arrange-
ments of all types should be ensured ; seed
supply arrangements and appropriate cultiva-
tion and fertiliser application techniques
should be devised immediately. Special pro-
duction programmes are since being under-
taken to meet the situation created by the
drought in various parts of the country.
Ministers and senior officers of the Ministry
of Agriculture have visited several States and
a number of measures have been agreed upon
for immediate implementation by the State
Governments. Special allocations of funds
are proposed to be made to the State Govern-
ments for implementing these special produc-
tion programmes which will be in addition to
the State Plan Programme.

Sites earmarked for constructing New
Hotel.* in New Delhi Master Plan

3709 SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether some sites have been ear-
marked recently for constructing new hotels in
New Delhi Master Plan and if so, a broad
outline thereof ;

(b) whether the Hotels and Restaurants
Association of Delhi has not favoured the
selected sites and has maeje suggestions for
providing different sites for the purpose and
if so, a gist thereof ; and

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE
MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING
(PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a)

to (c). The selection of sites to be earmarked
for the construction of large hotels in Delhi
is one of the subjects studied by the New
Delhi Redevelopment Advisory Committee
whose report is under submission to the
Government. A decision on the allotment
of sites will be taken by Government after
consideration of the report.

C.G.H.S, in all major cities

3710. SHRI R. S PANDEY :

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal to
introduce Contributory Health Service
Scheme, presently operating in Delhi and
Bombay, in all major cities to cover thte entire
population there ;

(b) whether a Study Team headed by Shri
P. P. I. Vaidyanathan. Additional Secretary
has made certain suggestion in this regard :
and

(c) if so, the main suggestions made by
the Study Team and whether Government
have considered them and taken any decision
thereon 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) At present there
is no such proposal to introduce Central Govern-
ment Health Scheme m major cities to cover
the entire population. However, the C G.H.
Scheme at present operates in Delhi. Bombay,
Allahabed, Meerut, Kanpur and Calcutta. It
covers Centra] Government employees and
Central Government pensioners including
those who have retired with G. P. Fund
benefit and their families residing within the
areas covered by the C.G.H. Scheme. In
Delhi only, the Scheme has been extended to
Semi-Government/autonomous bodies and also
to general public in selected areas covered by

14 C G.H,S. dispensaries. It has also been
decided to extend the C.G.H. Scheme to
Madras and Nagpur during the current year
1972-73.

(b) and (c). A Study Team headed by
Shri P.P.I. Vaidyanathan* Additional Secre-
tary, Ministry of Education and Social
Welfare, have made the following suggestions :
b

“In areas where the population is con-
centrated comprehensive schemes may be
worked out to provide a complete range
of services for the people. We have
already a good model in the Contrbutory
Government Health Services Scheme
operating in Delhi and a few other cities.
Such Scheme may be introduced in all the
major centres of population to cover all
people.”

The report of the Study Team has since
been received and the recommendations will
be considered.

Agricultural Plan for States of
Eastern Region

3711. SHRI R. S. PANDEY :

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have decided to
redraw the Agricultural Programme for the
State in the Eastern Zone to lay more empha-
sis on rabi cultivation ;

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the new
plan ; and #

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). It
is planned to increase the area under Summer
rice in the. eastern States of Assam, Bihar,
Orissa and BVest Bengal. In addition, the
cultivation of high yielding varieties of wheat
which have also shown promise in this region,
is sought to be extended during the ensuing
rabi season* The following targets have been

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AUGUST 28, 1972

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fixed tinder
1972-73 :

these crof|i for

rabi/Summer

State

Target for
HVP whet

(*000 hectares)
Target for

Summer rice

Assam

100

Bihar

1500

400

Orrissa

400

West Bengal

640

400

The required inputs viz-, seeds, fertilisers,
pesticides and credit are being arranged and
facilities are being provided for the develop-
ment of minor irrigation. In addition, the
State Governments are being assisted in the
identification of potential areas for the imple-
mentation of the programmes envisaged

Draft Constitution of B.H.U.

Student’s Union

3712. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state .

(a) the main features of the draft consti-
tution of the BanaraS Hindu University
Students* Union now pending before the Exe-
cutive Council for adoption ;

(b) how does this constitution differ from
the old Constitution ;

(d) when the Executive Council is likely
to discuss the draft constitution ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASANl : (a) to (d).
The required information is* being collected
from the Banaras Hindu University and will
be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due
course. §

Allocation for Soil Conservation daring
Fourth Plan

3713. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the total allocation made for soil
conservation programmes in the Fourth Plan ;
and

(b) how much of this has been spent so
far ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) An allocation of

Rs. 158.65 crores has been made for Soil
Conservation programmes during the Fourth
Plan for various State and Centrally Sponsored
Schemes.

(b) A sum of Rs. 92.05 crores has been
spent upto 1971-72.

Uniformity in Primary, Secondary and
University Educational Pattern

3714. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Centre has circulated to
States to elicit their views on draft Plan which
envisages uniformity in Primary, Secondary
and University educational pattern throughout
the country ;

(b) if so, the main features thereof ;

(d) if so, the contents thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI
D. P. YADAV) : (a) to (d). No such
plan has been circulated. However, the
attention of the States has been drawn to the
National Policy Resolution recommending
inter-alia uniform educational structure in all
parts of the country on tbe basis of 10 years'
schooling, followed by a 2 year higher

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secondary stage and a 3 year degree course,
The matter was discussed in the Education
Secretaries' and Directors' of Education
Conference held in May, 1972. It was
decided to retain status quo till the Central
Advisory Board of Education meets. The
Central Advisory Board of Education
meeting on the 18th September, 1972. One
of the items to be discussed by it will be the
pattern of education in the country.

Establishment and Maintenance of Central
Tibetan Library and Archives at Dhararasala

3715. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PAR ASH AR : Will the Minister of EDU-
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether a proposal to give financial
assistance for the establishment and mainte-
nance of the Central Tibetan Library and
Archives Dharamsala in Himachal Pradesh is
under consideration of Government of India ;

(b) the likely date by which the proposal
would be accepted and the assistance com-
menced ; and

Engineering Colleges of India ;

(d) whether some seats are reserved for
students from such States as* well which has
Engineering Colleges in them ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) 42 seats were reserved for students
from Himachal Pradesh in 1972-73,

(d) As for States having Engineering
Colleges, seats are reserved only in those
subject fields/Specialisations in which their
own colleges do not offer facilities.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) and (c). A decision on the proposal
including the pattern of assistance is expected
to be taken shortly.

Reservation of Seats in Engineering Colleges

for States having no Engineering College

3716. PROF. NARAIN CHAND
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of
EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE
be pleased to state : *

(a) whether certain seats for the students
from such States as have no Engineering
Colleges are reserved in Engineering Colleges
Of other States ;

(b) if so, the number of seats reserved
for Himachal Pradesh In the different

Aid received from International Agencies for
Agricultural and Allied Fields

3717. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) The total amount of aid received by
India from International Agencies for agri-
culture and allied fields during the last
3 years ;

(b) How much of the above aid was
given to the Rajasthan State ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY l)F AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEI P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). A
statement is laid on the Table of the House.
[ Placed in Library . See No. LT—
3527/72].

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Setting up of All India Mtodical Institute at ,
Bangalore

3718. SHRI C. K. J&FFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether {here is any proposal under
the consideration of Government to establish
an All India Medical Institute in the South
(Bangalore) on the level of A|| India Medical
Institute of Sciences and Research situated in
the Capital ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No.

(b) Does not arise.

Three Months Training Course for Medical
Practitioners

3719. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :

SHRI NARENDRA SINGH :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Vaidyas, Hakims, Homoeo-
paths and registered quacks are to be given
three months Training in the diagnosis and
treatment of diseases for getting Diploma or
Certificates for starting Medical Professions ;
and

(b) whether Government would like to
revise the former short and cheap diploma
course with some modernisation of General
Medical Practice— Urban and Rural — and
make it uniform « throughout the country
instead of three months training ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (al No.

(b) A scheme to give a snort training to
Vaidyas, Hakims and Homoeopaths for Rural
Medical aid is, however, under examination.

Complaints regarding Non-availability of
Doctors in Rural Areas

3720. SHRI C. K JAFFER SHARIEF :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
complaints regarding the non-availability of
doctors in the rural areas or doctors with
medical degrees but having no practising
experience, having been appointed to such
areas ;

(b) whether such doctors have been
involved in prescribing wrong medicines and
improper vaccination in a number of cases ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) There is a general
complaint of shortage of doctors in rural
areas. The Government of India have,
however, not received any complaint about
appointment of doctors without practical
experience in such areas.

(b) and (c). Do not arise in view of the
above reply.

Crop Insurance

3721. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF :
SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any proposal under

the Government's consideration for introduc-
ing crop insurance against flood and drought ;
and •

(b) if so, the main features thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).

The question of introducing crop insurance on
a pilot basis is 9tilll under examination.

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! Nationalisation of Segar industry

3722. ' SHRI C.K. JAFFBR SHARIEF :
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether some State Governments
have approached the Central Government to
nationalise the Sugar Industry ; and

Administration and are being examined by
them.

Exploitation of Forests for Economic
Growth of Employment Opportunities

3724. SHRI M.M. JOgEPH :

SHRI P. GANGADEB :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(b) if so, the names of such States and
the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Only the
Government of Uttar Pradesh have approach-
ed the Centra] Government in this regard.
The Central Government have already set up
a Sugar Industry Enquiry Commission to
undertake a comprehensive examination of the
working of the Sugar Industry in the country
and various problems relating thereto, espe-
cially in the context of the demand for its
nationalisation. The Central Government
will examine the matter further on receipt of
the report of the Commission.

Seminar on Drug Abuse

3723. SHRI M.M. JOSEPH : Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether any practical approach to
check drug evil was discussed and decisions
taken in the Seminar on Drug Abuse held
in New Delhi on 28th July ; and

(b) if so, the facts thereof and the steps
taken by Government in this regard and
progress achieved ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MI-
NISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA-
NNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WOR-
KS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. CHATTO-
PADHYAYA: (a) and (b). The Delhi Adminis-
tration organised a two day Seminar on ‘Drug
Abuse and Youth’ on the 28th and 29th July,
1972. The recommendations of the Seminar
were not received by the Government of
India. These were received by the Delhi

(a) whether Government have taken any
steps to exploit the forests in the country add
to ensure rapid economic growth and the
expansion of employment opportunities ; and

(b) if so, the main features thereof aod
if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir.

The primary forestry activities themselves are
aimed to ensure rapid economic growth and
expansion of employment opportunities.
These activities are those like creation of
plantations. Silvicultural works, construction
of roads and buildings, exploitation of forest
produce and their transport etc.

Additional activities particularly with a
view to give a fillip to forest based industries
on the forestry sector have been provided
in the Five Year Plans. All these activities
are labour-oriented and provide considerable
seasonal employment.

The creation of manmade forests with
the attendant potential for employment oppor-
tunities has received much attention in the
Plans. About 1.78 million hectares of planta-
tions have already been created during the
period 1951-72 at a cost ofr about 736 million.
Natural regeneration operations have also been
undertaken to increase the productive value
of the forest and provision of Rs. 933.06
million was made during the IV Plan period.
Scheme tike Rehabilitation of Degraded
Forests, Development of Minor Forest Pro-
duce Timber Operations, etc., have also been
implemented t| ensure adequate economic
growth. |

In the Centrally Sponsored and Central
Sector schemes like Forest Resources Survey

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and Pre-investment Survey «lf Forest Resour-
ces, attention has been ./given to identify
exploitation potential of the forest to provide
for more intensive usage of the resources. A
provision of Rs. 139 lakhs has been made
for the scheme “Forest Resources Survey”
during the IV Plant period and about 8800 sq.
km have so far been covered. The scheme
“Prein vestment Survey of Forest Resources”
taken up in J965 as UNOP/F^ O/Government
of India Project is now continued as a Cent-
ral Sector Scheme. This project envisages
the survey of the availability of Forest Reso-
urces and estimate the quantum of raw mate-
rial for the establishment of various wood
based industries. A provision of Rs. 160
lakhs has been made under the IV Five Year
Plan to survey an area of 85,000 sq. kms. in
selected areas.

Thus, the forestry activities and particu-
larly the schemes in the Five Year Plans
mainly aim at increasing the economic grovth
of the country and provide employment
opportunities. The surveys being undertaken
are for the purpose of identifying more and
more areas for economic exploitation of
resources and thereby provide for additional
employment opportunity and economic
growth.

D.D.A’s Naraina Flats, New Delhi

3725. SHRI M M. JOSEPH : Will the
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be
pleased to state :

(a) whether in the specifications of 125

sq. yds. flats offered for sale by D.D.A, in
Naraina in the first lot, series of mosaic
shelves had been provided in kitchen but
actually there is only one shelf in the kitchen
of each flat ; „

(b) whether on representation from the
allottees, D.D.A. have in principle agreed to
construct two more shelves in the kitchen of
each flat ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF

WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P.
CHATTOPADHYAY) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Yes, Sir.

Projecting the Heritage of NetaJI through

Youth Centres during 25th year Cele-
bration of Indian Independence

3726. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state whether Go-
vernment propose to adopt plan for protecting
the heritage of Netaji through at Youth Cent-
res proposed to be set up aft oyer the country
during the 25th year of the Indian Independe-
nce in view of his activities and leadership over
the Azad Hind Fauj liberation struggle ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV) : The
programmes of the Nehru Youth Centres in-
clude the organisation of a variety of informal
courses on various subjects, including those
designed to make youth acquainted with the
country’s past heritage, the value of our
Independence, the present tasks and the future
challenges. The role played by Subhas
Chandra Bose and the I.N.A. in the national
freedom movement will also figure in these
courses.

Biography of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose

3727. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state whether
Government have adopted or are likely to
adopt a plan for writing an authentic biogra-
aphy of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose with the
help of eminent scholars ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND DAPARTMENT OF
CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) :
Government have brought out the biography
of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose in Hindi. The
National Book Trust has also brought out
under the ‘Young India Library* series a book
on the stoty of I.N.A., which is more or
less the biography of Netsyi. Government are

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|Uo bringing out NetajPs biography in the
*Btrilders of Modern India” series as well as
g publication of selected letters and writings
of Netaji with the help of Netaji Research
Bureau, Calqutta. Apart from the publications
mentioned above there is no proposal under
the consideration of Government at present
for writing an ‘authentic biography’ of Netaji
with the help of eminent scholars.

Projecting the Heritage of National Integration
in Netaji’s Azad Hind movement during the

25th Year Celebration of Independence

3729. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the heritage of national
integration in Netaji’s Azad Hind Movement
will be projected before the Indian people
during the 25th year of celebration of Indepen-
dence;

(b) whether life, activities and ideals of
Netaji also will be adequately highlighted
during the occasion ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV) : (a) to
(c). The Ministry of Education and Social
Welfare has through the National Book Trust
brought out a book on the ‘Story of the INA*
in English and Tamil designed to inform young
people of the life and activities of Subash
Chandra Bose, and of the enthusiasm and
sacrifice of the Indian National Army in the
fight for India's freedom. This book will also
be translated in other regional languages.

The books will be distributed through the
Raja Rammohan Roy Library on to the
district libraries and will eventually reach the
village reading public.

As part of the 25th Anniversary of India's
Independence, the Ministry propose to bring
out ad authentic history of the INA. The
book also will be made available in all the
regional languages.

Besides the above, the Gallery of National

Leaders proposed to be set up during the
anniversary year in New Delhi will also
highlight the life and activities of Netaji
Subash' Chandra Bose and the role of Azad
Hind Fauj in the National freedom movement.

Cost of Production of Sugar in India a9
compared to othei^coontries

3730. DR. H.P. SHARMA : Will the
Minister of Ag^culture be pleased to state :

(a) the present cost of production of
sugar in the country as compared to that in
other major sugar producing countries and the
reasons for higher cost of production in India
in comparison to that in other countries ; and

(b) the difference between the cost of
production in India and the average internat-
ional prices of sugar at present and the loss
incurred by the Sugar Industry per annum on
the export of sugar during 1971-72 and
estimated loss on this account for 1972-73 as
per existing commitments ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROP.
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). No comparative
statistics are available regarding the present
cost of production of sugar in this country
and in other major sugar producing countries.
Statement indicating the present cost of produc-
tion of sugar based on the minimum notified
cane price and on the price schedules and
other escalations recommended by the Tariff
Commission, including a margin of Rs. 10.50
per quintal by way of return on capital, in
respect of the different zones in the country
is, however, laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3528/72]

The major factors for the higher average
cost of production of sugar in India as
compared to fliat in other countries are as
under : —

(1) Small size of sugarcane holdings and
consequent higher cost of cane produ-
ction.

(2) Low yield of sugarcane per hectare

(3) Poor Juality of cane.

(4) Seasonal nature of the availability of
the cane.

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(5) Old and out-Qoded plants and
machinery in the qiu^ority of the sugar
mills.

(6) Smaller overall edacity per unit.

The average of the London dally prices
which serves as an 4 fndex of the interactional
price of sugar, for the period January, 1972,
to July, 1972, comes to £ 69.37 (Rs. 1334)
per metric ton C.l.G. U.K, #

Export of sugar is made on the basis of
the calendar year. The export in 1971
entailed a loss of Rs. 9.5 crores which was
borne by the Government of India. The
estimated loss on the exports in 1972 may be
of the order of about Rs. 3 crores which
would be borne by the Sugar Industry.

Loss Incurred and Profit Earned by Sugar
Industry during the Years 1971-72
and 1972-73

3731. DR. H. P. SHARMA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) the annual loss incurred by the Indus-
try on controlled quota of sugar and how
far it is offset by open sale quota of sugar
and the extent of net income served by the
Industry during 1971-72 and that likely to be
earned during 1972-33 ; and

(b) the increase in the prices of sugar
under control and in open market during the
past three years ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) On the assumption that
the minimum notified price is paid for cane,
the price fixed for levy sugar should not
entail any loss to the industry. In fact, it
includes an element of Rs. 10.50 per quintal
towards return on capital. The^xtra realisation
on free sale sugar ‘is expected to off-set any
excess expenditure which the producer might
incur, including that on account of payment of
higher price for cane. The extent of the net
income to the industry can be calculated only
after the entire sugar produced during the
1971-72 season is disposed of. It is premature
to estimate the likely earnings o£ the industry
during 1$7&73 as the sugar l-olicy for that
year is still under consideration. |

(b) A statement showing month-end

(Friday) wholesale prices of sugar (controlled
and open market) from 1968 h 59 (October-Sep-
tember) onwards at six important»centres. is
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in
Library . See No. LT 3529/72]

Study of cost of Production on Agriculture

Products for Purposes of Taxation of
Agricultural Income

3732. DR. H.P. SHARMA : Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased
to state :

(a) whether the cost of production in
respect of different items of agricultural pro-
ducts has been lately worked out for precisely
determining the actual income earned by agri-
culturists, with a view to ensuring taxation
of agricultural income evenly with non-agricul-
tural income ;

(b) the cost of production per quintal
so worked out in respect of different agricul-
tural products ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (AN-
NASAHEB P. SINDE) : (a) to (c). There

is no provision at present in the Income-tax
Act, 1961, to subject agricultural income to
tax. The question of precisely determining
the actual income by the agriculturists with a
view to ensuring taxation of agricultural income
evenly with non-agricultural income, therefore,
does not arise so far as the present Income
Tax Act is concerned.

However, a Scheme under which data on
cost of production of principal crops grown
in different States are being collected to meet
the needs of price policy has been initiated
recently. These data may be used for some
other purposes also as and when available.

“Cattle Gifted by Foreign Government
Agencies”

3733. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased , to state :

(a) the state-wise number of cattle gifted

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bj| foreign Governments and foreign agencies
during the last three years ;

(b) the amount of foreign exchange
incurred ;

(c) the number of cattle, out of those
imported or gifted by foreign countries during
the last three years, which died subsequently
due to ill-health ; and

(J) the reasons for not taking immediate
action in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH): (a) 1241 exotic cattle
received as gift through Foreign Governments
and Foreign Agencies during the last three
years 1969-70, 1970-71 r.nd 1971-72, were dist-
ributed to various states as per statement
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in
Library .] See No. LT. 3530/72)

(b) 739 cattle were supplied by the Govts,
of Australia and Denmark as gift F.O.R.
Indian Airport/Port. An amount of Rs.
12,40,500.00 in foreign exchange was incurred
to meet the transportation charges for 410
cattle received as gift from foreign agencies of
U.K. and U.S.A. and Rs. 2,50,136.65 were
paid in Indian currency as transportation
charges for 92 cattle received, through Austra-
lian Foreign Agency.

(c) and (d). Information is being collect-
ed from State Governments, the same will be
placed on the table of the Sabha as soon as
the complete reply is received.

Plan for Development of Agriculture in
Telengana, Andhra Pradesh

3734. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether any comprehensive plan is
envisaged by the Centre for the development
of agriculture in Telengana (Andhra Pradesh)
and, if ko, the main features thereof ;

(b) if not, why Central Government does
not take up such schemes for backward
areas ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Develop-
ment of agriculture in Tctengana receives
special attention as a part of the State Plan.
Centre has no separate plan for this region,
i

(b) and (c). The Steering Group on
Agriculture, Irrigation and Allied Sectors
and a number of Working Group/Sub-Groups
are at present engaged in the formulation of
the approach to the Fifth Five Year Plan and
policy issues requiring consideration. The
strategy to be adopted for development of
agriculture in the backward areas will receive
due attention. It is too early to say whether
there will be any Centrally Sponsored Scheme
in this regard in the Fifth Plau.

Sugarcane Yield and Production in
Andhra Pradesh

3735. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL-
TURE be pleased to state :

(a) whether sugarcane yield and produc-
tion in Andhra Pradesh is quite high as
compared to U.P. ;

(b) if so, the reason why measures have
not been taken to open more sugar factories
in the State ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER. SINGH)*: (a) The sugarcane yield
per acre in Andhra Pradesh is higher than
that in U.P., but tbe total production of
sugarcane in Andhra Pradesh is much less
than that in U.P.

(b) In Andhra Pradesh, letters of intent/
licences have already been granted for the
establishment of nine new sugar factories and
four more applications are under con-
sideration. I

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Incentive to DoctoreSrtling to work in
Rural Areas

3736. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY :

SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE :

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Central Government
gives incentive to the Doctors willing to work
in the rural areas, where the population is less
than 5000 ;

(b) whether such requests have come
from various States ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The Cen-
tral Government gives 100% assistance to the
States to enable them to pay an allowance of
Rs. 150/- per month to the doctors who work
in 400 specified areas considered to be distant,
backward and difficult.

Following steps are being taken by States/
Union Territory Governments to attract the
doctors to rural areas :

(i) Formation of unified cadre of doctors
working in rural as well as urban
areas ;

(li) Provision of total package of incen-
tives such as grant of rural allowance,
transport facilities, free furnished
quarters, protected water supply,
electricity, etc.

(iii) Improvement of physical facilities
of Primary Health Centres particu-
larly in respect of buildings, residen-
tial quarters, etc.

(iv) Re-employment of retired doctors
willing to serve in rural areas ;

(v) Grant of advance incjsments ;

(vi) Provision of large amounts of medi-
cines and equipment in Primary

Health Centres. Some States have
also offered scholarships/stipends to
the medical students for binding them
for service in rural areas for a certain
number of years ;

(viii) Efforts are being made to strengthen
the medical and health care facilities
in the rural areas by the utilisation
of the available manpower under the
various system of medicines.

Provision of Civil Facilities in the Rural Areas
having A Population of 3000 during
the Fifth Plan

3737. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA
REDDY : Will the Minister of HEALTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to
state :

(a) whether minimum facilities with pro-
vision of drinking water, sanitation, Health
clinics and Family Planning Centres are to be
provided to the rural areas having population
of 3000 and above during the Fifth Plan ;

(b) whether such directive will be issued
to the States ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) With a view to
providing better health and medical facilities
in rural areas a scheme has been proposed for
the Fifth Plan for the establishment of one
Primary Health Centre for every 30,000 popu-
lation and one sub-centre for every 5,000
population having provision of potable water
supply, sanitary disposal of excreta, medical
relief and Family Planning services etc

(b) and (c). The State Governments will
be suitably informed after the Fifth Plan has
been finalised.

Favour by F. C. I. to Certain Firms

3738. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
SHRI S. P. BHATTACHAR Y Y A :

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether undue favour was shown by

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the Food Corporation of India to some firms
in Uttar Pradesh in regard to purchase of
mustard oil ;

(b) whether there are also complaints
about the Food Corporation of India's pur-
chase of sugar at higher rates from private
parties ;

(d) , if not, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) (a) and (b).
Government have received certain allegations
about the purchase of mustard oil and sugar
by the Food Corporation of India m Uttar
Pradesh.

(d) Does not arise.

Implementation of Proposals of Forest

resources as contained in Fourth Plan

3739. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the measures taken so far in imple-
menting the proposals contained in the Fourth
Five Year Plan regarding the country's forest
resources; and

(b) the expenditure incurred so far in
this respect ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.)
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b. Two schemes

(1) “Pre-invejtment Survey of )Forest Resour-
ces” and (2) “Forest Resources Survey" are
continued during the IV Plan period for
assessment of availability of raw material for
the development of major forest-based indus-
tries.

The scheme on “Pre-investment Survey
of Forest Resources*’ a Central Sector scheme.

was taken up as a UNDP/FA O/GOI project
in 1965 in the III Plan period and was comple-
ted in October, 1968. During the IV Plan
it is being implemented as a Government of
India project with an outlay of R$„ 160 lakhs.
An expenditure of Rs. 81.65 lakhs has been
incurred during 1969-70 to 1971-72. Rs. 32.80
lakhs have been provided * for the year
1972-73.

Under this prjject detailed aerial surveys
are being carried out to assess the economic
avadablity of raw material in the forests
in the various zones in the country, in
J. & K , U. P., Bihar, Maharashtra, M.P.,
Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Andaman &
Nicobar Islands and Orissa. In addition to
this rapid inventory work will also be taken
up in the North-Eastern Zone.

The Scheme on ‘'Forest Resources Survey”
a centrally sponsored one, is continued from
1968-69. An outlay of Rs. 139 lakhs has
been provided for it during the IV Plan period.
Under this scheme, fcld sample surveys are
being carried out by the various States for
assessing the availability of raw material in
the forests for the development of forest based
industries.

From 1969-70 to 1971-72, an expenditure
of Rs. 57.03 lakhs has been incurred and
Rs. 20.00 lakhs have been earmarked for this
scheme for 1972-73.

Ministerial Posts in Indian Council of
Agricultural Research

3740. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW-
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) the number of ministerial posts on
the Research side of the Indian Council of
Agricultural Restarch held by the Government
side employees and the dffte of such appoint-
ment in each case ; and

(b) the number of Government posts held
by Research side employees of the Council,
and if none (i) the reason for the discrimina-
tion made in the matter of appointment in
respect of one&lass of employees only ; and
(ii) steps take£? to surrender/transfer Govern-
ment employfes/deputationists from autono-
mous Indian Council of Agricultural Research
to their own cadres/Departments and filling up

AUGUST 28, 1972 Written Answers M

159 Written Answer

the resultant vacancy from Council's own
employees ? x

THE MINISTER 0F STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHtNOE) : (a) Twenty
three. The date of appointment in each case
is as under : <

(i) 17.10.69 (ii) 27.1.70 (iii) 27.2.70
(iv) 6.3.70 (v) 12.3570 (vi) 25.3.70

(vii) 22 7.70 (viii) 14.8.70 (ix) 14.4.71
(x) 4.6.71 (AN) (xi) 24.6.71 (xii) 1.10.71
(xiii) 1.11.71 (xiv) 6.11.72 (xv) 24.11.71
(xvi) 6.12.71 (xvii) 25.1.76 (xviii) 1.3.72
(xxi) 5.4.72 (xx) 5.5.72 (xxi) 17.5.72
(xxii) 26.5 : 2 and (xxiii) 1.7,72.

(b) None.

(i) and (ii) The twenty-three posts men-
tioned above are on the Audit and Accounts
Side and the work involved is of special
nature. These posts are therefore filled by
deputation of suitable persons of the Indian
Audit and Accounts Department. As such no
discrimination is involved.

Forum for Ventilation of Grievances of
Employees of I. C.A.R.

3741. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAW-
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is. no official forum
like JCM. provided in the Constitution of
India and under Government rules to enable
the employees of the Indian Council of
Agricultural Research to ventilate their
grievances ;

(b) if so, since how long this has been
so and the reason therefor ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). The
Scheme of Staff Councils which jvas operative
prior to the introduction of the 1 ! J.C.M. and
C.A. Scheme of the Central Golernment was
adopted at the Headquarters as well as at

various Institutes under the Indian Council
of Agricultural Research. -

The elections to constitute the Staff
Council at the Headquarters could not, how-
ever, be held in 1970 as sufficient nominations
had not come forward and it was then decided
to constitute the same after the re-organisation
of the I.C.A.R was completed.

Consequent on the final acceptance of
the options of Government employees at the
Headquarters of I.C.A.R., with effect from
1st February, 1972, action to re-start the
Staff Council at the Headquarters has been
initiated. Stafi Councils have been set up at
24 Institutes/Stations/Centres while action to
set up the Staff Councils at the remaining 7
Institutes has been taken.

The Staff on the Government side of the
Council at the Headquarters are covered by
the J.C.M. and C.A. Scheme under the
Department of Agriculture,

Central Legislature Act Setting up Imperial
(New Indian) Council of Agricultural
Research

3742. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW-
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE
be pleased to state :

(a) whether there is any Central Legis-
lature Act promulgating the setting up
of the Imperial (now Indian) Council of
Agricultural Research referred to in the
introduction portion of the book entitled
“ Agricultural Research in India. Institute
and Organisation” published by I.C.A.R. in
1958 ; and

(b) if so, the name of the Act and year
of its enactment ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir.
The Indian Council of Agricultural Research
was established in 1929 under a Resolution of
the Government of India and registered as a
Society under the Societies Registration Act,
1860 (21 of 1860).

(b) Does not arise.

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

16 $ Written Answers

Setting up of an Office of Freight Invest!*
nation Bureau at Cochin

3743. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN :
SHRIMATJ BHARGAVI THAN-
KAPPAN :

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Kerala Government have
requested the Centre to set up an Office of
the Freight Investigation Bureau at
Cochin ;

(b) if so, the details thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) A
proposal for setting up of a branch office of
the Freight Investigation Bureau at Cochin
is at present under the consideration of
Government of India. The Government of
Kerala have also requested the Government
of India to take early steps for establishing a
branch there.

(b) The Branch Office, will attend to
the problems of shippers at the Cochin Port
regarding Shipping space, freight rates,
frequency of sailings etc.

Assistance to Bihar Government for Con-
struction of two National Highways

3744 SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Bihar Government have
asked for assistance from the Centre for
construction of two National Highways in
Bihar, one from Ranchi to Bhopal via Gumla
and the other from Bokaro to Bhubaneswar
via Ranchi and Chaibasa ;

(b) if so, the amount of assistance asked
fbr by the Bihar Government ; an <

Written Answers M2

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 01*
MEHTA) : (a) to (c)» National Highway*
are wholly the responsibility of the Central
Government. The question of asking for, or
of giving, any assistance for # the construction
of any National Highway does not arise.

Recently, the*Bihar Government submitted
a proposal for declaration by the Government
of India of some State roads as National
Highways which included, inter alia ; the
Ranchi-Bhopal road viz . Gumla and the
Ranchi- Chaibasa-Bhubaneawar road.

Bokaro is already c ortl M fle tf by existing
National- Highways with Ranchi and Bhuba-
neswar.

The State Government have been informed
that against the Fourth Plan provision for
making new additions to the existing National
Highways System, 4819 Kms. of roads have
already been declared as National Highways
which include about 250 kms. in Bibar also.
All such further proposals, including the
Bihar Government’s proposals referred to
above have, therefore, now to wait for consi-
deration when proposals for the Fifth Plan
are formulated.

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AUGUST 28. 1972

Written Answers 164

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Fifth, Plan

3746. SHRI PURSHOTTAM KAKOD-
KAR : Will the Minister of EDUCATION
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to
state whether the Union Ministry of Education
has prepared the schemes and proposals to
be implemented during the Fifth Five Year
Plan ; if so, the broad outlines thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEPART-
MENT OF CULTURE h(SHRI D. P.
YADAV) : The proposals for lie Fifth Five
Year Plan of Education are uJder considera-
tion. The Centra] Advisory Board of
Education is expected to consider the broad
outlines in its meeting scheduldi to be held
on 18-19 September* 1972. Thereafter detailed

schemes will be worked out in consultation
with States/ Union Territories and the Planning
Commission.

