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LOK SABHA 
DEBATES 


(Fifth Series) 


Vol. XVIll 


[ August 14 to August 28, 1972/Sravana 23 to Bhadry 6, 1894 (Saka)} 



Fifth Session, 1972/1894 (Saks) 


(Vol. XV III contains Nos, 11—20 ) 


LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT 
NEW DELHI 



CONTENTS 


[Fifth Series— Vol XVIII , 5th Session, 1972] 

No. 1 1 — Monday. August 14, \m;Sravana 2.1. 1 894 (Saka) 


Obituary Reference — 

Death of Shrimati Minimata 

Agamdius Guru . 


Columns 

1-10 

Shrimati Indira Gandhi 

• 


1-2 

Shri Dasaratha Deb 



2-3 

Shri S M. Banerjee 



3 

Shri G. Viswanathan 


• 

3-4 

Shri Tagannathrao losln . 


f 

4 

Shu Shyamnandan Mishra 

. 

» 

4-5 

Piof Madhu Dandavate 

. 


5 

Shn Ebiahim Sulaiman Sail 

. 


5 

Shri Arvind Nctam . 

. 

• 

6 

Shri R. S Pandey 



6-7 

Dr Ciovind Das 



7 

Shri R. D Bhandare 


• 

7-8 

Shri "Shrikrishna Agaiwal 


. 

8 

Shri Ramkanwar. 



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LOK SABHA DEBATES 


I 

LOK SABHA 


Monday* August 14. I912lbrauwa 23, 
1894 (Saka) 

l he Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the 
Clock. 

[Mu. Snt'AKtR in the Chan] 
OBITUARY REFERENC E 

MR SPEAKER: Honourable ment- 
hols, I have to inform the House of the 
tragjc dernnse of S'hnmatt Mmimatu 
\gam Dass Gum who passed avvav in 
an ail crash near Delhi on the night of 
Nth August 1972. at the age of % 

Shnmuli Again Da^s Guiu was a 
silting member ol lok Sabha Irom 
lanjgu constituency ol Madhya Pri- 
desh. She had also been a member of 
I ii si. Second. 1 bird and Fouilh lok 
Sabha from 1953 to 1970. She was so 
calm and gentle and was respected In 
one and all. Coming from the back- 
ward stiata of our society, during her 
long membership of Lok Sabha. she 
always championed the cause of Hari- 
jans, women and depressed classes and 
spoke tor eradication of social evils like 
the dowiy system, child marriage and 
untouchabihty . Whenever she took part 
m the proceedings, she used to impress 
the House very much by hei dedication 
lo her ideals and sincciity in her ap- 
proach. She was associated with a 
number of social welfaic and educatio- 
nal institutions m her State 

We deeply mourn her loss and I am 
sure the House will lom me in convey- 
ing our condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

THE PRIME MINISTER, {lINIS- 
IER OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINIS- 
TER OF ELECTRONICS, MINISTER 
OF HOME AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF 
INFORMATION AND BROADCAST- 
ING AND MINISTER OF SPACE 
IfSHRIMAT I INDIRA GANDHI) : 
[Sir, this is a sad occasion for us all and 
points once again to the uncertainty of 
life. 


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Shrimati Minimata was a fine example 
of Indian womanhood. Jl was my privi- 
lege to know her closely for many years 
Soft-spoken and dignified, simple in her 
habits, yet firm in her convictions and 
effective in her work, she was an un- 
failing champion of the cause of the 
weak and the downtrodden. She com- 
manded the respect of this House and 
of the public for her sincerity, her ear- 
nestness of purpose and sense of 
dedication. She had been, as you, Sir, 
have mentioned, a Member of Parlia- 
ment for 20 years and was the senior- 
most woman Member. 

Although one <jf the quieter members, 
she was articulate on subjects which 
interested her, aifc her participation in 
discussions was always impressive and 
to the point. 

She was equally active in work in her 
c mstituency, as iegai ds various problems 
ol Madhya Pradesh, the problems of 
evils which exist in our society and 
those of the Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes all over the country. 

Death is always sorrowful but u is 
specially so on this occasion when it 
has come so suddenly and in suen a 
giuesome manner. Shrimati Minimata 
was commg to Delhi to be with us today 
and tomorrow to join the 25th anouer- 
sar> functions 

Her demise is a loss to Parliament 
and to us all. 1 feel it as a personal 
loss. We are all deeply grieved and 
i equest you, Str, to convey our condo- 
lences to her family. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura 
Fust) : This is a very sad occasion and 
on behalf of my Party, the Communist 
Party of India (Marxist) and on my 
behalf, I fully associate myself* with the 
sentiments of deep sorrow expressed by 
the Prime Minister and you at the tragic 
death of .Shrimati Minimata Again Dass 
Guru, a Member of this House smee 
1953. 

1 happen to know Shrimati Mmim ita 
very closely as we were neighbour 
while 1 was staving in North Avenue 


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Obituary Reference 


AUGUST U, 1972 


Obituary Reference 


4 


IShn Dasaratha Deb] 
from 1953 to J 961 - She was very allec- 
tionate to the children also and she 
worked among the Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes and Hanjans parti- 
cularly. 

As far as l know, she was a veteran 
social worker, confining hci woik main- 
ly to the backward classes people, and 
her death is a great loss to the country 

] request you to convey our deep con- 
dolences to the beieaved larnily of 
Shrimati Minimata. 

SHRJ S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 
Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 knew Shrimati 
Minimata since the day I entered Parlia- 
ment m 1957. To me, she was an em- 
blem of simplicity Her heart bled lor 
the common man, specially lor those 
who are downtrodden and whom society 
has not given a proper'place even today 

She was connected vfilh so many wel- 
fare organisations I remember how 
when in this House the question of atro- 
cities on Harijan women came up, she 
reacted. I also remember when less 
time was given for discussion ol the 
Reports of the Commissioner lor Sche- 
duled C astes and Scheduled 1 nbes. 
though a calm lady, an emblem ol 
patience, she rose to the height and 
demanded more discussion. 

It is most unfortunate she did not 
meet a natural death. It reminds me ol 
the tragic and untimely death of the 
Member for Kanpur, the late lamented 
Shn Hanharnath Shastri, in similar 
circumstances 

On behalf of my Party and on my 
own behalf, I express my heartfelt con- 
dolences and request you to kindly 
convey the same to the family of 
Shrimati Minimata. 

SHRI G VISWANATHAN (Wandi- 
wash) . It is a sad occasion that on this 
25th amiiversaiy of our independence, 
we have lost one of our seniormost 
members 

We hav^ had many occasions to work 
with Shrimati Minimata in various capa- 
cities in the House and outside and in 
committee meetings. The fact that she 
was elected for five consecutive terms 
from the same constituency to this 
House shows her popularity and in- 
fluence among the public, particularly 
the tribal areas. 


On behalf of my- Party and on my 
own behalf, I associate myself with the 
deep sorrow expressed by you and re- 
quest you to convey our condolences to 
the bereaved family. 

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(Rajapur) Mr. Speaker, Sir. all death 
is sad but the pangs of death become 
more sorrowful when the death comes 
in such a gruesome manna. Here was 
a lady who tried to end the trageuy of 
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and women, but the tragedy of her hie 
was that the end ol her hie itself was 
a tragedy. I am sure that even one m 
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traditions that were laid down bv the 
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On behalf of the Socialist Parly, I 
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to convey the condolences to the mem- 
bcis of the bereaved family. 

SHR1 EBRAH1M SU LAI MAN SAI I 
(Kozhikode) : Mi. Speaker, Sn. 1 asso- 
ciate myself with the sentiments of grid 
and sorrow expressed by yourself, the 
Prune Minister and other colleagues m 
this House on the sad demise of 
Shrimatt Mimmata in tragic circumstan- 
ces. Wc all know very well that she 
was a lady of admirable qualities: she 
was dignitied, modest and simple and 
served the depressed and the downtrod- 
den with earnestness and zeal. Her 
passing away is a great loss not only 
to the backward classes but to the 
country as a whole. 

i* 

I convey to the bereaved family, 
through you, our deep sympathies, and 
on my behalf and on behalf of my 
Group, the Muslim League, I lequest 
you to convey our feelings of sorrow 
and grief to the members of the bereav- 
ed family. 


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SHKI R. D BH AND ARE (Bom b.iv 
( entral) . Mr. Speaker, Sir, we deeply 
mourn the death of Shrimuti Mimmata, 
a leltgious head of the Satnami sect of 
the Hindu community. It is true that 
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souls, who have 'always served the com- 
m unity, pass away in a tragic manner, 
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trom amongst us wc have lost a burn- 
ing fire and light which used to guide 
the down-trodden and under-privileged. 
She was a great social worker, as men- 
tioned by the Pf nnc Minister, and by 


you. Sir, and by other hon. Members. 
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justice, Since she was serving the com- 
munity her soul is bound to rest in 
peace. I pay my humble tribute and 
homage to her. 

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Obituary Reference 


SRAVANA 23, 1 894 (S AKA) Obituaty Reference JO 


MR. SPEAKER : As a mark of res- 
pect lo Ivor memory, the House will stand 
in silence foi a short while, 

Menihas then .stood in silence fot a 
a hotiw kite 

MR. SPEAKER : In view of the 
death of Shnmati Minimata under very 
tragic circumstances, which we all heard 
with great shock, in view also of the 
fact that she is one of the oldest mem- 
bers of our Lok Sabfta, associated with 
all the Lok Sabhas after 1952, as desir- 
ed by many friends and hon. Members 
of this House, 1 propose to adjourn the 
House now' as a mark of sorrow and 
respect lo her memory 


AN HON MEMBER : What about 
the function m the Central Hall? 

MR. SPEAKER , I hat will be theie. 
Of course, we ha\e cut out all the other 
programmes except the speeches by the 
President, Vice-President, Prime Minis- 
ter and myself. The cultural pro- 
gramme, dinner etc. have been cancelled 
fhe programme in the Central Hall for 
one hour starting at 1 1 p.m will be 
ihere. We will now adjourn till 11 am 
on Wednesday 

11.25 hrs. 

7 he Lok Sahhu then adjoin net! till 
Lleven of the Clock on Wednesday , 
August 16, (972 ' Havana 25, 1894 

Saka), 




CONTENTS 


No. 12 — Wednesday , August 16, 1972/Sravana 25 % 1894 (Saka) 


Columns 


Welcome to Speaker of Fiji b # 1 

Oral Answers to Questions — 

•Starred Questions Nos. 223 to 228, 231, 232, 234 and 235 . . 1—26 

Written Answers to Questions — 

Starred Questions Nos. 201 to 222, 229, 230, 233 and 236 to 240 . . 26—46 

Unstarrcd Questions Nos. 1980 to 2049, 2051 to 2067, 2069 to 2121* 2123 
to 2184, 2186, 2187, 2189 to 2215, 2217 to 2253, 2255 to 2^0 and 
2352 to 2379 . , 46—309 

Re. Motion for Adjournment * ^ # 309 16 

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance — 

Reported failure of the Government to complete Farakka Barrage, 

as scheduled b # 317 — 43 

Re. Presentation of Tamra Patras to Freedom Fighters . . 343 — 44 

Re. Business of the House p b 344 — 46 

Papers laid on the Table . . 346 — 51 

Statement correcting answer to S. Q. No. 14 re. behaviour of Doctors in 

Delhi Hospitals towards victims of a car accident . , 351 

Shri lima Shankar Dikshit # # 351 

Statement re. Crash of an Indian Airlines Fokker Friendship Aircraft 

near Palam Airport on 11.8.1972 . . 351 — 53 

Dr. Karan Singh . . 352 — 53 


Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking over of Management) Bill — 

Introduced . . 353 — 54 

Statement re. Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking Over of Manage- 
ment) Ordinance, 1972 . . 354 — 55 

Shri Shahnawaz Khan . . 354 

Disturbed Areas (Special Courts) Bill — 

Motion to refei to Joint Committee — Adopted . . 355 — 58 

Income-tax (Amendment) Bill- 

Motion to consider . . 358 — 65 

ShriR. V. Bade *• . / 358-61 

Shri N. K. P. Salve . . 361—64 

Shri K. Baladhandayutham . . 365 

Motion re. Separate Central Schemes for Development of Backwaid Areas . , 365—409 

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar • . 366 — 73 


•The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually 
asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 




Columns 


Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ■ • d/o— /» 

Shri P. Venkatasubbaiah • • 379 

Shri P. K. Deo • • ■ 382—85 

Shri Dinesh Chandra Gosw ami •• 87 

Shri Jhaikhande Rai 387—92 

Shri K. D. Malaviya • • 392—94 

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury • • 394—97 

Shri D. N. Tiwary • • 399—403 

Shri R. R. Sharma •• 403—06 

Shri Chiotamani Panigrahi ■ • ^ 

^alf-an-Hour Discussion — 

Normalisation of relations with China • • 20 

Shri Samar Guha * * 409—13 

Shri Swaran Singh * * ^ ^ 



LOK SABHA DEBATES 


1 

LOK SABHA 


Wednesday, August 16, 1972/Sravana 25, 1894 
(Saka) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock . 

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair ] 

WELCOME TO SPEAKER OF FIJI 

MR. SPEAKER : I have great pleasure 
in welcoming in the Special Box the Hon’ble 
Speaker, Mr. R D. Patel, of the House of 
Representatives of Fiji. As you know, Fiji 
got its independence the year before last year. 
He is the first Speaker of independent Fiji. 
He is our distinguished guest. I, on behalf of 
you all, again extend to him a very hearty 
welcome, and also to Madam Patel who is 
also present along with him in the Special 
Box I wish him a very happy stay in this 
country. This is his old country and we 
assure him that we treat him as one of us. 

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Accumulation of Wealth by Class I and 
Class D Officers of the Central Govern- 
ment 

*223. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of searches and seizures 
made in 1970-71 and 1971-72 in respect of 
Class I and Class II Officers of the Central 
Government about their suspected accumula- 
tion of wealth by corrupt means ; and 

(b) whether properties and assets of any 
of these officers have been confiscated ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b). 
Searches and seizures were made in 12 instan- 
ces in 1970-71 and in 25 instances in 1971-72 
during investigation into allegations of suspec- 
ted accumulation of wealth by corrupt means 
hy Glass I and Claw II Officers, including 


2 

officers of the Public Undertakings under the 
Central Government. No property or assets 
of the officers concerned were confiscated. 

SHRI S. N. MISRA : May I know from 
the hon. Minister how many of them were 
Class I, how many of them were Class II and 
how many of them were from the Public 
Undertakings ? Also, I want to know what 
was the amount seized from them. Arc the 
proceedings pending against them, how many 
of them have be<?n removed from service or 
what steps have ^een taken against them ? 

SHRI RAJ^ NIWAS MIRDHA : The 
supplementary is almost a full question. 

As regards certain facts the hon. Member 
wanted to know, in 1970-71, there were 12 
cases of such seizures and out of these 12, 
Class I officers were ten and Class II officers 
were two. In 1971-72 there were 25 such 
instances of which Class I officers were 14 and 
Class II officers were 11. 

As regards the other information, I would 
need notice for that. 

SHRI S. N. MISRA : It has been indi- 
cated that certain steps were taken and 
recoveries were made from public undertak- 
ings officers. But that has not been mentio- 
ned here in the numbers given by the hon. 
Minister. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : As 
regards the number of officers from public 
undertakings, as I said, I would need notice. 

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SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : For a long time 
we have been hearing of accumulation of 
movable and immovable wealth by the ICS 
and IAS officers attached to various States, 
and we have brought these things, on several 
occasions, to the notice of the Government. 
I would like to know whether there are any 
instances of ICS and IAS officers accumula- 
ting huge wealth by way of holding immova- 
ble property and constructing palatial build- 
ings not only in Delhi but also in every 
Capital city. If such instances have been 
brought to the notice of the Government, I 
would also like to reveal certain instances. 
An ex-I.C.S. officer . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Please do not mention 
the name. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : He was a Class I 
officer and he wa9 involved in the accumula- 
tion of wealth. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not going to 
allow mention of names of persons who are 
not here to defend themselves. . 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : All right. Sir ; I 
will not give the names. Are there instances 
of ICS and IAS officers accumulating 
wealth.. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. You 
have put your question. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I think 


it is very unfair on the part of the hon. 
Member to make such sweeping remarks 
about the whole class of officers. Government 
has not hesitated to inquire into cases and 
even punish persons belonging to ICS and 
IAS. The instances have been mentioned in 
the House from time to time. If the hon. 
Member wants to know of any particular 
inquiry or any particular allegation against 
any particular officer, I can give him infor- 
mation separately. 

Song and Drama Division’s Artistes’ 
Rally 

*224. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether about 250 artistes of the 
Song and Drama Division of the All-India 
Radio led a rally to the Prime Minister’s 
residence to press their demands which include 
among other things, all the facilities enjoyed 
by A. I. R. staff ; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. A number of artistes of 
the Song and Drama Division went in a 
group to the residence of the Prime Minister 
and presented a memorandum in which the 
demand referred to was made inter alia. The 
Song and Drama Division is, however, not a 
part of the All India Radio, but a separate 
organisation directly under the Ministry of 
Information and Broadcasting. 

(b) While the grievances of the ai tistes are 
and will continue to be considered sympathe- 
tically in discussion with their representatives 
the conditions in which they have to function 
being quite different from those in which the 
artistes of the All India Radio function it may 
not be possible to equate the facilities made 
available to these two groups of artistes. 

SHRI ARJUN SETHI : While answer- 
ing my question, the hon. Minister has men- 
tioned that the conditions in which they have 
to function are different from those of the 
AIR artistes. So, I want to know what are 
the different conditions in which both the 
groups of artistes work and for what reason the 
latter group is not entitled to get the benefits. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) a 



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6 


When it is said that the conditions are not 
the same, it also in some cases means that the 
conditions are harder. Therefore, they may 
need better consideration because they work 
under two different sets of circumstances. 
Therefore, it is wrong to equate them and I 
think the problems of the staff artistes working 
under the Song and Drama Division should 
be dealt with separately. 

SHRI ARJUN SETHI : I would like to 
know whether the Government have received 
any complaint from the recognised Groups of 
the Song and Drama Division regarding the 
reduction of remuneration and insufficient 
programmes and programmes in an inconve- 
nient manner. 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as the 
recognised Groups arc concerned, there arc 
complaints tf^at the remuneration paid is not 
sufficient which I think does need examina- 
tion which we are going to do because it is 
very important that the Song and Drama 
Division should function and should encou- 
rage their registered Groups, particularly, the 
professional and amateur Groups functioning 
in various parts of the country. 

SHRI S. M. BANE RJ EE s I am happy 
that the hon. Minister has realised that these 
boys and girls who are working in the Song 
and Drama Division have to work in great 
difficulties because they have to go to the 
border areas. So, I would like to know in 
case the facilities enjoyed by the AIR are not 
applicable to them, whether a committee is to 
be set up to review their wages and work- 
ing conditions and whether a separate com- 
mittee is needed because they are not covered 
under the Pay Commission. I would like to 
know whether any committee is being set up. 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as pay 
and allowances are concerned, originally we 
referred it to the Pay Commission. The Pay 
Commission has now told ub that it does not 
fall within their purview. It is important 
that the rationalisation of the pay structure 
should be studied and undertaken. It is going 
to be done very soon. Their conditions must 
be studied within the Song and Drama Division 
itself. There are three sets of Groups — 

Troops Central, the Border Publicity 
Groups and the Family Planning Groups ; and 
even with regard to the service structure 
there arc differentiations and I am keen that 
rationalisation should take place in such a 
way that everyone gets equal pay for equal 
type of job or the same type of job done. 


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SHRI ANANTRAO PATIL : May I 
know from the Minister whether the artistes 
belonging to the Song and Drama Division 
have submitted t*eir demands to the Head of 
the Department. 

SHRI I. K. tUJRAL : They had sub- 
mitted 10 demands out of which on five 
demands, action has already been initiated 
and the rest are under consideration. 

Issue of Licences to Birla, Sahu Jain and 
Tatas 

*225. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state the nature and 
value of licences given to the Birla Group of 
Industries, Sahu Jain Group and Tata 
Industries, separately, during the last three 
years for setting up of new industries and for 
expansion of the existing industries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
A statement showing the number of Indust- 
rial licences for the setting up of new indus- 
tries and effecting substantial expansion issued 
to the Birla, Sahujain and Tata Groups dur- 
ing the last three years is laid on the Table 
of the House. Industrial licences are generally 
issued for specific capacities rather than for 
specific values. 


Statement • 



1969 

1970 

1971 

GROUP 

N.U. S.E. 

N.U. S.E. N.U. S.E. 

Birla 

— 5 

— 1 — 3 

Sahujain 

Tata 

— 1 

— 1 

— 1 


N. U. : Stands for New Undertaking. 

S. E. : Stands for Substantial Expansion. 



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8 


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MR. SPEAKER : These are all sugges- 
tions for action. 

SHRI INDRAJ IT GUPTA : It is seen 
from the statement that in the course of these 
3 years, 9 licences were given to Birlas for 
effecting substantial expansion. I would like 
to know the npmes of these companies or 
undertakings of the Birlas. Is it within the 
capacity of the existing plants or is the 
; expansion going to be by way of setting up 
new plants belonging to the parent company ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : Subs- 
tantial expansion means expansion of capa- 
city of the established plants ; it it not a new 
undertaking. It is not meant for manufacture 


of new articles. The names are : Bally Jute 
Go. Ltd ; Orient General Industries ; Soorah 
Jute mills ; Birla Jute Manufacturing Go. 
Ltd ; Saurashtra Chemicals ; Eastern Spinning 
Mills ; National Engineering Industry ; pobind 
Sugar Mills ; Textile Machinery Corporation. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Substantial 
expansion is given for increasing capacity of 
the existing plants. This is what the Minister 
said. Birla Jute Company to which reference 
was made has several plants which have 
nothing to do with jute. The Birla Jute 
Company has on hand several other progra- 
mmes which have nothing to do with jute, 
but under a common signboard, of Birla 
Jute Company, they make substantial 
expansion. 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
The office of Birla Jute Company is located 
in 15, India Exchange Place, Calcutta. 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : There have been expansions in jute 
manufactuiing, particularly jute carpet-back- 
ing cloth for purposes of export. There has 
been expansion of these carpetbacking plants. 

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licences are extended, more responsibilities 
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grateful if you could kindly ask the hon. 
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9 


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Oral Annum 


10 


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SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
The hon. Minister has been pleased to say 
and it is quite evident from the statement 
laid on the Table of the House also that 
these licences are only for substantial expan- 
sion ; that means that since licences have 
been granted for substantial expansion of the 
existing units, they would increase the share of 
those firms in the total product. That means, 
again, concentration of economic power or 
the increase of the monopoly element of that 
firm. How does Government account for this 
departure from policy ? 

SHRI G. SUBRAMANIAM : There is 
the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices 
Act, and the Monopolies Commission goes 
into it. Whenevei the company is a dominant 
company manufacturing certain articles to a 
certain extent, expansion or new unit is not 
allowed to them. But in these cases they are 
not dominant producers. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
My question has not been answered. If you 
increase the ihare of a firm in the total 
product, that means the increase of the mono- 
poly element of that fiim in that product. 
That is the main point. 

SHRI G. SUBRAMANIAM : The mono- 
poly element would come in only if they are 
the dominant producers. There are other 
producers also, and, therefore, it will not 
become a monopoly. But I do agree that this 
will increase their production, but that is 
taken care of. It is only for specific reasons, 
namely for increasing the export, for example, 
of jute carpet backing cloth which is intended 
mainly for export, that we had to allow it 
even though it may be a bigger house. 

Proposal for Setting up of Film Council 

*226. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM i Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased 


to state : 

(a) whether the Centre had sought Chief 
Ministers' views on the proposal to set up a 
Film Council ; 

(b) whether the Chief Ministers have 
expressed their views, if so, the nature there- 
of ; and 

(c) decision taken by the Centre on the 
proposal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Replies from some States/Union 
Territories have been received. They have 
generally welcomed the idea of setting up the 
Film Council. * 

(c) The maffer is under active considera- 
tion of Government. 

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM x 
May I know whether the Chief Minister of 
Tamil Nadu has said in a public announce- 
ment that the Centre is not in favour of the 
formation of the Film Council ? Is there 
any substance in his apprehension ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : 
No. So far as I am concerned, so fai as our 
information goes, the Chief Minister has 
favoured the idea of setting up of the Film 
Council. 

SHRI S. A. MURUGAi^ANTHAM : 
My question was different. . . . 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : It has not been 
brought to my notice that the Chief Minister 
is under the impression that we are not 
interested in setting up the Film Council. I 
have already talked to the Chief Minister 
himself, and the Chief Minister knows my 
views about it. 

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM : 
How long will it take to decide on the for- 
mation of the Council by the Centre? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : We are keen to 
do it very quickly, and I hope that it will be 
done very soon. 

SHRI N. K. SANGH1 : The formation 
o I the Council has been awaited for such a 
long time. Could the hon. Minister give an 
idea to the House of the type of formation or 



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AUGUST 16, 1972 


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12 


composition of this Council, and whether it 
will include politicians, and if so, what 
percentage of them will be politicians, and 
whether there will be representatives from the 
film industry and if so, how many ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : My hon. friend 
would recall that I had detailed discussions 
with him and with his associations, and he 
knows my views about it. But I can assure 
him of one thing, namely that there is no 
intention to inject any politicians into the 
Film Council. 

AN. HON. MEMBER : What about the 
Chief Minister of Madras ? He is both a 
politician and an actor also ? 

DR. RANEN SEN : Is it a fact that the 
film producers of Eastern India wanted a 
separate film council for die eastern part of 

India and if so, what is the reaction of the 

0 , 

Government ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL :*Thc film pro- 
ducer have been having different types of 
views from time to time. At one stage 
producers felt that there could be a separate 
council for producers only. Later on it was 
felt that perhaps zonalisation of that would 
be better But the idea of a film council is 
not to have producers only ; in the Film 
Council all interests concerned with film 
should be represented. 

Lack of Full Utilisation of Capacity in 
Small Sector due to Paucity of Funds 

+ 

*227. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : 

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH . 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DE VELOPM ENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether small scale industries in the 
country could not fully utilise their produc- 
tion capacities and increase their level of 
production, even after the Bank Nationaliza- 
tion on account of paucity of funds and lack 
of Industiial credits ; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government propose 
to take in this regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). Following the Bank Nationalisa- 
tion there has been an increase in the flow 
of funds to the SSI Sector os also increase in 
production. However, Government will always 


endeavour to increase the tempo of investment 
and production in this sector to exploit its 
production to its fullest capacity. 

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May 
I know whether recently a survey was conduc- 
ted by 21 universities and premier research 
and academic institutions in the country for 
the banking commission, and if so whether 
the purpose of the survey was to study the 
credit needs and the problems of small scale 
industrial units and small artisans ? Have the 
Government examined the survey report and 
what steps have been taken or are likely to 
be taken to remove the difficulticf as stated 
in the survey report and how far are the 
Government ready to solve the problem ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : I 
am not aware of any such survey report. 
However, we have generally been examining 
the problems of the small scale sector and 
from time to time we have been taking them 
up with the concerned department of the 
Government. 

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : Is it a 
fact that mo»t of the sin ill-scale industries in 
Orissa have not been provided with sufficient 
funds and so they are not in a position to 
fulfil the conditions imposed by the nationalised 
banks, commercial banks and co-opcratives 
and are thus forced to borrow fiom non- 
institutional agencies ? If so may I know 
whether most of the complaints that have 
been made to the Centre are in regard to 
discrimination shown to the small- scale in- 
dustries units in Orissa ? How far have those 
complaints been looked into and what steps 
are being taken by the Centre to encourage 
the small-scale industries units in the State 7 

MR. SPEAKER : Instead of asking 
questions, he is giving information. 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : We 
have not received any complaint from the 
Government of Orissa. 

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13 


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14 


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SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : What 
was the total amount advanced by nationalised 
banks in Bihar to small-scale entrepreneurs 
before nationalisation and what is the amount 
advanced after nationalisation? Is the Minister 
aware of the wide-scale corruption prevailing 
among the employees of nationalised banks in 
Bihar because of this the small-scale entrepre- 
neurs are finding it difficult to approach them? 

• 

MR. SPEAKER : It is a general ques- 
tion which has been put. If the Minister has 
got this specific information, I have no 
objection. He says he has no information. 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : The 
total amount of advances given to small-scale 
entrepreneurs in Bihar before nationalisation 
and the amount sanctioned since then — that 
is the information which the Minister ought 
to give. I do not know whether he is aware 
of the prevalence of corruption on a wide 
scale. 

MR. SPEAKER : You are asking a 
specific question. The hon. Minister can 
supply that information to you later on. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What percentage of the total requirements of 
raw material, particularly in respect of steel, 
is being met at the present moment ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : The 
House is aware that there is a shortage of steel 
but we have made certain special allocations to 
the small-scale sector. It has recently come to 
our notice that though wc had made special 
allocations, some of the State Industrial 
Development corporations are not in a 
position to lift that steel and, therefore, it has 
created difficulties. 

Telephone connections to War Heroes* 
dependents on priority basis 

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*228. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 
KAKODKAR : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the dependents of war heroes 



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16 


have been included in the priority category 
for giving telephone connections ; 

(b) whether his Ministry has directed the 
General Manager of Telephone Districts not 
to insist on “Own Your Telephone” deposits 
from the war widows and other dependents of 
those killed in action ; and 

(c) if so , when the direction was issued ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
and (b). Yes. Dependents of officers and 
jawans killed in the recent war with Pakistan 
are provided telephone connections without 
OYT deposit on priority basis by the Heads 
of Circles/Districts without reference to the 
Telephone Advisory Committee when such 
demands are received by the Department 
through the Ministry of Defence. 

(c) 9th May, 1972. * 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA •, I compliment 
the minister on his efficiency, but may I 
know whether the system of “Own Your 
Telephone” and asking for a deposit is out 
moded, which creates all sorts of problems 
not only to the ordinary citizens but also to 
the war heroes and their dependents to get 
telephone ? May I know whether such com- 
plaints from war widows regarding the 
difficulties in the procedure for getting a 
telephone have been received ? 

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : So far as 
the war widows are concerned, they are not 
required to give any deposit. So far as 
others arc concerned, we will have the 
account settled some other time. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : May I know 
whether there are instances where the Defence 
Ministry themselves referred certain cases of 
war widows for telephones which have been 
rejected by certain district telephone officers 
and if so, what action will be taken against 
such officers ? 

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : I have not 
received any such complaint. Should such a 
complaint come, I am sure adequate action 
will be taken to the satisfaction of the hon. 
member. 

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR : 
Is it essential that applications for such 
telephones should come through the Defence 
Ministry or can they come through the 
District Magistrates to the department con- 
cerned ? 


SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : I have no 
objection to this arrangement also, but 
normally the Defence Ministry has been 
routing them to us. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am happy 
that the minister has issued instructions that 
war-widows and dependents should be given 
telephones. May I stretch it a bit and ask 
whether similar concessions will be given to 
the national heroes who were given awards 
yesterday ? 

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: This is a 
suggestion for action. We will certainly keep 
that in mind. 

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SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : Even if 
an application is duly certified by the District 
Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen’s Board or the 
District Magistrate that the applicant is a 
direct dependent of a war hero, certainly they 
will be given similar concession 

Alleged Manipulation in Telephone Bills 

+ 

*231. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any action was taken against 
the authorities who in collusion with subs- 
cribers are said to have defrauded Govern- 
ment of a few lakhs of rupees by manipula- 
ting the bill for phone calls ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes Sir. Prima facie such a case has been 
established. 

(b) One clerk, one Engineering Super- 
visor (Phones) and one Assistant Engineer 
(Phones) have been placed under suspension. 
The matter is under investigation and 
necessary action is being initiated against 
officials found responsible for the situation. 

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SRAVANA 23, 1894 (SAJTA) 


Oral Answers 


18 


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SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : If the 
working of the telephones is bad, the working 
of the accounts department is still worse. 
Not only manipulation is going on but some 
of us have received bills which we need not 
pay at all. For instance, 1 have received a 
bill for Rs. 1,700 which is wrong billing. 
Though 1 have written to the department, I 
have not received any reply so far. This 
is going on for years. What action has been 
taken to check these irregularities ? 

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: As I said 
it is not the accounts department but the 
Assistant Engineer in charge of each exchange 
who is responsible for the irregularities. 
Every quarter the Assistant Engineer sends 
to the accounts department a list of the 
number of calls made by each number. 
The accounts department calculate as to how 
much it costs. It is the Assistant Engineer, 
the Engineering Supervisor and the meter 
reader who between themselves should be 
able to check and give the correct reading. 



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20 


This has not happened. Therefore, when the 
matter came to our notice in February, 1972 
ixl relation to two or three cases, we had a 
whole series of checks made in every exchange 
and we have gone back up to 1969 in some 
and in other cases up to 1966, where we 
have found certain numbers which have not 
paid the bills that were due from them 
because of the mistake committed by the 
Assistant Engineer, Engineering Supervisor 
and the meter reader. 

SHRI A. P. SHARMA : Now it has 
been established that there js excess billing 
and wrong billing going on in a large num- 
ber of cases. Therefore, I would like to know 
what steps are being taken to see that wrong 
billing does not take place in future ? I want 
to know what is the relief given in those 
cases where there has been excess billing 
or wrong billing ? 

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we are concerned with uijder-billing. Here 
is a case where bills have not been sent to 
the people when due. But so far as excess 
billing and other things are concerned, the 
Committee on Petitions has made recommen- 
dations that we should go into the question 
of accounts kept by the Delhi Telephones. 
We had decided to appoint such a com- 
mitee. Meanwhile, the Estimates Committee 
has also come into the picture. We have 
requested the Estimates Committee to permit 
us to go ahead with the committee as sug- 
gested by the Petitions Committee. 

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Oral Answers 


SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 


22 


SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : Has the 
Government made any efforts to develop a 
meter which could be installed with the tele- 
phone of the subscriber so that these alleged 
complaints are eliminated ? Secondly, it has 
been said that they have to identify the 
problem. May I know how long will they 
take to solve it ? 

SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA : So far ar 
the meter is concerned, our telephone re- 
search cell has produced one charge-indicator 
which we call S. T. D. meter. But that is 
still under field test and I am not sure 
whether we have really succeeded in making 
one. However, it has been our constant 
effort to find out if we could produce a 
meter which could be installed in the subs- 
criber’s permises, and as soon as it is ready, 
it shall certainly be done. 

Allegation against Chairman National 
Institute of Designs, Ahmedabad by Vice- 
Admiral Soman 

*232. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Vice-Admiral Soman, who 
was recently dismissed from the Director- 
ship of the National Institute of Designs in 
Ahmedabad, has made certain serious allega- 
tions against the Chairman of the Governing 
Body of the Institute ; 

(b) whether Government have made 
any investigation into these allegations ; 

(c) if so, the findings thereof ; and 

(d) the action taken thereon ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) to (d). The services of Vice-Admiral B. S. 
Soman as Executive Director of the National 
Institute of Design, Ahmedabad were termi- 
nated with effect from 3rd Jnly, 1972 in 
accordance with the conditions of his 
appointment. Certain allegations subsequently 
made by him regarding the working of the 
Institute, which' appeared in the Press, have 
come to the notice of the Government. He 
has also recently furnished Government with 
certain further allegations. All these are 
being examined. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I would 
like to know whether it it is a fact that the 


Executive Director of this Institute is ap- 
pointed by the Governing Council and if 
that is so, whether Government are aware 
of the fact that, in the case Admiral Soman, 
the decision to terminate his services was 
taken in a meeting of the Governing Coun- 
cil in which out of eight members four were 
absent, one was opposed to the decision of 
termination and only two of the members 
and the Chairman were in favour of sacking 
him. Out of eight members, three were in 
favour, one was against and four were ab- 
sent. Does the Government consider it cor- 
rect or regular for a Governing Council to 
take a decision in this fashion terminating 
the services of the Executive Director who is 
the main executive of the Institute ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY * (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : There t are rules governing the 
meeting and the quorum required. If those 
conditions are satisfied, legally it is a cor- 
rect decision. But I do agree, it looks a litde 
bit anomalous. All these things are now 
under examination. We will go into it fully 
and when the*e matters are investigated, if 
necessary, it will be provided to the mem- 
ber for information. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I would 
like to know whether this inquiry or investi- 
gation is going to be done departmentally or 
whether any particular committee has been 
set up, because I understand that quite a 
large sum of money by way of grants to this 
Institute has been given by the Government. 
I would also like to know from him whether, 
in the complaints that have been received, 
this is also there that a particular industria- 
list’s family of Ahmedabad which is more 
or less controlling this Institute is getting 
many of their own concerns earn profits and 
commissions by virtue of work which is given 
to them by this Institute. Their own fac- 
tories and concerns are making profit out of 
it. I would like to know whether this is the 
way Government’s grants are to be utilised. 
Who is to do the inquiry and investigation ? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : I intend 
asking a high official to look into it, and if 
further investigations are necessary, we shall 
certainly consider it. But the 'straight factor 
here is this. Admiral Soman himself was 
appointed on 19-10-1970. He was in position 
till 3-7-1972. Till he was relieved, we have 
not received any repost from him or any 
complaint from him. It is only after he was 



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AUGUST 16, 1972 


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24 


discharged that he has made all the com- 
plaints and allegations. Therefore, it is a 
matter which will have to be looked into 
carefully. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Quite apart 
from the lights or wrongs in this matter 
or what the complaints of individuals 
may be, there is a certain pci formance which 
this National Institute of Design is supposed 
to have given. Over so many years crores 
of rupees have been spent and the outcome, 
the result, has been rather disastrous, to say 
the least. I wnat to know whether Govern- 
ment is agitated over this matter about the 
results versus investment and whether a full 
inquiry into the complete working and the 
management of the Institute is contemplated 
so that, in case the management has been 
found wanting, the management may be 
changed. The idea is very good, money has 
been spent, equipment is there, but thcic is 
no lesult • • 

SHRI C. SUBRAM AM AM : I am 
grateful to the hon. Member for the very 
valuable suggestions he has made. We will 
certainly go info the entire working of this 
institute. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I think Admiral 
Soman has rendered service for a substantial 
period in the Indian Navy. I want to know 
whether there is anything on the record of 
his past performance in the Navy to show 
that these allegations are of a motivated 
nature or any aspersions can be cast on 
Admiral Soman. 

SHRI C*. SUBR\MAM\M : I am not 
casting any aspersions I have placed the 
facts. As long as he was associated with the 
Institute, no complaint has come and later 
on, he has made 'Therefore, this is a matter 
which requires full investigation. Certainly, 

I do not know his performance in the Navy 
blit I am sure he might have had an admira- 
ble record. So, that is not a question under 
consideration. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : All Admirals are 
admirable. 

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Narcndra Singh- 
absent. • 

Proposed T. V. Station daring Fourth Five 
Year Plan 

+ 

*234. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI G. Y. KIUSHNAN : 

Will the Minister of INFORMATION 


AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of T. V. Stations proposed 
to be established during the current Fourth 
Five Year plan ; and 

(b) the location, State-wise, where they 
are going to be commissioned ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Six. 


(b) Maharashtra 

J & K 
Punjab 
West Bengal 
U. P. 

Tamil Nadu 


— Bombay/Poona 
— Srinagar 
— Amritsar 
— Calcutta 
— Lucknow/Kanpur 
— Madras 


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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 


26 


SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : Our TV policy 
is that wc have been expanding the TV cove- 
rage slowly. As my colleague has already put 
to you, in some States it is being started this 
year. Four metropolitan cities will get cover- 
ed in the Fourth Plan and then we are setting 
up in Srinagar and Punjab for obvious reasons. 
The other State capitals we will begin covering 
in the Fifth Plan. 

SHRI VIRBHADRA SINGH : Is there 
any proposal before the Government to set up 
a relay station so that the programmes tele- 
cast from Delhi or from Mussoorie can be 
seen in places like Simla ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : We are at the 
moment trying to expand the programme as 
far as possible by setting up relay stations. One 
such proposal is to have a relay station at 
Musfoorie which would cover the Western UP 
as well as some parts of Haryana. We always 
explore the possibility of setting up relay 
stations so that the TV programmes can be 
seen as extensively as possible. I am trying 
to explore whether it is possible to cover Simla 
also Some parts of Simla even now can get. 

SOME 1 ION. MEMBERS 

MR. SPEAKER . No, please. 

SHRI N. K P. SALVE : The whole 
central area is left. 

SHRI S. M. RANERJEE : What about 
Kanpur 7 Kanpur has always sulTered. 

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WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Conference of^State Ministers of Housing 

*201. SHRI SHRIK1SHAN MODI : 

SHR*I SHASHI BHUSHAN : 

Will ihe Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Government has 
suggested that the State Governments should 
take immediate steps for setting up develop- 
ment authorities in major towns ; 

(b) whether this subject was discussed at 
a Conference of State Ministers of Housing 
held in Delhi in the 2nd week of July, 1972 , 
and 

(c) the other major points discussed at 
the Conference and decision taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK- 
SHIT) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) A statement is laid down on the Table 
of the Sabha. 

Statement 

The Confeiencc of State Ministers of 
Housing, Town Planning ancl Urban Deve- 
lopment held in New Delhi in July, 1972 con- 
sidered various questions relating to housing 
and urban development policy, implementa- 
tion of the three Central sector housing 
schemes, terms and conditions of loans granted 
by HUDCO, and preparation and enforcement 
of regional and Master Plans, etc., and made 



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AUGUST 16, 1972 


Written Answers 


28 


the following major recommendations : 

(i) All uibanisable land should be socia- 
lised so that the Government can have 
effective con'iol over land-use, and can 
also recover unearned increments in 
the value of such lands for the benefit 
of the community. 

(u) High priority should be given to hous- 
ing and it should be reflected in larger 
financial allocations made for imple- 
mentation of various housing program- 
mes. An attempt should be made to 
provide an outlay of the Older of 
atleast Rs. 500 crures per annum at 
the Central and State levels during 
the Filth Flan period to meet the 
backlog and current requirements of 
bousing for the lower income groups, 

r- 

(ni) 25% of the provisions made under 
each of the two new central sector 
schemes, viz , (a) Scheme for Provision 
of House-sites to LandGss Workers in 
Rural \reas (hi Scheme foi Environ- 
mental Improvement of Slums should 
be lelcased to the State Governments 
immediately on receipt of their pro- 
ject proposals piovidtd they have been 
formulated in conformity with the 
Scheme in order to enable them to go 
ahead with the piojects. 

(iv) Administrative /technical machinery, 

both at the Ccntic and in the States, 
should be suitably strengthened and 
geared to the task of speedy implemen- 
tation of the schemes. 

(\) Legislation on Laud reforms and con- 
ferment of home-stead rights on those 
landless workers who are in occupa- 
tion of land in the rural areas as 
house-sites, should be tied up with 
the Scheme foi Provision of House- 
sites to Landless Workers in Rural 
Areas. To reduce the cost of acquisi- 
tion of land under this Scheme, Land 
Acquisition Acts of Central and State 
Governments should be amended in 
the light of the 25th Amendment to 
the Constitution. 

(vi) The Scheme, for Environmental Im- 
provement of Slum Areas is restricted 
to slums not earmarked for clearance 
during the next 10 years. This period 
is too long and should be reduced to 
5 years. The scope of the scheme 
should also be extended to States 


where no city or town is at piesent 
coveted by the Scheme to enable them 
to carry out improvements in slums 
in their capital city (or any other city 
considered important by them). 

(vii) To resolve procedural and other diffi- 
culties in the implementation of the 
Subsidised Housing Scheme for Plan- 
tation Workers, two regional meetings 
should be held towards the end of 
September, 1972 — one at Darjeeling for 
the Eastern Region and the other at 
Ooty for the Southern Region. The 
State Governments should also be 
given powers under this Scheme to 
sanction projects which involve the 
grant of subsidy alone (without loins) 
to the Planters. 

(viii) HUDGO should be piovidcd with a 
substantial portion of its resources 
repayable over a period not less than 
25 years, m order to fulfil the social 
and pressing need ot housing for the 
economically weaker sections of the 
society 

(ix) The State Governrmnts should take 
immediate action to set up statutory 
urban development authorities for their 
large and growing towns. 

(x) The Stale Govcinmt nts should chaw 
up Master Plans for all cities, and 
take urgent action to enact com pi o 
hensivc town planning legislation so 
that the Master Plans can be legally 
(and adequately) enforced. 

(xi) The State Planning Departments 
should prepare comprehensive city 
development programmes for impor- 
tant cities in their States, with special 
emphasis on investments of a self- 
generating type, and ensure their 
integration with the State Five Year 
Plans for implementation during Fifth 
Plan period. 

Community Development Blocks without 
Primary Health Centres and without 
Doctors 

*202. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Community Develop- 
ment Blocks in India, State-wise ; 



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(b) the number of Community Develop- 
ment Blocks where no Primary Centres have 
been established and number of Community 
Development Blocks with Primary Health 
Centres where no doctors have been provided. 
State-wise ; and 

(c) the action taken or proposed to be 
taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK- 
SHIT) : (a) to (c). A statement is laid on 
the Tabic of the Sabha. [Placed in Library . 
See No. LT— 3375/72] 

Conditions of Rice Seized at Bitragunta 
Station during 1971 

*203 SIIRI D\SARATHA DEB : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
about 24,000 bags of ri< e, seized at Bitragunta 
Railway Station (Andhra) last year is rotting 
in the godown ; and 

(b) whether that rice still remains fit for 
human < onsurnption ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNAS AIIEIl P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
10,200 bags of rice seized by the Slate Govern- 
ment of Vndhra Pradesh on 15 7 71 are lying 
at Bitragunta. The State Government have 
reported that the bulk of the lots are well 
within the limits of consumable condition 
needing only winnowing and cleaning. 

Steps to Increase Food Production due 
to Shortfall during 1971-72 

*204. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 

DR. MAHIPATRAY MEHTA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to improve the production of foodgrains 
which declined m 1971-72 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAIIEB P. SHINDE) : Firm estimates 
of foodgrains production in 1971-72 are not 
yet available. Government have, however, 
taken various measures to increase the produc- 
tion of foodgrains in the country. These 
include (i) extension of area under the high- 
yielding varieties programme, (ii) bunging 
additional area under multiple cropping 


programme, (lii) starting of Central sector 
scheme of minikit programme oi rice, (iv) 
launching of Centrally sponsored scheme for 
quick multiplication of seeds and demonstra- 
tions of newly evolved varieties of pulses, 
(v) intensive development of irrigation parti- 
cularly ground water resources, (vi) adequate 
and timely supply of inputs like seeds, ferti- 
lisers and credit and (vii) surveillance of 
pests and diseases and well organised plant 
protection measuies. In addition, a massive 
rabi production programme is contemplated 
for the ensuing rabi season. 

Rice lying with Millers of Krishna and 
West Godavari District of Andhra 
Pradesh 

*205. SHRI NAVAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : 

SHRI* SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE lie 
pleased to state*: 

(a) whether about 18000 tons of boiled 
rice is lying with the millers al Krishna and 
West Godavari District of Andhra Pradesh ; 

(b) if so, whether the rice is about to be 
destioyrd and the millers and other concerned 
individuals arc being put to loss ; and 

(c) the steps being taken by the Govern- 
ment of India to put a check on adulteration 
of this rice with superior quality rice in the 
country, in case this rice is icmovcd from 
there ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) No, Sir. 

(c) The iclcvant provisions of law relating 
to the marketing of ticc as fit lor human 
consump tion will also apply to these stocks 
of rirc. 

Pay Scale of Binders working in National 
Museum, Archaeological Department, 
National Archives and Government of 

India Press 
% 

*206. SHRI G. K. C.HANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the pav scale of Binders working in 
the (i) National Museum (ii) Archaeological 
Department (iii) National Archives and (iv) 
Government of India Press New Delhi ; and 



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(b) the steps being taken to upgrade the 
pay scale of the Binders in the National Archi- 
ves, where work is of superior and fine 
quality ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 


(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) s (a) A state- 
ment indicating the existing scales of Binders 
is laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

(b) The Third Pay Commission is seized 
of the matter. Decision will be taken in the 
light of its recommendation. 


Statement 


S.No. Name of the Office Designation of the post Scale of Pay 


1 . National Museum 


Book Binder 


2 . 


3. 


4. 


Archaeological Survey of India (i) Book Binder 

(ii) Junior Book Binder 

« 

National Archives Binder 

Government of Indfa Press, (i) Binder Grade I 
New Delhi. 

t 

(ii) Binder Grade II 


Rs. 130-5-160-8-200- 
EB-8-256-EB-8- 
280-10-300. 

Rs. 125-3-131-4-163- 
EB-4- 175-5- 180. 
Rs. 80-1-85-2-95-EB- 
3-1 10. 

Rs. 100-3-130. 

Rs. 150-5-180. 


Rs. 110-3-131-4-143- 
EB-4-155. 


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Breakdown of D.T.G* Basra 

*206. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 



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been drawn to the news-item appearing in the 
Indian Express dated 20th July* 1972 that 
over ten per cent of D. T. C. buses on Delhi 
roads break-down every day ; 

(b) whether Government have inquired 
into the high percentage of daily break-downs 
and also the steps taken to remedy the 
matter ; and 

(c) whether Government have tried to 
tackle thi problem of missing trips by D. T. C. 
buses and to what extent Government’s efforts 
have been successful ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) t 
fa) Yes, Sir. The fact, however, is that, 
whereas the percentage of break-downs per 
clay in relation to the number of buses on 
road was 2G.‘> in October, 1971, it is 25 4 
per day now. Further, the new management 
of the D« lhi Transport Corporation took over 
buses from the I) T. U. on 3 11. 71, 
out of which ncaily 524 were more than 
eight years old 

(b) The Delhi Tiansport Corporation is 
taking steps to reduce the rate of breakdowns 
l>\ pressing new and irnovated buses into 
sc? vice and scrapping the over-aged ones and 
constructing new depots to improve the stand- 
aid of in.untc nnner ol buses 

(r) Yes, Sir. The percentage of trips 
missed has been brought down from 31.6 in 
October. 1971 to 21.1 current!). 

Showing of J. and K. as a Separate 
Country in «X* Standard Text Book in 
Mysore State 

*209. SHRI DHXRAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the Ministci of EDUCA- 
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether in the State of Mysore in the 
r X' Standard text book, Jammu and Kashmir 
has been shown separate country in the 
maps ; and 

(l>) if so, the reaction of Central Govern- 
ment thereto ? 

THE MINIS! ER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
Necessary information is being collected and 
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha m soon 
as possible. 


Acquisition of Coastal Vessels 

*210. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is an urgent need to 
acquire small coastal vessels to develop coastal 
shipping ; 

(b) if so, the number of such vessels 
required ; and 

(c) whether any steps have been taken to 
acquire such ships ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) A Sub-Qpmmittee of the National 
Shipping Board, which is a statutory body, is 
examining the c|uestion of the tonnage requ- 
ired to meet our coastal requirements. 

* 

(c) Orders for 10 dry cargo vessels of a 
total of about 1,20,000 GRT and for 5 coastal 
tankers of about 63,000 GRT have been 
placed abroad. 

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Students’ Representation on Governing 
Bodies of Universities 

*212. SHRI K. B A L ADH AN DAY U - 
TIIAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state 3 

(a) whether the proposal to give represen- 
tation to students in the governing bodies of 
the Universities has not yet been implemen- 
ted ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for the delay in 
implementing the proposal ? 

THE MINISTER OF, EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
The recommendations made by the Gajendra- 
gadkar Committee in its report on Governance 
of the Universities, including those relating to 
Student’s participation in University Adminis- 
tration, have been accepted in principle by 
the University Grants Commission and the 
Central Government. The implementation of 
some of these recommendations would require 
amendment of the Acts of the Universities 
and further action in this regard is to be 
taken by State Governments and the Central 
Government. So far as the Central Govern- 
ment is concerned, these recommendations 
have already been taken into account while 
amending the Aligarh Muslim University Act. 
Similar action will be taken while formulating 
comprehensive legislative proposals of other 
Central Universities. 

The University Grants Commission have 
forwarded the report to the Universities. It is 
hoped that the Universities will take action 
on those aspects of participation which fall 
within their powers. 

Complaints regarding Irregular Supply 

of Seeds and Fertilizers to States 

*213. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints from certain States regarding 
irregular supply of seeds and chemical ferti- 
lizers to farmers ; and 


(b) if so, the reaction of Government in 
this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). Yes, 
Sir. Complaints have been received from 
some States regarding inadequate supply of 
seeds and chemical fertilisers to farmers. 

Regarding seeds, the States Government 
arrange for the pioduction of the required 
quantities of seeds ; and these efforts arc 
supplemented by the National Seeds Corpora- 
tion, Tarai Development Corporation and 
State Farms Corporation of India. A com- 
plaint was received from the State Govern- 
ment of West Bengal regarding non-supply 
of seeds of paddy variety IET 1991 by the 
National Seeds Corporation and this is being 
investigated. 

Regarding fertilisers, coordinated supply 
plans are diawn up onre in six months by the 
Government of India, in consultation with the 
Stale Governments and domestic manufac- 
turers. The Central Government ai ranges for 
import of fertilisers to cover the deficits in 
indigenous production. However, it is for the 
State Governments to organise distribution of 
imported fertilisers in such manner as they 
deem necessary for timely supply to farmers. 

Owing to difficulties encountered by indi- 
genous factories and also difficulties in the 
import of fertilisers, the supply position this 
year has not been satisfactory. While every 
effort is bring made to increase indigenous 
production and import availabilities, the foll- 
owing measures have been taken to ensure 
just and equitable distribution of available 
stocks amongst the States : — 

(i) An order has been promulgated under 
the Essential Commodities Act, making it 
obligatory for the manufacturers to supply 
quantities of fertilisers to the States, as com* 
mitted by them during the Zonal Conferences. 
This will ensure that the feitilisers are not 
sold only in a few pockets in the country and 
that all the States get the supplies on an 
equitable basis. 

(ii) Orders have also been passed under 
the Fertiliser Control order, compelling the 
manufacturers to report to the Central and 
State Governments every month the actual 
supplies made by them and also the proposed 
to be supplied. This will enable States to 
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(iii) Government have taken over 30% 
of the Ammonium Sulphate produced within 
the country to be distributed through State 
agencies like cooperatives Agro-Industries 
Corporations etc. for priority crops and area*. 

(iv) The States have been advised to pre- 
pare a careful inventory of stocks available in 
godowns of cooperatives and retail dealers, to 
enable optimum utilisation of the available 
fertilisers. 

(v) The manufacturei s have been asked 
to channel their output through cooperative 
organisations, in order to minimise the chance 
of mal-practices. 

Estimates of Production of foodg rains 
during 1971-72 

*214. SI 1RI SI I YAM NANDAN MISHRA: 
Will the Minister ol AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) tin number of estimates of the pro- 
duction of foodgiains made during a year ; 

(b) the periods during which they are 
made available to the Government ; and 

(c) the different estimates of the produc- 
tion ol foodgiains during 1971-72 ? 

HIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAllLll P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
Estimates of production of foodgrains based 
on complete enumeration of area and results 
of crop cutting experiments foi yields are 
made only once m a year. 'These estimates 
gcneiallv become available aftei the close of 
the agricultural var, i e. some tune in July- 
August. For 1971-72, these estimates are still 
being compiled. 

Rise in price of fertiliser and its effect 
on grain production 

*215. SHRI J IAR I SINGH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the unusual rising of pi ices of the fertilisers in 
the country ; 

(b) if so, the causes thereof ; and 

(c) whether this unusual price rise of 
fertilisers is not to affect badly the grain 
production in the country .•* 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 


ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
There is a statutory price control on th< 
retail prices of three important fertilisers 
which cover more than about 60% of the 
consumption in the country, namely Urea, 
Ammonium Sulphate and C.A.N. Sale of 
these fertilisers whether of imported origin or 
domestically manufactured, at prices exceed- 
ing the statutory levels is an offence under 
the Fertiliser (Control) Order. 

There is no control on the prices of other 
fertilisers, but the price levels tend to conform 
to the price structure of imported fertilisers, 
which are channelised through the State 
Governments and public agencies at fair 
prices. However it is likely that some elements 
arc taking advantage of the present difficult 
supply position, and charging high prices. 
The State Governments have been asked to 
exercise strict vigilance and take action where 
such instances come to notice. 

There has been no unusual rise in prices 
of fertilisers in the Country. The prices of 
all imported and domestically manufactured 
fertilisers had to be increased in March, 1972 
only to absoib the duty on fertilisers made in 
the budget proposals for 1972-73. Apart from 
this, there has been no increase in the price 
of imported fertilisers during the past three 
years. On the other hand, the prices of both 
imported and domestically manufactured 
fertilise! s were reduced marginally in respect 
of Ammonium Sulphate by Rs. 10/- per tonne 
with effect from 5.8.69, Munate of Potash by 
Rs. 10 per tonne with effect from 1.1.71 and 
Urea by Rs. 20/- per tonne w.e.f. 4.3.71. In 
fact, the price of imported Ammonium Sul- 
phate (coloured or powdery vaiicty) was 
reduced by Rs. 100/- per tonne during the 
year 1969-70. 

(c) The increase in fertiliser prices as 
indicated above has not affected adversely the 
grain production in the country. On the 
other hand, scientific use of fertilisers is a 
profitable proposition considering their pro- 
ductivity and incentive prices of Agricultural 
produce. The increase in fertiliser use in the 
last three years has been respectively 13%, 
14% and 22%. 

Bridge in Seven Hours 

*216. SIIRI S. A. MURUG\NAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
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‘ Times of India' dated 8th July, 1972 
captioned ‘Bridge in seven hours’ ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
support, assist and help the scheme of quick 
budge making ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 

(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) It is essentially a form of unit type 
ol bridging in steel designed, patented and 
fabricated by Bhagat Engineering Co , Private 
Ltd , Bombay. 

(c) In view of the claims made by the 
firm with regard to the* cost and the time 
required for construction, Government hopes 
that the claim made by the firm will receive 
due consideration from the g authorities con- 
cerned when enquiries are floated for works 
involving use of the type of structure evolved 
by them. 

Cheap House by N.B.O. 

*217. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
M \NDAL : Will the Minister of WORKS 
AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
received a suggestion from National Building 
Organisation regai ding the cost at which a 
cheap house can be constructed in Delhi ; 

(b) if so, the salient features of the pro- 
posals : and 

(f ) whether the suggestion has since bern 
examim d by Government and if so, with what 
results ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSIin ) : (a) to (c) Government of India 
have not received any suggestion from the 
National Buildings Organisation regarding 
a design for a cheap house specifically for 
Delhi However, the National Buildings 
Organisation has prepared a design and the 
specifications for single storeyed low cost 
housing This provides for units of three 
tenements each and each unit is estimated to 
cost Rs 14,283 exclusive of the cost of land. 
Government are considering a proposal to 
Construct a unit of this design and specifica- 
tions with a view to testing the design. 


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Minimum Standards for Sky Scrappers 
in Connaught Place, New Delhi 

*219 SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
M \L1K . 

SHRI R KM PR VKUSII : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the New Delhi Redevelop- 
ment Advisory Committee has n < omintnded 
some measures and minimum standards for 
sky sciappcts in and around Connaughl 
Place area ; and 

(b) if so, its main rrromme ndations and 
Government’s decision tint eon ■* 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH \M> FAMILY 
PLANNINC; (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) The Committer has not yet 
submitted its report to Government. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Scarcity of Sugar in States 

*220. SHRI Y. KSWARA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

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reported from some States ; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government have 
taken to ensure adequate supply of sugar in 
all parts of the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) On account of the 
fall in production of sugar this year, there is 
a general shortage of it. However, within the 
limits of the availability, regular monthly 
releases of sugar are being made for distribu- 
tion to domestic consumers through controlled 
channels and for sale in the open market. 
There has been some delay and dislocation 
during July, 1972, in the supply of levy sugar 
to a few of the States as a result of the 
interim orders obtained by some factories in 
the Supreme Court and the various High 
Courts restraining the Government from 
infoicing the Sugar (Price Determination) 
Ordei, 1972. All the same, 90.3% of the 
release quota of levy sugar has been lifted 
fiom factories in July, 1972. 

(h) Action has been initiated to have the 
decisions of the Courts expedited. In order to 
ensure an unintetruptid supply of sugar to 
all parts ol the country, instructions have been 
issued to the State Governments to strengthen 
and streamline the distribution machinery 
and more particularly to ensure that the 
limits on holding of stocks by dealers, and on 
sale and despatch by factories are not 
contravened. 

Leakage of Revenue in Trunk Dialling 

*221 STIR I NIHAR LASKAR : Will the 
Mimstet of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether enquiry has revealed that 
there was a large leakage of revenue in the 
Subset iber Trunk Dialling calls , and 

(b) if so, the eflbits being made to reco- 
ver the bills fiom such subscribers who got de- 
flated bills ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H, N. BAHUGUNA): (a) 
Enquiries completed so far have revealed that 
ci rtain subscribt rs have not been fully billed. 
Further enquiries however are still under way. 

(1>) Supplementary bills in relation to 
subscribers so far identified for having not 
been fully charged, are being issued. 


Reduction of Licensed Capacity in Tape 
Recorder Industry 

*222. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to be 
state: 

(a) whether Government have decided to 
reduce the licensed capacity in the tape recor- 
der industry by 40 per cent ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) No Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Dalton Ganj-Patna Telephone Lines Inactive 

*229. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI: 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
he pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Telephone line between 
Dalton Ganj and Patna (Bihar) is in an inac- 
tive position and is being used by the people 
only 4 days a week ; and 

(b) if so, the leasons therefoi ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) No 
Sir. 

(b) The question does not arise. 

P. & T. Colony Kidwaipuri, Patna 

*230. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state: 

(a) the progress of the construction of 
Pints and Telegraphs building at Patna in the 
Posts and Telegraphs Colony Kidwaipuri ; and 

(b) whether Government propose to open 
any Central School in that building? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) 
The construction of Primary School cum com- 
munity hall building in P. & T. Colony, Kid- 
waipuri, in Patna is in progress. 

(b) No Sir. 

Stolen Mall Found in Paddy Fields 

*233. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : Will 
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether 1,000 letteis, stolen from mail 
bags at Navakkal, near Ernakulam, were found 



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in the paddy field if so, whether the culprits 
have been traced ; 

(b) the action taken by Government 
against the culprits ; and 

(c) the steps Government propose to take 
to prevent such thefts in future? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) 
Bunches of about COO letters suspected to have 
been stolen from Cochin Air Sorting were 
uneaithcd from a paddy field in Narakkal near 
Cochin in May, 1972. The case is still under 
police investigation and culprits have not yet 
been traced. 

(b) In view of (a) above, question docs 
not arise. 

(c) Necessary precautions and remedial 
measures for tightening up supervision and se- 
curity arrangements have been taken. 

\ 

Directives to States to Fill quota of Posts 
Reserved for Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes 

*236. SHRI V. MAYA VAN: Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have issued di- 
rectives to all the Government departments at 
the Centre as well as to all the State Govern- 
ments to fill up the quota of reservation for 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the States and 
Union Government Departments ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NI WAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b) 
Instructions have been issued from time to 
time to all Central Ministries and Departments 
prescribing the various steps to be taken for 
securing scheduled caste and scheduled tribe 
candidates against vacancies reserved for them 
These instructions arc required to be strictly 
observed by all the appointing authorities. The 
reservations for scheduled castes and scheduled 
tribes in the Services in the States arc the con- 
cern of the respective State Governments un- 
der article 335 r^ad with article 16(4) and 12 
of the Constitution. As such, while no direc- 
tive in this regard can be issued by the Go- 
vernment of India to State Governments, the 
former has been impressing upon the latter the 
need to take appropriate steps to secure ade- 
quate representation to the members of sche- 
duled castes and scheduled tribes in the Ser- 
vices and posts under them. 


A.I.R. Correspondents 

*237. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- 
PATRA : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government plan to change 
the part-time A. I. R. Correspondents to full- 
time ones and increase their salary ; 

(b) whether the Correspondents arc also 
appointed for special jobs as on agriculture, 
labour, education, youth etc., if so, how many 
such are there in Orissa ; and 

(c) the number of Districts in Orissa with- 
out A. I. R. Correspondents ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : 

(a) There is no such proposal at present. 

(b) AIR has appointed Conespondents 
for coverage of agriculture and for youth pro- 
grammes at a few places Orissa has one Cor- 
respondent fur agricultural covciagc. It has 
no Correspondent specially for youth coverage 

(c) Five. 

Alleged Assault on a Mentally retarded 
Female by Police party while taking her 
to a Delhi Court 

*238. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

SHRI B. S. BHAURA : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a mentally retarded female 
inmate of the Central Jail of Delhi was cri- 
minally assaulted by the escorting Police 
party on July 3, 1972 when she was taken to 
a Delhi Court ; 

(b) if so, whether a high level enquiry 
has been instituted into this mattei ; and 

(c) if so, action taken against those found 
guilty and steps taken to stop recurrence of 
such incidents in future ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) An allegation to this 
effect has been made. 

(b) An inquiry officer has been appoint- 
ed to enquire into the allegations 

(c) The Inquiry report is awaited. A 
criminal case has been registered in the police 



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46 


station and the two constables forming 
the escort party have been suspended. A 
separate vehicle with an escort consisting of 
lady police is being provided for escorting 
female prisoners. 

V.H.F. a New Telephone System for 
Rural areas 

*239. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : 

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH i 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS he pleased to state : 

(a) whether a new rural telephone sys- 
tem called V. H. F. system is being experi- 
mented ; 

(l>) if so, whether it will provide simul- 
taneous speak and hear facilities ; 

(c) whether this new type of Jink is ex- 
pected to result in greater reliability, easier 
operation ; and 

(d) if so, how long it will take to take it 
to far away places in rural aieas ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes Sir. A single channel V. H. F. system has 
c lev* loped for such areas. 

(b) Yes Sir. It provides both speak and 
hear facilities just like an ordinary telephone ; 

(c) This telephone system is expected to 
be more reliable and easy to handle in geo- 
giaphical areas where it is difficult to erect and 
maintain open wire lines. 

(d) It is proposed to instal such systems, 
in the iirst instance, in hilly and backward 
aieas. 'Flic first few systems are expected to 
be installed this year. 

Tyre-factories in Public Sector 

♦240. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO- 
GY be pleased to state : 

(a; the number and location of Tyre- 
factories functioning in the country in public 
sector ; and 

(b) the manufacturing capacity of each 
of the factories ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 


TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMAN- 
IAM) : (a) There is no central public sector 
Tyre factory in the country ; 

(b) Does not arise. 

Progress of State Farm at Barpeta Assam 

1980. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the progress so far made by the 
State Farm established at Barpeta Assam ; 

(b) the total number of Officers drawing 
above Rs. 500 p. m., employees drawing 
below Rs. 500 p. m. and workers so far 
appointed ; 

(c) the total amount of money spent so 
far in this regard ; and 

(d) the total production up to the end 
of April, 1972 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Total 
area of the farm at present is 5,000 acres. 
Operations in the area were commenced in 
November, 1971. Recruitment of staff, pro- 
curement of machinery and equipment for the 
farm, construction of temporary sheds deve- 
lopment of land etc. have already been taken 
in hand. So far 532 acres have been reclaim- 
ed. It was possible to put about 30 acres of 
land under cultivation in rabi 1971-72. Total 
area so far cultivated in Kharif 1972 is 110 
acres. 

(b) As on 30th June, 1972, two Officers 
were drawing pay above Rs. 500 p.m and 
nine employees below Rs. 500 p. m. From 10 
to 250 workers have been employed since the 
farm was set up. 

(c) Rs. 3,61,187/- upto 30.6.72. 

(d) 145 quintals of wheat. 

Poultry Farm and Nutritious Food Dis- 
tribution Centres in M.P. 

1981. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of poultry farms and 
nutritious food distribution Centres function- 
ing in the State of Madhya Pradesh, district- 
wise ; and 

(b) the particulars regarding the finan- 
cial contribution of Centre and the State 
during last three yean in this regard ? 



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48 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The infor- 
mation is being collected from the State 
Government and will be placed on the table 
of the House when collected. 

Promoting Education ««**«■§ Adivasis of 
Madhya Pradesh 

1982. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA • Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount spent for Adivasis in 


Madhya Pradesh* during the last three years 
by way of granting scholarships and other 
facilities for promoting education among them 
yeai^wise and district-wise ; and 

(b) the number of persons benefited by 
the Scheme, district-wise ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO- 
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). A statement is 
laid on the Table of the Sabha. 


Statement 

Central Sector (Rs. in lakhs) 


Year 

Post Matric Scholarships 

Girls Hostel 


ti 

Expenditure 

Targets 

Expenditure 

Targets 

1969-70 

5.36* 

3319 Scholarships 

— 

— 

1970-71 

4.39* , 

2880 

0,9G 

20 hostels 

1971-72 

5.48* 

3700 

1 80 

20 hostels 


* Excluding committed expenditure of Rs. 11. G6 lakhs 


State Sector 


Expenditure 


'Pargets achieved 


1969-70 1970-71 1971-72 

(Rs. in lakhs) 

87.46 120.59 190.80 


1969-70 1970-71 1971-72 


1. Pre-Matric 60000 
Scholarships 

2. Mid-day meals 6 lakhs 

3. Reimbursement 5750 
of tution and 

Board Exam, 
fees. 

4. Hostels 80 

5. Ashram Schools 3 


6. Additional sti- 216 

pends in general 

I. T. I. 

7. Post Matric — 

hostels. 


66000 

75000 

7 lakhs 

8 lakhs 

6325 

6967 

100 

200 

3 

15 & 
upgrading of 
11 V* P. 
Ashrams 

267 

300 

4 

5 


The figures in respect of 1971-72 are anticipated. The District-wise information i* 
not available. 


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50 


Sale price of Milk Products of D. M. S. 
in Parliament House 

1983. SIIRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will ihe Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the sale price of the following pro- 
ducts marketed by the Delhi Milk Scheme 
and sold at the Parliament House Counter ; 
(i) Milk Shake and Lassi plain ; (ii) Milk 
Shake and Lassi Sweet ; (iii) Milk Shake 
with Ice Cream and (iv) Milk Shake with 
Ice Cream and Syrup ; 

(b) whether no price chart has been dis- 
played at the Stalls in Parliament House, if 
.so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(e) whether any measure has been laid 
down foi mixing of water in Curd for pre- 
paring Lassi both plain and sweetish and if 
1,(3, the measurement thereof and if not, the 
i casons thcicfor f 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SUER SINGH) : (a) The sale prices of 
various milk pioducts sold by Delhi Milk 
Scheme at the Parliament House counter are 
given below : 


Milk product 

Price 

paise per 
glass 

Remarks 

( 1 ) Milk Shake, plain 


Not sold 

Lassi, plain 

45 

— 

(ii) Milk Shake sweet 

53 

— 

Lassi sweet 

60 

— 

[ 111 ) Milk Shake with 



ice cream 

— 

Not sold 

[iv) Milk Shake with 



ice cream and 

98 

with 75 cc 

syrup 


ice-cream 



cup 


128 

with 125 cc 



ice-cream 



cup 


(b) The prices of various milk products 
told in the Parliament House Stall/Milk Bar 
ar <* generally well known. Price charts are 
hung up when any change is effected in the 
sale prices. 


(c) No, Water is added to Curd for pre- 
paring Lassi, according to customer’s taste. 

Seats available in All India Institute 
of Medical Sdences f New Delhi 

1984. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMI- 
LY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of seats available in 
the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, 
New Delhi for graduate and postgraduate 
courses ; 

(b) the total number of applications 
received this year for selection of the candi- 
dates Statewise; and 

(c) the reasons for the over representa- 
tion of some States *n the Selection ? 

• 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF .HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The 

position in regard to availability of seats in 
the under-graduate MBBS course and the 
various post-graduate courses at the All India 
Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi is 
as follows : 

(i) Under-graduate M.B.B.S. Course : 

The total number of seats available each 
year for the course is 50 out of which 10 
seats are reserved for Scheduled Castes/Sche- 
duled Tribes and 5 seats are reserved for 
foreign students nominated by the Central 
Government. 

(ii) Various Post-graduate Courses : 

The Total number of scats available at 
present in the various post-graduate depart- 
ments at the Institute is 422. The number 
of seats in the various courses is fixed by the 
Academic Committee of the Institute keeping 
in view the available facilities in a particular 
department. 

(b) (i) Under-graduate M.B*B.S. Course : 

The total number of applications received 
this year for the 45 seats (exclusive of five 
seats reserved for foreign students) was 7315. 

The State-wise break-up of the candidates 
selected for admission t6 the course during 
the year i> given below 2 



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1. 

Delhi 

15 

2. 

Bihar 

4 

3. 

Haryana 

1 

4. 

Maharashtra 

2 

5. 

Mysore 

1 

6. 

Punjab 

5 

7. 

Rajasthan 

1 

8. 

Tamil Nadu 

1 

9. 

Uttar Piadesh 

15 


45 


(ii) Various Post-graduate Courses : 

The total number of applications received 
this year for the 191 seats for January to 
July 1972 session available in the various post- 
graduate courses was 2012'. Out of these 138 
candidates were selected for admission to the 
courses. The State-wise break-up of the per- 
sons selected for admission is given below : 


Punjab 

7 

Andhra Pradesh 

12 

Madhya Pradesh 

3 

Kerala 

14 

Maharashtra 

2 

Delhi 

27 

Tamil Nadu 

6 

Assam 

4 

Orissa 

6 

Himachal Pradesh 

4 

Haryana 

6 

Jammu and Kashmir 

4 

Mysore 

6 

U.P. 

12 

Rajasthan 

1 

West Bengal 

20 

Bihar * 

1 

Foreign Nationals 

3 


Total 138 


(c) The admission to the MBBS Course 
at the Institute is strictly on merit determi- 


ned by holding an All India competitive 
examination. No special reservation of seats 
is made State-wise. As regards the post-gra- 
duate courses the selection is made purely on 
basis of merit and no seats are reserved for 
any particular state. 

Seats in various Indian Institutes of 
Technology 

1985. SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHA- 
RYYA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total number of seats available in 
the five Indian Institutes of Technology all 
over India for graduate courses during the 
current year ; 

(b) the number of applications received 
from candidates according to State of origin 
and the number of candidates selected from 
each State ; and 

(c) the reason* for the over representation 
of some States in the selection ! 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION. 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL IIASAN) : (a) and (b). 
A statement is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library See No. LT. 3377/72] 

(c) Admission to the Institutes of Tech- 
nology are made through a Joint Entrance 
Examination. The admission of students from 
different States depends upon their lanks in 
the merit list of the entrance examination 
and choice of their own Institutes and subject 
fields. 

Small and Marginal Farmers and Agri- 
cultural Labour Scheme in Dibrugarh, 
Assam 

1986. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Dibrugarh District in Assun 
has a greater number of small and marginal 
farmers and highest number of landless agri- 
culturists ; 

(b) whether the s( heme for benefit of small 
and marginal fanners and agricultural labour 
is proposed to be extended to Dibrugarh 
district in Assam ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISRTY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The SFDA/ 



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MFAL are pilot experiments which are being 
tried out in 87 selected project areas. In 
Assam these areas arc located in the districts 
of (1) Gopalpara (2) Kamrup (3) Mikir 
Hills and (4) Nowgong Hills, which were 
selected in consultation with the State Gov- 
ernment. There is no proposal to extend the 
scheme to Dibrugarh district during the 
Fourth Five Year Plan. Information regarding 
the number of small and marginal farmers 
and agricultural labourers in Dibrugarh dis- 
trict of Assam is not available. 

Economist Leaving India 

1987. SHRI E. V. VIKHK PATIL : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the atti ntion of Government 
has been drawn to the news appearing in the 
Hindustan Times dated the 2Gth July, 1972 
about the decision of a top economists leaving 
tin countiy out of disgust ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government 
in the matter ? 

HIE MINIS’! ER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF S NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 

I lie news appearing in the Hindustan Times 
dated 2bth July, 1972 refers to the resignation 
ol Pi of. M. C. Dalvi of Bombay University. 
I hr inquired information is bung collected 
fium Bombay University and statement will 
he laid on the Fable of the Sabha in due 


Allotment of Land to Registered Religi- 
ous Institutions, New Delhi 

1988. SHRI BISHWANATH JIIUNJI1U- 
NWALA i Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 4141 on the 
Lt may, 1972 regarding allotment of land to 
Registered Religious Institutions in Delhi and 
Mate : 

(a) the requisite information ; and 

(b) the names of the Religious Institu- 
tions to whom land which was originally 

marked for educational institutions has been 
allotted with the area in each case and its 
location ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 

MINISTRY of health and family 
planning and in the ministry of 
Works and housing (prof. d. p. 


54 

CHATTOPADHYAYA) 8 (a) Allotments have 
been made to 22 religious Institutions in 
Delhi during the last two years and 7 cases 
are pending with the D.D.A. No plot origi- 
nally earmarked for any educational institu- 
tions has been diverted to a religious institu- 
tion. 

(b) In view of reply to part (a) this does 
not arise. 

Amount Sanctioned to various Housing 
Schemes in States 

1989. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount sanctioned to the various 
States for implementation of Housing Schemes 
for (a) Hanjans, (b) Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes, in* 1971-72, State-wise; 

(b) the total amount allotted under the 
above scheme for 1972-73, State-wise ; and 

• 

(c) the names of the States from which 
schemes have already been received and 
expenditure involved to implement those 
schemes ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). State-wise details may 
be seen in the statement laid on the Table 
of the House. [ Placed in Library. See No. L.T.- 
3378/72]. The figures relate to the 
housing schemes under the Backward Classes 
Sector. Schemes are formulated and imple- 
mented by the States/Union Territories 
Administrations. 

Financial Aid for Drinking water in Rural 
and Urban Areas 

1990. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA- 
NNING be pleased to state ; 

(a) the total financial aid given to Assam 
for implementation of Drinking Water in rural 
and urban areas during the last three years, 
year-wise ; and 

(b) the financial sanction ,for the above 
works for 1972-73 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. 
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
Central assistance to the State Government 9 



55 Written Answm AUGUST 16, 1972 Written Answers 56 


for development programmes, including water 
supply scheme, is being given on the pattern 
of block loans and block grants of 70% and 
30%, respectively. The financial sanctions for 
the individual programme like water 
supply are not required to be issued by the 
Central Government as these lie in the State 
Sector and the State Governments are entirely 
responsible for providing funds and execution 
of such schemes. 


1 he allocations for 1969-70 , 1970-71 , 1971-72 and 
1972-73, as recommended by the Planning Commi- 
ssion, are given below : — 


Year 

Rural Water 
Supply 

i 

Urban Water 
Supply (inclu- 
ding Sanitation) 
(Rs. in lakhs) 

1969-70 

60.00 

37 00 

1970-71 

39.00 

%.00 

1971-72 



Gencial : 

21.23 

68.77 

Hill areas : 

19.00 

23.00 

1972-73 

72.00* 

65.00* 


♦Includes Rs. 21.37 lakhs for Mizoram. 


Doctors Refusal to visit M.P.’s Flats 

1991. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Doctors and Lady Doctois 
of Willingdon Hospital n fuse to visit the 
M. P *s flats when urgently required to attend 
to their babies and wives and visit only 
Minister’s House when called ; and 

(b) if so, the action Government propose 
to take against such Doctors and Lady 
Doctors who neglect the M. P. intentionally 
and even ask them to wait outside ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Visiting the 

patients in their homes on call does not fall 
within the prescribed duties of the Medical 
Officers on the Hospital strength of Willing- 
don Hospital. The Central Government 
Health Scheme beneficiaries are, however, 
visited by the specialists of the Central 


Government Health Scheme strength attached 
to the Willingdon Hospital, when requisitioned 
by the concerned Medical Officer of the 
Central Government Health Scheme Dis- 
pensary attending the patient. M. Ps. are 
covered under the Central Government 
Health Scheme. 

(b) Any specific case of intentional eva- 
sion of duty of paying domiciliaiy visits by a 
Medical Officer is fully enquired into and if 
after enquiry the Medical Officer, complained 
against, is found at fault, lie is suitably dealt 
with. 

Allotment of Land to M.Ps. in Delhi 

1992. SHRI SWARAN SINGH 
SOKHI : Will the Mimstei of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to staU : 

(a) whethei Govcinmenl have dtcided to 
allot land to Members of Pailiament in 
Delhi and the applications made by M. Ps. 
arc King with tin Dilhi Development 
Authority since July, 1971 : 

(b) whetln r Government purpose to take 
any action against I) D. A for pending such 
allotments ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons llurefoi ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HE \LTH \ND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P- 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (<) Govern- 
ment have reserved 5% of plots developed by 
the D. D. A under the low and tin middle 
income groups, foi '‘sitting Mcnibf rs of 
Parliament and the Metropolitan Council, 
Councillors of the Municipal Corporation of 
Delhi and non-official members of the Canton- 
ment Board and the New Delhi Municipal 
Committee'*. The plots arc allotted at pre- 
determined rates to only those wlro arc 
covered by the income limit prescribed for 
the low and the middle income groups ard 
do not own a house in Delhi, New Dilhi or 
Cantonment area in their own name or in 
the name of any of their dependent relations 
including unmarried children. 'The appli- 
cations received from the M.Ps. are forwarded 
to the D. D. A. who make the allotment to 
the M.Ps. against their quota according to 
the date of receipt ol the application, as and 
when developed plots become available for 

allotment to these income groups The 
question of taking any action against the 
D. I). A. does not arise. 



57 


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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 


Allotment of Accommodation to Govern- 
ment Officers on their turn 

1993. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM s 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOU- 
SING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Officers entitled for type 
VIII accommodation have to wait for no 
time, while the officers entitled for type II 
accommodation have to wait for more than 
20 years for allotment of accommodation ; 

(b) if so, the time likely to be taken, so 
that the Officers of any rank may get their 
turn at the same time after putting certain 
number of years of service ; and 

(c) the details of various types of 
accommodation available and the number of 
Officers allotted accommodation and the 
nurnbei of Officers waiting for accommodation 
in each category ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH ANI) FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
( :H ATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) For type VIII 
accommodation in the general pool at Delhi/ 
New l)dhi f which is allotted to Secretaries / 


58 

Additional Secretaries to the Government of 
India, the date of priority covered is MO- 
1962. If the total service put in by these 
officers under the Central Government/State 
Government is taken into contideration, most 
of them have put in service of over 20 years 
but have not been allotted accommodation of 
entitled type. In type II the data of priority 
running is 31-12-1953. 

(b) There is an acute shortage of 
accommodation m general pool at Delhi /New 
Delhi and it has been possible to provide 
accommodation to nearly 42% of the emplo- 
yees working in eligible offices. It cannot be 
stated by what time it will be possible to pro- 
vide accommodation to Government Servants 
who have put m a certain number of years of 
service. Government have a continuing pro- 
gramme. of constsuction of accommodation in 
the general pool and the progress depends on 
the availability^ of funds, developed land, 

building materials technical capacity, etc. 

• 

(c) A statement showing the demand for 
various types in the general pool in Delhi/Ncw 
Delhi, number of officers provided with 
accommodation and the number of officers 
waiting for allotment is attached. 


Statement 

Demand Jot various typi s in thi general pool in Delhi/ New Delhi y number of provided oj/uers and number 

of officers waiting for allotment 


Type 

Demand 

i 

Total number of provided 
officers 

Number of officers waiting 
for allotment 

1 

2 

3 

4 

i 

26,335 

12,901 

13,374 

11 

39,799 

10,315 

29,481 

111 

14,631 

7,018 

7,613 

IV 

*1,353 

6,036 

3,317 

V 

5,107 

3,481 

1,626 

VI 

1,376 

1,035 

. ^ 

VII 

421 

325 

96 

VIII 

112 

98 

11 


Total 


97,134 


41,269 


55,865 


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AUGUST 16, 1972 


Written insurers 


60 


Staff Strength of Food Corporation of 
India 

1994. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the staff strength, category-wise, in 
Food Corporation of India as on the 1st 
January, 1972 and the number of employees 
belonging to Scheduled Caste/Tribes ; 

(b) whether reservation quota for Sche- 
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribes has been 
maintained ; 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ; and 

(d) what specific steps Government pro- 
pose to take to make up the shortfall ? 

THE MINISTER OF §TATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) :«(a) Category- 
wise staff strength in the food Corporation of 
India as on the 1st January, 1V72, and the 
number of employees belonging to Scheduled 
Caste/Tribes is as under : 


Category 

Total 

number 

Scheduled 

Caste 

Scheduled 

Tribes 

I 

490 

6 

1 

II 

1371 

53 

— 

III 

18849 

1656 

127 

IV 

11361 

1456 

148 


(b) The staff strength of the Food Corpo- 
ration is mainly comprised of (i) Direct rec- 
ruits (ii) Transferees from the Department 
of Food and (iii) Deputationists from Central 
and State Governments. 

In so far as Direct recruits arc concerned, 
the reservation quoia for Scheduled Caste 
and Scheduled Tribes is being maintained 
by the Goqjoration. 

The Transferees from the Department 
of Food of the Central Government arc 
required to be absorbed by the Corporation 
under section 12 A of the Food Corparations 
Act, 1964 and as such the question of pro- 
viding any reservation quota by the Food 
Corporation of India for the transferees does 
not arise. 

The Deputationists from the Central and 
State Governments are on foreign service 
terms. No question of reservation is involved 
in their case. 


(c) and (d). Do not arise. 

Adulteration of Fertiliser supplied by 
Fertiliser Corporation of India 

1995. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether it has come to the notice of 
Government that out of 2790 bags of ferti- 
liser received by rail at Kolar from the 
Fertiliser Corporation of India Mangalore, 
1 19 bags contained 90 per cent sand and 10 
per cent fertiliser ; 

(b) whether any investigation has been 
made in this connection ; and 

(c) if so, the findings thereof and the 
action taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
Yes, Sir. The Food Corporation of India 
(and not the Feitiliscr Corporation ol India) 
has reported that theic was a complaint 
about the adulteration in 119 bags of the 
fertiliser received from the Corporation at 
Kolar. After a preliminary enquiry, the Food 
Corporation of India consider that the adul- 
teration, if any, could not have taken place 
before despatch of the bags by the Food 
Corporation of India, particularly because 
there was no complaint about the quality 
in respect of several thousands of other bags 
simultaneously despatched from Mangalore 
However, the matter is being fuither investi- 
gated in consultation with the State (Jove ru- 
men t. 

Advice allegedly given to State Govern- 
ments to seize cars having Bangla Dcsh 
Nunber Plates 

1996. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Union Gove rnment have 
advised the State Governments to sci/c all 
cars with Bangladesh number plates ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) how many cars have been seized 
consequently by the State Governments and 
what action, if any, has been taken subse- 
quently ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'HIE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 



61 


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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 


62 


affairs and in the ministry of 

SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRl 
OM MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(h) and (c). Do not arise. 

Working Group for preparation of Draft 
Fifth Five Year Plan 

1997. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Planning Commission 
had constituted a Working Group on Co- 
operation for preparation of the Draft Fifth 
Five Year Plan ; and 

(b) if so, its terms of reference and 
fiin< tioning of its members ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASMIEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The De- 
partment of Co-operation, at the instance of 
the Planning Commission, have constituted a 
Working Group on Cooperation for formula- 
tion of the 5th Plan. 

(b) The terms of reference and func- 
tioning of the Working Group are given in 
the Statement enclosed. [. Placed in Library . See 
No. L P 33 79/72]. 

Setting up of National Unit for Nutrition 
Monitoring in Rajasthan 

vm. SlIRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SI I ARM A : 

SI 1 RIM ATI SAVITRI SHY AM : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING lie pleased to state : 

(a) whcthei some more National Units 
for iNutiition monitoring arc being set up in 
Rajasthan ; and 

(b) if so, the locations thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and 

(b). A Proposal to set up some more 
Regional Monitoring Centres in diff- 
erent States is under consideration of the 
Indian Council of Medical Research. 
T hose Centres, if put into operation, may 
be located one each in the States of Punjab, 
Rajasthan, Orissa, Assam, Haryana and 
Bihar, 


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64 


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Alleged Double Charge of Air Fares by 
Professor of Sociology, 1. 1. T. Delhi 

2001. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI: 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Professor of Sociology at 
the I. I. T., Delhi on having travelled to 
Dibrugarh, Madras and Calcutta Universities 
has double charged his air fare by buying a 
circular round trip ticket while charging 
Delhi-Dibrugarh, Delhi-Madras, Delhi-Cal- 
catta air fare from the Universities ; and 

(b) if so, the action taken on this irregu- 
larity ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
A complaint to this effect was received in 
February, 1972. The Institute obtained all 
the relevant information from the various 
authorities concerned and referred the matter 
to the Board of Governors. The Board has 
appointed a two-man committee to inquire 
into the matter and submit a report. 

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66 


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Import Programme for Fertiliser 

2006. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have finalized 


Fertilizer Import programme for the current 
year ; 

(b) whether Government propose to 
import costly readymade NPK complex fertilizer 
from U. S. A. instead of local mixing of 
cheaper and staight fertilizer elements imported 
from abroad ; and 

(c) whether his Ministry had any discus- 
sion with public sector technologists and 
Department of Economic Affairs on this 
issue ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) NPK complex fertilisers are impor- 
ted to facilitate the market development pro- 
grammes of domestic manufacturers, whose 
factories now under construction will be soon 
producing such fertiliser products. Contracts 
have already been entered into with the 
foreign suppliers for import of complex ferti- 
lisers to be allotted to these manufacturers 
during the year 1972-73. 

The question regarding manufacture of 
NPK complex fertiliser indigenously by impor- 
ting intermediates is being examined in the 
Department with reference to the comparative 
economies involved. 

(c) Yes, Sir. The matter is under further 
consideration of the Ministry of Finance in 
consultation with the concerned Ministries. 

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Request of Central Assistance for Lift 
Irrigation Scheme in U. P. 

2009. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 


TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of lift-irrigation schemes 
for which the Uttar Pradesh Government has 
asked for Central Government’s assistance ; 

(b) the sites of these schemes ; and 

(c) the decision of the Central Govern- 
ment thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No such proposal has 
been received from Uttar Pradesh Govern- 
ment for Central assistance. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Setting Up of Water Boards to Tackle 
Drinking Water Problem in Rural and 

Urban Areas 

» 

2010. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURI : 

SHRI *&. S. SIVASWAMY a 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some States have set up 
Water Boards to tackle the drinking water 
problems in rural and urban areas ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof and 
the progress achieved in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Infor- 
mation is being collected and will be laid 
on the Table of the Sabha when received. 

Appointments to Tribal Development 
Blocks 

2011. SHRI DASARATHA DEB: Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the reason for not appointing any 
single tribal to the posts of Block Development 
Officer and Project Officer in the Tribal Deve- 
lopment Blocks of Tripura, though there is no 

dearth of Tribal Graduates in Tripura ; and 

• 

(b) whether Central Government propose 
to investigate the matter ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCI- 
AL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) The State Government have intimated that 
the posts of Project Executive officer and 



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Block Development Officer are included in 
the cadre of Tripura Civil Service and 
Tripura Junior Civil Services respectively. 
There is no separate cadre Rules for appoint- 
ment of Project Executive Officer and Block 
Development Officer in Tribal Development 
Blocks. The recruitment to these posts are 
made as per provisions of aforesaid cadre 
rules. 

(b) The State Government have been 
requested to furnish full details in the matter. 

Delhi Slum Area Controlled by Munici- 
pal corporation of Delhi, D. D. A. and 
Land Development Authority 

2012. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the percentage of Delhi slum area 
controlled by the Municipal Corporation of 
Delhi, Delhi Development Authority and the 
Land and Development Authority separately ; 

(b) whether due to three authorities 
controlling Delhi slum area, it is very diffi- 
cult to coordinate and work in the interest of 
the residents there ; and 

(c) whether there is any proposal to put 
the Delhi slum area under the charge and 
control of one single authonty; if so, when 
a final decision is likely to be taken in this 
connection ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The Delhi 
slum areas are under the control of the 
Municipal Corporation of Delhi and the Delhi 
Development Authority; the latter administers 
colonies in an area of 1565 acres, where 
squatters arc rehabilitated after being removed 
from the place of squatting. 

(b) and (c) For better administration of 
the slum clearance and improvement scheme, 
a proposal to bring all the slum areas of 
Delhi under one authority is under considera- 
tion. However, it is not possible to indicate 
precisely any time limit by which a final 
decision in the matter could be taken. 

Effect on Road Building Work due to 
Shortfall in Production of Road Rollers 
and Shortage in Steel 

2013. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 


the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether persistent shoitfall in the 
production of road rollers and acute shortage 
of steel required for bridges and culverts are 
hampering Central Sector road building work 
in the States ; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government propose 
to take in futuie in this direction ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) With the emphasis on load develop- 
ment, there has been a spuit in the demand 
for road rollers. During the three calender 
years 1969, 1970 and 1971 the production of 
road rollers had only been 335, 386 and 336 
respectively against an annual licenced capacity 
of 1520 road rolleis. This was not sufficient 
to meet even the back log of demands. Letteis 
of intent have been issued icccntly to two more 
manufacturers and the grant of such a letter 
to a third party is being pioccssed. Licences 
are also being given for raw materials and 
components to the three units in produt lion, 
and it is also proposed to grant licence for the 
import of special components also in order to 
increase production. The question of meeting 
the shortfall is therefore engaging the serious 
attention of Government. 

As regards steel, its availability is at 
present below the demand. Fa cry effort is 
being made to improve production by the 
Steel plants through technological improve- 
ments, belter industrial relations etc. Mean- 
while efforts are also being made to import 
additional quantity of steel required for 
execution of Central road/bridge schemes 
during the period of the Fomth Plan. 

Funds to N. D. M. C. Improvement in 
Slum Areas 

2014. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have sanctioned 
Rs. 3 lakhs to the New Delhi Municipal 
Committee for canying out impiovcments in 
slum areas in the city ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for not giving 
grants to the Delhi Municipal Corpoiation 
where much more slum area exists ? 



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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The proposals received from the 
Municipal Corporation of Delhi recently are 
under scrutiny. 

Reviews by Planning Commission of 
Crash Programme for Rural Employment 

2015. SHRX SAMAR MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Goveirunent’s attention has 
been drawn to the Planning Commission’s 
review of the crash scheme for rural employ- 
ment in 1971-72 ; 

(b) if so, whetlx i Government ha\c 
noted the Commission's conclusion that the 
scheme* lias tailed to reach the mark in 

1971-72 ; and 

(c) the reasons for this fail uie and the 
steps taken by the Government to fulfil its 
pledges regarding providing of employment 
to 1000 needy poisons m every district ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF XGRICULJ URK (PROF. 
S1IER SINGII) : (a) and (b). No review of 
the Crash Scheme for Rural Employment in 
1971-72 has been made by the Planning 
Commission. No such conclusion has been 
rcac hcd. 

(c) The Go\ eminent do not < onsidei the 
working of the Gia&h Scheme for Rural 
Employment in 1971-72 as a failure. 

The Scheme envisaged an expenditure 
of Rs. 50 nores and the generation of 875 
lakh mandays of employment in a full work- 
ing season of 10 months. The expenditure 
reported so far is Rs. 32.37 crorcs and this 
has resulted in the generation of 808.22 lakh 
mandays of employment. It may be added 
that information in regard to employment is 
collected in terms of mandays and not in 
terms oi number of persons employed as the 
period of employment varies from person to 
person and from project to project. It is 
roughly estimated that more than 3.2 lakhs of 
persons have been employed during the year 
for varying periods. This woiks out on an 
average to 957 persons per district for the 348 
districts for which proposals were approved. 
In actual fact, however, the position varies 


from State to State and district to district 
and the performance of some have not come 
up to the mark. It is expected that with the 
completion of administrative arrangements, 
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1972-73. 

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Hook Worm Infection in Human Body 


2017. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of HEALT H AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the team headed by Prof. 
R. Vishwanathan of Vallabhai Patel Chest 
Institute, Delhi and other medical authorities 
have made suney that ever}’ third man had 
hook woim infection and varying degrees of 
anaemia ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 



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PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). A team 
of experts from Raj end ra Memorial Research 
Institute of Medical Sciences, Patna, headed 
by Dr. R. Vishwanathan conducted a random 
representative morbidity survey in Dhanbad 
Jharia Coal Mines Area. It was found that 
39 2% of the miners examined had hook-worm 
infection and 41.97% suffered from anaemia 
with haemoglobin less than 12 grams. No 
detailed report of the team has been received. 

Agreement with Foreign Countries for 
exchange of Experts in Agricultural 
Science 

2018. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to refer to the reply given SQ, 16 on 3 1st 
July, 1972 regarding talks cm Indo-Egyptian 

cooperation in Agriculture and state : 

»• 

(a) whether Egypt is the first country 
with which India has entered* into the agree- 
ment for exhange of information and experts 
in agricultural science and technology for 
mutal benefit of the two countries ; and 

(b) if not, which are the other countries ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
Yes Sir. We have entered into a similar 
agreement with U. S. S. R. in 1971. 

Acquisition of India Office Library in 
London 

2019. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATIGN AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) when India and Pakistan have 
entered into peace pact and normalization of 
relations is taking place, whether any efforts 
are in progress fur the acquisition of India 
office Library at London ; 

(b) the progress made in this direction 
so far ; and 

(c) the difficulties still remaining 
unsolved ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) to (c). Draft Agreement for arbitration 
received from the U. K. Government has 
been under examination. The context in which 
discussions regarding the India Office Library 


have been taking place, has changed. Renewed 
discussions between the parties concerned may 
be necessary. 

Crash Programme for Rural Employ- 
ment in Goa 

2020. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO- 
DKAR : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Goa Government is to 
execute the crash programme for rural employ- 
ment ; and 

(b) if so, whether the Goa Government 
has decided to create special technical cell for 
the purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) No, Sir. 

Steps to obtain Adequate Supplies of 
Fertilisers 

2021. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether there is world shortage of 
fertilisers and, if so, how it is likely to affect 
India ; 

(b) the quantum of fertiliser required to 
meet the country's needs over that available 
from indigenous production ; and 

(c) whether the commitments made by 
foreign suppliers against our firm orders will 
be fully honoured and if not, the steps 
Government propose to take to obtain 
adequate supplies ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 
There is relative scarcity of Fertiliser in the 
world market. This may make it difficult for 
Government of India to import required 
quantities at satisfactory prices. 

(b) During Kharif 1972, it is expected 
that the country will require about 8.70 lakh 
tonnes of N, 2.87 lakh tonnes of P and 1.38 
lakh tonnes of K20 of this 5.64 tonnes of N, 
2.42 lakh tonnes of P205 and 0.75 lakh tonnes 
of K20 will be available from the stock in the 
country and the domestic production. The 
balance of requirements i. e. 3.06 lakh tonnes 

of N, 0.45 lakh tonnes of P and 0.63 lakh 
tonnes K20 have to be met from imports. 



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(c) It is likely that there will be some 
shortfalls in supply by foreign suppliers. 
However, Minerals and Metals Trading 
Corporation and Department of Supply have 
been alerted to keep a close watch on the 
shipment position which is also being reviewed 
frequently in this Department. 

Government have also taken a number of 
steps to ensure that the available quantities 
of fertilisers are put to the most productive 
use. The steps taken include (a) take over of 
30% of the domestic production of Ammonium 
Sulphate to be distributed by the Central 
Fertiliser Pool, (b) promulgation of orders 
under the Essentia] Commodities Act making 
it legally obligatory for the manufacturers to 
supply the committed quantities of fertilisers 
to the States and (c) plans by State Govern- 
ments to use fertilisers for priority crops in 
the interests of maximising production. 

Stoppage of grant of Loans by Neemnch 
Central Cooperative Bank for irrigation 
purposes 

2022. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PANDEY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Reserve Bank of India has 
stopped Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank, 
Mandsaur (Madhya Pradesh) from granting 
loans for irrigation purposes ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank's 
programme for financing the sinking of wells 
was studied by an officer of the Reserve 
Bank. The study revealed that the Bank’s 
medium-term loans policy for this purpose 
was defective in certain important aspects. 
Although there were 56,000 existing irrigation 
wells in the District, the bank had programmed 
to finance another 1,000 new wells in 71-72* 
The land development bank had a separate 
scheme for financing 4,000 new dug wells. 
Certain technical studies by the Director of 
tube-wells were considered necessary to ensure 
that a large increase in the number of wells 
would not adversely affect the availability of 
water in the existing wells due to over- 
exploitation of ground water resources. The 
Reserve Bank, therefore, restrained the 
Neemuch Central Cooperative Bank from 
issuing fresh loans for construction of wells 
for the present till the defects noticed by the 


study were removed. However, the Reserve 
Bank released a further limit of Rs. 10 lakhs 
to enable the bank to issue the remaining 
instalments of the loans in respect of wells 
already financed partially and under construc- 
tion so that they could be completed quickly. 
The whole effort is to ensure that the bank 
follows a rational and scientific policy in 
financing the construction of wells. 

Addiction to drinks among Delhi Uni- 
versity Students 

2023. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether addiction to drinks is increas- 
ing amongst the students of Delhi University ; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps Government have 
taken to prevent this evil ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) The 
Delhi University has intimated that there are 
no reports to show that addiction to drinks is 
increasing among the students of the Uni- 
versity. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Setting up of Rural Road Commissions 

2024. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any decision has been taken 
for setting up of Rural Road Commissions at 
the Centre and in the States ; and 

(b) if so, the outlines of the decision 
taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Muld-Lingual Figures on Number Plates 
of Vehicles* 

2025. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 



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to end the multi-lingual figures on the number 
plates of vehicles in different States ; and 

(b) If so, the manner in which the 
change is to be brought about ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). The Government 
of India have appointed a Working Group in 
July 1972, to examine Lhe question regarding 
the language to be used for the dtsplay of 
registration marks on motor vehicles. Further 
action in the matter will be taken after this 
Group’s repoit has been received and exa- 
mined. 

Admission of Women Patients in Lady 
Hardinge Hospital, fiew Delhi 

2026. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PL\N.\TNC % be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the Board of Directors of the 
Lady Hardinge Hospital, New Delhi have 
instructed for admission of all the women 
patients in the Hospital but they have not 
sanctioned an increase in the number of beds 
in the Hospital, if so, whether more than one 
patient arc provided one bed ; 

(b) whether no attention is paid to patients 
particularly women at the time of delivery 
and even supply of water is not adequate to 
meet the minimum demand during winter 
period ; and 

(c) w'hcther Government have appointed 
a Committee to go into the details and to 
attend to such complaints if so, the findings 
thereof ? 

TIIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) At present 

there are 580 beds in this Hospital and this 
is not sufficient to meet the demands of the 
public. The guiding principle is not to refuse 
admission of any case requiring immediate 
medical care. Instructions have been issued 
not to put more than one patient in one bed. 

. (b) No. 

(c) On certain allegations received, the 
Additional Diiector General of Health Services 


has been asked to conduct an enquiry. His 
report has not yet been received. 

Request from States for Increased Quota 
of Fertilisers 

2027. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the States who have req- 
uested the Central Government to increase 
their quota of fertilisers ; 

(b) the extent to which the Government 
propose to increase their quota of fertilisers ; 
State- wise ; and 

(c) the time by which the increased ferti- 
lisers will be supplied State- wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANN AS AH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) The quar- 
terly allotments of Pool fertiliser for the July- 
Septcmber quarter were issued in July 72 after 
taking into account the requirements of diffe- 
rent States for Kharif 72 the supplies already 
made in April- June 72 period and the require- 
ments of stock building for Rabi 1972-73. 
After the issue of quarterly allotment, requests 
for enhancement have been received from 
certain States on various grounds including 
the need for the Pool making good alleged 
shortages in the promised supplies by domes- 
tic manufacturers. These States are Punjab, 
Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, 
Himachal Pradesh, and Pondicherry. 

(b) and (c). The matter is proposed to 
be reviewed in all its aspects including latest 
trends and needs of consumption and the 
availability of domestic and imported ferti- 
lisers, in the Zonal Conferences scheduled to 
be held in Septunbcr-October 1972 and adjust- 
ments in Pool Allotments and supplies will be 
made in the light of that review. 

Construction of Road connecting New 
Delhi with Old Delhi 

2028. SlIRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : Will the Minister of WORKS 
AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) the starting, termination and new 
alignment to be provided between New Delhi 
and Old Delhi by road through the New 
Delhi Municipal Committee new building 
under construction ; 

(b) the time by which the construction 
of the road is to commence ; 



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(c) whether the road to be constructed 
will have any adverse effect on Con nought 
Place, New Delhi ; and 

(d) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) As per Master 
Plan for Delhi, a new road connection is pro- 
posed between the Old Delhi and New Delhi. 
The alignment goes along the Turkman Gate, 
Ranjit Singh Marg joining School Lane by 
an overbridge on the railway, then link School 
Lane, Tolstoy Marg and extension of Tolstoy 
Marg upto Parliament Street. There is at 
present no proposal for the extension of this 
alignment from Parliament Street through the 
New Delhi Municipal Committee's new 
building. 

(b) The scheme has not yet been finalised. 

(c) *and (d). No, Sir. 

Inclusion of Kudumbi and Vellan Com- 
munity in List of Scheduled Castes 

2029. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whethei Government have received 
any representation for the inclusion of the 
Kudumbi Community and the Vellan commu- 
nity of Kerala in the list ol Scheduled Castes ; 
and 

(b) if so, the decision taken thereon ? 

THE DEPUTN MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. In respect of Kudumbi and 
Velan Communities. 

(b) The whole question of revision of list 
of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is 
under consideration. 

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City of Delhi 

2031. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Delhi Development autho- 
rity had prepared and published a draft zonal 
plan for the walled city of Delhi ; if so, the 
broad outlines thereof ; 

(b) whether Government received a 
number of representations against this pro- 
posal ; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of Government there- 
to ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) *Yes, Sir. Five 
plans have been published for inviting objec- 
tions and suggestions. The area of the walled 
city has been divided into 14 zones. The plans 
have been prepared in accordance with the 
recommendations of the Master Plan. While 
preparing these plans, the area of each zone 
has been divided into three categories, i. e. 



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area under conservation, rehabilitation and 
clearance/redevelopment. 

(b) Yes, Sir. Over 800 objections /sugges- 
tions have been received. 

(c) These objections/suggestions will be 
examined in detail by the Delhi Development 
Authority and the final draft prepared keeping 
in view the public opinion. The final draft 
will then be sent to Government for approval. 

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Salvage of Sub-Standard Rice unearthed 
ih West Bengal 

2033. SHRI N. K. SANGHI ; Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state 
how much of the sub-standard rice unearthed 
from Food Corporation of India Godown in 
West Bengal could be salvaged and how the 
rest has been disposed of ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The stocks of 
non-Bengal raw rice are subjected to pre-ins- 
pection by the State Government's Inspectors 
in the godowns of the Food Corporation of 
India in West Bengal. Such stocks as are 
declared as sub-standard judged by the State 
Government’s specifications which arc slightly 
more stringent than the uniform specifications 
of the Government of India, are subjected 
to cleaning through the cleaning machines. 
As such, the cleaning of non-Bengal raw rice 
before issue has become a regular feature. 
The rice after cleaning is accepted by the 
State Government. The fine dust and small 
brookens collected as a result of cleaning arc 
disposed of as poultry feed in accordance with 
the standing procedure. 

The actual quantity cleaned and issued 
during this year as a result of pre- inspection 
by the State Government is being ascertained. 

Tuberculosis in States 

2034. SHRI DH ARAM RAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : 

SHRI BHARAT SINGH 
CHAUHAN : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of persons in the country 
suffering from tuberculosis State-wise ; and 

(b) the number of new T. B. Hospitals 
Government planned to open in each State 
during the Fourth Five Year Plan and the 
amount of money sanctioned for this purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P, 
GHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Tuberculosis 

is not a notifiable disease and as such, the 
precise data regarding the exact number of 
persons suffering from tuberculosis in the coun- 
try is not available. However, the estimated 
number of the persons suffering from the 
disease is given in the statement laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. 
LT. 3380/72]. 

(b) During the Fourth Five Year Plan it 
has been proposed to establish 2500 TB beds 
for which a sum of Rs. 227.00 lakhs has been 
allocated for various State/Union Territory 
Governments. A statement showing T, B. 
Isolation beds proposed to be established in 



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the States/Union Territoiies during Fourth 
Plan period is laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library. See No. LT. 3380/72]. 

Capitation Fee for Admission to Private 
Medical Colleges 

2035. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 

SHRI K BALADHANDAYU- 

THAM : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of private medical colleges 
now functioning in the country and the 
number of them that arc recognised ; 

(b) whether some Colleges are function- 
ing without pioper staff and equipments ; 

(c) whether all the private Medical Col- 
leges have taken huge amount of money from 
students as capitation fee ; and 

(d) if so, the steps taken by Government 
to discourage the functioning of unrecognised 
colleges and to eliminate the practice of taking 
capitation fee from students 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) There arc four- 
teen pnvate medical colleges functioning in 
the country. Out of this, five medical colleges 
have yet to be recognised. 

(b) Yes It has been reported that some 
of these colleges have not the full complement 
of stair and cquipnv nt. 

(c) No. Out of fourteen piivatc medical 
colleges only nine are charging capitation fees 
fiom students. 

(d) The Government of India have already 
requested the State Governments and Univer- 
sities to discouiage the starting of any more 
medical colleges in the private sector, on the 
basis of charging capitation fees unless the 
State Governments/Universities arc satisfied 
with their financial viability and capacity to 
maintain the standards laid down by the 
Medical Council of India. 

Review of Land Reforms by Planning 
Commission 

2036. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 

SHRI B. V. NAIK: 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 


pleased to state : 

A 

(a) whether the Planning Commission has 
recently published a review of the country’s 
land reform measures since 1947; 

(b) if so, the main features of that review; 

and 

(c) the steps Government intend to take 
on the basis of the review? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Plann- 
ing Commission has not recently published any 
review of the country’s land reform measures. 
The concerned Division of the Planning Com- 
mission has, however, prepared a working 
paper reviewing the progress of land reforms 
in the country. • 

(b) Statement* is laid on the Table of 
the House [ Placed in Library. See No. LT- 
3381/72]. 

(c) The paper was prepared to initiate 
discussions in the Planning Commission and 
does not necessarily project the views of the 
Planning Commission on the subject of land 
reforms. Hence there L no question of the 
Government taking any steps on the basis of 
the paper. 

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Bus Service in Delhi since D.T.U. take over 

2011. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM: Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there has been no substantial 
improvement in ljus services in the capital 
since the Delhi Transport Undertaking was 
taken over by the Centre , 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the steps taken to improve bus trans- 
port in the capital ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMEN V OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) to (c). A number of steps have 
been taken since 3-11-1971 when the manage- 
ment of the City Transport Services was transfer- 
red to a statutory Road Transport Corporation 
to improve the operation of the bus services in 
the capital. These have resulted in increase in 
the number of buses on road, i eduction in the 
working deficits and missing of trips and be- 
tter utilisation of vehicles. This has enabled 
the Corporation to introduce new routes and 
aLo extend a few existing ones. Shuttle ser- 
vices have also been introduced from hospitals 
in the evenings for the convenience of visitors. 
Additional special trips have been provided 
for students. Steps have also been taken to 
provide additional depots, which will help in 
the improved maintenance of the fleet. 

Orders have been placed for 291 addi- 
tional buses. Out of these, 133 have already 
been added to the fleet. The remaining vehi- 
cles are also expected to be received and com- 
missioned into service by October, 1972. It 
has also been decided to acquire 425 more 
buses during 1972-73 and 1973-74, Out of this 
250 arc expected to be received by the end of 
current financial year and the balance in the 
next one. With the augmentation of the fleet, 
the services are expected to further improve. 



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91 


9i 

Setting up of a Commission to suggest 
Prices of Agricultural Produce 

2042. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under the 
consideration of Government to set up a Com- 
mission to suggest prices of agricultural pro- 
duce commensurate with the increased cost of 
productions; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in 
this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEBP. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). There 
is already an Agricultural Prices Commission 
which makes recommendations in regard to 
support/procurement prices for major agricul- 
tural commodities after consic^ration of diffe- 
rent factors, including the interests of the pro- 
ducer and the consumer. Fqr doing so, it 
takes into account the available data on cost 
of production and other relevant information. 
There is no proposal for constituting another 
similar body. 

Population of Shepherds and Steps for 
there Uplift 

2043. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the population of shepherds in India 
at present statewise ; and 

(b) the steps Government have taken to 
improve their social and economic conditions 
of this community ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The figures for popula- 
tion of Shepherds in India for 1971 Census are 
not yet available. The population of the She- 
pherds in India according to 1961 Census is as 
per statement enclosed. 

(b) As a par\ of the Fourth Five Year Plan 
for Sheep Development, the State Governments 
have sanctioned schemes which provide for dis- 
tribution of stud quality rams required for im- 
provement of the local sheep, provide health 
cover, guidance to the sheep rearing commu- 
nity for improving the sheep-husbandry prac- 
tices, scientific shearing of sheep, preparation 
of wool for the market. Large scale sheep shear- 


ing, wool grading and marketing programme 
has been taken up in the States of Rajasthan, 
J & K, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana, 
Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Mysore with the 
assistance of U N.D.P. Under this programme, 
benefits of mechanical shearing are made availa- 
ble to the sheep rearing community. In certain 
States, wool is being purchased from the sheep 
breeders which is sold at the Wool Grading 
Centres, after grading. 

Statement 

Population of Sheep Rearing Community in India 


1961-Census 

ZnnejState 

Persons 

India 

372,988 


States 


1 . 

Andhra Pradesh 

158,424 

2. 

Assam 

6 

3. 

Bihar 

7,590 

4. 

Gujarat 

6,003 

5. 

Jammu & Kashmir 

2,562 

G. 

Kerala 

192 

7. 

Madhya Pradesh 

5,423 

8. 

Madras 

1,718 

9. 

Maharashtra 

57,790 

10. 

Mysore 

56,479 

11. 

Orissa 

770 

12. 

Punjab 

13,521 

13. 

Rajasthan 

39,254 

14. 

Uttar Pradesh 

19,973 

15. 

West Bengal 

642 


Union Territories 


1 . 

Andaman & Nicobar Islands 

— 

2. 

Delhi 

48 

3. 

Himachal Pradesh 

2,475 

4. 

Laccadive, Minicoy Islands 

— 

5. 

Manipur 

— 

6 

Tripura 

49 

7. 

Dadra & Nagar Haveli 

U 

8. 

Goa, Daman & Diu 

— 

9. 

Pondicherry 

57 

10. 

N. E. F. A. 

— 

11. 

Nagaland 

— 

12. 

Sikkim 

1 


Source : Census of India, 1961. Vol. I, 
Part II — B(i) p. 389. 



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New Varieties of Cotton Developed by 
University of Agricultural Science, 
Bangalore 

2044. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHAR1EF * 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether two new varieties of Cotton 
developed by the University of Agricultural 
Science, Bangalore have been released by 
Union Government ; and 

(b) if so, the extent to which it will 
help India in saving foreign exchange ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
AN NAS AH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) The All- 
India Cotton Workshop held at Surat in 
June, 1972 had recommended the release of 
the two new cotton strains hybrid Varalaxmi 
and variety GS-2 3 evolved by the University 
of Agricultural Sciences, Bangalore. These 
varieties have been recommended for culti- 
vation in Mysore State. As per the present 
procedures regarding the release of varieties 
the State Variety Release Committees are 
competent to release the varieties recommen- 
ded bv the Workshop for their States. 

[\>) Of the above two varieties, Vara- 
laxrni hybrid has been found suitable for 
spinning up to 60s. In a test conducted at 
one of the mills in Bangalore it has been 
reported as suitable for replacing Sudan/ 
Egyptian mixings used in that mill. 

The saving in foreign exchange will 
depend on the commercial production and 
large scale utilisation by the textile industry. 
It is too early to estimate the saving in 
foreign exchange at this stage. 

Scheme for Joint Farming of Surplus 
Land 

2045. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state whether Government are adopting a 
policy of joint farming of all surplus land in 
the country instead of distribution it to the 
landless individuals ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : It was sug- 
gested in the Second and Third Five Year 
Plans that in the matter of settlement of land 
acquired inconsequence of the application 
of ceilings, tenants displaced as a result of 
resumption of land for personal cultivation 


farmers with uneconomic holdings and land- 
less workers should receive preference. It 
was also proposed that settlement should be 
made, as far as possible, on cooperative lines. 
The Chief Ministers’ Conference which was 
held on 23rd July, 1972 has recommended 
that in the matter of distribution of surplus 
land priority should be given to the landless 
agricultural workers particularly those belong- 
ing to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. 
They will be encouraged to take up joint 
farming but will not be compelled to do so. 

Steps to preserve Gond (Swamp Deer) 
from extinction 

2046. SHRI HARI SINGH : 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: 

Will the Minuter of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether ftovernment are aware that 
the Gond (Swamp deer) a rare species in the 
world, is on tfie verge of extinction in the 
country ; and 

(b) if so, steps Government propose to 
check the extinction of gond (Swamp deer) in 
the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The infor- 
mation is being collected and will be laid on 
the Tabic of the Sabha in due course. 

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Inclusion of Sports as Part of Education 

2048. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any proposal from the President of the All 
India Council of Sports to include Sports as 
a part of education ; 

(b) if so, the gist of the proposals ; and 

(c) the decision of Government on it ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (STIR I K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). No Sir. 

Development of Shipping Facilities 

2049. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any steps have been taken by 
Government for the development of shipping 
facilities particularly in view of the limitations 
imposed by the Shipping Conference with 
which India is concerned ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b), Development of shipping facilities 
is one of the objectives of the Government 
and the Fourth Plan envisages a target of 
40.00 lakhs grt. of which 35 lakhs grt. are to 
be in operation and 5.00 lakhs grt. on order. 
The steps taken by Government for the 
development of shipping arc given below : 

L Reservation of coastal trade to 
national shipping. 

2. setting up of Shipping Corporation 
in the public sector. 



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3. Development of ship building industry 
in the public sector. 

4. Grant of preference to Indian ships 
in the allotment of Government 
controlled cargoes. 

5. Grant of loans on concessional terms 
to Indian shipping companies for the 
acquisition of additional tonnage. 

6. Making available foreign credit for 
the acquisition of tonnage. 

7. Grant of development rebate of 
40 percent of cost of ship — available 
upto the end of the 4th plan. 

8. Introduction of bilateral shipping 
services with countries like USSR, 
Poland, UAR and GDR. 

9. Enhancement of the limit of foreign 
participation in the shipping industry 
from 25 to 40 percent with effect 
from 1963. 

10. Revision and consolidation of the 
Merchant Shipping Laws. 

1 1 . Establishment of training institutions 
for personnel. 

12. Improvement of the system of re- 
cruitment of seamen and the esta- 
blishment of the Seamen’s Employ- 
ment Offices. 

13. Establishment of advisory bodies like 
the National Shipping Hoard, Mer- 
chant Navy Tiaming Board and the 
National Welfare Board. 

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Text Books In M. P. State Showing J & K 
as an Independent Country 

2052. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 

MALIK : 

SHRI RAM PRAKASH 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some text books in Madhya 
Pradesh State show Jammu and Kashmir 
State as an independent country along with 
Ceylon and Nepal ; and 

(b) if so, the action taken against such 
publishers ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). Necessary informa- 
tion is being collected and will be laid on the 
Table of the Sabha as soon as possible. 

Effect on delivery Schedules of Vlsakha- 
patnam Shipyard due to npn-Adherence 
to delivery Schedules by Indigenous 
Suppliers 

2053. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY: 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether non-adherence to delivery 



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schedules by indigenous suppliers has upset 
the delivery schedules of the Visakhapatnam 
shipyard, blocked huge working capital and 
retarded implementation of the Rs. 8 crore 
development plan for over two years ; and • 

(b) if so, the manner in which Govern- 
ment propose to relieve the situation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) and (b). It is true to 
a certain extent that non-adherence to delivery 
schedules by certain indigenous suppliers is 
one of the several factors contributing to the 
delay and consequential blocking up capital 
and retardation of the implementation of 
development plans of Hindustan Shipyard 
Limited Government, hqwever, have ende- 
avoured to relieve the situation. The 
Shipyard's technical officer* regularly visit the 
suppliers in order to expedite and to reassess 
their capacity. Government also favourably 
consider proposal for importing of equipment 
which cannot be supplied indigenously. 
Recently, Government have set up a Steering 
Committee to examine inter alia the capacity 
of indigenous firms to adhere to delivery terms 
and to watch the progress with reference to 
such capacity. 

New Scheme of Agricultural Credit for 
Small, Medium and big Farmers 

2054. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
refer to the reply given to Unstarred Ques- 
tion No. 196 on the 15th November, 1971, 
regarding New policy to provide credit to 
agriculturists, and state the progress made in 
respect of scheme for agricultural credit to 
meet the needs of small, medium and big 
farmers in the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The Fourth 
Plan policy relating to agricultural credit in 
favour of smaller farmers was given in reply 
to the Lok Sabha Question No. 196 There 
is no scheme for agricultural credit to meet 
the needs of small, medium and big farmers in 
in the country. As mentioned in the earlier 
reply, the Government policy is to orient the 
loaning policy and procedures of the financ- 
ing institutions in favour of smaller farmers. 
Relaxations have been made in the procedures 
followed by the cooperative institutions like 


share capital to be collected and security 
requirements in favour of the small farmers ; 
commercial banks also followed liberalised 
patterns is lending to the small farmers. The 
Agricultural Refinance Corporation has exten- 
ded concession of 100% refinance for schemes 
in the Small Farmers Development Agency / 
Marginal Fanners and Agricultural Labourers 
Agencies' areas upto 30th June, 1973. 

The available data indicate that : 

(i) During 1969-70, in ten States and 
five Union Territories, out of the total of Rs. 
403 crores issued as short and medium term 
loans Rs. Ill crores (27.5%) were advanced 
to land holders upto 2 hectares each ; and Rs. 
23 crores (5.7%) to tenants and agricultural 
labourers. Thus 33.2% of the total advance 
from cooperatives were generally to the weaker 
sections ; 

(ii) Similarly during 1969-70, in ten 
States and two Union Teinlories, out of a 
total of Rs. 88 31 crores, issued as long-term 
loans by cooperative land development banks, 
Rs. 21.93 crores, i. e. about 25 c /o were to 
cultivators having holdings upto two hectares. 

(iii) As on 25-12-1970, out of Rs. 184.26 
crores outstanding, under-direct finance for 
agriculture, from the fourteen nationalised 
commercial banks and State Bank of India 
Group, Rs. 40.55 crores representing 22%, 
were to farmers with holdings upto five acres 
each ; 

(iv) The Credit Guarantee Scheme 
covered small loans (upto Rs. 2,500 for short- 
term production purposes and upto Rs. 10,000 
for term loans) advanced to farmers and 
agriculturists, amounting to Rs. 438.07 lakhs 
by the end of June, 1971, This rose to Rs. 
715.51 lakhs by 30th September, 1971. 

Foreign Agricultural Experts Working 
in the Country 

2055. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of foreign agricultural 
experts who are at present in the country ; 
and 

(b) whether Government propose to 
reduce the number of foreign agricultural 
experts ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) 148. 



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(b) It has been the consistent policy of 
the Government to have only those Foreign 
Experts in the country as are considered 
absolutely indispensable in their respective 
fields. The position is teviewed periodically, 
to implement this policy. 

Sales Centres By F. C. I. 

2056. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there are some sales centres 
of the Food Corporation of India functioning 
in the country and if so the broad outlines 
thereof ; 

(b) whether the said corporation has 
decided to open some more centres ; and 

(c) if so, the function to be performed 
by those centres ; and the progress achieved 
in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANN AS AH EU P. SIIINDE) : (a) to (c). 

The Food Corporation of India had opened 
11 sale* centres between 27.3.1972 and the 
beginning of August, 1972. However, in 
pursuance of the recent decision of the Govern- 
ment to channelise all supplies of foodgrains 
in the Ccntial Pool through the established 
public distribution system, sales of foodgrains 
through the Sales centres have been suspended. 

Standard Pooled Licence Fee for Type 
II Quarters in D. I. Z. Area 

2057. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the standard pooled licences 
fee under F. R. 4 5- A per month for the type 
II quarters in DIZ area is Rs. 42.00 ; 

(b) whether some allottees arc being 
charged more than the said rent ; and 

(c) if so, the facts thereof and the reasons 
for the same and the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to reimburse the excess charges already 
collected ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The rale of pooled standard 


licence fee of newly constructed multistoreyed 
type II quarters in D. I. Z. area had not 
been fixed at the time of allotment of these 
quarters. The recovery of licence fee was 
commenced at 10% of the emoluments of the 
allottees in order to avoid accumulation of 
arrears. In some cases, where 10% of the 
emoluments happen to be more than the 
standard pooled licence fee, the amount 
recovered in excess will be refunded or adjus- 
ted against future recoveries after a review of 
such accounts is completed. 

Priority Reached for Allotment of 
Accommodation to Central Government 
Employees 

2058. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 

SHRI HUKAM CHAND 
KAGHWAI : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pissed to state : 

(a) the date of priority reached for the 
allotment of residential accommodation to the 
Central Government Employees in Types IV, 
III and II quarters on the 1st August, 1972 
in the Capital ; 

(b) whether some applications have been 
asked to cover certain date of priority for 
each Type if so, the facts thereof and the 
expected date to be covered in each type ; 
and 

(c) the steps taken by Government to 
provide the accommodation to those employees 
who have put more than 20 years of service 
and are without any shelter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The dates of 
priority, as covered on the 1st August, 1972, 
is so far as general pool accommodation at 
Delhi/New New/Delhi is concerned, are as 
under : — 

Type II = 1-12-1953 

Type III = 2- 7-1945 

Type IV = 11,5-1944 

(b) For the allotment year beginning 
from the 1st August, 1970 applications were 
invited on a restricted basis and the dates of 
priority upto which applications in these types 
were invited are as under : — 

Type II = 31-12-1955 



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Type 111 31-12-1950 

Type IV = 31-12-1948 

These dates were determined keeping in 
view the vacancies likely to become available 
during that allotment year and the new units 
likely to be completed. 

(c) Duiing the remaining period of the 
Fourth Five Year Plan, it is expected that 
3,772 new units would be added in lower 
types to the general pool in Delhi and it is 
likely that Government servants with over 20 
years of service will be provided accommoda- 
tion on addition of these units. 

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Leprosy in the Country 

2061. SHRI RANABAIIADUR SINGH : 
WU1 the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether Government have undertaken 
any survey to study the pattern and severity 
of incidence of leprosy in the country ; 



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(b) whether Government are aware that 
some villages like Rambida on the North-East 
Border of Madhya Pradesh have more than 
fifty percent villages suffering from advanced 
stages of leprosy ; and 

(c) if so, the steps Government propose 
to help the villages fight the disease ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. Metho- 

dical and systematic survey has been under- 
taken throughout the country from 1955. 

(b) Madhya Pradesh is a low endemic 
State, the prevalence rate of leprosy being 
less than 0.5% in general. The State Health 
authorities have icported that no village in 
Madhya Piadesh has 50% villagers suffering 
from lepiosy. 

(c) The National Leprosy Control Pro- 
gramme, which is being implemented in the 
country, is a Centrally Sponsored Scheme 
during the Fourth Five Year Plan with 100% 
Central assistance to the State and Union 
Territory Governments. The programme 
provides for establishment of Leprosy Control 
Units, Survey Education and Treatment Cen- 
tres and for upgradation of the Leprosy 
Subsidiary Centres to Leprosy Control Units. 
So far 227 Leprosy Control Units and 1423 
Survey Education and Treatment Centres 
have been established in the country under 
this programme. Besides, 37 Leprosy Control 
Centres by voluntary organisations have also 
been established. So far, 89.3 million popula- 
tion has been cov< i :d and 10.28 lakhs leprosy 
cases have been recorded for treatment. 

In Madhya Pradesh alone, 6 Leprosy 
Control Units, 71 Survey Education and 
one Leprosy Control Centre by a voluntary 
organisation are functioning under this pro- 
gramme. 2.73 million population has been 
coveted and 17,887 cases have been recorded 
for treatment. 

Setting up of Soil Testing Laboratories 

2062. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the main features of the pilot scheme 
for the establishment of Soil Testing Labora- 
tories by selected co-operatives, which has 
been formulated by the N. C. D. G. ; 


(b) barring the four Co-operatives in the 
States of Haryana and Maharashtra that have 
been assisted under this scheme, how many 
soil testing laboratories have been set up in 
the country ; and 

(c) the type of assistance given by the 
N. C. D. C. for the purpose of setting up soil 
testing laboratories ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The scheme 
envisages establishment of soil testing labora- 
tories each with a capacity to test 30,000 
samples per year, and involving non-recurring 
expenditure of Rs. 1.7 lakhs and recurring 
expenditure of Rs. 80,000 per annum. 

(b) Under the National Cooperative 
Development Corporation scheme, one co- 
operative in Madhya Pradesh (in addition to 
three in Maha&shtra and one in Haryana) 
has so far been assisted (Apart from these five, 
there are 200 other Soil Testing Laboratories 
in the Country including 31 Mobile Vans). 

(c) Under this scheme, the N. C. D. C. 
provides to the State Governments, outside 
their Plan ceiling, longterm loans @ Rs. 1.70 
lakhs per soil Testing Laboratory towards the 
non-recurring expenditure, which is passed on 
by the State Government to the Society con- 
cerned in the form of share capital 
(Rs 1 lakh) and loan (Rs. 70,000). 

Credit Provided to Marketing Coopera- 
tives for Procurement Stocking and Dis- 
tribution of Fertilisers and other Agricul- 
tural Inputs 

2063. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the State- wise allocation of maigin 
money provided by the Central Government 
to Marketing Cooperatives for undertaking 
procurement, stocking and distribution of 
fertilisers and other agricultural imputs from 
1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72 ; 

(b) The extent of credit limits extended 
to these Cooperative wholesalers in the various 
States by the Reserve Bank of India, State 
Bank of India, State Cooperatives Banks and 
other nationalised banks for undertaking ferti- 
liser business on a large scale ; and 

(c) the number of Cooperative Whole- 
salers m various States, who have availed of 
this assistance ? 



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107 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) i (a) A statement 
(No. 1) is placed on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3383/72]. 

(b) The information is being collected. 

(c) A statement (No. 2) is laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in Library See. 
No. LT. 3383/72]. 

I. I. T., Delhi Notification Regarding Out- 
standing Temporary Advance 

2064. SHRI ATAL BEHARI VAJPAYEE : 

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the authorities of I. I. T., 
Delhi issued a Notification stating that not 
more than Rs. 50,000 should Remain outstand- 
ing temporary advance ; and 

(b) if so, in how many cases it has not 
been adhered to in the last two years and the 
reasons therefor in each case ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) According 
to the information received from the Institute, 
no notification or order was issued fixing 
a ceiling of Rs. 50,000/- for outstanding tem- 
porary advances. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Assistance to Bangla Desh for Develop- 
ing Shipping Industry 

2065. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Bangla Desh Government 
have sought India’s help in developing the 
shipping industry in that country ; and 

(b) if so, the assistance provided to Bangla 
Desh in this respect ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND # SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and 
(b). The Government of India have agreed 
to supply two ships to Bangladesh, the sale 
price of which will be met from the credit of 
Rs. 60 million made available to that Govern- 
ment. One ship has since been handed over 
to that Government. The Shipping Corpora- 
tion of India have also entered into an agree- 


ment with the Bangladesh Shipping Corpora- 
tion providing amongst others that it will 
make available to Bangladesh Shipping 
Corporation : — 

(i) ships on single voyage/time charter 
basis for export trade of Bangladesh 
with countries covered by U. K. 
North Continent Conference ; 

(ii) space for Bangladesh cargo on other 
liner areas like Australia, USA, Japan 
East and West Africa, Gulf area etc.; 

(iii) arrange charter of vessels to Bangla- 
desh Shipping Corporation at most 
favourable available rates. 

(iv) employ 50 engineering and navigation 
officers on its ships pending acquisi- 
tion of ships by Bangladesh Shipping 
Corporation ; 

(v) services of engineers and masters to 
man Bangladesh ships as and when 
required. 

Development of Inland Water Transport 

2066. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any survey has been earned 
out to assess the possibility of developing 
inland water transport in the country, if so, 
the results thereof ; 

(b) whether any plan has been drawn up 
for improving and developing the existing 
water transport facilities in the country , and 

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) A committee under the Chaii- 
manship of Shri B. Bhagavati studied the 
problems relating to the existing inland water 
transport system in the country and recom- 
mended a phased programme for its develop- 
ment. 

(b) The Committee recommended 32 
schemes costing Rs. 12.42 crores and 14 schemes 
costing Rs. 14.89 crores for implementation 
during the Fourth Plan and Fifth Plan periods 
respectively. Out of these, 19 schemes costing 
Rs. 5,97 crores have so far been sanctioned. 

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Buckingham Canal ; construction of locks, 
wharves in the Godavari Delta Canals ; com. 
mercial services on the Ganga, Brahmaputra 
and its tributaries ; improvement of Cumbar- 
jua Canal and provision of ferries in Goa, 
purchase of dredging equipment for water- 
ways in Gujarat ; introduction of mechanised 
service on the Jhelum ; widening and deepen- 
ing of Champakara Canal and Chavara- 
Neendakara waterways ; improvement of 
West Coast Canal in Kerala ; lining of Elleru 
and Machalipatnam Canal ; development of 
inland navigation on the Tungabhadra Canal; 
improvement of navigation in Mahanadi ; 
improvement of Krishtapore Canal ; provision 
of ferries on the Hooghly. 

Non-Utilisation of Minor Ports due to 
Lack of Development of Coastal Shipping 

2067. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the facilities of the minor 
ports in the country laigely remain unutilised 
due to lack of development of the Coastal 
Shipping ; and 

(b) if so, whether Government propose to 
develop Coastal Shipping in a big way ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 

(a) and (b). Due to draft restrictions and 
inadequate berthing facilities, minor ports are 
catering to very small coastal vessels and sail- 
ing vessels only. In so far as the small vessels 
arc concerned, there has been a dwindling of 
cargo due to competition from the railways 
and road transport. Government has, there- 
fore, set up a Committee for the study in 
depth of the inter-related problems of coastal 
shipping and the traffic facilities at the minor 
ports. 

Shortage of Suphala Type Complex Fer- 
tiliser lu Eastern States 

2069. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is an acute shortage of 
Suphala type complex fertiliser in the Eastern 
States ; 

(b) if so, causes thereof ; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
import enough quantity of Suphala type com- 
plex nutrients ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). No 
report has been received in the Ministry of 
acute shortage of Suphala type complex 
fertiliser in the Eastern States. Information 
has been requested from the States in the 
Eastern Zone and will be placed on the Table 
of the Sabha as soon as it is received. 

Reconstruction of Main Body of I. G. 

S. S. R. 

2070. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the main body of the Indian 
Council of Social Science Research has been 
reconstituted ; 

(b) whether the Chairman, Member- 
Secretary and Director of Documentation 
continue to be ffora same region ; and 

(c) the reasons of delay in appointing an 
eminent social scientist as permanent Chief 
Executive of I. G. S. S. R. ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) The 
Indian Council of Social Science Research 
was reconstituted w. e. f. 1st Aprli, 1972. 
However, no change was made in the Chair- 
man and the Member-Secretary whose terms 
of office are yet to expire. 

(b) Yes, Sir. But this is merely a coinci- 
dence. 

(c) There has been no delay in the 
appointment of the second Member-Secretary 
of the I. C S. S. R. Under Rule 14 of the 
I. C. S. S. R., the first Member-Secretary of 
the Council has been appointed by the Govern- 
ment of India and is to bold office “till such 
time as a Member-Secretary has been appoin- 
ted by the Council with the approval of the 
Central Government.*’ He works purely in an 
honorary capacity and has expressed his desire 
to be relieved as soon as possible. The Coun- 
cil has advertised the post and appointed a 
Selection Committee. Its ^ proposals are 
awaited. 

List of Non-Official Allotted Houses by 
Directorate of Estates 

2071. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR i 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state t 



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(a) whether a large number of non- 
officials have been allotted houses and flats 
by the Directorate of Estates ; 

(b) whether a list of such allottees will be 
placed on Table of the House ; and 

(c) whether a list of all such licencees 
whose rent arrears are over Rs. 1,000 on July 
15, 1972 will be placed on the Table of the 
House ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The in- 
formation is being collected and will be laid 
on the Table of the House. 

Closure of Tea Godown <*f Calcutta Port 

207 2. SHRI JYOTIRMQY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the tea godown of the 
Calcutta Port has been closed ; 

(b) whether as a result of this closure, 
the port ls incurring losses, at the rate of 
about Rs. 21 lakhs per year ; 

(c) whether tea industry and tea exports 
have been adversely effected , if so, the cir- 
cumstances under which the godown had to 
be closed , and 

(d) the steps, if any, being taken in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
ia) M/s. Balmer, Lawrie & Go. Ltd., who 
used to function as public warehousemen for 
the tea trade, vacated the three tea warehouses 
of Calcutta Port Commissioners, one in 
October, 1971 and two in January, 1972. 

(b) The Port Commissioners have lost rent 
on these warehouses at the rate of Rs 25.14 
lakhs per annum for the period during which 
they have been vacant. 

(c) According to the Ministry of Foreign 
Trade, the closing of those warehouses caused 
considerable inconvenience to the tea industry 
and the tea exporters but there has not been 
any decline in the exports of tea during the 
period that these warehouses were closed as 


compared to the corresponding periods in the 
earlier two years. 

(d) Till long term alternative arrange- 
ments are made, two of the three warehouses 
have been taken over by the Central Inland 
Water Transport Corporation Ltd., which is 
a Government of India Undertaking, with 
effect from 12th July, 1972. The third ware- 
house has been retained by the Port Commis- 
sioners for being let out for other purposes. 

Pay Scales of Scientists Under Indian 

Council of Agricultural Research 

2073. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the pay scales of scientists under 
Indian Council of Agricultural Research, 
category- wise ; 

(b) the method and principle of recruit- 
ment and promotion of scientists to higher 
posts ; 

(c) whether the Government are consider- 
ing to revise the pay-scales and change the 
rules and regulations relating to recruitment 
and promotion ; and 

(d) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A statement 
is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT-3389/72] 

(b) In accordance with the provisions of 
the Bye-laws of the Council, as approved by 
the Government of India, recruitment to all 
Class II and Class I Scientific posts ls made 
on the basis of selection by open competition 
through advertisement on an all-India 
basis. 

(c) and (d). No Sir. The general ques- 
tion of revising the pay-scales of Agricultural 
Scientists will be considered after the report 
of the Third Pay Commission relating to 
scientific employees of the Scientific Depart- 
ments of the Govornment of India and the 
Government decisions thereon have become 
available. Similarly the general question of 
changing the present rules and regulations 
relating to recruitment and promotions to 
scientific posts, will be considered after the 
receipt of the report of the recently constitu- 
ted I. C. A. R. Enquiry Committee. 



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Age Limit for Sterilization 

2078. SIIRI PAMPAN GOWDA : 

SHRI G. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have fixed any 
age limit for sterilization ; and 

(b) if so, the age so fixed ? 



117 


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118 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
Yea. In case of women the upper age limit 
for sterilization haa been fixed at 45 years. In 
case of men, those above 50 years are not 
generally accepted for the operation. 

Establishment of Cashew Research 
Institution 

2079. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA: Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
the consideration of Government to establish a 
Cashew Research Institution in the country ; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No Sir, 
there is no proposal at present under the 
consideration of the Government of India to 
establish a separate Cashew Research Institu- 
tion in the country. Sometime ago a proposal 
establish a Research Institute in Kerala for 
search on Cashew nut shell liquid was 
< eived in the Ministry of Foreign Trade, 
but they have not found it feasible to agree 
the proposal so far. 

The I. C A. R. has already established 
a Central Plantation Crops Research Ins- 
titute with its hcadquartcis at Kasaragod 
in Kerala State which deals with research 
on cashew as well as other Plantation 
Crops. This Institute is likely to be further 
strengthened during this plan inter alia for 
undertaking intensive research on cashew 
cultivation and processing. 

(b) Does notarise. 

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120 


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Missing of Books from Saprn House 
Library, New Delhi 

2084. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 
HALDER : 

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY ; 

i 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleaded to state : 

(a) whether his attention has been drawn 
to the reported missing of more than 600 
books from the Sapru House Library, New 
Delhi ; 


(b) if so, whether any enquiry has been 
constituted ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord- 
ing to the information furnished by the Indian 
Council of World Affairs, 626 volumes of UN 
Treaty Series were missing from the Library 
of the Council, 

(b) and (c). A repoit has been lodged 
with the Police by the Council and the matter 
is under investigation of the Crime Branch of 
Delhi Police. 

Supply of an exploratory fishing vessel 

under Norwegian Aid Programme 

2085. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state s 

(a) whether Government have received 
an exploratory fishing vessel free of cost under 
the Norwegian Aid Programme ; 

(b) whether the Government have offered 
this vessel to Kerala Government ; and 

(c) if so, the terms and conditions of the 
offer ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIIE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
The last exploratory fishing vessel supplied by 
Norway under the ~ successive Agreements 
relating to the Indo-Norwegian Project was 
received in 1966. No vessel received under 
these Agreements, of which the term of the 
final agreement came to a close in March, 
1972. has been offered to the Government of 
Kerala. The vessels are, however, based at 
Cochin. Indications have however been 
received of continued assistance in various 
spheres including fisheries. It is expected 
that some exploratory fishing vessels will be 
supplied free of cost by the Noiwegian Agency 
for International Development. Under the 
procedure prescribed by the Ministry of 
Finance, external assistance in the form of 
commodities and equipment having sale 
value is required to be adjusted against plan 
ceilings. An enquiry was accordingly made 
from maritime State Governments, including 
Kerala whether they would be able to 
accommodate the cost of the vessels, if 



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allotted to them, under their plan ceilings. 
No conditions were prescribed, as the enquiry 
was intended for the purpose of making an 
assessment of the situation on the basis of 
which a suitable arrangement for the utilisa- 
tion of the vessels could be worked out. The 
State Governments expressed inability to 
accommodate the cost of the vessels against 
their Plan ceilings. In accordance with the 
proposals as now formulated, the operational 
plan of the vessels will be drawn up by the 
Central Deep Sea Fishing Organisation, 
which will also co-ordinate the exploratory 
programme of the vessels. The State Govern- 
ments concerned will operate the vessels, and 
the cost of operation is proposed to be met by 
the Central Government. The proposals are, 
however, tentative. It is not expected that the 
vessels will be available before 1974. The 
number of vessels to be supplied and their 
disposition has also not been determined. The 
final arrangements for the organisation of the 
exploratory programme with the vessels will 
be worked out in the light of developments. 

Supply of Boiled Rice to Kerala 

2U86. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
the consumers of Kerala show a very marked 
prt ference foi boiled rice and there have been 
frequent complaints about the continued 
supply of i aw rice , 

(b) if so, what steps Government have 
taken for the supply of boiled rice to Kerala ; 
and 

(t) if no steps have been taken, the 
reasons thcicfor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Only limited stocks of boiled 
rice are available in the Central pool. Out of 
these a substantial quantity has already been 
allotted to Kerala. Long-term measures to 
encourage production of boiled rice are under 
consideration. 

Sugar Allotment to Kerala 

2087. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the sugar allotment to Kerala State 
per month ; 


122 

(b) whether Government are aware that 
the present allotment quantity is not suflicient 
to meet the requirement of Kerala ; and 

(c) whether Government would consider 
the sugar allotment on the basis of one Kilo- 
gram per head per mensem ; and if so, when, 
if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The quota of fair price 
levy sugar allotted to Kerala State under the 
voluntary distribution scheme/Partial control 
duTing January, 1972, to August, 1972, is 


given below : 




January 

’72 

7602 

tonnes 

February 

*72 

7600 

tonnes 

March 

'72 

7600 

tonnes 

April 

'72 

7612 

tonnes 

A 

May 

’72 

7G12 

tonnes 

June 

’72 

7612 

tonnes 

July 

’72 

7612 

tonnes 

August 

*72 

7160 

tonnes 

(b) and (c). 

Levy sugar is 

being allotted 


to all the State Governments on a rational 
basis after taking into consideration the popu- 
lation factor, the past pattern of consumption 
during 1967-68 and 1968-69, and the availa- 
bility of sugar. The scale and mode of distri- 
bution within the State is, however, left to 
the discretion of the State Government subject 
to a guide-line that no individual be supplied 
more than 1 kilogram per month and a family 
should not get less than a kilogram per month 
in any case. Due to the extremely limited 
availability of sugar it has not been possible 
at present to accede to the demands of the 
State Governments, including Kerala, for 
increasing their monthly quotas. 

Research in Bacterial Fertilizer 

2088. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state whether to avoid 
eutrophication of ‘wet lands' subjected to high 
dosage of chemicals fertilizer, the Govern- 
ment has any plans to piornote research in 
‘bacterial fertilizers’ ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANN AS AH EB P. SHINDE) : In recent years, 
the subject of eutrophication, that is, 



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124 


“unwanted growth of algae” has drawn wide 
attention, due to the consideration that nitro- 
gen is present to the extent 79 per cent in 
the atmosphere and it is a very mobile element 
in air, water and soil The fact remains that 
there arc 40 species of algae and as low as 
0.3 parts per million nitrogen or even half of 
this amount in ordinary rainfall is considered 
enough to support algal growth. In view of 
this, it does not seem to be likely that nitrogen 
from fertilizers may be responsible for eutro- 
phication, specially in developing countries 
like India where according to 1969-70 statis- 
tics, the per hectare consumption of fertilizer 
is hardly l/47th of the developed countries 
like Japan and 1/8 1st of the fertilizer dose 
used in Netherland. There appears, therefore, 
no danger at present to be apportioned to the 
use of chemical fertilizers in out country. 

The research investigations carried out, 
so far at the Central Rice Research Institute, 
Cuttack have not shown any deleterious effect 
in the wet-land soil, due to the use of high 
doses of chemical fertilizers. However, research 
studies have already been undertaken to exploit 
the possibilities of bacterial fertilizers like 
Azotobacter mutants as also the mass culture 
of algae for rice in wet-land soils and intensi- 
fication of the research programme is now 
contemplated. The use of Bacterial fertilizers 
like Rhizobial cultures for inoculating seeds 
of pulses and other legume crops is, however, 
becoming a general practice now. 

Profits expected from Indian Built Luxury 
Liner ‘Harsha Vardhan* 

2089. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH; Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state the 
estimated profits expected this year from the 
India built luxury liner “Harsha Vardhan” 
and the routes on which it will ply ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : The Ship- 
yard has contracted to deliver the luxury 
liner “Harsha Vardhana” to the Shipping 
Corporation of India only in October 1973. 
No profits therefore are expected this year. 
This ship will ply between India and East 
Africa. 

Crash Programme for Appointment of 

Primary Teachers in Rural Areas 

2090. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 


(a) whether a crash programme for 
appointment of primary teachers in the rural 
areas evolved by Government is being conti- 
nued this year ; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme 
and its achievements in 1971-72 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) ; 
(a) A Central Scheme for Providing Employ- 
ment to the Educated Unemployed by Expan- 
sion of Primary Education facilities in States/ 
Union Territories was sanctioned during 1971- 
72 and is being continued during the current 
year. 

(b) The scheme provides for appointment 
of additional primary school teachers, inspectors 
of primary schools, introduction of work expe- 
rience, distribution of free textbooks and 
stationery, supply of midday meals and cons- 
truction of additional class rooms. During 
1971-72 approximately 28,000 teachers, 161 
inspectors and 367 work experience teachers 
were appointed. The target for 1972-73 are 
30,000 teachers, 240 inspectors and 1,000 
work experience teachers. The entire ex- 
penditure is borne by Government of India. 

Pollution of Sea Water by Washing of 
Oil Tankers by Foreign Shipping concerns 
near Bombay Docks 

2091. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether washing of oil tankers by 
foreign shipping concerns in the vie inity ol 
Bombay docks has resulted in dangeious 
pollution of sea-water in that area ; and 

(b) if so, the steps being taken by 
Government to remedy this ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) No, Sir. At present oil tankers use 
facilities for cleaning at the Marine Oil 
Terminal (Butcher Island). Oil tankeis are 
not allowed to enter the docks unless they 
have been completely cleaned and certified as 
‘gas free* by the Inspector of Explosives. One 
noticed case of oil pollution is suspected to be 
due to (i) discharge of oil into the sea by oil 
tankers after leaving Butcher Island and (ii) 
outfall of residual oil from leaks in the 
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(b) More rigid enforcement of already 
existing provisions and joint inspection by 
Port Trusts, Naval authorities and other 
concerned interests are being considered to 
prevent recurrence of even such occasional 
pollution. 

Central Assistance for Agricultural and 
Jute Loss in Orissa 

2092. SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether there has been a great agri- 
cultural and jute crop loss in Orissa and if 
so, the reasons therefor ; 

(b) whether the Centre have given any 
relief and assistance to the Orissa Government 
to meet such a loss ; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
AN NAS AH EB P. SHINDE) ; (a) to (c). 
The relevant information is being collected 
and will be placed on the Table of the Sabha. 

Performance of National Highways Or- 
ganisation, Orissa 

2093. SHRI P. GANGADEB: Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
he pleased to state : 

(a) whether the National Highways 
Organisation in Orissa has not shown good 
peiformancc for some time past ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the 
measures being taken to strengthen Orissa 
Highways Body ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) i (a) Yes Sir, for the last 3 
y^ars. 

(b) Lack of proper organisation in the 
State P. W. D. mainly and to a limited extent 
shortage of steei and road building equip- 
ments has contributed to the situation. The 
State Government have been persuaded to 
strengthen the National Highway Organisation 
which now consists of 15 Divisions and 
** Circles under the charge of one Chief 
Engineer. They are also procuring more road 
building machinery. Efforts are also being 
made to procure more steel. 


Assessment of Levy Sugar on the baste of 
Levy Prices 

2094. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state whether Government have 
decided that assessment of levy sugar will be 
made on the basis of the levy prices fixed by 
the Government ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : Yes, Sir. The excise duty 
on levy sugar is assessed on the basis of the 
levy prices notified under the Sugar (Price 
Determination) Order, 1972, for different 
grades of sugar in different zones. 

Progress in completion of Cochin Ship- 
yard 

2095. SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) the progress made so far in the com- 
pletion of Cochin Shipyard ; 

(b) whether the work is going on as per 
schedule ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) Approximately 170 acres of 
land have been acquired and another 1.5 
acres have been notified for acquisition for 
extending a railway siding to the Shipyard 
site. All the technical designs and drawings 
required to be delivered by Consultants have 
been received from M/s. Mitsubishi Heavy 
Industries Ltd., Tokyo. Design works to be 
done by the Shipyard Organisation have been 
largely completed. Preparatory works such as 
fencing of the shipyard site, reclamation of 
the site, 1st phase construction of shipyard 
roads, temporary water and electricity supply 
systems for construction requirements and 
1st phase of drainage works* have been com- 
pleted. Work is in progress on construction 
of Training School, Mould Loft foundation, 
Hull Shop; Main Electric supply receiving 
station, Laboratoiy, Oil Store, Paint Store 
and 2nd phase road construction. Contracts 
for construction of Outfitting ware house 
(foundation and superstructure) Maintenance 
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General Store foundation have also been 
awarded. Award of major marine works viz., 
Building Dock, Repair Dock and Quays is 
under consideration. Orders have been placed 
for the procurement of cranes and machinery 
including major electrical equipments, some 
of which have already been taken delivery of. 
Tenders for another 75 items of machinery/ 
equipment have been received and are under 
scrutiny. With a view to completing the cons- 
truction of the Shipyard according to sche- 
dule, a fully Government of India owned 
company named ‘Cochin Shipyard Limited’ 
has been set up with effect from 29.3.1972. 

(b) and (c). The work is generally pro- 
gressing as per schedule, except in a few cases 
like the awaid of contracts for Building Dock, 
No. 3 Quay, Hull Shop foundation and 150 
T Gantry Crane where the tenders had to be 
re-invited for lack of suitable response from 
the tenderers. 

Family Planning Publicity through In- 
formation and Broadcasting 

2096. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have evaluated 
the Family Planning Publicity work executed 
through the Information and Broadcasting 
Ministry media ; and 

(b) the steps his Ministry want to take to 
improve motivational publicity among non- 
Hindu communities 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The informa- 
tion is being collected and will be laid on 
the Table of the House. 

(b) Various forms of presentation and 
appeals are being used to inform, educate and 
motivate all sections of society. A special 
campaign cell is also proposed to be set up 
for developing special approaches suited parti- 
cularly to the neetjs of those sections of society 
which suffer from socio-economic backward- 
ness, and hence show comparatively less 
interest in family planning. 

Functioning of Book Promotion Division 

2097. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA: Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 


(a) whether the functions of Book Pro- 
motion Division are still divided among the 
two Departments of Education and Culture ; 
and 

(b) the reasons for not placing Book 
Promotion Division under a senior Director 
with knowledge of book world ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Deputy Educational Adviser 
who is incharge of this Division has sufficient 
knowledge of the Book World. 

Book on India-Land and People brought 
out by N. B. T. 

2098. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of books the National 
Book Trust has so far brought out in the 
series India-Land and People ; and 

(b) the reasons for not publishing books 
on new North-Eastern States and territories 
like Tripura, Mizoram and Arunachal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) 51 titles have so far been 
published in this series. 

(b) “India the Land and People” is a 
continuing series and all areas of the country 
are expected to be covered by about August, 
1973. So far four books about Assam and 
one about Nagaland have been included in 
this scries. 

Central Aid to Persons given Land after 
Imposition of Ceiling 

2099. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state the arrangements being made to pro- 
vide financial and other help for rehabilita- 
ting landless people on lands available after 
imposition of ceiling and the ratio of Central 
and States’ assistance in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The new 
assignees of land will be able to take advan- 
tage of the financial assistance from special 
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these schemes are in operation, as small and 
marginal farmers, apart from the financial 
assistance available from existing institutions 
like cooperatives and commercial banks. The 
special schemes like SFOA and MFAL are in 
the Central sector and are wholly financed 
by the Central Government. 

Production of Hindi Books 

2100. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
has been invited to a news item appearing in 
Hindustan Times dated the 21st July, 1972 
regarding production of Hindi Books ; 

(b) the reasons for the unsatisfactory 
production of books ; and 

(c) the total amount sanctioned for the 
purpose State-wise and the percentage there- 
of utilized for the production of books during 
the last two years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO- 
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. R/VMASWA- 
MY) : (a) Yes Sir 

(b) The Scheme of production of books 
and literature in Hindi at the University 
level launched in 1 908-69 is bring implemen- 
ted mainly by the State Governments. 

Accoiding to the Guidelines circulated 
by the Central Government at the beginning 
of the Scheme, the State Governments were 
to set up autonomous/departmental Boards 
for executing the scheme. This took consi- 
derable time in some States. The progress 
during the first two years of the Fourth Five 
Year Plan was slow on this account. Besides, 
it is in the very nature of book production 
that upto the manuscript stage the progress 
u essentially latent. Expert Subject Panels 
have to be set up, titles have to be selected, 
authors/ translators have to be identified and 
in case of translations, copyrights have to be 
obtained. Results show only when books are 
published. The initial apparent slow progress 
of the Scheme is attributable to this factor also. 

(c) A statement showing the grants re- 
leased to State Governments and the percen- 
tage of expenditure reported to have been 
1T1( l, rrcd by the various Book Production 
Boards during the last two years is laid on 
the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. 
S" No. LT-3386/72 ]. 


Improvement of Bus Service in Delhi 

2101. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 

SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state t 

(a) whether he is aware of great hard- 
ship being caused to the travelling public in 
Delhi for want of efficient transport ; 

(b) if so, the positive measures being 
taken to improve the Delhi Transport Cor- 
poration Service, especially in peak hours ;and 

(c) the measures being taken to introduce 
more Mini buses under direct operation of 
the Delhi Transport Corporation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Sustained efforts 
are being made to streamline the operations 
of the bus services of the Delhi Transport 
Corporation. These have started yielding 
results by way of reduction in the working 
deficits and missing of trips and better utili- 
sation of vehicles. Steps are being taken to 
repair some of the old and defective buses to 
make them roadworthy. Orders have also 
been placed for the procurement of 294 addi- 
tional buses including 30 Mini buses. 133 
have already been received and added to the 
fleet. The remaining buses are also expected 
to be received by October 1972. It has been 
decided to acquire 425 additional buses during 
1972-73 and 1973-74. Out of this, 250 are 
expected to be received by the end of the 
current financial year and the balance in the 
next financial year. With the augmentation 
of the fleet, the services are expected to fur- 
ther improve. 

To meet peak hour traffic, which mostly 
consists of office goers, special trips have been 
provided from various localities to the office 
complexes in the mornings and in the reverse 
directions in the evenings. 

Firms Manufacturing Vanaspad and 
Vegetable Products 

2102. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the names of firms manufacturing 
vanaspati and other vegetable products who 
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eating tin containers for packing of their 
products and who approached the Vanaspati 
Directorate of his Ministry for assistance in 
the allotment of tin plates ; and 

(b) the action taken In the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATJ5 IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) i (a) The following manufac- 
turers of vanaspati have been granted c.o b. 
licences for fabricating tin containers for 
packing vanaspati, or for expansion of their 
existing capacity therefor : 

(1) New units 

(i) M/s, Dipak Vegetable Oil Indus- 
tries Ltd., Manavadar. 

(ii) M/s. Premier Vegetable Products 
Ltd., Jaipur. 

(iii) M/s. Kishan Chand & Co. Oil In- 
dustries Ltd., Ludhiana. 

(iv) M/s. Prabhat Solvent Extraction 
Industries Ltd., Manavadar. 

(v) M/s. Maharashtra Vegetable Pro- 
ducts Ltd., Dhulia. 

(2) Expansion of existing capacity : 

(i) M/s. Bhavnagar Vegetable Products 
Ltd , Bhavnagar. 

(ii) M/s. Hindustan Development Cor- 
poration Ltd., Calcutta. 

(iii) M/s. Western India Vegetable Pro- 
ducts Ltd., Amalner. 

(b) In accordance with the distribution 
procedures presently in force, the licensed 
capacity of these firms has been intimated by 
the Directorate of Sugar and Vanaspati to 
the Tinplate Producers through the Iron and 
Steel Controller, Calcutta, for enabling tin 
plate to be released to them accordingly. 

Inspection of Accounts of Sociological 
Society Conference 

2103. SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the authorities of Indian 
Institute of Technology, Delhi have withheld 
the submission of accounts of the IXth Socio- 
logical Society Conference (held in I. I, T., 
Delhi in 1969) from inspection by the AGCR 
for the two consecutive years ; and 


(b) if so, what action has been taken in 
regard to this irregularity ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
At the request of the Indian Sociological 
Society, the Indian Institute of Technology, 
Delhi, agreed to host the 9th Sociological 
Conference which was held at New Delhi in 
November, 1969. The Institute also decided 
to contribute a sum of Rs. 19,000/- towards 
the expenses of this Conference. 

2. The total expenditure which the 
Indian Institute of Technology incurred on 
this conference was Rs. 29,448.36. Towards 
this, it had only its own contribution of 
Rs. 19,000/- and a grant-in-aid of Rs. 6,000 
sanctioned by the Mahatma Gandhi Centenary 
Committee which had been passed on to it 
through the Indian Sociological Society. As a 
balance of about Rs. 4,448.36 had yet to be 
received from the Indian Sociological Society, 
the accounts could not be finalised and sub- 
mitted to the AGCR. 

3. On 2nd March, 1972, a sum of 
Rs. 3,000/- was received from the Indian 
Sociological Society. Thereupon, the accounts 
were finalised and also audited by the Int rnal 
Audit. These have now been submitted to the 
AGCR party which is working in the 
Institute. 

4. It will thus be seen that the delay in 
submitting these accounts to the AGCR had 
been solely due to the fact that the necessary 
funds were not received from the Indian 
Sociological Society. 

5. It is understood from the Indian Socio- 
logical Society that it has not yet been able 
to get finalised and audited statement of 
accounts from the then Head of the Depart- 
ment of Humanities and Social Sciences who 
was incharge of organising this conference on 
its behalf. Certain other complaints have also 
been received against him. The Board of 
Governors have considered these complaints 
and appointed a two-man Committee to 
examine the matter and submit a report to 
the Board at an early date. 

Re-Routing of D« T. C. Buses through 
I. T. O. Bridge of Jamuna River 

2104. KUMAR I KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Delhi Transport Gorpo- 



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ration Buses have been re-routed through 
I. T. O. Bridge of Jamuna liver. New Delhi ; 

(b) If so, the number of buses which arc 
passing through that bridge daily ; and 

(c) If not, the reasons for not re-routing 
the buses for such a long time ? 

THE MINISTER OF S TATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFRIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) Services on route No. 1 1-F 
operating between Patpar Ganj and Rafi 
Marg and special trips during office hours on 
routes No. 20 and 46 touching various trans- 
Jamuna colonics have been re-routed via 
I. T. O. Bridge with effect from 1-8-1972. 

(b) 56 trips are being operated daily via 
I. T. O. Bridge. 

(c) Does not arise. 

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Report of Committee on use of Urban 
Waste and Night Soil as Organic Manure 

2106. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have set up a 
Committee headed by Shri B. Sivaraman, 
Vice-Chairman of National Agriculture Com- 
mission to determine the extent to which the 
urban waste and night soil can be used as 
organic manure ; and 

(b) if so, the time by which the Com- 
mittee will submit its report ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The Committee is required to submit 
its report within a period of six months, i. e. 
by the 5th November, 1972. 

Cadre of Hospital Administrators 

2107. S1IRI ARVIND NETAM: Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India are 
considering to raise the cadre of Hospital 
Administrators ; and 

(b) if so, how it will effect the smooth 
functioning of the hospitals ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. 

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Request for sanction of two Agricultural 
Universities in Uttar Pradesh 

2108. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Uttar Pradesh Government 
have urged the Centre to accord sanction for 
setting up two more Agricultural Universities 
m the State ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Centre 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The proposal is under the considera- 
tion of the Government of India. 

Educational, Cultural an^ Social Institu- 
tions associated with Names and Heri- 
tage of Great Sons of India 

2109. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will die 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the educational, cultural 
or social institutions which are (i) run direct- 
ly, (ii) managed through autonomous bodies, 
(iii) partly financed , and (iv) given ad hoc 
aids by the Education Ministry that arc asso- 
ciated with the names and heritage of (i) 
Mahatma Gandhi, (ii) Pandit Jawaharlal 
Nehru, (iii) Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, (iv) 
Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, (v) Dr. Rajendra 
Prasad, (vi) Dr. Zakir Hussain and (vii) Lai 
Bahadur Shastu ; 

(b) (i) separate annual expenditures and 
(ii) the aggregate expenditure incurred so 
far on these institutions lun in the names of 
each of the great sons of India ; 

(c) the names of similar institutions and 
the expenditure incuired (i) annually and 
(ii) in aggiegate so far which are run in 
association with the name and heritage of 
Nclaji Subhas Chandra Bose ; and 

(d) the realms for discriminative attitude 
of Government towards Netaji ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) ; 

(a) to (d). The information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House, 
when received. 


Books on and by Netaji Subhaeh 
Chan dra Bose available in Library of 
Institute of Advanced Studies, Simla, 
Jawaharlal Nehru University and Central 
Government Libraries 

2110. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Library of the Institute 
of Advanced Studies, Simla contains most of 
the important books on and by Mahatma 
Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, but no book 
on and by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, if 
so, the reasons therefor ; 

(b) whether Jawaharlal Nehru University 
Library has books on and by Netaji Subhash 
Chandra Bose ; and 

(c) whether Government propose to issue 
directives to all Central Government libraries 
for including books on and by Netaji ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S NURUL HASAN) : (a) No, Sir. 
The Library of the Indian Institute of Advan- 
ced Study, Simla does contain some books, on 
and by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. 

(b) Yes. Sir. 

(c) The National Library, Calcutta gets 
one copy each of every book published in the 
country. The Central Secretariat Library and 
Delhi Public Library also have books on and 
by Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. 

Shortfall in target of food production 
during 1971-72 on Estimate* of food pro- 
duction in 1972-73 

2111. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether shortfall in food production 
during 1971-72 will effect the target of 
national self-sufficiency in food production ; 

(b) if not, the target year for stopping 
food import from outside; and 

(c) the estimated food production for the 
year 1972-73 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 

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objective is not influenced by production in 
any individual year. 

(b) No fresh contracts for the import of 
foodgrains either on concessional or commer- 
cial basis, have been entered into by the 
Government since 1st January, 1972. 

(c) During the current year kharif crops 
have been affected in varying degrees, by the 
drought in several States. A number of 
corrective measures are being taken to com- 
pensate the losses already suffered. These 
includes providing irrigation from all available 
sources, replanting of crops, wherever possible, 
raising intermediate short-term crops and 
mounting a massive programme for intensive 
rabi /summer production. However, as we are 
in the early part of the agricultural year 
1972-73, it is not possible to give an estimate 
of foodgrains production at this stage. 

Scheme for providing Employment to 
Educated Unemployed 

2112. SHRI SAMAR GUIIA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Education Ministry has pre- 
pared schemes of piovidmg employment to 
the educated unemployed, if so, the details 
about such .scheme's ; 

(b) State- wise break up of such scheme-* ; 

(c) how many schemes have been executed 
and the tunc schedules for other schemes; and 

(d) the number of educated unemployed 
under such Schemes and their State-wise 
figures v 

THIi DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. 
RAMASWAMY) : (a) to (d). The Ministiy 
formulated a Scheme for Providing Employ- 
ment to the Educated Unemployed and Ex- 
pansion of Elementary Education duiing the 
year 1971-72. Under this scheme, assistance 
is given to the States/U.Ts for the appointment 
of additional teachers and assistant inspectors 
of schools, introduction of work experience, 
supply of free text books and stationery, pro- 
vision of midday meals and construction of 
additional class-rooms. The assistance given 
to the different States/U.Ts during 1971-72 
under the scheme may be seen in Statement I 
laid on the Table of the House, [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT— 3387/72]. A State- 
wise statement showing the number of teachers. 


school inspectors and work experience teachers 
sanctioned and appointed during 1971-72 is 
given in Statement II laid on the Tabic of 
the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 
3387/72]. For 1972-73, sanctions have been 
issued to all State Governments and Union 
Territories for the appointment of 30,000 
further additional teachers, 240 school inspec- 
tors, distribution of free textbooks and 
stationery and midday meals to about 9 lakh 
children, introduction of work experience in 
1,000 schools and construction of 30,000 
class-rooms. 

Teaching of Hindi and other Languages 

2113. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Hindi Schools run or 
financed wholly or partially for teaching 
Hindi to the non^iindi people ; 

(b) the total expenditure meuned by 
Central Government for the purpose of (i) 
running, (ii) subsidising and (iii) giving various 
other aids to such Hindi Schools during the 
last three years ; 

(c) the number of Schools run or financed 
by the Central Government for teaching Bengali 
to non-Bengali, Tamil to non-Tamil, Gujarati 
to non-Gujarati, Telugu to non-Telugu, Mala- 
yalam to non-Malayalam, Oriya to non-Oriya, 
Assamese to non-Assamese, Marathi to non- 
Marathi and Kannadi to non- Kannadi peoples; 
and 

(d) the expenditure incurred for teaching 
of non-Hindi languages separately during the 
last three years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN T11E 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. 
Rj\MASWAMY) : (a) This Ministry do not 
directly run any Hindi schools for teaching 
Hindi to non-Hindi speaking people. However, 
under this Ministry’s scheme for ‘financial 
assistance to voluntary Organisations for 
propagation and development of Hindi 1 finan- 
cial assistance is given to such organisations 
for running centres for teaching Hindi to non- 
Hindi speaking people. The number of such 
centres during 1971-72 was about 2,000. 

(b) The total financial assistance given by 
the Central Government for the arrangements 
mentioned at (a) above during the last three 
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1969- 70 : Rs. 12,51,717.00 

1970- 71 : Rs. 12,73,281.00 

1971- 72 : Rs. 15,05,067.00 

(c) The Central Government do not run 

any schools directly for teaching of regional 

languages. However, financial assistance during 
the last three years was given to five voluntary 
organisations which ran classes for teaching 
these languages. 

(d) Since these institutions generally 
conduct classes for more than one language 
from the same grant, separate figures for each 
language are not available. The expenditure 
incurred on the arrangements mentioned at 
(c) above during the last three years was : 

1969- 70 : Rs. 8,753.00 

1970- 71 : Rs. 29,500.00 

1971- 72 : Rs. 2,477.00 

The languages for the teaching of which 

grants were released were : Assamese, Oriya, 
Tamil, Telugu, Urdu, Kannada, Malayalam 
Marathi and Bengali. 

Conference of State Health Secretaries 

2114. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a conference of State Health 
Sccietaries, administrative Medical Officers 
and Family Planning Officers held in New 
Delhi in June, 1972 discussed the operation of 
the Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act 
and the problems encountered by the States 
in its implementation ; 

(b) the special facilities which Govern- 
ment are providing to the States in this 
respect ; 

(c) whether all the States and Union 
Territories have since set up Boards as required 
under the Act for approving Institutions where 
abortions could be performed and the Medical 
Practitioners for this work whether any fixed 
fee has been prescribed for the purpose ; and 

(d) the step* taken in giving wide publi- 
city to the Institutions and Medical Practi- 
tioners so approved by the Boards for the 
purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 


OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The Operation of Medical Termination 
of Pregnancy Act is a health measure. Like other 
health services, State Governments have to pro- 
vide special facilities for the operation of Medi- 
cal Termination of Pregnancy Act also from 
their budget. However, some central assistance 
for expansion of existing facilities etc. is under 
consideration. 

(c) No. So far 14 States and 4 Union 
Territories have constituted such boards. No 
fee has been prescribed for the purpose. 

(d) It is not considered necessary to give 
publicity. 

Taking over of Public Schools in Delhi 

2115. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the question of taking over of 
Public Schools in Delhi was under active 
consideration of Government for some time ; 
if so, the decision taken so far in this respect ; 

(b) whether Government have leceived a 
number of complaints against the Public 
Schools in Delhi, if so, the nature of com- 
plaints and the action taken thereon ; and 

(c) if the reply to part (a) above be in 
the negative the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Some allegations against a Public 
School in New Delhi were received. These 
relate to alleged unauthorised collections made 
in 1965 for the National Defence Fund, 
Jawans* Fund and irregular termination of 
services of certain staff members by the 
authorities of the School. Inspector General 
of Police, Delhi, was asked to make inquiry 
and submit report in the matter, which is 
awaited. 

(c) Government have no legal authority 
to do so. 

Sale of Spurious Drugs 

2116. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

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and Druggists who have been prosecuted in 
the country during the last 3 years on the 
charge of selling spurious drugs ; and 

(b) whether Government are considering 
to enact some legislation in this respect or to 
amend the existing law with a view to provide 
pure medicines to the patients and to award 
severe punishment to the persons concerned ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The 
information is being collected and will be 
laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

(b) The Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1940 
already provides for deterrent punishment 
for offences relating to the manufacture 
and sale of mis-branded and adulterated 
drugs. 

Experiment in Dry Farming by I.C.A.R. 

2117. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether any experiment has been 
conducted by the Indian Council of Agricul- 
tural Research to improve dry farming in 
the country ; and 

(b) if so, the results thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

An All Indi i Coordinated Research Pro- 
ject on Dryland Agriculture has been sanc- 
tioned since October, 1970. The project is 
in operation at 24 selected centres, represent- 
ing different agro-climatic conditions in the 
country and its research programme aims to 
develop technology to improve production 
under dryland conditions. Research is also 
being conducted at different Research Institu- 
tes and other coordinated research projects of 
the Council, specially under the All India 
Coordinated Agronomic experiment scheme 
to improve agricultural production under 
dryland conditions. 

(b) Within the short period of intensive 
research efforts on dryland agriculture, a 
number of promising results have since been 
obtained and some of the more important 
ones are mentioned below : 


(i) Sunflower is proving to be a pro- 
mising crop for most of the dry 
areas in Andhra Pradesh, Mysore 
Gujarat, Maharashtra and even 
for some parts of Northern India. 

(ii) Under dryland conditions. Hybrid 
bajra HB-3, yields 32 per cent 
more than HB-1 and is better than 
local selections. 

(iii) As upland drilled rice, Jaya, CR. 
44-1, Krishna, Kaveri and Bala 
varieties perform well. 

(iv) Cowpea, C. 152 performs outstand- 
ingly well under rainfed conditions. 

(v) Research results on rabi ‘Jowar* 
are convincingly in favour of Sep- 
tember rather than the October 
sowings in black cotton soils of 
Bijaput and Bcllary tract. 

(vi) Dryland soils are not only thirsty, 
they are also hungry ; and appli- 
cation of fertilizer enables the 
crops to stand drought better and 
invariably yield higher. 

Monument ‘Birbal Ka Chhatta’ in Har- 
yana 

2118. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the existence of a medieval monument called 
Birbal Ka Chhatta in Narnaul in Haryana 
state ; 

(b) whether this monument is in a neg- 
lected condition ; and 

(c) if so, whether Central Government 
propose to take . steps to protect this monu- 
ment ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. Though popularly know as Birbal Ka 
Chhatta, the structure was, constructed by 
Rae Mukund Das, the governor of Narnaul 
under Shah Jahan. 

(b) and (c). The monument is under the 
protection of the Government of Haryana and 
as such the Central Government is requesting 
that Government to take suitable steps for the 
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Effect of shortage of Chemical Fertiliser 
on Green Revolution in Rice Growing 
Areas 

2119. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the extent to which the current short- 
age of chemical fertilisers will a fleet Govern- 
ment’s plan to extend the 'Green Revolution* 
to the rice producing areas in the country ; 
and 

(b) the steps Government have taken to 
overcome the difficulties created by shortage 
of fertilisers in the rice growing areas ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
It is not possible to state precisely as to what 
extent the rice production with the High 
Yielding Varieties of seeds vfoll suffer due to 
likelihood of shortage of fertilisers. The fol- 
lowing measures have been taken to ensure 
that the high yielding varieties programmes 
receive priority in the matter of fertiliser 
supply : 

(i) The States have been asked to 
prepare plans for using fertiliser 
on priority crops only and make 
distribution arrangements accor- 
dingly. 

(ii) States have been advised to take 
various measures such as better 
tillage, better water management 
and plant protection, better weed- 
ing and more balanced fertilisa- 
tion along the guidelines suggested 
by the Indian Council of Agricul- 
tural Research. 

(iii) Orders have been promulgated 
under the Essential Commodities 
Act, making it legally obligatory 
for the manufacturers to supply to 
the States the quantities of fertili- 
sers committed by them during the 
Zonal Conferences. This will en- 
sure that all the States get the 
supplies on an equitable basis. 

(iv) Government have taken over 30% 
of the Ammonium Sulphate pro- 
duced within the country to be 
distributed through State agencies 
like cooperatives, Agro- Industries 
Corporations etc. for priority crops 
and areas. 


(v) The States have been advised to 
prepare careful inventories of the 
stocks available in the godowns of 
cooperative and private dealers to 
enable optimum utilisation of the 
available fertilisers. 

Delivery of Ships by Rumania 

2120. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKOD- 
KAR : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Rumania has refused to 
deliver ten ships to India at the contracted 
price ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). The Rumanian Shipbuilders had 
expressed their inability to deliver ten ships 
at the contracted price for the following 
reasons stated by them : 

(i) after the signing of the contract, 
the prices of equipments and mate- 
rials have gone up substantially 
and there were big differences 
between their first estimates and 
actual prices to be paid now ; 

(ii) labour costs were showing a conti- 
nuous increasing tendency. 

(iii) during the finalisation of the tech- 
nical documentation some modifica- 
tions were proposed to the original 
specifications which have made the 
vessels more expensive. 

An amicable settlement has, however now 
been reached. 

Pilferage in Calcutta Port Area 

2121. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether pilferage in the Calcutta 
Port area had been checked and several people 
rounded up and some smuggling operations 
detected ; and 

(b) if so, broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) i 



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(a) and (b). As a result of intensification 
of preventive measures in the Port area with 
the induction of Central Industrial Security 
Force and Creation of Customs Dock In- 
telligence Unit, the position of pilferage at 
Calcutta Port has started improving and a 
number of attempts at smuggling have been 
thwarted. A number of people have been 
arrested. The total number of persons arres- 
ted during the period August, 1971 to June, 
1972 in cases of pilferage was 348. In addi- 
tion, 24 persons were arrested for smuggling 
since the Central Industrial Security Force 
took control of the Docks and Jetties in 
August 1971. 

Construction Work of Gopalpur Minor 
Port 

2123. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to start 
the construction work of the Rs. 2.75 crores 
minor port at Gopalpur immediately taking 
into consideration the suggestion to change 
the site of the minor port ; and 

(b) if so, when the construction work of 
the minor port is envisaged to end ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). Development of the minor port 
at Gopalpur was studied by an expert com- 
mittee, which recommended its location in 
the existing lagoon. The results of hydraulic 
studies for this have not so far been received 
from the Central Water and Power Research 
Station. Other data as envisaged in the 
Expert Committee’s Report are also awaited 
from the Orissa Government. In the mean- 
time, the State Government have suggested 
an alternative site. Detailed information 
with respect to the fresh proposals as well as 
the result of any hydraulic studies and other 
investigations carried out in respect of the 
alternative site have been called for from the 
State Government and are awaited. As the 
scheme has not yet been finalised, it is pre- 
mature to indicate the date of its completion. 

Amount spent on Development Works 
of Ghsndbali Port In Balasore, Orissa 

2124. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister or SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state i 


(a) whether the amount of Rs. 2,30,000 
which was allotted under the Second Plan 
for development works of Ghandbali Port in 
the District of Balasore, Orissa had actually 
been spent on it ; and 

(b) if so, the names of the items on 
which the sanctioned amount was being 
spent ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). The information is being collec- 
ted from the Government of Orissa, who are 
in executive charge of the minor port at 
Chandbali. It will be laid on the Table of the 
Sabha in due course. 

Developing countries receiving foreign 

assistance through U. N. Agencies 

2125. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : 

SHRI pfLOO MODY : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether at the Tenth Conference of 
the National Commission for Cooperation 
with UNESCO, he had stated that the foreign 
assistance received by the developing countries 
through the agencies of the United Nations 
such as UNESCO frequently led to exploi- 
tation of the country receiving such aid as 
reporlcd in the Hindustan Times dated the 
1st July, 1972 ; and 

(b) the implications of his statement ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) What the Minister stated was 
as follows : 

“Multilateral aid through the Specialised 
Agencies of the United Nations should be 
normally without strings, but it is also fre- 
quently contributory to exploitation of the 
country receiving aid”. 

(b) The implications have been made 
clear in other parts of the Minister’s speech 
where while noting that UNESCO’s achieve- 
ments, though limited, are still memorable, 
he had stated that "the transfer of expertise 
and technology to the developing countries 
effected through UNESCO is often, though not 
always, of a kind that docs not benefit the 
developing countries. The creation of institu- 
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most entirely from foreign sources frequently 
has little relevance to indigenous problems 
and helps to create a subservient role for the 
indigenous scientific and technological efforts." 
The Minister's view was that UNESCO's 
programmes should be reoriented in order to 
help developing countries to utilize their 
capacity for national development and mutual 
co-operation to the fullest extent. Further, 
the Minister stated that UNESCO should 
focus its attention on programmes which have 
a “multiplier" effect, which relate education 
and science to productivity, which contribute 
to the improvement of quality, and which 
will assist the developing countries to develop 
their own expertise as soon as possible. 

Revision of Pay Scales of Sales Attendants 
of All Day Milk Stall of D. M. S. 

2126. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 

the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : * 

(a) whether Government propose to revise 
the pay scale of the post of Sales Attendants 
at the All Day Milk Stalls of Delhi Milk 
Scheme in the light of its responsibility for 
handling cash ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The correct 
designation of the post is Sales Assistant and 
not Sales Attendant. There is no proposal to 
revise the pay scale of Sales Assistant. The 
Sales Assistants assist the Managers of the 
Stall and attend to counter service. Their 
duties do not include handling of cash. The 
responsibilities attached to the post are not 
such as to warrant any revision of pay scale. 

Working Hours of All-Day Milk Stalls of 
D. M. S. in various offices 

2127. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the working hours in all-day 
milk stalls of Delhi Milk Scheme are still half- 
an-hour more than for those Government 
Offices in which buildings these stalls are 
located ; 

(b) if so, whether any Over-Time Allo- 
wance is paid to them for performing their 
duties for extra half-an-hour daily, if not, the 
reasons^for the same; and 


(c) whether Government are considering 
to bring the working hours at par with those 
of the Government Offices located in the same 
buildings and, if not, why not ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes. 

(b) No. The 7^ hours work a day does 
not entitle these employees to the payment of 
overtime 

(c) Although a Department of Central 
Govt., Delhi Milk Scheme is primarily a 
commercial organisation engaged in processing 
and sale of milk and milk products. The All 
Day Milk Stalls mainly cater to the needs of 
the office-going employees working in the 
Ministries in which the Stalls are located. 
The stalls are opened 15 minutes earlier and 
closed 15 minutes later than the working 
hours of the Ministries for the convenience 
of the office going employees. However the 
question of further reduction of the working 
hours of the employees of All Day Milk 
Stalls is under consideration. 

Cases of Gastro-Enteritls and Cholera 

2128. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of cases of gastro-entcritis 
and cholera leporled in this summer ; 

(b) whether this time the incidents of 
gastro-enteritis and cholera have been much 
more than the year 1971 ; 

(c) if so, the main reasons therefor ; and 

(d) the steps taken in this regard in the 
interest of public life ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAY A) : (a) 72,533 cases 

of cholera and gastro-enteritis have been 
reported from various States/Union Territories 
upto the end of July, 1972. 

(b) and (c). Increased incidence has been 
reported from the States of Andhra Pradesh, 
Gujarat, Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, 
Maharashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Tamil Nadu, 
Uttar Pradesh and the Union Territory of 
Delhi. This is mainly due to the scarcity of 
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(d) Necessary preventive measures inclu- 
ding chlorination of drinking water sources, 
isolation and treatment of cases, mass anti- 
cholera immunization campaign, health edu- 
cation of the people etc., are being carried 
out. 

Transfer of Sanitation Work of Govern- 
ment Colonies to G. P. W. D. 

2129. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the sanitation work of the 
Government colonies of New Delhi is being 
transferred to C. P. W. D. ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CII ATTOP ADHY AY A) : (a) Government is 
not aware of any such proposal. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Carrying of Night-soil and Garbage on 
Heads 

2 1 30. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government arc considering 
to put an end to the profession oF scavengers 
Carrying on head night soil and garbage ; and 

(h) if so, the time by which it will be 
implemented ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) It is not possible to fix any time limit 
m this regard. 

Sugar Famine in 1973 

2131. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 

VERMA : 

SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to refer to the statement made by 
bhri S. K. Sommayya, former President of 
the Indian Sugar Mills Association where he 
has stated that India will be facing an 
unprecedented sugar famine next year and 


state what positive steps Government propose 
to take in this direction ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH): Referring to a number of in- 
accuracies in the earlier report published in the 
"Financial Express” of the 19th July, 1972 of 
his statement made two days earlier, Shri 
Somayya has clarified in a letter to the Editor 
of that paper that — 

(1) as there is at present a marginal increase 
in the cane acreage of about 7-J percent, 
the next year’s crop is expected to be 
slightly higher ; 

(2) competent observers do not put sugar 
production in the next year beyond 35 
lakh tonnes ; 

(3) acute sugar scarcity would arise in case 
the Government did not increase the 
sugarcane price to make it more remune- 
rative to the grower ; and 

(4) it was totally incorrect to say that he 
felt that the Government action was 
reckless and that he had only stated 
that the Government policies were more 
as a reaction to the current situation 
rather than as a result of long term 
strategy. 

The sugar and sugarcane policy for 1972- 
73 with a view to maximising sugar production 
is already in an advanced stage of consi- 
deration. Government are also making attempts 
to accelerate the commissioning of new 
factories scheduled to go into production and 
the progress of old factories having expansion 
programme during 1972-73. 

Criticism by Cooperation Minister of 
Maharashtra Re. New Sugar Policy 

2132. SHRI RAMKANWAR : 

DR. H. P. SHARMA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of the Govern- 
ment of India has been invitedL to a statement 
made by the Maharashtra Minister for Coope- 
ration, Shri Y. J. Mohite (published in the 
Indian Express of the 1st July, 1972) branding 
as "unscientific and wrong” the new sugar 
policy of the Government of India ; 

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been carefully examined by the Government 
of India ; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of the Government 
of India thereto ?_ 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The new sugar policy of 
statutory partial control, which came into 
effect from the 1st July, 1972, is basically a 
continuation of the informally agreed arrange- 
ment, which operated for six months from 
the 1st January, 1972. As a sector of the 
industry expressed its inability to continue 
the informal arrangement beyond the 30th 
June, 1972, it became necessary for the 
Government to promulgate the Levy Sugar 
Supply (Control) Older, 1972, Sugar (Price 
Determination) Order, 1972 and other ancil- 
lary orders under the provisions of the Essen- 
tial Commodities Act. the sugar prices 
had to be determined under the Act inter alia 
on the basis of the minimum notified canc 
prices, the notified ex-factory prices of sugar 
in most of the zones worked out to be less 
than Rs. 150 per quintal, which was the price 
which prevailed uniformly under the informal 
arrangement. The Government of India feel 
that in the circumstances that emerged as a 
result of a sector of the industry withdrawing 
from the informal arrangement, the action 
taken by them was inevitable and correct. 

Implications of Fixing of Low Levy 
Prices of Sugar 

2133. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether attention of the Government 
of India has been invited to a report in the 
“Economic Times” of 23rd June, 1972, stating 
that distribution of sugar from fair price shops 
is likely to go out of gear following the lower 
levy prices fixed by the Union Government ; 
and 

(b) the reaction of the Government of 
India in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY" OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) A few sugar factories have actually 
filed writ petitions in Courts and obtained 
interim orders restraining the Government 
from enforcing the Sugar (Price Deter mina- 


tion) Order, 1972 , subject to the factories 
providing bank guarantees for the difference 
between the prices fixed by the Government 
and the actual sale prices. This development 
has disturbed the smooth working of the levy 
system of distribution of sugar both in regard 
to its price and quantity in some areas. On 
the whole, about 90.3% of the levy sugar 
has been despatched by the factories during 
July, 1972 and the period of validity of levy 
releases for July, 1972 in the case of factories 
covered by the interim orders of the Allahabad 
High Court has been extended by three 
weeks. 

Steps for Consolidation of Agricultural 
Holdings 

2134. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) steps Government at the Centres and 
the States are adopting for the consolidation 
fragments of agricultural land ; 

(b) the size of a fragment, below which 
further sub-division in the various States is 
forbidden by law or usage ; and 

(c) whether it is contemplated to change 
the laws of inheritencc of agricultural land by 
Constitutional Amendments or otherwise to 
avoid further sub-division and fragmentation 
of agiicultural holdings ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 
Fourth Five Year Plan has given considerable 
emphasis on the programme of Consolidation 
of Holdings. During the Fourth Plan a pro- 
vision of Rs. 28.76 crores has been made by 
the Stales to consolidate an area of 9.4 lakh 
hectares. Work of consolidation of holdings 
has been completed in Punjab and Haryana 
and much progress has been made in Uttar 
Pradesh, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. 
Progress achieved so far in different States 
is given in the Statement enclosed. 

(b) Legislative provisions have been 
made for prevention of sub-divisions and 
fragmentations of holdings below the prescri- 
bed minimum areas in the following 
States : 

Andhra Pradesh (Telengana Area) 

Assam 

Bihar 

Gujarat 



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Haryana Rajasthan 


Madhya Pradesh 


Uttar Pradesh 

Maharashtra 


West Bengal, Manipur, and Tripura. 

Mysore 


(c) No such proposal to amend the Cons- 

Punjab 


titution is under consideration now. 


Statement 



(Thousand Hectares) 

State 

Area consolidated 

Information relates to the period ending 

Andhra Pradesh 

36 

1971 

Bihar 

70 

1971 

Gujarat 

1028 

Sept., 1971 

Haryana 

4129 

March, 1972 

Jammu and Kashmir 

33 

March, 1972 

Madhya Pradesh 

3179 

March, 1972 

Maharashtra 

7584 

March, 1972 

Mysore 

803 

• March, 1972 

Punjab 

4737 

March, 1972 

Rajasthan 

1744 

1971 

Uttar Pradesh 

10663 

March, 1972 

Delhi 

8 

1972 

Himachal Pradesh 

360 

1972 

Cost Benefit Ratio of Family Planning 

measures of cost effectiveness have been dis- 


2135. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN- 
NING be pleased to state : 


cussed in fairly great detail in an article on 
“The population Growth and Economic 
Welfare" by Warren G. Robinson in the 
Reports on Population/Fainily Planning No. 


(a) the cost benefit ratio of family plan- 6* February, 71. 


ning measures like I U.C.D. contractivcs and 
Vasectomy ; and 


Minimum Land Holding fit for Power 
Tiller 


(b) how this cost benefit ratio is 
computed ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Some 
attempts have been made by various research 
workers to estimate the cost benefit ratio for 
individual methods of family planning. These 
arc shown in the statement laid on the Table 
the House [Placed in Library . See No. LT 3388/ 
72]. 

(b) For working out the cost benefit 
ratio the economic value of a birth averted 
due to the family planning method is related 
to the estimated cost per birth averted during 
^ particular year. The methodologies for 
working out the cost benefit ratio and various 


2136. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the minimum size* of an agricultuiists 
land holding computed on the basis of stand- 
ard acres that is considered adequate to 
sustain economically its cultivation by a power 
tiller ; 

(b) the minimum size of a fragment of 
land on which power tiller can be operated ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No scien- 
tific study has been carried out to determine 
the minimum *ize of holding adequate to 
economically sustain its cultivation by a power 
tiller. 

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which a power tiller can be operated depends 
on the size of the power tiller. A 4-5 H. P. 
power tiller could easily be operated in fields 
measuring about 8x6 meters for regular 
agriculture. 

Investment of Small Farmers Develop- 
ment Agencies 

2137. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total investment by the Centre on 
the small Farmers Development Agencies in 
the country and the State-wise break-up 
thereof ; 

(b) whether these Agencies are managed 
by the Small Farmers themselves and if so, 
their precise constitution, functions and the 
modus operandi ; and 

(c) whether the precise dffinition of the 
term farmer has been evolved in each State, 
and if so, the main features thereof and the 
detailed position about disposal of applications 
for aid and assistance from Small Farmers in 
each State ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) A statement (State- 

ment I) giving the amount released upto 
9th August, 1972 to the Small Farmers Deve- 
lopment Agencies, Statewise, is laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. 
LT-3389/72]. Broadly, each Small Farmers 
Development Agencies will get a grant ofRs, 
150 Lakhs over the project period. 

(b) No Sir. The Agencies are registered 
under Societies Registration Act and have 
generally the District Collector/ Deputy Com- 
missioner as Chairman, Representation has 
been provided for Small Farmers on the 
Agencies. The draft constitution etc. of the 
Agency (Statement II) is laid on the Table 
of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT- 
3389/72]. 

(c) Small Farmers are to be identified 
from among those cultivators having holdings 
between one and three hectares, generally. 
Details of disposal of applications for aid 
from Small Farmers in all the Agencies are 
not available. 

Ezccm expenditure incurred by States for 
Crash Programme for Rural Employment 

2138. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 

the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 


to state : 

(a) the names of States which have 
exceeded the expenditure allotted by the 
Central Government on crash programme for 
rural employment scheme and the names of 
States which spent less than the allotted 
amount in 1971-72 ; and 

(b) the reaction of Government thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The States of Andhra 
Pradesh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu have 
exceeded the expenditure allocated by the 
Central Government under Crash Scheme for 
Rural Employment. The rest of the States 
have spent less than the amount allocated to 
them. 

(b) Some States could not spend fully 
the money allotted to them for a number of 
reasons. Since 1971-72 was the first year of 
operation of Crash Scheme for Rural Em- 
ployment various administrative and pro- 
cedural problems had to be solved. Then, for 
certain States there were special problems 
created by the Indo-Pak conflict, influx of 
refugees etc. All State Governments have 
been requested to step up the tempo during 
1972-73 so as to achieve the maximum 
targets. 

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Training In New Strategy • of Agriculture 
Under Farmers Training and Education 
Programme 

2143. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether covering 10 Districts in the 
country nearly 14 lakh farmers including 
men and women farmers, have been trained 
in the new strategy of agriculture under the 
Farmers Training and Education Programme ; 
and 

(b) if so, the names of the district with 
the States ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) Yes, Under 
the Centrally Sponsord Scheme of the Farmers 
Training and Education, 100 districts have 
been established in the country to provide 
essential support to agricultural production 
effort. Total number of farmers (men and 
women) trained up to 30th June, 1972 is 
nearly 14 lakh as per details given in State- 
ment I laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT-3390/72]. 

(b) The Statewise names of 100 Districts 
covered under * the programme are given in 
Statement II laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library, See No. LT-3390/72]. 

Earnings of Shipping Corporation of India 
and Indian Shipping In Private Sector 

2144. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 


PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Shipping Corporation of 
India has earned a profit of Rs. 7.25 crore 
during the fiscal year 1971-72 ; 

(b) if so, the total tonnage of Indian 
Shipping including both public and private 
sector; and 

(c) whether the earnings of private sector 
of Indian Shipping are proportionately higher 
and if so, the reasons for the same ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. Though the balance sheet for 
the year 1971-72 has not yet been published, 
the Shipping Corporation of India is estimated 
to make a profit of about Rs. 7.25 crores 
during the year 1971-72 ; 

(b) The total operative tonnage of all 
Indian shipping companies as on 31.3.72 was 
as follows : 

Private Sector 12,95,314 GRT 

Public Sector . . 12,25,106 GRT 

Total : 25,20,420 GRT 

(c) No, Sir. The returns of the Shipping 
Corporation of India on the total capital 
employed calculated for the last 10 years 
comes to an average of 8.17 per cent which is 
higher than the returns of other private sectoi 
shipping companies of comparable size engaged 
in similar operations. 

Finalisation of Fisheries Project in Mysore 

2145. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to refer to the reply given to Unstarred ques- 
tion No. 1735 on the 3rd April, 1972 regard- 
ing development of deep sea fishing industry 
in Mysore and state further progress of 
fisheries project to develop Malpe and 
Hounavar Ports as fishing harbours and to 
provide facilities in and around Karwar for 
fishing and preservation of fish ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The project 
proposed by the Government of Mysore for 
development of fisheries at Malpe, Honnavar 
and Karwar with assistance from the World 
Bank is under examination with reference to 
the terms and conditions of World Bank 



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assistance for such projects. In the meantime, 
detailed project Reports including plans and 
estimates for fishing harbours at Malpe and 
Honnavar have prepared by the UNDP 
Project for Pre-Investment Survey of fishing 
harbours. The estimated cost of the fishing 
harbours proposed for Malpe and Honnavar 
is Rs. ?75.00 lakhs and Rs. 41.45 lakhs 
respectively. The question of sanctioning 
these harbours is under examination in 
consultation with the Ministry of Finance. So 
far as Karwar fishing harbour is concerned, 
a total amount of Rs 25.99 lakhs has been 
sanctioned so far by the Government of India 
between 1967 and 1972. The facilities 
provided at Karwar include a wharf, slipway 
and auction hall. Under the provision of the 
Indo-Norwegian Agreement, a fishermen’s 
training centre, a boat building yard with a 
servicing station and workshop, an ice plant, 
and cold storage and freezing plant have 
been provided. 

Long-Term Development Programme for 

Fishing Potential on Coastal Areas 

2146. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGII : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a long-term development 
programme to exploic the fishing potential 
along the thousands of miles of coast line 
covering many States has been drawn ; and 

(b) if so, the main features of it ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Deep Sea Surwy Organisation (establis- 
hed in 1946) in coordination with the Central 
Marine Fisheries Research Institute (started 
m 1947), and the Indo-Norwegian Project 
(1953-71) have been conducting exploratory 
and experimental fishing, and biological and 
oceanographic studies, on a continuing basis, 
with a view to assessing the fishery resources 
of our seas. Charting of resources up to a 
depth of 25 fathoms (150 feet) ha3 been 
ea»ried out extensively, and in some areas 
exploiatory work has been conducted upto 
about 40 fathoms. In the southern stretch of 
tlu* coast, from Mangalore on the West to 
Mandaparn on the East, surveys have been 
conducted at much greater depths, and 
valuable resources of deep sea shrimp and 
lobster htfve been located between 100 and 
^5 fathoms. The emphasis until recently has 
been on demersal stocks, i. e„ stocks occurring 


close to the sea bottom. Increasing attention 
is now being given to pelagic stocks, i. e., 
surface and mid- water stocks. A five-year 
programme of investigation of pelagic fishery 
resources along the South West Coast was 
taken up with UNDP assistance in 1971. 
A proposal for a similar UNDP assisted survey 
on the East Coast has been submitted to 
UNDP for consideration. During the 5th 
Plan, which is now being formulated, it is 
proposed to expand the activities of the Deep 
sea Survey Organisation and the Central 
Marine Fisheries Research Institute by provi- 
ding larger vessels with a wider range of 
operation. The Indo-Norwegian Project is 
proposed to be continued as an Intergratcd 
Project for Fisheries Development. Proposals 
are also being cansidercd for the conduct of 
special surveys and experimental fishing for 
tuna, which is a valuable variety of fish with 
export potential. 

• 

Study Team on Development of dry land 
Agriculture 

2147. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the members of the 
Study team on the Development of Dry Land 
Agriculture (and Dry Farming Technology) 
set up by the Government of India : 

(b) the date on which the Study Team 
was set up ; and 

(c) the likely date by which the Commi- 
ttee is expected to complete its work and 
submit its report ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The names 
of the members of the Study Team are given 
below : 


1. Dr. A. S, Chcema, Agriculture Commi- 
ssioner. 

* ' Chairman 

2. Dr. J. S. Kanwar, Deputy Director 
General, ICAR. 

* 'Alternate Chairman 

3. Dr, A. M. Michael, (Water Techno- 
logy Centre) I. A. R. I., New Delhi. 

• ■ Member 


4. Dr. D. P. Motiramani, 

Jawaharlal Nehru Vidyalaya, Jabbalpur. 

• • Member 



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5. Dr. N. D. Rege, Joint Commissioner 
(SC). 

• * Member 

6. Dr. G. A. Patel, 

Director of Agriculture, Gujarat. 

■ 'Member 

7. Dr. Ranbir Singh. Director of Agricul- 
ture, Rajasthan. 

Membtr 

8. Shri P. S. Majumdar, 

Chief (Agri.), Planning Commission. 

'Member 

9. Dr. K. N. Synghal, 

Director (Dry Farming) 

■ ■ Member Secretary. 

(b) The Study Team was set up on 3rd 
January, 1972. 

(c) The Study Team has already submitted 
its final report for the approval of the Govern- 
ment of India. 


Extension of Panchayati Raj to all States 
and Union Territories 

2148. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PAR ASH AR : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Panchayati Raj does not 
extend to all the States and Union territories 
of the country ; 

(b) if so, whether it is contemplated to 
extend it to all the States and Union territories 
and to persuade the Slates in which it is not 
implemented ; and 

(c) the likely date by which the whole 
country is expected to be covered by this 
programme ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Panchayati 
Raj extends to all the States and Union 
Territories in the country except Jammu and 
Kashmir, Kerala, Nagaland, Meghalaya, 
Manipur, Tripura, Delhi, Goa, Daman and 
Diu, Pondicherry, Andaman and Nicobar 
Islands, Dadra and Nagar Haveli, Laccadive, 
Minicoy and Amindive Islands and Mizoram. 

Panchayati Raj is a State subject and the 
Central Government has been constantly 
urging upon the State Governments and 
Union Territory Administrations the need for 
rarly implementation of the Panchayati Raj 
Programme. The approach to policy on 


Community Development and Panchayati Raj 
was last considered by the Conference of 
States* Ministers in-charge of Community 
Development and Panchayati Raj held at 
Madras in June, 1968. The Conference 
commended that “Panchayati Raj as the 
instrument of democratic decentralisation 
should continue, the question of three-tier or 
two-tier structure being left to the option of 
the States.’* No time limit has, however, 
been envisaged for this. 

Study of Rural Unemployment by some 
Institutions 

2149. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether 12 studies have been carried 
out in different parts of the country through 
the Agro-Economic Research Centres and 
other research bodies to ascertain the nature 
and extent of xural unemployment and the 
impact of Crash Scheme for Rural Employ- 
ment ; 

(b) whether the institutions have comple- 
ted their surveys and reports have been submit- 
ted to the Government ; and 

(c) if so, the main findings of these 
reports ; and if not, the date by which the 
reports are expected to be completed ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). Yes Sir. These 
studies are in progress. The major portion of 
surveys is over. The Government expect to 
receive the reports shortly. 

Recommendation of Central Land 
Reforms Committee, 1970 

2150. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the Members of the 
Central Land Reforms Committee, to which 
the Conference of Chief Ministers referred to 
problems connected with ceiling on land 
holdings ; and 

(b) the exact recommendations of this 
Committee, as made in its repot t in August, 
1970 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Central 



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Land Reforms Committee is composed of the 
following : 

1. Minister of Agriculture — Chairman 

2. Minister of Law and Justice — Member 

3. Minister of Planning — Member 

4. Minister of State in the 

Ministry of Agriculture — Member 

5. Minister of State in the 

Ministiy of Home Affairs — Member 

6. Member (Agriculture) Planning 

Commission — Member 

The Chief Ministers of Bihar, Himachal 
Pradesh, Maharashtra, Punjab and Tamil 
Nadu were co-opted as members of the 
Central Land Reforms Committee to consider 
problems connected with the ceiling on land 
holdings. 

(b) The Central Land Rcfoims Commi- 
ttee was set up in September 1970. It submi- 
tted its rtxommcndations in August 1971 and 
not in August 1970. The Recommendations 
of the Committee were as follows : 

( i ) Ceiling should be applicable for 
the family as a whole, the term 
‘family* being defined so as to 
include husband, wife and minor 
children , 

(ii) When* the number of members in 
the family exceeds five, additional 
land may be allowed for each 
memb< r in excess of five in such 
a manner that the total area 
admissible to the family docs not 
exceed twice the ceiling limit for 
a family ; 

(ni) The ceiling for a family of five 
members may be fixed within the 
range of 10 to 18 acres of pere- 
nnially irrigated land or land 
under assured irrigation from 
Government source capable of 
glowing two crops. As soil condi- 
tions, productivity of land, nature 
of crop grown etc. vary from 
State to State and even within 
the same State from region to 
region, the Committee considered 
it desirable simply to indicate a 
range within which the ceiling 
should be fixed instead of sugges- 
ting any rigid ceiling for the 
whole country ; 


(iv) For various other categories of 
land conversion ratios should be 
fixed taking into account availa- 
bility of water, productivity, soil 
classification, crops grown etc. 
The absolute ceiling for a family 
of five, even in the case of dry 
lands should be put at 54 acres. 
This limit would be relaxable if 
there is special justification for 
doing so on account of the nature 
of soil, rainfall, chronic drought 
conditions etc. 

(v) Exemptions in the existing State 
Laws in favour of mechanised 
farms, well-managed farms etc. 
should be withdrawn ; 

(vi) The exemption in favour of plan- 
tations of tea, coffee, cardamom, 
rubber ^tc., should be carefully 
examined in consultation with the 
Ministries concerned and State 
Governments. Thereafter this 
and other types of exemptions 
should be discussed with the Chief 
Ministers in order to formulate 
the national policy. 

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Faith Homes ran by Christian 
Missionaries 

2152. DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of ‘faith homes’ in India 
run by Christian Missionaries ; 

(b) the activities of the faith homes ; and 

(c) Government grant if any ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). The information is 
being collected and will be laid on the Table 
of the House in due course. 

Elimination of Communal and Caste 
Influence in Education 

2153. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 

SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether communalism and casteism 


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still exercise considerable influence in the 
sphere of education : 

(b) whether any efforts have been made 
by the Centre to eliminate such communal 
and caste influences on education ; and 

(c) if so, the results achieved so far in 
this respect ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 

(a) Government have received reports that 
Communalism and Casteism manifest them- 
selves on certain occasion in varying degiees 
in national life and this has its repercussion 
in certain spheres of educations 

(b) To counteract and ultimately elimi- 
nate such influences, Government have been 
taking several steps to promote positive attitu- 
des of integration, rationalism and secularism 
in the academic community. These include 
inter-Statc and other types of student camps 
where young people of various communities, 
castes and regions live together and learn to 
appreciate each other’s culture and tradition, 
establishment of national integration samitis 
in universities and colleges to promote attitu- 
des of integration, bringing out text materials 
which instil concepts of integration and 
secularism, necessary orientation of teachers, 
bringing together writers of different regions 
so that they develop mutual understanding 
and appreciation which will in turn be reflec- 
ted in their books, etc. 

(c) It needs persistent, continuous and 
long-term effort to bieak down long- entrenched 
attitudes and mores. Nevertheless, the steps 
taken so far have brought about better under- 
standing within the academic community, and 
Government have every hope that with conti- 
nued effort, the objective will be ultimately 
achieved. 

Codification of Privileges of Parliament 

2154. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will 
the Minister of PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to 
codify the privileges of Parliament ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) No, Sir. 

(b) Question does not arise. 



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Separate Pool of Residences for Staff of 
Hospitals in the Capital 

2155. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : 

SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state 
whether Government is considering to create 
a separate pool of residences for allotment 
to the staff working in Government Hospitals 
in the Capital keeping in view the nature of 
their duties, in the public interest ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CH ATTOPADI I Y AYA) : Yes. So far as the 
(i) Safdaijang (ii) Willingdon and (iii) Lady 
Hardinge and Kalavati Saran Children 
Hospitals with which the Central Government 
is concerned there is a proposal to have a 
pool of residences for the staff separately for 
each of these hospitals. 

Disposal of D. D. A. Residential Plots by 
Public Auction 

2156. SHRI R S PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether most of the plots of land 
developed by the Delhi Development Authori- 
ty for residential pui poses are disposed of by 
public auction and sold at very high prices ; 

(b) whether such plots of land are pur- 
chased by the richer class of society as per- 
sons belonging to middle income or lower 
income groups cannot afford to purchase 
them in auction ; if so, reasons for not allot- 
ing these plots to people on fixed rates by 
draw of lots ; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
advise the Delhi Development Authority to 
offer these plots of land to the public on rea- 
sonable fixed rates or fix some quota of the 
plots which would be put to auction in future 
to enable the salaried class to purchase these 
plots of land for residential purposes ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. So 
far, the Delhi Development Authority have 
allotted 13,060 residential plots. Out of these, 


6,460 have been allotted at fixed price, and 
not by auction. 

(b) and (c). The policy of disposing of a cer- 
tain quantum of developed land by auction is 
intended to raise funds which are ploughed 
back for investment in infrastructural facili- 
ties and services, for subsidising housing for 
the lower income groups and for provision 
and maintenance of greens and public 
open spaces. Some developed plots are 
earmarked for allotment at pre-determined 
rates by draw of lots to persons in the low 
and middle income groups. All persons can 
participate in open auction of developed 
plots provided they do not have a plot or 
house already in Delhi either in their own 
name or in the name of their husband/wife 
or dependent children. 

Area of Land under Sugar-cane Cultiva- 
tion 

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2157. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total area of land at present 
under cultivation of sugar-cane in the coun- 
try and the additional land which is proposed 
to be brought under its cultivation in different 
States ; and 

(b) the steps being taken to implement 
this decision and its expected yield during the 
current year ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) and (b). 
Estimates of area and production of sugar- 
cane during the current year (1972-73) arc 
not yet available. While there are no specific 
plans for bringing additional area under its 
cultivation, there are indications that the area 
under the crop m the country would show an 
increase over 1971-72 

Admission to Pre-medical Courses of 
Delhi University 

2158. SHRI R. S. PANDEY ; Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a large number of students 
securing first class marks have been denied 
admission to the pre-Medical course of Delhi 
University this year owing to its meagre in- 
take capacity of seats for this course ; 

(b) whether rush of this course has been 
increasing for the last few years ; and 



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172 


(c) if so, reasons for not increasing the 
intake capacity of the institutions and what 
steps aie now being taken to accommodate 
students in the pr^Medical course of the 
Delhi University ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord- 
ing to the information furnished by Delhi 
University 486 candidates who had obtained 
67% and below marks but above 60% marks 
could not be admitted to the Pre-Medical 
Course. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) On account of limited physical faci- 
lities in the colleges it is not possible for the 
University to inciease the intake capacity. 
The students who have not been able to 
obtain admission in the Pre-Medical course, 
are now eligible for admission to second year 
B. Sc. (Hons.) class in Botany and Zoology. 

Admission to College of Professional 
Studies, Delhi 

2159. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been a rush of 
students for admission to the College of Pro- 
fessional Studies recently started by the 
Delhi University and many students have 
not been able to get admission because of its 
limited intake capacity ; 

(b) the subjects offered by this institu- 
tion ; and 

(c) whether it is proposed to open more 
such institutions for the benefit of students 
seeking professional studies ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) 1500 
students applied for admission to the various 
courses m the College of Vocational Studies. 
The first list of 412 candidates was announ- 
ced by the University on July 10, 1972. Out 
of this list only 181 students turned up for 
admission. The second list of 209 candidates 
was announced the next day, out of whom 
123 came for admission. Subsequently three 
more lists were announced and it was on 
July 28, 1972 only that the admission could 
be completed. The total number of students' 
admitted to the College is 407. 

(b) During the academic year 1972-73 


the following six subjects will be introduced 
as an integral part of the B. A. (Pass) course : 

(i) Tourism ; 

(ii) Book- Publishing; 

(iii) Insurance ; 

(lv) Retailing and Trade ; 

(v) Store-Keeping and Stores Account- 
ing ; and 

(vi) Office Management and Secretary- 
ship. 

(c) The University proposes to open one 
more college of Vocational studies from the 
next academic session. 

Post-Matric Scholarship to S. C. and S. T. 

Students 

2160. SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state the amount of 
post-matric scholarships offered by the Centre 
as well as State Governments, State -wise, to 
the students belonging to the Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes during 1969-70, 1970-71 
and 1971-72 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO- 
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : A statement is laid on tbc Table 
of the Sabha. [Placed in Library. See No. LT- 
3391/72 ]. 

Closure of British India Steam Naviga- 
tion Company 

2161. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO- 
DKAR : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Century old monopoly 
of the British India Steam Navigation Com- 
pany on the Indo-West Asian passenger run 
is to end soon ; and 

(b) if so, what alternative arrangements 
for the same have been made ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) 
and (b). The Mogul Line Ltd., a public sector 
spipping company, have started a passenger- 
cum-cargo service between Bombay and West 
Asia Gulf ports from 26th June, 1972, with 
their new vessel M. V. Akbar. With this, 
the monopoly of the British India Steam 
Navigation Company on this route will end. 



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Linking of Cooperative Credit with Co* 
operative Marketing Societies 

2162. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) how many State Marketing Federation 
have completed the study of the operation of 
the scheme of linking of cooperative credit 
with cooperative marketing in any particular 
district of the State ; 

(b) the action taken by the National 
Cooperative Development Cooperation on the 
report of the Kerala State Cooperative Mar- 
keting Federation ; and 

(c) the reasons for conducting such a 
study ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNAS AHEB P. SHINDE) x (a) Only Kerala 
State Cooperative Marketing Federation has 
completed a sample study of the operation of 
the scheme of linking of cooperative credit 
with marketing in two Talukas of Calicut and 
I’alghat Districts. 

(b) The comments of the Government of 
Kerala have been invited on receipt of which 
further action will he taken by the N C D.G. 

(c) A Ramplc study of the working of 
Cooperative Marketing Societies, with parti- 
cular reference of the progress in the imple- 
mentation of the scheme of linking of coopera- 
tive credit with cooperative marketing in 
Ajmer District of Rajasthan, conducted by 
the Jodhpur University, revealed certain short- 
comings in the operation of the scheme, This 
prompted the N. C. D. C. to suggest to all 
State Cooperative Marketing Federations to 
undertake similar studies in one of the districts 
in their respective States, with a view to 
identifying and remedying the shortcomings 
of the scheme. 

Financial Assistance to Rice Mills for 
Modernisation 

2163. SHRI P, A. SAMINATHAN : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the State-wise break-up of 48 existing 
conventional rice mills which had been given 
financial assistance for modernisation ; 

(b) how many of them have been modcr* 
nised so far ; and 

(c) the action taken to find solution to the 


prohlems relating to the organisation, establish- 
ment, financing and working of these rice mills 
which were discussed in the All India Con- 
ference on Cooperative Rice Mills held at 
Hyderabad in ‘November, 1971 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A statement 
is laid on the Table of the House. 

(b) Ten. 

(c) The recommendations of the Con- 
ference held at Hyderabad were communi- 
cated to the State Governments and the apex 
cooperative marketing Federations, who have 
to initiate necessary action in the matter. 
The N. C. D. C. provides 75% of the block 
capital requirements for establishment of 
modern rice mills in the cooperative sector, 
under a Central Sector Scheme. It is also 
providing assisttnee for the margin money 
requirements of the rice mills to enable them 
to raise adequate working capital from the 
scheduled/commercial banks which have been 
advised by the Reserve Bank of India to 
liberally provide such assistance to modern 
rice mills in the cooperative sector. 

A special Working Group was constituted 
to go into the difficulties faced by the coopera- 
tive rice mills. As recommended by the 
Group, the State Governments and the F. C. 
I. have been advised to utilise cooperative 
rice mills to the maximum extent possible for 
the milling of paddy and also to increasingly 
utilise the cooperatives in their procurement 
operations. Arrangements have also been 
made with the Indian Institute of Technology 
Kharagpur, to conduct suitable courses for 
training senior technical personnel of coopera- 
tive rice mills. Besides, rice mill machinery 
manufacturers have been requested to provide 
efficient after-sales service and they have 
agreed to do so. 


Name of the State 

No. of rice mills which 
were assisted for moder- 
nisation. 

I. Andhra Pradesh 

1 

2. Assam 

4 

3. Bihar 

5 

4. Madhya Pradesh 

10 

5. Orissa 

17 

6. West Bengal 

6 

7. Mysore 

5 


Total 48 



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Blueprints by National Cooperative 
Development Corporation or Cooperatives 
for establishing Agricultural processing 
Units 

2164. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of model blueprints for- 
mulated and circulated by the National 
Cooperative Development Corporation during 
the past three years for the purpose of pro- 
viding guidelines to the cooperatives for and 
establishment of agriculture processing units ; 

(b) the number of agricultural processing 
units established during the past three years 
on the basis of model blueprints provided by 
N. C. D. C. ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB. P. SHINDE) : (a) The National 
Cooperative Development Corporation formu- 
lated and circulated 15 model blueprints for the 
purpose of providing guidelines to the coope- 
ratives, for establishment of agricultural pro- 
cessing units, during the last three years, i. e. 
1969-70 to 1971-72. 

(b) 56 cooperative processing units were 
organised during the last three years based on 
the model blueprints circulated by the N. C. 
D. C. 

Utilisation of Sugar bye-Prodncts by 
Sugar Factories 

2165. SHRI V. MAY A VAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the names of locations of 14 sugar 
factories which have taken up projects for the 
utilisation of sugar bye-produrts ; 

(b) whether any assessment has been 
made of the difficulties faced by other coopera- 
tive sugar factories in setting up projects for 
the utilisation of sugar bye -products ; and 

(c) if so, the steps taken by Government 
for removing such difficulties ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) So far as bagasse is concer- 
ned, M/s. Shctkari Sahakari Sakhar Kar- 
khana Ltd., Sangli, (Maharashtra) have 
obtained a Letter of Intent for setting up a 
plant for the manufacture of newsprint with 


an annual capacity of 44,500 tonnes, based on 
bagasse. Molasses is mainly used as raw 
material in distillation industry. At present 
37 sugar factories have distilleries attached to 
them for the manufacture of industrial alcohol, 
rectified spirit and potable liquors. 

(b) and (c). The industries making use of 
the bye -products of the sugar industry as raw 
material are being looked after by different 
Ministries. A co-ordinated assessment of the 
difficulties faced by the cooperative sugar 
factories in setting up such projects does not 
appear to have been made so far. 

Steps by National Cooperative Develop- 
ment Corporation regarding Installation 
of Sugar Factories on Cooperative basis 

2166. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state t 

(a) the steps taken by the National Co- 
operative Development Corporation as a result 
of the discussions held with the representatives 
of newly licensed sugar cooperatives on the 
5th and 6th July, 1971, at Poona, regarding 
the difficulties being faced by them in complet- 
ing the installation of their factories ; and 

(b) how many factories have started 
production as a result of the efforts of the 
N. C. D. C. ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The N. C. 
D. C. has taken the following steps in the 
matter : — 

(i) Raising of share capital 

The State Governments have been request- 
ed to enhance the Plan provisions for contri- 
bution towards the share capital of sugar 
cooperatives. In the case of some States, the 
Plan provisions have been enhanced. However, 
there is still a constraint of availability of 
resources. 

The sugar factories have been advised to 
persuade cane growers to avail of facilities 
available from the Reserve Bank of India for 
medium term loans for purchase of shares in 
newly lincensed cooperative sugar factories. 
The Reserve Bank of India has also been 
requested to simplify the scheme so as to 
make it easy to operate, 

(Ii) Availability of long term finances 

The N. C. D. C. has maintained close 



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liaison with the Industrial Finance Corporation 
and is also represented on the Sugar Industry 
Loan Advisory Committee of the IFC. 

The IFC convened a Conference of all 
newly licensed cooperative sugar factories in 
April 1972, and there is now little difficulty 
for eligible cooperative sugar factories in 
obtaining loan from the Industrial Finance Cor- 
poration for their block capital requirements. 

(iii) Supply of plant and machinery 

Liaison is being maintained with the 
Ministry of Industrial Development, which 
organised a meeting with manufacturers of 
sugar mills machinery, and various measures 
have been initiated to expedite, to the extent 
possible, the supply of plant and machinery 
ordered by sugar factories. 

(tv) Development of sugarcane 

The State Governments have been advised 
to take special steps for the development of 
sugarcane in the command area of newly 
licensed sugar factories. The matter is being 
followed up by the N. C. D. C. 

(b) Subsequent to the Poona Conference, 
6 new cooperative sugar factories have gone 
into production. 

Cooperative Sugar Factories 

2167. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the names and location of 74 coope- 
rative sugar factories to whom an amount of 
Rs. 65. 83 crores has been sanctioned as loan 
up to June, 197 1 mentioned in para 23 of 
Report, 1971-72 of Ministry of Agriculture 
(Department of Cooperation) ; and 

(b) the names and location of cooperative 
sugar factories which are yet to pay the 
initial loan back to the Industrial Finance 
Corporation of India ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A state- 
ment is laid on the Table of the House* 
[Placed in Library . See No. L-T 3392/72]. 

(b) The cooperative sugar factories which 
have been marked with in the statement laid 
0n the Table of the House have yet to pay 
fully the initial loan obtained from the 

Industrial Finance Corporation of India, 


Non-Cooperation of Sugar Manufacturers 
with Government 

2168. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the sugar manufacturers have 
decided not to co-operate with the Govern- 
ment and not to accept the verdict of the 
Government since 1st July, 1972 ; and 

(b) the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). A number of 
sugar factories have filed writ petitions in 
the Supreme Court and the various High 
Courts, and obtained interim orders restrain- 
ing the Government from enforcing the Sugar 
(Price Determination) Order, 1972, fixing 
the prices of levy fugar, subject to the facto- 
ries providing bank guarantees for the deffer- 
ence between the notified prices and the 
prices at which the sugar is actually sold by 
them. The matter is sub judice . 

Popularising Hindi In Eastern Region 

2169. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Hindi Shiksha Samiti 
has recommended that special attention 
should be paid to popularising Hindi in the 
eastern region of the country, specially in the 
recently constituted States ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto and the steps taken in this direc- 
tion ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF lEDUCATION AND SO* 
CIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA* 
SWAMY) : (a) At the meeting of the 
Hindi Shiksha^ Samiti held on the 18th July, 
1972, the representative from Meghalaya 
suggested that special attention should be 
paid for the spread of Hindi in the eastern 
States. 

(b) The Government of India will consi- 
der favourably any request received cither 
from the concerned State, Governments or 
from the Voluntary Hindi Organisations for 
financial assistance required for propagation 
of Hindi in these States. 



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Agency for opening Small and Marginal 
Farmers Development Scheme in each 
District 

2170. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have set up any 
Agency for opening Small Farmers’ and 
Marginal Farmers’ agencies in each District 
in the country for the benefit of Small and 
Marginal Farmers ; 

(b) if so, the total number of such Small 
Farmers’ and Marginal Farmers* Agencies 
set up so far in the country ; and 

(c) the number of farmers benefited so 
far during the last three years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No Sir. 

(b) The pilot experiment of setting up 
SFDA/MFAL Agencies has been taken up in 
87 selected project areas of the country. 

(c) According to the Progress reports 
received from the Agencies, upto 31st May, 
1972, 1.5 lakh small farmers under the SFDA 
and 0.47 lakh marginal farmers and agricul- 
tural labourers under the MFALs have been 
benefited under various programmes. 

Storage Capacity of Foodgrains 

2171. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the existing capacity of the storage 
of foodgrains in India as on the 30th June, 
1972 ; 

(b) the quantity of foodgrains procured 
by various State Governments in the country 
during this year upto 30th June, 1972 ; 

(c) whether some quantity of foodgrains 
is still lying in open due to paucity of storage 
facilities, if so, the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to protect these foodgrains ; and 

(d) the quantity of foodgrains damaged 
due to lack of storage facilities in the country 
during the last three years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 
owned Storage capacity with Government 
Agencies as on 31.3.1972 was as under:— 


(in million tonnes ) 


Agency 

Capacity 

Food Corporation of India 

4.33 

State Governments 

1.69 

Central Warehousing Cor- 

0.89 

poration. 

State Warehousing Cor- 

0.35 

porations. 

Cooperatives 

3.10 

10.36 


(b) A quantity of 8.3 million tonnes of 
foodgrains has been procured upto the 30th 
June, 1972, during the current Kharif and 
Rabi procurement seasons. 

(c) All procured foodgiains have been 
kept under covered storage including cover 
and plinth (GAP) storage. The owned capa- 
city lias been supplemented by hired capacity 
by the various Agencies. 

(d) Foodgrains procured on Central 
account have not been damaged due to lack 
of storage facilities. 

Smuggling of Priceless Fossils from Pun- 
jab University to Yale University 

2172. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the smuggling of priceless 
Fossils from Punjab University, Chandigarh to 
Yale University, in violation of the contract ; 

(b) if so, the action Government propose 
to take or have taken in the matter ; and 

(c) what precautionary steps Govern- 
ment propose to take so that such things are 
not repeated in future ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASANj: (a) The Punjab 
University has not reported any such case. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

House Sites to Landless Workers in Kerala 

2173. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

DR. HENRY AUSTIN : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any scheme regarding pro* 



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vision of house sites to landless workers in 
rural areas was forwarded by the Government 
of Kerala ; 

(b) if so, the nature of the assistance 
sought from the Central Government ; and 

(c) the decision taken in this matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The Government of Kerala had 
sought Central assistance amounting to about 
Rs. 8 crores ; comprising about Rs. 6 crores 
for acquisition of land required for providing 
house-sites to the landless workers in rural 
areas, and Rs. 2 ciores towards development 
of these sites. 

(c) The Central Government have sanc- 
tioned the projec ts for provision of 9(3,000 
house sites, in 960 Panchayat areas. The 
State Government have also been sanctioned 
grant- in-atd of Rs. 2.74 crores during the 
current financial year, out of which Rs. 2 02 
crores is intended to meet 33-1/3% of the 
cost of acquisition of about 46$ 1 acres of 
land. The balance 66.2/3% of the cost of 
land will be paid to the owners of the land 
m the form of negotiable bonds to be re- 
el cenicd by the State Government during the 
next to financial years. The Government 
of India will, in turn, reimburse these 
amounts (as and when they become due) to 
the State Government. 

The remaining Rs. 72 lakhs of the sanc- 
tioned Central assistance would cover 50% 
of the cost of development of 96,000 house- 
sites. The balance of 50% expenditure on 
development of these sites will be arranged 
by the State Government through voluntary 
labour/contributions by the beneficiaries etc. 

Grants given to Bogus Harijan Welfare 
Organisation 

2174. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
received complaints that giants have been 
Riven during the last many years in the names 

bogus Harijan welfare organisations who 
d° not exist ; 

(b) if so, whether any enquiry had been 


conducted by Government and if so, with 
what results ; and 

(c) the amount of grant given to such 
organisations during the last three years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMASWAMY) : 

(a) No. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Supply of Helicopters by a Japanese firm 
for Agricultural purpose 

2175. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have approached 
a Japanese firm about the possibility of supply- 
ing 40 helicopters for agricultural purposes 
recently ; 

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(b) if so, whether any reply has since been 
received from that firm ; and 

(c) the main points thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

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Role of Catholic Bishops Against the 
Government Policy of Unifying fees in 
Government and Private Colleges in 
Kerala 

2180. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
has been drawn to the fact that Catholic 
Bishops in Kerala had taken direct part in 
organising their religious followers in that 
State, against the policy of Government in 
unifying the fees in Government and private 
colleges ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Efforts are being made to bring about 
a settlement. 

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190 


Applications for Licences to start Indust- 
ries in M. P. 

2182. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of applications received 
by Government from individuals and Compa- 
nies from January 1970 to 31st March, 1972 
for licences to start industries in Madhya 
Pradesh with names of the applicants and the 
nature of industries they wanted to start and 
how many of them have been issued licences ; 
and 

(b) the location of the industries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (bj. The number of applications for 
licences for the establishment of new indust- 
ries in Madhya Pradesh received during the 
period 1.1.70 to 30.6.72 is 126. Six industrial 
licences and 44 letters of intent for new 
industries in Madhya Pradesh have been issued 
during this period. Details of pending appli- 
cations are normally not disclosed. The details 
of all the liccnces/letters of intent issued, 
showing also the industry to which they relate 
and location etc., are regularly published in 
the weekly ‘Bulletin of Industrial Licences, 
Import Licences and Export Licences’, the 
weekly ‘Indian Trade Journal', and the monthly 
‘Journal of Industry and Trade'. Copies of 
these publications are supplied to the Parlia- 
ment Library. 

Applications for Cement Plant in M. P. 

2183. SIIRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of applications pending 
with his Ministry for sanction regarding the 
opening of Cement Plants in Madhya Pradesh ; 
and 

(b) the reasons for delay in thei.' disposal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
U) and (b) a One application belonging to a 
Kroup of Larger Business Houses, is pending. 
This is awaiting necessary clearance from the 
M. R. T. P. angle. 


Heavy Industries in M. P. 

2184. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA i Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of heavy industries along 
with their location, in Madhya Pradesh, both 
in the public and private sectors along with 
the items being manufactured by them ; and 

(b) the number of persons employed by 
them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) :(a)The number of major industrial 
units in Madhya Pradesh in the public and pri- 
vate sectors is 26 and 112 respectively. Some of 
the major industries of the State include 
Industrial Machinery like rayon plant, solvent 
extraction plantj crushing equipment, coal, 
iron ore, iron and steel, steel castings, bright 
bars and shadings, transformer generating 
sets, switchgear and motors, aluminium con- 
ductors, cement and asbestos cement products, 
chemical industries, oil and flour milling, 
paper, sugar, cotton and synthetic textiles. 
Some of the important locations of industries 
in the State are Bhopal, Ujjain, Dewas, 
Maheshwar, Burhanpur, Kymore, Mandhar, 
Chandni, Raipur, Bhilai, Indore, Gwalior, 
Bailadilla, Satna, Jabalpur and Ratlam. 

(b) The number of persons employed in 
Public and Private Sectors is reported by the 
State Government as 86,541 and 1,12,352, 
respectively. 

Enlargement of Fourth Plan For M.P. in 
view of its Backwardness 

2186. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : 

SHRI G.C. DIXIT : 

Will tl*c Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
enlarge the Fourth Five Year Plan for the 
State of Madhya Pradesh in view of its back- 
wardness ; and 

(b) if BO, the details regarding the 
schemes and allocation of money for this 
purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
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the resources available for financing the 
Fourlh Five Year Plan of Madhya Pradesh, 
it has been found that the outlay on the 
State's Plan can be increased to Rs. 435 
crores from the present approved outlay of 
Rs. 393 crores. This increase in outlay 
is proposed to be financed from the State's 
own resources. Recently a request has been 
made for a further increase in the Fourth 
Five Year Plan outlay of Madhya Pradesh. 
The matter is under consideration. 

(b) The sectoral allocation of the increas- 
ed outlay proposed by the Government of 
Madhya Pradesh is still to be decided. 

Charge Indicator Meter 

2187. SHRI AMAR NATH GHAWLA : 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarred Question No. 2671 on the 12th 
April, 1972 regarding Installation of telephone 
meters and state : 

(a) whether the field trial of the sophisti- 
cated Charge Indicator meter, capable of 
recording telephone calls, has since been com- 
pleted and the question of installing these 
meters at subscribers places has been decided; 
and 

(b) if so, when ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) No 
Sir. Not Yet. 

(b) Question does not arise. 

Applicability of the Decision taken by 
Cabinet Secretariat to Central Secretariat 
Service 

2189. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the decision contained in 
para 4 of the Cabinet Secretariat (Department 
of Personnel's) O. M. No. 9/3/72-Estt. (D) 
date the 22nd July, 1972 is applicable to the 
Central Secretariat Service ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) i (a) 
No, Sir. 

(b) The instructions of 22nd July, 1972 
are applicabe to those Services/posts under the 


Centra! Government to which the general 
principles of seniority as contained in MHA 
O.M. No. 9/11/55-RPS dated 22nd December 
1959 had been applied. The O. M. of 22nd 
December 1959 was not applied to the Cen- 
tral Secretariat Service for which separate 
principles of seniority had been laid down. 
The issue is, however, sub judtee since some of 
the interested persons have recently filed writ 
petitions in the Supreme Court. 

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Arrest of Thieves in Delhi and Goods 
seised from them 

2193. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 


to state : 

(a) the total number of thieves arrested 
in Delhi during the last six months for com- 
mitting thefts, burglaries etc ; 

(b) the total value of goods seized from 
them ; 

(c) the action taken against the persons so 
arrested ; and 

(d) whether goods so seized have since 
been handed over to their actual owners and 
if not, the reasons therefor and when the 
goods are likely to be handed over to 
them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) 1208 persons were 
arrested in the cases of thefts and burglaries 
during the last six months i.e. from 1.2.1972 
to 31.7.1972. 

(b) Rs. 38,23,728.22 paise. 

(c) 64 persons have been discharged. 
Gases of 517 persons are under investigation 
and 627 persons have been challaned. Of the 
persons challaned, 79 have been convicted, 3 
acquitted and cases of 545 persons are pen- 
ding trial in courts. 

(d) Such property seized by the police, is 
returned under the orders of the court concer- 
ned. Almost all the recovered property has 
since been restored to its owners according to 
the orders passed by the courts concerned. 
However, in some of the cases, the property 
which is to be exhibited in the court during 
trial, has not yet been restored to the owners. 
The same will be restored to them on 
the decision of the cases or on superdari, as 
and when the oiders arc received from the 
courts concerned. 

Construction of more Jails in Delhi 

2194. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether there is heavy rush of prison- 
hers in the Delhi Central Jail, Tihar and that 
there are many irregularities being committed 
there ; 

(b) whether Government propose to 
construct some more jails in the Capital ; 
and 

(c) if so, where these jails are proposed 
to be located and when the land for the pur- 
pose is likely to be allotted ? 



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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. Some irregu- 
larities have been noticed. 

(b) and (c). There is a proposal to cons- 
truct one District Jail and two sub-jails. 
However, no final decision has yet been taken 
about their location. 

Working of Mills under Government 
Control 

2195. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total number of mills other than 
textile mills that are now functioning under 
Government control, fully or partially, for the 
last five years ; 

(b) in how many of tfiese mills the pro- 
duction could be augmented during the said 
period and what modernisation could be 
brought about by Government in these mills and 
the amount of money spent on this account ; 

(c) the nature of management improve- 
ment that was carried out in these mills ; 
and 

(d) whether Government have evolved 
any common pattern for staff policy for 
better efficiency in running these institutions 
and if so, the salient features thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) to (d). The information is being collected 
and will he placed on the Table of the 
House. 

Shortage of Steel In Wagon Industry 

2196. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 

JHUNWALA : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state i 

(a) whether the wagon making industry 
has resented the decision of Government to 
convert part of facilities available in the 
Railway work-shops for manufacture of 
wagons ; 

(b) whether the industry has pointed 
out that the supply was hampered due to 


shortage in supply of steel and also arratic 
supply orders which are sent in piecemeal ; 
and 

(c) if so, whether Government have 
assessed the number of wagons that can be 
produced in railway workshops and stream- 
lined the process of placing orders with the 
industry to help them achieve better 
results ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) Government have not taken any deci- 
sion to convert part of facilities available in 
the railway workshops for manufacture of 
wagons. 

(b) The wagon buildeis have been 
quoting shortage of steel as one of the reasons 
for low production. 

(c) The Ministry of Railways have decid- 
ed that wagon building will be continued 
only in three workshops. The 1972-7 5 target 
for these three workshops is 2,860 units in 
terms of four wheelers. 

The wagon orders are placed with the 
wagon industry on an annual basis and as 
far as possible they are oidered in bulk, which 
will facilitate the wagon builders m their 
planning. 

U. P. Land Ceilings Bill 

2197. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether Uttar Pradesh Government 
have referred to the Centre the question of le- 
gality of the provision of its Land Ceilings Bill 
giving retrospective effect to it in the light of 
Supreme Court ruling striking down certain 
provisions of the Kerala Land Reforms Act ; 
and 

(b) if so, the main points thereof and the 
reaction of Central Government thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI- 
NISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. 
MOHSIN) : (a) The Government of Uttar 
Pradesh have sought inclusion of the U.P. Im- 
position of Ceiling on Land Holdings (Amend- 
ment) Bill, 1972, in the Ninth Schedule of the 
Constitution. 

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Review of Cases of Convicts sentenced 
for life Imprisonment, in Delhi 

2198. SH1U ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased state : 

(a) whether the Revising Board of Delhi 
Administration which reviews the cases of con- 
victs sentenced for life imprisonment with a 
view to releasing them, meets twice a year 
in the months of February and August ; 

(b) whether it has met during this year 
and if not, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) when the Board is likely to meet ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI- 
NISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. 
MOHSIN) : (a) The Revising Board meets 
twice a year but not necessarily in the months 
of February and August. 

(b) and (c) The Board has not met so far 
this year because some members of the Board, 
who were foimeily members of the Mctiopoli- 
tan Council, did not get elected to the new 
Council The Revising Boaid lias been recons- 
tituted recently and is likely to meet during 
this month. 

Development in Hill Districts of Assam 

2199. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI: Will the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state 

(a) whether Government have provided 
any extra fund for the developmental activi- 
ties in the two Hill Distiicts of Assam namely, 
Mikir Hills district and North Cachar Hills 
District , 

(b) if so, the amount provided for the 
years 1970-71 and 1971-72; and 

(c) if not, will the Government consider 
the cases of these two Hill districts to provide 
special fund for development works as these 
two Districts are very backward in comparison 
to other Hill areas of the North Eastern Re- 
gion ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
DHARIA) : (a) In allocating Central assistance 
foi financing the Fourth Plan of Assam State 
which then included Mikir Hill District, Ca- 
char Hill District, Shillong Municipal area and 
the cantonment and also present Meghalaya 
State and the Union Territory of Mizoram, the 

development requirements and special prob- 


lems of these areas were kept in view for 
which due weightage was accorded. 

(b) and (c). The information regarding 
amounts provided in 1970-71 and 1971-72 for 
these two Hill Districts in the present Assam 
State is not available with the Government of 
India. The Government of Assam have been 
requested to furnish the required information, 
which when received will be laid on the Table 
of the House. 

Annual Plan for Assam for 1972-73 

2200. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state ; 

(a) the financial assistance demanded by 
the Assam Government to implement the an- 
nual plan for 1972-73; and 

(b) the decision taken by the Planning 
Commission thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
DHARIA) : (a) and (b). For the State Plan 
1972-73, the Government of Asasm demanded 
Central assistance of Rs. 45.41 crores to imple- 
ment the Plan proposals amounting to Rs. 
50.61 crores which included certain unspecified 
outlays for areas which now form the Union 
Territory of Mizoram since 21 1 1972. On the 
basis of the assessment of State's contribution 
and the resources availability at the Centre, an 
outlay of Rs. 43 crores was approved to be 
financed as under: 

(Rs. crores) 

Central assistance 35.46 

State resources 7.54 

Total: 43 00 

The approved outlay of Rs. 43 crores in- 
cludes Rs. 2.75 crorc? for the Union Territory 
of Mizoram, 

Copper Plate Awards for Political Suffer- 
ers from Assam 

2201. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the names of political sufferers from 
Assam selected for the Copper Plate awards 
on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of 
Indian Independence ; 

(b) the criteria and procedure followed 
for such selection ; 

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sufferers have been selected from Assam for 
the said Copper Plate awards although there 
are large number of eligible political sufferers 
in the State ; and 

(d) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) to (d). Tamrapatras are to 
be presented at ceremonies held from month 
to month throughout the 25th Jayanti Year to 
all those who had undergone imprisonment for 
six months in the cause of freedom. The total 
list for Assam is therefore still being prepared 
by the Assam Government. 

The first of these ceremonies field on 
15 8.1972 was limited to only 1,000 freedom 
fighters from all over the country. The list 
of those from Assam who were invited to the 
fiist ceremony is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT. 
3393/72], It is based upon selections made by 
the Assam Government, in the light of the 
criteria laid down by the Government of 
India. 

Ordinance for take over of Educational 
Institutions run by Certain Communities 
in Kerala 

2202. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Kerala Government have 
approached the Centre on promulgation of an 
Ordiancc by State Government to enable it 
to take over the educational institutions run 
by certain communities in Kerala, as manage- 
ments of these institutions refuse to re open 
them, resulting in a large number of students 
being denied the educational facilities ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Central Govern- 
ment and the circumstances that led to the 
managements to close down the institutions ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). The Govern- 
ment of Kerala have forwarded for instructions 
of the President, the Kerala Private Colleges 
(Regulation of Management) Ordinance, 1972 
which seeks to empower the State Govern- 
ment to take over the management of the 
private Colleges in Kerala temporarily. The 
draft Ordinance is under consideration. 


Setting up of Special Cell for Atomic 
Minerals 

2203. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH : Will the 
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to set 
up a special cell for coordinating and investi- 
gating atomic minerals in the country ; and 

(b) whether the results of primary inves- 
tigations are promising ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): 
(a) No, Sir. The Atomic Minerals Divisions 
of the Department of Atomic Energy is res- 
ponsible for survey, prospecting and explora- 
tory development of atomic minerals which 
are required for the atomic energy pro- 
gramme. 

(b) Yes, Sir. The details are given in the 
Annual Reports ol the Department of Atomic 
Energy which are cii eulated to the Honouiable 
Members and copies of which are available 
in the Parliament Library. 

Programme for providing Self-employ- 
ment to Educated Persons in Rural Sector 

2204. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state 
whether a new programme is proposed to be 
launched for providing self-employment to 
educated peisons in the luial secloi ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARlA) : There is no specific 
programme under consideration of Government 
for providing self-employment to educated 
persons in the rural sector. However, the 
following schemrs initiated by Government 
of India in 1971-72 arc likely to provide op- 
portunities for self-crapJoymrnt to educated 
persons in the rural sector : 

(i) Setting up of agro service centres, 

(ii) Financial assistance to entrepreneurs 
for setting up of industries. 

Zoological Survey of India 

2205. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

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the recommendations of Shri Jacob Kurian, 
Member of Indian National Commission on 
the Zoological Survey of India ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMNET AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI- 
AM) : (a) No. Sir, the Government are 
not aware of any recommendation made by 
Shri Jacob Kurian on the Zoological Survey 
of India. 

(b) Does not arise . 

Shifting of the Office of Zoological Survey 
of India from Calcutta 

220b SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister ^f SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) vvhethci the Government arc aware 
of the shifting of Offices of Zoological Survey 
of India fiom Calcutta ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for shifting those 
ofiiccs ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM): 
(a) No, Sir. Theic is no proposal for the 
shifting of offices ot the Zoological Servey 
of India fiom Calcutta. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

Bihar Scheme for Unemployed 

2207. SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH : Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Bihar Government has pre- 
pared a special scheme for providing employ- 
ment to about 64,000 educated, skilled and 
unskilled men in the State if so, the total 
amount lequired for the purpose , 

(b) whether the Centre has agreed to give 
some financial help to the States for imple- 
mentation of the scheme ; and 

(c) whether some other States have also 
formulated such schemes ; and if so, to what 
extent Centre has agreed to give financial 
help to these States for implementation of 
the schemes ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
HHARIA) : (a) to fc). A statement is laid on 


the Table of the House. [Placed in Librat y. See 
No. LT. 3394/72] 

Big Powers behind Agitation against 
Simla Agieement 

2208. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDD Y: 

SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 

MALIK : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the news item which appeared 
in the ‘Tribune’ on 10th July, 1972 captioned 
'Big Powers behind agitation against Simla 
Agreement’ ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 

F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

• 

(b) Government have no other informa- 
tion in this regard. 

Criteria for Promotion of Class IV Staff 
as L«D.Cs. 

2209. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the PRIME MINISTER be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of qualified Class 
IV Employees in the Government of India arc 
waiting for their chances in the Lower Divi- 
sion Clerks grade ; and 

(b) if so 3 the number of such employees 
and the criteria Government have adopted to 
promote class IV employees as Lower Division 
Clerks in the Ministries and other offices ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 
(b). Class III is not a promotion post for 
Class IV employees as the nature of duties 
of the two posts arc altogether different and 
as the experience in the Glass IV posts would 
not be of any value in the L.D.Cs. post. 
However, with a view to giving an opportu- 
nity to educationally qualified Class IV em- 
ployees for entry into Class III posts, a num- 
ber of concessions have been provided under 
which such Class IV employees can register 
their names with the Employment Exchange for 
Class III posts and on nominations by the 
Employment Exchange, they can be consi- 
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giving weightagc of age relaxation to the 
extent of their service in Glass IV ; they can 
also be considered for appointment in Class 

III in the offices in which they are working 
even though their names may not be amongst 
those sponsored by Employment Exchange. 
In addition, reservations have also been pro- 
vided for educationally qualified Class IV em- 
ployees to the extent of 10% of the vacancies 
in the post of Lower Division Clerks to be 
filled on the basis of a test confined to Class 

IV employees who have put in at least five 
years of service in a Class IV post and who 
are 45 years of age (50 years for Scheduled 
Castes and Scheduled Tribes). The scheme 
is not applicable to Railways. Post and Tele- 
graphs and the Indian Audit and Accounts 
Department who have their own schemes for 
appointment of their Class IV employees to 
Class III posts. 

According to the information available, 
599 Class IV employees workirg in the Minis- 
tries/Departments applied for admission to 
the Restricted Examination held in April, 
1970 for appointment against 10% reserved 
vacancies, out of whom 341 were admitted to 
the Examination and 91 of them were finally 
appointed as Lower Division Clerks. Similarly 
81 and 65 Class IV employees were appointed 
as Lower Division Clerks on ihe results of the 
Restricted Examinations held in December, 
1970 and June, 1971, respectively. Thus out 
of a total of 599 Class IV employees in the 
Ministries/Departments, who claimed eligibi- 
lity for appointment to Class III posts, a total 
of 237 have so far been appointed as Lower 
Division Clerks. Only 285 Class IV employees 
working in the Ministries/Departments have 
applied for, admission to the Restricted Exami- 
nation held in June, 1972 and it is expected 
that in the years to come, the educationally 
qualified Class IV employees would have rea- 
sonable prospects for appointment to 
Class III posts. 

Arbitration on D.A. Formula 

2210. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have conceded 
the demand of its employees that the dearness 
allowance determining formula should be 
arbitrable if differences arose between the 
parties ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 


MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 
(b). The Staff Side of the National Council 
set up under the J. C. M. Scheme had request- 
ed that the formula for determining D.A. 
should be revised so as to : 

(1) reduce the time factor for determin- 
ing the average index increase from 
12 months to three months ; 

(2) reduce the points factor from 10 points 
average to 5 points average ; 

(3) calculate ihe quantum factor on the 
basis of full neutralisation of the pay 
of every single employee in all the 
categories, of Class IV and Class III 
staff ; and 

(1) extend the Dearness allowance to 
cover all employees receiving a basic 
pay up to Rs. 1,000/- per month on a 
tapering off basis. 

2. As no agreement was possible in res- 
pect of this demand, a disagreement was 
recorded at the National Council meeting held 
on the 29th and 30th May, 1970 On a point 
raised by the Staff Side about the arbitrability 
of the D. A. determining formula, Govern- 
ment have decided that the specific demand 
of the Staff Side, referred to in para 1 above, 
would be treated as arbitrable. 

Farmers Agitation in Tamil Nadu 

2211. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK : 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACH ARYYA : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Chief Minis- 
ter has written to her about the farmers* agi- 
tation and their demands ; 

(b) whether the demands of the farmers 
ran counter, to the Centre’s policy in this 
regard ; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of the Central 
Government thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. 
H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) At a meeting of the National Develop- 
ment Council held in last May, there was 
general agreement that it was necessary to 
explore all possibilities of raising additional 

resources for the Fifth Five Year Plan. Tax 



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measures relatable to entries in List II of the 
Seventh Schedule of the Constitution are, 
however, entirely for the State Governments 
to consider. 

(c) The Government of India and the 
Planning Commission have been anxious that 
State Governments should raise additional 
resources for financing their development plans 
in the same way as the Government of India 
had been raising additional resources for the 
development of the country. Since the need 
for raising such resources had never been in 
question, misgivings, if any, regarding specific 
methods for raising such resources should be 
dispelled in a democratic way. 

Commission of Inquiry on Larger Indus- 
trial Houses of Tatas, Birlas 
and Sahu Jains 

2212. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Commission of Inquiry 
on Large Industrial Houses has been able to 
finalise any case so far ; and 

(b) if not, the probable time by which the 
concerns of Tatas, Birlas and Sahu Jains will 
be examined ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) and (b). The investigations including 
those relating to concerns of Tatas, Birlas 
and Sahu Jains, by the Commission of Inquiry 
on Large Industrial Houses are in progress. 
On the request of the Commission, the time 
for submission of its report to the Government 
has been extended for another year with 
effect from 18-2-1972. 

Distribution of Tamra Patras on tbs 
Occasion of 25th Anniversary of 
Indian Independence 

2213. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state whether ‘Tamra Patras’ and reception 
will be given on the occasion of 25th Anni- 
versary Indian Independence to leaders, parti- 
cipants and ex-convicts connected with (i) 
Gadar Party, (ii) First World War Indo- 
German Conspiracy Case, (iii) Kakori Conspi- 
racy case, (iv) Chittagong Armoury Raid case, 
(v) Labang (Darjeeling) Shooting case, (vi) 
Gommilla DM Shooting case, (vii) Interpro- 
vinciai Conspiracy cases, (viii) other conspiracy 


cases connected with their revolutionary strug- 
gle, (ix) Andaman Cellular jail prisoners, (x) 
ex-convicts who were given life imprisonments 
in connection with revolutionary activities 
and (xi) heroes of August Revolution, parti- 
cularly of .Balia, Behar, Midnapur, Balurghat 
and Sitara ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : All freedom fighters who have 
undergone imprisonment in the cause of the 
freedom of the country for a period of not 
less than six months are eligible for Tamra 
Patras. State Governmcnts/Union Territory 
Administrations were asked to compile lists 
of freedom fighters on that basis. 

Promotion of Selection Grade Stenogra- 
phers to the Posts of Under Secretaries 

2214. SHRI S. M BANERJEE : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to refer to 
the reply given* to Starred Question No. 710 
on 5th May, 1972 and state : 

(a) the number of Selection Grade Steno- 
graphers promoted to the posts of Under 
Secretary during the last three years ; 

(b) the number of Section Officers pro- 
moted to the posts of Under Secretary during 
the same period ; 

(c) whether there is only one seniority list 
for both the categories viz , Selection Grade 
Stenographers and Section Officers ; and 

(d) if not, the reason therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Nil. 
The Selection Grade of the Central Secretariat 
Stenographers* Service was introduced from 
the 1st August, 1969, when the Service was 
reorganised, and the Selection Grade Steno- 
graphers have come within the field of consi- 
deration for promotion to the Grade of Under 
Secretary only this year. Prior to 1st August 
1969, Stenographers Grade I were eligible 
for promotion as Under Secretaries through 
the Section Officers’ Grade. 

(b) 220 (including 9 officers who had 
been promoted to the Section Officers Grade 
from the erstwhile Grade I of the Central 
Secretariat Stenographers Service). 

(c) A combined seniority list of Section 
Officers of the Central Secretariat Service 
and Selection Grade Officers of the Central 



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Secretariat Stenographers Service is prepared 
in accordance with the Central Secretariat 
Service (Promotion to Grade I and Selection 
Grade) Regulations, 1964 for the purpose of 
preparing a Select List of officers approved 
for promotion as Under Secretaries. 

(d) Does not arise. 

Sales Tax on Silk Fabrics 

22 J 5. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of HOME 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Delhi Hindustani Mer- 
cantile Association has urged the withdrawal 
of the notification imposing Sales tax on Pure 
Silk febrics ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THli DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). Govern- 

ment have received a representation from the 
Delhi Hindustani Mercantile Association, 
Delhi in which the Association has requested 
for the withdrawal of sales tax on pure silk 
fabrics. ‘Silk Fabrics)* was covered by the 
scheme of levy of additional excise duty in 
lieu of sales tax. With the withdrawal of 
additional excise duty on silk fabrics, the 
latter was also deleted from the list of declared 
goods. Thus States became entitled to levy 
sales tax thereon. In the meeting of the 
Regional Council for Sales Tax for the 
Northern Zone, a decision was taken to impose 
sales tax on ‘Silk Fabrics*. The imposition of 
Sales Tax in Delhi is in pursuance of this 
recommendation. Since the imposition, re- 
presentations have been received from the 
traders in Delhi against the levy. It has been 
decided to place the matter again before the 
Regional Council for consideration of the 
matter in the light of these representations. 
The next meeting is likely to be held some- 
times after September, 1972. 

Reservation of Posts for Ex-servicemen 

and Dependants of killed Personnel 

2217. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether twenty seven and a half 
percent of the vacancies in class IV posts and 
17 £ per cent in class III posts are going to 


be reserved for ex-servicemen and dependants 
of those killed in action ; and 

(b) if so, upto what date the reservations 
will remain in force ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) 
Reservations have been provided for ex- 
Servicemen at 10% of the vacancies in each 
of the categories of Class III posts and of 
such posts in each Class III service, and 20% 
of the vacancies in each of the categories of 
Class IV posts and of such posts in Class IV 
service. Orders also provide that the per- 
centages of reservations for ex-Servicemen in 
a category of posts shall be increased or 
decreased in any one recruitment year to the 
extent to which the total number of vacancies 
reserved for ex-Servicemen, Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes (including the carried 
forward reservations for Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes) and for any other 
categories taken together falls short or is in 
excess, as the case may be, of 50% of the 
vacancies in that category of posts filled in 
that year. No reservations have been provided 
in Class III and Class IV posts for dependents 
of those killed in action. However, under 
the existing instructions, two members each of 
the ramifies of Defence Services personnel 
killed in action can be appointed to vacancies 
in Glass III and Class IV posts filled by direct 
recruitment without registration at the Em- 
ployment Exchange. 

(b) The orders of reservations for ex- 
Servicemen will remain in force up to 30th 
June, 1974. 

Development of a Process for manu- 
facture of Tartaric Acid from Tamarind 
Leaves by Regional Research Laboratory, 
Jorhat 

2218. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH i Will 
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Regional Research 
Laboratory, Jorhat has developed a process 
for the manufacture of tartaric acid from 
tamarind leaves ; 

(b) whether tamarind leaves arc available 
in plenty in South India ; and 

(c) if so, whether Government are 

contemplating to exploit the tame on 



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commercial basis, and the decision taken* in 
the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- 
MANIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) It is reported, in some areas, there is 
a possibility to collect the leave? in reasonable 
quantity. 

(c) The National Research Development 
Corporation (NRDC) is negotiating with 
interested parties for commercial exploitation 
of the process. 

Export of Argon Gas by Indian Oxygen 

2219. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- 
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the reasons why Indian Oxygen has 
been permitted to export Argon gas while 
there is shortage within the country ; 

(b) the name of the undertaking which is 
the largest manufacturer of Argon gas within 
the country ; and 

(c) the steps Government are taking to 
increase the production of Argon gas ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) Export of Aigon gas by Messis Indian 
Oxygen Limited was started in 1968 at a time 
when the production of the gas in the country 
was in excess of the local demand and great 
emphasis has been laid on cxpoit drive in as 
many industries as possible. Recently, on 
receipt of reports regarding shortage of 
Argon gas Messrs Indian Oxygen Limited 
have been asked to go slow on their export 
commitments. 

(b) Messrs Indian Oxygen Limited, 
Calcutta. 

(c) Besides stepping up the production of 
Argon gas at the Trombay Unit of the 
Fertilizer Corporation of India, Government 
have issued letters of intent for creation of 
additional capacity for the manufacture of 
Argon gas. Certain existing units have also 
been assisted in organising the recovery of 

Argon from their air separation plants. 


Mechanised Brick Plants set up in the 
Country 

2220. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH i 
SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the .Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- 
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the mechanised brick plants 
set up in the country for manufacturing bricks 
are running in loss ; 

(b) if so, names of such plants in the 
country which are running in loss ; and 

(c) whether the production of these plants 
have also gone down ; and the steps taken or 
proposed to be taken to improve the draw 
backs of the plants ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIQDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) to (c). ‘Bricks’ is not an industry included 
in the Schedule to the Industries (Develop- 
ment and Regulation) Act, 1951 and, therefore, 
not all units report their production to the 
Government of India. However, according 
to the production figures reported, there has 
not been fall in production of building bricks 
by the mechanised process. 

A mechanised brick unit set up by the 
National Buildings Construction Corporation, 
has been incurring losses practically since 
inception in 1967-68. A number of expert 
studies were carried out for improving the 
working of the plant. A Committee set up in 
December, 1971 submitted its report in 
March, 1972, and its recommendations arc 
under examination by the Ministry of Works 
and Housing. 

Report by the Scientific and Technical 
Personnel Department of CL S. I. R. on 
Unemployed Graduates 

222 1 . SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE : 
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a report of the study made 
by the Scientific and Technical Personnel 
Department of the Council of Scientific and 
Industrial Research in regard to unemployed 
and under employed graduates and those 
graduates who have abandoned efforts for 
employment has since been received ; and 

(b) if so, broad outlines of the report 

and the action taken thereon f 



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THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) The Division for Scientific and 
Technical Personnel of Council of Scientific 
and Industrial Research (CSIR) carried out a 
study of unemployment amongst Technical 
personnel and other graduates in the country 
on the basis of the data collected in the 1971 
Census Under employment or the number 
of graduates who had abandoned efforts for 
employment were not included in the study. 

(b) 5,79,858 persons with at least a first 
degree in Science, Agriculture, Arts or Com- 
merce or at least a diploma in Engineering, 
Technology or Medicine were estimated to be 
unemployed in April, 1971. They constitute 
19.1% or about one fifth of the estimated 
total stock in these categoiies. Out of these, 
1,58,574 persons were not looking for em- 
ployment ; majority of them (1,27,644) were 
women. Reason why they uvere not looking 
for employment is not known. 

The study revealed that among the pro- 
fessional qualification holders medical doctors 
and veterinarians have the lowest percentage 
of unemployment i.e. about 5 to 6 per cent. 
Post-Graduates in Agriculture comes next with 
about 8% of unemployment. Graduates in 
Engineering and Technology as well as in 
Agricultural Science and Post-Graduates in 
Science have a little higher rate of unemploy- 
ment ranging from 11 to 15%. 

Amongst all the categories, the highest 
unemployment is among the first graduates in 
Science i.e . about 25%. For Arts graduates 
(first degree only) it is nearly 24%. 

The Government of India is concerned 
about the unemployment amongst educated 
persons and have already taken some steps. 
An “Expert Committee on Unemployment” 
has been appointed to assess the extent of 
unemployment and to suggest remedial 
measures. A sum of Rs. 50 crores has been 
allocated in the 4th Plan for employment of 
educated unemployeds, of which, an amount 
of Rs. 20 crores has been allocated in this 
year’s budget. An amount of Rs. 27 crores 
has been earmarked by the Planning Com- 
mission for allocation to State Governments 
for formulating special employment pro- 
grammes for which the States will have to 
contribute another 27 crores. Nationalised 
Banks also render financial help to enterprising 
unemployed presons. Planning Commission 
and the State Governments arc also consider- 
ing the problems of unemployment. 


Besides these, schemes like Scientists' Pool, 
Research Fellowships, Supernumerary appoint- 
ments are in operation to help the Scientific 
and Technical Personnel, in particular. 

Survey of Unemployed Engineers 

2222. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether Government have made a 
survey of the unemployed engineers on the 
basis of 1971 Census; and 

(b) if so, the main points thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. 
H. MOHSIN) : (a) In the main schedule 
which was canvassed on universal basis at the 
1971 Census, no question on unemployment 
was asked. 

However, along with the main schedule an 
ancillary special schedule called “Degree Hol- 
ders & Technical Personnel Cards’* was can- 
vassed by self-enumeration method among Deg- 
ree Holders & Technical Diploma or Certifi- 
cate Holders only. The coverage of this an- 
cillary schedule cannot be said to be compre- 
hensive. One of the data items of this special 
schedule related to unemployed engineers. 

(b) The main points of the data-item men- 
tioned in (a) above are : — 

(i) Number of unemployed engineers by 
sex break up with — 

(a) Degree level and above. 

(b) Diploma level, in each of the en- 
gineering subject fields viz., (i) Agri- 
cultural engineering, (ii) Architecture/ 
Town & Country Planning, (iii) Civil, 

• (iv) Electrical, (v) Elcctronic/Tclc- 
communication Radio, (vi) Mechani- 
cal, (viij Chemical, (viii) Mining, 
(ix) Metrology, (x) Auto Engineering, 
(xi) Aero Engineering, (xii) Public 
Health/Sanilary Enginecring/Produc- 
tivc/ Industrial Engineering, (xiii)Othcr 
Engineering and Technology. 

(it) Number of unemployed engineers try- 
ing for a job ; and 

(iii) Number of unemployed engineers not 
trying for a job. 

Provisional figures of unemployed engineers 
according to the al>ove characteristics are given 
in the Statement laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT-3395/72]. 



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Nepali Language speaking People in India 

2223. SHRI RATTANLAL BRAHMAN s 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state the number of Nepali langua- 
ge-speaking people in India on the basis of 
1971 Census? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. 
H. MOHSIN): The 1971 Census data on 
mother- tongue is still under compilation and 
therefore the requisite information is not avail- 
able at present. 

Memorandum submitted by M. Pb. re- 
presenting Backward Areas 

2224. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI RE- 
DDY: Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether at the end of the last Session, 
a memorandum was submitted to the Prime Mi- 
nister by the Members of Parliament repre- 
senting chronically backward areas ; and 

(b) if so, the action taken thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The memorandum is under examina- 
tion. 

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Body of Experts on Utilization of News- 
print 

2228. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government propose to set up 
an impartial body of experts to advise both the 
Government and the newspaper industry on 
the question of supply, demand, requirements 
and utilisation of newsprint ; and 

(b) if not, how Government piopose to 
settle the issue? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) and (b). There is already a newsprint Ad- 
visory Committee, set up by the Ministry of 
Information and Broadcasting, to advise the 
Government on question of policy relating im- 
port and allocation of news-print and printing 
machinery for newspapers and other connected 
matters. There is no proposal to set up any 
other body of experts. 

Self-Sufficiency In Crucial Sectors of 
Economy 

2229. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will 
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have made any 
fresh efforts to achieve self-sufficiency in the 
crucial sectors of the Indian economy in the 
quickest possible time ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken in that direc- 
tion ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Special pro- 
grammes are included in the annual plans for 
promoting the objective of self-sufficiency 
through larger domestic out put and faster 
impoit substitution. The Annual Plan for 
1972-73 incorporates special programmes for 
the improvement in the output of raw-cotton, 
raw-jute and oilseeds in the held of agricul- 
tural production. The programmes for in- 
dustrial production make additional provi- 
sion for creation of capacity in aluminium 


and copper, and larger allocations for oil 
exploration and petroleum refining as also 
for better utilisation of existing capacity in 
steel and fertilisers. Provision has also been 
made for initiating work on modernisation of 
jute and cotton textile industries and removal 
of capacity constraint in other export- oriented 
industries. 

The National Committee on Science and 
Technology investigating the scope for import 
substitution by improving technology and 
productivity of mining and manufactures 
producing machinery and equipment, chemi- 
cals, non-ferrous metals, special alloys, fuels 
and minerals. An action Committee for pub- 
lic sector undertakings is engaged in formu- 
lating concrete recommendations enterprise 
by enterprise for improving capacity utilisa- 
tion. Fuither, industry wise studies are being 
undertaken both in the piivate and public 
sectors for identifying production bottlenecks 
and suggesting measures to remove them. 

Certificates of Eligibility for Appoint- 
ment to Civil Services issued to Persons 
other than Indians 

2230. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state ; 

(a) How many certificates of eligibility 
for appointment to the Civil Services and 
post under the Union Government have been 
issued to persons othei than the Indian 
Citizens in the last three years ; 

(b) to which countries and which na- 
tionality such persons belong ; 

(c) the considerations which weigh for 
the giant of such ceitificates of eligibility ; 
and 

(d) whether any of those persons has 
been found engaged in subversive activities 
during the Indo-Pak wai ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 
(b). During the period from the 1st May, 
1969 to the 30th April, 1972, 31 certificates 
of eligibility for appointment to posts under 
the Government of India were issued in 
favour of persons other than Indian citizens. 
Of these, 25 were from Nepal, 4 from Pakis- 
tan, 1 from the Burma and 1 from Kenya. 

(c) Government’s policy is, as a rule, 

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civil posts under Government. However, 
exceptions have been made in the case of 
citizens of certain neighbouring countries and 
also persons of Indian origin, who have 
migrated from certain foreign countries with 
the intention of permanently settling in India. 
Before the certificates of eligibility are issued 
in their cases, the appointing authorities 
satisfy themselves that the candidates are 
suitable for appointment in all respects. 

(d) While no such specific instance has 
come to notice so far, the position is being 
verified with the concerned authorities. 

Recovery of Arms and Ammunition from 
Dacoits Surrendered Recently 

2231. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the total number of arms and ammu- 
nition recovered from the dacoits who recent- 
ly sui tendered to the peace Mission in 
Madhya Pradesh ; 

(b) the number of prohibited arms among 
them ; and 

(c) the approximate cost of the arms 
and ammunition recovered fiom thrse daco- 
its ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F H MOHSIN) : (a) 271 arms and about 
18000 cartridges were recovered from the 
dacoits who have surrendered between the 
middle of April to the end of July, 1972. 

(b) and (c). The information is being 
collected and will be laid on the Table of 
the House. 

Inter State Transfers of I. A. S. and I. P. S. 

Officers 

2232. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Administrative 
Service and Indian Police Service Odficers, 
whose services .have been allocated to the 
various States and Union Territories, are not 
allowed inter-State transfers ; if so, the rea- 
sons therefor ; 

(b) whether any proposal is under consi- 
deration of Government to allow these Offi- 
cers to be transferred from one State to 

another ; and 


(c) if so, the outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) to 

(c). Under the rules governing the manage- 
ment of the cadres of the Indian Administra- 
tive Service and the Indian Police Service- 
members of these two All-India Services can 
be transferred from one Cadre to another by 
the Central Government with the concurrence 
of the State Governments concerned. Ac- 
cording to the general policy of the Govern- 
ment of India, such inter-cadre transfers are 
made only in administrative/public interest 
or in exceptional circumstances on personal 
grounds. 

Issue of Licences to Agro-Industries Cor- 
porations Punjab and Haryana 

2233. SHRI *SAT PAL KAPUR: Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of licences issued by the 
Central Government to the Industrial Deve- 
lopment Corporation and Agro-Industries 
Corporations of Punjab and Haryana during 
the last three years ; 

(b) the number of licences actually uti- 
lised and the number of factories set up by 
them, separately ; 

(c) the number of licences still pending 
unutilised with these Corporations ; and 

(d) whether Government propose to fix 
some time limit for early utilisation of these 
licences ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) Five including the licences issued to 
M/s. Punjab Tractors Limited, M/s. Punjab 
Breweries Limited and Haryana Dairy Deve- 
lopment Corporation. 

(b) and (c). These licences are in various 
stages of implementation as it normally takes 
2-3 years for an industry to start production. 

(d) The conditions attached to an in- 
dustrial licence usually stipulate a time-limit 
of 12 months within which an industry should 
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Issue of Licences for Setting up Indus- 
tries in Backward Areas 

2234. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of industrial licences 
issued to the different parties in India for the 
setting of industries in backward areas during 
the last three years ; 

(b) the number of industries set up so far 
as a lesult of these licences during the same 
period and the nature of industries thus set up ; 

(c) whether Government propose to fix 
some time-limit within which an industry 
should be set up after the granting of 
licence ; and 

(d) if so, the time-limit proposed ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) 89 loi Substantial Expansion, New 

Undertakings or New Articles and 63 for 
Carrying-on-Business. 

(b) Reports in respect of 34 industries 
having been set up have been received so far. 
These include metallurgical industries, boilers 
and steam generating plants, electrical 
equipment, telecommunications, transporta- 
tion, chemicals (other than fertilizers), food 
processing industries, vegetable oils and vanas- 
pali, glass and ceramics. 

(c) and (d). The conditions attached to 
an industrial licence usually stipulate a time- 
limit of 12 months within which an industry 
should be established. 

Medico-Industrial Television designed 
by the Central Scientific Instruments 
Organisation 

2235. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : 

SHRI VEKARIA : 

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a new medical-industrial 
television has been designed and developed 
by the Central %jcntific Instruments Organi- 
sation ; if so, the main features of the new 
Television ; 

(b) the cost of production of the new 
equipment ; and 


(c) how does it compare with the cost of 
the imported model ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) The Central Scientific 

Instruments Organisation (CSIO) has design- 
ed and developed a multi-channel display 
unit for monitoring and display of a 
variety of clinical and industrial obser- 
vations, such as electro-cardiogram, tempera- 
ture, pulse rate, respiration, blood Pressure, 
fetal heart beats etc., as also multi-channel 
display of flow, pressure, vibrations and 
turbulence etc. 

(b) and (c). The CSIO Chandigarh have 
intimated that the cost of each such unit 
would be around Rs. 5,000 and that the price 
of the equivalent imported unit would be of 
the order of Rs. 10,000 to Rs. 20,000 each. 

Newsreel Containing Pictures of Office 
of Tamil Daily’s after it was Ransacked 

2236. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the Films Division had taken 
pictures of the Office of the leading Tamil 
daily ‘Alai Oi«ii* immediately after it was 
ransacked by a group of persons on 16th 
June, 1972 , 

(b) whether the newsreel containing these 
pictures was withdrawn from cinema houses in 
Madras after it was shown only for one day, 
if so, the reasons thereof ; and 

(c) the person who ordered its with- 
drawal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The portion of the con- 
cerned newsreel, covering the attack on 
“Alai Osai” was withdrawn from screening in 
Tamil Nadu State, by the local representa- 
tive of the Films Division, at the instance of 
the State Government. 

Foreign Shares In Indian Telephone 
Industries 

2237. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Starred Question No. 980 on 24th 



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May, 1972 regarding foreign shares in I. T. I, 
and state : 

(a) whether Government have since taken 
any decision regarding the shares held by the 
foreign companies in the Indian Telephone 
Industries Limited ; and 

(b) if so, the nature of decision taken ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
and (b). The matter is still under Govern- 
ment’s consideration. 

Letter allegedly written by Prime 
Minister to Chief Ministers of States 
about Humane Treatment to Suspected 
Nazalites 

2238. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Prime Miniter has 
written a letter recently to the Chief Ministers 
of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Kerala, 
Orissa, Punjab and West Bengal, urging 
them to take steps so that the Suspected 
Naxalites arc given humane treatment ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of State Govern- 
ment thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) The Prime Minister 
had on the 1st May, 1972, written to the 
Chief Ministers of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, 
West Bengal, Bihar, Orissa, Punjab and 
Kerala that only imaginative and humane 
treatment of persons suspected of involve- 
ment in Naxalite activities can help to end the 
recrudescence of extremism. Certain concrete 
steps for the long term rehabilitation of these 
persons were also suggested. 

(b) In their replies, Chief Ministers of 
Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa and Punjab 
have expressed their agreement with the 
approach suggested by the Prime Minister 
and have informed that steps are being taken 
accordingly. Replies from the Chief Ministers 
of the remaining three States arc awaited. 

Manufacture of Precision Tools to colla- 
boration with Mitsubishi of Japan 

2239. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 


TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Mitsubishi Heavy Industries 
Limited, a Japanese Company, have signed 
a contract with an Indian Company to 
extend technical assistance in manufacturing 
and selling precision tools in India ; and 

(b) whether Government have given 
approval thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). M/s. S. R. P. Tools Ltd, 
Madras have signed a technical agreement 
with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd., 
Tokyo, Japan for the manufacture of cutting 
tools such as Hobs, Gear Shaper Cutters, 
Broaches and Shaving Cutters. The techni- 
cal collaboration agreement has been appro- 
ved by the Government. 

Development of Palamau (Bihar) 

2240. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the action taken by the Central 
Government for industrialisation of the indus- 
trially backward District of Palamau (Bihar) ; 

(b) whether no programme of industriali- 
sation of the District has so far materialised ; 
and 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). Palamau district of Bihar is one 
of the 225 districts in the country selected by 
the Planning Commission for grant of conce- 
ssional financial assistance from financial 
institutions to attract new industries to this 
district and also to encourage expansion or 
industries if already in existence in this 
district. 

Under the centrally sponsored scheme of 
Rural Industries Projects Programme, Palamau 
district has been selected as a RIP District 
under the second series of RIP Projects for 
the Fifth Plan. Detailed guidelines for conduc- 
ting industrial potential surveys and pre- 
paration of plan for industrial development 
have been issued. These preliminary works 
are expected to be completed by the end of 
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State Government for preliminary works for 

1972-73. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Information Centre for Bihar to be Started 
in New Delhi 

2241. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether it was decided that one 
Information Centre for Bihar will be started 
in New Delhi ; and 

(b) if so, the progress made in this 
regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). Some State Govern 
ments have set up Information Centres for 
themselves in Delhi. Government of India is 
not aware if Government of Bihar proposes to 
open one such. 

Plan for Development of Chhotanagpur 

2242. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Planning Commission has 
made any special plan for the development of 
Chhotanagpur ; 

(b) if so } the outlines thereof ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN 
DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The Planning Commi- 
ssion has not made any special Plan for the 
development of Chhotanagpur. Preparation 
of district /regional plan is primarily the respon- 
sibility of State Governments. A suggestion 
was, however, made to the Bihar Government 
that area plans should be prepared specially 
for the backward areas of Chhotanagpur and 
Santhal Parganas. The Planning Development 
Authority for the Chhotanagpur Division and 
the Santhal Parganas District specially set up 
by the State Government has decided to 
constitute a planning group for the purpose. 

Norms of Creadon of Division and Sub- 

Division in P & T Depar t ment 

2243. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minuter of COMMUNICATIONS 


be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
consideration of Government to bifurcate the 
existing Divisions and Sub-Divisions in the 
Postal, Telegraph and Traffic, Telegraph 
Engineering or RMS and create additional 
Sub-Divisions and if so, the main features 
therefor ; 

(b) whether Government are revising the 
norms of creation of sub-divisions and Divisions 
in the Posts and Telegraphs Department 
under Postal, RMS, Telegraph and Tele- 
communication Engineering arm ; 

(c) whether Government are considering 
to create separate Telegraph Engineering 
Division at Bhagalpur, Telegraph Engineering 
Sub-Division at Motihari, Additional Tele- 
phone Division under Telephone District, 
Patna and creation of separate RMS Division 
with Headquarters at Kiul or Bhagalpur ; 
and 

(d) if so, the period by which the propo- 
sals are expected to be finalised ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- 
CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Engineering Divisions/Sub-di visions and Tele- 
graphs Traffic Divisions arc bifurcated and 
Engineering Divisions/Sub-divisions and Tra- 
ffic Divisions formed at new Headquarters if 
and when work/load demands it. The norms for 
forming new Engineering Divisions/Sub- Divi- 
sions are (i) geographical continuity (ii) Com- 
munity of interests and (iii) minimum workloads 
prescribed for each, which depend upon the 
assets to be maintained. The formation of 
new Traffic Divisions depends on staff strength 
in Telegraph Offices. 

Postal and RMS Divisions and Sub- 
Divisions arc bifurcated as and when necessary 
on the basis of certain prescribed standards. 

(b) The question of revising the standards 
for Engineering Divisions/Sub-Divisions is 
under consideration at present. This job has 
been entrusted to S. I. U. 

While the question relating to the revision 
of norms for the postal Sub-division is under 
consideration, there is no proposal for re* 
examining the norms and currently in force 
for the formation of Postal and RMS Divi- 
sions. 

(c) and (d). There are no proposals at 
present to create a new separate Telegraph 
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additional Telephone Engineering Division 
under Patna Telephone District. The question 
of opening of a Telegraph Sub-Division at 
Motihari is under consideration and is expec- 
ted to be finalised within a month. 

There is no proposal under consideration to 
create a RMS Division at Kiul or Bhagalpur. 

Bokaro Steel City and Jamshedpur 
declared Industrial Towns 

2244. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Bokaro Steel City and 
Jamshedpur have been declared Industrial 
Towns for the purpose of construction of 
quarters on priority basis ; 

(b) whether Barauni-Begusarai area is 
also under consideration of Government for 
declaration as Industrial Towns ; 

(c) if not, the reason for differential treat- 
ment ; and 

(d) in case reply to part (b) is in affir- 
mative, the steps taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) to 
(d). Information is being collected and will 
be placed on the Table of the Sabha. 

P. and T. Service Unions Demands 

2245. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI s 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Service Unions in the 
Posts and Telegraphs Department have 
demanded for rationalisation of duties and 
cadres in the Telecommunication Wing of the 
Posts and Telegraphs Department ; 

(b) whether any meeting has taken place 
between Government and the Service Union 
on this subject and if so, what is the outcome 
and progress in this regard ; and 

(c) what would be the time limit by 
which the Posts and Telegraphs Board would 
fiudlise discussion and decision on rationali- 
sation scheme of the service Unions ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) Yes 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). Yes Sir. The case is under 
active consideration and is likely to be fina- 
lised soon. 


Expansion of Patna Auto Telephone 
Exchange 

2246. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether project and detailed estimate 
for expansion of capacity of Patna Auto Tele- 
phone Exchanges have been sanctioned, but 
the work is not being executed since the 
equipment has not been allotted to Patna 
Telephone District against the project sanc- 
tioned ; 

(b) whether there are subscribers in the 
waiting list at Patna and Telephone connec- 
tions are not being provided due to non-avail- 
ability of telephone capacity to meet the 
demands ; 

(c) whether the District Manager, Tele- 
phones, Patna has requested for early allot- 
ment of Telephorfe equipment in order to 
meet the demands, but his request has not so 
far been acceded to ; and 

(d) in case replies to (a) to (c) are in 
affirmative, the reason therefor and the diffi- 
culty of Government in allotting equipments 
during 1972-73 and whether Government 
propose to meet the demand in the near 
future and if so, when ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) A 
project Estimate for the crossbar exchange to 
serve the area of the existing Patna Main 
exchange has been sanctioned. However, the 
detailed estimate has not yet been sanctioned 
for this work. 

(b) As on 30.6.72 there were only 77 
non-OYT subscribers in the waiting list at 
Patna. Adequate telephone capacity exists 
for meeting this demand. 

(c) The District Manager, Telephones, 
Patna has sent some proposals for allotment 
of equipment and his request U being consi- 
dered for allotment in 1973-74 manufacturing 
programme of M/s. Indian Telephone 
Industries. 

(d) The 1972-73 allotments were made 
to meet the anticipated demand as on 31.3.72 
and these have been already taken up for 
manufacture by Indian Telephones Industries. 
Adequate capacity was available in Patna to 
meet the demands anticipated on 31.3.72 and 
hence no allotment was made to Patna in 
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future may be met by the allotments to be* 
made in 1973-74 manufacturing programme 
of Indian Telephones Industries. With the 
present limited and inadequate availability of 
equipment, a waiting period of 2-3 years 
is unavoidable. 

Raids by G.B.I. on Senior Police Officer's 
House in Jaipur 

2247. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the houses of some senior 
police officers were raided in Jaipur by a 
special team of the Central Bureau of Investi- 
gation from New Delhi on 21st July, 1972 ; 

(b) if so, the outcome thereof ; and 

(c) the reasons for the same and action 
taken in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : 
(a) to (c). During the investigation of 
cases registered by the Central Bureau of 
Investigation against two police officers of 
Rajasthan in respect of allegations of bribery 
and acquisition of disproportionate assets, 
their residences in Jaipur were searched on 
21st July, 1972. Certain documents were 
seized as a result of the searches. The matter 
is still under investigation. 

Resentment shown by India about 
Nuclear Grouping with Israel 

2248. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have studied 
the report by the United Nations associations 
of United States and the Soviet Union, 
signed in Washington on 19th July, 1972 and 
allegations regarding India's resentment on 
nuclear grouping with Israel ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Indian Gov- 
ernment thereto ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF* ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) s (a) The report, which is not of 


an official body has alleged that 8 non- weapon 
States, among them India and Israel, possess 
the fissionable material and technology needed 
to manufacture nuclear weapons if they decide 
to do so. 

(b) Government of India’s policy remains, 
as before, to use nucler energy only for peace* 
full purposes. 

Full-time Inspector under Working 
Journalists Act 

2249. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Delhi Union of Journalists on 
20th July, 1972 demanded the appointment 
of a full-time Inspector under the Working 
Journalists Act so that the irregularities being 
committed by several newspapers in the 
capital can be put to an end ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof and 
the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DIIARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). According to in- 

formation obtainrd from the Department of 
Labour and Employment, the Union in its letter 
dated 28.7.72 represented that in Delhi there 
were 40 small, medium and big newspaper 
establishments but no wholetime Inspector had 
been appointed to enforce the provisions of 
the Working Journalists (Conditions of Service) 
and Misc provisions. Act, 1955, and of the re- 
commendations of the Wage Boards, as accepted 
by the Government of India for working 
journalists and non-working journalists work- 
ing in such establishment. The demand of 
the Union is under consideration by the Delhi 
Administration. 

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Transfer of Postal Staff in Balasore Flood 
and Cyclone effected areas 

2251. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- 
PATRA : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there have been transfers of 
Postal staff in Balasore flood and cyclone 
affected areas although Government policy is 
not to transfer employees at such period ; 
and 

(b) if so, the number of persons transfer- 
red ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI FI. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Ttansfers of Postal staff in Balasore Postal 
Dn. have been made in May 1972 in the 
normal course in the interest of service or at 
their own requests. 

(b) In all, 38 officials weie transferred. 
Out of these 9 were transferred at their own 
requests, 7 wcie transferred at the same 
station and 22 were transferred in the interest 
of service to other stations within the same 
division. 

Convention of Freedom Fighters in Delhi 

2252. SHRI N K. S\NGHI : 

SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the freedom fighters at a 
Convention held lecently in Delhi have 
demanded the creation of a uniform pension 
scheme for them and for grant of lands and 
loans for construction of houses ; and 

(b) if so, whether these requests have 
been considered by Government and if so, the 
decision taken in this regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). Government 


have seen the press report dated 23rd July, 
1972 about the convention of freedom fighters 
published in the Times of India of 24th July, 
1972 mentioning these points. 

Government of India have already decided 
to implement a scheme of grant of pensions to 
freedom fighters with effect from 15th August, 
1972. As regards loans and lands for construc- 
tion of houses, it is for the State Governments 
and Union Territory Administrations to 
consider these recommendations. 

Industrial Growth 

2253. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- 
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether growth of industrial produc- 
tion envisaged in the Fourth Plan could be 
achieved during 1971 and the first half of 1972 

(b) if not, the rate of growth actually 
achieved during the above period and how 
much is the shortfall ; and 

(c) the causes for the failure to achieve 
the target and the steps that are proposed to 
lift the industrial growth from its stagnation ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) No, Sir. 

(b) As against the growth rate of 8 to 
10% per annum envisaged in the Fourth Plan, 
the actual rate of growth in industrial pro- 
duction, during 1971, was 3%. 

The index of industrial production for 
first half of 1972 is not yet available. 

(c) Of the several factors responsible for 
inadequate industrial growth, the main ones 
are shortage of certain categories of steel and 
other raw materials, shortage of power and 
lack of infrastructural facilities in certain area 
and low labour productivity. Efforts are being 
made to deal with these problems. 

Use of Radiation Technology for Preserva- 
tion of Food 

2255. SHRI RAJ DEO SINGH : 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 

Will the Ministei of ATOMIC ENERGY 
be pleased to state : 

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Atomic Energy Commission had raised the 
possibility of a large-scale use of radiation for 
the preservation of food ; and 

(b) if so, the targetted period or date of 
first experiment ? 

THF PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). Feasibility studies 
have been completed on radiation technologies 
relating to sprout inhibition and pre vention of 
spoilage in stored potatoes and onions, 
disinfestation for insect control and preven- 
tion of losses in stored wheat, and preservation 
of certain sea foods. The Department of 
Atomic Energy envisages establishment in a 
phased manner of pilot-scale irradiation 
facilities for these processes from 1973 on- 
wards. Implementation of this programme is 
awaiting clearance from the Ministry of Health 
to whom an application has already been 
made. 

Memoranda Given by opposition Parties 
of Haryana Against the Chief Minister 

2256. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
refer to the reply given to Starred Question 
No. 378 on the 12th April, 1972 regarding the 
charges against the Chief Minister of Haryana 
and state : 

(a) whether the Memoranda have since 
been examined ; and 

(b) if so, the action proposed to be 
taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 
(b). The Memoranda submitted to the 
President on the 27th October, 1971 and the 
24th February 1972, containing certain 
allegations against Shri Bansi Lai Chief Minis- 
ter of Haryana and others, are still under exa- 
mination. 

Export of Thorium Compounds 

2257. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC 
ENERGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the total amount of Thorium and 


Thorium compounds exported in the last three 
years ; 

(b) the terms of export ; and 

(c) the countries to which exports were 
made ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI); 
(a) The total quantities of Thorium compounds 
exported during the last years are as follows I 


Tears 

Quantity 

Value 


(in Kilograms) 

(in Rupees) 

1969-70 

37,263 

9,78,451 

1970-71 

35,832 

9,83,9G8 

1971-72 

12,400 

3,90,519 


(b) The terms of export differ from 
country to country. Payment terms range from 
payment against documents to 180 days* 
credit. 

(c) The exports were made to the Arab 
Republic of Egypt, the Fedeial Republic of 
Germany, Hong Kong, Iran, Japan, South 
Vietnam, Sri Lanka and the United King- 
dom. 

Benefits of Satellite Communications to 
the common man 

2258. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH ; Will the PRIME MINISTER be 
pleased to state whether, to bring the benefits 
of future satellite communications to the 
common man development work has started 
on the following items : 

(i) cheap solid State community Tele- 
vision receivers for the rural areas ; 

(ii) practical inexpensive antennas for the 
same ; and 

(iii) front-end converters for direction 
reception ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) ; (i) The Electronic Systems 
Division (ESD) of the Indian Space Research 
Organisation (ISRO) at Ahmedabad has 
developed Solid state TV receivers which will 
be used for direct reception of TV program- 
mes from the ATSF geo-stationary Communi- 



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cation Satellite expected to be located over 
the Indian Ocean in mid-1975. Parallel 
developmental activity on this aspect is being 
carried out at Electronics Corporation of 
India Ltd., (ECIL) Hyderabad a wholly 
Government owned Public Sector Undertaking 
under the Department of Atomic Energy. 
The sets to be used in Indian rural areas need 
to be rugged, with minimal maintenance and 
power requirements. These sets will be made 
by EC1I. These sets will need special 
chickenmesh antennas and front-end converters 
to receive the extremely week signals from 
the satellite and show these on the TV 

(ii) The chicken-mesh antennas needed 
for this have been developed by the Experi- 
mental Satellite Communication Earth station 
(ESCES), another Division of (ISRO), at 
Ahmedabad. 

(iii) The ESD has also developed the 
front-end converter required for direct 
reception. This is under final test. 

Fabrication of Heavy Equipment for 
Atomic Power Plant at Narora 

2259. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC 
ENERGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Atomic Energy Depart- 
ment proposes to fabricate, on site, the heavy 
equipment required for the atomic plant at 
Narora ; or these are to be transported to the 
site ; and 

(b) whether the strengthening and widen- 
ing of the necessary bridges and culverts and 
has started so that there may not be any 
bottlenecks in the transport of heavy equip- 
ment to Narora ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : (a) It is proposed that certain 
pieces of equipment will be partially fabrica- 
ted in shops and then finally completed at 
site. Certain equipment like the turbine 
generator will be fabricated at manufacturers* 
workshops and then moved to site. 

(b) Strengthening and widening of 
bridges and culverts will be taken up at the 
appropriate time. 


Marine Propulsion Reactor 

2260. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATMOMIC 
ENERGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Marine Propulsion Reactor 
has been designed ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE ( SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). A marine propul- 
sion reactor has not been designed. However, 
a project report has been prepared outlining 
the development work involved in nuclear 
propulsion for marine application. 

Report of the Science Plan Committee 
on National Science Policy 

2261. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM : 

DR. RANEN SEN : 

Will the Ministei of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of the Government 
has been drawn to a news-item in the Indian 
Express dated the 24th July, 1972 that the 
Science Plan Committee set up by the Govern- 
ment has submitted its report to the Govern- 
ment ; if so, the recommendations made by 
the Committee ; 

(b) the time Government will take to 
implement those recommendations ; and 

(c) the estimated expenditure to be in- 
curred on the plan and the extent to which 
the output in the country will be increased ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) and (b). The Government has 
seen the news-item in the Indian Express 
dated the 24th July, 1972 under the caption 
“SCIENCE PLAN GETS FINAL 
TOUCHES**. The National Committee on 
Science and Technology is currently engaged 
in the formulation of a Science and Techno- 
logy Plan. To cover the various sectors of 
S & T, the NCST has constituted 22 Panels. 
The Science and Technology Plan will be 
based on a detailed assessment of the existing 
knowledge and competence in each of the 
above sectors and the potential for develop- 



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mcnt with reference to our socio-economic 
needs. The draft of the Plan is expected to 
be ready by the end of April, 1973. 

(c) It is too early to make any assessment 
at this stage. 

Inadequate Attention being Paid by In- 
dustrial Units in the Private Sector to 
Research and Development 

2262. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY: 
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether well-organised industrial units 
in the private sector pay very little attention 
to the problem of research and development ; 
and 

(b) if so, whether Government have taken 
any steps to make the industry research 
conscious ? 

r 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NlAM) : (a) Generally, industrial units in 
private sector have made inadequate invest- 
ment in research and development. 

(b) A Committee under the Chairmanship 
of Dr. Y. Nayudamma, Director-General, 
CSIR, has been set up to go into the question 
of difficulties experienced by the private 
industrial firms in the execution and com- 
mercialisation of Research and Development. 
The recommendations of the Committee are 
awaited. 

Financial Assistance to Scientific Research 
Institute Operating in Private Sector 

2263. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY s 
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) how many scientific research Institutes 
Are now operating in the private sector ; 

(b) whether Government are giving finan- 
cial assistance to these Institutes, if so, the 
mode of assistance given to them ; and 

(c) whether Government have taken care 
to see that these Institutes are properly 
administered and the scientific programmes 
undertaken by them are effectively imple- 
mented ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 


NIAM) : (a) There are 17 private research 
institutions. 

(b) The Government is giving substantial 
grants-in-aid to the Institutes for recurring as 
well as non-recurring expenditure. 

(c) These institutes are registered under 
the registration of Societies Act and are 
administered by a Governing Council on 
which representative of the Ministry or 
Government departments who piovide funds 
are represented. The plan programme of 
these institutes is generally scrutinised by the 
Ministry or departments concerned and also 
by Planning Commission. A watch is also 
kept on the implementation of the Plan 
Scheme both by concerned departments and 
Planning Commission. 

Film and TV Institute Scholarships 

2264. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the State* wise break-up of 17 scholar- 
ships awarded during 1971-72 by the Film 
and Television Institute of India ; and 

(b) the salient features of scholarships 
awarded by different State Governments and 
the Union Territories to the students of the 
Institute ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) The State-wise break-up is as 


follows : 

Andhra Pradesh . . 1 

Bihar . . 2 

Jammu & Kashmir . . 1 

Maharashtra . . 5 

Mysore . . 2 

Orissa . . 1 

Punjab . . 1 

Rajasthan . . 2 

Uttar Pradesh . . 2 

Total 17 


(b) A statement is laid on the Table of 
the House. [Placed in Library, See No. LT* 
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F. F. G. Loan 

2265. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the details of 43 applications received 
by the Film Finance Corporation of India 
during the period 1st April to 31st Decem- 
ber, 1971 which are pending sanction of loans 
to the extent of Rs. 93.74 lakhs ; and 

(b) the details of seven applicants who 
have been sanctioned Rs. 10.07 lakhs as loan ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). Two statements 

containing the requisite information are 
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in 
Library. See No. LT-3398/72]. 

Views of State Governments etc. on Film 
Censorship Enquiry Committee 

2266. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the 
broad outlines of views of State Governments 
and Union Teiritorics and different sections 
of the film industry on the principal recom- 
mendations of the Enquiry Committee on 
film censorship ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House. [ Placed in Library. See 
No. LT- 3 399/72]. 

Production of Essential Consumer Goods 
in Private Sectors 

2267. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISH- 
RA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the 
proportion of essential consumer goods in 
the total production of private corporate sector 
since the end of the Third Five Year Plan ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
Separate production figures for the private 
corporate sector ' and unincorporated enter- 
prises are not available. The statement giving 
the production of 17 broad groups of essential 
consumer goods listed under the Essential 
Commodities Act, for the years 1966 to 1971 


(calendar years) as per returns submitted by 
units borne on the registers of the Directorate 
General of Technical Development, and other 
sponsoring authorities (like the Textile Commis- 
sioner and the Director of Sugar and Vanas- 
pati), is laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3400/72]. * 

Furnishing of Newspapers* Annual 
Statements 

2268. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : Will 
the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number out of the 4961 defaulting 
newspapers in respect of submission of Annaul 
Statements, which are either non-existent or 
irregular ; and 

(b) consequences being faced by 803 news- 
papers and periodicals which have been 
removed from the record as publishers, on 
their failure to fiynish Annual Statements for 
two consecutive years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) The information is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the Table of the 
House. 

(b) A newspapei not borne on the records 
of the Registrar of Newspapers for India is 
not allocated any newsprint. It ceases to enjoy 
postal concession and it is not entitled to be 
considered by the Directorate of Advertising 
and Visual Publicity for Central Government 
advertisements. 

Award of “Tamra Patras*’ and Reception 
to Freedom Fighters on the Occasion of 
25th Anniversary of Indian Independence 

2269. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether officers and men of Indian 
National Army and the participants of the 
1945-46 revolt in Royal Indian NAVY will 
be given “Tamra Patras” and reception on 
the occasion of 25th Anniversary of Indian 
Independence ; 

(b) whether families of Mankumar Bosu 
Thakur and 27 other officers and men of 
R. I. N. who were hanged or shot at Madras 
in 1943 will be given the same honour ; and 

(c) whether posthumous honour will be 
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or shot by British Government and who sacri- 
fied their lives in Azad Hind Fauj liberation 
offensive ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) All freedom fighters who 
have undergone imprisonment in the cause 
of freedom of the country for a period of 
not less than six months are eligible for Tamra 
Patras which will be distributed at several 
ceremonies to be held throughout the anniver- 
sary year. The men of the Indian National 
Army, and the Royal Indian Navy would also 
be eligible if they fulfill the criteria laid down. 

(b) and (c). The question of conferring 
posthumous honour on freedom fighters/mar- 
tyrs has not yet been considered. 

Survey of Natural Resources 

2270. SHRI P. M. MEHTA 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM- 
KAKODKAR : 

Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Planning Ministry is consider- 
ing to have comprehensive survey of the coun- 
try’s natural resources ; 

(b) whether any scheme in regard to the 
survey for natural resources has been prepared 
and if so, when the survey will be conducted ; 
and 

(c) whether Government feel that the 
degree of development of a country depends 
on its capacity to make best possible use of 
natural resources at its disposal ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM): 

(a) and (b). The Planning Commission in Sep- 
tember last year appointed 12 task forces to re- 
commend measures for the intensification of 
survey activities of various natural resources in 
the country. These task forces were in the 
following specific fields : 

1. Coal & Lignite. 

2. Atomic Energy Minerals. 

3. Non-Ferrous Group of Minerals, 

4. Ferrous Group of Minerals. 

5. Industrial (Non-metallic) Minerals. 

6. Marine Survey for Living Resources. 


7. Marine Survey for Non-living resources. 

8. Groundwater Resources. 

9. Surface Water Resources. 

10. Aerial Survey. 

11. Land & Soil Resources. 

12. Forest Resources. 

The task forces have submitted their reports 
recently and the Core Committee of the Plann- 
ing Commission is considering how these reco- 
mmendations could be implemented. 

(c) The Government agrees with the Hon'- 
ble Member that country’s development de- 
pends to a great extent on best possible exploi- 
tation of its natural resources. The setting up 
of these task forces is one of the steps taken 
up in this direction. 

Prosecution of Public Servants and Private 
Persons by C. B. I. 

2271. SHRI P. M. MEHTA 
SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Central Bureau of Investi- 
gation prosecuted 22 public servants and 39 
private persons during May, 1972 ; 

(b) whether Central Bureau of Investiga- 
tion also secured convictions against some per- 
sons and imposed fines on the persons or the 
firms convicted ; and 

(c) if so, the particulars thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The 
Central Bureau of Investigation prosecuted 23 
public servants and 37 private persons during 
May, 1972. 

(b) and (c). 17 public servants (1 gazetted 
officer and 16 non-gazetted officers) and 10 pri- 
vate persons (including 1 firm) were convicted 
by the courts and awarded sentences of vary- 
ing terms of imprisonment/fine in May, 1972. 
The convictions were in respect of allegations 
relating to embezzlement, forgery, bribery, 
misappropriation, cheating, criminal breach of 
trust, misconduct and violation of the provi« 
sioni of Essential Commodities Act, Opium 
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Views expressed by U. S. experts on 
Indian Nuclear reactors 

2272. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 

THAM : 

SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Governments attention has 
been drawn to the views expressed, recently, 
by some U, S. experts that the Indian nuclear 
reactors were not subjected to international 
safeguard checks by the International Atomic 
Energy Agency and hence pose a threat to 
non-proliferation of nuclear weapons , and 

(b) if so, the Governments reaction there- 
to ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Government do not agree with the 
views. 

People’s Participation in Implementation 
of Plan Programme 

2273. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
TIIAM : Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state 

(a) whether hitherto the emphasis was on 
people’s participation in implementation of 
the plan programmes with little or no atten- 
tion paid to the problem of peoples partici- 
pation in the formulation of the plan itself ; 
and 

(b) if so, whether any steps are being 
taken to ensure active participation of the 
people in the formulation of plan policies ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) From the incep- 
tion of planned development, the Planning 
Commission has laid considerable stress on 
popular understanding of and participation 
in the implementation of various schemes and 
programmes. Also in the past there have been 
consultations with representative bodies prior 
to formulation of Plan policies and program- 
mes. Some further steps are being taken to 
broaden this process of popular participation 
in the formulation of Plant. 


(b) The introduction of multi-level plan- 
ning throughout the country, as proposed in 
the document on the “Approach to the Fifth 
Five Year Plan”, is expected to ensure in- 
creased participation of people in the formu- 
lation and implementation of Plan policies 
and programmes. In the meantime, care has 
been taken to associate expert, popular and 
non-official opinion with the deliberations of 
various Steering Groups, task forces and wor- 
king groups which have been set up to help 
formulate Fifth Plan policies and schemes. 

Arrears of Telephone Bills 

2274. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

SHRIHUKUM CHANDKACH- 
WAI : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be pleased to state the amount of 
arrears of Telephone Bills, year- wise since 
1970 ? • 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : The 
amount of arrears of Telephone bills year- 
wise since 1970 are as given below : 



Arrears on 

Amount ( Rs . in 

lakhs) 

(i) 

1.4.70 in respect 
of bills issued 
upto 31.12.69 

Rs. 612.43 

(«i) 

1.4.71 in respect 
of bills issued 
upto 31.12.70 

Rs. 555.64 

(iii) 

1.4.72 in respect 
of bills issued 
upto 31.12.71 

Rs. 605.59 

Cheating In Weights and Measures 


2275. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether cheating in weights and 
measures in the country is on the increase ; 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government 
in eradicating such cheating ; 

(c) whether weights and measures of the 
Departments of Posts and Telegraph and Rail- 
ways have ever been checked and stamped, 
if not, the reasons therefor ; and 

(d) the steps taken by Government to 
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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) and (b). Government are aware that 
cheating in weights and measures exists in 
the country but there is no evidence to prove 
that it is on the increase. Enforcement of 
weights and measures being a State subject, 
any case brought to the notice of Government 
is taken up with the State Government con- 
cerned for suitable remedial action. 

(c) The weights and measures used by 
Railways were being checked in a few States 
but not those of the Posts and Telegraphs as 
the transactions of the Posts and Telegraphs 
were for a long time considered as non-com- 
mercial transactions. 

(d) The weight and measures used by 
the Departments of Posts and Telegraphs will 
be subjected to checking and stamping in the 
near future, while those used by the Rail- 
ways are already being checked in some 
States and will be checked in the near future 
in the remaining States. 

Kidnapping of a Boy from his House in 
Paharganj, New Delhi 

227G. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether one boy Rajendra, was 
kidnapped on the 11th June, 1972 from his 
house Paharganj, New Delhi ; 

(b) whether the boy’s father lodged a 
complaint alleging the hand of Paharganj 
Police Sub-Inspector in this case ; 

(c) whether the Delhi Youth Federation 
also sent a memorandum to the Home Minis- 
ter on this subject ; and 

(d) if so, the steps taken so far to trace 
the boy and to punish the culprit and prevent 
further mischief ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No report was recei- 
ved at Police Station Paharganj, regarding 
kidnapping of Rajendra on 11th June, 1972. 
However, on 9th June, 1972 Shri Manohar 
Lai Verma reported the alleged kidnapping 
of his son Shri Rajendra Kumar at Police 
Station Paharganj. 

(b) No allegation of complicity of a Sub- 
Inspector of Paharganj Police wa» made. 


However, such an allegation was made against 
a Sub -Inspector of Police Station, Hauz Qazi. 

(c) Yes. 

(d) The boy Shri Rajendra Kumar came 
back to his house on 12th or 13th June, 1972 
and is present there. No corroborative evi- 
dence to support the allegation of kidnapping 
of Shri Rajendra Kumar has come on Police 
record so far. 

Peoples living below Poverty Line 

2277. SHRI G. K. CHANDRAPPAN 2 
Will the Ministei of PLANNING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether 40 per cent of our popula- 
tion is living below poverty line ; and 

(b) if so, the special measures Govern- 
ment intend to take for improving their 
lot ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) According to availa- 
ble estimates, private consumption of Rs. 20 
per capita per mensem at 1960-61 prices would 
be neeeded to assure a reasonable minimum 
level of living. At present over 220 million 
or 40 per cent of the people are estimated to 
be living below this level. 

(b) A major objective of the remaining 
period of Fourth Plan and Fifth Plan would 
be to improve the lot of the people below the 
poverty line. This is sought to be achieved 
by— 

(i) Provision of employment opportuni- 
ties on as large and wide a scale as possible ; 

(ii) stabilisation of prices of essential goods 
such as foodgrains, edible oils, standard cloth, 
sugar and cooking fuels and other necessary 
consumers articles ; 

(iii) pursuance of a production, distribu- 
tion and investment policy that will make for 
increased availabilities of items of essential 
consumption ; 

(iv) determined restraint on inessential 
consumption of the relatively well-to-do 
classes ; and 

(v) provision of social consumption in the 
form of education, health, nutrition, drinking 
water, housing, etc., at least up to a minimum 
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Increase In Price of Trucks 

2278. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether truck prices havg risen by 
12 to 15 per cent in the last 14 months ; 

(b) whether TELCO which controls as 
much as 70 per cent of the total market for 
trucks has revised the prices six times between 
April, 1971 and April 15, 1972 ; 

(c) whether the price revisions are justi- 
fied ; and 

(d) if not, whether any steps are being 
contemplated to control the prices of trucks ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) M/s. TELCO have revised the prices 
of their vehicles six times between April, 1971 
and 15th April, 1972. 

(c) and (d). This is a disturbing trend. 
Government are keeping a close watch over 
the situation to |udge what action is neces- 
sary. 

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Prices of Industrial and Chemical Salts 

2280. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
the consideration of Government to equalise 
the price of industiial and Chemical salts 
through out the country ; 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) the prices of Industrial and chemical 
salts in all the States as on 30th June, 1972 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 

(a) The general question of equalisation of 
prices of salt throughout the countiy is under 
consideration of the Government. 

(b) Does not feiise. 

(c) Information is being collected and 
will be placed on the Tabic of the House. 

Export of Technical knowhow by H.M.T. 
to U.K. 

2281. SHRI P. K. DEO : 

SHRI VEKARIA : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Hindustan Machine 
Tools, Limited has recently signed an agree- 



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ment with some British Companies for export 
of technical know-how ; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; 

(c) whether the attention of Government 
in this regard has been drawn to a report in 
the ‘Economic Times’ of the 10th July, 1972 
captioned “H M.T. export know-how to 
U.K.”; and 

(d) the amount of foreign exchange 
likely to be earned as a result of the agree- 
ment ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a), (b) and (d). Hindustan 
Machine Tools have negotiated an agreement 
with Messrs Wickman Machine and Tool 
Sales Ltd., U.K., for licensing manufacture 
of H.M.T. Minichucker. The terms of the 
agreement being in the nathre of a commer- 
cial transaction, it is considered inappiopriate 
to disclose the details thereof. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

Introduction of changes in the Method of 
Planning 

22 82. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will 
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government propose to intro- 
duce certain changes in the method of plan- 
ning in the country ; and 

(b) if so, the proposed changes ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The main changes arc : 

(i) greater emphasis on multi-level plan- 
ing, regional planning, area/district 
planning and a welcome decentralisa- 
tion of the decision making process 
within a borad central framework of 
Plan formulation and control. 

(li) building up a suitable information and 
monitoring system for continuous 
evaluation and reporting of pi ogress 
for better implementation of projects 
and programmes in physical and 
financial terms. 

fill) advance preparation of shelf of pro- 
jects and their ex-ante appraisal ; 


(iv) integration of Science and Technology 
with the process of planning ; and 

(v) people’s active and direct participa- 
tions and involvement in Plan formu- 
lation and implementation. 

Proposal^ for Expansion and Reorganisa- 
tion of Industrial Testing Research 
Laboratory 

2283. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will 
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
slate : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any fresh proposal to expand and reorganise 
the Industrial Testing Research Laboratory 
from the Government of Kerala ; 

(b) if so, the main features of the propo- 
sal ; and 

(c) the decision taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). No, Sir. 
Recently no fresh proposal has been received. 
On the earlier proposal of the Kerala Govern- 
ment received in 1971, seeking UNDP assis- 
tance to the extent of $ 450,000 (or Rs.32.75 
lakhs approximately) for expansion of their 
Industrial Testing and Research Laboratory, 
Trivandrum, the Planning Commission advised 
the State Government to reduce the quantum 
of assistance from $450,000 (or Rs. 32.75 
lakhs) to $100,000 (or Rs. 7 28 lakhs). 

Construction of New Building for S. S. 

I.S.I. at Trichur (Kerala) 

2284. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the proposed construction of 
a new building for the Small Scale Indus- 
tries Service Institute at Trichur in Kerala 
has started ; 

(b) if so, the approximate time by which 
it is expected to be finished; and 

(c) if not, the reasons for delay ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The construction 
of the building has not yet started. 

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acquired for the purpose, went up in appeal 
againt the amount of compensation granted 
to him ; first to the sub-Judge of Trichur and 
later to the High Court. The enhanced com- 
pensation awarded by the High Court has 
been paid to the owner. The C.P.W.D. have 
prepared the plans which are now under 
scrutiny. The work is likely to be taken up 
shortly. 

Earning of Foreign Exchange 

2285. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR s Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have selected 
certain items for earning foreign exchange in 
the remaining period of the current plan to 
meet the foreign exchange needs ; and 

(b) if so, what aie those ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Besides, 
improvement in earnings of foreign exchange 
by Shipping and Tourism and traditional 
expoit earning commodities, increases in 
export earnings are mainly expected from 
items like engineering goods, chemical and 
allied Products, geins and jewellery, fish and 
fish preparations, iron ore, handicrafts and 
ready-made garments. 

Appointment of Advisory Body of Experts 
for Standardisation of equipment for fer- 
tilizer units 

2286. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Whl the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMEET AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have appointed 
any Advisory Body of Experts to suggest 
standardisation of major items of equipment 
required in the fertilizer units ; and 

(b) if so, the consitution and terms of 
icference thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). In order to study and assess the 
progiess of development of manufacture of 
various types of Chemical Machinery in the 
country and to suggest standardised capacities 
for various types of chemical plants, Govern- 
ment of India constituted in August, 1969 an 


Expert Committee known as “Expert Commi- 
ttee for Development of Chemical Machinery 
Industries". 

The terms of reference and constitution 
of the Committee are as under : — 

Terms of Reference : 

(i) to determine and suggest standardised 
capacity for various chemical plants, 
wherever, possible ; 

(ii) to estimate the total cost of equipment 
and machinery comprising standard- 
ised plants ; 

(iii) to indicate the break-up of the requ- 
ired equipment and machinery into 
indigenous/imported categories ; and 

(iv) to suggest which of the items of 
equipment falling under the imported 
category should be taken up for urgent 
indigenous development. 

Constitution : 

1. Director General of Technical Deve- 
lopment — Chairman. 

2. Shri M. M. Vadi, S. I. A. (DGTD) — 
Member and Alternate Chairman. 

3. Dr. A. Seetharamiah, S.I.A. (DGTD) 
— Member 

4. Shri S. K. Sinha, Senior Industrial 
Adviser (DGTD) — Member 

5. Shri V. N. Kasturirangan, Ministry of 
Petroleum and Chemicals — Member 

6. Dr. R.K. Ghosh, F.G.I. Ltd., Member. 
Shri H.H. Jethanandani, FCI Ltd., — 
Alternate Member. 

7. Dr. B.V. Bhoota, Chairman Chemical 
Plant and Machinery Association of 
India — Member. 

8. Dr. M. D. Parekh, Managing Director 
M/s National Rayon Company Ltd., — 
Member. 

9. Shri Ranvir M. Khatau, Director, 
Associated Cement Companies Ltd. — 
Member. 

10. Shri J. P. Mukerjee, Chief Engineer, 
M/s. Walchand Nagar Industiies — 
Member. 

11. Shri K. P. Aiyappan Nayar, Sales 
Manager (Plants) FACT Engineering 
and Design Organisation — Member. 

12. Shri S. C. Banerjee, I. A. (DGTD) — 
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Availability of Resources for making Ad- 
justments in the Five year Plan to meet 
the requirements 

2287. SHRI S. C SAMANTA : Will the 
Mj'nstcr of PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the steps being taken by him to make 
adjustments in the Five Year Plan so that it 
niu Ij» the requirements of the people in 
general ; 

(b) by what time the planning from the 
village and district level is likely to take 
shape, and efforts being made by him to this 
end ; 

(c) whether the financial targets already 
fixed are likely to be enhanced for this pur- 
pose ; and 

(d) if so, the sources from which these 

resources will be made available ? 

% 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DIIARIA) : (a) The Five Year 
Plans are formulated after taking into account 
the requirements of the people in general. 
The question of making adjustments in the 
Five Year Plan for this purpose does not, 
therefore, arise. However, m addition to the 
Plan programmes, some special employment 
programmes have been recently introduced 
to alleviate the prevailing condition of un- 
employment in the country. They arc in 
addition to Crash Scheme for Rural Employ- 
ment which will benefit the unemployed and 
underemployed in rural areas. 

(b) No time limit has been laid down 
for completion of the work relating to pre- 
paration of integrated district plans by State 
Governments. The Planning Commission has 
issued guidelines to State Governments for 
formulation of distnct plans and is rendering 
all possible assistance with a view to expe- 
diting preparation of the same. Planning at 
village level is not contemplated. 

(c) and (d) The question of enhancing 
of financial targets and of finding additional 
resources on that account, does v not arise, 
since adjustments in the Five Year Plan refer- 
red to in part (a) of the question are not 
contemplated. The funds for the special 
employment oriented schemes mentioned in 

(a) above would be raised and made availa- 
ble by the Centre, and the State Govern- 
ments. 


Pilot Plant Project for Conversion of 
High-Sulphur Low-Ash Assam Coal to 
Synthetic Petroleum 

2288. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have sanctioned 
any pilot plant project for conversion of 
high-sulphur low-ash Assam coal into syn- 
thetic petroleum ; and 

(b) whether Indian Oil and Natural 
Gas Commission have refused to collaborate 
with the National Committee on Science 
and Technology pilot plant project ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) The GSIR have proposed the 
setting up of the pilot plant at the Central 
Fuel Research Institute at Jealgora to test 
the feasibility of coal to oil conversion techno- 
logy on which they have already been con- 
ducting researches for sometime. 

(b) No Sir. GSIR wish to work closely 
in this project with the User Ministiy which 
would eventually have to exploit this techno- 
logy. They have, therefore, referred to the 
Ministry of Pc troleum and Chemicals to parti- 
cipate financially in the setting up of the Pilot 
Plant. That Ministry arc considering the 
proposal. This matter is still at the level of 
exchanges between CSIR and the Ministry of 
Petroleum and Chemicals and no final deci- 
sion has been taken. 

Nuclear Agro-Induatrial Complex in U. P. 

2289 SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be plea- 
sed to state : 

(a) whether Atomic Energy Commission 
intends to establish a nuclear agro-industrial 
Complex in Uttar Pradesh ; 

(b) the results of ground water survey 
conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission 
in western Uttar Pradesh ; arid 

(c) whether Atomic Energy Commission 
has shelved the project to produce nuclear 
power and dc-salinized water to feed propo- 
sed Mithapur fcrtilizci plant ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
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ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SH RIM ATI INDIRA 

GANDHI) : (a) to (c). Government ha* 
decided to set up an atomic power station 
at Narora in Western Uttar Pradesh. The 
station will consist of two units of 235 MWe 
each. 

A working group appointed by the Ato- 
mic Energy Commission to evaluate the con- 
cept of nuclcar-powered agro-industrial com- 
plexes has submitted its report. Among the 
projects studied by the working group are 
those relating to the eastablishment of such 
complexes in the Gangetic plain as well as in 
the Kutch-Saurashtra region. Further- 
detailed studies on these projects are in pro- 
gress. 

In connection with the feasibility studies 
relating to Western Uttar Pradesh, it has 
been decided to investigate the availability 
and scientific exploitation of undcrgiound 
water from this area. This study has not yet 
been completed. 

Machinery for Satisfactory Planning and 
Coordination of Plan Publicity 

2290. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : WU1 the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the machinery evolved for satisfactory 
planning and coordination of Plan Pub- 
licity ; and 

(b) the publicity media aims of the 5th 
Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Plan Publicity 
Schemes are planned and implemented by the 
media units of the Ministry of Information 
and Broadcasting at the Centre and the Pub- 
licity Departments in the States. There are a 
few scheme which are part of the programmes 
of other developmental Ministries such as 
Health and Family Planning. They have the 
benefit of the Planning Commission's advice 
in the process of planning and coordinated 
implementation. 

(b) The publicity Schemes for the Fifth 
Plan are being formulated by the mass 
( ornmijnication media units of the Informa- 
bon and Broadcasting Ministry at the Centre 
and the publicity Departments in States. 


Tald over of whole sale trade of consu- 
mer Goode 

2291. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : 

SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to take 
over the wholesale trade in essential consu- 
mer goods ; and 

(b) if so, the advantages from such take- 
over and the main features of the proposal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). Government have under consi- 
deration a scheme for maintaining price 
stability and ensuring availability of essential 
commodities at reasonable prices. This 
scheme includes, inter-alia, recommendations 
about the role of the public sector in the 
wholesale trade in certain essential consumer 
goods. 

Setting up of Atomic Power Station in 
the Western, Northern and Southern 
Regions 

2292. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 

Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any site has been selected 
by the Site Selection Committee for setting 
up nuclear power station in Western, North- 
ern and Southern regions ; and 

(b) if so, their locations and when the 
work is likely to be started ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATOIN 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The Site Selec- 
tion Committee has so far made recommenda- 
tions only in regard to the Northern Region. 
The survey in regard to the Western and 
Southern Regions is still in progress. The 
Atomic Power Station in the Northern Region 
will be located at Narora in Western Uttar 
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investigations at the site and collection of 
data for the design of the Power Station has 
been taken up. 

Change In the name of Mysore to 
Karnataka 

2293. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether any proposals have been 
received from Government of Mysore to 
change the name of State from Mysore to 
Karnataka ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in 
this regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). A proposal to 
this effect has been received only on the 11th 
August, 1972 and it is yet to be considered 
by the Government. 

Survey of Radioactive Minerals 

2294. SHRI B V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a survey of radioactive 
minerals was undertaken all along the coastal 
regions of India ; 

(b) if so, the findings of this survey ; and 

(c) whether there is any other source 
than monazite sands ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. Surveys have been conducted 
by the Atomic Minerals Division of the 
Department of Atomic Energy for radioactive 
minerals along the Indian Sea Board as a 
part of a continuing programme of investiga- 
tions for such minerals. 

(b) Deposits of monazite associated with 
other constituent minerals of beach sands 
such as ilmenite, rutile, zircon sillimanite, 
kyanite, etc. have been located in noteworthy 
concentrations in certain parts of the coastal 
tract. 


(c) No, Sir. Along the Indian Sea board 
there is no known source of radio-active 
minerals other than monazite sands. 

Bhagavantam Committee’s Report on 
Survey of India 

2295. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the 
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Bhagavantam Committee has 
submitted its report on Survey of India, if so, 
the salient features of the report ; and 

(b) whether any decisions have been taken 
by the Government on the report ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI- 
AM) i (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. A summary of 
the recommendations is laid on the Table of the 
House. [ Placed in Library. See No. LT- 
3401/72]. The Survey of India has been 
transferred from the Ministry of Education 
to the Department of Science and Technology 
with effect from 3.5.71 and is now functioning 
as a scientific adjust to that Department like 
the Botanical Survey of India and the 
Zoological Survey of India. The recommen- 
dations in regard to details of organisation 
are under the consideration of Government. 

Books etc. produced by Publication 
Division 

2296. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the names and number of books, 
pamphlets and publicity literature, produced 
by the Publications Division of the Ministry 
in regional languages of the country during 
the past three years ; and 

(b) the names and number of books, 
pamphlets and publicity literature produced 
by the Publications Division of the Ministry 
in English and Hindi during the past three 
years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). A statement giving 
the requisite information is laid on the Table 
of the House. [Placed in Library . See No. LT- 
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Allocttloa on Foreign Exchange to email, 
medlnm and big newspapers 

2297. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the 
reasons for the allocation of foreign exchange 
during 1970-71 to small newspapers, medium 
newspapers and big newspapers for the purpose 
of importing printing and composing machi- 
nery, not being in accordance with the terms of 
the assurances given in Parliament ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : The policy of Government in regard 
to the grant of licences to newspapers for the 
import of printing, composing and allied 
machinery is to earmark 50 per cent of the 
total available foreign exchange allocation for 
small newspapers (circulation below 15,000), 
35% for medium newspapers (circulation betw- 
een 15,000 and 50,000) and 15% for big news- 
papers (circulation above 50,000) and that 
too for inescapable needs of their plant and 
machinery. 

The requirements of all small newspapers 
which had applied for import of printing 
machinery during 1970-71, involving 27% of 
the total foreign exchange ceiling, were met 
subject to availability of credit from the 
countries from which the machinery was 
sought to be imported by the applicants. At 
the end of the year, as in the past, the foreign 
exchange allocation still available with 
Government was first utilised to meet the 
demands of medium newspapers and only 
thereafter the applications from big news- 
papers were considered and licences granted 
for their essential needs. There is nothing 
inconsistent in this procedure with any assu- 
rance given to Parliament. 

Quota for Imported Newsprint to News- 
papers and Periodicals 

2298. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : Will 
the MINISTER of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the basic entitlement of newspapers 
and periodicals of imported newsprint ; 

(b) whether the different categories of 
newspapers and periodicals received during 
1971-72 additional quota of imported news- 
print in accordance with the percentage fixed 
by the Department for such an increase ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons for the same ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRJ DHARAM BIR 
SINHAJ : (a) The basic entitlement of news- 
print, imported and indigenous, is determined 
in terms of Remark V to the Newsprint Allo- 
cation Policy for the licensing period 1972-73 
a copy of which was laid on the Table of the 
Lok Sabha on 1 1, 4. 1972. This entitlement 
is for allocation as under: — 


Entitlement range 

Imported Indigenous 

DAILIES 

(i) less than 400 tonnes 

100% 

Nil 

(ii) 400 tonnes or above 
but less than 1000 
tonnes. 

90% 

10% 

(iii)1000 tonnes or above 
but less than 2000 

tonnes. 

82.5% 

17.5% 

0 

(iv)2000 tonnes and 
above 

75% 

25% 

PERIODICALS (Strandard newsprint) 


(i) less than 100 tonnes 

100% 

Nil 

(ii) over 100 tonnes 

100% 

Nil 

PERIODICALS (Glazed Newsprint) 


All entitlement 

100% 

Nil 

(b) Newspapers and 

periodicals 

were 


allowed additional quota towards permissible 
increases in terms of the Newsprint Allocation 
Policy for 1971-72, on application, as requird 
under Remark VII of the Annexure I to the 
Public Notice 

(c) Only newspapers and periodicals 
which did not apply for such increases were 
not allowed any additional quota as admissi- 
ble under the Policy. 

Per capita Income in M. P. 

2299. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
tp state : 

(a) the per capita income in Madhya 
Pradesh during the last three years, year- wise, 
as oompared to other States in the country ; 

(b) the per capita income of various 
income groups of people in the States as 
compared to respective groups in Madhya 
pradesh ; and 

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increase the income of backward areas in 
Madhya Pradesh ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The comparable esti- 
mates of per capita income of various States 
for the last three years, e g. 1969-70, 
1970-71 and 1971-72 are not yet available. 
The estimates of per capita State income 
have, however, been made for the year 

1969- 70 by the State Statistical Bureaux in all 
States except Bihar, Jammu and Kashmir, 
Kerala, Orissa, Manipur, and Tripura. For 

1970- 71, similar estimates have been worked 

out by the State Statistical Bureaux of a few 
States only, viz. Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, 
Mysore, Tamil Nadu and West Bengal. 
Owing to difference in concepts, methodology 
source of material and the base years, etc. 
these estimates are not comparable among the 
States. No estimates are yet available for the 
year 1971-72. * 

(b) Presently, the per capita income is 
being worked for each State as a whole and 
not separately for various income groups of 
people and, therefore, the information Is not 
available. 

(c) The development of backward areas 
is primarily the function of the concerned 
States. However, the steps which the Govern- 
ment of India has taken so far for removing 
the relative backwardness of the areas in 
Madhya Pradesh are set out in the Statement 
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT. 3403/72]. 

Medium Scale Industries in M. P. 

2300. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of medium scale industries 
alongwith their locations in Madhya Pradesh 
and the items manufactured by them ; 

(b) the total investment of these indus- 
tries in the State and the number of persons 
employed by them during last three years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) 
{a) and (b), There is no separate classifica- 
tion of Industries into large and medium 
scale. Therefore, separate statistics are not 
maintained in respect of medium scale indus- 
tries. 


Appointment of Qualified People to 
Special Jobs in Various Fields of Admi- 
nistration 

2301. SHRI FATESINGH RAO GAEK- 
WADi Will the PRIME MINISTER be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether it has been decided to insist, 
in feature, on appointment of qualified people 
to Special jobs in various fields of adminis- 
tration and not to endorse the appointment 
of departmental candidates as a matter of 
routine ; and 

(b) if so, the main points of the decision ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and (b). 
Appointments to posts under the Government 
of India are made in accordance with the 
rules of recruitment made by the President 
under the proviso to article 309 of the Cons- 
titution. The .rules specify inter alia the 
methods of recruitment as well as the quali- 
fications/experience, required for appoint- 
ment. The method of recruitment for 
a post i. e . whether the post should 
be filled entirely by direct recruitment, or 
partly by direct recruitment and partly by 
promotion from departmental employees, or 
entirely by promotion from such employees 
is decided taking into account the nature of 
duties and responsibilities attached to the post 
as well as its job requirements. Arrangements, 
therefore, already exist for making appoint- 
ments of qualified persons according to require- 
ments of the posts. 

Increase In Cost of Coal Gasification 
Plant at Hyderabad 

2302. SHRI FATESINGH RAO GAE- 
KWAD : Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
AND TFCHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the cost of the coal gasifica^- 
tion plant at Hyderabad has escalated by 
stages from R*. 21 lacs to Rs. 169 lacs, if so, 
the reasons therefor ; 

(b) the total amount of infructuous ex- 
penditure together with the amount of further 
commitments for payment, if any ; and 

(c) whether a comprehensive investigation 
has been made into the case of pinpoint res- 
ponsibility, and if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 



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NIAM) : (a) The amount of Rs. 21.00 lakhs 
approved by the Governing Body of the Coun- 
cil of Scientific and Industrial Research 
(CSIR) in 1962 were based on preliminary 
estimates obtained in 1956. However, on the 
basis of quotations received Irom several firms 
in 1964, an amount of Rs. 45.50 lakhs was 
actually sanctioned by the Governing Body. 
The escalation should be taken from Rs. 45.50 
lakhs. This was mostly due to devaluation 
and financing charges under the French credit. 
According to present calculations, the total 
capital cost of the plant is estimated at 
Rs. 96.38 lakhs. 

(b) The expenditure of Rs. 35.12 lakhs 
already incurred and committed expenditure 
of Rs. 33.38 lakhs is not infructuous. The 
importance of gasification of coals as an 
energy source has to be appreciated in the 
context of rising prices of imported crude. 
The plant is intended to develop the techno- 
logy and know-how on coal gasification of 
low grade coals in Godavri and Wardha 
valleys. The project continues to be of natio- 
nal importance. 

(c) In view of the replies to parts (a) and 
(b) above, this does not arise. 

Selection of IAS Officers in Higher Posts 

2303. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the existing procedure of 
selection of Indian Administrative Service 
Officers to higher posts is not satisfactory ; 
and 

(b) if so, the new procedure proposed to 
be introduced for the selection ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a). No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

C. B. I. Investigations Abroad 

2301. SHRI HARI SINGH * Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the 
number and nature of crimes which 
were investigated abroad by the Central 
bureau of Investigation in 1970 and 1971 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 

ministry of home affairs and 

in THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) s In 1970 


and 1971 there were 54 instances in which 
investigation had to be made abroad in cases 
investigated by the Central Bureau of Investi- 
gation. 

In 6 of these cases, officers of the Central 
Bureau of Investigation were sent abroad to 
make the investigation ; in 41 cases, investi- 
gations were got done through the Interpol 
and in 7 cases they were got done through 
the Ministry of External Affairs. 

These cases related to violations of statu- 
tory provisions relating to imports and exports 
and foreign exchange, misconduct, misappro- 
priation, fraud and forgery. 

G. B. I. Investigation 

2305. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
Minisier of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) the number, of cases where Central 
Bureau of Investigation has sought help from 
International Criminal Police Organisation, 
Paris during the period of 1970 and 1971 ; 
and 

(b) the nature of cases for which G. B. 
I. sought assistance from International 
Criminal Police Organisation, Paris ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. 
H. MOHSIN) : (a) 41. 

(b) The following types of cases were 
referred to the International Police Organi- 
sation, Paris by the C. B. I. : — 

(i) Violations of the Import and Export 
Control Act and Foreign Exchange 
Regulations Act. 

(ii) Misconduct in securing appointments 
on the basis of false certificates pur- 
porting to have been issued by 
institutions abroad. 

(iii) Misappropriation, fraud and forgery 
committed in India in which some of 
the relevant witnesses had gone abroad 
when the cases were taken up for 
investigation. 

(iv) Pilferage of contents of postal articles 
in international transit. 

(v) Fraudulent removal of antiques from 
India to foreign countries. 

(vi) Misconduct (forgery, misappropriation 
etc.) of some Indian officials while 
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Supersession in Senior I. A* S. Officers 

2306. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state the 
number of Indian Administrative Service 
Officers who have been superseded by Junior 
Indian Administrative Service Officers, from 
January, 1971 to 5th July, 1972, in all the 
Departments of Government of India ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : Appoint- 
ments to posts under the Central Government 
are made, on tenure basis, generally from 
among members of the All India Services 
and the Central Services, having regard to 
the merits, claims and availability of the 
officeis in the field of choice. 

During the period from the 1st January. 
1971, to the 31st, July 1972 53 meinbersof the 
Indian Administrative Service held lower 
posts under the Central Government, while 
officers junior to them were appointed to 
higher posts under the Central Government. 

Provision in budget for bringing out 
monthly Digests in several languages 

2307. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether budget of Information and 
Broadcasting Ministry two years back provided 
for a project to bring out monthly Digests in 
several languages ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for not implementing 
this project ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) It is now being examined. 

Guidelines for establishment of Joint 
Sector 

2308. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHN- 
OLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have prepared 
two papers providing guidelines for the 
establishment of Joint Sector at the Central 
and State levels ; and 


(b) if so, the salient points of the guide- 
lines ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) 
(a) and (b). The Industrial Licensing Policy 
of the Government annouuced in February, 
1970 envisages the establishment of Joint 
Sector through the conversion into equity of 
loans advanced by Public Financial Insti- 
tutions to private companies. Detailed guide- 
lines in this regard have been issued by the 
Department of Banking and copies of the 
same have already been laid on the Table of 
the House. 

Instructions have been issued that where 
State Industrial Development Corporations 
wish to associate other parties in the projects 
licensed to them, the Corporations themselves 
should hold not less than 26% of the equity 
and no other party should hold more than 
25%. 

Center al Publicity Advisory Committee 

2309. SHRI MADHURYYA IIALDAR : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of non-official members of 
the Central Publicity Advisory Committee 
and their qualifications ; 

(b) whether a list of attendance of these 
non-official members aL the last three meetings 
of the Advisory Committee will be placed on 
Table of the House ; and 

(c) what are the function of this new 
Committee and how far its activities have 
been helpful ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) (a) In April, 1972 a Publicity 
Advisory Group was constituted. The names 
of the non-official members of this Group 
are : 

1. Shri M. Chalapathi Rau Editor, 
National Herald, New Delhi. 

2. Shri Miinal Sen, Film Director, 
Calcutta. 

3. Dr. V. K. Narayana Menon, Executive 
Director, National Centre for Per- 
forming Arts, Bombay. 

4. Shri Dewan Berindernath, Special 



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Correspondent, Press Asia International 
New Delhi. 

5. Dr. Mohammad Ayoob, Associate 
Professor, Indian School of Inter- 
national Studies, New Delhi 

6- Shri S. Sukhdev, Film Director, 
Bombay. 

All of them arc eminent persons in their 
respective fields, 

(b) Only 2 meetings have so far taken 
place and the attendance of the non-official 
members was as follows : — 

First meeting held on 20th April, 1972 — 5 
Second meeting held on 14th June, 1972 — 2 

(c) The functions of the Publicity Advi- 
sory Group are to advise the Ministry of 
Information and Broadcasting on publicity 
matters in general, review the work done and 
the programmes put out by the media organi- 
sations under the Ministry, consider how they 
have reacted on public opinion and suggest 
what modifications are necessary and what 
programmes should be planned for the 
future. 

The deliberations of the group at the 
meetings have been helpful to the media units 
in formulating their publicity programmes. 

Short-fall in Industrial Production 

2310. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : 

SIIRI VAYALAR RAVI : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the 
target of and short-fall in the industrial 
production during the last three years, indus- 
trywise and public and private scctorwisc ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : Statement I showing targets and 
production figures of industries in Public 
Sector is laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3404/72] 

Statement II containing index of industrial 
production for both public and private sectors 
in respect of selected industries is laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in Library See No. 
LT— 3404/72] 


Expenditure on the Surrender of Dacoit* 
and grant made to Chambal Ghati Shanti 
Peace Mission 

2311. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : 

SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total expenditure incurred on the 
surrender of dacoits in Madhya Pradesh, 
Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan ; 

(b) the total Grant provided to Chambal 
Ghati Shanti Peace Mission, if any ; and 

(c) what are the proposals to rehabilitate 
the surrendered dacoits ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. 
H. MOHSIN) : (a) The information is being 
collected from the concerned State Govern- 
ments and wiH be laid on the Table of the 
House. 

(b) Rs. one lakh have been given as out 
right cash grant and Rs. 50,000 have been 
spent for providing various facilities by the 
Government of Madhya Pradesh. 

(c) An integrated development scheme 
for socioeconomic development of the area 
and, for the rehabilitation of the dacoits is 
being prepared by the Central Government 
in consultation with the concerned State 
Governments. 

Check on Increase In prices of Cars 

2312. SHRI P. GANGADEB s Will the 
MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether according to the Supreme 
Court Judgement on Car price issue the prices 
of cars are to be" revised on January 1 and 
July I every year ; and 

(b) whether any steps have been taken 
by Government to see that prices of cars do 
not increase every six months, and if so, the 
nature of steps taken ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The prices of cars are dependent on 
the prices of raw materials, mainly steel, and 
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units ; as well as on the wage bill, taxes etc. 
Steps are taken to have a check on the cost 
of the various items, however, they cannot be 
controlled by Government action alone. 
Further, Government have taken steps to 
license a large number of units in the ancillary 
Bector for the manufacture of components, so 
that the car manufacturers can purchase 
these components at economic prices which 
will result from keen competition amongst a 
large number of supplying units. 

Unsatisfactory Delhi Postal Service 

2213. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether numerous complaints arc 
received about unsatisfactory postal service in 
Delhi ; 

(b) if so, the steps being taken to improve 
the postal service in the capital to ensure 
timely delivery ; and 

(c) the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
A few complaints have been received regar- 
ding delay in delivery of letters. 

(b) and (c). Continuous efforts are being 
made to improve the services ; measures have 
been taken to 

( i ) combat absenteeism amongst postmen 
staff 

(li) ensure punctual running of mail 
motor service and 

(iii) rationalise the beats of postmen. 

Effect of Expansion of T. V. on Film 
Industry 

2314. SHRI R S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the introduction of Television 
service has had any adverse effect on the film 
industry in the country so far ; 

(b) if so, the steps taken to safeguard 
the interest of the film industry with the pro- 
posed expansion of Television service ; and 

(c) whether Government have consulted 
representatives of the film industry in this 
regard and if so, their views thereon ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 


BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) Yes, Sir The Government is unable 
to ^grec to the view of the Film Federation of 
India that the T. V. programmes in Delhi 
have affected film shows. 

Feasibility Report for setting up Indus- 
tries In Laccadive, Minicoy and Amin- 
dive Islands 

2315. SHRI R. S. PANDEY s Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether a feasibility study of starting 
small scale industries in the Laccadive, 
Minicoy and Amindive Islands was under- 
taken by Geological Survey of India and 
Council of Scientific and Industrial Research ; 

(b) whether the study has since been 
completed and if so, the findings thereof ; and 

(c) the steps taken to encourage indus- 
trialists to set up small industries there and 
the incentives offered to them for the purpose ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SIIRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) to (c). Information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House. 

Emergency Plan for Machine Tools 

2316. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the National Committee on 
Science and Technology has prepared the 
Emergency Plan for Machine Tools ; and 

(b) if so, broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- 
MANIAM) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The Emergency Plan is a task orien- 
ted programme to develop those types of 
machines which are presently being imported 
and to generate necessary technological compe- 
tence so as to achieve self-reliance within a 
period of 3 to 5 years. The Hindustan Mac- 
hine Tools Ltd. and the Central Machine 
Tools Institute will be primarily involved in 
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Statehood for Pondicherry 

2317. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Pondicherry Chief Minister 
has approached the Centre for full Statehood 
for the Union territory ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Central Govern- 
ment thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Increase in Production of Paper and 
Paper Board 

2318. SHRI ARVIND NETAM s Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether production of paper and 
paper board in the country has increased 
during this year as compared to the previous 
years ; and 

(bj if so, the percentage of increase ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) The Production of paper and paper 
board during the year 1972 increased from 
7,58,549 tonnes to 7,80,828 tonnes. 

(b) The increase is about 3% 

Non* Medical Insurance Policy Scheme 
for Postal Staff 

2319. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Posts and Telegraphs Depart- 
ment is introducing in near future non-medi- 
cal Insurance Policies Scheme for Postal 
staff ; and 

(b) if so, the time by which a final 
decision will be taken and salier^ features of 
the scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) t (a) 
and (b). Non- medical scheme of business has 
been introduced in the Postal Life Insurance 
with effect from the 1st of June, 1972. The 
Scheme is applicable not only to the Postal 


Staff but also to all Other Central and State 
Government employees and the permanent 
employees of the Local Bodies who are eligible 
for PLf . Extra Departmental employees of the 
P&T and all Female lives have, however, 
been excluded from its purview. 

The salient features of the scheme are 
that an eligible person may be insured for a 
sum not exceeding Rs. 3,500/-or 24 times his 
monthly emoluments drawn (rounded off to 
the next lower Rs. 100/-), whichever is lower, 
without undergoing a medical examination. 
His age next birthday at entry should not 
exceed 28 years. Only Endowment Assurance 
policies maturing at ages 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 
58 and 60 are issued under this scheme. 

Indian postal Service Association’s Resolu- 
tion to P&T Board 

2320. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA s Will^the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Postal Service 
Association has submitted a Resolution to the 
Posts and Telegraphs Board wherein it has 
been suggested that an integrated Postal 
Training College be set up ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes Sir. 

(b) The matter is under consideration of 
the Government. 

Abduction of Girls in Delhi 

2321. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of HOME 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of girls abducted 
during the period from January to June, 1972 
in the Union territory of Delhi ; and 

(b) the number of girls not recovered so 
far and the reasons thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F . H. MOHSIN) : (a) 14. 

(b) 2 out of 14 girls have not so far been 
recovered. One girl could not be recovered 
despite the best efforts of the police. This 
case has been sent as untraccd and its inves- 
tigation will be re-opened as and when any 
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Efforts are still being made by the Delhi 
Police to recover the second girl. 

Industries in U. P. during Fourth Plan 

2322. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state the industrial units, 
both big and medium, which are likely to be 
set up in Uttar Pradesh during the Fourth 
Plan? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
In the central sector, provision has been made 
in the Fourth Five Year Plan for the comple- 
tion/setting up of the following projects in 
the State of Uttar Pradesh : — 

1, Bharat Heavy Elec. Ltd., Hardwar. 

2. Gorakhpur Fertilizer. 


3. Triveni Structural, Nairn. 

4. Bharat Pumps & Compressors, Naini. 

5. Gas Cylinder, Naini. 

6. Long Distance Transmission Equipment 
Factory Naini. 

7. Second Telephone Factory, Naini. 

8. Tannery & Footwear Corporation, 
Kanpur. 

9. Kanpur Fertilizers (Govt, share) 

10. Indian Drugs & Pharmaceuticals Ltd. 
(Antibiotics Factory), Rishikesh. 

In the private sector, the number of 
industrial licensing applications received, 
licences and letters of intent issued, during 
the last three years in respect of the State of 
Uttar Pradesh are as given below : — 


Year 

No. of applications 

1 received under I (D&R) 

| Act. 1951 

No. of licences issued 

1 No. of letters 
| of intent 

issued 

1969 

91 ( 42) 

8 ( 2) 

24(10) 

1970 

242 (130) 

26 ( 4) 

29(20) 

1971 

334 (227) 

48 (13) 

100(70) 

1972 
(up to 
30-6-1972) 

162 (125) 

23 ( 8) 

61(49) 


NOTE : Figures in brackets refer to new industrial undertakings. 


loss incurred by A. I. R. Programme 
Journals 

2323. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether all the programme journals 
published by the A. I. R. with the exception 
of Vanoli (Tamil) are running at a loss and 
that the major contributors to the loss in 
1968-69 have been Akashvani (English), Akas- 
hvani (Hindi) and Awaz (Urdu) ; 

(b) whether Government have tried to 
analyse the factors responsible for this loss ; 
and 

(c) if so, whether any effective steps are 
proposed to be taken to make these journals 
self-supporting ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SIN HA) ; (a) All the Programme Journals 
are running at loss, including Vanoli (Tamil). 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The format, printing and quality of 
production of Akashwani (English) have been 
changed recently with a view to making it 
more attractive. After assessing the success of 
these measures, similar steps will be considered 
in respect of the other journals. 

Decline in Circulation of Air Journals 

2324. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARAS- 
HAR J Will the Minister of INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the average circulation per 




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issue of all the 8 Programme Journals of All 
India Radio has registered a decline every 
year since 1966, in spite of the opening of 
additional stations, introduction of new pro- 
grammes and sharp increase in Broadcas- 
ting Receiving sets ; 

(b) if so, the reasons for this decline ; and 

(c) the steps proposed to be taken to 
counter this trend ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Mainly due to the fact that listeners 
get the details of important programmes 
through daily announcements over radio 
stations and in local newspapers. 

(c) Steps to improve the printing and 
get up of these journals are under considera- 
tion and a beginning has already been made in 
the case of Akashvani (English) by introduc- 
ing changes in the format, quality of printing 
and paper. 

Delay in Commissioning of Transmitters 

2325. PROF. NARAIN CIIAND PARA- 
SIIAR : Will the Minister of INFORMATION 
\ND BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been a delay rang- 
ing from 5 to 36 months in commissioning of 
transmitters after their installation in the past 
three years ; 

(b) if so, whether Government have 
ascertained the causes for this inordinate 
delay ; and 

(c) whether any steps are proposed to be 
taken by Government to eliminate such 
delays ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) s (a) Only in the case of the 
transmitter at Leh there was a delay exceed- 
ing five months between installation of trans- 
nutter and inauguration. In other cases the 
time-lag has not been more than about three 
months. In many cases, it has been much 
l'*ss. 

(b) and (c). The delay at Leh was 
because .the transmitter was installed in 
November 1970 but due to the extreme cold 
it was decided to inaugurate the Station in 


June 1971 after acclimatizing the staff to 
high altitude conditions. 

Reorganization of Broadcasting Services 

2326. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have any plan 
for the reorganisation of the Broadcasting 
Services especially when it has rejected the 
recommendation of the Chanda Committee 
for instituting an autonomous Corporation 
under an Act of Parliament ; and 

(b) if so, the period by which such a 
reorganisation would be completed ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes.Sir. 

(b) No definite time limit for the com- 
pletion of the reorganization can be indicated 
at this stage as a final decision can only be 
taken after full consideration of all aspects of 
the matter and consultation with the authori- 
ties concerned. 

Installation of a 100 KW MW Transmitter 
at Simla 

2327. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether 100 KW MW transmitter to 
be installed at Simla was received in Decem- 
ber, 1967 and that there was delay of 23 
months in its inauguration commissioning ; 

(b) if so, the causes for delay ; and 

(c) whether any responsibility has been 
fixed for this inordinate delay causing a 
serious blockade of funds ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) i (a) The high power medium wave 
transmitter for Simla was received in July- 
September, 1967 and commissioned on 
25.1.1971. 

(b) There was some initial delay in select- 
ing the site as the site earlier selected could 
not be released by the Ministry of , Defence. 
Further delay occurred on account of the fact 
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amount of levelling before building construc- 
tion could begin. 

(c) As the delay was due to factors beyond 
the control of All India Radio the question of 
fixing responsibility does not arise. 

Documentary on Netaji Bose 

2328. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government decided to pro- 
duce a documentary film on life and activities 
of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose some three 
years back ; if so, the reasons for inordinate 
delay in its production ; 

(b) whether it will be released before the 
next birthday celebration of Netaji on 23rd 
January, 1973 ; 

(c) whether documentary films on and 
photos of Netaji have *been collected from 
Japan and South East Asian countries and 
Germany, Italy and other European countries 
for the film on Netaji under production ; 

(d) whether a documentary on Netaji 
and I. N. A. was shown on India under the 
control of Sardar Patel and then it was 
handed over to the Congress I. N. A. Aid 
Committee ; 

(e) whether that documentary has been 
found out and given to the producer for using 
as materials for the film on Netaji : and 

(f) the salient features of the film ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. A film on Netaji 
was included in programme of the Films Di- 
vision over three years ago. Leading film 
directors were approached and it took about 
a year to assign the film. The first director 
Shri Mrinal Sen gave up the assignment for 
personal reasons. It took more time before 
Shri Ashis Mukherjee was assigned in Novem- 
ber 1970. He later asked for enhancement of 
the contract amount and facilities which arc 
under consideration of Government. 

(b) No, Sir. However, the Films Divi- 
sion proposes to prepare a short film on 
Netaji for release on his birthday on 23.1.1973 
by using the film material available with the 
Division. 

(c) Efforts were made to collect the film 
coverages on the life and activities of Netaji 


Bose particularly of the Azad Hind struggle 
period but they were not very successful. Only 
a 16 mm film on Net^yi from Germany and a 
silent news reel item from Japan which shows 
Netaji going to talk on the radio, could be 
obtained so far. 

(d) The documentary film on Netaji 
which was produced by the I. N. A. Defence 
Committee was shown in India in almost all 
the States ; but Government have no informa- 
tion about the handing over of the film to the 
Congress I. N. A. Aid Committee. 

(e) No, Sir. 

(f) The film under production is a two- 
reel, Black and white film of a biographical 
nature. 

Honours to persons who rendered patriotic 

services for National Development 

2329. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether along with the freedom 
fighters, special honour will be given to those 
belonging to the various sertions of the 
society, who have rendered 25 years of 
patriotic service by their contribution in the 
various fields in consolidating and building 
our national freedom ; 

(b) whether special achievements and 
talents in various spheres of national develop- 
ments would also be given special recognition 
so that a new sense of dignity and honour 
can be developed in encouraging services in 
the national-building efforts ; and 

(c) if so, the plan drawn there about ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. G. PANT) : (a) to (c). Government 
have been recognising distinguished service by 
individuals in different walks of life through 
the Padma Awards. It is not proposed to 
institute any special awards for this purpose 
during the 25th Independence Jayanti. 

25th Anniversary Celebrations of Indian 
Independence 

2330. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether special ceremonial functions 
will be held in observing the 25th year of 
Indian freedom in Andaman and Nicobar 
Islands, particularly at Port Blair and Anda- 



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man Cellular Jail where Netaji Subhas 
Chandra Bose raised first flag of Indian 
freedom and had set up Indian administration 
of Free India Government at Moirang in 
Manipur, where INA raised the National 
Flag and Headquarter of Free India Govern- 
ment was set up ; at Kohima, where the 
epic battle of freedom was fought by INA 
and in those jails elsewhere, where INA 
prisoners were hanged ; 

(b) whether special functions will be 
held in all jails where India revolutionaries 
were hanged ; 

(c) whether martyr's columns will be raised 
in all the big towns of India in commemora- 
tion of the national martyrs of our freedom 
struggle ; and 

(d) if so, the main features of such pro- 
gramme ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. Cl. PANT) : (a) Accoiding to informa- 
tion received so far, the Andaman Administra- 
tion would unveil on the 15th August, 1972, 
a plaque containing the names of the twelve 
martyrs, who died in the Cellular Jail at 
Port Blair in the cause of Freedom. 

(b) Other State Governments have given 
no information on this point, 

(c) and (d). According to the National 
level programme for 25th Independence 
Jayanti, Commemorative Stone slabs, with 
inscription of the Preamble to the Constitution 
on one side and the names of the freedom 
fighters of the local area on the other arc to 
be installed one in each block — all over the 
country during the Jayanti Year. 

In addition, it has been suggested to State 
Governments to consider putting up some 
monuments or suitable memorials at places 
associated with social events in the freedom 
struggle. 

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Legislation for banning Communal Orga- 
nisations and Parties 

2334. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whethei there is any proposal under 
consideration of Government to introduce 
suitable legislation for the banning of commu- 
nal organisations and parties in the country ; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 

MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The 
object of the Criminal Law (Amendment) 
Act, 1972, which was enacted by Parliament 
in the last Budget Session, is, inter alia , to deal 
with associations whose activities are prejudi- 
cial to the maintenance of communal harmony 
and to the interests of national integration. 

(b) The Act enlarges the scope of section 
153, I. P. C. so as to penalise those kinds of 
drills or exercises organised with the intention 
or with the knowledge that persons trained in 
such activities should resort to violence against 
any religious, racial, language or regional group 
or caste or community and such activity causes 
or is likely to cause fear or alarm or a feeling 



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282 


of insecurity amongst members of such group 
or caste or community. A new section 153B 
I. P. G. has also been inserted to penalise 
imputations, assertions prejudicial to national 
integration. Further, the scope of the Unlaw- 
ful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967 has been 
enlarged to include in the definition of “unlaw- 
ful association” also associations which have for 
their object any activity which is punishable 
under section 153 A or under the new section 
153B I. P. C. or which encourage or aid 
persons to undertake any such activity or 
whose members undertake any such activity. 

Study Team visiting places in Tamil 
Nadu where Police fired in July, 1972 

2335. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Study Team visited the 
places in Tamil Nadu State where police 
fired at the public at several places in the first 
week of July, 1972 ; and 

(b) if so, whether the study team has 
submitted its report to Government and if so, 
the findings thereof and Government’s reaction 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Government had not 
deputed any such Study Team to Tamil 
Nadu. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

Raj Bhavans in the Country 

2336. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Raj Bhavans together 
with their locations in the country and their 
original cost of construction in each case ; 

(b) the cost of furnishings of each Raj 
Bhavan ; and 

(c) the amount spent on maintenance on 
each Raj Bhavan annually ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). The informa- 
tion is being collected and will be laid on the 
table of the House. 


Scheme for Training and Assistance to 

Engineers by S. S» I. S. I. f Jaipur 

2337. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO- 
DKAR : 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the report appearing in the 
Hindustan Times, dated the 7th July, 1972 
regarding the twin schemes of training and 
assistance to engineers launched by the Small 
Scale Industries Seivice Institute in Jaipur, 
Rajasthan ; and 

(b) if so, whether such schemes are 
proposed to be introduced in other States also 
and whether these will solve unemployment 
among engineers ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. In order to solve 
unemployment among engineers/technicians 
and other educated unemployed pci sons, the 
Government of India have motivated two 
schemes, viz. training of and assistance to 
engineers entrepreneurs for self-employment 
and a scheme for assisting educated unemp- 
loyed. These schemes arc already in existence 
in all States and Union Territories. Unem- 
ployed engineers are trained to be entrepre- 
neurs under one of the schemes by 29 institu- 
tes throughout the country. The other schems 
aims at providing assistance to the educated 
unemployed in the form of equity capital, 
machinery on hii e-pui chase, industrial and 
commercial estates and assistance to techni- 
cians’ Co-operatives within a ceiling of Rs. 6.5 
crores per annum. 

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Slow growth rate in Electronics Industry 

2342. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the growth rate of the Elec- 
tronics Industry has considerably slowed down 
in 1971-72 ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) the steps taken to step up production 
in the electronic industry ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). The production 
of electronics has been steadily increasing 
from 1964-G5, when the Bhabha Committee 
Report was published. From a total produc- 
tion of Rs. 30.5 crores of electronic devices 
and components in that year, the production 
stepped upto Rs. 175 crores in 1970-71. The 
data for the year 1971-72 as brought out in 
the Annual Report of the Department for the 
year 1971-72 indicates a production of 
Rs. 185.5 crores. The production for that 
year as expected earlier was Rs. 225 crores. 
However, th<' production of radios which had 
shown significant increases in earlier years 
did not show substantial increase in the year 
1971-72 ; and this has to a significant extent 
resulted in lower production for the electro- 
nics industry as a whole than what was 
expected earlier. 

In this connection, it may be emphasised 
that the impoit content allowed per radio set 
is Rs. 0.25 and the investments in this sector 
are small. There are, therefore, no restrictions 
on production which is essentially defined 
by demand ; even in the case of firms 
requiring licences in this sector their produc- 
tion is well below the approved capacities. 

It may also be mentioned that the produc- 
tion figures given in the Annual Report are 
not based on actual production returns but 
are the best estimates that can be made. 
Production of a number of electronic items in 
significant quantities is being undertaken in 
the small-scale sector for which correct statis- 
tical data is not easily available. 

(c) The Electronics Commission is aware 
of this trend and has set up technical sections 
to go round the country and to discuss with 
private and public undertakings and individual 
entrepreneurs and to persuade them to take 
to the production of items which are needed 
in the country and arc presently being 


imported, and to assist them in dealing with 
their problems. 

Check on Brain Drain 

2343. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any proposal is under consi- 
deration of Government to check the brain 
drain and induce Indian Scientists abroad to 
return to India ; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the propo- 
sal ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMANI- 
AM) : (a) and (b). Some of the measures 
taken to facilitate the return of Indian 
Scientists and Technologists are given in the 
Statement attached. 

Statement 

(1) Arrangements have been made for 
enrolment of Indian Scientists and 
Technologists abroad in the Special 
Section of the National Register of 
Scientific and Technical Personnel 
maintained by C S. I. R. 

(2) The particulars of Indian Scientists 
and Technologists enrolled in the 
Special Section of the National 
Register are published periodically in 
separate classified lists for engineers, 
scientists, doctors, etc. by C. S. I. R. 
and sent to all Ministries, Depart- 
ments of Government of India, State 
Governments, Union and State 
Public Service Commissions, Univer- 
sities, Public Sector Industries and 
large private sector establishments to 
facilitate their absorption. 

(3) The Union Public Service Commis- 
sion have agreed to treat Indian 
Scientists and Technologists whose 
particulars appear in these classified 
lists as “Personal Contact” candidates 
for all posts advertised by them. 
Some of the State Public Service 
Commissions have also agreed to 
treat such persons as personal contact 
candidates for posts advertised by 
them. 

(4) A Scientists* Pool was created under 



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the Government of India, Ministry of 
Home Affairs (Manpower Directorate) 
Resolution No. 8/5/57- MP, dated 
15th October, 1958, for the temporary 
placement of well qualified Indian 
Scientists and Technologists without 
an employment. The Pool is adminis- 
tered by the G. S. I. R. Candidates 
selected arc paid a fixed salary some- 
where between Rs. 400.00 and 
Rs. 700.00 p. m. and other allowances 
at the Central Government rules. 
In exceptional cases, salary above 
Rs. 700.00 is also offered. The selected 
candidates are attached to suitable 
organisations and receive their salary 
from the date they start work. They 
are free to apply for any employment 
in India and leave the Pool on 
securing one. 

(5) The National Registir Unit of C. S. 
I. R. issues a monthly Bulletin called 
“Technical Manpower” which pub- 
lishes among other things, particulars 
of scientists and technologists selected 
for appointment to the Pool from 
different countries. Vacancies availa- 
ble in India for qualified scientists and 
technologists are also published. 
Copies of the Bulletin are sent to all 
India Missions abroad and all impor- 
tant University Centres in U. K., 
U- S. A. and other countries. It is 
also distributed to many (more than 
3000) employing agencies in the 
Public or Private sectors in India. 

(6) In August, 1963, all approved scien- 
tific institutions were authorised to 
create supernumerary posts for rapid 
recruitment of talented persons from 
abroad without having to go through 
the usual procedural delay. The 
scheme was extended ^n June, 1971 
to those who had not been abroad, so 
that they may not have to go abroad 
for lack of employment. 

(7) In consultation with the Ministry of 
Home Affairs, the U. P. S. C. have 
made arrangements for interviewing 
Indian Scientists and Technologists 
abroad for posts in India. The Indian 
Scientists abroad arc considered in 
course of this interview, for one or 
more categories of vacancies existing 
as well as those likely to arise in the 
next twelve months, and are empane- 


lled depending upon their age, acade- 
mic qualifications and experience. 

The Government of India have deci- 
ded that on their selection to regular 
employment in India, Indian Scien- 
tists etc. abroad may be granted 
economy class air-fare for self and 
family to facilitate their return, 
provided they undertake to serve the 
organisation for a minimum period 
of 3 years. 

(8) The University Grants Commission 
have instituted a programme of 
appointing visiting Professors in 
Indian Universities for the benefit of 
scientists abroad. 

(9) For Technologists, a package assistance 
is proposed to be given to set up 
industry on their return. 

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Funds for New Units of H. M. T. 

2347. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO- 
GY be pleased to state the funds allocated 
for the purpose of setting up of new units of 
Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd. in the country 
in 1972-73 and 1973-74 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) 1 
The details of the funds provided for the 
new projects undertaken by Hindustan 
Machine Tools Ltd. Bangalore in 1972-73 are 
furnished below : 



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Rs. 

Watch Factory II, Bangalore 

105 lakhs 

Watch Factory III, Srinagar 

207 lakhs 

Press Division, Hyderabad 

140 lakhs 

Printing Machinery Project, 
Kalamassery (Kerala) 

150 lakhs 

Tractor Division, Pinjore 

100 lakhs 

Total : 

702 lakhs 

As regards 1973-74, the Budget proposals 
yet to be finalised. 


Non-Utilisation of Development Funds 
allotted to backward States 

2348. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
received complaints that ^ number of back- 
ward States in the country have not fully 
utilised the development funds allotted to 
them ; if so, the names of such States and 
amount of funds not utilised by them ; 

(b) the reasons for non-utilisation of 
these funds ; and 

(c) the action taken or proposed to be 
taken against such States ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) There has not 
been any shortfall in utilisation by the States 
considered to be backward, of the Plan 
outlays approved for the three years 1969-70, 
1970-71 and 1971-72. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Inquiry into the Working of H. E. L., 
Bhopal 

2349. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have ever 
inquired into the working of Heavy Electri- 
cals (India) Ltd , Bhopal ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to 
be taken to improve the working thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) and (b). Government keep a close watch 


on the working of Heavy Electricals (India) 
Limited, Bhopal. A high powered committee 
under the chairmanship of Shri M. S. 
Pathak, member. Planning Commission also 
recently went into the working of this under- 
taking and made certain recommendations 
to improve the performance of the unit. 
These recommendations have been accepted 
and are being implemented. 

Rapid progress being made by Public 
Sector 

2350. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Public Sector is making 
rapid progress in the country over the plan 
periods ; and 

(b) if so, the total investment upto the 
end of the Fourth Five Year Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The order of investment in the pub- 
lic sector which was Rs. 1560 crores for the 
First Plan, Rs. 3650 crores for the Second 
Plan, and Rs. 7180 crores for the Third Plan 
is likely to reach around Rs. 13,000 crores for 
the Fourth Five Year Plan period. 

Regional Disparities in per Capita Income 

2352. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the regional disparities in 
per capita income have widened in 1970-71 
as compared to 1960-61 ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). There 
is no conclusive statistical evidence to show 
that regional disparities in per capita income 
have widened between 1960-61 and 1969-70 
as comparable estimates of per capita income 
of States and regions on the basis of income 
accrual concept for this period arc not avail- 
able. Also, in view of the wide fluctuations 
in agricultural income which constitutes a 
significant proportion of the total income in 
the country and which occurred from year 
to year during this period owing to varying 



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weather conditions, it will not be appropriate 
to take the two terminal years, 1960-61 and 
1969-70, for the purpose of comparison of 
per capita income of States and regions. 

However, according to the comparable 
estimates as furnished by the Central Statis- 
tical Organisation for the period 1960-61 to 
1964-65 and 1967-68 to 1969-70, the per 
capita net domestic product (at current prices) 
of all the States has increased during this 
period though the rate of increase has not 
been uniform among the various States. 
Similar information for regions within the 
State boundaries is not available. 

The variations in growth rates were in- 
evitable to some extent on account of a 
variety of factors — variation in physio-geo- 
graphical conditions, natural endowments, 
socio-economic situations and infra-structures, 
degree of receptivity to modern technology- 
especially in the field of agriculture, etc. 

Surrender by Dacoits in Madhya Pradesh, 
Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan 

2353. SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTRI : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of dacoits surren- 
deied in Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh 
and Rajasthan at the call of Sarvodaya 
Leaders ; and 

(b) the Central assistance made available 
for the formulation and implementation of 
plan for socio-economic development of the 
Chambal ravines ? 

THE DEPUTV MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. I-I. MOHSIN) : (a) Several factors in- 
cluding the efforts made by Sarvodaya Wor- 
kers and the Central and the State Govern- 
ments concerned led to the surrender of 429 
dacoits from the middle of April to 22nd 
July, 1972. 

(b) An integrated development scheme 
including reclamation of the Chambal Ravines 
is being pepared by the Central Government 
in consultation with the Governments of 
Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pra- 
desh for the socio-economic development of 
the Chambal Valley area. 

Rare Earth Products 

2354. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 


the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is shortfall in the Rare 
Earths Products in the country due to the 
shortage of caustic soda and steel sheets for 
packing ; and 

(b) if so, the extent to which it has affec- 
ted production in different plants and the 
steps taken to increase the supply of these 
materials ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): 
(a) and (b). Owing to the shortage of caustic 
soda, there has been a shortfall of approxi- 
mately 8% against the target in the produc- 
tion of rare earths compounds by Indian 
Rare Earths Ltd.# Alwaye during 1971-72. 
As the production was not up to the target, 
the impact of shortage of steel on production 
was negligible. 

To the extent that there is a shortfall in 
the supply of caustic soda by their regular 
suppliers, the Company are making efforts to 
purchase their requirements from other 
sources. 

Setting up of a Heavy Water Plant in 
Kerala 

2355. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be 
pleased to refer to the reply given to Un- 
starred question No. 427 on 2nd August, 1972 
regarding the setting up of heavy water plants 
m the country and state : 

(a) whether Government have considered 
the possibility of setting up such a plant in 
Kerala ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF 
SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : 
(a) and (b). The economics of a heavy water 
plant is dependent on the availability of an 
Ammonia Plant of a minimum capacity of 
900 tonnes per day. There is no Ammonia 
Plant with such large capacity in Kerala. 



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Large Stocks of Zircon in Hare Earths 
Plants in Kerala 

2356. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the stocks of Zircon in the 
Rare Earths Plants in Keiala have piled up ; 

(b) whether the Government have consi- 
dered the possibilities of any alternative in- 
digenous use of this material ; and 

(c) if so, the steps taken to dispose of 
these stocks ? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): 

(a) There is no accumulation ol zircon in 
the mineral sands separation plant of Indian 
Rare Earths Ltd., at Chavara, Kerala. There 
is some accumulation however in their plant 
at Manavalakunchi, Tamil Nadu. 

(b) and (c). Indian Ran Earths Ltd. 
have already set up two plants, one at 
Chavara and the other at Manavalakurichi, 
to process zircon to cater to a wider market. 
It is hoped that with these steps and with 
continued marketing efforts, it will be possi- 
ble to reduce the stocks in spite of a world- 
wide glut of this mineral. 

Conversion of reserved vacancies for SC 
and ST candidates into general vacancies 
in the Planning Commission 

2357. SHRI AMBESH : Will the Minis- 
ter of PLANNING be pleased to state the 
number of posts, category-wise, referred to 
him for conversion into general vacancies, 
during the last three years for want of Sche- 
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribe candidates ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : During the last three 
years five Class I (gazetted) and eleven Glass 
II and Class III (non-gazetted) posts had to 
be de-reserved and declared general for want 
of suitable candidates from amongst the 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. 

According to the procedure laid down by 
the Department of Personnel for de-rcscrva- 
tion of reserved vacancies the approval of 
that Department has been obtained in the 


cases mentioned above. The cases are, how- 
ever, being scrutinized afresh. 

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Information and Broadcasting 

2359. SHRI AMBESH : Will the Minis- 
ter of INFORMATION AND BROADCAS- 
TING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Class I, II, III and 
IV employees in I and B Ministry ; 

(b) the number of Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes employees ; and 

(c) the number of posts, category-wise, 
converted into general vacancies in the last 
three years for want of Scheduled Tribe 
candidates ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). 



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(a) and (b). 


Category of 

Total Number of 

Number belonging to 

post 

employees 
(as on 1.1.72) 

Scheduled 

Castes 

Scheduled 

Tribes 

I 

997 

23 

5 

II 

2,195 

110 

24 

III 

7,660 

1,027 

247 

IV 

4,597 

1,304 

264 


(c) The information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House. 

Employment for Youth during Silver 
Jubilee Year 

2360. SHRI P. R. DAS MUNSI : Will 
the Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the Prune Minister has stated 
the Silver Jubilee Year as the year of younger 
generation ; 

(b) if so, whether the Prime Minister 
feels the acute problem of unemployed youth 
all over the country ; and 

(c) whether there is any specific pro- 
gramme to give employment to the youth 
immediately ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The Prime 
Minister has on several occasions impressed 
upon the youth of the country that the coun- 
try is theirs and that they have a great role 
in its development. Piimc Minister and the Gov- 
ernment are fully aware of the seriousness of 
the unemployment situation in the country. All 
possible steps are being taken to provide inc- 
reasing employment opportunities for the rural 
and urban youth. An allocation of about Rs. 
180 crores has been made in 1972-73 for 
employment programmes. Details arc as 
follows : 

(a) Schemes for educated unemployed : 

(Rs. crores) 

(1) Expansion and improvement of 


quality of primary education 

29.48 

(2) Financial assistance for setting 


up of industries 

6.50 

(3) Rural Engineering surveys 

2.85 

(4) Agro service centres 

0.76 


(5) Expansion of Consumer Co- 
operative Stores 0.50 

(6) Investigation of road projects 0.90 

(7) Setting up of design units for 

rural water supply 0.44 

(b) Schemes for highly qualified 
personnel such as engineers, 
technology and scientists 20.00 


(c) Special employment schemes 
undertaken by State Govern- 
ments on the basis of Central 
assistance amounting to Rs. 
26.5 crores and additional 
resouices mobilisation by 


them 

48.67 

(d) Special employment Schemes 


undertaken by Union Territo- 


ries 

0.50 

(e) Crash scheme for rural employ- 


ment 

50.00 

(f) Drought prone area program- 


mes 

20.00 


Besides, the programme like Small Far- 
mers Development Agencies and Marginal 
Farmers and Agricultural Labour are expect- 
ed to provide increasing employment 
opportunities to the youth in the rural areas. 
In order to enable -technical and other quali- 
fied persons to engage in productive activities, 
the State Bank of India and the other natio- 
nalised banks have been operating schemes of 
special assistance to entrepreneurs to set up 
small industries on their own under which 
liberal financial assistance is given. 

Further, 225 industrially backward dis- 
tricts have been selected to qualify for con- 
cessional finance for promotion of industries 
from the all India term -lending Financial 
Institutions ; out of these, 44 districts have 
also been selected to qualify for an outright 
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10 per cent of the fixed capital investment of 
new industrial units having an investment of 
not more than Rs. 50 lakhs each and also the 
existing units undertaking substantial expan- 
sion of their capacity. Number of districts 
entitled foi 10% subsidy has recently been 
raised to six in backward States and to three 
in other States. These measures are expected 
to stimulate industrial development in the 
backward areas resulting in a large number 
of employment opportunities. 

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Shortage of Specialised Men and Tech- 
nical Hands 

2362. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is an acute shortage of 
specialised men and technical hands especi- 
ally in Electronic line in the country ; and 

(b) if so, what steps Government propose 
to take to meet this shortage ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

cc Chitrahar Programme” over Delhi T.V. 

2363. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the songs and scenes screen- 
ed in the Television in “Chitrahar program- 
me” lack proper planning resulting in presen- 
tation of vulgar and obscene scenes from 
films ; and 

(b) whether Government propose to take 
steps to ensure proper selection of songs and 
scenes or replace it by some other piogramme 
of national urgency ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Chitrahar is a popular entertainment 
programme. There is no proposal to replace 
it by any other programme. 

Creation of a National Hydrological 
Board 

2364. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will the 
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLO- 
GY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the creation of National 
Hydrological Board as a high power inter- 
disciplinary body to tackle the country's water 
resources problem is under the consideration 
of the Government ; and 



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(b) if so, the reasons for creation of such 
a board ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) and (b). The creation of a 
National Hydrological Board is under consi- 
deration of the Government. 

Rent Restriction Laws in Chandigarh 

2365. SHRI AMAR NATH VIDYAL- 
ANKAR : Will the Minister of HOME 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Chandigarh is the only big 
town where exemption from all Rent Restric- 
tion Laws continues to be granted ; 

(b) whether representations have been 
made on behalf of Chandigarh citizens from 
time to time requesting for the imposition of 
Rent Restriction Laws in Chandigarh as app- 
lied elsewhere ; and 

(c) whether Government has come to 
any conclusion by now and if so, the decision 
taken in the matter ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H MOHSIN) : (a) Rent Control Act is 
in forc< in most of the states and Chandigarh 
is the only big town exempted from rent 
restriction laws. 

(b) Yes. 

(c) The matter is under consideration. 

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Opening of New Telephone Exchanges In 
Calcutta 

2367. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether it is planned to open thirteen 
new Telephone Exchanges in Calcutta ; 

(b) if so, the number of additional new 
lines which will be provided thereby ; and 

(c) whether the proposed new exchanges 

will have cross-bar equipment of American 
design ? • 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes Sir. It is proposed to open fifteen new 
telephone exchanges in Calcutta during the 
next 5 to 6 Years. Equipment for these have 
already been allotted. 

(b) These, new exchanges will add 51,800 
lines to the system. 

(c) 14 of the new exchanges will have 
pentaconta crossbar equipment manufactured 
by M/s. Indian Telephone Industries. One 
new exchange will have step by step equip- 
ment manufactured by M/s. Indian Tele- 
phone Industries. 

Alleged harassment of Persons by Police 
who Volunteer themselves to take Victim 
of Road Accident to Hospital 

2368. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM : 
Will the Minister* of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether persons who volunteer them- 
selves to carry the victim of road and other 
accidents in Delhi to the nearest hospital or 
provide immediate information to the Police 
are subjected to harassments and making 
forced statement by the Police ; 

(b) if so, whether Government propose to 
issue instructions to the police that in no case 
such persons should be harassed detained or 
forced to sign a statement ; 

(c) whether Government also propose to 



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make necessary amendment in the law so that 
the first informer may not be compelled to 
give his witness in the court ; and 

(d) whether Government propose to ins- 
titute awards and prizes to them who 
volunteer their services in such cases ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) No. Only one com- 
plaint of this nature has come to notice since 
1971. 

(b) The Delhi Police have already issued 
instructions to all concerned to avoid any 
harassment to such persons. 

(c) No. However, Delhi Police have 
issued orders that if such persons are not eye- 
witnesses, their affidavits be obtained for 
tendering in court and they need not be 
called for evidence. 

« 

(d) No. 

Disposal of Properties by Former Rulers 

2369. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the inalienability clause in 
relation to the palaces and properties of 
former Rulers is being revoked to enable them 
to dispose of their properties ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (b). Government 
of India had informed the former Rulers as 
early as in December, 1954 that it was for 
them to decide whether it would be in order 
to dispose of by sale or otherwise any of the 
items recognized by the Government as private 
properties. 

The former Ruler of Mysore has asked 
for permission to dispose of three of his 
palaces as in the inventory of private pro- 
perties these were shown as inalienable and 
to be preserved for use by the Ruler and his 
successors. The whole matter is under 
examination in consultation with the Govern- 
ment of Mysore. 

Trank Telephone Services in Andhra 

Pradesh 

2370. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 


be pleased to state : 

(a) the steps being taken during the 
current year to improve the Trunk Telephone 
services in Andhra Pradesh ; 

(b) whether the proposed Microwave 
system from Madras via Tirupati to Bangalore 
will link up Chittoor town en route ; and 

(c) when this scheme is likely to be 
executed ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Over a hundred trunk switch-boards have been 
made available this year to Andhra P & T 
Circle for installation in the Circle. Further 
allotments of trunk switch-boards are being 
made as planned for improving the trunk 
service. 

The Secunderabad trunk exchange is being 
shifted to a more spacious location. Another 
large trunk exchange is under installation at 
Kakinada. Subscribers Trunk Dialling has 
been planned on the following routes : 

(i) Guntur-Vijayawada, 

(ii) Hydcrabad-Bombay, 

(iii) Hyderabad-Vijayawada, 

(iv) Hyderabad-Madras, 

(v) Madras- Vijayawada, 

( vi) Madras-T i rupathi , 

These arc under various stages of installation/ 
planning. STD service on the Guntur-Vijaya- 
wada route is expected to be commissioned 
within a year. 

(b) No, Sir. 

(c) The microwave system linking Madras 
to Mangalore and Madras to Tirupati which 
form part of Bombay-Mangalore-Madras and 
Mangalore-Trivandrum microwave routes are 
likely to be progressively commissioned from 
1974-75 onwards. 

Telephone Division at Chittoor 

2371. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a need and justifica- 
tion for setting up a separate Telephones 
Division at Chittoor ; 

(b) if so, the steps taken in this regard ; 

and 



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Written Answers 


306 


(c) if not, when Government propose to 
undertake to set up the Division ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) The proposal will be considered when 
the work load of Chittoor Telephone System 
reaches the prescribed norm. 

Investment in Industry 

2372. SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the reasons why investment in industry 
has not taken place according to the Fourth 
Plan projections resulting in industrial stagna- 
tion : 

(b) what are the existing policies that 
need modification to improve the climate 
without whittling down the concept of growth 
with social justice ; and 

(c) how soon these changes will be brought 
about ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) to (c). The trend of investments in 
industry has been reviewed on the occasion 
of the mid-term appraisal of the Fourth Plan. 
It was found that there have been apprecia- 
ble short-falls in the public sector largely due 
to slippages in the schedules of construction. 
Precise figures relating to private investments 
in the organised sector are not available. 
While the levels of the capital raised in the 
market and the disbursement of funds by the 
term lending institutions have shown increasing 
trends, the total investments in the private 
sector have so far remained below the levels 
envisaged in the plan. However, there are 
indications that conditions are generally 
conducive to accelerated development in the 
future, as shown by the general level of 
demand for industrial goods and the broad 
Picture of investible resources for industry. 
The licensing policy has already been oriented 
to provide for liberal licensing and to promote 
growth in a broad based manner. The num- 
ber of letters of intent and licences issued has 
been substantially stepped up. The approvals 
for foreign collaboration, where necessary, and 


for the import of capital goods have been 
speeded up. Government has also announced 
certain liberalisations for the fuller utilisation 
of existing capacities. The investment and 
production trends in industry are under 
continuous watch by Government. 

Permits for Foreign Tourists who visit 
Darjeeling 

2373. SHRI S. G. SAMANTA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state whether foreign tourists are required to 
obtain permits to visit Darjeeling but are not 
required to do so when they visit places like 
Srinagar in Kashmir and if so, the reasons 
therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : Darjeeling has been 
declared as restricted area under the Foreigners 
(Restricted Areas) Order, 1963, and as such 
foreigners desiring to visit that place are 
rcquir^l to obtain permits. According to the 
requirements of security, certain areas and 
places in Jammu and Kashmir have also 
similarly been declared as restricted or pro- 
hibited areas in which Srinagar has not been 
included. 

Purchase of Industrial Plants through 
NSSIC on Rupee Payment 

2374. SHRI DALIP SINGH: Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether several proposals for purchase 
through National Small Scale Industries Cor- 
poration of Industrial Plants from rupee- 
payment countries like U.S.S.R are pending 
only for want of funds ; and 

(b) if so, the time by which the funds 
would be made available for the purpose ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. Certain cases of that kind are 
pending with the National Small Industries 
Cdrporation Ltd. 

(b) NSIC is resuming issue of orders on a 
restricted scale consistent with the present 
availability of funds and national priorities. 



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Written Answers 


308 


bsae of Licence for setting up of Tractor 
Factory at Pratapgarh (U. P.) 

2375. SHRI DINESH SINGH : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the party to whom a Letter 
of Intent was issued to set up a Tractor 
Factory at Pratapgarh, U. P. ha9 taken steps 
to establish the Factory ; 

(b) if so, when is it likely to be com- 
pleted ; and 

(c) if not, the action being taken by 
Government in the matter ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
(a) The party had submitted the draft colla- 
boration agreement whick. they propose to 
enter into with their foreign principals. The 
terms of collaboration have been approved. 
The party had also submitted their applica- 
tion for import of capital goods which has 
been considered by Government. 

(b) and (c). The project is likely to be 
completed in three to four year’s time. 

Transfer of P & T Employees from 
Trichur Telephone Exchange 

2376. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : 

SHRI M. K. KRISHNAN : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of employees of the 
Posts and Telegraphs Department (Telephones) 
who have been transferred from Trichur 
(Kerala) Exchange recently ; and 

(b) the reasons for their transfers ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Five. 

(b) On administrative grounds in the 
interest of service. 

Meeting of Gronp of Ministers of 
“Production” Ministries 

2377. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state the important 
decisions arrived at the first meeting of the 


newly set-up Group of Ministers of ,f Produc- 
tion Ministries*' to clear the hurdles in the 
industrial growth ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
The Honourable Member presumably refers 
to the informal meetings of Ministers for 
Planning, Steel and Mines, Railways, Petro- 
leum and Chemicals, Industrial Development 
and Foreign Trade. This is an informal 
group. Specific dicisions are taken in the 
concerned Ministries and, when necessary, in 
the Cabinet or in the concerned Committee 
of the Cabinet. 

Amount allotted to Kerala for providing 
Jobs to Educated Unemployed 

2378. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- 
KAPPAN : Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total amount allotted to the State 
Government of Kerala in order to implement 
the scheme for providing jobs to the educated 
unemployed during the year 1971-72 and 
1972-73 ; year-wise ; and 

(b) how much money has so far been 
spent thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING ( SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). The 

details of the amount allocated and finally 
released to the Government of Kerala for 
schemes for educated unemployed initiated 
in 1971-72 and 1972-73 are indicated below :- 

(Rs. lakhs) 

1971-72 1972-73 

Scheme Amount Amount Amount 

allocated released allocated 

Expansion and 
improvement of 


primary education 
Assistance for 

15.86 

12.20 

97.86 

setting up in- 
dustries 

48.00 

15.70 

35.00 

Rural engineer- 
ing survey 

0.95 

Nil 

5.43 

Advance action 




on investigation , 
of road works 

0.85 

0 85 

2.55 

Rural water supply 

0 70 

Nil 

1.20 


66.36 

28.75 

142.04 



309 Re. Motion for Adjnmt. 


SRAVANA 23, 1894 (SAJCA) Re. Motion for Atfjnmt. 310 


Releases for 1972-73 will be made by the 
Government of India to the State Government 
depending on the progress of the schemes. 

Proposals made by North Eastern Council 
for extension of Railways from Dharma- 
nagar to Agartala 

2379. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
* state : 

(a) whether North Eastern Council has 
discussed the problem of extension of Railway 
from Dharmanagar to Agartala for integrated 
development of that region ; 

(b) whether any proposal has been made 
by the Council for improving road transport 
system in that region ; and 

(c) if so, the main points of the propo- 
sals ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). With the 
enforcement of the North Eastern Council 
Act, 1971 as from 1st August, 1972, the 
Council has come into existence only from 
that date. The Council has not met so far. 

12.03 hrs. 

RE : MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I 
rise on a point of order ( Interruptions ). 

MR. SPEAKER : What is the point of 
order ? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I rise on a 
point of order under Rule 376 (2) . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : The Speaker does not 
normally announce his decision in the House 
itself ; he conveys it to the office that such and 
such a matter has not been admitted. Please 
do not arise it in this manner in the House. 
Why do you go beyond the convention of the 
House ? ( Interruptions ) It connot be allowed 
as an adjournment motion. I have already 
conveyed it to hon. Members that it cannot 
be allowed as an adjournment motion. If 
there is a dispute between the Corporation 
of Bombay and the labour, how can it come 
here ? At the same time, broad questions 
cannot be the subject-matter of an adjournment 
motion, They can table other motions for 
discussion, but they cannot discuss it through 
an adjournment motion. Adjournment 


motion has its own rules about it. (Inter* 
ruptions ). As hon. Members know, broad 
questions of policy cannot be discussed through 
an adjournment motion. There have been a 
number of rulings in this House before also 
that lock-outs, strikes etc. cannot come 
through an adjournment motion . . . 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE* On a point 
of order . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry it cannot 
be allowed as an adjournment motion. 

SHRI K.D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj) : 
I want to make a very serious effort to under- 
stand what this uneasiness from the Opposi- 
tion side is about . . . (Interruptions) 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I rise on a 
point of order . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : So far as the Speaker’s 
ruling is concerneg, there can be no point 
of order on the question of admitting the 
adjournment motion. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly see 
the business before the House. I am raising 
the point of order under the rule 367 (2) 
which says : 

“A point of order may be raised in 

relation to the business before the House 

at the moment.” 

At the moment . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed it. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly hear 
me, Sir. I am not questioning your ruling. 
Under Direction 56 of the Directions by the 
Speaker, an adjournment motion always gets 
precedence over a calling-attention-notice. 
As you are aware, there is a strike going on 
in Bombay, and this is because of the failure 
of Government to evolve a formula for mini- 
mum bonus for the employees or workers . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not bring 
in the subject through a point of order . . . 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Further, not 
more than one matter shall be discussed, and 
the motion shall be restricted to specific 
matter of recent occurrence . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. He can 
see me in my chamber. I am prepared to 
discuss, but not in the House. ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : (Alipore) : 
This is a vital matter in which Central 



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Re. Motion for Ajjnmt. 


312 


[Shri Indrajit Gupta] 

Government policy is involved* That is why 
I want to raise it. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is about 
the employees of the Corporation of 
Bombay. Flow can it come in Parliament ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) s The failure of the Central 
Government is established in regard to the 
evolution of a bonus formula ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Tomorrow 
if the port and dock workers go on strike 
in Bombay, it will have to be raised here. 

MR. SPEAKER : So far as this question 
is concerned, I cannot give my consent to 
the adjournment motion. 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI R£J BAHADUR) : 
May I request that when you are stan- 
ding, Sir, they must not keep standing ? 
(Interruptions). 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Why did 
he stand up when you are standing ? 

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SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose— 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Raja- 
pur) : On a point of order. 


MR. SPEAKER : No. They can see me 
in my chamber. But the ruling on the 
admissibility of the adjournment motion can 
not be discussed in the House. We can meet 
and discuss. We can find another way of 
bringing this issue here, but so far as this mat- 
ter is concerned, an adjournment motion can 
not come under this. You can find other 
ways of bringing the issue here. # 

PROF. MADFIU DANDAVATE : I 
want to know whether raising a point of 
order is out of order. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing it. 

I am not preparrd to hear him on that. 
How can they bring in an adjournment motion 
over a matter over which I cannot decide ? 

( Interruptions ). I have already explained it to 
Prof. Dandavate. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am 
rasing another issue. When I met you in your 
chamber, I had said something about what 
is happening in the city of Bombay, how the 
autonomy of the Corporation is being 
destroyed. I am not raising that issue here. 
In my adjournment motion, the failure of the 
Central Government to evolve an agreed 
formula in regaid to bonus formally in con- 
sultation with the centra] trade unions has 
resulted in a situation where there may be 
strikes throughout the country . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : No, no. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : This 
is an all India Issue. The Bonus Review 
Committee is within the purview of the 
Central Government . . (Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : All I say is that, if the 
Minister wants he may come out with a 
statement. If you so desire, this matter can 
be brought up through call attention motion 
or something, not J through adjournment 
motion. . (Interruptions). Mr. Khadilkar has 
come and 1 shall explain it to him. They 
came through an adjournment motion which 
I have not accepted. The Opposition leaders, 
Shri Indrajit Gupta, Prof. Dandavate. . . . 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : All the oppo- 
sition people . . (Interruptions.) 

MR. SPEAKER : They said that some 
strike was going on. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We are not 
averse to a discussion. The main question 
is whether it could be discussed m the form 



313 Re. Motion for Atfjnmt. SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SARA) Re. Motion for Adjnmt. 314 


of an adjournment motion. You very rightly 
said that it could not be discussed that way. 
Therefore we can discuss it in the Business 
Advisory Committee. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : You want 
the strike to continue ? 

MR. SPEAKER : You bring in matters 
which are not within our jurisdiction. 
.... ( Interruptions .) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : If it is a 
matter which does not concern the Central 
Government, please do not ask us to send call 
attention notices. What is the logic ? If we 
can raise it through other motions, we can 
raise it through adjournment motion also. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a matter for 
adjournment motion. ... {Interruptions). Mr. 
Khadilkar. 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : I should like to know what is the 
demand ? . . . . ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : The demand is this, 
I have not allowed the adjournment motion 
that came. But they say this concerns the 
Central Government and the strike is there 
between the Bombay Corporation and its 
employees. The second question is the question 
of bonus, which they say is an all-India ques- 
tion. In the motion that came to me day be- 
fore yesterday from Mr. Dandavate, only the 
strike was mentioned, which I did not accept. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : That 
is not correct. 

MR. SPEAKER : They have added this 
question of bonus today, over which the 
Government of India has not yet decided. I 
have not accepted the adjournment motion 
but I wish you collect the facts about it and 
come out with a statement. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : I do 
not think hence forward any member of the 
Opposition is going to be able to convince 
you about when an adjournment motion 
should or should not be tabled. Therefore I 
suggest a drastic change of procedure which 
will remove the discretion from the hands of 
the Speaker about giving consent to an 
adjournment motion. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not bound to 
tell the House the reasons. If the hon. mem- 
bers meet me in my chamber I can tell 


them. I convey it to them through the 
secretariat. They tell them the reasons. 
(Interruptions). Every day we discuss several 
matters through calling attention motions, under 
Rule 377 and in so many other ways, which 
I allow. But an adjournment motion must 
come within the rules prescribed for it. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : This does come. 

MR. SPEAKER : It does not come. 
You get so many opportunities in the past 
members did not get it. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Before 
the Labour Minister makes a statement, we 
want a categorical formulation. With great 
respect to you, may I say, I have not raised 
merely the issue of the Bombay strike ? What 
I have raised is the failure of the Union 
Government to evolve an acceptable bonus 
formula, acceptable to all Central Trade 
Union Organisations, resulting in country 
wide discontent amongst industrial labour, as 
evidenced by the strike of 1.50 lakh workers 
in Bombay. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Raj nandgaon) : 
You have ruled out the adjournment motion. 
You further said that unless a calling atten- 
tion is there, the House cannot discuss the 
Bombay strike. I want to know whv you are 
asking the minister to make a statement. I do 
not challenge your ruling but when there is 
no business before the House so far as the 
stiike in Bombay is concerned — there is neither 
an adjournment motion nor at calling attention 
now-why are you asking the minister to make 
a statement ? You have ruled out the adjourn- 
ment motion on the strike because it is a 
State subject. About bonus also, there is no 
calling attention. ( Interruptions ). 

MR. SPEAKER : My exclusion of the 
adjournment motion does not deprive them 
of their right to have some information 
through other motions. . [Interruptions). So far 
as this adjournment motion is concerned, 
that is excluded. They can get information 
through Calling Attention or some other way. 
My disallowing the adjournment motion docs 
not mean that they cannot get it through 
other means. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How ? 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI : 
(Shajapur) : Is the Minister making a state- 
ment or not ? . . (Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : So far as matters con- 



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AUGUST 16, 19?2 


Re* Motion for Adjnmt , 


316 


315 

[Mr. Speaker] 

cermng bonus are concerned, which come 
within the jurisdiction of the Government of 
India, he may make a statement later on. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Bihar) : Sir, I 
rise on a point of order. When an adjourn- 
ment motion was given notice of, you have 
ruled that it is out of order. Is it then pro- 
per, or would it be under the rules for the 
chair to ask the Minister to make a statement 
even on facts ? The question was raised under 
rule 377. The lules are absolutely clear in 
the matter. . ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : Leaving aside rule 377 
if I do not allow an adjournment motion, I 
can even otherwise ask the Minister to make 
a statement if hon. Members are agitated 
over a particular issue. On the question of 
bonus they have a right to ask the Minister to 
give some information. But I have made it 
clear that it would not be* an adjournment 
motion. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, on a 
point of oidcr. I am sorry to say that what 
you have said is not correct. Under rule 377 
I wanted to raise a matter. You, in your 
wisdom, disallowed it. Now you are saying 
“I do not allow the adjournment motion ; I 
will ask the Minister to make a statement’*. 

MR. SPEAKER : Why should I not ask 
the Minister to make a statement?.. 

(. Interruptions ). 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : What is the 
position of the Minister ? Are the Congress 
Members advising him not to make a state- 
ment. . ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 2 The 
INTUC people are pressurizing him not to 
make a statement. . ( Interruptions .) 

MR. SPEAKER : I have said that it is 
up to the Minister to make a statement. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupuzha): 
Sir, on a point of clarification. The only rule 
under which the Minister can make a statement 
is rule 372 . . ( Interruptions ). 

The point that I want to make is . 
{Interruptions.) I am not going to yield ; I am 
also entitled to make a submission. I shall 
not be cowed down that way. The only rule 
under which the Minister is to make a state- 
ment is Rule 372. It says : 

"A Statement may be made by a 
Minister on a matter of public importan- 


ce with the consent of the Speaker but 
no question shall be asked at the time 
the statement is made.” 

The question is, whether the Minister is seek- 
ing the consent of the Speaker or whether 
the Speaker is directing the Minister to make 
a statement. The Minister may seek the con- 
sent of the Speaker and the Speaker may give 
his consent. I want to know whether the 
Minister is seeking the consent of the Speaker 
or the Speaker is directing the Minister to 
make a statement. According to me, the 
speaker cannot direct the Minister to make a 
statement (Interruptions), 

SHRI JAGDISH CHANDRA DIXIT 
(Sitapur) : I rise on a point of order. 

The question that has been agitated before 
the House is that of bonus. For that, we can 
have a discussion under Rule 193 on some 
day because we would have to go into the 
pros and cons of everything. But then, just 
forgetting your ruling. . {Interruptions). Why 
are you afraid of going to the field, talking 
to the persons, looking into the pros and cons 
. . (Interruptions) . My demand is that let us 
examine the question of bonus on some day 
and let us devote half an hour on it. There- 
fore; I stress that the demand for adjourn- 
ment motion is neither desirable nor necessary 
(Interruptions.) 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As you 
desired I should say something, two points 
were raised. Firstly, it was regarding the 
Bombay strike. As you are well aware, the 
present scheme of bonus docs not cover the 
local authority. The question of the Bombay 
strike will be dealt with by the appropriate 
Government, that is, the State Government. 
This House has no authority so far as the 
constitutional position is concerned. 

Regarding the question of bonus in gene- 
ral, as you are aware, I have replied on 
several occasions that the entire scheme is for 
review before the Committee. The Committee 
is seized of the matter. If somebody raises a 
question as to whether the Committee will 
give an interim report or that it will give a 
final report, what is the position about bonus 
scheme, if there is notice, I will state the 
position. At the present juncture, I cannot 
say anything because the Committee is seized 
of the matter so far as the bonus scheme is 
concerned. ( Interruptions ) 

Some Hon, Members then left the House. 



317 


Failure of 


SR AVAN A 25, 1894 (SA/TA) Govt, to complete Farakka 318 


12.35 hrs. 

GALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF 
URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE 

Reported failure of the Government to 
complete Farakka Barrage as scheduled 

MR. SPEAKER : We now take up the 
call-attention. Mr. Samar Guha. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Before 
I call the attention of the Minister, I want 
to tell you, Sir, that I am in agreement with 
the members of Opposition to leave the 
House. But since the Farakka issue is a very 
vital and important one, affecting a large 
section of our nation, while associating myself 
wholly with the Opposition’s decision to leave 
the House, I have to remain in the House to 
call the attention of the Minister and the 
House. 

I call the attention of the hon. Minister 
of Irrigation and Power to the following mat- 
ter of urgent public importance and request 
that he may make a statement thereon : — 

“Repoited failure of the Government 
to complete Farakka Barrage project as 
scheduled and assuring discharge of ade- 
quate quantum of Ganga water through 
the feeder canal into the river Hooghly.” 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND PO- 
WER (SHRI B N. KUREEL) : The main 
objective of the Farakka Barrage Project is to 
provide regulated upland discharges into the 
Bhagiiathi-Hooghly system in order to bring 
about impiovcmcnt in the navigability of the 
Hooghly for the preservation of the Port of 
Calcutta. For this a barrage across Ganga 
and a Feeder Canal to carry the waters to 
Bhagirathi and other ancillary works were 
sanctioned in 1960. Expenditure sanction 
was given in 1962. The barrage work was 
started early in 1963. Barrage and Canal 
works were originally scheduled to be com- 
pleted by June, 1971. The present position 
is that Farakka Barrage and most of the an- 
cillary woiks were completed by July, 1971. 
The rail-cum-road bridge over it has also been 
completed and this has provided rail and 
load links to North Bengal . . . 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : We have already 
?ol a copy of the statement. Why should he 
read out the whole statement, Sir ? 

MR. SPEAKER : The statement has al- 
ready been sent to the members. It may be 


Barrage (C. A,) 

taken as read. The hon. Member may ask 
the question. 

SHRI B, N. KUREEL: I beg to lay 
the Statement on the Table of the House. 

Statement 

The main objective of the Farakka Bar- 
rage Project is to ptovide regulated upland 
discharges into the Bhagirathi-Hooghly system 
in order to bring about improvement in the 
navigability of the Hooghly for the preserva- 
tion of the Port of Calcutta. For this a barrage 
across Ganga and a Feeder Canal to carry 
the waters to Bhagirathi and other ancillary 
works were sanctioned in 1960. Expenditure 
sanction was given in 1962. The barrage 
work was started early in 1963. Barrage and 
Canal works were originally scheduled to be 
completed by June, 1971. The present posi- 
tion is that Farakka Barrage and most of the 
ancillary works were completed by July, 1971. 
The rail-rum-road bridge over it has also 
been completed and this has provided rail 
and road links to North Bengal. 

The Feeder Canal is one of the largest and 
difficult constructions in the world having a 
bed width greater than even the International 
Suez Canal in Egypt. The work on the canal 
was started in 1965 and has spread over a 
number of working seasons some of which 
were short owing to early rains and sustained 
prolonged floods. There was a great labour 
unrest since 1969, both in contractors’ organi- 
sations as well as in departmental work, 
affecting the pace of work. Notwithstanding 
the above, more than 80% of the work of the 
Feeder Canal has been done and the balance 
is expected to be completed by December, 
1973, we hope to let down the Ganga water 
through the canal early in 1974. 

Regarding the discharge of adequate 
quantum of Ganga water through the Feeder 
Canal into river Hooghly, a statement is laid 
on the Tabic of the House. 

Statement re. Farakka Project and Port of Calcutta 

Necessity for Headwaters Flow 

1. The Port of Calcutta is situated on the 
Lower Hooghly at a distance of 128 miles from 
the sea. The navigation conditions of the 
Lower Hooghly are progressively deteriorating 
and many famous engineers have been think- 
ing of how best to check this tendency. Sir 
Arthur Cotton suggested, a century and a 
half back, the construction of a barrage 
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Government of India constituted a Committee 
under the Chairmanship of Shri Man Singh 
to examine matters relating to the improve- 
ment of headwater supply of the river 
Hooghly. Later on the subject was further 
studied by a number of engineers including 
Dr. Hensen of Germany and is even now 
being vigorously pursued. Hydraulic model 
studies have also been employed. 

2. It has been agreed that the main rea- 
son of deterioration is the absence of adequate 
and continuous flow in Bhagirathi due to 
siltation of the river at the off-take point 
from the Ganga. It is stated that Ganga was 
originally flowing till four centuries back 
along Bhagirathi- Hooghly and due to being 
silted up at the mouth of Bhaghirathi, Ganga 
is now flowing through Padma, which used 
to be a minor branch of the Ganga. The 
flow in Bhagirathi is, therefore, confined to a 
small discharge and this too Vor a maximum 
of 60 days in a year at the time of highest 
floods in Ganga. 

3. The necessity for a barrage across 
Ganga to ensure augmentation of headwaters 
has been thus accepted and even during the 
Partition of India, this fact played a large 
part in fixing the boundaries between India 
and the then Pakistan in this region. 

4. The only question that remained was 
with regard to the quantum of water that 
should be let down and its duration. Shri Man 
Singh’s Expert Committee Report on the 
river Hooghly and the improvement of its 
headwater supply submitted in October 1952, 
fixed the discharge of the feeder canal from 
Ganga at 20,000 cusecs (page 56 of the Report). 
They observed further : — 

Period 


January to 15th March 
15th March to 15th May 
1 5th May to 20th June 
20th June to 30th June 
July to September 


“Different opinions have been expres- 
sed regarding the quantity of water which 
should be introduced into the Hooghly. 
That there is an optimum quantity cannot 
be gainsaid. Larger quantities will tend 
to erode the banks, bring down a heavy 
charge of silt which would tend to create 
difficulties in the tidal reaches, while too 
little would not reinforce the ebb cur- 
rent in the tidal reaches to the extent 
which would enable it to carry back the 
silt brought up by the tidal inflow. Small- 
ness of the scale of the models made it 
difficult for the Research Station at Kha- 
dakvasla to determine the minimum dry 
whether discharge required to maintain 
the river in regime.* * 

5. Further studies were carried out and 
finally the Ganga Barrage Project Report 
was prepared in 1959. The cost was estima- 
ted at Rs. 56.40 crores. When the Project 
came up for approval. Planning Commission 
observed as under : — 

“The Planning Commission had ac- 
cepted the Project as being necessary for 
the preservation of the Port of Calcutta 
besides its other benefits, on the basis of 
general consensus of technical opinion 
that the scheme was technically sound, 
even in spite of the full suspension of 
the withdrawals in periods during March- 
May.” 

The Ganga Barrage Project, which was 
sanctioned by Government of India in April 
I960, took note of the various view points 
with regard to duration of head discharge 
and made provision for the operation cycle 
of moderated discharges at Kalna as follows : — 

Proposed flow at Kalna 
(Cusecs) 

40.000 to 20,000 

Upto 20,000 (as available) 

20.000 to 40,000 

40.000 to 60,000 

Steady rise from 60,000 

upto say, 140,000 and to 

80.000 towards the end of 

September. 


October 

November 

December 


80.000 to 40,000 

40.000 



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It was also further observed that “The 
suggested Operational Programme, based on 
the available hydrological data, will have to 
be further examined and improved with the 
help of more data that will be subsequently 
collected and will be tested at the Central 
Water and Power Research Station, Poona, 
for the optimum effects on the bars and cros- 
sings in the Lower Hooghly.** 

6. Ganga Barrage was taken up for cons- 
truction and the Barrage was completed by 
July 1971 and has been providing rail and 
road links to North Bengal since then. Most 
of the work on the Feeder Canal has been 
done and it is expected to be completed by 
December 1973 and it is programmed to let 
the Ganga water through Feeder Canal into 
Bhagirathi early in 1974. It may be noted 
from the Operational Programme that it was 
proposed to run the Feeder Canal at 40,000 
cusecs practically for ten months and for two 
months — mid-March to mid-May — with lesser 
discharges, upto 20,000 cusecs. 

7. In the last few years, controversy 
regarding the quantum of water to be let 
down into the Feeder Canal during the lean 
months of mid-March to mid-May started. 
There are two distinct schools of thought. 
One group of engineers feel that even for the 
two lean months, full discharge of 40,000 
cusecs should be allowed to flow as otherwise 
the deterioration of the Port cannot be check- 
ed. Another group feel that in the two 
months the dischaige in the Canal can be 
reduced without affecting the health of the 
Port. They argue that in view of drainage 
congestion, the need to flush Bhagirathi head 
by reversing the flow at Jangipur and possibi- 
lity of excess bed sediment movement going 
down to Port area, the flow in the lean 
months should be reduced as envisaged at 
the time of the sanction. 

The best way of settling the controversy 
would be to make observations on the proto- 
type, that is, field observations. 

8. Ganga carries a flow of 50,000 to 
60,000 cusecs during lean months of mid- 
March to mid-May, the quantity varying 
from year to year. This water is contributed 
mostly by Ghagra, Gandak and Kosi, as 
other rivers have little discharge during the 
lean months. Even main Ganga and Yamuna 
do not contribute as irrigation projects on 
those rivers as at Hard war, Narora and Taje- 
wala and Okhla (Delhi) developed several 
decades ago utilise the waters of these tribu- 


taries. Ghagra has two tributaries, Sarda and 
Karnali. Extensive irrigation has been deve- 
loped on Sarda since 1927. It was found 
later that the Sarda system did not have 
sufficient water to supply water to fields. Most 
of the canals were running empty and many 
foreign and Indian engineers and economists 
observed that the Sarda system required rein- 
forcement. Therefore, a scheme was sanctioned 
in 1968 which supplies water from the other 
tributary of the same river, and the project was 
named as Sarda ‘Assist*. No new canal system 
is to be constructed but only a feeder canal to 
supply water to the various canals constructed 
several decades ago. 

On Gandak, as a result of several repre- 
sentations and investigations, an irrigation 
project ‘Gandak Project* was approved in 
principle in 1958 to provide irrigation in 
Bihar, Nepal and U. P. and is under cons- 
truction. t 

Similarly on Kosi, an irrigation project 
was sanctioned in 1956 to irrigate 15 lakh of 
acres on Eastern Canal. This is besides 
Western Kosi Canal, which was under discus- 
sion with Nepal all along and undertaken 
only recently. 

As other tributaries of Ganga do not 
contribute much to Ganga flow in lean 
months of mid-March to mid-May, develop- 
ment of irrigation projects on these will not 
have any impact on the flow in Ganga during 
the two months. These projects essentially 
supply water during Kharif season and during 
rabi season where stored waters are available. 

Thus, it is to be noted that prior to sanc- 
tion of Farakka Barrage Project, some pro- 
jects were approved to supply irrigation 
waters during the lean months. As these 
projects have not yet come into full use, the 
flow in lean months in Ganga is not yet 
affected. 

9. Having regard to the doubts expressed 
by some people. Government of India wish to 
reiterate that Calcutta Port will not be allow- 
ed to deteriorate and all the modern techni- 
ques of adequate supply of headwater dis- 
charge, and optimum dredging of tidal prism, 
where necessary, river training measures etc., 
will be fully utilised to ensure the health of 
the great Port of Calcutta. 

10. A start on the extensive collection of 
prototype data has to be made from the com- 
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continue for a further period of ten years. 
These pertain to the river Bhagirathi, tidal 
reach above Calcutta, and reach from Cal- 
cutta to Mayapur and the river beyond. 
These observations will include, taking cross 
sections at frequent intervals, discharge mea- 
surements, hydrographic survey of the river 
throughout the year, analysis of bed load 
samples, collection of tidal data, velocity and 
silt charge observations, salinity observations, 
daily depths on bars and crossings, shifting 
of navigation tracks, dredging data and inves- 
tigations with sand trap across the river near 
Calcutta for the assessment of sediment trans- 
port. These will be organised by a study 
team under the auspices of the Ministry of 
Shipping and Transport, who will co-ordinate 
the works of various agencies like the Cal- 
cutta Port Commissioners, Centra] Water and 
Power Research Station at Khadakvasla, etc. 
State of West Bengal will ^Iso participate in 
this. 

11. Results of model tests in Central 
Water and Power Research Station at Poona 
show that the discharges given in the original 
report of 1959 are found to be satisfactory 
but the model tests by the Calcutta Port 
Commissioners indicated the requirements of 
higher discharges at 40,000 cusecs during 
lean months. Due to difficulties of simulation, 
model tests, specially for large rivers, have 
serious limitations in giving any precise quan- 
titative answers to problems and can, at best, 
be indicative. It is difficult to quantify precisely 
at this stage as to what is the discharge re- 
quired to meet the needs of Calcutta Port. 
The exact requirements of water are best 
determined by observations on the prototype 
itself. It is, therefore, decided to adopt the 
following procedure for operation of the 
Farakka Project : 

(a) For five years after water is let down 
into the Feeder Canal, the Feeder Canal will 
carry the full discharge of 40,000 cusecs 
throughout the year including lean months. 

(b) The necessary discharge for efficient 
functioning of Calcutta Port by continuing 
the improvement as a consequence of (a) 
will be determined by the team mentioned 
in para 10 by observing the effects during the 
first five years and subsequent two years when 
the discharges will be varied. 

(c) Simultaneously with the above, trench 
dredging will be carried out above Howrah 
bridge in varying degrees, so that the afore- 


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said Study Team can observe its effect on 
tidal prism and check any heavy movement 
of bed sediment on to the port area. The 
dredged material may be used for reclamation 
work for which schemes would be submitted 
by West Bengal Government later on. 

(d) After the period of seven years, the 
entire position will be reviewed in the light 
of reports and observations of the aforesaid 
Study Team. 

12. In conclusion, it may be stated that 
the Government of India fully recognise the 
importance of maintaining the navigability of 
the Hooghly for the preservation of the Cal- 
cutta Port as one of the topmost Indian Ports 
and will take all necessary steps to ensure the 
same. 

It is to be noted that the interest of up- 
stream irrigation projects will also be fully 
safeguarded. 

Finally, it may be stated that legitimate 
interests of Bangla Dcsh will be kept in view 
and no arrangement made by us will adverse- 
ly affect these interests. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon. 
Minister for irrigation and power is reputed 
to be very vocal and makes longish statements- 
he makes a longish reply to a small question. 

I am extremely astonished as to what has 
happened to him today. He is not reading 
out the statement himself and is taking 
shelter under the younger one. I do not want 
him to do it. 

This statement of the Minister is a narr- 
ation of history. Narration of history, in a 
way that is also a distortion of facts, suppre- 
ssion of facts, evasion of facts. He has conve- 
niently chosen certain reports of certain 
experts but he has conveniently excluded the 
reports of certain international experts and 
those experts who were directly connected 
with it and whose services were commissioned 
by the Government of India. I want to know 
why the Minister has chosen to quote exten- 
sively from Man Singh’s reports, and not from 
Dr. Hansen's report. But there arc reports 
of Dr. Hansen, Dr. Dronkard and also by 
Dr. Joglekar and also there is the report of 
Mr. A. C. Mitra, Chairman of the Technical 
Committee of Farakka. What about that ? 

I wanted to use a strong word but I want to 
desist from doing that. 

In a way he has given an impression in 



325 Failure of SRAVANA 25 , 

this House as if there are two opinions, two 
schools of thought about determining the 
quantum of the discharge of Ganga water 
into the proposed feeder canal for the river 
Hooghly. He has said that the Poona Institute 
had conducted experiments. Also the Hydro- 
logical Institute of the Port Commissioners of 
Calcutta has also conducted another set of 
experiments. I have no time to go into them. 
I do not know what is the contradiction. 
The Poona Institute has conducted experi- 
ments but they have not come to any con- 
clusion. It is wrong to say that there are two 
schools of thought in determining the quantum 
of Ganga water that will be discharged into 
the proposed feeder canal. 

The international experts whose services 
were commissioned for this purpose have 
also submitted their report. Instead of making 
such a long statement, it would have been 
better if the Minister would have come 
straightaway to the last page and tell us 
what actually he wanted to do 

One more submission I want to make. 
Before coming to that I want to draw your 
attention to one thing. An impression is 
being surreptitiously tried to be created as if 
the problem of the Calcutta port is the pro- 
blem of the State of West Bengal. No, Sir, 
it is not a problem of the State. If you 
recollect, Sn, the statement of Pandit 
Jawaharlal Nehru on the floor of this House, 
also said that the task of the preservation of 
the port of Calcutta is a great national task. 
It is not a State matter. But if you still say 
so, I would not call it ‘anti-national’, but I 
will call it an a-national or non-national 
poser. The Calcutta port is almost facing the 
death pangs and it is a national issue. Why 
is it a national issue ? Calcutta port was the 
first port among the major ports of India 
when India became free. Now, in handling 
traffic, the position of Calcutta port is rele- 
gated to the fourth position. Sir, out of 365 
days, ships of 26ft. draft cannot enter for 
more than 68 days. For the last 10 years, 
every year Rs. 30 crores is spent for dredging 
purpose, for filling up the gaps of the deficit 
budget of the Calcutta Port and for paying 
the capital invested for Farakka Barrage 
Project. Problem facing Calcutta Port is a 
national problem. It is still a national port. 

It still handles 45% of our exports and 31% 
of our imports. It earns one-third of our 
foreign exchange. It handles the maritime 
traffic of whole of Eastern India, namely of 
Tripura, Nagaland, Assam, Arunachal 


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Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa, Eastern UP, and 
West Bengal. It also handles the maritime 
traffic of Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim. There- 
fore, Sir, can it be called a State problem ? 
Calcutta port is some kind of an ‘Economic 
Grid’ for sustaining the economy of the 
eastern region of our country. 

We should look at it from a national 
perspective. 85 per cent of the workers in the 
Calcutta port are geographically- speaking, 
coming from the other States. On both sides 
of the Hooghly, we find that the industries are 
owned by men who are geographically from 
the other States, not belonging to West 
Bengal only. Therefore, it is a national 
problem. It is not a State problem. 

Sir, it is a seven-page statement that the 
hon. Minister has given. It will take some 
time for me to elaborate my points. I now 
come to the question. For five years, what 
will be done ? 40,000 cusecs of water will 
be discharged to the feeder canal during all the 
months. Then for 2 years variable quantums 
of water will the given. Then, after that, 
there will be a prototype study regarding the 
nature of the vagaries sand bars and sand 
prism in the bed of the Hooghly. There is to 
be a prototype study like this. In the first 
instance, you say; 40,000 cusecs of water will 
be given. Then you say, variable quantum 
of water will be given for 2 years. May I 
know under what reasoning you have come 
to this conclusion ? How do you come to the 
conclusion that it will be variable ? It is 
stated that a prototype study of the move- 
ment of sand in the bed of the Hooghly 
estuary will be made on the basis of the 
finding of the hydraulic study. Now, how 
can you determine as to what will be the 
necessary quantum of Ganga water ? How 
would you know what its effect would be ? 
What is the basis on which you can determine 
all these things ? .How can you say, this 
40,000 cusecs will be for five years and then 
variable quantum for two years ? How can 
you make the quantity variable ? What is the 
basis for these things ? What is the data ? 
What is the statistics ? 

It is stated that it will take 10 years for a 
prototype study of the movement of the sands 
of the bed and the vagaries of the Hooghly 
river. Without having some data or some 
statistics how can you come to any such 
conclusion ? 

We know so many schemes about the 
use of the surface water in the Upper Gan- 



327 Failur* of AUGUST 

[Shri Samar Guha] 

getic Region. Is it not a fact that the G. S. 

I. has made some elaborate hydrological 
study of this region ? Have they not pointed 
out certain things regarding the use of the 
under- ground water in the northern region ? 
Did they not say that the over-use of the 
surface water may lead to the massive alkali 
infestation as in the Thar region of Pakistan, 
as also already manifest in Etawah and in 
the Upper Gangetic region ? Will not overuse 
of this surface water make alkali infestation 
possible and make large areas of cultivable 
land in the upper regions unusable ? Why 
do you not make use of the hydrological 
data ? Why do you use the surface water, 
when under-ground water can be used by 
means of tube-wells, and open wells system ? 

If this is done, there will be two things which 
will happen. Firstly, it can protect the area 
from the possible massive alkali infestation of 
cultivable land. Secondly, it will help to 
conscive the Ganga water for keeping the 
flow between Allahabad and Patna and also 
for discharge of Ganga water for the Farakka 
feeder canal. 

Now, I shall conclude by putting a few 
pointed questions. I want to know fiom the 
hon. Minister (a) whether 40,000 cusces of 
water will be ensured for ten years by which 
time the piototype studies on the effect of such 
water discharge will be completed and the 
findings assessed and the statistics assessed for 
fresh determination of quantum of water (b) 
whether a high-powered agency will be 
formed to ensure discharge of 40,000 cusccs of 
water throughout the year as indicated by 
the hon. Minister, (c) whether a scientific 
study will be made about the possibility of using 
underground water or ground waters since a 
study was made by the Geological Survey of 
India to find out alternative sources of water 
for irrigation purposes and also to save the 
Upper Gangetic region from alkali infesta- 
tion and thus conserve the water ultimately 
for flushing out the lower region of the 
Hooghly, and whether a task cell will be set 
up to tackle all the problems like the deficiency 
in the earth excavation equipment of the 
barrage and also the dilatory tactics of the 
feeder canal contractor as also the labour 
trouble there ? The time-schedule for the 
completion was 1970, but I fear that it may 
not be completed even by 1973, because it 
will be humanly impossible to excavate 
35 crorcs c.ft. of earth at the rate of 18 crores 
c.ft. per year ; because of the deficiency in 
equipment, the contractor shall not be able to 


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do more than 12 crores c.ft. per year. There- 
fore, canal work may not be completed before 
1975, unless Government take it up seriously 
and form a separate cell and tackle the whole 
problem on an emergency basis. 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L RAO) : I would 
like to submit that most of the points that 
th? hon. Member has mentioned were all 
considered very carefully. I would like to 
submit that the statement contains a very 
clear indication of the water that will be let 
down and the period for which it will be let 
down. I am very pietty certain that the 
experiment that we are going to do will 
leave us veiy valuable lessons Government 
have assured the House in the last para of 
the statement that the preservation of the 
port of Calcutta is the major objective of the 
Government of India, and they will do all in 
their power to save this port which is a very 
valuable one and which is one of the topmost 
ports of our countiy I did not follow the 
other points that the hon. Member made. 
But in regard to ground water, I would like 
to submit that we know that the Ganga basin 
has got the best undet ground watci in the 
whole world, and we arc exploiting it fully. 
Already, there aie 15,000 tube-wells and we 
shall have to exploit more and more this 
ground water. This is one of the alternatives 
that we ate thinking For, after all, the whole 
trouble is in the lean months when the dis- 
charge of water is very little and it is not very 
much compared with the water that the river 
rarries, which would be 400 million acre-fret ; 
so, all this trouble is due to about 2 million 
acre-feet. Therefore, we are already thinking 
of various alternatives. One of the alternatives 
being thought of is the exploitation of ground 
water in the Gangetic basin. 

Then, the hon. Member has said that it 
cannot be completed by 1973 but it will be 
completed only by 1975. I do not know on 
what basis he has said it. Contractors and 
department together are doing about 18 crores 
c ft. every year. The balance of work is 
about 26 crores c.ft. What actually happened 
in the past was this. The statement contains 
very clearly the reasons for the delay that has 
been there. One reason is that in 1971 we 
could not do much because the Ganga had 
sustained floods, and, therefore, the working 
season was very small and that was why only 
half the work could be done. We expect that 
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have the full working season and we expect 
over 20 crores c.ft. to be cleared in the work- 
ing season, and after the working season is 
over, another 6 crores c ft. so that the whole 
canal will be completed. We hope that unless 
something adverse occurs, it will be possible 
to complete it. We have gone over this 
matter very carefully, namely the question of 
trying to complete it, and we hope that it 
will be possible to complete it by Decem- 
ber, 1973 and we could let down in the 
feeder canal early in 1974. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : My other ques- 
tions have not been answered. Hon’blc Minis- 
ter has not indicated how 10,000 cusecs of 
water will be ensured for ten years, because 
he has said that it would take ten years to 
make the prototype studies and then the 
position would be re-exarnmed. 

DR. K L. RAO : I have already ex- 
plained very clearly in the statement that the 
period is not ten years, but seven years In 
the first five years we will let down about 
40,000 cusecs. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Ten yeais is 
for making a study and fresh determination of 
the quantum of waki that will be discharged. 

DR. K. L. RAO : We thought seven 
years would be sufficient. In five yeais, we 
will be able to know the effect of it. There 
arc both adverse cffei is and also favourable 
effects. It is not as if we are 1< tting down 
40,000 cusecs in the entire seven year period. 
Wc have a lot of training woik to do. Wc 
are going to do the experiment in seven vears. 
By that time we will have a sufficient indica- 
tion as to what should be done. 

I have submitted already that the preserva- 
tion of the Calcutta poit is a most important 
objective of Government. They will ensure 
that this will be achieved. 

SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch- 
Behar) : In the course of his long statement 
in reply to the call attention, the hon. Minis- 
ter has, I must say at the outset, in paragraph 
11 given us to a certain extent temporal y 
relief, which will give partial relief to the 
people of Bengal, will help in the preserva- 
tion of the Calcutta Port and will also help to 
to preserve the whole national interest. For 
this, thanks arc due to the timely intervention 
of our respected leader, the Prime Minister, 
and also, the able leadership of the Chief 
Minister of West Bengal who in future years 
may be called the Bhagirath of modern 


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Bengal. Unfortunately, the hon. Minister has 
failed to mention in his statement the discus- 
sions he has had with the Chief Minister of 
West Bengal along with his Cabinet colleague, 
the Minister of Irrigation of West Bengal, 
and also with the Prime Minister. The im- 
pression has been created that he seems to be so 
much sympathetic to the cause of Bengal and 
eastern India and also the Calcutta Port. But 
in giving out this impression, the hon. Minis- 
ter has drafted the statement in such a way 
that it is nothing but an attempt to hoodwink 
the people. If I were to go into details, it 
would take a long time and I would not be in 
a position to conclude within the short span 
of time available to me. 

The hon. Minister has referred to the Man 
Singh Committee Report of 1952. He has 
also quoted from it. May I ask simultaneously 
this question. Even after the 1952 recom- 
mendations of thc» Man Singh Committee, was 
not the project for the preservation of 
Calcutta Port discussed and financial sanction 
accorded to it ? Thai being so, is this 
reference not a device to hoodwink the whole 
country, particularly the people of Bengal and 
eastern India? 

13. hrs. 

Secondly, the hon. Minister has failed in 
his duty by presenting a twisted version of 
what the Planning Commission has remarked 
that even in spite of the full suspension of 
withdrawals during the lean period, the pro- 
ject is very sound and is accepted as necessary. 
To put the matter straight, is it not a fact 
that even after this clarification by the Plann- 
ing Commission or whatever it is, this Parlia- 
ment gave sanction m 1962 for the total 
project with the idea that there must be a 
discharge to the extent of 40,000 cusecs 
throughout the year ? To put it shortly, I 
would simply refer to the Estimates Commit- 
tee’s report presented in April 1970 where it 
is stated in paia 1. 2 : 

“The project after completion will 
enable the diversion of 40,000 cubic 
feet per second of water fiorn the 
Ganga to the Bhagirathi. This, with 
the normal discharges going down the 
Bhagirathi when the level of Ganga is 
high, will set right the hydraulic 
balance of the bores in the Hooghly 
and check the threat posed to the 
ports. • . .” 

In the action-taken report submitted by the 
ministry laid on the Table of the House in 



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331 Failure of 

[Shri B. K. Daschowdhury] 

July 197J, nothing has been challenged, I 
mean the observations referred to by the hon. 
Members of the Estimates Committee, nothing 
has been challenged. Here we find the hon. 
Minister has been quoting certain conditions 
here and there which give the impression that 

20.000 cusecs will be enough or may be so. 
In his statement he also said in para 10 of the 
statement : a technical committee will go 
through the model study and on the basis of 
the report only it is to be found out what is 
the required quantum of the discharge of 
water to rejuvenate and resuscitate the Cal- 
cutta port. I also ask my third question. 
There have been a number of Committees and 
commissions ? and some were invited even 
by Dr. K. L. Rao and they said that it 
had been decided that nothing less than 

40.000 cusecs of water would be required to 
rejuvenate and resuscitate Calcutta port, to 
make it alive. It was contained in the expert 
committee report of Dr. Henscn who put his 
signature and seal in May 1957. My fourth 
question : will the Minister be good enough 
to put down in the Lok Sabha the entire 
report of Dr. Henscn which he submitted to 
the ministry concerned along with the experts 
Dr. Drunkard and Dr. Joglekar, expert on 
liver research scheme m Poona and chairman 
of the special cell in the Farakka project. 
A C Mitter ? If all these things are laid on 
the Table, the whole situation would have 
been clcaicd 

He brought foilh argument to give the 
impression that 20,000 cusecs of water would 
be enough because certain projects taken up 
in the upper reaches of the Ganga ought to 
be implemented and the programme, as it has 
been, sanctioned. Mention has been made 
of Gandak, Kosi and Sarda projects. Will the 
hon. Minister clarify whether the Kosi project, 
Gandak project that were sanctioned prior to 
1960 ? Was it not sanctioned later on? Will the 
hon. Minister lay down a white paper giving 
all these projects, major and minor, 34 major 
and 170 minor ; these have been sanctioned 
even against the vehement opposition of the 
State Government of West Bengal, whether it is 
a fact or not ? Not only this. I have every regard 
for the hon. Minister. I have heard ; I would 
wish the hon. Minister to clarify this point. 
Even when Dr. Hcnsen submitted a report 
that nothing less than 40,000 cusecs would 
be required for the preservation of the Cal- 
cutta port, I am told that Dr. Henscn, a 
hydraulic expert, a German expert who was 
invited to go through all the model studies, 


was asked : could you not bring it down to 

20,000 cusecs ? As a result Dr. Hcnsen was 
so much agitated, he felt very much insulted 
What followed ? Dr. Hensen refused to accept 
a lunch arranged in his honour. He replied : 
in a country where scientist's views are being 
dishonoured in such a way for political mano- 
uvres action it is better not to have lunch. 
There is an impression. I do not know whe- 
ther it is true or not. It is better to clarify. 
I know the details which sort of lunch was 
arranged. It is true that dredging has been 
going on increasing from 75 lakhs a year to 7.5 
crores. Ten times. It is true that the sanc- 
tioned amount for Farakka Barrage has gone- 
up by 180 per cent, as referred to by the Esti- 
mates Committee, from Rs. 56 crores to 
Rs. 156 crores. As a result, what happened ? 
The high tidal bore which was normally before 
1947 to the extent of 2 to 3 feet, has got so 
strengthened and so voluminous that it rises 
up to 6 or 7 feet and it carries with it inflow 
of water, but it cannot outflow because the 
pressure in Hooghly is not very much. As days 
go by, silt formation is going up and up. It 
is feared that even after this model test, after 
1979 or 1989, the cusecs of Ganga water that 
would be required to be discharged would be 
much more than 40,000. 

In conclusion, I want to know along with 
these six questions — they are short questions — 
will he make a prohibition order restricting 
hence forward that there should be no project 
with any pseudonym — people do not even 
understand the names of the projects ; there 
are such a large number of them, more than 
200, big and smill projects— no such schemes 
will be approved by the Central Water and 
Power Commission unless it has been consi- 
dered by this technical committee, under sec- 
tion 10 of this report. Will he also consider, 
as pointed out by this Commission, the upper 
reaches of Ganga river where the ground 
waters are available in sufficient quantities, 
because of which certain lands are not being 
fit for cultivation because of their marshy 
nature and will he consider taking these 
resources from the ground water ? All these 
things will end the matter. He should look 
into the fact that Calcutta Port is not for 
West Bengal alone but it is in the national 
interest. With that end in view, he should 
not misguide the whole nation. 

DR. K. L. RAO : Most of the points 
raised have been covered by the statement I 
have made and I request the hon. member 
to read the statement more carefully. I do 



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not want to enter into any controversy because 
I am very happy that we have had a very 
useful discussion with the Chief Minister of 
West Bengal and Irrigation Minister over the 
week-end. We spent a considerable number 
of hours over this difficult problem. I am 
sorry the hon. member has attributed motives 
that I claim originality for this. I do not 
add their names because I have not taken 
their signatures. It is also not fair to take 
their signatures. In fact, he did not authorise 
me nor did I ask for it. In the absence of the 
signature, I could not refer to it. 

The hon. member seems to know more 
about the lunch engagement of Dr. Hensen. 
It was a private lunch in my house, not a 
public lunch. Dr. Hensen not only came to 
the lunch but brought a beautiful set of 
flowers. This is all due to some cock and bull 
story given by some engineers who have been 
dismissed. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Prima 
facie it seems there arc certain stories about 
it. 

DR. K. L. RAO : There are always lots 
of stories in Calcutta. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I strongly pro- 
test against this objectionable remark. The 
question js whether the points raised by these 
engineers merit attention or not. They are 
not in this House to defend themselves and I 
strongly protest against this remark that they 
have been given by dismissed engineers. 

DR. K. L. RAO : I said it because it 
was a wrong statement made by the hon. 
member. It was a private lunch, not at 
Ashoka Hotel or anywhere else ; it was in my 
own house. I invited Dr. Hensen because he 
was known to me for years. I knew him long 
before he came for the Calcutta port. I had 
been to Hanover many years before. When 
he came here, I naturally invited him for a 
lunch. He came, as I said, with a lot of beau- 
tiful flowers. In Fact I even said “Why do 
you bring so many flowers'*. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Is it 
a fact that Dr. Hensen did not take even a 
cup of water ? . . . . ( interruptions ) 

DR. K. L. RAO : The hon. Member 
seems to have been at that time .... (interrup- 
tions). It is very unfortunate these things 
should have been brought out. 

But the most important thing is this. 


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Neither Dr. Hensen, nor Dronker was invited 
for the second time by us. Dr. Hensen came 
at the invitation of the Port Commissioners, 
as also Dr. Dronker was not called for this 
project. He was asked for the outer harbour, 
for the Haldia project. The Port Commis- 
sioners seem to have asked him this question. 
They have given some information that we 
have got. We have got two pages, not signed 
pages, wherein they say that his opinion was 
asked for and “we agree with that”. Dr. 
Hensen’s first report very categorically states 
of 20,000 cusecs .... ( interruptions ) 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is not correct 

MR. SPEAKER : He is speaking with 
out my permission. If he continues like that, 
nothing will go on record. I do not know 
how to deal with this gentlemen. He must 
maintain certain discipline. He cannot get 

up any time he wants 

» 

DR. K. L. RAO : I want to avoid any 
controversy. I do not want to say anything 
further except to say on the irrigation projects 
in the upper basin area that the area that is 
irrigated in the Ganga Basin consisting of 
several States is hardly 24 per cent in spite of 
the fact they have got the best water resour- 
ces. That is why wc said the up-stream 
irrigation projects will be safeguarded. That 
is what the statement says 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Is it 
a fact that there are 31 major irrigation. . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : AH of you are beating 
each other in one thing, in making these 
interruptions. Already we are very late and 
behind the schedule. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : The 
West Bengal Government protested because 
these projects will hamper the progress of the 
Farakka barrage project and the improvement 
of the Calcutta port. Is it a fact that 34 
major and 170 minor irrigation projects were 
sanctioned even in the teeth of the opposition 
of the West Bengal Government without 
consulting the Ganga Brahmaputra Flood 
Control Commission ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I think he has made 
it very clear. 

DR. K. L. RAO : The irrigation poten- 
tial so far developed in the up-stream area is 
very little. But the sanction of a large number 
of projects there does not even in the least 



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AUGUST 16, 1972 


[Dr. K. L. Rao] 

effect Farakka. I have made this very clear 
in the statement. 

If the Ramganga project is taken up, it 
does not contribute at all in any way for the 
two lean months. The only concerned rivers 
are Gagra, Gandak and Kosi. Everything is 
contained in that statement. 

DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : On the 31st 
of March this year Dr. Rao placed a state- 
ment on the Table of both Houses, the con- 
tents of which we find on page 3 of the state- 
ment. Here he has stated in short that it 
is neither desirable, nor possible, to give more 
than 20,000 cusecs of water foi the river 
Bhagirathi. Today he makes the statement 
we saw also in the newspapers his agreement 
with Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray — that 
40,000 cusecs will be available throughout the 
year for the river Bhagirathi. I do not know 
whether he is a magician or not. When he 
made the statement that 20,000 cusecs will be 
needed and will be supplied, and not more 
than that, he knew the opinions of Dr. Hensen 
Dr. Dronkhurst, Dr. Joglekar of Khadakvasla 
Institute and Shri A. G. Mitra of Uttar 
Pradesh. Still he made that statement. By 
making that statement, one purpose was 
served. I do not know whether he deliberately 
did it or not. Bengal was pitted against 
Bihar ; U. P. was pitted against Bengal. 
There was no trouble between Bengal and 
Bihar, no trouble between Bengal and U. P. 
We are peaceful citizens living as good 
neighbours. Only when he made that state- 
ment, all these questions cropped up in Bengal, 
Bihar and U. P. He is responsible for that. 
He made a very serious statement. 

Not only that. Even before that, on the 
26th June, he made a statement in the 
Calcutta Raj Bhavan he found no other place 
to make a statement — which will be offending 
to the feelings of the people of Calcutta. It is 
the same statement that not more than 20,000 
cusecs of water will be available. 