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Written Answers 166

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Written Answers 168

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Jfoigfin Allotment/ Registration of DDA Flats

1751, SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING
be pleased to state :

<a) whether allotment/registration of
(tits sold by the DDA on cash down basis is
wteyed by the DDA for Jong and the allottees
nave to face a lot of difficulties ;

(b) if so, whether Government servants
who obtain loan from Government for .pur-
chase of flat must complete acquisition of the
flat and mortgage the same within three
months under the rules : and

(c) if so, whether Government intend to
advise the DDA to expedite allotment/registra-
tion of flats in case nothing is obtaining from
the allottees 7

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING (SHRI Uftfk* SHANKAR
DIKSHIT) : (a) Some delay pa the part of
the Delhi Development Authority in the execu-
tion of conveyance deeds in favour of allottees

and consequent registration of ready-built
flats was reported to Government. To over-
come the difficulty a special form' of mortgage
deed was devised in July 197] to be used by
the allottees of such flats for mortgaging the
property in favour of the President, as security
for repayment of the loan.

(b) Yes, Sir, The Heads of Departments
are, however, competent to extend this period
in deserving cases.

(c) On receipt of complaints, the matter
was taken up with the DDA who have assured
that they were taking action to finalise the
pending cases quickly.

Nutrition-Cum -Health care Pilot Project for
children in N.D.M.C, Area

3752. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHARIFF :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) the details of the pilot project started
in the capital for nutrition-cum-health care for
pre-school children in New Delhi Municipal
Committee area ;

(b) the annual amounts to be spent for
the purpose ;

(d) the number of stalls constructed for
this purpose with construction cost of each ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) A pilot project
for providing nutritions and balanced meal to
pre-school children has been launched by the
New Delhi Municipal Committee with effect
from the 29th July, 1972 so as to cover
children between the age-group of 1 to 5
years, belonging to the low income group of
Rs 300/- p.m. and less. A survey was
carried out of eligible children and nursing/
pregnant mothers in the area surrounded by
Pancbkuin Road, Mandir Marg, Pesbwa Road
and Baird Road constituting 4388 families.
Tokens were issped to 1587 children and 3V7
nursing/pregnapt mothers who were found
eligible untjer the scheme. Arrangements for

<p Written Answers BHApRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

supply of milk and bread have been made Central assistance for such schemes is in*

fith the Delhi Milk Scheme and Modern
bakeries, respectively.

(b) The Committee has provided Rs. 7.50
lakhs for t^e supply of Nutritions food under
the project.

<d) Six distribution centres have been
constructed for the purpose and besides this,
two existing rooms in the Central Kitchen of
the New Delhi Municipal Committee have
been requisitioned for the purpose. The
cost of new stalls/centres is approximately Rs.
4500/- each.

Slum Clearance Scheme for Patna City

3753. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Patna Town is the district
city despite its being the Capital of Bihar :

(b) whether the entire city has turned into
a slum ;

(c) if so, whether under the Slum Clea-
rance Scheme the Government of Bihar have
sent any scheme to him in regard to clean-
liness of Patna Town and if so, the main
features thereof ; and

(d) the reaction of Government thereto ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF, D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) to (d). The growth of slums in urban
areas is directly related to the increase in
population. The rapid growth of urban
population in cities, including the city of
Patna, has brought in its wake the problem
of inadequate urban housing and the growth of
slums.

The Slum Clearance Scheme is in the
State Sector since the Fourth Five Year Plan.

eluded in the block loans and grants for State
Plans. No central assistance is earmarked
separately for Slum Clearance Scheme. State
Governments are free to allocate funds for
their slum clearance programmes according to
their requirements and priorities. As such
the schemes of slum clearance in Patna and
other towns in Bihar have been returned to
them with the advice that tfiey should finance
them out of their State Plan allocation.

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Designation of Officers in National Institute
of Education

3756. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI :
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the National Institute of
Education (N.C.E.R.T ) is not a learoing-
cum-research body in the sense of a University
or a College ;

(b) if so, the justifications for designating
its officers as professors, readers and lecturers :
and

(c) whether Government feel that there
exist anomalies ; and if so, what the
Government consider to correct steps
anomalies ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a)

to (c). The National Council of Educational
Reserch and Training as its name implies
undei takes both research and training
activiies. For this purpose it maintains
certain academic institutions such as the
National Institute of Education, Regional
College of Education, Multipurpose-cum-
Demonstration Schools etc The academic
staff are transferable among these Institutions.
In view of this, the designations of professors,
readers and lecturers have been adopted.

The executive Committee of the NCERT
had recently considered the question of stream-
lining the designations and scales of pay of
various posts in the Cotncil. It has been
decided to retain the designations of profes-
sors, readers and lecturers for the officers
posted to the National Institute of Education.
It has also been decided that the qualifications
and scales of pay should, as far as possible, be
based on those recommended by the University
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Investigation on sale of Fertilisers in
Andhra Pradesh

3758. SHRl R. MALLANNA : Will the
Minister of AQRICULTURE be pleased to
state :

(a) whether the investigation regarding the
sale of fertilisers in Andhra Pradesh has since
been completed ;

(b) if so, the result thereof ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b).
Investigation in respect of 33 claims submitted
by seven firms has been completed and
charge-sheets have been filed against all these
firms under section 120-B read with 420 1PC,
read with 109, 37 IPC, 467, 468 and 471 IPC
read with section 5(l)(d) of Prevention of Cor-
ruption Act, 1947.

•

It has also been decided to file charge
sheets against four public servants for offences
under section 5(2) read wi& 5(1 )(d) of Preven.
tion of Corrufftion Act 1947 and also under
section 477- A IPC in the\»se of two of them.
Investigations rvgarding other parties are still
proceeding.

( i) Absence of any specific complaint
regaljiag suspicious transportation
claims, necessitating initial scrutiny
of numerous records to identify road
transportation claims of suspect
firml About 3000 transportation
claims were involved during the

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 176

period 1966-69. ^fter scrutiny, 192
claims submitted 31 firms involv-
ing 3368 vehicles were initially
selected. 33 cljtfms, involving 7
firms were finafy taken up for
concentrated and Intensive investiga-
tion. *

(ii) Time taken in procuring records and
documents from vinous agencies,
official and non-official, and scrutiny
of voluminous records seized.

(iii) Verification of movements of
hundreds of vehicles allegedly used.
Investigation had to be made as to
whether they were genuine transport
vehicles. It was also necessary to-
check movement during the relevant
period, study checkposts, Registers
en-route, verification of transport
receipts produced, interrogation of
transport authorities, operators,
drivers etc.

(iv) Widespread nature o r investigations
covering the States of Andhra
Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Maha-
rashtra.

Sub-Letting of Quarters in T Block of
Sarojini Nagar

3759. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA :
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS-
ING be pleased to state : -

(a) whether he is aware of large scale
sub-letting of quarters b'y Government servants
in Sarojini Nagar (formerly Vinaya Nagar)
to persons other than Government servants ;

(b) the number of such allottees in *1*
Block who have sub-let their* quarters to non-
Governmcnt servant* ;

(d) the action which Government propose
to taken against the defaulter allottees ?

THE MINISTER OF SmTE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH JND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WOltKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (aj Only a few

complaints have been received in the Direc-
torate of Estates in regard to sub-letting of
quarters at Sarojini Nagar by allottees.
During the period from 1st January 1971
upto 21st August 1972, in all, 16 complaints
were registered. Out of these, 11 were found
anonymous/pseudonymous and no action has
been taken thereon. In one case, subletting
has not been proved and the remaining 4 cases
are still under investigation.

(b) No case of sub letting in T Block has
been reported to the Directorate of Estates
during the period mentioned in reply to
pari (a).

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Om-hrldge for crossing Mandir Marg
New Delhi by School Children

3762. SHR1 D. P. JADEJA : Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN-
NING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government are aware of a
large number of Schools in Mandir Marg, New
Delhi ;

(b) if so, whether there exists no crossing
on this road for about 10,000 school-going
children over-bridged underground ; and

(c) whether Government will consider
to construct at least two over-bridge crossing
on this road, which is under the jurisdiction
of New Delhi Municipal Corporation, in view
of the fact that almost all the Schools are on
the West side of the road.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The
required information is being collected from
the concerned authorities and will be laid on
the Table of the Sabha shortly.

Target for production of high yielding
variety of Cereals during 1971-72

3763. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI :
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) the target set for the production of
high yielding varieties of cereals for the year
1971-72 ; and

(b) whether the target has been achieved ?

the Minister of state in the

MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : ((a) The target
under the high-yielding varieties programme
is fixed in terms of area coverage and not

production. It was 18.00 million hectares for
1971-72.

(b) The anticipated achievement is of the
order of 17.95 million hectares.

1 Construction of small vessels required for
coastal shipping

3764. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether small vessels required for
coastal shipping are not built in the country
at present ;

(b) whether the development of coastal
shipping is hampered due to the shortage of
such vessels ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) Indian shipyards have
capacity for building small vessels.

(b) Development of coastal shipping is
hampered at present not because of shortage
of building capacity of small vessels but
primarily on account of lack of assured
cargo.

Working Condition of Lady Hardinge Hospital,
New Delhi

3765, SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the
Minister 1 ' of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING be pleased to estate :

(a) whether ladies, who come for check-
up during pregnancy period to Lady Hardinge
Hospital, New Delhi are asked to sit on the
floor and even ordinary benches are not
provided, bathrooms and lavatories are
immensely dirtyjbnd outdated and not cleaned
frequently ; V

I %}

(b) whether tjp? general way of working
is also not systematic and doctors are rude to

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 180

the simple village folk patients and neglect
them and do not examine them properly ;
and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir.

No patient is made to sit on the floor. There
are enough benches for the purpose, 23 in
the main waiting hall and 18 in the laboratory
area. In addition, there are 15 benches in
the examination area ; and each bench can
accommodate 6 patients on an average.

The bathrooms and lavatories are kept in
hygenic condition as far as possible.

(b) The working in the Hospital is
systematic. All the antenatal clinics are held
in the afternoon from 2 00 p.m. to 4 00 p.m
The doctors perform their duties efficiently
and sympathetically.

Condition of National Highways in Bihar

3766. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT
be pleased to state :

(a) whether some of the National High-
ways like G. T. Road passing through Bihar
especially on the spots near Dhanbad,
Sasaram, Bushi, Bagodar are in very bad and
unsatisfactory condition ; and 4

(b) whether some huge amount has been
sanctioned for the broadening of the road
recently and if so, what are the plans in this
regard and when it is likely to be completed 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS* AND THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) ; (a) The National Highways

passing through Bihar are deficient as most of

them have, at present, single-lane pavements
with inadequate thickness, besides weak and
narrow bridges and culverts. , These deficien*
cies are being removed gradually under the
successive plans. As regards G. T. Road,
the same has a single-lane carriageway for a
length of 322 Kms. out of the total length
of 394 Kms. lying in Bihar, the present
condition of the road is satisfactory for most
of the Jength including sections near Dhanbad,,
Bagodar and Barhi (and not Bushi). Due
to the poor soil in the shoulders, the section
of the road near Sasaram where it has a
single-lane carriageway becomes bad during
rains.

(b) Estimates aggregating to about
Rs. 13 crores have been sanctioned during the
4th Plan period for widening and strengthen-
ing the road, including reconstruction/
widening of bridges and culverts. The works
are in various stages of execution and the
same are targetted to be completed in about
3 to 4 years.

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Written Answers 182

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Research in Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute

3769, SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether Vallabhbhai Patel Chest
Institute is concentrating m<jjre on Fundamen-
tal Research than on applied Research ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. The

Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute conducts
both applied and fundamental research with
equal interest and devotion, depending upon
the problems and gifts and skills of respective
Scientists. For example, in applied research,
the discovery of unknown allergans of India
which were responsible for bronchial asthma
and allergic colds has provided scientific
treatment for lakhs of patients in India.

(b Does not arise.

Chemicals distributed by Vallabhbhai Patel
Chest Institute

3770. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state :

(a) whether the Research Unit working
under Council of Scientific and Industrial
Research in Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute
is not actually producing certain chemicals
here but import them from abroad and repack
it in the name of Vallabhbhai Patel Chest
Institute and distribute it ; and

» 1

(b) if so, action Government are taking
against them ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) No. Most
of the produce listed by the Biochemicals
Unit set up jby the C.S.I.R. at the V. P.
Cheat Institile are made from indigenous
raw materials. In very few cases where the

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AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 1*4

raw materials are not injigenously available,
the Unit has to procure pem from abroad.

(b) Does not arise. .

Fay Scale of Employees Of Vallabhbhai Patel
Chest Institute

3771. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING be pfea9ed to state :

(a) whether the employees of Vallabhbhai
Pate] Chest Institute have requested for the
pay scale of the Delhi University employees ;
and

(b) if so, the action Government have
taken in the matter ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes.

(b) The proposal is under consideration
of the Government of India.

Study of Coconut Industry by Asian
Development Bank

3772. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN :
Wiil the Minister of AGRICULTURE be
pleased to state :

(a) whether the Asian Development
Bank has decided to undertake a study of the
coconut industry in India along with other
coconut producing countries in Asia ;

(b) if so, the nature of study to be made
by the bank ; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A team
of consultants constituted by the Asian
Development Batik has already undertaken
a study of* the coconut industry!*; India.

(b) The objects of the stujy were

. (}) To identify the ^bottlenecks of

the maximum commercial end
industrial exploitation of the
coconut trees various products
in the developing countries of
the Asian Development Bank
region ;

(ii) Identification of possible bank*
able projects in the coconut
industry ; and

(iii) To explore possible areas for
multi-national cooperation in
the coconut industry and to
identify possible bankable
projects that may be partici-
pated in jointly by members of
the Asian Community and/or
other countries covered in the
Study.

(c) The Team has already completed the
study in India during the period from 6.7.72
to 22.7.72 and it will now submit the report
to the Bank.

Constitution of States Legislature Committee on
Lines of Parliamentary Committee on Welfare
of S. C. and S. T.

3773. SHRI S. M. SIDDAYYA : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the former Union Minister
in-charge of Social Welfare wrote to the
Chief Minister of States commending the
constitution of standing Legislature Com-
mittees on Welfare of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes on the pattern of the
Parliamentary Committee set up in 1968 ;

(b) if so, the nature of response so far
received from different State Governments ;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTBR IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE-
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P.
YADAV): (a) Yes f Sir.

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BHAbkA 6, 18*4 XSAtU)

Written Answers 186

i (b) The Governments of Rajasthan,
Mysore and West Bengal have constituted
Committees for the Welfare of Scheduled
dastes and Scheduled Tribes on the lines of
the Parliamentary Committee at the Centre.
The Government of Uttar Pradesh have
agreed in principle to constitute a Com-
mittee.

In the States of Andhra Pradesh, Assam,
Bihar, Gujarat, Haryana, Jammu and
Kashmir, Kerala, Maharashtra, Orissa,
Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Himachal Pradesh and
Tripura and in the Union Territories of Goa,
Daman and Diu and Pondicherry, Advisory
Committee/Advisory Council on the lines of
Parliamentary Committee had been consti-
tuted.

Functioning of ICSSR

3774. SHRI. S M. SIDDAYYA Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government can give direc-
tives to the Indian Council of Social Science
Research not only in respect of its policies and
programmes but also for resolving a difficulty in
the matter of functioning of the Council
because of any lacunae in its Memorandum
of Association or in the Rules ;

(b) if so, whether any such directives
have so far been issued to the Council or any
difficulty brought to the notice of Government ;
and

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) No such occasion has arisen so far.

Terms and Conditions of Service remune-
ration, Power and Duties of Member Secretary
LC.S.S.R.

3775. SHRI S.M. SIDDAYYA : Will the
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether the terms "and conditions of
service, remuneration, powers and duties of
the Member Secretary of the Indian Council
of Social Science Research have been specified
in the form of any regulations ; if so, the main
features thereof ;

(b) the name and date of appointment of
the first Member Secretary of the Council, his
present age and the period for which he has
been appointed to that office; and

(c) whether he is also functioning
simultaneously in other capacity in his
Ministry, and if so, what capacity and for
how long ?

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF.
S. NURUL HASAN):(a) Yes, Sir. The extracts
of relevant regulations are given in the,
statement laid on the Table of the House
[Placed in Library. See No. LT 3532/72]

(b) Rule 14 of the Indian Council of
Social Science Research provides that the
first Member Secretary of the Council shall
be appointed by the Government of India and
shall hold office till such time a Member
Secretary has been appointed by the Council
with the approval of the Government.
Accordingly Shri J. P. Naik was appointed
tfafe first Member Secretary of the Council
on 1st August, 1969. His date of birth is 5th
September, 1907.

He works purely in .an honorary capacity
and has expressed his desire to be relieved as
soon as possible. The Council has advertised the
post and appointed a Selection Committee. Its
proposals are awaited.

(c) Shri J.P. Naik has also been
functioning 4 Adviser in the Ministry of
Education and Social Welfare in an honorary
capacity frond July, 1959 except for the period
from Octobef 1, 1964 to June 30, 1966 when
he was appointed as Member-Secretary of the

AUGUST 28, 1972

Written Answers 188

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Education Commission^ He draws a token
salary of Rupee one per’inonth .

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Setting up of Cental Museum of Freedom
Struggle

3777. SHRI H.N. MUKERJEE : Will
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have considered
the question of setting up a Central Museum
of Freedom struggle in the capital depicting
various phases of India’s freedom movement
right from the War of Independence of 1857
upto the final victory over the British rule in
1947 ; and

(b) if so, the decision taken ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (Shri D. P. Yadav) : (a) and
(b) Government propose to set up in New Delhi
during the current year a permanent Gallery
depicting the national freedom movement and
role that various personalities played in the
major events of that movement. The Gallery
will cover in the main the period 1857 to 1947
and will contain photographs and paintings of
events and personalities, models, momentoes,
voice tapes, transparencies and other exhibits
which Will depict the various phases of the
movement through visual and aural media.

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Permission for Construction of a Road in
District Shahjalianpur U.P.

3778 SHRI J1TENDRA PRASAD :
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT be pleased to state :

(a) whether Government have received
representation regarding permission to
construct a road in district Shahjahanpur,
Uttar Pradesh which runs parallel to the
railway line from the Railway crossing to the
cremation ground ; and

(b) if so, what action Government have
taken in the matter 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM
MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

BHADRA 8, K94 {SAKA)

190

189* Written Answers

Contraction of Dams by Delhi Administration

•>

3779* SHRI DAUP SINGH: Will the
Minister of AGRICULTURE he pleased to
state :

(a) whether certain dams are being
constructed by Delhi Administration under
Central Scheme of “Crash Programme” and
whether Asola, Mahipalpur bandhs are
covered by this scheme ;

- (b) whether the Asola bandh caught a

breach during recent rains due to negligence of
engineers who could not complete the jobs by
the scheduled date of 13 June, 1972 ;

(c) whether the cement has very
nominally been in used in the spillway
constructed on Asola bandh and as a result
of which the spillway was badly damaged;
and

(d) whether any enquiry has been ordered
to probe into the matter and if so, with what
result 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. Only
extension of Asola bandh was taken up under
Crash Scheme for Rural Employment,
whereas Mahipalpur bandh is neaily a century
old bandh and no work under Crash Scheme
for Rural Employment has been undertaken
on this bandh.

(b) Asola bandh was breached due to
unusually heavy rains on 8th July, 1972, No
target date was fixed for its completion but
efforts were made finish the work by end of
June when rains are normally expected.

(c) and (d). Some complaints of this
nature were received. The Chief Engineer
(Floods), Delhi Administration was asked to
get samples tested. The Central Soil and
Material. Research Station, Central Water
and Power Commission, New Delhi have
been asked to investigate the matter. They
have collected samples and results of labora-
tory test reports are expected shortly.

12.02 brs.

CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF
URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE

Policy Of Prohibition

• SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : Sir, I call the attention of the
Minister of Education and Social Welfare to
the following matte? of urgent public impor-
tance and I request that he may make a state-
ment thereon : —

“The recent moves to systematically undo
the policy of prohibition enshrined in the
Directive Principles of State Policy in the
Constitution of India.”

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) :
Prohibition is a Directive Principle of State
Policy. Article 47 of the Constitution requires
that The State shall regard the raising of the
level of nutrition and the standard of living of
its people and the improvement of public health
as among its primary duties and, in particular,
the State shall endeavour to bring about
prohibition of the consumption except for
medicinal purposes of intoxicating drinks and
of drugs which are injurious to health.’ The
Union Government has been urging the States
(which expression shall cover Union territories
also) to tike positive steps in the direction of
the implementation of this principle of prohibi-
tion

The Union Government has not given
approval to any Act of any State which would
have the effect of scrapping prohibition. On
the contiary, it has offered financial assistance
to the States to bring about prohibition, and
has suggested guidelines for implementing this
policy. The Five year Plans have incorporated
programmes to promote prohibition. A Central
Prohibition Committee has been set up to
review the progress of prohibition programmes.
The Central Government is also giving assis-
tance to the All India Prohibition Council
which is carrying on propaganda in favour of
prohibit!^;, Educational programmes and
mass media hjve also been used to create a
climate in the country in favour of prohibition.

It may ibwever be recalled that the
production, maiufacture, possession, transport
purchase and sale of intoxicating liquors is a

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Prohibition (CA) 192

IShri D. P. Yadav] %

State subject. A number States which had
adopted varying measures cf^rohibition during
the first two decades of Independence have
been reviewing the position and relaxing the
laws for various reasons. The spread of illicit
distillation has resulted in the death of many
persons and proved to be a great hazard to
health. This has been one of the main factors
influencing the States to rationalise the imple-
mentation of their prohibition policy. The
objective is to work out an arrangement which,
in their opinion, would be both practicable and
consistent with the Directive Principle.

The Administration of the Union Territory
of Delhi has made no change in the basic
policy regarding prohibition. They have only
rationalised their excise arrangements. By
controlling pricing, distribution, and sale of
liquor they hope to combat illicit distillation
and smuggling.

The President of the AH India Prohibition
Council had written to the Government to say
that so long as complete prohibition is not
considered possible, the best 'that the Govern-
ment should do is to take over production and
distribution of liquor of all varieties in its
own hand to eliminate vested interests and
unscrupulous traders. It was also suggested
that this would act as a check against illicit
brewing because much of this brew is sold by
licence-holders who can buy it cheap from
illicit browers. The Union Government, under
the Constitution, cannot do this. The States
may take such action as they deem fit or
practical in accordance with this advice.

It would, therefore, be incorrect to say
that there has been any systematic move to
undo the policy of prohibition.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN* MISHRA :
Mr. Speaker, Sir, first I must express my
amazement at the way this question is now
being handled not by the Ministry of Home
Affairs but by the Ministry of Education and
Social Welfare. Earlier during this session
questions relating to this were answered by the
Ministty of Home Affairs and even the
prohibition cell to which the hon.^Minister has
referred was located in the Ministry of Home
Affairs. I do not know whether it means
any downgrading of the subjef so far as
Government's estimation of it is doncerned.

Secondly, Mr* Speaker, ! am not only
amazed but am also ashamed to hear the
defence put up by the Minister for the undo*
ing of prohibition. What he has Bought to
construe as rationalisation, to my mind, means
relaxation or complete negation. I do not
know whether rationalisation can be made
synonymous with negation or relaxation. Any
one who has been going through the news-
papers and has been reading the very dis-
turbing reports about proliferation of drinking
would say that what the Minister has said is
completely beside the point and that it is far
from the truth. Here, I have got a picture
which was published by the HINDUSTAN
TIMES only few days back where we find an
interminable queue of men and women
and even children. I do not know whether
any Government calling itself as the Congress
Government about which I have got serious
doubts — can put up with this kind of situation
as appeared in the national press. One is
simply ashamed to find such pictures.

As you know, prohibition had been the
very article of faith of our national movement
which led to Independence. The national
struggle against British imperialism was mostly
based on Khadi and Prohibition Mahatma
Gandhi had made it one of his life missions
and once, when he was asked as to what he
would do if he was appointed the Dictator of
India, he said that the first act of his would be
to introduce prohibition.

What we find now, after 25 years of
Independence, and particularly after the Gandhi
Centenary year is that the entire country is
almost wet. While we find drought in the
fields, there is irrigation of human
throats. Or, I would say, that while the Minis-
ter of Irrigation may be failing in his duty,
the Minister of Social Welfare is very much
fulfilling his duty by irrigating the throats of
human beings 1

Therefore, we find that one lamp after
another, lit by Mahatma Gandhi, is being
snuffed out by the Congress Governments
which happen to be jn power in most of the
States at the present moment.

This process of undoing of prohibition is
taking place not at a trot but at a
gallop speed. Earlier, while one-third of

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Prohibition ( CA ) 194

fat country and one-fourth of the population
happened to be under prohibition, bow, only
one»twentieth of the population happens to be
under prohibition. Gujarat and a few districts
of Rajasthan and a few districts of UP alone
happen to be dry. Otherwise, the entire country,
has gone wet.

The position to-day, Mr. Speaker, is that
we are spending about 2 5 to 3 per cent of
our national income on liquor alone and the
liquor revenue is increasing at the rate of 60 to
70 per cent per year. It has gone upto Rs. 200
crores from about Rs. 40 crores in the year of
Independence and the total bill on liquor
would be of the order of Rs. 800 crores
annually so that during the course
of the Fourth Five Year Plan, you would
have a total bill of about Rs. 4000
crores, more than the outlay on education and
health in the country.

This is the disturbing state of affairs. And
right in the city of Delhi which is the direct
responsibility of the Central Government,
prohibition has been almost abandoned and
yet, the Minister says that the Government is
adhering to the policy of prohibition. 14 to 15
per cent of Delhi's student population, it was
discovered only the other day, happens to be
addicts to narcotics and many of them happen
to be addicts to liquor also. Would we like
this state of affairs to go on ? If this is the
progress of anti-prohibition, I do not know
how can the Minister claim that the Govern-
ment still adheres to prohibition.

Some of the points which have been
mentioned by the Minister are again not
correct. The Minister says that the argu-
ment of many of the States is that there has
been a great increase in illicit distillation in
many of the areas. Now, the proposition
seems to be quite the reverse. Illicit distil-
lation has been less in the dry areas than in
the wet areas and one of the committees
appointed by the Madhya Pradesh Govern-
ment has come to this 'conclusion that illicit
distillation was on the increase in the wet
areas rather than in the dry areas. What is
particularly the finding in the State of
Gujarat 7 In the State of Gujarat, we do
not have much complaint about illicit distil-
lation! of which the Minister has talked so
much. The hon. Minister says that there has
. been a great deal of smuggling and things
like that {interruptions) So far as

smuggling is concerned, in the City of Delhi,
there is now almost the same scope or even
increased scope for smuggling because round
about Delhi all the areas are wet. So, the
scope for smuggling cannot be said to have
.diminished in any way or the Government
cannot be credited with spy efforts having
been made in that direction to prevent
smuggling.

Government says that it cannot under
the Constitution, take over this trade, the
production and the distribution of liquor.
May I ask this ? If that i9 so, if it is in the
interest of the policy of prohibition, would
not Government consider amending the
Constitution so that it is in a position to
take over the entire production and distri-
bution of liquor ?

So far as Governors are concerned,
they have even today got the right to import
liquor, duty-free. They have been doing this
all along ; there has been absolutely no ban
on Governors importing liquor duty-free.
May I ask : What is the total bill of the
Government so far as the liquor expenses are
concerned ? What is the total Government
expenditure on this one item of liquor alone ?
This item appears to be on the increase year
after year and now it has increased many
times and 1 would like to have some figures
from the hon. Minister.

A few questions which the hon. Minister
has not chosen to answer are the following :

What exactly is the Government proposing
to do, to implement the Goa resolution ?

•

, We, Sir, in the United Congress had passed
a Resolution at Goa in the year 1968 and
had adopted a 7-year programme for the
implementation df prohibition throughout the
country. But what do We find in the year
1972 ? We find that the movement is taking
place just in the reverse direction. Therefore
my question is : What is it that the Govern-
ment proposes to do now ? This is a
question which they must squarely face and
come out with a clear answer. What is it
that they are gfing to do to implement the
Goa resolution ? They must give a categori-
cal answer to this. If they want to imple-
ment the Goa resolution, what is the concrete
programme which they want to follow,
towards that eiird ?

195 Policy of

AUGUST 28, 1972

Prohibition i/Cd) 196

SHRI R. S. PANIj|Y (Rajnaadgaon) :
Goa was a wrong place.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Goa was not a wrong place ; perhaps this
programme was entrusted to wrong hands.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rsya-
pur) : Does the Goa resolution mean, the
resolution was accepted by the people of
Goa ?

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
When it is not acceptable to the people of
Maharashtra, why do you ask about other
people of other States of the country ?
Maharashtra was the first State which went
against the Goa resolution in December, 1968
itself.

My second question is this :

Will the Government appoint a Committee
to suggest ways and means of streamlining
the programme and stop the reversal of the
policy on prohibition ?

There is another question which is also
important. It is this :

Will the Government think of banning li-
quor advertisements throughout the country ?
Now, the position is thip. Liquor advertise-
ments are banned only in the city of Delhi, but
nowhere else in the country. There are of
course bans on advertisements on narcotics.
Would not the Government consider
extending this ban (as they have done in * the
case of narcotics) also to liquor throughout
the country ?

There has been* a demand for banning
public drinking throughout the country.
What does the Government propose to do
about it ? ( Interruption ) Col Mohan is
a famous name now. They had come out
with an advertisement sometime back in
which they had given the picture of the Prime
Minister. They said in the* advertisement :
Silver-lining in the dark night.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BftSU (Diamond
Harbour) : After one lonsumes their
product.

MR. SPEAKER: A sympathetic neigh-
bour is sitting by your side.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
The neighbour is very helpftil ; he will
. cooperate.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr.
Speaker, the Undivided Congress also involved
you, Sir.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi-
wash) : In those days.

MR. SPEAKER : I do not belong to
any party at present.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I was
only talking about your pre-Speakership days.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : We
are not talking about political parties now,
but we are talking about cocktail parties.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
You would be interested to 'learn that when
the Shriman Narayan Committee was
appointed in 1954 and it invited the
three Service Chiefs, they promised
the committee full co-operation if the nation
adopted a policy of prohibition. So, I think
that there is no element in the country which
would not like to fall in line with this policy,
if Government are serious about this.

These are some of the questions which I
would like the hon. Minister to address him-
self to. Otherwise, this issue is now agitating
the public mind very much and there might
be great agitations on this issue, because all
of us a? Congressmen had been pledged to this
policy, and we had also made some sacrifices
in respect of that policy. There must also be
some hon. Members in this House who would
have staged a dharna during the course of
the struggle for Independence, in this regard.

SHRI PILOO tfODY : But Congress
souvenirs carry these advertisements.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Therefore, I would like to have some evidence
of the earnestness on the part of Government
to implement this national policy. Would
Government, therefore, think of appointing a
committee to go into this matter again 7

Why is the report of the Baksfai Tek Gbaud

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BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

Prohibition (CA) 198

iMudytaatn not being implemented or put
into effect 7 This study team was appointed
after the Planning Commission had convened
a meeting and the Chief Ministers who had
met had said that there should be a team
appointed under the chairmanship of a
judge. This team had made certain
recommendations which were of a very
objective nature. What do Government
propose to do to implement the recommen-
dations of this Bakshi Tek Chand Com-
mittee ? 1 would, therefore, plead with

Government to appoint a committee of
Parliament to go into this whole question of
implementing prohibition in a phased manner,
and particularly to put into effect some of the
recommendations or almost all the recom-
mendations that have been made by the
Bakshi Tek Chand study team. Since no
action has been taken on that report, I find
that a dark and dismal chapter has now
opened in this country

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : He wants
a Malaviya Committee now ?

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
If Shri K. D. Malaviya is willing to head
that committee, I shall have no objection.