Now, in this statement, he says it will be 
available for seven years. Before stating that 
in the statement, he also dug up, as pointed 
out by many hon. Members, the Man Singh 
Committee Report of 1952. After all these 
things, a very well-known Engineer, well-known 
to Dr. Rao, Mr. Devesh Mukerjee, made a 
statement in the press that nowhere, when he 
was the General Manager of the Farakka 
Barrage, there was any mention of any diffe- 
rence of opinion. He is the person who was exto- 


Govt . to complete Farakka 336 
Barrage (C. A .) 

lied by Dr. Rao himself as one of the foremost 
river Engineers that India has produced. He 
said that nobody knew about this thing, there 
was no serious difference of opinion. Today, 
in this statement, the hon. Minister mentions 
about the Man Singh Committee Report. 

I do not know who was Mr. Man Singh. I 
do not want to make a long statement. 

I simply say that this whole thing, his 
statement, is shrouded in mystery. In May 
and June, he made a statement that no more 
than 20,000 cusecs of water will be available. 
Now, in the middle of August, he makes a 
statement that it is available for seven years 
and then certain studies will be made. 

I want to know which statement is correct, 
today’s statement or the statement that he 
made in this House on the 3 1st May this year. 
Therefore, as I said, the whole thing is 
shrouded in mystery. I am afraid, this will 
lead Bengalis-Biharis fighting for water as has 
been the case with Narmada water and 
Cauvcry water. I want to know specifically 
categorically from the hon. Minister whether 
the formula that he had given earlier in this 
House which is embodied in the statement on 
p. 3, has been given up at least for the 
coming seven years. 

Secondly, I want to know the reason why 
the construction of this feeder canal has been 
delayed. In January, 1968, Dr. Rao will 
recollect that there was a Consultative Com- 
mittee meeting where he invited many of us. 

I was also there. The feeder canal was being 
dug in those days. Now he speaks of the 
labour trouble. The labour trouble was much 
more in Farakka Barrage than in the case of 
the feeder canal. Why was it not completed 
by 1971 ? According to him, it is to be 
completed by 1973. Where is the guarantee ? 
This delay in the construction of feeder 
canal, according to the Farakka Barrage 
authorities, is causing a loss of Rs. 6 crores 
every year as interest charges. Who is going 
to pay ? It is the public Exchequer. Why 
should the public pay ? So, I want a 
guarantee from him. It is not simply saying, 
( T do not find any reason why it should not 
be completed.’* Can he give us a guarantee 
in this House today that by the end of 1973, 
the feeder canal will be constructed and that, 
if for that purpose any other agency is to 
be set up or brought in, that will be done ? 

Thirdly, I want to know about this investiga- 
tion in the whole Farakka Barrage scheme that 



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Mr. Samar Guha raised to which Dr. Rao 
has not answered. By whom was the investiga- 
tion done and how the investigation will be 
done after seven years or after five years ? 
All this is in the statement. How will the 
other elements who are interested in the 
development of the Calcutta Port be taken 
into confidence ? What will be the machinery 
to do that ? These are the three questions. 

DR. K. L. RAO : I did not want to 
make any statement in the last session. 
What happened was that the hon. Speaker 
told me that the hon. members from West 
Bengal insisted that I should make a state- 
ment. That is why I had to make a 
statement. 

Farakka project is a sanctioned project 
approved in I960 by the Ministry of Shipping 
and Transport to which this project belongs. 
This project does not belong to the Ministry 
of Irrigation and Power ; that has nothing to 
do with it, neither with the power aspect nor 
with the irrigation aspect. This is the project 
of the Ministry of Transport and Shipping. 
They asked us to do the works. The figure 
that I have given has been quoted from page 
56 of the sanctioned project report. The hon. 
Member may see that. I have no authority to 
change it. What I gave was exactly the 
amount laid down for different months in the 
sanctioned project. 

A lot of emotion was created. The Chief 
Minister of West Bengal wanted to discuss this. 
Wc had a lot of discusssions. We find that, 
in the next five years, it will be possible for 
us to allow 40,000 cusecs of water. Every- 
thing has been covered in the statement. We 
want to setth* this controversy by field 
experiments. The controversy about 40,000 
cusecs of water being required relates to 
those two lean months ; it is not a question 
of ten months. Some feel that 20,000 cusecs 
of water will do for those two months. We 
have yet to take observation. We have got to 
make observations on the prototype and not 
on the models. That is why we have said 
that it is a very useful and scientific investiga- 
tion. The hon. Member asked who will do 
the investigation. That has also been given 
in the statement. The investigation will be 
done by the Ministry of Shipping and Trans- 
port who is responsible for that. They will 
have a study team. The study team will 
consist of the Port Commissioners of Calcutta 
Central Water and Power Research Station, 
Khadakvasla, West Bengal Government, and 


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any others that the Ministry of Transport and 
Shipping may consider necessary. That is 
why they have said, ‘etc.*. The investigation 
will be done by them. 

The other question was about the delay. 
I am surprised the hon. Member is asking 
this question. It is one of the most difficult 
projects in the world. The canal’s width is 
far greater than the width of the Suez Canal ; 
its width is 490 ft. as against the width of the 
Suez Canal of 200 ft. It has got so many 
engineering difficulties. Moreover, this project 
was started in 1965. The canal was construc- 
ted quite remarkably. We are going to do it 
in eight years. The hon. members may 
recall that the Rajasthan Canal has been 
going on for the last 15 years and yet, we 
are no where near completion. This project 
involves a large amount of work. ( Interruption ) 
The reasons for the delay have been given. 
In 197 i there were heavy floods. The whole 
area was flooded. 'She working season was 
little. One of the most important reasons is 
labour unrest in 1969. The hon. Member 
referred to Mr. Debesh Mukherjee who was 
my friend though he differs from me now. 
The General Manager told me— he complained 
very bitterly about this unrest — , ‘Dr. Rao, my 
driver drives the car at a speed of five kilometres 
per hour ; I want to get down and walk, but 
he does not allow me to walk ; what is this 
trouble. He was the General Manager in 
1969. I did not want to quote all these 
things. The hon. members must know that 
I have the privilege of being associated with 
this project for long ; perhaps nobody else, 
no other engineer, has been so long associated 
with this as I have been. I have been associa- 
ted right from the beginning, right from the 
first step- when it was investigated and what 
has to be done and so on, as early as 1955. 
It will be one of my privileges to see that this 
project functions and objectively works in the 
way we wanted.it. No engineer in this world 
would say that once the project is designed 
and constructed, he will not see the fruits 
thereof. Therefore, the hon. Members are 
unnecessarily attributing motives. 

The situation i9 difficult. There are three 
possibilities. It is all given in the report. 
Also I want to tell the hon. Members that the 
interests of the country do not lie in putting 
one State against the other or one project 
against the other. We are not interested in 
one particular project. We want to develop 
the whole country. I want to submit very 
dearly that we want to take irrigation potential 



339 Failure of AUGUST 

[Dr. K, L. Rao] 

of this region from 24% as early as possible, 
in the next ten yean. After all, the problem is 
not hopeless. It is of an intricate nature, we 
will be able to find a solution. We will be 
able to achieve all the three objectives that 
have been mentioned in the last page of this 
statement. 

SHRI B. K. D ASGHOWDH URY : I want 
to make one thing clear. 

Nobody desires that there should not 
be any development projections. All the 
development projections should be there. 

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DR. K. L. RAO : With regard to Bangla 
Desh, it has been made clear in the statement 
that the legitimate interests of Bangla Desh 
will be taken into account and I am pretty 
certain that the great neighbouring country 
of Bangla Desh and ourselves will be able to 
sort out the various problems connected with 
this. 

With regard to the other question, about 
delay, I have already made it clear. 
I am not expecting any more delay 
in this project. There may be delays in the 
completion, by one or two months, but that 
is nothing. In a big and magnificent project 
like this, the like of which has not been done 
anywhere else in the world, nature plays a 
large part. Nature could have easily obstruc- 
ted us more but we are prepared for many 
more difficulties. We saved Rs. 10 crorefl 
because of nature’s gift. We have been able 
to do the work in about 8 years. This took 
us from 1963 to 1971, that is, 8 years. We 
have done this magnificent work, The canal 
was a bit late when we started because we 
were engaged in the difficult job of the bar- 
rage and so the work of the canal was started 
late in 1965. We are hoping to complete it 
by 1973. I don’t want to say anything else, 
so that hon. Members may not get angry 
with me later on. I wish the same speed and 
the same quickness is given in respect of 
the other projects in the States themselves. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I will be the 
first to congratulate you, if you can complete 
it by 1973, 



341 Failure of SRAVANA 25, 

DR. K. L. RAO : I can assure the hon. 
Member this. If there is no labour problem, 
it will be completed by 1 973. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Lakhs of 
workers of U. P. and Bihar are there. . 

MR. SPEAKER : You have one leg in 
Bengal and another leg in U.P. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am proud 
of U. P. They have elected a Bengalee. They 
are not parochial. I know that lakhs of 
people from U. P. and Bihar have gone to 
Bengal in search of jobs. We want that all 
the industries in Bengal, especially Calcutta 
port, must be restored to their normal con- 
dition. Every lady used to sing ; 

^r, i It was sung by 

every girl. Because, people used to go to Bengal 
Desh. 

In his statement the hon. Minister has 
assured the people of U. P. and Bihar that 
there will be no shortage of water in U. P. 
and Bihar for the kharif season. We are told 
that the sub-soil water can be tapped for 
irrigation in the Gangctic valley. Previously, 
Dr. Rao used to say that attempts will be made 
to have Ganga- Brahmaputra project. Now he 
says attempts will be made for Ganga-Gauvery 
project. I don’t know why this diversion has 
come about. He is an engineer, I am not. 

In case the Ganga-Brahmaputra canal has 
come about, it would have benefited practi- 
cally most of these States, especially those States 
which were suffeiing because of the power 
shortage and water shortage. About Gandak 
project it has been stated that this will bene- 
fit Bihar, Nepal, U.P. etc. This is under 
construction since 1958. In view of the con- 
troversy over Gangetic water from Farrakka, 

I wish to submit that all these controversies 
must stop. 40,000 cusecs of water to be sup- 
plied to Farrakka, for revival of the Calcutta 
port is in our interest and for the people of 
U.P. and no further dispute should arise. 
But, Dr. Rao’s statement has created some 
controversies, some imaginary and some real, 
among the people of UP., Bihar and Bengal. 
Mr. Daschowdhury congratulated Chief 
Minister of Bengal and said, he will be known 
as Bhagirath. Sir, no further dispute should 
arise between the three States. They must 
live like neighbours. I wish to ask him one 
important question : Will the hon. Minister 
agree to set up a Control Board ? I know, 
this was envisaged previously. May I know 
whether a control board will be set up con- 
sisting of the representatives of Bengal, U. P. 


1894 (SAKA) Gaol, to complete Farakka 342 
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and Bihar so that all disputes might be sett- 
led by mutual consultations then and there 
and the people of Bengal would not have to 
issue a statement against U. F» We could 
include all the three chief Ministers in the 
control board ? And also Members of Par- 
liament and experts from all the three States 
to resolve any dispute which may arise in 
future. I would like to know whether such a 
central board or control board is likely to be 
established. 

I would also like to know why the Ganga- 
Brahmaputra canal has been given up in 
favour of the Ganga-Cauvery link. What is 
good in the Cauvery which is not there in 
the Brahmaputra ? I have seen all the rivers, 
but I do not know their virtues and vices. So, 
I would like to know from the hon. Minister 
why the Ganga-Brahmaputra canal has been 
given up. 

DR. K. L. RA0 : The Ganga-Brahma- 
putra canal is very much in our mind. 
Actually, it is one of the projects which we 
think is all very vital, but so far we have not 
comeout with execution, because we have to 
clear the problems of the Bangla Desh region 
through which the canal passes. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; Now, that is 
possible. 

DR. K. L RAO : For obvious reasons 
wc cannot make any statement about it like 
that. I am sure hon. Members will find that 
in all our statements, wc have only used the 
phrase diversions from the neighbouring basins. 
The Ganga basin has got to be and may be 
assisted in some respects by division from 
neighbouring basins. That is the statement 
that hon. Members will find all along. The 
neighbouring basin is the Brahmaputra basin. 

I would submit once again that the Ganga- 
Cauvery will be greatly assisted and would 
become greatly' valuable by the diversion 
from the Brahmaputra. In fact, it is in the 
interests of the Ganga-Gauvery link that the 
Brahmaputra link must come. I do not want 
to expatiate on it and go too much into this 
subject, because I do not want to go into 
further details at this stage, since we have 
not yet cleared it with the great country, 
Bangla Desh, many other details and so on; we 
have not even discussed it. So, I would leave 
it at that. 

I want to assure the hon. Member that 
we want to connect not only these two 
rivers, but our object is, and in fact, that 



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[Dr. K. L. Rao] 

is the modern technique throughout the whole 
world, and in fact, the best technique for 
India or the next decade or the next century 
will be to link up the waters so that the rivers 
with surplus water could be linked up with 
rivers with less water which supply deficit 
areas and thus there could be exchange of 
water from one river to the other. This is the 
main thing. The Brahmaputra is one river 
whose waters are not used at all. Practically 
no water from that river is used. So, it will 
be a great source of water for us. It will be, 
therefore, our endeavour to use its waters. 
Almost all the modern techniques will be used 
and will be pressed into service to see that 
we arc able to use the waters of the Brahma- 
putra to the maximum extent for the service 
of India. 

The hon. Member had suggested the set- 
ting up of a control board Thcic are already 
the zonal councils at whfLh these are discus- 
sed. Any way, the hon. Member’s suggestion 
is a veiy good suggestion, since West Bengal 
belongs to one zonal council and U.P. 
belongs to another. So, we can create a body 
where the whole Ganga basin could be re- 
presented. We shall consider this suggestion. 

13.39 hrs. 

RE. PRESENTATION OF TAMRA-PAT- 
RAS TO FREEDOM-FIGHTERS 

MR. SPEAKER ; Now we shall take up 
the next item of business. 

SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NA1R 
(Quilon) : I seek your permission to raise an 
important matter, and I have already written 
to you also seeking your permission to raise 
the question about the Tainra-patras which 
have been presented to the freedom-fighters. 
Tanira-patias have been presented to those 
people who have never seen the inside of 
a prison. I want to raise this question, beca- 
use as you would agree, it is a question of 
national importance. It is an insult to the 
freedom-fighters on the one side that these 
Tamra- patras should have been given to per- 
sons who have never been inside a prison, 
and secondly it is an insult to the other regi- 
onal languages which have been listed in the 
Constitution, to have the inscription only 
in Hindi and then give it. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN (Madras 
North) : Please permit me to say a few 


words on this matter ? I shall conclude with- 
in a minute, after saying something regarding 
the issue raised by my hon. friend Shri N. 
Sreekantan Nair. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN: On behalf 
of my Party, we offer our felicitations to the 
freedom fighters. That is one thing. The 
second is that they have come from all over 
the country, from all the States. But the 
tamra patra given to them is inscribed only in 
Hindi, which is against the Constitution. The 
Constitution has recognised two languages as 
official languages, one Hindi and the other 
English. Unfortunately, the freedom fighters 
from Tamil Nadu, fiom Orissa and from 
Bengal cannot read anything inscribed on it. I 
think this is an indirect way of encroaching 
upon the domain of the non-Hindi-speaking 
areas. The freedom fighters from these areas 
arc insulted . . ( Interruptions ), absolutely insulted. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. There 
should be no conti oversy over this. I had no 
intimation from him about this. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : I sa>, this is 
a calculated and cunning move to infiltrate 
into the non-Hindi-speaking domain, I warn 
the Hindi-speaking people that if they 
systematically adopt this attitude, history will 
later call them as people who are disintegrat- 
ing this gieat country. This matter should not 
be taken very lightly. You in your wisdom 
have already given directions to the House so 
many times that both Hindi and English 
should be used. 

MR. SPEAKER : I should have had 
some intimation that he wanted to raise this 
matter. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : I would 
request you at least to convey our feelings 
that if this is allowed to continue in future, I 
do not know what will happen. This is my 
warning. 


13.42 hrs. 

RE. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE 

MR. SPEAKER : The call attention 
motion has already taken one hour. I am 
very sorry that the Ministers who have to lay 
papers on the Table, a formal business, have 
to keep sitting for such a long time. 



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346 


SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul) : Arc 
we any less close to your heart, Sir ? 

AN HON. MEMBER : We are also 
members and are sitting. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am thinking of just 
altering the order of the agenda so that the 
business of laying Papers on the Table should 
be over before the calling attention motion is 
taken up, so that Ministers may be free to be 
in the Rajya Sabha on business. Today there 
is also a statement to be made by a Minister. 
They have to go to the other House and 
then come running here when we have not 
finished the call attention. This leads to 
suspense. So the items Papers to be laid on 
the Table and also Statements by Ministers, 
will come earlier so that they can go to the 
other House or do something else. Then we 
will take up the call attention motion. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEK (Kanpur) : 
This should be referred to the Rules Com- 
mittee. 

MR. SPEAKER : You can discuss it. 

SHRI S. M BANERJEE: Supposing 
there is a controversial item, wc would like to 
ask for some clarifications. 

MR. SPEAKER : For that, of course, we 
will give time. Only non-conti oversial items 
will be freed. The point is that the Ministers 
keep waiting and waiting and wc cut into the 
lunch hour also. I hope the House will agree 
with me that what 1 have suggested is the 
correct thing to do. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Let it be 
referred to the Rules Committee. 

MR. SPEAKER : There is no use. . . . 

SHRI S. M, BANERJEE: There are 
many complications. Today is an extra- 
ordinary day. 

MR. SPEAKER : The Rajya Sabha has 
the same procedure. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You are 
hungry, I am hungry, everyone is hungry. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a question of 
being hungry. The call attention motion takes 
a long time and all the time the Ministers 
keep waiting. Just to save time, I have pro- 
posed that the business of laying Papers on 
the Table and Statements by Ministers may 
come earlier— they can be disposed of in a 


few minutes — and then we can take up at 
leisure the call attention motion. There is 
nothing very wrong about it. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; It is a ques- 
tion of giving precedence. 

MR. SPEAKER s The Rajya Sabha is 
the same. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What will 
happen to this ; first, there will be adjourn- 
ment motion, then no-confidence motion, 
then call attention motion or even obituary 
reference. 

MR. SPEAKER : We have to bring 
about certain improvements. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am only 
protecting your interest. Otherwise, they 
will trouble you a lot. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am seeking everyone’s 
goodwill and protection at evety time. I 
actually do not know what bombshell may 
drop at what tune. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Kindly refer 
it to the Rules Committee. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : If you do 
this, it will become very monotonous. 

AN HON. MEMBER : When he is there. 
Will it be monotonous ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I accept 
the compliment. 


13.45 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 

Reviews and Annual Reports of Hindustan 
Housing Factory, Ltd. and N.B.C.C., Ltd., 
New Delhi 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIK- 
SHIT) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy each 
of the following papers (Hindi and English 
versions) under sub-section (1) of section 619A 
of the Companies Act, 1956 : — 

(1) (i) Review by the Government on 
the working of the Hindustan 
Housing Factory Limited, New 
Delhi, for the year 1970-71. 

(ii) Annual Report of the Hindustan 
Housing Factory Limited, New 



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348 


[Shri Uma Shankar Dikshit] 

Delhi, for the year 1970-71 along 
with the Audited Accounts and 
the comments of the Comptroller 
and Auditor General thereon. 
[Placed in Ltbraay See No. LT — 
3361/72] 

(2) (i) Review by the Government on 
the working of the National 
Buildings Construction Corpo- 
ration Limited, New Delhi, for 
the year 1970-71. 

(li) Annual Report of the National 
Buildings Construction Corpo- 
ration Limited, New Delhi, for 
the year 1970-71 along with the 
Audited Accounts and the comm- 
ents of the Comptroller and 
Auditor General thereon. 

[Placed in Library. See No. LT— 3362/72]. 

« 

Notifications under High Court Judges 

Conditions of Service Act, 1954 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : I beg to 
lay on the Table a copy each of the following 
Notifications (Hindi and English versions) 
under sub-section (3) of section 24 of the 
High Court Judges (Conditions of Service) 
Act, 1954 : — 

(1) The High Court Judges (Amendment) 
Rules, 1972. published in Notification 
No. G. S. R. 336 (E) in Gazette of 
India dated 12th July, 1972. 

(2) The High Court Judges Travelling 
Allowance (Amendment) Rules, 1972, 
published m Notification No. G. S. R. 
841 in Gazette of India dated the 
22nd July, 1972. 

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3363/72]. 

Punjab Motor Vehicles (Chandigarh 
Amendment) Rules, 1971 etc. 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : I beg to 
lay on the Table — 

(1) A copy of the Punjab Motor Vehicles 
(Chandigarh Amendment) Rules, 1971 
(Hindi and English versions) publi- 
shed in Notification No. 11935 — HII 
(2)/7 1/29 169 in Chandigarh Adminis- 
tration Gazette dated the 1st January 


1972, under sub-section (3) of section 
133 of the Motor Vehicles Act, 1939. 

(2) A statement (Hindi and English 
vcisions) showing reasons for delay 
in laying the above Notification. 
[Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3364/72]. 

Annual Report of the Indian Standards 
Institution, New Delhi 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- 
MANIAM) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy 
of the Annual Reports (Hindi and English 
versions) of the Indian Standards Institution, 
New Delhi, for the year 1970-71. [Placed in 
Library. See No. LT-3365/72]. 

Sixth Amendment to I.A.S. (Pay) Rules 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : I beg 
to re-lay on the Table a copy of the Sixth 
Amendment of 1972 to the Indian Adminis- 
trative Service (Pay) Rules, 1954 (Hindi and 
English versions) published in Notification 
No. G S R. 281 (E) in Gazette of India 
dated the 20th May, 1972, under sub-section 

(2) of section 3 of the All India Services, 
Act, 1951. [Placed in Library . See No. LT- 
3124/72]. 

Food Corporation (Second Amendment) 
Rules, 1972 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : I beg to lay 
on the Tabic a copy of the Food Corporation 
(Second Amendment) Rules, 1972 (Hindi and 
English versions) published in Notification 
No. G. S. R. 343 (E) in Gazette of India 
dated the 18th July, 1972, under sub-section 

(3) of section 44 of the Food Corporation 
Act, 1964. [Placed in Library . See No. LT- 
3366/72]. 

Notification under Companies Act, 'Tariff 
Commissions Report (1971) re-Vanaspati 
Industry and Govt.'s Resolution Tiiereon 
etc. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : I beg to lay on the 
Table— 

(1) A copy each of the following Noti- 



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350 


349 Papers Laid 

fications (Hindi and English versions) 
under subjection (6) or section 3 of 
the Essential Commodities Act, 1955; — 

(i) The Sugar (Price Determination) 
Order, 1972, published in Noti- 
fication No. G. S. R. 309 (E) in 
Gazette of India dated the 15th 
June, 1972. 

(ii) The Levy Sugar Supply (Control) 
Order, 1972, published in Noti- 
fication No. G. S. R. 310 (E) in 
Gazette of India dated the 15th 
June, 1972. 

(iii) The Levy Sugar Supply (Control) 
Amendment Order, 1972, publi- 
shed in Notification No. G. S. R. 
3 18 (E) in Gazette of India dated 
the 20th June, 1972. 

(iv) The Sugar (Price Determination) 
Amendment Order, 1972, publi- 
shed in Notification No. G. S. R. 
344 (E) in Gazette of India dated 
the 19th July, 1972. 

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3367/72]. 

(2) A copy each of the following papers 
under sub-section (2) of section 16 of 
the Tariff Commission Act, 1951 ; — 

(i) (a) Report (1971) of the Tariff 
Commission on the cost structure 
of and fair price payable to the 
Vanaspati Industry. [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT-3368/72.] 

(b) Government Resolution No. 
6 — VP (15J/72 dated the 27th 
July, 1972 notifying Government's 
decisions on the above Report 
(Hindi and English versions.) 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT- 
3369/72.] 

(ii) A statement (Hindi and English 
versions) showing reasons as to 
why the documents mentioned 
above could not be laid on the 
Table within the period prescribed 
in sub-section (2) of section 16 
of the said Act. [Placed in Library. 
See No. LT— 3369/72.] 

Review and Annual Report op Handi- 
crafts AND HANDLOOMS EXPORTS CORPORATION 
op India Ltd., and Certified Accounts of 
Export Inspection Council and Export 
Inspection Aoencies and Cardamom Board 
for 1970-71 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI L. N. MISHRA) s I beg to lay on 


the Table — 

(1) A copy of the following papers (Hindi 
and English versions) under sub- 
section (I) of section 619A of the 
Companies Act, 1956 — 

(i) Re riew by the Government on the 
working of the Handicrafts and 
Handlooms Exports Corporation of 
India Limited, New Delhi, for the 
year 1970-71. 

(ii) Annual Report of the Handi- 
crafts and Handlooms Exports 
Corporation of India Limited, 
New Delhi, for the year 1970-71 
along with the Audited Accounts 
and the comments of the Comptro- 
ller and Auditor General thereon. 

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3370/72] 

(2) A copy* of the Certified Accounts 
(Hindi and English versions) of the 
Export Inspection Council and Ex- 
port Inspection Agencies for the year 
1970-71 together with the Audit 
Report thereon, under sub -rule (3) 
of Rule 16 of the Export (Quality 
Control and Inspection) Rules, 1964. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT — 3371/ 
72.] 

(3) A copy of the Certified Accounts 
(Hindi and English versions) of the 
Cardamom Board, Ernakulam, for 
the year 1970-71 and the Audit 
Report thereon, under sub-section (4) 
of section 19 of the Cardamom Act, 
1965. [Placed in Library . See No. LT— 
3372/72.] 

Annual Report (Part II) of Registrar of 
Newspapers 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : I beg to lay on the Table — 

( 1 ) A copy of the Annual Report (Part 
II) of the Registrar of Newspapers 
for India on Press in India, 1970. 

(2) A statement (Hindi and English 
versions) explaining the reasons for 
not laying the Hindi version of 
the above Report simultaneously. 

[Placed in Library . See No. LT— 3373/72.] 



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AUGUST 16 , 1972 /. A. Aircraft mar Palam (St.) 352 


MR. SPEAKER : With your permission, 
the order will be changed so that they will 
be freed earlier because after that we can 
place all these things together, call attention, 
377 and all that. 

SHRI SEZHIYAN : Gall attention is on 
an urgent and important matter and this 
matter should be studied by the Rules 
Committee. 

MR. SPEAKER : The formal business 
should be finished ; there should be no 
controversy about it. I hope you will all 
kindly agree to it. 

13.47 hrs. 

STATEMENT CORRECTING ANSWER 
TO S. Q. NO. 14 RE BEHAVIOUR OF 
DOCTORS IN DELHI HOSPITALS TO- 
WARDS VICTIMS OF A CAR ACCIDENT 

THE MINISTER OF ' WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : I beg to lay a statement 
correcting the answer given on the 31st July, 
1972 to Starred Question No. 14 by Shri D. 
K. Panda regarding the behaviour of Doctors 
in Delhi hospitals with victims of car accident. 

Statement 

In the statement referred to in reply to 
Starred Question No. 14 on 31st July, 1972 
by Shri D. K. Panda, it was stated that of 
the 10 patients 2 subsequently died, 6 were 
discharged and 2 were still under treatment 
at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences 
Hospital. The number of persons who died 
and who were discharged was given incorr- 
ectly and I wish to correct the same. The 
correct position is that out of 10 patients 4 
died subsequendy, 4 were discharged, 1 left 
against medical advice and 1 patient is still 
under treatment at the Hospital. 

I regret the inconvenience caused to the 
House. 

13.48 hrs. 

STATEMENT RE CRASH OF AN INDIAN 
AIRLINES FOKKER FRIENDSHIP AIR- 
CRAFT NEAR PALAM AIRPORT ON 

11 . 8 . 1972 . 

MR. SPEAKER : Dr. Karan Singh. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 


Why not a call attention motion on this 
matter ? We have demanded a judicial 
enquiry. I tell you that people from Calcutta, 
Members from Calcutta, Madras all travel in 
Caravelle or jets ; we have to travel in Fokker 
Friendship ; it is people like us who die. . • 

( Interruptions .) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : This type of statement takes us 
nowhere because the Minister says things 
which we do not accept. We say that this 
accident took place due to lack of precision 
approach radar. They have not installed it 
in India. Please allow us either 193 discussion 
or call attention ; let us not hear sou motu 
statements from the Ministers. 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him make the 
statement. 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
It is with shock that the Hon’ble Members 
will have learnt of the tragic crash of Indian 
Airlines Fokker VT-DME on the night of the 
11th. The aircraft was on a scheduled flight 
from Bombay to Delhi via Indore, Bhopal and 
Gwalior and took off from Gwalior at 9.10 
p. m. The aircraft had 14 passengers and 4 
crew members on board. After leaving Gwa- 
lior it was in normal contact with the Delhi 
air traffic control. The weather situation over 
Delhi was communicated to the aircraft in 
flight. It approached the runway in order to 
effect an instrument landing but was unable 
to land on its first attempt and earned out a 
missed approach. It then made a circuit for 
a second approach to land and reported to 
the Control tower that its position was then 
over the outer marker. The pilot was direc- 
ted by the Control tower to report “visual”. 
There was, however, no response from the 
plane and in spite of repeated calls to it con- 
tact could not be re-established. 

At 10.44 p.m., two minutes after the last 
contact had been made with the aircraft, 
rescue and fire fighting services were alerted. 
At 10.53 p.m. an Indian Airlines Caravelle 
which was then coming in to Delhi was also 
directed to look out for the missing aircraft. 
Two minutes later a report was received from 
the Caravelle that a fire had been observed 
towards its left side, short of the middle mar- 
ker. The rescue and fire fighting services were 
immediately directed to proceed along the 
final approach area and to make a thorough 
search between the outer and the middle 
marker. A crash fire tender, a rescuer tender 



353 /. /. andS . C. (r«Jfcw* SRAVANA 25, 

owr of Management ) 2?i7/ 

and an ambulance promptly started the search* 
Due to the difficult terrain, adverse weather 
conditions and darkness, the vehicles were 
unable to reach the scene of the accident, 
but foot parties from the vehicles including 
some police personnel reached the site of the 
wreckage at 12.30 a.m. near village Maksudpur 
about 3 miles East of the runway. They found 
that the aircraft had completely disintegrated 
on impact with the ground and its wreckage 
was strewn over an area of approximately 
half a mile. There were no survivors and the 
bodies of the passengers and crew had been 
torn apart. There was no fire at the time. 
Separately, Indian Airlines had also sent out 
search parties along with a doctor and an 
ambulance. 

The commander of the ill-fated plane was 
Gapt. J. M. Thapar who had a total flying 
experience of about 8,000 hours, 3,000 of them 
on F-27 planes including over 1000 in com- 
mand. A Court of Inquiry presided over by 
Shri Justice Rajinder Sachar of the Delhi 
High Court is being constituted to enquire 
into the causes and circumstances of this 
tragic accident. 

The House will share my profound sense 
of shock and join me in expressing sympathy 
with the families of those killed It is a matter 
of deep sorrow that one of the passengers of 
this plane was a colleague of ours, Shrimati 
Minimata Agamdas Guru. 

SHRI R. V. SW AMI NATHAN (Madurai) : 
Mr. Speaker, will you permit some questions 
on this statement or allow a discussion ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, you 
should either allow a calling attention or a 
discussion under rule 193 because there were 
serious lapses on the part of the airport autho- 
rities. 

MR. SPEAKER : A judicial enquiry has 
already been ordered. Let me think over it. 

13.50 hr s. 

INDIAN IRON AND STEEL COMPANY 
(TAKING OVER OF MANAGEMENT) 
BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : Sir, on behalf of 
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam, l beg to move 
for' leave to introduce a Bill to provide for 

* Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary 


1894 {SAKA) /. /. and S. C. {Taking 354 
over of Management) Ord . 

the taking over of the management of the 
undertaking of the Indian Iron and Steel 
Company Limited for a limited period in the 
public interest and in order to secure the 
proper management of the undertaking. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : Why 
for a limited period ? Why not permanently? 

MR. SPEAKER : He will explain that 
when the Bill is taken up for consideration. 
The question is : 

“That leave be granted to introduce a 
Bill to provide for the taking over of the 
management of the undertaking of the 
Indian Iron and Steel Company Limited 
for a limited period in the public interest 
and in order to secure the proper manage- 
ment of the undertaking.** 

The motion was adopted . 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN I intro- 
duce the Bill. 

13.52 hrs. 

STATEMENT RE. INDIAN IRON AND 
STEEL COMPANY (TAKING OVER OF 
MANAGEMENT) ORDINANCE, 1972 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : Sir, on behalf of 
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam, I beg to lay 
on the Table an explanatory statement (Hindi 
and English versions) giving reasons for 
immediate legislation by the Indian Iron and 
Steel Company (Taking over of Management) 
Ordinance, 1972, under rule 71 (1) of the 
Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business 
in Lok Sabha. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is nearing 2 O’clock. 
Lunch hour has been taken up by the other 
business. If you like, we can continue, 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : We 
do not want you to be hungry because hunger 
and anger go together. 

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t think about me ; 
think about you. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Why should you think we are so 
heartless ? 

MR. SPEAKER: All right. We will 
adjourn for lunch and meet at 3 O'clock. 

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356 


13.54 hrs. 

The Lok Sabha adjourned for Lunch till Fifteen of 
the Clock . 


The Lok Sabha re-assembled at two minutes past 
Fifteen of the Clock . 

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ] 

• 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) s Sir, before you take up the regular 
business, 1 wish to raise two points. Last 
week, on the 10th of August, I handed over 
to you a true copy of the interim report of 
the Wanchoo Committee, duly authenticated 
by me. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The matter 
is being considered. It is under consideration. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Seven days 
have passed. Government have more or less 
accepted certain recommendations, like the 
one on imposing a ceiling on cash holdings. 
Why is the government not coming forward 
with the copy of the report ? It should be 
made available to Members. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is true it 
has taken some time. But it is still under con- 
sideration. I hope the decision would be taken 
soon. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then, I 
had given notice of a privilege motion against 
Shri Siddheswar Prasad for misleading the 
House in reply to a question on Asian Cable 
Corporation Limited. Shri K. P. Goenka . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He has to 
give prior notice. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have 
given notice to office. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then it is 
under consideration. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Ministers 
are trying to protect big business. . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What he says 
will not go on record. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : * * * 

15.05 hrs. 

DISTURBED AREAS (SPECIAL COURTS) 
BILL— Contd* 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We resume 


discussion on the Disturbed Areas (Special 
Courts) Bill. In the discussion on the last 
occasion, the House at one stage agreed to 
refer the Bill to the Joint Committee and then, 
subsequently, rescinded that decision. Before 
we proceed with the Bill I would like to know 
what the Minister has got to say about it. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : We had 
agreed that this Bill should be referred to a 
Joint Committee. The original intention of 
the Government was to proceed with the Bill. 
But in view of the various opinions that were 
expressed by the hon. Members and possible 
difficulties that might arise in the Bill, in 
deference to the wishes of the hon. Members, 
Government agreed that the Bill may be 
referred to a Joint Select Committee. Then, 
about the composition of the Committee there 
were some difficulties. I have given notice of 
a substitute motion. If you allow it, I will 
move it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
two Motions to refer the Bill to the Joint 
Committee, one by Shri R. D. Bhandare and 
the other by Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha. If 
Mr. Bhandare wants to press for his Motion, 
then I will have to put that first to the House. 
That is not pressed. Then, let the Minister 
move his Motion. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I beg 
to move : 

“That the Bill to provide for the speedy 
trial of certain offences in certain areas 
and for matters connected therewith, be 
referred to a Joint Committee of the Houses 
consisting of 45 members, 30 from this 
House, namely : — 

Shri R. D. Bhandare, Shri M. C. Daga, 
Shri Madhu Dandavate, Shri Tulsidas Dasappa, 
Shri Biren Dutta, Shri C. D. Gautam, Shri 
Dinesh Chander Goswami, Shrimati Subhadra 
Joshi, Dr. Kailas, Shri Purushottam Kakodkar, 
Shri Sat Pal Kapur, Shri L. D. Kotoki, 
Shrimati T. Lakshmikanthamma, Shri Mukhtiar 
Singh Malik, Shri Prasannbhai Mehta, 
Shri G. S. Mishra, Shri F. H, Mohsin, 
Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Shri Balakrishna 
Venkanna Naik, Shri Sarjoo Pandey, 
Shri K. C. Pant, Shri H. M. Patel, Shri M. 
Satyanarayan Rao, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait, 


•** Not recorded. 



357 Disturbed Areas (Spl. Courts) SRAVANA 25, 
Bill 

Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma, Shri B. R. Shukla, 
Shri N. Tombi Singh, Shri G. M. Stephen, 
Shri K. Veeriah, Shri R. P. Yadav, 
and 15 from Rajya Sabha ; 

that in order to constitute a sitting of 
the Joint Committee the quorum shall be 
one-third of the total number of members 
of the Joint Committee ; 

that the Committee shall make a 
report to this House by the first day of 
the next session ; 

that in other respects the Rules of 
Procedure of this House relating to Parlia- 
mentary Committees shall apply with such 
variations and modifications as the Speaker 
may make ; and 

that this House do recommend to 
Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join 
the said Joint Committee and communicate 
to this House the names of 15 members 
to be appointed by Rajya Sabha to the 
Joint Committee.” 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That the Bill to provide for the 
speedy trial of certain offences in certain 
areas and for inatteis connected therewith, 
be referred to a Joint Committee of the 
Houses consisting of 45 members, 30 from 
this House, namely : — 

Shri R. D. Bhandare, Shri M. C. Daga, 
Shri Madhu Dandavate, Shri Tulsidas Dasappa, 
Shri Bircn Dutta, Shri C. D. Gautam, Shri 
Dincsh Ghandor Ooswami, Shrimati Subhadra 
Joshi, Dr. Kailas, Shri Purushottam Kakodkar, 
Shri Sat Pal Kapur, Shri L. D. Kotoki, 
Shrimati 1 Lakshmikanthamma, Shri 
Mukhtiar Singh Malik, Shri Prasannbhai 
Mehta, Shri G. S. Mishra, Shri F. H Mohsin, 
Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Shri Balakrishna 
Venkanna Naik, Shri Sarjoo Pandey, Shri 
K. C. Pant, Shri H. M. Patel, Shri M. Satya- 
narayan Rao, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait, 
Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma, Shri B. R. Shukla, 
Shri N. Tombi Singh, Shri C. M. Stephen, 
Shri K. Veeriah, Shri R. P. Yadav, and 15 
from Rajya Sabha ; 

that in order to constitute a sitting 
of the Joint Committee the quorum shall 
be one-third of the total number of 
members of the Joint Committee ; 

that the Committee shall make a 
report to this House by the first day of 
the next session ; 


1894 (&4£4) Income-tax (Arndt.) Bill 358 

that in other respects the Rules of 
Procedure of this House relating to Parlia- 
mentary Committee shall apply with such 
variations and modifications as the Speaker 
may make ; and 

that this House do recommend to 
Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join 
the said Joint Committee and communicate 
to this House the names of 15 members 
to be appointed by Rajya Sabha to the 
Joint Committee. 1 * 

The motion was adopted. 


15.08 hrs. 

INCOME-TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then, we 
take up further discussion of the Income-tax 
(Amendment) Bill. Shri Bade was on his legs. 

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“In the recent case of Indian Alumi- 
nium Co. Ltd. vs. Commissioner of Income- 
tax (1972) 84 I. T. R. 735, the Supreme 
Court virtually overruled its earlier deci- 
sion in Travancore Titanium Product Ltd. 
vs. Commissioner of Income-tax (1966) 
60 I. T. R. 277, and held that wealth-tax 
paid by an assessee in respect of business 
assets is deductible as a business expense 
in competing the assessee’s income from 
business.’ * 

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359 Income-tax (Arndt.) 6iU 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


Income-tax (Arndt.) BUI 960 


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tax together with the surcharge in India is 
97.75 per cent compared toj8.5 per cent in 
Canada, 75.4 per cent in U. K., 70 per cent 
in Nigeria, 70 per cent in Australia, 80 per 
cent in USA, 75 per cent in France and 50 
per cent in Pakistan. 

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SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (llctul) : This 
Bill has nothing to do with the Wanchoo 
Commission. It has a very limited purpose. 
The time is very short 

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We can say something concerning income- 
tax and the procedure laid down. There is the 
ruling of the Supreme Court of 1972. They 
have overruled the previous ruling. Therefore, 
I am saying that it should be simpler. But, 
on the contrary, they have said this. 

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“We have carefully considered the 
pros and cons and we feel that the system 
can have great utility in such matters like 
deciding the tax implications of proposed 
foreign collaboration agreements. It would 
be in national interest to ensure that such 
projects are not subsequently shaken to 
the foundation by an adverse stand taken 
by the income-tax authorities. We are 
convinced that a system of advance rulings 



361 tncom-lax (Arndt.) BUI SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) Income-tax (. Arndt .) Bill 362 


will help in resolving ambiguities and 

doubts in time. . . ” 

Boards should be appointed and that is what 
is said on page 163 of the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee's report. . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I think the 
scope of the Bill is very limited . . 

SHRI R. V. BADE : There are so many 
ambiguities in the income tax law. .« 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Discussion 
about ambiguities would be a much bigger 
discussion. Here the point is that the wealth 
tax of a person should not be deducted from 
the taxable income. 

SHRI R. V. BADE: If you read the 
Statement of Objects and Reasons, they have 
given the same thing. In the recent ruling of 
1972 the Supreme Court has overruled the 
previous rulings and, therefore, this ambiguity 
is there. Why I should explain is because the 
law is very complicated and the Wanchoo 
Committee has recommended that there should 
be a Special Tribunal which will solve the 
complicated questions. That is on page 163. 
I am saying the same thing that the Income 
Tax law is so complicated and there are so 
many amendments that an ordinary man 
cannot understand it. So, the Supreme Court 
has overruled the previous rulings and hence 
the Ordinance. The whole income tax law is 
very much complicated I oppose this because 
of the complexities of the income tax law. 
Therefore, I oppose this wealth tax. A man 
should not be taxed twice. If he is taxed to 
wealth tax; then he should not be subject to 
income tax. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betulj : I rise 
to support this Bill. . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We are 
taking up some other business at 3 30. So, 
please try to conclude by that time. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : I will try, 
Sir. 

I rise to support this Bill for grounds 
which are different and may be at variance 
with those enumerated in the Statement of 
Objects and Reasons appended to the Bill 
itself. In fact, this legislative measure which 
has been sponsored by this Bill stands on its 
own intrinsic merits, unrelated to the case 
made out in the Statement and for extraneous 
reasons. I would never canvass support for 
this Bill either for supersession of the judgment 


rendered in the case of Indian Aluminium by 
the Supreme Court. I would submit in all 
humility that that is the judgment, that is a 
right judgment. I do not for a moment seek 
support for the supersession of that judgment 
nor do I seek support for this Bill merely on 
the consideration of administrative convenience 
nor do I seek support for this Bill because in 
the absence of this or if we arc not going to 
pass this law, it is likely to cause some loss to 
the Exchequer. The Bill goes to create a 
concept about taxable income so far as the 
business income concerned and we are not 
going to pass such laws creating concepts, 
artificial concepts of business income. Not for 
any of these considerations do I support this 
Bill. I support this Bill for some thing much 
deeper. It concerns very sound principles of 
fiscal legislation because, as a result of this 
Bill, we are able to remedy a defect, we arc 
able to remedy a lacuna in the law of income 
tax if the incorrc tax law is correlated in 
juxtaposition to the wealth tax law. I will 
explain the position to Mr. Bade and he will 
immediately realise how inequitous the aggre- 
gate burden of income tax and the wealth 
tax is hkely to become if this law was not 
amended the way we have sought to amend. 
As a result of this Bill and when this Bill 
becomes law, the wealth tax paid by an 
asscssee will not be an allowable deduction, 
against his taxable income under the head 
‘business’ or under the head ‘income from 
other sources’. It would be assured that the 
burden of wealth-tax would become even on 
all the assessces with reference to quantum of 
the net wealth, so that the aggregate payment 
of income-tax and wealth tax does not become 
desparate in two different areas who have 
wealth of the same value, of the same income, 
but one has the business income and the 
other has got income from some ocher source 
other than business. How this will become 
inequitous will be illustrated by me just now. 
The judgment is correct ; that is why we have 
come with this law. That is why we have 
come with the amendment of the law. I am 
supporting the rationable of the law. I will 
explain this. Take assessce A. Take assessec 
B. A has business income. He has 3.30 lakhs. 
The liability of A is Rs. 30,000 for wealth 
tax. Take assessee B. He has rental income 
or income from house properties etc. The 
wealth-tax liability is Rs. 30,000. In case of 
both A and B, taxable income would be 
3.30 lakhs. In the absence of this law, persons 
whose incomes are from business have to pay 
a wealth tax of Rs. 30,000. The determination 
of business income as a total of taxable income 



363 Income-tax (Arndt.) Sill 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


Inconu-tax ( Arndt .) Bill 364 


[Shri N. K. P. Salve] 

of Rs. 3.30 lakhs and will give a deduction of 
Rs. 30,000. This calculation would amount to 
Rs. 2,49,550 whereas in the case of B, it will 
be Rs. 2,78,875. Thciefore, the liability in 
the case of one is Rs. 29,325 more. This type 
of discrimination is there, as my hon. friend 
will see. 

SHRI R. V. BADE : The second para 
of the statement says that the Ordinance 
amended the Income-tax Act, 1961, retros- 
pectively from April 1, 1962, to provide that 
wealth-tax payable by a person dciiving 
income chargeable under the head 'Profits 
and gains of business or profession’ or 'income 
from other sources’ will not be allowed as a 
deduction in commuting taxable income under 
these heads. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : That is exactly 
the point. That is what is sought to be done 
in this Bill. I have explained how inequitous 
the discrimination would be in the case of 
assessccs who are both similary situated. One 
has assets put of business and the other has 
other-than business income. In view of the 
decision of the Supreme Court in the Indian 
Aluminium Company Ltd. this is what is 
sought to be remedied. I do not subscribe 
to what is stated in the statement of Object# 
and Reasons appended to the Bill. That 
is a very highly bureaucratic approach to 
the matter. They take only the one part ; 
they do not sec me the mam part. I do not 
foi a moment submit that the decision of 
the Supreme Court in the Indian Aluminium 
Company given in No. 84 ITR is not the 
correct judgment ; that is a correct judge- 
ment ; but then, the Supreme Court is 
supposed to give interpretation on the law 
as it stands. We should amend the law. The 
eailier derision of the Supreme Court was 
not correct because it was on the basis of 
the old decision in the House of Commons. 
It did not hold the field after 10 years in 
England and it was referred to a much 
larger bench. They said “Wealth tax payment 
is allowable deduction.” 

I may also explain why in the earlier 
case it was held that wealth tax was not an 
allowable deduction. They said that wealth 
tax was levied on a person qua the owner 
of a property and on qua the trader, and,' 
therefore, it would not be an allowable 
deduction. That was the decision in the 
case of Travancore Titanium, which was report- 
ed in 1966 (60, ITR ; p. 235). But then 
bsequently it was held that a trader’s 


liability could not be isolated from his liability 
qua the owner of the property. For, if bonus 
is paid, does he pay bonus as the employer 
or does he pay it as a trader ? If he pays 
rent for the premises in which he is carrying 
on business, and rent is allowed as business 
expenditure, docs he pay rent as a trader or 
as a tenant ? Suppose he pays rates and 
taxes to the municipality or the local author- 
ity, does he pay those taxes as qua trader or 
qua owner ? A view has been taken con- 
sistently and courts have been giving their 
interpretation — it has to be a dynamic inter- 
pretation, and it cannot be a static concept — 
that a trader’s liability was expanding always, 
and, therefore, they had in the Aluminium 
case that wealth tax liability was a legitimate 
allowable liability. There was nothing wrong 
with that decision. But in the absence of this 
law, I have pointed out to you how equitous 
the aggregate liability of income-tax and 
wealth tax would have become. The State- 
ment of Objects and Reasons, instead of 
bringing out this particular point, has got 
itself embroiled in the two decisions etc. of 
which advantage is taken by Shri R. V. Bade 
who has criticised it without coming to the 
merits. 

Now, I want someone to tell us what is 
wrong in it ; if the aggregate liability of income- 
tax and wealth tax in respect of two assessccs 
similarly situated is to be brought on a par, 
then this law is particularly utterly necessary. 
Therefore, I commend this Bill, but finally 
one word more, and I have done. 

This is a case where the Supreme Court 
has given decision m favour of the assessee 
and against the Department, because of the 
faulty drafting, and, therefore, we have given 
promptly in this House to amend the law. 
Sometimes it is the other way round, and 
decisions are given by the Supreme Court 
or observations are made which are against 
the assessecs and in favour of the Department. 
It is equally necessary in those cases also 
where the intent of the legislation is in favour 
of the assessee, but due to faulty drafting, 
the Supreme Court has held it against the 
assessee and in favour of the Department, the 
Department must not delay the bringing 
forward of legislation. 

With these words, I support the Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER s Now, Shri 
Baladh anday u tham . 

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobilli) : 



365 


Schemes for 


SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) development of backward 366 

areas (Motn.) 


May I seek one clarification from Shri 
N.K.P. Salve ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He can seek 
a clarification from the Minister and not from 
a member. When he speaks he can have his 
say. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM 
(Coimbatore) : I welcome this amendment 
for the simple reason that it will add to the 
resources of the Government, though not 
further the socio-economic objectives about 
which Shri K. R. Ganesh elaborated the 
other day, because it does not require any 
argument now that the achievement of the 
socio-economic objective through the method 
of taxation has proved a failure in the last two 
or three years. We are celebrating the Silver 
jubilee of the failure of the policy of taxation 
with socio-economic objectives . . . 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : This refers only to direct taxes. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM : 
Even in the field of direct taxation the socio- 
economic objective is not being achieved, be- 
cause the reply came from Shri Piloo Mody 
immediately that they were not going to pay 
the taxes . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. 
Member can continue his speech on the next 
day. 

15.28 hrs. 

MOTION RE: SEPARATE CENTRAL 
SCHEMES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 
B \CKWARD AREAS 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall 
now take up the motion by Shri Nathu Ram 
Ahirwar on the separate development schemes 
for the backward areas . . . 

SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : May I 
submit that more time should be given ? . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Let me 
finish what I am going to say. I have not 
even finished my sentence. 

This is a subject in which many Members 
feel involved, and, therefore, the tendency 
will be to make their submissions as strong as 
possible, and also as long as possible. But £ 
would like to draw the attention of the House 
to the fact that only two hours have been 
allotted for this discussion. At 5.30 p. m., 


we are taking up another matter. Therefore, 
I would request that the Members who speak 
will kindly be as brief and precise and 
incisive as possible. 

Now, Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar. 

SHRI P. K. DEO : May £ submit that 
this is a very important subject ? We talk 
of socialism and all that. There is appalling 
regional imbalance. It would not be possible 
to do justice to the subject if we have only 
two hours. So, I submit that more time 
should be given . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Let us see. 

SHRI P. K DEO : ... So, I submit that 
at your discretion you many extend it by one 
hour. I think that is the sense of the House 
also. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY (Cooch- 
Bchar) rose — ^ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Before we 
begin, more time is wasted on this. 

SHRI P. K. DEO : We should have at 
least three hours. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I 
have submitted one amendment to the 
motion. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We will sec 
about it. Wc have not come to that stage. 

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367 Schemes for AUGUST 16, 1972 development of backward 368 

areas ( Motn .) 


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SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : On a 
point of order. You wanted this to be a sort 
of a general discussion. Luckily we have in 
our midst our Planning Ministers. I wonder 
whether it would not be fitting if the scope 
of the discussion on this is broadened to cover 
the entire backward areas. .(Interruptions.) We 
have submitted some amendments. If it is 
going to be considered tomorrow also, our 
amendments and motions will be in time. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall do 
something at that stage. 


16, 1972 development of backward 372 
areas (Motn.) 

SHRI P. K. DEO : You should extend 
the time to three hours. 

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areas ( Motn .) 


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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion 
moved : 

“That this House is of opinion that 
separate development central schemes be 
undertaken for the backward areas in the 
country, such as Eastern U. P., Bundel- 
khand in Madhya Pradesh, Ghhota Nagpur, 
in Bihar so that these areas may not lag 
behind other developing areas’*. 

Three arc a number of amendments given 
notice of by Members. The amendments of those 
who had given them in time had been circulated. 
A number of amendments weic sent only today. 
In view of the importance of the subject, and 
Members are very much involved in it as they 
should be, and because the last two days were 
holidays, I shall accept all the amendments 
given notice of even today, with the difference 
that those Members who gave amendments 
only today, when they stand up to move their 
amendments, would read them out because 
they have not been circulated. 

SHRI P. K. DEO : They could be circu- 
lated now. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is 
some physical limit to what could be done. 
The time allotted is limited and even with 
extension of time, it will not be possible to 
give the members as much time as they would 
like. Therefore, I will request hon. member 
to be precise. Very ofien, when you are 
precise, you are more effective. 

SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA (Motihari) : I 
beg to move : 

- That in the motion, — 
for “in Bihar'* substitute — 


“Santhal Parganas, Alawe and other 
places in Bihar where Dhangar and 
Musahars are living*’ (1) 

SHRI S. G. BESRA (Dumka) : I beg to 
move : 

That in the motion, — 
after “Chhota Nagpur" insert — 

“and Santhal Parganas District" (2) 

SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohardaga) : 

I beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 
for “Ghhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these 
areas may not lag behind other developing 
areas” 

substitute — 

“Ghhota Nagpur Division and Santhal 
Parganas District of Bihar, with a view to 
removing the regional imbalances existing 
in these areas as compared to other areas 
in the respective States" (3) 

SHRI P. K. DEO : I beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

after “Bihar” insert “the State of 

Orissa" (4). 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I beg 
to move : 

That in the motion, — 
after “Bihar" insert — 

“five districts of North Bengal such 
as Cooch Bihar, Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling, 
West Dinajpur and Malda and also the 
area comprising Sundcrban and the 
Purulia — Bankura districts of West 

Bengal” (5) 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI 
(Gauhati) : I beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

after “Bihar" insert — 

“and industrially backward States 
like Assam and Meghalaya" (6) 

SHRI SHIVA GHANDIKA (Banka) : I 
beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

for “in Bihar" substitute — 

“and hilly areas of Banka Sub- 
division of Bhagalpur District, Santhal 
Pargana District and other places in Bihar 
where Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes are living” (7) 



375 


Schemes fir 


AUGUST 16, 

SHRI CHANDRIKA PRASAD (Ballia) I 
I beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

for “separate development Central 
Schemes be undertaken for the backward 
areas in the country, such as Eastern 
U. P., Bundelkhand in Madhya Pradesh, 
Chhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these 
areas may not lag behind other develop- 
ing areas* * 
substitute — 

“separate development Central Sche- 
mes be undertaken and medical college, 
agricultural university, veterinary college, 
sainik school and engineering college, be 
set up in each Eastern District of Uttar 
Pradesh with a view to removing regional 
imbalances prevailing in these areas as 
compared to other areas of the concerned 
States** (8) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY* BOSU (Dimond 
Harbour) s I beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

for “separate development Central 
Schemes be undertaken for the backward 
areas in the country, such as Eastern 
U. P-, Bundelkhand in Madhya Pradesh, 
Chhota Nagpur in Bihar so that these 
areas may not lag behind other develop- 
ing areas*’ 
substitute — 

“this country as a whole is back- 
ward and inter-State and intra-State 
disparity and imbalance arc on the increase 
in the fields of rural electrification, irriga- 
tion, rural housing, rural roads, coopera- 
tives, education, per capita income and 
consumption and in other spheres and 
therefore feels that sufficient allocation 
should be made in favour of respective 
State Governments specifically earmarked 
extra funds for backward-most areas and 
districts as indicated in the list of (180 
districts) published by Planning Comm- 
ission, including Eastern U. P., Bundel- 
khand, Chhota Nagpur, Pumea, Purulia, 
Bankura, North Bengal, Midnapur, Sunder- 
bans, Kalahandi, Ramanathapurum and 
other such areas” (10) 

SHRI B. V, NAIK (Kanara) : I 
beg to move : 

That in the motion, — 

for “The backward areas in the 
country, such as Eastern U. P., Bundel- 
khand in Madhya Pradesh, Chhota Nag- 
pur in Bihar so that these areas may not 


1972 development of backward 3 i6 

areas (Main.) 

lag behind other developing areas’* 

substitute — 

“all backward areas in the 
country” '(11) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, we 
quite understand that when the country was 
subjugated, before, 1947, regional imbalance 
was there ; but that was to serve the cause of 
the ruling nation, namely, British. But after 
that, in every Plan they profess the aim of 
bringing down the regional imbalance. I 
would like to quote the Fourth Five Year Plan 
published by Shri Dhar and Company. It 
says t 

“In terms of regional development 
there has been a natural tendency for new 
enterprises and investments to gravitate 
towards the already overcrowded metro- 
politan areas because they are better 
endowed with economic and social infra- 
structure. Not enough has been done to 
restrain this process. While a certain 
measure of dispersal has been achieved, a 
much larger effort is necessary to bring 
about greater dispersal of industrial 
activity.” 

I go further and quote another portion from 
page Id : 

“Balanced regional development and 
dispersal of economic ac tivity arc closely 
inter-related. Growth and diversification 
of economic activity in an under-develop- 
ed area can take place only if the infra- 
structure required for this is provided in 
an adequate measure and programmes for 
conservation and development of natural 
resources undertaken.” 

India as a whole is very very poor. After 25 
years of glorious Congress rule, we have the 
lowest per capita income in the world. If I am 
to believe a journalist who has taken a lot of 
trouble for collecting figures, the per capita 
income of India is 73 dollars while Pakistan 
had 121, Thailand 137, Ceylon 132, United 
Arab Republic 136 and Ghana 198. He says: 

“India is at the rockbottom of eco- 
nomic progress. Economic progress is 
mathematically measured by rhe per capita 
national income of a country.” 

He further states : 

“It is poor not only in respect of food 
and clothing, but in respect of housing, 
educational provision for maintenance of 
health as well. The plans have failed to 
improve India’s standard of living. The 



Ml Schemes for SRAVANA 25, 

failure is generally attributed to ‘popula- 
tion explosion' in this country. But a 
reference to the above Table will show 
that so far as the annual growth rate of 
population is concerned, other countries 
which have a similar or even higher 
growth rate, have larger per capital 

So, you have been selling cock and bull 
stories. 

Then I come to the inter-State picture. It 
is a Ramayana, tied in black, bound in black 
cloth because it deals with the dark age of the 
progress of this couutry. The per capita of the 
various States during the year 1969-70 are as 
follows : Punjab Rs. 945 ; Haryana Rs. 788 ; 
Maharashtra Rs. 731 ; Gujarat Rs. 635 ; 
Tamilnadu Rs. 616 ; Madhya Pradesh 
Rs. 560, West Bengal Rs. 562 ; Assam Rs. 545 ; 
Mysore Rs. 515 ; Jammu and Kashmir 
Rs. 513 ; Andhra Rs. 5 1 3 ; Uttar Pradesh 
Rs. 506 ; Kerala Rs. 505 ; Rajasthan Rs. 480; 
Bihar Rs. 402 and Orissa Rs. 375. This is 
what you have done in the course of 25 years 
of glorious rule. 

Let us go to the performance of the public 
institutions. I will take one public institution, 
LIG, to show what sort of one-eyed creature 
it is. I am quoting the Financial Express : 

“The regionwise distribution of 
LIC’s investment reveals wide disparities 
between States.” 

Is it so ? It is all in your hands and you are 
creating regional imbalance for purposes and 
reasons best known to you. 

It further adds : 

“Of the Corporation’s total invest- 
ments (which could be classified by regions) 
of Rs. 1109.48 crores at the end of March 
1971 the major share of nearly one-third 
went to the western region, followed by 
southern and eastern regions with about 
a fourth each of the LIC's total invest- 
ment in the regions/' 

I do not want to go into the details. I just 
wanted to show you one specimen how 
public sector financing institution have 
behaved in the matter of bringing down 
regional imbalance and disparity of which 
they talk so loudly. 

Now, 1 go to I.D.B.I., a very impor- 
tant institution. This is their latest report. 
This is about trends in assistance disbursed 


1894 (SAKA) development of backward 378 
areas (Motru) 

by the I.D.B.I. from 1964-65 to 1970-71 
(July-June). The amount of direct loans to 
other than backward districts, that is, advanced 
areas is Rs. 83.8 crores ; direct loans to back- 
ward districts — Rs. 5.9 crores. It is not even 
l/16th of what has gone to the advanced 
areas. You only render lip service to back- 
ward areas that you want to bring them up 
to the standard of advanced areas. 

Then, this is the State-wise distribution 
of financial assistance sanctioned and disbursed 
by the I.D.B.I. during 1970-71. Take, for 
instance, Assam. Total assistance sanctioned : 
Rs. 7.5 lakhs whereas assistance disbursed — nil. 
In the case of Bihar, the assistance sanctioned 
is Rs. 863.9 lakhs whereas they have actually 
disbursed Rs. 181.3 lakhs. In the case of 
Maharashtra, the sanctioned assistance amounts 
Lo Rs. 3151.6 lakhs whereas the amount dis- 
bursed is Rs. 2698.7 lakhs. You can see the 
percentage ratio. In the case of West Bengal, 
as against the sanctioned assistance of Rs. 
1459.5 lakhs, the actual amount disbursed is 
Rs. 597.2 lakhs. This is your wonderful 
performance. 

Then out of the total number of 752 
industrial licences issued during three years, 
1969 to 1971, only 91 were issued for back- 
ward areas. Yet, these people have the courage 
to say that they are shedding bucketful of 
tears every day to alleviate the sufferings of 
backward areas, 181 districts identified and 
listed by the Planning Commission. This is 
really nothing but an utter concoction of every- 
thing. 

Now, I go to rural electrification which 
will interest you, Sir — you don’t cease to repre- 
sent the people from Meghalaya. Take, for 
instance, Assam. The total number of villages 
is 25,702 and the total number of villages 
electrified is 707. That represents 2.75 per 
cent. Bihar — total number of villages is 67,665 
and the topil number of villages electrified is 
7981, that is, 11.79 per cent. In the case of 
Madhya Pradesh, thc'percentage of the villages 
electrified is 11.2 ; Nagaland — 9.21 ; Orissa 
topping the list — 2.71; Rajasthan — 11.09; 
Uttar Pradesh — 18.78 ; West Bengal — 7.89 and 
so on. Look at the disparity. Then, there are 
States where there is hundred per cent ; then 
there are States with 77 per cent and there 
are States with 83 per cent. The backward 
areas have remained exactly what they were. 

In the case of literacy, I am quoting from 
the Cabinet Secretariat draft which says : 

“Connected with the issue of primary 



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379 Schemes far 

[Shri Jyolirmoy Bosu] 

education is the question of adult literacy 
as well as the overall literacy in the coun- 
try, particularly in those areas where the 
level of liteiacy is considerably lower than 
the all-India average. The preliminary 
data released after the 1971 census shows 
that the “overall literacy percentage for 
the country as a whole has increased from 
24.03 per cent in 1%1 to only 29.34 per 
cent in 1971, showing a low rate of incre- 
ase in the literacy percentage of the popu- 
lation, i. e. about 0.5 per cent per 
annum . . ” 

The backward areas have remained where 
they weie. 

Then, it further says : 

“There are as many as 33 districts 
with a total population of 32.07 million 
where the literacy percentage is less than 
15 per cent,. M 

In 67 districts with a total population of 
105.93 millions, the level of literacy is only 
between 15 and 20 per cent. That is all they 
have been able to do. 

16 hrs. 

On small scale industries, the State-wise 
advance by scheduled commercial banks was 
as follows : Assam — the number of units finan- 
ced 001 ; Bihar 1492 ; Himachal Pradesh 89 ; 
Jammu and Kashmir 443 ; Maharashtra 
18,247 ; Meghalaya 1 ; Nagaland 24 ; Orissa 
697 ; and West Bengal 5,035. That is the 
picture. That is what they have done in the 
last 25 yeais. For vote-catching they will come 
and tell the people that they would get the 
Moon, but later on that will be proved to be 
nothing but Moon shine. I condemn this 
Government. I would expect them to accept 
my amendments given for the betterment of 
the country and for the improvement of the 
lot of the people living in backward areas. 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH 
(Nandyal) l The time at our disposal is very 
short. I do not want to go into the details of 
the entire matter. I entirely agree with the 
Mover of this Resolution with regard to some 
concrete steps that have to be taken to deve- 
lop these backward areas in the country as a 
whole. 

The Planning Commission has realised 
this grave necessity when they have made a 
detailed study and have indentified certain 
ate as as backward areas and areas which 


require preferential and special treatment by 
the Central Government as well as the State 
Governments. In identifying such areas, the 
Planning Commission has not taken sufficient 
precautions to see that the funds allotted to 
the various State Governments for such of 
those schemes that arc being undertaken by 
the grants given by the Central Government 
are spent usefully and properly in those 
areas for which they are intended. So, in this 
long time of 25 years, in spite of the fact 
that large amounts have been spent and Seve- 
ral irrigation projects and other development 
projects have been undertaken, the disparitv 
is growing and the regional imbalances are 
growing. There is something wrong some- 
where which has to be rectified and remedied 
in order to correct these regional imbalan- 
ces. 

Take, for instance, the case of Andhra 
Pradesh where there are two regions which 
are chronically famine-affected and where 
adverse seasonal conditions prevail once in 
alternate years — Royalaseema and Tclengana, 
the backward areas of Andhra Pradesh. These 
are the two striking examples that the atten- 
tion that was supposed to have been paid by 
the Central Government and the State Gov- 
ernment has failed to create any tangible 
results. Even to this day hundreds of villages 
go without the basic, elementary need of 
drinking water, and there are several places 
where the area is subjected to famine. Recen- 
tly there was one interesting incident. A 
daughter-in-law wanted to commit aucide by 
drowning herself in one of the wells ; she 
could not do so because all the wells were 
dried up. It had come in the newspapers 
also. This is the state of affairs after so many 
years of planning. These areas have been 
identified ; that is allright. But what is hap- 
pening ? In the backward district of Royala- 
sceraa, a board has been constituted by name 
Royalaseema Development Board for amelio- 
ration of the backward areas. But no special 
funds have been allotted. That is only a sort 
of recommendatory body without any man- 
datory or statutory functions. It has become 
the fifth wheel in our machinery, with the 
result that the schemes which are to be exe- 
cuted are being delayed eternally. The irri- 
gation schemes or the ameliorating schemes 
that have to be undertaken have been slowed 
down. I might mention a specific example of 
a hydro-electric scheme in that region started 
at a cost of Rs. 30 crores, by name, the 
Srisailam Hydro-electric scheme. It has to be 



381 Schemes for SRAVANA 25, 

completed by this time according to the sche- 
dule arranged by the Government but it has 
not yet been completed at now the cost may 
go upto Rs. 100 crores There are many 
such schemes. I do not want to enume- 
rate all those schemes. 

One thing is that there is something 
wrong with the infra-structural activities that 
are to be undertaken. For instance, when 
they want to set up industries in those areas, 
they have no infra-structural facilities to 
start industries. Though we proclaim more 
than once that we will induce industrialists 
to go and start industries in those backward 
areas, in practice nothing has so far been 
done. 

So, these are all factors which smack lack 
of sincerity with regard to the implementation 
of the schemes. As I said, even the elemen- 
tary facility of drinking water has not been 
provided, leave alone irrigation projects. So, 

I suggest that there should be a sort of sta- 
tutory Board at the Centre comprising all the 
identified backward areas in the country and 
they should direct the funds to be distributed 
to the various Governments to see their 
implementation in right earnest. Unless it is 
taken up at this level, any amout of speeches 
made in the Parliament or any amount of 
speeches made in the Assemblies or anywhere 
will not bear any fruit. So, these are the 
real facts of life and I might emphasize that 
the Planning Commission should seriously 
apply itself to the task of narrowing down 
these regional imbalances with regard to 
backward and famine-affected areas. For that 
I would suggest that thev should take it up 
in right earnest. There is no point in asking 
the State Governments which are already 
overburdened with the overdrafts and many 
of the State Governments are utterly bankrupt. 
They are not able to meet even their mini- 
mum requirements and their ways and means 
position is very hard. For instance, in Andhra 
Pradesh, the entire State is in the grip of a 
terrible famine. The Chief Minister was 
recently here and he was given Rs. crores. 
With this financial position, I do not expect 
any State Government will be able to take up 
these works in right earnest and do j ustice to 
these famine-affected areas. So, I would only 
urge upon the Planning Commission to see 
that a separate cell is established here, as a 
sort of co-ordinator and a centralised body 
to be constituted here, and the funds to be 
given should not be related to the State plans. 
They must be separate funds outside the 


1894 (SAKA) development of backward 382 
areas ( Motn .) 

State Plans so that they may be put into ope- 
ration and infra-structural difficulties are 
removed and industries arc induced to go and 
set up units in the backward areas. Then 
only there will be any remedy for this long- 
felt need of improving the condition of the 
backward areas. 

SHRI P. K. DEO (Kalahandi) : The 
President in his Address on the occasion of 
the 25th Anniversary of India’s Independence 
in the Central Hall on the midnight of the 
24th, stated “the prosperity and progress of 
every part of India is the concern of the 
whole nation.” It is very heartening and it 
has to be remembered that the strength of 
the chain lies on the weakest link. 

If you trace the history of the modern 
development of this country, you will find 
that it is a historical accident. The Fort St. 
George in Madras, the Fort St. William in 
Calcutta and the fort St. David in Bombay 
provided three spring-boards for imperia- 
list expansion and they were the centres of 
gravitation for development and with a cen- 
trifugal development the entire hinterland 
was neglected for the enrichment of the three 
cities. 

Orissa was the last of cede to the British 
supremacy in Eastern India and fought every 
inch for its independence and the British 
deliberately persecuted the State of Orissa. 
No development scheme was taken up in 
Orissa and Orissa was kept in pie-bits in Bihar, 
in Bengal, in Madhya Pradesh and in the 
Madras Presidency. In 1035 Orissa was for- 
med ; in 1947 the States merged and still 
there were many outlaying Oriya tracts left 
in the adjoining areas. It has been repeated 
parrot-like that they will remove the regional 
imbalance ; in all Plans, this is what is being 
repeated. But what is being done ? What 
is the result ? In 1966-67 Orissa's per capita 
income was Rs. 278.80 as against national per 
capita income of Rs. 481.50, a difference of 
Rs. 200. This difference of more than Rs. 
200 has come about in the sixties as against 
the discrepancy of Rs. 100 only in the early 
fifties. All these years, the Congress was in 
power in Oiissa. 

Sir, in 1967, the non-Congress Govern- 
ment came to power. It was an era of deve- 
lopment and a new impetus was given for 
industrial and for agricultural development. 
Many schemes and projects were submitted 
to the Central Government. The State Gov- 
ernment implemented many schemes. One 



383 Schemes for AUGUST 16 f 1972 development of backward 384 


[Shri P. K, Deo] 

of the unfortunate episodes has been that some 
of the schemes previously conceded by the 
Central Government have now been siphoned 
to certain other areas. There is the case of 
the Naval Boys* Training Centre at Barkul 
for which there was site selection and only 
formal opening remained to be done. This is 
near Chilka lake and would have brought 
many indirect benefits to the area. Mr. 
Chintamani Panigrahi comes from that area. 
This has been put in cold storage. Justice 
has been sacrificed at the alter of political 
expediency. Let Mr. Chintamani Panigrahi 
resign on this issue ; we will all see that he 
is re-elected on this issue. 

If, however, the Naval Boys Training 
Centre at Barkul would not be suitable for 
ecological reasons, I suggest, it should be 
located in some other area along the Orissa 
coast. I suggest, it should be located at 
Paiadeep. • 

Regarding the ship-building yard at Para- 
deep, the project report was prepared ; this is 
the deepest seaport in the country. It has 
harboured the largest ship that has ever 
anchored on the Indian port. Still it is 
denied the ship-building yard. It has gone to 
Haldia. I have no grudge against Haldia. 
Near Haldia, there is another establishment 
of the Defence Ministry, Garden Reach, 
which also builds ships. Nature has endowed 
Orissa with all the natural resources and even 
Dastur and company gave a report that cost 
of production of steel here would be the 
lowest. They said, if the next steel plant is 
located in Nayagaih the cost would be 
Rs. 354 per in got tonne as against Tisco’s 
Rs. 413, Durgapur's Rs. 450 and Vizag’s 
Rs. 414. Still no consideration was shown 
to it. 

The setting up of a Jute Mill has been 
approved by the Planning Commission and is 
stated to be under consideration by Shri L. N, 
Mishra. This Jute Mill is not coming up, 
even though we grow jute in 50,000 hectares 
or 1.50 lakh acres of our land. From these, 
you will be convinced that the Centre is 
guided by various pulls. The States have no 
autonomy even to put up an industrial plant 
or to raise the royalty for their mineral ores. 
Nature has endowed them with rich natural 
resources. When there was arise in the inter- 
national price of iron ore, the Central 
Government raised the export duty by Rs. 10 
per tonne, whereas the States were denied of 


areas ( Motn .) 

the right to increase their royalty or their 
quota of finance. 

I would like to submit in this regard that 
even in the matter of distribution of essential 
commodities like iron and steel, the Centre 
controls it. We talk of the development of 
backward areas. The infra-structure has to 
be developed. As for rural electrification, 
there should be a network, but the biggest 
impediment is being put by the Central 
Government by not releasing sufficient quota 
of iron and steel for the transmission line from 
Talcher to Thruvali and Balimela. I would 
like to point out that this is a direct challenge 
to the youths of Orissa, and to the uneducated 
unemployed of Orissa, and I hope that they 
will rise to the occasion and they will give a 
fitting reply to the Government. 

Regarding railway lines, Orissa has got 
only 1 1 k.m. per 100 sq. k.m. whereas West 
Bengal has got 36 k.m. per 100 sq. k.m. and 
Punjab has got 44 k.m. per 100 per sq. k.m. 
The Jakhpura-Banspani-Koira valley line and 
the Amaguda-Kesinga railway line have been 
kept in cold storage in spite of the feasibility 
report. If Government want that Paradip 
port which is basically an iron-ore- exporting 
port should not be connected with her hinter- 
land and the entire iron ore resources of 
Orissa should be siphoned off through the 
Haldia port, then there is some high politics 
behind it and some dirty politics behind it. 

Lastly, there is a feeling that Orissa is 
being given parochial treatment by the 
Centre, even though there is a Chief Minister 
who has been planted there, who has got no 
mandate from the people of Orissa, with an 
inflated majority with defectors who have been 
promised loaves and fishes and who have been 
rewarded with Minister ship. What more can 
we expect ? We feel that it is Shri Siddhartha 
Shankar Ray and Shri Priyaranjan Das 
Munsi who are ruling over Orissa and not 
Shrimati Nandini Satpathy. She will not be 
able to fulfil the hopes and aspirations of the 
people. 

I would conclude with the following sug- 
gestions. First of all, if regional imbalance 
has to be removed, then planning should be 
decentralised. Instead of from the top from 
the Yojana Bhavan, it should start from the 
panchayat to the district and State level and 
then it should come to the Centre. Secondly, 
there should be the creation of the basic 
infra-structure like irrigation, power, roads, 



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SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) 


railways, educational facilities etc., for skilled 
workers, hospitals and workshops, and the 
incentives suggested by the Pande and Wanchoo 
Working groups of the Planning Commission 
have to be fully implemented in letter and 
spirit. Unless these things arc done and early 
steps are taken in this behalf, I fear that 
India’s unity is in danger. Bangla Dcsh is an 
eye-opener. 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI 
(Gauhati) ; Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I come 
from a land of paradox. It is a paradox in 
the sense that I come fiom that State and 
that area which contributes the largest amount 
of foreign exchange for this country ; I come 
from that area which provides this country 
with oil ; I come from that area which is the 
scat of different ethnic groups, caste and people 
of different tribes, and obviously an area of 
this nature should be rich, but the paradox of 
it is that it is one of the most backward 
regions of the State. 

We speak with great regret that even 
though 25 years have elapsed since Indepen- 
dence, we have not seen much of an im- 
provement in that region A very unfortunate 
thing is that the basic factors which require 
immediate attention from the Central Govern- 
ment in many respects have not been attended 
to. Many Members have already talked about 
the infrastructure. It is extremely unfortunate 
that in the entire eastern region, even the 
minimum requirement of infrastructure for 
the growth of the economy is not there. 

For example, the first requirement is the 
requirement of communication. We have said 
that if there should be industrial or agricultural 
development in that region worth the name, 
then there should be proper communication, 
and a very minimum request has been made 
to the Central Government for the extension 
of the broad gauge railway line to Assam. 
Even though there has been repeated demand 
from the people of Assam for this minimum 
requirement, yet this has not been attended to. 

We have recently seen that the prospect 
of proper agricultural production in the State 
has been completely upset by the recurrence 
of floods not once or twice but thrice in a 
year. Therefore, we cannot but ask the 
Central Government to have some schemes 
whereby the situation created by the Brahm- 
putra bursting its banks can be handled and 
solved. But we have found that due to inter- 
nAinisterial lack of co-ordination, no decision 
has so far been taken in that respect. Though 


development of backward 386 
areas (Motn.) 
the Brahmaputra Flood Control Commission 
has been constituted, it is remaining idle for 
want of funds. 

Thirdly, even in the State from which you 
Mr. Deputy Speaker, come, Meghalaya, 
nothing has been done in this sphere Meghalaya 
is rich in mineral resources. There is tre- 
mendous scope for development of agro-indus- 
tries. There is considerable scope for the 
development of fruit preservation industries. 
There exists tremendous scope for development 
in other hill regions too. But nothing has been 
done so far in this direction. We have not 
seen any agricultural or industrial develop- 
ment of which we can be proud. 

Therefore, m the limited time at my dis- 
posal, I would ask the new Planning Minister 
who is undoubtedly a dynamic personality. , 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : And 
his old assistant. # 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS- 
WAMI : By his dynamism, he will undoubte- 
dly carry his assistant with him. We would 
like him to come to our assistance about the 
interest of our State. We would request him 
to create an infra-structure in our region so 
that there may be proper industrial and agri- 
cultural development. 

Here I make a suggestion. As industrialists 
are very much reluctant to go to this region, 
whenever industrial licences are given to 
monopoly houses, it should be with the 
condition that the industrial undertakings 
must be located in the backward regions. I 
think a list of priorities in regard to backward 
regions must be drawn up in clear terms. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : The law does 
not allow it. 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS- 
WAMI : If so, we have sufficient powers to 
amend the law. 

My second submission is that if in- 
dustrialists represent and Government fed 
that the indigenous people are at a great 
disadvantage in locating their industries in 
those regions, they could even consider giving 
a tax holiday to those industrial concerns. 
This undoubtedly will please Shri Mody and 
meet with his approval. In making this 
suggestion, I am not wanting to make the 
rich richer. I am making it order that the 
poor people in the backward regions may get 



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AUGUST 16, 1972 


[Shri Dinesh Chandra Goawami] 
rich and also black money might come to 
surface in the form of white money and be of 
use in the industrial development of the 
country. Undoubtedly, if by declaring a tax 
holiday, we can achieve the purpose of bridging 
the gap of regional imbalances, that will be 
of great benefit to the country. I hope the 
Minister of Industrial Development will 
consider this with other Ministers. 

In the short time at my disposal, it is not 
possible to catalogue the various deficiencies 
of our State ; also this debate is not intended 
for that purpose. The purpose of this debate 
is to focus the Government’s attention in 
general terms on the urgent needs of backward 
regions in regard to development. I am sure 
that our new Minister and his Ministry will 
undoubtedly make an integrated approach 
particularly for the development of these 
regions. 

After all, we have got 4 a massive mandate 
from the people. When we go back to our 
people, the question asked of us is : what are 
you doing after we have given you a big 
mandate ? Obviously, in the years to come 
if we cannot do anything in this direction, it 
will bring discredit to the entire nation. 
Therefore, to fulfil the mandate the people 
have given us, I request that immediate and 
urgent attention be bestowed on the develop- 
ment of not only Assam, Meghalaya and 
Arunachal Pradesh but the entire eastern 
region which is so rich in cultural traditions 
and industrial and agricultual potentialities. 

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SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj): 
Sir, my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu revealed 
to us certain figures which should be painful 
reminders to us that we are still far from a 
satisfactory situation which can really please 
us. But it is no use complaining against what 
has not been done so far, because there are 
certain very basic reasons which should be 
apparent to my fiiends in the opposition and 
to us also and those basic reasons arc not 
going to be solved in a day or two or in a 
year or two or even in five years. Let us be 
quite clear about that. Otherwise, day in 
and day out, the opposition throws wordy 
stones at us and it does not affect us. Let us 
try to find out why an area becomes back- 
ward or forward in a country. 

16.36 hrs. 

[ Shri K. N. Tiwary in the Chair ] 

After all, why should Bombay be so pro- 
gressive and forward and Orissa is backward 
economically, socially and from other points 
of view ? There arc certain inherent situations 
which obtain and which need to be considered. 
I would like to draw attention to those condi* 



393 Schmes for SRAVANA 23 , 1894 {SAKA) development of backward 394 

areas (Motn.) 


tions but there is no time for it. I will at 
present only give some suggestions for the 
consideration of the Planning Ministers who 
are sitting here. 

One thing appears to be quite clear. 
Millions of people who are unemployed to- 
day cannot get employment by merely organi- 
sing small-scale or cottage industries in the 
backward areas. The fact of the matter is 
that you cannot develop small-scale or cot- 
tage industries in proverbially backward areas 
where the industrial culture or way of life 
has not developed. It will take a long time 
for Balia or Basti to see a miniplant prosper 
as it would prosper in a place like Kanpur or 
Bombay. I am not against such plants but 
what I am emphasising now is a known alter- 
native. We in the Congress Party have recent- 
ly pledged ourselves to implement a very big 
programme of re-distribution of land in rural 
areas. That has the implication of economic 
development in such a way that you will not 
find a quicker method of economic develop- 
ment. Mdlions can find employment by the 
development of land in our rural areas, but 
millions cannot find employment through 
small-scale industries in a short space of time. 
This is a fundamental question which must 
receive the attention of government. What- 
ever pledges we have made, whatever instruc- 
tions have been received by the Chief Minis- 
ters with regard to re-distribution of land, 
agricultural development, etc., they must 
receive precedence and be implemented in the 
most honest way. Come what may, the land 
must be recovered from those who do not 
deserve to hold it. If they still retain the 
land and only distribute it to their servants 
and ben. i mis, nothing can be done about the 
development of backward areas. What I want 
to emphasize is that the first necessity, the 
first programme which confronts us today is 
the development of that rural land which is 
still in the possession of the people who can- 
not develop it. It is the state which has to 
come forward to develop those areas foi those 
people, and it has to be done urgently. 

Secondly, planning has to start from 
below. Although this has been talked about 
in a big way for a number of years, this has 
not been done. I make a concrete suggestion. 
Let us choose about ten districts in the whole 
country. Let the District Magistrates of 
those districts convene a conference of impor- 
tant non-official workers of that district. I 
do not think they will number more than 
1,000 to 1,500. Let there be a convention of 


those people for three or four days under the 
chairmanship of the District Magistrate. Let 
those people make suggestions with regard to 
small schemes which they consider necessary 
in their own areas like small roads, hospitals, 
tubewells, schools etc. Some representatives 
of the State Government and the planning 
division of the Central Government should 
attend this convention and record the sugges- 
tions. In other words, planning should ema- 
nate from these people. Then you can create 
in them a feeling of association, that they 
have made a suggestion which has been consi- 
dered and accepted. Then it will become a 
peoples’ plan. I do not say that you have to 
accept all their suggestions but most of them 
you will find you will have to accept. 

So, the programme of agricultural develop- 
ment and redistribution of land require most 
serious consideration by the Central Govern- 
ment. You mujt create some machinery by 
which you see that the programme is imple- 
mented. That will give us millions and 
billions of rupees every year which will go 
ultimately to create a situation where urban 
poverty can also be taken care of. If you 
only talk of giving small-scale industries in 
rural areas and creating mini-steel plants 
where it cannot be done, then you are only 
wasting time. So, the first priority is the 
implementation of the land programme and 
the second is to start planning from district 
levels by associating the people who live 
there. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Mr. 
Chairman, the Resolution emphasizes that 
the Central Government should come forward 
with ambitious plans so that the backward 
regions might come up to the level of the 
other regions within a shorter period. Even 
according to the Planning Minister’s own 
admission, no development has been made to 
those areas during the last few years. If you 
take the statistics of the two decades you will 
find that the number of people w r ho arc 
living in object poverty and below the stan- 
dard is remaining the same. 

I quote from the Approach to the Fifth 
Five Year Plan, para 3 : 

“Economic development in the last 
two decades has resulted in an all round 
increase in per capita income and the pro- 
portion of the poor defined as those living 
below a basic living standard of consump- 
tion has slightly come down. Yet, the 
absolute number of people below the 



395 


Schemes for 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


[Shri B. K. Daschowdhury] 

poverty line today it just as large at it 
was two decades ago.*’ 

Further, it says that if this process is to be 
continued, to remove these regional imbalan- 
ces or to make up the shortages of backward 
areas upto si certain standard throughout the 
country, it may take 30 to 50 years or even 
more. It is their own admission. 

I quote another one line more : 

“Available projections suggest that 
if one were to rely on the growth alone 
without directly tackling the problem of 
unemployment and income distribution, 
it may take another 30 to 50 years for the 
poorer sections of the people to reach the 
minimum consumption level.” 

So, the only question, to finish within a very 
short span of time that is available to the 
Members today, is whether the Government 
will agree to the suggestions put forward by 
the hon. Members that there should be a 
separate development authority to give a 
momentum so that the huge momentum of 
generation of development schemes may come 
up in the course of a few years upto the 
normal standard throughout the country. 
This is the only course. 

In the Fifth Five Year Plan also, certain 
measures have been taken. Unfortunately, 
even those measures we find are not in a 
position to cope with the gigantic problem of 
the development. As a matter of fact, even 
with so many measures taken for the popu- 
lation control, the birth control, the popu- 
lation is increasing at such a rapid rate and 
the number of persons living in adject poverty 
is also increasing. There is no way out. It 
is only if the Government of India comes 
forward to tackle the situation on a war- 
footing, not only by suggesting certain mea- 
sures, as for example, small farmers, develop- 
ment programme, that of marginal farmers, 
agricultural labour and some other sectors. 
It is not enough. I quite admit that these 
are certain incentives to makeup the deficiency 
to make up the gap. 

As far as West Bengal’s per capita income 
is concerned, as stated by my hon. friend — 
without coming to the real point of discussion 
today, he has stated many figures — the per 
capita income in 1969-70, is 511. But I pose 
another question, to give the district- wise 
per capita income. The statement was laid on 
the 19th April, 1972. I quote them. Though 


development of backward 396 
areas (Motn.) 

in general it is said, considering there are 
certain districts where the per capita income is 
far far less, it is stated, Purulia— 197, Cooch- 
Behar — 229, Bankura — 229, Midnapore — 231, 
Malda — 245 and all these variations, varying 
from 197 to 389 in Howrah. The per capita 
income of Calcutta is not stated here. But it 
must be more. The average per capita of 
income for West Bangal being 511, it must 
be round about 1000 or a little more. 

In view of all this thing, it is quite clear 
that backward areas are remaining as back- 
ward, backward regions are remaining as 
backward, even with certain incentives here 
and there for the development of backward 
area. It is not meeting with the real situation 
a gigantic problem, that has to be taken up 
and shouldered by this Government. Back- 
ward areas will remain backward whatever 
might be the incentives announced from time 
to time, unless the basic infra-structure, as said 
by several other hon. Members also of 
development is there. 

Now, it has been stated by the Govern- 
ment of India that to increase this basic 
infra-structure of development, such as, 
communications, irrigation, electricity, these 
things are to be taken up by the State Govern- 
ment. Even I quite appreciate that these are 
the State Government's responsibility. But 
considering the huge problem, the question 
is whether it would be very difficult on the 
part of the Government of India to take up 
all those schemes so that the basic infra- 
structure of development, particularly in these 
backward regions throughout the country 
might be taken up under a special develop- 
ment authority by the Government of India. 

I have already moved an amendment tc> 
insert after ‘Bihar’ the five districts of North 
Bengal such as Gooch-Behar, Jalpaiguri. 
Darjeeling, West Dinajpur and Malda. 
These five districts are giving huge profits to 
the national exchequer by way of their forest 
products. (Interruption) These five districts 
are having a population of nearly 50 lakhs, 
i.e., one-sixth or one-seventh of the total 
population of the State of West Bengal — 
even minus Calcutta ; — these five districts 
are giving one-third of the total agricultural 
wealth generated in the State. For that 
reason, Sir, no further development has been 
taken up there — no industry, no road commu- 
nication, no irrigation projects, no electricity 
project. It was accepted by the Prime 
Minister and the other hon. Ministers here 



391 Schemes fir SRAVANA 25, 

by Mr. Mohan Dharia also ; he replied to the 
House ‘Yes ; there shall be a North Bengal 
Development Board'. (Interruption) Unfortu- 
nately the North Bengal development, along 
with the development plans of the Develop- 
ment Authority for the progress and develop* 
ment of Sunderban, Bankura and Purulia 
districts, has not yet been taken up. Take, 
for example, irrigation and electricity. I 
know, West Bengal Government has taken up 
a gigantic programme for rural electrification. 
The total quantum of electricity that is 
available today is about 1,000 megawatts. 
But if the West Bengal Government is to 
develop that to the extent. Of having electri- 
city throughout all the villages in the State 
of West Bengal, according to the present, 
rate, it will require about 2,300 megawatts. 
To have this additional 1300 megawatts of 
power, will it be possible for the West Bengal 
Government alone to construct huge projects ? 
So, considering all these things, I would only 
impress "upon the hon. Minister and the 
Government of India through you that we 
should have a certain Centrally-sponsored 
Development Authority throughout the country 
to develop the backward regions, to create 
basic infra-structure so that the infra — 
streture will lead to further development and 
the proverty will be minimised in a certain 
limited period. 

SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapur) : This 
is a very important subject. Many of us want 
to speak, but the time at our disposal is very 
short. 1, therefore, suggest that the time for 
this debate may please be extended. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 
The time may be extended by two hours. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS The time 
may be extended. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are many 
members from all sections of the House who 
want to speak on this. So, we will not be 
able to finish it before 5.30 p. m. There are 
bo many names from this side of the House 
as well as from the other side of the House. 
The debate will go on upto 5.30 p. m. At 
5.30 p. m. the half-an-hour discussion will be 
taken up. The debate on this will be carried 
forward tomorrow. Those who will not get 
the time today will be given time tomorrow. 

I am not in favour of extending the time of 
the House today. 

AN HON. MEMBER . What is the time 
allotted for this tomorrow ? 


1894 (SAKA) development of backward 398 
areas ( Motn .) 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) s 
At least three to four hours will be needed to 
accommodate the members from all sections 
of the House. This is a crucial problem. You 
may please communicate this to Speaker and 
get more time allotted for this becaus^we 
would certainly like our Planning Minis^^o 
have the benefit of the views expressed from 
different sections of the House. It is a matter 
in regard to which we all feel very strongly in 
which we are all interested. So, the debate 
may continue till 5.30 and then some more 
time may be allotted some other day. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Why some 
other day ? Why not tomorrow ? 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : How is it possi- 
ble ? The Speaker is against extending the 
time after 6. He has expressed it on the floor 
of the House. 

• 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Upto 5.30 
I agree. You take a motion and let the 
House extend the time. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Tomorrow' we 
are having the (Constitution (Amendment) 
Bill. It is a very non- controversial Bill. We 
have kept it for the whole day. In case it is 
passed early and if the House so pleases, 
whatever time that may remain after discu- 
ssion and passing of the Constitution (Amend- 
ment) Bill may be utilised for this discussion. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The Business Advi- 
sory Committee is meeting morrow. This will 
be put up before the Committee and they will 
decide the time and other things. The hon 
Minister is on the Committee. Because the 
Constitution (Amendment) BiH is there before 
the House, it will be taken up first and the 
decision of the Committee will be communica- 
ted to the House. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : After 
the Constitution (Amendment) Bill, if there is 
time, we may utilise it for this. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: That I said. The 
item will be put down but the Committee will 
decide about the time and when it will be 
brought before the House for discussion. The 
Minister will communicate it to you. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I hope the 
hon. Members will certainly co-opcrate with 
us in having the Constitution (Amendment) 
Bill passed as early as possible. 



$99 


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AUGUST 16, 1972 


400 


development of backward 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : Sir, I agree that this 
discussion be given more time. But, unfortu- 
nately, as there are some prior engagements 
fixed for Mr. Dhar, that will not be conve- 
nient to him though it may be convenient 
to me. So, in that context, I suggest that this 
may be kept in view and if not tomorrow, it 
may be day after tomorrow. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : We want both 
of you to be present. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The Minister of 
Parliamentary Affairs is here and he has 
noted it down. He will certainly take note of 
your convenience. 

Shri D. N. Tiwary 

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^qrr ft? ?ft4 fqft^: qqrq^ ^rF«rq Tfr 


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qft % ftnt qqT qra^t ap a:|| ? 

qfter qqTfa apq ^ff? % arm ir 
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q^t ftrqT, arta qqqft fq^rfwf q?T f^qt- 
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403 Schemes for AUGUST 16, 1972 development of backward 404 

areas ( Motn .) 


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*rf SiRq ?3T7 cfa qq q^f aft 5Tt 
qq% qf^r fa*qfq%q ff qa;*ur ^ 
TfTg: 

“Balanced development of 
different parts of the country, exte- 
nsion of the benefit parts of economic 
progress to the less — developed 
regions and wide — spread diffusion 
of industry are among major aims 
of planned development. 

arsNr 30, 1956 qft ?q qrnrtft ?t 
kffc^qq <TKT fw «TT I qq ^ft^qq 

Jf q^ifc arn; ^fkqr % qf ^ «rr fir : 

“That it is aim of planning to 
help the areas lagging behind indus- 
trially, and continuous efforts should 
be made to make vital facilities avai- 
lable if the location of industries is 
otherwise suitable' 1 . 

%qqq t^qqihr sflffqq fqqif arfafrrK 

fW TT7!ft I, 27 fqqWR, 1969 sp> 


antft qtfkr if cHT frqt fo - 

“(l) decided to encourage setting 
up industrial undertakings in the back- 
ward areas. 

“(2) special aid for backward 
areas". 

qt srrar q?|ft qq ^ «ff 1 qq% qR fra^r 
qq 1971 Jf fq^ft Jf tr^ JffqqR |3TT 
«tt irPror: an^ tfart^r arm 

sr%5T JrfiTTTT sfi ^RTTf?r 

f?TTTSf ^ %• TT5^5 f-FTT «TT I «ff ^T^TTk 
PfTTsf ^7: 5k?r % 55T Tpaff | 1 
«rr fi> sr^r 
Tf ftr : 

.meagre investment by the centre 
and financial institutions is one of the 
factors holding up the State’s advance". 

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^R f4RT sres Jfff I I *nf 7T5T Jf ^>TT 
^5TT 3TRT | I T^ir 5Tf tfft ??TT% ^ ^ 
srtT: vfr »r^ 1 1 Jf «ff fwrr- 

=^R «TfcT % >ff «rr : 

“..called for an achievement-orie- 
nted approach to the economic develop- 
ment of UP". 

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^ Tf? qr 57T Jf 1 7k TRTf % TPR7ST 

^TRT 3TT ^•RTT I ^ qRT iRT | f¥ 

sr^r qryif Jf frepn |3rr 1 1 Jrfoq 

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an% t aftc qsq sk^r % 3TR fsrJr 3rr^ 
t, sksr % qRT, smff, srRfk ark 
15^157: jf TR% 3qRT fq^T 

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TTTgqr 1 

Jf ak Jr qkr fq% Jf 
tfff q?r>r q?qr 1 1 qsfk q^qr q 

% qq^°r qt?r qrffq qq qfr | 
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fqif qrq qtf ^ {£ I 3pT^ q^f T>| 

ar®3!T qr qqfq q^qr qqrqt arrqT qr 



405 Schemes for SRAVANA 25, 

qqift qft qftlftrer qft aqqt eft arfttq q?i 
fercrr affq q qrerc afa anar qgt % qtqft 
spt qWqTqfts qftf fftq *gT I ftftt ftqfft 
q fttert i qqqft qpmqftq aft?: 

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tt ft£tf*qq qger | i ?qftr qiq qrq 
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qg ^tt^TT^T qgt n>TPTT art qqreTC ft, 
ftfq^r ?q er*q> qrqq % qftf sqr^r qff 
f%?TT i arcqTqqq % ercqqf qft qrftt ft 1 
?q qq?;°T ft ^tsrr aft farm %?ff ft qcqrer 
ft ararqrcft q?qq 3 ; ft qrs arrar ft 1 %qq 
qrr m^q arreft ft 1 arq* q*ercar ft qftf 
arm qrft eft Praft fqft aprg qm ft 
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1 1 q ar^jrc q?: qftf jrc ft aft?: q ftt %q 
qqt q?: arcar erqr qftf 33- qqT ft 1 %q 
qgq ^f#t qqt 1 1 src q?; 3?r eft qrqt 
ftt qqm arc qqrerc «rc 1 ftfqrq q^fttrc 
?tct ft ftr ?q er?q> qftf sqTq qftf fan 
qqr I I aTKT eft?: ft fq?5?T | 3 TT ft 
aft?: ?rcq ftf ?rcq 3 ?ftrc?sf 5 ft 1 qgt qft 
arqerc qft anqTqrcq % ercqq tft farcft 
qrfgq 1 

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f ?nr arq?: q?r ft 1 ?w ft fq> q^f % aftq 
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fftrcerc % \ q^t fttft % qTftt ^?r mr^rc 
| \ faerft qftt ft sr? erro aftf qft, 


1894 (SAKA) development of backward 406 
areas (Motn.) 

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qft^ wrcq q^lf fftqi ft 1 qq eR's ftt 
arcq^T «rcq arm mfftft i 

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ft ftqNrrc qirftq qftf ft 1 ftfftqr ?ft 
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fqqT qqr ft 1 ^q?: qft fqrerc qft 

fqsrqrq: fr:^jer+ arm q?rc ft qVr ?i^ 
fq:g?qr qt ftr anqlf qrffti? 1 q^ej 
?qq ft qrtr eft?: ft fftsrq q^qiq ^ qq 
'fttq q?T fteft ft 1, fqfsTerf qq ar^qier q«ft 
% qanq q:q gan ft i qfqfareff qq ar^qrer 
q? r ft 1 arcqqft qg anqqr?: anqqq fttm 
fqr qeq qftrc ft fthft farm aft?: qeq qftq 
% qfqqq fqqjq ft ^qqr ft q^qiqt arc?: ft 

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srcfarc qqr eft?ff ft ftq qqr qftf ft?qt ft 1 
qgf ftrcft qft qrrc ft qrq srrq mer qft i 
qqr fterc arrqft qrq fqqT fttqT eft arcqT- 
qqq % mqq qgt qqqaq ftt arcft 1 

marc3?: ft argr qq ^qfttqrq afr qq 
aqq g 3 rc m 3ft?: farcrqft apr?qft ftt ^r 
qqrft qT ?ft ft qgt q* q^TCT qqt VT 
apr?; 3^ qqT fqqT q?rc ftterc eft qg qfeqT 
qgq faftftq qrr arm 1 3d rcqqT ft fqr 
?q rcTqrT?: qft ftqfq arm®T ftt qf ft 
aft* q?:qq* 3ft qrftf qq faqq* gf ft 1 
fqfttqrcr aft ft qrgr ftt *rc : 

qg qfttq sfq qTq qq qTq?: qr^r rcr?: 

qTfg fqqTfq qiqftt qrgg qftq qqm?: 1 

5 ^ qqerr ft fqr arq qftf qq^T* qftt ftt 
qqqn ft 1 q*q:R anre q>m qr^ft ft arq- 
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ft 1 ? q q?aq* gt fiprlft arqpsq ftt qf 

f « 



407 Schemes for AUGUST 

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI 
(Bhubaneswar) : I want to pinpoint certain 
things with regard to the backward areas’ 
development* However I must at the outset 
refer to what my friend from the Swatantra 
party said about me in reference to the Naval 
Training Institute. I am happy to know that 
he has a very dear heart for me. I know why 
he is so despaired. This Parliament has taken 
out the privileges of the ex-rulers and also 
their privy purse. The people of Orissa have re- 
luctantly divested these ex-rulers of their power 
also. I understand why Shri P. K. Deo feels 
so much despaired after being divested of the 
three Ps because of the growing people's power 
in this country. But I do not despair. I try 
to get things done 

Shri Dharia and Shri Dhar are in charge 
of planning. Poverty is a gigantic problem in 
the country. Some latest studies have been 
made with regard to the magnitude of this 
problem in this country by Mr. Dandekar. 
In those studies it has coinc out that at the 
beginning of the Fourth Plan out of 532.7 
million people, 223.5 million, that is 41.9 per 
cent, live below the poverty line in this coun- 
try. The per capita income is Rs. 324 for the 
rural population and Rs. 486 foi the urban 
population. And 41.9 per cent live below 
this level. But neither the gross national 
product nor the average per capita income is 
any real index of general prosperity because 
in many villages I know that there are persons 
who are getting not even 50 paise a day. 
People have to take to the roots of the trees. 
So some of these figures are misleading. 

There is a cell in the Planning Commission 
which had made a study of the resources in 
the southeastern region which comprises 26 
districts of M. P., Orissa, Bihar, West Bengal 
and U. P. It is a revealing survey indeed. 
It says that the region comprises 1,35,000 sq. 
miles and 31.9 million people of whom 45 per 
cent belong to Scheduled Castes and Tribes. 
It produces 75 per cent of the country’s 
mineral output in value and is endowed with 
90 per rent of the coal reserves, 80 per cent 
of iron and 89 per cent of the manganese 
deposits and 60 per cent of the atomic ele- 
ments of the nation. Its hydel power poten- 
tial is estimated to yield 4217 mw, besides 
unlimited scope for development of thermal 
power. 

Mr. Chairman you are coming from the 
neighbouring region. You must be aware of 
published statistics. Statistics will say that 
Bihar and Orissa have got a huge public sector 


16, 1972 development of backward 408 

areas (Motn.) 

investment. There are two steel mills and 
really they are heavy capital consuming indus- 
tries. The ancillary industries which need to 
develop around these heavy mills which will 
provide employment to millions, and by which 
industries will spread to every home, these 
had not been taken care of. The Planning 
Commission must look into this aspect ; it is a 
must. 

In Orissa, we had electrified 2615 villages 
out of 46,000 villages. There are States which 
have got more than 5000 km of railway line 
while Orissa has got only 2115 kms of railway 
line. Other States have got 53, 60, 89 etc. 
miles of road for every hundred square miles. 
But Orissa has got only 37 miles of road per 
hundred square miles. In the field of irriga- 
tion, Bihar and Orissa are almost equal. In 
Bihar, area irrigated is about 16 per cent 
and in Orissa it is a little about 15 percent. 
In the distribution of backward population, 
Orissa has the highest percentage 40 per cent. 
Other States have got 10, 15 or 20. This is 
the magnitude of the problem of backward 
regions in different spheres. 

The Planning Commission lias identified 
223 districts as backward districts. Why not 
form a Backward Development Authority ? 
Mr. Dandekar has suggested for planning for 
an annual investment of Rs. 1000 crores for 
some years for developing backward regions. 
I suggest that there should be a Backward 
Areas Development Authority with an initial 
capital of Rs. 8090 crores, with mandatory 
power from Parliament. It should not be like 
the boards set up for Rayalaseeina in Telen- 
gana. These kinds of boards devoid of manda- 
tory authority never help. 

The Planning Commission has allotted 10 
per cent of the entire plan for the backward 
States. But if you look into the budget of the 
State Governments, what do you find ? Capital 
attracts capital. Infrastructure attracts indus- 
tries. These are the economic laws. The 
only regions which advance are the region* 
around metropolitan cities like Calcatta, Delhi, 
Bombay and Madras 46 per cent of the indus- 
tries in West Bengal are situated within 40 
miles of Calcutta. Similarly Bombay. This 
problem of regional imbalance should be 
solved in the remaining two years of the fourth 
plan and in the fifth plan. I insist that during 
these years, regional imbalances must be 
corrected. We invite Mr, Dharia and Mr. 
Dhar to come and visit the backward regions 
and identify them. Let them have district 
planning cells. Every district must have a 



409 


kdations with 


SRAVANA 25, 1894 (SAKA) China {ti.AM. Disc.) 410 


planning unit. Whatever money you are 
going to allot in the remaining two years of 
the fourth plan and in the fifth plan for the 
backward regions, you should separately allot 
so much money for each backward district 
and that district development authority will 
be authorised to utilise that money. 

Of course, the Planning Commission have 
taken certain steps for removal of regional 
imbalances. They have appointed committees 
and the reports of the committees are there. 
You should de-license the backward regions in 
respect of industries so that they can be star- 
ted in the backward areas. Then, it is said 
there is black money to the extent of Rs. 
3000 or 4000 crores. Give them five years' 
time to go to the backward areas and invest 
their black money there for turning it into 
white money and in the process develop the 
223 backward districts. My suggestion may 
not appear radical to some, but I think this 
can be considered. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Before taking up the 
Half-an-Hour discussion I want to make one 
point very dear. The fixation of more time 
for this motion will go to the Business Advisory 
Committee. So far as the day for further 
discussion of this motion is concerned, that 
will be decided by the Government. 

17.30 hrs. 

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION 
Normalisation of Relations with China 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Mr. 
Chairman, just a few days before, in reply to 
one of my questions, Shri Surendra Pal Singh 
replied that our Ambassador in Waisaw had 
a courtesy meeting with his Chinese counter 
part there. I would have been happy if it had 
been described as “a couiteous meeting of 
exchange of good will between Indian and 
Chinese Ambassadors”. 

It is good news that our charge d ' affairs in 
Peking, Shri Brijesh Mishra, had a good chat 
with the Chinese officials in Peking on the 
15th August celebrations in our mission there. 
It came over the radio and I say it is a good 
sign. Though it will be disappointing to us 
that China has blocked the entry of Bangla- 
desh into UNO, I think wc need not be too 
much disappointed because wc have given the 
opportunity to Shri Bhuttoo to play the 
diplomatic game on us with the help of 
China. For instance, if we had agreed to 
enter into a peace treaty with Pakistan, after 


the recognition of Bangladesh perhaps Shri 
Bhutto would not have got an opportunity to 
play China on Bangladesh. 

I want to caution the Government that 
some kind of a new pattern of new politics is 
developing. At least, Shri Bhutto is trying to 
develop a new politics of Pindi-Peking-Tchran 
axis. And I believe Government know the 
Shah of Iran has shown a certain gesture to 
Peking. I think our Foreign Ministry has 
taken note of that. 

Recently, a very radical political step has 
been taken by the Big Powers. The border line 
of the international politics of alignment and 
non-alignment is almost missing. I think a 
completely new pattern is developing in in- 
ternational depiomatic relations after the 
meeting of Mr. Nixon with Mr. Mao Tse 
Tung and Mr. Biezhnev. 

The Hon. Minister should also take note of 
the fact that there is radical change in the 
inside politics of China. After the Cultural 
Revolution of China wc noticed a certain 
tendency. That tendency is gradually chang- 
ing to a new pattern of diplomacy. China is 
trying to normalise its relations with other 
powers from whom it tried to withdraw. 
Another significant factor is that some kind 
of metamorphosis is going on inside China. 
The tussle between the civil wing and the 
military wing of the Communist Party is 
coming to an end. With the liquidation of 
Lia Piao, the civil wing is more or less in 
control to decide the fate of China. That is 
a very significant event in regard to Chinese 
politics and Chinese point of view on inter- 
national relations We already notice certain 
changes, at least in their attitude towards 
Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and her ap- 
proach to Japan. 

I should also like to draw your attention 
to the fact that China’s attitude towards India 
is also changing. In 1967, 1968 and in 1969 
perhaps, we remember almost every day, China 
was encouraging Naxalites ovci Peking Radio 
and China was thinking — some news appeared 
in their official paper — that Indian States were 
going to disintegrate. They were giving all 
kinds of inspiration to Naxalites to go ahead. 
But they have now changed their attitude. 
Not only they have stopped that, not only 
they are not supporting Naxalites, but certain 
radical changes have taken place in the Sub- 
continent... 

AN HON. MEMBER : What about their 
support to Pakistan ? ( Interruption .) 



411 


Relations with 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


China (HJ.H. Disc.) 


412 


SHRI SAMAR GUHA : What I was 
going to say is that we certainly find China 
has noticed that Naxalite problem has com- 
pletely changed theie is no hope for the 
Naxalitcs, and the China's attitude towards 
Naxalitcs and the forces of disintegration has 
also changed. China has noticed that all 
their help to Nagas, and Mizos has also 
failed ; that the batches of Nagas and Mizos 
they had trained have been caught by 
India. Then, China has noticed that with the 
annihilation of Pakistani rule over Bangladesh, 
there is a radical change in regard to the 
possibility of poking their nose in the Indian 
sub-continent. Apart from that, wc have 
noticed a certain low-key attitude of China 
during the conflict between India and Pakistan 
in relation to Bangladesh. 

I mention all this because China wanted 
to have a certain point or political base to 
enter into the politics of Indian sub-continent. 
The things have changed. China is now being 
obliged to make a thorough change, if I may 
not use the word “thoiough" change but a 
certain change is already indicated in the 
attitude of China towards India. 

I want to quote Han Suyin’s interview, in 
November 1971, from a Chinese papers in 
which she has made a very significant state- 
ment after meeting one of the dose associates 
of Chou En-lai. It says : 

“China desires India to be strong 
and at peace. . " 

“The olficial insistently remarked the 
sub-continent should be kept clear of big 
power influence and the aim of “im- 
perialist powers” to shower mistrust and 
provoke ( lashes between India and 
China. . . . 

MR. CHAIRMAN: This is Unstarred 
Question No. 634 on which you have raised a 
half-an-hour discussion. The Question was 
put by Shri S. M. Banerjce and Shri R. S. 
Pandcy, The Minister’s reply is, “India is 
still awaiting China’s response to her earlier 
move in this regard.” 

Now, you arc giving your own impres- 
sions as to what is China doing. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
This is a very profound analysis that he is 
making. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I know that 
there is a group of politicians in India. 
Whenever there is any alignment or good 


gesture to other than one axis, that cicatcs 
trouble with them* Wc understand their 
politics. I understand Mr. Indrajit Gupta 
also quite well. And further, the Report 
says : 

“He hopes that ‘India will see her 
way clear of the control of her own 
destiny. . . .' 

“China desires that India should 
remain united and independent. It is not 
in the interest of any one except im- 
perialism, open or disguised, that India 
should break up.” 

This is a statement which is very important. I 
mention this because there arc certain indica- 
tions of change in China’s attitude towaids 
India. 

There is another point about the axis of 
rivalry. That China has also radically 
changed. That was mainly with India, After 
1962, the axis has changed. This axis is no 
longer there. This is not the axis of rivalry 
between Delhi-Peking but now it is between 
Peking-Moscow. We should realise its signi- 
ficance. It is good and I appreciate the 
Government that they arc not over-playing the 
Indo-Sovict Peace Treaty. Rather, our 
Government is emphasizing the politics of 
non-alignment and the politics of self-reliance. 
This is absolutely necessaiy. It is absolutely 
necessary for our future relations with China. 
If you really want to develop a base of peace 
in the sub-continent, it is essential that we 
disentangle ourselves from all international 
bloc alignments. It is essential that we try to 
develop good neighbourly relations with China. 
In fact China is now afraid of a weaker India. 
But China will appreciate a stronger India. 
A weaker India may play the role of a second 
fiddle to some big power. About the new axis, 
the new axis of rivalry between Peking and 
Moscow may affect India to go on the side 
against China Therefore, China will prefer a 
stronger India and not a weaker India. The 
political situation has changed. 

Now it is the time that India should try 
to take initiative in normalising relations with 
China. Ours is not the position of 1962. After 
1965 and 1971, the image of India in the 
international world and also at home has 
undergone a change. Therefore, wc can talk 
with China from the point of strength and 
from the point of self confidence and not with 
any sense of inferiority complex. 

You were now talking about the actual 



413 


Relations with 


SRAVANA 25, 1894 (, SAKA ) 


China (HAM. Disc.) 414 


line of control in Kashmir. Thu can be an 
indirect communication to China to settle our 
border dispute with her. 

I conclude by saying that, for the Future, 
for ensuring a real, socialist base, for sodo- 
economic development of India, it is absolutely 
essential that the Indian sub-continent should 
be made a base of peace. That peace is 
possible if we can normalise our relations with 
China and develop good neighbourly relations 
with them. That is why I have raised this 
discussion. 

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY (Chit- 
toor) : I would like to know from the Minis- 
ter of External Adairs whether any edoris or 
any moves have been initiated by third 
countries to bring about a better relationship 
or a thaw in the relationship between India 
and China. We have reports that Mrs. 
Bandaranaike, Prime Minister of Ceylon, 
during her visit, was instrumental to bringing 
about a message or some sort of a move with 
a view to breaking the immobility or the 
deadlock in the relations between India and 
China on account of the border dispute. I 
want to know whether there is any such 
move or any edorts have been made at the 
initiative of this country and if so, what are 
the elforts that we are making to normalise 
our relationship with China, to resume our 
diplomatic relations with China. 

SHRI DAS AR ATI I A DEB (Tripura 
East) : We had hostilities with China owing 
to border dispute. But now, for the last ten 
years, there has been a lull in the border. It 
appears that the Government of the Peoples 
Republic of China have already indicated 
their eagerness to normalise relations with 
India. In view of this changed situation, I 
do not see any reason why it should not be 
possible for India and China to normalise 
their relations. I also want to know what 
specific steps arc being taken by the Govern- 
ment of India to establish full diplomatic 
relations with China and also trade relations. 
My another point is this. Every one of us 
knows that imperialist America is the number 
one enemy of the socialist China. If President 
Nixon could go to Peking to talk to the 
leaders of China to improve their relationship, 
what stands in the way of the Government of 
India to take the initiative to normalise the 
relations with China ? 

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR 
(Hamirpur) ; As a part of the process of nor- 
malisation of relations with China, our Govern* 


ment has been sending some feelers and one 
of them, I believe, is an invitation conveyed 
to the Chinese Government to take part in 
the Third International Asian Trade Fair to 
be held in Delhi. May I know China’s res- 
ponse to this? 

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Relations with 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


China (H.A.H. Due.) 


416 


THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFF- 
AIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Ihavelisten- 
ed with a great deal of interest to the expres- 
sion of different points of view and different 
emphasis that has been laid on this question. 

Shri Samar Guha appears to have talked 
with a great deal of insight into the intentions 
of the People’s Republic of China. I am not 
sure whether China has changed or not, but, 
there is definitely a change in Mr. Samar 
Guha. It is a welcome change, whatever may 
be the background and the reasons for this 
change. 

We should continuously go on assessing 
the situation. There is no fixed position and 
if the international situation changes, then 
we should also be prepared to our attitudes 
and our approach to the changing situation. 
That is the essence of any foreign policy and 
we should take note of the changes and take 
appropriate steps in older to keep pace with 
these changes. 

So far as the broad policy of the Govern- 
ment of India is concerned, we have always 
been of the view that the people of India and 
the people of China are great people and they 
are neighbours — geography has placed them 
together — and whatever may be the differences 
or disputes between the two countries, I can- 
not see any escape from the ultimate emergence 
of a situation where the people of India and 
the people of China would live in peace and 
as good neighbours. 

In the meantime, we have always been of 
the view that relations between India and 
China should improve. There is no doubt 
that relations between the two countries deteri- 
orated very much ; there was an armed con- 
flict between the two countries. After that 
also, the general attitude of China has not 
been one of expressing any friendly feeling or 
friendship towards India. In fact, we have 
noticed, as Mr. Samar Guha mentioned, their 
support to certain disruptive elements in India. 
There is also their general propaganda line 
of trying to project a picture of India as a 
disintegrating India, highlighting our troubles 
either on the labour front or on the front of 
industrial production or food production ; 
this, unfortunately, has been the attitude of 
China. At one time Mr. Samar Guha used 
to summarise all these things in an admirable 
manner and he used to urge us to take a more 
militant attitude towards China. We had, 
however, resisted that temptation and always 


took an attitude which we thought was in 
our best interests. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If I am a realist, 
am I wrong ? If I find changes, I also change. 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : When the 
praise comes, take it in good spirit. Don’t fed 
rattled when you are praised. While keeping 
our objective to do everything possible to 
improve relations, our main effort has been 
not to do anything which unnecessarily exacer- 
bates relations between India and China. But, 
at the same time, we have to take a realistic 
view of the situation as it is today. 

I have made several public statements. 
I have made statements on the floor of the 
House expressing our desire, our willingness, 
our readiness, to improve relations with China. 
Unfortunately, unless Mr. Samar Guha has 
some inside information, we have not received 
a good response. Our attitude still continues 
to be to do everything to improve relations, 
to remove misunderstanding. But, the latest 
propaganda blast which China has undertaken 
in several respects is not a very good develop- 
ment and I do not see any noticeable change 
in their attitude towards India and their atti- 
tude of highlighting our difficulties, and their 
trying to paint a picture which shows India 
in unfavourable stance still continues. 

SHRI S. M. B\NERJEE (Kanpur) : What 
is your opinion about their vetoing Bangladesh’s 
admission in the United Nations ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: On the question 
of Bangladesh, the entire House knows the 
attitude of the Chinese representatives. We 
know what their attitude was when the situa- 
tion in Bangladesh was developing and also 
when the Pakistani attack came on us And 
also, their attitude in the U. N. O. These £.rc 
all facts, known to every one. Surely, even 
if you give a most charitable interpretation, 
you cannot say that they were unbiassed in 
thi9 respect. Their attitude was tilted in favour 
of Pakistan, and, unfortunately, in favour of 
a military regime, Yahya Khan regime, which 
had unleashed that terror and violence against 
the people of Bangladesh. 

Even today, our neighbour Bangla Desh 
is recognised by four out of the five perma- 
nent members of the Security Council. Over 
80 members of the United Nations have alrea- 
dy recognised Bangla Desh, which means that 
the majority of the membership of the United 
Nations has recognised Bangla Desh. But still 



417 


JReiatioru with 


SRAVANA 2$, 1894 (SAKA) Ckina (H.A M. Disc.) 418 


the Chinese altitude in the United Nations 
appears to be to block the entry of Bangla 
Desh. It is all the more, I should say, tragic 
that a country like the People’s Republic of 
China, whose own entry to the United Nations 
had been blocked by others is now adopting 
an attitude against the majority view of the 
UN members and threatening to exercise the 
exceptional right which permanent members 
of the Security Council have, to veto her 
entry into the United Nations. The power of 
veto is a power which is very sparingly exer- 
cised when issues of peace and war are invol- 
ved. To keep a country of 75 million out and 
to threaten the use of veto is certainly not a 
very encouraging feature ; which holds out 
great possibilities of normalisation of relations; 
in the attitude of China in relation to the 
countries of the Indian sub-continent. 

I am not quite sure whether President 
Bhutto is making their attitude more strong 
or whether it is ihe Chinese attitude which 
perhaps is encouraging Mr. Bhutto again to 
adopt an attitude which, according to our 
assessment does not appear to be in the best 
interests even of Pakistan or of President 
Bhutto. But this is a fact which we cannot 
ignore and we cannot explain it away and we 
cannot wish it away by any argument. What- 
ever may be various axes, whether it is friend- 
ly between Peking and other countries or an 
unfriendly attitude between Peking and third 
countries, we should carefully assess our own 
position and our own attitude. We were hop- 
ing that relations with China would improve, 
and to be quite frank, I had a feeling that 
they were moving though very slowly towards 
impiovement, before the situation in Bangla 
Dcsh developed. We should take a realistic 
view, with the Chinese attitude in relation to 
the events in Bangla Dcsh, in relation to the 
movement of about ten million refugees from 
Bangla Desh into India, in relation to the 
Pakistani attack on us, in relation to their 
general assessment of what was happening in 
this sub-continent where human rights of 
millions of people were actually trampled 
under the military pressure and military atro- 
cities ; the Chinese attitude v as not such as 
could by any imagination be regarded as 
impartial. In fact, it was heavily weighted 
in favour of the military regime which was 
crushing the urges of the people of Bangla 
Dcsh for their own independence and for the 
preservation of their human rights. 

This attitude again caused a setback to 
the Blow process of improvement that was 


taking shape before the events of Bangla Desh 
took the shape which they did. 

18 hrs. 

1 am not yet clear as to whether there 
has been a clear reversal or a change or even 
a softening of the attitude in this respect. 
Whereas our ultimate objective is clear, still 
we cannot improve the relations unless there 
is a response from the other side. As they 
say, you cannot achieve such a thing by 
unilaterally pressing your viewpoint. After 
all, there have to be two to strengthen friend- 
ship as also there are to be two if there is 
going to be trouble. Notwithstanding our 
willingness to improve relations, at the present 
moment, I do not sec any clear response from 
the Chinese side. 

What should we do in this situation ? We 
should not do anything which unnecessarily 
exacerbates relations. At the same time, we can- 
not continue to go on repeating this thing with- 
out a projier response. So we must as a mature 
nation watch the situation and should carc- 
full see as to how things are emerging. We 
have to safeguard our interests ; we have to 
safeguard the basic interests of peace in this 
sub-contincnt, of our relations with Bangla 
Dcsh and with Pakistan in this neighbourhood, 
and it is only in the light of this that wc can 
take further steps to normalise relations. 

With your permission, I would like to 
answer very briefly the three questions put. 
To the first by Shri Reddy, my reply is that 
there has been no effort made by any third 
country to take any initiative for bringing 
about improvement of relations between 
India and China. Our approach in this 
respect has always been that whenever the 
relations between these two great countries, 
India and China, being neighbours, being 
large countries, improve, they will improve 
only by bilateral effort and any friendly 
association or friendly move by a third country 
is not likely to yield any useful result. 

The question of sending an ambassador 
or raising the diplomatic representation to 
ambassadorial level is only a question of 
raising the level of representation. We have 
got a resident mission in Peking and Chinese 
got a resident mission in Delhi. Either country 
on any occasion can notify the other that it 
has decided to upgrade the level of represen- 
tation. No wide or important principle is 
involved in this. If we find that by upgrading 
the level of representation our contacts there can 
be established at a higher level to some useful 



Relations with 


AUGUST 16, 1972 


China {H.A.H. Disc.) 


420 


419 


[Shri Swaran Singh] 

purpose, we will not hesitate to do so* As I 
said, there is no question of any wide principle 
involved one way or the other in this respect. 

I have already answered one question 
asked by Shri Deb. The other is about trade 
relations. We are prepared to have economic 
relations with China. If they are prepared 
to buy anything, we are prepared to sell it to 
them. If we require something from China, 
we are prepared to purchase from them. 
Political differences need not come in the way 
of economic relations. 

Another question asked was about our 
invitation to them for their participation in 
the Trade Fair. We did extend an invitation 
to them, that they should participate in the 
Trade Fair being organised. We have not so 
far got any response from them. 

I am glad the CPI «(M) member has 
quoted the example of President Nixon’s 
flight to Peking. As you know, we have 
always welcomed the relaxation of tension in 


any part of the world, between any two 
adversaries. We have also to remember that 
behind President Nixon’s flight was a long 
period of informal contacts and most of the 
understandings, according to our information, 
had been achieved even before President 
Nixon went to Peking, as a result of several 
contacts, about which the whole world now 
knows, that were established at a fairly high 
level between China and the USA. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : America 
followed it up after sending a ping pong 
team to China. We did not follow that 
way. 

Then, I think the Jan Sangh Member’s 
question does not call for any reply because 
he did not put any question as such to me. 

18.06 hrs. 

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of 
the Clock on Thursday , August 17, 1972fSravana 
26, 1894 ( Saka ). 


Tej Kumar Press (P) Ltd., Lucknow — 4*9-1972 — 1010* 



CONTENTS 


No. 13 — Thursday > August 17 , 1972jSravana 26, 1894 (Saka) 


'Oral Answers to Questions — 

i 

| •Starred Questions Nos. 
>Short Notice Question No 2 
Written Answers to Qaestions 
Starred Questions Nos. 
Unstarred Questions Nos 


241 to 245, 248, 250 anJ 2>I 


246, 247, 249 and 252 to 260 

2180 to 2392, 2394 fo 2412, 
2415 to 2444, 2446 to 2456, 
2458 to 2494, 2496 to 2510. 
2512 to 2*21, 2523 to 2538, , 
2540 to 2546 and 2548 to 
2579. 


Calling Attention to Matter of Uigcnt Public Importance — 

* Reported Smuggling of foreign watches etc by sim: 
European Consular officials in Calcutta 

Papers Laid on the Table 

Messages from Rajya Sablia 

Victoria Memorial (Amendment) Bill— 

As passed by Rajya Sabha 

Central Sales Tax Amendment) Bill — 
p Report of Select Committee and Evidence 

Qills Introduced — 

(l) Wild Life (Protection) Bill 

* 

(li) Seeds (Amendment) Bill 
Constitution (Thirtieth Amendment) Bill — 

► 

^lotion to consider 

Shri H. R. Gokhale 
Shri Somnath Chatterjee 


COLUMN'S 

1 -40 
30 -41 

40 —52 


51—188 

189—92 

192—94 

104 


194 

P,4-- 5 

195 
195 

196—27 
196—98. 224 -32 
199-204 


♦The sign -f marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question *as 
dually asked on tl e House by that Member. 



(ii) 


Shri R. V. Bade 

Shn Jagannath Rao 

Shri A. K. Sen 

Shri O. K. Panda 

Shn R. D. Bhandare 

Shn Shyamnandan Mishra 

Shn Dinesh Chandra Goswami 

Shri G. Viswanathan 

Clauses 2, 3 and 1 

Motion to Pass 7 

Income Tax (Amendment) B:ll, 1972 — 
Motion to consider 

Shri K. Baladhandayutham 
Shri K. R. Ganesh 
Clauses 2 to 6 and 1 
Motion to Pass 
Shri Shivnath Singh 
Shri K. R. Ganesh 

public Debt (Amendment) Bill — 
Motion to consider 
Shri K. R. Ganesh 
Shri Dasaratha Deb 
Shri K. M. Madhukar 
Shri K. Narayana Rao 
Shri C. T. Dhandapani 
Clauses 2 to 5 and 1 
Motion to Pass 
Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya 




221—23 * 

4 

223—24 
240—70 * 
262 

270—76 
270—72 
272—74 . 
274 
274 

274—75 

276 

* 

276—82 

276—78 

278 

278— 79 

279— 80 
280 
281 
281 
281—8^ 


t 



(Hi ) 


Sbri K. R. Ganesh 


... 

COLUMNS 

282 

Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill — 

Motion to consider, as reported by Select Committee 



282—316 

Shii Yeshwantrao Chavan 


... 

282—88 

Shri Virendra Aggarwal 


... 

288—91 

Shri B. R. Shukla 


... 

291—95 

Shri Dasaratha Deb 


... 

295—98 

Shri G. Viswanathan 


... 

299—301 

Shri K. Baladhandayutham 

* 

... 

301—06 

Shri K. Narayana Rao 


... 

307—10 

Shri C. M. Stephen 


... 

310—14 

Shri Satpal Kapur 


... 

314—16 




LOK SABHA DEBATES 


1 

LOK SABHA 

Thursday , August 17 . 1972/Sravana 26 s 1894 
(Saka) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the 
Clock 

[Mr. Speaker w the Chair ] 


ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 
Bill on Industrial Relations 

*241. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ; 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether all the Labour Trade Unions 
have been consulted with regard to the 
introduction of the Industrial Relations 
Bill; and 

(b) if so, what were their views 0 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA 
BIL1TAT1UN (SHRI BALGOVIND 
VERM A) : (a) and (b). The pioposed 
comprehensive Industrial Relations law 
will take into account the various views 
expressed during protracted consultations, 
with the tiade unions and others, that have 
taken place since the Government received 
the report of the National Commission on 
Labour. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Every 
body knows the state of industrial rela- 
tions and the number of man-days lost due 
to lack of understanding between the 
management and employ sees. What 
spccificaction is being taken by the Govern* 
meat and when are they going to implement 
the suggestions ? 


2 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR): The question is about industrial rela- 
tions law and we contemplate bringing for 
ward a Bill on the basis of the recommenda- 
tions of the National Labour Commission. 
We placed it before the tripartite body, the 
last national labour conference. The three 
national trade unions met together as a 
group and they have submitted their agree- 
ment. On that basis we are bringing for- 
ward that legislation. As For the second 
part, we are in "consulation with the State 
Labour Ministers and 1 think I should be 
able to introduce legislation in the next 
session. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Is that Bill going 
to be only bilateral relationship between 
labour and capital or between labour and 
management 0 Are you also going to consider 
the points of view of the consumers whe- 
ther individual or collective or group ? 
Will the consumers’ point of view be tak?n 
up as part of the industrial relationship ? 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Every time 
we take up this question of industrial 
relationship, we keep in mind the probable 
effect that it will have on the consumers. 
Beyond that there is no special organisation 
whom we could consult. 

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SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : So far as 
the proposed legislation is concerned, we 
consult the three national trade unicn 
centres along with the employees’ organisa- 
tions and state Govts. About the first 
part of the question, I would assure him 
that we are consulting the State Labour 
Ministers and all the recommendations, as 
far as possible, made by the National 
Labour Commission will be given effect to, 
keeping in view the general consensus that 
we have arrived at. 

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SHRF R. K. KHADILKAR : That is 
not one of the three national trade union 
centres. Certainly I talk with their leaders 
but not as an organisation. 

SHRF A P SHARMA : It is gratifying 
to note that the minister has consulted the 
three national trade union centres, as he 
calls them. May I know whether this 
Industrial Relations Bill is also going to 
affect the lakhs of Central Government 
employees and may I know whom he is 
going to consult about them. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR Central 
Government employees are goverred 
sepaiately under the JCM. Th'ir machinery 
for consultation is different. They are by 
comention not governed by industrial law. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : It appears 
from the answer tha he will be able to intro- 
duce a Bill in the next session. In the 
meantime, there is going to be a fast 
deterioration in the industrial relations in 
the country because of the rising prices and 
the demand by the workers for wage rise 
and bonus. In the intervening period, is 
he going to convene any meeting of the 
central trade union organisations and other 


organisations connected with certain pro- 
blems to <ee that r dustrial relations improve 
because there is going 10 be labour trouble 
in every p'acc ? 

MR. SPEAKER Please do not 
make a speech. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The three 
national trade union centres have formed a 
Council of Trade Unions. Through that, 
they can take up certain matters and 
approach the Government. So far as rising 
prices and other causes for industrial 
discontent are concerned, wc deal with them 
separately. This is not a form for dealing 
with individual problems. 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : What about 
the demand for wage rise and bonus ? 

SHRI A. P. SHARMA : Industrial 
relations do not deal with wages and bonus. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : That is 
right. Industrial relations law does not 
deal with wage structure and bonus 

MR. SPFAKER ■ You do not recognise 
the Chair He does not recognise the 
Chair. What am I to do ? Kindly have a 
look at me also; 

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : Yes, Sis. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : It 
is gratifying that the Labour Minister is 
consulting the labour organisations befoie 
enacting laws. Will he advise the other 
ministries also to consult the other interests 
at the tunc of enacting laws ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Please be relevant to 
tins question. 

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SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : The Bharat 
Mazdoor Sangh has ideological affiliations 
with Jan Sangh. They have got limited 
strength. 



5 ' Oral Answers 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 6 


MR. SPEAKER : Questions should not 
be asked in a provocative manner. That 
is not good. Do not provoke them. Then 
it will be a headache which is transferred 
to me. You quietly sit down and I have 
to deal with them. 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : As amicable 
relationship between the management and 
labour does not exist in the public sector 
undertakings of this country, do the govern- 
ment propose to have strict application of 
this legislation to the public sector under- 
takings ? 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : Industial 
law will apply to public sector undertakings 
as well. 

Closure of Iron ore Mining Industries 
in Bibar and Orissa 

4 " 

♦242, SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : 

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether iron ore mining industries 
m the Barajamda and Banspam areas of 
Bihar and Orissa are facing closuie; 

(b) whether 10,000 workers have already 
been retrenched from January to March, 
1972; and 

(c) the steps being taken by Govern- 
ment in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Govern- 
ment is aware of the difficulties being faced 
by some of the iron ore mines in Bihar- 
Orissa resulting in the closure of some of 
them. 

<b) No, Sir. 

(c) The matter has been under constant 
review, in consulation with the Ministry of 
Railways with a view to Improve the 
supply of the required number of wagons^ 
for movement of the iron ore. 


SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May 
I know whether it is a fact that the Gene- 
ral Secretary of the Orissa Chamber of 
Commerce has made a categorical state- 
ment that the retrenchment has been much 
bigger because of the failure of the rail- 
ways for the last two years to move iron 
ore from mine site for export via Paradip 
and the shortfall was one million tonnes 
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 ? If so, how 
far this statement is true ? What steps 
have been taken in this regard ? 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : It is 
true that the railways had have some difficul- 
ty in moving the iron ore from the area for 
export via Paradip. Even though the 
target for export through Paradip was 18 
lakhs tonnes, the actual performance was 
13.45 lakhs tonnes, leaving a shortfall of 
about 5 lakhs tonnes. 

SHRI RAM SHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH : In reply to part (a) of the ques- 
tion the Minister has stated that some of 
these mines have been closed. Which are 
those mines and how many of them are in 
Bihar ? What is the position of the work- 
ers in those mines which are closed ? Will 
they be absorbed elsewhere or will they 
continue to be unemployed ? 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : The 
total number of workers affected so far 
vanes from 1,800 to 2,000. Though there 
has been no large-scale retrenchment, there 
has been fairly large-scale lay off. The 
mines affected are : Kasia-Barpada Iron 
Ore Mines No. 1 and 2. Seramda-Bhadrassai 
Manganese Mine No. 1 and 2, Guah Iron 
Mine Jaruri Iron Ore Mine, Gorumahi- 
«ani Iron Mine and Purnapam Iron Mine. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : In view of 
the fact* that a large number of employees 
as has been stated just now, are laid off, 
may I know from the hon. Mmis'er whether 
these persons have been paid lay off compen- 
sation under the Industrial Disputes Act ? 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : That 
strictly does not come within the purview 
of the Ministry of Steel and Mines. I 
presume that the law on the subject will be 
obe^d. {Interrupt ion) There are definite 
rules and regulations on the subject of lay- 
off and those are adhered to. 



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Oral Answers 8 


1 


Bombing of North Vietnam 

*243. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Will 
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to slate : 

(a) whether the United States Air Force 
planes have attacked the dyke system in 
North Vietnam several times in recent weeks 
re ulting in heavy loss of life to civilian 
population; 

(b) if so, whether India has made any 
efforts to rouse world opinion against such 
inhuman and barbarous attack on the 
civilian population in that country; and 

(c) if so, the nature of the efforts made 
in this direction ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The 
DRVN Government have informed the 
Government of India of the serious damage 
caused to their dyke svstem by the U. 
S. bombings and loss of civilian lives. 

(b) and (c). Government of India have 
consistently opposed the U. S. bombings of 
Vietnam and expressed serious concern 
over the situation resulting therefrom. This 
open reiteration of our stand on the subject 
is in itself a powerful element in mobilising 
world opinion. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Since meek 
and mild gesture of moral reprobation of 
the impossibly atrocius conduct of the 
American imperialists appear to be incons- 
equential, nriy I know whether the Go\ em- 
inent has proceeded n the matter of recog- 
nit'on of the Provisional Revolutionary 
Government of south Vietnam wh ch would 
be a proper answer to the operation of bom- 
bings in such barbaric fashion ? 

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : It is 
a suggestion for action. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Efforts 
made in the direction include not only 
moral gestures of the kind Sardar Sahib 
made but also certain diplomatic and other 
steps in this direction. I do not know what 
is happening in this regerd. 


MR. SPEAKER : 1 am just keeping 
silent over it because it is a very important 
Question But, I think, he should remain 
near about the Question. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Mysubmis- 
sion is that it comes within the ambit of 
the Question. 

MR. SPEAKER : You have gone to 
the P. R. G. and all that. 

SHRI H, N/ MUKERJEE : If you 
could give me time enough, I could give you 
arguments for it, that it comes within the 
ambit of the Question. 

In view of the special responsibility 
devolving upon the Government of India to 
concretise its sen'.e of protest against 
American imperialism and the r bombing in 
Vietnam, may I know why it is that the 
External Aflairs Minister at Guyana appea- 
red to be more apologetic about the walk- 
out of Indonesia and Malysia rather than 
be positne about the admission of P. R. G, 
which would have shown that we do not 
follow a namby pamby policy in foieign 
affairs ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I am sorry 
I do not agree with the assessment of my 
attitude in Guyana which the hon. Member 
has formed. 1 think, it is based on incomp- 
lete informarion about all that happened in 
Guyana. 

MR. SPEAKER : You could put a 
direct question on that. I am sorry 1 allowed 
him to side-track form the main Question 
to P. R. G. and Guyana. This is about the 
bombardment of the dyke system in North 
Vietnam. I would request the Members to 
confine themselves to the Question. 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOSWAMI: 
May I know whether in the recent Confere- 
nce which the hon. Minister of External 
Affairs attended, this matter was formally or 
informally discussed or, even if it was not 
discussed, whether any feeler was thrown 
from the Indian side un this matter ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I must 
inform the House that this matter of bom- 
bing of dykes is now known to the entire 
world. In the initial stages some feeble 



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Oral Answers 10 


attempts were made by the U.S.A. Admini- 
stration to deny, but f think, more and 
more evidence that has no-v been 
available, particularly from independent 
sources, does point out conclusively to the 
fact that dykes have been the subject matter 
of bombing and it is also clear that even 
bombing of points quite close to the dykes 
has also caused serious damage to the 
dykes. This matter has been a subject 
matter of discussion, and this matter, along 
with the general question of bombing of 
North Vietnam territory, was vary much in 
the minds of the delegations in Guyana. 
The final resolution and declaration does 
contain references to the situation in Viet- 
nam and has also taken a positive and clear 
stand of opposition to the bombing and of 
finding solutions which are acceptable to the 
people of Vietnam. 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALD- 
ER : I want to know fiom the Minister 
whether Government is prepared to move 
and pass a resolution condemning the bom- 
bing by U S. Air Foice of North Vietnam 
dykes and civilian population to rouse 
world opinion. 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : No resolu- 
tion is required. We have expressed our 
view-point very categorically more than 
once. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : In view 
of the fact that even leading American poli- 
ticians have attacked their own Government 
for bombing on the dyke system in North 
Vietnam, I want to know from the Minister 
what concrete steps have the Government 
of India taken to rouse public opinion, 
apart from issuing pious statements I also 
want to know whether they had taken up 
the question in the non-aligned Conference 
to have a separate resolution condemning 
the bombing of the dyke system in Noith 
Vietnam. 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : With regard 
to the first question, the opinion is suffici- 
ently roused in our country and all over 
the world, and I do not know what more he 
wants us to do in this respect. 

About the second question, as I have 
said already, the question of Vietnam situa- 


tion and the b>mbingby the Americans of 
North Vietnam territory, including dykes, 
was very much before the Guyana Confere- 
nce, and if the hon. Member carefully 
studies the relevant resolution and declara- 
tion he will find the answer to what he is 
asking me. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Heavy bom- 
bings by Americans is going on in North 
Vietnam, and Mr. kissinger is also going 
here and there. The Minister of External 
Affairs is competent enough to assess the 
American attitude. May I know what exa- 
ciJy is the motive of the Americans ? Do 
they want to destroy North Vietnam or do 
they want to finish the war or do they want 
to negotiate and come to some sort of 
solution ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I wish I 
could answer for the United States Govern- 
ment. But I cannot. 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : There 
has been the reported vis i 1 of Dr. Rissinger 
to South Vietnam to persuade that Govern- 
ment to come to some sort of an underst- 
anding with North Vietnam. May I know 
whether the role of India and also that of 
the non-aligned nations had had any impact 
on the United States to make them initiate 
this move ? I also want to know whe- 
ther it was known to our Government 
before Dr, Kissinger made his visit to South 
Vietnam. 

MR. SPEAKER : Why do you not 
put a separate question on this ? 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : This 
is my question : whether the reported visit 
of Dr. Kissinger . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : So many people 
come and so many people go. Please ask 
a relevant question .* whether any Ameri- 
cans tried to . . . (Interruptions) You are 
again going to repeat it ? 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : I 
am not repeating it. 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : We knew 
that yesterday Dr. Kissinger flew in a plane 



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Oral Answers 12 


and he has reached Saigon. What he is 
going to do there, what are his plans — 1 
do not know anything at all. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Before I 
put a question, I really wanted to bring to 
your notice that when we put questions, 
1 have seen that an American diplomat is 
violating the rules and regulations and goes 
on taking notes there sitting in the gallery. 
They come here merrily and go on dicta- 
ting their own terms. 1 want that that should 
be snatched away. The security men 
should be sent immediately to snatch it 
away. 

MR. SPEAKER ; It happened once 
earlier also. Don’t make reference to the 
galleries. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : A little 
while earlier, the hon. Minister said 
that in the beginning the American ad- 
ministration was tr\ mg to deny the fact 
of the bombing of the dykes, but later on, 
was forced to admit the truth. I would 
like to know from him . irrespective of 
whether the Americans deny or confirm it, 
have we on our ow'ii sought or received any 
direct information from our envoy in Hanoi 
who, being on the spot, is piobably in a 
position to give us a better and fullei in- 
formation and on the hasi«> of that in- 
formation, can he tell us as to wl at is the 
actual extent of the bombing i f the dykes 
and the damage caused to the civilian 
population and cultivation and so on, and 
on that basis, why has the Government of 
India not said anything ? Why a*e you to 
wait for the Americans to deny or confirm 
it ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : It is a 
pertinent question. We did receive in- 
formation from our own represen tato e in 
Hanoi who, along with certain other dtplo- 
rrates, was taken by the North Vietnam 
authorities to see some of the dykes which 
have been damaged by bombing. Of course, 
he could not go to all the places and, there- 
fore, it was not possible for him to assess 
♦he entire damage to the dykes caused by 
bombing. But he did see with his own 
eyes and he sent a report to us that he 
did see the damage caused to some dykes by 
bombing. 


Setting up of Mineral Exploration 
Corporation 

+ 

*244. SHRI S A. MURUGANANT- 
HAM : 

SHRI ARVIND NETAM: 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be p’eased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to set 
up a Mineral Exploration Corporation to 
accelerate the mineral exploration progra- 
mme in the countiy; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(c) the time by which the Corporation 
is expected to be set up ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b), Govern- 
ment have taken a decision to set up a 
Mineral Exploration Corporation in the 
public sector with its headqurters at Nagpur. 
To start with, this Corporation will function 
with the personnel and equipment to be 
transferred from the Geological Survey of 
Indn. The Corporation will be charged with 
exploring in detad and pro\mg the resources 
in specific mineral prospects in the shortest 
possible time in order to facilitate their 
expeditious exploitation. 

(c) The Corporation is expected to be 
set up within 2-3 months. 

SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM: 
May I know' fiom the hon Minister whether 
Rs. 100 crorcs is being spent for the import 
of non-ferrous metals ? 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is about 
setting up a Mineral Exploration Corporation 
to accelerate the mineral exploration progra- 
mme. You a^k it in the shape of question 
and don’t give infoimation yourself. 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : The 
import bill of metals would be about Rs. 
200 crores roughly. 

SHRI S.A. MURUGANANTHAM: May 
I ki.ow from the hon Minister whether the 



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Oral Answers 14 


Government propose to take urgent steps to 
see that th s drain of foreign exchange is 
stopped at the earliest ? 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: The Gove- 
rnment is doing its utmost to ensure that 
our dependence on imports of metal 
is reluced as quickly as possible. The 
House would be glad to know that as 
far as aluminium is concerned, we are on the 
way to attaining self-sufficiency. Sizeable 
reserves of copper have also been found. 
We are developing that. Nickel also has 
been struck in Orissa and in respect of lead 
and zinc, sizeable deposits are there. We 
are trying to develop that as fast as we can. 

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SHRI PARIPOORNANAND PAINULP 
Will the hon. Minister be pleased to state 
whether as a pie-requisite to mining operati- 
ons and mining explorations, detailed survey 
of the mineral deposits would be conducted, 
especially of th^ deposits in the Himalavan 
region by the Photo Interpretation Institute 9 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN : That 
will be one of the main functions of the 
Mineral Exploration Coiporation. The 
hon. Member would be glad to know that 
already the GSI have prospected various 
minerals in the Himalayan region. 

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : rose. 

MR. SPEAKER : If you ask like this 
I have not been able to finish these ques- 
tions. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I tried to 
catch your eye, but I failed. 


MR. SPEAKER : I am going to divert 
my eye for the question. Anyway, you 
can ask, but Undly don’t make it a 
practice. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Are there 
any complaints for all these long years 
that the mineral exploration work carried 
on so long by GSI was unsatisfactory or 
inidequate 9 If not. what are the specific 
reasons which have led the Government, 
in the face of opposition by many scientists 
and experts, to bifurcate mineral explo- 
ration work from GSI and to set up 
an absolutely independent corporation 
now. 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) : The decision of the Govern- 
ment was talcen^n the basis of the report 
that was submitted by a Sub-committee of 
the Committee on Science and Technology 
consitmg of leading scientists of this country. 
It is called COST. The main reason 
advanced by them, which was accepted by 
the Government, was that geological mapp- 
ing was proceeding rather slowly and that 
it would be better to separate the work of 
pure mapping on the one hand and the 
work exploration on the other hand. In 
many countries there is a division between 
the woik of mapping and :he work of 
exploration. It is really in pursuance of this 
princip’e, after considerable discussion, 
and after getting advice from leading 
scientists, that this decision was taken. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : It is not 
clear whether the mapping will be done in 
the new corporation or whether it will 
continue to be done by the GSI. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : Survey work which really is the 
work of mapprng is being done and will 
continue to be done in the GSI. After 
mapping reveals the existence of mineral 
reserves, in any particular area, the work 
will then be transferred to MEC (Mineral 
Exploration Corporation) to decide on 
whether those reserves could be commer- 
cially exploitable or not. When a decision 
is arrived at that they are exploitable, 
that will go over to the exploiting Cor- 
porations. 



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Oral Answers 16 


Setting up of new Steel Plant In South 

+ 

*245. SHRI B. V. NAIK : 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) the progress so far made in the 
setting up of the three new steel plants in 
the South; 

' (b) the time by which these three plants 
are expected to go into pioduction; and 

(c) the total area of land acquired by 
these plants at Visakhapatnam, Hospet 
and Salem respectively ? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOIiAN KUMARA 
MANGALAM) : (a) to (c). A Statement 
is laid on the Table of the House. 

Statement 

(a) to (c). The progiess made so far 
in respact of the new steel plants is given 
hereunder. The extent of land acquired/ 
being acquired is also indicated: 

Salem Steel Plant : 

2. Based on the Consultants’ techno - 
economic feasibility report of the project, 
an investment decision was taken in May 
1972, for setting up an alloy and special 
steel plant at Salem with the following 
product-mix : 


Sheets/strips Tonnes per annum 

Stainless steel 70,000 

Silicon steel 75,000 

High Carbon Steel 30,000 

Wash heats (Mild Steel) 20,000 

195,000 tonnes 


3, In the case of Salem Steel Project 
about, 1,355 acres of land required for 


the Plant has already been acquired. On the 
basis of the advice given by the Consul- 
tants, Hindustan Steelworks Construction 
Ltd , a Government of India undertaking 
have commended site levelling work. With 
the construction activities having started, a 
separate company for the management of 
the Salem Project is being incorporated 
shortly. 

4. The Project is expected to be 
commisstioned in 1977-78. 

Vijayanagar and Visakhapatnam Steel Plants 

5. The Techno-Economic feasibility 
Reports were received in early 1972. The 
eost estimate v?ned from Rs.747 crores to 
Rs. 819 crores for different alternatives. Besi- 
des, it emerges that the plant would make 
a considerable loss. A Study Group was, 
theiefore, constituted to examine the 
Feasibility Reports with a view to reduce 
capital and operating costs. The Group 
has finalised its work and is expected to 
submit its Rcpoi t shortly. 

6. By 31. 3. 1972 about 3,216 acres 
of land had been acquired for the Vijaya- 
nagar Plant. Preliminary estimates for 
site levelling are being prepared For the 
Visakhapatnam Plant land acquisition 
proceedings are in the progress. Initially 
about 5,500 acres of land is proposed to 
be acquired. 

7. With a view to reduce the lead 
time required for the manufacture of 
equipment as well as to maximise the 
indigenous content, a panel of Experts 
for Standardization of Steel Plant Equip- 
ment was constituted m January, 1972. 
The recommendations made by the Panel 
in their Report submitted in May, 1972 have 
been largely accepted. Steps have, been 
initiated to place orders for some of the 
major equipment on the Heavy Engineering 
Corporation and other public sector engi- 
neering units shortly. A Study Group to 
assess the manpower requirements during 
the construction ns well as the operation 
phase has been constituted. 

8. Arrangements have been made for 
testing the various raw materials at the 
National Metallurgical Laboratory, Jam- 



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SRAVANA 26, 1894 {SAKA) 


Ora! Answers J8 


st^edpur, Central Fuel Research Institute, 
Bhanbad and abroad. 

9. Topographical surveys in respect 
to all the sites have been completed. Rail- 
ways have also completed thei; prelimi- 
nary surveys for providing exchange yards 
and sidings. The schemes prepared by the 
respective State Governments for meeting 
the requirement of water, during the project 
costruction stage, as well as during the 
operation stage are under consideration. 
Initial load bearing tests on soil have been 
completed. 

10. According to a schedule of cons- 
truction indicated by the Consultants in 
the Feasibility Reports, the Plants would 
take about 8 years from now to be com- 
pleted. Measures, including those men- 
tioned above, are in hand to reduee this 
time. 

SHRI B V. NAIK : From the state- 
ment I find that the Salem steel plant is 
expected to go into production in 1977-78, 
while for the other two plants at Vijaynagar 
and Visakhapatnam, no specific date of 
commissioning has been given, even though 
broadly it has been mentioned that it would 
take about eight years. I hope that the 
distinction between the two is not deli- 
berate and that all of them will be commi- 
ssioned. 

It has also been stated that the steel 
plant at Vijaynagar or anywhere else will 
be making substantial amount of loss. In 
view of the fact that many of our public 
sector undertakings particularly in steel 
are working and functioning below their 
capacity, about 33 or 35 per cent in the 
case of Durgapur, will the Steel Ministry 
consider it fit to let the price of steel in 
the open market to float so that they will 
become self-sufficient ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : Tt> answer first of all the point 
regarding the Salem steel plant coming into 
production earlier, I hope the hon, Member 
will appreciate that the steel plant at 
Salem is an alloy steel plant which is to 
produce about 195,000 tonnes of finished 
steel,, that is, alloy steel, whereas Vijay- 
nagar and Visakhapatnam plants are major 
integrated Steel plants. So, naturally the 


time for bringing them into commission will 
be different. I do not think that there is any 
discrimination involved except the dis- 
crimination between alloy steel on the one 
hand and ordinary steel on the other, which 
unfortunately exists in life. 

So far as the question of loss is con- 
cerned, the hon. Member has put forward 
a point which has some relevance, and I 
can assure him that we are examining the 
entire pricing system of steel products to 
try to arrive at a proper conclusion. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : May we know 
whether there is any possibility of further 
‘preponing* the date of commissioning of 
the Vijaynagar and Visakhapatnam plants ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : I arj not quite sure about the 
meaning of that English word ‘preponing*. 
but I presume that it means that he wants 
to bring it forward. So far as ‘preponing’ 
is concerned, every effort is always being 
made to 'prepone’. 

MR. SPEAKER : ‘Poning’ is the 

common thing between the two. 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : I hope that 
this is not unparliamentry. 

I hope you will find that out. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is just the ‘pon- 
ing’ wnich is common on both sides. 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : May 
I know whether these steel plants will meet 
their raw material requirements locally and 
what their man-power requirements would 
be during the construction as well as the 
operatiop phases ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : Thare are three plants involved 
and the extent to which these three diffe- 
rent plants will obtain their raw material 
locally will vary. ^ So far as the Salem 
steel plant is concerned, I think hon. 
Members are aware that our aim is to 
utilise the Kanjimalai iron ore. Since the 
steel plant is not going to be an ordinary 
integrated plant, the question of coke 
does not arise as also coking coal being 
transported there. 



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Oral Answers 20 


So far as the Vijaynaggr plants is con- 
cerned, iron ore will be locally available, 
but coking coal will have to be brought 
from Bihar. So far as the Visakhapatanam 
plant is conce.ned, iron ore would 
very likely be taken from Bailadilla, 
but the coking coal will again be taken 
from Bihar. This is the position so far as 
the raw materials are concerned. 

I did not follow exactly the latter 
part of the hon. Member’s question. 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : What 
will be the man-power requirements during 
their construction as well as operation 
phases ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : We have not arrived at any 

final conclusion regarding man-power re- 
quirements A study group in examining 
that in order to do so. 

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This is about transport of ore to 
Visakhapatnam and shipment to Japan. At 
present, what is the procedure for bringing 
iron ore from Bailldilla to Visakhapatnam ? 
Is it by our own rail or by some other means? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA MANGA 
LAM : At the present moment, we are 
still examining what will be the exact method 
of transport. Ordinarily we would expect that 
the entire ore would be transported by rail. 
But during the last decade, as hon. mem- 
bers must be aware, there has developed 
the process of transporting iron ore by 
slurry. We are examining all the three 
methods, namely, pelletising and transport- 
ing the pellets or sending them by slurry 
or sending them by rail. We have not 
come to a final decision. 

SHRI B. S. MURTHY : What are the 
difficulties m acquiring land in Visakha- 
patn:.m ? Also what are the other teething 
troubles in the case of the Visakhapatnam 
factory ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 


MANGALAM : I do not think Government 
have ever stated that we have had any 
difficulties regarding acquiring land in 
Visakhapatnam. The other difficulties are 
the normal ones that one faces in relation 
to the establishment of any public sector 
undertaking of a major character — nothing 
special. 

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SHRI PILOO MODY : It is a very good 
question. 

MR. SPEAKER : On his recommenda- 
tion, I am allowing it for answer. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : The decision to put up a 
steel plant in Visakhapatnam was taken 
some years ago. I think all considerations 
were taken into account in arriving at that 
decision. 

Advance payment for goods not 
supplied 

*248. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of SUPPLY be 
pleased to state : 



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SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 22 


(a) whether a firm fraudulently obtained 
advance payments amounting to Rs. 2 84 
lakhs for supplies which were not effected 
by it, as observed by the public Accounts 
Committee in its 105th Report (Fourth Lok 
Sabha); 

(b) if so, whether an investigation into 
the matter has been completed; and 

(c) whether in view of this observation, 
Government is contemplating to consider 
the question of building safeguards into the 
general conditions governing contracts of 
the D. G. S. & D. ? 

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D. R. CHAV AN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) In the light of the observations 
made by the Public Accounts Committee, 
certain remedial measures have been taken 
by the Government from time to time to 
safeguard Government’s interests. A state- 
ment listing out these measures is laid on 
the Table of the'House. 

St ite merit 

1. Sub* clause 9 of Clause 14 of the 
condition of contract (DOS & D-68- 
Revised) has been amended specifying that 
the railway receipt/consignec’s note or bill 
of lading if any, should be drawn in the 
name of the cansignee or the interim consi- 
gnee, as the case may be, and should be 
sent to him. 

2. Instructions have been issued to the 
Purchase Officers that in future Acceptance 
cf Tenders, the consignees should be reques- 
ted to send an intimation to the Purchase 
Organisation immediately on receipt of 
stores giving particulars of the Acceptance 
of Tender No. and date, date of despatch 
of stores by the contractor with railway 
receipt number and da«e and date of actual 
receipt by the consignee along with the 
quantity received. 

3. In case of progress payments, in 
addition to test checks of railway receipts 
and transport documents, the progress 


held staff will also test check the actual 
receipt of stores by the consignee. This will 
be done by checking consignee's receipts, 
sending letter to consigneee to certify the 
receipt and in important cases even by 
visits to the consignee’s premises. 

4. Consignees have been asked to 
promptly report to the Pay & Accounts 
Officer concerned, with a copy to the Direc- 
torate General of Supplies & Disposals, any 
ca-es of shortages/discrepancies found in 
the stores received by them. In this conne- 
ciion, administrative instructions have been 
issued for preparation of bills by the supply- 
ing fims in quadruplicate to enable the Pay 
& Accounts Officer to uso the triplicate 
copy of the bill as a debit intimation memo 
to the consignee concerned. This will help 
the consignee to report to the concerned 
authoi ities immediately m case stores have 
not been received for which payments have 
been drawn by the firm. 

5. Instructions have been issued that 
all serious complaints received from consi- 
gnee’s and other malpractices, frauds etc. 
reported by them should immediately be 
brought to the notice of the senior officers 
and also periodically reviewed by them so 
as to ensure prompt and pioper action. 

6. It has been decided that the Pay & 
Accounts Officer would, immediately after 
making payment of advance bills, send a 
registered letter to the consignee asking 
him to confirm receipt in full or the extent 
of *hort supply of stores as ind cated in 
the railway receipt, within 45 days of 
receipt of the letter. 

7. It has been decided that the contrac- 
tor should incorporate a certificate on the 
bill foim itself to the effect that the railway 
receipt No. and dare quoted in the bill ' is 
genuine and correct. 

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Arising out of answer to (b>, may 
1 know the contents of the report of 
investigation ? 

SHRI D, R. CHAVAN : When the fraud 
was detected, Director, Supply, Bombay, 
reported it to the CBI, and SPE, Bombay 



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Oral Answers 24 


Branch. Investigation has $>pen completed. 
There are four cases which lire pending in 
the Additional Chief Presidency Magis- 
trate’s Court. Ore case has been decided. 
A partner of the firm committed the fraud. 
He has been convicted and sentenced to pay 
a fine and also undergo imprisonment. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Thi is the 
first time that he is replying to a question as 
the Minister of Supply ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Then he must be 
congratulated. 

PROF. NARAIN CHAND : 
PARASHAR : What is the name of the 
firm ? 

SHRI D R CHAV AN : The name of the 
firm is Khushalbhai patfl & Sons., 
and the partner of the firm, I. R. Patel, 
has been convicted. ( Interruption ) 

stfta fire : *ztt ifaT ?0 
*0 *r 0 m 00 ^ ? aftr *tt *Tf wfaw 
?0% fawre fa0r >nrr | ? sfa gr, 
00*1 001 ffsnjz 501 ? 

SHRI D. R. CHAV AN : The name of 
the firm has been given. 

Mr. SPEAKER : He has mentioned it. 

*1 g*0 *80 *0010 : RffcjJ 

t *T00T 0Tg0T $ *IT Jig 0T0 0?T | fa 

far* 3r*07> f*0i % 

00*1 0001 J0 **ft9r0 001 f?1T 0T ? 

jpp sfr srfa *t nf | 30^ 0g 0101 00T 

I fa 3T*0T *00 0WT f. ? nfc gt, efi 
er?T faeft 3T*0Tf % fawr* %0 *THT fa^T 
00 t xt* fa^ 0*0^ % fawn; arri^ 
*Tf CTTTrgt ^ | ? 

SHRI D.R. CHAV AN : The question is, 
the fraud has been committed by the firm. 
Fraud has not been committed by the office; 
it has not come to the notice of the Govern- 
ment, what is alleged by the hon. Membre 


is absolutely incorrect. 

«rT §*0 *0010 : 0*00? 

& f ® *0^00 tot fan <rr arh: srefa 
wrw^ Jr sir *?% 0g& fa*r 1 1 
^0T | fa 0 I aifa *t 0 ! | 30Jr *it 
arqrer! % fcrsro f 0 | ? Jifa 

fajp^T | rfr 30% fawn; ift 50 *T00r|T 
*t 0f I 00T ? 

MR. SPEAKER : It nas been categ- 
orically stated, (Interuption) 

ftft *r gwT fatrr 1 1 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : This is a 
case where a firm has received fraudulent 
payment without supplying any material. 
Without the official connivance, it is 
impossible to got payment without supply- 
ing the material. I want to know from the 
Minister, when he says that it is only a 
fraudulence on the pait of the firm, what 
action has been taken against the officials 
who have paid the amount. ( Interrupt on ) 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. 

SHRI D R. CHAVAN : All the details 
concerning this case have been given in the 
105th report of the Public Accounts commi- 
ttee, 1969. ( Interruption ) 

MR. SPEAKER : He has put a cate- 
gorical question; whether any action has 
been taken against those officers who have 
made the payment. 

SHRI D. R. CHAVAN : No action has 
been taken against the officials. ( Interruption ) 

*ft g**T *0010 : 0 3 T* 0 Tf *t 
g^rfTr 0Tg?r $ Jfjfifa 3 r**rcf # 
015 0 T 5 0RT f 0 garr ^ 1 (010010) 
0T0 fait? tjt'JT rfr 001 00JTT fa 0T?00 
Jr 0*0T 0t 0Tfaw I I (800010)... 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order, He has 
already categorically stated that no action 
has been taken. Now, Shri H. M. Patel. 
( Interruption ) 



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Oral Answers 26 


Shouting and screaming is not substitute 
for the strength and logic of the question. 
(Interruption) anq VTTfaT # 5JTTST 

% ffTO $3 t I vfTT ^ W 

TOfcft ^ 5TT 3TT?ft I 

SHR1 H. M. PATEL : Will the Minis- 
ter be pleased to indicate if the 
department has carried out any enquiry into 
this, and whether he has found that there 
was no scope or there was scope for taking 
steps against the officers concerned ? 

SHRI D. R. CHAV AN : The investi- 
gation has been done. There was no scope 
for the officers to commit any fraud; no 
connivance. 1 can explain it: how the 
fraud was committed and all that. I can 
explain what was the modus operandi that 
was employed. The matter ^vas investigated 
and the officers here not found to be 
involved, ( Interruption ) 

MR SPEAKER : 1 th nk he is very 
honestly tellirg you. He is not hiding or 
concealing anything . ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What is the modality of payment ? How is 
the officer not involved ? 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Who made 
the payment ? Who sanctioned it ? 

MR. SPEAKER : He is asking about the 
modality of payment. 

SHRI D. R. CHAVAN : This is adva- 
nce payment made according to the practice 
prevalent in the DGSD on the basis of the 
railway receipt. The modus operandi in this 
case was as follows. The firm were not the 
manufacturers themselves but they were the 
agents of certain textile mills. They entered 
into agreement for supplying various stocks. 
In this case the mill manufactured the cloth 
and despatched the cloth after inspection 
to the destination and passed on the railway 
receipt to the bankers with instiuc- 
tions that if the firm makes payment to the 
bank the receipt should be given. The firm 
did not' make payment to the bank but 
quoted fictitious receipt to the Pay and 
Accounts and got the money, advance 
payment which was 90 per cent of the total 
contract. . . ( Interruptions ) 


MR. SPEAKER I have called the 
next question. 

Implementation of ratio of 
Clerks in E.P.F.O. 

*250. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether ratio of U.D.Cs and L. 
D.Cs. has been fixed by the Government 
from 1:2 to 2:1 Employees Provident Fund 
Organ aition and a Gazette Notification in 
this regard has also been published; if so 
the specific features thereof and the policy 
of the Government; and 

(b) the steps being taken to expedite 
the implementation of the same ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION (SHRI BALGOVIND 
VERMA) : (a) The Government have 
accepted a recommendation of the Central 
Board of Trustees based on the report of a 
Committee of Trustees that the ratio of U. 
D.Cs and L D.Cs may be liberali- 
sed from 1:2 to 2 : 1 subject to the 
condition that there would be no 
overall increase in the total number 
of posts as a result of the revision of the 
ratio and the revised ratio should be given 
effect to from the date of regular filling up 
of the posts. No gazette notification has 
been issued prescribing the ratio of the 
posts of U.D.Cs and L.D.Cs. 

(bi The Provident Fund authorities have 
reported that the Scheme has already 
been implemented. 

SHRI R. P. YADAV: May I know whe- 
ther a decision has been taken in the matter 
to reverse the ratio and if so why the same 
is not being implemented ? What is the 
number of LDCs and UDCs ? After this 
ratio is reversed, how many LDCs were 
promoted as UDCs ? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: I do not 
follow the point that the ratio had been 
reversed. It has already been stated that the 
ratio had been liberalised from 1 : 2 to 2 : I. 
Accordingly some posts have been filled; 
189 posts have been filled and 189 LDCs 



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were promoted as UDCs, It has been deci- 
ded to promote 1,000 LDCt as UDCs in the 
long run. 

SHRI R. P. YADAV: I want to know 
whether the Central Provident Fund Comm- 
issioner is not implementing the scheme 
deliberately due to his prejudices and if so 
what action is being contemplated against 
him ? Is the Minister aware that the emplo- 
yees are on strike ? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERM A r The con- 
tention of the hon. member is not correct 
that the Piovident Fund Cormissioner is 
not filling up the posts as per the decision. 
The fact is, the posts are filled fifty-fifty; 
i e 50 per cent will be by promotion based 
on seniority and 50 per cent by those who 
come out successful in the examination. On 
a tacit understanding, the two methods of 
filling up the posts will goon side by side. 
(Interruptions). 

SHRI R P. YADAV: Has it come to 
the notice of Government that they are on 
strike ? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: It has 
not come to our not'ce. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: This was one 
of the demands of the employees of this 
organisation which has been conceded in 
part, not fully. Ha\e tfey submitted a char- 
ter of demands and there is a countrywide 
agitation going on this ? Have they made a 
request to the minister to intervene m the 
matter ? If so, what is his reaction ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1- 
LKAR) : We have received charters of 
demands from various quarters and one of 
them is from thc^e employees We have 
partially met their demands and partially it 
is under the consideration of the Board of 
Trustees. ( Interruptions ). 

Compensation tj Victims of Dhun 
Mine disaster in Bihar in 1965 

•251. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE* Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) whether family members of 268 work- 
ers who died in Dhun Mine Disaster, Bihar 


in 1965 have not yet been paid compensa- 
tion; and 

(b) if so, the reasons why no action was 
taken to get compensation for the family 
members either by the State Government 
or by the Union Labour Ministry ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADI- 
LKAR): (a) Yes. 

(b) The enforcement of the Workmen’s 
Compensation Act, 1923, rests with the State 
Government. No action was possible on the 
part of the State Government as the comp- 
ensation proceedings pending before the 
Labour Court. Patna had been stayed by 
the Patna High Court till the disposal of the 
civil revision cases preferred before it by 
the management These cases have since 
been disposed of by the High Court and the 
compensation proceedings have been resumed 
in the Labour Court at Patna. The date for 
the next hearing is 28th August, 1972. 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE* In 1965 in 
Bihar, 268 workers died in the Dhun Mines 
owned by the Raja of Ramgarh. Wc aie 
putting this question in 1972 and we arc 
told that no compensation has been pa.d 
to their families May I know whether the 
Government of India are in contact with the 
State Government and whether they wi'I 
see that at least the members of their fami- 
lies, if they aie alive, should be paid this 
compensation ? 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: I must 
admit that it is a sad commentary on the 
functioning of the judiciary when offences 
of this nature are brought to the courts, 
the Labour Court, ihe Patna High court 
and all these courts, I do not know under 
what influence, because so many people 
died in 1965 and yet no compensation has 
been paid. ( Interruptions ). 1 am stating the 
facts.. (Interruptions). 

SHRI DINESH SINGH : How can you 
cast aspersion on the High Court 7 It is very 
unfair. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It has taken 
more than seven yeaTs and still they have 
not been paid compensation. You should 
be ashamed of such courts. 



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Oral Answers 30 


SIJRI PILOO MODY: Government 
could have paid compensation suo motu t 
Why did they not do it ? 

MR SPEAKER: It would be much bett- 
er if Shri Khadilkar leaves aside all comm- 
ents and is concise in his answers. He can 
easily say that it is pending for a long time. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: Under the 
Workmen's Compensation Act, the implem- 
entation rests with the States. Certain adva- 
nces were made from the Prime Minister’s 
Relief Fund and other funds. They were 
very meagre because it was such a big 
disaster. 

MR. SPEAKER 1 May I request him to 
give brief concise replies instead o r long 
replies because longer replies lead to comp- 
lication ? 

SHRI A. K. SEN : It could not have 
gone to the court unless the Government 
resisted the claim for compensation. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR; Now a 
stage has been reached where perhaps the 
case will be finaliscJ soon. 

MR. SPEAKER. I am sorry, the question 
hour is now ovei . 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Sir, I thou- 
ght you would make an observation about 
it. It is a scandalous thing. Eleven years 
have passed. 

MR SPEAKER: The Minister has alre- 
ady made it. 

SHRI A. P. SHARMA: The Minister 
has said that the case has reached a stage 
where it would be finalised. What is the 
stage now ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This is 
another glaring instance which shows the 
class character of the government. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : In v ew of the 
delay in arriving at a decision by the High 
Court and in view also of the fact that no 
compensation has been paid so far, would 
the government make tome cx gratia 
payment ? 


SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR: This is a 
suggestion. 

Short Notice Question 

Death of Shri Charu Mazumdar in 
Police Custody in West Bengal 

S. N. Q. 2. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleaed to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention 
has been drawn to the countr -wide appre- 
hension over the recent death in police 
custody in West Bengal of Shri Charu Mazu- 
mdar, chairman of the Communist Party 
of India (Marxist-Lemnist); 

(b) whether medical and other relevant 
reports regarding the death of this all-India 
political personality have been aiequately 
examined: and 

(c) whether Government are in a posi- 
tion to allay all apprehensions in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) and (c). According to 
the information furnished by the State 
Government so far. Shri Chaiu Mazumdar 
was arrested by the Calcutta police in the 
early hours of 16th July, at Calcutta. On 
being taken to the Calcutta police head- 
quarters he was examined, among others, 
by an eminent heart specialist. An E.C G. 
was arranged and all possible medical care 
was made availab’e On being remanded 
to police custody, he continued to be under 
constant medical attention and treatment 
as advised by the heart specialist. Family 
members of Shri Mazumdar were also allo- 
wed to see him when he was in police 
custody. Shri Mazumdar’s condition, how- 
ever, suddenly deteriorated towards the 
afternoon of 27th July. He was again 
examined by the heart specialist and on 
his advice was admitted at 19.30 hours on 
27th July, to the S. S. K. M. Hospital. 
Despite all me iical assistance. Shri Mazu- 
mdar expired at about 4.50 hours on 28th 
July. A four-man panel of physicians* 
including the heart specialist under whose 



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treatment Shri Mazumdaf had remained 
has stated that the death of Shri Mazumdar 
was due to eschaemic heart disease with 
congestive cardiac failure. The death certi- 
ficate of Shri Mazumdar was duly signed 
by the four physicians in the panel. Since 
the death occured in police custody, post - 
mortem examination of the dead body was 
made. The viscera has been sent to the 
Forensic Science Laboratory for chemical 
examination. The result is awaited. 
A magisterial inquest is also in progress. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : The 
question relates to the death of a leader of 
a political party and all that we get m 
answer is that a statement is laid on the 
Table. The members would like to hear 
the answer. He is the leader of a respecta- 
ble party. 

MR. SPEAKER : He may ask his 
supplementary. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sir, you 
should please bear with me for a moment. 
Before I ask my supplementary, 1 want to 
make a submission. This is a question 
about the death of the leader of a political 
party of this country and it should be 
answered in a fashion that the hon. Members 
would know. Now, hon. Members do not 
get an opportunity of reading the statement. 

MR SPEAKER : In the case of longer 
replies they are always laid on the Table. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Some- 
times they are read out also. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sir, I 
am a bit intrigued by your concern for time 
being wasted or not wasted. 

In view of the fact that the average 
citizen would be intrigued by the phenome- 
non that the heart of Shn Charu Mazumdar 
which could bear the rigours and tensions 
of underground life and hounding by the 
police of the entire country for more than 
three years was unable to stand the care and 
comforts provided by the Government for 
even a fortnight and also, in view of the 
fact that his widow has made a statement 
to the effect that adequate medical treatment 
had not been given to him, that police 
interrogations had continued for very long 


stretches of time to the detriment of his 
heart condition and similar accusations 
have been made in journals published in 
this, country, may I know if it is right for 
the Government to leave this matter to a 
Magisterial inquest, that is to say, an 
executive non-entity investigating the pro- 
ceedings and why does not Government 
agree to some kind of a real investigation 
by a proper person or a High Court Judge 
or something of that sort so that all the 
misapprehensions in the minds of the people 
could be allayed ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : May I, for the 
benefit of those Members, wh> may not 
have read the Statement give a few sentences 
from the statement ? This is the infor- 
mation given to us by the West Bengal 
Government : 

“On being taken to the Calcutta 
police headquarters, he was examined 
among others by an eminent heait spe- 
cialist. An ECG was arranged and ail 
possible medical care was made availa- 
ble. On being remanded to police 
custody, he continued to be under 
constant medical attention and treatment 
as advised by the heart specialist. Family 
members of Shri Mazumdar were also 
allowed to see him when he was m 
police custody Shri Mazumdar's condi- 
tion, however, suddenly .deteriorated 
towards the afternoon of 27th July....’* 

I might say that when he was captured, 
along vith him oxygen cylinders were also 
found and, I understand, he was a chronic 
patient of cardiac asthema. From the 
photographs, you must have seen that he 
was considerably emaciated. 

Further, I read from the statement : 

“He was again examined by the 
heart specialist and on his advice was 
admitted at 19.30 hours on 27th July to 
the S.S.K.M. Hospital....” 

— there he expired — 

“A four-man panel of physicians, 
including the heart specialist under 
whose treatment Shri Mazunfidar had 
remained, has stated that the death of 
Shri Mazumdar was due to eschaemic 



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Oral Answers 34 


1 heart disease with congestive cardiac 
' failure. The death certificate of Shri 
Mazumdar vas duly signed by the four 
physicians in the panel. Since the death 
occurred in police custody, post-mortem 
exam- nation of the dead body was 
made...” 

As Shri Mukerjee said, a magisterial 
inquiry is also in progress. 

So, I hope, my hon. friend will con- 
cede that adequate medical arrangements 
were made and that all along a heart Spe- 
cialist was also looking after him and his 
advice was being followed. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : What- 
ever one might think of the Minister’s 
statement, since very large number of deaths 
inside jail, whether by point blank shooting 
down or otherwise, in recent years, have 
taken place, can the Government assure 
that in every such case of death, including 
that of Shri Charu Mazumdar, post-mortem 
reports properly made would be made avail- 
able and that a full medical report regarding 
Shri Charu Mazumdar’s death in particular 
would be made public in view of the magis- 
tral inquest at least which has been 
announced ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT ; The death report, 
a* I have already said, has been signed by 
four physicians. The inquest is on. The 
findings of the inquest will be public. They 
will be going into the report of the forensic 
laboratory and the Post-mortem examina- 
tion etc. I do not know procedurally 
what exactly is made public by the magi- 
strate or what is not made public. But 
all the procedures laid down will be follo- 
wed. I for one do not find any rtason at 
all in this to occasion any doubt about the 
probity of any of the persons involved, Mr. 
Mukerjee said, some one of probity should 
look into it. 1 have no reason to question 
the probity of either the physician or the 
magistrate in this case. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The hon. 
Minister has just now said that from the 
time of arrest, all along a heart specialist 
had been attending on late Charu Mazum- 
dar. If I remember aright, the Commission- 
er of Police, Calcutta, had said very 
categorically that Mr. Charu Mazumdar 


was in good health at that moment. How 
does it sound that a heart speciatist was 
attending on a man who had been maintai- 
ning good health as certified by the Head of 
the Calcutta Police, namely, the Commissi* 
oner of police ? uill the hon. Minister 
kindly cUrify this point ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I do not know 
about the statement of the Commissioner 
of Police. But I do know that the inform- 
ation given to us by the State Government 
is that Shri Charu Mazumdar was arrested 
by the Calcutta police in the early hours of 
16th July at Calcutta. On being taken to 
the Calcutta Police headquarters, he was 
examined among others by an eminent 
heart specialist. This is the information with 
me on which I have made the statement 
1 have myself stud on the basis of the in- 
formation with me that he was a chronic, 
cardiac-asthma ^patient. His heart might 
have been all right when he was arrested, 
obviously was good enough at that stage, 
but then there was a sudden deterioration 
on a certain date. All those fact I have 
given; I can not give any moie. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The 
Minister is mentioning about the facts at 
his disposal. We are interested in know- 
ing the correct facts and not cooked-up 
facts that are often brought before the 
House. Will he please collect fuller details 
on this and hv them on the Table of the 
House, if there is no skeleton in the cup- 
board ? 

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : The 
M nister has said that Mr. Charu Mazumdar 
was a cardiac-asthma parent. When he 
was anested, pathadrme and oxygen cylind- 
ers were found with him. He was, imme- 
diately after the arrest, examined by a 
heart specialist. It is also on record that 
he was subjected to constant interrogation 
by one Minister in charge of Calcutta Police 
and also subsequently . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Minister 
of State. 

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : Mini- 
ster of State is also a Ministir. ( Interrup- 
tion ) i It is not a laughing matter. It is a 
very serious matter and this thing is being 
widely commented by the Press, by the 



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Oral Answers 36 


public and not by the people who were all 
admirers of Mr. Charu Mazumdar. But 
there is something called justice, Mr. 
Charu Mazumdar was not found to be 
convicted of any crime as y$t. Anyway it 
is on record that he was subjected to in- 
terrogation, and it has been alleged that he 
was subjected to 17. hours of continuous 
interrogation. Before this interrogation 
took p’nce this grilling third degree method 
on a cardiac-asthma patient was the advice 
of a caidiac specialist and other doctors 
who attended on him obtained before Mr. 
Charu Mazumdar was subjected to this soit 
of inhuman interrogation ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I shall again repeat 
because my hon. friend put some words in 
my mouth. According to him, I said, 
‘Atonce a heart specialist examined . . 

I did not say ‘once’. I can only say what 
has been given here : ‘On being taken to 
the Calcutta Police Head-quarters he was 
examined among others by an eminent 
heart specialist.' . . . 

SHRI PILOO MODY : ‘On being 
taken . . 

SHRI K. C. PANT : But the inform- 
ation that I heard said that right from 
the time he was arrested, he was given 
proper medical attention. So, I cannot 
exactly pinpoint when the heart specialist 
examined him. 

Secondly, the question of twelve hours 
continuous interrogation has been raised by 
my friend. It has been stated here by the 
West Bengal Government that because of 
his poor health, Shn Charu Mazumdar’s 
interrogation was carried out only in 
brief spells. So. this does not bear out 
what he says. 

SHRI PILOO MODY Three spells of 
twelve hours. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
There are three veiy material points which 
arise in this context and need clarification 
from the hon. Minister. 

Now, what are exactly the reasons for 
a Minister of State interviewing Charu 
Mazumdar in the Police custody ? Is it a 
practice for a Minister to interview a person 
in the Police custody ? 


Secondly, what were the findings of 
this eminent heart specialist after his exami- 
nation ? 

Thirdly, a point arises out of what the 
hon. Minister has said namely that an 
inquest is under way. What are the precise 
points for the inquest ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : As to why the 
Minister of State interviewed. Mr. Charu 
MaZumdar, I cannot answer... 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
Why ? Is it the practice ? 

SHRI K C. PANT : Obviously I 
cannot It is for the State Government. He 
is not our Minister. Shri Manoharan will 
be veiy angry if I choose to answer for one 
of the Tamil Nadu Ministers here ( Interrup- 
tions ) 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Your 
Central Ministers can go to Tamil Nadu 
and meddle with the whole matter ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I am happy about 
it. 

SHRI TR1DIB CHAUDHURI : On a 
point of order. It has become the practice 
of thf Treasury Benches whenever a question 
pertaining to States or law and order comes 
up, to take shelter behind the DMK.. That 
is very unfair. You have admitted the 
question and this question is being answe- 
red. He is answering the quession. So, why 
should he give this sort of answers ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : Why not ? I do 
not understand the objection ..(Interruptions) 

SHRI PILOO MODY : If the minister 
sits down, 1 can explain the objection to 
him. 

SHRI ft. C PANT : I do not see what 
fairness or unfairness there is in this. Wc 
do hear protests here if one of our Minis- 
ters chooses to answer for the State Govern- 
ment. There is the emphasis on State 
autonomy So, if I raise this question, how 
is it unfair ? .. ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On a 
point of order, Sir. He has accepted this 



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Oral Answers 38 


question. Now he wants to take shelter 
under DMK. Wonderful, If it is a State 
matter, how was this question allowed to be 
admitted ? I want to ask this question of 
you. Mr. Speaker. If it is a matter which 
involve: the State Government, how is it 
that this question was admitted here ? I 
want to know about that. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : The 
DMK Government directed an inquiry 
whenever such a thing happened in Tamil 
Nadu. Will your Government follow the 
same ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Kindly 
give your observations on what I said. 

MR. SPEAKER : If you think it is a 
wrong thing, then it will not be done in 
future. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Are you 
taking a cue from an odd Member ? 

MR. SPEAKER ■ No please. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : This kind 
of observation that falls from your lips 
that is recorded for posterity. 

MR. SPEAKER : We have accepted it. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Sir, I do 
not want to put any question to Mr. Pant 
because I want to be magnanimous. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I thank Shri 
Manoharan for his magnanimity. So far as 
the findings of the heart specialist arc 
concerned, I do not have the exact findings 
here; certainly we can find out what the heart 
specialist had said But I know that he was 
called on the 27th. He advised that Shri 
Majumdar should be hospitalised and strai- 
ghtway he came towards the evening and 
Shri Majumdar was hospitalised in the 
evening. This fact 1 do have with me. As 
for the inquest the Magistrate did see the 
dead body in the morning and he also exa- 
mined some witnesses. He still wanted 
to examine some more witnesses and only 
after that examination we will be in a posi- 
tion to know fully. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What are the precise points for inquest ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : 1 don’t know the 
precise points, but he was going into the 


circumstances and facts surrounding the 
death to give his findings. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : The death 
occurred on the 27th, July. wG presume 
that on the sarqe day the viscera was sent 
for chemical examination we do not have 
the examination results. This is the callous 
way in wh ch he was treated even after his 
death. In view of the mounting doubts 
expressed regarding the medical treatment 
meted out to him and regarding his death, 

I want to know whether Government is in a 
position to accept a judicial inquiry into 
the whole matter. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : He died on the 
28th at 4-50 P M and not on 27th. I wish 
to correct him there. So far as the report 
of the Forensic Science Laboratory is conce- 
rned, I myself was sui prised that the report 
had not come \ asked my office to ring up 
West Bengal Government and they got in 
touch with the West. Bengal Govt and they 
told them that there were certain tests which 
take long time. Only this morning we 
had got in touch with them. I agree with my 
friend; it looks as if they have taken a long 
time. Snfar as the next question is concerned, 
about the judicial inquiry, my answer is, no. 

SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE : Charu 
Ma7Aimdar very successfully eluded arrest 
for three years and it was known that he 
was to tour the country for organisational 
work of his party. It was also 
known and it was common news that m 
Calcutta this Naxalite movement was losing 
its ferocity and its depth. How is it that 
just before death Charu Mazumdar arrived 
there in Calcutta and got himself arrested 9 
Was it done under advice from any foreign 
country, or was it a planned way of being 
arrested, just before diath, for political 
purpose 7 

SHRI S. A SHAMIM ■ There must be 
a judicial inquiry The State Government 
is a parly to the i<sue. You are basing your 
opinion on the statements and facts given 
by the State Government. The facts or the 
statements are those that have been supp- 
lied by the accused, which is, the State 
Government in this case. Will the Minister 
agree to an lrquiry, either by Members of 
Parliament or a Judicial Inquiry or even a 
Central Agency Inquiry, ft r that matter, of 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Oral Answers AO 


the CBI, or any other agency* because the 
State Government is the accused party ? 

SHRI ft. C. PANT . I am surprised at 
the statement mide by the hon. Member 
tha t the State Government is the accused 
party. This is completely wrong. 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It is a cons- 
piracy hatched by the State Government. 
The West Bengal Government has got him 
killed. The Minister who visited him ... 

SHRI PILOO MODY : They played 
Nagarwala on him. Who else murdered 
him ? 

SHRI S.A. SHAMIM It is a case of 
a mysterious death. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: We differ 
from the political \iews of Shri Charu 
Mazumdar but as he was honest to his own 
conviction, his death has created a scare in 
the country. It appears to us that the hon. 
Minister is not posted with all the informa- 
tion from the Government of West Bengal. 
I want to know from Government one 
thing. If the hon. Minister is posted with 
the facts, he can reply here and now; other- 
wise, he may supply the information as 
early as possible after finding out the facts. 
I want to know whether Shri Charu Mazum- 
dar was in police custody for eleven days 
before his death. During these 11 days, may 
I know whether he was at the police head- 
quarters at Lai Bazar or he was taken to 
jail custody ? Further, during those 11 days, 
for how many hours was he subjected to 
interrogation ? Which were the agencies 
that interrogated him ? May I know whether 
before interrogation, medical advice was 
taken on the question whether Shri Charu 
Majumdar’s health wo Jd permit him to be 
able to bear the strain of interrogation ? 
Lastly, may I know whether his wife and 
daughter made any complaint about his 
death to the police. 

SHRI K C. PANT : I have already 
ir.d cnted that he was taken to Calcutta 
pol'ce headquarters. As regards the question 
how many hours he spent there and how 
many hours he spent in the police lock-up, 
I do not know how material it is to what 
we are discussing now. I do not know the 
purpose of the question in regard to the 


time spent in either place. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon. 
Minister has said that he does not know the 
purpose of the question .. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : An attempt is 
being made to raise suspicion over a matter 
on which factually there is no ground for 
suspicion. 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Suspicion is 
already there. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : Some people are 
congenitally suspicious. 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Because the 
entire Government’s functioning ma.ves us 
suspicious. Their conduct makes us sus- 
picious. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : The material 
point is whether he had adequate medical 
aid, and whether he was being looked after 
by doctors. I have been told that besides 
periodical examinations by heart specialists, 
he was also being examined by the police 
doctor. Somebody had asked for the name 
of the heart specialist who attended on him. 
Dr, Chandtkar is his name, and as regards 
the hospital, I havea Iready mentioned that 
it is the SSKM hospital. Apart from that, 
Shri Charu Mazumdar was also being exami- 
ned by the police doctor. Therefore, that is 
the material point. Therefore, there is no 
question of his not having been under 
medical care. He was a heart patient. That 
is the information. He was a chronic heart 
patient. Therefore, the police doctors did 
take the precaution of examining him 
frequently. So, why should there be objec- 
tion to that ? 

So far as his wife and daughter are 
concerred, 1 did indicate in my reply that 
his w;fe and daughter met him. As far as 
my knowledge goes, they have not made 
any complaint, that is, the West Bengal 
Government have not communicated any 
complaint by them to me. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : May I make 
a submission to you ? I had asked a question 
whether the hon. Minister had any informa- 
tion on the point regarding the number of 
hours for which he was subjected to interro- 



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Written Answers 42 


gation, and whether before interrogation, 
medical advice was taken about whether he 
would be able to bear the strain of the 
interrogation/ If the hon. Minister has got 
the information, he may tell us, or else he 
can supply it at a later date. He has not 
replied to this very relevent question. 

SHRl K. C. PANT : I do not know 
what the doctor told the people there after 
each examination. The very fact that he 
was under examination by a heart specialist 
and that he was also being examined thrice 
daily by the police doctor obviously shows 
how much care the Government there was 
taking to see that he was given proper 
medical care. That is the point. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY I 
want a confirmation from Government .. 

MR. SPEAKER No confirmation, 
only a question. 

SHRl M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : Has 
any leader from Kashmir, including Sheikh 
Abdullah, died in our custody ? (Inter- 
ruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER: l have already allo- 
wed too many questions on this. I am 
passing on to the next item. 

SHRl PILOO MODY : I have asked 
only one question this whole session. 

MR. SPEAKER : Yes. 

SHRl PILOO MODY : I do not 
understand this questioning and answering 
procedure which tries to evade the relevant 
point. It has been admitted by the Minister 
that Shri Mazumdar was an ill man, suffer- 
ing from a very chronic disease called cardiac 
asthma. Under the circumstances, it was 
asked of the Minister how many hours of 
police grilling and interrogation did he have. 
This is very material to find out, because in 
spite of the fact that thev knew his medical 
condition, he was being interrogated not 
only bV Ministers but by policemen. And 
what methods were used, nobody knows. The 
Minister ask*, how is it relevant to the 
question ? This is the only relevant thing 
whether they killed him by interrogation 
(Interruption), 


MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. No such 
remarks should be made. 

SHRI K.C. PANT : I have never said 
whether it was relevant or not. I had only 
given the relevant facts in answer to the 
question about interrogation. My informa- 
tion is that the interrogation was being 
carried out only in brief spells because of 
his weak and poor health. Thrice a day 
doctors were seeing him. There was a heart 
specialist who was attending on him when- 
ever required. Therefore, the presumption is 
that all those people must have taken the 
precaution. I do not exactly know what the 
specialist said; nor do I know exactly what 
the doctors said. The facts speak for them- 
selves. This is the submission I make. 

SHRI R. V. BADE : As soon as Shri 
Mazumdar wasjarrested by the police, he 
must have been produced before the Magis- 
trate and the Magistrate must have remanded 
him to police or judicial custody. Was he 
examined at that very time by the judiciary 
or the Magistra e ? 

SHRI K.C. PANT : Being a lawyer, my 
hon friend knows the piocedure. So he 
knows that he was remanded to police 
custody. 

SHRI R.V. BADE : He must have been 
examined by the Magistrate. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : Yes. The Magistrate 
did remand him. He knows the procedure. 
I had said in the blginning — he would have 
known if he had listened to me carefully — 
that on being remanded to police custody, 
he continued to be under constant medical 
attention and treatment, as advised by the 
heart specialist. 


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45 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAK4) 


Wrlten Answers 46 


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Supply of Tin Plates to Tin Can 
Manufacturing Units 

*249. SHRIK. SURY \NARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be p'eased to state : 

(a) the names of firms which have 
been granted C. O. B. licences for fabri- 
cating Tin containers for captive use with 
a manufacturing capacity of 1000 tonnes 
per annum and above during the current 
year (upto 30th June, 1972) ; and 

(b) whether any guidelines have been 
down for the supply of tin plates to these 
tin can-manufacturing units ? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) ■ (a) During the current 
year (up to 30th June, 1972) only two 
C.O.B. (Carry on Business) licences for 
the fabrication of tin containers we’t issued 
to the Vanaspati Manufactuiers for their 
captive use. The names of the firms are 
as under : — 

(0 M/s. Premier Vegetable Products 
Lid , Jaipur. 

(ii) M/s. Bhavnagar Vegetable Pro- 
ducts Limited, Bhavnagar (Gujarat). 

(b) No guidelines have been laid down 
by Government for the supply of Tinplates 
to different units. The distribution of 
Tinplates is looked after by the Tinplate 
Producers* Consultative Committee. 

Reconvening of Geneva Type 
Conference on Vietnam 

*252. SHRI H. M. PATEL: Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the British Government 
one of the Co-Chairmen of the Geneva 
Conference on Vietnam, recently suggested 
the reconvening of the Geneva type con- 
ference m f 


(b) the reaction of the Soviet Union 
the other Co-Chairmen of the Geneva 
Conference in regard to the British 
suggestion; and 

(c) the reaction of Government to the 
British suggestion and whether there have 
been initiatives fiom India for solving the 
Vietnam problem ? 

THF MINISTER OF EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): (a) to 
(c). According to the information revealed 
in the House of Commons, the British 
Government had made such a proposal to the 
Soviet Union but the Soviet Union reportedly 
did not agree with it. This is a matter 
between the two Co-Chairmen and the 
Government of India feels that there should 
be agreement between them and Geneva 
Conference members before any progress 
can be made. Also it is Government of 
India’s view that fighting must stop in 
Vietnam first and a ceasefire arranged 
before any such conference could be held. 

German Technicians in Rourkcla 
Steel Plant 

*253. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOH- 
APATRA : Will the Mimsier of STEEL 
AND MINES be pleased to state the time 
by which the German technicians working 
in Rourkela Steel Plant are expected to 
leave the Plant ? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) : There are at pressent 10 
German technicians at Rourkela Steel Plant. 
The contracts of these Un individuals will 
expire during the period September, 1972 — 

January 1973. 

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47 Written Answers 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 45 


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Industrial Accidents 

*256. SHRI FATE SINGH RAO 
GAEKWAD: 

DR. KARNl SINGH: 

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the incidence of industrial 
accidents in the country has of late risen 
considerably; 

(b) if so, the total number of industrial 
mishaps during the last three years and how 
many of them proved fatal; 

(c) the total loss in terms of money and 
the total number of man-days lost as a 


result of industrial accidents during the 
above period; and 

(d) the steps proposed to be taken to 
improve the safety regulations ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- 
KAR): (a) lo (c). A statement is laid on the 
Table of the Sabha. The information regar- 
ding total loss in terms of money is not 
available. 

(d) The Safety requirements laid down 
in the State Factories Rules framed under 
the Factories Act, 1948 and Regulations 
framed under the Mines Act, 1952 are cons- 
tantly reviewed, enlarged and improved upon 
wherever considered nccessarry. 



49 Written Answeri 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers SO 


Statement 


No. of accidents and man-days lost in factories covered by the Factories Act, 1948 


Year 

Fatal 

Non-fatal 

Total 

No. of man-days lost 
on account of non-fatal 
accidents 

1968 

565 

2,26,893 


2,27,458 

25,90,854 

1969 

618 

2,61,997 


2,62,615 

29,87,587 

1970 

(Pro- 

visional) 

609 

2,87,496 


2,88,105 

28,94,914 

No. of accidents and man-days lost in mines covered by the Mines Act, 1952 



No. of accidents 

No. of 

persons 

Man days lost on account 



Fatal 

Serious 

Killed 

Seriously 

injured 

of Serious Injuries 
Estimated 

1969 

Coal 

211 

1,650 

232 

1,717 

97,869 


Non-coal 

78 

861 

89 

886 

49,616 

1970 

Coal 

194 

1,577 

212 

1,625 

68,250 


Non-coal 

58 

786 

66 

799 

42,347 

1971 

Coal 

199 

1,451 

231 

1,535 

79,820 


Non-coal 

65 

7S9 

73 

813 

39,837 


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Stoppage of Steel quota for 

Agriculture Ministry 

•258. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : 

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether his Ministry K as stopped th^ 
steel quota of the Agncirtture Ministry for 
the last one year which was being supplied 
for the la&t 25 years ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) whether there are any prospects of 
restoring the supplies of steel to Agriculture 
Ministry? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM)- (a) The system of allocation 
of “quotas” was given up when the Steel 
Distribution policy was revised in May 1970. 
All despatches from the Main Producers are 
now regulated in accordance with the 
Priority allocations decided every quarter 
by the Steel Priority Committee. The Prio- 
rity requisitions sponsored by the Agricul- 
ture Ministry are also given due considera- 
tion by the Steel Priority Committee. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

I.L.O. Programme of Research 

•259.SHRI K.BALADHANDAYUTHAM: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 


(a) whether the International Labour 
Conference has finalised a programme of 
research and action to help developing 
countries choose technologies offering the 
best possibilities of balanced economic, 
social and technical progress ; 

(b) whether any such research and action 
programme is to be taken up in India by 
International Labour Organisation; and 

(c) if so, the salient features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. K.HADIL- 
KAR) : (a) to (c). No such programme 
has been finalised by the International 
Labour Conference. It, however, parsed a 
Resolution at its 57th Session (June 1972) 
layingNdown guide-lines for dealing with 
labour and social implications of automa- 
tion and other technological developments 
and requesting the Director General of the 
I L O . inter alia , to provide the developing 
countries at their request with suitable 
technical and research assistance to ensure 
positive results of the introduction of tach- 
nolog. cal innovation The Resolution has 
not been formally received by the Govern- 
ment of Ind a nor has it been examined yet 
b' the Government 

Workers Problems regarding settlement of 
claims and grant of Loans 

•260 SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the poor workers and 
subscribers are faced with the problem of 
settlement of claim or grant of loans be- 
cause of the ignorance regarding the proce- 
dure to fill in the forms; 

(b) whether the desirability of getting 
printed long hand — bills in the form of 
notices regarding the procedure of getting 
claims settled or loans granted and paste 
them on the walls of the factories and 
mines remotely situated as other notes are 
pasted by the other departments under the 
Mines Act and the Factories Act has been 
considered; and 

(c) whether Government will consider 
the issuing of orders to all the Regional 



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Written Answers 54 


Conimissioners to meet the workers every- 
day 'at a fixed time and hear their grievan- 
ces like some Regional Commissioners who 
have already started doing this ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Provident Fund Authorities 
have reported as under : — 

(a) No such complaint has been received 
in this behalf. 

(b) Various forms including those for 
settlement of Provident Fund claims, grant 
of loans are, as a rule, printed bilingually 
in English and in the Regional language. 
It is therefore, not considered necessary to 
get long hand-bills printed in the form of 
notices and pasted on the walls of establish- 
ments. 

(c) Regional Commissioners generally meet 
workers and others who seek interview 
with them in connection with the Provident 
Fund affairs and take suitable action on 
their complaints. It does not appear necess- 
ary to issue separate orders in this behalf. 

Indo-Bangladesh consultations 

2380. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : Will 
Jhe Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
have high level consultations with Bangla- 
desh on issues involving the three nations 
of the sub-continent, and 

(b) if so, by what time a decision on 
the matter is likely to* be taken ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and 
(b). Government is in constant touch with 
the Government of Bangladesh on issues 
common to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. 

Chief Engineer of a Public Under- 
taking in Rajasthan caught Red- 
Handed 

2381*. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR 
SINGH : 

SHRI HARI SINGH : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 


(a) whether the Central Bureau of 
Investigation have recently caught red han- 
ded a Chief Engineer of a Public Underta- 
king in Rajasthan for allegedly accepting 
a Graft of Rs. 5000/— from a Calcutta firm 
in a posh hotel of New Delhi; 

(b) if so, the names and other details 
of the persons taking and giving graft and 
the firms to which these persons belonged; 
and 

(c) the action proposed to be taken 
by Government to punish the persons 
involved ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). 
Yes, Sir. The Central Bureau of Investiga- 
tion received a complaint from a represent- 
ative of M/s Damodar Enterprises Ltd., 
Calcutta alleging that Shri Jacob C. Korah, 
Chief Engineer (Civil), Khe*ri Copper 
Project, was demanding a sum of Rs.5000 /- 
for having shown favours in restoring the 
contract as well as for acceptance of future 
supplies to be made by the firm without 
any objection. Accordingly, the C. B, I. 
laid a trap and caught the official concerned 
red handed while accepting the bribe from 
the complainant at Akbar Hotel, New Delhi 
on 16.6.72. 

(c) The case is under investigation by 
the Central Bureau of Investigation and 
appropriate action will be taken on receipt 
of their report. 

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Survey for Semi-Precious Stones 
in Trivandrum * 

2386. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware 
that in aU over Trivandrum District there 
are reported occurence of Semi-Precious 
stones and Private parties are working round 
the clock to extract them for the last five 
years; 

(b) whether any investigation has been 
mgde jon this by the Geological Survey of 
India; and 

(c) if SO, the mam features thereof 
and the steps taken to exploit these 
resources ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). The 
sporadic occurrences of semi-precious stone 
namely chrysoberyl in parts of Nedumangad 
taluk in Trivandrum disrict have been 
known to Government. Government of 
Kerala are aware of attempts of illicit 
mining of previous stones in the area and 
have also taken action against persons 
engaged in illicit mining. 

(tO and (cL Investigation for gem 
quality chrysoberyl was taken up by Geolo- 
gical Survey of India in parts Quilon and 


Trivandrum districts during the field seasons 
1962-63, 1964-65 and 1969-70. The investi- 
gation has revealed that the chrysoberyl. 
appears to be accessory mineral in the 
pegmatites traversing the chrystalline rock 
and as detrital mineral in pebble beds and 
gravels. These investigations indicate that 
large scale exploitation of these stones in 
the area may not be economically viable. 

Defective functioning of Kerala Circle 
of geological Survey of India 

2387. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to stale : 

(a, whether Government have received 
any representation regarding the defective 
functioning of the Kerala Circle of the 
Geological Survey of India; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken to streamline 
the administrative set up of this institution 
in Kerala ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). Yes, 
Sir. A representation has been received 
recently. 

(b) The matter is under examination. 

Bihari and Non-Bihari feelings among 
workers of Hindustan Copper 
Limited 

2388. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the officers of Hindustan 
Copper Limited at Mohubhandar, Ghat- 
sila, Bihar are indulging in local politics 
and creating the feelings of Bihari and 
non -Bihari amongst the workers ; and 

(b) if so, the action Government propose 
to take in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a). No 
Sir. 


(b) Does not arise. 



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Mining of Bauxite at Nileshwar (Kerala) 

2389. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN KAD- 
ANNAPPALLI: Will the Minister of STEEL 
AND MINES be pleased to state the stage 
at which the investigation of mining Bauxite 
at Nileshwar in Cannanore District, Kerala 
State stands now 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): Exploration for 
bauxite in 4 blocks at Nileswar in Cinna- 
nore district of Kerala is in progress since 
October, 1970. Probable reserves of 1.76 
million tonnes of Bauxite with 40 to 60% 
alumina content has tentatively been estimat- 
ed in Block I where detailed drilling has 
been completed. Pitting for confirmation of 
drilling date is in progress. Detailed invest- 
gation by drilling in Block II is in p ogress 
and Bauxite horizon up to 6 35 metres thick- 
ness has been intersected in 23 boreholes. 
Preliminary test drilling in Blocks III and 
IV has been competed and follow up 
work is in progress 

Mercury deposits in Kerala 

2390. SHRI RAM\CHANDRAN 
KAD NNNAPALLJI . Will the Minister of 
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have received 
the report of the Geological Survey of India 
regarding the investigation of the mercury 
dpeosits in Badagara in Kerala; and 

(b) if so, the stage at which the investi- 
gation is progressing ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHANAWAZ KHAN) : a) and (b). Pre- 
liminary investigation by Geological Survey 
of India for mercury near Badagara has been 
completed. The investigation has not reveal- 
ed the presence of any promising zone in 
this area. The Report is under preparation. 

-Unemployed Automobile Engineering 
Diploma Holders 

2391. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA: Will 
the M nister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state: 


(a) the number of unemployed Automo- 
bile Engineering Diploma holders on the 
live register of Employment Exchanges rn 
the country during the last three years, year- 
wise; 

(b) the number of such unemp'oyed 
engineers in Delhi; and 

(c) the steps Government propose to 
take to absorb them ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR): (a) and (b) The number of diploma 
holders in automobile engineering on the 
Live Register as at the end of each year is 
given below: 


Year 

All-India 

Delhi 

1969 

524 

26 

1970 

625 

39 

1971 

716 

40 


(c) In addition to the large number of 
employment opportunities generated as a 
lesultof implementation of various develop- 
ment programmes included in the Fourth 
Five Year Plan, increasing number of job 
opportunities are expected to be created by 
the Special Employment Oriented Schemes 
and Programmes taken up since the year 
1970-71 including programmes for the bene- 
fit of educated persons initiated during the 
year 1971-72. 

In the Union Budget for 1972-73 an 
aggregate provision of Rs. 125 crores has 
been made for Special Welfare Schemes. 
This amount includes a sum of Rs. 60 crores 
for Special Employment Programmes which 
woul$i be for the continuation of the various 
emp’oyment programmes taken up in 1971-72 
and for organising new programmes both in 
rura' and urban areas. These schemes will 
benefit the unemployed including the auto- 
mobt'e engineers in the country as well as 
in the Union Territory of Delhi. 

Contract of expension of Coke Ovens 
at Rourkela Steel Plant 

2392. SHRI SWARAN SINGH SOKHI: 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleaded to state : 



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Written Answers 64 


(a) whether the expansion of half battery 
of coke ovnes at Rourkela Steel Plant has 
been given on contract to a foreign firm, be- 
cause the Central Design Bureau, has failed 
to undertake the job; 

(b) if so, the total amount of the whole 
contract and the foreign exchange involved; 
and 

(c) the amount as penalty the Hindu- 
stan Steel Limited propose to impose on the 
contractor, if they fail to complete the 
construction of the coke oven within the 
stipulated time ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Letter 
of intent for construction of an additional 
half Coke Oven Battery at Rourkela Steel 
Plant has been issued in favour of M/s.Otto 
India Private Ltd. The question of Central 
Engineering and Design Bureau failing to 
undertake this job does not arise as it is 
not intended for undertaking construction 
jobs. 

(b) According to the final quotation, the 
total contract value is Rs. 4.222 crores, 
including a foreign exchange component of 
Rs. 1.307 crores. Negotiations are still 
going on in regard to specifications of the 
fire bricks to be used. The result of these 
may affect the value of the contract. 


(c) M/s. Otto India Private Ltd., have 
accepted Hindustan Steel Limited’s general 
condition of contract regarding penalty for 
late delivery, which prescribes liquidated 
damages of 1% of the contract value for 
each completed month of delay, subject to 
a maximum of 3% of thee on tract value. The 
party is also required to pay penalties fox 
non fulfilment of performance guarantees 
subject to a ceiling of 3% of the total 
contract value. However, the overall ceiling 
on penalities for shortfall in performance 
guarantees and liquidated damages due to 
failure to complete the work in time, will 
be 5% of the total contract value. 

Implementation of Coal Wage Board 
recommendations by Coal Mine 
Owners in Assam, Nagaland 
and Meghalaya 

2394. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the Coal mine owners 
of Assam, Nagaland and Meghalaya who 
have not yet implemented the Coal Wage 
Board Award; and 

(b) the steps taken against them ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRT R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) The names of the Coal mines 
and the owners are as below : — 


SI. No. 

1 . 

2 . 

3. 

4. 

5. 

6 . 

7. 

8 . 


Colliery 

Name of owner 

Tipong Colliery 

M/s. Assam Railways & Trading Co. Ltd., 
Assam. 

Ledo Colliery 

— do — 

Bargalai Colliery 

— do — 

Dilli Colliery 

M/s. Dilli Collieries (Assam) Ltd. 

Koilajan Colliery 

M/s. Koilajan Collieries Ltd., Assam. 

Jeypore Colliery 

Jeypore Collieries (P) Ltd., Assam. 

Thanjinath Colliery 

Shri Ramanand Shah, P.O. Lebang, Shillong. 

Shilwata Colliery 

Shri H.P. Dutta, Dipali House, Shillong. 


(b) The recommendations are not enfor- mentation of the Wage Board recommenda- 
ceable statutorily and implementation is tions by collieries of M/s. Assam Railways 
secured largely through persuasion and and Trading Co. Ltd., Assam has been 
advice. A disputes relating to noo-imple- referred for adjudication. 



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SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answer 66 


Survey of underground Minerals in States 

2395. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether any survey of underground 
minerals has been conducted in Assam, 
Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, Tripura 
and Union Territories of Mizoram and 
Arunachal; 

(b) if so, the particulars thereof, mineral- 
wise and State-wise and Union Territory- 
wise; and 

(c) whether, based on the findings of the 
survey, any plan has been drawn up in this 
connection ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). A 
statement is laid on the Table of the House. 

(c) In Assam, coal and oil aie being 
exploited and a cement factory is being set 
up at Bokajan. In Meghalaya, limestone for 
cement plant at Chcrrapunji and silhmamte 
in Sonapahar arc being exploited Limestone 
investigations are being carried out by the 
Geological Survey of India for the proposed 
cement plant in Manipur. Government of 
Tripura are considering to establish small 
scale glass factory and ceiamic factory in 
the State. 

Statement 

As a result of investigations carried out 
by the Geological Survey of India in Assam, 
Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, Tnpuia 
and Union Territories of Mizoram and 
Aiunachal, the minerals located in these 
States and Union Territories are given 
below : — ' 

Assam 

Coal. Investigations have recorded coal 
at Koilajan (0.6 million tonnes) in United 
North Cachar and Mikii Hills district, at 
Delli-Jeypore (20 million tonnes) and at 
Makum (191 million tonnes) in the districts 
of Lakhimpur and Sibsagar. 

Clay. Deposits of clay have been located in 


Mikir Hills and the reserves have been 
estimated in the order of 6 million tonnes. 

Iron Ore. Estimated reseves of iron ore 
aie of the order of 50 million tonnes jn 
Goalpara district. 

Limestone. Sizable deposits of lime- 
stone have been located at Koilajan,Garam- 
pam, Mcyang Disa, Jorapgaon end Bar 
Harigaon in United Mikir and North Cachar 
Hills district and along the boundary zone 
between Sibsagar and Nowgonj districts. 

Lepidohte Minor occurrence of lepido- 
lite reported from Goalpara district. 

Petroleum . Important oilfields are at 
Digboi, Naharkatiya and Moran in Lakhim- 
pur district. 

» 

Meghalaya 

Coal . The reserves of coal estimated 
are of the order of 422 Million tonnes in 
Garo Hills and 67 million tonnes in Khasi 
and Jaintia Hills. 

Clay. About 100 million tonnes of days 
have been estimated in Garo Hills and 
about 20 million tonnes in Khasi-Jamtia 
Hills 

Copper-lead-zinc. Geological and geo- 
physical work carried out in the Aumpyrtha 
area in United Khasi and Jaintia Hills 
district have revealed a small zone of copper- 
lead-zinc mineralisation of uneconomic 
dimensions. 

Limestone. Fx tensive deposits of good 
quality limestone have been located near 
Therriaghat-Shclla, Cherrapunji and at 
Nongkhalih in United Khasi and Jaintia 
Hills district. 

Sillimanite : Sillimanite is being exploited 
from Sonapahar deposit. 

Glass sand and occurrences of phospha- 
tic nodules have also been located in Khasi 
Hills. 

Manipur 

Limestone. Deposits of limestone have 
been located near Ukhrul, Hungdung, 



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Lambert and at places in Teagnoupal subdi- 
vision, Tfte total reserves of limestone 
occurring at these places have been estimated 
at about 3 million tonnes. Detailed investi- 
gation for limestone is being continued in 
Manipur. 

Occurances of lignite in Jiribum sub* 
division, clays associated with lignite and 
salt spring in Thoubal sub-division, nickel 
and chromite in Moreh have been investi- 
gated. So far the results are not encouraging. 

Nagaland 

Coal. The reserves of coal estimated in 
Naga Hills are of the order of 55 million 
tonnes. 

Tripura 

e 

Clay and glass sand. The principal 
minerals deposits of Tripura are clays and 
glass sand, the estimated reserves of which 
are of the order of 54.000 tonnes and 310,000 
tonnes respectively. 

Minor uneconom'c occurrences of lignite 
and a number of gas seepages were aho 
located. 

Arunachal Pradesh 

Coal. About 91 million tonnes of coal 
have been estimated in Namchik-Namphuk 
coalfield in Tirap district. Coal has also 
been located in parts of Siang and ICameng 
districts. 

Limestone . Reserves of limestone esti- 
mated at Tiding are of the order of 50 
million tonnes. 

Investigations have also located occur- 
rences of clays in Lohit district, Marble in 
Siang district, and lignite in Subansiri 
district, graphite in Lihit district, copper, 
lead and oil seepages in Tirap frontier and 
iron ore and mica in Subansiri district. 

Mizoram 

Geological mapping aud preliminary 
mineral investigation are being carried out 
in parts of Mizoram. 


Godowns of Hindustan Steel Limited 
in Assam 

2396. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the godowns, if any, 
of the Hindustan Steel Limited in Assam; 
and 

(b) the names of the appointed agents, 
if any, of the Hindustan Steel Limited, to 
sell its products in Assam ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Hindu- 
stan Steel Limited have a Branch Sales 
Office-cum-Stockyard in Gauhati. 

(b) Hindustan Steel Limited have not 
appointed any agents to sell their products. 
The materials received in their stockyard at 
Gauhati are sold by them directly. 

Indo-Israeli Relations 

2397. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Mmistei of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken 
any decision regarding the establishment of 
diplomatic relations with Israel; and 

(b) if not, whether there is any possi- 
bility of establishment of diplomatic 
relations with Israel tn the near future ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PaL SINGH) : (a) 
and (b). While Government of India ex- 
tended de jure recognition to Israel in 
September, 1952, no proposal is under 
Government’s consideration for establishing 
diplomatic relations. 

Advertisement for recruitment of Indian 
Doctors for Nigeria 

2398. SHJU CHANDRA SHEKHAR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of 'EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Mid-Western State 
Hospital Management Board of Nigeria had 



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Written Answers 70 


advertised for recruitment of Indian doctors 
In this country’s Newspaper on 25th May, 
19/2; 

(b) if so, the number of Indian doctors 
selected by them, and whether approval of 
his Ministry was made in this regard and 
whether permission for recruitment of Indian 
doctors was taken by the Nigerian Hospital 
Authorities; 

(c) if so, whether the exodus of Indian 
doctors in this manner in large numbers is 
being encouraged by Government and const i 
tutes another bad example of “brain drain” 
and 

(d) the steps Government propose to 
stop this type of “brain drain” by foreign 
hospitals in India ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHR1 SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 
Yes Sir. 

(b) The number of doctors, if an>, 
if any, selected is not known as the recruit- 
ment was being made directly by the 
Nigerian authorities. The Government of 
India’s permission was not sought. 

(c) Government does not encourage a 
large scale exodus of Indian doctors. How- 
ever, it is the Government of India’s policy 
to assist fellow developing countries to the 
extent possible by making available the 
services of Indian experts m various fields, 
including medicine. This is m accordance 
with the basic tenets of cooperation among 
developing countries to which the Govern- 
ment of India subscribes. In this instance 
it seems that similar advertisements for the 
recruitment of doctors appeared simultane- 
ously in India, United Kingdom, Canada 
and, perhaps, also other countries. The 
State Hopsital Management Board, Benin 
City, have apparently not finalised their 
selection and no Indian doctor has been 
recruited so far. Nevertheless, it may be 
noted that under this scheme, doctors will 
serve, for a limited period on a contract at 
the expiry of which they would naturally be 
expected to return to India. 

(d) The Government of India encour- 
ages foreign governments to recruit their 


requirements through the good offices of 
the Government of India with the help of 
the administrative appratus devised for this 
purpose. This helps to keep a check on 
the outflow of our expertise while at the 
same time ensuring the Goverrment’s inte- 
rest in cooperating with the foreign govern- 
ment concerned by rendering assistance. 

Role of United Nations Military 
Observers 1 group In J & K 

2399. SHRI S. A. MURUGA- 

NANTHAM : 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the United Nations 
Military Observers’ Group in Jammu and 
Kashmir has cea ed to have any functional 
role since the f949 ceasefire line no longer 
exists; 

(b) whether under the Simla Agree- 
ment the responsibility of maintaining peace 
along the' line of control of 1971 has been 
assumed by India and Pakistan; and 

(c) whether in the context of these 
developments. Government would demand 
the winding up of the United Nations 
Military Observers’ Group in Jammu and 
Kashmir ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER JN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) Under paragraph 4(ii) of the Simla 
Agreement, India and Pakistan have bilate- 
rally agreed to respect the line of control 
in Jammu and Kashmir which came into 
effect on 17th December, 1971, not to alter 
it unilaterally, and to refrain from the 
threat or the use of force in violation 
of it, 

(c) Govcrtment have made the position 
clear. It is for the U.N. to decide whether 
the U.N. observers should be removed from 
the aiea. 

Briefing of Journalists at Simla 

2400. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 



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Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Secretary, Ministry of 
External Affairs, mvitei selected journalists 
for a d nner briefing at Simla during the 
Summit; 

fb) whether journalists of some impor- 
tant regional and language papers were left 
out; and 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor and the 
names of the journalists invited and those 
excluded, separately ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). It was consrdered desirable 
that the Foreign Secretary should give some 
background information only to some selec- 
ted senior Indian journalists and columnists 
the evening before President Bhutto's arrival 
in Simla. For such a selected briefing 
usually all national newspapers, all national 
news agencies, and some representative and 
important regional and language papers are 
invited. This was done in the present case 
also. Naturallv, not all the regional and 
language papers who had representatives 
covering the Simla Summit could be asked 
because of the numbers involved Such 
briefings are always informal and arranged 
at the last moment. No separate offuial 
list was prepared of the names of journalists. 
All the journalists asked and all those 
excluded cannot at this stage be recalled for 
the reason that no lists were maintained. 

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Compensation to be paid By pakistan 
in respect of Investment on 
Railway lines in Occupied 
Territory 

2402 .SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to slate : 

(a y whether there was any discussion 
with the Pakistan President during the 
Summit talks in Simla for compensation to 
be paid to India for such investment on 
Railway lines made by India in the occup- 
ied territories which were to be returned 
to Pakistan as a result of the agreement; 
and 

(b) if so, the outcome of the discuss- 
ion > 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Indo-Pak Relations with regard to 
trade, commerce and Air Services 

2403. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : 

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY ; 

Will the Minster of EXTERNAL AFF- 
AIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some steps have been taken 
so far after the signing of the Indo— Paki- 
stan agreement at Simla recently to norma- 
lise relations with ragard to trade, comm- 
erce and air services between the two 
countries; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; 

and 

(c) what steps are contemplated to 
establish further cooperation in these sphe- 
res in the near future ? 



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Written Answers 74 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRl SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to 
(c) These and other normalisation measures 
will be taken up when the delegations of 
the two sides meet. The date of such a 
meeting has not yet been fixed. 

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Reduction in DA of Engineering 
Workers in West Bengal 

2405, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 
SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : 

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Engineering industry 
in West Bengal has recently reduced tlie 
amont of Dearness Allowance to be paid 
to the Engineering workers; 


(b) if so. the extent of this cut in 
respect of the workers drawing less then 
Rs. 400 per month and the grounds for 
this D. A. cut 

(c) whether the attention of Govern- 
rrient has been drawn to wide-spread resent- 
ment among the Engineering workers 
against this action of the employers; 
and 

(d) if so, the action, if any. being 
taken in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL 
KAR) : (a) and (b). Information is not 
available; 

(c) and (d). The State Government is 
the “Appropriaie Government*’ in respect 
of industrial delation in the Engineering 
industry and it would be for them to take 
action in the matter. 

Discussion Regarding Amenities 
to Indian POWs in Pakis. 
tan at Simla 

2406. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : 

SHRI VEKARIA: 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIR be pleased to state whether ques- 
tion of amenities to the Indian Prisoners of 
War was also taken up during the Simla 
Summit ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OE EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : while 
the question of amenities to Indian Prisoners 
of War was not raised during the Summit 
talks t at Simla, Government have constantly 
pursued this matter through the Interna- 
tional Committee of the Red cross which 
performs the humanitarian functions under 
the Geneva Conventions relating to pri- 
soners of war. 

Purchase of Ammonium Sulphate 
at High Price 

2407. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased to 
state : 



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(a) whether last yetr purchases of 
Ammonium Sulphate weft made at very 
high prices causing loss to the Government 
to the tune of several lakhs of rupees; 

(b) whether the European suppliers 
sold Ammonium Sulphate to the Middle- 
Eastern countries at a price which was 
much lower than the price at which they 
sold to India and if so, the reasons therefor; 
and 

(c) the price paid by India and that 
paid by the Middle Eastern countries and 
whether Government have made any investi- 
gation into this matter and fixed the responsi- 
bility for the loss caused to the Nation ? 

THE M1N1STFR OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D. R. CHAVAN) : (a). The prices of ferti- 
lisers fluctuate from time to time depending 
upon the availability and 'the compelling 
demands at a particular point of time 
Ammonium Sulphate was purchased last 
year at the prices prevailing at that time 
after negotiations. 

(b) and (c). The price paid by India 
varied from $ 13 25 to $ 14.80 per Metnc 
Tonne f o. b. for the purchases made 
during the period from August 1971 to 
December 1971. No official confirmation 
fa .available regarding the actual price 
ftportedly paid earlier that year hy a Middle 
Eastern Country, 

Resumption of Telephone and 
Postal Facilities with 
Pakistan under Simla 
Agreement 

2408 SHRI M. S SANJEFVI RAO : 
SHRI E. V. V1KHE PAT1L : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the arrangements have been 
flnallised to resume the telephone and 
postal facilities envisaged under the Simla 
Agreement! 

(b) if so, the nature thereof; and 

(c) when this arrangement will be 
given effect to ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to 

(c). The arrangements will be worked out 
when delegations of the two countries 
meet, as envisaged in the Simla Agreement, 
A date for this meeting has not yet been 
fixed. 

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Loss incurred hy Gujarat Mineral 
Development Corporation 

2410 * SHRI PRABIM DAS PATEL : 
will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Gujarat Mineral Develoment 
Corpoiation incurred a Joss of Rs. 13, 
76,000 during 1970-71 as against Rs. 44,82,000 
during the previous year; 

(b) if so the reasons theicfor, and 

(c) whether the Corporation h?d to 
revise the cost of the beneficiator plant from 
Rs . 2.1 crorcs in 1966 to Rs, 4.8 crores in 
1969 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STFEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) to (c). The 
information is being collected from the 
Government of the Gujarat as the Corpora- 
tion is a State Government Undertaking and 
will be laid on the Table of the House when 
iceeived. 



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Ratification of siula Agreement 
By Pakistan 

2411. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: 

SHRI M S. SIVASAMY : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF- 
AIRS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government had received 
on the 18th July, 1972 some papers of rati- 
fication from Pakistan of the simla Agree- 
ment through Swiss Ambassador; and 

(b) if so, the nature thereof and the 
reaction of the Government thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and 
(b). On 18th July 1972 Government received 
through the Swiss Ambassador in New 
Delhi, Pakistan’s Instrument of Ratification 
of the Simla Agreement. 

India’s Instrument of Ratification, duly 
signed by the President, was forwarded, 
to the Government of Pakistan through 
Swiss diplomatic channels on August 4, 1972. 

State Government Response to National 
Arbitration Promotion Board’s 
Proposal on Arbitration 

2412. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the 
Minister of 1ABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the State Governments have 
examined the proposal of National Arbitra- 
tion Board to resolve Industrial Disputes 
throdgh arbitration; and 

(b) if so, the response from the States ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADI- 
LKAR) : (a) and (b). The proceedings of the 
fifth meeting of the National Arbitration 
Promotion Board containing conclusions of 
the meeting, including the proposal to reso- 
lve iudustrial disputes through arbitration, 
were circulated to the State Gonernments 
and Union Territory Administrations on 
July 25, 1972 for their information and 
necessary action. None of the State Govern- 
ments/Union Territory Administrations has 
so far conveyed its decision in the matter. 


Indus water for Kutch 

2415. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPU- 
RKAR : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to stase : 

(a) whether there has been talks 
between the Prime Minister of India and 
the President of Pakistan regarding the 
question of making available part of the 
Indus waters to Kutch; and 

(b) if so, the nature threof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No. 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Expansion of Private Sector Alumi- 
nium Plants 

2416. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the private sector alumini- 
um plants have asked for permission to 
expand their production; 

(b) if so, the particulars of the expan- 
sion programme submitted by private 
sector aluminium plants; and 

(c) the decision taken thereon ? . 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c). No 
new application for permission to expand 
their existing capacity for production of 
aluminium has been received from the 
private sector companies. However, the 
letter of intent issued to the Indian Alumi- 
nium Company in December, 1966 for 
expansion of their Belgaum Smelter from 
40,000 to 60,000 tonnes per annum may be 
converted into a regular industrial licence. 

Ko>na Aluminium Project 

2417. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be plea- 
sed to state : 



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(a) whether the KtJiyna Aluminuim 
Project is likely to run into hea\y losses 
when it reaches full production because of 
bad planning and high cost of transporting 

'raw materials from long distance; 

(b) whether expert* have suggested 
that it would be more economical to delay 
the project and to change its present locat- 
ion rather than continue the plans and 
incur recumrg heavy losses every year; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). The report of the Commi- 
tree set up for examination of the transpor- 
tation problems of the project is awaited. 

Projected demand for Aluminium 

2418. DR. RANEN SEN : W.1J the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be plea- 
sed to state ; 

(a) the projected demand for rlupiimm 
in the next five years; and 

(b) how Government propose to meet 
this demand ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The 
estimated demand for Aluminium during 
the next five years is given below : — 


Year 

Estimated demand 
in thousand tonnes 

1973-74 

274 

1974-75 

301 

1975-76 

332 

1976-77 

365 

1977-78 

401 


(b) The present capacity for production 
of aluminium in the country in 178,850 
tonnes per annum. Additional capacity to 
the extent of 251,000 tonnes per annum 
has been licensed/approved which will, 


when installed, be sufficient to meet the 
above demand. 

Participation of Labour in Manage* 
ment for Raising Production 

2419. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleasedto state . 

(a) whether participation of labour in 
management has been accepted as one of 
the formost reasons for raising the produ- 
ctions in the country; 

(b) if so, wl ether such recommenda- 
tions have been sent to all the Ministries 
under Central Government and the State 
Governments, and 

(c) if so. their reactions thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K K1IADIL- 
KAR) : (a) to (c). Apart from the statutory 
woiks committee, the scheme of Joint 
Management Councils has been in opera- 
t’on on a voluntary basis both in public 
and private sector undertakings The Central 
Government have also decided to introduce 
a scheme for the appointment of a workers 
representative on the Boards of Manage- 
ment of seme appropriate public sector 
underfak ngs. The Nationalised Banks 
(Management and Miscellaneous Provission) 
Scheme, 1970 framed under the Banking 
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer of 
Undertakings) Act, 1970 inter-alia , provides 
for the appointment of ore Di lector from 
among the employees of the Nationalised 
Bank who are workmen on the Board of 
Directors. A scheme for the workers to 
hold some shares in suitable central public 
sector undertaking is also undei consider- 
tion of the Government. The State Govern- 
ments and Ministries are aware of these 
schemes. 

National Council of Trade Unions 
on Industrial Relations 

2420. SHRI GIR1DHAR GOMANGO: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to stale. 

(a) whether the National Council of 
Central Trade Unions, consisting three 



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Central Trade Unions bodies were studying 
areas of cooperation; and 

(b) if so, whether they have submitted 
their views on the Ministry of Labour and 
Rehabilitation’s scheme to the Industrial 
Relations Law to be introduced in the 
present session 7 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- 
DILfCAR) : (a). The National Council of 
Trade Unions has been formed with the 
main object of promoting understanding, 
cooperation and coordination in the activi- 
ties of trade unions; 

(b) The views expressed by Trade 
Union Centres and others will be taken in- 
to account in framing a Law on industrial 
relations, which is expected to be intro- 
duced in the next Session of Parliament. 

Indo-South Korean Talks Regarding 
Reunification of Korea 

2421. SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE : 
SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleas d to state . 

(a) whether the Consul-General of 
South Korea in New Delhi had recently 
held talks with the officials of his Ministry; 

(b) whether the Consul-General had 
lasied the issue of Korean reunification and 
the talks held between the representatives 
of the Korea in this respect; and 

(c) if so, the outcome of talks ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) ; (a). 
No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Use of Toxic Chemicals By U. S. A. 
in Vietnam 

2422. SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE: 

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH . 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF- 
AIRS be pleased to state; 


(a) whether toxic chemicals are being 
used by American Forces in South Vietnam 
in the war against the National Liberation 
Forces; 

(b) whether this fact has been brought 
to the notice of the United Nations and the 
member countries by the International Cont- 
rol Commission for Vietnam; and 

(c) if so, what action is being taken by 
the United Nations to put a stope to use 
of poisonous chemicals by the United States 
in Vietnam ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Gove- 
rnment have seen reports about the use of 
chemical weapons by the USA in Vietnam. 

% 

(b) No, Sir, The International Control 
Commission does not come under the U. N. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Employees State Insurance Hospitals 
In Tamil Nadu 

2123. SHRI S. A. MURUGANA- 
NTHAM, Will the Minister of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the number of Employees’ State Ins- 
urance Hospitals in Tamil Nadu at present; 

(b) how many of them arc being run in 
rented buildings and the total monthly rent 
paid to the owners of these buildings; and 

(c) the number of hospitals proposed to 
be opened m the State in the next thiee 
years ,? 

THE Ml ISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIl • 
KAR) : The Employees’ State Insu ance 
Corporation has furnished the following 
information : 

(a) There are three Employees’ State 
Insurance Hospitals and five Employees* 
S'ate Insurance Annexes in the State of 
Tamil Nadu at present. In addition, three 
Employees’ State Insurance Annexes are 
under construction. 



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(b) No hospital is bsing run in a rented 
building and as such, there is no question 
of payment of any rent. 

(c) No new hospital is tifcely to be open- 
ed in the next three years. 

Non-Allocation of Funds For opening 
New Hospitals In Tamil Nadu 
Under Employees’ State 
Insurance 

2424. S. A. MURUGANANTHAM: Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state. 

(a) whether his attention has been drawn 
to the statement made by the Tamil Nadu 
Chief Minister on the 6th June, 1972 that 
the Centre has not allotted any money for 
opening new hospitals in the State under 
the Employees State Insuranre Scheme; and 

(b) if so. Government’s reaction thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR): (a) No. 

(b) Funds for opening new Hospitals 
under the Employees’ State Insurance Sceh- 
eme are made available not by the Central 
Government but by the Employees 4 Stae 
Insurance Corporation. The Corporation has 
reported that in case of Tamil Nadu State, 
the number of beds sanctioned is 1501, as 
against the entitlement of 1945 beds accor- 
ding to the existing yard-stick. There is, 
therefore, no likelihood of construction of 
new Hospitals in Tamil Nadu State in the 
nxet five years. 

Incidents of Strikes and Lock-Outs 

2425 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) the name of the State in which the 
largest number of strikes and lock-outs 
occurred during the last three years; 

fb) whether the number of workers in 
Bihar involved in labour agitation is the 
highest; and 

(c) if so, the reasons threfore and the 
steps taken by Government to remove it ? 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K, KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) The largest number of strikes 
and lock outs during 1969, 1970 and 1971 
were reported in Maharashtra; 

(b) According to available information, 
this is not so; 

(c) Does not arise. 

Purchase of Non-N.etal Helmets in 1965 

2426. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR ■ Will the Minister of 
SUPPLY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether after the purchase of non- 
metal helmets m 1965, complaints were 
lodged by the users about the size of the 
helmets and no serious notice was taken of 
these complaints; 

(b) whether any investigation is contem- 
plated into the matter and whether any 
responsibilty will be fixed for these lapses; 
and 

(c) The period by which such an investi- 
gation would be completed ? 

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). Helmets 
were purchased on behalf of the 
Ministry of Home Affairs for the State 
Governments. Complaints were made by 
the State Governments to the Ministry of 
Home Affairs. The lapses involved in this 
case, tn so far as the DGS&D are concer- 
ned, are being investigated and they would 
be completed as soon as possible. 

Long Term Plan for Dandakaranya 
Project 

2427. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) Whether the Department of Rehabili- 
tation propose to prepare a long term plan 
for the Dandakaranya project regarding 
the rehabilitation of families in the project, 
and 

(b) Whether any date has been fixed 
for the preparation of this plan and its 
presentation to parliament ? 



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; THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) (a) and) (b). Pending preparation 
of a master plan for the Dandakaranya 
Region by the Town and Country Planning 
Organisation, the programmes for resett- 
lement of displaced persons and area develo- 
raent in Dandakaranya are being taken 
up and executed by the Dandakaranya 
Development Authority according to annual 
plans drawn up on the basis of availa- 
bility of land and resouices. 

The Town and Country planning Orga- 
nisation have indicated that an outline plan 
for the Dandakaranya sub-region will take 
2 years in its preparation. 

Norms for Haulage and Cultivation 
Output of tractors in Danda- 
karanya Project 

2428. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of 
LABOUR AND REHABILITATION be 
pleased to state : 

(a) Whether a suitable norm for out- 
put of tractors in respect of both haulage 
and cultivation with regard to the Danda- 
karanya Project has been prescribed as 
desired and lecommendcd by the Public 
Accounts Committee; 

(b) if so, the description of this norm; 
and 

(c) if not, the period by which the 
norm is likely to be prescribed ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABIL11 ATI ON (SHRI R. K.KHADIL- 
KAR) (a) to (c) : On the recommendation ol 
the Publie Accounts Committee in is Nine- 
teenth Report, norms for output of tarac- 
tors in respect of both haulage and cult- 
ivation have been fixed by the Dandakaranya 
Project Administration, after taking into 
account the peculiar conditions of the 
project area. The norms tentatively fixed 
are 660 hours of woik (300 hours for agr- 
icultural work and 300 hours for non-agricu- 
ltural work) per tractor per year. These 
norms are, however, being examined further 
in consultation with the Ministry of Agr- 
iculture. 


Scheme of Power Tillers 

2429. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will t he Minister of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether the Committee on Power 
Tillers have reported that the basic consi- 
deration on which the seheme of Power 
Tillers was introduced has not been found 
to be true; and 

(b) if so. whether Government have 
fixed any responsibility for this faulty 
planning ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) and (b). The basic considera- 
tions on which *the scheme to use Power 
Tillers in Dandakarnya was formulated, 
were as follows : — 

(1) At that time diversified cropping 
had not been introduced. Single 
cropping was being practised and, 
therefore, it was felt that it would 
not be possible for a pair of 
bullocks to plough the entire hold- 
ing of about 6 acres allotted to a 
settler in Dandakaranya; 

(2) The bullock markets were not well 
established at that time and bullocks 
weie not available in sufficient 
numbers; 

(3) It was felt, at that time, that co- 
operative farming or group farm- 
ing would be practised by the 
migrants. The use of Power Tillers 
would have been useful in such 

* farming; 

Taking the experience of the 
past few years, the Committee on 
Power Tillers found that these pre- 
mises were not holding good in 
that : — 

(i) With the introduction of diver- 
sified cropping patterns and stagger- 
ing of various agricultural opera- 
tions over the session, a pair of 
bullocks had been found capable of 
carrying out the work on the 



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normal agricultural holding of a 
settler. 

(ii) The P oject Administration had 
been making vigouious efforts to 
tap various cattle markets in the 
region and it had been possible for 
them to p.ocuie adequate number 
of bul’ocks for the settler families 
inducted each year. 

(ni) While group farming was 
practised in the Dandakakaranya 
only in the first year of induction 
of families (since individual allot- 
ment was not possible by that time) 
no group or cooperative farming 
had, in fact, been adopted by the 
settlers on a regular or long term 
basis. Hence the use of Power 
Tillers on group or cooperative 
farming basis had 1 to be ruled 
out. 

Besides, the settlers in Dandaka- 
ranya were not adequately mecha- 
nically minded so as to be capable 
of handling Power Tillers and 
attending to minor repairs, etc. 

It would be observed from the 
above facts, that there was no fault 
m planning the scheme of use of 
Power Tillers in Dandakaranya. It 
was only after practical experience 
of a few years that the banc pre- 
mises, on which the Scheme had 
originally been formulated, were 
found to be no longer holding 
good. 

Representation from firms requesting 
for supply of Tin Plates 

2430. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister ofSIEFLAND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any rep’esentations have 
been received by his Ministry from the firms 
which have been granted C.O.B. licences for 
fabircating tin containers requesting for the 
supply of tin plates; and 

(b) if so, their particulars and the action 
taken or proposed to be taken in the 
matter 7 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b) . A 
representation was received fiom M/s. 
Premier Vegetable Products Ltd., claiming 
to have received a C.O B. licence for fabri- 
cating Tin Containers, with a capacity of 
1,000 Tonnes per annum, and asking for 
supply of Tinplates. As there is no statu- 
tory control over the distribution of Tin- 
p’ate, which is looked after by the Tinplate 
Producers Consultative Committee, the rep- 
resentation was passed on to that Commi- 
ttee for consideration under advice to the 
firm. 

Visits by Regional Provident Fund 
Commissioner, Bihar 

2431. SHRI R P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILITA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware 
that new coverage under the Employees 
Provident Funds Organisation are not taking 
place in the region of Bihai because the 
Regional Commissioner and Assistant 
Commissioner are not personally visiting 
these places ond supervising the same; 

(b) whether they have ever visited 
Palamu, where a large number of Dolmite- 
mines are situated or the Chaibasa where 
China-clay Mines are located or North 
Bihar, where rice mills have not implemen- 
ted the Employees’ Provident Funds Act 
properly; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
issue orders to these efficials to conduct 
intensive surveys for coverages etc. ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Provident Fund authorities 
have reported as under : — 

(a) It is not correct to say that new 
coverages under the Employees' Provident 
Funds and Family Pension Fund Act. 1952 
and the Seheme framed thereunder are not 
taking place in the B»har region and 
that the Reg onal /Assistant Commissioner 
is not Visaing various establishments. 

(b) Provident Fund Inspectors of the 
Employees Provident Fund Organisation are 



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entrusted with tne jjb of Inspection/Inve- 
stigation of various establishments. The 
Assistant /Regional Commssioner has also 
visited a number of establishments situated 
at various places as was found necessary in 
the interest of smooth administration and 
enforcement of the Act and the Scheme 
framed thereunder. 

(c) General instructions for surveys to 
be conducted by officials have already been 
issued in this behalf. 

Wage Board for Workers in 
Construction Industry 

2432. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a final decision has been 
taken lo appoint a wage Board for 
the workers employed in the Construc- 
tion Industiy; 

(b) whether the workers, under the 
leadership of All India Hindustan Construc- 
tion Workers Union, h ve decided to launch 
a direct action :n case the Wage Board is 
not appointed by the end of September. 
1972 and if so, the reaction of the Govern- 
ment; and 

(c) whether the workers employed in 
Construction Industry in India are not 
covered by the Gratuity Scheme and have 
also not been brought under the purview of 
Provident Fund benefit scheme, if so. the 
steps taken by Government to bring them 
under the various provisions of the Law ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) It is not proposed to set 
up a Wage Board for the Construction 
Industries; 

(b) Government are not aware of this 
decision; 

(c) Central legislation on Gratuity has 
been passed by Parliament recently. It would 
cover the Construction Industry also. As 
regards the application of the Provident 
Fund Scheme to this industry, the matter is 
being considered. 


Support to India’s Efforts regarding 
Vietnam War 

2433. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether during his recent tour in 
many foreign countries in July, 1972, many 
countries have assured of their whole-hearted 
support, in India’s efforts to reduce chances 
of further escalation of war in Vietnam; 
and 

(b) if so, which are those countries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and 
(b). In most of the countries visited by 
the Minister of External Affairs in July this 
year, the Vietnam problem came up in the 
course of discussions. Deep concern was 
expressed by these countries over the conti- 
nuing war situation in Vietnam and there 
was apprecia ion of the views expressed by 
India for an eaily end to these hostilities 
and for a fair and just settlement of the 
Vietnam problem. 

Security Personnel in Rourkela 
Steel Plant 

2434. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of 
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of security perso- 
nnel in Rourkela Steel Plant, 

(b) the total number out of them, who 
have opted for Central Industrial Security 
Force and absorbed in the Plant; and 

($) the time by which the remaining 
personnel are expected to be absorbed ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c). 
The total number of security personnel in 
Rourkela Steel Plant was 878. Of these 226 
opted to join the Central Industrial Security 
Force (C.I.S.F). Out of the 226, 136 have 
been selected for absorption in C.I.S.F. and 
the remainging 90 have been earmarked for 
absorption in the plant. 



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Such of the Security petionnel who did 
not opt for C.I.S.F. have been retrenched 
from Service with effect from 1 3.1972. 
Later, the Management have given re- 
employment to 298 out of these who had 
completed more than 10 years of service and 
were found suitable. 

Quarters in Rourkela Steel Plant 

2435. SHRT SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of 
STEEL AND MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the cheap type of quarters 
in the Rourkela Steel Plant have gone below 
the minimum plinth area prescribed for the 
quarters; and 

(b) if so, the t»me by which it is 
expected to be made good ? 

9 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Prior 
to formulation of standards by the Bureau 
of Public Enterprises, some barrack type 
houses of 300 square feet plinth area were 
constructed at the initial stage of construc- 
tion of the township. 

(b) There is no proposal to make 
gcod the shortage of plinth aiea in these 
quarters. Therj has however been no futher 
construction of cheep type quarters of the 
barrack t>pe. 

Deputationists working in Steel Plants 

2436. SHRT SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA . Will the Minister of STEEL 
AND MINES be pleased to refer to the 
reply given to Unstarred Question No. 751 
on the 3rd August, 1972 regarding deputa- 
tionists in the Steel Plant and state : 

(a) the time by which tie deputation- 
ists woiking in Steel Plants are expected to 
be reverted back; and 

(b) the policy involved in allowing 
deputationists to continue working in the 
Steel Plants ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZK HAN) : (a) and (b). 
Except for appointments made by Govern- 


ment in terms of the Articles of Association 
of the Company, it is for the authorities 
of Hindustan Steel Limited and Bokaro 
Steel Limited to secure or retain the 
services of Government employees on depu- 
tation having regard to their own require- 
ments .and interests. The Government 
have, however, already decided that members 
of the peimanent civil services (other than 
those who belong to the Industrial Manage- 
ment Pool) on deputation or proceeding on 
deputation hereafter should excercise within 
a stipulated period, an option between 
permanent absorption in the service of the 
undertaking and reversion to the parent 
department. The reversion of the existing 
deputationists from the Central Government 
will, therefore, be governed b> this decision 
In the case of State Government employees 
on deputation, the mat r er would have to be 
settled by ti e Undertaking with the State 
Governments concerned. 

Recommendations of Loomba Committee 
in Rourkela Steel Plant 

2437. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA : Will the Minister of 
STEEL AND MIbES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Loomba Committee’s 
recommendations have been fully imple- 
mented in Rourkela Steel Plant; and 

(b) if not, the recommendations which 
remain to be implemented ? 

THE MINISTER OF i>TATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). 
The implementation of the recommendations 
of the Locmba Committee is in various 
stages of progress. 

Buildings Constructed at Dhanuskoti 
for repatriates from Sri Lanka 

2438. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some buildings were con- 
structed at Dhanuskoti in Rarreshwaram to 
receive the repatriates from Sri Lanka; 

(b) whether ihese buildings arc now 
lying vacant and are not put to any use; 
and 



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, (c) the amount spent for the coostruc- 
Hon of these buildings and whether Govern- 
ment propose to utilise the buildings for 
any other use ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K. 
KHAD1LKAR) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 

(c) A sum of Rs. 18.78 lakhs was 
sanctioned for the construction of buildings 
and other ancillary items like electricity, 
water supply, internal roads, etc. 

The question of utilising these buildings 
is being examined in consultation with the 
State Government. 

Release of Indian Property Captured by 
Pakistan during 1965 

2439. SHRI R. S. PANDEY . Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleaded to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken up 
with Pakistan the question of release of 
Indian prope-ty confiscated by Pakistan 
during the 1965 Indo-Pakistan conflict; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps taken so far and 
the results achieved therefrom ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and 
(b). The matter has been taken up with 
the Government of Pakistan on a number 
of occasions without any positive results. 
The Government will however continue to 
pursue it. 

Setting up of a Joint Council of trade 
Unions for workers' participation 
in production of I. I. S. Co. 

2440. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state. 

(a) whether the AH-India Trade Union 
Congress has demanded that a Joint Council 
of Trade Unions (as in Durgapur Steel 
plant) should be set up in Burnpur for 
Inducting workers* participation in Indian 
Iron and steel Company's production from 
the top to the shop level; and 


(b) if so Government* decision thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) This is an issue within the purview 
of the Plan Management. 

Non-Compliance of Employee's Provi- 
dent Funds Act in Public 
Undertakings. 

2441. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Public Sector Under- 
takings have been showing a sign of non- 
compliance of the Employees’ Provident 
Funds Act and tfie Scheme all over India; 
if so, the details of each such unit, in each 
region; 

(b) whether Regional Commissioners 
and Assistant Commissioners do not visit 
Public Sector Undertakings personally and 
offer clarifications to them with the result 
that lot of mis-understanding persists regar- 
ding investment, settlement of claim and 
grant of loans tc the members; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
issue instructions to the various Regional 
Commissioners and Assistant Commissioners 
to visit Public Sector Undertakings persona- 
lly and check up their accounts so that 
marked improvement in compliance could 
be secured ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHAD1L- 
KAR) ,The Provident Fund Authorities have 
intimated as under ;• 

(a) Information is not readily available 
and is being collected, 

(b) and (c). No such large scale misun- 
derstandings have been brought to notice. 
Establishments covered under the Emplo- 
yees' Provident Funds and Family Pension 
Fund Act, 1952 including Public Sector 
Undertakings are being visited by the Regi- 
onal Provident Fund Commissioners and 
other officers as and when found necessary 



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in the interest cf smooth administration and 
effective compliance by such establishments. 
Instructions have also been issued to all 
Regional Provident Fund Commissioners 
from time to time to take effective steps for 
securing compliance from Public Sector 
Undenakings. 

Implementation of Employees’ Provi- 
dent Funds Act in Mysore 

2442 SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASFRI : 
will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state; 

(a) whether Government arc aware that 
there is large scale evasion in the implemen- 
tation of Employees’ Provident Funds Act 
in the region of Mysore in a such as the 
factories and mines rave not been covered 
with retrospective dates when they were 
covcrable, with the result that employees 
have been deprived of the benefit of mem- 
bership of Provident Funt for a period 
ranging from 10 to 12 years; 

(b) whether Government propose to 
reopen all such cases and cover them again 
w'lth retrospective dates so that the harm 
done to the workers could be still undone; and 

(c) the steps being contemplated in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Provident Fund authoiities 
have furnished the following information:— 

(a) No. Only one such case has come to 
the not ce of the Central Provident Fund 
Commissioner. 

(b) and (c) Su t ble in t uctions have 
been issued by the Central Provident Fund 
Commissioner to the Regional Commissoner 
Mysore to ensure that the establ shment is 
covered from the correct date, retrospec- 
ts ely if necessary, in accordance with the 
orders and instructions issued on the 
subject. 

Introduction of Employees Provident 

Fund in Mica, Fireclay and China- 
Clay Mines in Bihar 

2443. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRli 


Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
large number of mica mines in the District 
of Hazaribagh and fire-clay mines in Dhan- 
bad District and china-clay mines in the 
Smghbhum District have not been covered 
because they are inaccessible; and 

(b) if so, the action taken in getting 
them surveyed and covered under the Empl- 
oyees Provident Funds Act ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) and (b) The Piovident Fund 
Authorities have repored that the informa- 
tion is being collected It will be laid on 
the Table of the Sabha in due course. 

Lockout in Mines of Birds Group 
in Hazaribagh 

2444. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRi 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to slate: 

(a) whether the mines belonging to the 
Bird-, group in Hazar bagh have declared 
lockout; 

(b) whether theie was a police firing on 
the striking workers; and 

(e) if so, the cause of the sirike and 
actions taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHAD1L- 
KAR) (a) Yes, Saunda *D’ Colliery of 
Messrs Karanpura Collie les Limited in 
Hazaribagh was undfcr lockout, which was 
lifted on 24th July, 1972; 

(b) The police had to open fire cn a 
crowd of striking workers of the Sirka Coll- 
iery and villagers; 

(c) Following the arrest of the Presi 
dent and (he Branch Secretary of the Coal 
Workers’ Union, there was strike in Siika 
Colliery. The cause of action of the strike, 
being a subject matter of law and order, 
falls with-in the jurisdiction of the State 
Government. 



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SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 98 


Effect of U. 8* Economic Recession 
on Foreign Students 

2446 SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU: Will 
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether his attention has been drawn 
to the news-item published in The States- 
man, Calcutta, dated the 3rd July, 1972, page 
7, under the caption “Foreign Students in 
USA hit by economic recession”; 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction there- 
to; and 

(c) what action, if any, is being taken 
on this issue ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). It would not be proper for 
Government to comment on internal econo- 


mic developments in other countries. While 
it is part of the duties of our Missions to 
look after the welfare of Indian nationals 
abroad, there is not much that can be done 
to provide assistance in situations of the 
type mentioned in the news item. 

Earnings and Productivity of 
Factory Workers 

2447. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state the State- 
wise, productivity, money earnings and real 
earn ngs of factory workers drawing less 
than Rs. 400/- per month, during 1960-61, 
1968-69 and 1970-71 or 1969-70? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K, KHADIL- 
KAR) : The attached stat ment gives the 
State- wise index numbers of money earnings 
for the years 1962, 1968, 1969 and 1970 and 
the index numbers of real earnings on an 
all-India basis for the same years. Similar 
information in respect of productivny is 
not available. 


S tatement 

Index Number of Money Earnings of Employees In Manufacturing Industries 
drawing less than Rs 400 /- per month by States for the 
years 1962 . 1968 to 1970 . 


SI. States/Union Index Number of Money Earnings (Base 1961 =100) 


No. 

Territories 

1962 

1968 

1969 

1970 (P) 

i 

2 

3 

4 

5 

6 

1 . 

Andhra Pradesh 

104 

155 

177 

182 

2. 

Assam 

85 

137 

149 

152 

3. 

Bihar 

97 

134 

135 

148 

4. 

Gujarat 

105 

165 

164 

175 

5. 

Himachal Pradesh 

159 

205 

182 

182 

6. 

Kerala 

108 

175 

199 

199 

7. 

Madhya Pradesh 

108 

148 

151 

158 

8. 

Maharashtra 

106 

157 

167 

167 

9. 

Mysore 

93 

156 

155 

155 

10. 

Orissa 

103 

152 

174 

216 


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1972 

Written Answers 100 

1 2 

3 

4 

5 

6 

11. Punjab* 

110 

161 

189 

201 

12. Rajasthan 

172 

261 

265 

265 

13. Tamil Nadu 

107 

156 

165 

165 

14. Uttar Pradesh 

109 

171 

176 

18 

15. West Bengal 

106 

170 


94 

Union Territories : — 





16. Andaman & Nicobar Islands 

106 

148 

166 

179 

17. Delhi 

110 

166 

181 

172 

All-India Index of 

Money Earnings. 

106 

160 

171 

175 

All India Consume; Price 

Index Numbers (Base Shifted 
to 1961-100). 

103 

171 

169 

178 

All-India Index of 

Real Earnings. 

103 

94 

101 

98 

*As it existed prior to reorganisation. 



(P)- 

Provisional. 

Note — 1 . The figures relating to Index 

of Money Earmngs 

exclude those for Railway 


Workshops and Groups of Industries seasonal in character consisting of Food, 
Beverages, Tobacco and Gins and Presses but include Defence Installations. 

2. Index Numbers of Money Eearnings in respect of other States/Union Territories 
are not being compiled as the basic data for the year 1961 was not available. 

Source : Annual Returns under the Payment of Wages Act, 1936. 


Final Report of Expert Committee on 
Unemployment 

2448. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: 

SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Expert Committee on 
Unemployment has since submitted its final 
report by Bow; 

(b) if so, the broad recommendations 
thereof; and 

(c) the decisions taken thereon and the 
decisions taken on its earlier report ? 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) No. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Setting up of a Corporation for Utilisation 
of Nickel Ore in Orissa 

2449. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any progress has been made 
so far in setting up of a Corporation for 
utilisation of nickel ore found in Sukhinda 
area in Orissa; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? ' 



ill Written Answers SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, whether these statements 

MINISTRY OF STEEL & MINES (SHRI come within the breach of Simla Agreements. 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). The and 
Central Government and the State Govern- 
ment of Orissa have agreed to set up a (c) the reaction of Government in the 

Corporation for the development of Sukhinda matter ? 

Nickel Deposits in District Cuttack, Orissa, 

with the former having 51% shares and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 

latter having 49% shares in it. Action is MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 

now in hand for undertaking pilot plant (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 

scale tests before a detailed project report Government have seen reports to this 

for the commercial exploitation of the effect, 

deposit is drawn up. Steps are also being 

taken to appoint an Officer on Special Duty (b) and (c). Under paragraph 4 (ii) of 

to handle liasion and coordination work the Simla Agreement, India and Pakistan 

between various agencies. A separate corpo- have bilaterally agreed to respect the line 

ration will be set up after getting more of control in Jammu and Kashmir which 

detailed information about the nature and came into effect on 17-12-1972, not to 

extent of this Project. alter it unilaterally, and to refrain from 

the threat or the use of force in violation 

Non-Payment of Wages to Mica Mine of it. Any statements made in contravention 

Workers at Kaderma and of this would be against the spirit of the 

Jhumaritilaiya Simla Agreement. 

"450. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will The UNMOGIP was established speci- 

the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- fically with reference to the old 1949 

LITATION be pleased to state : ceasefire line which has no validity any 

longer. The U.N.Observers have, there- 

(a) whether thousands of Mica mine fore, no role to play in Jammu and 

workers at Koderma and Jhumaritilaiya are Kashmir. 

on the verge of death by starvation due to 

non-payment of their wages by mine owners; Indo- Yugoslav Talks 

and 

2452. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

(b) if so, the steps Government have Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 

been taken in the matter ? be pleased to state : 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND (a) whether attention of Government 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- has been drawn to a statement made by the 

KAR) : (a) and (b) : information is being Yugoslav President Tito to a banquet 

collected, hosted by him in honour of the President. 

Shri Giri, suggesting the convening of a 
Pakistan’s Views Re: tbe Role summit of the non-aligned countries; 

of U. N. Observers in * 

Kashmir (b) if so, the nature thereof; and 

2451. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: (c) the reaction of Govenment to this 

SHRI PHOOL CHAND VERM A: suggestion 7 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL THE DEPUTY MlNISFtR IN THE 
AFFAIRS be plesed to state : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 

(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and 

(a) whether Government are aware of (b). President Tito, in his speech at the 

the Pakistani move for a continuing role banquet given in honoui of our President 

for the United Nations observers in Kashmir on July 5, 197"', had generally referred to 

and 'conflicting statements on Kashmir by the need for an “intensified activity by non- 

Pakistani politicians in recent days; aligned countries 9 ’ in order to continue 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 104 * 


the positive trends in international relations. 
However, no specific proposal has been 
made for the convening of a non-aligned 
Summit. 

(c) Government would abide by the 
consensus reached at the Meeting of Foreign 
Ministers of non-aligned Countries at 
Georgetown about the holding ot a Non- 
aligned Summit Meeting. 

Coal Mines Provident Fund Arrears 
with Coal Mine Owners 

2453. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA : 

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the increasing default on the part of the 
coal mine-owners to pay their share to the 
Coal Mines Provident Fund; 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to recovei the arrears fiom the 
employers; and 

(c) whether any prosecutions have 
been launched against the defaulting emplo- 
yers; if so, the number of cases filed so 
far ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Coal Mines Provident authori- 
ties have reported as under 

(a) Yes. 

(b) (i) Legal action by way of pro- 
secution and recovery proceedings 
is generally taken against defaul- 
ting employers under the Coal 
Mines Provident Fund, Family 
Pension and Bonus Schemes Act, 
1948. 

(ii) Complaints are also lodged in 
suitable cases under Section 406 
1PC. 

(iii) The State Governments of Bihar, 
West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh and 
Maharashtra have been requested 
to issue instructions to the certi- 


ficate officers for expeditious 
disposal of pending certificate 
cases. 

(iv) The State Governments of Bihar 
and West Begal have been requested 
to appoint Certificate Officers in 
each State to deal exclusively 
with the certificates cases of the 
Coal Mines Provident Fund. 

(v) The question of amending the Coal 
Mines Provident Fund, Family 
Pension and Bonus Schemes Act, 
1948 to provide for more deterrent 
penalties for non-payment of 
provident fund dues is under 
consideration of Government. 

(c) Till the end of March, 1972, the 
following legal action to realise the 
arrears has been taken : — 

(0 Number of prosecution filed 
under the Coal Mines Pro- 
vident Fund, Family Pension 
and Bonus Schemes Act, 

1948. —3429 

(ii) Number of prosecutions 
filed under Section 406 
I. P. C. — 17 

(in) Number of certificate cases 

filed. —3261 

Interim Report of Bonus 
Review Committee 

2454. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have asked 
for an interim report from the Bonus 
Review Committee; 

(b) if so, whether Government have 
received this report; and 

(c) the recommendations made and the 
decisions taken on them ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR (a) No, Sir. 



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Written Answers 106 


(b) Goverament have not received any 
interim report. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Oven for Metallurgical Coke invented by 
Central Fuel Research Institute 

2455. DR RANEN SEN : 

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a special type of oven to 
make metallurgical coke has been invented 
by the Central Fuel Research Institute in 
cooperation with Tata Iron and Steel 
Company; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The 
Central Fuel Research Institute have recently 
claimed to have developed a design for a 
cheap, efficient and highly productive non- 
byproduct recovery coke oven for production 
of metallurgical coke and that based on 
this design, coke oven batte f ies of a total 
capacity of over 200,000 tonnes/year are 
being set up by the Tata Iron and Steel 
Company in their colliery at Sijua 

tb) The salient features, according to 
the Central Fuel Research Insitute, are ; 

(i) The productivity of the new ovens 
is nearly two and a half times as 
much as the conventional beehive 
ovens, which will result in sharp 
decrease in processing costs; 

(ii) The coke is intended to be used in 
the TISCO blast furnaces to meet 
current coke shortage; 

(iii) Unlike conventional beehive ovens, 
it is possible to use a wide range 
and blends of coals in these ovens 
to produce foundry and/or blast 
furnace coke. 


Scrutiny of Agricultural Department’s 
proposal for purchase of Fertilisers 

2456. SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: 
Will the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether per unit nutrient price of 
European origin ANP fertiliser is less than 
that of DAP and NPK complex fertilizer of 
USA; and 

(b) what facilities the Department of 
Supply have to scrutinize Agriculture 
Department's proposals to purchase fertiliser 
from various sources ? 

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D.R. CHAV AN) : (a) Generally, the price 
per unit of nutrient in DAP is lower than 
that in ANP, while the price per unit of 
nutrient in ANP is lower than that in NPK 
complex fertilizers. However, the quality 
of nutrients available from ANP is inferior 
to that ayailab'e from DAP. 

(b) It is the responsibility of the 
Department of Agriculture to determ ne the 
programme for the import of fertilizers to 
be imported and the delivery schedules for 
such imports. The Department of Agricul- 
ture do not indicate the various sources 
from which the fertilisers should be pur- 
chased except where purchases have to be 
made against the credits available from 
different countries. 

Captive Mines of Ores for Steel Produc- 
tion by Bokaro Steel Plant 

2458. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH 
RAO : Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(h) whether the Bokaro Steel PUnt 
will not have captive mines of ores for steel 
production; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the safeguards provided to ensure 
that the Bokaro Steel Plant receives its full 
requirements of ores at competitive rates ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) At 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


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the present moment, BokarO Steel Plant has 
no captive sources of iron ate or manganese 
ore. 

(b) and (c). It is not essential that 
every steel plant should have captive ore 
nrnes. Iron ore for the first stage of 
Bokaro Steel Plant will be supplied by 
Kiriburu Mines which are managed and 
operated by the National Mineral Develop- 
ment Corporation Limited, a public sector 
concern. As the expension of Kiriburu is 
still not comple e, iron ore fines required 
for Bokaro Steel Plant are now being 
procured from other sources. No difficulty 
is envisaged in ensuring adequate supply of 
iron ore from Kiriburu at prices fair to 
both NMDC and BSL. Manganese ore is 
now being purchased from the Minerals and 
Metals Trading Corporation Limited. 
Bokaro Steel Limned has recently acquired 
mining lease of certain areas for raising 
manganese ore and theie may ultimately 
become the main sources of the ore. 

Employees State Insurance Hospitals 

2459. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) how many Employees State Insura- 
nce Hospitals are now functioning in the 
country; 

(b) the total bed strength of these 
hospitals; and 

(c) the plans to open new hospitals in 
the pext three yeais ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Employees State Insurance 
Corporation has furnished the following 
information ; 

(a) At present 47 Employees State 
Insurance Hospitals are functioning in the 
Country. 

(b) The total bed strength of 47 Emplo- 
yees State Insurance Hospitals is 8,609. 

(c) The Employees State Insurance 
Corporation has provided a sum of about 
Ra.“ 14.5 crores for the construction of 


Employees State Insurance Hospitals, 
Annexes and Dispensaries in the next five 
years. 

Growing Industrial Unrest in Bihar 

2460. KUMARI KAMI A KUMARI : 
W.ll the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Industrial uniest is growing 
in Bihar at a very high speed due to exploi- 
tation of workers by the 20 big business 
houses; 

(b) whether Government are going to 
appoint a Committee of Members of Parlia- 
ment to look into the affairs of the 20 
big bus i r ess houses; and 

(c) if so, the time by which it is propo- 
sed to be appointed ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHA- 
D1LKAR): (a) to (c). The Ministry of Lab- 
our have no information on this subject. 

Assessment of Working of Rehabilitation 
Industries Corporation 

2461. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to Mate : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
made any assessment m regard to the wor- 
king of rehabilitation industries Corpora- 
tion, Calcutta during the last three years; 

(b) whether this Corporation has been 
running at a loss, if so. the reasons thereof; 
and 

(c) the steps taken by Go\ernment to 
improve the drawbacks ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SKRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. The losses in the Ccrpo- 
ticn arc mainly attributable to 

(i) The five hand loom weaving centres 
taken over from the Government 
of West Bengal, are working as 



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SR WAN A 26, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Anthers HO 


factory Units and the workers have 
to be given benefits according to 
the Factories Act as well as bonus. 
The products of these centres also 
do not enjoy the usual 5% rebate 
allowed to handloom products of 
the cooperative sector. 

(ji) Due to the geographical location 
of various units, the Corporation 
incurs considerable expenditure on 
transport, storage and distribution 
of their products. 

(lii) The Corporation has to employ 
displaced persons most of whom 
are inexperienced and have to be 
trained as they work. This leads to 
consequential inherent disadvanta- 
ges. 

(iv) General recession coupled with 
considerable labour unrest during 
the past 3 years, has affected the 
working of the Corporation to an 
appreciable extent. 

(v) High wages, poor labour efficiency 
and productivity and high percen- 
tage of unabsorbed factory over- 
heads also contribute to losses in- 
cured by the Corporation. 

(vi) Heavy floods in September, 1970, 
completely dislocated work in Bon- 
Hooghly area where the Corpora- 
tion’s biggest industrial complex is 
located. Damage to materials alone 
resulted in a loss of Rs. 2.13 
lakhs. 

(vii) Finished textile products worth Rs. 
36.07 lakhs accumulated in the 
stocks due to difficulties explained 
above. The devaluation of this 
huge stock, and interest on capital, 
account for a substantial part of 
the losses. 

(c) The Board of Rehabilitation which 
set up by the Government under the Chair- 
manship of Shri Manubhai Shah was reque- 
sted inter-alla to advise the Government on 
the measures essential for placing the Cor- 
poration on a round economic footing. The 
Board has submitted its report. Subsequent- 


ly, a Departmental Committee was set up to 
enquire into the working of the uneconomic 
Units of the Corporation with a view to loca- 
ting vulnerable points and finding ways and 
means of improving them so as to make 
them commercially viable. The Committee 
has also submitted its report. Both these 
reports are now under examination in con- 
sultation with the other concerned Depart- 
ments etc. 

Economic Cooperation with 
Asian Countries 

2462. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the scope for enlarging 
Indians trade and economic cooperation 
with the various countries of Asia was dis- 
cussed at a meeting of the Heads of the 
Indian Missions in Asian countries with 
representatives of the Federation of Indian 
Chambers of Commerce and Industry on 
the 12th April, 1972; 

(b) if so, the outcome of the talks: and 

(c) Government's reaction thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDFR PAL SINGH) ; (a) Yes, 
Sir; On 13th April, 1972. 

(b) Problems relating to expansion of 
India’s economic ties with the region as a 
whole, as also with individual countries were 
identified and practical suggestions towards 
this end given by the Federation of Indian 
Chamber of Commerce and Industry as 
well as the Heads of Indian Missions, are 
being studied and pursued by the Govern- 
ment. 

(c) Government feels that this is an 
opportune moment to make serious efforts 
for strengthening trade and economic co- 
operation between India and other Aslan 
countries, and intends to make every effort 
to give concrete shape to the many useful 
ideas that ’ were discussed between the 
Federation of Indian Chamber of Commerce 
and 1 Industry and the Heads of Indian 
Missions. 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 112 


Rehabilitation of Families displaced 
due to Establishment of Steel 
Plant at Visakhapatnam 

2463. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of families to be 
displaced by the establishment of steel plant 
at Visakhapatnam; and 

(b) the proposals to rehab. litatc these 
displaced perons ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE: 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) At 
this stage it is not possible to make a precise 
assessment of the number of families likely 
to be displaced by the acquisition of land 
for the Visakhapatnam Steel Project, as this 
would be subject to the area of land which 
is finally acquired. 

(b) Proposals for rehabilitation of the 
persons who would be displaced will be 
drawn up by the Government of Andhra 
Pradesh in consultation with the Ministry 
of Steel and Mines. 

Control of Ferrous and non-ferrous 
Scrap Trade through M M.T C. 

2464. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of STEFL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to control the ferrous and non-ferrous scrap 
trade through the Minerals and Metals 
Trading Corporation; and 

(b) if so, the sal ent features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEFL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and 
(b). At present there is no statutory control 
on price or distribution of ferrous and non- 
ferrous scrap trade. At present, the import 
of iton-ferrous scrap is arranged through 
Minerals & Metals Trading Corporation and 
the import of ferrous scrap is canalised 
through Minerals & Metals Trading Corpo- 
ratlon/Metal Scrap Trade Corporation. 
Export of ferrous scrap is also canalised 
through Metal Scrap Trade Corporation. 


Ban on Entry of Indian into U. K. 

246L SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the reports regarding the 
refusal to the Indian parents to enter 
Britain even to attend the wedding of their 
sor.s; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PaL SINGH): (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) Government naturally regret needless 
hardships caused to innocent visitors to 
Britain. However, in the case of Shrimati 
Achro Malhi, wh ch has been widely reported 
in the press, the British view is that she 
sought entry into UK by misrepresenting 
facts. She is alleged to have told the immi- 
gration officer at London airport that she 
wished to settle permanently in U.K. Further- 
more, her earlier appl cation for an entry 
certificate at the British High Commission 
in New Delhi had been refused. She had 
then changed her passport and sought entry 
into UK without an entry certificate. She 
claimed that she had gone theie to attend 
her son’s marriage. The immigration autho- 
rities offered to let the marriage be per- 
formed in the detention centre where she 
was held. The offer was declined, and 
Shrimati Malhi was returned to India on 
20th July, 1972. 

Government would have wished to see 
this case handled with greater humanity. 

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Building of Sulphuric Acid Plant in 
Bhilai Steel Plant 

2467. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a proposal to build 
a sulphuiic acid plant at the Bhilai Steel 
Plant; 

(b) if so. the total production capacity 
of the plant; and 

(c) the total expendituie involved 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STELL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) 55 Tonnes per day expressed as JflO% 
Concentration Acid. 

(c) The plant is being installed on a 
turnkey basis at a quoted price of Rs. 77 48 
lakhs including £15,650 of foieign exchange. 

Indo-Poli&h talks regarding I. C. C. 
in Vietnam 

2468. SHRI C. K, CHANDRAPPAN' 
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether during his recent visit to 
Poland he had discussion with tht Polish 
leaders regarding the fUtu-e of the Interna- 
tional Control Commission in Vietnam; and 

(b) if so, the nature thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 


(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) These discussions are of a confi- 
dential nature and it would not be in public 
• interest to disclose their contents. 

Opening of New Embassies 

2469. SHRI D. P JADEJA : 

SHRI VEKARIA : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
/ FFA1RS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are considering 
to upgrade the existing and open new Emba- 
ssies in South and Central America; and 

(b) if so, when and in which country ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH); (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) It has been decided to set up an 
Embassy m Panama. The question of opening 
some more Missions and upgrading others 
is under consideration. 

Difficulties faced by Indians in 
Central America 

2470. SHRI D P JADEJA: Will the 
Minuter of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plea- 
sed to slate 1 

(s0 whether Government have received 
anv complaints from Indian ciii?ens residing 
in Central American countries regarding 
delay in passport renewals; and 

(bj if so, the reaction of Go\ernment 
theieto ?, 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Steel Distribution Policy for Small 
Scale Industries 

2471. G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be p eased 
to state: 



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(a) whether the present steel distribu- 
tion poley of Government Is not beneficial 
to the small scale industries; and 

(b) if so, what steps Government have 
proposed to ractify the position ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) It is 
not coirect that the piesent steel distribu- 
tion policy is not beneficial to the Small 
Scale Industries. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Delay in completion of Sudamdih 

and Moindih Projects of National 
Coal Development Corporation 

2472 SHRI MUKHT1AR SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whather delay in the completion of 
Sudamdih and Moindih projects of National 
Coal Development Corporation has been 
reported: and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN)- (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) The main reasons for the slow 
progress of the projects arc the delay in 
receipt of vital indigenous equipment by the 
projects as well as a general shortage of 
Iron and Steel. Some imported equipment 
was impounded by Pakistan during the 1965 
war. Difficult Geological conditions inclu- 
ding the presence of gas & under ground 
hot water have also been responsible for 
delay in the completion of Sudamdih project 
Power supply has also been subject to hea\y 
interruptions. 

Non-aligned Nations Conference 

2473. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a move to have 
non-aligned nations summit in the near 
future; and 


(b) if so, the subjects proposed to be 
discus'.ed in the summit and the name of 
the country where the summit is likely to 
be held ’ 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFX1RS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH,: (a) Yes, 
Sir, in 1973. 

(b) The subjects to be discussed will be 
decided in consultations to be held to prep- 
are foi the Summit meeting. The Summit 
meeting is proposed to be held in Algiers. 

Casual Labourers in Public Undertakings 

2474. SHRI HAR1 KISHORE SINGH: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of Casual Labour work- 
ing at present in Government Undertakings, 

(b) whethe there is any proposal under 
consideration of Government to regularise 
there services; 

(O the number of casual labourers 
who>e sei vices have been regularised during 
the last one year; and 

(d) the time by which the remaining 
persons will be regularised ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) (a) to (d). The information asked 
for relates to both the Central and State 
Government undertakings and is not readily 
available. 

Import of Steel 

2475. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have any 
proposal under consideration to import 
steel from foreign countries; 

(b) if so, the quantity and value of 
steel likely to be impoited during the years 
1972-73 and 1973-74; and 



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(c) the names of the countries from 
where the import will be made and for 
whom the import will be made ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) to (c). 
Import of steel is made by the canalising 
agencies/Actual Users/Registered Exporters 
or their nominees/Export Houses. Imports 
are being allowed in accordance with the 
Import Policy for all categories, where the 
material is not adequately availab’e 
indigenously. The quantum of import 
depends upon the demand for steel, 
indigenous availability of steel and the 
availability of foreign exchange. No 
precise estimate of quantity and value of 
the steel likely to be imported during 1 972- 
73 and 1973-74 can be given at present. 
However, it is anticipated that imports 
will be around 1 0 million tonnes 
in 1972-73 and less in 1973 74, 
particularly if domestic production shows 
substantial increases in 1972-73. 

The countries from which steel isi impor- 
ted depend upon the sou ice of foreign 
exchange and availability of right type of 
material. Generally steel imports are from 
Japan, U.K., U S A , USSR, Holland, 
Poland, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, 
Hungary, Belgium, France. East and West 
Germany. 

Change in the Procedure ot indenting 
and Distribution of Iron 
and Steel 

2476. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
revise the system of indenting and distri- 
bution of Iron and Steel in the country; 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof; 
and 

(c) the steps taken to regulate the 
disiribution and sale of defective cuttings, 
re-rollable and other scraps ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF SLEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The 


revised system of indenting and distri- 
bution was notified on 7th April, 1971. 
There is no proposal at present to revise it 
further. 

(b) Dots not arise, 

(c) The Joint Plant Committee 
regulates distribution of all such materials 
ans:ng at the Plants through the Stockyards 
of the Main Producers. 

Construction of Salem Steel Plant 

2477. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the const luction work of 
the Salem Steel Plant has been going accor- 
ding to the schedule; 

^b) if not, the reasons thereof; and 

(c) the total amount spent so far on 
the construction of this plant and the time 
by which it will start functioning and total 
amount likely to be invested in this project ** 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Woik 
of preliminary site preparation has already 
commenced at Salem. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) So far, approximately Rs. 70 lakhs 
have been spent on various activit es inclu- 
ding expenditure towards land acquisition 
It is expected that the Plant would be 
commissioned bv 1977-78 The total capital 
outlay, presently estimated by the Consul- 
tants at about Rs. 340 crores, is under 
exmination. 

Exploitation of Iron Ore of Malangtoli 

2478. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether any steps have been taken 
to step up the exploitation of iron ore at 
Malangtoli; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof ? 



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THE MINISTER OF St ATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). 
A Study Group has been constituted to 
consider, among others, the development of 
Malangtoli iron ore deposits. The report of 
the Study Group is awaited. 

Survey of Respiratory Diseases among 

Coal Miners in Dhanbad-Jharia Coal 
Fields 

2479. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: 

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: 

Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a survey conducted in the 
Dhanbad-Jharia coalf, elds has revealed thdt 
a majority of the coal mneis develop 
respiratory diseases after working for cer- 
tain time; and 

(b) whether full report of the survey his 
since been received and what steps have been 
taken to protect the miners from such 
diseases ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABUOR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) and (b). A respiratory morbidity 
survey was undertaken jointly by the Rajen- 
dra Memorial Research Institute of Medical 
Sciences, Patna, and the Central Mining 
Research Station, Dhanbad, under the 
guidance of Col. R. Viswanathan, Emeritus. 
Scientist, Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute, 
Delhi. The full report of the survey is not 
yet available. 

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Written Answers 124 


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Transfers in Employees’ Provident 
Fund Organisation 

2485. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAH- 
MAN : Will the the M n-ster of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be p'eased to 
state whether ^ome of the Inspectors in the 
Fmp^yees, Provident Fund Orgainsation 
continue to be posted in the same city 
for such a long period as 17 years like in 
Bangalore, while other Regional Provi- 
dent Fund Commissioners are transferring 
the Inspectors every one to two years ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABI1 1TATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : The Prov.dent Fund authorities 
have reported as under : — 

No Inspector m any city is working for 
as lorg as 17 years. Ordinarily, Inspectors 
are transferred from one city to another 
after a per.od of th^ee years. When Ins- 
pectors continue in the same city over three 
years, their jurisd ctions as a rule are 
changed in a period of about three years. 
Inter-regjonal and mtra-regional transfers 
before three vears are resorted to, as a rule, 
on administrative considerations. 

E. P. F. and Deposits in Securi- 
ties by D.M.S. 

2486. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAHM \N: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether approx mately a sum of 
Rs. one crore has not been invested in 
the Central Government securities by the 
Delhi Milk Scheme and large number of 


temporary employees have not been admit- 
ted to provident Fund membership; 

(b) whether some high official visited 
the establishment personally, if so, on what 
dates he has visited and what are his reports 
in the matter, 

(c) whethei he reported the matter to 
the Government regaiding th s default; if 
not, the reasons theiefor; and 

(d) the position regarding the balance 
of unmve^ed amount and admission of 
temporarj employees ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADJL- 
KAR) : The Provident Fund Authorities 
have reported as under* — 

(a) The Delhi M lk Scheme, which is 
under relaxation under para 79 of the 
Employees Provident Funds Seheme, 1952, 
is a departmental undertaking of the Cen- 
tral Government and its employees are 
covered bv ihe Central Government Pension- 
fu/ff-Gratuiiv Rules Hence, the question 
of investment of Provdent Fund contri- 
butions in the Central Government Securi- 
ties as per the stand ng instructions of the 
Government does not aiisc. 

The part time staff working in the 
Depot of the Delhi M‘!k Scheme are not 
covered under the Employees’ Provident 
Funds and Family Pension Fund Act, 1952. 
The other temporary employees of this 
establishment get all such benifits till 
their confirmation as arc admissible to the 
corresponding categories of Central Govern- 
ment employees. The Regional authorities 
have asked the Delhi Milk Scheme to insure 
benefits equivalent to the statutory benefits 
in respect of employees leaving their 
services before confirmation. 

(b) The establishment is visited by 
the Provident Fund Inspector regularly. 
A visit by Assistant /Regional Provident 
Fund Commissioner was not considered 
necessary*. 

(c) and (d) in view of the posi- 
tion stated above, the questions do not 
arise. 



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Writen Answers 126 


Circulation of Seniorty List to 
Officers and Staff in Employees 
Provident Fund Organi- 
sation 

2487. SHRT MD. JAMILURRAHMAN : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the the Civil List (seniority 
list) has not been circulated to the 
Gazetted Officers and staff of the Emplo- 
yees’ Provident Fund Organisation for the 
last several years, if so, when it was 
circulated last and the leasons why it has 
not been circulated since then; 

(b; whether Departments promotees 
have not been placed as per ratio fixed viz. 
50 per cent from Departmental and 50 per 
cent from direct recruitment through the 
Union Public Service Commission; 

(c) whether there was no promotion 
of Departmental candidates for several years 
and d rcct recruitment only took p ace md 
instead of placing departmental promotees 
at the ratio of 50 pei cent to 50 per cent 
in seniority list, the Departmental p o- 
motees have been piaced quite at the 
bottom of the seniority list ; and 

(d) the steps being contemplated to 
set right the irregulanty by properly placing 
the departmental candidates ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL- 
KAR) 1 The Provident Fund authorities 
have reported as under : — 

(a) No. During the last few years 
seve r al Seniority Lists pertaining to the 
Gazetted Officers and staff were circulated. 

(b) No. Departmental promotees have 
been placed as per ratio prescribed in the 
Recruitment Rules from the date of en- 
forcement of the rotational principle. 

(c) Recruitment to various cadres is 
being made from rime to time, subject to 
availability of vacancies in the appropriate 
quotas, in accordance with the provisions 
of the Recruitment Rules. 

(d) Does not arise. 


Coverages under Employees Provi- 
dent Fund in Mysore 

2488. SHRI MD. JAMILURRAHMAN: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state 
whether large number of establishment in 
•Mysore have not been covered under the 
Employees Provident Fund from the dates 
they ate actually coverable but not the 
conti ary, they have been covered from 
much later date and the employers have 
gone scot free from the liability of the 
Provident Fund? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R Ft KHADIL- 
KAR): The Cential Provident Fund Commi- 
ssioner has reported that one case has come 
to his notice and that suitable instruc- 
tions have been issued to the Regional 
Commissioner, Mysore to ensure that the 
establishment is covered from the correct 
date, retrospectively if necessary, in accor- 
dance with orders and instructions issued 
on the subject 

Selection of candidates by Industries 
through D G. E. & T. 

Aptitude Tests 

24 9. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the details of 12 industries that 
have so far used the Directoiate General 
of Employment and Training Aptitude 
Tests for selection of Apprentices in thier 
organisations; and 

(b) the Engineeung industries and 
regions in which aptitude *es ing programme 
has b en introduced for selecting suitable 
candidate apprentices under the Apprentices 
Act, 1961 ? 

a 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
FCAR) : (a). A statement is attached. 

(b) Any Industry desirous of using 
Directorate General of Employment and 
Trainmg ’9 aptitude tests for selection of 
apprentices is free to avail of this facility 
and as such the question of introduction 
of the programme in specific Industries and 
regions does not anse. 



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Written Answers 128 


Statement 

The names of estabhftments that have 
so far used Directorate Genera! of Employ- 
ment and Training’s Aptitude Tests for 
Selection of Apprentices in their Organi- 
sation is given below 

1. Indian Airlines Corporation. 

2. Ashok Leyland, Madras. 

3. The Premier Automobiles Ltd , 
Bombay. 

4. Productivity Council, Madras. 

5. Kirloskar Electric Co., Bangalore. 

6. Delhi Cloth Mills, Delhi. 


10. Bharat Electricals Ltd , Bangalore. 

11. Bharat Earth Movers, Mysore. 

12. Anup Engineering Ltd.. Ahamdabad. 

Experts assigned to D.G.E. & T. 

2490. SHR1 J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minis/er of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the nationality of the three Experts 
assigned to DG.E. &T. m the field of 
Emp'o>ment Market Information, Manpower 
Asje^sment and Planning and Vocational 
Guidance; 

(b) since when they aie in their posts; 
and 


7. Ahamdabad Electricity Limited. 
Ahamdabad. 


fc) how- far their expertise has helped 
the Government in the above-mentioned 
thiee fields ? 


8. Mysore Kirlosakar, Mysore. 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 

9. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd , REHABILITATION (SKRI R K. KHADIL- 


Lucknow. 


KAR) (a) and (b) : 

Field 

Nationality 
of Expert. 

Date from which 
assigned and period. 

(!) Employment Market 
Information. 

Australian 

From 1.4 1971 for 

12 months. 

(ii) Manpower Assessment 
and Planning. 

American 

From 13 7.1971 for 
12 months. 

(in) Vocational 

Guidance. 

American 

From 26.7.1971 from 
18 months 


(c) During their stay, the first two 
experts collected the requisite information, 
made field visits and have had discussions 
with the appropriate authorities and organi- 
sations. Their final reports, which would 
embody their recommendations, are awaited. 
The extent to which their expertised will be 
of use in improvement of these programmes 
could be gauged only after the repoits are 
received by the Government of India from 
the Internationa] Labour Organisation and 
the suggestions made therein have been exa- 
mined. The third expert has yet to complete 
his study and investigations of the existing 
set up and the problems in the field of 
Vocational Guidance. 


Target of production in Public Sector 
Steel Plants 

2491. SHRI SHRIK1SHAN MODI : 

SHR1 RAM PRAKASH : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the target of production of 
the three Public Sector Steel plants has been 
run down during current year as compared 
to 1971-72; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 



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Written Answers 130 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The targets 
of production in respect of the public sector 
steel plants at Bhilai, Durgapur and Rourkela 
under Hindustan Steel Limited for the years 
1Q71 and 1972-73 are indicated below : 


(In 000* tonnes) 



Target for 
1971-72 

Target for 

1972-71 


Steel 

Ingots 

Saleable 

Steel 

Steel 

Ingot 

Saleable 

Steel 

Bhilai 

Steel 

Plant 

2200 

1720 

2250 

1790 

Durgapur 

Steel 

Plant 1150 

877 

1000 

722 

Rourkela 

Steel 

Plant 

1400 

999 

1250 

890 


It will be noticed that while the targets 
of production in the case of Bhilai Sieel 
Plant for 1972-73 are higher than those in 
1971-72, they are lower in the case of the 
other two Plants. 

(b) The targets of production for 1972-73 
are based on a realisitic assessment of pro- 
duction possibilities taking into account 
technical and other constraints and, in the 
case of Durgapur Steel Plant, the adverse 
effect on production of the continuing 
disturbed industrial relations situation. 

Chinese Communication received through 
Sri Lanka 

2492. SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI : 

SHRI Pi LOO MODI : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the High Commissioner of 
Sri Lanka in New Delhi handed over a letter 
from the Chines’ Prime Minister to the 
Prime Minister of India; and 

(b) whether there is any indication that 
talks would be held between India and China 


to normalise relations between the two 
countries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURINDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Biackmarketing in distribution 
of Steel to States 

2493. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India arc 
aware of the fact that biackmarketing is 
still going on in the distribution of steel in 
various states; and 

(b) if so, what measures Goverment 
propose to take to check the biackmarketing? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) There is no 
statutory control on any item of iron and 
steel. However, some reports have been rccei. 
ved by the Government about steel materia's 
alloted to the actual users and consumers 
being sold m the open market. 

(b) Regional Offices of the Iron and 
Steel Controller have been set up in different 
parts of the country and one of their func- 
tions is to check misuse of steel.The Iron and 
Steel (Control) Order has also been amended 
to provide that utilisation of steel for 
purpose other than those for which steel is 
allocated or applied for is a vocation of the 
Control Order and this would attract the 
penarprovisions of the Essential Commodi- 
ties Act. In investigating such complaints, 
the assistance of the C.B I. is also being 
taken in suitable cases. 

Setting up of a Steel Plant in 
Madhya Pradesh 

2494. SHRI ARVIND NETAM ; 

SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH: 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 



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Written Answers 132 


la) whether Government propose to set 
up some more Steel Plants in the country 
during the Fifth Five Year Plan period; 
and 

(b) if so, whether Government purpose 
to set up a steel plant in Madhya Pradesh 
also ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and 
(b) The preparatory work m connection 
with the Fifth Plan Steel development pro- 
gramme has been taken in hand, ft is too 
early to indicate details at this stage. The 
locational advantages of suitable sites in 
Madhya Pradesh will, however, be kept in 
view. 

Part-Time Training Programme for 
Workers through Industrial 
Training Institutes 

2496. SHRI P.A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the revised scheme for the 
part-time training programme of the exis- 
ting workers for upgrading and updating 
their practical skill as well as knowledge is 
being implemented on a country-wide basis 
through Industrial Training Institutes as 
recommended by the National Council for 
Training in Vocational Trades in November, 
1971; and 

(b) if not, the reasons for the delay ? 

THB MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : fa) and (b) Stale Government have 
already been requested in April, 1972 to 
take necessary steps for the implementation 
of the revised Scheme. 

Losses to Mining and Allied Machinery 
Corporation 

2497. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased 
to state: 


(b) if so, the reasons thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) MAMC 
went into production in 1964-65, and it has 
been incurring losses since then. Till the 
end of 1971-72, the cumulative loss incu- 
rred by the Company amounted to Rs. 36. 
42 crores, 

(b) The reasons why MAMC has been 
incurring continuing losses are:- 

(i) serious shortfalls in the anticipated 
demand of coal mining equipment 
for which the unit was essentially 
set up; 

(ii) long gestation period for enginee- 
ring projects of this nature manu- 
facturnig highly sophisticated 
equipment; 

(in) heavy burden of interest on loans 
taken from Government to meet 
cash losses; and 

(iv) slow build up of production due to 
labour problems and mangerial 
deficiencies. 

Realisation of arrears from Pakistan 

2498. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be plea- 
sed to state; 

(a) the particu’ars of amount which. 
Pakistan owes to India; and 

(b) the steps proposed to be taken to 
realise this amount ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The 
exact amount of Pakistan's debt on account 
of partition and other items has been the 
subject of prolonged negotiations with 
Pakistan No agreed settlement has, how- 
ever, been reached. 


(a) whether Mining and Allied machi- (b) The matter will continue to 
nery Corporation is undergoing heavy be pursued with the Government of 
losses; and Pakistan 



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Written Answers 134 


Provision of Jobs to Workers Un- 
employed due to Power Crisis 
in Gujarat 

2499. SHRl PRABHUDAS PATEL 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state: 

(a) whether all the workers in Gujarat 
who had been rendered job-less during the 
power crisis which had foiced so many 
nulls to close down have been provided 
with jobs; 

(b) if not, how many labourers are 
still there who have not been provided with 
employment; 

(c) how many mills are still closed; and 

(d) the steps the Union Ministry is taking 
to absorb all the retrenched labourers ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) to (b) The matter falls essentially 
in the State spheie. 

Communications from African 
Countries and Egypt re: 

Indo-Pak Summit 

2500 SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI : 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 

Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the African countries in 
general and Egypt in particular, have commu- 
nicated their feelings to Government after 
Indo-Pak Summit in Simla; and 

(b) if so, the nature thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIR 3 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(a) The I ndo- Pakistan Summit talks in 
Simla have been generally evaluated as a 
positive development which will help in the 
establishment of durable peace in the sub 
continent. Tbe Arab Republic of Egypt has 
also expressed, through a personal message 
from the UAR President to our Prime 


Minister, as also through other channels, 
her appreciation of the results achieved, and 
of the efforts made by India towards the 
establishment of peaceful relations with 
Pakistan. 

Demands of Workers of Indian Iron 
and Steel Co. taken over by 
Government 

2501. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 

MUNSI : 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether workers of the Indian Iron 
and Steel Company have placed any demands 
before Government after it was taken over 
by Government; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(c) the action taken by Government in 
the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL ANDMINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) 
No, Sir. 

(o) and (c) Do not arise. 

Compensation to Morena Panjreh Coal Fields 

2502. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH ■ 
Will the MmistCT of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of cases of pay- 
ment of compensation are still pending in 
regard to Morena Panjreh Coal fields; and 

(b) if so, the reasons thereof and the 
steps Government propose to take to expedite 
payment of compensation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES(SHRI 
SHAHNAWAZ KHAN), (a) and (b)' There 
is no coal field known as Morena Panjreh 
Coal field in respect of which payment of 
compensation is pending, An area of 99.66 
acres of tenancy land in village Panjreh and 
Madholi was, however, negotiated by 
National Coal Development Corporation for 
direct purchase from the tenants. All the 



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Written Answers 136 


tenants except three executed sale deeds and 
payments were made to thelft. Out of the 
three remaining tenants, Iwo have now 
furnished mutation orders and steps are 
being taken to make payments to these two 
tenants. Payment to the third tenant would 
be made as soon as mutation papers are 
eceixed fiom him. 

Coal Deposits in Madhya Pradesh 

2501. SHR1 RANABAHADUR SINGH: 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the ratio of Coal recently discovered 
in the Deori Ujjain region of Sidhi Distict 
in Madhya Pradesh and how its quality 
compares with coal found in Morena and 
Mahadaiya coal fields: and 

(b) the extent of this new’y discovered 
deposit ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRl SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) As a 
result of investigations carried out by the 
Geological Survey of India, 26.64 million 
tonnes of coal has been estimated in Deori- 
Ujjami region of Sidhi district, Madhya 
Pradesh. The coal is of inferior Class 111 
category. The quality of coal in Moiwa and 
Mahadaiya region is Class II to Class III 
and is thus slightly better than in Deori 
Ujjami region. Coal seam being mind in 
Morwa- Mahadaiya region is the Turra seam 
with thickness of 6 to 7 metres. 

(b) Deori Ujjaini deposit has an arial 
extent of 10 sq. kilometres. 

Geological Survey of Madhya Pradesh 

2504. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the present state of progress in carry- 
ing out a detailed geological survey of Sidhi 
and Sarguja Districts in Madhya Pradesh; 
and 

(b) the broad findings of the present 
survey and how long it will take to complete 
this survey ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 
SHAH NAWAZ KHAN) (a) and (b) ; Sys- 
tematic geological mapping over an area of 
250 sq. km has been carried out in Sidhi 
district during 1968-69. Systematic mapping 
will be continued in Sidhi and also in 
Sarguja districts during the field season 
1972-73 with a view to study the Bijawars 
with special reference to base metal minerali- 
sation along the Son Narmada linement. 
Pieliminury surveys for sillimanite carried 
out near Pipia have not revealed encourag- 
ing results. The bauxite occurrances from 
Sarguja district viz, at Jarangpai, Sitonga, 
Jairampat areas etc. were examined in 1 969- 
70. Inferred reserves of about 4 5 million 
tonnes have been estimated. Further investi- 
gation by pitting is in progress and drilling 
in the area will also be taken up. 

Geological mapping is expected to be 
completed by 1976-77. The mineral investi- 
gation is a long range programme and is 
expected to continue even in the Fifth Five 
Year Plan. 

Exploitlon of Sulphur Rich Coal in Assam 

2505. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state 

(a) whether Government have prep- 
ared any plan for the commercial exploit- 
ation of sulphur-rich coal of Upper Assam; 
and 

(b) whether Government propose to 
assist pilot plant level fesibility studies of 
converting this coal into synthetic crude 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) (a) The 
Council of Scientific and Industrial Resea- 
rch have proposed the setting up of a 
pilot plant at the Centra] Fuel Research 
Institute at Jealgora to test the feasibility 
of coal to oil conversion technology on 
wh ch they have already been conducting 
researches for sometime. 

(b) The matter is under consideration 
between the Council of Scientific & Indus- 
trial Research and the Ministry of 
Petroleum and Chemicals. 



1 37 Written Answer $ 


SRAVANA 26, 1394 (JSAKa) 


Written Answer! 138 


Cost of Imports 

2506. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Win 
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased t to 
state : 

(a) the percentage of various supplier 
under the Ministry which are still being 
imported and their value in terms of 
Indian rupee including freight and customs 
duty, if any; 

(b) the time by which the Ministry 
thinks they shall be able to switch over to 


qent-per cent indigenous supplies; 

(c) the effort being made in this 
direction; and 

‘ (d) the reasons for the delay ? 

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D. R. CHAVAN) (a) the value of the 
total purchases the value of the imoorted 
stores and the percentage the imported 
stores constitute of the total purchases 
made during the last three financial years 
are as under: — 


Year 

Value of total 
Purchases 
(in Rs. crores) 

Value of imported 
stores 

(in Rs. crores) 

Percentage the imported 
stores constitute of the 
total purchases made 

1969-70 

691.67 

267.88 

38.34% 

1970-71 

745 73 

227.43 

30.50% 

1971-72 (Provisional) 1006 58 

253.81 

25.22% 


(b) It is not possible to say when cent- 
per-cent switch over tn indigenous supplies 
can be achieved. 

(c) Although this Department is not 
directly concerned with the question of 
import substitution, yet all efforts are 
being made to locate indigenous sources 
of supply for stores which were hitherto 
being impoted. 

(d) Does not arise in view of th 
replies gives to parts (b) and (c) of the 
Question. 

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Written Answers 140 


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14) Written Answers 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 142 


Industrial Strikes in 1971-72. 

2512. SHR1 SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total number of Industrial strikes 
in the country. State-wise, during the year 
1971*72; and 


(b) the number of workers involved 
therein ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR). (a) and (b) : The attached statement 
gives the available provisional information 
regarding the total number of strikes in the 
country. State- wise, and the number of 
workers involved in these strikes during 
January, 1971 to June, 1972. 


Statement 

Provisional information t eg ar ding the number of strikes in the country , 
state-wise, during January 1971 to June 1972 and the number of 
workers involved in these strikes . 


State/Union Number of strikes Number of workers 

Territory involved. 


1 


2 

3 

1 . 

Andhra Pradesh 

141 

74369 

2. 

Assam 

27 

23853 

3. 

Bihar 

272 

91735 

4 

Gujarat 

172 

41662 

5. 

Haryana 

54 

12407 

6. 

Himachal Pradesh 

3 

17b? 

7. 

Jammu & Kashmii 

1 

13 

8. 

Kerala 

302 

2160 3 

9. 

Madhya Pradesh 

207 

118724 

10. 

Maharashtra 

982 

562202 

11. 

Manipur 

Nil 

Nd 

12. 

Mysore 

125 

48908 

13. 

Orissa 

21 

17957 

14. 

Punjab 

21 

32955 

15. 

Rajasthan 

91 

23416 

16. 

Tamilnadu 

299 

143033 

17. 

Tripura 

3 

103 



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Written Answers 144 



1 

2 

3 

18. 

Uttar Pradesh 

220 

72260 

19. 

West Bengal 

336 

256793 

20. 

Andaman & Nicobar Islands 

5 

1257 

21. 

Chandigarh 

3 

499 

22. 

Delhi 

64 

25699 

23. 

Goa, Daman and Diu 

23 

9203 

24. 

Pondicherry 

I 

650 


Automation Committee Report 

2513. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD VERMA 
SHR1 BHOGENDRA JHA 

Will the Minister of LABOUR 4ND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Automation Committee 
has since submitted its report; and 

(b) if so, its main recomendations ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR). (a) Yes. 

(b) Copies of the Report have been 
supplied to the Parliament Library. 

Strike Notice by H A L. Trade Unions 

2514. SHRI M. S. S1VASAMY * Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the representatives of all 
the recognised Tiade Unions of HAL comp- 
lex in the country gave strike notice to the 
managements during the month of July; 

(b) whether the talks between the 
workers and the management had failed; 
and 

(c) if so, the nature of the talks held 
ard the steps taken by Government in 
averting the strike ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 


KAR) (a) to (c) : The matter falls in the 
State sphere. 

Supply or Food to Bangla Desh 

251 ^ <;i'RI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total qnantity of wheat supplied 
to the Government of Bangladesh af er the 
lecent Indo-Pak Wai; 

(b) the terms and conditions of the 
supplies made; and 

i 

( c ) the quantity of other foodgrains 
supplied to Bangladesh by our Government 
since May, 1971 and the cost and the terms 
and conditions of such supplies ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) and 
(b) ; 6,50,000 tonnes of wheat have already 
been delivered to Bangladesh as a grant. An 
addition?! quantity of 50,000 tonnes of 
wheat is being supplied at the instance of 
UNROD on payment by them in due course- 
Delivery of these additional supplies is ex- 
pected to be completed by 25th August,1972. 

fc) 1,00 000 tonnes of rice valued at 
approximately Rs. 11.24 crores have been 
supplied on a grant basis. Furthermore 
gifts of rice from international sources which 
were originally meant for Bangladesh refu- 
gees in India are being diverted to Bangla- 
desh and nearly 15,000 tonnes have already 
been so diverted. 



145 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 146 


Indo-Soviet Joint Commission 

2516 SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARTEF : 
W.II the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the terms of reference of the propo-’ 
sed lndo*Soviet Joint Cemmission; and 

(b) whether it has sirce bern set up ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURFNDRA PAL SINGH): (a) The 
terms of reference of the proposed Inio- 
Soviet Joint Commission are shll being nego- 
tiated between the two Governments 

(b) The Commission will be established 
when the agreement is finalised. 

Stringent measures for implementation 

of Coal Wage Board Recommendations 

2517 SHRI C K JAFFER SHAR1EF 
Will the Minuter of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided to 
take drast c measures against the coal mine 
owners who have failed to implement the 
payment of wage boa id sca'e, and 

(b) if so, the measuies decided to be 
taken ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION V SHRI R. K KHADIL- 
K\R) : (a) and (b) Yes. Government are 
considering proposals to secure imp’ementa- 
tion of the recommendations 

Publishing of pamphlets in “Guide to Careers'’ 
series in Regional Languages 

2518 SHRI T. S LAKSHMANAN : W'll 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether tl e pamphlets in the “Guides 
to Careers” senes are being published 
in the regional languages of the country; 
and 

( b) if so, how many publications have 


been published and in what regional 
languages ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K- KHAD1L- 
KAR): (a) Yes, by some of the States. 


(b) 


Regional language No. of Publi- 
cation 

Gujarati 

13 

Malayalam 

2 

Marathi 

30 

Tanvl 

65 

Punjabi 

16 

(being 

published) 

In addition, the States of 
Ass?m and Orissa have a>so 

West Bengal, 
taken up the 


translation of these publications into Bengali, 
Assamese and Onya respectively. 

Most of the pamphlets in the ‘Guide to 
Careers’ senes have a’ so been publised m 
Hindi by the Directorate General of Employ- 
ment and Training. 

Study tours, fellowships and vocational 
training by officials abroad 

2519. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : W II 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state ; 

(a) the name, designation and location 
of two State Government officials who went 
on a study tour to the U S.A. sponsored by 
the USAID; 

(b) the name, designation and locatioo 
of four Training Officers of C.T Is. whn 
availed of the fellowships under the Labour 
M mstry’s training Programme in the USA 
for six months; 

(c) the name, desigra i<n and location of 
two officers who were deputed abroad on 
fellowships for a period of three months 
under the Project for National Apprentice- 
ship; and 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 148 


(d) the name, designation and location 
of the State Go' eminent cfficer and also 
that of the two Officers of D.G.E. & T. who 
were deputed to Japan under Colombo Plan 
to receive vocational training ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) to (d). The requ red information 
is given in the statement attached. 

Statement 

Information relating to the years 1971 
and 1972 is as follows : — 

(a) 1. Shri B.B. Patra, Deputy Director 

of Industries, Government of Orissa 
Cuttack. 

2. Shri R.P Sen Gi-pla, Director of 
Industries, Government of Tripura, 
Agartala. 

(b) 1. Shri K.E. Balakrishnan, Training 

Officer, Central Training Institute 
for Instructors, Madras. 

2 Shri P. D. Choudhun, Training 
Officer, Central Training Institute 
for Instructors, Madras 

3. Shri K.S. Arora, Training Officer, 
Central Training Institute for 
Instructors. Kanpur. 

4. Shri H.N. Ahuja, Training Officer, 
Central Training Institute for 
Instructors, Ludhiana. 

(c) 1. Shri R. C Srivastava, Training 

Officer, office of the Regional 
Director of Apprenticeship Training, 
Kanpur 

2. Shri R.M. Sinha, Technical Officer, 
cffice of the Regional Di lector of 
Apprenticeship Training, Kanpur. 

(d) l.Shri G. D Oliver, Inspector of 

Training, Government of Kerala, 
Trivandrum. 

2. Sin V. Rnrfkn.'lmr, Training 


Officer, Directorate General of Ern- 
p oyment and Training, New Delhi. 

3. Shri S A.Kelkar, Senior Instructor, 
Central Traurng Institute for 
Instructors, Bombay. 

Officials sent abroad to render Technical 
Assistance 

2520. SHRI T S. LAKSHMANAN : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the names and designation of the 
officers whose sei vices were placed at the 
disposal of the I L. O. Expert Manpower 
Planning and I.L.O. High Level Inter Agency 
Employment Mission in Iran to render 
technical assistance; 

(b) the name and designations of the 
senior Officers deputed to Singapore under 
the Colombo Plan and the Five Junior 
Officers deputed to Malays a to lender tech- 
nical assistance; and 

(c) the names and designations of officers 
who amended the Regional Seminar in 
Bangkok in January, 1971 tJ.e seminar m 
Berlin on the 18th March, 1971 and the 4th 
Colloquum on Technical Education and 
Training in Manila ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) (i) Shri K.B. Sharma, Diiector o! 

Employment Exchanges, Directo- 
late General of Employment & 
Training, New Delhi (Since 
retired'. 

(ii) Shri P. Sengupta, Deputy Direc- 
tor of Employment Exchanges, 
Directorate General of Emplo)- 
ment and Training, New Delhi. 

(b) Shri B.N. Guha Biswas, Principal, 
Central Training Institute for 
Instructors, Kanpur — Deputed to 
Singapore under Technical Co- 
t operation Scheme of the Colombo 

Plan. 



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SRAVANA 2f, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 150 


Shri S.C. Paul, Junior Instructor, Central Training 
Institute for Instructors, Calcutta. 

Shri D. Thomas Sc 11a raj, Senior Master, Central 
Training Institute tor Instructors, Hyderabad. 

Shri K. Vasudevan Na'r, Supervisory Instructor, 
Government of Kerala, Trivandrum. 

Shri D. N. Chakravarty, Supervisor Instructor, 
Industrial Training 1 stitute (Delhi Administration) 
Pusa, New Delhi. 


| Deputed to Malaysia 
| under the Indian 
y Technical and Econo- 
| mic Cooperation 
j Program ne. 

I 


Shri H D Manocha, Supervisor Instiuctor, | 
Industrial Training Institute (Delhi Administration, { 
Shahadara, Delhi. J 


( c ) : Regional Seminar in Bangkong in January,^ Shri Ishwar Chandra, Director 
1971. j General of Employment and 

j Training and Joint Secretary 

Seminar in Berlin in March, 1971. J to the Government of India. 

4th Colloquium on Technical Education Col. S G Pendse, Director of 
and Training in Manila in March, y Training, Directorate General 
1971. J of Employment and Training, 

Nev Delhi. 


Address by Secretary, Ministry of External 

Affairs regarding Simla Agreement 

2521. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Secretary of the 
Ministry of External Affairs recently 
addressed a public gathering at the India 
International Centre on Simla Agreement; 

(b) whether in that meeting he said 
that what leaders of Pakistan said were not 
important but what they did were of con- 
cern for us; 

(c) whether this is the official view of 
Government; and 

(d) whether the Secretary of the Minis- 
try of External Affairs had been given 
permission to address a public gathering ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Foreign Secretary was 
asked whether President Bhutto’s words 
could be relied upon and whether he would 
faithfully implement the Simla Agreement. 


The Foreign Secretary had replied that the 
Simla Agreement was a so’emn agreement 
signed by the Heads of two sovereign 
governments and not by two individuals. 
H^ had also stated that the success of the 
Agreement would depend upon the spirit 
and the manner in which the provisions of 
it we^e implemented and that Pakistan 
should be judged by her deeds rather than 
by the utterances in the Pakistan National 
Assembly. This is also the official view of 
the Government. 

(d) Yes, Sir 

Deposits of Bauxite Ores in Chhotanagpur 

2523. KUMARl KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether deposits of bauxite ores 
are available in heavy quantity in Chhcta- 
nagpur; and 

(b) if so, whether survey report of the 
Chhotanagpur regarding bauxite ores will 
be laid on the Table of the House ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and (b). 
Large deposits of bauxite are available in 


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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 152 


Ranchi and Palamau districts of Chhita- 
nagpur Division of Bihar. The Geological 
Survey of India had earned out a prelimi- 
nary assessment of the Bauxite deposits of 
Chhotanagpur area of Bihar in 1943-47 aid 
results of survey have been published in 
GSI Memoir Volume No. 85 (1958) and in 
GSI Bulletin No 25(1965). The detailed 
exploration of bauxite deposits have been 
taken up m three deposits in Ranchi 
district since 19 9 and a preliminary survey 
in the Jamirapat area in South Western 
part of Palamau district. The work is in 
progress and reports will be prepared after 
exploration is completed. 

Violation of Provident Fund rule by big 
Business Houses 

2524. KUMARI KAMLA KUMART : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
appoint a Comm'Uec of Members ol Parlia- 
ment to examine all the concerns of Sahu 
Jain, Tata, Birla Industries and all concerns 
of 20 Big Business Houses to see whether 
they have not violated the Rules of Provi- 
dent Fund; and 

(b) if no', the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) The Provident Fund Authori- 
ties have reported that there is no such 
proposal under consideration. 

(b) No circumstances justifying consti- 
tution of a Committee have b:cn brought 
to the notice of Provident Fund Authori- 
ties. 

Employment and Unemployment in Bihar 

2525. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 


(b) the total number of unemployed 
persons registered with the employment 
exchanges ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) The available information is 
given in the statement attached. 

(b) Th^ number of job seekers (not all 
necessarily unemployed) on the live register 
of the Employment E\changes in Bihar as 
on 30th June 1972 was 5,46,033. 

Statement 

(a) According to the information 
oollected through the Employment Market 
Information p.ogramme of the Directorate 
General of Employment and Training the 
number of persons employed in Government 
service and semi-Government Service 
(Central and State) in Bihai was as under : 


Sector Number of persons 

employed 
(in thousands) 


as on 31st December 
1971 (P) 


Central Government 

191 7 

State Govern pent 

266.9 

Quasi Government* 

245.3 

Local Bodies 

154.4 

Total 

: 858.3 

Hostels for Central and 

Regional 


Labour Institutes 


2526. SHRI B^NAMALl PATNA IK : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
EHAB1L1TATION be pleased to state : 


(a) the total working population of (a) whether Hostels were constructed 

Bihar who arc either in Government service for the Central and Regional Labour Insti- 
and semi-Government Service under Central tuies at Bombay, Calcutta, Madras and 
and State Governments; and Kanpur under veJV ambitious plan projects; 

(P) Provisional. 

• Quasi-Government establishments comprise both Central-Quasi and State-Quasi 
establishments. 



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Written Answers 154 


(b) whether these hostels are hardly 
being used for want of any regular planned 
programme for training if so, whether any 
steps have been taken to fix any responsi- 
bility for incurring such unnecessary and 
infructuous expenditure, 

(c) whether there are any plans under 
whch either these hostels are fully used and 
put to profitable plans Or simply sold to 
public to fetch market prices; and 

(d) the total expenditure incurred so 
far for construction, ma ntenance and other 
equipments and the amount so far recovered 
as rents ? 

(d) 


(i) Hostel attached 
to the Central 
Labour 
Institute, 

Bombay. 

(li) Hostel attached 
to the Regional 
Labour Institute, 
Calcutta. 

(m) Hostel attached 
to the Regional 
Labour Institute, 
Madias. 

(iv) Hostel attached 
to the Regional 
Labour Institute, 
Kanpur. 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHR1 R. K. KHADIL- 
K^R):(a) to (c). Hostels for the Central 
Labour Institute, Bombay and the three 
Regional Labour Institutes at Calcutta, 
Madras and Kanpur have been constructed 
under Plan schemes to provide residential 
facilities to the participants of training 
programmes, seminars, conferences, etc 
being otgantsed by these institu es. These 
hostels are being utilised by the participants 
of training programmes, etc. and efforts 
are being made to arrange more residential 
programmes to ensure better utilisation of 
the hostels. As such the questions of fixing 
responsibilities for incurring expenditure 
on their construction or their being sold to 
public do not arise at piesent. 


Construction 

Cost 

Cost of 
Furnishing 

Rent realised 
(up-to-date) 

5,35,000 

<Upto 

June 1972) 

1,18,000 

6,191 (From 
March 1972 
to date). 

5,00,000 

(appx.) 

39,030 

Rs.1532 

5,00,000 
(appx ) 

46,500 

30,287 

5,00,000 

(appx.) 

26,000 

Rs.2400 


Trained Central Industrial Relations 
Machinery Officers on deputation 

2527. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK: 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state: 

(b) whether there has been mani-fold 
increase in the strength of the Industiial 
Relations Machinery during the last ten 
eyars; 


(b) whether a large number of C.I R. 
M. Officers have had the privilege of under- 
going various trainings inside the country 
as well as abroad; 

(c) whether a number of such trained as 
well as untrained officers have gone on 
deputations, if so, the number of persons 
on deputation and the extent to which it is 
advisable to allow such deputations beyond 
a certain point say ten per cent cf the 
posts; and 


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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 156 


(d) the specific steps proposed to be 
taken to ensure that services of such officers 
are properly utilised by the C. 1. R. M. 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION fSHRI R. K KHAD1L- 
KAR) : (a) Consistent with the increase in 
work load there has been expansion in the 
strength of Central Industrial Relations 
Machinery during the last ten years; 

(b) Officers of Central Industrial Rela- 
tions Machinery along with other officers 
a~e considered and deputed for training both 
inside and also outside the country, as and 
when necessary. 

(c) and (d) . Twentyone Central Indus- 
trial Relations Machinery Officers constitu- 
ting 10 24% of the cadre strength of the 
Central Industrial Relations Machinery are 
on deputation to ex-cadre posts under the 
Government or Public Sector Undertakings. 
The services of the Central Industrial 
Re'ations Machinery Officers are properly 
utilised. 

Transfers in Central Industrial Relations 
Machinery 

25~8. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Officers of the Central 
Industrial Relations Machinery are generally 
posted at one place for a definite term of 
three years; 

(b) whether there is no uniformity in 
this regard and a number of Officers are 
posted in Delhi for more than three to five 
years; and 

(c) the number of' Officers who have 
not so far been posted outside Delhi even 
for a short spell of three years and the 
steps taken to ensure that there is some 
uniformity at all levels for some time ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) The field officers of the Central 
Industrial Relations Machinery are nor- 
mally kept at one place for about three 
years; 


(b) The practice referred to at (a) 
above would strictly not be applicable 
to the Officers posted in Chief Labour 
Commissioner’s Headquarters Office, New 
Delhi; 

(c) Two, Both these officers are posted 
in Chief Labour Commissioner's Head- 
quarters Office. 

Appointments and promotions in Ministry 
oi Labour and Rehabilitation in 
public interest 

2529. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK : 
Will the Ministei of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of ad hoc 
appointments and promotions have been 
nude in various offices under the Ministiy 
to meet the public Interest and by passing 
the normal rules of appointments and pro- 
motions; and 

(b) the positive steps being taken to 
reduce such cases of ad hoc appointments 
and promotions and thus to reduce dis- 
contentment among the staff so adversely 
affected ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) and (b). The required infor- 
mation for the period from 1.7.71 to 30.6 72 
is being collected and will be laid on the 
Tabic of Sabha in due course. 

Merger of Research Units in Department 
of Labour and Employment 

2530. SHRI P.' VENKTASUBBAIAH ; 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Department of Labour 
and Employment and its various Attached 
and Subordinate Offices have established 
Research Units, if so, the purpose of the 
Labour Bureau; 

(b) whether the desirability of merging 
various research units to coordinate their 
activities and reduce overlappings and dupli- 
cation of work has been considered; and 

(c) if so, the steps envisaged to orga- 
nise a well unit Labour Research Bureau ? 



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Written Answers 158 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL 
KAR1 : (a) to (c). The Labour Bureau is 
mainly engaged in the collection and compi- 
lation of labour statistics and other related 
studies covenng working conditions, wages, 
industrial disputes etc. Some of the oih t 
organisations under the department also 
from time to time take up studies of prob- 
lems relevant to their fields of competence. 
Caie is taken to ensure that there is no 
overlapping or duplication of effort. 

Industrial Relations Machinery 

2 31 SHRI P. VENKTASUBBAIAH * 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the State Industrial Rela- 
tions Machineiy is handling a number of 
industrial disputes in the State sphere and 
the work is being done quite competently; 

(b) whether the same machiner is 
capable of handling the matters falling m 
the Central sphere; if so, the necessity of 
maintaining two sets of Industrial Labour 
Machineries; 

(c) whether the existence of two sepa- 
rate machineries docs cause over lapping of 
j risdiclion under certain labour laws and 
the machineries can be merged to obtain all 
economies and for uniformity of enforce- 
ment; and 

(d) whether the Central Government 
has obtained the views of the States in the 
matter; if so, with what result ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
RE H ABII ITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) Yes; 

(b) No, Sir; 

(c) and (d). There is no overlapping of 
jurisdiction in the two spheres. This was 
examined at* length by the National Commi- 
ssion on Labour and they have not recom- 
mended the merger of the two machineries. 
As a result, the question of consulting the 
State Governments on this matter does not 
arise. 


Indian Institute of Labour Studies 

2532. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- 
HABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) w' ether the Indian Institute of 

Labour Studies has been in existence for 
more than eight years providing training 
facilities to the persons in the field of 

ldboui; if so, the number of persons trained 
and the expenditure incurred so far on run- 
ning the institute; 

(b) whether services of field officers 

without adequate academic qualifications 
and experience have been utilized to impart 
training and no teaching faculty has emeiged 
out of the working of the institute for the 
last eight years so far; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 

undertake proper evaluation of the working 
of the present Institute before elevating it 
to the proposed National Labour Institute 
as no critical study or proper evaluation of 
the working of the Institute has been done 
so far ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) * (a) The Indian Institute of Labour 
Studies (formerly the Central Institute for 
Training in Industrial Relations has been 
in existence for nearly 8 vears 628 officers 
have been trained in the Institute <md an 
expenditure of Rs. 22,06.542 /- has been 
incurred in the running of the Institute, 
uptil 30.4 1972; 

(b) Services of the officers of rhe 
Industrial Relations Machinery with ade- 
quate field experience m labour adminis- 
tration are utilised for imparting -training in 
the Institute. This is in keeping with its 
function, i.e. imparting in service t a ning; 

(c) The Inst’tute is not being conver- 
ted into the National Labour Institute. It 
will only be suitably merged wrh it. 

National Labour Institute 

2533. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBIALH ; 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 160 


(a) whether the National Labour Insti- 
tute is being set up as an autonomous body, 
if so, the main purpose of the proposed 
institute; 

(b) whether there are already a number 
of well organise institutions in the country 
to cater to the needs proposed to be served 
by the said institute; and 

(c) if so, whether Government piopove 
to pool the existing resources in public? as 
well as private sections to run the National 
Labour Institute instead of starting an 
absolutely new institute ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) (a) : The National Labour 
Institute has been registered as a Society 
under the Societies Registration Act with a 
view to providing for education, training, 
Study and Kseaich in labour subjects. 

(b) and (c). There is no well-o gam ed 
Institution in the country which caters to 
all the needs and objects to be served by 
this Institute The Institute will inter alia 
collaborate with other institutions mteies- 
ted in similar obiects and will also promote 
and coordinate research through its own or 
other agencies, including Universities and 
other institutions of standing. 

Recommndation of Committee on Automa- 
tion that no Comupters shouid beinsta- 
lled except by Agreement 

2534. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA ■ Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to stale : 

(a) when Government propose to take 
a decision on the recommendations of the 
Dandekar Committee regarding computcri- 
setion and automation; 

(b) whether the Committee has unani- 
mously made a recommendation that no 
computer should be installed except by 
agreement: and 

fc) if so, whether Government has 
advised all employers not to proceed with 
their computerisation plans until Govern- 
ment take a final decision? 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADLI- 
KAR) : (a) to (c). The Committee has 
recommended that — “all use of computers 
by commercial and industrial eslablish- 
mentes, whether by resort to the computer 
centre facilities or by installation of in- 
house computers should be subject to a prior 
agreement with the workers.” The Report is 
under examination by the Government. Pen- 
ding Government decision on the recomm- 
endations, the model Agreement to guide 
employers on Rationlaisation, stipulating 
prior consultation with the unions, will 
operate. 

Requirements of Iron and Steel in 
States 

2535. SHRI P NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be p’eased to state : 

(a) to what extent the current year’s 
requirements of iron and steel is being made 
available to the d.lTerent States; 

(b) whether there has been a dispropor- 
tionately heavy curtailment in supplies to 
Andhra Pradesh; and 

(c) if so, the steps being taken to meet 
the full requi ements of the different Stites ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and 
(b). Under the present distnbution system 
there are no statewise allocations of 
iron and steel. Allocations of Steel are 
regulated by the Steel Priority Committee 
after taking into account the end use for 
which steel is required, the avails bi Ly 
and competing demands. In view of this the 
question of curtailment in supplies to 
Andhra Pradesh does not arise. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Setting up of a Spong Iron Plant 
In Andhra Pradesh 

2536. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) what steps have been , taken to set 



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Writ taw Answer 162 


up a sponge-iron plant in Andhra Pradesh; 
and 

(b) whether in view of the g uv\ing shor- 
tage of iron and steel, Government propose 
to expedite this proposal ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWA7. KHAN) : (a) and 

(b). The question presumably iefers to the 
proposal of the Andhra Pradesh Industial 
Development Corporation to set up a Demo 
nstra.ion Plant at Khainmun for the 
production of 30 000 tonnes of Spcn e non 
per annum This is under consideiation. 

Aerial Survey of Hard Rock 

25 ' 7. SHRI I-IARI K'SHORE S'NGH : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to s'dte : 

(a) the achievement so far made in 
rega:d to the operating of hard rock in the 
country, and 

(b) whether Government propose to 
undeitake any ae ml survev with the colla- 
boration of some foreign country and if so, 
the name of suJi fore gn country and the 
lei ms thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OFSTVTE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) The 
ground follow up work carried out on the 
aeroanomaly intercepts thrown up by 
‘Operation Ha drock’ have lCsulted in the 
emergence of two copper piospects in Rija- 
sthan and one in Bihar and two prospects 
of lead z re mine alisation one each in 
Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh. Detailed 
investiations are in pi ogress to assess 
their commercial posibi lit es. 

(b) Another programme of multi-ins- 
trument airborne geoph>sical surveys was 
launched in June, I9 7 l, in collaboration 
with BUREAU DE RECHERCHES GEOLO- 
GIQUES AND MINIERES. (BRGM), Paris, 
a French Government orgamsati n Under 
this programme, selected areas In Rajas- 
than Gujarat. Madhya Pradesh, Maha- 
rashtra and Mysore were covered, aggre- 
gating a total coverage of over 80,000 sq. 
kn.s. which involved production flying of 


nearly 143,000 line km. The survey has 
jut been competed mf ground follow up 
work will commence shortly. There is no 
proposal befoie the Government at present, 
for any other aerial survey in collaboration 
with any foreign countiy, 

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Jobbery in organised sectors 

of Employment 

2540. SHRl B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government aic aware of 
malpractices like jobbery which are ram- 
pant in organised sectors of employment 
like schools, colleges and economic bodies 
like co-operatives; 

(b) whether any investigation has been 
made or caused by Government into the 
malpractices in regard to employment inclu- 
ding recruitment; 

(c) the steps Government propose to 
take to rationalise these procedures to 
afford equality of opportunity for all the 
citizens in the country and to prevent such 
malpract ces; and 

(d) whether any investigation team is 
proposed to be appoimed in this connec- 
tion ? 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR): (a) No. However, spec'fic complaints 
relating to employment under Government 
are looked into and action taken where 
necessaty. 

(b) to (d). Do no* arise. 

Period of waiting for getting 
employment after registra- 
tions with Employment 
Exchange. 

2541. SHRI B V. NAIK; Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHA BI LI- 
TATION be pleased to sta’e: 

(a) the average number of years that an 
unemployed person has to wait on the 
register of District Employment Exchange 
before he finds a job; and 

(b) whether this waT-ns period has been 
lengthening or shortening in the past three 
years ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHKI R K. FCHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) and (b). The information sought 
for is not available However, the available 
infoimation rela* ing to the numbers and 
period for which job seekers have been on 
the Live Register of the Emp’oymcnt 
Exchanges is given in the statement 
attached. 


Statement 


Year 


Number on Live Register according to period 
(as at the end of Sep'ember of each year) 

Total 

Less than 
one year. 

1 year cr 
more but 
le^s than 

2 years. 

2 yeais 

or more 

but less 
titan 

3 years. 

4 

3 yen s 
or more. 

1 

2 

3 

5 

6 

1969 

21,01,580 

7,28,471 

3,46,084 

2.49,123 

34,25,258 

1970 

24,27,936 

8,52,644 

4,18,468 

2,87,183 

39,86,231 

1971 

26,79,420 

11,44,388 

5,78,038 

5,27,482 

49,29,328 


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Written Answers 166 


10th Report of Committee on Review of 

Rehabilitation Work in West Bengal 

25*2. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI : Will the M-nister of LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION be pleased to 
state : 

fa) whether the Committee on Review 
of Rehabilitation Work in West Bengal in 
its 10th Report has proposed that the 
Central Government should give special 
assistance for developing fish'ng areas in 
We«f Bengal for the benefit of the nartia’lv 
rehabilitated displaced persons from former 
East Pakistan; and 

(b) if so, the action so far taken by 
Government to implement the proposal 9 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The report is being examined in 
consultation with the authorities concerned. 

Consultation of Geologists and Hydro-Geolo- 
gists regarding transfer of Functions 
of Geological Survey of India 

25*3. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI : Will the Minister of STEEL 
AND MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government consulted the 
Geologists and Hydro-Geologists while 
taking a final decision to transfer some of 
the important functions of the Geological 
Survey of India, Calcutta, to other bodies; 
and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) and 
(b). The Geologists and the Hydro-geolo- 
gists of the Geological Survey of India 
were not consulted before taking the decision 
to transfer the Ground Water Division to 
the Central Ground Water Board and to 
set up a Mineral Exploration Corporation in 
the Public Sector. 

For sometime Past, Government have 
been considering the question of reorgani- 
sing the Geological Survey of India so as 


to make it more efficient in the discharge of 
its functions. . The Committee 
on Organisation of Scientific Research 
(COSR) examined the activities, functions 
and organisational structuie of Geological 
Survey of India and made certain recommen- 
dations in this regard. These recommen la- 
t<ons which were subsequently considered 
by the Committee on Science and Techno- 
logy, became the basis for the Government 
decision to merge the Ground Water Wing 
of Geological Survey of India with the 
Central Ground Water Board of the Minist- 
ry of Agriculture and to set up a Mineral 
Exploration Corporation in the public 
sector to unde take the work of detailed 
exploration of minerals in the country. 

Printing of Geological maps of India 
in Hyderabad 

2544. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the printing of Geological 
Maps of India is proposed to be done in 
Hyderabad while the Cartographic Section 
of Geological Survey of India will remain 
in Calcutta: and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINcS 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) The decision to locate the printing 
press at Hyderabad was taken after exami- 
ning all the relevant factors the most 
important of wh ch being the facili y io 
have mutual consultation with the Su:vey 
of India Press located there. 

Collow-UP action taken after Lusaka 
Conference 

2545. SHRI DINESH SINGH . Will 
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Heads of Governments 
and Heads of States meeting of non-aligned 
countries held in Lusaka required any 
follow-up action; and 

(b) if so, what follow-up has been dore 
by India so far ? 



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Written Answers 168 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL 

AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL 
SINGH) (a) Follow-up action was in general 
called for in the Declaration of Peace, 
Independence, Development, Cooperation 
and Democratization of International 
Relations adopted at Lusaka. S:milar action 
was a’so envisaged in the Lusaka Declarati- 
on on Non-alignment and Econorr c prog- 
ress, the Statement on the United Nations, 
the General Resolution on Decolonization, 
the Resolution on Namibia, the Declaiation 
on Disarmament, etc. 

(b) Efforts hre been made by India to 
reflect the consensus armed at in Lusaka 
in the various international forums in which 
she participates. 

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Refund of provident Fund after 20 years 
of service 

2548. SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANK1 : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Govenment are aware 
of the demand by Labour Associations 
for refund of Employees' Provident 
Fund after 20 years of service to the 
labourers; and 


(b) if so, the reaction of Government to 
this demand ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHAD1LK.AR) : (a) The National Labour 
Organisation, Ahmedabad has represented 
that Prov dent Fund accumulations might 
be paid to the members of the Employees 
Provident Fund after 20 years of service 
and members seeking repayment might also 
be allowed to continue as membeis without 
any qualifying period. 

(b) The proposal is under consideration. 

Bonus Demand by Municipal Corporation 
Employees 

2549. SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANKI : 
Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION be pleaded to state : 

(a) whether Government a-e of the fact 
that the employees m the administration of 
Municipal Corporation and Lo.al Self- 
Government have raised demand for boru> 
<chem?, for workers as in the textiles anl 
other factories; and 

(b) the reaction of Government to give 
bo; us to such employees ? 

THF MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) : (a) Some demands to this 
effect have come to the notice of Govern- 
ment. 

(b) Government have no intention at 
present of amending the Payment of Bonus 
Act to cover these employees. 

Implementation of Recommendations 
of Second Conference on Safety 
in Mines 

2550 SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will 
the Minisiter of LABOUR AND REHA- 
BILITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether certain recommendations 
made in the Second Conference on Safety 
in Mines held in 1966 have not so far taken 
concrete shape and have not been imple- 
mented; 

(b) if so, the b/oad outlines of the 
recommendations; 



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SRAVANA 26, !»4 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 170 


(c) the reasons for delay and the dates 
by which each one of them is likely to be 
implemented; and 

(d) the steps proposed to be taken in 
the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR): (a) to (d). A statement giving the 
information is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library See No. LT — 
3409/72] 

Registered members of Coal 
Mines Provident Fund 

2551. SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the numb r of registered members 
of the Coal Mines Provident Fund as on the 
31st December, 1971; 

(b) the number of live members; 

(c) the reasons for difference in the 
two numbers; and 

(d) the steps taken by Government to 
increase the number of live members and 
the outcome thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR): The Coal Mines Provident Fund 
authorities have reported as under: — 

(a) 13,19*918. 

(b) 3.70,590. 

(c) The registered membership denotes 
the total number of workers enrolled as 
members of Fund excluding those who have 
already withdrawn their provident fund, 
whereas the live membership denotes the 
number of members who have been actually 
contributing duiing the currency period. 
Reasons for the difference between the two 
figures are as follows : — 

(i) Members who have ceased to be 
employed and who have claimed 
their refund but whose claims are 
still pending are included in the 
registered membership but not in 
the live membership ; 


(ii) Members who have ceased to be 
employed but have not so far 
claimed refund of thfiif provident 
fund are included in the registered 
membership but not in the live 
membership ; 

(lii) An old member who, on transfer to 
another coal mine does not dis- 
close his pievious membership is 
allotted a fresh account number 
and is treated as a new member. 
The registered membership etc 
includes such duplicate/trip! icatc 
account numbers of some of the 
live members. 

(d) 1. The following steps have b'en 

taken to increase live membership of the 
Fund 

(U Special investigation in coal mines 
where membership of the fuid is 
disproportionately low in compari- 
son to their respective employ- 
ment strength has been taken upto 
detect evasion m the matter of 
enrolment of new members. 

(u) Inspectors of the Coal Mines Pro- 
vident Fund have been notified as 
Inspectors for the purposes of 
section 48 of the Indian Mines Act, 
1952 so that they may exercise 
more thorough checks over atten- 
dance recoids to prevent evasions 
in enrolment. 

(lii) A suggestion made by the Adm - 
nistrative Reforms Department that 
the qualifying period of 4t r /60 days 
should be counted from the date 
a person joins colliery service for 
the first time and should be deemed 
to have completed at the end of 
the month in which the total atten- 
dance rises to the prescribed level 
is under consideration. 

2. As a result of steps already taken, 
live membership of the Fund is increasing. 

Leave and Finanbibl assistance to 
Sick Coal Miners 

2552. SHRI R. N. SHARMA : Will the 
Min ster OF LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 172 


(a) whether diseases like Pneumoconeois, 
silicosis are occupational diseases contracted 
by local miners by working in the mines 
but they are not given leave with pay by the 
mine owners for treatment for these diseases; 

(b) whether Government have made 
any arrangement to give financial assistance 
to the workers for undergoing treatment; 
and 

(c) if so, the financial assistance given ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) Pneumoconiosis and silicosis 
are occupational diseases. No special leave 
with wages is allowed under Mines Act for 
their treatment. However, annual leave with 
wages, as admissible, can be availed of for 
the purpose as well. 

(b) No. Miners affected by the*e disea- 
ses are, however, entitled to free treatment 
from the Hospitals of the Mines Labour 
Welfare Fund Organisations. 

(cj Does not arise. 

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SRAVANA It, 1894 [SAKA) 


Written Answers 174 


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Grievances of Trade Apprentices 

2555. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LITATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the genuine grievances of Trade Apprenti- 
ces on the score of nonab sorption in 
-egular employment after comoletion of 
heir apprenticeship periods, inadequacy of 

.stipends, and irregularity in payment of 
stipends; 

(b) whether in view of the acute unem- 
ployment situation. Government propose to 
ensure job opportunities for such trained 
apprentices; and 

(c) whether the Apprenticeship Act is 
going to be amended to improve the condi- 
tions of the trainee^ ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. K.HAD1L- 
KAR) : (a) and (b). Under the Appren- 

tices Act, 1%1, it is not obligatory on the 
pait of the employer to offer employment 
to the apprentices on completion of app en- 
ticeship training. However, majority of the 
successful apprentices find jobs aftei comp- 
letion of training though not necessarily all 
in the same establishment in which they 
have been trained It is expected that the 
number of job opportunities will increase 
substantially as a result of the implementa- 
tion of the development schemes under the 
Fourth Plan and the special employment 
piogrammes started since 1970-71, 

The queslion of lucrease in the 
rates of stipend was considered and the 
same have been increased by Rs. 20/-p. m. 
m all cases in August, 1971. No complaints 
of inadequacy of stipends have been received 
thereafter. The stipends to apprentices by 
the 10th of each month and no eomplaints 
regarding irregularity in payment have be i 
received. 


(c) It is proposed to amend the Appren- 
tices Act, 1961 so as to bring within 
its purview engineering graduates and dip- 
loma holders, to provids reservation of 
training places for Scheduled Caste and 
Scheduled Tribe candidates and to remove 
ceitain practical difficulties faced in the 
actual implementation of the Act. 

Non -celebration of Republic Day by Indian 
Commission at Hong Kong 

2556. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether no function to celebrate 
the Republic Day on January 26th, 1972 
was held by the Indian Commission at 
Hong Kong resulting in discontent amo-g 
the Indian citizens there; 

(b) if so, the icasons for the non- 
observance of this National Day; and 

(c) government’s reaction the 

matter ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 
Republic Day on 26th Jamnrv, 19/2, was 
celebrated by the Indian Commission at 
Hong Kong. As a measure of economy, 
no public Reception was he’d However, a 
seminar on the subject “India as I see it" 
was organised by the India Association with 
the assistance of the Commission. 

(b) Does not arre. 

(c) Does not arise 

Closure of Indian Libraries in Nepal 

2557 SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total numbei of tcadng rooms 
a^d ’ibiar es which India is maintaining in 
Kathmandu and other parts of Nepal; 
and 

(b) the number of libraries and read- 
ing rooms closed down there ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER T N THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) 
The total number of libraries being main- 



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Written Answers * 176 


tained by India in Nepal wtos six. Out of 
them, one is located in Kathmandu and five 
were in other parts of Nepal namely, 
Pokhra, Dhankuta, Nepalganj, Palpa and 
Birganj. No reading room is being main- 
tained by India anywhere in Nepal. 

(b) The five libraries maintained at 
Pokhra, Dhankuta, Nepalganj, Palpa and 
Birganj have been closed down. 

Condition of Public Sector Aluminium 
Projects 

7558. SHR1 PK. DEO : Will the 
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased 
to state : 

(e) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been drawn to a report published 
in the Economic Times of the 22nd June, 
1972 stating that the public sector alumini- 
um projects are in a muddle; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHR1 SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) The public sector aluminium pro- 
jects are not in a muddle as made out in 
the report. 

Seminar of Employment 

2559 SHRI M.M. JOSEPH : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any seminar on employ- 
ment was held in July, 1972 in New Delhi; 

(b) if so, the nature of discussions 
held; and 

(c) the decisions arrived at ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R.K. KHADIL- 
KAR) : (a) Government are not aware of 
any such seminar. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Unemployed Graduates from Delhi Rural 
Areas registered with Employment 
Exchanges 

2560. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the 


Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Graduates coming 
from Rural areas of Delhi who have 
got their names registered with the Employ- 
ment Exchanges in Delhi as on the 30th 
June, 1972; and 

(b) how many of them have been pro- 
vided with suitable services ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K. KHADIL- 
KAR) ■ fa) and (b). Information in respect 
ol graduates coming from Rural areas k 
not available separately. However, the 
information about the total number of 
registered job-seekers is given below : 

1. Total number of graduates 
(including Post-graduates) 
on the Live Rcg.ster as on 

30lh June, 1972. .. 22. 51 

2. Total number of graduates 
(including Post-graduates) 
placed in employment 
during January to June, 

1972. 1,169 

Increase in Prices of Steel by Firms 
Manufacturing Special Type 
of Steel 

2561. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether it has come to th? notice 
of Government that some firms who are 
manufacturing special types of steel are 
ai bi trarily raising the prices every six 
months; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government pro- 
pose to take to stop this ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). 
Prices of alloy and special steels are not 
controlled in order to encourage and deve- 
lop their production in the country. 

Representative Meeting of Public and 
Private Sector Firms at Ranchi 

2562. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHUR Y : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleasd to state : 



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Written Answers 178 


(a) whether the problems pertaining to 
the manufacture of equipments for the steel 
industry were discussed at a represen tat- ve 
meeting of public and private sector firms 
at Ranchi on the 29th July, 1972; 

(b) if so, the discussions held and 
decisions arrived at; and 

(c) the reaction of Goveinment there- 
to ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) The discussion, inter-ahu , related 
to maximization of indigenous production 
of plant and equipment manufacture in a 
coordinated and concerted manner, to meet 
the futuie requirements of steel production, 
standardization of equipment, import sub- 
stitution, cooidination between steel plants, 
HEC and private sector manufacturing 
units. 

(c) It has been decided that a Cell 
should be constituted by HEC to coordinate 
preparation of tenders, undertake inspections 
and monitor piogress of manufacture of 
equipment. It has also b^en decided that 
manufacturing drawings would he made 
available by HEC to the various units and 
for this purpose, assistance of the two mam 
Engineeiing Associations in the countiy 
would be taken. 

Transfer of Ropeways Scheme under Coal 
Board to Bharat Coking Coal 

2563. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 

KAKODKAR : 

SHRI SHR1K1SHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
that the two Ropeways Scheme in the Jharia 
coalfield which are under the charge of the 
Coal Board are to be transferred to Bharat 
Coking Coal; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) and (b). 


There is a proposal far transfer of ‘D’ & 
*F* Ropeways to the Bharat Coking Coal 
Ltd. as send from these Ropeways is mostly 
consumed by the collieries under them. 

Nationalisation of Tata Iron and Steel 
Company 

2564. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 

KAKODKAR : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
nationalise Tata Iron and Steel Company; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THF. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Taking over of Coal Washeries by Bharat 
Coking Coal 

2565. SHRI P.M. MEHTA : 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
that Bharat Coking Coal will take over four 
coal washeries which were hitherto under 
the charge of Hindustan Steel Limited; 
and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI 'SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) t (a) Yes, 
Sir 

(b) As a result of one of the recom- 
mendations made by the Technical 
Committee on Coal Washeries (1972) that 
with the nationalisation of coking coal 
mines, there should be a bet er coordination 
in the functioning of the coal production 
and coal washing units, it was felt that for 
efficient functioning, washeries should be 
owned and managed by the collieries them- 
selves. 



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Recommendation of NatioftHl Commit lee 
of Science and Technology to coost 
Steel Production in Durgapur 

'2566. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI : 

Wi'l the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whedvr Pilot plan in Durpapur to 
boost *fee' production has been recommen- 
ded by the Nat ona 1 Committee on Science 
and Techro T ogv; and 

(b) if so, how for this plan will help 
to boost the steel production ? 

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No, 
Sn. 

(b) Does rot arise. 

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Supply of Goods by Small Scale 
Industries to DGS St D 

2568. SHRI SATPAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of SUPPLY be pleased state : 

(a) the number of small scale industries 
registered with the Directorate General of 
Supplies and Disposals as on the 30rh June, 
1972, for the supply of goods to the Central 
Government; 

(b) the total quantity of goods procured 
by the Directorate General of Supplies and 
Disposal* indigenously during the last three 
years upto 30th June, 1972; 

(c) the percentage of goods purchased 
from these small scale industries during the 
same period; and 

(d) the steps Government propose to take 
to entourage the small scale mdustries and 
cooperative un»ts in the master of procure- 
ment of their products 9 

THE MINISTER OF SUPPLY (SHRI 
D R CHAVAN) . (a) As in the 30th, June 
1972, 8*1 small scale units were registered 
with the DGS & D. 

(b) and (ci. I formation on value of 
purchases from 1st April, J972 to 30th June, 
1972 is not yet availabel. However, the total 
purchases made f»om the indigenous 
sources during the last three years ending 
31st March, 1972, together with the percen- 
tage of purchases made from small Scale 
Industries, are furnished below : — 



Total value of 

Peicentage of 


stoies indigen- 

purchases 


ously purchased. 

from SSI Units. 

1969-70 

Rs. 430.79 croies 

7.4J% 

1970-71 

Rs. 518.30 cro es 

8 22% 

1971-72 

Rs. 752.77 crorcs 

11.44% 


(d) Directorate General of Supplies & 
Disposals makes purchases on the basis of 
the lowest technically acceptable offers after 
calling for ccmpetitive quotations. With 
view to encourage the small scale industries, 
in the case of certain items where offers are 
received both from large scale units as well 
as small scale units, t.'ie small scale units 



1$1 Written Answers 


SR WAN A 26, 1894 


Wrilen Answers 182 


are accorded an appropriate price preference 
upto a maximum of 15% on tender to 
tender basis, the actual quan'um of prefe- 
rence being decided on the merits of each 
case. Taking into consideration the nature 
of sto es and capability of small scale units 
to successfully handle them, 192 items as 
psr statemnet laid on the Teb’e of the 
Hous ^(Placed in Library See No. LT34 10/72), 
have been exclusively reserved for purchase 
from the small scale industries Other thihgs 
being equal, cooperative units in the small 
scale sector are given preference over o f her 
small scale units. 

Production in Indian Iron and Steel 
Company 

2569. SHRI S. R. DAMAN! : 

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether, after Government’s take 
over of IISCO, studies have been made of 
the pcoblems which caused a steep fall in 
its production, and 

(b) if so, the main features thercsof and 
the remedial measure^, adopted to step up 
production to normal levels ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. It was found that the mimed ate p;obl- 
ems hamparmg pioduction in IISCO were 
(a) shortage of coke and coke oven 
out of unsatisfactory state gas arising 
of coke ovens, (b) bad condition of 
cranes and ground-chargers in the S.M.S. 

(c) non-availability of material handling 
equipment. 

(b) For immediate improvement of 
production, arrangements are being made 
for procurement of coke from other produ- 
cers. Arrangements for the use of furnace 
oil in different production units in substitu- 
tion of gaseous fuels is being expedited. 
Procurement of engineering spares and 
equipment is being arranged for on a top 
priority basis. Arrangements have also been 
made to procure steel ingots from Durgapur 
Steel Plant to utilise the Rolling Mill 
capacities at Bumpur. Coal Tar is being 
obtained from the Durgapur Projects Ltd., 


the Djrgapur Steel Plant and the Bokaro 
Steel Plant to step up steel production at 
Bumpur. 

No 5 coke Oven Battery, which was 
shut d iwn years ago, has been put into 
operation with effect from 20-7-72. This has 
resulted in the additional production of 
about 200 tonnes of Blast Furnace Coke per 
day and has added somewhat to the avai- 
lability of Goke Oven Gas and Coal Tar. 

Other measures that have been taken to 
increase production to normal level are the 
following : — 

(0 Emergency and hot repairs to No. 
7, 8 and 9 Coke Oven Batteries. 

(u) Revival of No. 6 Coke Oven 
Battery at present shut down, soon 
after No. 5 Battery starts perform- 
ing satisfactorily. 

Iiii) Arrangements have been finalised 
for procurement of 2 Boilers to 
eliminate the chiomc shortage of 
steam m the Bumpur Works. 

(iv) Additional Locemotives are being 
obtained to facilitate the traffic 
arrangements within the Woaks. 

(v) Steps are being taken for renovation 

of oven Machines. 

^vi) Steps are being taken for recondi- 
tioning of cranes and other equi- 
pment 

(vii) Arrangements are being made for 
the expeditious procurement of 
additional Bulldo?ers, Loaders, 
Dumpers etc. 

Supply of raw material to Bokaro 
Steel Plant 

2570 SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : 
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Committee of officers has 
been set up recently to enquire into the 
question of short supply of raw materials to 
the Bokaro Steel plant; and 

(b) if so, the major findings and reco- 
mmendations of the Committee ? 



183 Written Answers 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers 184 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : 

(a) A Committee was set up by the 
Government in October, 1971 to : 

(i) review the arrangement for the 
supply of ijon ore to Bokaro Steel 
plant, as an interim measure and 
on a long term basis and to suggest 
sources; and 

(ii) reviaw and make recommenda- 
tions regarding the linkages of coal 
washencs for supply of coal to 
Bokaro Steel Plant at its different 
stag;s, 

(b> The Committee's report is expected 
to leceived shortly. 

Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 
Staff in Indian Bureau of Mines 

2571. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will 
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be 
pleased to state : 

(a) tie categoiv-wre <taff strength of 
Indian Bureau of Mines as on the 1st 
January, 1972 and the number rf employes 
belonging to Scheduled Castes and Schedu- 
led Tribes; 

(b) whe'hcr the resrvation quota for 
Scheeuled Castes and Scheduled Tubes has 


been maintained, if not the reasons there- 
for; and 

(c) the steps Government proposes to 
take fulfil the shortfall ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN): (a) A state- 
ment giving the information is enclosed. 

(b)&(c) Shortfall in respect of posts re erved 
foi Class 1 & 11 categones is due to non- 
availability of suitable candidates belonging 
to Scheduled Castes/Tnbes even after open 
advertisement. Nevertheless these posts will 
be renotied to Union public Service Commi- 
ssion for selection of Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes candidates. In 
regard to Class 111 & Class IV 

posts reserved vacanc.es are no fied to 
the president, Deprssed Class ' league, 
Bombay and to the local Associat ons of 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The 
pests h<»d also b.en advertised duung the 
last 2 years and even before luspite of these 
afforts, tl e Schedu’tu Castes arid Sched//’ed 
Tribes candidates foi the posts requmnng 
Technical and Sc enufic qualifications ae 
not available, Effoits will continue to be 
made to recruit Schidulcd Castes ^nd Schs- 
dulcd Tubes candidates against tlc.e potes 
by carrying forward the reservation, where- 
cvci required according to standing Govern- 
ment instructions on the subject. 


Statement 


S. No. 

Category 
of posts 

Filled up 
posts as 

on 

I 1.72 

Of the 
how 

filled 

many 

How manv carry forward 
vacancies reserved for S/C. 
S/T are available on date 
| S/T | S/T 

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s/c 

1 . 

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87 

4 

I 

11 

4 

2. 

Class. 11 

29 

3 

— 

1 

— 

3. 

Class. II 







(Non-gazetted) 3 

— 

— 

— 

— 

4. 

Class. Ill 

469 

:9 

19 

29 

11 

3* 

Class. IV 

180 

58 

9 

— 

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185 Wittten Answers 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 186 


South-East Asian Collective Securtry 

2572. DR, H. P SHARMA : Will the 
Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether some of the South East 
Asian countries are forming themselves into 
a group for collective security under the 
aegis of the U. S. A.; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) No 
such development has come to the nonce 
of the Government. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Modification of Labour Laws 

2573. DR. H. P. SHARMA Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- 
TATION be pleased to state the decisions 
taken to modify the labour laws in the 
light of the Gajcndragadkar Commission 
Report ? 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R K KHADIL- 
KAR) : It has been decided to amend 
the Plantations Labour Act for extending its 
application, reducing the maximum weekly 
hours of work, and provision of creches in 
plantations employing less than 50 women 
workers. The question of amending some 
other labout laws e g. the Payment uf 
Wages Act, the Industnal Disputes Act, 
and the Trade Unions Act is also 
being considered. 

Amendment of Labour laws to include 

cmployles drawing upto Rs. 1600 
among workers 

2574. SHRI D K. PANDA Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILl- 
TATION be pleased to state 

fa) whether a demand has been voiced 
by the national trade union centres and the 
woikers organisations to include the emplo- 
yees drawing upto Rs. 1600 per month 
among the workers by amending the 
Central Labour Laws; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction 
thereto ? 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) : (a) and (b) Government 
have not received any demand to th s 
effect. However, at the 29th Session of the 
Standing Labour Committee, held in July 
1970, the woikers’ representatives urged 
for a wage ceiling of Rs. 1600/- per mon'h 
for coverage of emp'oyees under the 
Industrial Disputes Act, 1947. Tfceir views as 
veil as those expressed by the employers’ 
representatives in th’s regard are under 
Government's consideration. 

Jammu and Kashmir Central Labour Union 

demands to Raise minimum wage in 
Public Undertakings 

2575. SHRI D. K. PANDA Will the 
M, mster of LABOUR AND REHABILITA 
TiON be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Jammu and Kashmir 
Cen ral Laboui Un on in its recent 
resolution has urged Central Government 
to raise the minimum wage of employees in 
all public undertakings to Rs. 200 pei 
month, and 

(b) if so, Governments reaction to ihis 
demand 9 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) . (a) and (b). Government 
has no information on the subject. 

Unemployment Insurance Scheme 

2576 SHRI D K PANDA : Will the 
Minister of LABOUR AND REHAB 1LI- 
ATION be pleased to state the ment 
bioad features of the proposed Une.nploy- 
lnvurancc Scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF L^OUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) D tails cf the Unemrh y- 
ment Insurance Scheme have not yet b; n 
worked out as no decision about its mtr» - 
duction has so far been taken 

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AUGUST 17, 1972 


Written Answers ] ? 8 


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Taking over of Hindalco 

2578. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 

DR. RANEN SEN : 

Will the Minister of STEEL AND 
MINES be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the U. P. Government have 

requested the Centre to take over Hindalco, 
Birla’s aluminium factory in M.rzapur 
District; and 1 

(b) if so, the decision taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES 
(SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : (a) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

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Bli Smuggling by SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


12.15 hrs. 

CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER 
OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE 

Rbportbd smuggling of foreign 

WATCHES, ETC., BY SOME EUROPEAN 

CONSULAR OFFICIALS IN CALCUTTA 

SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN (Kangra) : 
Sir, I call the attention of the Minister of 
External Affairs to the following matter of 
urgent public importance, and request that 
he may make a statement thereon : 

“The reported regular smuggling of 
foreign watches, cameras and other 
valuable restricted items into India 
for sale by a section of Consular 
officials representing European count- 
ries in Calcutta and steps taken by 
Government in this regard. ” 

THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL 
AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Two 
cases of smuggling of contraband item by 
members of the Consular Corps in Calcutta 
weie detected recently. They were imme- 
diately brought to the attention of the Heads 
of their lespective Missions in New Delhi. 
As a result, both the persons have alieady 
been sent back ftom India. The contraband 
goods in both the cases were seized by the 
Government. 

Necessary steps continue to be taken to 
pi event and detect such cases. 

SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : Sir, India 
has become a paradise for smuggleis and 
our ports have become smuggling dens. 
Calcutta and Bombay top the list. 

Gold is being smuggled diamond is 
being smuggled. Luxury goods like 
record players, watches and cameras 
are smuggled. Some people in every class 
are involved in smuggling and to top it all, 
we have certain personnel of the diploma- 
tic corps who are involved in this racket. 

Recently, in the Hindustan Times dated 
3rd August, there was a news item to the 
effect that crores of rupees worth of foreign 
watches and cameras and other restricted 
items of value are being regularly smuggled 
into India for sale by a section of consular 
officials; the contraband material is impor- 


Consular Official's in 190 
Calcutta \Ca) 

ted through the privilege of inspection-free 
clearance. 

No*, in the present state of affairs, my 
questions are : has any effort been rftade to 
modify this law so that those who are invol- 
ved m the smuggling are tried by the 
ordinary law of the land. 

Secondly, how many businessmen and 
traders have been arrested, who are connec- 
ted with these foreign personnel and what 
is the number and in which parts of the 
country they have been caught. 

Thirdly, what steps are the Government 
taking to prevent smuggling by the diplo- 
matic corps in future ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : With regard 
to the first question, there is no proposal 
to modify the law, because we have subscri- 
bed to the Vienna conventions, and if the 
members of the diplomatic corps are contra- 
vening the law, then we can inspect the 
consignments. Actually, the consignments 
in two cases which I have mentioned, were 
inspected and contraband articles were 
confiscated. 

I have no information about any busi- 
nessmen having been arrested in smuggling 
cases, because that will be a wider question. 
We got these two consignments, and in 
these two cases, the consignments were 
actually inspected, and the contraband arti- 
cles were confiscated. Tney are Government 
pioperly now. 

About the steps to be taken. I would 
not like the hon. Member to press us ro 
divulge the steps because the very object 
that we intend to secure will be defeated if 
they are disposed. The steps that we have 
taken have enabled us recently to detect 
two consignments, and the fact that the^>e 
cons'gnments have been detected and the 
articles have been confiscated, itseif, I hope 
will put the fear of God and law into the 
minds of these people, at any rate, of the 
diplomatic corps who might be indulging in 
this type of activities. 

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first time How long that was going on, I 
cannot say. 

SHRI ANANT PRASAD DHUSIA : 
What was the amount involved in this ? 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH : There two 
consignments which we have detected were 
quite substantial. Goods w'orth Rs 23 lakhs 
were involved. 

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SHRI SWARAN SINGH: With regard 
to the proposal made by the hon. Member I 
should like to thank him; it is a good pro- 
posal and I shall request my colleague the 
Finance Minister to take note of this. 
About his second question I have purposely 
not given the names of the countries to 
whom these two diplomats belonged and I 
should appeal to the hon. Member not to 
press me to do so. In one case the con- 
signment itself was abandoned in the sense 
that the person in whose name the consign- 
ment was sent said I have nothing to do 
with it and we had to open it in the pre- 
sence of the officer of the customs depai t- 
ment and other respectable persons and 
contraband goods valued 18 lakhs weie 
found in that consignment But he dis- 
claimed any connection with it. These a*e 
the types of d flLultios that we face in such 
cases. 

SHRI NIHAR L ASKAR (Karimganj): 
We have drawn attention to this fact be- 
cause we arc all concerned at the way smug- 
gling is increasing Government had also 
come out with a statement that unauthorised 
use of foreign exchange is to the extent of 
Rs 240 crorcs. They asked certain commi- 
ttees to go into this and they have given 
certain recommendations also. Would the 
Government implement those recommenda- 
tions or think of other ways to stop this7 

SHRI SWARAN SINGH: I am sure 
that my colleague the Finance Minister is 
fully seized of this matter. 

12.43 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 

Industrial Disputes (Central) 
(Amendment) Rules, 1972 

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. KHADIL- 
KAR): I beg to lay on the Table a copy of 



193 f Papers laid 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


S. C. Report 194 


the Industrial Disputes (Central) (Amend- 
ment) Rules, 1472 (Hindi and English ver- 
sions) published in N itiflcation No. GSR. 
795 in Gazette of India dated the 1st July, 
1972, under sub-section (4) of sec 1 ion 38 of 
the Idustrial Disputes Act, 1947. [. Placed in 
Library . See No. LT-3406/' 2] 

Notification, under Passports Act. 1967 
and Extradition Act, 1962. 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
(SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): I beg to 
lay on the Table: — 

(J) A copy each of the following 
Notifications (Hindi and English 
versions) under sub — section (3) 
of section 24 of the Passports 
Act, 1967:— 

(i) G S.R. 285 (E) published in 
Gazette of India dated the 
25th May, 1972 

(ii) G S R. 286 (E) published in 
Gazatte of India dated the 
25th May, 1972 

(lii) The Passports (Second Amend 
ment) Rules, 1972, published 
in Notification No. G S R 317 
(E) in Gazette of India doted 
the 21st June, 1972 [Placed in 
Library. See No. LT-3407/72] 

(2) A copy each of the following Noti- 
fications (Hindi and Engl sh ver- 
sions) under section 35 of the 
Extradition Act, 1962: — 

(i) G.S R. 34 (E) published in 
Gazette of India dated the 
20th January, 1972 extending 
the provisions of the Extradi- 
tion Act, 1962 to the United 
Kingdom of Great Britain 
and Northern Ireland. 

(ii) G.S.R, 35 (E) published in 
Gazette of India dated the 
20th January, 1972 extending 
the provisions of the Extradi- 
tion Act, 1962 to the Republic 
of Singapore. 


(lii) Erratum to the Hindi version 
of the above notifications 
published jn Gazette of India 
dated the 1st March, 1972 
f Placed in Library. See No. 
LT- 3-408/72] 


MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report the 
following messages received from the Secre- 
tary of Rajya Sabha :— 

(i) “In accordance with the provisions 
of rule 127 of the Rules of Proce- 
dure and Conduct of Business in 
the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to 
inform the Lok Sabha that the 
Rajya Sabha, at its sitting held on 
the I4th August, 1972, agreed 
without any amendment to the 
Diplomatic- Relations (Vienna 
Convention) Bill, 1972, which was 
passed by the Lok Sabha at its 
sitting held on the 9th August, 
1972 ” 

(ii) “In accordance with the provisions 
of rule 111 of the Rules of Proce- 
dure and Conduct of Business in 
the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to 
enclose a copy of the Victoria 
Memorial (Amendment) Bill, 1972 
which has been passed by the Rajya 
Sabha at its sitting held on the 
14th August, 1972.” 


VICTORIA MEMORIAL (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

As passed by Rajya Sabha 

SECRETARY . Sir, I also lay on the 
Table of the House the Victoria Memorial 
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, as passed by Rajya 
Sabha. 


12.45 hrs. 

CENTRAL SALES TAX (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

(i) Report of Select Committee 

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR- 
KAR (Gulbarga) : I beg to present the 



19 5 Bills introduced 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


196 


[Shri Dharamrao Afzalpurkar] 

Report of the Select Committee on the Bill 
further to amend the Central Sales Tax 
Act, 1956. 

(n) Evidence 

SHRI DH/RAMRAO AFZALPUR- 
KAR : 1 beg to lay on the Table a copy of 
tie Evidence (Volumes I & II) given before 
the Select Committee on the Bill further to 
amend the Cental Sales Tax Act, 1956. 


WILD LIFE (PROTECTION) BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : Sir, 1 beg to move for 
leave to introduce a Bill to provide for the 
protection of wild animals a i d birds and 
for matter* connected therewith or ancillary 
and incidental thereto. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 
“That leave be granted io introduce a 
Bill to provide for the protection of 
wild animals and b.rds and for matters 
connected therewith or anc.llary and 
incidental thereto.” 

The motion was adopted. 

PROF. SHER SINGH * I introduce the 
Bill. 


SEEDS (AMENDMENT) BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P, SH1NDE) : I beg to move 
for leave to introduce a Bill to amend the 
Seeds Act, 1966. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

“That leave be gtanted to introduce a 

Bill to amend the Seeds Act, 1966.” 

The motion m as adopted 

SHRI ANNASAI EB P. SHINDE : I 
introduce f hc Bill. 


12.47 hrs. 

CONSTITUTION (THIRTIETH AMEND- 
MENT) BILL 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H R. GOKHALE) : Sir, I beg 
to move : 

•That the Bill further to amend the 

Constitution of India be taken into 

consideration.” 

The Bill proposes to amend the Article 
133(1) of the Constitution in order to do 
away with the value of the subject matter 
of dispute as a criterion for exercise of the 
appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court 
in civil matters. 

The minimum limit of Rs. 20,000/- 
mentioned in clause (a) of Article 133(1) 
was fixed in 1950 at the time of passing of 
the Constitution. In 1969. tt was felt that 
m view of the change in the value of the 
rupee, the limit wa* too low and the juris- 
d etion of the Supreme Court should not 
be invoked unless a larger amount was 
involved. A Bill proj Oiing to iare this 
limit to Rs. i lakh was introduced in 1969 
in the Rajya Sabha. The then Law 
Commission was consulted about the Bill 
and the Commission even it that time felt 
that it was some what inappropriate that 
cases whether fit or unfit for consideration 
of the Supreme Court should be allowed to 
go to the Court merely on the basis of the 
value of the property in dispute. The Law 
Commission then took the view that appeal 
should lie only on a Certificate of fitness 
granted by the High Court under clause (c) 
of Article 133(1) and that clauses (a) and (b) 
may be deleted. The B II, however, was 
passed by the Rajya Sabha in August 1970. 
The Bill lapsed as the Lok Sabha was since 
then dissohed. 

The Law Commission was thereafter 
again consulted. In its 44th Report, the 
Commission recommended that an appeal 
should lie to the Supreme Court only if the 
High Court certifies that the case is a fit 
one for appeal to the Su reme Court. 
According to the Law Commission, the 
valuation test diiCriranated unfairly between 


^Published in Gazettee of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2. dated 17.8.72 



197 Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 18n ( S4KA ) 


(30th AmJt .) Bill 198 


the rich litigant and the poor. L tigation 
should normally end in the High Court and 
only exceptional circumstances should justi- 
fy recourse to the Supreme Court. 

Before the matter could be processed 
further, I re -considered the matter agaia 
and thought it fit to refer the question to 
the newly constituted Law Commission 
under the Chairmanship of Dr P B. 
Gajendragadkar The new Law Commission 
has recommended that the right of appeal 
should be available only in cases where the 
High Court certifies that the case involves a 
substantial que tion of law of general 
importance and that in the opinion of the 
High Court the said question needs to be 
decided by the Supreme Court. 

Each case decided by the High Court 
should not go by way of appeal to the 
Supreme Court and a line has to be drawn 
to indicate in what type of cases, an appeal 
should lie. But to draw this line merely on 
(he value of the property irrespective of the 
merits of the appeal woulo not have been a 
rational ap roach apart from the fact that 
it discriminated unfairly between the rich 
and the poor. 

According to the pro osed amendment, if 
the case really involves a substantial ques- 
tion of law of general importance, then the 
Hfgh Court can certify the same irrespective 
of the value consideration and no case 
would be prejudiced if the valuation test is 
completely done away with. The Ch cf 
Justice of India was also consulted by the 
Law Commission and the Commission has 
stated in its report that the Chief Justice 
personall> approved the changes proposed. 

As Hoq’ble Members would have noticed 
the Bill also has incorporated transitional 
provisions. The Law Commission has 
recommended that the proposed amendment 
should not apply (1) to any apoeal pending 
in the Supreme Court on the date of its 
commencement and (b) to any judgment, 
decree or final order by the High Court in 
respect of which a certificate under the 
unamended article has already been obtained 
though an appeal has not been tiled in the 
Supreme Court on such certificate and that 
the amendment should apply to any judg- 
ment, decree or final order which was 
pronounced or passed before or after the 
date of commencement of the amendment, 


if it has arisen in a civil proceeding 
commenced in the High Court or any lower 
court befo e the said date. 

Broad’y speaking, the object of the 
proposed amendment is (l) to remove the 
abnoxious discrimination based merely on 
the value of the property and to give to the 
rich and the poor litigant an equal chance 
of going to the Supieme Court in appeal; 
(2) to remove the unnecessary burden on the 
highest Court of appeal caused on account 
of appeals coming to it merely on the va’ue 
of the property irrespective whether the 
appeal had merit in it or not; and (3) to 
give finality to the judgments of the High 
Courts in matters which do not involve sub- 
stantial questions of law of general import- 
ance and which questions in the op ; nion of 
the High Court need not be decided by the 
Sup/eme Court. 

Sir, I commend that the Bill be taken 
into consideration. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA 
(Begusarai) : Sir, may I raise a point of 
order, particularly of propriety l Is it 
proper to refer to any opinion given by 
the Chief Justice of India ? Would It not 
preempt the discussion and the consideration 
of this matter ? Shou’d it be mentioned ? 
Sir, I would seek your views on this 
matter. 

MR SPEXK.ER : It is mentioned in the 
context of the Law Commission. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDXN MISHRA : 
If the h'ghest juiiciary has given an opinion 
in this mat er, whnt is the use of having a 
discussion in the House now wards ? 

MR SPEXICER : After all, we are 
amending the Constitution when so many 
things are said We have been doing it in the 
past Thongh we are immune, in spite of 
that, we do not show any disrespect to the 
judiciary. At the same tim‘, we have been 
referring to many things without any 
idea of showing disrespect. 

Now motion moved : 

•That the Bill further to ameid the 
Constitution of India be taken into Conside- 
ra ion.” 



199 Constitutions 


AUGUST 17 1972 


(30th Arndt.) BiU 200 


[Mr. Speaker] 

Since this is a Constitution Amend- 
n ent Bill, there will be recording of votes 
and the special majority of not less than 
fifty pei cent of the total membcis and two- 
thirds of the membeis present and voting 
is necessary. We will have the voting at 
3 0* Clock. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 
(Burdwan) Wh le supporting this amendment 
Bill 

MR SPEAKER : So, it is a non-coi tro- 
versial Bill. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJFE : A 
coutroversy was embodied m the Constitu- 
tion in 1950 and not now. Now ikat 
contio\ersy is being ended. 1 his was an 
in omaly that unfortunately crept into the 
Constitution in the >c. r 1950. It seems that 
we have followed the 'egacies of the British 
days when, in the Civil Procedure Code of 
this country, which was fiamed in 190K 
the appeal to the Privy Council was allowed 
on the basis of the valuation test. This 
was ore of the, if I may say so, invidious 
discriminations that has been embod ed in 
the Consti'ution in the year 1950 when the 
Supreme Couit should have been constituted 
only for the purpose of laying down unif< rm 
laws in this country to be followed by all 
the different High Courts in India and for 
general application to the citizens. 

Thetefcre, we ae happy that the irrati- 
onal s.anda.d which has been laid down in 
the Constitution is now' being got rid of 
Instead of valuation test, now the test to be 
applied is that the subject-matter should 
justify the scrutiny by the highest court in 
the country. 

So far as valuation test is concerned, 
I find, at least m countries wheie the 
common law is practised, namely, in 
England in House of Lords, the Supreme 
Court in USa, no valuation test is being 
followed there. Also, in France, West 
Germany and Russia, there is no valuation 
test. The real test is the importance of. the 
subject-matter which should be brought 
before the highest court in the country. 

So far a* some of the aspects are con* 
cerned— we are experiencing it every day — 
in view of the recent appointments 
and the fall in the general standaid 


in the High Court judiciary, it may be 
that in all cases we cannot shut out an 
appeal to the highest court in the country 
specially in matters of article 226 which 
govern fundamental rights of the citizens of 
the country. We have been having various 
types of decisions specially m casses of 
service matters w'here questions of dismiss- 
als aie mvo ved, where the public service 
is concerned and whe e industrial relations 
are concerned Till now, we find that there 
has been convderab’e uncertainty in the 
law that his been laid down in diffeient 
High Courts of the country. Because this 
valuation test has not been made applicable 
to manv cases under article ">26 of the 
Constitution, there was difficulty. Always 
an approach was made that the valuation 
test is not satisfied and the courts were not 
satisfied that the cases were fit cases of 
appeal to the Supreme Court. Therefore, 
we would have liked, in certa.n cases, it 
should have been as a matter or right thit 
recourse Could be taken to the Supreme 
Court of India In ca^es of service matters, 
particularly, in ca es of wirngful d is issa's 
eithei fp'in the Government service or 
from p'lvate sci vice and in cases of 
industrial relations, industrial disputes, 
it should have been as a matter of right 
that recourse can be taken to the Supreme 
Court of India. 

There is another matter to which I 
wish to draw the attention of the hon. 
Minister. So far as the Supreme Court is 
concerned, undoubtedly, we want that it 
should be taken recourse to as a last resort, 
as the hon. Minister himself pointed out. 
We want that the Supreme Court should 
lay down certain la.v.s which should be 
made applicable all over the country 
uniformly But in various cases which even 
iuvolve substant.al questions of law, there 
is great difficulty for ordinary people to 
approach the Supreme Court because of 
the costs involved. The hon. Minister 
himself sa*d that there is a discrimination 
between he poor and the rich because the 
valuation test is there. The valuation test 
is going. But even if the valuation test has 
gone, in c ses which involve substantial 
questions of law, the recourse can only be 
taken to the Supreme Court provided the 
High Court grants a certificate or the 
Supreme Court grants leave to appeal under 
article 136 of the Constitution. 



201* Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


(30th Arndt,) BUI 202 


We know from our daily experience 
that in very many cases, say, for example, 
the case of habeas corpus , the case of 
industrial tribunal awards, where directly 
appeals are being filed m the Supreme 
Court under ai tide 136, the hligants and 
tiade unions are having gieat difficulty 
because of lack of resources. Mr. Gokhale 
has the experience of the Supreme Court. 
How many trade unions or employees who 
had to go before the court could be 
properly represented ? On one side, we have 
seen Mr. Gokhale, Mr Daphtary, the 
great luminaries of the Bar appearing for 
the employers. So far as employees are 
concerned, who are there to represent 
them ? They can hardly go to any compe- 
tent lawyeis because of lack of jesources. 
We ate thinking so much about the people 
that they should have access to the Supreme 
Court of India for redressal of their 
grievances, that such a law shou’d be laid 
down as would uniformly apply to all the 
people of the country and that any section 
of people should not get anv extra benefit 
under the Constitution of this country, but 
what arc you providing for the poor people 
for the poo, litigants 7 Therefore, it is 
essential in particular cases like dismissal 
cases in servee matters, matters relating 
to industrial . ... 

MR SPEAKER • The hon Member may 
continue his sppe-.ch after Lunch 

The hon members may please note 
that the voting shall be at 3 00 p. m 

We adjourn for lunch to reassemble at 
2 00 P m 

13 hrs. 

The Lok Sabha adjourned for Luncb till 
Fourteen of the Clock . 

The Lok Sabha re : cn sen bled after Lunch 
at Fourtteenof the Clock 

[Mr. Deputy Splaker m the Chair,] 

SHRI SAMAR GUH\ (Contai) * Sk, 
there is a report in this morning Hindustan 
Times about the Freedom Fighters. We 
wanted them to come to Delhi, we wanted 
to honour them but they ian away as fast 
as they could in a mood of regret. This is 
T the report appeared in the Hindustan Times 
today. There is a picture aso. It says : 


"‘Hungry Heroes in back seats get 1 Tamra 
Patti' from chosen 27. Sir, I went to see 
them off yesterda\ night. Some of them 
shed tears. This is the report of the paper : 

*“It looked like a refugee camp. A group 
of old— some of them infirm — people sat 
huddled together on torn and dirty 
mattresses spread on the floor m a small 
dingy room.” 

Thev had no food ..(Interruptions) Sir, this 
is not a Partv matter. Not only this, in the 
front row of the Diwan-e-Aam the officials 
and the Children sat and the fr*edom fighters 
weic given the back seats. 

Sir, it was a very novel idea to honour 
the freedom fighters It was really a sacred 
idea, but it was executed so shabb ly, so 
disgracefully. I would request the Govern- 
ment to go into this matter and who were 
the officers asked to look after the arrange- 
ments for their food and lodging. That 
should be looked into and the Government 
should apo’ogisc to the fieedom fighters 
( Interruptions ) 

MR, DEPUTY SPEAAER : No more 
p’cace 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanp.r) : 
We gave a call attention nonce. Theic is a 
strike going on by 75,000 cement woikers 
throughout the country I only wanted you 
to convey our feelings to Shn Raj Bahadur. 

He is thcie. Let the Labour Minister 
make a statement on the sti ike by 75,000 
cement wo.keis throughout the countiy. It 
will impede cement prod act ion m the 
country 

SHRI JAGANN ATHRAO JOSHI (Sha 
japgr) rose. 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ■ No. please. 
M 1 Somnath l hatterjee. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I hope the 
Minister of Par lumen ary Affairs has taken 
note of it and someihing should be said 
atnut it. Some of the old Members we sent 
to see th.‘m off. They actually shed tears... 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Order, 
p ease. You have nude a submission. It s 
on record. It is for the Government to take 
note of it. 

Mr. SOMNATH CH \TTERJEE. 



203 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30th Admt.) Bill 204 


14*04 brs. 

CONSTITUTION (THIRTIETH 
AMENDMENT) BILL— Contd. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : As 
I was submitting a large section of people 
found it difficult to approach the Supreme 
Court due to lack of resources and funds. 
It is essential that some scheme for provi- 
ding legal aid is established by the Govern- 
ment. 

In those cases where poor people are 
involved, they find the greatest difficulty. 
They are shut out from coming before the 
Supreme Court for lack of funds, especially 
in cases where service matters are involved, 
in cases of dismissals, in cases of industrial 
disputes, etc. etc. Special provisions should 
be made for providing legal aid to them. I 
believe, this is one of the principles which 
should be adopted by a welfare State. Legal 
aid should be made available to the ordi- 
nary people, to the poor people, who cannot 
afford to come to the courts on their own 
resources. 

There is another point which I wish to 
bring to the attention of the hon. Minister 
and this is about the provision for security 
as to costs. There is a provision for paying 
Rs. 2,000 as deposit for filing an appeal in 
all cases excepting criminal cases. This 
requirement is placing considerable strain on 
the ordinary litigants to pursue their appeals 
before the Supreme Court. The Minister 
may say this is a matter which should be 
left to the discretion of the Supreme Court. 
We wish that these are provided in suitable 
legislation .In certain cases court fees are to 
be paid. In all cases security for costs 
should not to be taken; it is notincumbent 
that such security should be provided at 
all. So far as the Supreme Court appeals 
are concerned it is very essential that this 
requirement should be done away with. 

So far as the ordinary, people the poor 
people, of this country are concerned, they 
should not be thought of only during the 
elections. Sir, let us not insult the poor 
people of the country. Let them not be 
used as pawns during the election time only. 
Let us do something so that they can feel 
that there is a proper approach made on 
the part of the Government. So far as the 


question of litigation is concerned, certain- 
ly, Sup r eme Court appeals should be on 
the basis that there should be no discrimi- 
nation and proper provision should be made 
giving full opportunities to the ordinary 
people of the country to come on appeals to 
the Supreme Court. 

One of the reports of the Law Commi- 
ssion mentions about arrears in the courts. 
Even in the Supreme.Court, between 1965 and 
1970, about five thousand cases remained to 
be disposed of. There are a thousand cases 
accumulating in the Supreme Court year by 
year. In the Statement of Objects and Reaso- 
ns we find that the amendment of the 
Aiticle accordingly would curtail the number 
of appels which are filed in the Supreme 
Court merely on the valuation test being 
satisfied without any merit in them. So far 
as frivolous appeals are concerned, to the 
extent, they could be done away with, we 
support this. But merely making a provision 
that valuation test neeJ not be fulfilled will 
not solve the problem of arrears. For this 
difficult problem comine up before the sup- 
reme Court, a different approach is necessary. 
A porper appioach should be made, taking 
into consideration the Code of Civil Proce- 
dure and offier procedural laws. Adequate 
steps should be taken to get rid of these 
arrears The Supreme Court should be the 
watch-dog for the common people of the 
country so that their fundametal rights are 
protected from executive tyranny, We want 
that the Supreme Court should be allowed to 
play its part. The High Courts should also 
be given proper opportunities to play their 
part. In the High Courts, so for as the 
judicialst ani ard is concerned, there has not 
been a rise, if not an actual fall. These 
matters should be looked into from various 
points of view. There should be an integra- 
ted approach. Piecemeal legislations will 
not solve the problem. With these words, I 
support the Bill. 

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2(1$. Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1899 (SAKA) 


{30th Admt.) Bill 205 


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“The valuation is not a rational yard- 
stick for a right to appeal. 1 ' 

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“In consideriiig what limit should be 
assigned to the power of appealing, 
our leading maxim is, that it is the 
interest of the commonwealth to have 
an end of law suits. No man has a 
right to unlimited draughts on the 
time and money of the public in order 
t get his private affairs settled as he 
wishes. The State’s duty is discharged 
when it has provided such a reasona- 
ble amount of attention and skill and 
honesty as will satisfy reasonable men 
that their causes have been decided, 
erroneously or otherwise, on the 
merits, and according to the best 
ability of the Judges...”. 

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“We have looked at the laws of some 
olhSr countries to ascertain if the e 
are comparable p ovisions for appeils 
to the highest c nirt of the land. In 
England, an appeal to the House of 
Lords needs leave from the court of 
appeal or from the House itself. 
Conditions in India are, of course, 
not the same as in England, but the 
English experience is valid to show 
that such an arrangement can work 
without d.fficulty. Some countries 
like Australia, Canada, and Switzer- 
land still retain the valuation test for 



207 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30rh Admt.) Bill 208 


appeals to the highest Tribunal, while 
in other countries like France, West 
Germany, USA and USSR, the va ue 
of the subject-matter is not relevant.” 

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«ft errpr fesr strt ^rFf% t 

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*fit frqtt % antjR frr ’far? 

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| I ?TT<T% rirft^t gjfa JTTTT fe?r | | 
*Rt9> f?rif ^t fcT9rr ir arrcR mp rrfej? 
fairrt i stffarr t ??fat hu? tvit 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO (Chatrapur): 
I rise to support the Bill which is a whole- 
some measure which seeks to remove the 
valuation test as a criterion for invoking the 
jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. 

This Bill is based on the principle that 
all are equal before the law. The Consti- 
tution speaks of a new order based on social 
justice and equality. The disparities between 
the rich and poor are being now sought to 
be removed. This Bill is really welcome in 
the sense (hat the ‘valuation test’ viz., that 
the value of the subject-matter of the dis- 
pute m the court of first instance or that 


find order involves some claim respecting 
property of a like amount before it is 
appealable to the Supreme Court is now be- 
ing removed and the only criterion that is 
n >w imposed is that the case should involve 
a substantial question of law of general 
importance and it is a fit case in the opinion 
of the High Court to be decided by the 
Supreme Court. Thereby an invidious dis- 
tinction which now exists between the rich 
and poor is being removed. The rich man 
his the right to go to the Supreme Court 
because the value of the subject-matter of 
the dispute is Rs 20,000, whereas the poor, 
however valid his right be, is denied this 
right because the money value of the case 
is less than Rs 20,000. The amendment 
ensures that the rich and poor are equally 
treated and there is no discrimination 
against the poor. This will lead to a healthy 
practice in future. 

This Bill will be on the same analogy as 
sec. 100 of the Civ:l Procedure Code which 
deals with second appeals to the High Court 
only on a point of law. A furthei appeal to 
the Supreme Court is in the nature of a 
secon dappeal. It should only be substantial 
questions of law of general importance that 
should be the guiding principle attracting 
the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. 

This amendment has come at a tim^ 
when we are new set on a big p.ogramme 
of narrowing the disparity between rich and 
poor and build a new order based on the 
solid foundation of social justice and equa- 
lity Therefore, the House should welcome 
it I am glad that all sections of the House 
have welcomed the measure. I also extend 
my welcome to it. 

Shri Somnath Chatterjee referred to the 
question of legal aid to the poor. He him- 
self is a lawyer appearing in the High Court 
of Calcutta and the Supreme Court. Has 
he appeared for a poor litigant without 
charging fee ? 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Yes. 
I have never appeared for an employer. 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : I am glad. 
But how many lawyers are there who have 
done so ? Therefore, it is for the lawyers 
themselves to evolve a code. 



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(30th Arndt ) Bill 210 


SHRr SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 
Everybody cannot afford it. It is very d ffi- 
cult. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE - Let him not 
deal with individuals. 

SHRI JAG ANN \TH RAO Because 
he referred to it, it is a valiJ question. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: Why 
does he not ask Government to frame rules? 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO: How can 
Government do it? Let the lawye s them- 
selves evolve a code. Let there be a panel 
in the Supreme Court, the High Couits, 
District Courts. There are Bar associations. 
Let them in tun appeir for the poor liti- 
gant without accepting fee This is the 
only way in which leaal aid to the poor 
can be o r ganised. It is not for G we nment 
to p»escnbe it. The poor litigant has the 
facility in forma pauperis. He cannot go 
to the High Court or Supreme Court. You 
cannot also compel a lauy'r to argue for 
him free. Therefore, if is for eminent law- 
yers well p’aced in life to evolve a code of 
conduct and a system for affording legal aid 
to the poor 

l think the Law Commission aKo has 
recommended in one of its reports on this 
mattet. I believe in the new provision that 
is being inserted in the Code of Criminal 
P o.edurc which is being amended there is 
reference to legal aid to the poor. These 
are provisions which Government also are 
thinking of 

This Bill is in the right direction, is 
least controversial and does not need much 
debate. I support it wholeheartedly. 

SHRI A.K SEN (Calcutta-North-WesD: 
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir. I am very happy 
that this measure has been bi ought and an 
anomaly which is the creation of olden days 
is sought to be removed. Those were the 
days when the ultimate court of appeal was 
the Privy Council in England The valu- 
ation test was a very important test and 
certain tights of appeal were conferred as 
a matter of course depeding upon the value 
of the subject-matter of litigation. That crit- 
erion is completely antiquated and when the 
Constitution adopted it, I am sure it adopted 
it more by the pressure of tradition than by 


considerations of the merit of the matter. 

I am glad that the Law Minist'r has now 
sought to implement the recommendations of 
the Law Commission on the question. 

I am a little unhappy — though possibly, 
practically it may not make much difference 
— about the deletion of the fitness clause m 
article 133. But I have no doubt that 
when the courts interpret this provision, 
they will consider fitness on the ground of 
public importance and on sound questions 
of law. Therefore, possibly, when tie 
interpretation is evolved by the courts, 
the r e will not be much difference and fitness 
will still remain a very important criterion 
for justifying appeals to the Supreme Court. 

I support wholeheartedly Mr Somnath 
Chatterjee’s plea for legal aid to the poor. 
In no civilised country docs the legal pro- 
fession except in a haphazard manner, 
expend legal aid to the poor. If it has to 
be done on an effective and ratio lal basis, 
it can only be done whe.e a proper scheme 
foi legal aid to the poor is evolved by the 
State A Scheme was evolved by the Law 
Ministry a long time ago — 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
Have a ceiling on lawyer’s fees. 

SHRI A. K. SEN : It is already there 
because the Government is the biggest 
partner for all handsome fees. Ceiling will 
be meaningless because that ceiling is al- 
ready thare by the Income-tax law There- 
fore You w II find that really there is 
a ceiling upon lawyer',* income like all other 
incomes That is the reason why m many 
cases the top lawyers do not accept fees in 
deserving cases. It has been a tradition 
always with good lawyers to extend their 
help to poor litigants. 1 say this in answer 
to Mr Jagannath Rao’s remark that many 
lawyers do cases free for poor litigants at 
least on some occasions. 

SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI (Amioha): 
Veiy tew. 

SHRI A. K. SEN : I can tell you at 
least from the High Court where I come 
from and Shri Somnath Chatterjee comes 
from, it has been the tradition of the Bar 
to extend help to poor litigants. 



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AUGUST 17. 1972 


(30th Admt.) Bill 212 


SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY 
(Nizamabad) : Wi s he your client at any 
time ? 

SHRI A K SEN * He is we'come pro- 
vided he has a moral claim ! ( Interruptions ). 
That, of course, is a matter not purely 
confined to the Supieme Court. It assumes 
rather an important pioporiion while we 
come to the Supreme Court because it is 
easier for a litigant to approach the Head- 
qu: ters for the high court, though it is also 
expensive there, but for people to come all 
the way to the Supn m Cou 1 1 , pay securities 
a d so on, is d'fficult. The cost of printing 
p per-books be omes sometimes prohibitive. 
Of course, fortunately, the tiade unions 
who represent the emp'o'ees take up the 
burden and molify the effect of it, but in 
many cases, 1 know personally, it vo ks 
hardship for poor litigants part cularly in 
respect of litigation in the Supreme Court. 

14. 23 hrs. 

SHRI K. N. TIWARI in the Charr 

One hon. Member has right'y snd that 
the cost of living in a hotel nowadays has 
become prohibitive for many people and to 
engage a la»v\e; here adds to the co^t con- 
s»derably. I think tfw Law Minister will 
rake up the old file and find out the old 
scheme worked out by hs own Ministry at 
one time. It was thrown to the cold storage 
because the then Finance Minister tho ght 
that it was immoral to subsidise l.tiganon. 
And I failed to convisce him — (Interruption). 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : My 
suggestion is that the lawyer’s fee should 
not be more than R* 51 a day. 

SHRI A K. SEN : That is very good 
I think the same limitation should be pro- 
portionately borne by everybody including 
Members of Parliament, There is no diffi- 
culty about it. That is a different matter. 

"We are now talking of legal aid to the poor 
and this is a rational system adopted by 
every civilised country. I can tell you 
that the cause of law has become so popjlar 
in countries like England after the system 
of egal aid to the poor was worked out 
with success and law courts were no longer 
barred to poor litigants. In our times, 
when we were students, I remember the 
terrific complaints which used to be made 
gainst the high cost of litigation which 
^■erred poor litgants from seeking redress, 
oday he whole system has been so changed 


and the legal profession has also benefited 
by moderate fees. At the same time a 
poor litigant in every case including divorce 
cases gets justice before courts of law. 
What was o- ce an anathema for the poor 
litigant has now become useful in order to 
get redress for his grievances. This is a 
system which has been adopted in every 
coui'tn ; it was worked out here and was 
recommended by a series of conferences one 
af er the other and the small expenditure 
that was n eded to finance such a scheme 
wmld be worthwhile undertaking. We 
may start from the Supreme Court and go 
down to the lowest levels of our judicial 
system, With these words I have great 
p ! casure in supporting this very welcome 
measure. 

SHRI DK PANDA (Bhanjanagar) : 
This Bill is long overdue. It has come at 
a time when hundreds of appeals are pi'ed 
up in the Supreme Court. I understaid 
that 1967 appeals have been taken up in 
1972. It causes hardship not only to the 
poor pcop'e and the common man but a’so 
m ddle-class people. This long pendemy 
causes trouble. 

We have been demand i-g from the 
Government during the budget session that 
there should be a comprehensive scheme to 
see that th: benefit}, of laws and constitu- 
tional .mendments made here reach the 
common man; otherwise all that remained 
a dead letter as the benefits of this legis- 
lation did not fhw to the man in the street. 

We tabled a number of cut motions and 
amendments on tl c above lines b.it they 
wc e ne\er replied to, nor weie they look 
into. They were brushed a side and some 
answers were given which had nothing to do 
with reality. 

We find that the cost of litigation is 
also going higher and ii is beyond the 
power of normal people to have access to 
the Supreme Court. The cost of the paper- 
book is so high that the poor man is unable 
to affo r d it. 

Similarly, the poor man should not be 
called upon to pay the paper book cost in 
small matters. Stamp duty and court fees 
also are rising high and the poor litigant 
is the hardest hit. Wh le supporting this 
Bill, I demand that there should be a com- 
prehensive sc k eme for nutting a ceiling on 
the income of the lawyers who are earning 



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( 30th Arndt.) Bill 214 


fabulously and necessary amendments should 
be male so that the poor man is able to 
defend himself. Government should also 
arrange for the legal defence of poor liti- 
gants who have got in their case a sub- 
stantial question but are unable to take it 
to the Supreme Court because of financial 
difficulties. 

This is an important Bill no doubt and 
I welcome it. It also highlights the import- 
ance of the Supreme Court. It relieves the 
Supreme Court of needless appeals and it 
will be now confined to a field that it can 
decide important questions of law w'irh 
become the law of the land. For this 
purpose, it is of utmost importance that 
the confidence and integrity and independ- 
ence of the Supreme Court should be 
strengthened. But I am sorry to bring to 
the notice of this House that something has 
been discussed about favouritism and nepot- 
ism in the very corridors of the Supreme 
Court as to how the Law Ministry it func- 
tioning. 

SHRI A.K. SEN . This is bad. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : What has been 
discussed in some corridor doe> not become 
authentic here. If you mean to say that 
the Supreme Court or High Court judges 
are acting under the influence of the Law 
Ministry, you should not say that. ( Inter- 
ruptions ) 

SHRI D.K. PANDA : Even in the case 
of the Newspaper Control Order, which was 
the concern of the entire nation and which 
was passed to defend the freedom of expie- 
ssion of the smaller papers, who was 
engaged to defend that order ? It was Mr. 
Nariman. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : How is it relevant ? 
Who is engaged and who is not engaged is 
the business of Government. How does it 
come within the purview of this discussion ? 

SHRI S.M. B\NERJEE : What was 
wrong with the Attorney General ? When 
the Government's order was challenged, 
the Attorney General should have been 
engaged. 

MR, CHAIRMAN : You cannot rise 
like this. Always you are in the habit of 


getting up like that. 

SHRI A.K SEN : Mr. Chatterjee wi I 
confirm that Mr. Nariman did a magni- 
ficent job. 

SHRI D.K. PANDA : The members 
should take serious note of the fact that 
som? very important an l responsible Con- 
gress MPs have w itten to the Primi Minister 
asking whv the Attorney General or 
Solicitor General was not even being con- 
sulted in this case. On the other hand, one 
Shri Nariman was appointed ** 

SHRI R D BHANDARE (Bombay 
Central) : Sir, on a ooint of order. During 
the course of the speech, the hon M-m'w 
mentioned.** That ought to be de’ettd. 

MR. CHAIRMAN * That is true No 
such statement should be made against a 
person who is not present in the House. 

SHRI S M BANERJEE : Sir, I rise on 
a point of order According to Shri 
Bhandare, Shri Panda has mentioned a 
particular name. According to the ruling 
you have just now given, a person who is 
not here shou'd not be mentioned because 
he cannot defend himself This morning 
we had been mentioning President Nixon. 
Is that also improper ? Further, Shri 
Narman is the Assistant Solicitor Geneia*. 
Can we not mention his name ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : I am not allowing 
it in the record. 

SHRI D K PANDA : I have mentioned 
only bare facts in the House.** 

MR. CHAIRMAN . Do not repeat it 
when I have not allowed it. 

SHRI D.K. PANDA : If the fountain 
of justice is to be mainta ned as pure as 
purity itself, in the greater cause of the 
nation why should not the Attorney-General 
or the Solicitor-General be consulted and 
why should they not be engaged. Hon. 
Members are well aware of the fact that 
when the Tatas and Birlas were in the 
process of defending the privy purse case, 
not only the Attorney -General and Solicitor 
General but also the present hon. Ministers, 
Shri Mohan Kumaraimngalam and Shri 


"Expunged as ordersd by the Cnair. 



, 15 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30th Arndt.) Bill 216 


|Shri D. K, Par da] 

Gokhale were appointed to defend the cause 
of the nation, because it was a big case 
against the g over nn tnt by the rajas in the 
privy purse case. 

Now, with regard to the same case at 
least, those two persons could have been 
engaged. I would also draw the attention 
of the House to another thing, that Shri 
palkhivala .... 

MR CHAIRMAN ■ I cm not allowing 
(Interruptions) 

SHRI D K. PANDA: . . who is 
really very competent, who is a very 
capable person— absolutely there is no 
doubt — was appointed . 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : He is 
compl mentig Mr. Palkhivala. 

SHRI D K. PANDA : Without hearing 
me, why should there be any prenotion 9 
He is a very capable person. He was also 
the spokesman of vested interests in all 
those three cases, the bank nationa isa.ion 
ca<e, the privy puises ca*e and the newsp- 
rint control order ca* e Now, he has been 
appointed in the international court to 
defend the Government of India. How far 
is it really desirable to send such a man 
who has been representing the vested 
interests all through his life, specially in 
those three famous cases, and those very 
peolc who are also in league with outside 
vested interests ? Can he defend our 
nation’s cause in the international court 9 
Certainly not. Fere also. I say, the hon. 
Minister is answerab'e to it. 

Lastly, suppose hundreds of amend- 
ments come. Fov can we maintain and 
preserve the fountain of peace, the fount- 
ain of intern ty; unless the cases are prope- 
rly defended also 9 As far as the Newsp- 
rint Control Older is concerned, it per ams 
to the portfolio of our Prime Minister. 
If at all we arc defeited in that case ** 

Who will be responsible at that time ? 
Therefore, 1 demand of this M nistry, in 
spite of these amendments, why was the 
Attorney-General not consulted ? I also 
call upon the Prime Minister to place the 


letter which was addressed by some of the 
veiy responsible Supreme Court Bar 
members who are also Parliament Members 
on the Table of the House for discussion 
to do justice to the case. 

With these words, 1 support the Bill. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri R. D. 
Bhandare 

SARI SHYAMN \NDAN MISHRA : 
Then, we may have to go beyond 3 
(),C1 ck This is a very important Constitu- 
tion amendment. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : My difficulty is 
this. If the Members confine themselves to 
the subject-matltr of the Bill, I do not 
think, they will take much time of the 
House Because they have either not read 
ihe Bill or they have not come prepared, 
they are talking of things wh'ch are not 
necessaiy and relevant to the Bill. I would 
request the Members to confine them elves 
to the Bill. Mi. A K Sen spoke to the 
point We have to take the vote at 3 O 
Clo.k. But, I think, there are many 
Members to speak and all will have to be 
accommodated I wc uid req est you to 
restrict your cbscivations to the subject- 
matter of the Bill. 

SHRI R. D BHANDARE (Bombay 
Contrail : I rise to support this Bill with 
all the strength at my command. This Bill 
seeks to achieve two objectives • the first 
is that it seeks to Jo away with the value of 
the su't which is now the basis for the 
r ght to appeal; the second is that, bv doing 
this, the Law Minister is of the vew, the 
litigation, the number of matters or cases 
on arpeah would be reduced from the file 
of the Supreme Court. These arc the two 
objectives with which this Bill has been 
b ought forward. 

14.46. hrs 

[Mr Speaker in the Chair] 

While speaking on the B II, even 
extraneous matters were brought in. the 
first extraneous matter was regarding legal 
aid. We have a Bill, sent to the Joint 
Selcet Committee, wherein we are discuss- 
ing the legal aid to the poor and the needy. 


** Expunged as cided by the the Chair — vide col 218 



21 ft Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1899 (SAKA) 


(30th Admt.) BiU 218 


To my great surprise, after going through 
the scheme as has been incorporated in the 
Advocates Bill, 1 find that there is so much 
lacunae left in that scheme that the whole 
scheme ought to be recast. Two points 
must tfe borne in mind: one. is that the 
responsibility to give legal aid to the poor 
and the needy must rest with the Bar 
Council; the second Po nt which 1 would 
like to suggest in this connection is that 
the Government must come forward to 
constitute a fund from which the advocates 
who would appear for the needy and the 
Poor should be paid. 

Another point was raised regarding the 
lawyers fee. I do not know whether my 
fiiends have really understood the basic 
principle which governs the relationship 
between the client and the lawye . So long 
as property is the con:ept of the base of 
the society, then the sanctity of the contract 
will necessarily step in. ( Interruptions ) 
1 would like it, provided all the parties 
are prepaied to abolish private property. 
What 1 was suggesting was this. So long 
as the concept of private property is there, 
along with it the sanctity of the contract 
steps in. Therefore, under what law can we 
prevent the relationsh p based on fees 
between the client and the lawyci 9 
Therefore, my ad\ice to my friends is that 
they should not talk of a matter which 
has no basis, which has no lelevance, so 
fai as this Bill is concerned. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Am I to 
understand that you want that to De 
continued ? 

SHRI R. D BHANDARE ■ You 
dcstioy the baie; and the whole top will 
be destroyed. 

I would now like to refer to the last 
sentence which was uttered by my lion, 
fi lend, Shn Panda He says, if there is a 
litigation going on in the Supieme Court 
and if the Government is defeated, then he 
used a terminology which was not befitting 
to the dignity of the House, to the dignity 
of the Member and to the dignity of the 
hon. Prime Minister. He said that if the 
Government was defeated. •• 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He said it 
because the Portfrlio of Information and 


Broadcasting is headed be the. Prime 
Minister. There is nothing unparliamentary. 
Please do not impute motives to what he 
said. 

* SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : I am not 
imputing motives. It is not befitting to the 
dignity of the hon. Member; it is not 
befitting to the dig nty of the House it is not 
befitting to the Instititution of Parliamentary 
democracy under which the Prime Minister 
is the Leader of the Party, of the Majority 
and therefore of the House and of the 
nation. I therefore, submit, that that 
sentence should be deleted. 

SHRI D K. PANDA : It was not my 
intent on; I did not use it in that sense. 
Il is a matter which pertains to the port- 
folio held by the Prune Minister. 

MR. SPEAKER . That is not an expie- 
ssion in good ta^te. I was not here then. 

SHRI D. K. PANDA : I did not use 
it in that sense. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : Order please, will he 
kindly sit down ? He may not have inten- 
ded something, but the expression evidently 
seems like that. It is not in good taste. 
It will be de’eted. 

Now, Shri Shyamnandan Mishra. 

SHRI r SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have no 
hesitation in saying that, broadly, one wou'd 
like to agree with this measure. In princi- 
ple particularly there is nothing object lona- 
b’c about it. In fact, the way in which the 
financial magnitude of the subject matter 
as the basis for appeal is sought to le 
phiogatcd, it is to be welcomed by c 11 
of us. 

* 

That does not mean that one shot ’d 
deprive oneself of c’oser scrutiny so for as 
this measure is concerned. There is no 
doubt about one point— and this has teen 
repeatedly emphasised by hon Members 
that right to appeal on financial qual fication 
gi\es scope for very very trivial and re'at*- 
ve’y smaller matters going up before the 
Supreme Court. Financial quaficatirn alone 
is enough in some cases; merit does not 
matter. Therefore, to that extent that this 
is done away *ith, I we‘come this measure. 


** Expunged as ordered by the Chair— Vide col-. 218 



219 Constitutions 


AUGUST 17 1972 


(30th Arndt.) Bill 220 


[Shri Shyamnandan MishraJ 

May I submit that, in seeking to do 
away with Art. 133(!)(c) we are throwing 
away the baby with the bathwater, 1 think, 
hon, Members are clear in their minds as to 
what Art 133(1) (c) implies. That means, 
the High Court court could give a cer- 
tificate of fitness which has wider dimension, 
wider horizon that concerns not only the 
question of law, but of general importance. 

Whatever qualification you might add to 
it, it means a matter substantial of law. 
General importance being added to it does 
not widen the horizon to the extent that it 
was in Article 133(1) (c). In my opinion 
Art 133(1) (c) is sought to be resinc'ed. 
Clearly, the object or the intention of the 
Constitution was to grant this right of 
appeal, es basic right— the right to go on 
appeal to the Supreme Court Wc must take 
all care to see that this basic right of appeal 
is not les ricted in a manner so as to make 
it ineffecthe. I am cleaily of the opinion 
that the recommendation contained in the 
forty-fourth report of the Law Commission 
is preferable to the recommendation made 
in the forty-fifth report of the Law Commis- 
sion. 

Before I go to examine the provisions 
of the Bill in greater deiail, may I repeat 
what I imohed through the poirt of order 
that I raised only this morning ? 1 would 
like to express my doubts whether it was 
proper, in the first instance, to have consul- 
ted the Chief Justice of India in this matter. 

I wou'd like to go on record, so far as this 
matte is concerned It is the Supreme Court 
of India which will ultimately have to decide 
what scope is left for entertaining appeals 
after this amendment. Secondly, I have 
mv doubts whether the name of the Chief 
Justice of India should have been used in the 
manrer in which this is sought to be done. 
Thirdly, I also wonder whether the Chief 
Justice of India would like that his name 
should have been mentioned up in this 
manner, which might have the effect of over- 
aweing the Members 'and preempting the 
d scussion on this subject in this honoura- 
ble House. 

Coming to the provisions of the Bill, I 
would aubmit, that the Bill, as proposed, 
may be inconsistent with the Fundamental 
Rights guaranteed to the minorities, and 


also with the general right to appeal to the 
Supreme Court m defence of Fundamental 
Rights. 

Since it is proposed that only in cases 
involving sub>tantial question of law of 
general impertan'e, an appeal shall lie to 
the Supreme Court, it takes away substan- 
tially the right which is of a wider nature 
a, embodied in Art. 133(1) (c) of the Cons- 
ti f ution Itisc’ear that the question of 
‘fitness’ in Cause (c) has no connection with 
a substantial question of law being involved. 
That is very clear In the paragraph that is 
added to art. 133. it is clea ly mentonsd 
that there would be other c?ses involving 
question of substantial law. It does not 
rebate to the que>tion of law so far as 133(1) 
(c) is concerred. The intention of Art. 
133(l)(c) is o cover those cases which weiu'd 
affect the inleests of a large number of 
people and which are of general importance. 
How are those cases to be covered, if you 
aie going to base it completely on the que- 
stion of law ? That is a matter to be gone 
into very closely. 

1 would like to refer to cases relating to 
religious rights of the minorities, the right 
to take out procession on a particular day. 
control and management of religious shrines, 
endowments and so on. How are these 
cases going to be covered if you are going 
to base it completely on question of law, of 
general importance 7 This is some-thing 
which roquires much greater consideration. 

15 hrs. 

A point has been made that under Art. 
136, the Supreme Court has an unfettered 
right to entertain appeals. In Ratilal Versus 
Ranchodbhai, the Supreme Court held that 
in an appeal by special leave from the deci- 
sion of a High Court under Section 115 of 
to the C P. C, the powers of the Supreme 
Court were circumscribed by limitation placed 
on the powers of the High Court under 
Section 115. On technical ground the Sup- 
reme Court could grant special leave but it 
could not grant special leave with regard to 
a matter of substance. There was no remedy 
available to the appellant. You cannot say 
therefore that under Art. 136 remedy is 
available to any person to go to the Sup- 
reme Court. I think that it would be much 
better if the Law Minister confined himsel 
to the recommendation made by the Law 
Commission in its Forty-fourth Report, 



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The only change that occurred in the 
Law Commission was that there was some 
change in the personnel; there was a new 
chairman of the commission, but it may be 
that some other members remained. But 
one does not quite see the justification for 
altering the recommendation of the Law 
Commission as contained m its 44th 
report. 

So, I would like the hon. Minister to 
consider even at this stage whether it would 
not be possible to conform to the recom- 
mendations in the 44: h leport instead of 
seeking to lestnct the horizon of appeal as 
is sought to be done through the new 
amendment. The new amendment is 
restrictive and it might very adversoly affect 
the rights of the minorities in particular and 
also the general right of appeal to go to the 
Supreme Court, which to my mind is a 
basic constitutional right. 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA COSWAMI 
(Gauhati) : I welcome this Bill whicn brings 
forth a change in the pioceduie relating to 
appeals to the Supreme Court. It is a 
wholesome propc sit ion that the valuation 
test has been done away with. The onl} 
argument that could be advanced in favour 
of the valuation test is that a man who has 
a greater stake or the subject matter of 
whose dispute relates to a greater amount 
of money and, therefore involves a greater 
stake, should be given a right of appeal to 
the highest court of the land But if one 
nukes a close scutiny one would find that 
this argument is absolutely illusory because 
the question whether property is really 
valuable to an individual or not is dependent 
on the valuation of the property. For a 
m<in who is a milli< naire, a poperty worth 
Rs 20.000 may be of much less \a'ue. But 
in case of another man who is a poor man, 
even a property worth Rs. 500( wou'd he of 
much greater value and there w II be much 
at stake for him. Therefore, I am g'ad 
that the artificial valuation test wh ch had 
been laid down in the Constitution has been 
done a way with, and I fully welcome it. 

But by this amending Bill, not .only has 
this been done, but a change of procedure 
[las also been affected. A new c ause has 
[?een added which says that only those 
[ases will be allowed to go to the Supreme 
Court by way of leave of appeal, which 
pvolve substantial questions of law of gene- 


ral importance and wheie in the op nion of 
the High Court, such question needs to be 
decided by the Supreme Court. I have got 
no objections to the proposition that only 
those ca«es which involve substantial ques* 
tions of law should go to the Supreme 
Court. But I have got my grave doubts 
whether the High Court will grant leave on 
coming to the finding that the case is one 
which needs to be dec ded by the Supreme 
Court. For, the word ‘needs' connotes a 
certain amount of compulsion The High 
Court, after adjudicating upon a case may 
say that this ’s a case which is fit for going 
to the Supreme Court or it is desirable that 
the Supreme Couit should give the final 
opinion in the matter, but I have my grave 
doubts whether the High Court will cert fy 
that it is a case which needs to go to the 
Supreme Couit. 

In the 45th report, the Law Commission 
has laid down four or five propositions in 
order that a case may be referred to the 
Supreme Court. For example, cases where 
there should be uniformity of Central law 
or State law should in the ultimate analysis 
be decided by the Supreme Court; sec< ndly, 
even on a point of law which has been 
decided by the Supreme Court, the High 
Court may feel that there is scope for 
further reconsideration, and m such cases, 
leave should be granted so that the case can 
go to the Supreme Court. If the word ng 
of the Bill remains as such that only when 
the High Court i* of the opinion that the 
question needs to be decided by the Supreme 
Court will the High Court be entitled to 
grant leave, then suppose there is a case 
where there is a standing pronouncement 
by the Supreme Court; the High Court may 
legitimately feel that the judgment of the 
S preme Court needs reconsideration, but 
when there is a judgment of the Supreme 
Court which under article 141 of the Consti- 
tution amounts to law, how can they say 
that it is a case which needs to be decided 
by the Supreme Court ? In view of the 
fact that the word ‘needs* connotes a certain 
sense of compulsion, I feel that it would 
have been better if the earlier recommend- 
ation of the Law Commission that a certi- 
ficate to the effect that the case is a fit one 
for appeal to the Supreme Court should be 
enough should have been maintained. 

I support the Bill. At the same time 
1 want to add one thing that it is unfortu- 



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TShri Dinesh Chandra Goshwami] 

nate that some controversial matters have 
been dragged into this debate and the names 
of certain persons were dragged in who had 
no opportunity to defend themselves here. 
One hon. Member said that if a particular 
law is declared ultra vires bv the Supreme 
Court ** 

Many of the laws which are passed by 
us a*-e declared ultra vires by the Supreme 
Court. Does ft mean ** 

AN HON. MEMBER : That has been 
deleted. 

SHRI DINESH CHANDRA GOS- 
WAMI : I am sorry. I leave it there. 

I fully support the Bill and hope the Law 
Minister will also consider whether the 
word ‘needs’ may not have an adverse effect 
on the right of appeal in those cases whee 
even the Law Commission feels thit leave 
of appeals should be allowed. 

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi- 
wash) : I agree with the object of the Bill 
that the amount or valuation of the subject- 
matter in dispute should not be the basis or 
qualification to file an appeal before the 
Supreme Court. All of us agree that there 
should be no discrimination between rich 
and poor before a court of law, especully 
be! ore the Supreme Court. If wc agree 
that to get justice is very costly, to get 
justice from the Supreme Court is stil 
costlier. A poor man will have to engage 
a lawyer by paying fat fees and if he comes 
from a distant place, to maintain himself in 
Delhi is also very very costly. People like 
us who come from the south will have to 
travel 1 500-2000 miles to file cases before 
the Supreme Court. You know how costly 
it is for us to come all the way from the 
south and stay in Delhi Hence if you 
accept the principle that justice in the 
Supreme Court shoutd not be costly, Govern- 
ment should think of measure whereby 
there can be a Bench of the Supreme Court 
sitting in the South. They may select any 
place, Trivandrum, Bangalore, Madras or 
Hyderabad. But there should be a separate 
Bench of the Supreme Court in the south. 


The Minister has stated in the statement 
of objects and reasons that the Bill would 
curtail the number of appeals filed in the 
Supreme Court merely on the ground of the 
satisfaction of the valuation test. I have 
my own doubt about it, because even in 
small cases where the amount is small subs- 
tantive questions ol low may be involved 
which may have to come to the Supreme 
Court. 

Any way, 'osing a B 11 which remove the 
discrimination between rich and poor as the 
statement of objects and reasons says, I 
support the measure. 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOK.HALE) : I am 
very grateful to hon. Members for having 
wholeheartedly supported the proposed 
amendment. In the course of the dis- 
cussion, many points which were relevant 
and which co itained useful suggestions 
weie made. I am very grateful for that. 
Quite so many others things were also said 
which have really nothing to do with the 
proposed amendment. Therefore, I pro- 
pose to be very brief in dealing with some 
mijor points which go directh to the ques- 
tion whether the measuie which is brought 
is a proper measurcor not. 

It was generally a;ree.i that the basis on 
which the present right of appeal rests, 
namely, valuation of property has alwavs 
been a basis which led to discrimination 
between the poor litigant and the rich liti- 
gant, could never b; justified. As one hon. 
member rightly said, this is a legacy of the 
past which the Britishers left in the old 
Civil Pro:edure Code and which when the 
Constitution was framed in 1950 we almost 
bodily incorporated. It is true that in 
many of the other countries, including 
countries which a renot socialist, the basis 
of valuation of property for the right of 
appeal to the highest court has already been 
taken away. Therefore, I do not think 
there is, or can be, any dispute that this 
measure was overdue. 1 am glad that we 
have been able to bring it before the House 
for consideration on this occasion. 

It was said that while doing so, wo 
should automatically have provided for a 


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right of appeal in certain cases. It was 
suggested that in service matters and in 
labour matters there should have been an 
appeal as of right. Let us not assume in 
making this argument that in all service 
and labour matters there is merit. Out There 
are matters and matters. There are service 
matters wherein there is great merit. 1 am 
sure that in such cases even under the pro- 
posed provision, those matters will be able 
to come to the Supreme Court. In labour 
matters, the same would apply. Now, the 
hon. Member who is himself a very emment 
lawyer and who made the suggestion, refer- 
red to the right of appeal being taken away. 

It is really not taken away, because article 
136 and article 32 of the Constitution are 
yet left untouched. As hon. Members 
know, most of the service matters which 
come to the Supreme Court are either on 
appeal in write petitions under arLcle 225 
filed in the high court or are by way of 
petitions under article 32 relating to article 
14 or article 16. Tint right still remains. 
It is not at all affected by the present 
amendment. All that the present amend- 
ment seeks to do is this. Now, in the 
present-day circumstances, inv own fee’ing 
is that it was never justified even in the 
past, but even in the presen r -day circum- 
stances, .to say that merely because a person 
has property worth so much, the apoeal 
should lie, is not proper. At that time, 
it was Rs. 20,000 and sometimes, it was 
thought that it should be raised to Rs 1 
lakh. But the question is not that of Rs. 
20,000 or Rs. 1 lakh but it is one of 
principle, the principle being that the high- 
est court should be approached as of right 
not only because the person claims to have 
property valued at a certain level, but on 
other grounds. The experience of the 
courts, and of those who have functioned 
as lawyers and judges, has consistency been 
that appeals which came to the Supreme 
Court on the basis of this so-called auto- 
matic right of appeal, based on property, 
have invariably failed, becau-e there was no 
merit in them and the courts which h^d 
gone into this had come to the conclusion; 
merely because the property value was 
more an appeal of necessity arose 
in the Supreme Court on a certificate being 
granted by the high court, and so much 
time was taken and so much money was 
spent by the parties, with the result that 90 
or 99 per cent of the appeals ultimately 


resulted in failure. Therefore, I am grate- 
ful to the hon. Members for accepting that 
the principle underlying this Bill is a correct 
principle, 

I entirely agree and I am grateful to the 
hon. Members for referring to an allied 
matter, which is also an important matter, 
namely, the matter relating to making a 
provision on a comprehensive basis for a 
scheme for legal aid to the poor. 
There can be no two opinions on this issue. 

I am glad to tell the House that a compre- 
hensive scheme for legal aid is at present 
being worked out. In fact, some provisions 
were made in the Advocates (Amendment) 
Act which is now before the Joint Committee 
I found that the provision was in the nature 
of an eye-wash, because it only tried to say 
that something for legal aid was being done. 
In fact, it contained nothing and it would 
not have enabled anybody to get legal aid 
from that scheme. I had occassion to say 
it in the Committee, and 1 did not want to 
come before the House and put something 
in the name of legal aid which realiy is not 
legal aid. I would like to come before the 
House with a comprehensive scheme of legal 
aid, not in respect of the High Courts or 
the Supreme Court only. Becau>e, the real 
stage where legal aid is necessary is the 
stage where the litigation starts, and that is, 
at the taluka level, namely, the bottom level 
where the people are helpless and are at 
the mercy of some unscrupulous lawyers or 
some other people who are interested in 
fostering litigation. Therefore, there can 
be no two opin ons that it is the duty of the 
Government to go into the question very 
carefully and bring a comprehensive scheme 
for legal aid. 

I agree that there is a great accumu- 
lation of cases. That was also one of the 
po nts referred to by my friend Shri Chitter- 
jee and other hon Members. Now, I 
never claim and I possibly cannot claim 
that the present amendment is the be-all- 
and end-all of or that we want to do for 
curtaining accumulation or the backlog of 
cases in the Supreme Cou -t and in the other 
courts. I agree, as some hon. Members 
said, that an integrated approach has to be 
made to the prob’em, I am glad to mention 
before this House that this question is being 
attacked at several levels. The evil of 
accumulation of arrears is being attacked 



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[Shri H. R. Gokahle] 

on several levels. This is only one sm^ll 
step which will touch only the burden in 
the Supreme Coui t in respect of the 
appeals. 

1 had occassion to tel! this House at an 
earlier time that the Civil Procedure Code 
was really the basis for dilatory procedure 
in civil cases and for undue cost. It is at 
present under close examination. Not that 
we arc going to make merely minor changes 
in it here and there, as was sought to be 
done earlier, but we propose to bring a 
basic and radical change in procedure so 
that the procedural delays are cut and the 
costs are reduced. That is not absent in 
the minds of the Government, and we are 
considering that matter. Apart from that, 
even the necessity of increasing the judge 
strength has been engrgiig the attention of 
’he Government for the last few months. 
Vherever a proposal came from the States 
r quirmg additional judges in we v of the 
friars, I did not remember a single case in 
wh ch the Central Government had rejected 
such a propcsal. In fact I have my self 
written to the Chief Ministers of the Sta:es 
to make a review of the strength in their 
respective High Courts and make proposals 
for additional judges in their High Courts. 
That again is not the end of the matter. 

My friend Mr. Ashok Sen and Mr 
Mishra said that it would have been better 
if clause (c) of article 133 had been left as 
it was. I know that in the 44th report 
that was the suggestion In my opening 
remarks I said that in spite of that, 1 re- 
con* idered the matter. The language used 
in tl e article ‘fit for appeal to the Supreme 
Court’ seems very simple. It may appear 
as if the High Court can consider every case 
and say whether a case is fit or not for 
being taken to Supreme Court. At 
feast lawyer Mwtobers know that this expre- 
ssion has almost become a phrase of art; 
it has come in for interpretation in a 
number of cases right from tl e Privy Coun- 
cil in the old days to the Supreme Court. 
The $jjipreme Court later on said that 
although the ,language was wide, it meant 
really cases involving substantial question 
of law and then it said, substantial question 
of tow involving public or private import- 
ance- 


I do not mind public importance because 
that is a paramount thing. We want them to 
go. But, let us come to a matter of private 
importance. 1 have two cases in mind. One 
was thet of a zamindar ih the old days. If I 
am not mistaken it was a case from Bihar. 
He went to the Supreme Court against his 
tenant on a litigation in which the 
siake involved was Rs. 400. The 
argument before the court was this. It is 
no* a matter of pablic importance and it is 
not a case for appeal to the Privy Council. 
The High Court accepted :hat position. The 
Privy Council reversed it and said : 400 or 
200 is not the question; what is important 
is that this m it ter is of private importance. 

Now, a d'spute over a will where I 
might quarrel with my friend Asok Sen 
saying 1 am the heir and he says he is the 
heir affects him at d me. The world at large 
has nothing to do with it. Still it ts capable 
of being taken to the Supreme Court under 
article 133 (c). Do we really intend that 
those disputes wh ch do not affect the public 
should be taken to the Supreme Court, even 
though they might be confined to disputes 
purely nter se between two individuals or 
two partus ? 

I explained the three underlying objec- 
tives of this measure. One was to remove 
discrimination between the poor and the 
rich. The second was to see that at a certain 
stage you reach finality over some matters. 
Even the highest courts are not infallible. 
So we accept the judgment of the highest 
court as final. I do not suggest that there 
is anything wrong in saying that matters 
which are not of public importance and 
which do not involve questions of law of 
pub’ic importance which do not really need 
to be decided by the Supreme Court should 
reach finality at the High Court level. 
That is the principal reason why it was 
sa d in the proposed amendment an appeal 
must involve a question of law of general 
importance; it should be general as well as 
important which needs to be taken to the 
Supreme Court. 

There is a reason for it. Because, suppose 
there are conflicting judgments in various 
High Courts, A citizen does not know what 
is the law. Uniformity in judicial pronounce- 
ments is the essence of any systematic 
judiciary. Therefore it, can to a matter 



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which needs to be taken 'to the Supreme 
Court. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
The horn Law Minister was pleased to say 
that it would be a matter both of law and 
general importance. It does not read Ukc 
that here. It says : substantial question 
law of general importance. It does not widen 
the scope. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : It does not 
widen. The intention was that; disputes on 
facts howsoever substantial they may be 
which could be certified as a fit, case for 
appeal to the Supreme Court are exactly 
what are intended to be obviated by this 
amendment. That is where it is intended that 
the High Court should be the final court of 
appeal. It there is a substantial question of 
law of general importance, the High Court 
will certify that it will go to the Supreme 
Court for a final decision. Somewhere we 
have to accept some finality. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
How is a matter relating to religious cere- 
mony going to be covered by law ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : If it is a 
matter of religious ceremony, it can be a 
matter of general importance. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
It would be a matter of general importance 
but not a matter of general importance 
concerning law. 

SHRI H R. GOKHALE ; Sir, are we 
arguing a case in a court of law ? 

MR. SPEAKER : No counter arguments 
should be there. After all, there are legal 
interpretations. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : These 
matters are ultimtely left for interp.etation by 
courts. This provision will come in for 
interpretation by the Supreme Court and 
various High Courts, i am not giving any 
interpretation. I am just giving the back* 
ground underlying the proposal for amend- 
ment of the Constitution. 

Then it was said that the Law Commi- 
ssion consulted the Chief Justice of India, 
who had personally expressed the view that 
this is a necessary amendment. Far from 
showing any disrespeet to the Supreme 


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Court, in fact this was one step which was 
taken which showed great respect to the 
Supreme Court. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Have I said that it shows disrespect to the 
Supreme Court ? In fact, what I say is that 
Supreme Court weuld suffer if too much 
respect and attaeotion is paid to it, as yon 
are doing. 

MR. SPEAKER : In your speech lat* 
you said, his name was used for over-awing 
the numbers. If the opinion of the Chief 
Justice can be quoted as over-awing us, I 
think we can be over-awed by many other 
factors. I do not see any harm in his name 
being mentioned out because that is used by 
the Law Commission. 

SHRI SHYAMNAND\N MISHRA : I 
have not used the word "disrespect”. 

MR. SPEAKER : You have not. Why 
do you lose your temper ? I see frowns on 
your forehead always. I request you to 
apeak in a normal manner and in a patient 
manner. Why do you frown at us ? We are 
all amenable .. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
In fact, it is the Chair which is not proving 
to be considerate. 

MR. SPEAKER r Tf you do it once in 
a while, it is all right, but not every time. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : In 
fact, the Chair has to shaw more Considera- 
tion to the House. 

MR. SPEAKER : I deliberately avoid 
looking at you because of your frowns. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
You must tell him that he should not inter- 
pret me like that. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have said that 
you did not say it. Why do you quarrel 
over it ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Some might 
say that the powers of the Supreme Court 
were being curtailed because of this amend- 
ment. It has been the practice all along— 
the previous Law Commission also consul- 
ted the Chief Justice and the Present Law 
Commission also consulted the Chief Justice 


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[Shri H. R. Gokhale] 

because this was a matter which affected 
the Jursdiction of the Supreme Court. 
Therefore, it was a courtesy which has 
always been extended in the past. Even 
then, the Law Commission has said that 
the Chief Justice personally expressed his 
opinion that this mea u;e was ver> n ecessa y 
This does not disable the Supieme Court, 
when the matter comes before the Supreme 
Court, to intcipret this particular draft 
which we have put and which has been 
accepted by the House in the way it likex. 
Therefore, 1 am unable to agree with thi, 
view that we should not, even m matte- s 
where we are t ealing with the jurisdiction 
of the Supreme Court, conjult the Chief 
Justice of India. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA . 
We cannot agree with th s view. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Many other 
points have b en mentioned which really 
do not pertain to the main question. But 
seme kind of aspcisions w'ere cast and I 
th.nk it is necessary to itfer to only a few 
of them 

1 come to a recent case which was 
argued in tic Supieme Court reating to 
the P.ess Bill. Here I need not be apolo- 
getic ahout it at all. I may mention as a 
matter of fact that this case started here 
in the Supreme Court, if 1 am not wrong, 
on the 19th of July. The court itself reope- 
ned after the vacation on the 17th of July. 
The Attoiney-Geneial of India who wou d 
normally have been briefed, was away 
outside India and had not returned till the 
14th cr L'thof July The new Solicitor- 
General had not taken charge till the 17ih 
of Jul> The preparation in a case ol th s 
nature had to be made at least a month or 
six weeks before the case actually came 
for hearing because the instructions had to 
be obtained from the department for filing 
the ; ffidavit containing the entire view of 
the government The law officer who was 
available at that time and who, in my view, 
was one of the btst lawyers in the country, 
dealt with this matter and prepared the 
affidavit, and I am very proud to say that 
he did an excellent job in the c«u»t. Even 
tho e who came and complained to me 
earlier-*! am talking of those members of 
tie bar, feme of w cm are supposed to 


have made a c jmplaint— even those who 
originally expressed a doubt about the 
capacity of this gentleman, later on they 
came and told me “We ate sorry, we had 
not heard him earlier in a matter like this 
and that is why we complained”, One thing 
to which I m ist plead guilty is that he is 
young; I cannot help it. But it is a fact 
that he is one of the be>t lawyers in the 
count! y today Go to any member of the 
Supreme Court bar and he will tell you 
what an excellent job has been done by 
this ge itleman 

I do not want to talk about the mcr.ts 
of t te ca e because the judgment is yet to 
come. Various opinions appear in the 
pape s, some said to be for the favour and 
s< me said to be against the Government. 
But that is not a matter in which I should 
ex )re ,s any view because the whole matter 
is suh jud ce All I can say is that I had 
b:en in touch with this case from the very 
beginning and 1 can say with the fullest 
sense of responsib lity that the case, under 
the circumstances, was entrusted to the bv'st 
of our law officers. This was the only 
point which I wanted to deal with I thank 
the hon Member* for supporting this 
Bill 

MR SPEAKER : Before I put the 
Constitut on (Thirtieth Amendment) B 11 
to the vote of the H mse I have to inform 
you that his berig a Constitution (Amend- 
ment) Bill, the voting has to be by 
Division Let the Lobb es be cleared 

The Lobbies have been cleared. 

The question is : 

“Th it the Bill fu tier to amend he 
Constitut on of India, be taken into consi- 
deration ” 

The Lok Subha divided : 

Division No. 2] AYES [15.33 

Achal Singh, Shri 
Afzalpu.kar, Shri Dharamrao 
Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed 
Agiawal, Shri Shrikrishna 
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram 
Ahmed, Shri F A. 

Alagesan, Sh i O V. 

Ambesh, Shri 

Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman 
Appalanaidu, Shri 
Arvind Netam, Shri 



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Austin, Dr. Henry 
AwdJiesh Chandra Singh, Shri 
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha 
Aziz Imam, Shri 
Bahuguna, Shri H. N. 

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar 
Baladhandayutham, Shri K. 
Balakrishmah, Shri T. 

Banamali Babu, Shri 
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh 
Banerjee, Shri S. M. 

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul 
Barman, Shri R. N. 

Barua, Shri Bedabrata 
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai 
Basappa, Shri K. 

Basumatari, Shi i D. 

Besra, Shri S. C. 

Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. 

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri 
Bhandare, Shri R. D. 

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath 
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai 
Bhattacharyya, Shi I Dmen 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagdish 
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu 
Bhaura, Shri B S 
Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh 
Brahmanandji, Shri Swami 
Buta Singh, Shri 
Chaklcshwar Singh, Shri 
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. 
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chandrappan, Shri C. K. 
Chandrashekhrappa Veerabasappa, 
Shri T V. 

Chandrika Prasad, Shri 
CluUlerjee, Shri Somnath 
Chaturvedi Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhari, Shri Amar Singh 
Chaidhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh 
Chavan, Shri Yeshwanirao 
Chavda, Shn K. S. 

ChawJa, Shn Amar Nath 
Chellachami, Shri A. M. 

Chhotey Lai, Shri 
Chhutten Lai, Shri 
Chittibabu, Shn C. 

Choudhary, Shri B. E. 

Ciioudhury, Shri Moinul Haque 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Dalbir Singh, Shri 
Dalip Sirgh, Shri 
Darbara Singh, Shri 
Das, Shri Anadi Charan 


Das, Shri Dharnidhar 
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas 
DafChowdhury, Shri B. K. 

Deb, Shri Dasaratha 
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh 
Deshmukh, Shri K. G. 
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S. 
Dhamankar, Shri 
Dhandapani, Shn C. T. 
Dhaamgaj Singh, Shri 
Dhana, Shri Mohan 
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad 
Dinesh Singh, Shri 
Dixit, Shn G. C. 

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra 
Doda, Shri Hiralai 
Dube, Shri J. P. 

Dumada, Shri L. K. 

Dutta, Shn Biren 
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar 
Engti, Shn Biren 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Shri K. R. 

Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Gaicha. Shri Devinder Singh 
Gautam, Shn C. D. 

Gavit, Shri T. H. 

Ghosh, Shn P. K. 

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh 
Gin, Shri V. Shanker 
Godara, Shri Mani Ram 
Godfrey, Shrimati M. 

Gogoi, Shn Tarun 
Gohain, Shri C. C. 

Gokhale, Shn H. R. 

Gomango, Shri Giridhar 
Gopal, Shri K. 

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra 
Govind Das, Dr. 

Gowda, Shri Pampan 
Guha, Shri Samar 
Gupta, Shn Indrajit 
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Hansda, Shri Subodh 
Hah Kishore Singh, Shri 
Hari Singh, Shn 
Hashim, Shn M. M. 

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan 
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. 

Jadeja, Shn D. P. 
Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Janardhanan, Shri C. 
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Jha, Shri Chiranjib 
Jharkhande Rai, Shri 
Jitendra Prasad, Shri 
Joarder, Shri Dinesh 



235 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30th Atfmt.) Bill 236 


Joshi, Shri JagapnatJ^o 
joshi, Shri Popajlal 
Joshi, Shrimati £u.bhadra 
Kadam, Shri Dattajii$o 
Kadannappalli, Shri QLamachandran 
Kader, Shri S. A. 

Kahandolc, Shri Z. M* 

Kailas, Dr. 

Kakodkar, Shri Purushot^tam 
Kakoti, Shri Rohin 
Kale, Shri 

Kamakshaiah, Shri D. 

Karaala Prasad, Shri 
Kamble, Shri T. D. 

KamlaKumari, Kumari 
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal 
Karan Singh, Dr. 

Kasture, Shri A. S. 

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila 
Kavde, Shri B R. 

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri 
Khadilkar, Shri R. K. 

Kinder Lai, Shri 
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha 
Kisku, Shri A. K. 

KotofJ, Shri Liladhar 
Kotrashctti, Shri A. K. 

Krishnan, Shri M. K. 

Kumar am angalam, Shri S. Mohan 
Kureel, Shri B. N. 

Kushok Bakuta, Shri 
Lakshin ikanthamma, Shrimati T. 
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R. 
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Lutfal Haque, Shri 
Madhukar, Shri K. M. 

Mahajan, Shri Vikram 
Mahajan-, Shri Y. S. 

Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath 
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar 
Majhi, Shri Kumar 
Malaviya, Shri K. D. 

Malhotra, Shri Inder J. 

Mallanna, Shri K. 

Mallikarjun, Shri 
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Ngrain 
Mandal, Shri Yftimina Prasad 
Manoharan, Shri K. 

Marak. Shri K. 

Melkote, Dr. G. S. 

Mirdha, Shri Nathu $*am 
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra* Shri G.S 
Miahra, Shri Jaganoatb 
MUira, Shri L. N. 


Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan 
Misra, Styi S. N. 

Modak, Shri Bijoy 
Modi, Shri Shrikishan 
Mody, Shri Pilqo 
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri 
Mohan Swarup, Shri 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder 
Mohsin, Shri F. H. 

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri 
Munsi, Shri Priya Ranjan Das 
Murthy, Sh i B S. 

Nahata, Shri Amrit 
Naik, Shri B. V. 

Nanda, Shri G. L. 

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh 
Oraon, Shri Tuna 
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath ' 
Painula, Shri Paripoornanand 
Palodkar, Shri Manikrao 
Panda, Shri D. K. 

Pandey, Shri Damodar 
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain 
Pandey, Shri R. S. 

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar 
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminaraitf 
Pandit, Shri S. T. 

Pamgrahi, Shri Chintainani 
Pant, Shn K. C. 

Paokai. Haokip, Shri 
Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand 
Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai 
Partap Singh, Shri 
Parthasarathy, Shri P. 

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat 
Patel, Shri Arvind M. 

Patel, Shri Natwarlal 
Patel, Shri Ramubhi 
Patil, Sh f i Anantrao 
Patil, Shri C. A. 

Patil, Shri E. V. Vikhe 
Patil, Shri Krishnarao 
Patil, Shri S. B. 

Patil, Shri T. A. 

Patnaik, Shri Banamali 
Patnaik, Shri J. B. 

Peje, Shri S. L 
Pillai, Shri R. Balakrishna 
Prabodh Chandra, Shri 
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah 
Pradhani, Shri K, 

Purty, Shri M. S. 

Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shaft 
Radhakrishnan, Shri S. 

Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K. 

Rai, Shrimati £aho<Jrabaj 



237 ? Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (54 JM) 


(J Oth Admt.) m 238 


Raj Bahadur, Shri 
Rajdco Singh, Shri 
RfejU, Shri P. V. O. 

Ram, Shri Tulmohan 
Ram Dhan. Shri 
Ram Prakash, Shri 
Ram Sewak, Ch. 

Ram Surat Prasad, Shri 
Ram Swarup, Shri 
Ramji Ram, Shri 
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri 
Ram Singh Bhai, Shri 
Rana, Shri M. B. 

Ranabahadur Singh, Shri 
Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. 
Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar 
Rao, Shri Jagannath 
Rao, Dr. K. I . 

Rao, Shri K. Narayana 
Rao, Shri M. Satyanarayan 
Rao, Shri Nageswara 
Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Prasada 
Rao, Shn Pattabhi Rama 
Rao, Shn Rajagopaia 
Rao, Dr. V K. R. Varadaraja 
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 
Raut, Shri Bhola 
Ravi, Shri Vayalar 
Ray, Shrimati Maya 
Reddi, Shri P. Antony 
Reddy, Shri K Kodanda Rami 
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna 
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal 
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa 
Reddy, Shri P Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha 
Richhariya, Dr. Govmd Das 
Rnhatgi, Shrimati Sushi la 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Roy, Dr. Saradish 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri 
Sadhu Ram, Shri 
Saha, Shn Ajit Kumar 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque 
Saminathan, Shri P. A. 

Sanghi, Shri N. K. 

Sankata Prasad, Dr. 

Sant Bux Singh, Shri 
Sft'k&r, Shri Sakti Kumar 
Sgtish Chandra, Shri 
Satyanarayana, Shri B. 

Savant, Shri Shankerrao 
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati 


Sayeed, Shri P. M. 

Sen, Shri A. K. 

Sen, Dr. Ranen 
Sen, Shri Robin 
Sethi, Shri Arjun 
Sezhiyan, Shri 
Shafee, Shri A, 

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri 
Shailani, Shri Chandra 

Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh 
Shambhu Nath, Shri 
Shankar Daykl Singh, Shri 
Shankar Dev, Shri 
Shankaranand, Shri B. 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma, Dr. H. P. 

Sharma, Shri Madhoram 

Sharma, Shri Nawal Kisbore 
Sharma, Shri R. N. 

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal 
Shashi Bhushan, Shri 
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan 
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram 
Shastri, Shri Sheopujan 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Sher Singh, Prof. 

Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P. 

Shiva Candika, Shri 
Shivnath Singh, Shri 
Shukla, Shri B. R. 

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 
Siddayya, Shri S. M. 

Siddheshwar Piasad, Shri 
Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap 
Sinha, Shn Dharam Bir 
Sinha, Shri Nawal Kishore 
Sinha, Shri R K. 

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan 
Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh 
Sonar, Dr. A.G. 

Stephen, Shri C.M. 

Subramaniam, Shri C. 
Sudarsanam, Shri M. 

Sunder Lai, Shri 
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri 
Swaminathan, Shri R.V 
Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar 
Swaran Sihgh, Shri 
Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh 
Tarodekar, Shri V.D. 

Tayyab Hussain, Shri 
Tewari, Shri Shankar 
Thakre, Shri S. B. 

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao 
Tiwari, Shri R G. 

Tiwary, Shri D.N. 



239 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30th Admt.) BUI 210 


Tiwary, Shri K.N. 

Tombi Singh, Shri N, 

Tula Ram, Shri 
Tulsiram, Shri V. 

Uikey, Shri M.G. 

Ulaganambi, Shri R P. 

Unnikrishnan, Shri K.P. 

Vekaria, Shri 
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. 

Venkatswamy, Shri G. 

Verma, Shri Balgovind 
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad 
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra 
Virbhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan, Shri G. 

Yadav, Shri Chandrajit 
Yadav, Shri Karan Singh 
Yadav, Shri N.P. 

Yadav, Shri R.P. 

NOES 

•Bheeshmadev, Shri M. 

♦Mehta, Dr. M ah i pat ray 
•Oraon, Shri Kartik 
•Patel, Shri Prabhudas 

MR. SPEAKER : The result** of the 
d : vis ion is : 

Ayes— 366; Noes— 4 

The motion is carried by a majority of 
the total membership of the House and by 
a majority of not less than two-thirds ol 
the Members present and voting. 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. SPEAKER : We now take up 
clause consideration of the Bill. We take 
up Clause-by-Clause 2. There is an 
amendment No. 1 by Shri B.V. Naik Is he 
moving it ? 

SHRI B.V. NAIK (Kanara) : I am not 
moving it. 

MR. SPEAKER : That is not moved. 

I will now put clause 2 to the vote of 
the House. We will follow the same proce- 
dure. The Lobbies are already cleared. 


The question is : 

“That clause 2 stand part of the Bill” 
The Lok Sabha divided : 

Division No. 3] AYES [15.36 hr*. 

Achal Singh, Shri 
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao 
Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed 
Agrawal, Shri Shnknshna 
Ah.rwar, Shri Nathu Ram 
Ahmed, Shri F.A. 

Alagesan, Shri O.V. 

Ambesh, Shri 
Anand Singh, Shri 
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman 
Appalanaidu, Shri 
Arvind Netam, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Awdhesh Chandra mgh, Shri 
Azad, Shii Bhagwat Jha 
Aziz Imam. Shri 
Bahuguna, Shri H.N. 

Ba.pai, Shri V.dya Dhar 
Baladhanda>utham, Shri K, 

Balakrishn ah. Shri T 
Banamali B tbu, Shri 
Banera, Shri Hamendia Singh 
Banerjee, Shri S M. 

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul 
Barman, Shri R.N. 

Barua, Shri Bedabrata 
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai 
Basappa, Shri K. 

Basumatari, Shri D. 

Besra, Shn S.C. 

Bhagat, Shri H K L. 

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shn 
Bhandare, Shn R.D. 

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath 
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan l.al 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish 
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu 
Bhaura, Shri B S 
Bheeshmadev, Shri M. 

Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh 
Brahmanandji, Shri Swami 
Buta Singh, Shri 


•Wrongly voted for ‘NOES’. 

**The following Members also recorded their votes for AYES : 

Dr. Jivraj Mehta, Sarvshri D.D. Desai. K. Lakkappa, Tarkeshwar Pandey, T. Sohan 
Lai, Vasant Sathe, J.G. Kadam, Anand Singh, K. Veeriah, Murasoli Maran, S A. 
Muruganantham, Kartik Oraon, Prabhudas Patel, M. Bheeshmadev and Dr. 
Mahipatray Mehta. 



241 * Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 {SAKA) 


(JO Arndt.) Bill 242 


Chak!eshwar Singh, Shri 
Chandra Gowda, Shri D.B. 

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chandrappan, Shri C.K. 
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa, 
Shri T.V. 

Chandrika Prasad, Shri 
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath 
Chaturvcdi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhari, ghri Amarsmh 
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh 
Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chavda, Shri K. S. 

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath 
Chellachami, Shri A. M. 

Chhotey Lai, Shri 
Chhutten Lai, Shri 
Chittibabu, Shri C. 

Choudhary, Shri B. E. 

Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Dalbir Singh, Shri 
Dalip Singh, Shri 
Darbara Singh, Shri 
Das, Shri Anadi Charan 
Das, Shri Dharnidhar 
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas 
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. 

Deb, Shri Dasaratha 
Deo, Shri S. N. Smgh 
Desai, Shri D. D. 

Deshmukh, Shri K. G. 

Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S. 
Dhamankar, Shri 
Dhandapani, Shri C. T. 

Dharamgaj Singh, Shri 
Dharia, Shri Mohan 
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad 
Dinesh Singh, Shri 
Dixit, Shri G. C. 

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra 
Doda, Shri Hiralal 
Dube, Shri J. P. 1 

Dumada, Shri L. K. 

Dutta, Shri Biren 
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar 
Engti, Shri Biren 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Shri K. R. 

Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Garcha, Shri Davinder Singh 
Gautam, Shri C D. 

Gavit, Shri T. H. 

Ghosh, Shri P. K. 

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh 
Giri, Shri V. Shanker 


G dara, Shri Mani Ram 
Godfrey, Shrimati M. 

Gogoi, Shri Tarun 
Gohain, Shri C. C. 

Gokhale, Shri H. R 
Gomango, Shri Giridhar 
Gopal, Shri K. 

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra 
Govind Das, Dr. 

Gowda, Shri Pam pan 
Guha, Shri Samar 
Gupta, Shri Indrajit 
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Hansda, Shri Subodh 
Hari Ki shore Singh, Shri 
Hari Singh, Shri 
Hashim, Shri M. M. 

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan 
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. 

Jadeja, Shri D. P. 

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Janardhanan, Shri C. 

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Jha, Shri Chiranjib 
Jharkhande Rai, Shri 
Jitendn Prasad, Shri 
Joarder, Shri Dinesh 
Joshi, Shri Jagannathrao 
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M. 

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra 
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao 
Kadam, Shri J G 
Kadannappaili, Shri Ramachandran 
Kader, Shri S. A. 

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. 

Kailas, Dr. 

Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam 
Kakoti, Shri Robin 
Kale, Shri 

Kamakshaiah, Shri D. 

Karaala Prasad, Shri 
Kamble, Shri T. D. 

Kamla Kumari, Kurnari 
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal 
Karan Singh, Dr. 

Kasture, Shri A. S. 

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila 
Kavde, Shri B. R. 

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri 
Khadilkar, Shri R. K. 

Kinder Lai, Shri 
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha 
Kisku, Shri A. K. 

Kotoki, Shri Liladhar 
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K. 

Krishnan, Shri M. K. 

Kulkarni, Shri Raja 



24 3 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(BOth Admt.) Bill 244 


Ki maramangalpm, Shri S. Mohan 
Kuree], Shu B. N. 

Kushok Bakula, Shri 
Lakkappa, Shu K. 
Lakshnukanthamma, Shrimati T. 
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M. R. 
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Lutfal Haque, Shri 
Madhukar, Shri K. M. 

Mahajan, Shri Vikrarn 
Mahajan, Shri Y. S. 

Mahata, Shri Debend. a Nath 
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar 
Majhi, Sim Kum r 
Malaviya, S! i K D 
Malhotr , Shii 'nier J. 

Mallanna, Shii K. 

Mallikarjun, Shri 
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain 
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad 
Manoharan, Shri K 
Maran, Shri Murasoli 
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj 
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray 
Melkote, Dr. G. S. 

Mirdha, Shri Nathu P*am 
Mishra, Shri B.bluli 
Mishra, Shri G. S. 

Mishra, Shri Jagannath 
Mishra, Shri L N 
Mishra, Shri ShyamnanJan 
M»sra, Shri S. N. 

Modak, Shri Bijoy 
Modi, Shri Shnkishan 
Mody, Shri Piloo 
Mohan Swarup, Shri 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder 
Mohsin, Shri F. H. 

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri 
Murthy, Shri B S. 
Muruganantham, Shri S. A. 
Nahata, Shri Anirit 
Naik, Shri B. V. 

Nanda, Shri G. L. 

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh 
Nimbalkar, Shri 
Oraon, Shri Kartik 
Oraon. Shri Tuna 
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath 
Painuli, Shri Paripoornanand 
Palodkar, Shri Mamkrao 
Panda, Shri D K 
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain 
Pandey, Shri R S. 


Pandey, Shri Sudhakar 
Pandey, Thri Tarkeshwar 
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain 
Pandit, Sh.i S. T. 

Pi n grahi, Shri Chintamani 
Pant, Shri K. C. 

Paokai Haokip, Slui 
Para^har, Prof Narain Chand 
Parma«, Shu Bhaijibhai^ 

Pas tap Singh, Shri 
Pai thasaiathy, Shri P. 

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat 
Patel. Shri Arvind M. 

Patel, Shi i Natwarlal 
Pa cl, Slui Prabhud^s 
Patel, Shi i Ramubhai 
Pa il, S'iri Anantiao 
Paul, Sh r i C A. 

Patil, Shri E. V Vikhe 
Paiil, Shri Kr.shnarao 
Patil, Shri S. B. 

Pa til, Shri T.A. 

Patnaik, Shri Banamali 
Patnaik, Shri J B. 

Peje, Shri S.L. 

Piliai. Shri R Balaknshana 
Pridhan, Shri DIun Shah 
PraJhani, Shri K 
Purty, Shu M S. 

Qureshi, Shi i Mohd Shall 
Radhakrishnan, Shri S, 

Raghu Rama'ah, Shu K. 

Rai, Shrimati Sahodrabai 
Raj Bahadur, Shri 
R jdco Singh, Shri 
Rcjii, Shri P V. G 
Ram, Shri Tulmohan 
Ram Dhnn, Shri 
Ram Prakash, Sh:i 
Ram Sewak, Ch. 

Rain Surat Prasad, Shri 
Ram Swarup, Shu 
Ramji Ram, Shi l 
Ramsheklnr Prasad Sirgh, Shri 
Rc msin i h Bhai, Shu 
Rana, Shu M. B 
Ranabuhadur S«ngh, Shn 
Rao, Shrimati B Radhabai A. 
Rao, Shn J. Rame^hwar 
Rao, Shn Jagannath 
Rao, Dr K L. 

Rao, Shri K Narayana 
Rao, Shri M Satyanarayan 
Rao, Shi i P Ankineedu Prasada 
Rao, Shii Patttbhi Rama 
Rao, Shri Rajagrpafa 
Rao, Dr. V, K. R. Varadaraja 



245 Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (5/4K4) 


(30th Admt.) Bill 246 


Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 
Raut, Shri Bhola 
Ravi, Shri Vayalar 
Ray, Shrimati Maya 
Reddi, Shri P, Antony 
Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami 
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna 
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal 
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa 
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha 
Reddy, Shri P. V. 

Richhanya, Dr. Govmd Das 
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Rudra Piatap Singh, Shri 
Sadhu Ram, Shri 
Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque 
Saminathan, Shri P. A. 

Sanghi, Shri N. K 
Sangliana, Shri 
Sankata Prasad, Dr. 

Sant Bux Singh Shri 
Sarkar, Shri Sakti Kumar 
Sathe, Shri Vasant 
Satish Chandra, Shri 
Satyanarayana, Shri B. 

Savant, Shri Shankerrao 
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati 
Sayeed, Shri P M 
Sen, Shri A. K. 

Sen, Dr. Ranen 
Sen, Shri Robin 
Sethi, Shri Arjun 
Sezhiyan, Shri 
Shafee, Shri A. 

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri 
Shailan:, Shri Chandra 
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh 
Shambhu Nath, Shri 
Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri 
Shankar Dev, Shri 
Shankaranand, Shri B. 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma, Dr. H P 
Sharma, Shri Madhoram 
SHarma, Shri Nawal Kishore 
Sharma, Shri R, N, 

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal 
Shashi Bhushan, Shri 
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan 
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram 


Shastri, Shri Sheopijan 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Sher Singh, Prof. 

Shinde, Shii Annasaheb P. 
Shiva Candika, Shri 
Shivnath Singh, Shri 
Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 
Siddayya, Shri S. M. 
Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri 
Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap 
Sinha, Shrt Dharam Bir 
Sinha, Shri Nawal Kishore 
Sinha, Shri R. K. 

Sinha, Shri Satyendra NarayaQ 
Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh 
Sonar, Dr. A. G. 

Stephen, Shri C. M. 
Subramaniam, Shri C. 
S'.idarsanam, Shri M. 

Sunder Lai, Shri 
Surendra Pal Sngh, Shri 
Swaminathan, Shri R. V. 
Swamy, Shri Sidrameshwar 
Swaran Singh, Shri 
Swatantra, Shri Teja Singh 
Tarodekar, Shri V. D. 

Tayyab Hussain, Shri 
Tewari, Shri Shankar 
Thakre, Shri S B. 

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao 
Tiwari, Shr, R. G. 

Tiwary. Shri D. N. 

Tiwary, Shri K. N. 

Tombi Singh, Shri N. 

Tula Ram, Shri 
Tulsiram, Shri V. 

Uikey, Shri M. G. 
Ulaganambi, Shri R. P. 
Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. 
Vekaria, Shri 
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P 
Venkatswamy, Shri G. 

Verma, Shri Balgovind 
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad 
Vlkal, Shri Ram Chandra 
Virbhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan, Shri G. 

Yadav, Shri Chandrajit 
Yadav, Shri Karan Singh 
Yadav, Shri N. P. 

Yadav, Shri R. P. 

NOFS 

NA 



247 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30tk Admt.) Bill 248 


MR. SPEAKER : result* of the 

division is : 

AYES— 375; NOES — nil 

The motion is carried by a majority of 
the total membership of the House and by 
a majority of not less than two- thirds of 
the Members present and voting. 

Tha motion was adopted 

Clause 2 was added to the Bill 

MR. SPEAKER : Clause 3. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The lobbies 
should be cleared once again. Otherwise 
there will be the impression. 

srte vtt ^ i" 

MR. SPEAKER : We shall do it at 
the final stage again. 

Even before that, I got your opinion 
about lobbies being closed already. You 
said, ‘closed’. If anybody had said that the 
lobby should be cleared, I would not have 
objected to it. 

No amendment is moved to Clause 3. 
The question is; 

“That Clause 3 stand part of the Bill.” 
The Lok Sabha divided : 

Division No. 4] AYES [15 38 hrs. 

Achal Singh, Shri 
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao 
Aga, Shn Syed Ahmed 
Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna 
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram 
Ahmed, Shri F. A. 

Alagesan, Shri O. V. 

Ambesh, Shri 
Anand Singh, Shri 
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman 
Appalanaidu, Shri 
Arvind Netam, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri 
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha 
A^iz Imam, Shri 


Bahuguna, Shri H. N. 

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar 
Baladhandayutham, Shri K. 
Balakrishniah, Shri T. 

Banamali Babu, Shri 
Banera, Shn Hamendra Singh 
Banerjee, Shri S M. 

Banerji, Shrimati Mukul 
Barman, Shn R. N. 

Barua, Shn Bedabrata 
Barupai, Shri Panna Lai 
Basappa, Shri K. 

Basumatan, Shn D. 

Besra, Shri S. C. 

Bhagat, Shn H. K. L 
Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri 
Bhandare, Shri R. D, 

Bhargava, Shn Basheshwar Nath 
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish 
Bhattacharyyaia, Shri Chapalcndu 
Bhaura, Shn B. S. 

Bheeshmadev, Shri M. 

Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shn Narendra Singh 
Brahmanandji, Shn Swami 
Buta Singh, Shn 
Chaklcshwar Singh, Shn 
Chandra Gowda. Shri D. B. 

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shn 
Chandrappan, Shri C. K. 
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa 
Shn T. V. 

Chandrika Prasad, Shri 
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath 
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhari, Shri Amarsmh 
Chaudhary, Shn Nitiraj Singh 
Chavan, Shri D. R. 

Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chavda, Shri K. S. 

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath 
Chellachami, Shri A. M. 

Chhotey Lai, Shri 
Chhutten Lai, Shri 
Chittibabu, Shri C. 

Choudhary. Shri B. E. 

Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Dalbir Singh, Shri 
Dalip Singh, Shri 
Darbara Singh, Sh 


*Tbe following Members also recorded their votes for ‘AYES’ : 

Sarvshri priya Ranjan Das Munsi, Mihamval yusif T. Sohan Lai, Damodar 

Pandey, K. Veeriah and Dr. Sarad'sh Roy 



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{30th Admt.) Bill 25 Q 


Das, Shri Anadi Charan 
Das, Shri Dharoidhar 
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas 
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. 

Deb, Shri Dasaratha 
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh 
Desai, Shri D. D. 

Deshmukh, Shri K. G. 
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S. 
Dhamankar, Shri 
Dhandapani, Shri C. T. 
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri 
Dharia, Bhri Mohaa 
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prasad 
Dinesh Singh, Shri 
Dixit, Shri G. C. 

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra 
Doda, Shri Hiralal 
Dube, Shri J. P. 

Dvmada, Shri L. K. 

Dutta, Shri Biren 
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar 
Engti, Shri Biren 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Shri K. R. 

Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Garcha, Shri Devinder Singh 
Gautam, Shri C. D. 

Gavit, Shri T. H. 

Ghosh, Shri P. K. 

Gill, Shri Mohioder Singh 
Giri, Shri V. Shanfcer 
Godara, Shri Mani Ram 
Godfrey, Shrimati M. 

Gogoi, Shri Tarun 
Gohain, Shri C. C. 

Gokhale, Shri H. R. 

Goniango, Shri Giridhar 
Gopal, Shri K. 

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra 
Govind Das, Dr. 

Gowda, Shri Pampan 
Guha, Shri Samar 
Gupta, Shri Indrajit 
Hansda, Shri Subodh 
Hari Kishore Singh, Shri 
Hari Singh, Shri 
Hashim, Shri M. M. 

Hazra, Shri Manor&njan 
Ishaque, Shri A. K. M. 

Jadeja, Shri D. P. 
Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Janardhanan, Shri C. 
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Jha, Shri Chiranjib 
Jharkhande Rai, Shri 


Jitendra Prasad, Shri 
Joarder, Shn Dinesh 
Joshi, Shri Jagmna fcra. 

Joshi, Shri Popatlal M. 

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra 
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao 
Kadam, Shri J. G. 

Kadannappalli, Shri Ramachandran 
Kader, Shri S. A. 

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. 

Kailas, Dr. 

Kakodhar, Shri Purushottam 
Kakoti, Shri Robin 
Kale, Shri 

Kamakshaiah, Shri D. 

Kamala Prasad, Shri 
Kamble. Shri T. D. 

Kamla Kumari, Kuraari 
Kapur, Shri Sat Pal 
Karan Shgh, Dr. 

Kasture, Shri A. S. 

Kaul, Shrimati Sheila 
Kavde. Shri B R. 

Kedar Nath Smgh, Shri 
Khadilkar, Shn R.k . 

Kinder Lai, S ri 
Kisku, Shn A. K. 

Kotoni, Shri Liladhar 
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K. 

Krishnan, Shri M. K. 

Kulkarni, Shri Raja 
Kumaramangalam, Shri S. Mohan 
Kureel, Shri B. N. 

Kushok Bakula, Shri 
Lakkappa, Shri K. 
Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati T. 
Lakshshminarayanan, Shri M R 
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Lutfal Haque, Shri 
Mahajan, Shri Vikram 
Maljajan, Shri Y. S. 

Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath 
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar 
Majhi, Shri Kumar 
Malaviya, Shri K. D. 

Malhotra, Shri Indcr J. 

Matlanna, Shri K. 

Mallikarjun, Shri 
Mandat, Shri Jagdish Narain 
Mandat, Shri Yamuna Prasad 
Manoharan, Shri K. 

Maran, Shri Murasoli 
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray 
Melkote, Dr. G, S. 

Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram 



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AUGUST 17, 1972 


(30th AdrrJ.) Bill 252 


Mish;a, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra, Shri G. S. 

Mishra, Shri Jagannath 
Mishra, Shri L. N. 

Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan 
Misra, Thri S. N. 

Modak, Shri Bijols 
Modi, Shri Shrikishan 
Mody, Shri Piloo 
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri 
Mohan Swarup, Shri 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder 
Mohsm, Shri F H. 

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri 
Munsi, Shri Piiya Ranjan Das 
Murthy, Shri B. S. 
Muruganantham, Shri S. A. 
Nahata, Shri Amnt 
Naik, Shn B. V. 

Nanda, Shri G. L. 

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh 
Nimbalkar, Shri 
Oraon, Shri Kartik 
Oraon, Shri Tuna 
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath 
Painuh, Shri Paripoornand 
Palodkar, Shri Mamkrao 
Panda, Shn D. K. 

Parndey, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shn Narsingh Narain 
Pandey. Shri R. S. 

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar 
Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar 
Pandeya, Dr. Laxminarain 
Pandit, Shn S. T. 

Pamgrahi, Shri Chintamani 
Pant, Shri K. C. 

Paokai, Haokip, Shri 
Paras ha r, Prof. Narain Chand 
Parmar, Shri Bhaljibhai 
Partap Singh, Shri 
Parthasarathy, Shri P. 

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat 
Patel, Shri Arvind M. 

Patel, Shri Natwarlal 
Patel, Shri Prabhudas 
Patel, Shri Ramubhai 
Pat I, Shri Anantrao 
Patil, Shri C. A. 

Paul, Shri E. V. Vikhe 
Patil, Shri irishnarao 
Patil, Shri S. B. 

Patil, Shri T„ A. 

Pajnaik, Shri Banamali 
Patnaik, Shri J. B. 

Pcje, Shri S. L. 

Pillai, Shri R. Balakrishna 


Pradhan, Shri Dhao Shah 
Pradhani, Shi i K. 

Purty, Shri M. S. 

Qureshi, Mohd. Shafi 
Radhakrishnan, Shri S. 

Raghu Ramaiah, Shri K, 

Rai, Shrimati Sahodrabai 
Raj, Eahadur. Shri 
Rajdco Singh, Shri 
Raju, Snri P. V. G. 

Ram, Shri Tulmohan 
Ram Dhan, Shri 
Ram Prakash, Shri 
Ram Sewak, Ch. 

Ram Surat Prasad, Shri 
Ram Swarup. Shri 
Ramji Ram, Shri 
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri 
Ramsmgh Bhai, Shri 
Rana, Shn M. B. 

Ranabahadur Singh, Shri 
Rao, Shrimati B. Radhabai A. 
Rao, Shri J. Ramcshwar 
Rao, Shri Jagannath 
Rao, Shri K Narayana 
Rao, Shri M, Satyanarayan 
Rao, Shri Nageswara 
Rao, Shn P. Ankineedu Prasada 
Rao, ShriPattabhi Rama 
Rao, Shri Rajagopala 
Rao, Dr. V. K. R. Varadaraja 
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 
Raut, Shri Bhola 
Ravi, Shri Vayalar 
Ray, Shrimati Maya 
Reddi, Shri P Antony 
Reddy, Shn K. Kodanda Rami 
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna 
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal 
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa 
Reddy, Shn p. Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasunha 
Reddy, Shri P. V. 

Richhanya, Dr. Govind Das 
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Roy, Dr. Saradish 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri 
Sadau Ram, Shri 
Saha, Shri Ajit Kumar 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Sanrnta, Shri S. C. 

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque 
Saminathan, Shri P. A. 

Sanghi, Shri N. K. 

Sangliana, Shri 



253 Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


{30th Arndt.) Bill 254 


Sankata Prasad, Dr. 

Sant Bux Singh, Shri 
Sarkar, Shri Sakti Kumar 
Sathe, Shri Vasant 
Satish Chandra, Shri 
Satyanarayana, Shri B. 

Savant, Shri Shankerrao 
Savitri Shyam, Shnmati 
Sayeed, Shri P. M. 

Sen, Shri A. K. 

Sen, Dr. Rancn 
Sen. Shri Robin 
Sethi, Shri Arjun 
Sezhiyan, Shri 
Shafee, Shri A. 

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri 
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh 
Shambhu Nath, Shri 
Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri 
Shankar Dev, Shri 
Shankaranand, ShnJ* 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma, Dr. H. P. 

Sharma, Shri Madhoutm 
Sharma, Shri Nawal Ki shore 
Sharma, Sh i R N. 

Sharma. Dr Shankar Dayal 
Shashi Rhi shan, Shri 
Shastri, Shri Vrswanarayan 
Shastri, Sh i R ja Ram 
Shastri, Shri Shcopujan 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Sher Singh, Prof. 

Shinde, Shn Annasaheb P. 

Shiva Candika. Shri 
Shivnath Singh, Shii 
Shukla, Shri B R. 

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 
Siddayya, Shri S. M 
Siddheshwai Prasad, Shri 
S ngh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap 
Sinha, Shri Dharam Bir 
Sinha, Shri Nawal K'slo e 
Si iha, Shri R. K. 

Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan 
Sohan Lai. Shri T. 

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh 
Sonar, Dr. A. G. 

Stephen. Shri C. M. 

Subramaniam, Shri C. 

Sudarsanam, Shri M. 

Sunder Lai, Shri 
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri 


Swaminathan, Shri R. V. 

Swamy, Shri Sidiameshwar 
Swaian Singh, Shn 
Swatantri ShriTeja Singh 
Tarodekar, Shri V. D. 

Tayyab Hugsain. Shn 
Tewari, Shn Shankar 
Thakre, Shn S. B. 

Thakur, Shn Krisnarao 
Tiwan, Shn R. G. 

Tiwary, Shn D N. 

Tiwary, Sri K N. 

Tombi Singh, Shri N. 

Tula Ram, Shii 
Tulsiram, Shn V. 

Uikey, Shri M, G. 

CJIaganambi, Shri R. P. 

Lnniki ishnan, Shri K. P. 

Vecriah, Shn K. 

Vekaiia, Shri 

Venkatasubbainh Shri P. 

Vcnkatswamy, Shn G. 

Verma. Shri Balgovind 
Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad 
Vikal, Shn Ram Chandra 
Vnbhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan, Shri G. 

Yadav, Shn Chandrajit 
Yadav, Shn Karan Singh 
Yadav, Shri N P. 

Yadav, Shri R. P. 

NOES 

NIL 

MR. SPEAKER : The result* of the 
division is : Ayes 377; Noes Nil 

The motion is carried by a majority of 
the total mcmbeiship of the House and by 
a majority of not less than two-thirds of the 
members present and voting. 

* The motion ntw adopted. 

Clause 3 was added to the Bill. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 
“That Clause I stand part of the Bill.” 
The Lok Sabha divided. 


•The following Members also recorded their votes for 'AYES’ : 

Sarvshri Chandra Shailani, Damodar pandey, T. Kiruthman and Kirishna Chandra 
Haider. 



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(30th Arndt.) Bill 25 6 


Division No. 5] AYES [15.40 lirs. 

Achal Sintrh, Shri 
Afszalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao 
Ago, Shn Syed Ahmed 
Agrawal, Shri Shrikrishna 
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram 
Ahmed, Shri F. A. 

Alagesan, Shri O. V. 

Ambesh, Shri 
Anand Singh, Shri 
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rahman 
Appa’anaidu, Shri 
Arvind Netam, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Awdhesh Chandra Singh, Shri 
Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha 
Aziz Imam, Shri 
Bahuguna, Shri H. N. 

Bajpai, Shri Vidva Dhar 
Baladhandayutham, Shri K. 
Balaknshmah, Shri T. 

Banamili Babu, Shri 
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh 
Banerjpe, Shri S. M. 

Banerji. Shrimati Mukul 
Barman, Shri R. N. 

Barua, Shri Bedabrata 
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai 
Basppa, Shri K. 

Basumatari, Shri D. 

Besra. Shri S. C 
Bhagat, Shri H. K. L. 

Bhagirath Bhauwar, Shri 
Bhandere, Shri R. D. 

Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Dinen 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish 
Bhattachayyia, Shri Chapalendu . 
Bhaura, Shri B. S. 

Bheeshmadev, Shri M. 

Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

But, Shri Narendra Singh 
Bahmanandji, Shri Swami 
Buta Singh, Shri 
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri 
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. 

Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chandra ppan, Shri C. K. 
Chandrashekharappa Veerabasappa, 
Shri T. V. 

Chandrika Prasad, Shri 
Chatterjec, Shri Somnath 
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhari, Shri Amarsinh 
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh 


Chavan, Shri D. R. 

Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chadaa, Shri K. S. 

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath 
Chellachami, Shri A. M. 
Chhotey Lai, Shri 
Chhutten Lai, Shri 
Chittibabu, SSri C. 

Choudhary. Shri B. E. 
Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque 
Dalbir Singh, Shri 
Dalip Singh, Shri 
Darbara Singh, Shri 
Das, Shri Anadi Charan 
Das, Shri Dharnidhar 
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas 
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. 

Deb, Shri Dasaratha 
Deo, Shri S. N. Singh 
Desai, Shri D. D. 

Deshmukh, Shri K. G. 
Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S. 
Dhandapani Shri C. T. 
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri 
Dharia, Shri Mohan 
Dhusia, Shri Anant Prassd 
Dinesh Singh, Shri 
Dixit, Shri G. D. 

Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra 
Doda, Shri Hiralal 
Dube, Shri J. P. 

Dumada, Shri L. K. 

Dutta, Shri Biren 
D wived i, Shri Nageshwar 
Engti, Shri Biren 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Shri K. R. 

Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Garcha, Shri Devinder Singh 
Gautam, Shri C. D. 

Gavit, Shri T. H. 

Ghosh, Shri P. K, 

Gill.- Shri Mobinder Singh 
Giri, Shri V. Shanker 
Godara, Shri Mani Ram 
Godfrey, Shrimati M. 

Gogoi, Shri Tarun 
Gohin, Shri C. C. 

Gokhale, Shri H. R. 

Gomango, Shri Giridhar 
Gopal, Shri K. 

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra 
Govind Das, Dr. 

Gowda, Shri Pompan 
Guha, Shri Samar 
Gupta, Shri Indrajit 
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra 



25ft Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1899 (SAKA) 


(30th Admt .) Bill 2S8 


Hansda, Shri Subodh 
Hari Kishorc Singh, Shri 
Hari Singh, Shri 
Hashim, Shri M. M. 

Hazra, Shri Manoranjan 
Ishaq ue, Shri A. K. M. 

Jadeja, Shri D. P. 

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Janardhanan, Shri C. 

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Jha, Shri Chiranjib 
Jharkhande Rai, Shri 
Jitendra Prasad, Shri 
Joardcr, Shri Dinesh 
Joshi, Sh i Jagannathrao 
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M. 

Joshi, Shrimati Subhadra 
Kadam, Shri Dattajirao 
Kadam, Shri J. G. 

Kadannappalli, Shri Rarnachandran 
Kader, Shri S A. 

Kahandole, Shri Z. M. 

Kailas, Dr. 

Kakodkar, Shri Purushottam 
Kakoti, Shri Robin 
Kale, Shri 

Kamakshaiah, Shri D. 

Kamala P * sad, Shri 
Kamble, Shri T. D. 

Kapur, Shri Sat Pal 
Karan Singh, Dr. 

Kasture, Shri A. S. 

Kaul, Shiimati Sheila 
Kavde, Shri B R. 

Kedar Nath Singh, Shn 
Kinder Lai, Shri 
Kiruttinan, Shi l Tha 
Kisku, Shri A K. 

Kotoki, Shri Liladhar 
Kotrashetti, Shn A. K. 

Kiishnan, Shri M. K. 

Kulkarni, Shn Raja 
Kumaramangalam, Shn S Mohan 
Kureel, Shn B. N. 

Kushok Bakula, Shri 
Lakkappa, Shri K. 
L'lkshmikanthamma, Shrimati T. 
Lakshminarayanan, Shn M. R. 
Lambodar Bahyar, Shii 
Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Lutfal Haque, Sh»i 
Madhukar, Shri K. M. 

Mahajan, Shri Vikram 
Mahata, Shri Debendra Nath 
Majhi, Shri Gajadhar 
Majhi, Shri Kumar 


Malaviya, Shri K. D. 

Malhotra, Shri Inder J. 

Mil llanna, Shri K. 

Mallikarjun, Shri 
Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain 
Mandal, Shn Yamuna Prasad 
Manoharan Shn K. 

Marak, Shii K. 

Maran, Shri Muiasoli 
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj 
Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray 
Melkotc, Dr. G. S. 

Mirdha, Shri Nathu Ram 
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra, Shri G. S. 

Mishra, Shri Jagannath 
Mishra, Shn L. N. 

Mishra, Shri Shyamnandan 
Mo dak, Shri Bijoy 
Modi, Shn Shnkishan 
Mody, Shri Piloo 
Mohammad Yurnf, Shri 
Mohan Swarup, Shri 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder 
Mohsin, Shri F. H. 

Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, Shri 
Munsi, Shn Priya Ranjan Das 
Murthy, Shri B S. 
Muruganantham, Shri S. A. 
Nahata, Shn Amrit 
Naik, Shn B V. 

Nanda, Shri G. L. 

Negi, Shri Pratap Singh 
Nimbalkar, Shri 
Oiaon, Snri Kartik 
Oraon, Shn Tuna 
Pahadia, Shri Jagannath 
Painuh, Shn Panpoornanand 
Palodkar, Shn Mamkrao 
Panda Shri D. K. 

Pandey, Shri Damodar 
Pandey, Shn Kr.shna Chandra 
Pandev, Shn Narsingh Narain 
Pandey, Shn R. S. 

Pandey, Shri Sudhakar 
Pandey, Shn Tarkeshwar 
Pandcya, Dr. Laxminarain 
Pandit, Shri S. T. 

Panurahi, Shn Chintamani 
Pant, Shri K. C. 

Paokai. Haokip, Shri 
Parashar, Prof. Narain Chand 
Parmar, Shri Bhatjibhai 
Partap Singh Shri 
Parthasarathy, Shri P. 

Paswan, Shn Ram Bhagat 
Patel, Shri Arvind M. 



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(30th Admt.) Bill 260 


Patel, Shri Natwarlal 
Patel, Shri Prabhudas 
Patel, Shri Ramubhai 
Patil, Shri Anantrao 
Patil, Shri C.A. 

Patil. Shri E. V. Vikhe 
Patil, Shri Kihhanarao 
Patil, Shri S. B. 

Patil, Shri T. A. 

Patnaik, Shri Banamali 
Patnaik, Shri J. B. 

Peje, Shn S L. 

Pillai, Shn R. Balakrishana 
Prabodh Chandra, Shri 
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah 
Pradhani, Shri K. 

Purty, Shn M. S. 

Qureshi, Sh'i Mohd. Shafi 
Radhaknshnan, Shri S 
Raghu Ramaiah, Shn K 
Rai, Shnmati Sahodrabai 
Raj Bahadur, Shri 
Rajdco Sinuh, Shri 
P.aju, Shri P. V. G. 

Ram, Shri Tulmohan 
Ram Dhan, Shn 
Ram Prakash, Shri 
Ram Sewak, Ch. 

Ram Surat Prasad, SJi i 
Ram Swarup, Shri 
Ramji Ram, Shri 
Ramshekhar Prasad S ngh, Shri 
Ramsingh Bhai, Shri 
Rana, Shri, M B. 

Ranabahadur Singh Shri 
Rao, Shrimati B, Radhabai A 
Rao, Shn J. Rameshwar 
Rao, Shn Jagannath 
Rao. Dr. K L 
Rao, Shri K Narayana 
Rao. Shri M Sat>anarayan 
Rao, Shri P Anhineedu Prasada 
Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama 
Rao, Shn Rajagt pala 
Rao Dr V. K. R. Varadaraja 
Rathia, Shn Umed Singh 
Rant. Shn Bhola 
Ravi, Shri Vayalar 
Ray, Shrimati Maya 
Rcddi, Shri P. Antony 
Reddy, Shri K. Kodanda Rami 
Reddy, Shri K. Ramakrishna 
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopal 
Reddy, Shri P. Bayapa 
Reddy. Shri P Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha 
Reddy, Shri P. V 


Richha iya Dr. Govind Das 
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Roy, Dr. Saradish 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shn 
Sadhu Ram, Shri 
Saha, Shn Ajit Kumar 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sambhuh, Shri lshaque 
SaminatJian, Shn P. A. 

Singhi, Shri N K. 

Sangliana, Shn 
S inkata Prasad, Dr. 

S ini Bux Singh, S iri 
Sukar, Shri Sakti Kumar 
S tush Chandra, Shri 
S ityanarayana, Shri B. 

Savant, Shri Shankerrao 
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati 
Sayeed, Shri P. M, 

Sen, Shri A. K, 

Sen Dr Ranen 

Sen, Shu Robin 

Sethi, Shri Arjun 

Sezhiyan, Shri 

Shafee, Shri A 

Shai.awaz Khan, Shri 

SJiai’ani, Shn Chandra 

Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh 

Shambhu Nath, Shri 

Shanbar Dayal Singh 

Shankar Dev, Sh i 

Shankaranand, Shn B. 

Slurma, Shri A P. 

Shaima, Dr. H. P. 

Sha/ma, Shri Madhoram 
Sharma, Shn Nav\al Kishore 
Sharma, Shri R. N. 

Sharma, Dr, Shankar Dayal 
Shashi Bhu*han, Shri 
Shas»n, Shu Viswanarayan 
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram 
Shastn. Shn Sheopujan 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Slier Singh Prof 
Shinde, Shn Annasaheb P. 

Shiva Candika, Shn 
Shivnath Singh, Shri 
Shukla, Shri B. R, 

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 
Sicldhayya, Shri S. M. 
Siddheshwar Prasad. Shri 
Singh, Shn Vishwanath Pratap 
Sinha, Shri Dharam B : r 
Sinha, Shri Naval Kishoie 
Sinha, Shri R K. 



t[ Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, 1891 (SAKA) 


(30 Arndt.) Bill 262 


Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan 
Sohan Lai, Shri Shri T. 

Sokhis Shri Swaran Singh 
Sonar, Dr. A. G. 

Stephen, Shri C. M. 
Subramamam. Shri C. 
Sudra r anam, Shri M. 

Sunder Lai, Shri 
Surendra Pal Sal Singh, Shri 
Swaminathan, Shri R. V. 
Swamy, Shri Sidiameshwar 
Swaran Singh, Shri 
Swatantra, Shri Tcja Singh 
Tarodckear. Shri V D. 

Tayyab Hussain, Shri 
Thakre, Shri S. B. 

Thakur, Shri Krishnarao 
Tiwari, Shri R. G. 

Tiwary, Shri D. N. 

Tiwary, Shri K N. 

Tombi Singh, Shri N. 

Tula Ram, Shri 
Tulsiram. Shri V. 

Uikey, Shri M G. 
Ulaganambi, Shri R. P 
Unmkri^hnan Shri K. P. 
Veeriah, Shri K, 

Vekana, Shri 
Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. 
Venkatswamy. Shn G 
Verma, Shri Balgovind 
Vcrma, Shn Sukhdeo Piasad 
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra 
Vi-bhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan, Shri G. 

Yadav Shri Chandrajit 
Yadav, Shu Karan Singh 
Yadav, Shn N. P. 

Yadci\, Shri R. P. 

NOES 

Nil 


Noes— Nil. 

The motion is carried by a majority of 
the total membership of the House and b 


a majority of not less than two-thirds of the 
members present and voting. 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 1 was added to the Bill. 

MR. SPEAKER : There will be a voice 
vote on the Enacting Formula. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : I suppose, it 
will not be challenged in the Supreme Court. 

MR. SPEAKER . Even for Clause 1, we 
have done it only by way of abundant 
caution. For this innocent thing, 1 do not 
think anybody like him will go to the court. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : No- 
body lakes him seriously, Sir. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

“That the Enacting Formula and the 

Title stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

The Enacting Formula and the Title were 
added to the Bill. 

MR SPEAKER : Before we go to the 
final voting, I would very much like that the 
doors be opened. The Members who are left 
out can come in. 

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : Sir, I beg to 
move . 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

MR SPEAKER : Let the Lobbies be 
cleared. 

The Lobbies have been cleared. 

Th'e question is : 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

The Lok Sabha divided. : 

Division No. 6j AYES [15.46 hrs. 

Acht‘1 Singh, Shn 
Afzalpurkar, Shri Dharamrao 


MR. SPEAKER : The .esult of the 
division is : Ayes— 376 


*The following Members also recorded their votes foi AYES’. 

Sarvshri Raghunandan Lai Bhatia, Dhamankar, Y. S. Mahajan, Shankar Tewari 
Vasant Sathe and Kumari Kamla Kumari. 



263 Constitutions 


ALGUST 17 1972 


(30th Arndt.) BiU 264 


Aga, Shri Syed Ahmed 
Agarwal, Shri Shrikrishna 
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram 
A imed, Shri F. A. 

Alagesan, Shu O. V. 

Ambesh, Shri 
Anand Singh, Shri 
Ankineedu, Shri Maganti 
Ansari, Shri Ziaur Rehman 
Appalanaidu, Shri 
Arvind T^et .m, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Awdhesh Chardra Singh, Shri 
Azad f Shri Bhagwat Jha 
Aziz Imam, Shri 
Bahuguna, Shri H N. 

Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar 
Baladhandayutham, Shri K. 
Balakrishmah, Shu T. 

Banamali Babu, Shri 
Banera, Shri Hamendra Singh 
Banerjec, Shri S M 
Banerji, Shnmati Mukul 
Barman, Shri R. N. 

Barua, Shri Bedabrata 
Barupal, Shri Panna La! 

Basappa, Shri K. 

Besra, Shri S C. 

Bhagat, Shri H.K.L. 

Bhagirath Bhanwai, Shri 
Bhandare, Shri R D 
Bhargava, Shri Basheshwar Nath 
Bhatia, Shri Raghunandan Lai 
Bhattachaiyya, Shri Dinen 
Bha tacharyya, Shri Jagadish 
Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu 
Bhaura, Shri B.S 
Bheeshmadev, Shri M 
Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh 
B’ahmanandji, Shri S.vami 
Buta Singh, Shri 
Chakieshwar Singh, Shri 
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. 
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chandiappan, Shri C.K. 
Chandrashekharappa Veerabisappa, 
Shri T.V. 

Chandrika Prasad, Shri 
Chatferjee, Shri Somnath 
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhari, Shn Amarsingh 
Chaudhary. Shri Nitiraj Singh 
Chavan, Shri D.R. 

Chavart, Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chaw da, Shri K. S. 

Chawla, Shri Amar Nath 


Chellaclrmi, Shri A.M. 

Chhotey Lai, Shri 
Chhutten Lai, Shri 
Chittibubu, Shri C. 

Choudhary, Shri B. E. 
Choudhury, Shri Moinul Haque 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Ddlbir Sinch, Shri 
Dalip Singh, Shri 
Darbara Singh, Shri 
Das, Shn Anadi Charan 
Das, Shri Dharnidhar 
Dasappa, Shri Tul idas 
Daschowdhury, Shri B. K. 

Deb, Shri Dasaratha 
Deo, Shri S.N Singh 
De^ai, Shri D D. 

Deshmukh, Shn K G. 
Deslimukh, Shri Shivaji Rao S. 
Dhamankar, Shri 
Dhandapani Shn C. T. 
Dharamgaj Singh, Shri 
Dharia, Shri Mohan 
Dhusia, Shri Arant Prasad 
Dinesh Singh, Shri 
Dixit, Shri G C 
Dixit, Shri Jagdish Chandra 
D 'da, Slvi Hira Lai 
Dube, Shri J . P. 

Dumada, Shri L 1C 
Dutta, Shri Biren 
Dwivodi, Shri Nagcshvvar 
Fng f 9 Shri Biren 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Sh^i K R. 

Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Garcha, Shn Devinder Singh 
Gautam, Shri C D. 

Gavit, Shri T H 
Ghosh, Shi i P. K. 

Gill, Shri Mohinder Singh 
Gin, Shn V. Shanker 
God: ra, Shn Mani Ram 
Godfrey, Shrimati M. 

Gcgoi, Shri Tarun 
Gohain, Shri C C. 

Gokhale, Shri H. R. 

Gomanga, Shn Giridhar 
Gopal, Shri K 

Goswami, Shri Dinesh Chandra 
Govind Das, Dr. 

Gowda, Sh-I Pampan 
Guha, Shri Samar 
Gupta, Shri Indrajit 
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Hansda, Shri Subodh 
Hari Kishore Singh, Shri 



265 Constitution 


SRAVANA 26, J894 (Sa RA) 


(30th Arndt ) BUI 266 


Hari Singh, Shri 
H shim, Shri M. M. 

Hazia, Shri Manoranjan 
lshaque, Shri A.K M. 

Jadeja, Shri D. P. 

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Janardhanan, Shri C. 

Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Jha, Shri Chiranjib 
Jharkhande Rai, Shri 
J tendra Piasati Shri 
Joarder, Shri D nesh 
Joshi, Shri Jaganna.hrao 
Joshi, Shri Popatlal M 
Jo, hi, Shrimati Subhadia 
Kadam, Shri Daitajnao 
Kadam, Shri J. G. 

Kadanrappalli, Shri Ramaclandran 
Kader, Shri S. A. 

Kahandole, Shri Z M. 

Kulas, Dr. 

Kakcd'iar, Shr. P irushottam 
Kakoti, Shri Robin 
Kale, Shri 

K imakshaiah, Shri D. 

Kimala Pi a* ad, Sin i 
Kamblc, Sh i T D. 

Karn'a Kuman, Kuman 
Kapur, Shri "at Pal 
Karan Singh, Dr. 

Kasture, Shri A S 
Kaul, Sh.imui Sheila 
Kavde, Shi i B R 
Kedar Nath Singh, Shri 
Khadilkar, Shri R. K. 

K nder Lai, Shri 
Kiruttinan, Shri Tha 
Kisku, Shn A. K 
Kotoki, Shri Li'adhar 
Kotraihetti, Shri A. K. 

Knshnan, Sh i M. K 
Kulkarm, Shri Raja 
Kumaramargalam, Shri S Mohan 
Kureel, Shri B N. 

Kushok Bakula, Shri 
Lakkappa, Shri K. 
Lakihmikcnthamma, Shrimati T. 
Lakshminarayanan, Shri M R, 
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Laskar, Shri Nthar 
Lutfal Haq - e, Shri 
Madhukar, Shri K. M. 

M ’hajan, Shri Vikram 
Mahajan, Shri Y. S 
Mahafa, Shri Debendra Nath 
Mahi*h’, Dr Sarojini 
Majbi, Shri Gajadhar 


Majhi, Shri Kbmar 
Malaviya, Shri K. D. 

Malhotra. Shn Inder J. 

Malkina, Shr: K. 

Malhkaijun, Shn 
Mandal, Shn Jagdish Naiah 
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad 
Mdnohaian, Shri K 
Maran, Shri Murasoli 
Mehta, Dr. Jivraj 
M hta, Dr. Mahipatray 
Me’kote, Dr. G S. 

Mndha, Shn Nathu Ram 
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra, Shri G S. 

M shra, Shi i Jagannaih 
Mishra, Shri L N. 

Mislua, Shn Shyamnandan 
Mishra, Shri S. N. 

Modak, Shi i Bijoy 
Modi, Shn Sh ik shan 
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri 
Mohan Swan in, Shri 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Su der 
Mohsm, Shri F H 
Muhammed Khuda Bukhsh, S' ti 
Munsi Shri Priya Ranjan Das 
Mmthy, Shri B S. 
Muruganantham, Shn S. A. 
Nahaia, Shri Amrit 
Naik, Shn B. V. 

Nanda, Shri G L. 

Negi, Shn Pratap Singh 
Nimbalkar, Shri 
Oraon, Shri Kartik 
O aon, Sh - 1 Tuna 
Paliada, Shri Jaganiuth 
Pa nul , Shn Paripoornanand 
Piilodkar, Shri Mamkrao 
Panda, Shn D. K. 

Pandey, Shn Damodar 
Pandcy, Shri Kiishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain 
Pandey, Shri R. S 
Pandey, Shn Sudhakar 
Pandey, Shri Tarkeswar 
Pandeya, Dr. Laxm narain 
Pandit, Shn S. T 
Pamgrahi, Shn Chintamani 
Pant, Shri K C. 

Paokai, Haokip, Shri 
Parahar, Prof, NuainChar.d 
Parma-, Shri Bhaljibhai 
Partap Singh, Shn 
Parthasarathy. Shri P. 

Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat 
Patel, Shri Arvind M. 



267 Constitution 


AUGUST 17, i<n: 


(30th Admt ) Bill 268 


Pate!, Shri Natwarla) 

Patel, Shri Prabhudap 
Patel, Shri Ramubhai 
Patil, Shri Anantrao 
Patil, Shn C. A. 

Pati), Shri E. V. Vikhe 
Patil, Shri Krishnarao 
Pati), Shri S. B. 

Patil, Shri T. A. 

Patnaik, Shn Banamalt 
Patnaik, Shrj J. B. 

Peje, Shri S. L. 

Pillai, Shrt R. Ba'akrishmt 
Prabodh Chandia. Shri 
Pradhan, Shri Dhan Shah 
Piadhani, Shri K 
Puit}, Shri M. S. 

Qureshi. Shri Mohd, Shaft 
Radh .krishnan, Shri S. 

Raghu Ramaiah. Shri K. 

Raf, Shrimati Sahodrabar 
Raj Bahadur, Shri 
Rajdeo Singh* Shri 
Raju, Shn P. V. G. 

Ram, Shri Tulmohaa 
Ram Dhan, Shri 
Ram Piakash. Shri 
Ram Sewak. Ch. 

Ram Surat Prasad. Shrr 
Ram Swarup, Shu 
Ranji Ram, Shri 
Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Shri 
Ram Singh Bhai, Shri 
Rana, Shri M. B. 

Ranabahadur Singh, Shii 
Rao, Shnmati B. Radhabai A. 
Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar 
Rao, Shri Jagannath 
Rao, Dr. K L. 

Rao, Shri K. Naryana 
Rao, Shn M. Satyanarayan 
Rao, Shri Nageswara 
Rao, Shri P, Ankineedu Prasada 
Rao, Shri Pattabhi Rama 
Rao, Shri Rajagopala 
Rao, Dr. V. K-R. Varadaraja 
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 
Raut, Shri Bhola 
Ravi, Shri Vayalar 
Ray, Shrimati Maya 
Reddi Shri P. Antony 
Reddy Shri K. Kodanda Rami 
Reddy. Shri K. Ramakrishna 
Reddy, Shri M. Ram Gopai 
Reddy Shri P. Bayapa 
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga 


Reddy, Sh i P. Narasimha 
Reddy, Shn P. V. 

Richhariya, Dr. Govind Das 
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushi la 
Roy, Shri B.shwanath 
Ray, Dr. Saradish 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri 
Sadhu Ram, Shri 
Saha. Shri Ajit Kumar 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sambhali, Shri Ishaque 
Saminathan, Shn P. A. 

Sanghi, Shri N. K. 

Sanghana, Shn 
Sankata Prasad, Dr. 

Sant Bux Singh, Shri 
Sarkar. Shn Sakti Kumar 
Sathe, Shn Vasant 
Satish Chandra, Shri 
Satyanarayana, Shri B. 

Savant, Shn Shankerrao 
Sayeed, Shi i P. M. 

Sen, Shri A K. 

Sen, Dr. Ranen 
Sen, Shn Roben 
Sethi, Shn Arjun 
Sezhiyan, Shri 
Shafee, Shn A. 

Shahnawaz Khan, Shri 

Shailani. Shn Chandra 

Shakya, Shn Maha Deepak Singh 

Shambhu Nath, Shn 

Shankar Dayal Singh, Shri 

Shankar Dev, Shn 

Shankaranand, Shri B. 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma Dr. H. P. 

Sharma, Shri Madhoram 
Sharma, Shn Nawal Kishore 
Sharma, Shri R. N. 

Sharma, Dr. Shankar Dayal 
Shashi Bhushan. Shri 
Shastri, Shri Viswanarayan 
Shastri, Shri Raja Ram 
Shastri, Shri Sheopujan 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Sher Singh, Prof. 

Sninde, Shri Annasaheb P. 

Shiva Chandika, Shri 
Shivnath Singh, Shri 
Shukla, Shri B. R. 

Shukla, Shri Vidya Charan 
Siddayya, Shri S. M. 

Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri 
Singh Shri, Vishwanath Pratap 
Sinha. Shri Dharam Bir 



269 Constitution SRAVANA 26, 1894 (5dJT4) Income Tax 270 

(30th Arndt.) Btll (Admt.) Bill 

Smha, Shri Nawal Ki shore The motion is carried by a majority of 

S.nha, Shri R. K. the total membership of the House and bv 


Smha, Shri Satyendra Narayan 
Sohan Lai, Shri T. 

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh 
Sonar, Dr. A. O. 

Stephen, Shri C. M. 

Subramaniam, Shri C. 

Sudarsanam, Shri M. 

Sundar Lai Shri 
Surendra Pal Singh, Shri 
Swaminathan, Shri R V. 

Swamy, Shn Sidiameshwar 
Swaran Smgh, Shri 
Swatantia, Shri Tcja Singh 
Tarodekar, Shri V. D. 

Tayyab Hussain, Shn 
Tewan, Shn Shankar 
Thakre, Shn S B. 

1 hakur, Shn Krishnarao 
'I iwari, Shri R. G. 

Tiwary, Shri D N. 

Tiwaiy, Shri K. N. 

Tombi Smgh, Shn N. 

Tula Ram, Shri 
Tulsiram, Shri V. 

Ihkey, Shri M. G. 

Ulaganambi, Shri R P 
Unmknshnan, Shn K P. 

Veenah, Shri K. 

Vekaria, Shn 
Venkatasubbaiah Shri P. 

Vcnkatswamy, Shri G. 

Verma, Shri Balgovind 
\erma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad 
V.kal, Shn Ram Chandra 
Vnbhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan. ShnG, 

Yadav, Shn Chandrajit 
Yadav, Shi i Karan Smgh 
Yadav, Shn N. P. 

Yadav, Shri R. P. 

NOl.S 
Mody, Shn Piloo 

MR. SPEAKER . The result of the 
divis on is : Ayes— 384; Noes— 1 

SHRI K.MANOHARAN (Madras North): 
Sir, he has supported all the clauses of the 
Bill but at the final stage, of course; he has 
voted against. 

MR. SPEAKER : He might have press- 
ed the wrong button. 

So, the result of the division is : 
Ayes— 384; Noes — 1. 


a rmjority of not less than two-thirds of 
the Members present and voting. 

The motion was adopted 

15 48 firs. 

INCOME-TAX (AMENDMENT) 

BILL — Contd. 

MR. SPEAKER : Now, we move on to 
the next item — Hem No. 12 — Income-tax 
(Amendment) Bill. Shri Baladhandayutham 
to continue his speech. 

I may also tell the House that the time 
allotted is almost finished. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM 
(Coimbatoie) : Yesterday, I was rcfeiring 
to socioeconomic objectives as elaborated 
by the Minister. I referred to that became 
I welcome this amendment not because it 
will achieve the oc jo-economic objective, 
and whether it will achieve the socio-econo- 
mic objective or not is not a matter for 
discussion We have been following this 
policy of taxation even with regard to direct 
taxes in the last 25 years in the hope that 
it will do away with the disparity m income 
and will achieve socio-economic justice. 

15 49 hrs. 

[Shri SEZHIYAN in the Chair ] 

I now find that it has not achieved the 
purpose. So, Let us not indulge in plati- 
tudes. Where the question of taxation is 
concerned, restricted to this, the Bill means 
more income and more revenue for the 
exchequer and it will a’so, as Mr Salve was 
explaining yesterday, do away with the 
inequity between two types of assessees. 

When I come to the Bill itseif, I am 
surprised at the fact that exemption is 
being contemplated for those cases where 
the court has decreed in their favour. My 
first objection to this exemption clause is 
based upon the following pr rciple. The Sup- 
reme Court in its field is entitled to interpret 
the law. Supreme Court is not concerned wth 
the socio economic objectives or with the 
purpose of the BjP; the Supreme Court can 



271 Income Tax\Amdt.) Bill AUGUST, 1972 Income Tax {Arndt.) Bill 272 


[Shri Baladhandayutham - 

interpret the law as it is. So, the field of 
legislating and achieving socio-econom c 
objectives is left to Parliament. So, Parlia- 
ment is supreme in its sphere and the 
Supreme Court is supreme in its sphere. 
As such, when the Supreme Court has found 
a lacnca m the B II and interprets it, the 
Parliament accepts the interpretation of 
the law; Parliament accepts the judgment 
of the Supreme Court in this case and wants 
to achieve the objective or the purpose for 
which this taxation was contemplated To 
achieve this purpose, Parliament wants to 
amend the law So, Parliament is here 
concerned with the amendment to suit their 
objective. While doing so, there is no 
question of courtesy or gesture to the 
Supreme Court. We thank the Supreme 
Court for having interpreted the law, and 
based upon their judgment, we ace bringing 
about a change in the law by means of this 
amendment. Therefore, I do not see why 
we should exempt those cases where judg- 
ment has been given. 

It would also mean another thing I 
am afraid that it would also be unfair to 
the other persons. There are many people 
who have not gone to the court. If exemp- 
tion is given only to those persons who 
have gone to the court, then it means that 
they are very clever and they are a for- 
tunate lot and they are litigation-mmded 
and therefore they can get the advantage 
So, by muns of this provision, Gavernmnt 
seem to prefer aid con aliment the people 
who are htigition-minded. Tne whole In- 
come-tax Act has been put into shame 
becauseof the niumerablc cases that have 
been taken to me High Court and the 
Supreme Court, anJ the Government have 
not been able to collect the arrears. I feel 
that it would be unfair to discriminate 
between those who went to the court and 
those who did not go to the court. 

I am opposed to this exemption clause 
even from the point of view of practical 
experience. If this exemption clause is 
passed, tomorrow, again the Supreme Court 
may intervene and say that it is discrimina- 
tory, because there are two types of asses- 
sees, one who want to the court and won 
the case and the other who did not go to 
court. This discrimination between an 


assessee who has gone to the court and an 
assessee who has not gone to the court may 
be construed as discrimination under the 
Constitution because there are two types of 
of assesses. So, from the point of view 
of practical experience, from the point of 
view of fairness and from the point of view 
of equality before law, from the point of 
view of the sphere with which it is con- 
cerned, this will not stand scrutiny. 

Further, when we are having retro- 
spective effect, we must be fair to all. 
Either we should not have retrospective 
effect and we should say that the old cases 
are gone, whether paid or not paid and 
Government aie not gom; into those cases 
now or we should be fair to all. Since, 
whoever. Government are going into the 
past cases, I would submit that they must 
cover all the cases and not give exemption 
to any particular class. 

In general, I welcome this Bill, but I 
v\ould submit that there must be an end to 
this process of going on amending as and 
when something is found wrong or some 
lacuna is found. Government must come 
forward with a simple comprehensive Bill 
on inco ne-tax which will be intelligible to 
the ordinary man and which can be enforced 
more easily and which will not bring in all 
the complications of law and also drag in 
auditors who will go on giving ideas about 
how to circumvent the law by using every 
small word here or there. Government 
must attempt to bring forward a very 
comprehcn>ive and simpie Bill with legard 
to income-tax 

THE M MISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : This is a very simple Bill, and 
except Shri R. V Bade, all sections of the 
House have suppor ed this Bill. The reasons 
for bringing forward this Bill before the 
H )ase have been explained in the statement 
that I have placed before the House and 
the necessity for the Ordinance that was 
issued has a’so been explained there. 

There are only two or three points per- 
taining to the Bill on which I should like 
to reply. During the course of the discussi- 
on, of course the whole gamut of income 
tax law was gone thrqugh, also the question 
of arrears, the wanchoo Committee Report, 
evasion of ta* aqd various other matters. 



273 Jncome Tax (Admt.) BUI SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) Income Tan (Arndt ) fiill 274 


Thes$ have been discussed from time to time 
in the House. The House is also aware that 
Government are considering the recommen- 
dations of the Wanchoo Comm>t f ee report 
and vary expeditious steps are being taken 
to final is ) their decisions on the recommen- 
dations so that whatever loopholes are there 
are plugged. 

Shri Ba T adhandayutham raised the ques- 
tion of exemption. Cl. 5 specifically provides 
that the new provision will not apply to 
the assessment of an assessee for a particu- 
lar assessment year where before the comm- 
encement of Ordinance the Supreme Court 
has on an appeal in respect of the assessme- 
nt of the assessee for that year held that 
wealth tax paid by the assessee is deductible 
in cemputing the total taxable income for 
that year. The reason for giving this exemp- 
tion is that these taxpayers had gone to the 
Supreme Court and obtained a verdict and 
we wish that the sanctity of the decision of 
the Supreme Court should be respected. 
We have also been advised by the Law 
Ministry that it would be equitous if these 
exemptions to one or two firms which had 
gone to the Supreme Court w:re given. 

In a previous decision, in 'he case of 
Jamnadas vs the Commissioner ot Income 
Tax, the Bombay High Court had observed 
as follows : 

“They took the trouble to prefer 
the appeal, they took the trouble to 
prosecute it, they incurred cost and 
they succeeded in getting a judgment 
from the Supreme Court. A possib’e 
view also was that the judgment of the 
Supreme Court should be respected, as 
it should always be respected by the 
legislature of the land, and although 
they dealt with future cases, Parliament 
perhaps did not intend that actual 
judgment delivered by the Supreme 
Court in a particular reference before 
them should be altered or modified by 
the law that the Legislature was 
passing’*. 

On this basis, there exemptions have been 
included in the Bill. 

As the hon. member pointed out, the 
main object of the Bill is that the socio- 
economic policies pursued by Government, 
the fiscal strategy they adopt should be used 


to see that wealth and income above a par- 
ticular ceiling become non-productive. This 
wou’d have been defeated if the decision of 
the Supreme Court had not been honoured. 

I Commend the Bill to the acceptance of 
the Hou^e. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Income-tax Act, 1961, and to provide 
for barring, m the computation of total 
income in respect of certain assessment 
years prior to the assessment year 1962- 
63, deduction of amounts pa d on 
account of wealth-tax, be taken into 
consideration”. 

The motion was adopted 

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are no 
amendments. The question is : 

“That clauses 2 to 6 stand part of the 
Bill” , 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 2 to 6 were added to the Bill. 

Clause I the Enacting Formula and 
the Title were added to the iiii. 

SHRI K. R GANESH : I move : 

“That the Bill be passed” 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 

“That the Bill be pissed”. 

16 hrs. 

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AL'CUST 17, 1972 


Pi bile Debt Arndt.) Bill 276 


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SHRI K. R. GANESH : There is no 
question of safeguarding the Indian 
Aluminium Co. or anybody e'se. I have 
given the reasons in the Statement of 
Objects and Reasons. We havs explained 
why the ordinance was necessary, we have 
said that it would have involved a tremen- 
dous administiative problem and the loss 
of a tiemendous amount of revenue. As I 
indicated, the Sc>nctit of the decision of 
flit- Supreme Couit had also to be preserved 
and taken into consideration. It was also 
the view of the Law Ministry that it should 
be d >r.e 

There are only two assessees who will 
come under this exemption One is Indian 
Aluminium and the other is the Standard 
Vacuum Oil Co 'I he total estimated revenue 
involved is Rs. 3 lakhs to Rs 4 lakhs 

The further points that the hon. 
Member has ra'sed have already been 
answered. 

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH ‘ Onlv two 
companies are exempted Why this exemp- 
tion and disci iminat ion ? 

SHRI K. R GANESH : I have replied 
to that I m iy not have been able to 
convince him, but I have given him the 
Judgment to the high court, and it is the 
sa> ctity of the Sunreme Court which is 
being p.eserved and wh«ch is being respec- 
ted. 

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH : Only for 
two cases you arc putting this proviso. 

MR CHAIRMAN : order, order I 
shall put the motion to the vole. 
The question is. 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

The motion was adopted 

16.04 hrs. 

PUBLIC DEBT (AMENDMENT) BILL 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH ) : I beg to move : 

“That the Pill further to amend the 
Pub’ic Debt Act, 1944. be taken into 
consideration.” 



277 Public Debt 


S HAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


(Arndt.) Bill 278 


The Public Debt Act was enacted in 
1944 to regulate the administration of public 
Debt of the Central Government and the 
securities issued by them. The Act was 
amended in 1949 to be appl.ed to the 
administration of the public debt of the 
governments of the erstwhile provinces of 
India and the securities issued by them. 

It was further amended in 1956 so as to 
apply it to the public debt of the erst- 
while Part B States except Jammu and 
Kashmir. Section 1 (s) of the Act, as 
amended, provided that the Act apples to 
Government securities issued, whether 
before or after the commencement of the 
Act, by the Central Government or the 
State Governments other than the 
Government of Jammu and Kashmir. 

The Raserve Bank is statutorily respon- 
sible for the management of the public 
debt of the Central Government and the 
State Governments The Government of 
Jammu and Kashmir, which had not 
raised any public loan m the past, proposes 
to enter the market fiom this year for 
augmenting resources for financing its 
development outlays. As a uniform law for 
the administration of government secuiities 
is both essential and convenient, the State 
Government have requested tint the provi- 
sions of the Public Debt Act be made 
applicable to the Public debt of the Jammu 
and Kashmir Government and the securities 
to be laised by it. The Public debt of the 
State falls under the State list The Jammu 
and Kashmir Legislailve Council and the 
Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly 
have passed resolutions in pursuance of 
article 252 (l) of the Constituti >n empower- 
ing Parliament to amend the public Debt 
Act with a view to make its provisions 
applicabte to the securities issued by the 
Government of Jammu and Kashmir and 
to its public debt. 

The Bill seeks to amend the Public Debt 
Act of 1 44 for this purpose. 

This is a very small and non-controver- 
sial measure. There are only five clauses. 
Of these four are intended to provide for 
the application of the Public Debt Act to 
the securities to be issued by the Govern- 
ment of Jammu and Kashmir. 

Opportunity has also been taken to sub- 
stitute sub-clause (3) of section 28 of the 


Public Debt Act relating to laying of copies 
of fu’es made under the Act on the Table of 
both Houses of Parliament on the lines 
approved by the Committee on subordinate 
legislation of both Houses of Parliament. 
Sir, I move. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 

“That the B.ll further to amend the 
Pub ic Debt Act, 1944, be taken into 
consideration. *' 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura East): 
The aim of the Bill is to extend the Public 
Debt Act of 1914 to the State of Jammu and 
Kashmir So far this Act did not operate in 
Jammu and Kashmir This Bill seeks to set 
this position right A political decision to 
that effect has been taken. Kashmir had 
been treated on a separate fotting and was 
free from the operation of certain clauses of 
the Constitution Now this Act is sought to 
be expended to that State and a political 
decision has been taken to that effect. This 
Bill is a commendable one and I suppoit it. 

At the same time I want to point out 
that it is time to put a moratorium on 
foreign debt, particularly American debts. 
American* have in the recent past showed 
sufficient hostility towards India. American 
funds, e i pecia!ly Ford Foundation funds 
arc creating havoc in our cultural life. They 
have been influencing our educational 
inst.tutions Our cultural and political life 
wxild be poPated if that was a’lowed to 
continue That is why while supporting this 
Bill I request the Government to take certain 
measure* and to declare a moratorium on 
foreign debts, particularly American debts. 

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AUGUST 17, 1972 


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SHR1 K. NARAYANA RAO (Bobilli) : 
Sir, this is a simple, non-controversial Bill. 
Regarding the issue of debts by States, I 
submit a liberal attitude should be taken. 
We have been hearing that the States owe 
a lot of debts to the Reserve Bank with the 
result that their creditworthiness has been 
very much curtailed, in this context, I 
submit that the financial position of the 
States is ver) inelastic So far as the Centra] 
Government is concerned, though the Cons- 
titution lays down that Parliament may 
prescribe a maximum limit to its borrowing, 

I do not think any maximum limit has been 
prescribed by Parliament. The Central 


Government has borrowed a lot of money 
from outside at a marginal rate of interest. 
But the rate at which Reserve Bank gives 
money to the State Governments is much 
more than 'he interest at which the Centre 
borrows money from outside, I suggest that 
the S'ate Governments should be given loans 
at the same interest and not at higher rate 
of interest. 

With these words, I support the Bill. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI (Dhara- 
puram) . Sir, 1 support this Bill and I want 
to say a few words about the financial 
resources of State Governments. Last year, 
the Central Government raided loans to the 
tune of Rs. 600 crores. .But the State 
Governments including Electricity Boards 
have raised only Rs. 400 crores. This shows 
that the State Governments have to raise 
funds for their own programmes according 
to their own needs. In the case of Jammu 
and Kashmir, it is very late If this B 11 has 
been introduced long back, the subsidy we 
are giving to that State could have been 
reduced. So, this Bill is long o erdue and 
is affecting the public exchequer also. I 
request the Government to extend other 
facilities to the State of Jammu and Kash- 
mir. 

With these words, I support the Bill. 

SHRI K R G\NESH : Sir, I am thank- 
ful to hon. members for the support they 
have given to this Bill. As t said, this is a 
non-controversial Bill. Members have raised 
quest ons about moratorium and other 
matters, with which this particular Bill is 
not concerned. These problems have been 
discussed in this House often and various 
steps are being taken so that internal resour- 
ces are mobilised and self-sufficiency attai- 
ned. 

The hon. member of the DMK said this 
Bill has come very late. Probably he is not 
aware that it was for the Jammu and Kash- 
mir Government to decide. Under the 
Constitution, it is the State legislature which 
has to pass a resolution to come 
under the Public Debt Act. The 
Kashmir Government only recently 
decided to come under this, and we have 
taken the first opportunity to see that this 
Bill is placed before the House. 



281 Public Debt 
(Arndt,) Bill 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 (SAKA) 


Taxation Laws 282 
(Admt.) Bill 


For the benefit of the hon. Member I 
may mention that Kashmir is a backward 
State to which the Central Government is 
giving its fullest support. The Fourth Plan 
of Jammu and Kashmir was fixed at Rs. 
158.4 crores of which the Central assistance 
was Rs. 145 crores. Thus, over 90 per cent 
of the State Plan outlay is financed entirely 
by the Central assistance. The curient year’s 
Plan outlay is Rs. 36 crores out of which 
Central assistance is Rs. 32 crores. Accor- 
ding to the budget estimates of this year, 
the revenue receipt of the State is Rs. 102*21 
crores and revenue expenditure Rs. 107.52 
crores, leaving a deficit on revenue account of 
Rs. 5.31 crores. The overall deficit is Rs. 2 
crores which is expecied to be covered by 
additional taxation and improvement in tax 
collection. With these words, 1 commend 
the Bill for the acceptance of the House. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Public Debt Act, 1944, be taken into 
consideration.” 

The morion was adopted. 

MR CHAIRMAN : Since there are no 
amendments, I will put all the clauses to 
the vote together. The question is : 

“That clauses 2 to 5 stand part of the 
Bill ” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clauses 2 to 5 were added to the Bill . 

Clause l, the Enacting Formula , the preamble 

and the Title were added to the Bill. 

SHRI K.R. GANESH : I beg to move : 
“That the Bill be passed” 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 
“That the Bill be passed” 

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SHRI K.R. GANESH : As the House 
is aware, and as has been discussed in this 
House many times, the special provisions of 
article 370 are there. Still, as the hon. 
Member knows, progressively many of the 
piovisions of the Constitution have been 
extended to the State of Jammu and 
Kashmir. A new climate has emerged in 
that State, a new temper is there in the 
country, and it is with the co-operation of 
the people and Government of the State of 
Jammu and, Kashmir and the people of 
India that this matter will finally be decided. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : 

“That the Bill be passed” 

The motion was adopted, 

16 20 hrs. 

TAXATION LAWS (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Mr. Chai- 
1 man Sir, I beg to move : 



283 Taxation Laws 


AUGUST 17, 1972 


(Admt.)Bi!l 384 


[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] 

"Tha* thq Bill further to amend the 
Income-tax Act, 1961, the Wealth-tax 
Act, 19^7 and the Gift-tax Act, 1958, as 
reported by the Select Committee, 
taken into consideration." 

Sir, the Taxation Laws (Amendment) 
Bill, 1971 was introduced in this House on 
the 12th August, 1971 and was leferred to 
the Select Committee on the 17th November, 
1971. The Report of the Committee was 
presented to this House by its chan man on 
the lOth May, 1972. The Committee held 13 
sittings, scrutinised a number of memoranda 
and representations received from various 
individuals, professional associations, trade 
organisations, etc. and also heard 
evidence of various individuals, associations, 
etc. I would like to heartily congratulate 
the Select Committee on the thoroughness 
with which it has dealt with this important 
Bill. 

The Bill, as it has emerged form the 
Select Committee, has undergone imple- 
ments m several directions. The Select 
Committee has spelt out the reasons for ihe 
changes made by it. I do not, therefore, 
propose to take the time of the House by 
going over the entire ground again. I would, 
however, like to explain the objects of the 
Bill and the main changes recommended by 
the Select Committee 

As Hon’ble Members are aware, the 
device of understanding the sale price of 
immovable properties in sale deeds is being 
widely used for evading taxes. The conside- 
ration paid in ‘white money’ is recorded in 
the transfer deed and ‘black money’ is 
passed in cash under the counter. This 
enables the purchaser to utilise his untaxed 
income and reduce his liability in respect of 
stamp duty. The seller is ab’e to avoid his 
liability for capital gains tax and obtain 
funds for investment outsde the books of 
account or for the purposes of lavish perso- 
nal expenditure. One of the principal obje- 
cts of the Bill is to counteract tax evasion 
through this device by empowering the Cen- 
tral Government to acquire immovab'e pro- 
perties, including agricultural lands, -at 
prices which correspond to those in sale 
deeds. The Bill al<o contains provisions for 
improving the administrative set up and 
arrangements for valuation of buildings, 


lands and other assets fer purposes of the 
d reel tax laws and for bringing about better 
regulation and discipline over non-official 
valuers. Finally, in order to discourage 
benami holdings of property with a view to 
tax evasion, the Bill seeks to make provi- 
sion in the Income-tax Act debarring 
persons from erfoicing their claim in a 
court of law to any properly held in a 
benami name, unless they have disclosed the 
same before tax authorities. 

I wou'd now deal with some of the 
important changes made by the Select 
Committee in the prov«s ons relating to 
acquisition of immovable properties. Under 
the provisions in the Bill as introduced, 
immovable property could be acquired only 
in cases where the property was transferied 
by way of sale. It would, therefore, have 
been possib’e to circumvent the provisions 
for acquisition of property by effecting the 
transfer in the form of exchange, that is, 
by paying the consideration for the trans- 
fer partly in cash and partly in kind or 
who'ly m kind The Select Committee has, 
therefore, recommended that transfer of 
immovable piopeity by way of exchanee 
should also be b ought withinthe ambit of the 
piovisions in the Bill The change suggested 
by the Committee is, indeed, very desirable 
and l would commend its acceptance by the 
House. 

Under the Bill as introduced, the expie- 
ssion “.mmovable property” was defined to 
cover only buildings or lands or any lights 
therein The Commitee is of the view that 
this defind on is somewhat narrow in its 
scope and may not cover transfer of a pait 
of a build ng or composite transfeis of 
land, building, machinery, plant, etc In 
order to ensure that the provisions relating 
to acquisition of immovable property aie 
not defeated by transferring only a part of 
a building or by making composite transfers 
of land, building, plant, machinery etc , the 
Committee has proposed an enlargement of 
this definition so as to cover such cases 
also. Here again, the change suggested by 
the Committee plugs a lacuna in the Bill 
and is to be welcomed. 

Under a special rule of evidence 
contained in the Bill, it had been speci- 
fically provided that where the property has 
been transferred for an apparent considera- 
tion wh ch is less than its fair market value. 



285 taxation Laws 


SRAVANA 26, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


[Adml.) Bill 286 


it shall be presumed, unless the contrary is 
p?oved, that the consideration for such 
transfer as agreed to between the parties ha9 
not been truly stated with the obj ct of tax 
evasion by the transferer or the transferee. 
The Committee is of the view that in order to 
ensure effect «ve operation of the provisions n 
the Bill, it would be necessary to modify and 
strengthen this special rule of evidence. The 
Committee has accordingly recommended that 
where the fair market value of any property 
exceeds the consideration for its transfer as 
declared in the deed by more than 25% of 
such consideration, this should be 
deemed to be conclusive proof of the 
fact that the consideration for the property 
has not been truly stated in the instrument 
of transfer. The other presumption, namely, 
that the understatement in the va'ue of 
the property was made with the object 
of facilitating tax evasion will, however, 
remain rebuttable I am in respectful agree- 
ment with the views of the Committee. I 
believe that un'ess the rule of ev dence is 
modified and strengthened in the manner 
rcco amended by the Committee, the provi- 
s ons in the Bill may fail to sejure the 
desired objective. I, therefore, whole-hearte- 
dly commend the acceptance of the changes 
proposed by the Committee in this behalf 

While the Committee has suggested 
various measures for ensming the effective 
operation of the provisions in the Bill, it 
has also recommended certain safeguards to 
protect the legit, mate interests of the citize- 
ns against possible misuse of powers of 
acquisition The Committee has accordingly 
pioposed thit the competent authority sho- 
uld record his reasons in writing before 
initiating acquisition proceedings and that 
these proceedings should not be initiated 
unless he has reason to believe that the 
fair market value of the property ex' eeds 
its apparent cons deration by more than 
15% of such consideration. Further, with 
a view to enabling the parties to determine 
the period of limitation for initiating proce- 
edings for acquisition of property with 
greatery certainty the Committee has pro- 
posed that the period of limitation should 
be reckoned from the end of the m nth in 
which the instrument of transfer is registered 
and not with reference to the date of receipt 
of requisite information from the register- 
ing officer or the transferee. The Comm’ttee 
* also felt that the peiiod of limitation for 


filing objections against the initiation of 
acquisition proceedings was not adequate 
and has accordingly suggested an e> tension 
of this period. Another very important 
change made by the Committee is in regard 
to appeals against orders of acquisition made 
by itic competent authority, Under the provi- 
sions in the Bill as introduced, an appeal 
against such orders could be preferred to the 
Central Board of Direct Taxes. The Commi- 
ttee is of the view that such appeals should 
not lie to an administrative body, but to a 
Judicial and independent forum. The 
Committee has, therefore, recommended 
that appeals aginist the orders of the com- 
petent authority should lie to the Income- 
tax Appellate Tribunal. While the decision 
of the Income-tax Appellate Tribunal would 
be final in regard to questions of fact, the 
parties concerned wou‘d have the right to 
file an appeal to the High Court on any 
question of law arising from the order of 
the Appelate Tribunal. I am inclined to 
think that the modifications suggested by the 
Select Committee would be widely welcomed 
as providing adequate safeguards for the 
fair and impartial administration of the 
provisions in the Bill. 

I would now briefly refer to some of the 
points raised by the two Hon’ble Members 
in their Minutes of Dissent. Under the 
provisions in the Bill, proceedings for acqui- 
sition can be initiated only in cases where 
the fair market value of the transferred 
property exceeds twenty-five thousand 
rupees Shri Baladhand.iyutham has 
proposed the removal of this condition on 
the ground that this will provide a loophole 
for circumventing the provisions in the Bill 
th ough piecemeal transfcis of immovable 
properties in parts not exceeding twenty-five 
thousand rupees in value. The removal of 
this condition will, however, unduly extend 
the scope of these provisions and generate 
enormous work in scrutinising a large 
number of transactions in respect of immo- 
vable properties of even very small values. 
The suggestion made by the Hon’ble Member 
is, therefore, not feasible on administrative 
consideration*. Government will, however, 
keep a close watch on transactions of immo- 
vable properties and if it is noticed that the 
provisions of the Bill are being circumvented 
in any manner, necessary corrective action 
wi*l be taken. I am also unable to agree 
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that there should be no time-limit for the 
initiation of acquisition proceedings. The 
acquisition of immovable property is a 
drastic step and it is only fair that the buyer 
of the property should know within a 
reasonable time whether Government propose 
to take over his property under the provi- 
sions in the Bill. 1 will, however, like to 
allay the apprehensions of the Hon’ble 
Member by assuring him that Government 
will take suitable administrative steps to 
ensure that proceedings for acquisition of 
immovable property are initiated, wherever 
necessary, within the period of limitation 
and do not get barred due to negligence or 
collusion. The Hon’ble Member has also 
suggested the deletion of the provision for 
the payment of a solatium of 15% over and 
above the consideration stated in the trans- 
fer deed He has observed that this provision 
has been retained on the ’‘flimsy argument” 
of abundant aution to meet possible risk of 
challenge to the constitutionality of the 
proposed legislation. 1 really fail to under- 
stand how the Hon’ble Member can regatd 
a matter affecting the constitutional validity 
of the whole legislation as a flimsy ground. 

Hon. Member Shri Piloo Mody has 
made two points. He has observed that the 
expression “fair market value” should be 
clearly defined and the criteria and guide- 
lines for its determination laid down in 
unambiguous terms. Under the provisions 
in the Bill, the expression “fair market 
value” in relation to immovable property 
transferred has been defined as the price 
that the property would ordinarily fetch on 
sale in the open market on the date of 
execut on of the instrument of transfer. This 
definition is broadly on the lines of the 
definition of this term contained m the 
other direct tax laws and has come to have 
a definite and well-understood connotation. 
It is also not possible to lay down in the 
law any rigid set of criteria for ascertaining 
the fair market value which will necessarily 
have to be determined on the facts and 
circumstances of each case by applying well- 
established principles of valuation. The 
other point made by the Hon’ble Member 
is that a provision should be made in the 
Bill to enable a seller to get an advance 
ruling from the Income-tax Department as 
to the fair market value of the property 


proposed to be transferred. The suggestion 
is not practicable as it would requite the 
setting up of a vast administrative machin- 
ery at enormous cost to deal with numerous 
requests for the prior clearance of agree- 
ments for transfers of immovable properties. 
The honest citizen has, however, nothing to 
fear because if properties are transferred at 
the correct fair market value, l am sure, 
there will be no occasion for th- competent 
authority to initiate acquisition proceedings 
under the proposed provisions. To sum up, 
therefore, I am unable to commend for 
acceptance the suggestions made by the two 
Hon’ble Members in their Minute of 
Dissent. 

The Bill also seeks to make provisions 
for the reference of the valuation of any 
capital asset or property by the assessing 
authority to a Valuation Officer. With a 
view to avoiding any arbitrariness on the 
part of the tax authorities in making such 
references, the Committee has recommended 
the spelling out of certain guidelines on the 
basis of which such references may be made. 
The guidelines suggested by the Committee 
would provide a salutary check on the 
exercise of the discretion by the tax authori- 
ties and I would, therefore, commend their 
acceptance. 

The Select Committee has recommended 
several other changes which constitute a 
distinct improvement over the provisions in 
the Bill as originally introduced. 1 would, 
however, not tire the Hon’ble Members bv 
going into the details of these changes The 
objects behind the proposals in the Bill are 
laudable. The Bill constitutes a significant 
step forward in our fight against tax evasion 
and I earnestly hope that it will receive full 
support from all sections of the House. 
With these observations, Sir, I move. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved: 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Income-tax Act, 1961, the Wealth-tax 
Act, 19 7 and the Gift-tax Act, 1958, 
as reported by the Select Committee, be 
taken into consideration.” 

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL 
( Moradabad ) : Mr. Chairman* black 
money is a growing menace and it has 
greatly harmed the national economy. If 
it is analysed, then one qan say that it has 



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become a source for immorality. The Wan- 
choo Committee, w l i'e analysing it, has 
described black money that it puts integrity 
at a discount and placed a premium on 
vulgar and ostentatious display of wealth. 
There are no two opinions in this country 
that all efforts must be made both by the 
State and the people to check blackmoney. 
We should not only check black money, but 
we should see that the factors responsible 
for its further gcieration are brought under 
control. 

While taking all these measures, we 
should also see that as a nation, we do not 
reduce ourselvjs into a Police State. 

Sir, I support this Bill, particularly the 
objectives inherent in this Bill. It is a 
noble objective, and, as the hon. Finance 
Minister said, it is a laudable objective, I 
agree, we must do everything possible to 
unearth black-money in this country. 

The h- n. Minister has said that the 
Select Committee has done its best to 
improve it in so imny ways. Unfortu- 
nately still there are many loopho'es, or I 
may call, certain lacuna, in this Bill It 
was pointed out repeatedly thit it vill grant 
sweeping powers to the tax admn istrative 
machinery and these powers would be 
unparallelled in the history not only of this 
country but of anv part of the world. 
Secondly, it would open up the doors of 
corruption to an extent which would be far 
greater than what we are going through 
now. Thirdly, it would certainly give a 
set-buck to the building activity. While 
we as a nation arc committed to guarantee 
basic minimum to the people and while we 
want that the housing activity is encouraged 
in every possible manner, and that as a 
nation we should give the basic minimum 
to the people, I feel, this measure may bring 
the building activity to a standstill. There 
is a backlog of twelve million houses; we 
need at least four million houses every 
year. 1 wish to submit that this measure 
should be implemented without in any way 
impeding the building activity in the 
country. 

1 congratulate the Finance Minister in 
that he has accepted the concept of a 
Tribunal in the Select Committee ind that 
has certainly given an impression that there 


would be a fairdeal to all, including those 
who indulge in black mopey. 

The limit in this Bill is Rs. 25,000. [t 
has been suggested repeatedly that the value 
should be raised to Rs. 50.000. The hon. 
Financfe Minister does not think it practical 
an! proper. • He has argued that it need 
no be reduced either. 1 had an impress- 
ti m that the hon. Finance Minister would 
agree to remove this linrt of Rs. 25,000. I 
would propose, Sir, that this limit of 
Rs. 25,000 should go and there should be 
no limit whatsoever. The Finance M : nister 
feels that the temper of the nation is that 
they would not agree to raise this figure. 

I hope he will agree with us. This fair 
market value is a very doubtful phenome- 
non. I really do not know how the tax 
experts or the tax machinery would evaluate 
the fair market value, and I fear whether 
it would really not open the flood-gates of 
corruption in a big way. For the last 
twenty years, laws are being made and 
amended m such a large number of ways 
that we see that the tax evasion is growing 
every year. Let Government go into the 
whole disease and find out why our tax 
laws are nit able to check black money in 
the country. I feel that so long as shor- 
tages in the market continue to grow, 
nobody and no law on earth would be able 
to check black money 

The Wanchoo Committee has very 
rightly said that it is the tax rates which 
are known to be the highest in the world 
which are laigely responsible for creating 
black money in this country. Therefore, 1 
would urge the Finance Minister to go into 
the disease and find out how we can really 
check black money. 

It has been pleaded that the best thing 
would be to accept the concept of auction, 
because the moment a property is auctioned 
everybody would know exactly *hat the fair 
market value is. But that was not accepted 
for many icasons. But now there is the 
question of constitutional validity, and as 
also pointed out by the hon. Minister, both 
the Finance Minister and the Law Minister 
are satisfied that this law will not relate to 
the acquisition of property and therefore, 
we must satisfy article 31 <2). If that is 
to be satisfied, then the proposed a qjisition 
must be for a public purpose. This cannot 
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sation. The question is whether these two 
tests are satisfied. When the property is 
acquired by Government or by the State, 
what will the State do with the property ? 
That question has remained unanswered. If 
the property is acquired by the State or 
utilised for public purposes, then, of course 
it can be justified. 

This Bill deals only with one aspect of 
black money while so many other aspects of 
black money have remained out of the scope 
of this Bill. 1 would plead with the 
Finance Minister that they should bring 
forward a comprehensive Bill which would 
cover all aspects of black money, whether 
it be property or trade or anything else so 
that the nation knows that those who hold 
black money would be treated as criminals 
and they cannot be spared. Unless Govern- 
ment brings forward a comprehensive and a 
detailed Bill, I do not think that we can go 
very far on this question. 

Ultimately, the solution for checking 
black money does not lie in these measures. 
These are temporary in nature. The ulti- 
mate solution lies in the sort of economic 
policies that we are to pursue in this 
country, whether those economic policies 
are such as would produce honest and effi- 
cient men or corrupt, dishonest and ineffi- 
cient men. 

1 feel that so long as we do not consi- 
der the Wanchoo Committee's recommend- 
ations in detail and bring forward suitable 
measures, we shall not be able to achieve 
the laudable objectives. 

With these words, I support the Bill. 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA (Bahraich) : I 
extent my wholehearted support to the 
provisions of this very radical measure 
which would prevent effectively the tax 
evasion practised by a very large number 
of assessees in this country. 

Black money is no doubt a very wide- 
spread phenomenon in this country, and 
various measures have been siggested from 
time to time to put an end to the increasing 
menace of black money. 1 think that the 
.preient measure is one of the effective 
ways to curb the operation of black money 


and at the same time to bring in more 
money to the coffers of Government by 
acquiring the property which such tax* 
dodgers acquire by malpractices and by 
misuse of the law. 

One of the ways is that a person who 
has acquired a property for an apparent 
consideration which is less than 15 per cent 
of the fair market price of it has to lose 
that property under this Bill. Now the 
point has been raised by one hon. member 
that is might open the floodgates of corrup- 
tion. whenever a power is given to a 
certain authority or officer, there is always 
an inherent danger of its misuse. But that 
is not valid argument for not conferring 
powers on that authority. Where there is 
power there is apprehension of its misuse. 
How the misuse is to be curbed or prevented 
is a matter to be considered at the adminis- 
trative level. The point we are concerned 
with is whether the measures we are going 
to adopt in the shape of this Bill are the 
proper once or not. 

1 would illustrate how this Bill is going 
to be very effective. A person has got Rs. 
40 lakhs or a crore of rupees. He is not 
disclosing it. At the same time, he does 
not want that this unaccounted money 
undisclosed to the assessing authority should 
remain idle or unproductive. So he enters 
into a shady transaction with another 
person and acquires a property the market 
value of which is Rs. 40 lakhs or Rs. 1 
crore. But he does not want to show that 
amount in the transfer deed. Therefore, 
he shows a price far below it. Thereby he 
shows to the authorities that he has invested 
an amount which is only an apparent consi- 
deration, not the real amount which is 
much more than the apparent value men- 
tioned in the deed. 

In his budget speech, the hon. Finance 
Minister said that at least once he is going 
to believe the dishonest man, take his state- 
ment at its face value as mentioned in the 
transfer deed and pay him something more 
to acquire the property that is, 15 per cent 
more. Although I agree with the object 
set out in the Bill, I am afraid the Bill 
may be struck down on the grouad of 
constitutionality either in the High Court 
or the Supreme Court. My reasons are as 
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deprived of his property save by authority of 
law which provides for the payment of com- 
pensation and also provides that it is going 
to be acquired or requisitioned for a public 
purpose. Under this Bill, two conditions 
are satisfied, namely that, the property is 
going to be acquired by the authority of 
law and secondly compensation is also 
going to be whether it is going to be pro- 
vided for. But I doubt acquired for a public 
purpos ebucause the very objective of the Bill 
is to acquire property for checking evasion 
of tax. So the objective does not state that 
it is going to be acquired for a public pur- 
pose. 

AN HON. MEMBER : Pub’ic purpose. 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : It may be for 
a public purpose. In every measure you 
say that it is for a public purpose. When- 
ever we pass any law for the benefit of 
the public, by presumption and implication, 
it is of course said that it is for a public 
purpose but when you say in your objectives 
that this measure is going to be passed in 
order to curb the menace of tax evasion, 
that may be indirectly a public purpose, 
but not, as I consider it, it is a public 
purpose. So, I have suggested an amend- 
ment which may come in due course of 
time. Last year, we had adopted another 
amendment to the Constitution, and that 
is, ai tide 31C. That article says that if 
the legislature, that is, Parliament, declares 
in that very enactment that this is a mea- 
sure to be enacted m order to secure the 
State policy as contained in article 39 (b) 
and (c), then the validity of the measure 
shall not be questioned in a court of law. 
Therefore, my submission is that though, 
as my friend says, the provisions of this 
Bill fully ensure that the property is to be 
acquired for a public purpose, we must 
have a law which is still more foolproof by 
putting down that declaration contained in 
article 31C so that there may not be any 
further room for contention by the party 
interested in defeating the provisions 
of the law. 

I would also go to the extent of saying 
that the time limit for initiating the pro- 
ceedings is very limited. That is in respect 
of the six months period. Supposing a clerk 
in a certain office has slept over the 
matter and the proccedirg has not been 
initiated within six months, what happens? 


Properties worth lakhs would be involved 
in such cases. A petty official may get 
away or ignore (he rule, and a huge, 
decent sum may be taken as bribe to 
see that the provisions of the Act are 
defeated in their purpose. My submission, 
therefore, is that the period of six months 
should be extended to at least three years, 
so that the assesssing authorities who are 
responsible for the implementation of the 
provisions pet a sufficient time to initiate 
the proceedings, because such a limited 
period of six months is not enough to pro- 
perly implement the provisions of this 
law. 

There is another feature of this Bill. 
Supposing the proceedings for acquisition 
have not been started or the property is not 
acquired for some reason or the other, but 
the apparent consideration falls short of 
the fair market value. What should be done? 
My submission is that the law of income- 
tax and wealth-tax should take care of 
the such situations. What is to be done ? 
The defference between the fair market 
value and the apparent consideration 
should be deemed as undisclosed income of 
'he assessee and it should be added to his 
income and in the cases of an assessee 
who is liable to wealth-tax, the difference 
should be deemed to be the capital asset of 
that assessee. Therefore, the appropriate 
provisions of the gift-tax, wealth-tax and 
income-tax laws should apply and the pro- 
visions with regard to penalty and forfeiture 
should be applicable to such cases where 
the property for some reason or the other 
is not acquired under the provisions of this 
law. 

It has been argued by an hon. Member 
that the whole economic svstem should be 
created in spell a way where only honest 
persons should live. My subm sion is that 
criminals and tax-evaders and tix-dodgers 
have been co-existing for a very long time. 
Howsoever idealistic society may be created, 
and howsoever idealistic la*s may be enacted 
such persons, whatever may be their per- 
centage, will remain. 

In order to check their activities these 
laws have been cnaeted. I shonld not be 
misunderstood because I am voicing a 
different opinion on certain points. My 
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there should be no room for any tax evader 
to defeat the provisions of law by taking a 
matter to the highest court in this country. 

This is my submission. 1 only submit 
that if my suggestions are found worthwhile 
they may be incorporated in this Bill. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura 
east) : It seems that this Bill has been 
brought forward with the intention of deali- 
ng effectively with the tax evaders, l do 
not think that the Bill as it is would be 
able to check tax evaders. We know the 
pernicious effect of black money on Indian 
economy. It is one of the interesting 
characteristics of the capitalist economy. 
India is silently building up capitalist econ- 
omy though there is a tall talk of socialism. 
The pernicious effects of black money had 
not been arrested in these years but it 
encouraged more and moie. 

A BUI with stringent measures is long- 
overdue to deal with black money but 1 am 
sorry to say that the form in wh,ch this 
Bill had been placed even after consideralion 
by the Select Con mittee is disappointing 
and it will not serve the desired purpose. 
It cannot arrest the operation of black 
money, rather black money will be in oper- 
ation in full swing in the Indian econorpy. 
If you want to stop tax evasion the first 
and foremost thing would have been to 
declare demonetisation. Otherwise you 
cannot catch tax evaders This Government 
is unwilling to den onetise. It seems that 
the Government is out to have only some 
propaganda, some eye-wash 

It is obvious that the party wh ch is 
largely dependent for its survival on the 
meicy of big-money bags, the tycoons 
of black money in India cannot be 
expected to dec'are demonetisation or to 
take steps against their monarchs and lords. 
The ruling party subsists on black money 
and they expect to fill their coffers for 
w nning electii ns. The present Bill is a 
gesture or attempt to hoodwink the public 
by saying that they are go ng to arrest 
tax evasion. 

In the Bill the definition of the term 
‘immovable property’ is verymuch defective 
Housing co-cperative societies have been 


left out of the purview of the Bill on the 
plea that the transfer is not of flats but 
of shares The hon. Member Shri Balada- 
ndayudham has raised this question in his 
minutes of dissent and I quite support him. 
He is quite ccr e . According to my opinion, 
hjus ng co-operatives should have been 
brou ht within the purview of the this 
Bi'l. 

This Bill is confined to acquisition of 
immoveable property in certain cases. But 
all pioperties under- valued in assessment 
in oide. to evade tax should be acquired. 
Otherwise, under the pretext of the so- 
caded “under-valued , \ tax evasion will 
continue and such evaders will go on 
unpunished because the provisions of this 
Bill cannot touch their hairs. 

17 hrs. 

It has not been made legally obligatoiy 
to acquire any property transferred simply 
because it is less than fair market value 
of the piopcrty. This provides sufficient 
loopholes. The Government under the 
pretext of this provsion may spare some 
people fiom being brought under the oper- 
ation of this law if such persons are their 
favourites Any transfer/ ed property, simply 
because it is less than the fair market value 
for an apparent consideration should not be 
left out of ihe scope of this provision of 
ihe Bill and such a property should be 
acquired It should be made binding on 
the the Government by law to enforce 
this legislation in letter and spirit. Othcr- 
w se, the tax-evaders will go unpunished 

Only pioperty exceeding Rs 25,000 is 
taken into consideration for being acquned. 
Section 269 (c) (I) of chapter XX contempla- 
tes that any property of a fair market value 
exceeding Rs 25,000 only can be liable for 
initiation of proceedings for the acquisition 
of such property, transferred for an appa- 
rent consideration, less than the market 
value by 15 per cent. This will leave loop- 
holes and the property may be transferred 
piecemeal People who want to evade this 
legislation can do so by transferring his 
property in parts, in such a manner that 
each part is of the market value of less 
than Rs. 25,000. You see the case of land. 
Before the ceiling came f into force, they 
fragmented their land and transferred it ih 
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property intact though in different names. 
In this case also it will happen, because 
people are clever enough to evade this law 
You are giving them ample opportunity to 
transfer their properly piecemeal and they 
will not be torched by this Bill. That is 
why I oppose it. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRl K R. 
GANESH) : This matter was gone into very 
extensively by the Select Committee and 
the definition of “property** has been expan- 
ded to take care of the apprehensions he 
has expressed 

SHfcl DASARATHA DEB : l am not 
questioning the wisdom ofthe Select Commi- 
ttee, but I differ from their judgment, 
What the hon. minister says is not there 
in the Bill. Hence the \\ords ‘exceeding 
Rs. 25,000” must be removed from this 
Bill. 

The piovision for not taking any action 
alter the expny of six months of the regist- 
ration of transfer is a defect. This is very 
surprising and funny If within 6 months 
any proceeding has not been instituted 
against that person who transfers the pio- 
perty, he will not be brought under the 
purview of this Act The b g people have 
sufficient money. They can corrupt the 
particular officer who is dealing with the 
case and with his collusion defraud the 
government of its due. In the mean while, 
the time will elapse. So people will be able 
to evade these taxes. That is why I say that 
thisprovision must go and there should be no 
time limit. If at all there is any time-limit, 
it should be three years and not Six months. 
Because, six months are not sufficient to 
start a proceeding against a person. To 
provide that no pioceedmgs shall be institu- 
ted after the expiry of six months of the 
registration of the transfer of property, 
coupled with lack of any provision to deal 
with want on delays, again opens out the 
way for evading this legislation. Therefore. 
J fully agree with the suggestion made by 
Shri Baladhandayutham. 

Then the provision that compensation 
has to be paid fifteen per cent in excess is 
also unwarranted. Why do you want to give 
compensation to those people Who wanted 
to evade the taxes ? Why should any mercy 
be shown to the accused, to the culprit ? 


Some people say that it may lead to compli- 
cations and they may go to the court. If 
the judiciary comes in the way, it should be 
stopped by suitable legislation. After all, 
we have enacted so many legislation just 
to avoid intervention by the judiciary. So, 
this compensation clause should not be 
there. 

Then, the term “fair market value” is 
confusing. There must be some guidelines. 
Otherwise, it will depend upon the sweet 
will or mercy of the officer assessing the 
value or the market price, and the govern- 
ment will be the loser. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: If only in the 
Select, Committee the hon. Member had 
seen to it that his representative in the 
Committee had strengthened the views held 
by a section of the members of the Select 
Committee, many of the problems which he 
is raising would have been solved. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: But that does not 
preclude him frgm expressing his views. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I am only poin- 
ting out that all these points were discussed 
in the Select Committee in all seriousness. 
Many views were expressed in the Select 
Committee; Government themselves had 
some viev\s in the matter as a result of the 
experience gained in the implementation of 
the Act. So, I am only saying that a little 
more sei lousness will help us to have better 
laws. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB: It is tine 
that my representative was there. Even if 
it was not raised in the Committee, that 
docs not preclude my raising it hcie. 

So, this particular clause is highly objec- 
tionable and our party cannot suppoit this 

Thirdly, even if ue pass this Bill, we 
cannot stop blackmoney. As I said in the 
beginning, the first and foremost task which 
you have to attend to is demonetisation. 
Then, at least, you may get some money. 
O.herwise, you cannot get it. . . . 

SHRI K. R GANESH: That money has 
£6ne into these channels; that money is not 
available. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB: You will get 
it. It will come out in the open nferket. 



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[Shri Dasaratha Deb] 

With these words, I conclude my speech. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash): 
Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is a Bill which 
is the outcome of the Interim Report of the 
Wanehoo Committee. Though we are to 
see the outcome of the Wanehoo Committee 
Report, we are yet to see the Interim 
Report of the Wanehoo Committee, Sir, 
as a Member of the Select Committee, you 
also wrote to the Minister that a copy of 
the Interim Report of the Wanehoo 
Committee should be circulated at least to 
the Members of the Select Committee 
which was not done by the Government in 
its own wisdom. Now, fortunately, Mr. 
Joytrimoy Bosu has given us a copy of the 
Interim Report of the Wanehoo Committee. 

1 do not know whether it is authoritative 
or not. It is upto the Government to 
challenge it. 

As far as the Bill is concerned, I am in 
complete agreement with the object of the 
Bill, that is, to counter evasion of tax 
through under-statement of the value of 
immovable property, to check the circulation 
of black money and to curb the practice of 
benami holding of property with a view to 
evade tax. But to wipe out black money, 
we have to see that b*aclr money in circu- 
lation is prevented and also, in future, the 
creation of black money should also be 
prevented. For that, I suggest, an effective 
way and that will be that all the payments 
which we make, say. for example, above 
Rs. 100 or Rs. 200, should be paid only by 
cheques or drafts. That is to say, all the 
liquid cash should go through the bank. 
Only then we can wipe out black money 
from circulation. 

Another positive way that I would like 
to suggest is this. At present, our income- 
tax rate is so high as expressed by the 
Wanehoo Committee — it is 97.75 per cent 
that a man who earns some income wou’d 
like to evade tax and keep something for 
himself. I think, the Government must 
seriously consider the suggestion of the 
Wanehoo Committee to bring down the 
highest rate of tax but, at the same time, 
enforce the law very vigorously and 
strictly. 

Now, I come to the main question, 
namely, the constitutional validity of this 


Bill which has been discussed in the Select 
Committee in a very lengthy way. When 
one of the leading lawyers of the country, 
Mr. Setalvad, appeared before the Commi- 
ttee, he argued that, in pith and substance, 
this Bill is not a law relating to taxation 
but is a law relating to acquisisiton of pro- 
perty and hence, it must apply with the 
constitutional requirements, namely, article 
31(2) of the Constitution. It reads: 

“No property shall be compulsorily 
acquired or requisitioned save for a 
public purpose." 

Mr. Setalved argued that if it is going 
to be held that it is not a law of taxation 
but a law of acquisition of property, then 
“public purpose" should be established. But 
the Law Minister, Mr. Gokhale, argued 
before the Committee that it is not a law 
relating to acquisition of property and that 
it is only a law relating to taxation. He 
said : 

“A taxation law may not impose a tax 
but may provide for the machinery to 
plug loopholes." 

Hence, he said that it is not a question 
of acquisition and, even if it is considered 
as a law relating to acquision, he said that 
the public purpose will be the stopping of 
tax evasion and the curtailment of black 
money. That will constitute a public 
purpose. 

Again, it has been argued that under 
Entry 42 of the Concurrent List read with 
Entry 82 of the Union List, the Union 
Government is empowered to acquire pro- 
perty throughout the country. 

It has also been argued by the Law 
Department that the public purpose has 
been defined as : 

“The phrase, whatever else it may mean 
must include a purpose, that is an object 
or aim, in which the general interest of 
the community, as opposed to the parti- 
cular interest of individuals, is directly 
and vitally concerned." 

“Hence, the presence of the element of 
general interest in the Bill must be 
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They have also referred to the Consti- 
tutional provision article 31(5Xb)(i), that 
‘Nothing in Clause (2) shall affect the 
provisions of any law which the State may 
hereafter make for the purpose of imposing 
or levying any tax or penalty' and they say 
that the provision is a precautionary 
measure and will protect the Bill as far as 
this is concerned. I think, the Supreme 
Court may not agree with this far-fetched 
argument. Once it is held that this parti- 
cular law is a law relating to the acquisition 
of immovable property, we will have to 
establish that there is a public purpose for 
this acquisition. Hence, the Law Secretary 
was wise enough to suggest — and he agreed 
with my view and suggested — inclusion of 
a provision in the Bill to the effect that the 
property acquired will be used for a certain 
specific public purpose. 1 do not know 
why the Government did not agree with the 
Law Secretary and have not inc'uded any 
or some of the public purposes in the Bill. 
Hence, I have my own doubts that, if it is 
challenged, it may not withstand in the 
Supreme Court. 

Another point that I would like to 
emphasize is getting prior clearance for a 
purported sale. This has been taken up in 
the Select Committee. If there are inno- 
cent buyer and seller, they can get prior 
clearance; after entering into the agreement, 
they can apply to the competent authority 
and if the competent authority says that 
there is nothing wrong and they can go 
through the sale, they can go through the 
sale and they can, without attracting the 
sword of Damocles, namely, acquistion of 
property, enjoy the property as a whole. 
The Law Secretary is inclined to agree with 
this view. 

Finally, as the members have already 
pointed out, this is no doubt a drastic 
power which is going to be vested in the 
officials. As has been pointed out already, 
there is a tremendous scope for corruption 
in this Bill because we are going to deal 
with lakhs and lakhs of rupees worth of 
property, whether it is house or landed 
property. Government should be aware of 
this and should take precautionary measures 
while implementing this measure. 

With these words, I support this Bill. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM 
(Coimbatore) : The Bill on amendment of 


Taxation Laws is based upon the interim 
report of the Direct Taxes Inquiry Commi- 
ttee given by Mr. Wanchoo. It was not 
wise on the part of the Government to have 
given the privilege to a member to leak the 
interim report. 

17.19 hrs. 

[SHRI K.N. TIWARY in the Chair ] 

It was still more unwise for the Finance 
Minister to have attempted to explain as to 
why the interim report was not published 
or released to the public or placed before 
the House. Even if he had remained silent 
on that account, he would have been wiser. 
By trying to explain or give reasons for not 
publishing the report — which were not 
convincing to us— he has also created more 
suspicion, and it has become a matter of 
questioning everywhere — not only by the 
members of the House but even by the 
Press which had to comment that the 
reasons given by the Minister 
were unconvincing. Now why do 
I take up this Interim Report 7 It is 
because this Bill is based on the Interim 
Report. One of the recommendations made 
in the Interim Report is being sought to be 
implemented here in this Bill. But, of all 
the recommendations made in the Interim 
Report this is one of the smallest recom- 
mendations. The other two recommend- 
ations are more important and particularly, 
demonetisation was really on of the most 
effective ways of dealing with black money. 

The second one also, with regard to 
ceiling, if the report, as leaked out by the 
Member is true, with regard to ceiling on 
cash one can keep with himself, can be very 
effective. This is only dealing with the 
matter m piecemeal and this particular 
recommendation, however welcome and 
however good a step in the right direction, 
is not adequate. 

So, at the outset, I want to say that 
this is a very piece-meal legislation. The 
Bill fs very much restricted in its scope and 
as such, it is not going to be very effective. 

Now, this is a Bill on evasion of taxes, 
I want to go on record that if a Bill on tax 
evasion should proceed against further 
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[Shri K. Baladhandayutham] 

should not lend itself to evasion* That is 
why I brought forth my three suggestions. . . 

SHRI D1NEN BHATTACHARYYA 
(Serampore) : Double scope for evasion. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM : 

So I suggested thgt the stipulation with 
regard to the minimum amount and the 
stipulation with regard to the minimum time 
for initiation of proceedings can be deleted. 
But the Finance Minister, while introducing 
the Bill, seems to be convinced that there 
is some point in what I said that with 
regard to the minimum there is scope for 
evasion by dividing the property and dispos- 
ing it off piecemeal and with regard to the 
minimum period also collusion is possible 
that officials and, especially, big sharks are 
capable of and have got the means to influ- 
ence and corrupt officials so that the period 
stipulated may elapse and they may go scot- 
free. Now, this is our apprehension. But 
the Minister was trying to convince the 
House that with regard to the minimum 
amount, that is, Rs. 25,000 regarding valu- 
ation of property, if it is not there, there 
will be too many cases and administrative 
difficulty was the plea taken by the Finance 
Minister. If it is only the question of 
administrative difficulty, is it not possible 
for the Government to initiate policy that 
the Department need not go into cases 
which are below the value of Rs. 25,000 and 
only concentrate upon those properties 
which are above that ? You can have a 
policy, but if you put it in the Bill, then 
it becomes a handle for those who can 
evade and who want to evade. But, if it 
is a policy, you can provide against it and 
at the same time, see that there is no 
administrative difficulty because of accumu- 
lation of so many cases to be dealt with. 
There, I appeal to the Finance Minister even 
now to deal with the question as a matter 
of policy and not as the letter of the law 
as part of the Bill. 

With regard to the minimum period also, 
if they want to see that people who have 
had some transactions are not anxious about 
what is going to happen to them and in order 
to ease their mind you want to provide a 
minimum period, I would suggert that you 
can administratively enforce this. You see 
that the Department acts in time and every 


case is apprehended within six months and 
proceedings are initiated within six months. 

It is one thing for you to bring about the 
efficiency in the executive and another thing 
to give this loophole and if the period of 
six months elapses, then can get away with 
it and go scotfree. 

With regard to the second provision also, 
they can make 

mn aft inf 

iTfteiT, it fm'jFrr 1 1 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is being 
rung 

Now, there is quorum. Tfu hon. Member 
may continue. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM. Sir, 
the claim of the Government has been that 
this Bill is a B.ll of penalty, — that is, that 
the property that is acquir d, is acquired as 
a ‘penalty’ for people who evade taxes. It is 
not odd. Sir, that in a Bill of penalty, you 
reward the guilty with a solatium of fifteen 
per cent ? With regai d to this very matter, 

I raised an objection and I gave out my 
dissent but this was dismissed very casually 
by the Finance Minister, on flimsy grounds. 

It was pleaded before the Select Committee 
that the Courts may hold that this is a dis- 
criminate y Bill, if the acquisition is done 
under Land Acquisition Act, they have to 
pay a solatium of 15 per cent and if this 
Bill acquires property without paying that 
solatium, the Court may hold it discrimina- 
tory. This was the plea advanced; this was 
the argument, which I may respectfully sub- 
mit, a flimsy, argument, —which was 
advanced, based upon wh«ch the Select 
Committee was peisuaded to accept the 15 
per cent solatium, but otherwise, the con- 
sensus was and continues still to be that we 
need not reward the guilty by paying 15 per 
cent solatium. Anyway, the consensus in the 
House, I am sure is this, that if this 15 per 
cpnt solatium could be avoided, that would 
be welcome. Nobody is keen that this 15 per 
cent should be paid. What is the plea ? The 
plea is only the constitutionality on the 
point of discrimination. My point is, if you 
pay 15 per cent and acquire the property, 
after all the difference between the market 
value and the apparent conside/atioi) has 
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property; you pay 15 per cent more. You 
acquire property at market value very nearly. 
Where is the penalty ? Penalty is supposed 
to be the black-money exchanged under the 
table. 

If this is the way it is going to be a 
deterrant, only if you acquire the property 
by succession, it is not going to solve the 
problem. I can understand if this Gill 
includes' all immovab ! e property which is 
assessed under less than the market value 
for payment of taxes. In that case I can 
understand this Bill. But what happens 
is, this is only a piecemeal attempt. It is 
only a deterrent; it wants to prevent the 
passing of black-money at the table, while 
selling of the property or the buving of the 
property takes place. In a Bill of this nature 
which has to act as a deterrent, the deter- 
rent can be there only if it frightens the man 
away from entering into these transactions 
But we find that Government are going to 
pay apparent cosideration plus 15 percent. 
Apart from the amount that they pay, they 
are going to pay solatium also as if it is an 
ordinary or normal transaction and there is 
no penal aspect about it. I submit that this 
is not conductive to the objective. I would 
strongly urge that this clause under which 
Government would be paying a solatium 
should be deleted. I would like Govern- 
ment themselves to come forward with an 
amendment, or else accept the amendment 
which I have tabled for dealing with this 
aspect at least, because this is Bill which is 
attacking black money and transactions in 
black money and it is for the first time that 
acquisition of property by Government is 
being resorted to as a matter of penalty for 
tax evasion. 

It has been argued that this is not acqui- 
sition for a public purpose. I submit that 
it is not a Bill for acquisition for a public 
purpose, but it on'y a Bill of taxation. If 
it is a law of taxation which contains a 
penal provision, then I thivk that the pro- 
vision regarding solatium should go. If that 
particular clause is not deleted, I feel that 
the Bill will become a very normal Bill and 
it will not be a deterrent and this provision 
will vitiate the very principle of this 
Bill and will also defeat its very purpose. 

In conclusion, I would say only this that 
ibis is only a piece-meal legislation and 
\% a very restrseted one. However restricted 


it may be, I welcome this Bill because it i 9 
a step in the right direction. However, J 
would submit that this Bill is a half-hearted 
one, and in its implementation, there are 
going to be so many difficulties. I am also 
afraid of corruption which has been referred 
to by my hon. friend Shri G. Viswanathan 
from the DMK. 

To prevent corruption on the part of a 
valuer, there is a provision to the effect that 
a valuer who is found guilty of wilfully 
wrong valuation shall be imprisoned or 
fined. I tried my hardest to see that it was 
only imprisonment, because where offices 
are concerned, they should be above board, 
and they should be above reproach and 
suspicion, and at least in the case of the 
valuers whoes word is going to be taken 
seriously in dealing with properties, we 
thought that the clause must be more strin- 
gent and it must at least put the fear of God 
into them that if they deal with the matter 
casually or if they do it for other consider- 
ations, they will be dealt with very strongly 
by the law of the land. But that provision 
also is not there. 

Ultimately, while welcoming this Bill, I 
would like to urge upon Government that 
there must be a comprehensive Bill dealing 
with the entire question of black money 
which would prevent balck money in any 
form. 

For that purpose, even no.v, I would 
like the interim report of the Wanchoo 
Committee to be published and placed on 
the Table of the House 1 want the Wanchoo 
Committee’s fUi report to be discussed in 
this House, and when a comprehensive BJ1 
is brought forward, these things can become 
a part of that measure. Tackling this prob- 
lem in a pieqe-meal way would not solve the 
problem effectively. Again, it W'ould become 
one of the measures which would be disregar- 
ded and circumvented and made a mockery 
of by those who arc continuing to accumu- 
late black money. m 

With these words, I welcome this Bill 
and support it but I would like the amend- 
ments which I have referred to be accepted 
by Government, and if the Bill is passed 
with those amendments, it would take us in 
the right direction for dealing with black 
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SHR1K.NARA YANA RAO (Bobilli) : 
This is a meaningful measure which has 
introduced three novelties into the tax 
structure of this country. The three novel- 
ties are to detect and prevent the under- 
mentioning of the capital assets in the 
returns submitted to the income-tax authori- 
ties, secondly to pievent the purchasing of 
prop< rties for an amount less than the 
market value and thirdly to see that black 
money is not invested m benamt tiansac- 
tions. 

So far as the three Jatidcb’e objectives 
are concerned, there is no dispute about 
them are and there is no difference of op- 
inion also. But on certain details, the 
differences are bound to be there. 

In this context, I wou'd like to point 
out that there is a provision which s:-ys 
that when there is transfer of property for 
which the market value is more by 15 per 
cent, then the income-tax authorities 
can initiate proceedings and acquire the 
property for the consideration mentioned 
in the registration deed. 

So this will, to my mind, o perate as a 
salutary deterrent 1 would put it no more 
than that It will be a deterrent on the man 
who sells and on the nun who purchases 
It is more a deterrent on the person who 
receives the property for a consideration 
shown in the document registering the deed 
as only an apparent consideration, not the 
real amount /because he knows that theie 
is the possibility of Government acquiring 
it at the value which is mentioned in the 
document plus 15 per cent solatium. As I 
said, this is a double deterrent, both on the 
seller and on the bu>er To that extent, the 
amendment is meaningful and novel also. 

Then comes the question of bananu 
transactions. The Bill piovides that if any 
person claims in a court of law about the 
property, unless he has shown the income 
from this in his income tax return, he can- 
ned have a cause of action in the court. 
That way, it is not possible for anyone to 
engage in a banami transaction so as to get 
away from the tax net. From the point of 
nicety also, there is everything to commend 
this p ovision. 

But there arc certain issues vhkh have 
leen raised, not only J eie but in the Select 


Committee, of which I was not a member. 
One of the points raised, which has consi- 
derable force in it is, whether this enact- 
ment, particularly the transfer part of iti 
would be attracted by art. 31 (?). 

There are three things involved under 
this article One is that no person shall be 
deprived of his piopcrty without the autho- 
rity of law Secondly, there should be no 
acqui.ition or deprivation of private proper- 
ty save for a public purpose. Here comes 
the difficulty. There are two things. Is it 
ncc.ssaiy to take it that whatever property 
is compulsorily acq iiied must be used for 
a public purpose, that is to say, it should 
be used directly by Government ? The point 
is whether the use which is to be put of it 
is to be viewed as a public purpose or 
whether the acquisition is to be for a public 
purpose or not. 

I would like to illustrate the point to 
make myself clear. Suppose a particular 
piece of land is required foi the purpose of 
construction of a school or a building or an 
industry Government compulsorily acquire 
the land and give it to somebody else who 
puts up the school or industiy. The Govern- 
ment do not directly do it. 

So the concept of ‘public purpose* must 
be viewed widely Once you accept that wide 
connotation, there is no difficulty about it. 
Even otherwise, suppose you say that public 
purpose is to be constiued as a purpose for 
which that pioperty is to be utilised, then it 
can be covered, though it is not meant for 
a public purpose in the sense that it is used 
for a public purpose. The sum and substa- 
nce, the di ect result, of this particular 
acquisition is that it has nothing to do with 
thar part, but it is more for the purpose of 
penal action against tax evasion. Jf you 
accept this, I do not think either way the 
matter will be open to doubt. 

Coming to certain criticisms of the Bill, 
ore related to the minimum amount of 
Rs. 25,000, mentioned by my hon. friend. 
The point here, as he also correctly stated, 
is that it is more as a deterrent that it is 
meant. And when you look at these transa- 
ctions, the problem of administration is also 
there. The administrative problems are there 
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unless it is property of a high magnitude ? 
The administrative problem* are there. 
Take* for mstence, the property of Rs. 10,000 
which is acquired. For that, we have to 
spend Rs. 10,000. So, if small properties 
are not going to be acquired for obvious 
reasons, and when you look at the problem 
in its proper perspective, when properties 
are compulsorily acquired for a public pur- 
pose, the administration of these things will 
itself become a big problem. I can under- 
stand the minimum, but there are two other 
things which agitate my mind along with 
that of other friends. About that also, I 
have tabled some amendments. 

As the hon. Minister rightly stated, in 
the original Bill, the period of six months 
is to be counted from the time 
the information is got from the registration 
otfue to the income-tax department. It is 
good. But now they have substituted the 
provision and said that the period of six 
months shall be from the date of registration 
in the registrar’s office. The original provi- 
sion was meaningful in the sense that there 
was a period of six months afler the income- 
tax au horities received the information. 
Now, that penod is also further i educed by 
virtue of certain alterations in the wordings 
in the Bill. It is everybody’s knowledge, 
how the department works. Of course, the 
hon. Minister gave us an assurance that 
he would see that all these things would be 
expedited, but if only he goes to the lower 
level, he can see what types of devices are 
adopted to see that a particular thing does 
not go into the desk. 

My submission, therefore, is this. When 
once your basic objective is to achieve a 
certain thing, why amend the original pio- 
vision ? Nothing is going to happen. I 
submit that a penod of one year would be 
meaningful, because, after the registration, 
the matter is to go to the concerned autho- 
rities, and the concerned income-tax autho- 
rity has to vanfy whether this particular 
property is there and whether the amount 
mentioned in the sale-deed is in excess of 
15 per cent of the market value or not. For 
the satisfaction of the authority, cartain 
enquiries have to be made and only then, 
can come to the conclusion that the parti- 
cular property mentioned in the document 
exceeds or is less than 15 per cant of the 
market value.. Therefore, my submission is 


that the Government has to accept that 
there must be at least one year. Let us all 
be fair enough to see that whatever we do, 
we should not have any limitation. Anyway 
one year is substantial. 

Similarly, about 15 per cent, actually, 
what is happening? When will the initia- 
tion of the proceedings for the acquisition 
of property take place ? What is the guide- 
line ? The guide-line is, when the market 
value is more than 15 per cent of the amount 
mentioned m the sale-deed, then alone, the 
proceedings have to take place. If the 
amount is belcw that, no proceedings can 
take place If the competent authority comes 
to the conclusion that the market value of 
the particular property is about 16 per cent 
that is, the property is more than what is 
mentioned in the document, what is the 
point in paying 15 per cent ? Or, let it be 
just 15 1 per cent. What does one get out 
of it ? Apart from the percentage, what is 
the tremendous amount of expenditure, by 
virtue of this thing, that is involved here ? 

Now, you are having what are called 
value-officers. 

AN HON. MEMBER : Valuers. (Inter- 
ruptions) 

SHRI K NARAYANA RAO : You are 
having a new system by having value-officers. 
This is the first time that they are introduc- 
ing, apart from the registered valuers, what 
are called value officers. You have to main- 
tain them. There is litigation; and there- 
after, even for the propei ties you acquire, 
you do not know the use thereof. 

Sometimes the money stands idle on 
that particular property until you put it to 
benefic al use. Therefore, paying fifteen per 
cent, the logic or the legality of it is not 
understandable. I submit: let it be below 15 
per cent. Instead of 15, I have asked foi 
12 pei cent in my amendment. With these 
remarks, 1 welcome this Bill and support it. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvatfu- 
puzha) : As could be expected, I rise to 
support this Bill. I have no doubt that the 
basic policies which motivated the drafting 
of this Bill will receive general acceptance 
from all sections of the House, though 
some amendment^ may be moved. I want to 
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[Shri C. M. Stephan] 

contemplated by the Finance Minister even 
in 1971 as is evidenced by his observations 
in the Budget speech in May 1971: 

“Undervaluation of property has 
been one of the means of evading wealth 
tax, capital gains tax and some other 
duties. It has also been an important 
avenue for the circulation of black 
money. This practice could be greatly 
discouraged if Government had the 
power to acquire properties at prices 
that correspond to what is recorded in 
the saledeeds. Accordingly we propose 
to move a Bill during the current session 
to acquire the power. I hope it would 
not be considered dishonourable to 
take an honest man at his ownword.” 

An attempt has been made to make out 
as though this step was proposed by the 
Wanchoo Committe. 1 quoted the budget 
speech of the Finance Minister only to emph- 
asise the fact that the step was contemplated 
long before Wanchoo committee ever thought 
of it. Anyway it is now taking concrete 

shape ( Interruptions .) I am not here 

opposing the dissenting note of Mr. Bala- 
dhandayutham; I am in sympathy with some 
of the propositions he has been 
propounding. 

As was cogently pointed out, this meas- 
ure being a penalty measure, the solatium 
that can be granted has got to be minimum. 
The money that is going to be paid bnt 
concealed under the transfer deed will be 
more for the purpose of protecting the 
transferee than for the purpose of protecting 
the transferor. False deeds are taking place 
so that black money could find a place for 
investment. To increase the value to 
the extent of 15 per cent may defeat the 
purpose of the Bill considerably. Once it 
is conceded that the property is worth 
really more than what is spent not in the 
deed, what should be done ? We proceed 
when we assume that it is at least 25 per 
cent less than the real value. Therefore, 
it is conceded that the value of the property 
is higher than the figure spelt out in the 
deed. Therefore, it may not be 
constitutionally viable if an attempt is 
made to take over the property 
without paying what may appear 
to be a reasonable compensation 


What is spelt out in the deed will be good 
enough, but if constitutionally that is not < 
possible, something more may have to be 
done. It is in that spirit that this amount 
has been spelt out. Even there, there is 
sufficient discouragement for the investor. 

We step m when the margin is 25 per cent. 

15 per cent is the solatium we are giving. He 
is losing 10'per cent. But 25 per cent is the 
minimum margin. Actually it may be more. 
So, the transferee will be losing substantially 
even if 15 per cent is given. Therefore, it 
has to be conceded that a solatium will have 
to be stipulated if it is to stand constitu- 
tional sciutiny. Whether it should be 15 or 
10 or 12 per cent is a matter of minor judg- 
ment. Once an assessment is made that he 
has really paid money more than what is 
evidenced by the sale deed, there will 
certainly be further proceedings against him, 
asking him where from he got the money and 
so on. This may be just the beginning of 
further proceedings against that man. There 
is no doubt that this is an effective, well- 
intentioned step of going ahead to net in 
black money. This was contemplated even 
1£ years back. 

The next point raised by Baladandayu- 
tham was this 6 months period. The Finance 
Minister in his opening speech has dealt 
with that. I do not say there is no force in 
the argument of Mr. Baladpandayutham, but 
there is the other aspect of the matter, 
supposing the transferer for the purpose of 
concealing his income and making a profit 
out of the value of the property, sells it, and 
supposing I purchase it in a bona fide 
manner at a bargained price, should there 
not be some certainty for me to possess 
that property ? If the Damocles sword is 
hanging over me all the time, would I care 
to work and improve that property ? To a 
certain extent, for a certain period, this 
uncertainty can continue. But it should not 
be for all time to come. So, a time has to 
be stipulated. Whether it should be 6 or 9 
or 12 months is again a matter of detail. 
The important matter is whether a time 
stipulation must be there or not. I feel it 
has got to be there. If the Government 
could on its own come to the House with a 
legislation asking for power to take over a 
property almost aroujid the price which is 
spelt out in the transfer deed, the bonafides 
and earnestness which prompted the Govern- 
ment to do so will certainly enable the 



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Government to come before the House again 
if they find that this six months* period is 
too short and persons are escaping from 
the net. The important point is, an earnest 
effort is being made to face this malady of 
black money. Much has been said about the 
interim report. I do not know why so 
much noise is being made about it. 
What is contained in the interim report, 
that broad proposition is already there. 
Even in 1971 this was spelt out clearly. It 
is not as if some new big discovery has 
been made by some body and so repeatedly 
a demand is being mad and much noise is 
made about a discussion here. It would say 
that in the inerests of the general dignity 
to of the House it is better not discuss 
it here. That would be the path of sanity, 
even though incessantly, repeatedly ad 
nauseam demands are made for its discus* 
sion. 

Three propositions were put forth. They 
are being implemented. There is no hide 
and seek about it. Does anybody think that 
the government, as it is constituted today, 
does not want to fight black money ? It 
has got to fight black money if it wants to 
exist, if it wants to implement its policy. 
It is a question of “To be or not to be*’. 
Certainly, the government which is in 
charge of the administration of the 
country today, is much more anxious, 
much more earnest, much more subje- 
ctively interested in fighting black 
money, because if it fails to fight black 
money then it will not be able to achieve 
the economic reconstruction of the country. 
So, let no one come forward as the cham- 
pion of the fight against black money. If 
that demand is pressed too much, there 
will be a microscopic enquiry which will 
reveal things which will not be palatable 
even to those persons who make that 
demand. Therefore, let us forget all that. 

Now this provision has been brought 
forth. I must compliment the government 
'for giving concrete statutory shape to the 
Remise which was spelt out in the first 
Speech made on the floor of the House. 

Defects, detciencies and shortcomings have 
»' got to be detected by experience. It has got 
to be done step by step; a forward move 
4as got to be made. But when we make the 
move, we also have got to be carefbl that 


the move is not scuttled by judicial scrutiny. 
Secondly, in our enthusiasm we should not 
forget the necessity of giving a sense of 
security to people who are purchasing pro- 
perty because it may result in deliberate 
abandonment of purchase of property if 
insecurity conditions prevail. Although 
there i9 quite a lot of sense in what Shri 
Baladhandayutham said, we have to appro- 
ach ihe proposition from these two angles 
and these two points of view have to be 
given their own weight and they have got to 
be suppoited. With these observations, I 
support tiie Bill whole-heartedly. 

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lie may speak tomorrow 

SHRf YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
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reply tomorrow 

MR CHAIRMAN The House stands 
adjourned to meei again at 11 A M 
tomoi i ow 

18 01 hrs 

The Lok Sabha then adjourned nil Tlevn 
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CONTENTS 

• No, li— Friday, August 18, 1$72 /Srevana 27, 1894 (Saka) 

Columns 


Oral Answers to Questions — 

•Starred Questions Nos. 261 to 264 ... . . 1-26 

Written Answers to Questions — 

Starred Questions Nos. 265 to 280 . . 26-37 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2580 to 2609, 2612 to 2621, 

2623 to 2634, 2636 to 2656, 2658, 2659, 2661 to 2666, 

2668 to 2686, 2688, 2689, 2691 to 2708, 2710 to 2722, 

2724 to 2731, 2733 to 2765, 2767 and 2769 to 2779. 37-164 

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- 

Reported Crisis in Powerloom industry in Maharashtra . 165-79 

Papers Laid on the Table 179-82 

Business Advisory Committee — 

Fifteenth Report 182 

Business of the House 182-85 

Taxation Laws (Amendment) Bill — 

Motion to consider 185-92 

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan 185-88 

Clauses 2 to 25 and 1 189 

Motion to pass, as reported by the Select Committee • . 192 

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan ...... 192 


Punjab New Capital (Periphery) Control (Chandigarh Amend- 


ment) Bill — 

Motion to consider 192-213 

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya . , 192-93 

Shri Amamath Vidyalankar . . 193-97 

Shri B. S. Bhaura 197-200 

Shri Darbara Singh . 200-3 

Shri Mukhtiar Singh Malik 203-7 

Shri Sat Pal Kapur 207-10 

Clauses 2 to 5 and 1 213 

Motion to pass 213 

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya 210-12 


•The sign + marked above the name of a Member nd<ca(«s (bat the question was 
actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 

. 1—10 LSS/72 




Columns 


Dentists (Amendment) Bill — 

Motion to consider, a6 passed by Rajya Sabha > . 213-16 

Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya 213-14 

Dr. Saradisb Roy 214-16 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ...... 214 


Constitution (Amendment) Bill — 

( Insertion of new articles 23 A, 23 B and 23 C) by Prof. 


Afadhu Dandavate 

Motion to consider ........ 216-48 

Dr. G. S. Melkote 216-21 

Shri Balgovind Verma 221-27 

Shri K. Narayana Rao 227-30 

Shri A. M. Chellachami 230-32 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ...... 232-35 

Shri B. V. Naik 235-37 

Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra 237-39 

Shri Nitiraj Singh Chaudhary 239-44 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate ...... 244—48 

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Payment of Bonus (Amendment) Bill — 


{Amendment of Sections 2, 10 etc.) by Prof. Madhu 
Dandavate 


Motion to consider 248-68 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 248-57 

Shri S. M. Banerjee 257-60 

Shri C. M. Stephen 260-65 

Shri Somnath Chatterjee ...... 265-68 

Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy 268 

Half-an-hour Discussion — 

Control being exercised by I.O.C. over the functioning of 

Indo-Burma Petroleum 269-90 

Shri Jyotirmoy Bo6u 269-72 

Shri H. R. Gokhale 277-459 



LOK SABHA DEBATES 


l 

LOK SABHA 


Friday, August 18, 1972 ISravana 27, 
1894 (Saka) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the 

Clock 

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair] 
ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Arrears of Direct Taxes 

+ 

*261. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP- 
PAN : 

SHRI 1SHWAR CHAU- 
DHRY : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) what is the total amount of 
direct taxes arrears as on 30th June, 
1972; 

(b) what steps have been taken by 
Government to speed up the collection 
of arrears ; 

(c) whether as a result of these steps, 
there has been any improvement in the 
realisation of arrears in the last two 
years ; and if so, to what extent ; and 

(d) what further steps Government 
propose to take to improve the collection 
of tax arrears? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) Informa- 
tion regarding the total amount of 
arears of direct taxes as on 30th June, 
1972 is not readily available. The latest 
information available is in respect of the 
direct taxes outstanding as on 31st 
March, 1972, which is given below : — 


(In crores of rupees) 


Income-tax 

438.60 

(Net arears). 


Wealth-tax 

16.01 

Gift-tax 

2.59 ^ 

Estate Duty 

13-75 


2 

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on 
the Table of the House. 

(d) •Wanchoo Committee have made 
certain recommendations in regard to 
reduction and collection of tax arrears. 
These are under consideration. 

STATEMENT 

1. Introduction of the scheme of 
functional distribution of work under 
which one or more I.T.Os in every fun- 
ctional range attend only to the work of 
collection. 

2. Taking over of the recovery work 
from the State Government and entrus- 
ting it to Tax Recovery Officers of the 
Income-tax Department working under 
Tax Recovery Commissioners and for 
that purpose, increase in the strength 
of Tax Recovrey Staff (Officers, Addi- 
tional Commissioners and Commissio- 
ners). 

3. Vigorous enforcement policy invol- 
ving attachement of debts and bank 
balances and attachment and sale of 
moveables and immoveables. 

4. Expediting of disposal of appeals 
involving substantial amounts in dispute 
so that collection of ultimate taxes, 
determined on appeal, could be 
enforced. 

5. Observance of arrear clearance 
fortnights in order to concentrate all 
attention and energy on giving effect to 
appellate and rectification orders and 
collection of ultimate tax dues, 

6. Facilitating payment of taxes by 

assessees with the acceptance of crossed 

cheques at special receipt counters in 

the Income-tax Offices. 

• 

7. Posting of senior officers, such as 
Additional Commissioners and Tax 
Recovery Commissioners for supervision 
and control over recovery of taxes and 
tax arrears. 

8 . Supervision of cases with tax 
arrears over Rs. 1 lakh by Com- 
missioners, over R 9 . 5 lakhs by Director 
(Research, Statistics & Publications) 
and by the Central Board of Direct 
Taxes for arrears over Rs. 25 lakhs. 



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Oral Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Oral Answers 


4 


Reductions in gross arrears (by way 
of adjustment, appeal effects and cash 
collections) in respect of the various 
Direct Taxes are as under : — 

(In crares of rupees) 


Financial Income- Weal- Gift- Estate 
Year , tax th-tax tax Duty 


1970- 71 . 328*45 3*37 0-53 1-48 

1971- 72 . 303*64 3*33 0-65 2*15 


SHRI C. K. CHANRAPPAN : With 
the available information the Minister 
has agreed that there are huge arrears 
of tax to be collected. I would like to 
know from the Minister what is the 
share of default from the corporate 
sector and which are the industrial 
houses which are involved in keeping 
big arrears and whether Government 
have taken any deterrent action against 
any of those industrial houses which 
are continuously defaulting in paying 
taxes. I would also like to know the 
names of these industrial houses. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : In reply to 
the first question of the hon. Member I 
may say that we have, from time to 
time, replied that these arrears of taxes 
are a continuing process. Certain 
demands are raised and certain collec- 
tions are made in the current year ; 
certain arrears remain from the previous 
years. But we have also stated that 
there has been a progressive reduction 
in the arrears, and this year alone we 
have collected about Rs. 61 crores. 

In reply to his second question, I do 
not have at present the figure of the 
corporate sector out of these arrears that 
are there. But we have, I think, sup- 
plied to the House very lengthy state- 
ments about arrears of Rs. 5 lakhs, 
arrears of Rs. 10 lakhs and so on. If 
the hon. Member wants tq know of any 
specific industrial house, he may put 
a separate question and I will be able 
to give the answer. 

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
What about taking deterrent action ? 

SHRI K, R. GANESH : Deterrent 
action will be taken, whether it is indus- 
trial house or anybody. 


SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : to 
the last part of the statement attached 
to the ahswer. certain reductions by w^y 
of adjustment, appeal effects and cash 
collections during the last two financial 
years are given. While answering the 
supplementary }ult now,' the Minister 
stated that the. cash collection was 
Rs. 61 crores this year. The figure 
given of reduction in 1971-72 in the 
statement is Rs. 303.64 in respect of 
income-tax. I would like to know what 
was the amount 'written off during this 
year and during the last two years from 
the tax arrears. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : As far as the 
amounts written of is concerned I will 
have to collect the figures. But, for the 
benefit of the hon. Members, I wish to 
say that for writing off an amount, a 
very elaborate process is there and the 
demands which become irrecoverable 
are under the following heads s 

(1) Asscssees have died leaving 
behind no assets. 

( 2 ) Assessee companies have gone 
into liquidation. 

( 3 ) Assessees have become insolvent. 

(4) Assessees are not traceable. 

(5) Assessees have left no tangible 
assets. 

(6) Amount is written off as a result 
of settlement with the assessees. 

(7) Demands not found due on ac- 
count of subsequent information, 
such as duplicate demands, etc. 

It is only on the basis of script 
scrutiny where no other method is 
possible, only then demands are raised. 
There is a high-power committee and it 
is done by the high-power committee 
and over a ceiling it comes to the 
Finance Minister himself. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA* 
CHARYYA : The Minister has very 
cleverly avoided the specific question 
asked by Mr. Chandrappan regarding 
arrears of taxes as to what was the 
amount due from the corporate sector 
and which are the big industrial houses 
that are still in arrears. 

MR. SPEAKER : He has replied to 
the latter part of the question. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : But he has not specifically 
mentioned the names of the big business 
houses. 



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SRAVANA 27, 1394 >(SAKA) 


Oral Answers 6 


MR; SPEAKER : H* says tbat he has 
already replied to the same question. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : He might have replied 
some time back, but, to-day in relation 
to the question specifically asked .... 

MR. SPEAKER : Will you please 
listen tx> me ? The same question was 
asked and he has replied and that reply, 
whatever it is, is there. If you raise 
the same question, he will give the 
same reply again. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : In how many cases are 
the big business houses in arrears and in 
how many cases was action taken 
against the big business houses? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I have 
already said that if you ask, these are 
Rs. 436 crores arrears and these 
Rs. 436 crores arrears would mean a 
couple of thousands of assessees. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : Of the 75 big business 
houses, how many are in arrears ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Probably, 
the hon. Member does not, with his poli- 
tical knowledge, realise that it is very 
difficult to get big monopoly houses. 
Not that we do not have any infor- 
mation.. ..(Interruptions) I have already 
indicated that we have given figures in 
this House running into 500-600 
assessees names — people who are in 
arrears of Rs. 5 lakhs, assessees with 
arrears ot Rs. 10 lakhs and assessees 
with arrears of Rs. 1 lakh. 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : What 
about assessees having arrears of Rs. 1 
crore and more? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : If you ask 
a specific question about the 75 big 
business houses, 1 will have no hesita- 
tion in giving that answer also. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The hon. 
Minister has stated that the outstanding 
arrears of income tax are about Rs. 500 
crores. Although we have been impos- 
ing more and more taxes, we are 
leaving these arrears of Rs. 500 crores 
income tax uncollected. There are 
certain people who are in the upper 
brackets of income who know the ways 
to* evade taxes and as a consequence of 


that, the income, tax arrears have been 
mounting up. All these people know 
the technique of playing fraud against 
the Government. Even sometimes, they 
seek protection from the courts. . . . 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Sir, he ha s 
forgotten that he is now in the Congress. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : He said that 
certain people have been declared in- 
solvent, certain people have died and 
certain people have gone away, etc. 
There are certain people who do these 
transactions in the names of their wives, 
some in the names of their relatives ; 
such hinami transactions of the 
properties take place and the ITO does 
not touch those culprits. They are 
cheating the Government in this manner. 
I would like to know how long it will 
take to accept the Wanchoo Committee’s 
recommendations. How far has Gov- 
ernment taken steps to catch such 
fraudsters an thus end this fraud and 
cheating of the big business houses 
forthwith ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The 
Wanchoo Committee was set up for 
this purpose and for finding out as to 
how to bring about legislative and 
administrative measures so that such 
things could be eliminated. The recom- 
mendations of the Wanchoo Committee 
are under serious consideration and we 
are trying to expedite these matters. 

MR. SPEAKER : If the question is 
long, the answer need not necessarily be 
very long. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : We know, 
there are people who use certain techni- 
cal means to evade taxes. The Finance 
Minister made a statement in Rajya 
Sabha. He said that a special cell is 
being appointed to go into the depth of 
this matter and take action in respect 
of these big houses. Between 1946-47 
to 1971-72, Rs, 9694 crores -have been 
collected, constituting 86 per cent of the 
demands raised. While it is a serious 
problem, it is not of such magnitude 
that the Government of India cannot 
tackle it. 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want 
to put a specific question. 

MR. SPEAKER : I see a big man 
opposite to me ... . 



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Oral Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Oral Answers 


8 


SHRI PILOO MODY: The reasons 
due to which taxes are not collected 
are two. The assessments that art 
made are made in such a fashion that 
they are pitched so high that you have 
to go into long-drawn out arguments 
and representations with the Government 
delaying the collection of taxes thereby 
and the other reason is that these people 
are taking money from these business- 
men and therefore giving them all man- 
ner of facilities for not paying taxes... 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Even 
Swatantra party is enabled to evade 
taxes . . . 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I will add that 
also if it pleases my hon. friend. Now, 
first of all, I would like to know whether 
the Government itself has instituted any 
procedure whereby assessments can 
reasonably be made and disposed of 
quickly so that they could collect crores 
and crores of rupees worth of taxes. 
Secondly, I would like to know whether 
they have plans to stop squeezing money 
out of these parties, so that they do not 
have to let off the tax evaders, 

AN HON. MEMBER : There are 
allegations made. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I can only 
give a political answer but that will 
involve him ; it is not certainly connect- 
ed with this particular question. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : He is em- 
barrassed and therefore he cannot 
answer. The first question is purely 
technical, and he may give the answer 
as a technician. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU rose— 

MR. SPEAKER : This question has 
already taken a long time ; I find I can- 
not proceed with the list. Shri Hukam 
Chand Kachwai. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Since 
the big man had got up, you had asked 
me to sit down. Now, the small man 
is getting up and kindly give him a 
chance. 

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SHRI K. R. GANESH : The first is 
a very valuable suggestion. The Wanchoo 
Committee has also gone into it, and the 
hon. Member’s useful suggestion will 
be taken into consideration. The 
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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will the 
hon. Minister kindly tell us the arrears 
ot taxes outstanding against Shri Biju 
Pafnaik before the merger of Utkal 
Congress with the Congress ? What is 
the position today ? I am asking for 
information on one specific case. 
Secondly, what is the amount of tax 
arrears outstanding against Shri R. P. 
Goenka and his group. 

MR. SPEAKER : That is a separate 
question. The main question is a gene- 
ral question. 

SHRI PILOO MODY And some of 

their colleagues. 

MR. SPEAKER : If the hon. Minister 
has got the information and he is 
prepared to give it, I have no objection. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I shall have 
to collect the information. I cannot give 
the specific information asked for at 
this moment. 



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SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 


10 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Oho, 
oo ! 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not please 
do like that. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I cannot 
give specific information at the moment 
as far as $hri Biju Patnaik and Shri 
R. P. Goenka are concerned. But I 
can assure the hon. Member that all 
efforts are being made. We are handi- 
capped by various means. As far as 
Shri Biju Patnaik is concerned, he has 
got 75 writs in the Calcutta High Court. 
I have already said, and if you would 
permit me, I would repeat that 
certain judicial processjes have 
also to undergo certain change, 
and that is also the recommen- 
dation of the Law Commission, which 
is under the consideration of Govern- 
ment. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What 
about Shri R. P. Goenka ? The hon. 
Minister said something about Shri 
Biju Patnaik, their guarantor for pos- 
ters. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is too general a 
question to fit into the main question. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I seek 
your permission to point out that when 
Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya wanted to 
know the arrears of 75 large houses his 
question was described as a very gene- 
ral question. But I have given two 
specific instances. If the ruling from 
the Chair is that this cannot also fit in- 
to the main question, I do not know 
what wc can do. . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Since the hon. 
Minister does not have the information 
offhand, he will supply it to the hon. 
Member later. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Stay- 
ing at home lsi a very nice thing and 
we can enjoy it also, but we have a 
duty to perform, and you are our pat- 
ron-saint sitting in the Chair, and you 
have to permit us to perform that duty. 
The hon. Minister may reply to the 
question in regard to the arrears out 
standing against Shri R. P. Goenka. If 
he does not, then we shall say that there 
are huge amounts outstanding against 
him and the hon. Minister is just shiel- 
ding him. 

SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA : 
There are many big houses which evade 
taxea worth lakhs of rupees by entering 


into negotiations or by having compro- 
mises with the income-tax authorities 
and the parties which are in a position 
to pay do not pay. Then, there is ne- 
gotiation and compromise is started 
and they evade the taxes. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The Board 
of Direct Taxes is definitely against 
compounding of cases. But where 
there are judicial processes, naturally 
those judicial processes have to be gone 
through ; then, there are judicial peti- 
tions and petitions to the board and 
they have also to be gone through. 
But I can assure the hon. Member that 
it is the policy of the Finance Ministry 
not to compound cases as far as practi- 
cable and to see that all those who 
could be penalised and prosecuted are 
prosecuted. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In reply 
to a supplementary regarding the 
amounts written off, the the hon. Minis- 
ter read out certain conditions under 
which they are written off after being 
investigated by a high-power com- 
mittee. One of the conditions was that 
the person concerned had died or his 
concern had been liquidated. Is he 
aware of a case which has been reopened 
in regard to one gentleman by name, 
Shri Ram Rattan Gupta, and in whose 
case Rs. 21 lakhs have been written off 
in Kanpur ? He is neither dead nor 
has his concern undergone liquidation. 
I want to know what has happened to 
that. 

Mr. SPEAKER: Tt is an individual 
case. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He wanted 
individual cases. 

MR. SPEAKER : How can it be 
asked at this time? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I want to 
know whether it has been reopened. 

MR. SPEAKER : He has given a 
clue to him. That is enough. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Firstly, it is 
not very safe to go into Kanpur. I am 
not giving any assurance, but as far as 
my present memory goes, this amount 
of Rs. 25 lakhs concerning Shri Ram 
Rattan Gupta has not been written off. 
If I am wrong, I will correct it. 

MR. SPEAKER : I said it is a sped* 
fic case. But if in this case his memory 



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served him right, why not in the other 
oases asked by Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu? 
Why does he put me in a difficult 
position ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : With your 
permission, may I give an explanation ? 

MR. SPEAKER : If his memory has 
worked in one case, it should work in 
the other case also. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The case of 
Shri Ram Rattan Gupta referred to 
writing off. 

MR. SPEAKER : My only question 
is, if in this case his memory has 
worked, why should it not work in the 
cases referred to by Shri Jyotirmoy 
Bosu? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : My answer 
is that the case of Shri Ram Rattan 
Gupta referred to writing off. It is not 
a question of arrears ; it is not a ques- 
tion of what is due. That was why I 
replied. . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : He did not follow 
what I said. In regard to a previous 
question, we have been taking the stand 
that the main question is too general a 
question and under it individual or 
specific questions cannot be asked. You 
wanted notice in regard to such cases. 
I held your objection in order and told 
him that these were two individual 
cases which cannot be adjusted into this 
question. Now you have adjusted the 
case mentioned by Shri Banerjee. So 
my ruling is absolutely nullified. 

SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD : 
Because he remembers that case ; the 
others he does not remember. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We are 
very grateful to you. Sir. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I shall try 
to explain. I thought there was a 
distinction between this particular refe- 
rence concerning write-off of Rs. 25 
lakhs with reference to Shri Ram Rat- 
tan Gupta and the other cases 
referred to by Shri Jyotir- 

moy Bosu. I have this specific 
information that we are taking all legal 
steps to collect all the arrears. 

In the other question, I was asked 
what were the arrears to which I have 
already given a general reply in regard 


to arrears *due from industrial houses 
of Rs. 5 lakhs, Rs. 10 lakhs and so on. 
If he wanted more specific particulars 
about those persons, I would have 
given them. That was why I took the 
liberty of answering this particular 
question, 

MR. SPEAKER : He asked about 
Shri Biju Patnaik and Shri R. P. 
Goenka. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : About Shri 
Goenka, I have replied. If he gives me 
a specific question, I will answer. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : He has already put a 
specific question, namely, what is the 
amount remaining as arrears in respect 
of R. P. Goenka. 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. He 
will give it to you later on. ( Interrup- 
tion ) Every day, you almost take so 
much of time on one question. For 
example, this question has taken 25 
minutes. What is the use of other ques* 
tions then ? The Members, at the end, 
always approach me and say that 
their turn does not come at all. There 
can be one, two or three supplement 
taries but the whole time should not be 
monopolised by one question. Next 
question. 

Seizure of smuggled Goods 

*262. SHRI RANABAHADUR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the places from where contra* 
band goods have been seized in the 
country during the last six months ; 

(b) the action taken by Government 
in this regard ; and 

(c) the total amount collected by the 
Customs and Excise Department 
through sales and disposal of such con* 
traband goods during the last two 
years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) In view of the 
large number of seizures of contraband 
goods that have been made at different 
places during the last six months, the 
information would be very detailed and 
its collection would take considerable 
time. However, the bulk of the 
seizures of contraband goods were 



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14 


madci gt various places and ports along 
the west Coast of India. Some seizures 
were alsp made in other big towns in 
the country. The more important 
places from where contraband goods 
were seized are ; 

Bombay (City and Port), Madras 
(City and Port), Calcutta (City and 
Port), Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bulsar, 
Rajkot, Surat, Daman, Bangalore and 
Mysore. 

(b) in all such cases, departmental 
adjudication proceedings are started 
under the Customs Act for confiscation 
of the smuggled goods and imposition 
of penalties on persons concerned. In 
addition, prosecutions in courts of law 
are launched in suitable cases. 

(c) The total amount collected 
through the sale of smuggled goods 
during the year 1970 and 1971 was 
Rs. 16.88 Crores. 

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH: 
May I ask the Minister, through you, 
whether any seizures have also been 
made at Varanasi ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I will get 
this information and supply it. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Sir, it is 
very unfortunate and rather disgraceful 
on the part of the Government for its 
inability to check this smuggling busi- 
ness. Crores of rupees are involved in 
this ; gold is coming ; nylon is coming ; 
biscuits and powder are coming ; laven- 
der is coming. The foot-paths of all 
the big cities are full of such smuggled 
goods. I was told that a scheme has 
been contemplated to check this by 
watching over the seas from a ship or 
helicopter and other apparatus. May 
I know what sort of action the Govern- 
ment is going to take in order io 
prevent all sorts of smuggling goods, 
wherein crores of rupees are involved? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I agree with 
the hon. Member that smuggling is a 
serious problem, and very scarce 
resources of the country are deflected 
as a result of smuggling. ( Interruption ) 
I was trying to mention that as far as 
smuggling is concerned, it has now 
become an international phenomenon, 
and very sophisticated means of smug- 

» are being used. The Government 
set up a committee, and fast-going 
crafts are being ordered so that we may 


be able to catch those things. Admini- 
strative and legislative measures are 
also being taken to see that smuggling is 
eliminated to the extent possible. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : This com- 
mittee will not do. This is escapism. 
Appointing a committee means what ? I 
wanted to know specifically what appa- 
ratus has been introduced to check 
smuggling because, long ago, a scheme 
has been contemplated for having ships 
and helicopters. Dubai and Singapore 
are the two places which are very near. 
Goods are coming from Duboi and 
from Singapore. . . . ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : That is good infor- 
mation for him. 

DR. SARADISH ROY : How many 
persons have been arrested and how 
many persons were convicted during 
the last two years ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : During 1970, 
2107 persons were arrested; 264 prose- 
cutions had to be dropped, 265 persons 
were convicted and 203 persons had 
been acquitted. In 1971, 2399 persons 
had been arrested ; 124 cases had to be 
dropped ; 350 have been convicted and 
125 had been acquitted. 

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SHRI K. R. GANESH : It is a veiy 
useful suggestion for action. 

SHRIMATI MUKUL BANERJI : 
What action is he taking to provide 
speedy launches to our customs officers 
in Vizag and Madras, because it seems 
that the smugglers have got speedier 
launches than our customs officers? 
If we could provide customs officers 



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IS 


with launches speedier than those used 
by smugglers, by spending a few lakhs 
we shall he able to collect a few crores. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I agree with 
the hon. Member. The question of 
giving orders for building such boats is 
in the final stages. 

MR. SPEAKER : You have agreed 
with everybody today. 

When two or three supplementaries 
have been asked, I request the hon. 
Members not to get up. I found hon. 
Members getting up to ask supplemen- 
taries, even though more than half the 
time is over. 


Number of Indian Tourist Centres opera- 
ting in United States, Central America 
and South America 

+ 

*263. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

SHRI VEKARIA : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Indian Tourist 
Centres operating in United States, Cen- 
tral America and South America ; 

(b) the number of employees work- 
ing in those centres ; and 

(c) the number of tourists that have 
visited India from the respective areas 
during the last three years, year-wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) 4 (3 in the 
United States and 1 in Mexico). 

(b) 28. 


(c) Number of Tourists 


Year From From 

US. A. Central 

& South 
America 


1969 . . . 52,836 3,989 

1970 . . . 58,793 5,099 

1971 . 54,982 3,441 


(Separate figures for Central America 
and South America are not available.) 


SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Considering 
the small number of tourists from South 
American countries to India and also* 
the increase in the round-the-world trips 
being performed by South American 
tourists, may I know what special 
measures are being considered by the 
Government to attract South American 
tourists ? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : As my state- 
ment will make it clear, the number of 
tourists from South America has in fact 
declined over the last year or so. We 
have an office in Mexico. I must admit 
that South America has not yet deve- 
loped into a very lucrative market for 
tourists ; it has a very long way to go 1 
yet. Our Mexico office at present is 
dealing with promotional work in South 
America. We are producing some 
literature in Spanish so that it might be 
sent to South America. But I must 
say that South America does not seem, 
even in the near future, to be a very 
lucrative source of foreign tourists. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I specially 
mentioned round-the-world trip tourists 
because there is no direct airline between 
South American countries and Asia. 
They have always to go via Europe. 
Would the minister consider asking Air 
India to operate from India to South 
America through Africa ? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : It would not 
be economically feasible, because the 
competition in South American routes 
is very strong. There is very little 
ethnic traffic. We have from time to 
time considered the possibility but it is 
not in the near future likely to be a 
feasible proposition. 

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The South- 
East Asian countries being very close to 
India historically, culturally and socially, 
what steps have been taken by Govern- 
ment to open tourist centres there and 
encourage tourists from those countries 
to come to India? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : We have 
Government of India tourist offices in 
Tokyo and Singapore and Sydney also. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : What about 
Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and so 
many countries are there ; what about 
those countries? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : The Tokyo 
and Singapore offices cover the whole 
region and promotional work is done. 
But we must remember that opening a 
tourist office abroad involves a good 
deal of expenditure. But if it is neces- 
sary, we will certainly open more offices. 

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Rao Birender 


SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Question No. 264. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There 
are two groups of Goenkas. Which 
group is he referring to ? 

MR.. SPEAKER : Please do not 
interrupt like this. Let him read the 
reply. 

Malpractices committed by Goenke 
Group of companies 

*264. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH 
RAO : Will the Minister of COMPANY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Government 
to appoint a Commission of Inquiry to 
go into the various malpractices com- 
mitted by the Goenka Group of Com- 
panies during the last three years ; 

(b) if so, the proposed constitution 
of the Commission and its terms of 
reference ; and 

(c) the time by which the Com- 
mission will submit its report to 
Government? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : (a) Presumably the Hon’ble 
Member has in view the group of com- 
panies associated with Shri Ramn&th. 
Goenka. Twelve companies of this, 
group have been inspected. With 
regard to National Co. Ltd., Calcutta 
and Andhra Prabha Private Ltd., 
Madras, F.I.Rs were filed with the 
C.B.I. The C.B.I. registered the F.IRs 
and commenced investigation. With 
regard to investigation of F.I.R. concer- 
ning National Co., Ltd. the 
matter had been taken to the 
High Court of Calcutta by the 
National Qo. Ltd. under Article 
226 of the Constitution. Single Judge 
dismissed the petition and a Division 
Bench of the High Court heard the 
appeal. It is understood that the judg- 
ment is pending. As regards the F.I.R. 
filed against Andhra Prabha Private 
Ltd., writ petitions were filed before 
the High Court of Madras. The writ 
petitions were dismissed by a Single 
Judge. The appeal filed against the 
judgment of the Single Judge is pending. 

The Inspection Reports of the com- 
panies inspected are under examination- 



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20 


Hie question of appointing a Commis- 
sion of Inquiry will be considered on 
merits. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO : 
This is a specific question about the 
Goenka group of concerns. Now, will 
the hon. Minister come out with the 
information under his sleeves ? I would 
like to know (1) the names of com- 
panies under these two groups of 
Goenkas and whether one of those com- 
panies was responsible for the printing 
of posters for the Congress compaign. . 
(interruptions) Let the Minister reply 
to it. . . (interruptions ) . 

MR. SPEAKER : Let the Member 
usk his question. 

SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO : 
Was the company which printed the 
posters one of this group ? Secondly, 
wbat were the types of malpractices 
•committed by these companies ? Was 
non-payment of income-tax or conceal- 
ment of income one ol the malprac- 
tices ? If so, what is the amount of 
arrears outstanding against this group of 
companies ? 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : 
When this question was transferred to 
us yesterday evening, I understood this 
•question to mean that it referred to Shri 
Ramnath Goenka. There is no specific 
indication mentioned in the question 
which relates to one particular group 
and I do not think the Ramnath Goenka 
.group is less guilty thap the group . . . 

( interruptions ) Now, on the question of 
information.... ( interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : If he is interrupted 
like that, how can the Minister reply 
to the question ? 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
The first information filed by the 
Department of Company Affairs with 
the CBI with respect to Andhra Prabha 
Private Limited is for offences disclosed 
under sections 120B, 420, 477 A. . . 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Sir, the 
answer has no relevance to the question 
at all. One is talking about chalk and 
the other is talking about cheese. 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It Is 
precisely because of this that I wanted 
it to be spelt out as to which Goenka 
this refers to ? But, Sir, you made me 
sit down ( interruptions ) 

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. . . ( interruptions ) 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I have a 
further complaint. The matter has been 
clarified quite explicitly that the ques- 
tion has to do with the poster-wala 
Goenka and not the other one. Still, 
he persists in replying to the supplemen- 
tary about the other Goenka. He is 
only reading from his file. . . (Interrup- 
tions) 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. Mr. 
Piloo Mody, please don’t get excited. 
(Interruptions) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
you kindly protect us so that we get a 
proper reply, not a cock-and-bull 
story ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Your reply, what- 
ever it might be, should be to the ques- 
tion put by Mr. Rao. Whatever you 
want to say should be in reply to the 
supplementary put by the Member. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : 
With respect to the question put by 
Shri Rao in respect of Goenka group 
of companies, 1 will give whatever in- 
formation I have got with me. If the 
hon. Member wants any further in- 
formation, he may be kind enough to 
put a separate question. It was not 
known to which Goenka group of com- 
panies he referred to. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
This is about appointing a Commission 
of inquiry to go into the various mal- 
practices committed by the Goenka 
Group of Companies. There may be 
two or three groups. I am not bothered 
about that. If he does not know the 



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SRAVANA. 27,' 1894 tfAKA) Oral Answers tt 


names *f companies under the poenka 
Group, how can he say about 11181 
practices committed by , them 7 

MR. ^SPEAKER : If there was any 
doubt about which Goenka group he 
referred to, you should have referred 
tack the Question to our Secretariat 
and we could have got more clarification 
from the Member sending the Question. 
Now, you have accepted this Question. 
That is the difficulty. At this stage, 
you are telling me, you do not know 
which Goenka group he referred to. 
You could have referred it back to us 
if it was not very clear. 


SHR1 RAGHUNATHA REDDY : 
The Question was transferred to us 
yesterday late in the evening. With 
great respect to the House and to you, 
Sir, I thought I should answer the 
Question to the extent possible. 


MR. SPEAKER : I postpone it the 
question, as I understand, will be about 
Goenka group to which Mr. Rao 
referred. 

SHRI BlRENDER SIRGH RAO : 
All the Goenka group of companies. 

MR. SPEAKER : In that case, I can- 
not postpone it. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 

I would like to know whether there it 
any connection between the two . . . 

(Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : You have changed 
your position. I do not think I should 
postpone it now. 1 am not postponing 
it now. If it was about all the Goenka 
group of companies, then the Minister 
was very correct. . . . (Interruptions) I 
am not postponing it 


MR. SPEAKER : If you like, I can 
postpone it. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : 
I will give the information that is 
available with me. . . 


SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
I would like to know, first of all, the 
names of all the companies belonging 
to the Goenka group. I have not said 
one Goenka group ; 1 want about all 
Goenka groups. 


MR. SPEAKER : If you want more 
time, that can be given. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : 
II you direct me Sir, to give some more 
information which is not available with 
me, I will be willing to do so. I will 
give whatever information I have. But 
1 do not have the entire information. 
The time was not enough. I thought 
it referred to Ramnath Goenka group. 
The question of appointing a Com- 
mission of inquiry with respect to com- 
panies of Ramnath Goenka was speci- 
fically raised in the Rajya Sabha some 
time back. I thought, the Member 
might be having the same thing in his 
mind. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
As you have been pleased to say, 
it would probably, be much better to 
take up the Question later because the 
hon. Minister, in his reply to the main 
Question, said that be thought it related 
to Ramnath Goenka group of com- 
panies which was not meant. Now the 
Goenka group of companies, according 
to the Monopolies Commission, is of 
Mr. R. P. Goneka, not of Mr. Ramnath 
Goenka. So, we will not be doing 
justice to the Question unless it is taken 
up afresh later. 


MR., SPEAKER : Please sit down. 
Your question is about malpractices 
committed by Goenka Group of 
Companies. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
There can be a connection between the 
two Goenka groups ( Interruption ) How 
can it be independent ? 

MR. SPEAKER : If it relates to all 
Goenkas, the question will not be post* 
poned; the Minister may reply. 

( Interruptions ) 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
He has not understood my question. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. 
Let the Minister reply. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
Ram Nath Goenka is different from 
K. P. Goenka, as far as I can under- 
stand.*.. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : Personally, for me, 
it is very difficult to function because aO 
the time the members here are talking. 
Can you please help in functioning ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I wan) 
to assist you, Sir. 



23 


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Oral Answ$n 


24 


MR. SPEAKER : I do not need your 

assistance. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
With respect to K. P. Goenka group of 
companies . . . {Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : If you do not want 
to hear the reply, I can pass on to the 
next question. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
With respect to K. P. Goenka group of 
companies, I would like to make one 
suggestion for your consideration. I 
wm give the House whatever informa- 
tion I have got. If they want any more 
information, they will have kindly to 
put a separate question specifically. 
Immediately I do not have all the infor- 
mation with me. 

According to the information availa- 
ble with the Department of Company 
Affairs, the CBI have registered cases 
against the following five companies in 
the K. P. Goenka Group for infringe- 
ment of provisions of Import and 
Export (Control) . Act, 1947 : 

(1) Birapara Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri ; 

(2) Carron Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri; 

(3) Killkot Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri; 

(4) Phaskowa Tea Co., Ltd., Jalpaiguri ; 
and (5) Duncan Brothers Ltd., Cal- 
cutta. Apart from the companies men- 
tioned above, the CBI have registered 
com plain ts against several cable 
manufacturing companies including 
Asian .Cable Corporation Ltd., 
Bombay, with which Shri K. P. Goenka 
is associated. The complaints against 
the aforesaid companies have been 
lodged by the Ministry of Foreign 
Trade and Ministry of Industrial 
Development. 

The CBI have completed investigation 
into the affairs of M/s Asian Cable 
Corporation and submitted the report 
to the concerned Ministry. An inspec- 
tion under Section 209(4) was conduc- 
ted in respect of the books and accounts 
of this company but it had to be con- 
fined to the books of 1970-71 as the 
earlier books had been seized by the 
CBI in connection with a complaint 
that was under investigation. The 
CBI has completed the investigation 
and has sent their report to the con- 
cerned Ministry for action. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : So, he 
bad the information. 


SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
I would like to know whether the com- 
pany which was responsible for printing 
certain posters during the elections and 
which matter also was discussed in the 
House . . . C Interruptions ) 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
This is a proper question to ask. There 
is no protection for him . . . (Interrup- 
tions) 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN: There 
may be so many Goenkas . . . ( Inter- 
ruptions) He wants to know specifically 
whether this Goenka is the man who 
printed the wall posters . . . (Interrup- 
tions) 

MR. SPEAKER : I may tell you that 
by making noise, you cannot shut the 
relevancy of the question . . . (Inter* 
ruptions) I know what type of thumping 
it is. I do not want it. What is your 
reply to his question? 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
Let him put the question. 

MR. SPEAKER : Instead of men- 
tioning the poster, why don’t you men- 
tion bis name '? W# q F KW ft 

f<T*TT | I 

SHRI BIRENDRA SINGH RAO : 
R. P. Goenka. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : On a point 
of order. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
On the floor of the House it had been 
amply and forcibly denied that the 
AICC has anything to do with R. P. 
Goenka or K. P. Goenka. . . (Inter- 
ruptions) with respect to the posters 
printed by AICC. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Only one 
minute. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY: 
No, Please. I am not yielding. . . 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Why 
do they want to hide the facts ?. . . 
(Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : Parliament is meant 
for calm, calculated and cool discussion 
and not for shouting against each 
other. If you think that matters can 
be all finished and dealt with by 
shouting and counter-shouting, you are 
very wrong. 



Oral Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 {SAKA) 


Wrltte m Answer* 26 


23 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : We wanted 
to know which is the Ooenka who has 
not paid the money. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : The Minister 
has stated that the AICC had nothing 
to do with the posters. 

MR. SPEAKER : He has said it. He 
has already mentioned it. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Sir, 
please hear me. The hon. Member, 
Shri Unnikrishnan said something. 
(Interruption) I would request my 
hon. friend Mr. Unnikrishnan to hear 
what I am saying, because this concerns 
him. I am talking about him. This 
was discussed on the floor of the House. 
This was accepted. He did accept 
that R. P. Goenka was a guarantor of 
the wall-poster. Now he is denying it. 
The same hon. Member accepted it 
then. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : He never 
said it. 

SHRI PILOO MODY ; He should 
be named. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : Don’t 
shield corrupt fellows. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am really very 
sorry ; I cannot go beyond that. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: 

I have one more question. .. 

MR. SPEAKER : No, I am sorry. 
The Question Hour is over. We are 
not able to go beyond four questions. 
If you go on like this, we won’t be 
able to finish beyond four questions. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: 
You should come to the rescue of the 
minority if the majority obstructs the 
question which is unpalatable to them. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is no use bring- 
ing in the name of majority or minority. 
Both are bound to behave responsibly. 

SHRI K. MANOHARAN : You are 
expected to protect our interests. 

MR. SPEAKER : So long as dis- 
orderly behaviour goes on, either on 
this side or that side, I cannot protect 
anybody ; after all, you too have a 
responsibility ; don’t take shelter under 
the terminology of minority. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I rise on a 
point of order. 


MR. SPEAKER ; No point of order. 
There is no subject under discussion. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : My point of 
order is regarding this particular matter. 
Only four questions nave been taken 
up today. We would always like to 
cooperate with them. We would always 
like to cooperate with the Chair. But 
we have also come to learn that the 
only way open is to sliout; that is 
what they want We are new Mem- 
bers. We have learnt that we have to 
shout too; otherwise there is no way 
out. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is not a respon- 
sible way of doing things. We have to 
run the House. Both sides should 
cooperate with each other. I cannot 
give shelter under any circumstances to 
a gentleman who just obstructs. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: 
You have not allowed my question, Sir. 
We should be protected. You have to 
come to my rescue. I want to put one 
question. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : You have already 
put more than tw 0 questions. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO: 
I have to put one more. 

MR. SPEAKER : No, Please. I am 
sorry. The Question Hour is over. By 
this way, it is your own business that 
will suffer; it is your own Question 
that is not reached. Kindly bear it in 
mind. *#9^ 3TT°R 3TRT W* 

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WRITTEN ANSWER TO 
QUESTIONS 

Agricultural Finance Provided by 
Nationalised Banks 

*265. SHRI, B. V NAIK: Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state: 

(a) the total amount of agricultural 
finance provided by the nationalised 
banks as on 31st July, 1972; 

(b) the maximum loan limit upto 
which an individual can borrow by way 
of agricultural finance; 

(c) whether this limit has been ex- 
ceeded in any case; 

(d) if so, in how many cases; and 



27 Written Answers 


AUOU5T18, 1972 


Written Answers it 


(e) the amount of ipii biggest agri- 
cultural loan advanced w far and to 
whom? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI): 
(a) The latest available figure of the 
amount outstanding in respect of direct 
agricultural advances provided by the 
nationalised banks as at the end of 
March, 1972 was Rs. 150.23 crores. 

(b) No pre-determined limits have 
been laid about the quantum of loan in 
any particular case. The amount must 
be justified by the purpose and require- 
ment. 

(c) and (d). Do not arise in view of 
‘(b)’ above. 

(e) No figures of the highest amount 
sanctioned by any bank to a particular 
party are available. However the State- 
wise information about the number of 
borrowers with outstandings of Rs. 
50,000 and above for the period ending 
December, 1970 is given in the enclosed 
statement. 

The information relating to the ac- 
counts of individual constituents of a 
bank, in accordance with the practices 
and usages customary among bankers 
and also in conformity with the provi- 
sions of the State Bank of India Act, 
1955, State Bank of India (Subsidiary 
Banks) Act, 1950 and the Banking 
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer 
of Undertaking) Act, 1970, cannot be 
divulged. 


Statement 


State/Union 

Territory 

Borrowers with 
outstandings of 
Rs. 50,000 
and above 

No. Amount 
(Rs. in 
lakhs) 

1 

2 

3 

Andhra Pradesh 

261 

150-86 

Assam 

3 

3- 16 

Bihar 

3 

1-78 

Gujarat 

176 

95 80 

Haryana . 

6 

11-51 

Himachal Pradesh 

1 

1-00 

Jammu & Kashmir 

2 

3-00 


1 

2 

3 

Kerala 

257 

193-96 

Madhya Pradesh 

26 

22-01 

Maharashtra 

73 

68-37 

Mysore 

42 

27 63 

Orissa . . 

7 

6-55 

Punjab 

18 

26-29 

Rajasthan ■ 

35 

17-53 

Tamil Nadu 

40 

70-68 

Uttar Pradesh 

69 

71-00 

West Bengal 

12 

11-07 

All Union Territories . 

20 

20-40 

Total 

1051 

802-60 


Commissioning of various Down Stream 
Units of Naphtha Cracker Project of 
Koyali Petre-Chemical Complex 

*266. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: 
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether Government have ap- 
proved six technical collaboration pro- 
posals to speed up the commissioning 
of the various down stream units of the 
naphtha cracker project of the Koyali 
Petrochemical complex; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the 
proposals approved? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) These proposals are 
under consideration of the Govern- 
ment. 

(b) These foreign collaboration pro- 
posals are in respect of provision of 
process know-how, basic engineering, 
supervision of detailed engineering, 
optional procurement services, supervi- 
sion of construction and start-up. 

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Steps to Attract Foreign 
Tourists to India 

*268. SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI: 
SHRI V. MAYA VAN: 

Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether foreign tourist traffic to 
India which suffered a set-back last 
winter due to Bangladesh situation and 
December War is staging recovery; 

(b) if so, to what extent; and 

(c) the steps being taken to attract 
more foreign tourists to India? 

2—10 LSS/72 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). 

Tourist arrivals have increased by 
2,551 or 1.7% during January-June 
1972 as compared to the corresponding 
period of the preceding year. 

(c) A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House ( Placed in Library . Seer 
No. LT— 3422/72). 

Loss Suffered by* Sindri 
Fertilizer Factory 

*269. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH: 

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM- 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether the Sindri Fertilizer Fac- 
tory is incurring a loss of more than 
Rs. one lakh per day; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the steps* Government propose* 
to take to make up the loss so far suf- 
fered and to ensure that no loss is suf- 
fered in future? 


THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) to (c). The Sindri 
Unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of 
India incurred a loss of Rk 347 lakhs 
in 1971-72. The main reasons for this 
loss are — rise in prices of raw mate- 
rials, loss of production due to rapid; 
deterioration of plant and machinery 
and the poor condition of coke-oven 
batteries natural for an aging plant;, 
rise in freight rates; additional electric 
city duty; increased maintenance cost,, 
also due to the age of the plants; and 
higher consitmptjion of raw materials 
like gypsum and coal due to their poor 
quality. 

Whatever measures are possible. Whe- 
ther in the long term or in the short* 
term, are being taken to improve the 
economics of working of this unit The 
more important measures taken in 
this connection are: 

(1) renovation of certain sections 
of plant and machinery, such as coke- 
oven batteries; and 

(2) scheme for the manufacture 
of triple superphosphate which would 
intcr-alia ensure regular supplies of 



31 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 32 


by-product gypsum at practically no 

cost for the existing ammonium sul- 
phate plant. 

This being an old and aging plant, 
the above measures, which are in the 
nature of palliatives, cannot be expect- 
ed to improve the economics of work- 
ing of the unit beyond a certain point. 
Any permanent solution to the pro- 
blems of Sindri would really lie in a 
large-sale expansion and modernisa- 
tion of the plant. For this purpose, a 
modernisation scheme with heavy 
petroleum fractions as the feedstock to 
replace the present coke/ coke-oven gas, 
the supplies and quality of which are 
becoming increasingly uncertain, and 
employing modern technologies is 
under consideration of Government. 

Agreement with Romanian Oil Organisa- 
tion for Importing Axle and Lubricating 
Oils 

*270. SHRI HARI SINGH: Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether an agreement between 
the Government of India and Ruma- 
nian Oil Organisation was signed in 
Bombay on June 14, 1972 to import 
axle and lubricating oil from Rumania; 

(b) if so, by what time the oils will 
reach India; and 

(c) the form in which the payment 
would be made? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) The Indian Oil Cor- 
poration entered into a contract on 15 th 
June, 1972 with M/s. Petrol-Export of 
Rumania for the import of axle oil and 
MVI naphthenic oil. This contract 
was signed in accordance with the 
Long-term Trade Agreement between 
the Government of India and the Gov- 
ernment of Rumania. 

(b) The first shipment is expected to 
arrive in India m the first week of 
September, 1972. The imports are 
scheduled to be completed by the end 
of the current year. 

(c) Payment for these imports will 
be made in terms of Indian rupees. 

Expenditure to be involved in Display of 
Gnat etc. at AIR show in U. K. 

•271. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA: Will 
ihe Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 


to refer to the reply given to Unstarred 
Question No. 7635 on 26th May, 1972 
regarding the display of Gnat at Air 
show in U. K- and state the expenditure 
involved in arranging the display of 
Gnat etc. at Air show in United King- 
dom? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : The 
expenditure on participation of 
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in ihe 
Flying Display and Exhibition at Fam- 
borough is estimated at Rs. 12 lakhs 
including a foreign exchange com- 
ponent of Rs. 4.71 lakhs. 

Withdrawal of Excise Duty on 
Newspapers 

*272. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE bo 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether President of Indian and 
Eastern Newspaper Society has stated 
that the excise duty on newspaper had 
outlived its usefulness with the return 
of the Bangla Desh refugees to their 
homeland; and 

(b) if so. Government’s reaction 
thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The reaction of the Government 
has been indicated in the Statement 
made by the Finance Minister in this 
House on 21-3-1972 according to 
which the excise levy will continue for 
the financial year 1972-73. 

Criteria for issuing invitation Cards to 
M. Ps. on the Occasion of 15th August 
and 26th January 

*273. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF- 
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state: 

(a) the criteria Government have 
adopted for issuing invitation cards to 
the Members of Parliament on the oc- 
casion of 15 th August and 26th Janu- 
ary National functions; 

(b) whether Government have re- 
ceived complaints from the M.Ps. re- 
garding unsatisfactory arrangements 
made by his Ministry for receiving and 
seating them; and 



33 yVrltten Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 34 


(c) if so, Government’s reaction 
thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
{SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) to (c). 
All Members of Parliament (together 
with their spouses, if any) are invited 
to witness the Flag Hoisting Ceremony 
on the 15th August. Due to limited 
seating capacity on the Rampart, 
Leaders of Opposition groups in Parlia- 
ment and a few senior Members are 
provided seats on the Ramparts; the 
remaining Members of Parliament are 
provided seats in ‘M* Enclosure below 
the Rampart. 

On the occasion of the Republic Day 
Parade on the 26th January, the prac- 
tice has been to request all Members of 
Parliament in writing to indicate whe- 
ther or not they will attend the Repub- 
lic Day Parade. Invitation cards for the 
Republic Day Parade are issued to 
such of the Members of Parliament as 
express their willingness to attend the 
function. All Members of Parliament 
who are invited to the Republic Day 
Parade are seated in ‘V-l* Enclosure. 
While seats for the Leaders of the Op- 
position groups in Parliament and a 
few senior Members of Parliament are 
reserved by name, a block of seats in 
that Enclosure is provided for the re- 
maining Members of Parliament. 

No complaints have been received 
from Members of Parliament regarding 
unsatisfactory arrangements made for 
receiving and seating them. 


Progress of Naval Dockyard Project at 
Visakhapatnam 

*274. SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to s ate: 

(a) whether the progress of the 
Naval Dockyard Project at Visakha- 
patnam is. held up due to interruption 
of dredging work; 

(b) whether the foreign contractors 
responsible for di edging have stopped 
their operations and left the site due to 
a contractual dispute; and 

(c) if so, the steps being taken to 
solve the deadlock at an early date? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No, 
Sir. 


(b) and (c). The dredging work had 
been suspended by the Director Gene- 
ral, Naval Project in July 1969 as the 
dredging area could not be made avail- 
able. The contractor was also permitted 
to leave the site. It is planned to resume 
dredging in December, 1972. 

Increasing Facilities for the Saiaik 
School Employees 

*275. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether there is any proposal 
before Government to increase the faci- 
lities for the Sainik School employees, 
including Class IV employees; and 

(b) if so, the salient features of the 
proposals and the action taken 
thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): fa) No, 
Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Opening of Branches of Nationalised 
Banks In Bihar 

*276. KUMARI KAMLA KU- 
MARI: Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have issued 
instructions to Nationalised Banks to 
open Branches in backward Districts of 
Bihar and especially in Chotanagpur 
Region; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN ) : 
(a) and (b). Since nationalisation pub- 
lic sector banks have been giving as 
a matter of policy, special attention to 
the needs of the hitherto underbanked 
States and within a State to poorly 
hanked and backward districts and re- 
gions. Thus over the period end-June 
1969 to March 1972, whereas in the 
country as a whole, the number of offi- 
ces of all commercial banks, including 
the public sector banks, increased by 
5,047 i.e. by 61 per cent, for Bihar the 
corresponding increase was 254 i,e. b\ 
93 per cent. Within Bihar itself, out 
of the 254 new offices, 51 were opened 
in the 5 districts of the Chotanagpur 
region, raising the total number of offi- 
ces functioning in that region to 147 as 
against 527 in the Bihar State as a 
wfaete. As on 31st March, 1972, tfaa 



35 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 36- 


population per office in the Chotanag- 
pur region was 75,000 as against 
1 ,07,000 for the Bihar State as a whole. 

Proposal to set up a Fertilizer 
Plant at Nalagarh in Himachal 
Pradesh 

*277. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH: Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased 
to state 

(a) whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Government 
to set up a fertilizer plant at Nalagarh, 
Himachal Pradesh, in the joint sector; 

(b) whether any assistance has been 
given by Central Government for this 
Project , 

(c) its production capacity; and 

(d) the time by which it will start 
functioning? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) No. Sir. 

(b) to (d). Do not arise. 

Indo-Nepal AIR Pact 

*278. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRA- 
SAD SINGH ; 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 
KAKODKAR : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether India and Nepal have 
signed an Air pact; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines 
thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Con- 

sultations between the delegations of 
the Government of India and His 
Majesty’s Government of Nepal were 
held in New Delhi, from 20th to 25th 
July 1972 and resulted in the adoption 
of an fresh agreement on air services 
by the airlines of Nepal and India. The 
revised agreement provides for the 
operation of services by the Royal 
Nepal Airlines to Varanasi in addition 
to the points in India already being 
served by it, namely, Delhi, Patna and 
Calcutta. Further, the Royal Nepal 


Airlines will also have the opportunity 
to operate some international air ser- 
vices through Calcutta and Delhi. Re- 
ciprocally, provision has been made for 
Indian air services to operate interna- 
tional services through Kathmandu. 


Changes being made by China in her 
Defence Strategy 

*219. SHRI FATEHSINGHRAO 
GAEKWAD : 

SHRI PILOO MODY: 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government’s attention 
has been drawn to press reports to the 
effect that China is making certain 
fundamental changes in her defence 
strategy and is seeking to reinforce its 
arsenal with nuclear tactical weapons 
and also strengthening air arm with 
special fighter bombers; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern- 
ment thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI TAGJ1VAN RAM) - (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) All the reports are assessed and' 
taken into account in planning our de- 
fence preparedness. 


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Loans advanced by SBI to Farmers of 

Rewa Region, Madhya Pradesh 

2581 SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
KEWA: Will the Minister of 

FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount of loans advanced by 
the State Bank of India or other 
Nationalised Banks to fanners of Rewa 


Region in Madhya Pradesh during the 
fast three years; and 

(b) the number of farmers benefit- 
ed? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI, SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) 
and (b). The information is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the Table of 
the House. 


Loans to Scheduled Castes, Scheduled 
Tribes and Adivasis by Nationalised 
Banks in Madhya Pradesh 


2582. SHRI MARTAND SINGH 
OF REWA: Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state: 

(a) the number ot persons belonging 
to the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes and Adivasis who have been ad- 
vanced loans by ihe Nationalised Banks 
during 1971-72 in the State of Madhya 
Pradesh; and 

(b) the maximum amount of loans 
advanced to the small farmers in the 
State? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
( SHRI M ATI SUSHILA ROHATGI): 
(a) Banks do not distinguish between 
scheduled castes and scheduled tribes 
on the one hand and the rest of the 
constituents on the other in the main- 
tenance of statistics ; the information 
asked lor by the Hon’ble Member, is 
therefore, not available. 

(b) The amount of direct finance to 
small farmers in Madhya Pradesh in 
terms of outstandings as on the last 
Friday ot December, 1971, aggregated 
about Rs. 45 lacs. 

Proposal to Construct an Aerodrome at 
Rewa (Madhya Pradesh) 

2583. SHRI MARTAND SINGH 
OF REWA: Will the Minister of 
TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION, 

be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
construct an aerodrome at Rewa 
(Madhya Pradesh); and 

(b) the time by which it is likely to 
be ready for service? 



39 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18. 1972 


Written Answers 48 


THE MINISTER OP TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): 

(a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

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Students who passed from Sainik School 
and Joined National Defence Academy 


2585. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 
Will the MINISTER OF DEFENCE bn 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of students who 
passed from different Sainik Schools In 
India during the last three years and the 



41 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 42 


number of the students who goi admis- 
sion to the National Defence Academy; 


(c) If so, what remedial measures 
have been taken? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJTVAN RAM): (a) A 
statement is enclosed. 

(b) Government are not aware of any 
discontent prevailing in the teaching 


staff. There has been no deterioration 
in the standard of education in these 
schools. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Statement 

LSCIHSC Results 


Year Total Total 

number number 
appeared passed 

Nov.— Dec. 1969 . 485 450 

Nov.— Dec. 1970 . 580 557 

Mar.— Apr. 1972 673 $41 


Results for the 41s/ to 46 th Courses 


NDA Course Date of commence- No. ap- Nc. quali- No. not No. actual* 

ment of the course pearedin fled in admitted lyadmit- 
U.P.S.C. Service for low ted to 
Selection medical N.D.A. 
Board category 


41st . 

January 1969 

616 

379 

21 

106 

42nd . 

. July 1969 

856 

626 

32 

120 

43rd . 

January 1970 

760 

411 

18 

90 

44th 

. July 1970 

981 

596 

2) 

126 

45th . 

January 1971 

618 

404 

25 

84 

46th . 

. July 1971 

511 

230 

14 

56 


Resignation by Employees of Sainik 
Schools dne to Maltreatment 


2586. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 
Will the MINISTER OF DEFENCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware 
that a large number of teachers and 
other employees of different Sainik 
Schools in India were forced to resign 
due to the maltreatment of the Sainik 
School Officials; and 


(b) if so, whether Government pro- 
pose to conduct an enquiry into the 
functioning of the Sainik Schools in 
India? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) No, Sir. 
(b) Does not arise. 


Projects to be taken ap for Development 
of Tourism in, Kerala Daring Fifth Plan 


2587. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 


CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have formu- 
lated any comprehensive scheme for the 
development of tourism during the Fifth 
Five Year Plan : and 




43 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18. 1972 


Written Answers 44 


(b) if so, the names and particulars of 
the main projects to be taken up in 
Kerala as part of the scheme during this 
period and the estimated expenditure 
thereon 7 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN 
SINGH) : (a) and (b). Schemes for the 
Fifth Plan have not yet been finalised. 
However, the integrated development of 
Kovalam as a beach resort of inter- 
national standards will spill over into 
the Fifth Plan. 

riopesnlfl from private entrepreneurs 
for con stru ct i on of modern Hotels 


2588. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 


(a) whether a number of proposals 
from private entrepreneurs for construc- 
tion of modern hotels of international 
sta ndar d are pending consideration with 
Government; 


(b) if so, the number of such propo- 
sals with particulars of the Indian par- 
ties and foreign collaborations received 
during 1971 and this year: and 

(c) how many cases have been finalis- 
ed and when the others are likely to be 
decided ? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) Applications 
'from private parties for the approval of 
hotel projects from the point of view 
of their suitability being received in the 
Department of Tourism As of now. 
such projects approved at the planning 
stage, number 93. The Department is 
in touch with the promoters of 33 
other projects regarding the particulars 
required for approval. 


(b) and (c). Five applications for 
foreign collaboration in hotel projects 
were received in 1971 and 1972, of 
which 2 which satisfied the prescribed 
requirements have been approved. These 
are respectively between Adyar Gate 
Hotel Pvt. Ltd., Madras and Holiday 
Inns Inc., U.S.A., and between Uttar 
Pradesh Hotels and Restaurants Ltd., 
Varanasi and Ramada Inns Inc., U.S A. 
Of the other three, two have not com- 
plied with certain basic requirements, 
and additional information is awaited 
from the third. 


Directive to I.T.D.C. to give due aagn» 
wn t ntinn to persons bri e fing to Sche- 
duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 

2589. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a very few members of 
the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes are working in the Indian Touri- 
sm Development Corporation and if so, 
the total number thereof at present ; 

(b) whether complaints have been re- 
ceived by Government that reservation 
of posts for these communities is not 
made while making recruitment of staff 
in this Corporation and if so, the action 
taken thereon; and 


(c) whether any directive has been 
issued by Government to the India Tou- 
rism Development Corporation to give 
due representation to persons belonging 
to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tri- 
bes while making recruitment of staff in 
future? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) There are 691 
employees belonging to Scheduled Castes 
and 36 employees belonging to Schedul- 
ed Tribes against the total strength of 
3858 employees in the TTDC. 


(b) Yes. Sir. The complaints have 
been examined and with the issue of 
a directive to the Corporation on 8-11- 
1971, the position is expected to im- 
prove. 


(c) Yes, Sir, on 8-11-1971 


Tuition Fee subsidy to the Children of 
Government Employees 

2590. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
THUNWALA : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government employees 
are paid tuition fee subsidy for their 
children studying in Government or 
Government aided schools in Delhi 
from 9th class onwards; 

(b) whether the rate of payment for 
boys is higher than that for girls; and 

(c) if so, the actual rates at which the 
payments are made, the reasons for dis- 
crimination and what steps are being 
taken to ensure that the rate of pay- 
ment is made uniform? 



45 Written Answer* 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAJCA) 


Written Answers 46 


THE MINISTER OP STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). Yt% 


(c) The rates of tuition fees in Gov- 
ernment and Government aided schools 
prescribed by the Delhi Administration 
are as under:— 


Boys’, Schools Girls’ Schools 


First 

Second 

Fust 

Second 

Grade 

Giade 

Giade 

Grade 





Rs. 

Rs. 

Rs. 

Rs. 

IX 

• 

■ • 

8-00 

6-00 

400 

300 

X 

. 

• ft 

9-00 

7 00 

500 

3*50 

XI 


• » 

10-00 

8 -CO 

6 00 

4 -CO 


According to the general scheme of re- 
imbursement of tuition fees, applicable 
to Central Government employees, re- 
imbursement is admissible to the extent 
of the fees prescribed in Government 
schools in the respective States or the 
actual fees paid, whichever is lower. 
The reimbursement is thus subject to 
the limit of the actual payment made in 
each case. The question of any discri- 
mination does not. therefore, arise. 

Observation made by Custodian of Cen- 
tral Bank regarding Inflation 

2591. SHRI E. V. VJKHE PAT1L : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of Government 
has been drawn to the statement of Cus- 
todian of Central Bank appeared in 
’‘Statesman” on 24th July, 1972 in re- 
gard to inflationary trends in the coun- 
try because of the policy of deficit 
financing; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto? 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTR AO CHAV AN) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Government is fully alive to 
the fact that a certain pressure on prices 
has also emanated from the budgetary 
operations and as such attaches highest 
importance to fiscal and monetary disci- 
pline and to measures designed to acce- 


lerate production and strengthen and 
widen the system of public distribution. 

Representation for Grant of Paialfe 
Pensions from Widows of Ex-Serrice- 


u. K. PANDA: Wid 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to refer to the reply Riven to Unstarred 
Question No. 3592 in the Lot Sabha on 
21st April, 1972 and state: 

(a) the number of representations for 
grant of Family Pensions received direct 
and through M Ps. from the widows of 

C i'«« icemen * °^ er th&n Commission- 
ed Officers who retired on service pen- 
sions before 1st January, 1964 and died 
after attaining the age of 60 years or 
after 5 years from the date of retirement 
and in whose cases the Family Pension 
Scheme introduced in 1964 is not gene- 
rally applicable; 

(b) the number with full particulars 
of cases out of those referred to in part 
(a) above in which Family Pensions 
have since been sanctioned under the 
Family Pension Scheme introduced in 
1964; and 


(c) the number with full particulars 
of the cases in which Family Pensions 
have not so far been sanctioned and 
time by when the Family Pension will 
be sanctioned in each case? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
The time and labour involved in collect- 
ing the information will not be com- 
mensurate with the results likely to be 
achieved. 



47 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 48 


Under the Family Pension Scheme in- 
troduced in 1964, widows of all deceas- 
ed Armed Forces personnel who were 
in service on 1-1-1964 or who join ser- 
vice thereafter, are eligible for ordinary 
family pension for life, irrespective of 
the age at which such personnel die. 
This Scheme, however, is not applicable 
in the case of those ex-Servicemen who 
had retired before 1-1-1964. 

Joint Stock and Private Limited Com- 
panies 

2593. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of joint stock 
and private Limited Companies func- 
tioning in the States of Assam, Megha- 
laya, Manipur, Tripura and Union Terri- 
tories of Mizoram and Arunachal at the 
end of the year 1971-72, separately; and 

Ob) the places of their Registered 
Head Offices? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : (a) and (b). The informa- 

tion is being collected and it will be laid 
on the Table of the House. 

Remand for nationalisation of AOC in 
Assam 

2594. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a demand made 
by the various public and labour orga- 
nisations to nationalise the A.O.C. in 
Assam; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto? 


THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE, AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) Government has not 
received any such specific demand in 
the recent past. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Persons of Assam Rifles and Assam Re- 
giment killed and taken prisoners during 
the last Tndo-Pak Conflict 

2595, SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 


to state the total number of persons of 
the Assam Rifles and Assam Regiment 
killed, taken prisoners or missing in the 
last Indo-Pak conflict? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE. 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM : The infor- 
mation is as below : 


Number of persons 

Regiment 

Killed Taken Missing 
PsOW 


Assam Regt. 56 133 18 

Assam Rifles NIL NIL NIL 


Number of S.C. & S.T. Employees In 
O.N.G.C- 

2596. SHRI A. S. KASTURE : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state: 

(a) the staff strength, category-wise, 
in Oil and Natural Gas Commission as 
on 1st January, 1972 and the number of 
employees belonging to Scheduled 
Castes and Scheduled Tribes; 

(b) whether the reserved quota for 
candidates of Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes has been maintained 
and if not, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the specific steps Government pro- 
pose to fulfil the shortfall? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE, AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) * (a) The position of staff 
strength category wise in the ON.G.C. 
as on 1-1-72 and the number of em- 
ployees belonging to Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes is given below : — 


Category 

Tctal 
strength 
as on 
1-1-72 

No. < f No .oj 
Sell. Sch. 

Castes Tribes 

Class 1 

1537 

26 

4 

Class II 

1349 

18 

1 

Class III 

13577 

598 

92 

Class IV 

5055 

863 

147 



49 Written Answers SRAVANA 27, 

(b) Reservation of vacancies for 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 
candidates is made, and the reserved 
vacancies which cannot be filled in by 
such candidates are carried forward, in 
accordance with the instructions issued 
by the Government of Indfk. 

However, in many cases it has not 
been possible to fill in the reserved 
vacancies as candidates belonging to 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 
and fulfilling the prescribed minimum 
educational qualifications and experi- 
ence were not available. 

(c) ONGC have themselves taken cer- 
tain steps in this regard. It has been 
decided that whereas the minimum edu- 
cational qualifications and experience 
prescribed for the posts, should be in- 
sisted upon, the Scheduled Castes/ 
Tribes candidates appearing for inter- 
views for selection for reserved posts 
should be judged by a relaxed standard. 

Tt has further been decided that if a 
Scheduled Caste/Tribe candidate for a 
Class Til or higher post does not come 
■p to the mark in the interview, even 
when judged by the relaxed standard, 
but the Selection Board feels that he 
may come up to the relaxed standard if 
he is put through a short period of 
coaching or job training, the Selection 
Board may recommend that the con- 
cerned candidate be given coaching/ 
job training for a period of 2 — 3 months 
or less, during which period the candi- 
date would be paid a stipend of Rs. 
150/- per month. At the end of such 
coaching /job training, the candidate is 
to re-appear before the Selection Board 
and if he comes up to the relaxed stand- 
ard, he is selected for appointment. 

Messing and other charges Recoverable 
from Commissioned Officers 

2597. DR. H. P. SHARMA : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether messing and other 
charges recoverable from Commission- 
ed Officers posted at peace stations usu- 
ally exceed their pay and they generally 
remain under debt while non-commis- 
sioned Officers are exempted from mess- 
ing charges and their pay remain^ un- 
disturbed; 

(b) if so, whether the matter has been 
referred to the Third Pay Commission 
or to any other Committee and if so, in 
what precise terms; and 


1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 5& 

(c) whether Government arc other- 
wise considering the question of ex- 
empting Commissioned Officers from 
messing charges as is done while they 
are posted in field stations? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): fa) The 
messing expenses and other charges re- 
coverable from Commissioned Officers 
posted in peace stations do not exceed 
their pay. Non-commissioned Officers 
receive free food, accommodation, 
water and electricity. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) Yes, Sir. This is under examina- 
tion. 


Procedure for Appointment of Com- 
missioned Officers from Short Service 

and Emergency Commission Cadres 

2598. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the procedure for taking perma- 
nent Commissioned Officers from Short 
Service Commission and Emergency 
Commission cadres over to Permanent 
Commission; and 

(b) whether the procedure has lately 
been changed and if so, the salient fea- 
tures of the new procedure ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Emer- 

gency Commissioned Officers and Short 
Service Commissioned Officers satisfy- 
ing the eligibility criteria regarding con- 
duct and integrity, medical category, and 
age for grant of Permanent Commis- 
sion were assessed through interviews 
at Services Selection Board. Those who 
were successful at the interviews and 
otherwise suitable were granted Perma- 
nent Commission. 

(b) Yes Sir; only in respect of SSCOs. 
Under this changed procedure the suit- 
ability of Short Service Commissioned 
Officers for Permanent Commission is 
now to be assessed on the basis of their 
annual Confidential Reports, perform- 
ance at various training courses and 
the awards and decorations earned. In- 
terview by the Services Selection Board 
has been dispensed with. 



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AUGUST 18. 1972 


Written Answers 52 


Mem charges recoverd from newly ap- 
pointed Commissioned Officers of Mad- 
ras Engineering Groups 

2599. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the average messing charges re- 
covered from newly appointed commis- 
sioned officers below the rank of Cap- 
tain, belonging to Madras Engineering 
Group during the past six months; and 

(b) how these charges compare with 
their average basic pay 9 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI TAGJIVAN RAM): (a) and (b) 
The information is being collected and 
Will be laid on the table of the House. 

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Prices of Foodgrains and Essential Com- 
modities 

2602. SHR1 N1HAR LASKAR : 

DR. RANEN SEN : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a study of prices during 
the past two months has shown that 
prices of foodgrains and other essential 
commodities have soared in the country 
and particularly in the capital; 

(b) if so, the prices of essential com- 
modities during the year ending 31st 
July, J972 as compared to the prices 
during the preceding two years and the 
percentage of increase and the reasons 
therefor; and 

( c ) the steps being taken by Govern- 
ment to bring down the prices? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHR1 YASHWANTRAO CHAV AN) 

(a) During the last two months the 
prices of food articles and some agricul- 
ture-based industrial raw materials have 
recorded comparatively larger increases 
than usually take place around this time 
of the year. This applied to Delhi as 
well as to the country as a whole. 

(b) A statement showing the whole- 
sale price indices of essential commodi- 
ties (including foodgrains) for the week 
ended 29th July, 1972, and the order of 
variation as compared to the preceding 
two years, is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library. See No. 
LT— 3423/72.] 

Shortfalls in the indigenous output of 
some agricultural commodities have 
largely contributed to the price rise dur- 
ing the last two years. For example, oil- 
seeds productions both in 1968-69 and 


1969- 70 was lower than in 1967-68. In 

1970- 71 there was a severe setback to 
the cotton crop, while in 1971-72 coarse- 
grains and sugar have suffered signifi- 
cant declines in output. Apart from the 
shortages of these commodities, there 
was a heavy influx of refugees from 
Bangla Desh, and another confronta- 
tion with Pakistan, resulting in heavy 
Government expenditure. The increase 
in industrial output has also not pro- 
ceeded according to the target set in the 
Fourth Plan. The late arrival of the 
monsoon this year, and the subsequent 
prolonged dry spell, have accentuated 
the seasonal pressure on the prices of 
food articles and agriculture-based raw 
materials. 

(c) A regular vigil is kept on the price, 
situation in the country. In addition 
to various programmes for increasing 
agricultural and industrial output, the 
Government takes fiscal, monetary and 
administrative measures to contain price 
pressures. To meet the situation arising 
out of the erratic behaviour of the mon- 
soon, the Government has initiated, 
emergency programmes for saving the. 
current kharif crop to the maximum ex- 
tent possible, and for making up the ex- 
pected shortfall through greater rabi 
output. State Governments have been 
asked to open as many fair price shops 
as necessary They have also been ad-’ 
vised to take stringent action under the 
Essential Commodities Act. Extension 
of the coverage of the public distribution 
system to commodities other than food- 
grains and sugar is currently under con- 
sideration. 


Raids by Income-tax Authorities in DelM 

2603. SHRI K. SURYANARA- 
YANA ; 

SHRI PHOOL CHAND 
VERMA : 


Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarred Question No. 844 on 4th Au- 
gust, 1972 regarding raids by Income- 
tax Authorities in Delhi and state the 
names of architects and building engi- 
neers whose premises were raided on the 
11th July, 19727 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRT K. R. GANESH) : Searches 



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were carried out at the business srad 
residential premises of the following 10 
architects : 

1. M/s. R. G. Desai. 

2. M/s. Desai & Tikekar. 

3. M/s. Mahindru & Mahindru and 
T. R. Mahindru. 

4. Anant Singh 

5. M/s. G. C. Sharma & Sons and 
Shri G. C. Sharma. 

"6. Shri G. C. Sharma. 

7. M/s. S. C. Mehta & Associates, 
Shri R. C. Mehta and Shri M. C. 
Mehta. 

8. H. R. Sehgal. 

9. M/s. Mehta Gandhi & Associates. 

10. Master Sethe & Kothari. 

Survey operations u/s 133A were also 
carried out at the office premises of the 
Allowing 5 architects. 

k Anand Aptay & Jhabewala. 

2. D. R. Prashar. 

3. Ch. Giljar Singh & Co. 

4. M/s. Bhargava & Associates. 

3. Chadha & Associates. 


Chit Fund Companies 

2604. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA 
RIFF : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
he pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of Chit Fund 
Companies are operating in several 
States in the country, while some of 
them are genuine and some arc not, 

(b; whether such form of private 
lottery is continuing even though it is 
illegal under the Indian Penal Code and 
the State Lotteiy Act; and 

(c) if so, whether Government have 
received complaints regarding the mis- 
chief played by some companies in this 
regard and if so, with what result? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) to <c). 

there are number of Chit Fund Compa- 
nies operating in several States of the 
coualry rbe more common form of 
chit fund involves regular periodical 
subscriptions by a group of persons and 
•airangements under which each member 
of the fund can expect to get the chit 


amount either by drawal of lota or by 
auckon or by tender or in any oither 
manner as may be provided in the agree- 
ment with the foreman who runs 
the chit. The running of a prize 
chit under which the member who suc- 
ceeds in the draw get a prize and does 
not have to pay the future periodical 
subscription amounts to the commission 
of an offence of running a lottery, under 
Section 294A of the Indian Penal Cade 
falling within the jurisdiction of the con- 
cerned State Government. Where as 
case of this kind comes to the notice of 
the Reserve Bank, attention of the State 
Government is drawn to the matter. 


Promotion of Joint Ventures by World 
Bank 

2605. SHRI P. K. DEO: Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased te 
state : 

(a) whether the World Bank propose 
to promote joint ventures between de- 
veloping and advanced countries; and 

(b) the extent to which India is likely 
to be benefited thereby? 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 


(a) The International Finance Corpo- 
ration, an affiliate of the World Bank, 
has promoted such ventures in the past 
and will continue to do so as suitable op- 
portunities present themselves. There is 
no proposal for the World Bank itself to 
take up this activity. 


(b) The International Finance Corpo- 
ration has provided financial assistance 
for a few joint ventures in the private 
sector in India in important fields such 
as fertilizers. It has also assisted esta- 
blishment of joint ventures with Indian 
sponsors in other developing countries. 


Drilling in North-West Directions of 
Kutch Border 

2606. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL: 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether besides 'the location called 
Bauni-II in the North-West directions of 
Kutch border. Oil and Natural Gas 
Commission has released two more loca- 
tions in the District for exploratory dril- 
ling; 



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Written Answers 58 


(b) if so, What are the locations; and 

(e) how far drilling in Kutch has 
proved successful? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) (i) Nirona-1, 

(ii) Banni-1. 

(c) The drilling at the first location 
(Banni-2) was started only on June, 18, 
1972. The well is projected to be dril- 
led to a depth of 3000 metres, and it is 
teo early to make any forecast on the 
success of this drilling. 

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Shortage of Small Coin* 

2612. SHR1 K. S. CHAVDA : Wil! 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
State : 

(a) whether shortage of small coins 
in the country has been due to import 
of defective mint machinery and techni- 
cal knowhow; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government pro- 
pose to take in this regard? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K R. GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Protest by State Governments 
for Locating Oil Refinery 
At Mathura 

2613. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some State Governments 
have adversely reacted to the decision 
regarding location of oil refinery at 
Mathura; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Central 
Government in this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRT H. R. 
GOKHALE): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Training FacUMea to Nepali flffcnte 
under PL-480 Programme 

2614. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH ; 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Central Government have 
decided to give training facilities to all! 
the 130 Nepali students selected under 
the United States PL-480 programme; 
and 

(b) whether the 130 students will ha 
over and above the normal number of 
Nepali students who receive education 
under the Colombo Plan? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 
(a) The Government of India have de- 
cided to make available during the year 
1972-73 training facilities under the* 
Colombo Plan to about 130 Nepali 
trainees, who were formerly to come to 
India for training under the USAID* 
Third Country Programme. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 


Loans Advanced by Nationalised 
Banka and LIC to Fanners 

2615. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE ba 
pleased to state : 

(a) how much loan has been advanc- 
ed to farmers in the country by the 
Nationalised Banks and Life Insurance 
Corporation for the construction of 
tube-wells and other agricultural promo- 
tional activities during the last three 
years; and 

(b) the progress made so far in simple 
fying the procedural formalities to en- 
sure that inconvenience is not caused to 
farmers in getting the loan sanctioned 
by the Nationalised Banks? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) 

Figures of amounts outstanding for 
direct advances to farmers by the 
nationalised banks for the period ending 
March, 1970, March, 1971 and March, 
1972 are Rs. 80.44 crores, Rs. 127.64 
crores and Rs. 150.23 crores respective- 
ly. Life Insurance Corporation does not 
make direct agricultural advances to. 
the farmers. 



61 Written Answers SRAVANA 27 

(b) Since nationalisation, banks have 
taken various steps to rationalise their 
lending procedures, such as simplifica- 
tion of forms, printing of forms in 
Hindi and regional languages, assistance 
to farmers in filling up the forms, dele- 
gation of appropriate loan sanctioning 
powers to the branch managers, periodic 
review of pending cases etc. Govern- 
ment have also been urging the State 
Governments to bring forward legisla- 
tion as advised by the Expert Group on 
State Enactments having a bearing on 
commercial banks’ lending to agriculture 
for smoother flow of credit to agricul- 
ture. 


Committee for Improvement in Effici- 
ency of Public Undertakings 

2616. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether the Committee headed 
by a Member of the Planning Commis- 
sion to find out the factors inhibiting the 
efficiency in the public sector under- 
takings has inter alia suggested that the 
public sector undertakings must be 
headed by technical experts; and 

(b) the other suggestions made by the 
Committee and those accepted by Gov- 
ernment for implementation? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 
The Action Committee on Public Enter- 
prises has not made any general recom- 
mendation that public sector enterprises 
must be headed by technical experts. 

(b) The recommendations of the Com- 
mittee in their reports on the six plants 
so far accepted by Government in- 
clude: — 

(i) strengthening of management 
and technical services; 

(ii) changes in organisational struc- 
ture and manning at corporate 
and plant levels; 

(iii) Improvement in industrial rela- 
tions, personnel management, 
motivation, etc. 

(iv) Improvement of maintenance, 
materials management, produc- 
tion Planning and control; 

(v) provision of certain balancing 
facilities; 

(vi) Changes in material inputs in cer- 
tain processes; 

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1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 

(vii) Greater integration between Cor- 
porations, engaged in similar acti- 
vities; and 

(viii) A time-bound action plan for im- 
plementation of these recommen- 
dations. 

Policy for Recruitment or Top 
Management Personnel Id 
P ublic Undertakings 

2617. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the present policy for re- 
cruitment of top management person- 
nel in the public sector undertakings has 
been found unsatisfactory; 

(b) if so, whether Government pro- 
pose to lay down new policy in this re- 
gard; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) to (c) 
It will not be correct to say that the pre- 
sent policy for recruitment of top 
management personnel as such in public 
enterprises has been found unsatisfac- 
tory. However, Government are consi- 
dering certain fresh proposals dealing 
with managerial personnel policy itself 
in public enterprises. The proposals re- 
late apart from recruitment to various 
aspects like Management organisation. 
Managerial incentives. Management De- 
velopment Plans, and embrace the es- 
sential ingredients like in-take point, 
provision of proper training courses, job 
rotation, career planning, managerial 
succession plans, etc. It is expected that 
when Government’s final decision on 
these proposals are implemented, a more 
sound managerial personnel policy will 
emerge, which will inter alia further ra- 
tionalise the manning of top posts in 
these undertakings. 

Absorption of Officers of Public Sector 
Undertakings being reverted to their 
parent offices 

2618. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether some of the senior offi- 
cers of the public sector undertakings 



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wcw asked to return to their parent of- 
fices recently; 

(b) whether their parent offices refus- 
ed to take them back; and 

(c) whether these officers were ulti- 
mately posted in Planning Commission 
resulting in over-staffing in the Commis- 
sion? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): (a) Presuma- 
bly, the Hon’ble Member is referring to 
the orders issued by Government pur- 
suant to the recommendations made by 
the Administrative Reforms Commis- 
sion in their Report on “Public Sector 
Undertakings”. These orders require 
deputationists from Government Cadres 
to the Central Government industrial 
and commercial undertakings to exer- 
cise an option within specified time 
limits either to be permanently absorb- 
ed in the enterprises where they are ser- 
ving or to revert to their parent Cadres. 
According to these orders, all deputa- 
tionists, other than those who have opt- 
ed for permanent absorption in the en- 
terprise and whose option has been ac- 
cepted by the enterprise, have to revert 
to their parent Government Cadres. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) No, sir. 

Control over Industries in Public Sector 

2619. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are consider- 
ing the question as to which Ministry 
at the centre should have a control over 
public sector industry and if so, the de- 
cision in the matter; and 

(b) whether this question has also 
been examined by the Task Force and 
if so, the final decision taken thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH): (a) The Central Gov- 
ernment Public Undertakings are plac- 
ed under the administrative control of 
the various Central Government Minis- 
tries dealing with the particular subject, 

g. y Ministry of Steel & Mines deals 


with Steel Plants and mining enterpri- 
ses, Ministry of Petroleum & Chemical* 
deals with oil refineries and Fertilizer 
Plants, etc. Changes in the allocation 
of such administrative control over the 
enterprises are reviewed by Govern- 
ment from time to time. However, at 
present there is no proposal under con- 
sideration to centralise control over all 
the public sector industry in one Mini- 
stry. 

(b) Presumably the Hon’ble Members 
are referring to the Action Committee 
on Public Enterprises headed by Mem- 
ber, Planning Commission. This Com- 
mittee has had no occasion to examine 
the matter. 


Profits Earned by Public Sector Under- 
takings 

2620. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state the names of the public sec- 
tor units which have shown profit ilur- 
ing the year 1970-71 and the amount 
of profit earned by each during the 
year? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : A statement showing 
the enterprises which made a profit du- 
ring 1970-71 and the amount of profits 
earned by each is laid on the Table of 
the House. [Placed in Library . See No. 
LT-3424/72.] 


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fmVk nobscriptioa of Tate boa art 
Steel Company 

2623, SflW V. MAYAVAN : WU1 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 


la) whether the Tata Iron and Steel 
Company Limited has been allowed to 
raise public subscription ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the total amount of subscription 
allowed to be raised? 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN): 

(a) to (c). The company was granted a 
consent on 31st May, 1972 for a deben- 
ture issue of Rs. 15 crores to be made 
for cash at par to the general public 
through issue of a prospectus. The pro- 
ceeds of the debenture issue were to be 
utilised for financing a part of the re- 
placement and modernisation program- 
me to be undertaken by the company. 


(b) if to, the reasons for increased 
number of incidents; and 

(c) the steps taken to check the re- 
currence of this? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
Yes, Sit. There is, however, no indica- 
tion of any increase in the aircraft acci- 
dent rate. Each accident is investigated 
by a Court of Inquiry. Appropriation 
action and remedial measures are being 
taken on the basis of the findings and re- 
commendations of the Court of In- 
quiry. 

Gujarat State Fertiliser Corporation 

2626. SHRI MADHURYYA HAL- 
DAR: Will the Minister of COMPANY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Gujarat Government have 
secured absolute majority in equity of 
Gujarat State Fertilisers Corporation; 
and 


Setting up of a Fertiliser Factory at Sala- 
dipura (Rajasthani) 

2624. SHRI LALJI BHAI : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have sanc- 
tioned the setting up of a Fertilizer Fac- 
tory at Saladipura (Rajasthan) to pro- 
duce fertilizer based on Pyrites and 
Rock Phosphates; and 

(b) if so, when it will start production 
and what will be its capacity? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) (a) The setting up of a 
fertilizer factory in Rajasthan based on 
Pyrites and Rock Phosphate deposits in 
the state has not yet been sanctioned 
since such a proposal is still under stu- 
dy. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Accidents of Air Force Planes 

2625. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP- 
PAN • Will the Minister of DEFENCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of Air Force 
Planes met with accidents during the 
first half of this year, and the crew kill 
ed, while on training flights; 


(b) what percentage of stock of Guja- 
rat State Fertilisers Corporation is held 
by public sector financial institutions? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAOHUNATHA 
REDDY): (a) M/s. Gujarat State Ferti- 
liser Company Limited was a Govern- 
ment company till 1966-67. It ceased 
to be a Government company from 
1967-613 as the State Government’s sha- 
reholding was reduced to 49%. The 
State Government has taken a decision 
to convert the Company into a Public 
Sector Company by raising its holding 
upto 51% of the share capital of the 
company. 

(b) Life Insurance Corporation of In- 
dia, Unit Trust of India, Industrial De- 
velopment Bank of India and Indian 
Guarantee and General Insurance Com- 
pany Limited hold 23.28% Equity Sha- 
res and 35,52% Preference share of M/s 
Gujarat State Fertiliser Company Limi- 
ted. 


Pilot Project for Construction of 
Aerodromes in Madhya Pradesh 

2627. SHRI RANABAHADUR 
SINGH: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION bo 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have sanc- 
tioned some pilot projects for the con- 
struction of aerodromes in Madhya Pra- 
desh; and 



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(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof? 

THE MINISTER ($F TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) No, Sir. There 
are already 9 aerodromes in Madhya 
Pradesh : at Bhopal, Bjjaspur, Indore. 
Jabalpur, Khandwa, Kbajuraho, Panna, 
Raipur and Satna controlled by the Di- 
rector General of Civil Aviation. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Discrimination Re : N.C.C. Training 
in the Engineering College located at 
Vidisha and Rewa 

2628. SHRI RANABAHADUR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFEN- 
CE be pleased to state : 

(a) whther some discrimination has 
been noticed with regard to N.C.C. 
Training m the Engineering Colleges 
located at Vidisha and Rewa, both of 
which have equal number of trainees ; 

(b) whether the Regiment of the Col- 
lege located at Vidisha was also disband- 
ed, as no independent Company was 
provided to this College; and 

(c) if so, the brief facts of the case? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) to (c). 
There is no discrimination in the mat- 
ter of NCC training and the training sy- 
llabus laid down for various types of 
units is uniform throughout the coun- 
try. However, actual composition and 
structure of units vary from one loca- 
tion to another and this is dependent up- 
on the number of eligible students who 
volunteer for enrolment and the finan- 
cial and administrative cover which the 
institutions and the State Government 
are in a position to provide. 

The Composite Technical Regiment, 
a two company unit, located at Samrat 
Ashok Technological Institute, Vidisha 
(No. 2 Madhya Pradesh Composite Te- 
chnical Regiment NCC) had to be dis- 
banded in 1969 as sufficient number of 
cadets did not enrol and the State Gov- 
ernment did not consider it necessary 
to allow the unit to function separately. 
With a view to ensuring the NCC train- 
ing facilities are not completely with- 
drawn, this unit has been amalgamated 
with 1 Madhya Pradesh Composite 
(Tech) Regiment NCC Bhopal in Au- 
gust 1969 on the recommendation of 
the Government of Madhya Pradesh. 
The institution has been able to provide 


82 cadets only in 1971-72 and the in- 
take at the institution is not sufficient 
to maintain an independent company of 
200 cadets. Similar arrangements exist 
at other places also. 

The Technical Unit located at the 
Government Engineering College, Rewa, 
is 7 Madhya Pradesh Engineering Com- 
pany NCC. Upto 1970-71 it has been 
able to provide at least 50% of its au- 
thorised strength of 200 cadets and as 
such it has been allowed to continue as 
an independent Company. In 1971-72, 
however, the cadet strength was slightly 
less than 50% and the continuance of 
this unit as an independent Company 
will depend upon the institution provi- 
ding at least 50% of the authorised 
strength in 1972-73. 

Memorandum submitted to President by 
Government Employees National Forum 

2629. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: 

DR. KARNI SINGH: 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether a deputation of Govern- 
ment Employees National Forum, Delhi 
has submitted a Memorandum to the 
President; and 

(b) if so, their demands and the re- 
action of Government thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The demands of the Forum relate 
to the submission of the Report of the 
Third Pay Commission by 1 5th August, 
1972 and also for the announcement or 
adequate Interim relief immediately in 
view of the abnormal rise in prices. The 
position regarding the progress of wark 
of the Pay Commission and about the 
question of further Interim Relief to 
Central Government employees was in- 
dicated to the House only recently on 
4th August, 72 in reply to Unstarred 
Questions No. 936 and 998. 

Criteria for disbursement of loan to 
Companies by LIC 

2630. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH 
RAO : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) the criteria adopted by Life Insu- 
rance Corporation of India for disburs- 
ing loans to various companies and 
Government undertakings; 



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(W Aether- 75 percent of the loans 
disbursed by L.I.C. have gone to the 
companies belonging to the Monopoly 
Houses in the country; and 

(c) the names of such companies to 
whom the loans were advanced by 
L.I.C. during the last three years and 
the rate at which the loans were advan- 
ced? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) The 

LIC gives term loans to Industrial con- 
cerns generally in consortium with other 
public financial institutions for projects 
to which industrial licences have been 
issued, provided the projects are finan- 
cially sound and commercially viable, 
the management is satisfactory and the 
investment profitable. 

(b) Total amount of term loans dis- 
bursed by the LIC upto 31st March, 
1972 to all Public Limited Companies 
was Rs. 26.27 crores, out of which loans 
disbursed to companies belonging to the 
monopoly houses were Rs. 16.64 crores 
constituting 63.35 per cent of the total. 

(c) Loans were given to the following 
companies during the last three financial 
years: — 

(i) Associated Cement Cos. Ltd. 

<la> Hindustan Sugar Mills Ltd. 

(lif) Shree Digvijay Cement Co. 
Ltd. 

(iv) Century Enka Ltd. 

(v) Indian Explosives Ltd. 

(vi) Swadeshi Poiytex Ltd. 

(vii) Straw Products Ltd. 

<vm) Polyolefins Industries Ltd. 

(ix) Madras Aluminium Corporation 
Ltd. 

(x) Plastic Resins & Chemicals Ltd. 

(xi) Tata Yodagawa Ltd. 


The rate of interest till November, 
1970 was 9% per annum and thereafter 
k has been 9J% per annum, with a re- 
bate of 1% for prompt payment of in- 
terest and repayment of instalments on 
the due dates. 


Utilisation of services of Retired Per- 
sonnel of the Armed Forces in the age- 
group of forty and fifty yean 

2631. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of retired Officers and 
Other Ranks of the Armed Forces in 
the age-group of forty and fifty years; 

(b) the number of these Officers who 
are gainfully employed; and 

(c) the steps Government are contem- 
plating to make use of this un-employ- 
trained and disciplined man-power for 
nation building activities? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) The 
number of retired /retiring officers and 
other ranks in the age group of 40 to 
50 years during the last three years is 
given below: — 


Year 

Officers 

JCOs/ORs 

1970 . 

328 

4091 

1971 . 

311 

6779 

1972 . 

288 

7473 


(b) 196 officers have been gainfully 
employed during the years 1970-71 and 
1971-72. In addition to this, 839 officers 
have been provided assistance for their 
resettlement on land, in transport busi- 
ness and Indian Oil Corporation agen- 
cies. 

(c) (i) Pre and post release training 
schemes in Industrial Training Institu- 
tions and OTHER training schemes like 
Horticulture, Bee Keeping, Poultry far- 
ming and Diarying have been evolved 
to make service and ex-servicemen more 
eligible for employment in nation build- 
ing activities as well as for self-employ- 
ment. 

(ii) Managerial training has been or- 
ganised to improve the employability of 
officers for absorption m public and 
private sectors. 

(iii) Ex-servicemen and officers are 
being encouraged and provided guid j 
ance, technical know-how and assistance 
in the field of small scale industries 



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which play an important part in the 
economic development off the country. 

(iv) In accordance with the reserva- 
tions allowed for them, they are utilised 
in Government as well as public sector 
jobs on re-employment 

Agreement signed by All India Life In 
mnanee Employees Association regard 
tng Bonos 

2632. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state: 

(a) whether an agreement was signed 
on 26th June, 1972 by the All India 
Life Insurance Employees Association 
on behalf of the Class HI and Class IV 
employees with the management for 10 
percent bonus; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN): 

(a) and (b). On 20th June, 1970 theLIC 
had entered into agreements with Class 
III and IV employees on pay, allowan- 
ces bonus etc The agreement dated 
26th June, 1972, which is in modifica- 
tion of the earlier agreements, provides 
for: — 

(i) Payment of bonus, with effect 
from 1st January, 1971. at the 
rate of 10% of basic pay, spe- 
cial pay and dearness allow- 
ance. 

(ii) Leave travel concession with 
effect from 1st April, 1972. 

(iii) Improvement in the existing 
medical benefit scheme with ef- 
fect from 1st April, 1972. 

(iv) In addition to the existing re- 
tirement benefits, payment of 
Rs. 2500/- to each Class III 
employee and Rs. 2000/- to 
each Class IV employee with 
effect from 1st January, 1972. 

(v) Holidays for Class IV building 
maintenance staff as are admis- 
sible to other employees with 
effect from 1-1-72, 

The agreements will remain in opera- 
tion till 31st March, 1973. 

Steps to Develop Tourist Spots in Rajas- 
than 

2633. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 
Win the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Rajasthan is becoming 
very popular from the tourists’ point of 
view; 


(b) whether there are some places , in 
Rajasthan which are very attractive for 
the tourists but are not developed pro- 
perly; and 

(c) what steps have been taken to de- 
velop the tourist spots in the State? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Gov- 
ernment are fully aware of the tourist 
attractions in Rajasthan. The improve- 
ment of ffie tourism infrastructure is a 
continuous process. 

(c) A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House. [Placed in Library. See 
No. LT— 4325/72] 

Number of Defence Construction Con- 
tractors and Contracts given out during 
1970-71 and 1971-72 

2634 SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the total number of defence con- 
struction contractors in the country; 

(b) the total value of defence con- 
tracts given out during the years 1970- 
71 and 1971-72; and 

(c) what was the upset and contrac- 
tual prices of these contracts respective- 
ly in 1970-71 and 1971-72? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
The information is being collected and 
will be laid on the table of the House 

Progress regarding Passengers attracted 
by Air India since March, 1971 wider 
Foreign Travel Scheme 

2636. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF- 
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of 
TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether any incentive was offered 
under the foreign travel scheme in 
March, 1971 by Air India to attract 
more passengers to travel out of India; 
and 

(b) if so, the progress regarding the 
passengers attracted by Air India since 
March, 1971? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) Under the Fo- 
reign Travel Scheme, residents in India, 



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who Save att travelled abroad in three 
years, can do so once wttfectot 4 F form 
formalities. They are free to use any 
airline of their choice, those who tra- 
vel by Air India under the Foerign Tra- 
vel Scheme can obtain a release of fo- 
reign exchange equivalent to US S 100. 

(b) Air India has carried about 51. 
03% of the traffic out of India, booked 
under the Foreign Travel Scheme bet- 
ween March, 1971 and May, 1972. 


Imposition of Tax on Agriculture 

2637. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF- 
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be please to state: 

(a) whether he has sought the coope- 
ration of the Chief Ministers to show 
‘Political Courage’ in bringing agricul- 
ture under tax; and 

(b) if so, the help extended by the 
States in this regard? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). At the 
Conference of Governors /Chief Minis- 
ters of States held on the 12th October, 
1971, it was decided that all problems 
relating to taxation of agricultural weal- 
th and income should be gone into by 
an expert Committee. Accordingly the 
Central Government have constituted a 
Committee headed by Dr. K. N. Raj to 
study the matter from all aspects and 
make its recommendations to the Gov- 
ernment. 


Grant of non-plan funds to States 
by Sixth Finance Commission 


2638. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state: 

(a) whether Central Government have 
received any note from the West Ben- 
gal Government asking the Sixth Finan- 
ce Commission that while granting non- 
plan funds to a State it should be guid- 
ed by overall prosperity of the State ra- 
ther than industrialisation; 

,(b) if so, the main content thereof 
and the decision taken thereon; 


{&) whether per capita iHecttiOA at 
Central funds in prosperous States like 
Punjab or Haryana is higher than that 
of West Bengal, and 

(d) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) and (d). Under the recommenda- 
tions of the Fifth Finance Commission, 
the share of West Bengal in Central ta- 
xes and duties, during the Fourth Plan 
period, on a per capita basis is higher 
than that of Punjab or Haryana. Also, 
while Punjab and Haryana do not re- 
ceive any grants-m-aid under Article 275 
of the Constitution, West Bengal is get- 
ting substantial grants. 


Inter-connection between Century 
Spinning and Manufacturing Company 
and Birla Group 

2639. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AF- 
FAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Century Spinning and 
Manufacturing Company had been ask- 
ed by the Monopolies Commission to 
furnish details about its inter-connec- 
tions with the Birla group in the case 
of its second application for substantial 
expansion of its fibre glass unit in Uttar 
Pradesh; 

(b) whether the Company has furni- 
shed the necessary information in this 
connection; 

(c) if so, what is the nature of infor- 
mation furnished; and 

(d) what decision has been taken by 
the Commission on the Company’s ap- 
plication? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : (a) to (d) . The Monopolies 
& Restrictive Trade Practices Commis- 
sion which is a quasi-judicial body is 
still conducting its inquiry in the matter 
of the application of Century Spinning & 
Manufacturing Company Ltd. 



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Sale el Units by Unit front of India 

» 

2640. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 

SHRI BANAMALI PAT- 
NAIK : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether for the second year in 
succession, the sales of units by the Unit 
Trust of India have recorded a fall; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the steps taken to reverse this 
downward trend in the sales of units? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). After 
touching a record level of Rs. 22.83 cro- 
res during the year 1969-70, the sale of 
units declined to Rs. 18.00 crores in 
1970-71 and to Rs. 15.00 crores in 1971- 
72. 

The fall in the sale of the units is 
primarily attributable to the change in 
the scheme of tax concessions and to a 
certain extent in the increase in interest 
rates in rival channels of investment. As 
against an earmarked exemption from 
income tax on income from units upto 
Rs. 1000 available till the end of March, 
1971, the income from units was bra- 
cketed with income from certain other 
specified categories of investments viz. 
deposits with banks, shares of Indian 
companies, national savings certificates 
etc. for purposes of an aggregate exemp- 
tion upto Rs. 3000 allowed with effect 
from the 1st April, 1971. This change 
removed the special attraction of units 
from the point of view of saving on in- 
come tax. At the same time, the rates 
of interest offered by banks on fixed de- 
posits improved after the raising of the 
Bank Rate to 6% in January, 1971. 
There were increases in the rates offer- 
ed on the national savings certificates 
also. 

(c) Following steps have been taken 
by the Unit Trust of India to promote 
the sale of units in the current year : 

(i) The Trust has declared a high- 
er dividend of 8.25% for the 
year 1971-72 as against 8% for 
the previous year. 

(ii) During the month of July this 
year units were offered by the 
Trust at a concessional price 
of Rs. 10.45 as against Rs. 10. 


60 in the corresponding month 
last year, 

(iii) The Trust has also decided to 
reduce the margin between the 
sale and repurchase prices of 
units. 

Further, under the Finance Act, 1972, 
tax concession available in respect of 
life insurance premia, contributions to 
recognised provident fund, etc. has also 
been extended to contributions made 
for participation in the Trust’s Unit 
Linked Insurance Plan. This is also ex- 
pected to revive interest in the Unit 
Trust. 


Enquiry Into Financial Mismanagement 
in Indian Iron & Steel Company Limited 

2641. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AF- 
FAIRS be pleased to state: 

(al whether any probe was held into 
the financial mismanagement of the In- 
dian Iron and Steel Company Limited 
during the last five years; 

(b) whether Government had approv- 
ed the erstwhile management’s handling 
of foreign loans and issues of bonus 
shares; and 

(c) whether it is proposed to hold 
any inquiry into other concerns also of 
which M/s. Martin Burn and Company 
were the former Managing Agents and 
now Secretaries and which are financial- 
ly m a precarious position? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY): (a) During 1970-71 the 
books of account of the company were 
inspected under section 209(4) of the 
Companies Act. 

(b) Out of the four loans given by 
the World Bank to the company, the 
Company fully repaid two loans in 1967. 
Out of the third loan amounting to S 
19.5 million, the company has so far 
utilised credit to the extent of $ 17.43 
million. Against this utilisation, the 
company has repaid $14,915 million and 
the balance is scheduled to be repaid on 
1st February & 1st August, 1973 and 
1st February, 1974 respectively. Out of 
the fourth loan of $ 30 million the Inter- 
national Bank for reconstruction & De- 
velopment cancelled $ 28.26 million as 
one of the reasons was that the Bank 



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wa$ not satisfied that the management 
of the Company was sound. The com- 
pany was given consent to issue bonus 
shares of the value of Rs. 2,07,34,830 
and Rs. 12,44,08,990 in 1958 and 1966 
respectively. 

fc) The matter is under consideration. 


Amendment to Monopolies and Restric- 
tive Trade Practices Act 

2642. KUMARI KAMLA KU- 
MARI : Will the Minister of COM- 
PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government propose to 
bring changes in the rules of Monopolies 
and Restrictive Trade Practices Com- 
mission; 

(b) whether a committee of Members 
of Parliament is proposed to be set up 
to examine whether the rules and pro- 
cedure are adhered properly; and 

(c) if so, when? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY): (a) Government are consi- 
dering various amendments to the pro- 
visions of the Monopolies & Restrictive 
Trade Practices Act and rules made 
thereunder to make the law more ef- 
fective. 

(b) No, Sir. 

(q) Does not arise. 


Functioning of branches of Ranks in 
Chhotanagpur and Palaman District, 
Bihar 

2643. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state : 

(a) the number and names of Banks, 
branches of which are functioning in 
Chhotanagpur (Bihar) in general and 
Palamau District in particular; and 

(b) the number of employees working 
in those banks? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY* OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI): (a) As 
on 31st March, 1972 the number of 
bank offices operating in Chhotanagpur 
region (comprising five districts of Dhan- 
bad, Hazaribagh, Palamau, Ranchi and 
Singhbhum) was 147, of which 12 were 


in Palamau District. Details are given 
below: — 


Chhota- Pala- 
nagpur mau 
region as Dist- 
Name of banks a whole rict 

(inclu- only 
ding Pa- 
lamau 
District) 


1. State Bank of India 

56 

11 

2. Central Bank of 
India. 

10 


3. Bank of India 

19 


4. Punjab National 
Bank. 

6 

1 

5. Bank of Baroda . 

7 


6. United Commer- 
cial Bank . 

14 


7. Canara Bank 

4 


8. United Bank of 
India. 

14 


9. Dena Bank 

1 


10. Union Bank of 
India. 

6 


11. Allahabad Bank . 

8 


12. Indian Bank 

1 


13. Jharia Industrial 
Bank. 

1 


Total . 

147 

12 


(b) The information is being collect- 
ed to the extent possible and will be laid 
on the Table of the House. 


Conference of All India Tax 
Executives 

2644. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH : 

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether a Conference of All India 
Tax Executives was held in New Delhi 
during the month of July, 1972; 

(b) if so, the nature of discussions 
held during the Conference; 



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(c) whether the Confidence has sent 
any memorandum again# the recom- 
mendations made by the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee on Direct Taxes, and 

(d) if so, Government's reaction there- 
to? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) Yes. 

(b) Discussions in the Conference 
were held on the following topics: — 

(1) Tax Evasion — Causes of Tax 
Evasion and Measures to check 
it. 

(2) Monopolies and Restrictive 
Trade Practices. 

(3) Review of Exemptions and De- 
ductions 

(4) Provisions stated to result in 
Tax Avoidance. 

(5) Problems of Tax Arrears — 
Causes and remedial measures, 
and 

(6) Tax Administration. 

(c) no. 

(d) Does not arise. 


Number of widows of Jawans in Bihar 
State not provided with facilities pro- 
mised by Government 

2645. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFEN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the widows of the Jawans 
in the State of Bihar, who laid their 
lives in the defence of the country du- 
ring the recent war, have not so far 
been given the facilities which Govern- 
ment had promised to them; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the number of the widows who 
have not been provided such facilities so 
far? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
The decisions taken by Central Govern- 
ment in respect of these widows include 
liberalisation of pensionary awards, free 
education and cost of books and uni- 
form for their children at institutions 
controlled by Central Government and 
priority in employment. The State Gov- 
ernment have decided to extend similar 
educational concessions at institutions 


under their control and give stin&ar 
priorities in employment. State Gov* 
erament have also decided to allot ac- 
commodation, settle land and give ex* 
gratia grants. 

In Bihar, pensionary awards have al- 
ready been sanctioned in all eligible ca- 
ses. As regards educational concessions r 
Central Government have issued entitle- 
ment cards for the eligible children and 
have conveyed die list of the beneficia- 
ries to the State Government. Cases of 
dependants are being sponsored for em- 
ployment in accordance with the priori- 
ties, as and when applications are made. 
The State Government have created 
Martyrs' Housing Fund with a sum of 
Rs. 12{ lakhs for construction of houses 
for war widows and disabled Service- 
men at Patna, Ranchi and Arrah and 
are taking steps to start construction. In 
addition, the State Govt, have reserved 
270 houses under construction at Patna 
for these persons. The State Govern- 
ment have also agreed to assist in pro- 
viding housing facilities in the vici- 
nity of their villages, depending upon 
the requirement of the widows. The 
State Government have reported that al- 
lotment of land is taking place and that 
16 families have already been allotted 
land as well as free irrigation wells. 
State Government have also reported 
that they have paid in all cases ex-gratia 
grants amounting to Rs. 10,000/- for 
officers, Rs. 7,000/- for JCOs and Rs. 
5,000/- for other Ranks. 


Non payment of Ex-Gratia Gran# to 
War Heroes in States 

2646. SHRI HART KISHORE 
SINGH. Will the Minister of DEFEN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether it has come to the notice 
of Government that a number of war 
heroes in the various States have not 
been paid ex -gratia grants payable to 
them for acts of bravery in the last 
war; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the steps taken or proposed to be 
taken by Government in this regard? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes,- 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). State Governments/ Unkfa 
Territories have been requested to ex- 
pedite payment of cash grants to til re- 



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cipienli of gallantry decorations. In- 
formation is being collected in regard 
to the number of cases in which cash re- 
wards nave already been paid and those 
in which these have not been paid so 
far and the reasons therefor. 

Requirements of Potassium Ethyl 
Xonthate in the Country 

2647. SHR1 SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERM A: Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased 
to state: 

(a) the present requirements of Pota- 
ssium Ethyl Xonthate (PEX) per 
annum in the country ; and 

(b) the total quantity manufactured 
in the country at present? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) and (b). Information is 
being collected, and will be laid on the 
Table of the House. 


Loan Applications Received by 
Nationalised Bank in Gaya 
(Bihar) 

2648. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of FINAN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of applications for 
loan received by the nationalised banks 
in the District of Gaya (Bihar) for small 
scale industries during the year 1971-72; 
and 

(b) number of loan applications sanc- 
tioned and the total amount advanced 
thereon? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) and 
(b). The information is not readily avail- 
able and the same will be collected to 
the extent feasible and placed on the 
Table of the House. 

Guidelines for utilisation of Assistance 
under U.N.D.P. 

2649. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of FINAN- 
CE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the United Nations De- 
velopment Programme administration 
has laid down certain guidelines for uti- 
lisihg the assistance given to India; and 


18*4 (SAKA) 

(b) if so, the main feature thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): 
(a) The United Nations Development 
Programme has laid down broad guide- 
lines, as approved by its Governing 
Council at its Tenth Session held in 
June 1970, for utilising its assistance, ap- 
plicable to all recipient countries. 

(b) From 1-1-1972 UNDP assistance 
is based on Country programming as 
distinguished from the earlier project-to- 
project approach. Country programm- 
ing involves the identification of the role 
of UNDP inputs in specified areas with- 
in the recepient countries' development 
objectives. It should be based on indi- 
vidual national development plans, or, 
where these do not exist, on national 
development priorities and objectives. 

Subject to the over-riding principle of 
national soverignty in the determina- 
tion of the uses to which UNDP assist- 
ance will be put. Country programming 
will be carried out within an Indicative 
Planning Figure (IPF). The IPF con- 
stitutes an order of magnitude of the re- 
sources expected to be available from 
UNDP during the programme period. 
The Programme for each country will 
be formulated by its Government in co- 
operation, at an appropriate stage, with 
UNDP. 

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79 Writtm Answers 


AUGUST )S, 1972 


Written Answers 8 * 


(c) whether the Conferti&ce has sent 
any memorandum against the recom- 
mendations made by the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee on Direct Taxes, and 

(d) if so. Government's reaction there- 
to? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) : (a) Yes. 

(b) Discussions in the Conference 
were held on the following topics: — 

(1) Tax Evasion — Causes of Tax 
Evasion and Measures to check 
it. 

(2) Monopolies and Restrictive 
Trade Practices. 

(3) Review of Exemptions and De- 
ductions. 

(4) Provisions stated to result in 
Tax Avoidance. 

(5) Problems of Tax Arrears — 
Causes and remedial measures: 
and 

(6) Tax Administration. 

(c) no. 

(d) Does not arise. 

Number of widows of Jawans in Bihar 
State not provided with facilities pro- 
mised by Government 

2645. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFEN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the widows of the Jawans 
in the State of Bihar, who laid their 
lives in the defence of the country du- 
ring the recent war, have not so far 
been given the facilities which Govern- 
ment had promised to them; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the number of the widows who 
have not been provided such facilities so 
far? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
The decisions taken by Central Govern- 
ment in respect of these widows include 
liberalisation of pensionary awards, free 
education and cost of books and uni- 
form for their children at institutions 
controlled by Central Government and 
priority in employment. The State Gov- 
ernment have decided to extend similar 
educational concessions at institutions 


under their control and give ftfanBar 
priorities in employment. State Gov- 
ernment have also decided to Mint ac- 
commodation, settle land and give &r* 
gratia grants. 

In Bihar, pensionary awards have al- 
ready been sanctioned in all eligible ca- 
ses. As regards educational concessions. 
Central Government have issued entitle- 
ment cards for the eligible children and 
have conveyed the list of the beneficia- 
ries to the State Government. Cases of 
dependants are being sponsored for em- 
ployment in accordance with the priori- 
ties, as and when applications are made. 
The State Government have created 
Martyrs* Housing Fund with a sum of 
Rs. 12i lakhs for construction of houses 
for war widows and disabled Service- 
men at Patna, Ranchi and Arrah and 
are taking steps to start construction. In 
addition, the State Govt, have reserved 
270 houses under construction at Patna 
for these persons. The State Govern- 
ment have also agreed to assist in pro- 
viding housing facilities in the vici- 
nity of their villages, depending upon 
the requirement of the widows. The 
State Government have reported that al- 
lotment of land is taking place and that 
16 families have already been allotted 
land as well as free irrigation wells. 
State Government have also reported 
that they have paid in all cases ex-gratia 
grants amounting to Rs. 10,000/- for 
officers, Rs. 7,000/- for JCOs and Rs. 
5,000/- for other Ranks. 


Non payment of Ex-Gratia Graati to 
War Heroes in States 

2646. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINQH : Will the Minister of DEFEN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether it has come to the notice 
of Government that a number of war 
heroes in the various States have not 
been paid ex-gratia grants payable to 
them for acts of bravery in the last 
war; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the steps taken or proposed to be 
taken by Government in this regard? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). State Governments/ Uniom 
Territories have been requested to ex- 
pedite payment of cash grants to aM re- 



SI WrMsH Answers SRAVANA 27, 

cipienta of gallantry decorations. In- 
formation is being collected in regard 
to the number of cases in which cadi re- 
wards have already been paid and those 
in which these have not been paid so 
far and the reasons therefor. 

Requirements of Fotaadum Ethyl 
Xonthate in the Country 

2647. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERM A: Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the present requirements of Pota- 
ssium Ethyl Xonthate (PEX) per 
annum in the country ; and 

(b) the total quantity manufactured 
in the country at present? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) and (b). Information is 
being collected, and will be laid on the 
Table of the House. 


Loan Applications Received by 
Nationalised Bank in Gaya 
(Bihar) 

2648. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of FINAN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of applications for 
loan received by the nationalised banks 
in the District of Gaya (Bihar) for small 
scale industries during the year 1971-72; 
and 

(b) number of loan applications sanc- 
tioned and the total amount advanced 
thereon? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) and 
(b). The information is not readily avail- 
able and the same will be collected to 
the extent feasible and placed on the 
Table of the House. 

Guidelines for utilisation of Assistance 
under U.N.D.P. 

2649. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA: Will the Minister of FINAN- 
CE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the United Nations De- 
velopment Programme administration 
has laid down certain guidelines for uti- 
lising the assistance given to India; and 


\m (SAKA) Wntttm Aun*m 6% 

(b) if so, the main feature thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): 
(a) The United Nations Development 
Programme has laid down broad guide- 
lines, as approved by its Governing 
Council at its Tenth Session held in 
June 1970, for utilising its assistance, ap- 
plicable to all recipient countries. 

(b) From 1-1-1972 UNDP assistance 
is based on Country programming as 
distinguished from the earlier project-io- 
project approach. Country programm- 
ing involves the identification of the role 
of UNDP inputs in specified areas with- 
in the recepient countries* development 
objectives. It should be based on indi- 
vidual national development plans, or, 
where these do not exist, on national 
development priorities and objectives. 

Subject to the over-riding principle of 
national soverfgnty in the determina- 
tion of the uses to which UNDP assist- 
ance will be put, Country programming 
will be carried out within an Indicative 
Planning Figure (IPF). The IPF con- 
stitutes an order of magnitude of the re- 
sources expected to be available from 
UNDP during the programme period. 
The Programme for each country will 
be formulated by its Government in co- 
operation, at an appropriate stage, with 
UNDP. 

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83 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 84 


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Meeting of Regional Conncil of 
Narcotics Department 

2651. DR. LAXMINARYAN PAN- 
DEY : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether in the Narcotics Depart- 
ment no meeting of the Regional Coun- 
cil constituted under the scheme of joint 
consultation machinery has been held so 
far; and 

(ty if 80 , the reasons therefor? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
A meeting of the Narcotics Department 
Regional Council was fixed for the 20th 
July, 1972. Notice of this meeting was 
sent to all concerned, but for want of 
quorum no business was transacted. 

The next meeting of this Council has 
now been scheduled to take place on the 
15th September, 1972. 

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Deficit FiniinclDg 

2653. SHRI PILOO MODY : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the 



85 Written Answers 


SR A VAN A 27 am (SAKA) 


Written Answers 86 


‘ Statesman 9 of the 18th July, 1972 under 
the caption “steep increase in deficit 
financing — Budget Provision over- 
taken” ; 

(b) if so, tfie reaction of Government 
in this regard; and 

(c) the total amount of deficit financ- 
ing as in the beginning of the current 
financial year and as on 1st August, 
1972? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : 
(a) YeS, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The large deficit financ- 
ing m 1971-72 was attributable mainly 
to massive expenditures incurred on re- 
fugees from Bangladesh, the December 
war with Pakistan and expenditures con- 
nected with natural calamities in several 
parts of the country. In the current fis- 
cal year so far, monetary data reveal 
that the R.B.l.’s net credit to Government 
has increased by Rs. 447 crores between 
March 31, 1972 and July 21, 1972. These 
figures of R.B.I. credit to Government, 
however, are sbject to fluctuations due 
to uneven flows of receipts and expendi- 
tures and cannot provide any indication 
of the actual outturn for the year as a 
whole. 


Non-availability of Food Articles 
at Delhi Airport 

2654. SHRI PILOO MODY : 

SHRI K. SURYANARA- 
YANA : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the 
‘Statesman’ dated the 9th July, 1972 
under the caption “No eatables at Air- 
port”; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
in this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Though 
the restaurant was sealed due to evic- 
tion proceedings against the unauthoris- 
ed contractor, arrangements for sale of 
snacks and cold drinks were immediate- 
ly made. Catering service in the terrace 
restaurant was also started with effect 
from 15-7-72. 


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AUGUST 18. 1972 


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SRAVANA 27, 1894 (JUKA) 


Written Answer* 90 


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Expansion of Patna Aerodrome 

2659. SHRI M. D. JAMILURRAH- 
MAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Patna aerodrome is com- 
paratively very small with result that 
bigger Boeing planes cannot land there; 

(b) whether a large number of passen- 
gers are inconvenienced on this account; 

(c) whether Government propose to 
expand aerodrome at Patna for the con- 
venience of the general public; and 

(d) if so, the broad outlines of the 
proposal? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN 
SINGH) : (a) and (b). The existing 
runway length is adequate for the ope- 
rations of Indian Airlines. 

(c) and (d) . It is proposed to provide 
additional space for passengers and the 
general public in the terminal building. 


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Reservation of Posts to Ex-servicemen 
in Punjab 

2663. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Punjab Government have 
granted the concessions, like reservation 
of posts, relaxation in age limit only to 
such ex-servicemen as have joined the 
Armed Forces on or after 1st November, 
1962; 

(b) whether a large number of ex-ser- 
vicemen as have joined the Armed 



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Forces prior to this 4&te would be de- 
prived of these facilities; and 

(c) if so, the steps proposed to be 
taken to safeguard their interest? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI' JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Punjab 
Government reserve 20% of all non- 
technical posts to be fitted in by those 
ex-servicemen who joined the Armed 
Forces on or after 1st November 1962; 
out of these, the vacancies which re- 
main unfilled are offered to other ex- 
servicemen who are otherwise fit and 
suitable for employment. 

(b) The priority for this category 
would in Punjab come next to those who 
had joined service on or after 1st Nov- 
ember, 1962. 

(c) Central Government have already 
written to all the State Governments in- 
cluding Punjab to provide reservation 
in favour of ex-servicemen on the lines 
of reservation provided by the Centre. 

Circulation of ‘Sainik Samachar 5 
in Hindi 

2664. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the total circulation of the ‘Sainik 
Samachar’ published in Hindi; and 

(b) whether it is proposed to publish 
similar journals in all the languages in- 
cluded in the Eighth Schedule of the 
Constitution and if not, the reasons 
therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) 11,740. 

(b) The Sainik Samachar is at present 
published in English, Gorkhali and eight 
other languages included in the Eighth 
Schedule of the Constitution y/z. Hindi, 
Urdu, Punjabi, Marathi, Tamil, Telugu, 
Malayalam and Bengali. It is not being 
printed in the remaining languages as 
there is not sufficient demand therefor. 

Surplus Land with Defence 
Establishments 

2665. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the PAC has recommend- 
ed the investigation of the question of 
surplus land with the Defence esta- 
blishments by a High Level Committee; 


(b) whether , Government have ap- 
pointed such a high level Committee; 

(c) if so, the date on which this Com- 
mittee was appointed and the likely date 
by which it would submit its report ; 
and 

(d) if not, the likely date by which 
such a Committee would be appointed? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) to (d). Hie matter is under exa- 
mination. 

Bnilding up of a Bank of Assem- 
blies and Sub-Assemblies 
by Import 

2666. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Public Accounts Com- 
mittee recommended the building up of 
a bank of assemblies and sub-assemblies 
and other components by import to 
maintain consistent tempo of indigen- 
ous production in certain equipments; 

(b) if so, whether such a bank has 
since been established; and 

(c) if not, the reasons for delay ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEF- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) to 

(c). Recommendation of the Public Ac- 
counts Committee to provide a ready 
bank of spares as worded was in rela- 
tion to maintenance requirements and 
not necessarily restricted to building up 
of such a bank for imported items only. 
However, all Defence Production Units 
always maintain such a bank of compo- 
nents and sub-assemblies which are 
required to be imported. 

Finding of Oil at Tripura 

2668. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any oil has been struck 
at Tripura where drilling has started re- 
cently; and 

(b) if so, the prospects of oil there? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLfiUM AND 



93 


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Written Answers 94 


CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE): (a) and (b). The first well 
in Tripura was spudded in only on the 
19th July, 1972 and it is projected to be 
drilled upto a depth of 4500 metres* The 
drilling is in early stag** of progress and 
it is too early to say anything on the 
prospects of oil in this well. 

Loan from World Bank for Import of 
Raw Materials and Components 

2669. SHRI RAMKANWAR : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether Government recently re- 
quested the World Bank to grant a soft 
loan to finance the import of raw mate- 
rials and components by Staff* trading 
agencies in India; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the World 
Bank in this regard and the extent to 
which industries in India are likely to be 
helped with the loan? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : 
(a) and (b). The Board of Executive 
Directors of International Development 
Association, lias approved the grant of 
a credit of 75 million US Dollars to 
India for import of raw and semi-finish- 
ed materials components and spare parts 
for certain specified priority industries. 
Agreement for this credit will be sign- 
ed as soon as the replenishment of IDA 
funds takes place. Only the import of 
canalised items, estimated to be of the 
order of 40 to 50 million US Dollars, 
will be made through State Trading 
Agencies such as STC, MMTC and 
HSL, on the basis of orders placed with 
them by the actual users. The bulk pur- 
chase through these agencies will be eco- 
nomical. The non-canalised items will 
be imported directly by the actual users. 
The proposed IDA Credit will cover 
about 29 per cent of total foreign ex- 
change requirements of these industries 
for 1972-73. 


Petroleum Crude from U.S.S.R. and 
other East European Countries 


2670. SHRI RAMKANWAR : WiU 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 


(a) whether Government of India 
have made efforts to secure petroleum 


4— 10LSS/72 


crude from Soviet Union and, other east 
European countries; 

<h) tk* cAtent to which these efforts, 
have succeeded; and 

(c) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been invited to a report in the 
' Economic Times ' of the 23rd June, 
1972 in this regard and if so, reaction of 
Government thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) to (c). In the context 
of the increases in tb& prices of crude 
oil. Government have been exploring 
the possibilities of importing it from 
various sources including from the 
Soviet Union and other East European 
countries. Government have seen the 
press report in the 4 Economic Timed of 
23rd Juno, 1972. It is however not cor- 
rect to say that Government’s efforts 
to diversify its sources of supply of 
crude oil have not met with any success. 
The Indian Oil Corporation has recent- 
ly negotiated an Agreement with tho 
Iraq National Oil Company for the sup- 
ply of upto 250,000 tonnes of North 
Rumaila Crude Oil by 31st December, 
1972. This Agreement will come into 
effect after it has been ratified Con- 
tacts have been and continue to be esta- 
blished with other countries also for the 
supply of crude oil. It will not be in the 
public interest to disclose at this stage 
the details of these discussions. 


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47 Written Answers SRAVANA : If, 

Dfatocfttfon in Air Services of Indian 
Airlines daring the last three month* 

2672. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 

DR. RANEN SEN : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION b e pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Airlines servi- 
ices are nowadays getting dislocated 
very frequently and their delay in depar- 
tures and arrivals have become daily fea- 
tures almost on all routes; 

(b) if so, the number of such disloca- 
tions in Airlines services all over India 
•during the last three months and irregu- 


1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 98 

larities in their departure and arrival 
during the same period ; 

(c) the reasons for such dislocations 
of air services and irregularities in their 
departures and arrivals; and 

(d) the steps taken or proposed to be 
taken to regularise air services? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) and (b). The 
total number of delays (15 minutes and 
above) and cancellations of Indian Air- 
lines services during the months April, 
May and June, 1972 are given here-, 
under : 


No. of No. of No. of Regularity 

Months 1972 planned delays cancclla- percentage 

take-offs tions ‘On Time' 

departure) 


April . 

. 

. 

7921 

2550 

174 

65-37 

May 

. 

. 

8200 

2933 

151 

62-39 

June 

. 

. 

8087 

3522 

280 

52-99- 


(c) Reasons for unpunctuality includ- 
ed technical snags, go-slow tactics adopt- 
ed by the maintenance engineers and an 
unusually large number of bird hits. In 
June bad weather accounted for a size- 
able proportion of the delays and can- 
cellations. 

(d) Delays due to bad weather are 
beyond control. As regards delays due 
to engineering snags and other factors, 
constant efforts are being made by the 
Corporation to minimise them. 

Improvement in Bank Services 

2673. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 

DHURY : 

SHRI PRABODH CHAN- 

DRA : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether any special measures have 
been taken by Government to improve 
the bank services in the country; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof 
and the progress achieved in this regard? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
The banks themselves have been taking 
measures to improve service to their 
customers. They have taken various 
steps to rationalise their lending proce- 
dure, such as simplification of forms, 
use of regional language in such forms, 
increase in the discretionary powers to 
the dealing officers, improvement in the 
procedure of collection of outstation 
cheques, drafts etc. 

The Banking Commission has made 
certain recommendations for improv- 
ing and modernising the operating 
methods and procedures of commercial 
banks. The recommendations are under 
the consideration of Government. 

Non-payment of over-time Allowance to 
Employees of Income Tax Department, 
Delhi 

2674. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 
DHURY : Will the Minister of 

FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether in the charge of Commis- 
sioner of Income-tax Delhi/New Delhi, 


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100 


the payment of Over-time Allowance has 
not been made to all the employees who 
were required to attend on Sundays and 
other holidays in the year 1970; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE 
IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
The requisite information is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the Table of 
the House as early as possible. 

Panel for Income Tax Inspectors in the 
Office of Commissioner, Income Tax, 
Delhi 

2675. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 
DHURY : Will the Minister of FIN- 
ANCE be pleased to refer to the replies 
given to Unstarred Question Nos. 7622 
and 7623 on the 26th May, 1972, regard- 
ing examination for Income-tax Inspec- 
tors in the Office of Commissioner, In- 
come-tax, New Delhi and state : 

(a) whether the panel for promotion 
to the grade of Income Tax Inspectors 
has since been prepared; 

(b) whether the meeting of Depart- 
mental Promotion Committee has been 
held to make selection if not, whether 
Government propose to extend the life 
of the existing panel beyond one year; 

(c) if so, whether it will not affect the 
interest of those Scheduled Castes em- 
ployees who passed the Departmental 
Examination in July, 1971; and 

(d) whether in the last three years the 
meetings of Departmental Promotion 
Committee to consider the qualified em- 
ployees for promotion in the grade of 
Inspectors, Supervisors and Head Clerks 
were not held for one year from the 
date of the last panel drawn in each 
year ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) No, Sir. No select list can be pre- 
pared till after one year of the prepara- 
ration of the earlier panel. The meet- 
ing of the Departmental Promotion 
Committee to be held as a result of the 
examination conducted in 1971, which 
was only due after 27th July, 1972, is 
proposed to be held shortly. Since the 
previous panel only ceases to be in ope- 
ration after 18 months of its preparation, 


no formal extension of panel is propos- 
ed. 

(c) No, Sir. The Scheduled Caste 
employees are recruited against the re- 
served vacancies and since there is no 
Scheduled Caste candidate left on the 
previous panel, the interests of the Sche- 
duled Caste candidates, who have ap- 
peared in the Departmental Examination 
in 1971, would be duly protected. 

(d) Yes, Sir. The meetings of the 
Departmental Promotion Committee 
during the last three years were held 
after one year from the date of last pa- 
nel drawn in each year. 

Amendment to the State Financial Coi* 
poratflon Acta 

2676. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the Reserve Bank of 
India has finalised the amendments to 
the State Finance Corporations Acts 
with a view to ensuring flexibility in 
their operations; and 

(b) if so, the action taken by Govern- 
ment in enacting those amendments? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The recommendations are being 
processed in consultation with the State 
Governments. As soon as these are 
completed, an amendment Bill will be 
introduced in Parliament. 

Training to Middle Level Employees by 
Reserve Bank of India 

2677. SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state *. 

(a) the duration and nature of the 
training course being conducted by the 
Reserve Bank of India for middle level 
employees of 7 State Finance Corpora- 
tions in the Northern region; and 

(b) when the training of employees in 
other regions will be taken up? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI): 
(a) and (b). The information is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the Table of 
the House, to the extent available 



101 Written Answers SRAVANA 27, 

Aubtance from World Bank for Impro- 
vement of Calcutta 

2678. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the World Bank team re- 
cently visited Calcutta to assess the 
quantum of assistance to be provided by 
the Bank for the city’s improvement; 

(b) if so, what is the quantum of as- 
sistance recommended by the team; and 

(c) what decision has been taken by 
the World Bank on its recommendation? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : 

(a) to (c). The World Bank had indicated 
interest in extending assistance for im- 
plementing some of the schemes of the 
Calcutta Metropolitan Development 
Authority. A team from the World 
Bank recently visited Calcutta, to study 
the schemes under implementation. The 
matter is reported to be under the con- 
sideration of the World Bank. 

Advertisement for the Post of Doty 
Officers by International Airport Autho- 
rity 

2679. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the International Airport 
Authority has advertised in one Delhi 
newspaper only for the posts of Duty 
Officers in airports despite the satisfac- 
tory work done by the deputationists 
from Civil Aviation who were engaged 
in the same job before the formation of 
International Airport Authority ; 

(b) if so, whether Government have 
been consulted in the matter; and 

(c) if so, the decision of Govern- 
ment thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Inter- 
national Airports Authority of India 
advertised for the posts of Manager, Air- 
port Terminals, in some of the leading 
newspapers of the country including 
three Delhi newspapers. This was done 
in consultation with the Department of 
Civil Aviation, since the latter was not 
in a position to depute on a long term 
basis the officials who in addition to 
their normal operational work were at- 


1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 102 

tending to public relations duties. No 
decision in this regard from Government 
was required. 

Supply of Additional Kerosene Oil by 
USSR 

2680. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether USSR have agreed to in- 
crease its Kerosene supply to India over 
and above the provision in the annual 
trade agreement; and 

(b) if so, the quantum of additional 
supply agreed to and the value thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) 80,000 tonnes valued at Rs. 2.16 
crores. 

Non-banking Companies in Corporation 
Sector 

2681. DR. RANEN SEN: 

SHRI RAMAVATAR SH AS- 
TRI : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of non-banking 
companies in the Corporate sector which 
receive deposits from the public; 

(b) the total amount of deposits held 
by these companies in 1969, 1970 and 
1971; 

(c) whether Government exercise any 
control over the functioning of these 
companies; and 

(d) if so, the nature of control exercis- 
ed by Government over these compa- 
nies? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K, R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). On the 
basis of the returns submitted to the 
Reserve Bank by 2241 non-banking 
companies in the corporate sector, the 
total deposits held by such companies 
amounted to Rs. 322.89 crores as on 
31st March, 1969. As on the 31st 
March, 1970 returns were submitted by 
2016 non-banking companies reporting 



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104 


their deposits as on that date at Rs. 
328.80 crores. Later figures are not yet 
available. 

(c) and (d). The functioning of these 
and other companies in the corporate 
sector is regulated by the provisions con- 
tained in various Enactments such as the 
Companies Act, 1956, Industries (Deve- 
lopment) Regulation Act, 1951 etc. In 
regard to the acceptance of deposits, 
Chapter IIIB of the Reserve Bank of 
India Act, empowers the Reserve Bank 
to regulate or prohibit the issue of pro- 
spectus or advertisements soliciting de- 
posits from the public and calling for in- 
formation and returns and also em- 
powers the Bank to give directions. The 
sets of directions issued in 1966 pres- 
cribe the periods and the quantum upto 
which the deposits can be accepted; the 
particulars to be furnished bv the com- 
panies in any advertisement inviting de- 
posits; the maintenance of deposit regis- 
ters showing the prescribed particulars; 
information to be furnished in their an- 
nual reports in respect of unpaid over 
due deposits; collection of hire-purchase 
debts within a reasonable period and 
submission of balance-sheets and returns 
to the Reserve Bank etc. 


Projects in the Petro-Chemtcal Complex 
in Koyafi taken over from Private to 
Public Sector 

2682. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) Whether some projects in the 
petro-chemical Complex in Koyali, 
which were originally scheduled to be 
in the private sector, have been taken 
over in public sector mainly owing to de- 
lays in implementation by private par- 
ties; 

(b) If so, the projects taken over in 
the public sector and the steps taken to 
implement these projects; and 

(c) Whether the remaining projects in 
the private sector are making any satis- 
factory progress? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) to (c). Projects for manu- 
facturing polyethylene, polypropylene 
and acrylic fibre which were earlier ex- 
pected to be set up in the private sector. 


have now to be implemented in the pub- 
lic sector in order to ensure integration 
of the entire petrochemical complex. 
For polypropylene and acrylic fibre, the 
Indian Petro-chemicals Corporation has 
already negotiated collaboration agree- 
ments which are under consideration of 
the Government. For polyethylene, the 
Corporation is in the process of finaliz- 
ing a collaboration arrangement. No 
major down-stream project now remains 
in the private sector. 

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Abandoning the Drilling Plan of Aliabet 
East Structure In the Shallow Waters 
of Gulf of Cambay 

2688. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas 
Commission has abandoned its drilling 



a 07 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 


plan of Aliabet east structure in the 
shallow waters of the Gulf of Cambay; 
and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Firstly in the event of one or more 
exploration wells drilled on a structure 
indicating the existing of commercially 
exploitable oil pool, a large number of 
development wells have to be drilled in 
the various parts of the structure to ob- 
tain oil production. On the Aliabet 
East Structure, a channel passes close to 
the crestal part in which it should be 
possible to drill an exploration well if 
the required means are available. How- 
ever, over the rest of the structure the 
-water depth particularly at low tide is 
so small that with the normal means it 
would be extremely difficult to drill the 
required development wells. It has not 
so far been possible to find a method of 
drilling the development wells in such 
shallow waters. Until a method of drill- 
ing the development wells can be found, 
no useful purpose would be served by 
drilling an exploration well as it will not 
be possible to follow up the oil discovery 
by drilling development wells for pro- 
duction. 

Shortage of Kerosene Oil fin Southern 
States 

2689. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL 
REDDY : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is shortage of Kero- 
sene Oil in certain Southern States; and 

(b) if so, what steps Government have 
taken in this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) There have been 

sporadic shortages of Kerosene Oil in 
some parts of the Southern States. 

(b) The product availability position 
is generally good in the country. How- 
ever, local shortage sometimes occur 
mainly, due to operational problems. To 
maintain kerosene supplies to the areas 


108 

where such shortages occur, special ar- 
rangements are invariably made and the 
supply position is being kept at a gene- 
rally satisfactory level. 

INS Nilgfiri 

2691. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) at what cost the I.N.S. Nilgiri was 
built and what are its functions and who 
was its builder; and 

(b) the indigenous and imported per- 
centage in terms of cost thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) I.N.S. 

Nilgiri was built by Mazagon Dock 
Limited at a provisional cost of Rs. 
18.40 crores. She is a modern general 
purpose frigate. 

(b) The percentages of indigenous and 
imported contents m terms of cost are 
approximately 53 and 47 respectively. 


Proposal to enter into Project of build- 
ing Hotels by Air India at Important 
Airports 

2692. SHRI JAGANNATH MISH- 
RA : Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
6tate : 

(a) whether Air India proposes to en- 
ter into the project of building hotels at 
important airports; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the reasons why these projects 
could not be taken up by India Tourism 
Development Corporation? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN 
SINGH) : (a) to (c). Air India is con- 
structing 2 hotels at Juhu Beach at Santa 
Cruz, Bombay, as it is considered desir- 
able for Air India to extend its activities 
to the operation of hotels as other inter- 
national airlines have done. Indeed a 
special company has been floated by Air 
India for this purpose. The India Tou- 
rism Development Corporation has its 
own substantial programme of hotel 
construction at other centres. 



109 Written Answers SRAVaNA 27, 

Agreements with Foreign Collaborators 
for setting op New Projects by I.PC.L. 

2693. SHRI JAGANNATH MISH- 
RA : Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) Whether the Indian Petro- 
chemicals Corporation Limited has 
concluded or propose to conclude some 
agreements with foreign collaborators 
for setting up some new projects; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of 
such agreements and the nature of new 
projects? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) TTie foreign collaboration agree- 
ments/proposals are in respect of pro- 
vision of process know-how basic 
engineering, supervision of detailed 
engineering, optional procurement ser- 
vices, supervision of construction and 
start-up. The projects being implement- 
ed by the Indian Petrochemicals Corpo- 
ration Limited will provide certain 
intermediate and end pfoducts for 
industries producing plastics, synthetic 
fibres, synthetic rubber and synthetic 
detergents. 

Loan from World Bank for augmenting 
Water Resources of Greater Bombay 

2694. SHRI JAGANNATH 
MISHRA: Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether World Bank proposes 
to advance loans to Maharashtra State 
for augmenting greater Bombay's water 
supply; and 

(b) if so, the amount of the pro- 
posed loan and the terms and conditions 
for its repayment? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN): 
(a) and (b). The Government of 
India has posed a project for the 
augmentation of water supply and im- 
provement of sewerage in the Bombay 
Metropolitan Area to the International 
Development Association (IDA), a 
•soft-lending affiliate of the World Bank, 
Tor assistance. 


1894 {SAKA) Written Answers 110 

The Project is being appraised by 
the Association and the amount of the 
IDA credit has not yet been deter- 
mined. The IDA Credit, if finally ap- 
proved, will be to the Government of 
India and the proceeds will be trans- 
ferred to the Government of Maha- 
rashtra as part of Central assistance for 
Plan schemes. Credits from IDA bear 
no interest but only a service charge 
of 3 /4th of 1% and are repayable 
over a period of 50 years. 


Plan to Curtail Foreign Experts Involve- 
ment In Defence Production 

2695. SHRI JAGANNATH 
MISHRA: Will the Minister of DE- 
FENCE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have 
evolved any plan for radically curtailing 
the involvement of foreign experts in 
defence production; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) 

and (b). The involvement of foreign 
experts in Defence Production is 
strictly limited to fields where techni- 
cal know-how is not indigenously 
available. Where foreign experts have 
to be employed, the policy is to replace 
them at the earliest by training suitable 
Indians. 


Legal Proceedings against Pilots who 
refused to fly Avro-748 Planes 

2696. SHRI RAM PRAKASH: Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state: 

(a) whether legal proceedings have 
been instituted against the pilots who 
have refused to fly Avro-748 planes; 
and 

(b) if 'O, the reasons therefor and 
the number of pilots against whom pro- 
ceedings have been instituted? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. 


(b) Does not arise. 



Written Answers 


Written Answer* 


111 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


112 


^s gr Dem and for AArancea by »»., 
Fatten from NaHorndbed n« w i, T 


(b) if so, the reasons themfoo? 


f . 2< vr‘ RAM PRAKASH: Will 

te'stite: 1 ° f nNANCE be Phased 

demanH W f iet ^f *k ere , bas lesser 

k f r a ?, vance8 from nationalised 
banks by small fanners; and 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) 

No, Sir. There has been a progressive 
rise in the number of borrowal accounts 
and the amount outstanding in respect 
of direct advances for agriculture as 
will be seen from the following table ; 


As at the end of 

No. of 
borrowal 
accounts 

Amount Amount 
outstanding outstan- 
(Rs. in ding per 
lakhs) account 
(Rs.) 

June, 1969 

. 1,34,849 

26,96 0 

1,999 

June, 1970 . ... 

. 3,78,285 

98,47-6 

2,603 

June, 1971 . 

• • ■ ■ 

. 5,36,235 

1,29,64-2 

2,418 

March, 1972 

. 6,36,493 

1,50,22-9 

2,360 


(b) The question does not arise. 

Concerns under Soorajmull Nagarmal] 
group, Calcutta 


huge amount of money belonging to 
the shareholders and employees of the 
Maclod Co. and if so, the action taken 
by Government in this regard? 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 
Wul the Minister of COMPANY Af 
rAIRS be pleased to state: 


(a) whether the Bajoria Properties 
Limited, Darjeeling Dooars Investment 
Co. Limited, Aiipur Holdings (P) 
Limited, Barrackpore Industries 
Limited, and Kanoria Industries 
Limited Calcutta are under the control 
of Soorajmull Nagarmull and if so. the 
composition of the Board of Directors 
of each of the companies; 

( b ) principal shareholders of 
fiach of these companies and the num- 
ber and percentage of equity shares 
held by each shareholder; 


(c) the assets and liabilities of each 
for the latest year and the main items 
of their business; 

(d) the amount of loans and ad- 
vances received from each source by 
each company and which of them have 
gone into liquidation; and 

(e) whether these companies have 
been charged with misappropriating 


THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : (a) to (e). The information 
is being collected and it will be laid 
on the Table of the House. 

M/s Security Printers Private Limited 


2699. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AF- 
FAIRS be pleased to state: 


(a) the composition of the Board of 
Directors of M/s. Sbcurity Printers 
Pvt. Ltd., Kanpur; 

(b) the principal shareholders of 
this company with number and percen- 
tage of equity shares held by each; 

(c) whether M/s. Security Printers 
Pvt. Ltd. is a subsidiary of the British 
controlled firm Metal Box Co. of India 
Ltd., Calcutta; and 

(d) whether the above two firms are 
connected with each other through 
inter locking of Directorships and' 
capital? 



113 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 18V4 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 114 


THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY): (a) The composition of the 
Board of Directors of M/s. Security 
Printers of India Pvt. Ltd., Kanpur is 
as follows: — 

1. Shri M. C. Khunnah, Director 

2. Shri C. L. Khunnah, Director 

3. Shri P. K. Nanda, Director 

(b) As on 31-3-71, M/s. W. W. 
Sprague & Co. Ltd.. U. K. held 3570 
equity shares (51%) and Shri L. N. 
Khunnah 3430 equity shares (49%) in 
the share capital of the company. 

(c) According to latest available 
information M/s. Security Printers of 
India Pvt. Ltd. does not appear to be 
a subsidiary of M/s. Metal Box Co. 
of India Ltd., Calcutta. 

(d) There is only one director com- 
mon to the two companies and there is 
no inter-locking of capital. 

Fresh Proposal to make Calcutta Air- 
port as a Prominent Airport 

2700. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are aware 
of a conspiracy to sabotage the pros- 
pects of Calcutta Airport by big busi- 
ness houses of India; and 

(b) whether any fresh proposal is 
under consideration to explore possibi- 
lities to make Calcutta Airport a pro- 
minent Airport? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Government are anxious to pre- 
serve the importance of Calcutta Air- 
port. A modern international terminal 
building at a cost of about Rs. 2 crores 
has been recently constructed at this 
airport. A control tower at a cost of 
over Rs. 48 lakh is under construction, 
as also an Airport Hotel. 


Scheme for Attracting Tourists to Cal- 
cutta on Durga Puja Festivals 

2701. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI: Will the Minister of TOU- 


RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have pre- 
pared a scheme for the attraction of 
tourists to Calcutta on Durga Puja 
Festivals; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) With a view to 
attract tourist traffic to Calcutta, the 
Department of Tourism had given a 
subsidy of Rs. 77,000/- to the Gov- 
ernment of West Bengal for organising 
a Calcutta festival during Durga Puja 
in the Year 1969-70. 

It is proposed by the State (Govern- 
ment to organise a similar festival this 
year for which financial assistance 
would be given by the Department of 
Tourim. 

(b) The details of the scheme are 
being finalised by the Government of 
West Bengal. 

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Switch over to the Assembly of another 
make of Aircraft by H.A.L., Kanpur 

2704. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether the HAL unit in Kan- 
pur has decided to abandon assembly 
of Avro-748 and to switch over to the 
assembly of another make of aircraft 
in collaboration with a foreign firm; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; 

(c) the total investment required for 
the new project and how best the pre- 
sent machinery and tools that might be 
rendered surplus will be used; and 

(d) the additional advantages the 
new aircraft offers7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA): (a) 
No, Sir. 

(b) to (c). Does not arise. 

National Calamity Fund 

2705. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether Government have consi- 
dered the desirability of creating a 
National Calamity Fund for meeting 
unforeseen natural calamities such as 
drought, floods, cyclone, etc. which 
occur almost every year in some part of 
the country or the other; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the 
proposal in this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The matter has been referred to 
the Sixth Finance Commission who 
have been requested to review the 
policy and arrangements in regard to 
the financing of relief expenditure by 
the States, affected by natural calami- 
ties and examine inter alia the feasibi- 
lity of establishing a National Fund to 
which the Central and State Govern- 
ments may contribute a percentage of 
their revenue receipts. 


1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 118 

Closed units reopened as a Result of 
Assistance by Industrial Reconstruction 
Corporation 

2706. SHRI V. MAYAVAN: Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state: 

(a) the location of nine closed units 
which have so far reopened their fac- 
tories with the assistance of Industrial 
Reconstruction Corporation of India; 

(b) when the remaining four units 
out of thirteen units, which have been 
given a sum of Rs. 99.17 lakhs includ- 
ing guarantees, are likely to reopen; 

(c) whether the working capital 
assistance for the thirty units to the 
extent of Rs. 318.44 lakhs has been 
arranged with bankers; 

(d) whether the reconstruction assis- 
tance aggregating to Rs. 469.05 lakhs 
sanctioned to these thirty closed/sick 
industrial units is apart from the work- 
ing capital assistance being arranged 
with bankers; and 

(e) by what time all these thrity 
closed/ sick industrial units are likely 
to start functioning? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
Industrial Reconstruction Corpo|ration 
of India has sanctioned assistance to 
26 closed units so far out of which 19 
have reopened. Six of these are located 
in Calcutta, 6 in 24-Parganas, 4 in 
Nadia district and one each in the dis- 
tricts of Hooghly, Burdwan and 
Howrah. The remaining units which 
have been sanctioned Rs. 70.89 lakhs 
by way of assistance have still to com- 
ply with the various conditions imposed 
by Industrial Reconstruction Corpora- 
tion of India before they can draw 
their assistance. 

(c) to (e). Industrial Reconstruction 
Corporation of India has so far sanc- 
tioned assistance to 51 units in all. 
Working capital assistance of the order 
•of Rs. 527.82 lakhs has been arranged 
for these units through commercial 
banks. This is in addition to the assist- 
ance sanctioned by the Industrial Re- 
construction Corporation of India it- 
self. After assistance is sanctioned by 
the Industrial Reconstruction Corpo- 
ration of India, the units have to 
comply with certain conditions im- 
posed before they draw assistance to* 
reopen the factories. 



119 


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AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Aruwett 


I2& 


Financial Askance ttjf tofluStriSi Unit 
in Backward mrida 


if s°> when it will submit its re. 

port; and 


2707. SHRI V. MAYAVAN: Will (c) the estimated loss caused by the 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased jFf an d the preventive steps taken for 
to state: future ? 


(a) the names of eleven industrial 
units located in notified backward Dis- 
tricts/areas which have been sanc- 
tioned financial assistance to the extent 
of Rs. 831.50 lakhs during the year 
ended 30th June, 1971 by the Indus- 
trial Finance Corporation; 

(b) the expansion projects of co- 
operatives in notified backward dis- 
tricts/areas which have been given 
concessional financial assistance dur- 
ing the same period by the Industrial 
Finance Corporation; and 

(c) the amount of assistance given 
to public limited companies during the 
same period by the Industrial Finance 
Corporation? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): (a) A state- 
ment giving the desired information 
is laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT — 
3428/72]. 

(b) The Corporation did not sanc- 
tion any assistance on concessional 
terms for the expansion project of 
Cooperatives during the year ended 
30th June, 1971 as no such case came 
up for consideration. 

(c) The assistance sanctioned and 
disbursed to public limited companies 
during the year ended 30th June* 1971 
aggregated to Rs. 26 crores and Rs. 
9.41 crores respectively. 


Fire In Manafi Refinery (Madras) 


THE MINISTER OF LAW 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H R 
KHALE) : Yes, Sir. 


AND 

AND 

GO- 


(b) The Committee has been asked 
submit its report within a period 
two months. 


to 

of 


W According to the Madras Re- 
fineries Limited the estimated cost of 
repair would be about R s . 6.5 lakhs and 
product loss about Rs. 2.7 lakhs. The 

£n°i*?v '? 3 d “ ! y ins ured. The Mana- 
ging Director has stated that the Re- 
finery and tank farm are provided with 
excellent fire fighting facilities and that 
^ i tanks and structures have very good 
earthing system and are properly groun- 
ded. The Committee has been asked to 
determine the extent of loss and also 
?? r ec 5 >m ™ en t d the preventive measures 
that should be taken to prevent recur- 
rence of such incidents. 


Complaint about Malpractices in Dig. 
vijai Cement Company 




— UlJllXl _ 

n aS? AM : t,le Minister of COM- 

PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 


(?) whether he has received com- 
plaints about malpractices and corrup- 
bon in Digvijai Cement Company own- 
ed by Somanies; 


(b)if so, nature of complaints 
received; 


(c) whether any investigation has been 
made into the complaints; and 

(d) if so, the findings thereof and the 
action taken thereon 7 


2708. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 

SHRI S. A. MURUGANA- 
THAM : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have set up 
an inquiry Committee to go into the 
causes of the disastrous fire that broke 
out at Madras Refinery complex at Ma- 
nali recently; 


THE MINISTER 
AFFAIRS (SHRI 
REDDY) : (a) Yes. 


OF COMPANY 
RAGHUNATHA 


(b) Allegations against the 
ment include the following: 


manage- 


(i) Grant of contracts in regard to 
transport, supply of gunny bags 
etc. without inviting tenders to 
concerns in which some of the 
Directors are interested. 



321 Wti tint Answer* SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 


(B) Use of motor vehicles owned by 
the Company for extraneous pur- 
poses (not connected with the 
business of the company). 

(in) Utilisation of the services of the 
staff of the company as well as 
Its goods by some persons hav- 
ing interests in the company. 

(iv) Engagement of persons, connec- 
ted with some share-holders, on 
high salaries and allowances with- 
out any regard to their com- 
petence. 

(c) and (d). An inspection of the 
books of account of the company has 
been ordered. 

Hanking of India In regard to National 
Income in the International Community 

2711. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI- 
SHRA : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state the 
ranking of India in regard to national 
income in the international community, 
at the time of Independence; at the end 
of First, Second and Third Five Year 
Plans and at present 7 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : 
Estimates of national income for 
India are available, on a re- 
gular basis, only from 1948-49. As for 
the ranking of India in respect of na- 
tional income in the international com- 
munity, information as at the end of 
each Plan period is not readily avai- 
lable. According to the United Nations 
Year Book of National Accounts Statis- 
tics, among 140 countries in respect of 
which information is given, India’s na- 
tional income ranked 6th in 1958, 7th 
in 1965 and 8th in 1968. The corres- 
ponding ranking in respect of per capita 
income was 106th in 1958, 95th in 1965 
and 74th in 1968. 

Proportion of Direct and Indirect Taxes 
to National Income 

2712. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI- 
SHRA : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state the pro- 
portion of direct and indirect taxes, se- 
parately national income for each year 
since the beginning of the First Five 
Year Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 
A statement is enclosed 


STATEMENT 

Revenue from direct and indirect taxes 
levied by Central and State Governments 
as per cent of national income 


Year 

Direct 

Indirect 

Total 


Taxes 

Taxes 

1951-52 

2-4 

5-0 

7-4 

1952-53 

2-5 

4-4 

6-9 

1953-54 

2*3 

4*1 

6-4 

1954-55 

2-5 

50 

7-5 

1955-56 

2-6 

51 

7*7 

1956-57 

2-6 

5-3 

7-9 

1957-58 

2-9 

6-3 

9-2 

1958-59 

2-7 

5-9 

8-6 

1959-60 

2-9 

6-5 

9-4 

1960-61 

30 

7-1 

10-1 

1961-62 

3*2 

7-8 

11-0 

1962-63 

3*7 

8-8 

12-5 

1963-64 

41 

9-5 

13-6 

1964-65 

3-7 

9-3 

130 

1965-66 

3-6 

10-6 

14-2 

1966-67 

3-2 

10*4 

13-6 

1967-68 

2-8 

9-4 

12-2 

1968-69 

2*9 

10.2 

13-1 

1969-70 

3*1 

10-4 

13-5 


Note.— F ? r 1970-71 and 1971-72 esti- 
mates of national income at current prices 
are not as yet available. 

Rate of increase in National income 
and Money supply 

2713. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI- 
SHRA: 

SHRI RAGHUNANDAN- 
LAL BHATIA: 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the comparative figures of the rate 
of increase in national income and rate 
of increase in money supply since the 
begnning of the First Five Year Plan; 

(b) whether any co-relation has been 
established between increase in natio- 
nal income and increase in money sup- 
ply; and 

(c) if so, the ratio between the two 7 



123 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 124 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : 
(a) to (c). A statement showing 
annual rate of variation in national 
income and money supply since 
1951-52 together with the ratio of na- 
tional income to money supply for each 
of these years is enclosed. Although 
there is no precise correlation between 


increases in national income and money 
supply, in a developing country there is 
a long term tendency for the ratio of 
national income to money supply (i.e, 
income velocity of money supply) to 
decline on account of injctreased de- 
mand for money resulting from growing 
monetisation of the economy and di- 
versification of the economic structure* 


Statement 

Variations in National Income , Money Supply and Ratio oj National Income to Money 

Supply since 1951-52 


Percentage variations in Ratio of 

National Income National 

Year Income at 

At At Money current 

constant current supply prices to 

prices prices with the Money 
public* Supply 


First Plan 


1951-52 .... 

• 

+2-8 

+4-6 

—10.1 

5-5 

1952-53 .... 


+4-0 

—1*5 

—2-6 

5-6 

1953-54 .... 


+60 

+6-7 

+3-6 

5-7 

1954-55 .... 


+2-5 

—8-3 

+6-9 

4-9 

1955-56 .... 


+ 1-9 

+3-9 

+ 13-4 

4-5 

Annual Compound growth rate 


+3-5 

+0-9 

+1-9 


Second Plan 

1956-57 .... 


+5-0 

+ 13-3 

+5-6 

4-8 

1957-58 .... 


—10 

+0-7 

+3-0 

4-7 

1958-59 .... 


+7-0 

+ 10-6 

+4-7 

5.0 

1959-60 .... 


+ 1-8 

+2-7 

+7-7 

4-8 

1960-61 .... 


+7-3 

+9-3 

+5-5 

4-9 

Annual compound growth rate 


+ 3-8 

+7-3 

+5-3 


Third plan 

1961-62 .... 


+ 3-5 

+5-7 

+6-2 

4-6 

1962-63 .... 


+2-0 

+5-9 

+8-7 

4-5 

1963-64 .... 


+ 5-7 

+ 14-9 

+13-3 

4*6 

1964-65 .... 


+7-2 

+ 17-4 

+8-7 

4-9 

1965-66 .... 


—5-6 

+2-8 

+11.0 

4-6 

Annual compound growth rate 

■ 

+2-5 

+9-1 

+9-6 


Annual Plans 

1966-67 ( . • • • 

. 

+ 1-5 

+ 15-9 

+9-3 

4-8 

1967-68 .... 

, 

+9.3 

+ 18-7 

+8-1 

5.3 

1968-69 .... 

• 

+2.4 

+ 1-1 

+8-0 

5-0 

Fourth Plan 

3969-70 .... 

• 

+5.3 

+ 8-7 

+10-5 

4.9 

1970-71 .... 

• 

+4.7 

N.A. 

+11-8 

N.A. 


•As on last Friday of March. 



125 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 126 


Assistance by Industrial Credit and In- 
vestment Corporation of India 

2714. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state : 

(a) the details of the rupee loans of 
Rs. 15.93 crores, foreign currency loans 
of Rs. 20.44 crores, underwriting of sha- 
res and debentures of Rs. 2.48 crores 
and subscriptions to Shares and debent- 
ures of Rs. 2.78 crores sanctioned by 
the Industrial Credit and Investment Cor- 
poration of India during the 12 months 
ended December, 1971; 

(b) the number and other particulars 
of applications received by the Small 
Loan Section of the Corporation from 
small units seeking foreign currency 
loans during this period; and 

(c) the nature of assistance sanctioned 
to small units during this period 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R. GANESH) (a) to (c). The 
information is being collected and will 
be laid on the Table of the House to 
the extent available. 

Replacement of old Naval Ship 

2715. SHRI VISHWANATH PRA- 
TAP SINGH : Will the Minister 
of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether many of our naval ships 
have out-lasted their operational life; 
and 

(b) if so, how does Government in- 
tend to replace them in near future ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Se- 
veral of the ships are no more at their 
optimum capacity, due to long use. 


(b) The Government are fully consci- 
ous of the need for replacing old and 
ageing ships of our Navy. A programme 
has been drawn up to induct new ships 
by accelerating and expanding indigenous 
conduction of warships and supple- 
menting this by new acquisition where 
feasible. Every attempt is being made to 
develop and strengthen our Navy within 
the constraints of financial resources and 
indigenous capacity of warship construc- 
tion. 

Determination of inter se priority among 
war widows applying for Indane Gas 
Agencies 

2716. SHRI VISHWANATH PRA- 
TAP SINGH : Will the Minister of 
DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the principle on which inter se 
priority is determined among the war 
widows applying for Indane Gas agen- 
cies; 

(bi) the list of wax-widows in order of 
priority, along with their dates of regis- 
tration and dates of allotment of the 
agency, who have so far applied for age- 
ncy at any place in Uttar Pradesh; and 

(c) whether after the exercise of the 
choice for an agency at a particular 
place by a war-widows subsequent chan- 
ge of place of the agency, has been al- 
lowed m any case till now ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). 
The allotment of gas agencies is made 
by the Indian Oil Corporation. War 
widows are placed in Priority II i.e . 
next below to the disabled Service per- 
sonnel. The interne priority for allot- 
ment of IOC gas agencies to war widows 
is determined by the Indian Oil Corpo- 
ration on the merits of each case keep- 
ing in mind their capacity to operate and 
finance the commercial enterprise satis- 
factorily. 


LIST OF WAR WIDOWS ALLOTTED INDANE GAS AGENCIES IN UTTAR 
PRADESH WITH THEIR DATE OF APPLICATION. 


SI. 

No. 

Name and address Date of 

application 

Date of allotment and station 

1 

2 

3 

4 

1 . 

Mrs. Suman Purohit W/o late Fit. 
Lt. Manohar Purohit, Agra. 

15-1-72 

February 72— Agra 

2. 

Scat- Kamlesh Chauhan W/o late 
Capt. Madan Pal Chauhan, Vr. C. 
Meerut. 

15-1-72 

February 72— Bareilly 


5-10 LSS/72 






127 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Written Answers 128 


1 

2 

3 

4 

3. 

Smt.Mohini SinghW/olateLt.Col. 
Onkar Singh, Meerut. 

31-1-72 

February 72— Muzaffar Nagar 

4. 

Smt. Padma Negi, W/o late Major 

J. S. Negi, Lucknow. 

31-1-72 

March 72 — Saharanpur. 

5. 

Smt. Kalpana Singh W/o late 
Cupt.V. P. Singh, Vr. C. Allahabad. 

5-2-72 

April 72 — Dhanbad (Subsequently 
change allowed for Allahabad). 


LIST OF WAR WIDOWS ON THE WAITING LIST FOR ALLOTMENT OF 
IOC GAS AGENCIES WITH THEIR DATES OF APPLICATION IN UTTAR 

PRADESH 


1. Smt. Prabhawati Singh, W/o late 2-2-72 
Capt. S, G. Singh, Jhansi. 

2. Smt. UmaNathani, W/o late Fit. Lt. 8-2-72 

D. R. Nathani, Dehra Dun. 

3. Smt. Sunita VTheophillus W/o late 14-2-72 
Fit. Lt. G. Theophillus, Agra. 

4. Smt SitaRana W/o Major TekBa- 25-2-72 
hadur Rana, Dehra Dun. 

5. Smt. S. K. Singh W/o late Major 22-3-72 
Ranbir Singh, Vr. C. Meerut. 

6. Smt. Surinder Ram Singh, W/o late 22-4-72 
Maj. Ram Singh, Allahabad. 

7. Smt. Nirmal Kasana W/o late 2nd 284-72 
Lt. B. S. Kasana, Hapur. 

8. Smt. VidyaGurung W/o late Major 14-6-72 
L. B. Gurung.Vr. C. Dehra Dun. 


3 widows have been allowed change of station in Keiala State and 1 in Uttar 
Pradesh. 


-Steps to meet tourist requirements 

2717. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : 
Will the Minister of. TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether India is the second chea- 
pest country in the world for tourists; 

(b) whether Government are aware 
that tourists, these days, have a strong 
price consciousness not only about ac- 
commodation and other allied services 
but also in choosing modes of transport 
and travel distances; and 

(c) if so, the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to meet these requirements 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN 


SINGH) : (a) Although no comparative 
figures of tourist costs in respect of 
various countries of the world are av- 
ailable, India is no doubt one of the 
relatively cheaper tourist destinations. 

(b) Yes, Sir. Tourists' by and large 
are price conscious and the costa of air 
travel, accommodation and allied costs 
are major determinants in their travel 
plans. 

(c) The introduction of lower air fa- 
res, inclusive tour fares and liberalisa- 
tion in the movement of charters to In- 
dia will help to broaden the tourist 
market base, making it increasingly pos- 
sible for this category of tourists to visit 
India. 




129 Written Answers 


SKAVANA 27* 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 130 


Installation of powerful Computer 
System at Ahmedabad 

2718. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea- 
sed to state : 

(a) whether the Report of the Com- 
mittee on Automation, headed by Prof. 
Dandekar, has recommended installa- 
tion of powerful computer system at 
Ahmedabad; 

(b) whether this has resulted in serious 
discontentment among the Life Insuran- 
ce employees ; if so, Government’s re- 
action thereto; 

(c) whether stiff opposition was shown 
by the All India Insurance Employees 
Association throughout the country agai- 
nst installation of computers ; and 

(d) if so, the reason for accepting 
this recommendation in the face of such 
an opposition ? 


The MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 

(a) The Committee on Automation has 
not recommended the installation of a 
powerful computer system at Ahmeda- 
bad. 

(b) to (d). Since the Committee did 
not make any such recommendation, 
the question of its acceptance does not 
arise. Government is aware of the views 
of the Association on computers. 


Three 8-Hour Shifts in Ordnance Facto- 
ries for clearing Employment and im- 
proving efficiency 

2719. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be plea- 
sed to state : 

(a) whether a meeting was convened 
by the Raksha Utpadan Mantri on 12th 
June 1972 to discuss with both the re- 
cognised Federations the feasibility of 
having three 8-hour shifts in the Or- 
dance Factories to create more employ- 
ment and improve efficiency; 

(b) whether an assurance was given 
that stoppage of Over Time will not re- 
sult in loss of pay packets and if so, the 
reaction of the Federation; and 


(c) whether any Committee has been 
formed to explore further possibilities 
in this direction 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). It was agreed in principle 
that 8-hour shifts should be introduced 
in the Ordnance Factories provided 
the existing earnings of the workers are 
not affected. The agreement however is 
not a commitment by any of the parties 
concerned and a final view in the matter 
by any of the parties will be taken after 
full implications of the scheme are brou- 
ght out by a Committee, which has al- 
ready been formed to go into the ques- 
tion, consisting of representatives each 
from the Department of Defence Pro- 
duction, Department of Defence 
Ministry of Finance (Defence) , Directo- 
rate General of Ordnance Factories, 
Indian National Defence Workers Fede- 
ration and All India Defence Employees 
Federation. 


Civilian Employees employed in Air 
Force not declared permanent 

2720. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the civilian employees 
employed in Air Force have not been 
declared permanent because they are 
working m lieu of Airmen; 

(b) if so, whether any decision has 
since been taken to make those employe- 
es, who are continuing in a particular 
post, permanent; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Ci- 
vilians employed in lieu of Airmen are 
not entitled for permanency so long as 
they are employed against Combatant 
posts. 

(b) and (c). It is the policy of trans- 
fer civilians employed against Airmen 
vacancies, to regular establishment va- 
cancies as and when such vacancies 
occur. These employees are then con- 
sidered for permanency along with 
others against such vacancies. 



l3l Written Answers 


AUGUST 18. j$72 


Written Answers 132 


Manufacture of Sophisticated Weapons 
in Ordnance Factories 

2721. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 
Will the Minister of the DEFENCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) what further progress has been 
made to manufacture sophisticated wea- 
pons in the ordnance factories ; 

(b) whether any plan has been chalk- 
ed out ; and 

(c) if so, the broad features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) 
and (b). It has been possible by die 
Ordnance Factories to improve upon 
the production of such weapons beyond 
the targets fixed during 1971-72. These 
Factories have chalked out a programme 
to further increase the production rate 
with a view to meet the entire require- 
ments of the Army both by way of 
whole weapons and spares. 

(c) Increased production has 1 been pla- 
nned to be achieved by (i) resorting to 
advance production pd^nning through 
provision of additional machines; (ii) 
close supervision and control of manu- 
facturing operations; and (iii) technical 
training in the manufacture of intricate 
and sophisticated components. 

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Indo-British Agreement on AIR Charter 
services 

2724. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of 

TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indo-British agree- 
ment on air-charter services between the 
two countries has been extended for a 
further period of three months upto 
September, 1972; 

(b) whether the existing agreement 
which expired on 30th June, was itself 
a three month extension of the earlier 
agreement ; and 

(c) if so, the reason why Govern- 
ment have accepted for piece-meal 
extension of the agreement instead of 
going in for a long term agreement ? 



133 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 2T, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) s (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The UK Government is still in 
the process of formulating its long 
term policy in this regard. 

Demand of Higher Royalty for Crude 
by Assam 

2725. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 

THAM : 

SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Assam has demanded 
higher royalty for the crude it produces ; 
and 

(b) if so, the increased rate demand- 
ed ; and the decision by the Centre 
thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Govt, of Assam has asked 
for royalty at the rate of 20% of the 
weighted average of the posted price of 
crude plus transportation charges. No 
final decision has yet been taken. 

Place selected for construction of an 
Airport in District Tirunelveli (Tamil 
Nadu) 

2726. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of 
TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any place has been selec- 
ted m District Tirunelveli in Tamil Nadu 
for the construction of an airport ; 

(b) if so, the name of the place 
selected ; and 

(c) when the construction of the air- 
port is expected to begin ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 


Steps to check evasion of Taxes 

2727. SHRI ISHAQUE SAM- 
BHAL1 : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the question of taking 
effective steps to prevent tax evasion in 
the country has been considered afresh 
by Government ; and 

(b) if so, what are the decisions 
taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
The Wanchoo Committee appointed to 
enquire into the causes of tax evasion 
and suggest remedial measures has sub- 
mitted its report which was laid on the 
Table of the House on the 20th March, 
1972. Some of the recommendations 
have already been incorporated in the 
Finance Act, 1972 and the other recom- 
mendations are now under considera- 
tion. 

Loan application for modernisation of 

export oriental Cotton Textile Mills 

2728. SHRI ISHAQUE SAM- 
BHALI : Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Industrial Finance Cor- 
poration has received any application 
for loans for modernisation of export- 
oriented cotton textile mills ; and 

(b) if so, the names of the applicants 
and the Corporation’s reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and 

(b). Industrial Finance Corporation is 
awaiting the recommendations of the 
Textile Commissioner on the four textile 
mills viz : (i) M/s Hindustan Spinning 
and Weaving Mills Ltd., Bombay, 
(ii) M/s. Anglo-French Textile Ltd., 
Pondicherry, (lii) M/s. Delhi Cloth 
and General Mills Co. Ltd., and (iv) 
M/s. Raja Bahadur Motilal Poona Mills 
Ltd., who have applied to the Textile 
Commissioner for the ‘certificate of 
eligibility’ under the scheme formulated 
by the Ministry of Foreign Trade for 
the grant of soft loans by the Industrial 
Finance Corporation for modernisation 
of export-oriented cotton textile mills. 
The processing of the cases will be 
taken up by the Industrial Finance 
Corporation after the recommendations 
of the Textile Commissioner have been 
received. 



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Grant given to Women Pilots’ Associa- 
tion 

2729. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether his Ministry is giving a 
grant of Rs. 90,000 to the Banasthali 
Vidya Peeth for the Women’s flying 
school ; 

(b) whether such a grant is also 
being given to the Women Pilots’ Asso- 
ciation with an All-India membership ; 
and 

(c) if not, the reasons for the discri- 
mination ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) The Banasthali 
Vidyapeeth Flying & Gliding Club is 
a fixed annual subsidy of Rs. 30,000/- 
paid a fixed annual subsidy of 
Rs. 30,000/- plus flying subvention at 
the prescribed rates for the actual num- 
ber of flying hours done from month to 
month, provided it achieves a minimum 
performance of 400 hours per year. 
During the last three years, the fol- 
lowing amounts paid to it : 


Rs. 


1969- 70 48,794 

1970- 71 . 50,960 

1971- 72 . 34,591 


(b) No, Sir. 

(c) Such grants are paid to the clubs 
which impart flying training. 

School for imparting training to Com- 
mercial Pilots 

2730. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the reason why Indian Air Force 
Pilots are being released from the Air 
Force for recruitment in Indian Airlines 
and Air India when civilian boys with 
Commercial Pilot licences are available 
for the jobs ; and 

(b) the reasons for starting a school 
to impart training to Commercial Pilots 
when unemployed pilots are available 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 


KARAN SINGH) : (a) Pilots with the 
necessary experience are not available 
in adequate numbers from the open 
market. 

(b) The Central Flying Training 
School at Nadirgul (Hyderabad) has 
been established to provide improved 
facilities for proper training of selected 
candidates from the flying clubs upto 
Commercial Pilot’s Licence level. This 
school has been created to function as 
a complementary institution to the 
flying clubs and not in competition with 
them. 

As regards unemployed commercial 
pilots, efforts are being made to absorb 
them in available positions in the Civil 
Aviation Department, the two Corpo- 
rations and in agricultural spraying 
operations. 

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Reconstitution of Indian Oil Corpora- 
tion Board 

2733. SHRI MADHURYYA HAL- 
DAR : Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Board of Indian Oil 
Corporation has been recently reconsti- 
tuted ; and 

(b) if so, the names of the part time 
Directors not re-nominated ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) The Board of the 
Indian Oil Corporation Ltd., for the 
year 1971-72 has been recently recon- 
stituted. 

(b) A statement showing the names 
of the Diiectors on the Board for the 
year 1970-71 and 1971-72 is laid on 
the Tahlc of the House. [Placed in 
the Library. See No. LT 3429/72] 

Recommendations of Indian Airlines 

review Committee headed by Shri 
N. P. Sea 

2734. SHRI MADHURYYA HAL- 
DAR : Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the main recommendations of 
the Indian Airlines Review Committee 
headed by Shri N. P. Sen ; 


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(b) the arrangement* made to imple- 
ment these recommendations ; and 

(c) the recommendations so far 
implemented ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) to (c). The 
main recommendations of the Com- 
mittee relate to management employee 
relations, personnel policies and practi- 
ces and the organisational set up. The 
recommendations have been carefully 
examined by Indian Airlines and imple- 
mentation initiated wherever possible. 

Loan granted by S. B. I. under the ini- 
tiative of Agro-Industries Corporation, 
West Bengal 

2735. SHRI MADHURYYA HAL- 
DAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount of loan granted by 
the State Bank of India, under the 
initiative of the Agro-Industnes Corpo- 
ration, West Bengal (now dissolved) and 
also the terms of granting such loans ; 

(b) the overdue amount of such 
loans and the interest thereon ; and 

(c) the steps under the consideration 
of the Government to recover the 
money ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) to 
(c). 'I he information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the 
House. 

Confusion over exchange rate of rupee 
in South East Asia 

2736. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the 
Statesman of the 13th July, 1972 under 
the caption "Confusion over exchange 
rate of rupees” ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern- 
ment thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 


buying and selling fete s for sterling is 
terms of Rupees. The latest notifica- 
tion revised buying and selling rates for 
spot sterling with effect from 4-7-72 as 
follows : 

Buying $5.3333 per Rs. 100/- 
Selling $ 5,3050 per Rs. 100/- 

These rates continue to be in force. 


Effect of strike by R. B. I. Employees 
on Trade and Commerce 

2737. SHRI P. K. DEO : 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the extent to which the strike of 
employees of Reserve Bank of India in 
June, 1972 hit the trade and com- 
merce in the metropolitan city ; and 

(b) the reaction of Government in 
this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) As the 
clearing of cheques* receipts and pay- 
ments on Government account, the issue 
and exchange of notes and coins and 
other similar transactions at the counters 
of the Reserve Bank of India at the 
Fort and Byculla offices had to be sus- 
pended during the period of the strike, 
there was some inconvenience to trade 
and commerce in the Greater Bombay. 
Commercial Banks, however, continued 
to function normally. It is not possible 
to quantify the loss to trade and com- 
merce caused by the strike. 

(b) The Central conciliation machi- 
nery used its good offices and the strike 
was called off on 1st July, 1972 after a 
settlement was reached between the 
Reserve Bank and the Bombay Unit of 
the A.l.R.B.I. Employees Association. 


Difficulties experienced by Small Scale 
Units on account of Banks apathy in 
Gujarat 

2738. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 


(a) whether attention of Government 
(b) The Reserve Bank of India has has been invited to a report in the 

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under the beading “Bank’s apathy in 
Gujarat-Small Units languishing” ; 

(b) whether Government have 
studied the implications of this report ; 
and 

(c) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI): (a) 
and (b). Yes. Sir. 

(c) On several points Government’s 
assessment of the situation differs con- 
siderably from that given in the Press 
Report. As a matter of policy public 
sector banks, in examining a loan 
proposal from small scale units set up 
by technicians, adopt a need -based 
approach and look more mto the viabi- 
lity of the project, the know-how of the 
technician and his competence to imple- 
ment the project than other factors like 
security, margin, etc. However, there 
may well be some cases of hardships 
and if specific cases are brought to the 
notice of the Government, they will be 
looked into. Government will also 
consider carefully any specific sugges- 
tion for improving the system of exten- 
ding credit facilities to small scale units 
especially those set up by technical 
entrepreneurs. 

Allegations of Malpractices indulged in 
by Foreign Airlines operating in India 

2739. SHRI P. K. DEO : 

SHRI B. S. BHAURA : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there are allegations of 
malpractices indulged in by foreign 
airlines operating in India ; 


(c) The following measures have 
been taken to deal with the situation 

(i) Reduced return excursion fares 
have been introduced between the 
USA and India ; 

(iij Special youth fares have been 
established between India and 
France ; 

(iii) A subsidiary company has been 
established by Air India for 
operation of charters; and 

(iv) A new rule has been incorporated 
in the Aircraft Rules, 1937, 
Whether by it is compulsory for 
all airlines to file their tariffs with 
the Director General of Civil 
Aviation. 

Apart from the above measures, a 
close watch is being maintained by the 
International Airports Authority of 
India enforcement organisation as well 
as our own governmental authorities 
concerned with the infringement of 
Foreign Exchange Regulations. 

Steps to meet the requirements of Hotel 
Accommodation for Foreign Tourists 

2740. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether any estimates have been 
made regarding the future demands for 
hotel accommodation for foreign 
tourists ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ; 

(c) what is the total hotel accommo- 
dation available at present ; and 

(d) how do Government propose to 
meet the requirements in full ? 


(b) whether attention of Government 
has been invited t 0 a report in the 
“Economic Times” dated 17th July, 72 
under the caption “Foul play by foreign 
airlmes-curbs in the offing” and 

(c) if so, the action proposed to be 
taken for curbing such malpractices by 
foreign airlines? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURIS1 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DF 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Ye 
Sir. Government are aware that som 
international airlines indulge in ma 
practices to lure traffic. 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) and (b). Yes, 
Sir. It is estimated that approximately 
8,700 additional rooms will be needed 
to meet the requirements of 4,00,000 
tourist arrivals expected in 1973. 

(c) The total available capacity in 
hotels which have been approved by the 
Department of Tourism from the point 
of view of their suitability for foreign 
tourists, is at present 10,437 rooms. 

(d) Government have offered incen- 
tives including direct loan assistance to 



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private parties for construction of addi- 
tional accommodation and have also 
undertaken construction direct and 
through Public Sector Corporations like 
the India Tourism Development Corpo- 
ration and Air India. As the demand 
for accommodation will continue to be 
larger than supply in the near future, 
it will be difficult to meet it in full at 
any particular point of time. 

Proposal to set up three Hotels by Indian 
Tobacco Company 

2741* SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Tobacco 
Company’s proposal to set up three 
hotels has been approved by Govern- 
ment ; 

(b) whether Government have impo- 
sed any condition in approving the 
proposal ; and 

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 


considered it essential to patrol our 
coastal waters. The protection of our 
long coast line and island territories 
required a very large number of boats. 
While the construction of various types 
of boats/ ships for the purpose is being 
taken, due to the long time taken in 
such construction and the financial con- 
straints, it is difficult to commit by 
which time it would be possible to say 
that the entire number of boats/ ships, 
are available. 

Dealership of Indane Gas to persons 
connected with the Ministry of petrole- 
um and Chemicals 

2743. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of persons connected 
with his Ministry, including himself, 
who have secured dealership of Indane 
Gas during the last three years ; 

(b) the names of places where such 
dealership has been given ; and 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) to (c). The 
proposal has been approved in principle 
subject to the condition that 60% of the 
actual cost of the projects will be raised 
in the form of additional equity ear- 
marked for Indians only ; the issue of 
capital to Indians is completed within 
two years from the date of issue of the 
letter of approval, and that wherever 
applicable the permission or clearance 
as may be required under the provisions 
of the Monopolies & Restrictive Trade 
Practices Act, 1969 shall be invariably 
obtained from the appropriate authorities 
before instituting any effective steps for 
implementing the approval. 

Patrolling along the coasts 


(c) on what considerations such 
dealership was given ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) So far as could be 
ascertained from records no one con- 
nected with the Ministry of Petroleum 
and Chemicals has been granted Indane 
Gas distributorship during the last three 
years. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Permission of sale of small Arms to Ci- 
tizens holding Licences 

2744. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 


2742. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have taken 
decision to undertake patrolling all along 
the country’s coast to ensure safety of 
territorial waters by building boats ; 
and 

(b) if so, when such measures are 
likely to materialise ? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and 
(b). The Government have 


(a) whether the sale of small arms 
like revolver, pistols and rifles have 
been pemiiUed to citizens holding 
licences ; and 

(b) if so, at what centres and if not, 
the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE 
(DEFENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) 

Yes, Sir. 

(b) Currently 12 Bore DBBL Shot 
Guns and .315 Sporting Rifles manu- 



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Written Answers 146 


factored by the Ordnance Factories are 
sold to citizens bolding appropriate 
licences through authorised Arms 
dealers, all over the country. 

Foreign Exchange utilised on Import 
of Raw Materials for Fertilizers 


2745. SHRI S. N. MISRA: Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state: 

(a) how much foreign exchange has 
been utilised on import of raw mate- 
rials for fertilizers m India in the 
years 1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72; 

(b) whether it is not possible to 
substitute such imports by indigenous 
raw materials; 

(c) whether any research is being 
conducted in this direction; and 

(d) if so, where? 


THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE) : (a) The foreign ex- 
change expended on the import of the 
two main raw materials needed for 
furtihzer production, viz., Sulphur and 
rock phosphate is as under : 

(Rs. Tores) 

1969- 70 . . . i9 02 

1970- 71 . 24 25 

1971- 72 . . 22 11 

A portion of the sulphur imported 
was also used by other industries as 
well. The separate figure for the ferti- 
lizer industry is not available. 

(b) To some extent locally available 
pyrites and rock phosphates arc already 
being used in the fertilizer industry and 
every effort is being made to make 
increasing use of these indigenous raw 
materials. Towards this end feasibility 
study had been undertaken for the 
scientific exploitation of the pyrites 
and rock phosphate deposits in Rajas- 
than. The dependence on elemental 
sulphur is also being reduced by using 
nitric acid instead of sulphuric acid for 
production of nitrophosphates. 

(c) and (id). The necessary infor- 
mation is being collected and will be 
placed on the Table of the House. 


Cases referred to MbnopoHes and Res* 

trictive Trade Practices Commission 

2746. SHRI S. N. MISRA : Will the 
Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state: 

(a) how many cases are pending 
clearance before the Monopolies and 
Trade Practices Commission as on 
30th June, 1972; 

(b) when is the Monopolies and Res- 
trictive Trade Practices Commission 
going to be expanded; and 

(c) the manner in which the per- 
sonnel of this Commission have been 
appointed? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : (a) The number of appli- 
cations under Chapter III of the MRTP 
Act pending clearance with the Com- 
mission is ten. Eleven agreements re- 
ferred to the Commission by the Regis- 
trar of Rdstrictjive Trade Agreements 
under Chapter V are also pending en- 
quiry by the Commission. 

(b) There i,s no immediate proposal 
for increase in the strength of the Com- 
mission, which now stands only at the 
statutory minimum. The question of 
expansion is under consideration with 
reference to the likely future work- 
load. 

(c) The Chairman and the two 
members of the Commission have been 
appointed by the Central Government 
under section 5 of the M.R.T.P. Act 
having regard to the criteria laid down 
in sub-sections (2) and (3) of that 
Section. As regards the officers and staff 
appointed in the Commission, they have 
mainly been drawn by taking persons 
on deputation from Central/State Gov- 
ernments pending finalisation of the 
rules and regulations governing the 
recruitment and conditions of service 
in regard to their posts. 

Tourist Centre Planned to be Developed 
in 1972-73 


2747. SHRI S N. MISRA: Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount spent on tourism. 
State-wise, for the last three years; 



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(b) the new places that have been 
developed as Tourist Centres in 1971- 
72; and 

(c) the new Centres planned to be 
developed in 1972-73? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) A statement is 
laid on the Table of this House. 

[ Placed in Library . See No. LT 3430/ 
72]. 

(b) The development of the tourist 
infrastructure is a continuous process 
and is spread-over many years. In 
1971-72 developmental woik in con- 
nection with the Central tounsm 
schemes was undertaken at Gulmarg, 
Kovalam, Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary, 
Elephanta, Sanchi, Madras, Jaipur, 
Bhopal, Srinagar, Sabarmati Ashram, 
Jaisalmer, Hyderabad, Kosi Kalan, 
Mahabalipuram, Calcutta, Varanasi, 
Jammu, Khajuraho, Hassan, Bangalore 
and Udaipur. 

(c) In 1972-73, in addition to the 
continuation of the above works, con- 
struction of (i) rest houses would be 
taken up in the wild life and bird 
sanctuaries of Corbett, Kalesar, Kazi- 
ranga, Gir, Bandipur, Dandeli, Kanha, 
Jaldapara and Nailsarovar, (ii) youth 
hostels at Aurangabad, Hyderabad, 
Nainital, Hampi, Patnitop, Trivandrum, 
Puri, Darjeeling, Goa, Gandhinagar, 
Pondicherry, Panchkula, Dalhousie, 
and Amritsar, (iii) tourist bungalows 
at Gauhati, Rameshwaram, Dharamsala, 
Mantrallaya Warangal, Porbandar, 
Ludhiana, Hassan (Dormitory type), 
Darjeeling, Jogfalls, Surajkud, Shirdi, 
Poona, Pandharpur and Daruhera, (iv) 
Reception Centres at Patna, Simla, 
Agra and Jaipur and (v) Camping 
sites at Panaji, Bannarghata, Baripada, 
Jaipur, Faraka, Bombay, Ketedan, 
Kulu-Manali, Highway, Mirthal, 
Dewas, Surajkund, Malappuram, Delhi, 
and Madras-Mahabalipuram Road. 

Apart from the above. Transport 
Units were established by the India 
Tourism Development Corporation in 
1971-72 at Bangalore, Hassan and 
Udaipur and the Department of Tou- 
rism arranged mini-buses for the use of 
tourists in the Sanctuaries of Bharat- 
pur, Sariska, Gir, Corbett, Kaziranga, 
Kanha, Dandeli, Bandipur and Madu- 
malai. In 1972-73, the India Tourism 
Development Corporation proposes to 
establish transport units at Ahmedabad, 


Jammu, Kovalam, Bhubaneswar, 

Varanasi, Lucknow, Calcutta and 
Chandigarh. 

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Short Fall in non-project Aid 

2749. SHRI GIRIDHAR GO- 
MANGO : Will the Minisbter of 
FINANCE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there has been a short- 
fall in non-project aid to India during 
1971-72; 

(b) if so, whether this is due to less 
contribution by U.S.A.; and 

(c) if so, to what extent there was 
a shortfall? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN): 
(a) to (c). As against indications of 
non-project assistance of $588 million 
(including debt relief) for the year 
1971-72 given at the Aid-India Con- 
sortium meeting held in June, 1971 
agreements have been signed with vari- 
ous Consortium member-countries for 
non-project assistance (including debt 



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relief) to the extent of $303 million. 
The major portion of the shortfall of 
nearly $285 million is due to the United 
States not making any fresh commit- 
ments other than debt relief for the 
U. S. Fiscal Year ending June 30, 1972. 

Setting up of a New Explosive 
Factory In Public Sector 

2750. SHRI C. K. JAFFER 

SHARIEF : 

SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK: 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Govern- 
ment to start a new explosives factory 
in the public sector; and 

(b) if so, its location and the main 
features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : (a) 

Yes, Sir. 

(b) The factory will be located near 
Itarsi in Madhya Pradesh. It will pro- 
duce propellants to meet the increased 
requirements of Defence. The rough 
estimated cost of the project is Rs. 67 
crorss and it will take about 6 years 
from the date of sanction to complete. 

Scheme to Encourage Travel 
within the Country 

2751. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA- 
RIEF: Will the Minister of TOURISM 
& CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have work- 
ed out any new scheme to encourage 
travel within the country by providing 
some facilities; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH: (a) and (b). The 
necessary infra-structure is being built 
up and improved. Government have 
allocated funds for loans for the con- 
struction of hotelsl and the purchase 
of tourist transport. Youth hostels, re- 
ception centres, rest houses, game 
sanctuaries and camping sites are also 
being constructed. 


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1.51 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18* |972 


Written Answers 152 


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Submission of Report Regarding Coordi- 
nation between State Finance Corpora- 
tion and Commercial Banks 

2755. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Working Group ap- 
pointed by the Reserve Bank of India 
under the Chairmanship of Shri R. K. 
Talwar to go into the question of co- 
ordination between State Finance Cor- 
porations <and commdiVtfal banks has 
submitted its report; 

(b) if so, the action taken by Gov- 
ernment to implement the recommen- 
dations made by the Study Group; and 

(c) whether any action has been 
taken for streamlining the proce- 
dures and for removing the deficiencies 
in the working of the State Finance 
Corporations which were discussed at 
the conference of the Chairman and 
Managing Directors of the State 
Finance Corporations convened on 4th 
November, 1971? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 


(b) Does not arise. 

(c) (i) The Reserve Bank of India 
has suggested certain amendments to 
the State Financial Corporations Act 
for flexibility in operations and widen- 
ing their functions. These are under 
consideration in consultation with the 
State Governments. 

(ii) For strengthening the set-up 
of State Financial Corporations, Re- 
serve Bank of India has decided to 



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SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 154 


depute Study Teams comprising its 
■offi cia ls and technical officers from the 
Industrial Development Bank of India 
to discuss with each State Financial 
Corporation various issues so as to 
assess their staff requirement for pro- 
ject appraisal, disbursement, follow-up 
etc. 

Enquiry into the Crash of a Naval Plane 
near Panaji 

2756. SHRI M. S. SIVASAMY: 
’Will the Minister of DEFENCE be' 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether any enquiry has been 
held in regard to the crash of a naval 
plane on 21st July, 1972 near Panaji; 

(b) if so, the outcome thereof? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE 
(SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) Proceedings of the Board of 
Enquiry are under examination. 


Recommendations made by Institute of 
Economic Growth Regarding Raising of 
Bank Deposits 

2757. SHRI RAM GOPAL REDDY: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Institute of Eco- 
nomic Growth has recommended rais- 
ing of bank deposits and advance rates; 
and 


Use of “Rejuvenated” Batteries 
In Aircraft by tnrffan Airtimes 


2758. SHRI M. 
REDDY: Will the 
RISM AND CIVIL 
pleased to state: 


RAM GOPAL 
Minister of TOU- 
AVIATTON be 


(a) the amount spent yearly on the 
import of batteries for Indian Airlines; 

(b) whether Indian Airlines has used 
‘rejuvenated’ batteries in the aircraft 
in past; and 


(c) if so, the reasons for not using 
‘rejuvenated’ batteries now? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) During 1971-72 
Indian Airlines imported batteries and 
battery blocks costing Rs. 3,37,524.85. 

(b) No, Sir However batteries are 
serviced, and if necessary, individual 
cells are replaced. 


(c) Does not arise. 


Proposal to enquire into the Working of 
Foreign Airlines In India 

2759. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a proposal to 
enquire into the working of fjoiteign 
airlines in India; and 

(b) if so, the terms of reference of 
the proposed enquiry? 


(b) if so, the decision taken thereon? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) and (b). 
For the consideration of the Banking 
Commission, two experts of the Insti- 
tute of Economic Growth had prepared 
a technical study entitled “An Eco- 
nometric Model of Banking in India” 
in which, among other things, the im- 
plications of raising of interest rates 
on bank deposits and bank advances 
were also examined. In preparing its 
reports the Banking Commission had 
taken into account the technical studies 
submitted to it. Currently the Banking 
Commission’s report is under consi- 
deration of Government. 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) No such pro- 
posal is under consideration. 

(b) Does not arise. 

v 

Credit to Priority Sectors and Weaker 
Sections by Public Sector Banks 

2760. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY: Will the Minister of 
FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the percentage of branch-expan- 
sion and credit to priority-sectors and 
weaker sections of the Public Sector 
Banks during the last year, Stale-wise; 
and 



155 Written Answers 


AVGUST. 18, 1^72 


Written Answers 156 


(b) the steps taken* or proposed to 
be taken to remedy, the imbalance in 
this regard? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI- 
MATI SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) 

Statements I and II giving the desired 
inf ormations are laid on the Table of 
the House, [Placed in Library. See No. 
LT— 3431/72] 


(b) Inter-State disparities are being 
narrowed down by deliberately pursuing 
a policy of vigorous branch expansion 
programme in unbanked and under- 
banked areas. Also, steps are being 
taken to ensure adequate organisational 
machinery, to simplify lending policies 
and procedures and to establish greater 
rapport with the State Governments oy 
active association of the banks with 
the various Co-ordination Committees. 


Loan Sanctioned for Construction of a 
Tourist Hotel in Tirupathl District 
Chittoor, Andhra Pradesh 


2761. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 


(a) whether any loan has been sanc- 
tioned for constructing a Tourist Hotel 
at Tirupathi in District Chittoor, 
Andhra Pradesh; 


(b) if so, how much and to whom; 
and 


(c) whether loan assistance for 
constructing one more such hotel there 
is proposed to be given? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SNGH) : (a) No, Sir. 


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Additional Employment generated in 
Nationalised Banking Sector 

2763. SHRI B. V. NAIK: Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state the additional employment gene- 
rated in the nationalised banking sec- 
tor after the nationalisation of 14 
banks? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): Information 
is being collected and will be laid on 
the Table of the House. 

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x^t | ritx amr-xxar xx xarrit arrqrft i 


(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

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137 ‘ Written Answers 


SRAVANA, 27, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 


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Number of Internatioual Fligbti Origi- 
nating annually from Dam Dam Airport 

2769. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 

(a) the number of International 
flights originating annually on an aver- 
age from Dum Dum Airport; and 

(b) whether Government propose to 
take a decision to the effect that all 
international flights to Far Eastern 
countries will originate from Dum Dum 
Airport? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH): (a) Presently 63 
flights per week are operated to/ through 
Calcutta airport by foreign carriers. 
Additionally, Air India and Indian Air- 
lines operate 43 international flights 
every week through this airport. 

(b) The operation of international 
flights by foreign airlines to/through 
India and by the national carriers 
to/ through foreign countries, is govern- 
ed by bilateral agreements/ arrange- 
ments which take into account commer- 
cial considerations. As such, it is not 
feasible to lay down that all inter- 
national flights will originate from a 
particular point. 

Development of Jaldapara Sanctuary 
in West Bengal as A Tourist Spot on 
the Pattern of Kaziranga Sanctuary In 
Assam 

2770. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI: Will the Minister of TOU- 
RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government propose to 
talce some positive steps to save single- 
horned Rhino in Jaldapara Sanctuary 
in West Bengal from extermination in 
order that this place may be developed 
as a tourist spot on the pattern of 
Kaziranga sanctuary in Assam; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION (DR. 
KARAN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

Among the positive steps taken by the 
State Authorities to protect the Rhino- 
ceros in Jaldapara Sanctuary are : 



159 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Wrktt* Amaweh 180 


(1) Strengthening of Fewest De- 
partment protective Staff. 

(2) Posting of armed home 
guards. 

(3) Enlistment of Public Co- 
operation. 

(4) Proposal for the creation of 
an armed contingent in the Forest 
Directorate. 

(5) A Resolution under Article 
252 of the Constitution of India 
adopted by the State Assembly 
authorising Parliament to enact on 
behalf of West Bengal, legislation 
on Wild Life to provide deterrent 
punishment for offences relating to 
the killing of wild life including 
rhinos, and illegal possession of 
trophies and animal products. 

(6) The Department of Tourism 
plans to put up a rest house with ten 
double rooms at Jaldapara Wild 
Life Sanctuary at an estimated cost 
of Rs. 3.27 lakhs. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Demand of Employees of the H.A.L. 
Barrackpore (West Bengal) for Modern 
Aircraft Factory 


2771. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI: Will the Minister of DE- 
FENCE be pleased to state whether 
the employees of the Branch factory 
of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited 
at Barrackpore. West Bengal had long 
beat demanding a new project for 
manufacturing modern aircraft and 
for converting the factory into a divi- 
sional factory; and if so, the action so 
far taken by Government to meet their 
demands? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE (DE- 
FENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA) : The 
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited Em- 
ployees’ Association at Barrackpore 
have been representing to the HAL 
Management for the provision of addi- 
tional work and allocation of new pro- 
jects to the factory in order to avoid 
possible retrenchment due to reduction 
in the work. The demand has been 


considered by HAL Management The 
Barrackpore Factory was established 
only for undertaking Overhaul of 
Dakota Aircraft and not for manufac- 
ture of Aircraft However, the Manage- 
ment of HAL has been trying to ex- 
plore the possibility of securing more 
work for the factory and also to find 
alternative jobs in other Divisions of 
the Company, for those employees who 
may be considered surplus to the re- 
quirements of the Barrackpore factory. 


Progress in the establishment of Caustic 
Soda Factory in District North Kanara 
(Mysore) 

2772. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM and CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the progress made in the establish- 
ment of the Caustic Soda Factory in Dis- 
trict North Kanara of Mysore State ; 

(b) the amount of money spent there- 
on so far by Government of Mysore 
with amount on the water supply 
scheme of the factory, separately, My- 
sore Industrial Area Development Cor- 
poration and M/s Ballarpur Paper and 
Straw Boards Limited; 

(c) whether the expenditure by M/s 
Ballarpur Paper and Straw Boards 
Limited kept pace with the time chart in 
the project report and if not, the reasons 
therefor; and 

(d) when the factory will be commis- 
sioned? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : (a) to (d). Information is 
being collected and will be laid on the 
Table of the House as early as possible. 


Steps to relax and eliminate restrictions 
on Industries Manufacturing Petroleum 
Products and Chemicals 

2773. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM and 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state the 
steps taken by Government to relax re- 
strictions on industries manufacturing 
petroleum products and chemicals and 
eliminate restrictions in the way of de- 
velopment of these industries? 



16$ Written Answers 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) Written Alters 162 


THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE) : In regard to petroleum refining, 
it is the Government's policy to promote 
future projects only in the public sector, 
unless expansion of the private sector is 
warranted by considerations of public 
interest being served. 

In regard to chemical industries, it has 
been decided — as a part of general policy 
— to consider cases for fuller utilization 
of capacity in specified fields. General- 
ly seaking, a long-term view of product 
requirements is taken while considering 
establishment of new capacity and, in 
certain cases, licensing of capacity is not 
restricted by demand constraints. 

Petro-Chemlcals Projects to be com- 
pleted in the near future 

2774. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM and 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state the 
names of Petro-Chemical Projects like- 
ly to be completed in the near future? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH) : In the public sector, the 
Gujarat Aromatics Project, which will 
produce DMT, Ortho-Xylene and Mix- 
ed Xylenes, is expected to go on stream 
during the next few months. The major 
projects likely to be completed in the 
private sector in the current year are 
three synthetic fibre plants. In 1973, 
another two synthetic fibre projects and 
one Caprolactam Project are expected 
to go on stream. 

Introduction of teller system in Nation- 
alised Banks to over-come Delays in 
encashment of Cheques 

2775. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PAUL : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleas- 
ed to state: 

(a) whether it takes unduly a long 
time to encash cheques in the nationalis- 
ed banks; 

(b) whether any survey has been made 
to find out the average time taken for 
encashing cheques in different Nationalis- 
ed banks; and 

(c) whether Government have consi- 
dered the desirability of introducing 
Teller System* in all the Banks? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 

The ministry of finance 

(SHRI K. R. GANESH): 00 U> (c). No 
Survey has been conducted to find out 
the average time taken for encashing 
cheques in the nationalised or other 
banks. Banks are constantly endeavour- 
ing to reduce the waiting time of the 
Customers at the counter and as a step 
in this direction, some of the nationalis- 
ed banks have already introduced the 
Tblkr System* at certain important 
branches. The recommendation of the 
Banking Commission in this regard for 
infroduction of the Teller System’ in 
all banks at all important branches is 
under Government’s active considera- 
tion. 

Pnrbancbal Bank 

2776. SHRI BIBHUTI M1SHRA : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a new institution named 
Purbanchal Bank would be set up at 
Gauhati to take effectively to the needs 
of the whole north eastern region; 

(b) if so, total population to be serv- 
ed thereby; and 

(c) its effect on the economy of the 
Purbanchal region? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH) : (a) to (c). 
The Purbanchal Bank Ltd. started func- 
tioning from the 3rd July, 1972. It 
would cater to the banking needs of the 
eastern region comprising the territories 
of Assam, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tri- 
pura, Manipur, Mizoram ana Arunachal 
Pradesh having total population of 
195.82 lakhs according to the 1971 cen- 
sus. 


Solution of* dispute in Avadi Factory* 
Madras 

2777. SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Chief Minister, Tamil 
Nadu, has offered his services to the 
Union Minister of Defence Production 
to help solve Avadi Factory dispute; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction there- 
to? 



163 Written Answers 


AUGUST 18, 1972 Written Answers 


164 


THE MINISTER OF STATE 
(DEFENCE PRODUCTION) IN THE 
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
VIDYA CHARAN SttUKLA) : (a) 
and (b). The Government welcome the 
offer of help by Tamil Nadu Chief 
Minister to Raksha Utpadan Mantri 
during the industrial unrest in Heavy 
Vehicles Factory, Avadi. 


Starting of driling at Baramura (Tri- 
pura) by O.N.G.C 

2778. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any new rig is proposed 
to be installed at Baramura (Tripura) 
for drilling operations; and 

(b) if so, where and when? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE) : (a) O.N.G.C. is planning to 
deploy one more rig in Tripura. 

(b) The second rig will be utilised for 
drilling Gojalia or any other structure 
close to Baramura where O.N.G.C. has 
released drilling locations. It can be ex- 
pected to go into operation in about 1-| 
years, considering the time likely to be 
taken for various preparatory steps in- 
cluding import of certain equipment 
needed for drilling. 

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165 ‘ Reported Crisis in SRAVANA 27, 1894 {SAKA) Powerloom industry 166 

in Maharashtra [C.A.) 


12.04 hrs. 

CALLING ATTENTION TO 
MATTER OF URGENT 
PUBLIC IMPORTANCE 

REPORTED CRISIS IN POWERLOOM IN- 
DUSTRY IN MAHARASHTRA 

SHRI DHAMANKAR (Bhivandi) : 

I call the attention of the Minister of 
Foreign Trade to the following matter 
of urgent public importance and I re- 
quest that he may make a statement 
thereon : 

“The reported crisis in the power- 
loom industry in Maharashtra due 
to scarcity and soaring prices of 
cotton yarn, nylon, rayon and sta- 
ple yarn and the steps proposed by 
the Government to meet the situa- 
tion.” 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA): The 
statement is a very long one running to 
seven pages May, I lay it on the Table 
of the House? 

MR. SPEAKER : He can lay it on 
the Table of the House. And the Mem- 
bers concerned may ask questions 
about it. 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : I lay the 
statement on the Table of the House. 

Statement 

During the Fourth Plan period, the 
development of the powerloom industry 
is solely the responsibility of the State 
Governments concerned. The Maha- 
rashtra Government have already set up 
a Corporation for powerlooms. This 
Corporation is required to oversee the 
working of the powerloom industry in 
Maharashtra in all its aspects and take 
up with the Textile Commissioner, who 
is located in Bombay, such issues as may 
require the assistance of the Central 
Government for their solution. It is 
understood that Textile Commissioner 
has not been approached by the Corpo- 
ration or the Maharashtra Government 
with complaints of scarcity or soaring 
prices of * different types of yarn. If the 
Honourable Members so wish, they may, 
or even I can, take up the problems of 
powerloom sector with Maharashtra 
Government. I may add that a Work- 
’ ing Group on Handlooms and Power- 
looms has recently been set up by my 


Ministry. The Textile Commissioner is 
its Chairman. It will go into the pro- 
blems and difficulties of these Sectors in 
different States. 

2., The powerloom industry in Maha- 
rashtra, as in other States, has been pass- 
ing through a difficult period. 

COTTON YARN 

3. In so far as cotton yarn is concern- 
ed, while there has been no difficulty 
regarding availability and prices upto 
40s counts have not misbehaved, there 
has been a price hike in counts above 
60s. The factors responsible for this 
situation were a 45 days strike in the 
Coimbatore cluster of mills, power-cuts 
in the States of Tamil Nadu, Maharash- 
tra and Gujarat, and exports, regulated 
and non-regulated, to Bangla Desh. To 
rectify the situation, the Textile Com- 
missioner held a series of meetings 
with the Indian Cotton Mills’ Federa- 
tion and the South India Millowners’ As- 
sociation. The industry ultimately 
agreed to make 50% of the quantity to 
be packed by each mill for civil deli- 
veries available to the State Govern- 
ments at reduced prices. This Scheme 
came into force from 1st August, 1972. 
In the first instance, indents are to be 
sent by the State Governments to the 
Textile Commissioner who would then 
get them serviced. This Scheme is of 
a veiy recent origin. 1 may, however, 
mention that due notice has been taken 
of the difficulties being experienced by 
the powerloom sector in Maharashtra in 
respect of higher counts of cotton yarn 
and an ad hoc allotment of 1684 cases 
(of 100 kgs. each) has already been made 
in favour of the Maharashtra Govern- 
ment. I understand that this release has 
arrested, to some extent, the spiralling 
trend in prices. 

nylon Yarn 

4. There is a voluntary agreement 
effective from the 1st March, 1972, bet- 
ween the spinners and weavers of nylon 
yarn regulating the prices of different 
deniers of nylon. The prices agreed to 
are given below : — 


Denier 

Ex-factory selling price 
(Rs. per kg.) 

12 

82 00 

15 

74 00 

20 

70 00 



167 Rsportsd Crisis tit 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Powerloom Industry 168 
in Maharashtra (C. A.) 


Denier 

Ex-factory selling price 
<Jfc per kg.) 

30 

68 00 

40 

62 00 

76 

60-00 

90 

53 00 

105 

51 00 


The spinners have been maintaining 
the agreed prices. 

5. The production of nylon filament 
yarn in the country during the 6 months, 
January to June, 1972, was of the order 
of 5,520 tonnes as compared to the total 
production of 9,800 tonnes during 1971. 
The stocks of imported nylon yarn in 
stock with the State Trading Corpora- 
tion is 1100 tonnes. The STC was in- 
structed to reduce its selling price to the 
level of the voluntary agreement prices 
on 19-6-72. They have reduced the 
prices of imported nylon yarn with effect 
from 1st March, 1972 (the date from 
which the voluntary agreement prices be- 
came effective). 

6. There is no problem regarding 
availability of nylon yam nor is Gov- 
ernment aware of any increases in the 
prices of nylon yam. Government have 
also not received any representation 
from the trade or SASMA (Silk & Art 
Silk Mills Association) on this point. 
If there is any difficulty in getting in- 
digenous nylon yam at the agreed prices, 
the imported nylon yam lying with STC 
could be released on cash and carry 
basis. 

7. State Trading Corporation have 
issued relea§e orders for 750 tonnes of 
imported nylon yam to SASMA, which 
serves Maharashtra weavers also. Signi- 
ficantly this yarn has not so far been 
lifted. Had there been scarcity as men- 
tioned by Hon’ble Members, not only 
would this quantity have been taken, 
but there would have been a hue and 
cry for more. 

8. I may further clarify that State 
Trading Corporation is in a position to 
import requisite quantities of nylon yam 
in the event of shortage. The procedure 
evolved in this behalf is that Silk and 
Art Silk Mills Association and other As- 
sociations will have to place denier-wise 


indents with State Trading Corpo- 
ration, backed by bank guarantees. 
Thereafter State Trading Corporation 
will take immediate action to import 
nylon yam. This stage has not so far 
been reached during the current year. 


VISCOSE RAYON FILAMENT 
YARN 

9. There is a voluntary agreement bet- 
ween the spinners and weavers of rayon 
filament yam effective from the 1st 
January, 1972, which envisages the fol- 
lowing arrangement: — 

(a) 10 per cent of the production will 
be reserved by the spinners to be 
supplied as replenishment against 
export of rayon filament fabrics 
at the rate of Rs. 7.00 per kg. 

(b) 60.5 per cent of the production 
will be distributed to actual users 
at the following fixed prices : — 


Deniers 

Prices (Rs. per kg.) 
(incl. excise duty) 

300 

12 69 

180 

12-77 

150 

12-90 

120 

14-35 

100 

16 85 

75 

2150 

60 

28-50 

55 

33-40 

40 

36-90 

30 

45-90 

(c) The balance of production to be 
sold by the spinners in open mar- 
ket. 


10. The distribution of viscose fila- 
ment yarn is done through a Central 
Committee of spinners and weavers posi- 
tioned in Bombay. This Committee dis- 
tributes viscose filament yarn through re- 
gional committes formed in different 
States. These regional committes in- 
clude representatives of spinners and 
weavers as members. 

11. There is no State-wise control on 
distribution of vise os filament yam. The 
total production during the six months 
January to Jqne, 1972, has been of die 
order of 19,896 tonnes as against the 
total production of 37,034 tonnes during 



169 toMrHd €diU in SRAVANA27, 


1971. _ n» Govmunent is not aware of 
any nse in prices in the rayon filament 
yarn industry. The spinners have not in- 
creased the voluntary agreement prices. 
Government has not received any com- 
plaints either about scarcity of viscose 
filament yam or its market prices pierc- 
mg the Agreement prices. If any speci- 
fic instance of malpractices is brought to 
my notice, it will be gone into immedia- 
tely. 

STAPLE FIBRE YARN 

12. The . total production of staple 
fibre yarn in the country is of the order 
of 50,000 bales per month. Out of this 
20,000 bales are produced by spinning 
mills who are members of South India 
Millowners’ Association. 27,000 bales 
are produced by member mills of Man- 
made Fibre Spinners Association. Manu- 
facturers of 3,000 bales of staple fibre 
yarn are not members of any Associa- 
tion. 

13. In February, 1972 a voluntary 
agreement was reached between the 
MMFSA and weavers. Under this 
Agreement, quantities to be given to 
each State were pegged down to previ- 
ous year’s consumption in proportion to 
the quantities under the control of the 
Association. A mutually agreed price 
structure was also devised. 50% of the 
quantity to be given to each State was 
to be released at the agreed price and 
the remaining quantity was permitted 
for free sale. 

14. In April, 1972, the Governments 
and the weavers of U.P. and Punjab as- 
sailed the price structure. They stress- 
ed that the entire quantity should be re- 
leased at a fixed price. Their complaint 
was that while 50% of the quantity was 
being given at a lower rate, the remain- 
ing quantity was being sold at grossly 
higher prices. The Government accept- 
ed the request that the entire quantity 
being given by MMFSA to each State 
should be given at a uniform price which 
was slightly higher than the agreed price 
under the Agreement. 

15. Since the entire quantity was to 
be distributed at a uniform rate, which 
was the same as the SIMA rate, a new 
distribution pattern was devised and en- 
forced from lsFIflay, 1972 onwards. 
This, however, created imbalance in dis- 
tribution. Since the entire production 
was to be sold at uniform rate in differ- 
ent States, the quantity falling in 


1894 (SAKA) Pawerloom industry 170 
in Maharashtra (C. A .) 

50% quota merged with the free sale 
quota. Complaints came that yarn was 
not becoming available in requisite 
quantities in some States. On 3rd June, 
1972, the Textile Commissioner took a 
meeting of State Governments (includ- 
ing Maharashtra), weavers and spinners. 
The main decisions taken at this meet- 
ing were that the supplies would be rout- 
ed through the concerned Director of 
Industries, that allocations upto 30th 
April, 1972 should be completed latest 
by 30th June, 1972, that the Director of 
Industries and the spinners should meet 
frequently to sort out local problems, 
and that quarterly requirements should 
be conveyed to the spinners, denier-wise, 
by the Directors of Industries. 

16. There was some delay in imple- 
menting these decisions. The Scheme, 
has, however, come into full operation 
during the current month. MMFSA 
have made an allotment of 2300 bales 
to Maharashtra on 8th August, 1972. 
This represents about 60% of the re- 
quirements of the State based on past 
consumption. The remaining quantity 
will have to be obtained from SIMA or 
other manufacturers whd are not mem- 
bers of either Association. 

17. Staple fibre yarn is immediately 
in short supply. Tbe entire production 
depends upon production of staple fibre 
by the Nagda and Mayoor plants of 
Gwalior Rayons and to a very limited 
extent South Indian Voscose. 

SHRI DHAMANKAR: I received 
the statement just about two minutes 
ago, and so, it has not been possible for 
me to go through it in detail. The state- 
ment should have been given to us at 
least half an hour earlier, so that we 
could have gone through the points men- 
tioned in the statement. Still, I would 
like to know certain facts from the hon. 
Minister. . 

As we all know, nearly 60 per cent of 
the powerloom industry is situated in 
Maharashtra alone. Out of 2 lakhs 
powerlooms, nearly 1,10,000 powerlooms 
are in Maharashtra. The big centres are 
Bhiwandi, Malegaon, Ichalkaranji, Dhu- 
lia. Nagpur and some parts of Mara- 
thwada. Besides these, there are certain 

S werlooms in Madhya Pradesh. UP, 
iar and other parts of the country. 

During the last six months, the prices 
of cotton yarn have been soaring like 



171 Reported Crisis in ■ 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Powerloom industry 172 
in Maharashtra (C. A ) 


yShri Dhamankar] 

anything. The price increase has been 
ranging from 50 to 75 or 80 per cent in 
the case of this cotton yarn. Govern- 
ment have been trying to meet this situ- 
ation by various means. Firstly, under 
tfte pool system, they allotted coarse 
yarn of 40 counts for the powerlooms, 
but this system has not worked. Very 
recently, they introduced the voluntary 
agreement system with the millowners 
under which the millowners have agreed 
to supply fine cotton yarn to the power- 
loom association for distribution. But 
the fact is that the weavers are not get- 
ting it. When the associations approach 
the millowners they say that they have 
to fulfil the export commitment first and 
then only they would look to the needs 
of the powerloom sector. This has 
created a rise in the price of cotton yarn 
This has been going on for almost six to 
eight months. I am sorry to state that 
nearly 50 per cent of the powerlooms in 
the Maharashtra State are closed down 
for want of cotton yarn. The mill- 
owners have their own system of hoard- 
ing their yarn through banks and other 
financial institutions, and this has creat- 
ed an artificial shortage. The hon 
Minister in his statement at Patna said 
that there was no shortage of cotton 
yarn. It is a fact that there is no short- 
age, but this shortage has been created 
artificially by the millowners and big 
merchants who manage to get finances 
from the banks and who see that the 
yarn is hoarded and not supplied to 
the powerloom associations in time. 
This is the position with regard to cotton 
yarn. 

As regards nylon and staple and rayon 
yam, nearly 10,000 to 15,000 power- 
looms in Bhiwandi alone are working on 
these yarns. There is scarcity of these 
yarns also, and the industry is facing 
acute rise in prices; the prices have been 
rising continuously, and when they ap- 
proach the synthetic spinners, the latter 
say that they are short of raw material 
and Government are not releasing the 
required raw material as per their re- 
quirement and that there is some agree- 
ment that the spinners have entered into 
with the association. But finally we 
find that this has created an atmosphere 
of shortage in the market. They refuse 
to release the yarn at proper time, and 
the prices go very high. The weavers 
have to purchase yarn in the market at 
very heavy prices, and the spinners re- 
lease the nylon and staple and rayon 


yarn to these associations whenever it 
suits them. So, this scheme which has 
been voluntarily agreed to between the 
spinners and the association of power- 
looms is not being implemented pro- 
perly. So far as the agreement is con- 
cerned, the powerloom associations are 
always bound down by it, but the spin- 
ners are very reluctant to implement 
their part of the agreement and this has 
created hardship for the powerlooms. 

May I know from the hon. Minister 
whether Government will adopt a policy 
of freezing of the fine cotton varn and 
release it directly to the powerloom as- 
sociation instead of releasing it through 
the merchants and dalals? Secondly, 
may I know whether Government will 
give an assurance that the nylon, staple 
and rayon yarn will be supplied to the 
association in proper time and there will 
be no scope Tor creating artificial short- 
age and thereby adding to the increase 
in prices. 

I would like to know whether Gov- 
ernment have any scheme to implement 
all these arrangements agreed tc. 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : First I shall 
deal with cotton yarn. It is a fact that 
there has been a shortage of cotton yarn 
over 60s counts. For 40s and less 
counts, there is no scarcity. There is 
shortage of 60 counts and above be- 
cause of the difficulty of getting import- 
ed cotton from Egypt and Sudan. Be- 
cause of this, the price of 60s and above 
went up abnormally high. 

The prices of 40s and below counts 
have been at more or less the normal 
levels. However, in view of the fact 
that there have been difficulties for the 
weavers, we had a voluntary agreement 
in July which has come into force on 
the 1st August, that is, since the last 18 
days. A Committee under the chair- 
manship of the Textile Commissioner 
with a representative of the Indian Cot- 
ton Mills Federation and of the users, 
spinners, has also been formed. A 
watchdog committee has also been set 
up by the Textile Commissioner to look 
into the proper supply to weavers at 
prices fixed. I have not received any 
complaint during the last 18 days that 
there has been any violation of this 
voluntary agreement. 

As regards n$Ton, so far we have not 
received any complaint that there is any 
shortfall or short supply. About this 
also, there was an agreement in March. 
I do not want to read out the whole 



173 . Reported Crisis in SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) 


thing; it is a long one. But on the aver- 
age, there has been no increase in the 
price of yam. We have not received any 
representation from the trade on this 
point. 

Apart from this, the SST, STC main- 
tains a buffer stock of imported nylon 
yam which can be released to see that 
the prices do nbt go abnormally high. 
In my lengthy statement, I have tried to 
■explain the whole situation. A num- 
ber of questions were asked. That is 
why the statement is so long. I wanted 
to make it self-contained and state the 
position as it is today. 

sft wefta (TfaTPJT) : 

w Trfteir snrnT’r 34 
aft | % tttst <r vtf ^ft 

If f w ? 

«ft fa* : * qr snrm ^rrf 

if qr|$r «ft 1 are *r| ir^rrr f, 

arcfsf) * qrr tpr \ : 

For 20s — packet of 10 lbs. — in Janu- 
ary, it was 51 and today it is 47; for 
30s it was 59 and today it is 53; for 40s 
it was 70 and today it is 68. 

For 5 kg. bundles, for 20s it was 56 
and today it is 50; for 24s, it was 66 and 
today it is 53; tor 34s, it was 70 and to- 
day it is 67; for 40s it was 78 and today 
it is 69. 

Therefore, the prices are showing a 
downward trend. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE 
(Rajapur) : Before I ask certain ques- 
tions. I would like to point out that here 
wc have a lengthy statement of almost 
7 pages. We have raised a number of 
issues. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand- 
gaon): He himself said it is a long 
statement 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
1 want to express my agreement with 
him and also point out the consequences 
of supplying such a lengthy statement 
at such short notice. 

When we raise certain questions, it 
may happen that we have put cer- 
tain questions without going through all 
the details and it may become repetition. 
In fact, it would have been very helpful 
if the statement was given to us much 
•earlier. 


Powerloom industry 174 
in Maharashtra {C. A.) 

As far as the Call Attention notice 
is concerned, we hay® raised the issue 
of the powerloom crisis in Maharashtra, 
but since out of two lakh power looms, 
1,10,000 powerlooms are in Maha- 
rashtra, it s has really become a crisis, 
not only for the State of Maharashtra, 
but for the entire nation and only from 
that angle we have been interested in 
raising certain issues. 

At the very outset, I would like to 
know from the Minister whether it is 
not a fact that a number of powerloom 
centres, especially those entrepreneurs, 
who are small powerloom holders, find 
it extremely difficult to get the loans 
from the nationalised banks? When the 
banks were nationalised, one of the con- 
siderations was that as far as the small 
entrepreneurs are concerned, and as far 
as the backward sections of society are 
concerned, it should be possible for 
them to eliminate all the normal techni- 
cal difficulties in getting adequate loans 
from the nationalised banks. 

I can quote a number of instances. 1 
do not want to go into details. But for 
Bhiwandi, Malegaon, Ichalkaranji, etc., 
we have factual data, that when the ap- 
plication are made by these people to 
get loans from the nationalised banks 
for their powerloom, industry, it is very 
difficult to get the loans, and as a result 
of that, a lot of difficulties are creat- 
ed. 

1 would again like to know, in spite of 
the statement that has been initially 
made by the Minister, whether it is not 
a fact that as far as * the problems ot 
pricing and distribution and the availabi- 
lity of yarn is concerned, there are 
a number of difficulties, and they have 
really posed a problem, and have creat- 
ed a crisis in the powerloom industry. 
Knowing what has been happening m 
Bhiwandi ,and Malegaon and at a num- 
ber of other centres — they are the 
largest consumers of cotton yarn — I 
would like to know whether it is not a 
fact that especially at these centres, 
where superfine quality has been actual- 
ly used, the rates of superfine yarn have 
gone up by 20 to 44 per cent. I am not 
describing the wage rise. But the rates 
have gone up by 20 to 44 per cent as 
compared to the rates effective on the 
31st December, 1971. If this rise is 
there, it is bound to create a crisis for 
the powerloom industry, and as a result 
of acute shortage and sky-rocketing 
prices, to which I am referring, the plight 



175 Mepomd Crisis fe AUGUST 18, 1872 Pawtrioom Mtspy 17& 

in Maharashtra (C A-) 


tSbri Madhu Dandavate] 

of die powerloom industry at those 
centres to which especially 1 was refer- 
ing, has become miserable. As a result 
of that, the actual walking hours have 
been cut down from 1st Tbly, 1972. 
That has posed a new problem. 

Now, you have said in your statement 
that during the fourth Plan period, the 
development of the powerloom industry 
is solely the responsibility of the State 
Governments concerned. In that con- 
text also, I would like to pose a ques- 
tion, which is again for the consideration 
of the Central Government The Cen- 
tral Government has implemented a 
yarn pool scheme since 1971. But the 
supply is restricted to counts up to 40s. 
The yarn which is available in this 
scheme is of such a poor quality that it 
is impossible to utilise it even in weft, 
and it is, therefore, necessary to examine 
this yarn pool scheme and completely 
modify it. Even after modification — 
a number of modifications have been 
suggested — the modified scheme has to 
be effectively implemented, and this im- 
plementation is also very important to 
avoid this crisis. 

I would like to pose one more ques- 
tion regarding the rayon yarn. Apart 
from cotton powerlooms, there are many 
powerlooms, especially in Bhiwandi 
and Malegaon, which are using rayon 
yarn. Generally, rayon yarn is mixed 
up with superfine cotton yarn in the 
manufacture of sarees and therefore, you 
must have noted that in the manufac- 
tures of sarees new difficulties are 
faced and that has created a crisis es- 
pecially in these powerloom sectors 
where, on a very large scale, the sarees 
are being manufactured. In this con- 
nection, I may point out that this parti- 
cular item has now been included in the 
ad valorem list of excise schedule, and 
the attemps to classify it in the tariff 
schedule have completely failed. There 
is a voluntary pricing and distribution 
scheme in operation since over three 
years, and then, there is a great disparity 
between the open market quotation and 
the controlled rates. Therefore, new 
problems have been posed. I would 
like to know, to overcome this difficulty, 
what steps are being taken. 

Another question is "this. 

AN HON. MEMBER: Let the 
Minister reply to the earlier ones. 


PROP. MADHU QANJ3AVATE: He 
remembers; his memory is very sharp. 
There is another question, and that is 
with regard to acetate yam. There is 
only one manufacturer in the entire 
country, and this concern is facing short- 
age of acetate, and the company has 
drastically cut down its production. You 
can check up the figures, The price of 
120 Bright Acetate yarn has gone up 
to Rs. 13*25 per pound against Rs. 10*50' 
per kilogram a few days ago. What steps 
are being taken to check this rise, so 
that to a certain extent the crisis can be 
avoided? 


As regards staple yarn, to which a re- 
ference has been made by the hon. 
Member, Shri Dhamankar, things have 
gone from bad to worse. Here again, 
you will find that the rise in price has 
created a big problem. 

A new voluntary distribution and pric- 
ing agreement has been concluded bet- 
ween the spinners and weavers in the 
month of March. But yam at control- 
led price is nowhere available. Spinners 
have been complaining about the short- 
age of their raw material, £e., caprolac- 
tum. They have cut down their produc- 
tion by even fifty per cent in certain 
cases. Since the import of caprolactum 
has been nationalised the blame for pro- 
duction cut goes entirely to the State 
Trading Corporation. 

1 am one of those who want to see 
that the image of institutions in the pub- 
lic sector, namely, the State Trading 
Corporation and others, is not spoiled. 
Therefore, when I am pointing out this 
grievance it is not to discredit them but 
only to say that the efficiency in the pub- 
lic sector institutions should be stepped 
up. But the fact remains that they are not 
functioning properly. So it is clear that 
inspite of the assurance given by the 
hon. Minister the crisis in the power- 
loom industry continues to deepen and 
unless adequate steps are taken on the 
points 1 have raised, unless the schemes 
are modified and implemented effective- 
ly, we cannot overcome the crisis. 
Therefore, I should like to have cate- 
gorical answers from the hon. Minister 
as to what concrete steps are going to 
be taken — I must candidly admit that 
some answers might be contained in the 
statement of the hon. Minister but I 
have not read his lengthy statement due 
to the shortness of time. 



177 Reported CHMr in SRAVANA 27* 18*4 {SAKA) |H 


SHRI L. N. MISHRA : The statement 
is of course tagth? as it was prepared 
purposely to answer these questions; it 
covers aH the points Prof. Dandavate 
asked; yet I should like to refer to a 
few of diem. 

So far as the credit part is concerned, 
handloom is mainly the responsibility of 
the State Government and of the co-op- 
ratives; they give credit facilities. This 
point Baa been raised by the hon. Mem- 
ber and 1 shall refer it to the State Gov- 
ernment and I shall also try to take it up 
with the Finance Ministry. But it is a 
fact that They have run into difficulties 
in getting credit and they could not hold 
their stocks and when they had to sell 
their stocks at distress price in many 
cases in U.P. and perhaps in Maharash- 
tra also. 

About nylon I have said there is no 
scarcity. About cotton yarn, I have 
stated that the price upto 40 counts had 
been coming down but prices above 60 
have been going up. It was for this rea- 
son that a new scheme has been evolved. 
It is a long one and if he wants I can 
read it out. Every mill is obliged to 
supply yarn at the price fixed on a 
voluntary basis and the textile commis- 
sioner is the person who will have autho- 
rity (o look into this. It has to be in a 
regulated manner. If it is not imple- 
mented effectively, we shall think of 
putting up a statutory price for the yarn. 
These are problems which have been 
agitating our minds also and we shall 
watch for two or three months more to 
see if it works successfully. If it does 
not succeed we shall have statutory con- 
trol over yarn. The interests of the 
powerloom and handloom weavers have 
to be protected; they cannot be allowed 
to be exploited. 

About staple fibre I request the hon. 
Member to go through the statement. 
The point is that there is only one 
source, Gwalior firm, and their capacity 
is onry 50, 000 tonnes per year. Out of 
that 27,000 is allotted for South India 
and 20,000 for some other. There is 
difficulty about staple yarn, for we have 
no raw materials. Our effort is to in- 
crease the production capacity of raw 
material. One unit is having almost a 
monopoly and has to make available all 
these products. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : I had written to seek your per- 
mission under rule 222 to raise a motion 


of privilege against the Prime Minister, 

MR. SPEAKER : No, no. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It was in- 
timidation. What we did or did not do in 
the House is not the suBjecJ-matter of 
discussion outside the House. She start- 
ed behaving as a school-mistress 

( Interruptions .) 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : On a point of 
order. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing 
it 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How can 
you disallow it? Because she is the Prime 
Minister, you shield her. 

MR. SPEAKER: I owe a certain res- 
ponsibility to them also, not to you al- 
one. She is the Prime Minister and Lea- 
der of the House. She calls you for a 
meeting and you discuss so many things 
in her room. Sfie can give you sugges- 
tions also. That does not mean you 
should later on say it is a privilege. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Since 
she is the Leader, you must be very care- 
ful in giving your decision.... ( Inter- 
ruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing 
anything. When you meet as leaders, 
you discuss so many things. It is very 
bad that you should come with a privi- 
lege motion later. 

SHRI P. M. SAYEED (Laccadive, 
Minicoy and Amindivi Islands) : All these 
things should not go on record. 
( Interruptions .) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have 
said nothing unparliamentary. Is this the 
House for the Prime Minister alone? We 
are also members. 

MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed it. 
Now, Papers to be laid on the Table. 
Shri Ganesh. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What are 
your observations, Sir? 

MR. SPEAKER : I have already given 
my ruling. It is not a privilege motion. 

( Interruptions ) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We elect- 
ed you to be the Speaker to bring the 
House to order.. . 



179 


Papers Laid 


AUGUST 18, 1972 


Papers Laid 


180 


MR. SPEAKER : You start everything 
and then you ask me fo bring the House 
to order. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will you 
please tell me why it cannot be a privilege 
motion? We cannot function like this. 
The Prime Minister Cannot misuse her 
office; she may be the Leader of the 
House. 

MR. SPEAKER : As Leader of the 
House, she can meet you in her room 
and discuss so many things. It will be 
setting an unhealthy precedent if the 
Prime Minister were always to be in the 
fear that whatever she is saying in her 
room may not come out as a privilege 
or some other motion later. I do not 
think it is very correct. 

Papers to be laid. 

12.28 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE 
TABLE 

Notifications under Customs Act, 

1962 AND UNDER CENTRAL EXCISE 
Rules, 1944, Income-tax 
(2nd Amdt.) Rules, 

1972 and Wealth 
Tax (2nd Amdt) 

Rules, 1972 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 
K. R GANESH) : I beg to lay on the 
Table— 

(1) A copy each of the following Noti- 
fications (Hindi and English versions) 
under section 159 of the Customs Act, 
1962 : — 

(i) S.O. 1905 published in Gazette 

of India dated the 29th July, 
1972 together with an explana- 
tory memorandum. 

(ii) G.S.R. 369(E) published in 

Gazette of India dated the 1st 
August, 1972 together with an 
explanatory memorandum. 

(iii) G.S.R, 864 published in Gazette 

of Tndia dated the 22nd July, 
1972 together with an explana- 
tory memorandum. 

(iv) G.S.R. 902 published in Gazette 

of India dated the 29th July, 
1972 together with an explana- 
tory memorandum. 

[Placed in Library . See No. 
LT. 3412/72]. 


(2) A copy of the Income-tax 
(Second Amendment) Rules, 1972 (Hindi 
and English versions) published in Noti- 
fication No. S.O. 436(E) in Gazette of 
India dated the 21st June, 1972, under 
section 296 of the Income-tax Act, 1961. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT 3413/ 
72]. 

(3) A copy of the Wealth-tax (Second 
Amendment) Rules, 1972 (Hindi and 
English versions) published in Notifica- 
tion No. S.O. 437 (E) in Gazette of 
India dated the 21st June, 1972, under 
sub-section (4) of section 46 of the 
Wealth-tax Act, 1957. [Placed in 
Library. See No. LT 3414/72.] 

(4) A copy each of the following Noti- 
fications (Hindi and English versions) 
issued under the Central Excise Rules, 
1944 : — 

(i) G.S.R. 335(E) and G.S.R. 335A 

(E) published in Gazette of 
India dated the 10th July, 1972 
together with an explanatory 
memorandum. 

(ii) G.SH. 347(E) to 358(E) publish- 

ed in Gazette of India dated 
the 24fh July, 1972 together 
with an explanatory memoran- 
dum. 

(Tii) G.S.R. 365(E) to 367(E) publish- 
ed in Gazette of India dated 
the 29th July, 1972 together 
with an explanatory memoran- 
dum. 

[Placed in Library. See No. 

LT-35 16/72.] 

Monopolies and Restrictive Trade 

Practices (Second Amendment) 
Rules, 1972 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF COMPANY AF- 
FAIRS (SHRI BEDABRATA BA- 
RUA) : I beg to lay on the Table 
a copy of the Monopolies and Restric- 
tive Trade Practices (Second Amend- 
ment) Rules, 1972 (Hindi and English 
versions) published in Notification No. 
G.S.R. 748 in Gazette of India dated the 
17th June, 1972, under sub-section (3) 
of section 67 of the Monopolies and Re- 
strictive Trade Practices Act, 1969. 
[Placed in Libmry. See No. LT 3417/ 
72.] 

Review and Annual Report of the 
Hindustan Paper Corporation Ltd. 

swt*) : 3T®W *$** 



181 ^ Papers Laid SRAVANA 27, 1894 OSAKA) Business of the 182 


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'T’ff (fis^t cr«n anrtft *fanc«r) 
TTap-TT^ uf?r qWT 'TS5T *TT T^T fj : 

(1) fiFjRrnr spm faro f?rfaj», 
?rt fesflr % si if *, 1971 
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(2) Pmf’PTR fafas*. 

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*raTTfter* *t fecqfw i 

[Placed in Library . See No. LT-3418/ 
72.] 

Reviews and Annual Reports of Indian 
Petro-chemicals Corporation Ltd. and 
Lubrizal India Ltd. for 1970-71 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR 
SINGH): I beg to lay on the Table 
a copy each of the following papers 
(Hindi and English versions) under sub- 
section (1) of section 619A of the Com- 
panies Act, 1956 : — 

(1) (i) Review by the Government on 

the working of the Indian 
Petro-chemicals Corporation 
Limited for the year 1970-71. 

(ii) Annual Report of the Indian 
Petrochemicals Corporation 
Limited for the year 1970-71 
along with the Audited Ac- 
counts and the comments of 
the Comptroller and Auditor 
General thereon [Placed in 
library . See No. LT-3419/72.] 

(2) (i) Review by the Government on 

the working of the Lubrizol 
India Limited for the year 1970- 
71. 

(|i) Annual Report of the Lubrizol 
India Limited, for the year 
1970-71 along with the Audited 
Account and the comments of 
the Comptroller and Auditor 
General thereon. , 

T Placed in library * . See No. 
LT-3420/72.] 


ffouse 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : Sir, 
I have to make a submission. I have 
given notice of a Calling Attention. I 
have submitted to you three times about 
it, in addition to writiBg a letter. 1 have 
not received even a reply. 

MR. SPEAKER : Your Calling Atten- 
tion on Morarka Group did come up. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I am referring 
to one about the Food Corporation of 
India. Apart from tabling it, I have 
written to you also and three or four 
days are over. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have not got it yet. 
I will look into that. 


12.31 hrs. 

BUSINESS ADVISORY 
COMMITTEE 

Fifteenth Report 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ 
BAHADUR): I beg to present the 
Fifteenth Report of the Business Advi- 
sory Committee. 


BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ 
BAHADUR): With your permission. Sir, 
I rise to announce that Government 
Business during the week commencing 
Monday, the 21st August, 1972 will con- 
sist of : — 

(/l) Consideration and passing of : 
The Wild Life (Protection) Bill, 
1972. 

The Victoria Memorial (Amend- 
ment) Bill, 1972, as passed by 
Rajya SaBha. 

(2) Consideration of any item of Gov- 
ernment Business carried over 
from today’s Order Paper. 

(3) Discussion on the Resolution seek- 
ing disapproval of the Iron and 
Steel Company (Taking over of 
Management) Ordinance, 1972 
and consideration and passing of 
the Iron and Steel Company 
(Taking over of Management) 



183 Business of the House 


AUGUST ifc 1972 


Business of she Bom 184 


[Shri Raj Bahadur] 

(4) Consideration aM passing of : 
The Antiquities and Art Trea- 
surers Bill, 1972. 

The Seeds (Amendment) Bill, 
1972. 

(5) Discussion and voting of the Sup- 
plementary Demands for Grants 
(General) for 1972-73. 

(6) Consideration and passing of: 

The Khadi and Other Handloom 
Industries Development (Addi- 
tional Excise Duty on Cloth) 
Amendment Bill, 1972. 

The Rulers of Indian States (Abo- 
lition of Privileges) Bill, 1972. 

(7) Further discussion of the motion 
moved by Shri Nathu Ram Ahir- 
war re: development of back- 
ward areas. 

(8) Discussion on the Report of the 
Commissioner for Scheduled 
Castes and Scheduled Tribes for 
the year 1969-70. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have already sug- 
gested that if any member wants to make 
any comments on the statement of the 
Minister about the business of the House 
for the next week, he should give ad- 
vance notice. But when we take up the 
consideration and adoption of the Re- 
port of the Business Advisory Com- 
mittee, it is not proper to make any 
new suggestions. Because, all the par- 
ties are represented in the BAC. So, if 
any member has to make any sugges- 
tion, he can do it through his represen- 
tative in the BAC. If any member 
wants any particular matter to be taken 
up, he is also welcome to attend the 
meeting of the BAC. When the report 
of the BAC is being adopted, it is not 
proper to make any suggestions for 
anything to be included there. The pro- 
per stage for making such suggestions 
would be when the Minister for Parlia- 
mentary Affairs makes a statement about 
Government Business for following 
week when such questions can be rais- 
ed, provided the Member gives advance 
notice. 

SHRI SEZHIYAN pCumbakonam): 
How can we give a notice when we do 
not know what is going to be the busi- 
ness for next week? 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : What 
about my party? We are not represented 
there. 


MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Piloo Mody, we 
invite you as a special invitee. The 
number of seats is less. Therefore, we 
invite other groups as special invitees. 
Normally, we do not have any dis- 
tinction. Invitees are as good as mem- 
bers. You are welcome to come at any 
time. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJfiE (Kanpur): 
Sir, with your permission, I would like to 
raise three very small points. I would 
request the hon. Minister of Parliamen- 
tary Affairs, through you, Sir, to take 
note of them. 

I am glad the Finance Minister is 
here. I would request the Finance 
Minister to make a statement — 1 am not 
asking for a^discussion. My first point 
is, if my information is correct, the all- 
India index figure, "in June, stood at 
237.08 and my information further goes 
that in the month of July, it has already 
crossed 238. According to the accept- 
ed formula evolved by the Government, 
the Central Government employees 
throughout the country are entitled to 
another rise in the interim relief. Al- 
though they were entitled to a further 
rise in the interim relief at 23 5 , I would 
request the Finance Minister to make a 
statement next week about it when the 
figure has already crossed 238. 

MR. SPEAKER : That you could 
otherwise ask me without coming here. 
You do not leave any opportunity. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : May I re- 
quest you to kindly bear with me? Class 
III and Class IV employees are the 
worst sufferers. The Government have 
miserably failed to check the rise in 
prices. Even today, sugar is not avail- 
able. 

My second point is, as you are aware, 
that there is a countrywide strike by 
75,000 cement workers and the cement 
industry is completely paralysed through- 
out the country. . . . 

MR. SPEAKER : We have already ad- 
mitted the Calling Attention oti that. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : My third 
point is this. Last time also I raised it. 
Twenty Members of this House have 
written a letter to the Prime Minister re- 
questing her to make either a statement 
or allow the Home Minister to make 
a statement in the historic 25th Anni- 
versary year of Independence re-instating 



£85 » Taxation SRAVANA 27, 


those Central Government em- 
ployees whose services were terminated 
in the 1968 strike. Even the worst cri- 
urinals in the country who are charged 
under Section 302 are given remissions. 
Their death sentences are being com- 
muted. The Central Government em- 
ployees were discharged without any 
notice. They should be re-instead. I 
have been told that the Prime Minister 
is considering the matter. With all humi- 
lity, I would request the Prime Minister, 
through you, Sir, that she should make 
a statement and create favourable con- 
ditions in the country. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Sir, he has 
raised certain points which we could not 
include in the list of business for the 
next week. He has asked me to take 
note of them. All that 1 can say is, I 
have taken note of them. 


12.39 hrs. 

TAXATION LAWS (AMEND- 
MENT) BILL — Contd. 

MR. SPEAKER: We now take up fur- 
ther consideration of the Taxation Laws 
(Amendment) Bill. The time allotted 
for the Bill was 3 hours out of which 1 
hour and 40 minutes have been taken. 
We have a balance of 1 hour and 20 
minutes. The Finance Minister is to re- 
ply to the debate. 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE 
(SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : 
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must express my 
thanks to the whole House for giving a 
very splendid support to this Bill. Of 
course, some Members have made cer- 
tain suggestions and moved some amend- 
ments which can be discussed while we 
take up the clause-by-clause considera- 
tion of the Bill. I would like to reply to 
the specific points raised by some Mem- 
bers. 

Hon. Member, Shri Virendra Agar- 
wal made the point that acquisition of 
immovable property would give a set- 
back to the building activities. I really 
fail to understand the logic behind this 
argument. What we are providing 
against is .the evasion of tax and under- 
valuation and under-estimation of pro- 
perties. The Bill, really speaking, is not 
intended against any honest house- 
builder or construction activity as such. 
Unfortunately he seems to have missed 


1894 (SAKA) Lews 186 

(Amendment) Bill 

the entire objective of the Bill itself. 
This argument was quite superfluous, I 
should say.' 

Hon. Member, Shri Shukla, made the 
point that, in cases where properties 
which are the subject matter of transfer 
art not acquired under the proposed 
provisions for any reason, the differ- 
ence between the fair market value of 
the transferred property and the ap- 
parent consideration should be treated 
as the undisclosed income and wealth 
of the transferee. I can understand his 
anxiety about it. But under an existing 
provision in section 52(2) of the In- 
come-tax Act, in a case where the fair 
market value of a capital asset trans- 
ferred by a taxpayer exceeds the consi- 
deration declared by him by more than 
15%, the Income-tax Officer is em- 
powered to levy capital gains tax on the 
basis that the consideration received 
was equal t Q the fair market value. 
This provision takes care of the point 
made by the hon. Member in this re- 
gard . 

As regards the transferee, if the In- 
come-tax Officer finds that the invest- 
ment actually made by him in pur- 
chasing an immovable property exceeds 
the consideration declared in the trans- 
fer deed, and he offers no explanation 
about such excess or the explanation 
offered by him is considered by the In- 
come-tax Officer to be unsatisfactory, 
the excess amount cab be assessed as 
the income of the transferee for the 
relevant financial year. If this fact is 
established by proper and cogent evi- 
dence it will be permissible to assess 
the amount of such unaccounted for 
investment as the concealed income of 
the transferee. This takes care of the 
argument that he made about trans- 
feree. 

Hon. Member, Shri Dasaratha Deb, 
has made a point that the definition of 
the expression “immovable property” 
is defective as it will not bring within 
the ambit of the proposed legislation 
transfers of flats in buildings owned by 
Housing Co-operative Societies. This 
point was very carefully considered by 
the Select Committee alto. This was 
one of the points that was mentioned 
to the Select Committee, and the 
Select Committee has made a certain 
observation about it. The point is, what 
is owned and what is transferred in 
the case of flats of cooperative societies 
i9 not the ownership of the flat but the 



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(Amendment) Bill 


[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] 
shares— She right of ownership of shares 
being virtually the right of ownership 
of 'flats. Registration is the pivotal fact 
fa the entire 6 thing. Unfortunate^ trans- 
fer of shares is not reauired to he regi 
tered. We have therefore, made a sug- 
gestion that for this purpose the Regis- 
tration Act will have to be amended. 
If we make the necessary amendment 
in the Registration Act making regis- 
tration compulsory on transfer of 
shares, then the Act will cover that 
position as well. 

Then, the other hon. members, Mr. 

Baladhandayutham and also 

Dasaratha Deb, made a point that the 
condition that the provisions for acqui- 
sition of property can be invoked only 
in cases where the fair market valui e o 
the transferred property exceedsRs. 
25 000 should be deleted. At present, 
we havelaid, this Act should take care 
of properties the transferred value of 

which is more than Rs. 25,000. Thei 
poit is that is should take care of 
properties of any value even 
Rs 25,000. Administratively, it will 
not be a feasible proposition, because 
our main point is not only to catch the 
small fish but also the big whale . 
Looking to the number of transactions 
which are registered, the number is so 
huge that it will be very difficult to go 
LI these. Then, we have provided 
again this six-monthly pen^- f 0 ; 
example I can mention this. This is 
the information that we have tned to 
collect and 1 1 would, therefore, say 
that it is approximate. For example, in 
Bombay city alone in the calendar year 
1970 the number of tranters reps- 
tered is 12140. Calcutta— 12000 plus, 
^8000 I will just cite a sam- 
plfto a^tate likl TaU Nadu-this 
includes the transfers of immoveable 
property also, that, means even the 
agricultural land— -in the year 
70 the number of transfers that w 
registered is 35,45,024. It gives you an 
inkling of the problem. So, the Select 

Committee went “| to a |£e 

and it was thought that if at all we 
wanted to make this Act more pract-r 
cable and effective, it is much better to 

make it selective and, therefore, pr^w- 

ties worth less than Rs. 25,000 have 
been excluded from the operation ^of 

SsinSilf * »y 

tS* Mr. Bdai^dayu- 
tham made in his note of dissent also. 


So, I don't think that that point has 
much in it. 

Some members have made a point: 
why should we pay 15% solatium? 
An hon. Member from my Party, Shri 
Narayana Rao, has said, ‘Reduce the 
solatium from 15% to 12%'. The provi- 
sion made in the Bill is on the lines of 
the Land Acquisition Act and it was 
the view of the Law Ministry that if 
we do not do it, the constitutionality 
of the Act may be questioned. I dont 
think this is a flimsy ground. Some 
members have said that it is a flimsy 
ground The question of constitutiona- 
lity of the Act is not a flimsy ground. 
It is a very solid and valid ground. 
While we enact a law, we should not 
do it superficially or light-heartedly. 
Therefore. I don’t think I can accept 
this suggestion of the hon. Member. 

Hon. Member, Shri Viswanathan, 
made a point that provision should be 
made in the Bill to make the buyer and 
the seller of the properties to get an 
advance ruling from the Income Tax 
Department as to the fair market value 
of the property proposed to be trans- 
ferred. Hon Member, Shri Piloo Mody 
also made this point in his minute of 
dissent. I have referred to it in my 
introductory speech. 

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But, it is my duty because whatever 
they said is on the record. 

To get an advance ruling from the 
Income Tax Department as regards the 
fair market value of the property will 
amount to a delaying tactic. That 
means every one must get clearance. 
Therefore, the responsibility is placed 
on the administration to give the clear- 
ance before the transfer. It is certainly 
a negative approach as far as the ob- 
jective of the Bill is concerned. 

The only point that remains to be 
dealt with is the suggestion made by 
hon. Member, Shri Shukla but he has 
an amendment. Possibly, I will deal 
with it when the amendment comes. 



IS? Taxation Laws 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 (Amendment) Bill 190 


That is all I have to say. But, by and 
large, ! found that the House has wel- 
comed the Bill and I am grateful to 
them. 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Income-tax Act, 1961, the Wealth- 
tax Act, 1957 and the Gift-tax Act, 
1958, as reported by the Select Com- 
mittee, be taken into< consideration.” 

The tnotion was adopted . 

MR. SPEAKER: There are no 
amendments to clauses 2 and 3. I will 
put them to the vote of the House. 

The question is: 

“That clauses 2 and 3 stand part of 
the Bifl.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 2 and 3 were added 
to the Bill . 

Clause 4 — ( Insertion of new 
Chapter XX A) 

MR. SPEAKER: There are some 
amendments to Clause 4 but the hon. 
Members are not here. 

Shri Shukla, arc you moving your 
amendments? 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA (Bahraich) : 
l have an amendment No. 6 lor incor- 
poulion of a new clause 1A. Fhis is 
clause 1-A. 

MR. SPEAKER: Is it for substitu- 
tion or for adding something ? ( Inter - 

niption) I am sorry, you cannot move 
it just now. At present, we are on 
Clause 4. You cannot move that just 
now, because your amendment is for 
insertion of a new Clause, that is, 
Clause 1-A. 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA: It can be 
fitted anywhere in the Bill. It is an 
independent amendment. 

MR. SPEAKER: You may move it 
when we come to Clause 3. Now, no 
amendments have been moved to Clause 
4. There are no amendments right up 
to Clause 25 and so I will put all these 
clauses together to the vote of the 
House. 

The question is : 

SHRI C. CHITTIBABU (Chingle- 
put): May I just interrupt for a 

♦Moved with the recommendation of 
7-10 LSS/72 


minute? In Clause 4, the word that ia 
used is 'compensation’. Can it stand in 
a court of law, instead of the word 
'amount*. You simply say, 'compensa- 
tion' 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN; 
My advice is, it will. 

SHRI C. CHITTIBABU: Will it be 
valid? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: 
Yes, it will be valid. 

MR. SPEAKER: The, question is: 

“That Clauses 4 to 25 stand part of 
the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clauses 4 to 25 were added 
to the BUI. 

Clause 1 — ( Short title and 
commencement) 

MR. SPEAKER: We come to Clause 
1. Mr. B. R. Shukla. You are pro- 
posing a new Clause, Clause 1-A. 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA: I move* 
this amendment: 

Page 1 — after line 9, insert — 

“1A. In accordance with article 
3 1C of the Constitution, it is 
hereby declared that the provisions 
regarding acquisition of immov- 
able property or land or any in- 
terest therein under this Act, are 
enacted with the object of giving 
effect to State policy contained in 
article 39(b) and (c) of the Con- 
stitution.” (6) 

Sir, my object, in moving this 
amendment is this. There appears to be 
some Constitutional defect in this Bill. 
For, under article 31, property can 
be acquired only for a public purpose 
on payment of compensation and by 
authority of law. So, three conditions 
have to be satisfied namely that it 
should be by authority of law and after 
providing for compensation. These two 
conditions are there, but as regards 
the third condition namely that the ac- 
quisition should be made only for a 
public purpose, that public purpose is 
not apparent from the provisions of 
this Bill. 

the President. 



AUGUST 18, 1972 Punjab New Capital ( Periphery ) 192 
Control ( Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 


191 Taxation Laws 
C Amendment ) Bill 

[Shri B. R. Shukla] 

Last year, this House passed an 
amendment to the Constitution insert- 
ing article 3 1C which says that if in a 
law itself it is declared by Parliament 
that that law is enacted for giving 
effect to the Directive Principles of 
State Policy contained in article 39(b) 
and (c), that is, to break up mono- 
poly or concentration of wealth, then 
the validity of such law cannot be 
questioned in a court of law. So, in 
order to put this measure on a sound 
constitutional footing, 1 have put in 
this amendment that it should be de- 
clared in this very law that it is being 
enacted in order to give effect to the 
provisions of article 39(b) and (c) 
of the Constitution. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: 
I know that the hon. Member is very 
well intentioned in this matter and he 
has tried to help us to ensure the con- 
stitutionality of this measure in case it 
is raised in the Supreme Court etc. 
But I can assure him that we have con- 
sidered this question very carefully. 

In this Bill what we are really doing 
is that we are adding a new chapter to 
the Income-tax Act, the Wealth Tax 
Act etc. It is fundamentally designed to 
prevent tax evasion and under-valua- 
tion of properties. Really speaking, it is 
not therefore, necessary to have the 
declaration which he thinks is neces- 
sary. I can assure him that it will be 
rather very superficial and lighthearted 
if we start making such declarations. 
If we make that kind of declaration 
here, it will be a matter of ridicule. I 
■do not think, therefore, that it is neces- 
sary to have it 

SHRI B. R. SHUKLA: I am not 
quite convinced, but certainly in view 
of the considered opinion which the 
Finance Minister has formed about the 
future course of litigation, I am not 
pressing my amendment. 

MR. SPEAKER: Has the hon. Mem- 
ber leave of the House to withdraw 
his amendment? 

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. 

Amendment No. 6 was # by leave, 
withdrawn . 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

“That clause 1, the Enacting For- 
mula and the Title stand part of 
the Bill.” 


The motion was adopted , 

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula 
and the Title were added to 
the Bill. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: 
I beg to move: 

“That the Bill, as reported by the 
Select Committee, be passed,* 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

“That the Bill, as reported by the 
Select Committee, be passed.* 

The motion was adopted, 

12.58 his. 

PUNJAB NEW CAPITAL (PERI- 
PHERY) CONTROL (CHANDI- 
GARH AMENDMENT) BILL 

MR. SPEAKER: Now, there is a 
very small and innocent Bill, namely 
the Punjab New Capital (Peripheiy) 
Control (Chandigarh Amendment) 
Bill. If hon. Members could finish it 
without much discussion, then we may 
pass it before lunch. 

AN HON. MEMBER: Let u s have it 
after lunch. 

MR. SPEAKER: Then, the hon. 
Minister may move the motion. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE 
MINISTRY OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING (PROF. D. P. CHATTO- 
PADHYAYA) : I beg to move : 

“That the Bill further to amend 
the Punjab New Capital (Peri- 
phery) Control Act, 1952, as in 
force in the Union territory of 
Chandigarh, be taken into consi- 
deration.” 

This is a very small piece of legisla- 
tion. The Punjab New Capital (Peri- 
phery) Control Act was enacted with a 
view to see that unauthorised structures 
did not come up around the city of 
Chandigarh some ten miles around 
Chandigarh. But it has been observed 
that some shabby-looking structures not 
consistent with the aesthetic and 
elegant point of view with which the 
city was built up are coming up. 

13 hrs. 

It is primarily to prevent this sort of 
unauthorised structures that this Bill 
has been brought before the House. 



193 Punjab New SRAVANA 27, 


SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR 
(Mathurapur) : Axe they going to be 
demolished? 

PROF D. P. CHATTOPADH- 
YAYA: Yes, but legal authority is 
necessary for the purpose. Hence this 
BUI. 

As pointed out by the Punjab High 
Court, there is a doubt whether the 
Deputy Commissioner can exercise the 
power of demolition etc. We want to 
get over the difficulty by providing for 
rules for the purpose. 

There are some ancillary provisions 
also. It is to achieve these things that 
the BiU has been brought before the 
House. I move. 

MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
the Punjab New Capital (Peri- 
phery) Control Act, 1952, as in 
force in the Union territory of 
Chandigarh, be taken into consi- 
deration.” 

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with such conditions as may be 
prescribed.’’ 

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1894 (SAKA) Capital (Periphery) Con- 194 
trol C Chandigarh Arndt-) Bill 

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13.02 his. 

The Lok Sabha adjourned for 
Lunch till Fourteen of the Clock. 

The Lok Sabha reassembled after 
Lunch at Four Minutes past 
Fourteen of the Clock . 

[Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair ] 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour): Sir, just now I have 
received a telegram from Calcutta 
which says that two trade union 
leaders were invited to meet the Labour 
Minister in the Writers Building and 
within the Writers Building they were 
manhandled by a set of people. . . 
(Interruption) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order 
please. 



195 Punjab New AUGUST 1$, 1972 Capital (Periphery) Control 196 

(Chandigarh Arndt .) Bill 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : ... 
instigated by the Congas. Inside the 
Government Secretariat this is happen- 
ing. . . ( Interruption ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order 
please 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: When 
they come to attend a meeting they 
have been beaten up. ( Interruption ) 
It is a very serious matter. 

Then, we do not know what hap- 
pened to the Bombay strike. Two full 
days have gone. Yesterday, there was a 
Bombay bundh . (interruption) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order 
Please. Please sit down. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will 
you kindly ask the Minister to make a 
statement? (Interruption) 

Shall I lay it on the Table of the 
House so that you can examine it? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order, 
order. It is a matter of law and order 
in the State. How does it come in here, 
now? Shri Vidyalankar. 


14.50 lira. 

PUNJAB NEW CAPITAL (PERI- 
PHERY) CONTROL (CHANDIGARH 
AMENDMENT) BILL — Contd. 

SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN- 
KAR (Chandigarh): I was saying that 
I would have agreed even if the law 
was made more stringent if I was 
assured that in its execution difficulties 
will not arise. Those who have experi- 
ence of the execution of this law know 
the actual difficulties. I want to bring 
before the House those difficulties so 
that the Government might see that 
those difficulties should not arise. 

This law is mostly concerned with 
the rural people because it operates in 
ten miles of area surrounding the city 
boundaries of Chandigarh. Inhabitants 
are mostly poor people and oustees. 
Their lands have been acquired; in 
some cases lands have been acquired 
only partially or they are about to be 
acquired and they are facing uncer- 
tainty, and cannot decide what kind of 
building they should erect. In most 
cases, when houses are acquired, por- 
tions ot the lands still remain with 


them. For their living they want to 
build something. They have to pass 
through so many procedural difficulties. 
The problem mostly concerns the ous- 
tees. They either encroach on Govern- 
ment land or erect all sorts of struc- 
tures. That is why slums are coming 
up. About 10,000 families are houseless 
because we have not provided anything 
for these oustees, or for industrial 
labourers or the petty shopkeepers or 
pedlars or even die sweepers who are 
working m the city. For the poorer 
sections, we have not provided housing 
in the whole Chandigarh plan and the 
result is that all sorts of buildings and 
huts and structures are coming up, in 
a haphazard way. 

First the origin of the problem 
should be tackled. Then only we can 
enforce the law property. The diffi- 
culty becomes acute because in the 
whole of India Chandigarh is the only 
city where no rent restriction Act ap- 
plies. That creates difficulty for poorer 
sections ot people as they could not 
afford to hire accommodation on rent. 
They have to live somewhere and open 
Sites are converted into living sites and 
all sorts of hutments are erected and 
slums appear all round. 

It is provided in the law that if an 
application is made and within three 
months a reply was not recovered auto- 
matically it is assumed that the appli- 
cation is granted. In many cases the 
Government fails to give orders within 
that prescribed period. The result is 
that these unauthorised structures are 
built up. 

One more reason is. Under section 
15(b) exemption is given for places of 
worship. Under that guise many struc- 
tures arise. The law should be imple- 
mented with a certain amount of under- 
standing. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You 
are speaking on the original Act, not 
on the amending Bill. 

SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN- 
KAR : The Deputy Commissioners are 
being given wide powers and it is not 
only for agricultural purposes. 'They 
may prescribe in the rules even im- 
possible conditions. 

In this Act, one more thing is not 
clear to me. Power is given to the De- 
puty Commissioner to receive the ap- 
plication. When the original Act was 



197 Punjab New SRAVANA 27, 


passed, Chandigarh formed part ot 
Punjab. Now, the Deputy Commissioner 
of Chandigarh has jurisdiction only 
within the Chandigarh territory. This 
law is applicable for an area 10 miles 
around Chandigarh. Now, which De- 
puty Commissioner will receive the ap- 
plications is not clear to me. It is not 
clear whether a Deputy Commissioner 
in Punjab area or Haryana also will 
have jurisdiction m this case to receive 
and decide applications. Who will con- 
trol the whole plan? Something ought to 
be done with regard to this ambiguity. 

I have another suggestion. The vil- 
lage houses in the urban areas should 
not be disturbed. Already there are 
nearly 10,000 homeless families in 
Chandigarh area- If the existing village 
houses were destroyed to construct new 
types of houses, the housing problem 
will become more acute. Therefore, 
this law should be enforced m a man- 
ner that most of the rural houses were 
not destroyed. They may be remodell- 
ed if necessary but they should not be 
destroyed. In the Chandigarh plan, 
some kind of plan for urban villages 
should be incorporated. After all, the 
plan that was made so many years ago 
is not so sacrosant. According to the 
needs of the time, changes can be made. 
So, I suggest that a plan for urban vil- 
lages should be incorporated in this. If 
it is done, so many difficulties would 
be overcome. 

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199 Punjab New AUGUST 18, 1972 Capita {Periphery) Control , 200 

(Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 


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a different question. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I say 
that has nothing to do with the Bill. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is 
irrelevant. It has nothing to do with 
the Bill. If you have nothing more to 
say on this Bill, I will call another 
Member. This has nothing to do with 
the Bill. 

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SRAVANA 27» 1894 (SAKA) Capital (Periphery) Cont- 202 

rol (Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 


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203 Punjab New AUGUST 18* 1972 Capital (Periphery) Control 204 

( Chandigarh Amat .) Bill 


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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Those 
rules will be made and laid on the 
Table of the House. 

SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK: I am quite relevant about 
this. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What I 
mean is that those rules will be made 
and placed on the Table of the House. 
You will come to know of them. 

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powers are delegated to the Govern- 
ment. 

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205 


Punjab New SRAVANA 27. 1894 (SAKA) Capital (Periphery) Cont- 206 

rol ( Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 


at aRal ? tfvm *Ta #S Ta?a 

tf*? faaraaR 3T« fax fa g 5T15T sfft 

srirr a*T ar?af ? atr aaa Jf aCt 
arrar fa arff^rr fat aa at atal ararar 
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fa faa aa aa % a*?f fa ?t? aT 
fafefasa a* % fa at qa qtfa fe aa %a 
faRT ar?<T? I *If*Hatl 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He is 
meeting his arguments. It is perfectly 
legitimate. 

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fefaR 3WT Jf t arg TJ ST if aCt | I 3TPT 
Cl atat Jf it? afaw ?t aaa a?ar 

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What does it mean? I am speaking on 
the Bill. 

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| 3 tr|fa aa 1966 Jf fcaiaa»faaa 
faaf aar ar naa?raaraTfa : 

“It is shared by the Central Gov- 
emment, the Haryana Government 
and the Punjab Government.” 

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a? arta atat at aaaa afar 1 faa 
fa at fra 1 anft at a*ftr ata ? 
a? aat arcana aar aaa ara at 
afaaar % aarfaa 1 afaa arta ata 



207 Punjab New AUGUST 

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1 8 f 1 972 Capital {Periphery) Cant - 20& 

rol ( Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 

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SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR 
(Mathurapur) : Sir, there is no quorum 
in the House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 

hon. Member may resume his seat, the 
bell is being rung. 

Now, there is quorum; he may con- 
tinue his speech. 

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299 Punjab New SRAVANA 27, 

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1894 (SAKA) Capital (Periphery) Cont- 210 

rol (Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 

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3T?^t ftqi qrfgq i 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE 
MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING (PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADH- 
YAYA): I had already said when I 
introduced the Bill that the object of 
this Bill .was very limited, namely the 
prevention of possible erection or re- 
erection of structures which were not 
permitted under the existing law. It has 
been observed during the last few years 
that many unauthorised structures 
which were supposed to be ancillary or 
subsidiary to agricultural purposes are 
being actually erected which are how- 
ever structures or constructions remote- 
ly related to agriculture. These shabby- 
looking structures and haphazard con- 
structions are inconsistent with the 
architectural design of the city. They 
are inelegant and unaesthetic and are 
not covered by the purpose. These are' 



211 Pnnjab New 


AUGUST 18* 1972 Capital ( Periphery ) Com - 212 

rol {Chandigarh Arndt.) Bill 


[Prof. D P. Chattopadhyaya] 
quite in contravention of the existing 


. * 'vf U * d J’* Ce t° emphasise that all 
hon. Members who have spoken on the 
BiU have directly or indirectly agreed 
with me on the question of the archi- 
tectural beauty of the city being im- 
portant and said that we should try to 
preserve it as far as possible. 


Tj\ e other question which has been 
raised in this connection, whose im- 
portance I do not like to deny, is the 
•question about what we do for the poor 
people. If m the name of poverty we 
allow this sort of shabby-looking 
haphazard constructions to remain 
there, or we objectively encourage them 
to come up. then the very purpose for 
which the city was planned will be 
defeated. For, we know from our 
experience of some other big cities of 
India that lack of plan has created a 
problem. Here, planning of the city 
has created a problem. I think we 
should put up with the problems from 
the planned city. There are some pro- 
visions both of the Central Govern- 
ment and of the State Government for 
providing houses to the lower income 
group and also to the other poor people. 


So those programmes could be uti- 
lised in this connection rather than 
asking for a relaxation of the provi- 
sions of the existing Jaw or opposing 
the purpose for which these amend- 
ments are brought before the House. 


It has been asked why the rules are 
not embodied in the Act itself. As al- 
ready observed rightly by some hon. 
members, the question as a big rather 
complex one So the rules to be framed 
under the Act have to be well-consi- 
dered and the details of the problem 
have to be looked into. One hon. 
member has already mentioned that 
without going into the details of the pro- 
blem, we should not frame rules be- 
cause they must not be inconsistent with 
the purpose for which they are framed. 
I entirely agree with him. So careful 
consideration has to be given to the 
framing of the rules under the Act. 


he was given more power than he 
ought to have been, or rather the man- 
ner he exercised the power is not justi- 
fiable. That is why we have tried to 
introduce a slight amendment in the 
Bill. We do not like to increase the 
powers of the Dy. Commissioner; 
rather we want to see that he exercises 
the existing powers under certain rules, 
and in framing those rules, we want to 
see that the poorer and other sections 
of the people are adequately protected. 

So the interests of the poor people 
have been kept in mind and consider- 
ing all these things, the Bill deserves 
the support of the House from all 
quarters. I commend the Bill. 

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3qq?t I I 

SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN- 
KAR: We want an assurance that in 
the execution of the law, the needs and 
conveniences of the rural people will 
be properly considered. That is very 
essential. 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADH- 
YAYA: That is precisely what I have 
said. In framing rules, we will look 
into those things. 

SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN- 
KAR: Not only in framing rules, but 
in the execution of the law and the 
rules. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; The 
question is: 

‘That the Bill further to amend 
the Punjab New Capital (Peri- 
phery) Control Act, 1952, as in 
force in the Union territory of 
Chandigarh, be taken into consi- 
deration.” 


It has been observed from past ex- 
perience that the powers given to the 
Deputy Commissioner were in some 
respects found inconsistent with die 
interests of the people. The Punjab 
High Court has in a ruling said that 


The motion was adopted . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There 
are no amendments. The question is: 

“That clauses 2 to 5, clause 1, the 
Enacting Formula and the Title 



2l3 SRAVANA 27* 

stand part of * c BiU ” 

The motion was adopted. 

rlnases 2 to 5, clause 1, the Enacting 
C Formula and the Tide were added 
to the Bui 

PROF D. P. CHATTOPADH- 
YAYA: I move: 

"That the Bill be passed. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 
question is: 

-That the Bill be passed. 

The motion was adopted . 


( SAKA ) Dentists (Arndt.) Bill 2l4 

country. We have also slightly reorga- 
nised and redefined the categories of 
the representatives on the Dental Coun- 
cil of India which are now under the 
control of the Government of India. 

There are two categories of quali- 
fications we recognise. One is the cate- 
gory of dentists who have approved 
qualifications from India, and the other 
is the dental qualifications obtained 
from abroad. But the dentists who have 
come over to this country as repatriates 
from Bangladesh, Burma and Ceylon 
may not come, and in fact they do not 
come, under any of these categories. 
That is why we want to have a sepa- 
rate category provided, so that these 
people can earn their bread. 


14.50 tarn 

DENTISTS (AMENDMENT) BILL 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
the MINISTRY OF NEAL™ AND 
family planning^ IN toe 
MINISTRY OF woiucs ^ 

HOUSING (PROF D. P. CHAliu 
PADHYAYA) : Sir, I move . 

"That the Bill further to amend 
the Dentists Act, 1948, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha, be taken mto 

consideration.” 


This is again a very small piece 
legislation with very Umited objecUves. 
It is about some unfortunate dentists, 
because some denials have <xm eover 
to India as repatriates from Bul ™^ 
md Ceylon and from what we now adl 
Bangladesh. Wc find that some of these 
unfortunate dentists have not found 
any livelihood. So we want to see that 
they get some sort of livelihood. 


With these three or four objectives 
in view, we have brought this legisla- 
tion before the House for its considera- 
tion. With these words, I commend this 
Bill for the consideration of the house. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion 
moved: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
the Dentists Act, 1948, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into 
consideration.’’ 

Now, there is an amendment to the 
motion for consideration by Dr. 
Laxminarain Pandeya. Are you moving 
it? 

DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA 
(Mandsaur): Yes; I move: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
the Dentists Act, 1948, be referred 
to a Select Committee consisting 
of 8 members, namely: 

1. Shri Phagirath Bhanwar 

2. Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda 


The other object of the Bill is this. 
Uo till now, the Dental Council of 

India was vested w ^ h / he nd P ^ o e d r ^iities 
look after the methods and modalities 

of imparting education in dcntal sub- 

; oct « We want to see that these powers 
are veS in the Government of India 
because to bring about some sort of 
uniformity in the dental education in 
the country, we need this { 

of power from the Dental Counc 
India to the Government of India. 

The other objective we are seeking 
to achieve in this Bill is providing a 
sort^of common standard, ethos or pro. 
fessional ethics and etiquette ® the 


3. Shri M. C Daga 

4. Shri K. M “Madhukar” 

5. Shri Dhan Shah Pradhan 

6. Shri Ramkanwar 

7. Shri R. R. Sharma; and 

8. Shri Uma Shankar Dikshit 

With instructions to report by the 
first day of the next session” (8) 

DR. SARADISH ROY (Bolpur) : 
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while speak- 
ing on this amendment Bill. I want to 
make some general observations. 
Now-a-days, in the engineering and 
medical services, many posts remain 


♦Moved with the recommendation of the President. 



215 


Dentists (Am<k,) Bill AUGUST 18> 1972 


[Dr. Saradish Roy| 

•vacant for want of engineers or medi- 
cal practitioners, but then, many engi- 
neers and medical practitioners are 
remaining unemployed. This is the 
case with the dentists also. There are 
hospitals where dentists’ posts are pro- 
vided, but the dentists are not being 
appointed. There are hundreds of 
dentists who remain unemployed for 
years together. That is the anomaly, 
and the Government should take note 
of it and do the needful. 

In the rural areas and the primary 
health centres, there is no provision for 
dentists and as a result poor people in 
the village and rural side are not hay- 
ing any dental service. I suggest that 
the Government should make efforts o 
provide dentists i n the pnmarv health 
centres; if not permanently, at least for 
once or twice a week they may be pro- 
vided. 

Dental hygiene should be taught in 
the schools so that the young people 
may be conversant with dental hygiene 
and in future they may not be put to 
trouble. Now-a-days, dental diseases 
have increased enormously due to in- 
sufficient food and vitamin deficiencies 
Dental decay is a common feature 
among the children. So, this should be 
looked into. 

The most important thing is that 
dental equipment is not provided in 
the hospitals as a result of which the 
dentists who are there could not work 
properly. 

Coming to the Bill, one could ob- 
serve that the Government as it is doing 
in other spheres, is concentrating 
power in the Centre. Under clauses 8 
and II in this Bill the same thing is 
sought to be done. Under clause 8 the 
Central Government wants to take 
away the power from the Dental Coun- 
cil. Clause 8 provides for recognition 
of dental qualifications, under original 
section 10, the Dental Council was em- 
powered to give recognition; they 
could recommend to the Government 
necessary amendments to the schedule. 
This power has been taken away. 
Similarly, clause 1 1 relates to section 
16 and under that clause the power of 
recognition has been taken away from 
the Dental Council. I take exception 
to these amendments by which they 
want to have concentration of power 
In the hands of the Central Govern- 
ment. 


Constitution {Arndt.) Bill 2]g 

Section 5 is being amended by clause 
3. Only heads of dental wings of medi- 
cal colleges or recognised medical 
institutions are empowered to contest 
an election. Originally under section 5 
all the professors of the dental colleges 
and dental wings were eligible to 
stand as a candidate or vote. Now a 
restriction is imposed and only the 
principals, deans, directors and vice 
principal of dental colleges are eligible 
now. 

By another sub-clause the right is 
restricted to heads of dental wmgs of 
medical colleges. There is an amend- 
ment by some hon. Members for four 
and two members respectively, to make 
up six members. The Government 
should accept this amendment. Profes- 
sors should be given a chance to vote 
and stand as a candidate. With these 
observations I conclude my submission. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. 
Member may continue on Monday. 


15.00 hrs. 

CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) 
BILL — Contd. 

(; Insertion of new articles 23 A, 23B 
and 23C) by Prof Madhu Dandavate. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 
House will now take up Private Mem- 
bers’ business — Further consideration 
of the following motion moved by Shri 
Madhu Dandavate on the 4th August 
1972 : — 

“That the Bill further to amend 
the Constitution of India be taken 
into consideration.” 

Dr. G. S. Melkote was on his legs. 
He may continue. 

DR. G. S. MELKOTE (Hyderabad): 
Sir, Prof. Dandavate, in his introduc- 
tory remarks, while moving the motion 



in 


Constitution 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 [SAKA) 


(Amdt.) Bill 218 


for consideration of the Bill, said as 
follows: 

* the Constitution Amendment 

Bill seek to amend the Constitution 
by suggesting insertion of new arti- 
cles 23 A, 23B and 23C. The objective 
of this Bill is to see that certain 
basic provisions which are missing 
from the fundamental rights are 
incorporated there. I would like to 
see that our Constitution ensures 
work and adequate means of liveli- 
hood for all citizens; secondly, 
failing such a provision of work 
and adequate means of livelihood, 
there should be some sort of un- 
employment allowance to be given 
to the unemployed; thirdly, there 
should be a monetary assistance 
to those who have completed the 
age of 60 years or who are chro- 
nically sick or disabled and, lastly, 
there should be free and compul- 
sory education for all children upto 
the age of 14 years.” 

I would like to support this Bill. The 
arguments that are being placed before 
us are that India has emerged free only 
25 years ago, that we have a large 
population of an explosive nature — it 
is not merely numbers but explosion 
is coming from the younger generation 
— and that the planners are trying to 
give full employment to everyone. In 
the last four five year plans, we have 
seen that the number of unemployed 
and under-employed is increasing and 
those who get employment are a very 
small number. If we see what is hap- 
pening in other parts of the world, we 
find that only a very small percentage 
of people are unemployed and their 
economy could bear that strain and 
help them to get all these amenities. In 
194# I was in England and I asked the 
Employment Bureau about the number 
and type of unemployment there. They 
said, it is about 300,000. I asked, what 
is the employment potential. They said, 
500,000. I asked, when there is employ- 
ment for 500, 000 and the unemployed 
are only 300,000, how can unemploy- 
ment exist? The reply was, everybody 
is attempting to get better and better 
job. This evening I resign my job, be- 
come unemployed and tomorrow mor- 
ning I accept some better job and I 
become employed. 

I went to West Germany in 1968 
and asked what is the nature of un- 
ours, which is developing, depends on 
employed. West Germany is still being 


dogged by four governments — America, 
Russia, France and England; they are 
sitting tight on their neck. Still 
after the second world war, when 
all the industrial potential was carried 
away by these governments, within a 
very short time that government has 
been able to provide full employment 
in the country. Not only have they 
provided employment for all the people 
in Germany but people from all over 
the world, including India, go to Ger- 
many for employment. 

Take the case of China, which is 
very big, with a population much big- 
ger than ours, with a per capita land 
distribution which is much smaller 
than ours. There is full employment in 
China. I do not know the nature of the 
employment because it is very difficult 
to get that information, but we know 
there is full employment there. 

It is also said that in Russia more 
and more people are getting more and 
more aid from the government. There 
is liberalisation jn the amount of finan- 
cial help, employment loan, old age 
pension and so on. 

I had been to Australia in 1959. They 
said that unemployment is a very big 
headache for them. I wanted to know 
the nature of their problem. They said 
that 3,000 people are unemployed, and 
their population is nearly 12 million. 

In our country the number of un- 
employed runs into millions and mil- 
lions. How are we going to tackle it? 
Is it going to dog us for life, not only 
the present generation but also the 
future generations? What are the steps 
which we are going to take to solve 
this problem? It is no use blaming the 
government. We are part of the govern- 
ment. So, we have to look at it from 
that point of view. We are at the end 
of the Fourth Plan. The Fifth Plan is 
going to start in a year or so. What 
are the measures that we have taken to 
create full employment so that every 
citizen in the country will have at 
least one full meal? People talk big. 
We want amendment of the Constitu- 
tion and all that. But what concrete 
measures have we taken? 

The first and foremost is the em- 
ployment potential. The main source 
of employment in a poor country like 
ours, which is developing, depends on 
three or four factors. Every man wants 



219 Constitution 


AUGUST 18* 1972 


(Arndt.) Bill 220 


[Dr. G. S. Melkote] 

food. So, more people can be engaged 
in growing more and more food of 
various kinds. After food comes cloth- 
ing. Maximum amount of cloth may 
be produced in a way which will give 
the maximum amount of employment. 
If you compare the number of people 
employed in khadi and in the mills you 
will see the disproportion. Then, people 
can be usefully engaged in constructing 
roads, irrigation schemes and so on, 
so that the country will progress and 
people will also get employment. 

In the Fourth Plan we laid stress on 
manpower in order to man all these 
plans, blow what is the position? Re- 
cently, three people came to me. One 
of them was MA, another Ph.D. and 
the third M.Sc., all of them with good 
academic records. They could not get 
employment for the past four or five 
years. When this is the position of 
highly educated people, what about the 
pitiable plight of ordinary people ? 
Those three people wanted to know 
how they can support their families and 
whether they should beg one rupee to 
take a cup of coffee. It is a very piti- 
able condition. Therefore, looking to 
the nature of what is occurring in the 
country, it is not merely I but, I am 
quite sure the Government itself will 
Support this amendment. But merely 
supporting the amendment will not take 
us far. We have got to think in terms 
of what is to be done. 

The first and foremost thing to do 
is to give right type of education. The 
education should be job-onented. What 
a huge amount is spent by society on 
training a person upto the level of M.A. 
or Ph.D.? With an amount spent by 
society on a person for M.A. or 
Ph.D., you can train 45 of our primary 
students. After having spent so much 
amount, a person who is M.A. or 
Ph.D. remains unemployed, not a fit 
person in society, and is not able to 
get any job. Today, education is not 
job-oriented. It should be job-oriented. 
That is the primary thing that has got 
to be done. There should be more and 
more emphasis on primary education 
in the village sector, in the rural sec- 
tor, and it should be job-oriented. If 
this is not done, the students will go 
on passing higher and higher examina- 
tions without getting any jobs. One 
will say, “I have got money and, there- 
fore, I go in for college education.” 
Another person will say, “I want to 


improve my social status and, there- 
fore, I go in for college education.” 
Somebody else will say, “What can I 
do after passing the matriculation exa- 
mination? Let me go to college.” This 
is what is happening. 

What type of education is there? 
There should be technical education. 
The sandwich courses and other things 
are being added .... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He may 
try to conclude now. 

DR. G. S. MELKOTE: Would the 
House permit me to say a little more? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He has 
already taken 10 minutes; he may 
take 2-3 minutes more, 

DR. G. S. MELKOTE: This ques- 
tion has got to be thought about. I exa- 
mined this question as to what Ger- 
many did. I have tried to understand it. 
The first and foremost thing is that 
this wide disparity at the economic 
level that is existing in the country bet- 
ween the rich and poor should be re- 
duced. There is a poor man earning 
Rs. 200 or even Jess and there is an 
ordinary middle-class civilian earning 
Rs. 2000 or even more. This is a very 
big disparity which has got to be re- 
duced. leave alone other things. What 
did Germany do? In 1949, when they 
faced such a situation, there were no 
jobs and there were no industries. The 
Government came forward to demone- 
tise the currency. Now, preliminary to 
demonetisation, they said that they 
must take certain measures to get the 
benefit out of demonetisation. They 
took certain measures. They said, if a 
civil servant has got to get Rs. 2000 or 
Rs. 3000, let him get it, if an ordinary 
worker has got to get Rs. 400 or Rs. 
500, let him get it. But everything 
should be given in the form of a che- 
que. That cheque has got to go to 
the bank. Everybody will not draw all 
the money on the very first day. 
Some money will be left at the disposal 
of the Government which will be used 
to improve agriculture and industry. 
Secondly, they said, nobody can draw 
more than Rs. 200. They said, “It will 
accumulate in your name. But you can 
draw not more than Rs. 200.” So* 
everybody has got to live within Rs. 
200, whether he is a man earning Rs. 
2000 or Rs. 3000 or even Rs. 4000. 
Therefore, they have to wear the same 



221 Constitution ( Am*.) m SRAVXNA 2% 1894 (SAKA) Constitution (Arndt.) Bill 222 


sloth and eat the same food and so cm. 
Then, the rich man, the capitalist class, 
the managerial dase, saw how can a 
poor man live like this. The question 
of giving taore bonus and all that to 
the working class came in. The working 
dass said, “We are working for the 
betterment of the country.” So, instead 
of working for 8 hours, they worked 
for 14 hours a day. That way, they 
got more production all around in the 
country. 

We too have got to have such a 
revolution. That is how their economy 
improved. Further, the rich man 
realised how could a poor man live 
within Rs. 200. So, he said, increase 
his salary from Rs. 200 to Rs. 300 or 
Rs. 400 or Rs. 500 because they want- 
ed to live a better life. Therefore, there 
was no clash between the managerial 
class and the working class. They work- 
ed together as one man for the develop- 
ment of the nation. If the education 
pattern is job-oriented, one comes to 
accept any job that is available. Every- 
body starts accepting it. One does not 
say, “I want a cushy job or this job or 
that job.” Any job that is available is 
accepted. 

Unless that kind of socialist revolu- 
tion is brought about in the country 
wherein people will work in peace, in 
a coherent manner, support one 
another, work together and the whole 
of the wealth of the nation will be 
utilised for giving more and more em- 
ployment — and that employment will 
be not in capital-intensive industries but 
in job — intensive industries — unless 
that is done. I do not think that this 
problem before us will get the solution. 
Therefore, in supporting the Bill, I 
would request the Government to exa- 
mine it and try to do their very best in 
order to create more employment 
opportunities. 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI BAL- 
GOVIND VERMA) : I would like to 
intervene in the debate on this Bill 
brought forward by Prof. Madhu 
Dandavate. He is trying to insert new 
articles, articles 23A, 23B and 23C, in 
the Constitution. He has said in his 
Constitution (Amendment) Bill: 

“All citizens shall have the right to 
work and shall he entitled to ade- 
quate means of livelihood. 

8—10 LSP/72 


“Failing to procure such means as 
referred to in clause (1), every citizen 
shall be entitled to an unemployment 
allowance to be paid by the State.” 

As we all know, this right to work 
finds a place in the Directive Principles 
of State Policy vide article 39 of the 
Constitution. But his contention is that 
it has not achieved the desired objective. 

I think, it is not justified because he 
already knows that Government is 
making continuous efforts in the Five- 
Year Plans for creation of more and 
more employment opportunities. In 
consonance with the objectives embodied 
in the Constitution, employment has 
been accorded a high priority in the 
successive Five-Year Plans. The Gov- 
ernment Resolution of March' 1950 
clearly states that the objectives of 
planning in India is to promote a rapid 
rise in the standard of living of the 
people by efficient exploitation of the 
resources of the country, increasing 
production and offering opportunities of 
employment to all citizens of the 
country. I think, this is a clear proof of 
the intention of the Government that 
Government is making all-out efforts to 
create opportunities of employment to 
all people. Again m 1954 Parliament 
itself has affirmed and passed a resolu- 
tion that the economic policy is to be 
based on the socialistic pattern of 
society and that the tempo of economic 
activity in general and industrial deve- 
lopment in particular will be stepped up. 
This was the desire of Parliament and 
as a result, an appreciable increase in 
national income has been made and 
employment opportunities have been 
created. 

You might have seen that, in the 
Third Plan, greater emphasis was laid 
on raising the standard of living of all 
the citizens and especially of those 
persons ip low income group and those 
who were lacking opportunities to work. 
Thus you will find that Government 
has made ail-out efforts to create oppor- 
tunities of work to as many people as 
has been possible. Again in 1951 con- 
tinuous efforts were made to generate 
substantial volume of employment 
opportunities. . . 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 
(Burdwan) : What is the figure of the 
unemployment ? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : I do 
not deny that unemployment Is 



223 Constitution Mmtfr.) Bill AUGUST 1 8» 1972 'Constitution (Arndt,) Mill 224 


{Sfari Balgovind Venna] 

increasing. I know, &r, the Govern- 
ment has not been able to eradicate this 
evil of unemployment and there are 
some reasons behind it. . . (Interrup- 
tions) 

The growth of the labour force has 
always been greater than the opportu- 
nities that have been generated in the 
development plans and it is because of 
this that we have not been able to tackle 
this unemployment problem and you 
know also that there was recession in 
the country. There were two successive 
failure of crops and there were three 
aggressions committed against our 
country. All these things had to do a 
lot in checking our onward march to 
solve this problem. 

You will appreciate that in the Three 
Plans alone, that is from 1951 to 1966, 
there were created as many as 31.5 
million jobs, but, at the same time, 
38 million labour force was added to the 
labour market. Therefore, our efforts 
were set at naught. Whatever efforts 
the Government made, those efforts did 
not prove effective. 1 have heard many 
of the hon. Members on this point. I 
share their concern. But, at the same 
time, they will have to appreciate that 
precise estimates are not available about 
the number of unemployed. But, there 
is no doubt it is growing. The Planning 
Commission collected some figures. 
“Some estimates were prepared there 
but those estimates were open to doubt 
on the ground that they lacked statisti- 
cal foundation. So, an expert Com- 
mittee was appointed under Prof. Dant- 
wala and they collected all the estimates 
and they have suggested certain 
measures about improving unemploy- 
ment statistics. 

Sir, lack of data did nor deter the 
Government from marching onward to 
*olve this problem. Rather, the Govern- 
ment tried to take remedial action 
against unemployment. The Govern- 
ment's anxiety i$ quite evident in the 
Five Year plans. In the Fourth Plan 
^emphasis has been laid on the promotion 
of labour-intensive schemes such as 
•construction of roads, soil conservation, 
area development programmes, rural 
electrification programme, village and 
small scale industries programme, etc. 
All these programmes have been taken 
on hand to create employment oppor- 
tunities. Not only this, the weaker 


sections of the society also and also the 
backward areas have received the atten- 
tion of the Government to a greater 
extent. You will see that many schemes 
have been chalked out to create addi- 
tional employment opportunities as this 
will be evident from the following : 

(a) Scheme for development of small 
but potentially viable farmers. 

(b) Scheme for sub-marginal farmers 

and agricultural labour. 

(c) Scheme for development of dry 
farming. 

(d) Drought-prone areas pro- 
gramme, commonly known as 
rural works programme. 

(e) Area Development Schemes for 
development of infra-structural 
facilities like roads, regulated 
markets, etc. 

(f) Scheme for development of agro- 
seivice centres. 

All these piogiammes aie there simply 
to tackle this problem of unemployment. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What is 
the thrust of ycur argument? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : My 
argument is that with regard to the 
right to work he is talking about, the 
Government is doing its best to provide 
work to all its citizens. Also he is 
talking about allowance and other 
things. A crash programme was 
started last year and the idea was to 
give employment to one person from 
each family. 

That programme is being continued 
this year. Last year, a provision of 
Rs. 25 crores was mad^ in the Budget. 
This is for the sake of the educated 
unemployed. 

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SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: I 
think the hon. Member will appreciate 
.that in each district Rs. 12} lakhs were 
allotted by the Government ; work is 
going on in all the districts, I know. 

SHRI SOMNATfl CHATTERJEE : 
Will it be treated as b fundamental right 



225 Constitution {Arndt.) Bill SRAVANA 27, 1894 (SAKA) Constitution (Am*-) Bill 226 


or not? What is being attempted or not 
attempted is not the point. Are you 
going to make it a fundamental right? 

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What 
is the drive of all these statistics that 
you are presenting to the House ? That 
is what they want 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : I am 
arguing out my case on these points, to 
show them, that Government is doing 
its best under the circumstances in 
which we are placed. I am emphasising 
that the Government is doing its best... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is 
not the point. The point is whether you 
would agree to the amendment of the 
Constitution to provide employment to 
everybody. 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : No, 
Sir, ] am opposed to it. I will oppose 
it at the end. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then 
please be brief ; other Members would 
like to make their submissions. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: From 
one irrelevancy to another ! Order 
please. 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : As I 
said, Rs. 25 crores were provided last 
year in the Budget. This is to solve 
the problem of the educated 
unemployed. Continuous emphasis i! 
being, laid on providing entrepreneurial 
training to the educated young men, 
engineers, diploma-holders, etc. Suitable 
financial assistance is being provided 
and other facilities are provided to them 
to generate self-employment. The 
Planning Commission is chalking out a 


plan to give employment to &U those 
engineers who are going without jobs. 
This is being done in the Planning Com- 
mission. The Apprentices Act of 1961 
is being amended in order to bring 
within its purview the apprenticeship 
training of engineering graduates ana 
diploma holders in order to make them 
self-sufficient and to help them stand 
on their own legs. Necessary steps are 
also being taken for strengthening the 
Career Advising and Vocational 
Guidance Programmes in universities 
and schools to channelise the youth in 
productive employment or self-employ- 
ment. Banks are directed that they 
should advance loans to all those who 
want to set up their own industries. 
There is a expert Committee under 
the Chairmanship of Bhagavatiji which 
has submitted its interim report. This 
is being studied in the Planning Com- 
mission, in consultation with the other 
Ministries. . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. 
Minister may resume his seat for a 
minute. 

In the first place, he has taken almost 
15 minutes. There are other Members 
who would like to make their submis- 
sions, and I must honestly say that up 
to this moment I have not been able to 
follow the thrust of his argument. What 
is he driving at? 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : My 
whole purpose in putting forward these 
arguments is that it is no use arousing 
false hopes. We should do everything 
according to the scarce resources at 
our disposal. It ip no use incorporating 
this amendment in the Constitution ; it 
will only arouse hopes and it will go 
against the interests of the country. . . . 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura- 
East) : This will compel Government 
to give them work. 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA : No. 
So far as unemployment is concerned, 
the question of giving unemployment 
allowance has been raised. As far as 
this unemployment allowance is con- 
cerned, you know that the economy of 
the country has not reached a stage 
where this can be thought of. It can 
be thought of only in very advanced 
countries where there is frictional un- 
employment, but in our country where 
the resources are very scarce and where 
we must divert them in other' channels 
to set up more industries which could 



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[Shri Balgovind Veima] 

provide employment to our young 
people, it is no use giving doles. There- 
fore, I oppose this B$ll and this Bill 
cannot be accepted by Government. 

SHRI S. B. GIRI (Warangal) : May 
I seek one clarification from the hon. 
Minister ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Let the 
hon. Member please resume his seat. 
The Deputy Minister of Labour has 
not been replying to debate but he has 
only intervened, as any other Member 
does. This subject relates to the Law 
Ministry, and the reply will be given 
by the Law Minister who is here. The 
stage of seeking clarification at the 
moment has not arisen. He can seek 
clarification from the hon. Minister con- 
cerned when he makes his reply, not at 
this stage. 

SHRI S B. GIRI : Since it relates to 
employment, I would like to ask him . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He can 
ask at the end of the debate. 

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO 
(Bobbili) ; I must congratulate Prof. 
Madhu Dandavate for having brought 
forward this Bill before the House. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 
Will he vote for it ? 

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO : I 
shall presently say why I am not voting 
for it. This Bill highlights certain 
problems which are pressing, and to 
that extent, I think that Prof. Madhu 
Dandavate has succeeded in his attempt. 
Beyond that, I must confess that I am 
not in a position to accept this Bill. 
My reasons will follow presently. 

The burden of this Bill is to transfer 
some of the provisions in the Chapter 
on the Directive Principles of State 
Policy into the chapter on Fundamental 
Rights, That is the crux of the 
problem. So, to what extent this may 
be accepted is a different matter. So 
far as the Directive Principles are con- 
cerned, the question unemployment 
benefit, sickness benefit, disablement 
benefit and the right to work etc. are al- 
ready provided there. 

Today, the problem of unemployment 
has been assuming very alarming 
proportion^ If we look at it we find 
that it is true, and the hon. Minister 
hhfiself Jm referred to several reports 


of the Planning Commission on thn* 
that there has been a growing tendency 
towards further unemployment. But we 
have to look at it in die proper perspec- 
tive. Along with this unemployment, 
we have to see also that there is another 
Directive Principle which is being put 
into effect, namely the provisions for 
free and compulsory education. If you 
look at these two in perspective, you 
will find that they look as if they are 
at cross-purposes. Those sections which 
had previously not been educated 
adequately and had been prevented 
from entering into service and had been 
deprived of the opportunity for employ- 
ment have now been brought into the 
mainstream of employed classes, and 
therefore, new hopes have been created 
among newer sections. The number of 
educated people is thus increasing but 
the malady or the disease is that the 
other sections which are already 
entrenched in the services are firmly 
resisting the entry of these new strata 
of society. This is a very disquieting 
feature, and I hope that this will receive 
the attention of Government. 

Secondly, when we come to the 
nature of the provision about unemploy- 
ment let us see the exact wording of 
art. 41 : 

“The State shall, within the limits 
of its economic capacity and develop- 
ment, make effective provision for 
securing the right to work, to educa- 
tion and to public assistance in cases 
of unemployment, old age, sickness 
and disablement, and in other cases 
of undeserved want”. 

The hon. Minister has stated that we 
do not have the necessary capacity. But 
the directive principle says that we have 
to make a beginning. Did Govern- 
ment make a beginning within the limit 
of their capacity? At least, I insist 
upon the hon. Minister that this should 
be done. There are certain people to 
whom scholarships have been given, out 
of which they have got themselves 
educated. But if they are remaining 
idle and unemployed, is it not the duty 
of Government to give them certain 
unemployment benefit? Should they 
not make a start at least ? 

Similarly, in the case of disabled 
persons, we have not done it. There- 
fore, Government should look into these 
matters. 

Then again, look at the plight of the 
unemployed. It is really tragic that 



229 CortstituttoHAmdt.)BiU SRAVANA 27. 1894 (SAKA) Const iiution(Am4t.)W 230 


these people who axe very much worried 
about their prospects in the future have 
to run from pillar to post at their own 
expense. At least is it not the duty 
of Government not to charge fee for 
application and to give them travel 
allowance for that purpose? Cannot 
that much at least be done by Govern- 
ment ? Therefore, it is the primary duty 
of Government at least to make a 
beginning. 

Having said this, I will now come to 
the provisions of the Bill and say why 
I cannot support the Bill. Both the 
directive principles and fundamental 
rights are fundamental, with a diffe- 
rence. The fundamental rights 
enshrined in chapter 11 are negative in 
character whereas the directive princi- 
ples in chapter IV are positive in 
character. It is extremely difficult to 
enforce positive rights against the State. 
I do not want to quote extensively. But 
according to Salmond : 

“The distinction is one of practical 
importance. It is much easier for the 
law to prevent the infliction of harm 
than to enforce a positive benefi- 
cence. Therefore, while liability for 
harmful acts of commission is a gene- 
ral rule, liability for acts of omission 
is the exception”. 

Therefore, it is very difficult to enforce 
the directive principles. I will explain 
how difficult it is. If you make the 
right to employment in a fundamental 
right under chapter II, how can any 
court issue an order to the Government 
or Parliament to give him employment ? 
Similarly, if you make unemployment 
benefit a fundamental righf, which court 
is competent to say that a particular 
person is entitled to it, and how much 
is to be given to him ? The question 
hinges on practicability. By their very 
nature, these provisions cannot be 
enforced. 

Prof. Dandavate says that these 
rights are not justiciable. That is not 
so; they are justiciable, but not enfor- 
ceable. There is a lot of difference 
between the two. The courts will take 
cognisance of the directive principles ; 
they have to. This is clearly s pedt out 
in art. 37 : 

“The provisions contained in this 
Part shall not be enforceable by any 
court, but the principles therein laid 
down are nevertheless fundamental in 


the governance of the country and it 

shall be the duty of the State to apply 

these principles in making laws'*. 

Therefore, these rights are as much 
constitutional as any other part of the 
Constitution because in the governance 
of the country, the State has to take 
note of them. The State has to play 
a vital role and in this the judicial 
administration is an important 
ingredient. 

The directive principles are outside 
the purview of the fundamental rights, 
though they are as much a part of the 
Constitution as any other provision of 
the Constitution. But they cannot be 
enforced. The very nature of the 
provisions contained therein are difficult 
to be enforced. Therefore, these are 
not such as could be included in Part III 
of the Constitution. 

So, while I am opposing this Bill, the 
Government must take serious note of 
what lies behind this Bill and see what 
they can do about it. Let the legisla- 
tive system be such that they could be 
implemented. 

With these words, I oppose the Bill. 

*SHRI A. M. CHELLACHAMI 
(Tenkasi) : Hon. Mr. Deputy Speaker, 
Sir, I am grateful to you for giving me 
the opportunity to make my maiden 
speech on the floor of this House. 