SHRI PILOO MODY: He is drunk
with oil.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Finally, I would submit that even for the
Garibi Hatao programme, Government must
implement this policy of prohibition. Other-
wise, the Garibi Hatao programme would be
converted into a Garibi Bhulao programme.
If it is the main objective of Government to
implement the Garibi Hatao programme, then
my submission is that this should be the
cornerstone ot that programme. Mahatma
Gandhi's Garibi Hatao programme had
prohibition as its kingpin, but now it seems
that Shrimati Indira Gandhi's programme has
antiprohibition as its Kingpin

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not make it a
political issue, but let him as his question now.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I am
trying to say that this prohibition programme
is in the interests of the Harijans, Adibasis,
labourers and the rest of the poor people,
and if Government do not take serious steps to
implement this programme

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj) :
There must be something specific and some
concreteness about the points that he wants
to make. He is giving a long discourse on
prohibition, although I agree that there might
be a few relevant points.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I
have said nothing of a general nature. I am
connecting it ,up with the Garibi Hatao
programme. I am submitting that in the
interests of the poor men in this country it is
necessary that the prohibition policy must be
implemented fully. Otherwise, what one would
infer is that instead of the Garibi Hatao
programme, we have y got the Garibi Bhulao
programme, because it seem 9 to be the
conclusion of the Government that since the
miseries of Garibi cannot be removed, they
must be drowned in a cup of liquor. That
seems to be the conclusion of Government,
Otherwise, we would not have this type of
situation.

SHRI D. P. YADAV : At the outset, I
would say that the speech delivered by
Mishraji is more of a political nature than
of a recommendatory nature. So far as his
contention is concerned, this House and the
Goverhraent are concerned with this problem.
But the directive principles are not enforceable
in a court of law. Article 37 says so and also
says :

“...but the principles laid down therein
are nevertheless fundamental in the
governance of the country and it shall be
the duty of the State to apply these
principles in making laws". {Interrupt
• tions)

So far as the distribution of responsibility
between the Centre and the States is concerned,
this is defined in the Seventh Schedule :
cultivation, manufacture *and sale for export, of
opium is in the Union List; intoxicating liquors,
that is to say, the production, manufacture,
possession, transport, purchase and sale of
intoxicating liquors is in the State List ; also
in the State List are duties of excise on the
following goodf manufactured or produced in
the State ana countervailing duties at the
same or lower rates on similar goods manufac-
tured or produced elsewhere in India ; (a)
alcoholic liqtmrs for human consumption ;
(b) opium, Indian hemp and other narcotics
drugs and narcotics...

199 Policy of

AUGUST 28, 1972

Prohibition (€ A) MO

SHRI G. VISWANAtff AN : What is the
relevance of this ? Can Jbe say whatever he
wants ?

SHRI D. P. YADAV : So far as implemen-
tation is concerned, it is with the State
Governments. i

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : What
about the Centre and Union Territories ?

SHRI D. P. YADAV : The Centre’s role
1 is advisory in this respect. It cannot enforce
its views on the States. In the two decades
after independence, there has definitely been
some deterioration in this sphere and the
consumption of intoxicating liquors has
increased. We have to remember that the
production of alcohol is not a tedious process.
It can be easily manufactured. Simply you put
some toddy and then alcohol can be produced
by any...

MR. SPEAKER : Do not tell them the
method of making it...

SHRI D. P. YADAV : There has been a
tremendous problem on the implementation
side. We have definitely suggested to . State
Governments that they should stick to the
prohibition policy to the maximum extent.

I assure this House that the Government
will be coming forward with all kinds of help
in its jurisdiction and power so that prohibition
is implemented. ( Interruption ) As regards
Delhi, liquor will not be supplied to persons
below the age of 18 and to women. Regarding
the photograph referred to by Shri Mishra,
there is no woman in that photograph.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
There is.

MR. SPEAKER : The man looks like a
woman !

SHRI D. P. YADAV : Shri Mishra then
referred to something about Governors
importing liquor duty-free. At this stage, I
am not aware of anything. 'So, I cannot
comment on that issue. ( Interruption ) A
number of measures have been suggested and
they will be implemented by I well-meaning
citizens as well as by volunary agencies
to improve the standard of life. *

About the Government taking over the
production and sale of liquor, in this, the
Ministry of Law has to be consulted and a
lot of things have to be done. At this stage*
I cannot comment on this. But the Govern-
ment will definitely think over it. Certainly,
about the restricted sale and use of alcohol,
we are definitely implementing it through the
Ministry of Education, as well as through
other agencies and we shall be providing
greater recreational facilites...

SHRI PI LOO MODY : Wbat about Moban
Meakin advertisements ? ( Interruption )

SHRI D. P. YADAV : Regarding the
general points raised by Shri Mishra, defini-
tely it is our concern: it is the concern of
the Government of India, and with the co-
operation of this House, and the Members
of the House as well as all other voluntary
agencies . . . ( Interruption ) . . .everything possi-
ble will be done.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : My
questions have not been answered at all. We
have been committed to the policy of
implementing prohibition within a period of
seven years. What is the Government’s posi-
tion with regard to that 7 A resolution was
passed in the A ICC. The Government was
committed to that policy. He has not said
anything about it and about the Union territo-
ries. They are their special responsibility. Here,
the dry days have been reduced from two to
one in the course of a week. ( Interruption )
The dry day have been reduced from
two to one in Delhi. And then they are going
to open more shops in Delhi. But they are not
opening shops for essential things like food
and other items. Let him say something on
it. It is their special responsibility.

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ercrsftm srsrr? *it ^ ?

MR. SPEAKER : I am not preventing
him.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He
is trying to say something. Why shops are
being opened in Delhi and why the dry days
have been reduced from two to one in the
course of a week ? ( Interruption )

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SARA) Adjournment 202

Re : Motion for

i SHRI B, V. NA1K (Kanara) : Sir. I rise
oil a point of order. (Interruption) 1 am
asking a relevant question.

MR. SPEAKER : You cannot ask, ac-
cording to the procedure.

SHRI B.V, NAIK : Even my point of
order has been refused.

MR. SPEAKER : Order please.

SHRI D.P. YADAV : We are looking
into the matter and we have done our best.
(Interruption)

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order.

12.34 hrs.

RE. MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Sir, I have brought here copies
of newspapers. The freedom of the press in
West Begal has been curtailed. The Yuva
Congress workers are burning things and beat-
ing up the workers. (Interruption) This
is a matter of the freedom of the press. I
have written to you about it.

MR. SPEAKER : You are speaking
without my permission.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : We
are also getting telegrams on this matter and
you may allow at least a short notice ques-
tion.

MR. SPEAKER : I have examined it.
It is a State matter. 1 am not allowing it...
(Interruptions). Nothing will go on record
unless I allow it...(Interruptions).

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU...**

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : Only one word from you will
set at test all anxiety in this matter. If it
involves the freedom of the press it is a matter
of national concern. If it does not involve
the question of the freedom of the Press, you

should say what is your opinion about it...

(Interruptions.)

SHRI R.S. PANDEY (Rajnandgaon) :
My submission is that anything under the
sun can be discussed on the floor of the
House but your permission is paramount.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir... **

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. I am
not allowing the adjournment motion. What
the State Government is doing there is a
State matter. It is final. Nothing will go
on record.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I am not
pleading for the adjournment motion. But
even if we have our disagreement with the
opinions expressed by any particular paper or
publication, there is no ground for setting
fire to books and papers. This is not a
method which can be supported. You may
not allow an adjournment motion but you
can give us some opportunity in some other
form to raise it here.

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed an
adjournment motion. Anything happens,
you come with an adjournment motion. Don't
make it a matter of common occurrence every
day. I have not allowed that adjournment
motion. He should not insist on it.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I wrote a
letter to you to make a mention about it.

MR. SPEAKER ; Then how can you
come with an adjournment motion, if you say
you wrote a letter to me ? Then you say
you have sent some other motion.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : Will
you teil us how* to frame an adjournment
motion which you will allow ?

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t pass such
remarks. I do not like it.

SHRI PILOO MODY : What is the
procedure ? ^

MR. SPEAKER : 1 am going to explain
the procedures here, nor why ldo it or why
I do not do ft

**Not recorded.

AUGUST 28, 1*72

Adjournment At

203 Re : Motion for*.

SHRI PILOO MOlir : I do not want
the reasons. I want to*-know bow we can
bring an adjournment option.

MR, SPEAKER : Why are you shouting
at the top of your voice J

SHRI PILOO MODY Because I want
to be heard.

MR. SPEAKER : If you think by
scouting you can be heard, I am not going
to allow it.

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI (Berhara-
pore) : I am not one who makes unnecessary
noise over adjournment motions and other
things. But if you always treat an adjourn-
ment motion in this fashion and sort of— I
do not want to use a strong word— reject it
in your chamber. But there is also such a
thing in the rules as discussion on the admis-
sibility of adjournment motions. When we
on this side of the House feel that the nor-
mal processes of airing our views through
newspapers, journals and other things are
being obstructed, and when we also feel that
this comes within the purview of the powers
of the Centre so far as freedom of the press
and other things are concerned, you can at
least allow us to argue out the admissibility of
the motion. You may hear us and then
rule it out.

MR. SPEAKER : Where I have some
doubt, I do hear the hon. members. But
where 1 have no doubt about its non-admissi-
bility at all, I do not hear. ( Interruptions )

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT-
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : We
are not afraid of a discussion o? this subject and
although we fully agrfe with you we will bow
down to your decision, we do not think it is a
matter which can be raised as an adjournment
motion. Here I would like to say that Shri
Piloo Mody of all people, a senior Member,
has asked you in a very discourteous manner
to tell him how he could table an adjourn-
ment motion. Ip it proper Would you
kindly ask trim t© withdraw the remarks be
has made 1 (fntetruptions)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BO:|J : May I

mfcke tny fobmission in one minlte 1

MR. SPEAKER : You are fording me
to allow you to make a submission. Every
day it is happening. I say that it is ' not
admissible. In spite of that, you keep on
pressing me to allow you to make a submit*
sion. I do not know whether it will tad.
The question is not of giving you one minute
or five minutes. The motion is not admis-
sible.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, Kindly
do not forget that I wrote to the Chair in
the matter seeking permission to make a
mention of it. I have given notice of an
adjournment motion which you disallowed.
As soon as I was informed that the adjourn-
ment motion has been disallowed, I wrote to
you seeking your kind permission to make a
mention of this because, as the representa-
tives of the people when we go on getting tele-
grams and parcels like this, we should
least make a mention of them... (Interrup-
tions)

MR. SPEAKER : The adjournment
motion has been disallowed.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want to
read the telegram.

MR. SPEAKER : He may make his sub-
mission in one or two minutes. But I am not
prepared to accept his adjournment motion.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : When you
said that the adjournment motion has been
disallowed, I did not raise a voice. I wrote
a letter, seeking your permission to make a
mention of it. I want to read the telegram,
if you will permit me... ( Interruptions )

MR. SPEAKER : The adjournment
motion is disposed of. 1 allow him one or
two minutes to say whatever he wants to
say... ( Interruptions )

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Under what
rule ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have
received a telegram which reads... (Interrup-
tions) ,

SHRI HA&I KISHORE SINGH (Poprt) :
We have already taken a lot of time on this.
Further, the reading of the telegram is irrele-

Jfe ; Motion for

BHADRA t, 1894 (SARA)

Adjournment 206

vlnt It should not be allowed.., .^{Inter-
rations).

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed
the adjournment motion. In spite of that,
as Teq nested by Shri Indrajit Gupta and
others, since he wanted to make some sub-
mission as the representative of the people,
I thought I will allow him to make his sub-
mission for a minute or two and then say
that it is a State subject.

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : If you
now allow him to say something, an impres-
sion will go round that you are yielding to
pressure. That is improper ... ( Interruptions )

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR Sir, under what
rule is it being permitted ?

MR. SPEAKER : Perhaps, hon. Mem-
bers have not followed me. I have already
disposed of the adjournment motion. Then
the Member says that he wants to make a
submission. If I hear him then I will know
what is the submission he is going to
make.

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : Under
what rule is he going to make a submission ?
There is nothing before the House... (Interrup-
tions)

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : He cannot read
it. There is no rule permitting it.

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Sir, I do appre-
ciate your generosity in allowing Shri Basu
to read the telegram. But, as my hon. friend
has rightly suggested, that the House should
not get the impression that out of generosity
you yield to a member. What is the business
before the House ? The adjournment motion
has been rejected. If the telegram relates to
the adjournment motion, he cannot read it...
( Interruptions ).

MR. SPEAKER : So far as the business
before the House is concerned, it seems to be
creating noise and shouting at each other.
That is all what I can say at the present stage
••(Interruptions)

They are shouting at you ; you are shout-
ing at them.

It is a big headache for the Speaker, for
any Spe^ket— (Interruptions) May I explain
to you he is not speaking on the adjournment
motion now ?

SOME HON. MEMBERS : On what
then ?

MR. SPEAKER : I have given him one
minute to let me know on what he wants to
speak now. §

AN HON. MEMBER : He can mention
the subject only . . . (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu,
on what are you going to speak ? (Interrup-
tions) Order, order ; please sit down.

SHRI PILOO MODY : Mr. Raj Bahadur,
instead of controlling the party, is inciting
them . . .( Interruptions )

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : He cannot read
that paper . . . (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Piloo Modi, don*!
worry about them ; you worry about your side.
(Interruptions) Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, now
that I have not allowed the adjournment
motion, you give it in writing to me as to
what is the subject on which you want to
speak and I will consider it later on. "(Inter-
ruptions) This is not fair. I cannot allow
the debate to go on. ..(Interruptions)

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I
want to raise a point of order, Sir. ..(Interrup-
tions)

MR. SPEAKER : 1 allowed him to speak
for one minute. As there is too much noise
now,J want to know on what he wants to
speak. (Interruptions)

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupzha) :
Sir, I rise on a point of order . (Interruptions)

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Just now,

you asked him to read out the telegram

...(Interruptions).

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Here is a
copy of the adjournment motion. The sub-
ject-mater ^’(Interruptions).

AUGUST 29, 1972

207 Re : Motion for ^

-i

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN On a point of
order. Sir. Before Mr. J^Miraioy Bosu (peaks,
1 am raisins a very vital matter- . (Interrup-
tions).

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order ; kindly sit
down for a while.. .(Interruptions).

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Now you are yielding to the pressure from the
other side.. .(Interruptions),

MR. SPEAKER : May I explain to you ?
It is very difficult in this noise to conduct the
business unless there is some silence. All I
did was that, after disposing of the business, I
said, ‘Well, if there is no adjournment motion,
let him make an observation for a minute or
two'...

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes, Sir,

MR. SPEAKER : Have some patience.
Now you are asking me under what rule. I
have asked him to give me something in
writing.. ..(Interruption) He can pass it on
to me, under what procedure I can allow...
{Interruption) He will get one or two
minutes, but to dispose of your objection, I
said, he can tell me under what {Inter-
ruption)

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash) :
I want to make a submission: You allowed
Mr. Bosu to read a telegramme. But when
the members on the other side spoke, you
changed your opinion.

Adjournment 3H

a minute or two, they are objecting to it.*.

(Interruption)

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : So far as your
permission to Mr, Bosu to say for a minute
is concerned, we bow down to it ; we never ,
objected to it. We only wanted to know
from you under what rule he will read any
document. If he reads any document today,
the other members also will bring documents
and read them out tomorrow. This will become
some sort of a precedent. My hon. friend
is rising on a point of order. Can any
member throw that on the floor of the
House ?

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SHRI C. M. STEPHEN Mr. Speaker,
Sir...

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I have been
rising on a point of order. Kindly look this
side b)$o - (Interruption) y

MR, SPEAKER : It goes on every day.
This dpgs not lead us anywhere. - All of you
are, mature people. When tlere was no
adjournment motion, I wanted p allow him

If somebody rises on a point of order on
his speaking, I have to allow it.

13.00 hrs.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur):
What is the point of order ?... (Interruptions)
There is no point of order.

SHRI R. S, PANDEY : On a point of
order. Sir...

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
Can there be a point of order on your order,
Sir ? Your order is final.

MR. SPEAKER ; Any Member can
invite my attention on a question of procedure.

BHADRA 6, 1894 ( SARA )

Adjournment 210

20 $ Re. Motion/or

He|bas invited my attention Jo a question of
pn&edure. To solve it, I 103 , ‘Under what
Ruts?’

SHRI S. M. BANERJEB : Now, the
question has arisen. Under what Rule he
should be permitted ...{Interruptions)

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I have a right
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Can’t I raise a point of order.

MR. SPEAKER : Can’t you speak a little
less louder 7

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SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Because they
were shouting, I raised my voice.

The point that 1 am raising is a very
serious matter. I am not on the question of
adjournment motion or your ruling on that.
But, meanwhile, something has happened here,
which this House will be doing a disservice to
itself, if it were to disregard it Mr. Jyotirmoy
Bosu, when a direction was given by you, just
threw up w the entire papers before him...(/n-
terruplions)

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Burnt
papers.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Threw the
whole paper. They are there. The question I
am raising is whether or not he has committed
an act of contempt.

MR. SPEAKER : I am going to examine
it. I will examine it.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : That
is a subsequent development.

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Adjournment 212

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that particular thing, and shall see whether it
should be referred to the Committee of Privil-
eges or not, and I am going to take it as a
separate matter.

SHRI PILOO MODY : May I make a
submission, Sir ?...

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MR. SPEAKER : It does not mean any
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SHRI PILOO MODY : If you would
please permit me, it will help matters, Several
times you have laid down the procedure that
you have been adopting all these days. It is a
reasonable procedure in the context of how
things are today. If Shri Jyotirrooy Bosu bad

AUGUST 28, W72

BMADRA 6, 1194 (SAKA)

Adjournment 214

211 He. Motion for

permitted to read a telegram, that
ly would not have watted so much
time, nor would it have generated so much
heat nor would & have destroyed*..

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : (Bombay
Central) This sermon is not necessary in this
House.

SHRI PILOO MODY : Unlike Shri R. D.
Bhandare who sermonises all the time and
gives some advice...

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SHRI PILOO MODY : I am helping you,
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MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it under
adjournment motion. But if he wants to make
a submission, he may make his submissions
verbally.

SHRI PILOO MODY : What I was saying
was that it was precisely when on negligible
things like this, the members of the ruling
party, at the incitement of the Minister of
Pariiamentary Affairs, I am ashamed to say...

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : No, no.
( Interruptions )

SHRI PILOO MODY : This is an object
demonstration of what I am trying to tell you,
namely that nobody is permitted to make a
statement in this House without the sort of
barracking which is going on. It is precisely
for this reason that I urge you that two minutes
given at the right time is worth at least 25
minutes spent otherwise.

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MR. SPEAKER : The rule is that when I
hold it in order, then I tell the House what it
is about.

Iam allowing Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu to make
his submission. But if he goes by the rules,
then my ruling will also go by the rules. Now,
he can make his submission. But in the course
of the submission, I am not allowing any
motion...

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : But, let me
point out to you. Sir, that you are sufficiently
equipped to give any directive that you wish
to give, under rule 389 which reads as follows :

"All matters not specifically provided for
in these rules and all questions relating to
the detailed working of these rules shall be
regulated in such manner as the Speaker
may, from time to time, direct.”

MR. SPEAKER :I am regulating it now.

I have allowed him two minutes to say what

he wants, but not on the motion...

•

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You are
competent to allow me to say this. I had given
an adjournment motion on the Government's
failure... «

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not refer to the
adjournment motion now. Let him say what
he wants to say.

SHRI JYCyiRMOY BOSU : All right.
In obedience to your wishes, let me know whe-
ther you want me to read the telegram...

MR. SPEAKER : No, no. Let him say
what he wants to say.

215 Papers Laid

AUGUST 28, 1972

Papers Laid 216

SHR1 JYOTIRMQY BOSU : What do you
want me to do, Sir ?

MR. SPEAKER : He may say in two
minutes what he wants to submit.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Newspapers
and periodicals in West Bengal which are
writing things aganist Shrimati Indira Gandhi
or the Congress are being burnt, and people
are being beaten up, and thousands of new-
spapers have been burnt at the point of the
pistol at Sealdah station in broad daylight by
Yuv Congress workers, and the Chhaatra
Parishad workers. 1 am sorry that the Central
Government have been quietly watching it
What is this press freedom and freedom of
circulation of newspapers ? It is a matter for
this House to condemn. We condemn this
action. The ruling party, conniving at anti-
socials, is doing this and killing all democratic
norms and breeding fascism in this country.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We repudiate all
the insinuations and suggestions that the hon.
Member has made.

13.15 hrs.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Report and Accounts of All India
Institute of Medical Sciences

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P.
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : On behalf of
Shn Uma Shankar Dikshit, I beg to lay on
the Table a copy of the Annual Accounts
(Hindi and English versions) of the
All-India Institute* of Medical Sciences,
New Delhi, for the year 1969-70 together with
the Audit Report thereon, under sub-section
(4) of section 18 of the All India Institute of
Medical Sciences Act, 1956 [Placed in
Library . See No. LT— 3509/72 ]

Report and Accounts of Shipping
Development Fund Committee

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND

TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR):
I beg to Jay on the Table a copy of the
Report and Certified Accounts (Hindi and
English versions) of the Shipping Develop-
ment Fund Committee for the year 1970-71,
together with the Audit Report thereon, under
sub-section (6) of section 16 of the Merchant
Shipping Act, 1958. [Placed in Library .
See No. LT— 3510/72.]

Notifications under Essential
Commodities Act

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.
SHER SINGH) : On behalf of Shri
Annasaheb P. Shinde, I beg to lay on the
Table—

(1) A copy each of the following Noti-
fications under sub-section (6) of
section 3 of the Essential Commo-
dities Act, 1955 : —

(i) The Fruit Products (Amend
ment) Order, 1971, published
in Notification No S. O. 5593
in Gazette of India dated the
30th December, 1971 (English
versions) and 17th June, 1972
(Hindi versions).

(li) The Fruit Products (Second
Amendment) Order, 1971
(Hindi and English versions)
published in Notification No.
S. O. 62lin Gazette of India
dated the 19th February, 1972.

(2) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons for delay
in laying the above Notifications.

[Placed in Library . See No. LT —
3511/72 ]

Accounts of the Committee for the
purpose of Controlling and Super-
vising Experiments on Animals

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to lay
on the Tabie a copy of the Audited Accounts
(Hindi and English versions) of the Committee
for the purpose of Controlling and Supervising
Experiments on Animals, Bombay, for the
year 1968-69 together with the Audit Report
thereon, under sub-rule (4) of Rule 24 of the

$217 Motion re . Sixteenth BHADRA 6, 1894 (SARA) Indian Copper Corporation 218
! Rep . of B.A.C. ( Acquisition of Undertaking ) Bill

.Committee for Controlling and Supervising
Experiments on Animals (Administration)
Rules, 1965, [Placed in Library . See No.
LT — 35I2/72J

13,16 hrs.

LEAVE OF ABSENCE FROM THE
SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE

MR. SPEAKER : The Committee on
Absence of Members from the Sittings of the
House in their Seventh Report have recom-
mended that leave of absence be granted to
the following Members for the periods
indicated against each

(1) Shri D P. Jadeja— 10th April to
1st June, 1972 (Fourth Session).

(2) Shri M. S. Sanjeevi Rao— 31st July
to 18th August, 1972 (Fifth Session).

(3) Shri Chandu Lai Chandrakar— 31st
July to 1st September, 1972 (Fifth
Session).

I take it that the House agrees with the
recommendations of the Committee.

HON. MEMBERS : Yes.

MR. SPEAKER : The Members will be
informed accordingly.

JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF
PROFIT

TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR):
I beg to move :

“That this House do agree with the
Sixteenth Report of the Business Advisory
Committee presented to the House on the
26th August, 1972.”

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

“That this House do agree with the
Sixteenth Report of the Business Advisory
Committee presented to the House on the
26th August, 1972.“

The motion wav adopted .

INDIAN COPPER CORPORATION
(ACQUISITION OF UNDER-
TAKING) BILL*

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM) : I beg to move for leave to
introduce a Bill to provide for the acquisition
of the undertaking of the Indian Copper
Corporation Limited, for the purpose of
enabling the Central Government, to conserve
and exploit, in a scientific and rational
manner, to the maximum advantage of the
nation, the copper deposits in the Singhbhum
belt in the State of Bihai, to utilise the copper
deposits in such manner as to subserve the
common good, in the context of the require-
ments of copper in the country, and for
matters connected therewith or incidental
thereto.

•

MR. SPEAKER : The question is :

Third Report “That leave be granted to introduce a

Bill to provide for the acquisition of the
SHRI D. BASUM ATARI (Kokrajhar) : undertaking of thte Indian Copper Cor-

I present the Third Report of the Join* poration Limited, for the purpose of

Committee on Offices of Profit, enabling the Central Government, to

conserve and exploit, in a scientific and
13.17 hrs. rational manner, to the maximum

MOTION RE., SIXTEENTH REPORT OF advantage of the nation, the copper

BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE deposit^ in the Singhbhum belt in the

State of Bihar, to utilise the copper
THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- deposits in such manner as to subserve

TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND the common good, in the context of the

*PubIished in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 28.8.72,

219 General Insurance business AUGUST 28, 1972 (Nationalisation) SIB 220

ty-

[Mr. Speaker]

requirements of coppetf in the country,
and for matters connected therewith or
incidents thereto."

The motion was adopted .

SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN-
GALAM : I introduce* the Bill.

13.1$ hrs.

GENERAL INSURANCE BUSINESS
(NATIONALISATION) BILL

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Cbavan.

move amendments and get them .accepted
once |ie makes his speech and proceeds.

MK. SPEAKER : I have not received
any intimation from him. The practice is
that members inform me beforehand on such
occasions.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am not
opposing the Bill.

MR. SPEAKER : He can speak when
his turn comes.

3THWT : eftar apt fotflr
*prr farr i

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): I
have a submission to make on the Bill.

MR. SPEAKER : There is nothing
before the House yet. Let him move it and
make his observations.

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : I beg to
move* :

I am getting very much thick-skinned.
Every time, every hon. Member is getting up.
This is too much, I am telling him that the
matter is not before the House. He does not
take it like that. The Minister is going to
explain it. The Bill is going to come for
consideration. He will have many opportu
nities to speak on it. He has not sent mt
any objection against its consideration.
{Interrupt ion).

“That the Bill to provide for the acqui-
sition and transfer of shares of Indian
insurance companies and undertakings
of other existing insurers in order to
serve better the needs of the economy by
securing the development of general
insurance business in the best interests of
the community and to ensure that the
operation of the economic system does not
result in the concentration of wealth to
the common detriment, fur the regulation
and control of such business and foi»
matters connected therewith or incidental
thereto, as reported by the Joint Com-
mittee, be taken into consideration."

SHRI S. M. BANEfcJEE rose-

SHR1 YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
Let me make my observations and then he
can say what he wants.

MR. SPEAKER : Why is ht impatient ?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE I have never
wanted to oppose it.

MR SPEAKER : Order, please.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : As
the House is aware, the General Insurance
Business (Nationalisation) Bill, 1972 was
introduced in the House on 29th May 1972
and was subsequently referred to a Joint
Committee of both Houses of Parliament on
30th May, 1972. The Report of the Committee
was presented to the House on the 21st
August 1972.

The Committee received representations
from a number of bodies and also heard
evidence from several witnesses. The Commit-
tee have recommended certain changes in the
Bill which are explained in detail in their
Report. I need npt go over the ground again
but I shall confine myself to a brief explana-
tion of the more important provisions of the
Bill as amended by the joint Committee.

This Bill was introduced in pursuance of

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am im*
patient because we have no opportunity to

+ Introduced with the recommendation of the President.

1 General Insurance BHADRA 6 t
\ Business

&e declared decision of Government to
Rationalise general insurance business. It will
life recalled that life insurance business' was
nationalised in 1956 and the present Bill by
nationalising general insurance business
completes the process of nationalisation of all
classes of insurance business.

I would like to say a few words about the
broad structure of the Bill. The Bill visualises
the setting up of a Government company called
the General Insurance Corporation of India
and four companies subsidiary to it. The
functions of the Corporation broadly include,
apart from carrying on general insurance
business on its own, aiding, assisting and
advising its subsidiary companies and also
exercising supervision and control over their
functioning by issuing directions to them
wherever necessary In issuing directions, the
Corporation is expected to keep in mind the
desirability of encouraging competition amon-
gst the companies as far as possibly in order
to render their services were efficient. It will
thus be seen that the Bill envisages a healthy
competition throughout the country amongst
the four subsidiary companies. The Bill
provides that each subsidiary company shall
act as far as possible on business principles.

The four subsidiary companies will be
formed by integration of the existing insurers
in India carrying on general insurance busi-
ness. Hon’ble Members will recall that under
the General Insurance (Emergency Provisions)
Act, 1971, the management of the underta-
kings of all insurers carrying on general
insurance business in India (with the exception
of the Life Insurance Corporation of India),
was taken over by Government. This take-
over was made in order to enable Government,
pending nationalisation, to carry out the neces-
sary spade work for the ultimate take-over as
visualised in the present Bill In taking over
the ownership under this Bill, two different
procedures have been adopted in the case of
various categories of insurers In the case of
each Indian insurance company (which is
defined as an insurer having a share capital
and is a company within the meaning
of the the Companies Act), the shares
are proposed to be acquired. In the case of
other insurers which include, apart from
foreign insurers, cooperative societies, mutual
insurers and L1C, what is proposed to be
acquired is the undertaking of the insurer
relating to general insurance business. The

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reason for this difference is that the latter
insurers either have no shares fn India which
can be acquired or in the case of cooperative
societies it is not desirable for Government
to acquire the shares. On the “appointed day”
the undertakings of all the latter group of
insurers will be transferred to the Central
Government and immediately thereafter to one
or the other of the Indian insurance companies.
Thereafter, the Central Government can
frame one or r lore schemes providing for the
merger of the Indian insurance companies
between themselves so that ultimately there
are only four companies (in addition to the
General Insurance Corporation) in existence
and that they are so situate as to render
their combined services effective in all parts
of India.

I would like to draw the specific attention
of Members to the following provisions in the
Bill

(1) The General Insurance Corporation
starts with a subscribed capital of
Rs. 5 crores which is required for it
to function smoothly until it begins
to receive dividends from its subsi-
diary companies,

(2) The amounts paid under section 11
for acquiring shares or undertakings,
as the case may be, will be treated
as additional contribution to the
subscribed capital of the Corporation.

(3) Although under the Genera] Insur-
ance (Emergency Provisions) Act, 1971,
the management of the general
insurance Business of LIC was not
taken over, the present Bill provides
for acquiring that undertaking (in so
far as it relates to general insurance
business) also.

(4) Some State Governments are at
present carrying on general insurance
business. They will be allowed to
continue the business to a restricted
extent, namely, in respect of proper-
ties mainly owned by them or in
which they have a substantial
final fcial interest ; but otherwise they
will be allowed to run off their
business.

All the employees of the existing insurers
whose shares or undertakings are taken over,

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(Nationalisation) BUI 224

will be transferred to tltift companies under
the new set-up and they will continue on the
same terms and conditions With regard to pay
scales, service conditions' etc. until and
unless these are changed. In this connection,
Members will recall that Government has
already set up a Committee under the Chair-
manship of Shri f K.P. Mathram to examine
the existing organisational and administrative
set-up in all the insurers and to make suitahle
recommendations for an integrated and
rationalised set-up in the future. When the
recommendations of that Committee are
recevied, naturally Government will consider
the question of having uniform service
conditions for the employees.

The Joint Committee has inserted two'new
clauses, namely, clauses 22 and 23. The
former empowers the Central Government to
transfer employees from the Corporation to
the acquiring companies or vice verse or from
one acquiring company to another if such
transfer is desirable in the best interests of
the nationalised set-up. Some fear has been
expressed that this power might be used by
the Central Government to victimise the
employees, but I can say that any such fear
is absolutely unfounded.

Clause 27 contained in the original Bill
empowering repatriation of assets of foreign
insurers has been omitted. Since the Commit-
tee felt that the matter can be regulated by
administrative orders

The Schedule to the Bill sets out the
amounts payable by Government for acquiring
the shares or the undertakings, as the case
may be, of the existing insurers. In the Bill
as introduced in this House, the total
amount involved was Rs. ?3.03 crores of
which Rs. 25.68 crores was for the Indian
insurers (including the LFC) f and Rs. 7.35
crores was for the foreign insurers.