I would like to say a few words on 
the Constitution (Amendment) Bill of 
Prof. Madhu Dandavate, which is under 
discussion. Prof. Dandavate through 
his Bill wants to incorporate in the 
Chapter on Fundamental Rights of our 
Constitution the right to work and to 
adequate means of lievlihood. He has 
moved this Bill with the best of inten- 
tions. Our Prime Minister, Mrs. Indira 
Gandhi, has been stating, has been con- 
stantly emphasising, the need for 
removing educated unemployment 
prevalent widely throughout the country. 
She is also endeavouring earnestly to 
implement employment-oriented policies 
by creating additional employment po- 
tential in the country. 

The basic and primary requisite of 
the people of our country is work. This 
question of adequate means of liveli- 
hood assumes greater significance in the 
case of unemployed educated young 
men. I have no hesitation in saying 


""The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 



231 Constitution (Am#.) Bill AUGUST 18, 1972 Constitution (Arndt.) BUI 232 


[Shri A. M. Chellachami] 

that the right to work should become 
the fundamental right of every citizen 
of our country. I need not say that 
it is the bounden duty of the Central 
State Governments to provide em- 
ployment to the educated young men 
of our countiy. If it takes longer time 
to create additional employment oppor- 
tunities for the increasing number of 
educated young men, then they should 
be given unemployment allowance by the 
State. If this is not done, the galloping 
educated unemployment will lead to an 
explosive situation in the country. 

One of the Fundamental Rights 
enshrined in our Constitution is the 
right to property. I would like to state 
categorically that the people who enjoy 
this right to property can be counted 
on our finger-tips. The majority of our 
people are undergoing untold hardships 
and they are not getting two square 
meals a day ; they have not got suffi- 
cient cloth to hide their shame ; they 
have not got shelter over their heads 
to protect themselves from the sun and 
showers. So far as they are concerned, 
what is the benefit that they derive 
from the fundamental right of right to 
property ? 

During 1970 in 429 Employment 
Exchanges in our country there were 
45.15 lakhs of applications on the live 
registers. Sir, the placements effected 
during this year came only to 4.47 lakhs. 
I have not included in these figures 
the number of unemployed in the rural 
sector. 40.68 lakhs of applicants are 
still awaiting placement. Their funda- 
mental and basic requirement is the 
right to work. 

No doubt it is stated in the Directive 
Principles of State Policy that the 
State will strive its best to provide 
employment and adequate means of 
livelihood to every man and woman in 
our country. We have recently cele- 
brated the Silver Jubilee of our Indepen- 
dence and in this year of rejoice and 
re-dedication it will be fit and proper to 
have this right to work as a fundamental 
right. 

The recent study carried out by the 
Council of Scientific and Industrial 
Research regarding unemployment 
among technical personnel and graduates 
has revealed that 5.80 lakhs with at 
least 1st class degree in Science, Agri- 
culture, Arts and Commerce, and also 


Engineering Technology were unem- 
ployed in April last year. One can 
console himself or herself that these 
young men might be belonging to mid- 
dle-class families. The situation is really 
irreconcilable so far as the unemployed 
graduates of Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes are concerned. As on 
31st December 1969 11,459 educated 
young men belonging to scheduled 
castes and scheduled tribes were on the 
live registers of the Employment 
Exchanges in the country. I came 
across a news item that this number 
might have gone up to nearly 17,500 
during the year ending 31st December, 
1971. 

Before I conclude, I would appeal to 
the Government that unemployment 
allowance must be given at least to the 
educated young men belonging to the 
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. 
Simultaneously, the Government must 
strive for creating greater employment 
opportunities in the country so that the 
evil of educated unemployment can be 
eradicated. 

With these words I conclude. 

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SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Sir, 
the Bill tries to shift to the Fundamen- 
tal Rights Chapter the right to work 
which is now provided in the Directive 
Principles Chapter. The Labour Minis- 
ter was at pains to explain that the Di- 
rective Principles are almost equi- 
valent to Fundamental Rights and it 
was rightly objected to because while 
the former are non-justiciable, the latter 
are justiciable. It is not a question of 
the ethics of the problem that we should 
be able to provide jobs. In the con- 
text of the Indian conditions, can the 
mover cite any country in the under- 
developed world of Asia and Africa 
where identical circumstances of back- 
wardness or economic under-develop- 
ment prevail, where the right to work 
has been enshrined as a fundamental 
right and put into execution ? It is very 
easy for us to compare ourselves to USA 
or Russia. To that extent I appreciate 
on the intellectual plane the thrust of 
Prof. Dandavate. But if we compare 
ourselves to the conditions of reality 
which prevail here, in that way, the 
Indian socialist model has been accept- 
ed as a good mode, particularly in the 
countries of Africa. For instance, Em- 


peror Haile Selassie of Ethiopia has 
asked his Government to follow the 
Indian model of economic development. 
Can we put the Government in the dock 
by asking them to do a thing which is 
virtually impossible of achievement, 
when we have not been able to translate 
into action the existing fundamental 
rights adequately and when we know 
that there is a tremendous amount of 
backlog in our unemployment? It is 
all right to climb to the top of the 
Himalayas, but where is the ladder to 
do it ? . Therefore, leaving aside the in- 
stinct for popularity involved in such a 
Bill where there is everything for every- 
body, particularly for unemployed and 
the injured section of our society, T 
would like to suggest one thing to the 
Ministry of Labour. 

Even though it is not possible to 
make it ,a justiciable right which can be 
enforced either through the process of 
compensation or obtaining a decree from 
the judiciary, is it not possible to accept 
this demand in principle ? We have 
been saying that there will be support 
price for agricultural produce and old 
age pension for those who are disabled 
and destitute and a certain amount of 
legal andJSnancial protection for the 
unemployed. Is it not possible for us 
to accept this in principle and make a 
beginning with a token amount? Even 
a token old age pension will go a long 
way in alleviating the distress of the old 
people. 

In some States old age pension is paid 
to the extent of Rs. 30. According to 
the statistics of the 1961 census, the 
number of people above the age of 65 
who have no means of livelihood is very 
small. In my constituency, it would not 
cost more than Rs. 4 crores. if it is im- 
plemented. At the same time, the State 
Government is getting a revenue of 
Rs. 16 crores from my constituency. So, 
what is wrong in ploughing back Rs. 4 
crores out of the 18 crores which they 
earn? Also the unemployment dole 
will be only for a short period because 
in course of time those people will be- 
come self-employed. Therefore, while 
at the intellectual plane we would like 
to see that such a provision comes into 
operation, to enshrine it in the funda- 
mental rights at the present juncture 
would be very difficult. 

As Gunnar Myrdal has said, we would 
be making very progressive legislation, 



J37 C<rn8iitutmiAm*.)m SRAVANA27 1894 (SAKA) Con*tMUm(Aw*.)Ml 238 


we would he taking very progressive 
steps, but they will all remain in paper. 
It will not be possible lor us to trans- 
late these various liberal measures into 
action and take them to the grass roots. 

So far as unemployment is concern- 
ed, I want to refer to one more point. 
The employment exchanges have be- 
come notorious as harbingers of corrup- 
tion. It is not only unemployment that 
hurts people but the corruption in the 
agency which has been established by 
the welfare State to provide employment 
for the four million people who are 
in the live register. 

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- 
PATRA (Balasore) : Mr. Deputy- 
Speaker, Professor Madhu Dandavate 
has really evoked keen interest in us, 
and might have gone a long way to 
impress upon the public and the Gov- 
ernment the importance of these vital 
questions which are really exercising our 
minds today. During the last elections 
we went to the electorate with many 
questions and certainly these were the 
most vital questions confronting the 
school-going and college-going children, 
persons who are old and infirm and the 
vast multitude who are unemployed. 

15.59 his. 

[Shri K. N. Tiwary in the Chair ] 

In the Constitution of Soviet Russia 
the right to work has been guaranteed 
as a fundamental right. After the Bol- 
shevik revolution succeeded, m the 
Stalin Constitution of 1936 they went 
to the extent of saying that every man 
should have the right not only for em- 
ployment but also for rest and leisure 
and old age pension. 

16.90 hre. 

All these fundamental rights in the 
Soviet Constitution definitely guide us 
to one conclusion, that is, to haVe social- 
ism in our country. We have to give 
food to the people. The people who 
have voted us to power certainly demand 
that they should live in the world and 
they will not die without food. 

Today, if I am permitted to say on 
the floor of the House, 50 per cent of 
the people are not on human standard. 
They are definitely on sub-human stan- 
dard. Then, 25 per cent of the people 
are on mal-nutrition, towards starva- 
tion, towards human decay. If this 
is the condition, the Government has to 


think seriously and very seriously how 
to give employment to the people.. If 
it means nationalisation of all industries, 
even medium-sized industries, even small 
industries as it is in Burma, nothing 
will stand in the way. But we have to 
give employment to the people. 

There are the Directive Principles. It 
has been said that these are the things 
we are aiming at. But these Directive 
Principles are pious principles; these are 
all a wishful thinking. There is no 
force behind them. There may be moral 
force behind them. But there is no 
legal force behind them. In our coun- 
try today, political rights are justiciable 
but economic rights are not justiciable. 
What about the vast multitude of people 
who want redress of their economic 
grievances ? 

In the Soviet Constitution, it is said 
that citizens of U.S.S.R. have the right 
to work, that is, the right to guaranteed 
employment and payment for their work 
in accordance with quality and quantity. 
(Interruption). What I intend to say is 
that communism says, each according 
to his need and from each according 
to his capacity. That is why probably 
in the Soviet Constitution, it is said 
about payment according to quality and 
quantity. 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate has said 
that there should be right to work and 
shall be entitled to adequate means of 
livelihood. Even if it means Re. 1 a 
day, I will not disagree with him ff 
it is only 1 Kg. of rice or what which 
the Catholic fathers are now giving in 
distress areas, I will not even grumble 
with that. Let it be 1 Kg. of rice or 
wheat for these people who are starving 
today. 

Education is very important. It has 
come opt in the newspapers that, in our 
country, today hardly 30 per cent of 
the people are literate. I am quoting 
an expert who has said that after 25 
years of freedom, there are more illite- 
rates nbw than they were before. Ft is 
due to population explosion only. So, 
the question is how to become confront- 
ed with it. Plato said in his Republic, 
“Education is a means to the harmonis- 
ed development of mind and soul.” If 
you want to harmonise mind and soul, 
you bring in a new India, an egalitarian 
society, the socialism — the greatest good 
to the greatest number of people. Un- 
less you educate the people at least upto 



239 Constitution (Am&t.) Bill AUGUST IS, 1972 Constitution {Arndt.) till 240 


[Sfari Shyamsunder Mohapatra] 

the age of 14 years, tree and compul- 
sory education, the society cannot 
develop. 

The British Prime Minister, Mr. 
Gladstone, when he brought the Edu- 
cation Bill, said in the British House of 
Commons, “Let us educate our mas- 
ters.” Who are our masters/ ? They are 
the people outside, the electorate. So, 
unless we educate our masters, we are 
not doing any justice to them. That is 
why I say that our country is proceed- 
ing towards socialism. 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate's submission 
is that these are vital questions and 
more vital question is giving help to 
the old and infirm people. Sir, you 
can appreciate my point that when we 
are above 60 years of age, we certainly 
need the cooperation of the Government 
to maintain us. 

So, my point is that these old and 
infirm people certainly demand and 
need some food; at least some gratui- 
tous relief, as we give an distressed 
areas, for these old and infirm people 
should suffice. Old and infirm people, 
to quote another expert, constitute 20 
per cent of the population of the Re- 
public of India. Such a vast multitude 
have to depend on their sons and 
daughters who, in this modern age, do 
not certainly care for their parents. 
Therefore, it is the State which should 
guarantee their food. 

With these submissions. 1 appreciate 
Prof. Dandavate's Amendment, but I 
would say that it will not be necessary 
in view of the fact that our Government 
is today alive to these basic principles. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH 
CHAUDHARY) : Prof. Dandavate 

wants that the principles enunciated in 
the Directive Principles of State Policy 
of our Constitution, as they are not 
justiciable and cannot be enforced, 
should be brought under Fundamental 
Rights. By the insertion of three new 
articles he wants to give to all citizens 
the right to work and to adequate means 
of livelihood, failing which an unem- 
ployment allowance of Rs. 5 per day, 
as per the Financial Memorandum, free 
and compulsory education to children 
upto the age of 14 years, and to give 


to every citizen above 60 years of age 
or remaining chronically sick or perma- 
nently incapacitated or disabled, etc., 
some monetary assistance. 

Prof. Dandavate has himself given 
figures of unemployment and other 
figures. I will basically refer to them, 
and wherever he has not given figures, 
I will try to give the figures that 1 have 
with me. He has pointed out that every 
one says that he is in complete agree- 
ment as far as the spirit of the Bill 
goes, but then there are difficulties. I 
will not say anything about the first part 
but will only put forward the difficul- 
ties before him and before the House 
and would leave it to the House to de- 
cide whether it is possible for the Gov- 
ernment to accept this Bill. 

In this very House Dr. Pande, who 
has left the House and is not here now, 
and Dr. Kami Singh had moved two 
Bills in the last Session. They were 
discussed — they were almost identical 
with the present Bill. There were little 
variations here and there. These Bills 
were negatived by this House. 

About the question of unemployment. 
Prof. Dandavate has given the figure of 
14 million of those who are on the live 
registers of employment exchanges be- 
sides those who are under-employed or 
who live in villages and do not avail 
themselves of the facilities of getting 
themselves registered in employment ex- 
changes. If we accept the figure at 14 
millions of those whose names exist in 
the registers and who are not employ- 
ed. and add to that figure those who 
are partially employed and those who 
have not gone to the employment ex- 
changes to get their names registered, 
the total figure may go to many times 
14 millions. If the allowance. Prof, 
Dandavate has suggested is given to each 
one of them, then the figure of the al- 
lowance would be fantastic — it would 
come to Rs. 4,000 to 5,000 crores per 
year; he says that it should be at the 
rate of Rs. 5/- per day per head: that 
means, Rs. 150 per month per head; in 
other words, Rs. 1 ,800 per head per year 
I leave it to him and the other hon. 
members to calculate how much it 
would be. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE 
(Rajapur) : Then give them employ- 
ment. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY 
(Nizamabad) : We will. 



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SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- 
DHARY : The question of giving em- 
ployment has been discussed in this 
House many times and I would not like 
to waste the time of the House in re- 
peating what has been said in the 
House more than once. 

The other provision which he wants 
to add is about education. He suggests 
that there should be free and compul- 
sory education for all children upto the 
age of 14 years. With your permission 
Sir, 1 would like to tell the hon. Mem- 
bers of the House that all education is 
free in two States — Jammu & Kashmir 
and Nagaland. Tamil Nadu has made 
all school education free including the 
secondary stage. In Andhra Pradesh, 
Gujarat, Kerala and Mysore, all educa- 
tion upto the end of the secondary stage 
is free. In Maharashtra, primary edu- 
cations is free and children of parents 
whose income is below Rs. 1200 a year 
have free education at all stages. In 
Rajasthan, all education is free for 
girls and primary education is free for 
boys. In Punjab, Haryana and Madhya 
Pradesh, primary education is free. In 
Uttar Pradesh, education is free for girls 
till the end of class X and for the boys 
till the end of class VI. In Bihar, 
primary education is free for girls in 
classes I to VII and for boys in classes 
I to V. In West Bengal, primary edu- 
cation is free for girls in rural areas in 
classes I to VIII. In the rural areas and 
in some urban areas it is also free for 
boys in classes I to V but in Calcutta 
and some other urban areas it is not 
yet free. In Orissa primary education 
is free. In Assam, primary education 
is free for girls in classes I to VIII and 
for boys in classes I to V. In the Union 
Territory of Delhi, primary education 
is free. The other Union Territories 
follow the pattern of one or the other 
of the States. But in all of them, pri- 
mary education is free. 

The children of the Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes get free education. 
In addition, all educational institutions 
generally allow a certain percentage of 
free studentships. 

It will thus be seen that a massive 
effort has already been made to intro- 
duce, not only free primary education 
as required by Article 45 of the Con- 
stitution, but to provide free education 
at the secondary and other stages also, 
pie main weakness in the present situa- 
tion is that all primary education is not 
free in urban areas of West Bengal, 


and for boys in all primary classes in 
the States of Assam. Bihar and Uttar 
Pradesh. It is estimated that the addi- 
tional cost involved in making primary 
education fully free in these areas would 
be about Rs. 10 crores a year. A pro- 
pdsal to put across this long overdue 
reform by providing special central as- 
sistance to these States is now under 
the active consideration of the Govern- 
ment. 

In spite of these achievements, it is 
still far from easy to introduce univer- 
sal education for all children till they 
reach the age of 14 years. Prof. Dan- 
davate, while speaking, has conceded 
that we have provided free education 
in the age group of 6 to 11. Those 
who are on the rolls, their percentage 
is about 84-85% and about the children 
in the age group of 11-14, he has said 
that the percentage is about 37%. If 
all children in the age group of 6-14 
were to be brought into schools in the 
current year, at present levels of cost 
and efficiency, the total expenditure re- 
quired would be about Rs. 972 crores 
annually which would be even larger 
than the total expenditure we now incur 
on all education (Rs. 950 crores). Apart 
from these financial hurdles, there are 
problems of bringing girls to schools 
and enrolling children from poorer fami- 
lies for whom free lunches, free text 
books and even free clothing will have 
to be provided. The problem of provid- 
ing suitable education to the physically 
and mentally handicapped children in 
this age group is also very formidable 
because the numbers are large and the 
cost per unit is heavy. Moreover, a 
sudden increase in expenditure on pri- 
mary education alone would distort 
priorities not only in educational plan- 
ning but in planning as a whole. 

Government is now considering this 
matter and it is proposed to develop a 
massive programme for the expansion 
and improvement Qf primary education 
during the next 7 to 15 years and to 
achieve the directive laid down by Art 
45 of the Constitution as early as pos- 
sible. I hope Prof. Dandavate would 
agree Jhat the progress we have made 
is such that we should have all the 
children in the age group 6 to 14 in 
the schools by 1981. 

By Clause 23C, he wants an allow- 
ance to be provided for persons above 
60 years of age, who may be ill, who- 
may be destitute, who may be sick r 



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[Shri Nitiraj Singh Choudhari] 

pennanently incapacitated and so on. 
He has not given the figure. J have 
taken figures from the latest census. 
According to the latest 1971 census, 
there are 3.16 crores of persons above 
the age of 60. There are about five 
million blind persons. There are about 
one-and-a-half million people who are 
deaf. There are about five million who 
are orthopaedically handicapped. There 
are about two million who are mental- 
ly retarded. Besides these, there are 
quite a lot of people who are sick. If 
allowance is provided at the rate of Rs. 
4 to Rs. 5 per day per head, at the rate 
suggested by Prof. Dandavate, do you 
know what the figure would come to ? 
It would come to the fantastic figure 
of Rs. 8100 crores per year. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : The hon. Minis- 
ter said that the total number of people 
above 60 years would be 3.16 crores. 
The total cost would come to Rs. 8100 
crores, according to the Minister. How 
does this work out at Rs. 8100 crores 
for 3 crores of people? We are a bit 
worried about the figures. 

SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- 
DHARY : As I said 3.16 crores 
of people above 60 years besides five 
million blind, one-and-a-half million 
-deaf, five million orthopaedically handi- 
capped and about two million mentally 
retarded, for all of them, that would 
be the figure. 

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO : It is 
not Mr. Dandavate’s point that all the 
persons above the age of 60 should be 
provided with this aid. There may be 
persons worth millions in this age group 
there may be persons who are very rich 
in this age group. It is not intended 
for such people. This is only intended 
for such people above the age of 60 
who cannot stand on their own legs. 

SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- 
DHARY : That is exactly the point; 
if relief is provided to these persons, 
the figure would come to Rs. 8100 
crores. If you leave out some fifty 
percent, even then, the figure would 
come to over Rs. 4000 crores. (An hon. 
Member : Four times that of our 
Defence Budget .) The Department of 
Social Welfare is therefore of the opi- 
nion that it? view of the priorities being 
given to children’s services, it would not 
he possible for the Government to bear 


the financial burden which is implied in 
the proposal put forward by Prof. 
Madhu Dandavate, 

In these circumstances, at this stage, 
1 respectfully submit, it is not possible 
for the Government to support this Bill. 

SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO: You 
can as well delete Art. 41 altogether. 
If no attempt has been made at all, you 
can as well delete Art. 41 of the Consti- 
tution. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
When I placed this Bill before the House 
for its consideration, 1 had expressed 
my fear that most probably there would 
be Members of this. House who would 
accept the spirit of this Bill but who 
probably would reject its substance. 
That is exactly what is happening. While 
quite a number of friends have al- 
ready supported this Bill, those who 
have opposed it have said that on prac- 
tical considerations, while accepting the 
spirit they would like to reject the Bill. 
I do not want to take much time over 
this because there are also other urgent 
issues which we have to take up. But 
two or three main arguments have come 
up. 

Firstly, I was not able to understand, 
just as the Deputy-Speaker was not able 
to understand, the argument of some of 
our friends who were trying to argue 
out the entire case for the Government 
and who pointed out how developmen- 
tal activities were being undertaken, 
how more employment was being pro- 
vided, how budgetary provisions were 
being made and so on. Of course, they 
forgot to point — out the gap between 
budgetary provisions and actual imple- 
mentation. But with all that, a case 
was built up as to how the work was 
proceeding. The case was not built up 
to establish the fact that the greatest 
paradox of our time is that while in a 
professed socialist society like ours, we 
are prepared to consider the right to 
property as a Fundamental Right, but 
tragically enough the right to work is 
not being accepted by this country as 
a Fundamental Right. I think that that 
is the greatest paradox of our profes- 
sions of socialism. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu- 
puzha) : The right to preserve property 
is a Fundam&tai Right and not the 
right to give property. 



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PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
That exactly is the paradox of our situa- 
tion. Many practical considerations 
have been advanced. For instance, we 
have been told that as far as the em- 
ployment problem or the problem of 
eduction is concerned, there are certain 
difficulties. For instance, the financial 
memorandum is quoted and it is said 
that even if Rs. 5 per head is spent, 
and everyone above 60 is provided with 
the necessary allowance or old age pen- 
sion, then the necessary resources will 
not be available. 1 am very glad that 
one hon. Member pointed out that 
everyone above 60 need not be given any 
allowance. There are a good number 
of Members of this House who are 
above 60. We are all drawing our al- 
lowances. and 1 do not think that we 
require any means of livelihood at all. 
But, of course, there are people above 
sixty who will need some old age pen- 
sion. It is not my argument that every- 
one who is above 60 must be provided 
with this allowance. That is not my 
argument at all. A certain case has 
been built up over here, and I think that 
excepting probably a few exceptions, 
they have not demolished my case at all. 

As far as the question of giving 
means of livelihood! allowance to those 
who are about 60 etc. is concerned, I 
do not think that any positive case has 
been made that this has to be rejected. 
The spirit has been accepted. There is 
hardly any one who has opposed the Bill 
in toto , in its spirit. Therefore, I would 
very much urge that let the House not 
reject this Bill outright. They can find 
out some via media ; some modus ope - 
randi by which they can postpone the 
further consideration of this Bill. But 
T personally feel that if this particular 
Bill is rejected, we shall go on record 
that this House is opposed to accepting 
the right to work as a fundamental 
right 

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Not the 
House, but the Government is opposed. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
Ultimately, it will come to that. 

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN 
(Badagara) : The hon. Member is con- 
tradicting himself. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
Ultimately, what spirit we are accepting 
does not go on record, but what goes 
on record is that this Bill is rejected 
outright 


1 can understand if it is said that 
Government require some time or that 
this Bill might be sent for eliciting opi- 
nion thereon. Or it might be said that 
since there is a constitutional provision 
involved, we adjourn the discussion on 
this Bill sine die ; that can also be done. 
There are various methods open. Of 
course, one method is to refer this Bill 
to a Select Committee, and I remember 
that when Shri Nath Pai’s famous Con- 
stitution (Amendment) Bill was being 
discussed here, so many Members had 
suggested so many methods to avoid 
the defeat of that particular Bill. There- 
fore, some via media can be found out, 
I would very much urge this House 
that let not this House go on record 
that this Bill has been rejected by it . . . 

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Not the 
House, but the Government is rejecting 


minisiek OF LABOUR 
AND REHABILITATION (SHRI R. 

^w^P^AR) : May I request the 
hon Member that instead of putting 
this dilemma to the House to reject it 
m a manner and thereby dramatising it, 
tie may withdraw it and give Govem- 

!? C . nt o tln il t0 ponder over the whole de- 
bate ? That would be the best course. 


SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
How much time will he require ? inter- 
ruptions). 


t* S ? R L- S ? MNATH CHATTERJEE: 
If the Minister says that after a certain 
time this will become a fundamental 
right m this country, let the Bill be ac- 
cepted and let it be specified that it 

hence° me IDt ° operation ’ sa y* two years 


....... oicmciN : m e opera- 

tive portion of the Bill relates to pay- 
ment of unemployment allowance I 
do not tjiink anybody can plead that as 
a fundamental right. Right to work could 
be a fundamental work, but not the right 
to doles. It can never be a fundamen- 
tal right. 

SH RI R R. KHADILKAR : I must 
make myself clear. When he put a ques- 
bon and asked the House to decide 
whether this House rejects his BiD 
when it accepts the right to property as 
a fundamental right, that is, it rejects 
the right tp work, he dramatised die 
whole thing ( Interruptions ). I made 
this ptea to him. He has raised certain 
fundamental issues of social policy. 



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[Shri R. K. KhadflkarJ 

and he realises, as a good socialist 
that he is, that there are questions of 
priority in the programme. So when I 
said 'pause and ponder and give this 
House some more time’, it means that in 
due course perhaps when we come to 
consider all the questions he has raised 
keeping in view the priority, some of the 
points he has raised could be considered 
at the appropriate time. So I suggested 
that instead of seeing that it is rejected, 
let him withdraw it as the best course 
open 'o him. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
Most of the points that have arisen out 
of the debate have already been dealt 
with. 1 will say only one thing. If the 
feeling is expressed by the Treasury 
Benches that here is a Bill which wants 
the right to work to be established as 
a fundamental right, if that spirit is wel- 
come and at an appropriate time it is 
spelt out m such a way that ultimately 
the right to work becomes part and par- 
cel ot our fundamental rights, between 
the two propositions, getting my Bill re- 
jected and withdrawing the Bill on this 
assurance that actually the Bill will be 
examined, the details will be spelt out, 
there will be a debate on this with due 
acceptance of the spirit of the Bill, but 
further acceptance of the Bill and its 
details in a particular form may be 
deferred, if some sort of assurance is 
given on these lines, I am prepared 
to accept that assurance and on that 
basis, rather than allowing the Bill 
to be defeated, because for me the 
right to work Bill to be defeated, tho- 
ugh some people may take the line af- 
terwards that it was defeated because 
of the attitude of the ruling party — I am 
not looking at it from that partisan 
angle — is something which I cannot 
countenance, because ultimately what 
will go on record is that this supreme 
Parliament has rejected this Bill which 
wants the right to work to be accepted 

as a fundamental right in that 

broader, non-partisan spirit, J am pre- 
pared to withdraw the Bill provided that 
assurance comes. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : I wel- 
come the concluding remarks of my 
hon. friends the Mover. I do recognise 
that he brought forward this Bill to have 
a debate. 1 think he has made some 
points vyhich will provoke a ' national 
debate. , 

* Moved with the recommendation of 


Every member of the House 
will also give serious thought to it 
But as I said earlier, we have to deter- 
mine priorities for social reconstruc- 
tion. In that process, as he has said, 
we will keep the spirit of the Bill in 
mind whenever we frame our social 
policy. With this assurance, I am sure 
he will withdraw it. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
In view of this assurance, I seek leave 
of the House to withdraw the Bill, 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is: 

“That leave be granted to Prof. 
Dandavate to withdraw his Bill 
further to amend the Constitution 
of India.” 

The motion was adopted. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
I withdraw the Bill. 


16 30 hrs. 

PAYMENT OF BONUS (AMEND- 
MENT) BTLL — Contd. 

{Amendment of Sections 2, 10 etc. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 

(Rajapur) : Sir, I move :* 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Payment of Bonus Act, 1965, be 
taken into consideration.” 

16.303 hrs. 

fSHRJ R. D. Bhandare in the Chair ] 

Before I make my observations on 
this Bill, at the very outset, let me ex- 
press my gratitude to the Private Mem- 
bers’ Bills and Resolutions Committee 
for giving category ‘A’ to this Bill so 
that this Bill could get priority over 
all other pending Bills. I had a feel- 
ing that when there is a tremendous 
discontent among the industrial labour 
and the middle-class employees in this 
country on the issue of bonus, and when 
the viewpoint of a number of central 
trade union organisations has not been 
accepted by the Government, and as 

the President. 



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24 * 

a tesult of that, there is seething discon- 
tent in this country, as evidenced by a 
determined strike action of more than 
one lakh of labour in the city of Bom- 
bay.— 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You are using 
this occasion : 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
1 will see that 1 am very much rele- 
vant; I will put it in the frame of re- 
levancy. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : I have not dec- 
lared that your argument is irrelevant. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
So, following the strike action, 1 appea- 
led to the Committee on Private Mem- 
bers’ Bills and Resolutions that if those 
who have sent us here have a feeling 
that the parliamentary forum cannot 
be utilised to ventilate their grievances 
and put forward, before the sovereign 
Parliament in this country, the view- 
point and the need to revise the 1965 
Bonus Act, in that case, it will be a 
disservice to the parliamentary tradi- 
tions and democratic practices. I am 
happy that this point of view was ac- 
cepted and category ‘A’ was given to 
this Bill. As a result of that, I am 
getting priority to move this Bill for 
the consideraton of the House. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 
We congratulate the hon. Member. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
There has been consderable controversy 
about the Bonus Act which was adopted 
in 1965. When the Bonus Act was 
actually introduced in 1965, it was sta- 
ted that there were a number of prob- 
lems that were created by the demand 
for bonus by various categories. In 
order to eliminate all those controver- 
sies and settle these problems in a ra- 
tional maimer the Bonus Act was adop- 
» ted in 1965. 

But after the Bonus Act of 1965 was 
adopted, this particular Act which was 
supposed to have been passed to elimi- 
nate all difficulties regarding the bonus 
problem, created further problems, and 
more controversies were created. For 
instance, formerly there was the LAT 
formula and then there were many 
controversies, and it was felt that pro- 
bably when the new Bonus Act comes, 
many of those controversies would be 
resolved and a new point of view will 
be adopted consistent with, the claim 


and the demand of the trade union or- 
ganisations in this country, represen- 
ting the organised labour. But in reality 
that did not happen. As a result, a 
number of controversies have been 
there. And, therefor, there has been 
a consistent demand that there must be 
an amendment to the existing Bonus 
Act. 

The controversies were regarding the 
scope of the Act : which are the indus- 
tries and which are the employees which 
have to come within the ambit of the 
Bonus Act ? Then again, there were 
controversies regarding the nature and 
the minimum quantum of the bonus to 
be given to the workers. Again, there 
were controversies regarding the very 
concept of the bouns itself. I must ad- 
mit that for years there has been a se- 
rious national debate that was going on 
the very concept of bonus. Some 
interpret bonus as an ex-gratia pay- 
ment. Some interpret it as some sort 
of modus operandi for sharing the 
profit. Some others interpret it as a 
device for sharing the prosperity and 
some try to interpret it as some form 
of modus operandi by which there can 
be a sharing of the surplus. But the 
socialists in this country the organisa- 
tions of the working class in this coun- 
try, have taken up a definite connota- 
tion as far as bonus is concerned. 

I do not consider bonus as some 
sort of a favour bestowed by the emp- 
loyers on the employees. Unfortu- 
nately due to the economic condition 
of our country, we are not able to give 
a living wage to the working class in 
the country. There is a wide gap bet- 
ween the actual wage and the living, 
you may say the need-based wage and 
the actual wage. It is found out by 
statisticians that gap between actual 
wage and the living wage roughly comes 
to 25 per cent of the actual wage. 

• 

The gap being so wide some metho- 
dology must be adopted by which the 
gap between the actual wage and the 
living wage could be bridged. We in 
the working class movement believe 
that bonus is not some sort of ex-gra- 
tia payment it is not a favour, it is a 
device by which to a greater 'or lesser 
extent the gap between the actual wage 
and the living wage could be bridged. 
It cannot be done 100 per cent. There- 
fore, as a first step, bridging of the gap 
could be done to a certain extent. 
Therefore, bonus has to be treated as 



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[Frol Madhu Dandavate] 

a deferred wage. That is the attitude 
the trade unionist in this country has 
taken up, whet her he is from 
the HMS or the ATTCJC or CTTU or 
the INTUC. Almost all these trade 
unionists are agreed that bonus has to 
be treated as a deferred wage and on 
the basis of that various payments made. 

Once bonus is Considered as a defer- 
red wage, and once it becomes clear 
that Jt is a modus operandi to bridge 
the gap, we cannot have compartmen- 
talisation of the Bonus Act that it will 
be applied to X industries or establish- 
ments and not to Y industries or estab- 
lishments. 

The process ot bridging the gap bet- 
ween a living wage and the actual wage 
has to be applied both to the public 
sector and the private sector, local bo- 
dies and all the employees who belong 
the Central Government and) the 
State Governments. Irrespective of 
who are the employers this philosophy 
of the bonus is to be applied to all cate- 
gories of the working class. ‘The mi- 
nimum quantum of bonus in this Bonus 
Act is four per cent of the total annual 
emoluments When the gap is so wide 
we have been insisting that this posi- 
tion has to be changed from 4 to 8.33 
per cent. This is the demand of all 
Trade unions. At a meeting of the 
HMS, INTUC and AITUC held on 8th 
September 1971 it was unanimously 
decided to demand 8.33 per cent bonus 
and the extension of the scope of the 
Bonus Act so as to incorporate in it 
not only private industries but public 
sector industries including departmen- 
tally run undertakings. 

Here I should like to point out to 
you that it is not merely the trade union 
organisations like the HMS, AITUC 
or the CITU which have made this de- 
mand. I shall quote here what our 
Labour Minister had said in one of the 
conferences. The 27th session of the 
Indian Labour Conference held a meet- 
ing in October 1971 and it was opened 
by Shri R. K. Khadilkar who is the 
the Labour Minister. While inaugurating 
this conference he said : 

“Matters relating to bonus payable 
under the Payment of Bonus Act 
have resulted in a good deal of 
unrest and agitation.” 

He will also take note ot the fact that 
ritation continues today also. 


“Government is committed to a 
review of the working of the Act 
but obviously amendment* can be 
promoted only after fluff discus- 
sion and consideration.’ 1 

Since he seems to feel that amendments 
can come only after full discussion I 
felt that it will serve his hunger for 
discussion if I bring forward this Bill. 
I feel that whatever lacunae that exist 
in the Bonus Act of 1965 can be dis- 
cussed and debated in this sovereign 
Parliament and then we can modify 
that Act suitably. With that perspec- 
tive I have brought this Bill. 

The Indian Labour Conference had 
decided that the entire issue of bonus 
should be gone into by a committee and 
the committee should submit its report 
within a period of six months. There 
has been a considerable delay as far 
as the recommendations are concerned. 
Although the Government was com- 
mitted to appoint a committee as far 
back as October 1971, it was only in 
April 1972 that the committee was ac- 
tually appointed. Because of this de- 
lay, we have been consistently deman- 
ding that there must be an interim re- 
port. When the problems are being 
discussed from various angles, it does 
happen that the final recommendations 
come at a later stage. But if one anti- 
cipates delay in the formulation of the 
final recomemndations, it is very neces- 
sary that in the mean time the 
workers who are restive must be 
given an assurance that there will 
be an interim report on the basis of 
which certain actions would be taken 
up. But no such thing has come. In 
spite of the fact that over a number of 
years productivity has gone up, indus- 
tries are making huge profits, wages as 
a proportion of cost of production have 
gone down and the value added by ma- 
nufacturers has also gone up, why sh- 
ould the working class receive only 4 
per cent as bonus? These are the fac- 
tors I have stressed. Of course, in cer- 
tain marginal or exceptional cases there 
may be cases differing from the analy- 
sis I have made, but on a number of 
occasions, the Labour Minister him- 
self has said that this is the position 
of our economy. In view of all this, 
I insist that the clause about the mini- 
mum quantum ot bonus at 4 per cent 
has to be changed and it should be 
8.33 per cent. 

There is another aspect. The ambit 
of the original Bill is such that certain 



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253 Payment of 

industries are completely kept out. 
Industries in which the workers have 
established their efficiency in producti- 
vity, who have established their sense 
of responsibility and who have esta- 
blished that they have a crucial role to 
play in the public sector— even workers 
in such key positions have so far 
remained completely excluded from this 
Act. Take for instance railways, 
nationalised banking industry, insurance 
and so on. There are a number of 
undertakings which are controlled by 
various committees or local bodies like 
the Bombay Electricity Supply and 
Tramways Undertakings which is under 
the Corporation. We have the employees 
of the Central and State Governments. 
All of them are playing a crucial role. 
We are thinking in terms of expanding 
the public sector, bur the fact is in a 
number of directions, the expansion is 
not taking place. Tf the public sector 
actually expands more and more, it is 
very likely that workers will be losing 
their rights. It happens in the case of 
political as well as economic rights. A 
private employee has complete political 
freedom. It he becomes a railway 
employee or an employee of LIC or of 
a nationalised bank, his political rights 
sutler. 

In countries like England and Soviet 
Russia — 1 am trying to take countries 
with differing social systems and ideo- 
logies — more and more rights are being 
given to the government and semi- 
Govcrnment employees, political rights 
as well as economic benefits. In this 
Bill 1 am not discussing political rights. 
As the expansion of the public sector 
takes place, if a number of employees 
come out of the ambit of the Bonus 
Act, it will be a great disadvantage to 
them. Therefore, I propose another 
amendment by which I would like to 
extend the entire ambit of the Bonus 
Act so that it will be possible for the 
public sector employees and others to 
come under the ambit of this particular 
law. 

A controversy is going on in this 
country that only those employees who 
are directly engaged in the Process of 
production should be entitled to bonus. 
In a number of cities like Calcutta, 
Bombay, -Kanpur and Delhi you will 
find a large number of municipal emplo- 
yees, people belonging to the fire brigade 
which is described as an essential 
service, sweepers, scavengers and so on. 
They do not participate in the process 
of production directly; but they do 

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contribute to raising the efficiency of 
the productive apparatus in the country. 
The conservancy staff help in keeping 
the city clean so that people arc free 
from diseases. In that way, they are 
helping the textile workers, dock workers 
and those who are engaged in the 
production of electricity. Even those 
who are engaged in the direct process 
of production, very often their health 
is maintained, their services are main- 
tained by the co-operation of sections 
which are not supposed to be directly 
participating in the process of 
production. 

Take the case of sweepers of ihe city 
of Bombay. Quite a number of them 
belong to the harijans and Scheduled 
Castes sections of the society who are 
destined to do this kind of dirty work 
for alleged sins committed by them in 
the past. Because they suffer in silence, 
docs it mean that they must be made 
to suffer perpetually. To those econo- 
mists who say that the sharing of bonus 
should be limited only to those who 
arc directly participating in the process 
of production, I would pose one ques- 
tion. 

We are the people who have decided 
that the Harijans, the Adibasis, the 
scavengers and the sweepers shculd be 
kept away from the rest of the people 
who arc engaged in the productive 
apparatus so that they may continue to 
do this dirty job. They are suffering 
social oppression because they are 
engaged in this work. Now, as if all 
this is not enough, they say that this 
oppicssed section cannot come within 
the ambit or orbit of the Bonus Act. 
I say that this is wrong. These people 
must be brought within the amjit of 
the Bonus Act. It is from that point 
of view that I have suggested that this 
particular Bill must be amended. 

I have also suggested that some 
clauses must be deleted. For instance, 
there is a clause which says that 20 per 
cent must be the ceiling. These are the 
days when we move for ceilings. But in 
this case, I feel ceiling must be 
removed. Again, as far as the payment 
of bonus is concerned, the clause 
relating to restriction of 20 workers in 
an establishment should be removed. 
There are some consequential changes. 
I do net want to go into the details. 

But there is one aspect which I want 
to draw attention. On this issue a 
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[Prof. Madhu Dandavate] 

Coming back to the city of Bombay, as 
an illustration, there is one pattern of 
logic in which from particular we can 
jump over to the general. Therefore, 
to generalise the case, I will take the 
illustration of Bombay, which is a 
model town, model in all senses. It is 
a model for poverty and affluence, for 
disparity and social oppression ; for all 
sorts of oppressions as well as prosperity 
it is a model. 

I will just take up that illustration. .. 

AN HON. MEMBER : Cultural. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
That is also a part of it. There is 
culture and also a lack of culture. 
Treating some people like scavangers as 
oppressed people ol society and treating 
them as non-productive people in 
society, I consider, according to my 
socialist connotation, that is lack of 
culture. That is the culture we lack in 
a city of Bombay. 

In this connection, one controversy 
is going on. Many economists have 
raised a controversy that it we start 
treating Government employees, Rail- 
way employees. Municipal employees, 
insurance employees, bank employees 
and, particularly, the public sector 
employees as eligible for bonus, if all 
these employees are given the bonus, 
what will happen to the national eco- 
nomy of the country ? Of course, 
while checking the prices, while checking 
up the hoarding, we do not think in 
terms of national economy of the 
country, t am talking about those 
economists, who, while looking at the 
parallel black money economy in this 
country, do not think in terms of a 
threat to national economy 

SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapur) : 
That is not true. We are also thinking 
of it. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I 
am not referring to you. You are un- 
necessarily standing in the dock. 1 was 
referring to some economists. I am 
sure, Mr. Nimbalkar is not an eco- 
nomist. There are economists who have 
adopted those postures. . . . 

SHRI NIMBALKAR: There are 
people whom you call economists who 
say that. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Don’t reply to 
all that. 


PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : 
You can point out to me if any argu- 
ment that I have put forward is irrele- 
vant. If somebody intervenes, I must 
reply to that. 

Now, there are economists who have 
raised this point. If you want, I can 
produce those articles for the benefit 
of our friends. They have put forward 
a point of view that there are limita- 
tions. For instance, if we have to 
extricate black money, there are limi- 
tations to what we can do. There is a 
certain administrative lethargy; there 
is a certain rcsistence. Due to that, 
there is a limitation to recover the 
taxes from those who are evading them. 
In the light of this, a case has been 
built up that if all the employees under 
the public sector, under the municipal 
authorities, under the local authorities, 
are given the bonus, in that case, the 
expenditure will go upto a very big 
amount. 

Here, I want to give an estimate. I 
have worked out the details and I have 
taken the assistance of certain econo- 
mists. I have worked out that if this 
bonus benefit is to be given to all the 
categories of employees, then the rough 
estimate of expenditure will be to the 
tune of Rs. 200-250 crores. If there 
are certain difficulties, in that case, the 
representatives of the Government must 
carry on a dialogue with the trade 
unions and they must point out what 
are the difficulties. I feel, if the expen- 
diture is going to be Rs. 200-250 crores, 
in case the provisions of this Bill are 
going to be implemented, it is a worth- 
while experiment to be carried out, 
especially when living is not ensured. 

I warn about one thing. When the 
workers start demanding bonus 
of 8.3-1 / 3 per cent when they start 
demanding this benefit, one method of 
dealing with them is to defeat their 
agitations, defeat their strikes, to break 
their strikes. I repeat what I told the 
Prime Minister that with the powerful 
machinery of ihe State, it might be 
possible lor the State machinery to cow 
down their struggles, and for some time, 
it might be possible for them to defeat 
them, but just as in the freedom battle, 
Ihe fighter for freedom is never 
defeated, the vanguard of the working 
class in the class struggle also can 
never be defeated. At times, he may 
recede but, ultimately, he will always 
advance so long as the cause for which 
he fights is a correct cause. 



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Before resuming my seat, I request 
the Labour Minister to look at the 
problem in a proper perspective. Rather 
than suppressing the legitimate demand 
of the working class, he should try to 
have a rapport with them, try to under- 
stand their point of view, and try to 
debate the issue about bonus. My 
effort, through this amending Bill, is 
only to initiate this debate and put the 
entiie problem in a correct perspective 
and make concrete proposals to modify 
and amend the out dated Bonus Act 
of i965. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Payment of Bonus Act, 1965, be taken 
into consideration.” 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 

I rise to support the Bill moved by my 
hon. friend. Mr. Khadilkar is here : T 
am happy about it. It was he who, wi;h 
the help of some trade unionists, 
evolved this formula of minimum bonus 
of 8.33 per cent. It is now known as 
Khadilkar formula and if this Bill is 
adopted, it will be known as Khadilkar- 
Dandavatc foimula. 

A minmum bonus of 8.33 per cent 
has become the common demand of all 
workers. Even today what is happening 
in Bombay ? More than a lakh of 
employees who are on strike there 
demand a bonus of 8.33 per cent. The 
textile employees throughout the 
country — in Bombay, Kanpur and other 
places — demand a minimum bonus of 
8.33 per cent. This Bonus Act has 
become obsolete. They have got two 
Balance Sheets and on the basis of the 
visible Balance Sheet, which they show 
they only pay four per cent. The 
British India Corporation paid only loui» 
per cent, but then there was a strike 
in Kanpur — in Lai Imli Mills, etc. Then 
they paid six per cent and in certain 
cases 8.33 per cent, I should thank 
Mr. Khadilkar for intervening in the 
strike at Kanpur of textile workers and 
having forced the management to agr^e 
to pay in advance till the matter is 
finally decided, whether the workers are 
entitled to 8.33 per cent or not. Four 
per cent is out of date. Naturally this 
particular Amendment should bo 
accepted. 

My friend has also moved that section 

I I of the Bonus Act be deleted. vScction 
11 deals with the maximum bonus. The 
ceiling has been laid down as 20 per 
cent. He wants deletion of that. But 
when we delete that, let there be a 
proper substitute. This should be 


substituted properly because once it is 
deleted then the employers may think 
that for workers the sky is the ceiling 
and for them it would be whatever is 
available after deducting all those 
things according to the formula may be 
even less than 20 per cent. Therefore, 
a suitable amendment should be brought 
to substitute section 11 of the Act. I 
would request them to see whether this 
could be amended. 

My hon. friend has also mentioned 
about the employees in public under- 
takings. The terms ‘public under- 
takings’ will not cover the employees of 
Defence, Posts & Telegraphs and Rail- 
ways because they are all departmentally 
run ; they are called government em- 
ployees or government departmental 
employees. That should be properly 
substituted so that the desire of the 
hon. Member, rather the desire of all of 
us, is met and all the Central Govern- 
ment employees — Defence, Posts & 
Telegraphs and other allied organisa- 
tions — are also covered or brought with- 
in the purview of Bonus Act. 

My hon. friend touched a very 
serious point — who should get bonus ? 
It was said that those who are connect- 
ed directly with production should get 
bonus. I have worked in a Defence 
organisation for 20 years. 

17.00 hrs. 

In a particular factory, some people 
aie directly connected with production. 
Some people are connected incidentally 
with production. Some people are con- 
nected to provide material to those who 
are producing. Unless this mass opera- 
tion goes on, no production can be 
complete. After all, mass production 
is divided into various operations and 
every one, right from the General 
Manager to the ordinary worker, 
whether skilled or unskilled or semi- 
skilled, whether industrial or non- 
industrial, whether managerial, super- 
visory or ministerial, every one is con- 
nected with the production. Production 
cannot be made only by two people 
without the help of others and unless 
they are provided with material and 
other things which will enable them to 
produce. So, the definition of this 
should be changed completely. Whether 
it is defence industry or the P & T 
works or the railway industry, every 
worker is connected with the production 
or incidentally connected with produc- 
tion, directly or indirectly connected 
with production and he should be 
brought within the purview of this 
particular legislation. 



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[Shri S. M. Banerjee] 

I know the hon. Minister is aware 
that whether it is a railway employee 
or a P. & T. employee or the defence 
employee, they are all indebted to him, 
they are all thankful to him, for accep- 
ting the unanimous demand of the 
Members of the Consultative Committee 
on Labour which met on the 24th of 
July in Delhi, when they demanded 
that all employees should be brought 
within the purview of this Bonus Act 
and I hope he has forwarded it to the 
Government and the Government 
should, in all fairness, accept if. How 
can they possibly deny the employees 
working in the ordnance factories when 
you are paying the same bonus working 
to a worker in the HAL ? How can 
you deny this to a man working in the 
Ambazhari ordnance JLactory when you 
are paying bonus to a worker jn some 
of the defence factories like the HAL ? 
In that vvay there is the discrimination. 
Now, they have paid Rs. 5 crores more 
to the insurance companies after 
nationalisation only because there is the 
discrimination between an Indian insu- 
rance company and a foreign insurance 
company. Let them remove this dis- 
crimination and see that all employees 
are covered under the Bonus Act. The 
State Government employees who are 
also connected with production and 
working in various State Government 
workshops should be associated with 
it. 

I am also supporting the demand of 
the hon. Member that people at the 
lowest stage also should be covered. 
What about the poor Harijans, the 
scavengers, the Farasbas and 
others- 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY 
(Nizamabad) : Carpenter also? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Carpenter 
is a skilled job. Carpenter will change 
your face. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : 
Is it ?in unskilled job — working in 
factories? He will paint you. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : He is 
already painted. 

The question is : whether he is a 
skilled worker or a highly skilled worker 
or an unskilled worker — all should be 
ticated alike and should be brought 
within the purview of this legislation. I 
would request you to kindly accept 


this Bill. Until the Committee appoin- 
ted for the purpose submits its recom- 
mendation to the Government, let him 
accept this Bill in good faith when he 
sincerely believes that there should be 
no discrimination, that there should be 
no ceiling, when he believes that we are 
really marching towards socialism, which 
I very much doubt, then he should 
accept this Bill. Otherwise, the only 
request I will make to him is to go out 
of the House. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Don’t challenge 
his honesty. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I envy 
him, Sir. 1 am enamoured of him. I am 
one of his admirers. The difficulty is 
not with him. But there are some 
people, on the top, highly skilled 
people, who would not allow it. He 
wants to do a skilled job but the people 
on the top, the so-called highly skilled 
people, would not allow him. He should 
accept the Bill in both letter and spirit 
simply he should not accept it in spirit. 

With these words, I fully endorse the 
Bill and there is no question of argu- 
ment. I would request you that the 
entire woiking class in the country is 
groaning. There is going to be a 
countrywide agitation on the bonus issue 
unless the minimum bonus is increased. 
The hon. Minister is the inventor of this 
formula. I, therefore, expect that he 
would accept this Bill both in letter and 
in spirit. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu- 
puzha) . I rise to support this Bill. 
When 1 say, I rise to support this Bill, I 
would like to bring to the attention of 
the honourable House the character of 
the industrial situation in the countiy. 
The working class part of the industrial 
structure of the country today is as if 
on the edge of a valcano on the question 
of bonus. This question of bonus, with 
reference to minimum bonus, and in 
addition, the question of coverage, has 
been a matter which has been agitating 
the organised working class for a long 
time. It has got a long history. Sir, I 
do not want to cover the entire field. 

Sir, the character or the concept of 
bonus was being agitated upon for a 
number of years and there were two 
poin s of view in this regard. One 
view was that it was a deferred wage; 
another view was that it was profit- 
sharing. Without prejudice to the claim 
of the working class for regarding it as 
profit-sharing, there were demands, that 



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this aspect of bonus has got an aspect 
of being a deferred wage. This was 
urged on the ground of the great gap 
witnessed between the living wage and 
the actual wage. 

This aspect of the bonus question as 
deferred payment was grapled with 
about a quarter of a century ago in the 
State from which I am coming. That 
was when Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Ayyar 
was the Dewan of Travancore. He 
convened a Tripartite Conference. He 
said, whether there was profit or loss, 
the workers must be paid a minimum 
of tour per cent. That sort of demand 
was made by the Government itself. 
Kindly note that 25 years back that 
proposition was accepted. On that basis, 
bonus was being paid. Then came the 
LAT, Labour Appellate Tribunal 
formula. This was the cause and the 
forum tor disputes and agitations with 
the result that we witnessed continuing 
annual recurrence of disputes and agi- 
tations. So, even the Supreme Court 
stepped in and directed the Government 
to examine this question of the Bonus 
Formula. 

In 1961, the Bonus Commission was 
appointed and they submitted their 
Report in the year 1964. The trade 
unions were unanimous in their demand 
regarding the minimum bonus. The 
INTUC put up a memorandum urging 
among other things that 8 1/3 per cent 
must be the minimum and that 50 per 
cent must be the maximum. This 
demand was put up by us. We said 
that all sectors engaged in production, 
whether it was the public sector or the 
private sector, must get the benefit of 
this minimum bonus. 

The piinciple was the one that was 
enunciated by the Supreme Court that 
basically bonus was an effort to bridge 
up to the extent possible the gap bet- 
ween living wage and the actual wage. 
The Bonus Commission recommended a 
bonus of 4 per cent subject t6 a mini- 
mum of Rs. 40. To say that it must 
be subject lo a minimum of Rs. 40 is 
to concede that there are industries 
working on a factory basic which would 
bring to the worker an annual wage of 
less than Rs. 1000 ; otherwise, Rs. 40 
has no relevance. So dismal was the 
position. The question now is this. 
Does a worker who is gettting Rs. 1000 
per year have a living wage? Is he 
getting the need-based minimum? Ts 
he ^ getting a bare wage? Ts he 
getting even the minimum wage ? 


Obviously not, and therefore, an annual 
insured amount was assured for him 
and it was said that that amount might 
be given. The Bonus Act was enacted 
in 1965, and with the enactment of the 
measure, discontentment again started. 
For, the problems which the Act sought 
to solve were not solved. The recom- 
mendations were tampered with. Certain 
recommendations only were accepted by 
the private employers. Certain safe- 
guards and provisions to that effect were 
incorporated in the Act, but those 
provisions were struck down. The 
actual income-tax that had to be paid 
was taken into account as per the 
contemplation of the Act. But the 
Supreme Court said that it was to be 
the income-tax on the basis of the 
national gross income. Therefore, 
another amendment had to be brought 
forward. Amendment after amendment 
had to be brought forward in order to 
keep the original concept intact as much 
as possible. Whatever the worker was 
getting formerly was safeguarded by a 
provision in the Act. The Supreme 
Court put another interpretation on it 
and that was struck down. All along* 
the demand has been going on this 
country that the minimum bonus must 
not be 4 per cent but it must be 8 1/3 per 
cent. Then, there is a provision that 
all the public sector industries which 
are non-competitive must be outside the 
purview of the Act. But what has 
happened in effect ? 

Government had to issue directions 
even to those public sector industries 
saying that despite what the Bonus Act 
said, but they might pay bonus and call 
it ex-gratia, and thus, in spite of the 
provision in the Act, the industrial units 
of the Government, the non-competitive 
ones have been giving bonus and calling 
it ex-gratia. Therefore, that provision 
m the Act has been thrown to the winds. 

Again, in the private sector, take the 
case of the textile industry. The textile 
workers were never satisfied with this. 
In 1969, in Coimbatore, an agreement 
was entered into accepting the propo- 
sition that the bonus would be af the 
rate of 8 1/3 per cent; of cpw^c, a 
proviso was put in that it would be 
subject to the final shape that it would 
take. Again, in 1970 another agreement 
was entered into by the Coimbatore 
mills that the rate of bonus would 
be 8.1/3 per cent, in spite of the fact 
that 4 per cent was the minimum 
prescribed in the Act. 



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tShri C. M. Stephen] 

Sir, 1 come from Kerala, and there 
also, the industries even in the unorga- 
nised sector, whether it be coir, or 
cashew or handloom etc. they have now 
provided without evaluating the profit 
for a bonus of even 9 per cent. In the 
case of Government industries, it has 
become the practice that profit or loss, 
•everyone would be given 8 per cent 
or 9 per cent or 10 per cent or even 
11 per cent. Even in plantations, the 
private capitalists have admitted that 
irrespective of whether the industry is 
making profit or not, the bonus would 
be at the rale of 8 per cent or 9 per 
cent or 10 per cent. 

I am pointing all this out in order to 
show that wherever the working class 
is organised, this provision remains a 
dead letter, and 8 1/3 per cent has 
become the order of the day, wherever 
the working class can assert itself. 
There has been a unanimous demand 
on this matter so much so that in 1970, 
Shri D. Sanjeevaiah had to give an 
assurance in Bombay that Government 
were reconsidering the position and that 
an amended legislation might be brought 
forward. He had given that assurance 
while addressing a meeting under the 
auspices of the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor 
Sangh. 

Subsequent to that, when a private 
member’s Bill on the sell-same question 
was discussed here, an assurance was 
given by Government that they them- 
selves would bring forward a compre- 
hensive Bill on the basis of which the 
Mover was asked to withdraw the Bill 
and he withdrew it. Again after Shri 
Khadilkar took over, this question came 
up. The State Labour Ministers’ conle- 
rence took place. There everybody 
almost unanimously demanded that the 
4 per cent formula must be struck down 
and 8.1/3 per cent must become the 
pattern of the day. 

The issue came up again in connec- 
tion with the demand of the textile 
workers of Bombay. Then what has 
now come to be known as the Khadilkar 
formula was evolved. Shri Khadilkar 
can take the credit for it ; his name will 
go down in history as the author of 
that formula. What is the essence of 
it ? First' 4 per cent was given the gp- 
by and minimum must be 5 1/3 per 
cent. Then without deducting return on 
capital, without deducting provision for 
^reserve, without making allowance for 


rehabilitation but allowing only for 
normal depreciation, if there is availa- 
ble a surplus, on a graded scale bonus 
would be given going up to 8 1/3 per 
cent. That is, in cases where formerly 
if the bonus formula was applied, they 
would get only 4 per cent, they would 
now get 8 1/3 per cent. 

Two things were accepted as a result 
of the Bombay textile workers' demand. 
The 4 per cent formula was dispensed 
with; 5 1/3 per cent has got to be given. 
But it can go upto 8 1/3 per cent even 
when there is a loss. This formula was 
also applied in Ahmedabad. A list of 
mills was drawn up. Except tor 
12 mills, all mills were producing 
balance sheet and profit and loss 
account. This formula is now being 
applied to every public sector industry. 
Bonus of 8 1/3 per cent has become the 
order of the day. 

If the Labour Ministers of all States 
wanted it, if the labour unions all over 
India demanded it, if the employers 
who arc bargaining with workers are 
compelled to agiee to 8 1/3 per cent 
throughout, if the 4 per cent formula 
has become a dead letter and is buried, 
then the question remains why the ques- 
tion of 4 per cent must be raised at all. 
The question raised must be : why it 
should not be 8 1/3 per cent. The 
question should be asked the other 
way round. The question should 
be: why not 8 1/3 per cent? If 
the tripartite agreement specifies 
8 1/3 per cent, if everybody says 
it should be 8 1/3 per cent, if the 
Labour Ministers of all States say it 
should be 8 1/3 per cent, if the late 
Shri Sanjivayya had said that 8 1/3 per 
cent had to be considered, if the 
Khadilkar formula stipulated 5 1/3 per 
cent with the expectation that it could 
go upto 8 1/3 per cent, naturally the 
question that follows is : why not 8 1/3 
per cent and not why 8 1/3 per cent? 
If this is not conceded, anything may 
happen. Let the tallest in this country 
stand against it ; whoever stands against 
it does so at his own peril because that 
is not going v to be considered. 8 1/3 
per cent will have to be given. If 
there is delay in giving it, it only means 
unnecessary dislocation. This is inevi- 
table, a must 8 1/3 per cent. 

Then when did the 4 per cent formula 
come up ? In* 1965. Will you not con- 
cede that real wages have eroded in the 
last five or six years ? Has that erosion 
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making up of the gap, should not 
that erosion be accounted for ? Is that 
not an argument to revise the 4 per cent 
upwards to fnake it 8 1/3 per cent? 
That being so, it has got to be done. 
Even before the puja season is coming, 
the bonus season is coming, it has got 
to be done. Otherwise, dislocation will 
take place. Industrial work will be dis- 
rupted; things will become difficult and 
unnecessarily forces will unleashed. 
1 hope employers will have sufficient 
sense to act betimes. The interim 
report may or may not be submitted or 
considered in time. But Government 
have got to tackle this problem very 
seriously. 

The other question is about the areas 
where the coverage must take place. Of 
course, it has been demanded that the 
coverage must be extended to different 
areas and that the public sector must 
be covered ; but in regard to the public 
sector the question as to which area or 
which character of that sector is to be 
covered has to be gone into. Anyway, 
the present absurd provision in the Act 
lhat every public sector which is compe- 
titive may get it and every public sector 
which is not competitive may not get 
it is to be taken out, and there is abso- 
lutely no rationale about it. That is not 
the way in which this has got to be 
looked at. There has to be a fresh 
look into this. Before things become 
rather hot, let the forces that are 
responsible become alert and address 
themselves to this task, because, if that 
is not done, things may go beyond our 
control and at this time, when produc- 
tion is the most important thing, let not 
the producing wheels be disheartened 
and a calamitous situation invited. 

With these words, I support this Bill. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 
(Burdwan) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, we 
very strongly support this Bill so far as 
it seeks to revise the minimum bonus 
under the Payment of Bonus Act- 
We feel that in 1965, the rate that was 
provided in the Payment of Bonus Act 
was an apology for payment of bonus. 
Four per cent which has been provided 
in this Act has never satisfied the 
workers. Considering the state of 
economy in this country, the rising cost 
of living, four per cent is worse than an 
apology. All the recognised trade 
unions in this country have been 
demanding that at least the minimum 
bonus should be raised to 8.33 per cent, 


that is, one-twelfth of the total emolu- 
ments. But, as has been pointed out by 
other hon. Members, in practice, the 
rate of minimum bonus has now been 
8.33 per cent, and Mr. Khadilkar him- 
self has advocated this rate. Therefore 
there can be no reason why at least a 
statutory provision should not be made 
in the Act, so that the employers are 
forced to pay at least this minimum 
amount, even though it is not sufficient. 

So far as the coverage is concerned, 
we have always felt that in the Act, 
artificial standards have been laid down 
without any rationale being there for 
excluding some of the types of industries 
or some of the types of workers from 
the benefit of the Payment of Bonus 
Act. The public sector was brought in 
a very limited manner, within the scope 
of this Act. 


As Mr. Stephen pointed out, only in 
the case of competitive public sector 
units this was applicable. That is why 
we feel that the suggestion which has 
been made by Prof. Dandavate in this 
Bill is very welcome. As a matter of fact, 
we would have been happier if the pro- 
vision had been made wider and instead 
of only the public sector undertakings, 
the Government employees had been 
brought within the scope of this Bill. 


There is one provision with regard to 
which I wish to draw the attention of 
Prof. Dandavate. Probably he has not 
considered it from the aspect which I 
am now placing. Section 11 of the 
existing Act provides that the maximum 
bonus will be 20 per cent. Section 10 
provides that the minimum bonus will 
be four per cent, or Rs. 40 whichever 
is higher. But under the present Act, 
the obligation to pay bonus at a rate 
above four per cent is because of the 
provision contained in section 11. But 
even if there is a ceiling of 20 per cent, 
Mr. Dandavate, in clause 4 of this Bill, 
has suggested that the entire section 11 
should be omitted. 


What will happen? So far as the 
maximum bonus is concerned, there 
will be no provision. Although he 
wants to get rid of the ceiling under 
section 11, what will happen is, if clause 
4 of the Bill is adopted, no employer 
will have any statutory obligation to pay 
bonus over and above the one-twelftn 
as has been suggested in the cl&w*^ 



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AUGUST 18, 1972 


Beuns (Arndt.) Bill 268 


[Shri Somnath Chatterjee] 

Therefore, I request Mr. Dandavate to 
suggest an amendment to this clause. 


SHRI K. NARAYANA RAO 
(Bobilli) : It follows from the formula. 
There is a formula for it. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 
In case more than twenty per cent can 
be given, why not give it ; why should 
there be a ceiling at 20 per cent ; if the 
employer can afford to pay more, it 
should be paid. Therefore we want the 
ceiling imposed in clause 1 1 should go. 

There is another aspect — the way the 
surplus has to be calculated has been 
laid down in the first schedule. It is the 
experience of persons who have had to 
do something in connection with the 
enforcement of the Payment of Bonus 
Act before the tribunals that great diffi- 
culties are faced in calculating bonus, 
available surplus and allocable surplus. 
I am sure Mr. Gokhale will agree with 
me having wide experience of this 
branch of law. I request the Labour 
Minister to give intensive thought to this 
problem and to suggest amendments to 
the Payment of the Bonus Act which 
will simplify the procedure. All these 
provisions for making deductions are 
being utilised by the employers for 
showing that the available surplus is 
less. All sorts of complicated methods 
of calculation have been laid down in 
the statute and it is really defeating the 
very purposes of this legislation. 

The urgency of the matter cannot be 
denied. Throughout the country labour 
is restive because they feel that the 
minimum bonus which they consider to 
be reasonable, 8.33 per cent, is being 
denied to them. In Bombay thousands 
of workers have to go on strike for 
getting an assurance for this amount of 
bonus which everybody in this House 
considers to be a very reasonable 
amount. If we want industrial peace 
to be maintained in this country* this 
minimum should be assured and it 
should be satutorily provided, not left to 
the employer-employee negotiation, 
allowing the employers to go on manipu- 
lating their balance sheets and profit and 
loss accounts. For the proper develop- 
ment of industrial production and main- 
tenance of industrial peace, this is the 
minimum I expect of the Government. 
Mr. Khadilkar having already accepted 


the principle, I do not see any reason 
why he should not accept it here, unless 
there are pressures to the contrary from 
more important quarters that this should 
not be accepted. 


1 shall refer to clauses 8 and 9. Clause 
9 deals with section 3 of the Act, sub- 
clauses 1, 4 and 10. The first deals with 
general insurance employees. (4) deals 
with persons employed by establishments 
engaged in industries carried on by or 
under the authority of any department 
of the Central Government or the State 
Government or local authority and 
(10) refers to employees in establish- 
ments in the public sector, save as other- 
wise provided under this Act. Now with 
the increase in public sector under- 
takings in number as well as in extent 
it is necessary that those who are in the 
public sector undertakings should be 
brought within the ambit of this Bill 
so that they get the benefit out of this 
Bill. 


Therefore, we very strongly support 
this Bill and I request Prof. Dandavate 
to consider amending clause 4, so that 
the minimum bonus may not otherwise 
become the maximum bonus. 


SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: 
Sir, I really want to congratulate Prof. 
Dandavate on having brought this Bill 
at the most opportune time, because 
there is w idespread drought in the coun- 
try. 80 per cent of the country is under 
drought and the remaining 20 per cent 
under floods. Industrial production has 
gone down from 12 to 2 per cent. Idle 
capacity in factories is increasing per 
unit cost has gone up. Under such cir- 
cumstances, he has brought a very 
grand Bill of which the communists 
and socialists are boasting so much. I 
congratulate him because the Labour 
Minister is acting as a super trade union 
leader and conceding point after point 
Last time he conceded gratuity even for 
an illegal strike period. There is no 
wonder if he is going to grant this also. 
1 want to know how many people are 
living in this country. Only, the 50 Jakhs 
or 1 crore of labour are living and the 
labour leaders are living. The remaining 
55 crores of people are not living. No- 
body cares for them. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : He may continue 
on the next day. Now we will take up 
the half-hour discussion. 



2j9 Control by SRAVANA 27, 

17.32 hrs. 

HAUF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION 
Control being exercised by I.O.C. 

OVER THE FUNCTIONING OF iNDO-BURMA 

Petroleum 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Horbour): Sir, this is about 
lndo-Burma Petroleum, a subsidiary of 
Indian Oil Corporation which is a 
public sector venture, taking over B ai- 
mer Lawrie Company. I maintain this 
was taken over at a severe loss to the 
exechequer, spending Rs. 67 lakhs, a 
good part of it in foreign exchange. It 
was a direct deal cleared by one of the 
principal executives of the Prime 
Minister’s Secretariat. It was an old 
East India managing agency house. It 
had a sprawling empire and in 1967 
the assets were about Rs. 5,42,35,000. 
The decline started from the time when 
the Goenkas headed by R. P. Goenka 
of Duncan Brothers took over. By 
siphoning out money, the company was 
made dry and the share prices in the 
bazaar fell from Rs. 200 to Rs. 66 in 
a very short space of time. The com- 
pany started losing money and it com- 
mitted economic offences also. If you 
read the report of the Industrial Licens- 
ing Policy Enquiry Committee, Appen- 
dix IV F, you will find that in the case 
of Balmcr Lawrie Company, the per- 
centage ot excess production in 1967 
over licensed pioduction was one 
hundred. They can be easily called the 
economic offenders of the country. 

This company was identified as a 
sinking ship and Goenkhas headed by 
R. P. Goenkhu wanted to get rid of 
this company. Even though they offer- 
ed this company in the bazaar lor sale 
at Rs. 4 below the lowest quotation in 
1971 which was Rs. 58, there was no 
buyer because nobody will dare to 
touch, a company without a future. 
Government in fact felt very sympa- 
thetic and they wanted to help Mr. 
Goenkha and they came to his rescue. 
Only the other day, the LIC and IBP 
jointly had controlling shares when 
the company was in a good condition. 
Why is it that LIC had sold the shares 
to R. P. Goenkha? Why is it that IBP 
and LIC allowed R. P. Goenkha to 
take control of Balmer Lawrie Com- 
pany?" Was it not done to give him a 
chance to rob the company? My infor- 
mation is, R. P. Goenkha bribed Mr. 
White Head of Steel Brothers, which 
was controlling IBP once upon a time, 


1894 (, SAKA ) f.O.C. over Indo - 270 

Burmo Petroleum {HAH) 

by paying him Rs. 5 lakhs, who ins- 
talled him physically in Balmer Lawrie 
Company, although he was only a 
minority shareholder. 

Coming to the present issue, Duncan 
Brothers headed by Shri R P. Goenka 
had 32,500 shares representing 22.5 
per cent in Balmer Lawrie and 43,431 
shares representing 30.9 per cent in 
Shri Gokhale’s company with a pre- 
emptive right to acquire holdings of 
Alex Lawrie, the mother sterling com- 
pany in the city of London. The Alex 
Lawrie Company had 38,625 shares re- 
presenting 27.5 per cent of the shares. 
Of course, they had to be paid in very 
dear foreign exchange, when you say 
you are running short of it. The pre- 
emptive condition was there to prevent 
the control of Balmer Lawrie & Co. 
passing away to a third party. The move 
came from Shri R. P. Goenka. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: What is th e rele- 
vance of Shri R. P. Goenka, Balmer 
Lawrie and all that in the discussion on 
IOC? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I will 
report what I mentioned in the explana- 
tory note, which enabled this half an 
hour discussion. The Minister in the 
course of his reply mentioned about 
take over of Balmer Lawrie Limited. 
In the piocess Government was unable 
to provide lacts which were indispens- 
able. The Minister promised to provide 
i.t later, in this deal Government paid 
Rs. 95 for each share, whilst its quoted 
price did not exceed Rs. 65. Moreover, 
the company was heavily losing and 
there was no buyer. At this point, Gov- 
ernment came for the rescue. Replies to 
such a question were given in a per- 
functary manner and hence this notice. 

The move came from Shri R. P. 
Goenka that either IBP should buy their 
share or they should buy IBP. Shri R. 
P. Goenka, a very dear friend of the 
government, a very powerful person, 
succeeded in pressurising IBP. The 
IBP, instead of buying the shares of 
Shri R. P. Goenka, could not exercise 
the pre-emptive right to control Balmer 
Lawrie along with its own 30.5 per cen A 
share. The moment negotiation was 
contemplated, it was in the air, Shri 
Goenka started manipulating the Cal- 
cutta share market and it was made 
bullish. Shares started rising. From 
Rs. 66 it rose to Rs. 94 in two days in 
June 1972 and IBP bought Shri 
Goenka’s 32,540 shares at Rs. 95 each 



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Petroleum (HAH) 

[Shri Jyotirmoy BosfljJ Cables Corporation Ltd and submitted 


and Alex Lawrie’s shares of 38,625 
were paid at Rs. 85, and no doubt they 
were paid in foreign exchange. That is 
how Rs. 67 lakhs of white money was 

f iven in excess in this deal to Shri R. 

Goenka. Here I want to quote from 
the Financial Express. 


Year 

High 

Low 

Closed 

1971 June 

. 72 

58 

64 25 

1972 June 

95 

72 

62 


This will show that a lot of money has 
been paid in excess to Shri Goenka. 
The Government could have exercised 
its right under the pre-emptive condi- 
tions and could have bought the shares 
in the market at Rs. 4 less than the 
lowest quotation, if they wanted to. 
Instead of that, they gave almost double 
the price that this man was entitled to. 

This morning also there was a ques- 
tion and a reply about CBI inquiry of 
Balmer Lawrie, the Asian Cable Corpo- 
ration of Shri R. P. Goenka, where 
Shri Raghunatha Reddy says: 

“According to the information 
available with the Department of 
Company Affairs, the CBI have 
registered cases against the follow- 
ing five companies in the K. P. 
Geonka Group for infringement 
of provisions of Import and Ex- 
Port (Control) Act, 1947 . . 

There are five cases; the prosecutions 
are there. That is the man who has 
been patronised with Rs. 67 lakhs . . . 
( Interruption ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN: It is not the 
business of the IOC to purchase shares? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The 
IOC is a subsidiary company. The IBP 
had some shares jointly with Duncan 
Brothers Ltd. and Alex Lawrie. They 
were pressurised to buy those shares 
at a much higher price. Mr. Chairman 
has understood it very well. I am very 
glad. 

Then, we had a previous reply given 
by the Deputy Minister in the Ministry 
of Industrial Development, Shri 
Siddheshwar Prasad to Unstarred Ques- 
tion No. 546. There, the reply given 
was that the/ CBI had completed investi- 
gation into the affairs of M/s. Asian 


the report to the concerned Ministry. 
We want to know what action has been 
taken on that. This is a very serious 
offence . . . ( Interruption ) 

SHRI K. P UNNIKRISHNAN 
(Badagara): How is relevant here? He 
is talking about the Asian Cables Cor- 
poration Ltd. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: This 
morning, Mr. Raghunatha Reddy said 
tha< there are five cases. I want to 
quote Mr. Unnikrishnan. Mr. R. P. 
Goenka and all this is interwoven like 
a cobweb. During that poster debate, 
Mr. Unnikrishnan said: 

“It will be explained that if other 
local references are available, this 
would not have been necessary ” 

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: He 
is misquoting what I said . . . ( Inter- 
ruptions ) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am 
not yielding. I quote: 

“We shall consider Mr. Jyotirmoy 
Bosu to be our guarantor for our 
poster next time. Shri Mishra: So, 
Mr. Goenka was your guarantor. 
Now it has been proved.” 

So, they have found a criminal to be 
their guarantor. 

From the photostat copy that I have 
laid on the Table of the House — it is 
available in the Library — you will see 
that a copy of the order was sent to 
Balmer Lawrie & Co. to one Mr. P. 
Brahma — it is C/o Duncan Brothers, 
Managing Director, Mr. R. P. Goenka. 

All I want to say is this. By this, we 
say that this Indira brand Samajbad 
can be always called murdabad. 

TTo HSJfrTITnm TTCT t) : 

fctr ipr Jr q? srffiin 
fo : 

“Accordingly, the Board of Directors 
of the I.O.C., a fully Government- 
owned undertaking, is nominated by 
the Government of India.” 

q-fif us qqfffc | eft 



27.1 Control by SRAVANA 27, 1 894 (&AKA ) /. O.C. over Indo - 274 

itorma Petroleum (. HAh ) 


f w 3 % fair wit 4*ff 

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afttffoT Jf riT tost tfl sr«rr ^ 
tCH ark sr«n | <ft toi *rg f#r«r*r- 
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fs^ft fa^i zz? tth f%rr jt? tth ft.*n, 
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gain tst -rmT TknrraaftsnT 

t I WHT $ it «fT ^ftr qkl31 

|3Tr 1 1 TO3 35 3 tTT if g^fft 3 >§ \ I : 

“The cost structure would be avail- 
able to the I.O.C. so as to ensure 
that the purchase prices are rea- 
sonable. . , w 

fi^rk^r | qr 3Hfi3rkr*T | q^ arrq 

% to Ptot ? stoi f\ inft 

ETTcff ir *f) *TTO5| t I 

“The I.O.C. has decided to obtain 
jts requirements of greases, speci- 
alities and barrels from Balmer 
and its subsidiaries.’’ 

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■o 

ft^r^Tifs TOI ft eft IT TTTOft 
to! sfi b shtoi ~T?r;r gftrosflsftTO 
! Tf I ? 3TO3 Tit TO ftr^l ? 

sft T.ra fttprn^r 3 >tot 3to?to: «rr 
tot toi gft fttrr tot ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai): Mr. Chairman, the ac- 
cusation is plain and precise. It is this : 
although the shares were ruling at 
Rs. 65 they were purchased at Rs. 95; 
that is, there was an excess payment to 
the extent of Rs. 30/- per share, and 
the total excess amount paid seems to 
be of the order of Rs. 67 lakhs as has 
been computed by my hon. friend, 
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. Some questions 
naturally arise in this connection. 

This was a declining concern, this 
was almost a dying concern. , . . 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please be brief 
and ask your question. 


SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
I would be very brief, Sir, precision is 
my special quality. 

This was a declining concern, a dying 
concern. Before Goenkas took over' 
it was distributing profit to the extent 
of Rs. 24 lakhs. After they took over, 
the management was so bad that it dis- 
tributed only a profit of the order of 
Rs. 8 lakhs. It was distributing 22.5 
per cent earlier but later it came down 
to 8 per cent or so. The main thing is 
that, although mismanagement was 
going on ... . 

MR. CHAIRMAN: What do you 
want to know from the Government? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
I am asking him: why did you purchase 
from such a declining, dying concern 
at such a high price? This was a 
thoroughly mismanaged concern. Why 
did not the Department of Company 
Affairs go into this and take it over 
because this was a mismanaged con- 
cern? 

I am coming to another point. The 
hon. Minister says that Goenkas want- 
ed to control the entire concern and 
they had offered to purchase the shares 
ol the Government at the rate of Rs. 
160. . . . ( Interruption ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN: In half-an-hour 
discussion, you have only to put a 
question. Without going into the de- 
tails, please ask your question. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 

I am really very unhappy about this. 
If you want to gag me completely, you 
can do it. It will go on record that 1 
have been gagged. 

This is my main question. The hon. 
Minister says that so much was paid 
because of the fact that Goenkas wanted 
to acquire -complete control over this and 
they had offered to purchase our shares 
at the rate of Rs. 160. Goenkas did have 
shares to the extent of 50.14 per cent. 
In order to acquire effective control, 
they required only 0.86 per cent to go 
up to 51 per cent. Even if they wanted 
to go uplo 70 per cent, they had the 
miscellaneous shares to draw upon to 
the extent of 19 per cent. My submission 
is this that this plea does not seem to 
hold water. Would not the Minister agree 
with me that this is a completely 
untenable plea? When they had the 
miscellaneous shares to the extent of 



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AUGUST 18, 1972 F.O.C. over Indd-Burma 276 
Petroleum (HAH) 


[Shri Shyamnandan Mishra] 

19 per cent on which they could draw 
at a much lower price, why should they 
have gone to the Government to pur- 
chase at that price? This is the real 
question, Sir. This argument does not 
appeal to us at all. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu- 
puzha) : On a point of order. The rule 
is very specific about asking questions 
in half-an-hour discussion. It says : 

“Any member who has previously 
intimated to the Speaker may be 
permitted to ask a question..” 

A question. 

“ . . for the purpose of further elu- 
cidating any matter of fact.” 

This means, he can ask only one ques- 
tion; he cannot ask many questions. He 
has already put three questions and he 
wants to put another question (Inter- 
ruption) I want your ruling. Sir, on 
my point of order. Is a member entit- 
led to ask as many questions as he 
chooses in a half-an-hour discussion ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : I requested Mi- 
shraji not to go into details. . 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
I did not go into details. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You went into 
details. You have only to put a ques- 
tion. Please finish it now. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : 
He can ask only one question. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
Thirdly, we have just now learnt. . , . 
(Interruptions) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : There can- 
not be even a ‘secondly’. He is going 
‘Thirdly’. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
The third question is .... 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I am ob- 
jecting to it. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
The third part of the same question is 
that we have just now learnt that two 
kind$ of prices were offered for the 
shares — one at Rs. 85 and another at 
Rs. 95 per share. Why was this distinc- 
tion made between the two and why not 
at the lower price, that is Rs. 85?.... 
i Interruptions ). 


SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Are there 
no rules here ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
I know they feel concerned because 
this man has been going about saying 
that he is the Deputy Treasurer of the 
ruling Party. 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : On a 
point of order. I only want to say*., 
(i Interruptions) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : You know 
all the inner details. The agency will 
be handed over to you. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : This will not 
form part of the record. It is not nice 
to pass remarks. Suppose you say 
something in favour of Russia or China 
or anybody else, then are you supposed 
to be an agent of those people ? You 
are not. The remarks made by him will 
not go on record. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Rule 
376 

MR. CHAIRMAN : To cast aspei- 
sions against another member is not 
proper. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On a 
point of order. The House has Rules 
as well as practice. Which one are you 
choosing to-day, Sir ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : I have been 
here for so many years. I know this 
was not the practice that any member 
should cast any aspersion against ano- 
ther member. That has not been the 
practice. Recently, this has developed, 
of course. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : 
Who is going to* .... 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You cannot ask 
any question. That will not go oji re- 
cord. 

Shri Lalji Bhai — he is absent. 

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I 
want to know whether the Ministry of 
Petroleum and Chemicals earlier this 
year did issue a directive to the Indian 
Oil Corporation to surrender or trans- 
fer its IBP share holding to the Govern- 
ment against an earlier agreed decision 
to the contrary arrived at between the 


*Not recorded. 



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Burma Petroleum (HAH) 


Secretary, Ministry of Petroleum and 
Chemicals and the Chairman of IOC? 
If so, I want to know the rate, the rea- 
sons and die details thereof. 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GO- 
KHALE) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I had 
occasion to deal with this qu- 
estion on an earlier occasion 
although very briefly because it 
arose indirectly with respect to ano- 
ther question and broadly the position 
of the Government was explained by 
me to this House. When some hon. 
Members asked some particulars I 
said that when I get the next opportu- 
nity I will give to the honourable Ho- 
use whatever information I could get. 
I am glad I am now in a position to 
put the entire figures before the House. 
I am convinced that apart from the fact 
that the deal is a completely clean deal 


SHRI PILOO MODY : No, never. 

(Interruptions) 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The only 
difficulty is this. ( Interruptions ) I can 
only hope to convince minds which are 
not shut. I can only hope to convince 
minds which are open. If people have 
prc-judgcd the issue, any amount of ar- 
gument on my part, any amount ol facts 
given, are not going to convince them. 
I know that. But, 1 must bring all the 
facts before the House for public con- 
sumption whether hon. Members relish 
them or not and if they have the courage 
to listen to truth, they must listen 

SHRI PILOO MODY : But you 
have given expression to your opinion 
first.. You said, it is a clean deal. . . . 
( Interruptions ) 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : It is im- 
possible to deal with this issue if there 
are going to be constant interruptions. 
At least they must give the opportunity 
to the Government to put forth its 
views. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Speeches were 
made. Question were put. For your 
benefit and for the benefit of the nation 
at large, it is better that hon. Members 
must hear the Minister. . . . 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Provided he 
does not make propaganda. 


SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : That is 
your privilege alone. What else is there 
except propaganda in what they have 
said ? I am going to mention later on 
how there is a common ground in some 
respects in what my hon. friend, Mr. 
Jyotirmoy Bosu said and what I am 
going to say and that is the basis on 
which 1 am going to justify that this 
was a particular case where me Govern- 
ment’s intervention was necessary, and 
it was necessary to remove the manage- 
ment of Duncan Bros, and to take over 
this vital concern, Balmer, Lawrie and 
Company. Now, Sir, I entirely agree 
that there were so many instances of 
mismanagement, liquidating the assets 
of the company and so ohj There 
were so many instances of violation of 
law. It is not right for them to say 
that the Government had not taken 
steps to investigate the matters under 
the Company Law. These steps were 
taken . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After 
8 years. 

SHRI H, R. GOKHALE : Govern- 
ment did take steps when they noticed 
the various acts of omission and the 
various acts of commission, as a result 
of which Government ultimately had 
to come to the conclusion that the only 
way in which these people can be pre- 
vented from misusing the funds of this 
vital industry, is to take over the con- 
trol of this company . . . 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
Without any payment, without any com- 
pensation. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I thought 
that Sham Babu at least will give me 
an opportunity to explain everything. 
I am aware of the questions which were 
asked and T am going to deal with them. 
I, at least, don’t have the capacity to 
deal with all the questions in one sen- 
tence. I must be allowed to proceed 
in my own way and place all the facts 
before the House . . . 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Srinagar) :* 

MR. CHAIRMAN : This remark is 
not fair; it will not be recorded 

18.00 hrs. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The back- 
ground is this. In Balmer Lawrie, the 


#Not recorded. 



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[Shri H. R. Gokhale.] 

IBP had acquired an interest to the ex- 
tent of 30 odd per cent, of shares. 
Duncan Biros, had about 22 and odd 
per cent shares. Alex Lawrie which 
was a British company had 27 odd per 
cent shares. The other miscellaneous 
shareholders had 19 odd per cent shares. 
On a mere arithmetical calculation, 
this would show that if Duncan Bros, 
and Alex Lawrie combined together, as 
I shall presently point out they did, 
they together had a control of over 
50.14 per cent shares, while asi an indi- 
vidual shareholder, the IBP which was 
a subsidiary of IOC was the strongest 
and largest single shareholder and it 
was not in a position to exercise ade- 
quate control on the management and 
functioning of the compay. 

In view of the fact that Duncan Bros, 
and Alex Lawrie together have com- 
bined and have mismanaged the affairs 
of the company — I have got a long list 
of these attempts at mismanagement. . . 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : What 
about LIC shares ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The ques- 
tion is this. Some time in 1970, the 
IOC acquired this interest in the IBP, 
and the IOC itself had 60 per cent in- 
terest in the IBP and, therefore, the 
IBP was a subsidiary of the IOC. The 
IBP in turn had 30 per cent holding in 
Balmer Lawrie, as I have already men- 
tioned. 

Now, there were two alternatives, 
either allow Alex Lawrie or for that 
matter in particular Duncan Bros, to 
continue their acts of omission or com- 
mission or to take adequate steps to 
see that this vital sector of an industry 
was brought under public control. I 
say vital sector for various reasons. 
Balmer Lawrie is not alone, because 
Balmer Lawrie has four subsidiaries ; 
one subsidiary is Bridge and Roof Com- 
pany (India) Limited, Calcutta, pro- 
ducing wagons ; they do wagon-budd- 
ing ; in addition to that, they have pro- 
duced petroleum tanks, refinery equip- 
ment etc. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Engi- 
neering fabricators. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Then, we 
have BIBCCO Lawrie Ltd., which ma- 
nufactures transformers and switch- 


gears, and then Steel Containers Limit- 
ed which manufactures barrels and In- 
dustrial Containers, Calcutta which 
manufactures barrels. I am mention- 
ing all this because at least three of 
these four subsidiaries were producing 
material which was vital tp the activi- 
ties of the IOC, such as barrels, petro- 
leum products, refinery equipment etc. 
This was all under the control of Dun- 
can Bros, along with Alex Lawrie who 
had been diverting the funds of the 
company when they were controlling 
this company, for other purposes. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : For posters. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : My hon. 
friend is so much obsessed with the pos- 
ter idea that perhaps he dreams of 
poster even in his sleep, and, therefore, 
when a rational answer is given, it be- 
comes difficult for him to hold on be- 
cause he cannot hear ; that is the whole 
trouble. 

When the 30 per cent shareholding 
was there, and although the largest sin- 
gle shreholder in Balmer Lawrie, they 
wanted to exercise adequate control 
Legal steps were taken in the first 
instance 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : LIC 
shares. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I really can 
not go on with this, because I am tal- 
king of chalk and he is talking of che- 
ese. 

Now, let me come to the main point 
Why was it necessary to take it over? 
The position was this that when they 
saw that as the largest single sharehol- 
der they were trying to exercise con- 
trol through legal means or appropriate 
actions under the company law, in the 
original stage, they were not even al- 
lowing us to have our directors on the 
board of the company, in spite of the 
fact that the IBP had 30 per cent share- 
holding. Ultimately, recourse had to 
be taken to section 408 of the Com- 
panies Act, which alone compelled 
them to have our directors on the 
board. The directors detected the mis- 
management, the liquidation of assets, 
the various advancement of loans with- 
out security etc. etc. They made it so 
difficult for the management, in spite of 
the fact that they were only 30 per cent 
that they realised that they could not 
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shareholder but as a substantial share- 
holder in the total holding of the com- 
pany. 

At one stage in order to see that we 
were in an absolute minority and were 
not in a position to influence the mana- 
gement of the company — that was 
where the question of legal action came — 
they tried to negotiate directly with 
Alex Lawrie and Duncan Bros, and 
acquire the assets so that Duncan 
Bros, and they in their own right had 
50 per cent of the shareholding in Bal- 
mcr Lawrie. Now it is clear that if 
they had been allowed to go through 
this transaction and they had 50 per 
cent of shares as against 30 per cent 
of ours and 19 per cent miscellaneous, 
they in their own right would have had 
a shareholding which would have en- 
titled them to continue the manage- 
ment, or rather the mismanagement of 
which we were accusing them. 

Now, we prevented this share tran- 
saction between Alex Lawrie and Dun- 
can Bros, by filing a suit in the Calcutta 
High Court and obtaining an injunction, 
with the result that the transaction did 
not go through. Now, when they reali- 
sed lhat they were not able to obtain 
this control by buying over the shares 
of Alex Lawrie, they also realised that 
there were only two alternatives open. 
One was by various means, which are 
known to hon. members, to bring down 
about a situation where Government 
would be compelled to sell their shares 
to them at a very unfavourable price. 
The other was to create a situation 
where Government would be compelled 
to take over all those shares because 
Goenka, like any other industrialist of 
his type, is not interested in his Rs. 
160 price per share or in his dividend; 
he is interested in retaining sole and 
unadulterated management of the com- 
pany so that he could divert the funds 
ol the company for his other purposes. 


vSHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU s Not 
right at all. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE which 
he could do only if he had absolute and 
adequate control of the management of 
the company — which was prevented 
by Government by going to the 
Court and obtaining an injunction. I 
may tell the House that this injunction 
was operative only till now until Gov- 
ernment took over full control, above 
80 per cent, of the management of 
Balmer Lawrie. 


When an attempt was to make us 
sell our shares to them, we stoutly resis- 
ted it, for two or three reasons. One 
was that Government were not holding 
the shares as ordinary investors so that 
we deal with them and sell them to a 
large, house like Goenkas or Duncan 
Bros. We were interested in seeing 
that vital sectors of the economy are 
gradually and as early as possible, bro- 
ught under public control. If that was 
an appropriate policy — the attitude 
which my Ministry took was later con- 
firmed by various other branches of 
Government — that we would not sur- 
render to this attempt at depressing 
the share market on the part of Goen- 
ka and Duncan Bros to see that we sold 
our shares to them at a very unfavoura- 
ble price, we defeated them in that 
move. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Untrue. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : When his 
bubble is being pricked, he is interrup- 
ting ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Then the 
queston arises : If Government wanted 
to take over the shares — a relevant poi- 
nt was raised by Shri Shyamnandan 
Mishra and I will deal with it — why 
did not Government buy shares in the 
market ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Yes, not only that; you could have 
taken it over outright and paid them 
compensation later. Because ot mis- 
management, you could have nationa- 
lised it. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : One point 
was also this that we could have gone 
to the miscellaneous shareholders and 
bought the shares. Why go and buy 
from Duncan Bros ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
No, he has not understood my point. 
The point I *was making was that it is 
not convincing to say that these people, 
Goenka^. wanted to purchase Govern- 
ment’s shares at Rs. 160. They could, 
instead, have gone to the miscellaneous 
shareholders who accounted for about 
19 per cent. That was another point I 
was making. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Let us look 
at that also. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; Go- 
vernment took over IISCO by Ordi- 
nance. 



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[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] 

Why did they not take over Balmer 
Lawrie in the same fashion because 
there was the same mismanagement 
there ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : There is 
no comparison between IISCO and this 
group. It must be remembered that here 
we are dealing with an interconnection 
between companies in which as 1 told 
you, IOC had in IBP 60 per cent hol- 
ding and IBP had 30 per cent hol- 
ding. Nationalisation was really taking 
over the interest, which was in the inte- 
rest of the public sector. There is no 
►comparison between IISCO nationalisa- 
tion and this. 

SHRJ SHYAMNANDAN MISHKA: 
It was much simpler here; you had only 
a few shares to nationlise. 

The question i,$ this. ( Interruption ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Order, order. 
He will not be in a position to comp- 
lete his reply at this rate. Why not you 
hear him ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I want t 0 
be brief. Had it not been for these in- 
terruptions, I would have finished my 
reply long ago. I want to be brief 
and deal with the broad facts because 
the time is very short. 

The question arose that if we have 
to take control, if we were to take over 
Duncan Brothers or Alex Lawrie’s 
shares, it could also be asked legitima- 
tely, “Why Duncan Brokers and why 
not Alex Lawries ?” If we have taken 
Alex Lawries, then also it could have 
given more than 50. The correct po- 
sition is this. Alex Lawrie and Duncan 
Brothers both made it a condition that 
the shares of neither will be available 
until the shares of the other also are 
taken. Alex Lawrie insisted that if you 
take Duncan Brothers, then we will sell 
you. Duncan Brothers said, “If you 
take Alex Lawrie we will sell you.” 
Therefore, the compelling necessity was 
that if we had to take over the con- 
ti oiling interest in this, we had to take 
over both Alex Lawrie and Duncan 
Brothers. 

Then the question arose, what is the 
transaction and why the transaction 
was reached at a paiticular price. First 
of all, I must say, with all humility, 
that hon. Members are misinformed; 
the steady and controlling price of a 
share was 68. 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have 
quoted from the Financial Express , 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Let me 
deal with it. I have got something 
more. I have taken your question last 
time very seriously and I have collected 
the material, and I am saying it with a 
sense of responsibility. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What about nationalisation ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I do not 
know whether I can satisfy you or the 
other hon. Member. ( Interruption ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : This is half-an- 
hour discussion. We have already taken 
much more than half an hour. If you 
go on interrupting him like that, there 
will be no end to it. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The figures 
will show. Normally, the share market 
price is one ot the indications, but not 
always a conclusive indication of the 
intrinsic worth of a share. That is an 
accepted tact. Then the question is 
this. Even in the case of Balmer 
Lawries— I would have given the figures 
but the time is short — in the course of 
years, if you look at the variations, from 
the minimum t 0 the maximum, the 
variation is so large that it would show 
that the share market has been influen- 
ced by interested parties particularly 
Duncan Brothers, in the course of years, 
to retain their management. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Did you 
put any valuation ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Of course, 
I did the calculations ( Interruption ) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will 
you lay it on the Table of the House ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I will tell 
you now, here. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What was the range ? ( Interruption ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : No, no. Please 
do not interrupt. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The valua- 
tion of the shares is normally done on 
the basis of working out the average on 
three factois. The first factor, as I 
said, although not conclusive, is relevant 
and has to be taken into consideration ; 
that is, the market value. The second 
is the asset value per share as per the 



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books of the company. The third is 
the earning capacity per share for the 
previous three years. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Inflated. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : In fact, it 
was taken at the minimum level to see 
that it was deflated and not inflated. 
To say that it was inflated is quite 
wrong. 

So far as the share value is concerned, 
although the share value at the appro- 
priate time when the averaging was 
done had gone up to as high as 94, 
we took the minimum quotation at the 
relevant time, 68, and assumed that as 
the market value, so that the average 
did not work to a higher figure. Also, 
with regard to the asset value — 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
You yourself said the other day that 
the ruling price was higher — (Interrup- 
tion) . 

MR. CHAIRMAN ; If this side is 
not prepared to hear him, I will ad- 
journ the House. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no. 

( Interruption ) 

SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD 
(Bhagalpur) : We want to listen to him. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : When the 
truth is coming, they must have the 
courage to hear the whole thing. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The diffi- 
culty is, if the explanation is incon- 
venient, they do not want to listen. 
That is the whole trouble (Interruption) 
The question is this. The market value 
and the minimum quotation were taken. 
Even for the purpose of finding out 
the asset value of the share, the book 
value as in the original investment was 
taken because the actual value was far 
more than the assets of the building of 
Duncan Brothers and others. That was 
not taken in order to see that the average 
did not work out to a higher figure. 

The same policy was adopted in res- 
pect of the third factor. This number 
worked out to an average value of 
about 95 and odd. This was 
done; not by the Petroleum Mini- 
stry alone; obviously not, because 
this was a matter on which the Govem- 
. ment was taking a vital decision. This 
was done in consultation with the 


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Department of Economic Affairs; it 
was worked out there. This was done 
in consultation with the Unit Trust of 
India which is one of the largest inves- 
tors in the countty today. It was 
checked and cross-checked at various 
levels. Averages were worked and the 
average worked out to about Rs. 95 
and odd. Therefore it is wrong to say 
that at ail stages the price was Rs. 68 . . . 

( Interruptions .) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Sir, on a 
point of order under rule 349. This 
House is entitled to a certain protec- 
tion, namely, to hear the speech in a 
calm atmosphere. Rule 39 prohibits 
interruptions and running commentaries. 
Hissing and other things arc prohibited 
specifically. My point ot order is that 
that rule should be enforced. You will 
have to give a direction that any inter- 
ruption that is being made must be off 
the record and the Minister must be 
directed to ignore them and proceed 
and we must be allowed to hear the 
speech in a calm atmosphere. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The whole pur- 
pose of the half-an-hour debate is this. 
When you raise an important question, 
you expect a reply from the Minister. 
We have already exceeded the time by 
15 minutes and you should not blame 
me if I adjourn the House because you 
are behaving like this. Running com- 
mentary is going on. I shall request 
the hon. Minister to take as little more 
time as possible and conclude and not 
to pay any heed to the interruptions. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE: Now 
price had to be determined with refe- 
rence to the relevant period during 
which negotiations for taking over the 
shares were going on. That; was the 
period 20th May to 2nd June, 1972. 
The market quotation at that time was 
Rs. 94. i am talking of the average ; 
it is absolutely wrong that the market 
quotation was Rs. 68 or anything less 
than 94 at that time. 

Secondly, on account of the fact that 
the share which we have taken from 
Alex Lawries are also Balmer Lawncs 
shares the average of the two prices, 
price paid to Alex Lawrie and the price 
paid to Duncan Brothers works out 
Rs. 89.50. What isi the use of saying 
that a lower price was ruling and so on ? 
On economic and legitimate commer- 
cial considerations which are relevant to 
the determination of the price of shgr<* 


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[Shri H. R. GokhaleJ 

the price was worked out. You cannot 
refer to one particular day when it 
might have been depressed for one 
reason or the other, or inflated for 
another reason. 

The next principles is the asset value. 
The assets value of these shares un- 
doubtedly came to Rs. 174 and odd. 
It is important to remember that the 
asset value came to Rs. 174 and odd. 
Taking into consideration the fact that 
the intrinsic worth of the share was 
much more than even the quoted share 
which was 94 in the relevant period, the 
price agreed was Rs. 95 in one cases 
and Rs. 85 in the other. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On a 
point of order under rule 376. We have 
been repeatedly asking the hon. Minister 
to say why one was given Rs. 85 and 
another was given Rs. 95. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : There is no point 
of order. He is replying now and if 
you are not satisfied it can be seen in 
the end. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I was 
saying that the relevant principles which 
were applicable in the determination of 
the intrinsic worth of a share were all 
taken into consideration and examined 
at various levels (An Hon. Mem- 

ber : What about L.I.C. ?) That tran- 
saction has nothing to do with this; the 
LIC transaction was at a time when 
Indo-Burma was a British company and 
we were nowhere in the picture. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why 
did you sell it ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : The ques- 
tions is: are we confining ourselves to 
one point or are we going all over the 
world dealing with all the issues ? 

The other argument was that 
this was a broken company and it 
was in shambles and it had no worth 
and so on. That is also not correct. 
First of all it is indicated by the fact 
that the asset value of the share was 
Rs. 174. I am not depending upon that. 
Let us go further. We have to look at 
the profits made by the company in the 
past few years. You have to take the 
overall picture about the profit and loss 
position. I have the position for three 
years. In one year, a toss was incurred 


but I will satisfy all those who have an 
open mind... 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Why 
do you repeat that so often ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE: Because 
you repeat it. 

SHRI P1LOO MODY : Is your 
brief open ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : My brief 
is open. If you do not agree, I cannot 
help. I have to tell it for the country, 
because the House belongs to the 
country. 

In 1969, the profit was 
Rs. 22.28 lakhs. In 1970 the profit was 
Rs. 23.64 lakhs. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Was it before tax ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : It you go on 
interrupting, there will be no end. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
What does profit mean ? You would 
not help us in understanding things? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE: It was 
betore tax. Coming to 1971, Balmer 
Lawrie had a variety of business acti- 
vities, apart from four subsidiaries, in 
matters like travel agency, tea ware- 
house, two grease plants which are very 
important 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Poster 
business also. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : In respect 
of one of these activities, i\e. t the tea 
warehouse, there was tremendous loss 
and it had to be closed down much 
before we came into the picture. Only 
because of that particular undertaking, 
merely on account of the requirement 
of payment of retrenchment compen- 
sation, in one year Rs. 37 lakhs had 
to be paid. The result was a loss of 
Rs. 20.61 lakhs. If this had not occur- 
red, the profit would have been 
Rs. 17 lakhs. When we look at the 
strength of the company, we look at the 
substratum, the productive capacity, the 
asset*, the profit-worthiness, what is its 
utility to you in a public undertaking 
like IOC, etc. Taking into con- 
sideration all the factors, I can 
confidently say that if it is put to 



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examination by any independent, impar- 
tial economist, he will justify the price 
we have paid. Sir, all I can say is, in 
conclusion, that the price paid was 
absolutely commercial and reasonable, 
and there was no ulterior motive. 
Ulterior motives have been attributed, I 
must say, for ulterior purposes; it has 
nothing to do with a commercial exami- 
nation of the problem. ( Interruptions ) 


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MR. CHAIRMAN: The House 
stands adjourned to meet at 11 AM on 
Monday. 


18.25 hrs. 

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till 
Eleven of the Clock on Monday , August 
21, 1972 /Sravana 30, 1894 {Saka), 


SRAVANA 27, 1894 {SAKA) 


GIPN— S7— 10 LSS (NDJ/72— 24-10-72— 1,010. 




CONTENTS 


No. h -Monday, August 21, 1972/Sravana 30, 1894 (Said) 



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Obituary Reference — 

Death of Dr. A. G. Sonar 

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Shrimati Indira Gandhi 


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Shri Indrajit Gupta 

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Shri Jagannathrao Joshi 

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Shri Mohanraj Kalingarayar 

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Shri K. S. Chavda 

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Shri H. M. Patel 

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Shri Samar Guha 

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Oral Answers to Questions : 

•Starred Questions Nos. 281 to 282, 284 to 287, 289, 290, 


292 and 293 ••• ••• ... 

Witten Answers to Questions : 

Starred Questions Nos. 283, 288, 291 and 

294 to 300 ... ... ... 28—37 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2780 to 2979 ... ... ... 37 — 202 

Re. Motion for Adjournment ... 202 


Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importaace— 

Reported demand of cement workers for interim relief ... ... 202 — 12 

Motion for Adjournment— 

Shahdra incidents and alleged Police atrocities ... ... 21 3 — 14 

Papers laid on the Table • •• Ml ... 214 — 15 

Conviction of Member — * 

(Shrimati Shakuntala Nayar) ... ... ••• 213 

General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Bill — 

(i) Report of Joint Committee ••1 ••• ••• 213—16 

(ii) Evidence ■ ••• 216 

* The sign 4- marked above the name of a Member indicates that the Question 
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Columns 


Statement Re : Interim Reports of National Commssion on Agriculture 
Shri F. A. Ahmed 

<>I .i»; 

Business Advisory Committee — 

Fifteenth Report 

BHls introduced — 

(i) Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill 

(ii) Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of Privileges) Bill 


(iii) Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) — 
Amendment Bill 

Dentists (Amendment) Bill — 

Motion to consider, as passed by R^jya Sabha 

Dr. Laxminardin Pandeya 
Shri-S. M. Banerjee 
Prof, D. P. Chattopadhyaya 
Clauses 2 to 28 and 1 
Motion to pass 


Wild Life (Protection) Bill — 
Motion to consider 
Prof. Sher Singh 
Shri Dasaratha Deb 
Shri Shivnath Singh 
Shri H. N. Mukerjer 
Dr. Karan Singh 
Shri Mohanraj Kalingarayar 
Shri Nimbalkar 
Shri Birendor Singh Rao 
Shri D. P. Jadeja 
Shri R. V. Bade 
Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha 
Shri J. B. Patnaik 
Shri Yamuna Prasad Mandal 
Shrimati Sahodrabai Rai 




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... 

287—88 

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh 

• H 

• •• 


288—90 

Shri M. G. Uikey 

• •• 

• •• 

... 

290 

Clauses 2 to 66 and 1 

Motion to pass, as amended 

... 

• •• 

... 

312 

Victoria Memorial (Amendment) Bill — 

Motion to consider, as passed by Rajya Sabha 

IM 

IM 

312—26 

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan 


• •• 

321— 

-14, 323 — 25 

Shri Madhuryya Haidar 

... 

... 


314—16 

Shri S. M. Banerjee 

... 

... 

... 

316—19 

Shri C. T. Dhandapani 

... 

• •• 

... 

319—21 

Shri Maha Deepak Singh Shakya 

... 

• •• 

... 

321—23 


Clauses 2 and 1 
Motion to pass 

Statutory Resolution re . Disapproval of Indian Iron and Steel Company 
(Taking Over of Management) Ordinance and Indian Iron and 
Steel Company (Taking Over of Management) Bill 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya 

Shn S. Mohan Kumarmangalam 

Shn Robin Sen ... ••• 

Shn Swaran Singh Sokhi 


326 


326—47 

326—33 

333—43 

354—46 

346 


Half an-Hour Discussion — 

Decentralisation of Geological Survey of India 

Shri Samar Guha 

Shri S. Mohan Kumarmangalam 


347—62 

347—52 

355—62 




LOK SABHA BERATES 


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LOK SABHA 


Monday August 21 , 1972/ 
Sravana JO, 1194 (Sckn) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock 
[Mr. Speaker in the chair) 
Obituary Reference 

MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, I 
have to inform the House of the sad demise 
of Dr A. G. Sonar, who suddenly passed 
away at Phalton near Poona on the 1 9th 
August. 1972 at the age of 56. 

Dr. Sonar was a sitting Member of this 
House from Ramtek constituency of Maha- 
rashtra. He had also been a Member of 
the Fourth Lok Sabha during the years 
1967—70. Earlier, he was a Member of 
Madhya Pradesh and Bombay State Legisla- 
tive Assemblies during the years 1946 — 57 
Though an agriculturist and medical practi- 
tioner, he devoted a good deal of his time 
to the educational activities, particularly in 
the rural areas During the freedom 
movement he had suffered imprisonment 
while he was a student. A very quiet and 
amiable person, he used to take active inte- 
rest in the welfare of hanjans, uplift of 
rural areas, maintenance of communal 
harmony and co-operative work. He was 
present in the House on Friday last and 
nobody knew that he would be snatched 
away from us so soon. 

We deeply mourn the Joss of this friend 
and I am sure the House will join me in 
eonveying our condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
minister of space (SHRimati 
INDIRA GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 
the inevitable hand of death has struck 


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. 2 

once more. Just a few days ago, we 
mourned the loss of a valuable Colleague, 
who died in tragic circumstances, and today 
again we have the sorrowful duty to mourn 
the sad and sudden demise of another 
colleague. I associate myself and this 
House with the sentiments you have ex- 
pressed on the v untimely passing away of 
Dr. A. G. Sonar. 

Sir, as you have yourself told the House, 
Dr. Sonar was active in the freedom stru- 
ggle. In fact, he joined it . as a medical 
student m Nagpur in 1942. Later he con- 
tinued to be active m public life in many 
fields. He was a member of the Madhya 
Pradesh and Maharashtra State Assemblies. 
He served as Parliamentary Secretary in 
the old Madhya Pradesh. He was greatly 
interested in educational activities. Apart 
from being member of the educational 
boards in va ious States, he also ran six 
high schools in the rural areas He was 
also very much concerned with work relat- 
ing to the welfare of harijan and backward 
classes. 1 request you to convey our 
sympathies and deep condolences to the 
bereaved family. 

SHRl SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah): 
Sir, on behalf of my party, I associate my- 
self with the sentiments expressed by you 
on the sudden death of Dr. A. G. Sonar. 
During this session we have already lost 
some other colleagues and now comes the 
sad news of the sudden death of Dr. Sonar. 
He was a soctol worker interested in edu- 
cation and the upleftment of the backward 
communities, particularly hanjans. His 
loss will be felt by all, particularly by those 
wnh whom he was closely associated. I 
request you, Sir, to convey our condolences 
to the bereaved family. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
Sir, l would like to associate myself and 
my group with the sentiments expressed by 
the Prime Minister at the sad and sudden 
demise of Dr. A. G. Sonar. We have not 
got to know him personally very well in 
the short time that he had been (here. But 
we know that he was an old freedom fighter 
who had suffered imprisonment in 1942 
movement and on other occasions aljo. He 


3 Obituary Reference AUGUST 

1 4 

was an educationist of wide repute. I am 
told that when he was still aittudent, he had 
on one occasion done a memorable work 
during Hindu-Muslim riotl in order to 
establish peace. 

His loss is a real calamity not only for 
the nation but for all those common peo- 
ple both in Maharashtra and in Madhya 
Pradesh, where he had also worked, for 
whom he had toiled so hard all his life. On 
tiehalf of my group, I would request you to 
convey our sincere condolences to the 
bereaved family. 

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I would like to express our deepest sympa- 
thy for the sad and sudden demise of 
Dr. A. G. Sonar I join in conveying our 
deep-felt condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patau) : On 
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21. 1972 Oral Atawtn 4 

to convey our condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhandhuka) : 
May I on behalf of my party request you 
to convey our sympathies to the bereaved 
family 7 On behalf of my party, I fully 
associate myself with the sentiments ex- 
pressed by the Prime Minister and others. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Sir. 
it is a tragedy enacted by destiny that ona 
of the freedom fighter and a very active 
patriot'c worker who had yet many years 
to complete the service to the cause of the 
nation has been suddenly taken away from 
our midst. 

I fully associate myself with the senti- 
ments expressed by yourself, the Prime 
Minister and other friends in the House. 
On behalf of my party, I would request you 
to convey our condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

MR. SPEAKER : The House may 
stand in silence for a short while to express 
its sorrow. 

Members then stood in silence for 
a short nhile. 

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

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Oral Anfwerr 6 


5 t Oral Aiuwtrs 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) 
we have no statistical data showing the 
number of unemployed Doctors in the 
country. However, there is overall shortage 
of doctors in the country particularly in 
rural area s, 

(b) About 5400 Primary Health Centres 
are required to cover the entire population 
of the country. About 10,800 doctors are 
required to man these Health Centres. 

(c) The policy is to ensure that there 
is at least one Primary Heal th Centre in 
each Community Development Block by 
the end of the Fourth Five Year Plan and 
that each Health Centre has two doctors. 

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SHRI A K. KISKU : In the year l<J71 
we had collected some information on this 
particular point from all the States. Almost 
all the States had reported that there was 
shortage of doctors except Rajasthan and 
Orissa. In Rajasthan there was a surplus 
of about 400 doctors and in Orissa about 
650. But apart from these two States, we 
do not have details that other States have 
surplus doctors, we have also consulted 
the Central Bureau of Health Intelligence 
and the Directorate General of Employment 
and Training, and from the live registers 
they are maintaining from 1963 to 1971 we 
find that there have been some placements 
for example, in 1963 there were 1005 in the 
live register of which 392 got placement ; 
in 1969 there were 1597 of which 392 got 
placement ; in 1970 there were 2497 of 
which 384 got placement. For 1971 we 
do not have any information yet, How- 


ever, since registration is voluntary for the 
unemployed doctors, it is not possible to 
get the exact figure as to how many doctors 
are unemployed. « 

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SHRI A. K. KISKU : About Mysore 
and West Bengal, I do not have any specific 
information right now. 

About the second point that the bon. 
Member has raised, we find that the 
doctors prefer to remain in the urban areas. 
There are difficulties for them to go into 
the rural areas. However, Government is 
trying lo give incentives in various forms 
like accommodation, electrical facilities, 
water supply and so on plus some rural 
service allowance so % that they may be 
encoursfged to go into the rural areas and 
we find that this incentive that is being 
given is creating encouragement for them 
and we find that from the data available to 
us there are more and more doctors going 
to the rural areas, we hope that as soon 
as we are able to create the infra-structure 
for the doctors to go there, this problem of 
doctors in rural areas will be solved. 

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Oral Answers t 


i AUGUST 21. 1972 


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MR. SPEAKER : Sbri R R. Sharma — 
absent. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I would like to 
know from the hon. Minister whether the 
category of those doctors in the urban areas 
who do not have clients, that is, who do 
not have adequate practice, as we call them, 
is classified as unemployed or employed. 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : we do not have any such 
record about the number of patients the 
individual doctors get or the number of 
doctors who have no practice. 1 have got 
one figure — I do not know whether he 
wanted it. on the live register, upto the 
end of 1971, there were 3953 medical 
graduates entered as unemployed. But 
there are others who might not have entered 
their names or those who might have been 
subsequently employed. Therefore, it is not 
a very accurate figufe. 

SHRI S M BANERJEE : Now that 
the Central Government Health Service 
Scheme is going to be extended to other 
cities like Kanpur, Jabalpur, etc, I would 
like to know in this particular scheme, 
when it is extended, how many doctors are 
likely to be recruited. 

SHRI A. K. KISKU : ' This question 
does not really come out of the question 
that we have. But, if the member wants 
the information, we will be very glad to 
give. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJFE : It is not 
irrelevant, Sir, Health Centres are under 
this Scheme. 

DR. MAlfipATRAY MEHTA : Js it a 
fact that due to there being more medical 
graduates in Rajasthan and on account of 
that the Rajasthan Government is thinking 
of reducing the number of seats in medical 


colleges? If so, would the Central Govern- 
ment ask the Rajasthan Government to 
take students to their medical colleges from 
the neighbouring States where there is 
shortage of medical seats ? 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : 
They have this time admitted 400 students. 
Earlier also this was the number that used 
to be admitted in their colleges. In the 
last two years they admitted 600 students 
but they find that the doctors who have 
already come out and passed these exami- 
nations are not given employment and most 
of these doctors do not want to go out of 
Rajasthan also. During a recent visit to 
Rajasthan when I had been there for a 
function, some doctors demonstrated and 
then 1 asked the Director-General of 
Health to go there. Within a week he went 
there. He invited all doctors who were 
ready to accept employment in any part of 
the country. I believe 500 candidates 
applied and 52 — 1 don’t remember the 
exact figure — about 50, were given letters of 
appointment on the spot but only about 
half a dozen joined duty. The problem is 
that they want to remain in their own State. 
So, one of ihe ways we are now trying is 
to give incentives m the present phase. The 
State Governments are also giving their 
own incentives. 

We have also decided that in respect of 
400 backward stations, the doctors posted 
for work in the^e stations, will get Rs. 150 
each as special allowance. Wc are ais ) 
giving other types of incentives Still theie 
is the question of availability of schools, 
availability of approach roads and other 
requirements which they want. I would 
like to say that unless the doctors are willing 
to go to rural areas and serve as a matter 
of public service, this type of situation, I 
am afraid, may not be corrected for quite 
some time to come. 

DR. MAHIPATRAY MEHTA : My 
question has not been answered. 

MR. SPEAKER : We have already 
spent twenty minutes there are other 
questions. 

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Oral Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 10 


National Library Calcutta 

•282. SHRI SAMAR OUHA ; Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to 
answer to the Starred Qjestion No. 833 
regarding the conversion of National Library 
Calcutta into an autonomous body and 
Unstarred Question No. 6081 regarding the 
post of Librarian, National Library, Calcutta 
answered on the 15th May, 1972 and state : 

(a) whether the interim arrangement for 
administration of National Library ia 
Calcutta is still continuing ; if so, the nature 
of the present interim arcangem;nt ; and 

(b) the basic points of Jha Commission 
accepted by the Government ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir* The Deputy Librarian of the National 
Library, Calcutta is looking after the current 
duties of the Librarian in addition to his 
own duties since 26th October 1971. 

fd) A statement is laid on the Table of 
the Sabha. [Placed in Library , S*e No. 
LT— 3451/72]. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Is it a fact 
that Jha Committee made a report and 
made some 20 principal recommendations ? 
As per the reply of the hon. Minister, most 
of the 20 principal recommendations have 
in principle been accepted by the Govern- 
ment. Now. I would like to know whether 
only in the case of the appointment of the 
Khosla Commission they have been imple- 
mented or whether they have been imple- 
mented in 19 other cases also. Secondly I 
would like to know whether the Jha 
Committee made a recommendation which 
the Government has accepted that a 
Director will be appointed in the National 
Laboratory and that a Government Council 
should be appointed there. Is it a fact 
that Government is not implementing that 
particular recommandation ? If so, why are 
they not implementing it, because of which 
the administration of the library, the 
purchasing of books for the national library 
and other matters are being seriously 
jeopardised T 


PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As has 
been pointed out by the Hon. Member, 
Government have accepted most of (he 
recommendations in principle. Some 
recommendations to be fully and adequately 
implemented would require financial sanc- 
tions which we are attempting. A decision 
was taken to set up the Governing Council 
and to appoint a Director. This is a matter 
where the details can be worked out only 
when this new organisational set up recom- 
mended by the Jha Committee comes into 
force. There are certain legal difficulties ; 
we have consulted legal opinion in the 
matter It seem? that it is not possible to 
give a Governing Council theoretical powers 
without taking a number of other steps 
before hand. The Jha Committee itself 
said about this. And this is under active 
consideration of the Government and I hope 
before long it will be possible for Govern- 
ment to come to a decision and inform the 
House about it. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : In reply to 
my question, the hon. Minister had said 
that a deputy librarian was looking after 
the functions of the National Library there. 
May I know whether it is a fact that at the 
time of the Jha Com nittee's review of the 
activities of the National Library, Mr. 
Chittaranajan B in Joohidyaya was the 
Deputy Librarian there, and almost all the 
vice-chancellors of West Bengal, all the 
national professors of West Bengal and 
almost all the eminent scholars of West 
Bengal had made an appeal to Government 
in regard to Ch'ttaranjan Bandopadhyaya 
whom they described as a 'living biblio- 
graphy* and an 'erudite scholar* ? If so, 
since no case has bseo made out against 
him either by the Jha Committee or by the 
Khosla Committee, may I know why he has 
been transferred to the Reference Library 
where* he has no function to perform ? 
What was the charge that had been framed 
against him and why has he been trans- 
ferred, a man who has been described as a 
living bibliography by all the eminent 
scholars ? Why has his service been dis- 
pensed with so unceremoniously and without 
any reason 7 May I know whether Govern- 
ment are going to review his case again ? 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN: The 
transfer of Mr. Banerjee to give him the 
charge of the Central Reference Library has 



1 1 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Oral Answers 12 


been considered by the hon. Member as a 
punishment or an unceremonious transfer. 

I beg to disagree with that view. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : He has no 
functions there 

PROF S. NURUL HASAN : Any . 
scholar who knows the importance of refe- 
rencing in modern research would realise 
that referencing has become more and more 
important today and Government are giving 
active consideration to a proposal to ensure 
that proper facilities of referencing are built 
up in the country because without this 
development of referencing services, 1 am 
afraid most of the universities are going to 
be starved of their capacity to carry on 
research. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The hon. 
Minister has suppressed ihe facts; he knows 
the facts. He knows that Mr. Chitlarar.jan 
Bandopadhyaya has been degraded. He 
knows the facts and he knows the contro- 
versy that has been going on over this 
issue. Why were his services not utilised 
as Librarian there ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : While I 
am unable to dispute the hon. Minister's 
contention, may I point out that the 
removal of Mr. Chittaranjan Banerjee from 
the National Library has created a great 
vacuum there which is causing great diffi- 
culty there and the National Library 
Employees’ Association had sent in 
September 1971 their detailed observations 
on the Jha Committee’s recommendations 
to Government ? I would like to know 
from the hon. Minister whether Government 
have gone through it and if so, (heir 
reaction thereto ? 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : l would 
beg of the House to consider the earlier 
part of the observation that I had made 
and that was that if a high-powered govern- 
ing body with a great deal of autonomy is 
to administer the affairs of the National 
Library, then a decision in regard to the 
detailed organisational steps must nece- 
ssarily be taken by that governing body 
and not by my Ministry here. Therefore, 
that is a point or that is one of the points 
which 1 have no doubt any governing body 
wofttd consider. One of the first things it 


would do is to consider whatever are the 
genuine grievances or points of view or 
suggestions offered by the employees. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : My 
question remains unreplied to. My ques- 
tion was whether a memorandum had been 
received by the Central Government, 
whether the hon. Minister had gone through 
it and if so, what his reaction was ? Why 
pass on the baby to the governing body ? 
Is he not trying to carry coal to New 
Castle ? Let the hon. Minister reply to the 
question. If he has not got the reply, then 
let him say so. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I have 
received it, and 1 have considered it and 
given my reply. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This is 
no reply. 

Study of recession of watci table due 
to Tube Wells in U. P. 

•284. SHRI V1SHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the studies made so far by Govern- 
ment of the recession of water table due to 
intensive installation of tube-wells, parti- 
cularly, in Uttar Pradesh ; and 

(b) the steps being taken by the 
Government to check this recession ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The studies made so 
far by the Government do not indicate any 
general lecession of the water table due to 
intent ive installation of tube-wells, parti- 
cularly in Uttar Pradesh. 

(b) Questio t arise, 

n does no 

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : In view of the fact that a vast 
agro-industrial nuclear complex is contem- 
plated in U. P and one of its main features 
would be a energising wide net work of 
tube-wells, does the Government intend to 
set up an organisation now to study the 
level of subterranean water in UP under 
conditions of heavy draw-out or pumping 7 



13 Oral Answers 


SR A, VAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 14 


>ROF. SHER SINGH : The Central 
Groundwater Board has two offices located 
in UP, one at Lucknow and the other at 
Varanasi. The Lucknow office is making a 
study of the vtrater table and at Varanasi 
there is exploration office for tube-wells, 

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SHRl P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
Apart from UP, in other places also, as for 
instance, in Rayalaseema in Andhra Pradesh 
where there is already an acute water short- 
age, there is a steady deterioration of under- 
ground water because there is no scientific 
study of the underground water in that 
region. Also, because of the indiscriminate 
digging of wells, there is going to be a fall 
in agricultural production. What specific 
steps do Government propose to take to 
have a regular underground water study in 
that are* and advise agriculturists to be 
discriminating in digging wells ? 

PROF. SHER SINGH ; Recently the 
GSPs water wing has been merged with the 
- Central Groundwater Board. That orga- 


nisation is now taking steps to study the 
availability of water in various areas. Some 
other projects are alio there ; there Is a 
UNDP project and another with Canadian 
collaboration. We are making a study of 
the ground water in various parts including 
of the south. 

Report of the Study Group on celling on 
Irbao Property 

*285. SHRl C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minuter of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Study Group set up to 
inquire the question of ceiling on urban 
property has submitted its report : 

(b) if so, the main recommendations 
made by the Study Group ; and 

(c) the decisions taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). The Report containing the 
recommendations of the Study Group has 
been remitted by Government to a group of 
Ministers for detailed consideration. After 
Government take decisions on those recom- 
mon dations action will be taken both for 
publication of the report of the study group 
and for enacting appropriate legislation. 

SHRl C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : In his 
reply, the Minister has not given the main 
features of the recommendations made by 
the Study Group, if it is possible, it should 
be given. 

Seeondly, may I know whether, in res- 
pect ef the group of Ministers who are 
entrusted with the job of considering this, 
any time-limit has been proposed to finalise 
the taking of a decision regarding this 
matter ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
The question of time limit could not arise 
because the whole matter is under active 
consideration. ( Laughter ) I do not think 
there is any point in laughing, because a 
decision has not been taken. So, it is 
under consideration, (interruption) 



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Oral Answers 16 


MR. SPEAKER : It wafclust a derisive 
expression not laughter ; V , 

PROF. D . P. CHATTOPADHYAYA s 
Secondly, about the broad feature of the 
recommendations, I may say that the Study 
Group’s recommendations relate to the 
concept and definition of urban areas, pro- 
perty in urbans areas and some sort of 
limits, some proposed exemptions, etc. 
These have been considered. But they have 
not been finalised. I cannot give very 
specific answers. 1 have indicated only the 
broad features. 

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The 
answer of the bon Minister has been rather 
disappointing. In view of the fact that 
there are people in the urban areas who are 
selling off their properties to scuttle the 
proposed measure of urban ceiling, may 1 
know whether the Government would take 
some mearures to stop the selling of land in 
the urban areas beyond a certain limit ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
In the recommendations, there was a point 
to the effect that within a certain specific 
period before the immediate enactment of 
the legislation, the transactions that take 
place will be reviewed and if they are incon- 
sistent with the actual provisions, they may 
be nullified. In other legislations, already 
brought out by different States, these have 
also been considered. The point raised by 
the bon. Member in his question has been 
ooked into. 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : Is it 
a fact that the Study Group has made a 
recommendation by which the commercial 
and industrial establishments and also the 
houses and property owned by factories 
would be excluded from the proposed urban 
ceiling law. 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
We have already stated that the broad 
features that have been recommended, by 
which certain economical uses of the pro- 
perties will be given exemption, but the 
details as to what exactly will constitute 
the economical uses are yet to be worked 
out. 

SHRjf CHINTAM ANHl PAN I GR AH I: 
May I knbw from the hon. Minister, when 
the Study Group has submitted its report 
audit t* ttflder examination by the group of 


Ministers, what will happen to those State 
Governments who have already enacted 
laws by fixing urban ceiling limits, and 
whether, after the group of Ministers has 
considered this matter and come to a deci- 
sion, those laws will again be altered ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
D1KSHIT) : Let me explain the position. 
So far, about 12 Stares have agreed in 
principle to the Central legislation on ceiling 
on urban property. Then, six States have 
passed resolutions under article 252 of the 
Constitution authorising Central legislation. 
On the 15th April, the Study Group gave a 
report. The Cabinet Committee considered 
it in May, and they have remitted it to the 
group of Ministers. The Planning Com- 
mission and the other Ministries concerned 
are going to give this matter their conside- 
ration towards the end of this month. I 
have given an assurance in the other House 
that by the next session of Parliament we 
hope to be in a position to bring up legis- 
lation for the consideration of Parliament. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
May I know whether Government’s 
attention has been drawn to a statement 
madp by the President of the Ruling 
party that Government is contemplating 
to bring under ceiling some other forms of 
property also, not only land and buildings 
and secondly, whether any ratio is intended 
between the ceiling on agricultural property 
and ceiling on urban property ? 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: 
This question relates strictly to ceiling ou 
urban property and the question of the 
hon. Member does not arise out of this 
question. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
I am asking whether Government’s atten- 
tion has been drawn to that statement. How 
does it not arise ? 

MR. SPEAKER : He says that it does 
not arise in relation to the* subject of the 
main question ... ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT t 
If a separate question is put we shall find 
out but this question relates to ceiling on 
urban property, not other properties. 



&RAVANA $0, ll*4 (SAJTA) 


Oral Answers It 


17 \ Oral Answers 

£HRI SHY A M N AND AN MISHRA : 
Tbifere are other farms of urban property as 
well besides land and buildings. 

tyR. SPEAKER : You are asking the 
Minister of Housing and works and he is 
able to tell you only about *hem. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
The question is about urban ceiling and 
there are other forms of urban property. It 
is not a far cry from the mam question. 
Probably the Minister does not understand 
that there could be other forms of urban 
pioperty. 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSH1T : 
The question being considered upto this 
time relates to land and buildings in urbao 
areas a gd no other properties. 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : Socialisa- 
tion of land is the necessary pre-requisite 
for imposing urban ceilings. May 1 know 
the thinking of the Government in respect 
of free-hold land in Delhi, built-up land ? 
How is the Government going to socialise 
this land ? 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : 
This is the whole question. There is land 
which is built upon ; there is land which is 
not built upon. Both are to be considered. 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : What 
about free-hold land ? How are you going 
to socialise it ? 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : How many 
States have passed legislation regard- 
ing to ceiling on property ? Is it true that 
Madhya Pradesh is the first Pradesh to pass 
this law 7 What are the details ? 

MR. SPEAKER : He is giving you 
some information that they have also passed 
laws. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : They have put 
a ceiling of Rs. 3 lakhs. Has any directive 
been sent by the Centre to all the States to 
follow the lead of M. P. ? 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : They 
have included this in their election mani- 
festo and the committee has also submitted 
its report four months ago, about the 15th 
cl May. What are the reasons for the 
Government delaying its implementation 
and giving out its mind publicly 7 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT s 
There has been no delay. It is a compli- 
cated question. Agricultural property and 
urban property are very different matters. 
It is as late as June 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Aprl.i 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : 

. . . that the matter has been referred to 
and it had to go' through various stages 
and only recently this committee was 
appointed. There has been no delay; it is 
a complicated matter. 

Demand for training facilities for 
Nursery Teachers in Delhi 

*286. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAIK : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a heavy demand 
for training facilities for Nursery Teachers 
in Delhi; 

(b) the number of seats available in the 
recognized Institutes in Delhi and the num- 
ber of students seeking admissions and the 
steps being taken to meet the additional 
requirements of students of Delhi in the 
field of Nursery Teachers; and 

(c) whether the desirability of pooling 
the resources of the Delhi Municipal Cor- 
poration, Delhi Administration and the 
New Delhi Municipal Committee to meet 
this demand has been considered 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULEURE 
(PROF. S. NARUL HASAN): (a) to (c). 
Information 4$ being collected and will be 
laid down on the Table of the Sabha as 
soon as possible. 


SHRI BANAMALI PRTNA)K : Why 
k it taking so much time 7 


* SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : 
No, Sir, 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 


Oral Answers 20 


PROF. S NURUL HASA'N : Informa- 
tion has to be collected from Delhi 
Administration. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSO It is too 
for away ! 

PROF. S, NURUL HASAN : The 
collection of information takes time because 
it is a very wide question. ( Interruptions ). 

MR. SPEAKER : My only request 
and prayer is you actually keep silent for 
some time at least, for 10 minutes at least. 
I cannot work. You are so much near to 
me and you make my functioning so 
difficult. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 21 days’ 

notice is not sufficient to get a reply from 
the Delhi Administration. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. 

Scheme by Fertilizer Corporation of 
India for direct injection of 
Liquid Ammonia into 
Soli 

+ 

♦287. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI D. P JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Fertilizer Corporation 
of India has implemented the scheme for 
direct injection of liquid Ammonia into the 
soil; and 

(b) if so, the names of places where it 
has been tried 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Fertiliser Corporation of India has 
recently approved of a trial project for 
application of anhydrous ammonia around 
their Nangal, Gorakhpur and Durgapur 
units at a total cost of Rs. 21.06 lakhs. 
The scheme has not yet been implemented. 

SHRI VEKARIA : May I know 
whether any result has come from that 
experiment and whether it is cheaper and 
more simple than ammonia 7 


SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : We 
have an open mind on this. Actually 
' there is another proposal submitted by the 
Indian Agricultural Research Institute. We 
think this is a very desirable direction be- 
cause most of the advanced countries are 
taking to anyhydrous liquid ammonia, 
because it is cheaper. For Indian agricul- 
ture, cheaper inputs are desirable and we 
have an open mind. The new proposals 
are under examination. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : From the 
statement, it seems that the Fertilizer Cor- 
poration of India has made an experiment 
in areas having more or less the same type 
of soil; was there any further experiment in 
other types of soil elsewhere and if so, when 
and in which State 7 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : It 
is a suggestion for action. The scheme 
that has been accepted, I have mentioned. 
For new proposals, the hon. member’s 
observations will be borne in mind. 

SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP SINGH: 
Has any study been made about the 
problems of the transportation of liquid 
ammonia in rural areas 7 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : A 
number of other countries have rich ex- 
perience in this. We have sen* our experts 
to outside countries to study this. About 
the rural areas, we are working out how it 
can be done. 

Recruitment procedure prevaleot In 

1C.AR after appointment of 
Gajendragadkar Commission 

•289, SHRI BHARAT SINGH 
CHAU HAN : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether pending the recommenda- 
tions of the Gajendragadkar Commission, 
hitherto defective procedure of the recruit- 
ment is still continued with accelerated 
speed in the I.C.A R. ; and 

(b) whether the same set of officers in 
recruitment wing of tbs I.C.A.R. responsi- 
ble for Dr. Shah’s suicide, are still codtimi- 
ing on those posts ? 



21 Oral Answers 


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Oral Answers 22 


|the minister of state in the 

MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Keeping 
is view the importance of implementing 
speedily all the sanctioned research projects 
of the Indian Council of Agricultural Re- 
search, recruitment is being continued in 
accordance with the provisions of the rele- 
vant Bye-Laws of the Council. 

(b) The suggestion that some officers in 
the Recruitment Wing of the Indian Coun- 
cil of Agricultural Research are responsible 
for Dr. Shah’s suicide, has prima facie not 
been established. The question of not con- 
tinuing any set of officers in their posts 
does not arise at this stage except that chan- 
ges of personnel m the ordinary administra- 
tive course have also not been stopped. 

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frr^Ifif ? 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P.’ SHINDE : 
This matter was very throughly discussed on 
the door of the House and as a result of 
the suggestions of the hon. Members, a 
committee under the chairmanship of Dr. 
Gajendragadkar was appointed lv go into 
these matters. After the recommendations 
of the Committee are available, naturally 
government will take appropriate decisions, 
if 9ome changes are required. At the 
moment, as research activity is a continuing 
activity, we cannot allow research to suffer 
by stopping all recruitment. 

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fra ffr qr: faraJr n>r n’Rft gtj ? 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : All 
thebe facts have to be collected. The 
Selection Committees met at the ICAR 
Headquarters during the last four months. 
May to August, as follows : May — 41, 
June — 12, July — 30 and August 9, 
making a total of 92 sittings up to 21st 
August. 1 do not think it would be correct 
to presume everything is defective. In fact, 
many times the committees are presided 
over by outside scientists. Majority of the 
members of the committees were outsiders, 
eminent scientists. To presume they are 
not doing these things correctly would not 
be proper. But government have an open 
mind in this matter. A very high level 
committee is going into these matters now. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : At the time 
of the discussion of Dr. Shah’s death some 
assurance was given by the hon. Minister 
that there will be some change in the 
recruitment and promotion policy, both 
long-term and short-term. What are the 
new policies adopted ? Were they adopted 
in consultation with the scientists who are 
there 7 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : As 
far as Class I scientists with a salary scale 
of less than Rs 700 — 1200 is concerned, in 
the matter of recruitment and promotion 
normally the Directors of the Institute were 
presiding. We have now taken a decision 
that an outside scientist will preside over 
those committees instead of the Director. As 
far as higher posts are concerned, the 
existing practice of the Minister of Food 
and Agriculture nominating an eminent 
outside scientist to preside over the meeting 
has not been changed. As I said, we are 
awaiting the recommendations of the high 
level committee on this matter, which we 
expect very soon. 

More staff for Hospitals In Delhi 

*290. KUMARI KAMLA Kt/MARI : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some more experts are to 
be provided to the Department of Psychiatry 



23 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 2i # 1972 


Orel Answers 24 


io Pant Hospital, AH Io^ia Institute of 
Medical Sciences, Safdarjanf Hospital, New 
Delhi and Mental Hospital; $hahdara ; and 

fb) whether these Hospitals have a»ked 
for increase in the number of their staff and 
doctors ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI A. K KISKU) : (a) 
and (b). A statement containiug the required 
information is laid on the Table of the 
Sabba. 

Statement 

The Hospital for Mental Diseases, 
Shahda a have asked for the following posts 
for Chronic Patients Ward and Nurses 
Hostel : — 

Chronic Patients Wards 


1. Dietition 1 

2. Assistant Matron 1 

3. Occupational Therapist 1 

4. Nursing Sister 2 

5. Staff Nurse 12 

6. Store Keeper 1 

7. U, D. C. 1 

8. Medical Record Technician 1 

9. Pharmacist 2 

10. L. D. C. 1 

11. Havaldar 1 

Nurses Hostel 

1. Mate 1 

2. Sweeper-cum-Chowkidar 1 

3. Bearer 1 

4. Cook 1 

5. Chowkidar 3 


2. The following proposal for addu 
tional staff to establish “Re-Addition Clinic” 
io the Safdarjang Hospital is also under 
consideration : — 

1. Psychiatrist (Specialist 
Grade of G H, S.) 


2 f G. D, O. IT ($ months 

experience as Psychiatry 
Registrar) 

3. Psychologist 1 

4. House Surgeon 2 

5. Staff Nurses 3 

6. Upgrading of the post of 

psychiatric Social Worker 

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SHRI A. K. KISKU : I have mentioned 
in the statement about the requirements of 
staff in the Psychiatric Departments of our 
various Hospitals. The matter will be looked 
into as soon as possible. 

Brick plant in Sul tan pur (Mehranli) 
running nt loss 

*292. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the mechanised brick plant 
in Sultanpur village on the Mebrauii- 
Gurgaon road set up by the National 
Building Construction Corporation in 1967 
is running at a loss from the very beginn- 
ing ; and 

(b) if so, the positive steps Government 
has so far taken in this regard and tba 
various reasons for not working the plant 
satisfactorily T 

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OP HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND- IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROP. D. 
P. CHATTOFADHYAYA) ; (a) and (b). 
Yes, Sir, 


1 



IS \ Oral Answers 


SRAVANA 34 tt94 (S4XA) 


Oral Answers 16 


A fcmmUiet was set up in December, 
1971 to Identify the precise difficulties and 
deficiencies and , to make recommendations 
for improving the working of the factory. 
The Committee's recommendations have 
been received and are under consideration 
of Government. 

Fn the meanwhile the Corporation has 
carried out certain essential repairs to the 
Plant and some improvement has been 
noticed. The production of bricks has gone 
up from 5 lakhs in December, 1971 to 8.53 
lakhs in June, 1972. 

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PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
The loss, obviously, is to be borne by the 
Department concerned. There is no doubt 
about it. Some remedial measures have 
already been taken. Some machinery has 
been replaced ; some financial set up is 
proposed to be restructured and some 
managerial steps have also been taken. As 
a result of all that, it is expected that the 
cost of production will slightly go down and 
the rate of rejections of bricks will also be 
favourably effected. The labour problem 
has also been slightly improved. These are 
the steps that have been taken and good 
results have already been yielded as 
observed from the statistical improvements 
of the production. 

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RR SR SNR •R RRTR Rtf fRRT ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
As 1 have said, in the managerial set-up, 
we hav N e brought about a certain change. 
But no disciplinary action has been taken 
sgainst anybody. 


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ft RT RRT ? 

SHRI R. P. YADAV : "lay I know 
from the hon. Minister whether the Govern- 
ment is prepared to extend this facility to 
rural areas also ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI UMA 
SHANKAR DIKSHIT) : I hope, the hon. 
Member is himself acquainted with the 
exact position. It is a complicated and 
sophisticateJ machinery imported from 
Rumanian. Gradually, the technical and 
other matters have been brought under 
control There can be no question of 
extending or using this machinery in a rural 
area. Of course, ordinary brick kilns are 
there and other materials are being utilised. 
But we are not considering to establish a 
similar machinery in any rural area of the 
country. 

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27 Oral Aeswtrs 


AUGUST 2\, 1972 


Orel Aruwtn 28 


yfagi fc iwrfr ^ 1 

mgr rr tt 

ill: «pt vtf rw $ si<T asm 5f? 
*PPFR J’THft | ?rt wf 1RT |t 
%, W VR"! | ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
We have already answered that question. 
We have said that the reasons are labour 
trouble and there was some defect in the 
machine and it could not be fully utilised. 

Decision on land ceiling at Chief Minister s 
Conference held on 23rd July* 1972 

+ 

*293. SHRL C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: 
SHR1 C. T. DHANDAPANI : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether at the Chief Minister's meet 
ir. Delhi on the 23rd July, 1972 the question 
of land Ceiling in the country was decided ; 
and 

* 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF ST \TE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULT URE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) A Statement is placed on the Table 
of the House [Placed in Library See No. 
LT- 3452/72]. 

SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : I 
want to know whether the State Govern- 
ments are bringing the Land Ceiling Amend- 
ment as per the instructions of the Central 
Government or the Central Land Reforms 
Committee It is seen that different Sta'es 
are making different holdings due to which 
there is uneasiness in some of the States. 
For Example, in Maharashtra and Mysore, 
the features of the land and the climatic 
conditions are the same, but so far as the 
land holdings are concerned, the two Govern- 
ments have brought out different ceilings. 


I want to know whether the, Government 
of India has given any instructions with 
regard to this to the State Governments* 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : The 
State Governments are expected to follow 
the broad policy approaches which would 
be evolved by the Government of India. 
Broadly the approaches are known. They 
were discussed in the Chief Ministers* Con- 
ference. We are shortly sending communi- 
cations to the State Governments. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : As our 
hon. friend asked, was any instruction sent 
by the Central Government to the State 
Governments 7 I want to know from the 
hon. Minister what is the specific guideline 
given by the Central Government to the 
State Governments and if any guideline has 
been given, the reaction of the State 
Governments thereto. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : I 
have said that we are shortly sending 
communications to the State Governments. 
The Chief Ministers were involved in this 
exercise. They know the broad approa- 
ches unanimously evolved by the Chief 
Ministers’ Conference, and the State Govern- 
ments are, therefore, expected to follow the 
broad guidelines evolved in the Chief 
Ministers’ Conference. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI I want 
to ask another question. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : You have already 
put one question. Moreover, the Question 
Hour is also over. 


WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 
Exploitation of Tribal People 

*283. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

fa) whether intense exploitation of the 
tribal people and seething discontent among 
them were the basic reasons for the Naxaht* 
movement in the Srikakulam area in Andhra 
Pradesh; 

(b) whether similar situation prevail* 
among tribals in other areas also; and 



29 ^ Written Answers SRAVANA 30. 1894 (SAKA) 


(d) if so, whether Government have 
evolved any new strategy for dealing with 
tribal problems with a view to remove the 
basic causes of their discontent as quickly 
as possible ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) The Naxalite movement 
in the Srlkakulam area in Andhra Pradesh 
was largely due to the grievances of the 
Tribal people over defective implementation 
of legislation intended to protect their laod 
rights and extremely slow pace of socio- 
economic development in the tribal areas. 


Written Answers 30 

(b) Similar situation prevails jn some 
other tribal areas also. 

(c) A statement is laid on the Table of 
the House. 

Statement 

Apart from the existing schemes in the 
Backward Classes Sector for the welfare of 
Scheduled Tribes, 6 Pilot Projects have been 
sanctioned by the Ministry of Agriculture 
in the States of Andhra Pradesh, Madhya 
Pradesh, Bihar and Orissa for the economic 
development of Tribal areas as indicated 
below : — 


S, No. State 

1. Andhra Pradesh 

2. Bihar 

3. Madhya Pradesh 

4. Orissa 


District 

Srikakulam 

Singhbhum 

Bastar 

Ganjam & Koraput 


No. of Projects 

1 

1 

2 

2 


A sum of Rs. 1.50 crores has been ear- 
marked for each of these projects in the 
remaining periud of the IV Five Year Plan. 
The basic approach in each of the projects 
is to identify a core programme of econo- 
mic development keeping in view the local 
needs and to supplement it by an additional 
progiammeof a net-work of communica- 
tions, linking the areas with State National 
Highways and providing supporting services 
in the shape of drinking water facilities, 
education, health ete. 

The Government is also thinking of 

evolving a new strategy for tribal develop- 
ment keeping m view the following objec- 
tives. 

1. Protective legislation should be 
enacted and enforced stiictly for 
the Scheduled Tribes living in- 
side or outside the Scheduled 
areas. 

2. Special schemes should be de- 
vised and existing schemes 
modified to cater to the needs 
of the most backward and neg- 
lected tribal communities. 


3. The programme of Tribal Deve- 
lopment Blocks should be ex- 
panded to cover ail areas having 
atleast 50% tribal population 
and funds should also be pro- 
vided to cover pockets of tribal 
concentration remaining outside 
the Tribal Development Blocks. 

4. The allotment for Tribal Deve- 
lopment Blocks and tribal 
pockets may be increased for 
accelerated development. 

5. For enlarging the activities of 
apex cooperative corporations, 
financing agencies should finance 
Johns. 

6. Procedure may be devised to 
ensure that benefits flow from 
general sector to the Scheduled 
Tribes, particularly for drinking 
water, communications, health, 
agriculture, animal husbandry 
and cottage industries etc. 
Efforts should be made to collect 
data constantly about the actual 
benefits derived by the Sche- 
duled Tribes from these pro- 
grammes. 



31 Written Answers AUGUST 21» 1972 Written Answers 31 


7. Scheme* of rehftbtlihtloQ of tri- 
bal people displace# as a mult 
of major projetfl should be 
integral parts of projects them- 
selves, and should include pro- 
grammes for education, training 
and equipment of the displaced 
people. 

This proposal was discussed in a Con- 
ference of State Ministers of Social Welfare 
held on 23rd July, 1972. The Government 
of India is also thinking of appointing a 
Group of Experts to advise Government on 
the new strategy for tribal developmeLt. 

Transport Facilities for Girl Students 
in Delhi 

♦288. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AN 3 r*\NS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware 
that transport facilities for the girl students 
in Delhi are not adequate; and 

(b) if so, the special arrangements 
Government propose to make in this regard? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). Eighteen special trips are ope- 
rated by the D.T.C. exclusively for the con- 
venience of girl students from the various 
localities of the city to the different womens 
colleges. Besides a large number of special 
trips are also operated which are being uti- 
lised by students for going to the Univer- 
sity Campus and colleges situated at other 
places. Since a number of regular services 
operating on the various routes in the c ty 
also cover the University and their colleges, 
the present arrangements are considered to 
be by and large adequate for the needs of 
girl students. 

Central aid for Housing Projects ia 
Punjab 

•291. SHRI SUKHDEO PRV5AD 
VERM A : WfU the Minister of W3RKS 
AND H3UJIN3 be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Government of Pun- 
jab \m sought financial help from the Cen- 
tral fonds for housing projects in the State; 


(b) if so, the Government’s reaction 
thereto 7 4 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b). A proposal 
was received from the Government of Pun- 
jab for the provision of 30,668 developed 
house-sites at an estimated cost of Rs.299.60 
lakhs under the Central Sector Scheme for 
provision of house-sites to landless workers 
in rural areas. The cost of acquisition and 
the gross area per house-site was considered 
to be excessive. The State Government 
have been requested to examine the possi- 
bility of effecting reduction in the cost of 
acquisition. They have also been requested 
to confirm that the difference be\ween the 
actual cost of development per house-siie 
proposed by them and the cost of develop- 
ment payable under the sebeme by the 
Centre would be borne by them. The 
Scheme will be scrutinised with a view te 
its expeditious clearance on receipt of rep- 
lies to the points raised by the Centre. 

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3$ Written Answers 
! Conference ofIState Health Ministers 

*295. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Smi SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether State Health Ministers' 
Conference was held in Delhi ; and 

(b) if so, the subjects discussed and 
decisions arrived at ? 

THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS 
AND HOUSING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
D1KSH1T) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) A statement is laid on the Table of 
the Sabha. 

Statement 

A Conference of all Health Ministers, 
Health Secretaries and Directors of Health 
Services of State Government and Union 
Territories was held on 25th and 26di July, 
1972 m Vigyan Bhavan, New Delhi. 

Tne mam items that were discussed in 
the Conference were : — 

1. National Health Scheme for Rural 
Areas ; 

2. Family Planning Programme ; and 

3. Introduction of a system of graded 
charges on medical treatment and 
health services. 

The Scheme of National Health Services 
for rural areas envisages employment of 
2,50,000 registered medical practitioners in 
Indigenous Systems of Medicine and 
Homoepathy in rural areas. After taking 
into consideration the various points of 
view expressed by the State Ministers, the 
Conference resolved to constitute a Com- 
mittee under the Chairmanship of the Union 
Minister of State for Health and Family 
Planning and consisting of the Ministers of 
Health of the States of Bihar, Haryana, 
Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra. Mysore, 
Nagaland, Rajasthan, Tamil ^*du, Uttar 


Written Answers 34 

Pradesh aod West Bengal to go into the 
details of the scheme and to suggest nece- 
ssary modifications to ensure smooth 
implementation of the scheme The Con- 
ference also noted with concern the varying 
rate of progress of the Family Planning 
programme in some of the largely populated 
States and resolved that a special study of 
the reasaon for slow progress is necessary. 
The Conference constituted a Committee of 
the Health Ministers of the States of Assam, 
Bihar, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, 
Madhya Pradesh, Manipur, Mysore, Rajas- 
than, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal under 
the Chairmanship of the Union Minister 
of State for Health and Family Planning to 
make a study of the slow progress and to 
consider ways and means of giving nece- 
ssary fillip to the programme. On the 
question of introduction of graded charges, 
divergent views were expressed by the State 
Ministers and hence the Conference resolved 
that State Governments may take steps to 
raise resources either by imposing health 
cess or by direct charge or by any other 
means as may be dictated by local condi* 
tions. The Conference also briefly discussed 
ways and means' of solving the problem of 
unemployment among doctors, food adulte- 
ration and prevention of air and water 
pollution. 

Fishing Port at Dhamara Bahuore, Orissa 

*296. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to build a port lor fishing at Dhamara near 
Chandbali in the district of Balasore, Orissa 
with full financial assistance from the 
Centre ; and 

(b) if so, the main programmes 
thereo f ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) As a 
result of a survey of fishing harbour sites 
in Orissa, Dhamara was selected as one of 
the potential sites. Detailed engineering 
and economic studies have been carried out 
at Dhamara by the UNDP Project for Pre- 
investment Survey of Fishing Harbours and 
a Project Report has been prepared. The 


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33 Written Answers 


AUGUST 21. 1972 


Written Answers 36 


question of sanctioning the harbour is under 
consideration. On approval* the Project 
will be fully financed by the Central 
Government. 

(b) The Project envisages construction 
of a wharf of 200 metres in length with a 
dredged depth of 2 metres. Provision for a 
boai building yard, slipway and other shore 
facilities like auction hall, water supply, 
office building, etc. has been made. 

Production of Foodgrain during Rabi 
Season 

*297. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : will the minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) the food production in the Rabi 
Season of this year ; and 

(b) how does it compare with the pro- 
duction of the same season of last year 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
Firm estimate of production of rabi food- 
grains in the country during 1971-72 is not 
yet available. However, according to infor- 
mation available so far, the production of 
wheat is likely to be higher than the record 
level of 23.2 million tonnes reached m 
1970-71, while the output of some of the 
other rabi grains may be lower. 

Running of Aligarh Muslim University 
without Government's help 

•298. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of EDUCA- 
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the activities of some of 
Muslim Organisations who propose to work 
out a plan to run the Aligarh Muslim Uni- 
versity without Government help in order 
to retain its minority character ; 

(b) whether the Muslim League of India 
in its decent conference appointed com* 
mitted for the purpose ; and 


(c) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND * CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and («). 
According to a Press Report, the Working 
Committee of the Indian Union Muslim 
League in its meeting held on June 23, 
1972, appointed a 9 member tub-committee 
to examine the prospects of running the 
University as an aided institution, instead 
of its being completely financed by the 
Government so that it could be maintained 
purely as a Muslim University managed by 
the Muslims for their benefit. 

(c) No Organisation has so far appro- 
ached the Government with a plan to run 
the Universify without Government’s help. 

Loss in purchase of Gram by F. C. I. in 

Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan during 
current Rabi Season 

*299. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Food Corporation of 
India has suffered collosal loss in commer- 
cial purchase of gram in Punjab, Haryana 
and Rajasthan in current rabi season ; 

(b) if so, whether any investigation has 
been made into this ; and 

(c) if so, the findings thereof ? 

THE MINISTSR OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Most of 
the stocks of gram which where purchased 
by the Food Corporation of India from the 
mandis and the State Farms/Corporation 
on commercial basis are still with them and 
the financial results of the operations will 
be known only after the stocks are disposed 
of. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Reaction of States to New Sugar Policy 

•300. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 



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Written Answers 38 


SRAVaNA 30,1894 (SAKA) 


:{a) whether the new sugar policy anno- 
unepd by the Central Government has not 
been favoured by some State Governments; 

(b) if so, their main objections in this 
regard ; and 

(c) whether the Government have con- 
sulted those State Governments on the 
issue to ascertain their view points in the 
matter 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 
(PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) and (bj. 
A few State Governments represented 
against the new policy of statutory 
partial control brought into effect from 
the 1st July, 1972. Their views were that 
the levy prices notified by the Central 
Government were unrealistic and would be 
a great disincentive to the efforts for maxi- 
mising production of sugarcane and sugar 
in the next year. 

(c) No, Sir. 


State Scheme (Madhya Pradesh) approved 
. by the housing and Urban Development 
Corporation 

2780. SHRI MARTAND SING of 
Rewa : Will the Minister of \yORK AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of State Schemes 
(Madhya Pradesh) approved by the Housing 
and Urban Development Corporation; 

(b) the money advanced under the 
Scheme so far in Fourth Five Year Plan ; 
and 

(c) the money being advanced in 
respect of Madhya Pradesh during the 
current Financial Year 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). 
The Housing and Urban Development 
Corporation have sanctioned the following 
schemes in Madhya Pradesh and will lend 
money for these schemes as shown below : 


Name of Scheme 

Total loan 

Of the loan 

Of the loan sanctioned 


sanctioned 

sanctioned, 

further amount proposed 



amount dis- 

to be disbursed upto 



bursed so 
far upto 

31. 7. 72 

31. 3. 73 




( 

lacs of 

Rupees ) 

1. 

Housing Accommodation 

39 

5 

15 


Scheme of Bhopal Im- 





provement Trust 


k 


2. 

Jabalpur Housing 

130 

— 

21 


Scheme 




3. 

Housing Scheme at 

Shahpura, Bhopal 

Total : 

40 

— 

9 


209 

3 

45 




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Written Answer* 40 


IHiteratss in Madhya Pfffedesb 

2781. SHRI MART AND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of illiterates in the 
State of Madhya Pradesh at the end of the 
year 1971; and 

(b) the steps proposed to speed up the 
programme of making persons literate 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY (a) According to Census of India 
1971, there were 3,24,36,041 illiterates in 
the state of Madhya Pradesh. 

(b) Eradication of illiteracy is the 
responsibility of the State Government. 
However, to supplement the elforts of the 
State Government, the Government of India 
have sanctioned Functional Literacy Pro- 
grammes in four districts in Madhya Pradesh 
Also under consideration are proposals for 
introducing a scheme of Pilot Projects for 
Eradication of illiteracy in Selected Districts 
and a scheme of Eradication of Illiteracy 
through National Service Scheme Volun- 
teers. 

B‘Ed< Seats in Delhi 

2782. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of seats for B. Ed. in 
the Union Territory of Delhi both in Jamia 
Milia Islamia and Delhi University ; 

(b) whether the number of seats is too 
small in comparison to other States with the 
result that most of the candidates seek 
admission for B. Ed in the Colleges of 
nearby States causing great financial stress 
to the parents; and 

(c) whether in view of the large number 
of candidates in the Union Territory of 
Delhi, especially female candidates, Govern- 
ment propose to increase the number of 


seats substantial ly in the near future 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) 340 
during 1972-73. 

(b) and (c). The number of seats is 
determined keeping in view the physical 
facilities available. It is for the University 
of Delhi and Jamia authorities to consider 
the question of increasing the number of 
seats for the B. Ed. course. 

Strike in Arts College, Tllak Marg. 

New Delhi . 

2783. SHRI D K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the students of College of 
Art, 22, Tilak Marg, New Delhi are on 
strike for the past several months; if so, the 
reasons therefor; 

(b) whether due to this strike the 
Annual Examinations have been postponed 
indefinitely inspite of the fact that a certain 
Section of the students presented themselves 
on the examination date and ; 

(c) the steps Government propose to 
end the strike and hold the Annual Exami- 
nations as early as possible; 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c). 
The students wvnt on strikeon 1 3thof Jaunary, 
1972. The immediate cause of the 9 tnke 
was : 

(i) the unfounded fear of the students 
that the National Diploma in Art 
of the All India Council for Tech- 
nical Education would be disconti- 
nued and that only State Diplomas 
would be awarded; and 

(ii) that the part-time evening courses 
would be shifted from the College 
of Art to a private institution in 
Delhi. 

Later the students demanded immediate 
affiliation of the College to the Delhi 
University and grant of University Degrees 



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Written Answers 41 


instead of National Diploma of the All 
India Council for Technical Education. 
They alao made allegations against the 
management of the College. 

The Delhi Administration has already 
taken up the question of affiliation of the 
Art with the Delhi University and the grant 
of Degree by them. The decision of the 
Delhi University is awaited. 

The other demands of the students are 
also being looked into by a Committee 
constituted for the purpose of reorganisation 
of the College. 

As regards examinations for National 
Diploma in Applied Art of the All India 
Council for Technical Education held 
annualy, on the representation of the 
students, the examinatons which were to be 
held in April, 1972 were postponed to July, 
1972. 

On the 24th of July, 1972 no student 
reported for the examination in Fine Art 
Sculpture groups. On the 26th of July, 
some students reported for the examination 
in Commercial Art group. But most of 
the examinees and many other students of 
the College gathered outside and threatened 
that the examination cannot under any 
circumstances be allowed to be proceeded 
with in spite of persuation. The Controller 
of examinations along with the Superinten- 
dent of examination and the three Professors 
of the College, keeping in view, the past 
experience and the situation as it obtained 
hen, concluded that the examination could 
not be conducted. The matter has now 
been taken up with the Chairman of the 
Examination Committee for holding these 
examinations as early as possible. 

W.H O. Report regarding use of Narcotics 
in Modern Medicine 


2784. SHRI M. S. S1VASAMY : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have consi- 
dered the report by the Scientific Group of 
the W.H.O. that the Opium, morphine and 
codine are no longer indispensable in the 
practice of modern medicine; and 


(b) if so, the facts thereof and the 
results achieved ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE 1!J THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING : AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. 
C1IATTOPADHAYAYA): (a) and (b). The 
reports is under examination. 


Incomplete Abortion cases in Lady Hardinge 
Hospital, New Delhi 

2785. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FVM1LY PLANNING be pleased to state ; 

(a) the number of incomplete abortion 
cases dealt within the Lady Hardinge 
Hospital, New Delhi, during the last three 
months ; 

(b) the number of cases in which 
complications arose after operations and 
the reasons therefor; 

(c) whether these complications have 
occurred due to negligence on the part of 
Doctors, while working upon the operations; 
and 

(d) if so, whether Government have 
investigated the matter and taken precau- 
tionary measures to avoid such occurrences 
in future, if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) ; (a) 387 (Three 
hundred and eighty seven). 

(b) There were 27 cases with minor 
complications due to their seeking medical 
aid at a late stage. 

(c) No. 


(d) Does not arise. 

Derecognition of F-C.l. Association 

2786. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA ; Will the Minister of 
AGRICULTURE be pleased to state ; 



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Written Answers 


44 


(a) whether Government have de- 
recognised the F.C.I. Employees Association; 

and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? , 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANN AS AH EB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 

No, S-r-* The Government had never re- 
cognised the Food Corporation of India 
Employees Association. However, the 
Food Corporation of India had recognised 
the All India Central Government Food 
Employees Association a defacto basis. In 
view of the split in the Association, defacto 
dealings with either of the groups of this 
Association have been suspended by the 
Food Corporation of India. 

Maintenance of works undertaken during 
Famine fin Rajasthan 

2787. SHRI B1SHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state whether the 
Central Government are also aware that the 
much of the work done during the earlier 
famine periods have been mostly undone 
due to lack of proper maintenance and the 
state is exposed to a worse ever famine and 
shortage of drinking water and if so, what 
Central assistance has been envisaged to 
mitigate the difficulties of the people of the 
State of Rajasthan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The Govern- 
ment of Rajasthan has denied that the relief 
works done during the earlier drought 
period have been undone. All possible 
measures are being taken for the mainte- 
nance of the works. Although due to the 
failure of rains, drought conditions prevail 
in the Slate, the position has improved in 
the eastern districts on account of recent 
rains. While there will be no shortage of 
drinking water in the Eastern districts, 
water supply arrangements in the Western 
districts are continuing. A Central Study 
Team visited Rajasthan in May 1972, and 
recommended ceilings of expenditure of 
Rs. 2.19 crores on relief items to be adopted 
for the period June- July, 1972. Another 
•tody team is scheduled to make an on-the- 


spot assessment of the situation and to 
recommend the ceilings of expenditure for 
the purposes of central assistance. Further 
central assistance will be given to the State 
Government in the light of the recommenda- 
tions of the study team. In the meantime, 
an ad-hoc loan assistance of Rs. 1 crore 
has been sanctioned to the State Govern- 
ment for meeting its immediate require- 
ments. 

Rules for Allotment of Government 
Accomodation 

2788. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of 
WORKS AND HOUSING be p'eased to 
state : 

(a) whether the rules of allotment of 
Government quarter to senior officers from 
type five and above are different from the 
low paid employees entitled to type four 
and below; 

(b) whether while in the former cate- 
gory, allotment is made to officers one 
type below of their entitled type while the 
same facility is not available to the Low 
Income Group employees; 

(c) the justification of having two sets 
of rules, one more favourable to high paid 
officers aad other unfavourable to the low 
paid employees; and 

(d) what steps are being taken to 
make one type below allotment to low paid 
employees also as is now being permitted 
to high paid employees entitled to type five 
and above ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). 
In the case of employees entitled to type V 
and above, seniority for purposes of allot- 
ment of accomodation from the general 
pool is taken from the date from which 
such employees have been continuously 
drawing emoluments relevant to a particular 
type or a higher type in a post under the 
Central Government or a State Government. 
In their case, the entire service rendered by 
them is not taken into consideration for 
purposes of allotment of general pool 



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Written Answers 46 


accomodation. In the case of employees 
entitled to type IV and below, their seniority 
is reckoned from the date from which they 
have been continuously in service under the 
Central Government or State Government 
and the entire service rendered by them is 
taken into consideration. However, emplo- 
yees entitled to type V and above are 
allotted accomodation, on request, in the 
next below type. In the case of officers 
entitled to type V and above, if the total 
service put in by these officers under the 
Central Government/State Government is 
taken into consideration, there may be 
many who have put in service over 20 years 
but have not been allotted accommodation 
of their entitled type. The rules are, there- 
fore, not more favourable to highly paid 
officers. There is no proposal at present 
to allow allotment in the next below type in 
the case of officers entitled to type IV and 
below as the percentage of satisfaction in 
type II is much lower than that in types 111 
and IV. 

Scheme for Research in Arecanut 

2789. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN 
KADANNAPPALLI : Will the Minister 
of AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether many schemes regarding 
research on arecanuts have been received 
from the Central Coconut Research Station 
at Kasaragode in Kerala; 

(b) if so, the main features; thereof; 
and 

(c) the action taken thereon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, 

Sir. Two schemes namely (i) arecanut 
technology and utilisation and (ii) scheme 
for the multiplication of genetically superior 
planting material of arecanut and other 
crops have been received from the 
C.P.C.R.I. Kasaragode. 

(b) The scheme on arecanut techno- 
logy and utilisation seeks to diversify use 
of arecanut for purposes other than chewing. 
Investigations on the alkaloids in arecanut, 
utilisation of residue for industrial purposes 
like hard-boards etc; manufacture of chewing 
sum, tooth paste and beverages, will be 
undertaken under this scheme. 


The other scheme aims at producing 
genetically superior hybrids/varieties in 
sufficient numbers to make it possible to 
cover large areas under these high yielding 
varieties. The scheme will be located in 
the . Kidu reserved forest area, Mysore 
State. 

(c) The Schemes are being processed 
and are likely to be placed before the next 
meetings of the concerned Scientific Panels/ 
Standing Committee for Agricultural 
Research/Standing Finance Committee/ 
Governing Body of the I.C.A.R. for their 
consideration. 

Fall in Price of Arecanuts 

2790. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN 
KADANNAPPALLI: Will the Minister of 

AGRICULTURE be pleased to state • 

\ 

(a! whether Government are aware 
that the price of arecanuts is going down 
day by day and the agriculturists of Kerala 
and Mysore States are facing much difficul- 
ties; and 

(b) if so, the action taken thereon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAH 2B P. SHINDE): (a) Yes 
Sir . There has been a fall in the prices of 
arecanut during the current year as compa- 
red to the prices prevailing last year. 

(b) This issue is under the considera- 
tion of the Govt, of India. 

Setting up Arecanut Board 

2791. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN 
, KADANNAPPALLI : 
SHRI B. V. NAIK : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state whether there is a pro- 
posal to set up Arecanut Board, like Rubber 
Board, Cardamom Board etc. to give some 
protection to Arecanut growers ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : No Sir. 
There is no such proposal under the consi- 
deration of the Government of Indian at 
present. 



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Promotion to Junior Engineers in 
D.D.A? 

2792. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM: 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the department of Cent- 
ral Public Works Department and Delhi 
Development Authority are functioning 
under the Works and Housing Ministry; 

(b) if so, whether the Junior Engineers 
in C.P.W.D. are denied promotion even 
after ten years of service while the Junior 
Engineers in D.D.A. are promoted in a few 
years of service; and 

(c) if so, the reasons for allowing such 
disparities to continue for indefinite period ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
D1KSHIT) : (a) The Central Public 

Works Department is an attached office of 
the Ministry of Works & Housing whereas 
the Delhi Development Authority is a Sta- 
tutory Body functioning under the overall 
control of this Ministry. 

(b) and (c). The number of Junior 
Engineers with 10 years of service in the 
C.P.W.D., is 1550. It is not possible to 
consider all of them for promotion. 

As the C.P.W.D. is a Government 
Department and the D.D.A. is an autono- 
mous body, it would not be appropriate to 
compare the avenues of promotion in the 
two Organisations as these depend upon a 
number of factors such as the strength of 
the cadres the number of vacancies availa- 
ble from time to time and the number of 
eligible officers due for promotion. 

Import of Tractors during 1972-73 

2793. SHRI SADHU RAM : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be picased to 
state whether 20,000 tractors are proposed 
to be imported during 1972-73, if so, their 
break up, country-wise and make-wise, and 
whether completely built up or in S.K.D. or 
C.K.D. packs and with what percentage of 
elimination of components, if any, for 
S.K.D. and C.K.D. packs ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The Govern- 
ment of India has decided to import 20,000 
tractors. Their break-up (country- wise, 
make-wise, etc.) is under examination. 

Postponment of Delhi University 
(Amendment) Bill 

2794. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a memorandum by the 
members of the Delhi University Teachers 
Association had been submitted to the 
Prime Minister seeking postponement of the 
Delhi University (Amendment) Bill and 
retention of the federal character of the 
University; and 

(b) if to, the reaction of Government 
thereto 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) The 
President of the Delhi University Teachers 
Association addressed a letter to the Prime 
Minister on August 7, 1972 appeaimg to her 
to consider he repeal of the Delhi Univer- 
sity (Amend nent) Ordinance, 197; and also 
to meet a deputation of the Association on 
the following day. The deputation met the 
Prime Minister on August 8, 1972. 

(b) The attitude of the Government 
regarding the various points raised was 
explained to the deputation. 

Opening of Science Academy and 

Physical Education Institute In 
North Eastern Region 

2795. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there i9 any proposal under 
consideration of Government to open a 
Science Academy and a Physiol Education 
Institute in any of the States of North- 
Eastern Region; and 

(b) if so, the locations thereof ? 





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Written Answers SO 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

House Building Advance to Central 

Government Employees in States 
and Union Territories 

2796. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state the amount of loan 
given to Central Government employees in 
Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur, 
Tripura States and the Union Territories of 
Arunachal and Mizoram for the last three 
years upto March 1972 for construction of 
houses, State-wise 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : The infor- 
mation is being collected and will be laid 
on the Table of the House. 


Joint Organisation of Authors, 
Publishers and Book Sellers 

2797. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether establish n:it of a joint 
organisation of authors, publishers and 
book sellers in the country, is b^mg con- 
templated to foster better understanding 
among three vital conpooents of publishing 
industry; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the joint 
organisation ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and b). A proposal to this 
effect was made in the first meeting of the 
National Committee for International Book 
Year. This matter is yet to be further con- 
sidered by the Committee. The proposal is 
in preliminary stage and no details tjav$ 
been finalized. 


Shortage of Tractors 

2798. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased" to slate : 

. (a) whether shortage of tractors in the 
country is adversely affecting the ‘Green 
Revolution’; 

(b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken 
in this regard; and 

(c) the number of tractors imported 
during the last three years and the antici- 
pated demand in the next twq years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) r (a) and (b). 
Rapid promotion of ‘Green Revolution* 
depends inter-alia on agricultural develop- 
ment through farm mechanisation. The 
demand for tractors and all types of farm 
machinery has, therefore, increased consi- 
derably. With a view to meeting the over- 
all demand of tractors, it has been decided 
to import 20,000 tractors. Import of tractors 
as gifts from Indian relations living abroad 
has also been allowed. Besides, steps are 
also being taken to increase indigenous pro- 
duction of tractors. 

(c) The tractors imported during the 
last three years were of the order of 40,784. 
The assessment of the demand on scienti- 
fic basis during the remaining period of the 
Fourth Five Year Plan and also the Fifth 
Five Year Plan has been entrusted to tho 
National Council Applied Economic Re- 
search. Their report is awaited. 

Development of Adivasi Regions 

2799,. SHRI M. C. DAGA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount spent; so far, by the 
Government for the uplift and development 
of neglected Adivasi regions in the country, 
giving the amount spent on each item and 
whether a list in this regard will be placed 
on the Table of the House; 

(b) the amount spent so far on Gon- 
guva and Korta tehsils of Udaipur district 
and the improvement made in the lot of the 
adivasis of this region; and 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 52 


(c) if no improvement h*s been made 
is their lot the main problems facing the 
people "of the said Adivati region and 
whether Government’s attention have ever 
been drawn to them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI X. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Plan allocations are made by 
the Department State-wise and not region- 
wise. A statement showing the expenditure 
incurred on the various schemes for the 
welfare of Scheduled Tribes in the country 
opto 1971-72 which is in addition to the 
general schemes is laid on the Table of the 
Sabha. 

(b) and (c). The requisite infor- 
mation has been called for from the State 
Government and will be laid on the Table 
of the Sabha when received. 

Statement 

Name of the Scheme Anticipated ex- 

penditure on 
the welfare of 
Scheduled Tribes 
upto 1971-72. 
(Rs. in crorei) 

Central Sector 


1. 

Post-matric 



scholarship 

1241 

2. 

Girls Hostels 

0.83 

3. 

Pre-examination 



Training 

0 12 

4. 

Tribal Develop- 



ment Blocks 

55 91 

5. 

Co-operation 

5 47 

4. 

Tribal Research 



and Training 

0.78 

7. 

Other Schemes 

13.44 


Total 

88 96 

State Sector 


1 . 

Education 

38.20 

2. 

Economic Develop- 



ment 

42.77 

3. 

Health, Housing 



and Others 

19.35 

s. 

Total 

100.32 


Grand Total : 

289.28 


High Powered Board for development of 
Adviasi areas 

2800. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA: 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased a state : 

(a) whether Government have a pro* 
poial to appoint a high-powered board for 
the all-round development of Adivasi areas; 

(b) whether a final decision has been 
taken in this regard, if so, the composition 
of the Board; and 

(c) when the Board is likely to start 
functioning 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY : (a) to (c). At present there is no 
such proposal to appoint a high powered 
board for the all round development of 
Adivasi areas. 

Subsidy to Small Scale Units for Employing 
Grauduate Engineers and Diploma-holders 

2801. SHRI D P. JADEJA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government arc aware 
that Punjab Government is giving subsidy to 
small scale units for employing graduate 
engineers and diploma-holders; and 

(b) if so, whether Central Government 
have any such scheme with them 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION. 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : (a) Yes, 
Sir, 

(b) The Central Government has decid- 
ed that under the Programme of Appren- 
ticeship Training small and medium indus- 
trial units which agree to employ fresh 
engineering graduates and diploma-holders 
will be assisted on the same lines as the 
Punjab Government Scheme. An engineer- 
ing graduate will be paid a stipend of Rs. 
400/- per month and a diploma- holder Rs. 
250/- per month. The expenditure on the 
stipend? will be shared in equal parts by 



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Written Answers 54 


53* Written Answers 


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units for one year. After the one-year 
period the entire expenditure will be born 
by the industrial units concerned. An 
amount of R$. 50.00 lakhs has been ear- 
marked for the purpose in the current year 
and arrangements are in progress to imple- 
ment the scheme in cooperation with State 
Directorates of Industry. 

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2803. SHRI R.V. BADE : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 


(a) whether the state Co-operation 
Marketing Federation of Maharashtra has 
asked the Central Government for 40 crores 
of rupees for its working capital to take Over 
the monopoly procurement of raw potto n in 
the State; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Ceotral 
Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNA SAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Various Types of imported Fertilizers 
demanded by Public sector 
Fertilizer Manufacturers 

2804 SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the requirements of various types 
of imported fertilizers demanded by the 
public sector fertilizer manufacturers for 
their seeding and marketing programmes; 

(b) whether the promotion work of 
Fertilizer Corporation of India in eastern 
India is threatened because of lack of import 
of ANP from Europe; and 

(c) if so, the steps Government propose 
to take in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANN ASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 
requirements for seeding programme of 
various types of imported fertilisers for the 
year 1972-73 as indicated by the Public 
sector Manufacturers are given belows : — 


Name of the Manufacturer 


Total quantity of Fert, required 


1. Fertiliser & Chemicals 
(Travancore) Ltd. 


NPK 18:18:18 

25,000 

M/T 

24:12:12 

25,000 

*» 

28:28:0 

15,000 

M 

14:28:14 

10,000 

»» 

Urea 

1,75,000 

*9 

ANP 

90.000 

II 

CAN 

70,000 

»» 

ANP, Sul. 

1,60,000 

• • 


2. Fertiliser Corp. of India, Ltd. 


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AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 56 


(b) and (c). Promotion of ANP in tha 
Eastern part of India is to some extent 
handicapped for lack of imported stock of 
the material. Earlier attempts to purchase 
the quantities of imported ANP required 
for the seeding programme of fartiliser Cor- 
poration of India were not Successful, as the 
material was not available in Europe at 
reasonable prices. However, some qnanti- 
ties of ANP are now being purchased from 
Europe as a result of the recent Fertiliser 
purchase Delegations efforts. This is in 
addition to about 10,000 tonnes of ANP 
already imported and allotted to FCi for 
their Seeding Programme. 

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Hostels run by Cristiau Missionaries 

2806. DR. LAXAMINARAYAN 

PANDBYA : Will the Minister of EDU- 
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Hostels in backward 
areas mostly in Keral run by the Cristian 
Missionaries in India; 


(b) are they situated inside the Chur* 
ches premises; and 

(c) whether they art receiving Govern- 
ment grants and if so, the amount thereof f 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWA MY) : (a) to (c). Information is 
being collected from States and Union 
Territories and will be laid on the Table of 
the House as soon as received. 

Security of services to Non-Teaching 
Employees of Various Universities 

2807. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of non-teaching staff 
in the various Universities in India whose 
services were terminatied during the last 
three years; 

(b) the steps Government propose to 
take to provide security of service to those 
employees; and 

(c) . whether Government propose to 
bring forward ’ necessary legislation to 
provide these employees security of services 
under Article 311 of the Constitution ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF S. NURUL HASAN) : (a). Govern- 
ment have no information. 

(b) and (c). The University Grants 
Commission has set up a Committee to 
examine the question of inclusion of non- 
teaching employees of Universities am) 
educational institutions within the purview 


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Written Answers 60 


of Industrial Legislation, the work of the 
Committee is in progress. This question is 
also under consideration of the Ministry of 
Labour. 

Distribution of Food Stuffs at Fair Price 
Shops in Rural and Urban Areas 

2808. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government intends to 
identify the urban and rural areas in the 
country where due to limitations of food 
production locally, permanent arrangements 
for distribution of food stuffs at fair prices 
have to be provided; and 

(b) the other steps contemplated to 
meet their need in several large areas in the 
couutry 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P SH1NDE) : (a) and (b). 
Yes, Sir. The State Governments have 
already been advised to activate the public 
distribution of foodgrains through fair price 
shops, open more fair price shops especially 
in rural and inaccessible areas and increase 
the coverage of the existing ones. The 
concerned States have also been asked to 
undertake a review of the existing system of 
distribution of foodgrains to Adivasis in 
tribal areas and formulate a suitable 
scheme. 

Tamil Nadu cold on Urban Ceiling 
Legislation 

2809. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some State Governments 
especially Tamil Nadu have expressed doubts 
on proposed urban ceiling legislation; and 

(b) if so, the reason therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY QF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING* AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
Mysore, Nagaland, Manipur, Pondichcry 
add Tamilnadu have not yet imtimated 
fkMt r final views. Mysore had imtimated that 
Hitt matter would be considered by the elec- 


ted Government after its formation; their 
views are still awaited. 


Nagaland bad intimated that the fixation 
of a ceiling on urban property is not neces- 
sary and that, however, they will carefully 
watch the development and inform the 
Government of India whenever need arises 
for such action. 

Tamil Nadu has intimated that the 
proposal, being a complex one, would have 
to be considered in all its aspects before a 
legislation is undertaken at State level or 
Central Level. They had also appointed a 
Committee to go into the matter. Their 
fina r views are still awaited. 

Manipur has intimated that the propos- 
ed legislation should not extend to the 
Tribal hill areas. 

Pondicherry has intimated that they 
have no objection to the legislation being 
undertaken but would prefer to await the 
reactions of the Tamilnadu Government 
before they finalise their thinking. 

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Written Answers 62 


| Cost of Production of Wheat 

2811. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : 
Will tho Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state the cost of production per 
quintal of wheat on un-irrigated land and 
the model farms taken into consideration 
bj the Planning Commission for that 
purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : A Compre- 
hensive Scheme for Studying the Cost of 
Cultivation of Principal crops in different 
States has been recently undertaken, which 
will also provide information on cost of 
production of wheat. Some data on cost 
Of production of wheat had also been 
collected in the post for a few selected Dis- 
tricts under the Scheme for Studying the 
Economics of Farm Management. However 
neither the Comprehensive Scheme for 
Studying the Cost of Cultivation of Principal 
crops nor the Scheme of Farm Management 
Studies is oriented to specifically assess the 
cost of production per quintal of wheat on 
un-irrigated land or on model' farms. 

Model Scheme for Adivasis of Chhota 
Nagpur 

2812. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the people of Chhota Nag- 
pur of Bihar are not getting the benefit of 
the mineral wealth available there in 
abundance ; 

(b) if so, whether Governmeut propose 
to draw up a model scheme on socio-eco- 
nomic and technical basis for the develop- 
ment of Adivasis of that place, who are 
economically and socially backward ; and 

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) ; (a) to (c). Information is being 
collected from the State Government and 
will be laid on the Table of the House as 
soon as received. 


Effect on human beings of Foodgraias 
sprayed by Pesticide* 

2813. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : 

SHRI NATBSINGHRAO 

GAEKWAD : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

v 

(a) whether foodgrains of the crops 
sprayed by pesticides have a tendency to 
cause impotency in males who eat such 
grains ; and 

(b) whether Government are aware 
that experiments carried on by scientists in 
Great Britain and USA have revealed tho 
aforesaid phenomenon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such 
information is available with our scientists. 

(b) No, Sir. 

Execution of work under crash scheme 
for rural uneducated unemployed in 
Birbhum, West Bengal 

2814. SHRI GaDADHAR SAHA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of proposals of work 
under 'Crash Scheme* to provide employ- 
ment to the uneducated unemployed in rural 
areas of Birbhum that have so far been 
received from district Authority of Birbhum 
West Bengal, and approved by the Central 
Government ; 

(b) the names and numbers of 'Block 
Office’ which got their schemes approved 
and where work under the approved schemes 
started and the amount of work so far 
done ; 

(c) number of 'unemployed’ so far 
given employment and the amount of money 
so far been spent out of total amount of 
Rs. twelve and a half lakhs sanctioned for 
Birbhum for the current financial year for 
the work under this scheme ; and 

(d) the amount that remain to be spent 
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63 Written Answers 

year ; and the proposals ’ of work , under 
consideration for executiohjiod to be under- 
taken for the rest of thif financial year, 
block- wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (d). The infor- 
mation is being collected from the State 
Government and will be laid on the Table 
of the House as soon as possible. 

Passenger liner cruise from Bombay to 
beaches in Goa and Kerala 

2815. SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether Government have examined 
the possibility of a passenger liner cruise 
from Bombay down the West coast to 
beaches in Goa and Kerala ; and 

(b) if so, the results thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). There is already a passenger 
service operated by Chowgules from Bom- 
bay to Panaji. As regards passenger service 
between Bambay and Keiala, the matter 
was examined in the past but it was not 
found feasible due to expected losses. 

Expenditure for (development of Tribal Areas 

2816. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have sanc- 
tioned any money for the general economic 
development of the Tribar areas ; and 

(b) if so, which are the areas where the 
work has already started and the total 
amount Government is going to spend for 
it ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
5WAMY) : (a) and (b). The Government 
of India have sanctioned 504 Tribal Deve- 


lopment Blocks for all round development 
of trial areas in the country which satisfy 
the following criteria : — 

(i) An areas of 1 50-200 sq. miles 

(ii) A total population of 25,000 

(iii) A tribal concentration of 66-2/3% 

(iv) Viability to function as a normal 
administrative unit. 

Each Tribal Development Block is 
entitled to get Rs. 42 lakhs during the 15 
years period from the Second Five Year 
Plan when they were started. 

The Union Ministry of Agriculture have 
also sahctioned six Special Pilot Projects for 
backward tribal areas in the country. The 
areas covered under the projects are (i) 
Bastar (two projects) in Madhya Pradesh, 
(ii) Srikakulam in Andhra Pradesh, (iii) 
Ganjam and Koraput in Orissa and (iv) 
Singbhum m Bihar. Each project has an 
outlay of Rs. 1.50 crores for the remaining 
period of Fourth Plan. These projects aim 
at coordinated economic development of 
areas that are predominently inhabited by 
the tribal people. 

Conduct Rules for Sugar Factory Workers 

in Andhra Piadesh regarding their Poll, 
tical Activities 

2817. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Managements of Co- 
operative Sugar Factories in Andhra Pradesh 
have been permitted to incorporate into 
their Bylaws a ban on their employees from 
being members of any political parties or 
from canvassing for any candidates in any 
Elections ; and 

(b) the steps proposed to be taken to 
remedy this constitutional violation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) In a 
circular letter addressed by the Director of 
Sugar, Cooperative Department, Govern- 
ment of Andhra- Pradesh, to all cooperative 



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§u0t factories under production in the 
State, the following draft amendment was 
suggested for adoption in their By-laws : — 

"No employee of the factory shall 
canvass or otherwise interfere or use 
his influence in connection with, or 
stand for, or participate in, an election 
to Parliament or State Legislature or 
local authority. He can, however, cast 
his vote as an ordinary voter." 

(b) The constitutional propriety or 
otherwise involved in the aforesaid sugges- 
tion Will be examined. 

Restrictions on sale of Land in big Cities 

2818. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposals for 
freezing trade in urban la id for a specific 
number of years in big metrooolitan cities 
like Bombay, Calcutta, Delhi, Madras, 
Hyderabad and Bangalore in order to curb 
speculative trade in lands through the tool 
of black money ; and 

(b) if not, how the price of urban land 
is proposed to be controlled, for the benefit 
of middle and lower income group people ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. 
CHAT7 OPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 

There is no such proposal with the Govern- 
ment of India but some State Governments 
have passed legislation prohibiting transac- 
tions in urban land for shoit periods so 
that the object behind imposition of ceiling 
on urban property is not defeated. How- 
ever, a scheme for providing assistance to 
the State Governments for large-scale acqui- 
sition and development of land for housing, 
called the ‘Land Acquisition and Develop- 
ment Scheme’ was introduced in 1959. The 
scheme aims at stablising land prices and 
arresting increase in rents by providing 
house-sites to prospective house-builders in 
the lower and middle income groups at 
reasonable cost. The scheme is, at present, 
included in the State Sector and Central 
assistance for its implementation is included 
in the block Central assistance allocated to 


State Governments from year to year by the 
Ministry of Finance. This scheme is also 
financed in some States from the Life Insu- 
rance Corporation loans allocated' by this 
Ministry. The State Governments are free 
to determine the programmes to be under- 
taken under the Scheme and the funds to 
be allocated therefor according to tbeir 
requirements and priorities. 

The Seminar on the Evolution of a 
National Policy on Housing and Urban 
Development, convened .in April, 1972, 
recommended inter alia that all urbanisable 
lands should be socialised with a view to 
check speculative gain in urban lands and 
for mopping up unearned inciements in 
their prices, for the benefit of the commu- 
nity as a whole. The recent Conference of 
State Ministers of Housing, Town Planning 
and U. D. held m July, 1972 has also 
endorsed this recommendation. The exact 
scope of such a policy for socialisation of 
urbanisable land and the ways and means 
to achieve it have yet to be determined. 

Compilation of 25 years’ Bengali Poetry 

2819. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether National Book Trust has 
entrusted Shri Subhas Mukherjee to make 
selection and compilation of 25 years’ 
Bengali poetry, and if so, whether it will be 
translated into 16 Indian languages ; 

(b) the names of the poets whose peoms 
have been selected ; 

(c) whether poems of many eminent 
poets like Sudhindranath, Dutta, Jibana- 
nanda Dijs, Amiya Chakravarty, Samar Sen, 
Buddhadev Bose and othets have been ex- 
cluded and the reasons therefor ; and 

(d) the steps taken by Government to 
make the publication a real representation 
of 25 years creative poems 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : <a). The National Book Trust 
has been entrusted with the publication of 
an Anthology of Indian Poetry Since Inde- 
pendence, the compilation of the Bengali 



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67 Written Answers i 

section of which has beea^bntrusted to Shri 
Subhas Mukherjee. For the present it is 
proposed to publish translation into Hindi 
and English only. 

(b) A list is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library . See No. 
LT— 3453/72], 

(c) Out of the works of the poets men- 
tioned. only the works of Samar Sen does 
not find a place in the anthology. 

(d) Subject to the general restrictions 
in all anthologies , every attempt has been 
made to make the Bengali anthology re* 
presentative of the Bengali literary scene 
since independence by entrusting the com- 
pilation to an eminent Bengali poet and by 
getting the opinion of two eminent Bengali 
critics on his collection. 

Reorganization of Higher Secondary and 
three year degree course in 
West Bengal 

2820. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the proposal for reorganisa- 
tion of Higher Secondary and Three-Years 
Degt ee course in West Bengal. 

(b) whether such charges are being pro- 
posed in consultation with the Education 
Ministry and in co-relation with the struc- 
ture of Higher Secondary School and College 
education in practice in other 
States of the country and in accordance 
with the recommendation of the last Edu- 
cation Commission’s report ; if so, the 
broad outlines thereof ; 

(c) whether meeting of the Fducation 
Ministers of all the States proposed to be 
held to co-ordinate and 1 arznomse struc- 
ture of education ; and 

(d) whether the Education Ministry 
vnquirec|,or will inquire about the reasons 
behind the thirkmg or proposal of West 
Bengal Government for re organisation of 
structure of school and college education ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 


M 

SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) to (d). Government of 
India have not received any proposal foe 
reorganising the Higher Secondary and 
three year degree course in West Bengal. 
It is. however, learnt that Calcutta Univer- 
sity has a proposal under examination for a 
two year intermediate course and two year 
degree (pass) course and three year honours 
course. The attention of the State Govern- 
ment has been drawn to the National Policy 
Resolution of the Government of India 
which recommends a broadly uniform struc- 
ture for the country of a 10-year school 
course followed by a 2-year higher secon- 
dary course and a 3-year degree course. As 
some other States are also considering the 
introduction of 2-year degree courses, the 
meeting of Education Secretaries and 
Directors of Education held in May 1972 
passed a resolution urging State Govern- 
ments to maintain the status quo until the 
matter is examined by the Central Advisory 
Board of Education. The matter is to be 
discussed at the next meeting of the Crntral 
Advisory Board of Education to be held on 
18th September, 1972. 

Effect of delayed Rain on next Crops 

2821. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 

DR. KARNI SINGH : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Government have got 
any report about the prospect of next prin- 
cipal crops in the country; 

(b) whether the scarcity of rain will 
effect cultivation and if so, the extent of 
likely failure of next crops; and 

(c) the steps proposed in advance to 
meet the situation arising out of drought 
and scarcity of rain in different parts of the 
country and other detailes relathing to the 
issue ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
From most of the Statei in the country, 
reports have been received that due to de- 
layed monsoon, deficiency of rains during 
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raigfal!, the sowing transplanting of kharif 
crops have been adverseiy affected in cer- 
tain areas. Rains since the beginning of 
August in most parts of the country have 
proved beneficial to standing crops and 
would also enable re-sowing of certain areas 
with the main crops or inter-mediate crops. 
The overall prospects for kharif season 
would be considerably influenced by weather 
during the remaining part of the season. It 
is too early to give a precise idea of the 
likely failure or shortfall ia the production 
of kharif crops. 


(c) The main steps which are being 
taken to cope with the situation include 
extension of irrigation water supply through 
emergency schemes, supporting measures 
for re-sowing of kharif crops cultivation 
of intermediate crops through supply of 
seeds and other inputs wherever necessary 
and initiating advance action for securing 
substantial steps up in the production of 
forth-coming rabi and summer crops. Minis- 
ters and senior officers have visited several 
states and a number of schemes have been 
agreed upon for immediate implementation 
by the State Governments 7 


Vacation of Building in possession 
of R.S.S. in Banaras Hindu 
University 


2822. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 


(a) whether the building in the posses- 
sion of R.S.S, in the Compus of Banaras 
Hindu University has been vacated; 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor, and 

(c) how long it will take to get the 
premises vacated 7 


THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c) : 
The civil suit filed by the University for 
vacation of the building in possession of 
R.S.S. is ponding in the Court. 


Training of eurptos trained Teachers to 
subjects for which there Is demand 

2823. SHRI BANAMALI PATNAHt : 
DR. LAXMINARAYAN 
PANDFiYA : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARB be pleased lo 
state : 

(a) whether a large number of Gra- 
duate and Post-Graduate trained teachers 
are unemployed because there is no plann- 
ing and co-ordination in the field to assess 
the requirement of trained teachers at all 
levels; 

(b) whether there is a demand for train- 
ed teachers in certain subjects; and 

(c) if so, whether the desirability of 
utilizing the services of surplus trained 
Graduate and Post-Graduate teachers by 
giving them short training in the subjects 
in which they are in demand has been con- 
sidered, and if so, the outcome thereof 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA* 
SWA MY) ; (a) to (c) According to avai- 

lable information the number of trained 
graduate teachers and trained post-graduate 
teachers registered with the employment 
exchanges as on 31.12 71 was 22683 and 
4704 respectively. The number ‘is at no 
time very large because the places available 
in the teachers training institutions are con- 
trolled, depending on the number of vacan- 
cies of trained teachers likely to occur in 
schools. 

Whereas there is a demand for trained 
teachers and since the subjects for which 
such teaefiers are required are known, it is 
not considered necessary to impart any 
short term training. Full courses of study 
are considered essential for properly trained 
teachers . 

Plea to meet Drinking Witer Problem 
In Banal Area of Kutrh 

2824. SHRI VCKARIA : 

SHRI SOM CH \N D SOLANfCl : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
PAMILY PLANNING bo pleased to 
state : 



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72 


(a) whether there it a great problem 
of drinking water in Bahni area in Kutch 
district; 

(b) whether Government are consider- 
ing a plan submitted by Gujarat Govern- 
ment to supply water through pipe lines in 
that area: and 

(c) if so, decision of Central Govern- 
ment and the time by which the plan will 
be implemented ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) and (c). A scheme for providing 
water supply for Banni area at an estimated 
cost of Rs. 79.65 lakhs was recently sent 
by the Government of Gujarat for approval 
under the Aceelerated Programme of Rural 
Water Supply. The scheme was not appro- 
ved for being taken up under the pro- 
gramme as it was not found financially 
viable. 


Buffer Stock of Foodgrains 

2825. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state possition of buffer stock of food- 
grains with the Government at present ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : Excluding 
stocks in the pipeline, the total physical 
stocks of foodgrains with Central and State 
Governments in the beginning of August, 
19 72, were about 8.2 ' million tonnes. 
Taking 2.5 million tonnes as operational 
stocks, the buffer stock was about 5.7 
million tonnes. 

Writ Petition Filed by Employees of 
Indian Council of Agricultural 
Research in Delhi High Court 

2826. SHRI BHARAT SINGH 
CHOWHAN : Will the Minister of 
AGRICULTURE be pleased to state ; 


(a) whether some employees of the 
I.C.A.R. at the Head Quartern filed a Writ 
petition in the Delhi High Court again# 
the Union of India in June. July. 1970; 

(b) whether some Officers and staff 
on Government and Non-Government sides 
of the I.C.A.R. were paid honorarium for 
preparing, the reply of the Government and 
ancillary work connected with the Writ 
petition; 

(c) if so, the names of the various 
Officers and staff who were sanctioned 
honorarium and the amount paid to each 
of them; and 

(d) whether the grant of honorarium 
was permissible under any rules and whether 
any Officer or member of staff in the 
I.C.A.R. was paid honorarium in connec- 
tion with a similar writ petition filed by 
employees of I.A.R.I. in 1966 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a). Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) . Yes, Sir. 

(c) . Honorarium was sanctioned to the 
following officers as indicated against 
each : — 


1. 

Shri B. S. Yadav, 




Under Secretary 

Rs. 

1,000.00 

2. 

Shri Darbari Lai, 




Section Officer 

Rs. 

500.00 

3. 

Shri A. R. Jain, 




Section Officer 

Rs. 

500 00 

4. 

Shri V. Krishnaraurthi. 




Assistant 

Rs. 

450.00 

5. 

Shri Lai Chand, 




Personel Assistant ., 

Rs. 

450.00 

6, 

Shri T. V. Krishna- 




murthy. Personal 




Asstt, 

Rs. 

200.00 


(d). Yes, Sir. No officer or member 
of staff in the I.C.A.R. was paid honorarium 
in connection with a similar Writ petition 
filed by employees of I.A.R.I. in 1966. 



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73 * Witten Answers 

Number of Patients given Psychiatric 
Treatment hi Delhi Hospitals 

2827. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of patients who came 
for treatment in the Department of Psychia- 
try in Pant Hospital, All India Institute of 
Medical Sciences Hospital, New Delhi and 


Mental Hospital, Sh&hdara during the last 
two years; 

(b) the number of patients . who got 
cured; and 

1 (c) the number of patients who are 
expected to be cured in 1972 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI A, K. KISKU) : 


Statement 


G. B t Pant Hospital , All India Instt. of Mental Hospital 
New Delhi Medical Sciences Hosp, S ahadra 


(a) the number of patients 

1970 

9653 

7204 

15760 

who came for treatment in 



(in 1970-71) 


Department of Psychiatry : 






1971 

10338 

6182 

25127 




(in 1971-72) 


(b) the number of patients 

1970 

466 | 


538 


who got cured; and 


1 @ 

( * ) 




197J 

465 j 


557 


(c) the number of patients 


425 

Similar results are 

540 

are expected to be cured in 



expected. 


1972 ? 






* The Psychiatric treatment is a long term method of cure. 
Complete cure initially is difficult to state and determine. 
During 1970-71 & 1971-72 approximately about 30% of the 
patients who attended OPA or were admitted as inpatients, 
became completely symptom free. Another 50% of the rest 
improved considerably so as to make a suitable social adjust- 
ment. It is expected that of the rest about 50% again become 
manageable in community, 

@ No. discharged. 


Admission in M.B-A. courses, Delhi 
University 

2828. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WhLFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) tbe criteria adopted for admission 
in the Master of Business Administration 
course in Delhi University in 1970 and 1971; 

(b) whether persons from News Agen- 
cies are not given any reservation; and 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor 7 

' THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION* 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 


(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) There 
are two M B.A. Cpurses in the Department 
of Business Management and Industrial 
Management namely, (i; M.B.A, (full-time) 
for the fresh graduates and (ii) M.B A. 
(Pait-time) for the working executives. The 
criteria prescribed by the University of 
Delhi for admission to each of these courses 
is given in the enclosed statement. 

(b) and (c) : No, Sir. Part-time Courses 
are open to all eligible candidates both 
from private and public sectors and equal 
opportunities are offered to them to com- 
pete for the course. 


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Statement 

Criteria for admission far the acade- 
mic years 7970-77 aikd 2911-72 : 

(/) M.B.A- (Full-Time) r 

Applications for admission to the First 
Year MBA Course will be received from 
candidates who have passed Bachelor's 
Degree in Arts, Science, Social Sciences, 
Commerce and Technology and secured at 
least fifty percent marks in aggregate in the 
first Degree Examination. Preference will 
be given to those coming from disciplines 
like Psychology, Sociology , Economics, 
Commerce, Engineering and Mathematics. 
Relaxation from the minimum marks requit- 
ed in the first degree examination may be 
made for a holder of post-graduate Degree, 
Diploma or Certificate in any of the afore- 
said disciplines or in Law. Statistics, Opera- 
tion Research, Public Administration, Post- 
Graduate Certificate Course in Office 
Supervision for Women of the Department 
of Business Management and Industrial 
Administration, University of Delhi, provi- 
ded he or she has secured at least sixty 
percent of marks in aggregate in such an 
examination. 

2. Admission to M.B.A. Course will 
be strictly in order of merit determined on 
the following criteria : 

(a) Candidate's previous academic 
record; 

(b) Candidate’s score in admission 
tests, group discussion conducted 
by the Department ; 

(c) Candidate’s score at the interview 
conducted by the* Department. 

(//) M.B.A. ( Part-Time ) : 

1. Every candidate seeking admission 
to M.B.A. (Partrtune) Course shall have 
passed a Bachelor's Degree Examination in 
Arts, Law, Commerce, Science, Engineering 
or Technology of the University of Delhi 
or any other University recognised as equi- 
valent thereto with at least 45 percent of 
ttgileg Ibr, aggregate and possess the other 
^nullifications mentioned hereunder : — 


He/She should hav$ at least two years 
experience at the junior executive level in 
a commercial or industrial establishment 
and should have acquired background of 
commercial operations. He/She should 
also be sponsored by his/her employer. 

NOTE : Any Government or Semi-Govern 
ment organisation or public uti- 
lity concern, having functions of 
commercial nature can also spon- 
sor candidates provided the can- 
didates sponsored have atleast two 
years' experience at the junior 
executive level. 

Selection of candidates for admission to 
Jst year M.B.A. (Part-Time) Course is made 
on the basis of their performance in the 
academic achievement, sponsorship about 
the can didates and the final interview. 

Reservation of seats for States in 
evening law centre, Delhi 
University Law College 

2829. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is reservation of seats 
for admission for States in the Evening 
Law Centre (Mandir Marg), Delhi Univer- 
sity Law College; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b): 
No, Sir. Admissions are made on the 
basis of merit in accordance with the pro- 
cedures prescribed by the University. 


Correspondence Course In LL*B. in 
Delhi University 

2830. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
start correspondence course for LL.B. in 
Delhi University and other Central Uni* 

versities; and 



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Written Answers 78 


(ti^ if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No, 

Sir. It is for the Universities to institute 
such courses of study as they deem necessary 
within the framework of their Acts and 
Statutes. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Request from Punjab Government for 
Assistance for constructing Strategic 
Roads 

2831. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of SHIPP- 
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Punjab Government has 
asked for Central assistance for construct- 
ing strategic roads in the State; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Centre in 
this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). Strategic Roads 

works, assessed to cost about Rs. 23 crores, 
with hundred per cent grants-in-aid from 
Central Government, are alrea dy under 
various stages of processing and construction. 
No fresh demand has been received. 


Assistance for Wholesale Markets in 
Bihar State 

2832. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether Bihar Government is consi- 
dering to develop wholesale markets in the 
State; and 

(b) if so, the financial assistance asked 
for from the Centre and the reaction of the 
Centre in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 


ANNASAHEB P, SHINDE) (a) and (b) : 
The Bihar Government formulated and sent 
to the < ovcrnment of India a project for 
the development of 50 selected regulated 
markets in the State for assistance from 
the IDA (International Development Asso- 
ciation, an affiliate of the World Bank). At 
the instance of the GOl the Project was 
appraised by the IDA and sanctioned for 
an assistance of the order of US $14 million 
(Rs. 10.16 crores). The Project which is 
now under implementation includes some 
financial assistance from Government of 
India also. 

Under a Central Sector scheme of the 
Ministry of Agriculture for the development 
of regulated markets financial assistance 
may be availableto markets Committee, of a 
fdw selected regulated markets in Bihar, 
among other spates, to enable them to draw 
institutional finance for the development 'of 
the markets. 


National Policy on adult Education 

2833. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : 

SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government are considering 
to evolve a national policy on adult educa- 
tion; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 


THE DEPUTY • MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). The policy to be 

adopted in regard to Adult Education is 
already included in the M National Policy on 
Education”. However, Government are 
considering the question of making it more 
comprehensive particularly to take into 
account the needs of the youth in the age- 
group 15-25. This will be considered by 
the Central Advisory Board of Education at 
its next meeting. 



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Progress la opening of fgo DMS Milk 
Booths in D IZ- Aren of New Delhi 

2834 SHUT SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : 

SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Uoatarred question No. 707 on 20th March, 
1972 and state : 

(a) the progress made in opening two 
more milk booths of Delhi Milk Scheme in 
Sector 4 D’ of D I.Z. Area in New Delhi; 
and 

(b) the time by which they will be 
opened 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SING) : (a) The approval of New 
Delhi Municipal Committee is awaited for 
erection of milk booths at the two sites 
selected in Sector ‘D* D.I Z. area. After 
this approval is received, these sites will be 
included in the sites on which new booths 
are to be erected by the D.M.S. in the next 
phase of their expansion programme, as and 
when sanctioned by Govt. 

(b) A definite date cannot be indicated 
at this stage. 

Help to solve Housing Problem in States 

2835. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India has 
any proposal under consideration to help 
the States in solving their Housing Problems; 
and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING : (PROF. 
D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA ; (a) and (b). 
Starting from 1952, the Government of 
Indict have introduced a number of social 
fkmaing schemes to help the State Govern- 


ments in ameliorating the housing conditions 
of the people in lower income brackets. Of 
these, the following schemes, at present, 
fall in the State Sector : — 

1. Integrated Subsidised Housing 
Scheme for Industrial Workers and 
Economically Weaker Sections of 
the Community (1952) 

2. Low Income Group Housing 
Scheme. (1954) 

3. Slum Clearance/Improvemeat 
Scheme. (1956) 

4. Village Housing Projects Scheme. 
(1957) 

5. Middle Income Group Housing 
Scheme. (1959) 

6. Rental Housing Scheme for State * 
Government Employees. (1959) 

7. Land Acquisition and Development 
Scheme. (1959) 

Central assistance for these schemes is 
included in the block Central assistance 
being given by Central Government to the 
State Governments for all State Sector 
Schemes. The State Governments are free 
to determine the programmes to be executed 
under various State Sector Schemes and . the 
funds are allocated therefor according to 
their own requirements and priorities. 

2. In addition, the following schemes 
are being implemented in the Central 
Sccto m 

(i) Subsidised Housing Scheme for 
Plantation Workers. 

(ii) Scheme for Provision of House- 
sites to Landless Workers in 
Rural Areas. 

The Scheme listed at (i) above was 
introduced m 1956. It was being implemen- 
ted as a State Sector Scheme till it was 
transferred to the Central Sector from April 
1970. The other scheme at (ii) above has 
been lakes up for implementation only 
from the beginning of the current financial 
year. A provision of Ri. 5 crons has been 
made for implementation of this Scheme 



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during the current year whereas another 
slim of R s. 75 .00 lakhs has been provided 
for implementation of the first Scheme. 

Salient features of these Schemes are 
available in the Parlimentary Library. 

3. Apart from these Schemes, a Central 
Government undertaking, called the "Hous- 
ing and Urban Development Corporation,” 
has recently been established with an equity 
capital of Rs 10 crores. The Corporation 
is expected to build up a sizeable revolving 
fund for providing financial assistance to 
the State Governments and the State Hous- 
ing Boards for accelerating implementation 
of viable housing programmes. 

4. There is also a scheme for 100% 
grant for improvement to slums in some of 
the larger cities, in respect of slums which 
cannot be rebuilt for a number of years to 
come (10 years, proposed to be reduced to 
5 years). A sum of Rs. 15 crores is pro- 
posed to be spent under this scheme during 
the current year. 

Prices and Performance of a new Tractor 
with German Collaboration 

2836. SHR1 C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

* (a) whether a new tractor DWVTZ 40 
H.P. Model D 40006 with the collaboration 
of Germany has come in the market ; and 

(b) if so, particulars regarding its price 
and performances ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) 500 

numbers of Deutz Model 4006 tractor have 
been imported recently from West Germany 
for assembly by the Indian collaborators 
M/s Kirloskar Tractors Ltd. 

(b) A selling price of Rs. 41,717/- ex- 
factory of this tractor has been approved by 
the Government of India* The tractor has 
been tested at the Tractor Training and 
Testing Station, Budoi. Its performance 
in the field would be known after it has 
worked in the field for some time. 


Request from Mysore to nationalise 
Sugar Industry 

2837 SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the State of Mysore has 
approached the Central Government for 
nationalising the Sugar Industry in the 
country ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : la) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Selection Committee Member appointed 
as Professor in 1. 1* T. Delhi 

2838. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ- 
PAYEE : 

SHRI JAGANNATH RAO 
JOSH I : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION, 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the Selection Committee of 
Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi chose 
one of its members for the appointment of 
the Professor of Curriculum Development 
Cell in the Civil Engineering Department of 
the Institute ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN): (a) and tb). 
No*, Sir. The correct position is that the 
post of Professor, Curriculum Development 
was advertised and a Selection Committee 
constituted according to Statutes. The 
Selection Committee after interviewing the 
applicants found that none was suitable for 
the post. It, therefore, recommended that 
since this position required a person of 
experience and leadership qualities, one of 
the existing professors in the Civil Engi- 
neering Department should be assigned to 
Curriculum Development work and that 
the resulting vacancy should be filled from 



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93 Written Atuwtri 

among the Assistant Professor of the 
Department. The Board of Governors of 
the Institute accepted the first part of the 
recommendation but decided that the 
resultant vacancy should be filled through 
normal recruitment procedures. 

Environment Scheme for Eleven cities 
having population of eight lakhs 

2839. sHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether an environment scheme has 
been taken up in 11 cities having population 
of eight lakhs ; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the 
scheme, names of the cities and total 
amount that the scheme is expected to 
cost ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) This scheme provides for cent per 
cent grants to the State Governments for 
carrying out environmental improvements 
in slums in eleven cities which have a po- 
pulation of not less than 8 lakhs each The 
amount allocated for the purpose during 
the year 1972-73 is Rs. 15 crores and it has 
been agreed that projects costing upto 
Rs. 20 crores could be sanctioned in respect 
of these cities during this year. The names 
of the cities and the amounts allocated are 

as under : — 

■ JT 

SI. Name of Amount allocated 
No. the City for 1972-73 

(Rs. »n crores) 

1. Calcutta Metro- 
politan District 3.5 

2. Greater Bombay 2.5 

3. Delbi Urban 

Ajgfomeratjon 2.5 

4. Madras 


, 1972 


5. 

Hyderabad Urban 
Agglomeration 

1.5 

6 . 

Ahmedabad Urban 
Agglomeration 

1.5 

7. 

Bangalore Urban 
Agglomeration 

1.5 

8. 

Kanpur 

1.5 

9. 

Poona Urban 
Agglomeration 

1.0 

10 . 

Nagpur 

1.0 

11. 

Lucknow Urban 
Agglomeratioa 

1.0 


Total : 

200 


The assistance is available for environ- 
mental improvement to existing slums 
normally consisting of water supply, sewers, 
storm water drains, community baths and 
community latrines, widening and paving 
of existing lanes and street Iightmg. 

Deaths due to nuif-nutrition in Mjlda 

2840. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMTLY PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether many mal-nutrition deaths 
have been reported from Malda in West 
Bengal ; and 

(b) if so, the steps proposed to prevent 
such recurrence ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and 
(b). The information is being collected and 
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. 


Movement of Foodgrains by Road to 
Assam 

2841. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : * 

(a) whether some contracts have been 
given by the Food Corporation of India to 
yome of the TfWport Companies for the 


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movement of foodgrains by road 1 1 Assam 
despite availability of railway wagons ; 

(b) if so, the reasons for the same : 
and 

(c) whether this has been objected to 
by the Employees' Association of Food Cor- 
poration of India 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
In 1971, during the monsoon season and 
almost up to the end of October, the rail, 
river and road communications in the 
Eastern Region >ere seriously interrupted 
by floods. Consequently, the movement of 
foodgrains from sectors served by the broad 
gauge and the metre gauge railways to 
North Bengal, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, 
Nagaland, Manipur, was seriously affected. 
Subsequently, emergency operations com- 
menced in the Eastern Region. In the 
circumstances, it was considered essential to 
immediately build up three months* stock 
of foodgrains in Assam and other States in 
the North Eastern Region. It was not 
possible to do so by using rail transport 
alone. The Railways vere simultaneously 
engaged in other urgent operational move- 
ments in the same sector. Therefore, the 
movement of foodgrains by rail to Assam 
bad to be supplemented by road up to 
1.1. 1972. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Sapply of pulses by F. C. I. to Army 

while In operation in Bangladesh 
and Bangladesh Refugees 

2842. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether any enquiry has been ins- 
tituted to elicit truth about the supply of 
sub-standard dal (pulses) by Food Corpo- 
ration of India to army while in operation 
m Bangladesh ; 

(b) whether same quality of pulses were 
supplied to the Bangladesh refugees ; 

(c) whether procedure laid down in 
tender enquiry for inspection of this stocks 
by the Food Corporation of Indn staff 
before despatches were followed ; and 


(d) if not, the reasons for thn came 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such 
complaint has been received and hence the 
question of institution of any enquiry does 
not arise. 

(bj The supply of pulses to Bangla 
Desh refugees was made by the Food Cor- 
poration of India in accordance with Fair 
Average Quality specifications through the 
State Governments and .the Department of 
Rehabilitation of the Government of India. 

(c) Yes Sir. 

(d) Does not arise. 

Evening Classes in Nehru Memorial 

Homoeopathic Medical College, 

New Delhi 

284 3. SHRI S. M BANERJEE: 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Evening Classes in Nehru 
Memorial Homoeopathic Medical College, 
Defence Colony, New Delhi have been 
stopped from this year; 

(b) if so, the reason therefor; 

(c) whether many Central Government 
employees with requisite qualification for 
admission into that College, will be put to a 
greate; disadvantage with the decision of the 
authorities to close down Evening Classes; 
and 

(d) if so, whether Government will 
consider opining of Evening Classes Colleges 
in Delhi for affording the Central Govern- 
ment employees with this facility in view of 
the shortages of doctors in Delhi 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA': (a) Yes, S : r. 

(b) The Education Advisory Committee 
of the Board of Management of the Nehru 
Memorial Hpmoeopaihic Medical College 



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decided to stop the evffting classes, as they 
found that the students attending these 
classes could not spare more than 3 hours 
daily for 5 days a week and hardly any 
time on Saturdays, Sundays and holidays 
and hence could not pursue their studies 
effectively. 

(c) As the classes were stopped due to 
poor response, the question of putting any 
body to disadvantage does not arise. No 
applications from Central Government em- 
ployees were received by the authorities 
this year. 

(d) There is no shortage of qualified 
homoeopathic doctors in Delhi. 

Collection of Statistics regarding 
Rural Housing 

2844. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether up-to-date statistics with 
regard to the needs of rural housing acco. 
mmodation in (lie country are not availa- 
ble with Government; 

(b) if so, whether this data is being 
collected in order to formulate plans for 
providing the required rural housing acco- 
mmodation; and 

(c) the progress so far made in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No Sir; 
such statistics relating io each rural area 
are not available with Government. 

(b) and (c). Some data on housing shor- 
tage have been collected during the 1971- 
Census. These data have yet to be tabu- 
lated by the Registrar General. 

Integration of Scheduled Castes and 
Tribes iu Mainstream of Indian 
Life 

2845. SHRI B. V. NA1K : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state ; 


(a) the various measures taken to inte- 
grate the Scheduled Cashes and Tribes in 
the mainstream of the Indian life; and 

(b) Government's assessment about 
succees in regard to these measures ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b) Special provisions 
have been made in the Constitution of India 
to safeguard and promote the interests of 
the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes 
in different spheres of life. Special men- 
tion has been made in Article 46 of the 
Constitution that the State shall promote 
with special care ihe educational and econo- 
mic interests of the weaker sections of the 
people, and in particular, of the Scheduled 
Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, and shall 
protect them from social injustice and all 
forms of exploitation. 

In pursuance of the above policy special 
provisions were made in the Five Year Plans 
During the First 18 years of Planning, a 
sum of about Rs. 275 crores was spent on 
the schemes for the welfare of Backward 
Classes. During the Fourth Plan period, 
Ri 142 crores has been allocated. For 
the educational and economical develop- 
ment of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes, schemes like tribal development 
blocks, post-matric scholarships, pre-metric 
scholarships, and housing facilities etc. are 
being implemented under the Backward 
Classes Sector. The programme is supple- 
mental to the programme under the Gene- 
ral Sector. In addition the State Govern- 
ments are also spending considerable sums 
on the welfare of Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes from their non-Plan funds. 

In addition to the above programme, 
Untouchability Act is being enforced more 
vigorously. Inter-caste marriages are also 
encouraged. More hostel accommodation 
is being provided in the general hostels for 
Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe stu- 
dents. Candidates with brilliant academic 
qualifications are being offered scholarships 
for study abroad. Adequate steps have 
taken to reserve certain percentage of posts 
and seats both in Government and private 
institutions for Scheduled Castes and Sche- 
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alsoJto got the benefits from the general 
programmes also. Different State Govern- 
ments have taken up the programme of dis- 
tributing the land both for agriculture and 
housing to people belonging to Scheduled 
Castes and Scheduled Tribes. 

These measures have succeeded to great 
extent in bringing Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes in the mainstream of the 
Indian life. 

Constitutional benefits to various 

Communities of Scheduled Castes 
and Tribes 

2846. SHRI B. V. NAIIC ; Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the constitutional benefits 
flowing to the Scheduled Castes and Tribes 
are equitably distributed among the various 
caUes and communities comprising these 
Scheduled Castes and Tribes; and 

(b) if so, the communal composition of 
the elected representatives belonging to the 
the various Schehulcd Castes and Tribes in 
Parliament and State Legislatures, caste by 
caste, vis-a-vis their population ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI £. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) (a) : Even among the Sche- 
duled Castes Sc Scheduled Tribes, there are 
poor and neglected sections. The benefits 
flowing to the Castes Sc Communities comp- 
rising Scheduled Castes St Scheduled Tribes 
cannot be said to be even. 

(b) : Eligibility for contesting elections 
to the Lok Sabha Sc Vidhan Sabhas is not 
based on communal considerations. Seats 
am reserved in the Lok Sabha and State 
Legislatures for the Scheduled Castes Sc 
Scheduled Tribes on the basis of their being 
included in the list of Scheduled Caste Sc 
Scheduled Tribe. They are eligible to con- 
test elections on account of being so 
declared. 

financial Assistance to Schools and 
Colleges 

2847. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state ; 


(a) whether Central financial assistance 
to different educational institutions like 
Schools and Colleges, by Government, cons- 
titutes a major portion of the revenue ex- 
penses of these institutions; 

(b) what steps Government take to en- 
sure the proper utilisations of this financial 
assistance; 

(c) whether the Government nominees 
on the Managing Bodies of these educatio- 
nal institutions amount to any encroach- 
ment on the educational autonomy of these 
institutions; 

(d) how far this autonomy principle is 
working compatibly wit h the clean manage- 
ment of these educational institutions; and 

(•) whether Government contemplate 
nominating their Directors at least in edu- 
cational institutions with bad records of 
management ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Central * financial assis- 

tance constitutes a major portion of revenue 
expen es of a few educational institutions 
like Schools and Colleges. 

(b) Annual audited accounts and annual 
reports are obtained and scrutinised. Ins- 
pections/reviews are carried out where 
necessary. 

(c) It does not amount to an encroach- 
ment on the educational autonomy of the 
institutions. 

(d) The autonomy principle is working 
compatibly with clean management of 
educational Institutions. 

• e 

(e) The question will be considered on 
merits as and when an occasion arises. 

Academic Qualifications for Members of 
Managing Bodies of Central Aided 
Schools and Colleges 

1848. SHRI B.V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state > 

(a) whether any basic minimum acade- 
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being elected to the managing bodies of the 
privately run Centrally-aided Schools and 
Colleges; and 

(b) if so, what are they, and if not the 
reasons therefor 7 

* 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
No, Sir. It is for the State Governments/ 
Universities/State Boards of Education/ 
Institutions to prescribe such qualifications. 

Nationalisation of Government aided Schools 
in Delhi 

2849. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether in Delhi many private 
schools are running with Government aid 
amounting to more than 90 per cent of their 
expenses and their management is still in 
the hands of private people/ bodies/ trusts/ 
societies; 

(b) if so, whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Government for 
nationalizing such Institutions; and 

ic) if so, by what time these are going 
to be nationalized 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) to (c). The Delhi Administration is 
giving recurring maintenance grant to the 
extent of 93% of the approved expenditure 
to 177 aided schools in the Union Territory 
of Delhi All the aided schools are gover- 
ned by the Delhi Fducation Code, 1965. 
According to the Delhi Education Code, the 
approved expenditure for maintenance 
recurring grant shall comprise (i) salaries 
of the staff appointed wi f h the approval of 
the Department to the extent of the number 
of posts which have been sanctioned and 
approved by the Department of grant-in-aid 
purposes in accordance with the post-fixa- 
tion rules and (ii) C. P. Fund contribution 
on this same staff. When complaints have 
been received by the Delhi Administration 
against the management of such schools. 


the Delhi Administration have suspended 
the Managements of these schools on 
account of faulty working and partly on 
account of their financial instability in 
accordance with Article 90(A) of the Delhi 
Education Code. Under the provisions of 
the existing Delhi Education Code whenever 
the management committee of an aided 
school is found not functioning smoothly 
and the school is also not financially viable, 
the Administration could suspend in the 
public interest the management of the 
school after giving a reasonable opportunity 
of showing cause to the managing commi- 
ttee and appoint an officer of the Education 
Department to be an Administrator to dis- 
charge all the duties and the responsibilities 
of the Manager or the Managing Committee. 
There is no provision under the present 
Delhi Education Code to take over default- 
ing schools is permanently. 


Complaints against Houses constructed in 
Sector ‘B* of D1Z Area, New Delhi 

2850. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarred Question No. 784 on the 20th 
March, 1972 and state : 

(a) the number and serial number of 
quarters where the complaints against irre- 
gular slopes in bath rooms and defects in 
polishing, separately were attended to; 

(b) whether it has been brought to his 
notice that complaints registered in tho 
Enquiry office at 5, Haig Square are not 
attended even for months together; 

(c) the effective steps proposed to be 
taken in this regard and ensure that all the 
complaints registered in the satisfaction of 
the occupants; and 

(d) whether it is proposed to institute 
an inquiry as to why there are so many 
complaints in these newly constructed quar- 
ters ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING, AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKER 
D1KSHIT) ; 



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i (a) Complaints reporting irregular 
slopes: 

Quarter Nos. 583, <621 and 698 

Complaints regarding polishing of floors . 

Quarter Nos, 709, 720, 721 and 757. 

The above list does not include some 
quarters, where such defects had been repor- 
ted directly to the contractor, who was 
responsible for rectifying these defects during 
the guarantee period. 

(b) Most of the complaints lodged are 
attended to within a period of 2 to 3 days. 
However, in some cases, it was not possible 
to attend to complaints expeditiously for 
want of stores, etc. 

(c) The Enquiry Offices have instruc- 

tions to attend to all complaints as early as 
possible. Steps have been taken to stock 
the Enquiry Office with the stores required 
for normal maintenance. , 

(d) The number of complaints received 
from the occupants is not considered to be 
unduly large and therefore the questions of 
instituting an inquiry does not arise. 

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Mi4. SHRI FATBSINGHRA.O 
GAEKWA0 : Will the Minister of SHIPP- 
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to 

ft*te : 


(a) the total number of buses at present 
in the Workshop of Delhi Transport Corpo- 
ration under repairs and average life of a 
bus in the Delhi Transport Corporation; 

(b) the average mileage covered by a 
Delhi Transport Corporation bus daily along 
with the time taken; and 

(c) the average cost of repairs per bus 
during a year separately, for the first 
second, third and so on year of its acquisi- 
tion ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) Ninety-eight buses of 

the Delhi Transport Corporation were held 
up for lepairs at its Central Workshop and 
Depots as on 16-8-1972. The average life 
of a bus in this Corporation has so far been 
twelve years. 

(b) The average daily mileage covered 
by a bus of the Corporation is 178 Kilo 
meters for an operational period of 13-1/2 
hours, on an average per day. 

(c) The average annual cost of main- 
tenance of a bus in the Delhi Transport 
Corporation, during the first three years of 
its life, is Rs. 13,621/-. 

Admission to Pre- Medical Courses in Delhi 
University 

2855. SHRI FATES1NGHRAO 
GAEKWAD : Will the Minister of 
EDUCATION & SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether no student with less than 
68 per cent marks in School-Leaving Exami- 
nation has been admitted to the per- Medical 
course in the University of Delhi this year; 
and 

(b) if so, the total number of First 
Divisioners who could not get admission to 
the pre-Medical course in Delhi University 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HaSAN): (a) and (b). 
According to the information furnished by 





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SRAVANA 30, 1394 (SAKA Written Answers 93 


the itoiversity of Delhi there are 486 candi- 
dates obtaining 67% and below marks but 
above 60% marks who could not be 
admitted to the Pre-Medical Course. 

Admission in Medical College of Delhi 

2856. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI ; 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether only 350 of the 500 
eligible students in Delhi have been admitted 
to the Medical Colleges this year; 

(b) whether the parents of the students 
who were denied admission have submitted 
a memorandum to the Government in this 
connection; and 

(c) if so, the action taken thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. 
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : 

(a) to (c). More than 475 of the eligible 
students of Delhi have been admitted to the 
medical colleges this year. This includes 
50 students admitted to Meerut Medical 
College. Some more of the eligible students 
of Delhi have secured admission in medical 
colleges outside Delhi on the basis of open 
competition. Their exact number is not 
yet known. 

2. Several Memoranda were received 
by the Government from Delhi 
Parents Association on behalt of 
the students who had passed the 
Pre-Medical Examination of Delhi 
University in the First Division. 
Factual position was explained to 
the representatives of the students 
both through interview and through 
official communication. A Press 
statement was also issued by 
Government explaining the posi- 
tion to the public and all concer- 
ned. The Health Minister also 
• addressed a Press Conferenee in 
this connection. The Memoranda 
had demanded, among other things 
increase of seats in the Maulana 
Azad Medical College, Lady 
Hardinge ^ Medical College, 


University Medical College 
and All India Institute of Medical 
Sciences, New Delhi, exclusively 
for Delhi University Pre-Medical 
First Divisioners besides arranging 
seats for them in medical colleges 
in the neighbouring States, and at 
the Post-graduate Institute of 
Medical Education and Research, 
Chandigarh. They also demanded 
the setting up of another medical 
college around Delhi for these 
students this year. 

3. All possible avenues were explored 
for facilitating the admission of as 
many of the eligible students of 
Delhi as possible in medical 
colleges. It was, however, not 
found desirable or feasible to in- 
crease seats at any of the medical 
institutions in Delhi without 
diluting the standard of medical 
education. 40 seats were increased 
at Maulana Azad Medical College 
and 30 at Lady Hardinge College 
for Delhi students as recently as 
in 1970. The University Medical 
College could admit 100 students 
this year according to its rated 
annual capacity without affecting 
standards. Demand of the par- 
ents and students to increase this 
to 125 seats could not be agreed 
to without compromising the 
quality of medical education 
which is of a complex technical 
character as opposed to general 
education in a college or a univer- 
sity. Moreover, the demand in 
the memoranda to increase seats 
exclusively for Delhi students at 
the AH India Institute of Medical 
Sciences, New Delhi and at the 
, Post-graduate Institute of Medical 
Education and Research, Chandi- 
garh also could not be accepted in 
view of the fact that these are 
institutes of national importance, 
with an all-India character, being 
financed entirely by funds of the 
Government of India and reserva- 
tion of seats their exclusively for 
students of a particular university 
would run counter to the letter and 
spirit of the Acts of Parliament 
‘constituting them. Moreover, 
these are Institutes meant prima- 



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Written Answers 100 


rily for reseafttb and postgradute 
teaching. Anj digression of their 
attention to the under-graduate 
aspect of medical education would 
defeat their baaic objective. 

4. As demanded jn the Memoranda, 
possibilites of arranging ' seats for 
eligible students of Delhi in medi- 
cal colleges in the neighbouring 
States were explored. Besides 
arranging 50 seats for them at 
Meerut medical college on the 
basis of a bilateral arrangement 
between the Government of India 
and the Government of Uttar 
Pradesh, these efforts generally did 
not yield and further results. 

5. To the suggestion of the parents 
and the students that another medi- 
cal college be opened around Delhi 
this year, they have been informed 
that it is not possible to open yet 
another medical college in or 
around Delhi because its seat, 
population ratio is 1 16,500 which 
is nearly three times more advan- 
tageous than the national ratio of 
1: 45,000. Moreover, one medical 
college was opened in Delhi only 
last year even though it was not 
originally ear-marked for this 
Union Territory in the Fonrth 
Plan distribution of medical 
colleges. 

6. At present there are 292 seats 
exclusively reserved for Delhi 
University students at the Medical 
Colleges in Delhi and at Meerut. 
Besides there are 188 other seats 
at the four medical institutions in 
Delhi which are filled up either by 
open cempetitioji or by candidates 
of Scheduled Castes/ Tribes. Delhi 
students arc entitled to complete 
for these seals and try their chance. 
Moreover, they can also seek ad- 
mission to some medical colleges 
outside Delhi where some seats are 
filled on the basis or open competi- 
tion, Delhi is thus already more than, 
well-served in the matter of under- 
graduate medical educational 
facilities. 

I, The number of admissions to the 
pre-medical course of Delhi Univer- 


sity has been Increasing steadily 
during the last three year. Corre- 
spondingly the number of first 
divisioners has risen from 340 in 
1970 to 46 5 in 1971 to 580 in 1972, 
/. e. an annua] increase of 125 and 
115 duiing the two sessions. At 
this rate, a medical college will 
have to be opened in Delhi every 
year to absorb the additional first 
divisioners. Obviously, that is 
neither possible nor desirable in 
the broader national interest. 

Central Assistance for Drought conditions 
in Bihar 

2857. SHRI RAM SHEKHAk 
PRASAD SINGH : Will the Minister t f 
AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Centre has decided to help 
the drought-affected State of Bibar ; 

(b) if so, what is the total demand 
made by them ; and 

(c) how much Centre is willing to 
give ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) to (c) At 
the request of the State Government, a 
Central team visited Bihar recently to assess 
the drought situation and to recommend 
ceilings of expenditure on drought relief 
measures for the purpose of central finan- 
cial assistance. The total estimated require- 
ments of the State Government are 
Rs. 38 86 crorcs. The team’s recommenda- 
tions are expected shortly, and central 
financial assistance will be given in the 
light of the recommendations. 

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Llgislation conferring ownership rights 

on farmers fin possession of house sites 

2864. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

SHRl M. C. DAGA : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to bring forward a legislation conferring 
ownership rights on the farmers already in 
possession of house sites ; and 

(b) if so, the outcome in this regard 
and the names of the States which have 
already decided to do so ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) and (b). 
According to the Scheme for Provision of 
House-sites to Landless Workers in Rural 
Areas, the State Governments and Adminis- 
trations of Union Territories are expected 
to take urgent action to enact suitable 
legislation (where this has not already been 
done) conferring home-stead rights on land- 
less workers in rural areas in respect of 
sites on which their houses/huts stand at 
present. According to the information 
available with the Ministry of Works and 
Housing, the States of Bihar, Gujarat, 
Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Maha- 
rashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Punjab, Tamil 
Nadu, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal have 
already taken necessary legislative measures 
in this regard in one form or the other. The 
Government of Andhra Pradesh have also 
decided to under a ke necessary legislation 
for the purpose. 

Setting up of a Road Board 

2865. SHRI G, Y. KRISHNAN : 
SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 


(a) whether it is a fact that the demand 
for a Road Board on the lines of Railway 
Board with an independent Budget of its 
own was revived in National Conference of 
Ministers on 9th July, 1972 ; and 

(b) If so, the reaction of Government 
thereof. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) and (b) The Members 
are presumably referring to the meeting of 
the Council of Indian Roads Congress held 
at Nainital on the 9th July, 1972, where the 
need for the setting up of a Road Board at 
the Centre was emphasised by its President. 
The proposal is under consideration. 

Universities having not constituted courts 
and academic councils 

2866. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR. Will the Minister of 
EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there are some Universities 
which have not constituted their Courts and 
Academic Councils so far ; 

(b) if so, their number and names ; and 

(c) whether the U. G C. would not 
persuade them to constitute their bodies at 
an early date ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
Information is available in respect of 83 
out of 87 Universities. According to this 
information all Universities except Agri- 
cultural Universities and M. S. University 
of Baroda has Courts or Senates and 
Academic Councils. The M. S. Uuiversity 
of Baroda has a Court and a Council of 
Post-Graduate Studies. All Agricultural 
Universities, except Kerala Agricultural 
University (Trichur) have Boards of 
Management and Academic Councils. The 
Kerala Agricultural University has a Gene- 
ral Council and an Academic Council. 

(c) The different authorities of the 
Universittes are constituted in accordance 
with their respective Acts. The University 



107 


Written Answer^ 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 108 


Grants Commission has forwarded to all 
the Universities copies of the Gajendra- 
gadkar Committee’s report on governance 
of Universities. 

Shifting of Indian Insfifnte of Advance 
Studies from Simla 

2867. PROF. NARA1N CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU- 
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether a decision has been taken 
to shift the Indian Institute for Advance 
Study from Simla; 

(b) if so, the reasons for this decision; 

(c) the date of this decision; and 

(d) the likely date by which it is pro- 
posed to shift the Institute 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) No 

such proposal is under consideration. 

(b) to (d). Do not arise. 

Voluntary Organisation for Adult 
Literacy Work Receiving Financial 
Assistance 

2868. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU- 
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of voluntary organisa- 
tions which received financial assistance 
from Government for adult literacy work in 
1971-72; 

(b) their names and permanent add- 
resses; and 

(c) the amount of financial assistance 
received by each ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) (a) to (c). A statement is laid 
on the Table of the House. [ Placed in 
Library. See No. LT- 3454/72 ] 


Decision taken «t meeting of Central 
Advisory Board of Education 

2869. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EDU- 
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to stste : 

(a) the number of meeting held by the 
Central Advisory Board of Education during 
the last two years; 

(b) the decisions arrived at these meet- 
ings; and 

(c) the decisions and recommendations 
which have since been implemented 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) None, 
However, the next meeting has been fixed 
for 18-19 September, 1972. 

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Establishment of Soyabean Processing 
Plant by F.C.I. 

2872. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether to ensure a good market 
for soyabean, processing facilities are being 
developed; 

(b) if so, which State has the largest 
acreage under soyabean cultivation; 

(c) whether processing plants are being 
established by F.C.I. with collaboration of 
UNICEF; and 

(d) if so, the break-up of the plants 
State -wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Maharashtra had the largest 
acreage under soyabean cultivation during 
1971-72. 

(c) Yes, one plant of 100/250 tonnes 
per day capacity is being established by 
the Food Corporation of India with the 
assistance of UNICEF. 

(d) Only one plant is being set up at 
Faridabad iq Haryana State. 

Multiple Pilot Projects during the 
Fourth Five Year Plan 

2873. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state ; 

(a) whether to increase production in 
the Fourth Plan 9 million hectares of addi- 
tional area are to be brought up under 
food through multiple cropping efforts; and 



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(b) if so, the balance of the target in 
the 4th year of the Plan, t 

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDEj (a) Yes. As 
a result of multiple cropping efforts it will 
be possible to increase production during 
the Fourth Plan in 9 million hectares of 
additional area not only under food cro^s 
but also under cash crops like oilseeds, 
fibres, sugarcane, vegetables, fruits and 
fodder etc. 

(b) The balance of the additional tnrget 
of 31 million tonnes of foodgrams under 
the Fourth Plan will be achieved through 
the High Yielding Varieties, Minor Irriga- 
tion, Land Development and Plant Protec- 
tion Programmes etc. 

Environmental Improvement in Slum 
Areas of Madras City 

2874. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : 
SHRI S A. MURUGANA- 
NTHAM : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Govern- 
ment' has informed the Union Government 
that Rs. 84 lakhs will be required for en- 
vironmental improvement in the slum areas 
of Madras City; 

(b) if so, whether Union Government 
has sanctioned only Rs. 2 1 lakhs; and 

(c) if so, the reasons for such snmll 
allotment ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) (a) to (c) : 
Under the new Central scheme for environ- 
mental improvement of slums, an allocation 
of Rs. 2.50 crores has been earmarked for 
Madras, as the ceiling for 100% Central 
grant for slum improvement projects in that 
city during the current financial year. Pro- 
jects worth Rs. 84 lakhs approximately have 
already been approved and out of that 
amount a sum of Rs. 21 lakhs has been 
released as first instalment of grant; the 


112 

balance nmount will be released according 
to the progress of implementation of gpp- 
roved projects. 

Some more slum improvement projects 
have been received from the State Govern- 
ment and approval for projocts costing 
Rs. 58 lakhs are under consideration. 

Shifting of Government Offices out of 
Delhi 

2875, SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: 

DR. LAXMLNARAYAN PANDEYA: 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the Secretaries' Committee 
has decided that a number of offices of the 
Government of India should be shifted 
out of Delhi to relieve the increasing con- 
jestion; 

(b) if so, the number of offices proposed 
to be shifted along with the number of 
officers and staff; 

(c) whether the process of shifting has 
been started, if so, the number of offices 
shifted so far and whether certain Ministries 
are resisting the proposal, and 

(d) if so, the final decision in the 
matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) 13. Information about the number 
of officers and staff is being collected and 
will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

(c) and (d). So far none of the offices 
has shifted and certain Ministries have rep- 
resented against the proposals for shifting. 
The representations are under consideration. 

Discountinuance of Supply of Milk by 
L) M.S. for ceremonial occasions 
through its Depots 

2876. SHRI ISHAQ SAMBHAU : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 



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Written Answers 114 


(a) whether Delhi Milk Scheme has 
lately discontinued the supply in bottles of 
milk for mirriage and other cerenonial 
occasions through the Depots; 

(b) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme 
authorities insist on the supply of milk in 
cans of 40 litres capacity or in multiples of 
40 litres only; 

(c) whether any complaints regarding 
adulteration of milk supplied in such cans to 
the various buyers have been 4 received and 
if so v the nature thereof and the action taken 
in the matter; and 

(d) whether the supply of milk in such 
cans in bulk quantity has caused consider- 
able inconvenience to the public and if so, 
the action Government propose to take to 
restore the earlier practice of supply to milk 
according to the individual requirements ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE 
(PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes. 

(b) Yes. 

(c) No. 

(d) The entire plant capacity of D M.S. 
is being utilised at present to meet the daily 
requirements of bottled milk of the regular 
token holders. As such, D.M S. can now 
meet special casual requirements of milk on 
the occasion of marriages etc. generally 
through supplies in Milk cans, in view of 
the substantial demand for milk on such 
occasions, this mode of supply is, by and 
large considered suitable. The position c in 
be reviewed after the bottling capacity of 
the Plant is expanded. 

Deputation ists working in Delhi Milk 
Scheme 

2877. SHRI 1SHAQUE SAMBHALI : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the nomenclature of posts against 
which deputationists are working in the 
Delhi Milk Scheme and the period since 
when and their tenure ; 

(b) whether any representations had 
been nwJe by tbp Staff Unions regarding 


the reversions of such deputationists and 
creating a cadre of Officers from D. M.S. 
itself ; 

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof 
and Government’s reaction thereto ; and 

(d) whether any fresh deputationists 
are being brought to replace the Delhi Milk 
Scheme Officers officiating against Class II 
and Class 1 Posts and if so, the reasons 
therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The requisite informa- 
tion is given in the statement laid on the 
Table of the House. [ Placed in Library . See 
No. LT — 3455/72]. 

(b) Yes. 

(c) The Delhi Milk Scheme Employees 
Union have been suggesting that deputa- 
tionists may be reverted to their parent 
cadres/offices and, as far as possible, efforts 
should be made to fill up posts in tne 
D. M. S. from among the staff regularly 
working in the organisation. It is the 
general policy of the Govt, to reduce ins- 
tances of deputation of officers from outside 
cadres/offices to the D. M. S. and, m 
pursuance of this policy, efforts are being 
made to build up the various cadres of the 
D. M. S. on a self-sufficient basis. How- 
ever, for want of suitably qualified and 
experienced personnel within the organisa- 
tion, some posts have still to be filled by 
deputationists. As and when qualified per- 
sonnel of the D. M. S imbide the requisite 
experience, the possibility of reducing the 
number of deputationists will be explored. 
The relevant Reciuitment Rules are being 
reviewed with this objective, in view also. 

(d) Only one Class I post which was 
held by j D M. S. Officer on ad-hoc basis 
is now proposed to be filled by deputation 
of a suitable officer in accordance with the 
relevant Recruitment Rules. 

Conference of State Minister* in charge 
of welfare of backward classes 

2878. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI : 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI J 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased *o 
state ; 



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Written Answers 116 


(a) whether the Conference of Ministers 
in charge of Welfare of backward Classes 
and Social Welfare held recently in New 
Delhi has recommended a new strategy for 
Tribal development ; 

(b) if so, the main points of the new 
strategy suggested by the Conference ; and 

(c) the steps taken to reorient tribal 
welfare work according to the new strategy ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. A new strategy 
for tribal development was suggested in the 
conference. 

(b) The main points of the new strategy 
are as under : — 

1. Protective legislation should be 
enacted and enforced strictly for 
the Scheduled Tribes living inside 
or outside the Scheduled Areas. 

2. Special schemes should be devised 

and existing schemes modified to 

cater to the needs of the most 
backward and neglected tribal 
commities. 

3. The programme of Tribal Deve- 
to cover all areas having at least 

lopment Block should be expanded 
80% tribal population and funds 
should also be provided to cover 
pockets of tr>bal concentration 
remaining outside the Tribal 

Development Blocks. 

4. The allotment for Tribal Develop- 
ment Blocks and tribal pockets 
may be increased* for accelerated 
development. 

5. For enlarging the activities of 

apex Co-op. corporations, finan- 
cing agencies should finance loans. 

6. Procedure may be devised to 

ensure that benefits flow from 
general sector to the Scheduled 
Tribes, paiticularly for drinkmj 
water, communications, health, 
agriculture, animal husbandry and 


cottage industries etc. Efforts 
should be made to collect data 
constantly about the actual benefits 
derived by the Scheduled Tribes 
from these pragrammes. 

7. Schemes of rehabilitation of tribal 
people displaced as a result of 
major projects should be integral 
parts of projects themselves and 
should include programmes for 
education, training and equipment 
of the displaced people. 

(c) The suggestions of the Conference 
are being examined. 


Employees on deputation to F.C.I. 

From West Bengal 

2879. SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether 5,000 employees are on 
deputation to Food Corporation of India 
from the West Bengal Government; and 

(b) if so, the reason why they should 
not be absorbed by the Food Corporation 
of India as its regular employees ? 

THE MINfSTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHIND3) ; (a) Yos, 
Sir About 5,000 employees from the 
West Bengal Government are on deputation 
with the Food Corporation of India 

(b) : These employees were taken on 
deputation from the West Bengal Govern- 
ment in 1966 in accordance with an agree- 
ment entered into between the State Govern- 
ment and the Corporation regarding the 
transfer of work (procurement, shortage 
and distribution of foodgrains, in the State 
to Corporation. The agreement inter aha 
provides that either party can terminate it 
by giving one crop year’s notice. Since 
the West Bengal Government have not yet 
decided to permanently transfer the work 
to the Corporation, the question of perma- 
nent absorption of the employees by the 
Corporation does not $ri$e at present. 



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Fare Meters in Three Wheeler Scooters 
In Delhi 

2880. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) Whether the three-wheeler scooters 
plying in Delhi do not have proper meters 
to indicate the exact fare in accordance 
with the latest rates; 

(b) whether it is not obligatory under 
the law to fix proper meters indicating the 
latest fare as is the case with taxies; and 

(c) the steps Government propose to 
take to enforce the law 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) Out of 14,275 rickshaws 
(including motor cycle rickshaws) in Delhi 
as on the 31st July, 1972, 7969 were not 
fitted with approved fare meters. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The drivers of three wheeler scooter 
richshaws, which are not fitted with app- 
roved fare meters, are required to display 
a conversion chart in the vehicles for the 
guidance of the passengers. In view of the 
present non-availability of approved types of 
fare meters in adequate numbers, the ques- 
tion of drawing up a phased programme 
for the replacement of the existing meters, 
fitted to scooter-rickshaws, which are not 
capable of being recalibrated, is under the 
consideration of the Delhi Administration. 


Recommendation made by Committee 
on Working of Museums 

SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Minister of EDUCATION AND 
WELFARE be pleased to state ! 

(a) The principal recommendations 
made by the Committee set up under the 
Chairmanship of Dr. Moti Chandra to 
examine the wprfc of the Museums in the 
country; 


(b) the recommendations of Randhawa 
Committee that went into the working of 
the three Central Museums and the Museums 
under the Archaeological Survey of India, 
which are being implemented; 

.(c) the recommendations which have 
financial and administrative implications; 
and 

(d) how long Government propose to 
take for implementing them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) A statement giving the prin- 
cipal recommendations made by the Commit- 
tee under the Chairmanship of Dr. Moti 
Chandra to examine the work of the 
Museums in the conntry was placed on the 
table of the Lok Sabha in reply to part (b) 
of Starred Question No. 17 by Shri Nuggc- 
halh Shivappa on 15.11.1971. 

(b) A statement giving the recommenda- 
tions of Randhawa Committee which have 
been implemented or are being implemented 
is laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed 
in Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 ] 

(c) A statement giving the recommenda- 
tions of Dr Moti Chandra Committee and 
Dr. Randhawa Committee, which have 
financial and administrative implications is 
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in 
Library. See. No. LT-3456/72 J 

(d! The implementation of the re. 
commendations mentioned in part (c) of 
the question will depend on the availability 
of necessary financial and administrative 
resources in the Centre as well as in the 
States. .There are. various agencies and 
authorities responsible for implementing 
these recommendations. 

Grants to Public Libraries 

2882. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) The break-up of Rs. 3 lakhs given 
as grants to the various Public Libraries in 
the country during 1971-72 ; 



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120 


(b) the number of cases recommended 
by the State Governments and Union Terri- 
tories during this year for 1 giving financial 
aid; 

(c) whether there are still any cases 
pendirg with the Ministry, and 

(d) if so, when these pending cases will 
be disposed of and the amount of grams 
likely to be given to them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA* 
SWAMY) (a) Grams totalling 

Rs. 4,12,980/- were paid to the various Pub- 
lic Libraries in the country during 1971-72 
under the scheme of financial assistance to 
Voluntary Educational Organisations work- 
ing in the field of Public Libraries. A 
statement giving the break-up of this amount 
is laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed 
in Library Sec. No. LT-3457/72 ] 

(b) 43 applications were re reived through 
the State Governments/Union Territories 
during 1971-72 for giving financial aid 
under the said scheme. 

(c) and (d) Yes, Sir. These applications 
were received after the expiry of the last 
date and did not contain all the informa- 
tion required under the Scheme. Accor- 
dingly, these pending applications will now 
be considered during 1972-73 alongwith the 
other fresh applications received' or to be 
received for assistance under the scheme 
through the State Governments/Union 
Territories for the current financial year. 
The grants to be given in each of the pend- 
ing cases a6 well as to the new applicants 
will be decided by the Deptt. of Culture on 
the recommendations , of an advisory 
Committee set up in the Deptt. for this pur- 
pose keeping in view the total amount of 
Rs. 3 lakhs available under the scheme for 
the current financial year. 

Declaration of T.M.S.S Mahal Library, 
Thanjavur as Institution of National 
Importance 

2883. SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased I q state; 


(a) the reasons for deferring the pro- 
posal of formally declaring the T.M.S.S 
Mahal library, Thanjavur as an institution 
of national importance; and 

(b) the manner in which Government 
propose to assist the library financially ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (k) The Government of Tamil 

Nadu has not agreed to the proposal of the 
Central Government that the constitution of 
the Board of Management of the T.M.S.S. 
Mahal library, Thanjavur, when declared 
and financially assisted as an institution of 
national importance, should be on the same 
lines as that of the Khuda Bakhsh Oriential 
Public library Board, Patna. 

(b) The matter is under consideration. 

Use of Opium in Delhi University 

2884. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : » 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 

KARODK.AR: 

Will (he Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints regarding the use of opium in 
the University and Colleges of Delhi; 

(b) whether some foreigners have been 
found taking interest in supplying narcotics 
free of cost in schools and colleges in order 
to spoil the character and mind of our 
youth, and 

(c) if so, the facts thereof ard the 
reaction of Government thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accord- 
ito the information furnished by the Univer- 
sity of Delhi, no case involving students in 
the use of opium in the University Campus 
and its colleges has come to the notice of 
the University, 



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Written Answers 122 


(b) No such report has been received 
by the University authorities. 

( c ) Does not arise. 

Passenger Shipping Service between 
India and Mauritias and other 
Countries 

2885. SHRI DHARAMARAO 

AFZALPURKAR : Will the Minister of 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Government to 
start a passenger shipping service between 
India and Mauritius and oiher countries in 
order to facilitate Indians and other natio- 
nals living in those countries; and 

(b) if so, the bioad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- 
MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ 
BAHADUR) : (a) Indian Shipping Lines 

at present operate passenger shipping service 
to West Asia Gulf Ports, East Africa and 
Malaysia/Singapore and Talaimannar 
(Ceylon). At present there are no pro- 
posals, under consideration of Government 
for running services to any other country. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories in 
Madhya Pradesh 

2886. SHRI RANABAHADUR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state ; 

(a) the number of Mobile Soil Testing 
Laboratories functioning at present in the 
State of Madhya Pradesh, District-wise; 

(b) whether the State of Madhya 
Pradesh has approached Central Govern- 
ment to approve more Mobile Soil Testing 
Laboratories in the State; and 

(c) if so, the reactiou of Union Govern- 
ment thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) T,vo 


Mobile Soil Testing Laboratories are func- 
tioning in the State. Normally, the vans 
are not earmarked for any singal district, 
but are sent to different districts from time 
to time, according to need. 

(b) and (c). No such request has been 
received for more vans. Supply of one 
more van is under consideration of Govern- 
ment. 


Openning of Trible Blocks sanctioned 
in Stales 

2887. SHRI RANABAHADUR 
SINGH: Will the Minister of EDUCA- 
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Tribal Development 
Blocks sanctioned for different States have 
not been opened due to shortage of funds; 
and 

(b) the steps so far taken to provide 
extra finances for ihe opening of Tribal 
Blocks in States ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). There is no such 

case where a Tribal Development Block 
fnlfilling the approved criteria has not been 
opened due to shortage of funds. The 
criteria prescribed for the opening of the 
Tribal Development Blocks are: — 

(i) An area nf 150-200 sq. miles, 
(u) A total population of 25000. 

(iii) A tribal concentration of 66|-% 

(iv) Viability to function as a 
normal administrative unit. 

All the Tribal Development Blocks sanc- 
tioned on the basis of the above criteria are 
functioning. 


Reservation for Minorities in Educational 
Institutions 

2888. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 



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(a) whether there lire some reservations 
for the minorities in public and private edu- 
cational institutions in some States for 
admissions and also for appointment of 
teachers; and 

(b) if so, the names of States where 
such practice prevails and reasons therefor 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) and (b). The information 
is being collected and will be laid on the 
Table of the House, when received. 

Use of LSD by University Students 

2889. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the use of LSD by university students on 
large scale in the country ; and 

(b) if so, the steps proposed to be 
taken to prevent such misuse ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No 

report has been received regarding the large 
scale use of LSD by university students. 

(b) It is proposed to ban the import 
LSD, except for bonafidc sceintific purposes, 
under the Customs Act 1962. A brochure 
entitled "BEWARE OF DRUG ADDIC- 
TION” has been prepared for use of the 
general public including the student commu- 
nity. 

Seminar on Aligrah Muslim University 

2890. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a seminar on Aligarh 
Muslim University Act was held in the 
second week of July, 1972; and 

(b) if so, the recommendations of the 
seminar and the names of sponsoring bodies 
or persons 7 


THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
A Seminar on the Aligarh Muslim Univer- 
sity (Amendment) Act, 1972 was organised 
by the Press Information Bureau at Delhi on 
July 14 and 15, 1972. The consensus evolved 
ai the Seminar is given in the statement laid 
on the Table of the House [Placed in 
Libarary . See No. LT-3458/72] 


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Machainsed Brick Plants run by NBCC 

2894. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to s'tale : 

(a) whether the mechanised brick 
plants run by the National Building Cons- 
truction corporation at various places are 
utilising only 30 per cent of their rated 
capacity ; 

(b) whether the low utilisation of these 
plants ia due to some defects in the original 
design and alignment of the drying chambers 
and if so, whether all the plants Suffer 
from indentical defects; and 



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(c) whether a technical committee has 
suggested certain changes ia the plants to 
improve production and if so, the steps 
taken to implement the suggestions of the 
Committee ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HELTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRR 
OF WORKR AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, The 

National Buildings Construction Corporation 
has set up only one mechanised brick 
plant. It is at Suhanpur tn Delhi. It is 
working one line single shift and producing 
only 14.7 per cent of what it is rated to 
produce working double line double shift. 

(b) The mam causes for inefficient 
working of the dryers are (a) inadequate 
provision of fans and burners (b) lack of 
instrumentation-temperature and humidity 
control (c) defective design of the combus- 
tion chamber (d) lack of standardisation of 
the drying process. 

(c) Yes. The various recommenda- 
tions made by the Committee in this regard 
are under consideration. 

Scheme for Food distribution by CARE for 
School Children in Stales 

2895. SHR1 N. K. SANGHI : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether CARE is distributing food 
to school children in different States m the 
country; and 

(b) if so, the details of the distribution 
scheme ? 

THE DUPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATiON AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Yes Sir. 

(b) Under the Indo-CARE Agreement 
of 1950, a Mid-day Meals Programme for 
' school children is being implemented in the 
.State Sector by the State Governments of 
1 Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat Haryana, Kerala, 
: f Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Mysore, 
Orissa, Punjab* Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, 
tv Uttar Pradesh, West Bengal and the Union 
' Territory of Pondicherry, CARE supplies 


the food commoditiods (cornflour, bulgar 
wheat, rolled wheat, milk powder, corn, 
soyaboan, C.S.M., Salad Oil and Milk 
Broad) free of charge at the Indian ports 
to the State/Union Territory Governments. 
The States/Union Torritory Governments 
bear the clearance and other administrative 
charges for the distribution of the food to 
the children and also the CARE cost in 
New York on the packing and labelling of 
the consignments before shipment and in 
India on the pay and allowances of the 
Indian peisonnel and the maintenance of 
the CARE office* at the State capitals 
under an Ameiican Administrator. Accor- 
ding to the CARE estimates, the States/ 
Union Territory Governments propose to 
cover a total number of 110.19 lakh children 
during the year 1972-73 as per details given 
in the attached statement. 

Statement 

ANNEXURE 

SI. No. States Beneficiaries during 

1 972-73 


1. 

Andhra Pradesh 

10,42,174 

2. 

Gujarat 

3,65,000 

3. 

Haryana 

3,27,000 

4. 

Kerala 

17,86,000 

5. 

Maharashtra 

2’00,000 

6. 

Madhya Pradesh 

6,40,000 

7. 

Mysore 

12,75,000 

8. 

Orissa 

7.46,000 

9. 

Panjab 

3 85,000 

10. 

Rajasthan 

4.00,000 

11. 

Uttar Fradesh 

10,83.000 

12. 

Tamil Nadu 

15,00,000 

13. 

West Bengal 

11,30,000 


Union Territory 


14. 

Pondicherry 

39,500 


Total : 

110,18,674 


C G. H. S. Dinspensaries in and outside 
Delhi 

2896. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state ; 

(a) the number of C. G. H. S. dispen- 
saries in and outside Delhi with their 
locations ; 



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(b) whether cheap and sub-standard 
medicines are supplied by local manufac- 
turers to the dispensaries ; 

(c) whether in the past, sub-standard 
quality of medicines was detected by the 
authorities and even then orders were 
placed with the same manufacturers ; and 

(d) if so, the steps being taken to im- 
prove upon the quality of the medicines 
supplied to the dispensaries by the 
manufacturers ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AHD FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF 
D. P CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The 
requisite information is given in the State- 
ment laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in library. See No. LT— 3459/72]. 

(b) No, Sir. The medicines are pur- 
chased at competitive rates, keeping in view 
the quality of medicines from the firms 
which are approved by Directorate General 
of Supplies and Disposals High Power Com- 
mittee who have an elaborate quality control 
system. The medicines received at the 
CGHS Medical Store Depot are also fre- 
quently sent for chemical analysis to the 
Central Drugs Laboratories at Calcutta and 
Ghaziabad. 

(c) No, Sir. 

(d) Does not arise. It may, however, 
be stated that in cases of doubt, if any, the 
Drugs Controller (India) as well as Drugs 
Controller of the concerned State is 
informed immediately for appropriate 
action. 

Raising the limit for Grant of House 
Building Loans 

2897. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to reier to the provisions of item 
(b) of para 3.7 of the Ministry's Annual 
Report, 1971-72 and state : 

(a) whether Government have consi- 
dered the desirability of raising the limit 
for grant of loans to Government e nployees 
to 75 months’ pay or Rs. one lakh, which- 


ever is less instcid of 60 months, pay or 
Rs. 50,000 as at present in view of the 
steep rise m prices of construction materials ; 
and 

(b) if so, when the decision in this 
regard will be taken ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING <PROF. 

D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
The matter is under consideration. 

Facili y of Drinking Water and House Sites 
to Agricultural Workers 

2898. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken a 
decision to celebrate the twentyfifth year of 
our independence by providing drinking 
water facility to all the villages and house 
sites to all agricultural workers ; and 

(b) if so, the broad details of the 
schemes being adopted together with the 
State-wise targets to be fulfilled in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and 
(b). No. Sir. There is a proposal to select 
one Jayanti Village in each block for all- 
round development including improvements 
in water supply and housing, during the 
Silver Jubilee year of Independence. The 
scheme that has been introduced by the 
Ministry of’Wotks and Housing for assis- 
tance to Slates for giving free house-sites to 
rural landless workers is not, however, con- 
fined to Jayanti Villages. Proposals from 
State Governments complying with the 
requirements of the scheme may be sent by 
the State Governments for different areas in 
each State as and when they are ready. 

Implementation of Revised Pay Scales of 
Delni School Teachers 

2899. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 



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SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to 
the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 
7768 on 29th May, 1972 regarding the imp- 
lementation of revised pay-scales of Delhi 
School Teachers and state : 

(a) whether the revised pay-scales of 
Delhi School Teachers (Primary, Middle 
and Higher Secondary) as approved and 
sanctioned by the Government of India 
with effect from the 27th May, 1970 and 
announced on the 5th September, 1971 have 
since been implemsnted and payment have 
been made with arrears ; 

(b) if so, whether the selection Grade 
which is a part of the revised pay-scales for 
senior teachers has also been implemented ; 
and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) The revised pay scales, 
except in the selection grade, have been 
implemented. The arrears have been paid 
in some cases and the remaining cases will 
be covered as early as possible. 

(b) and (c). The Government is consi- 
dering the detailed rules for implementing 
the selection grades in so far as Delhi 
Administration teachers are concerned. The 
Cantonment Board has, however, imple- 
mented the selection grades. 


Water Supply in New Moti Nagar 
New Delhi 

2900. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether in spite of the installation 
of the booster pumps in New Moti Nagar 
area, New Delhi water does not reach 
during summer season (1972) in the first 
floor of ‘B* block from morning to evening ; 

(b) whether water is not available in 
some quarters in *B* block (first floor) upto 
now ; 


(c) whether recently an officer of the 
Water Supply Department visited the area 
and enquired the position of water and 
whether the ground floor quarters are now 
getting water for the whole day ; 

(d) whether the residents of these 
quarters are entitled for direct connection 
and if so, the procedure thereof ; and 

(e) the steps taken by Government to 
remove this difficulty of the basic need 
faced by the residents of New Moti Nagar, 
New Delhi (First Floor) in *B* block for the 
last several years 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D.P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
During summer, water on the first floor is 
available only m the early hours of the 
morning. 

(c) Yes. 

(d) Yes. Separate connections can be 
given by the Slum Department of the Muni- 
cipal Corporation of Delhi by changing 
internal fittings. 

(e) A Booster Pumping Station has been 
installed for boosting the pressure in the 
area. Although the pressure at the Pump- 
ing Station has increased, corresponding 
increase in pressure in 4 B* block has not 
taken place. The matter is being looked 
into by the Delhi Water Supply and Sewage 
Disposal Undertaking. 


Scheme for Employment of Families of 

Farmers and Landless Peasants in 
Gujarat 

2901. SHRI V. MAY AVAN : 

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Gujarat Government 
has prepared a scheme by which 6,000 
families of farmers and landless peasants 
will be able to earn Rs. 1000 every year ; 

(b) if so, the main features of the 

scheme ; 



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SRAVANA 30, 1834 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers 134 


(c) whether the Union Government has 
asked other State Government to prepare 
inch scheme for the benefit of farmers ; and 

(d) if so, the number of States who 
have agreed to implement such schemes ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No such 
scheme has been received from the Gujarat 
State Government. 

(b) to (d). Does not arise. 

Implementation of Recommendations 

made by Sub-Committee on computerisa- 
tion of Tabulation of Educational 
Statistics 

2902. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the three recommendations 
made by the Sub-Committee on Compute- 
risation of Tabulation of Educational 
Statistics have been implemented; and 

(b) if not, the reasons for the delay 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Proposals from Delhi Administra- 
tion are awaited, 

Implementation of Recommendations 
made by Committee on Reorganisa- 
tion of statistical Unit 

2903. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the reoommendations made by the 
Committee on the Re-organisation of the 
Statistical Unit, barring the recommenda- 
tion of creating additional posts which has 
been implemented by the Ministry; and 

(b) the action taken by the Ministry 
on these other recommendations ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTRY OF THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) ; (a) and (b). Statements I and 


II furnishing the information are laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in Library. 
See No. LT— 3460/72] 

Utilization of services of Experts 
From G • D. R» 

2904. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : how 
the services of the expert, in the 
field of work experience, obtained from the 
German Democratic Republic in the middle 
of January, 1971 were utilised by Govern- 
ment in regard to the programmes of intro- 
ducing work experience and vocationalisa- 
tion of education in India ? 

THE DFPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY): The expert from the German Demo- 
cratic Republic was requested to prepare a 
draft guidelines for introducation of work 
experience and vocationalisation of edu- 
cation in schools in selected Pilot Project 
districts. He prepared the draft guidelines 
in consultation with the N.C E.R.T , the 
District Pilot Project Officers and the Mins- 
stry of Education and Social Welfare, 
Government of India. These have been 
circulated amongst the Project Officers for 
their guidance. 

Project Report on deep sea fishing in 
Kerala with Foreign Collaboration 

2905. SHRIMATI BHARGAVl THA- 
NKAPPAN : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to rater to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 757 on 
the 20th March, 1972 regarding the Project 
report .for deep, sea fishing with foreign 
collaboration from Kerala and state : 

(a) whether any project report for 
deep-sea fishing with foreign collaboration 
has been submitted by Kerala Government; 
and 


(b) if Jo, the steps taken to accept it? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
A project report for deep sea fishing with 



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foreign collaboration was received from the 
Government of Kerala in April, 1971, but 
the report did not indicate the natns of the 
foreign collaborator. 

A possibility which was taken up for 
consideration in this connection was of 
bringing the project within the purview of 
Soviet aid. The policy relating to import 
of fishing vessels was then under considera- 
tion. It was decided in March, 1972, that 
indigenous capacity should be fully utilized 
and that the balance of vessels should be 
imported from the U.S S.R. to the extent 
of availability. An Agreement for co- 
operation in the field of Marine and Inland 
fisheries is being negotiated with the U S.S. 
R. The feasibility of taking up the proposed 
project under the terms of the Agreement 
will be examined after the Agreement has 
been concluded. 

Land acquisition of estimates of bye- 
passes and widening of Road on 
National highways in Kerala 

2906. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI 
THANKAPPAN : 

SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether all the land acquisition 
estimates for the bye-pa«ses and widening 
of roads on National Highways in Kerala 
State have been sanctioned by the Govern- 
ment of India; 

(b) what are the pending est ; mates 
with the Government of India and how 
long they have been pending and when they 
would be sanctioned by the Ministry; 

(c) what steps have been taken for 
sanctioning these estimates; and 

(d) whether the question of sharing the 
cost for bye-passes as requested by the 
Government of Kerala would be settled 
soon? 

THE MINISER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND MINISTRY OF SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM MEHTA) : 
(a) to (c). Of the estimates relating to land 


acquisition for bye-passes and widening 
of roads on National Highways in Kerala, 
fifty have been sanctioned, two are under 
technical scrutiny and three are under 
financial scrutiny. References to the State 
Government have been made with a view 
to obtain further information clarification in 
respect of five estimates arising out of 
technical scrutiny and three estimates arising 
out of financial scrutiny 

Out of the five pending with the Gov- 
ernment of India, one has been pending 
since December 1971, and four from May- 
June 1972. The principal reasons for the 
delay in sanctioning this small number of 
estimates are that either alignment and 
othar technical aspects are under considera- 
tion in the light of the need to effect econo- 
my in those costly proposals and or to 
exclude, wherever possible, places of wor- 
ship or religious institutions which may 
present difficulty in acquisition. 

It may be possible to complete the 
technical scrutiny in a period of three 
months after all the relevant information 
concerning the estimates is available and 
financial scrutiny, normally three months 
thereafter. 

(d) Under the National Highways Act 
and rules framed thereunder, the full cost 
of development of National Highways and 
also the cost of construction of byepaises 
lying outside the municipal areas are borne 
by the Central Government. However, 
where such bye-passes pass through muni- 
cipal areas, according to the Central Gov- 
ernment’s policy, the State Governments 
are required to pay for acquiring the land 
width needed for parallel service roads io 
be constructed on either side of the National 
Highway bye-passes for catering to local 
traffic and also in due course construct the 
same at their cost. The Government of 
Kerala have, however, proposd that in the 
case of snch byepasses passing through 
municipal areas also, the Central Govern- 
ment may, in addition, bear the cost of 
land required for parallel service roads. 
The Slate Government have been informed 
that the prescribed policy being applicable 
to the country as a whole, has to be applied 
to the cases of bye-passes in Kerala State 
as well. They have, therefore, been re- 
quested to review the proposal again and 
furnish certain essential data for unabling 



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SRAVANA 30, IS94 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 


the Central Government to examine the 
State Government's revised proposal fur- 
ther. 

Setting up of Branches of Hindustan 

Housing Factory in Major Cities 
and Towns 

2907. SHRI HARI SINGH : 

SHR1 D. P. JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state \ 

(a) whether Government have any plan 
to set up the new branches of the Hindus- 
tan Housing factory in major cities and 
towns of India : 

(h) if so, when those new branches of 
the Hindustan Housing Factory will be 
started; and 

(c) the cities and towns Government 
have choser for new branches ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D P CHATTOPADHYARA): (a) to (c) . 
An expert Committee on mc'hods of achiev- 
ing economy in large scale construction of 
low cost housing in the major cities, set up 
by the Government of India in 1969 
recommended the setting up of factories for 
producing standardised building components 
and prefabricated panels, wherever they 
were justified by the volume of local build- 
ing activity. All such factories need not be 
set up by the Central Government or as 
branches of the Hindustan Housing Fac- 
tory. A proposal to set up a prefabricated 
housing factory at Bombay with the parti- 
cipation of the Government of Maharashtra 
is under the consideration of the Hindustan 
Housing Factory, Delhi. 

Documents Missing from National 
Archives 

2908. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether most important documents 
pertaining to the transfer of power from 


Britain to India in 1947 are missing from 
National Archives; and 

(b) if so, how it happened and what 
steps Government have proposed to recover 
those documents ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a> No Sir. 

(b) Question does not arise. 


Anand Parbat Children's Home, New 
Delhi 

2909. SHRI HARI SINGH : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether four boys between the ages 
of six and twelve years were thrown out of 
the Anand Parbat Children’s Home, New 
Delhi on the 21st June, 1972; and 

(b) if so, the measures Government 
propose to take to stop such dealing with 
the children ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Scheme for replacement of Slums by 
Small Utility Housing to Improve 
Rural Housing Units 

2910. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of WORKS 
AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
consideration of Government to replace 
slums by small utility housing and for imp- 
roving rural housing and meeting the hous- 
ing shortages of more than 8 lakh units, 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof; 
and 

(c) the progress if any, in the implemen- 
tation of the scheme ? 



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140 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c) . 
At present, there is no proposal under the 
consideration of the Government for replac- 
ing slums in all cities and towns in the 
country by small utility houses. A scheme 
called the Slum Clearance/Improvement 
Scheme was introduced in 1956 as a cen- 
trally sponsored scheme. This scheme, 
inter alia , envisages provision of small two- 
roomed houses as an alternative accommo- 
dation to *he slum dwellers The seheme 
was transferred to the State Sector from the 
beginning of the Fourth Five-Year Plan 
and Central assistance for its implementa- 
tion is now included in the block Central 
assistance being given to the State Govern- 
ments from year to year by the Ministry of 
Finance, The State Governments are free 
to determine the programmes to be executed 
and the funds to be allocated for its imple- 
mentation according to their own require- 
ments and priorities. According to reports 
received from State Governments and Union 
Territories, upto May, 1972 approximately 
84.000 tenements had been constructed 
against 1,38.400 tenements sanctioned under 
this Scheme. 

In addition, the Government have re- 
cently introduced a new scheme in the Cen- 
tral Sector for Environmental Improvement 
of Slums in eleven Metropolitan Cities 
having a population of 8 lakhs or more. 
A provision of Rs. 15 crores has been 
made in the current financial year for its 
implementation. Financial assistance 
amounting to Rs. 6 crores approximately 
has so far been sanctioned for 185 projects. 

2. In order to assist the villagers in 
the construction/improvement of their 
houses, a scheme named the Village House- 
mg Projects Scheme was introduced in 
1957. Apart from providing longterm 
loan assistance to the villagers for the cons- 
truction/improvement of their houses, the 
scheme contains provisions for gr.mt of 
technical assistance to the prospective house 
builders as also for provision of free house- 
sites to landless agricultural workers. It 
also provides for laying of streets and drains 
in the villages in which the scheme is imple- 
mented. This scheme is also, at present, 


included in the State Sector and Central 
assistance for its implementation forms part 
of the block Central assistance given to 
various States, le aving it to their discretion 
to determine the amount of funds to be pro- 
vided for its implementation. According to 
information received from State Govern- 
ments so far, out of about 80,100 houses 
sanctioned for construction, 50,500 houses 
have been completed under this Scheme. 

In view of the urgent need to solve the 
housing problem of landless workers in 
rural areas, the Government of India have 
recently introduced a new scheme in the 
Central Sector for provision of free house- 
sites to landless workers m rural areas. A 
sum of Rs. 5 crores has been provided in 
the current financial year for grant of 
100% subsidy to the State Governments for 
its implementation and out of this about 
Rs. 4 crores have been sanctioned to five 
States on the basis of projects received 
from them. 


Ban on quacks in the country 

2911. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have any pro- 
posal under consideration to put ban on 
quacks in the country ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
Under sub- section (2) of section 15 of the 
Indian Medical Council Act, 1956, registra- 
tion of a medical practitioner on a State 
Medical Register is compulsory before he 
can practise medicine. Sub-section (3) 
further provides that a person who acts in 
contravention of this provision is liable to 
be punished with imprisonment up to one 
year or with fine up to one thousand rupees 
or with both. This penal provision is suffi- 
cient to put a check on the activities of the 
quacks. 



141 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 142 


Step for preservation of wild life stressed at 

meeting of Southern Zinai Council held 
at Hyderabad on 26th July, 1972 

2912. SHRf NIHAR LASKAR : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether it has come to his know- 
ledge that the Prime Minister stressed the 
need for preservation of wild life during the 
Southern Zonal Council meeting held at 
Hyderabad on 26th July, 1972 ; 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ; and 

(c) the fresh measures adopted in this 
direction ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) A draft Bill for conservation of 
Wild life in the country and to regulate 
trade, movement and taxidermy in wild life 
products has already been introduced in the 
Lok Sabha. This Bill will initially be appli- 
cable to such of the State which have 
adopted resolutions under Article 252 (1) of 
the Constitution and will become applicable 
by adoption of simdar resolutions by other 
States in future. 

(c) A Task Force has almost Onalised 
a Project for Conservation of tigers in the 
selected aieas in the country. It is proposed 
to launch the PiOjeet from 1st April, 1973, 
initially to cover a period of 6 years. 

Exper/rnents in Ladakh Regarding cold 
weather vegetables and cultivation 
ol treeless waste 

2913. SHRI KUSHAK BAKULA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state . 

(a) whether Government proposed to 
refer Ladakh to the Indian Council of Agri- 
cultural Research (I. C. A. R.) experts for 
carrying on experiments in cold weather 
vegetables and cultivate the treeless wastes 
and make them yield food ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINOE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

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143 


Written Arswtrs 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 144 


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Incentive to sugarcane growers 

2917. SHRI JAGANNATH M1SHRA: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether bad crop and large scale 
diversion of sugarcane to gur and khand- 
sari units have affected sugar production 
this year ; and 

(b) if so, the incentive proposed for 
sugarcane growers and steps to prevent 
diversion ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The fall in production 
of sugar during the 1971-72 season is attri- 
butable mainly to the fall in the area under 
sugarcane during the year and to the 
damage caused to the crops by excessive 
rains and floods in the North and drought 
conditions in some areas in the South. Due 
to the higher prices of gur and khandsari, 
it is possible there might have been some 
diversion of sugarcane to these industries 
also. 

(b) Sugar and sugarcane policy for 
1972-73 with a view to maximising the pro- 
duction of sugar is in an advanced stage of 
consideration. 

C.B I. prove into reported Pardeep 
Port Tug Scandal 

2918. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Central Bureau of Investi- 
gation probe was ordered into Pardip Port 
tug scandal; and 

(b) if so, the result of enquiry ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 

(a) No. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Survey of working conditions of Indian 
Doctors Abroad 

2919. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have con- 
ducted a survey on the working conditions 
of Indian doctor? abroad; and 

(b) if so, the outcome of the survey 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and 

(b) . The requisite information is being 
collected and will be laid on the Table of 
the Sabha. 



145 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 


Complaints Re : Wheat prices reco- 
mmended by A<P.C' 

2920. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints regarding the wheat prices 
recommended by the Agricultural Prices 
Commission to reduce the procurement 
price of wheat and unsatisfactory arrange- 
ment in the States; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of States and 
Central Government thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Agricultural Prices Commission, in its 
report on price policy for Rabi foodgrains 
for 1972-73 season, recommended a reduc- 
tion in the procurement price of wheat. A 
large number of representations were re- 
ceived from associations and individuals 
against this recommendation of the Commis- 
sion. Government, after careful considera- 
tion in consultation with the State Govern- 
ments and taking into account all relevant 
factors, decided to continue the procure- 
ment price of wheat at the previous year's 
level. 

Although some complaints, ma nly about 
delay in opening of purchase centres etc., 
were received from U P. and Rajasthan, 
the arrangements for procurement of wheat 
in the States were satisfactory. 


Eipendlture on Family Planning in 
Mysore State 

2921. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA • Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount of expenditure incurred 
on Family Planning by Central Government 
m the State of Mysore and the amount of 
foreign aid received in this regard during 
the last three years, country- wise; and 

(b) the extent to which' tho objective 
was achieved by the Government f 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The 
total estimated expenditure on Family Plan- 
ning Proaramme in Mysore State during the 
last three years (1969-72) is Rs. 678.40 
lakhs. No foreign aid specifically earmarked 
for the Family Planning Programme for 
that State during that period has been 
received. 

(b) The performance under Family Pla- 
nning Programme since its inception in 
Mysore Stale up to the end of May, 1972 
has been 4.84 lakh sterilisation operations, 
2.61 lakh I.U.C.D. insertions and 33,000 
users of Conventional Contraceptives. As a 
result of the programme, 9.5% of couples 
in the reproductive age group have been 
currently protected in Mysore State. 

The National objective of the pro- 
gramme is to bring down the birth rate to 
32 per thousand of population by the end 
of the Fourth Five Year Plan. According 
to the Sample Registration Scheme of 
Registrar General of India, the birth rate 
in Mysore had come djwn to 33.3 in 1970 
(35.1 in rural areas and 27.8 in Urban 
areas). 

Piocess in Construction of Mangalore 
Harbour 

2922 SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Mangalore Harbour is not 
likely to be ready according to schedule; 
and 

* • 

(b) if so, the difficulties being faced to 
get it ready according to schedule and when 
it is likely to be ready and whether some 
additional msney has also been sanctioned 
for the same ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AMD SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b) No target date as such was 
fixed for the’ completion of the Mangalore 
Harbour. However, it was intended to comp- 
lete it as far as possible by the end of ‘1972, 



147 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 


The new harbour is now to start function- 
ing by the end of 1973 and will be comp- 
leted by the middle of 1974. The progress 
of work \i satisfactory except for a short- 
fall in the dredging schedule due to delay 
in delivery of a dredger ordered on an indi- 
genous firm. Proposals are under consi- 
deration to complete the dredging operation 
as expeditiously as possible. It is prema- 
ture to indicate the extra expenditure that 
might be involved. 


Report of Committee to Review the 
working of National Akademls 
and Indian Council of 
Cultural Relations 

2923. SHR1 P. A. SAMINATHAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION. AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

( 9 ) whether the Committee set up to 
review the working of the three National 
Akademis and the Indian Council of Cultu- 
ral Relations has submitted its report, as 
was anticipated in April, 1972; and 

(b) if so. the action taken by Govern- 
ment on the recommendations made by the 
Committee ? 

THE DEPUETY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMASWAMY)- 
(a) and (b). The Committee submitted its 
report on 31.7.72 and this is uNder consi- 
deration of Government. A copy of the 
Report will be placed on the table of the 
Lok Sabha as soon as it is received from 
the press. 


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Loss ir yield of crop in Bihar due to 

non-availability of impioved variety 
of seeds 

2925. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints about the substantial Joss of crop 
yield in Bihar State on account of non- 
availability of improved varieties of seeds in 
time ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Govern- 
ment to supply improved varieties of seeds 
in time in future ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDh) : (a) and (b). 
The Government of India have not received 
any specific complaint, but the information 
is being collected from *he Government of 
Bihar and tyjlj be laid pn the table of the 
Sabha aooa* 



149 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SA&A) Written Answers 150 


Import of milch cattle 

2926. SHRI M. S. PURTY : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of milch cattle imported 
by the Government during the last three 
years and the names of the countries from 
which the said animals were imported ; 

(b) the amount paid to each of these 
countries by the Government ; 

(c) the names of States in the country 
which were given these animals and the 
number of animals given to each of these 
States ; and 

(d) the names of the countries with 
which the Indian Government are negotia- 


ting in order to improve the breed of milch 
cattle in mdia ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) 1241 exotic cattle had 
been imported during the last three years 
i e. 1969-70, 1970-71 and 1971-72 from 
Australia, Denmark, U. S. A. and U. K. 

(b) No amounts were paid to the 
Government of this countries. 575 cattle 
supplied by the Australian Government 
and 164 supplied by Denmark Govt, 
as Gift were F. O. R. Indian Airport/ 
port. In respect of 503 exotic cattle recei- 
ved from U. S. A., U. K. and Austialia as 
Gift, an amount of Rs. 14,90,636.65 was 
paid as transportation charges only. 

(c) The Statewise and category-wise dis- 
tribution of 1241 cattle is as under : — 


SI. No. 

Name of 

Jersay 

Friesian 

Gurensey 

Red Dane 

Brown Swiss 


Bulls 

Heifers 

Bulls 

Heifers 

Bulls Heifers 

Bulls Heifers 

Bulls Heifers 

1 

Am 

3 

4 

s 

6 

7 

8 

9 10 

11 12 

1. 

Andhra Pradesh 

7 

24 

3 

11 

... 

. . . 

... 

i 

2. 

Assam 

7 

53 

... 

... 

6 

16 


... ... 

3. 

Bihar 

... 

... 

11 

28 

... 

... 




4. 

Kerala 1 5 

48 

... 

... 

... 

... 

... ... 

... IM 

5. 

Tamil Nadu 

1 

... 

1 

11 

... 

... 

••• ••• 

... ... 

6. 

Maharashtra 

3 

74 

11 

12 

Ml 

... 

• • • ■ • ■ 

• • • ••• 

7. 

Bhartiya Agro- 
Industries 
Foundation, 
Maharashtra 


80 


23 



... ... 

• «« Ml 

8. 

Madhya Pradesh 4 

60 

... 

... 

ft ■ • 

... 

1 20 

•ftft ••• 

9. 

Punjab 

(including Agn. 
University 



3 

223 

m •• 


1 18 

••• ••• 

10. 

Haryana 

13 

90 

... 

... 

• •• 

... 


••• ftftft 

11. 

West Bengal 

... 

• •• 

5 

9 

• • • 

... 

••• 

• •• ■ • • 

12. 

land K 

2 

45 

• • • 

• • • 

• •• 

... 

••I ftftft 

* ■ • ftftft 

13. 

Himachal 

Pradesh 

4 

46 

• •• 

• • • 

• •• 


• •• Ml 

••• ftftft 

14. 

Uttar 

Pradesh 

2 

48 

• » • 




••ft III 

Ml 

15. 

U. P. Agri. 

University 

Pantnagar 

2 

28 


Ml 

• M 


1 20 


151 Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 


1 52 


1 

2 

3 

4 

5 

6 

7 8 

9 

10 

11 

12 

16. 

Rajasthan 

4 

... 

2 

... 

... ... 

• •• 

• •• 

• •• 


17. 

Goa 

2 

... 

... 

... 

... ... 

• • • 

... 


... 

18. 

Military 

Farms 

• •• 

... 

5 


... ... 

• •• 

• •• 

• •• 


19. 

I. V. R. I, 
Izatnagar 

2 

12 

... 


... ... 

• •• 


2 

15 

20. 

Pondicherry 

3 

... 

... 

... 

... ••• 


• • • 

... 

• • • 

21. 

Meghalaya 

... 

... 

2 

... 



... 

... 



22. 

Gujarat 

(Anand) 

4 

96 

... 

... 

... ... 

... 

... 

f#a 

• •• 


Total : 

75 

704 

43 

317 

6 16 

3 

58 

3 

IS 

-- 

-- 


- - 


. 

. _ — — 

— . _ 








(d) The Government of India is negotiating with the Govt, of Australia, Newzeland 
Denmark and Switzerland. * 


Food products received by C- A. R. E. 
as gift 

2927. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any arrangement 
to inspect and certify that different food 
products received by CARE as gift, or 
otherwise, are fit for human consumption ; 

(b) whether these consignments received 
by CARE are accompanied by international 
medical /health certificate ; 

(c) whether any quantity of power milk, 
butter oil, biscuits or other food articles 
were found unfit for human consumption 
during the last three years, if so, the parti- 
culars thereof ; and 

< 

(d) how these foods which were found 
unfit for humen consumption were disposed 
of 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATF IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). 
The information is being collected and will 
be laid on the Table of the Sabha, 


Milk Powder and butter oil unfit for 
human consumption 

2928. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total quantity of ‘Unfit for 
Human Consumption* milk powder and 
butter oil received through LNICF, WFP 
(World Food Programme) and other inter- 
national Organisations by the Indian Dairy 
Corporation and National Dairy Board 
during Iasi three years; 

(b) whether these goods were not got 
checked, inspected and certified by the 
Agency of the Health Ministry before 
releasing them for use of the common 
people, particularly the weaker section of 
the society ; 

(c) the action taken or porposed to be 
taken against the officers responsible for 
releasing such unfit goods for use of the 
people ; and 

(d) whether Government propose to 
ensure that eveiy consignment so received 
should be accompanied by the International 
Health Certificate and again certified by our 
Health Ministry before releasing them for 
public use ? 


NOTE : — 1 Jersey bull died during quaranting period, 



153 


Written Answers SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SJKa) 


Written Answers 154 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (d). The informa- 
tion is being collected and will be placed on 
the table of the House. The Indian Dairy 
Corporation have however stated that no 
milk powder and butter oil unfit for 
human consumption was released for the 
use of the common people. 

Delhi University Library 

2929. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether his attention has been 
drawn to the news item appearing in the 
• Hindustan Times * dated the 25th July, 1972 
under the heading, ‘University Library — 
chaos behind orderly exterior; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto and the steps taken in this regard 7 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 

A statement giving the view of the Univer- 
sity of Delhi on the various points raised in 
the News item is laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT - 
3461 1772. 

Development of New Variety of Sugar- 
cane at Regional Sugarcane Research 
Institute, Jullunder 

2930. SHRIMATI SAVITRI HYAMS: 

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of the Govern- 
ment has been drawn to a news item appear- 
ing in the Indian Express dated the 28th 
July, 1972 that Regional Suggarcane Research 
lustitute, Jullundur has developed a new 
variety of sugarcane; 

(b) if so, the expected yield of this 
sugarcane per acre and how far this sugar- 
taqe will produce sugar; and 


(c) the extent to which the demand of 
the country will be met as a result of sugar 
production from this new sugarcane 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes. 
Three new varieties viz. S. 449-64 S 480/64 
and Co 62399 have been fonud promising 
for cultivation. 

(b) The yield potential for these new 
varieties are given below : — 


S 449 46 

700-quintals per 
hectare 

S 480-64 

750-800 

hectare 

quamals- 

Co. 62399 

800-850 

hectare 

quenials 

These now varieties 
the early, medium 

belong respectively 
and late maturing 


groups. In view of the difference in the 
maturity period of the canes, cultivation of 
these varieties is likely to help in improv- 
ing the sugarcane recovery percentage in 
the factories. 

(c) These varieties are being tested in 
the varietal trials at sugar factory farms and 
fields of progressive cane growers and are 
likely to be released for general cultivation 
after studying their performance in the 
cultivators fields. Hence it is too early to 
predict the extent to which the demand of 
the sugar industry would be met by these 
new strains. 


Foongrains to Bangladesh 

* , 

2931. SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHY AM : 

SHRI HUKAM CHAND 
KACHWA1 : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the quantity of total foodgrains 
supplied to Bangladesh by the Government 
of India; 

(b) whether more foodgrains are also 
to be supplied to Bangladesh; 



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(c) while supplying foodgrains to 
Bangladesh, whether Government would 
keep in view the present drought conditions 
in various parts of the country including 
the same prevailing in Bangladesh; and 

(d) if so, the broad outlines thereof 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
A total quantity of 7,57,109 tonnes has been 
despatched upto 10/1/12. It has been agreed 
to supply a further quantity of 50,000 tonnes 
of wheat to Bangla Desh. Against this, a 
quantity of about 38,000 tonnes has been 
despatched upto 15/8/72 and the balance 
will be supplied before the end of August, 
1972. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

(d) The supply position In the drought 
affected areas is under consta it review. 
Reasonable requirements of fooderains of 
the drought affected States are being met. 


Sanitation and Horticulture Arrangement 
in type II Quarters of Mandir Marg, 
New Delhi. 

2932. SHRI B K DASCHOW DHURY: 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether in Type II quarters of 
Mandir Marg, New Delhi, there is no sani- 
tation and horticulture arrangement provi- 
ded by any authority for the last eight 
months; and 

(b) if so, the details thereof and the 
steps taken by Government in providing 
such facilities at the earliest 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALEH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. F. CHATTOPADHYAYA); (a) and (b). 
The sanitation arrangements have already 
been provided. As regards horticultural 
arrangements, laying of the unffltered water 
main has been completed in July 1972 and 
necessary horticultural wbrk is in hand; 


Legal Status to Social Welfare Boards 

2933. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY: 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION & 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to give legal status to the Social Welfare 
Boards in the country; and 

(h) if so, the main features thereof and 
the steps taken by Government in this 
regard 7 

THB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S RAMA- 
SWAMY); (a) and (b). The Central Gbvern- 
ment has jurisdiction only over the Central 
Social Welfare Board which is at preseht 
registered as a Company under the Com- 
panies Act, 1956. A proposal for its reor- 
ganisation is under consideration. 

In a recent Conference of the State 
Ministers mcharge of Social Welfare and 
Backward Classes Welfare, the States 
Governments were advised to reconstitute 
the Slate Social Welfare Boards as registered 
societies. 

Setting up of Power Committee for 
implemenation of National Health 
Scheme for Rural Areas 

2934. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY: 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a High Power Committee 
to go into details of a National Health 
Scheme for rural areas prepared b> the 
Ministry and to suggest the necessary modi- 
fications for its speedy implementation has 
been set up; 

fb) whether the scheme today by 
medical man , in rural areas has been 
binalied ; and 

(c) if so, the main features therebf 
and the progress achieved 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 



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(b) and (c). At the Conference of 
Health Ministers recently held in New Delhi 
a Committee of Ministers was constituted to 
go into the details and to suggest such 
modifications as may be necessary to ensure 
the smooth aad efficient implementation of 
the Scheme. This Committee held its first 
meeting on the 27th July, 1972. The vari- 
ous suggestions for modifications made at 
the meeting of the Committee can broadly 
be classified into the following three cate- 
gories : 

(i) employment of para-medical 
staff af'er giving them some 
basic training; 

(ii) employment of para-medical 
staff and also the registered 
medical practitioners in the 
Indian Systems of Medicine and 
Homoeopathy wherever avail- 
able; and 

(in) the extansion of the existing 
scheme of providing Primary 
Health Centres and Sub-Centres 


and the employment of M.B B.S. 
doctors. 

The State Governments have requested 
to cosider the suggestions and revise the 
scheme to suit the conditions prevailing 
in the respective States and to forward the 
scheme by the 15th of September, 1972, to 
the Government of India together with a 
complete syllabus for various types of train- 
ing so that further action may be taken in 
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Closure of National Highway No. 6 
passing from Raipur to Sambalpur 
in Madhya Pradesh 

2939. SHRI SHRIKRISHNA 

AGRAWAL : Will the Minister of SHIPP- 
ING AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether National Highway No. 6 
passes from Raipur to Sambalpur in Madhya 
Pradesh; 

(b) if so, whether Government are 
aware that this National Highway passes 
over many rivers as a result of which it is 
closed particularly during rainy season; 

(c) whether Government have received 
any individual and collective complaints 
regarding closure of the Highway; and 

(d) if so, the steps being ta ken by 
Government to ensure that this Highway is 
not closed and the time by which necessary 
work is likely to be completed ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MET HA) : (a) National Highway No. 

6 passes from Raipur in Madhya Pradesh to 
Sambalpur in Orissa, 


(b) The traffic is not closed but is 
only held up at a few river crossings occa- 
sionally for short duration during the rainy 
season. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

(d) The construction of high level 
bridges in place of the existing eight sub- 
mersible bridges which hold up traffic dur- 
ing the rainy season have been included in 
the Fourth Five Year Plan. These are ex- 
pected to be taken up soon and completed 
during the Fifth Plan period. 

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Foreign Assistance in Cultivation of 
Sugar Beet and Sun Flower 

2941. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whother some foreign countries 
have offered assistance in India's agriculture 
development particularly in cultivation of 
sugar-beet and sun- flower; 

(b) if so, the names of these countries 
and the terms thereof, and 

(c) the estimated cost of these projects 
and reaction of the Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
No offer of assistance has been received from 
any foreign country for cultivation of Sugar 
beet and Sun flower. Under a Protocol 
signed with U.S S.R. on lOlh April, 1972 
Government have agreed to supply 10 
Kg. each of certain varieties of Sun flower 
seeds for research purposes. 

Under the Indo-Danish Technical 
Cooperation Agreement, the services of a 
Danish Fxpert have been obtained for a 


period of 38 months from 14th October, 
1970 to advise us on matters relating to 
cultivation of Sugar beet and Beet Seed 
production. 

Mithila University 

2942. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a modern vMithila) Univer- 
sity at Darbhanga in Bihar has been estab- 
lished; and 

(b) if so, the University Grants Com- 
mission's assistance to the same ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Accor- 
ding to the information furnished by the 
Government of Bihar, the Mithila Univer- 
sity has started functioning with head- 
quarters at Darbhanga. 

(b) Under the University Grants Com- 
mission (Amendment) Act, 1972, no grant 
can be given to the University unless the 
Commission has after satisfying itself in such 
maiters as may be prescribed, declared the 
University to be fit for receiving such grant. 
The question of assistance, if any, will be 
considered after the University approaches 
the Commission and after taking into consi- 
deration the provisions of the University 
Grants Commission Act. 

Setting up of Agricultural Polyltechnics 

2943. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to set 
up agricultural polytechnics; and 

(b) if so, the main details thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) In pursuance of the recommenda- 
tions of the Education Commission (1964-66) 
ICAR in consultation with lhe Department 



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Written Answers 166 


of Agriculture, Ministry of Agreculture has 
decided to initiate a scheme of Agriculture 
Polytechnics mainly for middle level training, 
vocational training and inservice training in 
specialised fields. A working group has 
been set up to work out the details of the 
scheme. In order to gain experience five 
Agriculture Polytechnics as pilot projects 
are proposed to be started during the 4th 
Plan Period : 

1. Horticulture Polytechnic 

2. Dairy polytechnic 

3. Multiple cropping polytechnic 

4. Dryland farming polytechnic, and 

5. Agriculture Engineering polytechnic 

To begin with emphasis would be laid 
on inservice training and technical literacy 
drive so that these program nes do not in 
any way add to the unemployment problem. 

The pattern of assistance has yet to be 
decided. The details, such as location, 
staffing etc., are yet to be worked out. 

Mini-Kit-Programme for Rice 

2944. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a rice mini-kit programme 
has been sponsored by Government and 
I.C.A R. with the Cooperation of Fold 
Foundation in order to mtesify ex'ension 
efforts; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the pro- 
gramme? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SlllNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 
The Government of India, in collaboration 
witn 1 C.A.R., have taken up a Central 
Sector Scheme on Rice Minikit Programme. 

(b) The main features of the progra- 
mme are : 

(i) distribution of minikits contain- 
ing 3 Kg. of seed pf ep?h of 


the two indentified varieties 
suitable for different agro- 
climatic conditions; 

(ii) training of extension personnel 
responsible for the implementa- 
tion of the programme at the 
field level; 

(lii) seed multiplication of the varie- 
ties included in the programme; 
and 

(iv) evaluation of the trials in the 
field with a view to judging the 
reaction of farmers. 

Construction of Dry Dock In Calcutta 
to build bigger ships 

2945. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH . 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to State : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to 
construct a new Dry Dock to build bigger 
ships in Calcutta; 

(b) whether the Dock is being cons- 
tructed with foreign collaboration; and 

(c) if so, the nature and terms of the 
collaboration and the date by which the 
dock is likely to be constructed? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Garden 

Reach Workshops Limited, Calcutta, are 
expanding their present Dry Dock to a 
bigger Dry Dock of size 188 meters x 27 
meters x 10 meters, as a part of their expan- 
sion and modernisation plan, to enable 
them to construct ocean going vessels upto 
28,000 DWT. The expanded Dry Dock is 
expected to be completed by July 1973. No 
foreign collaboration is envisaged for this 
project. 

Delegates to 14th International Youth 
Science Fortnight 

2946. SHRI NARANDER SINGH : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 



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(a) whether a delegation consisting of 
three students has gone to London to partici- 
pate at the 14th International Youth Science 
Fortnight; 

(b) if so, names of the delegates ; 

(c) the names of the authorities respon- 
sible for their selection ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) to (c). Government has no 
information. No such delegation has been 
sponsored by Gavernment. 

Food Poisoning in certain Schools in 
Trivandrum 

2947. SHRI RAMKANWAR : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there have been several 
ca5es of suspected food poisoning in certain 
schools in Trivandrum recently; 

(b) whether free food through the good 
offices of Cooperative for American Relief 
Everywhere (CARE) is being supplied; 

(c) if so, the details thereof; 

(d) whether Government of India 
have stopped supply of the CARE food to 
school children; and 

(e) reasons for imposing such a ban 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) i (a) There was 
a report of suspected food poisoning from 
a lower primary school at Attmgal near 
Trivandrum. No chemical toxin was detec- 
ted. A few cases have been confirmed 
bacteriologically as Cholera cases subse- 
quently. 

(b) Yes. 


(c) Under the Indo-CARE Agreement 
of 1950, a Mid-day Meals Programme with 
CARE assistance, is being implemented io 
the State Sector by the State/Union Terri- 
tory Governments of Andhra Pradesh, 
Gujarat, Haryana, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, 
Maharashtra, Mysore, Orissa, Punjab, 
Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh, West 
Bengal and Pondicherry. CARE supplies 
the food commodities (corn- flour, bulgar 
wheat, rolled wheat, milk powder, corn, 
soyabean, CSM, Salad 0.1 and Milk Bread) 
free of charge at the Indian ports to the 
State/Union Territory Governments. The 
States/Union Territory Governments bear 
clearance and other administrative 
charges for the distribution of the 
the food to the children and also the CARE 
cost in New York on the packing, labelling 
of the consignments before shipment and in 
India on the pay and allowances of the 
Indian personnel and the maintenance of 
CARE offices at the State capitals under 
an American Administrator. According to 
CARE, the States/Union Territories propose 
to cover a total number of 110.19 lakh 
children during 1972-73. 

(d) and (e). The Central Government 
have not issued any orders banning the distri- 
bution of CARE food to school childern. 
Due to suspected food poisoning the State 
Government issued instructions to suspend 
temporarily CARF feeding in the State. 

Demands of Employees of I.LT. 

New Delhi 

2948. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the employees of the Indian 
Institute of Technology, New Delhi had 
lecently conducted an agitation including 
Gherao in support of their demands; 

(b) the demands made by the employees; 
and 

(c) the efforts made to come to an 
agreement with the employees on these 
demands ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) to (c). 
A Charter pf Demgqds was presented by 



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come of the employees is of the Idian Ins- 
titute of Technology, Delhi to the Director 
of the Institute on 31st May, 1972. There 
were nine demands presented by the emp- 
loyees. The demands are mainly related to 
the following : 

(i) Recognition of the Employee*s 
Union; 

(ii) Constitution of an Administrative 
Standing Committee; 

(iii) Withdrawal of disciplinary cases; 

(iv) Preparation of Gradation Lists; 

(v) Regularisation of temporary emp- 
ees; 

(vi) Implementation of all rules and 
orders of Govt; 

(vii) Representation of the I.I.T. employees 
on the Board of Governors; 

(viii) Change of designation of some of 
the staff; 

(ix) Provision of promotion opportuni- 
ties to class IV staff. 

(x) Campus facilities and amenities to be 
extended to all the employees. 

On receipt of Charter of Demands, the 
Chairman of the Board of Governors after 
discussing the matter with some of the 
members of the Board appointed a Sub- 
committee of theBurd of Governors on 
2nd June, 1972 to look into the various 
demands of the staff. 

The Committee submitted their recom- 
mendations to the Baard on 22nd July, 
1972. 

The report of the Committee was consi- 
dered by the Board of Governors in its 
meeting held on 22nd of July, 1972. While 
the meeting was going on, some of the 
employees gheraoed the members of the 
Board from 11 A. M. to 5 P.M. and did 
not permit them to come out. 

The Board has accepted the recommen- 
dations of the Committee and asked the 
Director to constitute a Staff Committee 


consisting of the representatives of the 
faculty and others which would act as an 
Advisory Committee. Action on all other 
matters recommended by the Sub-Committee 
and accepted by the Board of Governors is 
being taken. 

Social Security Measures In Fifth 
Plan 

2949. SHR1 M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Conference of the State 
Ministers for Social Welfare held recently 
in New Delhi has discussed the approach 
to social security in Fifth Plan; 

(d) if so, the views expressed at the 
Conference; and 

(c) whether any tentative estimates have 
been made as to the funds required for 
social security measures in the Fifth Plan? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE (SHRI K.S. RAMASWAMY) : 
(a) and (b). This was one of the items in- 
cluded in the agenda for the Conference 
but could not be discussed in detail. The 
State Ministers, however, were requested to 
let the Central Government have their pro- 
posals for the Fifth Plan at an early date. 

(c) The financial implication of the pro- 
posals contained in the agenda paper was 
estimated to be Rs. 758 crores . 

Extension of activities and Programme 
of Worker’s Soc al Education 
Institutes 

2950. SHRI T S. LAKSHMANAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the recommendations contained fa 
the report submitted by the 5-member expert 
group set up to formulate concrete pro- 
posals for the expansion of the activities 
and programmes of the Workers' Social 
Education Institutes; 

(b when was the report submitted; 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 172 


(c) whether this report has been consi- 
dered by the National Board of Adult Edu- 
cation; and 

(d) if so, the action being taken by 
Government to implement the recommen- 
dations 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHR1 K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Recommendations made by 
the Expert Group are laid on the Table of 
the House. [ Placed in Library See No. 
LT-3462/72 ] 

(b) The Expert Group submitted the 
Report in February, 1971. 

(c) Summary of the Report of the Ex- 
pert Group was placed before the Board in 
its meeting held on 21.7.1972. 

(d) The Report of the Expert Group is 
being sent to the Workers* Social Education 
Institutes to implement those recommenda- 
tions which have been accepted by the 
Government of India. 

Pilot projects for Eradication of 
lllitercy in Selected Districts 

2951. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) when were the recommendations 
made by the National Board of Adult 
Education for formulating Pilot Project for 
eradication of illiteracy in Selected Districts; 

(b) the details of the draft scheme which 
has been prepared for complete eradication 
of illiteracy among six million illiterate 
adualts in Selected Districts in the first phase 
of the Fourth Plan; 

(c) for how long this draft scheme is 
under the consideration of Ministry of 
Finance: and 

(d) whether there is any possibility of 
this scheme being implemented before the 
end of Fourth Five Year Plan 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 


SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S.‘ RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) In May, 1970. 

(b) The scheme envisages the eradica- 
tion of illiteracy on a mass basis in a phased 
manner beginning with 20 districts. It also 
envisages maximum public participation. 

(c) The scheme is under consideration 
of the State Governments. When the reac- 
tion of all the State Governments has been 
ascertained, it will be considered by the 
Ministry of Finance. 

(d) This depends on the State Govern- 
ments. 

Prosposal from Peru (S, America) for 

setting up Pilot project for Buffalo 
Breeding Centre 

2952. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any proposal for setting up a pilot project 
for Buffalo Breeding Centre in Peru, South 
America , and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Question does not arise. 

Seminar on Abuse of Drugs by Youths 

2953. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a two-day Seminar was 
held on the 28th July, 1972 about the abuse 
of drugs by youth ; 

(b) if so, whether any recommenda- 
tions were made to Government ; and 

(c) If so, the reaction of Government 
to those recommendations 7 



173 Written Answers 


SKAVaNA 30,1894 (SARA) Written Answers 174 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. The Delhi Admi- 
nistration organised a two-day Seminar on 
'Drug Abuse and Youth* on 28th and 29th 
July, 1972. 

(b) and (c). The recommendations of 
the Saminar were not received by the 
Government of India. These were received 
by the Delhi Administration and are being 
examined by them. 

Expansion of Shipping Corporation of 
India 

2954. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
expand the working of the Shipping Cor- 
poration of India ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the pro- 
posal and the steps taken in that direction ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
(a) and (b). The Shipping Corporation has 
acquired a fleet of 77 vessels of 8 71 lakhs 
GRT (13 00 lakhs DWT) With the acqui- 
sition of the shares of the Jayanti Shipping 
Company in October 1971, the fleet of the 
Jayanti Shipping Company comprising 16 
vessels of 2.95 lakhs GRT (4.81 lakhs 
DWT) has also come under the ownership 
of the Shipping Corporation. In addition, 
the Corporation has already placed orders 
tor 39 ships totalling over 1 million GRT 
(1.6 million DWT) with Shipyards in India 
and abroad, as a part of its Fourth Plan 
expansion programme. The Corporation 
intends to further expand its fleet and acti- 
vities during the Fifth Plan period. It also 
intends to expand its activities and extend 
its services to other areas, consistent with 
the requirements of the country’s inter- 
national trade and their commercial viabi- 
lity. In the Corporation’s future expansion 
programme, more emphasis is laid upon 
diversification of its fleet through the deve- 
lopment of the bulk carrier, tanker and 
other specialised trades, where the partici- 
pation of the Indian Shipping is at present 
inadequate. 


Centra! Assistance of Andhra Pradesh 
for Drought Situation 

2955. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have granted 
any help to the Andhra Pradesh Govern- 
ment to face drought situation in the State; 

(b) if so, the details thereof and to 
what extent ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) and (b). 
A ceiling of Rs. 5 90 crores was fixed for 
the purpose of Central financial assistance 
for drought relief measures during the 
period Apnl-June, 1972. 

In view of the continuing drought con- 
ditions after June, 1972, the State Govern- 
ment has requested for a review of the 
situation and an assessment of the require- 
ments of funds for the subsequent period 
by a Central team. 

Pending the assessment by the team, 
the State Government also requested for an 
ad-hoc assistance of Rs. 5 crores against 
which a loan of Rs. 2.50 crores has already 
been sanctioned to the State Government. 

The Central team is also being consti- 
tuted and wt 11 be visiting the State shortly. 

(c) Does not arise. 

• * 

Installation of Gamma .Irradiation unit 
in Osman im University 

2956. SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the first gamma irradiation 
unit of Indian design has been installed in 
in Osmania University recently and if so, 
the broad features thereof ; 

(b) the progress achieved in this regard; 
and 



175 Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 176 


(c) the approximate amount spent for 
the unit installed 7 


THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. A one-thousand curie Cobalt-60 
Gamma shine specially designed and fabri- 
cated indigenously by the Isotope Division 
of the Bhaba Atomic Research Centre, 
Bombay has been installed at the Genetics 
Departments of Osmania University. The 
Unit is designed primarily for biological 
research. It provides an intense field of 
gamma radiation over an extended region. 
It has provision to have experiments con- 
ducted both on agricultural stocks and live 
stocks. 

(b) The Unit is in full operation and is 
being used for the studies on preservation 
of foods by irradiation. 

(c) A sum of about Rs. 2 lakhs has 
been spent on the Unit and the building. 

Import of flshiog vessels from U- S- S. R. 

2957. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken a 
final denision regarding the import of fish- 
ing vessels from U. S. S. R. for deep sea 
fishing ; 


(b) if so, the main features thereof and 
how many of the imported vessels have 
been demanded by the Kerala Government 
for the execution of its fisheries develop- 
ment project ; and 

(c) the reaction of the Central Govern- 
ment thereto ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHBB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
An Agreement on Cooperation in the field 
of Marine and Inland fisheries is being 


negotiated with the Government of U S.S.R. 
The proposed Agreement is in general terms 
and does not specify the number of type of 
vessels to be imported. The question of 
earmarking vessels for allotment to Kerala 
or other States does not, therefore, arise. 
In accordance with the approved policy, 
indigenous capacity for construction of deep 
sea fishing vessels should be fully utilised. 
The balance of vessels will be obtained 
under the proposed Agreement to the extent 
of availability. The situation will, there- 
fore, have to be reviewed in the context of 
the Agreement after it has been concluded. 


Central Assistance to Kerala for expan- 
sion of cashew cultivation 


2958. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 


(a) whether Government are aware of 
the necessity to increase the cashew cultiva- 
tion in the country to decrease our depen- 
dence on other countries for the supply of 
raw cashew nuts ; 


(b) if so, the steps taken in that 
direction ; 


(c) whether Government of Kerala have 
asked for any financial assistance for the 
development of cashew cultivation in that 
State ; and 


(d) if so. the reaction thereto ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHJNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) The Government of India have 
taken up the following Centrally sponsored 
schemes in the Fourth Plan in the mgjor 
cashew growing Slates to step up the pro- 
duction of cashew in the country • 



177 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (&4C4) Written Answers t78 


Scheme 


1. Production of cashtw 
air-layers : 

2. Organisation of demons- 
tration plots : 

?. Adoption of plant pro- 
tection measures : 

4. Marketing surveys : 

The cashew development programme in 
the Central Sector has been further augmen- 
ted with the implementation of a scheme on 
Special Package Programme on cashew and 
area expansion in the departmental planta- 
tions to cover 5,000 hectares under each in 
the different States at a total outlay of 
Rs. 100 lakhs in the last two years of the 
Fourth Plan. 

(c) No specific assistance has been asked 
for by the Government of Kerala. 

(d) Does not arise. 

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Physical Target 
for IV Plan 

Financial outlay 
for IV Plan 


(Jb. in lakhs) 

2,75,000 nos. 

3.30 

1.500 „ 

13.50 

93.240 acres 

50.38 


4.82 


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Sun flower cultivation 

2960. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have ascer- 
tained the names of the States in the 
country, where sun flower cultivation is 
possible ; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof and 
whether sun flower cultivation is also 
possible in any part of Bihar ; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof 7 

the minister of state in the 

MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHlNDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Extensive trials carried out 
during the last three years have indicated 
the suitability of imported sunflower strains 
to different seasons and areas. The details 
of the regions and the seasons in which 
suu flower can be grown are given below • 


179 Written Answers 

AUGUST 21, 1972 

Written Answers 180 

Season 

Regions suitable 

Variety suttable 

1. Khar if 

(June-July showing 

and October-Nov. 
harvesting.) 

1. Central region covered by 
adjoining areas of Maha- 
rashtra. M. P. # Gujarat, 
Rajasthan and Bundel- 

khand region. 

Vhiimk or Peredavik in 
Maharashtra and M. P., 
Armavirskij in Gujarat, 
Rajasthan and Bundel- 

khand. 

2. Kharif 

(June-July sowing 

and October-Nov. 
harvesting) 

2. Southern region : 

Raichur in Mysore and 

Coimbatore and Salem 

in Tamil Nadu. 

Armavirskij. 

3. Rabi 

(Nov. Feb.) 
irrigated if 

3. Kolhapur and Jalgaon 

regions of Maharashtra. 

Armavirskij. 

necessary. 

4. AhmeiJabad district of 

Gujari t. 

Viniimk 


5. Terai region of Uttar 
Pradei h. 

Voiimk 


6. West Bengal. 

Peredavik 


7. Coimbatore and Salem 

of Ta nil Nadu. 

Armavirskij 


8. Telengana of A. P. 

Armaverts 

4. Summer 
(irrigated) 

March-June. 

9. Gangeiie Plains of Cen- 
tral anJ Western Uttar 

Pradesh. 


Sunflower was tried during Kharif season under the All India Coordinated Oilseeds 
Improvement Project in Bihar. The kharif crop was not very successful. Further experi- 
ments art being conducted at Kanke and Pusa in Bihar under the All India Project to explore 
the suitability of Sun Flower in that State. 



181 Written Answers 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (J5AKA) 


Written Answers 182 


Bihar far behind in construction and 
development of National Highways 


2961. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPQRT be pleased to state : 


(a) whether Bihar is behind its Fourth 
Plan target on the construction and deve- 
lopment of National Highways and out of 
total allocation of Rs. 44 5 crores includ ing 
Rs. 27.5 crores for sanctioned schemes , only 
3.5 crores have been spent so far; 


(b) if so, the reasons therefor and 
whether the Central Government has asked 
the State G overnment for such delayed 
action and slow progress in construction of 
National Highways; and 


(c) if so, the reply Government of 
Bihar has given to the Centre and what 
further steps the Centre propose to take to 
remove the malady ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c). Estimates sanc- 
tioned to date total to Rs 31.79 crores 
against Rs. 44 5 crores assessed to be the 
cost of development works on National 
Highways in Bihar during the Fourth Plan. 
The expenditure incurred till 31st March, 
1972 is Rs. 7.33 crores. 


The reasons for the relatively slow pro- 
gress in the execution of National Highway 
works in Bihar have been discussed recently 
with the State Public Works Department 
officers. The main reasons for slow pro- 
gress have been the delay in acquisition of 
land and settlement of tenders for works, 
besides difficulty in transportation of bitu- 
men and contractual problems. The State 
P,W,D. have been asked lo expedite settle- 


ment of contracts and push up the works. 
They have indicated that during the current 
financial year (1972-73) the expenditure on 
works would be of the order of Rs. eight 
crores. 


Rules framed for appointment to certain 
Posts in Delhi Milk Scheme 


2962. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be plea- 
sed to state : 


(a) whether any Rules had been framed 
for appointment to the Posts of Inquiry 
Officer, Personnel Officer and Administra- 
tive Officer in the Delhi Milk Scheme as 
envisaged in the provision to Article 311 of 
the Constitution; and if so, whether he 
would lay a copy thereof on the Table; 


(b) the manner in which the appoint- 
ments to these posts had been made present- 
ly; 


(c) whether some appointments are 
being reversed despite the fact that the 
incumbents thereof fulfilled the prescribed 
conditions regulating the respective appoint- 
ments; and 


(d) if so, the reasons therefor and steps 
taken or proposed to be taken to set matters 
right and retain the status quo 7 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Recruitment Rules 
have been framed under Article 309 of the 
Constitution of India for regulating appoint- 
ments to three posts. A copy each of the 
Recruitment Rules is laid on the Table of 
the House. [Placed in Library See No. 
LT-3463/72 J. 


(b) The position regarding appointraeut 
to these posts is as under ; 



183 Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 184 


Designation Number 


(1) 

Inquiry Officer 

1 

(2) 

Personnel Officer 

1 

0 ) 

Administrative 

Officer 

2 

(b) 

Does not arise. 



(c) No The incumbent in the post of 
the Inquiry Officer holding it an ad-hoc basis, 
has been reverted because he does not 
fulfill the conditions or the Recruitment 
Rules. 

(dj Does not arise. 

Machinery to supervise Land Ceiliag 
Legislation and its implementation 

2963. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state ; 

(a) whether any machinery is being set 
up or is likely to be set up to see that land 
ceiling legislations are enacted and imple- 
mented properly and uniformly; and 

(b) the suggestions for Land ceiling 
received from Hill States and other areas 
exempted from the operation of ceiling laws 
and targets being fixed for them 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) ; (a) Enact- 
ment and implementation of land ceiling 
legislation is the responsibility of the State 
Governments. Revenue machinery exists 
for the purpose in each State and it will be 
strengthened wherever the situation warrants. 

(b) The Chief Ministers’ Conference has 
recommended that in special cases like 
desert areas and hilly areas the ceiling limit 
for dry hods may bp relaxed by the con* 


Position of Appointment 


This post was filled on an ad-hoe 
basis by appointment of a Class II 
officer of the D.M.S. for the period 
from 31.1. 1970 (A.N.) to 31.7.72, 

This post was filled on an ad-hoc 
basis with effect from 1st July, 1971 
by deputation of Class II Central 
Secretariat service officer. 

One post is filled in accordance with 
the Recruitment Rules by promo- 
tion. Aetion to fill the other post 
by deputation is in progress. 


earned State Governments after discussing 
specific cases with the Union Ministry of 
Agriculture. No proposals in this regard 
have so far been received from any State 
Government. 

Improvement in working of Social 
Welfare Programme 

2964. SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the measures adopted and being en- 
forced to bring about improvement in the 
working of the Social Welfare Programmes 
in the country; 

(b) whether the financial targets meant 
for social welfare have been or are being 
increased as compared to previous years and 
if so, the main features thereof; 

(c) whether arrangements exist to see 
that the organisations or administrative 
machinery for the purpose is suitably 
manned and harnessed to carry on the work 
satisfactorily; and 

(d) whether there is or is likely to be 
set up any Central agency to coordinate 
activities in States in this behalf? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWA MY) : (a) Various measures are adop- 
ted according to i equipments to bring about 
improvement in the working of the 
Welfare Programmes in the country. 



S5 Written Answers 


SR A VAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 186 


Recently important topics were consi- 
dered by a Conference of State Ministers 
for Backward Classes and Social Welfare 
held on 23rd July. 1972 such as : — 

(I) A new Strategy for Tribal Develop- 
ment. 

(? j Removal of Untouchability. 

(3) Reorganisation of the Central Social 
W dfare Board. 

(4> The Roles of Government and 
Voluntary Agencies in Social Welfare 

(5) Social Security in the Fifth Plan. 

(6) Rehabilitation of the persons affec- 
ted by dacoity and of the families of 
the ex-dacoits. 

Recommendations made by the Confe- 
rence will be considered and implemented 
t>y the State Governments. 


The Annual Plans of State Governments 
are discussed at the Central level by experts 
in the field of Social Welfare and the Plan- 
ning Commission where guidelines and 
improvements are suggested. 

Study Teams/Expert Committees are 
set up to go into the working of the pro- 
grammes and to make suitable recommenda- 
tions. 

The enforcement is mostly with the 
State Governments where the projects are 
implemented at the ground level. 

Evaluation studies in respect of impor- 
tant programmes are undertaken from time 
to time and improvements suggested, where* 
ever necessary. 

(b) Financial targets have been raised 
according to the needs of the various pro- 
grammes. The year-wise expenditure on 
Social Welfare Programmes in the Central 
Sector during the past 3 years of the Fourth 
Plan and budget provision for 1972-73 are 
as under : 


(Rupees in lakhs) 


Expenditure 

Expenditure 

Expenditure 

Provision 

1969-70 

1970-71 

1971-72 

1972-73 



(Anticipated ) 


Hi. 294.37 

Rs. 513.71 

Rs. 1,479.48 

Rs. 2,563.52 



(including expendi- 

(including Spe- 



ture on Special 

cial Nutrition 



Nutrition Pro- 

Programme.) 



gramme) 

i t 



Special Nutrition Progremme for child- 
ren has been given special consideration 
and the allocation of Rs. 10 crores provided 
in 1971-72 has been enhanced to Rs. 21.5 
crores in 1972-73. 

(•) Yes. 

(d) The Department of Social Welfare 
at the Central level performs this role. 


Setting up of Russian equipped 
Paediatric Ward in the Medical 
College, Alleppy 


2965. SHR1 M. S. S1VASWAMY : 

SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF: 


Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to stale ; 


187 Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers 188 


(a) whether Government have given 
clearance for setting up of a Russian equip- 
ped I00»bed Paediatric Ward in the Medical 
College, Alleppy; and 

(b) if so, the time by which the Ward 
is likely to be set up and start functioning ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). 
No offer of aid for setting; up of a Russian 
equipped 100 bed Paediatric Ward in the 
T. D. Medical College Alleppy has been 
received by the Government of India from 
the Government of USSR However, a 
proposal was received from Government of 
Kerala for seeking assistance from the 
Government of U.S.S R. for setting up of 
two units, one each for Physiotherapy and 
Paediatrics in the above college. The pro- 
posal has been carefully considered and it 
was felt that in the present stage of develop- 
ment an medical specialities m the country, 
there is hardly any need to seek foreign 
assistance to start new units in Paediatrics 
and Physiotherapy Departments in Alleppy 
Medical College. The general condition of 
this Medical College is far from satisfactory 
and the institution should first concentrate 
on providing the necessary staff and equip- 
ment for basis disciplines before thinking of 
starting specialised departments. The Stale 
Government has been informed accordingly. 

However, on the request of the Govern- 
ment ol Kerala tho Government of India 
have approved of the receipt as gift of 
various items of equipments from the 
Government of U.S.S. R. for use in the 
Paediatrics Department of the Medical 
College at Alleppy. The Government of 
U S.S.R. have already been requested to 
release equipments to the Government of 
Keral a. 

Dry Dock to build bigger ships 

2966. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to be state : 

(a) whether Government have chalk d 
out a plan to have new dry dock to build 
bigger ships m the country; and 


(b) ; f so, the broad outlines thereof 
and the progress achieved in this regard 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA): (a) and (b). The Cochin 
Shipyard Projects includes the construction 
of a dry dock measuring 255 metres X 42.8 
metres X 9 metres This dock is expected to 
be completed by April 1974 and is designed 
to build ships upto 85,000 DWT. Tenders 
for construction of this dock have been 
received and are under evaluation. 

Butter Oil imported by Delhi Milk 
Scheme 

2967. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total quantity of butter oil 
imported by the Delhi Milk Scheme during 
the last two years country-wise-and the cost 
thereof; 

(b) the life of this commodity and the 
use to which it is being put; 

(c) the quantity of butter-oil as on the 
1st July, 1972 held in stock by the D.M.S. 
and the manner in which it is being pre- 
served; and 

(d) how it is proposed to consume it 
and the period in which the entire quantity 
will be consumed 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH): (a) During the period 
1.7 70 to 30.6.72, Delhi Milk Scheme 
received through Indian Dairy Corporation, 
Baroda 1.701 tonnes of imported butter oil 
at a cost of about Rs. 1.65 crores. The 
country-wise breakup of the imported butter 
oil has not been recorded by Delhi Milk 
Scheme 

(b) The keeping quality of butter oil is 
about 6 months to one year in sealed tins, 
if kept in cold storage. The butter oil is 
being used by D.M S. for recombination of 
Milks. 



189 Written An* wen 


SR A V ANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 


(c) The qty. of butter oil in stock of 
D.M.S. as on 1-7-72 was 81.8675 Tonnes. 
Butter oil is kept in DMS in the cold 
storage. 

(d) Butter oil is used alongwith fresh 
milk for the production of standardised and 
toned milk. Generally butter oil is received 
by Delhi Milk Scheme fortnightly from 
Indian Dairy Corporation and the stocks are 
utilised within 2 months. 

Inadequate supply of water in *L’ and 
4 M’ Blocks of Sarojini Nagar, 

New Delhi 

2968. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 6845 on 
the 22nd May, 1 1972 regarding scarcity of 
water supply in ‘L' and ( M’ Blocks, Sarojini 
Nagar, New Delhi and state : 

(a) whether he is aware that since 
March last, not a trickle of water is coming 
in the lavatories in these blocks thus causing 
considerable inconvenience apart from 
causing health hazards to the allottees; 

(b) whether the water supply in the 
day too is hardly sufficient to meet the bare 
needs for daily use; and 

(c) if so, time which is likely to be 
taken to ensure adequate supply of water 
both for lavatories and other daily use to 
the allottees in these two Blocks ? 

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. Due to low pressure in the water 
mains maintained by the New Delhi Muni- 
cipal Committee, water does not reach the 
overhead takes during the summer months. 

(b) and (c). There is no difficulty of 
water supply for the ground floor flats of L 
& M Blocks to meet the daily needs. The 
first floor flats also get water supply but for 
a lesser number of hours depending upon 
the pressure in the water mains of the New 
Delhi Municipal Committee. The work of 
providing separate distribution lines to the 


first floor flats, in replacement of the existing 
t omraon connections to the both the ground 
floor and the first floor flats in the hand and 
is likely to be completed shortly. On comple- 
tion of this work, water supply to the first 
floor flats will improve to some extent. 
Further improvement will take place when 
the New Delhi Municipal Committee would 
connect the dead ends of the water supply 
distribution cricuit which work is expected 
to be completed by them within a period of 
about 2 months. 

Allotment of Government Accommodation 

at the time of Retirement and during 
Ke-Employmeot in ondertaking 

2969. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
1NG be pleased to state: 

(a) the guidelines laid down for the 
allotment of Government accommodation in 
Delhi/New Delhi to the Officers on deputa- 
tion to the various Central Government 
undertakings or those who happen to occupy 
Government accommodation at the time of 
retirement and continue to occupy it even 
after their retirement and during re-employ' 
ment in the Undertakings; 

(b) the rate at which rent is recovered 
from this class of Officers; 

(c) whether he would lay on the Table 
a statement showing the names of such 
Officers who continue to occupy Govern- 
ment accommodation during their re-employ- 
ment in a Government undertaking as on 
the 1st July, 1972 and the period upto which 
they have been/will be permitted to retain 
such accommodation; and 

(d) whether Government propose to 
review their policy, in this behalf ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and 
(b). According to the existing policy, offi- 
cers on deputation to Central Government 
undertakings are not eligible for allotment 
of general poo] accommodation. The 
Central Government employees, who had 
gone on deputation to various public under- 



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192 


likings prior to the 16th December, 1966 
tnd were in occupation of general pool 
accommodation, have been allowed to retain 
that accommodation agaiost payment of 
licence fee at market rates by the undertak- 
ing concerned. The employees; who have 
gone on deputation to such undertakings on 
or after the 16th December, 1966, are not 
eligible to retain the accommodation in their 
occupation beyond the concessional period 
admissible under the rules. Government 
servants, who happened to be in occupation 
of general pool accommodation at the time 
of retirement, are not entitled to retain the 
same on their re-employment in public 
undertakings. 

(c) Only one officer, re-employed in 
Public undertaking namely, Shri T. K. 
Balasubramamam, has been pemitted to 
retain Government Accommodation allotted 
to him when he was in service, upto 16th 
October, 1972. 

(d) There is no proposal at present 
under consideration to review the existing 
policy . 

Restriction on supply of the Ghee from 
D-M.S. Stall in Parliament House 

2970. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Delhi Milk Scheme 
have rationed/restricted or proposed to 
ration/restrict the supply of Ghee at the 
P. H. Milk Stall to the M. Ps.; 

(b) if so, the scale fixed per mensem 
and the reasons for resorting to this step; 

(c) the monthly capacity of D.M.S to 
manufacture Ghee both in the lean and 
flush periods and to what extent it is being 
utilised; and 

(d) the steps taken or proposed to be 
taken to augment the supply of ghee which 
has got a ready market in the capital ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Efforts are 


made by Delhi Milk Scheme to meet fully 
the requirements of ghee to M Ps. through 
the Parliament House Milk Stall. However, 
during the lean summer season, there is a 
decline in the availability of fresh milk with 
the result that the manufacture of ghee has 
to be curtailed considerably. During this 
period, the supply of ghee to M. Ps. is 

regulated by Delhi Milk Scheme according 
to the availability of surplus fat from time 
to time. 


(c) Delhi Milk Scheme has the manu- 
facturing capacity of about 8 tonnes of 
ghee per day. However, the actual produc- 
tion of ghee depends upon the availability 
of surplus fat after meeting the liquid milk 
requirements of the Delhi citizens. During 
the flush winter season of 1971-72, as 
against the Plant capacity to manufacture 
1464 tonnes of ghee in 183 days of flush 
period, 285.625 tonnes of ghee could only 
be manufactured due to inadequate availabi- 
lity of surplus fresh milk. The quantity of 
ghee manufactured during the lean summer 
months is much less and is depending upon 
the reduced availability of surplus fat, from 
time to time. 

(d) Delhi Milk Scheme is primarily 
concerned with meeting the liquid milk 
requirements of Delhi citizens. The manu- 
facture of bye products like ghee is under- 
taken as and when there is surplus fat avail- 
able with the Scheme. Delhi Milk Scheme 
is continuing its efforts to increase the 
procurement of fresh liquid milk. 

Memorandum on fall in Price of 
arecanut in States 

2971. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any memorandum from the Arecanut gro- 
wers of Kerala, Mysore and other States 
about the steep fall in the price of Arcca- 
nnt; and 

(b) if so, the steps Govamment propose 
to taken in the matter to ensure the arecanut 
growers a fair price for their produce 7 



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Written Answers 194 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The various issues raised in the 
memoranda are being examined and the 
matter is under consideration of Go vern- 
ment. 

Employees of ICAR 

2972. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to stale : 

(a) the total number of employees work- 
ing in the I.C.A R. and their sta'us, 

(b) whether these employees belong to an 
autonomous body or a Government Depart- 
ment in view of the judgements of two diffe- 
rent High Courts on writ petitions praying 
for a clear statement of the status of the 
staff of the ICAR , 

(c) whether copies of those two judge- 
ments will be laid on the Table of the 
House; and 

(d) Government’s reaction thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The re- 
quisite information is being collected and 
will be placed on the Table of the Sabha 
as soon as possible. 

(b) Statement giving the required infor- 
mation is enclosed. 

(c) Copies of the judgements delivered 
in the Hon'ble High Courts in — 

(i) Civil Writ Petition No 266-D/66- 
Shri Rulya Ram V/s Union of 
India— in the Circuit Bench of 
Punjab High Court at Delhi; 

(ii) Civil Writ Petition No. 788 of 
1970 — Shri Partul Chandra Tha- 
kur V/s Union of India and 
others-in the High Court of Delhi 
at New Delhi; and 


(iii) Civil Wiit Petitions No. 88 to 91 
of 1971 — Shri G. N. Asthana and 
others V/s Union of India and 
otheis — m the High Court of 
Delhi at New Delhi. 

will be laid on the Table of the House in 
due course. Letters Patent Appeals Nos. 81 
and 82 of 1972 have been admitted against 
the judgements referred to in (in) above 
and are now pending disposal in the Hon* 
ble High Court of Delhi at New Delhi. 

(d) As the matter is sub-judice, Govern- 
ment have no comments to make at present. 

Statement 

(b) Id terms of the Government Reso- 
lutions constituting the Indian Council of 
Agricultural Research, the Council, on its 
institutional side, was set up as a society in 
1929 and registered under the Societies 
Registration Act oi 1860, but its Secretariat 
was, to start with Constituted as a regular 
Department of *hc Government and subse- 
quently as an Attached Office of the Depart- 
ment of Agriculture with effect from 
lMh January, 1939. The staff comprised of 
Government servants and the expenditure 
on the Secretariat was met from the Central 
Revenues. Till the year 1940, the Indian 
Council of Agricultural Research Secretariat 
comprised almost entirely of the servants of 
the Government of India, though some iso- 
lated clerical posts came to be created out 
of the Research Funds alongwith the re- 
search schemes for looking after the cleri- 
cal and accounts work. After the year 
1947, due to un overall increa se in the acti- 
vities of the Council and the inability of 
the Gpvcrnmenl to provide the requisite 
staff, additional staff was employed by the 
Council, from year to year, financed from 
its Research Funds. In this way, there 
came into existence a large number of minis- 
terial staff and some scientific and technical 
staff appointed by ih e Council, side by side 
with the staff provided by the Government 
of India in the Indian Council of Agricul- 
tural Research Secretariat. 


In 1963, the Government of India 
approved of the reorganisation of the Indian 
Council of Agricultural Research as a Cen- 
tral agency for conducting, promoting, guid- 



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ing and coordinating agricultural research 
and education in the country. Amongst 
others, the Governing decided that : — 

(i) administrative control of the vari- 
ous Central Research Institutes and 
Centres directly administered by 
the Departments of Food and 
Agriculture should be transferred 
to the Indian Council of Agricul- 
ture Research Society, 

(ii) the Indian Council of Agricultural 
Research Society should also 
assume administrative control of 
the Commodity Research Institutes 
consequent to the dissolution of 
the erstwhile Central Commodity 
Committees, and 

(iii) the Indian Council of Agricultural 
Research should have its own Sec- 
retariat and Office. 


In implementation o f the above decisions 
the administrative control of the Central 
Research Institutes mentioned in (i) above, 
was transferred to the I C.A R. Society by 
the Government of India in a phased pro- 
gramme commencing from 1st April, 1966. 
The Government staff employed at these 
Institutes was served with oplion documents 
for service under the ICAR. Society on 
certain terms and conditions decided upon. 
Such of the Government s»aff as have opted 
for the Council’s service, have been appoin- 
ted in the service of the Society. As legards 
those who have not yet opted for the Coun- 
cil’s service, they are being treated on 
Foreign Service with the Society. 

The I.C.A.R Society also took over a 
part of the staff of the Central Commodity 
Committees, including the staff employed at 
the Commodity Research Institutes, men- 
tioned in (n) above 


As regards (in) above, it was decided 
to convert the I C A R. Secretariat, which 
has been functioning as an Attached Office 
of the Department of Agriculture, into an 
ofTice wholly controlled and financed by the 
I.C.A.R. Society. Option documents were, 
therefore, served on the scientific, technical 


and Class IV staff employed in the Indian 
C ouncil of Agricultural Research Secretariat. 

No option papers were served on the senior 
administrative staff in the Indian Council 
of Agricultural Research Secretariat. As 
regards ministerial staff such as Section 
Officers, Assistants, Stenographers, Upper 
Division Clerks and Lower Division Clerks, 
it was decided that since they were members 
of the respective Central Secretariat Services, 
borne on the unified cadre of the Depart- 
ment of Agriculture, and were interchangea- 
ble, option documents should be served on 
the above staff borne on the cadre of the 
Department of Agriculture, including its 
Attached Offices; subject to the condition 
that the Indian Council of Agricultural 
Research will not accept more optees that 
the number of Government posts in the 
Indian Council of Agricultural Research 
Secretariat. 

Such of the staff as have opted for the 
Society’s service, have been appointed in 
the s e rvice of the Society. Other Govern- 
ment staff working in the I.C A.R. Secre- 
tariat, which is in the process of being con- 
verted into a non -Government office, con- 
tinue to be Government staff 

Besides, such of the persons as have 
been recruited by the I.C A.R Society, after 
commencement of reorganisation, either at 
the Research Institutes or at the Head- 
quarters of the Indian Council of Agucul- 
tural Research, are the employees of the 
Society, excepting those whose service have 
been taken on deputation foreign service. 

Survey of system and pattern of Secon- 
dary Education in West Bengal 

2973. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the National Council of 
Educational Research and Training, New 
Delhi, recently conducted a survey of the 
system and pattern of secondary education 
in West Bengal; and 

(b) if so, the main findings and recom- 
mendations thereof 7 



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Written Answers 198 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) No , Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Crash Programme for eradication of 
Illiteracy during 25th year of 
Independence 

2974. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
consideration to initiate a crash programme 
to eradicate illiteracy during the 25th year 
of Independence through the National ser- 
vice scheme; 

(b) if so, the mam features of the pro- 
posal; and 

(c) whether the services of the existing 
voluntary literacy organisations will be 
sought ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. R\M\- 
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Main features of the project are 
that National Service Scheme Volunteers 
will organise literacy drive with the help of 
local volunteers in selected aieas. 

(c) The services will be sought wherever 
necessary. 

Financial Assistance to Non Hindi 
speaking States for Hindi Education 

2975. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to slate 
whether any request from the Government 
of Kerala for the expansion of the scope 
of the centrally sponsored scheme of appoint- 
ment of Hindi teachers to cover pic-Um- 
versity and prc-Degree classes has been 
received and if so, the decisions thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K. S. RAMA- 


SWAMY) : Yes, Sir. However, due to 
lack of resources it will not be possible 
during ihe Fcuiih Five Year Plan to extend 
the scope of the Centrally Sponsored 
Scheme relating to the appointment of 
Hindi Teachers is non-Hindi speaking States 
to cover pre-Univcrsity and pre-Degree 
classes. The Government of Kerala have 
been informed accordingly. 

Amminia Cracker-Cuin-Burner Equip- 
ment for Kandla-Kaiol Fertilizer 
Complex in Gujarat ordered 
from a British Firm 


2976. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a huge Ammonia Cracker- 
cum Burner Equipment to be installed at 
the Kandla-Kibl Fertilizer Complex in 
Gujarat, has recently been ordered from a 
British Finn, Messers Wellmen Incandescent 
Furnace Company, S-nethwich; 

(b) if so, the cost and functions of this 
plant equipment and when it is likely to 
start functioning m India, 

(c) whether such an equipment has 
been installed elsewhere in the country and 
if so, how is it working; and 

Id) the reason why this equipment 
could not be fabricated in India, when India 
has the know how ? 

THE MI NISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHbB P. SHINDE) : (a) M/s. 

Humphreys & Glasgow Ltd. (London) who 
are one of (he contractors of 1FFCO are 
importing an Ammonia Cracker-cum- Burner 
for installation in the urea plant at Kalol. 

(b) The estimated cost of the equip- 
ment included m the lumpsum contract ii 
£ 20,000. The exact amount would be 
known only after the import of the equip- 
ment. The lunction of this equipment is to 
supply inert gas (nitrogen) for safe start-up 
and shut-down of the plant. The inert gas 
would also be used tor the plant preparation 
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which is part of the urea plant will start 
functioning when the plant is commissioned 
in March, 1974, according to present 
schedule. 

(c) Indian Explosives Ltd., Kanpur, 
the unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of 
India at Durgapur and Gujarat State Ferti- 
lizers Corporation, Baroda are some of the 
fertilizer plants which have installed ammonia 
cracker equipment for production of inert 
gas. It is understood that the working of 
the plants is satisfactory where these was 
package import and that it is unsatisfactory 
where part of the equipment was fabricated 
locally. 

(d) The import of equipment was 
allowed only after the procedure prescribed 
by the Directorate General of Technical 
Development was followed and there was no 
response to the advertisement in recommen- 
ded trade journals. 

Report of Indian Study Team appointed 

to observe Structure and Functioning 
of Social Welfare Machinery 
in Britain 

2977. SHR I S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
the report of the Indian Study Team which 
was appointed to observe the structure and 
functioning of the Social Welfare Machinery 
m Britain; 

(b) if so, the main recommendations 
and conclusions in that report; and 

(c) the decision of Government on that 
report ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHR1 K. S. RAMA- 
SWAMY) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The team recommended the follow- 
ing social security measures to be included 
in the Fifth Five Year Plan : — 

(i) Relief in the from of income to 
persons in total distress ; 


(a) All aged persons over the age of 
65 with no means of livelihood; 

(b) All orphans; 

(c) Persons suffering from severe 
physical handicaps; 

(d) All windows during the first 12 
month of their widowhood; 
and 

(e) All widows with childern upto 
the time their children leave 
school. 

(ii) The institutions providing relief 
should be rapidly expanded in 
scope and size of operations ; 

(a) Homes for the aged; 

(b) Orphanages, 

(c) Destitute Women’s Homes; 

(d) Day care cenlres, and 

(e) Training Centres & Homes for 
the Handicapped. 

(in) The existing nutritional services to 
chi Idem ot the age group 0 to 6 
should be expanded to cover at 
least 25% of the childern. The 
school lunch programme should 
also be similarly stepped up. 

(iv) The public health services should 
be expanded so as to bring them 
much nearer to the requirments of 
the population. 

Britain has achieved, in a broad 
sense, a minimum standard of living 
for its citizens. The study of the 
social secunty measures in U. K. 
cannot, however, serve as a model 
but it can certainly help in assigning 
priorities to various services as also 
in tackling different elements which 
form the core of social services in 
India. 


(c) The Government has not yet 
taken any decision on thesf 
recommendations. 



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for Interim Relief ( CA ) 


Meeting of Health State Secretaries 

2978. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a meeting of the Health 
State Secretaries and administrative medical 
Officers was held recently in Delhi; 

(b) whether that meeting discussed 
proposals for providing better rural health 
services; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. 
D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) Yes. 

(c) A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House [Placed in Libarary. See No. 
LT— 3464/72] 

Cujranwa’a Louse Building Co-operative 
Society, Delhi 

2979. SHRI DHAN SHAN 
PRADHAN: Will the Minister of WORKS 
AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any complaints have been 
received against the Gujranwala House 
Building Co-operative Society, Delhi in the 
matter of allotment of plots, revision of 
lay-out plan, handling of funds particularly 
the so called development fund' and refund 
of excess amount to those members of the 
Society who had paid for large plots but 
have been allotted smaller plots; 

(b) if so, the nature of those comp- 
laints and the action taken in the matter 
or proposed to be taken; 

(cj whether any enquiry has been 
ordered in the matter; and 

(d) if so, the result thereof and if not, 
the reasons therefor ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. 
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b) . 
Ceitain complaints were made by ths mem- 
bers of this society that they were not being 
allotted plots according to the category for 
which they were enrolled. Subsequently 
they withdrew the complaints and the society 
allotted plots to the members in the various 
categories strictly according to their seniority 
in each category. 

(c) and (d). In view of the position 
explained above, these questions do not 
arise. 


12.05 hrs. 

RE : MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT 

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— 

MR. SPEAKER : I will take up the 
adjournment motion after the call-attention. 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : According to Rule 60. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : I am going accord- 
ing to the rules and directions. ( Interruption ) 

SHR[ JYOTIRMOY BOSU : According 
to Rule 60, the adjournment motion is to be 
taken up immediately after questions and 
before the list of business is taken up. But 
if you want to modify it by your direction... 

MR. SPEAKER ; But, after we had 
gone through the Calliag Attention. This 
is the procedure we have followed for many 
years. There is nothing new. 


12.06 hrs. 

CALLING ATTENTION TO 
MATTER OF URGENT 

PUBLIC IMPORTANCE 

RBPORTED DEMAND OF CEMENT 
WORKERS FOR INTERIM 

relief 

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHA- 
PATRA (Balasore) : I call the attention of 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 Demend for Interim Relief (CA) 204 


the Minister of Labour and Rehabilitation 
to the following matter of urgent public 
importance and request that he may make a 
statement thereon : 


‘The reported demand of cement wor- 
kers for interim relief and Govern- 
ment’s reaction thereto.* 


THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND 
REHABILITATION (SHRI R. K. 
KHADILKAR) : Wages ofcenent workers 
have been revised on two occasions in the 
past on an industry-w»se basis, through the 
agency of tripartite Wage Boards. The first 
Wage Board was set up in 1958. At that 
time thero was no uniformity in the wages 
paid to cement workers at various places. 
The system of dearness allowance also 
differed from place to place. As a result 
of the recommendations of the First Wage 
Board, a standardised wage structure came 
into existence This meant a substantial 
increase over the then prevailing wages anc 
in some cases it exceeded Rs. 25/- per 
month. Moreover, payment of dearness 
allowance was linked to the cost of living 
index. 


A Second Wage Board for the Cement 
Industry was set up in September, 1964, 
Unfortunately, its report was not unani- 
mous. After discussions with the represen- 
tatives of employers and workers, Govern- 
ment decided to accept the recommendations 
subject to some modifications. It was also 
decided that the recommendations of the 
Wage Board, as accepted by Government, 
should remain in operation for a period of 
5 years. As a result of the Second Wage 
Board's recommendations, the workers were 
to get a guaranteed increase ranging from 
Rs. 10/- to Rs. 32.50 per month for diffe- 
rent categories of workers. 


Though the present wage structure, based 
on the recommendations of the Second 
Wage Board is to be operative upto the 
12th February, 1973, the cement workers 
started making demands from March, 1972 
for a further wage revision and payment 
of interim relief. The workers’ demand 
was that their wages bs raised to the same 
level as that of the Jteel workers who got 


a minimum wa ge of Rs. 240/- p.m. from 
1 st September, ] 970 as a result of the bila- 
teral ne gotiations with the employers. The 
employers’ contention is that any increase 
in wages must be accompanied by an in- 
crease in the retention price of cement. In 
this connection, I would like to mention 
that on 28th April, 1972, Government has 
made a reference to the Tariff Commi ssion 
for a comprehensive review of the cement 
industry, including the question of fair ex- 
works price payable to the producers. The 
question of wage-increase was discussed 
between the pasties and in this process they 
were assisted by the Chief Labour Commis- 
sioner (Central). No agreement could how- 
ever be reached and a notice of a strike 
from 12th July 1972 was served by the 
Unions. I intervened at this stage and on 
my assurance that a meeting would be held 
with the representatives of employers and 
workers to discuss the issues involved, the 
strike was postponed. 


At the meeting which I held with the 
representatives of the workers and employers 
on 1 1th July, 1972 in New Delhi, it was 
agreed to set up a Joint Wage Negotiating 
Committee consisting of the representative* 
of employers and workers, to consider the 
question of interim relief as well as the final 
wage structure for the Industry The Wage 
Negotiating Committee met in Bombay on 
27th July, 1972 but unfortunately, the nego- 
tiations did not succeed because of the 
divergent stands taken by the employers and 
workes. The various workers’ organisa- 
tions represented on the Negotiating 
Committee theieupon decided to go ahead 
with the geneial strike m the industry with 
effect from 17th August, 1972. I, therefore, 
requested the President, Cement Manufac- 
turer’s Association and the President, 
Indian National Cement and Allied Workers 
Federation to meet me on the 16th August 
1972 so that some way may be found out 
to settle the dispute. After a day-long dis- 
cussion and in consultation with the Minis- 
ter of Industrial Development, I proposed 
that an interim relief of Rs. 20/- might be 
paid to the workers from 1st July, 1972 and 
that a five-year wage settlement may be 
signed on the basis of a total wage of 
Rs. 230/- per month payable from the 1st 
February, 1973. I also proposed that 
matters like annual increments, rate of 
neutralisation from 1st February, 1973 etc. 



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could be discussed and settled later. Despite 
this the strike in the cement industry 
commenced on 1 7th A'ljut, 1972. I have, 
however, not given uo my efforts to find a 
solution and have called the representatives 
of both employers and workers to meet me 
again on the 21st August, that is, today. 

I hope that a mutually acceptable solution 
will be found and that the strike will be 
called off soon . 

SHRI SHYAM SUNDER MOHAPATRA : 
After the statement of the hon. Minister, 
that he has called the union leaders today 
on the 21st of August, 1972, for talks. I 
must consider myself to be really very for- 
tunate that what we discuss today will cer- 
tainly impress him to the extenr that he will 
agree to the demands of the workers. 

Sir, out of 54 cement industries in our 
country, workers in 52 industries are on 
strike It is one of the basic industries in 
the country like steel. 

The production of cement every day in 
the country is 40,000 tonnes. The earning 
is Rs. one croie per day. 

With this strike of 5 days, you can well 
imagine, we have lost Rs. 5 cr>res. 

Sir, v is a very serious situ ition. I call 
the atten ion of the hon. Mm ster to the 
fact that not one union alone .ias called a 
strike. But there are as many as 7 large 
unions which are involved in this strike. 
All these 7 unions have given the call for a 
strike. Even the C1TU which is an organ of 
the CPM is one of the co-sponsors of the 
strike. Thus, we cannot certainly say that 
workers have gone on strike without consi- 
dering the pros and cons. 

When all the unions are involved in this 
manner, the Mi nster is expected to probe 
into the matter an 1 see as to why the wor- 
kers went into the strike, particularly, at 
this juncture when the country is passing 
through a transition. 

We find from the newspapers that there 
is strike in one industry or the other every 
day. 

Already in Bombay there is the civic 
workers* strike. There is already a rumbl- 


ing in the Food Corporation of India. The 
strike in Khetri mines lasted more than a 
month. Throughout the country agitations 
are taking place on the bonus issue. Mr. 
Khadilkar has given an assurance that the 
minimum bonus of 8 33 par cent should be 
paid to all the wo kers. If this is not 
agreed to by the emloysrs there will ba 
country wide agitation in the eitire sub- 
continent. 

Sir, the industrialists in the cement 
industry have earned a lot, depriving the 
workers of their legitimate dues. The mini- 
mum wage in the steel industry is Rs. 240. 
The Cement workers have demanded that 
their wages should be brought on par with 
the steel workers. There is nothing wrong 
in it. The steel prices were twice revised 
giving the industry a price rise of over 
Rs 100 per tonne. Out of this Rs. 30 was 
meant for wage increase only. Now, here, 
in the case of Cement industry, the Govern- 
ment is prepared to giv: to the Cement 
industry only Rs. 2 per tonne against the 
price increase of Rs 4 per tonne, needed 
for paying the increased wage If Rs. 240 
was considered for the steel workers, 1 do 
not understand why in the cement industry 
the workers shauld not get the minimum of 
Rs. 230. 

The cement Workers had deferred the 
strike by one month on the reqeust of the 
hon. Minister When they could defer the 
strike ty one month on the request of the 
hon. Minister, what stood in tne way of 
the hon. Minister in persuading them to 
defer it by another one month so that he 
could discuss and settle the matter 7 The 
hon. Minister is very optimistic. He says 
in the last paragraph of his statement that : 

“I have, however, not given up my 
efforts to find a solution and have called 
representatives of both the employers 
and workers to meet me again on the 
21st. 1 hope that a mutually acceptable 

solution will be found out.” 

If he is so much optimistic, we offer our 
thanks to him. But why has he not been 
able to impress on the workers so that the 
country could have been saved of at least 
Rs. 5 crores till this moment ? 

The position is very critical now, 
because the workers are demanding an 



207 Cement Workers’ AUOUST 21, 1972 Demend for Interim Relief (CA) 20} 

[Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra] 


interim relief. Whsthsr ths interim relief 
should be Rs. 70 or it should be Rs 20 is 
a question which can be cinii Is red bilate- 
rally. But the question definitely is very 
important. My question to the hon. 
Minister is this. May I know whether he 
will be in touch immediately with the union 
leaders to settle the dispute to the satis- 
faction of both the parties, and whether he 
will see to it that there is no victimisation 
of the workers and that the workers will get 
their wages during the strike period, which 
is very important. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I have 
already stated in the concluding part of my 
statement, I had invited the representatives 
of the employers and the workers, and 1 
have met them since nine o' clock in the 
morning, and the differences are considerably 
nan owed down. 1 hope that we shall be 
able to reach a settlement by this evening. 
But important considerations are involved 
in this strike. For, if every industry were 
to ask for a linkage with steel, it will be a 
sort of wage inflation, which is not justified 
m the present context of the situation. 
Content industry is a village-based industry. 
That aspect also must be kept in mind 
Keeping these things in mind, we are consi- 
dering the interim and the final relief, and 
how to link it up with the index so that 
some sort of . . . 

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA (Alipore) : 
It is a village-based industry ? 

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : Almost 
all the cement factories are in the villages. 
This makes a lot of difference. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : So are the steel factories in 
the villages. 

SHRI R K. KHADILKAR : I must 
sa> that these three points are there, namely 
what should be the interim relief, how it 
should be linked up and to which index and 
what should be the rate of neutralisation. 

I hope that the difficulties will be overcome. 

But one thing I am insisting, so far as 
the interim relief is concerned, is that the 
industry should find the interim relief from 
their own resources instead of taxing the 
consumer. 


THRI S M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : At 
the very outset, I should congratulate the 
75,000 cement workers who have gone on 
strike against the arrogant attitude of the 
millowners who have earned fabulous profits 
during the last fifteen or twenty years. It 
is really very heaienmg that the hon. Labour 
Minister has taken pains to meet the union 
representatives in order to arrive at a 
negotiated settlement. But this is not the 
first time that this kind of thing has happened. 
Those who are Controlling the cement 
industry are a Powerful bloc, and they have 
always linked up the price of cement with the 
increase in wages. This time also, before 
they agree to pay the interim relief, whether 
it be Rs. 20 according to the hon. Minister 
or a higer interim relief as demanded by all 
the unions, they are trying to persuade or 
rather pressurise the Government to increase 
the price of cement. The hon . Minister 
has said that the linking of interim relief or 
any wage increase with steel will result in 
moie inflation Wage increase is not the 
whole cause of inflation. As ihe House 
and the country knows, Government are 
also responsible for this inflation because of 
their deficit financing. 


That has been agreed here. So the 
workers should not be held responsible for 
the inflation in the country because they are 
aski ng for more wages. Every workr in every 
industry is asking for a wage increase 
because this Government has miserably 
failed to hold the price line and reduce the 
prices to a reasonable level. Even after ail 
the assurances given in this House 15 or 
20 days ago, you will agree with me that 
the prices have not decreased in any 
commodity. The prices of all essential 
commodities have gone up and the Govern- 
ment remains a silent spectator of its own 
sorrow and shame. 

When recently the textile workers in 
Kanpur refused a one rupee increase, the 
employers ultimately agreed to give an 
interim relief of Rs. 30 at the instance of 
the Chief Minister and because a strike took 
place on the 17th of last month in which 
40,000 employees took part. In this case, 
a paltry sum of Rs. 20 is being given to 
them. It is said here that this is a five- 
year agreement and this Rs. 20 will be 
Jinked up to Rs. 230 per month. Jn these 



209 Cement Workers' SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Demand for Interim Relit f(CA) 210 


five years, the cement manufacturers will 
have earned crores of rupees but the 
worker's wage will remain at Rs. 230 for 
five years. 

I would like to know what is the 
demand of the workers now and what have 
they demanded in today's meeting, is it a 
fact that they do not agree to Rs. 20 and 
are not prepared to sign an agreement for 
five years unless this is linked up with steel 
wages, not arising out of the Wage Board 
recommendations but arising out of the 
tripartite arrangement which my hon, friend, 
the Minister of Steel, arrived at by dis- 
cussions across the table ? 

In case the employers do not agree to 
the proposals given by the hon Minister, 
what further steps will be taken against 
them? The DIR and MISA and oiher 
obnoxious and pernicious pieces of legislation 
are being used against employees, but what 
will be done to the employers if they emplo- 
yers if they do not agree ? If it is left to 
the employees and employers, the employees 
will be able to fight it out and extract 
Rs. 50 or Rs 60 as interim relief, if police 
are not sent in aid of the employees. 

My question is whether the price increase 
already agreed to will be in the interest of 
the consumer. It will be wrong to agree to 
this increase in price, what is Government’s 
proposal after hearing the employees' repre- 
sentatives at the meeting at 9 A.M today ? 
Will Government assure us that the five-year 
agreement will not be forced upon them but 
it should be for not more than two years 
because prices are going up every day due 
to Government's miserable failure to hold 
the price line ? 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : As I 
have made it clear in my statement, the 
question of the ex-factory price is before the 
Tariff Commission. So there is no increase 
in the ex-factory price and it does not figure 
in these negotiations. 

So far as the five year period is con- 
cerned, when wage is linked with the index, 
I think it is a reasonable proposition to 
keep peace in industry so that automatically 
when prices rise neutralisation takes place. 
So nobody should object to that. 


So faT as their demands are concernd* 
this is a matter which the Ministry of 
Industrial Development will have to consider 
because we cannot on our own take any 
decision . Whatever offer is made is made 
after full consultation with the Ministry of 
Industrial Development Here also I am 
trying my best to narrow down the 
differences and see that some settlement is 
reached. 

I would like to inform the House that 
one good thing has taken place. When we 
formed the National Council of Trade 
Unions, they had come lo some agreement 
that even if there is a strike, essential services 
and critical sectors will be kept out of it. 

I am glad to say that the INTUC and 
AITUC have informed their constituents m 
the factories to keep essential services 
running, and do not allow certain critical 
parts of the factoues entirely to be closed. 
That is a good development. ( Interruption ) 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : What was 
the dem ind made by the employees ? Seven 
representatives here What was the 
demand placed by them today, and in the 
case the employers do not agree, what will 
the Government do ? 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : This is 
just anticipating failure. As I said earlier, 
the demand and offer have narrowed down 
and if I say just now anything, that will 
give rise to a further debate. (Interruption) 

MR. SPEAKFR : Mr. Banerjee has 
repeated his question again : the question 
is, what was their demand. 

SHRJ Rt K FHADILKAR : Their 
demand was, to be very plain, rather fan- 
tastic, because, they wanted linkage in every 
respect with steel. This is one thing. So 
far as the interim relief 19 concerned, from 
Rs. 30, they want Rs. 70 from the 1st of 
January, 1972. Therefore, I used that word 
‘fantastic’. Now, they have come round to 
a reasonable frame of mind. Therefore, I 
do not want to say anything at this 
juncture. 

SHRI S„ M. BANERJEE : D#n't you 
think that by this time the profits of the 
employers have also gone up? (Interruption) 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 demand for interim relief 212 


MR. SPEAKER : Shri Heiry Austin 
absent. Shri Raja Kulkarni. 

SRRI RAJA KULKARNI fBombay — 
North-East) : The nation wide sti ike in the 
cement industry from the 17ih August is 
most justified and a proper action has been 
taken by the workers as a last resort. Now, 
in the statement that was just now read out 
and in the offer given by the Labour Minis- 
ter in his statement, he has not stated the 
attitude of the employers. My hon friends 
in this House have stated that this strike has 
been due to the negative and unhelpful 
attitude adopted by the cement employers in 
the country. Therefore, if theie is any loss 
of production in cement in the country, the 
responsibility is squarely on the shoulders 
of the cement employers and on the incapa- 
city of the Government's machinery to 
settle the dispute immediately. 

The workers have responded to the 
meetings that were called by the Labour 
Minister. Even today, this morning also, 
ihey met the Minister. I am told he has 
again called them this evening. They are 
prepared to meet. What is the demand ? I 
am surprised at th: Labour Minister’s state- 
ment that the demands were fantastic The 
demands were never fantastic I was also 
surprised at the Labour Ministers’ chirae- 
terisation of the s;r/i:e cultivis i.i the 
cement industry wiei can aired to the 
steel industry He said that this being a 
village-based md ist y, there has to be a 
big gap betvveen the service condmans and 
the emoluments in the cenant industry aid 
those in the steel industry. 

I would like to mf arm the Haus; that 
prior to the wage increase ip the steel in J 15 - 
try, the minimum wage an 1 the total emo- 
luments in the cement industry were higher 
than those in the steel industry. If the 
Government is now gong to tell the cement 
workers that “you were getting mare than 
the steel workers and you should now get 
much less,” what will htppen *> Wnat have 
the cement workers de nin Jed ? The cement 
workers have demanded pirity In fae:, the 
cement workers are getting Rs 60 to 70 
less than what the steel workers are getting. 
The minimum wage in the steel injuslry 
was Rs. 240 at the index of 183 At this 
moment, the minimum wage in the steel 
industry is about Rs. 259 or Rs. 260. Wnat 


is the minimum wage today in the cement 
industry ? It is Rs. 189. There is a big 
gap. What they are asking is, * formerly, 
we were getting more than those in the steel 
industry, and at least bring 11 s on parity 
with them.” What is the demand ? Now 
they wanted an interim relief. Even in the 
interim this gap was to be filled. They were 
prepared. Are the employers agreeable to 
Rs 20 ? He has not said anything. He 
is urging on the trade union leaders to 
accept Rs. 20. They cannot accept Rs. 20. 
They had come round, as he has said, with 
at least an interim relief of Rs. 30. The 
whole gap has to be filled at least because 
in the steel industry when joint settlement 
took place the interim relief was Rs. 33. 
Cement workers are prepared to settle on 
an inlerm relief of Rs 30 instead of Rs. 33 
which was given there. In the final settle- 
ment the steel workers got Rs. 67 increase. 
They want between Rs. 60 and 67 as the 
final thing 1 think that the demand is 
most reasonable The rate of dearness 
allowance, neutralisation rate also it is on 
parity they are working with the steel 
workers The offer which has been made 
is less. The Labour Minister should revise 
his pioposals and bring round the employers 
which will be in the interest of the nation 
instead of putting any blame on the trade 
union leaders. 

SHRI R. K. KHADILKAR : There is 
no question of putting any blame or appor- 
tioning it. The contention of the hon. 
Member is right in this sense that if the 
cement manufactures had taken up the 
workers’ demand seriously they could have 
settled it very early because they placed the 
demand in last March and they revived it 
again. Naturally they expected that what- 
ever the increase it must be borne by the 
consumer and Government should come to 
their help by increasing the prices and give 
them a price-rise. Therefore they were all 
the time postponing the final conclusion. 

We are clinching the issue. As I have 
said earlier, whatever the Government or 
the tariff board decides, I have nothing to 
do. But my efforts will be that this burden 
as far as possible should not be passed on 
to the consumer and if it is to be passed on, 
it must be the minimum. Therefore I 
wnii’d assu-e the Hiusi and the hon. 
Menber that I shall see that a just settle- 
ment is w arkei out, which will give some 
sort of satiation to the workers. 



213 Papers Laid 


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Papers Laid 


214 


12.34 hrs. 

MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT 

SHAHDARA INCIDENTS AND ALLEGED 
POLICE ATRROCUEfiS 

MR. SPEAKER : I shall take up the 
adjournment motions. I have to inform the 
House that I have received notice of seven 
adjournment motions regarding Shada^a 
incidents, and I shall read them in the order 
of time in which they were received : from 
Shri S. M. Banerjee, Shn Dinen Bhatta- 
charyya, Shri K Manoharan, Shn Dasaratha 
Deb. Shri Jaganatharao Joshi, Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu and Shri Samar Mukherjee. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Pa'an) ■ 1 

have also given notice of an adjournment 
motion. 

MR. SPEAKER : It must have been 
given late. We can add your name also if 
it is there. Understand that it came mu:h 
later than the time prescribed. Anyway 
you can also speak later on. The first is 
from Shn S. M. Bmerjee and it says : 

“Unprecedented police atrocities result- 
ing in the killing of a Home Guard 
staff officer, police firing and lathi 
charge seriously injuring more than 301) 
persons at Shahdara and Government’s 
failure to check the same.” 

I have given my consent to the moving 
of the adjournment motion Shri S. M. 
Banerjee may now ask for leave of the 
house. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 

I beg leave of the House to move the ad- 
journment motion. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : Sir, we object 
to this motion; 1 regret to report 
the occurrence of these unfortunate incidents 
following the alleged murder of one Shri 
Ookar Singh in the area of Shahdara police 
station on the 18th instant. A serious law 
and order situation arose on the 19th morn- 
ing and continued intermittently on the 20th. 


The situation in Shahdara is returning to 
normal. Government have decided to 
institute a judical inquiry into all the inci- 
dents other than the alleged murder itself. 
The House will appreciate that such an 
Inquiry should not concern itself with the 
invevtigations already in progress in accor- 
dance with the Jaw in regard to the alleged 
murder. Government expect that the 
investigation should be completed most 
expeditiously. * 

MR. SPEAKER : Those who are in 
favour of leave being granted may aplease 
get up in their seats. 

I am sorry there are 47 members only 
in favour. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : If the count- 
ing had taken place at 12 O’clock, more 
would have been there. For instance, Mr 
Samar Guha is not here now. 

AN HON. MEMBER : He has come. 

MR SPEAKER : Even then, it is only 
48. I am sorry. Leave is not granted. 
Papers to be laid. 

12-37 hrs 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 
audited ACCOUNTS OF committee 

FOR CONTROLLING AND SUPERVISING 
EXPERIMENTS ON ANIMALS, BOMBAY 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
M1NISTERY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : 1 beg to lay on the 

Table a copy of the Audited Accounts 
(Hindi and English versions) of the Com- 
nrttee for the purpose of Controlling and 
Supervising Experiments on Animals, 
Bombay,* for the ^ear 1970-71 together with 
the Audit Report thereon, under sub-rule 
(4) of Rule 24 of the Committee for 
Controlling and Supervising Experiments on 
Animals (Administration) |Rules, 1965. 
[ Places in Library. See No. LT-3443/72.] 

ANNUAL RFPORT OF TECHNICAL 
TEACHERS TRAINING INSTITUTE 
(WESTERN REGION), BHOpAL 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 



215 General Insurance Business AUGUST 
(Nationalisation) Bill 

SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. 

P. YADAV) : I beg to lay on the Table 
a copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and 
English versions) of the Technical Teachers’ 
Training Institute (Western Region), Bhopal, 
for the year 1970-71. [Placed in Library . 
See. No. LT-3444/72.] 

supplementary statements on 
FLOOD SITUATION 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION 

AND POWER (SHRI B. N. 
KUREEL) : 1 beg to Jay on the Table a 
Supplementary statement on the flood 
situation in the country. [Placed in Library 
See. No. LT-3445/72.] 

12.38 hrs. 

statement on market borrow- 
ings during 1972-73 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Sir, I beg 
to lay on the Table a statement on market 
borrowings during 1972-73’ [Placed in 
Library. See No. LT -3447/72.] 

12-38£ hrs. 

CONVICTION OF MEMBER 

MR. SPEAKER : I have to inform 
the House that I have received the following 
wireless message, dated the 19th August, 
1972, from the Magistrate, Bahraich, Uttar 
Pradesh. As a matter of fact, throughout 
yesterday.I kept on receiving one intimation 
or other from some source or other, from 
some police station somewhere, that Mrs. 
Nayar has been arrested. I do not know 
how many intimations I received yesterday. 

<f Shrimati Shakuntala Nayar, Member, 
Lok Sabha, was arrested under Section 
228, Indian Penal Code, and convicted 
to pay a fine of Rs 100/- and in default 
one week’s simple imprisonment by 
Tehsildar Magistrate at Kaisarganj to- 
day. She did not pay fine and so she 
has been sent to Dirtrict Jail, Bahraich.” 

12.40 hrs. 

GENERAL INSURANCE BUSINESS 
(NATIONALISATION) BILL 

(i) REPORT OF JOINT COMMITTEE 


21,1972 Interim Reports of National 218 
Comm on Agrl. (St.) 

SHRI DARBARA SINGH(Hoshiarpur): 

I beg to present the Report of the 
Joint Committee on the Bill to provide for 
the acquisition and transfer of shares of 
Indnn insurance companies and undertakings 
of other existing insurers in order to serve 
better the needs of the economy by securing 
the development of general insurance busi- 
ness in the best interests of the community 
and to ensure that the operation of the 
economic system does not result in the con- 
centration of wealth to the common detri- 
ment, for the regulation and contiol of such 
business and for matters connected there- 
with or incidental thereto. 

(ii) EVIDENCE 

SHRI DARBARA SINGH : I beg to 
lay on the Table a copy of the the evidence 
given before the Joint Committee on the 
Bill to provide for the acquisition and 
transfer of shares of Indian insurance com- 
panies and undertakings of other existing 
insurers in order to serve better the needs of 
the economy by securing the development 
of general insurance business in the best 
interest of the community and to ensure that 
the operation of the economic system does 
n ot result m the concentration of wealth to 
the common detriment, for the regulation 
and control of such business and for matters 
connected therewith or incidental thereto. 

12.42 hrs. 

STATEMENT RE-INTERIM REPORTS 

OF NATIONAL COMMISSION 
ON AGRICULTURE 

MR. SPEAKER : Shn F A. Ahmed 
to make a statement on the Interim Reports 
by the National Commission on Agriculture. 
He may lay it on the Table. 

THE MINISTR OF AGRICULTURE 
(SHRI F. A. AHMED) : I beg to lay on 
the Table a statement regarding the submi- 
ssion of four Interim Reports by the Natio- 
nal Commission on Agriculture. 

.Statement 

As Members are aware the National 
Commission on Agriculture set up by the 
Government of India has been asked to 
make Interim recommendations on such 
items of the Terms of Reference given to 



217 Interim Reports of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) National Comm, on Agrl. (St.) 21ft 


them as it may deem fit. The Commission 
submitted in November, 1971, three Interim 
Reports on the following subjects : — 

1. Multiplication and Distribution of 
Quality Seeds pertaining to High- 
Yieldmg varities of Hybrids of 
Cereals. 

2. Fertiliser Distribution. 

3. Some Aspects of Agricultural 
Research, Extension and Training. 

The Commission submitted a further set 
of three Interim Reports in January, 1972 
viz : 

1. Credit Services for S mil and Margi- 
nal Farmers and Agricultural 
Labourers. 

2. Milk Production throjgh Smill and 
Marginal Farmers and Agricultural 
Universities. 

3. Establishment of Agro-mMerological 
Divisions in Agricultural Univer- 
sities. 

Copies of these Reports have already been 
placed in the Library of Parliament, 

The Commission has presented today to 
the Government of India the following four 
Reports : 

1. Production Forestry — Mai made 
Forests. 

2. House Sites for Landless Agri- 
cultural Labourers. 

3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of India. 

4 . Potato Seeds. 

These Reports have been placed in the 
Library of Parliamsnt. A Lu.nmary of the 
important recommendations m\de in these 
Interim Report! in piaced on the Table of 
the Sabha. 

I have directed my Department to 
examine recommendations quickly before 
Government takes further action ia the 

matter. 


Summary of re-commendatione made in 
Interim Reports 

The National Commission of Agricul- 
ture has submitted to Government of India 
four Interim Reports today dealing with : 

1. Production Forestry-Man-made 
Foresrs ; 

2. House sites for Landless Agricul- 
tural Labourers ; 

3. Soil Survey and Soil Map of 
India ; and 

4. Potato Seed. 

Interim Report on Production Forestry — 

Man-made Forests 

In its Interim Report on Production 
Forestry- Mad- made Forests, the Commission 
has noted that the present yield from Indias 
forests is dismally low and has advocated 
a rational development and utilisation of 
forestry resources in the country. It has 
strongly recommended a change-over from 
the present conservation-oriented forestry to 
a more dynamic programme of production 
forestry with a view to meeting the require- 
ments of wood and wood-based industries. 
Considering the advantages of aggressive 
man-made forestry programme, the future 
production programme should concentrate 
on clear felling of valuable mixed forests, 
mixed quality forests and inaccessible hard- 
wood forests and planting this area with 
suitable hardwood and fastgrowing species 
yielding higher return per unit area. The 
resulting produce from the clear felling 
areas is to be utilised in wood-based indus- 
tries by locating additional units wheravor 
necessary. 

A programme of clearfeeling and plant- 
ing of about one lakh hectares annually in 
the next 7 years of the current decade in 
the inaccessible hardwood forests and mixed 
forests or valuable and low quality as well 
as intensification in the coniferous forests 
has been recommended to meet the future 
requirements. In the next decade, the 
annual felling area will be enhanced to 
enable exports on a moderate scale. The 
programme of clearfelling and plantation 
will require an investment of Rs, 242 crores 



i\9 Interim Reports of AUGUST 21, 1972 National Comnin . dn Agrl (it.) 220 


[Shn F. A. Ahmed] 

during the years 1974-80 of which the 
investment during the Fifth Plan is estima- 
ted at Rs. 173 crores. During the next 
decade an investment of Rs. 306 crores has 
been recommended. 

The Commission has pointed out that 
the production forestry and the industries 
programmes suggested in the Report are 
self-generating and will pay back adequa- 
tely. Illustrative models showing the 
economics of the production forestry have 
been worked out as guidelines for the 
formulation of the programmes by the 
States. 

While emphasising commercialisation of 
the production forestry, the Commission has 
emphasised the need for a proper linkage 
between forestry production and utilisation. 
To this end, it has recommended the esta- 
blishment of wood based industries. In the 
current decade, an investment of Rs. 8 1 5 
crores in industries has been suggested. Of 
this, the investment in paper and pulp 
industry will be Rs. 611 crores. In the 
next decade, an investment of Rs. 1,187 
crores will be needed in the industries of 
which paper and pulp account for Rs. 979 
crores. In view of ihe sluggish performance 
by the private sector in the matter of 
investment, the Commission has recommen- 
ded that the States may have 10 invest 
between Rs. 160 to 34dcroies in paper and 
pulp industries in the public sector during 
Fifth Plan after allowing for investments by 
the existiog public sector enterprises. 

The Commission has also strongly ad- 
vocated that the programme be taken up 
from the beginning of 1974 for clearfelling, 
plantation and maintenance. In view of 
the magnitude of the investment involved 
in the entire programme* and paucity of 
Plan resources, the future production 
forestey programme is recommended to be 
financed from institutional sources. The 
Agricultural Refinance Corporation has 
been suggested as the agency to directly 
finance the production forestry programme 
by changing its Statutes suitably. In case 
this is not possible, a Central Forest Credit 
Corporation has to be organised The 
industries programme has to be financed 
from industrial lending agencies such as 
1FC, ICICI and IDB. In order to avail 
ff the institutional financing, State Forest 


Corporations are to be set up in each State 
to handle the ptogramme. These Corpora- 
tions will borrow money on the basis of 
equity capital of land and standing timber. 
For this, the State Government will transfer 
the areas under the programme to the 
Corporations and take only the average 
revenue of the last three years from these 
areas and leave the rest of the income from 
clearfelling to support the programme. 
These Corporations may either take up the 
supporting paper and pulp industries directly 
or form subsidiaries to handle the industries 
programme. 

In order that the work can be taken up 
immediately, each State which takes up the 
programme should establish a Planning and 
Project Analysis and Estimation Cell which 
will be the forernnner of the Corporation. 

[ The Report has also recommended the 
strengthening of the Utilisation Cell in the 
Chief Conservator’s Office and establish- 
ment of an Industrial Cell for the industries 
programme. A Planning Cell has also been 
suggested in the Union Ministry of Agri- 
culture to help the States in formulating 
and implementing the production forestry 
programmes. 

In dealing with the pricing policy, the 
Commission has emphasised that there has 
to be an incentive for the change-over from 
the low-cost low-yield forestry to commer- 
cial high-investment economic forestry The 
price for the produce has to be so fixed as 
to pay for the cost of clearfelling and plan- 
tation and leave a profit. A rational pricing 
policy for bamboo and pulp wood has also 
been recommended. 

The programme suggested is expected to 
provide annual employment of 50 million 
man-days (or 250,000 man-years) mainly m 
the rural sector of the hilly and backward 
regions where most of the unexploited forests 
are located. There will be additional 
employment in industries. The massive 
labour requirement will mean organising 
and training a labour force of considerable 
magnitude for which action has to be taken 
by the States. 

Interim Report Houes sites for Landless 
Agricultural Labourers 

In its Interim Report on House Sites 
for Landless Agricultural Labourers, the 



22l Interim Reports of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) National Comma, on Agrl. (st,) 22l 


Commission has advocated a production 
programme for them simultaneously with 
the measures for providing them with 
security of shelter. This will require a 
more comprehensive approach to the solu- 
tion of the problems of the landless than 
morely providing them with house sites. 
The Commission has recommended various 
subsidiary occupations for the landless 
labourers and artisans which will bring them 
into the mainstream of the productive 
process. Milk production, poultry keeping 
vegetable gardening are some activities 
which can be undertaken on limited amounts 
of land and which will at the same time 
give reasonable subsidiary income to the 
families. This approach will give better 
employment and add to production. 

The permanent right to a small piece of 
land where the agricultural labourer can 
build a shelter and follow an enterprise will 
also have an immediate effect on his social 
status and give his greater stability in life. 
This will also enable him to avail of assis- 
tance under various programmes like MFAL. 
Keeping this in view, the Commission has 
recommended modifications in the scheme 
of the Ministry of Works and Housing for 
the provision of house sites It lias recom- 
mended that where land is available and 
space can be provided for the cattle-shed 
or poultry or piggary or village industry 
along with the site tor a house, an area 
between 250 sq yards and 300 sq yards 
may be provided Where adequate land is 
available and water can be piovided for 
vegetable growing, an area of 500 sq. yards 
has been recommended. 

The house sites, the housing and the 
subsidiary occupation programmes have to 
be planned and coordinated affectively for 
concerted development The entire pro- 
gramme for providing house sites should be 
time bound and completed in a phased and 
planned manner. The Commission has 
recommended that in the next 10 years a 
programme for 3 million landless Sehed-iled 
Caste and Scheduled Tribes families and 
another 2 million landless agricultural labour 
families belonging to other sections should 
be taken up for impleneniation. Annually, 
3 lakh landless Scheduled Castes and Sche- 
duled Tribe families and 2 lakh landless 
families of other categories wdl thus be 
covered. For this, investment has b;;n esti- 


mated at about Rs. 22.5 crores for Sche- 
duled Caste and Scheduled Tribe families 
and Rs. 15 crores for other sections of the 
landless annually to meet the cost of acqui- 
sition of land development of house sites. 

* The Commission has also stressed the 
desirability of having a separate Rural 
Housing Board in each Slate to supervise 
the implementation of the piogramme. It 
has advocated suitable assistance for the 
construction of house by the landless agri- 
cultural labour on the sites allotted to 
them. 

Interim Report on soil survey and 
soil map of India 

In its Interim Report on Soil Survey 
and Soil Map ot India, the Commission has 
recommended that expeditious measures 
should be taken to prepare tne soil map of 
India in the scale of 1 81 million within a 
reasonably short per-od, say, 10 years, for 
which the requisite number of soil survey 
parues should De organised in accordance 
with ihe specific requnements of the Stales 
and the Ccnue. The Comn ission considers 
that all development programmes in agn- 
cultuie should be dependent on a scientific 
k 1 ovv ledge ol the basic soil resouice. A study 
of ihc present status of the soil survey in 
the country has revealed that there are con- 
s idci able gaps in the soil suivey, soil map 
and coneluii n and classification of the 
differentiated soils I here is a gi eat necessity 
for pieparaiion ol scientific inventory of the 
sod resources ol the counliy to form a 
basis foi cro P planning, intensive agriculture 
and a number ol non-tarm activities. 

The Commission has felt that for acce- 
lerating the soil survey work, aerial photo- 
graphy should be! made available at least for 
the non-sensitive areas. It has also been 
recommended that for the purpose of 
carrying out soil survey, mapping, correla- 
tion, classificaiion and interpretation on a 
standard pattern, necessary training facilities 
already available with the All India Soil 
and Land Use Survey Organisation should 
be strengthened. 

For the purpose of unification of soil 
survey work throughout the country, a close 
liaison between the Central and the State 



B.A-C, Report 224 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


223 Interim Reports of National 
Comm, on Agrl. ( St .) 

[Shri F. A. Ahmed] 

Soil Survey Organisation is imperative. For 
this the Commission has recommended that 
Coordination Committees should be activised 
or set up at the State and national levels. 
State Coordination Committees should uti- 
lise the existing date on soil survey for land 
use and crop planning after due interpreta- 
tion. 

Intrim Report on Rotate Seed 

In its Interim Report on Potato Seed, 
the Commission has given its recommenda- 
tions fixing the responsibilities for the 
multiplication of potato seed at various 
stages. The overall all-India yield of potato 
is only 83 quintals per hectare at present 
but there are possibilities of doubling the 
same. One single factor that will contri- 
bute materially to bring about this change 
is the use of high quality seed. The Natio- 
nal Commission on Agriculture has y there- 
fore, given priority to the question as to how 
best the area under potato can be saturated 
with good seed material. 

The Commission has suggested stream- 
lining of arrangements for multiplication, 
storage and distribution. The Central 
Potato Research Institute should be respon- 
sible for the pi oduction of breeder’s seed 
and the National Seeds Corporation and 
other well developed agencies for the pro- 
duction, storage and distribution of seed 
material at foundation stage I. The res- 
ponsibility of organising production at 
foundation stage II has been sought to be 
placed on the Department of Agriculture/ 
Horticulture in the State. The same Agency 
will also be responsible for organisation 
and coordination of seed multiplication, 
storage and distribution at the certified stage 
in each State. The existing lacunae in 
storage and transport are also sought to be 
removed through suitable measures. It has 
also been recommended that potato should 
be brought under the Seed Law and seed 
.distribution should be organised in every 
State to ensure the supply of quality seed. 

In order to prevent the inti oduction of 
new diseases and pests through continued 
‘mport of seed material, the Commission has 
suggested complete banning of imports of 
oreign seed potato except for the material 
leeded for new introductions where the 


imports should be made under conditions of 
rigid quarantine procedures. It has also 
suggested that a rigorous ban on a uniform 
basis should be imposed on the movement 
of seed potato within the country from all 
such areas which have recognisedly develop- 
ed diseases and pests and whose spread can 
pose a threat to the crop in other parts of 
the country. 

The Commission has also recommended 
the creation of Potato Seed Development 
Councils in the States and at the Centie in 
order to review and make recommendations 
on matters pertaining to production, distri- 
bution, transport, storage, marketing, qua- 
lity control, publicity and incentive aspects 
of the potato seed development programmes. 

12 43 hrs. 

BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE 
FIFTEEN REPORT 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI KEDAR NATH 
SINGH) : On behalf of Shri Raj Bahadur, 

I beg to move : 

“That this House do agree with the 
Fiflcent Repoith of the Business Advisory 
Committee presented to the House on 
the 1 8lh August, 1972.’* 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : May I submit. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : 1 have mentioned 

the other day that points about the business 
of the House should be laised only when 
the Minister makes the statement about 
Government business foi following week. 
When the report of the BAC js brought 
forward for adoption no such points should 
be raised. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : This 
point came to my notice afterwards. 

MR. SPEAKER : He may raise it 
later. Now the question is : 

“That this House do agree with the 
Fifteenth Report of the Business Advi- 
sory Committee presented to the House 
on the 18th August, 1972.” 

The motion was adopted 



225 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 {SAKA) Dentists (Arndt.) Bill 226 


12 44hrs. 

ANTIQUITIES AND ART TREA- 
SURES BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg to 
move for leave to introduce a Bill to regu- 
late the export trade in antiquities and art 
treasures, to provide for the prevention of 
smuggling of, and fraudulent dealings in, 
antiquities, to provide for the compulsory 
acquisition of antiquities and art treasures 
for preservation in public places and to 
provide for certain Other matters connected 
therewith or incidental or ancillary thereto. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

“That leave be granted to introduce a 
Bill to regulate the export trade in anti- 
quities and art treasures, to provide for 
the prevention of smuggling of, and 
fraudulent dealings m, antiquities, to 
provide for the compulsory acquisition 
of antiquities and art treasures for pre- 
servation in public places and to provide 
for certain other matters connected 
therewith or incidental or ancillary 
thereto." 

The morion was adopted 

PROF. S NURAL HASAN : I intro- 
duce the Bill. 


12 45 hrs. 

RULERS OF INDIAN 
STATES (ABOLITION OF 
PRIVILEGES) BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : 
I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill 
further to amend certain enactments conse- 
quent on derecognition of Rulers of Indian 
States and abolition of privy purses, so as 
to abolish the privileges of Rulers and to 
make certain transitional provisions to enable 
the said Rulers to adjust progressively to 
the changed circumstances. 


MR. SPEAKER ; The question is : 

“That leave be granted to introduce a 
Bill further to amend certain enactments 
consequent on derecognition of Rulers 
of Indian States and abolition of privy 
pqrses, so as to abolish the privileges 
of Rulers and to make certain transi- 
tional provisions to enable the said 
Rulers to adjust progressively to the 
changed circumstances." 

The motion Has adopted 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : 1 introduce 

the Bill 


12 . 46 hrs. 

MINES AND MINERALS (REGULA- 
TION and development) 

AMENDMENT BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) . I beg to move for leave 
to introduce a Bill further to amend the 
Mines and Mineials (Regulation and 
Development) Act, 1957. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

“That leave be granted to introduce a 

Bill further to amend the Mines and 

Minerals (Regulation and Development) 

Act, 1957. 

The motion was adopted. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : I introduce the Bill. 


12.47 hrs. 

DENTISTS (AMENDMENT) BILL — Contd. 

MR. SPEAKER : We will now take 
up further c msideralion of the Dentists 
(Amendment) Bill, Dr. Laximinarain 
Pandeya was on his legs. He may continue 
his speech. 


* Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II, Section 2, dated 21,8.72, 
■f Introduced with the recommeddation of the President, 



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MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Somasundaram. 
He is not here. Mr. Bancrjee. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I 
rise to support this Bill with one or two 
requests. 

According to this particular Bill, the 
definition of ‘dental qualification’ means 
any qualification Included in the Schedule. 
The hon. Minister who has piloted this Bill 
comes from Calcutta where many Chinese — 
longer Chinese but they are 


Indians ; they have settled here — have 
engaged themselves in this particular pro- 
fession. Not only in Calcutta but in many 
other places also, whenever we go to the 
dentist, we find that the treatment is very 
costly, Naturally many people go to the 
Chinese some of whom are equally good, 
if not better. 1 want to know ho\y they will 
be certified. I want to know their position. 


My second point is that the scheme of 
dental treatment, free of cost, should be 
introduced under the CGHS for the benefit 
of Central Government employees. At 
present the cost of dental treatment in their 
cases is not borne by the Government. I 
would request the hon. Minister who is 
young and has his own teeth to realise the 
position of those Central Government 
employees who are 50 years and above — 
who have to undergo dental treatment and 
arc required to pay through their nose. I 
would request the hon. Minister to consider 
introducing free dental treatment under the 
CGHS. 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS AND HOUStNG (PROF. D. 
P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : As l have 
pointed out at the time of introduction of 
this Bill it is a very simple and small piece 
of legislation. The hon. members who have 
spoken on the Bill have generally approved 
the tenor and the necessity of the Bill. Only 
one or two doubts have been expressed and 
1 will confine myself only to those two or 
three points. 


It is true that the uumber of dentists in 
the country is not equal to what is necessary 
for catering proper dental services to the 
people as a whole. But then there is 
another problem, slightly disturbing problem, 
i.e.\ unemployment amongst the dentists, 
This Ministry has looked into the problem 
and a plan was forwarded to the Planning 
Commission in respect of this matter. It 
is still under consideration. The main 
difficulty in solving this problem, as yon all 
know is financial. Within the constraints, 
the Ministry is trying to do its best to solve 
the problem. 



23 1 Dentist 

[ Shri D. P. Ch&ttopodhyaya ] 

The second point that has been raised 
is that Government is taking over the 
powers of the Dental Council of India. That 
is t perhaps, not correct. A close reading 
of the Bill will show that Government is not 
taking over the powers of the Dental 
Conncil of India but is only taking over the 
responsibility of recognition of dental quali- 
fication, and that is to bring about a sort of 
uniformity in respect of dental qualifica- 
tions. The Dental Council of India is being 
empowered by this Bill to bring about a 
sort of uniformity among the dentists in 
their professional etiquette and ethics. 

We have already said that the main 
purpose of the Bill, rather one of the main 
purposes of the Bill, is to see that some 
repatriates from Burma, Ceylon and Bangla 
Desh who have come over to this country 
but who do not satisfy the existing qualifi- 
cations are taken care of and for them a 
special provision Is being made. We have 
two categories of qualifications — those who 
have the qualifications obtained from fore gn 
countries and those who have acquned 
their qualifications in our own country. But 
these unfortunate repatriates have not t»ot 
any of these qualifications, but they have 
long experience to their credit. So, on a 
careful consideration, It has been found that 
if th y are allowed to practise here, it will 
not pose, as it has been unjustifiably indi- 
cated by some hon. Members, a sort of 
health or dental hazard to the possible 
patients. When we try to economically 
rehabilitate these people, we certainly have 
the interests of the possible patients also in 
view. So, it Is not a problem. It will not 
create any difficulty. 

Because of these considerations, I do 
not think there Is any necessity to refer ms 
Bill to a Joint Select Comhuttee. 

MR SPEAKER : Now, the question is. 

‘'That the Bill further to amend he 

Dentists Act, 1948. be referred l > a 

Select Committee consisting of 8 mem- 
bers, namely : — 

(1) Shri Bhagirath Bhanwar. 

(2) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda. 

(3) Shri M. C. Daga. 

(4) Shri K. M. "Madhukar”. 


21 , 1972 [Arndt] Bill 232 

(5) Shri Dhan Shah Pradhan. 

(6) Shri Ramkanwar. 

(7) Shri R. R. Sharma ; and 

(8) Shri Uraa Shankar Dikshit. 

with instructions to report by ths first 
day of the next session.** (8) 

The motion was negatived . 

MR. SPEAKER : Now, the question 

"That the Bill further to amend the 
Dentists Act, 1948, as passed by Rajya 
Sabha, be taken into consideration.** 

The motion was adopted . 

MR. SPEAKER : There are no amend- 
ments to clauses 2 to 4. I will put them to 
the vote of the House. 

The question is : 

•‘That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the 
Bill”. 

Tne motion was adopted. 

Clauses 2 to 4 were added to the Bill. 

Clanse 5 ( Amendment of Section 3) 

DR. LAXMINARAIN PANDEYA : I 
beg to move : 

Page 2, line 10, — 

for "four” substitute "six” (4) 

Page 2, line 11, — 
omit "by” (5) 

Page 2, line 12, — 
after "(a)” insert — 

"four members by’* (6) 

Page 2, line 17, — 
after “(b)** insert — 

"/wo members by” (7) 

MR. SPEAKER : I will now put 
amendments 4 to 7 of Dr. Laxminarayan 


AUGUST 



233 


Wild Lift 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


(Proetctioii) BjH 234 


Pandeya to the vote of the House. 

The amendments were put and negatived . 
MR. SPEAKER : Now. the question 

ia * 

“That clause 5 stand part of the Bill/' 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 5 was guided to the Bill. 

Clause 6 to 28 were added to the Bill . 

Clause 7, the Enacting Formula and the 
Title were added to the Bill. 

13 hrs. 

PROF D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
Sir, T beg to move : 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 
“That ihe Bill be passed.” 

T he motion was adopted . 


13.0 1 hrs- 

WILD LIFE (PROTECTION) BILL 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 1 beg 
to move* : 

“That the Bill to provide for the pro- 
tection of wild animals and birds and 
for matters connected therewith or anci- 
llary or incidental thereto, be taken into 
consideration ” 

Sir, this Bill seeks to safeguard one of 
the grandest heritages of our country. Wild- 
life also forms an integral part of our cul- 
tural inheritance. It is mentioned in the 
earliest scriptures and manifests itself in the 
art forms of India throughout the centuries, 
from the^ Indus Valley Civilization to Barhut 
and Sanchi, Mahabahpuram and Amravati, 
Mughal and Rajput paintings. Emperor 
Asokha’s edicts speak of sancuary given to 
animate creatures. 


From the heights of the Himalayas and 
the Swamps of the Sunderbans to the deserts 
of Kutch and the highlands of Kerala, 
variations in climate and in topography have 
nurtured a multitude of animal forms, many 
of which are found nowhere else m the 
world. 

The rapid decimation of our once- 
tceming wild-life has been a matter of grave 
concern to the world at large and to India 
in particular. 

Grand animals like the tiger and the 
Kashmir sfag are treasures; these natural 
assets once destroyed can never be re-crea- 
ted. 

As early as in 1952, the National Forest 
Policy of India emphasised the need for 
alTor ling protection to the wild-life and 
parti :ularly to the rarer species. It reco- 
mcneded the setting up of sanctuaries and 
national pa ks and the enactment of special 
laws. The Indian Board for Wild Life 
consulted by the Government of India in 
the same year, has also opined that adequate 
legislation should be enacted by the Central 
Government and the Slates, and that there 
should be a uniform set of rules and regu- 
lations in contiguous States for the effective 
protection of wild-life. 

Sir, the Expert Committee appointed by 
the Indian Board for Wild-life has also 
stressed the same aspects and has emphasised 
the need for protection of the various threa- 
tened species. 

As you are aware. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the 
protection #f animals and birds features in 
the State List of the Seventh Schedule of 
our Constitution. As such, powers in this 
regard vest with *the State Governments 
alone. 

During the formative and tumultous 
years which followed our independence. 
State Governments have naturally been pre- 
occupied with the problems of providing the 
basic needs for the masses. Large number of 
crop protection weapons were given in the 
interest of agriculture, and wild-life could 
not be given the priority that it deserved. 
The stage, however, has now been reached 
when, if the States and the Central Govern- 


♦Movcd with the recommendation of the President. 



235 Wild Life AUGUST 21, 1972 t Protection ) Bill 236 

[Prof. Sher Singh] 


ments, in close harmony, do not take up the 
case of wild life preservation, many a spe- 
cies of birds and animals would go the 
same way of extinction as have the Cheetah 
and the Pink-headed Duck So f Sir, if this 
country is not to be denuded of its wild life 
and if the future generations are to enjoy 
the aesthetic pleasures of seeing some of 
nature's noblest creatures in their wild 
environment, action needs to be taken here 
and no v. 

The Union Government have already 
taken action in regard to the banning or 
controlling the export of a number of spe- 
cies of animals and birds and the products 
derived from them. However, this alone is 
not suiricient to preserve wild-life unless 
this is supported by adequate controls on 
exploitation of wild life throughout the 
country. A decision was, therefore, taken 
by the Union Cabinet that the Central 
Government should enact a uniform legisla- 
lion for the preservation of wild life. Being 
a state subject, however, such legislation 
could only be undertaken under the provi- 
sions of article 252 of the Constitution, 
whereby the legislatures of at least two 
States should pass resolutions empowering 
Parliament to pass necessary legislation on 
the subject. I am happy to say that the 
State Governments realising the importance 
and the urgency df the maiter have been 
very prompt in adopting such resolutions in 
jheir respective State Assemblies. Eleven 
States have so far adopted resolutions and 
it is hoped that others will follow suit. 

Wild life is a renewable natural resource. 
Apart from its aesthetic value, the economic 
and scientific aspects of wild life cannot 
be lost sight of. Its potential as a tourist 
attraction have not yet been exploited to 
the full, and as a source' of protein and as 
an object of commerce it has a considera- 
ble role to play in the economy of the 
country. But like all resources, wild life 

has to be husband and scientifically managed 
if it is to yield sustained and progressive 
returns. In India, however, a very large 
number of species of animals have reached 
a stage of depiction and their exploitation 
cannot be considered for the present 
There are certain other species whose ex- 
ploitation for sport or trade can be permit- 
ted in a strictly restricted manner. Keeping 
in view these circumstances, animals and 


birds have been included in different Sche- 
dules and different punishments are prescrib- 
ed for violations of rules in respect of these 
different categories. The status of wild life 
cannot be static. Therefore, if at a future 
date, i? is felt that any particular animal or 
bird has become rarer than before, or con- 
versely, has increased sufficiently in number 
whereby controlled exploitation of it could 
be permissible, they can be moved from one 
Schedule to another. If, however, it is felt 
that any particular animal has reached a 
critical stage of survival, the Central Govern- 
ment will oe empowered to include any such 
animal m Schedule I and thereby give it 
copmleie protection throughout the country. 
Sla'e Government also would be empowered 
to add any animal to Schedule I in respect 
of their own area of jurisdiction. The 
violation pertaining to any such animal or 
bird will be treated as a very serious offence 
and deterrent punishment has been pro- 
vided. 

In short, this Bill greatly strengthens 
the scope and powers of the State Govern- 
ments in regard to wild life preservation. 
The Central Government will appoint offi- 
cers who will render them all possible assis- 
tance. 

I am sure this House will welcome this 
Bill and the joint efforts being made by the 
Government of India and the various State 
Governments to save the wild life of India. 

I would like to conclude with the remark 
that the Prime Minister has made while 
addressing the National Committee on En- 
vironmental Planning, namely : — 

"Man’s wild spirit has been creator and 
destroyer. Now, with the possibility of 
destruction so starkly real, we must con- 
centrate on the arts of preservation.” 

With these words, I move this Bill for consi- 
deration. 

MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : 

"That the Bill to provide for the pro- 
tection of wild animals and birds and 
for matters connected therewith or 
ancillary or incidental thereto, be 
taken nto consideration.” 



237 


Wild Life 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


( Protection ) Bill 


23* 


Is the hon. Minister intending to refer this 
Bill to a Select Committee ? 

PROF. SHER SINGH : No, Sir. 

MR. SPEAKER : A Member from 
their own party has tabled a motion to that 
effect. 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY At FAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
We are noi accepting it. 

MR. SPEAKER ; Is Shri Shivnath 
moving hi motion ? 

SHRI SHIVNATH SINGH (Jhun- 
Jhunu) : i am not moving it. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura 
East) : I hspe that the down -trodden men 
and women of our country who are leading 
their lives on almost empty bellies and who 
for demanding food and work for their 
subsistence havo been subjected to police 
atrocities or have been sought to be silenced 
by lathis, bullets and tear-gas during these 
25 years of Congress rule will hot envy the 
wild animals and birds which are going to 
be provided with safe and undisturbed life 
which is being denied to the overwhelming 
majority of human beings living m this 
country. Though the love and affections 
towards wild animals and birds and a sense 
of urgency on the part of the Congress 
rulers in protecting wild life are well expres- 
sed in the Bill 


MR. SPEAKER : Is the bon. Mem- 
ber reading out his speech ? He is an old 
Member. Let him not read out his speech. 


SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I shall 
be speaking extempore also. Similar love 
and affection towards the ill-fed, ill-clad 
masses and a sense of urgency to protect 
them from hunger and starvation and from 
exploitation by the monopolists and land- 
lords, speculators and blackmarketeers, 
usurers and contractors are yet to be seen. 


I can understand the Government being 
interested in protecting wild life, but in the 
Bill they have shown a different attitude. 
In this Bill, they provide that if an animal 
is killed by a person in his defence, even 
the meat derived from that should become 
government property. If two animals quarrel 
and one is killed in the fight, and if the 
dead is found in the jungle, why should the 
meat become the property of Government ? 
Is it in the interest of protecting wild life 
or are Government doing something more ? 
This is objectionable. If this clause is 
retained m the Bill, it will become oppres- 
sive for the people living in forest areas, 
because if an animal or bird is killed and if 
it is not deposited with Government, imme- 
diaely the forest officers start exacting 
money or creating trouble for these poor 
people. That should not be. 

Then (he Bill says in one clause that 
the right of any person in or over the land 
on.prised within the limit of a sanctuary 
shall not include the right of jhoom cultiva- 
tion over land which has been traditionally 
used for the purpose of jhoom cultivation. 
1 he clause says that if any area is to be 
declared a sanctuary, then the properties in 
that particular area should be assessed and 
some sort of compensation should be given 
to t lese people. But you know in forest 
areas particularly in our State, no title was 
given to the people over the land which 
has been utilised by them for jhum cultiva- 
tion the t.ibal people gve an annual lump- 
sum on the basis of the family, say, 5 
or .01 per family and so on Thus they 
are enjoying that particular area for jhoom 
cultivation. When you declare that parti- 
cular area a sanctuary, the officer will be 
going there and making an assessment on 
the basis of the title to the land. Since 
these people possess no title, they will not 
be entitled to get r.ny compensation. That 
means, it one stroke, you are depriving 
these people of the right of jhoom cultiva- 
tion in that area which they have been 
traditionally enjoying; at the same time, you 
will not provide any compensation for them 
or any alternative profession either. This 
is a serious defect in the Bill. So these 
people should bs given compensation irres- 
pective of whether they have got title over 
the land or not because they have been 
enjoying this land traditionally and have 
been playing a lump sum annually which in 
our term is called gharchukti. 



AUGUST 21, 1972 


( Protection ) Bill 240 


239 Wild Life 
[Shri Dasaratha Deb ] 


Then there is another provision which 
says that in any sanctuary or forest area 
they shall be responsible to prevent other 
people from killing the wild animals and, 
birds. If they canot prevent other people, 
then they will be liable to punishment. 
There is one clause here at page 11; it is 
clause 27(2). There, you will see some res- 
ponsibility is being given to the people who 
are residing' in the sanctuary area. I think 
this obligatory clause should not be there. 
It is the duty of the officers of the staff who 
are working in those areas to prevent others 
from killing these wild animals and birds. 
You can take the assistance of the people. 
You can make them conscious of these 
things, and ask them to prevent such killings, 
but, at the same time, you cannot maicc it 
obligatory on them to prevent others from 
killing these animals. If you keep this pro- 
vision, then, if somewhere an animal is 
killed, the ordinary innocent villagers resid- 
ing in that forest or sanctuaiy area wil! be 
subject to so much of oppression and all 
those officers who visit the tribal villages 
would say, “You did not report this thing 
is lying there.’! And he would say, “I 
would go and institute a case aginst you.” 
In that way, they will be trying to get 
money; bribery will take place. Therefore, 
this obligatory clause must not be there. 
You can make the people animal-conscious, 
but you cannot punish them for other’s 
faults. Therefore, this clause 27 (2) must 
be omitted from the Bill. 


Secondly, I want to suggest another 
thing I had no Mme and I could not send 
amendments earlier. Only this morning 
I have sent these amendments If you 
allow me, I can read out. 


MR. SPEAKER : If it is time, then 
it is all right but otherwise, it may be 
referred to in your speech. 


SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Yes, Sir. 
In clause 30, at page 12 of the Bill, there 
should be a proviso at the end of the clause, 
giving protecton to the jhoom cultivators. 
I suggest that the following proviso may be 
added : 

“Provided that nothing contained in 


clause 30 shall render such a person 
liable to any punishment if he sets fire 
for the purpose of jhooming for the 
neighbouring area and if such fire causes 
the burning of a sanctuary due to the 
spreading of the fire of the burning 
jhoom.” 


The clause says if anybody sets fire in the 
sanctuary, he will liable to punishment. But 
the sanctuary may be such that in the 
neighbouring forest the tribal people may 
be residing and they are practising jhoom 
cultivation there and without burning that 
jungle they cannot cultivate jhooming. In 
jhoom cultivation, the fire may spread out. 

MR. SPEAKER : The time is short. 
So, we should confine ourselves to the main 
features of the Bill. 


SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Yes, Sir. 
I am only making certian important points. 
If these people are liable to be punished, 
then it is very dangerous- You may ask 
those people setting fire for jhoom cultiya- 
tion to make some report to the office con- 
cerned to that effect, but it may happen in 
the jungle and it may cause some fire. For 
that those people should not be punished. 
They are not setting fire in that particular 
area, but outside, in the area where they 
are taking up jhoom cultivation. 


Another point I want to make is with 
regard to clause 55, at page 23. Here, the 
Bill says that if any person is considered to 
have committed a certain offence against the 
provisions of this Bill, he will be liable to 
be punished; punished by whom? Either by 
the Chief Warden or by the Chief Secretary. 
That is the provision That is the provision 
in this Bill and the judgment of these 
persons is final. The Courts cannot enter- 
tain any appeal from these persons who had 
been punished It is dangerous. You are 
taking away the rights of a citizen to go to 
the court. The chief warden or chief secre- 
tary could not be considered to be the best 
judge; they are part and parcel of the execu- 
tive. If their judgment is to be made final 
and the citizen is to be deprived of his right 
to approach the court, it is dangerous and 
theiefore this clause must be omitted. 



241 Wild Life 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


(Protection) Bill 242 


In clause 55 you are providing for com- 
panies. A company is given licence to 
operate in a sanctuary area to collect skins 
or other articles from the animals. If they 
commit some offences against this Bill, the 
company will not be liable for punishment 
because they will say that it is not within 
the knowledge of the company and there is 
a provision that if any offence is committed 
without the knowledge of the company will 
not be liable for punishment. There is a 
repressive measure against the ordinary 
people who live in the forests but you are 
giving ample scope to big people, big com- 
panies to collect these articles fiom the 
wild animals, and also allowing them to 
escape from punishment on some pretext. 
In the case of ordinary people, if an animal 
is killed you do not allow them to take 
even the meat from the animal , but big 
people can do anyth ng tinder the cover of 
this clause. So, this section must go. 


The punishment provided is a fine rang- 
ing from 2,000 to Rs. 5,000 or imprison- 
ment There is a provision in the Bill that 
people who possess articles mentioned 
therein should deposit them or return them 
to the Government immediately after the 
commencement of the Act. People might be 
possessing such articles for 10 years or 20 
years or even 100 years They should not 
be asked to deposit those old things. The 
provision should be that if any article is 
possessed after the commencement of this 
Act that should be deposited. 

] shall finish in two minutes by referring 
to my amendments On page 2, line 40, I 
want to insert six months for two years. 
On page 2, line 50, I want to insert Rs. 
100 for Rs 2,000. Rs 2,000 is too much 
of a punishment. Again on page 2, line 6, 

I want to insert one year for six years Six 
years’ imprisonment is too much ; you 
should make it one year. Page 22, line 7, 
insert “100” foi “500”. 

MR. -SPEAKER: These amendments 
have not been circulated, but you can refer 
to them in your speech. 

SHRl DASARATHA DEB : Then, in 
page 22. line |0, insert “six months” for 


“one year”. Then, in page 22, line II, 
insert “J00” for “1000”. 

With these words, f conclude. 

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SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutia- 
North-East) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it 
is a pity that even when Government tries 
to do a good thing — and this Bill, by and 
large, is not bad — it does it gracelessly, 
ineffectively and provocatively and, that is 
why, unfortunately, I am unhappy that 
Government proceeds with this legislation 
in the manner that we have witnessed 
today. 

Even the Minister, when he made a 
speech, hardly made an effort to explain 
the provisions of the Bill which runs to 
nearly 40 pages. He gave us no informa- 
tion worthwhile m regard to the present 
day conditions of wild life in our country. 
He made a reference to Ashoka’s edicts? 1 
do not know whether he made a reference 
also to Kautilya’s Arthashastra, Abhayaranya 
and that sort of thing. But he did not take 
the House into confidence in regard to what 
is exactly happening to our wild life and 
what is being sought to be done by this 
piece of legislation. He took it for granted 
that this Bill would be passed by the 
House. Even the Soeaker said that there 
is very little time to discuss it. 

This Bill does not go to a Select Com- 
mittee. I do not see why a measure which 
obviously, affects the living conditions of 
hundreds of thousands of our people who 
a re in the lowest rung of the economic 
ladder is not discussed in a Select Com- 
mittee. We are as good as a House con- 
verting itself into a Committee at the 


moment because very few Members are 
present. It could have gone to a Select 
Committee in some other room where these 
clauses could have been gone into a great 
deal more carefully and the House, through 
its representatives, would have been in 
possession of facts in regard to what is the 
position of wild life. 


The Minister of Tourism is there. Some- 
times, panicky statements appear in the 
press in regard to our wild life having 
nearly vanished. But we are not taken into 
confidence officially even wden a Bill of 
this sort is placed before us. 1 feel, by and 
large, the bias of this Bill is correct. The 
Government is going to take charge at 
least by regulatory measures in regard to the 
damage that is being done to wild life in our 
country. To that extent, it is a good thing. 
But Go\ernment could very well have pro- 
ceeded in a very different manner in order 
to take the House into confidence about 
what ought to be done. 

My lion friend, Mr. Deb supported the 
Bill substantially. He rasied a very impor- 
tant point in regard to the position of 
tribals. What is om conception of wild 
life ? I should think that wild life includes 
not only ihe denizens of forest who belong 
to the animal species or the bud species but 
but also the human species. Wild life pro- 
tection must mean, at the same lime, pro- 
tection of the tribal population who live 
inside those forest regions and contiguous 
areas. Wild life piolection should also 
mean, in my estimation, piolection of 
Ranthambore 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What about 
denizens of the city ? ( Interruption ) 

SHRI H. N. MUKHERJEE : Actually 
the wild animals, if they could speak up, 
would speak of denizens of city in a manner 
which would not be relished by many of us. 
Let us take the words as they are conven- 
tionally used. Wild life protection, surely, 
should imply protection of the tribal popula- 
tion, surely should imply protection of such 
historic relics as Ranthambore fort which is 
very near Sawai Madhopur sanctuary. 
They are doing nothing of that sort but on 
the contrary, the human denizens of ttw 



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forest are being treated in a very shabby 
manner. Of course, we are interested, as 
far as this legislation is concerned, in the 
protection of what is conventionally called 
wild life, and from that angle I would like 
to know, particularly, some details about 
what exactly is happening 

We talk so much about the necessity of 
protecting wild life. But actually what is 
the position ? In regard to lions which have 
been described as our national animal, if 
between 1880 and 1900 there was only a 
dozen lions in Gir, and there are 300 now, 
why can we not make sure that our lion 
population increases to an optimum point ? 
I would like to know if the Minister can tell 
us what happened to the lions which were 
let loose in the Uttar Pradesh forest near 
Chandra Prabha river. I think, in Utter 
Pradesh, there were seven lions in 1964. 
The number was expected to rise to eleven. 
They may have vanished; for all I hear 
from the paper reports, they have vanished. 
But Government should tell us what exactly 
has happened. Even in regard to Gir-at 
one time there were very few but now we 
have got at least 300 or so —we should 
know a good deal more 

I find also, before he died Jim Corbett 
made a complaint that the National Paik oi 
whatever it is named after him, was allotted 
originally 180 sq miles but 55 sq miles 
were taken out of the allocation, and Jim 
felt it very badly. I would like to know if 
the Minister happens to know anything 
about it, if the onginal allocation of land 
to this Corbett National Park was 180 sq. 
miles and if 55 sq. miles were laken out of 
that and if something is now going to be 
done in regard to it. 

I would like to know, for instance, also 
about white tigers of Rcwa. I have seen 
in this book, which is generally accepted as 
authoritative — E P Gee’s. The Wild Life 
of India a description of Rewa; there is a 
palace-cum-fort called Govmdgarh in Rewa 
where white tigers were kept and it is a very 
marvellous place. I would like to know, 
now that the princes are de-recogmsed and 
denuded of their ill gotten privileges — if I 
can put it that way that is happening, if 
Government is going to take charge of a 
place like Govindgarh Palace because, accor- 
ding to the description given by Mr. Gee in 


this book, it. is a wonderful place which 
should be kept, the place where white tigejs 
could be reared, and later on we could send 
them out to the different parts of the coun- 
try. 


I would like to know what are the 
schemes, if any, in regard to Sunderban 
areas of West Bengal, the ouginal home of 
the so-called Royal Bengal tiger and what 
has happened to schemes we hear from time 
to time about national parks and sanctuaries 
near about that place, in Frasergay or some 
such other township in that area. 


Sometime ago, 1 think, it was my im- 
pression that Dr. Karan Singh’s Ministry 
did some publicity about a bird sanctuary 
in the Salt Lakes near Calcutta, but it seems 
now the salt Lakes are going to be utilised 
for other purposes, for the construction of 
some ramshackle houses, and the result 
is that the whole idea of a dird sanctuary 
in that kind of place near the 
heart of the big city, is dropped. 
Something has been done to 'it. But 
we hear nothing at all about that sort 
of thing, We find in this legislation a 
number of steps in regard to dealing with 
the malpractices of the trade as well as of 
poacheis and other people. Now, 1 do 
not know if the Government is taking any 
steps to have possession, almost immedia- 
tely, of every head, skin, horn, etc. that 
may be in show-rooms or sales-rooms or 
empona all over the counliy, so that you 
can strike the evd at the root— now you 
are giving a long notice tn people who are 
carrying on nefarious activities in regard to 
our wild life so long — but I do not see any 
indication of that On the contrary, as 
Mr. Deb has pointed out, the Government 
is rather, soft to companies which deal in 
this business but aie rather harsh on the 
denizens of the jungle. 


I would like also to find whether the 
Government has any schemes about better 
provisioning in our forests so that the ran- 
gers and others are equipped with transmi- 
tters so that whenever they get any infor- 
mation and that has to be sent quick, they 
can send the information in as quick time 
as possible. 



AUGUST 21, 1972 


( Protection ) Bill 252 


251 Wild Life 
[Shri H N. Mukerjec] 

1 do not know what steps the Govern- 
ment are taking in order to take charge of 
the entire trade of taxi-dermy and that sort 
of thing. There are places in Calcutta, 
near the New Market in Calcutta, there is 
a miniature zoo sort of place where animals 
and birds are kept in impossible conditions 
and they are sold out to foreigners. You 
can get anything. Even a tiger cub is avai- 
lable at a few hours* notice if you want to 
have it. What is the Government going to 
do about that sort of thing 7 Are we mak- 
ing an appeal, for example, to many of those 
old houses belonging to the aristocracy where 
there are valuable trophies, antelopes, skins 
and that sort of thing 7 Are the Govern- 
ment thinking of getting hold of those things 
and keeping them at a place where the pub- 
lic can have access ? Otherwise, what is 
the point of our talking about wild life and 
that sort of thing ? 

Are we going to associate with govern- 
mental activity on the regulation of wild 
life many of these people who are some- 
times described as — I do not like the very 
word ■genllemen Shikaries’ ? Many of them 
have a genuine love for wild life. Many of 
them who come forward, many of them who 
have done a gieat deal of shooting in their 
life and who prefer now fo do photography — 
are wc going to utilise the services of 
the^e people ? Mr. Gee, who is now un- 
fortunately dead was a foreigner. There 
are many people in our own country, many 
people in Rajasthan and other areas who 
have been very good Shikaris, very good 
shots and they can co.ne foiward with the 
camera rather than with ihe rifle in order 
to help the wild life. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We would 
like to hear more from the hon. Member, 
but, unfortunately, the time. is very short. 

SHRI H. N MUKERJEE : My grous 
has been that if this Bill had been truly and 
carefully considered and if this Bill had 
gone through a committee, the committee 
could have asked for information in regard 
to the present-day conditions of wild life. 
The committee could have found out ways 
and means of improving wild life in our 
country. The committee could also at the 
same time have brought about a fool proof 
legislation in regard to the preservation of 


wild life. But what the Government does 
is to merely send us a 42-page Bill for discus 
sion and the Government goes to the Busi- 
ness Advisory Committee and says, ‘We 
would like to have it passed in this session.* 
The Government prevents a member of its 
own Party from even moving a motion for 
reference to a Select Committee so that 
some sort of discussion can take place. The 
Government says, ‘Take it or leave it*. 
This is very wrong. It is a good objective. 
No doubt about it. It is an objective which 
even Ashoka sought 2500 years ago, but a 
good objective can never be achieved by this 
kind of a wrong thing. The Government 
has not taken Parliament into confidence. 
In regard to this kind of legislation, there 
is no harm if there was a little delay by a 
f orf night are so and this matter referred to 
a Select Committee. Even now, if the 
Government Wishes, this matter can be 
referred to a Select Committee. We can 
waive the Rules. The Minister can move 
a motion for reference to the Select Commit- 
tee. The Committee may report within a 
week’s time n.td we can have the legislation. 
It would be ;• great deal better and after 
having heard Mi Deb who lives in Tripura, 

I know how very close he is to the jungles 
and he belongs to the people who are part 
of the soil in that region of our country, 
after having heard him, I am more than 
ever convinced that this Bill has been 
hastily drafted, peovocatively presented to 
Parliament, caiclessly sought to be passed 
into legislation and defective in its substance 
Therefore, l plead with whatever strength 
I have at my command, that this Bill should 
be referred to a Select Committee with 
special instructions to report before the 
end of the session It would otherwise be 
merely playing ducks and drakes with the 
problem which is very serious. It is extre- 
mely serious to those of us here who want 
our wild life to be preserved in the best 
mnaer possible and we are not getting the 
kind of satisfacrion which we want by this 
Bill. I therefore appeal to you and throagh 
you to the House that this Bill should be 
referred to a Select Committee even at this 
late stage. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I agree 
that there should be more informed speeches 
on the subject; and it is for the benefit of 
the Government also. But, I am bound 
by the decision of the House. The time 



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(Protection) Bill 254 


allotted is 2 hours. There is a long list of 
speakers who want to participate. 1 would 
request them to be as brief as possible. 

Dr. Karan Singh 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KAR \N SINGH): 
Sir. it is not so much as Minister of Tou- 
rism that I rise to support this Bill, although 
Wild Life Tourism is indeed potentially a 
very important source of tourist promotion 
and of tourism income in our country, but 
it is rathes'in my capacity as Chairman of 
the India*’ Board lor Wild Life that I par- 
ticipate in this discussion If you give me 
about ten minute?, I will try to throw some 
light on some of the points which have been 
raised by my esteemed frie-.i Professor 
Hiren M- kherjee. 

Before I come to the problem of India, 
1 would i ke to place the whole wild life 
situation in its broader world perspective. 
Man is only one of the many millions of 
species that inhabit this planet. But, as a 
result ol his lulhless domination of the 
natural icsouices of the earth, a situation 
today has arisen in which mat-y hundreds 
of species have been extinguished and many 
hundreds more are on the varge of extinc- 
tion. With the tremendous increase in the 
power given to men by science and techno- 
logy his intervention in the natural processes 
that have been continuing on this planet for 
millions anjJ millions of years is beginning 
to become more and more decisive, and as 
a result of this the ecological balance of 
nature is beginning to be upset and upset 
in many ways which are irreveisible. There 
have been urbanisation, industrialisation, 
population growth and increasing deforesta- 
tion and pressure upon forests. As a result 
of this we find drought, erosion, change in 
the climatic condition, floods and so on. 
These arc only some of the more evident 
and dramatic aspects of the tremendous 
pressure upon natural resources that man is 
now beginning to bring about. Ecology is 
therefore becoming increasingly important 
for the welfare of mankind itself. Nuclear 
weapons pose a threat *o mankind, and 
possession- of nuclear weapons rruy well 
mean destruction of all life on earth. But 
a situation has developed today where the 
possibility of ecological disaster also can- 
not be ruled out. In fact in many of the 
socalled advanced and developed country 
the ecological problem has become very 


acute. Ecology does not know any frontiers. 
If the oceans are polluted in the U.S.A. 
sooner or later that pollution will adversely 
affect other oceans and other countries. 
Ultimately this is one earth, one unit, single 
and indivisible. 


There are a number of interesting books 
on the subject. I am sure Prof. Mukerjee 
has seen some of them. There is one book 
Silent Spring by Rachel Carson. These 
insecticides and pesticides which arc used 
have also a tremendous effect in destroying 
mLch of (he natural life that exists. Then 
i here is the Closing Circle by Barry Common 
— I do not know whether you had read it; I 
wc uld stiongly suggest it — then Planet in 
Pint, Bin print for Survival and so on There 
,irt a number of studies for the layman which 
f iead, b. ing out dramatically the tiemen- 
iio is danger that mankind is facing today. 


I had the privilege this year of bring in 
the Indian delegation to the Stockholm 
CcnferenLeon the Human Environment. 
It ivas a needed a very remarkable gathering 
the first of its kind in the entire history of 
the human race. It was remarkable in the 
unanimity it was able to bring about among 
the nations of the world with different, poh- 
tiacl, social and economic systems on the 
necessity of doing something to prevent 
ecological disaster. In that Conference, the 
Indian delegation had the privilege of intro- 
ducing a new principle on w Id life. The 
House will be interested to know that when 
I introduced it — it was our draft — it was 
accepted with acclaim because every nation 
represented iheic — there over a hundred — 
realised the impoi lance of wild life. The 
final declaration did contain our principle, 
which rea^s as follows . 

“Man has a special responsibility to 
safeguard and wisely manage the heri- 
tage of wild life and its habitat which 
are now imperilled by a combination of 
adverse factors. Nature conservation 
including wild life must, therelore, 
receive importance in plnnnmg for 
economic development”. 

I think it is very important for us to 
realise that the ecological compulsion con- 
cerning wild life is not simply a luxury or 



255 Wild Life AUGUST 21, 

[ Dr. Karan Singh ] 

a fad of the more developed nations; it is 
something to which every responsible govern- 
ment, particularly a nation like ours which 
is now on the threshold of a new leap for- 
wards m economic development, must give 
due weight. The constitulion by the Prime 
Minister of a Committee on Environmental 
Planning and Co ordination is a major step 
in this direction. In our own land — l will 
not go into the historical background because 
that would take too long— Prof. Mukerjee 
and my colleague, Prof. Sher Singh, 
mentioned Asoka and the gieat traditions 
we have in this country with regaid to ani- 
mals, the Hindu tradition, the Buddhist 
tradition, the Jain tradition and so on. 
Today I can say with authority as Chairman 
of the Indian Board for Wild Life that the 
position with regard to wild life in India is 
needed desperate. My hon friend, Prof. 
Mukerjee spoke of panicky reports in the 
papers. 1 can assure him that whatever 
reports havo appeared in the papers are in 
the nature of gross under-estimates The 
situation today is that a large number of 
species has already disappeared and many 
others arc on the verge of extinction. 
Fores fo are being denuded in a most dan- 
gerous manner as a result of which even in 
my own life ime — and that has not been 
too long — the difference is easily visible. I 
think 1 can say that in 25 or 30 years in 
places like Kashmir, for example, the whole 
climate has changed because forest after 
forest has been destroyed and the entire 
beauty and the natural vigour of the place 
has disappeared 

14 hrs. 

I took over as Chairman of the Indian 
Board for Wild Life m 1^69 and very soon 
thereafier, in October of that year, we set 
up an expert committee. The report of 
the committee which we received in August 
1970 has certainly been placed in Pari a- 
ment Library. I am not sure if it has been 
laid on the Table. It is a report of experts 
fiom our own country— not foreigners — 
people who have lived in this country all 
their lives and who know the prob- 
blem. It is a short report and I 
woold stronnly commend it to mambas 
for, it tries to give in a short compass ihe 
situation as it is and brings out the urgency 
that exists. One of the reasons why 1 think 


1972 ( Protection ) (Bill) 256 

we are so reclutant to have any further 
delay on this is that with the greatest of 
difficulty we have succeeded, for example, 
in banning the shooting of the tiger comp- 
letely. It took me two years, and the 
Prime Minister had personally to intervene 
with the Chief Ministers before they agreed 
that the shooting of tigers should be banned. 
Otherwise, — the tiger census is in progress 
now — it is estimated that there are less 
than 2000 tigeis in the whole country, 
wheeas at the turn of the century it is 
estimated that there were about 40,000 to 
50,000 tigers. So the tiger has reached the 
point of ecological minimum. As you know 
Sir, if (he nu.nber of animals falls below 
the ecological minimum, there is no longer 
a natural regeneration, and the animal 
becomes extinct. The danger is that even 
these 2000 tigeis are not in one area, but 
they are separated in different areas and in 
veiy much the sort of way in which you 
mop up puddles of water, one by one, these 
little units of tigers are becoming exstinct. I 
think that we must realise that it is not 
only a tiger qua tiger which is important ; 
the ti;er is a beautiful animal, of course, 
and it has been a symbol of power and of 
beauty and of majesty in this country, and 
naturally we want it to survive. But it is 
not so much the tiger as tiger, but the tiger 
as a symbol of the natural environment 
with which man must live. 

There is an increasing alienation bet- 
ween man and his natural environment, and 
this alienation has produced in many of the 
so called advanced countries of the world a 
state of what can only be termed mass 
neurosis. It is important, therefore, that 
when we in India are at the beg.nnmg of a 
new process of economic development, we 
must take this very very actively into cog- 
nizance. Otherwise, even though we may 
have no ill- will against wild life and we may 
generally wish that wild life is maintained, 
it will not remain, because the very com- 
pulsions of economic development are such 
that it is simply not possible for the wild 
animals to subsist unless very special mea- 
sures are taken. In fact, it was as a result 
of one of the recommendations of the 
expert committee that the Ministry of Food 
and Agriculture took up this matter with 
the States and with our Law Ministry, and 
ultimately drafted this very substantial and 
comprehensive piece of legislation. . 



Bill 258 


257 Wild Life (Protection) SR AVAN A 30, 1394 SAKA ) 


Certainly, it is true that simply by 
passing this legislation, the problem will not 
be solved. Three things are essential. 
Firstly, the State Governments must fully 
cooperate. Most of the powers under the 
Constitution belong to the State Govern- 
ments. Certainly, the Government of India 
are now seeking to enter the arena ; other- 
wise it would simply not be possible for it to 
ensure success. But whatever powers the 
Government of India may take, unless the 
Stare Governments are fully involved, unless 
they fully cooperate, it will not be possible 
for this to succeed. Very often, although 
in the ultimate analysis, there is no conflict, 
very often there is some measure of conflict 
between people who may be living in the 
forest and between the necessity and com- 
pulsons of wild life. The same js tiue, for 
example, of our architectural heritage. After 
all, we have a cit> like Fatehpur Sikri. It 
is possible to argue that with so many 
people houseless, why d^n’t you move ten 
thousand people to live in Fatehpur Sikri ? 
But these are great artistic treasures, and 
great aspects of our national heritage. In 
very much the same way as wc look upon 
the Taj Mahal or the great temples of South 
India or the great monuments that have come 
down to us throug the ages, and we look 
at our great artistic heritage of painting, 
music and dance, we must also look a t the 
wild life heritage. No longer as the preserve 
simply for those who, for what I am sorry 
1 can only describe as sadistic activity, 
went around shooting, and who were very 
proud of the fact that they had shot a 
hundred tigers or a thousand tigers which 
to my mind at least is an unspeakable 
thing to have done — but that is a different 
matter; — it cannot be so now for a privi- 
leged few who may fancy themselves to be 
great shorts and who, therefore, instead of 
going and shooting at targets go round and 
try to shoot these defenceless animals. I 
have no sympathy for this sort of people. 
But I want this wild life to be kept for the 
people of India. That is why in wild life 
tourism we are building lodges in our san- 
ctuaries, and we are giving mini-buses. We 
want the young people and the students to 
go and see our wild life. Sir, you yourself 
are coming from an area where there are 
mountains all around and there are beauti- 
ful forests. We want the young people ia 
India to grow up with a love for this aspect 
of our heritage. We want the young people 
tobe able to realise that the world in which 


they live is not only a world of cement and 
concrete and mortar and roads and noisy 
planes and buses. It is also a world of 
natural beauty. It is a world where beauti- 
ful creatures can only live, and they should 
also be seen Therefore it is in order to 
safeguard this great national heritage of 
ours for generations yet unborn that I 
would very strongly commend this Bill to 
the hon. House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In view of 
what you have said, would you support that 
the Bill be referred to the Select Commit- 
tee, even if it were to consider more carefully 
your weight observations ? ( Interruptions ) 

DR. KARAN SINGH ! The problem 
really is this it is already later than we 
think; it is very late and, although it is my 
colleague who has to deal with it — and I 
do not want to say anything at length — I 
genuinely, honestly feel that this is the first 
time that the Government of India has 
come forwa r d with this comprehensive 
legislation. This should now go through. If 
there are any problems which anse in its 
implementation, we can certainly go into it. 

I am sure my colleague will assure the 
House that they will be looked into. Let us 
work 1 1 for six months. If there is anything 
wanting, we will be the first to come for- 
ward with amendments. Please let us not 
hold it up. 

SHRI MOHANRAJ KAL1NGARAYAR 
(Pollachi) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while 
speaking on this Bill — Wild Life (Protection) 
Bill, 1972 — I would like to make some re- 
marks. We have been very busy since our 
Independence; so busy that most of our 
time was utilised jn politics, population, 
defence, ‘industrial and economic problems. 
So, due to these major problems, our wild 
life did not get proper care and protection. 

Since the last 20 years, there was an 
Indian Board for Wild Life functioning as 
a central advisory body. I would like to 
know whether they have submitted any 
report about its working and so on. The 
Wlid Life Board has done some timely work 
by saving the rhionoceros in Assam and 
West Bengal and the Asiatic lions in Guja- 
rat. But at the same time we cannot just 
depend on two of our wonderful animals. 
We have got to look out for the cat famNy, 



259 Wild Life AUGUST 1, 1972 (Protection) Bill 260 

[ Shri Mohanraj Kalinganayar ] 

that is, the tiger and the panther, which are by the veterinary doctors, so that they do 

slowly vanishing. They have become so not infect the foot-and-mouth disease to the 

extinct in some parts of the South wheie we wild animals. What I recommend to the 

have very thick forests such as those in hon. Minister is that every sanctuary, every 

Mysore and Tamil Nadu. 1 fully agree national park, should have a veterinary 

with Prof. Mukerjee that this Bill should be hospital on the site and we should have 

given a legal and powerful effect and it young veterinary doctors well-trained in 

Should go to Select Committee. protecting and curing wild life. 


Another very important matter which I 
want to tell the Minister in this speech is 
this. Those people living in villages have 
found out a cheap way of killing the cat 
family, that is, killing the animals with the 
poison called folidol. It is very easy to kill 
the animals with folidol; and then they sell 
the skin at a high rate. There are the un- 
official hide dealers waiting to buy these 
skins. This thing should be stnctly dealt 
with. 


Another very important factor is this. 
It is no use just talking about protecting 
wild life when most of the forests are being 
cut down. When all the big trees arc cut 
down, where will the wild animals go ? We 
are indiscriminately cutting and clearing the 
forests and planting eucalyptus trees there. 
I want to ask the Minister, by planting 
eucalyptus trees in the forests for thousands 
of acres, in which way are they going to 
protect wild life. They keep on cutting the 
forests, and finally a stage will come when 
there would not be any place in (he foiests 
for the animals to live. 

Another important point is this. The 
time is very short and 1 do not wart to 
dwell at length. But the main thing which I 
want to tell the Minister 'is this. About a 
year back, in Tamil Nadu, at the Mudu- 
malai game sanctuary, there was an attack 
of foot and-mouth disease and thousands of 
bisons were dying every day. And that 
was an area where there was the largest 
concentration of bisons. There was no 
medicine and by the time the Forest 
Department took action, there was only a 
couple of them which survived, and they 
are living now. When we asked the Forest 
Department, they said they were taking 
action. What I feel is the domestic animals 
living in that area, before they are sent for 
grazing in the sanctuary area or the national 
park, whatever it is. should be checked up 


Now that our Government has brought 
the Wild life (Protection) Bill, we should 
give serio us thought to it. Even with all 
the safeguards that the Central Government 
and the State Governments take, still, there 
is poaching and unaurhonsed hunting going 
on. Not only does it happen in parts of 
the forests, but also in the sanctuaries and 
national parks. 

Government should check the taxider- 
mists who cure and stuff animals. They 
should be asked to produce up-to-date lists 
of all the animals they have stuffed and the 
number of orders that are pending with 
them. With this, we confind out if anyone 
wants to stuff the animals illegally, and 
then he could be arrested and action taken. 

Another important thing is this. In 
Chapter III, in clause 17, I would like to 
add one more provision with your kind 
permission ; that is, a hunter should not use 
a telescopic sight on his weapon to kill the 
animals. If he is not able to sight and kill 
and aim with his own naked eye, he does'nt 
deserve to hold a gun. I suggest this pro- 
vision, and I hope the Government will take 
it up seriously. 

Now that most of the animals are be- 
coming extinct, what 1 feel is that there 
should be a complete ban on hunting for 
two to three years, and all the forest 
licence-holders and licence-holders of guns 
should submit their weapons to the nearest 
armoury, in order to give wild life a chance 
to multiply. We should insist on this. 

Coming to my own State, we have very 
good forests on all sides of our State. We 
have a wonderful bird sanctuary, 50 to 60 
miles away from Madras, at Vedanthangal. 
The Central Government has got a small 
rest-house, but there is no improvement. 
That sanctuary gets during the sea son most 



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of the birds from all parts of the world. It 
is a sanctuary worth expanding for foicign 
tourists. The Central Government should 
come to the State Government's help to 
develop this bird sanctury. 

In conclusion, I would request the 
minister to take firm action. It is not too 
late. Even now we can protect some of the 
extinct animals by having very good advi- 
sory boards. Otherwise, our children will 
see only stuffed animals in the museum. 
Please do not bring it to that stage. Please 
take some firm action to save wild life. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Apart from 
the six names given officially by the Cong- 
ress Party, 3 names have come privately. 
Besides there are speakers from the opposi- 
tion members and the minister. Even if I 
give 5 minutes to each, 1 would not be able 
to manage it within 2 hours. And, l think 
it is unfair to give anybody less than 5 
minutes. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO 
(MAHENDRAGARH) ■ I have demanded 
that it should go to the Select Committee 
Why not do that ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I cannot 
do that or my own. Mr Nimbalkar. 

SHRI NIMBALKAR (Kolhapm) : 
Sir, 1 would like to tell the gentlemen here 
that within the time that this Bill was 
mooted and was known to the public that it 
was going to be put before the House, 17 
rhinoceroses have already been killed and 
their horns removed for trading. The 
longer we go on delaying this Bill, the more 
such incidents are going to happen. Even 
if we are not completely agreeable to this 
Bill— 1 myself am not — still it is necessary 
in the interests of wild animals that we 
should pass this Bill now without going 
through the select committee stage. We can 
always bring amendments. Since there are 
a few ministers here, I want to say some- 
thing about the kind of Bills we should 
bring. Then they are will understand the flaws 
in this Bill. I am myself on the committee 
that is creating the Bill for water pollution. 
In our country, we have been facing certain 
difficulties in bringing these Bills. Other 
countries have formulated their Bills and 
amended them over 300 or 400 years. Our 


country is being forced to make Bills in 25 
years' time we have had uptill now. So, 
we have to take a revolutionary attitude 
towards them In these Bills must be 
incorporaied certain clauses which force us to 
see that this Bill is implemented. Many of 
the laws we enact here become redundant 
because they are not implemented. They 
are formulated in such a manner that one 
can avoid them. This is one such Bill, It 
would be good if the minister looks into it 
again and removes the lacunae when it 
comes to that stage. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : How and 
when ? 

SHRI NIMBALKAR : When you 
frame the rules, you can get rid of most of 
the lacunae. 

SHRI DESARATHA DEB : Then he 
should agree to referring it to Select Com- 
mittee. 

SHRI MIMBALKAR ; The rules are 
not made by the Select Committee, The 
rules have to be framed by different States 
because the conditions vary from State to 
State. 

As my hon. friend, the Minister of 
Tourism, has pointed out this Bill alono 
will not solve the problem. What is worse, 
it does not contain one provision which will 
help us to solve this problem. The Minister 
has no respect for a person who goes out 
and shoots 100 tigers. I also have no 
respect for that person. These people aie 
called shikaris. There is a great difference 
between shikaris and hunters. A shikau 
goes out with the jntention of killing and 
bringing it home. When a hunter goes out, 
he may see many he may not shoot any of 
them, because he knows that it is not the 
right time to shoot that type of animals m 
the interests of wild life. That is why I 
say that there should have been a ptovision 
in this Bill to the effect that people who 
are given licence to hold arms should know 
something about animals, their breeding 
habits etc. Then they will have really a 
love of animals and out of that love of 
animals preservation of those animals are 
ensured. In the Alps of Europe, particu- 
larly in Bavaria, I have myself seen a lot of 
hunting. It is the hunters who ensure the 



263 Wild Life (Protection) AUGUST 21, 1972 B/U 264 

[Shri Nimbalkar] 


preservation of animals beeause the hunters 
know the habits of animals and when to 
shoot or not shoot them. Many people 
must have heard of Munich. If you go to 
Munich, in spite of the fact that animals 
are preserved in such a fine manner in that 
area, still venison is available in the market 
almost every day. You have to preserve 
animals; but sometimes you have to destroy 
animals in the interests of preservation of 
animals in the area. 

In this Bill nothing has been included 
which concerns fish. A separate Bill should 
be brought forward as early as possible for 
the protection of fish. 

There are three clauses of this Bill on 
which 1 would like to say something. 
Clause 11(3) says : 

“Any wild animal killed or wounded in 

defence of any person shall be Govern- 
ment property ” 

Really speaking, this is capable of implemen- 
tation. Because, once the animal is killed 
who is to bear the cost of removing it ? So, 
this part cannot be implemented Some 
other means must be found. 

Then, clause 14(4) says that no appeal 
shall be entertained unless it is preferred 
within fifteen days from the date of the 
communication to the applicant of the order 
appealed against I feel that it should be 
at least one month. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : How can 

the rules correct this 7 The rules cannot 

override the provisions of the Bill. 

« 

SHRI NIMBALKAR : Then, clause 
17(i) reads : 

“No person shall — 

(1) hunt any wild animal, on any 
land not owned by Government, with- 
out the consent of the owner or his 
agent of the lawful occupier of such 
land;” 

This is a ridiculous clause. It gives the 
individuals the chance to have their own 


sanctuaries. But with the ceiling that you 
are going to bring on land, I cannot imagine 
very many people having their own sanc- 
tuaries. There will be only a handful of 
people who will be having their own sanc- 
turies and the rest of the people will not 
have the benefit of that. I have no more 
comments to offer on this Bill. 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO 
(Mahendragarh) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, 

I welcome this long overdue measure. 
Almost everbody in this House has said 
that this is a very important legislation that 
Government wants to enact and that it 
should be made very effective. I cannot 
understand why Government should feel 
shy of sending this Bill to a Select Com- 
mittee to make it more effective at least. 

India which was once so rich in its 
fauna and attracted tourists Horn all over 
the world has now come to a stage when 
our wild animals are depleting and dis- 
appearing very fast. It has caused every- 
body’s concern. 

This is not the first measure of its type 
in the country. I remember, 15 years ago, 
the State of Punjab set the pace. A very 
comprehensive legislation was introduced, 
that is, the Punjab Wild Life Preservation 
Act. I happened to be the Minister in- 
charge, in 1957, and our Speaker, Mr. 
Dhillon, was the Speaker of the Punjab 
Assembly. We hoped that would serve as 
a model for the whole country to preserve 
wild life. That Act was extended to Delhi 
State and it is stul in force in Delhi 
territory. 

What I ask the hon. Minister is : Does 
he not know that in contravention of that 
Act, even now, in Delhi, you can purchase 
any number of partridges in season and out 
of season from Jama Masjid ; that you can 
purchase any number of cartridges from the 
deep-freeze apparatus of some shop in 
Connaught Place or in another shop in 
Chankayapuri ? Any number of quail and 
partridges in season and out of season are 
sold in Delhi from year to year. U. P. and 
Haryana and almost without any partridges, 
quail are black buck today. The hon. 
Minister belongs to Haryana. He knows 
very well that his State abounded in black 
buck a few years back. But in spite of the' 



265 Wild Life ( Protection ) SRAVANA 33, 1 894 (S\fCA) 


B ill 266 


Act to preserve wild animals and, parti- 
cularly, black buck, the State Government 
and the Central Government has not been 
able to do anything either in Haryana or in 
Delhi. 

Haryana has suffered because of the 
shikaris going out every week from Delhi, 
most of them diplomats having some 
immunity. Nobody has the courage to check 
them. They bring any number of birds. If 
the wild life, particularly, birds have dis- 
appeared m India, it is not because they 
were boiled in the pots of common man, 
but, I maintain, it is because they have 
found their way in the pot bellies of 
Government officials, particulaily, policemen 
forest officers, judges and magistrates who 
were charged with the responsibility of 
enforcing this Act. You can go to any 
manage of Magistrate's daughter anywhere 
in India and, l say, there will be partridges' 
parties. Thousands of partridges will be 
caught. These poor people cannot have the 
courage to commit an offence unless insti- 
gated and paid by a police officer or a 
forest officer We are again charging these 
people with the responsibility of preserving 
wild life. That is why, 1 say, to make this 
Act effective, we must think more about it. 

I have been intimately connected with 
this thing. That is why we request the hon. 
Minister and we request you Sir, also to 
use your influence. There are many lacunae 
in this Bill We would like panchavats to 
be given the powers to check (hese offences 
in their respective areas. No Director or 
Preservation Officer can find his way into 
the villages and they cannot detect the 
offences We might think of certain other 
things. Many things have been left out of 
this Bill, 

I was looking at Schedule I. Our 
Government does not seem to know that 
even black partridges are fast disappearing 
like black buck. I would suggest that this 
should be included in Schedule I Painted 
sandgrouse which was abundantly found in 
India some years ago and imperial sand- 
grouse which was abundantly found in 
Bikaner and other places in India are 
extinct now. 

You cannot find them. They should be 
included in Schedule I. Even elephants 


have been included in Schedule II. 
Elephants would very soon be extinct in 
India like tigers. They should also be 
included in Schedule I. It is a different 
matter if Govern ment has the right to trap 
them and to use them, but it should not be 
left to hunters or game wardens to issue 
licences to hunt elephants. 


That is why I oppose the introduction 
of this measure in such a hasty manner. 
They have already taken 25 years; only now 
they have woken up. Can they not wait 
for one week or ten days more ? This Bill 
is nothing but an exact copy of the Punjab 
Wild Life Preseivation Act. What credit do 
they want to appropriate to themselves by 
this ? I have seen every word of this Bill ; 
it is based on the Punjab Act. Why can 
they not make it more effective for the 
whole country ? They can also find time to 
get the Resolutions of the other States in 
India where the Assemblies have not yet 
passed legislations to the effect that the 
Centre should legislate for them. They can 
force them ; they can get their Resolutions 
by the next Session and then it could be an 
Act for the whole country. It does not 
look nice if only a few State® are mentioned 
where this Act would be effective, would be 
imposed. Many State Assemblies have not 
yet passed Resolutions, States like Mysore 
and Assam are very rich in games. It is 
most important that these States also 
should be made to follow suit. If they can 
call the Chief Ministers for land legislation 
measures and force them to do things 
against the wishes of the Assemblies, why 
can they not force them on such a measure 
which is a beneficial thing to do ? Their 
policies are contradictory. The best Shelter 
that wild animals and birds find is in 
common lands of villages, in pasture lands. 
They are not taking any steps to see that 
these common lands and pastures in villages 
particularly in the plains, are exempted 
from the application of ceiling laws and 
preserved. If that is not done, the wild life 
will completely disappear from the plains 
at least. Forests are being denuded, as you 
know, Sir, coming from hill areas. On the 
one hand they arc denuding forests and 
on the other hand they are thinking of 
acquiring lands to put up forests ? Why 
should they not protect the existing forests 
if they really love wild life ? 



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258 


267 Wild Life 
[ Shri Birender Sing Rao ] 

With these words, I Would say that they 
could take a little more time and refer this 
Bill to a Select Committee, even if the 
report is to be made within a week. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am told 
that there are a number of amendments 
that have been sent just today. Normally a 
day’s notice is necessary, but I am told 
that there is one amendment by Govern- 
ment also. Due weight is to be given to 
the Government’s amendment to its own 
Bill. If I accept the Government amend- 
ment. 1 cannot discriminate against the 
amendments be private members ( Interrup- 
tion) Therefore, I will accept these 
amendments. Efforts are being made to 
circulate them. If they are not circulated, 
then we shall adopt the novel procedure, as 
we did the other day, of accepting amend- 
ments at the last minute and asking the 
members to read out their amendments. 

Mr. D. P. Jadcja. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA (Jamnagar) : 1 
rise to con »iatu late the Government and 
the Minister, in particular, for bringing 
foiward a Bill which is something different 
from all those Bills on wild life, game sanc- 
tuaries and forests that have been intro- 
duced in this country since over a hundred 
years. This Bill, in particular, is different 
from others because here we concentrate 
more not only on the preservation of wild 
life but also for its protection fiom the 
hunter and the trader. 1 am sure that this 
clause is indicative of the interest which the 
Government and the Minister have shown 
in introducing this Bill. 

This Bill, I am sure, will be a very 
effective measure and the vanishing wild 
life of this country will Be safe hereafter. I 
would like to join my fnend, Mr. 
Nimbalkar who has asked for a similar Bill 
for the preservation of fish and as it con- 
cerns the same Ministry, 1 would request 
the hon. Minister to bring forward a Wild 
Life Conservation Bill, so as to control the 
exploitation of fresh-water and sea fish. 

1 would like to make a few suggestions. 

[ will not speak on the amendments now, 
that I have given. 


the Government to take away the weapon 
during the off-season. I would go a stage 
further and say that crop protection should 
be a State subject and the Centre should see 
to it that crop protection is taken by the 
State and enforced properly. The arms 
licences which are there should be con- 
trolled and the Act that covers them should 
also be amended and in that, I would like 
the Minister to consider a very serious 
point and that is that whenever an arms 
licence is given, the game warden should 
also be consulted. 

As you have noticed, a number of 
Members have asked for time to speak and 
that shows their interests in wild life. I 
would request the hon. Minister that as 
there is interest in wild life from Members, 
from all sides of the House, he should have 
a permanent Committee at the Central level 
of MPs and the Prime Minister should be 
consulted about this — that is, to have a 
separate Minister who should be in control 
of wild life. 

A system of rewards for informers — 
this is a very very serious matter. Even in the 
coastal areas where smuggling is going on, 
the Central Excise give 10% of whatever is 
caught. 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER All this is 
done by wild life — smuggling ? 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : The informer 
who gives genuine inforiration about wild 
life should be rewarded. The local people 
also should be involved whereby they also 
become part and parcel of the programme. 
When you take ihe public into confidence, 
then I feel even the staff would do excep- 
tionally good work and those who do good 
work in controlling the wild life should be 
given promotion and should be given incre- 
ments and should be suitably rewarded for 
whatever work they are doing in regard to 
preservation of wild life. 

A suggestion I would like to make to 
the Minister — let it go from the Ministry also 
that every Government office and every 
school in this country should have an illus- 
trative chart showing those species of wild 
life which are getting extinct. 


Crop protection — Many members have I would like to ask the hon. Minister a 

poken about it and they have suggested to few questions. As the time is running short, 



269 Wild Life 


SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) (Protection) B/II 270 


I will not speak more on it. But, I come 
from Gujarat where we have the famous 
Gir forest and the Gir sanctuary is there 
and I have learnt that to protect the lions, 
there is a scheme to have a 4* wall allround 
the sanctuary at a cost of Rs. 37 lakhs. 
Pumping in money alone is not going to 
save the wild life. I would like to know 
whether a 4’ wall is going to stop any ani- 
mal from jumping over it. what animal 
except the hare or the porcupine is going to 
be saved 7 Why not have some scheme 
by which less money can be used and this 
money, the surplus, can be given to those 
shepherds and cowherds who are being 
asked to move out of that area. When I 
take the name of cowherds, to-day there 
are over 20,000 cattie in that area, the Gir 
forests, whereby no grass is left for the * 
domestic animals there, namely the deer and 
other ammnls on which the lion is going to 
prey. To-day, 40,000 animals over and 
above the 20,000 which are already there 
arc allowed to come and graze. 1 would 
like to know from the Government what 
steps they are going to take to see that 
these extra cattle do not come in. 

Another thing, Gujarat is a place, so 
well-known for the black buck Only 20 
years ago there were over two lakhs of black 
bucks. To day there are not more than 
2000. Black buck are sold by truck-loads 
in the Ahmedabad bazaar. What measures 
the Government are going to take to con- 
trol this -laughter of black bucks from the 
Bhal area 7 

A word about a bird which is almost 
getting extinct the great Indian bustard. 
The female lays only one egg a year. That 
is almost getting extinct and as some of our 
friends said, the Panchavati Raj institutions 
should be involved in this and it is only if 
the Panchayati Raj and the local village 
panchayats take interest in this* this bird 
can be saved; otherwise I am sure in the 
next five years, you will not have a single 
bird of this species to be seen. 

One more point, in the north of Guja- 
rat we have got the famous breeding ground 
of flamingoes. May I know from the 
Government what steps they are taking to 
preserve this bird and in making it a tourist 
attraction and also to see that this area of 
flamingoes does become a national project 
and not only a local project 7 


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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We began 
the debate at 12.55 and we are just four 
minutes short of two hours. The Minister 
is yet to reply to the debate. We have also 
to take up clause-by-clause consideration. 
There are still a large number of names 
here. Fortunately they are all from the 
Government side. I should like to know 
what the Government wants to do with it. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Members 
feel rather emotionally about it and I would 
plead that you may kindly consider extend- 
ing the time by about half an hour so that 
four or five speakers could be accommo. 
dated. 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Even if it 
is extended by half an hour so that four 
Members could participate, it will mean one 
hour because the Minister has yet to reply 
and there is clause-by-clause consideration 
If that is the wish of the House we shall do 
80 . 

SHRI J. B. PATNAIK (Cuttack) : 
This is a Bill which should be welcomed 
by all sections of the House. This is a 
much desired Bill although a much delayed 
Bill. Now we should not do anything which 
would cuase further delay in enacting this 
measure for which the country has been 
awaiting so long. The deroage done to wild 
life not only in this country but in the 
.world is great and civilized men all over the 
world are aware of the situation. 


Figures show that about 358 kinds of 
known mammals and birds became extinct 
by the year 1600 A.D. Out of 4226 species 
of mammals living 40 species are extinct 
and out of 8648 living species of birds 93 
have extinct since then. 

India has fared no better. Our country 
was known for the variety and richness of 
its wild life, particularly bird life. Out of 
8600 or so species of birds known to sci- 
ence today, India has 2016 species but 
many of these birds and mammals are now 
on their way out. The famous cheetah known 
for its speed and beauty has become extinct 
since the fifties. The black buck, the four 
horned antelope and the great Indian bus- 
tard are on the wane, as previous speakers 
pointed out. 

Wanton killing of birds and beasts has 
to be stopped and an enactment of this 
kind should be there. But it is not on 
humanitarian grounds or beauty grounds 
alone that this measure should be enacted. 
It is a question of benefit to the human 
species itself. Some of (he African coun- 
tries derive their major revenue from wild 
life tourism as in Kenya, Uganda and 
Tenzania. They earned as much as about 
Rs. 20 crores worth of foreign exchange 
from wild lifetourists. There is no reason 
why India having doubled their wild life 
reserves cannot develop its wild life. Then 
again wanton killing of birds and animals 
shows an utter ignorance of the balance 
that nature has built. If snake population 
diminishes the rate population increases and 
a great havoc is done to crops in the pro- 
cess. So also if frog population diminishes, 
the increase of insects harmful to man has 
to be taken into account. So, protection 
of wild life has become an essential part of 
our life and our enviro nment. 


Coming to the Bill, I am of the opinion 
that a more comprehensive Bill which should 
have taken into account the entire gamut of 
conservation of wild life, not only protec- 
tion of wild life should have been brought 
forward before this House. This Bill does 
not take into account the destruction caused 
by building new dams and new cities and 
before station on a very large scale. I do 
not mean that developmental activities should 
stop, but what about the wild life that is 



AUGUST 21, 1972 


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280 


279 Wild Life 
[ Shri J. B. Patnaik ] 
destroyed in the process and what alterna- 
tive are we providing for them 7 

15 hrs- 

Constitution of wild life boards is all 
right to stop wanton killing and control 
trade in wild life products. But more 
mammals and birds die because of rapid 
change in their environment because of 
pollution of air, water and the seas. So it 
is necessary that the ecological aspect of 
the whole thing should have been taken into 
account. 

While speaking about wild life board I 
should like to suggest that ecological boards 
should be formed in different states and 
there should be a commissioner of ecology 
in every Slate. He should be assisted by 
this board. Departmental heads, such as 
forest department secretary, and also secre- 
tary of the irrigation and power department 
of agriculture and other developmental 
departments should also be associated with 
these boards. 

Regarding Schedule I of the Bdl I have 
a doubt and 1 request the hon. Minister to 
clarify it. Cheetah has been included in 
schedule l but it is already extinct. Are 
you going to keep «t on that schedule which 
is completely meaningless ? There is also 
no reference to voluntary associations in 
this Bill. Voluntary associations have to 
play a big part and there should be some 
provision in them. 

I should conclude by referring to Simili- 
pal national park in Orissa. It is already 
there on the wild hfe map of India but this 
will not do; I should like the Central 
Government to come in a big way and take 
up this national park and develop it as their 
own. 

• 

Secondly, Chilka lake is one of the 
biggest lakes on the eastern coast. Chilka 
has suffered because of ecological reasons. 
Earlier it was proposed that there would be 
a naval training school for boys in Chilka 
lake but that had been postponed because 
ecologists objected that bird life there would 
be destroyed. I request the Government of 
India to compensate it by developing Chilka 
lake as the biggest bird sanctuary of our 
country. 


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2» Mid Life (Protection) SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) 


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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : I am extremely grateful 
to hon. Members who have participated in 
the debate and who generally welcomed 
this BiP. I am especially grealful to 
Dr. Karan Singh who intervened in the 
Debate and who lightened us by his speech 
which was Full of emotion and which was 
rational also. One point raised by hon. 
Members was regarding the protection of 
the interests of the tribals. Mr. Deb and 
other? mentioned this. We tried to collect 



291 Wild Life ( Protection ) AUGUST 

[Prof. Sher Singh] 

information from all the States regarding 
the hunting rights of the tribils and the 
information that we received was from only 
one State, the Union Territory of Anda- 
mans. There are some hunting rights of 
tribals. We have protected those rights. 
We have provided this in Section 65 of this 
Bill. Therein we have provided that the 
hunting rights conferred on the Scheduled 
Tribes of the Nicobar islands in the Union 
Territory of Andaman and Nicobar islands 
will be protected. There are forest laws 
which even now cover hunting, and there, 
hunting is prohibited for tnba’s as well as 
for others. 

One question was raised about the 
difficulty which they may have to face for 
protecting the crop The fear was, they may 
not be able to kill the animals for saving 
the crops. This point was raised by some 
hon. Members. 1 request them to read Sec- 
tion 11 (1) (b) wheiein it is provided that 
the Chief Wild Life Warden or the authorised 
offiecer may, if he is satisfied that any wild 
animal specified in Schedule II, Schedule 
11 [ or Schedule IV, has become dangerous 
to human life or to property (including stan- 
ding crops on any land) or is so disabled or 
diseased as to be beyond recovery, by order 
in writing and stating the reasons therefor, 
permit and person to hunt such animal or 
cause such animal to be hunted. Property 
includes cattle also If the animal becomes 
dangerous for cattle and for persons or for 
crops, that animal included in Schedules 
II to IV can be killed. The only exemption 
is in respect of Schedule I, because, these 
are rarest of animals which we do not want 
to become extinct. 

SHRI R V. BADE : The animal can be 
killed wiih the permissioa of the Govern- 
ment if it becomes dangerous. That can be 
done with the permission* of the Govern- 
ment. But, if it attacks cattle, can you 
suo motu kill it or not ? 

PROF. SHER SINGH : Here it says— 

' Chief Wild Life Warden or the authorised 
officer”. There are so many officers in the 
forest itself. The cultivator can obtain per- 
mission from him and then kill. That pro- 
vision is already there. 

SHRI DASARATHA DFB : I know of 
one case where so many crops were destroyed 


21, 1972 Bill 292 

because a tiger was killing the cattle; I had 
to wait for one full month, before I got per- 
mission from the State Government to kill 
that particular tiger. After waiting for a 
long time when the permission came, I 
killed it. 

PROF. SHER SINGH : Professor Hireo 
Mukerjee raised several points. He men- 
tioned about Rewa white Tigers. He wan- 
ted to know whether they are being main- 
tained or not. I want to mention for his 
information that they are being maintained, 
in the Delhi Zoo’ogcal Park. He raised the 
question of the bird sanctuary in the Salt 
Lake area. We are in correspondence with 
the West Bengal Government. But the 
Civil Aviation Department has raised some 
objection, regarding the formation of a b*rd 
sanc'uary there because of its nearness to 
the airport. We are considering all these 
points. As for the provision of better tele- 
communication facilities, this is also 
under active consideration of the Govern- 
ment for certain selected sanctuaries and 
national parks. Grant of permission for 
phoiogiaphic use of sancluanes is also pro- 
vided for. Some points weic raised about 
laxi dermy. Control of commerce in wild 
animals and laxi-dermy is provided for in 
Chapter V. 

One point was raised by Shri Daga. 
This is about the term ‘public purpose'. He 
said this term need not be there, so that 
compensation may not be heavy It is not 
possible for us to acquire any land unless 
it is acquired for a public pu.posc. There- 
fore we have to make this particular pro- 
vision for it. 

References were made about black buck, 
portndges and elephants. We have ntho- 
rised the State Government and the State 
Governments have powers to include any 
animnl, not being those of Schedule I or 
the second part of Schedule II. It is diffi- 
cult for them to take out once they are 
included in Schedule 1, but they can always 
add animals in the first part of Schedule II. 
That power rests with the Slate Govern- 
ment. 

Mr. Mohanraj Kalingarayar of Tamil- 
nadu spoke about the raising of ucalyptus 
plantations. I [psty inform him, this is not 



293 Wild Life Protection) SR AVAN A 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


Bill 294 


done in wild life reserve areas. This is only 
done in protective forests. He also raised 
the question of locating vaterinary dispen- 
saries in sanctuaries and national pa rks. We 
have made provision for inoculation and 
prophylactic measures against diseases in 
sanctuaries. It has been provided for. But 
I do not think that it is necessary for every 
sanctuary or every national park to have a 
veterinary dispensary of its own, because it 
is nnt possible for us to bring those animals 
every now and then, because those animals 
are not there to be caught. So, there is no 
need to locate any dispensary there. 

A question has been raised about fish, 
whether fish is also included in wild life 
and whether something is being done in 
regard to fish also. There is a provision in 
the Bill under which fishing also could be 
regulated. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA That is only 
for inland fisheries. 

SHRI ZULFIQUAR ALI KHA* 
(Rampur) There are two types of fish 
actually. 

PROF. SHER SINGH : I agree with 
the hon. Member that we should have some 
organisation at the all India level to protect 
wild life. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : One for fnh 

also. 

PROF. SHER SINGH : We have one 
headed by Dr. Karan Singh, and under his 
dynamic leadership, the Indian Board for 
Wild Life is doing very well, I suppose 
everyone will agree with me on this, and 
we should congratulate him for the various 
steps that he has been taking for protecting 
wild life. 

As for the ecological aspect also, because 
due to water pollution or air pollution etc 
wild life is destroyed, recently Government 
have constituted a National Committee on 

Environmental Planning. 

» - 

As for referring this Bill to a Select 
Committee, I dd not agree because if it is 


referred, it will take some more time, and 
as one hon. Member has said, within two 
or three days of the introduction of this 
Bill, seven rhinoceroses have been killed, 
and, therefore, I think that in the interes ts 
of wild life protection, it is necessary that 
once this Bill is moved, we should not waste 
any time but should pass it immediately. 

I thank all hon. Members who have 
taken part in the this debate and welcomed 
this Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That the Bill to provide for the pro- 
tection of wild animals and birds and 
for matters connected therewith or 
ancillary or incidental thereto, be taken 
into consideration.” 

The motion was adopted 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall 
now take up clause- by-clause consideration. 
Since there are no amendments to clauses 2 
to 4 I shall put them together to vote. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 2 to 4 stand part of the 
Bill”. 

The motion was adopted 
( louse 2 to 4 were added to the Bill. 

Clause 5 — ( Power to delegate) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I now 
come to clause 5. 

SARI D P. JADEJA : I have an amend- 
ment to the Title. 

» 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Normally 
we take up clause 2 first and go on till we 
come to the end of the clauses and the 
Schedules, if any, and then we take up clause 
1, the Enacting Formula and the Title. That 
is the procedure. 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 1 beg to move : 

Page 5, lines 1 and 2, omit ‘with the 
previous approval of the Central 
Government.' (12) 



AUGUST 21, 1972 


Bill 296 


295 Wild Life (Protection) 


[Shri M.C. Daga] 

Page 5, lines 5 and 6, omit ‘with the 
previous approval of the State Govern- 
ment*. (13) 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I shall now 
put these two amendments to vote. 

Amendments Nos. 12 and 13 were put 
and negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER The 

question is : 

“That clause 5 stand part of the Bill’*. 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 5 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 6 ( Constitution of wiid Life 
Advisory Board) 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
a number of amendments to clause 6, some 
of which have been given notice of only to- 
day. If they are moved, I shall read out 
those amendments to the House. Others 
which were circulated before need not be 
read out. 

Is Shri D. P. Jadeja moving h,s amend- 
ments? 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, I am not 
moving them. But 1 would like to 
explain. . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Is he 
moving the amendments or not ? 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No. 

SHRI M. C. DAGA C : I beg to move : 

Page 5, line 21, for ‘Chief Secretary* 
substitute ‘Revenue Secretary* (14) 

Page 5, line 32, after ‘and’ insert ‘not 
exceeding three*. (15) 

Page 5, line 32, after ‘non-off icials,* 
insert ‘the rest*. (16) 

jPage 5, (i) lines 35 and 36,— 


5 for ‘one of the members of the 
Board’ substitute ‘Chief Conservator of 
Forests or Chif Wild Life Warden* 

(ii) line 36, — for ‘thereof* substi- 
tute ‘of the Board*. (17) 

SHRI R. V. BADE : I beg to move : 
Page 5, after line 34, insert : 

‘Provided in those Districts where 
there are tribal blocks, four members out 
of fifteen should be from the Scheduled 
Tribe*. (50) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an 
amendment standing in the name of Prof. 
Sher Singh. Is he moving it ? 

PROF. SHER SINGH : No, I am not 
moving it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 shall put 
all amendments together. 

SHRI R. V. BADE Mine may be 
put separately. 

PROF. SHER SINGH: I accept amend- 
ment No. 17 moved by Shri M. C Daga. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now 
put amendment No. 14 by Shri Daga to 
vote. 

Amendment No. 14 was put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question 
is : 

Page 5,— 

(i) lines 35 and 36. — 

Por “one of the members of the the 
Board” svbstimte “Chief Conservator | 
of Forests o* Chief Wild Life frffj otr » 

(n) line 36 , — for “(hereof” substitute 
"of the Board”. (17) 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER : I shall now 
put amendments Nos, I? and 16 to vote. 



297 Wild Life (Protection) 


RAVANA 30, 1894 ($AKA) 


B ill 298 


Amendments Nos. 15 and 16 were 
put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall 
now put amendment No. 50 by Shri Bade to 
vote. 

Amendment No. 50 was put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 

question is : 

“That clause 6, as amended f stand part 
of the Bill”. 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 6, as amended , was added to the Bill. 

Clause 7 — ( Procedure to be followed 
by the Board ) 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to 
move : 

Page 5, — 

after line 44, insert — 

"Provided that no such meeting shall be 
held outsido territory of the respective 
State.” (31) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
amendmen No. 31 to vote. 

Amendment No. 31 was pwt and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 7 stand part of the Bill”. 
The motion was adopted . 

Clause 7 was added to the Bill . 

Clause 8 was added to the Bill • 

Clause 9 — (Hunting of wild animals) 
PROF. SHER SINGH ; I move : 

Page 6, line 21, — 

for “under” substitute “referred to 
in” (60) 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question 


Page 6, line 21, — 

for “under” substitute “referred to 
in” (60) 

7 he Motion was adopted 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Tne ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 9, as amended, stand part 
of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 9 , a s amended , was added 
to the Bill. 

Clause 10 waj added to the Bill. 

Clause It (Hunting of wild aimals 
to be permitted in certain cases 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I move : 

Page 7, line 31, — 

after “person” insert — 

“or in defence of one’s standing 
crops” (32) 

Page 7,— 


after line 37, insert — 

“Piovided that qieat of the killed wild 
animal or animals shall not be used as 
traditionally eaten category of 
food by the killer.” (33) 

SHRI R. V. BADE : I move : 


Page 7, line 31, — • 


after “person” Insert — 

“or for protection of his cattle or 
crops” (51) 



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AUGUST 21, 1972 


Bill 


300 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; I shall put 
these amendments to the vote. 

Amendments Nos . 32, 53 an d 51 
were put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 11 stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 1 1 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 12 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 13 — ( Suspension or cance- 
llation of Licence) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an 
amendment by Mr. Rana. Are you moving? 
—No. The question is : 

“That clause 13 stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion waj adopted , 

Clause 13 wa* added to the Bill. 

Clause 14 (Appeals) 

SHRl DASARATHA DEB : 1 move : 

Page 8, line 21, — 

after “communication” insert — 

“reached” (34) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
the amendment to the vote. 

Amendment No. 34 was put and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 14 staad part of the Bill." 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 14 was added to the Bill. 


Clauses 15 and 16 were added to the Bill . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Amendment 
No. 21. Mr. Daga — not moving. The 
question is : 

“That clause 17 stand part of the Bill.” 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 17 war added to the Bill . 

Clause 18 was added to the Bill . 

Clause 19 — (Collector to deterimine 
rights) 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I move : 
Page 9, line 35. — 
add at the end — 

“Right of any person in or over the 
land comprised within the limits of the 
sanctuary shall include the rights of 
tribal thumias over the land which has 
been traditionally used for the purpose 
of jhum cultivation by tribal 
people.” (35) 

SHRI R. V. BADE : I move : 

Page 9, line 35,— 
add at the end — 

“The Collector should see that such 
area is not near the vicinity of irrigated 
land or land used for growing crops.” 
(52) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
these amendments to the vote. 

Amendments Nos t 35 and 52 were 
pnt an d negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 19 stand part of the Bill." 
T he motion was adopted . 

Clause 19 was added to the BUL 



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Clauses 20 to 26 were added 
to the Bill 

Clause 27 — {Restriction on entry 
in sanctuary) 

SHR1 DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I have 
aD amendment, No. 36 to clause 27. I beg 
to move : 

Page 11,— 

omit lines 26 to 43. (36) 

PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 beg to move 
my amendment No. 61 to clause 27. I beg 
to move : 

Page 11, line 16, — 

for “who ordinarily resides*' 

substitute— 

“who has been permitted by the Chief 
Wild Life Warden or the authorised 
officer to reside” (61) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I put 

amended No. 36 to the vote of the House. 

Amendmeut No. 36 was put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I Put 
amendment No 61 to the vote of the House 
The question is : 

Page 11, line 16 — 

for “who ordinarily resides” 

substitute — 

“who has been permitted by the Chief 
Wild Life Warden or the authorised 
officer to reside” (61) 

The motion was adopted . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“TJhat clause 27, as amended, stand 
part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 27, as amended , was added 
to the Bill . 


Clauses 28 and 29 were added 
to the Bill. 

Clause 30— (Causing fire prohibited) 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : Sir, I hate 
an amendment to clause 30. I beg to move : 

Page 12, — 

after line 42 inssert . — 

“Provided that nothing contained in 
clause 30 shall render any such person 
liable to any punishment if he sets fire 
for ihe purpose of jhuming in the near- 
by area and if such fire caused the 
burning of a sanctuary due to the 
spread of fire of the burning of 
jhum.” (37) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I put 
amendment No. 37 to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendment No. 37 was put and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 30 stand part of the Bill.'* 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 30 was added to the Bill. 

Clauses 31 to 34 were added to the Bill. 

Clauss 35 — (Declaration of National Parks) 

SHRI R. V. BADE : Sir, I have an 
amendment to clause 35. 

I beg to move : 

Page 13,— 

after line 42, insert — 

“provided that the area declared to be 
a national park or sanctuary should be 
five miles away from the land used for 
growing crops.” (53) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
amendment No. 53 to the vote of the 
House. 



ANGUST 21, 1972 


Ml 304 


303 W ltd Life (Protection) 

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker] 

Amendment No. S3 was put an d negatived 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

"That clause 35 stand part of the Bill ” 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 35 wa s added to the B ill. 

Clauses 36 to 38 were added to the Bill . 

Clause 39 — (Wild animals , etc , to be 
Government property) 

SHRI DASARATHA DFB : Sir I have 
an amendment to clause 39. 

I beg to move : 

Page 15, — lines 17 and 18, — 

omit "or meat derived from any wild 
animal” (38) 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
amendment No. 38 to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendment No 38 was put and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

"That clause 39 stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 39 was added to the Bill . 

Clause 40 — (Declarations) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
two amendments — Nos. 39 and 40 by Mr. 
Deb and No 62 by Prof. Shcr Singh. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to 
move : 

Page 16, line 2, — 

omit "or meat derived from such 
animal/’ (39) 


Page 16, — 

after line 5, insert— 

"Provided that nothing contained in 
this sub-clause shall apply to the wild 
animals' articles that were acquired and 
have been possessed by any person 
before the commencement of this Act/* 
(40) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will put 
Amendments Nos. 39 and 40 to the House, 

Amendments No. 39 and 40 were put 
and negatived. 

Amendment made : 

Page 15, line 49, — 

after “for sale” insert — 

"or otherwise transfer” (62) 

(Prof S her Singh) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

"That clause 40 as amended stand part 
of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause A 0, as amended , was added 
to the Bill. 

Clawse 41 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 42(C — ertificate of ownership) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEARER : There are 
two amendments. Amendment No. 7 is by 
Prof. Sher Singh. That has been circulated. 
No. 41 is by Mr. Deb. 

Amendment made : 

Page 16, — 

omit line 33 (7) 

(Prof. Sher Singh) 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB i I beg to 
move : 



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Page 16, — 

after lioe 33, insert — 

‘*(3) Nothing in sub-section (1) shall 
apply in relation to wild animals and 
wild animals* articles possessed by any 
person before the commencement of 
this Act.*' (41) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now 
put Mr. Deb's amendment No. 41 . 

Amendment No. 41 was put an d 
negatived 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKEY : The ques : 
tion is : 

“That clause 42. as amended, stand 
part of the Bill." 

The motion was adapted. 

Clause 42 , as amended , was added to 
the Bill. 

Clause 43— 

(Regulation of transfer of animal, etc.) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is an 
amendment by Shri Jadeja. He is not 
moving it. The question is : 

“That clause 43 stand part of the Bill.” 
The motion was adopted. 


Clause 44 — 

(Dealings in t roply and animal articles 
w i\h out licence prohibited ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
three amendments by Mr Bade — Nos. 54, 
55 and 56. 

SHRI R. V. BADE : 1 beg to move : 

Page 18, line 17, — 

for “fifteen” subsitute “thirty” (54) 

Page 18, line 39. — 


306 

for “one year” subsitute three 

years” (55) 

Page 18, line 41,— 

' for “one year” substitute ‘throe 

years” (56; 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will 
now put these amendments of Mr. Bade 
to the House. 

Amendments Nos. 54 to 56 were put and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 44 stand part of the Bill.” 
The mot/on was adopted. 

Clause 44 was added to the Bill. 

Clauses 45 to 43 were added to the Bill. 

Clause 49— 

Purchase of captive animal , etc. by a 
person other than a licensee 

16 hrs. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I beg to move: 
Page 20, line 25, — 

after “purchase” insert “receive” (29) 

PROF. SHER SINGH: lam accept- 
ing it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 1 

Page 20, line 25, — 

after “purchase” insert, “receive** (29) 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 49, as amended, stand part 
of the Bill”. 



AUGUST 21, 1972 


Bill 308 


307 Wild Life (Protection) 

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker] 

The motion was adopted. Amendments Nos . 4 2 to 47 and 57 


Clause 49, as amended , was added to the 
Bill. 

Clause 50 was added to the Bill. 


Clause 51 — (Penalties) 

SHR1 DASARATHA DEB : 1 beg to 

move ; 

Page 21, line 49, — 

for “two years” substitute “six months'* 
(42) 

Page 21, line 50, 

for “two thousand" substiute “one 
hundred" (43) 

Page 22, line 6 and 7, 

for “six years" substitute “one year" 
(44) 

Page 22, line 7, 

for “five" substitute “one" (45) 

Page 22, line 10, 

for “one year" substitute “six months" 
(46) 

Page 22, line 11, 

for “one thousand" substitute 
“one hundred". (47) 

SHR1 R. V. BADE : I beg to move : 
Page 22, 

omit lines 22 to 27. (57) 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Amend- 
ment No. 48 is not admissible because an 
amendment cannot have a negative effect. I 
will now put Amendment Nos. 42 to 47 and 
57 to the vote of the House. 


were p ui and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 51 stand part of the Bill'* 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 51 was added to the Bill. 

Clauses 52 t* 54 were added to the 
Bill. 

Clause 55 — (Cognizance of offences) 
PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 beg to move : 

Page 23, lines 16 and 17, — 
for “the authorised officer" 

substitute — 

“such other officer as the State Govern- 
ment may authorise in this behalf" (11) 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

Page 23, lines 16 and 17, — 
for 1 the authorised officer" 

substitute — ■ 

“such other officer as tho State Govern- 
ment may authorise in this behalf" (11) 

\ 

The motion was addopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 55, as amended, stand 
part of the Bill" 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 55, as amended , was added 
to the Bill . 

Clauses 56 and 57 were added to 
the BUI . 



309 Wild Life {Protection) SR AVAN A 30, 1894 (S AKA) 


Bill 310 


Clause 58 — ( Offences by companies. 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB : I beg to 
move ; 

Page 23,— 

omit lines 37 to 40. (39) 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will 
now put amendment No. 49 to the vote of 
the House. 

Amendment No. 49 was put and 
negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 

question is : 

“That clause 58 stand part of the Bill 1 * 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 58 was added to the Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is 
no amendment to clauses 59 to 61. 1 put 

them to the vote of the House. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 59 to 61 stand part of the 

Bill” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clauses 59 to 61 were added to the Bill 

Clause 62 {Declaration of certain 
wild animals to be vermin. 

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to 
move . 

Page 25, line 1, — 

for “Notwithstanding anything contai- 
ned in sub-section (2)” 

substitute “Subject to the provisions” 

( 8 ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 

question is : 

Page 25, line 1, — 

for “Notwithstanding anything contained 
in sub-section (2)” 

substitute “Subject to the provision (8) 

The motion was adopted . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 


“Clauses 62 as amended, stand part of 
the Bill”. 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 62, as amended , was added 
to the Bill 

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is 
no amendments to clauses 63 to 66. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 63 to 66 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion was adopted 

Clause 6 3 to 66 were added to the Bill 
Firs 1 Schedule 

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to 
move : 

Page 28, — 

in item 17, — 

for “harmani” substitute “crossoptilon” 
(9) 

SHRI R. V. BADE : I beg to move : 

Page 28, — 

after line 31, Insert — 

“19. Peecock {Mayur). (58) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I 
put amendment No. 9 moved by Prof. Sher 
Singh to the vote of the House. 

The question is : 

Page 28, — 

in item 17, — 


for ''harmanr* substitute “crossoptilon” 
(9) 

The motion was adopted - 


SHRI R. V. BADE : 
ing my amendment. 

I am 

withdraw- 

Amendment No. 58 
withdrawn. 

was, 

by leave , 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 
tion is : 

The ques- 

“First Schedule, as amended, 

stand part 


Of the Bill.” 



311 Victoria Memorial AUGUST 21, 1972 (Arndt.) Bill 312 

[ Mr. Deputy Speaker ] 


The motion was adopted . 

First Schedule , as amended, was added 
the Bill 

Second Schedule , Third Schedule 

an d Fourth Schedule were added to the Bi //, 


SHRI D. P. JADEJA : No, Sir; I am 
not moving. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So, I put 
clause 1, the Enacting Formula, the Pream- 
ble and (he Long Title to the vote of the 
House. 


Fifth Schedule 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
two amendments Nos. 6 and 30 in the name 
of Shri D. P. Jadeja. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : I beg to move : 

Page 33,— 

omit line 10. (6) 

Page 33, line 4, — 

omit "1. Bandicoots.” (30) 

PROF. SHER SINGH : 1 am accept- 

ing Amendment Nos. 6 and 30. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; The ques- 
tion is : 


The question is : 

“That Clause 1, the Enacting Formula, 
the Preamble and the Title stand part 
of the Bill” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 1 , the Enacting Formula the 
Preamb\e and the Title were added to the Bill . 

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to move : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The quei- 
tion is : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.*’ 
The motion was adopt ed. 


Phge 33,— 

omit line 10. (6) 

Page 33 line 4, — 

0 m/t“l. Bandicoots.’’ (30) 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

“Fifth Schedule, as amended, stand 

part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Fifth Schedule, as amended , was added 
to the B/ll. 

Clause 1 — (Short t/tle, extent and commen- 
cement .) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is 
an amendment to clause 1 by Shri Jadeja. 
Are you moving ? 


16.10 hrs. 

VICTORIA MEMORIAL (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The House 
will now take up the next item, Victoria 
Memorial (Amendment) Bill. Prof. S. 
Nurul Hasan : 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg to 
move ; 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consi- 
deration.” 

16 - 10 - 1/2 hrs. 

( SHRI K. N. TlWARY /n the Chair ) 

This is a very simple measure which is 
being brought before the House. As the 
hon. House is aware, this Act was oriyi* 



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Memorial (Arndt.) Bill 314 


nally brought about for certain historical 
reasons, but what has happened in the 
meanwhile is that it has now developed 
into a period museum of considerable signi- 
ficance. The estimates Committee of 
Parliament had suggested measures to bring 
about cert in improvements and m accor- 
dance with the broad wishes expressed by 
the Estimates Committee, the foltowihg 
schemes have been included in the Fourth 
Plan for implementation : (l) improvement 
of library; (2) setting up of a conservation 
unit; (3) development schemes suggested by 
the Estimates Committee regarding display 
of objects and procurement of scientific 
equipment for preservation, including cellu- 
lose acetate papers; (4) preparation of 
standardised stock register and classified 
catalogues; and (5) publication of guide 
books. 

Some money has already been provided 
in the Budget in the current year and more 
will be allocated during the balance of the 
Fourth Plan. 

It was felt that, in the manner in which 
this Act was originally conceived, no quali- 
fications were provided for the membership 
of the Board. In this very short Bill it is 
said that the two nominees of the Govern- 
ment and the oiher persoru who are to be 
appointed by the trustees would all be 
persons having expert knowledge of the 
exhibits in the Museum, museologists, histo- 
rians or art historians. 

Another provision which this Bill seeks 
to introduce is that, instead of the {resident 
beinc (he President of the Board, the Minis- 
ter in charge of the Ministry of the ’’cntral 
Government concerned with matters elating 
to Victoria Memorial shall be the president. 

This particular measure has caused 
certain misgivings which has been expressed 
in the other Ho ise and which, 1 am sure, 
would be wide!, held in this House, also, 
and that is. regarding i he name ‘Victoria 
Memorial'. 1 would like to clarify that it is 
a name which n.akes me feel very unhappy 
indeed as I had stated in the other House. 
But, at the mot ent, Sir, it is a name which 
occurs id List 1 of the Seventh Scheu lie of 
the Constitute \ and I am having this 
matter examined, whether it would be 


possible for us to change this and if so, in 
what manner. In any case, that slant that 
has to be given to this Museum is a very 
different one, on the basis of which this 
institution was originally set up. The Board, 
as it was constituted, hardly provided any 
opportunity for the experts to give this new 
slant rind, therefore, 1 am seeking your 
indulgence and through you of this House 
to put forward this measure. I hope that, 
as a result of this measure, the new slant 
which all of us want to give to this Museum 
will be given so that it becomes a centre 
of modern ladian history, that it portrays 
quite correctly the hopes and aspirations of 
the masses of the people, particularly, the 
struggle for f eedom, and that whatever 
ojects of art are there are properly looked 
after, maintained and exhibred. 

J, therefore, hope that this measure 
would be accepted by the House. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 

“That the Bill further to amend the 
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consi- 
deration." 

♦SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR 
(Mathurapur) * Mr Chairman, Sir, I was 
concerned about this nomenclature ‘Victoria 
memorial' even before the Hon. Minister of 
Education mentioned about it This name 
recalls to our minds those hateful and 
shameful days of the British rule in India. 
This name is a symbol of those days which 
we are reminded of with a sense of humilia- 
tion. 

After 25 years of Independence and 
after 22 years of the adoption of the Consti- 
tution of India, this abnoxious nomenclature 
shoi\ld have been changed through an amend- 
ment in the Constitution. We are surprised 
that this has not been done through all those 
years. This ought to have been done much 
earlier. I hope the Government will take 
up thi ^ natter at the earliest. We have 
amencec very intricate and controversial 
provis ons of ihe Constitution. I do not 
think ht t any Member of this House or of 
Rajya Sabha will oppose the amendment 
in the C mstitu ion to change this obnoxious 
name vhich omy reminds us of our days of 
subjuga ioi and ihe worst days of British Colo 


♦The original speech was deliveied in Bengali. 



315 Victoria AUGUST 2l # 1972 Memorial (Arndt.) 'Bill 316 


[Sbri Madhuryva Haidar] 

nialism of which we were the victims. Only 
the minimum possible time will be required 
to amend the Constitution for this purpose 
and this measure will not meet with any 
opposition from any quarters. We have 
seen that the names of many roads in Cal- 
cutta and elsewhere in the country have 
been changed and the statues of many 
British rulers have been removed. There- 
fore, changing the name of this memorial 
should not pose any problem. 

Coming to this Bill, Sir, in the first 
amendment the word ‘President of India' 
occurring in the earlier Bill has been substitu 
ted by the words ‘the Ministry of the Central 
Government concerned with matters relating 
to the Victoria Memorial'. There is nothing 
to object to this amendment because the 
President is guided by the advice given by 
the Ministers, anyway. 

As regards the seconda mendment, /.e., 
clause (d) I have to say, Sir, that ^according 
to this amendment only those persons who 
‘in the opinion’ of the Central Government 
have expert knowledge of the exhibits in 
the Victoria Memorial or are musicologists, 
historians or art historians will be nominated 
by the Government. I have apprehension 
about this term 'in the opinion of the Go- 
vernment. This means that if the Government 
feels that some personss posses the necessary 
qualifications they can be nominated by the 
Government, he may be any Tom, Dick and 
Harry. This matter of ‘opinion’ is the vital 
thing. If in the opinion of the Central 
Government they are musicologists or histo- 
rians or art historians, they can be nomi- 
nated though they may not have any know- 
ledge or qualifications in those lines. 

During the celebration of the Silver 
Jubilee of our Independence, some freedom 
lighters of West Bengal were selected by the 
Government for being honoured through 
presentation of ‘Tamra Patras’. It was 
widely published in leading papers that many 
prominent and genuine freedom fighters 
have been left out of the list and as a result 
they were not presented with these Tamra 
Patras. It appeared that they were not 
eligible for this honour. This is an instance 
how the Government's opinion works. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : Mention about 
Tamrapatra is not relevant. This Bill is 
about Victoria Memorial. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : I 
am only citing the example. Her it is said : 

"That in the opinion of the Central 
Government”. Opinions differ. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : What is the use 
of going into Tamra Patra or any patra ? 
It is not relevant. Now you come to the 
Bill. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
About the third amendment, Sir, it has been 
stated in ter- alia therein 'shall be nominated 
by the Trustees ’ We have objection to 
this word ‘nominated’ again. The trustees 
will nominate the representatives to represent 
the general body of subscribers. This is not 
proper. There is no guarantee that such 
persons will represent the subscribers in the 
real sense. For example a member of Parlia- 
ment can be said to represent the Parlia- 
ment That I can understand. But if an 
outsider who is not a member of Parliament 
is said to represent the Parliament will, that 
be proper ? Therefore, the subscribers 
should choose their own representatives. 
The provision of the Bill is not clear here. 
Why should the trustees nominate them ? 

I feel that the word ‘nominated’ should be 
substituted by the word ‘elected by the 
subscribers.’ This will be in keeping with 
democratic principle also. I hope the hon. 
Minister will agree to the suggestion based 
on democratic principles, if he cares for 
democratic values. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : I 
fully agree with the sentiments expressed by 
my colleague who spoke before me. It is 
a tragedy, it is a sad commentary on our 
democracy, that still we have to tolerate the 
name of Victoria Memorial. Although I 
do not come from Calcutta, I visit 
Calcutta. There are thousands of 
foreigners who go there and take 
photograph of this memorial. Some of 
them turn round and ask us : How is it 
that you tolerate this photo of this lady, a 
relic of foreign imperialism, who bled your 



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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) Memorial (. Andt .) BUI 318 


country white ? We are unable to give an 
answer. Such statues in other countries 
have been removed. Even in Calcutta 
the statue of King George V was 
removed and those of the Army 
Generals who bled our country white were 
all removed. But (he statue of this lady 
remains shining even today. 1 do not know 
what is the good in her. Is it because she 
was a friend of India ? Not at all. During 
her reign the maximum of mis-rule took 
place in India. She bled our country 
white. 

I am sure, you, Mr. Chairman, will 
permit me to say that the worst massacre 
took place in this country during her rule. 
It is my submission that this hated relic and 
symbol of British tyranny should be removed 
forthwith Let it be kept in a museum if 
at all it should be preserved, with a caption 
on its head : "Here lies the relic of British 
Imperialism; she was responsible for blood- 
shed in our country.” 

In reply to the debate in the oiher 
House the hon. Minister said that he would 
like to give a different slant but then there 
are constitutional difficulties in the way 
to remove th,- name. I think if there is any 
provision standing in the way, it should be 
amended and both the Houses will only too 
gladly and readily agree to change the name, 
Victoria Memorial. 

This can be a great museum where pain- 
tings of great leaders, martyrs of Bengal can 
be hung like C. R. Das, J. M. Sen Gupta, 
Subhas Chandra Bose, Jatin Das, ill those 
whom Britishers used to call 'terrorists' 
but who really terrorised the Britr ers and 
challenged the British Imperialism with the 
help of their revolvers. What do we find 
there ? What are the pamtinj there 7 
One of the paintings is the battle o' Plassy 
where Mir J dfer is shown surren ering to 
Lord Clive. That photograph is ii .il! there. 
Thousands o: people go there. 

There is a suggestion by many eminent 
artists and diamatists that it should be made 
a national theatre. Articles have been 
written in the Jugantar about this. I hope 
the hon. Minster will kindly get them trans- 
lated apd rer 1 them. There is a movement 
going on in West Bengal that this should 
be converted mto a national theatre. Some 
people say that this should be converted 
into a national museum where the letters 


and other literature of the terrorists, or 
those whon the Britishers called terrorita and 
the freedom-fighters and martyrs should be 
kept. Instead of that, where are these things 
kept today ? Perhaps, they may be kept 
in the Lai Bazar Thana. I do not know 
whether they have been burnt. 

Here is a golden opportunity to remove 
that lady from there, her repulsive and 
repugnant face, and immediately she must 
be replaced by the statues of our martyrs 
who had shed the last drop of their blood 
for the sake of the country. 

I would request the hon. Minister who 
is a product of the nationalist struggle, and 
who knows the subject well to consider 
this matter. We are fortunate to ge* an 
Education Minister who knows something 
about education. I would request him to 
associate renowned historians, and they 
should be possibly nominated on this parti- 
cular committee. I have no objection if 
that is done. But 1 would only request the 
hon. Minister to consider one thing. I 
would like to suggest to him that we can 
follow what is done in the other countries. 
For instance, if we go to the Soviet Union, 
we find that students are taken and they 
are shown those places where the enemies 
of the revolution were shot. Those pic- 
tures and paintings are all there ; there are 
also the pictures of those who had stood 
against communism. If we go to the Latin 
American countries also, there also they 
will show us pictures and paintings of 
those who wanted to rob their country. 

Here, I take my hats off to the peace- 
ful people of Calcutta who have not 
removed the statue of Queen Victoria. We 
could remove her statue in Kanpur ; one 
fine morning everybody found that instead 
of Queen Victoria's statue, the statue of 
Gandhiji was there. We could remove it 
very nicely without damaging the statue. A 
similar thing could have been done long 
ago ai Calcutta also. Perhaps, the people 
of Calcutta must have been engaged in 
other things all these days. 

I have no objection to this Bill, and let 
the constitution be amended, and let the 
name he changed. I am sure the hon. 
Minister will agree to this. I would request 
the hon. Minister to give us a definite 
answer to this question and say that the 



AUGUST 21, 1972 Memorial [Arndt.) Bill 320 


319 Victoria 

[ Shri S. M . Banerjee } 

constitution will be amended and within one 
month, this lady’s statute is bound to be 
moved from there. 

•SHRI C. T. DHANDHPANI (Dhara- 
puram) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to say 
a few words on the Victoria Memorial 
(Amendment) Bill. 

I am sure, Sir, that none in this House 
will express any doubt about the need to 
protect and to preserve the historically 
important and valuable ancient literature 
and monuments. But, the Members of this 
House are bound to get the impression that 
only after the Estimates Committee of this 
House — of which you are presently the 
Chairman, Sir — had made certain recom- 
mendations in regard to maintenance and 
preservation of such precious things, which 
have cultural and historical importance, 
that the Government thought of talcing 
steps in that direction. I got this 
feeling when the hon Minister of Education 
stated that in due deference to the 
recommendations of the Estimates 
Committee certain schemes had been incor- 
porated in the Fourth Five Year 
Plan for the maintenance and preser- 
vation of Victoria Memorial which accord- 
ing to him has now developed into a period 
museum of considerable importance and 
significance. I wish to remind him that 
there are many such equally important 
monuments scattered throughout the Indian 
sub-continent which require immediate 
attention of the Government and it is also 
the sacred and bounden duty of the Govern- 
ment to preserve them for posterity. 

As my hon. friends who preceded me 
pointed out, the name ‘Victoria Memorial' 
is a standing reminder of the hated British 
Imperialism which was driven out of this 
country two and half decades ago. The 
hon. Minister himself expressed the same 
sentiments. But he stated that there was 
some ticklish constitutional snag, which he 
promised to remove as early as possible. 1 
wish to submit that this name ‘Victoria 
Memorial* should be changed and this 
House would only be too glad to give its 
approval for the constitutional amendment. 

I understand that certain scientific equip- 
ments preservation of Victoria Memorial are 
likely to be imported. I do not know 
whether we should take recourse to impor- 

•The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 


ting these things. In our country we have 
many eminent museologists, historians and 
art historians whose assistance is readily 
available in this matter. Could not the 
Government think of utilising their services? 
The Government should endeavour to 
procure things indigenously for this 
purpose. 

This is no doubt an important problem, 
but comparatively a minor problem. The 
people of Calcutta alone are intimately con- 
cerned with this problem. I would request 
the hon. Minister not to misconstrue what 
I am going to say as a Central-State issue. 

I am sure that the hon. Minister will agree 
with me that the concerned Sta'e is much 
more aware of the kind of problems in 
regard to (he maintenance and preservation 
of things of historical importance. Hence, 
the Central Government, fortunately 
endowed with all kinds of financial resour- 
ces, should give financial assistance to the 
State Government in this regard. It is not 
only the Victoria Memorial which requires 
such financial assistance from the Centre, 
but there are any number of such histori- 
cally important institutions which are in 
need of immediate attention and financial 
assistance from the Centre. 

For example, Unstarred Question 2883 
was raised by my hon. friend, Shri J. M. 
Gowdcr, belonging to my party, the Dravida 
Munnetra Kazhagam, which reads as 
follows : 

“Will the Education Minister state the 
reasons for deferring the proposal of 
formally declaring the TMSS Mahal 
Library, Thanjavur as an institution of 
national importance ; and 

the manner in which Government pro- 
pose to assist the Library financially ? 

The answer of the Education Minister 
is as f olIows : 

The State Government of Tamil Nadu 
has not agreed to the proposal of the 
Central Government that the constitu- 
tion of the Board of Management of 
the TMSS Mahal Library, Thanjavur 
when declared and financially assisted 
as an Institute of importance, should 



321 Victoria Memorial SRAVANA 30 » 18? 4 (SAKA) 


(Amdt.) Bill 322 


be bn the same lines as those of the 

Khuda Baksh Oriental Public Library 

Board, Patna. 

(b) the matter is under consideration. 

I refer to this because the Saraswathi 
Mahal Library is a treasure-hpuse of 
ancient Sanskrit literature about Indian 
culture, about science, about atom and 
about ancient India’s achievements in these 
fields. It has also got innumerable palm- 
leaf inscriptions in Tamil which are of 
great valu; and importance. When the 
State Govern ne.it ask for fLmeul assis- 
tance from rhe Centre for the purpose of 
preserving and maintaining thesj invaluable 
and precious things, it is really regrettable 
that the Centre should put forth certain 
conditions ab^ut the constitution of the 
management board etc. 

MR. CriURMAN . The subject under 
discussion is the Victoria Memonal. 

SHRl C T. DH\ND \PANI : The 
subject is only the question of assistance. 

I am not going oat of relevance to the Bill. 
When the Government have come forward 
to taking steps for the preservation and 
maintenance of Victoria Memonal, nans 
of which s.nieks of our seifdom under the 
British, I want to request the Government 
that they should come forward to assist 
financially miny such institutions of cul- 
tural and historical importance spread 
throughout the Indian sub-continent. 

With these words, 1 conclude. 

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Shn Maha Deepak 
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Let the quorum bell be runj — 

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AUGUST 21,1972 


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PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : 1 have 

very little to reply to really. The main 
objection has been about the name. I have 
already submitted that I want to change the 
whole slant of the Museum and l share the 
sentiments of the House. 


Objection was raised by my hon. friend, 
Shri M. Haider, about the Chairman. Since 
all of us want a considerable change to be 
made, it is only proper that a person who 
is responsible to this House becomes the 
Chairman. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 
Whether it is the Chairman or the Minister 
in charge. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : If he 
thinks there is no objection, I have nothing 
further to say. 

So far as the question of experts is con- 
cerned, till now the Central Government 
nominated two persons and it could nomi- 
nate anyone it liked. Now at least the 
Central Government is bound to nominate 
only those who are considered to be expert. 
Similarly the word ‘nomination’ in the 
context obviously means election, because if 
a general body of trustees nominates some- 
one, it means it is really an election. 

Sir, so far as the point made by my 
hon. friend Shri Banerjee is concerned, 
I find myself in the fullest agreement. I will 
see to it, as I have said, that if we have, for 
historical reasons, to keep any relics, then 
there should be suitable caption, so that the 
young people who go there understand the 
significance of it. 

SHRI S M BANERJEE: Can’t you 
get them stolen ? (Interruption) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : That is advice by your the 
political allies. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I leave 
it to my friend Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu to think 
it over. 

Then, I am sorry I cannot agree with 
the view that has been expressed that it 
should be converted into a theatre. 1 think 
it should remain a museum, but it should be 
given a new content, and it should be deve- 
loped accordingly. 



325 Victoria Memorial SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKa) St. Re$n. & I.IS.Co. ( Taking 326 
(Amdt.) Bill over of mznigement) Bill 


SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY Y A 
(Serampore) : What harm is there if you 
erect a stage there 7 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You can 
have a theatre where only plays in respect 
of the freedom fighters and political plays 
are staged. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As regards 
the protection of historical objects, I am in 
full agreement with my hon. friend Shri 
Dhandapani. As the House would recall, 
only this morning, I have introduced a Bill 
with the leave of the House which seeks 
precisely to bring about this protection. 

He referred to the imports of objects. 
The rules of the Government are very firm. 
Anything which is available m the country 
cannot be imported from outside. Only 
those things which are not available in the 
country and which are nevertheless consi- 
dered to be essential for the country are 
permitted to be imported, and my hon. 
friend can rest assured that nothing which 
is available in the country can be imported. 
I would like to go into the question of 
cellulose acetate myself. As has been 
pointed out, it was not being manufactured 
in India until sometime ago when I was 
connected a little more directly with educa- 
tion. Bot if it is now available, quite 
obviously we will use it, which has been 
produced locally, because the Estimates 
Committee's wishes have to be fulfilled. 

Regarding the reference to the Saraswati 
Mahal Library, I am in entire agreement 
with my hon. friend that it is a national 
treasure and even though there may be a 
difference of opinion between the State 
Government and the Union Government as 
to what is the best way of organising the 
governing body, the Central Government 
should give financial assistance immediately 
so that the preservation of the manuscripts 
is not delayed. The other discussions can 
continue. 

a 

The point that I have mentioned about 
historical objec's in general also applies to 
articles like sculptures and other objects 
d’art. 

With these few words, I move that the 
Bill be taken into consideration. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : 

"That the Bill further to amend tho 
Victoria Memorial Act, 1903, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha, be taken into 
consideration.'’ 

The motion was adopted . 

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are no 
amendments. The question is : 

"That clause 2 stand part of the Bill/’ 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 2 was added to the Bill . 

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the 
Title were added to the Bill . 

PROF. S. NtJRUL HASAN : I move : 
“That the Bill be passed. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : 
“That the Bill be passed." 

The motion was adopted. 


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SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SARA) (Taking over of 334 

Management) Bill 


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MR. CHAIRMAN . Resolution moved : 

"This House disapproves of the Indian 
Iron and Steel Company (Taking over 
of Management) Ordinance, 1972 
(Ordinace No. 6 of 1972) promulgated 
by the President on the 14th July, 1972).” 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) : Sir, I beg to move : 

“That the Bill to provide for the taking 
over of the management of the under- 
taking of the Indian Iron and Steel 
Company Limited for a limited period 
in 4he public interest and in order to 
secure the proper management of the 
undertaking, be taken into consideration." 

Before making my submissions to this 
House, may I first of all thank Dr. Pandeya 
for the support than he has given to the 


government for its decision to take over the 
Indian Iron and Steel Company ? I think 
I must have misread the Order Paper 
because tfie speech seems to be approval of 
the measure and disapproval only so far as 
the speed of take over is concerned. He 
thought we should have done it eariler; 
may be, he is right and I am wrong. But 
I assure him I am grateful for all the appro- 
val he has given and, so far as the criticisms 
are concerned, I will meet them in the 
the course of my submissions. 

Hon. Members know that Indian Iron 
and Steel Company, along with Tata Iron 
and Steel Company, were the two companies 
producing steel even in pre-war days. The 
rated capaciiy of Indian Iron was brought 
up to one million tonnes afier expansion in 
1953 and 1955 Indian Iron is a company 
which has a total subscribed equity capitcl 
of Rs 24.88 ci ores. It has also got prefe- 
rence capital ; but 1 need not go into that 
because that is compatively much less. But, 
out of this subscribed equity capital of 
Rs. 24.88 crores, somewhere in the region of 
49.34 per cent is held either by the public 
trusts, which is 13.50 per cent, or the Life 
Insurance Corporation, Unit Trust or the 
general insuiancc companies. So, at the 
time when we passed the Ordinance for the 
take over of Iron & SteeJ, really speaking, 
virtually 50 per cent of the shares were held 
by public financial institutions and were 
under the control of the government. So, 
naturally, hon Members will appreciate that 
government has taken a very active interest 
in the working of the company for quite 
some time, particularly in the very recent 
past. We were anxious to see that it should 
operate properly, and it is really from the 
point of view of its proper operation that 
we have taken this decision, which I now 
put before the f^ouse for approval, and also 
for the adoption of the Bill that is now 
before the House for discussion. 

The position, so far as Indian is con- 
cerned, is that from 1963-64 onwards there 
has been, in a sense a steady deterioration 
in production. 1963-64 saw Indian Iron 
produce one million tonnes of steel ingots 
and 810,000 tonnes of saleable steel. That 
dropped in 1964-65 slightly to 950,000 
tonnes of ingots and 755,000 tonnes of 
salable steel. But by the time we reached 
1970-71, it dropped to 627,000 tonnes of 
ingots and 523,000 tonnes of salable steel. 



335 St. Resn . Sc I.T.S. Co t AUGUST 21, 1972 (Taking over of Management } Bill 336 


[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalaro] 

1971- 72 saw a further drop lo 617,000 tonnes 
of ingots and to 500,000 tonnes of salable 
steel. That was the position so far as the 
period upto 1971 was concerned. 

Hon. Members will appreciate that the 
decision to take over the management of 
IISCO was taken after the end of the 
financial year 1971-7?. It was taken because 
if we take the figures of 1971-72, the last 
quarter, the production was 1,43.300 tonnes 
of ingots and 1,24,617 tonnes of salable 
steel. The first quarter of 1972-73, that is, 
April, May and June, 1972, gave us pro- 
duction 91,029 tonnes and 69,197 tonnes of 
salable steel. That is a drop of 36 per cent 
in the production of ingots and a drop of 
43 per cent in the production of salable 
steel a precipitous drop. 

In order to convey my ideas very clearly 
to the House, I would like to give a com- 
parison. Supposing we had continued to 
produce at the same rale for the whole of 

1972- 73 as we produced in the first quarter 
of 1972.73, we would pioduee 8,364, 116 
tonnes of ingots and 276,783 tonnes of 
salable steel compared to an a 1 ready low 
figure for 1971-72 of 617,000 tonnes of in 
gots and 500,000 tonnes of salable steel. 
Hon. Members will appreciate, therefore, 
that when I say that there was a disastrous 
drop in production, as between the last 
quarter of 1971-72, that is, 1st Januaiy to 
31st March, 1972 and the fust quarter of 
1972-73, that is, 1st of April to 30th June, 
1972, I am not using very strong language 
at all. On the contrary, my hon. friend, 
Mr. Hiren Mukerjee would have lightly 
used much much strongee language in a 
situation like this But 1 have still to learn 
from him in a matters of this character. I do 
say that it was a vejy very senous situation 
which ultimately compelled the Government 
to interfere and take o\er the management. 

Dr. Pandcya said that we should have 
done it earlier. That is a matter of opi- 
nion. It is not necessary to go into it now. 
What 1 seek to do today is to justify the 
action of the Government in taking it over 
on the day that we actually did. Hon. 
Members will appreciate that this ically 
meant that the Government was faced with 
a dilemma. Was the situation deteriorating 
in such a way that it required immediate 
intervention or not or would we be justified 


in waiting till the Annual General Meeting 
which ordinarily would be held sometime 
September or so where we could probably 
have mobilised more than a majority of 
vote3 in order to take over the management 
ourselves 7 We thought that the situation 
was critical enough and, I think, the House 
will also agree with the Government in the 
decision that it come to that the situation 
was critical enough and demanded imme- 
diate intervention And that is why we inter- 
vened immediately. 

The House will, of course, be anxious 
to know how it is that 11SCO was reduced 
to such a poor stale because there have 
been quite a number of statements coming 
from different quarters imphing that the 
mam leason for the deterioration in the 
IISCO was let me use a mild expression 
again— due to lack of cooperation fiom 
labour But the assessment of Government 
after going into the matter, both before and 
more so even in detail after the take-over, 
is that it was really due to neglect of main- 
tenance over quite a long period, non rep- 
lacement of equipment, lock of modernisa- 
tion because Indian Iron is an old plant, 
and of course, to some extent, disturbed 
industrial relations. 

17 iirs- 

The most dangerous area so far as 
Indian iron is concerned was really the 
coke ovens. We have got five batteries m 
Indian Iron batteries 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. 
Unfortunately, only batteries 7, 8 and 9 
were working and out of these batteries 7, 
8 and 9, battery number 7 was also in a 
very bad condition The Government 
Directors on the Indian Iron we have foil-, 
namely, the Secretary of the Steel Depart- 
ment, Mr. Sarin, the Chairman of Hindus- 
tan Steel, Mr. Bhaya, the Chairman of 
Bokaro Steel, as well as a lepresentativc of 
the Life Insurance Corporation, the Zonal 
Manager, Mr. Sohoni had been urging 
inside the Board itself that speedy action 
should be taken to bring back to life both 
batteries numbers 5 and 6, which had been 
banked. In fact, bettery number 5 has 
come into operation after a few days after 
the take -over. But as a result cf neglect of 
coke-ovens which, of course, is not a feature 
that is solely an Indian Iron feature, we 
had a serious situation so far as availability . 



337 S /. Rein . A /./. S. Co. SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) 


of gas is concerned, and that really was 
responsible for the very sharp drop in pro- 
duction which we have seen both in May 
and even more so m June. Both in Bhilai 
as well as in Rourkela, when we found our- 
selves in difficulties with regard to coke- 
ovens and therefore we were not really 
manufacturing enough gas to be able to 
work our rolling mills at the highest capa- 
city possible, what we had done was to 
introduce oil-firing, that is to say, using a 
different type of fuel which would enable 
us to keep our rolling mills going. Unfor- 
tunately, so far as Indian Iron is concerned, 
this precautionary step was not taken and. 
in fact, has only been initiated after the take 
over in the middle of July. 

It will, of course, be wrong on my part 
to hide from the Hou*e the fact that we 
have had a serious situation so far as indus- 
trial relations aie concerned in the Indian 
Iron. For many years there has been a 
rather peculiar sysfe u in the Indian Iron by 
which there was no week!/ off at all tfnd 
heavy overtime was paid. The result was 
that, wh;n an a»reenMt wis artivci at 
between the steel plants oi the one liand- 
and the Joint Wiges Negotiating Com nit- 
tee representing all the traie unms on the 
other regarding the level of wages and about 
the conditions of woik, in 19/0, though 
IISCO was a parly to that agiecinent — both 
the company and the unions — they found it 
difficult to implement it because it meant 
completely reorganizing the shift system in 
IISCO. That reorganization was ultimate- 
ly agreed to in December of 1971 and 
brought into operation some tune in 
February, 1972. But, unfortunately, it has 
not really gone veiy smoothly and this also 
has been a contributory factor so far as the 
deterioration in production in April, May 
and June are concerned. We are trying 
now, after Government has taken it over, 
to see whether it is not possible to sort out 
this matter, We have got the promise of 
fullest cooperation by the trade union and 
we hope that, as a result of the efforts that 
have been made, we will be able to find 
some solution Today, in fact, the Labour 
Minister of the West Bengal Government is 
down in Burnpur. I myself had been there 
after the take-over, and we are trying to 
give it as detailed attention as possible so 
to be able not merely to justify the decision 
of the Government which is not so irnpor- 


( Taking over of 338 
Management) Bill 

tant but to see to it that production is 
really increased in USCJ which, I think, is 
very very important indeed. 


Hon Members, I am sure, will be anxious 
to know what exactly the Government has 
done since the take-over in the midJIe of 
July. The first stco we took and really the 
most important step we took, is increasing 
the availability of coke on the one hand and 
coal tar on the other. Fiom the Durgapur 
Projects Ltd which is a public sector com- 
pany run by the West Bengal Government 
we have been supplied 1000 tonnes of coal 
tar and we have made use of it. We have 
been promised supply of coke and we will 
be using it. We have also got about a 
thousand tonnes of coal tar fiom the Durga- 
pur Steel Plant, the public sector steel plant 
in Durgapur, and that lias made up to some 
extent for the mal-functioning of the coke 
ovens. We are also attaching very great 
importance to the repair and rebuilding of 
the coke ovens on a pnority basis. Battery 
No. 5, as 1 mentioned to the hon Members 
just a minute ago, was commissioned on 20 
th July and this has resulted m a greater 
availability of gas as well as coke. We have 
also now drafted and are putting into effect 
a crash programme to introduce facilities 
for oil filing as a substilude for the use of 
gas which is not available in the sheet mill, 
the rod mill and the steel melting shop The 
cianes wc found were in a very bad way. 

I myself saw them when l went down to 
Burnpur and wc aie taking cm ii gent steps 
to recondition and replace the cranes and 
other equipment using mainly the services 
of Jssops. Finally we hace placed an 
emergent order for two boikis with the 
AVB which are very bullv nee led because 
of the chronic sboilage of steam at the work 
and fre hope to .get them working within a 
reasonable time. 


The most heartening feature actually 
after the take-over has been that we have 
been able to restore rolling the centre sill 
sections which has been put through a 
couple of weeks ago It was envisaged 
earlier and the pnvate management actually 
indicated to the Iron & Steel Controller 
that these sections could not be rolled and 
since these sections are mateuals which are 
important for the wagon-building industry, 



339 St. Res n. & l./.S.Co. AUGUST 21, 
[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam] 

virtually it would have meant the closure of 
our wagon-building industry. After the 
take-over we have been able to bring that 
particular section back into operation and [ 
think this is a substantial improvement. 

Now, to give hon Members the figures 
of production which, I am sure, they will be 
anxious to have, the position so far as sale- 
able steel is concerned, from the 1st of July 
to 15th of July, that is, before take-over, 
the production was 6409 tonnes, and from 
the 15th July to 3 1st July (after take-over) — 
the production is 10490 tonnes, and 1st to 
to 15th August it is 11 994 tonnes. So far 
as in gots steel is concerned, for the whole 
of July we pioduced 23, 789 tonnes of ingot 
steel and till August 20, that is, upto yester- 
day, we have produced 23984 tonnes. That 
is in 20 days we have surpassed the total 
production for July. I am not pulling these 
figures forward in an attempt to show that 
we are over the hump in 1LSCO. We are 
not. We are far from that because even if 
we produce, let us say, somewhere in the 
region of 30,000 to 35,000 tonnes of sale- 
able steel, we will be only reaching a total 
production in the year somewhere around 
4 lakh tonnes which is a miserable produc- 
tion and which we cannot at all be satisfied 
I only want to satisfy hon Member because 
it is my duly to attempt to at least satisfy 
them that the Government is taking the 
situation very seriously and is tiying to do 
the best that we can under these circums- 
tances. 

Before I close, just one or two remarks 
I would like to make about the Bill itself 
Hon, Members must have noriced a parti- 
cular clause in the Bill, I think it is clause 
3 sub-clause (3), where we have dealt with 
the question of contracts in relation to the 
management, that is to say, the managerial 
contracts that are set aside. The reason is 
that the hon Members known that Martin 
Burn were the Managing Agents right upto 
4th April 1970. Now, after the 4th of April, 
with the abolition of the Managing Agency 
system, the company is being managed by a 
Board of Directors under the chairmanship 
of Shri Biren Mukerji. But in a rather 
interesting manner, which I believe, is not 
uncommon in industry to-day, the Board of 
Directors appointed Martin Burn as the 
Secretaries of the Company to carry on 
the managerial and day-to-day administra- 


1972 (Taking over of Managwent( Bill 340 

tion of the Company, on a remunera- 
tion of Rs. 12,500 a month for a period of 
five years with effect from 4th April 1970. 
Not only that. A number of different con- 
tracts also were entered into with Martin 
Burn. They were appointed as registrars 
of Indian Iron; they were appointed to look 
after the security arrangement of the com- 
pany’s head office at Calcutta on a remune- 
ration of Rs. 7500. USCO were asked to 
pay a rent of Rs. 8 lakhs for the use of the 
premises of Martin Burn in Calcutta itself. 
Martin Burn was to provide the services of 
the Cash Department for 11SCO, as though 
I1SCO itself was not capable of providing 
such a service. USCO entered into pool 
service arrangements with all other partici- 
pating companies which earlier on had Martin 
Burn as their managing agents. Under this 
arrangement, I1SCO was drawing on the 
services of part of the departments of Martin 
Burn and Company, even though it had its 
own Departments. 

That is why under this Ordinance as it 
were, all contracts have been terminated 
which were contracts by which management 
had been handed ovei by means of any 
other concern. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Aliporc) : 
When this Bill is passed, will those contracts 
to which the Minister refeircd stand automa- 
tically terminated, or will the Government 
only have the power to terminate ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : If you loolc at the Bill itself 
you will see this. It refers to any contract 
whether express or implied or other arrange- 
ment m so far as it relates to the manage- 
ment of the business and affairs of the 
company in relation to it its undertaking 
and in force immediately before the appoin- 
ted day, and it shall be deemed to have 
terminated the the oppomted day. The 
question of the Government taking power 
to terminate the contract does not arise. 

As I understand it this is the position. 
Ultimately the courts will decide as to what 
is the interpretation of law. As I under- 
s'and it, as I want it to be, and what 
Government intends, there is automatically 
termination of contracts whether expressed 
or implied or other arrengements. We use 
a wider expression, namely, is so far as it 
relates to the management of the business 
and affairs Of the company. 



341 St. Resn. & /./ S. Co. SRAVANA 30, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


We have limited the language, because 
otherwise, any contract might possibly be 
included and that might disrupt to ordinary 
commercial transactions of the company, 
which was not the aim of the introduction 
of this clause at all. What is referred to 
here is, a contract in so far as it relates to 
the manegement of the business and affairs 
of the company. 

I hope that clears to point that my hon. 
friend raised. 

I was just at the stage of mentioning to 
the House that the Board of Directors had 
also decided that a Committee of Directors 
consisting of Romen Mukherjee and B. P. 
Ray would manage the day to day affairs 
of the company. This they did by means 
of a resolution. Therefore, in effect that 
mananaging agents went out of the right 
door, but, as it were, they came back by the 
left door by means of these various contracts 
and arrangements and so on. And, one 
group, namely, the Martin Burn Group 
continued to keep their control of the 
company. 

1 would not comment whether it was 
good or bad. I am only stating the facts 
It is necessary for me when I come before 
the House to justify the introduction of this 
particular clause. This is, in a sense, some- 
what of a special clause which you do not 
find in the various different pieces of legisla- 
tions that have been brought before the 
House when we took over any particular 
organisation. 

Therefore, these are the reasons which 
prompted us. I think, hon. Members will 
appreciate how important it is that we 
should have brought in this particular 
clause. 

17.14 hrs. 

[ShrI R. D. Bh\nix\RE in th* Chair\ 

Dr Laxmimaram Pandeya — though he is 
not here to hear what I have got to say 
about the matter; 1 think I had better answer 
him because other hon. Members may be 
having this point m the.r minds also— had 
also raised the question as to why we should 
is do it only for a limited period of two 
yeats, and he asked why only two years, 
why not twenty years or why not five years 
and so on, and he asked what was sacred or 
significant in this period of two years. My 


{Taking over of 342 
Management ) Bill 
answer to ban. Members is that it is two 
years in order to decide what to do It is 
not two years for any other purpose. I 
made it very clear even when I explained to 
the press at the time of the take-over that 
Government certainly does not envisage 
' handing back the management to the pre- 
vious management 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : A court of wards. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : We do not think that Govern- 
ment or the financial institutions which own 
altogether 49.35 per cent of the shares 
should hand back the management to a 
group which controls less than one per cent 
of the shares, because according to the 
present infoimation that Government has 
got, the Mukerjee gioup does not control 
even one per cent for the shares; so, it 
would not (be proper to go on having the 
tail wagging the dog for all lime; sometimes, 
the dog also should wag the tail, and that 
is the purpose 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Before 
1976, before the elections, they will make a 
handsome donation, and then they will hand 
it over. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM: At least, the hon. Member 
should be glad about it that... 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am 
very happy . But why not nolionalise it 7 

SHRI S. MOHAN RUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : Let my hon. friend hold on 
for a minute. Let him just applaud once 
for his life, and that will do him good also. 
But, let me continue. 

» 

\ye wanted these powers in order to be 
able to decide what exactly we should do. 
Hon. Membcis might feel that it would be 
an extermely, if you will excuse me using 
that expression, revolutionary step to acquire 
the whole thing lock, stock and barrel, but 
then they will atso appreciate that in the 
Constitution, under which we operate at 
present, whether my hon. friend likes it or 
not, he also opeiates under it, the position 
is that compensation would have to be paid 
for the shares of those which we take over 
or for the concern as a whole. We do not 



343 St. Resn. & I.I.S.Co. AUGUST 21, 1972 ( Tmking over of Managment) Bill 344 


[Shii S. Motion Kumirmangalam] 

think that there is any purpose in our 
entering into this coun trove rsy at the 
moment. We think that it is better that we 
should start operating this company under 
the management of the Government itself, 
and then as days pass by, we will assess 
from the point of view of the country which 
is the belt way by which ultimately Govern- 
ment management as it were may be made 
permanent. But 1 would like to assure the 
House that there is absolutely no question 
of the management of this company going 
out of the hands of the Government and 
back into the hands either of the erstwhile 
management or of any other future private 
management that may rest its greedy eyes 
on 1ISCO. It is meiely a questun of time 
in order to be able to deede what would be 
the most appropriate form. 

Hon Members will also appreciate that 
we have a certain difficulty in the sense that 
a considerable amount of money will have 
to be invested in IISCO in order to make it 
come up to the rated capacity of a million 
tonnes. As at present estimated, for the 
plant rehabilitation itself which will enable 
it to come to one million tonnes, the various 
repans that will have to be undertaken, the 
rebuilding of the coke ovens and so on, it 
will cost us somewhere in the region ol 
crorcs Then, there is othei project of 
expanding IISCO from one to 1.3 million 
tonnes, and that will, according to the 
company original estimate, take us anything 
from Rs. 60 croies and more. When one 
sees that the paid-up capital is in the region 
of Rs 24 odd crores, obviously investment 
of, let us say, something between Rs. 80 and 
Rs. 100 croies is going to change the balance 
of the position inside the company is it- 
self. ft is because we wanted to finally 
come to a conclusion, after studying it, 
about what would be the most appropriate 
form of organisation for the running of the 
IISCO with the least loss from the point of 
view of the State and the country that we 
have taken thc^e two years, and we propose 
within that time to come to a final conclu- 
sion and obviously that will mean coming 
back to this House. 

1 think hon Members do appreciate 
that by and large there has been welcome 
throughout the country about this decision 
of the Government, and therefore, I would 
commend this Bill for the consideration of 
the House. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : 

“That the Bill to provide for the 
taking over of the manegement of the 
undertaking of the Indian Iron and Steel 
Comany Limited for a limited period 
in the public interest and in order to 
secure the proper management of the 
underfaking, be taken into considera- 
tion'’. 

SHRl ROBIN SEN (Asansol) : l would 
have welcomed this Bill, had there been a 
provision in the Bill nationalising the 
company. The hon. Minister of Steel 
attributed the reason for the taking over of 
this company to mismanagement and fall in 
production. The produenon in this company 
started declining ever since 1964-65, and the 
production declined steadily during 1970-71 
and 1971-72. 

The gradual deterioration of plant, 
equipment and machmeiy due to lack of 
proper maintenance and replacement led to 
a fall in production from 10 lakh tonnes in 
1963-64 to 6 lakh tonnes in 1971-72 The 
actual production came down to about 20- 
25 per cent of its rated capacity. But in 
this period, the profit increased from Rs. 
3 2 crores to Rs. 3 68 crores, that is by 
about 65 lakns between 1969 and 1971. I 
wilt quote certain figures to show the huge 
profits they have assessed from 1958 to 
1971. Issued and subscribed capital inc- 
reased from Rs. 7.82 croies to Rs 27.58 
crores, of which Rs. 8 20 crores only Is 
actually paid in cash. Reserves went up 
from Rs 6.16 crores to Rs. 42 44 crores ; 
the total amount of dividend paid to share- 
holdeis comes to over Rs. 23 71 crores. 

Surely, this profit was minted by sheer 
explonation of the workers, The wages of 
the workers were the lowest in the steel 
industry. About 97 per cent of the workers 
used to get only Rs. 61 to Rs, 133 per 
month as basic wage. This was prior to the 
last agreement. There were two members 
representing Government on the board of 
directors. About 50 per cent of the shares 
of this company arc held by the Govern- 
ment-controlled public financial institutions. 

I do not understand why in spite of this, 
the Steel Minister allowed the condition of 
the plant to deteriorate and indulge in huge 
loss of production when for want of steel, 
production in industries was suffering. ( 
want to know from him why this delay. 



345 St. Resn. & l.I.S.Co. SRAVANA 30, 1&94 (SAKA) ( Taking over of Management) Bill 346 


The plant should have been taken over 
earlier. 

Secondly, 1 do not understand why the 
takeover is only for two years. People 
must know what is the intention of the 
Government. As we know even in the 
textile industry, not even a single sick mill 
could be put to its full operation even after 
the required renovation within two years. 
Steel is a heavy industry and its spare parts 
ar.d machineries are not available in the 
country. So what can we expect of the 
two years 7 Is it the intention of Govern- 
ment to fleece the tax payers by injecting 
more public money into the plant just to 
tide over the difficulties of the company 
and then hand it over back to Sir Biren 7 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : May I request him to remember 
what l said just five minutes ago and that 
is not the intention of Government ? 

SHRI DINEN BATTACHARYYA : 
He is speaking is an individual. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : No I am speaking on behalf 
of Government. 

SHRI ROBIN SEN : Sir, our 
doubt on this score n strengthened 
when we find that some of the top 
officers of this company who are respon- 
sible for mismanagement and fall in pro- 
duction have been entrusted to running of 
the mill even after taking-over. One Mr. 
N. R. Dutta, who was Deputy Manager 
production under Sir Biren and during 
whose pejiod the production started dec- 
lining, has been elevated to the post of 
General Manager. This N R. Dutta is 
a person in the inner coterie and in the 
confidence of Sir Biren. Was this selection 
made to help Sir Biren to retain his control 
over the industry even after taking over of 
the company 7 I request the Steel Minister 
to get rid of this gentleman if he really 
wants the workers' co-operation and the 
efficient running of the plant. 

The other things which I want to bring 
to the notice of the Steel Minister are these. 
LISCO employed a much less complement 
of workers as against the complement of 
other plants of comparable rated capacity. 
Some of the key operations of this plant 


were being carried out by contract labourers 
which only damaged the plant I want 
that this contract labour system should be 
abolished and they should be made perma- 
nent with continuity in their service. 

Sir, I know that within the capitalist 
system no basic change is possible by meie 
taking over or even by nationalising a few 
industries. Nonetheless, we support this 
step, but while supporting it, we do insist 
that steps must be taken to democratise the 
management. Dependence on the burcauerats 
must end. The workers' genuine grievances 
should be attended to, and the workers 
should be taken into confidence in running 
the plants, and the workers' elected repre- 
sentatives should be taken into the manage- 
ment. 

I concluding, I would like to ask the 
Government, how long they will pursue the 
policy of investing public money in the 
losing concerns or the sick mills, the mills 
which have been made sick by the private 
owners after suquandermg money and 
reducing them to Junks. Why those nulls 
which are still viable should not be nationa- 
lised 7 Why the monopoly concerns where 
huge public money is invested should also 
not be nationalised without any compensa- 
tion 7 In this connection , I would demnnd 
not both IISCO and TISCO should be 
nationalised so that steel which is indispens- 
able for the country’s industrial growth may 
not be under the control and whims of a 
few monopolists. 

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347 Decentralisation Of 


AUGUST 21, 1972 G.S.f. {H.A.H. Disc.) 348 


MR. CHAIRMAN : Please continue 
tomorrow. There is a half-an-hour dis- 
cussion to be raised by Shri Samar Guha. 

17.10 hrs* 

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION 
decentralisation OF GEOLOGI- 
CAL Survey of India 
SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : The 
decision to dismember the Geological Sur- 
vey of India will immediately affect the 
future of over a thousand employees of GSI 
fifty per cent of them very immediately, 
although the hon Minister had assured them 
that none of them would have to repent 
their being in the GSI, and that they would 
be in the other organisation. There is an 
overtone of politics in it and the scrutiny 
of the whole thing reveals some things. 
There is the possibility of many employees 
being declared surplus, many b^ing 
demoted. There are mmy uncertainties. 

I am not arguing from that standpoint but 
from a much higher level. This is one 
of the oldest central organisations, mare 
than a century old, built through many 
decades and niny efforts 

The decision to dismember it is unscienti 
fic, arbitrary, irregular, detrimental to the 
interest of many other Ministries and it is 
even against the convention of parliamen- 
tary practice; probably it os unconsti- 
tutional too. I have volumes of material to 
justify all the accusalions but unfortunately 
my position is like that of a lawyer who 
defends in the upper court a person awar- 
ded death penalty in a lower court, who 
has to justify that the death penalty is nat 
correct, but who has only ten minutes to 
argue out his case. I used the word un- 
scientific because of this reason. 

A committee was set up, Committee on 
Scientific Research to go into the issue GSI 
and decide whether it should be retained 
as it is^or should be divided into two parts. 

Subsequently the work of that committee was 
taken over by another committee, the Com- 
mittee on Science and Technology, known 
as cost which came to the conclusion that it 
should be divided and that a major part or 
at least fifty per cent of it should go to the 
Central Ground Water Board. 

I was astonished at the composition of 
this committee. An engineer is a scientist; 
a biochemist is also a scientist. But an 
•Bgineer will not be asked to preside over a 


meeting to decide whether a micro-biology 
section of a bio chemistry department should 
be divided from that body section. Though 
an engineer is also a scientist, he will not be 
asked to do it because he is not competent 
to take discussion in the matter. 

This committee on Science and Tech- 
nology was composed of two physicists and 
an engineer, not a single leputed geologist or 
geo-hydrologist nor a representative from 
the GSI was there. Experts who have no 
knowledge of geology or geo -hydrology 
presided over the fate of this organisation 
and they decided that this should be dis- 
membered. Strangely, there was nobody 
from the GSI in this committee. 

They prepared a draft and at the stage 
of final consideration of that diaft (he 
Chairman of that committee invited the 
Director of the GSI m a letter dated 
January 29, 1971 and said : “The commit- 
tee at ns last meeting held on 18 January 
1971 decided that a small group be set up 
consisting Shri B. K. Subramaniya, Dr. 
Kidwai, Dr. Sethna and yourself to go 
through the final draft report of the com- 
mittee on GSI and make suggestions and 
amendments so that the * amended draft 
might be placed before the committee”. 

The Director of Geological Survey only 
attended the first meeting. As his opinions 
were against the opinions of that committee 
the Chairman of that committee did some- 
thing extraordinary. I have got the pho- 
tostat of letters The Chairman took a most 
unscientific, most irregular and most 
fantastic decision — he requested the 
Director of GSI in this letter not 
to attend the final meetings of the 
committee when the final diaft was to be 
considered and decision taken whether GSI 
will be dismembered or not. Here is an 
extraordinary step. The Director was a 
regular member of the sub committee and 
he was invited to attend the meetings of 
the sub-committee, But after attending one 
meeting, he was requested not to attend the 
final meetings when a final decision was to 
be taken. A letter was issued by the Chair- 
man of the committee asking him not to 
attend the committee meetings. I quote : 

“You are member of this committee. 

Since the committee is in its final stage 

and all the facts that you wanted to 

bring before it are in the process of 



349 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (S^) G,S./. ( H.A.H . Disc) 350 


being communicated to this committee. 
May I suggest that this committee should 
discuss the GSI report and of the 
various viewpoints freely and without 
constraints. I would be very grateful 
if you also agree with me in this view 
and refrain from attending the final 
meetings of the committee to enable 
them to come to the conclusion." 

It is an extraordinary letter. It is extra- 
ordinary that a letter can be written by the 
Chairman debarring a member from attend- 
ing the meetings. If a person is hanged, if 
you give a verdict like that, he should have 
some scope to explain why he should not 
be hanged and argue his case. GSI is going 
to be dismembered. The Director is a regu- 
lar member of that committee. It is extra- 
ordinary that the Chairman of the commit- 
tee writes a letter to the Director saying, 
“You are requested not to attend so that 
we can have a clear and unconstrained view 
of the icport of the committee." 1 place 
both these letters on the Table.* 

MR. CHAIRMAN : They will be sent 
to the hon Speaker for his permission. I 
cannot allow it now. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : If not for any- 
other reason, for this leason that the Chair- 
man’s conduct was unscientific, irregular, 
extraordmaiy and fantastic and on the basis 
of the recommendation of this committee 
the Cabinet took the decision that of 
GSI should be dismembered or divided, the 
very basis of it has to be challenged. There- 
fore, I (funk the minister should take into 
consideration that this is an impossible 
proposition that a member can be debarred 
from attending the meetings of a committee 
of which he was regular member. 

The 126th Report of the Estimates 
Committee said that an expert committee 
should be constituted to go into the affairs 
of GSI and accordingly an expert commit- 
tee consisting of eminent geologists, geo- 
hydrologist and geophysicist was formed. 
That committee categorically stated that 
GSI is doing a very useful work and there 
is no question of dismembering that body; 
it should be retained. I quote from the 
report of this technical committee : 


"It is the duty of the GSI to provide 
the fundamental grohydrological know- 
ledge in regard to the country in the 
form of appropriate maps and reports, 
so that in various contexts further prac- 
tical actions can be taken in regard to 
development activities. An integrated 
coordinated approach among the basic 
geological, geophysical and geochemical 
surveys and geohydrological studies and 
engineering geology is very essential". 

The report further records : 

“A comprehensive approach which will 
take vote of basic geology and a variety 
of problems and uses is very essential 
and this responsibility the GSI must 
discharge effectively." 

Those who suggested the dismemberment 
of GSI were not exports. Here is an expert 
committee of the Government which has 
suggested that it should not only be 
retained but it should be strengthened. 

The central Irrigation Commission that 
was set up by this Parliament had submit- 
ted a report in the month of April 1972. 
At pages 285-286 they have stated : 

" we have given serious thoughts to 

these grounds and regret that, in our 
opinion, they do not bear scrutiny. The 
GSI is, after all, only a department of 
the Union Government and it is given 
a specific task by the Government to be 
completed within a specified period 
ihere is no reason to suppose that the 
GSI would not carry out the task, if 
adequate staff and funds are provided. 
We are of the opinion that the GSI is 
the most suitable organisation to han- 
dle ‘the work involved in prospective 
for ground water resources. It is the 
highest scientific and technical organisa- 
tion in the country dealing with ground 
water exploration as a part of its nor- 
mal functions. During the past 100 
years it has acquired specialised scienti- 
fic and technical expertise, and has 
built up a large and highly qualified 
body of officers whose specialisation is 
geology. . . There is no comparable 
organisation in the country which has 
the necessary expertise m geological 


•The Speaker not having subsequently accorded the necessary permission, the papers 
.were not treated as laid on the Table. 



351 Decentralsation of AUGUST 21. 1972 G.S.I. ( H.A.H . Disc!) 352. 


[Shri Samar Guha] 

and geophysical and other specialised 
equipment for groundwater prospecting, 
Its laboratories and libraries and sophis- 
ticated instruments are naturally availa- 
ble to the geologists engaged m a pr< s- 
pecting for any mapping ground water 
resources. . 

They have categorically opposed the idea of 
dismemberment. 

There was an international seminar in 
Delhi in last September in which Dr. K L. 
Rao not only opposed this but he said that 
it will be a “scientist’s sin” to dismember 
this organisation. Unfortunately, he could 
not attend the Cabinet meeting when this 
decision was taken. 

I would also say that the Planning Cell 
of the Com mssion also opposed it. Tney 
said that the GS1 should not be dismme- 
bered. 

The CiSI is providing data, facts, statis- 
tics, not only for the use of agricultural 
department but for all other Ministries like 
Ministry of Health, Ministry of Railways, 
Ministry of Irrigation and Power, Depart- 
ments of Shipping and Housing on flood 
control, dem construction and miny other 
problems For agricultural purposes you 
require data only for drilling tube wells. 
For that they have a special organisation, 
the Exploratory Tube- well Organisation for 
drilling purposes. If the whole of the 
function of survey and mapping of the 
hydrological stiuetuic of the country is 
given to Agriculture Ministry, the other 
Ministries will ^ulFer beciuse biased priority 
will be given to Agnculture Ministry. 

Lastsly, it is not only improper but it 
is against the constitutional provisions also, 
when a commission was constituted by this 
House, before the report of that commis- 
sion was considered by this House, how 
could the government take the decision to 
dismember it when that commission catego- 
rically said that it would be wrong to dis- 
member that body. 


Lastly, it is against the provisions of the 
Constitution. Under article 246 and entry 
No. 68 of the Union List, the national sur- 
vey department including the GSI comes 


within (he exclusive power of Parliament 
to make Jaw. Without making any enact- 
ment, simply by executive order they can- 
not dismember it. This is also likely to be 
challenged. 

Finally, by giving wrong information the 
Union Government has been misled 
by the Cost Committee. Therefore, 
my re^jj?t to ths Gwerntiiit is to 
stop the execution of this order and appoint 
a fresh reviewing committee lo go into the 
reports of all the expert committees and 
make a final recommendation. Before that 
such an unscientific, irregular and arbitrary 
decision should not be taken to dismember 
the G.S.I. the century-old and veiv effective 
scientific body of our country. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : (Dia- 
mond Harbour) * Mr Samar Guha made 
a few points. lie, perhaps, missed the 
point that Dr. B. D Nag Chowdhury had 
to toe the line of Haroors in New Delhi. 
Otherwise, he would no longer be in emp- 
loyment. He had to lake recourse to such 
methods. 

1 would like to know whether it is a 
fact that in so far as the question of c ins- 
titution of the Committee on Science and 
Technology (COST) is concerned, Shri M.S, 
Balasundaram, Director-General, Geological 
Survey of India, the only scientist from the 
field of geology in the said Committee and 
who can be considered as chief scientist in 
the field of geology, was not piesent in the 
first meeting of COST and that he, however, 
atteneded the second meeting and gave his 
dissenting opinion. 

I would also like to know whether it is 
a fact that Dr. K. L. Rao, the Union 
Minister of Irrigation and Power and an 
internationally reputed specialist in Water 
resources expresred his categorical views 
against the decision of the Cabinet. 

Also, whether the Irrigation Commission 
set up by the Government of India to go into 
the irrigation aspects and into t ie appraisal 
of groundwater and surface water resources, 
under the chairmanship of Shri Ajit Prasad 
Jain, with representatives from different 
States categorically opposed the decision to 
transfer groundwater, mapping and survey 
from the G.S.I. to the CGWB and recom- 



353 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G. S. I. (H.A H Disc.) 354 


mended the review of the decision and 
retention of the work in O.S.I. and even 
strengthening of the Wing. 

Is it also a fact that the Panel on Water 
Resources of the Planning Commission on 
17th September, 1971 in their Final Report 
to the Planning Commission had recom- 
mended that the G S.I. should continue 
groundwater activities and that even for the 
Fourth Plan period an additional Rs. 2 
crores should be allocated to the G S I for 
expansion and intensification of the Ground 
Water Survey activities. 

The Estimates Cormrttee of which you, 
Sir, are the hon. Chairman, afier miking 
a review of the functions and performance 
of the G S I , in their 1 26th Report, m ide 
recommendation that a Committee of experts 
from outside the G S I should review and 
examine the function, performance and 
achievements of G S 1 and submit a repot t 
to the Government and the Parliament indi- 
cating suitable recommendations for further 
growth and development of G S 1 in natio- 
nal interest. 

It is also a fact that there is a deep 
resentment amongst the employees of G S 1. 
at the decision to decentralise it ? Is it also 
a fact that there will be many employees 
who will be affected by the decentralisation 7 
It is not less than 300 employees who have 
wilfully opted for the Central Ground 
Water Boaid who will be affected for better 
or worse with implementation of the trans- 
fer with effect from 1st August, 1972 7 

Will the hon Minister kindly give us a 
correct, truthful, reply to this ? I shall be 
very greatful for that. 

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 
Sir, I do not want to repeat the points 
which my hon. friends, Mr Samar Guha 
and Mr. Jyotirnqoy Bosq have raised. 


I would like to know from the hon. 
Minister whether it is a fact that the 
Director-General of G. S. I., the only spe- 
cialist and who was a member of the 
particular Committee which decided the 
fate of this under the chairmanship of Dr. 

■ B D Nag Chowdhury for whom I have 
got the greatest regard, was asked to 
refrain from attending the final meeting of 
the Committee to enable him to come to a 
conclusion. I want to know how far this 
is true. 

Secondly, I want to know whether the 
hon. Minister has read the note submitted 
by the scientific workers of the Geological 
Survey of India in which they have proved 
that this transfer is not logical and is not 
necessary. These persons are scientists ; 
they are not employees as such. They are 
as good scientists as anybody else. After 
giving certain examples, certain illustrations 
ihey have said how this decision was a 
wrong decision. They have said that even 
the decision to crate the Mineral Explora- 
tion corpoiation is based on wrong premises 
and directly against the recommendations of 
several specialist bodies, like, the Estimates 
Committee, the Planning Group for Minerals 
other than coal and oil, Mukerjee Com- 
mittee, etc 

May I know whether the hon Minister 
had read these reports befoie taking this 
decision aid whether there was some diffe- 
rence of opinion in the Cabinet also when 
the decision was taken. I have got ceitain 
notes which I do not want to lay on the 
Table of the House. Reading these notes, 

I feel, there was a certain difference of 
opinion. 

My last point is this. Generally, there 
is a feeling created in West Bengal — this is 
the oldest office ; the G. S. I. building is a 
massive one —that slowly but in a calcu- 
lated manner all the important offices are 
being shifted from West Bengal to other 
places 1 have nothing against it ; I am a 
citizen of this country ; I do not believe in 
all those things. A section of the office of 
DGOF hds been shifted to Kanpur that is 
my own constituency, Sir. But the feeling 
is created that the Central office has been 
shifted. It gives the feeling to the entire 
country that the Centre does not want 
certain offices to remain in West Bengal. I 



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356 


[Shri S. M. Banerjee] 

want to know from the hon. Minister 
whether he would apply his mind de n oyo 
and give an opportunity to the scientists 
who have submitted the memorandum and 
also to the employees and review the whole 
matter objectively. 

SHRI K D. MALAVIYA (Domaria- 
ganj) : Before the hon. Minister replies, 
] would request him to tell us how this 
ground water organisation is specially 
equipped with geo-science aspect of the 
hydrological piogrammes they have. J can 
understand their possessing the engineering 
technology aspects. But how is it better 
equipped for the geo-science aspect of 
drilling for water so far as the new orga- 
nisation now being entrusted with the work 
is concerned ? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) 1 Mr Chairman, Sir, 1 must 
express my thanks to the hon members who 
have participated in the short discussion 
because the problem that they have raised 
is one of importance. For some time past, 
Government had been considering the 
question of reorganization of the Geologi- 
cal Survey of India so as to make it more 
efficient in the discharge of its functions 
The reason is that, by and large, the pro- 
gress that we have made towards comple- 
ting the mapping up of the geology work in 
the country has been at rather a slow rate 
and we want it to concentrate more effec- 
tively on its primary function which is 
really the function of mapping. That is why 
I will come to the procedure followed in a 
minute — the decision has been taken by 
Government not merely to take away, as it 
were, from the GSI th^ functions which are 
now going to be transferred to the Central 
Ground Water Board but also to set up a 
mineral exploration corporation which will 
do, what may be called, the intermediate 
work between surveying and mapping which 
is to be continued in the GSI and the work 
of actual exploitation which would be done 
by the public sector mining corporation. 
The decision m relation to the Central 
Ground Water Board and transferring to 
the Central Water Board the work of what 
may be called hydrological investigation, as 
distinct from mapping, was taken really in 
line with the same principle. 


Some years ago the Cabinet Secretariat 
set up a committee to examine the working 
of the different scientific committees of the 
Government of India. This committee was 
known as COSR — Committee on Organisa- 
tion of Scientific Research. It was this 
Committee that first examined the activi- 
ties functions and organisational structure 
of the Geological Survey of India. This 
Committee, however, was wound up in 
December 1970 and the work of this 
Committee was transferred to the Comm.ttee 
of Science and Technology as was directed 
at that time by the Prime Minister. The 
Committee of Science and Technology, 
known as COST, set up a sub-committee 
to look into the draft report that was 
originally drafted by COSR and to make 
any changes that may be necessary before it 
was put up to ihe COST for fin*il adoption. 
An hon. Member mentioned that the 
Duecior-General of the GSI was a member 
of the sub-committee lhat went into it and 
ultimately submitted its draft report. It is 
a fact lhat it was Dr. Krishnan who was 
originally a member of the COSR and, if I 
am not wrong, he died before the draft 
report was made, and Shri M S. Bala- 
sundaram, the present Director-General 
of the Geological Survey of India, was a 
member of the sub-committee set up by 
COST. 

Now, the Sub-Committee had discussions 
both with Shri Vohra who is the Joint 
Secretary in the Ministry of Agriculture 
and also the Chairman of the Ground 
Water Board as well as with the Director- 
General of the Geological Survey of India. 
One of the hon Members has stated... 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Only one 
meeting he was allowed to attend 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANG- 
ALAM : Allow me to finish. I listened to 
you patiently. You can have a little patience 
with me. 


It was a fact. I do not conceal fact 
from the House I think 1 can claim that 
in the part and I can claim it to-day. It is 
a fact that Shri Balasundaram attended — 
hon. Member, Shri Jyoitrmoy Bosu said, 
the second meeting. He may be right. But 
one meeting he atteaded, may be the first. 



357 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G I S (H.A H. Disc) 358 


I was under the impression that it was the 
first meeting But that is not relevant. It 
is not a matter of any great importance. I 
want to be accurate. I nuy be w.*onj, you 
may be right. But that doei not affect the 
substance of the muter. Hi attended one * 
meeting of the Sub Co n n*ttee and after 
that, the othe- m;e ings wj.c not attended 
by him. It is also a fact, as hon. Member, 
Shri Samar Gdha, read — 1 have not seen 
that letter, nor is it of any great importance 
that Shri Nag Choudhary did request Mr. 
Balasundaram at a later meeting, parti- 
cularly when the report was discussed, not 
to attend. But I think it was because they 
thought it easier to do the w irk that Shri 
Nag Choudhary had elaborate discussions 
with Shri Balasundaram regarding the 
merits and demerits of this mitter and it 
was after having an elaborate discussion 
with him and separately also with Mr. 
Vohra of the Central Ground Water Bvard 
that the other members of the Sub-Com- 
mittee came to certain conclusions which 
were then put before the Committee on 
Science and Technology and finally adopted 
by them. The matter then came up before 
the Cabinet and the Cabinet took the deci- 
sion which the hon. Memebers have men- 
tioned a little earlier. 

A mention has also been made of 
possible differences mside the Cabinet. Now 
I think that is not a very relevant matter. 
There are always differences on matters, but 
ultimately the decision of the Cabinet is the 
decision of the Cabinet, and the fact that 
one Minister took a particular view at one 
time or another Minister took a particular 
view at another time is irrelevant so far as 
the substance of the mitter is concerned. 
Therefore, l think it would not be proper 
on my part to enter into a sort of discus- 
sion as to which Minister said what and at 
what time. I think that is really an irre- 
levant, minor matter. I am sure that hon. 
Members also inside their own organiza- 
tions, do not always think the same way. 
There are differences, but, ultimately we 
come to a decision which we accept to be 
binding on all the members, whether it he 
the Cabinet or a committee, whatever it be. 

I think 1 can leave that question of diffe- 
iences aside. 

The real basis for the recommendations 
that were made by the COST were that it 


was an urgent question so far as the 
Government and the country are concerned, 
to formulate in precise and detailed terms 
as to what are the operations involved 
before starting of exploration and assess- 
ment of the mineral resources of the country 
in an area and assumption of responsibility 
for the commissioning operation by an 
exploiting agency. We decided let me 
leave ‘we’ for the moment — the Committee 
itself feit that it would be proper for the 
G. S I. to concentration the actual mapp- 
ing. My friend. Mr Malaviya need not 
have concern of this point because the 
GSI will continue its work of hydrological 

mapping (Interruptions) It is really 

a question of investigation in depth of the 
resources which we have and ultimately the 
decision ai rived at was that it could better 
be carried on by the Central Ground water 
Board In these matters I do not want to 
be dogmatic. Obviously, there are two 
views about it and I would not say that 
there is no substance in the other point of 
view. 1 would not like to use the expres- 
sions ‘arbitrary’, ‘irrelevant’, expressions of 
that cha racier. I think there are quite a 
number of arguments which can be advanced 
in favour of the opposite view, but expe- 
rience has taught us that our geological 
work is going on very slowly. That is a 
fact. If you compare the manner in which 
our GSI is working with other countries, 
whether it be China or the Soviet Union or 
the European countries or the Americas, 
we are pretty backward in that area. This 
is not so much a criticism of the GSI 
because it is a criticism of all of us, all of 
us who run this country. We should have 
been able to devote more resources and 
more energy to that. It is the decision of 
the Government and the recommendation of 
COST really in relation to that. Let us 
all try to build ,up the GSI much faster. 
There are a large number of problems we 
face in relation to the recruitment, in 
relation to the adequate use of the geolo- 
gists’ talents iu our country and it is better 
to speed up the geological work on the one 
hand and enable the Minerals Exploration 
Corporation explore the minerals and the 
Central Ground Water Board in relation to 
the water resources on the other. 

This is to speed up what is called the 
intermediate stage for really, effectively 
locating what are the water resources and 
hew best they can be made use of. 



359 


Decentralisation of AUGUST 21, 1972 


G.S.I. (. H.A.H . Disc.) 360 


[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramjmgalam] 

I think there is no purpose m my enter- 
ing into a long debate. There is not the 
time for it also. I can only say very 
genuinely to all hon. Members that we gave 
our most anxious consideration to the 
matter and we came to this conclusion and 
therefore we decided to implement it. 

18. hrs. 

Some hon. Members pointed out that 
tkere is deep resentment among the emp- 
loyees. I am aware of what they have 
stated 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Was COST 
the competent body to decide over the 
issue, because there were the physicists and 
mining engineers, but there were no geolo- 
gists or geo-hydrologists ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : The hon. Member will 
appreciate that in COST itself there are 
some of the leadmgscientists in the country. 
It is true that there is no actual geologist, 
by training. 

I enn assure him that persons who are 
Members of COST are persons with wide 
experience. I do not like to mention 
names, but I would say to illustrate what I 
say, that Prof Subramaniam is a man who 
has wide experience not only in mining but 
also in geological work and as a scientist he 
has been very useful n many areas for 
instance, in Chinakuri disaster and things 
of that character also, where geological 
questions were involved. 

From my experience, 1 find this There 
is a tendency for pci sons belonging to a 
particular school to think only in a parti- 
cular way. It is not neccssdry that when 
a decision is arrived at, it should be arrived 
at only by the geologists,* even Mr. Samar 
Guha or myself may be able to contribute 
in coming to a correct decision, because 
what is important is the effort of getring 
together all the materials, thinking about 
them, listening to those who are experts m 
their field, getting their opinion, and then 
only coming to proper conclusions. That 
was the procedure that was followed. 
When such persons of eminence are there 
on the sub committee and the Committee on 
Science and Technology, we could expect 
them to come to right decisions after going 
( hrough all the facts. Of course, it is 


always possible to have certain difference of 
opinion and argue on a matter like this. 

What we did arose out of our dissatis- 
faction with the state of affairs. We 
thought this decision will help us to remedy 
this state of affairs and work for the 
speedier development of geological work. 
1 know that there is a considerable amount 
of feeling among both the geologists and 
the sc enlists, and among the staff. We shall 
see tha' they are not affected in any way. 

Mr. Banerjee mentioned about the 
shifting of the office. We have plans for 
the rapid expansion of the G. S I. 1 don't 
think there is going to be any harm for the 
countiy — old office in Calcutta and it is not 
going to be shifted Any way, there are 
large number of employees of GSl in 
Nagpur where we want to set up mineral 
exploration of the GSI, the ground-water 
division 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Dr. Rao's 
opinion has been completely ignored. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : May I plead with Mr. Jyotirmoy 
Bosu, if in his party meetings, whether all 
his views are accepted, because there arc 
bound to be some differences of opinion 
but they are resolved ultimately. There is 
no question of difference of opinion between 
Dr. Rao and Mohan Kumaramangalam 
Nobody’s opinion is being ignored; and 
therefore snch arguments do not really bene- 
fit us. No opinion is ignored, including 
the opinion of the Director-General 
of GSI The decision was arrived at 
after taking into consideration the opinion 
of the inviduals directly concerned. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How 
much of the adverse opinion have you 
overruled ? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANOA- 
LAM : I do not think that we have over- 
ruled that much of adverse opinion, 
frankly. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA • Except the 
opinion of COST. All the other commit- 



361 Decentralisation of SRAVANA 30, 1894 (SAKA) G.S.7. ( ff.A.ff ZWjc.) 362 


tees were against it. Even the Irrigation 
Commission's report and the Sen Commit- 
tee's report were against it. 


SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMANGA- 
LAM : 1 think that it will be difficult to 
convince him, and, therefore, I have tried 
my best. If I have failed, I have failed, 
and 1 think that it is better to leave it at 
that. I am only here to justify and make 
clear why it was that Government arrived 
at the decision on the advice of the various 
persons who gave us advice. I think that 


I have put the facts clearly before the 
House, and I would request hon. Members 
to appreciate the circumstances in which we 
came to this conclusion and to give a trial 
to what we are trying to do in this area. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Absolutely 
unscientific answer. 

18.6 hrs* 

The Lok Sab ha then adjourned till Eleven 
of the Clock on Tuesday, August 22 1912 / 
S ravana 31. 1894 (Saka). 




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CONTENTS 

So. 16 —Tuesday, August 22, 1912 jSravana 31, 1894 (Saka) 

Columns 

Obituary Reference 1-3 

Oral Answers to Questions : 

"■Starred Questions Nos. 301, 302, 304 to 306, 308, 

311 to 313, 315, 317 and 320 3-25 


Written Answers to Questions : 

Starred Questions Nos. 303, 309, 310, 314, 316, 318 and 319 25-31 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 2980 to 3063 and 3065 to 3179 . 31-157 

Re : Incidents at Shahdara 157-64, 

166-68, 169-70 

Paper Laid on the Table .... . 165 

Parliamentary Committees— Summary of work . 165 

Messages from Rajya Sabha .... . 165-66 

Supplementary Demands for Grants (General), 1972-73. State- 
ment presented 166 

Conviction of Members : 

Sarvashri Virendra Agarwal and R. R. Sharma . . . 168-69 

Khadi and Other Handloom Industries Development (Additional 

Excise Duty on Cloth) Amendment Bill— Introduced. . . 171 


Statutory Resolution Re. dis-approval of Indian Iron and Steel 
Company (Taking Over of Management) ordinance — 
(negatived) 

and 

Indian Iron and Steel Company (Taking Over of Manage- 


ment) Bill 171-232 

Motion to consider 171 

Shri Swaran Singh Sokhi . * . . . 172-79 

Shri Indrajit Gupta 172-88 

Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ..... . 188-89 

% Shri C. T. Dhandapani 189-93 

- 1 Shri K. Gopal 193-96 

* Shri Sbyamnandan Mishra 196-200 

Shri Surendra Mohanty 206-3 


"The Sign + marked above the name of the member indicates that the question 
was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 

1-11 L.S.S./72 



Columns 

Shri Vasant Sathe 203-4 

Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangaiam 204-13 

Clauses 2 to 17 and 1 213 

Motion to pass, as amended 

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ........ 226-28 

Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangaiam ..... 230-32 

Discussion Re. Power crisis in different parts of country 232-314 

Shri Samar Guha ....... 232-39 

Shri Darbara Singh . . . . . 240-44 

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 244-47 

Shri Bibhuti Mishra ....... 248-51 

Dr. Ranen Sen ........ 251-55 

Shri P. Venkata6ubbaiah ...... 255-58 

Shri C. Chittibabu ....... 259-63 

Shri Nawal Kishore Sinha ...... 263-66 

Shri Phool Chand Verma ...... 267-70 

Shri Kushok Bakula ....... 271-73 

Shrimati Sahodarabai Rai 273-75 

Shri K. S. Chavda 275-78 

Shri Paripoomanand Painuli ..... 278-81 

Shri R. S- Pandey 281-83 

Shri D. D. Desai ....... 284—85 

Dr. Govind Das Richhariya ..... 285-88 

Shri P. Gangadeb ....... 288-89 

Shri Pratap Singh Negi ...... 289-91 

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar 291-92 

Shri Sadhu Ram 292-93 

Shri K. D. Malaviya 293-95 

, Dr. Kailash 295-96 

Shri Sat Pal Kapur ....... 296-97 

Shri M- C. Daga ........ 297-98 

Shri K. Ramakrishna Reddy 299 

ShriB. V. Naik 299-300 

Shri Shiva Chandika ....... 300 

.Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ....... 300-1 

Shri Chandrika Prasad . . . . - . . 301-2 

Dr. IC< L. Rao ........ 302—14 



LOK SABHA DEBATES 


LOK SABHA 

Tuesday, August 22, 1972 ISravana 31, 
1894 (Saka) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the 

Clock 

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair] 

OBITUARY REFERENCE 

MR. SPEAKER : Hoo. members, I 
have to inform the House of the sad 
demise of Shri M. Suryanarayana Mur- 
ti who passed away at Visakhapatnam 
on the 18th August 1972 at the age of 
62. 

Shri Murti was a member of the Se- 
cond, Third, and Fourth Lok Stbha from 
Andhra Pradesh during the years 
1957-70. He used to take active inte- 
rest in organising co-operative societies, 
Harijan uplift and rural welfare, and 
was held in high esteem by all of us who 
were his colleagues. 

We deeply mourn the loss of this 
friend and 1 am sure the House will 
join me in conveying our condolences 
to the bereaved family. 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINIS- 
TER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINIS- 
TER OF ELECTRONICS, MINIS- 
TER OF HOME AFFAIRS, MINIS- 
TER OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker Sir, yester- 
day we mourned the death of a sitting 
Member of this House and today we 
are mourning the sad demise of a for- 
mer colleague. I associate myself and 
this House with the sentiments which 
you have expressed. 

You have told us of the sincere and 
dedicated work of Shri M. S. Murti. 
He was a member of this House for 
ten years. He actively participated in 
the co-operative movement by organi- 
sing co-operative societies. He helped 
in rural and Harijan welfare. He was 
also actively engaged in agricultural re- 
search. 


SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Ho- 
wrah) : I associate myself with the sen- 
timents expressed by you and the Prime 
Minister regarding the death of Shri 
M. S. Murti. 

Regarding the record of his social 
activities, you have already told us. 
So his death is also a loss to those who 
are associated with these activities. 

I request you to convey our condo- 
lences to the bereaved family. 

SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbhakonam) : 
On behalf of my Parly, I associate my- 
self with the sentiments expressed by 
yourself and the Leader of the House. 

Shri M. S. Murti was very well known 
to many members here who had on 
many occasions worked with him. 
Though a silent type, he was. a very 
sincere and devoted parliamentarian 
and was always in the forefront to ch- 
ampion the cause of the downtrodden 
and the Scheduled Castes. 

Once again I associate myself and 
request you to convey our condolences 
to the bereaved family. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I associate myself 
and my Party with the sentiments ex- 
pressed by you and the Prime Minister 
regarding the sad demise of one of our 
colleagues who was in Parliament from 
1957-70. I happened to be in Parlia- 
ment during those days and I have 
seen him as a silent worker who used 
to say something about the Harijans 
and other oppressed classes whenever 
the occasion came. 

It is really extremely sad that practi- 
cally every day evefy session We have 
to mourn the death of a sitting member 
or ex-MP. I do not know why nature 
is so unkind to MPs, 

I associate myself with the sentiments 
already expressed and request you on 
behalf of my party to convey our heart- 
felt condolences to the bereaved family. 


- , _ SHRIMATI M. GODFREY (Nomina- 

I request you Sir, tjo convey our deep ted-Anglo-Indkns) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, 
sympathy and Condolences to the her- I associate myself with the sentiments 
®aved family. expressed by you, the Leader of the 



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Oral Answers 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Oral Answers 


4 


House and other members and wish to 
convey, through you, to .the bereaved 
family our sincere condolences and our 
prayers for the decerned. 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH 
iCNandyal) Mr. Speaker, while associa- 
ting myself with the wntiments expres- 
sed by the Leaders of the House and the 
. leaders of the different groups, I would 
like to say that his ia a personal loss 
to me and to many of our colleagues 
who had seen Shri M. Suryanarayana 
Murti as a Congressman, as a parlia- 
mentarian and as a champion of the 
depressed and oppressed. 


THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
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ntius have shown interest in the mating 
up of industrial joint ventures In Maa- 
ntius by the Indian Industrialists. The 
Government of India have so far ap- 
proved 9 proposals for setting up indus- 
trial joint ventures in Mauritius, out of 
which 2 have already gone into pro- 
duction. 

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As a science graduate, he was sev- 
erely lathi-charged in the agitation 
after Pandit Motllal Nehru’s dfeath. 
He had been held in high esteem by 
the Congress. He had participated in all 
the .freedom movements. He was the 
Prescient of the District Congress Com- 
mittee for 19 years and also member 
of die AICC. 


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had lost all his property in the freedom 
movement and even now and when he 
was an MP, he used to live in a that- 
died hut in the village of Kuntikerla. 
He has set an example of honesty and 
integrity. 

We deeply mourn the loss of this 
great soul. I request you to convey 
our feelings to the members of the bere- 
aved family. 

MR. SPEAKER : As a mark of res- 
pect to the memory of the deceased, 
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,_SH[RI R. S., P ANPEY : What spe* in. our Ministry to look after die per- 

S6:c inaustnes have been requested by f ormaflce bf these units in xxHopecatkm 

the Prime Minister Shri Ram Goolam- with die foreign missions abroad. I 

jt of Mauritius to be put up there. I mbst rej*>rt to the House the result* 

amhappy to know that 59 per cent are of that. Out of 135 joint ventures ab- 

peopte of Indian origin in Mauritius road, '33 are in operation, 52 come un- 

ana Kam Goolamji has got very good def the category of those under impio- 

and cordial relationship with TnHty and mentation. Thus the effective joint vea,- 

is keen to invite our Government and tures are'85. Therefore, the results have 

industrialists to go and establish indust* bteen encouraging, 

nes mere. 


^iSHRA : I have said 

Thi were estabhshed. 

The industries are, : mosaic tiles, rub- 

J** p /^J c ,*fr A 0 " mills, canning indus- 
*7’ hc *^ Rrmect, textiles arid cement 

stakt* ivvma - ^ 


spi JYOTIRMOY BOSU : WUl 
the ton.' Minister kindly tell tis in how 
many" Cases 'where the Indian companies 
had befen allowed to operate industries 
in foreign countries they had been in- 
vdlved in malpiri&tices arid in some ca- 
sts even' convicted for violation of the 
liW of fhe sofl? 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am ha> 
py that some industrial houses havt 
*rf n Ecnuitted to go to Mauritius tc 
$ U P industn^. Has any agreehienl 
been reached between the twoGovern- 
rnents We are yet to know, the fate 
of Indians in some other countries - we 
are facing some trouble in Uganda 1 
want to know whether some sort of 
agreement has been reached and if so 

hw riL*® *f nns . of th ® agreement ? 
Have these industrialists been told not 

* «!** !?* e0onoim ic srtruatfioto in 
T nat country? 


M& SPEAKER : This is confined to 
Mauritius onty: . ‘{IntkrrupfiaMf '"It Is 
not a relevant question. 

SHRI J YOTIRMOY BOSU : Ip 
Kenya two of Bji;las executives were 
jailed: as a result we get had name. 

MR. SPEAKER : You are getting 
bad' name fbr irrelevant questions. Next 
.question. 

r ' * 

Handlooms Designing Centre in Koala 

+ 

*302. SHRI RAMCHANPRAN KA- 
DANNAPPALLI: 


_ SHRI L- N. MISHRA : There is r 
agreement between the two Goven 
mente. Private parties go to differei 
countries and they get permission < 
licence. They get facilities from ti 
country concerned. They have to ei 
port from here machineiy and technici 
know-how. That forms part of th 
equity capital. When they make pre 
nt, they earn some foreign exchans 
for us; they have to be repartiate 
back to the country. In very exceptic 
nal cases very small amounts can b 

cash „ for some technical pui 
proe but usually that is not given. Whe 
these projects are set up abroad, w 

mllw nu “ ber °f °ur items suck a 
machine plants, technical know-how 

SWAMT n 1 ^ 11 CHANDRA GO 
SWAbH : Before granting licences raa 

tri«f < r V w ^ et her the Government ha 

of^LifnV^ C?rtain L that are capabl. 

sjsrsa?* *** na °“ ^ «- 

rtf ®HRI L. N. MISHRA : That is on< 
of*®. considerations. Wehadsom* 
complaints. We set up a special be* 


SHRI C. JANARDHfANAN : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN TR- 
ADE be pleased to state : 

(a) , whether Government of India 
have taken a decision on the request 
of the Kerala Stale Government to start 
a Handlooms Desiging Centre in Kerala; 
and 

(b) if so, the approximate time by 
which it will start functioning? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEQRGE) : (a) and (b). 
It has been decided to set up a Weavers* 
Service Centre in Kerala. Details of 
staff and other requirements of the 
Centre are being worked out. It will 
be the endeavour of the Government 
that the formalities are completed and 
the Centre starts functioning as early 
as possible. 

SHRI RAMCHANDRAN KADAN- 
NAPPALLI : Is there any proposal to 
set weavers’ service centre at Canon- 
nore in Kerala? Will the hon. Minister 
assure us about the exact location? 



7 Oral Answers AUGUST 22, 1972 Oral Answers 8 


SHR1 A. C. GEORGE : Technically 
speaking the centres ale allotted to the 
Sato of Kerala. From the correspon- 
dence available with ua the thinking of 
tiie Kerala Government is to locate it 
at Cannanore which is one of the most 
Important handloom centres in that 
State. 1 hope it will be in Cannanore 
but the decision has to be taken by the 
Kerala Government itself. 

SHRI RAMCHANDRAN KADAN- 
NAPPALLI : What benefits will be 
conferred on labour by these centres? 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : The weav- 
ers’ service centres are equipped to evo- 
lve new designs, colour combinations 
and new textures. These centres service 
as channels through which handloom 
production units receive technical ad- 
vice and assistance in the pre-loom, and 
post-loom production prdcesetes. They 
carry out the work relating mainly to 
research in the field of evolving different 
designs and samples both for internal 
and export markets and render neces- 
sary technical assistance to. the hand- 
loom industry in the field of designing, 
weaving, dyeing and printing. 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
What were- the special considerations 
which weighed in deciding to establish 
the centre in Kerala ? Will the Govern- 
ment also consider requests from other 
States sympathetically, especially those 
which are producing handlooms on a 
large scale such as Bihar and Uttar 
Pradesh and in case of U. P. will it 
be located in Khalilabad which is a big 
handloom cloth producing centre ? 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : These things 
are decided purely on the merits of the 
cases. Even at present there are seven 
weavers service centres — Madras in 
Tamil Nadu, Bombay in Maharashtra, 
Calcutta in West Bengal, Varanasi in 
U. P., Vijayawada jn Andhra Pradesh, 
Bangalore in Mysore, Indore in M. P., 
a sub-centre at Kanchcepuram. Along 
with the decision to locate a weavers’ 
service centre in Kerala, two other cen- 
tres are proposed one in Assam and 
another in Haryana. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : What about 
Madhya Pradesh? 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE: Further 
there is a proposal to locate one more 
service centre in U.P. and Bihar and 
one sub-centre in Manipur. 


SHRI K* S. CHAVDA : What about 
Gujarat which has a large number of 
weavers. 

MR. SPEAKER : it would have been 
much easier if you are precise. I quite 
appreciate your memory but you should 
be concerned about time also. Next 
question. 

Verdict on Krishna Waters 

*304. SHRI DHARAMRAO AF- 
ZALPURKAR: Will the Minister of 
IRRIGATION AND POWER be 
pleased to state : (a) whether the cons- 
truction of Bennuthoora irrigation pro- 
ject in Gulbarga taluka has been held 
up till the verdict of Krishna Tribunal 
is out; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and 
when the verdict on Krishna is likely 
to be announced ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N, KUREEL) : (a) 
and (b). Proposals for the Bennutho- 
ora irrigation Project have not so far 
been sent by the Government of My- 
sore. 

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR- 
KAR : I want to know whether the 
tribunal has issued any stay order to 
the effect that no project in the basin 
area of river Krishna should be const- 
ructed. 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER CDR. K. L. RAO) : No 
such stay order has been issued but 
when the matter is pending before the 
tribunal we do not sanction any pro- 
ject in the basin. 

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZALPUR- 
KAR : Has the Government fixed any 
time limit within which the tribunal 
would pass its judgement ? If it is not 
so why is the Government of India 
withholding clearance certificate regar- 
ding the Krishna project construction ? 

DR. K. L. RAO : There is no time- 
limit fixed but the matter is 
in an advanced stage of enquiry before 
the tribunal and it is expected that the 
judgement may be delivered in the co- 
urse of the next one year. 



& 


Oral Answers 


SRAYANA 3U 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 


Power Male Id M Nate 

;« 

*305. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : 

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether power shortage in Tamil 
Nadu has forced closure of milk and 
created great problem in the Tamil 
Nadu State; 

(b) if so, the reasons for power shor- 
tage; and 

(c) the steps Government are taking 
to help the State to overcome the pro- 
blem ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 
THE MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): 
(a) No, Sir. There is no report of 
closure of mills in Tamil Nadu on ac- 
count of power shortage. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : May I know 
whether there is a proposal ta cut ano- 
ther mine in Neyveli so that the lignite 
can be used for the production of ther- 
mal power ? 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : 
That is under consideration. There is 
not sufficient amount of lignite to make 
use of for 600 mw capacity that has 
been installed in Neyveli. So the ex- 
pansion of the output in that region 
is under consideration. 

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : The hon. 
Minister had given an assurance earlier 
that Kalpakam atomic energy would 
be commissioned in the year 1974. 
Now they have postponed it to ’76. 
May I know whether this later assurance 
will be kept ? 

DR. K. L. RAO : The Kalpakam 
atomic! power station is expected to 
become critical by 1975 and power will 
be available in the early part of 1976. 

Commercial Agreement with E.E.C. 

+ 

*306. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: 

SHRI JAGANNATH 
MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether European Economic 
Community has approved a proposal for 


10 - 

commercial cooperation agreement with 
India ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features there- 
of 7 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) 
aqd (b). The European Economic Com- 
munity is in the process of finalising its 
proposals on pur request for Commer- 
cial Cooperation Agreement between 
the two sides. 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : May I 
know whether it is a fact that Britain 
has entered the EEC to be effective from 
January 1973 ? If so, what would be 
the trading problems facing us because 
of the entry of the British? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA: Yes, Sir. 
Britain has entered EEC and only a 
formality is left for its entry in January 
1973. It is for this reason that we are 
very anxious to have direct arrange- 
ments with the EEC countries. We 
want to have commercial co-operation 
agreement. We have made some 
progress but there are some difficulties. 
We hope we will be able to sort them 
out as a result of our direct negotiations 
with the EEC member countries. 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : What is 
the result of the talks on the duty-free 
export of coir and jute products to the 
EEC countries ? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It is not only 
a question of coir or jute, which are 
individual items. First an agreement 
has to be made with regard to all goods. 
Then alone trade will follow. 

DR. RANEN SEN : What are the 
terms that are being discussed with the 
EEC countries and how long the talks 
will continue ? What is the trend of the 
discussion ? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It will not 
be advisable to gjve the terms of the 
agreement at the moment. We submit- 
ted an aide-memoire in the latter part 
of 1970. After that I had been to 
Brussels. The Prime Minister was also 
there and she was good enough to have 
talks with the people in charge of EEC. 
As a result of the changed attitude on 
the part of some countries — I do not 
want to mention names— I feel that we 
will have agreement with EEC. Now 
that Bangladesh has become a separate 
independent State, we will not have any 
difficulties so far as jute is concerned. 



11 


OndAimvtrs 


AUGUST 12.W2 


Oimt Amam t- 


12 


SHU & R, OAMA$U: Our export 
of textiles to UK this year has been 
adversely affected by the duty imposed 
by UK. ht view of the fast that we 
used to export a large quantity of tex- 
tiles to UK and EEC countries, may 
I know whether any special arrange- 
ments are going to be made so that we 
can maintain our exports ? 

SHRI L. N. MISHKA. : Textile is 
one of the items in respect of which our 
performance in the field of exports is 
very poor. That is our complaint 
against the textile industry. It has. not 
been able to fulfil its commitment of 
export. That is. one of the aaain coosi- 
deratBom why we are going to take over 
the export of textiles. 

SHRI RAGHUNANDANLAL BHA- 
TTA : What is tike altitude of the British 
Government in. respect of the negotia- 
tions which am taking place between 
India and EEC countries ? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : I will call it 
helpful. They are not against our 
direct negotiations. 

late and, Transit Treaty fa South 
Aston Countries 
+ 

*308. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : 


for having this kin<k of tra< 
treaty? 


i India 
transit 


SHRI L. N. MISHRA: At the 
moment we have- arrangements only with 
the Government of Nepal At the 
Kabul conference of the Economic 
Ministers of this region it was decided 
fa have this kind or regional develop- 
ment. At- the moment, accept with 
Nepal, we have no arrangement, nor is 
there any dialogue going on. 

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
QRAHJt : Foe the last two yean the 
GQvesnmmt kodiu was proposing to 
open up a land route from Turkey, and 
Iran to Burma via Pakistan because it 
would: faritoate the trade and transit of 
the countries of the Asian region, and 
also help Afghanistan. Now that the 
Pakistan border has been opened for 
hade from Afghanistan to Rutin, may I 
know whether this proposal has ag ain 
been taken up? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : As I said, we 
have not taken up this matter with, any 
country. So far as Nepal' is concerned, 
we already have trade and transit treaty. 
With Pakistan, Bangladesh and other 
countries we have not come to any 
arrangement regarding the transit facili- 
ties for regional development 


Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether some countries in South 
Asia have shown keenness to sign a 
Treaty of Trade and Transit between 
themselves ; and 

(b) if so, what initiative the Govern- 
ment of India have taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) 
and (b). No, Sir. There has been no 
proposal under consideration for a 
common Treaty of Trade and Transit 
among the countries «■ in South Asia. 
There have, however, been certain initia- 
tives under the aegis of Economic Com- 
mission for Asia and the Far East, for 
closer trade and monetary co-operation 
among the countries of the region. These 
proposals have received the attention of 
several Governments, including that of 
the Government of India. 

SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : Which are the countries of 
this region which have entered Into 


SHRI B. V. NAIK : If we do not 
already have dialogue with countries of 
this area like Burma, Nepal, Bangladesh, 
West Pakistan, Ceylon, Afghanistan and 
other countries, since we are geogra- 
phically contiguous to these countries, 
would we at least at this stage initiate 
talks for having a South Asian Econo- 
mic Community because our economies 
are interdependent? 

MR. SPEAKER : You yourself 
argue about it and then also suggest it. 
This is not the proper way of asking a 
question. 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It is a very 
much wider approach. So far as the 
ECAFE is concerned, there is already 
a body for development of this area. So 
far as having some other body for this 
area is concerned we have no such 
proposal. As I said only yesterday in 
the Rajya Sabha, so far as jute is con- 
cerned-, we want to have some arrange- 
ment with Bangladesh. But it is a loud 
thinking. Nothing can be said at this 
stage. 



t3 


OnfAMWW 


SRAVAMA ?*, 


Q/*f, Am 9«« 


14 


4N* IW M«w l w» 4 WNp< fr 

ibpaii Express (Dirthi-CWcu#») 

*311. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
■pleased to state ; 

(a) whether some Members of 
Parliament have requested Government 
to fix some quota in Rajdhaai Express 
from Delhi to Calcutta for Members of 
Parliament ; 

(b) if so, whether any decision has 
•since been taken ; and 

(c) if not, the reason for delay ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PA1) : (a) Yes, Sir. 


wtll tr%yel both, ip summer- apd in win- 
ter. I want tq ktjpw whafire? W *H 
be some seats reserved for them, 

MR. SPEAKER : K may be possible 
alter your present term. 

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t ’ITfacPTI I. 99 

ffir aftr *ir®r i i aft $f<wrf <rtfaroi5fe 
% *r«rr1f v\ ntC. faw* 

gforr | f% fwt^l $ 3fMftf**€sw 
fq^tiT | ?qr qgfcv ^ 

vs fMK qnsf) % fHt? ffofr w i&i ? 


(h) and (cX It was decided some 
time ago that no such quota should be 
fixed. However, the matter is being 
re-examined. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The hon. 
Minister knows that a lot of Members 
of Parliament travel from here to Cal- 
cutta. Once thev exhaust air ticket, they 
have to travel by the Rajdhani Express 
because that is the quickest train. He 
says that the matter is under considera- 
tion. I would like to know when a 
final decision is likely to be taken, 
whether it is likely to be taken by the 
end of this session. 

SHRI T. A. PAI : It may not be 
possible to take a decision before the 
end of this session. Generally, in the 
past, it was found that we were in a 
position to provide accommodation to 
Members of Parliament as and when 
they wanted it, but there has been a 
persistent demand that some seats should 
be reserved for Members of Parliament. 
As against that, there have been public 
complaints also that in all the trains, 
because of reservations made for parti- 
cular classes like Members of Parlia- 
ment, Defence forces and all that, consi- 
derable inconvenience is caused to the 
public. This is leading to some corrupt 
practies. Therefore, we have appointed 
a Committee, with which the Members 
•of Opposition are also being associated, 
to go into the question of reservation. 
This matter also will be referred to the 
Committee. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : That 
Committee has been appointed. I wel- 
come that. My question is only this. 
There is a rush in the Rajdhani Ex- 
.press only during summer. But M.Ps 


SHRI T. A. ?^I : I am net going to 
withdraw any privileges, but, there are 
the complaints, that because of special 
reservations, shortages are created. How 
to get over fins problem ip being looked 
into by the Committee. We shall 
certainly see that these facilities are not 
withdrawn. If there are any abuses 
with which Railway officials are con- 
cerned, we shall try to prevent them. 

MR. SPEAKER: May I as the 
Speaker of this House ask you that we, 
that is, our Secretariat, should also have 
been consulted ? We are responsible 
for their coming and going and attending 
the House. I have no knowledge about 
anything. I at least have not appre- 
ciated this. 

SHRI T. A. PAI : Perhaps, you are 
aware that a Committee has now been 
appointed. 

MR. SPEAKER : If you yourself 
say that because of their coming the 
public is inconvenienced, the public 
will push them out. I do not think it 
is so. This is not a proper place to say 
that. I am passing on to the next 
Question. ( Interruptions ) . 

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— 

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t get excited. 
I will discuss it with the hon. Minister 
personally. I have not allowed any 
more questions on it. We have aU 
respect for the members of the public. 
But so far as the facilities to Member.; 
are concerned, it is the duty for me anil 
my Secretariat also to see that they are 
properly provided. They are provided 
in the Act. We have been following it. I 
would request the hon. Minister that in 



15 


Orttt Antwars 


AUGUST 22, 1572 


Oral Aamtrt 




tuch matters at least he should have 
the courtesy to consult mp also oa these 
points, 

SHRI T. A. PAI : Certainly, there is 
no intention to withdraw any facility. 
Whatever the facilities, I am safe- 
guarding them. 

MR. SPEAKER : Thank you, ' very 
much. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BQSU : Just one 
supplementary. 

MR. SPEAKER : No more supple- 
mentaries ; next Question. 


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f^rrt arfw f frtrT *itr i srfiwr 
’htt ’trw % tr vet 
ygl 3ft % tr^ swrtn 

TT 1 1 V* «Tf W| i 3HR 

?T? § TOT 5>eiT 5T\ STTWT 

sts ^ uinft i *f n? 3mi ^r^rr g ft 
^ TPTTT TT 3R«mf) 5ft* TOlf 
tot Tfft cTT? tot to tot% to 
ftqr shtot i 


3rhr stottto 1 mgwf (gsfNrt 
t?t#) *rfa % turn % 

*312. *fftTO STOT? : TOT tpfi 

Tl ftrr ft. : 


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’ rft % % totvt tro to 

afhc ®ror totoIt tt ^aror 

tot tot |; srft 


ft) ’rfe §r, cfl to totot to g*«rr 

% ftro toto totter tot 3<tpt to: ?gi |? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T, A. PAI) : (a) There is no 
danger to the Railway line between 
Ballia and Chupra stations due to 
erosion by river Ganga or river Ghogra. 

(b) Does not arise. 


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5rrf?r tott arft totoi % «tr ir toti | i 
Trror | arft or Jr tot i ?Wt 
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sTfror-^ror toto % f® tot to f © eft# 
??Rr tot to afrc ^ % j- f5R 

rft tor tot ? 


SHRI T. A. PAI : In 956, there was 
some trouble. But thereafter, I under- 
stand, adequate safeguards have been 
taken by the Irrigation Department of 
the U.P. Government and we do not 
apprehend any such threat now. 

*f)r vfliwi set* : sft?r trtot ?r ^ 
ffrvr $) ttflT % fttr srmr % ft»rrt 


SHRI T. A. PAI : Since the hon. 
Member is giving some information 
which may be some consequence, what- 
ever the reply I have given, I shall get 
the matter looked into. 

Proposals submitted by Kerala Govern- 
ment re : Cashew Industry 
-h 

*313. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 

SHRIMATI BHARGAVI 
THANKAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state the present 
stage of the proposals submitted by 
Government of Kerala regarding (i) the 
taking over of 25 more closed Cashew 
Factories by the Cashew Development 
Corporation and fixation of quota of 
17,646 tonnes of raw nuts (ii) grant of 
Rs. 150 lakhs and loan of a similar 
amount for the take-over of at least 
15 closed Cashew Factories under the 
provisions of the Kerala Relief Under- 
takings (Special provisions) Act (iii) 
issue of passports for skilled labourers 
engaged in Cashew industry to enable 
them to go to foreign countries (iv) 
allotment of additional quantities of 
raw nuts to factories run by the Corpo- 
ration and (v) refusal of raw nuts 
allotment to factories which do not 
implement minimum wages etc. to 
labourers 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : A statement 
is laid on the Table of the House. 


Statement 

The present position of the proposals 
is detailed below : — 

(1) Kerala State Cashew Develop- 
ment Corporation have taken over 



17 


Ora! Answers 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 


U 


twenty five cashew processing; factor- 
ies. Government have not received any 
proposal from the State Government 
regarding takeover of additional units. 

Imported raw cashew-nuts are allot- 
ted by the Cashew Corporation of India 
to the export oriented cashew processing 
units including the Kerala State Cashew 
Development Corporation on the basis 
of lowest of their entitlements worked 
out in relation to : — 

(1) best exports of the unit for 1968, 

1969 and prorata for 1970 prior 
to canalization ; 

(ii) best imports of the unit for the 
year 1968, 1969 and prorata for 

1970 prior to canalization ; 

(iii) processing capacity of the unit. 

(2) A loan of Rs. 20 lakhs has been 
made to the State Government to enable 
Kerala State Cashew Development Cor- 
poration to take over closed Cashew 
procuring units. 

(3) No such proposal has been 
received from the State Government. 
However skilled cashew labour can apply 
for passports under the normal rules. 

(4) Ad-hoc allotment of imported 
raw cashew nuts have been made to 
Kerala State Cashew Development Cor- 
poration to the tune of 10,000 tonnes. 

(5) Lists ol Cashew factories which 
are not implementing the Minimum 
wages Act furnished by the State Govt, 
are being scrutinized by the Cashew 
Corporation of India in consultation 
with the State Government. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : According 
to the statement, the Government says 
that allotments of raw cashew nuts are 
made to units having best export and 
import performance for the last three 
years. The present policy of the Gov- 
ernment helps only the monopoly 
groups. There are small units who have 
no import performance but they only 
export. Those small units are not 
getting raw nuts because they are not 
having any import. Do the Govern- 
ment consider to give raw nuts to small 
units who have no import performance 
but only export performance? 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : The import 
of cashewnut was canalised from 
September 1970. These were the norms 
fixed on an ad hoc basis. I do not 
agree with the hon. Member that the 


present arrangement b helping Only the 
monopolists or vested interests. But, all 
the same, there is a proposal to review 
the present ad hoc arrangement, and on 
behalf of the Cashew Corporation of 
India we have offered that raw nuts wilt 
be allotted only to units which are 
keeping the law of the land, namely, the 
minimum wages. I think, if that is 
implemented, it may meet the criticism 
of the hon. Member. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : The hon. 
Minister says that the Kerala Govern- 
ment has submitted the list. I would 
like to know from the hon. Minister 
what is the purpose of scrutinising the 
list submitted by the Kerala Govern- 
ment of those who have not implemen- 
ted the minimum wages. Kerala Govern- 
ment is a responsible body. What is 
the purpose of scrutinising that list? 

~SHRI A. C. GEORGE : This is a 
matter concerning more than 1.5 lakh 
workers. As was explained earlier, an 
ad hoc arrangement was made, but now 
when we change this and make a pucca 
arrangement, it has to be scrutinised 
well. This can be proved by the fact 
that the Kerala Government itself has 
submitted two lists which shows that 
they have their own confusion. Naturally 
when we make a permanent arrange- 
ment, we may have to scrutinise it 
further so that there are no lapses. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : When the 
pucca arrangement is made, is the 
number ot employees to be benefited 
likely to be reduced ? 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : No, Sir, Ulti- 
mately it will not affect the number of 
workers. The only thing will be, re- 
allocation will be made to see that the 
clandestine activities that are going on 
to avoid the minimum wages and other 
facilities which are legally to be given 
to the workers are stopped. The num- 
ber of workers engaged in this will be 
the only criterion, and it will be ensured 
that they are paid the minimum wages. 

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sft t irt 5ffl gf«rsrr fqfor 

arNTT tfim ffTTT if «ft I 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE: I do not 
think any facility was given by the 
Foreign Trade Ministry. 



19 


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August 22 , 1972 / 


Ota(Aiw*r »< 


20 


S#Ht|#NS)' taj Bfliww WfWMUt 

*315, SHRI GIRIOHAR 

GOMANGO : Will the - Miniver of 
RAl£\VAYS be pleased to state the; time 
by which Railway?, are confident of 
achieving self-sufficiency in Railway 
wagons? 

TUB MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The country has 
already achieved self-sufficiency in 
wagon production. In fact, a significant 
number of. wagons, is being exported 


ously move coal also. Rut on account 
of the law and order situation, m the 
eastern region, there have been some 
bottlenecks, Apert from these the 
covered wagon, situation also requires 
to be looked lpto, because there is, a 
practical shortage- in the sense, of pro- 
viding covered, wegqus— not °? er ‘ 
all situatiqn. All these difficulties, arp 
being looked into. We shall certainly 
see that the goods are kept moving in 
this country. 


every year, 

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tJRRRtS f%RI WJ 3PT? tJRftR | Rt R? 
W5I Wt I ? 

SHRI T. A. PAI : The question re- 
fers to self-sufficiency in wagon produc- 
tion. The requirements of wagons; parti- 
cularly for the Indian Railways, at 
times appear to be sufficient; but at 
times, because of the various changing 
patterns of trade and also certain res- 
trictions on movements, rapidly under- 
going changes. So we are now conti- 
nuously studying this problem with the 
idea that the bottlenecks that are now 
coming up in wagon movements are 
removed. 

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SHRI D. P. JADEJA : From the 
hon. Minister’s statement it seems that 
wagons for metrp-gsuge are also avail- 
able. If that’ is so, may I, knpw from 
the hon. Minister whether they would 
give preference tq, remove aft, tfte salt 
which is now dissolving in water m the 
coastal area? 

SHRI T. A. PAI : All the salt for 
human consumption is being moved. 
But, at the same time, we are trying to 
find out whether we should not have 
some coordination with coastal ship- 
ping also, so that, at least to some parts 
of the country salt or coal is moved by 
sea. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA: 
May I ask from the hon. Minister whe- 
ther he has received any complaint from 
the colliery dealers of Raniganj and 
Dhanbad area. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : This is a general 
question. But you are going into speci- 
fic points. This does not arise out of 
this. This is a simple question about 
self-sufficiency. You are going into rail- 
way lines. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
There are complaints that due to shor- 
tage of wagons, large stocks are being 
accumulated at pit-heads of the collie- 
ries in Raniganj and Dhanbad. 


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Mr. Salve. 


SHRI T. A. PAI : As and when 
complaints come, we are looking into 
them. But the basic problem is to keep 
our wagons moving continuously. The 
pattern of trade also has been under- 
going a change. When we were im- 
porting foodgrains the movement was 
to the northern parts of the country, 
but now after the Green Revolution, 


SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : If there is 
no shortage of wagons and if there is 
no acute shortage of efficiency, may I 
know from the Minister why, for the 
preceding six months, coal, manganese 
and fecro-manganese traders have been 
continuously pestering the Ministry and 
the Minister and if it were not for the 
Minister’s help, this trade would have 



Qtal itmmrs 


SRAVANA'3l*AM4 ASAEA) O^JAm^ers 32 


*1 


emm to a taindntable. pause. (Interrupt 
($Um) die is issue by 

sayiog tbat thdy are looking into the 
matter. (Interruption) He must indicate 
what they have looked into so far. There 
has been a seasonal trade everywhere. 
Have th£y tried to mobilise their move- 
ments along with the seasonal trade, ahd 
may I know what recent steps haye they 
taken to create conditions by which the 
psychology of shortage of wagons is 
properly treated. 

SHRI T. A. PAI : The hon. Member 
is perfectly right, if it is the psychology 
of shortages in wagons that are being 
manipulated. (Interruption) 

So far as the private trade is concern- 
ed, we are now finding that it has a right 
to reserve the wagons and cancel them 
at the last minute. A proper planning 
of scientific movement of wagons is yet 
to be undertaken by us in view of the 
difficulties we are experiencing. We 
are looking into the Railway Act itself 
to sec what steps are necessary to 
ensure that our wagons are released 
immediately, instead of being kept by 
the private traders. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. 

MR. GANGADEB — absent. 

MR. PRASANABHAI MEHTA - 
absent. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Only 
one supplementary which will interest 
you, Sir. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. I have 
passed on to the next question. 

Sudani ban on export of Cotton to 
India 

+ 

*317. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

SHRI VEKARIA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Sudan Government haye 
banned the export of cotton to India; 
an d 

(b) if so, the measures taken by Gov. 
erqipent to face the shortage of cotton, 
especially long staple cotton for finer 
varieties qf textiles? 


im uwmm of foreign 

TRADE m * I fL. N. *HSH*A) : (a) 
aqd (b). A batement is kid on the Table 
of the .House. 

Statement 

(a) Sudan Public Cotton Corporation 
suspended shipments of cotton to India 
on l&th July, 1972. They have done this 
on the jHea that certain credits to them 
in cotton already shipped have not been 
remitted by the State Bank of India, 
Bombay. The matter has been taken up 
with the Sudanese authorities. 

(b) Existing stocks of Sudan cotton 
are sufficient to meet industry’s require* 
ments for the next six months and there 
is no fear of shortage. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : From the 
statement which is a little confusing, 
may I ask the hon. Minister as to what 
measures are being taken to avoid such 
non-payment by our banks? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : This arose as 
a result of the uncertainty about the 
value of the pound sterling. That was 
the main reason and I am sure the pay- 
ment will be resumed and we will have 
the committed quantity of cotton from 
Sudan. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Non-payment 
by our banks to foreign countries is 
definitely not a fair practice in trade. 
May I know whether this was a delibe- 
rate move as we are not in need of more 
cotton ? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : It was not a 
deliberate move. The State Bank of 
India was the paying authority and as a 
result of the uncertainty of the value of 
sterling — you know it was there six or 
seven weeks ago — there was delay in 
payment and they stopped the shipment 
of cotton. But it is going to be resum- 
ed soon. 

SHRI VEKARIA : To meet this 
shortage, permanent shortage of staple 
cotton, I would like to know from the 
Minister, what long term measures the 
Government propose to take. To meet 
the shortage of such cotton, does the 
Government propose to give subsidised 
seeds for the production of such cotton? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : A compre- 
hensive scheme in collaboration with , the 
Planning Commission, Agriculture 
Ministry and the Ministry of Finance 
has been worked out to help the cotton 



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24 


growers to grow more cotton. But, here, 
it is one thing. From'pMan we get 
^juality cotton, hi^i qualify cotton which 
perhaps we will have to have from them 
for a number of years to come. But the 
quantity is not much. It varies from 
Jive to eight lakhs bales. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Now it is 
■admitted here that our banks stopped 
payment. I would like to know from 
the Minister whether it is true that the 
Government of India has not allowed 
remittance saying that there is no credit 
in the name of Sudan. If so, what is 
the reason? 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : There is no 
question of credit. Even for credit there 
are terms of payment and our terms of 
payment were not fulfilled in time. That 
is why the Sudanese exporters did not 
export the cotton to us. It was a tem- 
porary suspension and it is going to be 
resumed. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : My ques- 
tion was not answered. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : He has answered 
it. 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : We were 
not allowed to remit because there is no 
credit in the name of Sudan. 

MR. SPEAKER : No arguments 
please. This is not the time to argue. 

SHRI N. K. SANGHI : The hon. 
Minister said that the payment was not 
rendered by the State Bank due to the 
uncertainty in the value of pound ster- 
ling. May 1 know in what other cases 
the Bank did not pay. This difficulty 
should have arisen in respect of other 
countries also. 

SHRI L. N. MISHRA : I cannot say. 
It is mainly a question for the Ministry 
of Finance. 

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Arvind Netam 
— absent. 

Shri Onkar Lai Berwa— absent. 

Allotment of Railway Land in Delhi to 
Cooperative Housing Societies 
of RaUwaymen 

•320. SHRI DINEN BHATTA- 
CHARYYA : Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Mb Ministry has a policy 
to stimulate the growth of House Build- 
tog activities amongst the Rafiwaymen; 
and 


(b) if so, whether his Ministry has any 
scheme to allot the surplus railway land 
in Delhi area or near Delhi to the Co* 
operative Housing societies of Railway- 
men? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes* Sir. 

(b) No surplus Railway land is avail- 
able. However Railway Employees Co- 
operative Housing Societies have been 
allotted land by the Delhi Development 
Authority. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
May I know whether the Minister is in 
a position to state what percentage of 
the employees at the present moment 
have actually been provided with rail- 
way quarters? 

SHRI T. A. PAI : About 40% of the 
employees have been provided. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
There is a written complaint from the 
Commercial Clerks of the Eastern Rail- 
way that in spite of their repeated de- 
mands, they are not getting any facilities 
either for getting any accommodation 
in the railway buildings or even they are 
not getting loans, long term loans for 
building their own houses. If it is a 
fact, what is the reaction of the Gov- 
ernment in the matter? 

SHRI T. A. PAI : I shaU look into 
it. 

SHRI S. M. BANERIEE : The hon. 
Minister is aware that the railway em- 
ployees are not entitled to have any 
bouse from the General Pool from the 
Works & Housing Ministry. I would 
like to know whether any plan has been 
chalked out to have mbre houses during 
the Fourth Plan. If so, the number of 
houses to be constructed for Class III 
and IV employees. 

SHRI T. A. PAI : I shall be glad to 
answer if a separate question is put on 
the subject. This relates to co-opera- 
tive housing. 

SHRI R. P. YADAV : May I know 
whether the Government is in the know 
of the fact that some quarters earmark- 
ed for certain category of employees 
are given to some other category of em- 
ployees in the N. E. Railway and they 
are not being vacated? 

SHRI T. A. PAJ ; There may he a 
few such cases. I do not know under 
what circumstances they have been 



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Unites to me, I will live the informa- 
tion. 


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. (b) if so, the amount of deficit bala- 
nce; and 

(c) the steps Government have taken 
to atop this? 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) 
Yea, Sir. 

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on the 
Table of the House. 

Statement 


SHRI T. A. PAI : I think we will 
.have to wait for some better time. Every 
year we are spending about Rs. 5 crores 
for house building for railway emplo- 
yees, and the cost of building materials 
is going up. I think we are accomplish- 
ing less and less year after year. Any- 
way, we are looking into this, and see 
what best can be done. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : There are 
50,000 — 60,000 acres of land with the 
railways and the number of railway em- 
ployees form a very select group. We are 
told land is available whether in the 
urban or the rural area along the rail- 
way track or in the various urban cen- 
tres. Will the Railway Minister let us 
know whether since these are public 
properties and since these are public 
undertakings, it will be kept open for 
housing facilities for the railway emplo- 
yees alone or for other people also who- 
ever deserve to be given or would it be 
kept as a sort of private reserve for rail- 
way men alone? 

SHRT T. A. PAT : The land has been 
given to the Railways for a specific pur- 
pose. The Railways will have to decide 
for what purpose it has to be used. 
Otherwise, the land has to be given back 
to the State so that it may be used for 
other purposes. 


During 1970-71, the adverse balance 
ot trade with Federal Republic of Ger- 
many was of the order of Rs. 74.57 
crores as against Rs. 54.55 crores during 
1969-70. During 1971-72 (April-Janu- 
ary) the advance balance of trade with 
Federal Republic of Germany was of 
the order of Rs. 74.88 crores as against 
Rs. 60.58 crores during the correspond- 
ing period of the previous year. 

2. To arrest this trend of widening 
trade deficit with West Germany steps 
have been taken to intensify the efforts 
for accelerated promotion of exports to 
West Germany. These include efforts 
taken to secure reduction /elimination of 
tariff /non-tariff barriers on items of ex- 
port interest to India, identification and 
concentration of export efforts on a few 
selected products, consideration of the 
question of launching a Commercial 
Development Programme, participation 
in fairs /exhibitions, exchange/ sponsor- 
ing of sales teams /delegations, explora- 
tion of ways and means to secure in* 
creased West German investments in ex- 
port-oriented ventures in India and also 
to secure Indian participation in joint- 
ventures abroad including consultancy 
services, effective utilisation of import 
agencies in West Germany, and measures 
for ensuring effective/dynamic function- 
ing of export promotion agencies locat- 
ed in India and abroad. 


WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES- 
TIONS 

Deficit Trade with Federal Re- 
public of Germany 

*303. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a trend of widen- 
ing deficit trade balance developing in 
the trade between India and Federal Re- 
public of Germany; 


Channelising Imports & Exports 
through S.T.C. 

*309. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of 
FOREIN TRADE be pleased to state 
the extent to which the State Trading 
Corporation has succeeded in channelis- 
ing imports and exports in the best inte- 
rests of the country’s economy? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : The State 
Trading Corporation has been able to 



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arrmg*. import of Jtdaqaate qaandties 
of various raw materials in wlk in a 
planned and phased manner, at competi- 
tive prices, thereby Electing savings in 
foreign exchange and ensuring their 
supply to the consumers at reasonable 
prices. As regards exports, the STC has 
been able to eliminate internal competi- 
tion amongst exporters, to secure the 
best prices from foreign buyers and to 
promote exports of various commodi- 
ties, and has been at the same time, 
assisting small manufacturers in export- 
ing their products. 

Damage due to floods in Birbhum, 
West Bengal 

*310. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA : 
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) total damage to crops, foodgrains 
and buildings .caused by recent floods in 
Birbhum in West Bengal, Block-wise; 

(b) the areas in Birbhum which have 
been affected by the recent floods and 
to what extent ; and 

(c) the amount of grant sanctioned in 
this regard to the West Bengal Govern- 
ment for different Districts? 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : (a) 
and (b). No report has so far been re- 
ceived from the State Government in 
respect of damage due to floods in 
Birbhum district of West Bengal. 

(c) No amount has so far been sanc- 
tioned by the Centre to the West Bengal 
Government during the current year. 

Profit Railways during Next 
Financial Year 

*314. DR. SANKATA PRASAD : 
Wffl the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the RaUways expected to 
earn profit in the next financial year; 
and 

(b) if so, the amount thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. FAI) : (a) It is too early at 
this stage to make any anticipations 
about the surplus m the budgetary posi- 
tiou of the Railways {or the necqt year. 

(b> Dees not arise. 


Mat Review CammRtM lor fiMx 
.Nepal Saute Agreement 

*316. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether a meeting of the joint re- 
view committee of India and Nepal was 
held in Kathmandu on 24th July, 1972 
to review the implementation of the 
lndo-Nepal Trade and Transit Treaty 
concluded in August, 1971 ; and 

(b) if so, a resume of the discussions 
held and decisions taken at the meeting? 

THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN 
TRADE (SHRI L. N. MISHRA) : (a) 
and (b). Yes, Sir. The Committee re- 
viewed the working of the lndo-Nepal 
Treaty of Trade and Transit (1971) — 
both with reference to trade between 
India and Nepal and the transit of 
Nepal’s trade with ‘third* countries 
through India. 

2. The delegations exchanged informa- 
tion and discussed the adequacy of 
measures in force to prevent smuggling 
and deflection. It was felt that on the 
whole these were functioing satisfac- 
torily and the Treaty had worked 
smoothly. The Committee agreed that 
the following steps would be taken with 
a view to strengthen mutual contacts be- 
tween the appropriate agencies of the 
two countries : — 

(i) Customs Group : 

(a) The Indian Border Examiners 
of Customs will liaise with their 
counterparts in Nepal once a 
month. 

(b) The Collector of Customs, 
Patna, will liaison with his counter- 
part in H.M.G. of Nepal. Such 
meetings may be held quarterly. 

Group (a) and (b) will report the results 
of their efforts for consideration of the 
loint Review Committee. 

(ii) Statistical Group : 

Appropriate statistical groups of 
the two countries shall meet im- 
mediately and thereafter at perio- 
dical intervals before the Joint 
Review Committee 

3. In the light of the experience of (be 
working of fife new Treaty mid oh the 
request made by Nepal, ft was agreed 



29 Written Answers SRAVANA 31 

to allocate an additional open space of 

20.000 sq. ft. adjacent to the area of 

10.000 sq. ft. already provided to Nepal 
at King George's Dock Extension. The 
two sides also agreed to provide two 
additional transit routes via Naxalbari 
and Sursand and one additional route 
for trade with India to cater to the re- 
quirements of Gularia District of Nepal. 
Keeping in view the needs of Nepal, it 
was agreed to provide additional wagons 
for movement of essential commodities 
like salt, coal and cement to Nepal. 
Pending conclusion of an agreement be- 
tween India and Nepal on road trans- 
port, the two Governments agreed, on 
the basis of reciprocity, to facilitate the 
movement of commercial vehicles of 
one country in the territory of the other. 
India has agreed to permit the Nepal 
Transport Corporation to ply container 
trucks in India, without insisting on 
bank guarantee. 

4. The question of refund of arrears 
of excise duty was also discussed. It 
was agreed to waive some of the re- 
quirements of the agreed procedure to 
enable H.M.G. of Nepal to prefer their 
claims. 


Augmentation of Power Generation 
in Madhya Pradesh 

*318. SHRT ARV1ND NET AM : 
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount of power generated in 
Madhya Pradesh ; 

(b) the assessed demand for power in 
the State at present; and 

(c) the measures Government propose 
to take to increase power generation in 
the State during the IV Plan Period? 


THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO): (a) 
The power generated in Madhya Pra- 
desh is 10.4 million Kwh /day corres- 
ponding to about 570MW. 

(W As per the Seventh Annual Power 
Survey the peak load demand in the 
State is expected to rise from 478 in 
1971-71 to 553 in 1972-73. 

(c) Additional generating capacity was 
to accrue in the Fourth Plan to Madhya 

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Pradesh from the following projects : — 

(0 Ranapratapsagar Hydro- 
electric Project-Fourth 
Unit of 43 MW 

50% share . .21.5 MW 

(a) Jawaharsagar Hydro- 
electric Project (3X33 
MW) 

50% share . . 49.5MW 

(3I Satputa Thermal Power 
Station Fifth Unit of 
62.5 MW 

60% share . . 37.5MW 

(4) Extension of Korba Ther- 
mal Power Station. 120 MW 

228 5 MW 

Additional generating capacity front 
Jawaharsagar (16.5 MW), Ranapratap- 
sagar (21.5 MW) and Satpura (37.5 
MW) power stations has become avail- 
able. Balance share of 33 MW from 
Jawaharsagar will become available by 
1973-74 The Korba Extension Unit will, 
however, spill over to the Fifth Plan. 

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Written Answers 


32 


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Cases pending in the Estate Officers’ 

Court’s re. Encroachments by Two 

Firms at Burnpur (S. E. Railway) 

2980. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether any cases are pending in 
the Estate Officers’ Court under the Pub- 
lic Premises (Eviction of Unauthorised 
Occupants) Act regarding Railway land 
encroached upon by two firms at Burn- 
pur on South Eastern* Railway in 1956 
and 1957; 

(b) if so s the outcome thereof ; and 

(c) the action being taken to decide 
the cases without further delay? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes. 

(b) and (c). Action was initiated under 
the Public Premises (Eviction of Un- 
authorised Occupants) Act to evict the 


encroachers from the Railway land. 
The cases are sub judlce in the Estate 
Officer’s Court. 

Representation from Diamond Mer- 
chants Association re. Import 
of Diamonds 

2981. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of FORE- 
IGN TRADE be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the Diamond Merchants 
Association has represented to Govern- 
ment against the policy of import of 
rough diamonds; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The representation pertains to the 
increase in the percentage of compul- 
sory issue of release orders for rough 
diamonds on National Minerals Deve- 
lopment Corporation from 10% to 20% 
of the entitlement under the Registered 
Exporters Policy and giving retrospec- 
tive effect to it from 1st April, 1972, 
irrespective of the period of export. 
This decision is in keeping with the 
general policy of progressive canalisa- 
tion followed by Government, and no 
change in it is contemplated for the pre- 
sent. 

Opening of Jute Corporation Office 
in Assam 

2982. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Jute Corporation of 
India has opened its office in Assam ; 

(b) the quantity of jute purchased by 
the Jute Corporation in Assam upto the 
end of June, 1972; and 

(c) whether the Corporation purchas- 
ed jute directly from jute growers or 
through appointed agents? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Jute purchases in Assam 
during 1971-72 (July-June) were under- 
taken by the State Trading Corporation. 
The Corporation purchased 21,760 
quintals through iour agents appointed 
by the Corporation, 



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34 


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Engineering Association Delegation’s 
visit to South East Asia and 
Japan 

2984. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : 

SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 

JHUNWALA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a delegation of Engineer- 
ing Associations recently visited South 
East Asia and Japan ; 

(b) if so, whether the delegation has 
submitted any report to Government 
pointing out the industries that can be 
set up as joint ventures ; and 

(c) if so, the salient features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). A preliminary report has 
been received from the delegation which 
highlights the prospects for increased ex- 
port of engineering goods to South East 
Asian Countries and also mentions the 
scope for establishing more of joint ven- 
tures and labour intensive small scale 
industries in the field of Metallic ore 
smelting industry. Manufacture and as- 
sembly of motor vehicles and bicycles, 
Electronic goods. Industrial Machinery 
and parts. Cast iron products. Pipes and 
Tubes and fittings. Electrical goods and 
appliances. Engines and turbines. Ship 
building and transport equipment, Hard- 
ware tools, and Instruments — surgical, 
scientific etc. 

The salient features of the delegation's 
preliminary report pertaining to joint 
ventures ar© as follows : — 

(a) A team representing the small 
scale industries should be sent 


to Malaysia to study opportuni- 
ties for establishment of labour 
intensive small scale industries. 

(ii) Delegations from these countries 
should be invited to visit engi- 
neering facilities in India. 

Acreage of Land Irrigated in 
Madhya Pradesh 

2985. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the acreage of irrigated land at 
present in Madhya Pradesh, District- 
wise, and 

(b) the acreage of land likely to be 
irrigated by the end of the current Plan, 
District-wise ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
A statement showing the district-wise 
net irrigated area in Madhya Pradesh in 
1970-71, the latest year for which it is 
available at the Centre, is laid on the 
Table of the House. [Placed in library - 
See No. LT— 3467/72.] 

(b) The irrigation potential in 
Madhya Pradesh at the end of the 
Fourth Plan is expected to be 11.9 lakh 
hectares from major and medium pro- 
jects and 8 7 lakh hectares from minor 
irrigation works. District-wise break up 
is not available at the Centre. 

Shortage of Power in Madhya Pradesh 

2986. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether by the end of the year 
1974-75 there will be a deficit of nearly 
383 M.W. of Power in Madhya Pradesh; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps taken or proposed 
to be taken ip near future to meet the 
shortage ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
There will be a shortage of about 300 
MW of power in Madhya Pradesh by 
the end of 1974-75. 

(b) To mitigate the power shortage, it 
is proposed to augment the installed 



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36 


generating capacity in the State by tak- 
ing up new schemes as well as extensions 
to plants at existing power stations such 
as Korha, Amarkantak and Satpura for 
completion during the Fifth Plan period 
totalling 1460 MW. 

Power and Irrigation Schemes of 
Madhya Pradesh Government 
pending with Planning Com- 
mission 

2987. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of major Schemes of 


Power and Irrigation of Madhya Pra- 
desh Government which are pending 
with the Planning Commission Tor ap- 
proval; and 

(b) since when, these schemes are 
pending and the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
and (b). A statement showing the major 
multi-purpose, irrigation and power pro- 
jects, received from Madhya Pradesh 
Government, which have not yet been 
cleared, and the present stage of exami- 
nation, is enclosed. 


Statement 


SI. Name of Project Date of Stage of Examination 

No. receipt 

in C.W. 

& P.C. 


Multipurpose Projects 

1 Narmada Sagar . . , 30-5-68 The scheme lies in t lie Narmada 

basin, and it may he possible 
to clear it in the near future. 

2 Bansagar .... 17-6-60 The scheme imolves intcr-State 

aspects relating to utilisation of 
Sone waters among Ma Iliya 
Pradesh, Bihar and Utlar Pra- 
desh, which arc under discussion 
with the State Go\ ernments. 

Irrigation Project* 

3 Sukta ..... 29-4-63 The srheme lies m the Narmada 

basin, and it may be possible to 
clear it in the near future. 

• 

4 Bargi ..... 22-2-69 The scheme lies in the Narmada 

basin, and it may be possible to 
clear it in the near future. 

5 Upper Wainganga . . 26-10-70 The scheme lies m the Godavari 

basin, and its clearance will have 
to await the award of the Godavari 
Water Disputes Tribunal. 

6 Hasdeo (Bango) . . . 9-6-72 Under Examination. 




37 


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SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAXA) WrUtten Answers 38 


SI. Name of Project Date of Stage of Examination 

No. receipt 

in C.W. 

&P.C. 


Power Projects 

7 BodhghatHydro-eicctric Project 6-8-70 The scheme report bas been exami- 

ned and certain clarifications 
additional details called for from 
the State Government. Their 
reply is awaited. The scheme is 
in Godavari basin, the water 
disputes regarding which are 
before a Tribunal. 


1 3-9-7 1 The Central Water and Power 
Commission’s comments on the 
scheme arc being finalised for 
consideration of the Technical 
Advisory Committee. 


8 Expansion of Thermal stations 

at Korba, Satpura and 
Amatkantak by installing one 
120 MW unit at each loca- 
tion- 

9 Harinphal Hydel Project. . 

10 Milicshwar Hydel Project 


Refusal of D.V.C. to meet the Power 
requirements of Industries in 
West Bengal 

2988. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of 
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas- 
ed to state whether Damodar Valiev Cor- 
poration has refused to meet the 
power requirements of the industries 
around Calcutta and have asked the Cal- 
cutta Electricity Supply Board to meet 
Ihc demand of these industries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The 
responsibility of meeting the loads 
of industries in and around Calcutta 
rests with the Calcutta Electric Supply 
Corporation Ltd. m its own licence area 
and with the West Bengal State Electri- 
city Board, outside the licencees’ area. 
Damodar Valley Corporation is required 
to supply to consumers at a voltage ex- 
ceeding 30 kV only within the Damodar 
Valley. However, under an agreement 
with the Calcutta Electric Supply Com- 
pany Ltd., the Damodar Valley Corpo- 
ration bas been supplying to Calcutta 
Electric Supply Company about 105 
MVA since April, 1957, with the permis- 
sion of the State Government. The res- 
ponsibility of making additional supply 


1 9-5-72 1 

}-Under examination. 
l 9‘5-72 J 


is that of the West Bengal State Electri- 
city Boards. The question of Damodar 
Valley Corporation supplying power to 
industries in and around Calcutta does 
not arise. 

Implementation of Scheme for Develop- 
ment of Coir Indnstiy in Kerala 

2989. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the scheme for the deve- 
lopment of coir Industry submitted by 
the Government of Kerala has been ap- 
proved ; 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof 
and the steps taken for the implementa- 
tion of the scheme ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons for the delay ? 

THE DEPUfY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A C. GEORGE): (a) The 
scheme for the development of coir in- 
dustry submitted by Government of 
Kerala was examined by a Study Group 
set up by the Planning Commission. A 
representative of the Kerala State Gov- 
ernment was also a member of the Study 
Group. The recommendations made by 
the Study Group were conveyed to the 
State Government. 


39 Written Answsri 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 


40 


(b) and (c). The study Group assess- 
ed, the financial requirement of the 
Kerala Government Scheme at Rs. 6.99 
crores in the shape of capital, manage- 
rial assistance etc. for the cooperative 
societies. The financial requirements 
were to be met from within the approv- 
ed Plan outlay for the Kerala State and 
institutional finance. The State Govern- 
ment have initiated some action to ensure 
implementation of the scheme. 

Confirmation of Commercial inspectors 
now on Deputation (Western 
Railway) 

2990. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Commercial Ins- 
pectors who have been on deputation 
and not confirmed so far on Western 
Railway ; and 

(b) The steps being taken to confirm 
them ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). No 
Commercial Inspector is on deputation 
from the Western Railway to any other 
Government /Semi-Government under- 
taking. 

Request to Pakistani Authorities by 
Indian Officials at Hussainiwala 
Headworfcs to open sluice-gates 
to prevent flooding of 
Indian Territory 

2991. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : 
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any request was made by 
the Indian Officials at Hussainiwala 
Headworks on 9th July, 1972 to Pakis- 
tani authorifies to open eight sluice- 
gates to prevent flooding of the Indian 
territory; 

(b) if so, the facts of the case; and 

(c) whether Pakistani authorities had 
rejected the proposal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). In July this year at the re- 
quest of Indian Government the Pakis- 
tan Government opened all the gates on 


their side of the Hussainiwala headworks 
except two which were not operational 
Government of India expressed appre- 
ciation for this gesture. 

Tellicherry-Mysore Railway Line 

2992. SHRI RAMACHANDRAN 
KADANNAPPALLI : Will the Minis- 
ter of RAILWAYS be pleased to refer 
to the reply given to Unstarred Ques- 
tion No. 265 on the 16th November, 
1971 regarding Tellicherry-Mysore Rail- 
way Line and state whether Government 
propose to take up Tellicherry-Mysore 
Railway Line in the Fifth Five Year 
Plan? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The Survey Reports 
of 1960 had shown that this rail link 
would be highly unremunerative. Due 
to the difficult ways and means position 
it is unlikely that this rail link will find 
a place in the Fifth Five Year Plan. 


Consultations with Kerala Government 

regarding the approval of Kabani 
Irrigation Project Scheme 

2993. SHRI RAMACHANDR\N 
KADANNAPPALLI: Will the Minis- 
ter of IRRIGATION AND POWER be 
pleased to state whether Government of 
Kerala had been consulted before ap- 
proving the Kabani Irrigation Project 
Scheme of Mysore State? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The 
Planning Commission approved in 1958 
a small sized Kabani Project, which did 
not involve any submergence in Kerala. 

In July 1970 the Government of 
Mysore submitted a revised Kabani Pro- 
ject involving submergence of some 
areas in Kerala and this was objected 
to by the Government of Kerala. In 
order to resolve the Cauvery water dis- 
pute, a Fact Finding Committee consist- 
ing of engineers, a retired judge and an 
agricultural expert has been set up to 
collect all the connected data pertaining 
to Cauvery waters, its utilisation etc. 
and making use of the data, discussions 
will be held between the Chief Ministers 
of Tamil Nadu, Mysore and Kerala to 
arrive at an agreed allocation of waters 
for the three States. 



41 


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SR AVAN A 31 1894 (SAKA) Written An we is 


42 


Kabani Irrigation Scheme 

2994. SHRll RAMACHANDRAN 
KADANNAPPALLl : Will the Minis- 
ter of IRRIGATION AND POWER 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether thousand of acres of land 
with improvements and buildings, will 
be submerged under water when the 
Kabani Irrigation Scheme is complet- 
ed; and 

(b) if so, whether Government of 
Mysore have been asked to reduce the 
full reservoir level of the said Scheme 
so that it may not effect the neighbour 
State ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
and (b). The Planning Commission ap- 
proved in 1958 a small sized Kabani 
project which did not involve any sub- 
mergence in Kerala. 

In July, 1970 the Government of 
Mysore sent a revised Kabani project 
which involves submergence in Kerala. 
The revised project which has not been 
approved by the Government of India, 
indicates that about 254 acres of cultiv- 
able land in Kerala State would be 
affected due to backwater effect. The 
project was objected to by the Govern- 
ment of Kerala. In order to resolve the 
Cauvery waters dispute, a Fact Finding 
Committee consisting of engineers, a re- 
tired judge and an agricultural expert 
has been set up to collect all the con- 
nected data pertaining to Cauvery 
waters, its utilisation etc. and making 
use of the data, discussions will be held 
between the Chief Ministers of Tamil 
Nadu, Mysore and Kerala to arrive at 
an agreed allocation of waters for the 
three States. 


Construction of over-bridge at Jugsalai 
Bazar Level Crossing between 
Tatanagar and Adityapur 
Railway Station 

2995. SHRI SWARAN SINGH 
SOKHI: Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Bihar Government have 
given green signal for construction of 
over-bridge at Jugsalai Bazar level cross- 
ing at Jamshedpur between Tatanagar 


and . Adityapur Railway Stations (Cha- 
kradharpur Section) (South Eastern 
Railway) ; and 

(b) if so, when the construction work 
will start? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) No. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Sanctioned Strength of Commercial 
Clerks, Western Railway 

2996. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA- 
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 2440 
on the llth April, 1972 regarding sanc- 
tioned strength of Commercial Clerks, 
Western Railway and state : 

(a) whether the information has since 
been collected; 

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and 

(c) if not, the time likely to be taken 
by Government ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes. 

(b) A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House. | Placed in library. See 
No. LT — 3468/72.] 

(c) Does not arise. 

Expenditure on Vigilance Organisation 
of Indian Railways 

2997. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA- 
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 1819 
on the 4th April, 1972 regarding expen- 
diture on Vigilance Organisation of 
Indian. Railways gmd State: 

(a) whether the information has 
since been collected ; 

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and 

(c) if not, the time likely to be taken 
by Government to collect the same? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes. 

(b) and (c). A statement is attached. 



43 Written Answer a AUGUST 22, 1972 Written Answers 44 

W 

StaUnunt 


Total number cases detected 
and investigated by the Vigi- 
lance Organisation during 
! 97 ! * 

*5168 

Central Railway . . . 

438 

Eastern Railway . • . 

501 

Northern Railway 

1054 

North Eastern Railway • 

647 

Northeast Frontier Railway • 

326 

Southern Railway 

1150 

South Central Railway 

206 

South Eastern Railway 

271 

Western Railway . 

456 

Railway Board 
(Vigilance Directoi ate) 

1 *9 


(b) Number of cases prosecuted 
in court of law and found 
established or otherwise (as on 
Apiil, 1972) 


(i) Prosecuted 

(ii) Convicted 

(iii) Pending trial 


60 

5 

54 


NOTE : Actions in the above were taken by G.B.I. against Railway servants — Hence 
not included in the cases detected and investigated by the Zonal Rail- 
ways. 


(c) Number of cases dealt with dc- 
partmentally, found establi- 
shed or otherwise : 

(i) Cases in which Adminis- 
trative action was taken 1528 

\ii) Gases in which disciplinary 
proceedings were initia- 
ted . 1060 

(iii; CisesMroppcd after enquiry 2580 

(d) Percentage of performance of 
cases. 


(b) to (a) above 

C (i) to (a) • . 

C (ii; to (a; 

C(iii) to (a) ... 

(e) Total expenditure on Vigilance 
Organisation during 1971* 

(i) Pay ... 

(ii) Allowances 


Not given in view of the 
note under (b) 

29 . 57 % 

20 .51% 

49 . 92 % 


Rs. 28,88,090 
Rs. 22,47,877 


♦Break up zonewise. 


45 


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SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 46 


Working condition of Railway 
Commercial Clerks 

2998, SHftI CHANDRIKA PRA- 
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 1393 
on the 28th March, 1972 regarding work- 
ing conditions of Railway Commercial 
Clerks and state : 

(a) whether the information has since 
been collected ; 

(b) if so, the gist thereof ; and 

(c) if not, the time likely to be taken 
by Government to collect the same? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes. 

(b) A statement is attached. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Statement 

Information promised in reply to 
Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No. 
1393 dated 28-3-72 regarding work- 
ing conditions of Commercial 
Clerks. 

What was mentioned in the reply to 
Unstarred Question No. 3370 on the 
17th March, 1970 was that the yard- 
sticks in force in the Commercial De- 
partment had beerr reviewed by all Rail- 
ways except two. No separate officers 
were appointed for this work. The re- 
view was conducted by the Chief Com- 
mercial Superintendents assisted by their 
departmental officials, ft was not neces- 
sary to interrogate Station employees 
for this purpose. Most Railways did 
not take up study of individual stations 
though some Railways did so, e.g., the 
Central Railway studied stations like 
Bombay V.T., Dadar, Kalyan, Poona, 
Nasik Road, Badnera, Amraoti, Nagpur, 
Chandrapur, Ballarshah etc., utilising 
Senior Commercial Inspectors under the 
guidance of Divisional Commercial 
Superintendents. The conclusion reach- 
ed was that no change was necessary in 
the existing yardsticks. 

The One Man Expert Committee on 
Compensation Claims in the report has 
made the following recommenda- 
tions : — 

“246. Railways should keep under 
constant review the requirements 
of labour and staff in parcel offi- 
ces, Luggage Guards or Parcel Deli- 
very Clerks on Trains and the 
stoppages of passenger, Mail and 
Express trains.” 


“247. Provision of staff and labour 
should not be based on the average 
number of parcels handled but 
should take full account of the con- 
ditions prevailing at the time of 
grouping of passenger trains.” 

“612. Insufficiency of staff at load- 
ing, unloading and transhipment 
points is one of the major contri- 
butory causes of increase in the 
Railways’ Claims bill.” 

“613. It is suggested that a quick 
survey be made of the utilisation 
and sufficiency of staff at all the 
larger goods sheds, transipment 
sheds, parcel offices and private 
sidings and early steps taken to 
make such adjustments or addi- 
tional appointments as may be 
necessary for full compliance with 
the rules regarding acceptance, 
booking, loading, unloading and 
transhipment oi goods and par- 
cels.” 

The Committee’s recommendations 
have been accepted by Government and 
instructions issued to the Railways. 

Strength of Commercial Clerks in 
Booking, Parcel and Goods Offi- 
ces, Dhanbad Station (Eastern 
Railway) 

2999. SHRI CHANDRIKA PRA- 
SAD : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 3962 
on the 25th April, 1972 regarding 
strength of Commercial Clerks in Book- 
ing, Parcel and Goods Offices, Dhanbad 
Station (Eastern Railway) and state : 

(a) whether the information has 
since been collected; 

(b) if so, the gist thereof; and 

(c) if not, the time likely to be taken 
by Government to collect the same? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes. 

(b) A statement Is attached. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Statement 

Information promised in reply to 
Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No. 
3962 dated 25-4-72 by Shri Onkar 
Lai Berwa. 

Question 

(a) the total sanctioned cadre strength 
of Commercial Clerks in each grade. 



47 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 


r 

48: 


separately in Booking, Parcel and Goods 
Offices of DhanbacT’ Station of Eastern 
Railway. 


Grade 

w— 

Booking 

Office 

Parcel 

Office 

Goods 

Office 

Rs. 250 — 380 

1 

1 

1 

Rs. 205—280 

2 

1 

3 

Rs. 150 — 240 

13 

8 

6 

Rs. no — 200 

12 

2 

1 


In addition to the above, there are 17 
posts of Leave Reserve Commercial 
Clerks in grade Rs. 110-200 (AS) and 
one post of Commercial Supervisor in 
grade Rs. 335-425 for Dhanbad Station 
as a whole. 

Question 

(b) the number of Commercial Clerks, 
"Permanent and Officiating” in the grade 
of Rs. 150-240 posted m Booking and 
Parcel Office at the station and the dates 
from which the said staff are officiating; 

Answer 

All the posts of Commercial Clerks in 
Rs. 150-240 m both Booking and Par 
cel offices of Dhanbad Station have been 
filled as a permanent measure and there 
is no officiating arrangement against 
any of these posts. 

Question 

(c) the outline of rules framed by the 
Railways to give officiating chance to 
the Station staff? 

A ns wer 

As per extant rules officiating pay is 
adlmissible to Commercial Clerks in 
grade Rs. 110-200 (AS) when officiating 
in grade Rs.l 50-240 (AS) against vacan- 
cies of over 14 days. 

• 

Nationalisation of private tea industry 
in Assam 

3000. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a continuous 
demand from public and Labour Orga- 
nisations to nationalise the private tea 
industry in Assam; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction 
thereto ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Nationalisation of the private tea indus- 
try has been suggested on occasions, 
but Government have not felt it neces- 
sary to consider at present nationalising 
the tea industry. 


Problems of Ratlam Division sent by 
All India Loco Running Staff Associa- 
tion (Western Railway) 

3001. SHRI PANNA LAL BARU- 
PAL : Will the Minister ot RAILWAYS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether All India Loco Running 
Staff Association, Western Railway, had 
represented some problems of Ratlam 
Division to the Chief Operating Superin- 
tendent with copies to all concerned 
vide its letters dated the 17th June, 
1972 and 26th June, 1972; and 

(b) if so, the problems referred to 
therein and the action taken by Govern- 
ment thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) A memoran- 
dum dated the 17th June, 72 addressed 
to the Chief Operating Superintendent, 
Western Railway, Bombay by this 
Association was received. The other 
communication dated the 26th June *72 
has not been received. 

(b) The demands of the Association 
as highlighted in the said memorandum 
are : 

(i) Arrears of pay fixation, staff 
working in higher capacities; 

(ii) Arrears ot non-payment of cor- 
rect mileage allowance to the 
Diesel Crews attending BSB Shop 
for taking over locomotives; 

(iii) Forced overduty hours Irom 
staff and harassments and punish- 
ments; 

(iv) Breach of Rest rules by senduig 
calls to the staff much before 

completion of headquarter rest; 

(v) Breach of Safety rules by book- 
ing untrained staff work trains; 

(vi) Cadre position of Loco Running 
staff; 

(vii) Reserved accommodation for the 
crew travelling spare; 



Written Answers 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 


50 


(viii) Allotment of Railway Quarters 
to Loco Running staff; 

(ix) Out-station detention of Loco 
Running staff; 

(x) Load hauled by Diesel Locomo- 
tives between Ratlam & Godhra 
Section; 

(xi) Provision of Small Sheds for 
shelter of Loco Running Staff at 
Ratlam; 

(xii) Increased Train partings and 
Drivers: — 

(a) Shortage of material, 

(b) Examination of trains, 

(c) Maintenance of locomotives 
and loads of the trams, 

(d) Out of Course halts, 

(e) Improper marshalling of 
trains. 

Such points are raised from time to 
time by recognised labour organisations 
and arc generally settled through dis- 
cussions in the meetings of the Negotia- 
ting Machinery at different levels. 

Reservation quota for Scheduled 
Castes/Tribes in S.T.C. 

3002. SHR1 A. S. KASTURE : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the staff strength, category -wise 
in the State Trading Corporation as on 
1st January, 1972 and the number ot 
employees belonging to the Scheduled 
Castes/Tribes; 

(b) whether reservation quota for 
Scheduled Castes /Tribes has been main- 
tained; 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor; and 

(d) the specific steps Government 
proposes to take to fulfil the shortfall? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) A state- 
ment is laid on the Table of the House 
f Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3469/ 


(b) There are deficiancies in the 
various categories. 

(c) The main reason has been non- 
availability of suitable candidates, as 
STC requires specialists in various 
fields. 


(d) Special selections for making up 
the shortfalls is being made. 

Different rates of payment between 
Drivers and other running staff 

3003. SHRI PRAVEENSINH SOLA- 
NKI : Will the Minister of RAILWAYS 
be pleased to refer to the reply given 
to Unstarred Question No. 2443 on the 
1 1th April, 1972 regarding payment of 
running allowance and state the reasons 
for different rates of payment of com- 
pensatory allowance to Drivers ‘A’, ‘IT 
and ‘C* classes and other running staff 
when there was no difference previous- 
ly? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : Even earlier the 
rates were different in certain cases. A 
simplified procedure of payment ex- 
pressing the compensatory allowance in 
terms of kilometrage value was introduc- 
ed in 1967. Since the rates of kilo- 
metrage payments for different cate- 
gories of running staff vary, the com- 
pensatory allowances also vary. Such 
variation is also logical inasmuch as 
the out-of-pocket expenses to staff are 
also paid at different rates for differing 
slabs of pay. 

Parties to whom goods and coal handl- 
ing Contracts in Assam region of North- 
east Frontier Railway were given 

3004. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the names of the parties to whom 
goods and coal handling contracts of 
North-east Frontier Railway in Assam 
region have been given during 1970-71 
and 1971-72; 

(b) how many Labour Co-operatives 
had applied for handling contracts dur- 
ing the above period and were given 
licences; and* 

(c) whether the rates vary from place 
to place? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) The names 

are given below : — 

Goods and Parcel Handling contract : 

1. M/s Gauhati Mazdoor Coopera- 
tive Society Ltd. 



51 Written Answers AUGUST 22, 1972 Written Answers 52 


Coed handling contract: 

2. M/s. Kanrtip Labour Coopera- 
tive Society 

3. Shri S. R. Ghosh 

4. Shrimati Sudaf&a Devi 

5. Shri Abdul Malik Chowdhury 

6. Shri Sitaram Agarwala 

7. Shri Utpai Kumar Ghosh 

(b) The information is being collect- 
ed and will be placed on the Table of 
the Sabha. 

(c) Yes. 

Shortage of power in Assam 

3005. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Power shortage in 
Assam is likely to hamper to a great 
extent the rural electrification program- 
me in Assam in the Fifth Five Year 
Plan; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Gov- 
ernment in this regard? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
With the completion of all the power 
generation schemes aggregating to 440 
MW proposed for the Fifth Five Year 
Plan, the requirements of rural electri- 
fication and others in Assam, Meghalaya 
and Mizoram region are expected to 
be fully met. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Medium Irrigation Schemes in Assam 

3006. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of schemes complet- 
ed under Medium Irrigation Schemes 
hi Assam during # the last three years; 

(b) the number of ni^ium irriga- 
tion schemes for Assam approved for 
the remaining period of the Fourth 
Five Year Plan; and 

(c) the names of the Schemes? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
The Jamuna and Patradisha medium 
schemes have been completed. Work 


is continuing on the Sukla and Harguti 
medium projects. 

(b) and (c). The following two me- 
dium schemes have been approved so 
far in the Fourth Plan : 

(i) Lift irrigation scheme from Brah- 
maputra river in Kaliabore circle 
of Nowgong district 

(li) Longa scheme. 

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Railway Experts Visiting Foreign 
Countries to study the Working of 
Underground Railways 

3008. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the 
Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to 
state the composition of the team of 
experts from India which 19 visiting 
foreign countries in order to acquire 
know-how about the construction and 
running of Underground Railwav 
in Calcutta and the countries to be visi- 
ted by the team? 



Written Answers 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 


54 


J3 

niuiitYiuR v/r RAILWAYS 
{SHRI T. A. PAI): Composition of the 
expert team and countries visited in 
June /July 72 is as under 

A- Composition of the Team 

1. Leader — Chief Administrative 

Officer. 

2 . Member — Chief Electrical 

Engineer. 

3. ,, — Chief Engineer. 

4. ,, — Director, Finance. 

5 „ — Dy. Chief Operating 

Supdt. 

6. Dy. Chief Signal & 

Telecommunication 

Engineer. 

7. ,, — Dy. Chief Engineer. 

B. Countries visited. 

1 . U.S.S.R. 

2. Sweden. 

3 . U. K. 

4. France. 

5. Germany. 

6. Hungary. 

7 . Japan. 

Central Control on River Waters 

3009. SHRI C. K CHANDRA- 
PPAN : Will the Minister of 1 RRIGA- 
I ION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to 
bring river waters under Central Con- 
trol from August, 15 this year; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof, 
and 

(c) the reaction of the State Govern- 
ments to the proposal? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
to (c). As a result of increasing use 
of water resources of the country and 
the programmes of larger utilisation in 
the future, the need has been recognis- 
ed for evQlving a national water policy 
so as to ensure a continuous appraisal 
of the needs for water and the most 
beneficial and equitable allocation of 
available water for different uses in the 
interest of the Country as a whole. The 


various aspects involved in framing a 
national water policy including the legal 
considerations are under study. 

Extension of common market and Its 
effect on India’s Trade 

3010. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 
SHRI P. GANGADEB: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether on 8 th June, 1972 the 
Common Market took another step to 
extend its free trade and preference 
area to the likely disadvantage of non- 
linked countries including India, at 
Luxemburg; and 

(b) if so. Government's reaction 
thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (h). 
In the EEC Council meeting in Luxem- 
bourg which ended on 6 th June, 1972 r 
EEC’s relations with Mediterranean 
and non-candidate European Free Trade 
Area countries were discussed. 

It is understood that the negotiations 
are still under way between the EEC 
and a number of Mediterranean 
countries for the modification of the 
existing agreements with them taking 
into account the implications of the 
enlargement of the EEC from Six to 
Ten members. In so far as the non- 
candidalc EFT A countries are concern- 
ed, free trade area arrangements bet- 
ween them and EEC have already been 
agreed to. 

These developments re-emphasise the 
need for urgent solutions to our trade 
problems with the Six as well as the 
problems arising for us from the en- 
largement of the Community. The 
matter is being pursued in this regard. 

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Written Answers 


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Report of construction Plant 
and Machinery Committee 

3012. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Construction Plant 
and Machinery Committee set up to 


review and update the report of the 
First Committee has submitted its Re- 
port; 

(b) if so, the action taken on the re- 
commendations made in this Report; 
and 

(c) the action taken on the recom- 
mendations contained in the Report of 
the First Committee? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) The report of the committee has 
been received recently and is under exa- 
mination. It will take some time be- 
fore final decisions could be taken. 

(c) A statement indicating the actions 
taken is laid on the Table of the House 
f Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3470/ 
72.] 

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Written Answers 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers 


38 


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Action against Shri R. P. Goenka 

for tilesnl rale of raw Materials of 
M/s Asian Cables 

3014. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN 
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FORE- 
IGN TRAPE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are not tak- 
ing legal action against Shri R. P. 
Goenka while other Directors of Asian 
Cables are going to be prosecuted m 
the case arising out of illegal sale of 
raw materials obtained by the Com- 
pany under the Actual Users' Licence; 
and 

(b) if so, the reasons for excepting 
Shri Goenka? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
<SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) There are 
three cases against Asian Cables. In 
one case prosecution is being filed 
against all the Directors of the Com- 
pany, as recommended by the CBI 
The CBI reports in the other two cases 
are under examination of the CCI&E in 
consultation with CBI. 

(b) Does not arise 

Curb on Import of Foreign Films 

3015 SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state. 

(a) the total amount spent during the 
year 1970-71, 1971-72 and upto the 31st 
July, 1972 on the import of foreign 
films; 

(b) whether it has now been decid- 
ed to curb the import of foreign films: 
and 

(c) if so, whether the decision has 
since been implemented and if not, the 
reasons therefor? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The in- 
formation is as follows : — 

Value in Rs • lakhs 

1970—71 1971—72 
(upto ^ 

Cinomatorgaphic films 
exposed (where de- 
veloped or not) 36-68 23*83 

‘Figures beyond January 1972 are 


(b) No, Sir. Import of feature films 
has been canalised through the State 
Trading Corporation. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Spending of six lakh rupees by 

Government on Rajkot bye~eiectiott 

3016. SHRI LALJI BHAI: Will the 
Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 
pleased to state whether about six lakh 
rupees were spent by Government oil 
the recent Rajkot bye-election for Lok 
Sabha? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH 
CHAUDHARY): The information is 
being collected and will be placed on 
the Table of the House. 


Setting up of Rubber Factory in 
Tripura 

3017. SHRI BIREN DUTTA : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any scheme has been 
formulated by Government of Tripura 
to start a rubber factory there; and 

(b) if so, whether it will be in Private 
Sector or in Public Sector? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). 

Information is being collected and will 
be placed on the Table of the House. 

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AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 


60 


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“Chiken” industry in India 

3019. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of persons engaged 
in ‘Chiken’ industry in the country. 
State-wise; and 

(b) the total amount of foreign ex- 
change earned by this industry annual- 
ly and the encouragement given to this 
industry by Government? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The 
chiken industry is mostly located in Jind 
around Lucknow and Hardoi Districts 
of Uttar Pradesh. About 10,000 per- 
sons are engaged in this industry. 

(b) Separate figures of exports of 
chiken products are not available. Ex- 
port figures of embroidered goods 
which includes chiken products for 
the last six years are as follows: — 


Year 

(Rs. in 
lakhs) 

1 966-67 

39-09 

1967-68 

46.65 

1968-69 

• 54-73 

1969-70 

61.85 

1970-71 

- 85.45 

*971-72 

. 83.68 


(April— January 1971-72) 


The following steps are being taken 
to encourage chiken industry to popu- 
larise its products in foreign markets: — 

(i) The Handicrafts & Handlooras 
Exports Corporation has been 
doing special promotion of 
chiken embroidered products 
in foreign markets specially 
through SONA shops in New 
York and Paris. 

(ii) Private exporters are being 
encouraged to introduce these 
products in foreign markets. 

(iii) Chiken embroidered products 
have been included in “India 
Items” for exports to U.S.A. 
for which there is no quota res- 
triction; and 

(iv) Sales-cwm-study teams are sent 
abroad for promotion of handi- 
crafts items including chiken 
embroidered products. 

Award for best craftsman in 
“Chiken'’ (Silk) Industry 

3020. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have award- 
ed the best craftsmen in the “Chiken’’ 
(Silk) industry to give encouragement to 
this industry; 

(b) if so, the names of the persons: 
and 

(c) the names of the States that take 
keen interest in this industry? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) Uttar Pradesh. 

S.T.C. owned wig manufacturing 
Unit running in loss 

3021. SHRI VEKARIA: Will the 
Minister of FOREIGN TRADF be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether State Trading Corpora- 
tion-owned wig manufacturing unit has 
gone into loss; 

(b) whether it has diversified its pro- 
ducts; and 

(c) if so, the salient features of the 
diversification? 



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SRAVANA 3l t 1894 {SAKA) Written Answer*. 


62 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 

ministry of foreign trade 

(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). 

Yea, Sir. 

(c) The Wig India factory has gone 
into the production of artificial eye- 
lashes and footwear upper parts for ex- 
port, especially of a decorative variety. 

It is also proposed to set up a leather 
development unit with a view to utilising 
fully existing facilities. 

Fixing of floor prices for Hamfloom 
exports 

3022. SHRI R. V. BADE: Will the 
Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are intend- 
ing to fix floor prices for Handloom ex- 
ports; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Films exported to Bangladesh 

3023. SHRI R. N. BARMAN: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) the number of Bengali Films and 
Hindi films so far exported to Bangla- 
desh; 

(b) whether Government have so far 
made any assessment of the demand of 
Indian films in Bengali in Bangladesh; 

and 

(c) if so, the results thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). No 
Indian films have so far been exported 
to Bangladesh. The Trade Agreement 
between India and Bangladesh provides 
for exports of cinema films of the value 
of Rs. 15 lakhs to Bangladesh and for 
the import upto Rs. 15 lakhs of cinema 
films from Bangladesh. It has been ag- 
reed between the two Governments 
that trade in Cinema, films would be 
handled by the Indian Motion Pictures 
Export- Corporation and the Film Deve- 
lopment Corporation of Bangladesh. 
The two agencies are in touch with 
each other to settle arrangements for 
the trade in films. 

3—11 L.SS/72 


Wagon Shortage for Coal and 
Coke trades in Bombay Region 

3024. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Coal and Coke trade in 
Bombay region has been seriously hit 
by the shortage of Railway wagon; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide 
adequate number of wagons to the 
trade? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T A. PA1) : (a) and (b). There 

have been some complaints about the in- 
adequate supply ot wagons for move- 
ment of coal and coke to Bombay area. 
However, the movement of coal to Bom- 
bay region has been substantially more 
in the first six months of 1972 as com- 
pared to the corresponding period of last 
year and movement of coke has been 
kept at about the same level as m the 
previous year. Efforts are being made 
to improve the loading further. 

Strike by Cashew Workers in Kerala 

3025. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether thcie was a State-wide 
strike in Kerala of Cashew workers in 
the month of June this year; 

(b) if so, what were the demands put 
forward by them; and 

(c) whether any settlement has been 
reacted, if so, the broad features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c) The main demands of the 
striking workers related to payment of 
minimum rates of wages and D. A., issue 
of attendance cards and prowcdiucs for 
wcighmpnt. The jstrike was called off 
with the employers undertaking to pay 
agreed rates of wages and Dearness Al- 
lowance; issue attendance cards, and 
making weighment daily in accordance 
with the agreed procedures. 

Export of Iron Ore to Japan 

3026. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL 

REDDY : 

SHRI RAM PRAKASH: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 



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AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 64 


(a) whether Japan has agreed to im- 
port a good quantity of Iron-Ore from 
India; 

(b) if so, the quantity to be exported 
to Japan during 1972-73; and 

(c) the total quantity of Indian Iron- 
Ore exported to different countries dur- 
ing last three years, country-wise and the 
quantum of foreign exchange earned 
therefrom? 


Punjab State during each year from 1st 
November, 1966 to-date; 

(b) the number of Sub-Divisional 
Officers proposed to be sent back to 
Punjab State during th e year 1972; and 

(c) whether a copy of the principle 
guidelines being followed by the Central 
Government in sending back officers 
back to Punjab State, will be laid on the 
Table of the House ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) 18.63 million tons are expected to 
be shipped during 1972-73. 

(c) A statement is laid on the Table 
of the House. [Placed in Libraiy. See 
No. LT— 3471/72.] 

C.B.I. Inquiry against Companies 

regarding Blackmarkeling of Im- 
ported Copper and Polyethylene 

3027. SHRI C. K. CHANDR APPAN ■ 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some companies, includ- 
ing Indian Power Cables, Universal 
Cables, Oriental Cables etc. have been 
ordered to be prosecuted by the Central 
Bureau of Investigation for doing black- 
marketing in imported copper and poly- 
ethylene; and 

(b) if so, the results of the prosecu- 
tion? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Universal 
Cables and Oriental Power Cables and 
some other Companies are being prose- 
cuted in a court of law. The cases of 
Indian Cables Co. and some others are 
still under consideration, and case against 
one is still under investigation. 

(b) Cases put in court are still under 
trial. 


Names of the Sub-Divisional 
Officers transferred from 
Beas Dam 


3028. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYA- 
LANKAR: Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state: 


(a) the number of Sub-Divisional 
Officers transferred from Beas Project to 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N KUREEL): (a) 
The number of Sub-Divisional Officers 
transfered from Beas Project lo Punjab 
Slate from 1-L 1-1966 is given below, 


yearwise: — 


1966-67 

8 

1967-68 

21 

1968-69 

23 

1969-70 

l 

1970-71 

14 


(b) The Punjab Government has ask- 
ed lor a list of Sub-Divisional Officers 
who have completed 5 years service on 
the Pioiect and were desirous to go back. 
A list of 40 officers has accordingly 
been prepared. They could be released 
provided suitable substitutes in their 
place are provided by the Punjab Gov- 
ernment. 

(c) The repatriation of officers from 
the Project to the State Governments is 
generally done at the request of the con- 
cerned State Government/ Electricity 
Board with the approval of the Central 
Government. Request of individual offi- 
cers for repatriation is also done with 
the concurrence of the State Department 
and approval of the Central Govern- 
ment. 


Electrification of one Harijan 
Basti everyday 

3029. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYA- 
LANKAR: Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state; 

(a) whether it is proposed to electrify 
at least one Harijan Basti everyday dur- 
ing the 25th anniversary year of India’s 
Independence in the Union territories; 
and 

(b) whether Chandigarh Administra- 
tion has formulated any plan in respect 
of Harijan Bastis, if so, the salient fea- 
tures thereof ? 



Written Answers 


65 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SARA) Written Answers ^ 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 

ministry of irrigation and 

POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
All the State Government/ Union Terri- 
tory Administrations have been address- 
ed to draw up a programme of electrify- 
ing Harijan Bastis adjacent to villages Al- 
ready electrified at the rate of at-least 
one village a day during the Silver Jubi- 
lee year of India’s Independence. 

(b) Chandigarh has already achiev- 
ed cent per cent electrification. There is 
no area exclusively inhabited by Hari- 
jans in this Union Territory, 

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Procurement Price of Cotton In 
Punjab 

3031. SHRI ARVIND NETAM ’ Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Punjab Government have 
requested the Cotton Corporation of 
India to fix the procurement price for 
ihe next cotton crop ; and 

(b) if so the reaction of th e Como- 

ration thereto? ™ 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Cotton 
Corporation has not received any such 
request. 

(b) Does not arise. 


Financial Assistance for Rubber 
Cultivation in Kerala 

3032. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Kerala Government have 
requested the Centre for any financial 
assistance ior the cpltivation of rubber 
by the Plantation Corporation of Kerala; 
and 

(b) if so. the extent thereof and the 
reaction of Central Government thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Central assistance of Rs. 4.50 crores to 
the State Government of Kerala for tak- 
ing up rubber plantation of 15,000 acres 
during the Third Plan period has already 



Written An$wtn 


AUlGfUSt 22, 1972 


tVriffeh Answers 68 


67 

been released. Thi question of giving 
additional financial distance to the State 
Government during the Fourth Five 
Year Plan is under consideration. 

Corrupt Practice in Purchase of 
Cotton In Gujarat 

3033. SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether complaints have been re- 
ceived against corrupt practices em- 
ployed by some of the nominees of the 
Cotton Corporation of India ior pur- 
chase ol coiton in Gujarat ; ana 

(b) the action taken by Government 
on tnc complaints and the names ot no- 
minees against whom action has been 
taken ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

Implementations of Bhaguwan- 

tham Committee's Recommendations 

3034. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH 
RAO: 

SHRI SUKHDLO PRASAD 
VERMA: 

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to stale: 

(a) whether Bhagawantham Com- 
mittee’s recommendations which have 
already been accepted by Government 
have not been implemented so tar and 
consequently the Engineers of the Cen- 
tral Water and Power Commission de- 
monstrated beiore the office of the Irri- 
gation and Power Minister on 19th July, 
1972; 

(b) whether some Engineers of Cen- 

tral Water and Power Commission have 
left this Organisation as a result theie- 
of; and * 

(c) the steps taken by Government 
to implement the recommendations ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
and (c). Representatives of the Central 
Water and Power Commission (Class I) 
Engineers Association met the Union 
Minister of Irrigation and Power on 
19-7-1972 in connection with the recom- 
mendations of the Bhagawantham Com- 


mittee pertaining to their service condi- 
tions and career prospects such as up- 
g f, nd?tfon of certain posts benefits of Es- 
tablished Services, introduction of run- 
ning scales of pay etc. Although, these 
maticrs arc being further considered by 
this Ministry, it may be necessary to 
a* ait the recommendations of the Third 
Pay Commission and Government deci- 
sions thereon, 

(b) No. 

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69 


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Written Answer* 70 


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Recommendations of Indian Silk Dele- 
gation of 1971 

3037. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have receiv- 
ed some recommendations from the In- 
dian Silk Delegation of 1971 ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof 
and the recommendations accepted by 
Government? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes. Sir. 

(b) A statement is enclosed. 

Statement 

The Salient recommendation of the 
Indian Silk Delegation and Government’s 
decision on them are given below:— 



71 Written Answer* 


AUGUST 22, 1772 


Written An were 


IT 


Recommendations 


Government’s decision 


\ 0 The Central Silk Board should be 
provided with necessary organisa- 
tion ana resources for ensuring co- 
ordinated planning and develop- 
ment of silk exports on sound 
and stable basis. 

1 2) A comprehensive publicity drive 
should be undertaken for projecting 
the image of Indian silk in the 
world markets. 

(gl The Board should organise show- 
rooms and overseas offices exclusively 
for Indian silk goods in important 
markets. 


D v ersification of export items in- 
cluding export of raw silk and silk 
yarn- 

(5l Additional assistance against export 
of tasar and tasar mixed good*. 

V®) Sustained efforts should be made for 
imporving the quality of Indian raw 
silk and reducing its cost of proauc- 
tion. 

(7) Effective steps should be taken to 
increase production of tasar cocoons 
on oak plantation. 


This has not been accepted because 
Handloom Export Promotion Council'* 

is already handing export o* silk 
fabiica. 


Accepted. 


It has been accepted in principle that 
the Central Silk Board and Hand- 
loom Export Promotion Council 
should jointly organise showroom* 
abroad. 

Under Qonsideiatiori- 


Accepted- 


Accepted 


Accepted. 


Demand for “Cliiken” Embroidery 
Product 

3038. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a good demand 
all over the world for ''chiken” em- 
broidered products, such as kurta and 
saris; and 

(b) if so, the efforts of Government 
to popularise them in more countries? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The following steps are being 
taken to popularise chiken embroider- 
ed products in foreign countries. 


(i) The Handicrafts & Handlooms 
Exports Corporation has been 
doing special promotion of chi- 
ken embroidered products in 
foreign markets specially throu- 
gh SONA shops in New York 
and Pans ; 

(ii) Private exporters are being en- 
couraged to introduce these pro- 
ducts in foreign markets ; 

(iii) Chiken embroidered products 

have been included in “India 
Items’* for exports to U.S.A. for 
which there is no quota restric- 
tion ; and 

(iv) Sales-cum-study teams are sent 
abroad for promotion of handi- 
craft items including chiken akn- 
brotdeeed product 



n 


Written Antwers 


SRAVANA 31, 1894 {SAKA) Written Antwert T4 


NattosaUmtioB of Textile MBs 

3039. SHRI N. K. SANGHI: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government of Maha- 
rashtra have asked the Central Govern- 
ment to nationalise the textile mills that 
are presently being run by the State 
Governments ; 

(b) if so, the number of such mills 
and whether these are running at profit; 
aad 

(c) whether the Central Govern- 
ment have considered the proposal of 
the State Government and if so, the 
decision taken in this regard ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (d). 
The information is being collected and 
would be placed on the table of the 
House. 

Manufacture of Silk la Sooth 

3042. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA- 
RIEF: Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to s'ate the varie- 
ties of silk manufactured in Southern 
India ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : Sarees, scar- 
ves/ stoles, dress materials including 
brocades, chiffon, georgette, etc. and 
furnishing fabrics are the popular varie- 
ties manufactured in Southern India. 

Powerloom Inquiry Committee 


(b) and (c). Do not arise. 


Expansion of Election Commission 

3040. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MI- 
SHRA : Will the Minister of LAW 
AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are con- 
templating to expand the Election 
Commission ; and 

(b) if so, the size of the expanded 
Commission ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH CHAU- 
DHARY) ; (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Export of Woollen Cloth 

3041. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) the number and names of wool- 
len mills in India which are exporting 
woollen cloth ; 

(b) the names of the countries to 
whom the woollen cloth is exported ; 

(c) the quantity in terms of length 
of woollen cloth exported by each mill 
during 1969-70. 1970-71 and 1971-72; 

and 

(d) the foreign exchange earned? 


3043. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERM A: Will the Minister of FO- 
REIGN TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Powerloom Inquiry 
Committee has since submitted its re- 
port ; and 

Xb) if so, the main recommenda- 
tions thereof and Government’s reac- 
tion thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Presumably, the reference is to the 
Working Gioup set up, under the chair- 
manship of the Textile Commissioner, 
on the 24th of July, 1972, to make a 
quick assessment of the immediate pro- 
blems faced by the powerloom and 
handloom weavers i,n the various States 
and ^uggc:t measures for 'he smooth 
functioning of the two sectors. The 
Working Group is expected to submit 
its report by the end of October, 1972. 

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95 Written Answer! 


AUQUST 22, 1972 


Written Answer* 9$ 


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(n) sreq q£r iMr i 

Setting up of Rayon Factory in Cachar 

3046. SHRIMAT1 JYOTSNA CHA- 
NDA: Will the Minister of FO- 
REIGN TRADE be pleased to state 
whether Government propose to estab- 
lish a Rayon Factory in Cachar in view 
of the raw materials being easily avail- 
able in that region? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : No. Sir. 

sram 5fwrr?nl fan nrsrrTt 
nftrnr s h^t‘ 

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nt» nfa) ; [^) 3tTnPT Jr srrcrm iw- 
erpr fan % nrs w sit i i 

(n) ss?t ?r$f i 

Run-off-Mine Manganese Ore Trading 
by MMTC 

3048. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK: Will the Minister of FOR- 
EIGN TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a proposal for 
Minerals and Meials Trading Corpora- 
tion to enter into run-off-mme manga- 
nese ore trading ; and 

(b) if so. the advantages thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 
MMTC propose to buy manganese ore 
directly from the mine-owners in ac- 
ceptable forms and blend it. if neces- 
sary, before exports. 

(b) The proposed arrangement aims 
at establishing direct relationship bet- 
ween MMTC and mine owners thereby 
imparting stability to the mining indus- 
try and increase production of manga- 
nese ore. 

Repair of Tecsta Bridge 

3049. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 
DHURY: Will the Minister of RAILr 
WAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Indian Engineers have 
repaired the Teesta Bridge, which was 
destroyed by the retreating Pakistani 
forces and have reopened it to traffic ; 
and 

(b) if so, the cost at which the 
bridge was got repaired? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes. 

(b) Rs. 15.85 lakhs approximately, 

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Written Answers SRAVANA 31 
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Indian Delegation to Japan and Hong- 
kong to pursuade the Toy Manufac- 
turers for shifting of industries to India 

3052. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be please to state: 

(a) whether the India Investment 
Centre recently sponsored a delegation 
to Japan, Hongkong and Singapore in 
order to pursuade toy manufacturers of 
these countries to shift their units to 
India where wages are lower ; 

(b) if so, whether Government’s 
approval was sought and obtained for 
sending such a mission; 

(c) whether the mission was success- 
ful; and 

(d) the reaction of indigenous toy 
manufacturers to this move? 

w THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (d). 


||94 (SAKA) Written Answers 7® 

Indian Investment Centre were contra- 
cted to undertake a Study of India’s ex- 
pprt potential pf toys and decorations, 
and with the approval of Government 
of India a survey team was deputed 
to Japan, Hongkpng and Singapore 
with the purpose of studying the con- 
ditions and pin-pointing the major fac- 
tors that enabled these countries to em- 
erge as leading toy manufacturers. 
The team was neither empowered to 
nor did it negotiate with toy manufac- 
turers regarding shifting their units to 
India ; the team was a fact finding re- 
search mission. Its preliminary findings 
have been made known to the Indian 
Toy Manufacturers Association who 
are evincing keen interest in exploring 
possibilities to enter the international 
trade. 


Guarantee for Investments in Joint 
Venture Abroad 

3053. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAP- 
PAN : Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have pre- 
pared a foreign investment guarantee 
scheme for underwriting risk in setting 
up joint ventures abroad; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir, 

(b) Does not arise. 

Liberalisation of Policy for Investments 
in Asian Countries 

3054. SHRI K.i BALADHANDA- 
YUTHAM : 

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have deci- 
ded to liberalise policy towards Indian 
Investments in Asian countries; and 

(b) if so, in what way the policy is 
to be liberalised ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). 
The Government encourages Indian en- 
trepreneurs in setting up industrial joint 
ventures in all the countries. The policy 
of the Government in this regard is 



T# W r it ten Answers 


AUGUST 22, 19 72 


Written Answers tO> 


embodied in the genaral guidelines pres- 
cribed for setting up such ventures 
abroad, a statement w which is enclos- 
ed. 


Statement 

GENERAL GUIDELINES GOVERN- 
ING INDIAN PARTICIPATION IN 
JOINT OVERSEAS INDUSTRIAL 
VENTURES 

(i) Normally minority participation 
only by Indian parties is allowed. The 
intention is that Indian parties should 
not insist on majority holdings abroad, 
but if the foreign party and the foreign 
Government are willing to accept majo- 
rity Indian participation, there would 
be no objection. Government favours as- 
sociation of local parties in foreign 
countries; also local development banks, 
financial institutions and local Govern- 
ments wherever feasible. 

(ii) No cash remittance will be allo- 
wed except small amount required in 
connection with preliminary expenses 
for setting up the Company abroad. 

(iii) ’ Indian participation, should be 
in the form of indigenous machinery, 
equipment, technical know-how etc. re- 
quired for the new venture. Value of 
■tructurals, steel items, construction 
materials, components etc., are not al- 
lowed to be capitalised. However, 
where the value of machinery etc. falls 
short to make up the necessary reaso- 
nable equity and there is need to retain 
Indian equity holding at a level higher 
than what is obtainable through export 
of capital goods alone, there will be no 
bar to consider such cases on merits 
for permission to include structural^ 
steel items and construction materials 
(but not components), to the extent these 
are required for the particular project 
against Indian equity. 

(iv) Machinery etc. exported should 
be of Indian make; no second-hand or 
reconditioned machinery would be al- 
lowed for export against Indian invest- 
ment. 

(v) Normal import replenishments, as 
available to exporters under the import 
policy for registered exporters, will be 
allowed on exports against equity capi- 
taL 

(vi) Cash assistance, if otherwise ad- 
missible, will also be allowed on ex- 
ports of machinery and equipment aga- 
inst Indian equity subject, however, to 
a ceiling of 10% f. o. b. value. 


(vii) Indian industrialists should as 
far as practicable propose a tum-key 
job, as this will lighten the responsibili- 
ties of the foreign investor. 

(viii) Indian parties should as far as 
possible provide in their agreements 
with the foreign parties for training fa- 
cilities in India to nationals of the cou- 
ntry of investment. 

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% a^ft Jf spaia % n?af aft jaar ir 1972 
% afa a?ftft if naia % a?a faaft ?anTf*fa 



II Written Answers SRAVANA 31 

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^Ti?T ft TT if, 220 *0 gfa ffta*a «Tf I 
fa**? if, TlTd gi*ft aft cTPT^lff rifl'd' 
fcft ^ f^'T *ran g*an* Jr a ana ar*ft 
ftnrra n^frnft *rf*rf*raft aft grpa geg 
if =a*k.f*ar aft | 1 

faftsft amraf aft g*an* *gm wag 
arfsrgrr* h am 

3057 . «ft fHtng JTSTR : 

«ft fJHo JTrft : 

W’rr firtor asnar* jf^V ff ggrft aft' fr<rr 

atfg far : 

(v) wr *r*an* % frrr*i*fta fatgft 
*nrtff aft sraft aifggn* if %ft gagfma 
*ftt JR?rnr |; aft* 

(v) arf? 5 f,at?aaftg*ggTa w( ? 


, 1894 (SAXA) Written Amswers 82 ' 

Whr wmm: *fcmw w weft («ftq* 
aft® ami) : (a?) aft* {*r).*nra a*atf* 
sm gr*a f*aa fa%# smrfnf aft arfaan* 
iffaniarTftarftaftfsmanRTaT^t i mrrfa, 
f*mr fa^ifV 

aft arfsrarn: if %ft % f?rar ^**r ^rranr ft 
srrer ar«rrftsir an inra antft fa’anTTsfya' 

t ( 

*m* mar afraftaRi if afaama 

3058 . «ft HJRTTf TOR : *fT fmnt 

aft* f*aaa iraft nf antft aft- far a^T far : 

far) anr n*an* srRrtffta armr ^rm* 
afarfrai^i'aft if arfcTHT afwa anft % 
farftl fl*cTPT a* fan* ar* *ft | ; 

(*r) aar g*an* rftfa^if % mfta 
aaala if sar-afTfiamr % afftV aft 
sfaf aft 35^r ar^ft % farftf arrra a* ift 
farr* ar* *ft | <rrfar aft* aftrar w’a aft 
arft arr ?r% ; aft* 

(a) afa fr, at cmra«ft aaa-^aa aTa 
aar a* aft* ^a% ft aar ftraa fara aa 

i ? 

fftarf aft* fftaTO ftaraa ft saftft ( ftt 
aaram f*t^) : far) aftai a*arr* ft 
tjfq *ri' faarraKaar fttararaff ft arrfaa 
ar*ft ft. fftrr zftwrr arrifta fr*r *aff fa 
ft farr ftta aa) a* aanra* afaftt-sRi arr 
SR-rTia’TaT t i • 

; 3 «r* aftar ar*arr* ara 1 ft foR 3 *- 
*>n ar*ftf 3trf | far ftratj* fnft ft 
aiarrar atfegr asr*)' ftftf aft Fa^rf 
ft fatr aaara* afafttarar gig* 

| aft* gs a srfcr ^r*an* n*r a*arfaa 
awn* afaftfaRT an fta ft ft) f?r^rf 
aft saa*ar a*ft ft ftrq ftafttn faar arrar 1 
^rf?r? i 



83 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 21, 1972 


Written Answers $4 


faffr *rc^rr * #fcr *v*ix sm 
JKcTi'farT q^WPTC qf(?ftiHTT % sfa fW«T 
sr«re fw | p3fg% aM?r ^ ^ 

spT 3i'tr w 1%* Jr t simefa ^tt 

fffalfa'T | ^ if? fadsr ^ VTETiT *R 
ftvtrr *rcr | far w^r sfcr ^ 3 t1t 
f^ir if, 5i?r fa ^rrt fterfrr ir f\ 
5PT SHTf 3TT?Ti t, ^ fWf srorrsf'i' qr 
\v spik qfqr i qfrqlnHT qi 
Twff % gr«r fa^R fawsr fnrtrr tct | 
sftr ^ snre -nrt v. fvnT sp^ 
fqrcr 5TT i ^ft fa tffaf TWff qft ht^t 
^f I 

(^) aftr (>t) qfaffa;rT faftj if 
sr^rrfwcr ^ ^cr qff «r?w st^pt 
faqnrgtq ^rfr 1 1 

Restrictions on Export of Rose-wood 

3059. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have impo- 
sed any restrictions on export of Rose- 
wood; 


(b) if so, the reasons, 'therefor, and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
oonsider lifting the restrictions? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): ta) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) is 
a slow growing species. The export is 
regulated within a limited ceiling fixed 
for each year so as to prevent depletion 
and ultimate extinction of this species 
keeping in view also the growing do- 
mestic demand of the veneering and 
plywood industries. 

(c) No, Sir. 

Special Railway Saloons used by 
Governors 

3060. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarred Question No. 1273 on the 
28th March, 1972 regarding the special 
Railway saloons for Governors and 
state the number of occasions (date- 
wise) when the special Railway Saloons 
were used by the concerned Governors 
during the years 1969, 1970 and 1971 ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : A statement is 
laid on the table. 


Statement 


Name of Governor 


Occasions of utilisation of saloons 

(aatewise) 


i 

1969 

1970 

1971 


No. of Dates 

occa- 
sions 

No. of Dates 

occa- 
sions 

No. of Dates 
occa- 
sions 

Governor of Madhya 

« 

6 

2,/l>I3/2> 
27/2.31/5. 1 8 / 

8 2 / 2 , 12/a, , 4 / 
4 , 7 / 7 , I 2 /II, 

11 9 / 1 . 7 / 3 . 20 / 3 , 

Pradesh. 


10 / 4 , , 3 / 6 , 


i 

I& 9 /l 2 . 

18 / 11 , 17 / 
ii Sc 94 / 12 . 

15 / 7 . «9/8, 
24/9. 23 / 10 , 
21/11 ,& 26/12 

Governor of West 
Bengal. 

2 

4/9 & , 7/11 

6 6 / 2 , 30 / 5 , 7 / 6 , 
17 / 6 . 19/6 & 

7 / 10 . 

2 28/7 & i8/3. 

Governor of Orissa 

2 

19/6 & 28/9 

4 16 / 5 , 16 / 6 , 19 / 7 , 
& , 5 / 11 . 

a 12/4 & 21 / 9 . 




g5 Written Answers SRAVANA 31, 1854 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 


Popidtttefkm of "HoUday Homes" 

3061. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 
Will ihe Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarrcd Question No. 6358 on 16*h 
May, 1972 regarding the procedure for 
allotment of accommodation in Holi- 
day Homes for Railway Employees and 
state : 

(a) the number of suites in each 
Holiday Home; 

(br) number of maximum days for 
which suites are given to Railway Em- 
ployees and other Central Government 
employees; 


(c> whether Railway Employees are 
making full use of the Holiday Homes; 
and 

(d) if not, the steps being taken to 
popularise the Holiday Homes ? 


THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). A state- 
ment is attached. 

(c) Yes, except during the slack sea- 
son. 

(d) Does not arise. 


Statement 


No. of 


SI. 

No. 

Hoiulav Home .it 

suites 
in each 
Holiday 
Home 

No. of Maximum days 

fer which suites nre oivou to 
Railway cmolnvcvs and 
other Central Cover inner, t 
employees* 

i 

2 

3 

4 

i 

Lon aval a .... 

• 4 

7 days 

2 

MiUiCMTI .... 

14 Rooms 

7 days 

3 

Igatpuri .... 

G 

[5 days 

4 

Puri (Eastern Rly.) 

10 

7 nays 

r> 

Baidyanalh Dhein 

4 

10 days p2i davj-off season) 

6 

Rajgir 

3 

8 days 

(21 days-ofT season). 

7 

Mu'Soric (Hastcm Rly). 

7 

15 (lavs in May &: June — other- 
wise' 21 days. 

8 

Simla ..... 

• 15 

10 days 

9 

Mu^orie (Northern Railway) 

7 

jo nays 

IO 

Baiog ..... 

4 

10 clays 

n 

Siinarpir .... 

8 

10 days 

12 

Pnlialgam .... 

7 

10 days 

13 

Shilnng .... 

4 

3 days 

*4 

Madurai .... 

5 # 

10 days 

15 

Courtallam .... 

3 

to days 

16 

Mysore .... 

2 

10 days 

17 

Coonoor ... 

2 

10 days 

18 

Ranchi .... 

. 18 

30 days 

19 

Puri (S. E. Rly ) . 

4 

7 days 

20 

Bandra .... 

. 10 

15 days 


* Accommodation in these Holiday Homes are made available to other Centra! 
Government employees, if accommodation is available after meeting the requiiements 
of the Railway employees. 


“87 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 88 


Hurd Engineering Swpvey in Madhya 
Pradesh 

3062. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Rural Engineering 
Survey has conducted surveys in some 
Districts of Madhya Pradesh; and 

(b) if so, the names of the Districts 
and the results of the surveys ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : 
(a) and (b). The Government of Ma- 
dhya Pradeh have sanctioned the scheme 
for Rural Engineering Surveys in March, 
1972. The Survey are proposed to be 
conducted in the district of Betul. The 
expenditure on the scheme will be met 
from cent per cent assistance from the 
Central Government. A grant-in-aid 
of Rs. 6,19,000 has already been, sanc- 
tioned for the years 1971-72 and 1972- 
73. 

The Agricultural Graduates have al- 
ready been trained for conducting sur- 
veys. The Engineering Graduates are 
under training at Betul and the training 
is likely to be over shortly. 

The surveys will be taken up as soon 
as the training of Engineering Gradu- 
ates is completed. 

Restoration of Railway Connection bet- 
ween Sahebpur Kama! Jn. and Monghyr 
Ghat (North Eastern Railway) 

3063. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 

SHRI SHIV SHANKER PRA- 
SAD YADAV : 

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the great inconvenience caused to the 
people due to non-restoration of the 
Four mile railway connection between 
Sahebpur Kamal Junction and Monghyr 
Ghat in the North Eastern Railway; and 

(b) if so, the steps being taken to res- 
tore the connection at an early date ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) ; (a) Yes. 

(b) The question of restoration of rail- 
way line between Sahebpur Kamal Jun- 
ction and Monghyr Ghat is under exa- 
mination. 


Demand for Indian Suu-gfauscc fta 
Sudan, Mauritius and Nigeria 

3065. SHRI DHARMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the Minister of 
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a good demand 
for Indian Sun-glasses in Sudan, Mau- 
ritius and Nigeria; and 

(b) the names of other countries which 
are importing Indian Sun-glasses and 
the amount of foreign exchange earned 
annually from these countries ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No. Sfr. 

(b) No exports of Sun-glasses to other 
countries have so tar taken place and 
consequently no foreign exchange earned. 

Scope of Expanding Trade with 
Nepal, Afghanistan, Ceylon and 
South East Asian countries 

3066. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: 
Will Ihe Minister of FOREIGN TRA- 
DE be pleased to slate . 

(a) whether there is considerable 
scope for expanding commercial and 
economic links with Nepal, Afghanistan, 
Ceylon and other South East Asian 
countries; and 

(b) if so, whether any steps are being 
taken to expand trade and economic 
relations with these countftes? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Government have taken a number 
of steps to expand trade and economic 
relations with the South East Asian 
countries. Some of the important steps 
are given below : 

(i) Trade Agreement/Trade Agre- 
ements have been concluded with a nu- 
mber of countries. 

(ii) Joint Commissions /Joint Com- 
mittees have been set up in respect of 
some of the countries to strengthen 
trade and economic relations. Promising 
areas for expansion of mutual trade 
and industrial collaboration are identi- 
fied at the joint meetings of these bo- 
dies. 



Written Answers 


SRAVANA 31. 1«94 (JSAKA) Written Answers 


n 




(jii) in some cases, loans and defer- 
>ied payment facilities are extended to 
enable the concerned countries to pur- 
chase Indian goods. 

(iv) Trade Delegation are sent and in- 
vited for discussing trade matters of 
mutual interest. 

(v) Visual commercial publicity and 
trade propaganda is conducted through 

exhibitions and displays. 

(vi) Indian parties are encouraged to 
*et up industrial ventures in these coun- 
tries. 

(vii) The Indian Institute of Foreign 
Trade set up by Government, conducts 
research on a continuing basis for im- 
proving the export procedures and tech- 
niques. 

(viii) Individual cases of fraudulant 
trade practices brought to the notice of 
Government are enquired into and re- 
medial action taken by Government. 

Expert Committee’s Report on Govern- 
ment run Textile Mills 

3067. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to stated : 

(a) whether the Expert Committee 
set up by Government to go into the 
working of the Government-run textile 
mills has submitted its report; 

(b) if so, the main recommendations 
made by the Committee; and 

(c) the decisions taken thereon ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The report submitted by 
the Committee is still under considera- 
tion and it will be premature to disclose 
Us contents at this stage. 

Development of Rubber Plantation in 
Andamans and Nicobar Islands 

3068. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there is a considerable 
scope for the development of rubber 
plantation in Andamans and Nicobar 
group of Islands; and 

(b) if so, what steps have been taken 
for the development of rubber planta- 
tion in these islands ? 


thedeputt minister in the 

0F FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

„ PiJ ot project of 203 hectares of 
Rubber Plantation established in South 
Andamans in 1965-66 and another sche- 
me sanctioned in 1967 for planting 
m Katchal Island (of 
which 3 44 hectares have been planted 

p'ihhfr i 968 '. 71) TN are danced by the 
Rubber Board. Demonstration plots of 
2 hectares each established in three Is - 
a "?V n i? 7 ^' -Another scheme prepa- 
red by Forest Department for 7,490 
hectares is under examination. These 
have awakened considerable interest in 
rubber cultivation in the Islands. A 
proposal to set up a Plantation Cor- 
poration for concentrated development 
ot plantation crops (including rubber 
evelopment) in the Andaman and 
Nicobar Islands is under consideration 
of Government of India in the Ministry 
of Agriculture. J 


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oar# fR’rr sfihr f#» : 

(*)' wr ifarn hr# % 3th. 

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r$r | ? 

(«ft Zfo qTf) : (*) 

{*) ^for inrnfi *r $ ah 

oororer st w i 

tthR wi^pttT qri vtr ttftr- 

fiwf vt shr ami 

3070. «To 5TWFTiTT*rn : qqr 

hr tr§ srrff # frr *hr fo : 

fa) wr q>r famr oho 

5*r^«rT ? r qinr sforef % it ofjsprfl 

ofafosrf qfj oh# *r aft* 



Written AnsM* AUOUST 22, 1972 Writ** Atowtn 9Z 


(«) sfe V, Ira srarw ^ ijto 
w f affc ^ bto?si it tot frofa 
fwr tot t ? 

fcr ifsft («ft ?t» «?• Iff) : (*) 
atk (tsT) ^ITOFT 5TOTOT TO ^TR 5%- 

3Trf% srtr to RSTOf) gfafaRf ^ ^tVrir 
to *lf froro ^ I i 
ft* Tif,, tW TOfi t'TTTOH afk *flR% 

TO 3TO ^l*fi ?)?Tf rfl 5% % Bll'TS'T 

it b^tot'i TifTrfa^ff, *to$t tt^'t 
afk irfpji sfafrof ^ tori? totA 

I * 

qfirau % TTOtra foftTOI * k=T 
^RTOfrof to **rnft fron rett 

3071. too wforraw <rt* : 

sft 3ffTOT TOR RTTO : 

tot ^R rri q? 5Terf%*A fn : 

($) R^TOT % TcTTOR fTOflRR 

it ^ TOfsntl if, fa~4 tfl*r tot 
im ^t\ to vf) ^r foq r 
»raf |; 

(^) ?B it TOT Rlfa | afk 
*«T TOt TO fTOI Viiq-iTC; 

(it). TOT tr|| iff f» TORltl f. ^ 
sft^ giR t! it’Ti % to? *<fi =*iF8iFft ?; 
afk 

(*r) irft ?r, rfi rto?I tout fa-TOf) 

%r *r?ft (*ft eto ire mf) : (r) R 
(*r) totti TOJ3t to to ^ | rV 
BRT-*TSR TO TOTOfl I 

Extension of Indo-U.K. existing Trade 
arrangements upto 1975 

3072. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of 
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) the reaction of the U.K. Govern- 
ment to the request made by Govern- 


ment of India for the continua- 
nce of the existing trade arrangements 
upto 1975; 

(b) whether any discussion in this 
regard has taken place between the Go- 
vernment of India and the Government 
of U. K.; and 

(c) if so, the outcome thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). In 
the aid memorie handed over by us to 
the British Government on 21st Febru- 
aiy 1972 on the safeguard measures ne- 
eded for India’s exports following UK’s 
membership of the Community we have 
requested that the piesent trading ar- 
rangements in UK for principal items 
of India’s exports should be continued 
as an interim measure till satisfactory 
solutions to their trade problems are 
iound. We also urged m the aide me- 
mo ric for early consultations in respect 
of the commodities for which problems 
would arise follbwing the enlargement 
of the Community. The British Gov- 
ernment in their reply ,ntcr aha 
agreed for discussions with us. 
Following this, discussions took place 
in July, 1972 between the two sides. 
These discussions would be resumed in 
September, 1972. 

Rural electrification in Bihar 

3073. SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD 
MANDAL : Will the Minister of 
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas- 
ed to state: 

(a) the time by which all the villages 
in Bihar State are likely to be electri- 
fied: and 

(b) the number of villages, District- 
wise which are likely to be electrified 
during the current year ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : 
(a) About 8,400 villages in Bihar have 
been electrified as on 30-6-72. The 

time by which all the villages in Bihar 
will be electrified would depend upon 
the resources available in the Fifth and 
subsequent Plans. 

(b) It is programmed to electrify 
1,750 villages in Bihar during 1972-73. 
District-wise details are given as under : 

Patna ..... 150 

Gaya ..... 200 

Shahabad ..... 200 



33 Written Answers 


SRAVANAi 

Saran • . 

• 

■ 

• 

• 

125 

Champaran 

• 

• 

• 


60 

Muzaffarpur 

* 


■ 


250 

Dharbanga 

• 

• 

• 

• 

165 

Monghyer 

• 

• 

• 

• 

250 

Bhagalpur 

• 


• 

11 

IOO 

Shanthal Parganas 


m 


30 

Purnea ■ 

• 




70 

Saharsa 

* 




50 

Palamau . 

• 




40 

Hazaribagh 





25 

Dhanabad 

• 




IO 

Singhbhum 

• 




IO 

Ranchi • 

- 




15 



Total 


1,750 

Introduction 

of Rajdhani Express from 


Delhi to Madras 

3074. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to slate : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to 
have a Rajdham Express from Delhi to 
Madras; and 

(b) if so, when it is likely to materia- 
lise ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) No such pro- 
posal is under consideration at present. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Amendment of Bonus Act to include 
Railway Employees 


1S94 (SAKA) WritUn At suers 94 

Uniformity in Electricity Rniee 

3076. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the question of uniform 
electricity rates in the country was dis- 
eased at the Chief Ministers’ Confer- 
ence, and 

(b) if not, when this is likely to be 
discussed? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER ( SjHRI B. IN. KUREEL): 
(a) and (b). The question of bringing 
about uniform electricity tariffs in the 
country has been engaging the attention 
of the Government. The cost of electri- 
city depends upon various factors such 
as source of supply, extent of transmis- 
sion and distribution systems, capital 
cost incurred, load characteristics and 
also other local conditions. The State 
Electricity Boards are empowered to 
frame their own tariffs for power sup- 
ply to their consumers such that they 
shall not as far as practicable carry on 
their business at a loss. There was no 
Conference of Chief Ministers held on 
this subject, but this was discussed at 
the Conference of the Chairman of the 
State Electricity Boards held on 10th 
and 11th May, 1972. The Conference 
agreed that the States will take suit- 
able action to adjust the tariff rates so 
that the disparity between the rates of 
the same categories of consumers in the 
States of the sa"*'* region is reduced. 
Thus efforts arc ueing made to bring 
about uniformity in tariffs on a regional 
basis. 

Crisis in Cashew industry in Kerala 

3077. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: 


3075. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERM A: 

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state the reaction of Govern- 
ment to the demand made by the Fede- 
ration of Railway Employees to amend 
the Bonus Act to include the Railway 
employees also therein ? 

THE MINISTER; OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : The position has 
been clarified by the Minister for La- 
bour & Rehabilitation in his reply to 
Starred Question No. 64 in the Lok 
Sabha on 3rd August, 1972. 

* 4 — 11 L .S. S./72 


SHRIMATI BHARGAVI 
THANKAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) the assistance sought by Gov- 
i ernment of Kerala to solve the crisis in 
j* Cashew Industry in the State ; and 

| (b) the assistance made available to 

I the State in this regard ? 

il the deputy minister in the 

^MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
l (SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
In May, 1971 Kerala Government 



Written Anstiih 


Written Animth 96 


AUGUST 22. HU 


sought a grant of Its. 1.5 events and 
also, a loan of the fame value to take 
oy0f 15 clqsedcasllew factories. The 
Request of the Kerajk Government was 
considered in consultation with them 
and the State has line© been provided 
with a loan of fts. 20 lakhs by the Cen- 
tral Government. Further, the Kerala 
State Cashew Development Corporation 
has also been offered a loan of Rs. 20 
lakhs, by the Cashew Corporation of 
India. 

Kerala Government’s request to reim- 
burse expenditure regarding retted 
husks 

3078. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the request to reimburse 
the expenditure incurred by Govern- 
ment of Kerala consequent on the in- 
troduction of Price Control on retted 
husks has been granted ; and 

(b) if not, the present stage of the 
request ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) The Kerala Government have 
been advised to adjust the expenditure 
against the non-Plan assistance made 
available to the State. 

3079- Tfo 3WT3 : «PTr 

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S^PT ft &T % fotfi 5fi«ft 

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aftr 

(*t) ?r, eft «w 5FP ? 

fcr »nft €to qo RTf)| : (qr) 
i»V gR aftr faesrl % 5ft# 3rr?t 
cf)*T 5F«rffi fa«r ’Rft’ i 3ftr qft-ig-R mr 

qTTRTFft % «3^r 5ft EFT 5RTIT1 fS5?T 

^SRTT | 3<V5 ^5F SRFTT VI 5HWF % 
qfttft *5T ft*T TT5RET |l 

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Wagon shortage hi Orlasa 

3080. SHRI OIRIDHAR GOMAN- 
GO: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the shortage of Railway 
wagons is creating great probletns in 
the Orissa State; 

(b) whether his Ministry has not 
met in full the demands of the State for 
the supply of Railway wagons ; and 

(c) if so, the steps being taken by 
Government to meet the shortage of 
wagons ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) There has been 
no report from any industry located in 
Orissa State about serious disruption in 
their production due to wagon shortage 
nor any serious distress reported from 
any consumer for wagons. 

(b) Demands for wagons have been 
met satisfactorily. Some temporary diffi- 
culties might have been felt for short 
availability of wagons for short duration 
but special assistance was given when- 
ever such difficulties were brought to 
the notice of the Railways. Temporary 
shortfalls were on account of heavy 
immobilisation of wagons in the Eas- 
tern sector due to various anti-social 
activities and slow release in important 
terminals and also due to temporary 
dislocations due to breaches etc. 

<ji 

(c) Efforts are continuously being 
made to step up wagon supplies to 
meet all demand currently. The co- 
operation of the State Governments and 
local bodies has also been sought to ex- 
pedite release of loaded wagons to make 
more wagons available. Steps have also 
been taken to expedite delivery of the 
new wagons under order and to place 
order for more wagons. 

Dum Dum as Free Trade Zone 

3081. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA. 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the centre is considering 
a proposal to declare Dum Dum afid 
the adjoining Salt lake aita, as ‘Fite 
Trade Zone’ ; and 

(b) if 46, the reasons therefor? 



SRAVANA 3l', 1894 (JSAKA) Written Answers 


Written Answers 


98 


the deputy minister in the 
ministry of foreion trade 

(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. 
(b) Does not arise. 

Unrestricted Import of Dry and fresh 
Fruits from Afghanistan 

3082. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 


Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Union Government 
have decided to allow unrestricted im- 
ports of dry and fresh fruits from Af- 
ghanistan ; and 

(b) if so, whether trade agreement 
for 1972-73 signed in February bet- 
ween India and Afghanistan has been 
modified ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) The 
Trade Arrangement between India and 
Afghanistan signed in New Delhi on 
February 20, 1972 provides for imports 
of dry and fresh fruits from Afghanis- 
tan to be counter balanced by exports 
of specified commodities from India. 
A copy of the Trade Arrangement is 
available in the Parliament Library. 

(b) The Trade Arrangement has not 
been modified but as was stated in re- 
ply to Starred Question No. 958 on 
the 23rd of May, 1972, there were 
talks between officials of India and Af- 
ghanistan with a view to explain the 
provisions of a Public Notice issued on 
March 20, 1972 in regard to imports 
from and exports to Afghanistan. Dur- 
ing the discussions, certain difficulties 
were brought to the attention of the 
Indian side. 


In order to overcome these difficul- 
ties, a fresh Public Notice was issued 
on June 30, 1972 in supersession of the 
earlier Public Notice. 


the Hirakud Project in Keonjhar Dis- 
trict over the Baitarani river are pro- 
posed to be treated by the Central Gov- 
ernment on a priority basis; 

(b) whether Central Government 
have sanctioned any amount for the 
projects; and 

* (c) if so, the total amount sanction- 
ed? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
to (c). The Rengali dam on the Brah- 
mani and Bhimkund dam on the Bai- 
tami have been included in the list of 
priority flood control schemes of 
Orissa for which the Centre has agreed 
to provide special assistance during the 
last two years of the current plan with 
a ceiling of Rs. 10 crores. The release 
of assistance is to be made after the 
schemes arc approved and the pro- 
gramme of work is finalised. The Ren- 
gali project Report has recently been 
received at the Centre for scrutiny and 
the Bhimkund project is expected to be 
finalised by the State Government by 
the end of September, 1972. 

Increase in quota for Goods under 

Australia’s preferential Tariff Scheme 

3084. SHRI P. GANGADEB: 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether an Indian trade delega- 
tion to Australia has asked the Australian 
Government to increase quotas for goods 
under Australia’s preferential tariff 
scheme for less developed countries ; 

(b) whether the delegation also held 
tentative talks with the Australian Wool 
Commission on the possibility of incr- 
easing Australia’s greasy wool exports 
to India ; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of the Austra- 
lian Government thereto? 


Amount sanctioned for Flood Control 
aspects of the Erangali Project and 
Hirakud Project 

3083. SHRI P. GANGADEB: Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether flood control aspects of 
the Rrangali Project in Dhankanal Dis- 
trict over the Brahman! River and of 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). 
Presumably, the Hon.’ble Members are 
referring to the Indian Trade and Eco- 
nomic Delegation, sponsored by the Fe- 
deration of Indian Chambers of Com- 
merce and Industry which after attend- 
ing the Fourth Conference of the Con- 
federation of Asian Chambers of Com- 
merce and Industry held m Perth fronii 



99 


Written Answers 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 100 


7th ; to 13th May, ,1972 visited other 
business centres in Australia. The re- 
port of the delegation has been released 
recently. The report does not make 
any reference to the delegation having 
requested the Australian Government 
to increase quotas for goods under Aus- 
tralia’s preferential tariff scheme for less 
developed countries. 

During their visit the delegation, tn- 
ter-alia, held discussions with the Wool 
Commission and got the impression that 
Australia would like to export raw wool 
in larger quantities to India. Proces- 
sion of raw wool is a labour intensive 
business. Being short of man-power, 
Australia would, therefore, like to ex- 
plore the possibilities of either export- 
ing raw wool outright to India in much 
larger quantities or for getting it pro- 
cessed into wool tops, yarn, woven fa- 
brics and knitwear. It is the impres- 
sion of the delegation that the Wool 
Commission was prepared to send a de- 
legation to India to explore these possi- 
bilities and also to set up a joint ven- 
ture in India for processing of raw wool 
in which they will have the backing of 
the Government of Australia. 


Implementation of the Recommenda- 
tions of Committee on Uneconomic Rail- 
way Lines 

3085. SHRI D. P. JADEJA : Will 
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the recommendations made by 
the Committee under the Chairmanship 
of Shri Rohanlal Chaturvedi in its re- 
port regarding conversion of N. G. line 
into B. G. line in Gujarat, submitted in 
1970; and 

(b) the recommendations being im- 
plemented by Government? 

THE MINISTER? OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Four N.G. lines 
in Gujarat, namely (i) Chota Udaipur- 
Pratapnagar, (ii) Chhuchhapura-Tan- 
khala, (iii) Ankleswar-Rajpipla and (iv) 
Billimora-Waghai have been recommend- 
ed by the Committee to be surveyed for 
conversion into B.G. 

(b) Traffic surveys for conversion of 
Chota Udaipur-Pratapnagar and Chhu- 
chhapura-T a nkh al a lines into B.G. are 
3eing carried out. 


Teams for assessing Performance of 
Public Sector Corporations and Com* 
modify Boards 

3086. SHRI D. P. JADEJA: 

SHRI S. A. MURUGANAN- 
THAM: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether six Evaluation Teams 
have been set up by his Ministry for 
assessing the performance of the Pub- 
lic -.Sector Corporation, Commodity 
Boards under its jurisdiction ; and 

(b) if so, the terms of reference and 
composition of each team? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Evaluation Teams have been 
set up to undertake a quick survey of 
functioning of the following Corpora- 
tions/ Commodity Boards and to make 
an assessment of the extent to which 
our goals have been achieved and the 
direction in which further strengthen- 
ing of the organisations is needed as 
also suggest ways and means of improv- 
ing their peiformance. The Evaluation 
Teams consist of the following person- 
nel for each of the Corporations/ Com- 
modity Boards : — 

(i) The State Trading Corporation 

(1) Shri Mohd. Yunus, 

Special Secretary, 

Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

(2) Shri K. Kishore, 

Joint Secretary, 

Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

(ii) The Minerals & Metals 
Trading Corporation 

(1) Shri K. T. Satarawala, 

Officer on Special Duty, 
Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

(2) Shri B. D. Kumar, 

Joint Secretary, 

Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

(iii) & (iv) National Textiles Cor - 
poration 

and 

Cotton Corporation of India 

(1) Shri Y. T. Shah, 

Additional Secretary, 

Ministry of Foreign Trade. 



$1 Written Answers SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers tQ2 


(2) Shri P. N. Kapur, 

Textile Commissioner. 

(v) & (vi) Tea Board and Coffee 

Board 

<1) Shri K. T. Satarawala, 

Officer on Special Duty, 
Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

(2) Shri K. S. Narang, 

Joint Secretary, 

Ministry of Foreign Trade. 

Detection of Ticketless Travellers on 
South-Eastern Railway 

3087. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the number of ticketless travellers 
detected on the South Eastern Railway 
from 1st January, 1971 to 30th June, 
1972; and 

(b) the amount recovered from them 
by Government in the form of penalty 
during this period? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) 1,52,495. 

(b) Rs. 11,14,016. 

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Departmental Promotion Committee 
for Confirmation of Officers 

3089. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to refer to the replies given to 
Unstarred Question No. 886 of 21st 
March, 1972 and Unstarred Question 
No. 976 of 21st March, 1972 respec- 
tively regarding temporary officers in the 
Railway Department in 1957 and meet- 
ing of the Departmental Promotion 
Committee respectively and state : 

(a) the name of the third officer, 
selected by Departmental Promotion 
Committee ;for permanent promotion, 
and reasons for delay in his permanent 
appointment ; 



103 Written A™*#* AUGUST 22,;97J Wriittp^nsmn ij&f 


(b) whether any jpeeting of the De- 
partmental Promotion Committed has 
been held after 17th August, 1971 ; and 

(c) if not, when the same is likely to 
be held ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) The third officer 
selected for permanent appointment will 
be notified as and when he is cleared 
from the vigilance angle. It will not 
be in the public interests to disclose the 
name of the officer or the exact reasons 
at this stage. 

(b) Yes. Meeting was held on 
18-7-1972. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Proposal to increase the Service of the 
export special Goods Train from 
Amritsar to Bombay 

3090. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Ministei of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether an export special express 
goods train fiom Amritsar to Bombay 
has become popular with exporters ; and 

(b) if so, whether Government are 
considering a proposal to inciease the 
service of the said train ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A PAI) : (a) and (b) Yes, 
but the present volume of traffic offer- 
ing does not justify increasing the fre- 
quency of the weakly export special. 
The matter is constantly under review 
and the frequency .would be increased 
when more traffic offers. 

Measures taken to stop the Frequent 
Derailment of Coaches on North East- 
ern Railway 

3091. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to stale : 

« 

(a) whether frequent derailment of 
coaches on the Noith Eastern Railway 
is caused because of the failure of equa- 
lising beams as also the breakages of 
beams due to over-crowding on trains ; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by the Rail- 
way Authorities to remedy the situation? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T* A. PAI) : (a) No. There was 
one derailment each during 1971-72 


and 1972-73 (upto July 72) due to 
breakage of equalising beam. In both 
these cases breakage of the equalising 
beams was due to fatigue and not on 
account of over-crowding in trains. 

(b) Six coaches fitted with the type 
of non-standard equalising beam which 
failed have been withdrawn and are be- 
ing fitted with standard equalising beams 
and also safety straps are being pro- 
vided. 

Survey for ten uneconomic Railway 
Lines 

3092. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR: Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government selected ten 
lines for survey following the Report 
of the Uneconomic Branch Lines Com- 
mittee ; 

(b) if so, the names of the ten Branch 

lines ; * 

(c) whether the survey of the lines, 
has been completed ; and 

(d) if so, further action taken in this 
regard 7 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) to (d). A State- 
ment is laid on the Table of the House. 

| Placed in Library. See No. LT — 3473/ 
72.] 

Working groups to plan for expansion 
of facilities regarding freight & Passen- 
ger Traffic 

3093 SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL: 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have form- 
ed working groups to formulate plans 
for expansion of facilities tor freight 6c 
passenger traffic ; and 

(b) it so, the terms of reference of 
the Groups? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAID (a) Yes. 

(b) The terms of reference of the 
three Working Groups set up in the 
Ministry of Railways are as under : — 

1. Working Group on Freight Tra- 
ffic. — This working Group would 

have to make a realistic assessment 

of transport requirements in the Fifth 



Itt Wr&HmAmvnra SRAVANA 31, 18?4 ($AKA) Written Answers lOf 


in respect of amo r cooMaokties 
as coal, finisnea steel and raw 
materials, iron otte for export, cement, 
foodgrains, fertilisers, POL, railway 
materials and caber general goods, 
having regard to the targets of pro- 
duction envisaged for 1978-79. The 
phasing of the likely growth of frei- 
ght traffic on a yearly basis may also 
be worked out. Further, the projec- 
tions of workload on the railways 
may be worked out in terms of tonne- 
kilometres also. In working out the 
traffic requirements, the patterns of 
direction-wise movement may also be 
worked out as far as possible. 

2. Working Group on Passenger 
Traffic. — The Working Group may as- 
sess requirements of passenger traffic 
separately for GO Suburban traffic and 
(b) non-suburban traffic. In regard 
to non-suburban traffic, an assess- 
ment may also be made of the extent 
of overcrowding existing at present 
on long distance trains on trunk and 
other major routes and measures 
needed to reduce overcrowding. In 
regard to suburban traffic, the Group 
may also review the present status of 
the studies currently in progress re- 
lating to metropolitan transport and 
the programme for the Fifth Plan. 

3. Working Group on railway de- 
velopment programme v. — The Group 
may formulate the railway develop- 
ment programme having regard to the 
capacities likely to be built by the 
end of the Fourth Plan, the require- 
ments of additional traffic in the Fifth 
Plan, the possible bottlenecks on the 
major routes, the needs of moderni- 
sation. etc The Group should iden- 
tify the spill-over works from the 
Fourth Plan and the new works re- 
quired. Special emphasis should be 
given for passenger terminal, increase 
in trunk route capacities, accelerated 
electrification and scope for dicselisa- 
tion. It would be necessary to take 
into account action required in the 
field of research and development, 
building up of manufacturing capa- 
cities to meet the equipment and rol- 
ling stock requirements. 

Allegation against Administration of 
Central Water and Power Station at 
Poona 

3094. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state : 


(a) whether a number of complaints 
have been made against the administra- 
tion of the Central Water and Power 
Station at Poona alleging nepotism cor- 
ruption, parochialism ' and favouritism; 

(b) if so, the nature thereof; and 

(c) whether the matter has been in- 
vestigated 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a> 
to (c). Some complaints alleging nepo- 
tism, parochialism and favouritism as 
also financial and administrative irregu- 
larities against the Director of the Re- 
search Station were received. These 
were looked into and were found to be 
incorrect. 

Representation for Raw Material for 
Wig Industry 

3095. SHRI B. S. BHAURA: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether traders engaged in Wig 
Industr) have made any representation 
to Government for raw materials ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide 
raw materials to the traders 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b) 
Human hair is the basic raw material 
for making wigs and it is abundantly 
available. However no representation 
has been received on this account from 
traders engaged in wig industry. 

Wig Factory at Delhi 

3096. SHRI B. S. BHAURA: Wilt 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of 
the fact that in Delhi wig making is con- 
sidefcd to be a cottage industry; 

(b) whether there is a demand by the 
wig industrialists tor a Wig Factory in 
Delhi ; and 

(c) if so, the outline of the proposal 
in this regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TOE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Prima fa- 
cie wig making is a cottage industry in 




107 Written Answers 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Antwere 108 


Delhi but its character can be changed 
if some machinery % installed and the 
unit is mechanised. 

(b) and (c). Recently Delhi Admi- 
nistration have received a proposal from 
a private party to start wig manufac- 
turing with mechanical means and is re- 
ceiving their attention. 

Remodeling of Tnglakabad 
Railway Yard 

3097. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will 
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) what progress has been made so 
far in the remodelling of the Tuglaka- 
bad Railways Yard; and 

(b) when the work is expected to be 
completed 7 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) and (b). The 
progress made so far on the work is 
50% and it is likely to be completed by 
September 1973. 

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|()9 Written Answers SRAVANA 31, 

lUcommeudattons made by the Official 
Committee Appointed to suggest ways 
lor Streamlining Thermal Power Hants 

3101. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER, be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether the Official Committee to 
suggest ways of streamlining Thermal 
power plants has submitted its report : 

(b) if so, the main recommendations 
made by the Committee; and 

(c) the decisions taken by Government 
thereon? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 

No, Sir. The Committee is being consti- 
tuted and will start its work shortly. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

West Bengal Labour Minister’s Report 
on Tea Monopoly Houses. 

3102. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether West Bengal Labour Mini- 
ster has submitted to the Centre a detail- 
ed report elaborating the methods by 
which a few monopoly houses controll- 
ing India’s tea industry make huge pro- 
fits and build up a huge foreign exchange 
reserve abroad; and 

(b) if so, the action taken on the re- 
port? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

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Prefigure from Central Government to 

enhance the Electricity Charges 
on Agriculture 

3106. SHR1 P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY : WilJ the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government's attention 
has been drawn to the reported Press 
Statements of the Chief Minister of 
Tamil Nadu and other Ministers of 
Andhra Pradesh that they are being pres- 
surised by the Central Government to 
enhance the electricity charges for agri- 
culture to 16 paise per unit; 

(b) if so. Central Government’s reac- 
tion thereto; and 

(c) whether the Central Government 
have taken into consideration the im- 
pact of such increase on marginal far- 
mers in deeplift irrigation areas? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
and (b) No, Sir. Government are not 
aware of any reported statements by the 
Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu or other 
Ministers of Andhra Pradesh referred 
in the question. There was also no direc- 
tive issued to the States for enhancing 
electricity charges for agriculture to 16 
paise per unit. 



Irrigation and Power Projects 


3107. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
State : 

(a) whether Government of Andhra 
Pradesh have requested for any special 
additional assistance to push through 
their Major irrigation and Power Pro- 
jects; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Central 
Government thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
and (b). The Government of Andhra 
Pradesh requested for special additional 
assistance for the Nagarjunasagar and 
Lower Sileru projects. It was however, 
not found possible to provide any such 
assistance. 

Compulsory Export Obligations 

3108. SHRI P. NARASIMHA RED- 

DY: 

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government propose to 
impose compulsory export obligations 
on industrial units in the country; and 

(b) if so, the broad features of the 
Scheme? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
After careful examination Government 
have decided in principle to impose ex- 
port obligations on such mills which are 
technologically equipped to manufacture 
exportworthy cloth. Details are being 
worked out. No decision has been taken 
to impose compulsory export obligations 
on other industries. 

Wagons for Lifting Barytes to be sup- 
plied to O A NGC from Cuddapah 

3109. SHRI P. NARASIMHA 
REDDY: Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether large quantities of barytes 
including those to be supplied on con- 
tract to O & NGC are held up for 


(c) Does not arise. 



fErUtffi Jipwcrs SRAYANA 31, {SAKA) 


? oaths at Cuddapah and other stations 
Cuddapoh District of Andhra Pradesh; 
and 

(h) whether steps will be takea to 
make sufficient wagons available to lift 
the accumulated stocks? 


THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) There are some 
outstanding demands for barytes at Cud- 
dapah station as the bulk of the demand 
is for destinations subject to quota limi- 
tations. The oldest demand outstanding 
is about three months old. Movement 
for O & NGC has often been arranged 
ad hoc whenever O & NGC asked for 
assistance. 

(b) Loading of barytes from stations 
on the Guntakal Division, including Cud- 
dapah, has been stepped up from 135 
wagons in April 1972 to 228 m June 
and 229 wagons m July 1972. Loading 
from Cuddapah has been stepped up 
from 12 wagons in April to 14 wagons 
in June and 26 wagons in July. Instruc- 
tions have been issued to step up load- 
ing further. 


Location of Wheels and Axles 
Plant in Andhra Pradesh 

3110. SHRI P. NARAS1MHA 
REDDY: Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to slate: 

(a) whether there is a proposal to 
locate a Wheels and Axles plant in 
Andhra Pradesh; 

(b) if so, whether Government propose 
to study the suitability of locating it at 
Pakala in Chitton District where ade- 
quate site and other infrastructure faci- 
lities are already in possession of the 
Railway; and 

(c) if not, whether Government pro- 
pose to consider locating it in industrial- 
ly backward area? 


THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) to (c). The Rail- 
way Ministry is at present considering 
the setting up of a Wheel and Axle 
Plant. The project report for the plant 
is currently under preparation. Decision 
will be taken after detailed examination 
of all relevant aspects which will also 
cover the question of suitable location 
for the proposed project. 


Written Answers 1 14 

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Export Licence for Into Bales In 
Mr. Tulsfamof Karmrtak OrtponlMi, 
Bangalore 

3111. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 
Wffll the Minister of FOREIGN TRAPE 
be pleased to state; 

,(a) whether one Mr. Tulsian of Kar- 
natak Corporation, Bangalore, a private 
firm in which the Government of My- 
sore holds 17 percent shares, was re- 
cently given licences to export 1 lakh 
bales of jute; and 

(b) if so, the details thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
No licence has been given to S. K. Tul- 
sian for export of raw jute. However* 
the Karnatak Exports Ltd. of Bangalore 
has been given a licence for export of 
I lakh bales of raw jute. 

Import of Wool and Issuing of Combing 
Licences 

3112. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(aj the value and quantity of wool im- 
ports, year-wise, Irom 1969-70 to 1971- 
72; 

(b) whether Government recently is- 
sued three million K. G. Wool combing 
licences to certain parties in Punjab and 
Haryana, and if so, the names and parti- 
culars of such parties; 

(c) whether it has been brought to the 
notice oi Government that m respect of 
the distribution ot wool combing licen- 
ces. certain parties were particularly 
favoured, if so, what action if any has 
been taken in that regard; 

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(d) whether certain persons and firms 
in Ludhiana, Amritsar and Jullundur 
had illegally increased their loomage 
without any authority; and 

(e) whether Government have recent- 
ly taken steps to regularise these unau- 
Ihonscd looms, if so, an account there- 
of? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Quantity 



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AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answer* 116 


and value of import of raw wool as 
under: — 


(Qty. Kg./Lakhs) (Val. Rs./lakhs) 


Year 

quantity 

Value 

1969-70 

184 

1,648 

1970-71 

190 

L5°9 

J971-72 

140 

995 

(Upto Jan., 72) 




(b) The total effective wool combing 
capacity in the country is 39 million lbs. 
Due to a progressive spurt in the exports 
of woollen knitwears over the last few 
years, this capacity became insufficient. 
A decision was taken in 1969 to increase 
the combing capacity. On the recommen- 
dations of an inter-ministerial Sub -Com- 
mittee, Licensing Committee sanctioned 
additional combing capacity of the order 
of 22 million lbs. Out of this, 6 million 
lbs. wool combing licences have been 
sanctioned to the following parties in 
Punjab. No combing licence has been 
granted to Haryana. 


1. M/s. Oswal Wollen 
Millsj Ludhiana 

2 5 m. lbs. 

2. M/s. Anil Wool Com- 
bers, Ludhiana 

1 .0 m. Ibs. 

3. M/s. Modella Wollen 
Mills, Chandigarh . 

1 .0 m. lbs. 

4. M/s. M.H. Combers, 
Amritsar 

0 8 m. lbs. 

5. M/s. Asian Combers, 
Ludhiana 

07 m. lbs. 

(c) No, Sir. 



(d) Yes, Sir. Such unauthorised 
powerlooms were regularised in 1960 
and 1966 under schemes covered by 
Press Notes. 

(e) Does not arise. 

Misuse of Import Licence by M/s. 
Security Printers of India 

3113. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether it has been alleged that 
M/s. Security Printers of India Private 
Limited, Kanpur, a subsidiary of the 


Metal Box Company of India Limited 
has misutilized import licences valued 
at about Rs. 15 lakhs, granted to it; 

(b) if so, whether Government had in- 
vestigated the allegation against this 
company; 

(c) if so, through which machinery this 
investigation was conducted; 

(d) what are 

(e) if no investigation has been held 
so far, whether Government propose to 
order an immediate and thorough probe? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Allegations 
about misutilization of import licences 
for a total value of Rs. 7.75 lakhs have 
been received against M/s. Security Prin- 
ters of India Ltd., Kanpur. 

(b) Necessary enquiry is being made. 

(c) At present enquiries are being con- 
ducted through the Director of Indus- 
tries, U.P. 

(d) Findings are still awaited. 

(e) Does not arise. 

Re-Opening of Martin Light Railway 

3114. SHRI JOTIRMOY BOSU: 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : 

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state the exact position with 
regard to the issue of re-opening of Mar- 
tin Light Railway in West Bengal clos- 
ed down over a year ago? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAT) : It has been agreed 
in principle that the Light Railways in 
West Bengal will be re-opened. A deci- 
sion as to how and when the railway 
lines will be re-opened will be taken by 
the Ministry of Railways jointly with 
the Government of West Bengal. 

Visit of Indian Railway Team 
Abroad 

3115. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODY: 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether seven-member team of the 
Indian Railways had gone on a seven- 
week tour recently to some foreign coun- 
tries; and 



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(U\ whether the tour was useful for 
any* special project, and if so, the salient 
features of the project? 

the MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAD : (a) Yes. 

fl}> Tour was useful for Underground 
Railway Project Calcutta having the 
following salient features: 


(i) Alignment . 

(ii) Length 

(iii) Cost Estimate 
(iv^ Time of Construc- 
tion. 

(v) Foreign Exchange 

(vi) Passenger /day 
(viO Construction Met- 

thod. 


Dum- Dum to 
Tolly ganj 
16 5 Kms 
Rs. 140 crores 
7 years from 

1972-73 

Rs. 23.7 crores 
1 .3 million 

1. Cut and 
Cover. 

2. Driven Tun- 

nel. 


(viiil Journey time from 

one end to another. 32 minutes 

(ix) Fare . ■ Not yet deci- 

ded. 


Revised Indo-Afghan Trade 
Agreement 


to Afghanistan. During the discussions, 
certain difficulties were brought to the 
attention of the Indian side. In order 
to overcome these difficulties, a fresh 
Public Notice was issued on June, 30, 
1972, in supersession of the earlier Pub- 
lic Notice. Copies of the Trade Arran- 
gement and of the Public Notices are 
available in the Parliament Library. 

Idio-Soviet Trade Agreement 

3117. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether an agreement has been 
reached between India and Russia re~ 
garding Indian Textile Products; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
The 1972 Trade Protocol with USSR 
provides for the export of Printed cotton 
cloth and other cotton piece goods, 
Ready-made garments, Bed-Linen, towels 
and hand-kerchiefs, woollen knitwear 
and woollen Textiles from India. 


3116. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 
SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 

KAKODKAR : 


Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether revised Indo-Afghan 
Trade Agreement has been finalised; and 

(b) if so, the sailent features thereof? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
The Indo-Afghan Trade Arrangement 
for 1972-73 period was signed in New 
Delhi on February 20, 1972. Attention 
is invited to the answer given in reply to 
part (b) of Unstarred Question No. 113 
on the 14th March, 1972, wherein the 
salient features of the Trade Arrange- 
ment were mentioned. 


In addition to the above, a contract 
has been signed between Cotton Textiles 
Export Promotion Council, Bombay and 
V/O Exportljan, Moscow, for supply of 
cotton to India by the Soviet Union for 
conversion into cotton fabrics and 
Towels to be exported to the USSR. 
India would receive the cotton free of 
cost and will get conversion charges. 
Items like Roller printed Chintz, print- 
ed satin, bleached sheeting, bleached 
poplin and Towels are covered under 
this deal. 

Theft of Railway Fittings 

3118. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK: Will the* Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there has been increase in 
the number of cases of theft of railway 
fittings in the- recent years; 


2, The Trade Arrangement has not 
been modified but as was stated in reply 
to Starred Question No. 958 on the 23rd 
of May, 1972, there were talks between 
officials of India and Afghanistan with 
a view to explain the provisions of a 
Public Notice issued on March 20, 1972, 
in regard to imports from and exports 


(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) the total loss to railways due to 
such thefts during the last three years? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes, to some ex* 
tent. 



Wrf^ Xnmts AUGUST 2l 1972 Written Answers 12b 


(b) Dae to the dfatairbed law add order 
conditions in some ^parts of the country 
particularly in Eastern region. 

(c) The total loss to the railways due 
to thefts of railway materials and fittings 
during the last 3 years is as under : — 


Year 

No. of Property 
Oases lost 

registered (Rs.) 

Property 

Recovered 

(Rs .1 

*969 • 

27,”5 

32 , 90,559 

4,92,462 

1970 

30,379 

47,01,729 

6,88,545 

« 97 * 

45,870 

69,27,941 

6,46,517 

1972 

25,151 

24 , *4,554 

2,47,839 


(Upto June, 72) 


Stopping of Loans to the Punjab State 
Electricity Board for its Rural Scheme 

3119. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Rural Electrification Cor- 
poration has stopped advancement of 
sanctioned loans to the Punjab State 
Electricity Board for its rural scheme; 
and 

(b) if so, the reasons thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
and (b). No, Sir. In all 17 schemes 
have been sanctioned so far by the 
Rural Electrification Corporation for 
rural electrification in Punjab. First in- 
stalment of loan amounting to Rs. 
366.712 lakhs in respect of 12 schemes 
has since been disbursed to the Punjab 
State Electricity Board. The amount for 
the other schemes will be released by 
the Corporation on completion of the 
formalities in regard to furnishing of 
documents by the State Electricity Board. 

Review 6f Iltdo U.A.R. Trade 
Agreem en t 

3120. StiKI R. S. PANDEY; Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 


(a) whether talks have been held re* 
cently with Egypt to review the present 
trade and commerce between the two 
countries; 

(b) whether any new agreement has 
since been signed with Egypt to promote 
trade with that country; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) to (c). In 
April 1972 mid-term Trade Review Talks 
were held with ARE in Cairo to review 
the working of the current Indo-ARE 
Trade Arrangement. There was no ques- 
tion of concluding any new Agreement 
during those talks since the current 
Trade Arrangement is valid up to 30 th 
September , 1972. 

However, in the first week of Septem- 
ber, 1972 Egyptian trade delegation is 
expected to come to Delhi to negotiate 
a new Trade Arrangement for 1972-73. 

Privately owned Electricity 
supply undertakings 

3121. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state the total 
number of privately owned electricity 
supply undertakings in the country ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): The 
total number of privately owned electri- 
city supply undertakings in the country, 
including cooperatives and private com- 
panies, is 133 as on 31-3-72. 

Chittaranjan Locomotive Works 

3122. SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Will 
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether the Chittaranjan Loco- 
motive Works have recently entered into 
the export market; 

(b) if so, the main items produced at 
the Chittaranjan Locomotive Works 
meant for export and the countries from 
where orders have been received; and 

(c) the total exports which have mate- 
rialised so far and the foreign exchange 
earned therefrom? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes. 



Hi Wtftim mwers SRAVAKA 31, (SAJCAy jmttin Answers 122 


(&) The mdia items produced for ex* 
jhort ait the Chittaranjan Locomotive 
Works ate mono blodks fdr points and 
crossings supplied to Iran, locomotive 
spares supplied to Syria, traction motors 
magnet frames supplied to France and 
steam locomotive boilers supplied to 
Burma. 

(c) The total value of these export 
orders is about Rs. 18 lakhs of which 
■approximately Rs. 13 lakhs have been 
realised so far. 

Fall In rate of Exports 

3123. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : 

SHRI P. K. DEO: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(а) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been drawn to news item ap- 
pearing in the Indian Express dated the 
26th July, 1972 showing sketch of fall 
in the rate of export of Indian commo- 
dities and if so. Government’s reaction 
thereto; 

(б) whether the imports have shown a 
steep rise in the country; 

(c) if so, the extent to which India 
suffered a loss as a result of fall in ex- 
ports and rise in imports; and 

(d) the steps which Government pro- 
pose to take to increase the exports. 


CB) If id, tbe Ste^s bdng taken by Gov- 
ernment to meet the tituatioft? 


THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) Yes. 


(b) Loading in and for destinations in 
the Eastern sector, particularly in West 
Bengal, suffered due to serious disloca- 
tions to railway working and heavy im- 
mobilisation of wagons on account of 
various anti-social activities till the last 
quarter of 1971 and heavy Defence 
moves thereafter. Availability of wagons 
also suffered due to drop in the release 
of loaded wagons in Calcutta-Howrah 
areas from about 80% in the past to 
65% in recent months. Detention to 
loaded wagons were heavy even in the 
Power Houses. Railways are following 
up the slow release of wagons with the 
trade through different Chambers of 
Commerce and are also planning to open 
additional terminals in Calcutta area. 


Due to sustained efforts, the average 
daily loading of coal from Bengal and 
Bihar fields went up to 5707 wagons 
frbm 5484 and 5444 wagons respective- 
ly during the months of May and June, 
1972. Efforts are continuing to step up 
loading further by accelerating move- 
ment of wagons further, reducing the 
percentage of wagons ineffective and 
procuring more wagons. 


Committee to examine decline of Tea 
Export to U.K. and other European 
Countries 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) Yes. 

(b) Yes. 

(c) and (d). Exports have continued to 
rise. The rise in imports was unavoid- 
able. Measures are constantly under re- 
view for increasing the country’s ex- 
port earnings. 

Indian Trade Industry Facing Crisis due 
to Wagon Shortage 

3124. SHRI NAWAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been drawn towards a news 
item - appearing in the daily Hindustan 
dated the 30th July, 1972 regarding the 
concern expressed by the Federation of 
Indian Chamber of Commerce and In- 
dustry over shortage of wagons; and 


3125. SHRI NAtVAL KISHORE 
SHARMA : Will the Minister of FORE- 
IGN TRADE be pleased to state: 


(a) whether a Committee has been set 
up to examine the cause of decline in 
demand of Indian tea in U.K. and other 
European countries; and 


(b) the steps which Government pro- 
pose to take to increase the export of tea 
to those countries? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
® A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Although no Committee has been speci- 
fica ly set up to examine tbe cause of 
decline m demand of Indian tea in UK 
and other European countries, several 
steps have been are being taken to boost 
up tea exports to these countries which 
include joint promotion with establish- 
ed Packers, sampling and store demon- 
strations supporting Indian tea packs and 
participation in fairs and exhibitions. 



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AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 124 


Fly owbrMie m Remnxm Lore! 
Crossing at Balasore, Orissa 

3126. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the fly over-bridge on the 
Remuna level crossing at Balasore, 
Orissa has been sanctioned; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for not starting 
the work so far? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PA1) : (a) The proposal for 
construction of a Road over-bridge on 
the Remuna Road level crossing at 
Balasore has been included in Railway’s 
Works Programme of 1972-73. 

(b) The site of the over-bridge as well 
as the plans and estimate are yet to be 
finalised by the Government of Orissa. 

Increase in the Time of Halt of Madras 
Mail at Balasore, Orissa 

3127. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Madras Mail halt at 
Balasore (Orissa) is proposed to be in- 
creased to 12 minutes as before; and 

(b) if so, from what date? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI 
MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI) : (a) No. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Proposal to run a Delux Train between 
Howrah and Madras 

3128. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of 
RAILWAYS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government intend to 
run a deluxe train between Howrah and 
Madras; and 

(b) if so, from whdt date? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) No. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Flood protection Scheme for Buda 
Balanga River 

3129. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA: Will the Minister of 
IRRIGATION AND POWER be pleas- 
ed to state: 


(a) whether Orissa Government have 
prepared any flood protection scheme 
for Buda Balanga river of Balasore Dis- 
trict; and 

(b) if so, the name of scheme and pro- 
gress made thereon so far? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 
and (b). No flood protection scheme on 
the Buda-balanga river has yet been 
prepared by the State Government of 
Orissa. However, there is a proposal 
for constiuction of a dam over the river 
Buda-balanga at Kuliana for flood con- 
trol and irrigation purposes. The State 
Government are carrying out investiga- 
tions for this dam. 

Project Schemes submitted by Orissa 
Government 

3130. SHRI SHYAM SUNDER 
MOHAPATRA : 

SHRI ARJUN SETHI: 


Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of Orissa 
have recently submitted projects schemes 
for two major irrigation projects of 
Bhimkuda and Rengali to the Central 
Water and Power Commission; and 

(b) whether Central Water and Power 
Commission has studied the schemes and 
if so, its reaction thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): 
(a) and (b). The project report of 
Rengali Dam on the Brahmani river 
in Orissa has recently been received a i 
the Centre and is presently under scru- 
tiny in the Central Water and Power 
Commission. The Bhimkund project is 
expected to be finalised by the State Gov- 
ernment by the end of September, 1972. 

Nationalisation of Aluminium Import 
and Export 

3131. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government propose to 
nationalise the export and import of 
Aluminium and its raw materials and 
products, and 



fPstofep Atuteerj SRAVANA31 

(b>i£ so, , the salient features of the 
proposal? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Import of aluminium is canalised through 
the Minerals and Metal Trading Corpo- 
ration. There is no proposal, at present, 
for canalisation of export of aluminium 
metal or aluminium alloys. 

Import/ Export Licences to Small Scale 
Industries 

3132. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether small scale industries hayc 
to face problems in getting import-ex- 
port licences; 

(b) whether Government issue licences 
within a period limit; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Procedures 
for the grant of. import licences to small 
scale industries have been made as sim- 
ple as possible. These procedures are 
kept under constant review and remedial 
measures are taken as and when difficul- 
ties arise. On the export side, most of 
the commodities are not controlled and 
do not require a licence. In the case of 
controlled commodities, the shipping 
bills for expoit are passed generally on 
the same day. 

(b) and (c). A time limit of 30 days 
has been fixed for disposal of applica- 
tions for import of raw materials, com- 
ponents and spares, and 60 days in res- 
pect of applications for import of capi- 
tal goods. These time limits are appli- 
cable where applications are complete in 
all respects. Every effort is made to 
adhere to these time limits. A longer 
time is taken in the disposal of applica- 
tions which contain deficiencies or where 
a large number of applications are re- 
ceived at about the same time particu- 
larly towards the close of a licensing 
period. 

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Fixing Price of Cotton Yarn 

3141. SHRI P. K. DEO: Will the 
Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are planning 
to fix prices of cotton yarn; 

(b) whether it will give any relief either 
to producers or cotton yarn manufac- 
turers or textile mill owners; and 

(c) if so, the extent thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Transit Facilities to Nepal for Training 
with Bangla Desh 

3142. SHRI P.K. DEO: 

SHRI S.C. SAMANTA: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 


^ frrjttenAflww 13* 

(a) whether Government of India 
have offered overland transit facilities to 
Nepal for trade with Bangladesh; 

(b) if so, the reaction of the* Nepalese 
Government in this regard; and 

(c) whether Government of India had 
consulted the Government of Bangladesh 
before making this offer to the Nepalese 
Government? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C, GEORGE) : (a) and (b). It 
was agreed between the Government of 
India and the Government of Nepal at 
the time of signing the Treaty of Trade 
and Transit 1971 that for Nepal to deve- 
lop and diversify her trade within the 
region, overland routes will be provided 
to Nepal through regional or sub-region- 
al cooperation agreements when mutual- 
ly satisfactory trade and transit arrange- 
ments between India and other regional 
member countries cocerned take place. 

(c) The Government of Nepal and the 
Government of Bangladesh are both 
aware of India’s willingness to provide 
facilities, in terms of this, for trade bet- 
ween the two countries. 


Differences between States over the 
Appointment of High Court 
Judges 

3143. SHRI P. K. DEO: Will the 
Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 
pleased to state: 

(a) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been drawn to a press report 
in the ‘ Statesman ’ of 20th June, 1972 
under the heading “Differences in States 
over Judges’ Choice — Centre to speed 
up appointments”; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto? 


THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. 
GOKHALE): (a) and (b). Government 
have seen the press report referred to. 
The procedure for appointment of High' 
Court Judges is laid down in Article 217 
of the Constitution. There is na propo- 
sal te change) the jpippedufle. 



t& il/1894 (SAXA) Written Answers 134 

R«of*anta«tioB ^ DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 

in Kerala MINISTRY- OF IRRIGATION AND 

POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL): (a) 


3144. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the centre has not yet 
given to Kerala Rs. 1 4 5 crores for the 
reorganisation of coir industry as propo- 
sed by the Study Group of the Planning 
Commission; 

\b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 
(c) when it is likely to be given? 

, THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (c). The 
Study Group set up by the Planning 
Commission did not make any proposal 
to give Rs. 1 * 50 crores to the Kerala 
Government for the reorganisation of 
the coir industry. However, a request 
for the grant of a soft-loan of Rs. 1 * 50 
crores for revitalising the coir industry 
in Kerala was received from the State 
Government. The proposal sent by the 
State Government mainly related to re- 
vitalising 25 cooperative societies. De- 
tailed steps proposed to be taken to 
ensure that the societies would become 
viable and credit worthy had not been 
indicated. The State Government was 
informed that unless future viability and 
satisfactory working of the societies was 
ensured, interim assistance would not 
be of abiding value. It was proposed to 
send a team of officers to discuss the 
matter in detail, but the State Govern- 
ment have not accepted this proposal. 


Rehabilitation of Oustees of Pong 
Dam 

3145. SHRI PRABODH CHAN- 
DRA: Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) how Government propose to reha- 
bilitate the skilled and unskilled labour 
that will become surplus with the com- 
pletion of Pong Dam; 

(b) whether thousands of oustees of 
Pong Dam are not yet settled in the 
Rajasthan Canal area as was decided at 
the time of the construction of the dam; 
and 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor? 


At present so far as possible the work- 
men rendered surplus at Pong Dam 
(Beas Project Unit-II) are being accom- 
modated against vacancies on Unit-I of 
the Project. Efforts will also be made to 
obtain 'preferential treatment for the 
workers of this Project for appointment 
in similar other projects irr the region 
as far as possible. 

• » • ? • 

(b) and (c). There has been some de- 
lay in the rehabilitation of oustees on 
account of divergence of views between 
Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh on 
matters relating to eligibility of oustees 
for allotment of land in Rajasthan Canal 
area. The matter has been almost resol- 
ved and it would now be possible to 
expedite the movement of the oustees 
from Pong Dam Area to Rajasthan. 

Decision taken to construct 
Thein-Dam 

3146. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: 
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether any definite decisions has 
beenTaken for the construction of Them 
Dam; and 

(b) if so, the time by which Govern- 
ment expect to start the work? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 

and (b). It has been decided that a Dam 
on a river Ravi will be constructed at 
Thein, but there are some inter-state as- 
pects of the Project, which are yet to be 
settled among the concerned States. 
These matters are still under discussion 
with the States. 

Indian Handicrafts Emporia Abroad 

3147. SHRI PRABODH CHAND- 
RA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be ple&sed to state the names 
of the countries in which emporia of 
Indian handicrafts have been opened and 
what is the financial position of these 
emporia? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : Hie Handi- 
crafts & Handlooms Exports Corpora- 
tion runs four “SON A” shops abroad 
which , also sell Indian Handicrafts. 
These are located at New York, Boston, 
Nairobi and Paris. The profit/loss 



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1970-71 

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Completion of Pavilions ot Aslan Fair 

3148. SHRI PRABODH CHAND- 
RA : Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether a number of pavilions 
in the Asian Fair proposed to be held 
1972 have not been constructed accor- 
ding to the time schedule; and 

(b) if so, what steps Government 
propose to take to complete these pavi- 
lions in time ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Govern- 
ment has no information on die subject, 

(b) Does not arise. 

purchase of Cotton from open market 
by Government run Mills 

3150. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH : WiU the Minister of 
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to 
state : 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) and (b). 

All the Fair Organisation’s construc- 
tions are going according to schedule. 
Out of ninety-six participant pavilions, 
eighty-three are under construction and 
the remaining are at various stages of 
finalisation of their plans & contracts. 
They have been asked to expedite their 
work and we do not anticipate diffi- 
culties in completion of these pavilions 
in time. 


(a) whether the Cotton Corporation 
of India imports nearly Rs. 130 crorea 
worth of ootton per annum ; 

(b) whether “sick” cotton mills run 
by Government buy cotton from open 
market and not from the Cotton Corpo- 
ration ; 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(d) whether there is any proposal to 
change this policy ? 


Impact on Indo-Bangladesh Jute Trade 
Consequent on China’s offer to buy 
Jute from Bangladesh 

3149. SHRI HARI KISHORE 
SINGH : Will the Minister of 
FOREIGN TRADE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether China has offered to buy 

S tbstaptial quantity of raw jute from 
angladesh at a higher price than the 
prevailing international price ; and 

(b) if so, the likely impact of this 
move on Indo-Bangladesh trade and the 
steps taken by Government in this 
regard? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. 
During current cotton year the Cotton 
Corporation had imported foreign cot- 
ton of the value of Rs. 56.76 crorea 
upto July, 1972. 

(b) The mills being run by the 
National Textile Corporation have been 
advised, other things being equal, to buy 
cotton from the Cotton Corporation of 
India. 

(c) and (d). On purely economic 
grounds, the mills would buy cotton 
from the open market, if it is available 
at cheaper rates. 





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3151. 


IfJDRAltr GUPTA : 
SAMAR GUHA : 


Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the West Bengal State 
Government has requested the Centre to 
send a team of Railway experts to advise 
and assist them in matter of reopening 
die Martin’s Light Railway ; 

(b) if so, the progress made in this 
regard ; and 

(c) whether Government would bear 
any part of the burden involved in 
reopening and operating the said 


THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes. 

(b) A Committee of Experts has 
since been set up by the Eastern Rail- 
way. The Committee has been asked 
to expedite the report. 

(c) This will be examined in consul- 
tation with the Government of West 
Bengal. 


Late running of trains and over- 
crowding in Bandel Katwa sub- 
urban section (Eastern Railway) 

3152. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether representations have 
been received on behalf of a number of 
Railway passengers associations regard- 
ing the neglect of the Bandel-Katwa 
Suburban section of Eastern Railway 
(Howrah Division), resulting in late 
running and over-crowding; and 

(b) the action being taken to intro- 
duce shuttle services between Bandel 
and Katwa ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY RAILWAYS (SHRI 
MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI) : (a) Yes. 

(b) 47 Up/48 Dn. Bandel-Katwa 
Locals which were cancelled from 12th 
December, 1971 for movement of high 
priority traffic during Emergency have 
been re-introduced from 1st August, 
1972. 


KUctrificntlon and Doubting of die 
Dawk of the BmdeUbtfwa Sabnrtm 
Section (Eastern Railway) 

3153. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the reasons for non-electrification 
of Bandel-Katwa Suburban Section of 
Eastern Railway ; 

(b) whether pending electrification, 
Diesel Engine is proposed to be intro- 
duced ; and 

(c) the action being taken on the 
passengers’ demand for doubling of the 
track on this section? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) ; (a) An examina- 
tion of the existing and anticipated 
traffic on the Bandel-Katwa section 
reveals that the existing as well as the 
anticipated traffic at the end of 1973-74 
and even beyond can be easily worked 
with the existing mode of traction. As 
such, electrification of the section is 
not considered justified from the econo- 
mic as well as operational point of view 
in the near future. 

(b) Not at present. 

(c) There is no traffic justification 
for doubling the track as sufficient 
spare capacity exists to cater for the 
anticipated increase in traffic, if any, in 
the near future. 

Action taken .against. Firms for not 
meeting Export Obligations 

3154. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the firms who did not 
meet their export obligations in 1970-71 
and 1971-72 have been prosecuted ; and 

(b) if not, the .reasons therefor? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
The information is being collected and 
will be placed on the Table of the 
House. 

Export of Lenses for Spectacles 

3155. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : 
Will ffie Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 



WrtttarAnswerh 


AUGUST 12, 1972 


Wrttten-Antwtrk 140 


’ (a) whether India Hut started the 
dxport of lenses for spectacle to foreign 
countries ; * * 

<b) if sot the names, of the countries 
tb which the lenses are exported ; and 

(c) tho quantity and value of the 
exports made, country-wise, for the last 
three years? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TUB 
MINISTRY OF . FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE^ : (a) Separate 
trade statistics of lenses .are not main- 
tained. However, Optical ‘'elements, 
Unmounted which includes lenses for 
spectacles have been exported. 

(b) and (c). Export of “Optical ele- 
ments, unmounted” is given in the state- 
ment enclosed. 


STATiUKHT 


(Value in Rs. ’ooo’ 
Quantity in Nos.) 


Na^np.of , the 
Country 

r 

i 

1969-70 


1970 71 

1971-79 

Qty. 

Value 

Oft- 

Value 

Qty. Value 

(upto Feb.* 72) 

.South YemaijPfto- 








. pies Republic . 

7 ° 


I 

283 

2 

■ • 

• • 

‘B&hrein Is. . % 

i 

98b 


12 


• • 

• • 

• • 

..Nigeria 

988 

- 

3 

• • 

• « 

• • 

• • 

Ethiopia . . 

» * 


• • 

216 

2 

• • 

•• 

, 1 

Lebanon • • 

• • 


• • 

• • 


216 

0.2 

Total 

638 


6 

499 

4 

216 

0.2 


I 


Export of Tea, Coffee and Jnte 

‘3156. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : 
Will the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the countries to 
which India exported tea, coffee and 
‘jute during the years 1970-71 and 1971- 
72 •* 

(b) the quantity and the value of the 
exports made during the said period ; 

'and 

(c) the expected exports to be made 
■ during the year 1972-73. 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) The 
. following are the principal countries to 
which India exported tea, coffee and jute 
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 


Ted: 

U.K., U.S.S.R., Afghanistan, Sudan, 
Egypt, U.S.A., Irish Republic, Iraq, 
Poland, Canada, West Germany, Nether- 
lands, Australia, Iran, Jordan and 
Tunisia. 

I 

Coffee : 

(A) U.S.A. and Canada. 

(B) Countries of West Europe inclu- 

ding U.K., European Economic 
Community, Scandinavian 

countries and European Free 
Trade Association countries. 

(C) East European countries of 
U.S.S.R., Poland, Hungary, 
Rumania, German Democratic 
Republic, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia 
and Czecbolsovakia. 

(D) Oceania. 

(E) Middle East Countries. 

(F) Far East countries. 





141 Written Awwer* 


SRAYANA 31,1 894 (SAKA) 


Written Answerk 142 


.Jfawjute : 

m During 1970-71: Belgium; Fiji, Islands, 
U.K, andU. S.S.R 
• During 1971-72: Australia, Belgium, 
Bulgaria, Germany 
(West), Italy, Ja- 
pan, Morocco, 

Spain, Sweden, 

Uganda, U. K., 
U. S. A. and U.S. 



S. R. 


(M 

Quantity 

Valuel 

Tea 

(in th. 
tonnes) 

(inRs ./ 
crores) 

1970-71 • 

. 205.04 

1 53*57 

1971-72® 

Coffee 

. 218.15 

162.38® 

1970-71 . 

31-875 

23 99 

1971-72 . 

Raw Jute 

38.459 

23 87 

1970-71 . 

. 17.452 4 -i<f 

1971-72 . 
(Apnl-Fcb.’l 

24.893 

. 8.64 

(0 

Quantity 
(m th. 
tonnes) 

Value . 
(in Rs./ 
crores) . 

Tea 

220* 

1577* 

•Coffee . 

40.9 

24-54 

Raw Jute 

. Exports will be limi- 
ted to small quan- 
tities provided in 
the Trade Plans 
with U. S. S. R. 
and Poland. 


Export orders for Indian Carpets 


3157. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : 
SHRI C. K. JAFFER 
SHARIEF : 

. Will the Minister ■ of ■ FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) Whether there is a good demand 
for Indian carpets in foreign countries; 

(b) if so, the value of orders receiv- 
ed by Government for the current year 
and the amount of foreign exchange 
likely to be earned during this year ; and 

(c) the foreign exchange earned 
during the last three years, countrywise ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY. OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, 

Stir. . 


' (b) The Government does not 
receive any orders. However, according 
to information received from the trade 
and other sources, it is expected that 
exports of woollen carpets, rugs and 
druggets etc. may reach around 
Rs. 18.50 crores during 1972-73. 

(c) The information regarding export 
of carpets for the last three years 
country-wise is enclosed. 


Statement 


Country-wise Exports of Woollen Carpels, Rugs and Druggets 
Including namdahs 


(Rs. in lakhs) 

Country 1969-70 1970-71 1971-72 

(April-Dee. 

* . *970 

Europe : 

1. Belgium-Luxumbourg 27.41 39-97 23-88 

2. France 18.87 19 96 11.62 

3. West Germany ...... 123.00 199-55 3*2 - 2 3 

@ Provisional. 


•This is subject to export quota restrictions that may be imposed by ad hoc arran- 
gements under the Food and Agricultural Organisation. 




143 WritHmAiurreH 


AUGUST 22, 1072 


Wrtttm Asm*rt 144 


Coutry 







1969-70 

197 °* 7 > 

1971/72 

(April-Dee. 

1970 

4 * Italy • 

* 


• 

• 

t 

• 

6-55 

8.35 

7.05 

5' Netherlands 



• 

• 

• 

* 

*0.37 

20.18 

24.81 

6. Denmark v 

• 


• 

• 

• 

• 

12.38 

9-54 

7.l6 

7- Sweden 

• 


• 

a 

• 

• 

16.99 

15.07 

15-58 

8- Switzerland . 

• 


• 

• 

• 

» 

6.I4 

14-39 

10.49. 

9 - U.K. 

• 


• 

• 

• 

• 

183.78 

183-49 

120.20 

ro. U.S.S.R. 



• 

■ 

• 

• 

14.40 

8.25 

61, 49. 

ECAFE Region : 

zi. Australia 





• 

• 

74.64 

90.05 

61.76 

12- Hong Kong 





• 

• 

0.48 

1 .84 

0-53 

13- Japan 





• 

• 

2.60 

4-16 

5-33 

14. Malaysia 





• 

• 

0-34 

O.46 

0.60 

13* Singapore . 





0 

• 

582 

3-13 

2.lf> 

West Asia : 

16 Aden . 

• 

• 

• 

• 

• 

• 

0.23 

0.07 

o.osr 

17 Kuwait 

• 

9 

• 

• 

m 

• 

O.49 

0.86 

0-43 

18 Lebanon 


• 

• 

* 

• 

9 

0-57 

1.22 

1 .80 

19 Saudi Arabia 

• 

• 

• 

9 

• 

• 

o-45 

0.05 

0.16 

America : 

ao U.S.A. 

• 

• 

• 

9 

* 

• 

461 .24 

360.08 

257.61 

21 Canada 

• 

• 

• 

♦ 

- 

• 

168.75 

90.22 

58.18 

22 Other countries 

a 

• 

• 

Total 

— 

23.90 

1,169.40 

23.41 

1,094.30 

19*25 

1,002.34 


Recovery of Ballot Papers for 
1971 Lok Sabtaa Poll from a Dealer 

3158. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN 
MISHRA : 

SHRI RAM PRAKASH : 

Will the Minister of LAW AND 
JUSTICE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention 
has been drawn to the disclosure made 


in the Maharashtra Assembly on June, 
26, 1972 as reported in the “Free Press 
JournaT’ dated the 27th June, 1972 
that a large number of ballot papers for 
the 1971 poll to the Lok Sabha were 
recovered from a dealer ; and 

(b) if so, the action taken to trace 
the origins of these ballot papers and 
the reaction of Central Government 
thereto? 



14$. WrttmAmm SRAVANA 31. ltt* (SAKA) Writum Answers 146 


JNHBfr 8 iBftJB 

JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH 
CHAV&HARY) i (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The matter is being got investi- 
gated by the Election Commission. 


Pnl?lfc Sector help for Export Houses 

3159. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : WiH the Minister of 
FOREIGN TRAPE be pleased tp state : 

(a) whether Government have drawn 
up any scheme under which public 
sector will help the export houses ; 

(b) if so, the outlines thereof; and 

(c) when the scheme will be imple- 
mented ? v 


refer to the reply given to Unstarred 
Question No. 1394 on the 8th August, 
1972 and state the recommendations 
made by the Cyclone Distress Mitiga- 
tion Committee? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : In 
their report, the Cyclone Distress Miti- 
gation Committee, Orissa have made 59 
recommendations. These relate to : 

(1) Meteorological organisation for 
the detection and tracking of cyclonic 
storms ; 

(2) Dissemination of meteorological 
warnings ; 

t- 

(3) Cyclone Distress Mitigation 
Measures ; 


wi3tSJ?5 Pl,Ty MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 


(4) Model cyclone plan ; and 

(5) Machinery for implementation of 
the various Cyclone Distress Mitigation 
measures. 


Flood Control Scheme of Brahman! and 
Baitarani Rivers and irrigation plan for 
Orissa 

rui»; CHINTAMANI PANI- 
Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether any scheme relating to 
flood control of Brahmani and Baitarani 
rivers and a Rs. 135 crores — Irrigation 
rian for Orissa was discussed at the 
Snnagar Conference of State Irrigation 
and Power Ministers; and 

if w, the outcome of the discus* 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B N KUREELJ W 
and (b). No specific flood control and 
irrigation schemes were discussed at the 
£“ fer \n*°f the State Irrigation and 

JuM? r i972 Mter eW " Srinagar “ 

Reco mmen dations nude by die Cyclone 
Distress Mitigation Committee 

GrIht *58! ^{NIAMANI PANI- 
£RAHI ; Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 

HON and POWER be pleased to 


, me important specific recommenda- 
tions made by the Committee are given 
in the Statement laid on the Table of 

LT ^474/72] aCed ™ L ' brary - See No. 

Implementation of recommendations 
made by the Ministers’ Committee on 
Floods and Flood Relief by Orissa 
Government 

3162. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI ; Will the Minister of IRRIGA- 
TION AND POWER be pleased to 
refer to reply to Unstarred Question 
No. 1964 given on 4th April, 1972 
regarding Reports of Committee on 
Floods and Flood Relief and state 
whether the recommendations made by 
the Minister’s Committee on Floods and 
Flood Relief are being implemented by 
Orissa Government? 

wi£ ffi..P EPUTY MINISTER in the 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : The 
report of the Ministers’ Committee on 
Roods and Rood Relief was sent to the 
ffat® Government of Orissa in April 
1972 for taking appropriate action on 
the recommendation made by the Com- 
fflittee. The State Government have 
been requested to intimate the progress 
taken by the end of August 



147 


Written Answers 


AUGUSf 22, 1972 


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Tobacco Board 

3164. SHRI RAMKANWAR: Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government contem- 
plate formation of a Tobacco-Board ; 

(b) if so, the functions and the 
constitution of the Board ; and 

(c) how would it help production 
and export of tobacco ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (c). 
Yes, Sir. It has been decided to set up 
Tobacco Marketing Board for flue 
cured Virginia Tobacco. The constitu- 
tion, functions etc. of the Board are yet 
to be finalised. 


Lifting of Ban on Twtfhm l. 

Nepal . 

3165. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 
DHURY: 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Nepal has lifted the ban, 
imposed in October, 1968,. on the 
import of Indian cigarettes ; 

(b) if so, the present position in 
regard to export of cigarettes to Nepal ; 
and 

(c) the foreign exchange likely to be 
earned therefrom ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN 1HB 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
Under the current policy of Govern- 
ment of Nepal, import of only three 
brands of Indian cigarettes is permit*"' 1 
from India. The question of revising 
this policy has been taken up with them. 

(c) Since payments for trade 
exchanges between India and Nepal are 
not made in free foreign exchange, the 
question of earning free foreign 
exchange on export of Indian cigarettes 
to Nepal does not arise. 

Export of Engineering Goods through 
Projects and Equipment Corporation 

3166. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : 

SHRI RAMAVATAR SHAS- 
TRI : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Projects and Equip- 
ment Corporation of India had succeed- 
ed in doubling the export of engineering 
goods during 1971-72 ; 

(b) if so, the volume of exports made 
in the last two years ; and 

(c) which are the more important 
projects in which Projects and Equip- 
ment Corporation has shown active 
interest ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE): (a) and (b). 
The Projects and Equipment Corpora- 
tion was set up in April, 1971. In the 
very first year of their operation, i.e. 
1971-72, their- share in the total export, 



149 JVritten 4nwers SRAVANA 31, 

of o&gipeeriBg goods (estimated at about 
Rs,,125 crores) amounted to Rs. 15.37 
croies. 

(c) The Projects and Equipment 
Corporation has shown active interest 
in turnkey projects pertaining to rail- 
way systems, textile and industrial 
plants. 

Shipment of Iron and Manganese Ore 

3167. SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the figures of export of iron ore 
and manganese ore during 1970-71 and 
1971-72 ; 

(b) by how much they have fallen 
behind the contracted and scheduled 
quantities in each of these years and 
the foreign exchange loss resulting 
thereby ; 

(c) whether the unshipped quantities 
stand cancelled or the buyers have 
agreed for a carry-over of these short- 
shipments to the current year over and 
above this year’s commitments ; and 

(d) the steps taken to ensure that 
the entire quantity is shipped during 
this year? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) India 
exported 20.8 million tonnes of Iron 
Ore in 1970-71 and 20.9 million tonnes 
in 1971-72. Exports of manganese ore 
duiing the years 1970-71 and 1971-72 
were 16.80 lakh tonnes and 11.85 lakh 
tonnes respectively. 

(b) Actual exports by the MMTC 
fell short of scheduled quantities by 8% 
in 1970-71 and 9% in 1971-72 in the 
case of iron ore and by 13% and 33% 
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 respectively 
in the case of manganese ore. Foreign 
Exchange therefore were less by Rs. 4 
crores and Rs. 6 crores in 1970-71 and 
1971-72 in the case of iron ore and 
Rs. 2.27 crores and Rs. 5.40 crores 
during 1970-71 and 1971-72 respec- 
tively in the case of manganese ore. 
Information relating to Goan Shippers 
in regard to iron ore and Manganese 
Ore India Ltd. in respect of maganese 
ore is not available. 

(c) No uniform practice is followed 
in this respect. 


1894 (SAKA) Written 4nsweej 150 

(d) Some of the important steps taken 
to increase the exports are improvement 
in mining, supply of more wagons for 
transport, increase in rail capacity and 
provision of mechanical loading at 
ports etc. 

Flood forecasting arrangements at Sisa- 

pani and Barahaksetra in Nepal 

3168. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 
WiU the Minister of IRRIGATION 
AND POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any flood forecasting 
arrangements have been made at Sisa- 
pani and Barahaksetra in Nepal for the 
rivers Kamala and Koshi and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
and (b). There is no flood forecasting 
arrangement either at Sisapani or at 
Barahaksetra. The Bihar Government 
are however operating a wireless station 
at Barahaksetra for the transmission of 
gauge and discharge data to Birpur 
tor the operation of Kosi Barrage. 

Complaints regarding graft charges 
against officers of Godavari Barrage 
Project 

3169. SHRI RAM PRAKASH: Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have 
received complaints of graft charges 
against certain officers of Godavari 
Barrage Project ; 

Cb) whether Government had refer- 
red these charges to Anti-corruption 
Bureau for investigation; and 

(c) if so, the findings of the Bureau ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
to (c). Irrigation is a State Subject and 
the execution of the Godavari Barrage 
Project is the sole responsibility of the 
Government of Andhra Pradesh. The 
Government of India brought to the 
notice of the State Government the poor 
quality of work being done in the bar- 
rage, and allegations against existing 
set-up of officers. The State Govern- 
ment were requested to review the posi- 
tion and post an entirely new group of 



151 Written Answers 


AUOUS t 22, 1912 


WtittihAntfoers lft 


officers with strict instructions to execute 
the work with full attention to quality 
eontroL 

Controversy over administrative control 
of Bharat Heavy Electricals and Heavy 
Electricals Ltd. 

3170. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a controversy 
between his Ministry and Industrial 
Development Ministry over the question 
of administrative control of Bharat 
Heavy Electricals and Heavy Electrical 
Ltd. ; 

(b) whether Government have consi- 
dered the recommendation made by the 
recent Conference of State Ministers of 
Irrigation and Power that the adminis- 
trative control of these two industries 
should be transferred to Ministry of 
Irrigation and Power ; and 

(c) if so, the decision taken by 
Government thereon? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
to (c). Tne Ministry of Irrigation and 
Power is in correspondence with the 
Ministry of Industrial Development 
about the administrative control of the 
Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. and the 
Heavy Electricals (India) Ltd. 

Free Railway Passes to Employees to 
travel from suburban residence to place 
of duty 

3171. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the employees of Central 
and Western Railways get free Railway 
passes to travel from their suburban 
residence to their place of duty ; 

(b) whether their counterparts 
working in Northern Railway get such 
passes on payment only ; and 

(c) if so, the reasons for this dis- 
crimination ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes, in speci- 
fied sections. 

(b) On Northern Railway free resi- 
dential card passes are permissible in 


the t)eihi=Shakufhasti and 
gahj-Tilak Bridge Sections. In other 
Suburban Sections, the facility of cdn» 
cessional season tickets is available. 

(e) Free Railway passes have been 
granted in suburban sections only where 
such facilities were in force prior to 
14-12-1953. 

Recognition of North FHIem 
Railway Mazdoor Union 

3172. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 
Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a representation had 
been made to the Railway Minister on 
13th May, 1972 about some persons 
getting recognition by the Railway 
Administration (North Eastern Railway) 
impersonating in the name of the North 
Eastern Railway Mazdoor Union and 
the Railway Minister had assured to 
refer the matter to the Law Department 
to ascertain if the correction can be 
made at that stage, if so, the result 
thereof, and 

(b) whether the impersonators had 
secured illegal registration at Patna in 
the name of the North Eastern Railway 
Mazdoor Union which is already regis- 
tered at Kanpur, if so, Government’s 
reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
SHRI T. A. PAI): (a) and (b). A 
rift developed within the North Eastern 
Railway Mazdoor Union in August, 
1965. Since then two groups of that 
Union have been functioning under the 
same name. For some time, the 
Administration did not deal with either 
of the groups. 

Towards the middle of 1970, one 
group was granted facilities to deal with 
the Administration. That group has got 
itself registered under the same name 
with the Registrar of Trade Unions 
Bihar, Patna. This registration was 
cancelled by the Registrar of Trade 
Unions, Bihar, on 14-7-1972, but the 
operation of that Order has been stayed 
by the District Judge, Patna. 

The other group has been claiming 
recognition and on 13-5-1972, some 
persons met the Minister for Railways. 
After discussion, the Minister for Rail- 
ways stated that since important legal 
issues were involved, he will seek legal 
advice. The ifcatter is receiving consi- 
deration. This group contlfittea to be 



ask WritmMama SRAYANA 31, ff*f (J5AKA) WMmAluwtrS 154 


fai.tera d with the Registrar of Trade 
r jBons. U.P., Kanpur till recently. 
Bgwwtti the Registrar of Trade Unions, 
U.p. baa cancelled the registration on 
"31-7-1972. 


Faulty CompBaflon of Export 
Dote forl971-72 

3173. SHR1 N. K. SANGHI : 

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 

Will the Minister of FOREIGN 
TRADE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government's attention 
has been drawn to the news item 
appearing in the 'Statesman' dated the 
27th July, 1972 under the caption 
"Compilation of export data faulty” ; 

(b) if so, the quantum of actual 
■exports and the quantum of exports 
according to the figures compiled by the 
Director General of Commercial Intelli- 
gence and Statistics; and 

(c) the steps being envisaged to 
streamline the procedure to ensure that 
■correct statistics are maintained to faci- 
litate proper planning ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Yes, 

Sir. 

(b) India’s exports including re- 
exports during April-December, 1971 
according to the DGCI&S’s initial com- 
pilations amounted to Rs. 1194 crores 
but subsequently this figure was revised 
to Rs. 1153 crores and the figures of 
exports for the year 1971-72 was placed 
at Rs. 1567 crores. Recently it has 
however been discovered that substantial 
exports to Bangladesh were not included 
in these figures. This matter is being 
investigated further. 

(c) A Committee is looking into it. 


Wagon deal with Yugoslavia 

3174. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

’(a) whether Railway wagon deal to 
supply 3600 units to Yugoslavia has run 
into rough weather and that Yugoslavia 
is likely to invoke the penalty provisions 
for late supply of wagons by India ; 

(b) whether Government have made 
sure that the agencies entrusted with the 
manufacture or wagons are supplied 


with necessary raw materials id time for 
competing the job as per schedule j 

(c) whether the State Trading Corpo- 
ration before completing the deal had 
finalised contracts with agencies in 
Yugoslavia for assembling the wagons 
exported to Yugoslavia in knocked- 
down condition and whether penalty 
provisions are incorporated in the con- 
tracts ; and 

(d) whether the agencies in India and 
Yugoslavia will share any part of penalty 
in case Yugoslavia enforoes the penalty 
Provisions, if any, in the agreement ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRI A. C. GEORGE) : (a) Con- 
tractually, delivery of wagons is to 
start in January/February, 1973. As 
such, the invoking of penalty provisions 
at this stage does not arise. However, 
three of the wagon builders have not yet 
finalised their contracts with Yugoslav 
assemblers for assembly of wagons. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) Alongwith signing the wagon 
Contract, the main points regarding 
assembly including detailed technical 
operations, price, delivery schedule, 
broad payment terms etc., were settled 
and Protocols signed. Formal assembly 
contracts on the basis of the Protocols 
including mutual penalty provisions 
were to be finalised by the wagon 
builders individually. 

(d) For Indian default, penalties will 
be borne by Indian agencies concerned. 
For Yugoslav default, Yugoslav agencies 
have accepted penalties in proportion to 
the value of work done by them. 

Indo-Sudan Trade Agreement 

3175. SHRI N. K. SANGHI : Will 
the Minister of FOREIGN TRADE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Indb-Sudan trade has 
come to a stand-still ; 

(b) if so, whether both the countries 
have fulfilled their respective obligations 
under the agreement reached last year; 

(c) if not, the unfulfilled obligations 
of either country and what steps are 
being taken to ensure that the agreement 
is fully complied with ; and 

(d) whether some Indian exporters 
to Sudan are not able to discharge the 
commitments already made 7 



135 Written Answers, 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


Written Answers 1SS 


TUB DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
(SHRl A. C. GEORGE) : (a) to (d) 
India dnd Sudan have U nilateral Trade 
arrangement under whieh the trade bet- 
ween the two countries is conducted 
through a non-covertible Special Ac- 
counts maintained by the State Bank 
of India, Bombay. This Trade Arrange- 
ment is valid for the period 1st July 
1971 to 31st December, 1972. 

2. Under the current Trade Arrange- 
ment, a ceiling of pound 28.8 million 
was provided for Sudanese imports from 
India as against their exports of pounds 
33 milion. These ceilings were meant 
for the entire duration of the Trade 
Arrangement. On the other hand, we 
realized in the end of June 1972 that 
the Sudanese side had already exceeded 
the overall ceiling of pounds 28.8 mil- 
lion worth of imports from India. This 
created a situation in which there were 
still six months of the current Trade 
Plan to go and no finances were availa- 
ble within the Trade Plan for further 
Sudanese imports from India. Since we 
had already fulfilled our obligation of 
supplying them specified goods from 
India worth pounds 28.8 milion and as 
there were no more funds available, we 
had to put a temoporary halt on further 
exports of goods from India to Sudan. 
On the other hand, Sudan has so far 
supplied us cotton worth only about 
pounds 20 million. We are in constant 
touch with the Sudanese Government 
and are hopeful of sorting out soon 
these difficulties which have crept into 
the working of the Indo-Sudanese Trade 
Arrangement. For this purpose, we 
are expecting a Sudanese Trade Delega- 
tion in New Delhi soon so that the 
smooth flow of trade between the two 
countries can be resumed. 

Supply of electricity to Uttar Pradesh 

3176. SHRI B. R. SHUKLA : Will 
the Minister of IRRIGATION AND 
POWER be pleased tb state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
take some special measures for supplying 
electricity to the Districts of Uttar 
Pradesh identified as industrially back- 
ward ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the 
proposal ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 


and (b) Schemes for electrification of 
backward districts are already being 
financed through loans from the Rural 
Electrification Corporation on more 
liberal terms than for other areas. 

For the industrially backward districts 
of Eastern U.P., a special power gene- 
ration scheme has been proposed with a 
2X200 MW power station at Gorakh- 
pur. The first 200 MW set is proposed 
to be commissioned in the Fifth Five 
Year Plan. 

Railway attendant of the Delhi-Round 
Lucknow Express thrown out of the 
compartment 

3177. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of RAIL- 
WAYS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Railway attendant of 
the Delhi-bound Lucknow Express was 
thrown out of the compartment on 1st 
June, 1972; 

(b) if so, whether any arrest has so 
far been made in this connection ; and 

(c) if not, what action has so far 
been taken in the matter? 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PAI) : (a) Yes. 

(h) and (c) 3 accused were involved 
in this case. Of these one died while 
jumping out of the train, second accused 
was arrested and the third surrendered 
in Court. The case is under investiga- 
tion with Government Railway Police, 
Lucknow. 

Dharna by the employees of Delhi Elec- 
tric Supply undertaking 

3178. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether workers of the Delhi 
Electric Supply Undertaking recently 
staged ‘dharna’ outside the office of the- 
DESU, New Delhi ; and 

(b) if so, the main demands of the 
workers and Government’s reaction 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
and (b) The General Council of the 1 
Delhi State Electricity Workers Union in: 



15 jjf Re ; Incidents SR A VAN A 

its meeting held on 24th July, 1972 
decided to staged Dhama for 48 hours 
from 8*00 AM on the 26th July, 1972 
for alleged non-fulfilment of the fol- 
lowing demands : — 

1 . Constitution of State Electricity 
Board. 

2. Filling of the vacant posts. 

3. Promotions as per agreed chan- 
nel of promotions. 

4. Revision of pay scales of the 
remaining categories. 

5. Removal of bi-monthly billing 
system. 

6. Proper implementation of the 
various office orders issued by 
the General Manager, etc. etc. 

While demand No. (1) above is under 
consideration of the Government of 
India, the DESU Management held a 
meeting with the Worker’s Union on 
3-8-72, when some of the other points 
were settled. The DESU Management 
is doing everything possible to consider 
the demands of the Union. 

Cot lpletion of Mahanadi Project 
(Orissa) 

3179. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of IRRI- 
GATION AND POWER be pleased to 
stale : 

(a) the time by which the Mahanadi 
Project (Orissa) is likely to be comple- 
ted ; and 

(b) the total cost of the project ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 
POWER (SHRI B. N. KUREEL) : (a) 
The Mahanadi Delta project of Orissa 
is likely to be completed towards the 
end of the fifth Plan. 

(b) Rs. 68.38 crores. 


12 His. 

RE: INCIDENTS AT SHAHDARA 

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Nitiraj Singh 
Ghoudhary. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS Rose. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 
The Home Minister made a state- 
ment. • • 

6—11 L.S.S /72 


31, 1894 (SAKA) w fhahkfaa m 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour): About the adjourn- 
ment motion I am told that it has 
not been allowed. Will you allow it. 
Sir ? . . . ( Interruptions ) We had been 
to Shahdara this morning and we have 
seen the atrocities the Police have 
committed there. We had been there 
for three hours. What we have seen 
is a shame for any civilisation and that 
too, right under the nose of the Cen- 
tral Government. I have written to 
you a letter. 

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Yester- 
day you were kind enough to give us 
permission but we could not muster 
50 Members. Our leader Shri Indrajit 
Gupta had been there yesterday. We 
have received numerous complaints 
from the Government employees stay- 
ing there. We have heard about these 
police atrocities and we have seen what 
is being done there, Sir. Even women 
have been beaten up mercilessly. I 
would request you to ask the Minister 
to make a statement so that on the 
basis of such a statement we can dis- 
cuss this matter. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali- 
pore) : It is true that the Minister 
announced on the floor of both the 
Houses yesterday that a judicial enquiry 
had been ordered into all these aspects 
of the events except the murder. Ap- 
pointment of judicial enquiry, I submit, 
does not preclude discussion in the 
House. May I point out to you. Sir, 
a precedent in this regard? If you 
remember, Sir, a few years back, when 
the Maharaja of Bastar was killed in 
his palace in Jagdalpur in Madhya 
Pradesh, a judicial enquiry was order- 
ed, but, in spite of that, the House did 
discuss the whole matter. It is very 
extrordinary if these events take place 
here in the capital city of India and 
the Lok Sabha is not in a position to 
discuss it in any shape or form. This 
is a very strange thing. You yourself 
was very disturbed on it and quite 
correctly and what is the use of order- 
ing a judicial enquiry when the atro- 
cities are still going* on, Sir? J had 



159 


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AUGUST 22, 19*2 


at Shohadota 


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bent there yesterday i afternoon; they 
are beating people mi^scriminately. It 
fe my submiision that the House must 
be allowed to discuSt this matter in 
some shape or form, Sir. 

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MR. SPEAKER : It is unfortunate. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A 
letter was delivered at your residence, 
pointing out certain things; I have no 
doubt you would have been kind 
enough to go through that. I had been 
there in Balbimagar area for 3 hours; 
I had been to the hospital. I have 
never before seen such police atrocities. 
They had raided house to house; they 
did not spare women, old persons, and 
even children. It is strange that Lok 
Sabha cannot discuss such a matter. 
Judicial enquiry is not sub-judice , 
number one. Judicial enquiiy is one 
covering the death of Mr. Onkar 
Singh. But, the police atrocities is a 
matter which should be discussed here. 

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SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: How 
can we elicit information unless you 
allow some kind of a discussion? 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Cantai) : If 
this dastardly thing, happening in the 
very capital of our country, is going 
on and if this august House is not 
being given the opportunity to discuss, 
it what will be the effect, what will be 
the impression that the people will 
have, Sir? 

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is also 
your responsibility Sir, to see that such 
a matter is allowed to be discussed in 
the House in some form or the other. 
The Minister may make a statement 
and on the basis of the statement the 
discussion may be held or on some 
Motion the discussion can be held. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Under 
Rule 180. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : When this matter was 
raised yesterday, Government announc- 
ed that they were going to. appoint a 
judicial enquiry. Is it your pleasure 
to let the matter rest at what the Gov- 
ernment had said about it» or should 
the House be seized of the matter — be- 
cause of the seriousness of the matter — 
in some form or other early so, that a 
discussion could take place? There is 
no point in discussing this matter 
after two days or three days. Why 



SRAVANA 31, 1S94 ( SARA ) ttShahadar* 


l£$ Re : BUfflents 

cflbuot we proceed to have a discussion 
on this matter here and now even 
though the Adjournment Motion was 
aoft allowed by you? 

MR. SPEAKER : Regarding the 
Adjournment Motion yesterday, I 
fulfilled all the requirements. The 
otdy reason it could not come up is, 
you could not muster enough strength. 
Otherwise you did have enough time. 
Even after Question Hour you were 
insisting. Even after waiting for about 
an hour, you could not muster enough 
strength. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Do 
you know the reason, Sir? 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not bound 
to know the reason; I have to count 
your heads. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr. 
Manoharan is in Willingdon hospital 
and Members went to the hospital 
yesterday. , . 

MR. SPEAKER : Anybody may fall 
ill; that is not an argument. Can we 
wait till Mr. Manoharan is enabled to 
come over here? That is not a relevant 
point. I allowed it, in the meawhile, 
after the count the Minister came out 
with the statement that they had al- 
ready instituted a judicial enquiry into 
the matter. I have read the procedure 
aqjain and the old rulings on the sub- 
ject. Of course the case of murder is 
bound to be Mib-judice when the 
magistrate takes charge of the affairs. 
I agree with you on one thing. We 
have to think of some means by which 
the facts may come before the House. 
The Minister should come with some 
factual statement avoiding any matter 
which may influence the judicial en- 
quiry. Even if we allow any discus^ 
sion, that is not permissible, because of 
this decision already taken for the 
judicial enquiry. If he comes out with 
a factual statement, I think, it will be 
all right 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: With 
all due respect to you, Sir, may I 
make a submission? What you are 
saying just now would have created 
yesterday a very anomalous position, 
because the hon. Minister announced 
the decision for a judicial inquiry 
before you had asked us to rise in 
our seats. If only two more Mem- 
bers had been present yesterday, the 
discussion would have taken place in 
spite of the hon. Minister's announce- 
ment 


m 

MR SPEAKER: I had allowed it 
because at that time, I bad given my 
consent already; after I bad given xhy 
consent if the hon. Minister had 
come forward with some announce* 
ment I could not take back my con- 
set • because of that, and therefore I 
allowed a voting on it 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Are 
ou aware of the fact that after the 
on. Minister had made the statement 
in the House, the police had raided 
houses in the afternoon. . . 

MR. SPEAKER: I would request 
the hon. Minister to make an inquiry 
into that and make a factual statement 
about it. 

SHRI VASANT SAIHE (Akola): 
If there is a discussion in the House, 
it would certainly prejudice the judicial 
inquiry.- So, what is the point in dis- 
cussing the matter? 

MR: SPEAKER: The Secretaiy has 
just informed me that the hon. Minister 
has already accepted a short notice 
question over it. I shall be quite 
liberal in allowing supplementary 
questions. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about 
the point raised by me regarding mis- 
reporting of the proceedings of this 
House by All India Radio? 

MR. SPEAKER : I have nothing 
before me in writing. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
My hon. friend may give it in writing. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After 
the hon. Minister had made a statement 
here, in the afternoon, between 1 p.m. 
and 3 p.m., the police had raided the 
houses in certain areas in Shahdara. 
It is a serious matter. We cannot 
allow the police to assume the role of 
beating up and breaking the heads of 
men, women and children. When such 
a thing is happening, we cannot re- 
main silent spectators and abide by the 
rules. I am very sorry to say this. 
You must allow us to have a discussion 
on this. 

MR. SPEAKER : How can I allow 
it? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Let 
there be a discussion. Let the House 
and whole world know how civilised 
this Government is. We have already 
tabled a motion. Why are you reluc- 
tant to allow a discussion on that 
motion? 



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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : A short 
notice question is no answer to the 
seriousness of the problem. . . 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
This is an anti-climax that only a 
short notice question should be allow- 
ed on a subject of such great public 
importance. This is an anti-climax. 
( Interruptions ) . 


MR. SPEAKER : There is no ques- 
tion of any discussion. A factual 
statement will be given before the 
House and then hon. Members can 
ask questions on it. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We 
want a regular detailed discussion. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not try 
to make out as if some discussion is 
stifled. The very first opportunity was 
given to hon. Members to bring this 
up. In spite of the fact that there was 
opposition from the Treasury Benches, 
and from the Ministers, I allowed it. 
After that, the only possible thing is, 
and I have already laid it before you, 
that after the judicial inquiry, 
the scope becomes vfcry limited, and it 
becomes only a factual statement. The 
short notice question is already there, 
and hon. Members can ask questions 
on the factual position tomorrow. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What 
you arc saying, Sir, is not right. . . 

MR. SPEAKER: Let him not do it 
every time. 


MR. SPEAKER : That is not tb$ 
way of doing things. . . " 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I may 
tell you that the judicial inquiry is 
being held to go into the question of 
the murder of Shri Onkar Singh, Home 
Guard officer. The judicial inquiry 
does not cover the beating up of the 
people of Shahdara. We are concern- 
ed about this; we are more concerned 
about the raids conducted by the 
police. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : That inquiry is 
about everything. . . 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : We do 
not even know the scope of the judicial 
inquiry. The hon. Minister has not 
indicated that. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Is it your pleasure that the important 
and urgency of this matter does not 
warrant anything more than a short 
notice question? 

MR SPEAKER : When the short 
notice question comes up and the hon. 
Minister replies to the question, he 
may ask anything on it. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
A short notice question is a mockery. 
That means belittling the importance 
of the subject, and we may have to 
think of denying ourselves the short 
notice question. It is no use participat- 
ing in the short notice question on this 
subject. 

Mr. SPEAKER: After the adjourn- 
ment motion had been tabled, I had 
allowed it, but hon. Members did not 
come up with the requisite number. 
Am I belittling the importance or are 
the hon. Members belittling its impor- 
tance? I had allowed it, because 1 
thought that it was a very important 
matter which must be discussed. ( In • 
tet nipt ions) wSo, let not. Shri Jyotirmoy 
Bosu try to justify himself in this 
manner. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: We 
have already given notice of a motion 
under rule 184. 

MR. SPEAKER : Now, Papers to be 
Laid on the Table. 


SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU: lam 
sony to say so. . . 



SRAVANA 31, 

12.15 bn. 

PAPER LAID ON THE TABLE 

Notification under Represen* 
tation of People Act. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE (SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH 
CHAUDHARY) : I beg to lay on the 
Table a copy of Notification No. S.O. 
372(E) (Hindi and English versions) pub- 
lished in Gazette of India dated the 22nd 
May, 1972 making certain amendment 
in Schedule VII to the Delimitation of 
Parliamentary and Assembly Consti- 
tuencies Order, 1966 in respect of the 
Statje of Kerala, under sub-section (2) 
of faction 9 of the Representation of 
the People Act, 1950. [Placed in 
Library. See No. LT— 3465/72.] 


PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES 
—SUMMARY OF WORK 

SECRETARY: Sir, I lay on the Table 
a copy of the “Parliamentary Com- 
mittees — Summary of Work” pertaining 
to the period March, 1971 to May, 
1972. 


12.16 hrs. 

MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY : Sir, I hav e to 
report the following messages received 
from the Secretery of Rajya Sabha : — 

(i) “In accordance with the provi- 
sions of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 
of the Rules of Procedure and 
Conduct of Business in the 
Rajya Sabha, I am directed to 
return herewith the Income-tax 
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, which 
was passed by the Lok Sabha 
at its sitting held on the 17th 
August, 1972, and transmitted 
to the Rajya Sabha for its re- 
commendations and to state that 
this House has no recommenda- 
tions to make to the Lok 
Sabha in regard to the said Bill.” 

(ii) “In accordance with the pro- 
visions of rule 127 of the Rules 
of Procedure and Conduct of 
Business in the Rajya Sabha, I 
am directed to inform the Lok 
Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, at 


1894 (ISAKA) Rt : Tncldents 166 

at Shahadra 

its sitting held on the 21at 
August, 1972, agreed without 
any amendment to the Public 
Debt (Amendment) Bill, 1972, 
which was passed by the Lok 
Sabha at its sitting held on the 
17th August, 1972.” 


SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR 
GRANTS (GENERAL), 1972-73 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): I beg to 
present a statement showing Supple- 
mentary Demands for grants in respect 
of the Budget (General) for 1972-73. 

12.17 his. 

RE: INCIDENTS AT SHAHDARA — 

Contd. 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We 
are the elected representatives of the 
people here, and we are coming here to 
do our duty to the people. We are 
not here to watch a circus show. . . 

MR SPEAKER: He did not do his 
duty yesterday. We know it. I have 
to inform the House. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am 
very sorry : 

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THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ 
BAHADUR) : I would certainly con- 
vey your ruling to the hon. Minister 
concerned that he should make a 
factual statement tomorrow. If the 
House be so pleased, he is also prepar- 
ed to accept a short notice question 
tomorrow. 



167 Re : fncUenii AUGUST 22, 1*72 at Shahdara tfg 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why 
not a motion under fide 184? {Inter- 
ruptions). 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I shall 
convey your ruling to him that he has 
to make a factual statement either this 
afternoon or tomorrow morning. We 
can go further and we can ask him 
to accept a short notice question also 
and if there are any questions he may 
answer them. 

SHRI JAGANATHARAO JOSHI : 
Why not a calling-attention-notice? 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What 
is wrong with a calling-attention-notice? 

SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU : It is a 
shameful thing that . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will go on 
record, if any hon. Member speaks 
without my permission. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want 
vour permission to make a submis- 
sion. You had thought the subject to be 
important enough to be put before the 
House in the shape of an adjournment 
motion so that the House could have 
an opportunity to discuss it. We 
thank you for that and for what you 
had done yesterday. But, now, do you 
realise, Sir, that after that, the atrocities 
committed by the police in the after- 
noon have added fuel to the fire, and 
today you do not even consider it fit 
enough for a substantive motion. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : The House has 
already given its decision on it. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: We have 
already said that the hon. Minister con- 
cerned will make a statement about it. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: What 
is your ruling, Sir, on the point that I 
had raised? 

MR SPEAKER : There is no ques- 
tion of ruling. The House has already 
rejected the adjournment; motion. After 
that, there can be no scope for anything 
else. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There 
is another motion now. 

MR. SPEAKER: I have already 
allowed the short notice question, and 
a factual statement in reply to that will 
come tomorrow. And non. Members 
can ask any number of questions. 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: On a 
point of order. 

MR. SPEAKER : Point of order on 
what? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: A point 
of order on the particular ruling. . . 

MR SPEAKER : This is no rating. 
I have just informed hon. Members 
that the decision was taken yesterday 
and it was not accepted. That is no 
ruling. Therefore, there is not point of 
order. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You have 
just said that you have allowed a short 
notice question. My submission is that 
a short notice question cannot be allow- 
ed by the Speaker, but it has to be 
allowed by the hon. Minister. . . 

MR. SPEAKER: It is we who send 
it to the hon. Minister. We do not 
send it if it is not relevant, and then 
it does not go to the hon. Minister at 
all. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We 
express our resentment at the attitude 
shown by you. 

MR. SPEAKER: Let him not make 
up for his slips yesterday on this 
issue. I do not allow it. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: On a point 
of order. . . 

MR. SPEAKER: I am on my legs. 
There can be no point of order while 
I am standing. 


12.20 hrs. 

CONVICTION OF MEMBERS 

MR. SPEAKER : I have to inform 
the House that I have received the 
following wireless message dated 21st 
August, 1972 from the District Magis- 
trate, Moradabad: 

“Shri Virendra Agarwala, Mem- 
ber, Lok Sabha, was arrested for 
violation of section 144, Criminal 
Procedure Code today, at Morada- 
bad, under orders of the District 
Magistrate. Case tried and con- 
victed under sec. 188, Indian 
Penal Code, to undergo imprison- 
ment till rising of Court by Magis- 
trate, Moradabad, and released 
after serving sentence”. 



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I have also to inform the House that 
I nave received the following wireless 
message, dated 21st August, 1972 from 
the Sub-Divisional Magistrate, Banda, 
Uttar Pradesh : 

“Shri R. R. Sharma, Member, 
Lok Sabha, who took out a pro- 
cession of Jan Sangh workers in 
the town, was arrested at about 
12.30 hours, today” — 

the same time which I had fixed for 
the motion here — 

“for breach of Prohibitory Orders 
promulgated under section 144, 
Criminal Procedure Code, in 
Banda town and was convicted 
under sec. 188, Indian Penal Code, 
and sentenced to imprisonment 
till rising of court and released at 
17.00 hours”. 

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and certain discussion takes risen on 
the basis of that; be could express 
certain opinion and we could also do 
SO. But the scope of a short notice 
question is only limited to eliciting 
certain information. 


MR. SPEAKER: He can ask supple* 
mentaxies about the factual situation. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The state- 
ment should be made by the Minister 
and on the basis of that some discus- 
sion should be allowed. My humble 
submission to you is that you should 
not back out of that suggestion. 


SOME HON. MEMBERS: rose— 


MR. SPEAKER : No more discus- 
sion an this. 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Somo 
Lok Sabha Secretariat class IV em- 
ployees are coming from the Shahdara 
area. They are facing a lot of 
difficulties because of the beating by 
the police. In the case of a short 
notice question, the scope and time axe 
limited. You will just ring the bell 
and cut short the questions. I would 
request you to allow some sort of 
discussion. Otherwise, it will mean 
an encouragement to the Delhi police 
to continue their beating of the people. 


MR. SPEAKER: After the short 
notice question, he may ask suppl»> 
mentaries. 


12.21 hra. 

RE : INCIDENTS AT 
SHAHDARA — Contd. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: On a point 
of order. You had said that the 
Minister should make a statement and 
on the basis of that there might be a 
factual discussion. Subsequent to that, 
you said that a short notice question 
is going to be admitted. Is it not a 
fact that the purpose of the short 
notice question is only to elicit infor- 
mation, nothing more? But if a state- 
ment is made on the floor of the House 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : No Minis- 
ter has visited the place and seen what 
is happenihg there. Does the Minister 
want that the Yamuna water should 
also go red ? (j Interruptions ). 

MR. SPEAKER : This is a matter 
in regard to which a judicial inquiry 
has already been announced. 

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AUGUST 22, 1972 Iron and Steal Co. tti, Bill 172 


12.24 hr*. 

KHADI AND OTHER HANDLOOM 
INDUSTRIES DEVELOPMENT 
(ADDITIONAL EXCISE DUTY ON 
CLOTH) AMENDMENT BILL* 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN TRADE 
TSHRI A. C. GEORGE) : On behalf of 
Shri L. N. Mishra, I beg to move for 
leave to introduce a Bill further to 
.amend the Khadi and other Handloom 
Industries Development (Additional 
.Excise duty on Cloth) Act, 1953. 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

“That leave be granted to introduce 
Bill further to amend the Khadi 
and other Handloom Industries 
Development (Additional Excise 
duty on Cloth) Act, 1953”. 

The motion was adopted. 

SHRI A. C. GEORGE : I introduce t 
the Bill. 


12.25 hrs. 

STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE DIS- 
APPROVAL OF INDIAN IRON 
AND STEEL COMPANY (TAKING 
OVER OF MANAGEMENT) 
ORDINANCE 
and 

INDIAN IRON AND STEEL COM- 
PANY (TAKING OVER OF 
MANAGEMENT) BILL — Contd. 

MR. SPEAKER: The House will 
now resume further discussion of the 
following resolution moved by Dr. L. 
N. Pandeya on 21st August 1972, 
namely: 


terest and in order, to secure the 
proper management of the under- 
taking, be taken into considera- 
tion”. 

Three hours had been allotted of 
which 50 minutes have already been 
taken. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 
The time should be increased. 

MR. SPEAKER: We will try to ad- 
just. 

Shri S. S. Sokhi will continue his 
speech. 

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"This House disapprove of the 
Indian Iron and Steel Company 
(Taking over of Management) 
Ordinance, 1972, (Ordinance No. 
6 of 1972) promulgated by the 
President on the* 14th July, 1972”. 

and further consideration of the follow- 
ing motion moved by Shri S. Mohan 
Kumaramangalam on the 2lst August 
1972, namely: 

“That the Bill to provide for the 
taking over of the management of 
tiie undertaking of the Indian Iron 
and Steel Company Limited Cor a 
limited period in the public in- 


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dated 22-8-1972. 

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 
On a point of order. If I heard the 
hon. rjiember correct, he said that he 
asked one of the responsible officers of 
Bokaro steel plant ‘Why are you doing 
this?’ and he told him In reply, *We got 
something signed by the Minister with- 
out knowing what he is signing’. This 
is a serious allegation. Who is that 
officer? He may have differences with 
Shri Kumaramangalam. But we are 
sure a man of Shri Kumaramangalam’s 
calibre will look into his papers before 
putting his signature on them. 

MR. SPEAKER: This is no point of 
order. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Let him 
mention the name of the officer. 

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SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD 
(Bhagaipur): I rise on a point of 
order. I do not approve of what Mr. 
Sokhi has said but I certainly do not ap- 
prove of what Mr. Banerjee said. He 
says that there is a certain company 
which has written a nasty letter against 
the hon. Member. 1 think it is not fair 
for one Member to attack another 
Member in this fashion. Mr. Baneijee 
will be hauled up, not once but many 
times in this House in the course of his 
own speeches when he names officers, 
when he condemns officers, when he 
condemns Ministers and others. Shall 
we be entitled to say that Mr. Baneijee 
has got certain political motive and 
that is why he is speaking like that? 
That is not fair for Mr. Banerjee. We 
may not agree with each other. I do 
not support the criticism of this hon. 
Member here, I do not like a Mem- 
ber of my own party to say like that 
about the Minister . . . ( Interruptions .) 
I am only rising a point of order. Was 
it- fair for him to say so about a new 
Member? He is an adept, he is there 
since 1957. He was dismissed from the 
Defence Ministry to come to Parliament; 
we were friends in the Defence em- 
ployees federation. But now he is 
harassing a new Member by saying that 
he must not speak about Bokaro be- 
cause somebody had written something 
about him. You must decide whether 
he is entitled to say that. It is not fair 
to say so and bamboozle him like that. 

MR. SPEAKER: I have already said 
to Mr. Banerjee that it was not fair and 
it was not good criticism. But my 
friend here should also speak with res- 
traint. 

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AUGUST 22, 1972 Iron and Steel co . etc* Bill 1 86 


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SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali- 
pore): Mr. Speaker, Sir, this step the 
Government has taken is, of course, 
welcome and there has been fairly 
wide-spread public support for it. The 
Minister was rather anxious yesterday 
that the opposition should express its 
approval to (his step. Well, we certainly 
approve of it, welcome it. But he 
should not misunderstand the criticism 
that we make of the delay on the part 
of the government in taking this step. 
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tary that a major concern of this type 
is allowed by its management to reach 
the brink of disaster before the gov- 
ernment thinks of stepping in. Because, 
the effect of this now will be that in 
order to put this plant back on its feet 
an enormous capital expenditure will 
be incurred which the tax-payer of this 
country will have to pay ultimately. 

It is not as though this crisis deve- 
loped overnight. It is not as though the 
government was taken by surprise sud- 
denly when it found that production 
had declined to a very alarmingly low 
level. This was a trend which was going 
on for a considerably long time and the 
Government was not unaware of it. As 
the Minister himself pointed out yester- 
day, Government always had three or 
four nominated directors on the 
board, including the Chairman of 
Hindustan Steel, the Secretary of the 
Ministry, high officials of the Life Insu- 
rance Corporation and others. These 
people were there, and they were sup- 
posed to act as the watchdogs of the 


government in a company where 57 or 
58 per cent of the share capital is 
field by various government agencies. 
So, what I mean to say is, that over this 
period of time, for several years the 
company’s affairs were definitely being 
mismanaged and, it seems to me, the 
Government was thoroughly compla- 
cent and it was not prepared to act 
against this management which was 
out for profits and was mining the 
capabilities of this plant. 

For example, take the loan agree- 
ment which was signed by the Company 
in July 1966 to get — I forget how 
many crores of rupees — from the 
World Bank to finance, what the Com- 
pany called, its Balancing of Plant 
Project. By the time the foreign ex- 
change component of this loan was 
sanctioned, by 1969, the World Bank 
itself was asking for a reappraisal of 
the Company’s project. As far as I am 
able to understand, the reason for the 
World Bank’s concern was that when 
it went into the balancing of plant pro- 
ject, perhaps it found that the Com- 
pany was not very much concerned 
about the crisis of the coke ovens 
which, as the Minister has correctly 
pointed out, was the key to the entire 
crisis of production. The Company 
was only talking about the modernisa- 
tion of blast furnace capacity; it was 
not bothering at all about the very 
serious deterioration taking place ove? 
the years in the coke ovens. Whatever it 
may be, sometime between March 
1970 and March 1971 the World Bank 
cancelled the loan. According to Shrl 
Raghunatha Reddi — I am quoting his 
reply to a question of mine last week — 

“The World Bank cancelled the 
loan because it was not satisfied 
that the management of the Com- 
pany was sound.” 

If the World Bank was convinced of 
the unsoundness of the management of 
this Company so long ago, are we to 
take it that this was unknown to the 
government? It could not be. In spite 
of that, we find that even in 1966 con- 
sent was given by the Government to 
this Company to issue bonus shares to 
the extent of Rs. 12.44 crores. 
That means, they are capitalising 
their reserves, not using their re- 
serves for modernisation and rehabili- 
tation of the plant, and this consent 
was also given by the Government in 



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the Department of Company Affairs. 
So, they knew all these matters which 
were going on. 

The Company had also undertaken, 
what it called, its development project 
of the Chasnalla colliery, which is a 
captive mine of this Company. The ex- 
traordinary thing is you will find in the 
annual reports of the company for the 
year ending 31st March 1970 and 31st 
March 1971 they have admitted that 
actually because of this colliery project 
of their own, they were securing cer- 
tain advantages which perhaps was not 
available to other steel plants. For 
example, they say in their report for 
the year 1970: 

“The quantity of purchased coal 
from the Jitpur colliery, which is 
processed at the Chasnalla was- 
hery, has made a significant con- 
tribution to the operation of the 
blast furnaces. 1 ’ 

Thus, only two years ago they were 
talking about how well they were doing, 
in 1971 they say: 

“The supply of coal by the rope- 
way helped in maintaining a rea- 
sonable stock of coking coal at 
Bumpur when all other steel plants 
m the country experienced great 
difficulty in obtaining supplies of 
coking coal”. 

So, on the one hand, this Company has 
been trying to show that it is im- 
plementing a certain project for the 
supply of coking coal lrom its own 
captive mine from which it says it is 
deriving some benefit. On the other 
hand, throughout this period we find 
that production has been falling catas- 
trophically in the steel plant, as the 
Minister pointed out; I do not want to 
repeat those figures again. 

My point is that the Government of 
India cannot wash its hands of its moral 
responsibility for what has happened. 
It was in the know of things all along. 
It was the Government of India which 
was ultimately the guarantor of the 
loans to the Company from the World 
Bank and from the International Bank 
of Reconstructed and Development. It 
is the Government, directly or indirect- 
ly, which was the main shareholder to 
the extent of 58 per cent. Therefore, 
what I mean to say is that now the 
country and the people of this country 


will have to pay much more than they 
would have had to pay if the govern- 
ment had acted earner, more swiftly, 
more determinedly to put this Company 
back on its feet. 


I would also like to raise a ques- 
tion about the mechanics of this take- 
over. Yesterday when somebody raised 
the question about this take-over for a 
limited period of two years only, what 
is meant exactly, the Minister has 
clarified one point for which I am 
grateful. He says there is no question 
of our handing back the management 
of the Company at the end of two years 
to the old management. But the ques- 
tion which remains and which I would 
like him to clarify further is this. Obvi- 
ously, the management will not be 
given to the old management which was 
responsible for creating this state of 
affairs. That anybody can understand. 
But, has the government ruled out the 
possibility of handing the Company 
back to a newly constituted manage- 
ment? Perhaps, some people will be 
removed, some new directors will be 
put in, and that will be shown as a 
new management, and after the tax- 
payers’ money has been spent in reha- 
bilitation, in recuperation, of the sick 
unit, the management of the Company 
will be handed over to a new manage- 
ment. Is that not possible? We are op- 
posed to this whole idea. Wc want to 
know why this take-over should not 
clearly be conceived of as the first step 
towards total nationalisation. The case 
for nationalisation is very strong. 1953 
was the year whe n the 1ISCO and Steel 
Corporation of Bengal were amalgamat- 
ed into the present Company. From 
that date, from 1953 upto 1971, the 
issued and subscribed capital of this 
Company increased four times, from 
Rs. 7.88 crores to Rs. 27.58 crorea. 
The reserves of the Company increased 
seven times, from Rs. 611 crores to 
Rs. 42.44 trores, .despite the fact that 
they were allowed to float large amounts 
of bonus shares twice. Thirdly, the 
total amount ol dividends which has 
been distributed to share-holders 
amounted to Rs. 23.71 crores. So, as 
against whatever has been invested, 
much more than that has been taken 
out of this Company. So, the question 
of compensation and all that should not 
be such a big major hurdle here. They 
have taken much more out of this than 
they have ever invested into it. There- 
fore, a case for nationalisation is very 
strong. 



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[Sfari Indrajit Gupta] 

The bon Minister referred yesterday 
also to the fact that die erstwhile 
Managing agents, Martin Bum & Co* 9 
have continued to extract large sums 
from this Company even after the 
ma nag in g agency system was abolished. 
This is quite true. Not only that. The 
strange rbing is that the amount has 
Increased. This is the commentary on 
the working of the private sector. Al- 
most the same state of affairs is going 
on in umpteen number of companies 
which have not come to light. 

The Government brought a Bill to 
abolish the managing agency system 
primarily for the reason that it would 
prevent these managing agents from 
fleecing their managed companies large 
sums of money by way of commission. 
What do we find? The managing agents 
converted themselves into secretaries. 
The Martin Bum & Co. call themselves 
the secretaries of the Indian Iron & 
Steel Co. In the years from 1964 to 
1970. the highest amount that they had 
drawn as managing agents’ commission 
in any one year was Rs. 35 lakhs in 
1966 and now, after they have ceased 
to be managing agents, in the year 
1971 as secretaries, they drew an 
amount of Rs. 37.71 lakhs and, in 1972, 
it was Rs. 38.57 lakhs. They are actu- 
ally earning more now as secretaries 
than they were doing as managing 
agents. What is this big bluff? We have 
been told that managing agency system 
has been abolished and this is the kind 
of thing that has been going on 
throughout. 


Then, I asked the Minister a question 
whether, under clause 3, when this Bill 
is passed, all these existing contracts 
between the Indian Iron and Steel Co. 
and the Martin Bum & Co. will stand 
automatically terminated or not. As far 
as I understood him, if I understood 
him correctly, the Minister said that 
that i„s the intention* or the desire of 
the Government but he cannot say 
what the legal interpretation of that 
clause may turn out to be in case they 
seek to contest it. 


THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN 
KUMARAMANGALAM) : I do not 
leno.v what the courts will say ulti- 
ma' ely. 


SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: After 
*11, there may be a technical or a legal 
fiction also in the sense that all the 


existing contracts are terminated and 
new contracts are again entered into. 
This should be made quite dear. 

There is no hope of putting this 
company back on its feet if these huge- 
payments are going to be continued to 
be made to the Martin Bum & Co. or 
anybody else. 

Not only that This Company, al- 
though its production was going down 
so much in its main plant, was able to 
find Rs. 2 crores to invest outside West 
Bengal in a new concern called the 
Stanton pipe and Foundry Co. It is 
making a good profit. It did not have 
money to rehabilitate its own plant. 
You will find from its balance-sheets — 
I am just mentioning a few items; it is 
an extra-ordinary balance-sheet, profit 
and loss account, and so on — under the 
head “outstanding advances” that Rs. 
14.66 crores have been advanced on 
personal security only. The Company 
says that they have got no other secu- 
rity except personal security against 
which they have advanced Rs. 14.66 
crores. I do not know to whom, i would 
be interested to know who those people 
are. 

As far as the luxurious high salaries 
enjoyed by their top executives are con- 
cerned, I have got a list — I do not 
want to take much time of the House 
— and they are all in the range of Rs. 
8000. Rs. 7000 Rs. 6000 and Rs. 5000. 
These are what the top executives have 
been paid. Even now, I would like to 
draw the hon. Minister’s attention to 
the fact, since he may say that the 
existing set-up should not be changed 
overnight, that here is a top executive 
getting Rs. 5000 per month or more 
whereas the General Manager of the 
public sector Durgapur Steel Plant, my 
good friend Mr. Tulpule is getting a 
salary Rs. 3000 per month. Here are 
people getting Rs. 5000, Rs. 6000, Rs. 
7000 and Rs. 8000 in this private sec- 
tor concern. I am sure, the Minister 
is not going to reduce the salaries of 
these persons just now fearing that they 
may run away and he may not be able 
to get other people. . . 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM: Are you sure? 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I am 
provoking you to tell me what you 
want to do. 



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Another strange thing is that pre- 
fjaeiy at the time whe& the production 
amt down, the profits went up. The 
Minister also said it. This is what we 
have been maintaining always in every 
field, in private sector. The private sec- 
tor is interested in artificially restricting 
the production. By doing so, they can 
increase profits. It is between 1969 and 
1971 that the production came down 
by li lakh tonnes and, precisely, in 
that period, their profits. increased from 
Rs. 3.2 crores to Rs. 3.68 crores. How 
does it happen? Why should they be 
interested in production? Why should 
it not be that a gentleman like Mr. 
Ramnath Goenka, a few years ago, was 
so anxious to comer the shares of 
IISCO? I had raised it in this House. I 
understand it because there is a gold 
mine for a person like Mr. Ramnath 
Goenka who was trying to corner the 
majority shares. You do not have to go 
in for production. You can keep pro- 
duction restricted in the present condi- 
tions of steel market and still you can 
earn very high profits. 

So much for the past. I am, of 
course, not at all satisfied with what 
sort of role was played by these Gov- 
ernment Directors on the Board. We 
should know something about it.’ The 
Minister should at least look into that. 
They were there all this time. There 
was Mr. Sohonie of the L.I.C. and the 
great ICS Secretaries of his Ministry, 
at least two of them, one after the 
other, were Directors on the Board. 
What were they doing? 

Now, I would like to come to the 
present or the future rather and give 
a few suggestions as to what should 
be done. Here, in this statement ex- 
plaining the circumstances which neces- 
sitated promulgation of the Ordinance, 
the Minister himself has said that this 
crisis was due to, primarily, the direct 
result of three factors which he has 
stated. The first one, according to him, 
is “ineffective and unresponsive mana- 
gement at the top” Very correct it is. 
I want to know what is going to 
happen to that ineffective and un- 
responsive management. We find that 
the gentleman who was so long the 
Deputy General Manager (Production) 
— that was. his designation — that same 
gentleman, has been appointed the 
General Manager after the take-over. 
1 have nothing personal against that 
gentleman. But commonsense suggests 
that whoever was the Deputy General 


Manager (Production) during these 
yean of decline in production must 
have been responsible to a large extent 
for that sorry state of affairs* He has 
now been made the General Manager, 

Then, the gentleman who was the 
Chief Accountant of the Company has 
now been made the Financial Control- 
ler. I am only saying this to point out 
that it is difficult for us or for the pub- 
lic of this country to have any confi- 
dence that this plant will be able to run 
properly if it is going to be looked 
after by the same people who were res- 
ponsible in high executive posts for the 
catastrophe almost overtaking it. 

I would just draw the hon. Minister’s 
attention to the report of our own 
National Productivity Council which he 
must have studied on the iron and steel 
industry in the U.S.S.R. and Czecho- 
slovakia. ‘ Our National Productivity 
Council sent a team of highly qualified 
people and they submitted a report 
when they came back. I would just 
quote two or three lines. This is what 
they say: 

13 hrs. 

This is what they have said : 

“In the Soviet steel industry, planning 
is carried out by technical personnel 
with specific steel plant experience. Not 
only is the head of the steel plant an 
experienced engineer with iron-making, 
steel-making or rolling experience, but 
even the Director of Sovanarkhoz or 
Gosplan is a competent technical man 
who has worked his way through steel 
or other industrial plants before attain- 
ing his post.” 

Then the NPC says : 

“In India reverse is more or less true : 
the top management positions at the 
steel plant dnd in the bodies controlling 
the industry are often held by non-tech- 
nical men.” 

1 know that we suffer from a relative 
shortage of highly qualified technical 
men in this country still. But, neverthe- 
less, I would point this out to the Minis- 
ter: to undertake a big job like this, 
how does he expect the country to re- 
pose any confidence in those very same 
high executives who were there in the 
Indian Iron and Steel Company for 
making this state of affairs, to go on 
from year to year? 



187 Res. and India! AUQUST $2, *972, 


[Shri Indrajit QuptaJ^ 

Then I have a few r suggestions to 
make. 1 have tabled some amendments; 
1 wil) speak on those Iftter on. He has 
a proposal in the Bill to set up an Ad- 
visory Board consisting of ten persons. 
Very good. I would suggest that, on 
that Advisory Board, at least one or two 
members, preferably two, out of ten 
should represent also the workers, the 
labour, employed in that plant through 
their unions or some other way — some 
way can be devised. But out of ten who 
are to function as Advisory Board, at 
least two nominees should be represen- 
tatives of the organized labour in that 
plant. I think, it is high time that we 
gave up the old attitude towards the 
workers, that they have nothing to do 
with the actual operations and produc- 
tion in the shop, on the floor, and they 
are not in a position to give useful 
suggestions. This is not so. The men on 
the job in the shops, on the floor of the 
departments, working these complicated 
machines, are in a position and they are 
very often wanting to give technical 
suggestions, sound suggestions, but we 
cannot accept them in the present order 
of things because this is not considered 
to be the function of the workers, this 
is supposed to be the exclusive function 
of management, even though the 
management consists of only non-tech- 
nical people. I hope, he will consider 
this. 

Finally I would say another thing 
which has bedevilled this plant for a 
long time as in so many other plants— 
of course he knows from his own ex- 
perience in Durgapur — it is the question 
of industrial relations. This company, 
the old management headed by Sir Biren 
Mukherjee was always maintaining, 
what I should say, a completely outdat- 
ed, completely outmoded, conservative 
and reactionary attitude towards orga- 
nized labour. They were not prepared 
to associate organized labour in any 
shape or form -with tlje problems of the 
plant. If you study the speeches made 
by Sir Biren Mukherjee as Chairman of 
the Company for the last several years, 
you will find that 75 or 80 per cent of 
his speeches was a tirade against the 
workers. I do not say that the workers 
are always blameless, that the workers 
are never at fault. But the fact of the 
matter is that this decline in production 
in this particular case has to be attribut- 
ed mainly to the sins of the management 
and not to any default on the part of 
Workers. Now the workers have offer- 
ed their cooperation to the Minister, all 


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the Unions have assured him of their 
cooperation. Therefore, I will pie ad 
with him that steps should be taken to 
put the industrial relations at Burnpur 
on a completely new footing and that 
the three or four unions which are there 
should all be associated, and be given 
an opportunity to associate themselves, 
with the management in the proper 
carrying out of this work and in solving 
quickly any dispute, industrial dispute, 
which may arise so that it may not be 
allowed to linger on and prejudice the 
whole atmosphere. 

These are my suggestions, and when 
we come to the amendments, I will have 
something more to say. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY 
(Nizamabad) : Mr. Mohan Kumara- 
mangalam, who is Caesar’s wife, has 
been selected for this job by Shrimati 
,lndira Gandhi. He is the right type of 
man to do the right type of work. Un- 
fortunately, some incident occurs some- 
wheie without his knowledge and mo- 
tives are attributed to him; it is very 
unfortunate. The Minister, as the mem- 
bers know, is an efficient man. He 
knows when to strike and really he has 
struck when the iron was hot and has 
taken over this company. Negotiations 
were going on for the last three or four 
months; nobody knew about these 
things. Jt was kept as a well-guarded 
secret. Jn our country many secrets are 
leaked out. But in this case no secret 
was leaked out though consultations 
were going on between the State Minis- 
try and the Central Ministry here. The 
State Ministry headed by Dr. Siddhartha 
Shankar Ray was mainly responsible 
and Dr. Gopaldas Naik, the Labour 
Minister there, had arranged all these 
things. Not only this, the Congress 
Organisation at West Bengal and also 
the TNTUC had been pressing for the 
take-over of this company. This com- 
pany employs over 25,000 persons in the 
factory and about 15,000 persons else- 
where in the coalmines and other places. 

It is the second biggest steel factory in 
the private sector. Its management w*s 
rotten as there were many difficulties. 
The management has to take the entire 
blame and so also the labour, though 
Mr. Tndraj’it Gupta has admitted in a 
small way that the labour was also res- 
ponsible for its downfall. If this com- 
pany is to be successful, the labour has 
to give their unstinted support to the 
management, and Tor small things they 
should not go on strike. Unfortunately, 
whenever any company is taken over by 



189 j Res. and Indian SRAVANA 31, 

the Government or whenever it is 
nationalised, the first thing that the 
labour does is that they go on strike. 
We have seen that, when the banks were 
nationalised, there was a strike. When 
general insurance companies were 
nationalised, there was strike. Such 
things must be avoided at least for some 
time to come. This is the biggest steel 
factory, it was producing over one 
million tonnes of steel. Unfortunately, 
steadily, the production has been going 
down from 1965-66 onwards. Previous- 
ly this factory had a very good record. 
But now this factory and its private 
management have brought discredit to 
the entire private industry in the eastern 
region. The Minister has taken the cor- 
rect step at (he correct time. One can 
ask, when there was decline in produc- 
tion and there was unrest in labour and 
the production was going down from 
1966-67 onwards, why did the Govern- 
ment not take over this concern. That 
is a separate question. When we look 
at the activities of some of the political 
parties in West Bengal, that becomes 
very clear. The political parties had 
been creating troubles in the factory; 
they had been creating chaos in that 
State. That is why Government had to 
wait for the appropriate time, and at the 
appropriate time, when there is peace in 
the State, when there is a stable Gov- 
ernment there. Government has not 
wasted a single minute to take over the 
factory. I congratulate the hon. Minis- 
ter for having taken over this concern. 
Moreover, he has done one more thing. 
A holding company has been created 
It will do immense good to the steel 
industry, and there is a firm hope that, 
during the tenure of Shri S. Mohan 
Kumaramangalam, steel production will 
go very high and it will bring good cre- 
dit to the country. 


Mr. Mohan Kumaramangalam, while 
winding up the debate on his Ministry’s 
Demands for Grants said that he was 
having a new story, a better story, to 
tell the next year. He has already start- 
ed tellhg the best story. 


♦SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI (Dha- 
rapuram) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf 
of my party, the Dravida Munnetra 
Kazhagam, I extend my support in 
principle to the Indian Iron and Steel 
Company (Taking over of Management) 
Bill, 1972. 

♦TTie original speech was delivered in 
7 — 11 L.S.S./72. 


1594 (SAJCA) Iron and Steel Co * 1 90 

etc . Bill 

The hon. Minister of Steel in his 
introductory speech advanced the argu- 
ment that the Government have come 
forward with the proposal to take over 
the management of the undertaking of 
the Indian Iron and Steel Company 
limited mainly on the ground that the 
management of the company had been 
unable to halt the steady deterioration 
in production prospects and also that 
the management did not realise the ur- 
gency of implementing schemes for the 
modernisation of the Plant and its ex- 
pansion. He also stated that the Gov- 
ernment therefore decided to take over 
the management of the undertaking for 
a limited period of two years to secure 
the proper management of the company 
and to subserve the public good in the 
context of the steel requirements of the 
country. 

I have at the very outset stated that in 
principle I support this Bill. But I join 
issue with the hon. Minister on the ques- 
tion of taking over the management for 
a limited period of two years. As Shri 
Indrajit Gupta, who preceded me, point- 
ed out, it is not clear whether the 
Government, after this period of 
two years, will keep the undertaking 
under its control. The hon. Minister 
was good enough to state that the 
management of the undertaking would 
not have handed over back to the same 
old management, but it might be hand- 
ed over to a new management. Here I 
get the doubt that the Government 
would not m all probability completely 
nationalise the undertaking, but, after 
two years, the undertaking would be 
handed over to a new management. 1 
would like the hon. Minister to clarify as 
to what is going to be the ultimate shape 
of things to come so far as this under- 
taking is concerned. 

1 would say that theie is no wonder 
in the Government deciding to take over 
this unit. In fact, it would have been 
a wonder if, the Government had not 
come forward witt? this proposal. When 
the public sector financial institutions 
own nearly 58% of the shares of the 
company, it is not surprising that the 
Government should have rightly decided' 
to take over fhe managment. 

The hon. Minister in his speech yester- 
day referred to the increase in produc- 
tion of IISCO after, the Government 
have taken it over. At the same stretch 
he also pointed out the imperative neces- 
sity for bridging the gap between the 
demand and the domestic production*. 

Tamil. 



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Iron and Steel Co. 192 


[Shri C. T. Dhandapani] 
including the production in the public 
sector steel plants. It it common know- 
ledge that the production in the public 
sector steel plants is not upto the full 
rated capacity. The production of 
USCO was declining steadily in recent 
years and as soon as the Government 
have taken over the undertaking, the 
production has picked up. If the Gov- 
ernment could function so efficiently in 
regard to a private sector plant which 
has been taken over recently, I wonder 
why the same kind of functional and 
administrative efficiency could not be 
shown in the working of public sector 
steel plants where also the installed pro- 
ductive capacity is not being fully ex- 
ploited. I am unable to appreciate the 
anomaly. Jf the Government function 
as efficiently, as it has functioned in re- 
gard to the private sector unit which has 
been taken over just now, in respect of 
ublic sector steel plants, then we can 
erive some consolation that the increas- 
ing gap between the demand and the 
domestic production is being narrowed. 
The Durgapur Steel Plant is adjacent to 
IISCO and I wish that the Government 
had shown similar active interest in in- 
creasing the production in Durgapur 
Steel Plant. 

Sir, who has been appointed as the 
Custodian of IISCO ? A gentleman who 
has got just two years’ experience in 
Hindustan Steel has been appointed as 
the Custodian. As Shri Indrajit Gupta 
stated, he is an Accounts man and I do 
not know how the IISCO is going to 
function efficiently under his guidance. 
He is a non-technical man to run this 
engineering unit. Apart from the in- 
vestment of public sector financial insti- 
tutions, still the shares of IISCO are 
being held by men like Goenka. I think 
he has still 30 lakhs worth of IISCO 
shares with him. I say this to illustrate 
that the private sector has got a definite 
gay in the management of the under- 
taking, which has been taken over by 
the Government. In the very recent 
past, the shares of IISCO were bought, 
sold and transferred. I came across a 
news item in a newspaper from which 
I would just quote a few lines. 

“How did the institutions' share then 
go up by 16 percentage points since 
April, 19717 Have holders other than 
Goenka sold Indian Iron shares to 
them? Surely not to L.I.C. which could 
field mpre than 30% of the company’s 

4qutty." 


etc. Bill 

I would like to know from the hon. 
Minister as to whom these shares have 
been sold. 

Yesterday, the hon. Minister of Steel 
was kind enough to give certain statis- 
tics of production of steel. When we 
compare the per capita consumption of 
steel in India, we find that it is the low- 
est. While the per capita consumption 
of steel in Czechoslovakia is 594 kgs v 
in France 443 kgs, in West Germany 
659 kgs, in Japan, where iron ore is not 
available, 603 kgs, in Philippines 35 kgs, 
in India it is only 11 kgs. We are not 
utilising the available iron ore in full 
and properly. On the other hand, we 
are exporting iron ore to other coun- 
tries. In 1969-70 the export of iron ore 
was 5.9% and in 1970-71 it had gone up 
to 7.5%. While the production is going 
down, leading to prilce rise, the export 
is going up. We expected that with the 
coming of the new Minister of Steel 
there would be a reorientation of policy. 
I regret that these expectations have 
been belied. I request the hon. Minister 
that he should reorient the steel policy 
to the benefit of the country. 

Sir, we have had three Five Year 
Plans and the Fourth Five Year Plan is 
also coming to an end. Inspite of our 
planned efforts, the gap between the 
target and achievement in these Five 
Year Plans is regrettably wide. In the 
Five Year Plan the target of production 
capacity of finished steel was 17 lakh 
tonnes while the achievement was only 
13 lakh tonnes; in the Second Five Year 
Plan the target was 44 lakh tonnes and 
the achievement 24 lakh tonnes in the 
Third Five Year Plan the target was 76 
lakh tonnes and the achievement 56 lakh 
tonnes. The actual production target 
was 69 lakh tonnes, but the production 
was just 45 lakh tonnes. In the fourth 
Plan the target of production is 81 lakh 
tonnes and it is expected that the 
achievement will be of the order of just 
62 lakh tonnes. 

If you look at the imports, it is going 
up. We were expecting that the new 
Minister of Steel would take steps to 
reduce the imports. In 1950-51 the im- 
port was of the order of 20 crores, but 
in 1970-71 for the period April-Decem- 
ber, the import bill came to Rs. 101 
crores. The export of iron ore is going 
up. The production of steel is going 
down. The import of different kinds ctf 
steel is going up. All these contradic- 
tory factors have led to steep rise in tfie 
price of steel, from 50 to 85. If the 



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etc Bilt 


riteel price goes up, naturally the prices 
6i other things go up. For example, the 
prices of agricultural implements have 
gone up considerably, impeding our 
efforts for self-sufficiency in food-grains 
production. The hon. Minister of Steel, 
who has been of late taking great inter- 
est in the welfare of our farmers and 
who has been talking loudly about their 
woes, must give some thought to the 
phenomenal rise in the price of steel. 
He should do something to bring down 
the price of steel. 

With the assumption of D. M. K. 
Party Government in Tamil Nadu and 
with the solid support of all the people 
of Tamil Nadu, the State has been able 
to get Salem Sted Plant. The people 
of neighbouring State, Kerala, are also 
demanding for a steel plant. I appeal 
to the hon. Minister that a Steel plant 
should be located in Kerala also. I 
would also urge upon the hon. Minister 
that proper attention must be paid for 
timely transportation of steel products 
from the places of production to the 
places of requirement. 

Before 1 conclude, 1 am not happy 
with certain provisions of this Bill, 
•about which my hon. friend Shri Indra- 
jit Gupta has made certain valid points. 

I am not happy why it should be men- 
tioned in the Bill that the undertaking is 
being taken over for a limited period of 
two years only. Secondly, after this 
period of two years, this undertaking 
should not be handed over again to 
private hands. After spending public 
funds in making the undertaking func- 
tion efficiently, the nationalisation of the 
undertaking should be full and complete. 
After two years also to subserve the 
public good in the context of the steel 
requirements of the country the under- 
taking should be continued to run effi- 
ciently. 1 hope that the hon. Minister 
of Steel will implement all his assura- 
nces given on the floor of this House re- 
garding this undertaking. 

With these words, I support the Bill. 

SHRI K. GOFAL (Karur) : Since 
yesterday I have been hearing the 
speeches of sqme of the hon. Members 
and I am really glad to see that every- 
body has welcomed this measure. No* 
body has questioned the wisdom of the 
‘Government as to tfhy they have taken 
over the management of the TlSCO. 
But, at the same time, somebody has 
usked as to why it should be taken over 
only for two years. If this is going to 
be the first step for nationalisation I 


would welcome it. The Minister said 
tpat he is not going to hand over the 
management back to the old people, 
Shri Indrajit Gupta said about it I do 
not know whether they are going to 
have some other Board to manage this. 
The reason why this was taken over was 
explained by the Minister. It was due 
to mismanagement and loss in produc- 
tion. The rated capacity of this plant 
is one million tonnes. During the past 
ten years what is the position? I can 
give the figures for the past ten years. 
They are : 


Years 

Rated capacity 

1963-64 

. 10-27 

lakh tonnes 

1964-65 

. 9*50 

»> 

1965-66 

• 970 

5 ) 

1966-67 - . 

. 8 97 

>» 

1967-68 

7 9 i 

>) 

1968-69 

777 

>> 

1969-70 

7 00 


1970-71 

6- 27 

>» 

1971-72 

6 1 17 

)> 


I understand that during April-Mav, 
1972, it was just 40 per cent of rated 
capacity. This is not something which 
is just accidental. It is not due to in- 
capacity of the plant itself to produce; 
it is mainly because of mismanagement. 
They knew that 1ISCO would be taken 
over one day or the other. That is why 
they indulged in all these mismanage- 
ments. 

Our hon. friend Mr. Indrajit Gupta 
pointed out that this should have been 
taken over long time back. I do agree 
with him; but there are lot of things 
which we had to do. When they had 
committed so many wrongs, we have got 
to rectify them. .That took some time. 
But, we have done it. As I said loss in 
production is there, not because the 
plant could not produce the thing, but 
because, they deliberately ignored this. 

On the one hand the overhead ex- 
penses were going up; the expenses on 
the maintenance of the plants were going 
up. But, production did not go up. 
They had the managing agency system 
for quite a long time. Martin Burn was 
their managing agents. Strangely enough 
even though there was full-fledged 
Board, they had Martin Burn as their 



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AUGUST 22, 1972 


[Shri K. Gopal] 

Secretaries and also their registrars 
and to make security arrangements. I 
am not able to understand this logic at 
all. On the day of paying salaries to 
the workers they used to get a commis- 
sion of twelve per cent. Just to encash 
the cheque they used to get a commis- 
sion like that, amounting to Rs. 30 to 
Rs. 40 lakhs per annum. The control- 
ling interest was in the hands of one 
family. Having just 0.5 per cent of 
shares they were having such controlling 
interest; they were acting in a zamin- 
dari fashion. They completely control- 
led the management. Having 53 per cent 
Government shares, by way of credit of 
financial institutions and having three 
Directors responsible there, the Govern- 
ment were not able to do anything. I 
would like to know whether it was done 
deliberately by the Government’s re- 
presentatives or Government was com- 
placent about it. They were just having 
0.5 per cent shares and controlling the 
whole management, and sitting at Cal- 
cutta s they could do this, having their 
factory and plant at Burnpore. When 
Government had more than 53 per cent 
shares, how is it that they could not 
remedy the situation? For the past four 
or five years they did not pay heed to 
the advice of their technicians. The 
operation of the coke oven plant was 
deteriorating day by day. Four years 
back the Manager of Works suggested 
injecting of benezyne oil but the 
management refused to listen to his ad- 
vice and even the steel melting shop was 
not run properly. 

Mr. Ram Gopal Reddy said that this 
was done all of a sudden. But, the 
management knew that this will be taken 
over one day or the other. That was 
the reason why they were neglecting the 
plant all those years They ignored the 
plants; they just wanted to suck and 
syphon out as much as possible. 

They had interest in eight companies. 
One of them was Indian Standard Wa- 
gons. They were supplying steel to 
this company free of cost. T do not 
understand how a company can supply 
their production free of cost to another 
company, be it a subsidiary or sister 
concern. T do not know how they could 
nave done this. Were the Government 
representatives sitting on the Board 
closing their eyes about this mismanage- 
ment? I would like to know. 

Before I conclude, I would like to say 
this. Some of my friends said that 


Iran mid Steal Co . 196 

etc. Bill 

under the public sector efficiency goes 
down. It is not the mistake of the, 
policy of the Government. It is not the 
Government’s policy which is wrong. 
What is wrong is with the system. 

The hnn. Minister declared last year 
that they are going to put workers’ re- 
presentatives on the Board. If only 
they had done it in the public sector, the 
public sector would not have so miser- 
ably failed. Out of ten persons in the 
proposed Advisory Board there should 
at least be 3 from the workers’ side. 
The custodians are appointed in the 
public sector undertakings. They are 
held by I.A.S. people or chartered ac- 
countants. I do not doubt their inte- 
grity or their honesty. They are effi- 
cient people no doubt. But, I may point 
this out and say, unless you have a 
technical man as head of the organisa- 
tion how can you run it? IAS man can 
manage a job efficiently at the head 
office but he cannot run a factory. Run- 
ning a factory requires lot of talent. He 
should have technical talents. I com- 
pliment the Minister that this is a fea- 
ther in his cap. The first thing is the 
coking coal; the second thing is the 
Indian Copper Corporation; and the 
third thing is this one. 

While concluding I would like to say 
this. While I welcome this measure, I 
feel that this is a half-hearted measure. 
Instead of saying that we are going to 
take over the management for two 
years’ initial period, he could have said 
that we are going to nationalise it 
straightway. The plant has been given 
to him as a sick child. 1 am sure he 
will be able to nurse it. 1 do not know 
whether he is a good baby-sitter; but 
at least this much I am sure, that he 
will do it. With this I conclude. Thank 
you. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHUA 
(Begusarai) : To my mind this measure 
was long overdue. In fact, if I can go 
to the length of saying so, there was 
culpable delay in this matter. Govern- 
ment, or for that matter, public finan- 
cial institutions had already acquired 
the position of a dominant equity-holder 
quite sometime back. The Government 
had been looking on the mismanagement 
which had been going on there for quite 
a long time. After Mr. Goenka sold a 
parcel of thirty lakhs of shares in April 
1971, constituting 11 per cent of the 
total shares, Government should have 
stepped in at that very time. But Gov- 
ernment, for reasons best known to 



197' Res and Indian SRAVANA 31, 

them, did not choose to do so. What 
W ai in essence a de jure position is be- 
ing given a de facto shape. 

The public sector owns 49 per cent of 
the equity and another 4.5 per cent was 
pledged to the nationalised banks. My 
submission is that the Government’s 
position was dominant de jure earlier 
too. 

13.29 hrs. 

{Mr. Deputy Speaker in the Chair ] 

But one wonders, Mr. Deputy Spea- 
ker, why has the Government taken the 
unusual step of taking it over through 
an ordinance. My submission is that 
this could have been taken over even 
under the provisions of the Industrial 
Development and Regulation Act. But 
Government always chooses to resort to 
the method of ordinances, and it is the 
great sorrow of Parliament that these 
things should be done through ordi- 
nances. 

I was submitting, Government had 
not chosen earlier to exercise their 
powers under the Industries Develop- 
ment and Regulation Act, and, there- 
fore, there had been great loss ircurred 
by the country in this very vital field 
of our economy. A few general re- 
marks, so far as the steel economy of 
the country is concerned, are in order. 

We have a curious picture of the 
Government’s policy in this matter. 
There has been a colonial economy ope- 
rating in the steel sector. That is the 
position which has been emerging; it is 
not that it has already become a colo- 
nial economy in the steel sector, but that 
is the position which is steadily emerg- 
ing. Wc have been exporting iron ore 
to the extent of 21 million tonnes an- 
nually and importing steel to the extent 
of about 1.5 million tonnes or so; now 
it may be nearly 2 million tonnes. 
These 21 million tonnes could have 
yielded us about 9 million tonnes of 
steel. But instead of building up the 
steel capacity or even utilising the capa- 
city already built up to the maximum 
extent possible. Government have been 
depending upon the easy course of ex- 
porting iron ore and getting steel of 
such low order. 

If these colonial tendencies in our 
economy have to be stopped, then the 
‘Only course is to run our existing units 
properly and to add to our capacity as 


1894 (SARA ) Iron and Steel Co* 198 

etc. BUI 

fast as possible. In fact, Japan fo my 
mind has been adding to its steel capa- 
city every year tolhe extent of seven to 
eight million tonnes; I say this subject 
to correction. I hope the hon. Minister 
has got the latest information about this 
matter. So, the' Japanese steel economy 
is an expanding economy and it may 
well be that Japan would be in a posi- 
tion to push back even the larger steel 
producers in this field in one or two 
years. 

What Government seem to be doing 
is extremely unfortunate. What they 
are doing is hospitalisation and not 
what one might say nationalisation. 
Probably, it was under the pressure of 
public opinion that the Government 
were compelled to say yesterday that 
though they were hospitalising it for the 
time being, — no doubt they did not 
use that very word — they were finally 
going to take it over. But my submis- 
sion is that the tendency that we find in 
the Government’s policy is towards 
hospitalisation and not what one might 
properly call nationalisation. 

India is rapidly becoming a hospital 
State. We are taking over sick units, 
and in effect, what it means is that we 
are nationalising losses and we are not 
nationalising gains, and that could not 
be the meaning of nationalisation as 
we understand it. Nationalisation in 
every case does not equal socialisation 
or socialism. There could be nationali- 
sation plus socialism; there could be 
nationalisation minus socialism, and 
there could be nationalisation worse 
than capitalism. We have to bear this 
clearly in our mind. So, it is only when 
we find that there are social gains, there 
are social returns, and there are social 
surpluses emerging that we can say that 
we are running nationalisation in a pro- 
per way to conform to the socialist crite- 
ria. So, I submit that the present 
tendency will have to be observed by 
the country with* all care that it deserves. 

The basic fact of the steel situation in 
India is that we require 2 million ton- 
nes more to bridge the gap between de- 
mand and supply. Now, how could it 
be done ? The first course that could be 
taken is to utilise the existing capacity 
in the best manner possible. That was 
not being done so far as this unit was 
concerned. In fact, there had been a 
decline in production. Here, my sub- 
mission is that there does not seem to 
be any method in the goodness, if I can 



199 Re*, and Indian AU0US? 2?, 1972 Iropt girf Steel Co* 3flO 


JShfi Shy^mnaodaq Mfehra] 
say so, in contrast io ■ madness, so far 
U the policy of the Government is 
concerned. If Government wanted that 
the steel policy should fee put on a firm 
tooting and there should be comprehen- 
sive planning for steely then Govern- 
ment simultaneously could have taken 
over T1SCO also. I am not suggesting 
it because I find that the T1SCO is 
running badly; that was not my sugges- 
tion at all. TISCO has been in a much 
better shape; TISCO has had much 
better management-labour relations, and 
its outturn has been satisfactory. But 
my submission is that TISCO cannot 
expand further on its own resources. If 
we want to bring about expansion, as 
we must, because our steel requirements 
dictate it, then we have to take over 
TISCO. The management of the 
TISCO has already lost all interest in 
expansion. It cannot bring forth its 
own resources. Only if Government are 
in a position to provide them with re- 
sources and are able to guarantee tfiem 
the resources, they will be able to go 
ahead with the programme of their ex- 
pansion. Can we leave this important 
unit without expansion if we want to 
make good in the steel sector? 

So, my humble submission is that this 
unit also simultaneously should have 
been taken over, not because of the 
fact, it has been running badly but be- 
cause of the reasons I have mentioned. 

There is another aspeef to it, and that 
relates to the rising prices of steel that 
takes place so often. Recently, the ris- 
ing prices have benefited the Tatas to 
the extent of Rs. 4.5 crores, whereas the 
decline in their profitability was only to 
the extent of about Rs. 2 crores. If 
these increases in prices take place to 
the advantage of the private sector and 
yet it is not even able to bring forth all 
the resources that are necessary for its 
expansion, I do not think that there is 
any justification for this steel unit to re- 
main in the private seetor. So, it is sim- 
ply beyond the capacity of these units, 
the IISCO and TISCO, to go in for ex- 
pansion. There is the earlier experience 
also that the Tatas in their plan of ex- 
pansion spread over a period of ten 
years had to live mostly on' the tesources 
provided by the Government or gua- 
ranteed by the Government.' 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Now, 
the hon. Member should try to con- 
clude. 


$HRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA ; 
Other Members who had spoken eaifier 
had a lot of time. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Bui 
the hon. Member is talking more about 
TISCO than about IISCO. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Because the thing has to be viewed as 
a whole. So, if Government do not 
take over that also, they would come 
to grief very soon. 

TISCO finds itself at the present 
moment in the neither-life-nor-death 
zone, and it is in a sense marking time 
and getting ready for eventual take- 
over. This was the right time, to my 
mind, when it should have been taken 
over. 

So, my humble submission is that if 
we want to come up according to the 
requirement of the Fifth Five Year 
Plan to 11 million tonnes or so, then 
there can be no denying the fact that 
that would depend largely upon the ex- 
pansion of these private sector units 
also. One unit has been taken over, but 
that would not give Government full 
scope for planning the steel programme 
properly. In fact, what was done in the 
United Kingdom when they nationalis- 
ed steel was that they left out only those 
units and those mixed groups whose 
main interests were dearly outside iron 
and steel. Otherwise, they had taken 
over all the steel units which could have 
given them scope for comprehensive 
and effective planning. That ought to 
be done in this country also. 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY 
(Kendrapara) : It is one of the 
rarest moments in my life when I 
welcome a measure initiated by the 
Treasury Benches. T do not know whe- 
ther I should thank the hon. Minister 
of Steel for this unique opportunity or 
myself . . . 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Thank 
both. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wish 
that there were more opportunities like 
that. 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY : 
The intentions which have inspired this 
legislation are holy and its postulates 
are unexceptionable. But according to 
me, there is more than meets the eye in 
this Bill. I would only urge upon the 
Minister to dispel those mists of doubt 



201 Rps. aiuUmfUfn SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAJCA) Iron on# Steel Cq. 202 

etc. Bill 


and misgiving. While we are, by and 
large, welcoming this Bill, his job has 
been more than simplified. But I 
would only beg of him to clarify the 
mist surrounding this legislation. 

In the first place, we know, as the 
Minister had given out yesterday, the 
public financial institutions have about 
49 per cent holding in the capital struc- 
ture of IISCO with four government 
directors on its board. Therefore, it be- 
haves us to know why with all this mas- 
sive public investment in the company 
and with four directors on the board, 
Government were all along mute specta- 
tors to this gradual, progressive decay 
and decadence of the company. Had I 
been uncharitable enough, I would per- 
haps have said that the Martin Burn 
group or the Sir Biren group did not 
oblige the powers that be with the funds 
demanded for the political chests. Gov- 
ernment had tolerated the company all 
these years, but when the disillusion- 
ment about political donations came, 
the Government decided to take this 
step which ought to in fact have been 
taken much earlier. 

There is another aspect. Why is it 
going to be taken over only for two 
years? This is not an original point I 
am making. Even speakers from the 
Congress benches have asked this ques- 
tion. What is sacrosanct about two 
years ? Though I am not a technical 
man, understanding from the detailed 
catalogue of work that is going to be 
undertaken in this plant regarding 
modernisation and so on, the process 
itself will take two years. What hap- 
pens after these two years? Is this 
going to be the beginning of the joint- 
venture, joint sector project where the 
hens will be fed by the taxpayers and 
the golden eggs will be appropriated by 
the private sector? If so, we should 
know. 

While considering this Bill, one cannot 
preclude from the dimensions of our 
discussion, the entire steel economy of 
our country. With all our massive 
majority, massive mandate and political 
massiveness, we^produce only one per 
cent of steel production of the world. 
Japan which was producing merely a 
million ’ tons of steel in 1948 is now 
producing 97 million tons, whereas with 
all the inputs in the shape of iron 
ore, coal, manganese and cheap 
labour easily available to us, we are still 


fumbling at the 6 million tonnes figure. 
Yet Japan has to depend on every ingre- 
dient for its steel industry from outside. 

If my information is correct, the 
country’s import bill for steel this year 
is likely to be at least 5 times amount 
anticipated at the time of the Budget 
presentation. Against an estimated 
Rs. 40 crore import, steel import is go- 
ing to cost us Rs. 200 crores. At that 
time, indigenous production was esti- 
mated at 7.20 million tonnes of ingots 
or 5.4 million tonnes of finished steel, as- 
against our demand for 6.13 million 
tonnes of finished^ steel. But production 
has in the meantime gone down most- 
ly in the public sector, the HSL plants. 
My information is that during the first 
quarter of 1972-73, it has been only 
8.74 lakh tonnes as against 11 lakh ton- 
nes planned. I would be very happy if 
the hon. Minister corrects it, but this is. 
my information that production in the 
HSL plants is going down and down. 

The . nationalised management of the 
HSL steel plants have not been able to 
attain more than 60 per cent of capacity 
utilisation even now. The hon. Minis- 
ter said that IISCO’s was hardly utilis- 
ing 50 per cent of rated capacity. But 
what about the HSL plants? What 
about Bokaro ? Bokaro which was to 
be commissioned at the beginning of 
June this year will not be commission- 
ed by the middle of next vear. Accord- 
ing to knowledgeable sources, each 
month's delay in commissioning costs 
Rs. 5 million on account of indirect ex- 
penses like salaries, establishment, 
technical supervision etc. The hon. 
Minister is taking charge of IISCO, but 
who will take charge of the hon. Minis- 
ter? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You. 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY r 
This House ? Which has been de- 
nuded of all its authority, which has 
been completely atomised by the mas- 
sive majority? * 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Do not 
be so modest. 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY : 
Who will take charge of him ? In all 
fairness, let Shri Raj Bahadur take 
charge of him. I have no quarrel with 
him on that score. 

Last year the hon. Minister made a 
very bold promise that he was not in- 
terested in speeches, he was interested is 



203 Res. & d Indian AUGUST 

[Shri Surendra Mobanty] 

achievements and he wfculd be able to 
tell us a good story next year. That was 
the refrain of his budget speech in 1971 
But today, in 1972, he sings the same 
old song. It is not a political question 
nor a question of scoring a debating 
point. I ask him man to man, citizen 
to citizen — who will take charge of 
Shri Mohan Kumaramangalam with all 
this record of performance ? 

So while welcoming this Bill, I would 
here and now demand a categorial as- 
surance from the hon. Minister that 
our steel import this year is not going 
to cost us Rs. 200 crores, that our 
nationalised mills are not going to have 
this vast segment of unutilised capacity 
lying idle and that India is going to at- 
tain its massive status not in political 
slogan-mongering, nor in in political 
Machiavellism nor in vote-catching, but 
also in production of steel. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : 
While congratulating Shri Mohan 
Kumaramangalam on bringing forward 
this long-delayed but very laudable Bill, 

I would like to ask : is it not time in 
our country that we decided to pursue 
certain basic policies with courage and 
wholeheartedness, meaning thereby that 
all basic industries like steel, cement 
etc. must come under the public sec- 
tor and should be nationalised ? There 
should be no half-heartedness in this. 
Secondly, if at all we had to take over 
this sick unit, why not take it over whol- 
ly and now when you would be required 
to pay compensation on a much lower 
scale than later after two years when we 
have invested so much in it and put it 
on its feet when the share value would 
go up. Then the question would be, 
what compensation is to be paid to this 
nationalised concern. 

In the case of all these sick mills in 
the country, our policy ought to be to 
take them over at the book value today 
so Xjiat you do not ha^e to pay much 
and nobody would come with a griev- 
ance later that the market value of the 
concern is so much and Government 
have not been fair in denying it to the 
shareholders. But what has happened 
is that we take them over, act as baby- 
sitter, we try to hospitalise them, as was 
rightly pointed out, bring them up, in- 
vest public money in them, and later on 
we are faced with the problem of how 
to compensate them. Therefore T should 
join all those members who have ex- 
pressed their views. I request the hon. 


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Minister to reconsider this proposition. 
There is no point of any honour involv- 
ed. He also says there is nothing 
sacrosanct about two years. Then whjr 
not accept the suggestion when practi- 
cally the unanimous opinion in the 
House appears to be : nationalisation, 
here and now, the whole hog, complete- 
ly. 

Secondly, in our country if we want 
our public sector concerns work succes- 
sfully, let us have faith in our working 
class and let us give them full participa- 
tion in the management. All the em- 
ployees should be made shareholders 
and you should ask them to elect their 
representatives on the board of directors 
and run the industry, as is done in Yugo- 
slavia and other countries. The workers 
have full responsibility for running the 
show. There will be no feeling that 
somebody else is the employer or owner, 
so that there is no question of 
slogans like : Hamare Mangaen Puri 
Karo. There will be no feeling of 
that kind. I would request the hon. 
Minister to consider nationalising it 
here and now. 

I oppose the motion moved by an 
hon. Member from the Opposition dis- 
approving this measure. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
hon. Minister. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand- 
gaon) : I want to congratulate the hon. 
Minister for the laudable work he has 
done. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You 
have done it. The hon. Minister. 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM) : 1 must first of all 

thank all the hon. Members who have 
participated in this discussion for sup- 
porting this decision of the Government. 
It is somewhat surprising to see the ex- 
traordinary unanimity on this question, 
particularly from parties which do not 
normally give their support to Govern- 
ment on matters of this character and 
that perhaps shows how right was the 
decision of the Government. 

Discussion had ranged over a very 
wide ground and hon. Members would 
pardon me if I am not able to deal with 
all the points raised because they have 
been so numerous and so wide in the 
implications; I shall try to deal with the 
points which directly pertain to the Bill. 



205 ; Res. and Indian SRAVANA 31, 

Hofl. Members have, with justice per- 
haps, criticised the delay in coming for- 
ward with an action like this. Personal- 
ly I think there is some justification for 
such a criticism. But there are also, if I 
may use the expression, some extenuat- 
ing circumstances. While production 
baa dropped to something like 617,000 
tonnes in 1971-72, by and large much 
of the deterioration was thought to be 
due to the very disturbed state of in- 
dustrial relations between 1967-68 and 
1971-72. That was, l think, the premise 
on which many persons moved in the ear- 
lier period. I do not think it was en- 
tirely correct and I made this clear when 
I introduced the Bill. 1 thought this 
probably would enable the management 
to excuse themselves in relation to the 
obvious fall in production. 

Hon. Members have criticised the 
members of the board of directors who 
were nominated by the Government for 
not paying sufficient attention to the 
working of the concern and not bringing 
matters to the notice of the Govern- 
ment. 

I have been in charge of this portfolio 
only for the last one year and a half 
and I think it is not proper also for me 
to go back too much into the oast. But 
I should like to mention to the House 
that during the last one year members 
on the board of the Indian Iron, nomi- 
nated by the Government, have taken 
very active part in the work of the 
board and I think I must ex pi ess my 
thanks to them for bringing to my notice 
the deteriorating position in the Indian 
Iron, leading me and ultimately the 
Government, to the conclusion that 
Indian Iron’s management must be 
taken over. It would not be out of 
place to mention that in regard to the 
decision to bring back into opera- 
tion coke-oven batteries 5 and 6, initia- 
tive was taken bv the Government 
directors headed by Secretary for Steel 
Mr. Sarin. The new plans for expan- 
sion and improvement of the project 
have been discussed almost entirely on 
the initiative of the Government direc- 
tors and steps thereon taken in the re- 
cent past. I am bringing all this to the 
notice of the hon. House because Mem- 
bers, rightly, asked : what were you 
doing when all this was going on ? They 
were doing something but taking over is 
not a matter that can be decided in a 
day. After all, it is a major steel plant 
and there are a number of implications 
in taking it over, managerial implica- 
tions, implications in relation to our 


1894 (SAKA) Iron and Steel Co. 206 
etc . Bill 

capacity fo T>e able to really run the 
plant effectively and it is only when we 
come to the conclusion that we would 
be in a position to definitely improve 
on the conditions as they are today in 
IISCO and that the taking over is not 
just going to be taking over for taking- 
over * sake, we come to this decision and 
we took it over. 

Hon. Member Shri Indrajit Gupta 
raised the question : what have you 
done with the management after tak- 
ing it over? Ordinarily in this House 
we Ido not get into a discussion of the 
merits and demerits of individuals who 
are not here to defend themselves, but 
it is necessary for me to make it clear 
to my friend Mr. Gupta the position 
about the two persons he mentioned. 

As for the former deputy general 
manager, Mr. N. R. Dutt who was ap- 
pointed the' chief general manager, it 
would not be entirely correct in my view 
to place on him a major responsibility 
for the managerial failures in the recent 
past. That is our judgment on the basis 
of what we came to know. In fact after 
Mr. Dutt was appointed a member of 
the board of the Indian Iron he was 
not given any specific responsibility in 
the running of the plant and the main 
managerial responsibility, _ as I mention- 
ed earlier when I introduced the Bill 
was invested by a resolution of the Board 
of IISCO with Mr. Romen Mukherjee 
and Mr B. P. Ray, and if any criticism 
has to be made of the way in which the 
management was conducted — criticism 
has been made both on this side and on 
the other side — it will have to be direct- 
ed to that area, and not against the per- 
son who has now been appointed as the 
chief general manager. 

He asked : why don’t you put some- 
body else, a new person ? We thought 
that it would be better to have a person 
who knows IISCO well in the immediate 
period aftqr take-over and to put him 
on test to see how he worked and to 
watch him. We have put a custodian in 
charge, who, as an hon. Member said, 
is not a technical man but who has been 
associated with the steel industry for the 
last two or three years. It was Mr. 
Dhandapani who mentioned it, I think. 
We thought it is better to follow this 
procedure and take our own time in in- 
troducing new personnel. It does not 
pay at all to hasten and make drastic 
and radical changes because persons 
whom you introduce into an organisa- 
tion like this always take some time to 



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[Shri Mohan Kumar^mangalam] 

find their feet. We have got plan 
to organise the operatidfl of the manage- 
ment. Naturally the present custodian 
who is also currently holding charge of 
the office of the finance director of 
Hindustan Steel will not be able to bear 
the burden of both the responsibilities, 
namely, custodian of Indian Iron as well 
as financial director of Hindustan Steel. 
We propose to appoint a new Custodian 
probably within a reasonable time, a 
person who we think will be able to 
discharge his duties effectively. I do 
not think that it is always necessary that 
a person at the level of the Managing 
Director or Custodian of a concern like 
this need be necessarily a steel man, be- 
cause he is not responsible for the day 
to day technical operations. 

14 hre. 

But, so far as lower down is concern- 
ed, there are certain weaknesses in the 
managerial structure which we intend to 
remedy. But, so far as we are able to 
see at present, the experiment that we 
are making of continuing certain of the 
old managerial personnel in leading posi- 
tion has helped us immediately to bring 
about certain improvement in produc- 
tion. But I can assure the hon. Mem- 
bers that we are keeping a very close 
and vigilant eye on what is going on. 
It is only a little more than a month 
since we took over this concern. In that 
one month I have myself visited Burn- 
pur and had discussions once. The 
Secretary of the Steel Ministry has visit- 
ed Bumpur himself and had two dis- 
cussions regarding the measures to be 
taken, regarding the rehabilitation mea- 
sures to be adopted, which I have men- 
tioned earlier, getting coke from Durga- 
pur projects, getting coaltar from Durga- 
pur steel plant, getting boilers, getting 
cranes because th e existing once are in a 
very bad condition and so on and so 
forth. I think the steps that we are 
taking are producing* results and I hope 
non. Members will give those who have 
been put in charge a chance to prove 
their worth. I think that it is not al- 
ways so useful to make a clean sweep 
of everybody because then the persons 
you put in may not be competent in 
terms of the knowledge of the plant. 
Everybody has to have some knowledge 
in terms of the plant to be able to run 
these plants properly. 

A criticism has been made that we 
are putting non-technical people My 


hon. friend* Shri Indrajit Gupta, quoted 
from the report of the team or the 
National Productivity Council on this 
point. This criticism was made by other 
hon. Members also. I think we have 
appreciated the validity of the criticism 
made by the team of the National Pro- 
ductivity Council. Because, hon. Mem- 
bers will remember, so far as Hindustan 
Steel is concerned, it is the technical 
men who are the General Managers both 
in Bhilai and Rourkela. If we made a 
departure in Durgapur, that was for ob- 
vious and special reasons. But, certain- 
ly, the emphasis is on improving what 
may be called the technocrat leadership 
of the steel plant as a whole, though I 
do not myself subscribe to the opinion- 
that only a steel engineer, as it were, is 
capable of becoming a technocrat. Ex- 
perience has shown that persons who 
may have started even in other profes- 
sions have been able, after years of 
work in steel plant or in connection with 
steel plants, to develop sufficient expert- 
ise provided they have got the manage- 
rial capacity, managerial leadership to 
be able to head organisations of this 
character. 

I do not want to go into all the de- 
tails about the past of Indian Iron. Sa 
far as the two-year period is concerned, 
as I have said earlier when I introduc- 
ed the Bill, we have fixed these two years 
because we have been advised that 
under the law if you do not fix a parti- 
cular period of time for take-over of the 
management, you will be liable to pay 
management compensation. Hon. Mem- 
bers would remember that in some Bills 
we have provided for management cbm- 
pensation; in some Bills we have not. 
Here we are not quite sure about what 
we are doing in the future, what kind 
of permanent structure or management 
wc should have for this kind of organi- 
sation, whether it should be a public 
sector management and so on. But I 
would like to assure Shri Indrajit Gupta, 
Shri Gopal ancT others who raised this 
question, that there is no qutstion of 
handing the management back, either 
to the erstwhile private management or 
any other new private management; that 
will not arise. The question is how ex- 
actly we are going to deal with it in 
terms of take-over, whether it should be 
ultimately as purchaser of the shares, 
whether it should be acquisition, what 
scale of compensation will be paid, if 
any and so on and s6 forth. Naturally, 
that will not be possible unless we come 
before this House, and that will be time 



209 Jte. mil*#** SRAVANA 31, 

enough to explain what exactly is the 
measure we are proposing and the basis 
for the measures "that we are bringing 
before the House. 

Hon. Members have raised the ques- 
tion of new managing contracts. I 
think that was again raised by Shri 
lndrajit Gupta. There is no reason for 
us to give any contracts to the manage- 
ment at all.^ The management will natu- 
rally be strictly done by the Custodian, 
assisted by the Advisory Board which is 
provided for in the Act. 

A point has been made that workers’ 
representatives should be included in the 
Advisory Board. Our difficulty about 
making a specific statutory provision for 
this is that very often, owing to differen- 
ces between the unions and so on, 
we are not able to work out a procedure 
which is satisfactory to all so as to en- 
able workers’ representatives to be on 
the Board. It is now well over a year 
since I made the offer to the Joint Wage 
Negotiating Committee, it is now called 
the Joint Negotiating Committee for the 
Steel Industry, requesting them to work 
out a procedure by which I could in- 
clude two representatives of the workers 
on the Board of Hindustan Steel. We 
have not been able to reach a* conclusion 
on that. But it is certainly the intention 
of the government to include represen- 
tatives of workers. But we do not want 
to put it as a statutory condition, 
because then the question as to whe- 
ther the Board is complete or not com- 
plete, valid or invalid would arise. Even 
in the case of banks, though it was in- 
troduced in the Act as a provision. I 
believe it has not yet been brought into 
operation owing to differences This is 
the difficulty, so far as this problem is 
concerned But I would assure the hon. 
Members that we do want to take the 
workers’ representatives in the Board 
and very probably we will succeed in 
doing so. 

We want to put industrial relations on 
a new footing, to use the same expres- 
sion that fell from the lips of the hon. 
Members, though I do not by any means 
under-estimate the difficulties which face 
us in this field. 

I would very earnestly appeal to all 
hon. Members, particularly those mem- 
bers who are concerned with trade union 
movemenrin West Bengal, to give us 
assistance to sort out this very very diffi- 
cult problem of the shift cycle in Bum- 
pur. I do not want to go into more de- 


|8$4 (SAKA) 210 

tads. It is the pre-historic relic of the, 
if I may use the expression, manage- 
ments desire to make maximum profit 
and to take advantage of workers de- 
sire to make maximum wages even m 
violation of the law regarding overtime 
and regarding the hours of work that 
has led to a very bad state of affairs m 
nscb in the past. Now things are 
sought to be remedied bv an agreement 
which the unions and the management 
arrived at in 1971. It means a certain 
reduction in the earnings of certain cate- 
gories of workers because of reduction 
in overtime, because of having weekly 
off, which earlier was not there, and 
this is being resisted by certain sec- 
tions of the workers. It is not my de- 
sire to start throwing blame on anybody, 
but it is my intention to put before the 
House the difficulties which we are fac- 
ing. All that we ask for is, if I may use 
the expression, the sympathy and sup- 
port, particularly of the trade unionists 
who are in this House, to help us to sort 
out that problem. We have to sort it 
out. I do not know low things will 
develop in the coming months in rela- 
tion to this difficult problem which has 
to be solved if industrial relations in IIS- 
CO are to be stabilised. Therefore, I 
would only content myself by saying that 
I would appeal to all of you to help me 
in whatever way that you can, particu- 
larly those of you who are active in 
the trade union movement. 

I do not think it is necessary for me 
to go into the details of what happen- 
ed to Shri Goenka’s shares, how many 
he bought, how many he sold, because 
they do not matter any more. The 
shareholders, as it were, are being put 
to sleep by the Bill that is here before 
the House. Therefore, the fact that he 
will have many shares or a few shares 
becomes irrelevant, so far as the con- 
duct of work of the Company is con- 
cerned. 

Finally, 'one or* two allegations have 
been made I think Shri Gopal men- 
tioned that steel has been given free by 
Indian Iron to Indian Standard Wagon. 

I do not know from where he received 
this startling information. I will certain- 
ly check it up and find out whether it 
is true or not; it is very unlikely to be 
true. Because, it is crossing even ordi- 
nary bounds of commercial immorality 
which sometimes has been operating in 
our country. Of course, it is a fact 
that Indian Standard Wagon owed con- 
siderable sums of money to Indian Iron 



21 1 Res. and Indian AUGUST 22, 1972 Iron and Steel Co. 212 


[Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam] 
for steel purchased by them. We are 
asking them that this should be paid 
up. 

A question was asked by my hon. 
friend, Mr. Mishra, as to why is it that 
we did it through an Ordinance and why 
is it that we did not take recourse to the 
Industrial Development and Regulation 
Act. If the hon. Member will look at 
Section 18- A A, he will find that it is 
somewhat restricted in its operation. 
TTiat is, you have to prove either diver- 
sion of funds, that is one of the things, 
or it means it has to be closed down for 
as long as three months. There are 
certain conditions laid down. The legal 
advice to us was that it may be difficult 
to bring the take over of IISCO within 
Section 18 A A. The other difficulty was 
that even if we took it under Section 
18 A A, all those managerial contracts 
which we were getting rid of by means 
of clause 3 of the Bill will continue to 
operate because we would merely be 
stepping into the shoes, in a sense, of 
the Board of Directors and all the con- 
tracts which would bind them would 
hind us also. Also, the other provision 
which we have put in clause 14 will not 
be available to us. 

Sir, it is not that we love taking over 
organisations like this by an Ordinance. 
You will appreciate that if we introduce 
a Bill in the House that we are going to 
take oyer the IISCO and the Bill is de- 
bated in the way in which we debate, in 
the way we should debate, and then it 
goes to the Rajya Sabha and to the 
President for his assent, there is suffi- 
cient time for the management which 
may not be entirely addicted to honest 
methods to do things which may not 
be in the interest of the nation — I use 
a mild language. This is what ulti- 
mately led us to the issue of an Ordi- 
nance. We did so in the case of coking 
coal mines; wc did so in the case of 
copper and we did.it in the case of 
IISCO. 

It is not that we in any way lack any 
respect for Parliament. We do come here 
we explain everything that we can. If 
we do not resort to an Ordinance on an 
occasion like this, I think, we had better 
give up Ordinance issuing power at all. 
The most justified occasion on which we 
can resort to an Ordinance is an occa- 
sion of this character. This is the rea- 
son whv we did not use Section 18 A A. 
I would assure the hon. Member that 


etc. Bill 

we did consider it and, having consider- 
ed and examined it from every point of 
view, we came to a conclusion that that 
power was not sufficient for enabling us 
to take over IISCO. Therefore, we re- 
sorted to the take-over by means of an 
Ordinance. 

The hon. Member also raised a ques- 
tion about the expansion of Tata Iron 
& Steel Co. I can only say, at this 
stage, that the matter is under considera- 
tion of the Government. It is perfectly 
true and recognised as a fact that ex- 
pansion of our steel production cannot 
only be by means of building up new 
plants. It wil be a short-sighted policy 
on our part merely to think of that and 
not to consider the expansion of the 
existing steel plants, both in the private 
and public sectors. We are looking into 
the matter as to how we can effect ex- 
pansion in both private and public sec- 
tor plants and, I hope, within a reason- 
able time, we should be able to come 
to a decision on that which, of course, 
will be brought before the House. 

My hon. friend, Mr. Mishra, also rais- 
ed the question of rise in prices of steel 
products I do not want to go into that 
detail. But I would like to assure him 
that though the maximum benefit as a 
result of the rise in prices is going to 
come to the Hindustan Steel and not to 
Tata Iron & Steel Co., some benefit is 
going to come to Tata Iron & Steel Co. 
and to IISCO also. But that is because 
we have taken those particular products 
where the cost of production itself is 
more than the actual price fixed by the 
Joint Plan Committee and the Steel 
Plan Committee. Naturally, that is not 
being fair to the producer and, there- 
fore, it is that there has been some 
change of this character. 

Finally, one or two points were raised 
by my hon. friend Mr. Sokhi about 
Bokaro. It is true there has been delay. 
Wc expected that we would be able to 
bring the first blast furnace on steam 
during the course of this month. But 
after very elaborate discussions with the 
Russian specialists, they advised us that 
it is better we make certain experiments 
regarding the working of the coke oven 
plant on the one hand and the sintering 
plant and the boiler plant on the other 
and be satisfied that they are working 
properly because, if we make a mistake 
now, we may have to pay heavily after- 
wards. We are losing money. There is 
no doubt about it. It is something 
about which we cannot be happy. But 



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it h a fact, these are the reasons and, 
ultimately, we have to take account of 
the difficulties we have to face in spite 
of whatever may be the losses that we 
have to suffer immediately. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE (Bombay 
Central) : What about signing the 
papers without seeing them ? This is 
what Mr. Sokhi said. 


Iron and Steel Co . 214 

etc. Bill 


I would only plead with my hon 
mend Mr. Mohanty and other Mem- 
bers of the House that despite the fact 
that we have still some distance to iro 
we have put our feet on the right path 
and we will be able to render acco unt 
to this House within a year or two in 

th? \L W K y . aS f< L s . atisf y hon - Members 
tnat the best is being done in the field 
of steel. 


SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM: It will not be helpful to go 
into that. May I ignore that and leave 
it where it is? I think, it is not a con- 
troversy which is worth entering into. 

My hon. friend, Mr. Mohanty asked 
me who is going to take charge of my- 
self. I have no answer; I do not know. 
I am myself getting desperate about 
my activities. Probably, it is better he 
keeps a vigilant eye on the way I do 
my work. He is right when he says that 
I gave a certain commitment and I 
have not fulfilled that commitment. I 
am acutely conscious of it. I can only 
say, as a matter of recognition of facts 
as they are, that I would like to put all 
the material in regard to the manner in 
which we are trying to improve the 
steel plants. 1 do not want to use 
hyperbole. I think, any hon. Member 
who goes down to the Hindustan Steel 
Plants and sits down and discusses with 
the General Managers, sits down and 
discusses with the Board, will appre- 
ciate that a very serious and deter- 
mined, effort is being made to improve 
the position. The tact that we have not 
been able to make significant changes 
is there. But, I am sure, if you go down 
to the Steel Plant, you will appreciate 
it. It is not true that nothing is being 
done. It takes time to make an im- 
provement. I think, we will be able to 
bring about improvement quickly. 

Unfortunately, this year, in the first 
quarter, we suffered very greatly from 
power cut both in Durgapur and in 
Rourkela. In Bhilai, absenteeism in the 
coke oven plant has been very high 
during the very hot summer months. 
We hope, Bhilai will improve and 
Rourkela is also improving. July and 
August have been substantially better 
months. Durgapur has its own problems 
which I did not want to go into now. 
But there also, we are poised on the 
eve of a change and I am optimistic 
even about Durgapur as also about 
IISCO. Probably, IISCO is at the pre- 
sent moment in the worst position of 
all. 


Billto the W ’ 1 C ° mmend *“• 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I have 
not suggested that there should be » 
clean sweep of all the personnel. My 
point was whether the top executives 
some °f them, should be actually pnv 
moted now. They may not be the peo- 
ple who were mainly responsible. For 

n^L re , aS ° n ’ t hey are B°ing to be given 
promotion, from Deputy General 
Manager to General Manager and so 


iu K-UMARAMAN- 
GA l AM; With great respect to my 
hon friend, Mr. Indrajit Gupta, the 
question as to what the decision Gov- 
ernment takes in respect of appoint- 
ments t 0 managerial posts of this 
character, to debate in detail the right- 
ness or wrongness of such decision, be- 
comes difficult because we bring in the 
merits of individuals. What I tried to 
explain to the hon. Member and to the 
House was the considerations which 
motivated us to ccme to a certain con- 
clusion. I would only beg of the hon. 
M , e ™ ber to gwe us a chance to see 
whether what we have done is rieht 
or wrong. 


SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: One 
thing more. I want simply to know 
whether the head office of IISCO after 
the take-over will continue to be locat- 
ed as it is at present in the head office 
of Martin Burn & Co. in Calcutta 

a 


SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM: I am afraid, for the time 
being, we have really no alternative. 
The reason is that the head office of 
IISCO occupies a fairly large space. If 
we are going to quit and we are forced 
to find some other place, it will take us 
a little time. It is not easy to find suit- 
able accommodation. At the same time, 
the hon. Member who is known for his 
great interest in labour will remember 
that there are some IISCO employees 
and Martin Bum & Co. employees 



Res. and India* 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


213 


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[Shri S. Median Kumaramangalam} 

there. The Martin fruro & Co. em- 
ployees are extremely unhappy about 
(he prospect of losing the IISCO em- 
ployees. We have complications of that 
character also. I can only assure him 
that though the IISCO head office may 
remain in the premises of Martin Burn 
& Co., it will not be tainted by that fact. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Dr. 
Laxminarain Pandeya is not here 1 
shall now put his Resolution to the vote 
of the House. The question is: 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You 
cannot make any change now, at the 
last minute; 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I do not 
want to move it in its present form. . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No, 
please. You can speak on your amend- 
ment. You have other amendments also. 
Are you moving them? 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I am 
moving all the amendments — 6, 8 and 
9. 


“This House disapproves of the 
Indian Iron and Steel Company 
(Taking over of Management) 
Ordinance, 1972 (Ordinance No. 6 
of 1972) promulgated by the presi- 
dent on the 14th July. 1972”. 

The motion was negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
question is: 

“That the Bill to provide for the 
raking over of the management of 
the undertaking of the Indian Iron 
and Steel Company Limited for a 
limited period in the public in- 
terest and in order' to secure the 
proper management of the under- 
taking, be taken into considera- 
tion.” 

The motion was adopted, 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we 
t pkp. up clause-by-clause consideration. 
There is no amendment to Clause 2. 

The question is: 

“That Clause 2 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 2 was addf.d to the BiU. 

Clause 3- ( Management of Undertak- 
ing of the Company to vest in Central 
Government ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There 
an a number of amendments to Clause 
3... 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: la 
Amendment No. 9, later on I have 
jotod— it Is a matter of factual correc- 
Hoo-mmt thd word ‘smelters' might 
remain. 


SHRI R. N. SHARMA (Dhanbad) : 
I beg to move : 

Page 2, line 10, — 

omit “for a period of two years” 
( 2 ) 

Page 2, line 16* — 

after “refineries,” insert “washing 
plant,” (3) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: I beg 
to move : 

Page 2. line 10 and 11, — 

omit “and for a period of two years 
thereafter” (6) 

Page 2, line 16, — 

after “project” insert “washeries,” 
( 8 ) 

Page 2, line 16, — 
omit “smelters, refineries,” (9) 

SHRI B. V NAIK (Kanara) : I beg 
to move : 

Page 2, line 10, — 
after “two” insert “or more” (7) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : As far 
as my amendment No. 6 is concerned, 
I do not want to elaborate on it now 
because in the course of the general 
discussion 1 have stated my view-point 
on that 

About my amendment No. 8, ‘washe- 
ries’ should be included here — this is 
an omission, I believe — because the 
Indian Iron & Steel Co. has got its own 
captive mine and they have set up 
washeries.. I do not know why this has 
been omitted. ‘Washieres* should be in- 
cluded. 



217 Ra. and Indian SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) 


As I have pointed out in amendment 
No. 9, I feel that perhaps this wording 
of the clatise was lifted bodily in a 
hurry by the officials of his Ministry or 
the Law Ministry from the correspond- 
ing Ordinance which was done for 
Copper Corporation — when the Indian 
Copper 1 Coljpoifoltioty Was taken over. 
They did not bother to see whether these 
words ‘smelters and refineries’ might 
apply in the case of Indian Iron & Steel. 
I think, the word ‘smelters’ might re- 
main because this word has got a diffe- 
rent definition; I think, in a steel plant 
also, the steel melting shop can be call- 
ed a smelter; therefore, I do not mind if 
that word remains. But, certainly, there 
are no ‘refineries’; this word has nothing 
to do with Indian Iron & Steel. There- 
fore, the word ‘refineries* should defini- 
tely be omitted. 


SHRI B. V. NAIK : 1 have moved 
an amendment regarding the point on 
which the hon. Minister has been good 
enough to give a clarification. The 
Indian Iron & Steel Company was pro- 
ducing in the year 1963-64 about one 
million and 27 thousand tonnes of steel. 
When you say that you are taking it 
over for a period of two years, what is 
the task which the Steel Ministry has 
taken upon itself to do in those two 
years? The hon. Minister has said that 
the time is two years, it is a time-bound 
one, and that legally there will be diffi- 
culties if it is taken over for an unlimi- 
ted period of time. I would like to know, 
within the course of two years, what 
are the tasks which the Steel Ministry 
has takeu upon itself to fulfil. Here a 
very relevant point comes into opera- 
tion. According to its rated capacity, at 
least statistically speaking, the Indian 
Iron & Steel is still producing about 65 
per cent, and if my facts are right, we 
have quite a few public undertakings 

S here the steel production is about one- 
iird or 35 or 4t) per cent. I woud also 
like to know what will be the position 
in case the Indian Iron and Steel Com- 
pany management fails to improve itself 
even under Government’s management, 
now that we have used the ultimate tool 
that is at our disposal, namely, a sort of 
nationalisation, a sort of temporary 
stop-gap nationalisation 

StfRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Court 
Of Wards. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK. : A sort of Court 
. of Wards; it is in respect of children. 


Iron and Steel Co. 218 
etc . Btll 

Has the Steel Ministry, or for that 
matter, have we got anything which we 
are able to implement at the present 
juncture so that these undertaking that 
have been taken over will be successful? 
On the broader question, I would like 
to ask this. They had taken over coak- 
ing gas. Now they have taken over 
Indian Iron & Steel. It would be better 
both for the workers and for all the 
people concerned with our industries if 
a sort of broad idea regarding wbat are 
the ones which we are going to natio- 
nalise, whether it will be on the basis. . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What 
has that to do with your amendment? 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : It has relation 
with the two-year period. The two-year 
period was based on the fact that it is 
going to be temporarily nationalised and 
there is also going to be a Custodian in 
this behalf. 

I would like to obtain an assurance 
from the hon. Steel Minister whether this 
period of two years would be adequate 
or whether there is any provision in the 
Act that it could, later on, be extended 
for a further period, now that we have 
a substantial period at our disposal. I, 
therefore, as a sort of enabling provi- 
sion, had made this amendment, two 
or more years’. My point was whether, 
in case there were legal difficulties, it 
would not be prudent at the present 
juncture itself to ask for a greater 
length of time in order to show and tell 
the people that we are able to achieve 
results at the end of a specified period. 

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SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : About amendments 2, 

6 and 7 , I have already made clear the 
motives that led the Government to fix 
this period of two years for take-over 
of management because only if a limit- 
ed period is fixed under the enactment 
would the action of the Government be 
protected by Art 31 A and the Govern- 
ment is not liable to pay management 
compensation. That is the legal advice 
we have got and we expect that within 
two years we would be able to make a 
final decision about what we should do 
regarding the future of the company. 

r 

I think it was Mr. Naik who suggest- 
ed, “Why not put ‘more* after two”. 
But as soon as we insert ‘more’ after 
•two’ then it becomes indeterminate and, 
therefore, it may land us again in 
troubles. . . {Interruptions) . 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA : If it is kept 
ten years, what harm is there. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : We do not claim that 
we will take as long as ten years. Why 
should we be pessimistic? We will finish 


22 , 1972 Iro'ft and $teel Co. 220 

etc. Bill 

our work within two years. If we do not 
finish, then we come back to this Par- 
liament and to hon. Members with 
whatever proposals we have. 

I would only like, before going to the 
next point, to mention that we have no 
desire to act as a Court of Wards. That 
is all dead and gone. Mr. Joytirmoy 
Bosu lives in the past. So, let him be 
there. I do not mind. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I have 
not opened my mouth. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : Unfortunately, you 
opened it even sitting there. 

So far as the amendments Nos. 3 and 
8 are concerned, which really cover the 
same thing, I have no objection in ac- 
cepting amendment No. 8 . That is to 
insert ‘washeries’ after the word ‘pro- 
jects’ which really covers the same area. 
Although Mr. R. N. Sharma’s amend- 
ment No. 3 covers the same point, I 
think the term ‘washeries’ is a better 
term than the term ‘washing plant’. 

Regarding amendment No. 9, I have 
no objection to accepting it if it only 
covers the omission of the word ‘refine- 
ries’; that is to say, the word ‘smelter’ 
remains but ‘refineries’ may be omitted. 
What my friend, Mr. Indrajit Gupta 
has pointed out in relation to this 
amendment is correct. 

Therefore, if I may repeat myself, so 
far as amendments 2, 6 and 7 are con- 
cerned, I would request the hon. Mem- 
bers to withdraw their amendments in 
the light of the explanation I have given. 
So far as amendment No. 8 is concern- 
ed, I accept it and as far as amendment 
No. 9 is concerned, I accept it subject 
to the word ‘smelters’ being retained and 
only the word ‘refineries’ being omitted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In view 
of what the Minister said, Mr. Indrajit 
Gupta, you may recast your amendment 
and give it here. 

I will put the rest of the amendments, 
viz., 2, 3, 6 and 7 to vote. 

Amendments Nos . 2, 3, 6 and 7 were 
put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will 
put amendment No. 8. The question is : 

Page 2, line 16, — 
after “projects” insert “washeries." 

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221 i Rtn>md < *KUm 


SRAVANA 3Si 

The motion was adopted. 

MR- DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wiU 
now put amendment No. 9, as modified, 
by Shri Indrajit Gupta to vote. 

The question itt : ' 

Page 2, line 16,— 
omit “refineries”[(9)«r modified] . 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
question is : 

“That clause 3, as amended, stand 
part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 3, as amended , was added to 
the Bill . 

Clause 4 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 5 — •( Advisory Board.) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Sir. I 
beg to move : 

Page 3, line 45, — 
add at the end— 

“ , provided that at least two 
members of the Board shall be 
representatives of workmen employ- 
ed by the company” (10) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Amend- 
ment moved : 

Page 3, line 45, — 
add at the end — 

”, provided that at least two 
members of the Board shall be 
representatives of workmen em- 
ployed by the company” (10). 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I heard 
the reply given by the hon. Minister to 
this suggestion which I have made in 
my general observations, but, I am 
afraid, I am not convinced. He says that 
while they have every intention and de- 
sire to include one or more representa- 
tives of labour in the Advisory Board, 
he does not want to give it a statutory 
form because it may lead to some pro- 
blems later on as to whether the Board 
has been properly or adequately cons- 
tituted or not. I do not think this is a 
sufficient explanation for rejecting my 
amendment. This Advisory Board which 
is proposed to be set up is hot a very 
small Board. It can have upto 10 mem- 
bers who are all to be appointed by the 
Central Government. J take it that Jthis 
Board is not going to be a part of the 
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14$4 {SAKA) Iren amd Steel Co, 222 
etc. Bill 

normal industrial relations machinery. 
It is not concerned with settling 
disputes between the management 
ana the labour. For that purpose, some 
other machinery will have to be set up. 
We will see what is done about that. 

The Advisory Board, I take it, its 
main function will be to give advice re- 
garding the actual operation, production 
and management of the concern and I 
am strongly of the opinion that in an 
Advisory Board of this kind, the labour 
must be directly associated with it and 
if it is not given the statutory form, 
then ultimately, it is the labour which 
will be the main casualty and will be left 
out. Despite all good intentions, even- 
tually other people and other interests 
will find priority of representation and 
it is precisely the workers who will be 
left out. Therefore, a minimum repre- 
sentation should be put in the Bill ac- 
cording to me and I can assure him — 
he probably knows also as when he went 
to Bumpur, he must have heard — that 
after all it is one of the Unions which 
in July 1972, before we knew anything 
about the Government’s decision that 
they were going to take it over, brought 
out a very detailed and factual bulletin 
and memorandum which was sent to 
the Government also in which they have 
worked out the whole case for a take 
over of the management and all their 
criticisms and suggestions have to do 
with the question of production, not with 
the question of workers’ demands and 
all that. I am sure if he has seen it, he 
cannot fail to be impressed by the fact 
that this Union has made such a serious 
and sober study of the internal working 
of this company and it is Unions like 
this, other Unions also, whose represen- 
tatives sitting in the Advisory Board, I 
am sure, can play a very helpful and 
constructive role in this field and I hope 
he will try to give up this old out- 
moded attitude towards workers, es- 
pecially, when he seeks their co-opera- 
tion not only in agreeing to a new type 
of shift work — I hope on that, of course 
he is there — he must also give them an 
opportunity and invite their help and co- 
operation in matters concerning the day- 
to-day management and production. I 
feel, Sir, I need not labour this point. 
When an Advisory Board with upto ten 
members can be constituted, according 
to the BilL he should provide jp it>pnly 
expressly that a minimum representation 
for labour will be there. 

i * * 

He said, it becomes difficult to decide 
who are the workers representatives. 



233 JHs.mdkMm AUGUST 22. 1972 IrmWiMCo. 224 

etc* Bill 


IShri Indrajk QQpU) 

Hub is no argument because you can do 
it by ballot or some ocher method. It is 
done in other cases. It is a question of 
procedure to be decided later oil There- 
fore, there is no excuse for eliminating 
them from the advisory board. I agree, 
he is not directly eliminating them, but 
I think the implication will be there, if 
it is not expressly provided and therefore 
I am pressing my amendment. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : The difficulty arises in 
the sense that if we do not include the 
representatives of the workers the cons- 
titution of the Board may be challenged 
as illegal and this is a point to which 
I replied in the general discussion of the 
Bill. It is not that we do not want to 
include workers’ representative. We do 
want it. We do not want to make it man- 
datory. We do not want to make it a 
statutory mandate, because even if we 
are unable to do it as we have been 
unable to do it in the case of HSL, it 
would then be open to anybody to go to 
a court and challenge the constitution of 
the Board as illegal. That is why I ac- 
cept the spirit of the amendment but 
unfortunately I cannot accept it in fact. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Can you 
give assurance that organised labour will 
be taken in on the advisory board? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : I already gave one of 
the assurances that we do intend to in- 
clude representatives of the workers on 
ihe Board; I had explained it already; 
I do not ant to repeat for a third time 
why I cannot accept his amendment. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will 
put his amendment to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendment No. 10 was put and 
.negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
^question is : 

"“That Cause 5 stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 5 was added to the Bill • 
•Clauses 6 to 13 w ere added to the Bill . 

Cl— s 14- ( Contracts in bad faith may 
be cancelled or varied .) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I beg to 
unove amendment No. 11 for Cause 14. 

1 beg to mom : 


Page 6, line 20, — 

omit “has been entered into in bad 
faith, and” (11) 

This clause reads as follows : 

If the Central Government is satis- 
fied, after such enquiry as it may thiny 
fit, that any contract or agreement 
entered into at any time within three 
years immediately preceding the ap- 
pointed day between the company or 
the managing agents of the company 
and any other person in so far as 
such contract or agreement relates to 
the undertaking of the company, has 
been entered into in bad faith, and is 
detrimental to the interests of the 
undertaking of the company, it may 
make an order cancelling or vary- 
ing .. . such contract . . . 

The amendment that I have moved is : 
Omit “has been entered into in bad faith, 
and”. The reason for my amendment in 
this. At present every contract or agree- 
ment has to satisfy two conditions, before 
that can be cancelled. One is, that it 
should be detrimental to the interest of 
the company. The second is, it should be 
entered into in ‘bad faith’. It is only under 
such cases that such agreement or con- 
tract could become cancellable. I sug- 
gest that this is a very dangerous clause 
and there is a loophole in it. This should 
be plugged. I will give one instance. I 
do not know why Martin Bum is being 
referred to as managing agents because 
contracts now were not entered into 
with Martin Burn as managing agents 
but Martin Bum as Secretaries. Since 
1970 they have not been managing 
agents. Even after the managing agency 
was abolished, this Martin Bum, as 
secretaries have taken in 1970-71. 
Rs. 37.71 lakhs and in 1971-72 Rs. 38.57 
lakhs from the IISCO for various 
charges. Secretary’s remuneration is the 
biggest item. Rs. \\ lakhs is taken on 
that. And then comes Rs. 44 lakhs for 
Cash Department’s service charges. 
Yesterday the Minister rightly said, this 
has been done, as if IISCO cannot have 
its own cash department service. There 
is another item called rent on which 
they take Rs. 7.88 lakhs for rent of floor 
space of the IISCO office inside Martin 
Burn building. I am afraid Mr. Mohan 
Kumaramangalam will have to pay this 
because it is going to remain in this 
building. 