When the joint Committee took evidence,
almost all the witnesses had something to say
about (he amounts proposed to be paid. On
the one extreme, there were some witnesses
who contended that no amount should at all
be paid for taking over the arjjment that in
the past, the shareholders or the proprietors
had already enjoyed considerable benefit fiom
the profits of the business. Thera was another
opinion — you will see this one o / the minutes
of dissent also -that the shareholders may be

paid the amount of their paid-up. capital
only. The argument apparently is that what
the Shareholders have contributed should be
returned to them and any appreciation in
values of shares, for which the society at large
has been responsible, should be returned to
the public exchequer. The third category of
opinon, which is at the dthcr extreme, conten-
ded that Tull, legal proprietory rights of the
shareholders should be respected and that
apart front' the reserves for unexpired risks
on minimum^ basis and provision for outstand-
ing claims, the balance of all the assets
should be returned to the shareholders. The
first two views mentioned above raise idealo-
gical considerations which are also very
important, however for the same reason it is
not possible for me to discuss them from the
technical angle. As regards the third, 1 must
say that it is an extreme view which cannot
stand deep scrutiny. Every insurer carrying
on general insurance business must create
additional Reserves and these reserves serve
not only as security for policyholders
but also enable the insurer to write more
business and cover more risks m the country
itself. These reserves are built out of the
premiums paid in the past by the policyhoders
and needless to say these have come out from
the margin in the premium which is always
provided directly or indirectly, to take care
of possible fluctuations in risks. Hon* ble
Members wil appreciate that if all the reserves
are paid to the erstwhile proprietors what is
left namely the bare minimum policy liabilities
will not enable the undertaking to continue
functioning on a souud, not to speak of a
strong, basis, To* my mind, the point seems
so obvious that I may be pardoned for
placing emphasis on this aspect. Neveothelcss,
I think it is necssary to draw specific attention
to this matter because a number of witnesses
argued as if Government is expropriating
what in law belongs to them, ignoring at the
same time the necessity for continuing reser-
ves m a runnning institution. We have to
remember that we are nationalising general
insurance to enable it to continue running in
future and that we are not attempting to wind
up the business and give away whatever
belongs to the erstwhile proprietors.

With regard to the amounts specified in
the Bill, it was argued in the Select Committee
that there was discrimination inter se between
Indian insurers as well as discrimnation
between Indian and foreign insurers. It was
contended that those Indian insurance com-

General Insurance bhadra 6,
Business r v

pa$es wliicji followed a conservative dividend
poffcy to order to build up a sound reserve
potation got a raw deal to comparison wifth
otttfer companies which distributed higher
dividends. As regards foreign insurers, it was
argued that the amounts specified to the
Schedule discriminated in their favbur and
that the Indian ingurersfyrhould get at least the
same treatment, if not better, as all their
assets are retained in the country. To *meet
these points, the amounts mentioned in the
Schedule were reviewed and the amounts
were increased for 31 Indian insurers. The
total amount payable to Indian insurers has
gone up from Rs. 25 68 crores to Rs. 30-70
crores. After the above changes, the amounts
in the Schedule can, of course, still be assailed
on the ground that they are generous or
inadequate depending on the political philoso-
phy of the person criticising them. But the
amounts cannot be assailed on the basis that
they are arbitrary or discriminatory as between
the Indian and foreign insurers or as among
the Indian insurers Inter se. I should add
that while arriving at these final figures given
in Schedule A and B, we have taken into
consideration arguments advanced in Select
Committee and also factors like dividend,
assets minus liability, profitability etc. so as
to ensure that there is no discrimination
between insurers.

Certain other criticisms of the Bill were
made by witnesses and these have found place
in some of the minutes of dissent. First,
there is the suggestion that there should be a
single autonomous corporation and not four
or five units. This is a matter on which a
number of representations were received by
Government even earlier, mainly from emplo-
yees unions. I may say that before drafting
the Bill, very careful consideration was given
to the suggestions received, but Government
came to the conclusion that four units com-
peting with each other throughout India
would be the best in the circumstances. The
evidence given before the Committee has not
brought out any fresh point for changing this
view.

In one minute of dissent a suggestion has
been made that the 'appointed day* should be
advanced suitably to avoid continuing to pay
management compensation, Government fully
appreciates the need for fixing the “appointed
day” as early as possible for saving payment
of management compensation. Naturally,

tm ( SAKA ) t Nationalisation ) Bill 226

we have also to take into account the time
required for the preliminary work which has
to be completed before the appointed day.
The appointed day will be fixed taking all the
various aspects into consideration. Shri
Babubhai Chinai in his minute of dissent has
suggested that the rate ofr interest on instal-
ments should be raised^ Min 4% to 12%.
When Government is ableV^borrow at 5J%
or 5£% even for long term loans I do not see
how it will be tttarect to pay 12% on the
instalments. It must be remembered that it
is not as if the interest is being paid as a
penal measure on account of delay on pay-
ment ; the law itself provides for three
annual instalments and save for the inevitable
procedural time for making payment, interest
is payable mainly for the period during
which the instalments have been spread out.
Shii Chinai has also suggested that a 51%
majority of shareholders should be empowered
to nominate a person or body to whom the
amounts payable to them can be paid. I
need only say in this connection that unless
the amount involved is substantial, little
purpose would be served by the provision and
in many cases 51% of the total amount pay-
able may not be a substantial sum.

There were suggestions from some wit-
nesses that provision should be made in the
Bill for the absorption of the employees of the
Calcutta Claims Bureau and similar organias-
tions and some of the minutes of dissent
also mention this point. I have given an
assurance in the Committee that the emp-
loyees of that Bureau and organisations of a
similar nature will be absorbed in the now
set up of the General Insurance Corporation

•With these words, l beg *o move that the
Report of the Joint Committee be taken into
consideration.

• i

MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved :

“That the Bill to provide for the acquisi-
tion and transfer of shares of Indian
insurance companies and undertakings of
other existing insurers in order to serve
better the needs of the economy by
securing tlS development of general insu-
rance business in the best interests of the
community and to ensure that the opera-
tion of tjje economic system does not
result in the concentration of wealth to
the common detriment, for the regulation

227 General Insurant* Business AUGUST 28, 1972

(Nationalisation) BUI 228

[Mr, Speaker]

and control of sO$i business and for

m°tters connected therewith or incidental

thereto, as reported by the Joint Com-
mittee, he taken into consideration. 9 *

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Now that he
has moved the Bill for consideration, i have to
make a submission.

MR. SPEAKER : He should have given
some intimation to me.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Does it mean
that from now onwards whoever wants to
raise anything should write to' you immedia-
tely and then raise it ? I have patiently
heard the Finance Minister. Now my submis-
sion is this. The Business Advisory Com-
mittee met on the 26th and decided that four
hours should be allotted for this Bill. it was
never decided that it will come up for con-
sideration today. suddenly we found day
before yesterday that this Bill is coming up
today. Because of this we could not move
our amendments. Therefore, I suggest that
we may have general consideration today and
clause-by-clause consideration tomorrow or the
day after so that wc will be able to move our
amendments. Let us have only general dis-
cussion today.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
have no objection. My only point is that
then it will be very difficult for us to pass the
Bill m the Rajya Sabha because this is the last
week. And naturally you do not want this
Bill to remain unpassed in this session.
You can give notice of your amendments even
now.

SHRI INDR AJ IT GUPTA (Alipore) :
Whatever time you choose to allow for general
discussion, that may be taken* up today. The
consideration of the elauses can be taken up
tomorrow. In the mean time, we can be
allowed to move our amendments. Otherwise,
how can we table our amendments ?

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN-
TARY AFSAIRS AND SHIVPING AND
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR):
The difficulty is that we have to get it passed
by the. Rajya Sabha. The rule about notice
for amendments can be waive/) so that they
can be moved even now. *

MR. SPEAKER: I am toW (bat a
number of amendments are there. I wit] give
another half an hour to the hop. Members
to give their amendments. Then we will
circulate them. In the meanwhile, we will
have 2 $ hours for general discussion,

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : By 4 O’
Clock ?

MR. SPEAKER : In half an hour, you
give your amendments

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : We have to
take part in this general discussion.

MR SPEAKER : As for those who take
part in the general discussion, they will be
given another IS minutes extra to give
amendments.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Let the Bill
be passed without any amendments,

MR. SPEAKER He has explained the
difficulty.

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : In the
Business Advisory Committee, we allot time
and all that. We decide what are the items
to be taken up. But the actual order of
priority is left entirely to the Government, to
the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs. Now,
suddenly, he puts on the Order Paper that it
is coming on Monday. Where is the time
to table amendments ? This is a very important
Bill.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I put it in the
List of Business for the next week that I
announced on Saturday. Yesterday being
Sunday, amendments can come even now

MR . SPEAKER : Yesterday being Sun-
day, 1 relax the time-limit and say, you
can send your amendments within half an
hour.

SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA : Say, 3 O’
Clock.

MR. SPEAKER : No question of bar-
gaining; any convenient time. All right.
Upto 3 O’ Clock. There is no hard and fast
thing about it. Yesterday being Sunday, I
am relaxing it. I am giving the reason to be
recorded so that it should not be treated as a
precedent for future.

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 230

229'^ General Insurance
r Business

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 1 may also say,
if tWo days restriction is to be strictly adhered
to fbr moving the amendments, in that case,
the Ministry should also do that two days
in advance of the Bill coming before the
House.

MR. SPEAKER : He has explained the
reason for that. That is why 1 have allowed
it. If there had been any reason not accep*
table, we could have easily postponed it.

I wgnt to say one thing more, before
we proceed with this I hope, you will not
mind. As far as the other matter about
Supplementary Demands is concerned, I have
received a letter from Shri Shyamnand&n Mis-
ti ra and also a letter from Mr. Morarji Desai
saying that the Demand for grant for rulers, of
about Rs. 20 crores or something like that,
is just mentioned and that details are not
given. I am forwarding that letter to you. I
quite agree with the reasons given in these
letters. I hope, by the time this is over, you
will be ready with those details.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA
(Begusarai) : We should not be given infor-
mation just at the time we start consider-
ing the Demands. We should be given infor-
mation in advance.

MR. SPEAKER : After all, we the House
of the People are responsible for the main
Budget. I quite agree with the reasons given.

Now, Shri Somnath Chatterjee to speak
on the General Insurance Bill.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE
(Burdwan) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have
been pleased to allow us to move the amend-
ments, we have given some of the amend-
ments and, because the time was very short,
we could not give very comprehensive amend-
ments. I hope, they will be circulated and
taken into consideration.

So far as the Bill is concerned, 1 support
the provision for nationalisation no doubt.
But some provisions which have been made in
the Bill make us ponder as to who are the
real objects of bounty. This Bill is a glaring
example that what the ruling party professes
or preaches is not being practised. The slogan
of Garibi Hatao is said to be translated
into action by surrendering crores of rupees
in favour of the business houses and mono-

polists as is provided in the Bill. We feel
that the Government by making provision
for payment of compensation or amount that
has been provided here cannot achieve social-
ism. It is nothing but pampering to the
big monopolists and big busineess houses.
Very large sums of money gre being doled
out and are being given to rich business
houses and the monopolists when the country
is suffering from Jack of resources and when
famine is staring us at the face in various
parts of the country.

13 45 hrs.

[Mr Deputy-Speaker in the Chair]

1 think, this is nothing but a surrender
to the big business interests — certain pro-
visions which have been made. We are
totally opposed to the provisions which have
been made in this Bill for payment of com-
pensation. When General Insurance (Take-
Over) Bill was discussed in the House, if the
hon. Finance Minister will recall, I had
suggested that if the management was taken
over a limited period under article 31A(2)
of the Constitution, no compensation would
be payable. The answer that was given was
that it would be a mala fide action, it would
be a colourable exercise of power ; , as the
intention was finally to nationalise general
insurance business, we should not take it over
for a limited period but we should pay com-
pensation. Precisely, that has been done now.
In the case of Indian Iron & Steel Com-
pany, it has been taken over for a limited
period for which no compensation need be
paid to it. Hon. Minister, Shri S. Mohan
Kumarmangalam has said in this House and
outside that there is no question of return-
ing the Indian Iron & Steel Company to the
former management. Therefore, in the case of
Indian Iron & Steel Company a particular type
of formula^ has been adopted . Probably Mr.
Biren Mukherjee was not in the good books
of the Government— we do* not know. But
this is the precise position For 20 months,
till 2nd January when nationalisation will be-
come effective, for 20 months a sum of Rs 6 60
crores will have been paid to the insurance
companies. For what ? For management.
They did not manage during this time ; they
had nothing to do with it ; the Cential Go-
vernment took upon itself the management,
and for not managing they will be getting Rs.
33 lakhs per month for so many months—
still a few more Wraths are left out. This
amount will come to Rs. 6.60 crores. Now

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[Shri Somnath Chatterj^

what is being done in this Bill ? The amount
which is Mng given by way of compensation
for the take-over is R$ 38.23 crores, and if
you add to it Rs. 6.60 croree, the total comes
to about Rs. 45 crores. What is the basis of
this computation ? The hon. Minister, in his
introductory speech, referred to certain vague
formula which we have not been able to
follow. (

So far as the take-over is concerned, it is
of the shares. The share-holders are going to
get the money. On what basis ? Are they
going to get the full value of their shares or
are they being given the market value of their
shares or the paid-up value of their shares ?
We do not know what is the total share-
holding of the different companies, whether
they have been given the full amount, and if
they are not being given full amount, how
will the shortfall be met. No indication has
been given. In some quarters it is said that
there arc small shareholders, there are middle
class people holding shares ; they have in-
vested a part of their savings. We do not
want that those people should suffer. They
should get back whatever they have invested
on small shareholdings in different insurance
companies. But, so far as this Bill is con-
cerned, there is no restriction. All the share-
holders will get back whatever they have
contributed or they are supposed to have
contributed. Kindly see Clause 12(2) of the
Bill. It says :

“The Corporation shall distribute the
amount paid to it under section 11, to
the share-holders of each Indian insurance
company and to each existing insurer,
who is not an Indian insurance company,
in accordance with their rights and
interests...”

But what are tho rights and interests of
shareholders ? So far as a company is con-
cerned, the contributory shareholder is entitled
to get back his amount of contribution or
a proportionate amount in the company’s
assets if the assets are not sufficient after
winding-up or dissolution^ But what is
meant by ‘rights and interests of the share-
holders' here 7 How much money will be paid
back to them ? Suppose there is a shortfall,
who will suffer ? j

Then, kindly come to clause 13. It says :

"13(1) Where the amount referred to in

section 11 is to be given— .

(a) to tht members of an Indian insu-
rance company, the amount due to
each such member shall be paid in
full, where it does not exceed twenty-
five thousand rupees, each such
member shall be paid twenty-five
thousand rupees and the balance of
the amount due to such member
shall be paid to him in three equal
annual instalments...”

We wanted to know according to the Govern-
ment’s information how many small share-
holders are there or how many share-holders
are there in this company whose shareholdings
are less then Rs. 25,000 and how many shares
have been held by the previous management
namely, the big businessmen and the mono-
poly houses who have got back their entire
money. These companies have been declaring
dividends— probably most of these companies
and most of these share-holders, these big
business houses, got back their capital by
way of dividend and other amenities they
have enjoyed. After enjoying all these years
all these monies, they are now being paid the
entire amount they have invested. I would
like the hon. Minister to explain as to what
he means by ‘in accordance with their rights
and interests as provided in clause 12(2) of
this Bill’.

We would also like to know the basis of
computation. In some cases we find— it has
also been mentioned in the minutes— that it
has been assessed on the basis of the last
three years’ profits or dividends. We do not
know how. The hon. Minister may kindly ex-
plain it. It is clouded in mystery and that is
why we are asking for this. We want to
know how far these big business houses or
monopolists are trying to take benefit of the
amount which is being paid to them.

Now, according to Art. 31C of the
Constitution and Article 51 that has been
amended by the 25tb Amendment Act, these
matters are nojlonger justiciable. Therefore,
there is no question of Art 14 being infringed
or Art 31 being infringed. The Government
have now the power. The Parliament hat the
power to bring legislation providing such
amount for which even the nature of compu-
tation need not be given. When these powers

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lore given to this Parliament to amend the
(£onstitution of India, It was bailed in all
Quarters that by taking recourse to these
provisions* the previously crippling provisions
in the Constitution of India which somehow
made the Parliament ineffective and less
effective, they were one away with and it was
now bailed and it was expected tfaat those
provisions in the Constitution should be taken
recourse to and unnecessary and unreasonable
amounts should not be paid as compensation.
What is being taken from some of these big
businessmen is being given back to them
in the form of compensation. Therefore, they
are not unhappy. They are getting licences
for new businesses. In this Bill, clause 2 of
the Bill says :

“It is hereby declared that this Act is for
giving aiTcct to the policy of the State towards
securing the principles specified in clause (c)
of Article 39 of the Constitution.”

Now the Constitution (Twentyfifth)
Amendment— you remember...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I thime every-
body remembers.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It is
better we remind ourselves from time to time
because we have got this power. But we have
not utilised it. Although this power has been
taken by us, it has not been taken recourse
to in framing this legislation. It comes under
Article 31C. It cannot be challenged under
Art 19 or 14 or 31 of the Constitution.
Therefore, why should these 38 crores of
rupees be given to these Indian companies ?
I shall come to the foreign companies later.
We find at the Joint Committee’s stage when
the deliberations were going on and probably
at the last stage sudden ly the schedule was
amended and we find the three biggest
beneficiaries are the Ruby General Insurance
Co. whose amount of compensation has been
increased by Rs. 58 lakhs, National Insurance
Co. of the JK organisation whose amount has
been increased by Rs. 25 lakhs, Indian Trade—
I believe this is a Thaper concern, whose
amoupt has been increased by Rs. 27 lakhs.
1 would like to know on what basis the
previous computations were made and how
suddenly, it was found at the last stage when
the Joint Committee was deliberating, that
these sums were inadequate and how suddenly

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these now figures have been calculated and
arrived at.

What was the mistake committed in the
earliar computation ? Why these increases
are made suddenly and significantly only in
case of some of the big business houses con-
trolling these three insurance companies ?
There have been other increases, but not
increases, comparable to the increases allowed
to these three big companies. 1 would
like to now how this calculation was made ?
What was the previous mistake ?

It is known that the foreign insurance
companies have not been building up reserves
here. They had only such assets as would be
recessary for the purpose of meeting the
risk that might come up. For all practical
purposes they have taken out their entire
profits out of the country and invested in
different foreign counties. Why these insu-
rance companies are given such huge amount
under this Bill is something which I am
unable to comprehend. What is the basis of
computation in respect of these foreign com-
panies ? This is what 1 would like to know.
Their shares are not being taken up. We
request the Minister kindly to disclose when
he replies as to why these foreign companies
have been given such huge amounts under
this Bill.

The other provision to which we have
objection relates to creation of more than one
corporation under Clause 9...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Company.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : One
Coiporation; 4 companies, I 'stand corrected ;
thank you,

Gause 9 provides that there will be a
General Insurance ^Corporation of India.
Under Clause 18, they have power to carry
or any part of the general insurance business
if it thinks desirable to do so. The scheme as it
has been indicated, and as said by the Finance
Minister in his speech, is that it is intended
to have one insurance corporation and four
different companies. The plea put forward is
the plea that they will act in healthy com-
petition. But we do not understand it. The
entire control will be vested with the Central
Government and the entire supervision will

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[Shri Spmnath Chatterjee]*

be undei the overall supervision bf the Govt,
of India because the Government of India
can give directions and they will be obliged
to carry on those directions* The Act entitled
them to give such directions. Therefore,
where is the point of 'healthy competition’
being exercised arfibng different Government
bodies themselves 7 It is a question of
approach. It is a question of seeing how far
the huge resources of general insurance can
be made available in the public interest, What
will be the basis of competition ? Will there
be any under-cutting of premium rates, etc ?
What is the sort of competition that is thought
of in general insurance business among differ*
ent companies that are intended to be set
up ? This remains completely vague. If they
had made a pravision saying defferent types of
insurance will be taken up by different
companies I would have understood that

When this subject was discussed last
year, Mr. Chavan in his reply, said 1 quote
him.

“General insurance will break new groun-
ds. see some new horizons and try to
serve more social abojectives. General
insurance business would not only confine
itself to commerce and industry but they
would expand their acti\ities to other
social purposes."

We are yet to see what expansion has been
made here ; we are yet to see what social
objectives we have been able to achieve
after the general insurance business was taken
over in last June.

We are asking for diversification of gene-
ral insurance. We are asking for unemploy-
ment insurance. We are asking for crop
insurance. We are asking for other social
security insurance for ordinary people. No-
thing is being done. By the creafjon of four
companies and another insurance corpora-
tion, you are not going to* make for healthy
competition. There are apprehensions that
this is really made to make divisions in the
ranks of labour, to make them feel as if they
are employees of different capitalist-controlled
organisations. Otherwise, there is no ratio-
nal busis for the formation of thele compa-
nies.

14.00 hrs. j

Now, I come to clause 22 undfr which
power is sought to be taken by the Central

Government to transfer any officer or emplo*
yee from one company to another. This is
a rather surprising provision which Is being
made. There is a great deal of apprehension
amongst the emyloyees and the staff that this
will be used for the purpose of victimisation
and not for any bona fide purposes. The
Central Government will not be the employer
of the employees and the staff. They will be
either the employees of the Central Insurance
Corporation of India or of these companies
which are described as acquiring companies.
Why should the Central Government take
power in their hands to transfer any officer or
employee from one company to another ?
This is an instance, 1 submit, which shows an
attitude of keeping the employees and staff
under the control of the Government and not
of the employers under whom they will be
serving There is no rational basis for this,
and, therefore, we are objecting to this
clause.

We have tabled amendments to some of
clauses, and one of the mam amendments
that we are suggesting is...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him
not refer to the amendments at this stage.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : We
shall be suggesting that there should be radi-
cal change in the provisions made in clause
11 ..

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He can
speak on it when that amendement comes
up.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :...of
the Bill which deals with the payment of
compensation.

I have almost finished, but there is one
matter on which I would like to say a word...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The time
allotted to him is also finished.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I
must thank the hon. Minister for repeating
the assurance which he has been giving in
the past also, of absorbing the employees of
the Calcutta Claims Bureu and other allied
organisations.

Finally, I have just one word to say about

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Business

t$e scheme which may be framed for rationa-
lisation or revision of pay scales, under clause
16, We submit that in the name of rationali-
sation, there should' not be any scheme drawn
up which will either mean that any employees
or staff will become surplus or their service
conditions will be changed to thier disadvan-
tage.

With these words, I am supporting the
principle of nationalisation which has been
adopted in this Bill, but we are strongly oppo-
sing the quantum of compensation that has
been fixed in this Bill,

SHRIN.K.P. SALVE (Bctul) ; As to
the laudability of the objectives of this legis-
lation, there could hardly be much debate
or dispute. In fact, my regret is that this
measure has come a little too late in the day.
There hardly was any warrant for us to have
waited for nearly sixteen years to
nalionalise general issurance after we
had nationalised life insurance. It has
been a very unfortunate phenomenon
that the general insurance in the hands of the
private sector was subjected to various types
of malpractices, frauds and manipulations,
which were by themselves very strong grounds
why Government should have intervened and
taken over this business. But I have heard
a very vocal and vociferous criticism ‘Why are
Government getting into this very very small
field of general insurance, when they such have
a large and wide field ?’

SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHARYYA
(Ghatal) : There is no quorum in the
House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER You con-
tinue until I ask you to stop.

SHRI N.K.P. SALVE : I was referring
to some criticisms being levelled against this
legislation, about the necessity and justifica-
tion of this...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no
quorum. Let the bell be rung— Now there
is quorum. He may continue.

SHRI N.K.P. SALVE : I was submitt-
ing that the various undersirable practices in
which general business was enveloped and
embroiled were themselves a sufficient cause

for Government to take over the entire
business. But there are very many other
reasons why it bas been taken over,

I have heard the criticism levelled against
Government as to why Government have
nationalised general insurance which, is small
field in which the private insurance compa-
nies could have catered to the requirements
of the policyholders [more efficiently and
much better than what Government could
do. Another criticism levelled was that
already the LIC in the Oriental General
Insurance unit which is government-owned
was in general insurance ; why should
Government thereafter expand its field of acti-
vities and create a monopoly ? The answer
is very simple : general insurance constitutes
the very hard core, the infrastructure of our
economy, and if we want to strengthen, im-
prove and stabilise our economy, it is im-
possible that we leave general insurance out-
side government control. In fact, we realised
this long ago ; we are implementing it today.
It only means that we are vigorously follow-
ing our avowed policy, namely, that we want
growth and development of our economy
together with principles of social justice which
are inherent in divesting vested interests who
had exploited general insurance to aggrandize
their personal interests.

The most controversial provision in this
legislation appears to be that on compen-
sation... The Finance Minister has, unfortu-
nately, gone away ; I do hope the junior
Minister, an extremely able person in this
matter will kindly take note of what 1 have
to say. Wjih the deepest regrest 1 must
submit that I must join the critics who have
criticised the clause on compensation. The
Finance Minister has said that some people
have said that it is either generous or meagre,
according to the political philosophy they
propagate. It may or may not be correct.
But it is an oversimplification of the matter.
If they are doing it as a matter of political
philosophy, may I ask what philosophy has
the Finance Minister followed ? It is easy to
say that they say it is generous or it is mea-
gre, but kindly explain to us the rationale
which I am unable to understand. The Minis-
ter was absolutely right when he said that
reserves could not be paid to shareholders.
One thing has to .be understood. General
insurance is neat e capital-intensive industry ;
it is an industry in which one is paid for

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rendition of certain services and covering
risks. It is the policyhokjBps who have been
squeezed right, left and centre, in season and
out of season — mostly out Of season. I am
sure you, Sir, are a policyholder and you
must be aware of how these general insurance
people have been dealing with people. They
have been undercutting one another and deal-
ing under the table in various modes and
manners.

At any rate, the demand for payment of
reserves was an utter absurdity and therefore,
if the rationals is negatively explained by the
Finance Minister, as to why we did not want
to pay either with reference to the net assets
or with reference to reserves, one can under-
stand, because non-payment of reserves is one
thing. Let him explain. I am one of those
who is a little conversant with the principles
of law of eminent domain connected with the
compensation to be paid by the Government
on acquisation of properties One can under-
stand if a successoi is going to pay for the
reserve, his financial position is certainly going
to be weaker than that of the predecessor.
The successor can never pay for the reserve
without crippling his own financial position.

Surely, we do not want the Government
corporation to be weaker than those insurance
companies which were so far doing the busi-
ness. So far so good. But may I know what
is the rationale, what is (he justification, for
paying compensation related to dividends ?
This is the most irrational, speculative, un-
justified method of paying compensation May
I know what is the reason for increasing' it
from 33 to 38 crores. It can be increased to
any figure ? The most rational of dissent that
I am seeing is the dissent of Mr. S.M, Baner-
jee and others who are firstly 'objecting to the
payment of compensation at all. In a thing
like this, I am not trying to superimpose my
political philosophy. Looking into the matter
objectively, as a technocrat would like to go
into it, first ascertain how much the share
holders have already been given all these
years ? It is really the poijpy- holders who
have been squeezed all these days. If there
is any relief to be given, give relief to the
actual policyholders. Why are you giving it
to the shareholders 7 The shareholders are
monied people. What is thc (i use of taking
shelter under the fact that they are middle

income-group people or that they aid poor
people 7 Nothing can be more fallacious or
misleading than this to say that poor people
are holding shares in the general xnsuranee
companies. I do not think you hold a share
in a general insurance company : I do not
hold a share in the general insurance com-
panies ( Interruption ) You have yet to
know. Therefore, I submit that this compen-
sation is very irrational. The Finance Minister
does not want to superimpose his own political
philosophy and he does not want to call it
generous or he does not want to call it meagre,
either. But if he then wants to call it rational,
let him explain it to us. Why are you raising
it from 33 to 38 crores ? There is a doubt
cast on us that we have done it under pressure.
I want to make it clear that this is not the
government which is going to work under any
pressure. Irrational it may be there, but
this Government is never going to work under
any pressure. Do not remain under this
illusion that there will be any pressure
as such.

Therefore, I do expect that the Finance
Minister would have a good look at this com-
pensation business ; even now it is not too
late to amend it. What is wrong with the
suggestion made, namely, just pay the share-
holders what they invested ; the nominal value
of the share provided there is no outstanding
debit balance in the balance-sheet in the
profit and loss account, unless capital is
already wiped out or frittered away by some
other people. I know in some general insurance
companies the profit and loss account shows a
huge debit balance ; that means the capital
has been wiped out. As has been rightly
pointed out by one of the hon. Members, as a
result of this irrational compensation, one
company gets seven per cent of the net assets
and another company gets 88 per cent. Why
this unconscious patronage to one and why
this unconscious disfavour to another 7 I have
no doubt in my mind that this is not done
with a view to extending favours to anybody
nor is it done with an intent of victimising
anybody. But I think, purely, some bureaucrat
got it into his head and bereft of any sense,
bereft of any idea, bereft of the knowledge of
principles of eminent domain, he might have
prepared it and it has been accepted.

Therefore, I submit to the Finance Minister
for his consideration— he is not here and his
junior is here —that he should explain to us
the rationale of the huge compensation,, Do

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ist tty to lake us for granted, or do not take
^s for a ride in this. You must determine as
10 what is the rational basis. 1 personally
fipel that Rs. 38 crores is plenty of money to
be paid for the nationalisation of general
insurance companies.

So far as foreign insurance companies are
concerned, where is the warrant for this type
of payment ? Have the Government under-
stood what is the manipulation of foreign
insurance companies ? Have they known that
year after year, an amount was credited in
the profit and loss account and the balance-
sheet of the foreign companies crediting foreign
head office for apportionable expenses
which incurred in the head office which
never in reality were incurred for Indian
office and all thoso are accepted as liability
and are to be duly paid ? All this has not
been looked into. The foreign companies
have been definitely shown much greater
preference than the Indian companies. 1 do
not for a moment want to impute that delibe-
rately foreign companies were chosen for such
favours, but inadvertently these favours have
gone to the foreign companies.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Is that under
pressure ?

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Therefore I hope
that this provision of compensation is duly
looked into.

Finally there is only one point I want to
make. We are anxious that all the public
sector enterprises must make a tremendous
success in this country, for unless that is done
the future is extremely bleak for our economy.
If the future is bleak for our economy, it will
be a tragic day for our parliamentary demo-
cracy. Day after day we are watching with
very great disconcert the performance of our
public sector undertaking. In that respect I
want to point out that the Life Insurance
Corporation has been a miserable flop.

I myself wanted to raise a loan against
my land. For month after month nothing
would move. One day news reached me that ;
if you qre willing to pay a few thousand
rupees, expeditiously the matter will be put
through. It was an amazing experience for
me : someone coming and telling me the local
man has taken a vow as it were, unless his
palms are greased nothing will move further.

I said : Never mind if I do not get a loan, I
have never had a house of my own and I will
not have one hereafter : but I would not do
anything of the sort.

Thereafter, I spoke of the matter to the
Prime Minister, the then Finance Minister,
who spoke to the Secretary Concerned. There-
after it took three month for' me to get sanc-
tion and another three months before a letter
came that the Jcfen is now available. I said :
you keep the loan with you ; I do not want
house ; I do not want loan.

In general insurance you will be dealing
with a large many people who may not be
able to go to the Prime Minister or to the
charming Deputy-Minister of Finance and
it will be- so difficult for these people. Suppos-
ing an accident takes place. God forbid,
somewhere ; and a claim is asked for ; and is
paid not to the daimant, not to his son or
grandson but to the great grandson, I do
not know what will be the plight.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If Members
want to talk they can go to the Lobby and
talk. Why disturb the House ? I was being
disconcerted by the talk on my left hand side.

SHRI N K. P. SALVE : Inefficiency and
corruption in this particular Corporation are
two things to which I am sure particular
attention will have to be paid. Any complaint
coming from any one, I am sure, will be pro-
perly attended to. I really do hope that the
provision regarding compensation would be
properly rationalised and I wish god speed and
plenty of luck to the corporation and to the
Finance Minister.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) :
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, this is the first instance,
since we amended article 25 of a statute pro-
viding the terms and conditions of an act u al
act of nationalisation, Pam sure not only t he
people outside Parliament but also Members
of the ruling party, one of whom has just
spoken-I am not surprised at what he said
because he is familiar with the insurance
business-will regard it as a big anti-climax to
the hopes that fcave been aroused, assurances
that had been given and the enthusiasm j which
had been generated, rightly, in this coun ry for
those constitutional amendments wh.&hwere
all very strongly supported by all of us but
have brought fbrth the proverbial mouse.