Then for the car charges, 

they charge Rs. 30; pet annum. 



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joint ttrrace eipnues of offices of Cal* 
cutta, London, Kanpur, Bombay, Delhi 
and Patna comes to Hi. 37 to Rs. 58 
lakhs. The bon. Minister will agree that 
this type of agreement is detrimental to 
the interest of IISCO. Neither can he 
prove nor can I prove that this is some- 
thing entered into in bad faith. Accord- 
ing to this provision it has to be proved 
that they were entered into in bad faith. 
If it is challenged in a court of law 
on this ground, what will be the posi- 
tion? Therefore these words should be 
omitted. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : Tliere is lot of point in 
what the hon. Member has said. It is 
possible that if the clause is left in the 
same form in which it is at present in 
the Bill it will in fact become nugatory. 
It is difficult for anybody to prove that 
the contract has been both entered into 
in bad faith and is detrimental. This is 
a conjunctive. But the difficulty about 
the amendment is that it seeks to take 
out something which also should be 
there. If the hon. Member is prepared to 
accept my suggestion, 1 think, that per- 
haps would be the best. 

Instead of the word ‘and’ let him put 
in the word ‘or’ because that gives it a 
wider cannotation. That is, if it is enter- 
ed into solely in bad faith it can be 
invalidated; if it is entered into solely 
so as to be detrimental to the interest to 
the company, it can be invalidated. 
There is no possibility of Government 
misusing this power and they can be re- 
lied upon to look into the thing careful- 
ly and come to right conclusion. Instead 
of ‘and’ if he agrees to have ‘or’ we 
may re-shape the amendment and it 
may be accepted. 

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : I agree 
to that 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; I like 
the spirit of ‘give and take’ but it would 
have been much better if the Member 
and the Minister had thrashed it out 
before coming to the House, instead of 
putting us in this sort of confusion. 
Anyway, since they have all agreed, I 
think we shall allow Shrj Indrajit Gupta 
to make an alteration in his amendment 
to delete the word ‘and’ and to put in 
the word ‘or’. 

The modified amendment would read 
aa follows ; 

ftge 6, line 20. for ’and* substitute 
‘or*. 


I shall pot this modified amendment 
now to vote. 

The question is : 

Page 6, line 20, for 'and* substitute 
‘or’ [(11) as modified .] 

the motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
question is : 

“That clause 14, as amended, stand 
part of the Bill”. 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 14, as amended , was added to 
the Bill. 

Clauses 15 to 17 were added to the 

Bill. 

Clause 1 .and the Enacting Formula 
were added to the Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is 
an amendment to the Title by Sbri R. N. 
Sharma. Is he moving it? 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA : No, Sir. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
question is : 

‘That the Title stand part of the Bill”. 
The motion was adopted. 

The Title was added to the Bill. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
M AN GAL AM : I beg to move : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be 
passed”. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion 
moved : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be 
passed”. 

SHRI JYOTIRM0Y BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Now, we see that the com- 
pany goes to the court of wards. We 
usually knew that court of wards was 
meant for those who had defaulted in 
revenue. I do not know what sort of 
revenue this company had defaulted in. 

I shall go into a little detail about it 
later on. The whole thing is very foggy 
and it is not clear at all. There is a lot 
of whisper in die air, add I do not real- 
ly understand what this Government 
will really do In such a big steel plant 
in two yean. We want Sbri S. Mohan 



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(S^li Jyotirmoy Bowl 

Kumaramangalam to spell out quite 
clearly and categorically what he pro- 
poses to do in the steel plant. 

I cannot understand why Government 
have not nationalised all the steel plants. 
They have an Industrial Policy Resolu- 
tion which they never try in the open 
because it is convenient for them and 
they have taken only some pious reso- 
lution, and, therefore, they go in for 
this hanky-panky business. I had written 
to the Prime Minister two years ago 
urging her to nationalise both the steel 
plants, and her reply was that Govern- 
ment had no such intention to nationa- 
lise the steel plants. This is all very 
sudden thought. The hon. Minister, it 
seems, has a very special love for the 
Tatas. Mr. J. R. D. Tata has become 
their friend, philosopher and guide, as 
we see from the memorandum and as 
we see from the latest information that 
has come out in the Economic Times 
which says : 

“The expansion of TISCO from 
the present rated capacity of 2 million 
tonnes to 4 million tonnes (100 per 
cent increase) has been agreed upon 
by the Steel Minister. It is understood 
that it has been agreed that only the 
expanded part of TISCO, not the 
whole of TISCO will be in the joint 
sector/’. 

So, they have been very successfully 
able to hoodwink Government and get 
permission to raise their production by 
2 million tonnes, which is hundred per 
cent of their present capacity, under 
the pretext of this new hoax namely the 
joint sector. 

What is happening to the Industrial 
Policy Resolution? They are not only 
not taking over the steel plants, but they 
are also expanding the capacity of the 
private sector plant by hundred per cent 
under the garb of the joint sector. There 
was a lot of criticism some time ago 
about the mini-steel plants, but now they 
are expanding the capacity of a private 
sector steel plant by hundred per cent 
under the garb of joint sector. The quo- 
tation which I have given from the 
Economic Times must be an eye-opener 
I say that I am unable to understand 
what Sbri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam 
had stated yesterday, but 1 would not go 
into the details, because the time at my 
disposal is very short. I only want to 
teU him that the Hazara Report on the 
corporate sector says that Hat 'Tatas 



have Jess than 10 per cent of' the equity 
holdttggs in TISCO, and the.LIC, gov- 
ernmental financing institutions and the 
World Bank have very major holdings; 
about this, of course, Dr. Hazare is very 
silent 

About the operation of the sector 
which the hon. Minister directly con- 
trols, let me give the figures from the 
Report of the Ministry of Steel and 
Mines. The output of HSL in 1970-71 
was Rs. 426.55 lakhs, and in 1971-72, 
it was Rs. 378.30 lakhs. The total invest- 
ment in HSL till 31st March, 1971 is 
Rs. 1025.98 crores. What are the work- 
ing results? The working results for the 
various units during 1969-70 and 1970- 
71 were as under : For Durgapur steel 
Plant, it was — 20.401 crores of rupees; 
for the Fertiliser Plant at Rourkela. it 
was — 2.596 crores of rupees; I would 
not go into all the details. But the total 
is — 5.406 crores of rupees. That is the 
wonderful performance. I say, Doctor, 
heal thyself. If Government are serious 
about their business, then they should 
nationalise all the steel plants in the 
country which are in the private sector. 
But they are not anxious to do that. 

Now, I come to the production of 
steel and the brilliant performance of 
Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam who 
is trying to find fault with others. In the 
case of Durgapur, it was 1100,000 
tonnes in 1965-66. but now it has gone 
down to 700,000 tonnes. In the case of 
Rourkela it has come down from 

1065.000 tonnes to 823,000 tonnes, and 
in the case of TISCO, it has come down 
from 2001,000 tonnes to 1079,000 
tonnes, and in the case of IISCO, it has 
come down from 970,000 tonnes to 

617.000 tonnes. 

Now, I come to the production of 
saleable steel, by the main producers. 
In the case of Durgapur, while it was 

684.000 tonnes in 1965-66 it came 
down to 432,000 tonnes in 1971-72, 
while in the case of Rourkela, it came 
down from 782,000 tonnes to 598,000 
tonnes, and in the case of TISCO, it has 
come down from 1,568,000 tonnes to 

1.386.000 tonnes. 

This has been the performance of the 
steel plants. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. 
Member is talking about the, perfor- 
mance of the steel Ministry. But what 
about the Bill? What has - he to astf on 
the Bill? 



229 M WitindMn SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) Iron mi Steel Co. 230 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BQSU : J am 
talking about the Bill. My entire pur* 
pose in quoting these figures is to show 
that ‘the purpose of Government in 
bringing forward this measure is not to 
really better the economic condition of 
the country but this step is being taken 
with a particular motive. I am coming 
to that presently. That is why I have 
quoted these figures. This is nothing but 
a black feather on hia topi. 

I now come tel the observations of the 
Committee on Public Undertakings 
about Shri S. Mohan Kumaramangalam's 
Ministry. This is a wonderful piece of 
chit. The committee say : 

“The Committee are not satisfied 
with the reasons advanced for the 
abnormally low production.”. 

This is what they say at page 27. Again, 
at page 30, they say : 

“The Committee regret to note that 
even after nine years of the commis- 
sioning of the wheel and axle plant, 
the management have not been able 
to produce the steel ingots of requir- 
ed sizes for the wheel-making.”. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : How long 
could a Member go on being irrelevant? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Oh 
Christ Almighty, why don’t you keep 
your mouth shut? 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM: Why can he not 
behave properly in the House? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Let him 
better set an example. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARA- 
MANGALAM : I must protest on be- 
half of the other people here that he 
talks so rudely. We are also trying to 
observe certain . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am 
not yielding. Sir. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. 
Member should be very brief, because 
we have to take up some other discus- 
sion at 3 pan. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then, 
the Committee on Public Undertakings 
say : 

“The Committee regret to note that 
the HSL”. 


MR. DEPUTY iSPEAKBR : I must 
say that this is an arffUgpaMMtf against 
the performance of the Steel Ministry, 
but it has very' Httfe connection with 
the Bill. 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am 
pointing out all this because they are 
trying to find fault with others. We are 
for nationalisation of the entire steel 
industry. But why do this kind of thing 
under the pretext of inefficient manage- 
ment. . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He may 
reserve all this feu* some other occasion. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Then, 
the Committee on Public Undertakings 
have said : 

“The Committee regret to note that 
the HSL has suffered a cumulative 
loss of Rs. 172.83 crores by the end 
of March, 1970.”. 

In the last page of their report, the 
Committee say : 

“The examination of HSL has, how- 
ever, revealed serious deficiencies in 
the working of the undertaking which 
are summarised as follows : Low 
production, high cost of productivity, 
high rate of consumption of raw mate- 
rial, over-stalling, low productivity, 
heavy capital expenditure, heavy re- 
curring loss.”. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE: He is in 
fact supporting the arguments of Martin 
Burn. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : If this 
Government mean business, then they 
should nationalise all the steel plants 
and not go on further with this sort of 
thing and take the time of this House 
unnecessarily. 

IS hrs. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMAR AMAN- 
GALAM : I have no doubt when Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu returns to Calcutta, he 
will be welcomed with garlands by Sir 
Biren Mukerjee because he is the only 
person who has spoken in this manner 
during this entire debate. It might also 
be useful for him to remember . . . 
( Interruptions .) We listened to him 
patiently; he should also listen patiently 
when I reply; I know he cannot suc- 
ceed, but he should make an attempt. 



231 JUs. aadhuBmiron and AUGUST 22, 1972 Power crifisie Urn 232 

Steei Co. ew. BUI Country (Ms,) 


SHRI JYOTIRMbY BOSU: This 
it your atroiuM >' • 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : I think arrogance is a boot 
that fits another foot, not mine. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You 
are too big for your foot. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : If we look at the perfor- 
mance of the steel plants, Rourkela, 
Bhilai and Durgapur, I am sure hon. 
members will see from the very figures 
which Jhe bon. member '.quoted that 
they carry in this a tale. The profit of 
Rourkela in 1969-70 was Rs. 7.8 crores 
and in 1970-71 Rs. 10 crores; in Bhilai 
the profit was Rs. 3 crores and Rs. 11 
crores for these two years: There is the 
same management, as it were, for all 
the three steel plants, but in Durgapur, 
we had a loss of Rs. IS crores in 1969- 
70 and Rs. 20 crores in 1970-71. I do 
not say we have not managerial weak- 
nesses; we have many. I do not say 
that we do pay sufficient attention to 
maintenance; we do not. I do not say 
many improvements cannot be brought 
about; they can. But Shri Bosu should 
sometimes look into the mirror and see 
why it is that in Durgapur the position 
is different compared to the other two. 
TEe reason is that Shri Bosu and his 
friends are so non-co-operative there. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is 
because of the wrong attitude adopted. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : He may not like to hear the 
truth. But truth is truth and will have 
to be told, even if he does not like to 
hear it. That is all I want to say in 
reply. 

I know that hon. members and the 
House as a whole have warmly welcom- 
ed this Bill. I have explained all the 
points in detail. I do not want to re- 
peat myself and say why we have taken 
over the management. I am quite con- 
fident it will improve the position. I am 
quite confident we will improve the 
position . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We 
say: nationalise. 

SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : I am quite sure that we will 
do far more for IISO and far more for 
the people of Bengal than Shri Bosu 
and his friends have done for long. 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
question is : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed". 
The motion was adopted * 


15.03 hrs. 

DISCUSSION RE. POWER CRISIS 
IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE 
COUNTRY 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : 
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I would have 
called the present power crisis in 
the country as scandalous, but 1 
prefer to call it extremely alarming in 
view of its effect on the interest of the 
development of our national economy. 
The hon. Minister has not assured 
us that it will be possible for Govern- 
ment to surmount the present crisis or 
even lesson its impact; on the contrary, 
he has sounded a note of caution, a 
warning, that 1973 and 1974 may not 
also be years of satisfaction but rather 
of accentuation of the power crisis in 
our country. 

Almost every day whenever we open 
any newspaper in the morning, we find 
the words ‘power crisis’, ‘power famine’, 
‘power cut down’ and such like words, 
regarding the power crisis. 

Sir, strangely, this phenomenon of 
power crisis or power famine, as you 
may call it, is not a sudden growth. 
It is not like flood or earthquake. But 
it is almost a continuous process for 
the last few years. If you go through 
the papers, why papers, in almost every 
corner of the country, be it Gujarat, be 
it Ahmedabad, be it Calcutta or Har- 
yana, from every corner, you will find 
complaints coming in — there is a report 
of power shedding, shortfall of power 
or power cut, and so on and so forth. 
Therefore, this crisis is not of the nature 
of a sudden growth but it is a conti- 
nuous one, and this continuity follows 
a long and faulty planning in regard 
to the power requirements of our 
country. 

Today, I wanted to use very strong 
words against the Minister of Power; 
I was even in a mood to ask him to 
resign, but I want to desist from doing 
so. I want to desist from doing so, 
because on goihg through all the as- 
pects of the problem, I find that he 



233 [foimtrisb 


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alone ts not responsible, bat it is doe 
to the Planning Commission, and I 
should say, quite to a large extent due 
to the callousness of the Central Gov- 
ernment, which is also squarely and col- 
lectively responsible for the present 
power crisis. 

We find so many meetings of the 
National Development Council, meet- 
ings of Chief Ministers very frequently 
held, on land ceiling, urban ceiling and 
on many other issues. But we have not 
found, even on a single occasion, the 
Central Government having felt con- 
cerned over it, or having felt that this 
is a problem which has to be tackled 
very seriously and urgently and with a 
sense of urgency at the highest level. 
There have been no special meetings 
either of the Central Cabinet or of the 
Ministers of the different States or of 
the National Development Council to 
dwell in depth on the problem of the 
power crisis in our country. 

Power is a key to the kinetics of 
economic improvement. In other words, 
just as blood circulation is essential 
for the living body, similarly, trans- 
mission of power is absolutely essential 
for the economic growth of our coun- 
try. But we find that this vital issue 
which is Kitting at the very root of our 
national development has not been look- 
ed into properly, not today but by the 
makers of our planning. 

Sir, what is the effect that we find 
today? We find that a crisis has deve- 
loped in the production in farms and 
factories; in industry and agriculture; in 
trade and commerce; in all aspects and 
in all spheres, production is being cut 
as a result of power shortage. When 
there is loss in production or where 
there is failure in production, it results 
in unemployment, and it results in price 
rise, and eventually leading to inflation 
also. Therefore, the power crisis in 
many aspects has been leading to a 
vicious cycle of the economic crisis in 
our country. 

As I have said it is strange that this 
crisis is the cumulative effect of the 
faulty planning of the requirements of 
power of a developing country like ours. 
Our Planning Commission, — and perhaps 
the Ministry of Irrigation and Tower 
also contribute to it— made an assess- 
ment regarding power requirement. 
What is the assessment? They made 
an assessment, comparing it with the 


nnajsAkA) 

economic growth of our country, that 
there will be an yearly demand of 12 

E r cent growth in power production. 

t what ultimately transpired ? During 
the last two years ft was found that 
there was a big gap. fhe rate of de- 
mand or the yearly demand for power 
was not 12 per cent Actually it turned 
out to be 20 to 30 per cent; the average 
is about 25 per cent. That means that 
there was & gap of about 15 per cent 
in their assessment of the requirement. 
The rate of growth of the economy in 
the industrial and agricultural sectors 
and the rate of growth of power pro- 
duction must run parallel* but it has not 
been so; it has been running in diver- 
gent directions. This shows that the 
planners had not properly assessed re- 
quirements or production capacity. 

What was the target set for the 
Fourth Plan ? 23 mkw of p ower which 
was to be attained by 1974. Statistics 
and figures, are quite interesting. One 
figure is given by the Government and 
some other figure is given by other eco- 
nomists. * It was reported that Dr. Rao 
himself or somebody else said, perhaps 
in favour of some kind of a reserve 
capacity for power production, that the 
production target should be 26 mkw; 
somebody else said it should be 28 
mkws. 

According to the latest figures given 
by the Government, by the end of 1972 
capacity will be 17.7 mkw. Economic 
Times and some other papers say that 
by 1972 the production will be only 
15 mkws or 16 mkws; nobody is saying 
it will be 17.7 mkws or that the target 
will be reached. Even Mr. A. K. Ghosh 
in the brochure published by the Minis- 
try admitted that there would be a 
gap of two million kws. According to 
the calculations of other experts the 
gap would be 4-5 mkws. I do not 
know. What will be the exact gap. 

The current increase in growth rate 
appears to be about a million kws a 
year; it may be more according to the 
Government calculatiqns. The Govern- 
ment said that there would be a gap of 
two million kws; according to other 
calculations it will be 3 or 4 mkws. Tie- 
hind the target that was fixed for 1972. 

On such faulty assessment as the base, 
the Government have made another am- 
bitious programme for the next ten 
years and by 1980 the Government ex- 
pect to reach 52 mkw of power produc- 
tion. The Government have said that 



AOOXJSf 22.1*72 in the Country <Jbu.) 236 


[Shri Samar Gub|} 

by 1977 it will be $5 mkw Even if 
we concede to the claim 

lhat there will be onto* two million kw 
lap by the end of 3972, which means 
about 18 mkw of tip power, the Gov- 
ernment will have tc* produce by 1977. 
in the past the Government have not 
been able to increase the rate of pro- 
duction by more than a million kws 
a year. 

Even If the production is doubled, 
it would be extremely difficult to reach 
the target of 35 million kw. by 1977. 

The Government have referred to 2.5 
million kw of hydel, 2.5 million kw of 
thermal and 1.2 million kw nuclear 
power. They have said 8.5 million kw 
is already sanctioned and they expect 
to have 9.2 million kw of new genera- 
tion schemes. The Government have 
not given us any idea of the new gene- 
ration scheme, whether it will be in the 
nuclear sphere, hydel sphere or thermal 
sphere and on what basis these calcu- 
lations were made. 

The most important point is that the 
Government announced a new target of 
energising 15 lacks of new tubewells. 
That means the Government are coming 
out with a new programme of rural 
electrification. That means the Gov- 
ernment will have to divert power to 
the agricultural sphere which was not 
within the view when they formulated 
ten-year plan. This is a new factor 
which has to be taken into considera- 
tion. 


I say that the whole basis of the as 
sessment of requirement of power, an< 
our capacity fo produce power, has no 
been realistically assessed by our plan 
ners. There are so many duplication 
of organisations. There is the Irriga 
tion Ministry, the Planning Commissioi 
and the Central Water & Power Com 
mission, composed of part-timers. On 
of the most important reasons for thi 
faulty, wrong, incorrect and unreal as 
sessment of our requirement and capa 
city to produce new power is that then 
is no co-ordinated body. That is one o 
me reasons for the power crisis. 

* ^ope wi!1 a « ree when 

say that if the Government want tc 
tackle this problem effectively the mbs 
important thing to be done is that then 

«nH U n- a ,. Cent f al Power Productfor 
and Distribution Authority. Unless tft 


Government da that, it will be impos- 
sible to tackle the power crisis today 
or in the future in our country. There 
is u report in the press that the Plan- 
ning Commission is not agreeable to 
such suggestion to have a centralised 
authority to deal with the whole power 
problem 

Though there are Electricity Boards 
in every State, they are running to the 
Centre every time for help. The State 
Electricity Boards have failed to tackle 
the problem of power in the States. 
Therefore, it is absolutely essential that 
the Centre should take over this subject. 
Even though it is in the Concurrent 
List, by the consent of all the Chief 
Ministers of States, the Government 
can constitute a central authority for 
dealing with this subject. 

I have said that power is the kinetic 
of our economic movement; power is 
the key to the whole economic growth 
of our country. Therefore, unless power 
is dealt with firmly on a national basis, 
it will be a disaster for the future of 
our economy. Therefore, there should 
be a central authority, if necessary 
even by changing of the constitutional 
provisions. That statutory central body 
should have whole- time members and 
not part-timers like the Central Power 
Commission. If the Government can 
do it then only they will be able to 
tackle this problem. 

The first function of this body would 
be to re-assess the whole requirements, 
the earlier demand for power and also 
how it would be comparable with the 
rate of growth of our economy, both 
in the agricultural as well as in the in- 
dustrial sector. 

There are three sectors of power gene- 
ration, the hydel sector, the thermal 
sector and also the atomic sector. In 
the atomic sector, it is only a very 
small contribution,^ that is, 0.8 per cent. 
Then, after the failure of the first unit 
of the Tarapore Atomic Plant, there is 
the threat of the failure of the second 
unit of the Tarapore Atomic Plant also. 
Now, they say, there is a fault in the 
design in the construction of the Tara- 
pore unit. t Again, the liana Pratap 
Sagar Atomic Project is now critical. 
The power production will start soon. 
Now, I should say, that in the atomic 
sector, care must be taken to see that 
there is nd loophole left in design of 
the construction of the power plant. 



23$ Power crisjg SRAVANA 3Ii 

lie Kalpakam plant is also coming. 
Therefore, they should be careful 
against the future posibility of deve- 
loping any design defects in our nuclear 
installations. 

As regards the hydel sector, it is an 
admirable achievement on the part of 
the Government as in the last 2± decades 
that there has been four times increase 
in the production of electricity in the 
hydel sector. 


Then, 1 find, there is greater empha- 
sis on the thermal side. If we really 
want to put greater emphasis on ther- 
mal power production, we have to see 
that there is availability of wagons and 
maintenance of traffic. The Govern- 
ment have to see that coal moves and 
moves quickly. The Power Ministry 
will have to sit with the Railway Minis- 
ter to see that the wagon production 
is maintained. The Government should 
have to see that traffic is maintained, 
that there is no undue delay, erratic 
delay, in the movement of coal. This 
is absolutely essential. 

There is another point about the im- 
port of crude oil. Unless the Govern- 
ment can increase the import of crude 
oil, there is no possibility of increasing 
the production of electricity in the ther- 
mal plant sector. 

All these aspects have to be taken in- 
to consideration. That is the reason 
why I have said that" there should be a 
Central statutory body consisting of ex- 
perts of the Railways, the Planning 
Commission and also from different 
other sectors so that there will be an 
integrated, a coordinated plan. That 
Central authority should exert to see 
that they will be able to execute the 
policy that they will adopt both in the 
sphere of production and in the sphere 
of distribution, in the sphere of trans- 
mission. This is the lorrg~-range pers- 
pective. 

Now, I come to the short-term pers- 
pective. Today, we are talking about 
economic recovery of West Bengal. In 
PariSibad, just a few' months back, 900 
factories were partially closed. Their 
capacity was, I should say, not fully uti- 
lised. The same thing happened in 
Ahmedabad; the same thing happened 
in Bombay. Whaf about Calcutta? Due 
to the power shedding and rationalisa- 
tion of power, Calcutta industries had 


1W4 (SAKA) in the Country (Bis.) 238 

to give up the three-shift week: Be- 
cause the Government cannot supply 
pbwef, the result is that there is colos- 
sal w&te of bur production capacity; 
there is colossal waste in our industrial 
production . and, I. should say, there is 
colossal waste of employment potential. 
There is colossal waste of our hidden 
production capacity also. It remains 
completely unutilised. It a tall talk 
that there is going to be economic reco- 
very of'West Bengal. West Bengal in- 
dustries can produce in one shift, two 
shifts and three shifts. But due to the 
power shortage, they cannot work even 
in one shift 


We find, only a few days before, 
there was a threat in West Bengal and 
Bihar that coal production may be 
stopped because of the wagon scarcity 
and other things. These ate the things 
to be looked into. 

Now, I want to go to another impor- 
tant point. We are talking of a natio- 
nal grid for the transmission of electri- 
city. That is a very high objective. But 
at the moment, that is not possible. 
At least, tfie^ Government could estab- 
lish a regional grid. "What we find is 
that there is one crisis region — West 
Bengal, Bihar and U.P.; another crisis 
region in regard to industrial and agri- 
cultural production— Haryana, Punjab 
and Delhi an<T~ another crisis region — 
Gujarat and Maharashtra. There are 
States where there is shortage of power; 
whereas there are States where there is 
surplus of power. So is the case in the 
case of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh, My- 
sore and Kerala. At least, for the tem- 
porary benefit, to meet this crisis on a 
short-term basis, some regional grids can 
be set up. The Government can inte- 
grate Orissa, West Bengal, Bihar and 
Uttar Pradesh. We can at least try to 
equate /transmission of regional power. 
We can have another grid : Maharash- 
tra. Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, and 
another of Delhj, Haryana, Punjab and 
Rajasthan. Another regional grid can 
be set up with Mysore, Andhra Pra- 
desh, Kerala and Tamil Nadu inter- 
connected. If these regional grids are 
set up, at least to a' certain extent the 
problem of shortage of power will be 
met. 

In our country, m the process of 
transmission of electricity, 16 per cent 
of electricity is lost. Our present pro- 
duction target is 17.7 million kilowatts 
and one-sixth of that is lost. In no 



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AUGUST 22, 1972 


i» tht Camay (DU.) 240 


[Shri Samar Guha] 

other country id the worid is there such 
a huge loss in the process of transmis- 
sion. In America it is less than half 
of this. In every country in the process 
of transmission there it loss of power. 
But here it is more than 16 per cent. 

If you give serious attention, 1 think, 
it is possible to reduce it to half; the 
loss of power in the process of trans- 
mission can be curtailed to half of the 
present loss; 8 or 9 or 10 per cent elec- 
tricity can lie thus saved in the process 
of transmission. The Minister of Irri- 
gation and Power has said that there 
are problems of having standardisation 
of plant, better equipment, maintenance, 
to deal with breakdowns of plants etc. 
Certainly, that is the reason why I say 
that a co-ordinated body is necessary 
to tackle all the problems. 

I find that the estimate of power con- 
sumption in T968-69 was : industry 
70.1%; domestic lighting and commer- 
cial purposes 14.3%; agriculture 8.8%; 
and others 6.8%. For 1973-74 the 
figures are: industry 69.1%; domestic 
use and others 12%; agriculture 11.9%; 
and others 6.8%. That means, there 
will be a three per cent increase in the 
case of agricultural sector. That is all- 
right. But for domestic and others we 
find that in 1968-69 it was 21.1% and 
in 1973-74 we are going to use 18.8%. 
You may not rationalise power supply 
in the case of industry or agriculture, 
but drastic rationalisation of power sup- 
ply is necessary in the case of domestic 
sphere and others. Kerosene can be 
used. Our industry is .the main thing; 
agricultural production is an important 
thing. For domestic uses, kerosene can 
be used. If need be, after 10 P.M. 
there should be no lights in the streets. 
That way it is possible to bring about 
some reduction here. We are going to 
use 18.8% of our power supply for 
domestic and other purposes ! We have 
to rationalise this consumption, if need 
be, by reverting to the mediaeval age 
in order to promote the growth of eco- 
nomy in the spheres of industry and 
agriculture. 


15.30 hrs. 

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Centralised Statutory co-ordinated body 
with full-time experts to tackle the 
whole problem on a national basis and 
with a national perspective; otherwise, 
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SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA 
5erampore) : The power crisis has be- 
om e an all-India feature, and almost a 
ermanent crisis, whatever may be tne 
rofessions of this Government or ot 
)r K L Rao. Only on the 8th of 
bis month. Dr. K. L. Rao in reply to 
question stated so many reasons for 
be power crisis and the shortage of 
ower, but he cleverly avoided what 
oncrete steps he was going to take to 

i_. it. 


SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY 
(Nizamabad): Sincerely avoided. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : He cleverly avoided; of course, 
he could have been sincere in this res- 
pect, namely to shield the face of this 
Government, because they are not sin- 
cere in any respect to see that the 
people live in comfort. 

The situation in the eastern region 
and especially in West Bengal, Tripura, 
Bihar and Assam defies any description. 
You will find from the papers that in 
this region there is a daily agitation not 
only by the ordinary people but even 
by the big industrialists that due to 
power failure, they are facing serious 
crisis in respect of production. Govern- 
ment were very keen that the economic 
situation in West Bengal should be 
improved and' brought up to the proper 



245 : 


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SRAVANA 31, 1594 iSAKA) in tho Count W (JDi ».) 2# 


position and 4*y said would 

beta in ail respects. But the papers 
whfbh are very much looking to the 
interests of the Government and are 
supporting the Government s policy 
have come forward with the statement 
that they, are feeling shaky to make 
fresh investment not only in West Ben- 
gal but also in Bihar. 


What is happening in the neighbour- 
ing State of Bihar? Since the month 
of April, we are hearing complaints 
about the power station at Pathratu; 
that is in a chaotic condition. While 
the installed capacity is 400 MW, it is 
only generating 44 MW. It caters 
power to the Chota-Nagpur range areas. 
The same is the position in regard to 
the Barauni generating plant. While its 
capacity is 145 MW it is actually pro- 
ducing only 66 MW. As a result of 
this, the small and big industries in the 
Barauni range are suffering. 


Coming to the industrial situation in 
West Bengal, I Wotfld submit that it is 
in doldrums. There is not a day on 
which there is no power shedding. Not 
only the industries, but even the citi- 
zens living in the towns are facing the 
same crisis. We are not speaking of 
power in respect of tube-wells or in the 
agriculture sector. For, the tube-wells 
are only in name in our State, while 
there are so many in Punjab. Many 
things have been said about tube-wells, 
but you would not find any tube-well 
functioning in West Bengal; even the 
small number of tube-wells which are 
run with power are at a standstill. 
But you will not find them running in 
due time. The main reason, as far as 
we can gather from the statements of 
Ministers at the Centre and in the State, 
is that the generating capacity to meet 
the demand is less and hence this shor- 
tage. But even the existing plants can- 
not run to full rated capacity. 

What is happening to the Bandal 
thermal power station ? Four units, 
each having 85 MW capacity, were in- 
stalled. When it was planned, it was 
shown as if all the units would run 
simultaneously, but in actual practice, 
it has been seen that one has to remain 
as a standby. Even 50 per cent of the 
projected capacity cannot be generated 
from the station. The lame is the situa- 
tion regarding the TPL and other. pro- 
jects In the Start sector. 

r nr ** * ~ * ~ ^ *).■ 1 

There are stale companies run pri- 
vately like the Calcutta Electric Supply 


Corporation. They are playing tricks. 
They are taking advantage of the pre- 
sent ~ Gbvemnjent and intentionally 
keeping their capacity idle. The mystery 
is this : they get power at a cheaper 
cost from the State Electricity Board. 
At night when the Calcutta Electric 
Supply Corporation uses power from 
the State Electricity Board, they are to 
pay only 2P per unit; during daytime 
they get it at merely 4.5P or so. The 
same company is selling power to in- 
dividual consumers at 19P per unit day 
and night. 

Recently, the Calcutta Electric Sup- 
ply Corporation have told the State 
Government — it has appeared in the 
papers — thajt they can even generate to 
the extent of 30-40 MW if certain con- 
cessions are given to them. What con- 
cessions are demanded the papers do 
not say. , But my point is that whatever 
Dr. Rao might say, at the present mo- 
ment, the total installed generating 
capacity in West Bengal is not more 
than 1,500 MW. But we do not get 
that. We get far less. There is a daily 
gap of 30 MW. The State Government 
sometimes behaves like Mohammed Bin 
Tughlak holding their Cabinet meeting 
in this city or that district town. In 
the same way, today they may say that 
there will be rationing in power, and 
another day, two or three days after- 
wards, jou will see that there will be 
staggering of the working hours in the 
factories. There is no decision. They 
are still in indecision as to how to 
make up this gap, and as a result 
of this, I do not say that if all the con- 
trol of power generating stations and 
the responsibility are taken over by the 
Government at the Centre, then the 
West Bengal people will be happy and 
they will get full power. I have no 
belief. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please con- 
clude. 

SHRI * DINBN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : I say that, on the other hand, the 
whole policy not only in respect of 
power but in respect of other issues also 
is wrong. (Interruption* i). 

MR. CHAIRMAN : We are not dis- 
cussing other issues; we are discussing 
only power. Please finish. Your time 
is over. 

SHRl D1NEN BHATTACHAIW- 
YA: Why are you getting agitated? I 
do not have any faith* ia- the , Cfentral 



247 fmtcrisit AUGUST 22, 1972 i»!fuC*mtry(J)i 3 .) 248 


[Shri Disea Bbattachgryya] 

Government. I say that home concrete 
steps have to be taken. You us speak- 
ing of the Santhaldih project What is 
the condition of it ? 1 blow it has come 
in the papers. You. Sit, are also inte- 
rested in it, because you live in Bihar 
which is our neighbouring State. There, 
the machines have come long back, but 
they are not installed. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You should con- 
clude now. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : Even if you put the Santhaldih 
project into operation, the power de- 
mand of West Bengal will not be met. 
So, my submission is that the Govern- 
ment at the Centre must make up their 
mind as to how to make up this gap 
of 30 megawatts and also to see that 
the Calcutta Electricity Supply Corpo- 
ration is taken over, so that they may 
not play havoc at the time of our crisis. 
(Interruption). The Calcutta Electricity 
Supply Corporation should be taken 
over. ... 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA: Sir, I have not completed. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You have com- 
pleted. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : The Government at the Centre is 
bungling in the matter of power supply. 

(Interruption). 

MR. CHAIRMAN: I have got a 
number of speakers on the list. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : That is the main reason why our 
people are suffering. So, the Minis- 
ter must be honest enough to 
admit — ** 

MR. CHAIRMAN :’ No, please. 
Nothing will go on record. Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARY- 
YA : If three hours time is allotted, 
what is our Group’s share ? You calcu- 
late it. 


MR. CHAIRMAN: You have al- 
ready taken 14 minutes. Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra. 

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DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : Mr. 
Chairman., famines and floods have been 
stalking our country for the last several 
years and now they have become acute. 
What is the perspective before the coun- 
try in regard to generation of power? 
Dr. Rao, who is our Irrigation and 
Power Minister for the last ten years, 
has mentioned in his statement in the 
Lok Sabha on the 8th August 1972 that 
our country would be facing a serious 
power shortage in 1973-74. That means 
our position will become worse. And 
still he has no plans. He was absolute- 
ly complacent for ten years. One Cal- 
cutta newspaper, dealing with the power 
crisis, has stated that complacence is 
the occupational disease of our Minister 
of Irrigation and Power. What has he 
done to see that in 1973-74 we may not 
have to face a bigger crisis ? 

He has failed as Irrigation Minister, 
he has failed as Minister in charge of 
controlling floods; floods have become 
an annual feature. He has also failed 
in regard to generation and supply of 
power. That is our charge against him. 
So, the country wants his resignation. 
There is no other way because he has 
proved himself to be a total failure in 
regard to the subject entrusted to his 
charge. 

In Punjab there is already a powei 
cut of 20 per cent. Now Punjab is de- 
manding Delhi to cut its power con- 
sumption by 40 per cent. Nangal Ferti- 
lizer is having a cut of, 25 per cent in 
its power supply. Sir, as you and I 
know, much more keenly felt by the 
poor people, when people go home after 
a hard day-s work they find there is no 
water in the tap because of the failure 
of electricity. 

At the same time, in UP the Hindallo, 
an aluminium company of Birla, is snp- 
phwl power gt a very cheap jafc, In 
fact, 60 Congress "ML As have repttsent- 
ad to thp government that- they should 

m!«? vc L^ ls J^P ccr ^ When the Ri- 
Bknd project was first Conceited, the 


idea was to supply powers eastern 
UP, which is proverbially short of 
power, whiftfc is Dackwtkl Snd which 
needs industrial development. That 
power is now mostly used by this con- 
cern of Birlas. 

UP Government wanted a sum of 
Rs. 60 crores in order to put throu gh 
their special rabi crop programme, 
their special rabi crop programme 
jab. Punjab industries are going out. 
That is what the newspaper reports say. 
The worst hit is West Bengal and Bihar. 
During the First Five Year Plan period, 
m the eastern region, they were the fore- 
most in the power production and in 
the transmission of power, according to 
the Planning Commission. Today. Bihar 
and Bengal are at the lowest. In Ben- 
gal and Bihar, there are more than 300 
collieries that have been stopped. The 
Minister has said that poisonous gases 
cannot be extracted from the coal-fields 
because there is power shortage. The 
factories are at a standstill in Bihar and 
in Bengal and, more so, in Calcutta. 

i<™ eS x„£ eng £ Is power Production is 
1500 MW. But actually 850 MW of 
power are produced, that is, only 55 
per cent. Calcutta’s industrial belt con- 
sumes 560 MW. Since April this year 
only 435 MW of power are being pre 
duced. Last year, about 2 lakhs of 

Z r ri e ^.7tL e , la !? °f ^ * ear ’ many 

more will be laid off. 

My hon friend, Shri Bibhuti Mishra 
has not told the whole story about north 
Bihar. North Bihar is a total black- 
out. in the eastern region, north Ben- 
gal and north Bihar are a total black- 
out. There should have been some 
plannmg m order to energise north 

5™. ? nd . north Bengal. Dalkhola 
power plant is supposed to supply power 
to north Bihar, north Bengal small gas 
turbines in north Bengal, and to Bangla- 
£• J . s i ta PW Plan? Then, Jal- 
J a h ? ka , hyd f unit, during monsoons, 
has to be closed. Such is the planning. 

Minister might say that this 

““ r,; *" *** “> 

ria?t“°*rw e San , th * ldih power 

etet U.™ at needs water from Term- 
gnat dam, About Farakka Barrage as 

* p& r Sknthafdih 

thermal power plant, water isreJSreS 



253 power trials 1 SRAVaNA 3l, im (SlAMQ in thecoma (IH*) 2U 


from Tenughat dam to the tune of 120 
cusees of water every day of the year* 
Whether that will be available or not 
nobody knows* Unnecessarily, a quar- 
rel has been created. 

What is the position in the whole of 
Bihar and West Bengal? The D.V.C. 
is attributing the failure to the State 
Electricity Board. The State Electricity 
Board is attributing the failure to the 
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation or 
other Corporation like that and they, in 
turn, are accusing the D.V.C. for their 
failure. Now. when the D.V.C. started 
functioning, it was doing well both for 
Bihar and West Bengal. After some- 
time, instead of strengthening the 
D.V.C*, there is a plan to bifurcate the 
D.V.C. Again, a quarrel between Ben- 
gal and Bihar is in the offing. I say 
that this Minister should bear all res- 
ponsibility. Personally, I have very 
great regard for Dr. K. L. Rao. But it 
is a question of country’s future. There- 
fore. I have to say all this. 

Dr. K. L. Rao has said in his state- 
ment that the Fourth Plan expectation 
has not been fulfilled. Why? There 
is no proper maintenance there is no 
training institute for technical person- 
nel. What was he doing? Supervision 
and repair work is not done properly. 
The Electricity Act has to be amend- 
ed. Why did he not think of it before. 

About the Calcutta Electric Supply 
Corpojation — l do not know about 
Bihar — the Government has exempted 
them from annual inspection of boilers 
and other things. The Calcutta Electric 
Supply Corporation cannot produce ade- 
quate amount of energy. The CossO- 
pore power generating station has al- 
most stopped; the Matiaburuz plant has 
almost half-stopped and Mulajore plant 
has also half-stopped. 

In regard to Chandrapura power 
plant in Bihar, what is the position? 
It is not fully commissioned yet. It 
has to supply power to Bokaro There 
should be another power plant for 
Bokaro so that Chandrapura plant can 
supply that power to Bihar and Bengal. 
There should have been planning like 
tins. There is very little time. I have 
to make certain suggestions. 

In Santhaldih, one unit is to be set 
up; it has not yet been set up; that will 
be set up, according to Government, 
in 1973 but according to public it will 
9—11 L. S. S/72 


not be set up before 1914. Even if that 
is set up, AC transmission lines of 220 
will be required; I do not know whe- 
ther that will be ready or not. Cban- 
drapura in Bihar Should be strengthen- 
ed; otherwise, that part of Bihar^ will 
suffer. For Bokaro there Should be 
another plant. Therefore, Chandra- 
pura unit should be strengthened, in 
Durgapur, DVC, there should be one 
more unit of 200 megawatts. About 
Bokaro, I have already said. In Pan- 
chat, there should be another hydel. 
There should be pumping storage in 
Konar; that is also in Bihar. The Cal- 
cutta Electric Supply Corporation 
should be taken over and there should 
be an integrated scheme for Bengal and* 
Bihar. These two States were the first 
in the list of power generation and dis- 
tribution m the First Five-Year Han. 
Now these two States will again come 
up. I will not say that they should be 
first again, but they should at least come 
out or the present power difficulty. 

As I have said before, DVC should 
not be bifurcated; it should be strength- 
ened. There should be proper set- 
ting up of an institute to train techni- 
cal personnel — supervisors and others 
who will be required for power-generat- 
ing stations and for transmission. 
Sufficient amount of spare parts should 
be available. My report is that, in cer- 
tain parts of Bihar, in power-generating 
stations, spare parts Are not available 
in time and, therefore, they are suffer- 
ing; the boilers are onf of commission. 

A Commission has been set up by 
Dr. Rao and the West Bengal Gov- 
ernment headed by Mr. A. K. Ghosh; 
he is allright . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour) : He is not allright; he 
is an undesirable person. 

DR. RANEN SEN: As far as I 
know, he is allright. There are three 
others: on e from the Calcutta Electric 
Supply Corporation, one from the DVC, 
one from West Bengal State Electricity 
Board. These three organisations are 
accused before the public; they are on 
the dock. Now representatives are 
taken in order to find out who are res- 
ponsible for the power failure. There- 
fore, I say that this is a farce enacted 
particularly on the eastern part of 

Dr. K&o himself knows that the pro- 
sent day tendency of the world is tp* 



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[Dr. Ranen Sen| 1 

have atomic power stations. Unfortu- 
nately, what is happening in our coun- 
try? rhe Tarapur Atomic Power Plant 
is out of order. There is a power crisis 
in Gujarat and Maharashtra. Atomic 
power plant is the present-day, modern 
tendency in regard to power generation. 
I know that it will take some more 
time, but particular attention should be 
given from Punjab to Orissa to have 
proper power generation units. 

1 have suggested that in Bokaro there 
should be one, Santhaldih unit should 
be strengthened, Chandrapura unit 
should be strengthened. For North 
Bihar and North Bengal there should 
be separate power stations so that the 
whole of North Bihar and can be sup- 
plied and the whole of North Bengal 
and Bangla Desh can be supplied power. 
With these words, I again say that Dr. 
Rao has not fulfilled his responsibility 
and he has no right to stay as Irriga- 
tion Minister. 

SHRI P. VENKATAS UBBAIAH 
(Nandyal): Mr. Ranen Sen, I am sorry 
to say, has been very uncharitable to 
Minister in charge of Irrigation and 
Power. If you can see the phenomenal 
growth in the production of power in 
this country, it will show that the Minis- 
ter in charge of this Ministry has done 
a remarkable job. 

The generation of power has risen 
from 6.6 billion k.w. h. in 1950-51 to 20.1 
(billion k.w. h. in 1960-61. We cannot 
hold Dr. Rao for natural calamities and 
for certain unforeseen circumstances 
that have taken place in the country, 
during 1970-71 the total generation was 
61.62 billion k.w.h. The rise is from 6 6 
billion k.w.h. to 61.2 biUion k.w.h. More- 
over, the generation of power is prima- 
rily the responsibility of State Govern- 
ments and their capacity to start cer- 
tain power projects.* Viewed in this 
•context, I can say without any fear 
of contradiction that there has been a 
remarkable growth in this regard. 

Coming to the actual motion under 
discussion about the power crisis in this 
country, I can say that it has affected 
not only one part of the country but 
'the entire country and more so certain 
States where they have been suffering 
from acute power shortage. I would 
like to mention the power position in 
.Andhra tPratfesh. 


16.17 hrs. 

[Shri R. D. Bhandakb in the Chair.] 

There is a great imbalance in power 
generation in the country. I have come 
across a note that has been circulated 
by the Ministry of Irrigation and Power 
with regard to the draft Fifth Five Year 
Plan and the power development pro- 
gramme and power imbalance. There 
they have stated : 

“In this region (referring (to the 
southern region), again, there is large 
imbalance in power development, the 
most backward being Andhra Pradesh, 
where the per capita consumption of 
electricity at present is very low and 
would continue to be so even with the 
implementation of the scheme includ- 
ed in the State in the Fifth Plan. This 
disparity can be narrowed down only 
by a deliberate policy and by taking 
measures which would generate eco- 
nomic activity for which provision of 
electricity generation facilities would 
be a vital factor. In this context, 
apart from providing a share from 
the central sector schemes indicated 
above, it would be necessary to give 
serious consideration to the question 
of taking up for implementation in 
the central sector a hundred mega- 
watts thermal station as Andhra Pra- 
desh has large coal reserves.” 

I have made certain critical analysis 
and study of the position of power 
generation in the country. I would like 
to compare the position of power m the 
neighbouring States. As I told you 
earlier, as against the All India per 
capita consumption of 90 kilowatt hours, 
Andhra Pradesh is having only 50 kilo- 
watt hours whereas in the neighbouring 
States of Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu, 
with the same size and population the 
per capita consumption of power is 200 
kilowatt hours. It is not due to any 
lethargy or complacency on the part of 
the State Government. Certain factors 
have helped to have more power gene- 
rated and supplied to these States For 
instance, take the neighbouring State 
of Tamil Nadu. There are two central 
sector projects situated in this State. 
One is the Neiveli and the other is the 
Kalpakkam atomic power station. In 
Neiveli the power that is being gene- 
rated is being done at the cost of the 
Central Government and there is no 
financial commitment on the part of 
the Tamil Nadu Government. Even 
then, the power that is generated which 



257; PmmcrMi SRAVANA 31 1194 (SARA) Littommttry (Maj 298 


has to be shared by the neighbouring 
States is being denied and Andhra Pra- 
desh is the worst sufferer. Same is the 
ease with Kalpakkam. 

Why I am stating these facts is to 
Show that the power crisis in Andhra 
Pradesh is more acute compared to 
other States. We know how these con- 
tinuing schemes are hampered for want 
of financial assistance which is further 
accentuating power crisis. The Lower 
Sileru project in Andhra Pradesh and 
the Srisailam Hydro-electric Project in 
Andhra Pradesh are the two projects 
which were hard hit,, I should, say, for 
want of financial resources. For the 
Lower Sileru project, if the necessary 
financial assistance is provided, it can 
give the cheapest power in the whole 
country. So also, regarding the Srisai- 
lam hydro-electric project. But in res- 
pect of Lower Sileru project the situa- 
tion is more agonising because the en- 
tire civil works of the portion of the 
project has been completed, but for 
want of the generating sets the whole 
project is suffering. The State Govern- 
ment has pleaded its inability to pro- 
vide finance for these generating sets 
and they have sought central assistance 
to give them some Rs. 12 crores for 
setting up of these generating units. 

But, Sir, the Central Government has 
been adopting penny-wise attitude and 
they have denied the assistance sought 
for by the State Government while in 
similar cases this kind of assistance has 
been given. 

I only request Dr. Rao that he should 
not feel embarrassed that he comes from 
Andhra and feel shy of coming to the 
rescue of Andhra Pradesh. He has to 
do justice in this regard. 

So also in respect of the Srisailam 
Hydro Electric project. That project is 
envisaged to be constructed at a cost 
of Rs. 70 crores. Only Rs. 20 crores 
have been spent. It was proposed to be 
completed by 1973-74. But, due to lack 
of financial assistance this project is 
suffering. Almost the entire comple- 
ment of the people engaged in the con- 
struction there had been retrenched and 
the whole work has come to a stand- 
still. This has to be borne in mind. 
This is a centrally-situated project 
which can give electricity without any 
power leakage to the entire Andhra 
Pradesh and other adjoining areas. 

I would like to draw the attention of 
, the hon. Minister that after the Kalindi 


hydro-electric project is comphtf, all 
the possible avenues for generation of 
hydro-elpdtricity will be exhausted in 
the south. We have naturally to look 
for other projects, other than hydro- 
electric. As Mr. Ranen Sen and Mr. 
Samar Guha pointed out, the other pro- 
jects that could be harnessed and elec- 
tricity could be generated could be pro- 
jects based on coal and also on atomic 
power. For this purpose, 1 beg to sub- 
mit, Andhra Pradesh is best suited 
where there is an abundance of coal 
and this is very suitable for starting the 
thermal plants. Also, a place like Sri- 
sailam is ideally-suited because it is 4 t 
sparsely-populated areas, and can be 
selected for starting atomic power sta- 
tions. These can be treated as a Cen- 
tral projects and power could be sup- 
plied to other areas which suffer for 
want of electricity. 

So, Sir, I urge upon the Central Gov- 
ernment that they should come to the 
assistapce of the Lower Sileru project 
as they have done in the case of Kalindi. 
Mysore Government was given a special 
assistance in this regard. I don’t grudge 
aid being given to Mysore but my em- 
phasis is that Andhra Pradesh also 
should get the benefit as has been given 
in the case of the other States. 

Lastly, coming to generation, I would 
say this. There is inadequacy of invest- 
ment with regard to generation and 
distribution. Only 41 per cent of the 
total investment is being spent on dis- 
tribution and this situation has got to 
be remedied. T support the contention 
of Shri Samar Guha. There should be 
a central authority with an investment 
of Rs. 6500 crores to see that these pro- 
jects are taken up and power is distri- 
buted on equitable basis so that the 
country may not suffer for want of 
power, because, when power is denied, 
industrial growth is denied, agricultural 
growth is denied and the whole economy 
of the country will become stagnant and 
there will* be no •further growth or deve- 
lopment. With these few words, I re- 
sume my seat and I thank you for the 
opportunity given to me to speak. 

SHRI M. C. DAGA (Pali) : On a 
point of order. When a motion is 
moved under rule 193, and any Mem- 
ber gives intimation to the Speaker 
under rule 19 5, if he is not given a 
diance to speak, then what is to be 
done? A Member who has given 
notice that he wants to take part in 
the discussion under rule 193 should 
be allowed to speak. , 



25* Pom crisis. 


AUGUST 42; 19 H 


MR* CHAIRMAN i^His point is 
note<£~ Nqw, Shri Chitpfabu, 

♦SHRI C. CHITTIBABU (Cfaingle- 
put) : Mr. Chairman, Sir* <ny hem. fri- 
end, Shri Samar Guba bm raised this 
very important and tigiely discussion 
on the power crisis in different parts of 
the country. I am grateful to you for 
giving me an opportunity to participate 
in the debate 6n behalf of my party, 
the Dravida Muxmetra Kazhagam. 

The hon. Members who preceded me 
spoke about the power crisis in differ- 
ent parts of the country, substantiating 
their arguments with positive proof. No 
other proof is required than the order 
of the Prime Minister not to continue 
for more than one day the illumination 
of Rashtrapathi Bhavan and the Parlia- 
ment House on the day when we cele- 
brated the Silver Jubilee of our Inde- 
pendence. There cannot be any other 
reproof for our very capable and talent- 
ed Minister of Irrigation and Power, 
Dr. K. L. Rao when the common peo- 
ple of our country's capital were denied 
even this elementary enjoyment of wit- 
nessing the illumination for a day more. 
I do not think that this House requires 
any other proof for the power crisis in 
the country. The circumstances under 
which this has been done pose a ques- 
tion mark about the competence of the 
hon. Minister of Irrigation and Power 
and of his Ministry in tackling this 
issue. 

My hon. friend, Shri Venkatasub- 
baiah, who spoke before me, showed his 
accusing finger at Tamil Nadu for deny- 
ing Andhra Pradesh its requirement of 
power, as if Tamil Nadu has got abund- 
ance of electric power. I am happy that 
he remembered Tamil Nadu at least in 
this connection and I hope that his utter- 
ance becomes a reality. But the real 
position is that Tamil Nadu has been 
going with a begging bowl to Kerala 
and Mysore for the supply of power. 
Tamil Nadu has not achieved self-suffi- 
ciency in electric power' and I wish that 
Shri Venkatasubbaiah is aware of this. 
If inspite of the best efforts on the part 
of my party Government in Tamil Nadu 
self-sufficiency in power has not been 
achieved, it is mainly due to the vascil- 
lation on the part of the hon. Minister 
of Irrigation and Power. It is clear 
that the hon. Minister of Irrigation and 
Power has not and cannot come to grip 
with the problems by taking definite 
decisions. 


in the country (Dtf) 2*9 

When I was the Mayor of Madras in* 
the year 1965, I arranged the inaugur#* 
tion of the drinking water scheme under 
the presidentship of our Irrigation and 
Power Minister, Dr. Rao. At that time 
I referred to the Cauvery water problem. 
But the hon. Minister slipped away like 
the swift-moving waters of the river. 
After the D.M.K. Party assumed the 
Office in Tamil Nadu, this drinking wa-* 
ter supply scheme is being implemented. 


I know the debating talent of the 
hon. Minister and I am sure he will 
score winning points by putting forth 
counter-arguments to all the issues rais- 
ed in this House. But, here it is not a 
question of his arguing capacity ; it i& 
the question of primary requisite of the 
people of our country. The hon. Mi* 
nister of Irrigation and Power, with all 
his debating skill, cannot absolve him* 
self and his Ministry from the blame 
for the power crisis in the country. 

The target of producing 230 lakh 
kwh of power at the end of the Fourth 
Five Year Plan has been fixed by his 
Ministry. It is also estimated that the 
demand in the country will also be of 
the same order. During 1973-74, it is 
expected that there will be a shortage 
of 3 lakh kwh. I am not saying this,, 
but the hon. Minister himself has accept* 
ed this on the floor of this House. He 
has also expressed his apprehension that 
it may not be possible to achieve the 
Fourth Plan target of production. 25 
years after our Independence, the per 
capita consumption of power in our 
country is just 200, while that of the 
United States of America is 10,000 and 
of the European countries between 2000 
and 3000. India’s per capita consump- 
tion of power is the lowest. What have 
we achieved during these two and half 
decades for the production of more elec- 
tric power in the country? 

I have no hesitation in saying that 
on account of defective planning for the 
production of power there is this crisis 
of shortage in the country. In the Uttar 
Pradesh there is acute shortage of 
power. In West Bengal, many indus- 
trial units have shut down their produc- 
tion . for want of power. In many other 
States the position is no different. In 
answer to Starred Question No. 122 
raised on 8-8-72, the hon. Minister of 
Irrigation and PcWer has listed the main 


*The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 



Pmt*r cmU 


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reasons for the power shortage in the 
country in recent times. I will not go 
ifeto all the reasons, but 1 will draw 
the attention of the House only to two 
reasons. Non-arrival of coal in time 
to the thermal power stations resulted in 
reduced output from the thermal power 
stations. In this connection, 1 would 
refer to the repeated request of the 
Tamil Nadu Government for. the start- 
ing of the second-cut mine in the Nei- 
veli Project which will be able to sup- 
ply lignite to all the neighbouring sou- 
thern States. The hon. Minister of Ta- 
mil Nadu Government has repeatedly 
requested the Central Government to 
sanction this scheme. I would say cate- 
gorically that the Central Government 
are not doing the proper thing in dilly- 
dallying the issue. How can we, in the 
face of this, accept the argument of 
Df. Rao that non-arrival of coal in time 
to the thermal power stations resulted 
in reduced output? The other reason 
advanced by him is non-availability of 
essential materials such as steel, cement 
etc. to the required extent, which has 
resulted in the delay of completing the 
civil works of power projects. Only 
this morning this House gave its ap- 
proval for taking over the private steel 
plant, IISCO. It is not beyond the 
competence of the Central Government 
to make available the required steel and 
cement for completing the power pro- 
jects. Immediately the question of short- 
age of wagons will be raised, as if the 
Railway Ministry is under the charge 
of Tamil Nadu Government, located far 
a way from the Ministry of Power and 
Irrigation. The Central Government 
cannot take shelter under this silly ex- 
cuse. The hon. Minister should have 
proper coordination with the Railway 
Ministry and get adequate number of 
wagons in the interest of executing the 
important power projects. He cannot 
just wave his hands here and there and 
say : I have written to this Ministry and 
that Ministry; what can I do if the 
Planning Commission or the Finance 
Ministry does not sanction the required 
money;. I have conveyed to the Rail- 
way Ministry about the non-availability 
of wagons etc. etc. He should realise 
that electric power is the basic require- 
ment for the economic development of 
the country. He should convince his 
colleagues in the Governments and try 
to do what is expected of him. It is 
time that he bids goodbye to his cur- 
sory and evasive way of doing things. 

Though it is not connected with the 
Ministry of Irrigation and Power, Mr. 


Chairman, I wooM Bite to refer to Kal- 
pakkam Atomic Power Plant, which is 
in my constituency. Everybody who 
spoke before me referred to the neces- 
sity of producing atomic power in the 
country. That is why I want to refer 
to Kalpakkam Atomic Power Plant. 
Kalpakkam is a part of my constitu- 
ency. It was stated that the Plant would 
be commissioned in 1973, then in 1972 ; 
now it is said that it would be commis- 
sioned in 1974, But today morning it 
was said that the Plan would be com- 
missioned only in 1976. I am a Mem- 
ber of the Consultative Committee of 
the Department of Atomic Energy and 
I have given more than enough proof 
of the way in which the project is be- 
ing implemented. I know personally 
how it is functioning. The project au- 
thorities there are playing ducks and 
drakes with public funds. An American 
trailer was bought at a cost of Rs. 18 
lakhs or so. It is lying idle there for 
the past 2i years. They are not able 
to change one burst tyre in the trailer. 
The project authorities are more inter- 
ested in different kinds of pastimes than 
in implementing the project. Here, I 
would like to inform Mr. Venkatasub- 
baiah that neither the Atomic Plant at 
Kalpakkam Plant has started producing 
power nor the second-cut mines at Nei- 
veli has been sanctioned by the Central 
Government, since he made the allega- 
tion in his speech that the State of 
Tamil Nadu is not supplying to Andhra 
electric power from Neiveli and from 
Kalpakkam Atomic Plant, The requir- 
ed equipment and machinery have not 
been made available to the Kalpakkam 
Plant. In the case of other atomic 
plants, there is foreign collaboration and 
things seem to be moving fast. But, 
here in Kalpakkam, the Government of 
India decided to utilise the indigenous 
talent. I am sorry to state that toe in- 
digenous talent has not come upto the 
expectations. Many valuable things are 
lying uncared for and I doubt very 
much •whether the Plant will be com- 
missioned at least in 1976. If a Parlia- 
mentary Committee is constituted to go 
into the question of delay in the execu- 
tion of Kalpakkam Atomic Power 
Plant, many sordid things that go on 
there will come to light. The net result 
is that the project is getting delayed un- 
necessarily. 

An assurance has been given on the 
floor of this House that the Kalpakkam 
Atomic Plant would be commissioned 
in 1976. If this assurance is not ful- 
filled then, Dr. Rao and his colleagues 



263 Power crisis 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


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[Shri C. Chittibabu] 

will be put to trial in the court of the 
people. Similarly, the Central Govern- 
ment should accord their sanction for 
the second-cut mine in Neiveli. So far 
as the question of Tamil Nadu achiev- 
ing self-sufficiency in die production of 
power is concerned, the hon. Minister 
of Irrigation and power should take 
greater interest in the execution of these 
two schemes. 

With these words, I conclude. 

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SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, within the limited time 
allotted to me, I am sure, it will not 
be possible for me to throw sufficient 
light on the power crisis, particularly in 
the State of Gujarat. 

Sir, the power supply position has not 
been satisfactory in some of the States 
in our country since 1971. In Gujarat, 
for instance, a serious power crisis deve- 
loped towards the end of December, 

1971. 

At that time there were the Assembly 
elections which were held in March, 

1972. Therefore,* this particular power 
crisis was overcome, by an arrange- 
ment entered into by the Government, 
for supplying the power, as a distress 
measure, from the neighbouring States 
^of Maharashtra and Mysore. But im- 
mediately after the Assembly elections 
were over, this arrangement was over. 
Since then, since the 10th March, 1971, 
I think, Gujarat has been suffering from 
-acute power shortage. Now, the ques- 
tion is hoW to overcome this difficulty 
of power shortage in the State of Gu- 
jarat There are two ways open. One 


way is a short-term measure, gad, the 
other is a long-term measure. As a 
short-term measure, the atomic power 
station at Tarapur should be made to 
operate uninterruptedly from 1st Sept- 
ember, as stated by the Minister of State 
in the Ministry of Home Affairs, Sbri 
K. C. Pant, in reply to my question on 
the 9th August, 1972. As a loug-tenn 
measure, a dam of 530 feet height at 
Navgaon should be constructed with- 
out further delay. Secondly, the pro- 
posed atomic power station in the Sau ■ 
rashtra region should be set up in Sau- 
rashtra as early as possible. If this is 
done, then the power shortage in the 
State of Gujarat will be overcome. 

Hydro-power is the cheapest of all 
powers, namely the thermal power, the 
atomic power, and hydel power. There 
is no hydro-power in the State of Guja- 
rat. If the Narmada river project is 
implemented and if a dam of 530 feet 
height is constructed at Navgaon, then 
2.5 million k.w. of hydro-power will be 
generated. 

During the election campaign, the 
hon. Prime Minister, Shrimati Indira 
Gandhi promised to the voters in this 
respect and said that if they wanted to 
solve the Narmada river dispute, then 
they should vote for her party to come 
into power. The voters in Gujarat have 
discharged their duty. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Why is he bring- 
ing in politics into this matter? 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA: I am not 
bringing in politics, but I am only stat- 
ing a fact. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : It is all over 
now. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Now, it is 
for the Prime Minister to implement 
that promise. I am not bringing in any 
politics, but I am only stating the facts. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Mem- 
ber has only four minutes’ time, and 
he should try to wind up his speech. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : At page 63 of 
the report of the Ministry of Irrigation 
and Power for 1971-72, it is said : 

“The Fourth Plan envisages aug- 
mentation of the power-generating ca- 
pacity in the country to 23 million 

k.w. by 1973-74." 

It further states that: 



277 Potntr crtit* 


SRAVANA 31* tm OSAKA) in the comity Cite.) 278 


is a likelihood of the tm- 
short by about 2.7 million 


This shortage or shortfall in achieving 
the target can be made up if the Nar- 
mada river project is implemented. So, 
it is in the national interest to decide 
the Narmada river dispute as early as 
possible. I would like to know from 
the hon. Minister when the Prime Minis- 
ter is going to decide this issue. The 
four Chief Ministers of Gujarat, Rajas- 
than, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra 
have decided to abide by the decision 
given by the Prime Minister regarding 
this matter. 



Nudear power is used to produce fer- 
tilisers and to pump water for lift 
irrigation in the case of the Indo- 
Gangetic Plain study and for desalt- 
ing sea water in the case of the 
Kutch-Saurashtra region study.” 

Therefore, there is enough justifica- 
tion for locating another atomic power 
station of 1000 MW in the Saurashtra 
region. I would like to know from the 
Minister whether the Ministry is going 
to double the capacity of the Tarapur 
atomic power station from 400 to 800 
MW in order to suppress and deny the 
demand for another atomic power sta- 
tion in the Saurashtra region. 


I would now say a word about the 
proposed atomic power station in the 
Saurashtra region. On 9th August, 
1972, I had put a question whether the 
news report where the Prime Minister 
Shrimati Indira Gandhi appeared to 
have said that the atomic power station 
should be located outside Gujarat was 
correct. 

The Prime Minister was pleased to 
say that it was not a question of the 
personal whim of any Minister. There- 
fore, it means that if there is sufficient 
justification for establishing an atomic 
power station in the Saurashtra region, 
it would be set up. There is a strong 
case for such a power station in the Sau- 
rashtra region. I am quoting from p. 3 of 
Nuclear Power in India: 

“The nuclear stations can all be 
set up at distances away from coal 
fields where they would be competi- 
tive with conventional thermal sta- 
tions.” 

Regarding distance also, the report says, 
on p. 1: 

“In such regions nuclear power 
plants with CANDU reactors of 200 
MW size are competitive with fos- 
sil fuel stations at places removed 
from coal fields by more than 800 
km.” 

Saurashtra is more than 2000 km. from 
coal fields. Secondly, Saurashtra has 
no water resources. Thirdly, it is again 
mentioned in the same pamphlet, p. 8 : 

“Detailed economic analysis of 
such complexes have been carried out 
for two locations in India — the Indo- 
Gangetic Plain in UP and the Kutch- 
Saurashtra region in western India. 


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MR. CHAIRMAN : How much time 
would the Minister take for his reply ? 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO): 
About 30 to 40 minutes. 

SHW RAJ BAHADUR : Since many 
h on. Members want to participate m 
fbfc debate, I suggest tftat the time may 
be extended by one hour. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : It is difficult be* 
cause it becomes very inconvenient for 
the staff. If the members so desire, 1 
can extend it by half an hour. But I 
would request hon. Members not to 
take more than five minutes. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I 
suggest that the debate may be continu- 
ed tomorrow ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : We will see. 

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira) : Mr. 
Chairman, from an annual growth rate 
of about 2 million kw per annum, we 
have dropped to one million kw in the 
year 1970-71. For the year ended 
March 1972 we have hardly added .5 
million kw. The main difficulty has 
been in respect of generating .sets. We 
all know that there have been failures 
in deliveries. We have also seen that 
as soon as Heavy Electricals, Bhopal, 
started functioning, even before a single 
turbo set of theirs was pommiasionetf, 
we put an embargo on imports in spite 
of all the resistance. Whatever little 
rogress we have made during the last 
ve years has beeti essentially on account 
of those imported generating sets which 
were ordered earlier, that is, after the 
Third Plan. 

In the direction of transmission, we 
have stagnated at 220 kv for the last 
20 years. The world has moved from 
220 kv in 1952 to 1,150 kv in 1972. 
But we continue to incur losses in trans- 
mission and distribution because we 
have not changed our existing trans- 
mission and distribution lines. 

We are also deficient in our grids ; 
link lines and regional links. Here we 
find that because of incompletion of the 
link lines we have to keep idle capacity 
at each generating group to meet the 
failures and the maintenance problems. 
The result has been that whereas we 
could have easily pooled up the total 
generating capacity, and the stand-by 
capacity could have been reduced to 
the bare minimum ; we find today that 
even from the present small installed 
capacity of about 16 million to 16.5 
million kw we are blocking as much 
as 30 to 35 per cent in stand-by capa- 
city. The effective capacity which we 
are using is, therefore, substantially 
lower in spite of our making heavy in- 
vestments in the plants which continue 
to rem&iii as standby. 

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ficulties or this particular problem, there 



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SRAVANA 


tfiftb beta power en, power shedding 
and so on. We in Gufar&t suffer due 
(6 these and know how much there 
have been industrial and G.N.P. losses. 
The country has suffered, particularly 
tad badly in the State of Gujarat, Even 
today, while I am speaking, there is a 
power cut in the State of Gujarat The 
power is switched off and connections 
are not given. The employment can- 
not go up ; the development or growth 
Of income cannot be there. At the 
setae time, the country which had pro- 
mised or set for itself the target in terms 
of employment and growth also suffers 
for want of acute scarcity of power. 

Finally, I would request the Minister 
in-charge of Power that he should be 
bold enough and he should insist on 
generating sets being imported at least 
For a period of 2 to 3 years and main- 
tain 2 to 2.5 MKW annual growth. If 
the Ministry of Industry is so adamant 
that the import should be banned to 
provide orders to HEL/BHEL, then, he, 
the I. and P. Minister, should extend a 
helping hand and say that about 20 to 
30 Nos. of 100 MW to 250 MW ratings 
standard generating sets may be ordered 
and got manufactured for stocks, that 
is for sales on ready delivery basis to 
projects. The development of the coun- 
try by Public Sector Units cannot be 
held back. The investments made in 
other sectors should not be allowed to 
gp to near waste or idled just because 
there is delay or no delivery of gene- 
rating sets. 

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SHRI P. GANGADEB (Angul): I 
rise to say with concern that never in 
recent times was there a period when 
the country had to face a power crisis 
of such a magnitude as the one which 
it is facing now. It does not appear ,to 
be either localised or of a temporary 
nature. When we look into it carefully, 
we find that, against the Fourth Plan 
target of 23 million kilowatts, the Plan 
is now going to end up with — if my 
figures are correct — a little more than 
20 million kilowatts. It is short of three 
million kilowatts or. so. Even as it is, 
the power shortage is of the order of 
10 to 15 million units a day; in other 
words, one million kilowatts. As you 
are aware, the demand for power was 
estimated to grow by 12 per cent where- 
as it has actually grown by 30 per cent. 

It is so high. Therefore, obviously, the 
demand is more than the supply. This 
is the grim picture before us all. 

Now let me come to the actual posi- 
tion in the field of operation of the ad- 
ministrative structure. I have some- 
thing to say there. We see that, with 
little or no reserve capacity at present 
and expansion of generating capacity 
falling short of the target, we have this 
power hunger all the time. It is ail 
hanging on our heads. Surely, it must 
be solved and the people’s dream must 
be fulfilled. 

Then, again, the industrial sector 
which consumes 70% power are work- 
ing to-day at less than the actual capa- 
city. I wonder what will happen when 
the industrial growth is accelerated at a 
higher rate in the coming years as per 
our future plans. Let us not forget 
that the erratic monsoon is still there 
which adds to the power needs for irri- 
gation. Therefore, I suggest the follow- 
ing measures for your kind considera- 
tion. 

If I may say so, the power generation 
programmes have suffered on account 
of many factors which we all know. 
Let there be a better co-ordination bet- 
ween various authorities. Let theze be 



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national homogeneity between States 
and States for implementation of inter- 
state transmission linkage programmes. 
Also let there be better transmission ca- 
pacities at such high levels than what 
u there at present. 

You will bear with me that if there 
is more power, it will never go waste. 
Power creates its own demand. It sti- 
mulates development all round. There- 
fore, we cannot take these problems 
lightly. We have to take bold steps and 
increase the power supply based on all 
possible sources of energy including 
coal, diesel, hydro and nuclear energies. 

One thing I would like to say within 
the little time at my disposal — I feel it 
is important. We should have a cen- 
tral agency to plan the location of large 
power plants and implement them at the 
same time. This Central Agency will 
also be able to establish inter-connecting 
links among the States and improve the 
whole electricity system of our country. 

I must also stress here before I end, 
that production of indigenous equip- 
ments for power should be increased. 

With these words I do hope the Gov- 
ernment will give serious consideration 
to what I have said and take necessary 
measures. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri R. L. 
Bhatia — not here. 

Shri Arjun Sethi — not here. 

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SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domana- 
ganj) : Mr. Chairman, 1 want to take an 
overall view of this very complicated and 
fundamental question of the scarcity of 
power. For the time being, I am forget- 
ting the State urgencies and the pres- 
sures that are coming from hon. Mem- 
bers to build up power complexes in 
their own States. Although 1 can put 
forward before the House for conside- 
ration of the Minister some basic sche- 
mes of a long-term nature, 1 do not think 
that also is going to solve the problem 
of tomorrow.- Day after tomorrow can 
take care of itself if the Planning Com- 
mission is energised, if the Ministers are 
also energised and if something is done 
to put the whole thing on the right 
track. I am not concerned about day 
after tomorrow, the long term view, but 
what should be done for tomorrow. 

SHRI B. V. NAYAK (Kanara) : We 
should think about long-term planning 
also. But now we are discussing the 
power crisis in the country and long- 
term planning of electricity is not rele- 
vant here. Power crisis is gripping parts 


of the country wLi$ i* a sepoys mtu*. 
Otherwise* for the House, it will be hkp 
Herp fiddling while Rome is burning. 
There is the Sharavatbi project. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: He just gets up 
without my permission. I cannot allow 
it.* 

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA: I am, 
therefore, not emphasising what should 
be done day after tomorrow. I personal- 
ly feel that if the Ministry of Power 
takes care of the vital problems of main- 
tenance, repairs, restoring wire connec- 
tions, repairing generating sets lying idle 
and of connecting the grids in their own 
small small way, and also by looking 
after intensively as to why these small 
failures are occurring, we can increase 
the supply by at least 10 per cent. If 
it is not possible, then there is some- 
thing wrong with the working both of 
the State Governments and the Central 
Government. 

From the point of view of stepping 
up production in the industrial and agri- 
cultural sectors, it is very necessary that 
all the major schemes already running 
should be given attention from the point 
of View of maintenance of spares, re- 
pairs, supply of small parts etc. which 
will go a long way to increase the 
generation of power and also ginger 
up . . . 

SHRI LALJI BHAI: On a point of 
order. There is no quorum. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is being 
rung — Now there is quorum. The hon. 
member may proceed. 

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : So far as 
taking up larger schemes are concerned, 
obviously first priority should go to ther- 
mal power stations in the coal belt. We 
have coal; we are short of diesel oil. 
Therefore, we should not think too much 
of generating sets which have to be run 
on diesel oil. Coal is abundant in the 
country, poor quality of coal. We can 
generate powefr in a massive way from 
the coal belt. Nobody is taking care of 
that. I do not know what has happened 
(Interruptions) , I am not talking of 
Madhya Pradesh, but from the all-India 
angle. There are coal fields. Why are 
they not being used for generating 
power? Power Ministry should take up 
with the Planning Commission, this ques- 
tion for a massive programme. The 
Planning Commission should be energis- 
ed. If adequate steps are taken, at least 
within 40 months from now we can start 
generating power from coal in new areas. 



299 1 Fewer crisis to 


AUGUST 24, 1972 


the leountry (ZHf.) 296 


[Shri K. D. MalaviyaJ * 

We have got electric wires, cement poles 
and coal in the country. We can, there- 
fore, have thermal power stations also. 
Nothing need be imported from outside. 
For generating power, we can use coal 
on a cheap basis. Therefore, I want 
maintenance improved administration, 
and the training of leaves for repairs 
so that we cab increase the supply by 
10 per cent; thereby our production, 
in agriculture and industry, can be in- 
creased. 

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AU008V122, 1992 


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SHRf K. RAMAKRISaNA REDDY 
(Nalgonda): Andhra Pradesh is known 
as anna data; it produces foodgrains in 
abuad'&ace. But this year the whole 
State is under famine conditions. Power 
cut is there. Even Kothagndam project 
has been cut because of a silly matter, 
that loans had been given by the Cen- 
tral Government and interest had not 
been paid. Because of that it had been 
shut down. The allegations of Dr. 
Ranen Sen about Dr. Rao are not 
correct. Dr. K. L. Rao is dedicated to 
the work of irrigation and power and 
he is doing his utmost. Inspite of 
natural calamities, there is an electric 
power cut in Andhra Pradesh. It should 
be given priority. Nagarjunasagar and 
Srisailam projects are there. Dispute with 
Mysore and Maharashtra is there before 
the tribunal; it has not been decided. 


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MR. CHAIRMAN : The Bell is being 
rung — now there is quorum. 


SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA RED- 
DY : l would request Dr. K. L. Rao to 
consider all the problems connected with 
generation of power in Andhra Pradesh, 
including those which are pending before 
tribunals; they should be expedited at a 
time when we are facing a, shortage of 
power. 


SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Dr. K. 
L. Rao, the eminent engineer that he 
is, knows very well that the area I come 
from in the Western Ghat is known as 
the power house of the whole country. 
I hope he will share my anguish that 
Hus area has never been mentioned in 
this debate. I had no intention of inter- 
vening during the speech of Shri K. D. 
Malaviya except for the fact that this 


h % matter of crisis. I would lih* tie 
know from our hon. Minister, whp.is 
not only an eminent engineer but m 
statesman brought up in die traditions 
of Dr. Visweswarayya one thing. There 
is a considerable amount of Controversy 
in the press in regard taihe Sharawathy 
project. The ex-Chief Minister of My- 
sore has asked for a judicial inquiry. 
Fortunately or unfortunately, Dr. K. t 
Rao. as Minister in charge of Irrigation 
in the years 1962-63 had occasion to 
visit Sharawathy project. In view of the 
controversy, is there or is there not a 
prima facie case for an open judicial in- 
quiry to disabuse the mind of the public 
< n this question. The other day during 
the question hour the Minister stated that 
a person has been sent not to study but 
only inspect and give a report. In view 
of the paramount importance of Shara- 
wathy project, will he agree to an open 
inquiry? 


Secondly, in view of the performance 
of Sharawathy project, on which a dear 
verdict will have to be awaited after fur- 
ther investigation, I want to know whe- 
ther the execution of the Kali hydro- 
electric project, which is going to pro- 
duce electricity at the cheapest rate, is 
going to be taken over by the Centre 
for execution. 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dimond 
Harbour) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, there i* 
an unprecedented power crisis. The 
main causes are that there is a gap bet- 
ween the projected demand and gene* 
ration which Dr. K. L. Rao has admitted 
and also there is non-utilisation of built- 
in capacity. I gather in some places it 
does not exceed even 50 per cent of the 
built-in capacity. 



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Anothtrtbigg i* mr abject depcqd- 
onthe United States of America 
lor power equipment and technical 
know-ho^ and mechanical breakdown 
whenever it comes. Our power plants 
have to wait for die importation of 
spare-parts from America. The refusal 
on the pari of the United States techni- 
cians, to part with their technical know- 
how is a great hurdle. It is a total 
failure on the part of our public sector 
Heavy Electricals undertakings for 
achieving self-sufficiency in the produc- 
tion of equipment 

It is also a total failure to improve 
capacity utilisation of existing plants 
also. The Calcutta Electric Supply Cor- 
poration, as the Minister mentioned, is 
a British Company and the Minister has 
told me time and again that generation 
is the real problem, not distribution. But 
for Calcutta, it is an exception. The 
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation is 
allowed to reap the harvest and take 
billions of rupees out of this country by 
simply trading on power. That Corpo- 
ration has been given 10 years extension 
of lease for no reason whatsoever. Mr. 
A. K. Ghosh has been sent from the 
Centre to look after it. Is the Minister 
not aware of the fact that there are long 
articles in the press against Mr. A. K. 
Ghosh showing favour to the Calcutta 
Electric Supply Corporation? Therefore, 
you are adding fuel to fire. 

There has been no proper assessment 
of power demand. Dr. K. L. Rao wrote 
a letter to me in which he says : 

“ . . . . that the load sheddings that 
had occurred recently had to be resort- 
ed to on account of curtailment in 
supply of bulk power to Calcutta Elec- 
tric Supply Corporation by the West 
Bengal State Electricity Board and to 
some extent by the Damodar Valley 
Corporation as a result of forced out- 
ages of generating units in these power 
systems.” 

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has been handled in a very slip-shod 
manner and it is causing a lot of hard- 
ship. It will ruin our trade, commerce 
and employment potential. The whole 
thing should be handled in a very differ- 
ent manner, on a war footing. Other- 
wise, our future will be very very gloo- 
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THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : I am 
most thankful to the hon. members, Mr. 
Samar Guha and others— nearly 26 hon. 
members— who had participated in this 
discussion. It has been very useful. It 
has come just at a time when we are 
entering the Fifth Plan and, therefore, 
this debate ( has been extremely valuable. 

I will just answer the most important 
points that the hon. members have rais- 
ed. The first important point that the 
hon. members have raised is that there 
is no planning and that the shortage is 
coming unnoticed at a certain time. What 
I want to submit is that it is not correct. 
Power planning has been extremely well 
planned for the hist ten years. We have 
been taking extreme care about plan- 
ning. For example, we have a large 
number of printed books which the hop. 
members who are interested may see. 



JW F&mr crisis in 


AUGUST 22, 1972 


rAe Country (DO.) 994 


[Dr. K. L, RaoJ v 

We work out the detiib, what is the 
requirement, what capacity should be 
built — hydro, thermal and nuclear— in 
each State, in each region. (Interrup- 
tions) The planning is based upon what 
we call ‘annual load Surveys*. Every 
year we conduct load surveys. Load 
survey is conducted every year by mem- 
bers representing not only the technical 
people but also industry and then we 
calculate that so much load is required 
and then we base our forecasting on 
what will be required at the end of five 
years. 

Accordingly, when the Fourth Plan 
was under consideration, I worked out 
that it would be 26 million kilowatts. 
The Ministry of Irrigation and Power 
pressed for 26 million kilowatts. But, 
unfortunately, because of our financial 
resources and other considerations, Gov- 
ernment could not adopt that thing and 
only planned for 23 million kilowatts. 
It is that difference really that has come 
up as a trouble now. At the moment we 
have a shortage of a million kilowatts in 
the country; I must expect that amount, 
but actually it is less. At the moment 
there is shortage in Punjab, Haryana and 
Uttar Pradesh in the northern region, 
Gujarat in the western region, Calcutta 
in the eastern region and Andhra Pra- 
desh in the southern region. These are 
the only places where there is shortage; 
there is no shortage anywhere else in 
the country. 

The shortage in Haryana and Punjab 
is due to the fact that Bhakra Dam to- 
day is completely down. It is one of 
the most regrettable things I am expec- 
ting every day that a depression would 
be formed in the Bay of Bengal and 
it will travel across Sutlej. But there 
has not been any so far. The last that 
we had went to Rajasthan and there was 
a heavy rainfall there. It did not travel 
on to the Sutlej valley. Sutlej is flowing 
very low; the storage level is 81 feet 
lower than what it was last year. Tn 
fact, I am terribly afraid whether the 
amount of water that is there will be 
sufficient even for agricultural purposes. 
I have contacted the Director-General of 
the Meteorological Department and have 
had a discussion with him. He says that 
we must expect the next depression only 
after ten days and then that depression 
takes ten days to go to Sutlej. So, for 
the next fortnight, there is no chance. 
In view of that, as a responsible man, I 
had to cut down the outflow of water 
and, therefore, there is the unfortunate 


reduction of power. Therefore, the 
shortage is not due to any kind of npn- 
planning but it is due to the fact that 
there has been a very unfavourable fea- 
ture this year in that area. I quite appre- 
ciate that our planning must be perfect 
Another unfortunate thing in the nor- 
thern region is that Punjab and Haryana 
are completely dependent on the Bhakra 
reservoir; we have not constructed ano- 
ther source of power there; another one 
we have just now taken up. If you like, 
you may call that a faulty planning. 
That is why I quite appreciate the plea 
of the hon. Members from Punjab say- 
ing, ‘You take away the Nangal fertiliser 
factory.* Another mistake that we com- 
mitted there was that we have construct- 
ed there a fertiliser factory based on the 
electrolytic process. When the factory 
was planned on such a process, they 
thought that there would be a huge 
amount of power and at that time they 
wanted a load for the power. That is 
why they set up the Nangal factory. We 
have cut down the power to 98 M. W. 
We cannot go below 98 M. W. Once 
you do that you have to close down the 
whole fertiliser factory, and the lining 
and all that has got to be renewed. 
Therefore, it has become impossible to 
go below 98 M.W. I can appreciate the 
hon. Members from Punjab everytime 
coming to me and saying. Take away the 
Nangal factory’. Tt is true that if we 
take away the Nangal factory, there is 
no deficit in Punjab and Haryana. But 
we cannot do that. The unfortunate 
fact is that the supply cannot go below 
98. It has to be kept between 165 M.W. 
and 98 M W. 98 M.W. is the absolute 
minimum and, therefore, we have to al- 
low for that. 

What I want to submit here is that 
in Haryana and Punjab the main diffi- 
culty is that we have got to depend only 
on Bhakra reservoir and that has not 
been filling up. Added to that, there is 
another difficulty. That is the diversion 
of Beas. If Beas is diverted into Bhakra, 
Bhakra could have got filled up easily. 
There again, we are delayed by one year. 
Tf the Beas construction is completed by 
1973 . . . 

SHRT DARBARA SINGH: What is 
the difficulty before the Government? 

SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR ; What is 
the difficulty? We are not responsible. 

DR. K. L. RAO : The only solution is 
that we should complete that project as 
quickly as possible. One of the difficul- 



SRAVANA 31, 1894 (SAKA) the CoMry(Ms.) 306 


30| Power crisis in 

ties was the oustees* settlement. Fortu- 
nately, now, that has been solved — bon. 
Members from Himachal Pradesh are 
not present— that is no longer an issue 
and I am expecting that by June 1973 
the project will be completed and there 
will be diversion of water into Sutlej 
soon. So, I do not expect any further 
trouble. 

Immediately, what we are going to do 
is that I am depending on Delhi. Delhi 
has got some surplus power. That sur- 

g us power we are trying to pass on to 
aryana. We are also trying to get 
power from Satpura. Regarding that, 
there are so many aspects. For exam- 
ple, hon. Members from Madhya Pradesh 
have been asking locating the power 
station at the pit-head. This station is 
right at the pit-head, but it is suffering 
from want of coal. The most interest- 
ing thing is that we have not been able 
to operate the machines because there 
is no coal . . . 

AN HON. MEMBER : Lack of co- 
ordination. 

SHRl DARBARA SINGH: Give us 
power from Satpura. 

DR. K. L. RAO : I am giving you the 
facts. If coal is available more machines 
can be run. Even if one machine is 
run, it will meet the shortage of Punjab. 
Fortunately, there is the Chambal system 
where we can feed the power. Gandhi- 
sagar has got plenty of water. Therefore, 
we can feed that power which can be 
transferred to Punjab. I took up this 
matter with the Railway Minister per- 
sonally and also with the Railway Board 
Chairman and others and only this even- 
ing at about 2.30 p.m., I just got a 
letter that they will give the extra wa- 
gons and coal provided unloading is 
done day and night . . . ( Interruptions ) 
So, 1 am happy. Of course, there will 
be so many snags. 

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : This was 
not a very difficult thing to conceive. 

DR. K. L. RAO : For one year it has 
gone on. 

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA : I am only 
cynically making this remark. 

DR. K. L. RAO: Then, there are so 
many other difficulties. But the fact is 
that from Satpura for the last one year 
we were trying to get power, but we 
have not succeeded so far . . . (Inter- 
ruptions). 


SHRI DARBARA SINGH: How long 
will it take to get power from Satpura? 

DR. K. L. RAO : In the next 15 days 
we must be able to get it. 

Then, there is the other question. In 
Uttar Pradesh there is the Rihand dam 
which is giving some amount of power. 
I do not say much . . . 

DR. KAILAS : You agree that it is all 
due to lack of co-ordination. 

DR. K. L. RAO : The question finally 
boils down to financial stringency. . . 
Everybody thought that it would bo 
available from the pit head; but tho 
NCDC people who were working there 
said that they did not have sufficient 
amount of money to develop another 
opening. Like that it goes on; it is a 
chain. . . (An hon. Member: Vicious 
circle.) But finally when it comes to 
power, there is power shortage; that is 
the whole trouble. 

In Uttar Pradesh, the main trouble is 
inadequacy of power in such a big State 
like that and when we have come to 
know this during the last 3 or 4 years 
we have been trying to raise it up; we 
arc getting some machines also import- 
ed to quicken up the pace of construc- 
tion for that State. That is the only 
way we can try to solve this problem 
and we arc trying to do our best in that 
direction. 

SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA: Is not the 
installed capacity in U.P. for generative 
power more than the actual power that 
is being generated? 

DR. K. L. RAO: U.P. is not bad. In 
Bihar there is trouble. In U.P. there is 
heavy demand of power. About 25 mil- 
lion k w. hrs are being generated daily 
now in U.P. but it is not sufficient and 
we require 35 million k.w. hrs. a day. 
The demand is going up. There is a 
terrific increase in demand. 

So far as Andhra Pradesh is concern- 
ed just like U.T. it is highly short of 
power. Somehow the Andhra Govern- 
ment — I would say this without offence 
to anybody — have not given sufficient 
importance to the power generation. 
They have got large amount of coal in 
their own State; they have got other 
resources; yet, they have not developed 
the power resources, though it is a defi- 
cit State in power. They get something 
from Maharashtra, something from My- 
sore and something from Orissa. Like 
that it goes on. But, today, there is a 
25% cut in power in that State. 



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[Dr. K. L. Jtaa] j, 

Calcutta is another tpot where you 
find the failure of powqr. It is a very 
strange thing. In the gastern zone, in 
Bihar, Orissa and West Bengal, the total 
amount of installed capacity is 3.5 mil- 
lion kilowatts of power. That means, 
they must not only be able to meet their 
own demands but they must be surplus, 
but, in spite of that, we are finding, 
there is such a large amount of trouble, 
and especially Calcutta is the main tar- 
get. There are other places like Jam- 
shedpur and so on and there it is a 
question of power failure, breakdowns 
and so on. That is an area which has 
got to be looked into. The main trouble 
there is this. They are using coal in 
what is called two stage washery. That 
is to say, the coal that comes out of 
that contains very abrasive material, 
stone and so on and this gets into the 
machines and the machines get out of 
order and had to be repaired, very often. 
There is a larger amount of breakdown 
than what it should be for a proper type 
of washery. 

So far as Durgapur project is concern- 
ed, they have to obtain some spares for 
the boiler. Generally these things must 
be shipped; we get them by ships; but 
since the situation is very bad, we have 
released foreign exchange to get these 
things by air-lifting. We are trying our 
best. It is true that we are not so much 
uptodate in the maintenance of these 
power stations. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Coal is not 
available and it is NCDC which is not 
releasing the money, they are not doing 
anything. There is some reflection on 
Madhya Pradesh, but it is the NCDC 
which is your organisation, which is do- 
ing this. They are not releasing the 
money. The performance is very poor 
That is why we are not able to produce 
the coal. 

DR. K. L. RAO: As I was saying, 
these machines were out of order and 
we are trying to give the foreign ex- 
change also to get them by air. 

But wc must take care of mainte- 
nance; there is maintenance trouble to- 
day, because the maintenance staff are 
not so well equipped as to be able to 
run them efficiently. That is a fact that 
has got to be acknowledged. That is 
why we have got two institutes, one at 
Durgapur and the other at Neyveli, 
where we are training 100 boys alto- 
gether. But that is not sufficient. We 
want more trained people, and we are 


thinking of expanding these institute 
further and also establishing sipnlar in- 
stitutes at other places! 

The only way in which we can try to 
meet the situation is to set up and sanc- 
tion some more projects apd try to ex- 
pedite the things as quickly as possible. 
Even then it takes about four to fiVe 
years. Five years is the minimum pe- 
riod. If we could do it in four and 
a half years, then that is good; other- 
wise, normally it takes about five years 
for a power station to be commission- 
ed. 

In this connection, I am very glad 
that today we have received sanction 
from the Planning Commission for ad- 
ding one more unit to the Bandel 
power station, and the Chandrapura 
power station; as regards the other 
power station, which is common bet- 
ween North Bengal and North Bihar, 
namely the Dalkora . . . 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about 
the atomic power station in Saurashtra ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN: He is dealing 
now with Bihar and Bengal, and he will 
come to every State presently. 

DR. K. L. RAO : I have got a chit 
sent to me that I should take only tea 
more minutes. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Let him 
take as much time as he wants and 
explain the position fully. We are ready 
to sit as long as he wants. 

DR. K. L. RAO. I am glad to 
inform the House that the Dalkora 
power station is being taken up as a 
Central generation project so that neither 
Bengal nor Bihar need pay for it. That 
means that it will be paid for by the 
Central Government and it will be con- 
structed by the Centre and the power 
will be shared between these two States. 

We are fully aware of the fact that 
North Bihar and North Bengal are very 
backward in power, and probably their 
consumption is the lowest in the whole 
country. I am also glad that Muzaffar- 
pur power station has also been sanc- 
tioned today. Similarly, as I have said 
already, the Bondel power station ex- 
pansion has also been sanctioned. 

My 'hon. friend Dr. Ranen Sen was 
exceptionally angry with me today. Nor- 
mally he is not, but today he was very 
angry. I would like to submit that we 
are trying to sanction as many projects 
as possible. So, the Bandel power sta- 



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_jSUmhas been 'sandlioiiftd. 

Way m, which. wfc have got lo 

the situation is this. It Is no use 
I that We &*H tty to sanction 

and more projects and that will 

take care of whole thing; the point 
is that we art facing a situation now, 
and facing it as it is, we have to deal 
with it in such a way that we are able 
ta overcome the difficulty. 



HON. MEMBER : the hon. 
Minister of Power is speaking, and 
there is power failure in the House also. 


DR. K. L. RAO : The trouble is that 


in Delhi, what happens is this... • 


But (he shortages ihlLP., Andhra Pra- 
desh etc. are ohe to the fact (hat they 
are chronically deficient in power: as 
regards Punjab and Haryana, the shor- 
tages are due to extremely low leVel of 
water subsisting in the Bhakra reservoir. 

Now what about the Fifth Plan? We 
are giving very careful consideration to 
it. We cannot set a figure which is too 
high. lAnothdr unfortunate factor is 
that the electrical development is very 
costly; it is a capital intensive activity. 
At the same time, if we have less 
amount of power, then also there wifi 
be trouble. 


SHR1 JYOHRMOY BOSU: Is be 
going to take over the Calcutta Electric 
Supply Corporation ? We want a simple 
adswer to 'this question. 


SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
In Andhra Pradesh, there are continu- 
ing schemes. Also there is power scar- 
city there. What is his reply? 


DR. K. L. RAO : Shri Jyotirmoy 
Bosu has been very kind to me. He is 
putting me a very difficult question. I 
want to deal with the points in a ratio- 
nal way and not go about in a dis- 
jointed manner. But to meet Shri Jyotir- 
moy Bosu's point, I would like to 
submit that when the Ministers of Irri- 
gation and Power met at Srinagar, they 
had set Up a committee under the dis- 
tinguished guidance of my hon. colleague 
Shri B. N. Kureel about these licensees, 
and they have suggested that all these 
licensees must be taken over and there 
is no place for them. We are taking 
notion in that regard. As regards the 
Calcutta Electric Supply Corporation, I 
am not yet sure as to what we shall do 
with it. But in any case, the licence is 
to run for a period of eight years only, 
and I think the licence expires in 1980. 
But if the Bengal Government . . . 

DR. KAILAS : In the meanwhile, 
they will steal away import material or 
equipment. 

DR. K. L. RAO: What I am sub- 
mitting is that it is all under considera- 
tion now, and probably during the next 
rtssion, non. Members will have some 
Bill Or something in that connection. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He 
should take it over Immediately. 

DR. K. L. RAO : As regards the 
portage -that we are having, I would 
Eke to submit that it is there at the 
present moment. But as soon as winter 
comes in, "generally them will fie no 
shortage, . because the people consume 
ttss In whiter than, hi summer, and, 
VhelVfbre, thert wdtdd be no shortage. 


DR. K. L. RAO : Shri VenkatasUb- 
biah has 'been very kind to me. He 
has supported me. What he wanted was 
money. I am not in charge of money. 
That is the whole trouble. 

As I said, for the next Han, we can 
neither overshoot the mark nor under- 
shoot it. What is exactly to be done? 
We have been adding at the rate Of 
one million KW a year. 

SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
He is not in charge of money, but at 
least he is in charge of distribution of 
power. When there are Central pro- 
jects from which power is available, 
for example, in Tamil Nadu in Naivelli 
and in Kalpakkam, what arrangements 
are going to be made to give due share 
to other States from Such projects'? 

DR. K. L. RAO : My hon. friend 
of the DMK says that there is no power 
in Tamil Nadu for supply to others and 
there is a shortage there. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : He has hot 
referred to the power crisis in Gujarat 
which is acute. 

DR. K. L. RAo : How can I deal 
with all points? In a limited time? 

The question regarding Naivelli and 
Kalpakam is a very relevant question. 
I did not want to get into a controversy 
and was trying to avoid it Since he 
has plit a frontal question, I must reply. 
In regard fo Naivelli, it is a commit- 
ment that has been made. It does sot 
belong to the Ministry of Irrigation and 
Tower, butto the Ministry - of Steel and 



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SHRI P. VENKAlTASUBBAIAH : 
So his responsibility is 0 > ne 7 

DR. K. L. RAO : That is the whole 
trouble. 

We made a number of enquiries and 
they told us that that power has been 
committed to Tamil Nadu and so noth- 
ing can be done about it 

With regard to Kalpakam, it is an 
atomic power station. Not only Andhra 
Pradesh, but the whole southern region 
including Kerala, Mysore, Tamil Nadu 
and Andhra must get power from it 
That is still under correspondence. 

SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : What about the Kothagudam 
project ? 

DR. K. L. RAO : As I said, in 
Andhra Pradesh, there is a chronic 
power shortage; the only way in which 
it can be met is by sanctioning a num- 
ber of more projects. W e are now at 
it, Kothagudam is practically sanction- 
ed. There is another one near Vijay- 
wada. We are thinking of putting up a 
coal pithead project at Ramgundam. 
These are all under consideration and 
will be taken up shortly. 

With regard to Gujarat, there would 
not have been shortage but for the 
fact that Tarapur has been off and on. 
Besides in the case of the Ukai Hydro 
power project which is complete, un- 
fortunately there has been a slippage 
in the matter of delivery of equipment 
which is being made locally. That ex- 
plains the delay. Otherwise, in north 
Gujarat, the power station at Gandhi- 
nagar has all but been sanctioned; there 
was a slight clarification as to where 
they are going to get the cooling water. 
That is why it is held up. So Gujarat 
has plenty of it. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What 
about the proposed atomic power sta- 
tion in the Saurashtra region? 

DR. K. L. RAO : Atomic power pro- 
ject will come last. There are so many 
other projects which are under consi- 
deration. A number of hon. Members 
asked about the atomic energy, thinking 
that it is available because the whole 
grant comes from the Centre. It may 
he that the policy may be changed. In 
die western countries they charge it to 
'the states* Then nobody will require 
iW We know the particular case. In 
the ease of Gujarat, because it’ is remote 


from the coalfields Jimd hydro-power 
plants, we are fully; 'ptyp* of it. Mrt 
it takes time. We' hate to gather al 
the resources and come tip, There am 
some hydro-power resources in Gujarat 
which we are trying to develop. 

Even with all this demand, we find 
that with regard to the demand of 20 
million kilowatts for the Fifth Plan, any 
responsible person will think, “How 
can we get these 20 million kilowatts, 
that is, four million kilowatts to be 
added every year?” That is what the 
hon. Member, Shri Samar Guha, said. 
(, Interruptions ) 

*MR. CHAIRMAN: No interruption 
please. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : What about 
Narmada project ? What can be done ? 
That can be implemented. What is 
wrong in it, Sir? 0 Interruptions ) 

DR. K. L. RAO: Well, I can tell 
the hon. House that the Narmada ques- 
tion has been settled very nicely. I 
request the hon. Member not to rake it 
up. I know the whole thing and wbat 
can be done. It is better to avoid that 
subject altogether. That is one of the 
glorious things that we have done. 

The point is, about the 20 million 
kilowatts, it is a highly responsible task 
that we are faced with. How are we 
going to add these 20 million kilowatts ? 
Unlike last year, this time I am very 
happy. I struggled with the Planning 
Commission for one year last time, and 
in the end I was not given what I 
wanted. But this time, they accepted 
the 20 million kilowatt programme — 
C Interruptions ) 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : rose— 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Order, please. 

DR. K. L. RAO : This was worked 
out very carefully, namely, the require- 
ment of 20 million kilowatts. It was 
then agreed to by the Fuel and Energy 
Committee and it was also agreed to 
practically by all the various authorities 
concerned and the Planning Commis- 
sion. What it comes to is this. It is a 
very important activity which we must 
carry out in this decade. If we do not 
have 40 million kilowatts of power by 
1978-79, then this country will have to 
face a very great disaster. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Order please. 

DR. K. L. RAO : Whaf I want io 
submit is, some may say that this £i 





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m dream, and wfc ham can wt add 
20 million kilowatts in the next five 
years, when we arc not able to add one 
million kilowatts a year. That is quite 
true. But here is the necessity, the need 
for this country, If we do not do that, 
the country will go down, and power is 
the basic input for industry and agricul- 
ture. It gives employment for the 
people. That is our aim. Therefore, I 
request hon. Members to co-operate 
fully, whatever may be the drawbacks. 
Therefore, if we all go ahead, then only 
it will be possible for us. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Order, order. 
Let him continue. 

DR. K. L. RAO : In that context, 
there are some steps which we have 
to take. There is no use of going along 
in the conventional way. We fully rea- 
lise that in order to achieve 20 million 
kilowatts, we cannot go along in the 
conventional way. We have to go in a 
different way, in a new approach. The 
most important thing in the new ap- 
proach is to have an organisation at the 
Centre — a central controlling organisa- 
tion — controlling the regions and so on. 

I may submit that the hon. Member 
Dr. Richhariya has always been advo- 
cating central organisation since a very 
long time, and I am also having the 
s&me opinion. But unfortunately we 
have to carry all our States with us. 

( Interruptions ) Well, Shri Samar Guha 
has brought out a very important point 
and I am thankful to him. The next 
thing that I did was, we had a meeting 
of the Ministers of Irrigation and Power 
at Srinagar. There, I put this question 
to them. Then there was a lot of dis- 
cussion. For example, the Minister 
from Mysore said that he is going to 
have a lot hydro-power. For example, 
he wants to have the Kalinadi project. 
He did not want to hand it over to the 
Centre. Actually, I offered to develop 
the Kalinadi project as a Central one. 
And I could have done it by this time, 
because, with the Centre, when all is 
said and done, money flows more 
smoothly. ( Interruptions ) But the only 
condition was we give 50 per cent to 
the State where the power station is 
located, and the other 50 per cent must 
go into the grid. They said, “No, no; 


we do not want that Must have all 
the 100 per cent of power.* 9 How can 
we do that? Another important factor 
is using big size machines. When we 
are going to higher stages, the higher 
limits of power development, you can- 
not do any more with 5 M.W., 10 MW., 
20 M.W. or 30 M.W. or even 100 M.W. 
sets as we are doing now. 

The unit size must be much bigger, 
500 M.W. or 1000 M.W., much bigger 
size, much bigger stations. Today a 
hundred megawatt station is a big one; 
in future it should not be so. It must 
be a million or two million kws sta- 
tions. In countries like the USSR they 
have 3 or 4 million kw stations. Tlien 
again, when you are going to have 
bigger stations, you must have big trans- 
mission lines. At the moment 200 kvs 
lines are a great luxury for us; we 
must in fact develop 400 and 500 kvs 
lines. . . interruptions.) Unfortunately 
there is a controversy; we should not 
get into controversies now. When you 
are thinking of big power stations, yon 
must have also developed transmission 
lines suitable to carry that power. 

*r *mJP% sre 1 1 

MR. CHAIRMAN: The bell is 
rung — now there is quorum. 

DR. K. L. RAO : There are some 
other points which the hon. Members 
have raised and I would have been 
happy to answer them; rarely do I get 
an opportunity to talk to the hon. Mem- 
bers of this House. I would like to 
conclude with one or two sentences. 
Madhya Pradesh has been doing ex- 
tremely valuable work. It has not got 
much power but it has been liberal in 
giving to other areas whatever it ha« 
We want the regional grid to be done* 
that is the first thing. We have taken 
power from Mysore to far off places. 
I thank the hon. Members who took a 
gre a t deal of interest and only hope 
that they ,would continue to evince the 
same interest in the future. 

19 hrs. 


— -.v uupqu inert aajournea tiH 

Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday 
August, 23 1972 /Bhadra 1, 1894 {Saka). 


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CONTENTS 


No. 17 — Wednesday, August 23, 1972/ Bhadru 1, 1894(5iiA«) 

Columns 


Oral Answers to Questions : 

♦Starred Questions Nos. 322, 324, 327, 328, 332, 334, and 336 . 1—34 

Short Notice Question No. 3 34 — 76 

Written Answers to Questions : 

Starred Questions Nos. 321, 323, 325, 326, 329 to 33 1, 335 and 337 to 340 . 76 — 84 


Unstarred Questions Nos. 3180 to 3184, 3186, 3188-320?, 3207 to 3222, 3224 
to 3232, 3234 to 3238, 3240 to 3245, 3247 to 3263, 3265 to 3303, 3305 to 


3307, 3310 to 3362 and 3364 to 3379 84—225 

Papers Laid on the Table . . . 225—27 

Message from Rajya Sabha . 227—28 

Committee on Private Members* Bills and Resolutions— 

Seventeenth Report 228 

Companies (Amendment) Bill- 

Motion for reference to Joint Committee 228- 32 

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill- 

Motion to consider ... 233 — 52 

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan ... . . 233 — 38 

Shri Manoranjan Hazra . . 239—41 

Shri Sudhakar Pandey .... 241—46 

Shnmati Gayatri Devi of Jaipur . 246 — 51 

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh . 251—52 

Motion Re. Separate Central Schemes foi Development of Backward Areas 252 — 320 

Shri Dasaratha Deb 252 — 55 

Shri B. V. Naik ... 255—58 

Shri Biren Engti ' . 258—61 

Shri Murasoh Maran .... .... 262—64 

Shri Narcndra Singh Bisht ... 264—71 

Shri Panna Lai Barupal ... 271— 73 

Shri K. M. Madhukar ... .... 274—78 


♦The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was 
actually asked oil the floor of the House by that Member. 



Columns 


£hn Pan poor nanand Painuli 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya 

Shri Kushok Bakula 

Shn Jagdish Narain Man dal 

Shri Nathu Ram Mirdha 

Shri Darbara Singh 

Shi i T. D. Kamble 

Shri Shambhu Nath 

Shri K. Mallanna 

Shri Rajdeo Singh 

Shri Chiranjib Jha 

Shri K. Ramakrishna Reddy 

Prof. Narain Chand Parasha r 

Shri Ambesh 

Shri Vasant Sathe 

Shri D. P. Dhar 

Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar . 


. 278 — 81 

. 281—84 

. 284—85 

. 285—87 

. 287—90 

290—91 
. 291—93 

. 293—96 

. 296—97 

. 297—300 
. 300—02 

. 302—03 

. 303—04 

. 304—05 

. 305—07 
. 307—18 

318—19 



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LOK SABHA 


Wednesday, August 23,1972/ 

Bhadra 1, 1894 (Saka). 

The Lok Sahha met at Fleven 
of the Clock. 

[Mr. Speakfr in the Chair] 

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Objection of larail Nadu to Directive for 

Correspondence with centre in Hindi 

*322. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether the Tamil Nadu Government 
have objected to the directive of Centre to 
the Joint Secretaries for correspondence 
with the Centre in Hindi and have asked 
to withdraw the directive; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Union Govern- 
ment therto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER- 
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIR- 
DHA) : (a) No. Sir. 

(b) Question does not arise. 

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : The Chief 
Minister of Tamil Nadu had already clari- 
fied on Monday that the Central directive 
on Hindi, he had referred to m the Assembly 
last week related to the mode of addressing 
Union Ministers and the Secretariat and 
not to the correspondence and that it was 
issued by the President on May, 3, 1971 
and ' forwarded to the State Govern- 
41 LS/72 — 2. 


ment by the Prime Ntiribt&’s Cabinet 
Secretariat and the Notification ftrtenifed 
the Government of India Allocation of 
Business Rules, 1961 substituting Hindi 
equivalents for English terms in Ihe First 
Schedule of the Rules. 

So, I want to know whether it is a fact 
that the copy of the President's Notification 
which was issued on 3rd May has been sent 
to the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, giving 
nomenclature of the Ministries and Minis- 
ters in Hindi and, if so what is the purpose 
and what is the present position. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA . Theie 
is no question of there being any directive 
to the State Governments that they should 
address the Ministers of the Union Govern- 
ment in Hindi. The question did not 
arise. I do not know how this impres- 
sion went about. As regards the nomen- 
clature of various Ministries, the House 
is also aware that this problem was raised 
here but it was satisfactorily solved and 
certain amendments were made in view 
of the opinion expressed in this House. I do 
not think there is any problem with respect 
to that Notification either. 

SHRI V. MAYAVAN : May I know 
whether these changes are in consonance 
with the famous assurance of Nehru to 
non-Hu\di speaking States ? I want to know 
whether the Govbrnment has issued strong 
directives to Government servants to use 
these nomenclatures under the threat of 
disciplinary action. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : There 
is no questionjof issuing strong directives 
under the threat of disciplinary action. 


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These are Government orders. As 1 said 
earlier, a satisfactory solution was found 
in the House also. There is no question 
of taking any disciplinary action. Ail the 
Government servants are expected to obey 
these orders. But there is no problem with 
respect to taking any disciplinary action. 
There is no need to do so. There is no occa- 
sion for doing so. 

SHRl V. MAYA VAN : Is it in conso- 
nance with the famous assurance given 
by Mr. Nehru to non-Hindi speaking area ? 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : Every- 
thing that is being done with respect to the 
anguage policy is in consonance with the 
wishes of the Houses as expressed by the 
Resolution and assurance given by the late 
Prime Minister Nehru. 

SHRI SFZH1YAN : The hon. Minister 
was kind enough to recall the assurance 
given on the floor of House last year in 
regard to the amendment to the President's 
Order wherein it was stated that English 
names will be changed to Hindi names 
with Roman libi in brackets. Then, an 
assurance was given on the floor of the 
House that English names will be retained 
and within brackets names will be given 
in Hindi. 

Now, contrary to that,' I find there 
are many communications leceived by 
Members of Parliament and also by the 
public wherein Hindi names aie given, 
either in Devanagari libi or in Roman. 
For example, l have got an envelop which 
has been addressed to me wherein every- 
thing is in Hindi. I do t not know from 
where it has come. Here, I have got another 
letter written to a person in Tanjore District, 
Tamil Nadu, wherein Hindi names are 
used Bharat Sarkar Vnta Mantralaya , 
Raj as w a . ...I do not know from where 
it has come. The English form is not 
given there. 


Why not follow the assurance given 
here that the names will be retained in 
English with Hindi names in Devanagarilibi 
what happened to hat assurance ? 
Even a Minister in Tamil Nadu has told me 
that the Departments' names, etc. in the 
communications addressed to them are 
in Hindi. I want a categorical assurance 
from the hon. Minister as to how far the 
amendmennt to the President’s Order 
just now mentioned has been issued and 
how far it has been implemented in spirit 
and letter. 

SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : As I 
said, the intention of the Government 
is, and we have issued orders to that effect, 
that the assurances given in this House 
have to be obeyed and obeyed in the right 
spirit. The hon. Member has given sonic 
instances. If he can pass them on to me, 
I will examine in detail what lapse there 
is, whether it contravens the assurance 
given and we will take steps to set rnatlets 
right. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : U 
there any opposition to the use of Hindi 
from Andhra Pradesh and, if not, is the 
Central Government going to persuade 
all the States in the countrv to progressively 
use Hindi ? 

MR. SPEAKER . The Question con- 
cerns Tamil Nadu, not Andhra Pradesh 
I do not object if he has got the answer. I am 
judging the relevancy of your supplementary. 

SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY :More 
than 85 per cent of people in Tamil Nadu 
want Hindi (Interruption). 

MR. SPEAKER ■ No please. 

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SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It is 
agreed irrevocably that the use of English 
language for communications between the 
Central Government and State Govern- 
ments and non-Hindi speaking States 


until the latter choose to correspond 
in Hindi remains. In view of the fact 
that complaints are coming from the highest 
quarters, will the hon. Minister consider 
and agree to institute an inquiry into the 
matter so that the whole thing could be 
thoroughly enquired into and a decision 
taken ? 

SHRI RAM NLWAS MIRDHA : It is 
perfectly clear that no enquiry is necessary. 
We are not contravening any provisions 
of the Resolution passed by this House 
or the assurances given here. (Interrup- 
tion) The Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu 
is reported to have said that the Central 
Government has told the State Govern- 
ments that all letters addressed to the Union 
Ministers should be in Hindi. It is not 
correct. Wc have not issued any instruc- 
tions of this nature. 

Industrial Survey of Madhya Pradesh 

*324 SHRT Cr. C. DIXITt : 

' SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any industrial survey of 
Madhya Pradesh has been conducted ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof 
and the action proposed to be taken by 
Government on the Survey Report ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD): (a) and (b). A statement is 
laid on the Table of the House. 

STATEMENT 

► 

(a) Yes, Sir. Recently the Joint Insti- 
tutional Study Team set up by 1DBI, 
IFCI, ICICI and the Reserve Bank of 
India surveyed the State and prepared a 
report on its industrial potential. 

(b) The report brings out that a central 
geographical position conferring benefits of 



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market in the neighbouring areas and safe- 
ty iron strategic point of view, very large 
deposits of mineral redtftrces, particularly 
iron ore, vast forest resjfotces in a wide- 
spread area, a fairly comfortable food 
position coupled with the immense scope 
for furthering agricultural production, a 
lower density of population, surplus power 
and above all, the climate for industria- 
lisation generated by large investments in- 
ducted in public sector projects like Bhilai 
Steel and Heavy Electricals (India) Limit- 
ed (Bhopal) are major favourable factors 
conducive to industrialisation that the State 
enjoys. On the other hand, a relatively 
backward economy marked by a low per 
capita income and income generation, an 
excessive dependence on agriculture, lack 
of industrial tradition, inadequate transport 
system accentuated by the wastness of the 
area rendering exploitation of natural re- 
sources and marketing of produce difficult, 
i datively costly power structure, the dearth 
of legal entrepreneurship and inadequacy 
of trained and skilled labour have beer, the 
mam barriers affecting rapid industrial grow- 
th in the State. The pace of industrialisa- 
tion in the years to come, for which the 
State has undoubtedly unlimited potential, 
greatly depends on the speed with which 
these handicaps are removed and the fav- 
ourable factors are taken advantage of. 

The survey has also identified the in- 
dustrial projects which hold promise of 
coming up m the foreseeable future. 

The report is now updet examination of 
the State Government and will soon be 
discussed by the Committee of Direction to 
finalise the strategy of follow up. 

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SHRI R. S. PANDEY: Madhya Pradesh 
is considered to be a backward State so 
fai as industrial development is concerned, 
so far as the other economic aspects are 
concerned There are certain districts like 
Bastar where raw materials like bamboo 
aic available. In the first week of June, 
the hon Prime Minister visited that area and 
she has seen the condition of the poor 
Adviasis there. May I know whether any 
letter of intent has been issued to any firm 
to find out the potentiality and put up a 
factory — a paper factory? If it has been 
issued to a private concern, what objec- 
tion Government has got to put up an 
industry in the public sector? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD: As far 
as Bastai district is concerned, it is a back- 
ward district and law material available 
there is suitable for paper industry. The 
Bangur Group of industries has been given 
a letter of intent in the Joint Sector. We 
hope that this industry will come up in 
that backward district of Bastar. 

SHRI R S. PANDEY: The paper will 
will have sophisticated machinery and there 
will hardly be any scope for employment 
of people in this automation. May I know 
whether, before they issued the letter of 
intent, they examined the potential of em- 
ployment? This is also very important so 
far as Madhya Pradesh is concerned. 



9 Oral ^tuners 


AUGUST 23, 1?72 


Prial Answers 10 


SHJU SIDPHESflWA* PgASAD: it is 
completely a different question about em- 
ployment potential, etc. If the hon. 
Member wants to have any specific in- 
formation on this point, he may ask a 
separate question. 

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SHRl D. BASUMATARI: Wherever any 
industry is established in the tribal area 
because raw materials are found in those 
areas, the tribal people are ousted from 
their homes and hearths. This being the 
case, may I know from the hon. Minister 
whether he has approached the planning 
Commission to see that, wherever such a 
project is taken up, the ousted people are 
rehabilitated with land for land 7 

SHRl S1DDHESHWAR PRASAD: There 
is a programme for rehabilitation wherever 
industries are set up in such districts. If 
there is any specific project in the mind 
of the hon. Member and if he has certain 
specific issues related to that, he may cer- 
tainly ask a separate question. 

SHRl D BASUMATARI : What about 
Baladilla ? A number of people have 
been ousted from that place. 

MR. SPEAKER : This is a question re- 
garding Madhya Pradesh. Please do not 
think that the Minister is in the dock and 
has to give all the information; that should 
not be the spirit while asking the question. 
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1 1 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 12 


Recommendations df Press Council of 
India on diffusion of Ownership and 
Control of Newspapers 

*327. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whethei the Press Council of India 
have adopted a set of recommendations on 
diffusion of ownership and control of 
newspapers; 

(b) whether those lecommendations 
have been forwarded to Government for 
consideiation and necessary action; and 

(c) if so, the outlines of the recom- 
mendations made by the Press Council and 
the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). It is understood 
that the Press Council is considering this 
matter. 


his question is about the Press Council and 
that we have replied to. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Is it not 
a fact that a Committee of Ministers was 
then appointed at the end of last year to 
make firm proposals? In May this year, 
the Prime Minister, regretting the delay, 
assured the Parliament that the Committee 
was on the verge of concluding its labours. 
Eight months of discussion in the Com- 
mittee of Ministers has led to a compre- 
hensive Bill whtch is actually. . . . 

MR. SPEAKER Are you asking a 
question ? 

SH R1 JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am ask- 
ing a question. What is the reason for the 
Government to postpone the Bill? Let 
the people not get the impression that the 
Government is pressurised by the p ress 
barons. 


(c) Does not arise. 

SHRI IYOTIRMOY BOSU. The Govern- 
ment announced its intention in the last 
year during the Budget Session to amend 
the Companies Act to give effect to what 
was recommended by the Press Council as 
far back as 1954. What is the reason that 
they have not been able to fulfil the assu- 
rance they have given on the floor of the 
House while trying to meet the requirements 
of the members on the Budget 7 


SHRI l K. GUJRAL l think my hon. 
friend, when he drafted his supplementaries, 
forgot the main question The main ques- 
tion pertains to the discussion on the Press 
Council itself. The supplementaries are 
about the process through which the Govern- 
ment is passing. All the same, I am trying 
to accommodate him. 

1 would like to repeat what said earlier, 
that the entire matter is under consider- 
ation of the Government and the broad 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI I K. GUJRAL). 
The hon. Member ha? mixed up the Press 
Council with the Press Commission. The 
question is about the Press Council . . . 
(Interruptions) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . I meant 
Press Commission. am sorry. 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : do not know 
what he means because the intention is 
walways very pious. The difficulty is that 


intentions and commitments of the Govern- 
ment are known to this House . . . 
(Intel i apt ions) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . am 
going by what the Prime Minister has 
kindly said on the floor of the Hojse in May 
last and also last year the Information & 
Broadcasting Minister. Now, this Bill 
should have been enacted in 4his session. 
So, whatever he says we will view it with 
great suspicion. What is the reason for 
the Government for not bringing t be Bill 



13 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, t*94 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 14 


for enactment in this session ? We want 
to know specifically and categorically. 

SHRl I. K. GUJRAL : The Government 
has made no commitment at any stage that 
the Bill would come in this session. The 
only thing 1 would like to repeat is that the 
Government is now seized of the matter 
and the Government stands by its commit- 
ment. 

SHRI' JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He has 
misled the House once again. It was there 
in Part II Bulletin which listed the Bills 
coming up for discussion in the session. 
On the top of that the hon. Minister says 
that the Government never said. 

MR. SPEAKER : May be, but, not 
commit ted for this session. 

SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : It was 
in Part II Bulletin. I raised i t in the House- 
you remenber and he apologised. Today 
he takes a different stance. 1 understand 
that the big business is pressurising them 
and they are dilly-dallying with the whole 
issue. 

MR. SPEAKER : This is Question- 
Hour. Please sit down after your question. 

SHRl 1. K. GUJRAL : l would like to 
make clear one thing. My hon. friend 
has made wild allegations. J can say with 
a great deal of assertion that neither any 
big business in this country nor my hon. 
friend will have any strength to pressurise 
the Government. The Government can 
stand on its own and its own policies. 

SHRl JYOTIRMOY BOSU : All paper 
tigers. 

SHRl INDRAJIT GUPTA. Apart from 
the fact as my friend, Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, 
said and has correctly said, that the Bulletin 
for the Session did list this Bill among the 
other Bills which were put down for busi- 
ness -he may say that that is not a commit- 
ment, bat at least we were led to believe 


that it will be one of the items of business 
for this session— apart from that, would 
like to know from him that in view of the 
f^ct that this Committee of Ministers did 
go in depth into this question as far as we 
know and as a result of their labours, it 
is said that some draft Bill has been prepared 
and the Committee included eminent lawyer 
Ministers also like Shri G ok hale and Shri 
Kumaramangalam, what prevents the Go- 
vernment from at least introducing the Bill 
and then let it go to a Select Committee 
where all the details and all that can be 
gone into ? Why should it not be intro- 
duced? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After 
discussion. 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : What my friend 
is saying is quite strange that the Govern- 
ment introduces Bills without finalising 
its own policy. The Government docs 
not finalise its policy in the Select Commi- 
ttees. Whenever the Government makes 
a Bill or brings a Bill, then the Government 
stands by it Only minor adjustments 
are made in the Select Committee. 

The basic issue which my hon. friend 
might know is that the Committee of Mini- 
sters waa appointed. The Ministers Com- 
mittee did discuss. The Ministers’ Com- 
mittee did not discuss the final draft as it 
was given to us. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
The hon. Minister was pleased to say that 
m some form this matter is being considered 
by the* Press Council. Now, may I ask 
whether the Press Council is doing it on 
its own or on a reference fron the Govern- 
ment ? If it is on a reference from the Gover- 
nment, what are the points that have been 
referred to the Press Council ? 

SHRl I. K. GUJRAL : My hon. friend 
will recall that in the Press Council Act 
a specific clause has been laid down that 



15 Oral 


^UGLIJH' 2S, 1972 


<k«l Antwers 16 


the Press Council shall cx^ptin? the diffusion 
of newspapers ownership, etc. Therefore, 
it did not need any refyencp from the 
Government. Jhp press Council is now 
studying it in terms of the particular clause 
in the law itself. 

SHRI MURASQU MARAN : Is it 
true that the Government is waiting or 
keeping the Bill in cold storage because 
the Government wants to wait until the 
judgment regarding the Newspaper Control 
Order is delivered ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : When the Go- 
vernment decide finally as to what shape 
the Bill should take, naturally all the factors 
will be considered and naturally one of the 
factors will be the judgment of the Supreme 
Court. We cannot ignore that. 

* 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I want to know 
from the hon. Minister whether he is aware 
that although the progressive section of 
our people are for the anti-monopoly Bill, 
there is an apprehension in the minds of 
large sections of people that m trying to 
diffuse the ownership and control of the 
newspapers the Government is trying 
to indirectly control the newspapers them- 
selves. In view of this apprehension may 
I know whether the views of the large sec- 
tion of the public, intellectuals and readers 
and others, will be taken into consideration 
before coming to final decision in regard 
to drafting of the Bill ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : While drafting 
the Bill the broad spectrum of the public 
opinion will be kept in view and when it 
comes before the House, the hon. Members 
who represent public opinion may also be 
able to let us know about the public reaction. 
But may I also add that there need be 'no 
3 Rprehensipn whatsoever so far as freedom 
pf exp^ssioq is concerned. This Govern- 
ment stands committed to freedom of press. 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEp rpsd 

MR. SPEAKER : Your leader has asked 
a question. Then I will come tq you in 
the second round hut not immediately. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Puring 
discussion you go by Party. In Question- 
Hour also, should you go Partywise ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Try to understand 
the substance of my reason. Once he has 
asked, I have to go to the other side. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In thqt case, 
let the Prime Minister answer one question 
on their behalf, nobody else. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Whatever 
you are saying should apply to the Congress 
also. Then we will be happy. One ques- 
tion for each Party. 

SHRI HARl KISHORE SINGH : In 
view of the wide interest on this question, 
may l know how long it will take for the 
Government to finalise its policy ? 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as finali- 
sation of policy is concerned, that is well 
known to my friend. The policy is finalised 
The question is drafting and bringing a 
Bill. For that, I think, Sir, naturally it 
takes time. But cannot commit myself 
in terms of days and months as to how long 
it will take. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : May I 
point out one thing. In reply to my ques- 
tion, the Minister said that Committee 
of Ministers did not determine the Govern- 
ment's policy and the policy has to be deter- 
mined before the Bill is brought or given 
to the Select Committee. Now he says 
that the policy has already determined 
( Interruptions ) 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : I stand by v(iat 
1 sajd that the Ministers* Committee did 
not consjdpr the final draft as sent tp pie 
Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. 
I die) not talk about policy. 



P Oral Answers 


BHADRA |,1 WIS4XA) 


OralAjfswerq 18 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE ; Conversion 
<Sf the Press Trust of India and other news 
38c$£i& ihto a Corporation was delayed 
Realise they were trying to bring a legis- 
lation for supposed to be diffusion of owner- 
ship and control of newspapers. I would 
like to know 4 s to why there is the delay, 
why conversion of the PTI into a public 
corporation is being delayed though there 
was a clear recommendation by the Press 
Council 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : The Press Council 
made no such recommendation to us. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEK : It was the 
recommendation of the Press Commission 
that the PTI should be taken over and 
converted into a corporation. This 
House was told by Shrimati Nandini 
Satpathy when she was the I & B Minister 
that this was delayed because of this Bill. 
I want to know why the Bill is being delayed 
now. 

SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : The Press Com- 
mission did suggest and some steps were 
taken in the past in the light of the Press 
Commission's report also. We have also 
felt that some further action is needed 
and as part of this Bill we will deal with 
News Agencies also. 

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19 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Oral Answers 20 


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SHRI PARTPOORNANAND PA1N- 
ULI : The Ministr has rightly said and 
the working group’ of the Planning Com- 
mission long ago had recommended that 
in the backward areas they should set up 
new industries How is it that during 
the yeai 1969-70 and 1970-71, only 91 
industries are set up in the backward 
and the tribal areas out of a total of 752 
industries set up during this period? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD: 
Location of industries in the backward 
areas is going up in 1969, 17 licences were 
given for setting up of industries in back- 
ward areas ; in 1970 this figuie went up 



21 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 22 


to 59 and in 1971 it went up still further 
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SHRl R S PANDEY : Thi*, is a re- 
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backward area. 

MR. SPEAKER : Persons establish- 
ing industries are still backward; it is 
suffering because of that. 1 am sorry I am 
also participating in the discussion 

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
Punjab is one of the most advanced and pro- 
gressive Stales in the world, l should say. 
The per capita income of Punjab is the 
highest m the whole of India. 

MR, SPEAKER : It is not because 
of your industry ; it is due to our own 
industry ; we arc hard-working people. 

SHRl R.S PANDEY Punjabis are 
most industrious, Su 

DR. MAH1PATRAY MEHTA : Huge 
capital is lying idle which came from the 
icfugces from Africa in the backward dis- 
trict of Kutch in Gujarat. What is it that 
Government wants to do to utilise this 
capital for the industrial development of 
that area ? 

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
It is a sepai ate question. 

SHRl D.N. Tl W ARY : The hon. Minis- 
ter* has given the figures of industries estab- 
lished in backward areas. North Bihar 


is the most backward area. May I know 
how many industries were set up there 
during the last 10 years ? Except Barauni 
refinery there is no industry in the seven 
districts of North Bihar. May I know 
whether any steps are being taken to set 
up industries there and if so, what are the 
steps ? 

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 

I do not have the details. After the coming: 
into being of the backward area scheme* 
certain new industries m the backward 
districts of North Bihar have been licensed. 

SHRl DN. TIWARY : I don’t see 
any activity there in opening up of any 
new industry. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS rose— 

MR SPEAKER : Fvery gentleman who 
is standing is under the impiession that he 
is alone standing He docs not know 
that so many othcis are standing also. 
How is it possible to accommodate so 
many people ? I will pick up one from 
backward area, Shri Mohanty. 

SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY : 
Has there been any shift in the policy of 
industrialisation of the backward areas 
in view of Mr. Subramaniam's package 
plan for backward areas ? If so, what 
are the broad features of that change in 
policy. 

SHRl SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
Wc are laying more and more emphasis 
on the development of the backward dis- 
tricts and also areas which are backward. 
Such areas are spotted out and project 
reports are prepared 

SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY : 
My question is being evaded. I asked a 
specific question. Is there going to be a 
shift in the policy of industrialisation of 
the backward districts and backward areas 



23 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Q/q! 4my?s 7A 


ft* yfcy of Mr. Subfamqj$un> admitted 
‘pj^age ptafl’ which is ^ contradiction 
of tt$ earlis? scheme of fleyelopment of 
l^ch^ard areas ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE & 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI G SUBRAMA- 
NIAM): There is no change in the industri- 
alisation programme. But my idea is 
this, namely that pushing in a few industries 
alone would not bring up the backward 
areas and make them forward with re- 
ference to the large masses of the people. 
Therefore, if we take into account the lagre 
masses of the people, the package progra- 
mmes will have to be taken up, and that 
i9 being worked out. 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY : 
Is that his subjective assessment, or is it 

guided by any objective considerations? 

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SHRI B.P. MAURYA : My question 
has not been answered. Will it be the 
policy of Government to allocate the funds 
on the basis of the backward aieas and the 
population <rf the Scheduled Tribes? Let 
him say ‘Yes* or ‘No*. 


SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : As fat as 
financial allocation by Government is con- 
cerned, that would be only with reference 
to public sector projects. But public sector 
projects are only in the heavy industries area 
and their number is limited. Therefore, 
generally, it has got to be a case of pushing 
the private sector to these backward areas 
as much as possible, and allocation of 
specific funds does not arise. But I do 
agree that in spite of all our efforts to have 
more industrialisation in backward areas, 
for want of the infra-structure and other 
facilities there, even with all the induce- 
ments, industrialisation is not taking place 
as much as would like it to. But we shall 
make all efforts to provide this infrastruc- 
ture at least in certain key areas m the back- 
ward districts and see that some industries 
come up there. 

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SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : The hon. 
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g6itt| to provide any employment oppor- 
tunities for tHe Adibasis, because these 
rtSftiife hfeiily trained men, particularly 
ttie refineries and other sophisticated indus- 
tiies. In the name of Adibasis, certainly 
they can claim industries, but certainly it 
would not be for the benefit of the Adiba- 
sis themselves. Therefore, it has got to 
be a programme of giving proper train- 
ing to the Adibasis and also taking up 
industries which would benefit them and 
which would give employment potential 
to them more than a question of pushing 
these sophisticated industries there. 

SHR1 VlR BHADRA SINGH : How 
many licences have been issued for setting 
up Industries in the private or public sector 
in Himachal Pradesh and in the UP Hills, 
which the hon. Minister knows are very 
backwaid areas industrially, and will 
Government give special attention to in- 
dustrialise these areas ? 

MR. SPEAKER : That is a very specific 
question. If the hon. Minister is prepared 
to answer, I have no objection. 

SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
I would require notice for it. 

DR H P SHARMA : The reply states 
very clearly that it is the accepted policy 
of Government to give preferential treat- 
ment to backward areas, subject only to 
one condition, namely that the techno- 
cconomic conditions would be feasible. 
There is a very specific case of shifting 
of the oil refineiy from Sawoi Madhopur 
to Agia. Sawoi Madhopui is a backward 
district and the population there is Sche- 
duled Tribe. Theie are no problems of 
techno-economic feasibility. Even then, 
why was the decision taken to shift it from 
Sawoi Madhopur to Agra. Would Govern- 
ment reconsider the decision ? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : This 
question should be put to the Petroleum 
and Chemicals Ministry. 


SHRI KRISHNA HALDER : Ban- 
kura and Purulia are tow backward dis- 
tricts in West Bengal inhabited by Sche- 
duled Tribes. May I know whether Go- 
vernment is going to open new factories 
in these two districts ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR RRASAD : 
The raiin question relates to Rajasthan. 

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SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : Hon. 
Members do not expect us to have figures 
in respect of all the districts in the whole 
of India. If the hon. Member is interest- 
ed in these two districts, either he can write 
to me and I shall give him the information* 
or he can put a separate question. 

Joint Sector for rapid Industrializa- 
tion 

*332. SHRI S R. DAMAN1 : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any policy has been evolved 
to implement the concept of joint-sector 
for rapid industrialization ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof; 
and 

(c) if not, when a clear cut decision Will 
be taken to remove the uncertainties in 
the investment climate ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD ) : (a) to (c) . A statement is laid 
on the, Table of the House. 

Statement 

To secure the rapid growth of indus- 
tries in a manner consistent with 
national needs and public interest, the 
Industrial Licensing Policy of the Gbvem- 
merit announced in February, 1970 envi- 
sages the concept of the Joint Sector through 



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Oral Answers 28 


which a greater degree or participation, 
particularly at policy leveli will be ensured 
in the k case of mqor projects involving 
substantial assistance frotn Public Finan- 
cial Institutions. These institutions will 
have the option for converting loans and 
debentures issued in future into equity. 
In respect of loans and debentures given 
in the past, the financial institutions .will 
have the discretion, in cases of defaults, 
to negotiate conversion. Detailed guide- 
lines regarding conversion have been issued 
by the Department of Banking and copies 
of the same have already been laid on the 
Table of the House. 

Instructions have been issued that 
where State Industrial Development Cor- 
porations wish to associate other parties 
in the projects licensed to them, the Cor- 
porations themselves should hold not Jess 
than 26% of the equity and no other party 
should hold more than 25%. 

SHRI S R. DAMANI : This scheme 
has been introduced for the rapid growth 
of industries. But no detail has been 
given in the statement. May I know 
the reactions of the entrepreneurs regard- 
ing this scheme? Are they fully satisfied 
with it or do they have any reservation, 
and if they have any reservation, on what 
grounds, and how are Government 
going to tackle it? Secondly, may I also 
know whether under this scheme, foreign 
entrepreneurs will also be allowed to par- 
ticipate, and if so, whether any agreement 
has been reached with foreign entrepren- 
eurs under this scheme? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
This joint-sector concept has worked very 
well in certain industries, and we want to 
expand this idea further. There has been 
good response. Beyond this, Government 
also want to have some so^t of policy con- 
trol in such industries where a lot of public 
finance has been loaned or invested. With 


this idea in view this joint-sector idea has 
been introduced, and I hope that it is bound 
to succeed. Since this new form has been 
introduced only very recently, therefore, 
the assessment and the real position will 
be known only after some time. 

SHRI S.R. DAMANI : May I know 
whether foreign entrepreneurs also would 
be allowed under this scheme ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
For foreign collaboration also, broad 
guidelines have been issued under which 
foreign collaborations are being allowed. 

SHRI S.R. DAMANI : Whal are the 
specific items reserved for the joint sector, 
and will the same terms and conditions 
and facilities be given in all the States uni- 
formly or will they be different for different 
States ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
Under the Industrial Policy Resolution 
of 1956, we have certain items reserved 
for the public sector and certain items 
or the prvatc sectoi This joint 
sector concept is being implemented in 
those items which were supposed to be 
left for the private sector. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA- 
So far as the joint sector is concerned, 
one thought is that this sector was not 
meant to radically change the IP Resolu- 
tion, that is, sectors earmarked for the 
private sector or for the public sector 
would be kept intact. Is that the position 0 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMAN- 
IAM): Yes, that is the position. But 
when in the private sector large investments 
have to be made from public financial 
institutions, then the idea is instead 
of giving loan purely for the private 
sector, to make it a joint sector. That ts 



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the policy decision now and further de- 
tails axe being worked out as to the various 
alternative form of operation of the joint 
sector with regard to financial participa- 
tion, management etc. 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : How many 
joint sector units have been formed till 
now ? how many are pending ? 

MR. SPEAKER : This question is about 
the policy evolved. He may take a sepa- 
rate question. 

SOME hon. MEMBERS rose - 

MR. SPEAKER : Any of you. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 1 am a 
turn-key project the moment you pi ess 
the button, I am ready. 

MR. SPEAKER : I said ‘any of you’ 
because all the three are quite strong. 

SHRI SM. BANERJEE : There was 
a new item in the papers to the effect that 
Shri J R.D. Tata has suggested that T1SCO 
should be run on a joint sector basis. Is 
it true, and if so, what is Government’s 
reaction? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM . The 
question should be addressed to the Steel 
Ministry 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : The question 
was about the joint sector and my question 
was following from that. 

MR. SPEAKER : He is asking a specific 
question to which he has replied that it 
should be addressed to the concerned 
Ministry. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : In view 
of what the hon. Minister has said just 
now that the contents of the IP Resolution 
which they had very piously brought out 
would remain untouched, will he kindly 
.explain to us how is it that TELCO 
is being allowed to expand its production 


of steel, which is item No. 1 in the IP 
Resolution, concerning industries which 
should remain in the public sector, by 100 
per cent, and only the increased capacity 
will be in the joint sector ? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : TELCO 
is not producing steel but trucks. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am sorry, 

I meant TISCO . . .May I seek your pro- 
tection ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I have to seek protec- 
tion of the whole House against him. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Why do 
you get angry. Sir? Wc are in a cheerful 
mood to transact business, I meant TISCO, 

] know it is a tricky and embarrassing 
question, but let him answer it. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is not relevant. 

SHRI A.P. SHARMA : In this policy 
decision about the working of the joint 
sector, the scheme of workers’ parti- 
cipation in management also been 
decided upon ? 

SHhl C. SUBRAMANIAM : It is a 
different question. But labour partici- 
pation is the policy accepted. It does not 
arise out of this. 

Organisation ‘Assist” set op in Bangalore 
to help qualified doctors, engineers, scien- 
tists and technicians returning from 
abroad 

*334. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
a non-profit organisation “ASSIST” has 
been started in Bangalore to help qualified 
doctors, engineers, scientists and tech- 
nicians wanting to return to India and 
find suitable jobs ip the country; 



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(b) if fcd, #hether t^eririWeht are pre- 
ptoM to p&br6nt& ® organisation to 
Stop brain-drain Wd feeip id rehabilitate 
those who return to ftfe country; and 

(c) if so, the main features of the pro- 
gramme? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The “ASSIST” approached the 
Council of Scientific and Industrial Re- 
search (CSIR) for general cooperation. 
The CSIR has asked the organisation to 
spell but what it expects from CSIR in 
furthering its service to Scientists. 

(c) Does not arise. 

SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Instead of 
asking ASSIST to spell it out, will CSIR 
fonnulate a programme to make it an 
effective organisation? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : This is 
a private organisation They have asked 
for our assistance. We have asked them 
what assistance do they need. Certainly 
we cannot ask the ASSIST to reorganise 
itself in a particular way, but we should 
know what they mean by ASSIST. Hence 
we have asked for clarification. 

Response to incentives to start Indostries 
In Backward areas 

*336. SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN: 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TEC- 
HNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the response to the scheme 
to provide incentives to entrepreneurs 
to start industries in the backward areas 
continues to be rather poor; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) Whether Gdvemment are working out 
any alternative schemas to start industries 


THE DEftTTY MINISTER IN 

Ministry bE industrial deve- 
lopment (shri siobrife§H#Ak 
PRASAD (a) to (c) : Since the scheme 
of incentives is in its early stage of imple- 
mentation it will be too soon to judge its 
results at this stage. Most of the State 
Governments are in the process of Orga- 
nising these preliminary arrangements 
which are the necessary pre-requisites for 
industrial growth and'which together with 
the incentives schmes will induce industries 
to be set up in backward districts. 

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN : In 
view of newspaper reports about the poor 
response to the scheme, how many appli- 
cations have been received, how many 
licences issued and how many are from 
the big industrial houses ? 

SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD : 
The response has not been poor. Alto- 
gether as on i-8-72, we have received 1318 
applications. 1 do not have the figure 
as to how many are from the larger houses. 

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The 
fact remains that the big industrial houses 
are after a high rate of profit and since 
starting industries in the rural sector may 
not be highly profitable, they are not much 
interested in this scheme. It is because 
of that that I asked in (c) whether Govern- 
ment are working out any alternative 
scheme. Are Government seriously think- 
ing of working out any alternative scheme 
in view of the failure of this scheme? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- 
MANIAM ): I am Sure the hon. membefr 
is not interested in the big houses coming 
into this. As I stated in reply to another 



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question, it is not just a question of giv- 
ing incentives alone particularly for the 
new entrepreneurs and medium-size in- 
dustries; it is a question of giving all the 
other infra-structure facilities also. This 
is being taken up. As pointed out by 
my colleague, there has been a good 
number of applications and they are being 
processed. We should see how far during 
1972-73 we will be able to push these things. 
As a matter of fact, the likely expenditure 
with regards to subsidies and various 
other incentives would be round about 
Rs 2 crores in 1972-73 on present assess- 
ment. 

SHRIC SUBRAM ANl AM : We should 
watch it, and if it does not click, as far as 
the scheme is concerned, it is not as if 
we arc not thinking about it We should 
formulate other progiammcs for the pui- 
pose of bring. ng up the backward areas 

SHR1 VASAN r SATHL ■ In view of 
the fact that in these regions, one of the 
important requiremnels for development 
is the adequate supply of law materials 
and then marketing, is the Government 
having any plan to meet these requirements 
so that in these regions industrial growth 
may take place in the medium and small- 
scale sectei.. ,J 

SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM When the 
industries come up, these will be taken 
care of — the raw materials and adequate 
facilities for marketing. 

SHRl VASANT SATHE : Even in the 
existing industries, the raw material is 
not adequately supplied. Arc you going 
to take care of them? 

SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : That is 
mite a different question There is a 
general scarcity. We are aware of it, and 
wo are taking steps to remove the scarcity 
of raw materials generally m the industrial 
sector. 

41 LSS/72— 3 


MR. SPEAKER ; The question-hour 
is over. We take up the Short Notice 
Question now. 

Short Notice Question 

Alleged murder of shri Onkar Singh at 
Balbir Nagar, Shnhdara (Delhi) 

SNQ.3 SHRI H K. L. BHAGAT : 

DR. L AXMINARA VAN 
PANDEYA: 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to stale the steps taken by 
Government to meet the situation arising 
out of the alleged murder of Shri Onkar 
Singh, an'officer of the Delhi Home Guard, 
at Balbir Nagar, Shahdara (Delhi)? 

THr MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OE HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K C. PAN!) A statement is laid on the 
Table of the House. 

SOME HON MEMBERS . Read the 
statement 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
We have got a whole bunch of statements, 
but not that one We have not seen it. 

MR SPIAKLR . He can read the 
statement . (Infer/ upturn) 

SHRI SM BANERJEE : He says it 
is laid on the Table. In that case, the 
papers should have been circulated. 

MR. SPEAKER : That is why I asked 
him to read the statement. Anyway, 
I got this copy quite in advance. 

SHRI ‘V1KRAM MAHAJAN : Please 
ask the Notice Office to supply such things 
earlier. (Interruption) 

SHRI K C. PANT : On the 21st August, 
I had spoken in the House on the regret- 
table incidents that had taken place in 
Shahdara on the 19th and the 20th. Some 
incidents took place on the 21st August 



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Oral Answers 35 


also. The situation has remained quiet 
since the evening of the 21st. 

The two cases registered in regard to 
the death of Shri Onkar Singh are being 
investigated according to law by the Crime 
Branch of Delhi Police, personally by the 
Superintendent of Police. A.S.I. Bakshish 
Singh, Head Constable Sujan Singh and 
Constable Dharam Pal have been arrested 
in connection with one of the cases and have 
been placed under suspension. Six other 
persons have also been arrested in the 
case. 

To deal with violent mobs the police 
resorted to the use of tcargas and lalhi- 
charge. On one occasion, when a violent 
mob surrounded the Shahdara Railway 
police Post the officer in Charge fired from 
his revolver. One person was hit and later 
died According to information avail- 
able with the police, 87 members of the 
public were injured. 280 police person- 
nel and magistrates also received injuries. 
In respect of specific incidents of violence 
21 cases have been registered and aie be- 
ing investigated according to law. In- 
fluential citizens of Delhi have taken the 
welcome initiative to enlist people’s co- 
operation in the maintenance of peace. 

Government has decided to institute 
a judicial inquiry to inquire into the course 
of the disturbances, the adequacy of the 
administrative measuies taken to pi event 
and deal with them, the justification For the 
use of force by the police, the extent 1 hereof 
and the allegations of excesses by the police. 

SHRI HKl. BHAGAY . Mr. Speaker, 
Sir, it is with a sense of deep anguish and 
pain that I rise to ask for a few clarifica- 
tions in regard to the matter in question. 
During the last three to four da>s, the 
name of this great capital of India has 
been sullied by ugly incidents, tnggered 
off by the alleged murder at Shahdara of 


the Home Guards Officer by a police, officer 
and some of the alleged accomplices res- 
ulting m incidents of violence, arson and 
dislocation of rail and road traffic, 

MR. SPEAKER : Put the question. 

SHRI H K.L. BHAGAT : I am asking 
the question,— burning and damage to 
public property, injury to a large number 
of innocent men and women and children, 
and police personnel, and immeasurable 
hardship to the people in general in the 
Trans-Iumna area. In the interests of 
justice, a few clarifications arc very neces- 
sary. 

Firstly, the alleged murder took place on 
the 18th of August, 1972 and the alleged 
culpi its were arrested on the 19th. Latci, 
between the 18th and 19th, hundreds of 
people gathered at the police station and 
told the officers concerned that it was a 
case of murdei. I would like to know 
what efforts were made and by whom and 
m what manner and with what prompt- 
ness, to ascertain the truth. Did any 
senior officer visit these spots? Did he 
inieirogate any people. Did he gather 
any evidence and, if not, why not 7 What 
was the p)ima Jtiue evidence with the 
authority, as a result of which they took 
it as an alleged case of encounter with the 
dacoits 7 What was the prima Jaae 
evidence with the authorities which 
warranted a magisterial enquiry - 
which was announced ? Could not 
ihc pnma feme evidence in icgard to both 
the versions be shifted more quickly to 
ainvc at a conclusion eailicr 7 Was the 
matter bi ought to the notice of senior 
office! s'* 

What 1 want to know is this. A judicial 
enquiry has been ordered into these inci- 
dents. 1 welcome the judicial enquiry. 
The case is under investigation. This 
matter of the alleged murder is not within 
the purview of the judicial enquiry. I 



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would just like to know, because a feel- 
ing exists that if the whole thing had been 
shifted quickly, may be the trouble could 
have been avoided, 1 want to know why 
it ‘ was not shifted quickly. 

Another thing 1 would like to know is 
this 

MR SPHAKhR . In the way in which 
he is them, 1 think has become 

a disciple of Prof. Samar Guha. Let the 
Minister answer the questions. 

SHR1 K C. PANT : I have alicady said 
in my statement that among the matters 
which the judicial enquiry will cover is 
' the adequacy of the administrative measures 
taken to prevent and deal with them The 
real point which my hon friend is referring 
to here —the question that he asks— relates 
to the possibility of the incidents having 
been prevented or the possibility that it 
might have been prevented had certain 
actions been laken earlier. This is the 
crux of the matter, and this is one of the 
points which the judicial enquiry has to 
go into, whether adequate admmistiative 
measures were taken to prevent the inci- 
dents that happened So, I would beg 
of him to leave tins mailer to the judicial 
cnquuy, because I cannot possibly, olT 
the cuff, give a finding on the niattci which 
will be looked into by the judicial enquiry. 

SHR1 HKL BHAGAI ■ Secondly, 
the Home Munster assured us, and anno- 
unced a judicial enquiry on the floor of 
the House, on the 21st and he received 
compLmts to the effect that on the ?lxt, 
in Baiba nagar extension, in I om Road 
and in Bhawanput Khcia, a number of 
innocent pet sons, men and women, were 
beaten and received injuries at the hands 
of the police pcisonncl, who entered into 
their houses. What action has been taken? 
Has any cnquuy been condueled into this, 
and what action is proposed to be taken 


against the persons responsible? A very 
strong action is called for against those 
responsible for all this. 

SHRJ K.C. PANT : At this stage, if 
you will allow me to make a personal re- 
ference to Shi i Bhagat, I would like to say 
that in these whole series of incidents, 
Shri Bhagat has been very helpful in deal- 
ing with the situation. (Interruption) I 
w'ould like to say so because many persons 
have visited this area after the incidents, 
but he was there during most of the inci- 
dents. [ know this because I was in touch 
with him. He mentioned it, and others 
also brought it to my notice that certain 
incidents have taken place in Balbimagar 
on the 21st, and he visited the area. Some 
of our other MPs also visited the area on 
that very day,— Mrs Mukul Bancrji, Mrs. 
Sheila Kaul. 

SHRI JYOTJRMOY BOSU: Not any 
Opposition Members. 

SHRI K.C PANT : I said, on the day 
of the incidents As far as I know'— speak- 
ing subject to correction— all the Opposi- 
tion Members, except for certain Jan 
Sangh people, visited the area later on. 
1 am sure, they will give me names if there 
are any. 

As I was mentioning, these incidents 
were biougut to my notice. But these 
are abo within the purview of the judicial 
inquiry. It is within the competence of 
the judicial inquny to go mto these inci- 
dents that have taken place on the 21st. 
So, wc will have (o await (he result of the 
inquiry to <ind out exactly where the blame 
lies. • 

SHRI Hkl BHAGAT : Sir, the 
matter relates to niv const iiucncy. Kindly 
permit me to put one oi two qucsMons 
more 1 will be very brier. 

MR SPL.AKFIR . We go by the rules. 
Only two qustionx are allowed to him. 
If 1 allow it in Ins case today, 1 will have 
to do in future also 



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AUGUST 23, 1972 


Oral Answers 40 


SHRI H. K L. BfJAGAT : Only one 
question. 

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SHRI H. K. L. BHAGAT . The Govern- 
ment has ordered a judicial inquay. There 
is a feeling in the minds of the people that 
if those officers against whom the comp- 
plaints are made arc there, how the inquiry 
will be fail. Secondly, a large number 
of innocent people have been arrested 
Is the Government looking into their cases? 

They .should be released Is the Govern- 
ment taking any action in this connec- 
tion ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : My lion fuend 
and my other friends whom 1 mentioned 
before had taken up this matter with me 
We have gone into this question. I would 
like to make it perfectly clear that we 
do not want to pre-judge the guilt or 
otherwise of any officer It would be 
very wrong on out pait to do so. But 
since it has been said that it would assist 
the inquiry if some of the officers arc not 
there, we have removed some of the office! s 
from there, the S.ll O , the S.D M , and 
the S.DPO I would again emphasise 
that this is neither piesumption of guilt 
nor that anything has been done in connec- 
tion with anything which will attribute 
guilt to them. It ls only in deference to 
the wishes of the hon Members who 
said that it will assist the inquiry 

So far as releases aie concerned, some 
release have been made. We have asked 
the LG. to look into Ihe^e cases and see 
wherever it is not necessary to keep people 
in prison, they are leleased. We would 
be the first to say that they should be re- 
leased Some releases have already been 
made 

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Oral Answers . 44 


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Tim i» a question about atrocities on the pait 
of Police. Kovv is that relevant lieu? 
(Ini cn upturn) 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU * This is an 
unprecedented police atiouiy in Delia 
Theie was house-to-house i aid on 2 1st 
August, two days after the happenings, 
from I to 3 PM after the Minister had 
nude the statement at noon here They 
have cteated Frankenstein of (he Police 
A beautiful cdiloual has been written in the 
Indian E vines s which says that n used the 
Police for political put pose*, to furlhct 
their cause — the cause of the i tiling pany— 
during the last elections, now r you cannot 
control them, they will take liberty, etc, 
etc. This is an example that we have and 
we must take a lesson from that 

Lven on 21st August the Police had pie- 
vented people from going to the local hospi- 
tal for fust aid, admission and ticatmcnt 
They had gone down to that extent! There 
is another problem This statement was not 
ci i culaled to us . 

MR SPL'AKER ■ It is a brief statement; 
he has read n. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; We must 
get it examined, Su, what Cock and Bull 
stoiy has been given. 

My questions aie these, if the hon. 
Minister will make a note, on 19th and 20th 



45 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 {SAKA) 


Oral Answers 46 


August, on both the days, how many were 
treated in the local hospital, how many 
people were admitted in the hospital, Daya- 
nand Hospital, how many people were sent 
out of Shahdara, because they could not 
provide bed, to Irwin Hospital and places 
like that, age and sex of those who were 
involved, who required medical aitention 
and what sort of injuries ihey had on them; 
on the 2lst August, m Balbir Nagar m Gah 
Nos. 4, 5 and 6 — which we visited and 
where we made thorough enquiries— how 
many persons were admitted in the hospital 
for first aid, how many were sent out of 
Shahdara for treatment in Delhi hospitals; 
the numbet of poisons arrested so far from 
beginning to end, how many complaints 
have been received fiom people about police 
atrocities, trespass, ^matching of ornaments, 
wrist watches, ear-rings, etc , whether the 
piemises of the policemen involved wcie 
searched and if so, what aic ihe items that 
were found, whethc 1 they have any infoi- 
malion with rcgaid Mi. Bakshish Singh, 
the police ofti.ei, whethci al any time 
Government had any i casons to suspect 
that he was involved in smuggling and other 
anli-social activities, whethei any Minister 
visited the Shahdara aiea fiom that dale till 
today and if so, whal did lie see and if not, 
the reasons ihcrcfoi. 

Now I would put a question to you. Sir. 
Would you be good enough to allow' a 
full-fledged question undei rule IS 4 so that 
we may undei stand the whole thing 0 

SHRl K C. PANT * My hon friend has 
referi ed to the action of the police in gene- 
tai; he has also referred to the Indian 
Express editor tal l did not know that he 
was such a eaieful reader of the Indian 
Express Heie is an incident which is 
localised and m which a judicial inquiry 
has been instituted. I do not think any 
general sweeping remarks about the police 
are warranted from the facts that are before 
us on this incident, and whatever is the 


truth, whatever are the facts, they will come 
out m the judicial inquiry. I would, there- 
fore, ask him to receive his judgment till 
the judicial inquiry has given its findings. 

About police having prevented people 
from going to hospitals, nobody has brought 
this to my notice so far. As I said, many 
of our hon. friends were theie. In fact, 
one of the members of this House told me 
that *hcre was one incident in his presence 
where a lady was brought out and imme- 
diately the police offered. . .( Interruptions). 
T cannot say ‘yes' or ‘no’ to this. If you 
went there and saw it with your own eyes, 
I will nat in ally accept what you say, but if 
it is hearsay, you would want me to make 
an inquiiy. . 

SHRl JYOT1RMOY BOSU * Those who 
had suffered al the hands of ihe police told 
us. 

SHRl K. C. PANT - I am teJIingyou 
what' a membei of this House told me. 
He said that the police immediately offered 
to lake hei to the hospital and get her ad- 
mitted I do know of a couple of other 
instances also where admissions have been 
given in the hospital. I cannot gi\e the 
number, how many were admitted in the 
Shahdaia hospital and how many outside 
on the 19th or on the 21st. As I have said, 
nobody brought it to my notice if there was 
any pioblem in this regard, if anybody was 
deliberately prevented . .( Interruptions ) 

SHRT JYOT1RMOY BOSU ■ He is not 
giving any relevant information. This is 
elementary infoimalion. 

SHRl C. PANT : He asked about the 
number of persons arrested. The number 
of persons ariested is 126 for specific offenc- 
es, and under preventive procedure 58. 
Some of the persons are what go by the 
name of ‘bad characters’ in the police re- 
cords, and so far as other persons are con- 
cerned, some have already been released, 
as I have mentioned in the beginning 



47 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 23 ,1 972 


Oral Answers 48 


SHRI JYOTIRMOY $OSU : How many 
complaints have been lfteived? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : f do not know how 
many complaints were received and by 
whom. But I do know that the number of 
cases registered is 20. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : People 
came out and said, “My ear-ring has been 
snatched away, my wrist-watch has been 
snatched away ' . . . 

SHRI K. C. PANT : J do not know if 
anybody has complained to the police 
station. Whatever information has been 
given to me dirccdy by the mcmbcis, 1 
have told you. So, this eovcis many ques- 
tions. I do not know how many questions 
you are allowing fo? a Member 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU . You had 
said in your wisdom the other day, ‘I shall 
be liberal' Is it not a fact that 1 1 bags of 
sugar 100 wrist watches and a bag of 
cashewnuts were discovered from the house 
of Inspector, Bakshi Singh ? This man was 
indulging m smuggling activities. You 
allowed this question He has no right to 
sit down. Sir*’ . .(Interruptions) About 
Inspector, Bakshi Singh, 1 want to know. 
He is withholding the information 

SHRI K. C. PANT Whether lus premis- 
es were searched or not, 1 do not know’, but 
his house was half burnt by the mob on one 
of the days. I do not know wheihci it was 
searched, but I do know that it was attempt- 
ed to be burnt down and perhaps 50 \ 
burnt down. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU He is 
witholding the infoimatior. 

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : 1 am not 
in the least bit anxious to obtain a ceitifi- 
cate from the Minister. But, nevertheless, 
to put the record straight, I did happen to 
be on the scene, that is Lorn Road and 
Batbir Nagar m the early afternoon of the 
21st. You may recall that at about 4 30, 


when I came back, I came straight to your 
chamber and gave you a report of what I 
had seen. 

MR. SPFAKER : That is correct. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I am not 
claiming any credit foi this. As it happen- 
ed, 1 along with some other Members of 
my Party from Delhi, was an eye-witness 
to what was going on in l.oni Road, that 
day 1 do not know exactly w'hat had 
happened on the two previous days. I have 
no eye-witness account But I am quite 
sure of one thing, that on the afternoon of 
the 21st, on I oni Road, on both sides of 
ihc road and in Balbir Nagar, there was 
nothing going on except what the Police 
call, a mopping up operation We are 
accustomed to seeing it in Calcutta for the 
last several years. We know what it means. 
Houses and shops on both sides along the 
load aie broken into, everybody is dragged 
out, beaten meicilessly, kept squatting on 
the roadise until the Police van arrives. 
Many of these 1 tell you they were just 
weeping, they were in lears They were 
ricksha walas, milkmen and gowalas and 
some aie children. The woikmen of some 
factories, of some rolling mill in Lorn Road, 
were just dragged out and beaten up and 
kept squatting on the road till the Police 
van arrived 

What I want to know is this. If I 
may give you one example, for example, 
there was an accident case. There was a 
man who had his leg in plaster for several 
weeks before His name is Jawaharlal 
Mittal. He is a shop-keeper. I met him. 
His address is 1439A/46, Balbir Nagar. 
He could not walk because his whole leg 
is in plaster. Even that man was beaten, 
dragged out and arrested. Then, one Mrs. 
Anthony and Mrs. Parveen Bala, these 
tvvo women, weie beaten up. 

One of the terms, as I understood it 
from his original statement, of the judicial 



Oral Answers 


BHADRA1, \m(SAKA) 


Oral Answers 50 


inquiry is the allegations of excesses by 
the Police. Now, what I would like to 
know is that if this type of people whom 
I encountered, saw and talked to on the 
21st afternoon and who are probably the 
most likely victims of excesses by the 
Police, were arrested and kept in custody, 
then how will any evidence be coming be- 
fore this judicial inquiry on excesses 9 
The very people who had been the tar- 
gets of police exccs.es and victims of these 
excesses, a laigc number of them, have 
been indiscriminately rounded up and held 
under the Pievcntivc Detention laws — 
how aie they going to give evidence about 
excesses unless they are ieleased 9 That 
is what 1 would like lo know. An at- 
tempt to teuorisc people into not giving 
evidence was veiy much evident thcie on 
the 21st. I would like to know from him 
whethci in the interests ot an impartial 
inquiry which he claims is going lo be 
held, he will at least see that all these 
innocent type of people who are being in- 
discriminately lounded up and who aie m 
the best position to give evidence about 
these allegations of excess, will be set at 
liberty so that they can freely give evi- 
dence. Otheiwise, this inquiiy will be all 
farce 

SHRI KC. PANT. My hon Iriend 
did not take the trouble of letting me 
know that he had been theie on the 2 1st 

SHRI 1NDRAII [ UUPT \ Why should 
I? It is for your Ministry to read the 
papers and give the information. 

SHRI K.C. PANT: Otherwise, if he 
had shown me the courtesy which friends 
on my side showed me, 1 would have cei- 
tainly mentioned his name. It is no 

question of certificate (Inlet ruptiom ) 

I would have gladly done so. 

His main question is with regard to the 
people held under the Preventive meas- 
ures of Law and whether they are innocent 


or not or whether they will be set at liberty 
or not. As for as my information goes, the 
people who were arrested under the Pre- 
ventive measures, these 58 persons, are 
what are known as bad characters. The 
others are under specific charges and for 
specific offences and as I mentioned in 
my first reply, the LG is going into it 
Already some releases have been made. It 
is neither our intention nor the intention 
of the LG nor the intention of the admi-< 
mstration certainly that anybody who may 
he innocent or who might have been 
rounded up because he happened to be 
there, should be kept in prison. I have 
already sauj that. That is going on speedi- 
ly. 

SHR1M \TJ SHEILA KAUL: I want to 
know from the hon. Minister whether one 
Sheila Devi, a Dai , and Shanti Devi are 
still in the hospital, when the Opposition 
Membcjs have said that no person was ad- 
mitted into the hospital, and there was a 
rumour that Sheila Devi had died, but 
when 1 went to convey my condolences, 
she was alive. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE: Who said 
that 9 

SMRI K C. PANT I mentioned that 
some persons arc in the hospital. It is 
in my knowledge and I did hear this 
ru moii i at one stage and I have also 
checked it up, and I am glad to report that 
she is alive. In fact there have been 
many occasions when things tended to 
become peaceful and some rumour or the 
other had been started and this was res- 
ponsible for recyrrence of many of the 
incidents. I would appeal to the people 
of that area to beware of rutnour-monger- 
mg of this kind which is indulged in by 
persons who are interested in seeing that 
the strife is kept up. 

SHRI SEZH1VAN: Till the 21st and 
22nd August, right from the time of shoot- 
ing of Onkar Singh on the 18th, first reports 



51 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Oral Answers 52 


m the Press gave out that the police offi- 
cials were in search and also in pursuit of 
a dacoit, and when he was strying to es- 
cape, the deceased Onkar Singh was re- 
ported to have been shot dead. I want 
to know from the hon. Minister whether 
the Police Officials had the opportunity to 
settle their personal disputes by resorting 
to such anti-dacoit operations and, if so, 
what steps the Government is thinking of 
to stop all such misuse of powers bv the 
Police in the name of anti-dacoit opeia- 
tions? 

SHRI K. C. PANT: As fai as l am 
aware, the FIR that was filed said that 
these persons had fired on three persons m 
the Police Party and, therefoie, they had 
retaliated. The whole things, are being 
inquired into. I do not want to go into 
detail. Obviously, if anything wiong has 
been done, the guilty will be punished 

SHRI N. K. SANG HI* \Vhat happened 
in Shahdara is really lamentable and tlieic 
is no doubt that the Police had failed in 
its intelligence, in its strategy and lcadei- 
ship. Howevei, I would like to know 
from the Ministei if he would infoim the 
House as to whether any curfew was im- 
posed on the 19th, 20th and 21st. 

If so, for how many hours the curfew 
was imposed 9 If no curfew was imposed 
to deal with such a seiious situation, why 
was it not imposed? The situation was to 
very bad and such a serious thing had 
happened, and so why was it not imposed 
beforehand 9 Has he got any information 
that the deceased Onkar Singh is a distant 
relation of an erstwhile political leader of 
U.P.? 

SHRI K. C. PANT: About the second 
part, I have no information; so fai as the 
first pait is concerned, curfew was not im- 
posed either on the 19th or on the 20th 
or on the 21st. Sec. 144 was piomulgated 
on the 19th and these decisions lie with 
local officers on the spot. It is very diffi- 
cult for me to substitute my own judgment 


in the matter. But since he has asked 
me a question the only reason that I can 
think of for not imposing the curfew is 
that even Sec. 144 was not being obeyed. 
There was an assembly of persons in large 
numbers; mobs had collected; rioting was 
going on; heavy stone-throwing was going 
on; jeeps were burnt; some vehicles were 
burnt, traffic was suspended on the G.T. 
road, rail link was suspended; sleepers were 
1,1,1 nt; all these things took place during 
that penod The imposition of curfew 
would have meant the use of additional 
foice and a more seiious situation could 
have arisen where firing would have had 
to be resorted to and so on. 

Sir, I don’t want to be misunderstood. 

I am not interested in ‘white-washing’ any- 
thing, I am not holding a brief for the 
police in this matter. The D.C. and the 
DI(i were present and then mam con- 
side, ation Ihioughont had been that this 
whole mattei should be dealt with, with 
as much restraint as possible. 

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Oral Answers 54 


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AUGUST 23, 1972 


Oral Answers 56 


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Why are you escaping your icsponsi- 
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Whenever it comes to a Minister, our 
observations are not allowed and when 
any hon. Member, rises on a point of 
ordei, there is no observation from the 
Chair. 

MR SPhAKF.R: Let him kindly listen 
to me. I had asked the hon. Minister to 
get up and explain. But meanwhile the 
hon. Member had got up 

SHRl SHYAMNADAN M1SHRA : 
What explanation was he giving? The 
observation was to be made by you on the 

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$7 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAX A) 


Oral Ansn ers 58 


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MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing this 
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all. 



59 Om/ Answers 1 


AVGUST 25, 1972 


Gr$l Answers 60 


SHRI SEZH1YAN :\l am not able to 
follow what is going on. Shri Shyamnan- 
dan Mishra had used some word and you 
had said that it was unparliamentary. 
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BHADRA l, 1894 (S^iT^) 


Oral Answers 62 


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SHRl SURENDRA MOHANTY : Be- 
fore I put my questions, t want to record 
my utter disappointment and distress at the 
ruling party’s conduct m distracting public 
opinion from the medieval barbarities com- 
mitted (Intel ruptions). They have imported 
diversionary tactics to draw attention away 
from these medieval barbarities. They must 
be ashamed of it 

In this background, I will ask two ques- 
tions (a) Whether the police force went on 
the rampage without the guidance of res- 
ponsible senior police officers ? If so, 
what was the total strength of policemen 
and the police officers? (b) Whether Govern- 
ment have got crowd control guidelines for 
the police? If so, will the Minister lay a copy 
of it on the Tabic? 

SHRl K C PANT : l am disappmted 
at my hon friend's thinking that there ate 
anv diversionary lucucs on the part of 
Government I would lemind him that we 
came befoie the Mouse with a suo moto 
statement saying that wc would institute 
a judicial inquiry into the incident, with- 
out anv kind of demand arising or request 
Having been made that this course should 
be followed. So it is very unfair on the 



AUGUST 23, J972 


Oral Answers 64 


63 Oral Antwerp 

part of my hon. frieittf to say that we have 
been indulging in 'diversionary tactics. 

SHRI SURENDJRA MOHANTV 1 
said on the floor of the House. 

SHRI K. C, PANT : The statement was 
made suo moto on the floor of the House. 

So Far as the police being there with senior 
police officers is concerned, i indicated that 
most of the time— as far as I know— the 
DIG himself was there, a number of SPs 
were there and DSPs were there Theie was 
no question of the police force being let 
loose without senior police officers being 
there. 

As for guidelines. I do not know what 
guidelines he means. Oidinanly, it is ex- 
pected that police officials Will deal with 
situations with restraint, and whorevei such 
situations arise, they should deal with 
them with as much restraint as possible 
But it will help m maintaining their res- 
traint if hon friends, who ve»> oiten rightly 
stress on the welfare aspect of police pei- 
sonnel etc. on this occasion also see that 
while excesses may be committed b> a few 
policemen which we all condemn, there ate 
several others who are only acting becau e 
they are ordered to do so and requned 10 
do so m a situation where law and order 
is broken, where innocent people will suffer 
if the police does not act. So in that situa- 
tion, if the police act and many of them get 
injured, on human considerations a few 
words from hon. friends opposite of sym- 
pathy for the policemen who have also 
been injured will help in creating the kind 
of morale which will help them to maintain 
restraint. 

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SHRI D1NESH CHANDRA GOSWAMf: 
In regard to these enquiries, it has been 
our experience that the police is represented 
by official counsels, but there is nobody to 
represent the public, and as a result the pub- 
lic version docs not come out truly. In 
view' of this aspect, will the Government 
consider the question of engaging a coun- 
sel to represent the version of the public in 
this enquiry ? 

SHRI K C PANT : I cannot say off- 
hand, and 1 cannot, at this stage, reveal 
what some hon friends told me m private 
and it would not be fair on my part; I be- 
lieve that some people arc applying then 
mind to this problem. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA 
As the House knows, a large number of 
complaints ha\e been vo’ced from time to 
time against the Delhi Police Perhaps in 
no place so many complaints against the 
local police have been voiced as in 1 he case 
of the Delhi Police The Police Commission 
had made a recommendation for a thorough 
oveihaul of the police administration here. 
What does the Government propose to do 
in this regard 7 That is one question to which 
I would like to gel an answer. 

Connected with this, so many stories have 
appeared in the newspapers, We have also 
seen some of the pictures of the most horri- 
fying type appearing in the newspapers, 
pictures of women and children falling flat 
on their faces because of the heinous atroci- 
ties perpetrated upon them by the police. 
Would the hon. Minister tell us how many 
women and children happen to be in jail at 
the present moment, and how many of them 
happen to be injured very badly? 



05 Oral Answm 


BHA 0 RA 1 , 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral A/mm 06 


Since the hon. Minister was pleased to 
say, three officers have been shifted, trans- 
ferred, to assist the course of justice, would 
he also take us into confidence and say 
whether, in view of the fact that many seri- 
ous allegations against other officers also 
were made, those officers would also be 
transferred from the places which they are 
occupying at the present moment? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I would again like 
to make it perfectly clear that these officers 
have not been shifted because of any allega- 
tion against them. The Lt -Governor, tak- 
ing a total view of the situation, in consulta- 
tion with us, thought that it would be better 
to transfer them. Since emotions were rais- 
ed, we did not want to deal with the 
situation m a wooden manner, and we 
thought it would be better in those cases — 
it is not a precedent — to do this. Many 
of our hon friends on this side of the 
House who have been there suggested this 
course It is the totality of circumstances, 
neither allegation nor pressure which has 
led us to the conclusion that it would be 
desirable for these people to be transferred. 
There is no question of allegation 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA ; 
Have mnocencnt persons been transferred, 
who had nothing to do — {Inten upturns) ? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : It is impossible to 
carry on a dialogue [ have understood 
his question. There is no question of any 
penal a- tion being involved in the transfer 
1 would like to make it perfectly clear I 
cannot prejudge their innocence or guilt. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
On what basis? 

SHRI K.C. PANT : I have said it. I can 
only explain. I cannot make you under- 
stand. 

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SHRI K. C. PANT : Sir, so far as the 
main point is concerned, about the recom- 
mendations of the Police Commission" and 
the action taken by the Government, I may 
say that this matter has been discussed in 
the House also. Questions have been asked 
and answers given, but on this occasion, 
since a specific question has been pul, if you 
will bear with me, I would like to mention 
the various measures that have been taken. 
The Khosla Commission was appointed in 
1966, and I think in 1968 it gave a report. 
Its terms of reference covered the measures 
necessary to promote efficiency and welfare 
of the police. 

The strength of the police has been in- 
creased as a result of the Commission's 
recommendations. Rules of recruitment 
and promotion are being revised. The 
field of recruitment has been extended. A 
senior psychologist has been appointed to 
test the suitability of the recruits in the 
context of the present-day requirements of 
the police force. A Police training school 
has been set tip, and institutional and prac- 
tical training recommended by the Com- 
mission to leorient the outlook of the police 
force to meet the requirements of the demo- 
cratic set-up is being imparted in the school. 

In-scrvice educational training is also 
given in the school. As a long-term mea- 
sure, the Government have set up fit com- 
mittee on police training with Professor 
M. S. Goray as Chairman of the Committee 
which is examining the objectives which 
should govern the police training, the pre- 
sent short-comings and measures to improve 
the existing slate of affairs. The Committee 
will examine the question of the police train- 
ing in the socio-economic background of 
the country and our system and the conti- 
nued impact of science and technology. 



AUGUST 23, Wi 


Oral Answers <88 


87 Ortitl Answer^ 


cultural, social and % ttorms of behaviour 
and help the methodology of the Govern- 
ment and its functionaries. 

In addition to that f a substantial addition 
has hpen made to the vehicles and equip- 
ment of Delhi Police* Then, a police con- 
trol room has been set up and the crime 
branch has peen strengthened. I am only 
mentioning some of the measures. Various 
steps have been taken to improve the wel- 
fare and of the personnel of the Delhi 
Police m accordance with the advice of the 
Commission. There is an upward revision 
in the total emoluments m regard to the 
staff of the Delhi Police and the higher 
special pay and allowances. The construc- 
tion of the building of the police barracks 
is being taken up as a crash programme. 
They have been included in the Central 
Government Health Scheme. Cantecn-cww- 
recreation rooms have been provided in all 
police statations, and it is sought to provide 
playground and family welfare centres and 
so on. I can give a long list. ( Interruption ). 
This is a specific question that has been put 
to me, and 1 am giving the answer 

SHR1 SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA • 1 
wanted to know the number of women and 
children who lay mujured at the mnmcni 
and who arc behind the prison bar* 

SHRI K C PANT : For that, 1 will re- 
quire notice. 

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Sir, the people 
of Delhi are shocked and ashamed at the 
ugly incidents which have occurred at 
Shahdara and the action taken by the police. 
It is a matter of regret that soft-toning of 
the party is sought to be brought into the 
matter and the other technical matters are 
brought into the whole issue The whole 
issue is diverted Thousands of people of 
Shahdara are looking to us as to how we 
are going to tackle the problem; they are 
suffering through the happenings just a few 
days before. 

[ want to know from the hon. Minister 
the principal nature of the wounds of the 
police officials as well as those of the public 
How many of them are still in hospital. 
Secondly, L want to know whether a senior 
officer would be deputed to see that no 
persons other than sextrcnic criminals are 
kept inside the jail, so that, as my friend 
Shn Indrajit Gupta, said, the evidence of 
the persons can be taken, and so that the 
enquiry can be expedited. Thirdly, I want 
to know why the Central Minister delay- 
ed so much the visit, in relation 
to the incidents in Shahdara, visiting, 
etc , especially when the whole incident 
happened undei the very nose of the Delhi 
Administration. 

SHRI K C PANT . Sir, 1 cannot possibly 
be expected to know the exact nature of the 
wounds on the 287 persons. They are a 
large number. For this, I certainly would 
require notice, if at all it is necessary to 
have this information. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I only want to 
know the nature of the atrocities committed 
by the police. I do not want to know the 
details — each and every person. 

SHRI K C. PANT : All this will come 
under the enquiry. As far as the second 
question is concerned, he has answered it 
hmiself I said, m response to Shri Bhagat 
and Shri Indrajit Gupta that innocent per- 
sons will be released. 



Owl Answers 


BHADftA* 1, 1SI94 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 10 


69 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA ; Whether one 
senior officer will be deputed to supervise 
the issue of release so that nobody is debar- 
red from appearing before the Inquiry? 

SHRI K. C. PANT : I do not know 
what he means by “senior officer”. As I 
said, the I..G. was looking into the matter. 

I have forgotten his third question 

MR. SPEAKER There was no third 
question. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA . Why the Central 
Minister delayed so much to visit the place. 

MR. SPEAKER : Yes. 

SHRI K. C PANT : He was so brief 
that 1 forgot it. 

MR. SPFAKER : 1 am myself surprised. 

SHRI K. C PANT : This has to be judg- 
ed m the context of what would be useful 
or not. Wc were certainly in touch with 
the situation. Wc wuc doing whatever we 
thought was necessary. If any one of us 
felt that the visit would have helped, wc 
would have certainly viMted the place 

MR SPEAKER : Now, enough time has 
been taken. 1 have allowed the Members 
belonging to all the parties to put supple- 
mentary. This is the iccord time, H hours 
I have allowed to a Question. I think, I 
committed a mistake; J should have allowed 
a Call Attention Notice. {Jnterruptums ) 

SOME HON. MEMBERS /w— 

MR. SPEAKFR : 1 am sorry. How can I 
accommodate all of you. We have already 
taken li hours on 11 . . .{Interruptions) I 
have to pass on from this side to that side. 
They are more than tw'ice on that side. . 
{Interruptions) I stick to time, I go by the 
allocation of time for everything. , . .( Inter- 
ruptions ). 

- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE Hatf an hour 
was lost on that word. 


MR. SPEAKER : that wbrd or' the 
English equivalent that 1 was wad Will hot 
form part of the record. 

. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : A pef^m. who 
knows Urdu language will never use such a 
word. 

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AUGUST 23, 1972 


Ora i Answers 72 


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73 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 74 


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SHR I MADHURYYA HALDAR : Some 
members of this House have been complain- 
ing that ihey have heard at Shahdara from 
the people of that area that police had 
snatched away their radios, wrist watches, 
necklaces, ear-rings, etc. May 1 know 
whether Government have carried out any 
search into the houses of those policemen 
on duty at that place and whether they have 
found any articles as reported to have been 
stolen by the police, and if not, whether he 
will order an immediate search into the 
houses of the policemen who were on duty 
on those days at Shahdara? 

SHR1 K. C. PANT : As far as 1 know, no 
specific complaint against any policeman has 
been made. J enquired yesterday; I did not 
come across any specific complaint against 
any specific policeman. On what basis 
does one institute a search or an enquiry 
of this kind? I have not quite understood the 
purpose of the question. You cannot go on 
searching the house of every policeman. This 
is difficult. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI : Only 
innocent people became victims. Three peo- 
ple were killed on account of police firing. 


Naturally the Government must be held 
responsible for that. I would ask the 
Government whether it would come forward 
to give a substantial amount as compensation 
to the families of the deceased potions. 

SHRI K. C. PANT ; Innocent people do 
suffer in police firing, whether it is Delhi or 
Tamil Nadu. It is a fact. But, in this casc» 
luckily, there was no police firing. 

SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ; Our horn 
Minister referred to Tamil Nadu, that firing 
look place m Tamil Nadu. But we gave 
compensation to the families of 15 deceased 
people. I want to know whether Govecnr 
ment would follow the same principle. 

MR. SPEAKER : Do not ask hypothetical 
questions. 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- 
DER : I visited that place. I want to put two 
questions. The first is whether Shrimati 
Shiela Devi was beaten by CRP men while 
she was trying to save her husband; it is 
understood that CRP men entered her room 
breaking the doors and windows and snatch- 
ed away her necklace and ear-rings; Shri- 
mati Shiela Dovi was admitted to the Daya- 
nand Hospital with severe head injuries. 
And is it also a fact that, due to serious beat- 
ing by CRP men, she has lost her speaking 
power? # 

The other question that I want to ask is 
whether one bag of cashewnut, six bags of 
sugar, six fans, five transistor sets and two 
radio sets were recovered from the house of 
the ASI, Shri Bhakshish Singh, and whether 

all these were smuggled goods. 

» 

i 

SHRI K. C. PANT : So far as the first 
question goes, 1 find myself in some diffi- 
culty. If J give an answer according to the 
information with me, it would be a factua 
answer, but it may not be to the liking o 
my hon. friend. And in view of the judi 
cial inquiry, 1 would seek your guidance, 
Sir whether 1 should answer these questions 



75 Oral Answers JAUCrUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 76 


He is asking me pointedly whether fhe CRP 
men, 

MR. SPEAKER . Vbu can give the factual 
information. 

SHRI K. C. PANT : 1 had made enquiries 
yesterday. According to the information 
with me, the CRP men did not beat up the 
lady whom he referred, the CRP men did 
not go into her house. This is the information 
with me 

So far as any recovery being made from 
that house is concerned, a question was put 
earlier also; I am not aware of this fact. 

MR. SPEAKER : The Short Notice 
Question is over now. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; Are you 
allowing a short discussion. Sir ? 1 have 
shown you the letter written by the Prime 
Minister. They have no objection to hold- 
ing a debate on this 

MR. SPEAKER ■ I am not bound by that . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am not 
saying (hat,4>ir. 

MR. SPEAKER : This Short Notice Ques- 
tion was rather unprecedented. Normal! t l 
would not have allowed more than ten 
minutes for a Short Notice Question We 
have taken moie than H hours It would 
have been much better if I had accepted a 
short-duration-discussion. The time that 
we have taken now has been more than that 
Four call-attention motions could have been 
accommodated during this period I must 
say that I commend the patience of the hon 
Minister 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A lot re- 
mains to be said. . . 

MR. SPEAKER : Nothing will form part 
of the record. Every time you get up and 
start speaking. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : * 

•Not Recorded. 


MR. SPEAKER: I have heard Ih at the 
gentlemen who are on duty at the martyrs* 
flame keep standing attention only for two 
hours and then they return for 24 hours. 
But here we not only keep standing atten- 
tion but also under tension. You do not have 
any sympathy for us — Speaker and others! 

WRITTEN ANSWER TO QUESTIONS 

Projects set Up In Orissa during 
Fourth Plan 

*321. SHRI G1RIDHAR GOMANGO : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING he plea 
sed to state 

(a) whether the projects set up in Orissa 
during the Fouth Plan period have not 
been completed and aie not likely to be 
completed, 

(b) if so, the nanus of the projects not 
completed and the new projects likely to 
be taken up in the Fifth Five Yeai Plan; 
and 

(c) whether Oussa did not get proper 
justice foi development in the Fourth Fi\e 
Ytai Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATF IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PI ANN1NG (SHRI MO- 
HAN DHARIA) (a) and (b). The infor- 
mation regarding Fourth Plan projects 
not yet completed and not likely to be 
completed during the Plan period is avail- 
able with the State Government which 
have been requested to furnish the same. 
After such information is received fiom 
the State Government, it will be laid on 
the Table of the House. As regaids Fifth 
Five Ytar Plan, the Planning Commission 
has yet to take a view in Consultation with 
the appropriate authoi ilics on the Approach 
to the Fifth Plan, the total resource which 
is likely to be available for financing the 
Plan and other related matters. It is 
too early to indicate which projects arc 
likely to be taken up in the Fifth Five Year 
Plan 

(c) In allocating Central assistance to 
Orissa for the State's Fourth Plan, due 



5 77 


Orel Answers 


BHADRA1, im(SAKA) 


Written Answers 78 


consideration was given to the special 
problems add relative economic backward- 
ness of Orissa. It cannot therefor be said 
that Orissa did not receive a just treatment 
in the Foutrh Five Year Plan. 

Demonstration Plant for Sterilising 
Medical Products being set up 
at Trombay 

*323. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKO- 
DKAR . Will the Minister of ATOMIC 
ENERGY be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarrcd Question No. 559 on 
2nd August, 1972, regarding Plant for 
Sterilising Medical Products through Irra- 
diation and state whether this Plant was 
set up with assistance of United Nations 
Development Programme t} 

THE PRIME MINISTER, M1N1STLR 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI 
INDIRA GANDHI) : Yes, Sir A demons- 
tration plant for madution sterilisation 
of medical products is being set up at 
Tiombay with the assistance of the United 
Nations Development Programme 

Entry of Foreigners in Assam 

*325. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR Will 
the Ministei of HOME AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Ministry has issued any 
order saymg that the arrival or presence 
of any foreigner in Assam has to be reported 
to the police; 

(b) if so, the main points of the order 
issued; and 

(c) the number of persons so far regis- 
tered in this regard ? 

THE- MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K. C. PANT) : (a) Yes, Sir; the Order 


applies not only to the State of Assam but. > 
to the entire eountry. 

(b) The Order requires every house* 
holder or other person to report tQ the 
nearest police station about the arrival 
and presence in his house-hold or in 
premises kept by him or under his control, 
of any froigner, if he knows or has reason 
to believe that he is a foreigner. 

(c) The information is being collected 
from the Government of Assam and will 
be laid on the Table of the House. 

Commission for suggesting location 
for Industrial Units 

*326 KUMARI KAMLA KUMAR1 : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) Whethei Government issue licences to 
Tatas, Birlas and Sahu-Jain for starting new 
in dustrial units and the location of Indus- 
trial Unit is decided by the licensees; 

(b) whether Government propossc to 
establish a Commission for ‘uggesting 
the location of new industrial units in such 
cases; and 

(c> if not, the reasons therefor : 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) to (c). The Government's 
policy in regard to location of industrial 
units licensed under the Industries (De- 
velopment & Regulation) Act, is common 
to all licenses. Applicants for industrial 
licences are required to give, in their appli- 
cations, the proposed location of their 
industrial undertakings. Uhless Govern- 
ment consider that a change in location 
is necessary, the location of the industrial 
undertakings is allowed as applied for v 
while issuing the letters of intent or licences. 
After a licence is issued indicating a specific 
location, changes can be made only if 



79 Written Answer# 


AUGUST 23,1972 


Written Answers 80 


ttio Government approVbs. In considering 
applications for such changes of location, 
the views of the State Governments con- 
cerned arc taken into account. 

The grant of industrial licences to Larger 
Industrial Houses including those mentioned 
by the Honourable Member is governed 
by the overall Industrial Licensing Policy. 
These Houses are expected to engage 
themselves primarily in the core and heavy 
investment sectors, leaving the opportu- 
nities in the other sectors to smaller entre- 
preneurs. The general policy in regard 
to the location of indutrial undertakings 
is itself adequate to cover the location of 
industries by Larger Industrial Houses 
also. There seems therefore, no need to 
establish a Commission for this purpose 
at this stage. 

Punishment to Newspaper Publishers for 
non-submission of Annual Statements under 
Press and Registration of Books Act, 1867 

*329. SHRI T. S. LAKSHMANAN : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state the 
nature of punishment awarded to 63 
newspaper publishers against whom prose- 
cution cases were instituted by the Regis- 
trar for the non-submission of Annual 
Statements in terms of Section 19K of the 
Press and Registration of Books Act, 1867 
and which have since been disposed of 
as mentioned at page 100 of the Annual 
Report of the Ministry for 1971-72 ? 

THE MINISTER OF 'STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI l K. GUJRAL) 
In 46 cases the publishers were fined, 
the fine amount varying from Rs. 10/- to 
Rs. 50/-. Three publishers were merely 
warned. The remaining 14 cases were 
fifed by the Court as the persons concerned 
were not traceable. 


Central Assistance to Khadi and Village 
Industries Commission. 

*330. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the total amount of financial assis- 
tance given to the Khadi and Village Indus- 
tries Commission by the Centre since its 
inception; 

(b) whether Government have reviewed 
the working of the Commission; and 

(c) if so, the results thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) The total amount of the 
financial assistance given to the Khadi 
and Village Industries Commission, Bombay 
since its inception by the Government of 
India is as under : 



Khadi 

Village 

(Rs. in 



Indust- 

crores) 



ries 

Total 

1. Grants 

149.39 

44.65 

194.04 

. Loans 

67 16 

30.68 

97.84 

Total : 

216.55 

75.33 

291.88 


(b) and (c). The working of the Com- 
mission! was last reviewed by the Asoka 
Mehta Committee. The recommenda- 
tions made by the Committee are under con- 
sideration of the Government. 

Names of first Thirty persons receiving maxi- 
mum Honorarium under 'Spot Light 9 and 
'Talk 9 programmes of A.I.R. 

*331. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 



81 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 92 


state the names of the first 30 persons to* 
gether with their professions who have re- 
ceived the maximum amount of honorarium, 
indicating the amount received by each 
one separately, for participation in the 
English Programmes ‘Spot Light' and ‘Talks' 
of the All India Radio during the last one 
year ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI I K.GUJRAL): 
Statements giving the names and pro- 
fessions of the first thirty persons who were 
paid the maximum amount of honoranum 
during 1971 for taking part in (1) “Spot 
Light” programme, and (2) “Talks” on All 
India Radio, aie laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library See No. 
LT3480/72] 

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Shifting of Salt Commissioner's Office from 
Jaipur to Gujarat 

*337. SHRI VEKARIA ; Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Gujarat Government and a 
number of Commerce Institutions of Guja- 
rat have demanded shifting of Salt Com- 
missioner’s office from Jaipur to Gujarat ; 
and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Central 
Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 

AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. 

SUBRAMANIAM) : (a) Requests 

for locating the Office of the Salt 

Commissioner at Ahmedabad and Kandla 

have been received in the past from the 
* 

Government of Gujarat and the Kandla 
Port Trust, respectively. 

(b) For the efficient discharge of the 
functions vesting in the Salt Commissioner, 
it is considered necessary that the Salt 
Commissioner's Office should be retained 
in a central Place like Jaipur. 



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AUGUST 23* 1972 


Written Answers 84 


Setting up of Industries in Backward Areas 

*338. SHRI B. V, NAIK : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred question No. 1485 on 
the 9th August, 1972 regarding the setting 
up of industries in backward areas and 
state : 

(a) the amount of capital invested so far 
in the industries set up tn the backward 
areas ; and 

(b) the amount of financial assistance pro- 
vided to them by the nationalised banks 
till now 7 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY(SHRI C. SUBRAMANI- 
AM): (a) : The total fixed capital invest- 
ment involved in the 62 units mentioned in 
the reply to the question under reference 
is Rs. 98,76,910/-. 

(b) The amount of capital so far inves- 
ted and the financial assistance obtained 
from the Nationalised Bank could not be 
determined at this stage 

Legislation to Prohibit Religious con- 
versions 

*339. SHRI P. M. MEHTA 

SHRI K LAKKAPPA 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some States have introduced 
legislation to prohibit religious conversion 
by force ; and 

(b) if so, how many States have passed 
such legislation and whether Union Govern- 
ment also propose to bring such a legis- 
lation ? 

THE M|NISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 


IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : 

(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) According to information available, 
laws have been enacted in the States of 
Madhya Pradesh and Orissa to provide for 
prohibition of conversion from one religion 
to another by the use of force or inducement 
or by fraudulent means. No such laws 
have been enacted m Himachal Pradesh, 
Mysore and Manipur information in 
respect of the remaining States is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the Table of the 
House. Central Government have no pro- 
posal to undertake legislation on the sub- 
ject 

Robbery Committed on Employees of 
Delhi Co-operative Bank Daryaganj, Delhi 
in June, 1972 

*340. SHRI HAR1 SINGH : Will the 
Minister of HOME Ab FAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government arc aware of 
the broad day robbery of Rs 20,000 commit- 
ted on three employees of the Daryaganj 
Branch, of the Delhi Cooperative Bank on 
12th June, 1972 in Civil Lines, Delhi ; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps Government are taking 
to arrest the culprits 9 

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF HOME 
AFFAIRS (SHRI K. C. PANT) : 
(a) Yes Sir. The amount involved was 
Rs. 20,100 /- and the three persons robbed 
were a cashier and two office bearers of the 
Delhi Joint Water and Sewage Board Cor- 
poration Thrift and Credit Society Ltd. 

(b) All efforts are being made to arrest 
the culprits. 



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BHADRA 1, 1894(5^) 


Written Answers 86 


taW and Small Scale Industries in 
Madhya Pradesh 

3180. SHRJ MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of INDUST- 
RIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the total number of large-scale and 
small scale industries established during 
the Fourth Five Year Plan in Madhya 
Pradesh : 

(b) the total number of persons employed 
m them, separately; and 

(c) the capital invested in both the sectors 
(Private and Public) during the last three 
years and the amount proposed to be in- 
vested, for the remaining period of the 
plan ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY 01- INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). In the Central Sector, 
Korba Aluminium project of the Bharat 
Aluminium Company Limited (in Bilaspur 
District), the Madhar project of the Cement 
Corporation of India Limited (in Raipur 
Distnct) and the Bailadila No 5 Project 
of the National Mineral and Development 
Corporation (in Bastai Distnct) have been 
set up so far in the State of Madhya Pradesh 
during the course of Fourth Five Yeai Plan 

In the Private Sector, the number of 
Industrial licences and Letters of Intent 
issued, during the last three years in respect 
of the State of Madhya Pradesh are as 
given below 


Year 

No. of 

No. of 

licences 

letters of 


issued 

intent is- 
sued 

1969 

3 

2 

1970 

2 

9 

1971 

20 

31 

1972 (upto 30*6-72) 

2 

18 


Information, however, is not available as 
to how many of these industrial units have 
actually been established or the number of 
persons employed in them. A provision 
of Rs. 150.5 crorcs has been included in the 
4th Plan for setting up/completion of Central 
Industrial Projects in Madhya Pradesh. De- 
tails regarding investment during the last 
3 years in industries set up in the private sec- 
tor (including both large scale and small 
scale industries) arc not available 

Grades of pay for teachers in Grih Kalyan 
Kendra 

3181. SHRI SHIV KUMAR SHASTR1 : 
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state ' 

(a) vshelhei there are no fixed grades of 
pay foi teachers (tailoring, embroidery and 
Music), in Grih Kalyan Kendra while there 
are fixed grades for leachers in the Depart- 
ment of Social Welfare, Directorate of 
t ducat ion where teachers have the same 
qualifications and the same working hours ; 
if so, the reasons thciefor, 

(b) whether the grant sanctioned for 
teachers is being diver f cd to other spheres 
or activities of GKK. re. Creches etc. ; 
if so. the reasons therefor ; 

(c) if mv, the amount sanctioned foi 
teacheis during the last two yeais and the 
amount spent during that penod ; and 

(d) whether a representation has been 
made m this regard through the President of 
India; if so, what action has been taken 
thereon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EIOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): 
(a) The teachers of Grih Kalyan Kendra 
which is a registered society are paid honora- 
■ num varying from Rs. 75/- io Rs. 252/- in 



87 Written AmwQs AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 88 


stead of salaries, depending on qualifica- 
tions/cxperience and hours of work varying 
from two to four hours. 

The teachers of the Department of Social 
Welfare and Directorate of Education are 
Government employees and as such receive 
all the facilities and pay and allowances as 
admissible to Government employees. 

(b) and (c). No Sir. A statement show- 
ing the budget estimates and amount sanc- 
tioned during 1970-71 and 1971-72 and the 
amount spent during that period is 
laid on the Table of the house, [placed 
in Library . See No . LT 3481/72] 

(d) No Sir. Representation from Prime 
Minister’s Secretariat has however been 
received which is under active considera- 
tion. 

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Cement Factory Bokajan, Assam 

3184. SHR1 ROBIN KAKOT1 : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the progress made so far in the propos- 
ed Bokajan Cement Factory m Assam ; 

(b) the total number of persons in all 
categories of sei vices appointed so far ; 
and 

(c) the names of agents and contractors 
appointed so far, for various works for 
supply of various kinds of raw materials, 
transport and construction works ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI S1DDHF.SHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) The progress on various 
works in the proposed Bokajan cement 
factory is as under 

(i) Plant structures and foundations — 
The works on various foundations 



89 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 


Written Answers 90 


And structures is in progress. Approxi- 
mately payment of Rs. 20.5 lakhs has 
been made. The physical progress 
achieved upto July, 1972 is approxi- 
mately 16%. In addition procure- 
ment of cement, steel and other con- 
struction materials has also been 
made for continuing the work. 

(ii) Township and ancillary buildings 
This work is divided into two phases. 
Approximately 90% progress has 
been achieved on phase 1 buildings 
which are required in the first instance. 
The financial progress ending July, 
1972 is approximately Rs. 21.0 lakhs. 

(iii) Other facilities : — The work of 

water supply, railway siding and 


sewage disposal etc. is well in pro- 
gress. 

(iv) Works at quarry : — The construe* 
tion of approach road and temporary 
accommodation is in progress. 

(b) The position is as under ; — 

(0 Total number of officers and staff 
posted at Bokajan— -71. 

(ii) Number of staff transferred from 
ofhei projects out of above 71 is 35. 

(ui) Number of staff recruited at 
Bokajan — 36. 

(iv) -Number of Assamese employed-30. 

(c) The names of contractors to whom 
works have been awarded at Bokajan so 
far are given below 


Name of work 

(i) Construction of godowns, camp 
office, field hostel etc. 

(ii) Internal elect nficat ion of above 
buildings 

(m) Township and ancillary buildings. 
<iv) Plant foundation and structuies. 


(\> Water supply treatment works. 


(vi) Earth work on quarry approach road 


(vii) Construction of culverts on quarry 
approach road. 

(viii) Laying water supply main from rive; 
kagna to factory site. 


Contractor 


M/s. Woodland Corporation P.O Khatkhoti 
Distt. Mikir Hills, Assam. 

M/s. Assam Electrical & Mechanical Agency 
Jorha\ Assam. 

Shri Sohan Smgh, Government Conti ac- 
toi, Dimapur, Nagaland. 

M ; s. Gannon Dunkerley & Co., Engineers 
& Contractor, 25 A, Netaji Subhas Road, 
P.B. No. 2392, Calcutta-1. 

M/s. Patterson Engineering Co. (India) Ltd., 
2S. Chittaranjan Avenue, (G.P.O. Box 
680) Calcutta- 12. 

(») M/s. ( Woodland Coiporation P.O. Khat- 
khoti, Disti Mikir Hills, Assam. 

(u) Shri R. Das Gupta, Railway Contrac- 
tor, Lumding P.O Assam. 

Shu D N. Singh, Contractor, Camp Boka- 
jan, Mikir Hills, Assam. 

M/s, K. Biswas, Government Contactor 
and Supplier, Dimapur, Nagaland. • 



AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers . 92 


91 Written Answers 

% 


A 

Lsl J 

(ix) Transportation of materials. 


(x) Internal electrification of township 
and o f her buildings. 

(xi) Removal of overburden at quarry 


3 

(i) M/s. Woodland Corporation P.O. 
Khatkhoti, Distt. Mikii Hills, Assam. 

(ii) M/s, Bhowmic Transport Corporation 
Govt. Contractor & Order Supplier, 
Tinsukia, Assam. 

M/s. Mahindra Chalia, Chalia Electrical 
Stores, golaghat, Assam. 

M/s. Pasari Bros., P.O. Duliajan, Distt. 
Lakhimpur, Assam. 


Change in the Administrative 
set up 

3186. SHRIS D. SOMASUNDARAM: 
Will the PRrME MINI STER be pleased 
state : 

(a) whether she had stated in the course 
of her convocation address at Roorkec 
in November 1967 that the brightest of 
our youngmen and women choose Engi- 
neering and Medicine and that, if they 
happen to go into Government they are 
very soon over-taken by the General Ad- 
ministrator and this must change, 

(b) if so, the specific steps taken by her 
since November, 1967 till today to change 
the situation; and 

(c) whether the dispart ies between 
Engineers and Doctors on the one hand 
and general administrators on the other 
has been reduced in any way during these 
years; if not, the steps being taken to narrow 
the gap ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL : (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) 

(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). The above obsenation 
of the Prime Minister was brought to the 
notice of the Administrative Reforms 
Commission which was then examining 
Personnel Administration in Government. 


The Administrative Reforms Commission 
in its Report on Personnel Administra- 
tion made some recommendations on 
entry into the middle and senior management 
levels, in the Central Secretariat, from 
all Services. These arc under conside- 
ration of Government. The Adminis- 
trative Reforms Commission abo sugges- 
ted a unified grading structure, providing 
equal pay for work of equal responsibility 
and difficulty. Government is awaiting 
the views of the Pay Commission on the 
subject. 

Proposal for T.V. Stations at Trivandrum 
and Cochin 

3188. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI Will 
the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state 

(a) whether there is any proposal to 
introduce Television Centres at Trivan- 
drum and Cochin , and 

(b) if so, the outlines thereof and the 
time by which it is expected to be intro- 
duced? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) (a) and (b). TV stations are 
proposed to be set up in various Centres 
of the country m accordance with a phased 
programme. The question of setting up 
a TV Station in Kerala will be considered 



93 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 94 


while formulating proposals for the Fifth 
Plan. 

Industries in Assam 

3189. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of small. Medium and 
Large Scale Industries in Assam, the items 
manufactured by them and the imported 
raw materials allotted rest actively to these 
industries during the last throe years; 

(b) the investments made by these in* 
dustries; 

(c) the number of persons employed 
in these industries; 

(d) total value of finished goods produ- 
ced by these industries during the last three 
years ; and 

(e) how many industries have their Head 
Offices within Assam State and the num- 
ber out Oi them which have head officers 
outside Assam 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) (a) to (c) : The information is being 
collected and will be placed on the Table 
of the House. 

Approval of foreign collaboration in Assam 
Industries 

3190. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI: Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state the names 
of private firms and public undertakings 
in Assam, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur, 
Tripura States and Union Territories of 
Mizoram and Arunachal, whose colla- 
boration with foreign firms have been 
approved during the last three years ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD) : 
Three proposals of collaboration between 
Indian and foreign parties, as detailed be- 
low, were approved during the last three 
years. The information is according 
to the addresses of the Indian parties as 
given in the approval letters. 


S. Name of 
No. the 

Indian 
Company 

Name of 
foreign col- 
laborator 

Item of 
manufacture 

1. M/s Assam 

M/s Maru- 

Menthanol, 

State Indus- 

beni Iida 

formaldehyde 

trial Corpo- 

Co. Ltd , 

glue, forma- 

ration, Shil- 

Japan. 

lin and U.F. 

long. 


moulding 

power. 

2. M/s Ashok 

M/sJOGEE Consultancy 

Paper Mills 

France. 

Service for 

Ltd., C/o 


manufacture 

Director of 


of Pulp and 

Industries, 


Paper/specia* 

Assam, 

Shillong. 


lity paper. 

3 Assam In- 

M/s. Schan- 

Schanzlin 

dusti lal Deve- 

• zlm Mec- 

Power tillers. 

lopment Cor- 

hmenabrik 


poration 

GmbH, 


Ltd., Shil- 

West 


long- 1. 

Germany. 



, Price of Industrial Raw Material 

319. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the prices of building mate- 
rials and industrial raw materials have been 
rising abnormally during the last three 
months; 



95 Written Answers y 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 96 


(b) if so, present level of prices of build' 
iqg 'materials and industrial raw materials, 
as compared to that in the last three years 
and the percentage of rise of prices during 
the last three months; 

(c) whether this percentage of rise of 
prices is higher in the North-Eastern States 
of Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya etc. than 
in the rest of India ; and 

(d) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD): (a) and (b). All India whole 
sale Price Index Numbeis of selected build- 
ing materials and of Industrial raw mater- 
ials during the last three months and in 
the last three years are laid on the Table 
of the House. [Placed in Library, See 
No. LT-3482/72] 

(c) and (d). These indices are complied 
on an all India basis and not region or 
state-wise. 

Applications for opening post offices, sub- 
post offices and public call installations in 
Assam 

3192. SHRI ROBIN KAKOT1 ■ Will 
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state : 

.(a) the number of applications pending 
with Government for opening (a) Post 
Offices in rural areas (b) Sub-Post Offices 
and (c) Public Call installations in Assam, 
District-wise : and 

< 

(b) the number of existing experimental 
Post Offices in Assam, District- wise 9 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA)- 
(a) Number of applications pending with 
Postmaster General, concerned for open- 
ing (a) branch post offices in rural areas 


(b) sub-post offices (c) Public Call Offices 
in Assam State, district-wise 


Name of 

District 

Branch 

post 

Offices 

Sub 

post 

Offices 

Public 

call 

offices 

Kamrup 

12 

3 

15 

Goal para 

6 

1 

3 

Darrang 

2 

1 

5 

Nowgong 

3 

Nil 

4 

Mikir Hills 

2 

n 

2 

North Cachar Hills Nil 

ij 


Cachar 

12 

Nil 

7 

Sibsagar 

4 

2 

6 

North Lakhimpur 

11 

Nil") 


Dibrugarh 

5 

Nil J 

10 


(b) Number of experimental Post Offices 
existing in Assam State, district-wise : — 


Name of District 

No. oF Experi- 
mental post 


offices 

Kami up 

173 

Goalpaia 

101 

Danang 

60 

Nowgong 

63 

Mikir Hills 

14 

North Cachar Hills 

6 

Cachar 

127 

Sibsagar 

146 

North Lakhimpui . 

63 

Dibrugaih 

55 

Grant of remission 

to prisoners 


3193. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : Will the 
Ministei of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to lefer to the reply given to Unstarred 
Question No. 1414 on the 9ih August, 
1972 regarding grant of remission to pri- 
soners on the occasion of 25th Anniversaty 
of Independence and state : 

(a) whether the cases of prisoners re- 
ferred to in Annexure II, have since been 
leviewed by the Revisioning Board of 
Delhi Administration and a final decision 
taken ; 



97. Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Writtek Answers 98 


(b) V so, the names of such prisoners 
recommended for release and the proposed 
date for release; and 

(c) if not, the reasons for delay ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS; 
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) The meeting of the Reviewing Board 
was initially scheduled to be held on 21st 
August, 1972 , but, was postponed due to 
some administrative reasons. 

Closure of Foundries in West Bengal 

3194. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHA- 
RYYA : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Goveinment 
has been drawn to statemen t given by the 
President of Indian Foundaries Associa- 
tion regarding the critical situation faced 
by the foundaries of West Bengal as pub- 
lished in the Satyajug (Bengali), Calcutta 
dated the 1st June, 1972; 

(b) whether a large number of foundaries 
have already been closed and some are on 
the point of closure; and 

(c) if so, the steps Government propose 
to take to remedy the situation 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): 

(a) to (c). The information is being col- 
lected and will be laid on the table of the 
Sabha. 

Location of New I.T.I. units 

3195. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATION > 
be pleased to state : 

.(a) whether the Ministry has formed 
a Committee under the Chairmanship of 
Mr. M.S. Pathak, Member, Planning Com- 
41 LSS/72*— 5 


mission, to study the desirability of star- 
ting new I.T.I. Units and their location; 

(b) if so, whether the Committee has 
submitted its report to Government; and 

(c) whether the Committee has oonsi- 
dered the lequest of Kerala to locate one 
of the Units in that State ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- 
CATIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) and (b). The Committee set up under 
the Chairmanship of Shri M.S. Pathak 
Member, Planning Commission, is re- 
quired to examine the demand and supply 
of telecommunication equipment in the 
country and suggest ways and means to 
overcome the deficiencies and recommend 
a perspective plan for expanding telecom- 
munication equipment manufacturing capa- 
city in the country. It has not yet sub- 
mitted its report to Government. 

(c) No. This matter is not within the 
terms of refeience of the Committee. 

Precision Instrument Project in Palghat 

3196. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: 

SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- 
KAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Government of India 
have taken a final decision about locating 
i he Precision Instiument Project in Pal- 
ghat; 

(b) if so, whether the Government have 
takeA any steps to commence production 
early; and • 

(c) what is the production pattern en- 
visaged for the Palghat Plant? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) * (a) Yes, Sir. 



99 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 100 


(b) Instrumentation Limited, a public 
sector company, has been asked to take 
expeditious action to set up the project. 
The Company are at present engaged in 
updating the Detailed Project Report. 
Further, a team of Officers of the Company 
visited Palghat and finalised the site for the 
location of the Project. The Company 
have already assigned some key peson- 
nel to the Project. 

(c) Manufacture of Control Valves and 
allied item is proposed here in the fust 
instance. 

Plan outlay for Andhra Pradesh 

3197. SHRI B.N. REDDY : Will the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state the total and year- wise outlay ol 
Andhra Pradesh State during the Fourth 
Plan and Central Government’s aid oul 
of it ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA): 

Outlay, expenditure and Central assis- 
tance for the Fourth Plan of Andhra 
Pradesh. 

(Rs. ci ores) 

Outlay Ccuual 
assis- 
tance 

Fourth Plan approved 


outlay 

420 50 

240.00 


Expen- 

diture 

Disburse- 

ments 

1969-70 . 

76 13 

41 49 

1970-71 . 

82.57 

43.56 

-1971-72 (anticipated) 

104.79 

47 82 

Jf' 972-73 (approved) 
Postman 

ing fa) bran 

105.00 46.56 

(allocation) 


Sheikh Abdullah's letter to P.M. after 
Summit Agreement 

3198. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH: 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Sheikh Abdullah sent a 
leuer to the Prime Minister after the recent 
Summit Agreement between India and 
Pakistan; 

(b) if so, the contents thereof, and 

(c) the reaction of Government thereto? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER OF 
ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATJ 
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c) : Political leaders write to 
the Prime Minister on various subjects 
in confidence It is not the normal prac- 
tice to disclose the contents of such letters. 


Laboratory Investigation by Central Fuel 
Research Institute 

3199 SHRI VEKARIA : Will the 
Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Fuel Rcseaich 
Institute has completed the laboratory 
investigation on the properties of the 
Lignite samples mined from the KulCh 
District; 

(b) if so, the icsults achieved; and 

(c) whether the report has been submu- 
ted to the Government ? 



101 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 102 


THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRA- 
MANIAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Investigations on Kutch lignite show 
its potentiality of utilisation for domestic 
fuel, power generation and fertilizer. 

(c) A summarised Note on properties 
of the lignite and progress of investiga- 
tion has already been submitted to Gujarat 
Mineral Development Corporation (GMDC) 
by the Central Fuel Research Institute 
(CFRI), Jealgora m August, 1971. 
GMDC desired that the Institute should 
submit a feasibility report for domestic 
fuel followed by similar rcpoits for power 
gcneraltion and fertiliser. First Report 
is getting ready and the same is expected 
to be submitted soon. 

Variation in Prices of T.V. Sets of different 
makes 

3200. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government have examined 
the price-index of a T.V. Set, which varies 
so much from brand to brand; 

(b) whether the performance of few 
brands has been found far from satisfac- 
tory; and 

(c) if so, how Government propose to 
icmody the situation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI K.C. PANT): (a) to (c) . There is 
not much variation in the retail prices of 
TV sets of different^ brands made in the 
country. The performance of the indi- 
genous sets is good. 

Price Control of Essential commodities 

3201. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI: 
SHRI P. M. MEHTA: 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 


DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Government are consider- 
ing how measures of price control of essen- 
tial commodities can be protected from the 
purview of the Supreme Court: and 

(b) if so, when the final decision in this 
regard is likely to be taken ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The 
matter is under consideration of the Go- 
vernme nt. 

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103 


Written Ai&wers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


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Priority in crossing rail-ci/m-road bridge 
over Jamona river, Delhi. 

3204. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI: 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFIARS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether traffic coming from Shaha- 
dara area (Delhi) is givep priority in cross- 
ing the Rail-cum-road Bridge over river 
Jamuna (Delhi); 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and 

(c) if not, the reasons why traffic from 
Gandhi Nagar area is not given facilities 
for crossing by both ways (when opened) 
as is done in the case of traffic from Shaha- 
daia area? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) No. 

(b) The question does not arise. 

(c) Delhi Traffic Police on duty at the 
bridge treat the traffic from Shahdara and 
Gandhi Nagar sides alike. Traffic from 
Gandhi Nagar area is not permitted to 
use both carriage-ways as it will have to 
cross-cut the traffic coming from Shaha- 
dara, which may result in accidents. 

Pak Saboteurs in Jammu and Kashin 
after Simla Agreement 

3205. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH: 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Pakistan Government have 
been sending saboteurs in the State of 
Jammu and Kashmir despite the Simla 
Agreement; 

(b) if so, whether any inquiry has been 
conducted in the matter and the number 
of such saboteurs arrested during the last 
three months ; and 

(c) the precautionary measures taken 
by Government in this regard? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMA1T 
INDIRA GANDHI): (a) No such instance 
has been reported so far. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) The security agercies of the Centra 
and State Governments are exercising the 
usual vigilance in this regard. 



135 WMten Answers 


BHADRA t, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 106 


Maharashtra — Mysore Boundary 

3207. : SHRI B. V. NAIK : 

SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be phased to state: 

(a) whether the Chief Ministers of Mysore 
and Maharashtra have recently announced 
their stand on the border between the two 
states ; and 

(b) if so, the main points of stand taken 
by the two Chief Ministers respectively and 
the Governments' reaction thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F.H. MOHSIN) (a) No formal commu- 
nication has bene received recently from 
the Chief Ministers indicating their stand 
in the matter. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Working of Accredited Correspondents 

3208. SHRI MADHURYA HALDAR: 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether he will place a statement 
on the Table of the House siting the number 
of despatches that the accredited New 
Delhi Correspondents of Jana Morcha 
Faizabad, ‘Sakai’ ‘Pune-Bombay’, ‘Guja- 
rat Herald’ and ‘Matribhumi’ Ahmeda- 
bad) ‘Search-light’ Patna, Sada-e-Am’ sent 
between May and July this year and which 
were published; 

(b) whether the Press Information 
Bureau and Accereditation Committee have 
checked that these correspondents carried 
telegram bearing cards etc; and 

(c) whether a number of anrredited 
correspondents are working mainly for 
papers other than those for which they are 
accredited? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA): (a) Accredited press correspon- 
dents are not obliged to keep the Press 
Information Bureau informed about the 
number of despatches they send to their 
newspapers and the number of such des- 
patches actually published. The infor- 
mation sought is, there fere, not available. 

(b) No. Sir, 

(c) Under the Rules for Accreditation 
there is no bar against correspondents 
working for papers other than those for 
which they are accredited. 

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107 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers ,109 


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Iitdianrsation of Posts held hy Foreigners 
in Foreign Companies in India 

32iL SHRI K MALLANNA : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TtCII- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state ■ 

(a) tlx names of foreign Companies 
in India in which foicigncis are holding 
the highest posts at picseiU; 

(b) whether Government propose to 
formulate any scheme toi the lndiamsa- 
tion of such posts in those Companies, 
and 

(c) if so, the\salicnt featuics thcie of and 
when it is likely to come into force? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DIVL- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD), (a) A statement is laid on the 
Table of the House (Placed in Library 
see No. LT -3485/72) 

(b) and (c). A scheme for progressive 
Indianisation of posts in foreign firm 
was introduced in 1952. There is no sta- 
tutory enactment for this pm pose and the 
policy of the Government has been, one 
of persuation. As a result, practically all 
posts in foreign companies, with a monthly 
salary of upto Rs. 3,000 arc now held by 


Indian nationals while more than nine out 
of every ten posts with a monthly salary 
between Rs. 3001/- and Rs. 5001/- are 
manned by Indian nationals. 

Investigations against former custodian of 
United Commercial Rank 

3212. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state . 

(a) whcthci investigations instituted 
against the former custodian of the United 
Commercial Bank and other following the 
allegations made about certain transactions 
through this Rank by Hindustan Motors 
Limited on the eve of devaluation of the 
Rupee in June, 1966 has since been comple- 
ted; 

<b) i! so, the icsult oi ihc lnqiuiy, and 

(t) Ciovumpenfs reaction thcicto ,} 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THI 
MINISTRY Of IIOMF AFFAIRS AND 
IN mi DEPARTMENT OF PFRSON- 
Nf L * (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): 
(a) No, Sir 

(h) and (c) Do not arise 

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109 Written Answers 


BHADRA l f \%9A(SAKA) 


Written Answers 110 


Rates of sales tat on cotton Yarn and thread 
in Chandigarh 

3214. SHRI AMARNATH VIDYALAN. 
KAR : Will the Minister of HOME- 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state . 

(a) Whether Chandigarh Administration 
charges rupees two and rupees six, respec- 
tively, on the sale of cotton yarn and thread 
us Sales Tax, while the rate of such Tax in 
Haryana and Punjab is only one per cent 
and in Delhi there is no sales tax on this 
material at all; 


(a) whether it has come in to the notice 
of Government that some foreign com- 
panies operating in India have been indul- 
ging in irregular foreign exchange transac- 
tions ; and 

(b) if so, what action has been taken to 
prevent such transactions ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) 

(a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) whether the traders of Chandigarh 
have represented that owing to high rale 
of tax at Chandigarh business has diverted 
to Punjab and Haryana and has hit hard 
the businessmen of Chandigarh dealing 
in the material; and 

(c) if so, the action taken m the matter? 


(b) N pessary action is taken in sepctfic 
cases of violation of the provisions of 
I oreign Exchange Regulation Act, that 
come to notice in accordance with law. 
Appropnate legislative and administrative 
measmes aie taken from time to time to 
unb violations of FoJUgn Exchange Regu- 
lations 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OH HOME Al l AIRS 
(SHRI F.H MOHSIN): (a) Sales Tax on 
Colton Yarn and Tluead in Chandigarh, 
i laryana and Delhi is as follows — 


Chandigarh 

Punjab 

Haryana 

Delhi 


Cotton Thread 
>arn 

2 % 6 °. 

1 % 1 % 

Ko 6 % 

1 % Nil 


(b) The tradu s of Chandigaih have ic- 
picsented to Chandigarh Administration 
against the high rate of tax in Chandi- 
garh. However, it is not correct that trade 
has diverted to Punjab and Haryana. 

(c) The representation is under conside- 
ration. 


Annual Plan outlay approved for Orissa 
for 1972-73 

3216 SHRI CH1NTAMAN1 PANIG- 
RAHI: Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state. 

(a) the annual plan outlay approved 
for Oussa for 1972-73; 

(h) how much is the central assistance 
out of this approved outlay; and 

(c) the amount of outlay approved in 
respective heads, separately? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DH ARIA): (a) and (b) The appro- 
ved Annual Plan *1972-73 outlay for Orissa 
is Rs. 57.42 crores of which Central assis- 
tance amounts to Rs. 31 .04 crores. 


Illegal Transactions in foreign exchange 
by Foreign Companies 

„ 3215. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM: Will the PRIME MINISTER be 
pleased to state: 


(c) A statement indicating the distribu- 
tion of the approved outlay in 1972-73 
among various heads of development is 
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed 
iq Library. See No. LT-3486/72] 



Ill 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 112 


Process exploited by NEDC for the produc- 
tion of hard pttftic 

3217. SHR1 RAJDBO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Govehnnent are aware 
that the National Research Development 
Corporation has exploited a process for 
the production of hard plastic ABS deve- 
loped by the Sri Ram Institute of Industrial 
Research; and 

(b) If so, whether Government consider 
it desirable to encourage its production 
on commercial basis to cut out imports 
and also to meet the increasing future 
demands? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM): (a) Yes, Sir. A process has been 
developed by Sri Ram Institute of Indus- 
trial Research, Delhi for manufacture of 
ABS Plastics (Acrylenitrile, Butedience, 
Styrene). This work was sponsored by 
N.A.D.C. 

(b) Action is already being taken to 
license the process for establishing pro- 
duction of this material in the country. 

Legislation for Weights and Measures 

3218. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF: 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 

• 

(a) whether Maitra Committee on 
Weights and Measures has suggested legis- 
lation in die States to punish infringements 
of laws relating to Weights and Measures; 

and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Government of India will take 
a decision in the matter after considering 
the opinions of State Governments, the 
concerned departments of the Central 
Government and also of the representa- 
tives of consumers, educational institutions, 
farmers, industrialists, scientists and traders. 

Decrease in Purchase of Khadi 

3219. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the quantum of purchase 
of Khadi items has gone down during the 
last two years in the country; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the 
steps taken by Government to improve 
the sales ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD): (a) During the last two years, 
the sales are more or less stabilised around 
Rs. 26 crores. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Shortfall in Production of Agricultural 
Implements 

3220. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : WiH 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether production of the agricultural 
implements like threshers, spare parts for 
tractors, water pumps and other such equip- 
ment has gone down during the last one 
year in the country ; and 

(b) if so, the main reasons therefor ? 



113 Written Answers 


BHADRA l f 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 114 


TRE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD): (a) There has been a slight short- 
fall in production in 1971 as compared to 
the production of 1970* 

(b) The matching agricultural imple- 
ments are mainly produced by the tractor 
manufacturers themselves. As there has 
been a shortfall in production of tractors 
during 1971 as compared to the produc- 
tion of the year 1970, Agricultural imple- 
ments and spare parts for Agricultural 
tractors have also been produced in less 
numbers during the year 1971. 

Brain drain due to lack of facilities for 
Research 

3221. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA : 
Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether specialists m the fields of 
science and technology arc leaving the 
country because they do not have adequate 
facilities for research; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government 
to stop this brain drain? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) Scientists who go abroad do 
so for higher studies, training or for acquir- 
ing wider or specialised experience. Some go 
attracted by the greater opportunities in the 
highly advanced countries. 

(b) Some of the steps taken to provide 
research facilities to well qualified scientists 
technologists etc. are given below:— 

1, The Government of India have ap- 
proved a Scheme for creation of super- 
numerary posts for quick absorption 
• of highly qualified Scientists and Tech- 


nologists in suitable scientific organisa- 
tions. 

2. The Council of Scientific and Industrial 
Research is running a Scientists 1 Pool, 
which provides opportunities for re- 
search in suitable organisations, 

3. The University Grants Commission, 
C.S.T.R. and other scientific agencies 
have instituted a number of 
senior and Junior Research Fellow- 
ships for research work in the Univer- 
sities, National Laboratories and other 
research institutions. 

4. Grants are given to Scientists to carry 
•out research projects. 

5. University Grants Commission have 
been providing special assistance to 
some selected Universities to establish 

Centres of Advanced Study 1 * in speci- 
fic fields of research. 

6. The University Grants Commission 
have made provision for further deve- 
lopment of laboratory and other faci- 
lities in Universities including the pur- 
chase of specialised equipments. 

Tuition Fee Unification in Schools in Kerala 

3222, SHRI PILOO MODY : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state: 

(a) whether there has been certain contro- 

versy in Kerala regarding the State Govern- 
ment's decision on tuition fee unification in 
schools; § 

(b) whther the State Government has 
taken up this question with the Union 
Government; and 

(c) if so, reaction of Government of India 
thereto? 



1 1 5 Written Atiswtfy 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 116 


THE MINISTER Ofc STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K,C PANT): (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c) The management of private 
colleges in Kerala had sbought the good 
offices of the Prime Minister in resolving the 
controversy which has since been amicably 
settled. 

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Hill uu Nationalisation ol Foreign owned 
Plantations in Kerala 

.1225 SHRI C .IAN A ROHAN AN : Will 
the Mimslci of IIOMI- Al FAIRS be pleas- 
ed to state 

(a) whether the Slate Cioveinment of 
Kciala ha\e sent to the Government of India 
foi approval a Bill to nationalise Foreign 
owned plantations in Kciala; and 

(b) if so, the reasons tor delay in giving 
sanction to that Bill ,} 

THi: DLPUTY MINISTCR IN THE 
MINISTRY OF : HOM1 AFFAIRS (SHR[ 
F. H MOHSIN) . (a) and (b) A draft 
Old. nance has been received from the 
Cioveinment of Kerala for instructions of 
the President for its promulgation. The 
draft legislation needs caieful examination 
fiom the point of view of policy and is under 
examination. 

Small Scale Industries in Rewa Division 

3226. SHRI RANA BAHADUR SINGH: 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state the progress 



117 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 

made during the year 1971-72 in the sphere of 
small spate industries in Rewa Division 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : Information has been sought from 
the Government oi Madhya Pradesh and 
will be laid on the Tabic of the House. 

Alleged beating ol INTUC leader of D.E.S.U. 
by some persons 

1227. SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 
Will the Minister of HOMF AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state. 

(a) whether Shn R P. Bhaskar, an 
INTUC Union Leader of DESU was seve- 
. o! v beaten by some persons on ihe 25th 
July, 1972 while on duty, 

fb) whether any icpoit has been registeied 
by the police against those persons; and 

(c) if so, ihe action taken by DLSU oi 
the Police aginst the guilty persons and if 
not. Hie icasons thercfoi 

THE Dl PUTY MINISTER IN IHb 
MINISTRY Or HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F H. MOHSIN) (a) No Sir On 25-7-72 
Shn R. P. Bhaskai, Senior Clerk in DLSU 
anJ an office beaiu of DLSU Ma/dooi 
Congress had a scuffle with Slav i Jagdish 
Smgh Junior Lineman DESU in the Office 
ol Zonal Superintendent (Zone 14) Delhi 
Electric Supply Undertaking In course of 
this scuffle, Shn R P Bhaskar sustaine 
simple injuries on his peison 

(b) Yes Sir. In his icpoit to the police, 
Shri R. P. Bhaskar has complained that his 
purse containing Rs. 210 was stolen by 
Shri Jagdish Singh A ease FIR No 438 
dated 25.7 72 under section 379 1 P.C. 
(theft) has been registered at Police Station 
Punjabi Bagh. 

(c) The criminal case of theft is under 
investigation by the police. Departmental 


im{SAKA) Written Answers 118 

investigations are being made by DESU 
authorities in the complaint and counter 
complaint of both the parties. 

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Orders and Output of Engineering Industrial 
Units 

.3229. SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 
KAKODKAR : 

SHRI K EAKKAPPA . 

Will the Ministcv of INDUSTRIAL 
DUVELOPMENl AND SCIENCE AND 
TL( HNOI OGY he pleased to state: 

(a) vvhi iici the Engineering Industrial 
Units expect more oidcrs and output in 
fuluic according to the suney by the Indian 
Engineering Association, and 

(b) if so, the salient features of the survey 
and, the total output and ordeis expected in 
the current year 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Survey extended to 1 1 1 companies 
representing various sectors of the Engi- 
neering Industiy. In analysing the date, the 
results of the previous two six-monthly Sur- 
veys were also taken into account. Accord- 
ing to them there is greater optimism gene- 
rally in regard to industry as a whole and 



119 Written Atuwerk AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 120 


particularly engineering industry. They 
have anticipated (i) greater capital avail- 
ability; (li) higher capacity utilisation; 
<iii) more employment prospects; (iv) im- 
provement in orders in output position; and 
(v) present level of exports is likely to be 
maintained, although no precise figures have 
been mentioned by them. 

North-Eastern Council 

3230. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether the North-Eastern Council 
has come into being; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Governor of the north-eastern 
States of Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya, 
Nagaland and Tripura and Chief Ministers 
of these States, the Lt. Governor and the 
Chief Minister of Mizoram and the Chief 
Commissioner of Arunachal Pradesh and 
one of his Counsellors are members of the 
Council. The Governor has been nomi- 
nated to be the Chairman. The Council 
is an advisory and recommendatory body. 
Its main function is to formulate a coordi- 
nated regional plan with a view to securing 
the balanced development of the region as 
a whole and to discharge functions similar 
to those of the Zonal Councils constituted 
under the States Reorganisation Act, 1956. 
The Council will also review from time to 
lime the measures taken by the member- 
States for maintenance of security and pub- 
lic order and recommend further measures. 

Studies of Companies made by R.B.I. 

3231. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 


(a) the outcome of the recent studies of 
290 Companies by the Reserve Bank of 
India; and 

(b) the reaction of Government in this 
regard? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) and (b) It is understood that the 
outcome of the study of 290 non-Govern- 
ment, non-fmancial public limited com- 
panies earned out by the R.BJ. is available 
m the R.B.I. Bulletin of February 1972 and 
that it relates primarily to the Department 
of Company Affairs. 

Extension in Age limit upto 30 years for 
entry into Government Service 

3232. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Central Government propose 
to extend the age limit upto 30 years for entry 
into Government Service; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINSTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : 
(a) and (b) No proposal for raising the upper 
age limit to 30 years for entry into Govern- 
ment service is under consideration. Upper 
age limits for various posts are fixed taking 
into account the qualifications and expe- 
rience required for them. However, as a 
result of a suggestion made by the Staff 
Side of the Joint Consultative Machinery 
orders have been issued in March, 1972 
raising the upper age limit for direct recruit- 
ment to Class III ministerial non-gazetted 
posts from 21 to 25 years. Further, on the 
recommendations of the Administrtaive Re- 
forms Commission, the upper age limit for 
recruitment to Class I and Class II posts 
filled through the I.A.S. etc. Competitive 



121 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAK A) 


[ Written Answers 122 


examination has been raised in April, 1972 
from 24 to 26 years. Also in order to pro- 
vide employment opportunities to the Engi- 
neers who passed engineering examinations 
during the period of stagnation in economy, 
the upper age limit for the Engineering Ser- 
vices Examinations for the years 1972 and 
1973 has been raised to 30 years and simi- 
larly for the Engineering Services (Electro- 
nics) Examination for the years 1973 and 
1974. In regard to Engineering Services 
and Engineering posts recruitment to which 
is made otherwise than through competitive 
examinations, the upper age limit has been 
relaxed by five years subject to a maximum 
upper age limit of 35 years. 


(a) the names and full particulars of the 
persons arrested in connection with the 
fraud in a Nationalised Bank in Calcutta In 
in May, 1972 involving about 60 lakhs of 
rupees; 

(b) the names and full particulars of 
arrested persons either subsequently releas- 
ed or bailed out alongwith reasons therefor; 

(c) whether the Police has prepared and 
submitted charge sheets against the persons 
involved in this fraud, if not, the reasons 
therefor; and 

(d) whether there is a move to withdraw 
the case? 


“Tricks” of employers to realise money from 
Government 

3234. SHR1 JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether his attention has been drawn 
to a news-item published in “Jugantar” 
(Bengali daily newspaper published from 
Calcutta) on the 5th July, 1972 under the 
caption “Tricks of the employers to realise 
money from the Government”; and 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) The following persons 
were arrested in connection with the fraud in 
the United Bank of India Calcutta 


(1) Fatick Chandra 
Majumdcr 

(2) Gurupada Panja 

(3) Naba Kumar Basak 

(4) Matilal Paul 

(5) Pulak Chandra 
Paul 


These five per- 
sons are not 
. the employees 
Vof the Bank. 
They were ar- 
rested 
26-4-72. 


on 


(6) Ratan Kumar not an employee of 
Majumdar, the Bank, arrested 
©n 4-5-72. 


(b) if so, Government's reaction thereto? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) Government are aware of the 
Press report. 

(b) No such instance has come to the 
notice of this Ministry. 

Fraud in a Nationalised Bank in Calcutta 
involving about 60 lakhs of Rupees 

‘ 3235. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state: 


(7) Nalini Ranjan Dutta, Manager, 
Calcutta Branch. At the time of his arrest 
on 27-4-1972 he was working as Regional 
Manager. 

(8) Dhirendra Chandra Mukbeijee, 
Manager of new Manicktolla Branch was 
arrested on 28-4-1972. 

(9) Baldcv Bhattacharjee, Assistant Ma- 
nager and in-chargc of Loan advanced 
under Small Scale Industries Scheme of 
Head Office, arrested on 29-4-72. 

(10) Krishan Gopal Ghatak, Officer of 
Advance Control Department, S.S.I. Scheme 
of Head Office arrested on 4-5-72. 



123 Written Answers 


AUGUSr 23, 1972 


Written Answers 124 


(11) Anil Kumar Sinha, incharge of Secu- 
rity Department of Hatftmgan Branch of the 
Bank arrested on 4-5-71 

(12) Subodh Kumar Mitra, Manager of 
Tollygunge Branch arrested on 15-5-1972. 

(13) Chittaranjan Dutta arrested on 
29-5-1972. He is not a Bank employee. 

(14) Benoy Bhusan Sengupta, Manager 
of Behala Branch arrested on 12-6-1972. 

(b) All the accused persons were jn police 
custody and thereafter in Jail custody for 
24 months. Accused numbers 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 
10, 11 and 12 were granted bail by Chief 
Presidency Magistrate on 10-7-1972. Accus- 
ed numbers 1, 3, 4. 6, 13 & 14 were granted 
bail by Chief Judge City Sessions Court 
on 10-8-1972. 

(c) A large number of documents have 
been seized. These are being scrutinised. 
A large number of persons arc to be examin- 
ed. It will, therefore, take sometime to 
complete investigation of this case and to 
submit charge-sheet. 

♦ 

(d) There is no move to withdraw the 
•case. 

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Scheme for promotion of Khadi and 
village Industries 

3237. SHRl C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Khadi and Village Indus- 
tries Commission is celebrating the Golden 
Jubilee of the Khadi movement in the 
current year; 

(b) whether the Commission is launching 
any special scheme for the promotion of 
Khadi and village industries in the golden 
jubilee year; and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) . (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 

(c) Commission’s programme comprises 
of 

(') enrolment of one lakh khadi fami- 
lies; 

(n) ‘Peoples’ Education Programme’ 
through publication of brochures, 
pamphlets, radio features, seminars, 
study circles, display of film strips 
etc.; and 

(ni) Organisation of exhibitions with 
stress on improved tools and the 
achievements of the Commission, 
sales of ready made garments 
(Khadi kits) and village industries 
products packets, as part thereof. 



125 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 126 


Location of cross-bar switching factory. 

3238. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN: 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 
be pleased to slate. 

(a) the latest position regarding the 
question of deciding the location of Cross 
Bar Switching Factory; 

(b) whether the proposal of Kerala 
Government and recommendations of the 
Team of Experts on this matter have since 
been considered ; and 

(c) if so, the final decision taken thereon? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) to (c) : The question regarding the locat- 
ion of the second Switching Factory is still 
under consideration of Government. 

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Difference of opinion of leading economists 
of the approach to Fifth Plan 

3241 SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
to state: 

(a) whether the leading Lconomists diifer 
on the approach to the Fifth Plan as voiced 
in a symposium held in Bombay; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government? 

HIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). It is diffi- 
cult to locate the symposium referred to 
by the Hon. Member as the question is too 
vague. It is lruc*thal various economists 
have been expressing varying opinions over 
the Approach Paper. The Approach Paper 
is a tentative document and is before the 
country for dialogue and for understanding 
the reactions of the people. All such re- 
actions will be considered at the time of the 
finalisation of the Approach to the Fifth 
Five Year Plan, 



AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 129 


127 Written Ansn$s 

Working of Canteen of Bharat Opthalmic 
Glass Limited 

3242. SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 
HALDAR : Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of persons working in the 
Canteen of Bharat Opthalmic Glass Ltd., 
Durgapur on Muster Roll establishment; 

(b) how many of them have completed 
240 days of continuous service; and 

(c) the steps being taken to regularise 
them after completion of 240 days continu- 
ous service? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Eighteen. 

(c) Canteen workers arc not employees 
of the Company, as such. They are engaged 
separately by the Canteen Managing Com- 
mittee. Accordingly, the question of regula- 
rising their services as comployccs of the 
Company does not arise. 

Manufacture of Bicycles of High Speed 

3243 SHRI RAJDEO SINGH ■ Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Regional Research Labo- 

ratory at Jorhat has invented a gear device 
by which the speed of bicycles can be in- 
creased without much additonal pedal 
effort ; « 

(b) whether the components needed can 
be manufactured indigenously; 

(c) whether the device will double the 
speed of the bicycles; and 

(d) if so, whether Government consider 
it advisable to start its manufacture on 
commercial basis? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Yes, Sir, 

(d) The process has been assigned to the 
National Research Development Corpora* 
tion of India, who are exploring the possibi- 
lities of its commercial utilisation. 

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129 Written Answers 


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Short supply of Cement in Kerala 

3247. SHR1MAT1 BHARGAV1 THAN- 
KAPPAN : Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state. 

(a) whethei cement is in short supply in 
Kerala and because of that great difficulties 
are being faced in the constructions of many 
Government and private buidings m Kerala. 

(b) if so, whether the Keiala Govern- 
ment have sent any request in this regard; 

(c) whether shortage of cement in Kerala 
is due to short supply of wagons, and 

(d) if so, the steps Government have taken 
to remove the shortage of cement in 
Kerala? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DE VELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD)' 
(a) and (b). No Sir. The average 
monthly despatches of cement to Kerala 
State during 1972 is 58490 tonnes against 
49984 tonnes in 1971. But, still, due to 
increased demand for cement, certain com- 
plaints regarding inadequate supplies were 
received from Government/Quasi Govern- 
ment indentors. 

(c) and (d). The supply position suffered 
somewhat due to movement difficulties and 
strike in Madukkarai cement factory, one 
41LSS/72 — 7- 


of the factories supplying cement to the 
State of Kerala and general dis-inclination 
of the Government indentors to receive 
supplies by road. Movement of cement by 
railways was also affected due to the higher 
priority given to the movement of food- 
grains from the North during April-August, 
1972 Rail motv*;ment on the Gh^t Section 
was also temporarily stopped due to a land 
slide in the month of May. 

To overcome the inadequate supplly of 
wagons and to improve supply position, 
permission has been granted in appropriate 
cases to factories situated in distant areas 
to arrange supplies even if necessary over 
dearer routes at higher freight. More liberal 
movement by road has also been permitted. 
Creation of dumps at Chonganachari and 
Quilon and transport of cement by rail- 
ca/w-road or by road has also been permit- 
ted. It has also been decided to reimburse 
the producers upto 125% of the correspond- 
ing rail freight for transport of cement to 
destinations beyond 100 kms. The Railways 
have also been requested to improve the 
availability of wagons to various factories 
for the transport of cement 

Seminar Organized by Indian space 
Research Organization 

3248. SHRI VEKAR1A : Will the Minis- 
ter of SPACE be pleased to state; 

(a) whether a Seminar organized by the 
Indian Space Research Organization was 
held in the first week of August, and 

(b) ’if so, the points discussed and the 
conclusions arrived at? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMAT1 
NIDIRA GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 



1 3 1 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 132 


(b) The points discussed covered the 
following six areas : 

(i) Communication 

(ii) Metcrcology 

(iii) Earth Resource Survey 

(iv) Geodesy 

(v) Navigation 

(vi) Space Sciences 

Broadly the recommendations which 
emerged from the discussions at the Semi- 
nar were : 

0) Communications : The need of Sate- 
llite Communications for reaching 
the masses of the country seems 
appropriate Taking into account the 
benefits of the modern medium of 
television for development purposes, 
several alternative configurations 
were considered for a Communica- 
tion Satellite for the adoption of a 
hybrid integrated arrangement of 
terrestrial broad band microwave 
links and TV transmit along with 
satellite coverage facilities for na- 
tional linkage as an optimum sys- 
tem. 

<u) Metereology : Weather phenomena 
have to be studied and monitored 
and the latest data collection me- 
thods studied which will eventually 
improve forecasting capabilities. 
The establishment of a National 
Satellite Meteorological Data Cen- 
tre has been recommended. 

(iii) Earth Resource Survey : The new 
techniques of remote sensing have to 
be developed and passed on to the 
users so that economic benefits can 
be derived. Successful implementa- 
tion of a national programme of 
space technology including remote 
sensing techniques can help provide 
Unnecessary information leading to 
substantial economic benefits. 


(iv) Geodesy : To meet the needs of 
Geodesy, the new techique of satel- 
lite geodesy should be employed. 

(v) Navigation : Space applications for 
nevigation are likely to be more in 
the nature of a spin-off from the 
efforts for satellite communications. 

(vi) Space Sciences : Several recommen- 
dations have been made including 
the use of satellites for conducting 
aeronomy experiments particularly 
aimed at understanding the equato- 
rial anomaly of the ionosphere and 
the electrojccl and for carrying out 
experiments in astronomy. 

The detailed recommendations emerging 
from the Seminar will receive detailed and 
careful scrutiny of the Department of Space 
for enabling the recommendations to be 
translated into concrete proposals. 

Utilisation of Salt Cess Fund for Gujarat 
State 

3249. SHRI VEKARIA * 

SHR1 D P JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether Gujarat contributes about 60 
per cent of the total salt produced in the 
country and pays quite a substantial amount 
to the Central Exchequer every year by way 
of cess, 

(b) whether the Government of Gujarat 
had not been given assistance from the Salt 
Cess Fund and if so, the reasons therefor; 
and 

(c) the purpose for which the cess is unlis- 
hsed and the criteria observed for distribut- 
ing the cess proceeds? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir. 



133 Written A is Mrs 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 


(b) No assistance has been given to the 
-Government of Gujarat directly out of salt 
cess proceeds. The assistance is generally 
given to beneficiary salt licensees. 

(c) In terms of Section 4 of the Salt Cess 
Act, 1953, the proceeds of the cess, reduced 
by the cost of collection, are, if Parliament 
by law in this behalf so provide, utilised on 
all or any of the following objects, namely : 

(a) meeting the expenditure incurred in 
connection with the salt organisa- 
tion maintained by the Central Go- 
vernment ; 

4b) meeting the cost of measures taken 
in connection with the manufacture, 
supply and distribution of salt by 
Union agencies and the regulation and 
control of the manufacture, supply 
and distribution of salt by other agen- 
cies; and m particular, measures for— 

(i) the establishment and mainte- 
nance of research stations and 
model salt farms, 

(ii) the establishment, maintenance 
and expansion of salt factories; 

(m) fixing the grades of salt; 

(iv) promoting and encouraging co- 
operative effort among manufac- 
turers of salt; and 

(v) promoting the welfare of labour 
employed in the salt industry. 

In order to implement these objectives, 
Government have constituted a Central 
Advisory Board for Salt and six Regional 
Advisory Boards for Salt, to advise the 
Government on the administration of the 
proceeds of the salt cess. Works of a 
developmental nature and/or of labour wel- 
fare, indicated below are generally considered 
for assistance from the proceeds of the 
ccss,:— 

(a) Water Supply Schemes, 


(b) Building of roads, 

(c) Provision of medical facilities, 

(d) Developmental works (including 
assistance for mechanisation and 
research), port improvements for 
export of salt and Railway sidings; 
and 

(e) Provision or augmentation of educa- 
tional facilities for the children of 
worktrs employed in the salt indus- 
try, 

Southern Zonal Council Meeting 

325Q. SHR1 B. V. NA1K : Will the Minis- 
ter of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether major items like river water 
dispute were discussed at the meeting of the 
Southern Zonal Council; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K.C. PANT) : (a). No such item was sug- 
gested for discussion by any member-State 
at the last meeting of the Southern Zonal 
Council. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Incidents of Tnefts and Robberies in Post 
Offices 

3251. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be pleased to state: 

(a) whether a large number of thieves and 
robbers have started attacking the Post 
Offices m the country; 

(b) if so, the number of such incidents 
and loss sustained by the P&T Department 
during this year so fai ; and 

(c) the steps being taken to give full 
protection to the Post Offices throughout the 
country? 



135 Written Angers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 136 


THE MINISTER 1 OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRl H. N. BAHUGUNA) : 

(a) Barring petty cases, there have been a few 
cases of thefts and robberies during the 
current year. 

(b) 10; 

Rs. 15,032. 

(c) State Police authorities provide pro- 
tection to P&T offices 

Concentration during Fifth Plan on increasing 

Production of Mass Consumption items 
and Capital Goods 

3252. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRl P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state; 

(a) whether the Federation of Indian 
Chambers of Commerce and Industry has 
demanded that the Fifth Plan should con- 
centrate on increasing the production of 
mass consumption items of raw materials 
and capital goods; and 

(b) if so, whether the Federation of Indian 
Chambers of Commerce and Industry com- 
mittee has examined the Government's 
approach to the Fifth Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRl 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b) It is 
learnt from the Federation of Indian Cham- 
bers of Commerce and Industry that the 
Planning Commission's document on 
'Approach to the Fifth Plan’ was considered 
by a committee of the Federation at a meet- 
ing held on 16th June, 1972. The com- 
mittee’s views, inter alia , included the sug- 
gestion of a new frame for growth where 
more and more people contribute to increas- 
ing the supplies of a number of items of 
mass consumption, raw materials, intermedi- 
ates and capita] goods. The matter is under- 
stood to be under study, by the Plan sub- 
committee of the Federation, who has not 
yet crystalised their views on the subject. 


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Assistance to States to put an end 
to Dacoities 

3254. SHRl HARI SINGH : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to give special Central aid to the Stales to 
put an end to dacoities; and 

(b) if so, the nature and extent of aid to 
be given to different States ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRl 
F.H. MOHSIN) : (a). With a view to era- 
dicate the crime of dacoity from the Gham- 
bal Valley area the Central Government 
in co-operation with the State Governments 
concerned is preparing a comprehensive 
socio-economic development plan of the 
area. The question of any special Central 
aid for this purpose would be considered in 
due course. 

(b) Does not arise. 



137 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 138 


Opportunity to Government employees to 
appear in the I.A.S. examination 

3255. SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : 

SHRI D. N. SINGH : 

Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government are considering 
to provide opportunity to the persons who 
are below 36 years of service and have com- 
pleted six years of service or only those non- 
technical class IT and class 111 services, 
where the promotional avenues arc bleak, 
to sit at the l.A.S. Examination instead of 
every Government employee (not already 
:n class 1) as recommended by the Adminis- 
trative Reforms Commission ; and 

(b) If so, whether Government have un- 
der considciauon the case of non-lechnical 
persons from Science and Arts Faculties, 
who are engaged in teaching science and 
humanities (non-tcchnical subjects) in tech- 
nical institutes under the Government- 
Union and States wheic the promotional 
avenues are extremely bleak ? 

THF MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PER- 
SONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIR- 
DHA) : (a) and (b) The Administrative 
Reforms Commission m its Report on Per- 
sonnel Administration has recommended 
that * in order to provide greater oppor- 
tunities for the advancement of talented 
persons who are not already in Class 1 — 
every one who has completed 6 years of 
service in Government and is less than 35 
years of age may be given one and only 
one chance to sit for the open competitive 
exam nation for Class I non-technical ser- 
vices, irrespective of the chances already 
taken’ provided that he fulfils conditions 
relating to educational qualifications. 

The above recommendation is under con- 
sideration of the Government. 


Memorandum submitted by Legislators from 
Rayahseema to P*M. for Financial Assis- 
tance 

* 3256. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
to state ; 

(a) whether the legislators from Rayal- 
seema have submitted a memorandum to 
the Prime Minister requesting for financial 
assistance to the socio-economic develop- 
ment of the backward area of Rayalasecma* 
during her visit to Hyderabad in connec- 
tion with the meeting of the Southern Zonal 
Council, and 

(b) if so, whethei any financial assistance 
in addition to the regular plan provision 
will be made available for the development 
of this area 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO- 
HAN DHARJA) . (a) Yes, Sir, some M.Ps, 
M.L As and others submitted a Memoran- 
dum to the Prime Minister on the subject 
of the socio-economic development of 
Rayalasecma region of Andhra Pradesh and 
requested uuet alia that a special revolving 
fund of Rs 100 crores may be sanctioned 
for the purpose 

(b) The Regional Development Plan for 
Rayalasecma, in the con'ext of which the 
financial assistance mentioned in part (a) 
of the question has been suggested envisages 
total investments of Rs. 250 crores, Rs 350 
crores and Rs. 517 crores m the Fourth, 
Fifth and Sixth Plan respectively The ques- 
tion of assistance during the Fourth Plan 
period will be examined in relation to the 
ongoing progiammes in the area, after 
receiving proposals in that behalf from the 
Government of Andhra Pradesh specifying 
in particular, the adjustments that are pos- 
sible in the current Plan so as to provide for 
a larger allocation for the developmental 
needs of the Rayalaseema region. In formu- 
lating the Central as well as the States’ 



139 Written Answj/ts AUGUST 23 , 1972 Wr tten A rimers 140 


Fifth and Sixth Five-Year Plan, the schemes 
and programmes drawn up in the Regional 
Development Plan for Rayalaseema will 
be taken into account. 

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T.V. Stations for Adivasi Areas of Rewa 
in Madhya Pradesh 

3258 SHRI RANABAHADUR 

SINGH : Will the Minister of INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleas- 
ed to state 

(a) whether Government propose to give 
preference for establishing T.V. Stations 
in the Adivasi Areas of Revva region in 
Madhya Pradesh; and 

(b) if so, the mam features thereof^ 

THE DFPUTY MINISTIR IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM B1R 
SINHA)-(a) and (b). Proposals for the 
expansion ol T.V. network m the country 
during the F ifth Plan are s II being formula- 
ted 

Joint Development and Planning Board for 
the development of Backward Areas of U.P. 
and M.P. 

3259. SrtR[ RANABAHADUR. 

SINGH . Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Joint Development and 
Planning Board is going to be set up for 
the coordination and development of (he 
backward areas of Bundclkhand region in 
Uttar Pradesh and the adjoining areas of 
Madhya Pradesh; 



141 Written Answers BH ADR A 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers , 142 


(b) whether any meeting in this connec- 
tion has taken place; and 

(c) if so, the subjects discussed? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO- 
HAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c) . There is no 
proposal before the Planning Commission 
regarding a Joint Development and Planning 
Board for the coordination and develop- 
ment of backward areas of Bundelkhand 
region in Uttar Pradesh and the adjoining 
areas of Madhya Pradesh. However, at 
the meeting of the Central Zonal Council 
held on the 10th July, 1972, the representa- 
tives of Uttar Piadesh and Madhya Pradesh 
agreed that there should be a Joint Coordi- 
nation Committee of the two States, with 
the concerned Adviser of the Planning Com- 
mission as Chairman to coordinate the deve- 
lopment of the Bundelkhand region 

Stoppage of Hire-Purchase Scheme due to 
Lack of Funds 

3260. SHRI K BALADHANOA- 
UTHAM : Will the Minister of 1 NDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
A ND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the National Small Indus- 
tries Development Corporation has stopped 
its hire-purchase scheme due to lack of funds; 
and 

(b) if so, the steps taken to provide ade- 
quate funds to the Corporation to enable 
it to continue the hire-purchase scheme? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) The position of finanaia! resources of 
the * Corporation has impioved and steps 
are being taken to improve it further. 


Planning Minister’s statement on making 
efforts for ensuring Minimum needs of the 
People and on Expansion of Employment 

3261. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of PLANNING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether he has recently stated that 
he would concentrate his efforts on ensuring 
minimum needs of the people on the one 
hand and expanding employment on the 
other; and 

(b) if so, what concrete steps aie being 
envisaged for achieving these aims? 

THE. MINISTFR OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PI ANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Concrete steps envisaged for achiev- 
ing these aims have been indicated in the 
note entitled “Towards an Approach to 
the Fifth Five Year Plan” placed on the 
Table of the House on 31st May, 1972. 
These steps have been generally approved 
by the National Development Council 
also. Briefly, these steps include adequate 
provision for ensuiing minimum needs of 
the^ people in the form of free and compul- 
sory education for children upto the age 
of \A , public health facilities integiatcd 
wuh family planning and nutrition of child- 
ren; rural water supply; homesilcs foi land- 
less labour; rural roads, rural electrification; 
and slum impiovemcnt in the larger towns. 
As regards the problem of expanding employ 
ment, opportunities, efforts will be made 
to step up investments in employment- 
intensive heads of development such 
as small-scale industries, trade and 
services and on suefi productive sectors in the 
rural areas as minor irrigation, soil conser- 
vation, dairying, forestry', fisheries and ani- 
mal husbandry and area development. 
Detailed exercises in this regard are now be- 
ing worked out, which when completed, 
are proposed to be incorporated in the Draft 
Fifth Plan, 



143 Written Ans\ 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 144 


Lack of Co-ordination! between Industrial 
Units and C.S.LR. in regard to Scientific 
Research 

3262. SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether, at present, there is no pro- 
per coordination between the industrial 
units and the Council of Scientific and In- 
dustrial Research; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government have taken 
to ensure better co-ordination between the 
industry and the Council of Scientific and 
Industrial Research in the sphere of research? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SU- 
BRAMANIAM) : (a) and (b) C.S LR. has 
built up an effective link of communication 
with industry through the fndu^tnal Liaison 
Units in the Laboratories and the Rcseaich 
Co-ordination and Industrial Liaison Divi- 
sion at the Headquarters. Representation 
of industry on the Governing Bod> of the 
CSIR and the Executive Councils of the 
Laboratories provides adequate opportuni- 
ties to the industry to participate in the 
functioning and research programming of 
the Institutes. 

Steps are also being taken to arrange 
get-togethers of CSIR Scientists with re- 
presentatives of industries and to i cacti vise 
the Joint Standing Committee for Researches 
and Industry where Scientists, Industrialists 
and Associations of manufacturers and 
trade are represented. 

The Director-General, Scientific and In- 
dustrial Research is holding meetings with 
the industiy and the Government officials 
in different States. 


Collaboration offered by C.S.LR. to tile 
Chemical Industry for Research and Deve- 
lopment 

3263. SHRI K. BALADANDAYU- 
THAM : Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) wheiher the Council of Scientific 
and Industrial Research has offered to the 
Chemical industry collaboration for research 
and development in three specific areas, 
catalysts, polymers and corrosion; 

(h) if so, the conditions offered for colla- 
boiation with ihe Chemical Industry; and 

(c) whether the industr> has accepted 
the offer 9 

the: ministfr of industrial 

DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOI OGY (SHRI C. SUB- 
RAMANIAM) .(a) The subjects of cata- 
lysis, polymers and corrosion were dis- 
cussed as possible areas of cooperation bet- 
ween CSIR Laboratories, industrial firms 
in the public and private sector and other 
organisations during a meeting held bet- 
ween the lepresenlaiives of the chemical 
industry and the Director-General, CSIR, 
in Bombay on 15th July, 1972 

(b) and (c). The modus ooeumdi for the 
collaboration is undei consideration. 

Manufacture of Razor Blades 
by Foreign Companies 

3265. SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister ot INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCF AND TECH- 
NOI OGY be pleased to state ■ 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to allow some foreign companies to manu- 
facture razor blades in India; 

(b) if so, the names of the companies and 
the details regarding the share of Indian 
companies in manufacturing razor blades 
in the country; and 



145 Written Answers 


BH ADR A 1,1 894 (SAKA) Written Answers 346 


(c) the time by which the foreign com- 
pany is expected to start functioning? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Complaints against Khadi and 
Village Industries Commission 

3266. SHRI G. Y KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state ■ 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints regarding unsatisfactory work 
ing of the Khadi and Village Industries 
Commission: and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ynd the persons held responsible 
therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTFR IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDPHFSHWAR 
PRASAD) . (a) and (b) A few complain'* 
have been received against the working of 
the Khadi and Village Industries Commis- 
sion. These complaints are being examin- 
ed. 

Allocation of Funds to States for Distribu- 
tion by Industrial Development Board for 
Development of Industries 

3267. SHRI G.Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the total amount of money distnhu'cd 
by the Industrial Development Boaid of 
India during 1971-72 to each State for the 
development of industries; and 

(b) the total amount of money granted 
to the private sectors in each State in the 
country? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) This Ministry has not set 
up any Industrial Development Board of 
India. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe Class I 
Officers in Government of India 

3268 SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state: 

(a) the number of Scheduled Caste and 
Scheduled Tribe Class I Officers in the 
Government in India in 1965 ; 

(b) . whether there has been any increase 
in their number aftei 1965: and 

(c) if so, the details thereof, Ministry- 
wise? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM N1WAS M1RDHA) : 
(a) As on 1st January 1965, there were 318 
Officers belonging to Scheduled Castes 
and 52 Officeis belonging to Scheduled 
Tribes in the Class 1 sen ices under the 
Government of India. 

(b) and (c) Yes, Sir. There has been 
appreciable increase in number of Class 
I Officers belonging to Scheduled Castes 
and Scheduled Tribes since 1965. As on 
1st January 1971, there were 706 Officers 
belonging to Scheduled Castes and 113 
Officers belonging to Scheduled Tribes in 
Class I services under the Government of 
India These figures arc exclusive of the 
civilian officers in Class 1 in the Lower 
Formations under the Ministry of Defence 
in respect of which information as on 1st 
January 1971 is not available. However, 
as on 1st January 1970, there were 22 Offi- 
cers belonging to Scheduled Castes and 2 
Officers belonging to Scheduled Tribes 
in Class I in the Lower Formations of that 
Ministry. A statement showing the num- 
ber of Scheduled' Caste and Scheduled Tribe 



147 Written Answer#; 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answer^ 148 


Officers in Class I, Ministry-wise, as on 1st 
January, 1965 and 1st January, 1971 is laid 
on the Table of the House. [Placed in Li- 
baray See No. LT-3487/72J. 

Requirements of Trucks 

3269. SHR1 BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the annual requirement of trucks in 
the country; 

(b) the existing capacity of the automo- 
bile industry m the country to meet the 
demand; and 

(c) the steps taken by Government to 
augument the production of trucks in the 
country? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESH vVAR 
PRASAD) : (a) The Planning Group for 
Machinery Industries has estimated that 
the demand for commercial vehicles includ- 
ing buses by 1973-74 would be 85,000 num- 
bers per annum 

(b) The required information is as under : 


Name of product Capacity Present 
target produc- 
by 1973-74 tion 
(Nos. per capacity 
annum) (Nos. 

per 

annum) 

1. Commercial Vehi- 
cles . . 85,000 48,400 

2. Passenger Cars 8}, 000 47,400 

3. Jeeps . 15,000 10,000 


(c) The schemes for expansion submitted 
by some of the existing manufacturers ha' c 
either been approved or are under considera- 
tion of the Government. Letters of intent 


have also been issued to new entrepreneurs 
for setting up additional capacity for the 
manufacture of commercial vehicles. 

Meeting of Car Manufacturers with Officers 
of Ministry of Industrial Development re- 
garding Improvement in manufacture of Cars 

3270. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : 

SHRI N. K. SANGHI : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 
state 

(a) whether the representatives of the car 
manufacturers met the officers of his Mims- 
tiy and discussed ways and means to over- 
come the present defects in car manufactur- 
ing; and 

(b) if so the reaction of Government 
thereto 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir 

(b) The discussions with the car manu- 
facturers have been useful mas much as it 
has been possible to identify and pin-point 
the defects and to decide upon the remedial 
action required Government propose to 
continue the process of frequent discussions 
with the manufacturers and also initiate 
discussions with pnncipal ancillary suppliers. 

Issue of Licence for Manufacture of Tin 
Containers 

3271 SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of Tin container plants 
which have been issued CO.B. Licences 
during the current year (uptil 30th June, 
1)72) with ai an ul absciss i cmcity of 
1000 tons for the manufacture of Tin Con- 
tainers foi captive use; 



149 Written Answers 


BHADRA1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 150 


(b) whether he is aware that thsse units 
are not getting the tin plates with the results 
that the manufacturing capacity is lying 
idle; 

(c) whether any representations have 
been made to the Development Commis- 
sioner, Small-Scale Industries and D.G. 
Technical Development in his Ministry for 
assisting these plants to get the tin plates 
either from Hindustan Steel Limited or the 
Tin-plate Producers Consultative Committee; 
and 

(d) if so, the outcome thereof and the 
steps being taken to ensure the sanctioned 
capacity being utilised by these plants fully 
by the regular supply of quotas of tin-plates 
by the tin-plate producers ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) (a) (i) Messrs Premier Vege- 
table Products Limited, Jaipur, and 

f n) Messrs Bhavnagar Vegetable Products 
Limited, Bha\nagar (Gujaiat) 

(b) and (c) No, Sir 
(d) Does not ause 

Preparation of Radio-Pharinaceuticals by 
Isotope Division, Bhabha Atomic Research 
Centre 

3272 SHRIM KA l HAMUTHU . Will 
the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be 
pleased to state . 

(a) the progress made in regaul to the 
preparation of radio-pharmaceuticals by 
the Isotope Division of the Bhabha Atomic 
Research Centre; and 

(b) the expenditure so far incurred by 
the Centre in this respect? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 


AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRlMATI IN- 
DIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The Isotope 
Division of the Bhabha Atomic Research 
Centre has developed more than 50 radio- 
pharmaceutical products. Of these, 35 
are in regular production and are being 
regularly supplied to over 109 medical 
institutions in the country. As the work 
forms part of the overall development acti- 
vities of the Isotope Division, details of the 
expenditure incurred on the development 
and production of radio-pharmaceuticals 
are not separately available. 

Cost, of Watches made by H.M.T., Sri- 
nagar 

3273. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the watches produced at 
the Hindustan Machine Tools' watch manu- 
facturing unit at Snnagai will cost 25 to 
30 per cent more than those produced at 
Bangalore, and 

(b) if so, the results therefor 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). It is anticipated 
that the manufacturing cost of the watches 
to be produced at the Si inagar Unit of 
Hindustan Machine Tools would be some- 
what higher than that of the Bangalore 
Unit due to the following reasons : — 

b) Higher constiuclion cost; 

(u) Provision of Ccntial heating facili- 
ties in the factory as well as the re- 
sidential buildings for the stafT of 
the factory; 

(in) Higher transportation charges for 
movement of machinery, material 
and finished product; 



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(iv) Additional depreciation charges due 
to higher capital expenditure in the 
initial stages, 

(v) Increased operating expenses owing 
to higher cost of almost all consti- 
tuent elements like material, labour, 
power, transport, water and non-exis- 
tence of supporting industries in the 
vicinity 

Letter of Intent for Setting up of Cemen 
Plant in Mysore 

3274. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH MA- 
LIK ‘ Will the Minister of 1NDUSTR1AI 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIFNCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state 

(a) whether a letter of intent to start a 
cement plant has been issued to a private 
party in Mysore State, and 

(b) if so, the basis for issuing the letter 
of intent to the party } 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THI 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL Dl VF- 
LOPMENT (SHRI STDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) (a) Yes, Sir 

(b) The party fulfilled nccessaiy condi- 
tions for the grant of letter of intent The 
Government of Mysore and the concerned 
technical authorities also recommended thur 
request 

Handing over of Branch Post Offices to 
Panchayats on experimental basis 

3275 PROF NARAINCHAND PARA- 
SHAR Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to state 

(a) whether the P&T Department is plan- 
ning to hand over the Branch Post Offices 
to the Panchayats on an experimental basis, 

(b) whether such an experiment has been 
thed earlier in *any part of the country, 
and 

(c) if so, the result thereof? 


THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) - (a) 
A proposal broadly on these lines is being 
taken up for examination 

(b) A scheme called ‘the Panchayai Pos- 
tal Scheme’ was earlier launched on 2-10-63 
in the area of Supa in Poona District of 
Maharashtra State and was later extended 
to some more places in that state 

(c) The working cf the Panchayati Scheme 
presented the following diawbacks and 
practical difficulties — 

(i) Al times, difficulty was experienced 
in securing reliable men to work as 
Panchayati Postal Agents/Villagc 
Agents 

(n) Objections wcie voiced as the ad- 
diessees had to call on the Pan- 
cha>ati Postal Agents instead of the 
existing facility of door to door 
delivery 

(m) The s>stem of delivering the inti- 
mations (irst and the accountable 
articles later at the Panchayati 
Postal Centres was found to cause 
hardship to the aged and women 
addiessees 

C ompensatory Hill Allowance to employees in 
Ranipur Bushahar in Himachal Pradesh 

3276 PROF NARAINCHAND PARA- 
SHAR Will the Minister of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to state 

(a) whether the P&T employees of Ram- 
pur Bushahar in Himachal Piadesh have 
been demanding the payment ol Compen- 
sator} Hill Allowanee given to the employees 
at hill stations generally, and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government to 
this demand } 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) 

(a) Yes Sir 



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(b) According to the instructions issued 
by the Ministry of Finance which are ap- 
plicable to all Central Government employe- 
es including P&T employees. Compen- 
satory Hill Allowance is admissible at Hill 
Stations situate J at a height of 1,000 meters 
or more above sea level. The height of 
Rampur Bushahar is less than 1 ,000 meters. 
The allowance is, therefore, not admissible. 

Issue of Commemoration Stamps during 
1972-73 

3277. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PA- 
RASHAR : Will the Minister of COMMU- 
NICATIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Commemoration Stamps 
are proposed to be issued during the year 
1972-73; and 

(b) if so, the main proposals thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes, Sir 

(b) The programme for the years 1972 and 
1973 as drawn out till date is placed on 
the table of the House [Placed in Library. 
See No. ZT-3488/72]. 

25th year of India's Independence celebrations 
by P&T Department 

3278. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PA- 
RASHAR : Will the Minister of COMMU- 
NICATIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the P&T Department has 
drawn up any special plan to mark the 
25th year of Indian Independence; and 

(b) if so, the salient features of the 
plan? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) The salient features of the programme 
of celebrations in the P&T are 


(i) Issue of three special postage stamps 
on the occasion, one of them the 15th 
August, 1972. 

(ii) Issue of a newly designed aerogramme 
on Independence day. 

(lii) Introduction of PIN-Code— a scheme 
for streamlining and bringing effi- 
ciency in the sorting and despatch 
of postal articles from the 15th 
August, 1972. 

(iv) Providing a Community Hall in 
R K. Puram, New Delhi for P&T 
employees. 

(v) Intioduction of new Pass Book 
Covers amongst Post Office Savings 
Bank depositors. 

(vi) Provisions of newly designed let- 
ter boxes at a few places for better 
presentabihty and convenience. 

(vii) Commissioning of the Poona- 
Secunderabad microwave link during , 
the anniversary year. 

(vm) Opening of 300 telephone exchanges 
to provide 1,20,000 additional lines. 

(ix) Participation in the Asia Fair Exhi- 
bition during the year. 

(x) Non-closure of experimental Post 
Offices during the Independence an- 
niversary year. 

Problem of Monsoon conditions in India 
on Communication via Satellites 

3279. SHRI VISHWANATH PRA- 
TAP SINGH; Will the Minister of SPACE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the monsoon conditions in 
India pose special problems in communi- 
cation via satellites; and 

(b) if so, whether India has been able to 
solve these problems so far as our satellite 
programme is concerned? > 



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Written Answers 156 


THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI 
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). The 
particular configurations which will be em- 
ployed in conducting the country’s satellite 
programme will ensure that the monsoon 
conditions will not pose special problems 
so far as the programme is concerned. 

Development of Fluidlzed-Bed Type Reactor 

3280. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of ATOMIC 
ENERGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether, in view of many desirable 
characteristics of the fluidized-bed reactor, 
the Government have under consideration 
the development of this type of reactor; 
and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTRER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI IN- 
DIRA GANDHI) • (a) and (b). The flui- 
dized-bed type reactor is an advanced high 
temperature helium gas cooled leacior 
envisaging the use of thorium. This reactor 
concept involves the development of com- 
plex fuel fabrication and reprocessing tech- 
niques, and also of high temperature gas 
turbine technology. These areas require 
considerable development cflort in terms of 
both money and manpower, but are appli- 
cable mainly to this reactor concept only. 
Government is therefore not considering the 
development of the fluidized-bed type reac- 
tor at present. However, the molten salt 
eactor, which involves a reactor concept 


making more efficient use of thorium than 
the fluidized-bed reactor, is being studied 
as an adjunct of the fast breeder reactor 
programme. 

Hindustan Paper Corporation Ltd. 

3281. SHRI C. CHITTABABU : 

SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state the 
progress of work done by the Hindustan 
Paper Corporation Limited since its regis- 
tration on 29th May, 1970? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : The Hindustan Paper Corpora- 
tion has made the following progress in 
respect of the three projects it has in hand: 

Nagaland Pulp & Paper Project : 

A subsidiary company was registered on 
the 14th September, 1971. Land for the 
project has been acquired. Some engineer- 
ing staff etc is already in position and some 
staff quarters have also been constructed. 
The detailed project Report has been sub- 
mitted and is in the final stage of clearance 
by the Government. Arrangements for 
procurement of plant and machinery re- 
quired, have been taken in hand. The Na- 
tional Development Corporation, a public 
sector project, is being associated with the 
whole project as consultants and detailed 
design work etc. has been taken up. Train- 
ing of some prospective workers has also 
been arranged at the Institute of Paper Tech- 
nology at Saharanpur. Raw material sour- 
ces have been ensured and their suitability 
has been established. 

Assam Nowgong Project : 

The site for this project has been selected 
and a project cell has been set up in Assam. 



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BHADRA 1, 1894 ( SAKA ) Written Answers 158 


The detailed project report has been sub- 
mitted to Government and is under exami- 
nation. Meanwhile, the specifications for 
plant and machinery are being drawn up ‘ 
by the Corporation. Deep soil boring 
tests for load bearing factor of ihe area are 
being taken up through experts. Suitability 
of raw material available has been establish- 
ed and a long-term arrangement with the 
State Government is being negotiated. 
Other infra-structural requirements fer the 
project are also being arranged. 

Kerala Newsprint Project : 

The site has been selected and land ac- 
quisition proceedings are being finalised. 
Thi detailed project Report has been pre- 
pared and is under scrutiny by Government 
and is expected to be cleared shortly Deep 
boring tests for load bearing factors of the 
soil are being arranged. Raw material 
suitability has been established both in 
laboratory scale and in mill trial runs. 
Long-term lease for raw material and for 
other infra-structural requirements are 
being negotiated with the State Govern- 
ment. Training at the Saharanpur Ins- 
titute of future workers has been taken up. 

A Project Administrator is also being ap- 
pointed shortly. 

Manufacture of Gas Cylinders by Bharat 
Pumps and Compressors Limited, Naini 

3282. SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Bharat Pumps and Compres- 
sors Limited, Nairn has finalised the colla- 
boration arrangements for the manufacture 
of gas cylinders; 

, (b) if so, the broad outlines of colla- 
boration arrangement's arrived at; and 

<c) if not, the reasons for delay? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE* 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The 
Company have entered into a collaboration 
agreement with Messrs Showa Koatsu Kog- 
yo Company of Japan for the manufacture 
of High Pressure and Welded Gas Cylin- 
ders and Axle Tubes. The terms of the 
collaboration being in the nature of commer- 
cial transaction cannot be disclosed* 

(c) Does not arise. 

Tannery and Footwear Corporation of India 

3283. SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether raw material in sufficient 
quantities has been made available to the 
Tannery and Footwear Corporation of In- 
dia Limited Kanpur, so that^the extract 
plant can contribute a sizable value of pro- 
duction and sales; 

(b) whether sufficient quantities of sole 
leather cutting have been made available 
to the plant so that the production of leather 
board can reach its optimum level; and 

(c) if not, the steps being taken by Go- 
vernment in this direction? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) Tannery and Footwear Co- 
rporation of India Ltd. is not experiencing 
any difficulty in procurement of Myrabolan 
Nuts for the manufacture of Extract Pow- 
der. The production capacity of the Cor- 
poration is approximately 80 M, Tonnes 
per month on three shifts basis. However, 
the main difficulty m running three shifts 
in shortage of Coal owing to insufficient 
allotment of Coal wagons. Their normal 



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139 Written Ans&rs 


requirement is 25 wagons per month. Be- 
sides, power cut of the 25 % recently imposed 
all over U.P. State, has also affects adversely 
full utilisation of their plant capaci- 
ty. 

(b) and (c). The Leather Board Plant is 
running two shifts at present. Ihe Cor- 
poration is facing difficulty in procuring 
adequate quantity of Sole Leather cuttings 
which are in short supply. The shortage is 
due to decline in demand of leather sole 
shoes and the shift in consumers preference 
to rubber and synthetic sole footwear. 

Press Information Bureau’s role In 
the Development of Indian Press 

3284. SHR1 C. CHITT1BABU . Will 
the Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) how the Press Information Bureau 
achieves its objective of assisting the growth 
and development of the Indian Press as 
a free and independent forum; and 

(b) in what manner the Bureau serves 
the small and medium news-papers barring 
the items of service mentioned in the Minis- 
try’s Annual Report, 1971-72 ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) The growth and develop- 
ment of Indian Press as a free and inde- 
pendent forum is sought to be assisted 
mainly in the following ways : — 

(1) by providing facilities to newspapers 
and correspondents to receive official in- 
formation without discrimination of any 
kind ; 

(2) wherever possubl. by giving the 
Press direct access to sources of infer 
mation, acting as a link between the Press 
and the Government ; 

(3) by ensuring that the views, reac- 
tions and opinions expressed in the Press, 


all over the country, are conveyed to the 
Ministries and Departments concerned, 
recognising the role of the Press in reflect- 
ing public opinion ; 

(4) by providing facilities to accredited 
correspondents and cameramen to cover 
governmental activities as adequately and 
satisfactorily as possible ; 

(b) A statement giving the leqvisite 
information is attached. 

Statemlnt 

Press Information Bureau's services to 
small and medium Newspapers 

The Press Information Bureau supp- 
lies Press releases, feature articles and 
background notes to medium and small 
news-papers, particularly those published 
in the Indian language, day after day, 
in their own languages through its icgional 
and branch offices at the following 27 
centres, apart from its Headquarters at 
New Delhi . 

Calcutta, Madras, Bombay, Gauhati, 
Cuttack, Patna, Imphal, Agartala, 
Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Poona, Panji, 
Srinagar, Jammu, Jullundur, Lucknow, 
Varanasi, Bhopal, Jaipur, Cochin, F.r- 
nakuam, Hyderabad, Bangalore, 
Trivandrum, Rajkot, indore, Vijaya- 
wada and Shillong. 

The output of feature articles and photo 
features has been stepped up for the sake 
of the medium and small newspapers 
which cannot afford to engage qualified 
writers or to pay to other organisations 
for securing such material. A weekly 
digest of news is specially prepared for 
them and a special newsletter on develop- 
ment in science and technology is made avail- 
able to them in their languages. 

Representatives of small and medium 
newspapers are given facilities to visit 
development projects as menbers of con- 
ducted Press parties organised' by the 



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Bureau. Correspondents/Editors of these 
papers and of the smaller news agencies 
are invariably included in Press parties 
selected to accompany the President and 
the Prime Minister on their foreign tours 
The expenditure on travel and stay abroad 
of these representatives is wholly, or largely 
borne by Government 

Accreditation rules have been relaxed 
so that smaller newspapers are enabled 
to be represented by then coriespondcnts 
at Government of India's headquarters 
The rule regarding minimum circulation 
has been relaxed and m some cases the 
combined cuculalion of two or more small 
newspapers is taken into account if they 
ask for accreditation of a common represen- 
tative Twenty-five newspapers from diff- 
erent paits of the country, have availed 
of these relaxations so far 

Loans To Cotton Textile Industry b> 
Industrial Development Corporation 
Limited 

3285 SHRI C CH1TTIBABU : Will 
the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleaseed to slate the region- 
wise break-up of Ihc 67 loans to the tune 
of Rs. 1926 7 lakhs sanctioned by the 
National Industrial Developmcni Corpo- 
ration Limited to the Cotton Textile In- 
dustry ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : A statement is laid on the Table 
uf the House [Placed in Library . See 
Ho Lt. — 3489/72] 

Per Capita Investment for reducing 
Unemployment in the Country 

3286. SHRI VIKRAM MAHAJAN : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

7 


(a) the number of unemployed in the 
country ; 

(b) the steps being taken to reduce 
unemployment in the country ; and 

,(c) the proposed per capita investment 
for achieving that aim ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHAR1A) : (a) to (c). A state- 
ment is laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See Nv LT — 3490/72] 

Industries in backward area by larger 
Industrial Houses 

3287. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
RENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to stale: 

(a) the total number of industries, large- 
scale, medium and small-scale in the indus- 
trially backward areas of the country, 
licensed for being set up by Large Industrial 
Houses as listed by the monopolies Com- 
mission, 

(b) the total number of such industries 
licensed so far for backward areas and what 
percentage of them has been allocated to 
the Large Industrial Houses and how many 
of them have actually been set up and the 
sector-wise and product-wise, break-up of 
these industries since the inception of the 
backward areas industrialisation scheme; 
and 

(c) the capital investment in each type of 
industry classified product-wise and the 
assistance given for the purpose by public 
sector fihancmg institutions and the per- 
centage of this aid* which went to large 
Industrial Houses? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) Twelve licences have been issued 



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<Uder the Industrie# (Development and 
Regulation Act), 191ft, during the period 
1st August, 1970 to $pth June, 1972, to the 
Larger Houses'. 

(b) During the period 1st August, 1970 
to 30th June, 1972 a total of 75 industrial 
licences were issued for location of indus- 
tries in backward areas, 16% of which were 
in respect of the large industrial houses. 
Reports in respect of four of these units 
have been received to the effect that they 
have been set up. Details of all industrial 
licences issued by Government are regularly 
published in the “Weekly list of Industrial 
Licenoes, Import Licences and Export 
licences", the Weekly “Indian Trade Jour- 
nal" and the monthly “Journal of Industry 
and Trade”, copies of which are supplied 
to the Parliament Library. 

(c) A statement is giving, industry-wise, 
the investment involved in respect of the 
aforementioned 75 licences is laid on the 
Table of the House [Placed in Library. 
See No. LT — 3491/72]. Government assis- 
tance to private sector industries is generally 
given through the public financial Insti- 
tutions. No central record of assistance 
given company-wise to the holders of In- 
dustrial licences is being maintained. 

Uranium Reserves in Orissa 

3288. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased 
to state: 

(a) the uranium reserves in Orissa; and 

(b) other nuclear raw material reserves 
available in that State? 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI 
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) No deposits of 
Uranium have en found in Orissa. 


(b) Significant concentrations of moon* 
zite, alongwith other constituent minerals 
of beach sands have been located in certain 
parts of the coastal and deposits. A 
number of beryl bearing pegmatites hate 
also been found in Orissa. 

Statement made by Dr. K. N. Raj on 
Filth Plan targets 

3289. SHRI H. M. PATEL : Will the 
Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 
state: 

(a) whether attention of the Government 
has been invited to a statement made in 
Bombay by a well-known Economist, Dr. 

K. N. Raj, Chairman of the Ceirmitlce on 
Agricultural Taxation that the 5th Plan 
targets are unrealistic; 

(b) whether Government have studied 
the ext of Dr. Raj’s statement; and 

(c) if so, Government’s reaction thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The state- 
ment in question presumably refers to the 
Thirteenth Walchand Memorial lecture deli- 
vered by Dr. K. N. Raj before the Maha- 
rashtra Chamber of Commerce, Bombay 
on Monday, the 24th July, 1972. As 
regard Dr. Raj’s personal views contained 
therein, it may be pointed out that the pre- 
paratory work relating to the formulation 
of the Fifth Five Year Plan is in its initial 
stages and some clear picture about the 
Fifth Plan is likely to emerge only by the 
end of 1973. In the meantime, it would 
rather be premature to have any conclusive 
judgments on the issues under reference. 

Utilisation of letter of Intents 

3290. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH : Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether out of 42 Letters of Intent 
issued during 1967-70, only six have made 
some progress; 



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(b) if S0f the reasons for slow progress; 

(e) the total number of letters of intent 
issued in 1971; and 

(d) (he steps being taken to accelerate the 
progress in this regard? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). A statement showing 
the number of Letters of Intent and In- 
dustrial Licences issued during 1967, 1968, 
1969, 1970 and 1971 separately is enclosed. 
It is not clear from the question as to which 
set of 42 Letters of Intent it relates. 

(d) Government are taking steps to 
•constitute an “Implementation Committee” 
to review the position of implementation of 
letters of intent and licences issued under 
the Industries (Development and Regula- 
tion) Act; examine delays with the holders 
of such letters of intent and licences; iden- 
tify specific problems faced generally on 
particular industries which delay imple- 
mentation and evolve solutions for them; 
and take steps generally to expedite, matter 
relating to registration of units, allocation 
of raw materials, release of other scarce 
resources, etc. A system of comprehen- 
sive centralised record of the progress 
of each application is also being .worked 
out. 


Statement 


Year 

No. of 
letters of 
Intent 
issued 

No. of 
Licences 
issued 

1967 . 

246 

293 

1968 . 

154 

221 

1969 . 

334 

221 

1970 . 

438 

363 

1971 

1015 

625 


Total . 2187 1723 


CJU Ei 0*7 Mo Working of 
Pfatiore 

3291. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether any enquiry was made into 
the functioning of Hindustan Machine 
Tools, Piiyore (Haryana) by CB.I. and 
the report was submitted to Government 
in 1971; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(c) the action taken by Goveram&t 
thereon? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Tyre Factory in Public Sector 

3292. SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN : 

Will* the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: 

(a) whether tho proposal for setting up 
a tyre factory in public sector has since 
been finalised by Government; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(c) the funds earmarked for the purpose? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Government are con- 
sidering whether a Joint Venture by both the 
Central Government and the State Govern- 
ments could be set up for the manufacture 
of automobile tyres and tubes and also 
whether the technical know-how could be 
developed in a centralised agency. These 
proposal, however, are in very preliminary 
stages of consideratio n. 



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Allocation for mmnbfyi Development Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe 
in Industrie* Section Officers in C.S.I.R. 


3293. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minuter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND JECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state! 

(a) whether Government propose to raise 
allocation for research and development in 
industries in the Fourth Five Year Plan; 
and 

(b) if so, by how much? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) (a) and (b). The gaps in research 
and development in industries are being 
examined and the question of raising allo- 
cations for R & D wherevei necessary will 
be considered. A number of incentives 
have also been provided to intustrial firms 
in the private sector for R & D expenditure. 
Suitable measures for increasing support 
for R 8c D in the private sector are also 
being considered. 

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3295, SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR ; Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 
stale : 

(a) the total number of Section Officers 
in Council of Scientific and Industrial 
Research uplo June, 1972; 

(b) the number of Scheduled Caste and 
Scheduled Tribe Section Officers, separately; 

(c) whether Governmct propose to fill up 
the reserved quota by direct recruitment; 
and 

(d) if not, the icasons for not providing 
adequale icpiesentation to the Scheduled 
Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the above- 
mentioned cadi e 7 

THE MINISTER Ob INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA- 
N1AM) (a) 66 inclusive of 2 on deputation 
to other Otgamsations 

(b) 5 Scheduled Castes There is no 
Ofticei belonging lo Scheduled Tribes 

(c) Yes, Sii 

(d) Docs not anse. 

Supply of Drinking Water in Villages of 
Rajasthan 

3296. SHRI N K SANGHI ■ Will the 
Minisfei of PLANNING be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether by the end of the Fourth 
Five Year Plan, Rajasthan will stilt have 
20,898 villages with disease infected dunk- 
ing water or no water at all; 

(b) whethei the State Government has 
asked the Central Government for adequate 
financial assistance to initiate schemes for 
supply of drinking water to these villages; 
and 

(c) whether any scheme has been worked 
out; if so, the total outlay and the Centraj 



169 Written Answers BHADRA J, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 170 


help fought for and the Government’s 
reaction thereto? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE, 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRL 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) to (c). The rele- 
vant information is being obtained from the 
Rajasthan Government and will be placed 
on the Table of the House on receipt. 

Quality and Production of Cars 

3297 SHRI N. K SANGH1 : 

SHR1 N K P. SALVE . 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state. 

(a) whether Government are considering 
a proposal to permit the existing car manu- 
facturers to incicase their production, 

(b) whether Government's attention has 
been drawn to the N.CA V R estimate 
according lo which each commercial vehicle 
provides employment for an average 12 63 
persons; and 

(c) if so, the mam features of the decision 
taken in this regard ,} 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHLSHWAR PRA- 
SAD) (a) An application for grant of 
industrial licence for effecting expansion of 
production capacity has recently been 
received from one of the car manufacturers. 
It is under examination. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) No decision as such was called for. 
The employment potential of commercial 
vehicles has been kept in view while planning 
production of such vehicles. 

Recruitment To C.K.P. and C.LS.F. 
from Kerala 

3298. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI 
THANKAPPAN : 

SHRI V \YALAR RAVI : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to stale : 

(a) the strength of Central Reserve 
Police and Central Industrial Security 
Force in the country; and 


(b) the proportion of recruitment made 
from Kerala out of the total strength to 
these Forces? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI F.H. MOHS1N) : (a) The strength 
of the Central Reserve Police Force is 
60 duty battalions and 3 Signal battalions 
and the Central Industrial Security Force 
has 17 battalions. 

(b) The proportion of recruitment from 
Kerala m the Central Industrial Security 
Force is approximately 10 per cent. Infor- 
mation m respect of the Central Reserve 
Police Force is being collected and will be 
laid on the Table of the House. 

However the recruitment to these forces 
is not made State-wise. 

Retrospective Amendment of Temporary 
Service Rule-Objected to By J.C.M. 

3299 SHRI SM. BANERJEE : Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state . 

(a) whether after the Supreme Coun 
judgment on Rule 5 m the case of K.V. 
Gopinath Versus Union of India, Govern 
ment have issued a Notification amending 
Temporary Service Rule 5, retrospectively, 
from 1965; 

(b) whether this has been objeeted to 
by the staff side of the J CM.; and 

(c) whether Government are likely to 
withdraw the same in view of the growing 
discontent among the Central Govern- 
ment employees throughout the country? 

• 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS IN 
THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNFL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The general issues arising out of the 
Supreme Court judgment on the Central 



171 Written Answers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 172 


Civil Services (Tempontfy Service) Rules, 
IMS) in the case of Satior Superintendent 
R.M.S. Cochin and another versus K.V. 
Gopinath Sorter (AIR 1972 S.C. 1487) 
decided on 18th February, 1972 were 
examined in ail its aspects. The intention 
of the rule had been that a temporary 
employee whose services are terminated 
forthwith should not be deprived of his 
pay and allowances for the period of notice 
of one month or for the period for which 
the notice fell short of one month. This 
view was also confirmed by an earlier 
judgment of the Supreme Court in the case 
of State of Uttar Pradesh versus Dina 
Nath Rai (1969 Serv. L.R. 647). It has, 
therefore, been considered necessary, in 
view of the judgment of the Supreme 
Court in Gopinath’s case, to make this 
intention clear in unambigous terms. This 
has been done by amending the proviso to 
sub-rule(l) of Rule 5 of the Central Civil 
Services (Temporary Service) Rules, 1965, 
through Notification Number 4/2/72-F.sts 
(O dated the 23rd June, 1972. Under this 
amendment while a Government servant 
whose services are terminated under the 
Temporary Service Rules would get his 
pay and allowances for the period of notice 
or for the period for which the notice falls 
short of one month, it is not obligatory 
on the part of the competent authority to 
make this payment simultaneously with the 
service of the notice of termination. In 
view o the position explained abov e, the 
question of withdrawing the amendmen t 
does not arise. 

Inability Expressed by Members of National 

Coondl of J.CJVL to Continue further 
in view of Government’s Indifference 

3300. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state: 

t (a) whether the Staff side members of the 
Nation*! , Council of J.GM. had ex- 
pressed their inability to continue further 


in the National Council of J.GM. because 
of the Government’s indifference to some of 
their vital demands; and 

(b) whether this decision was taken at 
the meeting of the J.C.M. of the National 
Council held on 28th and 29th July, 1972 
and if so, the reaction of the Government? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : 
(a) and (b). At the meeting of the National 
Council (JCM) held on the 28th July, 1972, 
the Staff Side raised certain issues on whidh 
they wanted definitive replies from the 
Official Side. The Official side explained 
the position of the Government on all the 
issues. The Staff Side, however, stated 
that they were not satisfied with the replies 
given by the Official Side, and urged the 
Official Side to make a further statement in 
the Council on the next day, i.e., the 29th 
July, 1972, explaining definitively Govern- 
ment's position on each of the issues. 
Accordingly, these points were discussed 
again at length in the Council on the 29th 
July, 1972, when the Official position was 
further clarified. The Staff Side still ex- 
pressed dissatisfaction, and stated that 
unless Government gave clear cut decisions 
on the issues in question, the Staff Side 
would not continue further discussions, 
under the J.C.M. The Chairman of the 
Council, viz., the Cabinet Secretary; em- 
phasised the importance which Government 
attach to the smooth functioning of the 
J.C.M., because of which decisions had been 
taken in the past on various issued affecting 
the conditions of service and welfare of the 
employees, and explained that even in 
regard to the issues which the Staff Side 
raised at the meeting, the most feasible 
replies in the circumstances of the country 
had been given by the concerned Ministries/ 
Departments. There was no mala fide 
on the Official Side. It was unfortunate 
that the Staff Side found the replies un- 



173 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 174 


satisfactory* Government had to take an 
overall view of various matters, and while 
taking that view the wishes of the Staff 
Side on doubt play a part. Government 
could not, however, act on that considera- 
tion alone. The Official Side had to take 
into account the circumstances prevailing 
in the country. The matter could be 
examined further in due course. The 
Staff Side thereupon state that unless 
Government came up with quick and clear- 
cut decisions on the issues raised by them, 
no useful purpose would be served by con- 
tinuing discussions on other matters in 
the framework of the National Council 
of the Joint Consultative Machinery, 
though the various Committees set up 
by the Council to consider various items 
would continue to function as before. 

Tt is hoped that in the light of the ex- 
planations given and on further reflection 
on the utility and benefitsof a joint con- 
sultative mechanism, the Staff Side would 
continue to participate in the deliberations 
of the Council apart from participating in 
its Committees which they are already 
doing. 

U.P. Bihar Boundary Dispute 

3301. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI P. K. DEO : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Centre is likely to intervene 
in the matter of Uttar Pradesh-Bihar boun- 
dary dispute; 

(b) if so, the reason for the same; 

(c) whether there is disagreement in the 
stand of State Governments; and 

(d) whether both the State Governments 
have accepted for Central intervention? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
R H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (d). Perhaps the 
member has in view the boundary between 


Ballia district of Uttar Pradesh and Sinn 
and Shahabad districts of Bihar. This 
boundary has been demarcated tinder the 
Bihar and Uitar Pradesh (Alteration of 
Boundaries) Act, 1968 and then b no dis- 
pute regarding this matter. However, there 
had been complaints from some cultivators 
in the areas transferred under that Act 
from one State to the other that their rights 
over the lands are not receiving proper 
recognition by the authorities of the State 
to which the areas were transferred. The 
State Governments have been advised to 
take necessary remedial measures. 

Eastern Zonal Council Meeting 

3302. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a meeting of the Eastern 
Zonal Council presided over by the Prime 
Minister was held in July, 1972; 

(b) whether three Chief Ministers com- 
plained of tardy bank credit flow to their 
States, if so, the action taken in the matters; 
and 

(c) the other points discussed and deci- 
sions arrived at? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes Sir. 

(b) During the discussions on the scheme 
of small/marginal farmers and agricultural 
labourers, the Chief Ministers of West 
Bengal and Bihar *referred to the difficul- 
ties in regard to the flow of bank credit to 
share croppers/tenants. As stated in reply 
to Unstarred Question No. 2760 on 18th 
August, 1972, steps are being taken by the 
Ministry of Finance to ensure adequate 
organisational machinery to simpliiy lend- 
ing policies and procedures and to establish 
greater rapport with the State Governments 



175 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 1 76 


by active association of the banks with the 
various Co-ordination Committees. 

(c) A statement containing the list of the 
subjects discussed at the meeting of the 
Council is attached. Copies of the pro- 
ceedings of the meeting embodying the 
recommendations of the Council will be 
placed in the Library of Parliament, after 
the same has been finalised in consultation 
with the members of the Council 

Statement 

List of Subjects Discussed at the Last 
Meeting of the Eastern Zonal Council 

Item Subject 

No. 

1 2 

1. Settlement of the pre-merger co- 
operative dues consequent upon the 
transfer of territories from Bihar to 
West Bengal (Transfer of Territories 
Act, 1958). 

2. Ban on movement of foodgrains and 
enforcement of anti-smugghng measures 
with the cooperation oflhe neighbouring 
States. 

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4 Improvement of Barrpada-Rairangpur 
Tiring Haldipukhar Road and improve- 
ment of Bahalda-Chaibasa Road. 

5. Growing of Jute in the neighbouring 
States. 


6 Identification and accelerated develop- 
ment of backward dl-eas. 

7. Power. 

8. Scheme for small/marginal farmers and 
Agricultural Labourers. 

9. Primary Health Centres. 

10. National Malaria Fradication Pro- 
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11. Removal of domiciliary restriction on 
admission to educational institutions. 

12, Review of progress of implementation 
of the scheme of safeguards for linguis- 
tic minorities in the States of Eastern 
Zone. 

13 Measures for Plant Protection. 

14. Control of cattle-pox epidemic. 

15 Facility for practical training for engi- 
neenng degree and diploma holders. 

16 Review of action taken on the previous 
decisions of the Eastern Zonal Council. 

17. Date and place of the next meeting 
of the Eastern Zonal Council. 

18. Prevention of thefts and smuggling of 
sculptures and other cultural treasurers 

Robbery At Jabalpur Gun Factory 

3303 SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the 
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state whether a gang of robbers 
entered the Post Office at Jabalpur Gun 
Carnage Factory on the 9th July, 1972 and 
took away all the cash 7 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) : 
There was no incident on 9th July. 1972. 
However, on the 6th July, 1972 three out- 
siders entered the Jabalpur Gun Carriage 
Factory Post Office, assaulted and mur- 
dered the sub-postmaster and two clerks. 
No cash was looted 

Production of Watches in H.M.T., 
Srinagar 

3305. SHRI P GANGADEB : 

SHRI K LAKKAPPA : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whethei the new watch factory of 
Hindustan Machine Tools in Srinagar has 
started producing watches; 



1?7 Written Answers BH ADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 


(b) how far these watches are better 
than the watches produced elsewhere by 
H.M.T.; and 

(c) What will be the annual production ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) The quality of watches to be produced 
by the Srinagar watch factory would be on 
par with the quality of watches produced 
in the company's watch factory at Banga- 
lore. 

(c) The Annual production of the Sri- 
nagar watch factory by 1978-79 would be 
3,00,000 watches. 

Production in Machine Tools 
Corporation of India 

3306 SHRJ P GANGADEB : 

SHRI SHR1KISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Machine Tools Corpo- 
ration of India, a public sector undertaking, 
has achieved a fourfold increase in output 
in 1971-72, 

(b) if so, the total production of grinders 
and other equipments in 1970-71 and 1971- 
7 2 produced by the Corporation, and 

(c) whether the plant was set up in colla- 
boration with Czechoslovakia and if so, 
the assistance being provided by Czecho- 
slovakia to the Corporation? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) Yes, Sir The inciease was 
about 4 3 times 

(b) The production of Grinding Machines 
went up from 8 Nos in 1970-71 to 65 
Nos. in 1971-72. The other items produced 
are special accessories. Jigs, Tools and 


Fixtures etc., which are supplied to cus- 
tomers at their request at extra cost and are 
normally computed in terms of value. The 
value of production for these accessories 
etc. rose from Rs 8 89 lakhs in 1970-71 to 
Rs. 23.33 lakhs in 1971-72. 

(c) The Plant has been set up with the 
collaboration of Czechoslovakia who have 
r endcred assistance as under : — 

(i) Preparation of Detailed Project Re- 
port ; 

(n) Initial supply of Plant and Equip- 
ment ; 

(m) Furnishing of Technological Docu- 
* mentation in respect of certain 
grinders; 

(iv) Deputation of Czech experts for 
erection, commissioning of plant 
and start-up of production. 

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3310. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether many irregularities and mal- 
practices have come to the notice of Govern- 
ment regarding expenditure on Bangladesh 
refugees; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government 
to enquire into the matter and steps taken 
or proposed to be taken against persons 
responsible for such irregularities and mal- 
practices in expenditure on Bangladesh 
refugees? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). The requisite 
information is being collected and will be 
laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha by the 
Ministry of Labour and Rehabilitation 
due course. 

Successful LA.S. and I.P.S. Candidates 
diving the last three years 

3311. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of successful I.A.S. 
and I.P.S. candidates for last three years; 

(b) their break-up, State- wise; 

(c) employment. State-wise; and 

(d) the number of I.A.S. Officers employed 
in public sector undertakings? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- 
NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) :(a) 

Year Number of success- 

ful candidates appoin- 



ted to 



I.A.S. 

I.P.S. 

1969 

100 

65 

1970 

96 

53 

1971 

111 

58 


(b) and (c). Two statements giving the 
information are laid on the Table of the 
House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT — 
3492/72]. 

(d) 26. 

Proposal for Change in Existing 
system of Film Censors 

3312. SHRI C. K. JAFFAR SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
Government’s consideration to make 
changes in the present system of film censor; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : (a) and (b). The entire question of 
censorship of films has been examined by 
the Enquiry Committee on Film Censor- 
ship. The recommendations of the Com- 
mittee have been examined in consultation 
with the organisations and interests con- 
cerned. Decisions on the recommendations 
are likely to be taken shortly. 

Subscriber Trunk Dialling System for 
Southern States 

3313. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
SHRI K. SUBRAVELU : 

Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to 
introduce Subscriber’s Trunk Dialling Sys- 
tem in Southern States; and 

(b) if so, the salient features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) Subscriber Trunk Dialling facility already 
exists on 8 routes in the Southern Dialling 
States. This facility will be extended to 
other routes in a phased manner. 



181 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 182 


(b) The existing facilities permit inter- 
diaHing between the subscribers of Madras, 
Bangalore and Coimbatore 1 exchanges 
through a trunk automatic exchange. 
Trunk automatic exchanges have been 
planned for 6 other centres in Southern 
States. In addition, point to point sub- 
scriber dialling is available on Madras- 
Trichy, Madras-Chinglepet, Madurai-Trichy, 
Madras-Madurai and Ooty-Coimbatore 
routes. Point to point STD has been 
planned for 20 additional routes in the 
Southern States. 

Selection of Additional Districts for Promo- 
tion of Industries in Backward Areas 

3314. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the coverage of the Central 
Subsidy Scheme for promotion of industries 
in the backward areas has been extended 
and Centre has asked the State Governments 
to forward their proposals to Planning 
Commission for the selection of additional 
districts in addition to those already 
approved for the purpose of concessional 
future; and 

(b) if so, the main features of the pro- 
posals? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and(b). Yes, 
Sir. It has recently been agreed that within 
the framework of the criteria adopted for 
the selection of the districts/ areas to qualify 
for the Central scheme of 10% subsidy for 
promotion of industries in these districts/ 
areas, the coverage of the scheme may be 
extended from 2 to 6 districts/areas in the 
case of the States identified as industrially 
backward, and from 1 to 3 districts/areas 
in the case of the other States. A letter 
in this regard has been addressed to the 
Chief Ministers of all the States, requesting 
them for their proposals for selection of 


additional districts/areas. Proposals re- 
ceived from some of the State Governments 
are being considered. 

Creation of a New Postal Division fur 
Madhubani, Bihar 

3315. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :WHJ 
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether keeping in view the popula- 
tion, border with Nepal and lack of proper 
communication system due to floods it is 
proposed to turn Madhubani in Bihar as 
a new separate Postal Division; and 

(b) : f so, main features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA - 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
For the present it has been decided for 
administrative reasons not to bifurcate 
Darbhanga Division which includes Madhu - 
bani Revenue Sub-Division also. 

(b) The question does not arise. 

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Setting up of A Technology Service 
Centre by National Committee on 
Science and Technology 

3318. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of SCIENCE 
and TECHNOLOGY be pleased lo state 

(a) whether the National Committee 
on Science and Technology has any plan 
for setting up a Technology Service Centre; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features of the plan 
and its effect on the growth of industries 7 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- 
NIAM) : (a) and (bh The question of 
setting up a Technical Sei vices Centre 
which would conduct techno-economic 
review of patent literature and feed pro- 
mising hew ideas and know-how to Research 
and deveolpment Institutions, industries 
and enterpreneurs seeking new products 
is under consideration of the National 
Committee on Science and Technology. 
Such a measure is expected to result in 


numerous direct and indirect benefits 
such as avoidance of foreign know-how 
and collaboration in some cases, saving 
in cost of duplication of research, etc. 

Statement by Tamil Nadu Industries 
Minister Re: Industrial Policy 

3319. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA . Will the Minister of INDUS- 
TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether his attention has been diawn 
to the remarks made by the Tamil Nadu 
Industries Minister published in the Indian 
Express dated the 29th July, 1972 under 
the caption '‘industrial Policy Vague", 
and 

(b) if so, the icaclion of Government 
thereto 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR PRA- 
SAD) (a) and (b). Government are aware 
of the news item lefened to by the Honour- 
able Member Government's industrial |>o- 
liey is not vague; n lavs down clear guide- 
lines calculated to promote rapid indus- 
trial growth consistent with our socio- 
economic objectives. 

Incentive for qualifying in Devanagri 
Telegraphy 

3320 SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMMU- 
NICATIONS be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether Government are giving any 
incentive to the officials who qualify in 
Devanagri telegraphy ; and 

fb) if so, the number of such officials 
who are getting the benefits and the total 
amount thus granted ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): 
(a) Yes. Sir. The telegraphists and Postal 



II B5 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1*1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 186 


Signallers are eligible tot one advance 
increment when they qualify in Hindi Morse 
arid another advance increment when they 
qualify in Hindi Teleprinter. This is 
made effective from 1-1-1970. 

(b) The particulars are being collected 
from the Subordinate units concerned and 
will be placed on the Table of the House. 

Protest Day Observed by Muslim League 

and other muslim organisations against 
Passage of Aligarh Muslim 
University Bill 

3321. SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Muslim League and 
other Muslim Organisations observed 16lh 
June, 1972, as a protest day against the 
passage of the Aligarh Muslim University 
Bill throughout the country, and 

<b) if so, the reaction of the Government 
of India in this regard ,} 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) . (a) In response to a 
call given by the Aligarh Muslim University 
Old Boys' Convention Council, the Muslim 
League and the Muslim Majlis, 16th June, 
1972 was observed a; a piotesl day against 
the Aligarh Muslim University (Amend- 
ment) Act, 1972 in several parts of the 
country 

(b) Government feel that the agitation 
is based on a misconception of the Act and 
is completely uncalled for 

Joint Sector for participation by Finan- 
cial Institutions in Major Projects 

3322. SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether the joint sector envisaged 
earlier for a greater degree of managerial 
participation by financial institutions in 


case 6f major projects has been described 
in official and non-official circles as a virtual 
non-starter; 

(b) whether the attention of Govern- 
ment has been drawn to a report published 
in the 'Economic Times’ dated 1 Uh June, 
1972 in this connection; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) to (c). Government are aware 
of the news item referred to by the Honour- 
able Member The ‘joint sector’ concept 
envisaged by the Government has not 
failed. 

Industrial Survey of Districts 

3323 SHRI BAKSl NAYAK : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided 
to survey every District of India to deter- 
mine Us industrial potential; 

(b) if so, the time by which the survey 
work is likely to be started; and 

(c) the extent to which such a survey 
would help boost industrial activities in 
the country 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI S1DDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) to (c). As part of the general 
strategy of development, surveys of dis- 
tricts have been undertaken by the Small 
Scale Industries Development Organisation 
and other bodies. Reports of surveys 
conducted by the Small Scale Industries 
Development Organisation are forwarded 
to the State Governments who take further 
action to promote new small enterprises 
having scope for development. These 
small scale units are also assisted in expan- 
ding, diversifying and modernising their 
production. 



187 . Written Answers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Amm 188 


Anfataac e to$anU Scale Sector 

3324. SHRI B/JcSI NAYAK : Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have effected 
some changes in the pattern of assistance 
to the small scale sector; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(c) the extent to which the small scale 
sector is likely to be benefited consequently ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- 
SAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Recommendations of British Forensic 
Expert Re : Development of Forensic 
Medicine For Criminological 
Research in India 

33 25. SHRI INDRAJTT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a British Forensic expert 
was invited to India in early 1972 to advise 
Government of India regarding the deve- 
lopment of Forensic Medicine for crimi- 
nological research;- 

(b) if so, the nature of this main recom- 
mendations and action taken thereon; and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
include members of different branches of 
Forensic Science in the Central Advisory 
Committee of Forensic Science and the 
Institute of Crimindiogy aqd Forensic 
Science, which are at present mainly police- 
oriented ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS : 
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN ; (a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) The main recommendations made by 
the expert are— 

(i) All the forensic laboratories in 
India should be taken over from 
State control and put under the 
Cential administration. 

(ii) The pay scales of the Scientists 
working in these laboratories should 
be improved. 

(iii) The structure of these labors' 
tories should be reoiganised to pro- 
vide better incentive for work. 

(iv) The Chemical Analysers’ Labors, 
tories should be amalgamated with 
the Forensic Science Laboratories. 

(c) The Central Advisory Committee on 
Forensic Science is being replaced by a 
Standing Committee on Forensic Science 
to be set up under the Police Research and 
Development Advisory Council. 

This Committee will consist mainly of 
Forensic Experts. There are only two po- 
lice officers in the Institute of Criminology 
and Forensic Science, the remaining staff 
consisting of academicians and Forensic 
Experts. 

Promotion of Gass TV Employees to the 
Grade of Lower Division Clerics 

3326. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
the consideration of Government to promote 
Class IV Employees after rendering a cer- 
tain period of service and considering 
qualifications to the grade of Lower Divi- 
sion Clerks ; 

(b) whether Government have received 
any memorandum fot promotion of Gfcss 
IV Employees as Lower Division Clerks ; 
and 

(c) if so, the action taken by Government 
thereon 7 



189 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 190 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL 
(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). Memotanda are being re- 
ceived occasionally from Class IV employees 
for their promotion as Lower Division 
Clerks. The position in this regard is that 
Class III is not a promotion post for Class 
IV employees as the nature of duties of the 
two posts are altogether different and as the 
experience in the Class IV posts would not 
be of any value in the LDCs post. How- 
ever, with a view to giving an opportunity 
to educationally qualified Class IV emplo- 
yees for entry into Class III posts, a number 
of concessions have been provided under 
which such Class IV employees can regis- 
ter their names with the Employment Ex- 
change for Class III posts and on nomi- 
nation by the Employment Exchange, they 
can be considered for appointment to such 
posts after giving weightage of age relaxa- 
tion to the extent of their service in Class 
IV, they can also be considered for appoint- 
ment in Class III in the offices in which they 
are working even though their names may 
not be amongst those sponsored by Employ- 
ment Exchange. In addition, reservations 
have also been provided for Class IV em- 
ployees to the extent of 10% of the vacan- 
cies in the posts of Lower Division Clerks 
to be filled on the basis of a test confined 
to Class IV employees who have put in at 
least five years of service in a Class IV 
post possess matriculation or equivalent 
qualification and who are 45 years of age 
(50 years for Scheduled Castes and Sche- 
duled Tribes). This scheme is not appli- 
cable to Railways, P&T and the Indian 
Audit & Accounts Department who have 
their own schemes for appointment of their 
Class IV employees to Class III posts. 

the light of the facts stated above, 
it is not proposed to take any further action 
in this matter. 


Disturbed Area earmarked in T riptmi 

3327. SHRI SIREN DUTTA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be phased 
to state : 

(a) whether any area has been declared 
as disturbed area in Tripura ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) for what period this will remain as 
disturbeS area ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI F.H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (c). Facts 
are being ascertained from the Government 
of Tripura. 

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191 Written Answer^ 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 192 


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3330 SHR1 RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 

SHRICK JA1TFR SHAR1FT • 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMFNI AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to slate. 

(a) whether some closed factories of 
cement in Japla (Bihar) have started func- 
tioning recently , and 

(h) if so, the total daily production of 
those factories in tonnes 9 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT SHRI SI DDE! FISH WAR 
PRASAD) • (a) Yes, Sir. Sonc Valley Port- 
land Cement Company at JarJa (Rj ) 
which stopped pioduction on the 1st May, 
1^71, restarted its pioduction from the 
5th July, 1972. 

(b) The daily average production of cement 
at this factory for the period from 5th July, 


% tyft (s*T) fan tftfar tonnes. 


J972 to 13th August, 1972 is about 298 



193 Written Answers BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


'Written Answers 194 


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n? narmn n T<r-*rat («ft tjno trjo Rts- 
fnn) • (p) n (n). st-t n -mi pp n 
pi? mT"n t f nfi s i tt arfaifr pr 
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r rr r 'iPT p tk-t if m pt n<7 st nVnrrnf 
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P Pr’ T n 'i pi ppp fpnr nni 1 1 

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fin n p'-tp f p-n n^s prp f<rr jr 
& fp nlmr nr T q {pnr nr *nfn: p nntfafrr 
stpw pt ni i 

Inflated Telephone Bills 

3332 SHRI RAMAVATAR SIIASTRI : 

DR KARNI SINGH • 

Will the MinMci of COMMUNI- 
CATIONS be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether Governinent are aware of the 
faet that the problem of in Hated telephone 
bills still continues, even after the matter 
was discussed several times in Parliament , 
and 

(b) if so, the steps Government piopose 
to take to put an end to this scandal ? 

41 LSS72 — 9 


THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. The allegation continues 
to be made by a very small percentage of 
the subscribers specially in the Capital. 

f# 

(b) The Committee of Petitions while 
examining a petition from some of the 
Delhi subscribers have recommended that 
an expert committee consisting of, among 
others, independent, technical accounts 
experts should be appointed by the Govern- 
ment to examine the working of Delhi 
Telephones with particular reference to its 
billing system, workinc of the STD system, 
procedure for investigation into com* 
plaint s of over-billing and suggest cfTective 
moasuics to streamline the working of 
Delhi Telephones and to remove the causes 
of excessive billing at eai hest The appoint- 
ment of the committee is pending clearance 
fiom the Estimates Committee, which also 
proposes to look into the estimates of the 
Ministry of Communications 

Sabotage Activities b> certain Anti-So- 
cial and Anti-National Elements In Jammu 
and Kashmir 

3331 SHRI PILOOMODY . Will the 
Minisicj of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to state 

fa) whether thcie have been cases of 
sabotage activities on the part of certain 
anii-social and anti-national elements in 
various parts of Jammu and Kashmir din- 
ing the last thiec months ; 

(b) if so, the ria'ure thereof ; and 

(c) -whether any watch is being kept on 
such activities and if so, the result thereof ? 

THE. PRIMF MINISTER , MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
El ECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMA- 
TION AND BROADCASTING AND 
MINISTER OF SPACE (SHR1MATI 
INDIRA GANDHI) : (a) and (b). 



] 95 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23* 1972 


Written Answers 196 


The State Gov^SShment have reported 
that in June, 1972 an underground 
subversive cell came to notice whose 
intension was to attack lone Army and 
Police guards as well as vital installations. 
The concerned persons have been appre- 
hended and detained. 

(c) The security agencies of the Central 
and Sta'e Governments are vigilant in this 
regard. 

Development of Ladakh 

3334. SHRI KUSHOK BAKUIA : 
Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Ladakh region in Jammu 
and Kashmir is the most backward area 
economically, educationally and indus- 
trially; 

(b) whether any proposal to declare this 
region as scheduled area under the pro- 
visions of the Constituation and to extend 
all possible help, financial or otherwise, 
to develop the region; and 

(c) if so, when and if not, the reasons 
therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) The 

Ladakh region in Jammu and Kashmir 
is backward e.onomically, industrially 
and educationally. 

(b) and (c) . The constitutional pro- 
visions relating to scheduled areas do not, 
at present, apply to Jammu and Kashmir. 
However, the real problem is to accelerate 
the economic development of this region 
and Government are making all possible 
efforts towards this end. Investments for 
the Ladakh region during various plan 
periods have steadily been increased. A 
statement is attached. 


Statement 

Programmes in Ladakh on which special 
attention is being given include construction 
of roads, rural electrification, development 
of wool and sheep, improvement of edu- 
cational and health centres, construction 
of Stakna Hydel project and development 
of horticulture. Investments made in 
Ladakh since the beginning of the First 
Plan are as under 


First Five Year Plan 

(Rs. in 
Lakhs) 

2.41 

Second Five Year Plan 

8.54 

Third Five Year Plan 

143.80 

1966-67 .... 

56.72 

1967-68 .... 

31.42 

1968-69 . 

44.33 

Total : 

287.22 


For the Fourth Plan an outlay of 
Rs 6 crores has been approved for Ladakh 
region During the first three years a sum 
of Rs. 2.48 crores would have been spent. 
Progress has been particularly good under 
minor irrigation and power sectors. 

Request made by Government of Gujarat 

or a Licence to set up a Project for the 
Manufacture of T.V. sets 

3335. SHRI FATES1NGHRAO GAEK- 
WAD : Will the PRIME MINISTER be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Union Government have 
received any application from the Govern- 
ment of Gujarat for a licence to set up t pro- 
ject for the manufacture of television sets, 
if so, the outlines of the scheme ; and 

(b) whether the Central Government 
have since examined the application , and 
if so, the decision taken thereon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI K. C. PANT) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Docs not arise. 



19? Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894(5^/1) 


Written Answers 198 


Setting up of a T.V. Station At Baroda 

3336. SHRI FATE SINGH RAO GAEK- 
WAD : Will the Minister of INFOR- 
MATION AND BROADCASTING be 
pleased to state whether Government pro- 
pose to set up a T.V. Station at Baroda 
during the current year ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR 
SINHA) : No. Sir. 

Utilisation of letters of intent issued to 
State Industrial Development Corporations 

3337. DR. RANEN SEN : 

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : 

Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- 
VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TE- 
CHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the news item appearing in 
the ‘Hindustan Standard’, Calcutta dated 
the 26th July, 1972 that a large number of 
letters of Intent remain unutilised by some 
State Industrial Development Corporations; 

(b) if so, the names of such States and the 
reasons for non-utilisation ; and 

(c) the steps taken to remedy the situa- 
tion ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHW AR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c) . Yes, Sir. 

Government are aware that progress 
in the implementation of letters of 
intent issued in favour of the State 
Industrial Development Corporations 
needs to be accelerated, particularly in 
view of the important role expected to be 
played by these Corporations in the setting 
up of new industries. The mattei has been 


taken up with all the State Chief Ministers^ 
They have been requested to review the pro- 
gress personnaly and inform this Ministry 
of the reasons for delay, if any, and to 
bestow close and continuous attention tc 
the implementation of these projects act 
removal of local bottlenecks. Hie replies 
of the Chief Ministers are being received, 
whereafter the progress of individual pro- 
jects will be assessed, reasons for delay and 
bottlenecks identified and remedial steps, 
if required, taken. 

Revision of Telephone Tariff policy Regard- 
ing Distance for Local Calls in Rural Areas 

3338. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY J 
Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 
TIONS be plased to state : 

(a) whether Government are considering 
revision of Telephone Tariff Policy to classi- 
fy areas up to 20 KMs. radious from the 
District Headquarters or Taluq Head- 
quarters Exchanges as local areas within 
which all calls would be charged for as 
local calls ; and 

(b) if not, whether Government propose 
to consider such a revision in rural interests? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNI- 
CATIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) No, Sir. 

(bl No, Sir, not for the present. 

Setting up of a Censor Board [for Films 
at Hyderabad 

3339. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of INFORMATION! 
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether Government of Andhr* 
Pradesh has renewed its plea to Centra 
Government to reconsider its decision in 
regard to setting up of a Censor Board for 
Films at Hyderabad ; and 



199, Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 200 


(b) if so, the reaction of Government 

thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BRO VDCASTING (SHRI DHARAM 
BIR SINHA) : (a) No further communi- 
cation on this subject has been received 
from the State Government since 
December 1970. 

(bl Attention is invited to the replies 
given in this House to the Unslarred ques- 
tions Nos. 2521 dated 1-12-71 and 6543 
dated 17-5-72 that the number of films 
produced in the region docs not justify 
opening of a regional office of the Central 
Board of Film Censors at Hyderabad 
This position remains unchanged. 

Charges against Rehabilitation Official 
in Tripura 

3340 SHRI BIREN DUTTA ■ Will 
the Minister of HOME AFF MRS be pleased 
to state : 

fa) whether Central Vigilance Commis- 
sion have started enquiry into alleged cor- 
ruption by Rehabilitation Department offi- 
cial in Tripura ; and 

(b) if so, what are their findings ? 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THL 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
(SHRI F. H MOHSIN) : (a) and 

(b). According to the information 
received from the Department of 
Rehabilitation, the Central Vigilance Com- 
mission is not making any enquiry into the 
alleged corruption by Rehabilitation Depart- 
ment officials in Tripura. However the 
Central Bureau of Investigation is 
making an enquiry into the allegations re- 
lating to malpractices in the construction 
of refugee huts in North Tripura, In view 
of the complex nature of the case, investi- 
gation is likely to take about six months. 


Publishing of “Yojana” in Tehigu or 
Kannada, 

3341. SHRI P. NARASTMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be 
pleased to state : 

fa) the reasons why the Planning Com- 
mission's journal “Yojana” is not being 
published in Tclugu and Kannada; and 

(b) whether Government would undei- 
takc to do so expeditiously? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO- 
HAN DHARIA) : (a) Government has em- 
barked on a programme of bringing out the 
editions of Yojana in oui majoi languages 
in a phased manner. This is because of the 
obvious difficulties of bringing out all the 
editions at once 

(b) As part of this piogrammc, it is pro- 
posed to bung out the Tclugu edition during 
1972-^3 Preliminary anangemcnU ic- 
gaiding financial allocation, office accommo- 
dation, cditonal and service stall*, and otliei 
requiiements of ihe Kannada edition will 
be taken in hand during 1973-74 

Range of Delhi T.V. Station 

3342 Dr KARNI SINGH ■ Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) the piescnt iangc of the Delhi TV. 
Station; 

(b) whether Government propose to in- 
crease its range so that people living in 
distant areas may also benefit; and 

(c) if so, when and to what extent? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM 
BIR SINHA) : (a) 60 Kilometres. 

(b) and fc). The present range of Delhi 
TV Centre is proposed to be increased to 
about 90 kms around Delhi by raising the 



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BHADRA l 9 \m (SAKA) 


Written Answers 202 


power of the existing transmitter and the 
height of the antenna. A relay transmitter 
is also proposed to be installed at Mus- 
soorie for relaying Delhi programmes. This 1 
will have an independent range of 165 kms. 
The entire project is expected to be complet- 
ed by the middle of 1975. 

Erratic readings by Telephone Call 
Recording Machines 

3343 OR KARNI SINGH . Will the 
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to slate : 

(a) whcthci the telephone calls lecoiding 
machines paiticularly of t: link tails luve of 
late been giving erratic readings; 

(b) if so, the quantum of loss occasioned 
to the subscribers; and 

(c) the steps Government propose to lake 
to compensate the telephone subscribers 
on this account' 7 

Till. MINIS TLR Oh COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHR1 H N BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
No, Sir 

(b) and (c) Question docs not arise 

Tenure of J.P.S. Officers on Deputation 
to Ministries. 

3344 SHRI VI JAY PAL SINGH .Will 
the Minister of HOME Af FAIRS be pleased 
to state . 

(a) the names of Mmislues/Dcpratments 
in which officers of the Indian Police Ser- 
vice have been brought on deputation for 
appointment as Deputy Dircctois/Directois/ 
O S.Ds , Vigilance Divisions/Scetions; 

(b) whether any tenure has been fixed 
for appointment of such deputationist l.P.S. 
Officers against the above posts, if so, what; 

(c) whether some of these deputationist s 
have stayed in one Ministry for more than 
5-6 years if so, the reasons for their con- 
tinued stay; and 


(d) the steps Government propose to take 
to fix the tenure of deputation and appoint- 
ment of such officers in one Miitfstry/De- 
partment to ensure healthy administration 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN)- (a) to (d). The informa- 
tion is being collected. 

Select list of Central Secretariat Service 
Selection Grade Officers for appointment 
as Joint Secretaries submitted to 
P.M. Secretariat 

3345. SHRI VJJAY PAL SINGH : Will 
the .PRIME MINISTER be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether a select list of Central Secre- 
tariat Seivice Selection Grade Officers for 
appointment as Joint Secretaries was sub- 
mitted by the Establishment Board to the 
Prime Minister's Secretariat for appiovai 
in Fcbruaiy, 1972; 

(b) whether the select list has not yet 
been approved; and 

(c) it so, the reasons for the delay and 
when it is expected to be released? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 
AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF 
PI RSONNEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS 
M1RDHA) : (a) A suitability list was pre- 
pared by the Senior Selection Board in 
February, 1972 and was submitted /or the 
approval of the Prune Minister in middle 
of March, 1972. 

(b) and (c). The mattei is under consi- 
deration 

Scooter Plant at Lucknow. 

3346. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI: 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the primary purpose of setting 
up the proposed giant Scooter Plant at Luck- 
now with foreign equnty participation by 



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AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 204 


Innocenti of Italy..# to supply the domestic 
market; and 

(b) if so,' the reasons why Government 
have gone for foreign collaboration with 
equity participation, when there was enough 
scope for expanding production in the exis- 
ting scooter plants in India? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The proposals to 
set up a joint sector project and to grant 
expansion to the existing manufacturers 
arc not mutually exclusive. The existing 
gap between demand and supply for scooters, 
the growth of demand in future and the 
prospects of export of scooters will provide 
sufficient scope for expansion of the exist- 
ing units and the setting of a new project in 
the joint sector. The Government have, 
therefore, decided to set up a Scooter Pio- 
ject in the Joint Sector by acquiring the en- 
tire scooter manufacturing plant of M/s. 
Jnnocenti at Milano, Italy, on “as is where 
is" condition, together with the drawings, 
designs and technical data for the manu- 
facture of the latest models of Lambretta 
scooters. The project envisages export of a 
part of its production. 

Participation by the Indian firm and the 
Italian firm will bring to the project the 
benefit of the experience of both of them in 
management and production techniques and 
result in the speedy implementation for 
the project. 

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Reorganisation of Engineering Division in 
Orissa Circle 

3352. SURF ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas- 
ed to state : 

(a) whether re-organisation of Engin- 
eering Divisions and Sub-Divtsions in 
Orissa Circle have since ljeen completed; 

(b) if not, when the re-organisation is 
likely to be completed; and 

(c) whether a new Engineering Division 
for Balasore is proposed to be sanctioned? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) Yes, Sir. 



207 Wriften ^tnswers AUGUST 23, 1972 Written Answers 208 

(b) Does not drtee. BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM 


(c) No, Sir. Balasore will continue to 
be Sub-Divisional Headquarters. A new 
Telegraph Engineering Division at Bhub- 
neshwar and four new Telegraph Sub-Divi- 
sions at Keonjhar, Jeypore, Titlagarh and 
Jhasuguda are being created in Oiissa Or- 
cle. 

Extension of Head Post Office Building at 
Bhadrak, Balasore, Orissa 

3353 SHRI ARJUN SET III Will the 
Minuter of COMMUNICATIONS he 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the proposed extension to the 
existing Head Post Office building at Bhad- 
rak, Balasore, Orissa has been completed, 

(b) if not, the bottlenecks that arc hold- 
ing up the speedy completion; and 

(c) whether the amount sanctioned foi 
the project has since been released? 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H.N. BAHUGUNA) . 
(a) Administrative approval and expendi- 
ture sanctioned for the woik for a sum of 
Rs. 2,54,250 /- has since been issued The 
work is budgted for the year 1973-74 

(b) and (c) The case is being piocessed 
to ensure that the work is taken up in early 
1973-74. 

Expansion of Air Station nt Cuttack, Orissa 

3354. SHRI ARJUN SETHI . Will the 
Minister of INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING be pleased to slate : 

(a) whether proposed expansion of A I R. 
Cuttack, Orissa lias been taken up now; 
and 

(b) if so, the time by which the expansion 
work is likely to be completed? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 


BIR SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The target dates for the completion 
of the installations at Cuttack are as follows : 

(0 High Power Transmitter — March, 
1974 

(u) Pcimanent Studios— June, 1975. 

Idle capacity in Tractor Industry 
SHRI RAM PRAKASH Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SC1LNCE AND IECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to suite . 

(a) whether tractor industry m the coun- 
try is under the gup of icccssion, having low 
capacity utilisation and shaip iall in pro- 
fits and piohtdbiiny, and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ,} 

I he DIPUTY MINISIIR IN THE 
MINISTRY Ol INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHT SHWAR 
PRASAD) (a) At present there is a set- 
back in demand lot U actors and some of the 
factories are woiking below capacity. 

(b) Government feel that this is a tem- 
porary phenomenon and that the demand 
foi tiactors will pick up in the coming years. 

Production in Kliadi and Village 
Industries 

3356 SHRI RAM PRAKASH Will the 
Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- 
LOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether (here has recently been de- 
cline in the production in Khadi and Village 
Industries; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor? 

THE DLPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) . (a) Nor, Sir. 

(b) Docs not arise. 



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BlrlADRA 1,1894 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers 210 


H.M.T. Automatic Watches. 

3357. SHRI B.K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether H M.T. has started manu- 
facturing automatic watches; and 

(b) if so, the expected annual pioduclion 
thereof and the tune by which they arc like- 
ly to be made available to public and at 
what cost 9 

THE DLPUIY MINISTi R IN THL 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DI"VL- 
LOPM I: NT (SHRI SI DDH L S H W A R 
PRASAD) (a) H M F has just mailed 
assemb’v of automatic day and date wiisi 
watches and the first phase of manufacluic 
of components will be started shortly 

(b) The annual pioduction of automatic 
day and date wnst watches by the watch 
factory (Factory No II) at Bangalore would 
be 2,00,000 wnst watches by 1977-78. 
During the year 1972-73 the company’s 
watch factory No II at Bangaloie will 
assemble 20,000 automatic day and date wrist 
watches out of unpoited components 
These walchcs are expected to be released 
foi sale at a price of Rs. 300/- per watch 
exclusive of taxes duiing October, 1972 

Kcorgam/atinn of the Directorate of 
Technical Development. 

3358. SHRI B K. DASCHOWDHURY 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL Di"\ F- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY he pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have chalked 
out any ptogramme to reorganise the Dnec- 
toralc of Technical Development, if so, the 
reasons therefor; and 

(b) the steps taken by Government in 
this regard and the progress achieved 9 


THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SJDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Request made by Electronic Division of 
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for a Licence 
to produce Television Receivers rejected by 
Electronics Commission 

3359. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will 
the PRIM l MINIS! ER be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the icqucst made by the Elec- 
t ionics Division of the Hindustan Acionau- 
rics Limdcd, for a licence to produce tele- 
vision icceivers was rejected by the Electro- 
nics Commission; 

(h) if so, the grounds on which the icquest 
was rejected; 

( c ) whcthei the Hindustan Aeronautics 
Limited has renewed its request for the li- 
cence, and 

(d) if so, whether the Electronics Com- 
mission is likely to icconsider its earlier 
decision in this icgaid? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINIS I RY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 
K C PANE) (a) and (b) In response to a 
Ei css Note issued by the Department invit- 
ing applications fiom piospcctive entre- 
picncuis to set up a total capacity of over 
2,00,000 TV sets per year Hindustan Aero- 
nautics Ltd . Hvdeiabad (HAL), a wholly 
Cenlial Government owned Public Sector 
Undertaking, had also applied along with 
others for manufacture of television sets 
and TV components. The Electronics 
Commission aftci taking into account ail 
aspects of the case recommended to the 
I iccnsmg Committee rejection of the appli- 
cation of HAL for the nfan ufac l ure of TV 
sets for the following main reasons ■ — 

(i) Ilcctronics Corporation of India 
Ltd , Hyderabad (LC1L), also a 
wholly Central Government owned 



211 Wrlten 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 212 


Public Sector 'Undertaking, has been 
licensed for * capacity of 20,000 
TV sets per annum; this was mainly 
because ECIL had earlier been li- 
censed for manufacture of Closed 
Circuit TV systems, (CCTV) and 
TV sets for the Satellite Instructional 
and Television Experiment (SITE) 
programme. ECIL produces elec- 
tronic items of a general nature and 
has a marketing/sales organisation 
being developed for this. 

(ii) Andhra Pradesh Small Scale Indus- 
tries Development Coi poration, a 
wholly owned State Government 
Undertaking, has been accorded 
approval for manufacture of 5,000 
T.V. sets per annum. This was to 
support the Small Scale Sector in 
Andhra Pradesh. 

(iii) No TV Station is planned to be set 
up in Andhra Pradesh in the Fourth 
Plan Period. A capacity of 25,000 
sets has been sanctioned for produc- 
tion in Andhra Pradesh out of a total 
capacity of 2,28,000 sets sanctioned 
for the whole of India. 

HAL Hyderabad manufacture highly 
sophisticated electronics equipments at 
present entirely for defence purposes. A 
letter of intent has been given to them for 
manufacture of special TV components which 
involve sophisticated technology. 

(c) and (d). HAL’s renewed request for 
the licence for manufacture of TV sets is 
under the consideration of the Electro- 
nics Commission. 

« 

Committee to examine Government Policy 
on Advertisements 

3360. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY : Will 

the Minister of INFORMATION AND 

BROADCASTING be pleased to state : 

% 

(a) whether there have been frequent 
complaints from newspapers regarding 


Government’s policy on advertisements » 
and 

(b) if so, whether Government intend to 
appoint a Committee to examine the present 
policy on advertisements? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM 
BIR SINHA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Shortage of Raw Materials in Small Scale 
Industries. 

3361 SHRI S A. MURUGANATNHAM * 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased lo state : 

(a) whether stoppage of production or 
undor-ui ihsatioa of capacity in several 
large units is posing a problem to ihousands 
of ancillaiy units m the small scale sector; 

(b) whether shortage of vital raw materials 
is also affecting production in the small 
scale sector; and 

(c) if so, the steps being taken to solve 
these problems? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) The problem, so fai, has 
not caused any gicat concern lo the small 
scale sector. 

(b) and (c). The supply of raw materjal, 
imported as well as indigenous, has cons- 
tantly been on the increase. Steps are being 
taken to further enhance the allocation of 
raw-material to the small scale sector to 
ensure larger utilisation of capacity in this 
sector. 

Setting up of a Technology and Patent Data 
Bank 

3362. SHRI S. A. MURUGANA- 
NTHAM : Will the Minister of CIENCE 
AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 



213 Written Answers 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 214 


(a) whether there is a proposal to set up 
a technology and patent data bank to collect, 
collate and disseminate information abo.ut 
science and technology; and on most mo- 
dem lines; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof? 

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY (SHR1 C. SUBRAMA- 
NLAM) ; (a) and (b). Yes A Committee 
has been constituted to woik out the 
details. 

Applications for setting up of Industries in 
Backward Areas of Bihar 

3364. SHRIAMUNA PRASAD MAN- 
DAL : Will he Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 
TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any applications foi setting up industries in 
the backward Districts of Bihar during the 
current year; 

(b) if so, the number of applications 
received and the type of industries proposed 
to lie set up there; 

(c) whether licences and letters of in- 
tent have been issued to the applicants and 

if so, the names thereof, and 
• 

(d) if not, the reasons therefor’ 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHR1 SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Seven (upto 31-7-72) for items such as 
wheat products, iron & steel pipes, high 
tensile steel wires and woollen tufted car- 
pets. 

(c) and (d). Out of the seven applications, 
one has been rejected and the remaining 
six are under consideration. 


A.I.R. Trails behind Radio Pakistan 

3365. SHRI P. K. DFO : Will the Minis- 
ter of INFORMATION AND BROAD- 
CASTING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the Mother- 
land dated the 20th June, 1972 under the 
caption ‘AIR Trails behind Radio Pakis- 
tan, ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government jn 
this regard? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND 
BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM 
BIR SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Government have noted a genet al 
lonmg down of hostile broadcasts fiom 
Radio Pakistan. Howevei, some instances 
of violation of the agreement on cessation 
of hostile propaganda have been brought 
to the notice of the Pakistan Govern- 
ment 

Utilisation of Idle Capacity in 54 
Industries 

3366 SHRI P. K. DFO : Will the Minis- 
ter of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT 
AND SCIENCF AND TECHNOLOGY 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the total idle capacity in 54 selected 
industries in the country; 

(b) the percentage of utilisation of the 
industi lal capacity in the entire Private 
Sector , and 

(c) the steps, • if any, proposed to be 
taken by Government for full utilisation 
of industrial capacity in the country in 
both public and private sectors? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). A statement based 
on lecords maintained by the Directorate 



215 Written Anstitifs 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 2 1 6 


General of Technical Development, is laid 
on the Table of the House. [Placed in Li- 
brary . See No. LT-3493/72]. 

(c) Steps for fuller utilisation of the ins- 
talled capacity in various industries initiated 
by the Government are ■ — 

(i) Permission for doubling of capacity/ 
mult ishil'l woi king in 54 selected 
industries Undei takings which 
had been licensed on single o> double 
shift basis in ihc specified industries 
have been pci milted to nminvsc 
utilisation of their capacity. In 
other cases, they have been permitted 
to increase their production uplo 
100°' of the licensed capacity sub- 
ject to ccitain conditions I his 
facility is ficcly gi anted to all except 
the largci houses and foreign firms 
who have to apply for such facility 
to a specially constituted Task Koicc 
in Mie Mmistiy of Industrial Develop- 
ment for consideration of their cases 
on merit 

(ii) Industrial undertakings have been 
permitted *o diversify their produc- 
tion for the manufacture of new ar- 
ticles to the extent of 2*°' of the 
licensed capacity without the for- 
mality of obtaining an indiislnul 
licence, subject to certain conditions 

(iii) Increased licensing of imported steel 
and other raw materials for increas- 
ing capacity utilisation by industry. 

(iv) Increased investment outlay on Plan 
projects. 

(vj In respect of the public sector, 
additional measures include diversi- 
fication, export -orientation, efficient 
maintenance and management, im- 
port of essential components and 
matcnal not indigenously available 
and better tiaming and facilities tor 
labour. 


Dispersal of Industries 

3367. SHRJ K. KODANDA RAMI RED- 
DY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 
DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE 
AND TFCHNOl OGY be pleased to slate : 

(a) whether Goveinmcnt are aware that 
concentration of industries in a few places 
has created more problems than solving 
any; and 

(b) whether Government aie thinking of 
any far leaching modilicalior s while sanc- 
tioning new industries? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVF- 
I O PM ENT (SIIRI SI DP HI SHWAR 

PRASAD) (a) and (b) . Government fullv 
iccogmscs ilic need foi avoiding concentra- 
tion of indust i ics in a few places. Paia- 
giaph 15 of the Industnal Policy Resolution 
of the 30th Apnl, 1956, rcnciatcs Govern- 
ment's intention that indusuiahsalion should 
benefit the economy of ihe country as a 
whole, and that disparities in t he levels ot 
development between different areas and 
regions in the country should be progres- 
sively reduced as tar as possible It has 
been the constant endeavour of the Govern- 
ment to translate this policy into action. 
In licensing new capacities, aicas which 
aic deficient in certain lines of manufacture 
arc given special preference m the establish- 
ment of new capacities in those lines As 
I sir as is possible and feasible, ueightagc is 
always given to applications from backward 
regions. Schemes of outright subsidy and 
concessional finance from public financial 
institutions have been initiated for selected 
backward distncts. 

Relaxation in enforcement of Law in cases 

of Trials of the Surrendered Dacoits 

3368 SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : Will the 
Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased 
to slate : 

(a) whether any approach has been made 
by the State Government of Madhya Pra- 



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BHADRA 1,1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 218 


desh for the relaxation in the enforcement 
of la^v in the cases of dacoits who have sur- 
rendered voluntarily and are now facing 
trials of various offences committed by them ; 
and 

(b) if so, in what manner would such re- 
laxation be possible? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOMF AFFAIRS (SHRI 
F. H. MOHSIN) . (a) No, Sir 

(b) Docs not anso 

Sufficiency of Telephone and Telegraph equip- 
ment and losses suffered due to its pilferage 

3369 SHRI S C. SAMANTA : Will the 
Ministci of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state 

(a) how long Government will take to 
meet the demands fully of Telephone and 
Telegraph wiles and other equipments; and 

(b) the losses suffered by Government 
on account of pilferages in 1970-71, 1971- 
72 and uplo the 30th June, 1972 1 ’ 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) • (a) 
The two major sources of supply of Tele- 
communications stores and equipment vi/ 
ITI and HCE are in the process of conti- 
nuous expansion Undei the HCL a 
2nd cable factory is being opened at Hy- 
derabad and the existing cable factory at 
Rupnarainpur is being expanded. Under 
the 1T1 a 2nd transmission factory has been 
set up at Naim, a 2nd instruments factory 
is being set up at Naim and a 2nd switch- 
ing factory is under active consideration. 
There arc, however, shortages m raw mater- 
ials including steel, aluminium, zinc etc. 
and of electronic and other components 
etc and it may take a considerable time be- 
fore Government is able to fully meet the 
demand for telecommunication stores and 
equipment indigenously. The Govern- 
ment has appointed a high-power Commit- 


tee under the Chairmanship of Shri M. S. 
Pathak Member, Planning Commission 
to make a long-term study of the needs of 
telecommunication Stores and equipment 
and draw up recommendations for increas- 
ing the indigenous production capacities. 
On receipt of the recommendations of this 
Committee suitable actions would be initiat- 
ed 

(b) Lowes dining 1970-71 : 

Rs 2,97,09,211 

Losses suffered hi 1971-72 (npto 30 th June 
1972) 

Rs. 1,8^,60.535 

Import of used Plants for West Germany 
and Japan 

3370 SHRI HART KISHORF SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether Government have any pro- 
posal to import and instal used plants from 
West Germany and Japan to manufacture 
labour intensive products, 

(b) if so, the main features thereof; and 

(t) whether Government have taken any 
decision authorising private sector indus- 
tries to enter into negotiations on these 
proposals? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) The question docs not arise. 

(c) As and when applications from pri- 
vate parties for import of used plants are 
received, they arc considered on merits. 

Control on Cement 

3371. SHRI HART KISHORE SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state: 



AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 220 


219 Written An$%jps 

(a) whether Gol&mment have any pro- 
posal under consideration to recontrol the 
price and distribution of cement in the coun- 
try in view of its Shortage; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). The price and dis- 
tribution of cement in the country is already 
under formal control with effect from the 1st 
January, 1968 in terms of the Cement Con- 
trol Order, 1967, as amended from time to 
time. 

Shortage of Automobile, Batteries, Tyres and 
Tubes 

3372. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a shortage of automo- 
bile batteries and automobile tyres and tubes 
in the country; 

(b) whether any attempt has been made 
by Government to increase the production 
of automobile tyres and tubes in the public 
sector; and 

(c) if so, the mam features thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) There is no shortage of 
automobile batteries. Some shortage in 
the case of truck and bus tyres was felt 
particularly during the emergency. The 
Tyre Companies were asked to step up the 
production by working on Sundays and 
holidays, as a result of which, the produc- 
tion was stepped up. Balancing equipments 
such as moulds and presses for the manu- 
facture of Truck tyres were also allowed to 
be imported to further increase the produc- 
tion in this category. Still there have been 


complaints regarding the non-availability 
of Truck Tyres from certain quarters. 
There is no shortage in other types of Tyres. 
Setting up of additional capacity for the 
manufacture of tyres (including truck and 
bus tyres) has also been approved by Go- 
vernment to meet future demands. 

(b) and (c). Government are considering 
whether a Joint Venture by both the Central 
Government and the State Governments 
could be set up for the manufacture of auto- 
mobile Tyres and Tubes and also whether 
the Technical know-how could be develop- 
ed in a Centralised agency. These proposals 
are, however, in a very preliminary stage of 
consideration. 

Reduction in Income Disparities 

3373. SHRI PRAVINSINH SOLAN KT : 
Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether there has been any reduction 
in income disparities as a result of different 
measures adopted by Government; and 

(b) if not, the leasons therefor? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 
MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) The Report of 
Mahalanobis Committee which is the latest 
official study on the changes in income 
distribution states as follows : — 

“It has not been possible for the Commit- 
tee to pronounce a definite judge- 
ment, even of a broad nature, on the 
changes m income distribution. 
However, it can be stated that there 
is no clear indication of a significant 
change in income distribution over the 
Plan decade”. (1950-51 to 1960- 
61). 

(b) Several measures including certain 
institutional reforms, the development of 
agriculture and small and village industries 
and special programmes for the weaker 
sections were taken in the earlier plans to 



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BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Arfhcrs 222 


reduce income disparities. But no marked 
improvement in income distribution could 
occur because of greater emphasis on in- 
crease in G.N.P., heavy investments and 
quicker industrialisation. The slow rate of 
growth of the economy, the Limited impact 
of fiscal policies in redistributing incomes 
and wealth and the rise in prices have been 
other contributory factors. 

Complaint against Assistant Director, Small 

ndustries Service Institute Mu Ee 

3374. SHRl CHANDRIKA PRASAD : 
W the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarrcd Question No. 3247 on 
19th April, 1972 regarding the complaints 
against Assistant Director in the Small 
Industries Service Institute and state what 
further progress has been made in the matter, 
so far? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHFSHWAR 
PRASAD) : The explanation of the officer 
has been referred to the Central Vigilance 
Commission for adveeand u lcac on 
will be taken on the basis of their ad- 
vice. 

Release of Prisoners to mark the Independence 
Silver Jubilee Celebrations 

3375. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI 
REDDY : Will the Minister of HOME AF- 
FAIRS be pleased to state : 

la) whether Government had taken any 
decision regarding the grant of remission 
to prisoners to mark the Independence Sil- 
ver Jubilee celebrations; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof and 
categories of prisoners concerned? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI 


F. H. MOHS1N) : (a) Yes, Sir. Nece ssary 
orders for the grant of remission to prisoners 
on the occasion of Twentyfifth Independence 
Jayanti were issued on 27th July, 1972, 

(b) The main features of these orders 
are : — 

(1) The remission is allowed on a sliding 
scale; 

(2) The following categories of prisoners 
are eligible for remission 

(i) prisoners undergoing sentence in 
jails in Union territories. , 

* (ii) prisoners undergoing sentence in 
State jails who were convicted for 
offences against the law relating to 
matters to which executive powers 
of the Union extends. 

(lii) As regards prisoners undergoing 
sentence in State jails, who were 
convicted for offences against the 
State Law, the State Governments 
were requested that if there be no 
objection, they may considei the de- 
sirability of granting remission to 
them on the same scale. 

(3) The following categories of prisoners 
are not eligible for remission under those 
orders 

(i) Detenus of any class; 

(ii) Prisoners convicted by court mar- 
tial; 

(iii) Prisoners convicted for offences un- 
der the Official Secret Act, sections 
2 & 3 of the Criminal Law Amend- 
ment Act, various sections of the 
Indian Pdhal Code, Foreigners Act 
and Pass Port Act. 

Memorandum and Deputation from National 
Union of Calcutta Telephones 

3376. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI : Will the Minister of COMMU- 
NICATIONS be pleased to state : 



223 Written Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Written Answers 224 


(a) whether the Ministry has received a 
memorandum and *. deputation from the 
National Union of Calcutta Telephones; 
and 

(b) if so, the nature of the memorandum 
and action taken by the Ministry in this re- 
gard? 

THE MINISTr R OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA) : (a) 
Only memorandum was received from 
the National Union of Telegraph Engineer- 
ing Employees Cla^ HI, Calcutta (Tele- 
phones) Branch. 

(b) The memorandum contained de- 
mands relating to the service conditions 
such as fixation of pay scale for wi remen, 
overtime to stall' and rotational transfers 
etc. In accordance with the proscribed chan- 
nel of communication between the Adminis- 
tration and the staff*, nrmoianda/ropiescn la- 
lions received fiom the recognized Central 
Unions/Associations only are required to 
be examined at the P&T Board level for 
talcing necessary action. Memoranda re- 
presentations from Branch Unions/Associa- 
tions arc required to be examined at the 
appropriate lower level. As such the me- 
morandum m question was forwarded to 
the G.M.T. Calcutta for necessaiy action 
and sending reply to the Union. 

Public Sector Factories in Punjab 

3377. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA . 
Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY be pleased to state * 

(a) whether Govern men, 1 have any plans 
to build-up some factories in Public Sector 
in Punjab; and 

(b) if so, the nature thereof? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) and (b). There is so far no 


decision to set up any new industrial pro- 
ject in the Central Public sector in Punjab. 
However, a proposal for the expansion of 
Nangal Fertiliser Factory is under considera- 
tion 

Public Telephone booths in Delhi 

3378. DR SANKATA PRASAD : Will 
the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have not been 
able to make public Telephone booths avail- 
able in all areas of Delhi so far, and 

(b) if so, the reasons theiefoi and the time 
by which it would be done 9 

THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- 
TIONS (SHRI H N BAHUGUNA) : 
(a) Government have been able to provide 
PCO booths in areas or Delhi wherever then' 
have been found justified and feasible 

(b) Does not arLc 

Ceiling on Monopolies and Big Business 
1 louses 

3379 SHRI BAN AM AM PA'INATK : 
Will the Ministei of INDUSTRIAL DFVE- 
1 OPMINT AND SCIFNCE AND TECH- 
NOLOGY he pleased to state ■ 

(a) whether the desirability of placing a 
ceiling on monopolies and big business houses 
with a view to increase production has been 
considered ; 

(b) if so, with what results; and 

(c) the steps proposed to be taken in this 
direction 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- 
LOPMENT (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR 
PRASAD) : (a) to (c). Government have 
already adopted the policy of preventing 
growth of monopolies and concentration 
of wealth in a few hands. The Govern- 
ment's revised industrial licensing policy 



BHADRA 1, 1894 {JSAKA) 


Papers Laid 226 


225 Papers Laid 

annou&ced in February, 1970 and the intro- 
duction of the Monopolies and Restrictive 
Trade Practices Act are steps taken in that 
direction. 

13.35 bra. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 

Statement re. dacoity in Buxar-Delhi 
Express Train 

THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 
(SHRI T. A. PA1)* 1 beg to lay on the Table 
a statement, regarding dacoily in tram No. 
55 up Buxar - Delhi Express between pil- 
khua and Dasna Railway Stations of Nor- 
thern Railway on the 20th August, 1972. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT-3475/72], 

Notifications undtr Indian Tlle- 
(i rapil Acr 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 
(SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA : On 
behalf of Shri H N Bahuguna, I beg to 
lay on the Table a copy each of the follow- 
ing Notifications (Hindi and English ver- 
sions) undei sub-section (5) of section 7 of 
the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 *- 

(1) The Indian Tclegiaph (Sixth Amend- 

ment) Rules, 1972, published in Noti- 
fication No G.S R. 329 (L) in 
Gazette of India dated the 4th July, 
1972 

(2) The Indian Telegraph (Second Amend- 
ment) Rules, 1972., published in 
Notification No. G.S.R. 811 in 
Gazette of India dated the 1st July, 
1972. 

[Placed in Library. See No. LT-3476/72], 

Notification under Personal Injuries 
(Comp. Ins.) Act 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND REHABI- 
LlTATION(SHRI BALGOVINDVERMA: 
On behalf of Shri R. K. Khadilkar, 
41 L SS /72 — 9 


I beg to lay on The Table a copy each of the 
following Notifications (Hindi and English 
versions) under section 24 of the Personal 
Injuries (Compensation Insurance) Act, 
1963 

(1) Personal Injuries (Compensation 
Insuiance) Rules, 1972, published 
in Notification No. S.O. 377 (E) in 
Gazette of India dated the 25th' May, 
1972. 

(2) The Personal Injuries (Compensation 
Insurance ) Scheme, 1972, published 
m Notification No. S.O. 378 (E) n 

Gazette India dated the 5th May, 
* 1972. 

(3) The personal Injuries (Compensation 

Insurance) A mend men* . Scheme, 
1972, published in Notification 
No. S. O. 500 (fc) in Gazette, 
of India dated ihe 22nd July, 1972. 

(4) The Personal Injuries (Compensation 
Insurance) Amendment Rules, 1972, 
published m Notification No. S.O. 
501 (H) in Gazette of India dated the 
22nd July, 1972. 

[Placed m Library. See. No. LT-3477/72] 

Annual Report of the development 
Coucil ior Automobiles etc:, under In- 
dustries (DEVELOPMENr AND REGULATION) 
Act 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- 
MENT (SHRI SIDDHESWAR 
PRASAD): I beg to lay on the Table a copy 
of the Annual Report (Hindi and English 
versions) of the Development Council 
for Automobiles, Automobiles Ancillary In- 
dustries, Transport Vehicle Industries, 
Tractors, Earthmovmg Equipment and In- 
ternal Combustion Engines for the year 
1970-71, under sub-section (4) of section 
7 of the Industues (Development and Regu- 



227 A ftssdjkfrom Rajya Sabha AUGUST 23, 1972 Companies (Amendment) BUI 228 


[Shri Siddhesflfcr Prasad] 

lation) Act, $95 1. (Placed in Library . See 

No. LT-347S/72.] 

Annual Report of the e.S.I.C. 

SHRI BALGOVIND VERMA: beg to lay 
on the Table a copy of the Annual Report 
(Hindi and English versions) of the Emplo- 
yees’ State Insurance Corporation for the 
year 1970-71, under section 36 of the Em- 
ployees’ State Insurance Act, 1948. (placed 
in Library . See No. LT 3479/72,] 

13.36 hrs. 

MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report the 
following message received from the Se- 
cretary of Rajya Sabha :- 

*1 am directed to inform the Lok Sabha 
that the Rajya Sabha, at its sitting 
held on Monday, the 21st August, 
1972, passed the enclosed motion 
concurring in the recommendation 
of the Lok Sabha that the Rajya 
Sabha do join in the Joint Com- 
mittee ot the Houses on the 
Disturbed Areas (Special Couits) 
Bill, 1972. The names of the 
members nominated by the Rajya 
Sabha to serve on the said Joint 
Committee are set out in the 
motion. 

MOTION 

“That this House concurs in the recom- 
mendation of the Lok Sabha that the Rajya 
Sabha do join in the Joint Committee of the 
Houses on the Bill to provide for the Speedy 
trial of certain offences in certain areas and 
for matters connected therewith, and resol- 
ves that the following members of the 
Rajya Sabha be nominated to serve on the 
said Joint Committee : 

1. Shri Yogendra Shaima 

2. Shi i M. S. Abdul Khader 

3. Shii Veerendta Patil 


4. Dr. Bhai Mahavir 

5. Shri Ibrahimbahai Kasambhai 
Kalania 

6. Shri S. B. Bobdey 

7. Shri Nabin Chandra Buragohain 

8. Shri Bhola Paswan Shastri 

9. Shri Ranbir Singh 

10. Shri Sikandar Ali Wajd 

11. Shri Sitaram Singh 

12. Shri Hamid Ali Schamanad 

13. Shii Mahendra Mohan Choudhury 

14. Shri Todak Basar 

15. Shrimati Sita Devi*’ 


13.3S hrs. 

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEM- 
BERS’ BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS 

Seventeenth Report 

SHRI G. G. SWELL (Autonomous 
Districts) : I beg to present the Seventeenth 
Report of the Committee on Piivate 
Members’ Bills and Resolution. 

COMPANIES (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS ( SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : I beg to move : 

“That the Bill further to amend the Com- 
panies Act, 1956, the Securities Contracts 
(Regulation) Act, 1956 and the Monopo- 
lies and Restrictive Trade Practices Act, 
1969, be referred to a Joint Committee of 
the Houses consisting of 45 members, 30 
from this House, namely : — 

(1) Shii Syed Ahmed Aga 

(2) Shii Bedabrata Barua 

(3) Shri H.K.L. Bhagat 

(4) Shii Somnath Chatterjee 

(5) Shri Tridib Chaudhuri 

(6) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda 

(7) Shri C. Chittibabu 

(8) Shri S.R. Damani 

(9) Shri C.C. Desai 

(10) Shri G.C. Dixit 



229 CompmUs (Amendment) BHAJDRA 1 

Bill 

(11) Sbrimati Vjjeyalakshmi 

(12) Shri Popatlal M. Joshi 

(13) Shri Ramachandran Kadannapalli 

(14) Shri Baburao Jangluji Kale 

(15) Shri Jagannath Mishra 

(16) Shri Surendra Mohanty 

(17) Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi 

(18) Shii D.K. Panda 

(19) Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey 

(20) Prof. Madhu Dhandavate 

(21) Shri H.M. Patel 

(22) Shri S.B.P. Pattabhi Rama Rao 

(23) Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai 

(24) Shi i Jagannath Rao 

(25) Shri Bishwanath Roy 

(26) Shri P.M. Sayeed 

(27) Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma 

(28) Shri R.R. Sharma 

(29) Shri P. Ranganatha Shenoy 

(30) Shri R.K. Sinha 
and 15 membeis from Rajya Sabha; 

that in order to constitute a sitting of the 
Joint Committee, the quorum shall be one 
third of the total number of members of the 
Joint Committee; 

that the Committee shall make a report to 
this House by the first day of the next session ; 
that in other respects the Rules of Procedure 
of this House relating to Parliamentary 
Committees shall apply with such varia- 
tions and modifications as the Speaker 
may make; and 

that this House do recommend to Rajya 
Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join the' said 
Joint Committee and Communicate to this 
House the names of 15 members to be 
appointed by Rajya Sabha to the Joint 
Committee.” 

MR. SPEAKER : It was decided in the 
Business Advisory Committee that this may 
be disposed of without any discussion and 
the Select Committee will go into every 
thing. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Just I want to make a brief 
submission. 


> 1894 (SAKA) Companies (Amendment) 230 
Bill 

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t do it when we 
have decided in the BAC. , , , 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : There are 
some things very confusing in the Bill, 
something contradictory. It is not very 
clear, 

MR. SPEAKER : What? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I will 
read it out. 

MR. SPEAKER : When it goes to the 
Committee, you can mention these things. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : How can I. 

I cannot appear before the Committee. 

I have made a submission to you before 

II O’clock. The question is : 1 refer to 
clause 204A which says ; 

“(1) Except with the previous approval 
of the 

(a) company in general meeting, and 

(b) Central Government, 

No company shall, during a period of 
five years from the commencement of the 
Companies (Amendment) Act, 1972, appo- 
int as secretary, consultant or adviser or 
to any other office, by whatever name called, 
any individual, firm or body corporate 
who, or which, had before the 3rd day of 
April, 1970, been 

ri) holding office as the managing agent 
or secretaries and treasurers of the comp- 
any; or 

(ii) any associate of the managing agents 
or secretaries # and treasurers of such 
company. 

Provided that whtre any such appoint- 
ment has been made before the commence- 
ment of the Companies (Amendment) 
Act, 1972, no such appointment shall be 
continued by the company after a period of 
six months from such commencement 



231 Cornpanlfa Amendment) AUGUST 23, 1972 Companies (Amendment} 232 


Bilh 

[Shri Jyotirmoy llosuj 

unless such appotetment has been approved 
by the company in .general meeting and the 
Central Government before the expiry of the 
said period". 

Now I want only to ask a question. What 
will happen after five years? 

One more submission. What is the ob- 
ject of bringing this Bill ? These large 
monopoly houses, in the course of four 
years, have increased their weallh by as much 
as 76%. The Mafatlals which has an csset 
of Ks.92 crores in P5*, to- day has assets of 
Rs. 156 crores. Tatas whose assets were 
only Rs. 505 crores, to-day they have assets 
worth Rs. 638 crores. The rise is 29%. 
With 76% growth the industiy is not produc- 
ing anything, but they are getting falter. 

These two things he may make clear. 

MR. SPEAKER : These matters can 
always be considered by the Select 
Committee. How can the Mmisler commit 
himself? Lei it go to the Committee. Why 
do you want to prejudge everything? 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : I can 
assure the hon. Member that these matters 
will be fully gone into by the Committee 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have 
pointed out an anomally 

MR. SPEAKER : The Minister says that 
the committee will consider these tilings, 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : A Bill has 
boon brought before the House. 

As a member of the House, when I 
see something which is confusing and which 
is not clear, I have a right to point it out. 
Let the Minister make a satatement. 

SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY : The 
language of the BiU is very clear. The ques- 
tions that have been raised by the hon. 
Member would be amply taken into consi- 
deration by the Committee and if any im- 
provement is necessary, it will be done. 


Bill 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After five 
years ? 

MR. SPEAKER He is fond of talking. 
What to do ? 

SHRI SEZHIYAN (Kumbakonam) ; This 
is not a good procedure that as it has 
been decided in the BAC, it may be 
straightway referred to the Select Com- 
mittee. This is not a happy precedent be- 
cause the Select Committee should know 
the mind of the House also. Also, this 
should nol be taken as precedent for future. 
The Bills should not be referred to Select 
Committee as a routine without a discussion 
here because they would like to know the 
mind of the House. 

MR. SPEAKER : I put it because it was 
decided to refer it to the Select Committee 
without discussion. But if you want to 
opposed, you are very welcome. We cannot 
override the Rules. They arc always there. It 
is just because of your mutual understanding 
that T did it But if you do not want to 
implement it, then we will have a discussion. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : When the 
Minister moves a Bill and I find something 
wrong and I ask him to make a statement, 
you do not allow it. 

MR. SPEAKER : You yourself were 
there in the PAC. 

Now, the question is : 

“That the Bill further to amend the Com- 
panies Act, 1956, the Securities 
Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 
and the Monopolies and Restrictive 
Trade Practices Act, 1969, be referred 
to a Joint Committee of the Houses 
consisting of 45 members, 30 from 
this House, namely : — 

(1) Shn Sycd Ahmed Aga 

(2) Shri Bcdabrata Barua 

(3) SnriH.KL. Bhagat 

(4) Shri Somnath Chatterjie 

(5) Shri Tridih Chaudhuri 

(6) Shri Khemchandbhai Chavda 



233 Companies (Amendment) BfiADRA 1 
Bill 

(7) Shri C. Chittibabu 

(8) Shri SR. Datnani 

(9) ShriC.GDesai 

00) Shri G.C Dixit 

(11) Shjimati V. Jeyalakshmi 

(12) Shri Popallal M. Joshi 

(13) Shri Ramachandran Kadannapalli 

(14) Shri Baburao Jangluji Kale 

(15) ShTi Jagannath Mishra 

(16) Shri Surendra Mohanty 

(17) Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi 

(18) Shri D.K. Panda 

(19) Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey 

(20) Prof. Madhu Dandavate 

(21) Shri H M. Patel 

(22) Shri S.B.P. Pattabhi Rama Rao 

(23) Shri R. Balakrishna Pillai 

(24) Shri Jagannath Rao 

(25) Shri Bishwanath Roy 

(26) Shri P.M. Sayeed 

(27) Shri Nawal Kihsore Sharma 

(28) Shri R.R. Sharma 

(29) Shri P. Ranganatha Shcnoy 

(30) Shri R K. Sinha 

and 15 members from Rajya Sabha; 

that in order to constitute a sitting of the 
Joint Committee, the quorum shall be one- 
third of the total number of members of 
the Joint Committee; 

that the Committee shall make a report to 
this House by the first day of the next 
session; 

that in o;hcr respects the Rules of Pro- 
cedure of this House relating to Parlia- 
mentary Committees shall apply with such 
variations and modifications as the Speaker 
may make; and 

that this House do recommend to Rajya 
Sabha that Rajya Sabha do join the said 
Joint Committee and communicate to this 
House the names of 15 members to be 
appointed by Rajya Sabha to the Joint 
Committee.” 

The motion was adopted . 

•Moved with the recommendation'of the 


, 1 894 (SAKA) Companies (Amendment) 234 
Bill 

13 AS hrs . 

ANTIQUITI ES AND ART TREASURES 
BILL 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I beg 
to move* 

“That the Bill to regulate the export trade 
in antiquities and art treasures, to 
provide for the prevention of smtiggl* 
ing of, and fraudulent dealings in, 
antiquities, to provide for the com- 
pulsory acquisition of antiquities and 
art treasures for preservation in 
public places and to provide for 
certain other matters connected 
therewith or incidental or ancillary 
thereto, be taken into consideration.” 

7 3.47 hrs. 

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ] 

Our country has had along and dis- 
tinguished history and naturally, we have in 
our land a very large number of objects of 
art and representations of the progress 
achieved by the Indian people through the 
ages. This valuable heritage of the nation 
has to be protected and preserved by us 
against destruction or smuggling out. 
Whether it is in the filed of art or architec- 
tures, sculptures, painting, metal-works 
or wood-crafts or even in the case of 
manuscripts there are objects of art which 
have to be preserved from vandalism* 
Unfortunately, our country has suffered 
cruelly, particularly, since certain rich indi- 
viduals mainly abroad but, to some extent, 
even in this country, have considered it 
fashionable to acquire art objects and to 
treat them as private property and there- 
fore, they have encouraged this despoli- 
ation of monuments or disposals of price- 
less pieces of paintings. Thefts of sculptures 
from monuments like the bracket figures 
from the magnificent Khajuraho temples or 
even chiselling away of sculptures from other 

President 



235 Antiquities andMrt AUGUST 23, 1972 Antiquities and Art Treasures 23 6 
Treasures $11 ‘ Bill 


[Shri S. Nurul Has&n] 
monuments have been reported from time to 
time. The House will recall the public ind- 
ignation over the report that one of the price- 
less pieces of Nataraj- is being sold in New 
York and everyone is rightly feeling deeply 
concerned about it. 

Therefore, ever since the dawn of Inde- 
pendence, there has been an attempt to bring 
this situation under control and as far back 
as 1947, an Act called the Antiquities 
(Export Control) Act, 1947 was passed to 
check and control the export of antiquities. 
This Act, together with the Treausure Trove 
Act of 1878, the Ancient Monuments Pre- 
servation Act (VII of 1904), 1904, Ancient 
Monuments, Archaeological Sites and 
Remains Act, 1958, and Customs Act, 1962 
helped to protect the cultural heritage and to 
control the export of antiquities to a limited 
extent. 

The administrative and legal lacunae in 
these Acts became obvious because of large- 
scale thefts and smuggling of art objects 
outside the country. 

It is indeed most regrettable to find that 
objects either stolen from Indian Museums 
or removed from protected Monuments or 
private Temples have found their way ab- 
road and some of them have been exhibited 
in public museums of. those countries. 

The Indian Delegation raised this matter 
in the UNESCO Convention on the Theft 
of Cultural Property and, in spite of the 
fact that many countries like our own, who 
have been suffering from such vandalism 
have raised their voice, and a somewhat dilu- 
ted convention has been approved, some of 
h? mrj diveloped countries are draging 
their feet in the matter. 

Therefore, it was considered necessary 
to bring in a comprehensive piece of legis- 
lation on antiquities so as to plug as far as 
possible the loopholes and to gear up the 
administrative and executive machinery. 

This Bill, which I commend to the House, 
has been brought up on the basis of various 


decisions which have been made outside 
the House as well as inside the House. 

Several hon. Members had sought from 
time to time leave to introduce Bill’s to 
remedy the existing situation. My hon. 
friend Dr. Raghubir Singh had given a 
notice in the Rajya Sabha about the Anti- 
quities (Export Control) Amendment 
Bill/1957. A similar notice was given by Shri 
C.K. Bhattacharyya in the Lok Sabha in 
1962. For some reason or the other, these 
Bills were not introduced in Parliament. 
Meanwhile the Government which had 
been seized of the problem, sought to 
introduce a Bill for this purpose in 1965. 
Although it was introduced on the 7th 
April, 1965 in the Lok Sabha, it could not 
come up for consideration during the life- 
time of the Third Lok Sabha. 

In the meantime, another Bill was intro- 
duced in the other House in 1967, but that 
did not come up for consideration. 

While the present Bill was being drafted, 
all the concerned Ministries of the Govern- 
ment of India were consulted A draft of 
the Bill as prepared by the Ministry of Law 
and Justice was also circulated to all the 
States and Union Territory Governments 
in 1970 for their comments. All these 
comments were examined and as a result 
of further thinking, the present Bill includes 
for the first time ‘Art Treasures’ which, being 
human works of art, having artistic and aes- 
thetic value, also deserve to be protected. 

Besides antiquities, manuscripts, records 
and other documents,, which are of 
scientific, historical, literary or of aesthetic 
value, have also been included now within 
the purview of this Bill. But, we have 
reduced in these cases the age limit and 
brought it down to 75 years, so as to cover 
all important material of this category. 

Now, Sir, the salient features of the Bill 
are as follows 

(a) It seeks to regulate export trade in 
. antiquities and art treasures on and 



237 Antfyuities emd BHADRA 1, 1894 (SABA) 


Art Treasurers Bill 238 


from the commencement of this Act. 

It provides that it shall not be lawful 
for any person, other than the Cen- 
tral Government or any authority 
or agency authorised by the Central 
Government in this behalf, to 
export any antiquity or art 
treasure. 

(b) It seeks to regulate the internal trade 
in antiquities by making it compul- 
sory for those carrying on business 
of selling and offering to sell anti- 
quities to obtain a licence and to 
maintain such records as may be 
prescribed for the purpose. 

(c) It also empowers the Central Govern- 

ment to take over the internal irade 
in antiquities with effect from a fu- 
ture date to the exclusion of others. 

(d) It seeks to undertake registration of 
specified types of antiquities (by 
notification in Official Gazette) 
in possession of private persons and 
institutions. 

(e) The Bill seeks to empower the Central 

Government to compulsorily acquire 
antiquities and art treasures for pre- 
servation in a public place. 

Lastly, (f) It finally seeks to provide penal- 
ties for offences in contravention 
of the provisions of the Bill. 

This is a Bill which the Government have 
brought forward after full consultation. 
This is also a matter on which the whole 
country feels exercised. Hod, Members 
have quite rightly voiced their sentiments 
and the sentiments of the people by express- 
ing their concern whenever any theft was 
repotted. I therefore hope, Sir, that this 
Bill will not be allowed to get involved in 
any controversy. 


My only appeal is this. This Bid should 
have been passed much earlier, but it has 
been delayed. But, I am happy, I have the 
honour and the privilege' of presenting it to 
the honourable House. 

Sir, there may be shortcomings, as there 
would be shortcomings in every other thing, 
but 1 would beg of the honourable House 
to approve of this Bill as quickly as possible, 

It is only aftei the House has given its 
approval that the rules can be framed and 
that will take some time and there is no 
time to lose. 

If there are any suggestions for any 
changes or amendments, we can look 
after those things, and I would be prepared 
to come to the House again. But I now re- 
quest the House to approve of this Bill 
without any further delay. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Motion 
moved. : 

"That the Bill to regulate the export 
trade in antiquities and art treasures, to 
provide for the prevention of smuggling of, 
and fraudulent dealings m, antiquities, to 
provide for the compulsory acquisition of 
antiquities and art treasures for preser- 
vation in public places and to provide for 
certain other matters connected therewith 
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken 
into Consideration.” 

There is an amendment in the name 
of Shri Daga. Are you moving it 

SHRI M. C. DAGA (Pali) : Yes, I 
am moving my amendment. I beg to move: 

"That the Bill* to regulate the export 
trade in antiquities and art treasures, 
to provide for the prevention of 
smuggling of and fraudulent dealings 
in, antiquities, to provide for the 
compulsory acquisition of anti- 
quities and art treasures for pre- 
servation in public places and to 



239 Antiquities 4# AUGUST 23, 1972 Art Treasurers BUI 240 


[Shri M . Daga] 

provide for certain other matters 

connected therewith or incidental or 

ancillary thereto, be referred to a 

Select Committee consisting of 13 

members, namely : 

(1) Shri S. M. Banerjee 

(2) Shri Samar Guha 

(3) Shri Purushottam Kakodkar 

(4) Dr. Kami Singh 

(5) Shri Raja Kulkarni 

(6) Shri Jagannath Mishra 

(7) Shri Shrikishan Modi 

(8) Shri Shyam Sunder Mohapatra 

(9) Shri H. N. Mukherjee 

(10) Shn Ramsahai Pandey 

(11) Shri Arjun Sethi 

(12) Prof. S. Nurul Hasan; and 

(13) Shri M. C. Daga 

with instructions to report by the first day 
of the next sessional) 

SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA (Aram- 
bagh) : Mr Deputy-Speaker, Sir, after a 
long time of delay, this Bill has been in- 
troduced at last by the hon. Minister. 
Even in spite of this long delay, I would 
congratulate him, if this Bill had been draf- 
ted m an all-embrasing and comprehensive 
manner, with a view to further the cause of 
our cultural heritage along with the anti- 
aquities and art treasures as has been des- 
cribed in this Bill. But there is nothing about 
this. If anybody goes through this Bill, I 
am sure, he will be able to find that the only 
object of this Bill is to regulate the activities 
of the smugglers and the fraudulent people 
with a view to fulfil their commercial pur- 
poses and not to further the cause of our 
cultural heritage which we need at this 
moment very badly. « 

Twenty-five long years have passed since 
the attainment of our independence; but 
still the Government has not applied its mind 
to this most important national aspect for 
our generation. Every day we read in the 
newspaper that our antiquities are being 
stolen. Just now, the hon. Minister has 


referred to the case of Natarajamurthi 
idol. It has been stolen from India and it has 
been sold at New York. Now, it is worth 
2 million dollars. Similarly, the statue of 
Deity Chamba from Himachal Pradesh was 
stolen some time ago and recovered in 
Bombay while it was being sent to America. 
This type of stealing is going on everywhere. 

14.00 hrs. 

I would just cite a glaring example about 
Murshidabad. A rare collection of curios, 
china and paintings valued at well over Rs. 1 
crore has mysteriously disappeared from 
the Nawab Palace at Murshidabad, now 
under the control of the West Bengal 
Government. Some of the missing items are 
of pi iceless historical value and roughly 
fall into two categories. On the one hand, 
antique Venetian and Ming vases, centu- 
ries-old ornamental clocks, the Nawab’s 
silver-laced throne, huge cut-glass chande- 
liers, oil painting by world masters and 
bronze statues and other works of art, 
all priceless, have been stolen. Also missing 
are mundane items like copper plating from 
lightning conductors and sundials, iron 
railings, bccons and rafters from place 
out-houses. The quality and size of the 
stolen material rule out the theft being the 
work of casual theives. I can cue moie 
examples like this, but as my time is short, 

1 shall not go into them. 

Now, I shall cite another very painful 
story. Two centuries have elapsed since the 
passing away of one of India’s great sons, 
namely Raja Ram Mohun Roy. His bicente- 
nary is being celebrated througout the 
country. It is a shame that his ancestral 
house is still being used for the police 
barracks. During these long 25 years, the 
Government of India could not free this 
house from the clutches of the police. This 
is the example of how we are furthering the 
cause of our cultural heritage. 

v 

There is a State Archaeological Gallery 
in West Bengal. It was started in 1962 by 



241 Antiquities mit BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Art Treasurers Bill 


242 


the then PWD Minister. It is a nice gallery 
containing a nice collection. But the 
antiquities and art treasures are in such a 
place that nobody can go there. One con- * 
tributor to the Hindustan Standard has 
written : 

The Slate Archaeological Gallery, a 
treasure island at 33, Chittaranjan 
Avenue, is visited by scholars from 
all over the world. I cannot refrain 
myself from asking why the Govern- 
ment is so indifferent towards its own 
collection It is heurtd m fuh zv 
unclean building and it looks like a 
godown rather than a gallery of art.” 

This is the reality with regard to our anti- 
quities and art treasures. The hon. Minister 
is a newcomer, but I hope that he will try 
his best to perform this duly of protecting 
our antiquities and art treasures. 

Regarding the Kohinoor, you know that 
it is now shining over the London tower. 
We want to bring back this Kohinoor to 
India. T his is our national property. It is 
high tune that we bring back this Kohinoor 
from the London tower to India. I urge the 
Hon. Minister and I would request him to 
take initiative in this matter, and we from 
the Opposition will join hands with him and 
strengthen his cffoi is to further the cause 
of our antiquities and art treasures. 

Though this Bill does not come up to the 
mark, yet with these words I support this 
Bill. 

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SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF JAI : 
PUR (Jaipur) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, while 
I welcome the main objective of this Bill, 

I think there should be a few amendments , 
put into it because, as it stands, it is not 
practical. I think everybody in this House 
wishes to preserve India’s antiquities, 
whether they be in the form of art treasures, 
manuscripts, paintings, building or any- 
thing. 

The Minister himself referred to the fact 
that a beautiful Natraj has been stolen 
and that the statues in the temples 
of Khiguraho have also been pilfered. 

I should like to remind this House that it is 
since independence that all this pilferage has 
started taking place in our country. Prior 
to that, when these treasures were looked 
after by their own owners, nothing was 
touched. Khajuraho was in the State of 
Panna. Under the rulers of Panna, not one 
single statue was stolen. 

The previous speaker spoke about the 
collection of the ex-Princes of India. It is 
true that they, have vast collections, and had 
they not been in India, we would probably 
have had no cultural heritage. That is some- 
thing we must remember, and we must be 
thankful to them for their contribution 
to India’s cultural heritage. 

As far as Rajasthan is concerned, all the 
archives from the state-19— have been taken 
to Bikaner and dumped together. They 
were previously lying on the floor. They 
have now been arranged in some sort of 
order, but I believe at the moment there is 
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look after them. That is one thing I should 
like to point out. 

When I said that there should be some 
amendments incorporated into the clauses, 
I meant to pomt out the fact that these 
thefts have taken place since independence 
and not prior to it. I have a feeling that it 
was because before they were properly 
looked after by those who loved them and in 
whose possession they were that we have 
had not had any thefts of this type Also 
the beautiful cities of India were preserved 
with their unique indigenous architecture. 

Take, for instance, the city of Jaipur. It 
was beautiful, until it was handed over to 
the Congress Government. Now it is filthy. 
The Director of Archaeology has not enough 
money to be able to protect these monu- 
ments. He cannot do anything In front of 
the Chatris, the building of the Maharanis, 
a row of shops is coming up. The Depart- 
ment of Archaeology objected to this, but 
the local government lets it go up. These 
are things ancillary to this Bill and I would 
beg of the Minister to look into them. They 
say here that the Cential Government will 
make rules and then the States will adopt 
them. 

I would beg of this House to pass a Bill 
for the proper protection of all antiquities 
in India that aie immoveable, I mean 
palaces, temples, caves and so on because 
at the moment the protection is not adequate. 
I hope that you will help me in this. I 
know about this I can say about my owrn 
home where 1 went 32 years ago : Jaipur 
was perhaps the most beautiful city in the 
world. Today it is pc'rhaps the dirtiest- 
ugliest, filthiest city in the world. Why? 
No care has been taken to protect the 
national monuments. This does not apply 
only to Jaipur. It applies to many other 
places in Rajasthan and in the rest of India. 

As I have not got the time to go into 
details, I would just like to point out to the 
Minister one or two things, which, I hope, 


he will forgive me for. I think in a way this 
Bill is premature because they have not got 
the machinery to implement it. To begin 
with, they do not have enough experts in art 
in this country even to man the National 
museums. When they do not have experts, 
they talk about registration of ai tides. That 
is all very well. But who is going to register 
these articles? It should be an expert, 
who knows about art. 

Then they talk of photography— six 
copies of each article. Have they -calculated 
the cost of one photograph, leave alone 6? 
Which individual or which collector will ever 
be able to afford that? Therefore, I would 
seriously like to suggest to Government to 
have an agency which can take photographs 
of these objects of art. 

Another thing. This registiation is not 
practical for persons. Clauses 14, 17 and 17 
apply to museum offices and archives 
owned and controlled by the Government. 
Why should there not be a list of those arti- 
cles as well? Why should they not be cata- 
logued and photographed and lists of them 
provided to the public? After all, they are 
not owned by the institutions there. They 
are owned by the public. If there has to 
be a special exemption for this, there must 
be a reason for it. 

Another thing is this. When you ask 
for registration of art objects that are lying 
with the dealers or collectors, you must 
also be very, very sure to sec that all Govern- 
ment officials produce a list of their art 
objects. I do not want to cast aspersions 
but many, many collectors m the far-flung 
districts arc one of the worst culprits in 
pilfering art and cultural treasures. 

There was another thing that I wanted to 
suggest. From clause 13 it looks as though 
the Central Government wants to nationalise 
the antique trade which I think would a 
pity, because there are thousands and thou- 
sands of people who depend on this; ~ 
though I am hundred per cent with you 



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that you should try and stop the smuggling 
of antiques’ from this country— I go abroad 
quite often and I am absolutely horrified to 
find in every single shop — Dabis Street 
in London, for example — something of 
Indian antiquity. I go inside and ask the 
dealers : “I am just an ordinary buyer; 
how much is this?” There, I once found a 
statue of £1,100. He bought it for about 
£200 or £300, and he said, “I am going back 
to India in a month or two to get some more.’ 1 
Now, his agencies were not private. They 
were not any of the dealers like the kabadi- 
wallas or anybody like that. He obviously got 

them from an archaeological ly protected 
site. And this continues. 

I would also say that the Government of 
India’s officials concerned must also have 
there art collection? registered and must 
also give notifications to the Government 
as to what they should do. 

As regards this compulsory acquisition, 

I am not quite clear as to what that means, 
because I am very frightened of this; not 
for personal reasons. We have a large 
collection, which is in a museum, but wc are 
nol trying to get anything out of it. We 
are trying (o acquire more. It is open to the 
public; open to the scholars. Wc are nol 
able to find a director because there is dearth 
of this kind of people m India The same 
applies here Your best men arc working 
abrojd in the universities of Chicago and 
Harward — our best Indian scholars m anti- 
quities. I ask, why this compulsory acqui- 
sition 7 People who have art objects — pri- 
vate ones — are very frightened that they 
may go into Government hands and then 
disappear from the public, either comp- 
letely, or they are swallowed up and find 
themselves somewhere abroad, like the 

famous statue of Nalaraja that you mention- 
ed. 

What is the idea of this? Then you say, 
if the owner wishes to apply for compen- 
sation, he may go to an agency and apply 


to the court, and there will be a gentleman 
to determine the value of what is sought to 
be acquired. But in art, as anybody knows, 
there is no value. You cannot name the 
value of such a thing. For instance, if I wish 
to auction this ring, for me, I will pay crores 
of rupees for it, but ils actual value is only 
perhaps Rs. 2,500 or something like that. 
But I will wish to possess it. So, I will pay 
anything for it. That is the value of an 
antique. 

For instance, you take the auction shops 
in England . Southcby and Christie. The 
owner may put up a painting or an object of 
art for auction And the owner’s reserve 
price may be something like Rs. 200, Rs. 300, 
Rs. 400 or Rs. 500. But if somebody wants 
to acquire it, somebody wants it, Us value 
goes up to thousands of pounds. 

When I am talking of Southcby and 
Christie, it has often struck me that the 
Indian Government, through the State 
Trading Corporation, auction cars and th ngs 
like that Why does it not have a sort of 
antique auction shop? For instance, these 
dealers in antiques who wish to sell their 
things abroad make a determined price by 
having a public auction, and the Govern- 
ment will make a profit. 

You can have a sort of Southcby or 
Christie in this country. After all, these 
antiquities do belong to the public. If 
they arc going to do that, you have the right 
to make money out of them. So, make the 
best of it and do not let them go for a paltry- 
sum. This is something which the Govern- 
ment shbuld think over. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Your time 
is up. 

SHR1MAT1 GAYATRI DEVI OF JAI- 
PUR: lam concluding. As I have said before, 
I feel that the Bill is a bit premature, because 
the Government has not got the machinery 
to deal with this. Even for the National 
Museum, they have not been able to find 



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[Shrimati Gayatri pevi] 
a director. There jure no laboratories in 
the country for the preservation of paint- 
ings, textiles, carpets or anything like that. 
The UNESCO has offered its services many 
times to the people, but the Indian Govern- 
ment have not availed themselves of those 
opportunities. I know about this actually. 

It is a fact. I would ask the hon. Minister 
to see to this. 

The other thing is, what laboratories have 
you got. India is a vast country. Is Delhi, 
or Calcutta or Madras having a big labora- 
tory ? The Salar Jung Museum has got a 
small one. Here, your carpets are lying up 
together for cleaning. There is a queue 
of carpets to be preserved in the National 
Museum over here. All these things hap- 
pen to be there because we have not got the 
facilities to preseive the antiquities well. 
So, I would plead with the Government to 
do something about this. 

You will doubtless pass this Bill by all 
means; do not try to nationa.ise the trade. 
Let the people keep their possessions. Re- 
gulate the export by all means. Up till 
now, smuggling has been due to the 
fault of the Government alone, and the 
Government alone stand condemned 
in this and I hope the Government 
will do something constructive m this re- 
gard. As it stands, the Bill will do more 
harm than good. So, it should not be pass- 
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You can 
continue the day after tomorrow. We now 
resume the discussion on the motion of Shri 
Nathu Ram Ahirwar on the development of 
backward areas. Nobody was on his legs 
the other day. Who wants to speak? Yes, 
Shri Dasaratha Deb. 


14.30 hrs. 

MOTION RE. SEPARATE CENTRAL 

SCHEMES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 
BACKWARD AREAS 

SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura 
East) : There is regional imbalance on a 
very wide sc ale and it was a legacy of the Bri- 
tish imperialism but after Independence also 
our government has preserved that legacy. 
The grievances of these backward areas 
are genuine and it requiies to be properly 
attended to. The planners of this country 
must have a proper plan keeping in view the 
regional imbalances in our country. It is 
not only those areas mentioned in this re- 
solution, but also many other areas that 
are very backward. I corns from a region 
which is the most backward of the back- 
waid arias. In ths north-eastern region 



253 Motion Re. BHADRA U 1894 (SARA) Schemes for Backward Anas 254 


areas like Tripura, Manipur, Mizoomm, 
Meghalaya, Arunachal and Nagaland inclu- 
ding Asfeam, are the most backward. There 
may be some fine educated people but that 
does not mean that the ana is forward. 
There are no industiies worth the name even 
in Assam, not to speak of Tripura and 
Meghalaya. 

It is surprising that after 25 years of 
Independence Tripura people do not have 
a railway line. If you want to develop the 
backward area, first you must have some in- 
frastructure, most important of ail road 
and rail communications. After that you 
can talk of big or medium size industries. 

What should be our approach to develop- 
ment of backwaid areas? The approach of 
our planners is motivated by profit, not bene- 
fit to the common man; how quickly they 
could get returns. I had been demanding 
since 1952 the introduction of a railway line 
in Tripura. I was told on the last occasion 
that a surv -,y was completed but that it will 
not be remunerative, so it cannot be taken 
up in this plan. I must say it is a capitalist 
way of thinking; you are developing the 
capitalist part of your economy in our coun- 
try, You have to look to the needs. A 
capitalist will see how quick a return he will 
get. That is why people in remote areas 
are not getting factories or industries. 
Naturally our planners and others build 
industries around big cities where they have 
communication and other facilities. If you 
proceed like that people living in M.P. or 
Chota Nagpur or Nagaland or other back- 
ward areas will never have any industries. 
It is bad planning. 

It is wonderful to know one thing. Our 
Government started a hydro-electric project 
scheme called Dombra project, long ago 
but it has not been completed. I tabled a 
question whether the Government of Tri- 
pura did not utilise sum allocated for the 
year 1970-71 under different heads of deve- 
lopment and they gave so many reasons in 
reply why they could not utilise and one of 


the reasons was ; procurement of som e cons- 
truction materials for development has been 
posing problems either due to their non- 
availability or due to difficulties in the means 
of transport. A fortnight before I met the 
Chief Minister of Tripura and he told me 
that they wanted to import one electric 
transmitter machine weighing about 20 ton- 
nes but it could not be brought to Tripura 
because the only railway in Tripura has to 
pass through a tunnel and the height of 
that machine was more and so it could not 
be transported to Tripura. How can Tri- 
pura develop? 

The Government has failed in these 25 
years to develop a transport system. That is 
why I say that industries must be planned in 
these areas on the basis of the availability 
df raw materials. I cannot demand, for 
instance, a cement factory in Tripura be- 
cause it is impossible and we do not have 
those stones but why not some paper in- 
dustries? We are producing a lot of bam- 
boos and at least one or two paper mills 
could have been started in these 25 years. 
It is a jute producing area and jute mills 
could also have been started. We are pro- 
ducing a lot of wood and small and medium 
industries based on these raw materials could 
have been started. I am not talking of 
Tripura alone; similar industries based on 
available raw material could be started in 
any other backward area. 

By starting industries you will be releasing 
the labour potential of our country; this will 
solve unemployment problem. In the name 
of development of undeveloped areas, some 
big monopolists, and capitalists are getting 
licences to develop that particular area. So 
it is now at tlje mercy of such people. It 
should not be so; Government must come 
forward, have a proper plan and take the 
initiative to develop those areas; it should 
not be given to such agents. I repeat that 
planning should not be motivated by pro- 
fit but give benefit to the common man. 
Tripura cannot have a railway line for a 
long time if you want quick remuneration. 



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Schemes for Backward Areas 256 


[Shri Dasaratha Deb] 

The Government mirtt have a separate 
scheme and integrate it with the State Go- 
vernment schemes for different regions. 
You must have separate apparatus and se- 
parate quota for building materials and 
you must have all the other infra-structure 
that are necessary. Otherwise, you cannot 
develop backward areas. 

' SHRT B. V. NAIK (Kanara) : Sir, in 
view of the fact that the motion by the hon. 
Member, Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar, tried to 
confine the backwardness only to the parts 
such as UP.Bundelkhandand Chotta Nag- 
pur, T had to move an amendment stating 
that this should be made applicable to the 
backward areas in the country as a whole. 

I feel that this motion has received very 
sympathetic consideration of this House 
because it is not only the hon. Member, 
Shri Dasaratha Deb’s Tripura or Bundel- 
khand or Chotta Nagpur, but there arc many 
other Tripuras in this country which are more 
or less sailing in the same boat. 

If I am not indulging in a hyperbole, if 
we use the word “backward” in regard to 
certain areas, communities, castes or regions 
it is a perverse pride, according to me. It 
is equally applicable to economic, social, 
cultural or any other sort of backward- 
ness. While we do accept the fact that 
economically we are not well developed, 
we have a very ancient civilisation and cul- 
ture which have survived the vagaries of 
history So, I would urge the House to 
substitute the word “backwardness” by 
some forward-looking word. Formerly, 
the under-developed areas were called back- 
ward. Then they were called “under- 
developed”. Now having 'recognised that 
these under-developed areas have a tremen- 
dous potentiality of growth, they have chang- 
ed the nomenclature and they are called 
‘developing areas’ or ‘developing conti- 
nents’. I think we have to bid good-bye 
to the word “backward” and call ourselves 
a ‘developing country’ because that word 


is most optimistic and forward-looking in, 
its content and vision. Let us not be per- 
versely proud of our backwardness, which 
is something which we must try to eradicate 
as soon as possible, whether the backward- 
ness is social, cultural or economic. 

When we started planning the concept 
was that it will have to be planning at the 
grass root level. But we started first by 
getting clearance to an approach to the plan 
at the highest level in the country where the 
policies are formulated. We got the clear- 
ance for an approach to the plan in the 
National Development Council. There- 
after, it was discussed at the highest levels 
m the country and then it was transmitted 
to the States and then to the districts. Now 
we are thinking in terms of holding plan 
discussions at the grass root level at the dis- 
tricts. Even here a very learned Member 
suggested that the plan discussion at the dis- 
trict or constituency level should be under 
the chairmanship of the District Magis- 
trate Have we not, aher 25 years of in- 
dependence, got the necessary expertise and 
competence to preside over a conference of 
the people at the grass root level where our 
panchayat pradhans and other leprcsenta- 
tivcs of the people are present? The initia- 
tive for a conference of this type at the glass 
root level, particularly in the backward dis- 
tricts, should be left to the rcpicscntatives 
of the people, however competent or in- 
competent they may be We cannot en- 
trust it to the same old machinery, which has 
done good work in the past, because we 
cannot expect it to deliver radical results 
which wc arc expecting in the future. 

Coming from the general to the concrete, 
the Working Group headed by Shri Wan- 
choo staled very categorically in the year 
1969 that as far as the industrial backward- 
ness of this country is concerned, there should 
be a procedure whereby further licensing of 
industries should be curtailed in the metro- 
politan cities which have become the har- 



257 Motion Re, BHADRA 1, 1894 (SARA) Schemes for Backward Areas 258 


bingers of major, medium and small indus- 
tries. Tb this report there was a note of 
dissent by one of the representatives from 
Bombay. Why is it that in the licensing pro- 
cedure the Planning Commission as well as the 
Industries Ministry are not paying specific 
attention to this recommendation and en- 
suring that at least new industries are not 
established m the urban metropolitan cen- 
tres which are also causing biological ecolo- 
gical hazards? Why is it that the dispersal 
of industries is not carried out because they 
are the recommendations of the Working 
Group which was appointed by ihe Govern- 
ment itscIP 

While it may not be necessary for us lo 
identify vast areas of the countiy as back- 
ward areas, we can definitely identify those 
districts or regions within a State where there 
is vast potential for growth If this poten- 
tial for growth along with backwardness is 
made use of, I think it will be possible for 
us to create the necessary structure for indus- 
trial advancement and growth 

As far as infra-structure is concerned, 
hardly 200 miles south of Bombay is the Wes- 
tern Ghats, just south of Goa- North and 
South Canara. Wherever there arc road or 
rail communication there is advancement. 
We can say that we are backward because 
we ai e backward or we arc poor because we 
arc poor. This is evident here because 
out country or government has not been 
able to do much in regard to development 
of either road or rail communication or 
generation of electricity That is why the 
backwardness still continues in those regions. 

Coming from the general to the concrete, 

1 would once again urge that there are many 
areas which are backward. Their problems 
have to be found at the national level. 
Coming to the specific, the State of Mysore, 
a district has been chosen as industrially 
backward where there is about 500,000 
acres of net irrigation of a perennial nature. 
41 LSS/72 — 10 


So, I would say that greater care should 
be taken in identifying the districts and once 
the districts are identified all the impetus 
should be given for their development and 
growth. Finally, I hope that my amendment 
to the main motion will be accepted by the 
House. 

SHR1 BIREN ENGT1 (Diphu) : Mr. 
Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the entire eastern 
region, specially the State of Assam is 
very backward economically, socially and 
culturally. The Central Government from 
time to time has prepared many schemes 
for the development of backward areas but 
in practice nothing has been done. Not 
to speak of development, even the basic needs 
like education, drinking water and public 
health in most of the interior places are not 
there That is why the backward areas of 
Assam still icmain backward. 

The hill region of Assam like Mikir and 
notth Cachar hills is one oflhc most back- 
ward areas m the country where 90 per 
cent of the population depends on agri- 
culture. But it is very unfortunate that 
there arc no adequate irrigation facilities. 
There are some rivers like Dikharu, Am- 
rang, Dayang and Barpani on which dams 
can be constructed to supply water to the 
entire agricultural land of those hilly re- 
gion 

To remove the regional imbalance and 
backwardness, the most urgent and impor- 
tant thing is that some industries should 
be set up in those areas. In Assam, spe- 
cially m those hilly areas, there is abundant 
raw mateiial like* trees and bamboos. So, 
at least one paper mill can be established at 
Haflong. 

There are no adequate means of trans- 
port m the interior hill areas of Assam. 
We have many times urged the Central 
Government to convert the metre-gauge 
railway line of Assam into broad-gauge 



259 Motion Re. 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Scheme for Backward Area* 2fi0 


ISfari Siren Engti] 

line. It is very important because this is 
the only connecting line of the State of Assam 
with the other States of India. But we are 
surprised as to why the Central Government 
keeps silent on this important issue. This 
should be fulfilled immediately. 

To develop the backward areas, the pre- 
sent planning system should be revised and 
also decentralised. At the same time, the 
Central Government should also set up a 
separate and permanent authority to survey 
and suggest the conditions of backward 
areas of our country. 

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN (Madras 
South) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the mo- 
tion moved by Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar 
focuses attention on the problem of back- 
ward areas in the country and suggests the 
remedy of having separate development 
schemes. Everybody agrees with the mala- 
dy of backwardness, as stated by the mover. 
But I differ with the mover in regard to the 
remedy suggested by him. He suggests 
that the setting up of separate Central 
schemes will deliver the goods. I say, that 
will never deliver the goods. 

We have a concrete example before us. 
U.P. and Bihar are the most favoured States 
by the Central Government. For example, 
in Bihar alone, maximum public sector in- 
vestment on State-wise basis has been 
made. I think, more than 20 per cent of the 
land has been put under irrigation. And 
we lag behind. We find Bhilai, Ranchi 
and Rourkela as giant public sector under- 
takings. But these places are nothing but 

an oasis in the desert of backwardness. 

« 

A few miles around these plants and 
townships we find modernity, but at other 
places the same old backwardness conti- 
nues. Sinking thousands of crores of 
rupees and creating Central schemes will 
not solve the problem. In many cases 
the choice of the planners is already pre- 
determined. For example, an irrigation- 


cwm-hydel project is always tied up to a 
river valley project. We cannot create 
a steel plant away from the source of 
raw materials, Wc want the regional 
imbalances to be eradicated, but what the 
Government does results in wastage of 
scarce resources. 

Now we understand that, in Kashmir, 
Government plans to set up a watch factory 
as a unit of HMT, but Kashmir lacks 
experts who can work, in that watch factory. 
They have, therefore, to import from distant 
States experts, but I am told that those 
experts are afraid of the weather condi- 
tions in Kashmir. We make a political 
decision out of over-enthusiasm, but be- 
cause of this political decision, we ignore 
the cost-and-benefit calculation and also 
the principle of maximum economic 
returns. Central scheme alone is not the 
magic wand by waving which wc can create 
an economic miracle. Every area requires 
a separate planned programme for sal- 
vation. For example, even in our State 
which is supposed to be a forward State, 
there is one district called Dharmapuri 
which is a backward one. It requires a 
special kind of attention, it requires deve- 
lopment of silk and other such things. 

The hon. Minister comes from Konkan 
area. I have read the articles written 
by him. He has suggested that setting 
up a Central plan will not solve the prob- 
lems of the Konkan area ; it requires a 
separate kind of economic planning by 
development of cashewnuts, fisheries, etc. 
So, the problems have to be identified. 
We should not think that setting up a 
public sector undertaking or a Central 
scheme will be the panacea for all ills. But 
these things cannot be done from above. 
Long distance management and remote 
control operations from Delhi will not 
deliver the goods. Ultimately we have 
to come back to district ; district should 



261 Motion Jte. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 

bo the unit of planning, or if data is avail- 
able, taluks or fchsifa should be the unit 
Of planning. We have been repeating the 
same theme that people should be taken in- 
to consideration, that they should be part- 
ners in planning, not only during imple- 
mentation but even during formulation. 

We have been repeating the same theme 
from the First Five-Year Plan onwards, 
but nothing has been done. 

In today's newspaper I read a news that 
the former Planning Minister, hon. Shri 
C. Subramaniam, has announced a package 
programme for backward areas. I hope, 
the hon. Minister will throw much light 
on the subject. But who will prepare 
the package programme, who will execute 
the package programme? Again I find 
from the newspaper reports that hon. 
Shri C. Subramaniam has stated that these 
would be executed by the Planning Com- 
mission. Again we face the problem of 
over-Centralisation. Unless these plan- 
nings are assigned to the States, we cannot 
improve the situation. Regarding Konkan 
the hon. Minister is an expert because 
he hails from that area. Regarding Tamil 
Nadu, I can speak with some authority 
because I know it. There is nothing sacred 
about State planning, but we want it 
to be done by States because it paves the 
way for concentrated efforts. There are 
States like Uttar Pradesh which is one 
of the biggest m Asia or in Europe. 

15.00 hra. 

So, the area of operation is bigger. Take, 
for example, Haryana. The area of op- 
eration is small. After its separate ex- 
istence, Haryana has proved to be an eco- 
nomic miracle. It is prospering well. 
On the other hand, even though UP is the 
cradle of Congress politicians and the 
supplier of all Prime Ministers after Inde- 
pendence, we find that the Eastern UP 
is still in a pitiable situation. 


Schemes for Backward Areas 262 

AN HON. MEMBER : Any area of 
UP is worse. 

SHRI MURASOU M ARAN : I am 
1 coming to that. I find the giant nature of 
UP is one of the stumbling blocks of the 
progress. So, Sardar K. M. Panikkar’s 
suggestion comes to my mind. I think 
splitting UP into more than one unit will 
solve the problem. If that is not practicable, 
we should set up regional boards as in 
Telengana and a sizeable portion of plan 
funds should be allocated for these back- 
ward regions. 

Intensive State plan has produced eco- 
nomic miracles in Puerto Rico and the people 
of Puerto Rico is still a guiding star. For a 
big Federation like India I think the States 
should be allowed to plan for State func. 
tions and the Federal Government for feder- 
al functions. There is nothing inherently 
unfeasible about it. 

The Seventh Scheduled of the Constitu- 
tion speaks about economic and social 
planning as a concurrent function. But, 
what happens now is that we do economic 
planning but we never do the social plan- 
ning. Again, sometime back, our Prime 
Minister inaugurated a Girls' School in 
Allahabad. But after three years, that 
school was closed. Why? The girls who 
got educated could not get educated hus- 
bands. So, what is the reason? The social 
backwardness is the reason. I think we 
should lay emphasis on the social planning 
also. In our State we have made an attempt. 
The State has constituted a Youth Board 
employing hundreds of educated youth. 
They go to the, villages and tell them and 
they induce motivation among the people 
so that they can become modern-minded. 
I think we should lay emphasis on their so- 
cial planning also. 

What is required is a balanced effort. 

I think these backward areas will never 
catch up and the gap between them and the 



263 Motion Re. + 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Schemes for Backward Areas 264 


[Shri Murasoli Maran] 

more advanced ones will continue to in- 
crease unless we apply brakes for the for- 
ward areas. I am afraid we cannot do it. 
What is required is to give a helping hand 
to these backward areas and the States 
and at the same time, we should not apply 
brakes to the so-called forward States. 
Again, we should never think that the for- 
ward States have no problems at all. They 
have their own problems. They also re- 
quire more infrastructural investments just 
to maintain their developmental manage- 
ment. An advanced State is more identi- 
fied with more urban areas. But, urbanisa- 
tion bristles with many problems like the 
creation of inhuman hovels like slums. 
In what way this problem is different from 
the backward areas — I want to ask. So 
I Jay once again emphasis on the balanced 
approach. 

The Pandey Committee has given about 
six indicators to determine the backward- 
ness of an area. But some of them are not 
scientifically proved methods. That is my 
conclusion. For example, one of the indi- 
cators is the percentage of the agricultural 
population to the total population. Tms 
may look a good indicator bin this ignores 
the pressure on land 

The per capita industrial output is also 
considered. Bur, what is the value added? 
It never goes into the problem On that 
aspect, it is found to be useless. The 
Per capita factory workers to the total po- 
pulation is being considered In that case, 
Bhilai is there, but the area around it is 
still backward. In Kera<a there may be 
more factory workers, but those workers 
are suffering because they are connected 
with the sick and dying industry of Coir and 
Cashewnuts. They say that they will take 
into consideration the length of surface 
roads per lakh of population. This also is 
misleading, > Take for example, our district 
of Kririinagiri. It connects Bangalore and 


Madras City— two forward areas. It will 
not solve the problem because in this par- 
ticular case the length of surface road may be 
higher, but the area is backward. 

Therefore, what is required is, more re- 
fined concepts. 1 lay emphasis once again 
on the balanced approach. 

Sir, setting up of public sector units in 
backward areas alone is not going to solve 
the problem. We require an integrated 
approach and that is possible only if the 
plans are entrusted with the State Govern- 
ments and only if the districts are taken as 
units of planning 

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265 Mjtbn He. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Schemes Jar Backward Areas 266 


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267 Motion Me. 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Schemes /or Backward Areas 36S 


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“I am also glad to inform you that the 
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undertaking surveys and investi- 

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Pradesh.” 

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269 Motion Re. 


BHADRA 1,1894 (SAKA) 


Schemes for 270 
Backward' Amu 


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2?l MotiortRe. AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for 272 


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27S Motion Re. 


BHAORA 1, MHSAKA) 


Schemes far 274 
Backward Arras 


1 1 

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wwft *ffe ataat ^ffen arat at *Fvrc 
swt^ $ A * fmaaift rt tfaa aar fern 
£ atr it 5tTT ara r^r ^ i spt a?n 
wsr % ata ataa ^ t fa wfe era 
if atrr trm »t atf ftapr-ara *gt g*n 1 1 
ir at %aw ftwrc gt ar naar g fa ife 
m% at ara eth fear afe i murw 
ifet at featfeat srh affeft a srt <m 

# i <t a nea t er at ^jt a?r ?, art 3 
srfe «a % fefe Ta at fearfea at ar- 

TRTT I 

sfta mfaWR % % TO TO 

* frofTO-^cr # ^ sft, sftroft 
Tf^TT TOft sfrr ?ft jftTTTrft TOrf t'T 

ft <ftm XlY* 5 TO 30 fl'RT fTOT 

toit 36 <?tpj *tot *r Tot i 

TO HTTO *FT TO*? & fa 

^ fnrrt to ■'fT faro 

to^: to * wft sfasH faro fi 

TO *t *t$ 5Tft ^TOft |, 3Tf^F TO 

stt vfiro faqr toi £ 1 to^ to ^tt irttft- 
^ftTror froT 5n^ srYc *i?rr to jrfa 
^F^rr^n: % *>k<sTO ijr tto i 
t *sft TT5T TOT 5^ 5ft ^t TO TO7TT ^ 
^fro *f ^rr ^tt^tt ^ Pf> fsfa^H 
TT ^ TOr ^ 8 TOFT ?ftr sfrKTJT it 6 

toft ^ f f&nr *r ir et ftrfror* «ftr ^ 
Ircl firftrcr to to | i Ftoto m to 
% wref % 5tcn 1 1 ?r*r ^fr TOft ?tvt toto 

to?t 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Originally 
two hours were allotted for this debate, 
but on the demand of the Members the 
time has been extended. Today we are 


allotting three hours and the debate must 
definitely conclude at 5.30 today. At 
5.30 we have some other business. Now 
1 would like to know how much time the 
Minister wants for this, because we will 
fix it up according to that.— Half an hour. 

So the Members will finish their speeches 
at 5. The Minister stares exactly at 5 
and he concludes at 5.30. Theie is a large 

( Interruption ). There is the Mover also. 

So I think we will conclude the Member s' 
speeches at about 4 45. We give half an 
hour (o the Minister and a few more minu- 
tes. . . . . ( Interruption ). 

What is the point of order ? I am on my 
legs. Is my being on my legs a point of 
order 9 ( Interruption ). 

Order please. Now, we will conclude 
ihe discussion at 4 45 for the Members; 
for the Minister half an hour, and then 
the Mover of the Motion will have some 
time after that. 

Wha f I am saying is this. There is a 
large number of Members who still want 
to speak I will try to give an opportunity 
to each one of them. But l would request 
them to confine themselves to five minu- 
tes. Even so it may not be possible to 
accommodate evciybody. 

sft TOJTj mi : TOT TTTO 

itTTO f I TO faTO TOT TOHtT § 

TO % TOPI TOTTO TOTT TOTOTO B I 
TO $ it fTO fTOfi fir | *It[ TOPI 
TO f I 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER This 

is not a point of order; if there is any point 
of disorder, it is this. 

«ft TOH fTO TOJTO (TOfTOT) : TOTSW 
TOtro, tot to worrit fo?TO 
tot xk !, %fro Fifir ^ fa 
TOt TO TOT TOTOt % TO *TO- 

fro % it ft 5 rr^ ^r% fafror 



215 Motion Re $ AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes &r 276 

Backward Areas 


pft tow fww wgwtj 

fffi % TOW* TO IfiT Sf 22 TOT? WtW 
wkw-WFH wt frorow fkrfw Sr wt trow 
fcwfw Sr t wk to tot? wk Stot $ * 
Vht jft w?t # wtw wt to ®w *r 

filTOW ft T?\ f^T % TOW fcfWW TTTO 

wk fifww ww firo gw $ 1 tot to qftfrwfa 
*?t *jtrr<} % fro tow toT sstwt tot wt 
nw wtot fw^qvtdw* ftwfi tot ?i wttoVi 
fromf wTtotw wwrf w$ ?, 5 wfsft wtrot 
iT wwif w£ wtrorw ?, fro St firow 

I'wK TO 5WR Wft fTOT TOT ^ I 


PR wroY to-tottwt wt fafcw towt- 
frow f row ST yrtfe fro 1 1 fw w w*ft 

TOT wnww ujt TOTOWT TO fTOJW TOT STff 
fron | wk ?w * farow% ^wtroft tr% 
WTOTWT S I TO TOTW ^TTOfWTOW W^- 
fWW TTOTT St Wsft ?T T?T t I TOTfTW % 

fro sftr^ro wrswfro % wwrtSTwt wtto 
firT TO ft W TOiZ TOcT ^ far wftJTOTT WIW- 

wfro w^Y totto ^ fro to |, tot TfSr 

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TOTtWTT WTT*W ?, wSt WfTTT*£ W TOTOWT 
W m TO TO WTOT TOTW TOT? St I %fTO 

wtw % wrrw w?t fan fr k 6w fwrcit w 
otIwY to fwwfar ?twr wrf?w fro % wfrw 

fw^rw TO TTOTT ?tw ?> W% I TOTW 
Wf TOT Wt WTTOrT WflJW Wft WfWT WTTOT 
I fir fWTTT fifTT Wf WW ^TT? ST STTflTO 
tort % srnrrT to to *St to) ?kT wrf?w 
fww fifTT % ITOT ^ ^W *T 5it fWTOFH 
TOI ft5Y ^ TO TO 40 WfWTOT WTOT/^fT kT ftWT 
| Wf fifTT WTW TO ST fo®?T gWT ^ I WT^TO, 
TOTO, wfiWTTOi WTTO*T Wk TORT 
W TOTW UTfJ ifrt f^TfTT, f»R %■ WTOTT 

«r ftr %<r #r swMfn ft T^T | 
firfrc If f^rnt |i «r^t m*m 


% flTRTT k* l, 

ftfrr *f sm *mrr?r mm 1 1 ftfw *r 
t!*iH ^ttw $, ^nrra anft*r 

1 1 ft % iff fifrc: wwrr 

^ft | ftr ftfR vt itt viW'it sfr 

ftwft TW TTRT jfftHT % TPPT WT 

TT *ft Tf *TR t^T Vt tet*»< Ht^« fT 
^ |l 402 srfir *npw ttw fliftr 
^ ^ iff 1 1 ?ir^ irawT f^rr ^ 
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jfftRtf 5rpT^»rft»fh:wTfyTfT|’ 

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ft(H ^ i JiHuh wt tin Tnrmmr 

Mt TTT TT(T ?T «T(R T«% | fef 

HTfr jfpSRTVt 3PI ITPI THRT p5R % 

fri TI THIH ^ fjRTO 4W’ 
'TgfT % ^ ^?ir % Tit <nn4H i < | ?fk 
HMM4Kt «n % «T>HTt *IP|; V$ 
| fspT % SIN Tt ftr«TT U^I TPRT -4lf(« ( 
Tl'Tfw ^»T ^ ’TKTSNNt JH if q>WR 
?t >lf fsitT 3¥ ^T loi'ill *If jSTT | 
STTTrTN, f’PpTfspRIN «ltT Wl^fW % 
5?iNt 4n *ft sfr^fcr Prat gt ir fesm 
gl INT 1 1 %ftN ft^R IRWI, 3TTT 
Jltn SNfHT, TN*T % Prat T*TNt 
SRT*IT, *lnic4*r stVt »TS*T 5NTT % 5*ntT # 

snrit tift ^ ^rt gf |i rr srtnl # 
sign ^fr snrit | srtr tw %t stn 
H gt ?NFit ?ft Ilf ftin Pf STN % 

Prt igci ft TRis htt ft aiitin srtr stn 
TIT TT*TT3RT? TH NNT TR5T TT 15 ! ft T|*n l 

ftfn; vt forfa sum WT I? ftfTT 
^tfRift irf^fri araPF^tw^tsPr 
srflRT STN 589 {t< PifIT Vt 402^^1 
firfir^t ftrwi ^t ?ftfW (ft tor ¥t 
fwwr tit sprat mft 29.3 vftra« | Wft 

fjTfTT Jt %TTT 18.4 fPtTRT { I <ftT WtWl 



277 Motion He. 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) 


Schemes far 27t 
Backward Arete 


fasrf ^t fasr tpt st aftrtf %to i 
srfiwra fafttr if sff fasft ft 1 fa^rr 4? 
<jVt TOfat s?t tftfas sr h«ikh * tot* 
if 12 8 faro ftwr ft, SHTW 4 <*HI if 
13 Jiftnpt fawr ft, shpt if io Tffaro 
ftf«T 1 1 aftr Safaris SS ft TO fa artst 
ST HTHT Star ST $ft (fl - TO *HMSl TO 
TOST SlSSf if 5*1 TO Tft ft I ?St 

HTfT if fHSTft stT fasst % STH% if faSIT 

arfrr frost jitt fti fasrc % too sto *s 
rot * tots sat if fa* if str sore *rat 
S TO *Pt W MTS'S iff faro ST iffas vlf 
♦ITORt sftt ?> T?(f ft I fS?TT if 4 tTO 6 
nfatfld HtS S^tt if TH% | I ST^f dMlH 
sts stst if ft i reft srssst aft fa^rr 
if ft Tftt ft to to rfa+ivi fftrsf rot if 
wm ft, 'JSfl4H'H"f * dpi wini ft I SStTT 

TO ft fa frorc sg s pf fwst totot if ft 1 

Tf? 4r STHS if irf^T STH TOffS % 
TOT fftSTH TORT TOT ft, TO if 4TTO 9 
%riWf<Tf TfS TO ?STTO if TS f^JTTS if 
STSt ft I ?ft ft* 3HTTO if faro *n if SR- 
STS SSTSt StfaS HtT TO STS fTOTT 3TRT 
TOfftih *TT TJSTS ft fa STS TS 4TS ST 
SSTS 4 I 

HIT TOT TO if Sst if faTOS HIST HTjTS 
ft StT fTOS gs ISIS* Hf TOT SfTST HTsTS 
I iff TOST TOS SS fttST STfftS ft* SgS 

saft if sfs gtrrr % ^sht ro sss if 

STT* I TOS TO TO^TT S?t TOTST TO if 
aft ft I TO iff TOf^f TOT St TOSf ft 

fam t ft frost fates tots if farot sti 
to * affas tots if ijstt ht% % fro fros 

SfTOTS TOT Ht TSTSf fisf iff <. off TO 

jrfirro fros ^fror vf tot tot % to % 
fro to 4>t t *3 toth % s?f roft i aff 
iff TOTTOT St arret I far% % ^TOf Tf tffT 

TTTO % ^TOf <TT S? Sfjf SS if TT^ S^f 
«ff amff t wM ifTT 5BTS | f«F ft> TOT 
Wt jffarsr aff iff ror^ f fiwt rorsff % 


fW Mmi ^st^ si: rtr am % $rof 
to to <f?r TOrf^ro irmit 

.^tfart wta aft iff s^r to snftrei ft to 

Vt TO TOT 4ft fTRTTO TtfW fa TOT sit 
TOTfft ss jftromt % TTOfRTO TO fSTO 
a^ifti s?t Tft ^tsT s? | fa #ffif art 
irt^ ^ TO toh if s^t rot anifi faarr 
^rorroft vkit ftst ^ TO % «ftrif TO 
TOTH Sift ftST I TO STS 4> TOT fails WfS 
TOS S?T TfST STfTO I TO TOfat if Tfa TO 

tooths, faroft to faros %f(K sti wts 
sifts TOsf to faros HT^ %t arrocs 1 1 
^fts.rna^f anfsi aft r^rft ^ arj totst 
i? ssts if s^t TOrrf arret % i s|s ^ fcrr 

% srt if TO ^ TOT ft TOT Sff MrllfaS arsST 

4* sste 4* sat asrf stiff ft i sfars s^r 
'rnfss sroft anst ft a T T f ^r s % arfrs 
if str ro hh spt roffros 4; to iw 
vf s^tstts str arssr ro ssti sftt ro 

TO FT7 TO SS TOT STS STt SfaiSTS STS 

' 4.X 

^ ?t TT^ft I ifrr ^ ^TT I % VTT 
lT?Tr^^ 3ft «FtM 3* % W$ 
sr# ^ vt r <rct vtfW %ftr 3fwr wr 
frftr?r i arffe^r % %vT ^T 

cfrfw f3RT ^ 3F m Jpt lTt3RR ^ 3TR I 
rfhc *jfa wm vt H^r w ferret to | 
wt Mt »ft % h*M<i ; 3Rf 3fTT 
r^TRT TOR? ?t?TT t tftx ^r 
% f?r$ ^rPr gsrn: *p ?rraTTJW» 1 1 pftrt 
^ 3r^ft t fr v* tftsRT vt ^ rr tr 
5TTT fe^TT ^ W^R I ?T<ft f^T 

sr^fft vt ?ftr ft frot 3$ wft vr froro 
1 1 »lft ?ft Ph^. ^ ^Wn 
^ frot itir% xm * fat 

«ft qft^rtw *5$5ft (fept TOTO) : 
TTTWW MW]# % 25 VT5T % TO 

p hr ^ tfWhr TOrom p % 
wft t fTOTT TO Tt ^1 w t tr TO* 



279 Motion Re. AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes far 2S0 

Backward Area* 


[ftt aftiafaa $«ji<t] 

araa anat *?iaa af fa r ft ?rteft ft 1 
afttaa ft fr ?W & *W aR TO <TT fTOTT 

"TOft TT fttaT ?rt PTOT ft TOpr ft TOTOT 
| ft* fatWT TO*T fftTOT aTfTO «TT ^ aft«T- 
IW aga ftt ?W ft I ft TO giTO ft?T aigdT 

jf ft* atTOT 3 TTOT*T TT aaftt aTWTWa sftfa 
ft gu aw gsro Tftrro ataar «hihI arffta 
aftt ft* Sf#p CRT aft aaftt faita TOTO 

ft *fa TO ST *WTETW TOl %TO TO ftar 
arfftif aarra w % far aw sro Jr aftt 
•jftTOT atfti $aft, froi ga wat ft wTfan 

TO TO*T TOT aft ftt SI tfT[ % JTTETO ft TOW 
ftffta TO to 4> i 5hTu i *h a^ta hto to 
gWr aTffta i -ttto fta fa* to to agaata 
TOT aft wrata ®war % fftar ft aaarr 
Star ft ar aftt ? ft aw % fftroa awar 
TOfTO {T fft TO 5 ft*T WWM<T T fTOW % faa 
to Tto awfaarar fftw tow ft irat arfi?a 
aft ftt TO % fftft f® TO% TO TO ftPit 
aft TOWTO tow qi to aTO ft faaftfta f. i 
15.38 hrs. 

[Shri K.N. Tiwary in the chair] 
ftW TOK % TO* TfroW % aW TOTOt 
5 WT *('K ^ ftt, W ^ n"M ni****) 

TO*T TO 3TW ftt TO aft atT 3 aift TOT TTW- 
f*f*i] TO ITOnT T f TTTT I SRP tt^TT 

5* 1*1 ar to a;at Pro 

aftt TOW TOt STTOT ft tRTO fwfta TO 

♦<.*) % f*i^ to araaaa; ft fa; araat 
fttTOT it 3ft ftft TO STTOW aif TOT ft 
Prai aaraft aft aa ft tort awfftawT 
•a | atTOT 3TTTOT ft TOt sf)'»Hi*l TO TO 
TOtf ft TO ^ %TO wrftta TOWT 

ftt aft? TOtTT ft, ?a ft fftftt % fftft aftt 
aarf afta* asrft *pf ^fTOT sftr tot TOf toit 
t? nf f i 

tot farrt TOTO*r to totto to »t 

frarsTftn TORT | fro aft tt tPrttotot 
wPjr | TO tl fTOg to ^ TOTOW 
HR % TOfftTO TO TOTTOTT TOTW, 


Tftr vm t^ft?TOW TO TOTOWT fftSTT 

*r tort, %ftw to TOtrort it «ft Trofftr 
towt Tt Ttroro from It i to aficro 

TOfTO at % TO it ftTOTT Wfft TT% 
S atr froPw TORt % 5 ft»r at TOt fR- 
ttr >n^ £i toPto girw f 'm ft? tot 

TO TOff % TOTTO% at TOTfW TOW ft TO 

% to aftrr Tt trtot at aw to afimr 
a ft; to to awroff ¥t wroar % ftrft 

aw arrot i a> aw % i n'riwft<t *nw- 

aa ft to at at to tott at ftarro fttat 
arffta ft; *awta atat at aftp-rf aw faft 
atr tow'Pt atat ar ttswr faWi 

a« W» fftro % srrr *t to 7 fafw yr 
ftafa to ft fa to ar w % atat a 
aw la faar awr ft i at at arowr tot 
afta % aw ir %^s at ara it at awt ft, 
ft aw a am aia% wga a® - at aw ar 
araa p awar, aa ft ft "a tot tot at 
TOwt TOrat aft aftt faaT fti ft aw ft 
TO at froro awr aT?w I* fa <ftart to 
toPt fttror ft tot aw-amt T . at 57 
arftr wrr faar aw aftat qaaffa ftrroT 
ft 145 ar'w war faar 1 ftrar to at 
atart to toPt aftaaT ft 1 1 aftR itwt 
faar, tot aftat to toPt ataar ft 35 aft? 
?tot faar 1 fftaraa afta at eftaft to 
toPt ft ) tot ft 37 aft? war faar agr 
aftftt aaTOfa fttror ft 87 aft? tow Ptot, 
ftfaa a® at® % fsa afwwr at fta ftar 
at a^t fror aar 1 arwtr, ararft?, aaa 
awft fa«a far arft ?, atarw tro ft 
ftfaa to at aft aftarra wa ft 1 afa aTWtT 
at aroa arfaraw ft faat ^ aft TOift, 
aroa ^ta ft fa®ft ff ft, ga at. ?at |tt- 
feffta rwrfw ft fw am arffta 1 

aawfa agtaa : aa aw arw atfftft 

ftt aftawfa a ftwftt faf w asft ^t 
aat a afftft, at wra ^t ara sftfaa 1 



281 Motion**. 


BHADRA 1. 1894 (SAKA) 


Schema to 28® 

Backward Arms 


gwgfg gjttgg: qfg Pro % g?t 
5*tri wr q?t fira fa% gg wrr 
qfr mn ?Rg %gr gTfjpl i wr Rre ggy 
| <ft sjrm et^jt *p^t % f^TT art roi % i 
*W Wg Wg qClfaq gR gg gg r^li 
IT*BT g# ^1 

wft gfa'jtSrfgR Wnl . gg n<.?4 % fTOE 
|g 'f«iTTi % fgg *ttt qfr ctggrgt v\ tR? 
qrt rnp w^rn irrsr ggtgy wfeg ggY 

fgRT fgqgg ift gq>4l 1 1 gTHT gRg gY 5 ! 

TT^ g %ii— ti^Y gR ?’l Tift $ I OT It WIRT 

ggT g^ W ggRT I g% g %R if <lf!l«HT 
fgrpft gYg g 5TTR g fgggy % I 3vR g%9T 

qft *r+r qgifr ^grqg % gm fgTg gift 
Tgf £ I guff gtfWRg frrRg/gg 
SHIig g>t 'Ey? qTFt % fgg gg jTTCt Fj 
*rw ggr qr iTgjifar qr? ^u^ffyg fgTfag 
gw q^gT wwr w * Rrt wtrt ggr 

*TfT] f T *Mll I 

sgfgg g fagrr ,w^ T >J qggr qrgrr % 
fa frog Frfat T'r srftr^r g>gRg k, frei 
Tgyqg qg, wr gg qgRtggRYg qg fsfg- 
fgggg fj, wr qr> gfaq: srfgfgfacq 
gTfwr fag ftfg g sgq wg qw^y sgiqg 
qg git qgsgR, hhihj, fegrgg sfeg gT 
j*rr utrt qg Y fa f. i 

Wt srfat qr grg ^ qg »fr fgggg qRgr 
qigfrrg fa qnRT wrapt igr fag qg ^r 
ggg fglrffag q*Y dlfa fq WE g"i 1 4' % tTPT 

gqgY gwrarctr ti srt ^ gwrg ns ?fa i 

w° wf>gTn»m qr»Jq (g?qk) : ggT- 
qfg ggftq, *sfy gmrq qfy gfggR girr 

srfgTg qn qnrqg q> vt gq R fggqg q><Hi 
'gTggr g f% grog ir fcr Jf fgg jt^r ?y 
<rqr gfgR r g qRr B fggrg gygT grfgg 
qj gg fgqgg ggrty gRgT ¥f g^fgftrar 
% wi, jftafgT *TRftg ^y syq: syqr jfyfngy 
% g gl^ ^ «Bm ut gtggrtfy *r gg srgiK 


qfy gfegy % qrmr fagfr mftr gfrar 
gg gqrr gg?n TgT f q gt qgy i m yifg ?fy 
ggrt glgrf VT fggTff fff 5WIT % gw Rg 
ggT »py ggrr-gfRr sfY gR wg wnr 
wg>fy ’srfgg l ^gfy grg; grgt g>r fgg>TO, 
fw gfngiy grr fggro, fg?ffr wgg g^ 
gw, fgg gg fqr fgqgg gygT ggg wgww 
gT I gg %gg gqTT gYg gg STfg ggy 
f^ir qrr g?g ggy qfsggy ggrsr, TJgr- 
qgTg w gsg sygg qg ggg ggy %, 
gy frst fgr%|, fgg % srfgqgrr viftgitfl 

gT gfyq fqgg sfyg g># t, gg fgwt % 

fgqgg qg g?g ^ i gfg syqr % tw wg 
fgfii 4 % wyqi ?*gi+ 1 gor g^gr % wta 
S M 1 4 jTT qfqq gfggT g '*Tf qg g 

qgY ggT% t, ftw qg frogi ligrqg +^r qfnrr 

t gff fq^sT gRT grgT f sffr qft fgqgg 
^ gfcr g wgR qy# f 

g'*nqfg w, iy gw q%g qg gq> ggRfi 
RT gRrrr ^ i gig qtg % WTE q>, 
?TTggT fggrs ?gT% gy, ftfg g%qr % 
qrfgqg ^'ii+y qg grfgg gt wq qigg Rb 
gg g gg g ggRi qgqr qy, grqqg ott 
flVRg gF q^y gTEfg t gEg 5r%g it fggT 
v°vii qgq 4 fgqrg gqgtt ^ qft tn^ ^y 
g i qmg T q?y ^fg qR gq^r gw ggrq> 
^y FTg 4ggbr ^ qtq 1 1 %fq^r g? 
grcr ^rrqg gf sgjqg t fqg qfy frow WTqg 
qw ww 1 1 fg?R % wgr gt gt gn^g 

g »fy frot wrqfy % wgr t, qfirggy 

gggr gY gf g?y fggfg TrgFng t gt 
g?y frorr wnqg, fgg it wfiRTgY gg% 

fgqfys gtr ggg^f % gTgqrg qg Ygrqg 
gw frqr-qggBE qgfa gtw it fwq^ 
q^Tvn grw g %fqig gg qg gqgyg *1+ 
gr? it g^y tw gg qg fgqgg gft 
ft r ^ i gR g?r »y gggfgg gf^gy qR 
gtq> qgfgr smg gfr few w t^t fi if 
ggf g?yqg qg Egtg wfy fRqr ferngt wggt t 



AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward Aeea 284 


283 - Motion Xe.^ 

llT» *<pfrtKI<ia nt*i] 
fast prtf t at.'amm rt*HH $ atm 
n ^'5 *at» ttrr agt ar ftona at art* 
«rtr at agf Tgir m% $ p*T»ft rtam 
at mirt, mrtt rtaro % man mra*a 
am nrifih am fc* fnfa* mnff if 
paft ap mat martam ?i 

*ar *f aat agrtn ir fMiw to 
aig*n f* atam rtarn, aart rtam anr 
aar rtamlf if «ncm mama aft gf«? ir 
omf Mr ms at if naftar g an waff on 
Pram aa nfa if man gt a%mi am 
arcHaa aont % mm ir sg to art at 
tfWM % orta prtt ar rtam star % 
*#* ngr am irta ir pi oil on fura 
n$ gt TgT p am srt* if mrtnmt a| 
ait nrtt rt*a prat if rtait 25 mat if 
aataf at tamr nff gf $1 rtgra art 
oftnat am* if at pt nan: % mngmr 
$1 mrorm if aaafx ir, na at anmrt 
aart ait ftng anat at am np gtam* 
$1 to: gmra «a if atf at amron 
mnar tot aart t 1 pfmt tn fHaaa 
t fa at frot p pm f naif afsrarfaa 
armrrt mrrt to i 
rtaat % art it agar mma aami 
aa a^f faaat % art if onat aat gt 
art firt ntt agr aa faaat at 
am* | a? artt at artt ar^ft irirtpTp 
ft T^t 1 1 at faaat mat if arat mfp 
at rt*i gs aia t aaar rtam ftar mfgif, 
affaaa aft gfama gtnt mfp ng aft 
*r *w»ft sn Prat fft TO*t if rtr 
% sort f^a faaat * at am a^t 1 tot 
% prt if at ataf aa nrtt aaa gt ngt 
1 1 arm* ifaaaa 6.8 apt aa tot- 
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285 J&iton Re. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Schemes far Backward Areas 286 


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AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward A, <m 28* 


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BH/VDRA 1, 1W4<S4JW? Schemes for Backward J*r*$s 



491 Motion Re. 


AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemts for Backward Areas 292 


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Schemes fer Backward Areas 296 


295 Motion 1 M AUGUST 23, 1972 

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♦SHRIK. MALLANNA (MADHUGIRI): 
Mr. Chairman’ Sir, the motion before the 
House relates to the development of back- 
ward regions of U.P., M P. and Bihar. 
But the amendment moved by Shri Naik 
relates to the development of all the back- 
ward regions in the country. Since the 
amendment dwells on the broader aspects, 
I fully support the motion together with 
the amendment. 

While supporting the motion, I would 
like to draw the attention of the House to 
the fact that both at the Centre and 
States, the amount earmarked under various 
heads is not being properly spent. This 
has been particularly noticed in the Agri- 
cultuial. Public Works and Industrial 
Departments. On account of this the back- 
ward regions continue to remain back- 
ward and nothing tangible has been done 
to remedy the disquieting feature. 

My feeling is that we have not, first of 
all systematically identified the backwaid 
legions in the countiy after the States 
Reorganisation and taken preliminary 
steps to improve the lot of these areas* 
Immediate action in this regard is of para- 


*The original speech was delivered m Kannada. 



297 Morton Re. BHADRA 1 , 1894 (&4R4) Schemes for Backward Areas 298 


mount importance. For this purpose wc 
have to take district or taluk as the basis 
and an area is selected only after taking 
into account the per capita income, the 
unemployed figure, cultivable, non-cul- 
tivable and dry areas and the educational 
rules existing m that area. 

It is not enough that by setting up major 
industries, the backward areas would 
be developed. Along with that, we have 
to pay attention to set up Agro based in- 
dustries and small scale industries. If 
a concerted action is taken in the right 
direction, I am sure that within a short 
period there would be a visible improve- 
ment. Hence what is vital is a dynamic 
action and utilisation of allotted amount 
for the development of backward areas. 

Now that we are pui suing land reform 
measures vigorously, the Government 
should give all incentives to the tillers to 
augment agricultural production and there- 
by impiovc their lot. With these words, 
I fully support the motion with the amend- 
ment moved by our colleague Shri Naik. 

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299 Motion Jte. 


AUGUST 23, 1972 Schemes for Backward' Areas 300 


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301 Motion Re* BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Amis 302 


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SHR 1 K. RAMAKRISHNA REDDY 
(Nalgonda) . Sir, I come from Andhra 
Pradesh. In Andhra Pradesh, there are 
three regions. One is Andhra, another 
is Rayalaseema and the third area is 
Telangana and 1 belong to Telangana, 
It has most backward Districts. Since 
the past thicc years this area is in continue 
011s famine and drought conditions. In 
scveial places even now there is no dunking 
waler even though special facilities arc 
going to be given by lhe Government, 
Bui due to continuous famine and drought 
conditions in this area, special attention 
should be paid to this region. 

l he legional imbalance should be wiped 
out. P01 ihat purpose, for backward 
districts you must have a plan to give special 
attention to the backward districts of the 
area and the pi ejects which you take for 
the backward areas should be controlled 
by the Centre and not by the States and 
unless and until you do this the imbalance 
will not go away. 

Theic are not adequate major industries 
and medium industries in the State. 
Special attention should be drawn towards 
the provision of electric power, irrigation 
facilities also should be afforded. Commu- 
nication facilities including railway lines 
should * be piovided there. There should 
be a cut which should be effected in the 
forward districts and that cut should be 
given foi the benefit of the backward distri- 
cts. Then only regional imbalance will 
be wiped of 

The Devarkonda taluk of Nalgonda 
district has been included as drought- 
prone area. I request that the whole district 
excluding the areas served by Nagarjun 



303 Motion J?e, P 


AUGUST 23, 1 972 Schemes for Backward Areas 304 


sag&r should be included in this scheme. 
These should be declared as drought prone 
areas. 

Small-scale industries and medium-scale 
industiies should be started then. These 
backward areas should be encouraged 
to set up these small-scale and medium- 
scale industries. Unless and until you 
do it, the aiea will not develop The Plan- 
ning Minister, while considering and lormu- 
lating the Fifth Plan, should considci 
as to what h are the backward areas 
and districts and what ate the forward 
areas and districts and he she /d keep 
this in view at the time of formulation 
of the plan. Nalgonda district even in 
Telengana is a most backward District 
Special attention should be given to it. 
The projects for the development of the 
backward areas which are going lobe 
started should be under the contiolofthe 
Central Government. 

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SHRI VASANT SA1HF (Akola) : 
I come from the Vidarbha region. It is 
a most controversial region, thete has been 
agitation in that region already I hope 
you will give me an opportunity to speak. 

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305 Motion ret 


BHADRA 1 , 1 894 (SAKA) Scheme for Backward Areas 906 


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SHRI VASANT SATHE : It js a pay 
that after 25 years of planning 
we should ask the question . How is it that the 
rich regions have grown richer while the 
poor icgions have become poorei 7 That 
is a sad commentary on our planning. 

I would submit that what we are having 
today is, as one of our well-known econo- 
mists of our country has described, what is 
known as the puppy economy, meaning 
thereby that if five puppies are there 
and you keep a pot of grub before them and 
leave it to them, then the healthier puppy 
will grow healthier and the weaker puppies 
will remain weaker. That is exactly what is 
happening in our country. Therefore, 
we shall have to take a new perspective of 
our whole planning. 


I would like to make some concrete 
suggestions. Let the Planning Commission 
itself create an in-built machinery* It has 
failed to do so up till now. This in-built 
machinery should be in charge of the 
implementation of the plans. We make 
plans today. But who is implementing them? 
We leave it to the bureaucracy to imple- 
ment them, I am not one of those who like 
to condemn the bureaucracy 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, the hon. 
Member should conclude. 

SHRT VASANT SATHE : I have hardly 
opened my mouth and you are asking me 
to sit down, 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, there is no 
more time . 1 am calling the hon. Minister 
now 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : I am making 
only points. I am not making a speech. 
I shall only make some constructive sug- 
gestions. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : That may be so. 
But I have to call the hon. Minister now. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : You have 
given me one minute. Kindly give me two 
or three minutes more 

MR CHAIRMAN : No, I am sorry. 
That is why I am reluctant to call hon. 
Members 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : Another 
suggestion which I want to make is that let 
the MP’s constituency be made the lowest 
level implementation unit. Let the MP be 
made the head of the unit and let the entire 
bureaucratic set-up be with him, so that at 
the district level, the lowest level planning 
is undertaken and the MP and his body may 
be held responsible for plan implementation. 
Unless we go about in this manner, we can- 
not achieve results. 

Finally, I would like to submit that the 
plans like those for the twin city of Bombay 
are most suicidal both for Bombay and for 
the whole country. Two thousand crores 



AUGUST 23, 1972 Scheme far Backward Areas 308 


307 Motion Re * : 

of our national wealth being invested in 
one city is harmful to the entire nation. 

Therefore, this must be considered 
as a national problem. 20 under-developed 
districts can be developed with that much 
amount Why should leave it to a State? 

Lastly, may 1 invite your attention to 
article 371? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : No, no. The hon. 
Minister. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS Rose— 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Deputy- 
Speaker had decided that the Minister would 
be called at 4 45 He will take half an 
hour and then the Mover will have some 
time. Then there arc amendments to be 
d is posed of. There is a half-hour discussion 
at 5.30 . 1 am not in favour of extending 
time daily. 

SHRI VASANT SATHK . Why not 
have a cell of members who would like 
to discuss with the Minister in detail? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAI BAHADUR) : 
There ore only two or three members more 
who would like to speak. 

MR. CHAIRMAN No, about half 
a dozen. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR . Shn Karlik 
Oraon, Shn Jadeja, Shri Daga and Shri 
K.C. Pande are eager to speak for a few 
minutes. I would suggest that you call 
the Minister at 5 P.M and you may, if you 
so please, take up the half hour discussion 
at 5.45 P.M. 

* MR. CHAIRMAN : No. I will adjourn 
the House positively at 6 P.M. I am calling 
the Minister according to the decision of 
the Deputy-Speaker. I|am sticking to that. 

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING 
(SHRI D .P. DHAR) : Mr. Chairman, 


while it a is matter of pleasure tome to have 
listened with great attention and considerable 
interest to the views of hon. members on 
a question of such importance, it is also, 
at the same time, a matter of pain to me 
that it has not been possible for the whole 
House, for all the hon. Members of this House 
to participate in this discussion. All that 
1 have at my disposal is half an hour. I am 
quite prepared, if hon members wish that 
I should remain silent and not reply to 
this discussion, to hand over this half an 
hour to the Mr. Chairman, for being 
passed on to hon. members for whatever it 
is worth. 

SOMF. HON. MEMBERS : No, no. 

SHRI D P. DHAR . In that case, I would 
once again begin by acknowledging with 
gratitude the education that 1 have received 
on various elements of planning, a job 
which has been entrusted to me, from various 
members. 

It has been brought home to me how 
vital is the question of promoting balanced, 
proper and wholesale development of this 
country. It is true that there have been 
imbalances in the matter of giowth and deve- 
lopment in this country, both intra-slate 
and inter-state. It is also true that because 
of historical reasons or facilities which 
geography may have provided to certain 
areas, development has taken place in those 
areas at a faster speed and at an earlier 
date. Nevertheless, if one locks at 
this vast land of ours, one has to agree with 
a certain amount of remorse that we are 
backward , that we arc yet in the 
process of development and that we 
have to cover a long way before we can 
say that we have reached anywhere near 
the fruition of the dream that had in- 
formed our movement for the struggle 
for freedo m. 



309 Motion Re. 


BHADRA 1 , 1 894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Areas MO 


[Shtl D.P.Dhar] 

Nevertheless, it would not be wholly cor- 
rect to say that the distance which separated 
at the time of freedom, the attainment of 
freedom, the ugly realities which we in- 
herited, and the stage of development which 
we wished to reach remains unaltered, 
that the distance has grown as some hon. 
Members chose to say. I am particularly 
referring to one or two hon. Members 
from the Opposition. This distance has 
not vanished; it has not been obliterated. 
But undoubtedly, if you look at the process 
of development, if you look at the process 
of growth, certainly, from any standaids, 
from any norm, this distance has been 
sharply abridged. And it should be our 
endeavour not to grudge a loal or 
two more to our neighbour but to 
act concettedly, to act unifiedly to further 
abridge this distance till it vanishes. 

We have, not only in the Planning 
Commission but the Governmcnte of India 
as a whole, been painfully aware of the 
fact that in this march of development, 
some areas have been left farther behind; 
not only areas but some sections of our 
society have also stayed as back numbers 
in the race for development. This awareness 
on the part of the Governmcn! has been 
translated into appropriate measures in the 
fourth Plan, in the past Plans slightly less 
elaborately, but in the fifth Plan, eeitainly, 
this is going to be one of the basic, guiding 
stars of development as far as we are con- 
cerned* 

fa* t fa TO W 

fa*TC I 

SHR1 D. P. DHAR : I am trying to 
say what thing is new. I do not have the 
prescience to plead that the hon. Member 
already knows what I have said or what 
I am I going to say. But the fact remains 
that these studies have been made and these 
studies have jelevancc to the Fourth Plan 
period. The areas which are backward, 
the sections which are backward, the areas 


which are subject to natural calamities 
1 ike floods and droughts have been demar- 
cated and special plans have been enunciated 
and elaborated foi these areas. I would 
only illustrate this point particulaily for 
my hon. friend who is keen to know 
some new ideas. Some of these ideas 
which wc have taken into account for doing 
a certain amount of work to cure this ele- 
ment of backwardness are as follows. We 
have evolved a formula in the matter of 
allocation of central assistance by which 
after the allotment of central assistace to 
Assam, Nagaland and J. & Kashmir 
10 per cent of the remaining amount is made 
available to the backward States including 
some of the States where these backward 
areas as I have said, have been identified. 
The amount is sizeable ; it comes to 10% 
of Jls. 3,100 crores. It does not have that 
impact on the stituation because, while the 
amount is impressive — as I said it is 10% of 
Rs. 3,100 crores— the size of our country 
is much more impressive than this amount 
and the size of the problem is more com- 
plicated compared to the size of our re- 
sources. 

Nevertheless it is to be admitted, if I 
may say so with due respect, that the point 
that most of the hon. Members have made, 
that special attention in terms of special 
allocations should be paid to the backward 
regions or backward areas, has been well 
taken and special allocations have been 
made. We have taken some of the States 
for special consideration and these are; 
Assam, Nagaland, Jammu & Kashmir. 
The' total allocation of central assistance 
for these States is aout Rs. 400 crores. I 
must add hestily that Jammu and Kashmir 
was included in the list before I happened 
to be here. 

SHRI INDRAJJT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
Aie all these amounts calculated at current 
prices? 



311 Motion Re. 


AUGUST23, 1972 


Schemes for Backward Areas 312 


SHRI D. P. DHAR iThe price question 
is qpite separate. If we go on calculating 
the amounts according to the price indices* 
every day. Then Mr. Gupta who is himself 
an eminent economist will agree with me 
that no budget in any society under any 
system is possible to be made; we shall 
have to make an hourly budget. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Is it that bad? 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Your suggestion is 
as good as that. 1 admit that the prices 
will certainly have an effect on the size of 
the benefits which we had anticipated 
originally when these allocations wcie made 
that would accrue from these allocations. 

I do admit that puces do play that part but 
at the same time it is not possible to go on 
changing allocations from day to day 

Secondly almost the entire expenditure 
for facing certain problems like floods 
and drought are being paid by the Cenlte 
and the total provision for this put pose 
alone is about Rs. 307 crores. The entire 
expenditure on the development programme 
of hill and border areas is met by the 
Government of India. Ninety per cent 
of such expenditure in Meghalaya, 
Assam, Nagaland. Ladakh— Kushak Sahib's 
area— in Jammu and Kashmir, Lahaul 
and Spiti and Kmnam districts is met by 
way of grants. 

Only ten per cent is loan to the States. 
The pattern of Central assistance to the 
hilly and border districts of UP, Darjeeling 
of West Bengal and Nilgiris of Tanulnadu 
is 50 per cent grant and 50 per cent Joan. 

%1 00 hrs. 

AN HON. MEMBER : No change ? 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : As soon as we come 
to the Fifth Plan there will be many 
more changes. 

SHRI KARTIK ORAON (Lohar- 
daga) : What about the grant for the 
hilly areas of Chottanagpur and Santhal 
Parganas areas? 


SHRI D. P. DHAR: As far as Ghottanag- 
pur is concerned, the hon. Member would 
perhaps concede the existence of a special 
board which has been created for the special 
purpose of the development of Chottanag- 
pur under the chairmanship of the State 
Chief Minister. The hon. Member who 
has asked this question is the Deputy Chair- 
man of that Board, and that gives us great 
hope about the future of Chottanagpur. 

Similarly, my good and old friend, 
Shn Jyotirmoy Bosu, referred to the assis- 
tance which has to be, or should be, made 
available by various financial institutions. 
The following financial institutions, namely, 
the Industnal Development Bank of India, 
th? Industrial Finance Corporation of 
India, the Industrial Credit and Investment 
Corporation of India and the nationalised 
banks have been specially instructed to make 
available at concessional rates finances for 
the development of backward areas and 
effort-, at industrialisation of those areas. 

Ovei and above this, ten per cent subsidy 
has been piovidcd in two districts each 
from nine Slates for any investment up to 
Rs. 50 lakhs and for investment which goes 
beyond Rs. 50 lakhs the element of subsidy 
in a lump sum up to a maximum of Rs. 5 
lakhs is available. From this you will see 
that a considerable amount of effort has 
been made by the Cential Government, 
in conjunction with the States, within the 
constraints of our icsources, to make an 
impact on the development of those back- 
ward aieas. 

Over and above this, the question of rural 
electrification has been taken up as a special 
subject and the Rural Electrification Cor- 
poration has been set up for financing loans 
for electrification projects in backward 
areas. Loans are given at concessional rates 
in backward areas. Out of 132 schemes, 
52 schemes have already been approved for 
these areas. 



313 Motion Re, 


BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Scheme for Backward Areas 314 


[D. P. Dharl 

Recently, we have initiated some 
special programmes for rural development. 
These programmes are under ' the 
following categories: Special Farmers’ Deve- 
lopment Agencies 46, Marginal Farmers' 
and Agricultural Labourers’ Projects 41, 
Dry Farming 24 and Drought-Prone Area 
Programmes 54. 

These are some of the endeavours which 
the Ce itral Governement is making through 
the agency of the State Governments to 
make some impact on this undoubtedly 
difficult and important question of back- 
wardness of areas and populations. 

On the most important matters which 
I would like to bring to the kind attention 
of the hon. Members is that mere financial 
allocations cannot lead us anywhere. That 
in itself may be the evidence of good in- 
tentions. But those good intentions have 
got to be translated into field. They 
cannot be translated into field and, pci- 
haps one of the failures of planning in our 
country -1 have no hesitation in admitt- 
ing this — has been that we have not succeed- 
ed as a community as a whole, not merely 
a> Confess party or the ruling parly, 
as the total leadership that has been thrown 
up by this country m involving the peoples 
at the grass-roots in the process of planning, 
in the process of development As far as 
1 am concerned, as a member of the politi- 
cal party. Hake the fullest share of the blame. 
But I do not think that it is only the pre- 
rogative of a political party to have to do its 
job. It is the need of every political parly, 
of every social worker, of every person, 
who is concerned with the welfare of the 
p\oplc to involve himself mentally, psychol- 
ogically and physically and also the people 
amongst whom he works in the process 
of development, unless we are able to 
create a country wide awareness, a country 
widq consciousness, for planning, for 
development, for implementation of the 
plans, for watching the correct implementa- 


tion of the plans, any planning with the best 
intentions in the hands of anyone, in the 
hands of any party, will suffer from a basic 
•lacuna and from a basic inadequacy. 

That is why, we have ventured to suggest 
for the consideration of the State Govern- 
ments, for the consideration of the gentle- 
men who are accredited leaders of the peo- 
ple of this country, whatever may be the shade 
of their politics or opinion, that for the 
Fifth plan, let us take the bitter lessions of 
of the past and let us begin the process of 
planning from below. Quite a large num- 
ber of Members have suggested district 
level. I would go to the unit of a village; 

I would go to the unit of a block ; i would 
go to the smallest manageable rura unit 
as the basic unit, as the bas«c foundation, 
on which you can build the total edifice of a 
a Plan. Unless that it done, 1 think, we shall 
after making the Mid-term Appraisal of the 
Fifth Plan, be again making the same com 
plaints and voicing the same disappoint- 
ments which we have done during the two 
days while discussing this motion. 

I would, therefore, through you, Sir, be- 
seech the hon. Members that for the Fifth 
Plan, let us take steps from now on to or- 
ganise ourselves in a manner cutting across 
barriers of political dissension, political 
differences of opinion or any other barriers 
which separate “A” from “B'\ Then 
alone we can think of treating the Plan as 
a national objective Because, after ail; 
what is planning which is not a national 
objective. If it means the development of 
the people of India, then it is the objective 
of every citizen of India f o be involved in 
the achievement of this objective. As 
far as we in the planning Commission 
are concerned, please trust us to make our 
assistance available to all of you, gentle- 
men, in evolving this process, and we shall 
also give such assistance . . . 



315 Motion Re, 


AUGUST 23, 1972 Scheme for Backward Areas 316 


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SHRl D. P. DHAR: I have Noob- 
jcetion to speaking in Urdu or Hindi, but 
I think it would be unfau to those friends m 
this House who do not understand Hindi. 


So, we in the planning Commission, as 
I said, need not reorganize the pl&nning 
Commission. All that we need to do is 
to place our services at your disposal more 
frequently. . . . 

AN. HON. MEMBER : Change the 
basic policies. 

SHRI D. P DHAR: .and change the 
basic policies wherever those changes are 
suggested in a concrete form. We are 
prepared to change them It is not enough 
to be negative It is not enough to say 
that our policy is wrong. It is much more 
important to say how this policy can be 
improved upon And I, on behalf of the 
Government of India, on behalf of the plann- 
ing Commission, can assure this hon. House 
through you that we shall accept every 
concrete suggestion from whichever quar- 
ter it comes 

1 am souy, Sir, that I have to submit 
to the harsh limitations of time which could 
not be better planned. Therefore, 1 have 
to conclude hastily, and as you have been 
indulgent to other members for a minute 
or two, 1 hope you will be indulgent to 
me also if 1 take some extra time. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Take your own 
time. 

SHRI D P. DHAR: I apologise for the 
shortness of time, for not having been able 
to make specific reference to some of the 
specific questions that have been mentioned 
by hon. members in this House. 

] can assure every hon. Member who has 
participated in this discussion that we 
have taken copious notes of his suggestions 
and we shall, as far as it is within our power, 
do our utmost to act upon their kind 
advice . . 

SHRT VASANT SATHE : And build 
a machinery for the implementation. 



317 Motion Re. BHADRA 1, 1894 (SAKA) Scheme* far Backward Area 318 


SHRI D. P. DHAR,. .after examining 
these suggestions which they have been 
very kind and very gracious to make to 
us, to the Planning Commission, any, from 
which, I assure you, we shall been fit very 
greatly and we shall also tiy to accept them ■ 

As for as the in-built machinery is con- 
cerned, I must confess that I have not been 
able to understand its full import. Of course, 

1 have understood the import of other 
suggestions, namely, that the Member of 
Parliament should be the kingpin in his 
own constituency. I suppose the Planning 
Comm'ssion has not the authority to sanc- 
tion how an hon. Member should function 
within his constitutency. But I do not 
know what,will be the position of the MLA. 
But, nevertheless, the machinery for both 
pm poses of development, for accelerating 
development and for achieving the purpose 
of development, has got to be inbuilt m 
our society and that has to be done at the 
grass iooIs, 

Lastly, I must pay my debt to my very 
old friend, Mr. Bisht, and other friends 
from UP who come from the hill areas and 
infoim them that a good deal of work is 
being done by the Planning Commission in 
the matter of collection of data and statis- 
tics in the hill areas of UP and a special 
cell under the chairmanship of a Member 
of the* Commission has already been set 
up for this purpose and we hope to invite 
at their convenience all the members from 
the hill areas of UP, one of these days, 
to a meeting so that we can discuss some 
of the ideas that we have on the subject and 
benefit from th?ir advice. 

I have one last submission to make. 
We are now engaged very seriously in the 
preparation of the plan frame for the Fifth 
Plan period and this plan and also this 
peripd, is going to be very crucial. In 
this task I would once again, with all 
humility, appeal to all sections and all sides 


of this hon. house, to help the Planning 
Commission to produce something worth- 
while so that none of you will have any 
complaint in future. 

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319 Motion Re. 


AUGUST 23, 1972 Scheme for Backward Areas 320 


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MR. CHAIRMAN : There are some 
amendments. 

SHR I MOHAN CHARIA : My appeal 
to them is this May I request them not 
to insist on the amendments 7 

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T will put the amendments together tet 
the vote of the House. These amendments 
are : No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, No. 5, 
No. 6, No. 7, No. 8, No. 10 and No. II. 

1 am putting all together to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendments Nos. 1 to 8, 10 aw/ 11 were 
put and negatived 

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MR. CHAIRMAN : Is it the pleasure 
of the House that he should withdraw? 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes. 

MR. CHAIRMAN * By the pleasure 
of the House, he is allowed to withdraw 
it. 

The motion was, by leave , withdrawn . 
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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : (Kanpur) : 
Generally, non-official Resolutions and 
Bills are withdrawn, but here, it is a Motion 
under a particular provision of the Rules 
of Procedure. It is intended for discussion, 
it is not to be withdrawn. How can he 
withdraw it? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Are you object- 
ing to it? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE - I am not 
objecting, but I am telling about the pro- 
cedure 

MR. CHAIRMAN : you are wrong to 
say that is not the procedure. 

SHRI MOHAN DHARIA : Shri S. M. 
Banerjee is very much right. If any 



321 Motion Re. BHADRA 1, 1 894 (SAKA) Schemes for Backward Areas 322 


(Shri Mohan Dharia) 

amendments had been adopted, then there 
would have been voting on the motion. 
But since there are no amendments re- 
maining now, naturally, this motion alone 
remains, and it need not be withdrawn; 
it has been discussed and it can be treated 
as talked over. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : I shall have to 
take the pleasure of the House. If he with- 
draws it, it will not be put to vote. 

The hon. Member has sought the per- 
mission of the House to withdraw it, and 
the House has given permission to him and 
he has withdrawn it. That is according to 
the rules. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : This is some- 
thing strange. The motion cannot be 
withdrawn. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : It can be with- 
drawn. That is the rule. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEJE : It means that 
whatever has been discussed has been lost? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Members have 
given him permission to withdraw it and 
he has withdrawn it. 


MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, there is a 
half-an-hour discussion to be raised by Shri 
K Lak kappa. The hon. Member is ab- 
sent. 

So, the House will now stand adjourned 
and meet again at 11 a. m. the day after 
tomorrow. 

17 27 hrs. 

The Lok Sab/ia then adjourned till Ele- 
ven oj the Clock on Friday , August 25, 1972/ 
Bhadra 3, 1894, ( Saka ). 


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CONTENTS' 


No. 18— Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3, 1894 ( Saka ) 


Columns 

Oral Answers to Questions— 


*Starred Questions Nos, 341, 344 to 347, 330, 333, 333 to 337, 339 


to 360 and 351 


... 

1-32 

Written Answers to Questions— 

Starred Questions Nos. 342, 343, 348, 349, 332, 354 and 338 


• M 

32-37 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3417, 3419 to 3441, 3443 to 
3492 to 3536 and 3558 to 3579 

3490, 

tee 

37-171 

Re. Calling Attention Notice and Motion for Adjournment 


• i « 

171-73 

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— 

Demands of employees of Reserve Bank of India, Calcutta 
Government’s reaction thereto 

and 


174-88 

Re. Railway accident near Kadayanallur on Southern Railway 


••• 

188 89 

Re. Business of the House ... 


• • • 

189-91 

Re Drought in Bihar 


• •V 

191-92 

Papers laid on the Table ... 


Ml 

192-93 

Messages from Rajya Sabha 


• M 

193-94 

Assent to Bills 


... 

194-95 

Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House 

Seventh Report 

.. 

19 $ 

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill— 

Motion to consider ... 


• M 

193-236 

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh 


Ml 

195—98 

Shri Jharkhande Rai 


••• 

198-204 

Shri M. C. Daga 


• •• 

204-11 

Shri E. R. Krishnan 


Ml 

211-15 

Shri Biswanarayan Shastri 



215-17 

Shri Jagannathrao Joshi 


lit 

217-21 

Shri Banamali Patnaik 


• ■ • 

221-24 

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan 



224-31 


* The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually 
asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 



Columns 


Clauses 2 to 33 and 1 


Motion to pass, as amended 

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill— 

236 

Motion to consider 

... 

236-42 

Shri Shahnawaz Khan 


236-40 

Shri Krishna Chandra Haider 


240-42 

Committee on Private Members’ Bills and Resolutions 

Seventeenth Report ... 

Resolution re. Urgent Problems of Economic Stagnation of West Bengal— 

242 

Withdrawn 


243-85 

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury 


243-45 

Shri H. N. Mukerjee 


245-50 

Dr. Karan Singh 


250-52 

Shri Samar Guha 


252-56 

Dr. K L. Rao 


256-61 

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 


261-64 

Shri S. R. Damani 


264—66 

Shri D. P. Dhar 


266-77 

Shri Indrajit Gupta 


277-85 

Resolution re. Problem of Unemployment— 

Shrimati Maya Ray 


285-91 

Half-an-Hour Discussion 

Upgradation of Cities and Towns 

... 

291-302 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya 

... 

291-96 

Shri K. R. Ganesh 

... 

300-2 



CONTENTS 


No. 18— Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3. 1894 ( Saka ) 


Oral Answers to Questions— 

♦Starred Questions Nos. 341, 344 to 347, 330, 353, 35S to 357, 359 


Columns 

to 360 and 351 

Ml 

1-32 

Written Answers to Questions— 

Starred Questions Nos. 342, 343, 348, 349, 352, 354 and 358 

... 

32—37 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3417, 3419 to 3441, 3443 to 3490, 

3492 to 3556 and 3558 to 3579 

■ 

37-171 

Re. Calling Attention Notice and Motion for Adjournment 

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- 

Demands of employees of Reserve Bank of India, Calcutta and 

Ml 

171-73 

Government’s reaction thereto 

Ml 

174-88 

Re. Railway accident near Kadayanallur on Southern Railway 

• •• 

188 89 

Re. Business of the House ... 

• • • 

189-91 

Re Drought in Bihar 

... 

191-92 

Papers laid on the Table ... 

• •• 

192-93 

Messages from Rajya Sabha 

• •• 

193-94 

Assent to Bills 

• • • 

194-95 

Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House 

Seventh Report 


195 

Antiquities and Art Treasures Bill— 

Motion to consider ... 

... 

195-236 

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh 

... 

195-98 

Shri Jherkbande Rai 


198-204 

Shri M. C. Daga 

... 

204-11 

Shri E. R. Krishoan 


211-15 

Shri Biswanarayan Shastri 

Ml 

215-17 

Shri Jagannathrao Joshi 

• •t 

217-21 

Shri Banamali Patnaik 

Ml 

221-24 

Prof. S. Nurul Hasan 


224-31 


* The sign + marked above tbe name of a Member indicates that the question was actually 
asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 



Columns 


Clauses 2 to 33 and 1 

Motion to pass, as amended ... ... ... 236 

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill- 

Motion to consider ... ... 236—42 

Shri Shahnawaz Khan ... ... ... 236-40 

Shri Krishna Chandra Haider ... ... 240—42 

Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions 

Seventeenth Report ... ... ... ... 242 

Resolution re. Urgent Problems of Economic Stagnation of West Bengal— 

Withdrawn ... ... ... 243-85 

Shri B. K. Daschowdhury ... ... 243—45 

« Shri H. N. Mukerjee ... ... . - 245—50 

Dr. Karan Singh ... ... ... 250—52 

Shri Samar Guha ... ... ... 252—56 

Dr. K. L. Rao ... ... 256-61 

Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya ... ... 261—64 

Shri S. R. Damani ... ... ... 264—66 

Shri D. P. Dhar ... ... ... 266-77 

Shri Indrajit Gupta ... ... ... 277—85 

Resolution re. Problem of Unemployment— 

Shrimati Maya Ray ... ... ... 285—91 

Half-an-Hour Discussion 

Upgradation of Cities and Towns ... ... ... 291—302 

Dr. Laxminarain Pandeya ... ... ... 291—96 

Shri K. R. Ganesh ... ... ... 300-2 



LOK SABHA DEBATES 


i 

LOK SABHA 


Friday, August 25, 1972/Bhadra 3, 
1894 ( Saka ) 


The Lok Sahha met at Eleven of the Clock 
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair] 

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Relief in Debt Repayment 

+ 

*341. SHRI P GANGADEB : 

SHRI SHR1K1SHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Wo* Id Bank is trying to 
persuade members of the Aid India Consor- 
tium to double the £ 100 million debt relief 
given to India every year ; and 

(b) whether India’s repayment problems 
have been discussed with Woild Bank consul- 
tant Dr. H C. Coombs and and if so, the 
outcome o f the discussions ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) * (a) and (b). 
India’s debt repayment problems have been 
discussed with Dr. H. C. Coombs, who had 
been engaged as consultant by the World 
Bank to make recommendations for debt relief 
to be provided by the members of the India 
Consortium for the last two years of the 
Fourth Plan. On the basis of his recom- 
mendations the quantum c f debt relief to be 
provided by the Consortium for the current 
year is being discussed by the World Bank 
with the other members of the Consortium. 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : Have Govern- 
ment worked out any programme of repayments 
a nd the possible availability of resources 
including aid flows over the next three years ? 
if so, what are the broad details ? 


2 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
The total debt service repayments to consor- 
tium countries is estimated to be about $ 1130 
million in the coming two years. The main 
problem is about obtaining debt relief in the 
repayment of this amount. As . to what 
actually happens, we will have to see. We 
will have to consider from what resources the 
commitments have to be met This is a matter 
to be processed further. 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : In view of the 
fact that some members of the consortium have 
been reluctant to effect any increase in their 
aid commitments, have Government made any 
approaches to these consortium members re- 
garding rc-schcduling of loans ? If so, what 
is the reaction of the countries concerned ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
Really speaking, the World Bank itself is 
taking interest in this ma’ter and talking to 
different member countries. Dr. Coombs 
liiinscll went round and discussed this problem 
with the consortium mcmbcis. I hey even 
visited us and had some discussions with us 
also But nutu.aSly this is a matter that will 
have to be watched. We cannot just be in- 
different to it ; at the same time, we cannot 
also run aflei the countries for it. 

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SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN : I 
have answered many questions in the form of 
answers to Starred Questions and Unstarred 
Questions. If he refers to some of those 
documents, he can get the information. I 
have not got the information now with me. 
As far as the present question is concerned, 
it is about debt relief — what debt we are sup- 
posed to pay including interest and capital in 
the coming two years. I gave the figures 
about that. It comes to nearly 1,130 million 
dollars. 

Proposal to Arrange Air India International 

flight from Calcutta to London and Paris 

4 * 

*344. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 
MUNSI : 

SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have under con- 
sideration a new proposal to arrange Air- 
India International flight from Calcutta to 
London and Paris ; and 

(b) if so, when it will be finalised 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b) Effective November 3, 1972, 

Air India will introduce a new flight which 
will originate in Calcutta* and terminate at 
London. The routing of the flight will be : — 

West bound : Clacutta- Bombay— Cairo— 
Geneva — Paris —London . 

East bound : London— Geneva — Rome — 
Cairo -- Delhi — Calcutta. 

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : 

I am very much pleased to get this answer 
from the hon. Minister. It was announced 
many times before by the Ministry that the 
Civil Aviation Department will take the best 
help possible from the International air ter- 


minal building for the Calcutta airport also. 
It is unfortunate that in the last two years 
most of the international air traffic has totally 
collapsed in respect of the operations from 
the Calcutta airport for many reasons. I 
would like to know from the Minister whether 
he will take best efforts to utilise the Calcutta 
airport for the effective landing of Jumbos so 
that more international air traffic can operate 
through Air India and other airlines ? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : The international 
air services are operated under bilateral agree- 
ments. It is true that a number of foreign 
airlines have pplled out of the Calcutta airport 
much to our distress. As far as the Ministry 
is concerned, we are trying our best to utilise 
the international air terminal building. One 
of the suggestions was that it might be utilised 
for domestic jet traffic also. I must say that 
that was a suggestion which commended itself to 
me, because there was a lot of spare capacity, 
but that would involve quite a heavy additional 
expenditure on the part of the Indian Air- 
lines. 

As far as jumbo is concerned, the jumbos 
are at present operating on the west-bound 
route. When they start operating to Tokyo, 
certainly Calcutta will also at that stage be 
covered by the jumbos. 

SHR1MATI MAYA RAY : Would the 
hon. Minister kindly give us an assurance that 
when these flights start operating from Lon- 
don to Calcutta, the passengers are not asked 
to disembark at Bombay, which I personally 
have experienced on a number of occasions 
in the past ? Would he kindly give that 
assurance ? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : The whole point 
of having this service originating and termi- 
nating in Calcutta means thae the passengers 
will certainly not be asked to disembark at 
Bombay. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, may I 
know from the hon. Minister whether he is 
aware that the new international airport which 
has been constructed at Dum Dum looks like 
a haunted house in the absence of any passen- 
gers there ? In view of the fact that a large 
amount has been spent there to construct this 
airport, may I know whether the number of 
international flights is increased to see that 



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BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


Oral Answers 6 


this money is properly utilised and the terminal 
also utilised. 

DR. KARAN SINGH : As I said, it is 
not possible for us unilaterally to increase the 
international flights on other airlines because 
they function according to their own commer- 
cial judgement. But as far as Air India is 
concerned, this point was raised that there was 
no flight originating at Calcutta, and for this 
very purpose, we have now introduced this 
new flight which will also be marginal, and I 
hope that traffic will pick up from that. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : While 
appreciating the hon. Minister’s statement that 
they will operate the service from 3rd 
November, may I know from him how many 
flights there will be both to the west-bound 
and to the east-bound of Calcutta. 

DR. KARAN SINGH : At present, a 
total of 110 international scheduled flights 
operate every week to and from Calcutta. 
That includes a large number of foreign flights 
as well as international flights operated by 
Air India and Indian Airlines. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
The Question relates to the Minister of Civil 
Aviation and also to the Dum Dum Airport. 
May I know whether it is a fact that for 
sometime past cancellation of flights of 1AC 
has become a icgular featuie which is causing 
serious inconvenience to the passengers, spe- 
cially at night... 

MR. SPEAKER Wait for another 
Questions. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
This is regarding Dum Dum Airport. It has 
come in the press. The Minister can easily 
reply to that. I am not asking any irrelevant 
question. This has become a regular feature 
and, at night, the passengers are put to a lot 
of difficulties-.. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t argue. 
If you are there to judge the relevancy of the 
question, I have no business to sit here. The 
House need not have the Speaker if the Mem- 
bers are going to judge the relevancy of the 
question themselves. I am so sorry. I am 
not allowing it. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : I 
am making a humble submission. Kindly 


allow me to get a clarification. Everybody is 
afraid to go to the Dum Dum airport... 

MR SPEAKER : There is another Ques- 
tion. Let him wait. He has no patience to 
listen to me. 

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : I 
would request the hon. Minister to tell us 
when the flight from Calcutta to Tokyo will 
start. 

DR. KARAN SINGH : We already have 
flights from Calcutta to Tokyo by 707. They 
go every week. About Jumbo jets, it has not 
been decided. Probably, it will be sometime 
in 1974. 

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI : Has any 
inquiry been undertaken by the Ministry of 
Civil Aviation to find out what lies behind the 
disinclination of International airlines to use 
Calcutta airport ? The Minister has referred 
to the commercial judgment. Is there any 
reason to believe that there is collusion of 
travel agencies and also of international air- 
lines to organise these things to avoid Calcutta 
or to overfly Calcutta ? 

DR. KARAN SINGH : I do not think 
there is any such collusion because it is in the 
interest of travel agents that more and more 
people should fly and they get their commis- 
sion. Of course, the* reasons are many. Their 
commercial judgement, I feel, is based on the 
fact that for 3-4 years, the political conditions 
in West Bengal were very disturbed, I think, 
that has had an effect upon the thinking of 
foreign airlines. But I would not like to 
speak for them. I am just, as the hon. member 
asked the question, venturing a guess as one of 
the factors which may have been responsible. 

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Oral Answers 8 


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THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). 
No formal communication as mentioned in the 
Question has been received from the Govern- 
ment of Bihar. However, the Sixth Finance 
Commission would no doubt take into account 
the financial position of the States while re- 
commending their share in Central taxes and 
duties and granfe-in-aid under Aiticle 275, for 
the Fifth Plan period. 

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question is about assistance foi the Fifth Five- 
Year Plan. Really speaking, the Bit ar Govern- 
ment has got its problem of overdtafts, they 
have certainly the problem of drought They 
do come for certain problems. We consider 
those problems and try to solve them But 
here I am answering the question what assis- 
tance is to be given and what is the method 
to be adopted by the Sixth Finance Commis- 
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th$y had made certain demands. The Central 


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Integrated Time Table for Kail-cum-Road 
cum-Air-cuni-Sea Travel for Tourists 

*346. SHRI B. V. NA1K : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any attempt has been made 
to introduce integrated Time Tables for rail- 
cum-road-eum-uir-cum-sca travel for tourists 
in this country ; and 

(b) if so, the outcome thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION (DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI) : 
(d) No, Sir. However, information regarding 
rail, road and air services is incorporated in 
the inserts produced by the Department of 
Tourism, The Department also produces a 
concise tourist Railway Time-Table for the 
benefit of tourists. 

(b) Docs not arise. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Before an integra- 
ted time-table for rail-road-air-sea travel is 
produced, I want to know whether we have a 
sort of time-table in respect of road services 
in the country, the services by bus which carry 
the maximum number of tbe common people 
of this country, even greater than the total 
number of people who travel by rail. 

DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : Every road 
system has got a sort of time-table. On be- 
half of the Department of Tourism, when we 
bring out folders and small pamphlets, we try 
to put therein the road time-table alio ip 
those regions. 



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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 10 


SHRI B. V. NAIK : I am afraid the 
hon. Minister has not had the opportunity of 
travelling by road in recent years. The major 
portion of our road transpoit is in private 
operators’ hands. Wherever we have got 
State transport or Government transport 
system, we have at least some semblance of 
road time-table. But, by and large, we do not 
have a time-table for road transport. Is that, 
therefore, a case for nationalisation of entire 
road transport in the country ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing this 
question. We are not concerned here with 
nationalisation of all these. You better ask 
a relevant question. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : It is a question of 
major impoit for our people. If you see the 
rail and air services, you will find that we have 
got first class time tables. But when it comes 
to road transport, wc do not have a time-table. 
Is that a ease enough for doing something 
radical in this behalf ? It is veiy relevant. 
Sir. It is a question of the masses. 

MR. SPEAKER : You may address this 
question to Shn Raj Bahadur. It is a very 
good idea that you have given. But it does 
not come vnder Civil Aviation. 

Sources of Crude Supplies and Existing Capa- 
cities of Public and Private Refineries 

*347. SHRI S. R. DAMAN! : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the existing refinery capacity both 
under public and private sector and the extent 
of utilization ; 

(b) the sources of crude supplies on 
which these Refineries are depending and the 
amount of foreign exchange spent thereon 
during the last three years, year-wise ; and 

(c) the salient features of proposals for 
expansion during the Fourth and Fifth Plan 
periods and how the supplies of crude will be 
met ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE, AND PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) 
The existing capacity in the public sector is 
13,3 million tonnes. It k utilised to the extent 


of 11.6 million tonnes. The balance 1 million 
tonnes capacity at Barauni refinery is being 
progressively commissioned on imported crude 
oil from Iraq commencing from the end of 
this year. The balance 0.7 million tonnes 
capacity at Koyali Refinery will be commission- 
ed as increased production from North Gujarat 
crude oil fields materialises by the end of next 
year. The licenced capacity of the four pri- 
vate sector refineries was only 5.075 million 
tonnes. During the current year they have 
been allowed to operate to the extent of 7.55 
million tonnes. 

(b) The four inland refineries including 
the private sector refinery at Digboi operate 
wholly on indigenous crude. The five coastal 
refineries are importing crude oil from Iran 
and Saudi Arabia. The foreign exchange spent 
on these imports in the last three years were — 


in 1969 Rs. 94 Crores 

in 1970 Rs. 102 ,, 

and in 1971 Rs. 140 „ 


(c) A statement is placed on the Table 
of the House. 

Statement 

The salient features of schemes for expan- 
sion of refining capacity during the Fourth 
and Fifth Plan periods which have crystalli- 
zed so far are as follows : — 

(i) Cochin Refinery : In March, 1971, 
the refinery was granted an indus- 
trial licence to expand its capacity 
by about 1 million tonnes annually. 

1 The estimated cost of the project is 
Rs. 5.11 crores. The additional capa- 
city is expected to be commissioned 
in 1973. Supply of crude will be 
met by import. 

(ii) Barauni Refinery : Although the 
refinery’s capacity is 3.2 million 
tonnes, it is operating at 2.2 million 
tonnes per annum due to the limited 
capacity of the pipeline from the 
Assam fields. It is proposed to uti- 
lise the balance capacity of the refi- 
nery by processing imported crude. 
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AUGUST 25, 1972 


Oral Answers 12 


East mostly being high sulphur crudes 
certain modifications/additions are 
being carried out in the refinery to 
enable it to process high sulphur 
crudes. The estimated cost of the 
project is Rs. 13.6 crores and it is 
expected to be completed by mid- 
1974. The idle unit at the refinery 
is, however, expected to be commis- 
sioned by the end of 1972 by utilising 
crude oil proposed to be imported 
from Iraq. This crude has nearly 
2 % sulpher against almost sulphur 
free crude from Assam. As a result, 
pending the completion of modifica- 
tion works by mid-1974, the 3rd unit 
will be operated at a lower capacity 
of 0.7 million tonnes only. 

(iiij Koyali Refinery : Although the 
design capacity of the refinery is 3 
million tonnes per annum, by a pro- 
cess of re\amping and debottlenecking 
it has already been increased to 4 3 
million tonnes per annum. The 
Working Group constituted to exa- 
mine the question of further expan- 
sion of the refinery in all its aspects 
submitted its report in November, 
1971. The report has been examined 
and the Indian Oil Corporation have 
been asked to prepare a feasibility 
report for expansion of the refinery 
to 5.5 million tonnes per annum de- 
signed to process imported crude 
supplemented with indigenous crude. 

(iv) H aid la Refinery : A refinery with 
a capacity of 2.5 million tonnes per 
annum is under construction at Hal- 
dia in West Bengal. This project is 
expected to come on stream by the 
third quarter of 1973? 


to the refinery site at Mathura. The 
refinery is expected to produce motor 
spirit, naphtha, high speed Diesel 
Oil, Kerosene Oil, Light Diesel Oil, 
Furnace oil (including feedstock for 
fertilizers), LPG and Bitumen. A 
special feature of the refinery project 
will be the provision of a one-million 
tonne Hydrocracker to cod vert heavy 
residue into more valuable middle 
distillates for which there is a large 
and growing demand in the north- 
west-region. The refinery is likely 
to be ready for commissioning by 
1978. 

(vi) Bongaigaon Refinery : Govern- 
ment have decided to set up a million 
tonne grass-roots refinery at Bongai- 
gaon in Assam together with a DMT / 
polyester fibre petro-chemical com- 
plex. 

The Bongaigaon refinery will 
process mixture of ONGC and OIL 
Crudes. The existing Oil India 
pipeline from Naharkatiya is being 
expanded in capacity to transport 
this additional one million tonne 
crude from the ONGC fields to Bon- 
gaigaon. The project is expected to 
come on stream in 1976. 

(vii) Fifth Plan Projects : Koyali 
expansion and the construction of 
new refineries in the North West and 
at Bongaigaon as also the modifica- 
tion of Barauni Refinery will only be 
completed during the Fifth Plan 
period. The other projects for the Fifth 
Plan period are under consideration of 
a Task Force appointed by the 
Planning Commission in the light of 
the recent recommendations of the 
Fuel Policy Committee. 


(v) North West Refinery , Mathura • 
The refinery, to be set up at Mathura, 
will have a capacity of 6 million 
tonnes per annum and will be the 
biggest oil refinery in the country. 
The crude oil requirements of the 
refinery will be met by imports. 
Crude Oil to be imported will be 
received in the Gulf of Kutch where 
an offshore 'single buoy mooring' 
facility will be provided. From there 
crude oil will be brought to a shore 
terminal and therefrom by a pipeline 


2. The gap between the indigenous avai- 
lability of crude oil and the total 
requirements will be made good by 
imports. 

SHRI S R. DAMANI : As far as refin- 
ing capacity is concerned, I think the 
Government has done impressively. But, as 
far as production of crude oil is concerned, we 
are very much lagging behind. We are still 
importing a large quantity of crude oil from 
other countries which costs foreign exchange. 
Our exploration programmes are still lagging 



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Oral Answers 14 


behind. Sometime back government offered 
to purchase crude oil and supply to private 
refineries. What is the reaction of the private 
refineries to the government supplying them 
crude oil ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : In fact, there 
are two questions in this. One is with regard 
to exploration. The hon. Member says that 
exploration has not been adequate. This is 
not related to the other question. On this 
all I can say is that we have reached nearly 
the target of 8 million tonnes, which is not a 
poor target, although we certainly desire to 
reach more. Efforts are being made to have 
both inland and off shore exploration. As 
the House knows, off-shore drilling will start 
somewhere late this year or early next year 
after the platform is ready. Then we expect 
Substantial quantities will be explored. The 
second question was whether efforts were 
being made by some private companies for 
refining oil supplied by the Government, and 
not imported by them. I believe that is the 
implication of the question. All such offers 
were always accompanied by such onerous 
conditions that without detriment to our 
interest we could not accept them. 

SHRI S. R. DAMANI : Government 
made an offer to supply crude to the lefinenes 
hecause the refineries are otherwise increasing 
their prices. During the last few years the 
refineries raised the prices often when Govern- 
ment staid "no, you cannot increase the 
prices ; we will supply you the crude.” What 
has happened to that proposal ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : So far as the 
foriegn oil companies, to which probably the 
hon. Member has made a reference, are 
concerned, there are three coastal refineries 
in the private sector. They have consistently 
stood by their agreements which provided 
that they will be entitled to import their own 
crude. All our efforts to see that we import 
crude for them have not succeeded. 

SHRI S. R. DAMANI : The hon. Minister 
has referred to exploration work Is there 
any tinte-bound programme for exploration 
of crude oil ? 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I could not 
follow. What does he mean by ‘pro- 
gramme*— 'time-bound programme* ? For 
what ? 


MR. SPEAKER : I am trying to follow 
him. About exploration, he asks whether 
there is any phased programme, any time- 
bound programme. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : There is a 
time-bound programme as the House knows 
already because it was stated here more than 
once before that a joint team of ONGC and 
Russian experts have gone into this question. 
This is not directly related, so, I do not have 
the exact figures, I know that they have 
come to the conclusion that within the first 
five year period we are in a position to dis- 
cover reserves to the tune of six to seven 
million tonnes and in the subsequent five year 
period we will be reaching a target of thirteen 
million tonnes. That joint recommendation 
was one of the recommendatious that has 
been accepted and put into implementation and 
there is a possibility. 

SHRI RAJA KULKARNI . Is the 
Government aware that the ESSO and 
Burmah-Shell refineries in Bombay had re- 
sorted to restrictive production practices by 
importing less crude on the ground of non- 
availabil : ty of foreign exchange? 

MR. SPEAKER My dear Rajaji. it is 
not relevant 

SHRI RAJA KULKARNI : I will clarify 
the point 

MR. SPEAKER : Why are you going 
that far ? The question is about the capacity 
of refineries. You are bringing in ESSO, 
Burmah-Shell, etc. You may ask a separate 
question about it. 

SHRI R. S, PANDEY : With regard to 
the question of essential commodities which 
are to be imported by the private sector, in 
order to avoid the mal-practices, the import 
of these essential commodities has been 
channelised through the STC. I would like 
to know whether the Government have got 
any scheme to channelise the crude oil imports 
which are at present being made by the 
private sector refineries. If not, why not ? 

SHRI H. R, GOKHALE : The hon. 
Member knows and the House knows that the 
Government is as anxious as the hon. 
Members to see that the import of crude, so far 



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Oral Answers 16 


as the private sector refineries are concerned, 
should be made by ourselves at prices favoura- 
ble to us. But, as J have said before, and 
1 think it bears lepetition, with regard to 
foreign oil companies, we have got agreements 
for a period of 25 years, the first of which 
comes to an end sometimes in 1979. The 
result is that they are insisting on the written 
clause of the agreement that so far as crude 
oil is concerned, they will be entitled to bring 
their crude from their own sources for the 
purpose of refinery in their refineries. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY :* This is the crux 
of the problem They may be entitled, but 
when they indulge in malpractices, cant't you 
annul the agreement ? The Government is the 
supreme authority. 

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t take the 
second chance. 

MR. SPEAKER : Shii Vajpayee absent. 

Shii Mayavan — absent. 

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BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA ) Oral Answers 18 


Oral Answers 

Payment of Bonos to the Civilian Employees 
Working in Defence 

*353. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the All-India Defence Emp- 
loyees Federation has requested Government 
to refer the question of payment of Bonus to 
the civilian employees in Defence to the 
Committee tvhich has been formed to review 
the working of the Bonus Act ; and 

(b) if so, the reacrion of Government in 
this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). The communica- 
tion referred to by the Hon’ble Member is not 
readily available. However, the question 
whether employees of Departmental Under- 
takings under the Ministry of Defence may ce 
eligible for payment of bonus is being 
examined. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In the consul- 
tative committee meeting of the Labour 
Ministry held on 24th July a resolution was 
passed by all sections of the Members present 
there demanding from the Labour Ministry, 
or rather the Labour Minister, that the matter 
should be refened to the Government for 
consideration. I want to know whether the 
hon Minister is aware of this fact. I want to 
know whether the Defence Ministry has also 
supported this ca^c in view of the discrimina- 
tion between public undertaking and Defence 
Ministiy and the Department of Labour. 

SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA : As 
I said this is still under examination. The 
Department of Labour is processing this case. 
After the mutual consultations among vari- 
ous ministries concerned are over they will 
take up the matter before the Cabinet for the 
decision of the Cabinet, Only after that we 
will be able to indicate what action we are 
going to take in the matter. 

Utilisation of Loans from World Bank given 
to States 

- *354. SHRI C. R. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
State : 


(a) whether the World Bank loans given 
to the various States during the last three 
years have remained ^unutilised ? 

(b) if so, the amount of loans remaining 
unutilised and the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) whether Government make any enquiry 
from the states from time to time about these 
loans ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Out of 

loans/credits received from World Bank and 
the International Development Association for 
groundwater development, irrigation and farm 
machanization in various states an amount of 
$ 21 million has been utilised so far. 

(b) These loans/credits are to be utilised 
over a number of years according to the 
phased programme for implementation of the 
projects. The [amount of credits still to be 
drawn is $ 303 million. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : There 
are press reports saying that due to some 
procedural difficulties. Government have failed 
to utilise these loans provided by the World 
Bank. How far are they true ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
We hope that utilisation will pick up as time 
passes, because in the earlier stages this 
takes certain preparatory work as this is a 
rather very complicated thing with institu- 
tional arrangements and other things. But as 
time passes, it will pick up speed. 

SHRI * C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : The 
Minister reflered to initial difficulties. But if 
I may be permitted to say so, World Bank 
loans amounting to $ 324 million for agricul- 
tural development have been with the Ministry 
unspent for three years. That is not due to 
initial difficulties. 

SHRI YESWANTRAO CHAVAN : It is 
not just a question of the Ministry having got 
the money and it has to be just thrown around. 
It has to be spent for proper purposes. It re* 
quires certain spending in each State. But I can 
say it is picking up. For example, only $ 3.2 
million were spent during 1970-71 ; it has gone 



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AUGUST 25, 1972 


Oral Answers 20 


up to$ 7.3 million during 1971-72. During Ihe 
current year, we have utilised so far $ 10.5 
million. This is how it is going up. But I 
am sure it will take time. 1 cannot say that 
only because the money is available we will 
be able immediately to spend it. There are 
certain conditions in the project itself, in what 
manner it is to be spent. 

SHRI PR1YA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : 
In reply to (c), the hon. Minister answered 
in the affirmative. Since the reports 
may be readily available with the Ministry, 
which are the States or which is the only State 
which is utilising readily the money given by 
the World Bank for agricultural develop- 
ment 7 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
do not think I should identify any parti- 
cular State because practically the position is 
more or less the same everywhere since the diffi- 
culties are the same. Mostly selected States have 
already undertaken this responsibility. For 
example, in the case of irrigation projects, 
Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat are the major 
States in this. In the case of the former, we 
have got the Pochampad project and in the 
case of the latter, the Kadana project. In 
regard to the Kadana project, the contractor 
who was given the contract could not 
fulfil it. So they issued new notices and 
new tenders. Nobody responded to that. 
Therefore, Government decided to take it up 
departmentally. These are the difficulties that 
come in the way. We are in touch with 
State Governments. I hope the hon. member 
will appreciate my difficulty in specifically 
pointing out which State is better and which 
is not. 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : What is the pro- 
cedure for the demand of loans by the 
States 7 Are the States not required to for- 
ward the proposed projects for the loans ? If 
they are, how is it that the project was not 
prepared properly as a result of which the loan 
is not utilised 7 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
The present question relates to the case where 
after the project is accepted and the money 
sanctioned, the question arises of how to 
Bnplepient it. This does not relate to how 
tfcfe project is to be put before the World 
Sink fbr its acceptance etc. That is rather 
ft lengthy process, because the experts from the 


World Bank come here, and they sit with the 
Central Government, they go and inspect the 
project, they prepare the project report or the 
feasibility report, and after that, it is discussed 
and negotiated. So, that is a different matter 
altogether. The present question deals with 
the post-sanction position and the difficulties 
in implementing what has already been 
sanctioned and we are discussing only that 
point now. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : With regard to 
the World Bank Joans, may I know whether 
when money is sanctioned for a particular 
project but it is not utilised, wc are obliged 
te pay commitment charges in terms of foreign 
exchange ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
do not think that there is any question of our 
having to pay back when the money is not 
being used. For, the question is one of 
disbursements on the basis of actual expendi- 
ture. 

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SHRI SOMCHANOD SOLANKI : May I 
know whether first we have to apply for loan 
from the World Bank and then we finalise 
the programme or wc first arrange the pro* 



21 Oral Answers 


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Oral Answers 12 


gramme and the utilisation of the amount 
and then ask for the loan from the World 
Bank 7 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
We do both. Both things are there, 

Import of Interior Lubricant by I.O.C. 
and its sale to Railways 

• 

*356. SHRI N.K. SANGHI ; Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHFMI- 
CALS be pleased to to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Oil Corporation 
imported from Bangkok and Rumania some 
lubricant of certain specifications inferior to 
I.S. specifications through the Oceanic Petro- 
leum Company during the last three years and 
sold the same to the Indian Railways through 
the D.G.S. & D representing it to be of I.S. 
specifications with the result that Railways 
had to suffer heavy losses besides impairing 
the efficiency of running of trains ; and 

(b) if so, what action Government have 
taken against the concerned officials for the 
above transaction and, if no action has been 
taken so far, whether Government intend to 
institute an enquiry into the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE, AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) The 
axle oil required by the Indian Railways is 
normally imported from Rumania under rupee 
payment under the provisions of the Trade 
Plan agreement between the two Governments. 
All of these imports are made through Messrs 
Petrolexport, the Rumanian Government 
agency. In the last two years some imports 
have also been made from Bangkok through 
M/s. Oceanic Petroleum Corporation, after 
inviting competitive tenders. Currently, imports 
are being made from Rumania through Messrs 
Petrolexport. None of the imports made 
from Bangkok through the Oceanic Petroleum 
Corporation has been found to be inferior or 
different from the Indian Standards specifica- 
tions. Three out of the nine consignments 
imported from Rumania, however, had margi- 
nally different specifications than those speci- 
fied by the Indian Standards. These were, 
however, within the tolerance limits and were 
accepted by the Indian Railways as such. 
Neither the IOC nor the DGS&D through 
whom all these supplies are made, have receiv- 


ed any complaints from Railways of damage 
or losses on this account. 

(b) Does not arise. 

SHRI N.K. SANGHI: May I know 
whether the three consingments sent by Ruma- 
nia through the Petrolexports were inferior to 
the ISI specifications ? If so, has this matter 
been taken up with the Petrolexport for dama- 
ges 7 Was this aspect brought to the notice 
of the railways that the oil that was being 
supplied from Rumania was not up to the ISI 
specifications but within the tolerance limits ? 

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : As I said, the 
specifications were in a few consignments less 
than the standard. But they were within the 
tolerance limits ; they were routed through 
the IOC and the DGSD, and neither of these 
two organisations nor the railways have raised 
any question that they were inferior and it has 
affected the working of the railways. Our 
enquiries also show that this was not on account 
of anything wrong done by Rumania, but 
there has been some contamination during 
transit, and the reasons for that contamination 
for the small quantity could not be located. 

SHRI N.K. SANGHI : May I know 
whether a memorandum has been sent by the 
Akhil Bharatiya Oil Dealers’ Association 
where so many vagaries have been mentioned 
and whether they have been brought to the 
attention of the hon. Minister 7 Has rhfs 
memorandum been examined and proper act- 
tion taken 7 They have particulary alleged 
that inferior oil has been shown as superior 
oil, and superior oil as inferior oil, to various 
dealers. 

SHRI H.R. GOKHALE : This particular 
organisatioo has been making a number of 
representations for quite sometime. They have 
all been axamined and appropriate replies 
have been given at the appropriate time. 

Ex-Rulers Holding Foreign Exchange 
Accounts Abroad 

*357. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA: 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether many of the ex-rulers are 
still holding foreign exchange accounts and 
assets abroad ; and 



23 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Oral Answers 24 


(b) the action Government propose to 
take against those ex-rulers who have not yet 
declared their accounts and assets abroad 
as required under Government directives ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Govern- 
ment are aware that some of the ex-rulers 
are holding assets abroad. 

(b) Ex-rulers are subject lo the same rights 
and obligations as other citizens under the 
regulations. Consequent upon the commence- 
ment of the Constitution (Twenty sixth amend- 
ment) Act, 1971 this legal position is being 
intimated to the ex-rulers. Those who fail to 
comply with the legal requirements will be 
liable for action under law. 

MR. SPEAKER: Yes; Shri Praboth 
Chandra— not asking any supplementary ques- 
tion. Now, Shri Banerjee. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : After the 
amendment of the Constitution, the same 
action will be taken against the ex-rulers as is 
taken against any Indian citizen having foreign 
assets. Now, I would like to know whether 
any assessment has been made of their total 
assets in foreign countries. May I also know 
whether it is also a fact that besides foreign 
exchange accounts, curios and statues and 
jewels and other things are also sent out and 
kept in foreign countries, and whether any 
assessment has been made of those things and, 
if so, what action has been taken against the 
concerned ex-rulers 7 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
have not got the actual amount of assessment in 
individual cases. But the position has chang- 
ed after the amendment of the Constitution. 
The previous position was that before a cer- 
tain date— zero hour— whatever they had 
before that date, it was supposed that they 
were entitled to keep them abroad. But now, 
after the amendment of the Constitution, the 
rights and obligations about holding any 
foreign exchange in other countries for all 
the Indian citizens have become the same. On 
that ground, certain instructions or certain 
guidelines would be issued to the Reserve Bank. 
I think the Home Ministry also will inform 
the individual rulers so that they will become 
aware of it. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE What is the r 

total asset 7 


SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN; I 
have not got the details of the assessment with 
me. 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : Apart from the 
foreign exchange accounts, is it not a fact that 
from Jaipur or Udaipur or any other ‘Pur*, 
they are sending their curios to foreign count- 
ries and whether any watch is kept on them 7 
I want to know what the Government are 
doing. 

MR. SPEAKER You include curios 
in this ? 

SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : Yes, Sir. They 
are sending them out to foreign countries. 
(. Interruption ) 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, please. Shri 
Gotkhinde. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE : 
May I know from the hon. Minister whether 
the Government would give us an assurance 
that any ex-gratia payment that the Govern- 
ment intends to make to the ex-rulers will not 
be made to such defaulting ex-rulers 7 

MR. SPEAKER : It is a suggestion for 
action. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
May I know whether there is any obligation 
casL upon every citizen to declare what he has 
been holding by way of accounts in foreign 
bunks ? If that is so, may I know whether 
these rulers had also given some information 
to the government that they were holding 
some account in foreign banks ? Secondly, 
may I know whether recently permission 
had been given to any ruler to bring back 
money held in foreign countries ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: I 
cannot give all these details unless separate 
notice is given. I think it is obligatory on 
every citizen to declare whatever foreign ex- 
change he holds abroad. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
But the Minister said in reply to an earlier 
question that Government was not in posses- 
sion of information about the total amoupt 
that the rulers have abroad. 



25 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 26 


SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
What I meant was that at the present moment 
I have not got that information. 

SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It is an open 
secret that most of the rulers have been holding 
huge sums in foreign exchange outside the 
country. Will the Government ascertain 
through some agency as to what is the sum 
in terms of foreign exchange or will it be 
left to the sweet will of the rulers to declare 
whether they have any amount there or not ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
While we expect the rulers to declare what 
they have been holding abroad, in case we 
hod that what they have declarec is illusory, 
we can always do that also. But, at the pre- 
sent moment, I do not think we should begin 
with that. 

Award of Prizes to Sarpanchs of Gram Pancha- 

yats for Securing Deposits Under Small 
Savings Schemes 

*359. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether it has been decided by Go- 
vernment to award prizes to the Sarpanch or 
Pramukh of the Gram Panchayat securing 
highest collections In his/her Block during the 
special National Savings Fortnight in order 
to provide incentives to those engaged in 
Small Savings collections ; 

( b) if so, whether the prize winners for 
the various Blocks in the eountry have been 
selected by the State Governments concerned 
for the year 1971 ; and 

(c) whether it is also envisaged to give a 
special prize to the Sarpanch/Pramukh, who 
secures the highest collection in a state and 
in the whole of the country ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI- 
NISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. In order 
to encourage non-official participation at Gram 
Panchayat level for promoting small saving 
collections, the Government of India institu- 
ted the award of prizes reckoned at the rate 
of Rs. 150/- for each block to the Sarpanch or 
Pramukh of the Gram Panchayat securing 
highest collections in each Block during the 


National Saving Fortnight beginning from the 
31st October, 1971. 

(b) The period of special campaign was 
varied by most of the State Governments and 
thus the compaigns continued in the States 
for varying periods up to the 29th February, 
1972. Complete information about the num- 
ber of prize winners selected has not been 
received from all the States. Kerala have selec- 
ted 23 prize winners and Gujrat have selected 
18 prize winners. 

(c) The scheme of prizes for 1971-72 did 
not envisage the award of special prize to 
the Sarpanch/Pramukh securing the highest 
collections in a State or in the country as a 
whole. 

PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR : 
In view of the answer to part (c) of the 
question, may I know whether the government 
is considering the award of a prize to the 
sarpanch who has the highest collection to his 
credit in his State or the country ? 

SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI : It is 
a good suggestion. I do not think Government 
will have any objection to that. We can cer- 
tainly consider it. 

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27 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Oral Answers 28 


THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) to (c). It has been reported 
that a procession was taken out at Ranvir- 
singhpura on the 12th June, 1972 to demand 
extension of the scope of the schemes sanc- 
tioned by the Department of Rehabilitation 
for compensating or alleviating the losses 
suffered during the December 1971 conflict. 
No reference in this regard has, however, 
been received from the State Government who 
are responsible for settling the claims and 
effecting payment. 

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29 ’ Oral Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 30 


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tioned it. I will now go through the second 
round of the Question List. 

Indian Airlines Flights from Madras, Delhi, 
Bombay and Calcutta Delayed and Can- 
celled during the Last Fifteen Days 

*351 SHRI PILOO MODY: Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 


TION be pleased to state : 

(a) how many Indian Airlines flights from 
Madras, Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta were de- 
layed and for how long, during the last fifteen 
days ; 

(b) how many of them were cancelled after 
making the passengers wait for Jong hours 
and how long after departure time were they 
announced as cancelled ; and 

(c) the reasons for these delays and can- 
cellations ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION (DR. SAROJ1NI MAHISHI) : 
(a) to (c). I lay a statement on the Table of 
the Sabha. 


Statement 

(a) The Number of Indian Airlines flights delayed from Madras, Delhi, Bombay and 
Calcutta during the period 25th July to 8th August, 1972 is given here under : 


SI. No. 

Station 

Break up of delays 

between 

15 minutes and 
one hour 

between 

61 minutes and 
two hours 

I exceeding 
two hours 

1. 

Madras 

49 

4 

6 

2. 

Delhi 

72 

24 

29 

3. 

Bombay 

131 

22 

21 

4. 

Calcutta 

98 . 

J 

47 

57 


Total : 

U1 

g 

97 

113 



I 

— 

l " " 


GRAND TOTAL 560 


(b) Number of flights cancelled : 


Ex Madras 

1 


Ex Delhi 
6 


Ex Bombay 

7 


Ex Calcutta 

31 



31 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 32 


(c) Reasons for the dttays and cancellations : 




Madras 

Delhi 

Bombay 

Calcutta 

SI. 

No. 

Reasons 

De- 

lays 

Cancel- 

lation 

De- 

lays 

Cancel- 

lation 

De- 

lays 

Cancel- 

lation 

De- 

lays 

Cancel- 

lation 

1. 

Engineering 

5 

— 

29 

1 

41 

— 

58 

2 

2. 

Commercial (Cate- 
ring Traffic and 
Security check) 

14 

- - 

9 



39 

_ 

12 


3. 

Operations 

— 

— 

3 

— 

5 

— 

14 


4. 

Transport 

2 

— 

i 

— 

i 

1 

— 

4 

— 

3. 

Weather 

— 

— 

6 

— 

3 

— 

6 

4 

6. 

i 

Consequential 

32 

1 

i 

1 

56 

— 

59 

1 

76 

5 

7. 

Miscellaneous 

6 

i 

21 

5 

22 

6 

31 

20 

8. 

A.T.C. (DGCA) 

— 

— 

— 


4 

— 

1 

— 


Total 

59 

1 

125 

6 

174 

■ 

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31 


SHR1 PILOO MODY : If I could not 
come here injtimeto ask the Question, I could 
have hardly iiead the statement. 

Sir, very often the planes are being de- 
layed for no reason at all. Only yesterday, 
when I came from Calcutta, because they did 
not have enough passengers on a scheduled 
flight, they combined the two flights and ran a 
latter flight thereby delaying me for hours. 
I do not think this is the manner in which a 
public utility service should be run. What has 
the Minister got to say about merging of 
flights and why most of these delays are 
caused ? 

DR. SAROJINI MAHISHI : It is not 
usually done like that in a public sector under- 
taking, whether it is economical or uneconomi- 
cal. We undertake to operate lines whether 
there are passengers or no passengers. The 
services are operated. I do not know whether 
the Member knows the extact reason as to 
why one flight was cancelled or delayed. 1 
shall try to find it out. Usually, the merging 
does not take place. 


WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Preference Given by Monopolies Commission 
to Joint Sector Units 

*342. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased 
state : 

(a) whether the Monopolies Commission 
has expressed itself in favour of more joint 
sector units instead of private sector units ; 

(b) if so, whether recently any joint sector 
ventures have been cleared by Government; and 

(c) if so, the names thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY): 
(a) The Commission has not made any such 
general observation. Ia one case, one Member 
in his minority report bad proposed divestment 
of a segment of shares held by another com- 
pany in favour of financial institutions as a 
first step towards joint sector. 









33 Written Answers BHADRA 3, 

(b) and (c). Among the cases coming 
under Section 21 or 22 of the M.R.T.P. Act, 
an application of M/s, Centuary Spinning & 
Manufacturing Co. Ltd. has been approved on 
the basis of formation of a new company 
the capital structure of which would be in 
the nature of a joint sector. An application 
from M/s. Bangur Bros. Ltd., though not 
referred to the M.R.T.P. Commission, has 
been approved on the same principle. An appli- 
cation from M/s.Cominco Binani Zinc Ltd., 
though not referred to the M.R.T.P. Commis- 
sion, has also been cleared subject to the 
condition that the project will be one in the 
joint sector in terms of the Press Note dated 
the 18th February 1970, issued by the Ministry 
of Industrial Development and Internal Trade. 

Assistance to Bangladesh 

*343. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Government of India have 
informed the Government of Bangladesh that 
India would meet the marginal resource gap 
in the annual development programme of 
Bangladesh which has been launched recently ; 
and 

(b) if so, the extent of aid that India is 
likely to provide annually ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) There 
has been no request from the Government of 
Bangladesh that India should meet the resource 
gap in the annual development programme of 
Bangladesh. 

(b) A provision of Rs. 200 crores has 
been made for assistance to Bangladesh for 
the two years 1971-72 and 1972-73. 

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35 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answers 36 


« 

Seizure of Contraband Goods From A Dutch 
Sh^|in Bombay 

•349. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether contraband goods valued at 
Rs. 17 5 lakh were seized from a Dutch ship 
in Bombay on the 15th July, 1972 ; and 

(b) if so, what action has been taken 
against those held responsible ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). On 14-7-72 contra- 
band goods valued about Rs. 17 '66 lakhs 
(at Indian market rate) were seized from a 
Duch Motor Vessel Strrat Johore. Since, on 
the basis of the enquiries made, it was not 
possible to connect any particular person on 
board M. V. Strrat Johore with the contra- 
band seized no arrests were made. How- 
ever, the vessel was seized on the grounds 
that it was used for transporting smuggled 
goods and was later released on a bond with 
Bank surety for Rs. 10 lakhs. Show Cause 
memos are being issued to the Captain, 
Chief Engineer, agents and owners of the 
vessel. 


Scheme of Statistical Returns in Banks 

*352. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to intro- 
duce a new scheme of statistical returns 
replacing the practice of monthly returns of 
advances by the Commercial Banks in the 
country ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features of the 
scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESWANTRAO CHAVAN) (a) Yes, Sir. The 
Reserve Bank of India has introduced a new 
system of statistical returns by the Commer- 
cial Banks. 

(b) A Statement is I aid on the Table of 
fba House. 


Statement 

Salient features on the new System of Statistical 

Returns Introduced by the Reserve Bank of 
India with effect from August , 1972 

(1) The new system of statistical repor- 
ting is designated as ''Basic Statisti- 
cal Returns” (B.S.R.). 

(2) It provides for a steady flow of in- 
formation on deposits and advances 
required by the Reserve Bank with- 
out undue strain on banks’ branches. 

(3) Under the new system basic informa- 
tion on deposits and advances will 
be submitted by branches to the 
banks twice a year. 

(4) In the past returns from the branches 
were submitted straight to the Re- 
serve Bank with a copy to the Head 
Offi:e of the bank concerned. Under 
the new system branches will submit 
their returns to the Head or Regional 
Office of each bank and that bank 
will issue the responsibility for the 
collection and checking of the re- 
turns. The Head Offices of the banks 
will send the returns to the Reserve 
Bank after checking the accuracy of 
the returns. 

(5) Taking into consideration the socio- 
economic significance of agricultural 
development, two special returns, one 
the quantum and levels of lending to 
agriculture and the other relating to 
recovery performance, have been in- 
troduced. These returns have to be 
submitted by the Head Offices of the 
banks . 

(6) Returns submitted to the Reserve 
Bank will be on State-wise basis. 
The banks have also been advised to 
consolidate the data on districtwise 
basis to meet enquiries that arise 
from time to time. 

(7) The system also provides for calling 
for monthly data from Head Offices 
of the banks on advances against 
security of selected commodities. 



BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 38 


ft Written Answers 

Seismic Surveys in the Bombay High 
Structures 

*354. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH: Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether detailed seismic surveys in 
the Bombay High Structures have been comp- 
leted to pinpoint locations of the first few 
wells ; and 

(b) the period during which drilling 
will be completed there after getting the 
delivery of mobile platform from Japan ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) Drilling in this area would initially 
be of a limited number of exploratory wells. 
In the event of any of these wells indicating 
the presence of favourable geological conditions, 
a number of additional wells have to be drill- 
ed to further explore the oil potential of the 
area and to assess the commerciality of the 
oil-find. If this leads to the establishment of 
oil accumulation of commercial importance, a 
larger number of development wells would 
have to be drilled to obtain production of 
oil. 

Thus, it cannot be reliably estimated, at 
the present stage, as to the period during 
which drilling would be completed at these 
structures, as it would mainly depend on the 
results obtained from exploratory drilling and 
the time that the drilling of the various wells 
will take. 

Violation of Indian Territorial waters and 
Air Space by Pakistan 

*358. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state 
the number of times Pakistan Violated Indian 
territorial waters and air space since the cease 
fire of December, 1971 ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : No report of violation 
of Indian territorial waters by Pakistan since 
the cease-fire of December 1971 has been re- 
ceived, The number of violations of Indian 
air space is ten. 


Plan Investment Board 

3380. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 
the consideration of Government to appoint 
a Plan Investment Board to expedite clear- 
ance of projects included in the Central Plan ; 
and 

(b) the number of projects in the country. 
State-wise which are behind schedule 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) It has been decided to con- 

stitute a Public Investment Board as a form 
for consideration of public sector investment 
proposals. 

(b) Information is being collected and 
will be placed before the House. 

Fall in Exchange value of Rupee in South 
East Asia 

3381. SHRI B1SHWANATH JHUNJHUN- 
WALA : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleaced to state : 

(a) whether the exchange value of rupee 
has since fallen in South East Asia ; 

(b) whether similar trends are discerni- 
ble in European countries also ; and if so, to 
what extent this has fallen in different places ; 
and 

(c) how the fall in exchange value will 
affect India’s trade obligations with these 
countries 7 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). 
No, Sir All authorised^ foreign exchange 
transactions are carried out at the official 
exchange rate. Because of the sporadic and 
marginal character of foreign exchange deals 
carried out in contravention of Exchange 
control JRegulations, unofficial rates cannot in 
any way be considered as an indicator of the 
external value of the rupee. 


(c) Does not arise. 



39 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25* 1972 


Written Answers 4ft 


Drugs and Pharmaceutical Fljufts In India 
which bold more than 25 per cent 
Foreign Equity* 

3382. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstirred Question No 6738 on the 
19th May, 1972 regarding drugs and pharmaceu- 
tical firms in India and state : 

(a) whether the information, referred to 
therein, has since been collected ; and 

(b) if so, whether it would be laid down 
on the Table of the House 7 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b). 
The names of Drugs & Pharmaceutical firms 
having more than 25 per cent foreign equity 
are given in the statement laid on the Table of 
the House. [Placed in library. See No. 
LT— 3502/72], The remittances made by them 
on account of dividends, royalties, technical 
know-how fees etc. are as follows : 



1969-70 

RS. 

1970-71 

RS. 

Dividends/Profits. 

364,37,643 

414,03,353 

Head Office expenses. 

11,98,907 

27,01,459 

Technical know-how 

12,01,622 

26,97,678 

Royalty. 

94,95,272 

17,73,425 

Total : 

483,33,444 

485,75,915 


Availability of Natural Gas and its Use 

« 

3383. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUNJ- 
HUNWALA : Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to 
state the total availability of natural gas in the 
country at present and the quantity 
which has been put to use and the nature 
thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTI- 
CE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS 
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE): The present avai- 
lablity and utilisation of Natural Gas may be 
seen from the following figures pertaining to 


the first six months of 1972 : 


Period 

Production 

Utilisation 

January/June 

(in million cubic meters) 

1972 

786 

453 


The utilisation was as feedstock for manu- 
facture of fertilisers, power generation, indus- 
trial fuel, and maintenance of pressure in 
oilfields. 

Utilisation of Gas for Fertilizer Plants 

3384. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUNJHUN- 
WALA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state 
whether Government have considered the desi- 
rability of using natural gas for fertiliser plants 
as is being envisaged by the Government of 
Iraq and if so, the details of the studies made 
in this matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUST- 
ICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS 
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : Government is 
aware of the advantages of using the Natural 
gas as feedstock for fertilizer production. In 
fact, natural/associated gas is already being 
used for fertilizer production by the Namrup 
Unit of the Fertilizer Corporation of India 
and the Gujarat State Fertilizer Company, 
Baroda. Natural gas is also proposed to be 
used as feedstock in the Namrup Expansion 
Scheme and in the unit being set up by the 
Indian farmers Fertilizer Cooperative Ltd. at 
Kalol. These two schemes are currently under 
implementation. 

Extent of Reduction in Revenue and Emp- 
loyment Opportunities due to shifting 
of Foreign Air Companies from 
Calcutta 

3385. SHRI BISHWANATH JHUN- 
JHUNWALA : Will the Minister of TOUR- 
ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to 
state the extent to which the revenue and emp- 
loyment opportunities have dwindled during 
the last three years at Calcutta Air port due 
to shifting of foreign air Companies from 
Calcutta ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION : (DR, KARAN SINGH): 



BHADRA 3, tm ( SARA ) 


Written Answers 42 


1 

41 Anewers 

The Revenue realised by the Civil Aviation 
Oepa^tment at Calcutta airport during the 
last three years was as follows : 


Year 


Revenue 

1969-70. 

Rs. 

1,01,00,565. 

1970-71. 

Rs. 

1.04,94,418. 

1971-72. 

Rs. 

95,39,327. 


before the Emergency than during the period 
of emergency ; and 

(b) if so, the level of production three 
months before and three months after the 
promulgation of emergency ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHR1 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) No. Sir. In fact the 
production increased after the Promulgation of 
Emergency. 

(b) Monthly value of production for 
September 197 1 to February 1972 was as 
follows : 


The slight drop in revenue in 1971-72 is not 
solely due to shifting of operations by some 
of the foreign airlines from Calcutta. 

Though the shifting of operations by some 
airlines has resulted in retrenchment of some 
employees engaged by the airlines concerned, 
there has been no change in the employment 
position so far as the staff of the Civil Avia- 
tion Department and the International Air- 
ports Authority of India are concerned. 

Shortfall in Credit Advances to Neglected 
Sectors 

3386. SHRI MARTAND SINGH OF 
REWA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been a shortfall in 
the percentage of credit advanced to the 
neglected sectors by the nationalised banks ; 
and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Output of the Shahjahanpur Ordnance 
Clothing Factory 

3387. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the output of the Shahjahan- 
pur Ordnance Clothing Factory was more 


September 1971 

...Rs. 1.51 crores, 

October 1971 

...Rs. 0.79 crores. 

November 1971 

...Rs. 0.89 csores. 

December 1971 

...R9. 1.73 crores. 

January 1972 

...Rs, 1.75 crores. 

February 1972 

...Rs. 1 18 crores. 


Applications for Loan Received by Giridih 
Branch of State Bank of India 

3388. SHRI CHAPALENDU BHATTA- 
CHARYYIA : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of loan applications 
received by State Bank of India, Giridih 
Branch for loans upto Rs. 10,000 in 1971 and 
1972, separately ; 

(b) the number of applicants who have 
been advanced loans ; 

• 

(c) the rules for realisation of these loans 
and whether these rules are uniformly being 
adhered to ; and 

(d) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI): (a) to (d). The 
information is being collected to the extent 
feasible and the same will be placed on the 
Table of the House. 



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Extension of L.I.C. Sefteme of Advances 
for Housing to Policy Holders in 
Giridih, Hazsribagh 

3389, SHRI CHAPALENDU BHATTA- 
CHARYYIA : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the L.I.C- had extended the 
Scheme of advances for housing to Policy 
Holders in Giridih (District Hazaribagh) in 
January, 1971 ; 

(b) if so, the number of loan applications 
received since then ; and 

(c) the numbcF of applications so far dis- 
posed of and advances actually made ? 

THE MINISTER Or FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) The 

LJ.C. has extended its *Own Your Home’ 
Scheme (for its policy holders) to Giridih 
Centre in November, 1970. 

(b) and (c). Of the seven applications 
received from this Centre till 31st March, 
1972, the L.I C. has sanctioned five loan 
applications for Rs. 99,000 /- and disbursed 
Rs. 73,000/-. One application was rejected. 

Filling up of Clerical Posts In the Bank of 
Baroda 

3390. SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of applications received 
in response to the last advertisement of the 
Bank of Baroda for filling the clerical posts 
and the number of posts filled ; 

(b) whether a number of graduates/posts 
graduates with high good division were not 
given chance to appear for the written 
test ; 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor and the 
criteria for the selection of candidates ; 

and 

(d) whether Go\ eminent proposed to 
streamline the system of recruitment and form 
a common pool for all the Nationalised Banks 
a$d if not, the reasons therefor ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) to (c). In response to the 
last advertisement. Bank of Baroda received 
about 85,600 applications. No post has been 
filled up, as the selection process is not yet 
complete, The Bank called candidates 
15 times the number of anticipated vacancies 
for the written test. Keeping in mind the 
promotional opportunities to the officer cadre, 
the Bank decided to call 60% of the candi- 
dates who were degree holders and the rest 
who were non-graduates. However, all the 
Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes candidates, 
with the requisite qualifications, whether non- 
graduates or graduates, were called for the 
written test. As the bank needed more 
graduates with agriculture, commerce and law 
qualifications, the bank felt it necessary to 
limit the number of candidates who possess 
degrees either in Science or Art. Therefore, 
it is likely that a number of graduates/post 
graduates with high total marks, in such facu- 
lties as Art or Science may not have been 
called for the written test. 

(d) Government have under consideration 
a proposal for setting up a common recruit- 
ment agency for all the nationalised banks. 

Financial Assistrnce from Foreign Countries 
for Educational and Charitable Institutions 
in Kerala 

3391. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number and names of educational 
and charitable institutions in Kerala receiving 
financial assistance from foreign countries and 
the total amount received by them during 
1970-71 and 1971-72 ; 

(b) whether Government are aware that 
the assistance received by these institutions is 
being used to organise agitations against 
Government : and 

(c) if so, what steps have been taken to 
regulate the inflow of foreign money to 
such institutions ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) The information is being 

collected and will be laid on the Table of the 
House. 



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(bi) and (c). At present there is no law or 
machinery to check the inflow of foriegn 
money in India. Legislative proposals are 
being finalised for the purpose of imposing 
suitable restrictions on the receipt of funds 
from foreign associations, agencies or indivi- 
duals otherwise than in the course of ordinary 
and bona fide transactions. A Bill will be 
introduced in Parliament at an early date. 

Pilot Trainiog to Rankers in I.A.F. 

3392. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
s'ate : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to give 
pilot training to rankers in the Indian Air 
horce ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof 7 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) A scheme already 

exists to train airmen as pilots in the Flying 
Branch in the I.A.F. 

(b) The qualifications required are that the 
airmen should be below 21 years of age and 
should have passed Matriculation or equiva- 
lent Examination. After selection through 
the Services Selection Board, those airmen, 
who are found medically fit are detailed for 
training as flight cadets and they are com- 
missioned after successful completion of the 
prescribed training. Those who do not make 
the grade during the training are allowed to 
revert as airmen or are released from the ser- 
vice, if the so desire. 

Bridging the gap in the Pay of Officers and 
N.C.O. 

3393. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state 
whether there- is any proposal to bridge the 
existing gap in the Pay of Officers and the 
Non-Commissioned Officers of the Defence 
forces 7 

THE MFNISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : The structure of emolu- 
ments, including benefits in cash and kind, 
and death-cum-retirement benefits of officers 
and personnel below officer rank in the Armed 
Forces- are already under examination by the 
Fay Commission, 


Tourism Development Schemes for Gulmarg 
(Kashmir) and Kovalam Beach in 
Kerala 

3394. SHRI K. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION 
be pleased to state : 

fa) the salient features of the tourism 
development schemes for Gulmarg (Kashmir) 
and Kovalam Beach (Kerala) ; and 

(b) the amount spent by the Centre on 
these two schemes so far 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
fa) The salient features of the tourist deve- 
lopment schemes at Gulmarg, which is being 
developed as a winter sports resort, and at 
Kovalam »being developed as a beach resort 
during the Fourth Plan period arc as follows : 

Gulmarg : 

( i ) A road from Tangmarg to Gulmarg. 

( ii ) Erection of an aerial passenger 
ropeway, a chair-lift and ski-lifts. 

(iii) Establishment of the Institute of 
Sking & Mountaineering. 

(iv) Snow-clearing operations. 

(v) Purchase of ski, mountaineering and 
snow-clearing equipment. 

(vi) A centrally heated hotel. 

(vii) A master plan of Gulmarg indicat- 
ing its development over a 10 year 
period. 

Kovalam : 

( i ) A 100-room hotel, 

(ii) 40 cottages. 

(iii) A beach service centre. 

(Sv) An open-air theatre. 

(v) A yoga-cww-massage centre. 

(vi) Development of aquatic sports. 



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<b) A sum of Rs. '31.01 lakhs on the 
Gulmarg Project and Ri, 31.87 lakhs on the 
Kov&lam Project have been incurred upto 
30.6.1772. 

Grant of Exemption from Income-Tax on 
Gratuity received by Employees 

3395. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether Government propose to 
amend the relevant portion of the Income-tax 
Act to allow exemption from tax on gratuity 
received by employees on retirement, on their 
maximum 20 months' salary received as gra- 
tuity if it exceeds Rs. 24,000/-, under the re- 
cently passed Payment of Gratuity Bill, instead 
of the present Rs. 24,000/- gratuity being 
exempted from tax ; and 

(b) if so, when the amendment is likely 
to be introduced in Parliament ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Court Cases Instituted Against the Employees 
of Controller of Defence Accounts, Patna 

3396. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR 
SINGH : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of court cases instituted 
against the employees of Controller of Defence 
Accounts, Patna, and the number of employees 
involved therein, during the past three years ; 

( b) the number of the court cases dis- 
posed of and the number still pending ; and 

(c) the nature of offences for which 
court cases were instituted ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
« rc ‘JSHlLA ROHATGI) : (a) No court case 
t coo instituted by the Controller of Defence 
founts, Parna, against any of his employees 
tag the past three years. However, one 
*t case was instituted by Civil Authorities 


against one of his employees. Information 
is not readily available about the number of 
court cases instituted against the employees 
by, or at the instance of others. 

(b) The case referred to against (a) above 
has been disposed of. The individual was 
finally acquitted. 

(c) Waging of War against Government 
of India. 

Education Facilities by Oil India Limited 
and O. & N.O.C. to the Children of 
Employees Working at Duliajan 

3397. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the facilities given by the Oil India 
and the Oil and Natural Gas Commission 
to the children of their employees at Duliajan, 
Manan and Naria in Assam ; and 

(b) the amount spent annually by the Oil 

India Limited, O. & N.G.C., Indian Oil 

Corporation and Assam Oil Company for the 
education of their employees’ children, sepa- 
rately ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and 
(b). The information is being collected and 
will be placed on the Table of the House. 

Compensation to Land Owners by Oil India 
Limited and O. & N.G.C. 

3398. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the total acreage of land acquired by 
Oil India Ltd., and Oil and Natural Gas Com- 
mission in the Districts of Dibrugarh and 
Sibasagar ; 

(b) the number of families who were paid 
compensation fully and number of families who 
have not yet received compensation ; and 

(c) reasons for not paying compensation 
to the families so far 7 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 



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CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) The 
areas acquired by Oil India Limited and Oil 
and Natural Gas Commission in these districts 
are 1*145 acres and 1320.006 acres respectively. 

(b) and fc). Oil India Limited has paid 
compensation to 1342 owners (pattadars) and 
the cases of compensation for 16 owners are 
pending since their cases are sub judice and 
the payment is stayed, by the competent 
authority. 

O.N.G.C. acquires land through direct 
purchase and also through the State Govern- 
ment. The amount of compensation of the 
land acquired through the State Government 
is deposited with them by ONGC in full, 
immediately after the assessment is made by 
the State Government, for disbursement to the 
concerned paities. Land was acquired from 
273 land owners by ONGC through direct 
negotiations and compensation was paid to 
them in full. 

Enquiry into Foreign Tobacco Leaf and Ciga- 
rette Manufacturing Companies 

3399. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS 
be pleased to stale : 

(a) whether on receipt of a memorandum 
from the Tobacco growers and other allied 
interests regarding the monopolistic and res- 
trictive trade practices of the foieign monopo- 
lies in India in the Tobacco Leaf and Cigarette 
industries (Indian Leaf Tobacco Development 
Co., Vazir Sultan Tobacco Co., and Imperial 
Tobacco Company) Government asked the 
Monopolies Commission to go into the 
matter ; 

(b) whether the Monopolies Commission 
has completed its investigations ; and 

(c) if so, its findings and the action pro- 
posed to be taken in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGKUNATHA REDDY) : 

(a) The M.R.T.D, Commission has received 
a complaint from 27 consumers of cigarettes 
against Indian Tobacco Co. Ltd. tod Vazir 
Sultan Tobacco Co, Ltd. alleging certain 
restrictive and trade Jlptitices. 

The complaints mmm to rest] %ade 
practices have bps referred by 


ston for preliminary investigation by the Direc- 
tor of Investigation. 

(b) No Sir. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Drawback of Custom Duty on Plywood Chests 
granted to Tea Exporters 

3400. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the conditions and rate at which tea 
exporters are granted drawback of customs 
duty on Plywood Chests used for packing tea 
in bulk ; 

(b) the purpose for which the drawback 
is granted ; and 

fc) the total amount of drawback 
on plywood panels paid by Central Govern- 
ment on account of exports in 1969-70, 1970-71 
and 1971-72 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) The grant of drawback is 
subject to the conditions laid down in Section 
75 and Section 76 of the Customs Act, 1962 
and the Customs and Central Excise Duties 
Drawback Rules, 1971. The existing rate of 
drawback on Complete tea chest made of ply- 
wood panels is Rs. 138.20 per 100 Square 
metres of surface area of tea chest. 

(b) The drawback is allowed to relieve 
ehe export goods from the burden of Central 
Excise and Customs duties paid on materials 
used in export goods so that our export goods 
become more competitive in the world mar- 
kets. 

* 

(c) The information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House. 

Drawback of Custom Duty on Tea Chests 

3401. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : r * 

(a) the total amount paid to tea exporters 
towards drawback of custom duty on complete 
Plywood chests during the last three years 
year-wise, in addition to the rebate of excise 
duty on tea exports ; 



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(b) whether drawback^* allowed only on 
plywood chests manufacture# according to the 
specifications of Indian Standards Institution 
as raqilired tinder the Tea (Distribution and 
Export) Control order ; and 

(c) if not, the action’ taken against the 
tea exporter whose export business licence is 
stated to have been cancelled by Tea Board 
for having exported tea bulk in sub-standard 
plywood chests to U.S.A. as reported in the 
Press report ‘New threats to tea export’ publi- 
shed in * Hindustan Standard ’ dated the 19th 
June, 1972 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R, 
GANESH) : (a) The information is being 

collected and will be laid on the table of the 
House. 

(b) Grant of drawback is not subject to 
the condition that the chests should be manu- 
factured according to the Indian Standard 
specifications. 

(c) It is a fact that a tea exporter's 
licence has been cancelled by the Chairman, 
Tea Board who is the licencing authority, on 
the ground that he has contravened the pro- 
visions of the Tea (Distribution and Export) 
Control Order, 1957, The exporter has pre- 
ferred an appeal against the cancellation of 
his licence, which is under Governments’ 
consideration. 

Assessment of Income-Tax on Tea Exporters 

3402. SHRI B, K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the attention qf Government 
has been drawn to the practice of not main- 
taining proper record of private purchases of 
tqa by a section of tea exporters as revealed 
in the Press Report published in ’HINDUS- 
TAN STANDARD' dated the 19th June, 1972 
under the caption “New Threats to tea 
export” ; and 

(b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken 
by Government to ensure proper assess- 
ment of Income-tax of such Exporters ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K< R, 


GANESH) : (a) Press report mentioned 
has been seen. 

(b) Necessary investigations will be made 
and suitable action as called for under the law 
will be taken. 

Preference to Lady Doctors in Armed Services 

3403. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of Lady Doctors in the 
Armed Services ; and 

(b) whether no preference is given to the 
Lady Doctors in Army Services in the matter 
of appointments and posting and if so, the 
reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) 275. 

(b) The lady medical officers are not 
given any preference in the matter of appoint- 
ment. However; as regards postings, they are 
mostly posted in such establishments as family 
wings of the Armed Forces Hospitals, Sick 
Bays, Station Sick Quarters, etc. 

Industrial/Business Establishments in which Shri 

R P. Goenka and Members of his Family 
hold Shares 

3404. SHRI LALJI BHAI : 

SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW- 
HAN : 

Will the Minister of COMPANY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state the namss of 
the industrial and business concerns of which 
Shri R. P. Goenka the industrialist of Calcutta 
and the Members of his family are share- 
holders 7 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA 
REDDY) : The information is being collected 
and it will be laid on the Table of the House. 

Taking over of Andhra Scientific Company, 
Masulipatnam 

3405. SHRI RAM PRAKASH ; 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to take 



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over the management of Andhra Scientific 
Company, Masnlipatnam ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). Government have 
already taken over the Management of the 
Andhra Scientific Company, Masulipatnam in 
June 1972 under the Industries (Development 
and Regulation) Act, 1951. 

This was because the Company had re- 
mained closed for financial reasons since 
November, 1971 and it was considered neces- 
sary to revive production in the unit to meet 
Defence and Civ 1 requirements for Scientific 
Instruments in the country. The Company 
had also the necessary potential both by way 
of plant and machinery and technical person- 
nel to achieve this end. 

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Manufacture of Laser Weapons 

3407. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA j 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of the 
fact that USA has developed a laser weapon 
which renders all conventional armies and 
nuclear weapons obsolete ; 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ; 
and 

(c) ’ whether Government propose to 
manufacture similar weapons for the defence 
of the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) Government is aware of the 
development of laser weapon systems in USA 
but Government has no information that USA 
has developed a laser weapon which renders 
all conventional armies and nuclear weapons 
obsolete. 



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(b) We are folly alivclto the potentiality 
of Laser In military use. * 

(c) Our Defence Research and Develop- 
ment Organisation has already undertaken 
several investigational problems on develop- 
ment of Laser borne systems and our activities 
are going to be expanded in the next few 
years. 


Consumer Price Index for Industrial Workers 

3408. SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJ- 
PAYEE : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the National average consu- 
mer price index number for industrial workers 
has reached 238 ; 

(b) whether the workers are to get in- 
creased D.A. according to the recommenda- 
tions of the Gajendragadkar Commission : and 

i since when ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
fttoteTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) The All India Average Con- 
ftimer Price Index number for industrial 
workers for the month of June, 1972, which 
is the latest avilable, was 244 (Base 1949= 
100). The 12 monthly average for that month 
|m 327.08. 

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(b) and (c). Presumably, by the term 
"workers” Central Government employees are 
incatkt. If ^o, the last increase in dearness 
allowance was given to Central Government 
employees with effect from J.9.68 on the 12 
monthly average of All India Consumer Price 
Index number (base 1949 = 100) reaching 215 
in terms of *the recommendations of the 
Gajendragadkar Commission . Subsequently, 
on the recommendations of the Third Pay 
Commission, interim relief and additional 
interim relief were allowed on the 12 monthly 
average of the Index number reaching 218 and 
228 respectively. In terms of the recommen- 
dations of the Pay Commission, the question 
of any further review can arise .When the 12 
monthly average of the Inde£ caches 238. 


Saving of Foreign Exchange In Accounts 
Office of Indian Embassy in 
Washington 

3409. SHRI FATESINGHRAO GAEK- 

WAD : 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 
KAKODKAR : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a self-imposed cut In the 
Accounts Office of the Indian Embassy in 
Washington has resulted in a substantial saving 
of foreign exchange : and 

(b) if so, the extent thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a) Yes. 
Sir. 

(b) Thirteen thousand six hundred dollars 
approximately during 1971-72. 

Concentration of Pak Volunteer Force in 
occupied Kashmir 

3410. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 

SHRI K. MALL ANNA ; 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a new Pakistani volunteer 
force of 2 lakhs men is at present under train- 
ing in Pakistan occupied Kashmir ; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Government have 
information about the training of a volunteer 
force in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. 

(b) All related developments in Pakistan 
are taken into consideration while reviewing 
our defence plans. 

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Revenue Pool Arrangement between Air 

India and Malaysia Singapore Airways 

3412. SHRI P.K. DEO : 

SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there was revenue pool arran- 
gement between the Air India and Malaysia 
Singapore Airways ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the arrange- 
ment ; and 

(c) whether this arrangement has now 
come to a close and if so, why ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) and (b). air India currently has a reve- 
nue pooling arrangement with Malaysia-Singa- 
pore Airways This provides that the revenue 
in respect of traffic uplifted in India and 
discharged at Singapore and vice versa is to 
be pooled by the two carriers and shared on 
an agreed basis. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Recovery of outstanding Amount of Loan 

■ from Refugees from Pakistan 

3413. SHRIJ. MATHA GOWDER : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 


(a) since how long the sum of Rs. 2.68 
crore in case of 2620 loan accounts at the 
close of October, 1971 is outstanding from 
refugees from Pakistan ; 

(b) the pi ocedure adopted for the recovery 
of the loans ; 

(c) the expenditure being incurred on 
the staff of Rehabilitation Finance Adminis- 
tration Unit which is now functioning as only 
a recovery unit ; 

(d) the criteria adopted for compounding 
the due by remission in part or in full in 
deserving cases ; and 

(e) the amount of loan that has so far 
been compounded by remission in part or in 
full ? ' 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) Most of the loans were 
given between 1948 to 1951 and a few between 
1951 and 1958 by the erstwhile Rehabilitation 
Finance Administration. 

(b) and (c). The loans were for a period 
not exceeding 15 years, ordinarily payable 
in 12 annual instalments. In case of defaults, 
they are recoverable as arrears of land reve- 
nue. Where the full recovery of outstanding 
dues is doubtful, cases have been compounded 
on payment of a certain lump sum in settle- 
ment of the dues. The compounded account 
is decided, on the merits of each case after 
taking into account the paying capacity of 
the borrowers/guarantors mainly on the follw- 
ing considerations : — 

(i) Where recovery proceedings are likely 
to cause avoidable hardship to the 
borrowers/guarantors and/or involve 
incommensurate time, labour and 
expenditure ; 

(ii) Where the position of the borrowers/ 
guarantors has been adversely affected 
due to natural calamities and/or other 
factors ; 

(iii) Where the only source of recovery 
is the sale of house property, whether 
mortgaged or otherwise, solely used 
for purposes of dwelling and such 
sale would result in the eviction of 



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the borrower cautfag him extreme 
distress ; 

(iv) In a case, in which the principal sum 
has been recovered fend no further re- 
covery is possible ffom the borrower, 
the guarantor alone is not normally 
proceeded against for recovery of 
interest. 

(c) The expenditure of the office of the 
R.F.A. Unit for the year 1971-72 was Rs. 
3.81 lakhs. 

(d) As on 30th April. 1972, loans aggre- 
gating to Rs. 6.24 crores have been compound- 
ed for Rs. 3.42 crores by remission in part or 
in full. 

Air Pollution doe to Supersonic Concorde 
Aircraft which landed at Bombay 

3414. SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will tbe Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the new supersonic aircraft 
had flown over India and landed at Bombay 
recently ; 

(b) whether the question of air-pollution 
and the problems of sound and its repercu- 
ssions were taken into account while allowing 
Concorde to fly over India ; and 

(c) whether Concorde had flown at 
supersonic speed over India ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) Yes, Sir. The Concorde landed at 
Bombay both on its outward and return trips 
to and from the Far East and Australia. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) No, Sir. 

Experiments to Create Artificial Rain 

3415. SHRI RAMSHEKHAR PRASAD 
SINGH : 

SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 


(a) whether experiment to qreate Artifi- 
cial rain have been undertaken by Govern- 
ment ; 

(b) if so, the names of the places. State- 
wise ; and 

(c) how far Government have achieved 
success in these experiments, especially in 
drought affected areas 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). Experiments in artificial stimu- 
lation of rain were carried out, on a rando- 
mised basis, during the monsoon seasons of 
1957 to 1966 in the following regions 


Delhi ... 

Delhi State 

Agra 

Uttar Pradesh 

Jaipur 

Rajasthan 

Munnar 

Kerala 


cloud seeding experiments are also proposed 
to be undertaken soon in the Poona region in 
Maharashtra and in the Madras region in 
Tamil Nadu. 

(c) From the experiments conducted in 
the Delhi, Agra, Jaipur and Munnar regions, 
it was found that the rainfall over the seeded 
areas was higher than that over the unseeded 
areas by 20 per cent. 

Cloud seeding cannot, however, induce 
rain to fall when normally there would be 
no rain, though it can increase the amount of 
rainfall by the order of 10 to 20 per cent in 
situations where rain would have fallen. 

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Written Answers 62 


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Seminar on Public Undertakings 

3417. SHRI R.R. SINGH DEO : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether a seminar on public under- 
takings was recently held in New Delhi ; 

(b) the various recommendations made 
at the Seminar ; 

(c) whether it was suggested at the semi- 
nar that all Government units should fix 
realistic prices of their products ; and 

(d) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF F1NINCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) Presumably, the Honoura- 
ble Member is referring to the 'Seminar on 
Performance of Public Sector’ held in New 
Delhi from July 27 to 29, 1972. The Seminar 
was organised primarily by a non-govern- 
mental body. 

(b) and (c). The important matters consi- 
dered at the Seminar were : 

(1) need for scientific project formula- 
tion. 

(ii) need for setting up clear financial and 
other objectives ; 


(iii) adoption of proper performance 
budgeting techniques ; 

Civ) identification and quantification of 
social objectives ; 

' (v) problems of “accumulated deficits’* ; 
and 

(vi) need for realistic pricing policies, 

(d) The Seminar was meant for 
an exchange of ideas and experien- 
ces between the senior public sector 
executives with regard to various aspects 
affecting the performance of public enter- 
prises. The conclusions of the Seminar will 
receive due consideration by the authorities 
concerned. 

Arrests in connection with Seizure of 
Court Stamps in Dehradun 

3419. SHRI M.M. JOSEPH : 

SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether any arrests were made on 
28th July, 1972 in Dehra Dun on the seizure 
of Court Stamps valued at a million rupees 
and if so, the number of persons arrested ; 

(b) whether any enquiry has been held 
in the matter and if so, the outcome thereof ; 
and 

(c) the action taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The information is 
being collected and will be laid on the Table 
of the Sabha. •> 

Procedure for Selection of Personnel for 
Public Undertakings 

3420. SHRI N.K. SANGHI : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether faulty personnel selection 
procedure is one of the major factors responsi- 
ble for poor performance of public sector 
undertakings ; and 

(b) whether a committee has been 
appointed to go into the matter and if so, the 



63 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 64 


terms of reference of the Committee and when 
the findings of the Committee will be avai- 
lable ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). It will not be correct 
to generalise that personnel selection in public 
sector is faulty and as a result is inhibiting 
performance in some of the public sector 
undertakings. Selection of personnel for lower 
echelons of the management in an enterprise 
is entirely the responsibility of that enterprise 
and even for filling in the posts of top full- 
time executives, perference is given to per- 
sonnel from within an enterprise who have 
knowledge and experience of the enterprise. 
However, various aspects of the managerial 
personnel policy are being reviewed by Govern- 
ment. In this context, proposals relating, 
apart from recruitment, to such matters as 
Management Organisation, Managerial In- 
centives and Management Development Plans 
which embrace essential aspects like recruit- 
ment points, training programmes, job-rota- 
tion, career planning, succession plans, etc. 
are being considered. It is expected that 
when Government’s final decisions on these 
proposals are implemented, a more sound 
managetial personnel policy will emerge. No 
time limit has been fixed for the finalisation of 
these matters by Government and no specific 
Committee has been appointed for the 
purpose. 

Control of Managing Agency on Indust- 
rial Houses after Abolition on the 
system 

3421. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS be 
pleased to state : 

# 

(a) whether even two years aftar the 
abolition of managing agency most of the 
industrial houses in practice have been conti- 
nuing the same centralised control and ma- 
nagement in different forms ; and 

l&) if so, what action has been taken in 
the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY): 

(a) and (b). Government is already seized 
of soph prectices and the necessary provision 
to plug this .loophole has been included in 


Clause 15 of the Companies (Amendment) 
Bill, 1972. The notes on clauses in respect 
of Clause 15 at page 36 of the said Bill explai- 
ns the reasons for this proposed amendment, 

Loan from World Bank 

3422. SHRI FATESINGHRAO GAEK- 
WAD : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total amount of World Bank loans 
received by India so far ; 

(b) the amount and percentage of the 
loans still unutilised ; 

(c) the reasons for not utilising the loans 
fully ; and 

(d) the names of the projects which have 
been financed wholly or partly with World Bank 
funds and those progress has been found 
unsatisfactory 7 

THE MINISTER OFJ1NANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAe-'-CttAVAN) : (a) India 

has received an amount of $ 1,111.42 million 
from the World Bank and $ 1761.25 million 
from the International Development Associa- 
tion, a soft-lending affiliate of the World 
Bank. 

(b) The unutilised amount as on 1st 
August, 1972 is $ 108.69 million in respect of 
loans received from the World Bank and 
$ 364.28 million in respect of credits received 
from the International Development Associa- 
tion. This works out to 9.8% and 32% 
respectively. 

(c) The utilisation of the loans/credits is 
to be in accordance with the phased imple- 
mentation of the programmes/projects for 
which assistance has been secured. 

(d) The progress in regard to some of the 
Agricultural Credit Projects and Irrigation 
Projects had been somewhat slower than 
anticipated but the organisational and pro- 
cedural problems connected with their 
implementation have now been resolved and 
it is expected that the utilisation of the 
Credits would be accelerated in the near 
future. 



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Written Answers 66 


Savings in Foreign Exchange by Oil and 
Natural Gas Commission 

3423. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas 
Commission has saved foreign exchange to the 
tune of Rs. 8 crores. 

(b) if so, in what manner ; and 

(c) whether the Commission has developed 
indigenously air tube clutch assembly which 
was earlier being imported from U.S.S.R. ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : 

(a) Yes. Sir. 

(b) By establishing and procuring indi- 
genous substitute of such equipment, instru- 
ments and spare parts, as were hitherto being 
imported. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 


Use of Companies’ Fund by Executive 
Personnel for Defence in Criminal 
Proceedings 

3424. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI PILOO MODY : 

Will the Minister of COMPANY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Managing Directors and 
Managerial Personnel of Companies can use 
Companies’ funds for their defence in criminal 
proceedings against them ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) : 
(a) and (b). Attention is invited to the pro- 
visions of Section 201 of the Companies Act, 
1956, which deals with this matter. 


Delay in Issue of Licence to Pbthalic Anby- 

dride— A Down Stream Unit of Indian 
Petro Chemicals Limited 

3425. SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

SHRI FATESINGHRAO 
GAEKWAD : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased tQ state ; 

(a) whether delay in the issue of licence 
to a down stream unit of the Indian Petro- 
chemicals Limited, namely Phthalic Anhydride 
is likely to put the Corporation to an annual 
loss of Rs. 85 lakhs ; 

(b) the reason for delay in issuing the 
licence ; and 

(c) the steps taken in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) ; (a) Due 
to non-synchronisation of production of ortho- 
xylenes by the Indian Petrochemical Corpora- 
tion with increased production of phthalic 
Anhydride, the Corporation may have to find 
some other use for a part of its production for 
some time and/or to export it. The realisa- 
tion to the Corporation on these accounts 
may be less than what it would otherwise 
have been. The exact position in this regard 
can be known only after the Corporation has 
started production and its volume of produc- 
tion and the time-leg between this production 
and the production of Phthalic Anhydride etc. 
become know. 

(b) Four units are likely to utilize the 
Ortho-xylene to be produced by IPCL. In the 
case of one unit which has already been 
granted an industrial licence, an application 
for import of capital goods for effecting modi- 
fication to the existing plant to consume the 
Ortho-xylene of the specification offered by 
IPCL is under consideration. 

An industrial licence to another party 
whose foreign collaboration proposal and CG 
application have been cleared by the Govern- 
ment, is under issue. 

Foreign collaboration proposals from two 
parties who have been given letters of intent 
are under consideration. 



67 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 68 


(c) All possible steps ate being taken to 
ensure establishment of Phthalic Anhydride 
units at the earliest. 

Misappropriation in the Ration Account of 
656 Coy. ASC Brigade 

3426. SHRI K. MALL ANNA : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have since comp- 
leted the inquiry into the case of misappro- 
priation of Rs. 1 lakh discovered in the 
Ration Account of 656 Coy. ASC Brigade ; 
and 

(b) if so f the outcome of inquiry and 
the action taken by Government in the 
matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE )SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). The case 

is still pending investigation with the Central 
Bureau of investigation. Necessary action 
will be taken by the Government after the 
receipt of report from them. 


Financial Assistance from Foreign Countries 

3427. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : 

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the total amount of foreign aid 
received by India from foreign countries 
country-wise, during the current year so far ; 

< 

(b) how do these figures compare with 
those of last three years during the same 
period ; and 

(c) the steps taken to do away with 
dependence on foreign aid ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). 
A statement is laid on the Table of the 
House. 

(c) The Government is consistently 
emphas'sing the need to achieve greater self- 
reliance by pursuing policies for import substi- 


tution and export promotion in order to reduce 
our dependence on foreign loans. 

Statement 

During the current year agreements have 
so far been signed with the following 
countries, for total assistance of $ 83.47 
million ; 

Canada $ 46.25 million 

Denmark $ 5.70 million 

Sweden $ 10.60 million 

Netherlands $ 20.92 million 

2. Agreements signed with these countries 
during the last three years were as follows ; 

($ million) 



1969-70 

1970-71 

1971-72 

Canada 

28.02 

27.74 

49 94 

Denmark 

— - 

— 

— 

Sweden 

— 

— 

5.00 

Neiherlands 

— 

— 

13.81 


The most attractive place in India for an 
average Foreign Tourist 

3428. SHRI PRIYA RANTAN DAS 
MUNSI : Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state 
which is the most attractive place in India for 
average foreign tourist ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN RINGH) : 
This is a question of opinion However, accord- 
ing to a sample survey conducted during 
November, 1968 to October, 1969 the largest 
number of foreign tourists to India (60%) 
visited Delhi. 

Resettlement of Ex-Army Personnel in 
Andaman and Nicobar Islands 

3429. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the progress achieved so far in the 
settlement of ex-army personnel in the islands 
of Andaman and Nicobar ; 

(b) the facilities provided to them is 
settling themselves ; and 



69 ;* Written Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 { SAKA ) 


Written Answers 70 


(ic) the State-wise composition of these 
ex-army settlers ? 


THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). Under a 

scheme in 1969, 100 ex-servicemen were in- 
ducted in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. 
The pattern of land allotment is as follows : 


Officers 

25 acres 

JCOs 

15 „ 

ORs 

JO 


In addition, each family was provided with 
the following assistance : 


(1) Transportation from home town to 
the islands at Government expense. 

(2) Free ration at approved scale for the 

the scale for the 2nd and 3rd years 
respectively. 

(3) Initial grant of Rs. 2500/- for seeds, 
fertilizers and pesticides etc. for one 
year. 

(4) Grant of Rs. 3,000/- for purchase of 
agiicultural equipment, live-stock etc. 
Supply of these was made in kind 
through Agriculture Department. 

(5) Grant upto a muximum of Rs. 
2,500/- for purchase of house-hold 
equipment, utensils etc, 

(6) Grant of Rs. 5,000/- for construction 
of houses ; pending such construc- 
tion, temporary accommodation was 
provided. 


Other amenities like internal roads in the 
colony, water supply, dispensary and schools 
etc. were provided by the Andaman Adminis- 


All the settlers were from Punjab, 
Custodians of Nationalised Banks 

3430. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of the Custodians of the 
fourteen nationalised bank ; 

(b) how many of them belonged to the 
management cadre of the concerned banks 
before nationalisation ; 


(c) wheher the top management personnel 
of the nationalised banks are transferable from 
one Bank to the other ; and 


(d) whether any transfers have been made 
in their cadre ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) A statement giving the re- 

quired information is attached. 


(b) Under Section 7(5) of the Banking 
Companies (Acquisition and Transfer of 
Undertakings) Act, 1970 the person who was 
the Chauman of the bank before nationalisa- 
tion because automatically its Custodian. 
Since nationalisation there have been changes 
in the custodianship in nine of the fourteen 
nationalised banks and four of the new 
Custodians are from within the concerned 
banks. 

(c) and (d). The management personnel 
of the nationalised banks are not transferable 
from one bank to another. However, there 
is no bar under the Banking Companies 
(Acquisition and Transfer of Undertakings) 
Act, 1970 to the appointment by Government 
of a person belonging to one nationalised 
bank as the Custodian of another nationalised 
bank or as a managing or whole-time director 
under the Scheme framed in accordance with 
the Act. Two Custodians appointed after 
nationalisation, are on deputation from the 
Reserve Bank and the State Bank and two 
others were formerly serving in the Reserve 
Bank and in the State Bank, 



71 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answers 72 

; Statement 

Names of Present Custodians of Fourteen Nationalised Banks 


S. No, 

Name of Bank 

Name of Custodian 

1. 

Centra] Bank of India 

Shri B. N. Adarkar 

2. 

Bank of India 

Shri J. N, Saxena 

3. 

Punjab National Bank 

Shri P. L. Tandon 

4. 

Bank of Baroda 

Shri V. D. Thakkar 

5. 

United Commercial Bank 

Shri V. R. Desai 

6. 

Canara Bank 

Shri K. P. J. Prabhu 

7. 

United Bank of India 

Shri B. K. Dutt 

8. 

Dena Bank 

Shri R. A. Gulmohamed 

9. 

Syndicate Bank 

Shri K. K. Pai 

10. 

Union Bank of India 

Shri P. F. Gutta 

11. 

Allahabad Bank 

Shri B, K. Mookerjea 

12. 

Indian Bank 

Shri G. Lakshminarayanan 

13. 

Bank of Maharashtra 

Shri C. V. Joag 

14. 

Indian Overseas Bank 

Shri R. N. Chettur 


Introduction of Passenger planes for mass 
transportation 

3431. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the introduction of passenger 
planes capable of mass transportation at consi- 
derably reduced fares, with slpwer speeds, are 
contemplated by Government ; and 

(b) whether the measure would be possi- 
ble within the existing frame work of aeronau- 
tical manufacturing capacity of the country 
an-1 expertise in Civil Aviation ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR, KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) No such proposal is under consideration. 


(b) Does not arise. 

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Written Answers 76 


Erection andoperation of welding machine 

imported by Indian Airline* from U.K. in 
1966 ; 

3435. SHRI PILOO M0DY : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to refer to the reply given to 
Unstarred Question No. 5355 on the 18th 
December, 1970 regarding Welding machine 
imported by 1 A.C. and state : 

(a) whether the technical data regarding 
erection and operation of the Welding Machine 
imported from United Kingdom in 1966 and 
lying at Santacruz Airport has been received 
and if so, when ; 

(b) what are the reasons for such delay 
in receiving the technical data ; 

(c) whether the machine has since been 
installed and if so. when ; and 

(b) whether after the question referred to 
above was asked in Parliament, the machine 
was shifted from the one side of the workshop 
to the other and is kept covered with tarpau- 
lin and is not being used at all ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) Yes, Sir, at the end of the year 1967. 

(b) The data supplied initially was ina- 
dequate. Further clarification had (o be 
sought from the manufacturers which resulted 
in the delay. 

* (c) After receipt of the installation and 
operational instructions, the machine was 
erected in the welding shop located in the 
western side of the Tata hangar in February 
1968. Unfortunately, the electrical power 
cable to this hangar which was laid as far 
back as 1946 was found inadequate for the 
additional power load required for this 
machine. 

Later on, when a new cable of higher 
capacity was laid for the Electrical Overhaul 
Shop on the eastern side of the Tata hangar, 
the machine was shifted there in January 1971. 
In this area the maximum sanctioned demand 
load was of 200 KW for which the rate of 
payment was Rs. 11/- per KW per month 
irrespective of the actual power consumption. 
The Bombay Suburban Electric Supply Com- 


pany wanted to Increase this load demand 
from 200 to 400 KW if the spot welding 
machine was to be permanently connected 
with the power mains. This would have meant 
an immediate increase of Rs. 2.20Q in the 
monthly electric bill and it was felt that for 
part-time utilisation of the machine, the 
monthly payment of Rs. 2,200/- would be 
wasteful. 

In the new hanger complex, a demand 
load of 645 KW from the high tension supply 
has been made. It will be possible to connect 
the machine permanently when this load is 
made available to Indian Airlines at the new 
hanger complex. 

(d) The machine in question was not 
otherwise shifted from one side of the work- 
shop to the other after the question in Parlia- 
ment. It is kept covered with a tarpaulin as 
a measure of protection. 


Assistance in setting up a Fertilizer Plant 
in Iraq 

3436. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of PETRO- 
LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to 
state ? 

(a) whether an Iraqi Oil delegation which 
visited India recently asked for assistance in 
setting up a fertilizer plant m Iraq ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government in 
this regard and the extent of assistance 
agreed to ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and 
(b). The Iraqi delegation which visited India 
recently have evinced interest m the setting 
up of a fertilizer plant in Iraq in collaboration 
with Iadia. There has been some exchange 
of thought between the two countries on this 
subject. Some further discussions were also 
held with the Iraqi delegation which was in 
India in the last few days. 

Memorandum from Young Chartered 
Accountants 

3437. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD 
VERMA : Will the Minister of COMPANY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 



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(a) whether the Young Chartered Accoun- 
tants Forum in a memorandum to the Prime 
Minister has demanded the setting up of a 
high powered committee to go into the working 
of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of 
India ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY 
AFFAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) : 

(a) and (b). Information is being collected 
and it will be placed on the table of the 
House. 


Progress made to have more Fertilizer Factories 
to meet shortage of Fertilizers 

3438. SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to stale what further 
progress has been made to have more Ferti- 
lizer Factones in the country to meet the 
shortage of fertilizers and to reduce the 
imports from other countries ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS (SHRI H R. GOKHALE) : 11 new 
projects are currently under implementation 
and the capacity of thiec existing units is be- 
ing expanded, These together will increase 
the capacity for production of nitrogen by 
21.55 lakh tonnes. Certain other proposals 
for creating additional fertilizer capacity arc 
also under consideration. These are in addi- 
tion to measures that are being taken on a 
continuing basis to optimise production in the 
existing units. 

Procurement of sub-standard Goods by M.F.S. 

Authorities at Jullundur during Indo-Pak 
War 

3439. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether some sub-standard goods were 
procured by M E.S. authorities at Jullundur 
during the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971 ; 

(b) whether any enquiry in the ' matter 
has been made and if so, the outcome thereof ; 


(c) whether the whole material, so pro- 
cured was consumed and if so, how and why ? 

' THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a; Yes. Sir. 

(b) An enquiry has been instituted and 
result is awaited. 

(c) Most of the materials, except small 
quantities, were issued to units, during the 
Indo-Pakistan conflict of December, 1971, to 
meet their operational requirements. 

Construction of Quarters at Pathankot 

3440. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether some residential quarters are 
under construction at Pathankot near 
Dhangoo Pir ; 

(b) if so, whether the quarters are quite 
near to the boundary of Airfield of Pathankot ; 
and 

(c) the estimated cost of construction of 
these quarters ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) Rs. 42,31,000.00 approximately. 

Number of officers in the Joint Cipher Burcnu 

drawing less Pay than the Junior Officers 

3441. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of officers in the Joint 
Cipher Bureau drawing lesser pay than the 
officers junior to them in the same grade : 
and 

(b) the steps taken to protect the pay of 
the senior officers and how much time it would 
take to remove this anomaly ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 



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(b) Measures to protect the pay of seniors 
and avoid recurrence of iuch anomalies are 
already under examination. 

Restoration of Land to Cultivators at Babatpur 
Airport 

3443. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether as a result of re-alignment of 
fencing of Babatpur Airport, it was decided in 
1969 to restore the surplus land to cultivators ; 

(b) if so, whether this has been done ; 
and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor and the 
time by which the land is proposed to be 
restored to the cultivators ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) The Director General of Civil Avia- 
tion had decided that the land near the kut- 
cha runway at Babatpur aerodrome (which had 
become surplus consequent on the re-alignment 
of the operational fencing) should be released 
for cultivation. 

(b) and (c). The auction proposed to be 
held on the 8th August, 1972 for cultivation 
rights has been postponed for a few weeks to 
enable interested cultivators to form a co- 
operative society which could also take part in 
the auction. 


Flight recorder indigenously developed at 
the Aircraft Overhaul Division of 
India Airlines 

3444. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a flight recorder has been in- 
digenously developed at the Aircraft Overhaul 
Division of the Indian Airlines ; 

(b) whether it has been completely tested 
and found upto the mark ; 

(c) if so, whether Government propose 
to manufacture the same to save foreign 


(d) whether every passenger plane of 
Air-India and Indian Airlines will be fitted 
with this equipment ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) No, Sir, The flight data recorder is an 
imported equipment but its installation on 
F-27 aircraft has been designed by Indian 
Airlines. 

(b) The installation of F-27 aircraft has 
been successfully completed, tested and appro- 
ved by the Director General of Civil Aviation. 

(c) Some foreign exchange has been 
saved by designing the installation system 
locally. 

(d) All Boeing 737s and Caravelles of 
Indian Airlines are already fitted with flight 
data recorders. They are also being fitted 
progressively on HS-748 and F-27 aircraft. 


Evasion of Taxes by Big Business Houses 

3445. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA ; 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether it has come to the notice of 
Government that evasion of taxes to the tune 
of crores is being perpetrated by Big Business 
Houses ; and 

(b) if so, what steps Government propose 
to take to stop this ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The problem of 
tax evasion and the methods to combat it have 
been examined by the Wanchoo Committee 
and the report submitted by it has been laid on 
the Table of the House. Some of the recom- 
mendations have already been incorpofated in 
the Finance Act, 1972 and other recommenda- 
tions are under consideration. 


Discontinuation of Annuity Deposit and 
Fixed Deposit Schemes 

3446. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE 



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(a) whether the schemes of Fixed De- 
posits and the 15-year Annuity Certificates 
have been discontinued as they were no longer 
popular with the public ; 

(b) if so, whether any study has been 
made to analyse the causes of their being un- 
popular ; and 

(c) if so, the main findings of the study ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. De- 
posits under the scheme of Fixed Deposits are 
not accepted with effect from the close of the 
business on the 31st July, 1971. The sale of 
15-year Annuity Certificates was discontinued 
from the 1st September, 1971. 

(b) and (c). Before the decision to dis- 
continue the above mentioned two schemes 
was taken, a review was made in consultation 
with the Reserve Bank of India and the matter 
was also considered at the meeting of the 
National Savings Central Advisory Board. 
The 5-year Fixed Deposits Scheme had not 
attracted much money and the collections 
were showing decreasing trend possib'y due 
to the introduction of the 5-year Post Office 
Time Deposits with effect from 16 3 70, with 
higher rate of interest of 7-J% par annum (tax- 
able). It was, therefore, decided to discontinue 
the Fixed Deposits Scheme The 15-year Annu- 
ity Certificates had lost their popularity because 
of the availability of vaiious other savings 
certificates with higher late of return and also 
because the commercial banks were offering 
higher rates of interest on investment. The 
payments by Government under this scheme 
had been more than the investments during 
the last few years. It was, therefore, decided 
to discontinue the scheme with effect from the 
1st September, 1971. 

Delay in Execution of Public Sector Projects 

3447. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a number of feasibility re- 
ports on the industrial and other projects 
were scrutinised in compliance with the direc- 
tive of the Prime Minister and the causes of 
dealy in the execution of public sector 
projects were analysed by Government ; and 


(b) if so, the main causes responsible 
for the dealy in the execution of public sector 
projects ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
.MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R, 
GANESH) : (a) In compliance with the 
directive of the Prime Minister the causes of 
delay in executing public sector projects and 
the consequent shortfalls in budget provisions 
were studied in the Ministry of Finance. 

(b) Important causes responsible for a 
delay in public projects were found to be : 

(i) Shortage of material like steel ; 

(li) Late delivery of indigenous equip- 
ment ; 

(iii) Slow progress scarce of civil works ; 

(vi) Labour troubles ; 

(v) Procedural delay in procurement of 
indigenous equipment through DGS 
& D, m finalisation of consultancy 
agreements and in procurement of 
equipment involving Foreign Ex- 
change. 

(vi) Delay in the preparation of detailed 
project reports after the investment 
decision is taken. 

Setting up of Credit Guarantee Corpora- 
tion of India 

3448. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have set up 
Credit Guarantee Corporation of India Limited 
to provide credit facilities within certain spe- 
cified limits and the Corporation has started 
three new schemes ; 

(b) whether under the scheme, entitled the 
Crepit Guarantee Corporation of India (Service 
Cooperative Societies) Guarantee Scheme, 1971, 
only the State or Central Corporation bran- 
ches in Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh 
and Mahrashtra and Union Territories of 
Goa, Daman and Diu are eligible to joiq this 
scheme ; 



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(c) whether the other States would also 
stand to benefit from this Scheme ; and 

(d) whether Government propose to per- 
suade the remaining Governments to extend 
the coverage of the Deposit Insurance Act to 
their territories ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINACE (SHRIMATI SHU- 
SHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. In con- 

sultation with the Government, the Reserve 
Bank has promoted an institution called the 
Credit Guarantee Corporation of India Limi- 
ted to afford a measure of protection to banks 
and other financial institutions against risks, 
if any, in meeting the credit needs of the 
smaller borrowers in the priority and hitherto 
neglected sectors. The Corporation was regis- 
tered under the Companies Act 1956 on 14th 
January, 1971 and was granted the certificate 
of commencement of business on 29th January, 
1971. During the first year of its operation, 
the Corporation introduced three separate gua- 
rantee schemes. 

(b) Yes, Sir Under the Scheme entit- 
led ‘'Credit Guarantee Corporation of India 
(Service Co-operative Societies) Guarantee 
Scheme 1971”, besides all the schedule com- 
merical banks in the country, other credit 
institutions eligible to participate in the 
Scheme are the State and Central co-operative 
banks of those States which have adopted 
the Deposit Insurance Act, 1961. 
Currently, it is only the States of 
Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Maharshtra 
and the Union Territory of Goa, Daman and 
Diu which have adopted Deposit Insurance 
Corporation Act, 1961. 

(c) Other States would become eligible 
to participate in the Credit Guarantee Cor- 
poration of India (Service Cooperative Socie- 
tiee) Guarantee Scheme 1971 as soon as they 
adopt the Deposit Insurance Corporation Act, 
1961 be suitable enactment by the State Legis- 
latures. 

(d) In terms of provision of Deposit 
Insurance Corporation Act 1961, the deposit 
insurance coyer can be extended to co-opera- 
tive banks of only those States which carry 
out certain amendments to their existing co- 
operative legislations. This question is under 
consideration of the various States. 


Mahila Pradhan Kshetriya Bachat Yojna 

3449. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- 
SHAR : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) wheher Government have launched 
the “Mahila Pradhan Kshetriya Bachat 
Yojna” ; 

(b) whether according to the scheme, 
organisations and individual women workers 
will be paid commission on the collection 
secured through them ; and 

(c) if so, the amount of commission to 
be paid ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) and (b). Yes, 

Sir. 

(c) The amount of commission payable 
is 2.25% of the collections secured and depo- 
sited in post offices from time to time. 


Theft of belonging of victims of Japan Airlines 
Plane crashed near Delhi 

3450. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : 

SHRI P. K. DEO : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the theft of belongings of the 
victims cf Japan Airlines Plane crashed near 
Delhi in June, 1972 ; 

(b) whether Government have apprehen- 
ded the culprits ; 

(c) whether some police personnel were 
also involved in the thefts ; and 

(d) if so, the action taken against them ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION : (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) Government have seen some pres9 reports 
in this connection, but enquiries have not subs- 
tantiated them. 

(b) to (d). Do not arise. 



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Loss suffered by Indian Airlines 
during 1971-72 

3457. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY: 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Airlines has suffered 
a loss during 1971-72 : 

(b) if so, the extent thereof and the reasons 
theiefor : and 

(c) the steps taken to improve the draw- 
backs ? 


THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) Yc$, Sir. 

(b) Approximately Rs. 4.55 crores. The 
main reasons for this loss were ; 

( i ) Disruption of air services on account 
of Pakistani aggression. 

(ii) Increase in the price of fuel and 
other operational costs. 

(iii) Substantial increase in the wage bill 
following wage settlements. 

(iv) Additional expenditure on account 
of circuitous flights to avoid Pakistani 
territory and stoppage of flights to 
Kabul. 



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(iv) Increase in insurance rates to cover 
hijacking and war risks. 

(c) Efforte. are being made to increase the 
utilisation of aircrafts, promote traffic and 
reduce expenditure by effecting economy where 
possible. 

Proposal to set up a Nylon Textile Factory 
in the Pubiic Sector in Assam 

3458, SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have any propo- 
sal to set up a Nylon Textile factory in the 
Public Sector jn Assam ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ; 
and 

(c) the stage at which the proposal stands 
at present and the action so far taken in 
persuance thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) and 

(b). A letter of intent was issued to the 
Assam Industrial Development Corporation 
on 29th Decembei 1971 for setting up a new 
industrial undertaking in the State of Assam 
for manufacture of 2100 tonnes per annum 
of Nylon Filament Yarn. The capital cost 
for a project of this size is estimated to be 
of the order of Rs. 7 crores. Capital goods 
for the project would be of the value of about 
Rs. 6.25 crores, of which imported capital 
goods might constitute approximately 60%. 
These are only preliminary figures and details 
will be available when the party makes the 
capital goods application. Foreign collabora- 
tion is envisaged for this project. The 
Corporation will be holding a minimum 
equity share holding of 26% in the 
company implementing this project, and they 
will be the single largest share-holder, 

(c) Proposals regarding Foreign Collabora- 
tion etc. are awaited. 

Amount Mobilised by Unit Trust of India 

3459. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 


(a) whether in its eight years of existence 
the Unit Trust of India has been able to mobi- 
lise only a sum of Rs. 100 crores ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor 1 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) During the first eight years 

of the Trust’s operations ended the 30th June 
1972, sales of units amounted to about Rs. 119 
crores. Allowing for the repurchases (i.e. 
units sold back to the Trust), the net sale of 
units as on the 30th June 1972 amounted to 
about Rs. 105 crores. 

(b) The Trust was established in 1964 with 
the primary objective of mobilising the saving 
of the small and medium income groups by 
providing them with an opportunity of 
investment in sound equities with minium risk 
and reasonable return. The units of the 
U.T.I. are only one of the many avenues 
open to the public for investing their savings. 
The unique position of 'units* by virtue of 
exclusive tax concession on income upto 
Rs. 1000 derived by unit-holders from invest- 
ment in units in the initial years was no 
longer available after the 1st April 1971 when 
the tax concession was extended to income 
from other investments also such as deposits 
with banks, shares of Indian Companies, 
National Savings Certificates and other speci- 
fied investments. Raising of bank rates in 
January, 1971 and attractive rates offered by 
the National Savings Certificates in March 
1970 also decrease the attraction for units. 
The sale of units was also affected due to 
economic stresses suffered by recession in 
certain industries during 1065-67, drought in 
various parts of the country for two conse- 
cutive years and two wars with Pakistan. 


Expenditure on Rations and Games of Pak 
P.O.Ws 

3460. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the cost of rations for* the Pakistani 
Prisoners of War till June, 1972 : and 

(b) the cost of equipment for games 
supplied to the Prisoners of War ? 



91 Written Answers . 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 92 


THE MINISTER 0£ DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Rs 1,02,05,000 upto 
30,6.1972. 

(b) Rs. 28,000 on amenities which includes 
cost of equipment for games, upto 30.6.1972. 

The expenditure at (a) and (b) above 
includes cost of rations and aminities provided 
both to military personnel and the civilians. 


Permission to Pakistani Prisoners of War 
to tune into Radio Pakistan 

3461, KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state whether Pakistani Prisoners of War are 
permitied to tune into Radio Pakistan, where- 
as the Indian Prisoners of War in Pakistan 
are not getting such facilities and if so. 
Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : The Pekistani Prisoners 
of War in India are permitted to listen to 
news bulletin of the Radio Pakistan. The 
International Committee of Red Cross have 
not yet confirmed that facilities to listen to 
All india Radio are available to Indian 
prisoners in Pakistan. The matter has been 
taken up with the International Committee of 
Red Cross. 

Pocket Allowance to Pak P.O.Ws 

3462. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI : 
SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Pakistani Prisoners of 
War are receiving pocket allowance regularly ; 
and 

(b) if so, the total expenditure incurred 
on the Prisoners of War as pocket allowance 
up to June, 1972 7 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir, 

(b) An expenditure of Rs. 67,29,000/- has 
been incurred up to 30.6.72 on allowance 


given to military personnel and civilians 
in accordance with the Geneva Conventions. 

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qR% fq> : 

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mm ssft# w# vrsm Jr ssr^t 
STctf fWR I; #T 

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#T totw ifaTOTI Jr sq- 
(#TO#Tf«5) : (qr) aftT (m). 
% 3T5T % ir JJg fTO* 

WT | f* if $J1RT % Jtfairr 

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frrr# # to# % sito qR 

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(qr) qft |t, # qm $ ? 



93 Written Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SARA) 


Written Arswers 94 


wrufaft nwftv r rm) : (n) 

ark (n) fanm sntflA nt, % wfw 

srwafi VUrffew qRA % fk A *TRcffe 

qrfa^rrR't 3 rt sreireff % srfafafaiff % 
«ftn ar^fr fanR fw«ff arift 1 1 

t*T An*T iftw SWT Wan %nff 
% % f?i^ 

3465. n't fan jnR 5ITC«rt : 

*ft %0 H T «K T» : 

WT Wan 3lh HFR fenTW Asft *T| 

«rjtA qA fir ^rA fa : 

(4?) wtstritrA An A tftnn 
srsrrn qrAaq %?srf ffaT*r *rA % fan 
T^f spiifan ?>TRT |; 

(n) qfe |t, at fan-fa^ WRff 'R; 
(q) WTOT spT fenR few A 

arm^ *jrA % fan afat^t Ant A n* 

arm? an AnA ^T |; 3fk 

(n) qfe ?r, eft *n ? 

nian 3fk nPR fwm Ant (5l0 
nn fa|) : (n) An Anar afar wan% 
fe^Tn 4?t ^fa«TT ST^TR *rA % fan, < RZ'T 
fenR A =^A |n OTPff 5PTT n«T 

afar nrn-WRf arife 4?r n|rwr at | ark 
A T|r 1 1 

(w) ^ %?af A ^rt ttitwt it 
nf | arnaT fen nrA 5T fanR |, ffanfafaa 
nffafaa f :— 

1. qnafknr m ^far n^n-wm 
(amnn) i 

2 . apR|T TT^far Tfa (nsn aAn) 

3. TRAa TT«£ttr qfa (ann srAn) 

4. f<R n?n aftn 8R«rc«rff (gaRra) 


5. AfenR aw 3fam«rc*nn (%rn) 

6. IRcT^T a« T afar 8RaiRTFT 
(Traremn) 

7. arfknT aw afar 3Rn*nw 
(TTarenH) 

8. garonf aw afar nrnRnn (afan 

9. aretyr awnta n^ata (nnr) 

10 aft At aW after SRUTRIPT (Agr) 

1 1: ^R'TTSST lAt ?Rn*«TTn (*T|Rn^) 

12. nn skar ant nwaTn (garon) 

13. ^fanr aw after nwnrn 

(|fTJTTOIT) 

14. aj?^TTTfi aw after *Rnsnrn 
(qfaw sfqrw) 

15. ^ift^Tfaw^ qjjp, 

(srttr a^ar) 

(q) art, ^|t I 

(sr) sraq smt i 

n«R Tfertn % fan srit fwx Aar 
nfa nfa # ftnrr BR*fe% % 

*k A famr 

3466. «ft fan fUTT 5IR3ft : qqr 
wan afk tot farn n n nnt €r 

fqr qk'A fa wt ttt^r A fa<nn fani 
|, fa arn cR) n^R ?fewT qA ^fat mn 
nfr |AA nwi w tw nA ernr Aar nf?r nfa 
femin nft n^tA annA ? 

wan aftr nin? femw nsft (aro vn 
fa|) : aft, n|t 1 q*R ?fesnr «Ft 



95 Written Answers 


AUGUST 2 , 5 , 1972 


Written Answers 96 


afaaTafa % ?kra atf afk faara RfteJt 
tft ftf jft 3 TTTt( a$T | | 

Will JfT ftftfltjf % iJWMI % fel{ ?f 

3467. aft TOlf sara : WT f*R 
*f^rY a? aatf ^ far spT»r fa : 

(a) aaT *RaR ^ ak saTaa 
af^ar ai tr a't | faa% sraraa ama 
frewy aar a?atv, sp'Or a'y akt, fatav 
gsrr ar aaa aJr arfaa ?r«rr pr faafay 
smm a^ arJr safeaaf a> afT aa fair 
rf a%; ak 

(r) afa |t, ay aaar afKr aar | ? 

# 

fjm RRIHa Jr TRq *T 3 fy («ft %o 
3TRo aR5T) : (a) S(k (a). fafa 
arakr a qa fr^fr mar^a affar aaR akr 
tPT gsna fan |, fanir nat niarfaa aar 
arrfaa amisff % aaa Jr qa ft an? 
sama sqa^m faf?a f\ i am nfafa a at 
ar 3rraaa riant strir'i % ait a nsa 
araar^y aa% % feq f® gsrra fan 1 1 
a na gat a, fafa Rink at a^a fnarkat 
% ara, FanJr aa arcana ark aaaa-saiaia 
r% araamf % faq -faaRa aa aa ay 
saaaar ak ay fnarkn at Rifaa |, 
ant faaiamya f 1 

»fa5RT am faam araf qa afaawT ®aa 

3468 . at mranr srwa : 

«ft qa« qao gaar : 

aar a an ant a? aaia ay far aa?r 
fa na an % akrn fa asr-saa ar faa?t 
srfaaa arc nkraT aar faara ara aa rr 
faar aar ? 

aar riama (a«T arcran) Jr am 
n?*t («rt faarr aaa pw) : 1971-72 
% akin fw a^T saa ai anna 15 srfcrera 


a«TT srgaaia qa faara araf aa 9 s # Ppai 
aar i 

aw atsT Ji aa mar amt ri arfrin 
at arm am safaraf % 

■TOT «WTOT 3 UTOT 

3469.' aft aasns aara : aar fan 
ant a? aart ay far aa*y fa : 

(a) asa sraa Jr ryJr faa^ saf^p | 
faa^ft ara ?a aa aaa % afaa | ak 
faa% araaa aamr ak 

(r) aaa aaTaT faa arfyar ^ | ak 
aaay aa^y % feq aaan srt aar aaa- 
ar^y al ar x$ | ? 

fafr amma Jf arra amt (sfy %o 
mao aa5r) : (a) ark (r). asa ata 
% a? faafftfaaf % art a aaar 
qafaa a^y Rr r^y I faraaV aia faRtaaa 
1971-92 % akra gt faq irqr arfara aT 
faaT^a'r % mara 1 0 vm no a Rfaa 
sfy ark faaay aia 31 ara 1972 aT ara 
ar ay aarar ay i at? aaar aarmaa 
afysr aar-qsR <r m al arqay i 

asa star Ji amfaat 

3480. sfy mrarnr aam : aaT amay 
ara aayaf aar^ at far ata fa asa Ja 
Jr fa aaa ara ar x$t faaat arqfaaf 
amat arfafaaa a arata aatfa | ak 
Ra% fm faat aata aarra rt t|| ? 

amat ara am> («fy f^aw tiat) : 

31-3-1972 aa, aca akr Jr.fgRrfjRT 
atfaa qa a»q?ft Rfafaaa % aartfa aat- 
fa 414 arqfaar arka «ff i aa% aftaft- 
faa araaarq, fRaJr a? amfaat gw aq 
Jr rrr «fy i a? «r : ( l ) f fa am akrfma 
araaaiq— 13 awfaat (2) rPtr aar 



9f Written Answers BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 


— 12 (3) fanrqq tfa PwT«i-^mr 
qyfr anfa— 70 (4) fqqiqq qi 
faqfa-qr^ qq qqr?qt arrfa— 78 (5) faqr- 
qrr tnf fask-nf n$ ar?q nq^ siffm 

— 45 (6) fcqk ifa nqilfafliq— 17 
(7)simm (®TFTR rfa fan)— 120(8) 
qnrc ^ nq$n— 38(9) HTgqrfan 
tr# sqrqrfqn %qii— 3 tfa (10) eqfafqn 
iTq 3Tf!T Jrqiq-18 | 

4h 

faisif ?f sen 

3471 «ft ffPS n?q tosts : wt fan 

qsft q^ ^crr% n> frqr nii fa : 

(n) *TRn nf sjq% fanrq minif 
% fa(T faitff & 3T5T qn fW faffif Tlf^T m 
mi STM |3TT 

(n) STOTT % fan 3$ 1969-70, 
1970-71 cT«rr 1971-72 n ifnq facr qq 
^uff qr qqn-qqn sqm % nq q faqqf 
TrfaarcTnf; affa 

(q) arq nn fa(T ^off qT sfa-sqfar 
sqrs nf Tiftr faqqf fttff | ? 

fan qqjff (nf ««iVa<iq , «*«^l' J i ) : 
(n) 30 nq, 1972 nn «tttct nrnR i 
$55 10,698 nil? Wf (afafa pqTSTffa 
srq-nqkf nt «(ft) % ^"i sra fa^ |, 
fsrcrSr if 9290.98 nit? qqi nf qns qq- 
qfq q?f sir *[nf 1 1 

(n) mrq qrnR sttt «*tt3t % nq 
if 1969-70 Jr 155.26 nit?, 1970-71 if 
162.66 nif?i 1971-72 if 177.13 nTt? 
pqqr s?t faqr qqr i 

(q) anrnnfa^ qi ^u*ft % n^Fs 
jf qfTiTST *TWT< ffRT 1972-73 if iq sqm 
nt qfa-sqfar Tlfa 3.32 qqir is<ft t I 


t*x sin Jr xvsfnm isif nt mmi 

3472. nt jmr n*? <mn : wt fan 
snrt q? qnfa qff fqT nii fa : 

(n) ?n qqq ?nq sin % fafon 
fanf *f Trs?tqf?r inf qff jn faspff 
srrafa f ; affa 

(n) 1972-73 % farffq si Jr nwr 
if f n fanit urrami fanrqjq aftr nf?5f 
nrqif ? 

fan snrroq Jr gq-ns?ff(nfa«f gsfan 
T^qqf) ; (n) srfa (n). arifarrqnqr 
qqi-qsw qr qir faqr®r Jr if si 1 1 
[qqm Jr wr qqr i ifaq qqqi LT — 

3503/72] 

SR5I % aifajT RST 5HT?TST* 

fanf Jr qrsifqfn inf nt nrani 

3473. «r> fn»r n?q nsqnr -. qqr fan 

qqf q^ qqri nf frqr nii fa : 

(n) qqi sin Jf emr 
^nr^rqrq fqnf Jf TT«ffqfq inf nf fn 
faerif mnnt nri nr q^f |; sffr 

(n) qr^qfq inf siqr fan si 
1971-72 % qftrq ®fi famif nf wt n^ 
qnfqf % fanm % fn^ fanif nfa % 
fan q^ | ? 

fan *faTP(q Jf nqjqnf (nfatffgntai 
Tf^qif) : (n) 30 ^q, 1977 nt affajr 
affq ^nt^iqiq fanf Jf mi nq q| qqnrd 
nn ir inf, fani TT^fqfrq in »fi nrfan 
% mqfaqf nf imr ?n smr «ff :— 


pi? in qnsffqfrq inf affr 
3>Tn 5 f<Rqr % n rcfe q smrtf nn 
% qrrqfaq % in 

nfqjq 7 5 12 

snrfiqR 20 22 42 



99 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 100 


(w) «*OT*ft*T 

art T# t aftT IT ^ anqftt I 

fcWf ftirmfa % f«tj snjft* 

3474. *ft pi* VT TfOTTO : *77 TOT 

*Wft 0? 7RTTft «lft ?TT *Tft f* : 

(v) wt f® ftsfi ft amft ^raff % 
fftq ottst ®r«nT % OTTtfta msft *ft 
TRft arrays font; 3 fix 

(*) irfft ?f, ?ft fRSFsraft sifar *rr 
| TOT TT ®T*K aft *rr srfafw I ? 

Tan ftsft (aft ®m«ftw tth) : (*) 

aft ?t, aftor i 

(®) urea amr aft ^ aftfa | fo t? 
n*ft fft«r ftaft % sr% *ramf«rT sr?nr* ^ i 
fftftvrf jRT ?ft fail »rft argftsr 3 T«t^t ^ 
tot sftrlr aft ^fw % *n*rft ft aft ^ ^Ttaif 
sra? ^ aft ot *pRft ( 

Talks with U.S.S.R. on Refinery Equipments 

3475. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : 

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any talks were held with 

U.SJS.R. on refinery equipment in July 1972 ; 
and • 

(b) if so, the outcome thereof and the 
progress achieved in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOK1IALE) : (a) and 
(b). A team of experts from the Indian Oil 
Corporation and Engineers India Limited 
visited the U.S.S.R. in July 1972 in this 
connection. It is not in the public interest to 
disclose the details. 


Setting op of an independent and impartial 

Machinery to investigate Aircraft Accident 

3476. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether no independent and impartial 
machinery has been evolved in India to 
investigate aircraft accident ; and 

(b) if so. the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). The present arrangements for 
aircraft accident investigation have worked 
satisfactorily. However, the question of taking 
the accident investigation branch out of the 
Director General of Civil Aviation is being 
examined. 

Assistance from World Bank for Rural and 

Urban Water Supply Schemes in U.P. 

3477. DR. RANEN SEN : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the U. P. Government have 
sought assistance from World Bank for rural 
and urban water supply schemes in the 
State ; 

(b) if so. the nature and extent of assis- 
tance sought ; and 

(c) whether World Bank has agreed to 
provide assistance in this respect ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). 

The Government of U.P. have prepared a 
Master Plan for providing rural water supply 
in a few districts of U.P. and a Master Plan 
for water supply and sewerage in KAVAL 
towns and suggested that Government of India 
might seek financial assistance from the World 
Bank for the implementation of these projects. 
These proposals are under the consideration 
of the Government of India. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Shortage of Personnel in Nationalised 
Banks 

3478. DJI. RANEN SEN: Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 



Written Answers 102 


lil Written Answers BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


(a) whether there is a shortage of trai- 
ned personnel in the nationalised sector of the 
banking industry ; 

(b) whether this is hampering the expan- 
sion of bank branches in rural areas ; and 

(c) if so, the steps taken to meet the 
shortage of personnel ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) This is acting as a constraint to 
some extent. 

(c) Various nationalised banks have 
stepped up their recruitment programme and 
are redesigning their training activities. 

Anniversary Celebrations of Nationa- 
lised Banks 


3479. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the 14 Nationalised Banks 
observed the 3rd Anniversary of the take-over 
from July 19 to 25. 1972 ; 

(b) whether anniversary celebration by 
the Bank of Baroda took the form of new 
emphasis on traditionally "Neglected-sector* 
and if so, the nature thereof ; and 

(c) whether the Nationalised Banks in 
Delhi propose to start 'Multi-service agency* 
to identify and help self employed persons 
of modest means, if so, in what way ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The Bank of Baroda observed the 3rd 
Anniversary week of bank nationalisation 
with an emphasis on canalising credit towards 
weaker sections of the society i.e . self-employ- 
ed people of modest means in urban areas 
and small and marginal farmers in rural 
areas. Accordingly all the branches of the 


bank were to process atleast 5 proposals for 
advance to retail traders, small artisans, self- 
employed persons and others in the neglected 
sectors for making disbursements on the 19th 
July, 1962 or during the anniversary week. 
In terms of the intensive area approach for 
loans to farmers, 980 villages had already been 
identified by the bank's various branches. 
As part of the celebration of the anniversary 
of bank nationalisation, the respective bran- 
ches were asked to process atleast two or three 
proposals for advances at these centres , for 
making disbursements on 19th July or during 
the week. 

(c) While there is no general decision by 
the nationalised banks in Delhi to start a 
single unified “Multi-service Agency”, serving 
all the banks, the Bank of India has set up 
such an agency called “Bank of India Naye 
Entrepreneurship Development Scheme” 
(B1NEDS) with a view to fostering the growth 
of entrepreneurship particulary in the small* 
scale sector and to secure/provide the backage 
of assistance to young entrepreneurs, particu- 
larly the techno-entrepreneurs etc. The State* 
Bank of India has also started Consultancy^ 
Bureau in collaboration with the Federatioor 
of Associations of Small-Scale Industries at; 
New Delhi recently. This Consultancy Bureau 
has been speciffcally designed to serve the 
needs of young entrepreneurs interested to set 
up small-scale units. 

Scheme for Direct Injection of Liquid 
Ammonia into the Soil by F.C.I. 

3480. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Fertilizer Corporation 
of India has finalised a package scheme for 
direct injection of liquid ammonia into the 
soil ; and # 

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE 
AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS 
(SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and ib). FCI 
have prepared a pilot scheme for direct iqjec- 
tion of anhydrous ammonia into the soil. The 
Corporation proposes to implement the schemis 
in the farms situated within the boundary 
walls of its units where all facilities with 
regard to handling and storage of anhydrous 
ammonia are available. The trials would 



flW Written Answers 


AUGUST 45, 1974 


Written Answers MM 


b ft tarried out on three important crops viz. 
tfrhttit, Sugarcane and paddy. 


Delay in the Commissioning of the Tata 
Fertilizer Project at Mithapur 

3481. SHR1 P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM KAKOD- 
KAR : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the commissioning of Tata 
Fertilizer Project at Mithapur is likely to be 
delayed further ; and 

(b) if 80 , the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHR! H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b) 
M/s Tata Chemicals Ltd., were given a letter 
of intent on 25.7.1972 for setting up a fertilizer 
plant at Mithapur. The period of validity 
dow stands extended upto 20th November, 
1972. Detailed financing proposals and other 
particulars, as stepulated in the letter of intent, 
ire being awaited from the company. It is, 
therefore, not possible to say at this stage as to 
when the project is expected to go into pro- 
duction. 

Indigenous Manufacture of Standard Gun 

3482. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFENCE 
be pleased to state the efforts being made to 
design and manufacture indigenously a standard 
gun for our war-ships ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : A standard *gun for 
Our war-ships has not yet been developed 
indigenously as it would not be cost-effective. 

Self-Sufficiency in Leander Class of Frigates 

3483. SHRI VISHWANATH PRATAP 
SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFENCE 
be pleased to state the time by which India 
WiU be able to attain self-sufficiency at the 
prese n t rate of production of frigates of Lean- 
det class 7 


THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHU- 
KLA) : The Indian Navy has placed orders for 
six Leander Class Frigates on M/s Mazagon 
Dock Limited which are under construction. 
Of these one has already been delivered and 
commissioned and another three are under 
various stages of construction. All further 
requirements of the Navy for this type of ships 
would also be met by M/s Mazagon Dock 
Limited. 

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3484 . no Fwtarcm qiia : wr 

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7T fanTPT % arfsrFTftqf 

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srfafairr | ? 

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Fire in Ordnance Factory, Shahjahanpur 
(Uttar Pradesh) 

3485. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether there was a fire in the Ord- 
nance Factory, Shahjahanpur (Uttar Pradesh) 
last year in which a few persons were injured 
and heavy loss was caused ; and 

(b) whether a proper enquiry was made 
into the incident and if so, the outcome 
thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) During 1971, a fire occurred 

in the Cotton Teasing Shop of the Clothing 
Factory Shahjahanpur on 28.52 72. There were 
no injuries to any person and the loss was 
assessed at Rs 1260.76. 

(b) Yes, Sir. The enquiry revealed that 
the fire was accidental and remedial measures 
suggested by the Board of Enquiry have since 
been implemented. 

Below-Standard Garments made for Defence 

Services in the Shahjahanpur Ordnance 
Clothing Factory 

3486. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the garments made for the 
Defence Services in the Shahjahanpur Ordinan- 
ce Clothing Factory are not up to the required 
standard and they are accepted under conces- 
sion ; 

(b) if so, the number of such concessions 
granted from January 1971 to December, 1971; 
and 


(c) the steps Government propose to 
take in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHU- 
KLA) : (a) to (c). Information is being collec- 
ted and will be placed on the Table of the 
House. 

Tailors of Shahjahanpur Ordnance Clothing 

Factory making Civilian Garments 
for Trade 

3487. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD: 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the best tailors and crafts- 
men of the Shahjahanpur Ordinance Clothing 
Factory are employed in making civilian 
garments are trade and those who are not up 
to such standard are making garments for the 
Defence Personnel ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons for not deploying 
the best craftsmen for manufacturing garments 
for Defence Services ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a) and (b). No, Sir. Tailors 

employed for production of civilian garments 
for trade as well as for making garments for 
the Defence personnel depending on the skill 
required for the specific jobs. 

Scheme for Development of Road Tourism 
in Mysore State 

3488. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the Minister of TOURISM 
AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have formulated 
any scheme for the development of road tour- 
ism for Mysore State ; and 

(b) if so, a gist thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH): 
(a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) To promote road tourism, the Go- 
vernment has initiated a scheme to put up 
Camping Sites and Motels on road routes 
where the density of tourist traffic is high. 



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The Government ofiMysore has suggested 
5 locations for Camping jSItcs and 3 fof Motels 


as under 


i 

Camping Sites 


Motels 

1. Belgaum 

1. 

Bijapur 

2. Amrutheswai 

2. 

Marawanthe 

3. Chitradurga 

4. Bandipur 

5. Bannerghatta 

3. 

Belur 


To begin with, it is proposed to put up 
two Camping Sites, one each at Belgaum and 
Bannerghatta, The Government of Mysore 
has been requested to furnish estimates for 
these projects which are awaited. 

Details of the scheme for putting up Motels 
at selected centres on all-India basis are being 
finalised in consultation with the State Go- 
vernments. 


Inquity into the Digging of Tunnel In 
Pow’s Camp, Ranchi 

3489. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : 

SHRI SAT PAL KAPOOR : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether inquiry into the tunnel 
found dug under a stack of firewood in 
Pakistani Prisoners of War camp at Ranchi 
has been completed ; and 

(b) if so, the outcome of the inquiry and 
whether the responsibility has since been fixed 
and action taken ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) As a result of the inquiry, the cir- 
cumstances and the details of the attempts 
made by POWS have been ascertained, result- 
ing the suitable remedial measures being taken. 
Since no fault on the part of Camp staff was 
discovered, no action was taken against them. 


Steps to make Air India Service Attractive 

3490. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a') whether foreign tourists prefer BOAC 
and other foreign airlines to Air India while 
coming in or going of the country ; 

(b) if so, whether Government have 
analysed the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) whether any steps have been taken to 
make Air India service more attractive to 
attract foreign tourists to travel by this 
airline ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) The figures of traffic carried by Air India, 
BOAC and other foreign airlines during the 
year 1971 are given hereunder and will show 
that Air India is securing a substantial share 
of the market : 



To India 

From India 

Air India 

1,23,457 

1,34,084 

BOAC 

32,758 

38,903 

Other foreign 
airlines 

1,71,334 

1.97,451 


(The above figures do not include the 
traffic carried between India and neighbouring 
countries viz . Burma, Nepal, Ceylon and 
Afghanistan ) 

(b) Does nol arise. 

(c) Yes, Sir. In collaboration with the 
Department of Tourism, Air India has set up 
a joint promotional effort in Europe (including 
U.K.) and U.S.A. to attract more tourists to 
this country. 

Air India has introduced, through IATA 
machinery, a number of discounted promotion- 
al and group inclusive fares from various 
parts of the world. Additionally, it is always 
attempting to maintain the highest standards 
of in-flight service. 

Remittancerby Indians Living Abroad 

3492. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to infer 



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to the reply given to Unstarred Question No* 
2235 on the 7th April, 1972 regarding re- 
mittance by Indians living abroad and state : 

(a) the number of persons detected and 
arrested for receiving funds remitted through 
unauthorised channels by the Indian immi- 
grants abroad and the action taken by Go- 
vernment against them during the last two 
years ; and 

(b) the steps Government propose to take 
to tackle this problem ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Data re- 
garding the number of persons arrested for 
receiving funds remitted from abroad through 
unauthorised channels are being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House. 

(b) Certain legislative measures are under 
contemplation for strengthening the existing 
provisions of the law. The Enforcement ma- 
chinery is also constantly vigilant and takes 
action in individual cases that come to 
notice. 

Distribution of Money by Industrial Development 
Bank of India 

3493. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : 

SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : 

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the total distribution of money by the 
Industrial Development Bank of India during 
last three years. State-wise to encourage small 
scale sectors ; and 

(b) what has been the criteria in this re- 
gard while distributing money to private Sector 
in each State ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The Industrial Deve- 
lopment Bank of India generally does not give 
assistance to small sector units directly. It 
refinances the loans given by banks or State 
Financial Corporations in respect of units 
covered under the Credit Guarantee Scheme. 

A statement showing Statewlse distribution 
of refinance assistance* sanctioned and dis- 


bursed, by the Development Bank in respect 
of loans to small scale units during the last 
three financial years is laid on the Table of 
the Houe. [Placed in library . See No. Lt- 
3504/72] 

Repatriation of Profits by Foreign Companies 

3494. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN 
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been an increase in 
the profits repatriated by foreign companies 
during the last three years ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) The following table gives the 
remittances made abroad on account of pro- 
fits and dividends during the last three 
years 


Year 

Profits 

Dividends 


(Rs. crores) 

1968-69 

130 

30‘3 

1969-70 

127 

314 

1970-71 

131 

435 


Data or the year 1971-72 is not yet 
available. While profit remittances during the 
three years do not show any substantial in- 
crease, remittances of dividends during 1970-71 
were substantially higher than in the preceding 
two years. 

(b) The sizeable increase in dividend 
remittances is on account of the larger remitt- 
able liabilities of foreign owned oil companies 
and the step up in the dividends declared by 
some of the other foreign controlled rupee 
companies. 

PL. 480 Funds 

3495. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN 
MISHRA : Will the Minister of FINANCE 
be pleased to state the amount of PL. 480 
funds for which budgetary credit was taken 
since the beginning of the PL. 480 imports ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) ; Th* total 



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amount of PL. 480 ftuxgs for which credit has 
been taken in the Budget since the PL. 480 
imports started in 1956 aggregated Rs. 2305 
croreg on 30*6-1972. This comprises of the 
following components 

(Rs. crores) 

1. Loan received by Govt. 

of India. 1411 

2. Grants received by 

Govt, of India. 337 

3. PL. 480 rupee funds 
invested in Govt, of 
India Special Secu- 

rities. 243 

4. PL 480 imports 
made under Con- 
vertible currency 
credit (involving no 

rupee deposits). 314 


Total : 2305 


Committee to Enquire into the Working of 
Foreign Companies 

3496. SHRI RAMPRAKASH : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any representation for setting up a Commi- 
ttee inquire into the working of foreign to com- 
panies in India ; and 

(b) if so, the decision of Government 

thereon ? 

THE. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) Yes, Sir, Govt, have received 
a reference from a member of Parliament 
regarding the excessive remittances made by 
certain foreign controlled companies by indulg- 
ing in production and marketing of non- 
essential goods. The Hon’ble Member has also 
made a suggestion for the setting up of a 
small committee to probe into the working 
of the foreign companies in India. 


(b) The matter is under examination. 

Enhanced Pension Benefits to Defence Personnel 
(Combatant Ranks) 

3497. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the reasons for which the Defence 
personnel (Combatant Ranks) retired during 
the period from the 1st December 1968 to 30th 
November 1969, were not granted full enhan- 
ced persionary benefits as a consequence of 
merger of Dearness allowance as Dearness 
pay at par with those personnel who retired 
with effect from 1st December 1969, when 
these personnel are similarly governed by the 
Pension Regulations for the Army Part I and 
II for the grant of pension ; 

(b) whether this is not an unproportion- 
ate formula by which these personnel were 
granted only half the advantage of enhanced 
rates of pension and full and ad hoc tempo- 
rary increase of pension was deducted; and 

(c) if so, the steps which Government 
propose to take to mitigate the hardship 
caused to the retired Defence Service peisonnel 
in the lower ranks ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (b). The orders 
treating a portion of dearness allowance as 
dearness pay for pensionary benefits in respect 
of Service personnel are based on the civil 
orders. Like civilian Government employees, 
Service personnel below officer rank have 
been granted service pension by adding to 
their emoluments the following quantum of 
dearness pay, without ad-hoc increase sanc- 
tioned from time to time 

(i) One-half of the dearness pay in res- 
pect of those personnel retiring on 
or after 1st December 1968 but before 
1st December, 1969 ; and 

(ii) full dearness pay in respect of per- 
sonnel retir g on or after 1st Decem- 
ber, 1969. 

If, in any case, the revised rate of pension 
is less than the existing rate of pension toge- 
ther with ad'hoc increase, the pensioner is 



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eligible to draw the later award. 

plan to encoatage Internal Tourism 

3498. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 
TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether no serious efforts have been 
made by Government to encourage internal 
tourism ; 

(b) whether any plan has been drawn up 
to encourage tourism within the country ; 
and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) to (c). No, Sir. The necessary infra-struc- 
ture for tourism in continuously being expan- 
ded and improved. Youth Hostels, Tourist 
Bungalows, Reception Centres, Rest Houses at 
game sanctuaries and camp sites arc being 
constructed Government have also allocated 
funds for loans for the construction of hotels 
and the purchase of tourist transports. All the 
tourism facilities being provided are for the 
use of both domestic and foreign tourists. 

Master Plan for an Integrated Development 

of Goa Beaches for Destination Toursits 

3499. SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided to 
draw up a Master plan for an integrated deve- 
lopment of Goa Beaches for destination tou- 
rists and charter groups ; 

(b) if so, when the master plan is likely to 
be drawn up ; and 

(c) what is Government’s estimate of the 
possible number of tourists visiting Goa Bea- 
ches, after they are fully developed ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. It is proposed to 
develop beach resort facilities in Goa for 
promoting a larger volume of tourist traffic. 
A beach resort development survey will 
shortly be taken up for drawing up a master 
plan of development, 


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(c) It will be possible ' to estimate the 
number of tourists who will visit Goa only 
after the survey has been completed and an 
assessment made. 

Proposal to develop each Resorts at Im- 
portant centres along the Coistilne 

3500 SHRI BHOLA MANJHI : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM & CIVIL AVIATION 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have any propo- 
sal under consideration to develop beach re- 
sorts at important centres along the coastline ; 
and 

(b) if so, the number of resorts to be de- 
veloped and their location ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). Yes, Sir. Besides the development 
of Kovalam near Trivandrum as a beach 
resort, work on which is already in progress, 
Goa has been selected for development as 
another major beach resort. Accommodation 
and other facilities are also being provided at 
Mahabalipuram. 

Proposal to set up a Holding Company for 
Air India and Indian Airlines 

3501. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI- 
ATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to set up a 
holding company for Air India and Indian 
Airlines ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). The question of strengthening 
coordination between the two Air Corpo- 
rations is under constant review. In this pro- 
cess, a suggestion for establishing a holding 
company is also being studied. 

Setting up of Pipeline Project In Eastern India 

3502. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any tender was called for the 


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Written Answers 116 


salting up .of pipeline presets in the Eastern 
India; 

(b) if so, the name of the company whose 
tender was accepted ; and 

fc) if not, the reasons thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) The 
following two pipelines are under construction 
in the eastern India 

(i) Lakwa-Moran by Oil and Natural 
Gas Commission ; and 

(ii) Haldia-Rajbandh by the Indian Oil 
Corporation. 

For the Lakwa-Moran pipeline open 
tenders were invited by the Oil and Natural 
Gas Commission. The construction of Haldia- 
Rajbandh pipeline involves the following four 
jobs and open tenders were invited by the 
IOC for the last three of those 

(i) Mainline construction 

(ii) Pipe handling 

(iii) Pump-station erection 

(iv) Radiographic inspection and catho- 
dic protection. 

(b) (i) Lakwa-Moran pipeline \ 

M/s Dodsal & Co., Bombay. 

(ii) Haldia-Rajbandh pipeline 

M/s Auroville Industries, Calcutta 
(Pipe handling) 

M/s B. M. Engineering Co„ 
Calcutta (Pump station erection) 
M/s Corrosion Control Services, 
Bombay (Radiographic inspection 
and cathodic protection works), 

(c) Tenders were not invited for the main- 
line construction work of Haldia-Rajbandh 
pipeline due to the following reasons 

(i) The job was required to be executed 
00 'crash’ basis by taking advantage 


of the current working season for 
moving imported crude to Barauni 
refinery before the end of 1972 and 
to maintain the existing supply of 
petroleum products in the Calcutta 
area. 

(ii) The work involved is a highly specia- 
lised one requiring the use of heavy 
machines and expertise. Keeping this 
in view four well-known contractors 
in this field in the knowledge of IOC 
and ONGC ware called for negotia- 
tion and the best party thereof vfe. 
M/s Dodsal Pvt. Co., Bombay was 
selected by a duly constituted 
Committee. 


Offshore Drilling at Tapti High 

3503. SHRI VFKARIA : 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 
AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether because of the setback in its 
venture of offshore drilling at Aliabet, 
Government arc having second thoughts about 
Tapty High ; and 

(b) if so, what are the O.N.G.C.’s plans 
about Tapti High and what progress has been 
made so far in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) No. 

Sir. 

(b) As the water depth at the location 
selected for drilling in Tapti Offshore struc- 
ture, is considerable and as a mobile offshore 
drilling platform has already been ordered fbr, 
it is considered advantageous and more econo* 
mical to undertake drilling on the Tapti 
Structure using the mobile platform. The 
mobile platform is expected to arrive in India 
in December, 1972. It will be developed for 
drilling on the structures in deeper waters in 
the Arbian Sea like 'Bombay-High’, and will 
be diverted for drilling on the Tapti Struc- 
ture later when it can be spared from the 
former areas, taking into consideration the 
weather and sea conditions. 



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iProposftl from Government of Gujarat 
for setting up Detergent Alkylate and 
Ethylene Glycol Projects 

3504. SHRI VAKARIA : 

SHRI SOMCHAND SOLANKI: 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a proposal by the State 
Government of Gujarat for setting up Deter- 
gent Alkylate and Ethylene Glycol Projects 
is still pending with the Government of India ; 
and 

(b) if so t the decision taken by Govern- 
ment thereon ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) There is 
no proposal of the Government of Gujarat 
for setting up Detergent Alkylate and Ethylene 
Glycol Projects. The State Government has, 
however, proposed to participate with the 
Central Government in these two projects 
which are being set up by the Central Govern- 
ment in the public sector. 

(b) No decision has yet been taken. 

Determination of existing price for Crude 

3505. SHRI D. D. DESAI : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether his Ministry have raised objec- 
tions to the existing crude pricing system of 
the ESSO and Burmah-Shell ; and 

(b) whether suggestions for determining 
the price of crude imports were received and 
if so, main outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) and 

(b). The various claims made by the foreign 
oil companies in regard to the determination 
of the price of the crude oil imported by them 
from their own sources for processing in their 
refineries in India have not been fully 
accepted. ESSO and Burmah-Shell have 
suggested certain methods for determining 
the price of crude oil imported by them. 


However, these suggestions have been linked 
by thefh with the larger question# of -expan- 
sion of their Refinery and marketing opera- 
tions etc. A detailed study has been tindet- 
taken of the various alternatives of dealing 
with the matter and a final decision will bb 
taken as soon as these studies have been 
completed. 

Persons travelling without tickets in Calcutta- 

Bombay Caravelle of the Indian Airlines 
on 27.5.1972 

3506. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 1814 on the 
11th August, 1972 regarding people found with- 
out tickets in Calcutta-Bombay Caravelle of 
Indian Airlines on 27th May, 1972 and 
state : 

(a) the particulars of the persons who had 
been found travelling without ticket ; and 

(b) the names and designations of the 
officials against whom complaints have been 
lodged in this connection ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) The eight passengers without tickets 
(including two babies) were members of a 
marriage party. Since the parents of the 
babies already had tickets, the two children 
were permitted to travel after tickets were 
Py4f^i‘ — ?d for them. The remaining passengers 
* ;***pd and their names are : 

1. Shri N. M. Parikh 

2. Mast. Ashu 

3. Shri R. H, Amin 

4. Shri K. K. Chakraborty 

5. Shri Rajen Taunk 

6. Shri N. M. Patel 

(b) An inquiry is in progress and has not 
yet been completed. 

L.I.C.'s investments in Business concerns 

3507 . SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Win 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(*) the investments made by the Lib 



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Insurance Corporation !, la business concerns during the same period ; and 
during the last three years ; 

(c) its investments in the Hindustan Lever 
(b) L.I.C., investments in the Companies and Co., till date t 
under each of the 20 Big Business Houses 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a) 



1969-79 1970-71 

(Rupees in Lakhs) 

1971-72 

Public Sector 

Nill 

1.36 


20.73 

Co-operative Sector x 

152.73 

228.36 


200.43 

Private Corporate Sector 

1217.23 

1043.64 


994,72 

TOTAL 

1369.96 

1273.36 


1215.88 

Larger Industrial House 


1969-70 

1970-71 1971-72 

(Rupees in Lakhs) 

1. A.C.C. 


42.76 

0.35 

19.18 

2. Andrew Yule 


0.11 

17.77 

0.66 

3. Bangur 


3.90 

48.28 

4.99 

4. Bird Heilgers 


0.02 

4.03 

0.27 

5. Birla 


79.98 

131.24 

42.29 

6. Goenka 


0.23 

6.09 

4.37 

7. I.C.I, 


83.94 

8.72 

7.18 

g. J.K. (Singhania) 


00.8 

2.02 

9.98 

9 . Kilachand Tulsidas 


— 

— 

8.47 

10. Killick 


41.20 

170.24 

35.99 

11. Mafatlal 


10.32 

50.21 

1.12 

12. Martin Burn 


0.14 

0.11 

201.57 

13. Sahu Jain 


— 

— 

— 

14. Sarabhai 


— 

— 


15. Scindia Steam Navigation 


1.56 

— 

— 

16. Shri Ram 


0.18 

4.02 

2.25 

17. Sooraj Mull Nagar Mull 


— 

— 

— 

18. Tata 

s 


205.40 

134.16 

66.81 

19. Thapar 


0.08 

3.62 

0.05 

20. Walcband 


10.62 

3.45 

0.50 

Total 

480.52 

584.31 

405.68 

(c) Description 

No. of 
shares 

Face Value 
(Rs.) 


Book Value 
(Rs.) 

7»% Debentures 1977-80 

— 

85,20,000 


83,98,821 

Equity shares of Rs. 10/- 

F.P. 

89,286 

8,92,860 


15,75,809 

Total 

89,286 

94,12, 860 


99,74,630 


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R.B.I. report on remittance profits hy 
Foreign Companies 

t 

3508. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether a study made by the Reserve 
Bank of India has revealed that foreign 
functioning in India are a drain on our 
economy ; 

(b) whether large amount of profits of 
these companies are directly or indirectly 
remitted abroad ; and 

(c) if so, the steps proposed to be taken 
to check unfair remittances 7 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) No. 

Sir. 

(b) All remittances abroad of profits and 
dividends by foreign companies operating in 
India can be made only directly with the 
prior approval of the Reserve Bank of India. 
Such remittances during 1968-69 to 1970-71 are 
as under : 

(Rs. crores) 


Year Profits Dividends 

1968- 59 13.0 25.4 

1969- 70 12.7 27 6 

1970- 71 13.1 38.7 


(c) Does not arise. 

Placing Orders for Indigenous Items in lieu 
of imported ones by the Department of 
Defence Supplies 

3509. SHRI MUKHTIAR SINGH 
MALIK : 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Department of Defence 
Supplies placed orders for 12,935 items with 
the Indian manufacturers which I to be 
originally imported ; and 


(b) if so, the items ordered and the 
Foreign Exchange saved thereby ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI , VIDYACHARAN 
SHUKLA) : (a). Since the inception of the 
Department towards the end of 1965 till end 
of March 1972, orders have been placed with 
Indian manufacturers for 13,104 items. The 
items ordered fall in two categories (i) which 
were originally imported and (ii) which are 
developed indigenously and are being intro- 
duced into the Defence Service for the first 
time. 

(b) Since the number of items ordered i9 
very large, it would take considerable time to 
furnish the list. Moreover, the effort 
involved may not be commensurate with the 
objective likely to be achieved. It would be 
difficult to give the precise figures of saving 
in foieign exchange due to the following 
reasons : 

( i ) In several cases, foreign exchange is 
released for import of raw materials 
and components as well as for 
capital balancing equipment and 
therefore this amount would have to 
be deducted from the value of items 
ordered. This information would 
have to be collected case by case. 

(ii) As -mentioned in part (c), all the 
items ordered were not originally 
imported and for such items, number 
of which is large, corresponding 
values in foreign exchange would not 
be readily available. 

(iii) Even for those items which were 
originally imported, the prevailing 
prices in foreign markets, at the time 
of placement of orders on Indian 
manufactures were not available in 
many instances. The number of 
these items is also large. 

Borrowing of Central Government and States 

3510. SHRI MUKHTI \R SINGH 
MALIK : Will the Minister of FINANCE be 
pleased to state the total net market borrowing 
of the Union Government and States ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : As indicated 



123 Written Answer#, 


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Written Answers 124 


in the Statement on Market Borrowings laid 
on the Table on 21st August, 1972 net market 
borrowings of the Union Government and 
State Governments during the year would 
approxirfcately amount to Rs. 323 crores and 
Rs. 132 crores respeciivdy* 

Release of Full Report of Malaviya Committee 
on O. N. G. C. 

3511. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
has been invited to a statement made by the 
Chairman of Committee on Oil and Natural 
Gas Commission, Shri K. D. Malaviya, M.P., 
urging Government to release the full report 
of the Committee to avoid misinformed 
criticisms of its findings ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) Government consider that the 
summary of the Malaviya Committee Report, 
released by them, is a full and authentic one 
and there is nothing in it which should lead to 
misinformed criticism of the findings contained 
in the main Report. As far as the Report 
itself is concerned it is presently under 
examination of Government and after this is 
over. Government’s opinion on the various 
important recommendations would need to be 
forwarded to Parliamentary Committee on 
Public Undertakings for their comments. It 
is only on receipt of CPU’s comments that 
Government would be in a, position to take 
final decisions on the Report, In the circums- 
tances, it is not considered advisable, in the 
public interest, to release the Report. It has 
also to be added that the CPU have not, as 
yet, permitted Government to release the 
Report. 

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(*r) qfe ?t, cit ro% *tt *rro | ? 

fafa aftr wro ott fatfaro aftr 
row* fat isparo sttto nWrw) : (*) 
afa (s). TP3TWR % qftfat ott k 
*f*qfa arfo 1 1 sift w 
qfa qq qwmr | wr tfa % w|tt for 

arffar fait far qqr «tt ark 
fir *PT fatOT apr^W, 1971 3RT W 
far wt «tt i qrfa^R % qm p % 
qqro fa ?wt srifafa fa arwk 5ft «rw 
fa qfaqrarf if *tot qq fa fa 1 ro afar 
if wfnw fofa arfa % srw fa fawifa 
if srrarr q? qf aft 1 ot «f f if *mnw 
forfa iff faf % srre arrfaq arqfa qfarr % 
argnT qqronfa qafa q qqr ^ f* ap? 
araa «FT | I ro iffa if 33W q* 
snRfrOT qfaf if smfa 1 1 ifa 
fqffa faqfoj qfa wr it* fa *rnt for, 
«roq % feq qfar ir afa 
anfaf, qq fare* far anqr snffa § 1 

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3513. fa ron : «WT for 

qfa q? qarfa fa f qr qfot fa : 

(qr) qr stor if fa 1971-72 if 

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(*r) qfa^t, atfawT qr>r forr; 

(q) wqnrfawr <rcfafa srrrar *ft 

ijqqrq qRqTqror afa 

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TTfa 31 qfa, 1971 w awr «Rfa fa ? 

for fat («tt roroim w^nr) : 

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125 Written Answert 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 126 


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%r£q *RTT 7 sm fa<T qWR qpfi 4 ff 
SRTOT T^T 4443.71 qr<t? ^ *ft I 

anffq* jfaw, af ar gm *aa 

3514. «ft JTfT^r TPn : SPTT qjfea 
aftr w famaa mft a? aatf $qr 
q>T% fa : 

(*) aata af ft^qraq 
1971-72 Jr am aw aq Jf foaat aarTfa 
?a% fama, fmarc aar atari afe qr 
g=q qft a$; 

(a) ?a?teaqqqq 1971-72 Jr$a 
foaar amaa aatft am ar^r gq far; 
ak 

(q) aa 1971-72 Jr mr ?tea *rt 

ma ?f ? 

q<JeH aftq ajar famaa mat (mo ari 
fa?) : (a). 1971-72 % atma am ?ra 
qq Jf atfla aa qrrf fasarc a$ fq>m 
am 1 1 1971-72 % ahia aatara ar 
aim aqq 20.84 BWf^maftl 1972-73 
% flma a* maa* % faq faster 45 
aw aq^ if Sr mft aa> 7.91 «w aq*r 
mftr arri iff at 1 1 

(*) a fk (a), at 1971-72 % fcarr- 

sraf q5f at* £ t^T $ 1 1971-72 % *kra 


araf*aa faafta qftma *a swrc ? : 

fama — 259.31 aw amt 

srmafaar am ma «aa 
( 2.30 ?*w aqt % 
tiTaqJfs fata 

fosra af?a ) —238. 1 5 aw aqt 

qrrJrgaara —21.16 awaqt 


Selling of Gold in Bombay 

3515. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been selling of gold 
in Bombay during the last month ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; 

(c) whether as a result thereof, prices of 
bullion came down considerably ; and 

(d) whether such buying and selling 
had any adverse effect on the country’s 
economy ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) to (c). 
The price of gold in the Bombay bullion 
market increased steeply in May 1972 and 
during the first week of June 1972 mainly as 
a sequel to the rise in the free market price 
of gold abroad and also partly due to the 
usual increase in domestic demand during the 
marriage season. Thereafter the price tended 
to decline partly as a result of higher inflow 
from up-country markets and partly due to a 
fall in the free market price abroad. During 
July 1972 the {)rice moved in the range of 
Rs. 230.5 and Rs. 235.5 per 10 gms. and the 
range of observed fluctuation in prices in that 
month was lower than that observed in June, 
1972, 

(d) The obsered fluctuations in gold prices 
do not appear to have had any noticeable 
adverse effect on the country's economy. 

Illegal remittances by Indians living 
in Britain 

3516. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether attention of Government has 



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been drawn to a report in the ‘Indian 
Express* on the 7th June, 1972 under the 
heading “Plan to channelise sneak Pound 1 * ; 

(b) whether any estimate has been made 
by Government as to the amount which comes 
to the country v through illegal channels and 
consequential loss in foreign exchange being 
sustained by the country ; 

(c) whether the Association of India 
expatriates in Britain has forwarded a scheme 
to Government under which the money would 
be transmitted to India only through legal 
channels if certain facilities are extended ; 

(d) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ; and 

(e) whether a copy of the scheme would 
be laid on the Table of the House ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) By the very nature of the problem it 
is difficult to arrive at any estimate of the loss 
sustained by the country on account of illegal 
transactions. 

(c) No proposal of the type referred to in 
the press report has been received in the 
Finance Ministry. 

(d) and (e) Do not arise. 


Loss suffered by Indian Airlines due to 
Operation of HS-748 (AVRO) Aircraft 

3517. SHRI P. K. DEO : 

SHRI FATESINGKRAO 
GAEKWAD : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the ‘Indian 
Express’ dated the 8th June, 1972, under the 
caption “Heavy loss by Indian Airlines on 
AVRO” ; 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ; and 

(e) the amount ofjosses sustained bv the 


Indian Airlines on HS-748 during the last 
two years and how these losses are likely to 
be made up ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) and (b). Yes, Sir, It is correct that due 
to increasing direct and indirect costs of 
operation, the profitability of the HS-748 has 
been adversely affected. This aircraft is manu- 
factured in India and it is in the over all 
national interest to make full use of it. 

(c) The pattern of operations of Indian 
Airlines cannot be viewed only in the context 
of profitability, as many routes have to be 
operated as an essential service for the travel- 
ling public. The HS-748s are being used 
mainly on regional routes which usually incur 
a loss, irrespective of the type of aircraft. 

Impact of Nationalisation of National Iranian 

Oil Company by Iran on the supply of 
Crude to India 

3518. SHRI P. K. DEO : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether supply of crude to India is 
likely to be affected in any way as a result 
of the nationalisation of the National Iranian 
Oil Company by Iran ; 

(b) if so, to what extent ; and 

(c) whether India is likely to save foreign 
exchange consequent upon the nationalisation 
of the Iranian Oil Company and if so, to what 
extent ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a). The 
National Iranian Oil Company is in the 
public sector in Iran. Therefore the question 
of its nationalisation does not arise. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Recommendations made by Central Excise 
Reorganisation Committee 

3519. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Wilt the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Excise Reorga- 
nisation Committee in its renort had 



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BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 130 


mended Cadre composition and defined 
functions of Executive and Ministerial cadres 
separately ; 

(b) whether all these recommendations 
have been fully implemented ; 

(c) if so, a brief account thereof and 

(d) if not, the reasons for not talcing 
action so far ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) to (d). Yes, Sir. A state- 
ment containing the information is placed on 
the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. 
See No. LT-3505/72] 


Posting of Administrative Officers in Divisional 
Offices of Central Excise Department 

3520. SHRI DALIP SINGH: Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the AIMndia Central Excise 
and Customs Ministerial Federation was 
assured by Government that the posts of 
Superintendent Administration will be given 
to Administrative Officer* of Ministerial ranks 
m all the Divisional offices in the Central 
Excise Department ; 

(b) whether this assurance has been ful- 
filled ; and 

(c) if not, the time likely to be taken to 
fulfil the assurance ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R. 
GANESH) ; (a) No such assurance was given. 
All the posts of Superintendent (Administra- 
tion) have been designated as Administrative 
Officers and 75% thereof are earmarked for 
Ministerial Officers. The remaining 25% are 
filled up by executive officers. 

(b) and (c). Question does not arise. 

Composition of Audit Parties in Central 
Excise Department 

3521. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 


(a) the composition of audit parties in 
the Central Excise Department ; 

(b) whether the recommendations of the 
Central Excise Reorganisation Committee were 
taken into account while deciding the com- 
position of Audit parties ; 

(c) whether uniformed Executive Offi- 
cers who are also Assessing Officers are asso- 
ciated with the audit, and if so, the reasons 
therefor ; 

(d) how the independence and impar- 
tiality of audit is ensured ; and 

(e) whether the Comptroller and Auditor 
General of India has been consulted while 
reorganising the Internal Audit formations of 
the Central Excise Department ; and if not, 
the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) Audit parties in the Cent- 

ral Excise Department comprise of the Exa- 
miners of Accounts, Inspectors of Central 
Excise (O G) and (S.G) and Ministerial 
stair viz Head Clerks, Upper Division 
Clerks and Lower Division Clerks. 50% of 
the posts of Examiners of Accounts are filled 
Superintendents of Central Excise, Class II, 
and the remaining 50% by the promotion of 
Ministerial Officers. The number and compo- 
sition of the parties differ from Collectorate 
as per requirements of each Collectorate. 

(b) The Committee did not make any 
specific recommendation regarding composi- 
tion of audit parties. However, their recom- 
mendation for proper arrangements for audit 
of transactions of the Central Excise Depart- 
ment was taken into account while reorganising 
internal audit parties in 1966, 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

The Executive Officers are associated with 
this work as the audit of assessment of excisable 
commodities is quite complicated and requires 
a thorough knowledge of the tariff as well as a 
specialised knowledge of the procedure and 
field formations. However, 50% of the Gaze- 
tted posts of Examiners of Accounts have been 
given to the Ministerial staff and besides this 
other Ministerial staff viz* Head Clerks, Upper 



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AUGUST 25, 1972 


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Division Clerks etc. a it also associated with 
audit parties. 

(d) The audit parties have been placed 
exclusively under the control of Assistant 
Collectors who are required to work directly 
under the supervision of the Collectors. The 
Collectors of Central Excise have been made 
personally resposible for effective functioning 
of audit and they have been instructed to per- 
sonally look into audit paragraphs and the 
defects pointed out by internal audit parties 
and take prompt and suitable remedial measu- 
res. Futher, only qualified and experienced 
staff having a flair for audit work are selected 
to man the audit parties. These measures go 
along way in achieving independence and 
impartiality of audit. 

(e) No, Sir. 

The Comptroller and Auditor General was 
not consulted as the internal audit parties are 
basically intended to serve departmental inter- 
nal machinery. He is, however, aware of the 
working of these parties. The Comptroller 
and Auditor General conducts audit indepen- 
dent of audit parties functioning under Acco- 
untants General. 

Import of less Crude by Foreign oil Com- 
panies and its effect on Production 

3522. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) how much less crude has been impor- 
ted by the foreign oil Companies in India 
following the decision of Government not to 
accept their demand for an increased price for 
imported crude ; and % 

(b) how it has affected the working of 
the Refineries and the production ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) As a 
result of the Government having not accepted 
the price increases claimed by the three foreign 
oil companies, the three foreign oil companies 
together would be importing an estimated 
637,000 tonnes less crude oil during the year 
1972. 

(b) The three refineries of the foreign 


oil companies would be operating at lower 
levels of crude throughputs compared to their 
normal levels, as given below 


Refinery 

Normal operating 

level in million tonnes 
per annum of crude 
run. 

Crude run for 
1972 in million 
tonnes per 

annum 

Burmah- 

3.75 

3.460 

Shell 



ESSO 

2.75 

2.486 

CORIL 

1.25 

1.137 


There will be a corresponding reduction in the 
production of oil poducts. This is being 
made good by imports. 

Modern methods employed for Identification 
of bodies in the event of Air Acciden ts 

3523. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) how many bodies of the victims of the 
recent Japan Airlines Plane crash near Delhi 
had been identified and how many remained 
unidentified ; 

(b) whether any modern forensic methods 
were employed for identification purposes ; 

(c) if so, the names of the forensic 
experts concerned ; and 

(d) whether Government maintains any 
panel of forensic experts in odontology and 
other sciences to assist in identification work 
in the event of air accidents 7 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) The bodies of 58 of the 86 killed were 
identified. 

(b) While every effort was made to iden- 
tify the remaining bodies, their condition 
was such that forensic experts were not called 
in. 

(c) Does not arise. 

(d) No, Sir. 



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Extension of Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur oil 
pIpeHm upto the West Coast 

3524. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any project in hand 
to extend the Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur oil pipe- 
line upto the West Coast and if so, the Broad 
outlines thereof ; and 

(b) whether such a project was kept in 
mind while selecting Mathura in U.P. as the 
site for an oil refinery in North India ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H.R. GOKHALE) : (a) and (b). 
No. Sir. The proposed pipeline fromuhe Gulf 
of Kutch to Mathura is required to carry im- 
ported crude for processing in the refinery at 
Mathura. Baraum-Kanpur section of the 
Haldia-Barauni-Kanpur pipeline is a product 
pipeline for carrying the products of Barauni 
refinery to the consuming centres. 

Class I and Class II Officers in Income Tax 
Department 

3525. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) the total number of Class I and 
Class II Income-tax Officers as on 3 1st March 
each year from 1970 to 1972 ; 

(b) the number of such Officers who have 
completed two years, five years and ten years 
of service respectively as on 1st August, 1972 ; 
and 

(c) the number of Law and Accountancy 
Degree Holders, Double Graduates and 
Master’s Degree holders in both classes of 
Officers as on 1st August, 1972 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K-R. 
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The information is 

being collected and will be placed on the 
Table of the House. 

Scheme for assessment of Income-Tax 
payable by small income group 

3526. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) When the Income-tax Department 


introduced the scheme for small income group 
assessment without examination of accounts ; 

(b) The definition of small income group 
for the above purpose and whether this defi- 
nition has changed from time to time ; and 

(c) The number of assessments completed 
under the scheme in the financial year 1971-72 
without examination of accounts in the in- 
come ranges of Rs. 15,000/-to Rs. 25,000/ and 
Rs. 25,001 /-to Rs. 50,000/-? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K.R. 
GANESH) : (a) A scheme for expeditious 

disposal of small income cases was initiated 
in January, 1964 by executive instructions. 
Later in the light of experience gained, it was 
considered proper to give the matter statutory 
form and Section 143 (1) of the Income-tax 
Act, 1961 wafc accordingly amended with effect 
form 1 .4.1971, to introduce a comprehensive 
scheme commonly known as the 'summary 
assessment scheme’. 

(b) The earlier small income assessment 
scheme was ouilined in 1964 and further ela- 
borated in 1967. This scheme covered the 
types of cases mentioned m the attached 
statement ‘A’ to this reply. 

As regards the current ‘summary assess- 
ment scheme* the Central Board of Direct 
Taxes have issued instructions * that it may 
cover cases except those detailed in the atta- 
ched statement ‘B* to this reply. 

(c) The small income assessment scheme 
was supeiseded from 1.4.1971 by the summary 
assessment scheme. 23,11.638 assessments 
were completed under the 'summary assess- 
ment scheme’ during the financial year 1971- 
72. Analysed information regarding the 
number of summary assessments completed 
during the financial year 1971-72, without 
examination of accounts, for the income 
ranges of Rs. 15,000/ to R9. 25,000 
and Rs. 25,001/to Rs.50,000 / is not avila- 
ble and its collection would involve considera- 
ble time. 

Statement ■ A 9 

Cases covered by " small income assess - 
ment scheme" 

(i) Cases with returned income of 
Rs. 10,000/- or below (Rs. 15,000/- 



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Written Answers 136 


or below for the cities of Bombay 
and Calcutta). Where, however, 
there were more than one assess- 
ments pending in a case and returned 
income for any one of these years 
exceeded Rs. 10,000/15000/- as the 
case may be, the case went out of the 
purview of the scheme. 

(ii) New cases discovered on survey not 
involving investment in property and 
falling in the following categories : — 

(a) The estimate of income made 
by the Income-tax Inspector 
was less than Rs. 12,500 /- ; and 

(b) The total capital employed in- 
cluding boi rowed capital did 
not exceed Rs. 20,000/-. 

(iii) Cases of registered firms with four 
or more partners where the total 
returned income for the year was 
Rs. 20,000 or less and the last asse- 
ssed income did not exceed Rs. 20,000 
and in none of the pending assess- 
ments the returned income exceeded 
Rs. 50,000/-. 

(iv) Partners cases where the total income 
returned was less than Rs. 10,000/- 
(Rs. 15,000/- for the cities of Bombay 
and Calcutta). 

(v) All Government salary cases irres- 
pective of the income returned/assess- 
ed in the past. 

(vi) All non-government salary cases 
with incomes below Rs, 18,000/-. 

The scheme did not aptyy to the following 


types of 

cases. 

(1) 

All Company cases. 

(2) 

Returns showing losses. 

(3) 

Cases of voluntary returns filed 
by ladies and minors. 

(4) 

Voluntary returns filed in cases 
other than at (3) above in so 
far as the first year of assess- 
ment was concerned. 


(5) Cases involving specific allega- 
tions of tax evasion or in which 
the tax evasion was suspected 
as per the information of the 
Assessing Officer. 

Statement 'B 9 

Cases may be covered by the “summary 

assessment scheme" except the folio wing 

O') All company cases excepting in the 
city charges of Bombay, Madras, 
Gujarat, Delhi and Calcutta where 
the Commissioners of income-tax 
may in their discretion exclude such 
company cases as they deem fit. 

(ii) All category I— assessments, excepting 
in the city charges of Bombay and 
Calcutta where only Category I 
cases with returned/assessed income 
of Rs. 50,000/- and above in either 
the current year or in any one of 
the last two years. For the other 
charges, however, the Commissioners 
have been authorised to prescribe a 
limit involving Category 1 cases 
with returned/assessed income of 
Rs. 25,000/- to Rs. 50,000/-: the 
specific limit may be placed anywhere 
between this indicated bracket. 

( 111 ) All cases irrespective of their cate- 
gories which involve a loss in busi- 

' ness of Rs. 10,000/- or above even 
if the total income after set off of 
such loss against income under other 
heads is a positive figure. 

(iv) First year’s assessment in cases (in- 
cluding direct refund cases) involving 
income (from sources other than the 
salaries) over Rs. 2,000/- except 
where there is information that in- 
vestment of over Rs. 25,000/- is 
involved. 

(v) Cases which form part of a group of 
cases in which detailed investigations 
for detecting tax evasion are consi- 
dered necessary for any reason. 

(vi) Cases in which specific allega- 
tions/information had been received 
regarding (a) tax evasion involving 
concealed income of over Rs* 25,000/- 



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and (b) fresh investments in immov- 
vaWe properties shares, securities, 
deposits, etc. over Rs. 25,000/- and 
which on preliminary enquiries appear 
to be prima facie correct. 

(vii) All cases which have been reopened 
under Section 147 for purpose of 
reassessment. 

(viii) AH cases of trusts. 

(ix) Cases in which assessees have claimed 
amortisation expenses under Section 
35D and 35G of Income-tax Act, 
1961 and/or deduction in respect of 
profits and gains from newly establi- 
shed undertakings or ships or hotel 
business in certain cases under 
Section 80J. 

(x) Cases where the value of capital 
assets sold m a year exceeds Rs. 
50,000/-. 

(xi) Salary cases in which there is a 
difference of Rs. 1000/- or above 
between the value of perquisites 
shown in an assessee’s return of 
income for any year and that deter- 
mined by the Assessing Officer for 
earlier year. 

sitro fom aft 

3527 aft am tow fa? : tot for 

aftrt n? toft ¥t f'tt *T*t ft; : 

(*) 3ftTO faTO «ft 

(w) to wil *r sftTO aftm 
faro % ftfaro sttot % frofa tot 
tot to to font ■jrft ? 

. for TOrt (aft JWITOfTW TO^Rt) : 
(*P) TO3TO ^ RTTO % 5ftTO ftw 
four aft, aftTO ftm for* arfafro* 1956 
srm 5 % arpn tot * to % 
<lt* TOct? T'tfr *t TTO ft «ft I 


(*): 

to tot! aft tori wrm itto 

1969-70 (W) 


TOT 

RPTT«T TOT 

16,67,497 

9,54,439 

1,15,40,411 

5,04,07,820 

3ft? 

26,21,936 

6,19,48,231 


TO TOft ft RTOT 

tSTRTT W 

1970-71 


(«<ft) 

aft3ft|t TOT 

1,92,223 

1,65,20,698 

• 

RPTTO TOT 

14,98,490 

3,80,52,344 

3ft? 

16,90,713 

5,45,73,042 

1971-72 



TOsrt^t wto 

2,57,604 

1,57,69,763 


33,77,867 

6,21,63,568 

3ft? 

26,35,371 

7,79,33,331 


qrfoapft ftsrnft st^t mrftar 

*ftro TO TOWTO 


3528. aft TOR TOTM fa? : TOT TWT 
jftft *1! TOT*! ¥1 FTT TT^t ft: TOI ftTTOT 
TOjftct % ’ *1? «nf«RTOft %Hraft gTTT 
TTRcfft TffaT ^ TO^ai^ TO?T *ffapTTft ^ 
<ft$ TO?T afft | ? 

WTT TOrft (aft TOlftTO TTR) ; 2 
3TTOf 1972, TOftf ftPTOT TOSffo TO 
gtr aftr 18 toto 1972 % ft«r, 
??rft Tfoft Tft*TT3ff TO 'irftTOTft faTT 

aro 5 sk ftft tot ftirr 

ft 16 ftft-ftft TOTO* | I 



139 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25. 1972 


Written Answers 140 


WfJ VT jpKTOTT 

3529. «ft ifar? WfW fmj : 
aft fw? aftmft . 

am fim ftsft mnft aft fTT a^ft 
fa : 

(v) WI % 715 faft aft 

arrmsmen a§<r ns af ft afh: a r g ar rcm - 
fttmn a? af ft; aft? 

(«r) nfa ft, at nraa? sn nw?aJr 
am anqmftt ar? ?ft I ? 

fan nmnn ft ?mn aart (*ft fto 
amcoimwj : (a?) aft? (n). nfa aaft 
ft aft n'«m ft nTariq nfaft | aft? nnr 
?Tfanf nsift aft? am <pp nftfaa naf aft 
apa f ft aft fear Jr 3 msr amr fam | ?n 
faq sp^TT ffa aft ftar fa aaft aft 
aansrnm mt a? af 1 1 far at, n?aa? 
maft I fa 7 TC?taf*T #aft gTTT aft mft 
afat ftmarf Jr gsn? aft ftnwar f anr 

n?a>T? ?T JT| ^ 5RR ?^T | fa 
aftntfaar arrfa aft aft?: arfftar a ? tett fta;? 
aft?: ?reftnirn aaft % atfarf?qft aft?: 
mroaft % afta ft^a? man* nmfqa a;?% 
*nft afaar 591?: mm nrq 1 

amn %w ffTTT qrfafamt gsrnfanft 
q? arn aft m ?$ ?rfa an fjran am 

3530. «ft riar? amn fa^ : 

«ft ntn?t : 

am Twnraft n§ amft aft fm a??ft 
fa: 

(ar) am fam far n?aa? ft mar 
gnafwff it m?a sm faft m ?| na 
an fw f^?rr ftm satan? fam |j aft?; 

(«) nfa at an nmftft aft gw 
awfamt ? 


TOT ft*t (aft amarfan am) :(a?) aft? 
(«) rnfaeiftt paffanf a? ft ?f »w % 
afwTft % srcn a? aram ftar aft? m?n % 
ftn arft fw w\f fanr?-fft?Rr gan ^ 1 

fir^R ft ftftawi? ?aftfft?rft aft ft£w 
qaftnm ftn aft rfaftwt i*n 

3531. aft afar ama : 
aft fan? aftnft : 

aarr ftsftfiwM aft? ?nwn ftft «r? n?nft 
aft far a:?ft fa fft^r? % ftft fafrft ft?ftann? 
?aftOm | fa;ffft ftjfa qwft ?wt nn «ft 
qftfarqft % faq ariftqfr-’w faq f aft? ^?Jf 
ft ftft fa?rft wfanft aft qftfowf ft ?rf | ? 

fafa aft? ana H?n ft^tfann aft? ?nnw 
naft («ft qno arRo aftnrs) : arftfa?r 
nnar qa.^ aft arr ?|t | aft? a? 

x® ft arrqft 1 

?fw?w qnT xsvpxf aft qa» wiala 
gfan qffnt arm nwt aft 
f ft % mn a? nftgwft 

3532. aft <F5aarw wft : aar qf?n 
aft? am? fanrnn aft a? mrrft aft fqr 
q;?ft fa : 

(a:) am iP^m qmwm (rpft?) 
% qfaqqt aft^ % marmw ^q-qmaqp ft 
qq^rsm ^t qar ^rrftq |faq q^'nt % 
fass sint qft wz ftft % mq q? aftarwft 
ar?ft % anft Jf 5 fan Jt f?qfcr an a??rf 

(n) nmft % q«r am f ; aft? 

(q) ?n nw?sr ft nrarr? ft aw nar 
am ana mft aft f ? 

qfam aft? am? fmnawaftft (m® a^ 
fa?) : (a?) ?fawa qa?sw?n % nwr 
arfaamtaft (ftfan ff^ar) ft awft arft- 



141 Written Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 142 


qrfprf % fares, fare tt arqtBftta irfafftfaftf 
arr arreta ftr, TOiftta gfarcr if qa; forarprer 
qsftarearlftt i 

(«r) ffalPT qJTTWTF^ % % 

sfefcr srTfsr^rfTiff aft qa? ar?ft ft ftrarmcr 
srrc<r gf far *rafa rraft q4'e ft sreft % 
ftqaft gar aft man % faq fap-^nn ftare 
fewz after «tt, sft ang fan far aqai 
farTreT, 3r*rf?r fftmfazft % faq ftmaraft 
farenrr sfeire q*R<*RRr aft fain arm 
*ti i aTOf «ff s % aifafroar gq-snpsrar ft 
WJjft aft BRsffa aft I afT qisft ft flRTT 
3ftT STfaftaff 4ft ft 0H?ffa aft fSRTft 
3TR>T star SRifoRT fan I q4?ft % qrrft- 
ar^a aft ajfa areft % faq qqr ftuHRftsTT 
zv aft *ft ftsrr tot «n i saaft arfaa 

faqftj Jr q4>ft ?!TI SPTaTft »rft W 
<Rftaft an 3c%ar farai urn 1 1 

(q) sfrroa qirewr^Tr qar fa?gg 
^rra are 1 1 %h afta qiRarRrer ft ? g 
qq? % nrq amr a>RfaR ?RTTCrr 4R fczTT 

ii 

if atffror ffttft «r annare 
arrfaqfa«T 

3533. aft W43TO qqf : aqrfarTftgft 
26 1972 % a^TRtfaw STO OTI 7539 

% ^R % B«RT if q§ *gift aft fRT 4Rft 
far: 

(ar) ?njfr?R ark ar-sarar! if ft ftfftir 
fft?ft <r amr-are fasrfcq % am trot t 
arafa ft ftftf ??4teif anft are Tft f tWi 
4a ft ftfftq foft are ans-are fa t tf roi 
h areft % w arR*? | g*rr 3* fftafi % am 
wt|; afk 

(at) ft ft ftfaq fasft fanm smr- 
4R Prartt«r # Pftt *wr %\ mq-TT 
faqt^i w jt? fwr 5rrq«n ? 


fim K?rm if tr*t wff («P %o 
a?Ro *pNr) : (v) %ffa. (sr). 

qfRfarcr ft aftr^HH ^wt^rq 
(srio) fao ft, ?> ftfeq faaff vr qR 
faaf^r^m: anj^RR affa ^a^rr ir f«pzrr 
qqr |, qqffa vrapair ¥* RiTqf 

i 

3rt it ftfanr faw 4^ 5®s^p3r, 

4^4 ?rfa5T aim* qo^ f^taa rt-Tlfiair 
fa?IT % | I BT*Rf if 4!T-fagh% ^T% 
fa^?ff % sfaf ft arRT-qfcrm |faff 
arrqit i 

ffe?T3mi ffnnT aRT anrR^hff 
% faq a?nf *t$ af 4 ^rt 

3534. «ft TORT?* wf WT fa^T qgft 
awfa irt aiTif faf ; 

(a?) am^ja^arrq; ^in% qq; 
ni jftarqr aarf | fa*r% aRrqer #«f % ^4- 
^ifaaf ?ttt qf qqqqr^ if fawtsr 
arafa arirr^tif q?t arfafatF aqrar 
qfqr; afk 

(>a) afa ^t, 4f Hi Hfani aft ^t-^tt 
wi|? 

fim Ransu if naq-aiaft (aft %«> anro 
q%) : (ar) aftr (^). ^tt q*q qft 
arr ^ | afa'qm-'re^ <r it ^iq»ft i 

TRof ?rt mqfaven % an«m «r 
qwj4 4faqft aft ajf*r apr anarsq 

3535. «ftqnjrnr arffr^R : aqrwf 
44t qf ?<nft aft ?Rr a;f ft far tot ftm ft 
aftf rraq | fanrft fcT^ft 4fa^f aft srrq- 
ffta>BT % anqR <r ijfa % arift^r % q*q?sr 
if aft! ajrftqr^ ^ t aftr qfa ?t, ?ft 
%H <R HTTOT Tf TOT Slfafw I ? 



143 Written Answer? 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 144 


T«T («ft 4PW&CT TP?) : TT^T 
4TT45irf sm 3n^-an% qrmf/farff % 
anfrr ^f*r «ft miz* ftar siraT i sttjt 
fcqrcr ^?rr% ar^rc, 

fafacT TTUIT 4?t »>4*f f3R% *r 5T5W 
g^TT ;r$r $, Trstr 1355 # 

qit vrfa mitt % ffrii font * fast 

*7 ^ fTJTRcr ^ T| | I *rm% «TT TT3JJ 

it H*nr-*rair <rc fa^rc-Pprtf fa^T 
wmr | mfa flfaqfi 3ffw 

% arfsrsp ^ qg% i 

$t?t % 53 if stt^t jf mft qrr 

aftT *rrcn 

3536. «ft snvnq 3jf^TT : WT TflT 
JT^rt qg *nn% frr fa % mfi- 

«TT 4 T 55 ir STRffa SfaT JTCT focTft aftr fafl- 
fatf fo*q sft 55 HT*Tlft Iptf ^ it ft 
nf ? 

Twr*F5ft («rl[3PnfoPT tto) : ^ 

5 ^tt q?t str: q^ffT sft f^ ir q$lr gVr i 

Proposal to start Air Service between Ludhiana 
and New. Delhi 

3537. SHRI B. S BHAURA : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI- 
ATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to start 
air service between Ludhiana and New Delhi ; 
and 

(b) if so, when the new service is expected 
to start ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR, KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) Indian Airlines are not considering any 
such proposal, 

(b) Does not arise. 

Proposal to construct an Airport at Bhatinda, 
Punjab 

3538. SHRI B. $ BHAURA : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIA- 


TION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to cons- 
truct an airport at Bhatinda (Punjab) ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Acquisition of Land for Cantonment at Bhatinda 
(Punjab) and compensation paid to Land- 
Owners 

3539. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether land has been acquired for 
cantonment at Bhatinda, Punjab ; 

(b) if so, the total land acquired and the 
rate of compensation paid to the land 
owners ; and 

(c) whether some land owners have not 
yet received compensation for their land and 
if so, the reasons for the delay ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 


Credit from World Bank for Agricultural 
Schemes 

3540. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the 
Ministef of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some State Governments have 
complained that the terms of World Bank 
Credit for agricultural development and the 
financial discipline attached to such credit are 
not suitable to India's conditions ; 

(b) if so, whether the Centre has taken up 
this issue with the World Bank ; and 

(c) if so, the results thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) * GO Some 



14 $ Written Answers 


BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 146 


State Goverments have suggested a few modi- 
fications in the lending terms applicable to 
credit projects assisted by the World Bank. 

(b) Yes Sir. 

(c) The World Bank has accepted some 
suggestions and others are under discussion. 

Quantity of recoverable Oil Deposits 

3541. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state the total quantity 
of recoverable oil deposits in the' oil fields in 
India ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R GOKHALE) : As on 
1-1-72, the total estimated' quantity of reco- 
verable oil deposits in the oil field in India 
was about 1 14*3 million tonnes 

Payment of expenditure incurred on Pnk 
P.O.Ws to India by Pakistan 

3542. SHRI G. Y. KRISIINAN : 

SHRI K SURYANARAYANA : 

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 
to state whether the expenditure incuired 
by India on Pakistani Prisoners of War 
will be paid by Pakistan after their return 
as envisaged under the Geneva Pact ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : Under the Geneva Con- 
ventions, maintenance and medical facilities 
have to be provided free of charge. However, 
monthly advance of pay given to the mili- 
tary and para-military personnel can form 
part of arrangements that may be arrived 
at between the parties, after the conflict. 
This matter will be taken up when the 
repatriation of Prisoners of War is discussed. 

Information from I.C.R C about missing per- 
sonnel 

3543. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state whether Government have received any 
information from the International Committee 
of Red Cross regarding the lists of 1 006 
Military and Para-Military missing personnel 


which were sent to that Committee for veri- 
fication with the help of Pakiataqi authorities ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : Out of total of 1,006 per- 
sonnel, lists of 638, held as Prisoners of War, 
were received through the International Commi- 
ttee of Red Cross Thus, only the balance 
have to be treated as missing. The International 
Committee of Red Cross had been requested 
to ascertain the position of the missing 
personnel but they have not been able to 
collect and send any information so far. 

Increase in Bank Deposits 

3544 SHRI G Y. KRISHNAN : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 
the region-wise increase in the deposits of 
Nationalised Banks during the last two and 
a half years ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SU§H1LA ROHATG1) : The region-wise in- 
crease in deposits of Nationalised Banks 
during the period September, 1972 is set 
out in the Statement laid on the Table of 
the House. [ Placed in Library , See No. 
LT-3506/72] 

Amount found missing from the Civil Lines 
Brunch of the State Bank of India, 

Jabalpur 

3545. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will the 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether a bundle of Rs 10,000 was 
found missing from the Civil Lines Branch 
Office of the State Bank of India, Jabalpur 
recently ; and 

(b) if so, whether any clue in this regard 
has so far been found ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R 
GANESH) : The State Bank of India havcP 
reported that one bundle of Rs. 10 deno- 
mination currency notes valued at Rs. 
10,000/- was found missing from the Tellers 
counter at the Civil Branch of State Bank 
of India at Jabalpur on the 28th July, 
1972. 



147 Written Answers AUGUST 25, 1972 Written Answer* 148 


(b) The case h*l been reported to the 
police who are still itftattigating the matter. 

Agreement with Japan for extension of term of 

Ninth Yen Loan from that Country 

3546. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Japan and India have 
agreed to extend the term of Japan's Ninth 
Yen Loan to India ; and 

(b) if so, the salient features of ag- 
reement ? 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAV AN) : (a) and (b). 
The Ninth Yen Credit Agreement stipulated 
the terminal date of the Loan as 31st 
July 1972. Since shipments and disburse- 
ments under two contracts notified under 
the Credit were not expected to be comp- 
leted by the above date, a Modification 
Loan Agreement has been signed between 
India and Japan on July 29, 1972 extending 
the terminal date in respect of the contracts. 

Of these contracts, one relates to import 
of power tiller packs by the Projects & 
Equipment Corporation of India Ltd. and 
the other to the import of machinery and 
equipment for M/s. HMT, Bangalore for 
expansion of the watch factory at Bangalore 
and setting up of a watch factory in 
Kashmir. The terminal dates for disburse- 
ment for these contracts have been extended 
upto the 31st December, 1972 and the 31st 
December, 1973, respectively. 

TWjtafTf Wf if TOT % TOW TO 

Wt TO&-WT& if ITWT TOT 

3547. aft fro aftarct : to fro ,*raft 

45 to* qft to q>t»t fa : 

(qr) to 3 Treftora fq?f *f 
tot % fa?# to% gq to frot 
if qpiff qftarsfc-qnft if mr to sfa 
stot qft to ft froft gift 3TOt 
«?#; aftr 


(w) TO TORT ft TTTOIT 37 TT TO 
q?t ifftt | ? 

fro ftarwq if tiro waft (aft ftr« Too 

wfat) : (qr) ark (w). 

qrt wr Tgt 1 to-tot <rc to ft 

Bn*r*fY 1 

TOIT TORft 3rfrof?r TO<ft WT 

from h q*ft % tow 

3548. fro aftwft : to fira weft 
arurqrT wTOsrt arfrwfa towIt % srrt if u 
3PTRT, 1972 % TOTTfer 5HFT WTO 1834 
% % wrosr ft wf TOft qrt to qr^r 

far : wnm % arfawfa wrowf qrr 
from w qrr wqrft % to qrRW | ? 

firw fterraw ft ?rnj weft («ft %o too 
www) arm^rr ftafawf % wfawfa to! 
*R TO-4>T faTO WIT ?fe w TgT I ark 
arfirfiw anr^f qrt to qrrt % farc; towr 
tow fart arr i to wth% Jr aft sracw 
fart ipr I, 3^1 1 1 anrer, 1972 % aftqr- 
to if atwreffarw sm w<> 1834 % srtt ft 
WTOT TO t I 

2. fTOT if TO-q^ PmfTO ftarfauffa 

imr^t qrt wst wto if qrt Tgt qrT 567 
TOW wg m fa cTcqrnftw Jrcfro qrrafirfir 
% anjwrc farww BrwftJT to arfftqrm 
inwf if ^TOf qr*% qrT-firefTwt % #554 
qrt farTOft % fan* arntqrr arfgqrrftifi qt 
WTO qqfar W^f ft I TO% TO TO TOrfarfif 
qt 1 amw, 1971 ir wftfftw qrr qrq firm 
to (, errfar arrqqrT arfsrqrift, Trwrfisfr qrr- 
fargffafaiff arroq^t-^ 

arrfa qrr^ ¥t anirroroT % fam, <pt 
to % wrot if qrrfir«rk«ff «Ft qft tot 
if tffaro it tftfTm it faro tp? i 

3. &Tt far 11 amro, 1972 qrt ®>P- 
TO if TORtfTO TO tfo 1834 %?fawfaRT 



149 Written Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 150 


ct? if tffta ftwr wt$, ftfam aR-fftafro 
^ftfafa am fag ag ma aqnff % aawr 
1971-72 *r ma-aR fftsfrof ft fftqma if 
^ftmff anf % fsTTZH tit gw?TT if TTSf 
gmr $m | aik aR-fagfrof % 1971-72 
% are mr-sffaa to mwft aft awr 
1970-71 % are anr-sffqcr mmft aft gagr 
if amft am 1 1 

fc^re if «nfca aft qfe info 
ftaff % ftwm m mare 

3549. aft fro atftart : am W^T ark 
am fam aa ftat af aarft aft irt aRft 

far: 

(ar) am fafre if qftaa aft efe ft 
ate ftref % fawa aRft aar rnffta? Far^raff 
aft a<z ftft if amft |g ga? sreara stor 
ft faaRmta | ; sfk 

(g) aft ft, at aaaft gw faftaara 

wt | ? 

aftaa ark area famaa ftat : (ar« 
are fftf) (a?) ark (w). fttftt *»krar- 
afft % akra fafRft akraar araftre- 
marer anfcftaa aa faana areft a>r mara 
% i ataam ft afraftfa afrea % ms-ma 
22 gare tjfft srfaa^r areft ft faft 13 mar 
aqft aft Rrfar at ar *jaft | am aft ft ttw 
stor 5ttt qjfar *pt fsatawr are fern 
arar 1 sa wa % fama % fag ga? mm 
c^rsf aan aft aiftftt i srearfaa ma 
gfamaf if mafar war marer if ga> 
■pftftfkn aa fraW afmfaa 1 1 

gw ifun am fftaa qawnm 
if firere areaft aft mff % 
foqmgatmmnft aamare 

’3550. aft fWT aftmft : 

aft «ftki ftf are : 

wt aftw afft am famaa wft af 

tilt tt (ti areft ft,* 


(a) wt arerreft gireffrem afk 
jfmra gw mar ft fama waaft aft 
mff ft fag mg atm at asrft % aft ft 
fwft mare ar faare Mr |; aik 

(a) aft ft, at srana w fw afftr 
wt | aik aaw arm ft wt fftafa 
fftm| ? 

amre aft? am famaa aat («• 
arefftf) : (ar) ark (ar). gw^ftam ft 
famaarearf aft mff % fag *gaaa mg 
26 aft am afmnaa aTg 35 aft | ftaft 
awrawaa maaf ft 37 aft aar ^t rfta 
at ar aaftt 1 1 ?ftaa garar^a ft aaaft 
1972 ft faaraaraaft % g® wt % fag 
famaa faar am fa^afefea mg fttmg 
faaffta aft at :- 

1-1-1972 art 28 aft; w?g arggfaa 
arfaat-aamfaat % awtaarat aft 5 aft, 
aar Fraft ata aat % akra mrraTT fama 
areaft % a^q ft faaaa arfttaaiTt ¥t frmr 
ft 3 aft aar aft ®a ftt m a%at i gafam^ 
arrft m ifoaaa gwmim ft famfefmr 
mg atarg fauffta ?t > 

1-1-1972 aft 30 aft; mpg arggfaa 
mfaaf-aramfaaf am tgaga tot ftmaf 
% afaaft aft 5 aft, am aa ata aaf % 
akra aaran: fama anwft ft mr ft fagaa 
awftaaRt aft fTaa ft 3 aft aa> aft fs at 
m aftftt i 

?a ma fttmsft aft aaaft w fttf 
sr^ara aift | 

Allocation of foreign exchange to students going 
abroad 

3551. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state the amount of money released by 
the Reserve Bank of India to students who 
proceeded to foreign countries for higher 
study during last two years, State-wise 7 



151 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers l$j 


THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YBSHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Data relating 
to higher studies are not maintained on a 
State-wise basis. A statement is laid on the 
Table of the House indicating the total 
number of permits issued and foreign ex- 
change released for the period from April, 
1970 to March, 19?2, country-wise. The 
Reserve Bank of India deals with individual 
applications subject to certain broad educa- 
tional criteria and the students who comply 
with these requirements are released foreign 
exchange. The policy relating to educational 
remittances is also suitably publicised by 
issue of Press Notes from time to time. In 
view of the general policy relating to educa- 
tional remittances, the efforts involved in 
collecting State-wise data will not b: commen- 
surate with the results to be achieved. 

Statement 

Foreign Exchange Permits issued and Exchange 
released for Study/Training Abroad 


For the Period April , 1970 to March , 
1971 


SI. No. Name of Total num- Total amount 
the ber of per- of exchange 

Country, mits issued, released 


(Rs. 000’s) 


1. 

2. 

3. 

4. 

1. 

U. K. & 
Europe. 

1196 

6710 

2. 

U. S. A. 

& Canada. 

3754 

100344 

3. 

Other 

countries. 

358 

2616 


Total : 

5308 

i 

109670 

For the Period April, 1971 to March, 
1972 

1. 

U. K. & 
Europe. 

1030 

5249 

2. 

U. S. A. 

& Canada. 

1834 

39030 

3. 

Other 

countries. 

267 

1414 


Total : 

3151 

45693 


Meeting of United Nations Economic Social 
Council 

3552. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRl : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

* 

(a) whether, at the recent meeting of the 
United Nations Economic and Social Council, 
a suggestion was made by Chile to evolve 
an international Code of Conduct to regulate 
the affairs of Companies whose activities 
spill over national frontiers and influence 
economic climates in countries othdr than their 
own ; and 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). At the 53rd session 
of the United Nations Economic and Social 
Council, Chile made a suggestion that the 
activities of multi-national boundaries, should 
be studied in such a way that eventually it 
should be possible to evolve a framework 
of regulations for such activities. A Reso- 
lution was adopted by the ECOSOC which 
suggested the setting up of a Study Group 
of experts to implement the suggestion made 
by Chi'e Such a Study Group could provide 
useful data on the issue posed by Chile. 

Recruitment in the Armed Forces and removal 
of Regional Imbalance and Sectarian names 

3553. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) total recruitment made for army, 
navy and air-force during the period 1969-71, 
State-wise ; 

(b) the number of officers recruited 
for training in army, navy and airforce. 
State-wise during the period ; 

(c) the names of recruitment centres for 
army, navy and air-force, including centres 
for officers training in three services ; 

(d) the reasons for regional imbalance 
in recruitment for defence forces and the 
steps taken by Government to remove it ; 
and 


(e) the steps taken for removal of regi- 



m Written Answers BHADRA 3, 1894 (SARA) Written Answers 154 


onal communal and other sectarian names 
of different army units ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (e). Required infor- 
is being collected and will be laid on the table 
of the House. 

Deteriorating Condition of Calcutta International 
and domestic Airports 

3554. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVI- 
ATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the West Bengal Finance 
Minister met him last month in connection 
with the deteriorating condition of Calcutta 
international and domestic airports and the 
Air India and Indian Airlines Services 
and the services of international airways ; 
and 

(b) if so, the points raised by the 
West Bengal Finance Minister in the meeting 
and Government's reaction thereto > 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) and (b). Shri Tarum Kanti Ghosh, Minis- 
ter for Commerce, Industiies and Tourism, 
Government of West Bengal met the 
Minister of Tourism and Civil Aviation in 
Delhi on 27th July 1972 and discussed 
with him matters concerning civil aviation 
and tourism including problems of Calcutta 
airport. Air-India at present operates two 
international flights per week through 
Calcutta West- bound and three per week 
East-bound. From 29th October 1972 there 
will t*e three frequencies per week through 
Calcutta both to the East and West. In 
addition, from 3rd November, 1972, Alr- 
India will introduce a new flight which 
will originate in Calcutta and terminate at 
London. The question of strengthening 
Indian Airlines services between Delhi and 
Calcutta is also under examination. 

Stage of construction and development of Petro- 
chemical Projects at Haldia Port in 
West Bengal 

3555. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS be pleased to state : 

(a) the stage of construction and deve- 
lopment of petro-chemical projects at Haldia 
port in West Bengal ; 


(b) when these projects are expected to 
be completed and to go into operation ; 
and 

(c) the estimated production capacities of 
these projects and their employment poten- 
tial ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- 
MICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : (a) to 

(c). There is no proposal ro set up a 
petro-chemical complex at Haldia in the 
Fourth Plan period. However, the Govern- 
ment approved in November 1971 the 
establishment of fertilizer project at Haldia 
by the Fertilizer Corporation of India, 
envisaging as annual production of 3,79,000 
tonnes of nitro-phosphate fertilizer, 1,65,000 
tonnes of Urea fertilizer, 60,000 tonnes of 
soda ash and 48,250 tonnes of methanol. 
The estimated cost of the project is about 
Rs 88 crores. Preliminary steps for imple- 
menting the project are in hand. These include 
inclusion of licence agreements with foreign 
parties for process know-how and contract 
for design engineering and supply of equip- 
ment and machinery. Land for the factory 
has been handed over to the Fertilizer Cor- 
poration of India by the State Government 
and tenders for boundary wall and tube 
wells have been issued. The project is 
expected to be completed by the middle of 
1975. The total manpower required is esti- 
mated at about 1400. 

Firing by Pakistan in Naya Chhor and killing 
of two Jawans 

3556. SHRI H. M. PATEL : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the attention of Government 
has been invited to a report in the 'Mother- 
land' of the 31st July 1972 standing that two 
Jawans were killed when the Pakistan 
troops opened fire on a group of Indian sol- 
diers in Naya Chhor on 29th Jully, 1972 ; 
and 

(b) if so, reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). Yes. Sir. The 
attention of the hon. Member is invited to 
the observations made by the Prime Minister in 
the House on 31st July 1972 on this point 
during the debate on the Simla Agreement* 



AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 155 


155 Written Amwe^ 

Time Schedule of p)dj|e^ flying from Calcutta 

3558. SHRI SARGJ MUKHERJEE : Will 
the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL 
AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether no time-schedule is maintained 
by the planes flying from Calcutta (Dum 
Dum) to Siliguri (Bagdogva) and back ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) what measures have been taken to 
see that the time-schedule of its flights on 
the aforesaid route is maintained, as circulated 
on the 15th June, 1972, by Indian Airlines ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) and (b). There have unfortunately been 
delays on this route due to engineering 
snags, bad weather etc. Since the same 
aircraft operates a number of services, 
a delay in one sector often leads to con- 
sequential delays all along the line. 

(c) Indian Airlines is making concerted 
efforts improve the position by keeping a 
close watch on reasons for delay and taking 
remedial measures wherever possible. 

Inconvenience caused to passengers destined for 
Darjeeling and Nepal due to Non-observance 

of Time-Table of flights from Dum Dum 
to Bagdogra 

3559. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleaced to state : 

(a) whether as a result of not keeping the 
time-schedules for the flights from Dum Dum 
to Bagdogra according to the latest time- 
table dated the 15th June. Il972, the passen- 
gers destined for Darjeeling, Nepal and other 
places are put to a great inconvenience ; 

(b) whether any complain's have been re- 
ceived in this regard ; and 

(c) if so. the action taken thereon ? 

THE M1N1STBR OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) to (c). Passengers have been inconvenien- 
ced on this sector due to delays resulting 


from engineering snags, adverse weather etc. 
Some complaints were received by Indian 
Airlines which is making concerted efforts to 
remedy the position by keeping a dose 
watch on reasons for delay and taking reme- 
dial action wherever possible. 

Working of Monopolies Commission 

3560. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
inquired into the woricing of the Monopolies 
Commission since its inception ; 

(b) if so, whether any irregularities 
have been found ; and 

(c) the steps taken or proposed to be 
taken to improve the drawbacks in the work- 
ing of the Commission ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AFFA- 
IRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) : (a) to 
(c). An annual report under section 62 of the 
M. R.T.P Act covering the period from 1st 
June 1970 to 31 st December 1971 will be placed 
before Parliament as early as possible. 

Auditing of Accounts of Public Sector 
Undertakings 

3561. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of COMPANY AFFAIRS 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of the 
serious public criticism regarding the concen- 
tration of audit work of certain public sector 
undertakings in a few firms ; and 

(b) if so, the names of the firms which 
audit the accounts of public sector under- 
takings ? 

THE MINISTER OF COMPANY AF- 
FAIRS (SHRI RAGHUNATHA REDDY) : 
(a) Certain chartered accountant have been 
complaining about the concentration of audit 
work of public sector undertakings in a few 
firms. 

The auditors for Government companies 
are appointed on the recommendation of 
the Comptroller and Auditor General of India. 



157 Written 'Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 C SAKA ) 


Written Answers 158 


The Comptroller and Auditor General has stated 
that the work is distributed among as many 
firms as possible having regard to the nature 
of the undertaking, its location, the location 
of the office of the firm of chartered accoun- 
tants, their organisational btrengih, experience, 
etc He has further stated that the number 
of chartered accountants in practice, viz., 
7418, being much more than the number of 
Government companies and corporations, the 
number of chartered accountants who can be 
appointed as the auditors of these Government 
companies and corporations is limited. 

(b) A statement showing the names of 
the firms of chartered accounts which have 
been the auditors of Government companies 
is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed 
inLibraray . See No. LT- 3507/72] 

Lack of tourist facilities at Ajanta and Ellora 

3562. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 

SHRI R. P. YADAV : 

Will the Minister of TOURISM and 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether tourist facilities such as good 
quality of food and adequate accommodation 
arc lacking at Ajanta and Ellora ; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government propose 
to take to provide necessary amenities at 
Ajanta and Ellora for attracting middle income 
tourists and Buddhists pilgrims from outside 
and within the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
(a) and (b). In order to provide amenities 
for tourists visiting Ajanta and Ellora, a Can- 
teen-cum-Rest House at Ajanta and a canteen 
at Ellora were constructed during the Third 
Plan period in the Central sector. Subsidy 
to the extent of 50% of the actual cost was 
also given to the State Government which 
constructed tourist bungalows for middle 
income group tourists at Fardapur, 3 miles 
from. Ajanta, and at Aurangabad, which is 
the air-terminal and rail-head for visiting the 
caves. In addition, a Reception Centre was 
constructed at Jalgaon in the Central Sector 
to facilitate visits to the Ajanta caves of 
those visitors who travel by rail and disem- 
bark at Jalgaon, 36 miles from Ajanta. 


In the Fourth Flan, water supply will be 
augmented at Ajanta and Ellora in the Central 
Sector and the India Tourism Development 
Corporation will enlarge and renovate the 
Canteen-cum-Rest House at Ajanta and the 
Canteen at Ellora. The Department of 
Tourism will also construct a youth hostel at 
Aurangabad. 

Shifting of Headquarters of Sixth Finance 
Commission 

3563. SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the Headquarters of the sixth 
Finance Commission are likely to be shifted 
outside Delhi ; 

(b) if so, the reasons thecefor ; and 

(c) the total expenditure likely to be 
incurred thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

Follow-up action initiated by I.D.B. on 
its Survey Reports 

3564. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) the follow-up action initiated by the 
Industrial Development Bank of India on its 
survey reports in respect of projects of five 
States and Union Territories ; 

(b) which # are these five States and 
Union territories ; and 

(c) the nature of project ideas which 
have emerged out of these Survey Reports ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R. 
GANESH) : (a) to (c). The Industrial 
Development Bank of India, jointly with 
other financial institutions, has initiated 
follow-up action on the survey reports on 
Assam, Bihar, Jammu and Kashmir, Orissa, 
Uttar Pradesh, Tripura and Union Territory 
of Arunachel Pradesh. 



159 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 160 


The project identified in the survey reports 
are mainly based on this resources available 
in the respective States and on agriculture, 
horticulture, forests, minerals etc. Some of 
the projects identified are pulp and paper 
units, sugar mills, solvent extraction units, 
fruit processing unite, cement factories, etc. 

The Committee of Control which guides 
and supervises the work relating to the surveys 
has held meetings with the representatives of the 
State Governments and State level financial ins- 
titutions in Assam, Bihar, Orissa, Jammu and 
Kashmir and Uttar Pradesh Inter-institutional 
groups consisting of representatives of State 
Governments, State level institutions like the 
State Financial Corporations and State Indust- 
rial Development Corporations and banks 
have been set up in the above five States to 
watch the progress of implementation of 
project ideas. 

Setting up of Technical Consultancy Ser- 
vice by Industrial Development Bank 
of India 

3565. SHRI C CH1TT1BABU : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 

(a) whether the Technical Consultancy 
Service for each State, pat ticularly in Kerala, 
Andhra Pradesh and Assam, has been set up by 
the Industrial Development Bank India ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons for delay ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). A Technical Con- 
sultancy Service Centre known as the Kerala 
Industrial & Technical Consultancy Organi- 
sation Limited has been set up by the Indust- 
rial Development Bank of Indi> at Cochin on 
the 7th February, 1972 in participation with 
the Government of Kerala, the Industrial 
Finance Corporation of India and the 5 
nationalised ‘Lead Banks’ in the State, the 
Kerala Financial Corporation and the Kerala 
State Industrial Development Corporation. 
Proposals for setting up similar organisations 
in Assam and Andhra Pradesh are under 
consideration of the Development Bank. 

Taking into consideration the working 
experience of the Consultancy Service Centre 
in Kerala, the Development Bank is taking 
steps to set up similar organisations in the 


other States, priority being given to the 
backward States. 


Assistance to different Categories of 
persons under differential interest 
Rates scheme of Commercial Banks 

3566. SHRI C. CHITTIBABU : Will 
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state the nature of assistance availed of by 
the Scheduled Tribes, Scheduled Castes, 
physically handicapped, people engaged in 
cottage and rural industries, indigent students 
going in for higher education, the orphanages 
and women’s homes under the scheme of 
differential interest rates from the date of 
introduction, which has been introduced in 
public sector commercial banks ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI 
SUSHILA ROHATGI) : The public sector 
banks were advised about the scheme on 
June 3, 1972. They have been attending to 
preliminaries such as selection of th: branches 
for implementing the scheme, issue of instruc- 
tions to branches etc. Banks are required 
to submit quarterly reports ending March, 
June, September and December each vear. 
As the first report will relate to the peiod 
ending September, 1972, the requisite infor- 
mation about the nature of the assistance 
availed of by selected low income groups as 
mentioned in the scheme, would be available 
only some time after that date. 


Gulmarg (Kashmir) declining in Popu- 
larity as a Tourist Spot 

3367. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Gulmarg (Kashmir) is fast 
declining in populaiity as a tourist spot ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; 

(c) how long Government would take to 
decide about Rs. 10-ciore Master Plan for 
Gulmarg ; and 

(d) whether during the recent tourist 
season Government did not earn much 
foreign exchange at Gulmarg ? 



16 f Written Answers 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 162 


the minister of tourism and 

CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 

(a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) In the Fourth Plan a provision of 
Rs. 3.38 crores exists in the Central Sector 
for developing tourist facilities at Oulmarg. 
These include the construction of an aerial 
passenger ropeway, other types of 'lifts’, 
establishment of an Institute for training 
instructors and for imparting training in 
skiing and mountaineering, purchase of skis, 
mountaineering and snow clearing equipment 
of a centrally heated hotel, construction of 
the Tangmarg-Gulmarg road, etc. Many of 
the facilities mentioned above have already 
been provided, and the work on the aerial 
passenger ropeway and the hotel will be 
taken up during the Plan period, A master 
plan of Gulmarg indicating land use and 
circulation has also been prepared and present- 
ed to the State Government for implementa- 
talion. The latter has also made a provision 
of Rs. 76.50 lakhs in the State Plan for 
providing amenities at Gulmarg such as water, 
electricity, loads, accommodation, etc. 

(d) Foreign exchange earnings are esti- 
mated on an all India basis and not on a 
place-wise basis. The country earned appro- 
ximately Rs. 40.38 crores m foreign exchange 
in 1971 as against approximately Rs. 33 03 
crores in 1970. Gulmarg was not open for 
winter sports during last winter due to the 
conflict with Pakistan. 


Replacement of Primary Co-operative 
Societies 

3568. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether a study prepared for Bank- 
ing Commission has favoured replacement 
of primary co-operative credit societies by 
independent rural banks or subsidiary banks 
jointly owned by the nationalised commercial 
banks and co-operative Banks ; and 

(b) the steps pioposed to replace the 
present set up of Primary Co-operative Credit 
Societies by independent rural banks or by 
branches of Nationalised Banks ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) The Banking Commission 
has recommeded the setting up of rural banks 
either through the conversion of the Primary 
Societies into 'rural banks’ or oy linking them 
with commercial banks a S rural subsidiary 
banks. 

(b) The recommendation is under consi- 
deration of the Government. 

Utilisation of land in Chittor District of Andhra 
Pradesh 

3569. SHRI P. NARASIMA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether several blocks of Govern- 
ment land stand reserved for the use of 
the Defence Department in Chittor District 
of Andhra Pradesh ; 

(h) ir so, the details of such lands 
adjacent to Bangalore-Madras National 
Highway falling in Chittor District limits ; 
and 

(c) whether the Defence Department 
has any programme to utilise these plots and 
if so, the outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) to (c). The informa- 
tion is being collected and will be laid on the 
Table of the House. 

Expenses of Nationalised Banks 

3570. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Ministe/ of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the Nationalised Banks have 
been unable to prune their expenses ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor and remc* 
dies proposed ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b) Expenses of the 
nationalised banks comprise interest paid on 
deposits and borrowings, salaries and allo- 
wances of employees and other operating 



163 Written Answer* 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers 164 


expenditure. The expense have been increasing 
in keeping with the increase of deposits, 
opening of new offices and diversification of 
their activities including lending to priority 
and neglected sectors. Banks priodioally review 
the expenditure under various heads and take 
steps to effect economy, wherever possible. 

Special Grants to Rajasthan 

3571. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether special grants are proposed 
to be given to Rajasthan Government to 
enable them to clear their overdrafts and over- 
come their financial crisis ; and 

(b) if so, whether similar grants will be 
made to other States also 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH):(a) and (b). The State Government 
have requested for assistance for covering 
their budgetary deficit in the current year. 
However, a deficit does not by itself 
qualify for any special assistance. During 
the Fourth Plan period. Government of 
India are providing special accommodation 
(by way of loans) to those States, including 
Rajasthan, which may be assessed by the 
Planning Commission to have inescapable 
gaps in resources. The quantum of accommo- 
dation to be given to the State Government 
each year is fixed after taking into account 
the recommendations of the Fifth Finance 
Commission in regard to unavoidable non- 
Plan commitments, the scope of economies 
in non-Plam expenditure, the efforts to imp- 
rove the revenue and tax collections and 
mobilisation of other normal budgetary 
resources by the State Government. 

Completion of Mangalore Fertilizer Project 

3572. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Mangalore Fertilizer Pro- 
ject will get delayed due to the delay in the 
completion of Mangalore Harbour Project ; 
and 


(b) if so, the reasons therefor and the 
approximate time by which the < fertilizer 
project will be completed ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Pre- 
sently no delay is expected in the completion 
of the Manglore Fertilizer Project taking 
into consideration the schedule of completion 
of the Mangalore Harbour Project. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Setting up of machinery to co-ordinate prob- 
lems of revision in Pay and Allowances of 
Central and State Government Employees 

3573 . SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to set up 
a machinery for consultation on and a co-ordi- 
nated approach to problems, like the revision 
of pay scale and allowances of Central and 
State Government employees ; and 

(b) if so, an outline of the proposal inclu- 
ding the composition of the machinery ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). There is no such 
proposal at present to set up any machinery 
for this purpose. 

Replacement of Sur-Tax by Capital levy 

3574 . SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have any pro- 
posal to replace Sur-tax by capital levy ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STA1E IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : (a) and (b). The Direct Taxes 
Enquiry Committee has recommended in its 
Final Report abolition of Sur-tax and intro- 
duction of a tax on capital of companies. 
These recommendations are being examined 
by the Government, 



BHADRA 3, 1894 {SAKA) 


Written Answers 166 


145 Written Answers 

Replenishment of Armour by Pakistan 

3575. SHR1 N. K. P. SALVE : Will the 
Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have any infor- 
mation about the extent to which Pakistan 
has replenished its armour after the December, 
1971 war ; and 

(b) the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 
JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) Government have 
information on this subject but it would 
not be in public interest to disclose it. 

(b) The impact of such replenishment on 
our security and our defence preparedness is 
reviewed from time to time. 

Performance of ONGC before 1962-63 and after 
and ventures undertaken in other Countries 


(a) whether the ONGC has a programme 
of various types of service, exploration for 
oil and production of indigenous crude ; 

(b; the comparative performance of the 
ONGC before 1962-63 and after, by way of 
amounts spent on the various activities and 
results thereof including number of wells 
spudded and quantities of crude produced 
with its value ; and 

(c) the nature of ventures undertaken by 
ONGC in other countries and the quantites 
of oil that have accrued to the share of 
ONGC and whether the same has been used 
in Indian refineries ? 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- 
TICE AND PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- 
CALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHALE) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 


3576. SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : 
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 


(b). The expenditure incurred on various 
operations of ONGC before and after 19o2-63 
is given as under : — 


(in Rs./Crores) 



From 1959-60* 

From 1963-64 


upto 1962-63 

upto 1971-72 

(1) Geological Surveys 

1-37 

204 

(2) Geophysical Surveys 

279 

16-81 

(3) Drilling 

19*60 

203 39 


The achievements of ONGC during the same time-periods, in its major operations, are 
as follows : — 


1 

From 1959-60* 
upto 1962-63 

2 

From 1963-64 
upto 1971-72 

3 

(i) Geological Surveys 


t 

(a) Detailed and 



Semi-detailed 


• 

Surveys (Sq. Kms). 

84,131 

55,691 

(b) Reconnaissance 
Surveys (Sq. Kras.) 

Nil 

42,105 

(ii) Geophysical 

(Seismic) 

Surveys (Line Kms) 

17,201 

85.463 

(Hi) Drilling 

(a) No. or wells 

118 

828 

(b) Metreage 
(Metres) 

2,27,763 

17,16,888 


•ONGC came into existence in its present form as a Statutory Corporation in 1959-60, 






167 Written Answers 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Written Answers ttt 


1 

2 

3 


(iv) Oil/Gas bearing 
areas discovered 

4 

26 


(v) Production and 
despatches of 

Oil 

(Miilion tonnes) 

0*49 

22*62 

' 

(vi) Supplies of 
natural gas 
(Million Cubic 
metres) 

Nil 

1919*11 


(vii) Receipts from 
sale of oil and 

Natural gas 

(Rs. in Crores) 

3*84 

259-33 



(c) There is only one venture of 
ONGC abroad ; this is a joint venture for 
exploration and production of oil in an ofT- 
shore area in the Persian Gulf. ONGC is 
represented in it through its wholly-owned 
subsidiary. Hydrocarbons India Pvt. Ltd, 
(HIPL), which owns one-sixth of the equity. 
The other participants are Phillips Petroleum 
Co. of USA and AGIP of I aly, both of 
which also have one-sixth each of the equity, 
and NIOC of Iran which has half of the 
equity. In proportion to their respective equity 
participation, half of the oil produced goes to 
the share of the NIOC and the remaining half 
is shared equally by HIPL, Phillips and 
AIGP. 

Of the oil produced in the joint venture 
upto 16-7-72, 10,900,542 barrels (1*45 miilion 
tonnes approx ) came to the equity share of 
HIPL. Against its equity share, HIPL so far 
has been able to lift 6,9i2,603 barrels (0*92 
million tonnes approx.) only, because of the 
problem of finding buyers, and it having not 
been possible to use this oil in the Indian refine- 
ries for various reasons. HIPL however, have 
an option to make up this short lifting in 
future years, and has actually begun to do 
so from January 1972. 

Out of the total liftings by HIPL, upto 
now, 233,464 barrels (31,000 tonnes approx.) 
were sold on a trial basis to the Cochin Re- 
fineries Ltd. The remaining quantities were 
sold abroad. 


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Decline in credit advanced to rural 
sector by Nationalised Banks 

3578. DR. P. SHARMA : Will the 
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state : 

(a) Whether credits advanced to the rural 
sector by Nationalised Banks have declined 
sharply during the last six months : 

(b) if so f the comparative figures in this 
regard for the period January to June and July 
to December, 1970-71 and 1972 (first half) ; 
and 

(c) the main reasons for the decline ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MIN- 
ISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIMATI SUSHILA 
ROHATGI) : (a) and (b). Statistics on 

advance made by nationalised banks separately 
to the rural and urban sectors are not main- 
tained. Advances to agriculture constitute the 
major portion of advance in rural areas. The 
following table showing amounts outstanding 
of direct agriculture finance to farmers by 
nationalised banks from December 1969 to 
December 1971 (Latest six monthly available) 
would indicate an increasing trend of advances 
in this sector. 


(Rs. in crores) 



Dec. 

June 

Dec. 

June 

Dec. 


69 

70 

70 

71 

71 

Direct 






finance to 






farmers 

57.91 

98.48 

127.16 

129.64 

150.32 


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1?1 Re. C. A. Notice and 


AUGUST 23, 1972 


Motion for Admt. 172 


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RE. CALLING ATTENTION NOTICE 

AND MOTION FOR ADJOURN- 
MENT 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM 
(Coimbatore) : Sir, I have got a submission 
to make 

MR. SPEAKER : Not now. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM : 
You must protect the rights of Members and 
show us an avenue how to get the Railway 
Minister. We want to discuss the question 
of that railway accident. So many issues are 
involved. He would not make a statement ; 
he would not accept a Short Notice Question. 
You will not allow a Calling Attention 
Notice ; you will not allow an adjournment 
motion. What is to be done ? How are you 
going to protect our rights ? In this matter, 

the Railway Minister refuses to budge 

(Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER ; He is not listening to 
me ; I am taking up the Calling Attention 
notice. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : In 

the Rajya Sabba, this was - discussed 

( Interruptions ) 

12 hra 

MR. SPEAKER : It is call-attention 
motion that we are to take up now. The 
rules of business have to be followed. You 
must give certain notice ; I must know what 
you are going to ask. 

SHRI H, N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta- 
North-East) : I had given notice of an adjourn- 
ment motion... 


MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I know I am 
a little puzzled because if a matter is permis- 
sible under your guidance... (Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it. 

SHRI H. N MUKERJEE: The near- 
paralysis of banking operations in a large 
region of our country is certainly the Central 
Government's concern The Reserve Bank of 
India is a Central Bank .. 

MR. SPEAKER : I had asked the Secre- 
tary to convey to you that yesterday, much 
before that, I had allowed a call-attention 
motion... 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : There is a 
qualitative difference between adjournment 
motion and call-attention motion, 

MR. SPEAKER : I did not take it as an 
adjournment motion. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : You must 
tell us the reasons ...(Interruption) 

MR. SPEAKER : There was already a 
call-attention motion before me which I had 
accepted . 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : It is not a 
question of before or after. If it is a permis- 
sible matter as an adjournment motion, it has 
to be put before the House... (Interrupt ions) 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry, I did not 
give my consent to it. 

SHRI P1LOO MODY (Godhra) : Before 
you take up the calJ-attention...(/^ferrupr/on) 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not here to ex- 
plain anything, what I have accepted, and 
what I have not accepted, why I did not 
accept a call-attention motion. I am not here 
to explain these things. ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I have received 
a letter from your office... 

MR SPEAKER : You can write tome. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : The Session is 



174 


173 Re. C. A. Notice and BHADRA 3, 1894 {SAKA) 

Motion for Admt. 

coming to an cnd. Each letter takes over a 12.05 his. 
week- CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER 

OF URGENT PUBLIC 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not allowing it. IMPORTANCE 


SHRI PILOO MODY : From the begin- 
Ding of the Session I have been trying to 
introduce a subject for a call-attention. 
Finally I have been informed by your office 
that because ten or twelve questions have been 
asked of which only one came up for oral 
reply, for that reason it cannot be admitted, 
I do not think it is an adequate reason for 
refusing call-attention. I am not interested 
in unstarred replies that may be given : a 
bunch of half-truth is contained in written 
replies to questions. This is a very important 
matter that must be discussed in the House... 

MR. SPEAKER : Please resume your 
seat. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : ...regarding the 
monumental fraud committed by ihe Food 
Corporation of India, particularly at a time 
when we are likely to be short of food 
supplies. I cannot understand the mentality 
of the House if it cannot discuss a subject like 
this at a time like this. 

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Dinen Bhatta- 
charya, 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : My hon. 
friend, Shri H. N. Mukerjee, has already 
pointed out the situation that is obtaining in 
the Calcutta Reserve Bank of India. We have 
received a telegram ; the entire economic life 
of Calcutta and also of other places in West 
Bengal is affected seriously.., 

MR. SPEAKER : It is already before 
you. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The strike 
may spread to other States also. You can 
keep the adjournment motion pending. If we 
are not satisfied after hearing the statement, 
kindly admit that. 

MR. SPEAKER : You must be reasona- 
ble, 

Mr, Dinen Bhattacharya. 


Demands of employees of Reserve 
Bank of India, Calcutta and 
Government’s reaction 
thereto 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA 
(Serampore) : I call the attention of the 
hon. Minister of Finance to the following 
matter of urgent public importance and request 
that he may make a statement thereon : 

“Demands of the employees of Reserve 

Bank of India, Calcutta, and the reaction 

of the Government in regard thereto." 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R, 
GANESH) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, The Reserve 
Bank of India, after a review of the work in 
the Department of Non-banking Companies 
at Calcutta converted a temporary post of a 
record clerk in that Department to that of a 
Daftry with effect from 29.7.1972. The 
Class IV (Subordinate Staff) Union of the 
Calcutta office of the Reserve Bank of India 
wanted that the post of the record clerk in the 
Department of Non-hanking Companies should 
be restored. The Reserve Bank of India 
could not agree to this for the reason that the 
downgrading of the post was done after a 
review of the workload in the Non-banking 
Companies Department by its Inspection 
Wing. 

Class IV (Subordinate Staff) of the 
Calcutta office of the Reserve Bank of India 
have started an, agitation from 7th August, 
1972 as a protest against the action of the 
Reserve Bank of India Since 7th August, 
1972 the Class IV staff have been abstaining 
themselves from work for varying periods 
from 1 to 4 hrs. and the work relating to the 
bringing out treasure, files etc was not being 
attended to. As a result of the agitation the 
clearing had to be suspended in the Bank 
from the 10th August, 1972, causing incon- 
venience to trade and commerce in Calcutta. 

Senior officials of Reserve Bank of India 
have been holding discussions with the Union 
in the presence of the Central Industrial 



175 Calcutta R. B. & employee's AUGUST 25, 1972 Demands and Govt.'s 176 

reaction (C A.\ 


[Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya] 

Relation Machinery ps well as the West 
Bengal authorities. Negotiations are still 
continuing with a view to resolve the dispute, 
and it is hoped that an amicable settlement 
will be reached shortly. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
First of all, I want to express my resentment 
at the way the question has been dealt with 
by the Minister. Only a few minutes ago, 
Mr. Chavan, the Finance Minister, was here 
and he did not feel it necessary at least to be 
present at the time when his State Minister 
replies to the question 

The issue is not only concerning 
Calcutta. Already the situation has reached 
such an extent that all transactions have 
almost collapsed or reached a collapsing 
condition. 

It is also a fact that from the very state- 
ment of the Minister it appears that one 
employee was degraded, demo'ed or down- 
graded, whatever you may say. My first 
•question is this. In this Bank there is a 
Recognised Union and other Unions are also 
there. But on this issue, all the Unions have 
been united and are supporting the cause of 
the Class IV employees Taking this action 
is nothing but a punishment. If you demote 
an employee, it is a sort of punishment. If 
you downgrade an employee, it is also a 
punishment. I want to know whether before 
taking this action, the management there had 
any consultation with the Unions there, 
whether reeognised or non-recognised. 

This is not the only question. Sometime 
ago, this House discussed about certain issues 
in the Reserve Bank, Bombay unit. There 
was also the same type of attitude usually 
shown by the management. My point is this. 
Because of the pigheaded' nature of the 
management there in Calcutta, this situation 
has been created. Here 1 can mention also 
that the Secretary of the All India Bank 
Employees' Association, West Bengal Com- 
mittee, Mr. Sushir Ghosh, has come forward 
with a statement that the management there 
also is creating a deadlock so that the situa- 
tion may be settled in the near future— for 
what reasons, I do not know. But the 
statement has come from a very responsible 
man. 

The West Bengal Government have taken 
the initiative to settle the matter and Dr. 


Gopal Das Nag, as it has come ia the papers, 
has suggested some measures. He suggested 
the maintenance of status quo ante , so that 
in the meantime the employees and manage- 
ment can discuss the matter in a cool atmos- 
phere as to what is to be done for the future. 
Does the Minister know that a positive 
suggestion was given by the Labour Minister 
of West Bengal to the management which was 
agreed to by the employees, but to which the 
management did not agree ? That is why 
the impasse has been created. In a cursory 
way he said, negotiations are going on. Every 
time we hear such sort of replies. I want to 
know whether the Minister himself will 
intervene in the matter. Will he see that 
such a situation does not arise in Calcutta 
and other plaees in future ? For a very 
trifling matter, the situation becomes worse, 
the situation becomes complicated to such an 
extent that neither the management nor the 
employees want to come to a settlement. 

Will he say that the management not only 
in Calcutta, but in all the other Centres, do 
not behave in this way, where unnecessarily 
the employees are bound to resort to strike as 
the last weapon. This is my last submission. 
I hope the hon. Minister will give proper 
replies to my questions. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta North- 
East) : Before the reply comes, may we 
know your decision on the point of decorum 
that he raised ? Mr. Chavan the Finance 
Minister was here, without an apology to the 
House he walked out immediately after the 
Question Hour. This House should not be 
treated with this kind of disrespect by 
Minister after Minister. The Prime Minister 
is hardly present here. The Home Minister 
did not come ; Mr. Pant may be quite capa- 
ble enough to do the work ; that is a different 
matter. Mr. Chavan was here when the 
question concerning the Reserve Bank of India 
came up. 

MR. SPEAKER : Whenever such , ques- 
tions were raised a number of times before, 
the view was, the Minister of State is there 
and it is equally good... 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : 
There are some important developments 
today. 



177 Calcutta R. B. /. BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Demands and Govt's 178 

employees 9 reaction (C.AJ 


SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
You come to Calcutta and see the situation, 
Do you know how serious the situation is ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : The Finance 
Minister has to meet a delegation which has 
come from the World Bank. The hon. 
Member is aware that I have been handling 
every strike, share the concern expressed by 
the hon. Member. He said that the strike 
at Calcutta has created a situation in which 
normal trade and commerce in Calcutta 
stands paralysed May I know what is the 
issue on which the strike has taken place ? 

I want to put these things very squarely before 
the honourable House. We have a responsi- 
bility to the industrial working class. Like- 
wise they have a responsibility which they 
have to discharge. I would have expected 
him to frame his question in a different form. 
But since he has framed it in this manner, I 
would ask him : What was the issue 
involved ? What happened was this. One 
temporary record clerk in the non- banking 
companies department of the Reserve Bank 
in Calcutta, ’after the inspection unit verified 
the workload, was downgraded to the post of 
a daftry. 

Let us not go into the merits of whether 
this downgrading was correct or not. Let 
us not go into the merits of whether the 
inspection unit took a correct decision or 
not. Is it in the interests of the nation and 
is it in the interests of the working class that 
this one single decision should have brought 
the entire industrial life of Calculla into a 
state of paralysis ? This is one question 
which I put to the hon. Member’s conscience, 
first in his capacity as a trade unionist 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 
Let him answer my question. He is here 
to answer my question. I am not here to 
answer his questions. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : 1 am here to 

put the matter squarely ; I am here to take 
advantage of this forum for that purpose 

MR*. SPEAKER : Let him not talk of 
conscience. Why does he enter into this 
question of conscience ? What has the 
House to do with conscience ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : I have indicated 
the real issue on which the strike took place. 


The hon. Member has said that this down- 
grading amounts to ft punishment. When 
the inspection unit of the Reserve Bank went 
into the records in the non-banking companies 
department, they came to the conclusion that 
this particular post was not necessary, and, 
therefore, they recommended this. 

The present position is that the Chief 
Minister of West Bengal, the Labour Minister 
of West Bengal, and the Regional Labour 
Commission (Central) in West Bengal, and 
the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank 
are in the process of consultation, and they 
have almost come to a point where agreement 
could be reached. Further consultations are 
going on. I think any further explanation 
at this* stage will not help the process of 
consultation and the process of coming to a 
settlement which has already been initiated 
there. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 

I seek your protection. Sir. I had put a 
specific question 

MR. SPEAKER : Rather, I must seek 
his protection. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : 

I am always at your command. I shall 
abide by whatever you ask me to do. My 
simple question is whether downgrading is a 
sort of punishment or not. I am using the 
term used by the hon. Minister in his state- 
ment. 

MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Minister 
has given the factual information already 

SHRI DINF.N BHATTACHARYYA : 
He has* not specifically replied to my question 
whether downgrading tantamounts to a major 
punishment or not. What does his conscience 
say now ? Let him be frank. 

MR. SPEAKER : Is the whole trouble 
just over one clerk ? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Yes, it is only 
one clerk who is involved, and the whole 
trouble is over that only 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA 
It is a question of principle. 



179 Calcutta R. B . !« employees' AUGUST 25, 1972 Demands and Govt.'s 180 

reaction (C.A.) 


SHRl A. P. SHARMA (Buxar) : What 
a pity that so much time of the House is 
being taken on a calling-attention-notice on 
the case of one single individual, ( Inter - 
ruptions) 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR 

(Mathurapur) : I am sorry at the manner 
in which the statement has been given. It 
does not refer to the economic situation in the 
eastern region. The Statesman says : 

“The clearing of cheques and drafts 
mostly from outstation offices continue 
to worry businessmen and traders, almost 
completely dislocating the financial 
transactions ; even it affects the common 

man This to some extent has 

created a scarcity of notes and coins in 
some areas.” 

“The worst sufferers are the small traders 
and common man who do not enjoy high 
credit facilities from the banks' 1 . 

This is the economic situation in the eastern 
region. It is not a question of Calcutta alone 
being affected. 

The statement refers to reversion of 
“a temporary post of a record clerk in that 
Department to that of a Daftry with effect 
from 29-7-72”. When this Daftry was 
promoted to the post of Record Clerk, was it 
recommended by the Research Wing or not ? 
If yes, when was he promoted and after what 
time this post has been declared unnecessary ? 

My second question : The West Bengal 
Labour Minister, Dr. Gopal Nag met the 
RBI management and suggested restoration of 
status quo ante. This formula of the West 
Bengal Government was not accepted by the 
RBI management. According to newspaper 
reports, the West Bengal Government circles 
‘feel that the intransigence of the management 
stands in the way of a settlement’. 

Again there are newspaper reports that 
Shri Ahluwalia, Chief Manager of the Reserve 
Bank went to Calcutta to negotiate a settle- 
ment, but he came back. What was the 
formula he offered to the employees 7 Why 
did the Reserve Bank management at Calcutta 
could not accept the status quo ante formula 
of the West Bengal Government ? 


My third question : Sometime back 
there was a strike in the Bombay branch of 
the RBI over suspension of two employees 
there. Then the Union Labour Minister and 
Union Finance Minister intervened to settle 
it. Why is it that neither of them is coming 
forward to have a settlement in this case 
also ? Why have they left it to the whims 
of the bureaucrats ? I want the Minister 
who showed some sort of bureaucratic attitude 
when he replied to Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya 
to reply like a politician and not like a 
bureaucrat. 

SHRI K R. GANESH : The temporary 
post was created in November 1967. When 
it was created as a temporary post, the idea 
was that it should be reviewed. In June 
1972, after the Inspection Wing went into the 
whole matter, they considered it superfluous 
and it was downgraded to the post of Daftry. 
This is the factual position. 

The Labour Minister and the Chief 
Minister of West Bengal have been taking 
interest in this matter. Various proposals 
have been made. I would not take the time 
of House to detail the various points which 
are now under consideration and discussion . 
In these discussions that are going on, the 
Reserve Bank management itself has been 
taking a view with a view to coming to a 
settlement. 

The hon Minister asked why the Finance 
Ministry is not intervening in the matter. 

I made this point clear in the beginning 
that there is an elaborate machinery set up. 
The Reserve Bank is a statutory body. They 
have been negotiating with them. They have 
got recognised unions, and they have got 
a federation and the federation has not yet 
taken up this issue. The federation had 
given its own proposals. As far as the 
question of this record clerk and daftari is 
concerned, the proposals are there. As for 
the clerk who was found surplus as a record 
clerk in the non-banking company department, 
a new post has been created in another 
department of the Reserve Bank where work 
is there, and one of the proposals is that he 
will be posted there from the date he was 
found surplus here. This is a concrete 
proposal which has been made, and it has 
been accepted by the Reserve Bank, 

The second concrete proposal it that 
consequent to that, some juniov persons who 





181 Calcutta R. B. I. BHADRA 3, 

employees 

were transferred here and there or degraded, 
will also be brought back to the original 
position. 

The poirit is, how should this strike period 
has to be treated. In this also, various 
concessions have been made by the Reserve 
Bank, as far as the strike period is concerned. 
They have not been found acceptable to the 
employees. 

I once again bring this point, if you 
permit me, to say that a simple matter of this 
type has brought about this whole collapse 
of economic life in Calcutta Either there is 
something wrong in the very concept of trade 
unionism in which we involve ourselves, or 
there is a way to be found somewhere. 
There are so many machineries. I am not 
going into the merits of the question. I have 
given you the details, the details of the 
negotiations of the Labour Minister and the 
Chief Minister of West Bengal. I congratulate 
them that they are taking interest in coming 
to a settlement on this issue, at that level. 

I want to pose this question again, with 
the permission of the Chair ; that this is a 
simple matter of one clerk. There are a 
number of channels through which such a 
matter could have been settled instead of 
bringing the entire economic life in Calcutta 
to a halt. So, not only the Reserve Bank 
should think about the problem, but I think 
the unions and the union leaders have also 
got to think about it. They cannot be 
allowed to hold the community to ransom on 
an issue of this nature. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : The 
Minister has always been saying that this 
is a simple matter, that this is a question of 
a clerk— 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. Please 
sit down. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR: I 
am not asking any question. 

MR. SPEAKER : That is why I am 
asking you to sit down. 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR : 

I want to mention that this is not a simple 
matter as stated by the Minister. It is a 


1894 (SAKA) Demands and Govt.'s 182 
reaction ( C.A .) 

matter affecting the economic situation, affair, 
of a clerk. I do not mind if a Minister is 
ousted or a Minister is demoted or an MLA 
or an MP is ousted. I do not mind that. 
But this is a matter of a clerk who is very 
ill-paid. That is why it is not a simple 
. matter. 

MR. SPEAKER : I allowed a Call 
Attention motion on this matter, on which 
they were asking for an Adjournment Motion. 
Now, I am still more surprised after hearing 
the facts. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : Sir, 
today I am extremely surprised to see the 
exhibition of progressive conscience of a 
progressive Marxist Minister in this House, 

( Interruption ) contrary to all the principles 
that he professes. He was just going to 
defend the bureaucratic highhandedness of a 
manager, who was tactless in dealing with a 
matter which, according to the Minister, is so 
simple, and the arrogance the local bank 
manager showed in refusing to attend the 
meeting that was convened by the Labour 
Minister of West Bengal. He congratulated 
the West Bengal Ministers, but he did not 
have a word to say against the manager who, 
in his height of arrogance and intrinsigence, 
refused to attend the meeting that was con- 
vened by the Labour Minister. I am really 
surprised to see that the Minister was time 
and again saying that these are simple 
matters. He was once proud of calling him- 
self a Marxist. It is not a question of one 
person. 

SHRI KR. GANESH : Sir, on a point 
of order. I do not understand the hon. 
Member trying to mix up this question with 
my calling myself Marxist. I think he may 

speak on the subject under discussion 

( Interruptions ) 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I did not use 
that term from the political party affiliation 
point of view. That term has a different 
connotation. A person who calls himself a 
Marxist has a different way of approaching 
a thing. . .{Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER Please do not be 
irrelevant. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is not irrele- 
vant. A person who ideologically believes 
in certain... 



183 Calcutta R. B. Iji employees' AUGUST 25, 1972 


Demands and Govt.'s 184 
reaction ( C.A. ) 


MR. SPEAKER : When the Minister 
has contradicted it. why should he go on 
persisting in it ? 

SHR1 SAMAR GUHA : He said it is 
a very simple issue. A man has been down- 
graded because his post was declared suiplus. 
But a question of principle is involved here. 
Firstly, the person whom the Minister called 
as a temporary incumbent is a permanent 
employee of that Bank ; but he was given a 
temporary job. Then, they have admitted 
that it is down-grading from record clerk to 
daftri. Any person who has a certain element 
of self-respect is bound to protest against this. 
And if the union to which he belongs does 
not protest against this, I should say that 
union has no right to exist. It is a serious 
question. It is a question of dignity ef employ- 
ment of an officer, whether he is temporary 
or permanent. If the Government had pro- 
vided him with a post of equivalent status 
and dignity, one could have understood the 
answer of the government. 

Then the Minister referred to the workload. 
We know what workload means. If you visit 
any government office, you will know the 
nature of the workload and how government 
employees are working. Yet, the workload 
of this poor record clerk becomes a very im- 
portant criteria for which that person has to 
be down-graded, degraded and dishonoured and 
put in a very undignified position as a daftri. 
If such a man can be down-graded, to use his 
own word, the same fate may await the other 
employees also. Therefore, it is the inherent 
right of any trade union organisation to defend 
such a case when a question of principle is 
involved. It is not a question of one indi- 
vidual but a question of principle. Therefore, 
the trade union has done right thing in taking 
up this case. 

« 

This is the 18th day of the strike and 
this is the tenth day of stopping of clearance 
of bank cheques by the Reserve Bank of 
India. By this time the West Bengal State 
Labour Minister, the Chairman of the Bharat 
Chamber of Commerce, the President of the 
Engineering Association and many others have 
sent a number of telegrams to the Central 
Minister to intervene because this strike has 
created a mess, a deadlock in the economic 
activity in West Bengal. More than Rs. 400 
crores of cheques are not being cleared and 
no further cheques are being accepted . Can 


you imagine more than Rs. 400 crores of che- 
ques not being cleared ? The result is almost 
dislocation of the trade and industry. The 
trade and industry will have to pay huge 
demurrage. The movement of raw materials 
and finished goods through West Bengal is 
also very largely affected. This has created 
a very serious situation. If they consider it 
as so simple why is it that a Minister has to 
fly between Delhi and Calcutta ? 

Here I again want to refer to the arrogance 
of the management of the Reserve Bank of 
India. The officer in charge at Calcutta 
refused to meet the Labour Minister when 
he invited him. If it is not going to seriously 
affect the structure of the bank, if it is not 
going to seriously affect the finances of the 
bank organisation ; if it is not going to, in any 
big way, affect it —the West Benal Government 
made a request that the effect is going to be 
serious ; it has almost led to a complete dis- 
location — why don't you maintain the status 
quo ? Was that not a reasonable approach ? 

This is the 18th day of s'rikc. Without 
leaving the whole issue, if the Government 
consider it so simple, in the hands of an 
arrogant, intransigent, Manager, why not one 
of the Ministers ily to Calcutta and get the 
matter settled ? 

I want to know whether the Finance 
Ministry received the request, a telegram, from 
the Bengal Government, not today but about 
10 days before or a week before, and also by 
all the Chambers of Commerce and Industry 
of West Bengal to intervene in the matter 
and, if so, why the Government did not take 
prompt action to intervene in the matter. 

Secondly, I want to know whether the 
Minister would ask for an explanation from 
the Bank Manager as to why he refused to 
attend the meeting that was convened by the 
West Bengal Government Labour Minister for 
solution of this problem. I want to know 
whether it is a fact that the West Bengal 
Government made a request to maintain the 
status quo and that they go to the negotia- 
ting table to settle the matter without creating 
any deadlock in trade and commerce. 

I want to know what is the Chief Minis- 
ter’s formula that has been found favour with 
the Government. What is the nature of 
that ? 



185 Calcutta /?. B. /. BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Demand's and Govt.'s 186 
employees' reaction (C.A .) 

There is another thing. The clearance of SHRI K.R. GANESH : In the Reserve 


cheques was not refused by the Bank emplo- 
yees. It is the Bank itself that stopped the 
clearance. The strike started on the 7th and 
from the 10th, the Bank itself, not the emp- 
loyees, stopped the clearance of the cheques. 
Why could they not get the cheques cleared 
through the State Bank of India ? 

Then, I want to know whether the demur- 
rage will be given to these concerns of trade 
and business who have suffered losses as a 
result of the bungling of the whole affair by 
the Government. 

SHRI K.R. GANESH : The hon. Mem- 
ber has raised three or four points which I 
will answer. As I have said earlier, this 
was a temporary post, deliberately categorised 
a temporary post because the Reserve Bank 
was not sure of this post, whether this post 
will be necessary or not. 

The hon. Member has used a word “self- 
respcct’* not knowing the kind of work, the 
difference between the work that a daftri 
and a record clerk is doing... {Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : Please don’t interrupt 
him. Have patience to listen to him. The 
Minister listened to him patiently. ( Interrup • 
tions ). 

SHRI K.R. GANESH : I object to that 
word. He cannot take advantage of that. 
He should withdraw it. ( Interruption ) 

MR. SPEAKER : It is very much in 
bad taste If he wants to speak in terms of 
such words, it is very difficult to transact the 
business of the House. Tomorrow, if 
somebody were to say it to you, you will feel 
hurt. I do not like it ; it is not in good taste 
at all. ( Interruption ) He cannot control 
his temper. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I am also 
responsible to that poor man. What am I 
for ? Am I not a people’s representative 7 
( Interruption ) 

MR/ SPEAKER : May 1 request you 
to sit down 7 How to deal with him ? He 
is a problem to me ; he is a headache to 
everybody. Kindly sit down. ( Interruption ) 
He is a very touchy man. What to do ? 

**Not Recorded 


Bank, Class IV employees consist of peons, 
daftries and record clerks. The nature of 
work prevalent in the Reserve Bank of these 
categories... (Interruption). These are impor- 
tant ; you are trying to avoid going into 
details. 

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wf ^t i 

SHRI K.R. GANESH : As I was saying, 
the nature of work of a daftri and a peon in 
the Reserve Bank is to replace all current 
files while the duties of a record clerk are to 
attend to the maintenance of non-current 
files for the requisitioning of which there is a 
special procedure. Because he has used the 
word 'self-respect*. I have tried to explain the 
real nature of work. The Reserve Bank 
record clerk also belongs to Class IV category. 
Of course, the scale of pay is very high ; a 
record clerk gets Rs. 491 whereas a peon gets 
Rs. 306. The other question was 

MR. SPEAKER : The only question 
is, you could have paid him life-time salary 
if this strike had not taken place. Now you 
have lost so much because of that. 

SHRI K R. GANESH: I agree that the 
strike should not have taken place. There 
has to be some responsibility. On these issu- 
es which aie being placed before the House- 
strike in Calcutta and various other things- 
on the one hand rigidity on behalf of the 
management has to be avoided and on the 
other hand irresponsibility and negativism of 
trade unions have to be avoided. Then only 
we will be able to come to. - (Interruption) 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA : He was talking 
about West Bengal Minister... 

MR. SPEAKER : He need not be 
recorded. He is speaking without my per- 
mission. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA** 

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187 Calcutta R. 2 &* 7 . employees' AUGUST 25, 1972 Re, Rly. accident near 288 
Demands and GovtSs reaction (C.A.) Kadayanallur 


SHRI MANORA^JAN HAZRA (Aram- 
bagh) : The Minister has stated in his state- 
ment that after inspection and review of 
certain wing, the employees had been down- 
graded. There were trade unions ; they had 
notbeen consulted. Even the Labour Minister of 
West Bengal has stated that status quo should 
be maintained. In spite of those facts, they 
are violating the fundamental right of emplo- 
yees which is guaranteed under the Industrial 
Disputes Act and also in the Constitution. 
It is a question why the man was downgraded. 
He has the right to make protest and he did 
so along with his colleagues, and the union 
took up the cause standing by him. The 
whole economic situation in West Bengal has 
been paralysed due to strike. It is high time 
that we took up the question of fundamental 
rights of employees. We urge upon the hon. 
Minister to take note of it so that a peaceful 
and honourable settlement can be arrived at. 
He has stated in his statement that an amica- 
ble settlement is to be arrived at. I would 
like to have a reply from the hon. Minister 
that if the demand of the employees is justi- 
fied, then an amicable settlement can be 
arrived at Otherwise, if this attitude which 
the hon Minister has shown in this House is 
continued, then there can be no settlement. 
But shall I request the hon. Minister to be 
sympathetic to the cause of the employees of 
the Reserve Bank as well as the citizens of 
West Bengal and the citizens of India. 

SHRI K R. GANESH : The only point 
to be answered in the hon. Member’s question 
is that since the negotiations are now being 
conducted at the level of the Chief Minister 
of West Bengal with whom the Deputy Go- 
vernor of the Reserve Bank had an exhaustive 
discussion, and the points of dispute have 
been narrowed down and the only point in 
dispute is now how to treat the strike period 
wages, does it not require that at least on this 
point of difference further negotiations could 
take place and the strike be called off ? The 
whole dispute has been now narrowed down 
only to the point as to how this strike period 
wages have got to be adjusted. For that 
also, the Reserve Bank has put forward a new 
formula before the Chief Minister. The 
Chief Minister and the Labour Minister have 
conveyed to the Class IV Employees' Union 
this new formula which they have not found 
acceptable. 

I would appeal to the Members that since 
the issue has been narrowed down, let the 


strike be called off now and normalcy restored 
and this narrow issue can be settled by any 
of the various machinery. They can even g 0 
to the Conciliation Officer or for adjudica- 
tion. They can go to the Labour Court. 

There is no question of not having any 
sympathy. But the question I have been 
trying to pose is that this issue which is a 
simple issue has triggered off such a huge 
dispute bringing the entire life of Calcutta to 
a stand-still. So, let the Government as well 
as yourselves see how this can be solved. 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER 
(Ausgram) : I want to appeal to the Minister 
that instead of making it a prestige issue, the 
Government should take up the matter imme- 
diately and settle the matter at the earliest 
possible time. 

I would like to ask the Minister what 
amount of business was affected by the strike 
by Class IV staff of RBI. If it is not settled, 
the strike may spread over the whole county. 
So, this is not a simple issue. This is not a 
simple matter. Take it seriously and try to 
settle it at the earliest possible. I want to 
know whether the Central Government is 
going to take the initiative or not in the 
matter. 

SHRI K.R. GANESH : About the amo- 
unt of business affected, I have not got the 
figures. 

About the other question, all efforts arc 
being made to settle the matter as early as 
possible. 


12.49 hrs. 

RE. RAILWAY ACCIDENT NEAR 
KADAYANALLUR ON SOUTHERN 
RAILWAY 

MR. SPEAKER : Papers to be laid. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : I have sought your permission 
to raise a matter... 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM 
(Coimbatore) : You permitted me to raise 
the question about the railway accident near 



189 R?* B.O.H . 


BHADRA 3, 1894 


jRe. fl. 0 . . 190 


Kadayaoallur. Let the Minister make a 
statement. You can call upon the Minister 
to make a statement about the head-on colli- 
sion of an Express train with a stationary 
train... 

MR. SPEAKER : We informed him 
about it and we will remind him. 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYUTHAM : 
He would not reply to a short notice ques- 
tion nor would he take a call attention 
motion-.. 

SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY YA 

(Serampore) : A very difficult bureaucrat. 

MR. SPEAKER : I will ask the Railway 
Minister about it. 


1 2.50 his. 

RE. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : I have sought your permission 
to raise an important matter. This is with 
icgard to the Demand that is coming up. 
How do you expect us to make up our mind 
and to exercise our judgment for or against 
the Demand ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Not now ; the item 
is coming up at another time, not now. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : It 
relates to transitional allowances of rules of 
Indian States ; this is an exceptional Demand. 
This is not an enlargement of the existing 
Demand, but this is something different, we 
should have all the information. Otherwise 
it would be difficult for us to make up our 
mind on this matter. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is Item No. 11. It 
comes up at another time, not now. 

SllRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Before we come to discuss this matter we 
must be in full possession of all information 
which would enable us to exercise our judg- 
ment. Otherwise how can we do it ? It 
should be your concern as it is the concern 
of ourselves. 


MR. SPEAKER : 1 have already for- 

warded the letter to him... 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
There was a question on this matter the other 
day and we were told by the Minister that 
Supplementary Demands are coming for some 
amounts to be given as transitional allow- 
ances. When questions were asked as to 
what were the details, what was the amount, 
how these were to be calculated, etc. Mr. Mir- 
dha said it was coming up in the Supplementay 
Grants. He said, all the detailed information 
will be given there. But now we don’t find 
any such details here. That is the point. 

MR. SPEAKER : I also thought of it 
when Mishraji invited my attention to it and 
I have forwarded your letter. Let us see 
what he says But the item is coming up 
much later. Either it may come today or 
tomorrow. When it comes I will see ; in the 
meantime I hope I will have some informa- 
tion on the subject. Please don’t think I have 
made up my mind on any issue ; I am quite 
open. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: It 
must be as much your concern- m fact, your 
greater concern, Sir. 

MR. SPEAKER : Let it come ; at that 
time. I will see. 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJBAHADUR) : May 
I say for the information of Shri Mishraji, 
that for tomorrow we have already kept this 
Bill, Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of 
Privileges) Bill ? It is already there. It 
will be discussed. All the information that 
he wants will be given-. . 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
That does not relate to this item. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have not applied 
my mind yet over it. But, from common- 
sense point of view, I think, this Bill should 
have to come first and then only the Supple- 
mentary Grants. I do realise your keenness 
to do it, put at the same time, we are also 
bound by certain procedures and conventions. 
I would advise, you should first pass the Bill 
and then come for Supplementary Grants.,. 



191 Re, Drought in Bihar 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Papers Laid 192 


SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Sir, that is 
exactly what we are doing that is exactly the 
commonsense point of view which we are 
applying. The Bill will come first. We will 
pass the Bill first. 

MR. SPEAKER : So, there is no dis- 
pute now. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: This comes 
under Tomorrow's Legislative Business, 
Bills for consideration and passing : The 
item is : The Bill further to amend certain 
enactments consequent on derecognition of 
Rulers of Indian States and abolition of privy 
purses, so as to abolish the privilege of Rulers 
and to maKe certain transitional provisions 
to enable the said Rulers to adjust progressi- 
vely to the changed circumstances, be taken 
into consideration. That is coming up tomor- 
row. The Suppementary Demands would 
be taken up after that Bill has been passed. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not prepared to 
block this business purely on procedural 
grounds, but where broad principles are con- 
cerned, we shall try to adjust the business 
according to them. The Bill will come up 
first and then the Supplementary Demands. 

I think that it is a very important subject, 
and mere procedural obstructions should not 
come except where they are very necessary and 
very urgent, and hope the hon. Member agrees 
to it. I thank him very much bringing this 
to my notice. 


12.54 hrs. 

RE. DROUGHT IN BIHAR 

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12 56 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 
Notifications under Navy Act 

THE MINISTER OF STATE (DEFENCE 
PRODUCTION) IN THE MINISTRY OF 
DEFENCE (SHRI VIDYA CHARAN 
SHUKLA): On behalf of Shri Jagjivan 
Ram, I beg to lay on the Table a copy each 
of the following Notifications (Hindi and 
English versions) under section 185 of the 
Navy Act, 1957 : 

(1) The Naval Ceremonial, Conditions 
of Service and Miscellaneous (Third 


**Not recorded. 



197 Antiquities and 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAX A) 


Art Treasures Bill 198 


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JAIPUR (Jaipur) : I object to th»t. That 
is a personal allegation against Jaipur City 
Palace Museum. Not one thing has gone out 
of the palace for sale, except for five carpet*- 



ISA • Antiquities and 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Art Treasures Bill 200 


[SM*Ptl>Gg»tri Devi] ■- 

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otp in the National Museum, and the CB1 is 
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of* the City Palace collection. We are trying 
to! acquire ; not sell. It is a museum ; not 
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mfn* ttTOTlJ f« *t TOR 

j&iftt a& 1 aa* # tiff aw 

wfgfejlfe at tot it tot mretTO it at 
jtppll AW ffal TOffTT I atffa fra# 
foiff # aatfro r# facrar arma far# aft 
Jr am $ aaar maas#!’ ffaar at aft am 
( 1 mretar # faaar ffjaa wwr f m# 
aft tftjarf^r fam | saar fast # a# 
Unf 1 ft , a| ma $ ft faa #tft # ?*itO 

$, fmfat 

a*ffa far# ftmft 

am aft a*# * sritr at mi rr it an 
amfr •& to *rtftaa tfaaa, mittm, 


amffaar, mf#t tftr aftaat 1 1 Jrfta 
faat at f raa tf fata Jr, $#t<T % ^ 
tat % ark **fa#faaa ar#* it #ar wirr 
aft ftar anff?! ^ 

| far 115 tor aw it* fsrtrfira toptr aftr 
awsw ft RRI 1 1 

fRffR* Jr tiwf *t I ft 3ft 
TO?HR &RT TO|R| fts »TW% 5TTTO 
®RHR *T»t ^T^t *ft *^rf 1 if staro $ 
ft *iwf ir 5H sqTRTT afR atWRTR % %?? 
^ftar ^ftarpr TOf^f, sftr r 

^ 3TT5TT Rlf^tT I apffft ^ ftff 

Jr nftf % RgR Jr ?st*f¥ ^ f|f|roiR % fta^ 
|tr srfwtf ^ ^fiwf aft *>fmf *t 1 ix-ft 
q^ift ef at it at ?*rw t aft Rfarct *t 5. 
TTO *t *tf TORTTO R^lr 1 1 3 T%* TRRT if 
garret at R^t itar, it gfraf *t arftrt 
srst araHt Jr ^tat |i ^at ftafa Jr 
mat Jf ttt % straan at mar 
fast aare: % TO?aat at aft ^at arfft? 1 
areaaa Jr ftaft tr^ta | faaar af 
tg?re fa ft aar 1 1 Jrer gsua ^ ft at 
ata a?f ar ara ar^ fq <r* aiT aa? 
ara ®aa ft?s aa ^ar arffir; 
ar| aat at fast srare Jr ^Jt TOaaia 
at arm aft *at rnffir 1 it* af etitto at 

faaa if |aat aaTO 1 1 

N. 

aaga a^at ? 3 ft aafiaa f , Jtu 
awf i ft TreaTT at' ^ aat fia Jf Jr 
%ar arffir 1 ^ ^a^t ftaraa «fr, aa 

ar ^rearra 5 ^ treaa to r%fta aa aa% 
ftq smafifta atr Treaa vft a^f| 1 aaat 
frerfa aga grra ft aaJf Jt atftat 
awifft Jr ^t araft | atr af vft ama |, 
a^t fa af a Jt aaga at»ff ^ aaar ar# 
am# % faq ^aro ft%ara faro | ate 
a#t aw«t T*Jf Jrar a?| arfr #a r| | 
3ftr aa $ 1 ?a aaw araf at mta Jf 
Taar %afta arare at aa aa aaw 
aafiaat at tot# fra # #ar arftq i 



193 Messages from R. S. BHADRA 3, 1894 < SARA ) 


Assent to BUls *194 


Amendment) Regulations, 19/2, 
published in Notification No. S.R.O. 
169 in Gazette of India dated the 
15th July, 1972. 

(2) The Naval Ceremonial, Conditions . 
of Service and Miscellaneous (Fourth 
Amendment) Regulations, 1972, 
published in Notification No. S. R. 
O. 222 in Gazette of India dated 
the 12th August, 1972. [Placed 
in Library . See No. LT-3494/72] 

Notifications under Customs Act 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : I beg to lay on the Table a 
copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi 
and English versions) under section 159 of 
the Customs Act, 1962 

(1) G. S. R. 440 (E) published in Ga- 
zette of India dated the 24th June, 
1972 together with an explanatory 
memorandum. 

(2) G. S. R. 931 published in Gazette of 
India dated the 5th August, 1972 
together with an explanatory memo- 
randum. [Placed in Library . See 
No. LT — 3495/72] 

Notifications under Monopolies 
and Restrictive Trade Prac- 
tices Act 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF COMPANY AFFAIRS 
(SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA) : I beg to 
lay on the Table a copy of the Monopolies 
and Restrictive Trade Practices (Third Amend- 
ment) Rules 1972 (Hindi and English versious) 
published in Notification No. G. S. R. 321 
(E) in Gazette of India dated the 22nd June, 
1972, under sub-section (3) of section 67 of 
the Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices 
Act, 1969. [Placed in Library . See No 
LT— 3496/72] 


12.57brs. 

MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY : Sir, I have to report 
the following messages received from the Sec- 
retary of Rqjya Sabha 


(i) “In accordance with the provisions of 
rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure 
and Conduct of Business in the Rtuya 
Sabha, I am directed to inform the 
Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, 
at its sitting held on the 22nd 
August, 1972, passed, in accordance 
with the provisions of article 368 of 
the Constitution of India, without any 
amendment, the Constitution (Thir- 
tieth Amendment) Bill, 1972, which 
was passed by the Lok Sabha at its 
sitting held on the 17th August, 
1972.” 

(ii) “In accordance with the provisions 
of sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the 
Rules of Procedure and Conduct of 
Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am 
directed to return herewith the Taxa- 
tion Laws (Amendment) Bill. 1972, 
which was passed by the Lok Sabha 
at its sitting held on the 18th August. 
1972, and transmitted to the Rajya 
Sabha for its recommendations and 
to state that this House has no recom- 
mendations to make to the Lok 
Sabha in regard to the said Bill/* 

(iii) “In accordance with the provisions 
of rule 127 of the Rules of Procedure 
and Conduct of Business in the 
Rajya Sabha, I am directed to inform 
the Lok Sabha that the Rajya Sabha, 
at its sitting held on the 23rd August, 
1972, agreed without any amendment 
to the Paojab New Capital (Peri- 
phery) Control (Chandigarh Amend- 
ment) Bill, 1972, which was passed 
by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held 
on the 18th August, 1972". 


12.59 hrs. 

ASSENT TO BILLS 

SECRETARY : 1 also lay on the Table 
following 2 Bills passed by the Houses of 
Parliament during the current session and 
assented to since a report was last made to 
the House on the 31st July, 1972 

i 

(1) The Supreme Court (Bahifentnt of 
Criminal Appellate furisdfctkMi) 

Amendment bill, 1972. 



195 Antiquities and 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Art Treasures Bill 196 


{Secretary] 

(2) The Indian Telegraph (Amendment) 
Bill, 1972. 


COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF 
MEMBERS FROM THE SITT- 
INGS OF THE HOUSE 

Seventh Report 

SHRI S. C. SAMANTA (TAMLUK) : I 
beg to present the Seventh Report of the 
Committee on Absence of Members from the 
Sittings of the House. 


13 hrs. 

ANTIQUITIES AND ART TREA- 
SURES BILL — Contd. 

MR. SPEAKER : The House will take 
up further consideration of the following 
motion moved by Prof. S. Nurual Hasan on 
the 23rd August, 1972, namely 

“That the Bill to regulate the export trade 
in antiquities and art treasures, to provide 
for the prevention of smuggling of, and 
fraudulent dealings in, antiquities, to pro- 
vide for the compulsory acquisition of 
antiquities and art treasures for preserva- 
» tion in public places and to provide for 
certain other matters connected therewith 
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken 
into consideration”. 

Shri Rudra Pratap Singh may now continue 
his speech. 

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t JTPm fT*TT qr^Tf fa fqgqqr, 

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53 3r3*ftq 333 % 3 T 33k 33OT, W| 53 

q«r ir ^ 3r% ft amw 33 qw # .,4^ 



205 Antiquities and 

4WT % WV t, *ft | 

3 ffc gift siTcf a?t *T*m& ifi I ^®T*FR 
tft | • 

the minister of education, 

SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : I plead not 
guilty. 

«ft VgWZ TPU : OTT SF55TSr*ft | I 
Sf^T 5°T § I Stfiff tjar ^Tcf 3m 
! ^rr jf i fwnr ! ffmr aft «Jter 
^rnrr aftr arOT ! §fr?r aft gr?T armr i 
m sftfafi f*nt f?T5TT *fcft aftf 

sftar fi^FT ?T & arm amrfafcrFT 
tr liffoFT fafafTT aft $Z arTOT ?T 
fapft ?! 3rrf 'ft art ?r| eft ?g fir ’tor 

tpt % an | nr ff^t ? 3PTT f*r ^st *tl 
Til ?|?T ?3T 3mit, ?ft STOTSf ^it??, 

3HT |, fi^ft 5i amT ?gt % fir*! 

?! 3TT?tft a! aftf f? 3Tg aft ?!<? VtZ 
arT?T ?T| eft ^ fc?T 'SnJftTT ?gt «TT fS 

m ?? 1 1 3ttt ot?? jt? ar|! far 
an ?g fct^? ?it «ir 1 ott ! fare ^ar 
ait f? fcu *t stot | rjmrr ?g »T5 tt ?if 

«TT I 

mra ?f «rr fir gOTft *fF?r% a! aft 
?F5? ft, wf^FT^T ?! 3ft ?ej? | ?g ?gT 
R ? it an?, gOTTt ?f?fi aft TOT 

arT? % fir! OTT fH cTTg aft ^aff aft 
Ttarai ?rgft | I %fir? OTT ! arg foal- 
'll ?! 3ft am a? i^Z «TT 3S ! ?| WTcT 
*ft aftr 1947 OT aft !af «n 3?! aft ?g 
*tT ftr : 

"Antiquities Export Control Act. 1947. 

"No persdn shall export any antiquity 
except under the authority of a licence 
granted by the Central Government.” 

5! IT?? $TOT *T5Tt It Ml *IT I 
aftfar! ftr 1947 % an? aftf 

9fwfr aFffaifdtJr ^rarr? frtarr^ aftr?| 


Art Treasures Bill 206 

amt Tent aft arr^T arm aftf arr£ aft 
^tar Hz ami | at wt ?? !ot fr 
TFaFeTT | I OTT T^t fir % OTT ft?!* 1 am 
ot sft ifa*?T 3 «rr ^*iif «tt fir anrr aftf 
aft firjft aran-Ffer aft arc^r $r 

annr =ar^r | eft ?| ^ r% fw! 'Rfimn % 

?rareTT | ar? am ! aft arinn war | ^f 
^ fi?f?5 nar | i ?ar^t f^FfFenn % 
arwrasiTt aftT arwrnfrnft aft eiaaftar ^t 
srrnrft i arn? fawt % am afrf aps^r 
fT yt 1 3ftr ^ ararr an nnt |, ar^r 
aft tot arT! ?tot aftf ?fr arfi 
airaT ara! wt Jr aft! strz ^t ^tar 
t^ot ?T?ar | ot| fainat ft aflm 
an it, eft <?nr firfi^T arf% 

|, ssaft TfsrTfiT % am sum |tar l ?f 
a:?nr | far n^f, Jf^ at vt% aTaran !ot it 
n^t i fiiT arm ar§! | fir sf? OT^ttr %nr 
itnr i ataT fanft ntar aft !nnr ffir at 
arm ar^ | fir fi?fa fi rtw^si5»i 
annr itar i 

!?n fiar artft ait !^r faraJf arft 
at aft % fir^ fiar am ^ar i 

Jt^ fa fans % nr! a^aiar !% 1 1 53 
aga aarata itar | !mrr far arfa 
ar??t Jf %fa?^wa mm wtzxt 1 1 am! ar?r 
far in aafiar arr! 1 1 %fira am ! fait 
3r??T aft! afaafs? aft ffirfaaa ait ?t 1 

am iot a«T% itaaa 8 atfar! 1 aa*f 
firerr gar | : 

* 

Every licence granted under this section 
shall be on payment of such fees as may be 
prescribed. 

Every licence granted under this section 
shall for such period, subject to such condi- 
tions and in such form and shall contain such 
particulars, as may be prescribed. 

Cl. 9 : (1) A licence granted under Section 
8 may, on an application made by the licencee, 
be renewed by the licensing officer for such 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 



207 Antiquities and AUGUST 25, 

[«ft sun] i 

period and on paymqftl of such fees as may 
be prescribed. \ 

Cl. 10 (1) Every holder of a licence granted 
under section 8.. .shall maintain such records, 
photographs., such particulars, as may be 
prescribed. 9 * 

13*28 hrs. 

[Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair ] 

5 *fm ^T^rr g fr am am *Pt 
TUfft tfftft? ft ^Rm | eft 3TN fsR 
T^Rt $ wf | ? qfar ifcSftftr, JTO 
Sfftftfts, m fU ifoftft? I I ft 3Rft ¥*P 
f TT «TRT ^t !Tf¥ w 7WT fr Thrift *ft 
ft«wpr | smft am mft «mft ^tt 

mgft 1 1 arrfer tfoftts mmi ftft ft w 

ftm | fa (rsffmr ferfft | ¥f 

fmt am f ret ft srRft 1 1 *f w ¥re qft 
turn ¥ff qrei fa sn cRf % «rrer tfaftj 
*Rft % W WTCT fkl I 5H 
^rr 1 1 

ft samr wr *rer ^farr ftfar 
^fTT rt^tt g fa : 

“which is as prescribed" 

?tpfi wt | ? anfe^ 19 ft am 

ft f ¥ <R ftt HR fc^T I f¥ affa 

Jfit ?¥ ¥^t *X TH>ft I I an<T ¥f ^ft 
| fa sft qfcr gtftt ¥g ftt ¥faftft¥ qrer 
ft ftftt I ¥PT am artf qfr* ft¥T 
«ngft | 

“But the rate of tax which is an essen- 
tial part of 'declaration and assessment 
have been completely delegated to the exe- 
cutive Government with no principle or 
basis laid down. Uncontrolled power is 
vested in the Executive to fix such rate 
as it pleases. In the absence of legislative 
provision regarding any policy or limits 
of assessment for guidance of a legislative 
authority, it must be held that the pro- 
visions of the section amount to excessive de- 
legation by legislative power, and, therefore, 
invalid.** 


1972 Art Treasures SOI 

am §for «Pt£ «tft crafts* *t gif 
qfte'tr sftaRSfcsr m.ft srrr^ 

fairer *¥*?$¥¥ 'star i amft *fi t % 

% fair wit ^tt q%*rr <*? 

5TTPFR®? I fm>T *RR¥ ¥f g3T fa 
f^tftm ¥ft fa¥T J??n I I 3TRT ¥ftt¥r 

wr g>n i anfan arret qre# ^ 

qwRnsR *pft»rr t far amft Tfaajre aft 
ftt fall I I gfftWT amft SRif 

*ft 1 1 gr$ % 3rf3R «ft anfftf 
ar?re ft fmr 1 1 msr ft ¥gf an tgr | w 
m «pt arro arretf wr | ? mar 
% ap^I^R I ¥T sp^rr ^T I aftr 

flfaart ¥<TT¥r | ft JTT 

snrf <R tftx ¥¥% «mr aft CRT 

f fsiaT^ft 5« e t><. ¥f ¥mft mTTcTT ^ I 
3R ¥f sft =#t3T | ¥f ftwn arm ft 
5!¥i^ft i anfm am^T ¥f w m | ? 
¥f ?r ¥^t | ¥ Pp 3ft narfar aftr am% 
sriaRiR | aft^ art ¥tft feft far^i srft 3nft 
| ¥¥apt Tt^*m ft i ¥Wt anq- ¥ft 
qritT | soft ft, arr'Ri ft? 

¥ft im arr'RT feqRft? % 
¥ff qiirr ¥f nsnr ¥ft x%r | aft^ 

^aftsrr ¥f gan | % anqft ^ *f fw ^ 
fap qim ^t ftt f *r ^Tetrt sngft 1 1 spr 
amft qran ¥t ^tsn aft ?nft ¥gar sarrer 
f>rr 1 trcr ¥5ftft?i¥ 

arrq ?r qR 1 ftfft ¥gar smart gwi¥ ftm 1 

5m«% qft fRftf* ap^ft aPT 5R¥ aft 
arrant 1 

Suppose you revoke the licence for a parti- 
cular person who holds licence ; you say, 1 
revoke today, without giving any reason. Now, 
you ask him : You please dispose of your 
property within such and such limit, within 
such and such months. He says : Nobody is 
ready to purchase it. You say, No. You say, 
no such thing shall be sold after a period of 
say, 6 months/ You say, from the date of 
revocation of licence. Why do you say like 
this ? Why don't you say, you can sell proper- 



201 Antiquities and BHADRA i, 1094 (SAKA) Art Treasures bitt 202 


irnm, fesft* JB a>*R ^ftfat 
faq faarar 3ft arta atf % 

| afa BRa ^aaapa ff $tft 
I fewa fefaa anaTT ft Bat f 
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ait % aftSt-artft Sr ^tbi aw bbbtbt 
af ft gqaft 3R# arfe %BR BT^T ^b Sat 
g?t «jf55R % *ft B^BBT fastft | I 
%ma !rf f fa bbb ia % afaTt % $fet 
at ft sncfy | frfaw waaia annft Ten aft 

BTctt I, at SRTTBt at Ba aft T5TT 

% fair smt anar afar i safeq tf 
I fa ftat SiRT 5ft 5B BT§ % ^TJT if 555ft 

§f f span smag aw lar arffq, 
^aar bw stsct arewr arfe aftr 
«1W ft BW 10 BT5T % fair grf oBBBTB 

aft arisrr aft £at arffq i 

?air < 3 i?aa afta aft at brt | i gaft 

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gasrar g far a?[ pitt arrcna art BBfert i 
?Bfarq 5yfefa gft qar SfBTR aft ftat Wife | 

cRBr, 5ft arfaar BTsffa c Pt BT& f ft 

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ag 3 T?$tr aft qr a#'ft i ?a aTg aft 
fomT arr ara ^aft aft TaraT arfgq i 

sa fasraar ft arfaf ara aft at aaf 1 1 
?a% art ft *m gara | far qar faraga . 
aaa flat wife, fawt qar sufa % $bt 
^T aBR gft aft ®tf Hi Blfe | JRT gSTB 
| far BB BBB if ?B BBB BB qar RiafttB 
Rata ft, qar <jfaa afsrarrft t| afk atBTT 
aft farw qtr 5TPPfTR ft g% TBT 5rT»n 

RTf^TT I 

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I ft? %atB Tfsrcert ft *pip aft 
a^nr TOtftr «ft»P[, am anaft f far xfa&x 
ft % ftft f — i?ar artaft sftr Tpr 
’tBaft i mraft ffrpn % faq | afta sraaft 
5 » Btnt % ^ | aflr *a aftat %%ti | 
at.SRiqRsarafr f I fpfel/ %a« TfSRrtf 


ft arm aft t a%ar i faaaft ?jt?€b fen 
am ga% aft f® fenr anr% i 
few ?a pt? % ft fa artn art wnarrt faw 
3 a aft ar^irfet aftr fnaalaf ff anarr 
arrar ar^tr |, af grft fa aft atift art 
a af arf, g?ft at a?ft art srrta \ a^ 
aft ftar aif^ far a^ araffta fa a?t 
a?fat arr sawn ar^ar f, ft a? a«rfifta 
aftr arata, aft ft saraR arr wa, -rft 
^ft atf aaaT ?ra art, a$ ferfa «5tar 
aft f i arta aw fara ^a ft amiT art a$ 
at faffaa ft arrar aiffq i 

aai^' aaa ftat atfe i at aarra Taft 
af f a^ aia f 1 5ft aaaw aft al<t arT^t 
ft aisr aft anft |, aft aratar ft aft ar^ 
f, ar^ft f far ar^T arrar f, $fr atat 
aT ^<rr at ar|T aft aTar, at ^ft atat % 
fatT eft gftt, ata aftt aftr 6 aftt at 
f b asna aft f aaat awt ft arft asrra 
fWt arfe i waart aar aw ft aw ata 
aT® ^t ftat arfe, af ^tt f?na f i 

la fwpaar t aaan^Rt ft *ft srat *pt 
fft wawr fiat aife aife ?fta aar^ft 
arf q aaT arr a t=a i aawt aararr 
srarft % aw % tart f , pt »mR aRt f , 
saaft fTt sraata aftr frt w ?a fataar 
% 5 TTi ftat arffq i fsrat at srfes »tat 
% Ra|T5w f, ar tfafa ataft tr f, ar art- 
a? saraifet % f, aft *ft^t, fa^tfaat, nra 
Tta anfa % sft aa^isra f ia pa ^taTaar 
art arat f twf 4 ^ tar aife i aftr aft 
BTarR aft %ai ar^tt, ^gat aat ’fta f , 
aw art f , faraat f, ?a marr tarpf BTaar 
% ata ftaT arffq i 

BTaar aft aat ant aft sata t Tatar 
ftar far art ffeaa snarr bt faa 
faf^t f i 3 r$t feeaft afa ft si^ aaat an 
%at f , aat «t? ft w ffea ®naiT «rr 
aaft a?i ¥s feaft ft aat f i aafeq 
feat % ott araar aft aftr ffeftafa 
fawra Tt arft fer? ffe arfe i qa? 



203 Antiquities anjt 

[sft WR^if TTa] , 
sariTTt arqif Rrfa?a *7 aforera arm 
argar $ eft »ft srf?ra?sr gtar arfgq 
f% ag Rrfaea fas 'ftfta? ar ^TTcTT ft, ag 
?fcrq>T 4>t, a% eft 3<ft atfra? ai& 54TaRt 
apt 3Rrft ata k I 4g agt ft? aatata spR 
if saaara arrt | eft srrata arra arir at 
ta % I 

f*T faaaar if OTfaar ?«TH apt at aaf 
1 1 arfaar *ara at qfaaar apt gfrrrr aaf 
gteft Tgt I, aft? ?tt% 'ftlll ageT % ^PTR 
aftT saaara feqra arit t| | i 7 ? aafafaa 
|fa srrfa?ap T*?ra, gT flTf % Etlfop 
war TRatfeT % %?sT aa t| |, afa 

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209 Antiquities and 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Art Treasures Bill 210 


t y any time but to that person who holds the 
licence. 

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In our opinion the provisions of Cl. 4(3) 
of the UP Coal Control Order must be held to 
be void as imposing unreasonable restriction 
upon the freedom of the trade and business 
guaranteed under Art. 19(1 )(g) of the Consti- 
tution and not coming within the protection 
afforded by Clause (6) of the Article. I want 
to quote other rulings why it should be sent 
to the Select Committee. 

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“On receipt of an application for the 
grant of a licence under section 7, the 
licensing officer may, after holding such 
inquiry as he deems fit, grant a licence to 
the applicant having regard to the follow- 
ing factors, namely...'* 

First you say, ‘as he deems fit’ ; then you lay 
down the criteria. In the end in (d) you 
say ‘such other factors as may be prescribed’. 
Once you have given the criteria... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That point is 
quite clear. 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : Let him continue. It is very impor- 
tant. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The main 
difficulty is that what can be said in two 
sentences is blown up into a hundred or two 
hundred sentences. 

iJvT TRT : I will just quote 
one sentence : 

“Today when the., peril to the individual 
comes not from the Monarch but from 
the departments of State, who seek some- 
times to take for themsefives powers which 
the law has not conferred upon them, 
let it be remembered that it is the duty of 
judges to see that the individual is pro- 
tected from whatever quarter he may be 
threatened and to see that justice is 
administered to him in accordance with 
law”— 

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*SHRI E. R KR1SHNAN (Salem) : Hon. 
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my 
party, the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, I 
rise to say a few words on the Antiquities and 
Art Treasures Bill 1972. The principal 
objective of this Bill is to provide legislative 
measures for controlling the export of objects 
of antiquarian or historical interest or signi- 
ficance. This Bill also seeks to piovide for 
the prevention of smuggling of and fraudulent 
dealing in antiquities The Government will 
have a direct say in the export of the anti- 
quities and art treasures. The export trade 
which is at present in the hands of private 
people will be strictly controlled thereafter. 
At the outset, I would suggest that no export, 
whether it is through the State institutions or 
through private sources, of antiquities and art 
treasures, which are the torch bearers of our 
ancient culture and civilisation, should be 
permitted. If these things of historical signi- 
ficance and interest are permitted to be ex- 
ported, it amounts to selling our ancient art 


and culture. I would strongly urge upon the 
hon. Minister of Education to ban completely 
the export of antiquities and art treasures. 

Sir, this Bill has been formulated on the 
basis of ths recommendations of a Committee 
headed by Shri B. Venkataraman, who was 
a Joint Secretary in the Ministry of Home 
Affairs. 1 am not able to appreciate the 
relationship between the Joint Secretary in the 
Ministry of Home Affairs and the antiquities 
and art treasures, which are thousands of 
years old. The news about this Bill appeared 
in the newspapers on 27 3.1970 and after two 
and a half years it has come up before this 
House. During the past three years, 2272 
valuable art objects and antiquities had been 
stolen. In 1969 the number of thefts was 
691 ; in 1970, 675 and in 1971, 906. So far 
we have found out only 415 pieces. On 
18.6.1971 nearly 100 valuable paintings had 
been stolen from Khajurao in Madhya Pra- 
desh. From the Prince of Wales Museum in 
Bombay, during 1970 about 426 bronze statues 
of South India had been stolen. 

Last year in a place called Sivapuri in 
Tamil Nadu a statue was found out by a 
local man. He understood the value of this 
statue and immediately with the help of a 
local sculptor got an imitation of the statue 
made, which he surrendered to the Depart- 
ment. He sold away the original to a 
Bombaywala for Rs. 20,000, who in turn 
sold it to an Englishman for Rs. 2 lakhs. 
The Englishman then sold it to an American 
for Rs. 75 lakhs This is the Nataraja statue 
of Chola regime, which is known for its 
artistic beauty. A case has been instituted 
by the Tamil Nadu Government to recover 
this statue of great artistic value and cultural 
importance for the people of Tamil Nadu. 
I would request the hon. Minister, through 
you, to extend all his assistance to the Tamil 
Nadu Government in recovering this statue. 
If this measure had been introduced and got 
passed earlier, as it was announced 2\ years 
ago, all these thefts and large-scale smuggling 
could have been averted. 

Sir, in 1966 a review Committee was 
appointed to enquire into these things. I 
would like to know from the hon. Minister 
how far the recommendations of this Review 
Committee had been implemented by the 
Government. In 1965, the Committee headed 


*The original speech was delivered in Tamil, 



213 Antiquities and 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Art Treasures Bill 214 


by Sir Mortimer Wheeler, the world renowned 
archaeologist, submitted its report containing 
25 important recommendations. 1 would like 
to know from the hon. Minister the action 
taken by the Government on these 25 major 
recommendations. Sir, I would also request 
the bon. Minister the reasons for the sudden 
resignation of Shri B. B. Lai, who was the 
Director-General of Archaeology. He was 
acclaimed all over the world as an eminent 
archaeologist. 

Sir, the Tamil Nadu Government has 
given a poineering lead to other States in our 
country by proposing to set up an Institute 
for the Study of Epigraphy. The Central 
Government should come forward to extend 
all assistance in making this laudable venture 
a success. 

In June 1970 under the auspices of 
UNESCO a conference of more than 80 
countries; whose leading archaeologists parti- 
cipated in this Conference, to devise suitable 
measures for preventing smuggling in art 
objects. I do not know whether our country 
participated in the co/jferencc. If we had 
participated in this Conference, I would like to 
know from the hon. Minister the action taken 
by the Government on the recommendations 
made by this Conference. 

Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao, the former Minister 
of Education, in reply to a question stated 
on the floor of this House that from nearly 
15000 monuments of historical importance m 
our country every year about 1000 art 
objects are stolen and smuggled out of the 
country. Just like the gang indulging in 
preparing and circulating counterfeit coins and 
notes in the country, there is a well organised 
gang which is engaged in stealing valuable 
art objects and smuggling them outside 
country. This gang is very active throughout 
the country, from Himalayas to Cape 
Camorin. I hope that through the provisions 
of this Bill, the Government will take 
effective punitive measures to smash this gang 
once for all. As I stated initially, I hope 
that the Government will ban the export of 
art [treasures and antiquities, whether it is 
through' State agencies or through private 
agencies. After all what do we gain by selling 
our ancient culture and symbols of our ancient 
civilisation ? The party foreign exchange 
which we* may get through this export is not 
tantamount to our ancient culture. We 
should not allow our symbols of cultural 


heritage to be paraded in the shops and draw* 
ing rooms of western countries. If the 
foreign museums want to possess something 
of ancient India's culture, then we can take 
photographs of these antiquities and supply to 
them. The export should be completely 
banned. 

Sir, hundreds of old temples, the pride of 
Tamil Nadu, are under the control and 
management of the Department of Archaeo- 
logy of the Central Government, I can call 
this as a dog in the manger policy ; the dog 
will not allow the cow to eat the hay nor will 
it eat itself. Neither the Department of 
Archaeology of the Central Government is able 
to protect and to preserve these hundreds of 
temples, which were built hundreds of years 
ago by the great sculptors of Tamil Nadu, nor 
the State Government is allowed to maintain 
and preserve them. If the Central Govern- 
ment had been able to give adequate pro- 
tection to these temples, such a large scale 
thieving and smuggling would not have 
occurred. When the State Government of 
Tamil Nadu, in diference to the demands of 
the people of Tamil Nadu, wanted to erect a 
statue of Raja Raja Chola within the precints 
of Brhdeeswara Temple— Raja Raja Chola 
was the builder of this world famous temple — 
the Central Government refused the permis- 
sion to do so. But thousands of antiquities 
and art objects, which are invaluable for 
understanding ancient India’s cultural 
achievements are allowed to be stolen and 
smuggled out of India. It will be in the 
fitness of things that the Central Government 
should empower the State Governments to 
protect and preserve the ancient monuments 
and art treasures. The State Governments 
alone, which are nearer to the location of these 
monuments, will be able to preserve and main- 
tain them. 

Before I conclude, I would urge upon the 
hon, Minister to ban completely the export 
of antiquities and art treasures, I would 
request him also, taking assistance from the 
provisions of this Bill, to smash the gang 
engaged — I am sure that this gang consists 
of a number of members from affluent sections 
of our society— in stealing and smuggling them 
outside the country. The ancient culture 
which is the breath of the people of our 
country should be at all costs protected. The 
Government cannot barter the spring board 
of our cultural life for a pittance of foreign 
exchange. On the other hand, every effort 



AUGUST 25, 1972 


Art Treasures Bill 216 


215 Antiquities and 


[Shri E. R. Krishnan] 

must be made to protect, to preserve and to 
maintain them for postferity. 

With these words, 1 conclude. 

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI 
(Lakhimpur) : Mr. Deputy -Speaker, Sir, at 
the very outset, I would like to congratulate 
the Minister in charge of education for bring- 
ing such a comprehensive Bill for the pre- 
servation of antiquities and art treasures in 
the country. Antiquities and art treasures are 
not only the ruins and remnants of the past 
for our reminiscence, but they are a source of 
inspiration for the present and a guiding force 
in the future. From that point of view, 
every citizen is concerned with the antiquities 
of the country and art traasures that belong to 
us. 

For the first time, in the year 1894, there 
was an enactment for the preservation of 
antiquities and art treasures in the country, 
but that Act was quite insufficient. In 1904, 
Lord Curzon, who, though he was known in 
Bengal as durjan , was a great lover of anti- 
quities, passed an Act for the preservation of 
ancient monuments in the country. 

In this Bill the object is stated to be two- 
fold — to regulate the export of antiquites and 
art treasures and to preserve it. 1 would 
have been more happy if the emphasis had 
been more on the preservation side than on 
regulating the export of antiquities and art 
treasures. 

Elaborate arrangements have been made 
for export of antiquities and art treasures 
from this country abroad. Certain dealers 
are dealing in antiquities and sometimes 
they are smuggling them. Thefts have 
occurred not only;, in temples and ancient 
places but in museums too. There are 
newspaper reports that certain valuable 
antiquities have been removed from certain 
museums. It is anybody's guess that 
employees of the museums are also invol- 
ved in such thefts. Therefore, along with 
the measures taken for regulating this 
trade, government should ensure that no 
employee is in any way involved in such 
smuggling or trade. Drastic action should 
be taken against those persons who are sus- 
pected of doing such things or who have 
been in collusion with smugglers and thieves. 


Since I may not get a chance to speak 
on the clauses, I would like to make my 
observations on some of the clauses. Clause 
3 says that the Act may come into force in 
different States on different dates. An un- 
scrupulous person may remove an antiquity 
from a State where the Act is in force to 
another State where it is not in force and 
thereby may go scotfree Therefore, I would 
suggest that the Act should come into force 
in all the States on the same date so that such 
things cannot happen. 

Clause 2(25) says that antiquities should 
be at least 100 years old and in a subse- 
quent clause it is stated that at least 75 
years time should pass. I would suggest a 
period of 50 years, instead of 75 years, on 
the pattern of the Copyright Act which 
provides that after 50 yeans of the death of 
an author a manuscript becomes a national 
property. 

Then there is a provision for an expert 
committee. It is not mentioned anywhere 
clearly except in the expenditure item where 
it is mentioned that for TA and DA some 
amount may be necessary. I do not know 
what will be the composition of such an 
expert committee. The Director-General of the 
Archaeological Survey of India is made the 
sole arbiter in some matters. Archaeology has 
three mam branches, namely, iconography, epi- 
graphy and numismatics. He has nothing to do 
withpainting and other things. Therefore, if he 
is not having the advice of experts, he will not 
be in a position to decide which matter is 
really of great value and which is not. 
Therefore, there must be provision of a statu- 
tory nature to have an expei ts committee to 
advise the Director-General of Archaeology. 

In clause 8, which deals with the quali- 
fications of dealers, exemption has been pro- 
vided in the case of those dealers where ten 
years have expired after their conviction for 
smuggling or theft. Why should such leniency 
shown or concession given to a person who 
has been convicted of smuggling or theft of art 
treasures 7 Once a person is convicted, be 
should never be appointed again. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : May I point 
out that 3* this stage the clauses cannot be 
referred to individually ? He can only refer to 
the principles. 



217 Antiquities and 

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI : I 
may not get a chance to speak on the 

clauses. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That does not 
mean that the procedure should be violated. 

SHRI BISWANARAYAN SHASTRI : 
Therefore, I do not refer to particular clauses. 

I would like to say regarding general 
provision that there must be great emphasis 
on the preservation of those antiquities and 
art treasures in the country. 

The museums run by the civic bodies and 
registered societies should also be given some 
sanctity and protection so that they can also 
collect, preserve and exhibit such things for 
the benefit of the public. Here, I have seen 
only the Government museums and other 
things that are provided. 

In order to regulate exports, I would 
like to say that there should be some prohibi- 
tory order to the effect that certain things, 
certain antiquities, certain art treasures, should 
not be exported under any circumstances 
because these are precious things. They cannot 
be sold out. 

I would like to conclude by saying one 
thing. Regarding the fixation of price where 
the compulsory acquisition is provided, in the 
fust place, it has been provided that it will 
be by an agreement between the seller and 
the officer who acquires it. It is our common 
experience that even inferior things are sold 
at higher prices. Therefore, there must be 
some adviser or an expert committee to deter- 
mine the price of such antiquities. Otherwise, 
a thing of inferior value may be sold at a 
higher price and the thing of superior value 
may be sold at a lower price. 

With these words, I commend the Bill for 
the acceptance of the House. 

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Vishnu and his consort were found at 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 



219 Antiquities an4 

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archaeologically important,’*... 

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Art Treasures Bill 220 

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MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : Car. that be 
provided in this Bill ? 

ft q qr qiTOiq ftft .’ This can be the 
second Bill, I am giving certain suggestions 
that it should be modified. When Government 
would like to stop exports and smuggling, 
Government can go a step forward. 

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| I tTOTqre f TOqTT to f q?rqq frog 


AUGUST 25, 1972 



BHADRA 3, 1894 {SAKA) 


Art Treasures Bill 222 


221 Antiquities and 


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SHRl BANAMAL1 PATNAIK (Puri) : 
Sir, this is a welcome measure though long 
overdue. 

In this connection, I would like to mention 
a few points. There are a large number of 
temples in Orissa which are in dilapidated 


condition but not protected under the Ancient 
Monuments Preservation Act. There are only, 
as Mr Jagannatha Rao Joshi just now said, 
sign-boards, and there the duty ends. 

• I would like to mention here about the 
village of Hirapur where there is the temple 
of Chausati Joginis. Unfortunately, some of the 
Joginis have been stolen away though the 
temple is preserved by the Government of 
India. Similarly, in the village of Chaurasi, 
there are 84 temples and 84 deities but there 
is only one temple preserved, known as Barahi 
temple. That is the only temple protected 
but it is only preservation by name. The 
temple has developed cracks and it is suscep- 
tible to rain and destruction. No steps have 
been taken for its repairs. There is only one 
guard posted there to look after these monu- 
ments but he does not stay there. 

Then there are a large number of small 
deities in that Prachi valley which were exca- 
vated by the Government of India at a cost of 
a few lakhs but the excavations are not preser- 
ved. Many of them have been stolen away and 
we do not know where they have gone. They 
have gone with the connivance of those in 
charge of them. Otherwise, these things could 
not have happened. 

Recently there has been an excavation done 
in Ratnagiri by Smt. Devala Mitra who exca- 
vated but all those things are not to be found 
there. They have been removed from that 
place because that place is not accessible. If 
that place is not accessible and if you go 
there, how can you read the history ? If there 
are such places, those places should be preser- 
ved and a museum should be attached there. 

There is another temple which is known 
Alala Nath, derived from the word ‘Alwars* 
and thfs temple which is connected with the 
Jagannath temple of Puri has its importance 
because of the Twelve Alwars and it has some 
connection with Tamil. All the inscriptions 
there and the Tamra Patras have been lost. 
I myself reported it to the Government of 
India. Dr Raghavan of Madras University is 
aware of it as I had personally told about 
the Tamra Patras. But these things are now 
missing because there was no proper authority 
to be handed over for preservation. 

Now, another point. If you do not know 
what are the monuments to be preserved, how 



227 Antiquities and 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Art Ti ensures BUI 228 


[Prof. S. Nurul Hasan] 

For example, if I may make a personal 
confession, in spite of the kindness of the 
gracious lady to help me see the records of 
Akbar’s reign in the house of Jaipur there are 
no records so far located of Akbar’s reign. 
This is so surprising, considering 1 that there 
was no noble who was closure to Akbar than 
Raja Man Singh, and even though in petty 
houses in various parts of U.P., Punjab and 
Rajasthan, documents of Akbar’s icign are 
available, it is very surprising that in the 
house which was closest to Akbar there is no 
document of Akbari period available. 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
’ JAIPUR : I am afraid, and 1 know, that in 
the house of Jaipur, there is no document of 
Maharaja Jai Singh either. The Rajasthan 
Government have taken them all. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I am 
referring to the documents I had occasion to 
see earlier ; as I said, nothing pains me more. 
But I must submit that I am a professional 
historian. I have been going into these 
matters. I have been taking interest in these 
matters. All that must say is that I wish 
this consciousness of records and of the art 
treasures had been as universal as is the desire 
of this whole House, and I share that desire, 
and 1 think that all our people are becoming 
more and more conscious of their importance. 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : May I just ask the hon. Minister 
one thing ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is one too 
many. 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : It is nothing to do with Rajasthan 
or Jaipur. I am referring now to the Palace 
in Calcutta ; it is falling into pieces. I am 
asking the hon. Minister to recommend that 
to the West Bengal Government for being 
taken over. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I wish this 
had been an occasion to discuss the function- 
ing of the Archaeological Survey of India. 
I would be very glad to answer all the 
questions that have been raised by the hon. 
Member, but unfortunately, the scope of the 
Bill is rather limited. Therefore, I purpose 


to confine my remarks to some of the points 
that have been raised. A point has been 
quite rightly raised that there might be 
procedural difficulties in registration. I can 
give this assurance to the House that when 
framing the rules, we shall take proper care 
to ensure that the registration is facilitated. 

My hon. friend Shri Jharkhande Rae has 
made one observation which has pained me, 
and 1 consider it my duty to make a state- 
ment about that. That is with regard to the 
Director-General of Archaeological Survey of 
India and to the officers of the Archaeological 
Survey of India.- If there is any specific 
complaint, I any willing to look into it, but 
1 feel that it is most unfair to have such a 
general charge being mentioned in the House. 
I would like to state that I have my confidence 
in the officers of the Archaeological Survey of 
India, and I wish to take this opportunity 
of paying a tribute to their ability and to 
the devotion with which they have been doing 
their work. 

As regards the point raised by my hon. 
friend Shri M. C. Daga, I am afraid I am 
unable to understand part of the point 

SHRI V1KRAM CHAND MAHAJAN 
(Kangra) : He may be asked to repeat it 
again. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I just do 
not know how this is going to stifle art. I 
think that there is no question of any living 
artist being brought within the purview of the 
present Act. 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : Whom will the artists produce for 7 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : If she 
wishes to have a dialogue, I am quite willing, 
and I request I may be permitted to use 
rather strong words 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : What Shri M. C. Daga meant 
was ‘whom will the artist produce for ?’ 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I am in 
your hands, Sir. If you permit me, 1 shall 
answer every point raised by the hon. lady. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : 
Please permit him, Sir, because we want to 
hear him. 



229 Antiquities and 


BHADRA 3. 1894 (SAKA) 


Art Treasures Bill 230 


PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : Sir, the 
important point that has been raised by the 
hon. Member is with regard to the fees, and he 
referred to all the rulings about taxes. 
A fee is not a tax, and there is a basic 
difference between a fee and a tax, and, there- 
fore, that point does not arise. 

I had referred in my original speech to 
the fact that at the UNESCO convention, 
certain countries were dragging their feet. 
Unfortunately, this House does not have 
control over the UNESCO, It has only control 
over the the Indian delegation which goes and 
makes a submission to the UNESCO. There- 
fore, to leave the question of the export of 
antiquities to UNESCO over which this 
House has no control, does not, I think, 
meets with the wishes of this House. 

My hon. friend from the DMK probably 
did not bother to listen to my short and brief 
introductory speech. Otherwise, he would 
not have raised some of the points which he 
raised. I admire him for taking every 
opportunity to say how wonderful the govern- 
ment of Tamil Nadu is. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is his 
job. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : That is his 
job. I remember a statement by Ichhkov of 
Russia. In 1875, he started a war scare by 
saying “If Germany attacks France, then 
Russia would go to the assistance of France.” 
Then Bismarck remarked that “If Ichhkov so 
desires, I am quite willing to have five-franc 
pieces stiuck with the legend ‘Ichhkov, the 
protector of France*. But why start a war 
scare ?’* 

I entirely agree that the antiquities should 
not be exported for money. That point has 
quite rightly been made out. Even the Central 
Government cannot now export without under- 
going all the processes— 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : The point 
raised by Mr. Jharkhande Rai was that they 
are being sold by those R^jas. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : After this 
Sill, it will not be possible. That is why I have 
pleaded in this House that this Bill may bo 
approved as soon as possible, and if any fur- 
ther points are to be raised, I am quite willing 


to come before this bon. House and say, 
“Please add this one and please add that 
one.” 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Unless it is 
assented to by the President, they can sell 
them. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : No. The 
present rules have certain lacunae, although 
even with the present rules, export without 
licence is not possible. This Bill is seeking to 
plug all these loopholes so that it should not 
be possible to sell any of our antiquities 
abroad. That is the whole intention of the 
Government. 

The question of the Brihadeeswara temple 
was raised by my hon. friend. I had a talk 
with my calleague, the Education Minister 
of Tamil Nadu, and there, I said, let us 
appoint a committee consisting of the Direc- 
tor of Archaeology of Tamil Nadu, a repre- 
sentative ol the Director-General of Archaeo- 
logical Survey of India and any professor of 
archaeology or ancient history in any of the 
universities of Tamil Nadu. Let them say that 
from an expert point of view the site which 
was chosen for installing a modern statue was 
proper. Then I would accept it. I do not 
think that these matters should be made into 
a question of Centre-States controversy. We 
are all on the same side of the fence. There 
is no difference between the States and the 
Centre in the desire to preserve our antiqui- 
ties. But it was a question of the specialists, 
versus the generalists. I have every respect 
for the generalists, but there are occasions 
when expert opinion ought to be accepted. 

I had the privilege of being a member of 
the Wheeler Committee myself, and I can 
assure the hon. Member that I shall do all 
that lies in my power to see that its 
recommendations, as far a9 they lie within 
the power of the Government, are implemented 
as quickly as possible. 

The hon. Member Shri Shastri raised the 
question of authority. That has to be deter- 
mined by the rules. So far as the question 
of price is concerned, there is already an 
Art Purchases Committee, a Committee of 
experts, which takes decisions on these 
points. 

I entirely agree that every step should be 
taken to see that the protected monuments aej 



231 Antiquities and 


AUGUST 25, 1972 


Art Treasures Bill 232 


[Prof. S. Nurul Hasan] 

really protected. The Government of India 
have recently appointed a very large number 
of chowkidars to look after the monuments 
to ensure that thefts do not take place. We 
are also considering several steps and getting 
the co-operation of the State Governments 
for this. This point, which was raised by 
Sbri Jagannathrao Joshi, is quite correct. I 
entirely agree with him. My only point is that 
1 do not know whether I can prohibit the 
export of thought from India. 

SHRI MANORANJAN HAZRA : 1 raised 
the question of Kohinoor, which is a matter of 
national honour. I want some clarification on 
this. 

PROF. S NURUL* HASAN : If it had 
been in the power of this House, I would have 
run to Britain aud brought it back myself. 

SHRI M ATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : I am not trying to have a dia- 
logue. Has the Kohinoor originally come from 
India or from Persia ? 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : Originally 
it has come from what is now known as 
Andhra Pradesh. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now put 
to the vote amendment No. 1 moved by Shri 
M. C. Daga for reference of the Bill to a 
Select Committee. 

Amendment No. 1 was put and negatived 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That the Bill to regulate the export 
trade in antiquites and art treasures, to 
provide for the prevention of smuggling 
of, and fraudulent dealings in, antiquities, 
to provide for the compulsory acquisition 
of antiquities and art treasures for preser- 
vation in public places and to provide for 
certain other matters connected therewith 
or incidental or ancillary thereto, be taken 
into consideration.*' 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We will now 
take up clause-by-clausc consideration. 


Clause 2— (Definitions) 

Amendment made : 

“Page 2,- 

for lines 9 and 10, substitute— 

“for the purposes of this Act, which 
has been in existence for not less 
than one hundred years ; and” (2) 

(Prof. S . Nurul Hasan) 

SHRIMATI GAYATRI DEVI OF 
JAIPUR : I beg to move : 

Page 2 , — 

omit lines 1 and 2. (13) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now 
put amendment No, 13, moved by Shrimati 
Gayatn Devi, to the vote of the House, 

Amendment No. 13 was put and negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 

is : 

“That clause 2, as amended, stand part of 
the Bill’* 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 2, as amended \ was added to the 
Bill. 

Clause 3 — (Regulation in export trade in 
antiquities and art treasures) 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move : 
Page 2,— 

after line 32, insert— 

“Provided that in special circums- 
tances, the person who wants to ex- 
port any antiquity or art-treasure 
and has obtained the permission of 
the prescribed authority, may export 
the same.” (3) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now 
put amendment No. 3, moved, by Shri Daga, 
to the vote of the House. 

Amendment No. 3 was put and negatived. 



233 Antiquities and 


BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) 


Art Treasures bill 234 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 

is : 

“That clause 3 stand part of the Bill" 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 3 was added to the Bill- 

Clause 4 to 7 were added to the Bill . 

Clause 8— (Grant of licence) 

SHR1 M. C. DAGA : I beg to move : 

Page 3, lines 23 and 24,— 

omit “after holding such inquiry as he 
deems fit,” (5) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now 
put amendment No. 5, moved by Shn Daga, 
to the vote of the House. 

Amendment No. 5 was put and negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That cfause 8 stand part of the Bill" 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 8 was added to the Bill . 

Clauses 9 to 11 were added to the Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are two 
amendments given notice of by Shri Daga. Is he 
moving them ? 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I am not moving 
them. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Then, I put 
clauses 12 to 17 together to the vote of the 
House. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 12 to 17 stand part of the 
Bill" 

The motion was adopted . 

Clauses 12 to 17 were added to the Bill . 


Clause 18— (Provisions of sections 14, 16 
and 17 not to apply in certain cases) 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move : 

Page 6, line 25, — 
add at the end— 

“and in the educational institutions 
and places of worship.” (8) 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I beg to 
move : 

Page 6, line, 24 — 
for “archive,” substitute — 

“archive ; or” (11) 

Page 6, — 

after line 24, insert — 

“(iv) in an educational or cultural 
institution/* (12) 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : They have accepted 
one part of my amendment already. These 
words “educational or cultural institution” 
have been added by an amendment moved by 
the Government. I have mentioned also 
“Places of worship”. But they say, only edu- 
cational or cultural. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : My point 
is that the place of worship cannot be owned, 
controlled and managed by the Government. 
Therefore, I have re-phrased it to bring it 
under the qualifying clause educational or 
cultural institution owned, controlled and 
managed by the Government, 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : There is a con- 
tradiction. He says that the place of worship 
cannot be controlled by the Government. It is 
felt by everybody that jGod is everywhere. 
When they are controlling all the other places, 
why should they not control temples and 
other places of worship also ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : First I put 
amendment No. 8 moved by Shri Daga to the 
vote of the House. 

Amendment No. 8 was put and negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I put 
amendment Nos. 11 and 12 to clause 18 



235 Antiquities and Jrl AUGUST 25, 1972 Mines and Minerals ( Regn . 236 

Treasures Bill and Dev.) Arndt . Bill 


[Mr. Deputy-Speaker] 

moved by Prof. Nurul Hasan to the vote of 
the House. 

The question is : 

Page 6, line 24— 
for ‘'archive,*' substitute — 

“archive ; or” (11) 

Page 6, — 

after line 24, insert — 

(iv) in an educational or cultural 
institution," (12) 

The motion was adopted . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

"That Clause 18, as amended, stand part 
of the Bill” 

The motion was adopted . 

Clause 18, as amended , was added to the 
Bill . 

Clause 19— {Power of Central Government 
to compulsorily acquire antiquities and 
art treasures) 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : I beg to move : 

Page 6, lines 33 to 35, — 

for "and it shall be lawful for the 
Collector to take possession of such 
antiquity or art treasure, for which 
purpose the Collector may use such 
force as may be necessary." 

substitute 

"and if the owner of the antiquity or 
art treasure objects to the decision of 
the Government, he may within a 
period of thirty days from the date of 
the intimation, make a representation 
to the Central Government putting 
forth his objections." (9) 

Page 6, — 

omit lines 36 to 40. (10) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 shall now 


put Amendments 9 and 10, moved by Shn 
M. C. Daga to Clause 19 to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendments Nos. 9 and 10 were put and 
negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

"That clause 19 stand part of the Bill." 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 19 was added to the Bill . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are no 
further amendments. I shall put the rest of 
the Clauses and the rest of the Bill to the vote 
of the House. 

The question is : 

"That Clauses 20 to 3?, Clause 1, the 

Enacting Formula and the Title stand part 

of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 20 to 33, Clause 1, the Enacting 
Formula and the Title were added to the 
Bill. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I beg to 
move : 

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

"That the Bill, as amended, be passed." 

The motion was adopted 


14.42 hrs. 

MINES AND MINERALS (REGULA- 
TION AND DEVELOPMENT) 
AMENDMENT BILL 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF STEEL AND MINES (SHRI 


*OKr 



1 ev.) Arndt. BUI 238 


237 Mines and Minerals BHADRA 3, 1894 ( SAKA ) 
(Regn. and 


SHAHNAWAZ KHAN) : I beg to move* : 

<( That the Bill further to amend the Mines 

and Minerals (Regulation and Develop- 
ment) Act, 1957, be taken into considera- 
tion.” 

This is a veiy simple but very important 
Bill that this is being brought forward before 
the House. The Mines and Minerals (Regu- 
lation and De\e!orffent) Act 1957 was enacted 
with a view to promoting and de\elopmg the 
mines m this ceuntiy. This Act has been in 
operation since 1957, during which period the 
countiy has made tremendous progress and 
advances in mines For instance, the coal 
production has increased from 39 million ton- 
nes in 1955 to 75 million tonnes by the end of 
1V71. Iron ore production has increased 
from 4.7 million tonnes to 33 million tonnes 
and so have all the other minerals like bau- 
xite, copper, zinc. The industries which 
depend on the use of minerals as feedstock 
have also made gigantic strides. Progress in 
respect of lion and steel, fertiliser, cement, 
chemical and other industries, not to speak of 
power generation, could not have been possi- 
ble without a parallel growth in the mining 
industry. In all this growth, a dominant role 
has been played by the public sector, and it 
has been established beyond doubt that rapid 
industrial development can take place only 
when an integrated approach is built up thro- 
ugh the public sector. A stage has now been 
reached when, unless proper integration is 
brought about between the discovery, develop- 
ment and production of minerals on the one 
hand and the industries based on these mine- 
rals on the other, difficulties will be faced in 
maintaining rapid and even growth in all sec- 
tors. Time has, therefore, come when a 
suitable legislative framework should be provi- 
ded to permit rapid development of mineral 
industries at minimum cost to the nation and 
to the tax payer. 

The industrial Policy Resolution of 1956 
imposed a responsibility on the Central Go- 
vernment for regulation and development of 
minerals, By and large, over these 15 years 
it has been found possible to maintain a degree 
of co-operation and co-ordination between the 
Centre on the one hand and the States on the 
other, which is essential for the proper deve- 
lopment of mines and minerals. It has been 

•Moved with the recommendation of the 


our experience that' the State Governments 
have played a significant role in promoting 
the growth of the mining sector through their 
administration of the laws and regulations 
relating to mines and mining. 

The development targets for electricity, 
steel, fertilisers, aluminium, copper, zinc, 
cement and other products based on minerals 
during the fifth and sixth plans will call for a 
scale of development of mineral resources of 
the country of much larger dimensions than 
has been experienced in the past. It will be 
necessary to break through many established 
conceptions and to initiate many bold steps 
if the country is to go forward to the attain- 
ment of these targets— targets which are essen- 
tial for our survival as an economically self- 
reliant nation. Time has, therefore, come to 
see whether the legal framework is adequate 
for the attainment of these objectives. 

Over the years the Central Government 
has developed an institutional framework for 
periodical consultation both with the mining 
interests as well as with the State Governments 
with regard to the administration of the laws 
affecting mines and mining as well as the pro- 
gress in implementation of development tar- 
gets. The Mineral Advisory Board, consisting 
of representatives of all State Governments 
and Union Territory Administrations as well as 
representatives of associations of mine-owners 
and Chamber of Commerce, has met on an 
average once a year during the 18 years for 
this purpose. It has been possible through 
these meetings for the representatives of the 
Government and those of the mining industry 
to sit around the same table for detailed dis- 
cussion on the problems facing the miniog 
industry, with particular reference to the legi- 
slative framework provided by the Mines and 
Minerals (Regulation and Development) Act. 
Much valuable information has thereby been 
collected and made use of, whenever possible, 
either in policy framing or in legislation. 
Similarly, with the purpose of a closer inte- 
grated approach in the framing of legislative 
policies and in the administration of the rele- 
vent laws, an annual conference of State 
Ministers in charge of geology and mining 
has been held during the last few years. This 
conference also provided a forum for exchange 
of experiences and mutual consultations. 

Largely, as a result of the discussions 
President, 



239 Mines and Minmls AUGUST 25, 1972 Dev.) Arndt. BiU 240 

(Regn. and 


[Shri Shahnawaz Khan] 

held in the Mineral Advisory Board, it appea- 
red necessary to bring about certain modifica- 
tions in the Mines and Minerals (Regulation 
and Development) Act so as to remove certain 
lacunae as well as to introduce certain new 
provisions in keeping with the emerging pat- 
tern of development. Notably, the land reform 
measures carried out in various States reveal 
the need for modifying the Mines and Mine- 
rals (Regulation and Development) Act in 
such a manner as to remove the last vestiges 
of the old system of landlordism in the field 
of minerals. The experience of the admini- 
stration of the Land Reforms Act, particularly 
in such States as Bihar and West Bengal, 
underlined the need for streamlining certain 
provisions which have been incorporated in 
clause 9 of the Bill under consideration. 

In addition to the above, the amendments 
now proposed incorporate new thinking 
with regard to the imposition of a ceiling on 
individal holdings of mining leases. Members 
will agree that it will be in consonance with 
the spirit of the times if some limit was impo- 
sed on the extent of mineral concessions an 
individual can hold so that, without in any way 
discouraging small scale mining activities, 
provision is also made against concentration 
of wealth in the field of minerals. The 
amendments also cover mineral concessions in 
respect of minerals underlying the ocean 
within the territorial waters or the continental 
shelf of India. The measure has become 
necessary in view of the new vistas that have 
opened up by the emergence of new methods 
of mineral exploration and exploitation under 
the sea. 

In drawing up of development plants for 
industry it is essential also to have as precise 
a knowledge as possible of the extent of reser- 
ves of the minerals which will provide the 
raw materials for these industries. At present 
the assessment of such reserves is possible only 
in respect of lands over which no prospecting 
licence or mining lease has been granted to 
any person. However it is common know- 
ledge that large areas are held under prospect- 
ing lease about which precise information 
about the extent of reserves is not available. 

It is now proposed by one of the amendments 
vide Clause 11 of the Bill, by which the 
Central Government may authorise the GSI 
or any other agency to go and explore for * 
minerals within such areas. 


Certain other amendments are being 
proposed on the suggestion of various State 
Governments such' as enhancement of penalties 
for infringement of the Mineral Concession 
Rules, creation of a first charge on the assets 
of the holder of mining lease on account of 
mining dues and applicability of Minor Mine- 
ral Rules to quarry leases. 

Finally, it has been the view of many 
State Governments, which the Central Govt, 
fully shares, that the existence of mining leases 
should not be allowed to stand in the way of 
development of an industry of national 
importance. There are instances where the 
existence of such private interests proved to 
be a stumbling block in the way of smooth 
functioning of the industries in the public 
sector. Clause 2 of the Bill accordingly 
provides that if the public interest so demands 
the Central Government, in consultation with 
the State Governments, may request the State 
Governments to make a premature termination 
of such a mining lease and to grant that area 
to a public sector corporation. 

Sir, I move. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPKAKER : There are 
notices of two amendments. One is by Shri 
Modi and the other by Shri Daga. Mr. 
Daga is not present. Do you want to move 
Mr Modi ? 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI (Sikar) : I 
do not want to move. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER So, these 
are not moved. 

Motion moved : 

“That the Bill further to amend the Mines 

and Minerals (Regulation and Develop- 
ment) Act, 1957, be taken into consi- 
deration.” 

Shri Haider. 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER 
(Ausgram) : Sir, 1 support the amendments 
in general. It took 14 years for the Govern- 
ment to rectify the defects in the functioning 
of the Mines and Minerals. I agree with the 
following principal points : — 

(i) Imposition of a ceiling on individua 
holdings of prospecting licences and I 
mining leases ; 


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(Regn. and Dev.) Arndt. Bill Comm. Rep. 


(ii) Imposition of a speacific obligation 
on holders of mining leases in respect 
of payment of royalty for minerals 
removed by their agents, sub-lessees 
or employees ; 

(iii) Provision of a statutory basis for 
calculation of dead rent ; 

(iv) Introduction of regulations govern- 
ing mineral concessions in respect of 
minerals underlying the ocean with- 
in the territorial waters or the conti- 
nental shelf of India ; and 

(v) Application of Minor Mineral 
Rules to Quarry leases. 

Sir, the provision regarding the termination 
of mining leases which is going to be inserted 
in Clause 4A(1) and (2) is reasonable It says : 

“Where the Central Govt., after consulta- 
tion with the Slate Govt., is of opinion 
that it is expedient in the interest of regu- 
lation of mines and mineral development 
so to do, it may request the State Govt, 
to make a premature termination of a 
mining lease in respect of any mineral, 
other than a minor mineral and, on receipt 
of such request, the State Govt shall make 
an order making a prematuie termination 
of such mining lease and granting a fresh 
mining lease in favour of such Govt, 
company or corporation owned or cont- 
rolled by Government as it may think fit.” 

I think that this is a reasonable provision. 

Then, new section 6(1) would read thus : 

“No person shall acquire in any one 
State in respect of any mineral or pres- 
cribed group of associated minerals — 

(a) one or moic prospecting licences 
covering a total area of more than 
fifty square kilometers ; or 

(b) one or more more mining leases 
covering a total area of more than 
ten square kilometres 

Since a proviso has been incorporated, the 
limits fixed under these now sub-sections (a) 
and (b) could have been reduced further and 
that would have been a step towards a more 


equitable distribution of wealth. The reduc- 
tion of the limit should not be allowed to be 
made a pretext by the mineowners to victi- 
mise or retrench the workers, and the hon. 
Minister should give us an assurance to that 
effect. I demand here that for the deve- 
lopment of the mines and for the progress 
of the country, all the mines should be 
nationalised. 

In this amending Bill, provision has been 
made for a statutory basis for taking up 
investigations. I want to say that the powers 
given to the Geological Survey of India under 
the proposed sections 18A (J) and (2) should 
be exercised with great care and attention so 
that only a very small portion of the standing 
crop is destroyed. The hon. Minister should 
give an assurance in this regard so that the 
least possible damage is done, and I would 
also request the hon. Minister to see that the 
time for the standing crops is extended. 

Lastly, I would like to say that unless we 
protect the interests of the workers and 
their rights, all the tall talk of regulating and 
developing the functioning of the mines will be 
of no use. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall 
resume discussion on this Bill on the next 
day. Now, we shall take up Private Members' 
Business. 

14.58 hrs. 

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' 
BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS 

Seventeenth Report 

SHRI MADHURYYA HALDAR 
(Mathurapur) : I beg to move : 

“That this House do agree with the 
Seventeenth Report of rtic Committee on 
Private Members' Bills and Resolutions 
presented to the House on the 23rd August, 
1972." 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That this House do agree with the 
Seventeenth Report of the Committee on 
Private Members' Bills and Resolutions 
presented to the House on the 23rd August, 
1972". 

The motion was adopted 



AUGUST 25, 1972 Problems of Economic 244 
Stagnation of W. Bengal (Resn.) 

15 hrs. 


243 

14,59 hrs. 

RESOLUTION RE : URGENT PROBLEMS 
OF ECONOMIC STAGNATION OF 
WEST BENGAL— Contd, 

MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER : The House 
will now take up further discussion of the 
following Resolution moved by Shri Indrajit 
Gupta on the 11th August, 1972 : 

“This House demands that the Govern- 
ment should fulfil, without delay or 
dilution, its commitments and responsi- 
bilities towards solutions of West Bengal’s 
urgent problems of economic stagnation”. 

Shri B. K. Daschowdhary may now 
resume his speech. He has already taken 
17 minutes. I think he will now utter his 
concluding sentence. 

SHRI B. K, DASCHOWDHURY : 
Kindly give me five minutes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
other speakers also, and we do not have much 
time left. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Ever 
since the country embarked upon this planned 
economy 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. 
Member has started as if he is making a new 
speech. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : No ; 
since my last speech was about fifteen days 
ago, naturally, 1 have to recollect to the 
House what I was saying. I shall try to 
finish my speech as early as possible. 

Ever since the country" embarked on 
economic planning or planned development 
through the Five Year Plans, we have seen 
that the professed policies of the Five Year 
Plans have been belied in many ways both in 
practice and in their practical applications. 
As a result of this, what has happened ? The 
gap between the rich and the poor regions 
has widened, and the regional imbalances 
have widened. The eastern region of India is 
rich in natural resources, but the States in 
the region have been placed in such a position 
that their importance has been going down 
from year to year. 


As I said on the last occasion, for all 
these reasons, the eastern States, particularly 
West Bengal, have declined in the industrial 
and economic spheres. Certain policies of 
the Government of India are absolutely and 
solely responsible for this, thus causing a 
huge drainage of wealth from the astern States, 
particularly West Bengal, to others. 

In this connection, mention must be made 
of the pricing policy concerning agricultural 
commidities. To cut the point short, the 
four major States in the eastern region, West 
Bengal, Assam, Bihar and Orissa and to a 
certain extent, Tripura also, have jute as 
one of their principal produce which is 
exported and earns foreign exchange to the 
tune of Rs. 300 crores. On the pricing of 
this commodity depends very much the econo- 
mic prosperity of these States. Their 
economy is veiy much linked up with the price 
of this commodity. 

If we take the table as set out in the 
Economic Survey for the current year, we 
find that the price of cotton and that of jute 
has varied to such an extent that it has very 
adversity affected the economy of West Bengal, 
and other eastern States. Taking the index 
number based on the 1961-62 (base 100), the 
price of raw cotton in 1965 was 190. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am told 
three Ministers wish to intervene. Then there 
are important members from other parties. 
Then the Mover has to reply. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I will 
finish in two minutes. As against that, the 
price of raw jute was 160, But coming to 
1970-71, the price of raw cotton has gone up 
to 239 while that of raw jute has gone down 
118. This is what we find. What happens? 
For the last 25 years, all these eastern States, 
of which the principal loser is West 'Bengal . 
have lost Rs. 3,000 crores through the low 
price of jute alone. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If he cannot 
organise his speech within the time allocated, 
I cannot help. 

SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : This 
is my last sentence. 

Considering all these things, the increase in 
freight rates for the commodities which have 



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(Resn.) 


to be taken from the western region to the 
eastern States for their industrial develop- 
ment, I meqn, industrial raw materials, and 
also taking into account the unfavourable 
pricing policy, I would make this appeal to 
Government. Taking certain ad hoc measures 
cannot by themselves resuscitate the economy 
of West Bengal and other eastern States. The 
entire policy has to be changed. Then there 
is the question about the equalisation of 
iron and steel prices. All these have to be 
considered. The Government of India must 
review the pricing policy as set out in the 
dnectives of the Economic Survey. Unless 
certain basic policies are changed in order to 
resuscitate the economy of the eastern region, 
there will be no improvement in the economic 
condition of West Bengal. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA 
(Scrampore) : I have a small submission. I 
will take only five minutes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Your party 
has participated already. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : I 
know. I do not claim it, but I have sub- 
mitted one amendment — 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Very well. 
You may point out that amendment at the 
appropriate time. I am told that some of the 
Ministers want to intervene. I do not have 
the names of any Minister. 

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING (SHRI 
D. P. DHAR) : It would depend on the time 
that is available. How much time would be 
available ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I can indi- 
cate to you the time that we have in our 
hands, We had 38 minutes, out of which 
Mr. Daschowdhury has taken six minutes. 
So, we have 32 minutes to conclude the 
debate. We can stretch it a little more. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta- 
North-East) : Why can’t we go on with this 
debate till the end of the day ? Shrimati 
Maya Ray can also move her resolution, and 
we can take it over to the next day. That is 
the usual practice which we follow whenever an 
important resolution comes up. 


SHRI. D. P. DHAR : May I make a 
submission ? Perhaps 32 minutes could be 
stretched to 35 minutes, But out of that, we 
have to leave at least 15 minutes for the 
mover of the resolution, I suppose. That would 
leave about 20 minutes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will regu. 
late it. It is true that, as Prof. Mukerjee has 
said, very often we do not keep very strictly 
to the time-scheduled. We very often stretch 
it to further than what has been allotted. We 
can do what he said in view of the importance 
of the subject. At 5.30, we are to take up 
another business, absolutely. And there is 
another resolution coming up. What is the 
sense of the House ? Shall we extend this 
debate by one hour ? 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER . Very well. 
So. Prof Mukerjee, would you like to make 
your observations ? 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Mr. Deputy- 
Speaker, Sir, this resolution is not a humdrum 
recommendation to Government but, as the 
very wording suggests, it is a warning. I feel 
that there is no need to go over the details 
of the malady afflicting West Bengal for many 
years now. Howsoever the Centre denies the 
accusations of indifference to the solution of 
West Bengal’s problems, and whatever conso- 
lation it may derive from the inaptitude and 
worse of successive State Governments in West 
Bengal, run most of the time by the Cong- 
ress party and for short, troubled interludes by 
uneasily juxtaposed leftists, the fact remains 
that West Bengal is in unrelieved distress 
and Calcutta, a city described even by those 
who malign it, as “magnificent,” even as it 
is a “monstrous" conglomeration, is in sham- 
bles. If things therefore do no* change dras- 
tically and very soon, this country is in 
for such trouble as Delhi’s vainglorious 
rulers perhaps cannot envisage. 

West Bengal has inherited three decades at 
least of tension and trouble. The second world 
war, when Calcutta was almost in the front 
rank ; the famine of 1943 ; then the communal 
disturbances which continued for such a length 
of time ; then the partition and then the 
refugees streaming in over and over again at 
recurrent intervals ; and then we saw last 



247 Problems oj Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation ofW. Bengal (Resn.) 248 


[Shri H. N. Mukcrjec] 

year, in 1971, 10 million evacuees appearing 
in the city of Calcutta. The tensions of these 
three decades have come to an acute boiling- 
point. We find the Prime Minister and all 
her colleagues giving assurances to West 
Bengal from time to time about so many 
things and yet, as Mr. Inderjit Gupta pointed 
out with ample details, Farakka, in spite of 
Dr. Rao’s reassurance from time to time, 
threatens to be a fake unless not only is 
there a clarification of the situation by the 
statement in the House but action which 
shows that something really and truly is 
going to happen to save the Calcutta port 
and the economy not only of West Bengal 
but of the entire hinterland of Calcutta 
which covers at least six of our Indian 
States Once the most highly industrialised 
State, West Bengal suffers most of all today 
for lack of rural electrification, and West 
Bengal now is gripped in a power crisis 
which does not look as if it can be solved 
within a measurable distance of time. 

Even the second bridge over the Hoogly, 
which had been so long a time in gestation, 
is facing new hurdles which should have 
been taken care of a long time ago. 1 am 
told that in regard to the Howrah side of 
the second bridge new hurdles have arisen 
which can hardly be surmounted In regard 
to transport, the dropping of the circular 
railway scheme and the substitution thereof 
by the somewhat kite-flying but rather fasci- 
nating project of an under-ground railway 
give us some hopes regarding the future. But 
I am not very sure as to how far genuine 
progress is going to take place in quike 
enough time. 

In spite of the massive investment, a 
gain, the virtual failure of the Calcutta 
Metropolitan Development Authority scheme 
to make a real impact because of lack of pre- 
planning and sheer administrative stupidity 
has augmented the difficulties of the people 
of that region. The people of the country 
side in West Bengal, who live largely in the 
Bronze Age even now, are cruelly ignored, 
there is lack of implementation of land reforms 
and, as Shri Gupta pointed out in a documen- 
ted form, our jute growers are cheated, so 
that the bosses of the Indian Jute Mills 
Association who figure in such things as the 
Goenka poster's scandal can go on flourishing 
the best way they can. 


Unemployment is the most acute and 
massive in West Bengal compared to the 
rest of the country. Our State Ministers in 
West Bengal compete with each other in 
making forecasts about one hundred thousand 
or half a million people getting jobs in the 
near future. They go about making forecasts 
about what is going to happen. But this 
kind of “pie in the sky when you die", 
this kind of an assurance, would help nobody 
at all ; this is cruel carrot-dangling before 
the people of our country, and unless some 
actual results follow m quick enough time 
things are going to be precarious. But in 
West Bengal the most repressive policies are 
also initiated whenevei the people’s discontent 
find expression in movements and in struggles. 
But that is not the way in which a situation 
like this can be remedied. 

Here, therefore, in West Bengal we have a 
vicious circle which has got to be broken. It 
is not a question of West Bengal or of 
Calcutta ; it is the quintessence of the human 
condition that we see in the whole of India. 
When you go to the Calcutta aiiport, for 
example — my friend, the Mimslcr of Tourism 
is here — the new air terminal, the interna- 
tional terminal, remains a sort of relic, a sort 
of potential antiquity to be protected by 
Prof. Nurul Hasan and his department and 
that sort of thing while the old, dilapidated 
domestic airport is unlighted and unequipped 
and in a condition which on no civilised 
computation can be called adequate. 

We know how the ofiicers of his depart- 
ment — and this is in books written by 
foreign tourists — for years now have dis- 
couraged people, foreign tounsts in particular, 
from going to the Calcutta region, because 
they want to trake care of the health of the 
foreign tourists more, which is supposed to 
bt in danger if they went to such a disturbed 
area as Calcutta. The airport in Calcutta 
today is somehing of a symbol of the kind of 
deterioration to which the whole area has been 
subject, and if that area which is for the 
north-eastern part of our country, for the 
six or seven of our States, absolutely vital 
and cardinal to its economic, social and 
cultural life, if that area goes down, then 
God help the rest of India. That is why in 
West Bengal the grapes of wrath are being 
stored. They can be grapes of beauty, but 
where is the vision and Statesmanship 
necessary ? 



049 Problems of Economic BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Stagnation of W. Bengal 250 

( Resn .) 


you see from time to time how the 
people's discontent breaks out in forms that 
wc do not relish It should not be imagined 
that because of the sweet and soothing words 
sometimes purveyed to West Bengal by the 
pnme Minister and some other people in her 
entourage, because of these sweet and sooth- 
ing words the people of West Bengal would 
continue to accept the kind of condition to 
which they have been condemned by more 
than twenty years of mismanagement, consis- 
tent, presistent mismanagement which goes on 
for all these years. That is why the tension 
of three decades and the indifference and 
absolute incapacity of the administration, 
Cential as well as State, running for more 
than 25 years now, has left my part of the 
country in a shambles. Something has got 
to be done about it, because it is from that 
part of the country— it /$ in the east that the 
sun rises. It is from that part of the country 
that you find every movement has been 
initiated, and it is from that part of the 
country you will find again a new redical 
movement emerging unless these problems are 
tackled. They might be living in an atmos- 
phere of euphoria. They always refer to what 
happened in the last two elections. Don’t go 
on singing those songs which are outmoded 
and which need no longer be sung Do some- 
thing here and now. Don’t merely dangle 
a carrot before the people of West Bengal. 

1 know my people feci very strongly. At the 
moment, they are ready to give some time 
to the Government to do something about it. 
But the Government must produce results. 
The results have not been produced in the 
last decade or so. And that is why so many 
problems highlighted by Mr. Inderjit Gupta, 
Farakka matter, the second bridge, the jute 
prices, the unemployment problem and so many 
oilier things which have been mentioned have 
become so very acute. 

That is why I say that the grapes of wroth 
stored in West Bengal have shown what kind 
of thing can happen, what kind of temper our 
people can be in. That temper will be revived 
by our people. They will try to throw out 
the shackles of administration which cannot 
deliver the goods. We are ready to give them 
some time ; we are ready to see that they 
produce some results. But they have to produce 
results. If they do not produce results, things 
might happen in West Bengal, not only in 
West Bengal but in the rest of the country 
which will shake the complacency of the 
people in a manner which I do not wish to 


contemplate in any specific detail at the 
moment. 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, my colleague the 
Minister for Planning will be intervening in a 
more extensive and substantial manner. But 
because this question of Dum Dum airport 
and aviation has been raised by several 
speakers, including the mover of the Resolu- 
tion, Shri Indrajit Gupta, he has asked me 
to intervene briefly for five minutes in order 
to explain the position with regard to aviation. 

May I say at the outset that any sort of 
charge that the Government of India is in any 
way neglecting aviation in Calcutta is extremely 
unfair and unwarranted. In fact, I remember, 
when I took over this Ministry in 1967, the 
construction of the Calcutta terminal building 
at that time had already been going on for 
4-5 years. It was going at a snail’s pace. 

I remember, a question was raised by some- 
body as to whether, in view of the peculiar 
situation in Calcutta, we should really continue 
with that in a big way or whether we should 
simply crawl along. But we took a definite 
decision that the work must be completed as 
early as possible and must be speeded up 
So, a lot of money was spent on it. At a 
cost of over Rs. 2 crores, the terminal building 
was completed in 1969. The control tower 
at a cost of Rs. 0.5 crores is under completion. 
In addition to that, an Airport hotel at a 
cost of Rs. 1.2 crores was also sanctioned by 
my Ministry and is now under construction. 
Therefore, the first thing that I would like to 
say is, had there been any sort of desire 
whatsoever on the part of the Government of 
India to neglect Calcutta, not only would a 
new project of Airport hotel not have been 
sanctioned but ^the terminal building would 
not have been finished souquickly. As far as 
we are concerned, we have got the best termi- 
nal building in India and the best facilities in 
Calcutta. 

With regard to traffic, the international 
airlines function on the basis of bilateral 
agreements and, in those bilateral agreements, 
it is quite dear that it is the commercial 
judgement of the airlines concerned which 
will finally decide whether they are going to 
operate. There is nothing we as the Govern- 
ment can do to force any particular airline to 
go anywhere. It has indeed been a matter 



231 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of Bengal (Resn.) 252 


fDr. Karan Singh) 

of considerable distress to us, as I have said on 
several occasions in this House, that several 
international airlines have pulled out of Cal- 
cutta. The reasons for this are many. Certainly, 
the fact that political conditions were disturbed 
for many years may have adversely affected 
the traffic potential. I do not think that 
airlines would pull out if they still can make 
money. There must have been something 
about the traffic potential that caused them 
to pull out. However, we have gone out of 
our way to try and encourage tourists to 
come to Calcutta. 

I was rather hurt when my esteemed 
friend, Prof. H. N. Mukerjee, referred to 
some incident about four or five years ago 
where some official in the Department of 
Tourism somewhere in India was reported by 
some obscure tourist as having said, “You 
should not go to Calcutta. It is bad for your 
health*'. Whatever may have been r at 
particular incident, I myself have gone out 
of my way— I have travelled all over the 
world ; I was in Europe early this year— in 
every single press conference, to reiterate that 
Calcutta and the whole of West Bengal 
would welcome tourists. I issued special 
instructions to the Government of India 
Tourist offices in the country and to the Air 
India offices that we should make a special 
publicity for Calcutta, So, there is really no 
reason, whatsoever, for our esteemed friends 
to continue to nurture this sort of grievance 
which is entirely without foundation. Air 
India, from the 3rd November, is going to 
operate a new service, originating from 
Calcutta, going to London and terminating 
in Calcutta, because there was a justifiable 
feeling that they could not go directly, they 
had to go to Bombay or Delhi in order to 
get the ticket. I had intervened in the 
matter, and Air Iryjia will & operating that 
new service from 3rd November. 

With regard to Jumbos, it is true that 
Jumbos are being operated for the time 
being on the high density routes between 
Delhi, Bombay ?nd New York, but as soon 
a$ the Jumbos operate to the east, /.e., to 
Tokyo, as soon as that becomes commercially 
feasible and we have enough planes, certainly 
Calcutta will also be serviced by Jumbos. 

I will just give one example of the way 
in which— if I may say so with very great 


respect— some of our friends from Bengal tend 
to mis-read and mis-interpret events just 
because they have this inborn feeling that 
they are not being given a fair deal. My hon. 
friend, Shri Indrajit Gupta, said that Calcutta 
has got category 1I-ILO whereas Bombay and 
Delhi have category I. It so happens that 
category II-ILO is infinitely superior to 
Category I. Category I is the first stage and 
category II-ILS is a much better stage. In 
fact, Calcutta, Bombay and Delhi have 
Category II. Just because somebody hears 
it is Category II, they assume that Category 1 
is better than Category II and therefore, they 
make a grievance out of it. 

I would, therefore, very respectfully urge 
on my hon. friends on the other side of the 
House to give up this idea that the Govern- 
ment of India in any of its department — and 
I can certainly speak for the Ministry of 
Tourism and Civil Aviation— will do anything 
to adversely affect the interests of Calcutta. 
Calcutta, and West Bengal, is a vital part 
of our nation and it is as much the duty of 
all of us, from whichever part of the country 
we may come from, lo see that these interests 
are not adversely affected, that they arc 
safeguarded. That, Sir, is what we intend 
to do. 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : I do 
not want to deal with the whole problems 
that West Bengal is facing today. I only 
want to draw your attention, and the atten- 
tion of the Government, to only one aspect, 
namely, the discriminatory policy of the 
Government, how it is contributing to the 
economy of West Bengal. I come to the 
policy of recruitment in regard to our armed 
forces. In regard to West Bengal, the same 
stepmotherly attitude, the condemnatory 
attitude, the discriminatory attitude, that 
was followed ^by the British rulers against 
Bengal and the Bengalis, the same policy is 
being followed even today, although the 
first C.-in-C of our national Army, Gen. 
Cariappa said on 15th August 1950 : 

“Every Indian, whether he comes from 
east or south or west or north or centre 
can make a good soldier provided he has 
certain essential qualities that are required 
in a soldier and has good officers to 
command him and is equipped well." 

It is a historical fact that during the 
Moghul days it was Bengal which had contri- 
buted to the Moghul array during the period 



253 Problems of Economic BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) Stagnation ofW . Bengal 254 

( Resn .) 


of East India Company it was Bengal which 
had contributed to the British army— it was 
the Bengal army that was the main-stay of 
the British ; they recruited only from Bengal 
and Bihar. But after 1857 rebellion, we know 
what happened to the fate of the Bengalis ; 
they were declared as non-material race. That 
policy is still being followed by our Govern- 
ment, I will just give you the figure. This 
is the figure given by our Defence Minister in 
reply to a question on April 7 last : the 
State-wise record — I will not go into the past- 
hut to only 1970-71 — Assam 1038, Bihar — 2300, 
Orissa— 523, West Bengal— 1114, Punjab — 
7353, Haryana — 3780, UP— 7460 and Rajas- 
,han— 3557, Himachal Pradesh— 1180 and 
Kashmir — 1375. That means that less than 
2% is recruited from West Bengal and more 
than 60% from a few favoured northern 
States of Haryana, Punjab, UP and Kashmir, 
Even out of these 1114 of West Bengal, most 
of the recruits are Gurkhas and from the non- 
Bcngalis who are also domiciled in Bengal, 
and naturally, if you take that into account, 
then the actual number of Bengalis recruited 
will come to less than 500. 

1 want to draw your attention that it is 
not a question of— I should say— only injuring 
the pride of the Bengalis but it is affecting 
the growth of West Bengal in the industrial 
sector, and agricultural sector and the econo- 
mical potential also. I would like to give 
you a quotation to show that the same policy 
is being pursued Mr. Casey, a former 
Governor of Bengal, wrote a book called 
‘ Personal Experiences'. There he says : 

“One of the many differences between 
Bengal and a province like Punjab came 
to light to-day when I was told that the 
equivalent of £ 20,000,000 (Rs. 27 crores 
at the then exchange rate) comes into 
the Punjab each year by way of pay and 
pension for serving and retired members 
of the fighting forces. It must have an 
appreciable effect on the prosperity of the 
Punjab. Practically, nothing comes into 
Bengal from this source, as practically no 
Bengalis serve in the. fighting services". 

Another book, I quote from, is 'Agony of 
West Bengal * written by a reputed journalist, 
Mr. Ranjit Roy Choudhary which I would 
request the Minister to go through if the 
Government want to really know the problems 
of West Bengal. He says : 


"In the 1950 jawans in the armed forces 
sent to Punjab and Haryana more than 
Rs. 50 crores representing savings of their 
pay and allowances every year. To-day 
(1971) I am told on good authority the 
only annual savings of the Jawans from 
' the Punjab and Haryana exceed Rs. 200 
crores a year. This money does not lie 
idle but is invested in agriculture and 
industry in Punjab and Haryana". 

As I have said, if we take even Casey’s 
figures, it is 20 million pounds every year, and 
now m 1970-71 Rs. 200 crores every year 
poured into Punjab and Haryana. Naturally, 
as I said already, it has an effect on the 
economy of those States. It is being invested 
and it has an impact there on the industry, 
agriculture and other spheres also. 

I would also draw your attention to 
another point. That is about the policy of 
employment of ex-defence personnel by the 
Government. As it has been stated in the 
Defence Ministry’s report this year also, that 
10% of the vacancies in Class III categories 
of the Central services are reserved for ex- 
Servicemen and 20% of the Class IV categories 
are also reserved for ex-servicemen. Accord- 
ing to a judgement given by the Supreme 
Court, this quantum can be revised upto 50%. 
What does it mean 7 What will be its effect ? 
You will have in those categories more than 
60% recruits from only just a specialist sector 
and a small sector for whom this quantum 
in services is going to be reserved. The 
result of that particularly in the case of 
Bengali people and also the people of Orissa 
and Assam will be that their percentage in 
the Central Services which is almost every 
year decreasing will dwindle further. It will 
have this effect. Not only that, I would draw 
your attention to another thing. West Bengal 
every year pays Rs. 600 crores to our national 
revenue and we spend for the defence on an 
average Rs. 1300 crores. fTiat means roughly 
33% of our national revenue is spent for our 
defence purposes. West Bengal’s contribution 
is Rs. 200 crores to the defence purposes. 
What is the benefit that she derives ? That 
hardly comes to one per cent. There was a 
general theory that Bangalees are good for 
the air force or the navy, having engineering 
capacity, having capacity of handling technical 
equipments etc. but that they are not fit for 
the ground forces. I just want to quote a 
sentence from a book, The Himalayan 
Blunder by Brigadier J. P. Dalvi. White 



255 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of W . Bengal {Resn) 256 


[Shri Samar Guha] 

describing the Thagla ridge battles of October 
10, 1962. with the Chinese, he says : 

“Jamadar Bose’s platoon was left with 
10 men after holding three Chinese attacks. 
He too charged with his Bayonet. I hope 
that the conduct and gallantry of Jamadar 
Biswas and Jarnadar Bose and their men 
will forever still the voice of those who 
delighted in denigrating the martial 
prowess of our Bengali brethren. They 
fought with great elan and determination”. 

During the last war, we were looking for 
the Bengali people in the Armed force for 
geo-political reasons, that is, those who knew 
the geography of the area, who knew the 
language of the area, who knew the social and 
other characteristics of the area. This imbalance 
in our recruitment policy should go. This 
discrimination between so called martial and 
non-martial people should go. The Govern- 
ment on many occasions says that the class 
character, communal character and other 
characteristics of the British will be abolished. 
But that policy has not been implemented. 
Necessary employment potential should be 
generated and distributed over this region so 
that it can be indirectly used as capital invested 
in industrial and agricultural growth, and this 
policy of discrimination should go. I want to 
quote Irom the official account of the Defence 
organisation after independence. This is a 
publication of the Government of India. 
It says : 

“The theory of martial and non-martial 
classes was completely exploded during 
the 2nd world war. Soon after 15-8-47, 
the Government of India decided as a 
matter of policy that all communal and 
class compositions should be eliminated 
from the Indian army and that all Indian 
nationals should 1 have equal opportunities 
of service in it.” 

It just remained same as an imperial 
commitment, a British commitment. It was 
not possible to implement it in the case of 
army corps, in the case of our defence services. 

"The system of class composition of the 
Army has not been introduced in the 
Navy and Air Force ”, 

Another American scholar who has stayed 


here for a long time to have hisdoctrate 
degree has written in a book called The 
Indian Army— Its contribution to the deve- 
lopment of the Nation , says : 

"The system of recruitment coincides 

with the predisposition of many military 

men who believe in some variation of the 

martial race theory’.” 

I want to conclude by saying that this policy 
of recruitment to the Army, Navy and the 
Air Force does not only affect the pride of 
the young men of Bengal but it is also 
indirectly affecting the potentiality of indus- 
trial and agricultural development and also 
the employment position in West Bengal. If 
Government want to do something, then I 
would only make another request to them. 
The massive influx of the middle class popu 
lation from East Bengal, has added to the 
middle class of West Bengal. During the 
pre-Partition days, East Bengal had the 
highest concentration of middle class people in 
the whole of India ; out of them, 90 per cent 
have now migrated to West Bengal, and this 
middle class consists of people who arc very 
idealistic, very patriotic and very visionary ; 
these middle class people are now providing 
the fuse to the explosive situation in West 
Bengal. If Government do not properly 
tackle this fuse, the whole situation in West 
Bengal may turn into a real explosion. The 
explosive situation may turn into a real 
explosion. 

Therefore, I would request that in regard 
to the policy of recruitment to the Armed 
Forecs, the tackling particularly of the sensi- 
tive and idealistic middle class Bengalis 
should be given top priority in the matter 
of dealing with the problems of West Bengal. 

THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION 
AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAOJ : The hon. 
Minister of Planning will reply to the various 
points that have been made, and, therefore, 

I shall confine myself to some of the points 
which Shri Indrajit Gupta had made. He 
had put some straight questions to me, and I 
would try to answer these questions. 

Regarding the discharge of water from the 
Farakka barrage, I submit that I have already 
laid a long statement about it on the Table 
of the House. Shri Indrajit Gupta had 
wanted to know who were the persons who 



251 Problems of Economic BHADRA 3, 

we re consulted at the time it was sanctioned 
and how the operation programme was drawn 
up. At that time, Mr. Man Singh, a very 
distinguished Chief Engineer of West Bengal, 
and Mr. Majumdar, another very distinguished 
Chief Engineer of West Bengal had gone into 
the matter together, and they two discussed 
and said that about 20,000 cusecs of water 
would be enough to keep the port of Calcutta 
healthy. That was the impression at that 
time, and even in 1952-57. Then we con- 
sulted Pro. Hensen. He was the first man 
who suggested that 20,000 cusecs would not 
be sufficient, but we should have 40,000 cusecs, 
and he has given an operation schedule. 
What we have adopted in the sanctioned 
estimate is exactly a copy of that operation 
schedule We thought it better to have the 
bigger one. That was how it happened. That 
was how the operation schedule was for 40,000 
cusecs for ten months and 20,000 cusecs for the 
period from March to mid- May. A copy of 
the English text signed by him as also the 
German text is with me, and if the hon. Member 
wants to see it, I shall be very happy to show 
it to hun 

Shri B. K. Daschowdhary had said that 
the Estimates Committee had stated that it 
should be 40,000 cusecs and so on. What the 
Estimate Committee has done is that they 
have only given a description of the project, 
and they have only said that the project 
after completion will enable diversion of 
40,000 cusecs of water from the Ganga to the 
Bhaguathi. That is exactly what we are also 
saying. Everyone, therefore, wants that it 
should be 40,000 cusecs. The only question 
was about the 20,000 cu*ecs for about two 
months. The Estimates Committee has said 
nothing about this particular aspect. 

Then, Shri Indrajit Gupta had asked why 
Ganga-Brahmaputra Commission had not been 
consulted about this. The Ganga-Brahma- 
putra Commission has been set up purely to 
discuss the question of flood control projects 
°f an inter-Stale nature ; that is 
to say, if a flood control project is 
constructed in one State, it may 
affect the other State, and in those cases, this 
Commission would come into the picture. 
So, this commission was not set up for any 
irrigation or other projects, but it was set up 
purely for flood control projects, and it was 
in that capacity that it was functioning, and 
that was why this question was not taken up 
with them. 


1894 (SAKA) Stagnation of West 258 
Bengal ( Resn .) 

Shri Indrajit Gupta had also referred to 
the size of the locks at Jangipur being 
reduced. In fact, the fact of the matter is 
that it is the other way round. Under the 
original estimate, there was no lock at all. 
The whole thing developed on the basis of 
what happened between Jangipur and the 
mouth of the Bhagirathi, where it takes off 
from the Padma, and it was that region which 
was silting up. In that reach, there was flow 
of water only for three months. 

The rest of the months it is completely 
dry. So we thought it was no use to put in 
a lock there and take the boats only for three 
months from Bhagirathi to Ganga. On the 
other hand, we thought it was much better to 
have a big lock and bigger arrangements for 
all the time so that they will go through the 
feeder canal and get into the Ganga. That was 
why in the original estimate, Jangipura lock was 
not provided. But at my instance, after exami- 
nation of the whole question, we got the advice 
that even for these three months we might 
put in the lock just for transfer of country 
boats. That is how it has come And it is 
also not small ; it is 234 ft long and 42 ft. 
wide and it will function for three months. 
For the rest of the period, the boats go through 
the feeder canal and get into the Ganga or 
Padma, as it may be called. 

The hon. member referred to the Ganga- 
Brahmaputra link and so on. We have not 
forgotten it. We are fully alive to the prob- 
lem and the possibilities of the problem. 
Ganga is one of our magnificent rivers carrying 
400 million acre feet of water. Unfortunately, 
this water does not come all thiough the year. 
There is a lean period of two months.. Our 
requirement will be 2-3 million acre feet 
in these months. It is a very small quan- 
tity. For that, linkage with Brahma- 

putra will be very valuable. But we 
cannot go into it unless the matter is discussed 
and settled with Bangla Dt4h, our very good 
friend and neighbour. Unless we discuss this 
matter with and get clearance, we cannot 
talk too much about it. Apart from that, 
there are possibilities of undei ground water 
through tubewells and so many other methods. 
We have to meet the demands of the various 
projects in those two lean months. As I 
said, it is a very small quantity of 2-3 million 
acre feet. I think it is quite possible by taking 
up some projects to tackle this problem. We 
have thought of this idea, but we are not 
mentioning too much about these for obvious 
reasons, 



259 Problems of Emiomtc AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of West 260 

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[Dr. K. L. Rao] 

I am sure hon. members will not have the 
feeling that we have overlooked this. We are 
determined to see that the port of Calcutta 
is kept completely functional and as beautiful 
as possible. The statement that was laid on 
the Table represents a practical proposition. 
Everybody has accepted it. As soon as the 
results of the prototype are known, we shall 
proceed further. As I said, it is not very 
difficult to fill up this gap of water. 

Then the hon. member said that the irriga- 
tion percentage in West Bengal is very low. 
It is not quite correct: The percentage is 
31.4. For Andhra Pradesh, it is 34, for UP 
it is between 34 and 35. At the same time, 
I am fully alive to it. We have got extremely 
valuable underground sources of water. The 
cultivated area in West Bengal is 16 1 million 
acres. Therefore, for the 45 million people 
there, we must have intensive cultivation. To 
that end, we should see that the irrigation 
roust be expanded at least twice, 60 to 70 per 
cent, as we have in Punjab. That is what I 
want to submit. It is not that Bengal has been 
neglected or ignored. 

Shri Gupta referred to the DVC. I do 
not know who is responsible for the rumour. 
I have not seen any reports in the papers 
about it. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
This is a chance for him to deny the rumour. 

SHRI K L RAO : There is absolutely 
no such idea at all. We have not even 
thought of it. The point is this. In the 
DVC, there are a number of dams. We have not 
acquired land fully in the Maithor and Panchet 
area to work to *fjjll capacity. Those areas 
must be acquired. So I appointed a com- 
mittee of engineers to go into this. They 
wanted those areas to be acquired. Similarly, 
the Bihar Government has asked for irrigation 
in Gaya and Hazaribagh. So we appointed 
another committee who recommended like- 
wise. I sent the reports of both committees 
to both the Chief Ministers and asked them 
to discuss the matter. That is all that has 
happened. Both the Chief Ministers met at 
Delhi and had a very amicable discussion. I 
was just a witness. We wanted that the 
concerned Chief Ministers should discuss and 
settle it. They stt up a working group. As 


soon as the working group gives its propo- 
sals, — it was given three months’ time— we 
can discuss the whole thing, and I am sure 
they will arrive at an amicable settlement. 
Delays should not happen. Otherwise, I do 
not understand why there should be waste of 
money. That is how it is going about. The 
hon. Member can rest assured that we want 
to strengthen the D. V. C. That is why we 
have sanctioned more power units. The 
Chandrapura unit has been sanctioned. We 
want to develop more and more power to 
the greatest extent possible. 

Then the other questions are rural electi- 
fication and shortage of power. I would 
submit in this connection, as I submitted 
before, that the installed capacity in West 
Bengal is about 1700 mw. The load is about 
1100 mw, and 1700 mw. is more than ample 
to serve a load of 1100 mw. Unfortunately, 
there is shedding and other troubles : there 
is too much of load on the DVC and 
constant shedding is cropping up. If you 
have another 50 mw there would be no 
shortage at all. But unfortunately it is not 
there and so in the case of power, we cannot 
do anything except to depend upon the new 
projects. That is what we are doing. Now, 
the Santhaldih and Chandrapura units are 
coming up very shortly in the course of this 
year. When these projects are completed, 
we are going to put in the transmission lines 
over to Calcutta, I think, in the course of a year, 
Also, we are trying to connect Orissa. There 
is going to be an extra, surplus power in 
Belimela, and we are going to connect all that 
with Calcutta. So, in the course of one year 
it may be possible for us to get over the 
present acute shortage of power ; rather the 
difficulties ; I would not call it shortage, but 
difficulties in regard to power. 

The other day, I was saying that the 
Planning Commission has recently sanctioned 
the Bandel extension and Dhalkola station and 
so on. More will be sanctioned. There is no 
limit. So, the hon. Member can rest assured 
that we are fully alive to this. In 1978-79, the 
power requirements of West Bengal will be 
much more, say, 2,500 mw and so all these 
power projects will be takert care of. 

We are also trying to find out the need 
for equipment. The other day, they wanted 
some spares for Durgapur project, and we are 
trying to airlift them. We are spending about 



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rs. 3 lakhs for that. We know the situation 
there. 

About rural electrification, it is true that 
the position in West Bengal has been very bad. 
But nowadays, we are taking up to 10 per cent 
and there is greater activity. The Rural Electri- 
fication Corporation is spending about Rs. 15 
crores on West Bengal, which is the second 
largest amount given for all the various States. 
This is the second largest amount it has given, 
next only to Uttar Pradesh which has the 
largest population. This is the second biggest 
sanction that was given. They in fact have gone 
out of the way in sanctioning the transmission 
lines also. A scheme costing a crorc of rupees 
has been sanctioned for the transmission lines, 
which generally is not done for every States. We 
feel sad that out of 38,000 villages that we have 
got in West Bengal, only 4,000 are electrified 
at present ; it is bad. Therefore, wc want to 
improve it. 

What I want to submit is that West 
Bengal is not being neglected. On the other 
hand, it is being given every kind of attention 
and every effort is being made by all the 
departments. I would only join my senior 
colleague, the hon. Minister of Tourism, and 
appeal to the hon Members, “Do not have 
any feeling that West Bengal is being neg- 
lected.” There is nothing like that. We are 
all one. West Bengal is a precious part of 
our country and it is perpaps more precious 
than other parts. It has produced the biggest 
sons of India and has contributed much, of 
which we are proud. So, while making 
speeches, do not have any feeling that it is 
being treated in any different way. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Dinen 
Bhatlacharyya, your amendment is time- 
barred, but you may make some observa- 
tions. 

SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA 
(Serampore) : Sir, I wanted to move one 
amendment. Though it could not be formally 
moved, I want to mention here that in the 
resolution of Shri Inderjit Gupta, after the 
words “economic stagnation” I wanted to add 
<( and the deterioratiug law and order situ- 
ation”. 

My point is that apart from the econo- 
mic staganation, the deteriorating law and 
order situation also must be looked into in all 
seriousness. Here I want to refer to a news 


item from yesterday’s Statesman given by 
Shri Kalyan Roy, a Rajy Sabha member 
belonging to the party of Shri Indrajit 
Gupta, which is running the Government in 
West Bengal. The news item says that Shri 
Kalyan Roy during interview with the Labour 
Minister, Shri Khadilkar mentioned that about 
600 workers belonging to his union and wor- 
king in collieries were being prevented from 
attending to their work by a section of the 
INTUC. He further alleged that four AITUC 
leaders were assaulted in Durgapur by INTUC 
elements on 1st August. 

Then, only last week in another place, in 
the Writer's Building, the Labour Minister 
convened a meeting of the representatives of 
the workers of the Hindustan Steel factory 
situated in Dum Dum because there were 
certain disputes between the workers and the 
management. The workers were represented 
by the UTUC leader, Shri Fatik Ghosh. In 
front of the Home Secretary’s chamber this 
leader, accredited leader in the trade union 
field in West Bengal, he was on the point of 
being kidnapped with the intention of murder. 
This has appeared in the papers. 

15-52 hrs 

[Shri K. N. Tiwari in the Chair ] 

So, it is not confined only to colliery 
areas ; law and order problem is there in other 
areas also. If you go through a newspaper 
supporting the Government party, the 
mic Times, it says in banner headlines that 
the situation prevailing in West Bengal cannot 
be helpful for production. In Texmaco and 
Jay Engineering hundreds of workers could 
not go to work because the goonda elements, 
with the help and direct connivance of the 
police, prevented them from going to work. 

Whatever steps you «ay take for econo- 
mic development, unless the law and order 
situation is improved, there can he no progress. 
But the law and order situation in West 
Bengal is deteriorating day by day. Now there 
is no rule of law in West Bengal. So, this 
aspect has to be looked into. I would also appeal 
to the Congress members to look into this. 
In fact, even a Congress leader like Shri 
Lakshmi Kant Ghosh, holding a meeting in a 
maidan, accused the Congress of working 
against the interests of a registered trade 
union. I want to see that this is stopped once 
and for all We are for democracy in the trad* 



263 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of West 264 

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[Shri Dinen Bhattacharyya] 

union field. If you want to have your organi- 
sation in any field, do not try to have it by 
forcing the workers. 

Professor Hiren Mukerjee has referred to 
how we have been treated. Regarding the 
circular railway for Calcutta assurances were 
given not only by the Railway Minister but by 
other Ministers also. Still nothing came out 
of it. Shri Inderjit Gupta has referred to the 
Howrah-Amda and Howrah-Shertala light 
railway. I do not know whether the hon. 
Minister, Shri D. P. Dhar, is in a position to 
do that, but I want a categorical statement 
from the government that this railway line 
will be re-opened. Let him give a clear answer 
in which year, in which month, it is to be re- 
opened. We can wait. But let him come for- 
ward with a definite answer. 

Many things are being said here, in this 
House, in the newspapers and by the West 
Bengal Government Ministers. They are daily 
coming forward with assurances. I do not know. 
Regarding the re-opening of closed factories, one 
container factory is there in 24-Praganas, near 
Naihati, which is now in a chaotic condition, 
most bankrupt management and most corrupt 
management. They are still being allowed to 
loot the property of the factory. The report 
has been given by a committee that was set up 
to go into the affairs of that factory. They 
said that it is a sick factory and it should be 
taken over directly by the Government. But 
nothing has yet come out. 

Another point that I want to make is that 
some cotton mills have been taken over 4 It is 
very good. I am not just going to make any 
comment in that respect. But m respect of two 
mills, one is Rampuria Cotton Mills and the 
other is LaxminarairPCotton spinning Mills — 
Rampuria is a composite mill — in the course 
of a reply to the question put by Shri Samar 
Mukerjee, the Government said that the inquiry 
is over and the steps are being taken to take 
over these two mills. Now, the West Bengal 
Government Labour Minister has come for- 
ward with a statement that Rs. 2 lakhs will be 
sanctioned by the West Bengal Government for 
taking over these two factories. I do not know 
in which raj we are living. Is it Muhamad 
Tughlak raj or is it progressive raj of 
Shrimatf India Gandhi 7 Rs. 24 lakhs are still 
due in respect of provident fund only of the 


Rampuria Mill workers. They are now coming 
forward with great magnanimity that they are 
re-opening the factory. In the case of the 
Laxminarain Mill, it is not less than Rs. 10 
lakhs due to the workers in respect of provi- 
dent fund only. Now, the West Bengal Govern- 
ment says that Rs. 20 lakhs will be given on the 
condition that the Centre gives them per- 
mission. The Central Government says that 
the necessary steps are being taken and the 
inquiry is being conducted. 

I know what they will say. They will ask 
the West Bengal Government to start a Textile 
Corporation. I do not know what will happen. 
But this is the situation. Neither the factories 
are being re-opened nor they are being taken 
over. Even if the factories are re-opened, the 
workers are not being taken there. There are 
still about 400 factones which arc closed. 

They say that they will solve the unemp- 
loyment problem. The veiy simple thing is, if 
you re-open these closed factories, more than 1 
lakh workers will get employment So, I would 
humbly request the Minister to look into this 
law and order situation and create a situation 
in which democratic mass organisations of 
different sections of the people may function 
and workers may go to their factory jobs 
without any apprehension of being stabbed or 
being assaulted by goonda elements who are 
in the pay-rolls of the Congress. 

16 hrs. 

SHRI S. R. DAMANl (Sholapur) : I 
thank you very much for giving me some 
time to participate in the discussion on the 
Resolution before the House. I have gone 
through the speeches of my hon. friends, Shri 
Indrajit Gupta, Shri Samai Mukhcrjee and 
many other members. 

Before I say something about the present 
conditions, I would like to draw attention to 
the fact that West Bengal was the highest 
beneficiary of the planned development, com- 
pared to all other States ; this can be seen 
either from the Central schemes or from the 
financial assistance given by the Centre and 
it will be known that from the time of the 
First Five-Year Plan, more benefits were given 
to West Bengal. That might have been due 
to the personality of Or. B. C. Roy. During 
ten years, in his period, many new industries 
came up in Calcutta and other parts of West 
Bengal ; West Bengal had made very remark- 



265 Problems of Economic fcHADRA 

able progress as far as industrial production 
was concerned, as far as employment was 
concerned, as far as irrigation and power were 
concerned. But, after the expiry of Dr, B C. 
Roy, what has happened? Our friend, Mr. 
Samar Mukherjee, was accusing Chhatra 
Parishad, What was their party doing at that 
time when they came to power ? They were the 
first party who instigated the workers, who 
started gheraos, who started intimidating the 
employers, and the result was what you see 
today— stagnation. How many factories were 
closed down due to their action ? I think, at 
least 5,000 factories were closed down when 
they were having their Government in West 
Bengal. 

The workers’ interests may be protected. 
It is the duty of the trade unions to look 
after the interests of workeis. But it is also 
the duty of trade unions to look to production, 
to give assistance to entrepreneurs and the 
Government to put up more industries, to 
help them to increase the production. Why 
did they have this gherao and threats of 
murders ? Nowhere in the world industry has 
developed that way. 

They alleged that Chhatra Parishad and 
the Congress were taking law in their own 
hands. But who started ? Why do you accuse 
Chhatra Parishad or the Cognress ? This is 
the result of the action taken by the CPM at 
that time. 

Our country is a developing country. We 
require production. Our population is very 
big. Sec the example of Durgapur, if there 
had been co-ordination, that unit which is 
running with 40 per cent efficiency, would have 
been running more efficiently. May be, there 
were some management defects. But how 
many unions are there ? Almost everyday 
there is strike and some departments are 
closed down. Ultimately, who suffers ? It 
is the country which suffers. Our production 
of steel has gone down to the barest mini- 
mum. Durgapur steel plant had very big 
losses. Government had to import steel by 
paying foreign exchange, to meet the country’s 
requirement. If they had co-operated, it was 
possible to double the capacity of Durgapur 
and make the country self-sufficient. But 
they did not want to. But they want to cri- 
ticise the Government only. They do not want 
to co-operate as far as production is con- 
cerned. They must protect their rights. That 


1. 1894 ($AkA) Stagnation of West 166 
Bengal ( Resn .) 

is all right, but they must also look to the 
production also But, only by accusing the 
Government and by blaming the Central 
Government, the purpose is not going to be 
served. 

I want to say one thing. If they really want 
that West Bengal should be developed and 
there is now stagnation and the population is 
increasing— 1 very often go to Calcutta and I 
had been there in Calcutta recently and, Sir, 
what I saw we are sorry for that— unless 
the co-operation is there from the Trade 
Unions and from the friends on the other 
side, things are not going to improve. It is 
no use accusing the Government and put 
the blame on the Government. So, my 
humble request is that they should try to 
protect the rights of the workers, but, side 
by side, they should also sec that production 
increases. In Japan, in Germany and all those 
countries, you see that there are trade unions 
also but are they so much non-cooperative as 
far as production is concerned ? Sir, there they 
make an agreement for one year and there 
is no trouble for the whole year. Here, to-day 
one agreement is reached, the next day it is 
broken and another agreement is required. 
Then these people have no peace of mind to 
work. So, unless this condition is not solved, 

I do not think things can improve. 

You have given me time and I thank you 
very much and I say that the position has 
deteriorated not because of the Cong- 
ress-Sir, under the Chief Minister, B. C. 
Roy’s regime things improved enormously and 
West Bengal made great strides but things 
started deteriorating as soon as they took the 
reins of administration. They are responsible 
for that, not the Congress Government. 

THE MINISTER OF PLANNING (SHRI 
D. P: DIIAR) :* I was jinfortunate to have 
missed in person a very lucid and elaborate 
speech which the hon. mover of this resolu- 
tion delivered some days ago in this House. 
I, however, had the privilege of going through 
the verbatim record of what he said. 

In essence, I think we can divide the 
subject into two parts. One part relates merely 
to a few specific problems and the other part 
relates to the general question of the develop- 
ment, the economic development and the social 
development of West Bengal. I am afraid my 
distinguished friend* Mr. Gupta f while moving 



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[Shri D. P. Dhar] 

• 

the resolution, spent a good deal of time on 
dwelling on some of the specific issues like 
the Farakka barrge, Calcutta Port, oil explo- 
ration, etc. in West Bengal, the question of jute 
prices, the question relating toper-acre agricultu- 
ral yield, the question relating to power 
shortages and also to the question relating to 
the negligence or alleged negligence of Calcutta 
airport by Air India, etc. 

As far as Farkka and Calcutta Port are con- 
cerned and also as far as the allegation regar- 
ding the negligence of Calcutta airport by Air 
India is concerned, I am grareful to my 
colleagues, the Minister for Civil Aviation 
and the Minister for Irrigation & Power, for 
having somewhat lightened my task in having 
dealt with their subjects. But, I would certain- 
ly like to add, with the permission of my 
colleague, that, as far as the future of the 
port of Calcutta is concerned, it is not a matter 
which is of importance only to West Bengal, It 
is of importance to West Bengal because it is 
located there. But there are large number of 
questions of employment, of various structural 
associations etc. which are connected with the 
issue of the future of the Calcutta port. 
Without being sentimental about it, without 
talking about the past of West Bengal,— its 
glorious past, — without talking about the great 
contribution made by that part of our country 
to the freedom struggle of our land (which, in 
itself is a glorious chapter of our history), 
without sentimentalising, if 1 may say so, 
of this issue, without unnecessarily going into 
the history of the issue, as Professor 
Mukherjee wished to go, I wish to say, the 
importance of Calcutta port ps a viable 
efficient port, is for the whole of the country, 
and therefore, the economy of the whole coun- 
try is greatly associated with the proper and 
efficient functioning of the Port of Calcutta. 

w 

I am sure, after the lengthy statement 
which was made by my colleague Dr. Rao, the 
apprehensions which rightly or wrongly— in 
my opinion absolutely wrongly were enter- 
tained regarding the nature of the Farakka 
Barrage and the quantum of water which 
would be discharged for cleansing the choking 
port of Calcutta by sullage, would have been 
allayed, if not fully removed. 

About oil exploration in West Bengal once 
again there bas been an unfair insinuation that 


this region of the country has been specially 
excluded from a closer and more intimate 
attention in the matter of oil exploration than, 
for example, the area from which my old and 
distinguished friend Mr. H M. Patel comes. 
That is not a fact. The fact of the matter is, 
we proceeded on the basis of the data avai- 
lable to us, to explore for oil by drilling at a 
place called Bodra. We discovered that tho 
possibility of striking oil or gas was almost 
extinct. Therefore we again reviewed the 
position. We have now started very sophisti- 
cated seismic studies with sophisticated ins- 
truments in the entire range of West 
Bengal for locating more promising tracks of 
oil or gas. This has been considered necessary 
not only by experts of the ONGC but also the 
top experts of the Soviet Union. 

I would Ilk to assure the mover of (he Reso- 
lution and his colleagues and the people of 
West Bengal that they should not entertain 
any doubts about our intentions. As soon as 
this work is over, we shall begin the work of 
exploration at great speed or hastily, if I 
may say so, whereever promise is held out, of 
reasonable success. 

The other question relates to power 
shortages. My learned colleague Dr. K. L. 
Rao has given a picture of the future that we 
visualise with regard to the generation of 
power in West Bengal. But what we are 
interested in or concerned with is today or 
the immediate future, because the problems 
that face us are really of a very urgent nature 
in West Bengal particularly, and, therefore, 
we have got to make our best endeavour to 
see that the installed capacity, a good portion 
of which is lying idle and the capacity that 
is available but is run and managed inefficiently 
is looked into, thoroughly examined and the 
faults and the inadequacies determined and 
quick remedial measures taken. 

I have taken note of the complaint made 
by my hon. friend Shri Indrajit Gupta that 
the committee which has been appointed to 
examine the causes which were responsible for 
those shortages and what he has called the 
mismanagement of the distribution of the 
power system in West Bengal or most 
parts of it is composed mostly of those persons 
who are responsible for this management. If 
I remember the figures correctly, he said that 
out of six members, perhaps four belong to 
these agencies. I have received a. similar 



269 Troblems of Economic BHADRA 3 1 

complaint, not regarding the composition of 
the committee, but the Government of West 
Bengal have complained bitterly about certain 
defects and certain lacunae which are apparent 
both in the generation and in the distribution 
of power within the quantities within which 
it is available, and we have decided in the 
Planning Commission, in consultation with 
the Government of West Bengal, and I shall 
have no difficulty in persuading my colleague 
the hon. Minister of Irrigation and Power, to 
appoint a high-powered committee in which 
experts from the Centre and otherwise will be 
associated with comprehensive terms of 
reference to see (a) how, and how quickly we 
shall be in a position to utilise to the fullest 
available resources for generation of power in 
West Bengal, and (b) to organise its distri- 
bution and the conveyance of this power with 
minimum losses and greatest efficiency. I hope 
that within a couple of months, we should be 
in a position to know exactly the nature of 
the malady and also equally exactly the nature 
of the remeny. 


As far as the question of jute prices and 
the per acre — acre agricultural yield is 
concerned, I shall with your permission come 
to this issue a little later. What I, however, 
expected and hoped to be educated upon was 
the basic feature of the structure of the 
economy of West Bengal in its totality, and I 
further most hungrily awaited to be educated 
as to how we could apply the proper remedies 
in order to achieve results quickly and 
speedily. 1 must admit that my long wait 
has been rather futile and I have been some- 
what disappointed. Of course, I am sick and 
tired of listening to questions of disturbances, 
somebody disturbing some public meeting 
being held, somewhere there being lockout, 
somewheie there being strike, and so on. 
Somebody is this parishad and somebody else 
is that parishad and so on. I even listened 
with the utmost respect and attention 
to the tales of woe regarding the law and 
order situation in West Bengal from quarters 
from whom I did not expect to hear it. The 
anguish of sowing wind and reaping a whirl 
wind .perhaps holds good even today. But 
lam not a control ersialist and I do not 
believe in indulging in idle polemics. But I 
think the time has come when we should turn 
our backs on that unfortunate, tragic period 
of disorder and disharmony in West Bengal. 
Whoever may be responsible for it, I am not 
here to apportion blame. Nobody has made 


, 1894 ( SAKA ) Stagnation of West 270 

Bengal ( Resn .) 

me a judge to pronounce who is wrong 
and who is right. But I am a judge 
of the situation in the sense that such 
a situation did exist and that situation had to 
teiminate if we had to hope for an orderly 
development, if we bad to take to the path 
of a peaceful development and reconstruction 
of our economy in West Bengal. 

SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL (Barrack- 
pore) : If you are sincere, we are. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I can assure the 
hon member that 1 would be the last person 
to be so impertinent as to question his 
sincerity. I readily agree and 1 would not 
even by inadvertence, by the remotest innu- 
endo, attribute such actions of violence and 
disorder to the hon. member. I would never 
indulge in such an irresponsible utterance. 
Neverthelesss, I was referring to a situation. 
That situation cannot be called a natural 
calamity. It was a man-made calamity. It 
was a situation created by man and it is our 
duty to see that those disorderly elements are 
isolated so that we are able to give buoyance 
not to violence but to development. That is 
the only way we can go forward, 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HALDER : 
Find out from your own party. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : He says 
disorderly elements should be dealt with 
equally, irrespective of the party to which they 
belong, including your own. 

SHRI D P DHAR : Certainly, as soon 
as you find me disorderly, you are at liberty 
to deal with me. 

Coming bac^ to an examination of the 
broad contours of the structure of the West 
Bengal economy, there are certain things 
which— {Interruption) 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him continue. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Except to the 
extent that I am taking notice of this highly 
orderly behaviour, I have nothing more to say. 

Coming back to the enunciation of the 
broad contours of the economy of West 
Bengal, we see that in the field of industry, 
and its history— as it was hinted very briefly 



271 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of West 272 

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[Shri D. P. Dhar] 

by Prof. H. N. Mukerjee— West Bengal’s 
industry had a colonial base. It bad a colonial 
orientation, though West Bengal was the 
pioneer in industrial efforts of the country 
before Independence. The classical examples 
of this type of industry are provided by jute 
and by coal. As we know, jute has reached 
a point of diminishing returns and it is 
suffering from a large number of ills. We 
also know in the recessionary period the 
production of coal did not reach the targets 
that were envisaged and, therefore, in both 
these sectors, West Bengal unfortunately was 
hit veiy severely. 

Then in the second category of industry 
which developed rapidly m the fifties falls the 
engineering industries. The engineering indus- 
tries in West Bengal were hit unfortunately 
mainly by the recessionary period through 
which we passed. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : The national retention price of 
steel. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : So far as the 
question of pi ice is concerned, it is a separate 
matter. It is not only one factor which is 
responsible for this There arc a large number 
of factors which are responsible for this 
recession. I need not go into them because 
I have read some erudite thesis on the question 
of recession from the party to which Mr. 
Jyotirmoy Bosu belongs ; and with quite a 
number of those formulas I am in complete 
agreement, though Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu does 
not seem to agree with some of them. The 
fact remains that the engineering industry in 
this country was the first victim of recession, 
and as a result, the economy of West Bengal 
was hit very hard. . 

ft* 

If we go to agriculture, I have no hesi- 
tation in saying that the development in 
agriculture has been almost slothful. It has 
been extremely slow in this field, because of 
various factors Instead of going into these 
factors, I would rather suggest remedies than 
raise controversies. 

The basic question, therefore, is in the 
first field, namely, the field of industry. What 
do we do ? 1 would submit that in the first 
instance, a diversification of the industrial 
structure, the industrial investment, in West 


Bengal is essential. This is thejjpomise which 
the Central Government made, and I can 
assure Mr. Indrajit Gupta that from this 
promise the Central Government is not going 
to backslide. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : What is that 
promise ? 

SHRI D. P. DHAR ; That there will be 
diversification from the traditional base of 
industries in West Bengal and a certain 
amount of new lines of industrialisation will 
be introduced. We have the petro-chemical 
structure ; we have the steel alloy structure, 
and so on and so forth. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Are you 
aware of the fact that out of a total allocation 
of about Rs. 55 crores from institutional 
financing for minor irrigation, West Bengal 
got nothing but zero ? 

SHRI D P. DHAR : I thought the 
distinguished Member did realise that minor 
irrigation is part of agriculture, not of indust- 
ry. When I come to agriculture, j will talk 
about it. 

SHRI JYOTIMOY BOSU Jute is an 
agro-based industry ? 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Jute is not an 
agro-based industry. Jute is a raw material 
for agro-based industry. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Jute mills 
arc agro-based industry. You are right 
there. 

SHRI D. P, DHAR : I accept quite a 
number of your theses except some which 
you do not accept yourself. 

The question, therefore, is that as far as 
the industries which are installed there are 
concerned, namely, the engineering industries, 
they suffer from what has become fashionable 
in our country sickness. In the case of 
every industry— in many cases I admit— where 
the owner takes away the milk and the cream 
out of the industry, he declares it sick and 
the sick child falls in our lap. My hon. 
friends there also say, yes, the Government 
should take it over because out of the kind- 
ness of their heart which always melts on such 



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iResn.) 


occasions. tbe| Bay, that so many workers 
wifj starve and, therefore, you adopt this sick 
child. This process of adoption is endless. 
E Ven the healthy children are now falling 
sick and, I ana afraid, a time may come, 
unless and until we do something drastic 
about it, when the lap of the Central Govern- 
ment will be not only full but will have no 
capacity, even if it is joined with the capacious 
lap of Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, to hold any sick 

child. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : What 
about R. P. Goenka and Balmer Lawrie ? 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Ultimately, even 
he may fall sick. That is my difficulty. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU And reco- 
ver elsewhere. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : 1 will send them 

to you for maternity care. 

I am grateful to the West Bengal Govern- 
ment for the highly competent planning board 
which they have set up and which can be an 
example to many States in the country. I 
have told them that it is time not only to 
start with curative measures, namely, when 
the person falls sick, you start a cure, but 
also preventive measures. Therefore, we have 
agreed in the Planning Commission with this 
highly laudable suggestion of the West Bengal 
Government. The Chief Minister was here 
yesterday with his colleagues of the planning 
board, as I said, a very competent, a very 
efficient planning board .. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Chickens 
have been counted before they are hatched. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Well, it depends 
on your capacity. It is a question of incuba- 
tion. The processes are different. I would 
again deal with chicken when I come to 
agriculture. 

Therefore, we have agreed in the Planning 
Commission in conjunction with the Govern- 
ment of West Bengal that we shall help either 
the Industrial Reconstruction Corporation, 
strengthen it, or have a new machinery to 
examine thoroughly the working of some of 
these mills, some of these enterprises, so that 
we examine in each case what is exactly the 


malady from which an industry is likely to 
suffer. 

Secondly, and I think this fact is incon- 
trovertible, in the last two or three years we 
have tried to increase the orders for those 
industries of things which they are competent 
and capable of manufacturing, namely, wagons, 
and the orders run into several crores. We 
feel that if the climate of harmony prevails, 
as it is prevailing by and large today in 
West Bengal, and given the necessary effort, 
given the necessary financial assistance, given 
the necessary managerial competence which is 
not lacking in our country, I think that in a 
short period of time most of these enterprises 
will be well on their way to a healthy exis- 
tence. 

Thirdly, we are also conscious of the fact 
that the second category of engineering indust- 
ries is suffering from lack of raw materials, 
mainly steel. We again discussed this question 
with the Government of West Bengal yester- 
day and we are trying to do our best, as far 
as the engineering industry in West Bengal is 
concerned, to increase the allocation of some 
of the essential raw materials. 

As far as jute is concerned, I do agree 
with Shri Gupta that there must be a rationa- 
le in determining the jute prices. But what 
is far more important is that whatever in- 
crease you may make in the jute price reaches 
the grower, the man who produces. The 
difficulty in West Bengal is— I am sorry. I 
speak as if I am a Bengali though my sub- 
caste sometimes dots create some difficulty 
and embarrasfment to my distinguished 
friend, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu — that the ele- 
ment of price which the producer gets is lower 
than the price that is usually fixed. So, I 
was very happy to find t^pj the West Bengal 
Government was fully aware of this fact, and 
the manner in which they want to deal with 
this question gives me hope that any increases 
which will take place, or are likely tc take 
place, in the jute prices, consistent with the 
prices of the end products which have got 
to be competitive, those increases will reach 
the grower and will not be pocketed by the 
middlemen. 

SHRI JYOTIMOY BOSU : What about 
the Jute Enquiry Committee Report ? That 
was scuttled under pressure. 



275 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation ofW \ Bengal (Resn ) 276 


SHRI D. P, DHAfc : There is no pres- 
sure. 1 hope Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu knows me 
sufficiently well. I am not under pressure of 
the gentleman he is referring to. 1 will never 
be a party to any organisation which yields 
to such pressure. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am talking 
of the entire government. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : The Government 
is clean ; it does not suffer from pressures. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The people 
are not convinced of it. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I am convinced 
that the people of India are convinced of it. 
While I submitted that every effort has 
to be made on some of the lines -the list 
is by no means exhaustive— for the rehabilita- 
tion of the industries and the industrial struc- 
ture, for its diversification, for its expansion 
in West Bengal, at the same time, the main 
prosperity both in terms of generating employ- 
ment and in terms of generating higher money 
incomes will come from the favoured subject 
of my distinguished friend, Shri Jyotirmoy 
Bosu, namely, the chicken, namely, agricul- 
ture, West Bengal is about to embark on, 

I should say, comparatively, reasonable pro- 
gressive land legislation. In my opinion, 
when fulfilled, this will be one of the pre- 
conditions for releasing the energies of the 
agricultural population, for devoting them to 
greater production. Along with that, we have 
got to have package piogammes so that the 
facilities of credit, the facilities of better seeds, 
fertilisers, pesticides, etc. and water, above 
all— irrigation- are made available not to the 
upper, richer layer of agriculturists but the 
lowest layer of agriculturists. ( Interruption ) 
If you come with me to Kashmir, I would 
show it to you. If you come with me to 
Maharashtra, I ti&ill show If you come 
with me to where Mr. Patel was ruling— tho- 
ugh I and he differ in politics, we have been 
very old friends- I will show. ..In many parts 
they have made this package programme a 
great success. I do not believe in condemn- 
ing something merely because I differ from 
some in politics. (Interruption) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU You are 
carrying coai, to New Castle. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : The question is that 
we have to remedy defects and those defects 


cannot be remedied by paying all your kind 
attention, all your sweet attention, to me 
while 1 am speaking in this House. They 
will have to be remedied. 

Again in the village it is our duty to see 
that this package of programme, that this pac- 
kage of aid, that this assistance reaches the 
deserving, and I can assure you that I was 
deeply impressed by the big programme— my 
only objection was to the size, to the bigness 
of the programme ; nevertheless, the essence, 
the character, of the programme which the 
West Bengal Government and its Planning 
Board have visualised for this purpose is very 
laudable, and once it comes into motion, I am 
very sure that, within a period of a year and 
a half, you will see that the face of the West 
Bengal countryside will change ; and when it 
changes, I would love to see the faces of my 
friends there. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We should 
very carefully preserve your valuable speech. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : I am most hono- 
ured. 

I am very conscious of the clock, Mr. 
Chairman, to which you are looking 
repeatedly. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You can take your 
own time. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : But I would only 
make reference to one or two other points. 

One of them is a very tragic situation in 
West Bengal, / e, t the problem of the educated 
unemployed, It is tragic because Bengal 
happened to be one of those few areas in our 
country before Independence which made the 
headway in the field of education, and parti- 
cularly higher education, and that this should 
now freeze in the form of a cruel tragedy is 
indeed very sad. No programmes for the 
improvement of the economy of West Bengal 
will be complete, unless aod until we make 
serious efforts, genuine efforts, to make a size- 
able impact on the problem of educated un- 
employed in West Bengal. This is one of the 
most essential elements that we have to look 
after. For this purpose again, I would refer 
to the West Bengal Planning Board' and to 



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(Resn) 


my discussions with the Chief Minister of 
West Bengal for this purpose, I found that 
some of the programmes that they have drawn 
up are absolutely realistic and are likely to 
bear fruit in the shortest possible time. 

These, in my humble opinion, are the 
broad outlines of the present malaise which 
afflicts the economy of West Bengal and along 
with these, I have ventured Mr. Chairman, 
to suggest also in the broadest outline some 
of the remedies which are being considered 
actively by the State Government in conjuction 
with the Central Government and the plann- 
ing Commission. 

I personally feel and I am sure that my 
colleagues m the Government of India, my 
colleagues in my own Party to which I have 
the honour to belong, share my view that 
West Bengal, because of the tragedy it has 
gone through, which was described so poigna- 
ntly by Prof. Mukerji, has to be treated on a 
different level from other States for the pur- 
poses of development. We have to take into 
account the fact that one tragedy after another 
followed this land, this land of great people, this 
land of wonderful people and this most belov- 
ed part of our country and, it is, therefore, 
the responsibility of the rc't of India for 
whom West Bengal has suffered even in 
the last one year they had to give shelter and 
hospitality to over seven to eight million 
refugees, I was a witness of that tragedy, that 
grim tragedy. Therefore, I can assure the 
mover of this resolution, I can assure this hon. 
House and I can assure the people of West 
Bengal on behalf of the Government of India 
that, as far as their problems are concerned, 
they will receive precedence for solution over 
the problems of any other part of the country. 
When I say this, I am not only repeating the 
promise, but I am also repeating an assurance 
which we shall, God willing, fulfil to the 
fullest measure possible. 

With these words and with this assurance, 
Mr, Chairman, I feel that the mover of this 
resolution will perhaps look at his suggestions 
once again which, by and large, are not merely 
acceptable to us but which are very valuable 
to us and shall guide us in formulating our 
Policies, for removing — to quote an expression 
from the Resolution — for removing the stag- 
nation from the economy of West Bengal . 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 

I am grateful to all the members who have 


participated in this discussion on both the days 
and have tried to highlight many problems, 
large and small, relating to West Bengal, 
many of which I was not able to cover, I 
am somewhat overwhelmed by the unusual 
spectacle of practically a ‘galaxy* of Ministers 
who have taken the trouble of investing this 
discussion with some seriousness. 

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah) : 
Only to assuage the feelings of West Bengal. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : That is a big 
thing. Sir, the Chief Minister of my State 
recently in a reference to the interim solution 
of the Farakka water problem, said to the 
Press : We have succeeded in de-linking this 
problem from political agitation. 

If agitation-whethe political or otherwise for 
which incidentally I think the people sent us 
here, to do the right type of agitation which 
is required on the Parliamentry floor, could 
produce some results, perhaps, although not 
to our fullest satisfaction.— so much to the 
good. I am glad several Ministers dealing 
with subjects with which I had dealt with in 
my opening remarks did take the trouble to 
come here and they tried to explain,— or, shall 
1 say, explain away,— some of the allegations 
that I had made. 

I also would like to congratulate our new 
Planning Minister for having made a very 
competent defence of a weak case. He is new 
to his responsibilities and I don't want to be 
uncharitable to him. Anyway, it is a very 
interesting speech because it gave us some 
insight, not perhaps directly into what is being 
done in West Bengal, but a sort of general 
insight, as to his outlook on the question of 
Planning, and the sense of priorities that he 
wishes to develop. 

% • 

I agree with the Planning Minister when 
he said that he did not get from this side of 
the House a total picture of the economic 
structure of West Bengal and remedies for 
which he said, he was hungering I only wish 
the House had an opportunity of having a 
debate of that dimension sometime in the 
future. I don’t know whether it will be 
possible. It is true that I did concentrate on 
certain specific matters ; this debate came up 
on Friday before last, and in this span of 
two weeks there have been some promising 
responses ; it would be wrong on my part to 



279 Problems of Economic AUGUST 25, 1972 Stagnation of W. Bengal (Bern) 280 


[Shri Indrajit Gupta] 

deny those responses, limited though they 
are, 

I spent quite a lot of time in my speech 
on the question of Farakka. The interim 
solution was found and 40,000 cusecs of 
water for which we were hungering,— or shall 
I say, thirsting,— have been promised to us at 
least for a period of five years, to start with. 
Better late than never. So I do not want to 
go into this matter more in detail, except to 
say this. I hope he will not think me un- 
charitable when I say this. The way the 
matter was solved almost overnight between 
him and the Chief Minister of West Bengal 
has, to my mind, only further deepened the 
mystery behind all these things. Of course, 
I welcome it, because if it were such a simple 
matter, I do not know what all this hullabaloo 
was about, and why this hullaballoo was 
allowed to develop, and they could have 
scotched it long ago. Why was that not 
done ? Even today, Dr. K. L. Rao has said 
that the original project report had recom- 
mended a certain schedule for the discharge 
of waters from the Ganga into the Bhagi* 
rathi, and it was exactly that schedule which he 
had placed before this House on the 31st May 
this year. He said that it was a quarrel only 
over two months of the year, the flow would 
be 40,000 cusecs and that would be assured. 
But I have that schedule with me here, which 
was part of his own statement made in this 
House on the last day of the last session, and 
it does not anywhere assure us of 40,000 cusecs 
for ten months of the year : it says that 

40,000 cusecs would be there only for six 
months of the year, namely from 20th June 
up to December, end for the rest of the period 
that is, from January to mid-March, and 
mid-March to mid-May and mid- May to the 
20th June, it would be something less than 

40.000 causecs, and. at times even less than 

20.000 cusecs would be available. Therefore, 
I say that the confusion is worse confounded 
now, but if we get the end-result, if the 

40.000 cusecs come, then it would be well and 
good. 

As far as the Civil Aviation and Tourism 
Minister’s reply goes, I do not know whether 
he had actually taken the trouble of reading 
my speech or he had simply been briefed by 
his Department. I had not complained 
incidentally that day about the behaviour of 
other international airlines towards the Dum 


Dum airport ; 1 had rather exonerated them 
in a way by saying that ’How can I blame 
them, when our own Air India takes an 
indifferent attitude towards Dum Dum ?* and 
I am very glad to hear from the hon. Minister 
today that at least one concession is going 
to be made that at least one flight, one inter- 
national flight of Air India will originate from 
Dum Dum and will terminate at Dum Dum, 

I think, beginning from next week... 

THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND 
CIVIL AVIATION (DR. KARAN SINGH) : 
From 3rd November. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : But two or 
three questions still remain. I do not except 
him to reply just now, but I would just draw 
his attention to them, and I had raised them 
last time also. What about the fact which I 
had pointed out that these west-bound inter- 
national flights from India are not charged 
at the same fares ? The fare structure works 
to the disadvantage of Calcutta, because 
20 per cent rebate is allowed on flights from 
Bombay or from Delhi, and that is one thing 
which acts as a disincentive. 

Again, what about the fact that no char- 
tered flights are operated by Air India from 
Dum Dum ? What about the fact that Dum 
Dum has been asked to content itself with 
the technical servicing of only Fokker Friend- 
ships and Dakotas while all Boeings and 
Caravelles are to be serviced only at Delhi or 
Bombay ? These questions still remain in 
our mind. Of course, I congratulate him on 
exposing rightly the bloomer that I had com- 
mitted about category I and category II land- 
ing equipment, stand correct. 

It was not simply a question of starting 
one flight from Dum Dum, but all these 
different aspects of this problem are things 
over which the people in West Bengal have 
rightly been aggrieved. Since he has now 
decided to intervene in the matter, I hope that 
he will pursue it still further. 

Then, there is the question of jute prices. 
The Planning Minister, I am sure, is aware 
of the fact that jute is the main cash crop of 
my State, in fact, not only of my State but of 
four or five States of Eastern India ; it is the 
principal cash crop there. The Planning 
Board of West Bengal to which he made a 
laudatory reference has only a day or two 



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(to.) 


ago made a survey and then calculated, that 
whereas the number of people below the 
poverty line in the rest of India works out 
to an average of 40 per cent of the population, 
the figure in West Bengal is 70 per cent. 
Everybody knows that this figure must include 
not only Bengalis but the several millions of 
non-Bengalis who work in our State, for their 
livelihood and whom we are happy to have 
there. Nobody in our State no responsible 
person or organisation or party in our State 
has as yet made any public utterance such as, 

I regret to say, was made in West Bengal, a 
few weeks ago by the Chief Minister of Bihar, 
who in a public speech at Asansol reminded the 
people that in Bihar, his Government had taken 
steps to ensure that 90 to 95 per cent of the 
jobs were reserved for the people of Bihar. No- 
body in Bengal has made a statement like that 
about Bengalis. We have never felt like that. 
Never have our people tried to rouse any 
kind of sentiments like that, as for example 
was done in Shri S. Mohan Dharia’s State by 
the Shiv Sena. We aie proud of this. We think 
the democratic movement in West Bengal 
should be proud of this fact. But you must 
see the problem in its true proportions. 

17 hrs. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN M1SHRA 
(Begusarai) : Was it in a sectarian spirit that 
the Chief Minister was saying that ? 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I do not 
know in what spirit he said it. And now we 
are having to struggle against a school of 
thought which is wanting to reply to him in 
the same terms. Do you want that to 
happen ? It will snowball. We do not want 
that. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I 
can say that in the breadth of our outlook, 
we do not yield to anyone, anywhere in the 
country. 

SHRI INDRAJIT OUPTA : My charge 
is — and I hope the Planning Minister will 
look into it at his leisure — is that the pricing 
policy approved by the Central Government 
has been'used as an instrument, particularly 
by the Finance Ministry, to inflate the prices 
of certain commodities, cash crops, and to 
depress the prices of others. In the case of 
raw cotton, in one decade, 1C61-62 to 1970-71, 
the price has been allowed to go up by 109 
per cent whereas the price of raw jute went 


up in the same period by 41 per cent. This 
seems to me to be a machinery by which the 
per capita income in predominantly cotton 
growing States is pushed up in relation to the 
per capita income in those states of eastern 
India whose main cash crop is raw jute. So 
these are also larger problems on which the 
question of general poverty and so on 
depends. 

I will touch on one or two specific 
points— I cannot go into a general discussion 
now. One is about the Jute Corporation of 
India, which I mentioned last time. There is 
an impression around, which has been voiced 
many times in this House, and refuted by 
Government, that sometimes politicians be- 
longing to the ruling party defeated at the 
polls ate compensated by being made chair- 
men of various corporations I am sorry to 
say that since I spoke on this two weeks ago 
and pointed out that this Corporation was 
without a Chairman, an appointment has been 
made which to our mind is rather disturbing 
because the Chairman of a jute corporation 
should have something to do with jute, should 
know something about it. This is a very 
important Corporation and I think the gentle- 
man who has been appointed is probably not 
very well qualified, if I may put it m the 
mildest possible language I can think of, to 
hold that charge. 

There is as yet no representation of West 
Bengal on the board of this Corporation. All 
the raw jute growing States are officially 
represented on the board except West Bengal. 
I would throw out a suggestion for his consi- 
deration. Since this central corporation has 
decided that in the coming season it will pur- 
chase raw jute in West Bengal from only three 
districts of North Bengal, Cooch-Behar, Malda 
and West Dinajpur, and since he knows very 
well that Norfh Benga^ is also one of the 
most backward regions in the country, how- 
ever developed Calcutta may be — I would 
suggest that they go into this question, I am 
sorry the only relevant Ministry not repre- 
sented here is the Ministry of Foreign Trade. 
Shri Mishra had promised that in areas where 
raw jute is grown , some new mills would be 
licensed, in Bihar, Tripura, Assam and so on. 
Very good. I would propose that since raw 
jute is going to be purchased only in three 
North Bengal districts by the Jute Corpora- 
tion and that raw jute has to be transported 
all the way and then across the Ganga to be 
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[Sbri Inderjit Gupta] 

made into sacks and those lacks are going to 
be sent back to North Bengal again, why not 
you consider the proposal to set up two or 
three small 10.000-tonne capacity jute mills 
in North Bengal, providing for the sacking 
requirements of that area 7 This is the only 
way it can be co-ordinated and it will go some 
way to easing the acute unemployment position 
in North Bengal also. 

Then, what about the Calcutta port ? 
Something was said about it in general terms. 
Nothing was said specifically about Haldia 
which 1 had raised. I still have no answer 
as to why dredging of the dock area is still 
held up due to some contractual dispute. I 
still have no reply as to when the work at 
Haldia is expected to be completed and why 
no decision has yet been taken about the 
location of a shipyard at Haldia, although the 
entire engineering infra-structure which is 
required for the shipyard is available close at 
hand in Calcutta. 

No development, I think, can take place 
at all— and the Planning Commission will 
agree— unless this power famine can be over- 
come. Neither industrial nor agricultural 
development nor anything can advance if we 
are in a perpetual state of chronic power 
shortage. Therefore, this has to be given 
topmost priority. We had discussion on this 
subject here the other day. I do not think 
the Members coming from West Bengal have 
been satisfied by whatever assurances were 
given by Dr. K. L. Rao Qn this subject, 
because, the various agencies— I have already 
mentioned that— responsible for providing 
West Bengal with power are all of them, 
without exception, in a state of utter mis- 
management and chaos. If a new committee 
is set up as the Planning Minister promised 
just now— a high-pq^r committee in the 
place of what I would call the bogus committee 
consisting of people who arc to be taken to 
task- may be something will come to light. 

MR. CHAIRMAN The hon. Member’s 
time is up. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : But a very, 
very energetic action will be required before 
this power famine can be overcome in an 
area which has the biggest industrial and 
commercial concentration in this country and 
where 2,00,000 industrial workers have been 


laid off because of these power cuts, and 
where the West Bengal Government’s plan to 
electrify at least 10,000 villages has to be 
given the go-by. So, how is this problem to 
be solved unless these specific things are taken 
up ? That is why I tried to highlight 
those specific problems. 

Sir, you have rung the bell. I can go on 
for quite a long time, but it would not be fair. 
We will take another opportunity sometime. 
Now, I would like to know why the hon. 
Minister is not accepting my resolution, Is 
it because he has in effect accepted the 
demands which I have made in the resolution ? 
In the resolution I have demanded that the 
Central Government should not in anyway resile 
or backslide from the specific assurances which 
have been given from time to time regarding 
the solution of these specific problems. If he 
is accepting that demand in the form of an 
assurance, that means something. We will 
hold the Minister, the Government of India, 
to it, because all that we are asking for here 
is that the assurances given and the mandate 
given by the people to this Government in 
respect of that should be carried out If they 
are not carried out, then, what sort of 
consequences might follow, many of my 
colleagues in the House have hinted at and 
given a warning of it. 

SHRI D. P. DHAR : Only waiting here— 

SIIRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Nobody is 
waiting here, because the people who are 
suffering are not in Delhi ; they are at the 
other end. So, I would like to know from 
the hon. Minister in what way he regards this 
resolution before I decide whether I am going 
to press it or not. 

SHRI D P. DHAR : The resolution was 
in the form of a reminder to us that we should 
keep our promises and wc should not dilute 
our promises. I assure the hon. Members that 
his fears, his apprehensions, were not well* 
founded and that it was in our character, 
and the character of our party and the charac- 
ter of our Government to stick to whatever 
promises we have made and not to allow any 
dilution of our promises. That is the solemn 
assurance that I can give. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Without 
agreeing with his formulation of the charac- 
teristics of his party and the Government, to 



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which I do not agree at all, nevertheless, since 
be has given an assurance for the future, I do 
not wish to divide the House on this question. 
I prefer to let the assurance stand and then 
we will hold them on to it. On the basis of 
the assurance, I do not press my Resolution 
to a vote. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Has the hon. Mem- 
ber the leave of the House to withdraw his 
Resolution ? 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes. 

The Resolution was , by leave , withdrawn . 


17.12 hrs. 

RESOLUTION RE: PROBLEM OF 
UNEMPLOYMENT 

SHRIMATI MAYA RAY (Raiganj) ; I 
beg to move that : 

“This House, while appreciating the efforts 
of the Central Government to eradicate 
unemployment, is of the opinion that the 
Central Government in co-ordination with 
the State Governments should work out a 
time bound, phased programme 10 solve 
the massive unemployment problem facing 
the country and take immediate positive 
and concrete steps to tackle the same.” 

My intention in bringing this Resolution 
before the House is to focus attention of all 
those concerned on the burning problem of 
unemployment, the solution of which brooks 
no further delay. And I say this with all 
the emphasis at my command. In doing so, 
I am not suggesting that the Government is 
not aware of the problems, or that it is not 
intending to deal with it in all urgency. In 
fact, I make bold to say that no government 
so far has dealt with this issue in all its 
magnitude, with the sense of earnestness and 
purpose as the present government of today. 
This is demonstrated by the findings of the 
interim report of the Bagavathi Committee on 
Unemployment. The Dantwala Committee 
has been set up. The Joint Consultative 
Council on Community Development and 
Panchayati Raj has also been constituted. The 
National Committee on Science and Techno- 
logy is preparing a scheme to absorb 


unemployed engineers. The Bagavathi Com- 
mittee Interim Report has disclosed a number 
of constructive methods of ameliorating this 
dread disease in our society. Thus the 
Government is certainly aware of the dimen- 
sions and the urgency of this problem. 

I shall not meander into the realms of 
statistics while talking about unemployment 
for the simple reason that I for one do not 
believe that anyone is in possession of the 
correct figures or a correct estimate of the 
context of this unemployment problem. There- 
fore, the first task before us is to find out the 
exact nature and dimension of the problem. 
This we can do, by firstly, taking a sample 
survey of all the employment exchanges in the 
country. This should be done by the Central 
Government and State Governments to ascer- 
tain the actual unemployment figures in the 
live registers, bearing m mind that it is not 
all the unemployed who actually register 
themselves in these employment exchanges, 
for various reasons which one need not go 
into here or elaborate because, sometimes I 
must confess these employment exchanges do 
cot work in the way they should. 

Secondly, the State Governments should 
undertake a block wise survey of the unem- 
ployed in each block, in each district and in 
each State. From my experience of travelling 
extensively in the districts of my State, that 
is to say, West Bengal, I can tell you that 
such blockwise surveys will disclose the most 
horrifying spectacle. The spectre of unem- 
ployment casts an ominous shadow across 
the length and breadth of our country 
enveloping it with despair. If this problem 
is not tackled vigrously, purposefully and with 
fortitude, the very structure of our society 
stands imperilled. 

The right tq work is enshrined in the 
Directive Principles of ^oar Constitution. The 
youth of any nation is its potential wealth. 
It is this vast section who are e.gerly await- 
ing the opportunity to participate in the 
building of this country. If this eagerness 
and energy is not canalised and harnessed 
for the development of this great nation, we 
shall be swept by a tidal wave of frustration, 
grief and revolt, the magnitude of which 
will sweep aside everything before it and 
there will remain in its wake, only chaos. 

I say this with full responsibility for we 
are standing literally at the edge of a pre- 



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cipice and with absolutely no time to lose. 
On the other hand, I say this also, that if 
adequate and immediate steps are taken 
Which show tangible and concrete results 
in each State, our countrymen are patient 
people, . our countrymen are wise people and 
will be willing to give us time to see our 
programmes through. I have that much 
faith in the people of our country. But, on 
the other hand, if they see only feeble 
attempts at dabbling with this petrifying 
problem, we will not be forgiven and the con- 
sequences will be chaotic. Therefore, this 
formidable challenge has to be met and meet 
it we shall. 

There has to be a classification of the 
Rural and Urban unemployed. This is essential 
and of the utmost importance in order to be 
able to grapple with the situation. It is only 
when we have gauged the exactness of the 
problems with which we are dealing, that we 
can combat it. This much is certain, that 
the unemployment spreading from one end 
of the country to the other and engulfing it, 
is massive and gigantic. Therefere, while 
this survey goes on, immediate and short- 
term measures have to be taken to generate 
employment to as many as possible, as 
quickly as possible. While long-term plans aie 
being formulated, immediate projects to 
absorb as many unemployed as possible have 
to be launched. 

To deal with Rural unemployment first, 
as everyone knows, there is periodic seasonal 
unemployment. To eradicate this, double 
and triple cropping has to be introduced in 
order to minimise these periods, and also 
to provide for the absorption of more of the 
agricultural unemployed. Secondly, there must 
be electrification of all the villages. In this 
regard, I would urge the Central Govern- 
ment to pay special attention to those States 
where this programme of rural electrification 
has not been vigorously implemented, such as, 
Assam, Tripura, Orissa, U.P, West Bengal 
and Bihar. Haryana is in the happy position 
of having a 100 per cent rural electrification 
and the degree of rural affluence is a joy to 
see. 

Rural electrification is essential for the 
otter methods of solving this unemployment 
problem and that is minor irrigation and 
tytqtbgsed small scale industries. There is 


no need to go into the reasons as to why 
these States have not progressed as much as 
they should have done in electrification, or 
to hold any post morHm on this, where 
many might say, Haryana was able to achieve 
100 per cent electrification so why were the 
other States not able to do so. The fact 
remains that these areas have not progressed 
and to leave these regions in that state of 
backwardness will not help the rest of India 
for the winds of socio-economic and political 
unrest travel fast and wide and may equally 
envelop the other parts of India with a speed 
unimaginable. 

With electrification and power being con- 
ditions precedent, the next question that 
will arise is where the funds for minor irri- 
gation and agro-based industries are to come 
from Here, our financial institutions can 
come forward and help in a very big way by 
granting loans against the guarantee of State 
Governments. The security is there for them. 
Minor irrigation schemes and schemes for 
power can never be a loss. They will be per- 
fectly safe investments, and the financial 
institutions will not be in jeopardy. Low 
capital intensive areas with possibilities of 
converting them technologically into small- 
scale industries will offer opportunities of 
absorbing labour force. These, in their turn, 
can feed large industries upon expansion 
over the years, building up a concrete 
network 

With the advent of agro-based industries 
and small scale and cottage industries, oppor- 
tunities for self employment are increased, 
because round aoout these small industries 
will grow a small nucleus of society requi- 
ring social services and all this will help. 
Enlarging the scope for self-employment 
would reduce the exodus of labour from one 
region to another and prevent excessive 
concentration in large cities. 

The next way of touching the fringe of 
this problem is through an intensive pro- 
gramme for primary education. The Minister 
of Education has already submitted a scheme 
for this. More teachers will be employed in 
rural areas only in respect of primary edu- 
cation which, in its wake, will bring building 
programmes for .schools and provide for 
the absorption of some of the labour forces 
in the rural areas. 



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We should keep in mind the fact that 
every village in India must have minimum 
facilities for medical treatment, primary edu- 
cation, power, doubie and triple cropping, 
one cottage or small scale industry run on 
power and one community hall. If these 
minimum requirements can be given to each 
village, it will create an infrastructure, 
opening out further avenues of rural employ- 
ment. 

Much of all that I have said has been 
said over and over again, and none of 
these is original. What I am trying to em- 
phasize is that the time has gone for mere 
planning alone in a vacuum and in committee 
rooms. These committees also come out with 
variations of the same theme. We must now 
spread out into every district and go right 
down to the grassroots to see that there is 
overt action, and implementation is effected 
in a forceful and dynamic manner so that its 
impact may be felt by the people in every 
strata. 

Good works never suffer for want of 
funds or enthusiasm. What fills one with 
despair is to see corruption seeping through 
insidiously gnawing away into the vitals, 
which might lead to a total collapse. This we 
will not allow, we must not allow, for, future 
generations will not forgive us. 

Our performance must match our words. 
With proper co-ordination of agricultural 
programmes and rural industrial projects we 
will surmount these seemingly indomitable 
hurdles. 