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[Shri Indrajit Gupta] ,

What was the point ' : of substituting the
word compensation by tfte word •amount* ?
Was it simply this that in all cases we are not
obliged to pay the market value as compensa-
tion ? Was that the only significance and the
only meaning of that amendment ? The ques-
tion whether to pay market value or not pay
market value arose because of certain confron-
tation which we had with the Supreme Court
but if you go through the recofds of the debate
in this House at the time when (he amending
Bill was brought before the House and read
what the hon. Ministers, not one but several
of them including some legal luminaries, spoke,
the spirit of the thing was that if this country
is to go ahead, if we are to take radical
measures which are really to bring the maxi-
mum benefit for the largest section of people in
our country, then increasingly resources will
have to be generated and will have to be
mobilised. It is impossible in our country and
in the state of our economy to mobilise such
resources unless we resort to nationalisation at
a cost which will be bearable by this country,
not at a cost which is both intolerable and
unbearable.

Now, if we find that in this general in-
surance take-over, a sum of Rs. 38.23 crores
is being prescribed as compensation, it only
means, as far as I can see it, that the whole
spirit behind the 25th Amendment and amend-
ment of article 31, which were accepted in a
particular way by the people of this country
and which roused such great hopes in their
minds, that spirit has been given or is being
tried to be given, a quiet burial here today by
the Govenmcnt. That spirit is being destroyed
already on the very first occasion when it is
being put to test.

In 1956, when companies dealing with life
insurance were nationalised, and the Life
Insurance Corporation was set up, a com-
pensation of Rs. 5 crores was paid to 256
companies. Today after so many years, after
so much talk of socialism and radical measures
and radical reforms, after the huge mandate
given to the Prime Minister on the basis of her
assurances, not only assurances but on the
basis of the concrete steps of Ahich I consider
these constitutional amendments to be really
historic, after all this, what do we find ? 107
companies* Indian and foreign, dealing in
general insurance business, a^e to be paid
Rs. 3$<23 crores as compared to Rs. 5 crores

paid to 256 companies in 1956, Already
these companies, as my friend Mr* Cftatterjee
pointed out, since the 1 3th May* 1971 when the
management was taken over* have been paid
at the rate of Rs. 33 lakhs per month* simply
for acquisition of management, which was not
a constitutional obligation whatsoever on this
government. There is nothing laid down in
the Constitution that even a pie of compensa-
tion has to be paid for a take-over of manage-
ment. Nevertheless, this Government provided
for Rs. 33 lakhs per month to these companies
simply for taking over the management. That
has gone on for the last 15 months and may
go on, as far as I can judge, till the end of
this year, because we do not know what the
appointed day is going to be. If we calculate
the whole amount plus the amount suggested
to be given to them in this Bill, it comes to
something like Rs, 45 crores.

These general insurance companies have a
paid-up capital, including ,the bonus shares
floated by them from time to time, of
Rs. 12 to 13 crores. I hope the Deputy
Minister will confirm these figures. Their
total assets are now Rs. 240 crores
including of course, the statutory reserves
which they are compelled to keep out of the
premium The annual premium is something
like Rs. 125 crores. All this on a paid-up
capital of Rs. 12 to 13 crores. Now this
enormous amount of money is again being
proposed to be doled out to these people and
the burden will have to be borne as usual by
the common people of this country.

What was the object of bringing forward
those amendments ? Was it simply to bluff
the people, an act of hyprocisy ? Therefore,
I would like to ask the same question
which the speakers who proceed me,
including Shri Salve, asked, even at this
penultimate stage of passing this Bill is the
Government going to take this House into
confidence or not as to what is the wbcle
basis, the raison (Tetre of the calculation of
this figure. An extraordinary thing has taken
place. I have talked to several members of
the Select Committee, to whom this Bill was
referred, because I wanted to know how these
figures were calculated I found that the mem-
bers of the Select Committee, you will excuse
me for saying so, they were as much in the
dark as I am. Then I asked the Chairman of
the Select Committee the basis on which these
figures have been worked out* how Rs, 5

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4*ores were arrived at which was increased,
i TCgret to say that he could not give any
Basis and he directed me to the bon. Minister,
Tam not able to follow this kind of function-
ing of the government,

Shri Salve, having made some very obvious
criticisms on this point, which even he could
not resist, of course then suddenly it occurred
to him that he is a member of the ruling party
he fired off a big demagogic reminder here to
us on this side of the House that this govern-
never acts under pressure. He says that the
government has not acted under pressure and
yet he is not prepared to explain what is the
basis of these figures. Then where do we go to
from here ? Everybody knows that pressure
was brought to bear on government. Every-
body knows that Shri J. R. D. Tata and other
people have approached the government. Of
course, the Chairman of the Select Com-
mittee came before us in a formal way
asking for further time, extension of time
for another three week?, for submitting the
report. During three weeks it was suddenly
heard in all quartets that the compensation
figure for the Indian companies is going to be
increased because they have complained of
discrimination between them and the foreign
companies. The ground of discrimination,
according to them, was that in the case of
foreign companies the compensation was
calculated on the basis of their profits, which
1 suppose they have repatriated, whereas in
the case of Indian companies the compensation
was calculated on the basis of their declared
dividends. Therefore, the Indian companies
said “if we had known previously that you
were going to calculate our compensation on
the basis of the declared dividend, we would
have declared much higher diviends during the
last few years”. So, we have been cheated,
we have been hoodwinked by the government
taking the basis of dividend for calculation of
compensation. If that is the argument that
impelled the government to take this step,
for fear of this being struck down on
the ground of discrimination by the
courts, then will the Minister kindly explain
to this House how by increasing the Indian
companies 9 share by Rs. 5 crores and odd this
point of discrimination has been removed ?
They must satisfy us on this point even on
the basis of their own argument.

We consider this to be the most uncon-
scionable measure. There was no justification

whatsoever for coming forward to propose
giving Rs. 45 crores as compensation to
these companies. Everybody knows
even Shri Salve has admitted it that big
business houses hold big blocks of shares in
these insurance companies. This is a particular
industry in which the common pattern of
shareholding does not prevail. The common
pattern of shareholding in public limited
companies is a very large number of small
shareholders holding a small amount of
shares. The general insurance companies is
a peculiar business in which the pattern of
shareholding is characterised by the fact that
the great bulk of shares are held in big
blocks by big business houses. The number
of smaller share-holders— I do not say,
there are none; there are some is relatively
much fewer in this particular industry.
Therefore, the beneficiaries from this huge
amount of compensation are going to be
merely these big business houses

Sir, as I said earlier, there has been do
time unfortunately by the way the Minister
of Parliamentary Affairs has arranged the
business ; there has been no time for us to
draft detailed amendments. Otherwise, this
whole scheme of compensation given in the
Schedule, in our opinion, should be deleted
and should be scrapped. If you want to give
compensation, a token amount should be
given or can be given with the sole object of
Safeguarding the bona fice interest of smaller
share-holders. That could have been discussed,
A ceiling could have been fixed that share-
holders whose share-holding is upto a certan
value, are to be compensated upto a certain
percentage and, as the value of the share-
holding goes up, the rate of compensation
should come down steeply and, above a
certain levele. there should be no compensation
whatsoever. Fat dividends have been earned
by big share-holders over the years which are
far in excess of the paid-up capital or whatever
they have invested in* these Companies in
buying shares.

I would like to know from the Government
which is heading towards socialism and, day
in and day out, are talking of socialism, to
please explain* to us that is their scheme of
nationalisation for the future. Take this
opportunity.

This is your first test that you are having
to pass here in the eyes of the people. Kindly
tell us that. Because in future, all those Bills

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will be coming, one by one, where the manage-
ments have been taken ovejr, The nationalisa-
tion Bills will come in future. Please tell us
what is the theory and philosophy of nationa-
lisation. How do you propose to do it as far
as the compensation structure goes ? If you
are going to go on burdening the people of
this country and the economy of this country
with these huge amounts, them please explain
to us why the Constitution was amended.
Was it simply to catch votes? Were you
serious about it ? Do you think the economy
of this country can bear such enormous
compensation?

So, we are totally opposed to the scheme
suggested here and I have to say that the
Government is, once again back to where it
started from. On this issue, they will have
to prove to the people all over again, whether
they are in the remotest way serious or not
about carrying out any radical reforms in this
country which they cannot do without resour-
ces, which resources were supposed to be
mobilised through the very technique of
nationalisation and now, in fact, we find that
probably we are going to pay out more than
we are going to acquire.

I am also to say, with regard to the
multiple set-up which is visualised, one Corpo-
ration and four Companies, in the name of
efficiency, in the name of competition, I am
warning the Government that this will ultima-
tely help only those people who are out to
malign the public sector and discredit the public
sector. In the case of general insurance, the
beneficiaries from this structure that you are
proposing will be the big business housec,
who are the main people who go in for general
insurance, who insure their business, who
insure goods, everything. They are the main
insurers. They are the people i$ho will benefit.
You have surrendered to the constant pro-
paganda drive of the private sector. It is
always saying that the public sector is in
losses, the public sector is inefficient, because
it believes in a monolithic set-up. These huge
monolithic public sector corporations, accor-
ding to them, are the main ^ause of the
public sector being a failure, in the sense that
they make losses or are not very efficient.

Therefore, succumbing to that pressure, the
Government has this time taken a new step ;
they are nationalising an industry but instead

of keeping it within one centralised corpo*
ration, in the name of the private sectors
slogans of competition, the holy right of
competition and efficiency, they have suggested
one corporation and four companies. The
other speakers have raised their doubts. I do
not want to dilate on this point. Are you
going to have different rates of premium, I
want to know ? What is this element of com-
petition ? So far as I know, the rates of
premium are going to be uniform ; there are
not going to be different rates of premium.
Then what is the competition going to take
place in and how ? That means, you are
instigating people, you are instigating those in
charge of these new companies, the field
agents who will be working under the com-
panies, to resort to all sorts of illegal
practices. There is no other way. One is to
allow fictitious claims ; if fictitious claims
are allowed freely, more people will come
and insure with that company. If you allow
different typs of rebates, illegal rebates, then
you can attract more people. Is that why
you are having these four separate companies ?
This will lead to much more violation by
this public sector concern itself of the
restrictive provisions of the Insurance Act
and the code of conduct. Even now, allega-
tions have been made that Jupiter and New
India have been indulging in all these illegal
rebates. This is the most extraordinary thing
that we have ever heard from the votaries of
the public sector that, in the name of com-
petition and in the name of efficiency, four
or five different companies are to operate in
the same field, overlapping with each other ;
they cannot under-sell or under-cut each other
because the premium rates are to be uni-
form, but they have to show results so that
they can please Mr. Chavan. The executives
of these separate companies, whoever will
show higher profit, will get kudo 3 . But how
cao he show higher profit ? He cannot quote
lower premium rates. The only way he can
do is by illegal practices, illegal rebates,
allowing fictitious claims to be entertained,
violating the restrictive laws and so on,

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He may
please conclude.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Please allow
me one or two minutes more, Sir.

There are going to be five sets of execu-
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th# four companies. Instead of one set of exe-
cutives, there will be five sets of executives,
A huge expenditure will have to be incurred
on advertisement, advertising against each
other competition against each other ; there
will be overlapping of operations. Therefore,
we feel that the whole system that they are
suggesting is going to bring this to grief and
the only people who will profit out of it are
going to be those who are enemies of the
public sector. What was required was sound
management, decentralisation of powers to
regional offices and so on, and associating
the employees with the management ; this
would have made the working of this one
corporation sound. Instead of that, they are
trying to split it into so many.

I am very glad that the Minister has
once again reiterated on the floor his firm
assurance that the employees of the Calcutta
Claims Bureau will be absorbed, though I
am still not able to understand why a suit-
able provision could not be incorporated in
the Bill itself, is not only Calcutta Claims
Bureau, there also are similar organisations like
the Fire Salvage Association in Bombay and
some others. I hope, this assurance given
will extend to the employees of those orga-
nisations also which arc managed and whose
expenses are borne by the insurance com-
panies themselves for their own benefit.

Finally, I come to standardisation of
wages, salaries, service conditions, gratuity,
pension, etc. Here in this Bill, as it is, what
is said is that, from time to time, if the Go-
vernment with its controlling powers so desire,
they can bring about certain changes. But
what I would like to ask is this. When he
replies, he may please tell us. You probably
cannot have separate rates of premia for
different companies But are you going to
allow different rates of salaries, wages and
service conditions for the employees in one
corporation and in the four companies.
Having done that, you must then either put
in the Bill or tell us here in the House how
you propose to bring about uniform standar-
disation so as to achieve a contented efficient
labour force. Naturally, that standardisation
will have to be done at the highest existing
level. It is dot as if the standardisation wiif
be done at the lower level than those are
prevailing at the present time. But, if com-
petition is to be the criterion of the success
of these companies, then, I am afraid that

even in the matter of emoluments, service
conditions, wages, salaries, etc, the manage-
ments of these different companies in the
public sector will try, if I may say so, to
undercut each other and instead of having a
contented labour force, you will have the very
opposite.

Therefore, I would say that we are totally
opposed to the manner in which this is being
done. We were tne firmest supporters, we are
still the firmest supporters, of the whole idea
of nationalisation and take-over of these
general insurance companies. But the way it
is being done shows that they have surren-
dered completely to the philosophy of the
private sector as if they are on the defensive,
'Yes, yes, wc are not efficient as we should be.
So, we shall allow the public sector concerns
to compete with each other amongst our-
selves’.

Lastly, as I was saying, what is going to
happen is that the enemies of the public
sector are the only people who are going to
benefit by this and you are going to encourage
illegal practices, you are going to encourage
illegal rebates, you are going to encourage
fictitious claims being admitted. Otherwise,
there is no element of competition possible
since the premium rates are uniform.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupuzha) :

I am very strong supporter of nationalisation
of sectors like insurance and banking, and
I must confess to a feeling of disappointment
on the total picture that has emerged from
out of the Bill which has been psssed by the
Select Committee.

' I may frankly submit that I am more or
less in agreement with certain notes of dissent
that have been appended to the Bill. There are
three important sectors as far as the scheme
is concerned. One is tj le compensation (2)
Structure and (3) Industrial relations picture.

With regard to compensation, the ques-
tion is one of very fundamental importance.
As was pointed out by my hon friends on the
opposite, after Jjie amendment of the Consti-
tution with regard to the compensation ques-
tion, this, I think, is the first attempt we are
going to reduce into actual from our concept
in regard to compensation whenever we
nationalise any concern. There are two
matters of fundamental importance with res-

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peel to this. One is #fmt exactly is the
criterion for fixing the compensation. No. 2—
When nationalising concerns like this gene-
ral insurance, what exactly is the quantum of
compensation that we* are considering as
adequate. The Pdtfliamenf is exercising a very
important function when we spell out what
exactly is the amount of compensation to be
given. This function, the cdirts were former-
ly permitted to discharge. We have now taken
over that function. When we take over that
function, we have got to do it with a certain
measure of rationality and not arbitrarily. This
House, when it spells out a particular amount
as compensation, must know and must be
told as to what exactly is the criterion for
fixing it.' As could be evident from the report
of the Select Committee, no effort was made
at any stage, it seems, to give an explanation
as to how particular amounts were arrived at .
To me, this seems a gross act of omission on
the part of this Parliament. The Parliament,
to pass a Bill, spelling out a particular
amount as the amount of compen-
sation, without knowing as to how that
amount was arrived at, will certainly be
failing in the matter of discharging a very
basic responsibility that the Parliament has
taken over.

The Government should have told us as to
how they arrived at these figures. They have
not cared to tell us the particulars about
that. I want to place on record my feelings of
reservations and objection and even, a feeling
of agony, in having to say that this must
be tbe law of the land, without knowing what
I am to vote.

Number two, Sir, the amount of compen-
sation has to be spelt out. Nationalisation is
going to be the basis of the structure of our
society, so far as the future is concerned. It
has got to expand further and further. That
has to be done, consistent with the capacity
of this country. Nationalisation on the basis
of market value was not what was objected to.
What exactly is the amount th*t we are prac-
tically giving 7 What exactly are the assets
that we have in view ? Is it the paid-up value
that we have in view, or is it the fixed asets
that we have got in view ? Or, is it the
investment which they have made in certain
shares that we have got in view ? Or, is it the

profitability of the ooncern that we have In
view 7 What exactly are the spaciflc matters
which we have got in view ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : All
the factors.

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Possibly all
matters,— -all right. But why this has not been
spelt out ? Anyway, I will leave it at that.

Coming to the question 'amount’ they say,
they must be compensated this way or that
way. The lion. Finance Minister told us ear-
lier that there was a criticism that there was
discrimination as between the Indian com-
pany and the foreign company. To avoid
that criticism the Indian eompany was given
a little more and the discrimination element
has been taken away. The discrimination
element could have been taken away in another
manner also, bringing down the compensation
of foreign companies. That is not what is
is done. That is, what they have done is, they
have added on to the Indian companies more
of compensation That is not the only way
in which discrimination can be avoided.
They have got certain fixed assets. They say
'book value' of the shares. Book value on
what basis ? Is it really their acquisition ?
Suppose a particular building was built JO or
15 or 20 years ago. Naturally, the value is
inflated today. But that is not their contri-
bution. Based on that the compensation
given should not go to the benefit of these
people. Their, paid-up capital and other
amounts together come to about Rs. 22 crores,
according to a report in the Economic
Times , but a larger amount is now being
awarded.

The point I am emphasising is, it will not
be fair to keep this Parliament in the dark as
to how specific amounts have been arrived
at, a function which judiciary was discharging
when we took over. This Parliament must be
told as to how we are asked to say that this
is the amount which is to be paid. I don’t
say that we must do expropriation ; that is
not what we are pleading for. What We are
pleading for js that we must have couiage
and we must go ahead with certain crash
programmes. Unless we have full nationalise*

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risk it wiU have no value at all* but if this
is the policy underlying nationalisation, I
would rather say, let us have no nationalisa-
tion at all.

Then again, certain shareholders together
passed a resolution and you hand over all the
money to them, solely and completely, so
that other business may be started, may not
be in the insurance field, but something else.
There is no proper guideline about it, no direc-
tion about it That amount they decide for you
to hand it over. It is not as though compensation
goes to the individual shareholder. Of course,

I do not ignore the fact that the individual
shareholder has got the option to say : I
must have the money back. But why should
he create a condition in which the money
must always go to a particular coterie to do
a particular type of business as per their
choice without our guidance 7 This is another
aspect which I want to emphasise.

Much has been said about the four com-
panies which we have visualised. But the
hon. Finance Minister may kindly explain to
us why this corporation cannot function as a
single solid corporation. Competition is not
an explanation for that. After all, general
insurance business is not such a large-scale
business. So, I do not really understand the
rationale about it. There is nothing funda-
mental about that. Nevertheless, why these
four-companies-scheme must be there is a
matter which deserver to be further explains.

There is one more matter about indus-
trial relations and the workers etc. Govern-
ment have taken over the authority and
power to transfer workers from one State to
the other. These employees will remain
employees of the corporation, according to
the scheme. But the Government have taken
over power to transfer them Only the
employer can have that power. This is a
very extraordinary power that Government
have taken over to transfer a person who is
not an employee of the Government. They
cannot have it both ways. Either, the
worker must be an employee of the Govern-
ment or he must not be their employee. If
he is their employee, automatically they have
got the right to transfer. If he is not their
employee, then they cannot have the right to
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that person. That is an extraordinary power,
and I do not really understand that. If the
Corporation can be the employer, then the
Corporation can transfer the person. Four
companies are being visualised, and they can
transfer these employees from place to
place because there are the employers. But
for Government to say in ong voice that these
people are not their employees and to say in
another voice that they will still assume the
power to transfer these employees from place
to place is a position which I just cannot
understand at all. How far even constitu-
tionally it will stand muster is a matter
which will have to be gone into. This is a
fundamental departure from the industrial law
that we are used to.

These are observations and reservations
which I have got to make about this General
Insurance Nationalisation Bill. As I said in
the beginning, I shall repeat that our
approach io this matter will have to be an
approach for the restructuring of society, for
completely recasting the fabric of society ;
and we should not be mindful and over-
solicitous about the little loss that the man
who has invested some money somewhere is
going to suffer. If that over-solicitude is going
to be the motivation which is governing us,
then, of course, taking way and redistribution
is a process which we cannot at all do.

When the Constitution Amendment Bill
was moved here, people were taking about
expropriation justice, just and fair compensa-
tion and so on, and I remember the Prime
Minister asking a straight question. ‘But what
about the compensation for the people who
are being exploited ? What about the ex-
ploitation of the people who work but who
do not get wages ? Think about that compensa-
tion and not about the other compensation*.

• B

The underlying spir^ of this Bill is an
over-solicitude to give compensation in such a
manner as not to make the persons to be
compensated nervous. That over-solicitude
is dangerous. If that over-solicitude is going
to be the motivation, then, let us talk less
about restructuring the society, because we
are attempting something which with that
mental motivaiion will prove to be absolutely
impossible.

Sir, I take this Bill as an indication and

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as a pointer. Taking 4ihis as an indication
and as a pointer, feel sad and I do want raise
my voice of warning that if this is the attempt
and if this is the policy, then we would rather
say ‘Garibi Hatao to the winds*. Nevertheless,

1 support this Bill.

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi-
wash) : That is the comedy. ^

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSH I (Shaja-
pur) ; He has made his conscience clear,

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
This is party democracy.

SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN (Gobichetti-
palayam) : Hon, Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir,
on behalf my party, the Dravida Munnetra
Kazhagam, I extend my . . .

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do not want to speak, I would call another
member (Interruptions)

*SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN (Gobichetti-
palayam) : Hon. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir,
pn behalf of my party$ the Dravida
Munnetra Kazhagam, I would like to extend
my general support to the General Insurance
Business (Nationalisation) Bill. I say that I

generally welcome the Bill, which means I
generally welcome the principle of this BflK
But I cannot extend my wholehearted support
because ihe provisions of the Bill run counter
to the professed objective of the Government
to endeavour earnestly for the establishment
of egalitarian society in the country. I
repeat that the provisions of the Bill are not
going to help in establishing socialistic pattern
of society in the country. In particular. I
condemn with ail the force at my command
the provision for the payment of Rs. 38.23
crores as compensation to 107 General
Insurance Companies. You know, Sir, that
mine is not the solitary voice of condemna-
tion from the Dravida Munnetra Kozhagam.
Even the Members belonging to the ruling
party, who have so far participated in the
discussion, have vehemently opposed this
provision for the payment of compensation,
My hon. friend from the ruling party, Shri
Stephen, raised a very pertinent question — If'
it is the intention of the Government to pay
such a huge sum of Rs. 38.23 crores as
compensation, will it be proper for this House
to give its approval for this Bill containing
this provision ? He expressed his unequivo-
cal opposition to this provision in the strong-
est possible terms.

With a view to curbing the undue growth
of monopolistic and capitalistic tendencies m
our industrial development, with a view to
arresting the growth of concentration of
wealth m a few hands, the nationalisation of
core industries which contribute greatly to the
economic development of the country, which
enable the economy to move on au even keei,
is resorted to. This is the basic and primrir y
step in our objective of establishing socia-
listic pattern of society in our country. If
you ask the question whether this objective
is possible of achievement through this measure,
you will find that the answer is in the
negative.

I would like to refer to the most disturb-
ing phenomenon in this Bill. In 1956, when
the life insurance business was nationalised,
256 eompanies doing life insurance business
were given Rs 5 crores as compensation.
Now, 16 yeais after the life insurance was
nationalised, the Government have come
forward with the proposal to pay Rs. 38.23
crores as compensation to 107 General

'“The original speech was delivered in Tamil.

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Inlurance Commit*. JM m the prices of
e$#otia! commodities have .shot up, the
amount of compensation has also set up.

15.00 iur.

Sir, so far an amount of Rs. 6.6 crores
has also been paid to these Companies, after
their management has been taken over by the
Government. I would request the hon.
Minister of Finance to clarify whether this
amount will form part of the total compensa-
tion amount which has been decided by the
Government or this is in addition to that. If
this is in addition to the compensation to be
ptld to them, then the total amount of com-
pensation will be nearly Rs. 45 crores for 107
General Insurance Companies.

Out of these 107 companies 43 are foreign
companies. During all these years these
foreign companies have repatriated crores and
crores of rupees as dividend. The amount
so far repatriated would be several times more
than the capital invested in these companies.
From the provisions of this Bill, I find that
they have been given the most favoured
treatment by the Government. I am tempted
to feel that rank discrimination has been
shown against Indian companies in the matter
of compensation. I doubt whether it is at
all necessary for the Government to pay
compensation for these foreign companies
which have exploited our policy-holders so
long. I would request the hon. Minister to
answer this point in his reply to the
discussion.

Sir, the privy purses of the ex-Maharajas
have been abolished. The major banks in the
private sector have been nationalised. What
for the Government had taken these steps ?
To end the exploitation of monopolists, to
diffuse the concentration of wealth in a few
hands for the benefit of larger sections of our
society, to make the public sector the effective
means of delivering the goods to the people
of our country, these steps had been taken
by the Government. By giving such a huge
compensation, are the Government not acting
against their avowed objectives ? The tax-
payers’ money will go to further fatten the
pot«bel1ied monopolists of this country, who
have so far had the unfettered freedom to
play havoc with public money. The basic
aim of nationalisation is defeated by this pro-
vision of compensation for nationalising the
general insurance business.

1894 (SAKA) (, Natignalhmion ) BlU 258

Why did the Government ask this House
to approve the 25th Amendment of the
Constitution ? Was that for enabling the
Government to take over undertakings
without paying compensation at market value
or for paying fancy amounts of compensation
for nationalising certain undertakings ?
When I see this provision (or paying com-
pensation, I feel that the Government need
not have enacted the 25th Constitution
Amendment. I glso begin to entertain this
feeling : the Government have arrogated them-
selves all this power to threaten these mono-
polists and to keep the Democle’s sword
hanging on their heads ; the Government
would nationalise what they want at the time
they choose ; the Government would declare
the payment of compensation depending on
their whims and fancies ; the Government
might not' give any compensation at all ; the
Government would not bother whether the
tax-payers’ money would give more wealth to
those who had been exploiting the people for
their personal aggrandisement, and the
Government would get everything approved
by this House with the brute majority that
they have. I am strongly of the view that
the 25th Constitution Amendment would
strengthen the hands of the ruling party
rather than the weaker sections of our
society.

My party, the D. M. K. has passed
Resolutions in our Conferences that all the
industries having investment of 5 lakhs and
more should be nationalised. The sugar
mills, the cement industry, the textile mills
and such other industrial organisations, which
have so far been the milchcow of our mono-
polists, should be nationalised. But, if this
Bill- is going to be the precedent, then, I am
afraid that that day will never come when the
important means of production will be in the
hands of public sector. The owners of textile
Mills have exploited them thoroughly and
they have invested all she money in fixed
assets like land, building etc. They have
utilised for their personal purposes all the
money allocated even for Depreciation Fund
and they want only failed to use that fund for
modernising the plants. Such malpractices
and mismanagement alone had led to the
creation of sick textile mills. The Govern-
ment are spending crores of rupees on the
sick textile mills taken over by them for
purpose of making them into productive units
and for providing jobs to lakhs and lakhs of

(Nationalisation) BUI 2 60

AUGUST 28, 1972

259 General Insurance business

[Shri P. A. Saminathen] f

displaced textile labour^ So man? other
textile mills which are no# making profit in
millions of rupees are also likely to be the
victims of mismanagement, because the
owners, taking cue from the huge compen-
sation being paid by the Government to
nationalised Genfral Insurance companies,
will fieece them to the maximum extent
possible and in consequence they might also
become sick mills to be nursed back to life by
the Government at enormous cost to the
public exchequer. As I am afraid that this
provision in this Bill for giving huge com-
pensation to the nationalised General In-
surance Companies will pave the way for that
unfortunate consequence, I request the hon.
Finance Minister to delete the clause
providing for compensation from the Bill.
Then only the Government will be in a
position to nationalise the cement, sugar and
textile industries at a later stage in future.

The Constitution is for the good of the
people. The Government on this plea have
amended the Constitution as and when they
like. They have overwhelming majority in
this House and the Constitution can in future
be amended any number of times. The
people reposed their confidence in the Prime
Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi because she
assured them that progressive measures for
their welfare, like bank nationalisation,
abolition of privy purses, etc. would be taken
by the Government. After coming to power
with absolute majority, what have the Govern-
ment done ? Only the other day, we were
told that the Government have decided to
pay Rs. 10.70 crores as transitional allowance,
which is another name for compensation, to
the erstwhile Maharajas. The owners . of
coking coal mines will be given compensation
for taxing over their mines. The tax-evader
will get compensation if his property is
acquired by the Government.*

I do not know. Sir, whether all this
money could not be utilised for removing
unemployment, for providing shelters to
millions of people sulking and sweating in
scorching sun, for preventing starvation deaths
even after 25 years of independence. The
educated unemployment has reached alarming
proportions. Could we not utilise this money
for creating more employment opportunities ?
Sir, the slogan of garibi hatao is being given

a decent burial with the approval of this
House. Sir, on behalf of my party, the
D. M. K-, I strongly oppose the payment of
compensation to the General Insurance
companies— an amount of Rs. 38.23 crores—
which is totally unwarranted and unreason*
able. I am of the view that the nationali-
sation policy of the Central Government is a
sleight of hands, a rank deception practised
on the common people of our country.

I support generally the nationalisation of
General Insurance companies. But I strongly
oppose the provision for payment of
38.23 crores as compensation to them. I
have no hesitation in saying that the brute
majority the Government have in this House
will enable the monopolists and capitalists to
enrich themselves further. As I feel that the
Government will be belying the hopes and
aspirations of the people of our country, I
request the hon. Minister of Finance to delete
this clause for payment of compensation to
General Insurance companies, which is un-
necessary, unwarranted and unreasonable.

With these words, I conclude.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Nothing of
this will go on record.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU {Diamond
Harbour) : **

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Nothing
will go on record. Mr. Bosu, you are a
senior Member of this House. It is impor-
tant that sometimes Members bring up
national issues even without notice but there
is a time for it. We are conducting a debate.

A Member is on his legs. Do you want
me to run this House violating all the rules of
the House ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : No.

**Not recorded

2il General Insurance
* Business
> MR, DEPUTY 'SPEAKER

BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 262

That Is

whs* he is trying to do. This cannot come
within this debate. This can come on some
other occasion, at the proper time. ..(Inter-
ruptions) I am not shutting him out, I
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House. I cannot do this ( Interruptions .)

No more discussion about it (Inter-

ruptions ) I have listened to him ; I have
ruled him out.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You have
chosen to cast aspersions on me.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have not

chosen (Interruptions)

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU On a
point of order.

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speech f What is the point of order ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On the
business before the House. Unless the House

is brought to order, we are finding it difficult
to know what the hon. learned Member is
saying. The difficulty is that the hon.
Member on my left is saying something.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Can I
request you to co-operatg and bring this
House to order ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After I
resume my seat. Sir. We had written *♦

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER This will
not go on record.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : On a
point of order. We have a right to hear
what the. hon. Member says. You bring the
House to order.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : This is no
point of order.

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : It is
a point of disorder.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Let him give
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House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We know
that.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : My point of
order is this.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : It is a point
of disorder.

• SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Who are you
to say like this ? It is for the Chair to
decide ; it is not for you to decide ....
{Interruptions) > I am standing but he says
there is no point of order and that it is a
point of disorder. "

SHRI VASANT SATHE: You cannot
misuse the point of order. There must be a
limit.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no
point of order. Mr. Verraa.

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : I am a Member
of this hon. House.

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263 General Insurant Business AUGUST

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Everyone
knows that. >;

SHRI &. S. CHAVttA : I am emitted
to hear him. Isn't it ?.». ..

MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : Yes ( Inter
ruprions ).

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA :« It is for you
to decide whether the obstruction should be
removed.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am ruling
him out.

SHRI SHIV SHANKER PRAS\D
YADAV roset.

SHRI K S. CHAVDA : The Member is
standing. What can we do ?

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You better
resume your seat. (Interruptions) The only
thing I can do is, with the cooperation of
members here, I shall have to name this
member for obstructing the proceeding of the
House, if he does not resume his seat.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He
is himself going out.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am giving this
warning. I shall have to name him.

AN HON. MEMBER : He is going to

fast.

Shri Shankar Prasad Yadav then left
the House.

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SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL
(Moradabad) : Mr Deputy-Speaker, we as a
party accept nationalisation as a national
creed. But it must serve the national objective.
The Finance Minister, while defining the
objectives of nationalisation, has assured us 4
that it will serve both the purposes of
growth and social justice. But as an economist
I feel that nationalisation has not yet served
the purpose either to hold the price line or to
create additional employment potential. There
is a suspicion in the minds of the common
man in the country whether the present
economic policies will really succeed in
eradicating the poverty or to reduce disparity.
At times it looks as i&it is entirely a political
decision which would never serve the economic
needs of the people. No government, whatever
majority it may have, can ever thrive merely
on slogans, unless it spelts out its policies in
terms of raising the economic lot of the poor.

The public sector, as we all Know, has
come to stay. But, at the moment, in common
parlance it is identified with corruption and
inefficiency. The mismanagement of the public
sector has added to the inflationary pressure

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267 Qmeral tnsurance^Susinm AUGUST 28* 1972

[Shri ViremJra AgarwaJ]

by throwing more any more down thd
bottomless .pit. who doea not know that the
nationalisation of 14 commercial banks has
had an adverse effect op, prices 7 We also
know at the State Bank it takes more than 45
minutes to get a cheque cashed, The national*
ised banks have also failed to * meet the
requirements of priority sectors.

We believe, at the moment, we have
reached a point when there must be a fuller
evaluation o' all the nationalised, industries
and find out exactly to what extent they have
served the economic objectives which the
Government has set before itself. We all know
that the personnel policy of the public sector
is also in shambles. There are 38 public sector
organisations which do not have top executives.
Sometimes, we are in search of committed
man irrespective of whether they are compe-
tent enough to delivfer the doos. Over-
centralisation and overt polticalisation have
marred the future of the public sector. If we
see what the Soviet economists have beguo to
analyse about Indian economy, they hold
the view that today further nationalisation
would hardly deliver the goods. Therefore, we
as planners and economists have also to go
into the question of nationalisation. Nationali-
sation as such is not a bad word. It must be
pursued if it serves the national interest. But
at present we must consolidate the gains
because the nationalised sector has not been
able to deliver the goods.

We all know that the economy is sliding
back and we have reached a point of virtual
economic stagnation, both in agriculture and
industry. We have been analysing, year aftor
year, what would be the best system for us to
develop in the country. Lately, we have been
talking a great deal about the joint sector.
Ultimately, if we are really feoing to create
large employment potential, we have to create
some sort of medium technology.

The next question that we have been
debating here is about the Constitution
(Twenty-fifth) Amendment. There is no doubt
that the market, value concept if almsot gone.
It is no use talking about market value con-
cept. If we mi really rationale about it, then
we must analyse whether the basis of compens-
ation. worked out by the Government is clear
and rational. The Finance Minister practi-

cally refused to oblige us in the Joint Committee
when we made a request to him to tell us the
formula, the basis, on which the compensation
is being determined. But we still do not know
exactly where we stand. At the moment* there
is an impression, not only among the Opposit-
ion groups but in the entire House, and
there is a unanimous view, that the
compensation in the case of various companies
is entirely arbitrary and has completely
ignored the intrinsic worth of a company and
of a share-holding represented by capital and
other reserves. This arbitrary decision of the
Government has, naturally, shaken the
confidence of the investor and the stock
market. There is a demoralising effect on the
inestraent climate and we really do not know
whether we will ever succeed in reviving the
capital market which, according to me, is
absolutely essential if we really want our
economy to grow at a faster rate. Therefore,

I would suggest that the Finance Minister
must tell us what are really the specific
guide-lines on the basis of which the compen-
sation will actually be paid to the shareholders.

There is a great deal of talk here about
discrimination, not only discrimination between
foreign and Indian companies, but discrimi-
nation between Indian and Indian companies.
At present, there is a consensus that if
discrimination remains in determining the
compensation to various companies, naturally,
not on the question of market value but on
the question of discrimination the whole Bill
will be struck down by the Supreme Court.
Therefore, we should certainly go into it and
find out exactly whether we can have a
rational uniform basis for determining the
compensation to both foreign and Indian
companies or not.

My view is that no foreign company
should be paid more than assets minus
liabilities which has been calculated at Rs. 7.5
crores. That is a rational basis. If the for-
eign companies are treated rarher favourably
as against Indian companies, I think, we
cannot expect Indian companies to grow and
revive investment climate to grow.

Therefore, in any case, the foreign
companies need not be paid anything more than
Rs. 7 5 crores which is on the basis of
assets minus liabilities, while the Indian
companies, according to me, are to be paid
on the basis of capital plus free teseres and

General Insurance BHADRA3, tm ( SAKA ) (Nmtonalimien) Bili 270

Business

Whatever the gains we have from the
foreign companies, I feel, shotrtd be redistri-
buted among the Indian companies. That
would be a fair, rational basis for determining
the compensation to both foreign and Indian
companies.

This sort of ad hocisnt which is pursued
by Government— because the 25th Constitu-
tional .Amendment has made it possible
for the Government not to mention the
formula or the basis— will not carry us
very far. We must have a very clear, straight
formula, a uniform formula, for determining
the compensation for both foreign and Indian
companies.

I am also serious in suggesting that, in
respect of the structure of the nationalised
general insurance companies, each State in
the country should have an autonomous
corporation. Instead of having one holding
company and four regional autonomous
corporations that have been suggested by this
Bill. I would suggest that there should be 18
autonomous corporations, one for each State,
so that this concept of decentralisation,
competition and reasonable profitability,
which more or less are essential virtues for any
business organisation, can be worked out for
general insurance companies.

15 27 hrs.

[ Shri K.N Tiwary in the Chair]

One of the most important objectives of
general insurance companies today is that we
should, somehow or other, extend the activi-
ties of general insurance to the farming
community. This is a very important aspect
of nationalisation. Not only cattle but crops
and farm machinery also need to be insured
so that the sense of uncertainty which now
prevails in the rural areas, with the rural
people, could be removed. The entire country
should really feel that both urban and rural
properties can be insured, and in that way
we could help in raising the agricultural
productivity.

Finally, I would say that the nationa-
lisation of general insurance is almost like a
very powerful hammer to kill a very small
fly. Nationalisation is not the panacea for
all economic ailments, though it must be
employed if it is found necessary in national
interest, In any case, it is very true that
for the sake ;f ideological considerations if

you go on nationalising, I do not think that
we will be able to go very far in achieving
what we expect in terms . Of eradication of
poverty or reducing disparities,

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SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhandhuka) : I
find that this Bill is not a very satisfactory
Bill and it is the more unsatisfactory in that
part of the . Bill where the question of com-
pensation for the companies taken over is
dealt with only the amount is mentioned, and
no indication is given of the basis on which
that amount is arrived at. The Finance
Minister understandably refuses to give any
indication of this. But I hope he has
realised that even from his side of the House,
dissatisfaction has been expressed at his
reluctance to explain the basis that he has
adopted, and that too is quite understand-
able.

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE (Bombay
Central) : Dissatisfaction has been expressed
on this side so that the amount could be
reduced .

SHRI H, M. PATEL : Whatever be the
reason for expressing their dissatisfaction that
the broad basis has not been indicted, the
fact remains that the basis ought to have
been indicated, and then and then and then
alone in this House we can consider whether
the amount fixed is a reasonable one, and a fair
one. When the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the
Constitution was discussed in this House, it was
clearly indicated that the object was not
expropriation, that private^ property still
remained and that although it would not be
justiciable, it would be the duty of this House
to see that the amount given was fair and
reasonable.

How on earth can we just judge whether
the amount given is fair an<^ reasonable, un-
less we are told the basis thereof ? But it is
not possible to discuss this question further
except this point of view that this Bill pro-
pose to give amounts to foreign companies
on a basis, which is far more favourable to
the foreign companies than the basis that has

been adopted or that appears to have been
adopted for the Indian insurance companies.
Why this discrimination to favour of the
foreign companies ? There was a time when
one objected to discrimination being exercised
by the foreigners against Indians. But here
our own Government chooses to discriminate
in favour of foreingners and against their own
citizens. Why 7 Not only that, but this
process of discrimination is carried further
and is to be found as between Indian insu-
rance companies themselves. The additional
sum that was given {subsequently or that has
been proposed to be given does ,not in any
way remove that discrimination. On the
contrary, it deepens the mystery, for no clear
basis appears to have been adopted for giving
these additional amounts to the tune of Rs* 5
crores odd to the various Indian insurance
companies.

I know that what I am saying falls on
virtually deaf ears because there is no
intention whatsoever to remove this discrimina-
tion. I do nevertheless venture to hope
that the Finance Minister will indicate, will
endeavour to explain, why there is this dis-
crimination, or if he denies that theie is any
discrimination, why that is so.

Having said this, I would make a few
observations in regard to the concept of the
General Insurance Corporation and the four
companies which they propose to set up. The
Finance Minister has said in his speech that
the object was to instil a competitive element.
What particular type of competition does he
envisage ? If he had indicated that, it might
have been possible to consider further how
this would be an advantage. What is the
kind of competition does he envisage or anti-
cipate that these four companies would indulge
in ? Would they be allowed to quote different
tariff rates ? Presumably, the Corporation
at the top has been set up in order to ensure
a certain measure of uniformity in regard to
tariffs and so on. If so, the object of com-
petition is very difficult to see. It is just not
clear how there can be any competition, unless
it is going to be competition in the efficiency
of service ? And bow do you judge this effici-
ency of service 7

I can foresee only one direction in which
perhaps there might be an advantage in
having four companies. You may be able to
try out experiments through these companies
in new areas of insurance. You may try out

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' in me area a crop insurance scheme, in an-
' other a cattle insurance scheme and in a third
some other Mod of insurance, areas which
have not 6een covered hitherto and which it
is desirable should be covered. At the same
time t you may feel that the risk may be too ’
great to take it up over the entire country.
But I am afraid this is only my guess of a
possible idea that Government may have, but
it seems to me that on the whole, the setting
up of four companies designed definitely to
compete, may well lead to difficulties in actual
practice. .

1 do feel that this idea of setting up four
companies deserves to be given further con-
sideration. There is already the General
Insurance Corporation itself. That Corpora-
tion could quite easily carry out any experi-
ments in limited areas that they may desire.
You can ensure by various management
expendients competitiveness in efficiency
without having separate companies. Merely
to have increased heavy overheads is not
necessarily going to be any advantage.

You have before you the experience of the
Life Insurance Corporation. Undoubtedly
the type of insurance is different. Never-
theless, the LIC has functioned satisfactorily
and efficiently without having to divide it into
separate companies although there has been
pressure upon the Government to break up
the Life Insurance Corporation into several
corporations, it has been resisted. And to
my mind, the resistance has been wise. Why
then should we start in this case, ab initio .
with one corporation and four compnies ? V
know that there may be certain other difficiift
ties. It was suggested by Shri Inderjit Gupta
that this was designed against labour.
Certainly labour creates difficulties. But it
seems to me that there too it is time that
you faced up to labour friendly and squarely,
and without doing so in roundabout manner.
If by having four companies, you imagine that
your ability to face up to labour will be greater,
I think that is a mistake assumption. I think it
would be far better to look into this question
solely from the point of view of efficient
management and I think from that standpoint
possibly one corporation and four companies
may well be a mistake.

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : Mr.
Chairman, Sir, the first point that I would like
to take is the point regarding this one

holding corporation company and four
companies. In my humble opinion, all that
the Finance Minister stated, while explaining
this point in answering the objection, was that
we have taken into consideration all the
various points raised by various Opposition
Members and we have come to this conclusion
that it will be better because it wilt give
healthy competition. If healthy competition is
the only poiit, let us examine what are the
people in general insurance going to compete
about.

Here, the ptemium rates are fixed. This is
not a production industry or a concern where
four people are producing four goods of the
same type and sailing them at different costs
so that there is an element of competition
involved, as to who does it more efficiently
and who produced things more efficiently.
What are you going to produce here ? You
have fixed the premium rates and the people
who ore going to insure are going to insure
their house, factories or other buildinge at a
particular rate, and if there is a damage you
pay a particular compensation to those
persons. Tell me what is the competition
in this. The only competition that we knew
up till now in these various companies— in
respect of this we are going to have four— was
competition in underhand dealings of giving
rebate. Everyone would say, "If you insure
with my company I will give you 10 per cent”
and some others will say, "I will give you five
per cent.” And another man may say the
maximum will be given. So, in both ways
there was corruption. Here also, if you
encourage competition in these four companies,
I can understand if you can restrict them to
their own areas and make them show their
efficiency. But you are going to allow them
to work in the entire country. That will
mean^ there will be competition in corrup-
tion. * This is Precisely what it will result in.

Another dangerous thing in this is that
you will create bad blood among the emplo-
yees. Supposing there are different profits in
different companies ; in some companies,
because of the regions, being rich or having
some basic industries or bigger houses, better
profits may be earned. If they earn better
profits, the employees in that company will
say, "Give me a better wage, better salary
and a higher bonus and a share in your pro-
fits" and so on. Once this is done in one
company, do you think you can stop this

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[Shri Vasant Sathe]

in the case of any of the. four companies
merely on the ground that you have made a
lesser profit ?

Overheads will increase in every possible
manner that you can think of ; parochial
considerations will come in. Suppose a com-
pany having its head office in ftombay tries
to go and work in Calcutta and employs men
in Calcutta to compete. You can imagine
the type of bad blood that will be created.
Therefore, I would beg of the Finance Minister
to consider this matter. I have seen not a
single Member who spoke for it in this House
except the Finance Minister. He has to stand
by whatever he said : He is committed, for-
tunately or unfortunately. I am sure, left to
himself, if he was not a Minister but a Mem-
ber, probably he would agree with us because
the unanimous opinion here is : do not have
this competition in corruption ; please do
not encourage this.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
shall argue with you later on.

SHRI VASANT SATHE : We are willing
to argue. I was wanting to see at leas! one
person. Even Mr. Patel— leave alone the
communists, you can say that they have
extreme views on the labour side — has said
that four companies should not be there and
one corporation would be more efficient. We
on this side are also of the humble view that
there should be one corporation.

Coming to the question of compensation
may I submit that on one point I beg td
differ from some of our friends who unwitting-
ly have asked the Finance Minister to give
reasons and the formula aqd explain the
principles. You do not know what trap you
will fall in. Some people, some vested interests
precisely want the principles to be spelt out
so that they can later on go to the Supreme
Court and say : look, this has not been done
in accordance with principles and therefore
legislation is bad and strke it down. Therefore,
although I have reservations as* far as the
quantum and the whole principle of the fixa-
tion of the armount is concerned, 1 am one
with the Finance Minister on this : do not
spell out the principles or the formula, if
you want to save yourself within the frame-
work of the Constitution. . .(Interruptions.)

Otherwise, whatever goodness there may be,
even that will be frustrated and defeated in
the Supreme Court, What will you gain 7

After all, what is the idea of compensa-
tion ? Whom do we compensate 7 It is a
fundamental question. In a socialist system
whom do we compensate ? I want to do social
justice even to the capitalist. Capital formation
is there. I know how strongly and vehemently
critical is the Finance Minister of the un-
earned income, people who have accumulated
wealth, people who invested in this company
or industries like this. What do you do ? You
get premium from the people and utilise it
somewhere else and earn profits on that in-
vestment and earn here also in the form of
dividends. This is a fundamental question
and we will have to review and ask ourselves
what compensation are wo going to pay and
to whom.

I would like to know from the hon.
Finance Minister what is the preccntage of
middle-class shareholders in various com-
panies, people who have invested less then
Rs. 5,000 Because, the idea prevalent in my
mind at least is that it is only the big houses
who have the maximum investment. But if
the majority of shareholders in these com-
panies are having shareholdings less then
Rs 5,000, if the compensation to be given by
you is going directly to those shareholders,
then I would submit that there is an element
of social justice in that But I would like to
know what is the shareholding of the big
people and what is the shareholding of the
small or medium people.

16-00 hrs.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajapur):
Sir, in this debate, criticism has been levelled
against the Bill from various angles. For a
person like me, it is very necessary that
I must identify my area of criticism Other-
wise, it would get mixed up with that criti-
cism which is very critical of the very fact
of nationalisation of general insurance and
other credit institutions. I am one of those
who believe that even to a socialist, nationali-
sation might not be a panacea for all econo*
mic evils of the society. Affluent societies
can take a different attitude to nationalisation,
but developing countries like India have to
take an altogether different attitude. For
developing countries like India, who have to

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rely more on the concept of self-reliance,
nationalisation of financial and credit institu-
tions which guide the direction of develop*
meat of this country, is a must. Therefore,

I welcome the step of nationalising general
insurance as a correct step. Very often in
vague generalisations, our attitude and
direction is correct. But when it comes to
spelling out details, we falter and fumble. 1
think that is what has happened here.

I do concede that quite a good number of
suggestions made in the Select Committee
have already been accepted, but quite a good
number remain yet to be accepted. 1 hope the
Finance Minister will adopt a flexible posture
and will not take it for granted that every
amendment moved in this House is to be re-
jected If some amendments are accepted, they
will add more strength to the Bill and to that
extent the Bill become a powerful instrument
in accomplishing the social objective and
economic policies for which it is designed.

1 believe in decentralisation. But decentra-
lisation and what is being proposed here, I do
not think are co-terminous. Decentralisation
is always intended to add to efficiency and
to see that the concentration of economic
wealth and power is avoided. My mind is
quite open to this experiment of four com-
panies. If we really find that as a result of
four units efficiency can be stepped up and
wc can bring about the end of greater and
greater concentration of economic wealth, in
that case, my mind is quite open. But I have
my own doubts. Since the tariff' rate and
premium rate are going to be identical, I
feel that the very pious objective with which
the Finance Minister tries to approach this
experiment of four units is not going to be
fulfilled. If the tariff and premium rates are
going to remain the same, splitting corpora-
tion into four units will mean, of course,
competition, but will it be healthy competition
in which the efficiency of the business will go up
or will it be a competition in which really
the malpractices will be enhanced manifold ?
There I fully agree with Mr. Sathe that if
this experiment is taken up with the rest of
the considerations remaining the same,
efficiency which is supposed to be associated
with the experiment of decentralisation, is not
going to be achieved. I feel that the existing
malpractices will multiply manifold. You are
aware of the fact that there is a system of
fictitious agents. One does not know where

they are and who they are. Big house re-
presentatives say^ these arc the agents and
payment should & made to them.

So many fictitious agents are there and
thrbugh them a lot of malpractices in busi-
ness are going on. I do n$ think these
malpractices will be put an end to. On the
other hand, I feel these malpraciices will
grow. Therefore, £ome soit of centralised
direction has to be given and the loopholes
and malpractices removed.

While dealing with this problem the repre*
sentatives of employees used a wrong term
in their memorandum. They wanted to have
a ‘monolithic corporation* ; in fact, that term
has got a bad odour. We can have “a single
autonomous corporation”. Then probably some
of the difficulties can be eliminated.

There is another important aspect. If
we are going to have four units as proposed
in this Bill, apart from the malpractices the
overhead expenses will be very large, the
establishment charges will be very heavy as a
result of which profitability will go down.
It is not only a private entrepreneur but
even the public sector industry has to think
of profitability. If the overhead charges go
up to a veiy great extent, that will decrease
the profitability. That aspect has to be taken
into account.

Then there is another a spect which is
very important from the point of view of
employees. If there are four units function-
ing, with the best of efforts it will not be
possible to ensure uniformity of emoluments,
standardisation of wages, security of jobs
etc. Since the profitability of different units
would be different, with the best of intentions to
maintain the uniformity of wage structure,
economic benefits and social security, you
will find that there is £ definite disincentive
to raising the efficiency of this business due
to ununiformity of wages. So, we should
view this from that angle also.

Coming to gpmpensatjon, though the word
“compensation” nowhere is there and it is
only an amount to be paid for whatever we
acquired, even though we have discarded
that word in the Constitution, everybody is
using that term. Here I feel that some
principle has to be evolved. I do not agree

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with Shri Sathe that i& we Jry to evolve a
principle then we will gMt stuck. 1 feel some
principles < have to be" evolved so that the
social aspect will be attended to. It is not
only the vested interests that are interested
in seeing that concrete principles are evolved ;
the middle class 4 shareholders would also like
to see that some concrete principles are
evolved for working out the amount to be
paid. &

I am sorry to say that some of the con-
crete proposals placed before the Select
Committee were not accepted in the final
report. In fact, two principles were
enunciated One principle was that five
times the average of the net profits of
the years 1967* 1968 and 1969 be given as the
amount for the business acquired. But a
more concrete formulation was suggested,
which meets with social justice aspect. My
hon. friend said that we have accepted private
property and expropriation is not to be
indulged in. I am not one of those who
adopt a doctrinnaire view on property. So
long as property does not outlive its social
obligations, it functions within the framework
of social welfare, such property need not be
touched. It is only when property outlives
its social utility and becomes a challenge that
certain restrictions have to be put on it.

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN
(Badagara) : Should property be limited ?

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am
makiQg a distinction between two types of
property. In this sense, I feel, it is not
merely the question whether private property
being expropriated or not. Some form. of
expropriation is there. But when we are
going to pay a certain amount, is it not
possible for us to accept a principle ? What-
ever is the “paid-up capital”, we should
accept that as the basis for payment of what
you call as compensation or the amount to
be paid as a legitimate amount. I think, if
that is accepted, the social justice aspect will
be served. If we take concrete statistics into
account, it is a fact that, as far as many
shareholders are concerned they have
actually derived such fat dividends that so far
as the face value is concerned, it is completely
surpassed and, this being a situation even on
tbe basis of statistics, I think, it will be
possible for us to ensure that as a legitimate
basis, the paid-up capital is accepted a$ the

amount to be paid for business acquired.
That will be a fair basis for the payment of
compensation.

When the Twenty-fifth Constitution
Amendment was accepted— many of us had
supported the Twenty-fifth Amendment just
as we supported the Twenty-fourth Amend-
ment— we always said that these are tbe
enabling Bills. Ultimately, the test of the
Bills will be how these Bills are harnessed and
utilised.

Sir, I have little time at my disposal.
I would like to take only a minute more to
stress one more aspect which is very impor-
tant from the point of view of employees
also. Security of job, standardisation of
wages and the problem of bonus are all
related problems. As far as bonus is con :
cerned, the general policy cannot be included
here because it is the Bonus Act in the
amended form that will have to give the
direction. As far as uniformity of wages and
emoluments are concerned, and also the
assurance of job security, I think, the
conditions that are absolutely essential will
not be fulfilled by the present form of Bill.
Therefore, I feel tnat certain provisions which
are there will have to be radically altered.

Sir, some of us have given amendments.
While concluding, I must say, that adequate
time was not available for us to submit
amendments to the Bill. We have already
submitted some amendments. I hope, if a
few minutes’ delay is there, probably a rigid
attitude will not be taken and those amend-
ments will be admitted. On the basis of
those amendments, we have concretised the
proposals as to how lacunae can be filled.
I would very much like the Finance Minister
to go carefully through the amendments.
Generally, our experience unfortunately in
this House has been that amendments are
just put to vote— they are circulated earlier —
and only the Amendment No. so and so is
put to vote and, generally, it is taken for
granted that the amendments moved by the
Opposition are to be rejected. I hope, that
will not be done here. Very often, it happens
so. As far as I am concerned, my attitude
in this House has always been issue-oriented.
If we find any progressive measure of some
issue coming from the Treasury Benches as
having an lement of radicatity, we have
supported that measure. I am not a blind

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Oppositionist. I am only opposed to politics
of vested interest, not opposed to everything
that/ comes from the Treasury Benches.
Therefore, here, ! would say in the end that
the Finance Minister should carefully scan
all the amendments that have been submitted.
Some of the amendments are bound to
strengthen the Bill which he has already
moved for consideration. If those amend-
ments ore accepted, many lacunae in the Bill
will be completely eliminated and some of the
difficulties as a result of lacunae in the Bill
will be completely removed and the efficiency
of this field of industry will be stepped up,

I support many of the provisions of the
Bit), of course, with the hope that some of
the amendments moved by the Opposition will
be accepted to strengthen the Bill.

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira) : Mr.
Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Bill. I
understand the Bill has been undertaken for
the benefit of the Indian people. Analysing
the various measures under the Bill, one can
easily say that the controversy which has been
created is not necessary. There has been
some mention about the quantum of compen-
sation. Some Members have been rather
sceptical about the way in which the com-
pensation has been worked out. But anyone
who is aware as to how the capital, reserves
and dividends are paid or made, he would
easily be able to judge the reasons for pro-
viding the compensation which has been stated
therein.

There is the capital which was subscribed
probably several years back. The Finance
Minister said that the rupee today is 0.42 p.
worth and, to that extent, nearly 2\ times the
amount is, in any case, due for the invest-
ment made some 20 to 30 years back. The
reserves are made after payment of the taxes.
Taxes are paid according to the laws enacted
by parliament. In other words, neither the
capital nor the reserves are illegal amounts
earned by the shareholders. The Government
of India is a party to their providing these
items.

Then .there is the question of dividend.
We all know that there have been certain
divideod restrictions. There has also been'
a certain tendency to build up reserves
restricting dividends. To this extent, if
' dividend alone is the justifying measure, it

cannot be accepted as the basis for com-
pensation.

Then there is the question of capital and
reserves and the computation of share value
in relation to the wealth tax assessment that
the Income tax Department of the Ministry
makes. The same people are* asked what is
the break-up value of a particular share.
There are criteria laid down in the laws* If
those laws were applied, the compensation
which would have been payable would have
been far more. Therefore, what we are
paying under the present circumstances is a
reasonable price and not something which is
unrelated to the realities. In fact, if we had
felt that the amounts which we were paying
were rather on the high side, then we would
not have thought of taking over the shares
at the present rates. Then there have been
stock-holdings by small people. But, I be-
lieve, the principal holders are LIC and public
institutions. Therefore, the grearer amount
of benefit is likely to go to the Government's
own organisations.

There is also another item in the Bill
relating to the scope of business or structural
matter. I would request the Finance Minister
to let the States do their part of the insurance
job. This is a service-oriented industry
wherein a certain amount of directness, a
certain amount of work relating to payments
of claims and so on, is involved ; in some
cases the assessments are to be done on the
spot and calculations regarding the rates are
to be worked out immediately. The States
already undertaking certain additional func-
tions not stated under section 35 — since
revised to 36 In this category, I have not
seen, items covering cooperative societies,
State Boards, panchayats and those sorts of
local organisations. Whatever the areas,
where the States are functioning already, they
may be permitted ’because it forms a subs-
tantial part of the revenue of the States and
the States are principally responsible for
providing at times the capital.

Then there has been some mention regard-
ing the four divisions in the set-up. There
have been some &mp!aints that, if four bodies
or companies are established, there will be
loss, there will be certain under-hand practices
and increase in costs. I do not believe in
this because this is basically a service industry
and we all know that where we have today

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monopoly, whether Slate or private, the
monopoly itself is creating certain difficulties
for the public. We have to judge everything
from public point of view just as we talk
about the public point of view in regard to
nationalisation.

Our Communist friends have world
reputation for paying excellent compensations
when deals by Communist countries are done.
They want that their credit worthiness and
reputation should be kept high. When it
comes to India, 1 do not know why those
people feel sore about maintaining certain
ethical standards. After all, India is a part
of the world and if we expropriate things,
then we are not likely to attract much admi-
ration and faith from other countries of the
world.

Therefore, wc have to behave in a manner
which would be in line or in consonance with
the general standards or ethical standards all
the world over and to that extent, even if we
temporarily feel that some amounts or
certain figures are not determined on axaction
basis and act wrongly, we feel that such things
are not likely to create our image or credit
worthiness in the international field.

Lastly, there has been a question of
employees. I believe that there should be a
reward and penalty. If anybody works
better, he should be rewarded. On the other
hand, if anybody does not work, then,
naturally, he must be penalised to that
extent. Even out payments just for the sake
of giving benefit of uniformity is likely to
result in inefficiencies. Therefore, the
Ministry should be congratulated for having
provided for four separate competing divi-
sions, that is, four separate companies.

In these companies the "service conditions
could be dependent bn the revenues and the
revenues would be dependent on the service
these people offer and give to the customers.
In any part of the world, the customer is just
not a king but the emperor and if the Indian
people are to be treated by the Government
differently* say, like beggars, then these
organisations are not likely to attract much
admiration but if we have competitive bodies,
competing Organisations, then we might stand
abetter chance of fulfilling what we have
promised to the people.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnafegr) : Sir,
I welcome this measure. This measure is
a step forward in the right direction and such
like measures will ultimately fulfil the socio-
economic objectives of this country.

Gut, Sir, it is very strange that the Govern-
ment have not given any consideration to the
useful suggestions made by some members of
the Select Committee. In this House also, to-
day, almost all members except Shri Chavan
and the last speaker, Shri D. D. Desai, all
opposed the idea, of formation of four com-
panies. 1 need not repeat the points or elaborate
the points because my friend, Prof Madhu
Dandavate, has elaborately dealt with the
point.

The formation of four companies will
ultimately result in top-heavy administration
and all the corrupt and malpractices which are
prevailing to-day in the general insurance
business will continue to flourish. Therefore,
\ would appeal to Shri Chavan that we should
reconsider this point and I think he will come
out with the appropriate amendments to form
one corporation.

My second point is about compensation.
If we go through the report of the Joint
Committee, it appears that the Government, at
the last minute amendment to the schedule of
the Bill, have surrendered to the pressure of
the big houses and they have not given any
formula or any principle or any basis for
calculation of this compensation ..

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : They
should surrender to this big House.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : They are in the
habit of surrendering to the big business houses,
you know. 1 had mentioned only the other
day that they are talking of curbing the mono-
poly but they have given licences to Birlas in
the last year fourteen licences for new projects
and 13 licences to the Tatas for the expansion
of their companies. So, this is nothing new
which we see from the report.

The other thing 19 : They have favo-
ured the foreign dominated companies.
Regarding the amounts to be paid to the
Indian and foreign insurance companies for
the transfer^ shares of each Indian insurance
company and in the case of foreign insurance

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jbompaples for the trawler and vesting in the What is acceptable has already been accepted.
Centra) Government of each such undertaking, The hon. Member, Shri Dandavate started
no elarificafkm was given to the members with a compliment to the Government that
of the ^Jolnt Committee by the Govern- they have been very flexible in the Select
xnent of the basis of or the principles Committee. In the Select Committee stage
underlying the determination of the amounts. , when we considered these matters, 1 agreed to
There is discrimination also between the for- accept as many amendments, I thought I could
eign companies and the Indian companies and accept as being reasonable. Well, I do not
while they have said more amounts to the want to anticipate the discussion on the
foreign companies, the reasons are no known amendments now. When we come to the
to as. The reasons are best known to the discussion of *the amendments on merits we
Government only. I hope Mr. Chavan will can consider whether there is any acceptable
clarify it. amendment. But, any amendment which is

going to change the character of the Act
This Bill provides power to transfer the itself now at this stage is unthinkable,
employees of one company to another company

and it vests the power in the Central Govern- The debate generally concentrated on three
moot. This is highly objectionable. After all, or four important points. One is about eom-
you are nationalising the insurance companies pensation. I dealt with this question in my
and you are forming a corporation. How is introductory speech, and I gave the types of
it that you are asking the power to transfer arguments that were advanced at the time of
the employees of one company to the other discussion of the question of compensation in
company or from one corner of the country to the Select Committee level, It is not compcnsa-
another corner of the country ? This measure tion, but it is ‘amount’ that we are paying
will be grossly misused by the Government, according to the Constitution. But, if the idea
My fear is, it will create victimisation and is that nothing should be given, certainly
ultimately this transfer power of the Govern- Government cannot accept that position,
ment will create hardships to the employees.

So, I hope Government will consider this point Some people merely merely think in terms
also and delete the proviso from the Bill. of crores and they say ‘How big an amount

is being paid'. There are nearly 107 insurance
Regarding the question of corruption, you companies including foreign insurance com-
are well aware of the fact that there is a lot of P an,es which are involved in this, and this
corruption today in this particular line of compensation is to be paid to the shareholders,
business. Fictitious agencies of ihe big houses Some Members did try to compare, particularly
collect rebates not allowable under the Aet. I°drajit Gupta compared, the compensa-

These things are going on. If this idea of t * on P a |^ * n thc case t * le insurance
having four companies continues, this sort of companies with that in the case of the general
corruption is not going to end. It will only Insurance companies. But they forgot the
increase. fundamental difference between life insurance

business and the general insurance business.

The profit or benefit in the case of life in-
These are the three or four points that I surance goes t0 tbe po | icyholders . In thc case

wanted to mention. I hope that Goverdiaent 0 f general instance, really speaking, the owner-
will give due consideration to these points ship vests in , be shareholders. So, naturally,

submitted by all the Members. Thank you. the compensation has ’to be paid to the share-

holders. Therefore, the amount which we are
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI thinking in the case of general insurance is
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Sir, I must bigger because the ownership is scattered,
say, the discussion was certainly very
interesting and useful...

16.32 hrs.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE And [Mr. DePuty-SPeaker in the Chair]
also acceptable.

Shri Vasant Bathe wanted me to tell him
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : the exact number of people involved in the

Whatever is reasonable is always acceptable, insurance companies. I have not got figures

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[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] :
for all the insurance companies, but I have got
some sample figures which 1 would like to give
to the hon. Member; Shri Indrajit Gupta had
also raised the same point. Therefore, I have
tried to get some information, and I shall
give the information f about six or seven typical
insurance companies.

In the case of British India, General, the
number of shareholders who have shares less
than Rs. 5000 is 2480, and they form 98,3 per
cent of the total number of shareholders. In
the case of Concord of India, the number of
shareholders in 302, and they form a percentage
to the total, which is 90.7 per cent. In the
case of Hindusthan General the number of
shaieholders is 220, while their percentage to
the total is 86,3 per cent In the case of New
Great, the number of shareholders is 1468,
and their percentage to the total is 96 per
cent. In the case of New India, which is
one of the largest companies, and which is an
important and well run company, the number
of shareholders having less than Rs. 5000
shares is 19468, and their percentage to the
total is 96 per cent. In the case of Ruby, the
number of shareholders having less than
Rs, 5000 shares is 903, while their percentage
to the total is 81 per cent. So, from these
figures, hon. Members may realise what the
position is. Whether these people who have
shares of Rs. 5000 or less are rich or over-
rich is something on which 1 cannot say any-
thing. but their interest in the company
certainly is less than Rs. 5000. It may be
that most of them are likely to be middle
class people. So, if we are paying some reasona-
ble amount to them I am not using the word
‘compensation', but ‘reasonable amount' there
is nothing wrong about it.

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Are they not
holding shares elsewhere, or ar* they holding
shares only in the general insurance com-
panies ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I do
not know; so, I cannot say that. It will be
very difficult to make that kind of statement.
Possibly, they may be holding shares some-
where elso also. It is quite possible that there
may be some people who are holding some
shares only m the insurance companies.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Will
those who hold shares up to Rs. 5000 be paid
tofuli?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : No,
not in full it will be in proportion to the
amount that is paid to the entire company.
My point is that some hon. Members, had
said that we should not make any payment
at all. My answer to that argument is
that we just cannot take that position.
That was one line of argument which was
made about it.

As regards the formula, some hon. Mem-
v bers repeated the same point and asked what
the principle was and what the principle was
not. I think Shri Vasant Sathe has replied to
that question very ably, and I do not think
that I need go into it But certainly the

questions of dividend, the questions of assets
minus liabilities, questions of profiability, all
these factors had to be taken into account,
while fixing a certain amount. These were
eertainly taken into account while even changing
the schedule at the Joint Committee level.

When the Joint Committee accepted this,
they accepted it after full consideration of
the problem . Some members did not agree so
that, But the Joint Committee is a body of
Parliament which has approved these amend-
ments. Therefore, I cannot say that Parliament
has not applied its mind. The Joint Committee
is certainly a judicial committee in this matter
and they have to take a judicious view of the
thing The Joint Committee have taken a
judicious view and come to these conclusions.

I do not think I need add anything to this
point again.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He
said that he would refer to the amendments
after looking into them afterwards. I just
want to point out that in the morning the
Speaker had said— of course, there was a lot
of trouble at that time going on in the House-*
that amendments would be accepted till 3 P.M.
and a little delay does not matter. This is on
record. All my amendments have come by
3.15, In view of this, Deputy Speaker's
statement that my amendments cannot be
accepted is very unfair.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: I
have no objection. The Chair can decide.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I also did
not intend to be rigid ( Interruption i). Order,
please. You do not allow the Chair to say
anything in peace. At this moment, there
are quite a number of amendments.

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I PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : There
ac*«.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hand-
writing is so' difficult that we have not been
able to decipher it. All the amendments that
were given upto 3 P.M. have been cyclostyled
and circulated. Your amendments have not
been circulated so that at the time you move
them, they will have to be read out to the
House. My difficulty is that they are not
just one or two; they are many and the hand-
wiiting is difficult to decipher. 1 do not know.
We will see about that.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : We
told the Speaker that it is not possible...

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall
see when the amendment stage comes. Perhaps
if you had only written in more legible hand-
writing, it would not have been difficult.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: My
handwriting is better than so many others’ .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is the
difficulty with the handwriting of all professors.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
said we can certainly consider the amendments
on meiits when we reach that stage. That does
not mean that I am not going to accept amend-
ments. I also said that any amendment which
is going to change the character of the legis-
lation at this stage is very difficult for me to
accept.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Merit
should not be ignored.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : No.
In principle, I agree with that.
The next point is about the proposal to
have four companies. I know that it is not a
very fundamental problem for me also. This
is not an issue on which we can say that we
have got fundamental differences. It is a
question of making a new approach to the
problem, when you are trying to judge
the performance and the field of com-
petition, I am afraid people are still prisoners
of the -past. They only think in terms of
premium cutting, corruption and other things.
Even in a socialist economy, in a socialist
society, them can be a competition in giving
better service to the customer. I do not under-
stand why there is a misgiving on this. There

is no question here of cutting premium etc ;
but certainly it is a question of the Corpora-
tion giving better service to the people. Mere
nationalisation does not mean improvement
in the service to the customer. Even today
I hear complaints about the nationalised batiks
because the standard of service to the custo-
mers is somewhat deficient. So when I say
there would be competition, I certainly mean,
let us try and look to the future. The com-
petition will be ip giving better service to the
people. We are not going to confine our
activities merely to the field in which the
present general insurance is operating. We
will have to go to somenew areas. As I had
said while moving the Motion in connection
with the previous Bill, in days to come we
will have to go into new areas of social
service. In the case of agriculture, possibly
we will have to do something, not immedia-
tely perhaps . But certainly these are the areas
to be tapped. You are creating a new instru-
ment to approach the new problem of general
insurance in a new manner Therefore, it is
much essential that we have the idea of
competition as far as service to the customers
is concerned. We merely look to the past,
how one company tried to compete with the
other by jutting premium, trying to corrupt
and bribe people to be their customers— as if
this is going to be continued You are forget-
ting that you are nationalising the industry.

When you are nationalising an industry,
you are making a qualitative change in it,
and when you are making a qualitative change
in it, certainly you expect certain new
functions and standards from them. When 1
say there is an clement of competition, it is
not a competition in premia. This, really
speaking, will be a competition in positive
service to the customers and attracting custo-
mers on the basis of efficiency and service to
them. Many hon. Members have asked me.
Which Is the fiq|d you are thinking ip terms
of competition ? This the most important
field in which I am thinking in terms of
competition.

But, at the same time, as I said, this is
not something very fundamental. After the
working of tie corporation, if one again
comes back to the fueling that it is not
working in the way it should work. Parlia-
ment can always consider it. I am not
standing on any question of prestige. But, at
the present moment, I am certainly committed

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[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavap|

to it, that it is necessarjrito make a goat
this idea and see how we pan make compe*
tition in giving qualitative service to the
customers, in the general insurance field.
That is the next point.

Some hon. Members made certain
suggestions. One comment was about trans-
ferning people from one corporation or one
company to the other.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE You
have accepted the amendment.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
have accepted it. There is unnecessary misun-
derstanding. As a matter of fact, the idea
was that it can only be done at the very ini-
tial stage, when the corporation is formed
and when, at the higher level, certain talents
are to be distributed in different companies,
and if somebody refuses to come, the Govern-
ment will also have that power. We do not
want anybody to feel that the Government
is superimposing itself on the corporation, and
I accepted that criticism, and I have myself
brought the amendment to the effect that in
the place of the Central Government there
will be the corporation. So, Mr. Dandavate,
you can see that I am reasonable wherever a
criticism is acceptable on merits.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : After 3 O*
clock.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
When I saw that such an amendment has not
been moved, I moved one. ( Interruption )
If you bad moved that amendment, I would
accept it. I will not move again ; I am not
bothered. But I did try to see if anybody
has moved that amendment »to that effect.
When I saw that nobody has moved, I thought
it better to move it.

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : My amendment
was to delete clause 22 and re-number the
subsequent clauses.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
You are trying to delete the entire clause. I
am not deleting the entire clause. I am sub-
stitu log, in the place of Government, the
corporation.

These are the two or three important points
which I wanted to make. I do not think
it needs a very elaborate answer as far as
compensation is concerned...

SHRI VASANT SATHE : Now that we
are going to have four companies to compete
healthily, I hope there will be no competition
in terms of their emoluments and wages, etc.
Will they be clarified ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
There should not be any competition. I wish
on the workers* side— you are a trade union
leader— you had better assure me that there
will not be any competition.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : If
you pay less wages, we will demand more.
( Interruption )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques-
tion is :

"That the Bill to provide for ihe acquisi-
tion and transfer of shares of Indian
insurance companies and undertakings
of other existing insurers in order to serve
better the needs of the economy by secur-
ing the development of general insurance
business in the best interests of the com-
munity and to ensure that the operation
of the economic system does not result in
concentration of wealth to the common
detriment, for the regulation and control
of such business and for matters connect*
ed therewith or incidental thereto, as
reported by the Joint Committee, be
takea into consideration.*’

The motion was adopted \

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : As I said,
1 do not want to be rigid. We will accept
Mr. Dandavate’s amendment although receiv-
ed late. You bring them up here please. If

1 can read and decipher them, well and good.
If I cannot, I will just put them to the
House.

Now, there are no amendments to clause

2 to 6. The question is :

"That clauses 2 to 6 stand part of file
Bill."

The motbn was adopted .

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: Clause {Transfer of Service of
existing employees in certain cases )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are
amendments given notice of by Shri Somnath
Chatteijee and Shri S.M. Banerjee. Are you
moving them ? They have been circulated.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 1
move :

Page 5, line 15—
add at the end —

“but such alteration shall not be
less advantageous to such officer or
employee” (1)

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I move :

Page 5—

omit lines 31 to 36. (8)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Danda-
vate's amendment is not before me. That is
the difficulty. Why don’t you bring them
up ? We are held up because one amend-
ment is not here. Well, I think it is better
we adjourn the House for some time until all
the amendments are ready.

Why don’t you bring them back ?

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I have moved
my amendment No. 8. You are not allowing
them to go to a court of law.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shall we
adjourn the proceedings for sometime until
Mr. Dandavate’s amendment comes ? It
creates difficulties for the Chair. Members
have to give notice before 3 ; they should
send them in time so that they could be
circulated. They do not give them in time.
These are the difficulties. I do not know
what the number of Mr. Dandavate's amend-
ment is. Shall 1 put...

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : My amend-
ment No. 8—1 have moved. That sub-clause
of clause 7 does not actually preclude him
from going to a court of law. But I request
the hon. Minister to kindly let us know why

there is this provision. The clause reads :

1 'Notwithstanding anything contained in
the Industrial Disputes Act, 1947 or in
any other law for the time being in force,
the transfer of the services of any officer
• or other employee... shall not entitle any
such officer or other employee to any
compensation .. and no such claim shall
be entertained by any court, tribunal or
other authority.”

My submission is that an employee is
denied his right under article 311 or the right
of natural justice under article 226, by which
an employee is authorised even to go before
the Supreme Court. By this clause we say
that employees of the general insurance cor-
poration could not possibly approach any
court of taw. I request the hon. Minister to
reconsider this matter, and think de nove and
take legal opinion whether this will be an
infringement of the fundamental right, whether
this is not in consonance with our declared
policy on fundamental rights guaranteed
under the Constitution. Therefore, I have
moved this amendment.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I
have moved my amendment No. 1

As I said, my amendment is for the
addition of a few words at the end of sub-
clause 1. Clause 7 says that after the trans-
fer of the existing employees in certain cases
they will be governed by the same terms and
conditions but that their terms and conditions
can be altered. What we want to provide
here is that such alterations shall not be less
advantageous to such officers or employees.
It may be said that there may be highly paid
officers and it may not be necessary to conti-
nue then. But there is a provision to put
an end to onerous contracts and under that
the corporation can get rid of those employees
or suitably alter their terms and conditions. The
ordinary employees shou[d be given the statu-
tory assurance that their terms and conditions
and remuneration would not be altered in a
manner less advantageous to them. At least
I should like to have an assurance from the
hon. Minister on that. At least that part,
so far as ordin|ry workmen and employees
are concerned, should be accepted.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I beg
to move ;

“Clause No. 7(3) should be deleted.” (36)

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299 General Irnur a tw^ Business AUGUSl

SRRI YESHWANlfiAO CHAVAN :
The purpose of this clftuse is very obvious.
As we have to re-structure the present in-
surance companies we have got at the present
moment 107 insurance Companies which we
have to convert into one oorporation and four
companies-naturatly it would be necessary to
transfer people. f Therefore, what we have
done is, in such cases, people should not go to
the court and delay the whole process of re-
structuring and integration. Therefore, we have
said that they will not be able 1 to go to a court
or tribunal.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : But nobody
can be stopped from going to court under
article 226.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 1
cannot take away that right. That is a different
matter.

About the other point, this question was
raised at the the Select Committee level. I had
given an assurance there and I certainly would
like to repeat it here that at least in the case
of Class III and Class IV employees, their
interests, i. e. their existing salaries, will be
protected. In view of what I have said, I
cannot accept the amendments.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will put
these amendments Nos. 1 and 8 and 36 of
Prof. Madhu Dandavate to clause 7.

Amendments No. 1, 8 and 36 were put and
negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question

ism

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You have
mentioned the name only of Prof. Dandavate.
You have not mentioned my name.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Suddenly you
wake up and say that you heard only Prof.
Dandavate's name. If an alert member like
Mr. Banerjee day-dreams, then I think there is
something very wrong with us.

The question is :

‘That clause 7 stand ifcrt of the Bill."

The motion was adopted.

Clause 7 was added to the Bill .
Clauses 8 to 10 were added to the Bill .

28, 1972

Clause 11 — (Amounts to be paid for
transfer and vesting of shares or m
undertakings )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are a
number of amendments. Mr. Chatterjce, are
you moving all the three of your amendments ?

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Yes,
Sir.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Naik is
not there. I do not think there is any amend-
ment by Prof. Dandavate to this clause.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg
to move :

Page 6, —

for lines 40 to 45, substitute—

“11, (1) for the transfer of the shares
of each Indian insurance company to,
and vesting in, the Central Govern-
ment, under Section 4, there shall
be paid by the Central Government
to the Corporation such amount as
will be required to pay to the mem-
bers of such company whose total
share holding does not exceed twenty
five thousand rupees in value to the
extent of their respective share hold-
ing not exceeding such value." (2)

Page 6 and 7,—

for lines 46 to 49 and lines 1 and 2 respec-
tively,— substitute—

“(2) For the transfer to, and vesting
in, the Central Government, under
Section 5, of the undertaking of
each existing insurer, who is not an
Indian insurance company, there shall
be paid by the Central Government
to the Corporation, for payment to
such existing insurers, subject to sub-
section (3) of this section, one thou-
sand rupees for each such such in-
surer.” (3)

Page 7,—

after line 2, insert—

“(3) For the transfer to.
and vesting in, the Central

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Government, under Section 5, of the
undertaking of Life Insurance Cor-
poration in so far as it relates to the
general insurance business carried on
by it and of an existing insurer who
is a Co-operative Society and of an
existing insurer not falling within any
of the foregoing provisions in this
section, there shall be paid by the
Central Government to the Corpora-
tion, for payment to the Life In-
surance Corporation and to an
existing insurer covered by this sub-
section, the amount specified against
such insurer in the corresponding
entry under column 3 of Part A of the
Schedule’* (4)

Clause 11 deals with the amounts to be
paid for transfer and vesting of shares or under-
takings. There are two sub-clauses, the first deal-
ing with Indian insurance companies and the se-
cond dealing with the foreign insurance compa-
nies cooperative societies, etc. We did not have
the detailed break-up of the shareholdings
the percentage of small shareholders etc.
Only now the minister gave us some sample
figures. We have provided in clause 11 that
only certain types of shareholder will be
paid compensation and only for payment to
them monies will be provided, and not huge
amounts as have been mentioned in Part A
of the Schedule. So far as foreign insurance
companies are concerned, I do not remember
hearing the hon. Minister giving any reply as to
on what basis the amount in Schedule B has
been fixed as their shares are not being taken up.
The only reply which the hon. Minister gave
was with regard to the shareholders’ right being
taken up So far as foreign insurance com-
panies arc concerned, that explanation cannot
apply ; that answer does not deal with the
question as to what has been taken over by
the foreign insurance companies, what was
the value of their undertakings, how much
money they have realised in the past and how
much money they have repatriated to their
respective countries. As these figures are not
available, we have provided a token payment
of Rs. 1,000 in respect of foreign companies,
and that is item No. 3 of the amendment;

I have suggested a consequential amend-
ment in item No. 4 to preserve the right of
L1C in relation to its general insurance
•business, co-operative societies and other types
of societies that we have mentioned in Part

B of the Schedule. That is why we are
pressing this amendment. We say that there
is no rational basis which has been disclosed
here nor has fhe hon. Minister in his reply
come out with the real basis of compensation
So, we press these amendments.

•

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, thinking
that these amendments will serve the cause
for which we are fighting, we have also decided
to support the amendment. Even in the Select
Committee 1 was unable to understand the
basis on which the compensation was arrived
at, whether you call it amount or compensa-
tion. Even the arguments advanced by the
companies, which was spearheaded by an
eminent lawyer like Shri Palkhiwala, mentioned
that the market value would be Rs. 138 crores
and they demanded Rs. 87 crores. Ultimately
it was fixed at Rs. 33 crores. Then, suddently
for reasons better known to the government,
one explanation is that it i& to remove the'
disparity between the Indian and foreign
insurance companies, another sum of Rs. 5
crores and odd was added and that is how
the total compensation amount became Rs. 38
crores odd.

The hon. Minister just now said that 94
or 95 per cent of the shares in some companies
were held by people who own shares worth
Rs. 5,000 or less. We put this question at
the Select Committee We wanted to have a
list of a few people, let it be 4,000 or 400 or
even 40, who are solely dependent on their
dividends. We were not given that informa-
tion. Not even Shri Palkhiwala, who was so
eloquently championing the cause of the
poor people, or Shri J. R. D. Tata who shed
so much tears for the poor people, could
provide us a list of that.

Then, I say that those people who have
got shares to theftune of Rs. 4,000 or 5,000
in insurance companies are not middle class
people, though they originally belonged to the
middle class. I come from a middle class
family and I wat> a government employee. Out
of 38 lakh government employees there may
be about 100 people who have got shares in
the insurance companies. If I have got some
money I will invest it in the national savings
certificate or cash certificates. So, if a correct
analysis is made of those persons who have
got shares in insurance companies, it will be
found that they have shares worth Rs. 5,000
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company and so on, anil they are not solely
depending on that. We oppose this clause
and we say that the cortpensation should not
be increased.

SHRI YE&HWANTRAO CHAVAN :
The hon. Member, Shri Somnath Chatterjee,
has moved three amendments, namely, amend-
ment Nos. 2, 3 and 4. In tht first amendment
he says that shareholders with a paid-up
capital of less than Rs. 25,000 shall get only
the paid-up capital and those who have got
above that shall get nothing. That is what he
wants to say, in the case of foreign company.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I
suggested that for lack of material. You have
not given us any material. That is the diffi-
culty. You are keeping the House in the
dark.

17.00 hrs.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
Now, in case of undertakings, he says, only
because there are no share-holdings there, we
are taking over undertakings and, therefore,
he has generusly agreed to give them Rs.
1000 each. This will be not in consonance
with our approach in this matter.,,

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Why
not ?

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN :
Naturally. There is an understanding that if
at all we take over, we pay them a fair
amount and also prompt payment. Therefore,
to accept this amendment would be comple-
tely going back on our own policy. Once we
don’t agree to accept amendment No. 3,
amendment No. 4 automatically goes.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, 1 put
amendment Nos. 2, 3 and 4 to clause 1 1
moved by Shri Somnath Chatterjee to the
vote of the House.

Amendments Nos . 2 to 4 were put
and negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I then put
clause 11 to the vote of the House. The ques-
tion is :

“That clause 11 stand part of the Bill".

The Lok Sabha divided :

Division No. 7] AYES [17-06 hrs,

*Ambesh, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Babunath Singh, Shri
Banamali Baba, Shri
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai
Bhandare, Shri R. D.

Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu
Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh
Cbavan, Shri Yeswantrao
Chawla, Shri Araar Nath
Daga, Shri M. C.

Dalbir Singh, Shri
Dalip Singh, Shri
Das, Shri Anadi Charan
Dixit, Shri, G. C.

Doda, Shri Hiralal
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ganesh, Shri K. R,

Gautam, Shri C. D.

Godara, Shri Mani Ram
Gohain, Shri C. C.

Gotkhinde, Shri Annasaheb
Hari Ki>hore Singh, Shri
Jadeja, Shri D. P.

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.

Jeyalakshmi. Shrimati V.

Joshi, Shri Popatlal M.

Kadannappalli, Shri Ramachandran
Kader, Shri S A.

Kailas, Dr.

Kakodar, Shri Purushottam
Kakoti, Shri Robin
Kale, Shri

Kamala Prasad, Shri ,

Kavde, Shri B. R.

Khadilkar, Shri R. K.

Kulkarni, Shri Raja
Kureel, Shri B. N.

Lakkappa, Shri K.

Laskar, Shri Nihar
Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini
Malaviya, Shri K. D.

Mandat, Shri Jagdish Narain
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad
Mehta, Dr. Mabipatray
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra, ShrfG. S.

Mishra, Shri Jagannath

*He voted by mistake from a wrong seat and later Informed the Speaker accordingly

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Misra, Shri S. N*

Modi, Shri Shrikishan
Mohsin, Shri P. H.

Negi f Sbrj Pratap Singh
Oraon, Shri Tuna
Panday, Shri Damodar
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain
Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar
Pratap Singh, Shri
Parthasarathy, Shri P.

Peje, Shri S. L.

Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shafi
Rai f Shrimati Sahodrabai
Raj, Bahadur, Shri
Rajdeo Singh, Shri
Ram, Shri Tulmohan
Ram Dhan. Shri
Ram Surat Prasad, Shri
Rana, Shri M. B.

Rao, Shri Jagannath
Rao, Shri K Narayana
Rao, Shri Nageswara
Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Prasada
Raut, Shri Bhola
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha
Reddy, Shri P. V.

Richhariya, Dr. Govind Das
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri
Sadhh Ram, Shri
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sathe, Shri Vasant
Satish Chandra, Shri
Sethi, Shri Arjun
Shankaranand, Shri B.

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma, Dr. H. P.

Sharma, Shri Madhoram
Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore
Shiva Candika, Shri
Shukla, Shri B. R.

Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Sohan Lai, Shri T.

Stephen, Shri C. M.

Subramaniam, Shri C.

Suryanarayana, Shri K.

Swaminathan, Shri R. V.

Tarodekar, Shri V. D.

Tayyab Hussain, Shri
Tivtary, Shri K. N.

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P.

Vekaria, Shri

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Venkatswamy, Shri G.

Vidyalankar, Shri Amarnath
Virbhadra Singh, Shri
Yadav, Shri R P.

NOES

•

Bade, Shri R. V.

Banerjee, Shri S. M.

Bhagirath Bhagwar, Shri
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish
Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P.

Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath
Chowhan, Shri Bharat Singh
Dandavate, Prof. Madhu
Dutta, Shri Biren
Haidar, Shri Krishna Chandra
Mehta, Shri P. M.

Mody, Shri Piloo
Mohammad Ismail, Shri
Mukerjee, Shri H. N.

Mukherjee, Shri Samar
Patel, Shri H. M.

Ramkanwar, Shri
Roy, Dr. Saradish
Saha, Shri Gadadhar
Sambhali, Shri Ishaque
Singh, Shri D. N.

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The result*
of the Division is :

Ayes 113 ;

Noes 24.

The motion ms adopted .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Clause 11
stands part of the Bill.

Clause 11 added to the Bill .

Clause 12— (Disbursement of amounts hy
Corporation)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ; I beg
to move

Page 7, lines 7 to 10,—

for *‘(2) The Corporation shall distri-
bute the amount paid to it under
section 11, to the shareholders of

•The following members also recorded their votes for AYES

Sarvashri Kartik Oraon, Paripoornanand Painuli, Shyam Sunder Mohapatra and La|ji Bhai.

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each Indian insurance company and
to each existing insurer, who is not
an Indian insurance company, in
accordance with their rights and
interests'*

substitute * —

“(2) The Corporation shall distribute
the amount paid to it under section
11, to the shareholders of each
Indian insurance company whose
shareholding does not exceed in
aggregate twenty-five thousand rupees
in value to the extent of their res-
pective shareholding and to each
existing insurer, the amount men-
tioned in sub-section (2) of section
11” (5)

Page 7, -

after line 14, insert —

“Explanation.— The value of shares
mentioned in section 11 and in this
section shall mean the value actually
paid for the allotment of shares."
( 6 )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now
put amendments Nos. 5 and 6 to Clause 12
by Shri Somnath Chatterjee to the vote of the
House.

Amendments Nos 5 and 6 were put and
negatived,

MR. DEPUTY-SPEKER : The question,
is :

“That Clause 12 staod part of the Bill.”

The motion was* adopted.

Chaise 12 was added to the Bill.

Clause 13 — (Mode of payment)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg
to move

Page 7, lines 21 to 25.—

emit* 9 , and where it exceeds twenty-
five thousand rupees, each such member

shall be paid twentyHflee thousand
rupees and the balance of the amount
due to such member shall be
paid to him in three equal
annual instalments, the first of which
shall fall due on the appointed day” (7)

Page 8,-

omit lines 6 to 9. (ID)

So far as payment of amount is concerned.
Clause 13, as it stands, provides that, where
the amount exceeds twenty-five thousand
rupees, each such member shall be paid
twenty-five thousand rupees and the balance
of the amount due shall be paid to him in
three equal annual instalments. I want this
part to be deleted.

Then a provision has been made for pay-
ment of interest at the rate of four per Cent
per annum. The hon. Minister has made
certain observations about the rate of interest.
I submit that sufficient amount is already
being provided to them and there is no
justification for payment of further amount
by way of interest to the big business houses.

Therefore, I request that my amendments
may be accepted.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
am not accepting them

MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER : I shall now
put amendments Nos. 7 and 10 moved by Shri
Somnath Chatterjee to clause 13 to the vote of
the House.

Amendments Nos. 7 and 10 were put and
negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put
clauses 13, 14, and 15 together to the vote of
the House.

The question is :

“That Clauses 13, 14 and 15 stand part of

the Bill."

The motion was adopted ,

Clauses 13 to 15 were added to the Bill-

Clause 16 -(Schemes for mergers of com -
ponies etc.)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg
to move :

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i Page 8,—

/or lines 40 to 42, substitute—

“(a) 4he maciger in the Corporation
of any Indian insurance company 1 *
( 11 ).

Page 8, line 43,—

for “acquiring company*’ subsitute —
“Corporation” (12)

Page 8,-

0/nil lines 47 to 49. (13)

Page 9,-

omit lines 1 to 5. (14)

Page 9, line 6,—

for “acquiring company” substitute—
•‘Corporation” (15)

Page 9, line 14, —

add at the end —

“but not in a manner which will be
less advantageous compared to the
existing pay scales and other terms
and conditions” (18)

Prge 9, line 15, —

for “acquiring company” substitute
“Corporation” (19)

Page 9, line 19,—

for “acquiring company” substitute
“Corporation” (20)

Page 9, —

omit lines 26 to 44. (21)

Page 10, line 1,—

for “acquiring company” substitute
“Corporation” (22)

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I beg to move:
Page 9,—

omit lines 26 to 30- (16)

Page 9 and 10,—

omit lines 45 to 47 and 1 to 4 respect-
ively. (17)

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I beg
to move :

Substitute Clause No. 16(l)g by the
following :

“(g) the introduction of uniform pay
scales at a level higher than the
highest existing and other service
conditions of such officers and other
employees, wherever necessary in
consultation with the employees’
representatives.” (37)

For Clause 16(2), substitute the
following :

“In framing schemes under Sub-
section (1), the object of the Central
Government shall be to ensure that
there is only a single autonomous
corporation in existence with
uniform standardised wages for its
employees.” (38)

Clause No. 16 (4) should be deleted . (39)

Clause No. 16 (5) should be deleted . (40)

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I would like
to confine myself to Clause 16, i.e., scheme
for reorganisation of general insurance busi-
ness. During the course of the debate, my
hon. friends, Shri Indrajit Gupta, Shri
Somnath Chatterjee and the others who
spoke, with the exception of one or two,
supported the idea of having one corporation.
We have been pleading not because of the
employees, not because the employees’
organisations have suggested they should be
brought under group, one autonomous cor-
poration and not four companies, but because
of the observations made during the debate
during discussions in the Joint Select Com-
mittee also. Having given a serious thought,
we came to the conclusion that if we have
four companies, it will be a retrograde step.
I follow the observations made by this
Government, by the Treasury Benches or by
hon. Members several times in this House
about public sector units. 1 find that they
want th&t there should be more centralisation
and less bureaucratisation. ’ Four companies
— what does it mean 7 One Corporation
with four companies would mean that there
will be five companies, one being the corpo-
ration itself, and the bureaucracy will have a
field day and their number will grow more
and more. If ^our idea is to reduce the
overhead charges on the top-heavy adminis-
tration, either on the basis of the ARC report
or any other report— Mr. Hanumanthaiya
is here — then, there should not be four
companies. This idea has been mooted
primarily by the private sector who were

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owning these insurance companies and
secondly, by the bureaucrats who wish to have
a good day all the time and by forming this
corporation this way, 1 still feel that the time
is not far when the bad results of this will
be realised by r the Government. But that
will be too late. Am I to understand that
because in the Life Insurance Corporation
there is only one Corporation with Zonal
Offices, Divisional Offices and District Offices
which are not functioning efficiently, I should
take it that this is a wrong conception and
this should be divided also into four
companies ? If the Life Insurance Corpo-
ration is functioning correctly and if we do
not want to add to the overhead charges and
top-heavy administration and bureaucrati-
sation, this suggestion should be accepted and
there should be only one autonomous corpo-
ration.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : So
far as these four companies being brought
into existence ; the explanation given by the
hon. Minister is that there should be com-
petition. What will happen ? There will be
top-heavy administration in five different
undertakings doing similar type of work. So
far as the competition is concerned, will there
be competition in making profits, more and
more profits ? How can they stop the
internecine — I do not know — competition ?
How will you increase the efficiency as such
by having four companies ? What is the
magical formula that will be applied by having
four or five companies in different cities doing
similar business ? I could have understood
if these different types of companies were
allotted different types of insurance work. I
have raised that question. The hon. Minister
has not replied to that. Therefore, ail these
companies will be doing similar or identical
type of business. There w iii be five sets of
officers from the top jto the bottom, from the
Chairman of the companies or concerns,
Board of Directors, the Board of management
and everything for all these companies and all
the top-heavy administration we shall be
having. This will certainly not result in
greater efficiency in service teethe customers.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : In
addition to the amendment proposing a single
autonomous corporation, I have two addi-
tional amendments to clause 16. One is :
16(I)(g) to be substituted by :

* 4 (g) the introduction of uniform pay
scales at a level higher than the
highest existing and other service
conditions of such officers and
other employees, wherever necessary
in consultation with the employees*
representatives.”

This is only to ensure uniformity and also
consultation with the representatives of the
employees.

Then, there is also another amendment in
clause 16(4). It is proposed in the original
clause for three months* remuneration as
compensation when he is not satisfied with the
rationalisation or revision of pay scales and
other terms and conditions of service. I
suggest that this clause be deleted.

The third clause is 16(5). Of course;
7(3) was deliberated and it was defeated.
This is only a consequential clause.

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
oppose all the amendments.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I request
that my amendment No. 16 may be put to
the vote of the House separately. We do not
want four companies.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Apart from
that all the other amendments can be put
together.

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I
want to know from the Finance Minister
whether he is opposed to evolve some
machinery to see that uniformity of wages and
emoluments are ensured

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : It
is not necessary to have any legislation for
that. There are certain matters which can be
dealt with without legislation.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now
put Mr. Banerjee’s amendment No. 16 to the
vote of the House. Then I will put all the
other amendments together.

Now, the questions is :

‘Page 9,—

"omit lines 26 to 30.” ' (16)

The Lok Sabha divided :

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Division No. g.] AYES [17.21 hrs

Bade, Sbrl R. V.

Banerjce, Shri S. M.

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri
Bhattacharyya. Shri Jagadish
Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P.

Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath
Dandavate, Prof. Madhu
Dutta, Shri Biren
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra
Kachwai, Shri Hukam Chand
Lalji Bhai, Shri
Manjhi Shri, Bhola
Mehta, Shri P. M.

Mukerjee, Shri H. N.

Mukherjee, Shri Samar
Roy, Dr. Saradish
Shah, Shri Gadadhar
SambhaJi, Shri Ishaque
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh

NOES

Ambesh, Shri
Austin, Dr. Henry
Babunath Singh, Shri
Banamali Babu, Shi i
Barua, Shri Bedabrata
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai
Basappa, Shri K.

Basumatari, Shri D.
Bhandare, Shri R. D.
Bhuvarahan, Shri G.

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh
Buta Singh, Shri
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B.
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai
Chaudhay, Shrj Nitiraj Singh
Chavan. Shri Yeshwantrao
Chawla, Shri Amar Nath
Daga, Shri M. C.

Dalip Singh. Shri
Das, Shri Anadi Charan
Desai, Shri D. D.

Dixit, Shri G. C.

Doda, Shri Hiralal
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar
Ganesh, Shri K. R
Gangadeb, Shri P.

Gautam, Shri C. D.

Godara, Shri Mani Ram
Gokhale, Shri H. R.
Gotkhinde. Shri Annasaheb

Gowda, Shri Pampan
Hanumanthaiya, Shri K.

Hari Kishore Singh, Shri
Hari Singh, Shri
Jadeja, Shri D. P.

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md.
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V.

Joshi, Shri Popatlal MP.
Kadannappalli, Shri Ramchandran
Kedar Shri S. A.

Kailash, Dr,

Kakodkar. Shri Purushottam
Kakoti. Shri Robin
Kalingarayar, Shri Mohanraj
Kamala Prasad, Shri
Kamble, Shri T. D.

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K.
Kumaramangalam, Shri S. Mohan
Kureel, Shri B. N.

Lakkappa, Shri K.

Laskar, Shri Nihar
Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini
Malviya, Shri K. D.

Malianna, Shri K.

Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad
Maurya, Shri B. P.

Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti
Mishra, Shri G. S
Mishra, Shri Jagannath
Mishra Shri S. N.

Modi, Shri Shrikishan
Mody, Shri Piloo
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder
Mohsin, Shri F. H.

Naik, Shri B. V.

Negi , Shri Pratap Singh
Oraon, Shri Tuna
Painuli, Shri Paripoornanand
Pandey, Shri Damodar
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain
Pandey. Shri Tarkeshwar
Paokai Haokip, SJiri
Partap Singh, Shri
Parthasarathy, Shri P.

Patel, Shri H. M.

Patel, Shri Prabhudas
Patil, Shri S. B.

Peje, Shri S. L.

Qureshi, Shri Mohd Shafi
Rai, Shrimati Sabodrabai
Raj Bahadur, Shri
Rqjdeo Singh, Shri
Ram Dhan, Shri
Ram Surat Prasad, Shri

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Ramkanwar, Shri
Sana, Sbri M. B.

Rao. Shri Jagannath
Rao, Shri K, Narayana
Rao, Shri Nageswara
Rao, Shri P. Ankmeeda Prasada
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh
Raut, Shri Bhcfta
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimlfa
Reddy, Shri P. V. *

Rohatgi, Sbrimati Su&hila
Roy, Shri Bishwanath
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri
Sadhu Ram, Shri
Saini, Shri Mulki Raj
Salve, Shri N. K. P.

Samanta, Shri S. C.

Sethe, Shri Vasant
Satish Chandra, Shri
Sethi, Shri Arjun
Shambhu Nath, Shri
Shankaranand, Shri B.

Sharma, Shri A. P.

Sharma, Shri Madhorarn
Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore
Shenoy, Shri P. R.

Shetty, Shri K. K.

Shiva Candika, Shri
Shukla, Shri B. R.

Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap
Stephen, Shri C. M.

Sudarsanam, Shri M.

Suryanarayana, Shri K.

Swaminathan, Shri R. V.

Swami Shri Sidrameshwar
Tayyab Hussain, Shri
Tiwari, Shri R G.

Tiwary Shri K. N.

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P.

Vekaria, Shri
Venkatswamy, Shri G.

Vidyalankar, Shri Amarnath
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra
Virbhadra Singh, Shri
Viswanathan, Shri Q.

Yadav, Shri R. P.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The result* of
the division is :

Ayes : 21 ; Noes : 136

The motion was negatived .

( Nationalisation ) Bill 316

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 sbaH now
put the rest of the amendments to clause 16 to
vote.

Amendments Nos . II to 15 , 17 to 22
and 37 to 40 were put and
negatived .

a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That clause 16 stand part of the Bill*’.
The motion was adopted.

Clause 16 was added to the Bill.

Clause 17 was added to the Bill .

Clause 1%— (Functions of Corporation )

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I
beg to move :

Page 10, —

for clause 18, substitute —

“18. The functions of the Corpora-
tion shall be the carrying on of the
general insurance business in a
manner as will secure that such
business is developed to the best
advantage of the community.’*. (23)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now
put this amendment to the vote of the House.

Amendment No 23 was / ut and
negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no
amendment to clause 19. So, I shall put
clauses 18 and 19 together to vote.

The question is :

“That clauses 18 and 19 stand part of the
Bill”.

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 18 and 19 were aided to the BilL

•Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan also recorded his vote for NOES.

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Clause “XU— (Balance of profit how
to be utilised )

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg
to move :

Page II,—

(i) omit lines 6 to 11,

(ii) line 12, for “(2)” substitute “20”.
(24)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now
put this amendment to the vote of the
House.

Amendment No. 24 was put and

negatived.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no
amendment to clause 21. I shall therefore,
put both clause 20 and clause 21 together to
vote.

The question is :

“That clauses 20 and 21 stand part of the
Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 20 and 21 were added to the Bill.

Clause 22— (Acquiring companies to
have the exclusive privilege of carry-
ing on general insurance

business)

Amendment made :

Page 11, line 38—

for “Central Government” substitute—
“Corporation”. (35)

(Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question
is :

“That clause 22, as amended, stand part
of the Bill.”

The motion was adopted.

Clause 22. as amended, was added to the

Bill.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, we
come to clause 23. Is Shri Somnath Chat-
terjee moving his amendment 7

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I am
not moving any of my amendments up to
clause 31.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That makes
things easy.

The question is :

“That clauses 23 to 31 stand part of the

Bill." *

The motion was adopted.

Clauses 23 to 31 were added to the Bill.

Clauses 32 to 40 were added to the Bill.

The Schedule

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg
to move :

Page 18 —

omit lines 1 to 49. (34)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He is moving
only this amendment ? He is not moving the
other two amendments, namely amendments
Nos. 32 and 33 ?

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : No,
Sir. I have moved only amendment No. 34.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now
put amendment No. 34 to the vote of the
House.

Amendment No. 34 was put and negatived .

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are no
other amendments to the rest of the Bill.

The question is :

“That the Schedufe, clause 1, the Enacting

Formula and the Title stand part of the

Bill.”

The motion was adopted .

The Schedule, clause 7, the Enacting

Formula and the Title were added
to the Bill

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I
move :

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”

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( Nationalisation ) Bill 320

SHRI H. N. MUKERJfffi (Calcutta-North
East) : On a point of orders, Rule 93(2) says
that when a Bill has undergone amendments,
the motion that the Bill, as amended, be
passed shall not be moved on the same day
on which the consideration of the Bill is con-
cluded, unless the Speaker allows the motion
to be made. It nftans, therefore, that the
Speaker, in his special dispensation, gives a
decree to that effect and on this occasion, all
that we have been vouchsafed & that Govern-
ment wishes to have this Bill rushed through
this House.

We have been told also that the Govern-
ment has got a very benevolent intention of
getting this Bill passed as quickly as possible
through the Rajya Sabha. But 1 feel that this
kind of reference to the Rajya Sabha in order
to bamboozle the Lok Sabha is entirely anta-
gonistic to the tradition of the British House
of Commons which we wish to follow. In
Britain, in any reference to the other House,—
they sometimes call it the 'other place* because
it is not recognised even as the other House
as compared to the Lower House — would be
treated as absolutely improper. But here we
are told we have got to get this Bill through
the Rajya Sabha and therefore we should rush
ahead with it. This kind of thing goes on
repeatedly. When a measure of this description
is before the House the Third Reading discus-
sion is an important aspect of the deliberations.
Therefore, from the point of view of principle
and also from the point of view of procedure,
I submit it cannot be done. We are already
at 5.28 or so. Therefore, it should wait till
tomorrow. If necessary. Government can go
to the Rajya Sabha and tell them to sit
another day. There is no harm in that. This
House also can sit for another day, if it r
becomes necessary. If the Speaker is absent,
you should take the Chair and conduct the
proceedings. There is nothing t on earth to
prevent that from being done. If this kind of
measure is rushed through this House in this
way, a measure which was brought forth
reprobation as a symptom of Government’s
hesitation, indecision and mischievousness, I
for one refuse to be a party to it. This is
what I want to place before you in my point
of order, that it cannot be done today.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : From the very beginning, we have
experienced similar treatment. It was there
during the last session also. We want to

know : did you have a motion before you
tabled by aay member from the Treasury
Benches, the ruling party, seeking suspension
of rule 90(2) ? If so, did you give consent to
it ? It should not be said that as an after-
thought that hitherto it is being done. This
should not be done in a haphazard way. We
want a clear and categorical answer : did you
have any motion before this was moved ? If
so, what was your ruling 7 Have you suspended
rule 90(2) ? If you have, I am afraid I have
to point out, with due respect to the Chair,
that you are incompetent to do it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order,
please.

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : I sup-
port both the hon . Members.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have no
motion...

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : What was
the last word he used ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Order
please.

I have no such motion before me. I do
not require any such motion before me. It
has been the practice in this House many
times, umpteen times, that Bills, to which
amendments have been accepted, have been
passed on the same day.

Now, I see no special gain in holding it
over till tomorrow.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Are you
depriving us of the right that we have to
express ourselves on this occasion ? It is about
5.30 now and we have to take up a half hour
discussion. It is a matter of principle. I do
not usually raise points of order in this
House because I know the limitations of this
House ; at the same time, there are certain
matters of principle. I do not wish to be
bamboozled in this House— the way in which
Government tries to do it. I cannot under-
stand the manner in which we have to
function these days. If they want the presiden-
tial system of government, let them go ahead
with it. I do not care.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The point is,
practice. This is what we have been practising.
Unless there- ( Interrupts ns)

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Business

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU On a point
of order,

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You read the
rule book only now. But there have been
many, many Bills in which this practice was
followed. I have said that unless there is some
very special reason, 1 see no gain in it. In
any case, we are in the third reading of the
Bill.

SHRI PILOO MODY : I want to say a
few words.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : On this
ruling ? ( Interruption ) As far as this point
is concerned, I have given the ruling.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : In the third
Lok Sabha, this rule has come up on many
occasions. I do not understand why it should
not be followed now. In the third Lok Sabha,
I remember this especially. I brought up this
rule because I recollect it very clearly. What
happened in the third Lok Sabha on many
occasions was this. I do not, of course,
exactly remember the particular Bill and so
on. ( Interruption )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In any case,
we are reaching— (Interruption)

AN HON. MEMBER : One word —

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER On this
point ? I have given my ruling.

SHRI R. V, BADE (Khargone) : Sir —

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : On this, I
have given my ruling If it is something else,
you can speak.

SHRI R. V. BADE : In practice, nobody
has raised any objection. Now, the hon.
Member, Shri Mukerjee, has raised an
objection. Let the Speaker take note of it.
(Interruption)

AN HON. MEMBER : He is not here.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So what ?
(Interruption)

SHRI PILOO MODY: That is the
same point that I wanted to make. If nobody
takes objection, H is all right. But if we have

a rule in the book, it has to be observed even
if one Member challenges it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Shall I put
it to the House ?

' SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I want your
ruling. I wanted to know if the Speaker had
by prior act allowed the motion^© be moved.
I remember umpteen occasions when you have
referred to the Speaker having done or not
having done something. You have said, “I
shall await the decision of the Speaker." The
Speaker is not here.

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I am the
Speaker now,

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : You have
on umpteen occasions referred back the whole
matter. This is a matter of principle which
is why I press it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : For two
reasons : I have said that we have been
following this principal in almost all the Bills,
and because I see .. (Interruption) ... Order
please. You might have raised it in another
case. We have been following this principle.
Because I see no special gain that it should
be held back to tomorrow, I have allowed it.
If one wants to speak, one has the right, but
I have allowed the motion to be moved. This
is over.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Half-an-
hour discussion is there.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is
another issue.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You break
the rule on that one also.

•

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please sit
down. I know that we have crossed 5.30

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am not
satisfied with the explanation.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You have
raised another issue. That is another issue,
that we have crossed 5.30. ( Interruption )
Order, order. Why don’t you leave the.
House to me 9 He has raised another issue,
that at 5.30 we are to take up another item

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[Mr Deputy-Speaker]

That is very correct. ( Interruption ) Order,
please. But very often, in regulating the
business of the House, we all become a little
flexible in these matters, and adjust five minu-
tes or 10 minutes this side and that side.
Therefore, 1 do not think it is very important.
I will put the motion to the House.

SHR1 JYOT1RMOY BOSU : I want to
make a submission. Yofi have tried to
evade our question. I am sorry to say. I
asked you categorically, and it is within my
rights to ask you and get a clear and categori-
cal reply, I asked you. “Did the Government
bring a motion before you that rule 93 be
suspended ?” You have said “No.”

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I did not
say no.

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : Secondly,
the proceedings of the House, the behaviour
of the Chair and ourselves in this House
should not be more known through failure to
follow the rules than by following them.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I do not
accept that.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have
not finished, Sir. Rule 93 is on the statute,
it is a rule. You cannot avoid it because
somebody has not done it in the past. There
was severe criticism on our side. When the
Aligarh Muslim University Bill was passed in
a hurry, we were severely criticised on our
side by the people. {Interrupt ion) We want
a fair judgment from you.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am giving
it. Please sit down. < Interruption ) In
the first place, it is not necessary, and when
the Minister has stood up and has said, “I
move that the Bill, as amended, be passed,”
the motion is before me. The second point
is, whether I allow it or not. I have said,
for the reasons that I have mentioned to you,
I have allowed the motion to be moved
Therefore I will put it to vhe House. The
question is ;

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, at

the third reading stage, we want to speak.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is the
right of Members to make submissions at the
third reading. In that case I would like to
have the consensus. What do we do ? We
have already crossed the deadline of 5,30. If
they want to make submissions in the third
reading I cannot shut them out.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : You have
already put it to vote.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I had just
started ; then they stopped me.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We shall sit
till 7 O’clock or 8 O’clock.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am in the
hands of the House. Once the Order Paper
is made it should not ordinarily be varied
during the day. But when special circumstances
arise the Order Paper also may be varied in
the sense that time may be adjusted. I am
in the hands of the House. What should we
do about this ? The question is whether the
House would extend the sitting today and
finish up the Bill today upto the third read-
ing and take up other items of business later
on .. (Some Hon. Members Yes)... or adjourn
this discussion until tomorrow and take up
some other discussion.

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am just
clarifying the position before the House.
I am in the hands of the House as
I said, 1 would like to be guided by the sense
of the House. What is the desire of the
House ?

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You can-
not over-ride the rules of the House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is not
a question of over-riding the rules.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : The third
reading discussion is a right which particularly
the Opposition cherishes. Therefore, to secure
the consensus of the House, when the Minis-
ter expresses hitoself in a particular fashion
and Members appear to respond-— would be
entirely unfair to the Opposition.

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, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am saying
that it appears to be consensus of the House
that we shall proceed with this Bill and have
the third reading and pass the Bill. The
rest of the business will be taken later on.

SHRI PILOO MODY : On a point of
order. May 1 know in what manner the
consensus of the House is being taken 7 Is it
a matter of majority decision ?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is my
decision. If you challenge it, you can chal-
lenge it. It is my impression that it is the
consensus of the House. You can challenge
it if you want. Would you like to challenge
it, Mr. Mody 7 I am asking you a strai-
ght question if you challenge my opinion
about the consensus of the House. You can
challenge it.

SHRI PILOO MODY : I am not in
the habit of challenging the Chair.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Thank you
very much.

SHRI PILOO MODY : Nor is it up to
the Chair to lay bets in this fashion.

I want to know what the word ‘consen-
sus’ means from the Chair, because if it is a
question of majority from the way I have seen
the consensus of the House, you have heard
seven parties against, and one party for...

( Interruptions .) The consensus of the
House is not a matter of majority decision ;
therefore if you insist I will challenge it.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir,
Item 17 in today’s Order Paper is half^an-hour
discussion which was to be taken up at 5.30
p.m. or as soon as the preceding items of
business are disposed of, whichever is earlier.
Therefore by 5.30 at the latest it will have to
be taken up. Under rule 55 the Speaker
may allot half an hour on three sittings in a
week for raising discussions on matters of
sufficient public importance which had been
the subject of recent question, etc. Therefore,
allotment has already been made as indicated
in the Order Paper. Under what procedure
is this Order Paper being altered 7

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You aie an
eminent lawyer. Your half-hour discussion

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is not taken away. Only the timing is being
varied in view of the special circumstances
obtaining in the House, if the members do
not make their submission in the third reading,
I will put the question to the House.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY ^OSU : On a point
of order, Sir. Are you aware of the fact that
we are sitting one extra hour today and you
want us to sit linger ? You have taken the
sense of the House on this point 7

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I have taken
the sense of the whole House.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We shall
never be able to match them in the present
Housers far as taking the sense is con-
cerned....

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is not
my fault.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You were
one of us once upon a time.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I am still a
member of the House.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The Deputy-
Speaker is chosen from amongst the opposi-
tion.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He belongs
to the whole House.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Don’t cast
aspersions on yourself.

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I was trying
to indicate that this unconscionable insistence
on today being the last day for the completion
of the discussion on # this Bill is due to the
preoccupation of Government with the Rajya
Sabha, which you have already mentioned.
It is completely unparliamentary, something
that goes against the gram of parliamentary
democracy. Is that to be foisted upon us ?
What happen if at 5.30 whatever is there on
the Order Paper is taken up and this Bil! is
passed tomorrow. If they want to assert their
weight of numbers, I would not like to speak
in that sort of circumstance. I have lots of
things to say, but I would not like to say then
if Government behaves in this fashion*

327 General Insurance business AUGUST 28, 1972

(Nationalisation) Bill 328

MR. SHYAMNANOAN MISHRA :
"Adjustment”, "variation: in time” etc. are
nice-sounding words, but when the adjustment
has to be made to suit the convenience of the
Opposition, it is never the pleasure of the
Chair to grant it. When we are to sit for
an extra hour, you ask us to do so, in
Spite of the strains s we are undergoing from the
morning. But you do not take up the item that
is fixed at 5.30 according to the schedule. We
are really not able to understand it. I would
request you to stick to the schedule and not
vary it.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : On a point of
order, Sir. This Bill has undergone a good
amendment, which has been moved by the
Finance Minister himself and passed by this
House.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You are
making the same point, no new point.

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : That is because
great men think alike. Another important
issue is, we are having another discussion at
6 P. M. Nothing is going to be lost ; after all,
Rajya Sabha is not sitting now waiting for
this Bill to be passed. They have already
gone. Let us send the Bill to Rajya Sabha
tomorrow.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi-
wash) : We agree in the Business Advisory
Committee to sit till 7 o’clock purposely to
discuss the light railways under Rule 193 and
also to have the half-an-hour discussion. If
we do not take up the half-hour discussion
at 5 30, the other discussion will be scuttled.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Why ? We
will sit late.

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : We have
had no lunch hour. This is the maximum
accommodation we can give. This is very
unreasonable You will have to take up the
item on the agenda.

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SHRI PILOO MODY : The only way
that the Government can have its way is to
take up the business from the agenda at the
time at which it is stated and then, if they
wane, they can meet thereafter. If they are
very anxious to pass the Bill, let them incon-
venience themselves. Let them wait till the
other business is over. This is something
which I have been suggesting over and over
again in the past also First of all. Govern-
ment allow too little time for these things.
They are anxious to see that the discussion is
cut, the session is cut so that they can all go
on their European trips, and yet when it
comes to inconvenience of an hour or two,
they are not prepared to put up with it.
Why should the opposition be inconvenienced ?
We have certain rights which you should
protect. Therefore, the half an hour discus-
sion should be taken up at 5.30 p m., the
other discussion at 6 p.m. and, thereafter,
they can meet til) midnight or whatever time
they want .... ( Interruptions ).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have listened
to everybody. I am again saying that I am
in the hands of the House, I have said
before ..( Interruptions ) I will learn the rules
from you when I am outside. Then you can
please teach me what the rules are...(/wter-
ruptions) To me the sense of the House is
to finish the consideration of the Bill first and
then take up the rest of the items later on. I
will put it to the House ( Interruption 3 ),

SHRI PILOO MODY : In this House we
will not allow ourselves to be pushed around
in this way. I am sorry, I am not prepared
to be pushed around by members, no matter

3J9 General Insurance BHADRA 6,

; Business

what their number may be.. ( Interruptions )

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Sir. it is for the
Chair to protect the private members.

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Sir, may I
assure you anc) our friends that it is not our
desire to embarrass them and it is none of
our desire to make them sit here longer than
necessary. Were it not for the very simple
reason that Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha are
committed to sit up to a particular date, we
would not have insisted on this. I have just
now received a long letter signed by about
all the members of the opposition and some
members from this side also that the ICS
officers Abolition of Privileges Bill should
also be passed this session. Then we have
got the Delhi University Bill, the Report of
the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tiibes and soon. All these items
have to be finished by the 2nd September.

SHRI PILOO MODY : Why not extend
the session ?

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : It is not in my
hands. BAC has decided that, and only the
BAC can change its recommendations. Shri
Piloo Mody has suggested that the business
scheduled for 5 30 and 6.00 p.m should be
taken up first and then this Bill may be taken
up afterwards. We are agreeable to that. We do
not mind this Bill being taken up at 7 O Clock
and we are prepared to sit as long as necessary.
We want to accommodate Shri Piloo Mody,
We are accepting his suggestion, we are
accepting that.

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA :
My submission is that the hon. Minister had
himself asked us to sit for an extra day on
the 2nd— that was circulated ampngst us, the
members of the Business Advisory Committee
— when they wanted to take up the Twenty-
ninth Constitution Amendment Bill. Now,
if the business of the House goes on accumu-
lating like that and, even after sitting for
extra, 2 hours, we are not able to finish
the business, then the only reasonable
course is to extend the session by a day. And
he did want to sit on the 2nd. That is the
only reasonable course.

May I submit to you that I had made a
complaint in the beginning of the session that

1894 (SAKA) {Nationalisation) Bill 330

every session is being shortened ? This
session has been shortened by a wetk. Is it
the way to run parliamentary democracy in
this country ? Every session is being
shortened. The last session was shortened by
10 days. The hon Minis^r asks us to ga
by the advice of Mr. Piloo Mody. Although
he happens to be a good friend of ours, we
are not going to conform to his advice
in this particular mrtter because we do not
want to sit for more than 2 hours extra.

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr. Raj
Bahadur was not present in the last meeting
of the Business Advisory Committee. I
represented my party in the last meeting of
ihe Business Advisory Committee. There,
we had agreed and bound ourselves to sit
upto 7 O'Ciock and not beyond that We
had agreed to forgo lunch hour ; we had
agreed to sit on Saturdays Now, how much
do you wish to stretch us ? Let us know
here and now so that we can take recourse to
the Factories Act for working extra hours.

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SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I have been
shouting in vain in order to press some of the
norms of parliamentary democracy. I do
not think you have ever heard or read that a
substantial discussion *in the House of
Commons was sought to be throttled by
reference to the lack of time because the
House of Lords had to be approached. I am
sure between the two Houses here, in this
country, there is no such sense of antogonism
which there was in England. But, any how,
let not any reference to the Rajya Sabha be
ever made an excuse for throttling or shorten-
ing discussion in the Lok Sabha. The
Ministers are responsible to the Lok Sabha
and to nowhere else. Therefore, if they want
this thing to be passed, they can get the
R^jya Sabha sitting extended by another day.

331 General Insurance business
{Nationalisation Bill
fShri H. N. Mukcrjee]

If they do not want to tit another day, I
don’t care. Quite apart from the substance
of the matter, what we say on the third
reading of the Bill is not so important because
' I know they will throw over-board whatever
suggestions are made From the point of
view of parliamentary democracy, I wish, you,

Sir, put your foot down to agy reference being
made, that is, to this matter having to be
taken to the Rajya Sabha and, therefore, no
time being given in this House in order to
enable the legislation to go through.

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Construction of Ply. Bridge 332
at Safdarjang
SOME HON MEMBERS : No, no.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No about
what 1 ( Interruption ) There are only two
questions. Would you like to resume the
discussion on this Bill later, after those two
items have been disposed of or would you
like to take up the Third Reading of the
Bill now ?

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If you want
neither, I will put the motion to the vote of
the House.

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed,”
The motion was adopted .

AUGUST 28, 1972

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The point
raised by Mr. H. N. Mukerjee is very valid.
It is very unfortunate that reference should be
made to the business of the Rajya Sabha.
This House cannot be influenced by what goes
on in Rajya Sabha just as we do not except
Rajya Sabha to be influenced by what goes on in
this House. This is an accepted Parliamentary
code. But theie has been no basic change
to the basic question. The only change is a
very marginal change — a suggestion has been
made by the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs
that, if the members are keen about taking up
♦he other two items, those items can be taken
up now and then discussion on this Bill can be
resumed... ( Interruptions ).

SHRI B. P. MAURYA (Hapur) : We
have already wasted half an hour in this.

( Interruption ).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You are not
helping in any way. This i#the situation. I
would like to say again that I am in the hands
of the House, whatever the House wants to do.
Do you want to continue with the Third
Reading now and finish with this Bill Or do
you want to take up the other two items now
and then 1 resume the discussion on this Bill
later?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now we take
up the half-an-hour discussion.

Mr. N. K P. Salve

17 59 hrs.

[Shri K. N. Tuvary in the Chair J

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION BE
CONSTRUCTION OF RAILWAY
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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond
Harbour) : Sir, this Shahdara-Sahranpur Light
Railway, one of Martin Burns, creatures, was
closed on the 1st September, 1970. I cannot
understand why the Government could not take
over the railways. Because the poor, common
men have no vested interests’ lobby function-
ing in Delhi, and that is why we see today
that Government is so very anxious to take
over Balmer Lawrie at double the cost to
benefit somebody, and that is very good to
them.

The length of this railway line is 172.7
km., and this railway ran on an average 22
daily passenger trains, and it carried on an
average 12,000 passengers. This did not include
the goods trains. That shows that the busi-
ness was very brisk and it was fully supported
and patronised and it was really essential for
the people m that area. They had 1,400
employees. If we calculate that way, that is,
taking five dependents for one employee, this

railway provided living bread and butter for

7,000 people in the country. Sir, these employees
received very low wages. The total wage of
an employee came to as low as even Rs. 100.

There was a survey committee instituted
by the Government of India, and it says— I

3|5 Disc, on Reopening of BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) S. S. Light Rly. 346

am quoting an extract

“ ' Although the services provided by the
light railway companies generally leave
much to be desired, some of them are
serving a very useful purpose and in their
case, at any rate, if they are to suspend
operation, the road services will not, it
is felt, be able to cater for the entire
volume of traffic offiered. Accordingly,
it is necessary to ensure that these
railways continue to operate and strive
to improve the services to standards
comparabla with those of other railway
systems including broad gauge and metre
gauge.*’

They have a pious Industrial Policy Re-
solution which clearly indicates that Railways
must be in the public sector. They draft a
Bible for themselves and then they would be
more identified for its violation than to its
adherence; that is the strongest thing.

I know they have no transport economist.
The huge railways system involving Rs 4,000
crores, Indian money, the largest public sector
enterprise has not got a proper, mature,
experienced, academiclly educated transport
economist. That is why you always catch the
wrong end of the stick. This is one of the
cheapest frames of transport, the railways,
water transport cheapest. Road transport comes
last, i give the example of Howrah-Anta
light and Howrah Sheakhala light railway.
For a monthly ticket, the small trader and
the small clerk who came to the city for
wotking, they paid Rs 17. When it was stopped,
they had to pay Rs 65 for the same journey.
As a result he stopped coming to the city
and lost his source of income or he came and
crowded the slums of Calcutta, to avoid paying
the railways fares. Traction by railways could
be done at a fraction of the cost of running
the road transport. It is unfortunate that
even after 25 yegrs they do not have an
integrated national transport policy. Am 1
not throwing pearls before swines ? I had
been writing to them for the last five years,
to various Ministries and the Prime Minister
that unless you have an integrated national
transport policy, you cannot really take
correct* decisions. So far they have been unable
to do it. The ones that we had near Calcutta
which had been closed down were serving the
poorer sections in the hinterland and the
interior, particularly people from the low
Income group.

But the trouble is that in the Planning
Commission and in the Government, there is
a very powerful road transport lobby which
caters to the needs of the foreign investment
oriented road transport although road trans-
port costs may be 4-5 times. In spite of that it
is being forced upon the common working
man in the country. Howrah-Anta and Howrah
Sheakhala employed 1600 persons. Arrah
Sesaram and Futwal I&lampur had 900
employees, Sahflra-Saharanpur, 1400 and in
the head office it had 30) persons. The track
length covered by Howrah-Anta was 86 km
and that of Howrah-Sheakhala was 31 km ;
Arrah-Sesaram covered 114 km and Futwal-
Islampur, 47 km while Sahdra-Saharanpur
covered 172 kms.

As for the number of trams, Howrah-
Anta and Howrah-Sheakhala ran 84 trains
carrying 30,000 passengers; Arrah-Sasaram
ran 18 trains carrying 8,000 passengers. Futwal-
lslampur ran 14 trains and carried 6.000
passengers while Sahdra-Saharanpur ran 22
trains carrying 12,000 persons.

All that I wanted to say is : have they
understood the business ? What do they
believe in ? In over capitalisation ? These
light railways are very old and the intrinsic
value o^book value of the assets have become
next to '‘nothing In spite of that they are
rendering a gieat service, a beneficial service to
your economy. You are running a great social
service and serving people at practically no
cost. Suppose you want to replace these light
railways by buses, how much money would be
required ? About twenty times the money
involved in the light railways. You do not
care for them because you do not understand
transport economics, the value of over-capi-
taflisation or under-capitalisation.

As far as Howrah-Amta and Howrah-
Sheakhala are concerned, I regret to say that
a particular political party had been playing
politics and had befen dilly-dallying For
year people suffered. Although the Prime
Minister in her election meetings had given an
assurance in 1971, it was delayed till such a
long time. Now we read about it but we have
to see what actually happens.

We are struggling for reopening these two
railways since December, 1970, but now they
want to reap a political dividend. Therefore,
they are talking about reopening it I want
to urge on the Minister through you that

AUGUST 28, 1972

S.S. Light My. 348

347 Disc . on keopeninjjj of

[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu]

the employees of all these light railways should
be brought under the rules abd regulations of
the indian standard railways and whatever
those employees get, the employees of light
railways also should get. 1 also urge that the
light railways should be taken over, improved
tfnd brought to a Standard and not abolished.

Finally, I urge on the minister to spell out
clearly and truthfully here wfiat the Govern-
ment’s decision is with regard to Sahdara-
Saharanpur light railways and also other light
railways that are doing a great service to the
people of this country.

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349 Disc , on Reopening of BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA)

S. S. Light Rly. 350

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AUGUST 2 *. 1972

S. S. Light My. 352

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S. S. Light Rly. 354

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AUGUST 28, 1972

5. S. Light RIy. 356

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357 Disc, on Reopening of bhadra 6, 1894 (SAKA)

S. S. Light Rly, 358

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Printed at Shahdara Printing Press, K-18, Navin Sbahdara, Deifci-32. 28-8-1972

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