Next I come to the problem of urban un- 
employment. Regarding urban unemployment, 
the whole concept of employment has to be 
changed. We cannot be content to see a nation 
of pen-pushers emerging. If I talk of West 
Bengal, the State which is groaning under the 
weight of 28 lakhs of unemployed persons, the 
maximum of pen-pushing jobs that can be 
found at the outside will be less than for 
one lakh of persons. This cannot be so. We 
have our eyes fixed on a technical revolution 
which will inevitably usher in a technological 
socielty in a technocratic age, and with that in 
view, the whole concept of manual labour and 
working with our hands has to be brought in 
emphatically. 

This debilitating process of building up a 
nation of suburban white*collared citizens 


must go, and due regard and respect must be 
given to those who work literally with their 
hands. 

We have to build up a society, where 
after a hard day's work, we can walk into 
a concert hall and perhaps find a sweeper 
sitting next to a High Court Judge enjoying 
the songs of a classical singer. Let us truth* 
fully admit, Mr. Chairman, that such a society 
does not exist in our country to-day. The 
fabric of our whole social structure has to 
change and all barriers broken through, 
where a man is accorded due respect for his 
contribution to society, in whatever form that 
may be. 

This then brings us to introducing vast 
changes in our educational system This 
idea of a college education being a 'must', to 
give one as social status, must go. It is no use 
turning out college graduates one after another 
en masse to enable one to say 'He or she 
is a respectable citizen’. 

College education should be shrunk into 
a thin stream, on a selective basis at an 
early stage, on the basis of a high order 
of intellectual capacity, for the sole purpose 
of higher education and research. 

The content and structure of secondary 
and technical education must be changed to 
give it a high degree of priority. It is 
these institutions that must turn out persons 
fit for jobs. Persons coming out of these 
schools must be entitled to a job, and that 
job must be one that they do with their 
hands. 

This means emphasis on vocational 
training for the ^general cross-section of society 
with a thin stream beifig diverted to the 
colleges for specific purposes. 

What is the picture to-day ? Every one 
goes to college, turns out to be a graduate 
and then looks askance when a manual job 
is offered to him. This attitude will not solve 
our problem and we must face the reality. 

This concept of working manually can be 
accelerated by decentralisation in industry, 
for example, by linking large-scale enter- 
prises with small-scale feeder units. Increase in 
the number of jobs in the tertiary sector, 
which is inevitable when the urban cotnmu* 



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(Shrimati Maya Ray] 

nity will be increasingly demanding various 
services, and for these types of services, tech- 
nological training has to be provided. 

Here again I feel if proper guidance and 
publicity is given to this need for changing 
our social ideas, this is not an insoluble prob- 
lem and we will be able to achieve a lot. 

Here, I would urge others to help. It is 
not only the Government that can help in 
this, but the Press and Opposition also can 
help, because I feel they also want a wonder- 
ful and a beautiful country to come into 
being. Maybe, we have political differences as 
to the methods of achieving it, but our ulti- 
mate goal is the same. 

Lastly, I wish to say that there must be 
more imagination with regard to industry. 
The industrial growth is approximately 1*8% 
today— I am open to correction. This must be 
increased to 8%. How ? Why not concentrate 
on our export trade so that we too may 
launch out in a big way in the international 
world market ? 

For instance, the idea of having three 
major free ports, one on the eastern coast.., 

MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Member 
may continue her speech next time. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY JBOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Please allow us to move the amend- 
ments, 

SHRIMATI MAYA RAY : I do not like 
violating any convention, but this is my first 
speech... 

MR. CHAIRMAN : You may continue 
when the subject canws up ntM.... (Interrup- 
tions) Now it is 5*30 and we have to take up 
the half-an-hour discussion. This is her maiden 
speech. She may take her own time. You 
continue next time. 

Dr. Luxmi Narain Pandeya. 

17.30 hrs. 

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION 
Upgradation of Cities and Towns 

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cealing facts Otherwise, it is not admitted. 
That is the preliminary thing actually. 

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pur) : “ I cannot bring a privilege motion in 
regard to that ; but lean refer to what ha$ 


already appeared in the press. It is public 
property, 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I 
know under what rub you are preventing him 
from referring to that ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN He will please re- 
sume his seat. 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : All that 
will be done or we are asking them to do 
will amount to putting fuel in the ashes be- 
cause the Indian rupee is no more than 10 per 
cent of its original value. If I may quote a 
former Finance Minister, Shri Sachin Chau- 
dhuri, who said at the time of the devaluation 
of the rupee in 1966 that the value of it was 
80 P. Now of the 20P left, Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chavan, said the other day that the rupee has 



29% Upgradation of Cities BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAKA) and Towns {HAH Disc.) 298 


come to 50 per cent of its value. So it is 
10 f now. But if you go to the bazar, 
you wilt find it is not even 10P but much 
less. 

The question of population should not 
really enter the head of this Government in 
fixing the special allowance for different 
cities and different areas because the price 
index, what they collect at the wholesale point 
bears so little relation to the retail counter. I 
am sorry to say that this data collection is 
nothing but a fraud. It bears no relation to 
the retail counter. I do not know : you, 
Mr. Chairman, may be a wealthy man and do 
not know what is really happening to the man 
in the street. But this is a fact. 

Then I would say that the hill stations and 
very difficult areas should receive special 
consideration, no matter what the population 
of those areas is. 

Then there is one State where I know 
consumer goods sell at a very high premium, 
that is, Assam. So irrespective of 
whether Central Government employees are 
stationed there or not, Government must 
consider the case of these areas and do some- 
thing to meet their requirements. 

Lastly, the Pay Commission Report, by 
the time it really sees the light of day will 
become invalid because the rupee has eroded 
so much through a self erosin that it will be 
a waste of printing and stationery. Of 
course, if the Commission wants to live a 
little longer and look after itself, that is 
something the House can consider. But why 
have the mockery of a report which when it 
comes will cease to have any validity ? 

MR. CHAIRMAN : It is not fair to say 
that the Pay Commission would like to live 
longer. Please do not reflect on the com- 
mission, 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I am think- 
ing of a fair deal to those starving and semi- 
starving people. That is uppermost in my 
mind. The Pay Commission, whatever its 
prestige, is at the very bottom in my list. 
Therefore, without casting any reflections on 
them, I would say that by the time the report 
comes, it will amount to waste of paper, 
-printing and stationery because the Indian 


rupee by that time would have galloped down 
to a level where it will meet us nowhere. 
Under the circumstances, if the Government 
really want to go by the spirit and the inten- 
tion and not the letter of their manuscript, 
they should be liberal, as liberal as possible. 
Here I would quote an American saying : 
you can compel a man to come to work at 
the appointed time ; you can compel him to 
go through certain muscular motions ; but 
you cannot compel him to put his heart into 
the work. Now, your employees are half- 
starving and are groaning under economic 
pressures. If you do not give them the 
minimum living and surviving wage and 
emoluments, all these big talks will be next to 
nothing. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, about the upgradation of the 
cities and towns, when Mr. T. T. Krishnama- 
chari was the Finance Minister, he revised 
the population basis by reducing the number 
from 20 lakhs to 16 lakhs, because the popu- 
lation of Madras was only 16 lakhs then. It 
is on record. It was done after a non- 
official resolution by Shri Manoharan was 
adopted. I also took advantage of that and 
it resulted in the upgradation of Kanpur to 
B-I from C. It means that the population 
basis was not a sound basis. Even today, if 
you really consider the population basis as a 
sound basis, you will find that an increase in 
population and family planning cannot go 
together. I am prepared to reduce the popu- 
lation of Kanpur from 20 lakhs to 16 lakhs 
provided 1 am exempted from family planning. 
I will ask the people of Kanpur to reduce the 
population. So, the real basis is . ( Interrup- 
tion) 1 am serious. I am speaking 
for the entire country. Populution 
basis has become obsolete. What is impor- 
tant is the rise in the cost of living through- 
out the country. The index has now reached 
238— it is the all-India figure— and the Central 
Government employees an entitled to another 
instalment of interim relief according to the 
commitment of the Government which, of 
course, the hon. Minister will annouce later 
on. 

The question here is, certain cities have 
been upgraded. I have received telegrams 
from Ambernath which is contiguous to 
Bombay, and it is tragic that Ambernath is 
costlier than Bombay. For the people at 
Ambernath, nothing has been given. Then 



299 Upgrada/idnof Gbtes AUGUST 25, tm and Towns (HAH Disc.) 300 


[Shri S. M. BanerjeeJ , J 

take Kankinara, the cdstliest town in 24 
Parganas district, apart from Ichhapore, 
Shantinagar and Kantinagar. I have received 
telegrams from Kankinara. But nothing has 
been done for them. I have also received 
telegrams from Ludhiana which has been 
conveniently omitted because of the population 
basis. The people of Ludhiana have been 
following the family planning programme 
and therefore (hey are suffering. It is very 
wrong. I request the hon. Minister to kindly 
let us know what he is going to do about it. 
Id all these cases, representations have been 
made. I know the representation has been 
made by the co-ordinating committee of the 
Centra] Government Employees at Ludhiana. 
It has been forwarded to the hon. Minister, 

So, in all seriousness and humility, I will 
submit to the hon Minister 10 kindly re- 
consider the whole thing and change the 
basis from one of population to that cost of 
living. That would give the people a fair 
wage. With this request, I would like the 
hon. Minister to kindly let us know what other 
cities are likely to be upgraded after reconsi- 
deration of the whole thing. 

SHRI DINEN BH ATTACH ARY YA 
(Serampore) : I also reiterate the points that 
have been made here, thar population should 
not be the basis in respect of upgrading a 
city or town or whatever you may call it Sir, 
in the year 1963, I raised the issue on the 
very same aspect So far as the reimburse- 
ment of medical expenses is concerned, the 
discrimination is there regarding the reim- 
bursement of medical expenses in respect of 
big and small towns and cities. Actually, if 
you go round India, almost everywhere you 
will find the costs arc almost the same so far 
as the consumer goods are concerned. 

Then, I think v the same old bureaucrats 
who have been there since the Bnltsh regime 
are carrying on the old traditions. Otherwise, 
these things cannot continue. I am in Delhi 
now. I am purchasing an egg at 30 paise. I go to 
Ghaziabad, and I would not find an egg for less 
than 35 paise there. The situation is similar 
in respect of other articles also Not only the 
co 9 t of consumer goods but house- rent is also 
rather more in the small towns than in the 
big cities or towns. Conveyance and other 
items are costlier in a smaller town, specially 
a suburban town of a big city like Bombay, 


Calcutta, Madras or Delhi. The cost ofliving 
in those areas is higher than thar of a city. 

So, I would suggest that we should do 
away with upgrading of cities on the basis of 
population. I have got here with me a memo- 
randum which I received from Visakhapatnam 
which was passed by the municipality and the 
organisation of Central Government emp- 
loyees stating that that city must be upgraded 
because otherwise they will not get house rent, 
city compensatory allowance and medical 
allowance. I can mention any number of ins- 
tances. As Shri Banerjee mentioned, the cost 
of living in Durgapur is higher than that of 
Calcutta. In fact, Calcutta is cheaper. Yet, 
Durgapur is not classified as Class A. This 
method of discriminating between employees 
has no rationale. Now after every census the 
cities are re-classified. It should be done 
away with. The criterion for classification 
should be the cost of living and not popu- 
lation. 

Then, as has been stated by other hon. 
Members, the cost of living index has gone 
up by more than ten points. Still, you have not 
paid them increased dearness allowance to 
which they are entitled. I want the Govern- 
ment to announce increased dearness allowance 
consequeni on the increase in the cost of 
living. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. 
GANESH) : There are two or three points 
that have emerged in this discussion. Before 
I take up this. I would like to say that the 
hon. Member, Dr. Pandeya, who made a 
reference to the different replies given in this 
House and the other House has probably made 
a mistake. Probably he was referring to the 
figures that we have given of the mid -census 
survey that was taken, as a result of which 
certain cities were re-classified. That has 
nothing to do wiih the information which we 
have given to this House of the classification 
of cities on the basis of the present census. 

As the House is aware, dearness allowance 
is given to the Central Government employees 
at a uniform rate. Over and above that, house 
rent allowance and compensatory allowance 
are given on the basis of a criterion of popula- 
tion of municipalities, corporations, notified 
areas and such other notified areas 
or bodies. It is on this basis that the 



301 Upgradation of Cities BHADRA 3, 1894 (SAX! A) and Towns (If AH Disc) 30 2 


present cities have been reclassified or up- 
graded. 

Whether population is the correct index 
of finding the costliness or expensiveness of 
a place is a matter which is being discussed 
in the country. There are various views on 
this matter. It is urged that population cannot 
be the correct criterion for judging the ex- 
pensiveness or costliness of a place. 

The First Pay Commission and the Second 
Pay Commission had gone into this question. 
After going into this question, the Second 
Pay Commission also came to a conclusion 
that the population alone was a rational for- 
mula that they could find, of course, certain 
marginal cases will always arise in which the 
Government can take decision on the merits 
of the cases. But as far as the present formula 
is concerned, it is a formula which has been 
worked out by the Second Pay Commission. 
They had said thac the population alone was 
found to be a rational formula. 

Now, the Third Pay Commission is there 
and this matter is before the Third Pay 
Commission. All employees’ organisations, 
all employees’ federations, all emp- 
loyees’ bodies, have represented to the 
Pay Commission about this particular matter. 
All that I can say is that it is an important 
matter. A high-powered body is sitting there 
and it is for a high-powered body like the 
Third Pay Commission to go into various 


aspects of the matter and see the complexities 
involved in having any other formula which 
may be worked out in a large country like 
India. On the basis of the recommendations 
of the Pay Commission, the Government can 
always consider the position. 

About this Notification which was issued 
and the many cities having been re-classified, 
this was done on the basis of the existing 
formula. Had we waited for the Third Pay 
Commission’s recommendations, these emp- 
loyees who were already qualified to get new 
grades of house rent allowance and city com- 
pensatory allowance would not have got them. 
Therefore, the Government took the first 
opportunity as soon as the census figures were 
available to re-classify and upgrade the cities. 

I hope, the Third Pay Commission will go 
into this matter. It is a matter which the 
Pay Commission will have to go into. That 
the cost of living is a constant factor, I do 
not want to give arguments for that. This is 
a matter into which the Pay Commission 
will go and decide what should be the best 
criteria for judging the city costliness so that 
the house rent allowance and the city compen- 
satory allowance may be given accordingly. 

18 00 hrs. 

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven 

of the Clock on Saturday , August 
26, l972lBhadra 4 , 1894 (Saka) 


Printed at : Shahdara Printing Press, K-18 Navin Shahdara, Delhi-32. 


25-8-72 




CONTENTS 

No. 19 —Saturday, August 26, 1972lBhadru4,189i(Saka) 


Paper laid on the Table 


Column* 

2 

Message from Rajya Sabha . . 

• . 

2 

Insecticides (Amendment) Bill— 

As passed by Rajya Sabha 

• • 

3 

Estimates Committee— 

Twenty-second and Twenty-third Reports 

• 

3 

Business of the House 

• . 

3-12 

Presidential and Vice-Presidential Election's (Amendment) Bill — 
Introduced . . 

12 ' 

Adoption of Children Bill - 

Motion to concur in Rajya Sabha i commendation to 
joint committee 

join 

12-14 

Mines and Minerals (Regulation and Development) Amendment 


Bill— 

Motion to consider 

, • 

14—50 

Shri R. N. Sharma 


14-18 

Shri K. M. Madhukar 


18—22 

Sliri Shrikishan Modi 


22—27 

Shri J. Matha Gowder 


27-31 

Shri Damodar Paudey 


32—36 

Shri G. P. Yadav 


37—39 

Shri Shahnawaz Khan 

. . 

40—46 

Clauses 2 to 16 and 1— 

Motion to pass, as amended 

•. * 

50 

Rulers of Indian States (Abolition of Privileges) Bill- 

Motion to consider 


50 

Shri H. R. Gokhale 


50—54 

Shri Biren Dutta 


54—55 

Shri M. Kathamuthu . . 


55—58 

Shri 3. Matha Gowder 


58-61 

Shri Jagannathroo Joshi . . ^ . 


61—65 

Shri Shyamnandan Mishra , . . ■ 


65—74 



Columns 


Clauses 2 to 7 and 1— 

Motion to pass 

80 

The Seeds (Amendment) Bill— 

Motion to consider 

80 

Shri Annasaheb P. Shiude 

80 -83, 
06—100 

Shri Jagdisli Bhattacharyya 

83—84 

Shri Mohanraj Kalmgarayar 

83— 86 

Shri R. V. Bade 

86-88 

Shri P. M. Mehta 

88 

Shri Darbara Singh 

88—02 

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra 

92—95 

Clauses 2 to 5 and 1 — 

Motion to Pass 

101 

Motion Rp. Final Report of the Direct Taxes Enquiry Committee 

101—84 

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 

102—17 

Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao 

117—35, 

181—82 

Shri K. Baladhandayutham 

135—41 

Shri N.K.P. Salve 

141—51 

Shri Murasoli Maran 

152—58 

Shri D. D. Dcsai 

159—61 

Shri Virendra Agarwal 

161—65 

Shri C. M. Stephen 

165—69 

Shri Piloo Mody 

169—76 

Shri N. K. Sanghi 

176—81 

Shri Shyamnandan Mishra 

182—83 

Business Advisory Committee — 

Six Weil th Report . , , . . . . . . . 

176 



LOKSABHA DEBATE 


I 

LOK SABHA 

Saturday , August 26, 1972 /Bhadra 4, 
1894 (Saka) 

The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the 

Clock 

[Mr. Speaker m the Chair ] 

MR. SPEAKER: Papers to be hud 
on the Table. 

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vision . . . ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): 
The picture is very clear. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour): Let me make a sub- 
mission, Sir . . . 

MR. SPEAKER: If I have to go 
by pictures, I will have to consider 
all the pictures. 

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSHI: 
The Minister must make a state- 
ment. 


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II 02 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 

Post Office Savings Certificate 
(Amendment) Rules, 1972 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K R. GANESH): I beg to 
lay on the Table a copy of the Post 
Office Savings Certificates (Amend- 
ment) Rules 1972 (Hindi and English 
versions) published in Notification 
No. G.S.R. 958 in Gazette of India 
dated the 12th August. 1972 under 
sub-section (3) of section 12 of the 
Government Savings Certificates 
Act, 1959. [Placed in Library. See 
No. LT-3501/72.] 

MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY: Sir, I have to re- 
port the following message received 
from * the Secretary of Rajya 
Sabha:— • • 

‘‘In accordance with the provi- 
sions of rule 111 of the 
Rules of Procedure and Con- 
duct of Business in the 
Rajya Sabha, I am directed 
to enclose a copy of the In- 
secticides (Amendment) Bill, 
1972, which has been passed 
by the Rajya Sabha at its 
sitting held on the 23rd 
August, 1972", 



3 


'4 


AUGUST 26, 1972 


4 


INSECTICIDES (AMENDMENT) 
BILL 

AS PASSED BY RAJYA SABHA 

SECRETARY: Sir. I lay on the 
Table of the House the Insecticides 
(Amendment) Bill, 1972, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha. 


ESTIMATES COMMITTEE 
Twenty-second and Twenty-third 
Reports 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 
HALDER (Ausgram): I beg to pre- 
sent the following Reports of the 
Estimates Committee: 

(1) Twenty-second Report on 
the Ministry of Shipping and 
Transport regarding action 
taken bv Government on the 
recommendations contained 
in their First Report on the 
Ministry of Shipping and 
Transport — Visakhapatnam 
Port. 

(2) Twenty-third Report on the 
Ministry of Shipping and 
Transport regarding action 
taken by Government c M the 
recommendations contained 
in their Second Report on 
the Ministry of Shipping 
and Transport— Tuticorin 
and Mangalore Ports. 

11.03 hrs. 

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE 
THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- 
MENTARY AFFAIRS AND SHIP- 
PING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
RAJ BAHADUR): With your per- 
mission, Sir, T rise to announce that 
Government Business in this House 
during the week commencing Mon- 
day, the 28th August, 1972, will con- 
sist of: — 

(1) Consideration of any item of 
Government Business carried 
over from today’s Order 
Paper. 

(2) Consideration and passing of 
the General Insurance Busi- 
ness (Nationalisation) Bill, 
1972, as reported by the 
Joint Committee. 

(3) Discussion and voting on the 
Supplementary Demands. 


B.O.H. 

1 

for Grants (General) for 
1972-73. 

(4> Consideration of a motion 
for reference of the Presi- 
dential and Vice-Presiden- 
tial Elections (Amendment) 
Bill, 1972, to a Joint Com- 
mittee. 

(5) Consideration and passing 
of the Indian Copper Corpo- 
ration (Acquisition of Un- 
dertaking) Bill, 1972. 

(6) Consideration of a Resolu- 
tion seeking disapproval of 
*he Delhi University 
(Amendment) Ordinance, 
1972 and consideration and 
passing of the Delhi Univer- 
sity (Amendment) Bill. 1972, 
as passed by Rajva Sabha. 

(71 Consideration and pacing of 
the Insecticides (Amend- 
ment) Bill. 1972, as passed 
by Rajya Sabha. 

(8) Discussion on the Report of 
the Commissioner for Sche- 
duled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes for 19G9-70. 

I may add that it is also proposed 
to bring forward the following Bills 
which arc in the advanced stage of 
preparation : — 

(i) The Former Secretary of 
State Service Officers (Con- 
ditions of Service) Bill, 

1972 

(li) The Delhi Education Bill, 
1972 for reference to Joint 
Committee. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour): Regarding the Bill 
for regulating the working condition 
of employment in the film industry 
in India, Shri Balgovind Verma, 

Minister of State in the Ministry of 
Labour and Rehabilitation on 

28-4-1972 said: 

“I assure the hon. Members that 
we are contemplating in 
bringing forward a Bill in, 
this August House very soon. 
Therefore, I should request 
the Mover of the Bill to 
kindly “withdraw it.” 



b .0.h. BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) b.O.H. . 6 

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“AN HON. MEMBER : The re- 
commendation was made in 
1969 to have a Comprehen- 
sive Bill and after 2£ years 
or 3 years a draft legislation 
was prepared. After 2i years 
it is found that there are so 
many lacunae in the legis- 
lation. Who are the persons 
responsible for this draft 
legislation?” 

It was accepted that the Bill 
should have been brought before the 
House this August session since it 
was a pending matter for a very 
long time. What has the Govern- 
ment to sav about this 7 

The amount of default by em- 
ployers of the employees’ provident 
fund money is increasing in a tre- 
mendous manner. Last year the hon. 
Minister, Shn R. K. Khadilkar made 
a statement that the legislation was 
going to be brought veiy soon to 
impose deterrent punishment on 
such offenders Even in the last 
session, he assurance was repeated. 
But we are all surprised to see that 
Government have not included the 
Bill for passing in this Session; it is 
perhaps because the defaulters are 
their patron saints. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 

I wish to submit that in the news- 
papers it has come out clearly that 
higher dearness allowance for Cen- 
tral Government employees is almost 
due. I have pointed out in this House, 
Sir, that the figure of cost of living 
index, after adding the June figure, 
came to 237.08. If you add to it the 
July figure, it crosses 238. The Cen- 
tral Government employees through- 
out the country are agitating, and 
they are entitled td get it. Sir. It 
has also come in the newspapers 
that the dispute was discussed at a 
Cabinet meeting on Friday. There 
are two issues. One is that the dear- 
ness allowance should be raised im- 
mediately in the case of Central 
Government employees. The hon. 
Minister should make a statement 
on this,' Another thing i$ that final 


decision on what is known as 
Khadilkar’s formula of raising the 
bonus from 4 to 8.33 per cent* should 
be taken before the Puja to avoid 
the impending labour unrest. 

My third point is this. A lot of 
things are being said about the 
Memorandum submitted by Tata to 
the Prime Minister to change the 
industrial policy. A copy of that 
should be laid on the Table of the 
House, and the House should get an 
opportunity to discuss it. 

Since the hon Finance Minister is 
present in the House, he may please 
tell us when he is going to announce 
further rise in the dearness allow- 
ance. 

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8 


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SHRI A. P. SHARMA (Buxar): 
Regarding the Dearness Allowance 
I would only like to make one sub- 
mission . . . 

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SHRI A. P. SHARMA: But we 
did not know this procedure that we 
have to write to you. 

The point is that the question of 
Dearness Allowance is very impor- 
tant. We did not know this proce- 
dure. You kindly permit me. This 
is a very important question. I did 
not know the procedure. In future, 
we will follow it but kindly permit 
me to mention about only one point, 
regarding the increase in the Dear- 
ness Allowance. 

MR. SPEAKER: When this comes 
from your side, what about others? 

SHRI A P. SHARMA: This is a 
very important question. I do not 
know what is the difficulty of the 
Government to come out with their 
decision. 

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SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai): I 
want to draw the attention of the 
Government in regard to the issue 
of blocking the entry of Bangla- 
Desh into UNO by China in collusion 
with Pakistan. It has a direct bear- 
ing on the implementation of the 
Simla Agreement and when the high 
officials of Pakistan are here in 
Delhi for talks, naturally, this House 
feel very much anxious to know the 
reaction of the Government. This 
House also would like to be inform- 
ed about the developments there 
and what stand has been taken by 
the Government and the stand the 
Government is going to take in 
future because it was tacitly under- 
stood that after the Simla Agree- 
ment, Pakistan will recognise Bangla. 
Desh and they will also help Bangla 
Desh's entiy into UNO. It appears 
to us that the Simla Pact spirit is 
being violated by Pakistan and 
China is taking advantage of that 

I want to make a submission to 
the Government to come .out with 
a full statement so that we can get 
an opportunity to express our views 
on that 

About Uganda matter, this House 
has not been informed about any- 
thing regarding the steps taken by 
the Government regarding expulsion 
of Asians in Uganda and the matter 
is coming almost every day in the 
papers . . 

MR. SPEAKER: They came out 
with a statement at the earliest 
stage, at the earliest time 

SHRI SAMAR GUHA: After that, 
something more has happened. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Ali- 
pore): Since then the situation has 
changed 

MR SPEAKER: I quite agree 
that the situation is changing very 
fast and new facts have already 
arisen. So, the Minister should make 
a statement. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I shall 
certainly communicate the views of 
the hon. Members to the Ministers 
concerned in the Government. 



9 


B.O.H. 


BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) 


B.O.H. 


10 


May I also say with regard to the 
Bill for film industry workers that 
as stated by the Member the assur- 
ance was that it will be presented to 
this August House, but not necessa- 
rily in the month of August . . . 
(Interruptions), 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY (Rajnand- 
gaon): The Bill was piloted by me 
and an assurance was given to me, 
although nothing was given in writ- 
ing, that in the next session the Bill 
will come. So, the assurance was 
that it will be introduced somewhere 
in this session . . . (Interruptions), 

MR. SPEAKER: Any member can 
ask for its implementation. The 
assurance was given to you, but all 
of them are interested. 

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SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: I quite 
agree that the name of the August 
Member will go down in this 
August House on this August ques- 
tion. 

MR. SPEAKER: What is the opi- 
nion of the August Minister? 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: Sir, both 
You and I have been born in August. 
I know that we are both August. 

MR. SPEAKER: You are also 
August-born? So, am I? 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About 
provisions of penalty for arrears of 
provident fund, the Bill is in an ad- 
vanced stage of preparation. We are 
seriously at it. We are second to 
none in regard to this matter. 

So far as the DA question is con- 
cerned. I will communicate the 


views of the Members but the 
Finance Minister of State is here. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What 
ig the indication of the Govern- 
ment’s thinking on this because we 
want to know whether the Govern- 
ment is going to make any decla- 
ration about it. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): The hon. 
Members are aware that when the 


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When the average cost of living 
index of the working class reaches 
238, the Pay Commission itself . . . 

(Interruptions). 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE: One 

minute. 

MR SPEAKER: No please. 

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3ft Rfa WsTHTT faffai I . . 

MR. SPEAKER: I am passing on 
to the next item now. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: You have 
spoiled your own case. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About 
drought m Bihar, the question of 
drought was discussed in this House 

• 9 

SHRI A P. SHARMA: Sir, the 
Minister was saying something re- 
garding DA, 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Mr. 
Banerji, Sir— he would not mind rc \ y 
saving because he got a little excit- 
ed. I saw Mr. Ganesh was saying 
or was going to say something. We 
would like to know exactly what 
statement he is in a position to make 
at present. 



u 


B.OM. 


AUGUST 26, 1972 Moption of Children BUI 12 


SHKI K. R. GANESH: I was say- 
ing that Pay Commission in its re- 
port on the second interim relief 
and the first interim relief has laid 
down a procedure for consideration 
of payment of further interim relief 
which they would consider when the 
average reaches 238. That is the posi- 
tion. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: It is no 
question of interim relief. It is the 
question of DA. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: May I 
seek your protection? I quoted from 
the press reports that it has reached 
238. It has also said that the Cabinet 
has taken a decision Vhat it will not 
be referred back to the Pay Commis- 
sion. How does the Pay Commission 
come into the picture? If it has 
reached 238, they may say, ‘Yes, it 
has reached 238’. Why should the 
Government employees be deprived 
of this benefit? 

SHRI A. P. SHARMA: If it has 
reached 238, what is the difficulty in 
granting further DA? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The 
Government is showing no sincerity. 

- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISH- 
RA (Begusarai): The one point 
about which we ought to be inform- 
ed is whether the Government thinks 
that it has reached 238 or not. It is 
about that we want to know. 

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Ganesh, if 
you have got the information, please 
give it. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: I have not 
got the official figure of 238 now. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: How 
evasive! * * 

SHRI S. M BANERJEE; About 
the bonus? 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR: About the 
drought in Bihar, drought situation 
was discussed in this House and I 
think the House has hardly any 
time for it now to discuss is once 
again, 

"•Published in Gazette of India 

vdated 26-8-72. 


About Bangla Desh recognition 
and other matters the House will be 
taken into confidence at the appro- 
priate time. 

11.20 hrs. 

PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE-PRE- 
SIDENTIAL ELECTIONS 
(AMENDMENT) BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE): I beg to move for leave to in- 
troduce a Bill to amend the Presi- 
dential and Vice-Presidential Elec- 
tions Act, 1952. 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

"That leave be granted to intro- 
duce a Bill to amend the 
Presidential and Vice-Presi- 
dential Elections Act. 1952.” 

The motion was adopted. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : I intro- 
duce the Bill 

11.22 hrs. 

ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BILL 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE): There are three changes only 
in the list already circulated. The 
changes are: Item No. 2, Shri Shiv 
Kumar Shastri; Item No. 14. Shri 
Pratap Singh; and Item No. 27, Shri 
Somchand Solanki: I beg to move: 

"That this House do concyr in 
the recommendation of 
Rajya Sabha that the 
House do join in the Joint 
Committee of the Houses on 
the Bill to provide for the 
adoption of children and for 
matters connected therewith, 
made in the motion adopted 
by Rajya Sabha at its sitting 
held on the 1st August, 1972 
and communicated to thia 
House on the 2nd August, 
1972 and to resolve that the 
following 30 Members of 

Extraordinary Part II, Section 2, 



13 Adoption of Children BHADRA 4$ 1894 (SAHA) A tines and Minerals 14 
BiH (etc. ets.) Bill 


Lok Sabha be nominated to 
serve on the said Joint Com- 
mittee, namely : — Shri 

S. R. A. S. Appalanaidu, Shn 
Shiv Kumar Shastri, Shri 
Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Dharnidhar Basumatari. Shri 
Shyama Prasanna Bhatta- 
charyya, Shri Amar Nath 
Chawla, Shri Anant Prasad 
Dhusia, Shri Varkey George, 
Smt. Marjorie Godfrey, Shri 
H. R. Gokhale, Shri Giridhar 
Gomango, Shri Md. Jamilur- 
rahman, Shri M. R. Laksh- 
minarayanan, Shri Pratap 
Singh, Shn Mohan Raj, Shn- 
mati Shakuntala Nayar, Shri 
Manikrao Palodkar, Shri 
Krishna Chandra Pandey, 
Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan, 
Shri S. B Patil, Shri K. 
Kodanda Rami Reddy, Shn 
N. K. Sanghi, Shri Sakti 
Kumar Sarkar, Shri Shaf- 
quat Jung, Shri Biswanara- 
yan Shastri, Shri Dharamgaj 
Singh, Shri Somchand Solan- 
ki, Shri S. B. Thakre, Shri- 
mati Bhargavi Thankappan, 
Shri Niti Raj Singh Chau- 
dhury.” 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

"That this House do concur in 
the recommendation of 


Chawla, Shri Anant Prasad 
Dhusia, Shri Varkey George, 
Smt. Marjorie Godfrey, Shri 
H. R, Gokhale, Shri Giridhar 
Gomango, Shri Md. Jamilur- 
rahman, Shri M. R. Laksh- 


Singh, Shri Mohan Raj, Shri- 
mati Shakuntala Nayar, Shri 
Manikrao Palodkar, Shri 
Krishna Chandra Pandey, 
Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan, 
Shn S. B. Patil, Shri K. 
Kodanda Rami Reddy, Shri 
N. K. Sanghi, Shri Sakti 
Kumar Sarkar, Shri Shaf- 
quat Jung, Shri Biswanara- 
yan Shastri, Shri Dharamflai 
Singh Shri Somchand 
Solanki, Shri S. B. Thakre, 
Shrimati Bhargavi Than- 
kappan Shri Niti Raj Singh 
Chaudhury. 


The motion was adopted. 


1125 hrs. 

MINES AND MINERALS (REGU- 
LATION AND DEVELOPMENT) 
AMENDMENT BILL— Contd. 


MR. SPEAKER: There is none on 
his feet. Who wants to speak? If 
nobody wants to speak, the Minister 
may reply. 


Rajya Sabha that the House 
do join in the Joint Com- 
mittee of the Houses on the 
Bill to provide for the adopt- 
ion of children and lor mat- 
ters connected therewith, 
made in the motion adopted 
by Rajya Sabha at its sitting 
held on the 1st August, 
1972 and communicated to 
this House on the 2nd 
August, 1972 and do resolve 
that the following 30 Mem- 
bers of Lok Sabha be nomi- 
nated to serve on the said 
Joint Committee, namely : — 

Shri S. R. A. S. Appalanaidu, 
Shri Shiv Kumar Shastri, 
Shri Lambodar Baliyar, Shri 
Dharnidhar Basumatari, Shri 
Shyama Prasanna Bhatta- 
charyya, Shri Amar Nath 


SHRI R. N. SHARMA (Dhanbad): 
I want to speak . . . 

MR SPEAKER; You deserve 
some punishment! I called twice 
and there was nobody and I called 
the Minister. You may speak now. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I support 
the Bill which, is already before the 
House, namely, the Mines and Mine- 
rals (Regulation and Development) 
Amendment Bill. There are some 
salient features and the Bill is 
sought to be introduced on the re- 
commendation of the Mineral Advi- 
sory Board and also from that of the 
Ministers of the States concerning 
mines and geology. This Bill ia a 
welcome Bill. There are of course, 
so many omissions, even in respect 
of the recommendations of Mineral 
Advisory Board. That Advisory 



15 


Minee%nd 


AUGUST 26, 1972 Minerals {etc. etc.) SiU 16 


[Shri R. N. Sharma] 

Board recommended that there 
should be ceiling on prospecting and 
also leases of the mines. But Gov- 
ernment in its wisdom has introduc- 
ed this Bill by keeping almost the 
same ceiling, that means, for pros- 
pecting, from 50 sq. miles they have 
reduced it to 50 sq. k.m. The recom- 
mendation of Mineral Advisory 
Board was that this should be 25 sq. 
k.m. and 12 sq. k.m. for some of the 
minerals. The recommendation is 
on this issue. It was decided that the 
ceiling for respective licence in res- 
pect of all minerals except coal base 
metal and bauxite mav be kept at 
25 sq. k.m. and in respect of coal, 
base metal and bauxite at 12 sq. k.m. 
This should have been further reduc- 
ed. I feel that people in these days 
are not very much interested in 
these minerals. The private sector 
mine-owners are not interested. 1 
Private people do not come to the 
field of mining. Their confidence has 
been shaken. It is because of the 
take-over of the mines. Mine owners 
have started withdrawing from the 
mining field. They are trying to 
take out the easiest minerals. They 
slaughter the mines and they also 
try to spoils it by exploiting 20 or 
25 per cent of minerals and leaving 
80 or 75 per cent of minerals. 

Sir, this is the fate of the mining 
industry at present. The coal target 
of the Government has been fixed 
for the Fifth Plan at 160 million 
tonnes. That is not likely to be 
achieved. 

While moving the Bill for consi- 
deration yesterday, lihe Minister said 
that production has gone up parti- 
cularly with reference to coal indus- 
try. For the last 2 years it has gone 
down. This is the third year that 
production has gone down from 78 
million tonnes to 72 million tonnes. 
Last year, in the year 1971, it has 
gone down to 68 million tonnes. For 
the past two years it has gone down 
from 78 million tonnes to 68 million 
tonnes. The target for Fourth Plan 
was 100 million tonnes. We are not 
going to achieve our target because 


there is non-cooperation from mine- 
owners. Not only that, but it is due 
to, mines and minerals not being re- 
moved by Rail from the minnig 
belts also. 

Partly, the Government in the 
Transport Ministry or the Railway 
Ministry are responsible for not 
moving these minerals. Instead of 
the production going up in the Fourth 
Five Year Plan, we find that there 
is a steep fall in mineral production 
all round. 

As far as the question of giving 
lease licences for the minerals is 
concerned, the target is being reduc- 
ed only from 10 sq. miles to 10 sq. 
k.m. 1 submit that this is also a very 
big area and when people take such 
a big area under their possession, 
they are not m a position to exploit 
it properly. I can cite many instances 
in this regard. 

In connection with the Mines 
(Amendment) Bill, the Select Com- 
mittee Members had visited Kedala 
and Jharkhand mines in the Hazari- 
bagh district of Bihar and they 
found that in one lease area, there 
were 56 blocks, and all those 56 
blocks were being operated by 56 
managing contractors and those 56 
managing contractors were engaging 
hundreds of other contractors and 
those hundreds of contractors were 
again engaging thousands of petty 
contractors and they were engaging 
8000 workers and none of the provi- 
sions of the Mines Act were being fol- 
lowed. 

So, while granting these leases, 
care should be taken to see that 
where the owner or the leaseholder 
is not in a position to fulfil the obli- 
gations under the Mines Act, then 
such kind of leases shuld be can- 
celled, and such kind of owners 
should not be allowed to continue in 
the mining industry because they try 
to exploit the easiest coal and the 
cheapest coal or the cheapest mine- 
ral and they walk out of the indus- 
try immediately, leaving the entire 
field to the mercy of the future de- 
veloping authority, and sometimes 
it is not developed also. 



17 


Mines and BHADRA 4, 

Government are going to take 
power in regard to the taking over of 
these mines and minerals in consul- 
tation witn the State Government. 
They want to consult the State Gov- 
ernment. while taking over minerals 
other than minor minerals, but they 
do not want to take the same power 
and they want to leave the State; 
Government free while dealing with 
the minor minerals. 

Sometimes, it so happens that mi- 
nor minerals come badly in the way 
of the development of other minerals. 
So, the coal industry is at present 
suffering from the lack of supply of 
sand, because they are not getting 
enough sand. Sand is under the con- 
trol of the State Government and 
the State Government gives lease to 
the private owners who just come 
in the way ana keep their own terms 
and conditions with the people who 
take sand from the river belts. So, 
care should be taken that just as 
while dealing with minerals other 
than minor minerals, the Central 
Government will consult the State 
Government, likewise, the State Gov- 
ernment also should consult the 
Central Government It should be 
provided under section 4A(2), the 
State Government should take over 
those minerals also in consultation 
with the Central Government. 

The third thing which I want to 
point out is this. The recommenda- 
tion of the Mineral Advisory Board 
is that the penal provisions should 
be made more stringent If you, how- 
ever, look at clause 12 in the new 
Bill you will find that it is exactly 
the same as clause 21 of the old Act, 
and there is no difference at all. The 
provision for six months’ imprison- 
ment or Rs. 1,000 fine is also here in 
this new Bill These people who may 
not compare the old Bill with the 
new Bill may be satisfied that some 
stringent punishment is being pro- 
vided. But that is not really the 
position. The same provision which 
was there before is there in this 
Bill also. 

These are a few suggestions to 
which I would like to invite the at- 
tention of the hon Minister, During 
the second reading stage, I am going 
to move certain amendments on this 
basis, and I hope that Government 


1894 (SAKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) 18 

Bill 

will accept them. Firstly, they should 
reduce the prospecting licence period, 
then secondly, they should reduce 
the lease area, and thirdly, they 
should also enhance the punishment 
provided under the penal provisions. 

With these observations, I support 
the Bill 

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21 


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AUGUST 26, 1972 


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SHRI SHRIKRISHAN MODI : 
Please excuse me; in future I shall 
be very careful about it 

no sw fl^farsr : 4 ott ^ far? ^ 

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*SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER (Nil- 
girls): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf 
of my party, the Dravida Munnetra 
Kazhagam. I would like to say a 


few words on The Mines and Mine- 
rals (Regulation and Development) 
Amendment Bill, 1972. 

Though this is a good legislative 
measure, this has been belatedly 
brought before this House. I do not 
understand the attitude of the Cen- 
tral Government to procrastinate the 
passing of such good measures. There 
should be delay in bringing before 
this House such constructive mea- 
sures. 

In this Bill it is proposed that the 
prospecting licence will be restrict- 
ed to fifty square kilometres. It is 
very good. But, what happens to the 
existing licences for more than 50 
square kilometres 7 Will those licen- 
ces be repealed or will they be allow- 
ed to continue 7 Nothing has been 
mentioned in this Bill about such 
licences which are already in force. 
T would like the hon Minister to 
clarify this point 

For mineral development the Cen- 
tral Government had invested Rs. 1 06 
ernres in the First Five Year Plan; 
in the Second Plan the investment 
was Rs 73 rrores, in the Third Plan 
Rs 28‘.’J3 eroies and in the Fourth 
Plan the*' out lay is Rs. 510 crores. 

The share of minerals in the natio- 
nal income is Rs 470 crores during 
thf' Fiist Plan, Rs. 688 crores in the 

11 Plan, Rs 969 crores m the III Plan 
and during 1967-68 to 1971-72 it is 
Rs 1,624 crores. In spite of the fact 
that so much money has been invest- 
ed in mineral development, the pro- 
duction of certain minerals has come 
down m recent years. I would like 
to request the hon. Minister to go 
into this question and take remedial 
measures 

12 hrs 


While in 1960 the production of 
mica was 29,000 tonnes, in 1970 it 
had come down to 16,000 tonnes. The 
production of lead concentrate was 
6.000 tonnes in 1960 and it has drop- 
ped down to 4.000 tonnes in 1970. In 
1960, the quantity of gypsum produc- 
ed was 9,97,000 tonnes and in 1970, 


*The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 



2f Mina and BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) Bill 30 


the production of gypsum came down 
to 9,15.000 tonnes. Similarly, the pro- 
duction of- gold, which has a signi- 
ficant share in our national wealth, 
was 5,000 kg. in 1960 and in 1970 the 
production was 3,000 kg. Only in the 
case of Manganese ore, the produc- 
tion hag gone up to 17 lakh tonnes 
in 1970 from 15 lakh tonnes in 1960. 


During the course of a decade, the 
production of such important mine- 
rals has dropped down considerably. 
The principal reason for less produc- 
tion is due to the defective industrial 
policy resolution of the Central Gov- 
ernment and the desire on the part 
of Central Government to concen- 
trate everything in their hands. If 
the exploitation of minerals had been 
entrusted to the State Governments, 
the production would have definitely 
gone up But the Central Govern- 
ment have no desire to decentralise 
the powers which are concentrated 
in their hands This has contributed 
to the reduced production in these 
minerals The number of mine wor- 
kers has also gone up from 54.000 in 
1956 to 1.77,000 in 1969. Inspite of 
that, the production, instead of in- 
creasing. has decreased 

Though the Government b ive spent 
crores of rupees in scientific deve- 
lopment, the export performance in 
these minerals is not satisfactory. In 
1955-56, the export of mica was of 
the value of Rs 8 4 crores and in 
1969-70 Rs. 11.4 crores The value of 
manganese ore exported in 1955-56 
was Rs 10.7 crores and in 1970-71 it 
had come down to Rs. 10.5 crores. 
In the case of iron, ore, from Rs. 6.3 
crores in 1955-56, the export value 
rose to Rs. 86.1 crores. 

You know, sir, that the demand 
for steel products inside the coun- 
try has grown up very much and the 
Government are not able to meet 
the entire indigenous demand, which 
m consequence has shot up the price 
of steel products. Though the Gov- 
ernment may earn increased foreign 
exchange through the export of iron 
ore, is that going to help in meet- 
ing the indigenous demand for steel 
products? Is that going to help in 
reducing the prices of steel products? 
What is the use of increasing the 


export of iron ore, when 'the Gov- 
ernment are unable to control the 
prices of steel products and when 
they are not able to meet in full the 
country’s demand for steel products? 
I would request the hon. Minister to 
look into this question. 

Since the coking coal mines were 
not being operated properly and pro- 
fitably, the Government nationalised 
them only recently. Here also, the 
parent Act was passed in 1957 and 
during the past 14 years, since the 
mine-owners did not care to exploit 
the minerals in the interest of 
the nation, since the mine-owners 
did not take interest in the welfare 
of mine-workers, the Government 
have come forward with this half- 
hearted amending measure I do not 
understand the hesitancy on the part 
of the Government to nationalise 
these mines so that the minerals can 
be exploited for the good of the 
national and not for the good of a 
few people. I would suggest that the 
Government should nationalise the 
exploitation of mineral wealth in 
the country and also the mines which 
are under exploitation. 

For example, a Survey Report says 
that gypsum is available in. plenty 
in Chingleput district of Tamil Nadu. 
Likewise, the State Government in 
eoniunction with the U.N.D.P. ex- 
perts is working on the survey of 
minerals available in many parts of 
Tamil Nadu It is hoped that a 
mini-Bihar will come up in Tamil 
Nadu as the UN.DP. experts are 
verv hopeful of locating huge depo- 
sits of minerals in the State. 

I would appeal to the Central 
Government thjit they should also 
take energetic and * effective steps 
in exploiting the mineral wealth m 
the State. I am constrained to say 
that the Central Government have 
been showing partisan attitude to- 
wards the Neiveli Lignite Project. 
On account of defective and worn- 
out machinery, the lignite production 
has been going down year after year. 
The Central Government have not 
taken any interest in replacing them. 
The second mine-cut in the Neiveli 
Project has not yet been started. 
Though we have made repeated r$- 



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quests to the Cei)&re in this respect, 
no concrete action has yet been ta- 
ken. 1 would appeal to the hon. 
Minister to look into these questions 
and do the needful. 

Sir, we are also entirely dependent 
on the depleting gold reserves in the 
Kolar Mines in Mysore State. The 
working of these Gold mines has also 
not proved to be profitable. I am 
sorry to state that the Government 
have not taken steps to survey the 
•availability of gold deposits in other 
parts of the country. During British 
regime, gold was found in Nilgiris, 
which is my constituency. Even after 
25 years of our Independence, the 
Central Government have not 
thought it proper to order for the 
survey of my Constituency, the Nil- 
giris, so that the availability of gold 
there can be confirmed and later 
exploited. I am unable to appreciate 
the callous attitude of the Central 
Government in regard to the exploi- 
tation of mineral wealth available 
in southern parts of our country. I 
would say that the Central Govern- 
ment, instead of engaging themsel- 
ves in unproductive activities, should 
take greater interest in such produc- 
tive ventures in the interest of the 
nation. 

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Gowder, this 
is not a general debate on mines, 
minerals and exploitation of mine- 
rals. The Bill has got certain specific 
provisions Please try to be brief, as 
the time fixed for this Bill is only 
one hour. 

SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER: I 
would request the hon. Minister to 
nationalise the existing mines and 
also reserve for pvblic sector the 
exploitatiori df minerals in the coun- 
try. The hon. Minister of Steel hails 
from Tamil Nadu and without any 
reservation. I hope, he will show 
greater interest in exploiting the 
mineral wealth of southern parts of 
our country, more particularly in 
Tamil Nadu. 

I support this Bill, though this 
has been belatedly brought before 
this House 

With these words, I conclude. 


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THE MINISTRY OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI SHAHNAWAZ 
KHAN). Mi. Speaker, Su, I am very 
giateiui to the hon members who 
have taken pait m this debate. They 
have unanimously given their sup- 
poit to this measure During the dis- 
cussions, iny hon. fnend, Shri Modi, 
and some otheis have expiesged an 
appiehension that the Government 
would misuse their power in termi- 
nation oi leasts. He was apprehen- 
sive that Government might displace 
the small scale industries when they 
decide to acquire some mines on 
which those small scale industries 
are based He also talked about 
small co-opeiative workers who are 
managing some mines 1 wish to 
assuie the House that this power 
which is being sought to be acquired 
undet section 4A, termination ol 
mining leases, would be resorted to 
only in veiy exceptional cases where 
the laigei intei ests of the nation 
ana the development of big indus- 
tries so demand It will not be done 
in a light-hearted manner. 

A number of membeis said that 
the power given to the State Govern- 
ments to terminate mining leases in 
lespect of minor minerals may also 
be misused 1 am very grateful to 
my ii lends, bhri R N Sharma and 
Shu Modi, who have brought for- 
ward amendments in which they 
have proposed that, m case of termi- 
nation oi mining leases for minor 
minerals, the State Government 
should consult the Central Govern- 
imnt That, I think, is a very good 
amendment, and as we take up 
clause-by-clause consideration, I 
would be happy to accept that amend- 
ment 

A number of my hon friends also 
expressed apprehension that the 
powei now being sought that the 
Geological Survey of India or any 
other agency duly authorised by Gov- 
ernment should be allowed to enter 
any mining leape area to carry out 
pro-pecting work or other investiga- 
tion, might be misused; they particu- 
larly expressed an apprehension that 
they may enter the areas where crops 
are standing and mav destroy the 
crops. This power is being sought to 
be acquired as a result of discussions 
which we held in the Mineral 



41 


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BHADRA 4, 1894 {8 AKA) Minerals (etc. etc.) Sill 42 


Advisory Board, and we have the 
support 6f all the State Governmenta 
to this measure. Previously the Geo-' 
logical Survey of India could enter 
only areas which were not held under 
mining leases. But there are large 
areas which are held under mining 
leases and which are not being pro- 
perly exploited. Therefore, it was 
thought necessary that even in areas 
which are held under mining leases, 
the Geological Survey of India or 
any other agency authorised by the 
Government should be allowed to 
enter and cany out investigations. 
We will take every care. I assure 
the House, that the standing crops 
belonging to the fanners are not 
damaged m any way. In case it is 
absolutely unavoidable, there is a 
provision for compensation; if we 
have to resort to any such thing, 
then the farmer will be duly com- 
pensated. 

We have heard conflicting views 
on whether the area under prospect- 
ing leases and mining leases should 
be reduced or should be allowed to 
remain at the same level. It has 
been recommended in this Bill that 
the area should be reduced in case 
of prospecting licence from 50 sq. 
miles to 50 sq. kilometres. That is a 
very sizeable reduction 

AN HON. MEMBER: That is 
against the Mineral Advisory Board’s 
decision- 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: That 
is a very sizeable reduction. Gov- 
ernment will have no hesitation in 
reducing it further if that is the 
consensus of the House. 

Regarding the area held under 
mining lease, the Bill seeks to re- 
duce the area from 10 sq. males to 
10 sq. kilometres. That, again, is a 
very sizeable reduction. But here my 
hon. friend has suggested that the 
area should, in the case of mining 
lease, be reduced further. I would 
like to put before the House the ac- 
tual state of affairs as it is within 
my Ministry, We have to keep in 
very close touch with the State Gov- 
ernments, and in such matters we 
have to take jjjieir opinion. We have 
referred this matter to all the State 
Governments who have been asked 


to communicate their views to the 
Director of Indian Bureau of Mines, 
and as soon as their views are 
known, then if it is necessary to re- 
duce it further, Government will 
not hesitate to do so. I would also 
like to state that this area is the 
maximum that can be given. There 
is nothing to prevent the Central 
Government or the State Govern- 
ment to give much less area for pros- 
pecting or mining lease. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: There is 
provision to give more. 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: 
Government reserves the right to 
waive this condition and give much 
larger areas to public sector under- 
takings, and I am sure, my friend 
would not resent that. 

My hon. friends, Shri Damodar 
Pandey and Shri Sharma, from the 
coal-fields have raised a very perti- 
nent point regarding sand for stow- 
ing. Sand is very important for stow- 
ing in coal-fields. There is a provision 
—section 3(e) of the existing Act — ‘ 
which empowers the Central Gov-' 
ernmcnt to declare sand, used for 
prescribed purposes, as a major 
mineral. Under that, sand can be 
classified as a major mineral and ac- 
tion can be taken accordingly. 

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: In 
spite of that, are you not aware that 
NCDC and the Bharat Coking Coal 
have failed to obtain sand leases in 
the Damodar river and they are fac- 
ing much difficulty on that account? 

. . ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: We 
shall certainly examine if there is 
any need t& declare sand as a major 
mineral and to take it under the 
Central Government. But, my hon. 
friends know that the problem in 
the Damodar river regarding sand is 
not of mining leases, but it is of the 
availability of sand. There is less 
sand available as a result of certain 
dams coming up in the catchment 
area . . . 

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: 
Whatever is available has been 
handed over to the private people. 



43 Mimand l AUGUST 26, 1972 Mmtrd« (dc. etc.) Bill 44 


SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: My 
hon. friend from Timil Nadu has 
unfortunately gone nyvay. He want- 
ed to know whether this ceiling on 
holding will apply to leases which 
are in existence already or to the 
future mining and prospecting leases. 
This Bill does not seek tg have any 
retrospective effect and, therefore, 
it would not apply to prospecting 
and mining leases which are in ope- 
ration already. So, it would not 
apply to them. 

A number of my friends have 
spoken regarding penalties which are 
to be imposed for irregularity or 
trespassing or carrying on mining 
in an irregular manner. May I refer 
the hon Member, Shri Damodar 
Pandey to amendment to Sec. 21 on 
page 6 where it says: 

“Whoever contravenes the pro- 
visions of sub-section (1) of 
section 4 shall be punished 
with imprisonment for a 
term which may extend to 
six months, or with fine 
which may extend to one 
thousand rupees, or with 
both." 

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: ‘or’ 
will serve no purpose. Nobody is 
sentenced till now. Knowing full 
well that the violation of the Act is 
going on, can you say how many 
persons have been imprisoned? 

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Pandey. He 
is contradicting. You said there is no 
penal clause which is contradicting. 

SHRI DAMODAR PANDEY: . In 
the Mineral Advisory Board it was 
decided that the penalty clause 
should be made'rriore stringent and 
the penalty provisions should be en- 
hanced whereas in this Bill the same 
provision has been incorporated 
which was in the original Act. So, 
what are the stringent measures you 
are taking? Ypu are just copying 
the old Act, 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: We 
are wet to go to olause-by-clause 
reaamg. Certain amendments have 
been brought forward by hon. Mem- 


bers seeking enhancement of penal- 
ties and I propose to accept them. 

MR. SPEAKER: It has already 
taken more than an hour. 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: Sir, 
there is nothing controversial. Only 
I would like to say this much in con- 
clusion. I would like to say that the 
Government have noted what the 
hon. Members have said regarding 
misuse and exploitation of mines, 
particularly, the coal mines in the 
coal fields. A number of hon. Mem- 
bers who have spoken have desired 
that the Government should nationa- 
lise the coal mines. The bon. Minis- 
ter for Steel and Mines, on a num- 
ber of occasions, has declared the 
present policy of the Government. 
According to the present thinking in 
the Ministry of Steel and Mines, the 
Government do not propose to na- 
tionalise all the coal mines, but, we 
have said that where we find that the 
private sector is not playing its part 
fairly and honestly and that it is 
not investing sufficient funds and 
that it is, what they call, slaughter- 
ing the mines or exploiting the 
mines in an unscientific manner, 
there, the Government will natural- 
ly be compelled to step in. But the 
Government will naturally like to 
give an opportunity and chance to 
the private sector to play its part in 
the exploitation of the coal mines in 
a scientific manner and with confi- 
dence. 

With these remarks. I once again 
thank the members who have taken 
part in this discussion. 

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MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

•‘That the Bill further to amend 
the Mines and Minerals (Re- 
gulation and Development) 
Act. 1957, be taken into con- 
sideration.” 

The motion was adopted, 

Clause 2 — ( Insertion of new section 

4A) 

SHRI R N. SHARMA: I beg to 
more: 

Page 1. line 18,— 

After “State Government” insert — 
after consultation with the 
Central Government,” (14). 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I 
would like to accept this with a 
little change. 

MR. SPEAKER: You can move 
another one if you like. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: What is 
the change the hon. Minister wants 
to make? 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I 
accept this amendment with a ver- 
bal change. 

MR. SPEAKER: The Minister 
should put it in his mouth. We don’t 
go by the spirit; we go by the words. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I accept 
the amendment 'along with the 
amendment which he has suggest- 
ed. 

MR. SPEAKER: You agree to it? 
.Then, both of you agree to it. You 
may move it. 


SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I beg to 
move: 

•Page 1, (i) line 18 ,- —for “The 
State Government may, if it 
is”. 

Substitute— 

Where the State Govern- 
ment. after consultation with 
the Central Government, is” 
[(14), as modified .] 

SIIRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: 
There is a consequential amendment. 
That is, line 20, after “so to do” in- 
sert it may”. 

MR. SPEAKER : I will not approve 
of this practice of coming with such 
changes so hastily and quickly. You 
are sitting by the side of a very 
eminent lawyer. Why can’t you give 
it in his name? 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMA- 
RAMANGALAM); There is no prob- 
lem here; it i s just a question of 
phraseology used. What my friend 
Mr. R. N. Sharma wants to introduce 
in this Bill is being accepted in 
toto, but the wording that he has 
suggested is not a happy wording 
from the legal point of view. We 
are suggesting a slightly different 
wording which brings out exactly 
what he wants. I have made it clear. 

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sharma may 
move it, together: it i s consequential. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I shall 
move it £is modified. 

I move: 

Page 1,— 

(i) line 18,— for “The State Gov- 

ernment may. if it is”. 

Substitute— “Where the State 
Government, after consulta- 
tion with the Central Gov- 
ernment, is” 

(ii) line 20,— after “so to do” in- 
sert—", it may”. [(14), os 
modified.] 



47 


Mini and AUGUST 26, 1972 Minerals (etc. etc.) m 48 1 


MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 
Page 1,— 

(i) line 18,— /or “The State Gov- 
ernment may, if it is”. 

Substitute — "Where the State 
Government, after consulta- 
tion with the Central Gov- 
ernment, is” 

(ii) line 20 ,— after “so to do”, in- 
sert — may” [(14), as modi- 
fied .] 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 
“That Clause 2. as amended, 
stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted 

Clause 2, as amended , was added to 
the Bill. 

Clause 3 — ( Amendment of section 6.) 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I 
move: 

Page 2, line 20, — 

for “lease or licence” 
substitute— "mining lease or 

prospecting licence”. (8) 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: I beg to 
move: 

Page 2, line 11,— 

for "fifty” substitute “twenty- 
five". (12) 

SHRI SHAHNAWAZ KHAN: I 
accept it. 

MR. SPEAKER ^ You are not mov- 
ing the other one! 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: No. 

MR. SPEAKER: I will now put 
amendment No. 8 moved by Shri 
Shah Nawaz Khan to the vote of 
the House. The question is: 

Page 2, line 20,— 

for “lease or licence” 

■ substitute— “mining lease or 

prospecting licence”. (8) 

The motion was adopted. a 


MR, SPEAKER: Now, I will put 
amendment No. 12 moved by Shri 
R. N. Sharma to the vote of the 
House. The question is: 

Page 2, line 11, — 

for “fifty” substitute “twenty, 
five”. (12). 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. SPEAKER: Now, the ques- 
tion is: , 

“That Clause 3. as amended, 
stand part of the Bill." 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 3, as amended, was added to 
the Bill. 

13 hrs. 

MR. SPEAKER : There are no 
amendments to clause 4 to 6. So, I 
shall put them together to vote. 

The question is: 

“That clauses 4 to 6 stand part 
of the Bill”. 

The motion icas adopted. 

Clauses 4 to 6 were added to the 

Bill. 

Clause 7 — (Amendment of section 14) 
Amendment made: 

Page 4, line 3,— 

for “other concessions” substi- 
tute "other mineral conces- 
sions”. (9) 

(Shri Shahnawaz Khan) 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

"That clause 7, as amended, 
stand part of the Bill". 

The motion was adopted 

Clause 7, as amended, was added to 
the Bill. 

Clauses 8 to 11 were added to the 
Bill. 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: There is 
correction in it. 



4 $ Mines and Minerals BHADR^. 4, 1894 (SAKA) Rulers of Indian 50 

(etc. etc.) Bill States (etc. etc.) Bill 


MR. SPEAKER: No, that was a 
consequential change. That has al- 
ready been accepted. 

Clause 12— (Amendment oi section 
21 ) 

MR. SPEAKER: There are two 
amendments to this clause tabled by 
Shri R. N. Sharma. Is he moving 
them? 

SHRI R. N. SHARMA: Yes. 

MR. SPEAKER: Is the hon. Minis- 
ter accepting them? 

SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN: 
Yes, I am accepting both of them. 

Amendments made: 

Page 6, line 19,— 

for “six months" substitute “one 
year”. (15) 

Page 6, live 19 and 20, — 

for “one thousand” substitute 
“five thousand”. (16) 

(Shri R. N. Sharma) 

MR. SPEAKER: The question is: 

“That clause 12, as amended, 
stand part of the Bill”. 

The motion was adopted 

Clause 12, as amended, was added to 
the Bill. 

Clauses 13 to 16 were added to the 
Bill. 

Clause 1. the Enacting Formula and 
the Title were added to the Bill. 

SHRI SHAH NAWAZ KHAN: I 
beg to move: 

“That the Bill, as amended, be 
passed”. 

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The question is: 

“That the .Bill, as amended, be 
passed”. 

The motion was adopted 

MR. SPEAKER: This Bill has 
taken a lot of time, almost double 
the time allotted for it. 


13.(ili hrs. 

RULERS OF INDIAN STATES 
(ABOLITION OF PRIVILEGES) 
BILL 

MR. SPEAKER: Now, we shall 
take up the Rulers of Indian States 
(Abolition of Privileges) Bill. 

We have two other Bills also. The 
time allotted for the Rulers of 
Indian States (Abolition of Privi- 
leges) Bill is two hours. Then, we 
have another Bill for which 1 hour 
has been allotted and a third one 
also for which again 1 hour here has 
been allotted. We allotted one hour 
for each of them, just for the sake of 
allotting time; otherwise, they should 
not take so much time. But for the 
Bill relating to abolition of privi- 
leges of Indian Rulers, it was decid- 
ed in the Business Advisory Commit- 
tee to allot two hours. Now the hon. 
Minister 

THE MINISTER OF LAW AND 
JUSTICE AND PETROLEUM AND 
CHEMICALS (SHRI H. R. GOKHA- 
LE): I beg to move: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
• certain enactments conse- 
quent on derecognition of 
Rulers of Indian States and 
abolition of privy purses, so 
as to abolish the privileges 
of Rulers and to make cer- 
tain transitional provisions to 
enable the said Rulers to ad- 
just progressively to the 
changed circumstances, be 
taken into consideration.”. 

In December last, this House by an 
overwhelming majority endorsed the 
abolition . of privy purses and the 
concept of Rulers. Consequent on 



States {etc. etc.) Bill 52 


51 Rulers of Indian AUGUST 26, 1972 


LSbri H. R. Gokfcle] 

the enactment o| the Constitution 
(Twenty-Sixth) Amendment Bill, 
1971. various administrative steps 
were taken to withdraw the privi- 
leges which were attached to the 
former Rulers by virtue of executive 
orders and statutory notifications. 

Some of the privileges of these 
Rulers have been provided for by 
certain enactments Since there were 
no Rulers, the relevant provisions of 
these enactments have also ceased 
to be generally applicable, though 
some technical argument in favour 
of the view that some of these pro- 
visions continue to be operative 
cannot be eliminated without a for- 
mal amendment of the enactments. 

The Bill before the House seeks to 
complete the process which was set 
m motion by the enactment of the 
Constitution (Twenty-sixth Amend- 
ment) Act by making the necessary 
changes in the various enactments. 
While the concept of Rulership and 
Rulers as a privileged class has been 
done away with, the Bill does take 
into account the human problem 
which has resulted and seeks to 
make some provisions for this. As 
the Prime Minister pointed out, 
while moving the Constitution 
(Twenty-sixth Amendment) Bill in 
this House, there is no personal 
animus against any individual 
prince Accordingly, as a transition- 
al measure, to avoid undue hardship 
to the individuals concerned, certain 
concessions are sought to be given 
or continued to the ex-Rulers by the 
Bill. These, however, are extremely 
limited in scope and would apply 
only to those .who weVe Rulers prior 
to the commencement of the Consti- 
tution (Twenty-sixth Amendment) 
Act. These provisions will spend 
themselves out in course of time. 

1 shall now explain briefly the 
provisions made in the Bill In res- 
pect of privileges available to for- 
mer Rulers under the various enact- 
ments These privileges fall into two 
categories; (i) the privileges under 
the prsijfdural laws, namely, the 
Code n f Criminal Procedure, 1898 
and the Code of Civil Procedure, 
196$* and (ii) exemptions under the 


taxation laws, namely the Wealth- 
tax Act, the Gift-tax Act and the 
Income-tax Act. 

I shall now deal with the privi- 
leges under the procedural laws. 
Section 197A of the Code of Crimi- 
nal Procedure provided for two pri- 
vileges In the first place, the previ- 
ous sanction of the Government is 
necessary for taking cognizance of 
an offence alleged to have been com- 
mitted by a Ruler of a former 
Indian State In the second place, 
the Central Government has to de- 
termine the person by whom and the 
manner in which the offence or 
offences for which the prosecution of 
a Ruler of a former Indian State is 
to be conducted and that Govern- 
ment has also to specify the court 
before which the trial is to be held. 
By virtue of the amendment propos- 
ed in clause 2 of the Bill, these pri- 
vileges will henceforth be available 
only in relation to offences commit- 
ted before the commencement of the 
Constitution, that is, the 26th Janu- 
ary. 1950, by a person recognised as 
a Ruler before such commencement. 

Under section 87B of the Code of 
Civil Procedure, a former Ruler was 
immune from arrest under the Code. 
Except with the consent of the Cen- 
tral Government, a suit against a 
foimer Ruler could not be tried and 
a decree against a former Ruler 
could not be executed against the 
property of such Ruler. 

Further, a Ruler may request the 
Central Government to appoint any 
person to prosecute or defend any 
suit on behalf of such Ruler. Bv 
virtue of the amendment proposed 
in clause 3 of the Bill, these provi- 
sions would be available only in res- 
pect of a suit based upon a cause of 
action which arose before the com- 
mencement of the Constitution or any 
proceeding arising out of such a 
suit and that too only in relation to 
persons recognised as Rulers before 
the commencement of the Constitu- 
tion. 

The continuance of the provisions 
of sec 197A of the Cr. P.C. and sec- 
tion 87B of the Civil Procedure 



53 Ruler* of Indian BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) States (ftr. e/c.) Bill 54 


Code in respect of pre-Constitution 
offences or acts will have very limit- 
ed operation in action and practice, 
and is in accordance with the observa- 
tion of the Supreme Court that 
broadly in the light of the basic 
principle of equality before the law, 
for past dealings and transactions, 
protection may justifiably be given 
to Rulers of former Indian States. 
As a consequence of the abolition of 
privileges under 197A of the Crimi- 
nal Procedure Code and sec. 87B of 
the Civil Procedure Code in respect 
of offences or acts subsequent to the 
commencement of the Constitution, 
it is no longer necessary to retain 
sec. 168 of the Representation of the 
People Act, 1951, which provides 
that the provisions of this section 
will not apply in relation to a Ruler 
who has been nominated for an elec- 
tion from the date of such nomina- 
tion till the declaration of the result 
of the election and also in respect 
of certain offences alleged to have 
been committed at or in connection 
with such election. Hence that sec- 
tion is being omitted by clause 4 of 
the Bill. 

I will now pass on to deal with the 
exemptions under taxation laws. The 
exemptions under the Income-tax Act 
in respect of privy purse and under 
the Gift Tax Act in respect of gifts 
made out of privy purse have virtual- 
ly become otiose with the abolition of 
privy purses and the relevant provi- 
sions are being omitted. With a view 
to enabling the Rulers to adjust them- 
selves progressively to the changed ci r „ 
cumstances, it is proposed to continue 
the exemption under the Wealth Tax 
Act 1957 in respect of one official resi- 
dence and heir loom jewellery of each 
former Ruler for his lifetime. The 
continuance of the exemption in res- 
oect of heirloom jewellery is also in 
the national interest because the 
exemption is subject to a number of 
restrictions which are designed to 
ensure that the heirloom jewellery is 
not converted, disposed of or sent out 
of India. Likewise, it is also proposed 
to provide for exemption of ex-gratia 
payments which may be made by the 
Central Government to the Rulers 
consequent on the abolition of the 
privy purses and to restrict the exemp- 


tion in respect of palaces to one 
palace. If these ex-gratia payments 
are to serve the intended purpose of 
enabling the Rulers to adjust them- 
selves to the changed circumstances, 
it is necessary to provide for exemp- 
tion of the same. I commend the Mo- 
tion. 

MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
certain enactments consequent 
on derecognition of Rulers of 
Indian States and abolition 
of privy purses, so as to abo- 
lish the privileges of Rulers 
and to make certain transi- 
tional provisions to enable 
the said Rulers to adjust pro- 
gressively to the changed 
circumstances, be taken into 
consideration”. 

SHRT BIREN DUTTA (Tripura 
West): This iSaBill which actually 
expresses the hesitation of Govern- 
ment to do away with the princely pri- 
vileges. The title of the Bill is very 
good. But if we go through the Bill, 
there are some provisions which are 
necessary , but what we find is that 
the ex-Rulers are so much in the 
heart of Government that even while 
abolishing the privy purses they are 
going to be given amounts to rehabi- 
litate themselves in the changed cir- 
cumstances. This seems to be a very 
serious problem for the Government 
to look after the Rulers whose pri- 
vileges thev are abolishing. But 
when the question of looking after 
the ordinary people comes even un- 
der this Bill, there is not a word of 
svmoathv for them. There are thou- 
sands of employees of these Rulers. 
They have not been shown any sym- 
pathy in reganf to * rehabilitation. 
The Government are practically sup- 
porting the exploiting classes, the 
Rulers, monopolists and so on. The 
first consideration comes for the ex- 
ploiters, not for the exploited. Why 
is it that not a word has been utter- 
ed for these unfortunate employees 
of the Rulers after the abolition of 
the privy purses, not a word about 
giving anything from these amounts 
to those who have served under the 
rulers? What will be their fate? 



AUGUST 26, 1972 


States {etc. da.) BiU 16 


65 Rulers of Julian 


[Shri Biren Dutfcp] 

We have seen ih the Supplemen- 
tary -Demands thttt Rs. 10 crores is 
to be given to these ex-Rulers out 
of compassion to the Rulers and 
their family members as ex-gratia 
payments. All compassion Hows for 
those sections of society who are 
not really the producers of any 
wealth, who are in the context of 
history practically are still main- 
taining a kind heart for the ex-Rulers 
and have demonstrated it by this 
ex-gratia payment to them. 

At the time of the consideration of 
the abolition of the privy purses 
Bill, we demanded that no money 
should be given to the RuUrs if 
anything has to be given, it should 
b» given to those who were the em- 
ployees in the services of these 
Rulers. Here in this Bill, as I said, 
there is not a word about them I 
request the Minister to consider this, 
if you have so much svmpathy for 
the Rulers and their relatives, why 
not some sympathy for those who 
are employed by these Rulers’ With 
these few words, I support the Bill. 

*SHRI M KATHAMUTHU: (Nag- 
apattinam): Mr Speaker Sir, The 
Rulers cf Indian States (Abolition of 
Privileges) Bill 1972 has been 
brought before this House as a result 
of persistent demand of Hon Mem- 
bers of both Lok Sabha and Rajva 
Sabha This Bill purports to abolish 
certain privileges and immunities en- 
joyed bv the former rulers. 

While T extend mv support to this 
Bill to the extent that it seeks to 
withdraw the exemptions granted io 
the ex-rulers under the Gift Tax 
Act and to revoke the immunities 
from Criminal Procedure Code I 
cannot per force extend mv whole 
hearted support to .the remaining 
provisions of the Bill 

I cannot, for example, accept the 
proposed Amendment to Civil Pro e- 
dure Code in this Bill Tt is common 
knowledge that a large number cf 
civil suits relating to the properties 
of the ex-rulers are pending before 
the courts To eive a classic example 
the map of his plots and lands 
drawn up bv the Gwalior Maharaja 

The original speech was delivered 


in the year 1954 varied widely with 
the inventory prepared by nhfl in 
1948. Consequently, there are innu- 
merable civil suits filed and pending 
in the Courts. Therefore, Sir, I am 
opposed even to limiting the immu- 
nity under the Civil Procedure Code 
to acts and omissions of the rulers 
before the commencement of the 
Constitution Sir. you are aware of 
the noble erncept of “Equality be- 
fore Law". I am unable to reconcile 
myself to the discrimination sought 
to be perpetuated through this Bill 
in favour of iormer rulers. You will 
no dcubt agree with my demand that 
the Civil Procedure Code should be 
applicable in a uniform manner to all 
the citizens of our country. 

I want to bring to your kind atten- 
tion another unsavoury and odious 
comparison of the ex-rulers with the 
rulers of a fo-eign state m the mat- 
ter of enforcement of Civil Proce- 
dure Code You w'lll find this in 
clause 3(a) of the Bill I consider 
this as totally unwarranted and un- 
reasonable 

Similarly this Bill provides for 
exempting the ex-rulers from prose- 
cution under Cnminsl Procedure 
Code for offences committed before 
the commencement of the Constitu- 
tion What is the basis for such an 
exemption in the case of ex-rulers? 
If thev had committed offences oven 
before the commencement of the 
Constitution, they should be proceed- 
ed against in accordance with the 
law of Ihe land. 

In this introductory speech while 
moving the Bill the hon Minister 
stated that the exemptions under 
the Wealth tax are being limited for 
the life time of the ex-rulers I feel 
that even this concession is not war- 
ranted. I would now refer to the 
oxemDtion given under the Wealth- 
Tax Act in respect of heirloom je- 
wellery of ex-rulers It is provided 
under clause 5(b) of the Bill that 
reasonable steps shall be taken for 
keeping the heirloom jewellery sub- 
stantially on its original shape. 

It may satisfy the conscience Of 
the law-makers to have such a pro- 
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vision. But the e^-rulers will have 
no ‘ compunction in circumventing 
this provision. The shape of the heir- 
loom jewellery may remain in tact 
but not the contents. To quote an 
instance, Sir C. P. Ramaswamy Iyer, 
who headed the Hindu Religions 
Endowments Commission in 1960—62, 
had stated in his report that though 
the Temple jewellery and other 
ornaments had maintained their ori- 
ginal shape, their contents had been 
removed In his introductory speech, 
the hon. Minister felt that these 
heirlooms jewellery 1 are precious 
antiquities of our country and there- 
fore they should be preserved If 
that were so, why should not they 
be removed from the possession of 
ex-rulers and kept in national mu- 
seums? 

Sir. I would now turn to another 
provision in the Bill. In anticipation 
of making ex gratia payments to the 
ox-rulers, a provision has been made 
in the Bill to grant exemption to 
such payments from the Income-Tax 
Act. The issue of ex gratia payments 
to ex-rulers has a long history. When 
the Constitution (26th Amendment) 
Bill was proposed, an attempt was 
made to provide for such e.r gratia 
payments to ex-rulers The hon. 
Members belonging to Opposition 
Parties opposed such a move. Again, 
when the President’s Address, which 
carried a reference to transitional 
allowances to ex-rulers, came up for 
discussion in the House, we opposed 
the move again Having abolished 
the privy purses now Government 
have decided to make rx gratia pay- 
ments to the ex-rulers Anv one 
would have naturally expected that 
Parliament should first discuss the 
question of making such payments 
before giving approval to the Bill 
now before us Marely because the 
ruling partv has a big majority in 
the House, the Government have de- 
cided to pay Rs 10 70 crores ex gra- 
tia to the ex-rulers. Sir. kindly note 
that this is an e.r qratia payment but 
not compensation. 

Mr. . Speaker, Sir, yesterday, but 
for your kind intervention the sup- 
plementary Demands providing for 
ex gratia payments would have been 


passed by the House. Sir, I feel, be- 
cause they have a huge majority in 
the House, Government are paying 
scant respect and regard to Parlia- 
mentary norms and propriety. 

Sir, who are the persons to receive 
these ex graiLia payments? It is the 
rulers to whom nearly Rs. 102.60 
crores have been paid by way of 
privy purses during the last 25. 
years. From the newspaper reports, 
we find that ex gratia payments are 
being made to the rulers who have 
properties worth Rs 50 crores, or 
Rs. 60 crores Do we not know that 
Nizam, Mysore Maharaja, and pati- 
ala Maharaja have huge properties? 
As far as my party is concerned, we 
are totally opposed to the idea of 
making ex gratia payments to the 
ex-ruiers There is no justification at 
all for making such payments. I, 
theiefore. request the hon. Minister 
to bring forward necessary amend- 
ments in the Bill. 

Sir, the ruling partv. at the time 
of Mid-Term Poll had given assur- 
ances to the people and to make ex 
gratia payments runs counter to the 
pledges given by the ruling party 
to the people I regretfully say that 
there are political motives behind 
the decision to make ex gratia pay- 
ments to ex-rulers 

Even before the principle of ex 
gratia payments has been accepted 
by the Parliament this Bill provides 
for an amendment to the Income-Tax 
Act for granting exemption from 
income tax for such payments. 

Sir, I would request the hon. 
Minister to withdraw this Bill and 
after incorporating suitable amend- 
ments on the issues I have raised, 
this Bill may be re-introduced in 
the House. 

With these words, I conclude. 

*SHRI J. MATHA GOWDER (Nil- 
giris): Mr. Speaker, Sir on behalf 
of mv party, the Dravida Munne- 
tra Kazhagam. T would like to say 
a few words on The Rulers of Indian 
States (Abolition of Privileges) Bill, 
1972. 


The original sDeech who delivered in Tamil. 



AUGUST 26, 1972 States (etc. etc.) Bitt 60 


59 Buiert of jjtdian 

[Shri J. Matha ipowder] 

Sir, I welcome this measure which 
seeks to abolish' - the exemptions and 
immunities enjoyed by the former 
rulers. But I am unable to appreci- 
ate the announcement of the Govern- 
ment that these former rulers would 
be given Rs. 10.70 crores ex gratia. 
What for they should be paid this 
i, huge sum? These rulers have amas- 
sed wealth and riches and they have 
all their moneys in unidentified 
accounts in foreign banks. Do the 
Government want to add to their 
hloated wealth by giving this sum 
of Rs 10.70 crores? Sir, you will 
agree with me that it is not proper 
and just that these former rulers 
should be given Rs. 10.70 crores. 

Just when this Bill has been in- 
troduced in this House providing for 
the abolition of the privileges en- 
joyed by the ex-rulers, the announce- 
ment of ex gratia payment of Rs. 
10.70 crores appeared in the Press. It 
is just like giving chocolate to a 
crying child. It is quite undignified 
on the part of the Government to 
make such a declaration Eithe^frev 
could have withheld this announce- 
ment of paying Rs. 1070 crores ex 
gratia to the former rulers till this 
Bill is passed Dy the Parliament or 
they could have brought this Bill 
after paying Rs 10.70 crores to the 
ex-rulers I suspect the sudden gene- 
rosity of the Government and I 
would like to know whether there 
is any political motive in this move 

13.27 hrs. 

I Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair.] 

The other day in the newspapers 
I came across a news item stating 
that the Deputy Minister of Rail- 
ways, Shri Shaft Quereshi expressed 
the view-point that the award of 
one-man Tribunal wjjich recommend- 
ed the pavmsnt of night duty allow- 
ance to 13 lakhs of railway workers 
is not binding on the Government. 
When the payment of night duty 
allowance to the railway workers is 
recommended by the Tribunal set 
up by the Government, the Govern- 
ment shrinks. But this bounty of Rs. 
10.70 crorec ic being given to the 
ex-rulers. Similarly, the Government 
is not comine to anv definite deci- 
sion in regard to payment of dear- 
ness allowance to its own employees 
who are in great distress on account 


of soaring prices. Here A the Govern- 
ment in an unseemly hurry declares 
the payment of Rs. 10.70 crones ex 
gratia to the ex-rulers. 

If I say that the Government have 
not kept up at their plighted word 
during the mid-term poll, it might 
be said that the Member belonging 
to the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam 
has made an unwarranted criticism. 
But, the hon Member who preceded 
me, Shri Kathamuthu belonging to 
the Communist Party of India with 
whom the Ruling Party has a joint 
front, has made the charge that the 
Government have failed miserably 
in fulfilling the promises given to 
the people of the country during the 
mid-term poll. 

The ruling party got this overwhe- 
lming maioritv mainly due to the 
propaganda of Government wanting 
to abolish the privy purses and 
other privileges of the former rulers. 
Now. so soon after coming to power 
on this plank, the Government are 
trying to squander the public money 
in paying Rs. 10 70 crores to the 
former rulers. 

The other day we had a discussion 
in this House on the drought situa- 
tion prevailing in the country There 
are reports of starvation deaths in 
the drought afflicted areas. The peo- 
ple are in great distress on account 
of price spiral The majority of our 
population has not shelter, has not 
been getting two square meals a 
day and the spectre of unemploy- 
ment is looming large over the coun- 
try. Could not this sum of Rs. 10.70 
crores he used in removing at least 
to some extent the wide-spread po- 
verty in the country and in wiping 
the hot tears of famished children 
of our country’ 

Just because the* Prime Minister 
has decided on this question of pay- 
ing Rs. 1070 crores to the former 
rulers, a provision has been made in 
this Bill to amend the Income-tax 
Act for giving exemption from pay- 
ment of inegmp-tax on such payment. 
This Houd^iias not been given an 
opportunity^ to discuss the issue. 
This House is faced with a fait ac- 
compli. Is this proper, Sir? Is this 
according to democratic norms and 
traditions? 



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The people of our country will 
give a fitting reply at the appropriate 
time and the Government will have 
to face that consequence. I would 
request the hon. Mims ter to with- 
draw this Bill. No exemption from 
income-tax should be allowed for 
such payments . This section should 
be suitably amended In fact, I 
would request the hon. Minister to 
delete the provision which speaks of 
ex gratia payment to ex-rulers, 
which is repugnant, unjust and un- 
warranted. 

I oppose this Bill on this score. It 
can be re-introduced after deleting 
this provision regarding ex gratia 
payment. With these words I con- 
clude. * 

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SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(tiegusarai): This is only a conse- 
quential measure and therefore there 
is nothing substantive to be examin- 
ed m it. Perhaps this measure was 
not necessary at all. There was a 
hint of this in the speech of the hon. 
Minister himself. It may be that 
due to the amendments that we had 
carried in December last many of 
these provisions and laws would have 
automatically been rendered infruc- 
tuous. Even so, if by way of abun- 
dant caution Government had 
thought it fit to move these amend- 
ments, we could have no objection. 
But what intrigues us most is that 
in spite of the clear direction of the 
Chair yesterday, we have not been 
given tc understand what would be 
the basis of the ex gratia payment to 
be made to these ex-Rulers. We had 
raised this point in connection with 
the Supplementary Demands for 
Grants We have not been told what 
would be the rationale behind this, 
what is the arithemetic behind this 
figure of Rs. 10.70 crores. When the 
hon Minister spoke a little while 
ago, he did not give us any idea 
about it If he has not done so, on 
technical grounds I cannot take ob- 
jection because this Bill seeks only 
to give them a tax concession. But 
I thought this would be the oppor- 
tunity for the Minister to enlighten 
the House about the basis on which 
they have demanded this amount. 

Therefore, the whole thing remains 
mysterious We have earlier held 
that there is something privy to the 
abolition of the privy purse. We 
have always taken objection to the 
hidden dimension of the abolition of 
the privy purse. Once I had occasion 
to say that in this increasingly 
sleeveless world the Prime Minister 
seemed to be lengthening her sleeves 
and keeping something up her 
sleeves. That remains the position 
even now. We really do not know 
what is going to the basis for making 
•this ex gratia payment of this huge 
order. 


We are being asked to give tax 
concession to them, to make these 
payments completely tax-free. We 
really do not know for what pur- 
pose we are being asked to make it 
tax-free. 

It is said that these payments are 
for a “transitional period"; transition 
to what? Then it is said that it is for 
helping them to adjust themselves to 
the new circumstances. Adjust, again, 
to what level? Had the Government 
applied its mind to the level to which 
it would like the princes to adjust 
themselves? We are kept in the dark 
about all these things. So, we really 
do not know what is exactly the 
concept of the transitional payment, 
what is exactly the concept of the 
adjustment to the new levels, because 
we do not know what these new 
levels are and how^they have been 
conceived One could have a 
different idea altogether about re- 
habilitating some of the small ex- 
rulers who get only paltry sums of 
money but this is not the occasion for 
me to elaborate on that. So, I would 
leave it here. 

But the one point on which I would 
like to reinforce what has been said 
by the hon. Member, Shn Joshi, Js 
ivith regard to the palaces. Here we 
have got certain examples of how 
the government have treated these 
palaces in a mysterious manner. It 
has come to our notice that some of 
the palaces of the Maharaja of My- 
sore. the ex-Ruler of Mysore, which 
had been treated as State property, 
is now sought to be treated as pri- 
vate property of the ex-ruler. We 
have been maintaining these palaces 
at a huge cost of about Rs. 1 lakh 
annually and yet it is being urged 
that they arc to be considered as 
private property/ The other day we 
were told in the Consultative Com- 
mittee by the Home Minister that 
this matter has been referred to the 
Attorney-General. May I say that 
earlier when this matter was con- 
sidered by the Government of My- 
sore when Shri Veerendra Patil hap- 
pened to be the Chief Minister, it 
was categorically stated on behalf 
of the State of Mysore that they 
could not treat this palace as private 
porperty. It was also held by Advo- 
cate-General of Mysore that they 
could not be treated as private pro- 



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[Shri Shyamna&dan Mishra] 
perty. And yet the Central Govern- 
ment informed the State Govern- 
ment of Mysore only the other day 
that they might be treated as private 
property. 

So, I would like to urge that these 
things, these palaces or, for that 
matter, even making jthese payments 
as tax-free, we are not able to com- 
prehend them fully. If only one palace 
is to be given, then we must be fur- 
nished an inventory of all the palaces 
and told whether some palaces are go- 
ing to be treated as State property, 
according to the merger agreements, 
or some other palaces are going to 
be treated as private property accord- 
ing to some agreements. These 
things have not been shared with 

L/*. 

However, so far as this measure is 
concerned, I would like to say that 
we have absolutely no objection to 
the consequential amendments that 
have been proposed. But the impli- 
cations of some of these amendments 
have not been clearly made out, and 
therein lies our objection. I hope 
during the reply the hon. Minister 
will try to enlighten us on these 
points. 

SHRI H. R. GOKHALE : Sir, as I 
said in my opening speech, the Bill 
seeks to amend the provisions of 
various Acts which are there in view 
of the privileges which existed in 
favour of the farmer princes. The 
hon. Member, Shri Shyamnandan 
Mishra is quite right. As I said in 
the beginning, a view can be taken 
that after the abolition of articles 
291 and 362, even though we might 
not delete the provisions, the privi- 
leges will not be available to the 
rulers. But *n matters like this Gov- 
ernment thought that the question 
should be put beyond doubt and, 
even if not necessary, at least these 
blots on the statutes books should be 
removed, and that is why these 
amendments have been proposed. 

While all speakers who participat- 
ed in the debate supported the mea- 
sure, Various questions have been 
raised which indeed are no doubt re- 
levant, The first question that was 
raised by one hon. Member was with 
regard to the amendment of the Cri- 
jpnal Procedure Code. I have indi- 


cated earlier that the situation alter 
the abolition of the concept of the 
rulership is now so different that 
the protection which was given to 
the former rulers, who at one time 
claimed to be equivalent to foreign 
rulers, has no justification to remain 
on the statute book. For example, no 
prosecution can be launched without 
the prior approval of the Central 
Government. If they have to prose- 
cute, or defend any suit in a court 
of law, the Central Government 
should provide them assistance. 
These are matters which are clearly 
out of date after the abolition of 
articles 292, 362 and so on. One hon. 
Member said that even for offences 
which took place prior to 26th Janu- 
ary 1950, prior to the commencement 
of the Constitution, the immunity, 
should not remain. In other words, 
after nearly 25 years have gone, if 
somebody wants to launch a prosecu- 
tion for some alleged offence which 
may or may not have been commit- 
ted prior to that date, he should have 
complete freedom to prosecute the 
ruler like any other citizen. Apart 
from the fact that even in respect 
of ordinary citizens such a stale 
prosecution will normally not be en- 
tertained by any criminal court, it 
was thought desirable that while the 
immunity lasted and did last, whe- 
ther rightly or wrongly, till the 
Constitution came into force, for 
acts or omissions which were com- 
mited prior to the Constitution com- 
ing into force the immunity should 
remain and it should not become a 
handle in the hands of some people 
who might have a grievance for one 
reason or another against an indi- 
vidual prince to take the matter to 
a criminal court for a 25-years old 
dispute in a criminal matter. But it 
is quite clear that after the 26th 
January 1950 there is no protection. 
So, if an offence is alleged after 
that date, it can be taken to a crimi- 
nal court by any citizen and the 
rulers will be dealt with as any 
other individual citizen, would be 
dealt with in a criminal court, after 
the passing of this amendment. 

With regard to the Civil Procedure 
Code some reference was made and 
some instances were also pointed 
out. If there are disputes pending, I 
am sure they must have been pend- 



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mg alter the appropriate approval of 
the Central Government was ob- 
tained under the relevant provisions 
of the Civil Procedure Code and those 
disputes will certainly go to a civil 
court The question is if for 25 years 
or so no proceeding in a civil court 
has at all been instituted till now, 
should we or should we not continue 
the immunity in respect of cause of 
action which arose prior to 26th 
January 1950 

The piovision makes quite clear 
that if there is a cause of action 
after the passing of the Constitution 
and of course subject to the law of 
limitation of the land, there is no 
bar now thete is no immunity now, 
foi anv such civil suits being filed 
against any former ruler The courts 
are open Every litigant will be 
free to go against a rulei for any 
cause of actio i after the Constitution 
came into fo’ce and for that matter 
against any one The immunity from 
arrest is also taken away There is 
no such immunity 

Then a lefuence was made to cer- 
tain other piovisions like the amend- 
ment to the Income-tax Act, the 
'.mondment to the Gift Tax Act 
ind the amendment to the Wealth 
Tax Act As I have pointed out ear- 
lier before the passing of the pro- 
posed Bill the piovision is that cer- 
tain palaces weie exempt from v ealth 
tax Now. what is done in respect of 
> former rulei who was recognised 
before is this After the amendment 
of the lelevant definition in the Con- 
stitution, article 366 there is no ques- 
tion of recognising a new heir or a 
successor to such of those who are 
dive and who have ceased to be 
rulers after the passing of the 
n Venty-Sixth Constitution Amend- 
ment Act In respect of them only 
one residential house has been ex- 
empted from the levy of wealth 
tax This too has been made appli- 
cable during the life-time of the 
ruler There is no new ruler now 
Such as those who are living will be 
having a house and that will be 
subject to exemption from the wealth 
tax There is no auestion of recog- 
nising a successor now There is no 
question of anvhodv taking his place 
hereafter 


With regard to the Gift Tax Act, 
the provision is the same. There is 
no exemption from Gift Tax For- 
merly, if any gift was made from 
the privy purse amount, may be to 
his relative or to his friend, that 
gift was free from gift tax Now, no 
gift made from any ex-gratia pay- 
ment is free from gift tax and no 
gift made from arrears of privy purse 
amount which might have been paid 
is free from gift tax That exemption 
is altogether taken away 

With regard to Income-Tax, the 
piovision is two-fold There really a 
question arise as to the ex-gratia 
payment Let me make it clear that 
the present Bill does not authorise 
er-giatia payments The authority for 
payment is not derived from this 
Bill The authority for payment Will 
come only when the Demands are 
considered by the House The argu- 
ment was that the House is not con- 
sulted The House will certainly be 
consulted Unless the House passes 
the Demands no payment can be 
made at all Therefore, there is no 
question of making any payment 
without consulting the House 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
But the House must be able to 
comprehend the demand 

SHRI H R GOKHALE I entirely 
agree with you The question comes 
when the demand comes for consi- 
deration 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
Before that 

SHRI H R GOKHALE Whether 
it is for Rs 10 crores or whatever it 
is certainly, the hon Member will 
be entitled to ask the Finance Minis- 
ter as to whether there is any ratio- 
nal basis or if he wants to say that 
the basis is irrational certainly, he 
will be entitled to say that So far 
as the present Bill is concerned, there 
is no authonty to pay All that it 
savs is, in the event of a payment 
being sanctioned m the appropriate 
way by Parliament then the ex -gra- 
tia pavments will be free from In- 
come-tax 

Now it was said why this exemp- 
tion from tax Wh*»t is the basic 
objective’ If there Is a difference 



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[Sim H. R Gokhale] 
opinion on that, then that is a differ- 
ent matter. The word “princes” is 
such that everybody conceives that 
they are very big rulers. But the 
reality is that all the rulers are not 
big rulers. There are quite a few 
who are really small rulers. The 
privy purse payments were also very 
small. That is why, even at the time 
when the Bill was moved in the 
House for amending the Constitu- 
tion, the Prime Minister said that 
we would look at this question not 
with any animus against individual 
princes. In fact, while it was left to 
me to pilot the Bill as subsequqent 
stages, at that time, I had also said 
that particularly for the smaller 
princes, the Government will have 
to take into consideration as to whe- 
ther some transitional payments 
should be made or not. This position 
was not left in any doubt. 

Now, the question is, if this pay- 
ment is to be made, if it is sanc- 
tioned by the Parliament, then there 
is no point in making the payment 
if it is subject to tax The idea is to 
enable particularly the smaller rulers 
to rehabilitate themselves during the 
transitional period and to adjust 
themselves to the changed circum- 
stances. The payment should not be 
in the nature of an eye-wash Then, 
there is no point. If the payment is 
made and substantial percentage of 
it is taken away by the Government, 
it is only a payment in name. 
It is not a payment in fact to the 
ruler concerned and it does not serve 
the purpose for which the payment 
is sought to be made That is why 
only in the event of an appropriate 
grant be'ing approved by the House 
and a situation arising when ’ Pay- 
ment has to be made, then fr.e par- 
ticular clause relating to exemption 
from tax so »far as these ex-gratia 
payments are concerned will operate 

It has also been said that while 
so much has been done and so much 
has been said about rulers for re- 
habilitating them or for enabling 
them to adjust to changed circum- 
stances, nothing has been said in 
this Bill with regard to the number 
of employees of the ex-rulers. Let me 
make it quite clear at the outset 
that the Government is not behind 
anybody in their concern and in 


their sympathy for the employees of 
the ex-rulers or at least for such of 
those as are likely to lose their jobs 
in the changed circumstances. I am 
in a position to say that, the matter 
is under consideration of the Gov- 
ernment. In fact, the State Govern- 
ments have been approached and at- 
tempts are being made to see that 
as many of them as possible are ab- 
sorbed in Government service in 
their appropriate places, according to 
their position, ability and so on and 
so forth But it is not understand- 
able how a provision with regard to 
absorption can be brought in this 
Bill. The Bill deals with the aboli- 
tion of privileges. An unfortunate 
consequence is likely to occur of 
which the Government is aware and 
the Government is thinking of the 
matter and is taking precautions to 
sec that some adequate steps are 
taken, that the State Governments 
do consider the matter sympatheti- 
cally Whether it is a question of 
unemployment of the employees of 
the former rulers or for that matter 
other unemployed persons, it is al- 
ways the concern of the Government 
and the question of the employees of 
former rulers cannot escape the 
attention of the Government. 

Something was also said with re- 
gard to heirloom jewellery. What 
was said was that this should not 
have been done The provision which 
obtains before the passing of this 
Bill is that prior to the passing of 
the Wealth-tax Act, the heirloom je- 
wellery of a very few rulers was re- 
cognised by the Central Government 
and the same was made the basis for 
exemption from Wealth Tax Act. 
When the Wealth Tax Act came, the 
Drovision was that the Central 
Board of Direct Taxes under the 
rules as framed by the Central Gov- 
ernment would be entitled to con- 
trol the use, utilisation, disposal, etc. 
of the heirloom jewellery and, sub- 
ject to these rules, subject to these 
controls, the heirloom jewellery of 
some of the other rulers might be 
recognised. Nearly 25 rulers had ap- 
Dlied and the cases of only those who 
had applied were Considered by the 
Central Board of Direct Taxes, In 
their cases, on conditions which were 
imposed and which have been laid 
down bv appropriate rules' by the 



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Central Board of Direct Taxes, the 
heirloom jewellery was recognised as 
free from wealth tax. 

The present Bill goes a step fur- 
ther. It wants to impose, in the case 
of heirloom jewellery recognised by 
the Central Government, similar 
conditions or, may I say, to a certain 
extent, more stringent than the 
rules framed by the Central Board 
of Direct Taxes under which heirloom 
jewellery has been recognised and 
exempted from wealth-tax. The result 
is that all rulers who had been 
claiming exemption from wealth 
tax now will be entitled to the ex- 
emption subject to the provisions of 
this Bill only if they abide by the 
conditions and terms which are 
given in one of the clauses of the 
proposed Bill. For example, there is 
control on the disposal, control on 
the substantial variations in the na- 
ture of jewellery and control over 
taking out their jewellery outside the 
country and so on and so forth. 

There can be no ruler, after the 
passing of this Bill, who can be hav- 
ing heirloom jewellery without any 
kind of control imposed by the Gov- 
ernment. Somebody suggested that 
these were antiquities and that 
Government could take them over. 

I might mention that the Anti- 
quities Bill has been passed only re- 
cently, in this Session. 'Heirloom' 
itself means an article which has 
come down from generation to gene- 
ration- that is the dictionary mean- 
ing of heirloom, If such jewellery is 
there and if it. is over 100 years old 
as the Antiquities law provides, in 
appropriate cases, it is still open to 
the Government to consider whether 
it should be taken over or not The 
Drovision here does not prevent the 
Government from taking it over: if 
it is heirloom which falls within the 
definition of 'antiquity' under the 
relevant Act passed by the House. 

14 hrs. 

I would assure the House that the 
Bill is in terms of what Govern- 
ment had stated when the Constitu- 
tion (Twenty-sixth Amendment) Bill 
had been passed. It was made clear 
even at that time that, while it 


was true that the anachronism of 
maintaining in this coUBtry a privi- 
leged class who went on getting privy 
purses without a corresponding func- 
tional responsibility should be abo- 
lished, Government did not want to 
vindictive, did not want to use its 
powers to attack the princes who 
really deserved some consideration 
and who were required to adjust 
themselves to changed circumstances. 
Therefore, the Bill which has been 
brought before the House is in 
keeping with the policy of the Gov- 
ernment which has been stated be- 
fore the House earlier also. 

I am sure, wheni the question of 
authorising any payment in the na- 
ture of ex-gratia comes before the 
House, the members are bound to 
raise questions and Government is 
bound to give clarifications. 

With these clarifications, I com- 
mend that the Bill be taken into 
consideration. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
Mr Deputy-Speaker, may we seek 
your guidance now? Yesterday it 
was thought that if the discussion 
on this Bill preceded the discussion 
on the Supplementary Demands, then 
probably we would be in a position 
to comprehend the Demands with 
which we would be confronted. Now 
as the hon- Minister has said, this 
measure would apply only after the 
Supplementary Demand has been 
passed Of course, the position is 
like that. 

We do not know whether this 
should have preceded the Supple- 
mentary Demand or the Supple- 
mentary Demand should have pre- 
ceded this measure in order to make 
us better informed about this matter. 
We retflly do not know. How are we 
going to understand the Demand ful- 
lv? T) 0 you want us to know from 
the Finance Minister when the Sup- 
nlementarv Demand comes up for 
discussion or would ‘vou like us to 
be equipped with information before 
we come to discuss the Supplemen- 
tary Demand’ 

MR. DFPTJTY-SPEAKER • There 
is no conflict. The present Bill says 
that in case there is pv oratia pay- 
ment, that payment will be exempt- 
ed frem income-tax. 



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SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
It would have be«a more logical to 
have the Supplementary Demand 
fit-st. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: In case 
there is any ex-gratia payment, whe- 
ther the House should agree to a 
particular amount for this purpose, 
that will be taken up when the 
Demand comes before the House. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
We were promised yesterday that, 
during the course of the discussion 
of this measure, we would be able 
to know about the rationale behind 
the Supplementary Demand But 
that promise is not being fulfilled 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do 
not know who has made that com- 
mitment As far as I can see. there 
is no conflict whatever. This is only 
an enabling provision. In case there 
is ex-gratia payment, that payment 
would be exempted from income-tax: 
if there is no ex-gratia payment, the 
question will not arise. The question 
of ex-gratia payment can be taken 
up when the Supplementary De- 
mands are brought before the House. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: 
What about the request of the 
House to the Chair that the House 
must be informed about the basis of 
the Supplementary Demand’ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am 
sorry, I cannot enlighten you on 
this, under what circumstances that 
commitment was made As far as 
I am concerned — and I am concerned 
with this Bill now— I see no conflict 
whatsoever. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): 
Suppose tomorrow th£v come up 
with a Supplementary Demand for 
Rs. 250 crores as ex-gratia payment 
to these princes; then this Bill will 
permit that amount free of tax? Are 
we, as legislators, going to accept 
that? 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is 
the meaning of this Bill. 

The question is: 

“That the Bill further to amend 
certain enactments conse- 


nt, 1972 States (etc. etc.) liitt 

quent on derecogpition of 
Rulers of Indian States and 
abolition of privy purses, so 
as to abolish the privileges 
of Rulers and to make cer- 
tain transitional provisions 
to enable the said Rulers to 
adjust progressively to the 
changed circumstances, be 
taken into consideration.” ' 

The motion was adopted. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now 
we take up clause-bv-clause consi- 
deration. There is no amendment to 
Clause 2. 

The question is: 

“That Clause 2 stand part of the 
Bill ” 

The motion was adopted. 

('la use 2 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 3- (Amendment of Act 5 of 
1908) 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU (Naga- 
pattinam) - T beg to move: 

Page 2, — 

tor lines 7 to 23, substitute — 
“sub-section (1) shall be 
omitted ” (1) 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER- T shall 
now put Amendment No. 1 bv Shri 
M. Kathamuthu to Clause 3. to the 
vote of the House 

Amendment No. 1 was put and nega- 
tived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER- Now I 
will put Clauses 3 and 4. to which 
there are no amendments to the 
vote of the House 

The question is: 

“That Clauses 3 and 4 stand part 
of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 3 and 4 were added to the 

Bill. 



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Clause S— {Amendment of Act 27 of 
1957.) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There 
is one amendment to Clause 5 by 
Shri M. Kathamuthu. 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: I beg 
to move: 

Pages 2 and 3,— 

for lines 35 to 44 and 1 to 24, 
substitute— “(b) clause (xiv) 
shall be omitted.’' (2) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 
amendment given notice of bv Shri 
Annasaheb Gotkhinde is barred by 
article 117(1) of the Constitution. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHINDE 
(Sanglt): Why, Sir’ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your 
amendment involves recommenda- 
tion of President under article 117(1) 
of the Constitution which has not 
been received. Therefore, it cannot 
bo moved 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN- 
DE: I have asked for it 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It has 
not been received. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN- 
DE Am I to be blamed for it’ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I do 
not know. I am to run the House. 
That recommendation has not been 
received. It is not before me. I can- 
not say anything more. 

T shall now put Amendment No 2 
bv Shri Kathamuthu to Clause 5 to 
the vote of the House 

Amendment No. 2 teas put and ne- 
gatived. 

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The 
Question is: 

“That Clause 5 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion urns adopted 

Clause 5 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 6 was added to the Bill. 


Clause 7 — ( Amendment of Act 43 of 

mi.) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There 
is an amendment, No. 3, by Shri M. 
Kathamuthu. 

SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU: I beg 
to move: 

Page 3 — 

omit lines 29 to 32. (3) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Mr. 
Gotkhinde, for the same reason men- 
tioned by me earlier, your Amend- 
ment No. 5 cannot be moved: the 
same applies to your Amendments 
Nos 7, 8 and 10 Your Amendment 
No. 6 can be moved 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN- 
DE: I beg to move: 

Page 3, line 39, — 

for “palace” substitute “build- 
ing”. (6) 

My Amendment No. 8 is like 
Amendment No. 6 . . 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Your 
amendment involves some alteration, 
in the tax-structure and it cannot be 
moved unless the President’s recom- 
mendation to that effect is received. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN- 
DE: My submission is this. As you 
have stated, mv Amendment No. 6 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER- That 
does not attract article 117(1) of the 
Constitution 

SHRI ANNASAHEB GOTKHIN- 
DE: Amendment No. 8 i«s a conse- 
quential amendment. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: T can- 
not argue with vou on this. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : *1 have not 
heard what was his submission. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The de- 
cision to accept an amendment or 
not to accept is for the Chair and 
the Chair is not to explain why, at 
least in the House. 

SHRI PILOO MODY; My only 
submission is that the Chair is not 
intelligible. If he has a submission, 
it must be listened to. That is my 
submission. 



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RidJifo of Indian 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, I 
will put amendment No. 3 of Shn 
Kathamuthu to clause 7 to vote. 

Amendment No. 3 was put and ne- 
gatived. 

MR. DEPUTYtSPEAKER: Now, I 
will put amendment No 6 to the 
_ vole of the House. • 

Amendment No. 6 was put and ne- 
gatived. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: Sir, there is 
a split in the Congress. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If Mr. 
Piloo Mody sometimes derives plea- 
sure from that. I do not want to deny 
him that. 

Now. the question is: 

“That clause 7 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion was adopted 

Clause 7 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 8 (New) 

SHRI R. V. BADE (Khargone): I 
beg to move: 

Page 4,— 

after line 18, add— 

"8. The Central Government 
shall provide maintenance 
allowance to the servants of 
the Ruler of the State and 
shall continue to give the 
same pay and allowances to 
the servants and staff of the 
Ruler and shall give pension 
after their, retirement and 
all servants and the staff of 
a Ruler shall be treated as 
Government servants and 
this amount shall not be de- 
ducted from the ex-gratia 
payment of the Ruler.” (11) 

Now, that the Minister has said 
that the interests of the employees 
will be looked after, after the pass- 
ing of the Bill, I am not pressing 
mv amendment. 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Does 
the hon. Member have the leave of 
the House to withdraw his amende 
ment ? 

The amendment was. by leave, withr 

drawn. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 
question is: 

“That clause 1, the Enacting 
Formula and the Title stand 
part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and 
the Title were added to the Bill. 

SHRI H R. GOKHALE : I beg to 
move: 

“That the Bill be passed”. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 

question is: 

“That the Bill be passed”. 

The motion was adopted. 

MR. DEPUEY-SPEAKER; The 

Bill is passed. 


1414 hrs. 

SEEDS (AMENDMENT) BILL 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now 
we take up the Seeds (Amendment) 
Bill 

SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY 
(Kendrapara): Sir. there is no quo- 
rum in the House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let the 
bell be rung . . . Now there is quo- 
rum The hon. Minister. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF AGRICUL- 
TURE (SHRI ANNASAHEB P. 
SHINDE): I beg to move*: 

“That the Bill to amend the 
Seeds Act, 1966, be taken 
into consideration.” 

Seeds constitute a very important 
input in agricultural production and 
to a very large measure the success 
in agricultural production in the last 


‘Moved with the recommendation of the President. 



Hi Sr< d$ BHADBA 4, 1894 (8 AKA) (Atnendnmit) Bill 


82 


lew years can be attributed to the 
release and distribution of improvedi 
varieties of seeds of many crops and 
especially the hybrids of millets like 
sorghum, maize, bajra, etc. The Seeds 
Act of 1966 was the first legislation 
towards the regulation of quality 
of seeds. The Act not only provided 
for minimum standards for seeds of 
certain notified varieties and crops, 
but also enables a person to bring 
up his seed for certification. The 
standards for certified seeds have 
been kept higher than those pres-* 
cribed for notified seeds sold as seed 
material 

The State Governments, under the 
provision of the Act can establish 
certification agencies in their States. 
While a number of States have es- 
tablished their own certification 
agencies, many others have continu- 
ed to designate the National Seeds 
Corporation as the official seed cer- 
tification agency. In the initial stages 
the Corporation had to take up cer- 
tification as a service function, as it 
had the necessary technical exper- 
tise and administrative set up. A 
certification agency has to be an im- 
partial body independent of seed 
production, marketing and seed law 
enforcement, if it is to gain the con- 
fidence of the seed produces and the 
farmers. As long as the National 
Seed Corporation was the official 
certification agency in most States, 
a uniform set of standards and Pro- 
cedure was adopted. But with State 
Governments setting up independent 
certification agencies in their States 
it i s considered necessary to evolve 
suitable methods for ensuring that 
the certification standards and pro- 
cedures are uniform throughout the 
country. This uniformity in the 
standards of certain seeds produced 
in different parts of the country is 
essential as a lot of movement of 
seeds takes place across State boun- 
daries. It is with a view to achieve 
some measure of uniformity in the 
standards of certification that the 
proposed' amendment is being placed 
before the House The proposed 
amendment provides for a Central 
Statutory Seed Certification Board 
which will be able to advise the 
'Central and State Governments to 


coordinate the functioning of the 
Seed Certification Agencies in the 
States. 

Certified Seeds must be of the 
highest quality possible and we are 
therefore proposing that under Sec- 
tion 9 of the Seeds Act separate 
standards for certified seeds can be 
fixed. While for any seed notified 
under the Act. it will be essential 
that it conforms to minimum stand- 
ards of germination and purity be- 
fore it can be sold as such, it is con- 
sidered necessary to make provision 
for fixing higher standards in case of 
certified seeds. Certification today 
as you know is a voluntary process 
under the - Act and the provision is 
an incentive to the seed producer to 
ensure that the seeds have the 
highest standards possible of germi- 
nation and purity, both physical and 
genetic. 

In the Bill which is being taken 
up for consideration we have there- 
fore proposed to provide for higher 
standards for certified seeds. 

Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Sir, I need 
not elaborate on the importance of 
jute to the country. It is very ne- 
cessary to step up the production of 
jute and for this jute cultivation 
must be taken up with seeds of the 
highest quality Under the amending 
Bill we propose to bring jute under 
the purview of the legislation. 

I am sure this House will welcome 
the Bill and the efforts being made 
bv the Central and State Govern- 
ments to assure the farmers seeds of 
the highest quality. 

I have already* explained the broad 
features of this Bill. Hon. Members 
will appreciate that there is abso- 
lutely no controversy involved in 
this Bill. In fact, the seed industry 
has come up on modern lines only 
quite recentlv and as we are gaining 
experience now and agriculture is 
developing on modern lines, we find 
that it is necessary to have such a 
Seed law so that necessary support 
to our agriculture is provided by the 
Seed industry which is very neces- 
sary. 



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AUGUST 26, 1972 iimndmrt) Bill 


81 


[Shri Annasaheb'.P. Shinde] 

Therefore, I would make a humble 
submission and appeal to the hon. 
Members that 'they may pass the 
Bill which is not a controversial sub- 
ject and I look forward to the unani- 
mous support of hon. Members to 
this Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion 
moved : 

“That the Bill to amend the 
Seeds Act, 1966; be taken 
into consideration”. 

There is an amendment by Shri 
S. N. Singh. He is not present in the 
House. It is not moved. Shri Jaga- 
dish Bhattacharyya. 

SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHA- 
RYYA (Ghatal): This Bill appears 
to be very simple in nature. It is 
meant for amending only four sec- 
tions of the original Act that was 
passed in 1966. There is not much 
to say about these amendments but 
it does not mean that the Bill has 
lost its importance. 

Seeds of proper quality, fixation of 
gradation and determination of in- 
trinsic value and worth are all 
things which are absolutely neces- 
sary to have anything good to he 
done in the field of agriculture 

A great responsibility develobes 
upon the Board which is going to 
be constituted under the provisions 
of this Bill Here also, T think, the 
Board that is going to be constitut- 
ed will not be up to the mark. So 
far as I think, it is officer-ridden. I 
don’t find any justification for includ- 
ing a representative of tradesmen on 
thi? Board They are called upon to 
discharge not only the duties that I 
have already mentioned, but also, to 
coordinate the activities of the diffe- 
rent Boards and Committees that are 
hkely to h»e set up in different States. 

In Section 2, it has iust now been 
mentioned bv the hon Minister that 
jute seeds are also included. I cer- 
tainly welcome this inclusion, but 
one thing still baffles my imagination. 


It is stated in the Statement of Ob- 
jects and Reasons: 

“Opportunity has also been taken 
to include jute seeds within 
the purview of the Act since 
jute is a very important 
crop.” 

Now, Sir. this Seeds Act was pass- 
ed in 1966, that is, 20 years after our 
independence and even then the far- 
mers of this Act did not think it fit 
to include jute seed in it; and now, 
it took this Government 25 years to 
realise that jute is also, an important 
crop and jute seed should also be 
brought within the purview of this 
Bill, although this crop had been 
earning a considerable amount of 
foreign exchange during all these 
years. 

In Section 8(c) it has been men- 
tioned • 

“No proceeding of the Board or 
anv Committee thereof shall 
become invalid merely by 
reason of the existence of 
any vacancy therein or any 
defect in the constitution 
thereof.” 

I don’t find any reason why this ex- 
pression ‘any defect in the constitu- 1 
tion thereof should be here. Does 
the Minister anticipate, that there 
will be defects in the constitution of 
the Board or Committees? Or should 
we presume that the Ministry Itself 
is defective’ Whatever it may be, it 
has got no place here 

Lastly, I would very much emoha- 
sise that the Certification of the Seed 
bv the Board should be done with 
the utmost care. In the present 
bureucratic set-up there is every 
likelihood of manipulation by inter- 
ested parties to have bad seeds cer- 
tified as good seeds Our farmers 
have got a fair amount of bitter ex- 
perience in this regard 

So. it should be the duty of the 
board to see that really gpod seeds 
are easily made available to the 
growers, and any slackness or neg- 
ligence or carelessness in this regard 
will defeat the -very purpose for 
which this Bill has been brought 
forward 



deeds BHADRA i, 


SHRI MOHANRAJ KALINGARA- 
YAR. (Pollachi) : Mr. Deputy-Spea- 
ker, Sir, while supporting this Bill, 
namely the Seeds (Amendment) Bill, 
1972, I would like to raise some 
points. 

It is only after 25 years after our 
Independence that our Government 
have thought of bringing forward 
this Bill, and till now, Government 
did not realise it. Otherwise, they 
would have brought the Bill earlier, 
because a large part of our country 
has been under agriculture. Agricul- 
ture in most parts of India has been 
lacking in modern equipment, proper 
seeds, proper fertilisers etc. At least 
now, I am happy that Government 
have taken steps to bring this Bill 
to develop good and genuine seeds, 
to develop our agricultural products 
and to save India from borrowing 
food and other agricultural products 
from foreign countries. 

I am happy that this Bill provides 
for the constitution of a Central 
Board to certify the purity of seeds. 
I am surprised to find that Govern- 
ment have included in this Bill jute 
seeds. In the Statement of Objects 
and Reasons appended to the Bill, it 
has been stated that: 

‘Opportunity has also been 
taken to include jute seeds 
within the purview of the 
Act, since jute is a very im- 
portant crop.” 

Their realisation of the Government 
has been far too late. I am happy 
at least now Government have rea- 
lised that jute has some importance 
and jute is one of our most impor J 
tant commercial crops which earns 
a large amount of foreign exchange. 
So, I would like to know from the 
hon. Minister why this lapse should 
have been committed by Govern- 
ment. The original Act was passed 
in 1966, but it is only now that they 
have thought of including jute seed 
within the purview of the Act. 

Now, I would like to make a few 
observations regarding the constitu- 
tion of the Central Seed Certifica- 
tion Board. We have no objection to 


1894 (SAKA) (Amewlw f nf) Bill 86 

having this board, but I would like 
to request the hon. Minister to have 
some representation from the far- 
mers' group. Being a farmer, I would 
definitely like to be on the board. 
Instead of letting the entire thing 
to the discretion of Government. I 
would request the hon. Minister that 
at least some farmers should be on 
the board. " 

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SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar). 
I do not want to take much time of 
the House. I have only one point to 
make. That is regarding the composi- 
tion of the Central Seed Certifica- 
tion Board. Clause 3 inserts a new 
section 8A to 8E. Item 2(iv) of sec 
8A reads: 

"thirteen persons to be nominat- 
ed by the Central Govern- 
ment to represent such in- 
terests as that Government 
thinks fit, of whom not less 
than four persons shall be 
representatives of seed pro- 
ducers or tradesmen”. 

Here Government have not thought 
it pioper to include representatives 
of producers because the terminology 
used is such that producers may not 
be given representation at all. This 
provision may be properly amended 
to give representation to producers 
in this newly-formed Board. I hope 
Government will do the needful in 
this respect. 

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MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER; The 
hon. Minister. I wonder whether you 
can finish before 3. Yoq can continue 
on Monday. You can begin now and 
continue on Monday. How long will 
you take? 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: 
Fifteen minutes. 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Then 
we shall finish this business and 
take up the next business later on. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: 
I am thankful to the hon. Members 
of the House for participating in the 
discussion on this Bill. Irrespective 
of party affiliations all Members who 
have participated have broadly sup- 
ported this measure, though they 
have made some good suggestions for 
consideration by my Ministry. I am 
really so happy to find that there 
is an all round awareness in this 
country, particularly among the poli- 
ticians and the hon Members of 
this House about the need to moder- 
nise our agriculture Ours was essen- 
tially a backward country and our 
agriculture was essentially feudal 
agriculture. The need of the moment 
is to modernise it and the process 
has just been initiated. I am not 
trying to say that every problem has 
been solved. We have to solve many 
problems and the most fundamental 
role in the modernisation of agricul- 
ture has to be played by seed. 

All over the world agriculture is 
coming up because of modern inputs 
such as fertilisers, agriculture ma- 
chinery, soil and water management, 
by modern scientific concepts but 
the most important element has been 
the seed, that is new genetic mate- 
rial It is in fact one of the biggest 
achievements of science that scient- 
ists the world over have succeeded 
in evolving new genetic strains. The 
Indian scientists have not lagged be- 
hind and it is in fact the contribu- 
tion of Indian scientists, scientists of 
the Indian Council of Agricultural 
Research that we are now in a posi- 
tion to develop our new seed mate- 
rial. It was not enough to develop 
it, in laboratories and research sta- 
tions. How to ensure production on 
a large scale and availability to a 
large number of farmers? Swatan- 
traji put his finger on the right 
point. Certification is all right, seed 
law is all right. How would it reach 
the millions of poor and middle far- 
mers? That was his point. May I 
assure Swatantrgji, one of our vete- 
rans and great patriots, that it would 



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be the endeavour of our Ministry 
and the Government of India to see 
that in times to come seed reaches 
the millions of our farmers. At pre- 
sent arrangements are inadequate; 
there are a lot of deficiencies We 
shall have to make up all these defi-* 
ciencies. 

15 hrs. 

As for the provisions of the Bill, 
I am grateful to Shri Darbara Singh 
and others for giving compliments 
to the Ministry and the Government 
for taking some steps to modernise 
the seed industry. A suggestion was 
made that seeds should be distribut- 
ed to the farmers in containers and 
there should be no scope for adul- 
teration. I should request the hon. 
Members to go through the original 
Act. It is mentioned there: what is 
the germination purity standards. If 
a seller contravenes those provisions 
he can be dealt with properly; there 
are adequate provisions. I now come 
to the provisions of this Bill. There 
are certification agencies in the coun- 
try. Originally this work was done 
by the National Seeds Corporation 
but we wanted that there should be 
greater involvement bv the State 
Governments in this matter. We are 
a federal Government and a vast coun- 
try with different agro-climate con- 
ditions. We thought the States should 
come up with their seed certification 
agencies. Unfortunately this particu- 
lar aspect of the work was neglected 
and in certain States even the Dis- 
trict agricultural officers were en- 
trusted with the iob of certifying 
seeds This is a highly technical job. 
Seed and genetics is one of the most 
complicated branches of science andi 
it requires a well equipned certify- 
ing agency so that it could insist on 
certain norms and all that, As a re- 
sult of the experience we had, we 
felt, there was need to have at the 
Centre some agency and therefore 
we are setting un ibis central seed 
certification board which gives repre- 
sentation to various interests. 

There was a criticism that it 
appeared to be too much dominated 
bv officials. I think that in the pro- 
visions we have made, onlv four are 
officials out of a total of 21 persons.* 


There are directors of agriculture 
of- various State Governments. The 
chairman is to be nominated by the 
Central Government. Three are 
directors of research in agricultural 
universities and thirteen persons will 
be representatives of producers and 
tradesmen. 

Unfortunately I am not happy 
with the wording used here; it is too 
late now to amend it but the spirit 
of it is to have dealers who deal 
in seed, because I thought their field 
experience might be useful, a dealer 
may be a co-operative society or 
some Government agency; while 
nominating we shall take care to 
see that it does represent a cross- 
section and it becomes appropriate. 
Our interest would be to sqe that 
maximum representation is given to 
the farmers, producers, etc. Because 
it is not right to confine it to four 
only. It says here; ... not less than 
four. It does not mean that only four; 
it can be even thirteen producers. 
There need not be any fear that far- 
mers would not be adequately repre- 
sented on this. 

Shri Bhattacharyya said that cer-i 
tification should be done with the 
utmost care. IThat is the purpose of 
this Bill. That is why a Central 
agency is being set up. There was 
also criticism to the effect that it 
took 25 years for the Government to 
include jute seed in this law. I am 
sorry Shri Bhattacharyya had left. 
The Seed Act itself was enacted in 
1966, six years ago. At that time due 
to some legal interpretations this 
could not be done. Now I find that 
this has to be done: our seed indus^ 
try has ’developed now and we are 
gradually bringing in ‘various crops 
and commodities as far as seed pro- 
duction certification was concerned 
and we thought that the original 
lacuna needs to be removed. 

Not that we have neglected the 
,iute seed in the past. But this mo- 
dern concept of seed is a very recent 
one. I am glad that even Shri Bhatta- 
charvya did not criticise it. In fact, 
he has welcomed it by saying that 
government has done the right thing 
in including this. 



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[Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde] 

Shri Bade said afti eft 

Vf 3TWT jfftT I He spoke 

this and then he left the House. I 
hope he did not mean it and made 
only a casual remark. Because, the? 
seed industry needs to be scientifi- 
cally based in this country. So, cer- 
tain rigid norms will have to be 
lail down and adhered to and implex 
mented in practice. The purpose is 
to serve the interests of the farmer 
and not to trouble the farmer. Many 
times we have received complaints 
that the seeds distributed to the far- 
mers do not germinate and so the 
farmers suffer. We want to ensure 
that this is not repeated. The pur- 
pose of the Board is to ensure better 
seeds to the farmer. 

The point raised by Shri Darbara 
Singh about seed I have already 
covered. Regarding the timely avail- 
ability of seed, the responsibility for 
the distribution of seed is of the State 
Governments. The Central Govern- 
ment can only help the State Govern- 
ment The difficulty is that sometimes 
the State Governments approach the/ 
Central Government for seed at the 
eleventh hour. Seeds cannot be pro- 
duced overnight. The production pro- 
gramme has to be taken up at least 
one year earlier. So, there is some 
lacuna- We are trying to co-ordinate 
the activities of the State Govern- 
ments. In fact, in my Ministry I am 
discussing how we can get over this 
difficulty. This year there were na- 
tural calamities in Rajasthan and 
original crops have been lost. Last 
year there was cyclone in Orissa 
floods in other parts of the country. 
So, all of a sudden, the States comes 
up with a big requirement. There- 
fore, the stage has come when the 
Government of India has to build a 
buffer stock, even if it means sink- 
ing a few lakhs of rupees, so that in 
times of emergency and natural cala- 
mities the farmers do not suffer on 
account of the non-availability of 
seeds. So the question of availability 
of seeds to the farmers is being 
given adequate consideration by my 
Ministry. 

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra said 
tg#t the cultivation of hybrid varie- 


ties is going down. This is a point 
which needs closer examination. 
Maize and bajra are some of the 
hybrid crops. Unfortunately, they 
are not coming up as we wanted 
them in the beginning. There is need 
to have a little stronger research sup- 
port. Bajra, for instance, is suffering 
from a disease called ergot. We have 
drawn the attention of our scientists 
to this problem and they are consi- 
dering it. 

Shri Teja Singh Swatantra can 
rest assured that in India good seeds 
are becoming popular. There were 
many people in India and abroad 
who thought that Indian farmers 
would not accept good seeds- It is 
not so. Though the National Seed 
Corporation came into being only in 
1963 and the seeds came into the 
market only in 1966, within a period 
of seven years the modern concept of 
seed has become very popular. I 
have every confidence that in times 
to come the seed industry and the 
modern concept of seed would be- 
come more and more popular. I do 
not think there will be any diffi- 
culty in expanding our seed industry 
with good support of this House and 
the hon. Members. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (Dia- 
mond Harbour): But where is the 
water ? Only 60 per cent of the cul- 
tivable area is irrigated 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE: 
In Bengal, his own State, there is 
so much of exploitation of under- 
ground water. Crores of rupees are 
being spent every year for tapping 
underground water This year itself 
the West Bengal Government pro- 
pose to spend Rs. 20 crores for minor 
lmgation. If he accompanies me, I 
will show him how programmes are 
being taken up there. 

I do not want to take more time 
of the House I will go into the com- 
ments of the hon. Member^ in detail. 
If any hon. Member requires any in- 
formation, I will furnish it indivi- 
dually to him. I am thankful to the 
hon. House for giving unanimous 
support to this measure. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 

question is: 

“That the Bill to amend the 



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Seeds Act, 1966 be taken into 
consideration." 

The motion was adopted 
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: We will 
take up clause by clause considera- 
tion. There is no amendment to clause 
2. The question is: 

"That clause 2 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion was adopted 
Clause 2 was added to the Bill 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: To 
clause 3 there are two amendments. 
Is Shri Naik moving his amend- 
ments? 

SHRI B. V. NAIK (Kanara): In 
view of the clarifications given by 
the hon. Minister, I do not want to 
move them. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Then I 
will put all the clauses to the vote 
together. The question is: 

“That clauses 3 to 5, clause 1. the 
Enacting Formula and the 
Title stand part of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted 
Clauses 3 to 5, clause 1, the Enacting 
Formula and the Title were added 
to the Bill. 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P SHINDE: 

I move: 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The 
question is: 

“That the Bill be passed.” 

The motion was adopted 

1512 hrs. 

MOTION RE: FINAL REPORT OF 
THE DIRECT TAXES ENQUIRY 
COMMITTEE. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we 
take up the motion of Shri Jyotir- 
moy Bosu. 

“That this House do consider the 
Final Report of the Direct 
Taxes Enquiry Committee, 
laid on the Table of the 
House on the 20th March, 
1972.” 

for which three hours have been al- 
lotted. 


SHRI SURENDRA MOHANTY (Re- 
nd rapara) : The time may be expend- 
ed. 

SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU (Dia- 
mond Harbour) ; I beg to move : 

“That this House do consider the 
Final Report of the Direct 
Taxes Enquiry Committee, 
laid on the Table of the 
House on the 20th March, 
1972.” 

Let us start with the birth of this 
Committee and why it came into ex- 
istence. On the 19th of December, 1969 
in Rajya Sabha a resolution was 
moved which reads: 

“This House is of the opinion 
that Government should con- 
stitute a committee consist- 
ing of experts and Members 
of Parliament to go into the 
failure of Central Board of 
Direct Taxes. Ministry of 
Finance, in the timely col- 
lection of taxes and to sug- 
gest remedial measures for 
improving the same.” 

Accordingly, this Committee was 
constituted by a resolution dated 2nd 
March, 1970 by the Government. I 
will not go into the details of the 
resolution just now. The object of 
this Committee is quite clear from 
what I have read out. But how the 
Government has ran away, escaped 
from the issue, that I shall narrate 
slowly. If we go to an ancient book, 
the Indian Tax Reform, Report of A 
Survey by Professor Kaldor, it says 
at page 105: 

“The total of assessable incomes 
in all sectors outside agricul- 
ture comes out at almost ex- 
actly twice the assessed in- 
come. *No significances atta- 
ches to this "precise figure, 
but it receives some confirma- 
tion from the fact that in the 
only sector in which the 
figures of income distribution 
are based on relatively solid 
material— in mining and fac- 
tory industry, and where al- 
most the whole of the acti- 
vity is carried on by compa- 
nies and hence income is 
not subject to an exemption 
limit— the ratio is also 2;1, 



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[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu], 

If these figures are anywhere 
near the truth, the amount 
of income tax lost through 
tax evasion is more of the 
order of Rs. 200—300 crores 
than Rs. 20 — 30 crores which 
is sometimes quoted in this 
connection.” 

This relates to the Buciget of 1956-57 
of the Finance Minister. The Gov- 
ernment at that particular time had 
been talking of evasion to the tune 
of Rs. 20—30 crores. But the eminent 
professor had very rightly pointed 
out that the evasion was to the tune 
of Rs. 200—300 crores. And this re- 
port wonderfully tallies with what 
Shri Rangnekar said in the note of 
dissent and also in regard to certain 
portions of the Wanchoo Committee 
Report. 

The final Report of the Wanchoo 
Committee says: 

“As regards the extent of tax 

evasion, we find that the 

average rate of tax cm the 
income assessed for 1965-66 
was around 25 per cent. But 
considering that the size of 
the problem of black money 
and tax evasion has grown 
over the years and tax eva- 
sion is more widely practised 
at higher levels of income, 
it would be appropriate to 
adopt the rate of tax appli- 
cable to evaded income of 
not less than 33 1/3 per 
cent for 1968-69. On this 
basis, the extent of income- 
tax evaded during 1968-69 
would be of the order of Rs. 
470 crores, being one-third of 
Rs. 1,400 crores. The money 
value of deals involving 
black lpcome may, therefore, 

be not less than Rs 7,000 

crores for 1968-69 . .” 

These are revealing facts. 

Then, the economist member in 
the Committee in his note of dissent 
has pointed out. 

“My exercise which is based on 
a detailed analysis of expen- 
diture statistics for the 
different sectors of the eco- 
nomy would seem to suggest 
that the tax-evad6d income 
in 1961-62 was of the order 


liirect Taxes lOi 
Enquiry Comm. (M) 

of Rs. 1,150 crores as com- 
pared to the estimate of Rs. 
811 crores mentioned m para 
2.17 of the main report. For 
1965-66, my estimate of 
“black money” is of the 
order of Rs. 2,350 crores as 
against Rs. 1,216 crores men- 
tioned in the report. It is 
not my claim that my esti- 
mates are absolutely accu- 
rate, but I think, they pro- 
bably approximate more to 
the realities. Estimates of 
black income sector-wise are 
given below in respect of 
the year 1965-66: — 

Industrial Sector — Rs. 677 
crores. 

Trade, transport, etc — Rs- 
975 crores. 

Construction — Rs. 262 crores. 

Films, professions and other 
services — Rs. 439 crores.” 

The Directorate of „ Inspection (Re- 
search, Statistics and Publications) 
has said that for 1961-62 alone, Rs. 
811 crores was the amount which 
escaped tax. Other figures are equally 
staggering. 

Then, I quote from Economic and 
Political Weekly which gives very 
useful figures: 

“As may be observed from Table 
1. during all the years from 
1951-52 to 1964-65, the non- 
farm household income asses- 
sed to income-tax rarely ex- 
ceeded one-third of the act- 
ual assessable income (i.e. 
the actual income accruing 
to the high-income house- 
holds). In other words, about 
two-third of the non-farm 
assessable income gets con- 
cealed from the taxation au- 
thorities. 

It follows, therefore, that the 
actual incidence of direct 
taxation on the non-farm 
high-income household group 
is much smaller than what 
the income-tax data reveal. 

Then, there is Table 1 given with 
different columns. I take only one 
year, that is, 1964-65 because time 
at my disposal is short Non-farm 
Household income— Rs. 9,452 crores; 
Non-farm Household income appro* 



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priated by High income groups— Rs. 
3,904 crores. Income Assessed to In- 
come-tax— Rs. 1,229 crores; Tax as- 
sessed — Rs. 152 crores; Income Asses- 
sed to Tax as percentage of Non-farm 
Household Income— Rs. 13 crores; In- 
come Assessed to Tax as percentage 
of Income of High Income Groups— 
Rs. 31.5 crores; Tax Assessed as Per- 
centage of Income Assessed — Rs. 12.4 
crores; etc. etc. 

These are very revealng figures 
and should act as in eye-opener to 
people who really give their mind 
to this problem. 

This morning, the Indian Express 
gives a very beautiful cartoon drawn 
by our respected friend from the 
Rajya Sabha, Mr. Abu It says: 

“When does black money become 
White?— 

When it is wrapped up in Khadi!” 

I could not agree with it more. 
This is how really it is working. 

Then, I go to avenues of black 
money. I have called this final Re- 
port to be a report written under 
duress, under pressure. So, we do 
not agree with most of the things 
this report says. The interim report 
was the genuine report. 

It says: 

“It is also spent in purchasing 
illegally quotas and licences 
at jpremia, financing secret 
commissions, bribes, litiga- 
tions, etc. giving ‘on-money’ 
in business transactions, buy- 
ing industrial peace, financ- 
ing election expenses and 
giving donations to political 
parties. Black money is also 
utilised in call deposits, bo- 
gus hundi loans, etc etc.” 

I will not go into all the details. 

Then, there is another quotation 
which I would like to give from the 
Economic and Political Weekly. It 
is an article written by an eminent 
professor Dandekar. It says: 

"When the big businesses jump 
the hurdles placed in their 
expansion path, they usually 
shed part of the black money 
they accumulate by evasion 
of taxes. The fall out is col- 
lected and shared by the 
bureaucrats and the politi- 


Enquiry Comm. (M) 

dans working in close coope- 
ration. It seems that the 
ruling party or parties re- 
gard big business as a milk- 
ing cow to be milked at will. 
It is not without significance 
that when recently the Con- 
gress Party decided to build 
an Indira Bhavan in Delhi 
worth a, crores of rupees, the 
Congress Chief Ministers sub- 
scribed on the spot funds 
amounting to several lakhs 
of rupees; they could not 
have done this without know- 
ing the vaults of black 
money . . .” 

So, the Indira Bhavan should be 
named as “Black Bhavan”. Further, 
it says: 

“This private understanding bet- 
ween the ruling party and 
the big business is the se- 
cond or probably the first 
major obstacle on the road 
to socialism . . .” 

Again, it says: 

‘ The scramble for election tic- 
kets and later for office sug- 
gests that all offices from 
top to bottom, in the Union 
Cabinet, in State cabinets, in 
Zila Parishads and Panchayat 
Samities are offices of profit 
and bring' in direct and in- 
direct profits sufficient to 
compensate more than ade- 
quately the expenses of 
election . ... Furthermore, 

some of the sitting members 
of the ruling party who 
could not be accommodated 
in the cabinets arc given 
suitable remunerative jobs on 
Committees. Commissions and 
ptlblic sector corporations; 
in fact, the latter are looked 
upon by the ruling party es- 
sentially as providing need- 
ed opportunity for this pur- 
pose . . .” 

I am ashamed to read this. But this 
is what the fact is. 

T quote further: 

“Once the big business jvns in 
the election efforts, it does not 
leave the ruling party during its 
tenure it asks for 

the quid pro quo and gets 



107 


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AUGUST 26, 1972 


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[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu ] 

it ..... It explains the hold 
Of the big business over the 
government in spite of its 
socialist professions and pro- 
testations. So long as this 
hold continues undiminished, 
there 'is no chance of makmg 
any genuine progress along 
the socialist path ... .It has 
been rightly said that at the 
bottom of the present liaison 
between the big business and 
the ruling party lies the re- 
gulatory and licensing proce- 
dures by means of which the 
government tries to control 
big business. This offers the 
meeting ground between the 
two and the result is that the 
big money wins and it ends 
up in big business controlling 
the government. Hence, to 
break this power of big busi- 
ness over the government, it 
is suggested that it would be 
advisable for the government 
to give up its eflorts to con- 
trol the big business . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Almost 
whole of your speech is made up of 
this article. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Then, 
the Monopoly Inquiry Committee Re- 
port says: 

“We are bound to mention here 
in this connection that the 
considerable assistance that 
some of the leading industria- 
lists in the country had given 
to the ruling party from time 
to time has furnished 
ammunition for the attack. 
The big business is hand in 
gloves with the party in 
power. The fact that such 
assistance has been liberally 
given at the time of the last 
General Elections has been 
admitted by the Government 
in a statement in parlia- 
ment. But people cannot be 
blamed if they believe that 
it is the hope of favours 
that induces such payment 
and after the.election is over, 
businessmen try their best to 
see that the ‘investment’ 
by them bring satisfactory 
return.” 


Enquiry Comm. (M) 

Three days ago is was revealed in 
the Rajya Sabha that ten big busi- 
ness houses, in the course of the 
last five years, had accumulated ex- 
tra wealth ranging between 25 and 
75 per cent. Mafatlal had made 75 
per cent in the course of five years. 
Now compare that with our indus- 
trial growth. When the industrial 
growth was next to nothing, how 
was these industrialists’ wealth swel- 
ling, wo want to ask them. It is 
perhaps because they have been al- 
lowed to siphon out their wealth 
that they generated from the indus- 
tries into the corridors of blind 
alley, and that is why we could not 
see them. 

Wanchoo Committee’s final report 
is a dictated report. I disagree with 
many of the things that they have 
said. The interim report which was 
written suo moto. on their own, with- 
out pressure, in fact, has been the 
real report. ‘Regulation of donations 
to political parties’, we do not agree. 

SHRI K N. TTWARY (Bettiah): 
On a point of order He is saying that 
the final report is dictated one. By 
this he is misleading the House Has 
he any proof? Without any proof, 
how can he say that? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This 
side of the House can contradict him. 
There is no point of order in this. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: “Allo- 
wance of certain business expenses — 
Entertainment Expenses and Expen- 
ses on Maintenance of Guest Houses” 
—we do not agree. ‘Reintroduction 
of Expenditure Tax’ — we disagree. 
These are things with which we do 
not quite agree. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul): Let 
him indicate the basis on which he 
feels that the final report was not 
written on the volition of the Com- 
mission and that only the interim 
report was written by them. Are 
there any inconsistencies? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is up 
to him. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am 
making the speech and not Mr. 
Salve ( Interruptions ) I want to ask 
the Government whv is it that they 
did not give remedies to plug the 



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loopholes ior generation of black 
money. You will not find them any- 
where in the final report because it 
was written under duress. 

I have a Memorandum which has 
been given by Class II ITOs. They 
have made very valuable sugges- 
tions: 

“It has been seen from experi- 
ence that mere lowering the 
effective rate of taxation 
failed to generate an atmos- 
phere in which the assessees 
would reveal their income 
truly and deliberately. If such 
would have been the case, 
Voluntary Disclosure Sche- 
mes could have been success- 
ful in bringing out the con- 
cealed income to tax net." 

Tt also says: 

“Though there is a proposal for 
capital levy at a very lower 
rate, the Committee while 
exhorting much on reduction 
of rate of taxation should 
have also put on record that 
the Corporate Sector, unlike 
the individuals, enjoys the 
immunity from incidence of 
Wealth Tax which is much 
higher on individuals than 
the proposed capital levy.” 

Such things have been said T go to 
the next point. 

“Thus it is envisaged that the 
Committee has recommended 
for (1) two types of functions 
and responsibilities but (2) 
prescribed three classes of 
officers, viz., Class II, Class 
I (Junior) and Class I (Se- 
nior) From this one may see 
how absurd and paradoxical 
the recommendations are. 
Firstly, when the iob and 
responsibility of Class I 
(Junior) and Class II officers 
is one and the same, why 
should there be two classes 
of officers? 

It is. needless to point out that 
the Committee has tried to 
draw an artificial class dis- 
tinction — a legacy of the oast 
and a colonial hangover." 

This is all that I want to sav in con- 
nection with this. Class II ITOs are 


the backbone of the revenue struc- 
ture, and, therefore, this discrimina- 
tion and injustice is very much un- 
warranted. 

The final report makes a mention 
of a very important thing. (Interrup- 
tions). 

“After detailed deliberations and 
careful consideration of the 
valuably suggestions offered 
by them, we are still fully 
convinced about the efficacy 
and feasibility of the mea- 
sures recommended by us in 
the interim report.” 

But what is the interim report? The 
final report is absolutely silent on 
that. On 12th November, 1970 the 
Wanchoo Committee had submitted 
an interim report. It was the most 
eventful day in this matter. But what 
happened? Shrimati Indira Gandhi 
was the Finance Minister at that 
time; she not only did not imple- 
ment the recommendations, but sup- 
pressed the whole thing. Even the 
Cabinet Ministers were kept in the 
dark because quite a few of them 
took copies from me; they did not 
know what was the interim report 
of the Wanchoo Committee. A team 
of officials consisting of two Secre- 
taries of the Ministry of Finance and 
the Reserve Bank Governor was sent 
to the Wanchoo Committee to pres- 
surize, to say. ‘Withdraw and des- 
troy the interim report’. The Com- 
mittee did not surrender to their 
pressure, but they accepted one re- 
quest that, in the final report, they 
would not make a mention of the 
contents of the interim report That 
is why. today, you see in the final 
report that there is no mention about 
the contents of the interim report. 

Mr. Y. B. Chavan. on 10th August, 
had said in this 'House:, 

“I will sav why we have not pub- 
lished the interim report. An 
interim report by nature is 
such that it can be publish- 
ed before the main report is 
published! Now when the 
main report is published, 
the interim report as such 
has lost its value.” 

These utterances are as baseless as 
the Finance Minister himself. Other- 
wise. clearly and categorically— I 
have just now quoted— how can he 



Ill IteporU AUGUST 

[Shn Jyotirmoy Bosu] 

say this? The Finance Minister had 
the courage to mislead the House by 
saying that the interim report had 
lost its value once the final report 
which contains very little has been 
published. 

AN HON. MEMBER: Which Fi- 
nance Minister do you refer to? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Mrs. 
Indira Gandhi primarily. There is 
only one Minister to my mind. . . 
(Interruptions). 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 
THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE 
(SHRI K. R. GANESH): He is mix- 
ing up the whole thing. He says he 
is intelligent. . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Let 
both of us go for IQ test and see. 

( Interruptions ) I had regards for Mr. 
Ganesh, and when some members 
talked about his arrogance, I tried 
to dispute it. But it is becoming too 
much at times. He is trying to carry 
coal to New Castle Let him not 
prove that he is too big for his boots. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: My point is 
this. Let him talk about the Prime 
Minister. But when he says that the 
Prime Minister was the Finance 
Minister when this report was sub- 
mitted, I am objecting to that. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He was 
referring to two things, when the re- 
port was submitted and what the 
present Finance Minister said . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; What 
Mr. Chavan said, I approve of, Sir. 
This is what the Final report says 
at page 12. I quote: 

“After detailed deliberations and 
careful, consideration of the 
valuable suggestions oldered 
by them, we are still fullv 
convinced about the efficacy 
and feasibility of the mea- 
sures recommended bv us in 
the interim report.” 

So. Sir, who will decide what is 
right and what is wrong? Who will 
decide what should be accepted and 
what should not be accepted? You 
talk about democracy. You were a 
garb of democracy. It reminds me of 
what our great leader Engel said 


26,1972 Dbre.it Taxes 112 

Enquiry Comm . (M) 

once. Here is the executive which is 
supreme. Democracy is nothing but 
a garb. Sir, this is August House and 
this morning I heard that our 
honourable Speaker was born in the 
month of August: Mr. S. M. Baner- 
jee was also born in the month of 
August, everything is August, but 
when it comes to taking a decision* 
formulating a policy, they are left 
to the executives This democracy is 
nothing but a garb, nothing but a 
misleading to the common man. I 
will quote this most precious docu- 
ment which they had given. I thank 
them for these recommendation^ 
made in their interim report. They 
said : 

“We decided therefore to address 
ourselves ...” 

Mark the date. 12th November, 1970; 
don’t lose sight of the date. . . 

“. . to the task of making an 
interim report on matters 
which called for urgent re- 
medial action and could not 
wait until our final report.” 
They did not realise that two elec- 
tions were coming and some- 
body wanted lot of money 
for them . • . Then they said : 

“One subject which we felt 
needed immediate attention 
was that of ‘black money’ as 
it has been eating into the 
vitals of our economy ” 

Then the report says about parallel 
economy Then it says: 

“After careful consideration we 
have come to the conclusion 
that some radical steps will 
have to be taken immediately 
if the problem is to be 
tackled effectively. In this 
interim report, we therefore, 
recommend the following 
three measures:— 

(1) Demonetisation; 

(2) Ceiling on cash holdings; 
and 

(3) Acquisition of immovable 
property in case of under- 
statement of purchase con- 
sideration.” 



1J3 


114 


Re jxrrt. of 


Then the report says. I quote: 

“We, therefore, suggest, that al- 
though the last two mea- 
sures are meant to be of a 
permanent nature, they 
should be brought on the 
statute book without undue 
delay.” 

So, Sir, the primary recommenda- 
tion on the 12th of November 1970 
by this high-powered and eminent 
committee was, immediate demoneti- 
sation. Sir, Mrs. Gandhi survives on 
black-money; her politics lives on 
black-money Therefore, the report 
was not only implemented but 
it was suppressed for an year and a 
half. In the interim report they said : 

“We felt that it would be only 
appropriate if, subject to 
adequate safeguards, the De- 
monetisation measures is 
utilised also to collect at 
least nart of the arrears of 
tax that mav be due from 
those who tender the demo- 
netised notes for exchange.” 

Then it is stated: 

“That first question that needs 
consideration is the deno- 
minations of the currency 
notes which should be de- 
monetised. It is understood 
that the break-up of the 
notes issued, as at the end 
of June, 1970, was as follows 


SHRI C M STEPHEN (Muvattu- 
puzha) : I rise on a point of order. 
The House is considering the final 
report of the Direct Taxes Enquiry 
Committee laid on the Table of the 
House on the 20th of March, 1972. 
That document is now before us. 
My learned friend is dwelling at 
length on some other document, that 
is, the interim report. He is making, 
lot of allegations also. All I ask for 
is, his speech on the introduction of 
the motion has got to be relevant to 
the document which we are to dis- 
cuss. I am only pointing out this; 
thing because no observation is made 1 
by hon Member with respect to 
any of the observations in the final 


b imcl lazes 
Enquiry Comm • (M) 

report or its recommendations. Ho 
makes all sorts of allegations. We on 
this side were keeping quiet in spite 
of the wild allegations he made that 
the Prime Minister is existing on 
black money and all that in the hope 
that the Member would be called 
to order I am only requesting that 
the Member must be directed to be 
relevant, discussing the mater which 
is in the final report, not in the in- 
terim report ( Interruptions ). 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order 
please. Let me understand him first 
you have understood his point of or- 
der. I have not. Please sit down. 
Mr. Banerjee- I have not replied. I 
am trying to seek clarification from 
him. I am not replying, order please. 
What is the point of order; what is 
it that you want? ( Interruptions ). 
Mr. Salve, if his point of order and 
not yours 

SHRI C M. STEPHEN : The point 
of order is this. Sir, that the speech 
has got to be relevant in this sense 
that it must pertain to the specific 
document which is mentioned here 


MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No, if 
it is just a general question of rele- 
vancy, it is rather difficult to contain 
that, but if you jhave any specific 
thing whore he is irrelevant, then 
only I can give my opinion on that. 


SHRI C M STEPHEN: May I ex- 
plain it. Sir? The point is this- My 
learned friend has now specifically 
quoted the interim report and he is 
proceeding to speak on the interim 
report. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now I 
understand it. Your point is that the 
interim report here is irrelevant; 
that is your point. That is your main 
contention . 

SHRI C. M STEPHEN: Yes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, 
the difficulty is that the final report 
itself has made mention of the in- 
terim report. That is the difficulty. 
(Inici ruptions) I have given my 
ruling. 


BHADRA 4, 1894 (SARA) 



115 RepoQof AUGUST 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, 
how much time is wasted by this 
frivolous point &i order, you may 
kindly see. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH : Sir, I have 
one submission. In the notice that 
the hon. Member gave and also in 
the submission he made here, he re- 
ferred to two Financf Ministers. He 
is trying to bring . . . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You 
made that point be.fore, I know . . . 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: It is very 
important. Sir. He is referring to the 
Prime Minister having prevented the 
publication of this report and having 
sent some officers and all that. The 
Prime Minister was not the Finance 
Minister when the interim report 
was submitted. This is all that I 
want to sav. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: That, 
in fact, amounts to adding fuel to 
the fire Is there any Member in this 
honourable House who would dis- 
pute the fact that in Government of 
India since the middle of 1969 there 
is more than one Minister 7 In the 
ruling patty is there more than one 
leader? And, decision had to be 
taken by. (Interruptions). 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order 
please. The main point is this. The 
hon. Minister’s contention is that the 
Prime Minister was not the Finance 
Minister at the time when this in- 
terim report was alleged to have 
been sent to the Government. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I 
maintain this. Sir. Let it go on re- 
cord — I maintain that honourable 
Shrimati Indira Gandhi the Prime 
Minister and once upon time, the 
Finance Minister was wholly respon- 
sible for suppressing this report. I 
am putting it on record. Mr. Ganesh, 
while giving his reply, may reply 
to my point. I am pointing out what 
this important learned body has 
said : 

“We are fully aware of the not 
too successful results of de- 
monetisation in 1949; yet we 
are confident that this mea- 
sure, if introduced now 


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Enquiry Oomm. (M) 

would achieve substantial re- 
sults because of altered cir- 
cumstances." 

It says: 

“It incorporates a number of safe- 
guards such as imposition of 
ceiling on cash-holdings, 
stamping and signing of 
books of accounts and prompt 
examination of declarations 
by the Income-tax Depart- 
ment." 

It savs further: 

“The first question that needs 
our consideration is the de- 
monetisation of the currency 
notes which should be de- 
monetised. It is understood 
that the break-up of the' 
figures . ■ ”. 

The bulk of the currency ifi in 
Rs Ififi-notcs and Rs. 10-notes. 

Mil DEPUTY-SPEAKER: My 
difficulty is that most of the hon. 
Member’s speech is made up of 
quotations which are lengthy. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; I al- 
ways like to use their own stick to 
hit them with. Tha.t is my way of 
doing things. 

I would not take much time now, 
because I have more or less deliver- 
ed what was in my pocket. Now, I 
come to Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan. 
We saw the Delhi press coming out 
with a lead article ‘Government de- 
cided on imposition of ceiling on 
possession of cash to the tune of 
Rs. 5,000’. That was the indication 
that Government gave When the 
pressure was too severe, public opi- 
nion started forming. The country 
has known what the Government 
have done with this vital recommen- 
dation, and how they have played 
fool with the Parliament and the 
people They immediately came with 
a shock-absorber. The entire Press 
Information Bureau was mobilised to 
give a story which would act as a 
buffer- So, this came out. But Shri 
Yeshwant’-ao Chavan could not even 
bear that. Soon. He somersaulted and 
said that too could not be done. 



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Enquiry Comm . (M) 


1 now say in view of what I have 
stated already today and on previous 
occasions that the country demands 
that the interim report of the Wan- 
choo Committee must be implement- 
ed in toto; there should be ceiling 
on cash, possession of cash, jwellery 
and other precious items. Therei 
should be screening of lockers and 
vaults and for each bank account, 
where there is more than a certain 
amount of money, it must be tagged 
with the income-tax number that 
has been given. The entire operation 
should be simultaneously conducted 
on one single day. I can assure the 
Government that if they really wish 
to take the bull by the horn, there 
is no way out to take drastic mea- 
sures and save this country from a 
complete peril, instead of looking 
after their political, coterie and 
party interests to remain entrench- 
ed in power. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion 
moved : 

“That this House do consider 
the Final Report of the 
Direct Taxes Enquiry Com- 
mittee, laid on the Table of 
the House on the 20th March, 
1972:’ 

DR V K R VARADARAJA RAO 
(Bellaiy): I do not know if 1 really 
could go into all the political pole- 
mics which my hon friend Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu has indulged fn. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: It is 
because of his Prime Minister. 

DR. V- K R, VARADARAJA 
RAO: I am really surprised that 
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu should speak 
of the Prime Minister all the time; 
the Prime Minister seems to be so 
much fixed on his mind that every 
time anything is mentioned, he feels 
he must come back to the Prime 
Minister. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BCkSU: Who 
else is- there? 

DR. KAILAS (Bombay South): He 
is allergic to her. 

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: I am prepared to suggest to 
the Prime Minister tha* the Prime 


Minister may give him an interview 
so that he could tell her all that he 
has to tell her about her and then 
stop talking about her in this House. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But 
I have not sought an interview; I 
may not have the desire to have an 
interview with her. 

DR. V. K. B R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: I only want to say that what 
I was really expecting, since Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu, of course, is a very 
distinguished member of the Com- 
munist Party-Marxist., and leader of 
one of the Opposition groups, I be- 
lieve, was this. I thought that he 
was also a student of economics and 
has had practical experience of eco- 
nomic affairs. I was expecting, there- 
fore, when he initiated the discus- 
sion on this motion, while, of course., 
he would spent a little time on his 
political an^le, which was natural, 
he would spent at least some time 
on the more important economic as- 
pects of the Wanchdo Committee’s 
report I am really sorry that he has 
not chosen to do so. 

The main point that he has made 
is about demonetisation He has left 
out everything else and he has pick- 
ed out only this recommendation 
from what he calls the interim re- 
port. There is no doubt that the 
Wanchoo Committee has in its final 
report reiterated its adherence to its 
previous interim report. Shri Jyotir- 
moy Bosu has from some source 
known to himself got a copy of the 
alleged interim report and I think 
he has placed it on the Table of the 
House and he has been quoting from 
that in extenso and has made a plea 

for immediate demonetisation. 

• 

I would like to suggest to this 
House that demonetisation is not a 
remedy which one can take up in a 
lighthearted fashion Further, that 
is not the kind of remedy which is 
taken up on the recommendation of 
a committee consisting of officials, 
non-officials and so on Demonetisa- 
tion is a kind of decision, if and 
when it comes, which will be taken 
by Government only on the basis of 
the thinking and advice confined 
within the precincts of Government, 



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[Dr. V K.R. Varadaraja Rao] 

which are subject to all the various 
secrecy and other clauses which gov- 
ern the functions of such Government 
officials and Ministers. If, for exam- 
ple, there was some kind of hyper- 
inflation that the country had where 
we would have to change the cur- 
rency, by all means, one could have 
demonetisation. * 

We had demonetisation some time 
back. But that related to Rs. 1000 j 
notes- I believe we arc all aware of 
what happened at that time. I at 
least happened to be a resident of 
Delhi city at that time. Even the de- 
monetisation of Rs. 1000-notes creat- 
ed a considerable amount of confu- 
sion in the market. Rs. 1000-notes are 
usually held by a very small num- 
ber of people, may be, the kind of 
people that Shri Jyotirmov Bosu 
is showing such a verbal aversion 
for. But the kind of demonetisation 
which he has asked for, quoting 
from the alleged report, is not only 
for Rs 100-notes but for Rs. 10-notes. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; They 
have given the statistics also. 

DR. V K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: It is not a question of statis- 
tics I would like to submit that we 
should remember that we all repre-i 
sent the country. After all, we are 
a responsible House. We represent! 
large numbers of people from all 
parts of the country. Demonetisation 
of Rs. 100-notes is bad enough- But 
according to what he has stated, and 
according to the document that has 
been placed on the Table of the 
House, demonetisation of Rs. 100- 
notes will not do. It is a package 
deal. It has got to ,be Rs. 100-notes 
plus Rs. 10-notes. 

If Rs. 10-notes are to be demone- 
tised, I do not think that it is neces- 
sary for me to elaborate in any 
length on the numbers of people who 
will be affected all over the country. 
It will not affect just the black- 
marketeers, caoitalists and political 
contribution-wallahs, to whichever 
party they may make contributions, 
hut it will affect large numbers of 
peasants, of industrial workers, of 


Direct Ta$es 
Enquiry Comm. (M) 

primary school teachers, of ordinary 
labourers and so on . . . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU:- They, 
will be hoarding black money? 

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: 1 hope Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 
would not like to be quoted outside 
this House as suggesting that every- 
body who holds a Rs. 10 note is a 
hoarder of black money . • . 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: But 
how much 7 A primary school tea- 
cher cannot think of it. 

DR V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: 1 think that my hon. friend, 
if he wants, can be reasonable. I 
would request him not to interrupt, 
and 1 am sure he will respect my 
request. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I 
would 

1)R V. K. R VARADARAJA 
RAO: I am not at the moment 
going into the economics of demone- 
tisation as such. But the question is 
one of demonetisation of Rs. 10-notes. 
Somebody was asking by way of in- 
terjection why the interim report 
was not published. First of all. I 
was rather shocked that an interim 
report of that kind should have been 
submitted by them- I do not know 
what the terms of reference were 
which made possible such a recom- 
mendation to be made. But in any 
case a recommendation of this type 
is usually made very secretly and 
once the recommendation is made, if 
it is accepted and it is immediately 
executed, there is no long time-inter- 
val between the two. 

Demonetisation is something like 
devaluation. You do not have official 
committees recommending devalua- 
tion and afterwards Government con- 
sidering it and then coming forward 
with devaluation. If I may sav so. 
the interim report must not have 
been released, because there was no 
intention of accepting that .particular 
recommendation But to come back 
to mv main eoint regarding demone- 
tisation of Rs. 10-notes. I suggest 
that, if that is done, confusion will 



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be caused in the economy, and all 
the villages will be affected. Out of 
the 500,000 villages, there would at 
least be 300,000 to 350,000 villages, 
where some people will have Rs. 10- 
notes. I do not want to elaborate on 
the nature of the people who will be 
having such Rs. 10-notes, such as 
petty shopkeepers and others. Of 
course, you may say that immediate- 
ly they will get substitute notes and 
they can go to a bank. But how 
many banks are there in the villages, 
with all this nationalisation and 
everything else? I think there are 
only about 10,000 branches including 
the ones that have recently been 
opened The people who were hold- 
ing Rs. 1000-notes at least knew 
something about currency, but take 
the case of the common man who 
may hold Rs. 10-notes; if that gets 
demonetised, consider the amount of 
confusion and loss of confidence in 
the currency and the kind of break- 
down in the economy that would 
take place at a time such as we are 
facing in the country’s economy to- 
day, which would be most nndesir-i 
able, from the point of view of the 
safeguarding of the economy. 

So I would strongly resist the re- 
commendation that there should be 
demonetisation of one hundred and 
ten rupee notes and any demoneti- 
sation of anything lose than that will 
not serve the purpose for which de- 
monetisation was intended bv the 
person who has recommended it 

Then I would also like to point out 
one thing One seems to be under* 
the impression that black money 
iust stavs somewhere staying con- 
stant . Rs 5.000 crorcs, Rs. 6,000 
crores, Rs 7.000 crorcs of black 
monev Black monev transactions 
could have been in terms of these 
thousands of crores of rupees. But 
a great deal of this black money has 
now become either solidified into 
bnildin" land, iewdlerv. gold etc. 

etp or transformed info white money 

ip manv eases. Therefore, it seems 
te mo that iust hv saving that this 
demonetisation is hict to hold 
nf seme ouantitv of unauthorised 
m^n«v for the nurnose nf nrpyenting 
black money and preventing all the 


scries of effects that black money is 
having on the economy is like using 
a kind of axe to try and kill a fly 
on one’s nose. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Rs. 
7,500 crores. 

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: Shri Bosu has allowed him- 
self to interrupt me and say Rs. 7,000 
crores. I am prepared to take a bet 
— silly on mv part; but I am prepar- 
ed to be silly — that Rs. 7,000 crores 
will not be the unclaimed money. 
How do you account for the black 
money? Black money will be when 
the notes are not claimed. They are 
not claimed because of the conse- 
quences that will follow- Now where 
do vou have Rs. 7,000 crores? The 
total volume of currency in circula- 
tion is not 7,000 crores. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I said 
black wealth. 

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: He was talking of black 
money and demonetisation. Now he 
talks of black wealth, which is some- 
thing quite different. We are talk- 
ing of demonetisation and black 
currency 

Therefore, I would most respects 
fully suggest that demonetisation on 
the scale— and the only possible 
scale on which it can have any effect 
—which he has suggested would be 
very deleterious to the interests of 
the economy, will not serve the pur- 
pose for which it is intended and 
will, on the contrary, cause a great 
deal of upset to the entire working 
of the economic structure, and this 
too at a time when we cannot afford 
to have such interruptions to the 
smooth recover^ of the # economy. 

At the same time, L do not want) 
to ignore the phenomenon. There is 
the fact of black monev operating. 
We know a number of things are 
bought in terms of accountable 
monev accompanied bv what is call- 
ed unaccountable monev. I would 
lik* to descend from polemics and 
get down to some constructive sug- 
gestions— what T hope to be cons- 
tructive suggestions — for the consi- 
deration of Government in relation to 



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Report of 

[Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao]. 

the Wanchoo .Committee Report. 1 
would mafiie a series of suggestions. 
First, I want to deal with that the 
suggestion made by Shri Bosu, 
based on what he calls the interim 
report, for a ceiling on cash hold- 
ings. Quite honestly, I do not un- 
derstand how it isj| possible to en- 
force a ceiling on cash holdings. 
To have a ceiling on cash holdings 
means that every person becomes 
suspect. It is not a question of 
raiding A, B, C or D. I do not think 
> a ceiling on cash holdings is a 
remedy for blackmarketing or for 
preventing the use of currency for 
purposes other than legitimate. What 
I would like to suggest is that what 
we want is to stop payments in cash 
over a certain minimum amount. 
Because the root of the black money 
comes when you pay in cash for 
something for which you need not 
pay in cash. You have to pay in 
cash for things worth Rs 10, Rs. 20, 
Rs. 40, Rs. 50, Rs. 90, Rs. 100. But 
when you have to buy a car for 
Rs. 25,000, you do not have to pay in 
cash; when you have to buy a refri- 
gerator for Rs. 2,500, you do not have 
to pay in cash. And if I may say so. 
if you buy an airlines ticket, it will 
not be necessary for you to pay for! 
that in cash. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): 
Find out from Indian Airlines. 

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: I do not know what Shri 
Piloo Mody docs with his airline 
ticket; I am not referring to him; 
I can assure him I was certainly not 
referring to MPs. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: They want 
nothing but cash. 

DR. V. K. R VARADARAJA 
RAO: I am coming to that. 

When you go into the root of it, 
it is not a question a ceiling on cash 
holding. The root of it cotmes when 
you pay in cash for what need not 
have been paid in cash. And almost 
by definition vou should pav in cash 
for only small amounts. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What 
if tiie cheques bounce? 


Direct Taxes Enquiry 12 1 
Committee {M) 

DR. V- K. R VARADARAJA 
RAO; I know the danger of cheques 
bouncing. I just wanted to establish 
this principle that the most effec- 
tive way of countering black money 
m this country is by seeing if we 
can devise some practical methods 
of seeing that payments in cash, 
where payments can be made by 
cheques, are stopped. 1 would go fur- 
ther and say that payments in cash 
should only be made for small 
transactions where the amount is in 
terms of three figures and certainly 
not in terms of four figures. 

Now comes the question: how do 
we enforce it? As for the question 
which you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker put, 
I have been racking my brain to find 
an answer. I db not think I have 
got the correct answer, but from 
the limited wisdom I have or imay 
not have, 1 would like to make this 
suggestion. 1 would say that, first of 
all, in manv cases cheques are ac- 
cepted where the person is known. 
A person who is walking in the 
street, who is not known to anybody, 
cannot go and buy a car without 
cash. But if I give a cheque, it will 
be accepted. Of course, I agree that 
in our country people are more re- 
luctant to accept a cheque than in 
a country like England. May be 
cheques bounce more m this coun- 
try or mav be we are more distrust- 
ful of each other than is the case 
in other countries — whatever be the 
reason But I would certainly say 
that wherever cheque payments can 
be made, they should be made in 
cheques and not in cash payments. 
16 hrs. 

Then the question comes: what 
happens if the man is not known, 
whore the identity of the man is 
not certain, where if you take a 
cheque there 'is a possibility of its 
bouncing? Here I want to make a 
suggestion which I hope the Finance 
Minister will examine — he mav 
throw it out as nonsensical, but I 
hope he will find some practical 
sense in it. Is it not possible for us 
to have something in between an 
unlimited, unrestricted on-sight legal 
tender which requires no signature, 
no endorsement, which just by pass- 
ing from one hand to another com- 



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plctes the legality of payment, and 
cheque payment, an intermediate 
between a cheque and an unlimited 
legal tender? Can we not have some- 
thing like a sight cheque? 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE (Betul): 
Traveller’s cheque- 

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: Or traveller’s cheque, where 
it is possible for anybody who 
wants to buy a costly thing by pay- 
ing in an intermediate currency 
which is neither a cheque nor on- 
sight legal tender. I suggest this is 
the thing which will break the black 
market in this country which is not 
going to be broken by penalties and 
so on, because the people who in- 
dulge in black money transactions 
arc not afraid of penalties. 

SHRI N K P. SALVE: Not nego- 
tiable. 

DR. V. K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO- We have got to devise a 
technical contrivance which will pre- 
vent them from operating black 
transactions 

T would suggest this for the consi- 
deration of members, as a student of 
economics and I sav that it is possi- 
ble to devise a kind of currency 
which is not a currency in the full 
sense of the term, which at the same 
time does not carrv all the limita- 
tions which a cheque carries with it. 
This will be like traveller’s cheques 
for Rs 5,000. Rs. 10,000, Rs- 20,000 
whatever it is The only condition 
would be that T have got to give my 
name, address and occupation before 
I get this money. 

SHRI N K, P. SALVE : Will it be 
negotiable? 

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA 
RAO : Traveller’s cheque, sight 

cheque or intermediate currency, 
whatever may be the name, if it 
comes to be accepted, when it is 
paid, there must also be a signature 
of the person who pavs it, so that 
'omebodv will know that this has 
been paid, somebody will know who 
has bought it for the Purposes of 
oavment, 


It seems to me if we can control 
this cash business, these ush trans- 
actions— black money really means 
cash transactions; if there is no cash, 
there will be no black money 
transaction — we can tackle this eviL 
The root of the evil is the preva- 
lence of cash transactions on a large 
scale. I just throw out this sugges- 
tion. I am not an expert in all these 
matters. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You 

are. 

DR. V- K. R. VARADARAJA 
RAO: I thank you. But not an ex- 
pert in black marketing! Sir. I would 
suggest, therefore, that this is one 
way and we can work out the de- 
tails and work out all the various 
implications and so on. But I would 
seriously and most earnestly suggest 
that the best way of attacking black 
money is to find some method by 
which you can minimise cash pay- 
ments. Why do we pay the airlines 
by cash 7 Why do we pay for so 
many goods bv cash? I go to the 
length of saying, why should we 
pav, if we go to stay in the Ashoka 
Hotel, in cash, and spend Rs. 2,000 
or Rs. 3,000 or Rs. 5,000? Whv should 
I pav it in cash? Why can’t I have 
this kind of intermediate document 
between cash and the other thing? 
Anv difficulties that this may pre- 
sent can be worked out and we can 
come to solutions which will be of 
enormous benefit to the country. 

The second suggestion which, I 
believe, has been accepted by the 
Government., is the right to purchase. 
We know a great deal of black 
monev has gone into property,— re- 
gistered price, cash price, *under the 
counter and so on. We say the Gov- 
ernment will take over the property 
and has a right to buy the property. 
I would only suggest for the consi- 
deration of the House that this right 
given to Government to buy the pro- 
perty at the registered price will not 
solve the problem of the conversion 
of black money into property, I do 
not think this is going to be exer- 
cised verv readily, and if and when 
it is exercised there will be so many 



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[Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao]- 
things which will come in the way. 
It is not going to be an effective de- 
terrent at all. What I would like, 
therefore, to suggest is that all sales 
of property should be a matter of 
public information. There should be 
a regular gazette from every State 
or every big area, so that all sales 
of property— house number so and 
so, so and so, belonging to so and 
so and sold to so and so and at such 
a price at which it was registered — 
could be known and this information 
should be made public. Because, the 
public will be much more anxious to 
catch the fellow. I say it with due 
respect to mv friends on the Trea- 
sury Benches. I do not blame them 
for it, because they are also victims 
of the machine So, the public will 
be much more interested in finding 
out these people than the official 
machinery that is entrusted with 
this particular task. It can be pub- 
lished If you do not want to pub- 
lish it. it should be possible to be 
referred to in other ways. For ex- 
ample, we have got the ioint stock 
companies, in respect of which if 
vou pay one rupee to a public office, 
you can get all the details and see 
the documents. So. any member of 
the public can go there and see. Re- 
search people can go there; research 
analysts can go there and see, and 
have a look at the property deed; 
make a studv of *them and indicate 
which are the kinds of property 
where there is obviously some kind 
of hocus pocus- Tt seems to me that 
unless some such thing is done, it 
will be difficult. You can indeed 
specify the persons among the gene- 
ral public; say, accountants, or law- 
yers. Unless the public is allowed to 
raise this question, merely to say 
that the Government has the right 
to repurchase it at the declared 
value is not, I think going to solve 
the problem at all. I would sug- 
gest that instead of having this kind 
of futile provision, it is far better 
to have a provision like this, which 
will also involve the general public 
’o seeing that black market does not 
flourish at all. 

The third suggestion is about 
strengthening of the income-tax ad- 


ministration. I believe the Wanchoo 
Committee have made this recom- 
mendation and I would like to un- 
derscore it. Have industrial specia- 
lists and trade specialists. At the 
moment, as a matter of fact, the 
cost of production is so shown that 
things are put in as expenses which 
are not expenses. We only talk ot 
entertainment allowances, and guest- 
house and so on, there are expenses 
on transport; expenses by way of 
TA; purchase of commodities, pur- 
chase of raw materials, payment of 
commission, etc. There are so many 
ways and means by which the busi- 
nessman knows how to conceal ille- 
gitimate expenditure under a legiti- 
mate garb and get it accepted by the 
income-tax authorities as part of ad- 
missible cost of production, and 
thereby get the money for illegiti- 
mate purposes It seems to me that 
this is not a matter that can only 
be dealt with by the income-tax offi- 
cer with all the training that he 
may get. And that is why, I believe, 
the Wanchoo Committee have made 
the recommendation, and I would 
like to support and get it strengthen- 
ed There should be industrial and 
trade specialists who would be spe- 
cialists in analysing May be, we 
should get a chartered accountant 
who is a specialist in industry; a 
chartered accountant who knows 
about the textile business; a charter- 
ed accountant who knows about 
drugs and pharmaceuticals business, 
a chartered accountant who knows 
about the sugar business. Like that, 
I think we have to get experts who 
will then be able to determine the 
norms of expenditure. So, broadly, 
one can sav, if the statistics are on 
the table, what is wrong with the 
things, because, normally if we have 
been doing the subject for a long 
time, you have a sense of propor- 
tion, a sense of magnitude, and if 
something does not fit in immediate- 
ly, you raise your eye-brows and 
start working on it. and you mav 
find yourself wrong or right at the 
end Similarly, some kinds of norms 
have got to be there for all the diffe- 
rent types of expenditure: in build- 
ing up these norms, the application 
of these norms, the creation of spe- 



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cialists machinery of this kind will 
go a long way to deal with the prob- 
lem of generation of black money. 

It may cost, I think, Rs. 25 lakhs 
or Rs. 30 lakhs or Rs. 50 lakhs. But 
certainly it is not going to cost more 
than a crore of rupees. But 1 do 
suggest this is another way of stop- 
ping the generation of black money. 

Now I shall go a little faster. I 
thought I should not brush it aside, 
fortunately, thanks to Mr. Jyotirmoy 
Bosu's political convictions! (Inter- 
ruptions). He did not say anything 
about reducing the taxation for the 
purpose of preventing black money. 

I would suggest that reducing the 
rate of taxation is not going to have 
any effect at all on tax evasion, and 
therefore, on the creation of black 
money. (Interruptions). I hear a 
whisper from my very distinguished 
hon. Member behind me saying it is 
not so I do not know- As far as I 
know, if somebody were to say that 
the imposition of 95 per cent margi- 
nal rate of taxation will prevent a 
man from earning a particular slab 
above the margin., because he will 
only get five per cent thereof, I can 
understand As a matter of fact, — I 
was thinking in my mind, but I have 
not worked it out — how many in- 
comes are really made by slabs, and 
how much time and how much effort 
do they exercise whether ‘I can make 
my next Rs 5.000 or not make the 
next Rs. 5.000’’ As far as I can see, 
this can be done bv doctors and law- 
yers only I think it is very difficult 
for business people to do it. In their 
case, the slabs may not go into the 
kind of slabs that the income-tax 
authorities make. Therefore, honest- 
ly, I do not see any economic justi- 
fication for suggesting that if you re- 
duce the rate of taxation, this can be 
achieved. Tf you say that you should 
reduce it from 95 to 20 or 10. there 
can be some meaning in it, but by 
reducing it from 95 to 75 it is not 
going to make all the dishonest fel- 
lows to become honest now. T think 
it is not a legitimate expectation at 
all. ft has no foundation at all in 
economic analysis, and I suggest 
that that particular recommendation 
of the Wanchoo Committee should 


definitely not be accepted by the 
Government, apart from the so-call- 
ed recommendations about demone- 
tisation. 

The next important point is about 
controls. It is not only tax evasion. 
If vou were to ask me, the most im- 
portant reason for black money is 
control, or licence. I am afraid I 
have not made a study of licences, 
but I am told that today you have 
got to take a licence for almost any- 
thing. Only, I do not think we 
should take a licence for making 
speeches in this House except, of 
course, with the favour of the Chief 
Whip of the party concerned and the 
favour of the Deputy-Speaker or the 
Chairman who happens to be in the 
Chair ( Interruptions ). But the licen- 
ces, I refer to, are of a different 
character I find that if one wants to 
have spindles in the textile industry, 
if one wants to extend the textile 
industry, one should have a licence; 
if you want to have 50 more spindles, 
or a little raw material, anything, 
there has to be a licence- 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Stain- 
less steel. 

DR. V. K R. VARADARAJA 
RAO : Well, he is very familiar with 
all those various fields in which 
these licences are given. Why and 
how, T do not know But these licen- 
ces become bad when it is a question 
of shortage of economy, and the 
Wanchoo Committee have suggested 
a committee to be appointed to go 
into this question of licences I want 
very strongly to endorse this view. 
We have been going on with licences 
for the last 15 years. We have not 
so far really found out a rationale, 
nor have we examined what has led 
to these licences, how far it has re- 
sulted in the plan Driorities being 
accepted and how far it has led to 
the production and distribution that 
we wanted and what are the conse- 
auences of licensing. There is no 
doubt that licensing has led to de- 
ter oration in character and the 
growth of black money. Everybody 
know* that. But all the other things, 
we do not know. I suggest very 
strongly that the Government should 



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Reportvf AUGUST 

[Dr. V.K.R. Varadaraja Rao]. 

take a decision. They need not take 
a lot of time. After all, they have 
accepted certain recommendations 
like the account number and so on. 
They do not have to say that we can 
only take a decision on the report as 
a whole. They have already taken 
a decision on certain recommenda- 
tions of the Committee. I would say 
that this particular recommendation 
is most important from the point of 
view of dealing with the phenome- 
non of black money. In the meanwhile 
I suggest to the Ministry of Finance 
and other concerned Ministries : Let 
them take a sample of the licences 
and investigate them, if a licence is 
given to A, how he has used it. Do 
we follow up that licence? We give 
so much cement, what has he done 
with it; We give him so much pig iron 
or steel, has he used that? Have we 
asked the men who get licences 
what they have done with that 
licence? Such a sample investiga- 
tion is of great importance; it should 
be taken up at once and a thorough- 
ly competent expert objective inves- 
tigation of the whole system of 
licences should be made. 

Further. I should like to know 
whether traders in durable commo- 
dities are licensed. Jewellers or dea- 
lers in gold ornaments dealers in 
houses, cars etc. What are we doing 
with them? Have you got any con- 
trol over them? Do they make any 
returns’ These are some of the ways 
by which black money gets convert- 
ed into white wealth . . . (Interrup- 
tions). If you licence them, you can 
get some return and control. This 
may not be liked by everybody. 

« 

We should get returns from our big 
tourist hotels. I am all for tourism. 
But it will be interesting to find out 
how much of the money is being 
spent in these big tourist hotels by 
foreigners who bring foreign ex- 
change and how much is spent by 
Indian businessmen, their friends 
and others. I think out of the most 
important avenues for the expendi- 
ture of black money is the big 
hotels, expensive cabarets and the 
big restaurants in the country, 


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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: They 
will not give you a ticket next time. 

DR. V. K. R VARADARAJA 
RAO: I think it would be desirable 
to have some kind of control of 
know who are the people who give 
the parties there and what are the 
returns- Anybody spends more than 
100 or 200, let there be a return of 
such people in these hotels. 

Now. regarding tax arrears, an- 
other important part of the problem. 
I am all admiration for the work the 
Wanchoo Committee have done. I 
hope the Government will not wait 
for long to accept the recommenda- 
tion for the creation of a special 
body to deal with the question of 
arrears. Tax arrears are bad for the 
morale of the Government, morale 
of the honest tax payers and also 
bad for the income-tax payer, even 
for those who have not paid their* 
taxes. Special machinery should be 
created; without any .further speech 
I should like to support that sugges- 
tion in toto and I want Government 
action in regard to that immediate- 
ly 

I have to say something about 
clubbing. There was a lot of discus- 
sion and some minutes of dissent 
also on this question whether a hus- 
band, wife and minor children 
should all be clubbed together. I do 
not have the time to elaborate my 
argument; you have been patient 
with me; I am not in favour of club- 
bing the income of the husband, 
wife and minor children without any 
qualification. The income of minor 
children should certainly be clubbed 
with that of the income-tax payer. 
I do not see the point of minor child- 
ren having an income. What are the 
minor children to do with that in- 
come? The income is safeguarded, 
the corpus is safeguarded. 

What is the purpose of gifting pro- 
perty to minor children? You gift to 
mv minor children and I gift to 
vour minor children. Minor children 
have no right to have non-taxable 
income from that property; the in- 
come from that property should be 
taxed. You may not tax the wealth; 
I am not suggesting wealth tax. But 



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all income from the property of 
minor children should be clubbed 
with the income of the head of the 
family and taxed. 

When it comes to wife, I suggest 
that we have to make a distinction 
between an earning wife and a wile 
who is not earning. It is not only 
because of sentiment. In the latest 
employment review which was circu- 
lated to Parliament two days ago 
you will find the problem of educat- 
ed women unemployed is becoming 
sharper, acuter than even the prob- 
lem of educated men’s unemploy- 
ment. Honestly, I am terrified what 
will happen if a large number of 
women educated unemployed started 
marches and processions and other 
things because it is much more diffi- 
cult to handle them than the educat- 
ed men unemployed- Some distinc- 
tion should be drawn between 
women workers who are wives and 
women wives who are not workers. 
These are matters of detail. 

About trusts, who do wc not have 
a directory of trusts 4 ' I have seen 
many times a huge publication of 
10,000 ioint stock companies in India; 
it is published once in two years, I 
have seen lists of large industrial es- 
tablishments, 5.000 names, two 
volumes What is there to prevent 
us from having a directory of all the 
trusts in this country 4 ' There are 
charitable religious medical and edu- 
cational and other trusts Let us 
know their names, the members of 
their governing bodies, and so on 
Every one of them should get its 
accounts audited. There is no doubt 
that trusts constitute another way 
through which black money grows 
and tax evasion takes place. It is 
simple and it should not take much 
time for Government to accept it. 

There is one more suggestion and 
I do not know whether it is good 
for me as a member of a political 
party to make that suggestion but if 
one fe'els impelled to make the sug- 
gestion, I feel one should do so. All 
political parties should be registered. 
No political party should function in 
secret. We should know who the 
members of a political party are; we 


should know who their office bearers 
are, what their funds are, etc. All 
political parties should be in the 
nature of trusts because they are 
trustees for the people and they go 
before the country in the name of 
their parties and get elected and 
sometimes run the Government and 
sometimes run the opposition; it 
makes no difference to me. I think 
it is very important to see that for 
the working of democracy as well as 
prevent any temptation that may be 
there— people with black money 
may tempt political parties, that in- 
cludes all political parties— I think 
it is very important that all politi- 
cal parties should be registered and 
we should know; there should be 
open lists and registers showing who 
the members are, who the office 
bearers ate and what are their pro- 
cedure for election, what is their 
constitution etc , as we do under the 
Societies Registration Act of 1860 
and their accounts should be audited 
and there should be annual reports. 
If some such thing is done it will 
go a long way to bring back health 
to our economy and polity and also 
check many other things that are 
happening in this country. 

I am finishing with one last sug- 
gestion. I should like to add my 
voice to the need for treating the 
income-tax department officers a 
little better than we were treating 
them hitherto. I do not know what 
their status is, 1 do not know whe- 
ther they have the same status as 
members of the Indian Administra- 
tive Service; I do not know whether 
they have the same promotional 
prospects as members of the now be- 
coming’ extinct ICS or the upcoming 
IAS If I can think of any job which 
is the most important, it is this job* 
It is not merely law and order which 
is most important in our country. 
Many law and order problems are 
connected with the solution or non- 
solution of economic problems like 
mobilisation of resources and so on. 
The Government should make a de 
novo examination of the entire cadre 
or income-tax officers, their promo- 
tions and their prospects and other 
things and see to it that they a» 



185 Report of AUGUriT 26, 1972 Direct lams Enquiry 136 


[Dr. V.K.R. Vfcfadaraja Rao]. 

given a sufficiently strong position 
and sufficient incentives so that they 
can function honestly and courage- 
ously in the best interests of the 
country. 

1&23 hrs. 

[Shri K. N. Tiwart* in the Chair] 

SHRI K. BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM (Coimbatore): Let us remind 
ourselves that when we are discus- 
sing this question we are living in 
an acquisitive society where real 
values are at a discount and nothing 
succeeds like success. Wie are all ag- 
reed that in this acquisitive society 
we are confronted by a problem of 
agonising dimensions and we also ag- 
ree on the disastrous consequences. 
The need to combat this menace is 
also a point on which we all agree. 
We called upon the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee to go into this question. But it 
is not as if Mr. Wanchoo and his comr 
mittee were going into this question 
for the first time. There have been 
many committees which have gone 
into this question in the past. 

For example, there was the Ayyar 
Committee in the year 1936, the 
Varadachariar Investigation Com- 
mission in the year 1948. the John 
Mathai Commission in 1954, Profes- 
sor Kalder who was invited to come 
and go into this question in the year 
1956, the Mahavir’ Tyagi Committee 
m 1958 and the Departmental En- 
quiry Committee in the year 1968. 
So, it is very clear that they are 
seized of this problem for a long 
time and committees after commit- 
tees have gone mto this question and 
submitted their repprts. In spite of 
all this, the* verdict .now is that the 
proportions have increased, they 
have become even more menacing 
and we have reached a stage when 
we cannot do anything because th n y 
are eating into the vitals of our eco- 
nomy- We now call it a parallel 
economy. 

While going into the question of 
the parallel economy* I am afraid 
the Wanchoo Committee has been 
yerv disappointing and has shown 
its affection for wealth and privilege. 


Committee (M) 

The Wanchoo Committee has elabo- 
rated the crimes at length but it is 
afraid to name the criminals. Unless 
they name the criminals, unless they 
identify the criminals, all their re- 
medies, all their palliatives, all their 
arsenal to deal with this question is 
not going to be of any use whatso- 
ever. 

Why do I say that the Committee 
has been disappointing and it has 
shown affection for wealth and pri- 
vilege? The recommendations of the 
Wanchoo Committee can be broadly 
classified into two categories. One 
set of suggestions deals only with 
administrative measures. They have 
not gone into the root of the prob- 
lem Secondly, they have accepted 
the evidence of the yery criminals,, 
of the very perpetrators of the 
crime, and then made their recom- 
mendations. 

The monopoly houses have been 
demanding two things. They have 
been pleading and leading evidence 
to the effect that unless the rate of 
income-tax is reduced “you cannot 
deal with black money, we will de- 
feat you” That has been their chal- 
lenge The Wanchoo Committee at 
the very outset has conceded this 
demand. They want it to be reduced 
from 97 75 per cent for the highest 
income bracket to 75 per cent. I 
totally agree with Dr. V. K. R. V. 
Rao here and his view, coming as 
is does from an economist, has got 
greater weight than that of mine 
This proposal of the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee for reduction in the rate of 
taxation shows how far they have 
degraded themselves on this ques- 
tion. 

Secondly, they have suggested the 
doing away with controls. This has 
also been one of the persistent de- 
mands of the big industrial houses. 
Controls have failed is another mat- 
ter Why do the big industrial houses 
want de-control? It is not as if con- 
trols are responsible for the accu- 
mulation of black money. Even if we 
remove controls, they will accumu- 
late black monev. Was it because of 
the high incidence of taxation that 
they created artificial scarcity? It is 



lift Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (S AKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 138 


because of the high incidence of 
taxation that they violate the foreign 
exchange regulations? Is it because 
of the high rate of taxation that 
they are indulging in speculation? 
No, high rate of taxation or controls 
has nothing to do with this. Yet, 
the Committee thought it fit to agree 
to the pleas ot the industrial houses, 
the big sharks of the monopoly 
houses, and make these recommen- 
dations for implementation by trie 
Government. 

Even in the matter of administra- 
tion I find that this Committee has 
got its partiality for the privileged. 
The Committee concede the right of 
the wealthy, of the powerful, of the 
moneyed people to tempt others. 

MR. CHAIRMAN. He should try 
to conclude soon. 

SHRI K BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM- I cannot cover such a vast 
subject so soon If you so desire, I 
will resume my seat now itself 
Here I may point out that the pre- 
vious speaker was given more than 
45 minutes. 

MR CHAIRMAN: My difficulty is 
that the time allotted for your party 
is only seven minutes I know it is 
an important subject. I do not want 
to be vei v strict But he should also 
bo considerate to the Chair 


Committee (M) 

all Government officials. Still, this 
Committee is recommending higher 
emoluments to income-tax officers. 

One of the dangers facing the 
economy today is on account of the 
bureaucracy. Today there are two 
classes of income-tax officers. Class 
I and Class II. Though both of them 
are doing the same work for doing 
equal work they are paid different- 
ly. There is difference in the method 
of promotion also. Those who are in 
Class I, that is to say, those who 
come by direct recruitment, they are 
automatically promoted after five 
years. But those who come from the 
ranks, even though they are much 
mure experienced, they are pot given 
the same^rate of promotion. So, the 
bias of the Committee is for the 
rich, for the Gazetted Officers, tne 
higher officers in the administrative 
machinery. 

The root causes for the existence of 
black money are three- There are 
three devils operating in the Indian 
economy. One is the monopoly 
houses, which were born in black 
money It was during the last world 
war that these big industrial houses 
came into being How did they come 
into being? It was through the accu- 
mulation of bbek money Even as 
children they lived with it and they 
have grown up with that They 
were born in the cradle of black 


SHRI K BALADHANDAYU- 
THAM: I am in your hands. I will 
take the time allotted by you. But 
I expect you to show some consi- 
deration for the subject, if not the 
speaker. 


money 

They were helped and abetted by 
another devil, namely, bureaucracy. 
The third devil is the party in power; 
the bourgeoise political party in 
power is capable of being financed 
by black monev It is not merely 


J nn lhe fact that there are bi £ industrial 

With regard to the houses which are in the highest in- 


also we can see the bias of the Corn- 


houses which are in the highest in- 
come brackets 'vvhich £re evading 


" /-v f wmi/ii aie evading 

mittee. Thev coneede t, 8 taxes and which are able to corrupt 

the monev bags Pf the bureaucracy that has created 

They also concede the rig o P - this situation It is the policies pro- 
pie to be tempted. The n pounded and followed by the govern- 

officers, who are Gazetted Officers. ment in tbp ]a8t 25 years which has 
have got the privilege and g created the conditions for the devc- 

be tempted So, m order that t y i opmen t 0 f this parallel economy 
are not tempted, the Committee re- 

commend that thev must be paid So. these three devils are there 
higher emoluments After all. the and they have to be dealt with. 
Pav Commission is there which is While dealing with it, you have to 
going into the service conditions of^^e the interim report which is 



139 Report of AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct Ioanns Enquiry 140 

Committee (M) 


[Shri K. Bajadhandyutham] 
very much relevant here. The rele- 
vance is that they made a recommen- 
dation of demonetisation. They have 
not referred to it in the final Report, 
hn the final Report, they have not 
made any reference to it except to 
say that it will be efficacious if it is 
implemented. There is a difference 
between the interim report and the 
final report. If demonetisation is 
efficacious, the final report must have 
dealt with that because the Govern- 
ment has not implemented it. I do 
not agree with Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao 
that the Committee cannot recom- 
mend demonetisation. The Commit- 
tee can recommend socio-economic 
changes, the structural changes in 
the economy. If I were put in the 
Committee, I would recommend even 
more. The terms of references itself 
is on black money. When dealing 
with this question of black money, 
they have to recommend all those 
measures like demonetisation. It can- 
not be merely done by suggesting 
administrative measures. It has to be 
more than that. 

They made a proposal of demone- 
tisation. With regard to demonetisa- 
tion, I do not agree that 10-rupee 
notes should be demonetised. It 
should be 100-rupee notes and above. 
Demonetisation is inevitable. If the 
Government does not do it today, it 
will have to do it tomorrow. Without 
mopping the black money in curren- 
cy, transactions cannot Stop in 
spite of the cheques system being 
proposed. You must have cheques for 
higher transactions. They can also 
be like travellers’ cheques. I agree 
with the proposal and I also say 
that the proposal must be madeTd 
see these things are implemented, 
that payments are made only in this 
way. It is qecessarjr for mopping up 
the existing currency in black money. 
Demonetisation is inevitable. The 
Government need not go about say- 
ing it that they are going to demone- 
tise it Demonetisation must be done 
with all the preparations overnight 
suddenly. Unless they do that, they 
cannot mop up blaCfc money. 

.With regard to other things, I ex- 
pected the Wanchoo Committee toi 
make a recommendation that there 
must be a ceiling on profit. We t a lk 
of having a ceiling on land an#t M 


ban property. Why not there be a 
ceiling on profits also. It is a ques- 
tion of income. Why not fix a ceil- 
ing that nobody would earn more 
than 2 per cent or 4 per cent or the 
maximum of 5 per cent profit. Un- 
less there is a ceiling on profit, the 
black money will continue to be 
there. 

I also agree with Dr. V.K.R.V. Rao 
m suggesmg that there should be 
simultaneous check-up of the safety 
vaults in all the banks. Combined 
with demonetisation, there should be 
simultaneous check-up of all the 
safety vaults of the banks, at one 
stroke, all over the country. 

Apart from that, they must also 
acquire properties which have been 
under-assessed) and under-estimated 
in value. Any immoveable property 
which is under-estimated should be 
acquired by the Government. Un- 
less you do that, you will not solve 
the problem Mere transactions alone 
will not solve the problem You will 
have to acquire the properties 
which are under-assessed and under- 
estimated. I say this because we need 
money. Our Finance Minister has 
said that Rs 6,000 — 7,000 crores of 
additional revenue are needed in the 
next period. Even as a revenue, you 
have to acquire properties which are 
under-assessed. 

Not only that Money is being sent 
out. You must nationalise the foreign 
banks. Otherwise, you cannot stop the 
leakage. You will have to nationalise 
monopoly houses. I expected the 
Wanchoo Committee to make that 
recommendation. Unless you take 
over the monopoly houses, you can- 
not deal with this problem By leav- 
ing them, you are allowing them to 
make money Unless you take them 
over, the results will not be achiev- 
ed. 

Then, foreign trade should be 
nationalised. There should be natio- 
nalisation of all essential consumer 
goods factories and other such estab- 
lishments. There should be nationali- 
sation of foreign trade and also 
food trade in the country. Without 
these socio-economic changes about 
which the Government has been 
talking and which has been the 
•pledge given to the people, without 



141 Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 142 

Committee ( M ) 


implementing them, you cannot deal 
with black money. Mere administra- 
tive measure will not do. 

Under these circumstances, the 
Government appointed this Commit- 
tee and the Committee has come 
out with a report. Now, while deal- 
ing with that, the thinking of the 
Government seems to be that they 
will have joint ventures with the 
very people who have accumulated 
black money, the Tatas and others. 
They are going to have joint ventures 
in industrial sphere. On the other 
side, the slogan is "Work”. Work is 
the only slogan of Indian economy. 
The concentration of wealth and 
accumulation of black money goes on 
merrily. 

So, the Wanchoo Committee report 
has been very disappointing The 
slogan of self-reliance by the year 
1980 is becoming a big joke a moc- 
kery While we talk about Indian 
conditions, the Wanchoo Committee 
refers to Western conditions The 
Western conditions have no rela- 
tionship to Indian conditions. They 
have no comparison to our coun- 
try We are 300 years behind them 
in the case of development. To talk 
about Western conditions in relation 
to India is absurd. They do not want 
to evolve an Indian way of dealing 
with black money. 

Whatever we try to do by way of 
implementation, it has to be not 
merely administrative measures but 
structural changes must be brought 
about in the socio-economic system. 
Unless you bring about structural 
changes, the black money cannot be 
dealt with. Without dealing with 
black money, you cannot bring about 
the development of this country or 
solve any of the people’s problem. 
Garibi Hatao will be merely a slogan, 
a day-drearr., if you do not bring 
about structural changes and deal 
with black money as it should be 
dealt with. 

SHRI N K P SALVE (Betul): Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, since the Report was 
published and was, thereafter, made 
available to us in the early part of 
this year, it evoked considerable in- 
terested in the country for it dealt 
with a very topical matter and 


various comments were made expres- 
sing divergent shades of opinion as 
was inevitable. The comments were, 
as usual, inevitable, good, bad and 
indifferent. They were relevant, also 
irrelevant and some of them worthy 
of very useful consideration to see, 
to what extent, those comments could 
supplement the Report, to find some 
solution to this malaise of black 
money and ‘tax-evasion. However, if 
someone wants to use this Report 
only for purposes of a very cheap 
political gimmickry, it is for the 
person concerned to do so if he 
thinks he is achieving some political 
ends. But so far as the purpose of 
finding out some solution to this 
menacing problem of tax-evasion and 
black money is concerned, there is 
no contribution made 

Various comments were made by 
Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. Unfortunately, 
he is not here now. I would have 
convinced him how vague those com- 
ments have been. He referred to 
various estimates of tax evasion and 
tried to create an atmosphere as if 
we were living in a parallel economy, 
black money, which economy is more 
powerful than the real economy and 
that the parallel economy was the 
real economy, as it were. While I 
have not the slightest intention of 
minimising the extremely delete- 
rious, harmful and pernicious charac- 
ter of black money and tax-evasion, 
I must point out that the figures 
given bv Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, 
though drawn from the Committee 
Report, are not put up here in a 
proper perspective. They have them- 
selves relied on figures bereft of any 
conviction and with tremendous re- 
servations. The system they have 
followed is anything but systematic. 
They have niade no secret about it 
• 

On p. 7 of the Report, they have 
themselves said: 

“Research work on tax-evasion 
in this country is extremely 
limited: also attempts to es- 
timate and study tax-evasion 
suffer from some basic in- 
firmities owing to the insuffi- 
ciency or non-availability of 
reliable data. Unless a detail- 
ed breack-down of the total 
assessed income generated in 



Report iff 


AUGUST 


LShn N. K. Salve) 

each year is available, it is 
duncult to make a scientific 
study ot the trend of tax- 
evasion . . , 

Later on, while commenting on their 
own estimate of black money tranr 
sactions to the tune of Jtis. 7,000 crores, 
the Committee itsell looks upon their 
estimate with some d^ree of ridi- 
cule. They themselves say : 

4 The money value of deals in- 
volving black money may, 
therelore, be not less than 
Rs. 7,000 crores for 1968-69. 
We would, however, hasten 
to emphasise that the amount 
of tax evaded income for the 
year 1968-69 is only a guess 
estimate based on certain as- 
sumptions about it. Substan- 
tial difference of opinion ex- 
ists for want of adequate 
date . . . 

Therefore, the figures must be taken 
subject to these very serious limita- 
tions that there was not scientific 
data available, that there was no re- 


20, 1972 Daeit Taxes Mnqu.ry 144 
Committee (M) 

were trying to find a solution to. 
They have themselves given a find- 
ing to which I wish to refer. It is 
a complete answer to every one who 
is likely to be obsessed with thle 
idea of demonetisation and run 
amuck as the Mover of this motion. 
They have themselves stated it. I 
wish he was here. This argument, 
this finding, I am inclined to consi- 
der, was made by the Committee m 
anticipation of the fact that this 
type of argument would be put for- 
ward by people who would not be 
able to properly digest the interim 
report or the final report They have 
said that moneys are not available 
in currency notes, the moneys have 
gone in lavish consumption, they 
have gone in jewellery, in gold, m 
properties, in stocks, and that it is 
wholly wrong and erroneous to 
assume that moneys are hoarded and 
the moment demonetisation takes 
place, we will have unearthed all 
those moneys Nothing can be more 
fallacious and unrealistic than this. 
The Committee has given its finding 
on page 8- 


liable basis for this estimate. 

Then it was said that the second 
report was written under duress. I 
asked him as to what was the basis 
for this type of allegation against a 
Commission which was headed by a 
retired Chief Justice. I do not know 


“In addition, we would also 
like to dispel a possible im- 
pression that the tax-evaded 
income is all lying hoarded 
which can be seized by the 
authorities; much of it has 
been either converted into 


what was the basis He did not want 
to divulge. If any of the two reports 
is written under duress, then both 
the reports are not worth the paper 
they were written on. How does he 
say that the first report is every- 
thing and that the second report is 
nothing? I submit that this type of 
allegation is bereft of any restraint 
and responsibility and does not help 
one way or the other. 

He has become the greatest cham- 
pion of the cause of demonetisation, 
and he draws his entire strength 
from the interim report of the Com- 
mission. I wish he had read this 
report a little more carefully and 
in detail. Then he would have realis- 
ed that after the Committee had put 
in some more work, after they had 
called in. some more witnesses and 
had taken their evidence, after they 
had collected some more facts, they 
found that demonetisation would not 
be a solution to the problem they 


assets or spent away m con- 
sumption or else in circula- 
tion in undisclosed business 
dealings/' 

Either demonetisation could have 
been recommended or this finding 
could have been given. The two could 
not have simultaneously found a 
place in a report which could be 
considered a consistent and a rational 
report In the light of this, one can 
only come to this conclusion that, 
after the interim report, they must 
have reviewed the entire matter, 
looked into all the facts connected 
with black money, in what shape or 
form it is kept by different people, 
and then come to this conclusion that 
it is not hoarded in cash; they have 
said so in those terms; they have 
said that they want to dispel such 
an impression and. therefore, they 
have not recommended demonetisa- 
tion which is being so much cham- 
pioned by Shri Bosu. 



146 Report of BHADJEtA 4, 1894 ( SARA ) Direct Taxes Enquiry Ido 

Committee (M) 


The basic difficulty about demone- 
tisation which Mr. Bosu does not 
seem to realise is this. However 
fanciful the idea may be, in practice 
does he realise how ineffective, how 
impracticable, how dangerous, the 
whole idea is going to be? The re- 
cent raids conducted in Bombay re- 
veal that there was hardly any cash 
available for the tax officer to find 
in the houses of the film people. 
Then, finally, they have said that 
Rs. 7,000 crores worth of transactions 
are taking place in a parallel eco- 
nomy with unaccounted money. We 
want to curb that parallel economy. 
It is wholly a fallacious idea to con- 
sider that once we have taken out 
the current money and have intro- 
duced, for example, red currency in- 
stead of blue currency that will take 
care of the whole problem. Nothing 
can be more fallacious than this. 
The money is in circulation all right, 
never mind what is the colour. You 
may withdraw the old currency and 
introduce a new currency, but even 
then that money will still be in 
circulation. What about the circula- 
tion of Rs. 7,000 crores’ It is the 
circulation of those Rs. 7,000 crores 
which leads to generation — and after 
generation, proliferation — of black 
money. How is that to be eradicat- 
ed and remedied with demonetisa- 
tion’ Demonetisation is being resort- 
ed to as some sort of over-simplified 
process for finding a remedy for a 
malady where the remedy itself is 
much worse than the malady. There- 
fore, I suggest that the idea of de- 
monetisation is utterly ridiculous. 

One more question, I would like 
to ask him Has he studied what was 
the result of demonetisation that we 
had in the country in, 1944, how 
much black money, soon after the 
War, was the Income-tax Department 
in a position to unearth as a re- 
sult of demonetisation? Wherever 
the Department started cases when 
demonetised notes came for encash- 
ment, wherever cases were started 
by the Income-tax Department, ‘Here 
is the black money which is sought 
to be converted into new currencies’, 
old currencies being repayable, all 
those cases were struck down in 
courts: there was no evidence to 
show that Rs. 10,000 or 20,000 which 


these people had brought was not 
the money available with them. 
Where is the guarantee that this 
time the same thing will not hap- 
pen? 

Finally, the day you announce de- 
monetisation, gold prices will go up 
by another Rs. 20 and every one 
will purchase t gold; there will be a 
large scale organized racket taking 
advantage of demonetisation. Do not 
play havoc with your economy by 
this suggestion Imagine the crisis 
that you are likely to create be- 
cause of this. This Government has 
to have a stable monetary policy. 
You cannot distrust all the people in 
your own currency. Therefore, the 
whole idea of demonetisation, for 
him it is allright, but any one who 
carries some responsibility will not 
consider its worth the thought. 

Coming to ceiling on cash hold- 
ings, it is an. equally fanciful idea. 
We cannot be disrespectful to a legal 
tender 1 have myself been thinking 
on the lines suggested by Dr. Rao, 
to have, if not a travellers’ cheque, 
some sort of a cheque marked good 
for payment, some sort of demand 
draft of different denominations, but 
the real difficulty comes if you probe 
into the matter further, whether it 
is negotiable or not. For instance, 
A gives to B. A puts his signature 
and B’s name is written. The ques- 
tion is whether B, the recipient, 
can negotiate it or not If he cannot 
negotiate, then we have the difficul- 
ties. There are not adequate banking 
facilities If you are in the remotest 
corner of rry constituency, for in- 
stance, where to get the cheque en- 
cashed? He will have difficulties in 
encashing this type of cheque. But 
then, if the negotiability is unres- 
tricted, that will become a parallel 
currency and that will be a subject 
matter of black money and black 
transactions. However, it is a matter 
which can be looked into more scien- 
tifically. The restriction on cash 
holdings need not be exactly in the 
form in which it was suggested, but 
some via media can be found out to 
curb black money transaction. 

On acquisition of properties, we 
have already made the laws. There- 
fore, excepting unleashing a pollti- 



147 Repnrtlof AUGUST 

[Shn N. K. P;, Salve] 

cal attack on us, I do not know what 
Mr. Bosu had in znmd while making 
the speech that he did today, try- 
ing to attack the Prime Minister un- 
necessarily. 

With your permission. I will take 
a few minutes to make some of my 
comments on this report. 

The first relates t6 reduction of 
rates. I entirely agree with Dr. Rao 
in what he has said about reduction 
of rates. The entire recommendation 
on reduction of rates has been made 
in such a cavalier manner, one is 
simply startled, no rationale is given 
how a person who would be a tax- 
evader at 99.75 would not be a tax- 
evader at 75 per cent. If a person 
wants to evade tax, he does not see 
whet rates of taxation are there at 
the highest slab. If it is, say, Rs. 10 
lakhs, usua'ly the decision that he 
takes is, ‘I am going to pay tax on 
Rs. 3 lakhs irrespective of the rate 
of tax’. He will submit a return of 
only Rs 3 lakhs and will resist all 
the efforts of the Department to tax 
him on even a rupee more than Rs. 

3 lakhs. That is how it is done. I 
might submit that 90 per cent of 
the people may not be knowing what 
are the highest rates, the different 
rates at different slabs. The tax-eva- 
der’s psychology is rot built with 
reference to high rates of taxation — 
the highest marginal rate of taxa- 
tion — , it is essentially built with re- 
ference to what income he wants to 
pav tax on. They are suggesting re- 
duction in the rates of taxation But 
there is an important obligation 
which we have to carry out How is 
that to be taken care of’ That is the 
obligation connected with our social 
objectives and* eradication of inequa- 
lities. Ending inequalities in wealth, 
opportunity apd power is as much our 
bother as growth is If we want to 
arrest the malaise of tax evasion and 
black money equally we want to en- 
sure that these disparities are brought 
to an end. Now, this question of dis- 
parities has been dealt with in one 
sentence very cursorily; they have 
just dispensed with it in one sen- 
tence; this is what they say on page 
19- 

“One reason often given for 
adopting high tax-rates in 
this country is that they 


26, 1972 Direct Taxes Enquiry I 48 
CommiUe'i {M) 

would narrow down inequa- 
lities of income and wealth. 
In theory this might be a 
valid proposition but in prac- 
tice high rates of taxation 
are apt to make the rich 
richer and the poor poorer 
thereby widening the gap 
between the two classes." 

I wish they were serious about what 
they were saying and I wished at 
least two-third of it should have been 
devoted to do some research work, 
saying, all right, here has been the 
following rate of increase in taxa- 
tion, this is how the disparities have 
grown, this according to us, will be 
the fair rate at which one would 
have an incentive to pay his taxes, 
this will ensure the objective name- 
ly, of ensuring the highest return to 
the exchequer and at the same time 
ensuring that it will not increase 
the disparities. But all that work has 
not been done Instead, what do you 
find 9 Relief is given at the highest 
point If you are earning about 
Rs. 70,000 they have re- 
commended a rate of 74 75 
per cent It is for the benefit of people 
earning above Rs. 2 lakhs who will 
get the benefit of 23 per cent A per- 
son earning Rs 10,000 gets no bene- 
fit in the revised rates given by them. 
A person getting Rs. 15,000 gets a 
benefit of 0 6 per cent A person 
who has Rs 25,000 gets a 
benefit of 2 per cent. These people 
are all those who are crushed; 
people getting Rs. 1,000 and Rs. 1,500 
are mostly salaried people and they 
are the most crushed section among 
the tax payers They are not en- 
titled to any relief whatsoever. 

The only people who are entitled 
to relief are those earning Rs. 2 
lakhs and above. Therefore, Sir, this 
proposal by which they are suggest- 
ing reduction in rates of taxation is 
thoroughly irrational and it has to 
be completely rejected. 

The basic difficulty which is be- 
fore us is this. In various recommen- 
dations that they are making, they 
are putting up arguments in favour 
of them and against them, as given 
to them by different people who ap- 
peared before them. There are no 
statistics, no data, no original work 
done in a report of this character. 
We have spent lakh of rupees on 



140 Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKA) Direct Taxes Enquiry 150 


it and one would have expected that 
whenever they make a suggestion 
they will go into it thoroughly. 

They have suggested clubbing. At 
least in the minute of dissent, they 
have suggested clubbing and the en- 
tire report is suggesting limited 
clubbing. When they do it, one 
would have wished that they gave 
some figures saying, as a result of 
clubbing, in 5 years, what is going 
to be the offtake increase of the exche- 
quer. Are we going to do this type 
of clubbing just for the sake of 
clubbing, or, does it serve any real 
purpose? If it has any real purpose, 
why cannot you put your idea into 
something more concrete? That has 
not been done, unfortunately, and 
I hat has not been achieved. 

The Wanchoo Committee has not 
stated a word about the taxation of 
the companies. Yesterday only I was 
reading in Bombay a report given 
as a result of a study of the Reserve 
Bank, after a study of over 1205 top- 
most companies and the effective 
tates that they have paid. That 
means, the real rate on the profits 
is 42 per cent in the year 1970-71 as 
against 47 5 per cent in the year 
1967-68. Therefore, Sir, our companies 
are subject to a rate of taxation 
which is very rational, very liberal. 
But that is not dealt with at all, 
that is not mentioned here. 

Why is there evasion in companies? 
They have not gone into it. This de- 
partment has not done sufficient 
amount of research, unfortunately, 
to find out what the effective rates 
of taxation are over companies as a 
result of various deductions, various 
rebates and various concessions. The 
effective rates which ultimately come 
under companies are much less than 
the paper rates which we describe 
year after year in the Schedule to 
the Finance Act. 

17 hrs. 

About clubbing, Sir, this is sug- 
gested in the Minute of Dissent by 
Mr. Rangnekar and Mr. Chitale. It 
is a very pernicious and dangerous 
idea. I had a hunch that the Finance 
Ministry is possibly flirting with this 
idea and I thought if ever that idea 
.is accepted how dengerous it is go- 
ing to be on the people who are in 


Committee (M) 

the lesser income group than those 
who are on the higher income brac- 
kets. There are some calculations 
made and they are startling calcu- 
lations. 

Apart from the reasons given by 
Dr. Rao for not clubbing the income 
for purposes of taxation with which 
I entirely agreo, this is my reason, 
purely on the basis of taxation, as 
to how the burden will fall on those 
who are in lower income group and 
how relief as a result of clubbing 
will really go to those who are re- 
ally rich. 

This is a very crafty manner in 
which these things are done which is 
very unfortunate. May be they have 
it inadvertently not knowing 
what they are writing. What they 
have done is really unfortunate. Take 
lor example the case of a husband 
and a wife each earing Rs. 50,000. 
According to the existing rates of 
taxation, if they are separate, each 
has to pay a tax of Rs. 19.550 and bet- 
ween the two of them the tax would 
be Rs. 39,100. Now, if the clubbing is 
done, as per the report of Mr. Rang- 
nekar and Mr. Chitale, what will 
happen is this. Tax i s levied at the 
rates given by them at page 20. Then 
™ nn ^ ls Rs. 50,003 plus another Rs. 
50,000, that is, on this Rs. one lakh, 
the tax payable will be Rs. 48,575, 
meaning an increase of Rs 9,475, 
that is, 24 per cent increase. Take 
the case of a husband and wife, earn- 
| n S Rs 5 lakhs each. Today on Rs 5 
lakhs, the tax is Rs. 4,451050; that 
means, husband and wife, together 
will have to pay a tax of Rs. 8,90,100. 
if it is clubbed and it becomes Rs. 10 
lakhs, then, according to the rates 
Prescribed on. page 20, instead of Rs. 
8,90,100 .according to the existing 
rates, the tax on the two will come 
to Rs 7,21,325, a reduction of 18 per 
cent. The richer you become clubbing 
does not make any difference, be- 
cause above Rs. 60,000 they are re- 
commending that the rate should be 
74 per cent. So if it is clubbed at 
that level it is going to make no 
difference. This is an extremely dan- 
gerous idea and It needs a sophisti- 
cated and well-trained machinery for 
doing this type of clubbing. Have 
they any idea? Have they looked in- 
to the various countries which have 
clubbing? 



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[Shri N. K. Salve] 

In U.K. it has been made optional. 
Look at Canada, Australia, Sweden 
etc. They have complicated methods 
of clubbing it about and when they 
club it about, they have tremendously 
streamlined methods of bringing 
about and ensuring that there is no 
harassment caused t» the people who 
are assessed and that the exchequer 
is not put to any jeopardy. There 
different higher slabs of exemptions 
are given. They have other relief 
given and there it is a more homo- 
geneous sort of society which is more 
easily amenable to that type of pat- 
tern. It is certainly not possible in 
India 

This is my last point I wish to deal 
with litigation, very wastful litiga- 
tion which the Department indulges 
in. Large amount of appeals, — trivial, 
flimsy, frivolous appeals, — are filed 
by the Department, lock, stock and 
barrel, against all the orders passed 
by the Appellate Assistant Commis- 
sioners of Income-tax Persistently, 
Sir, I have been objecting, objecting 
and objecting with the Finance 
Minister and with the Minister of 
State and saying: Kindly check up 
from the tribunal, whether of the 
appeals you are filing against the 
order of the Appellate Assistant Com- 
missioner of Income-tax, 80 to 90 per 
cent appeals have been dismissed or 
not 

Sir, what is the use of foisting liti- 
gation on to the heads of the asses- 
sees when you are only unnecessarily 
adding to the litigation’ 

Something needs to be done about 
it. If they think that the litigation 
is a justified litigation in the inte- 
rests of revenue then let them agree 
to the principle of costs. If they 
will have to bear costs, then many 
trivial and flimsy litigation cases will 
not be there, and are could under 
stand it Unless this is done, 'it will 
be impossible to put an end to 
this type of attitude on the part 
of the Department For, I have 
realised that the unwillingness of the 
tax-payer to desist from avoiding 
taxation can only be matched with 
the over-unwillingness of the Depart- 
ment to desist from having the most 
futile, the most unproductive and 
the most insensible tax litigation. 


SHRI MURASOLI MARAN (Mad- 
ras South): The Wanchoo Commi- 
ttee’s report is a strange mixed bag 
containing something for the radical- 
minded people and some other things 
for the richest sections of society. 
Dr. V. K R Varadaraja Rao and 
Shri N. K. P Salve ably defended 
the Government for not demonetis- 
ing the currency notes as suggested 
in the interim report. But I am sorry 
to say that the great expert in eco- 
nomic and the expert in taxation 
laws could not defend the Govern- 
ment for withholding the publication 
of the interim report. Some time 
back, Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan ex- 
plained that the publication of the 
interim report was found. unnecessary 
as the final report had been publish- 
ed. But now here comes Shri Yesh- 
wantrao Chavan’s advocate who has 
pleaded some other thing. I am sorry 
to say that Shri N. K. P. Salve was 
quoted out of context from the final 
report My hon. friends opposite 
maintain that this kind of suggestion 
about demonetisation was found un- 
necessary; they also maintain that 
suddenly wisdom dawned on the 
members of the committee after they 
released the interim report. This is 
not true I would like to quote from 
the same report. The Committee say: 

“An interim report was submit- 
ted to the Government to- 
wards the end of 1970 recom- 
mending therein some Im- 
portant steps of a radical 
nature for immediate imple- 
mentation. After detailed de- 
liberations and careful con- 
sideration, the Committee is 
still fully convinced . 

— mark the words ‘still fully con- 
vinced — 

“. . about the efficacy and feasi- 
bility of the measures re- 
commended in the interim 
report.” 

This is the feeling expressed in the 
final report As the Deputy-Speaker 
himself has pointed out, the interim 
report and the final report are linked 
together. But while the final report 
has been placed on the Table of the 
House, the interim report has not 
been placed bv Government on the 
table of the House, but it has been 
placed on the Table of the House by 



153 Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SAKJ) Dtnct Taaes 154 

Ertqu ry Comm. {M) 


Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu. I do not know 
what the rules of the_House have 
to say in this matter. But if a report 
contains something produced before 
and if the two have some relation- 
ship. then even though the rules may 
not demand that both should be 
placed on the Table of the House, 
yet "I feel that conventions demand 
that the interim report also should 
be laid on the Table of the House. 

The interim report was not the 
result of a hasty conclusion They 
pondered over the matter for eight 
months and they were going into the 
very urgent problem of the nation, 
namely the creation and prolifera- 
tion of black money, and they have 
suggested some radical measures. 
But we are vet to understand why 
Government have not produced the 
interim report. It is not as though 
all the reports given by all the com- 
mittees or all the recommendations 
made bv the so-called committees are 
accepted by Government. Government 
can at any time pick and choose. 
They are at liberty to do whatever 
they want But so far, no sufficient 
reason has been given for withhold- 
ing the publication of the interim 
report 

I would say that Government are 
themselves to blame for making Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu a James Bond type 
hero, and I congratulate Shri Jyotir- 
moy Bosu on his 007— operations We 
all know that Government are m an 
embarrassment. In my language there 
is a proverb which describes this 
kind of embarrassing situation. It Is 
that faced by a Brahmin lady whose 
dry meat had been stolen. She could 
not cry; she could not complain and 
she could not own the mistake also, 
this is the situation which Govern- 
ment are facing. 

If Government themselves were 
thinking in terms of introducing de- 
monetisation, if at that stage, Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu had released the in- 
terim report then Shri Bosu has 
spoilt a good move by disclosing this 
report publicly The guilt on the part 
of the Government is more because 
they have failed to keep a secret 
document. I think Parliament and 
the public have a right to know what 
has hapoened. Is the report placed 
on the Table of the House by Shri 
Jyotirmoy Bosu the real one or is 


it a fake one? If so, why did Gov- 
ernment not place the same on th£ 
Table of the House? I hope the hon. 
Minister will give a good explanation. 

The Wanchoo Committee’s report 
is a little disappointing to those who 
wished that the jungle of tax laws 
which confuse us, the tax payers and 
the tax administrators would be 
cleared. We all expected a simplifi- 
cation and rationalisation of the en- 
tire tax structure. But nothing of 
that sort has happened. We all know 
that taxation is the principal means 
of redistributing the resources. But 
it is our view that the Wanchoo 
Committee’s report has failed to 
view direct taxes and their role 
vis-a-vis the e gnomic and social ob- 
jectives. I do not think that the 
Wanchoo Committee themselves are 
to be blamed for this. Perhaps, the 
terms of reference were so narrow 
that they could not act otherwise. 
But yet, for the first time, a detailed 
and authoritative study has been 
made on black money and the causes 
for black money have been diagnos- 
ed. Unfortunately, no data exist and 
so, it is a guess work, and one can 
only make a ‘guesstimate’ in regard 
to the existence of black money in 
various forms 

The Wanchoo Committee have 
listed various reasons for the emer- 
gence of black money. But they have 
failed to pinpoint the major foun- 
tainhead of black money. The in- 
come-tax payees are allowed an 
amount of expenditure necessary to 
create the income. Here is the loop- 
hole which provides the income-tax 
payee with a means to amass huge 
sums of black money. But nothing 
has been suggested by the Wanchoo 
Committee tr> plug that loophole. 
Unless that loophold is plugged, I 
think the veneration of black money 
will continue to grow. 

MR CHAIRMAN: Now. the hon. 
Member should try to conclude. 

SHRI MTJRASOLI MARAN: Please 
give me some more time. It is an im- 
portant problem. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I sug- 
gest that this may continue on Mon- 
day, because It is a very important 
disctission. We are working for six 
davs a week and with no lunch-break. 
After all, we are human beings, and 



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156 


our capacity to sit for longer hours 
is limited. Just think of the people 
sitting above, the press people who 
have to make out a story. Again, how 
about the staff of Lok Sabha Secre- 
tariat? 

MR. CHAIRMAN: We shall see. 
Now. let the hon. Member try to 
conclude his speech. • 

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN: Dr 
V. K. R. Varadaraja Rao had sug- 
gested some kind of method, but 
Shri N. K. P. Salve had disagreed 
with it. I feel that instead of 
taxes like income-tax and others, if 
we have a big turnover tax, that 
would do away with black money. 
Whether one makes a profit or loss, 
a tax should be there on the turn- 
over. and I think that could solve 
the problem to some extent. 

Strangely, as pointed out by my 
hon. friend, the Wanchoo Committee 
have suggested that the taxation on 
the highest income bracket should 
be reduced from 97 5 per cent to 75 
Der cent. It is very strange indieed. 
We have no record to show that if 
the tax on the highest income brac- 
ket is reduced, they will not evade 
income-tax 

Black money came into existence 
during the second world war. At that 
time, the maximum rate of tax was 
onlv 68 per cent. Ironically, it was 
during that time that the term ‘black 
money’ came into coinage. 

There is a difference between this 
Committee and the Bhoothalingam 
Committee. The latter suggested that 
the minimum exemption limit for 
income tax should be raised Rs. 7,500. 
In India there is a cry that taxation 
is high. I agree it is high, for whom? 
Not for the rich or syper-rich, but 
for the Door and the middle Income 
group. If the Bhoothalingam Com- 
mittee’s recommendation had been 
accepted in this regard, that would 
have brought a good result. 

MR. CHAIRMAN- There is one diffi- 
culty. I will have to be strict now 
with time. There are many speakers 
on the list. We have to finish this 
business today 

SHRI PILOO MODY- The Congress 
Party has exhausted its time. 

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN : Give 
me three more minutes. 


Direct Taxes 
Enquiry Comm, (M) 

If that recommendation had been 
accepted, at least half of the staff 
employed in the income-tax depart* 
ment could do more productive work 
and more than 2 million assessees 
will be grateful to Government. I 
think Government should consider 
this kind of view. 

Whenever we talk of black money 
operating, there is an impression 
abroad that only the rich industrialists 
or moneybags are the culprits. It is 
net so. It extends to small traders, 
lawyers, doctors, small entrepreneurs. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: Pan-wallas. 

SHRI MURASOLI MARAN: Yes, 
pan-wallas, selfemployed people. All 
have black money according to their 
capacity to earn. Where is the machi- 
nery the Government of India have 
to inspect and check this kind of 
people 9 Pan-wallas are there not only 
in towns where the income-tax de- 
partment operates, but everywhere in 
the country, doctors are there every- 
where, self-employed people are there 
everywhere These people are there 
in every big village. As regards those 
who are the big people in the towns, 
the income-tax department can take 
care of them. But the Government of 
India have no proper machinery for 
tackling 1 all these people. 

Regarding income-tax, two things 
happen Out of tax assessed, there 
are huge arrears every year, to the 
tune of Rs 500 crores. Secondly, 
there are millions of income earners 
who do not pav tax. Let us compare 
these figures with the sales tax which 
comes under the State Governments. 
There the State Governments have 
got the proper machinery. I think 
evasion is less; arrears also should 
be less if we compare them with 
those of the income-tax department. 

What I plead is that for income-tax 
assessment and collection, the ma- 
chinery of the State Governments 
should be made use of. Even now 
they are making use of it. If Shri 
Piloo' Mody does not pav his tax, the 
Collector will go to his hoU9e on the 
request of the income-tax department. 
But I say this is not enough. The 
State Governments have the proper 
machinery, It should be made use of. 



*167 Rtpoot of BHADRA 4, 

Secondly, a major lecomn .endalion 
of the Wanchoo Committee is that in 
the interest ot uniiormity and sta- 
bility, the Central Government snould 
assume the power to levy and ad- 
minister tax on agricultural income. 

SHRI FILOO MODY. Why not the 
States themselves? 

SHRI MURASOLI MAoAN. We 
also agree that many industrialists 
and him stars own i g farms and 
also convert black money into white 
money through these uevires. We do 
not deny it. Cut should tr.e Centre 
take away the right ot the States? 
Now the entire India exLept 'iamil 
Nadu is ruled by a single party Even 
1.1 Tamil Nadu, ideologically we aie 
not different from the ruling party 
elsewhere. We never lag behind them 
in socialist policies. 

SHRI PILOO MODY- Shame on 
you. 

SIIRI MURaSOLI MARAN. In 
this context, wny should not the 
ruling party ask the Chic.’ Ministers 
to put a tax on the rurai rich? It 
could easily have 1 een done. Why did 
they not do it 9 

AN HON. MEMBER* Because it is 
a State subject. 

SHRI MURASOT I MARAN- In 
Tamil Nadu, we have made a begin- 
ning to tax the rural rich end we 
know what followed. I do not want 
to go into that controversy. But we 
should do some heart-searching whe- 
ther we are genuinely and honestly 
interested in taxing agricultural in- 
come. Even if the Centre takes the 
power from the States, is there any 
guarantee that it will effectively use 
that taxing power 9 Those industria- 
lists and film stars who now show big 
incomes from their agricultural ope- 
rations will later show huge losses 
if the Centre link* income tax with 
in agricultural income tax Today they 
are showing profit because it is very 
convenient for them to convert black 
money into white If tomorrow you 
link. the two, they will show huge 
losses. 

Moreover Tamil Nadu is complet- 
ing the Und ceiling ooeration very 
soon. If the Congress is sincere all 
the State Governments will complete 
their land ceiling cperaHons. Then 


1894 ( B4KA ) pitcct Taocta 168 
Enquiry Comm. (M) 

I ask where will there be big land 
holdings to tax? Theoretically no big 
land holdings will be there for the 
big industrialists who take shelter 
under agriculture. • 

a tew of the recommendations 
of the Wanchoo Committee have been 
highlighted. ^ Now I want to focus 
attention on one of the most impor- 
tant recommendations of the Com- 
nfittee. It is on p. 129. It reads: 

“We consider that the Central 
Board of Direct Taxes should 
not be a part of the Ministry 
of Finance” 

Why 9 They answer as follows: 

“As it happens, the secretariat 
offices function in an envi- 
ronment where they are sus- 
ceptible to political influences. 
In a democracy, the elected 
representatives of the people, 
no doubt, have to formulate 
and shape policies including 
fiscal policies. It would be 
unfortunate, however, if m 
execution and implementation 
of policy, there were ele- 
ments of intrusion and inter* 
icrence”. 

I think this is the most revolutionary 
suggestion made by the Committee 
We know the result of not following 
this system. Many leaders of State 
Governments have become Governors 
because the Government did not 
follow this suggestion. I hope this 
is an epoch-making, revolutionary 
suggestion will be accepted by Gov- 
ernment. 

‘MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri D. D. Desai. 

SHRI N. K. SANGHI (Jalore): Two 
Congress members should be called 
and then *an Opposition member 
Otherwise, Congress members will 
not get their chance. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: We will finish 
this business todav. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSIJ- On a 
ooint of order under rule 376. The 
list of business shows that the House 
will rise at 6 p.m. Secondly, you must 
not lose sight of the fact that tor*9v 
is Saturday. You should not also 
forget that we have been forming 
the lunch hour since Monday. What 
does the Government expect out o' 
us? You mu*t mcke it 'flear 



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SHRl PILOO MODY: Let Govern- 
ment cut down their legislative pro- 
gramme. Let them cut out useless 
Bills which are being brought. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: The 
Chair has to function within its rights. 
You cannot say that the House will 
sit till 5 a.m. tomorrow. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: It is true we 
have been sitting continuously from 
11 to 6. But whenever any subject 
comes, extension of time is demanded 
Next week we are very tight in 
schedule. So we have to finish this 
today. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I feel I 
have not been able to impress on you 
what we have at heart. 

We have foregone the lunch-hour. 
How much are we expected to work? 
We just cannot do it. If you force us 
this way, we have to think about a 
different action. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Let us see. Mr. 
D. D. Desai 

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira). Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, if one looks at the 
composition of the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee, one can say that they were 
impartial people During the debate 
many references have been made re- 
garding black money and tax con- 
cealments Also the quantum of the 
black money turnover on which tax 
is evaded has also been referred to. 
They have been mentioned in the 
Wanchoo Committee’s report. 

17.26 hrs. 

[Shri N. K. P Salve in the Chair], 

Particular mention hasjjeen repeat- 
edly made about'- the black money 
turnover of Rs. 7,000 crores but for this 
turnover one would not require Rs. 
7,000 crores as such Anyone in busi- 
ness would easily know and say that 
for an annual turnover of Rs. 7.000 
crores and, that if it is said that Rs. 
1,400 crores is the income concealed 
which means, 20 per cent of the turn- 
over is net income, and when the best 
balance-sheets do not disclose four to 
five 'per cent as net income; the 
amount required would not exceed 
Rs. L400 crores to make a turnover 
of, concealed deals of Rs. 7,000 crores. 


The tax evaded annually has been 
computed in report as Rs. 470 crores. 
Tnat appeais to be on the higr.er side, 
because, once the total amount of 
blacx money is computed at Rs. 1 .400 
crores or Rs. 1,500 crores, then we 
can easily judge that over a long 
period, the total amount concealed 
is that Rs. 1,400 crores or Rs. 1,500 
crores and the tax evaded would be 
correspondingly lower. Further the 
basis assumed by the Wanchoo Com 
mittee for computing black deals has 
been that of Kaldor. Here again, we 
must know that the basis has since 
changed. More assessees have come 
in with the result that the incomes 
have got distributed and so also 
wealth and so also the tax liabilities. 

Further, we observe that each time 
reports are not taken in their totality, 
being interlinked. An impression 
exists that if we accept the recom- 
mendations adverse to the assessee 
and reject the recommendations 
favouring the assessees, then we are 
improving the exchequer’s resource"! 
This could not be true Kaldor him- 
self has recommended about 40 to 50 
per cent as the maximum marginal 
limit. We did not accept that. If we 
look at lax from the other angle, to- 
day, a tax assessee would put in 
efforts, risks and so on, but be a 2j 
rei’ cent commission agent of the 
Gwvernment of India, if he has to 
pay the highest rate. As against that, 
it has been mentioned that if a 75 per 
cent marginal maximum tax limit 
was fixed, there would not be much 
of tax loss, but again one must re- 
cognise that 25 per cent of white 
money that an assessee might get 
wou’d bring him year after year such 
income on it that he would make 
efforts, run risks to earn and defini- 
tely go in for thai 25 per cent saving 
as against concealing the whole 100 
per cent. He does not bke to take the 
risk of losses, and if he makes an 
earning, he gains only to the extent 
of 21 per cent. 

Then we come to the Tax Act itself. 
Here, we find that up to 1939. we had 
hardly 69 sections in the Tax Adt-' 
Today, we have 299 sections in the 
Taxation Act. This is complicating for 
assessees, the collections and also the 
procedure. To that extent, there must 
bp some revision made in whatever 



161 Report qf BHADRA 4, 1894 tjSAKA) Direct loans 162 

Enquiry Comm. (M) 


legislation or recommendations we 
make. 

Then there is the question of the 
total number of tax assessees. We 
find that probably there are over 
three million tax assessees today; it 
is, about 3.2 million to 3.5 million; 
any figure around that. But out of 
that, nearly two million have hardly 
an income above Rs. 7,500 a year. 
Therefore, if we make this slab free, 
probably the loss to the exchequer is 
not more than Rs. 7 crores to Rs. 10 
crores as was estimated by Bhhotha- 
lingam Committee. But then the 
department’s workload will be hardly 
a million assessees and in that case, 
they can discharge the responsibilities 
better and more than make up in 
taxes collected. 

There has been mention made about 
demonetising and even eliminating 
transactions through currency. Replies 
have been given in this House about 
demonetisation, and I do not want to 
repeat But eliminating transaction 
through currency would not be a 
proper thing, because, after all, cur- 
rency is the medium, and the media 
can change. So, even with a changed 
medium, illegal transactions could be 
done or devised and taxes avoided. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Mem- 
ber's time is up. 

SHRI D.D. DESAI : There should be 
an incentive to produce, an incentive 
to earn and an incentive to pay. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: To 
which party does Mr. Desai belong? 

SHRI D. D. DESAI : Dr. Rao has said 
that business income is not flexible 
and that any professionals like law- 
yers, medical practitioners and so on 
can adjust their incomes but business 
or industry cannot and will up or 
down their incomes. Believe me. Sir, 
industry or business can do that, make 
losses also, and if there is no return, 
certainly indifference creeps in and 
a certain amount of indifferences is 
sure loss and thus a loss of tax re- 
venue can also take place. 

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL 
(Moradabad): Mr. Chairman, Sir, 


black money is growing every day. 
The common man feels that the 
present Government is neither 
serious not sincere to unearth blade 
n\oney. Black money and blackmail 
are the essential virtues* of the pre- 
sent Government. It is well known 
that the present Government will not 
accept either the interim report or 
the final report. It is very obvious 
from the speeches made by the Con- 
gress Members. 

We know that the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee has made five majof recom- 
mendations. First, demonetisation; 
second, a ceiling on cash holdings; 
third, reduction in tax rates; fourth, 
removing controls and permits; and 
fifth, strengthening of the tax ad- 
ministration I support all these five 
recommendations of the Wanchoo 
Committee. 

The democratic functioning makes 
it obligatory on the part of the 
Government to be guided entirely 
by public opinion. Rightly or wrong- 
ly, public opinion in this country 
feels that demonetisation is the only 
solution to end black money. If the 
Government does not resort to 
demonetisation, that would simply 
imply that the present Government 
has got a share in black money. 
Therefore, it is not a question of go- 
ing into the merits of the problem. 
Whether demonetisation is wrong or 
right, the Government have been do- 
ing a large number of things which 
are not in the interests of the people. 
The people of this country are con- 
vinced that demonetisation is the 
only solution to solve the problem 
of black money. Therefore, if this 
House and the country are to be 
guided by pybic opinion— and we 
know that any democratic country 
has to be euided by public opinion 5 — 
then, surely public opinion in this 
country is that demonetisation would 
be the only solution for unearthing 
black money 

I know the reply that the Finance 
Minister gave the other day, namely, 
demonetisation will not be good for 
the country when there is a debate 
ffoing on in Parliament here, on 
demonetisation. I do agree with it. 
But it is true that the country is de- 



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manding demonetisation, from the 
Government, because the country is 
convinced that this Government has 
developed vested interests in black 
money. Therefore, it is not necessary 
that the Government should declare 
demonetisation today. Let the Govern- 
ment wait and see for the right time 
to demonetise. Demonetisation is a 
must, and if demonetisation is not 
done, the common man will believe, 
the nation will believe that this 
Government has got a share in the 
black money and their party has got 
a share in black money I would like 
to make that point emphatically 
clear. 

We have just heard the argument 
against ceiling on cash holdings also. 
I do not really see any reason why 
we should not place a ceiling on cash 
holdings. 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: Black deeds. 
(Interruption) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Black 
deals by R. P. Goenka? 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: I am talk- 
ing about black deeds. ( Interruptions ) 

MR. CHAIRMAN: What is it? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a 
point of order under rule 376. The 
hon. Minister just now said, loud 
enough to be heard by some of us, 
that we were taking recourse to cer- 
tain tactics. What tactics is he talk- 
ing about? Is it about black money? 
Is it R P. Goenka’s patronage, the 
posters? What is it about? I want 
to know. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no 
point of order. 

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL: 
Talking about ceilings on cash hold- 
ings and the national debate on the 
subject, I would support the demand 
of Mr. Bose that the interim report 
must be published, if the Govern- 
ment wants that people should have 
confidence In its decency, if the 
Government want that the people 
shouldTiave confidence in the present 
Government 


D.rect Taxes 
Enquiry Coni', n. (M) 

AN HON. MEMBER: That is why 
they have elected this Government. 

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL:... 
what is the difficulty for the Govern- 
ment to place the interim report be- 
fore the House? 

Finally, I know that it is true that 
democracy always functions through 
committees and commissions. But if 
the reports of such commissions and 
committees are not paid full at- 
tention by the Government and 
they remain in the shelves of the 
various Ministries allowing to get 
dust accumulated on them, I can 
tell you people will start losing faith 
in the democratic structure. There- 
fore every possible attention need 
be paid to valuable suggestions made 
by the Wanchoo Committee; we must 
go into the various issues. I know 
that various derogatory remarks have 
been made about the integrity of 
justice Wanchoo which I must con- 
demn them with all my force No 
decent man in this country, no man 
of integrity would like to be asso- 
ciated with any Government activity 
if any derogatory remarks are made 
about the integrity, about justness 
of a man like Mr Justice Wanchoo. 
That point we must understand. We 
must pay respect to the recommen- 
dations that the Wanchoo committee 
had made. Wanchoo committee had 
made various estimates; we may have 
difference of opinion. I know data 
is not available But Wanchoo com- 
mittee has estimated black money 
at Rs. 1,400 crores. I, know in 1965- 
66 while Mr. T. T Krishnamachari 
was the Finance Minister of this 
country he had told me that black 
money did not exceed Rs. 1,000 crores 
in this country. These are various 
estimates that are being made. The 
question is, while income-tax rates 
have risen from 82 to 98 per cent, 
this is an incentive for tax evasion. 
If the reward of tax evasion is great- 
er than there Is no tendency towards 
declaration. A very high incidence 
of tax puts a premium on honesty 
and makes evasion profitable. The 
Public Acteounts Committee in its 
17th report said the Government 
should adopt a fiscal policy that tax 
evasion is unrewarding. The present 
rates are almost confiscatory. 



165 Rtpcrt of BHABRA 4, 

Lastly, I can say that it is being 
argued that the Wanchoo committee 
recommendations are not in accor- 
dance with the economic and social ob- 
jectives of the Congress Party. I want 
to know, What are the objectives of 
the Congress Party? What is the phi- 
losophy of the Congress Party? Is it 
the philosophy to produce corrupt, in- 
efficient man or to produce an econo- 
mic structure based on honesty, effi- 
ciency and enterprise? I take it for 
granted that the Congress Party can- 
not stand for corruption or dishonesty, 
it must stand for honesty, and effi- 
ciency and therefore I do not see how 
any Government on earth can ever 
check black money without reducing' 
tax rates. Similarly, I would support 
what Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao has said. 
Government must go into the whole 
question of controls, permits and 
licences. It is equally true that the 
poor is being burdened unnecessarily. 

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please conclude. 

SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL- I 
feel that the common man i s having a 
huge burden because of high tax rate 
and prices. He must be given tax ex- 
emption upto Rs. 7,500. If these two 
proposals are accepted by the Govern- 
ment, then both the proposals will not 
bring about a loss of more than Rs. 52 
crores to the Government, which can 
go a long way not only to unearth 
black money but also to raise the rate 
of saving and investment which I 
think is absolutely essential for build- 
ing a socialist society in India. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Stephen. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: The Congress 
Party has exhausted its time . 
(Interruptions). Prof. Rao spoke for 
fifty minutes. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: It has got one 
hour and 25 minutes. Dr. Rao spoke 
for 36 minutes and I spoke for 24 
minutes. Mr. Desai spoke for six 
minutes— making a total of 66 minutes. 
These are the calculations. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattu- 
puzha): Rising to speak on this docu- 
ment, I am conscious of a very impor- 
tant fact that this House is discussing 


1894 [SARA) Direct Taxes 166 
Enquiry Comm. (M) 

a report which could have been of a 
very vital importance to the 'economy 
of our country. But the trend of dis- 
cussion and debate, and the method in 
which the discussion was initiated and 
the act of adventurism Mr. Bosu de- 
monstrated have done more disservice 
to the country than any service. Mr. 
Chairman, you «spoke from this side 
and Dr. Rao also, and both of you 
have dealt with different proposals of 
this report and I do not want to cover 
the same ground. 

I do want to highlight another aspect 
as between the Government and Mr. 
Bosu, the way in which the report was 
handled by the Government on the 
one hand and Mr. Bosu on the other 
hand I specifically say Mr. Bosu, be- 
cause I do not identify him with the 
entire opposition, nor even with the 
party to which he says he belongs, 
because I do not find much of enthus- 
iasm in the party generally on the 
line he has taken. 

This report was not put in cold 
storage by the Government. The re- 
port was discussed by the Consultative 
Committee of Parliament which met 
recently and at two sittings elaborate 
discussions took place. More than that, 
I understand that under the auspices 
of the Government themselves, a na- 
tional seminar was organised wherein 
economists, professors, financiers and 
persons from different walks of life 
participated and detailed discussions 
took place for over two days I am 
sure this report must have been 
studied by serious persons who count 
and who are going to execute this. 
That is the wav a report of this nature 
has got to be handled. 

A specific question was asked: why 
pot publish the interim report? Was 
there any need to publish it? Would it 
have done any service to public at 
large? Demonetisation is a matter 
which he highlighted. If the Govern- 
ment wanted to accept demonetisation 
proposals, nothing would have been 
more foolish than publishing the re- 
port to give the warning that demo- 
netisation was coming. On the other 
hand, if the Government do not want 
to accept the demonetisation proposal, 
government would certainly be doing 



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168 


[Shri C. M. Stephen] 

a havoc to the economy and the mone- 
tary structure of this country, giving 
fright to the people by officially pub- 
lishing th*s demonetisation recommen- 
dation, by giving an indication that 
there is a possibility for demonetisa- 
tion to come through. Either way, it 
would have been caus’ng havoc for the 
government to publish the report on 
demonetisation. Therefore, I should 
compliment the government for the 
act of sanity, sobriety, maturity and 
administrative efficiency and foresight 
they showed in treating this report as 
secret which considering the recom- 
mendations made in this report. 

I entirely agree with the submissions 
made here about the contents of the 
report. I do not want to go into that. 
But I will deal with the way in which 
our hon friend, Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu, 
handled it. He has said so many things 
about the Prime Minister I am not 
bothered about it because the Prime 
Minister is tall enough to stand up to 
any slander. But what did he do 9 Let 
us look at it from a moral standpoint. 
The document which he produced the 
so-called interim report, is either 
genuine or not genuine. If it is ge- 
nuine, then I submit it is a stolen pro- 
perty. I can understand a journalist 
making a scoop. But before the Par- 
liament of India, a sovereign body, a 
Member comes with a particular do- 
cument, saying here is a document I 
have stolen, and the document is 
placed before the House That docu- 
ment was not initially placed on the 
Table of the House. He made an^appli- 
cation to the Speaker. Pending ’consi- 
deration by the Speaker, he distributes 
copies of that to the press In fact, a 
question of privilege arises . . (Inter- 
ruptions). It. is stipulated in the rules 
that where a notice is given, before 
the notice is disposed of by the 
Speaker the concerned document shall 
not be published. That is a specific in- 
junction contained in the rules Any- 
way, I did not give notice of a privi- 
lege motion . . . ( Interruptions ). 

By bringing this document before 
the House, by repeatedly shouting 
about demonetisation, by giving notice 
to the entire country that this matter 
was before the government, what has 


Dir ed Taxes 
Enquiry Comm. (M) 

happened? Prices have gone up. Even 
the twenty rupee note which was re- 
cently issued is not seen. Persons who 
have got black money have changed it 
into small denomination notes and 
they are in a safe position. 

Shri Bosu makes an allegation 
against us that we are hand in glove 
with people who have black money. 
Now I put the allegation on him that 
this was not an innocent performance 
of his. It was a calculated, deliberate 
attempt to play the role of an agency 
of certain people who have black 
money, giving warning to these people 
so that they may . . (Interruptions), 
This is what has happened. This is a 
very important matter. This is the 
result of his action. By the discussion 
of this topic the prices have gone up, 
the gold prices have gone up, small 
denomination notes have just gone 
underground and persons who have 
got black money have changed it and 
they are now in a safe position. 
Though he now puts on or assumes 
the image of a diilerent person, this 
is what he has done. 

Now that my time is up, I want to 
spy only one thing about demonetisa- 
ti :n before concluding Demonetisa- 
tion is not so simple a matter. If de- 
monetisation is effected, lakhs and 
lakhs of people in the rural areas, 
workers who may have a few hundred 
rupee notes with them will have to 
declare them and they will be in a 
calamitous position and may be other 
consequences may follow. I do not 
want to go into the details, but I do 
want to deal with this aspect of the 
matter. The way Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 
initiated the debate, the way he 
brought forward the interim report, 
the way he made noise about demo- 
netisation, by that he was making a 
deliberate attempt to safeguard the 
blackmarketeers, people with black 
money. That is why he initiated that. 

I say that this government must 
take drastic steps for the purpose of 
combating black money. Apart from 
that, our socio-economic fabric has to 
be changed. That is the only answer 
to combat black money. This sort of 
gimmicks have to be faced up. I appeal 
to the government to initiate steps 
and make an inquiry as to how this 



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stealing took place from the archives 
of the government. That inquiry has 
to be instituted. With these words, I 
conclude. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra): 
Mr. Chairman, Sir, today I have 
heard Shri Stephen make the most 
enlightening speech that has ever 
been heard in any Parliament of any 
country in the world He has actually 
stated "that it is Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 
who is responsible for the circulation 
of the black money in this country 
and that he, his leader and his party, 
are totally absolved from all res- 
ponsibility for having brought about 
and created this black money in the 
last 20 years or more The Congress 
Party has been fooling the people 
all these years by saying that they 
are anxious to eradicate black money 
I charge this Government of the most 
blatant hypocrisy every time they 
mention they are interested in eradi- 
cating black money because they are 
lust not interested in eradicating it. 
They have from time to time brought 
experts, instituted committees, called 
upon commissions to examine the 
question 

The question of eiadicating black- 
money requires no examination, re- 
quires no study, but a modicum of 
eommonsense which I cannot possi- 
bly credit this Government with If 
T had been asked ten years ago to 
give on two type-written sheets how 
black monev can be eradicated, I 
would have given them the same con- 
clusion which they have arrived at 
after having gone through all these 
tortuous processes of consulting ex- 
perts, committees and commissions 

Thev appointed a committee; by 
all m^ans, bv all methods the most 
unexceptional committee consisting 
of Justice Wanchoo and many others, 
experts in their own fields, and that 
committee with great pains, with 
great care, with great effort sought 
to find out how this blackmoney has 
accumulated and how it can be 
cured. 

17.52 hrs. 

[Shri K, N. Tiwari in the Chair]. 

When the Wanchoo Committee 
Report had been published, what 


happened? The Young Turks of the 
Congress Party, I do not know 
whether they were led or misted by 
Shri Salve himself, started casting 
derogatory remarks against the 
Wanchoo Committee Report — at one 
time Shri Salve himself g&t up and 
said that this leport could have been 
written by the Swatantra Party, as 
if this was the greatest smear that 
he* could put oft the Wanchoo Com- 
mittee Report After all, if the 
Government were anxious to produce 
a report which reflected their own 
thinking, I do not see why they did 
not appoint a committee or com- 
mission consisting of Shri Mohan 
Kumaramangalam as its Chairman, 
Shri K R. Ganesh, Shri Raghunatha 
Reddy, Shn S. M Banerjee, Shri 
Chanrlrajoet Yadhav and Shri N.K.P. 
Salve so that he could point cut all 
the loopholes m the suggestions that 
they made 

SHRI K. R GANESH: Thai Com- 
mittee would not be complete with- 
out an agency I hope he will pro- 
vide that agency 

SHRI PILOO MODY: I do not know 
how I can possibly represent the KGB. 
In case he likes, I can give him a list 
of the names of the persons belonging 
to the agencies of the KGB, from top 
to bottom in order of priority and pro- 
tocol. Do not give me any nonsense 
about agencies It is all in his mind. 

Coming back to the Committee, it 
was an honest Committee consisting 
of decent people m this country who 
were entrusted with a decent job of 
work to do and who have done a de- 
cent job; and they came out with a 
report only to find it being smeared 
by those people who are much too 
clever by half. , 

> 

It was, after all, Mr. Kaldor who 
came here many years ago, in 1956, 
and suggested a method by which 
black money can be eradicated. He 
suggested a tax structure which if it 
had been employed by them, today 
there would have been hardly any 
black nomey in this country. But this 
Government could not, cannot'and is 
not willing to accept any rational sug- 
gestion which will eradicate black 
money from this country. For obvious 



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CShti Piloo Modyjv 

reasons, which we understand only 
too well, not a single one of them 
would have been elected to this House 
but for the fact that black money is 
available to them from morning, noon 
and night, year in and year out, day 
in and day out. None of them would 
have been here . . ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI K. R. GANESH: Tt is a wild 
allegation . . . 

MR. CHAIRMAN Mr Piloo Mody, 
you are casting an aspersion on all 
your colleagues on this side of the 
House . . . 

. SHRI PILOO MODY: I am prepared 
to exempt you. 

MR CHAIRMAN* I am one of them. 
This is very objectionable. 

SHRI PILOO MODY* When ho gets 
up and makes an accusation of people 
belonging to agencies, this and that, 
his voire gets choked m his mouth 
But when somebody makes a little 
allegation which is a hundred per cent 
right, he shivers and starts raising ob- 
jections It is time that somebody 
spoke the truth. 

SHRI K R. GANESH It is a wrong 
allegation 

SHRI PTLOO MODY; It is time you 
learnt the truth. 

SHRI K R GANESH* It is time 
somebody called you this . (Inter- 
ruptions). 

SHRI P K DEO (Kalabandi) ■ He 

has got the right of rt?ply. 

« 

SITRI K. R GANESH* He will go 
away; he wiM not sit here to h n ar 
my reply. (Inter ruptiort) 

SHRI R D BHANDARE (Bombay 
Central): On a point of order. Sir. 

M r Pi 1 no Mody has made certain 
remarks- T will not use the word 
‘allp^alJon’ "hu'h cast an aspersion 
on the Members of this honourable 
House. It is derogatory not only to 
the honourable House but also to the 


Members to say that but for black 
money, they would not have been able 
tc come to this House. This is a repre- 
sentative form of Government. We 
have been elected by the people un- 
less he goes to the extent of saying 
that without even votes we have 
come here. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: That is also 
true in some cases. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE: It is not 
in keeping with the dignity of the 
House. Therefore, his remarks which 
arc derogatory to the House and to 
the Members must be expunged from 
the records 

SHRI PILOO MODY: Never. 

SHRI R D. BHANDARE: Have I 
made the point clear? He says, but 
for the black money, we would not 
have been elected to this House. This 
is do ’oratory to the House and to 
the Members. Ours is a parliament- 
ary democracy Under the Constitu- 
tion, we have been elected by the 
people These remarks should be ex- 
punged 

Under the People’s Representation 
Act, we have made a provision that 
certain amount would be spent on 
elections. Under the People’s Re- 
presentation Act, wc are allowed to 
spend certain amount. If that amount 
is to be called black money, then, 
I think— I am not making an allega- 
tion or an accusation— he is making 
derogatory remarks against the 
House and against the Members. 
Therefore, these remarks should be 
expunged 

18 hrs. 

MR CHAIRMAN- I will look into 
the records There is one thing. It 
is not in verv good taste, what you 
have' said about your colleagues on 
the Congress Benches sitting here . . . 
(Interruptions). 

SHRI R D BHANDARE: I have 
made a point of order. You have not 
given your ruling. You have only 
made an observation that it is not 
befitting the hon. Member to say 
that. The hon. Member says specifi- 
cally that \ve have been elected with 



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the help of black money. That is 
derogatory to the Members and the 
House. Therefore, it ought to be ex- 
punged. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: I will look to 
the rules and the records also. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE: After 
looking into the records, you ex- 
punge it 

SHRI PILOO MODY: What is your 
ruling. Sir? 

MR. CHAIRMAN: I will look to 
the rules and the records. Then, I 
will come to a decision. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: On a 


would like to make one very per- 
tinent objection on the percentage 
of highest taxation slab that the 
Wanchoo Committee recommend, 
that is, of 75 per cent. This is very 
pertinent to note that in ]£56 it was 
permissible for an expert to get up 
and say that in order to eradicate 
black money, you have to bring 
down the maximum slab of taxation 
to 45 per cent. It is indeed strange 
that within 15 years, we have been 
so brain-washed, so completely 
frightened, so completely injected 
with fear m our minds and thinking 
that it is with the greatest hesita- 
tion that the Wanchoo Committee 
reported and managed to bring it 
down to 75 per cent. 


point of order, Sir. 

I thought Mr. Bhandare was a 
knowledgeabe person. At one point, 
he was going to be the* Law Minister 
in the last House. If he looks at Rule 
380, it does not say about derogatory 
remark. I am most disappointed 

SHRI PILOO MODY: Sir, to the 
best of my knowledge, I have not said 
anything that is unparliamentary and 
requires to be expunged. I have not 
been elected to the House of the 
People, to the Indian Parliament, 
only to say things that this Govern- 
ment would like to hear or to flatter 
my colleagues as far as the House 
is concerned. If he wants my flattery, 
he will have to come out in the 
Lobby or in the Central Hall. I am 
not prepared to flatter them in the 
House; T am here to speak the truth. 

This is as I see it. If this is what 
I feel has been happening in the 
country, it is my birth-right to be 
able to say it in the Parliament of 
this country. If it is unparliamen- 
tary according to the rules, by all 
means, expunge it. I certainly will 
not be a party to any expunging of 
what I have said so far. What I 
might say in future is subject to 
your ruling, Sir. 

I was* talking about the various 
committees and commissions that 
have been appointed from time to 
time, first Kaldor, then the Bhoo- 
thalingam Committee Report, now 
• the Wanchoo Committee Report. I 


If you were to go back to the 
Wanchoo Committee and ask them, 
“Do you really think 75 per cent 
is enough?”, they will say, “No. But 
we were afraid of suggesting a fur- 
ther reduction for fear that the en- 
tire report would be thrown out.” 

I say this only to illustrate the 
sort of propaganda offensive, the sort 
of brain-washmg, that the entire 
country is going through so that even 
dispassionate advice tends at times 
to be somewhat hesitant. 

Prof. Rao made several, rather 
interesting suggestions. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Where 
is he? 


SHRI PILOO MODY; He has gone 
home. He only comes to make 
speeches. 


Being a professor, he has, of course, 
seen carried away. But there is one 
Lung that he £aid, that payment 
•hall not* be made in, cash that is 
worth considering. It is a very good 
idea. Nobody likes to make payment 
in cash I myself have very often 
been inconvenienced by the fact 
that I did not have enough cash 
with me: I had to carry so much cash 
with me in order to make a particu- 
lar purchase which I could not make 
bv cheque or any other document, 
that it had made me uncomfortable, 
ttierefore, I think that some method 
is necessary by which less and less 
:ransactions take place in cash. Un- 



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[Shri Piloo Mody] 

fortunately this cannot be done by 
legislation. Unfortunately the Pro- 
fessor b^mg highly technical had 
gone beyond himself. What should 
be done is that the banking system 
should be m-ade better as in European 
countries or in America. You do 
not have very serious difficulties in 
encashing cheques there, and I cer- 
tainly do not want to say that we in 
India are more dishonest or less 
dishonest that we cannot adopt this 
system easily. I grant you that there 
are certain difficulties, particularly 
in rural areas where you have a 
shortage of banks and their bran- 
ches. But it is a very good idea. 

Then another suggestion which Dr. 
V. K. R. V. Rao has made, which is 
excellent from every point of view 
and unexceptionable, is that the 
transactions which take place on 
property and things like that, should 
be in the public gaze, in the public 
domain. Nothing destroys as much 
as public exposure. Therefore, I 
would like the Government to have 
the names of tax-evaders posted up, 
to have their names published. I 
would like to see the transactions 
taking place in the open and not in 
a clandestine fashion where nobody 
knows what the relevant details of 
the contracts are. Even about the 
system that the Government has 
started of publishing peoples in- 
comes etc, at first I thought that it 
was m questionable taste, but from 
the sort of corruption and nepotism 
I see today m which the * entire 
country has been shrouded, 1 think 
it is a very good idea. We must have 
public exposure of those who evade 
and break the law But then there 
must be a* certain rationality about 
the law itself. There must be some 
reasonableness about the law; the 
law must be such that people like 
to obey it. After all, the way the 
tax structure is at present fixed, no 
man in the country who works or 
has ihe capacity to work will want 
to work. This the sort of society 
that they have created. 

1 ,1 have said this once before. All 
■that we have managed to create 
'after 25 years of Independence as a 
value for our society Is the value of 


being poor. With the language tussle 
and the educational tussle that have 
been going on, we have now added 
another dimension to the values that 
we have created for our country— 
the value of being ignorant— so that 
if you are poor and ignorant, you 
can inherit this country. But if yqu 
are hard-working, if you are talent- 
ed, if you have skill, if you have 
entrepreneurship, if you have any 
capacity, this country is no tit place 
for you to live in. These are the 
values that we have created after 
25 years of self-government. 

When I hear discussions on Bills, 
reports and Commissions, all the 
time evading the basic issues and 
going round and round on the peri- 
phery, trying to get a little bit here 
and a little bit there, trying to gain 
political leverage out of a situation, 
I get angry, when what you want is 
to dean up society, and when I find 
my colleagues, whom you say I 
should treat with love and respect, 
getting up and defending this sort 
of things, it makes my blood boil. 

It is with these words that I re- 
quest that Goverrrent accept the 
Wanchoo Committee report in toto 
if it is serious about eradicating 
black money, and fiddle with it if 
it is not 


18.10 hrs. 

BUSINESS ADVISORY COM- 
MITTEE 

Sixteenth Report 

SHRI R. V BADE (Khargone): 
Sir, I beg to present the Sixteenth Re- 
port of the Business Advisory Com- 
mittee 


MOTION RE FINAL REPORT OF 
THE DIRECT TAXES ENQUIRY 
COMMITTEE— contd. 

SHRI N. K. SANGHI (Jalore): 
Sir, today we are discussing a very 
serious matter. We are considering 
the final report of the Direct Taxes 
Enquiry Committee which was laid 
on the Table of the House on the 20th 
March, 1972. It is a very important 
subject. The whole House is exercis- 
ed over this matter and every Mem- 



177 Report of BHADBA 4, 1894 (SAKA) direct Taxes Enquiry 178 

Comm. (M) 


ber has been wanting that some de- 
sirable changes are brought about in 
the taxation structure of our coun- 
try. 

When the Wanchoo Committee was 
appointed, it issued a questionnaire 
to be replied to and I am glad to 
say that I had the privilege of ans- 
wering the questionnaire and also 
appearing before the Committee to 
give evidence for more than four 
hours before the Committee. 

The Pinal Enquiry Committee Re- 
port that we have received, I think 
the committee has done a very help- 
ful task. They have received and 
taken voluminous evidence and they 
have still found it possible to sub- 
mit this report in the quickest possi- 
ble time, and it is really a matter on 
which the members of the committee 
should be congratulated. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSIJ: Which 
report? The interim report or the 
final report? 

SHRI N. K. SANGIil. It would be 
very njee to go into a little back- 
ground of the tax structure in this 
country; particularly on the direct 
taxes administration, after Indepen- 
dence, we have had as many as six 
committees. In 1947, we had the Tax 
Investigation Committee; then we 
had the Mathai Commission; later, 
we had the Direct Taxes Inquiry 
Committee’s report of Shri Tyagi, 
which resulted in the bringing for- 
ward of the new tax law of 1961. 
Thereafter, we had the Bhoothalin- 
gam Committee’s report, and now 
the Wanchoo Committee’s report is 
before us I am glad that we are to- 
day having an opportunity to discuss 
the Wanchoo Committee’s report in 
this House. 

Whenever we have a report of a 
commission, it gives out many re- 
commendations which dome before 
the House, before the public and 
before the Parliament and the 
people. That is exactly what has been 
done by the Wanchoo Committee’s 
report. There have been more than 
400 directions and recommendations 
that this Committee has brought 
before uS. It is always that no one 
Member would agree to every one of 
the recommendations; there would 


be recommendations with which one 
person might agree and the others 
might disagree. 

1?.13 hrs. 

[Shri R. D. Bhandare in the Chair], 

There will be a number of recom- 
mendations op which they will have 
divergent opinions. But we have 
really to take stock of the things as 
a whole. Before the report of a 
committee is submitted by an ex- 
pert body, they take evidence, they 
take the administrative difficul- 
ties into account and they take into 
account also all the consequences 
that are there in the country be- 
cause of the proliferation of black 
money and various other matters. 
Therefore, we shall have to take this 
report a little more seriously. 

Today, what is happening in the 
society. We find there is a crisis of 
confidence in society. There is no 
doubt that everyone says that there 
is proliferation of black money. 
Everybody today is, however, going 
towards black money and thinking 
of how to make some easy money to 
live by, and that has become the 
bane of the society; the attention of 
everyone, including the politicians, 
the statesmen, the services and the 
bureaucracy is being focussed on 
this vagary which is spreading in 
this country cancerously and also 
in the other parts of the world. But 
there is a crisis of confidence today 
in our country, when we say that 
we have no faith in the tax adminis- 
tration. After Independence, we 
have seen that people have lost faith. 
When it comes to the politicians, they 
say that the bureaucracy is corrupt; 
when /it comes to the bureaucracy, 
they say that the people are dis- 
honest; when it comes to the tax- 
recovering inspector, he feels that 
the assessce is dishonest and he is 
not doing his job honestly. When it 
comes to the assessee, he feels that 
the politicians are not behaving pro- 
perly and the tax administrator of 
the Government is not doing his 
job properly This goes on in a vici- 
ous circle. Instead of having any 
remedial measures we find that we 
have been going on proliferating the 
whole matter. Without proper eauca- 



m 


Report t AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct Teues Enquiry MO 


[Shri N. K. SanghiJ' 4 ?: 

tion, with the price#' rising and with 
the multiplicity of Controls that are 
going on today in the country, with 
the situation that we have, where 
the value of the rupee has gone 
down during the last decade by more 
than 50 per cent, we have really 
brought ourselves to a difficult situa- 
tion. It is really a problem to be 
solved with a lot of restraint. 

In the wake of this, we have re- 
ceived this Wanchoo Committee's 
report, and I am sure that this report 
wul give us the desired light and 
direction, if only we would care to 
work on it. 

I am reminded, Sir, of a story in 
this connection. There was a king 
who did not believe in anyone’s 
honesty and who thought that every- 
one was dishonest. He wanted a gold 
crown to be made ior him. So, he 
called one of the best goldsmiths and 
told him. ‘You have to make me a 
gold crown, but it has to be made in 
my presence only’ The gold:mith 
worked for a number of days and 
made a crown. When the crown was 
ready, the goldsmith said ‘New, it 
will have to be polished, and for po- 
lishing it, I shall have to put it in a 
particular acid, and after I take it 
out from the acid, you will have the 
crown ready’. The king agreed, he 
thought that the crown was ready by 
then and, therefore, there was no 
harm in allowing the goldsmith to 
take the crown and put it into the 
particular acid in order to purify it 
and polish it After 24 hours, the 
crown was brought to the king. The 
crown was really dazzling, and it was 
very nice, and the king was happy. 


Comm, (if) 

house. I put it in add and this is 
what I have got, a non-gen uine 
crown’. 

This is the sort of crisis of trust 
from which we are suffering today. 
One does not believe the other. 
Whatever work is given by on’e to 
another is not carried out sincerely 
and there is lack of confidence 
everywhere. We will have to find 
out ways and means by which we 
can revive this confidence. Today the 
junior officer does not respect the 
senior officer. The C.B.I. is after the 
officers and the officers are after the 
assessees. In this mess, we have to 
find a solution and I think if we 
take care of this Report before us, 
it will go a long way in helping 
us to do so. 

The alleged Interim Report of the 
Wanchoo Committee that has been 
laid on the Table by Shri Bosu, whe- 
ther it is the genuine one or not is 
not important, but because of the 
fact of its having been laid on the 
Table, attracted a lot of comments, 
editorials and reactions. There are 
certain points in it which have been 
highlighted, particularly, demoneti- 
sation, a ceiling on cash holdings etc. 
All these matters are there. But 
what we are really concerned with 
is what is contained in the final re- 
port and the direction in which the 
recommendations made therein go. 

My hon. friend. Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao, 
said that there should really be re- 
liance on more banking operations, 
that every person should operate 
through banks for payment wherever 
he can It is a very good suggestion. 
But the question is: can we really 
make it practicable? " • 


The goldsmith then said: ‘Oh King, 
the crown you are wearing is not 
ihade of gold, but of some other 
alloy’. This was a revelation to the 
king because for the last 25 or 30 
days the goldsmith was working at 
it in his presence. So he thought 
how it could be other than gold. But 
the goldsmith said- ‘You did not be- 
lieve me. I am a goldsmith and I 
wanted to make a good job of it, 
But since you did not believe me 
and since you wanted everything to 
.cs.-done i n your presence. I have 
twin making and chiselling another 
crown of the same type in my 


I remember a recent incident. A 
friend of mine was getting his dau- 
ghter married For this purpose, he 
drew a loan from Government of 
Rs 4,000 He wanted to take it to 
Jodhpur. But the banker suggested 
that instead of taking it by a draft, 
he could take it in traveller’s cheque 
which he could encash at Jodhpur 
conveniently and easily either in part 
or in whole. But to his misfortune, 
when he went to Jodhpur to cash 
it. the State Bank of Bikaner in 
Jodhpur look 3 .hours because thi s 
wag the. first traveller’s cheque that 
had come t 6 that bank for encash- 



ill Report of BHADRA 4, 1894 (SARA) Dit&l Teats Enquiry 182 

i Comm. {$£) 


patent, and until he went to the Gene- 
ral Manager, he could not get it 
cashed. 

This is really what is preplexing 
the society. We have recently seen the 
bank clearance strike in Rajasthan. 
Crores of rupees remained uncleared 
by the Bank putting the people to a 
huge loss. There is presently a strike 
by the Reserve Bank staff at Calcutta. 
There are innumerable difficulties. 
There should be a judicious method 
by which we conduct operations 
smoothly and to the satisfaction of all. 
In this the Wanchoo Committee Re- 
port can help us. 

There are about 400 recommenda- 
tions made in that copious report 
made by a man of the highest inte- 
grity, a man with the highest judicial 
knowledge in the country, Shri 
Wanchoo. I am sure this a report 
which we should not overlook or take 
lightly. Government should go 
through the report in its entirely and 
accept those recommendations which 
are administratively feasible and 
give effect to them so that we can 
have a better tax structure and there 
can be an atmosphere of confidence 
in society which will help in building 
a better society. 

Shri Baladhandayutham told us 
that many social and economic 
changes are necessarv. We are 
not lagging behind in bringing about 
social and economic changes. Today 
we are marching hand in hand for 
the emancipation of the common 
man. Whether it was nationalisation 
of banks or nationalisation of the in- 
surance companies or the matter of 
land ceiling or ceiling on rural 
wealth, without minding about vote- 
catching, we have brought about the 
necessary social and economic chan- 
ges. The Darty is fully aware of its 
responsibilities to the people and wo 
are going faster than all the Opposi- 
tion parties put together. 

T hope the Central Government will 
take the Wanchoo Committee report 
seriously and proceed in the direction 
indicated therein so that we bring 
about a better tax structure in the 
country. 

Our tax administration requires a 
. lot of changes. One of the suggestions 


made by the Committee is that there 
should be an independent, autoiKH 
mous Board of Revenue. If this will 
bring about the desired change, I see 
nothing wrong in implementing this 
recommendation. We hsflre autono- 
mous bodies like the P & T and many 
others. It is high time we accepted 
this and many other recommendations 
which would ehable us to build a 
better society where man can breath 
freely, where the rich and poor march 
hand in hand and we have less of class 
distinction in the country and we can 
really be proud of this country. With 
these words, I hope the Finance Mi- 
nistry will look into the whole 
matter for the betterment of the tax 
structure -in the country. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Bcgusarai): Mr Chairman, Sir, really 
I am in a peculiar predicament. The 
time that falls to my share is so ridi- 
culously brief according to your cal- 
culus, that I would be making myself 
ridiculous too. if I attempt to make 
anv rr" imugful contribution to this 
debate. 

You will realise that we have to 
deal with a voluminous report of 272 
pages, containing recommendations of 
the order of 267 I cannot even touch 
the fringe of this voluminous report. 
So may I concentrate my at tent’ on on 
the most burning topic of the day, that 
is. Hack money. Black money, to my 
mind, is the progeny of black politics, 
and so long as black politics remains 
in command, we will always have 
blacfc money and black economy. So 
long as the present political constella- 
tion exists and may I say also, the 
kind of political regime that we have 
in the country exists, there will be 
no pnlitTcal will to eradicate black 
mnnev In fact there would he a 
pronounced lendrney in the contrary 
direction, ramelv to augment black 
money so as to freelv draw upon it. 
That is v~rv much in evidence today. 

One positive evidence that one 
would like to have from the political 
set-un cf the dav is— if thev want to 
show mv nehtical will and commit- 
ment to eradicate b'ack money — they 
should come forward with a law 
which would oblige every political 



Report ( 


AUGUST 26, 1972 Direct T<m* Enquiry 184 

Comm, (fit) 


tShri ShyamnandfB Mishra] 

party td«declare its respective receipts 
and expenditures, thgir assets and lia- 
bilities. Are they prepared to do this? 
If they are, not prepared to do that. 
I would say that they are not going 
to bring the political will and com- 
mitment to eradicate black money. 

As I told you, I am feally in a pe- 
culiar predicament due to lack of 
time. I would, therefore, content 
myself by reading out a limerick on 
the Wanchoo Committee report, a 
small limerick: 

Why not enjoy the magical bloom, 
Why do we want to revel in 
gloom? 

Black money and tax evasion, 
Sovereign remedies for democra- 
tic erosion. 

Massive mandate foi Garibi 
Hatao, 

Anti-prohibition and Khoob Filao, 
Would you have them if you 
heed 

Jyotirrroy’s nonsensical plead? 
Let us celebrate this colourful 
marnage. 

Politics and money have wonder- 
ful carriage. 

Attempts to weaken the basis of 
stability, 

How can we put up with this 
audacity. 

Gems in the crown, the great 
Navarathnam 

Led by Goenka and Chidambaram 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Maruthi 
Limited. 

SHRI SHYAMANDAN MISHRA: 
Let me complete the limerick: 

Socialist lamp gives dazzling light 
Fuelled by the capitalist nute. 
The Wanchoo Report, interim and 
final 

Is for debate and decent burial. 
With this, I end. 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar): 
Sir, I would like to make a submission. 
We are discussing a very important 
subject, and because of the late hour 

L/J(N)8IiSS— 1,010— 14-11-72— GIPS 


there is no quorum in the House. Most 
of the Members have gone, (Interrupt' 
tions). I would request you to allow 
this discussion to continue oh Mon- 
day and adjourn the House now, be- 
cause there is no quorum. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir I 
am raising a point of order. 

MR. CHAIRMAN: Under what 
rule’ 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Under 
rule 376, I am surprised I have to 
quote the- rules for Mr. Bhandare who, 

I am sure can quote from memory. I 
take lessons from you 

MR. CHAIRMAN: You are taking 
too mu'-h of liberty 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: I am on 
a point of order under rule 376. 

We are sitting on a Saturday; we 
have foregone our lunch hour. We are 
tiled, physically and mentally, our- 
selves, those who are with us, namely, 
visitors, people around here, Lok 
Sabha staff 

DR KAILAS (Bombay South): Un- 
fortunately, there is no time on Mon- 
day 

SHRI P M MEHTA- Even now 
theie is no quorum. The Minister 
has to intervene and then the hon. 
Member will reply. It will teke a long 
time (Interruptions). This is not the 
uay to discuss an important subject. 
Mombeis have left. 

MR CHAIRMAN: There is an un- 
det standing that after 6 o’clock no 
question of quorum should be raised 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA: I rise on a 
neurit of order now. It was my sub- 
mission before; now I rise on a 
point c f order. According to the rules 
the House cannot transact business 
without quorum 

MR CHAIRMAN: Let the Bell b$ 
rung --There is no quorum. 

Since there is no quorum the 
House stands adjourned till 11 a.m. on 
Monday. 

18 30 hrs. f 

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till 
Eleven of 'the Clock on Monday , 
An oust 28th, 1972/Bhadra U0ft£- 
( Saka ) 



CONTENTS 

No. 20— Monday, August 28, 1972/Bhadra 6, 1894 {Saka) 


t 


Columns 

Obituary Reference 

• 

1-3 

Shrimati Indira Gandhi 


1-2 

Shri Samar Mukherjee ... ... • 

*«s 

2 

Shri G. Viswanathan 

... 

2 

Shri Jagannathrao Josbi 

... 

2 

Shri P. M, Mehta 

• •• 

2 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 

... 

3 

Shri Ramkanwar 

... 

3 

Oral Answers to Questions— 

♦Starred Questions Nos. 363 to 368, 372 to 374 and 376... 

... 

3-31 

Re. Short Notice Question No. 4 

... 

31-32 

Written Answers to Questions— 

Starred Questions Nos. 361, 362, 369 to 371, 373 and 377 to 380 

■ •l 

32-39 

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3380 to 3727, 3729 to 3760 and 3762 to 

3779 

• •• 

39 —189 

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance— 

Policy of Prohibition ... 

• •• 

190 -.201 

Re. Motion for Adjournment 

... 

201-15 

Papers laid on the Table .. 


215-17 

Leave of Absence from the Sittings of the House 


217 

Joint Committee on Offices of Profit— 

Third Report 

- 

217 

Motion Re. Sixteenth Report of Business Advisory Committee * , 

... 

217-18 

Indian Copper Corporation (Acquisition of Undertaking) Bill— 

Introduced 


218-19 

General Insurance Business (Nationalisation) Bill— 

Motion to consider, as reported by Joint Committee 

... 

219- 

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan 

219-26, 289-96 


* The sign -{-marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually 
asked on the floor of the House by that Member, 



Columns 


Shri Somnath Chatterjee 




229-37 

Shri N. K. P. Salve 




237-42 

Shri Indrajit Gupta 




242-50 

Shri C. M. Stephen 




250-55 

Shri ( p . A. Saminathan 




255-60 

Shri Ramsingh Bhai 




261—66 

Shri Virendra Agarwal 



911 

266—70 

Shri Shankar Daya) Singh 



•■1 

270-75 

’ Shri H. M. Patel 



• M 

275-77 

Shri Vasant Sathe 




277-80 

Prof. Madhu Dandavate 




280-85 

Shri D. D. Desai 




285- 87 

Shri P. M. Mehta 



... 

288—89 

Clauses 2 to 40 and 1 

Motion to pass, as amended 

... 

... 


332 

Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan 

... 

... 



Half-an-Hour Discussion Re. Construction of Railway 
Safdarjang Aerodrome 

Over-Bridge at 


332-37 

Shri N. K. P. Salve 

... 

... 


332-35 

Shri Mohd. Shafi Qureshi 

... 

... 


335-37 

Discussion on the Re-opening of S. S. Light Railway from Shahdara to 
Saharanpur 


338—60 

Shri Ram Chandra Vikal 




338 — 44 

Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu 




344-47 

Shri Narsingh Narain Pandey 




347—49 

Shri S. M. Banerjee 




349-50 

Shri Mulki Raj Saini 




350-51 

Shri Ishaque Sambhali 




351-52 

Shri Krishna Chandra Pandey 


»• » 


353 

Shri Satish Chandra 




353-54 

Shri T. Sohan Lai 




354- 56 

Shri Rudi? Pratap Singh 




356 

Dr. Govind Das Richhariya 




356-57 

Shri Mohd. Shah Qureshi 




357-60 



LOK SABHA DEBATES 


1 


LOK SABHA 


Monday, August 28, 1972/Bhadra 6, 
1894 ( Saka ) 


The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock 

[Mr. Speaker in the Chair] 

OBITUARY REFERENCE 

MR. SPEAKER : Hon. Members, I have 
to inform the House of the sad demise of 
Shri M. Shankaraiya who passed away at 
Mysore on the 22nd August, 1972, at the age 
of 67. 

Shri Shankaraiya was a Member of the 
Provisional Parliament during the years 1950- 
52 and of Second and Third Lok Sabha 
from Mysore during the years 1957-67. He 
had also been a Member of the Mysore 
Legislative Council during the years 1952-56. 
An eminent lawyer, he used to take active 
interest in educational activities, community 
development work and cooperative societies. 

We deeply mourn the loss of this friend 
and I am sure the House will join me in 
conveying our condolences to the bereaved 
family. 

The Prime Minister. 

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER 
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF 
ELECTRONICS, MINISTER OF HOME 
AFFAIRS, MINISTER OF INFORMATION 
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER 
OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA 
GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker, once again, Sir, 
in fcltis session we are mourning the sad 
demise of one of our former colleagues. I 
associate myself and this House with the 
sentiments you have expressed on the passing 
away of Shri Shankaraiya. You have already 
mentiohed his membership of the Provisional 
Parliament, of the Mysore Legislative Council 
and of this House and his experience as a 
lawyer and in the field of education. Shri 
Shankaraiya began his public life m the civic 
affairs of Mysore city and he was also actively 


associated with the cooperative movement in 
Mysore. He also took special interest in 
the welfare of handloom w&vers. He was 
a dedicated worker. I think the country loses a 
servant of the people. 

I request you. Sir, to convey our, deep 
condolences to the bereaved family. 

SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE (Howrah) : 
Sir, I associate myself on behalf of my party 
with the sentiments expressed by you and the 
Prime Minister at the sad demise of Shri 
M. Shankaraiya. From the record of his 
public' life, it is evident that from his very 
early life, he was a public figure and his 
service was dedicated to constructive work. 
Naturally his loss will be a loss to the people 
who are interested in social life. I request 
you, Sir, to convey our condolences, to the 
bereaved family. 

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi* 
wash) : Once again, Sir, we have lost one of 
our old colleagues of this House. Shri 
Shankaraiya was a champion of the down- 
trodden, especially of the weaving community. 
On behalf of my party and on my owh behalf, 
1 associate myself with the feelings expressed 
by you and I request you kindly to convey 
our condolences to the bereaved family. 

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SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnagar) : Sir, 
on behalf of my party, I associate myself with 
the sentiments expressed by your good self 
and the hon. Prime Minister on the passing 
away of Shri M. Shankaraiya and requesrt you 
to convey our condolences to the be eaved 
family , 


3 Oral Answers 


AUOVSf 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 4 


PROF. MADHU DANflAYATE (Riya- 
pur) : Od behalf of the Socialist ' Party, 1 
associate myself with the tributes paid to Shri 
Shankaraiya, 1 have known him for the 
last few years. We have many politicians 
in this country but there are very few people 
who are keenly interested in educational 
activities and he was one among them. I 
again associate myself with the tribute that 
has been paid to him. I request you to convey 
the condolences of the members tp the 
bereaved family. 

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MR. SPEAKER : The House may stand 
in silence for a short while to express its 
sorrow. 

The Members then stood in silence for 
a short while 

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Schemes for Exploitation of Forests 

*363. SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Union Government are 
considering certain scheme in regard to the 
forest exploitation to the minimum to ensure 
and widen the seppe of forest development ; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features of the 
scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Forest exploitation is 
based on Working Plans, which are invariably 
prepared for each Forest Division for a period 
of 10-15 years. These plans arc prepared on 
the principles of sustained and progressive 


yield and the exploitation of fpxests is 
maintained at an optimum level. 

A number of developmental schemes have 
been undertaken to widen the scope^ of 
development of forest, consonant with the 
above principle. 

Exploitation of forest is undertaken not 
only to get maximum benefit out of the pro- 
duce but to restock the area with more 
important species for industrial and commer- 
cial uses. 

(b) A number of developmental schemes 
have been drawn up under the Five Year 
Plans as below : 

(1) Consolidation of forests including 
survey and demarcation to afford 
legal protection to the forest area. 

(2) Plantation of quick growing species. 

(3) Economic plantations for industrial 
and commercial uses. 

(4) Rehabilitation of degraded forests. 

(5) Development of Minor Forest Pro- 
ducts. 

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$ Oral Answers 


BHADRA 6; 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 6 


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SHRl G. VISHWANATHAN : 1 want to 
know from the hon. Minister whether he is 
aware of the fact that exploitation of forests 
has gone to the extent of destruction of 
forests throughout the country and, if so, 
what action is the Government going to take 
to prevent the destruction of forests. 

PROF. SHER SINGH : As I said earlier, 
we have working plans for each division and 
exploitation is done only according to those 
working plans. We take care to see that 
when we cut some trees, we also plant new 
ones and restock them by other new species. 
So, we take care that our forests wealth is not 
destroyed and, in fact, it is re-generated and 
re-stocked. 

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7 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28. 1972 


Oral Answers 9 


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SHRI JAGANNATH RAO : Casuarina 
and cashew grow in sand and are fast-growing 
trees. They are planted on the east cost of 
India. May I know whether, in the Rajas- 
than desert, to prevent forest spreading, they 
have been tried there ? 

PROF. SHfeR SINGH : I do not have 
definite information about this particular tree, 
whether this » being planted there or not. I 

& find out whether it could be grown in 
*andy areas. ‘ Kejidi 9 is grown there. 


But about this particular tree, I will find out. 
If it could be grown there and if it is a fast- 
growing tree, we shall advise the State Govern- 
ment to do this. 

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Cancer Hospitals in Metropolitan Cities 

+ 

♦364. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : 

SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of Cancer Hospitals in the 
country, State-wise ; 

(b) whether Government would like to 
extend the facilities of Cancer Hospitals in each 
of the Metropolitan cities of the country ; 
and 

(c) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) A 
statement giving the number and names of 
cancer hospitals institutions and other hospitals 
where facilities for treatment of cancer are 
available (State-wise) is laid on the Table of 
the Sabha. [ Placed in Library . See No. 
LT — 3513/72] 

(b) and (c). In all the Metropolitan cities 
of the country facilities for the treatment of 



4 Oral Answer* 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 10 


Officer already exist either in separate Cancer 
hospitals or in General Hospitais. However, 
Government have set up a Cancer Assessment 
Committee to make an assessment of 
the needs and additional requirements 
Of some of the existing institutions 
and hospitals so lhat they may be up- 
graded to Regional Cancer Research Centres. 
The report of the Committee is awaited. 

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : I find from 
the answer of the Minister that in some 
General Hospitals cancer patients are admitted 
and taken. May I know from the Minister 
whether proper equipment and specialists are 
provided for in those hospitals to treat the 
cancer patients ? 

SHRI A. K. KISKU : Yes, Sir. 

SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : When is the 
Cancer Assessment Committee likely to sub- 
mit its report ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : The Committee, I understand, 
has completed its work virtually and its report 
is expected very shortly. 

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Afzalpurkar — 
absent. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : May I ask 
the hon. Minister whether the Chittaranjan 
Cancer Hospital attached to the Government- 
controlled Cancer Research Institute in 
Calcutta offered itself to be nationalised for 
the purpose of giving full clinical facilities for 
research ? If so, what steps the Government 
have taken ? If not, the reasons thereof 7 

" THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P, 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : Yes, Sir, this offer 
has come from that Institute and the process 
of finalisation is not for us but the only thing 
is regarding the acquisition of the land and 
the concerned authority has been contacted 
in the matter and they have evinced keen and 
helpful attitude. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : He did not 
, tell me how soon he is going to finalise it. 


PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : It 
depends upon the Deshbandhu Memorial 
Trust. They are in occupation and in posses- 
sion of the land. If they help us in the 
matter, we can expedite it. 

SHRI R, S. PANDEY § : May I know 
whether it is true that some citizens of Delhi 
have approached the Health Minister in order 
to establish a cancer hospital and they have 
collected a good lot of amount 7 May I 
know whether it is true that very soon a 
cancer hospital is going to be set up in 
Delhi ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA: 
Not an independent cancer hospital, but faci- 
lities which are already available in the exist- 
ing hospitals are being periodically reviewed 
and, if necessary, they will be augmented. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : My question was 
whether some of the important citizens have 
approached the Minister in order to establish 
a cancer hospital and for that they have collec- 
ted money also 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : The 
proposals regarding the private cancer hospital 
have hot been yet received in the Ministry. 

SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA HAL- 
DER : I want to know from the Minister 
the present condition of the Chittaranjan 
Cancer Hospital Calcutta and whether the 
Government is going to sanction adequate 
funds for smooth running of the hospital. 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA I 
think we have already answered it. 

MR. SPEAKER : This was the question 
put by Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu. Mr Lakkappa— 
I am very happy that ygu have come back. 

SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : The facilities 
extended in the existing hospitals given in the 
statement are not adequate so far as com- 
bating the disease of widespread cancer is 
concerned. Sometimes, it is very difficult to 
get proper treatment because of lack of faci- 
lities and other things. In view of this, I 
want to know whether the Government of 
India which has appointed an expert com- 
mittee to go into all aspects of this, have 
asked for any help from the World Health 



11 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 12 


Organisation. If so, what , are the broad 
features of the help that has been extended for 
the establishment of a cancer institute in the 
country 7 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADAYAYA ; 
There is no such proposal at the moment. 
But, about the inadequacy, as we have already 
pointed out, a committee is seized of the 
matter and, as soon as the report of the 
committee is submitted, we wilfcproccss it and 
will act accordingly. 

SHRI D. BASUMATAR1 : Some of the 
benevolent people of Gauhati and Assam 
started a cancer hospital with great project to 
commemorate eminent doctors and honour the 
great freedom fighter, namely, late Dr. Barua. 
In this connection, may I know whether the 
Government has been approached for financial 
aid 7 If so, what is the attitude of the Govern- 
ment in this regard ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
We are not aware of any such proposal being 
referred to the Government ; if it is so, we 
will look into it. 

DR. KAILAS : He said that adequate 
facilities are available in the different metro- 
politan towns. In the cancer hospital. 

Bombay, the number of patients is very large ; 
they cannot cope up with the treatment there. 
Is there a proposal at an advanced stage in 
Nagpur where a cancer hospital has already 
been established in the Nagpur Medical 
College Campus, for which an import licence 
for cobalt machine has been applied for and 
if so, why it has not been sanctioned ? This 
is to lessen the load in the different hospitals, 
not only in Bombay, but all over the country. 
Is the Government aware of the number of 
cancer patients and the type of facilities 
present in different hospitals, especially in 
Bombay ? « 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
It is a broad and general question. We have 
not said that this is adequate. With increase 
in the number of patients, adequacy also 
changes. We have provided certain facilities 
and other facilities are under consideration. 
We have already said that when this Com- 
mittee submits its report we will see what 
added facilities are needed. 


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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI D. P. 
CHATTOPADHAYA) : (a) to (c). A state- 
ment is laid on the Table of House. 

Statement 

(a) to (c). The Slum Clearance/ Improve- 
ment Scheme, which was started in 1956 as 
a Centrally sponsored scheme, was transferred 
to the State Sector from the 1st April, 1969. 
Since that date. Central assistance is provided 
to the State Governments in the shape of 
•‘block loans” and “block grants” for all the 
State Sector Schemes taken together. The 
amount of funds utilised by the Government 
of Rajasthan during 1969-70, 1970 71 *and 
1971-72 for Slum Clearance/Improvement 
Scheme, out of the block assistance provided 
to them by the Government of India, is not 
known. 

A new Central scheme for environmental 
improvement of slum areas has been started 
in April 1972, This provides cent per cent 
grant assistance for improvements in slum 
areas in 11 cities in the country, each having 
a population of not less than 8 lakhs. A 
proposal for providing such assistance for 



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13 Oral Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers M 


improvement works in three bustets in Jaipur 
has been received from the Government of 
Rajasthan on the 19 August, 1972. At pre- 
sent, Jaipur is not covered by the scheme. 
The questioq of providing separate financial 
assistance for these works in Jaipur does not, 
therefore, arise. 

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PROF D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : The 
schemes are covered by State Government’s 
plans. Slum clearance and improvement 
schemes were under the State plans upto 
1960. During that period the question of 
giving Central assistance did not arise After 
that time, we are providing now olock grants 
and Block Joans. Only a few days back, only on 
19th August, 1972 we have received some defi- 
nite projects from the Rajasthan Government. 
This was only a few days back. They are 
being looked into It has come only a week 
before. 

SHRI M C. DAGA : How much assis- 
tance the Central Government has given for 
Rajasthan Slum Clearence Scheme, may be 
in some other form ? You have said, you 
are giving. 

MR. SPEAKER : He is clear about it. 
His position is that till 1969 they had no such 
plan and that was under the State Govern- 
ments. After that, the Centre has recently 
done this. 

SHRI K.S. CHAVDA : From 1956 lo 
1969 it was a Central Government Scheme . . 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND HOU- 
SING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA- 
NNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT) : 
I don’t think we are asked to given the entire 
history of the assistance ; the question is 
about what assistance has been given recently. 

MR. SPEAKER : For the last three 
years, 

SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : Up 
till now, the decision of the Government 
applies only to 11 metropolitan centres. Jaipur 


is not included in it. In the list Housing 
Ministers' Conference the concensus was that 
there should be at least one such city in each 
State. If that is accepted, Jaipur would then 
qualify for it. This question has been refer 
red to the Planning Commission. It is now 
under consideration. f 

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SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : The queslion 
is eniirely defferent. It is not as if it relates 
to a period of three years only. If you see 
part (a) of the question, it reads thus : 

“whether the Rajasthan Government have 
asked the Central Government for finan- 
cial assistance for the improvement of slums 
in the State 

So, no period has been mentioned in this... 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him ask his ques- 
tion now. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : The statement 
says 

"The amount of funds utilised by the 
Government of Rajasthan during 1969-70, 
1970 71 and 1971-72 for Slum clearance/ 
Improvement Scheme, out of the block 
assistance provided to them by the Go- 
vernment of India, is not known". Know- 
ing full well that the States are not in- 
terested or are reluctant to implement the 
slum clearance scheme, may I know why 
the Centrally sponsoied scheme has been 
transfered to the State sector ? 



15 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 16 


SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : 
The boo. Minister should be aware that it is 
the National Development Council which 
decides these matters in consultation with the 
Chief Ministers of the States, and it is on 
that basis that block grants and block loans 
system was approved. The idea was that 
even in health matters, where we were giving 
subsidy or loan, whether to divert them to 
other schemes or not, was a matter within 
the discretion of the State Go&rnment. I do 
not know how that question arises, but in any 
case, at that time, the Central Government 
had not undertaken any scheme of slum im- 
provement. The Slum improvement is an 
entirely recent scheme. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : No, Sir, The 
hon. Minister is misguiding the House. The 
Centre had started first... 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry. There 
can be no argument and no debate on it 
now. 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : According to the 
statement of the hon. Minister, the Central 
scheme for improvement of slum areas has 
been made applicable only to 11 cities in the 
country. May I know which are those 11 
cities ? Do Government have any proposal 
to extend the scheme to other cities also ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : 
There are eleven cities, and I shall lay the 
names on the Table of the House. 

DR. H. P. SHARMA : In view of the 
avowed policy of Government to reduce the 
disparity between regions and regions, may I 
know why once again Government are taking 
technical shelter behind the population... 

MR. SPEAKER Let him ask his 
question straight. 

DR. H. P. SHARMA : Once again, 
they are taking shelter behind the technical 
difficulty of population, and once again the 
under-developed region is being pushed towards 
further ackwardness, in avowal of their 
policy, would Government reconsider and see 
that at least one city in each State should be 
given its due share. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is already covered. 


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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) to 
(c). A statement is laid on the table of the 
Sabha. 

Statement 

Central Government employees have to 
produce medical certificates from the Compe- 
tent Medical Authority at the time of recruit- 
ment as well as for leave on medical certifi- 
cates. Under the existing rules medical 
certificates issued by registered Ayurvedic, 
Unani or Homoeopethic medical practitioners 
i.e. by registered Vaids, Hakims and 
Homoeopathic are accepted for purposes of 
grant of leave on medical grounds and grant 
of fitness certificate to return to duty etc. 
provided such certificates are accepted for the 
relevant put pose in respect of its own emplo- 
yees, by the Government of the State in which 
the Central Government servant falls ill or to 
which he proceeds for treatment. Regarding 
gazetted and non-gazetted Central Government 



iil Oral Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1S94 ( SAKA ) 


Oral Answers 18 


employees posted in places covered by C. G. 
* H.S., certificates from the Authorised Medi- 
cal Attendant in a C.G H.S. Dispensary 
irrespective of the system of medicine to which 
he may belong, are acceptable. 

2. As regards medical certificate of fit- 
ness for purposes of recruitment into Govern- 
ment service, a certificate from a Medical 
Board in the case of Gazetted officers, Civil 
Surgeon or a District Medical Officer in the 
case of non-gazetted Government servants 
(other than Class IV), in the case of class IV 
Government servants, from the Authorised 
Medical Attendant possessing a medical 
qualification included is one of the Schedules 
to the Indian Medical Council Act 1956 (102 
of 1956) and, where there is no such Autho- 
rised Medical Attendant, from a Government 
Medical Officer of the nearest dispensary or 
hospital possessing the said qualification, is 
required to be produced by the candidates. 

3. Life Insurance Corporation of India 
accepts certificates issued by registered medi- 
cal practitioners, allopathic, ayurvedic, unani 
and Homoeopathic doctors for granting leave 
on medical grounds to its employees. How- 
ever for purposes of recruitment, selected 
candidates are referred to allopathic doctors 
who are on the panel maintained for examin- 
ing the proponents of Life Insurance, the 
reason being that sufficient number of allo- 
pathic doctors are available at the Divisional 
headquarters where recruitment is normally 
done. 

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : There is no ques- 


tion of discrimination, because certificates are 
allowed and accepted for different purposes, 
such as grant of leave and grant of fitness 
and for recruitment So far as grant of leave 
and grant of fitness are concerned, many 
State Governments and Departments treat 
the certificates from practitioners of indi- 
genous systems at par with those given by 
allopaths but in matters Q>f recruitment by 
the L1C. for administrative reasons, because 
of their own difficulties and other problems, 
they insist gn certificates from allopathic 
doctors, but not in all cases. So, the question 
of discrimination does not arise. 

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sr fair i 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : In 
answer to the first part of the question, it 
has been unequovically stated that for pur- 
poses of grant of leave or fitness certificates, 
there is no discrimination between homoeo- 
pathy and other indigenous systems practi- 
tioners and allopaths. But only m some par- 
ticular aspect by particular departments, LIC, 
for instance, there is some difference —I do 
not say discrimination —for the administra- 
tive reason of availability of adequate numbers 
of allopathic doctors in those areas. So the 
question of discrimination does not arise. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : In reply to a 
question, the Minister replied that there is no 
discrimination so far as leave or fitness certi- 
ficate is concerned, whether it is issued by a 
homoepath or allopath. Is he aware that 
there is discrimination in some States in 
regard to the acceptance of certificates issued 
by homoeopaths ? In Madhya Pradesh, it is 
accepted ; in UP it is not. Will uniform 
orders be issued to all State Governments in 
this regard ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA 
We cannot readily be informed of detailed: 



19 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 20 


instructions by different Stftie Governments 
all over the country. ( 

1 1 

Proposal from Andhra PradeA to amend Land 
Acquisition Att 

*367. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether State Governn&ent of Andhra 
Pradesh have requested the Central Govern- 
ment to undertake suitable amendment of 
the Land Acquisition Act to enable speedy and 
easier acquisition of land for house sites to 
agricultural labour ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of the Government 
thereto 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No. Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

I may add on the basis of information 
just received that the Andhra Pradesh Go- 
vernment says that the Act which is in force 
there provides for taking possession of any 
land under sec. 17- special powers m case of 
emergency and urgency inter alia for any 
dwelling house for the poor. 

SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : Has 
the attention of Government been drawn to 
the recent debate in the Andhra Pradesh 
Assembly where the specific question of land 
acquisition procedure being a hurdle in the 
way of acquisition has been raised and the 
Minister gave an assurance that the Central 
Government would be approached for neces- 
sary amendment in this regard 7 

« 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : The 
bon. Member should know that land acquisi- 
tion is a concurrent subject falling under the 
Seventh List. The State Goeernment is em- 
powered to enact legislation and we will extend 
all necessary support. There should be no 
difficulty. But according to the information 
I have, there is already sec. 17 of the Andhra 
Land Acquisition Act which empowers the 
State Goverment to acquire land under an 
emergency clause for pooprer sections of 
society. 


SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : In 
view of the clarification and the assurance 
by the Minister that he would help in regard 
to amendment, if necessary, may I know 
whether Government are satisfied with the 
pace of progress in this important direction 
and if this procedural hurdle is there, will he 
take steps to shorten the procedure and take 
such other steps also as necessary for expe- 
diting acquisition of sites for agricultural 
labour ? 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : If any 
State Government wants to go ahead with 
land acquisition legislation to simplify proce- 
dure, we will support it. As far as the 
Centre is concerned, recently a Committee 
headed by Shn Mulla known as the Land 
Acquisition Review Committee, went into the 
entire problem and made very voluminous re- 
commendations. We are consulting State Go- 
vernments and on the basis of that, we would 
take some action. 

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f¥*TT ? 

SHRI ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE : I 
referred to section 17 of the Andhra Pradesh 
Land Acquisition Act. I have no information. 
With proper notice, it should be possible to 
get the information from the Andhra Pradesh 
Government. 

Correlating Education to Job Opportunities 

+ 

*368 SHRI ARVIND NETAM : 

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Joint workshop on Emp- 
loyment Generation organised by the Expert 
Committee on Unemployment, in collaboration 
with the International Labour Organisation, 
has asked the Government and the Planning 
Commission to devise ways and means to 
correlate education to job opportunities; and 



4 Oral Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 {SAKA) Oral Answers 22 


(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
The Report of the Joint Workshopjon Employ- 
ment Generation has been submitted to the 
Expert Committee on Unemployment and is 
under its consideration. Government will, in 
due course, examine the proposals when recei- 
ved from the Committee. 

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for *r for irwftr *r ^ 1 1 
ff irrfPTta wit w^for % simr 

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sfar *btt ?r> tffaT *nnr aftr 
3tt% srrcft fort? ^ | 

afk wr wtwt ^ site rt 

amt fort# 79T % fwer 1 1 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : This 
committee has not been set up by the Ministry 
of Education, but I have no doubt that my 
colleague will be taking all suitable steps to 
see that the report is received as early as 
possible. 

SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : May I 
know whether the Government is considering 
to overhaul the educational system in India 
so that the new system of education would be 
such that the problem of the educated unem- 
ployed — the problem of unemployment among 
the educated classes — is removed and, if so, 
whather any legislation is being proposed in 
this regard ? 

MR. SPEAKER : You asked a specific 
question, but now you are going off the scope 
of your question. This is a very specific ques- 
tion. Anyway, if you can just tell him — 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : It it is 
desired that I may discuss the whole question 
of educational reform— 

MR. SPEAKER : That may be done some 
other time. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : I would 
be glad to do it if I am asked to do it, 


SHRI D. D. DESAI : What are the terms 
of reference to the committee, and may I know 
whether the committee would be going into the 
aspect of training people on the basis of job- 
oriented requirements, particularly taking 
into account the shortages that exist in several 
fields of jobs ? ^ 

PROF. S NURUL HASAN : I am 
afraid I cannot deal with the wider issue of 
unemployment Tn the country. But so far as 
the joint workshop is concerned, it was held 
from the 2nd to the 7th August, 1972. 

MR. SPEAKER : His question is, what 
are the terms of reference to the committee. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : As I sub- 
mitted, it is not my Ministry. 

SHRI. B. V. NAIK : In regard to this 
Expert Committee on Unemployment which 
has been working during the period of our 
employment or unemployment crisis for the 
last 12 months, and has been trying to find 
out— 

MR. SPEAKER : Ask your question. 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : I am only asking 
whether the Ministry of Education, in view of 
the recommendations made by this joint 
workshop on employment generation, is at 
least dealing with those recommendations 
which pertain to the Ministry of Education, 
and will the Expert Committee on Unemploy- 
ment— 

MR. SPEAKER When will you come to 
the question ? 

SHRI B. V. NAIK : Does it mean that 
the Ministry of Education and Labour will 
not take a decision for solving the problem of 
unemployment till they relieve the propsals, or, 
will they apply their mind to this particular 
aspect in between, for twelve months ? 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : There was 
a very specific question on the joint workshop. 
The joint workshop was not convened under 
the auspices of the Ministry of Education. 
It was convened at the instance of the Ex- 
pert Committee on Unemployment, in collabo- 
ration with the ILO. There were four prob- 
lems which they discussed. The matter is be- 
fore the Committee, the Expert Committee on 



23 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 24 


Unemployment, and when tfteir recommenda- 
tions are received, we will Certainly consider 
it, but on our own, the Ministry of Education 
is very much concerned with this question. At 
the meeting of the Centra! Advisory Board 
of Education which is to be held in September 
we hope that the Education Ministers of vari- 
ous States will be able to take some decision. 

Opening of Tribal Blocks, in Adivasi Regions 

*372. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH ; 
Will the Minsiter of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the criteria followed in opening Tribal 
Blocks in Adivasi regions ; 

(b) once sanctioned the obstacles in 
opening of Tribal Blocks ; and 

(c) why are some Tribal Blocks in Sidhi 
District of Madhya Pradesh yet to open 
when they have been sanctioned ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P 
YADAV) : (a) The criteria for opening new 
Tribal Development Blocks are : — 

(i) Area of 150-200 Sq. miles ; 

(ii) total population of 25,000 ; 

(iii) tribal concentration of 66|% ; 

(iv) viability to function as a normal ad- 
ministrative unit. 

(b) All sanctioned Tribal Development 
Blocks except one Swalmenda (District Betul) 
in Madhya Pradesh have been started State 
Government of Madhya Pradesh could not 
open the block as they have not been able to 
demarcate the boundaries of the block. 

(c) The only Tribal Development Block 
sanctioned for Sidhi District was started in 
1966-67 and is functioning since then. 

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : The 
criteria for setting up a tribal development 
block apply to this also. I should like to ask 
the Minister when the blocks that are func- 


tioning as normal blocks but fulfil all this 
criteria will be converted into tribal blocks 
catering to the specialised needs of the 
tribals ? 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : So far as tribal 
blocks are concerned definitely they get pre- 
ference over general blocks and recently we 
have given approximately Rs 7 laksh extra 
over the general blocks. Therefore the ques- 
tion of neglecting them does not arise 

SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : My 
question was not about neglect. I asked whe- 
ther the normal blocks that fulfil the criteria 
for becoming tribal would be converted into 
tribal blocks ? 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : The Planning 
Commission has set up a panel for socio eco- 
nomic problems of Scheduled Tribes. This 
panel has recommended that instead of ex- 
panding the number of tribal blocks we 
should further strengthen the existing ones. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : What is the 
precise reason for holding up the opening up 
of Swalmenda block in Betul District when it 
conforms to the criteria mentioned by the 
hon Minister ? Is he in a position to assure 
the House that when this block is opened it 
will be without disturbing the other existing 
tribal blocks ? 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : It is in M. P. that 
the maximum number of tribal development 
blocks exist ; about 127 were sanctioned out 
of which 126 are working. Unfortunately 
only one block could not be taken up. The 
Government of India was sympathetic to it 
but the Planning Commission has come 
forward with a formula to strengthen the exis* 
ting blocks. 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Is this the ans- 
wer to my question ? I seek your protection. 
He is enumerating that so many blocks had 
already been opened. My question is : when 
it conforms to the criteria laid down, why is 
it that you are not opening it up ? I want 
the reason. 

PROF. S. NURUL HASAN : The reply 
has been given by my colleague already that 
they have not been able to demarcate the 
boundaries of the block. 



25, Oral Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 {SaKA) 


Oral Answers 26 


SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Is that the cri- 
teria why a block is not to be opened ? 

MR. SPEAKER Please do not get 
excited. 

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O 

Fqqm ir aft Tifw Jiq qmfl § qq 
q>r ft f 0 mq anFmanFq fqqwwf 
f^T sriwr | ? 

SHRI D, P. YADAV . This is a specific 
question for which 1 shall need notice. 

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TRT | I 

MR SPEAKER : The question is, while 
administering these blocks which have come 
into existence, do you share the expenditure 
with State Government ? 

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*rsq qrqnff qt feqr | q? qR^ % fan? 
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SHRI B. S. MURTHY : May I know 
whether all the areas which have fulfilled the 


criteria enumerated by the minister have 
been covered by tribal blocks and if not, 
why not ? 

SHRI D. P # YADAV : I think I have 
answered it earlier. 

SHRI D BASUMATARI : May I know 
whether the Ministers* attention has been 
drawn to the * report submitted by the 
Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and Sche- 
duled Tribes in regard to tribal blocks, where 
it is specifically stated that the objective of 
opening tribal blocks— their number is about 
489- has been frustrated and in the name of 
tnbals, other people are getting the benefit ? 
In such a case, what is the protection Govern- 
ment are giving to the tribals to develop from 
such exploitation ? 

PROF. S NURUL HASAN : This is a 
general question about the development of 
scheduled tribes. I would be quite prepared 
to answer any specific question he may put. 
This is with regard to the tribal developments 
blocks in M. P. 

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qrcm qT?m f f% mmftq qqt q^tqq ^ ft 
qq^ ir q^ fm 127 qq | qt q? sn»q 
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f^mq; qrtqif qRat | ? 

MR. SPEAKER : In case it is not imple- 
mented, do you ’have some powers to ensure 
that they do not waste ’it and they spend it 
rightly ? 

ito 

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q? 127 goq Fqq-Fqq sfafi ir 1 1 ^ srqq 



27 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Oral Answers 28 


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*nrr i Rwr «?r fftmrar ftm* i 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY Please allow me 
to put a question. 

MR SPEAKER : I have not allowed you 
yet. 

« 

SHRI. R. S. PANDEY : There are many 
members here who are requesting you to 
permit me to put a question : 

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am | ? 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : I come from a 
constituency, half the population of which is 
Adibasi.... 

MR. SPEAKER : Do you think it adds 
to the decorum of the House if you do like 
this ? H <R 4Wt ftftt STTcT nf 

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ft artf <fe <?£, aft? mr am gmaft 
ftft arc t| | ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I am sorry, he is going 
quite beyond the scope of the question. 

Release of ‘Kapurthala Plot’, New Delhi 
to Kerala Government 

+ 

*373. SHRIN SREEKANTAN NAIR : 
SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether *Kapurthala Plot' belonging 
to the Government of Kerala has been released 
as requested by that Government ; and 

(b) if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Land 
measuring 2.164 acres out of the Kapur thala 
Plot has been released to the Government of 
Kerala for the establishment of a Higher 
Secondary School by the Kerala Education 
Society. The remaining portion of the land 
will be released on its vacation by the Security 
Police Lines of the Delhi Administration, with 
whom the matter is being pursued. 

SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR : In view 
of the fact that the high school has been 
established and it is running very well, will 
the Government see to it that the plot is made 
available as early as possible ? 

PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : As 
I said, the matter is being pursued and we 
shall try to settle it as early as possible. 

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*374. «ft J4m*m4JOTW : 44T fsisu 
aft? miar f^mr iftft ^ ararft 4ft f4T 
4Rft f4> : 

(4r) 44T fora |»rf?rcr ?nft? 



Oral Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Oral Answers 30 


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31 Oral Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 32 


Inquiry into Assets possessed by Former 
Chairman of Delhi Milk Scheme 

*SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA PAN- 
DEY : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un- 
starred Question No. 1745 on the 3rd April, 
1972 regarding jsnquiry into property of ex- 
Chairman of Delhi Milk Scheme and state ; 

(a) the present position regarding the 
inquiry made into the disprefcortionate assets 
possessed by the former Chairman, Delhi 
Milk Scheme ; and 

(b) the action taken or proposed to be 
taken against this Officer ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) The preliminary enquiry 
by Central Bureau of Investigation has been 
completed and their report is under examina- 
tion of the Central Vigilance Commission. 

(b) The stage for action by Government 
has not yet been reached. 

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RE. SHORT NOTICE QUESTION NO. 4 

MR. SPEAKER : Short Notice Question 
No. 4 — Dr. Ranen Sen. He is not here. 
Then we go to the Culling Attention Notice. 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEB : Sir if the train 
is late, what will happen ? Will it not be 
postponed and taken up tomorrow ? He was 
to come today by train. Kindly postpone it 
to some other day. 

MR. SPEAKER : It is all right; it is an 
important subject. 

Calling Attention Notice— Shri Shamnan- 
dan Mishra. 

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS 

Sinking of a Freighter “Daroodar Mandovi” 
in Arbian Sea 

*361. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI MUHAM MED SHERIFF : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether a freighter, “Damodar 
Mandovi” sank in the Arabian Sea recently ; 
if so, the number of persons drowned ; 

(b) whether any enquiry has been made ; 
and 

(c) if so, the results thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) Yes, 

Sir. The freighter sank on 29th July 1972. 
31 members of the crew are still missing. 

(b) and (c). An enquiry under Section 359 
of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1958, is in 
progress. It is expected to be concluded 
shortly. 

Loss sustained by F.C.I. 

*362. SHRI V. MAYA VAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the percentage of operational loss 
permissible in the Food Corporation of 
India ; 

(b) the actual loss during the previous 
year and the factors leading to abnormal 
losses, if any ; and 



33 Written Answers 


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Written Answers 34 


(c) the remedial measures taken to pre- connection from there 12” main along Udyan 
vent such losses ? Marg, which serves the following quarters 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) A state- 
ment indicating the powers of officers of the- 
Food Corporation of India to accord ‘write 
off* sanction with the concurrence of their 
Finance Division is laid on the Table of the 
Sabha (Statement I) [Placed in Library . See 
No. LT — 3514/72] 


Type 

No. of quarters 

Type I 

... • 64 

Type II 

192 

Type III 

168 

• 


Total 424 


(b) During the year 1970-71 agains a total 
purchase and sales turnover of Rs. 1413 
crores, the transit, storage and voyage losses 
were about Rs. 15 crores. Abnormal losses 
occurred in certain specific cases for the 
reason(s) given in the Statement laid on Table 
of the Sabha (Statement II). [Placed in 
Library . See No LT— 3514/72] 

(c) The steps which have been and/or are 
being taken by the Corporation to ensure 
that the losses are brought lo the minimum 
are indicated in the Statement laid on the 
Table of the Sabha (Statement III). [ Placed 
in Library . See No. LT— 3514/72] 

Scarcity ef water in D.I.Z. area in 
New Delhi 

•369. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW- 
DHURY : 

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMI : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any sanction was asked from 
the N.D.M.C. and accorded for supply of 
water to 192 quarters of Type II and 168 
quarters of Type III in DIZ area, New Delhi ; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; and 

(c) if not, the steps taken by Government 
in getting the sanction from the N.D.M.C. 
at the earliest and remove the scarcity of water 
in the area ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The New Delhi Municipal Committee 
sanctioned on 17th June, 1971 a 3 inch T 


(c) Does not arise. 

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Land held by Members of Board of 
Directors of Tarai Development 
Corporation and Operation 
of Ceiling Law 

♦371. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred 
Question No. 4240 on the 8th July, 1971 
regarding Tarai Development Corporation 
and state how Land owned by members of the 
Board of Directors of the Tarai Development 
Corporation escaped the existing limit of land 
ceiling in th U.P. State ? 



35 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 3d 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The imple- 
mentation of the “Uttar Pradesh Imposition 
of ^Ceiling on Land Holdings Act, I960’* is 
entirely the responsibility of the State Govern- 
ment. A statement prepared on the basis of 
information furnished by the State Govern- 
ment is laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

u 

Staten\ent 

In answer to Part (a) of Unstarred Lok 
Sabha Question No. 4240 answered on the 
8'h July, 1971 it was stated that there were six 
farmers on the Board of Directors of the 
Tarai Development Corporation. Three of 
these farmers have since retired and three 
continue on the Board of Directors. The 
Members of the Tarai Development Corpora- 
tion were not required to disclose to the 
Corporation the total area of land held by 
them. Each Member was required to indi- 
cate only the area of land held by himself 
and his associates and the area that they 
would utilise for growing seeds, The informa- 
tion furnished to the Tarai Seeds Corporation 
by the three farmers who are still on the 
Board of Directors is given below : 


S. Name of Director Area held 

No. by him 

and his 
associates 
in acres 


Shri Gurbaj Singh 

Though he had indicated in his applica- 
tion to the Tarai Development Corporation 
that he and his associates held 200 acres of 
land, the State Government has reported that 
Shri Gurbaj Singh himself holds only 47 
bighas and 17 Biswas of land as member of 
a Cooperative Society. As there is some doubt 
about the total area of land heid by him, the 
Collector of the District has started an inquiry 
into the matter. 

Shri P. N . Mehta 

In his application made to the Corpora- 
tion Shri Mehta had indicated that he and 
his associatss held 31 acres of land. Accord- 
ing to the information furnished by the State 
Government Shri Mehta holds in all 53,34 
acres of land. It has been reported that 
Shri Mehta does not hold land in excess of 
the ceiling applicable to him under the existing 
law. 

Shri K. N. Aggarwal 

Shri K. N. Aggarwal has I /6th share in 
a farm known as Prag Agricultural Farm 
which holds 3,879 84 acres of land. The 
share of Shri K. N. Aggarwal has been com- 
puted at 646.64 acres. Of the total area of 
land held by Shri Aggarwal and others of the 
Prag Agricultural Farm, 1520.24 acres has 
been declared as surplus. They have, how- 
ever, obtained astay order and the matter is 
still pending in the High Court. 


1. Shri Gurbaj Singh and Asso- 
ciates, Village Sarowarnagar, 

P.O. Matkhera, District 
Rampur. 200 

2. Shri P.N. Mehta and Asso- 

ciates, Sitarampur Farm, 
Kashipur, District Nainital. 31 

3. Shri K. N, Aggarwal and 
Associates Prag Agricultural 
Farm, P. O. Gokulnagar, 

Tehsil Kichha, District 
Nainital. 3,800 


Information about land owned by these 
persons and the application of the ceiling law 
<o them has been obtained from the Govern- 
ment of Uttar Pradesh, and is given below : 


Persons died of starvation 
during 1970 to 1972 

*375 SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state the number of persons who died of 
starvation. State-wise, during 1970, 1971 and 
January to July, 1972 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : All cases of 
death which are alleged to have taken place 
due to starvation are invariably referred to 
the respective State Governments for enquiry 
and report. According to the reports received 
from the State Governments, there has been 
no death due to starvation during 1970, 1971 
and 1972. 



1 37 Written Answers 


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Written Answers 38 


Self-sufficiency in Insecticides 

*377. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state the number and names of the States and 
Union Territories which are self-sufficient in 
insecticides used for agricultural and horti-. 
cultural purpose and in a position to supply 
it to other States in the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : It is not clear 
from the Question whether the member is 
referring to self-sufficiency in production or 
availability. The position in respect of pro- 
duction and availability in pesticides is as 
follows. The manufacturing and formulating 
units are located in a number of States. 
Medium and large manufacturing units of 
technical grade material of pesticides, are 
located in a few States, who are required to 
distribute at least 50% of their total produc- 
tion to non-associates and small industrial 
units. 

The Government of India takes steps to 
ensure that the pesticides are available in 
sufficient quantities and in time in the 
country. The State Governments estimate 
their requirements m advance and arrange 
supplies through various agencies including 
private trade. Currently 39 different kinds of 
pesticides are manufactured in the country and 
the industry has been considered a core 
industry, and all Government support and 
encouragement is given to increase the pro- 
duction, so that adequate supply of pesticides 
is maintained in the country. Pesticides 
which are not yet manufactured in the country 
and which are required for plant protection 
are being imported in sufficient quantities. By 
and large the position of supply of pesticides 
for the year 1972-73 in the States and Union 
Territories is satisfactory. 

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Drinking Water in Gujarat State 

*379. SHRI P. M MEHTA : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN- 
NING be pleased to state : 

(a) whther the Gujarat State is the only 
State where large number of villages have not 
been provided drinking water, so far ; 

(b) if so, the total number of villages 
which have not been provided drinking 
water ; 

, (c) how many villages amoug them will be 
covered during the Fourth Plan and how 
many villages will be provided drinking water 
facilities during the Fifth Five Year Plan ; 
and • 

(d) whether funds will be made available 
to the State for providing drinking water faci- 
lities to these villages during the Fifth Five 
Year Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b). At the beginning of 
the Fourth Plan there were about 3,000 
villages in Gujarat without a source of drink- 
ing water either within a distance of one 



39 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 40 


mite or witbin a depth of 50'^ The situation 
in many other States in t m respect is either 
similar or worse. 

(c) During the Fourth Plan it is expected 
that about 1,200 of these villages will be 
provided with water ( supply. Since the State’s 
five year plan has not yet been formulated, it 
is not possible at this stage to state how many 
more villages will be covered during the Fifth 
Plan, but according to a persp&tive Plan for 
1974 — 84 prepared by the State Government 
1,500 villages are proposed to be covered in 
the Fifth Plan. 

(d) The normal Central assistance to 
States is expected to continue during the Fifth 
Five Year Plan. 

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Opening of Central School at l.N.A. Colony, 
^ New Delhi 

s 

9580, SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : 
WM the Minister of EDUCATION AND 


SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central School Organisa- 
tion is opening a new Central School at 
l.N.A, Colony, New Delhi, if so, whether the 
School will have all the eleven classes ; 

(b) number of sections each class will 
have ; and 

(c) the number of students that have 
appeared in the Admission Test conducted 
during the last week of July, 1972 for each 
class and the number of students that have 
qualified in each class and the number actually 
admitted to each class ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir. To start with, 

the school will have only Classes I to VII. 

(b) Each class will have the following 
number of sections : 


Class I 

2 Sections 

Class II 

2 Sections 

Class III 

1 Section 

Class IV 

1 Section 

Class V 

1 Section 

Class VI 

2 Sections 

Class VII 

1 Section 

(c) 



Class 

No. of students 
appeared 

No. of 
students 
qualified 

No. of 
students 
admitted 

I 

__ * 


67 

II 

199 

80 

71 

III 

139 

92 

34 

IV 

143 

97 

32 

V 

131 

64 

34 

VI 

91 

61 

61 

VII 

62 

42 

36 


♦Admissions to Class I have been made on 
the basis of a combined test that was held 



4 Written Answers bhadra 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Antwers 42 


fot all local Kendriya Vidyalayas on 7th May, 
1972, Since there were several children who 
qualified in the test, but could not get admis- 
sion on account of limited number of seats 
available in the existing local Kendria 
Vidyalayas, it was decided not to hold any 
fresh admission test for Class I in the LN.A. 
Kendriya Vidyalaya, but to take children 
from out of those quialified in the test held on 
7th May, 1972. The total number of students 
admitted to Class I in I.N.A. Kendriya Vidya- 
laya is 67. 

Opening of more sections of various classes 
in Central School, I.N.A. Colony, 

New Delhi 

3581. SHRI S. D. SOMASUNDARAM : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central School Organisa- 
tion have decided to have only one Section 
in each of the seven classes in the new 
Central School to be opened at I.N.A. Colony. 
New Delhi ; 

(b) whether the Central School Organisa- 
tion and the Ministry have received represen- 
tations from the parents of the students who 
appeared in the Addmission Test conducted 
during the last week of July, 1972 requesting 
for adding more sections in each of the seven 
classes in that school to accommodate all 
those students who qualify in the admission 
test ; and 

(c) if so, the decision of Government 
thereon ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) The new Kendriya Vidyalaya 
(Central School) in the I.N.A. Colony, New 
Delhi will have the following sections : 


Class 


No. of Sections 

I 


Two 

II 


Two 

III 


One 

IV 


One 

V 


One 

VI 


Two 

VII 


One 


(b) and (c). Representations were received 
by the Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan (Central 
School Organisation) from the parents of 
the students for opening more sections to 
accommodate students who have qualified in 
the admission test. But due to limited phys- 
cal facilities, it is not possible for the 
Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathatf to open more 
sections. 

Policy of Realignment of Agricultural 
Finance to New Ceiling Laws 

3582. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose 
to realign the policies governing agri- 
cultural financing to the new ceiling laws so 
that a 35,000/- worth tractor can be purchas- 
ed by a farmer ; 

(b) if so, the salient features of such 
policies and 

(c) if not, how will the tractors being 
produced in the country be sold ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). 
The lending policy of financing institutions 
take into account mainly the repaying capa- 
city based on incremental income of a farmer 
or a group of farmers for the grant of a loan. 
The repaying capacity is related to the acreage 
cultivated, crops grown, technology applied 
etc, The leading institutions are providing 
loans to individual farmers or groups of far- 
mers or co-operatives or other institutions 
like agro-industries corporations for purchas- 
ing. tractors indigenous or otherwise. The 
programme of issue of long-term loans by the 
Land Development Banks, Agricultural Refi- 
nance Corporation and Commercial Banks, 
is being stepped up every year to meet 
the growing credit need# of agriculture. 

Second Shift in Medical Colleges in 
Delhi 

3583. SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN- 
NING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken any 
steps to have second shift in Medical Colleges, 
in Delhi as urged by the 100-member deputa- 
tion of Delhi Parents Assosiation on 30th 
July, 1972 ; and 



43 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 44 


(b) if so, the fcroad outlines thereof and 
the steps taken by ^Government in this 
regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE JN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS ANlS HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. It is 
not proposed to have a second shi f t in medi- 
cal colleges in Delhi. * 

(b) Does not arise. 

Help to Fanners consequent on lowering 
of Land Ceiling 

3584. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 

SHRl G. Y KRISHNAN : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state the steps Government propose 
to take in the nature of recommendation to 
States to help the farmers who shall lose their 
livelihood due to lowering of land ceilings to 
rehabilitate themselves ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : Land owners 
will retain ownership of land up to the ceiling 
limit. They will also receive compensation 
for the lands vested in the State. There is 
no question of the farmers loosing their 
livelihood. 

Considerations for fixing Ceiling on Land 
by Central Land Reforms Committee 

3585. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE " be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Land Reform 
Committee considered the (i) cost of essential 
commodities needed by an average farmer, 
(ii) education expenditure on farmer's children 
especially College and University education 
and (iii) medical expenses needed by an ave- 
rage family while fixing the ceiling on land ; 
and 

(b) if so, the details of such consideration 
viz., what quantum was accepted on each 
item as being a normal expenditure ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 


ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
Various considerations weighed with the 
Central Land Reforms Committed while fixing 
ceiling on land holdings e g. the extent to 
which an average family can personally culti- 
vate, the area that can be cultivated by a pair 
of bullocks etc. It was not considered practi- 
cable to have the level of ceiling on a certain 
minimum level of farm income. This point 
was examined at the time of formulation of 
the Second Five Year Plan and was given up 
as impracticable on the following grounds 

“The income from a given area of land 
depedns upon the crops grown, the level 
of agricultural efficiency and the amount 
of investment which is made. A given 
area of land may yield different 
incomes to different indaviduals, depend* 
ing on his skill, capacity and 
resources. As improved agricultural 
practices are adopted and agriculture be- 
comes more efficient and diversified, 
income per unit of land should increase 
steadily. Thus it is difficult to correlate 
a family holding to a given level of money 
income, adjusted to a supposed level of 
prices.” 

Basis of Fixing Ceiling on Land as deci- 
ded by Central Land Reforms 
Committee 

3586. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Land Reforms 
Committee based its recommendations regard- 
ing land ceiling on any economic data regard- 
ing farm returns ; 

(b) if so, the details. State-wise, of such 
data ; and 

(c) considerations responsible for the 
fixation of land ceiling ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) Availability of water, soil fertility, 
etc., were taken into account in suggesting 
ranges with which ceilings should be fixed t 



45 Written Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers 46 


- Allotment of Land to Nov Friends’ Co- 
operative House Building Society, New 
Delhi 

3587. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to refer to the reply given 
to Unstarred Question No. 872 on the 31st 
May, 1971 regarding the allotment of land to 
the New Friends Cooperative House Building 
Society, New Delhi afcd state : 

(a) whether land has not so far been 
allotted to the New Friends* Cooperative 
House Building Society, New Delhi ; if so, the 
reasons therefor ; 

(b) whether the delay in the allotment 
of land to the Society and in its turn allot- 
ment to the Members is causing lot of concern 
to them in view of the rising costs of cons- 
truction ; and 

(c) if so, the step which Government 
propose to take to finalise the allotment and 
the time by which it is expected to be done ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MI- 
NISTRY OF HEALTH & FAMILY PLAN- 
NING AND IN TIIE MINISTRY OF WOR- 
KS AND HOUSING (PROF D P. CHATTO- 
PADHYAYA) . (a) and (b). No, Sir. Land 

has already been allotted to the New Friends’ 
Cooperative House Building Society and the 
Society has also allocated plots to its members 
but ihz execution of sub-leases of plots in the 
names of the members have been held up 
because of Stay Orders of the Courts. 

(c) Action to execute sub-leases with the 
members will be taken as soon as the Stay 
Orders of the Court arc vacated. 

Old Age Pension 

3588. SHRI ONKAR LAL BERWA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to refer to 
the reply given to Unstarred Question No 
7684 on the 29th May, 1972 regarding Old 
Age Pension and state : 

(a) whether any person has since been 
sanctioned pension benefit till now out of 1828 
applicants ; 

(b) if so, the names thereof ; and 


(c) if not, the reasons for the delay ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SO- 
CIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEPART- 
MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) 1828 was /^>t the number 

of applicants but of benficiaries who were 
sanctioned Old Age Pension. 

(b) and (c). not arise. 

Benefits to Scheduled Caste Persons 

3589. SHRI AMAR NATH CHAWLA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
refer to Unstarred Question No. 8067 replied 
on the 31st May, 1972 regarding benefits to 
Scheduled Caste persone and state : 

(a) whether the matter has since been 
looked into and a final decision taken in this 
regard ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE (SHRI K S. RAMAS- 
WAMY) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The 

Government are advised that in cases of this 
nature no general law can be laid down and 
each case will have to be considered on its 
own merits. Generally, however, on recon- 
version a person will be entitled to claim the 
privileges to which members of a Scheduled 
Caste are entitled if he/she is accepted by the 
members of that particular caste as one 
amojig them. 

Inclusion of Community Diuloi mcnl Bluk 
of Pauri Garhwal in Border Districts 

3590. SHRI # RAM SURAT PRASAD :s 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India have 
received any proposal from Government of 
Uttar Pradesh recommending the inclusion of 
certain Community Development Blocks of 
Pauri Garhwal in the border districts ; 

(b) whether the local population of 
'patties* Dhanpur and Bachhansyun of Khirsu 
Community Development Block falling under 



47 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 48 


the administrative jurisdiction of District 
Pauri and forming part of the Karanprayag 
Assembly Constituency of the Border District 
of Chamoli, were given an assurance by the 
concerned authorities that those 'patties’ 
would also be included in the Border Areas 
so that they npy be able to get due share in 
the developmental programmes in future ; and 

(c) if so, the reaction of Government 
of India thereon and the time by which a 
decision is likely to be taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Government of India are not aware 
of any such assurance having been given to 
the local people. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Imports of Fertilisers 

3591. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : Will the Minister of AGRI- 
CULTURE be pleased to state the 
quantity of fertilisers imported during 
the last three years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : The quanti- 
ties of fertilisers in terms of nutrients, impor- 
ted during the last three years, is given below 
on the basis of actual arrivals : — 



1969-70 

1970-71 

1971-72 

N 

6,67,188 

4,77,457 

4,80,445 

D 

93,510 

32,J03 

2,47,511 

K 

1,20,232 

1,20,000 

2,67,570 


Amount Spent on Crash Scheme for Rural 
Employment 

3592. SHRI RAJDEO SINGH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether an amount of Rs. 2964.18 lakhs 
was spent in 1971-7 2 on the crash scheme for 
rural employment ; 


(b) if so, how many man-dAys of emp- 
loyment were generated by this scheme ; and 

(c) whether the scheme has come up to 
the raaiks anticipated by Government 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). The Govern- 
ment do consider that the Crash Scheme for 
Rural Employment has, by and large, come 
up to the expected mark. 

The Scheme envisaged an expenditure of 
Rs. 50 crores and the generation of 875 lakh 
mandays of employment in a full working 
season of 10 months. During the year 1971-72, 
however, work could start only in October, 
for the earlier part of the year was taken up 
in formulating projects for execution and mak- 
ing the requisite administrative and other 
arrangements. Then came the monsoons. 
Thus a six- month working period was actua- 
lly available. During this period the expendi- 
ture reported so far is Rs. 32.37 crores and 
this has resulted in the generation of 808.22 
lakh mandays of employment. It may be 
added that information in regard to employ- 
ment is collected in terms of mandays and 
not in terms of number of persons employed 
as the period of employment varies from 
person to person and from project to project. 
It is roughly estimated that more than 3.2 
lakhs of persons have been employed during 
the year for varying periods. This works 
out to an average of 957 persons per district 
for the 348 districts for which proposals were 
approved. In actual fact, however, the posi- 
tion varies from State to State and from 
district to district. It is expected that with 
the completion of administrative arrangements 
the sum of Rs. 50 crores provided for during 
1972-73 will be fully utilised. 


Permission to Prof. Blue to carry out 
Research work in Rajasthan 

3693. SHRI PURSHOTTAM KAKOD- 
KAR : 

SHRI SHRIKISHAN MODI : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Union Government 
have not given permission to Professor N, 



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Blip, an American Research Scholar, to carry 
our research work on Irrigation Projects in 
Rajasthan ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 

Prof. N. Blue and Prof. Frohrib, who had put 
up a joint proposal, were not permitted to 
undertake research work on Irrigation Projects 
in the Rajasthan canal area, partly because 
of stiategic situation of the area and partly 
because the two Indian Scholars (Prof. Iqbal 
Narain and Dr. K. N. Sharma), who were to 
collaborate in the Project, withdrew from the 
proposal. 

Betterment of Hillmcn (Adivasis) in Kerala 

3594. SHRI A.K. GOPALAN : 

SHR1MATI BHARGAVI THAN- 

KAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Kerala Government have 
approached the Ministry for Legislation for 
the betterment of hillmen (Adivasis) in Kerala 
consequent on the cancellation of the Kerala 
Hillmen Rule 1964 by the High Couit ; and 

(b) if so, the action taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Besides Kerala, there are a large 
number of forest villages in the States of 
Bihar, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, 
Maharashtra, Mysore and West Bengal and 
these States may also be interested in such a 
] egislation. Before Government decide to 
promote legislation by Pailiament, the com- 
ments of the above mentioned States will be 
obtained in this regard. 

Scientific Promotion and Propagation of 
Ayurvedic Medicines 

3595. SHRI DHARAMRAO AFZAL- 
PURKAR : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 
state what encouragements have been given by 


Government to achieve success in the matter 
of scientific promotion and propagation of 
Ayurvedic medicines in the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : An autonomous 
Centra] Council for Research in Indian Medi- 
emc and Homoeopathy has been established 
by the Government of India to initiate, aid, 
develop and co-ordinate scientific research on 
different aspect:, fundamental and applied, of 
the Indian Systems of Medicine and Homoeo- 
pathy and Yoga. The Council has established 
various types of Units, like the Central and 
Regional Research Institutes and Clinical Units, 
Fact finding Mobile Clinical Research Units for 
Drug Research and Units of Survey of Medi- 
cinal Plafits. These Units have undertaken to 
conduct research with a view to evolve better, 
cheaper and more effective medicines to cure 
various ailments. In addition, the Central 
Council of Indian Medicine which has been 
constituted under the Indian Medicine Cent- 
ral Council Act, 1970 would evolve uniform 
standards of education and maintain an All 
India Register of qualified practitioners of 
Indian Systems of Medicine. Steps have also 
been taken to upgrade departments for Post- 
graduate Training and Research in Indigenous 
Systems of Medicine and to provide facilities 
like construction of building for co lieges, 
hostel, laboratory, pharmacy, herbs ®arden 
and essential equipment in the under-graduate 
colleges in Indigenous Systems of Medicines 
run by Voluntary Organisations with a view 
to bi ing up such colleges to a requisite standard. 

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Quantity of Medicines in Ointment Tubes 

c 

3598. SHRI'R. P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN- 
NING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
the Quantity of medicines 'Kanalog' and 
‘Mycostatin’ of Sarabhai Chemicals put in 
ointment tubes is less than that indicated on 
the tubes : and 

(b) if so, whether Government propose 
to sample check the above mentioned items 


after getting them from the market and take 
suitable action against manufacturers in the 
matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a). Random 

tests were conducted on both ( Kana1og-S* and 
‘Mycostatin’ ointment tubes manufactured by 
Sarabhai Chemicals, Baroda. It. was found 
that in the case of 'Kanalog-S’, out of 11 
tubes tested, 9 had more ointment than 
indicated on the tubes and in 2 tubes the 
ointment was slightly less 98.83 and 
99.79%. This is within the percentage 
allowed in the U. S. Pharmacopoeia. In the 
case of 'Mycostatin* all the 8 tubes tested were 
found tc have more ointment than indicated 
on the tubes. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Post of Director, Recruitment and Examination, 
I. C. A. R. 

3599. SHRI BHARAT SINGH 
CHOWHAN : Will the Minister of AGRI* 
CULTURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the post of Director, 
Recruitment and Examinations in the I. C. 
A. R. has been circulated amongst the 
C. S. S Officers by the Personnel Department 
for inviting applications and whether the 
present incumbent of the post has come m the 
panel of Deputy Secretary to the Government 
of India ; 

(b) whether efforts are being made to 
put this post in abeyance and create a post of 
Deputy Secretary in lieu thereof on Govern- 
ment side in the autonomous Council ; 

(c) whether the post against which he 
has been approved for appointment is held by 
an Officer not included in the panel of Deputy 
Secretaries ; and 

(d) whether the post of Director Recruit- 
ment in the Council is a Research side post 
and held throughout by an officer of Govern- 
ment ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASABEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) Yes. 



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Written Answers 54 


■ (b) A post of Additional Secretary in 
the Indian Council of Agriculture Research 
(equated to the post of Deputy Secretary to 
the Government of India) was sanctioned on 
the Government side for a period of six 
months to handle the matters connected with 
the Gajendragadkar Committee of Inquiry on 
the I. C. A. R. As an economy measure, the 
post of Director of Recruitment and Controller 
of Examinations has been kept in abeyance 
for this period. 

(c) He had joined the post of Director 
of Administration in the Directorate of Exten- 
sion, for which his appointment was approved. 
Prior to his taking over, an Under Secretary 
was appointed to discharge the functions of 
this post in addition to his own duties, purely 
as a short-term arrangement. The latter was 
not included in the panel of Deputy 
Secretaries. 

(d) Yes. 

Disciplinary Proceedings against Students of 
Delhi University 

3600. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government’s attention has 
been drawn to the news item in the 
Hindustan Times dated the 15th July, 1972 
captioned ‘Political pressure on University 
alleged’ ; 

(b) if so, the reaction thereon ; and 

(c) whether under political pressure and 
Minister’s intervention, the Delhi University 
authorities were compelled to cancel the 
disciplinary proceeding against some indis- 
ciplined students ; and if so, the reasons 
thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, 
Sir. 

(b) and (c). In the interest of maintain- 
ing discipline amongst students, the Vice- 
Chancellor of Delhi University has powers 
to take such action as he may deem appro- 
priate in the circumstances of the case. In 
this particular incident, the Vice-Chancellor, 


keeping in view the larger interest of the 
University and after considering the replies 
of the students concerned to the 'show cause 
notices’, decided that three students may be 
bound down for good conduct and 
warning may be issued to six other students. 

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Youth suffering from Heart Ailment 

3602. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 2851 on the 
29th May, 1972 regarding heart ailment of 
youth and state : 

(a) whether the further report of the 
discussions called for has since been received 
and examined ; and 

(b) if so. Government’s reaction 
thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF* HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
,CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The Press Report was as a result of 
"Heart Quiz” programme organised under the 
joint sponsorship of : 

(i) Cardiological Society of India, 
Bombay. 

(ii) Indian Heart Journal. 



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Written Answers 56 


(iii) Coronary Club df Rotary West. 

The increasing incidence of heart disease 
may be due to changing socio-economic 
conditions in the country. The incidence, 
however, in India is much below the rate of 
heart disease in Western Countries. Steps 
are afoot to educate the public on preventive 
aspects of heart disease through audiovisual 
media T. V. Programme, Lectuics, Press, 
Exhibitions etc. Cardiac Clinics arc being 
established in bigger hospitals in the country. 

Licensed Bengali Porters in Calcutta Port 

3603. SHRI R. N BARMAN : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of licensed Bangali 
porters working at present in Calcutta Port ; 

(b) whether Government propose to 
recruit porters in Calcutta Port through local 
employment exchange in place of recruiting 
them through contractors ; and 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor 7 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) . 

(a) Such lnforma'ion is not available. 

(b) and (c). No recruitment is now being 
made, as the Calcutta Port has surplus labour 
looking to the requirements of traffic. If and 
when labour is recruited, this will be done 
through the Employment Exchange. 

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Reserve of Water Resources underneath 
the Desert 

3605 SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether according to the hydrogeolo- 
gical studies, there are vast reserves of water 
undeineath the desert and it !?■ possible to 
draw about 32 million litres of water a day 
fiom these reservoirs ; 

(b) if so, Government’s reaction 
thereto ; and 

(c) the steps Government are taking to 
tap this source of water 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a). According to Hydro- 
geological studies conducted with the 
U. N D. P. (SF) assistance there are no vast 
reserves ot water underneath the desert of 
Rajasthan. It is, however, possible to draw 
about 32 million litres of water a day from 
Lathibasin area (Jaisalmcr-Barmer area) in 
Western Rajasthan. 

(b) and (c). The reports prepared under 
ths UNDP (SF) assisted project have been 
sent to the State Government and the State 
Government is preparing schemes to utilise 
the available ground water in this area. 

Agreement with U. S. S. R. for Development 
of Fishing Industry 

3606. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government of India and 



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Written Answers 58 


U. S. S. R. have entered into an agreement to 
develop fishing Industry in India ; and 

(b) if so, the broad features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE <SHRI' 
ANNASAHEB P SH1NDE) : (a) and (b). 

Negotiations are in progress with the 
U S S. R. Authorities for conclusion of an 
Agreement on Cooperation in Marine and 
Inland fisheties. 

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Five-Year Scheme on the basis of 
Ground Water Survey 

3608. SHRI P. GANGADEB : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether a five-year scheme has been 


drawn up on the basis of ground water survey 
jointly done by the Geological Survey of 
India, the Central Tubewcli Organisation and 
the State Government's Lift Irrigation Depart- 
ment ; 

(b) if so. the main features of the scheme ; 
and 

(c) the cost involved ? 

f, 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. 

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Setting up of Banaras Development 
Corporation 

3610. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether exportable varieties of bananas 
are grown under a Centrally Sponsored 



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Scheme sanctioned for the fourth Five Year 
Plan in the State of Mysore ; 

(b) if so, whether there is any proposal 
under the consideration of Central Govern- 
ment to set up Banana Development Corpora- 
tion to link up the production programme 
with marketing for Both internal and external 
trade ; and 

(c) If so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. It is proposed to set up 
Banana Development Corporation for this 
purpose. 

(c) The Corporation will take up internal 
marketing and export of banana from the 
areas in which package programme for cultiva- 
tion of bananas has been taken up as a 
Centrally Sponsored Scheme. The main 
functions of the proposed Corporation will 
be : 

( i ) To organise marketing of bananas 
(including exports) from the package 
areas. 

(ii) Establishing report with growers or 
Growers Cooperative Societies for 
securing supplies of bananas on a 
long term basis. 

(iii) Providing technieal guidance to 
producers in the matter of scientific 
cultivation, transporting and handl- 
ing of fruits. 

(iv) Setting up of packing houses and 
creation of necessary ir.fra-structure 
(feeder road, transporation, ropeways 
etc). 

(v) Provision of necessary inputs, finan- 
cial assistance and credit to the 
grovers/grower's organisations. 

(vi) Ensuring manufacture and use of 
the right type of cartons for packag- 
ing. 

(vil) Chartering of banana boats of a 
long-term basis in order to keep up 


delivery schedules and also to achieve 
an overall economy in the ocean 
freight rates. 

(viii) Entering into tie-up sales agreements 
with selected foreign buysers ; and 

(ix) Taking steps for effective promotion 
and publicity. 

The share capital of the proposed corporation 
will be Rs. 50 lakhs— Rs. 40 lakhs to be 
contributed by the Central Government and 
Rs. 10 lakhs by the participating States. The 
new corporation is expected to start function- 
ing shotly. 

Tractors imported during last Two Years 

3611. SHRI SAT PAL KAPUR : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of tractors imported 
through State Trading Corporation during the 
last two years, year-wise upto 30th June, 1972 ; 
and 

(b) the number of tractors received during 
this period under the tractor gift scheme from 
foreign countries by the public ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 

number of tractors shipped/imported through 
the Projects and Equipment Corporation 
(State Trading Corporation) during the last 
two years, year- wise and during the current 
year (up to 30th June, 1972) is as under : 


Year 

Number of trac- 
tors shipped / 

imported 

1970 

12,954 

1971 

16,891 

1972 (Upto June) 

4,548 

(b) Information about the number of 
tractors received under the Gift Scheme from 



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i foreign countries by the public is not available. 
However, the Chief Controller of Imports 
and Exports has issued Custom Clearance 
Permits for 2,031 tractors from the inseption 
of the scheme. 

Operation of Cooperative Lift Irrigation 
Scheme 

3612. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the operation of co-operative 
lift irrigation schemes in the country has been 
satisfactory ; and if so, the total area irrigated 
by these schemes so far ; 

(b) whether the loans advanced to these lift 
irrigation societies are adequate ; 

(c) whether their utilization and repay- 
ment care satisfactory ; and 

(d) if so, what is the percentage of 
default 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (d). The 
information is being collected and, on receipt 
of the same, it will be laid on the Table of 
the House. 


Inclusion of Backward Classes in the List of 
S.C. & S.T. 

3613. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state whether 
Government propose to include the Backward 
Classes among the Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes by appropriate Constitutional 
amendments ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : 
The inclusion of backward communities 
in the list of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 
Tribes depends on their fulfilling certain crite- 
ria as follows : 

Scheduled Castes : Extreme social, 

economic and educational backwardness 


arising out of the traditional practice of 
untouchability. 

Scheduled Tribes : Indication of primi- 
tive traits, distinctive culture, geographical 
isolation, shyness of contact with the 
community at large, and backwardness. 

The question of revision Of list of Sche- 
duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes is under 
consideration^ 

With regard to “Other Backward Classes” 
it is better to apply the economic test. The 
discretion, however, is with the State Govern- 
ments to draw up suitable criteria for speci- 
fying such classes. 

Provision of Tractor for Farmers of Ladalth 

3614. SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
Ladakh is far being in agricultural production ; 
and 

(b) whether Government to provide trac- 
tors to the farmers in Ladakh on rent on 
reasonable rates ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a). The re- 
quisite information is being collected and will 
be laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

(b) There is no proposal at present for 
tractorisation in Ladakh or giving tractors oi* 
hire basis in that area. 

Construction of Water Reservoirs in the Villages 
of Ladakh 

3615. SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state whether Government propose to 
assist the construction of water reservoirs 
near villages in Ladakh and necessary sur- 
veys would be undertaken for this purpose ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : The information is being 
collected and will be laid on the Table of 
the House when received. 



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Supply of Drinking Water to Vlllages in L adakh ( c ) Does not arise. 

* 


3616, SHRI KUSHOK BAKULA : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government propose to make 
arrangements for f the supply of drinking 
water to villages in Ladakh being a basic 
human need ; and 

(b) if so, salient features thereof ? 

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS- 
TRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Water 
Supply programmes are included in the State 
Sector. It is for the State Government to 
formulate water supply schemes for the 
areas where shortage of drinking water is 
experienced, give them the needed priority 
and implement the same from the resources 
available to them in their State's Plan. 
However, the factual information with regard 
to the question is being collected from the 
Government of Jammu & Kashmir and will be 
laid on the Table of the Sabha. 

Death of Headmistress of Secondary School of 
Delhi 

3617. SHRI LAMBODAR BALIYAR : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether untimely death of a Head 
Mistress of Secondary School in Delhi occur- 
red due to carelessness and excesses of the 
Directorate of Education, Delhi ; 

(b) if so, details of this incident ; and 

(c) the action proposed to J?e taken by 
Government in this regard ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Smt. Gunwati died during summer 
vacations when the schools were closed. The 
circumstances of her death are not known to 
the Directorate of Education, Delhi. 


Visit of Study Team to Andamans Regarding 
Timber Supply to Industry 

3618. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a Study Team headed by Shri 
Hejmadi, Deputy Inspector General of Forest, 
visited Andaman Islands to study in detail the 
working of the Forest Department and the 
basis of pricing timber supplied to the 
industry ; 

(b) whether the study team has submitted 
its report ; and 

(c) if so, its main features and the action 
taken thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The Study Team has studied mainly 
the accounting procedure followed by the 
Andaman Forest Department and suggested 
ways and means about the correct approach 
to be made in this direction. The Team 
has recommended inter alia that the Anda- 
man Forest Department should be treated 
as a “Service Department”. The recommen- 
dations of the Team are under active exa- 
mination in consultation with the Ministries 
concerned. 

Utilisation of Ministerial Bungalows after impo- 
sition of Ceiling on Urban Property 

3619. SHRI B. V. NAIK : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Living space allotted to 
the Ministers at the Centre and the States 
conform to the physical ceiling on urban 
property proposed to be legislated ; 

(b) if not, the way in which it is proposed 
to utilize the present bunglows ; and 

(c) whether Government have considered 
to allot these buildings for cultural, educa- 
tional and similar other defined public pur- 
poses ? 



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Written Answers 66 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CH ATTOPADH Y A YA) : (a) to (c) The ques- 
tion does not arise since ceiilings on owner- 
ship of urban property are not proposed to 
be imposed with reference to physical size 
of the area used for living and office purposes 
by an occupant. However, the Central Go- 
vernment’s present programme of construction 
in the general pool does not include cons- 
truction of the highest types of residences. 

Transfer of Properties in anticipation of Ceiling 
on Urban Property 

3620. SHRI PRABODH CHANDRA : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether in anticipation of ceilings on 
urban property, wealtiher section is trans- 
ferring their properties into Trust or Private 
Limited Companies ; and 

(b) if so, the steps Government contemp- 
late to see that the purpose for which the 
ceiling is brought about is not defeated ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No information 
is available in this Ministry. 

(b) The States of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, 
Gujarat, Kciala and Uttar Pradesh have 
either introduced or passed legislation prohi- 
biting alienation of urban properties/ vacant 
lands in Urban areas etc. The Centre has 
not yet finalised their thinking. However, 
suitable provisions are proposed to be made 
in the Central legislation restraining transfer 
of urban properties with a view to defeat the 
purpose of the ceiling law. 

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Thefts in Maulama Azad Medical College Hostel 

<i 

3622. SHRI S. M. BAHERJEE : 

SHRI 1SHAQUE SAMBHALI : 

* 

Will the Minister pf HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

i 

(a) whether thefts are on the increase in 
Maulana Azad Medical College Hostel during 
the last six months ; and m 

(b) if so. the steps taken by Government 
in this repards ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. It is not 
correct to say that thefts are on the increase 
during the last six months. 

(b) A few thefts did, however, take place 
in the Girls and Boys Hostel and on the 
advice of the local police extra Chowkidars 
have been provided on night duty and 
places of accessibility are being blocked. 
There is no increase in thefts since then. 


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faraJf Hf HfoftaHT H5OTrf n| hht-hhh 
qr T^r hott | i [hhoth Jf tot *iht i 
*fapt HOTT — LT-3576/72] 

Expenditure on Beautification of Delhi 

3624. SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH : 

SHRI LALJI BHAI : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to refer to the reply 
given to Unstarred Question No. 2918 on the 
17th April. 1972 regarding expenditure on 
beautification of Delhi and state : 

(a) the amount collected m the name of 
Beautification Levy and Village Development 
charges from the Co-operative House-Building 
societies in (i) Pritampura. (ii) Rohtak Road 
and (iii) Shahdara area and the amount spent 
on these areas for their beautification, sepa- 
rately ; 

(b) whether a copy of the orders of Lt. 
Governor. Delhi imposing Beautification 
Levies under the scheme of large scale Acqui- 
sition, Redevelopment and Disposal of Land 
in Delhi, will be laid on the Table of the 
House ; 

(c) the names of such House-Building 
Co-operative Societies in Delhi/New Delhi 
whom the Delhi Development Authority had 
allotted the land but in whose case the beauti- 
fication Levy has not been imposed ; and 

(d) if so, the reasons for this discrimina- 
tion ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The amount 



«9 Written Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 70 


collected was as under 


Beautifica* Village Re- 
tion charges develop- 


ment char- 
ges 



(Rupees in lakhs) 

(i) In Pritam Pura 
area. 

5*34 

2'67 

(ii) In Rohtak Road 
area. 

14-70 

7*35 

(iii) In Shahdara area. 

41-62 

20 % 81 

Total : 

61-66 

30-83 


A sum of rupees 1,44,302/- has been in- 
curred upto May, 1972 in beautification 
Schemes. 

(b) The orders were issued in April 1969. 
They are at statement 'A' laid on the Table 
of the Home [ Placed in Library. See. No 
LT-3517/72]. 

(c) The Delhi Development Authority has 
not allotted land to any Co-operative House 
Building Society. The land has been allotted by 
the Delhi Administration. The beautification 
levy could not be imposed on those Societies 
with whom agreements were executed prior to 
April, 1969 when decision to charge beautifica- 
tion levy was taken. A list of five Societies who 
were allotted additional land by the D. D. A. 
after April, 1969 and on whom beautification 
levy was imposed is at Annexure ‘B\ 

(d) In view of (c) above, there has been 
no discrimination in the matter. 

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Written Answers 72 


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Computer System Scheme introduced by 
Indian Institute of Management, 
Ahmedabad 

3626. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Indian Institute of 
Management, Ahmedabad has made a signi- 
ficant breakthrough in applying computers to 
problems of economic deve'opment ; 

(b) if so, the main features of the scheme ; 
and 

(c) how far the application of Computers 
has solved the economic problems ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION, SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) to (c). A project report has 

been prepared at the Indian Institute of 
Management, Ahmedabad suggesting how an 
on-line computer system could help the 
Planning Commission and State Government 
to evaluate the effectiveness of planners at the 
State and district levels and determine priori- 
ties for future development. 

A data bank would be used containing 
about three hundred data elements for each 
of 330 districts. The proposal is to build a 
library of indices and dictionaries to provide 
quick definitions of the subset of districts 
relevant for any study. The information 
would include data on a variety of character- 



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Written Answers 14 


isfics of the district aod the variety and (b) number of authorised agencies to 
efficiency of activities within each district, whom the work of distribution of fertilizers 


The data could compute ratios which would 
give a set of scales on which to locate each 
district relevant to the others. The cost- 
effectiveness of development can be measured 
by entering costs of proposed sectoral targets 
and using the library of arithmetical and sta- 
tical functions included in the system. The 
system when completely developed will be 
intended to measures and evaluate the pro- 
gress of each district on the characteristic that 
might reasonably by expected to change in the 
short run. The relevant position of districts 
on each of the scales could be used as one 
basis for evaluating district plan. 

The preliminary report suggests that such 
a system be developed. It will, however, need 
considerable amount of further study to work 
out the details 

While large real time computer systems 
for mixed information-retrieval and analysis 
for development planning could have a subs- 
tantial potential for use in India, the applica- 
tion of such a system can only be evaluated 
after they have been developed and tested. 

Misuse of Edible Oil 

3627 SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether edible oil is being misused m 
the count! y ; and 

(b) if so, the seeps taken by Government 
to prevent the misuse of edible oils ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No specific 
leport regarding misuse of edible oil has been 
received by the Government. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Distribution Policy for Fertilizers in Delhi 

362&. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the distribution policy for fertilizers in 
Delhi ; and 


has been allotted aloogwith their addresses ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASHEB P. SHINDE) : *(a) The internal 
distribution of fertilisers within a State or a 
local area is the responsibility of the Slate 
Government o* the local administration 
concerned. However, it has been intimated 
by the Delhi administration that all fertilisers 
received from the Central Fertiliser Pool are 
handled by the Delhi State Cooperative 
Maiketing and Supply Federation Limited, 
Nagloi, who distribute the fertilisers through 
the village level Cooperative Societies. As 
far as domestic fertilisers is concerned, the 
distribution is done by the manufacturers 
through their agents who have to be registered 
dealers under the Fertiliser Control Order 
1957. 

(b) There is one authorised agency . of the 
Delhi Administration viz. the Delhi State 
Cooperative Marketing and Supply Federation 
Limited, Nagloi, who distribute the fertilisers 
through the 33 village Cooperative Societies 
whose names and address are contained in 
statement ‘A’ laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library See No. LT-3518/72] 

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Written Answers 76 


«l«rfa; 1969-70 & 1 $71-72 % fotf TOT 
srftw % ^ftarfilr % w. I 5 
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Proposal for providing flood lights to 
Konarak Temple in Orissa 

3630. SHR1 ARJUN SETHI : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any steps have been taken 
by Government to work out the proposal for 
providing Konarak Temple (Orissa) with 
flood lights ; and 

(b) if so, the progress in this regard 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE fSHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Steps have been taken by the 
C.P.W.D. to award the work to a contractor 
by inviting tenders. 

Diversion of Fertilizers Production of 
Gujarat 

3631. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

* 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided to 
divert fertilizer production of Gujarat State 
Fertilizer Companies to other states ; 

(b) the total production of Fertilizer in 
Gujarat State ; and 

(e^ the percentage thereof to be diverted 

to States ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (Sfllkl 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 

G.S F.C , like other manufacturers, are expec- 
ted to distribute fertiliser produced by them 
in a number of States, within their economic 
marketing zone and have in the past supplied 
fertilisers to a number of such States, besides 
Gujarat. The Government of India had. on 
the basis of requirements of various States, 
requested the G.S F.C. to supply during 
Kharif, 1972, 34000 tonnes or N and 12300 
tonnes of P to Gujarat, 79C0 tonnes of N to 
Haryana, 2000 tonnes of N to Uttar Pradesh, 
6000 tonnes of N to Madhya Pradesh. 2600 
tonnes of N to Rajasthan, 5 1G0 tonnes of N 
to Punjab and 33000 tonnes of N and 7700 
tonnes of P to Maharashtra. 

(b) and (c). The total production of the 
G.S.F.C., Adarsh Chemicals and Fertilzers, 
Ltd., Alembic Chemicals Works Co. Ltd. and 
Anil Starch Products Ltd. located in Gujarat 
is expected to be about 91000 tonnes of N 
and 35000 tonnes of P during Kharif, 72. Of 
these, about 56000 tonnes of N and 14000 
tonnes of P will be supplied to other States 
and the balance to Gujarat. In terms of 
percentage about 40% of the total N and 
60% of the total P produced in Gujarat will be 
consumed by Gujarat State and the balance 
by other States. 

Development of Port Salaya in Jamnagar, 
Gujarat 

3632. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI D. P. JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are considering 
the development of Port Salaya in Jamnagar 
in Gujarat ; and 

(b) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and 
(b). The executive responsibility for develop- 
ment of ports other than major ports ve$ts in 
the State Governments concerned. The 
Government of India, however, gives loans to 
the State Governments under the Centrally 
Sponsored Schemes for the development of 



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Written Answers 78 


cfoe selected port in each maritime State. For 
t&is purpose, Porbander in Gujarat has been 
selected. As regards the development of 
S^iaya, no proposal is under consideration of 
t^o Government of India. 

Request from Gujarat State to Curb Rise 
in Price of Groundnut Oil 

3633. SHRI VEKARIA : 

SHRI P. D. JADEJA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state ; 

(a) whether the Gujarat Government have 
sent any proposal to curb rise in the price of 
groundnut oil ; 

(b) if so, the salient features of the 
proposals ; and 

(c) the action taken by Government of 
India thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

Some proposals have been received from the 
Government of Gujarat. 

(b) The proposals envisage tightening of 
credit control, increasing the supplies by 
imports of edible oil and tallow, canalisation 
of exports of H P S. groundnut, promulga- 
tion of a Sales and Distribution Control 
Order under the Essential Commodities Act, 
and setting up or an Edible Oil Corporation at 
All India level. 

(c) Restrictions on credit against stocks 
of groundnut and vanaspati in Gujarat have 
been tightened by the Reserve Bank Besides 
importing tallow, arrangements, to import 
90,000 to one lakh tonnes of reapeseed are 
being made. Other proposals are under 
consideration* 

Income and Expenditure of Delhi Transport 

3634. SHRI VEKARIA : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state the ratio of income and 
expenditure prior to the taking over and after 
the taking over of Delhi Transport ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : The monthly ratio of expenditure 
(excluding depreciation and debt charges) 
to income, after the establishment of the 
Delhi Transport Corporation with effect from 
3-11-1971, has been about 1J7% as compared 
to about 130% previously. This ratio has fur- 
ther decreased to about 113% in the current 
financial year. § 

Review of Schemes Undertaken by F.C.I. 

3635. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the various schemes under- 
taken by the Food Corporation of India are 
reviewed periodically with a view to assess 
their financial results ; and 

(b) if so, the results of such reviews 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) In respect of the Modern Rice Mills, 
which have been working for some time now, 
the reviews have revealed that the mills 
have not so far been able to work to their full 
capacity because of various operational cons- 
traints. A realistic evaluation of the economics 
of the operation of these mills will be possible 
only after fuller utilization of the capacity has 
been achieved. In respect of other projects, 
the plants have either been set up very recently 
or are yet to be set up Their working will 
be reviewed periodically in due course. 

Mechanical Paddy Drying Centres by F.C.I. in 
Tamil Nadu 

3636. SHRI * V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the number of Mechanical Paddy Dry- 
ing Centres established by F.C.I. in the 
Thanjaran District, Tamil Nadu and how 
many of them are idle and the reasons 
therefor ; and 

(b) the quality of paddy being dried every 
year through the Dryers ? 



79 Written Answers 


AUGUST 2$, 1972 


Written Answers 80 


THE MINISTER Off STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINTO) : (a) and (b). 
Thirty Mechanical Padd|y drying Centres 
have been set up by the, Food Corporation 
of India in Thanjavur District of Tamil Nadu 
for drying of held paddy as the paddy in 
that area is normally harvested during the 
rainy season wi|h high moisture content. 
The actual use of the dryers depends upon 
the occurrence of rains during the harvest 
time. 22,616 MT and 24 f 2qp0 MT of paddy 
was dried during 1969-70 and 1970-71, res- 
pectively. During 1971-72 no paddy was dried. 

Fertiliser Held in stock in Godowns of Food Cor- 
poration of India and its Irregular Distribution 

3637. SHRI V. MAYAVAN : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether large quantities of fertilizers 
are held in stock in the various godowns of 
Food Corporation of India without issue for 
years together ; 

(b) whether the principle of ‘First-in-First 
issued* is not followed resulting in large 
scale deterioration in their value; and 

(c) if so, (he steps taken in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No. It may 
be relevent to mention in this context that 
massive quantities of fertilisers are handled 
by the Food Corporation of India every year 
and distributed in the country and sizeable 
stocks in transit, pipeline, etc. are unavoid- 
able. 

(b) The Ministry has issued standing 
instructions to all supplying units, including 
the Food Corporation of India, that in supply- 
ing fertilisers, as far as possible, the principle 
of “First-in-First issue” should be followed. 
This is implemented as far as possible sub- 
ject to the need to avoid double handling in 
certain cases and other operational cons- 
traints. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Complaints Regarding Coca-Cola Export Corpo- 
ration 

3638. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 


PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints regarding the Coca-Cola Export 
Corporation, using the label of Fanta Orange 
on the containers of its beverage product ; 
and 

(b) if so, the reaction of Government 
thereon ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) and (b). Go- 
vernment had received complaints in this 
regard sometime ago The Coca-Cola Export 
Corporation which supplies the “Fanta 
Contentrate” to all bottlers in India were- 
advised to inform their bottlers to change the 
label according to the approved design. They 
confirmed that the suggestion had been passed 
to the bottlers who were doing the needful. 
The State/Union Territory Governments were 
also requested to take legal action against 
the offenders. 

Demand for Tractors 

3639. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Government have made any 
assessment regarding the approximate demand 
of tractors in the country for the next five 
years ; and 

(b) the steps Government are taking to 
meet the demands and also for the satisfac- 
tory supply of spare parts of tractors in the 
country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN. THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The Go- 
vernment of India has already entrusted to 
the National Council of Applied Economic 
Research the detailed study on scientific 
basis about the assessment of demand for 
tractors during the remaining period of the 
Fourth Five Year Plan and the Fifth Five 
Year Plan period. Their repoit is awaited. 

(b) The Government has decided to im- 
port 20,000 tractors. Besides, import of 



Written Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 82 


tractors as gift by Indians from their relations 
living abroad has been allowed. Steps are 
also being taken to increase indigenous pro- 
duction of tractors. With a view to ensuring 
smooth running of tractors, import of spare 
parts to the r extent of 10-15% is allowed 
along with the tractors. Import of spare 
parts is allowed liberally for old model tractors 
which were imported in the past. Import of 
spare parts upto a limited extent is also 
allowed to the Actual Users. 

Storage Capacity of Warehousing Corporation, 
Mysore 

3640. SHRI PAMPAN GOWDA : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the storage capacity of Ware- 
housing Corporation in the State of Mysore 
is not satisfactory and is not being fully 
utilized ; and 

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government 
in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The utilization of storage capacity available 
with the Mysore State Warehousing Corpora- 
tion which stood at 73.16 per cent of the 
total capacity at the end of June, 1972, is 
considered to be satisfactory. Efforts to imp- 
rove the utilisation further, however, conti- 
nue to be made by the Corporation and 
include steps like wider publicity for custom, 
rebates to co-operatives and agriculturists and 
requests to public sector undertakings for 
using its storage accommdation. 

arm m aw fcif if fim Tajaff 
& 31 fit snfar 

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left i? unt 4 ft sit frj% far : 

(fj) fIT apKtU, fl£«H, fltll, 

f iW nit *aff fft 3111 if nrci Jr srftr 
51m iaj Jr aftm ^sr-srifa i§i nr I, 
afh 

(s) iff eft ffnJt srfiari ? 


pfir *riwi if trw *nft (sfto «9r 

fa?) : (fr) aft $t l 

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3Bf? 1970 (fr«i 24) % arpn, iri if 
apf 1969 ,Jf, ifeT III $1 *PT Hflfr mm 
%ii 450 ffwtui it, mf* ift urti if 

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irfifr iirm ftii f 1 

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if an Jt hi fR ^ft 

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am fan | ? 

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fa?) : (ar) I? IfHi 1923 if 



83 Written Answers AUGUST 

f 

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28, 1972 Written Answers 84 

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off TOfq if TOif % Ftot jf qrwfe?, TO 'fit 
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8t Written Answers 


BHADRA i, 894 {SAKA) 


Written Answers 86 


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faWTF ) 

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fa^RT f*T, 

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iftr % f*r 4?r ftwrar? rjt qfrr storT 
% foq) i 

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% faq T R T WPw aft? 3ft?I0j 
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fosw *r% m^r ^i 3?rro?r i 

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tfy ■mT^r, tfy 5fy«rm fasrw, 

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1 1 


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1955-56 % 1971-72 


«ro 

am (*r& rarorf Jf) 

1 

2 

1955-56 

8 840 

1956-57 

14.328 

1957-58 

19.525 

1958-59 

20.039 

1959-60 

33.439 

1960-61 

32.030 


1 

2 

1261-62 

. 40.498 

1962-63 

47.900 

1963-64 

49.714 

1964-65 

* 62.606 

1965-66 

68.860 

1966-67 • 

65.168 

1967-68 

77.148 

1968-69 

86.309 

1969-70 

98.850 

1970-71 

112.507 

1971-72 

149.573 


#r 987.334 


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3fh 

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f Riff % rfaraw % foq arftffrfi 

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m 3 r%Frr») 53ft % arrow ^ ar^jrfrr % 
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f^q qq 5^1^ qw^r % f^fy % foq arfaF^ 



87 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 88 


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f » qwqfqq? qftqq^rfft ft ftfqq 
q* arfqfwr gaff f anqter ft ft arcqfq 
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fftt ift qqranqiq f%4 an t| ato farc% faq 
arfhfrw 5 ft ft animal |, ^ fqqr 
f?FT f : 

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ft— 25, 

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335, ft£ -3000, 

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tfqy qrsq— 990, 

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, % fan? TiarPTM ft %?ftq 
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qf q3T% ft fTT TR^t f% : 

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ftf qqufor ft qf ft afa qfq ft, ft fftrft 
afht qtqqrft % qm qqr I aftr qftq; ftann 
% fetj fftfft qqnpq ft qf ; 

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f%ft % fel{ af5? % Hiqfif if 
q?§q ft qf ftqqrft % qtq qqT | ark 
qq% fftr ar&q-araq fftrft ErqTtftrqfft 


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ft qyft ft qf sq% qm wr | afk qq% 
fwq f%?rft srqnftr ft qf ; aifa 

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(fto fto fto q eft qT t qm) : (qr) ark 
(’q) . ?qkq ffiftq arq ftq ft %?ftq ftarcr 
% sRiqq qrw qq % fftj uarpqiq uaq ft 
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Procurement and Selling Prices of Wheat in 
States 


3645. SHRI R. R. SHARMA 
DR. LAXMINARAIN 
PANDEYA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the rates at which wheat has been 
procured from farmers in the various States 
during the last three years. State-wise ; 



89 1 Written Answers 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 96 


(b) the rates at which th6 Food Corpora- 

tion of India has sold it to consumers and 
the flour mills etc. ; * 

(c) the total amount of expenditure 
incurred by the said Corporation on pro- 
curement etc. per quintal during the last 
year and current year separately ; and 

(b) the steps being taken to 'educe this 
expenditure ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SH1NDE) : (a) A statement 
containing the required information is given 
in Statement I laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library. See No. LT. 3520/72], 

(b) The Food Corporation of India does 
not sell wheat directly to the consumers. 
The Corporation issues wheat to the State 
Governments and Roller Flour Mills at 
Rs. 78/- per quintal ex Food Corporation of 
India godowns/F.O R. destination Railway 
Station, and the State Governments, after 
adding the distribution cost, fix the sale price 
at which wheat is supplied to the consumers 
by the fair price shops. 

(c) and (d). statement II giving the 
required information is laid on the Table of 
the House. [Placed in Library . See No. 
LT 3520/72] 

Assessment for Food Requirements of Drought 
Affected States 

3646. SHRI P. NARASIMHA REDDY : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government in consuls taion 
with the different State Governments have 
assessed the requirements of foodgrains to 
tide over the drought— condition prevailing ; 

(b) if so. the quantities State- wise 
required, available and to be supplied by 
Central pool and the arrangements have been 
made to move the stocks required ; and 

(c) the extent of estimated loss due to 
drought in the country, State-wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 


(b) The Government of India is cons- 
tantly in touch with the concerned State 
Governments in regard to the quantities of 
foodgrains required by them from time to time 
and has met all their reasonable demands. 

(c) No firm estimate of the loss in produc- 
tion due to drought is yet available, as the 
position is changing and will continue to 
change with the further behaviour of the mon- 
soon in the coming months. An Emergency 
Production Programme, on a country-wide 
scale, has been taken up to ensure that loss 
due to drought is made up by additional 
production of summer and rabi crops. 

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ft fTTT fir : 

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ft 4T eft eft*T jft® ft ft arftFP £*t % 
'TH't eTPTT q^eTT | *TT 50 qfo % ft 
arfsR? ir qrfft sqsrw artr zrf* 

^t, eft ’Tift ft f®TT ffepft afa 

(m) ar?t ftft' ft ifft % fan* fr*t 

3T5J gqeTSST ’FTt’t % f nT *R4»R 5RT 
qrpTSTT^t ft 3IT Tft | ? 

’ wrcwi sftr qfisrc ftfferc fares 
fisfa arh ansra fares if ttw fa"t (sfto 
fto qto ^ftqiaqro) : (*) *src«T aftr 
qforR fjRt3R fares gRr ffij sq amt- 
aft % a^TR ftft qaarffs 

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«t faaif a eft ^ ft?? ft yet f apsr- 
3TR* afk a ft 50 fte ft eTP Tpft 
aqa«s 1 

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aPePTel 3TT5TT | aftr ftft qasffa staST if 
arsar JT^r Jf SR 3T?T ^ % fa? 8 4Rt? 



91 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 92 


w <rkam ffHRT faqr *mt 1 1 armr | % 

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% aRnfsr sjnwr 5400 ^nft aTgfaqRqqi 
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Tift q>rft ft Tim qft afk ft* qRft % 
foq tT^r <p<tf 50 aam qqft qft Fiufft qq 
pTWcT*T faqr TTT | I STTOT | fti RT OT 
Tiftr % 600 ark Tift aft qrft fftsft ^ttt i 

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ft* qRft ft fq*R at ft?ftq rrcwr ft 
snTfkrqr arfftor arftat «fw ^ft % fair 
ft faft* awftqor spriftt qqr fa^sr ^ft 
ark ftkrqrq *tr qRft % feq fafrq 
faftfaq afk STTFTT fTTfft aft ft ftmfafft 
ft ft | famft foq 5iq sfftnTq ft 
ariqft i ?ar war aft Tarsrft Fqqft aft 
wnmT ft fftreft % fftq ans ftar gqif 
asrft fift qft#' (fffaT ft) ft ft nf 
| afk ftft qkmr ft ft* arqfft ft tr? 
afk wftft ftft qq fTTR 1 1 

Cost of Setting up a Soviet AID 100 bed Paedi- 
atric Warden in Alleppy Medical College, 
Kerala 

3648. SHRI ARVIND NETAM : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state the approxi- 
mate cost of setting up of the Russia/i 
equipped 100 bed paediatric ward io the 
Alleppy Medical College, Kerala ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CH VTTOPADH YA Y A) : The question of 
cost does not arise because no such Russian 
equipped 100 bed paediatric ward has been 
sanctioned by this Government for being set 
up at Alleppy Medical College, Kerala. How- 
ever, receipt of various items of equipments 
as gifts from Russia have been approved for 
use in the Paediatric Department. Since 
these equipments will be gifts, the question 
of cost does not arise. 


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Written Answers 94 


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Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act 

3650. SHRJ HUKUM CHAND 

KACHWAI : 

SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to refer to 
the reply given to un-starred Question No. 
1788 on the 3rd April, 1972 regarding enforce- 
ment of Abortion Law and state : 

(a) whether Government have information 
from the various States and Union Terri- 
tories regarding number of cases of abortion 
performed since Medical Termination of 
Pregnancy Act came into force ; and 

(b) If so, the figures thereof, upto July, 
1972, State-wise and Territory-Wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) Figures as obtained from State Go- 
vernments/Union Territories are given in the 
statement laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3522/72]. 

New Examination System at Degree Level in 
Delhi University 

3651. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will the 
Minister of E&UCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to* state : 

(a) whether Delhi University was com- 
pelled to reverse its earlier decision of new 
examination system at Degree level ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) and (b). 
No final decision in this regard has been taken 
by the University. 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 96 


World Bank Loan for . Implementation 
of Agricultural Development in orissa 
and other States 

, 3652. SHRI RAM PRAKASH : Will 
the Minister of AGRICLUTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Orissa State's Agricultural 
development programme is being implemented 
with the active support of the Centre and loan 
assistance of World Bank ; ancl 

(b) if so, whether World Bank loan will 
be made available to other States also for 
similar programme ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 

There is no agricultural project in Orissa at 
present under implementation with financial 
assistance from the World Bank. 

A statement is laid on the table of the 
House is [Placid in Library. See No. LT. 
3523/72]. The Statement is Showing 

(i) projects approved for financial assis- 
tance from the World Bank ; 

(li) projects posed to the World Bank 
for assistance and presently under 
their consideration ; and 

(iii) projects presently under preparation 
for posing to the World Bank for 
financial assistance. 

All the State Governments have been 
requested to formulate more projects in the 
agricultural sector to be presented to the 
World Bank for financial assistance. Guide- 
lines for formulation of projects have also 
been sent to the State Governments by the 
Ministry of Agricultifte. 

Educational Teams sent Abroad 

3653. SHRI SAROJ MUKHERJEE : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of educational teams 
sent abroad from India in 1971 and 1972 
(up to June) and the composition of each of 
such teams ; 


(b) the countries visited by each of such 
teams and the number of days tour was 
arranged for each of them ; 

(c) the principle of selecting the mem- 
bers of such teams in each case ; and 

(d) names of persons belonging to educa- 
tional organisations selected for the purpose 
and sent abroad in each case ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) 
to (d). The information is being collected 
and will be laid on the Table of the House 
when received. 

Report of the High Level Committee on 
National Health Scheme for Rural 
Areas 

3654. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : 

SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the names of members of the High 
Level Committee set up to go into the ques- 
tion of National Health Scheme for rural 
areas ; and 

(b) When the Committee is likely to 
submit its report ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH FAMILY PLA- 
NNING AND IN THE MINISTRY 
OF WORKS & HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) The Committee 
consists of the following 

1. Prof. D. P. Chattopadhyaya, 

Union Minister of State for Health 
& Family Planning— Chairman 

2. Shri L. Chowdhury, 

Minister of Health, Bihar. 

3. Smt. Sharda Rani, 

Deputy Minister, Health, Haryana. 

4. Shri L. C, Prarthi, 

Minister of Health, 

Himachal Pradesh. 



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BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 98 


; 5. Dr. lUfiq Zakaria. 

‘ Health Minister, 

* Maharashtra. 

6. Shri H. Siddaveerappa, 

Minister of Health, 

Mysore. 

7. Shri Harideo Joshi, 

Minister of Health, 

Rijasthan. 

8. Shri Ihezhe Sema, 

Medical Minister, 

Nagaland. 

9. Shri K. Andazhagan, 

Minister of Health, 

Tamil Nadu. 

10. Shri Dharam Dutt Vaid, 

Minister of Health, 

Uttar Pradesh. 

11. Shri A. K. Panja, 

Health Minister, 

West Bengal. 

(b) The State Governments have been 
requested to consider the suggestions made 
at the Health Ministers’ Conference and revise 
the scheme to suit conditions prevailing in the 
respective States and to forward the revised 
schemes by the 15th of September, 1972 to 
the Government of India. The Committee 
will be able to submit its report only after 
the revised schemes are received and scruti- 
nised. 

Traffic at Qutab Road Crossing, Delhi 

3655. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Will 
the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is always a traffic jam 
at the Qutab Road Crossing, Sadar Bazar, 
Delhi ; 

(b) whether at this crossing roads remain 
blocked on both sides by parking of vehicles 
and tongas which keep plying round the cros- 
sing iof passengers ; 

(c) whether position has further been 
worsened by Transport Houses which have 


opened their Offices on this road and keep 
road blocked ; and 

(d) if so, the steps being taken in the 
matter to protect this important business 
Centre from daily traffic hazards and acci- 
dents ? 

THE MINISTER OF ^HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS AND 
HOUSING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) No, Sir. Congestion is, 

however, sometimes created due to inadequacy 
of the present road net work to handle heavy 
traffit. 

(b) No, Sir. However, the existence of a 
large number of slow moving traffic decreases 
the road capacity available for clearance 
of traffic. 

(c) Yes, Sir Some Transport Compa- 
nies have opened their offices in this area and 
sometime they stack their goods on the 
pavement in which case prosecution as well as 
removal a action is taken. 

(d) According to the provisions of the 
Master Plan, Qutab Road is to be widened 
to 100. The inter-section design of the 
Qutab road and Sadar Bazar road has also 
been prepared. Meanwhile, plying of heavy 
transport vehicles during peak hours has been 
prohibited Prosecutions for improper parking 
and unauthorised encroachment on roads are 
made regularly, Traffic is regulated and 
controlled by the Traffic Poljpe at this impor- 
tant road junction manually. 

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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 100 


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Written Answers 102 


* Judgement' of High Court Calcutta Regarding 
Payment of dues to Seamen 

3659. SHR1MATI BXBHA GHOSH 
GOSWAM1 : m\ the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether he is aware of the judgement 
in a Civil Rule No. 6464(W) of 1968 of 
Girijanath Bhattacharji versus the Union of 
India delivered by the High Court at Calcutta 
on 12th April, 1972 regarding the reinstatement 
of the petitioner concerned; 

(b) if so, whether that judgement has so 
far been given effect to by his Department : 

(c) if not, the reasons therefor ; and 

(d) whether all outstanding dues of the 
Seaman concerned have since been cleared off 
by the Shipping Master Calcutta ? 


TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) (a) 
The information is given below 


Year 

No. of registrations cancelled 
Bombay Calcutta 


• 


1969 

875 

285 

1970 ' 

* * 1393 

300 

1971 

t 1045 

441 


(b) Only four Seamen at the Port of 
Calcutta moved the Higher Court under 
Article 226 of the Constitution of India for 
redress. 


Number of Fair Price Shops in Delhi 


THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) 
Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) Does not arise. 

(d) The Seaman concerned accepted all 
dues except an amount of Rs. 74.85 at the 
time of closing of the Article of Agreement. 
This amount, which is lying in deposit with 
Shipping Master, Calcutta has not yet been 
collected by the seaman. 

Cancellation of Registration of Seamen 

3660. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH 
GOSWAMI : Will the Minister of SHIPPING 
AND TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of cancellation of 
Registrations of Seamen for the last three years, 
Port-wise; and 

(b) how many of such Seamen moved the 
High Court under Article 226 of the Consti- 
tution of India for redress 7 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 


3661. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) the total number of Fair Price Shops 
at present functioning in Delhi ; 

(b) whether the existing number of Fair 
Price Shops in Delhi is adequate : 

(c) whether there is any proposal to in- 
crease the number of Fair Price Shops in Delhi 
keeping in view the rising prices of essential 
commodities in the open market ; and 

(d) whether it is also proposed to ensure 
that the fair price shops sell only those items 
of goods ; which the Government ask them to 
sell at a fair price ? 

• 

TftE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The total number of fair price shops function- 
ing at present in Delhi is 1736 which is 
adequate for meeting the requirements of the 
public. 

(c) New fair price shops are sanctioned 
from time to time in the areas where 
necessary. 

(d) No, Sir. 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 104 


Import of Sugar 

3662. SHR1 SHASHI SHUSH AN : 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have seen press 
reports which appeared in the newspapers on 
the Sth August, 1972 to the fffect that India 
shall have to import sugar : and 

(b) the factual position in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) There is no proposal to import 
sugar. 

Extension of service of D.T C Buses upto 
Swami Mandir, R. K. Puram 

3663. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware that 
the buses which go to R. K. Puram, New 
Delhi generally stop at sector I ; 

(b) whether residents of sectors 7, 8, 9 
and 12 of R. K Puram have to face a lot 
of inconvenience on this account ; and 

(c) whether Government would see that 
the buses which terminate at Sector 1 go at 
least upto Swami Malai Mandir so that the 
residents of Sectors 7, 8, 9 and 12 could also 
be benefited, as the existing arrangement Is 
very inadequate ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN* THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 
OM MEHTA) : (a) to (c) The services which 
terminate at Sector 1 are actually extensions 
of the services which are mainly operated 
during peak hours for the convenience of the 
people working in the various offices located 
near Sector 1. The extension of these services 
to Swami Mala! Mandir is not considered 
feasible. 

As regards Sectors 7, 8, 9 and 12, the 
services provided are, by and large, adequate. 


These Sectors are at present covered by twelve 
routes. The position is, however, being cons- 
tantly under watch and the services will be 
strengthened as and when necessitated. With 
the additions in the fleet of the DTC also the 
services will be augmented. 

Non-availability of Sugar at Fair Price Shops 
in Delhi 

3664. SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN ; Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleaded to 
state : 

(a) whether for some weeks no sugar is 
being sold to consumers from fair price 
shops in Delhi ; 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) the arrangements made by Government 
to ensure continuous supply of sugar from 
fair price shops to ration card holders since 
the price of sugar in the open market is al- 
most double the controlled price and the 
consumers have to face great difficulty due to 
its non availability from fair price shops ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir, but this was 
the position only in respect of some of the fair 
price shops. 

(b) A few sugar factories from which 
sugar had been allotted to Delhi obtained 
interim orders from courts restraining the 
Government from enforcing the Sugar (Price 
Determination) Order. 1972, subject to the 
factories providing bank guarantees for the 
difference between the prices fixed by the 
Government and the price at which sugar was 
actually sold. This resulted in disturbing the 
smooth working of the levy system of distri- 
bution of sugar. 

(c) Additional quota of sugar has been 
allotted to the Delhi Administration, subject to 
adjustment later. 

Amount for Development of Education in 
Fifth Plan 

3663. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

SHRI PURUSHOTTAM 
KAKODKAR : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) the amount Education Ministry has 
demanded from the Planning Commission fpr 



103? Written Answers BHADRA 6, ii94 (SAKA) 


the development of education in the Fifth 
Fivfe Year Plan ; and 

(b) the action of the Planning Com- 
mission V 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) and (b). Proposals for the 

Fifth Plan are still under examination in the 
Ministry of Education and Social Welfare. 
No demand has been made to the Planning 
Commission. 


Delivery of Ships by Rumania 

3666. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Miniter of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Rumania has agreed to give 
India three ships ; 

(b) if so, when they are likely to be 
delivered to India ; and 

(c) the cost involve ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) 
to (c). Orders for ten ships have been placed 
in October 1969 on Rumanian Shipyards. 
These ships were scheduled for delivery bet- 
ween 1 12.1972 and 31.12.1975. The 
Rumanian Shipbuilders expressed their in- 
ability to deliver these ships at contracted 
price. An amicable settlement has, however, 
been reached. These ten ships will now be 
delivered between 1.4.1973 and 15,1.1976. 


Report of Committee for Promotion of Urdu 

3667. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 
GRAHI : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state ; 

(a) whether the Committee for Promotion 
of Urdu has since submitted its report ; 


Written Answers 106 

(b) if so, the recommendations made 
therein ; and 

(c) the decisions taken thereon ? 

. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) 
No Sir. • 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 


Mock Parliament Competition 

3668 SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO 
SHRI K. MALLANNA : 

Will the Minister of PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of mock Parliament 
competitions held during 1971-72 ; 

(b) the number of competitions held within 
Delhi and rest of the country separately ; 

(c) the amount spent on organising these 
competitions and the nature of assistance ex- 
tended in this regard 7 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) 
and (b). During the year 1971-72 only one 
(i.e. a 6th) Annual Mock Parliament Competition 
was held. No information is available with 
this Department in regard to similar compe- 
titions held in other parts of the country. 

» 

» 

(c) No financial assistance is given to the 
Institutions for organising such competitions. 
They are only assisted in training the teacher- 
in-charge and participating students in learn- 
ing parliamentary procedures and in adjudg- 
ing the performances. The Department incurs 
expenditure only on organising Annual Prize 
Distribution Function where prizes distributed 
to individual students, trophies to schools and 
Shield to the best school on the basis of 
performance during the year. The total ex- 
penditure incurred during the year 1971-72 
amounts to Rs. 4500/- approximately. 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 108 


Return of defective Tractors imported from 
G.D.R. and Relief provided in Lieu thereof 

3669. SHRI BIRENDER SINGH RAO : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the numtJer of v defective tractors re- 
turned so far to G.D.R. and the amount 
refunded to the pui chasers for each tractor ; 

(b) whether Government propose to pro- 
vide immediate relief to the farmers in getting 
the money spent by the farmers on the pur- 
chase of such tractors refunded to State 
Trading Corporation ; and 

(c) if so, by when it is likely to be re- 
funded and if not, what are the reasons 
therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The required 
information is being collected from the con- 
cerned State Agro Industries Corporation 
and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha 
after it is received. 

(b) to (c). Amounts for a number of 
RS— 09 tractors covered under the fiist Pro- 
tocol have already been paid by some of 
the State Agro-Industries Corporations to the 
RS — 09 tractor-owners in lieu of the tractors 
returned by them. Negotiations for the 
second Protocol to cove*- the return of the 
remaining RS— 09 tractors are now going on 
with the GDR representatives. 

Report by National Commission on Agriculture 

3670. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : 

SHRI PRABHUD^S PATEL : 

c 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to slate ; 

(a) whether the National Commission on 
Agriculture has submitted its report to Govern- 
ment ; 

(b) whether Government has asked them 
to submit the interim report ; and 

(c) if so, whether they have agreed to 
submit the report before the Fifth Five Year 
Plan is formulated ? 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The National Commission on Agriculture has 
not submitted its Final Report as yet. How- 
ever, the Commission has submitted ten 
Interim Reports on the following subjects so 
far : — 

(i) Multiplication and distribution of 
quality seeds pertaining to high-yiel- 
ding varieties and hybrids of cereals. 

(li) Fertiliser distribution. 

(iii) Some aspects of Agricultural Re- 
search, Extension and Training, 

(iv) Credit Services for Small and Margi- 
nal Farmers and Agricultural La- 
bourers. 

(v) Milk Production through Small and 
Marginal Farmers and Agricultural 
Labourers 

(vi) Establishment of Agro-meteorologi- 
cal Division in Agricultural Universi- 
ties. 

(vii) Production Forestry - Man - Male 
Forests. 

(viii) House-Sites for Landless Agricul- 
tural Labourers. 

(ix) Soil Survey and Soil Map of India. 

(x) Potato Seeds. 

(c) The Final Report of the Commrssion 
is expected to be submitted by December, 
1973 and Interim Reports on a few other 
subjects are likely to be submitted to the 
Government before that late. 

Services of Village based Practitioners of Indi- 
genous System of Medicine 

3671. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a scheme to utilise the 
services of viHage- based practitioners of Indi- 
genous System of medicine ; 



BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 110 


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" (b) when this scheme is likely to be in- 
troduced ; and 

(c) the main features of the scheme ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) and (c). A statement is laid on the 
Table of the Sabha. [Placed in library . See 
No. LT. 3524/72] 

Grants to States for Drinking Water Supply 
Programme 

3672. SHRI NAENDRA SINGH : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Central Government has 
promised a grant of rupees one crore to the 
Government ot Punjab for drinking water 
supply programme of that State ; 

(b) if so, whether any such grant has 
been promised to other States and the criteria 
for such grants to be given to the States ; 

(c) the names of such States who have 
requested for the grants and amount promised 
to the State concerned ; and 

(d) whether Madhya Pradesh is one of 
such State who have requested for such grant 
and the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). Under 
the Central Scheme of Accelerated Rural 
Water Supply started from the current year, 
schemes costing Rs. 20 crores have been 
sanctioned during this year to various States 
and Union Territories for accelerating the 
provision of drinking water in the disadvan- 
taged areas. The amount has been allocated 
to various States taking into account the cost 
involved in covering the parmanently disad- 
vantaged villages in each State and factors 
like organisational capacity, preparedness, etc,, 
of each State. A copy of this Ministry's letter 
No.Q. 11011/3/72— PHE addressed to all States 


and Union Territories giving the details of 
the scheme as also the State-wise allocations 
is laid on the Table of the House [Placed* 
in Library . See No. LT. 3525/72]. 

U. K. Scholarships for Indian Students for 

Higher Education and Research Work 

3673. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER- 
JEE: Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state : * 

(a) the types of scholarships available for 
Indian students for receiving higher education 
and doing research work in the United King- 
dom for which funds are provided by the 
Government of U.K. ; 

(b) the method of selection of students 
for such scholarships ; and 

(c) whether there have been any instan- 
ces when students selected or recommended 
by the Government of India for such scholar- 
ships have not been finally approved by the 
U.K. Government ; if so, Government of 
India’s reaction thereto ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) ; (a) 
The Government of the U K. offers awards 
under the following schemes : 

(i) Commonwealth Scholarship/Fellow- 
ship Plan : Government of U. K. 
Scholarships ; B 

. (ii) Commonwealth Education Study 
Fellowships ; and 

(iii) Commonwealth Medical Fellowhips. 

% • 

a 

(b) In regard to schemes mentioned at 
(i) and (ii) above : Applications are invited 
by advertisement in the leading newspapers of 
the country and also by circulation to State 
Governments, Universities, etc Duly consti- 
tuted Selection Committees consisting of ex- 
perts in the subject -fields on which the Minist- 
ry and the donor Government are also repre- 
sented, shortlist candidates to be called for 
interview after screening the applications. 
Candidates are interviewed and nominated 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 112 


on the basis of academi# qualifications, re- 
search work and publications ; professional/ 
practical experience ; knowledge of India/ 
donor country and general personaity, geneial 
awareness pnd mental acumen. Nominations 
are then forwarded to the agencies concerned 
in the U.K. which make the final selection 
from the nominations received. 

• 

In regard to (iii) above : Awards 

are made by the Commonwealth Com- 
mission on the nomination of British 
Universities and Medical Schools (made thro- 
ugh the Post-graduate Deans or directly by 
the Universities and Medical Schools) to the 
Commission, and also by the Medical Colleges 
and Faculties of Medicine in Indian Univer- 
sities with the concurrence of the appropriate 
governmental authorities in India. 

(c) There have been instances under the 
Commonwealth Scholarships and Fellowship 
Plan when some of the candidates nominated 
by the Government of India have not been 
finally selected. This, however, is unavoid- 
able under the procedure accepted by member 
countries for the Commonwealth Scholarship 
and Fellowship Plan. According to this pro- 
cedure a country which has instituted scholar- 
ships invites nominations from other countries. 
A preliminary competition is then held in 
the nominating country to shortlist nominees 
for final consideration by the awarding 
country . Any Commonwealth country which 
has a quota of awards to divide between other 
member countries invites them to send about 
twice as many nominations as the number of 
awards available to that country. A measure 
of flexibility is thus possible when final selec- 
tions for the scholarships are made by the 
donor country. 

In accordance with this the U.K. Com- 
monwealth Commission annually invites 67 
nominations from India with the intention of 
offering awards to at least roughly half this 
number. It is clear,* therefore, that only half 
the number of our nominees can expect final 
selection . 

Cost of construction of Second Bridge 
over River Hooghly 

3674. SHRI SOMNATH CHATTER- 
JEE : Will the Minister cf SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state the estimat- 
ed total cost of the construction of Second 


Bridge over River Hooghly at Calcutta and 
the extent to which the Centra] Government 
is going to bear such costs ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : According to the initial assess- 
ment of the Government of West Bengal who 
are primarily concerned with all matters 
relating to the execution of this work, the 
cost of this project (bridge and its immediate 
approaches) was estimated at Rs. 16.52 crores. 
The Government of India agreed in January 
1969 to provide to the State Government with 
a non-plan loan which is intended to meet 
the entire expenditure during the 4th Plan 
period on the bridge and its immediate ap- 
proaches. According to the latest information 
given by the State Government, this work is 
now estimated to cost Rs. 42.27 crores. They 
have added that the cost is likely to go up 
further due to price escalation. Insurance and 
additional work considered necessary. 

Re-Constitution of National Co-operative Deve- 
lopment Corporation as Apex Body for 
Agricultural Development 

3675. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Expert Committee on the 
National Co-operative Development Corpora- 
tion has recommended that the Corporation 
should be re-constituted as an apex body con- 
centrating on Agricultural Development ; and 

(b) if so, the reaction of t he Union Go- 
vernment ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) As provided 
in the National Co-operative Development 
Corporation Act, 1962, the present functions 
of the Corporation relate to the planning, 
promotion and financing of the programmes 
for the production, processing, marketing, 
storage, export and import of agricultural 
produce and other notified commodities 
through co-operative societies. The Expert 
Committee has recommended the extension of 
the activities of the Corporation to cover 
co-operative programmes for the development 



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BHADRA 6, 1894 ( SAKA ) 


Written Answers 114 


of, dairy, poultry, fishery, forest produce, 
tobacco and salt as well, and the constitution 
of a broad-based General Council represent- 
ing various co operative interests. 

(b) The recommendations of the Expert 
Committee are under consideration of the 
Government. 

Production and Buffer Stock of Groundnut Oil in 
Gujarat 

3676. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : Will 
the Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether Union Government have asked 
the Gujarat Government to create bufier stocks 
for groundnut in forthcoming groundnut oil 
policy ; 

(b) if so, whether Centre has also asked 
the Gujarat Government to raise the ground- 
nut oil production ; 

« 

(c) whether Union Government have 
also directed ihe State Government (o increase 
ihe production of substitute oils, like soya- 
bean ; 

(d) whether Union Government have 
agreed to help the Slate Government in 
achieving this aim ; and 

(e) if so, the mam features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P SH1NDE) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Increased production of groundnut is 
one of the piiority items in our plan 

(c) to (e). Yes, Sir. A centrally Sponsored 
Scheme for the development of soyabean 
production has been initiated in Gujarat since 
1971-72, Provision has been made under the 
scheme for the following financial assistance 
to the State Governmcrt. 

(i) k 23% subsidy on plant protection 

chemicals and equipment. 

(ii) 25% subsidy on improved seed subject 
to a maximum of Rs. 60/- per 
quintal. 


(iii) Grant of Rs. 200/- for each demons- 
tration of 0.4 hectaro (one acre) 
each. 

(iv) Entire cost of staff and contingencies. 

An area of 580 hectares \ws covered under 
this scheme during 1971-72 in Gujarat. The 
area coverage target envisaged for 1972-73 
is 2,000 hectares^ 


Central Aid for Dairy Projects in Gujarat 

3677. SHRI PRABHUDAS PATEL : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Union Government have 
agreed to give Central aid for dairy projects 
in Gujarat State ; 

(b) if so, the total Joan to be given ; 
and 

(c) and how many dairy projects are to 
be set up in the State ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Since 1969-70, Central Assistance is 
channalised to all the State Governments for 
the Fourth Plan Schemes in block loans and 
grants and is not related to any individual 
progamme or sector. 

.Under the Operation FJood Programme 
(WFP Project-618), Indian Dairy Corporation, 
Baroda, will give a loan of Rs. 6.25 crores 
for the Dairy Projects. 

• 

(c) Three new DairY Projects are being 
set up. 

Dominant position of a Private Company in 
Fishing Industry 

3678. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question 
No 1040 on 7th August, 1972 regarding 
dominant position of a private company in 
fishing industry and state : 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


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(a) whether the U.f. Government has 
advanced massive loans to* this Company out 
of PL-480 Funds ; and 

(b) whether this company has been 
exporting shrimps to its Associate in America 
at prices muefy cheaper than offered by 
Japanese buyers ? 

THE MINISTER OF $TATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) The 

US.A.I.D. had given a loan to Union 
Carbide India Ltd. from PL-480 funds in 
1963. This loan was for the expansion of 
the company's polythene and chemical 
facilities at Trombay and was not in 
connection with any fishing operation. 

(b) The firm has been exporting shrimp 
to an American firm. Union Carbide (India) 
Ltd. are operating from the Visakhapatnam 
Port where cargo vessels bound for Japanese 
ports do not call because of the limited 
quantity of frozen cargo available for export 
at this port. 

Request from States to reduce Free Market 
Quota of Sugar 

3679. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether any State Government has 
requested the Central Government to reduce 
the “free market” quota of sugar ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of their 
demands ; and 

(c) Government’s reaction thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No such request has 
so far been received from the State Govern- 
ments. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise. 

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Specific Schemes submitted by Andhra Pradesh 
Government under Crash Programme for 
Rural Employment 

3685. SHRI K. KODANDA RAMI 
RLDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to refer to the reply given 
to Unstarred Question No. 6024 on the 15th 
May, 1972 regarding the schemes under crash 
piogiamrr.e for rural employment submitted 
by Andhra Pi adesh Government duiing 1972- 
73 and state - 

(a) whether specific schemes under 
‘Crash scheme for rural employment’ have 
since been submitted by Andhra Pradesh 
Government ; and 

(b) if so, the estimated amount of the 
scheme District-wise ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). The Govern- 

ment of Andhra Pradesh have not up till now 
supplied the particulars of projects that may 
have been sanctioned by them during 1972-73 



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therefore, the information about estimated 
amount of the schemes approved district-wise 
is not available. However, the State Govern- 
ment has been asked to furnish the 
particulars. 

Shortage of D. T. C. Buses in Rural Areas 

3686. SHRI DALIP SINGH : Will 
the Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is very acute shortage 
of DTC buses in the rural areas of Delhi and 
the local leadership have been pressing the 
Corporation for deputing more buses on the 
routes of rural areas ; and 

(b) if so, how many roules have been 
provided after taking over of the Delhi 
Transport Undertaking by the Central 
Government ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) and (b). Prior to the 3rd 

November 1971, thirty-six main and subsidiary 
loutes were being operated, with a fleet or 
81 buses, to serve the ruzal areas. After the 
establishment of the Delhi Transport Corpo- 
ration, thiee new routes have been introduced 
and the number of buses increased to 85. 
On a few route®, the number of trips has also 
been increased and, in some cases, the routes 
extended to covei more areas. 

Representations have been received for a 
few additional trips on five routes and also 
for running bus services on new routes 
The request for additional trips is being 
examined by the Delhi Transport Corporation 
Authorities. The question of providing 
services on new toutes can, however, be 
considered only after some of the additional 
vehicles, for which orders have been placed, 
are received. 

Probation of Offenders Act 

368 /. SHRI NARSINGH NARAIN 
PANDEY : Will the Minister of EDUCA- 
TION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased 
tq state : 

(a) whether the State Government of 


Uttar Pradesh has adopted a phased pro- 
gramme to abolish the Probation Department 
without repealing the U.P. First Offenders 
Provision Act and doing away with its 
obligatory duties in spite of the policy of the 
Government of India to the contrary ; and 

(b) whether the U.P. Government so 
far has not enforced tfic Probation of 
Offenders Act passed by Parliament ? 

THE DEPUTY-MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELTARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D, P. YADAV) : 

(a) and (b). The Uttar Pradesh First 
Offenders (Probation) Act 1938 is enforced in 
Uttar Pradesh. They have not enforced the 
Probation of Offenders Act, 1958, which was 
enacted as a Central Act and would come 
into force m a State on such date as the State 
Government may notify. The State Govern- 
ment has not yet notified the date. 

In 1965, on grounds of economy, the 
Uttar Pradesh Government re-organised the 
probation work declaring a number of Distiict 
Probation Officers as surplus. They are 
reported to be reconsidering the matter now. 

Ships for Coastal Traffic 

3688. DR RAN BN SEN : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) how many Indian ships are engaged 
in Coastal traffic ; and 

(b) whether the total tanker tonnage would 
be barely 20,000 at the end of the Fourth 
Plan against the target of 80,000 ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) and 

(b) . 59 ships of 2,01,217 grt are engaged in 

coastal shipping. These include four tankers 
of 38,552 grt. Three of these tankers, of 
20,359 grt, will be more than 20 years old 
before the end of the Fourth Plan on 31-3-1974 
and will be (normally) due for scrapping. 
Out of the orders for five costal tankers of 
63,000 grt 4 one tanker of 11,000 grt is 
scheduled for delivery by the end of 1973. If 
three overaged tankers are scrapped during 



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the Fourth Plan, the coityft&l tonnage will be 
about 20,000 grt. By December 1975 how- 
ever, the remaining four linkers on order will 
also be delivered and $he tonnage will be 
about 72,000 grt. 

Plight of Harijans in Ffoodcd Villages in 
Delhi 

«. 

3689. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government's attention has 
been invited to the news item appearing in the 
“Times of India" dated 10th July, 1972 under 
the ‘‘Plight of Harijans in flooded villages*’ in 
Delhi ; and 

(b) if so, what special steps Government 
have taken to meet the requiements of the 
Harijans ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) 

Yes. 

(b) On occurrence of the calamity, the 
officers of Delhi Administration visited the 
affected villages. Free ration, fodder and 
fuel were distributed for a week to the 
affected families. Sirkis and bamboos were 
also distributed for proposition against the 
rains. 

Soyabean Cultivation 

3690. DR. RANEN SEN : 

DR. LAXMINARAIN 

PANDEYA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : , 

(a) whether during 1971-72 soyabean culti- 
vation has suffered a setback ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons thereof and what 
is the present target for soyabean cultivation ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

Sovabe&n Development Programme was taken 


up for the first time under a Centrally 
Sponsored Scheme during 1971-72 in four 
States namely, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, 
Gugarat and Uttar Pradesh. As against the 
coverage target of 45,000 hectares fixed for 
1971-72 in these States, an area of 32,317-97 
hectares (16,120—97 under pure crop and 
16, 197 under mixed crop) was covered. 

(b) The reasons for shortfall in achieving 
the target during 1971-72 are as follows : 

( i ) Non-availability of adequate quantity 
of good quality certified seed, 

(ii) High cost of certified seed. 

fiii) Lack of suitable variety for inter- 
cropping in cotton, which is the 
major plank of the programme in 
Maharashtra and Gujarat and 
absence of mosaic resistant varieties 
for Northern States. 

(iv) Problem of low germination of seed 
under field conditions, 

(v) Slow pace of development of protein 
food industries utilising the protein 
rich meal which would help in 
establishing a remunerative price of 
soyabean. 

The targets for 1972-73 for soyabean culti- 
vation in the above four States has been fixed 
at 59,000 hectares as detailed below, keeping 
in view the avaiiiabiliy of seed ; 

1. Uttar Pradesh 25,000 hectares (pure) 

2. Madhya Pradesh 20,000 hectares (pure) 

3. Maharashtra 12,000 hectares (mixed) 

4. Gujarat 2,000 hectares (mixed) 

59,000 hectares 

Delhi Administration decision to stop 
grants to Harijans’ Welfare 
Organisations 

3691. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Delhi Administration baa 
decided to stop grants to the Harijans 1 Wel- 
fare Organisatipns ; and 



12S Written Answers BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 


* (b) if so K the rearons thereof 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) 

No, Sir. In 1971-72 the grants to Harijan 
Welfare Organisations amounting to Rs. 0.53 
lakhs were disbursed. During 1972-73 the 
budget provision of Delhi Administration for 
this purpose is Rs. 0.50 lakhs. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Import of Foodgrains during Last Three Years 

3692. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there has been little increase 
in 1971 in comparison to previous year in the 
food imports of the country ; 

(b) if so, the causes thereof ; and 

(c) the total food import year-wise 
duiing the last three years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, 

Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 

(c) The following quantities of foodgrains 
were imported during the last three years : 

(figures in million tonnes) 


1969 

3.87 

1970 

3.63 

1971 

2.05 


Report of Study Group on Road Safety 

3693. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Study Group on Road 
Safety has submitted report to the Government ; 
and 


(b) if so, the main recommendations in 
the report ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMETARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) The main recommendations made by 
the Study Group are given in the statement 
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in 
Library . See No LT 3526/72]. 

‘Energy Packet* for Poor People 

3694. SHRI JAGANNATH MISHRA: 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is a proposal to have 
‘energy packet* for poor people in the 
country to break through in nutrition fields ; 
and 

(b) if so, the main features of the 
proposal, including total expenditure in- 
volved ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Central Food Technological Research 
Institute, Mysore, have reported that they 
have evolved a well balanced, ready-to-eat, 
food containing about 16 grams protein and 
providing 400 calories per 100 grams of food. 
This food is formulated from locally available 
materials. The cost per unit packet of 
50 grams of this food is expected to be about 
15 paise. The details regarding the scale of 
production and expenditure involved are still 
being wprked out by the Institute. 

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Change in colour of D. T. C. Buses 

3696. SHRI LALJI BHAI : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) why buses belonging to D.T.C. were 
repainted from red colour to light blue 
colour ; and 

(b) how much money was invested in 
it ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) The Delhi Transport Corpo- 
ration decided to change over to the present 
colour scheme because they consider it an 
improvement on the old. 

(b) Under the Delhi Motor Vehicles 
Rules, buses which are more than five years 
old are required to be -painted every six 
months and others once a year As and 
when buses are due for repainting, the new 
colour will be used and as such no extra 
expenditure is involved ; this work is being 
done departmental^. 

Maintenance of Lawns in Government 
Colonies, New Delhi 

c 

3697. SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANI ; 

SHRI VIJAY PAL SINGH : 

Will the Minister of WORKS AND 
HOUSING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether lawns in Nauroji Nagar and 
other Government colonies tire not being 
properly looked into and they are in a bad 
shape 

(b) if so, whether compllnt was lodged 


to the Nauroji Nagar Enquiry Office about 
the levelling and dressing of the lawns in the 
month of May but still it has not been looked 
into, if so, the reasons therefor ; and 

(c) the steps being taken to improve the 
conditions of the lawns in Nauroji Nagar ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) The residents of Nauroji Nagar 
asked for levelling and dressing of lawns 
This work could be ‘taken up during the 
rainy season only on account of non-availability 
of unfiltered water supply during summer 
months. The woik has sinee been com- 
pleted. 

(c) Like other colonies, the lawns in 
Nauroji Nagar are improved during rainy 
season. 

Disposal of Land and Flats un ‘No Profit 
and No Loss’ Basis by D. D. A. 

3698. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

(a whether Government had given an 
assuiancc in the House in 1966 to the effect 
that Delhi Development Authority would 
dispose of land and flats on ‘No profit No 
loss basis’ ; 

(b) whether the Delhi Development 
Authority is at present making a good amount 
of profit out of the sale proceeds of plots 
and fiats ; and 

(c) if so, the reasons for deviating from 
earlier announced policy ? 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b). According to the 
Government policy the plots are generally to 
be disposed of by auction. The no profit no 
loss basis it at an overall level and not at tbe 
level of individual plots or fiats. In the case 
of certain eligible categories the allotment of 



12 $ Written Answer » bhadra 6. 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 


plots or flats is made on no-profit basis and 
there may even be an element of subsidy. 
Pricing for flats is done on the basis of 
overall cost plus departmental charges and no 
profit as such is included. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Modernisation and Expansion of Hindustan 
Shipyard, Visakhapatnam 

3699. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Hindustan Shipyard at 
Visakhapatnam has finalised a plan for 
modernisation and expansion of the yard in 
order to remove the imbalance in equipment 
and physical facilities and also to replace the 
outmoded machinery ; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; and 

fc) the estimated cost of the plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) io (c) An Integrated Deve- 
lopment Programme for modernisation and 
expansion was sanctioned by the Government 
in October 1969 at an estimated cost of Rs. 
766.27 lakhs for implementation during the 
Fourth Plan period, the main features of the 
programme are 

(i) Provision of additional bays to the 
hull shop and certain major items 
of heavy equipment like plate bend- 
ing rolls, cold frame bending machi- 
nes, hydraulic press ; 

(ii) expansion of pre-fabrication bay, 

construction of one additional bay, 
procurement of 45 tons E. O. T. 
cranes, electric power distribution 
etc. * 

(iii) provision of additional cranage 
facilities at erection area and building 
berths. 

(iv) strengthening of jetty and provision 
of additional cranage facilities at the 
fitting out wharf. . 


(v) (a) provision of modern equipment, 
replacement of the old machines 
etc. at the machine shops. 

(b) social amenities like canteen, 
staff quarters etc. 


Orders secured for Constitution of Ships 

by Hindustan Shipyard Visakhapatnam 

3700, SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state ; 

(a) the number of orders secured so far 
by the Hindustan Shipyard at Visakhapatnam 
for the construction of ships, how many of 
these orders have been executed so far ; 

(b) whether with the implementation of 
the modernisation and expansion plan, the 
ship building capacity will go up considerably 
in the next few years ; and 

(c) if so, whether any efforts have been 
made by Government to secure enough orders 
to ensure maximum utilisation of the produc- 
tion capcity of the yard 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) The Hindustan Shipyard have 
so far built and delivered 55 ships (including 
small crafts) aggregating to over 4,81,982 
DWT. These include 49 ocean going ships, 
while the remaining 6 are small crafts like 
tugs, launches etc The shipyard have at 
present 14 ships on order and/or under various 
stages of construction. 

(h) The ccftnpletion of the modernisation 
programme including completion of the Wet 
Basin, will raise the annual production capa- 
city of the Shipyard from 2-3 ships of about 
13,000 DWT each to about 6 ships of that 
size. 

'c) For the present, Hindustan Shipyard 
have enough orders. They are also taking all 
necessary stef>s, with the assistance of the 
Government, wherever necessary, to secure 
more orders for the construction of ships. 



AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 132 


131 Written Answeri 

i 

McmotbbAi Reccivtiim Rural Cdliq 
from PoUtill Parties 

i 

3701. SHRI D. N; SINGH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any memorandarfrora political parties on rural 
ceilings ; and 

(b) if so, the main suggestions in each 
of their memoranda ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P., SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
Representations were received with regard to 
various aspects of ceiling on agricultural 
holdings. While some favoured radical ceiling 
which would leave with a family only one 
plough unit some others favoured higher level 
of ceilings. The Central Land Reforms 
Committee examined the various aspects of 
the problem before making its recommenda- 
tions. 

Memoranda on Urban Ceiling received 
from Political Parties 

3702. SHRI D. N. SINGH : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
any memoranda from political parties on 
urban ceiling ; and 

(b) if so, the main suggestion in each of 
their memoranda 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. 

• 

(bj Does not arise. 

Permanency to Employee of N.F, Corps 

3703. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI M. C. DAGA : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be piea&d to state : 

(a) whether Government are considering 


a proposal to make every Instructor of €hfc 
National Fitness Corps permanent before his 
services are transferred to the State Govern- 
ments ; 

(b) if so, when a final decision is likely 
to be given ; and 

(c) whether no one is likely to be trans- 
ferred without permanency ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) to (c). Government has 
decided that it would not be possible to con- 
firm the employees of the National Fitness 
Corps prior to the transfer of the instructors 
to the State Governments ; but on a request 
from the staff side the National Council of the 
Joint Consultative Machinery has asked a 
Committee of the National Council, compri- 
sing representatives of the official and staff 
sides, to consider the question of grant of 
permanent status to Government employees 
in some offices including the National Fitness 
Corps. In its interim report to the National 
Council, this Committee has noted that there 
had been useful discussions between the staff 
and official sides in regard to the employees 
in the National Fitness Corps and has recom- 
mended that these discussions should continue. 
This interim report of the Committee has 
still to be considered by the National Council . 

The transfer of the instructional staff under 
the latest terms offered by the Government of 
India has already started ; many States have 
taken over the instructors and other States 
are in the process of taking over the instruc- 
tors, none of whom has been made permanent 
under the Central Government. 

Charges aganist Purchase of grams apd 
Mustard Oil by F.GI. 

3704. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether there had been serious charg- 
es against the purchase of grams and mustard 
oil by the Food Corporation of India ; 



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BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 134 


J? (b) whether this matte; is being investi- 

by the Central Bureau of Investigation ; 
and 

(c) if so, with what results ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Some 
allegations have been received regarding the 
purchase of gram and Mustard oil by the 
Food Corporation of India. 

(b) and (c). The allegations are being 
investigated by the Central Bureau of Investi- 
gation or otherwise. 

Scheme of Social Security 

3705. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 

Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is no co-ordinate sche- 
me of social security in the country ; 

(b) if so 9 whether some scheme has been 
worked out ; 

(c) if so, the salient features of the 
scheme ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV): (a) Ad - 
hoc schemes of social security are being imple- 
mented by different agencies under the State 
Governments* No comprehensive scheme of 
Social security has yet been drawn up. 

(b) and (c). A proposal has been mooted 
for drawing up a comprehensive social security 
scheme to include the following : 

(i) Old persons who have no income 
and have no relatives with a direct 
responsibility to support them ; 

(ri) Orphans and children whose parents 
are not in a position to give them 
the basic needs of life ; 

(iii) Widows with no income of their own, 
during the first few months of widow- 


hood until they are able to join the 
labour force ; and 

Civ) Persons who are severely handicapped 
and are unable to earn a living and 
have no property of their own. 

> * 

The proposal is to coveoincreasing number 
of such persons every year. In the fifth year 
it would be possible to cover annually a 
population of 48.38 lakhs aged and infirm 
persons, 11.50 lakhs of destitute 
children, 1.00 lakh of widows and 
1 76 lakhs physically handicapped per- 
sons under the scheme: The total cost of 
implementing the proposal would be Rs. 758 
crores in five years. 

The implementation of the proposal would 
have ter be gradual depending upon the availa- 
bility of Funds. 

Final Decision on Ceiling of Rural 
Properties 

3706. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 

SHRI B. N. REDDY : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have taken 
a final decision regarding the ceiling on rural 
properties ; 

(b) if not, the reasons for this abnormal 
delay ; and 

(c) whether laws in this connection will 
be made effective from 1971 ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
The Recommendations of the Chief Ministers 
Conference are under * consideration of the 
Government. Final decision is expected 
soon. 

(c) Yes, Sir. 

Control over Allotment of Shops in 
Government Colonies In 
New Delhi 

3707. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether allotment of shops in some 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 136 


Government colonies of New Delhi is made 
by the Directorate of Estate whereas in certain 
colonies tl$e control vest* with the New Delhi 
Municipal Committee ; 

(b) whether it is proposed to transfer the 
control of shops<fn all the Government colonies 
in New Delhi to the New Delhi Municipal 
Committee : and 

r 

(c) if so, the reasons therefor and when a 
final decision is likely to be taken in the 
matter 7 


since the onset of present drought have been 
considered and the following amounts have 
been sanctioned for the present : 


1. West Bengal 

2. Madhya Pradesh 

3. Andhra Pradesh 

4. Bihar 

5. U. P. 


... Rs. 2.00crores 
... Rs. 2.40 ,, 

... Rs. 10.00 t , 

... Rs. 5 00 ,| 

... Rs. 10 00 t( 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes, Sir. The 

Directorate of Estates allot shops in the mar- 
kets that are under their control. 

(b) No, Sir. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Central Directive to States to help Drought 
Affected Farmers 

3708. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether any directive has been given 
to State Government and funds allocated for 
special grants to farmers in the county whose 
crops have been damaged by drought during 
the current year ; and 

(b) if so, particulars of the steps taken in 
this regard so far ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE},) : (a) and (b). 

The provision of, relief following the con- 
currence of drought or any natural calamity 
is primarily the resposibility of the States. 
In case the expenditure on relief and rehabili- 
tation measures, etc. is not within the ways 
and means position of a State Government 
they approach the Union Ministry of Finance 
for financial assistance, according to a pres- 
cribed procedure. The Ministry of Agricul- 
ture is, however, providing f short-term loan 
ggfiltance to State Governments for purchase 
and distribution of fertilisers, seeds and 
pesticides. Under this scheme, the demands 
itdeived from various St4'? Governments 


2. The State Governments were requested 
by the Mmistiy of Agriculture on 3rd August, 
1972, to examine immediately the effective 
measures to improve prospects of kharif 
cultivation, intermediate and rabi crops. It 
was urged that emergency irrigation arrange- 
ments of all types should be ensured ; seed 
supply arrangements and appropriate cultiva- 
tion and fertiliser application techniques 
should be devised immediately. Special pro- 
duction programmes are since being under- 
taken to meet the situation created by the 
drought in various parts of the country. 
Ministers and senior officers of the Ministry 
of Agriculture have visited several States and 
a number of measures have been agreed upon 
for immediate implementation by the State 
Governments. Special allocations of funds 
are proposed to be made to the State Govern- 
ments for implementing these special produc- 
tion programmes which will be in addition to 
the State Plan Programme. 

Sites earmarked for constructing New 
Hotel.* in New Delhi Master Plan 

3709 SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether some sites have been ear- 
marked recently for constructing new hotels in 
New Delhi Master Plan and if so, a broad 
outline thereof ; 

(b) whether the Hotels and Restaurants 
Association of Delhi has not favoured the 
selected sites and has maeje suggestions for 
providing different sites for the purpose and 
if so, a gist thereof ; and 

(c) whether those sites have been allotted 
to the hotel entrepreneurs and if so, the names 
thereof ? 



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BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Written Answers 138 


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING AND IN THE 
MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING 
(PROF. D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) 

to (c). The selection of sites to be earmarked 
for the construction of large hotels in Delhi 
is one of the subjects studied by the New 
Delhi Redevelopment Advisory Committee 
whose report is under submission to the 
Government. A decision on the allotment 
of sites will be taken by Government after 
consideration of the report. 


C.G.H.S, in all major cities 

3710. SHRI R. S PANDEY : 

SHRI M. M. JOSEPH : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal to 
introduce Contributory Health Service 
Scheme, presently operating in Delhi and 
Bombay, in all major cities to cover thte entire 
population there ; 

(b) whether a Study Team headed by Shri 
P. P. I. Vaidyanathan. Additional Secretary 
has made certain suggestion in this regard : 
and 

(c) if so, the main suggestions made by 
the Study Team and whether Government 
have considered them and taken any decision 
thereon 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) At present there 
is no such proposal to introduce Central Govern- 
ment Health Scheme m major cities to cover 
the entire population. However, the C G.H. 
Scheme at present operates in Delhi. Bombay, 
Allahabed, Meerut, Kanpur and Calcutta. It 
covers Centra] Government employees and 
Central Government pensioners including 
those who have retired with G. P. Fund 
benefit and their families residing within the 
areas covered by the C.G.H. Scheme. In 
Delhi only, the Scheme has been extended to 
Semi-Government/autonomous bodies and also 
to general public in selected areas covered by 


14 C G.H,S. dispensaries. It has also been 
decided to extend the C.G.H. Scheme to 
Madras and Nagpur during the current year 
1972-73. 

(b) and (c). A Study Team headed by 
Shri P.P.I. Vaidyanathan* Additional Secre- 
tary, Ministry of Education and Social 
Welfare, have made the following suggestions : 
b 

“In areas where the population is con- 
centrated comprehensive schemes may be 
worked out to provide a complete range 
of services for the people. We have 
already a good model in the Contrbutory 
Government Health Services Scheme 
operating in Delhi and a few other cities. 
Such Scheme may be introduced in all the 
major centres of population to cover all 
people.” 

The report of the Study Team has since 
been received and the recommendations will 
be considered. 


Agricultural Plan for States of 
Eastern Region 

3711. SHRI R. S. PANDEY : 

SHRI M. S. SIVASWAMY 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have decided to 
redraw the Agricultural Programme for the 
State in the Eastern Zone to lay more empha- 
sis on rabi cultivation ; 

(b) if so, the broad outlines of the new 
plan ; and # 

(c) the steps taken so far in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). It 
is planned to increase the area under Summer 
rice in the. eastern States of Assam, Bihar, 
Orissa and BVest Bengal. In addition, the 
cultivation of high yielding varieties of wheat 
which have also shown promise in this region, 
is sought to be extended during the ensuing 
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fixed tinder 
1972-73 : 

these crof|i for 

rabi/Summer 

State 

Target for 
HVP whet 

* 

(*000 hectares) 
Target for 

Summer rice 

Assam 

50 

< 

100 

Bihar 

1500 

400 

Orrissa 

50 

400 

West Bengal 

640 

400 


The required inputs viz-, seeds, fertilisers, 
pesticides and credit are being arranged and 
facilities are being provided for the develop- 
ment of minor irrigation. In addition, the 
State Governments are being assisted in the 
identification of potential areas for the imple- 
mentation of the programmes envisaged 


Draft Constitution of B.H.U. 

Student’s Union 

3712. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state . 

(a) the main features of the draft consti- 
tution of the BanaraS Hindu University 
Students* Union now pending before the Exe- 
cutive Council for adoption ; 

(b) how does this constitution differ from 
the old Constitution ; 

(c) the reaction of the students to the pro- 
posed Constitution ; and 

(d) when the Executive Council is likely 
to discuss the draft constitution ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASANl : (a) to (d). 
The required information is* being collected 
from the Banaras Hindu University and will 
be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due 
course. § 


Allocation for Soil Conservation daring 
Fourth Plan 

3713. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the total allocation made for soil 
conservation programmes in the Fourth Plan ; 
and 

(b) how much of this has been spent so 
far ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) An allocation of 

Rs. 158.65 crores has been made for Soil 
Conservation programmes during the Fourth 
Plan for various State and Centrally Sponsored 
Schemes. 

(b) A sum of Rs. 92.05 crores has been 
spent upto 1971-72. 

Uniformity in Primary, Secondary and 
University Educational Pattern 

3714. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Centre has circulated to 
States to elicit their views on draft Plan which 
envisages uniformity in Primary, Secondary 
and University educational pattern throughout 
the country ; 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ; 

(c) whether any State Government has 
sent any comment on the Plan ; and 

(d) if so, the contents thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI 
D. P. YADAV) : (a) to (d). No such 
plan has been circulated. However, the 
attention of the States has been drawn to the 
National Policy Resolution recommending 
inter-alia uniform educational structure in all 
parts of the country on tbe basis of 10 years' 
schooling, followed by a 2 year higher 



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secondary stage and a 3 year degree course, 
The matter was discussed in the Education 
Secretaries' and Directors' of Education 
Conference held in May, 1972. It was 
decided to retain status quo till the Central 
Advisory Board of Education meets. The 
Central Advisory Board of Education 
meeting on the 18th September, 1972. One 
of the items to be discussed by it will be the 
pattern of education in the country. 

Establishment and Maintenance of Central 
Tibetan Library and Archives at Dhararasala 

3715. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PAR ASH AR : Will the Minister of EDU- 
CATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether a proposal to give financial 
assistance for the establishment and mainte- 
nance of the Central Tibetan Library and 
Archives Dharamsala in Himachal Pradesh is 
under consideration of Government of India ; 

(b) the likely date by which the proposal 
would be accepted and the assistance com- 
menced ; and 


Engineering Colleges of India ; 

(c) the basis for the fixation of number 
of seats for Himachal Pradesh in thpse 
Colleges ; and 

(d) whether some seats are reserved for 
students from such States as* well which has 
Engineering Colleges in them ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) 42 seats were reserved for students 
from Himachal Pradesh in 1972-73, 

(c) The Government of Himachal 
Pradesh asked for the reservation of 42 seats 
and all the seats were reserved. 

(d) As for States having Engineering 
Colleges, seats are reserved only in those 
subject fields/Specialisations in which their 
own colleges do not offer facilities. 


(c) the likely amount of assistance ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) and (c). A decision on the proposal 
including the pattern of assistance is expected 
to be taken shortly. 

Reservation of Seats in Engineering Colleges 

for States having no Engineering College 

3716. PROF. NARAIN CHAND 
PARASHAR : Will the Minister of 
EDUCATION AND SOCIAL WELFARE 
be pleased to state : * 

(a) whether certain seats for the students 
from such States as have no Engineering 
Colleges are reserved in Engineering Colleges 
Of other States ; 

(b) if so, the number of seats reserved 
for Himachal Pradesh In the different 


Aid received from International Agencies for 
Agricultural and Allied Fields 

3717. DR. KARNI SINGH : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) The total amount of aid received by 
India from International Agencies for agri- 
culture and allied fields during the last 
3 years ; 

(b) How much of the above aid was 
given to the Rajasthan State ; and 

(c) The main features of the works 
undertaken and completed with that aid in 
Rajasthan as also the amount not utilised ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY l)F AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEI P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). A 
statement is laid on the Table of the House. 
[ Placed in Library . See No. LT— 
3527/72]. 



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Setting up of All India Mtodical Institute at , 
Bangalore 

3718. SHRI C. K. J&FFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether {here is any proposal under 
the consideration of Government to establish 
an All India Medical Institute in the South 
(Bangalore) on the level of A|| India Medical 
Institute of Sciences and Research situated in 
the Capital ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. 

(b) Does not arise. 

Three Months Training Course for Medical 
Practitioners 

3719. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 

SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Vaidyas, Hakims, Homoeo- 
paths and registered quacks are to be given 
three months Training in the diagnosis and 
treatment of diseases for getting Diploma or 
Certificates for starting Medical Professions ; 
and 

(b) whether Government would like to 
revise the former short and cheap diploma 
course with some modernisation of General 
Medical Practice— Urban and Rural — and 
make it uniform « throughout the country 
instead of three months training ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (al No. 

(b) A scheme to give a snort training to 
Vaidyas, Hakims and Homoeopaths for Rural 
Medical aid is, however, under examination. 


Complaints regarding Non-availability of 
Doctors in Rural Areas 

3720. SHRI C. K JAFFER SHARIEF : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
complaints regarding the non-availability of 
doctors in the rural areas or doctors with 
medical degrees but having no practising 
experience, having been appointed to such 
areas ; 

(b) whether such doctors have been 
involved in prescribing wrong medicines and 
improper vaccination in a number of cases ; 
and 

(c) if so, the measures taken by Govern- 
ment in this regard ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) There is a general 
complaint of shortage of doctors in rural 
areas. The Government of India have, 
however, not received any complaint about 
appointment of doctors without practical 
experience in such areas. 

(b) and (c). Do not arise in view of the 
above reply. 

Crop Insurance 

3721. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHARIEF : 
SHRI DHAN SHAH PRADHAN : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any proposal under 

the Government's consideration for introduc- 
ing crop insurance against flood and drought ; 
and • 

(b) if so, the main features thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 

The question of introducing crop insurance on 
a pilot basis is 9tilll under examination. 



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! Nationalisation of Segar industry 

(4 

3722. ' SHRI C.K. JAFFBR SHARIEF : 
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether some State Governments 
have approached the Central Government to 
nationalise the Sugar Industry ; and 


Administration and are being examined by 
them. 

Exploitation of Forests for Economic 
Growth of Employment Opportunities 

3724. SHRI M.M. JOgEPH : 

SHRI P. GANGADEB : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 


(b) if so, the names of such States and 
the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Only the 
Government of Uttar Pradesh have approach- 
ed the Centra] Government in this regard. 
The Central Government have already set up 
a Sugar Industry Enquiry Commission to 
undertake a comprehensive examination of the 
working of the Sugar Industry in the country 
and various problems relating thereto, espe- 
cially in the context of the demand for its 
nationalisation. The Central Government 
will examine the matter further on receipt of 
the report of the Commission. 

Seminar on Drug Abuse 

3723. SHRI M.M. JOSEPH : Will 
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any practical approach to 
check drug evil was discussed and decisions 
taken in the Seminar on Drug Abuse held 
in New Delhi on 28th July ; and 

(b) if so, the facts thereof and the steps 
taken by Government in this regard and 
progress achieved ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MI- 
NISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLA- 
NNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF WOR- 
KS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. CHATTO- 
PADHYAYA: (a) and (b). The Delhi Adminis- 
tration organised a two day Seminar on ‘Drug 
Abuse and Youth’ on the 28th and 29th July, 
1972. The recommendations of the Seminar 
were not received by the Government of 
India. These were received by the Delhi 


(a) whether Government have taken any 
steps to exploit the forests in the country add 
to ensure rapid economic growth and the 
expansion of employment opportunities ; and 

(b) if so, the main features thereof aod 
if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. 

The primary forestry activities themselves are 
aimed to ensure rapid economic growth and 
expansion of employment opportunities. 
These activities are those like creation of 
plantations. Silvicultural works, construction 
of roads and buildings, exploitation of forest 
produce and their transport etc. 

Additional activities particularly with a 
view to give a fillip to forest based industries 
on the forestry sector have been provided 
in the Five Year Plans. All these activities 
are labour-oriented and provide considerable 
seasonal employment. 

The creation of manmade forests with 
the attendant potential for employment oppor- 
tunities has received much attention in the 
Plans. About 1.78 million hectares of planta- 
tions have already been created during the 
period 1951-72 at a cost ofr about 736 million. 
Natural regeneration operations have also been 
undertaken to increase the productive value 
of the forest and provision of Rs. 933.06 
million was made during the IV Plan period. 
Scheme tike Rehabilitation of Degraded 
Forests, Development of Minor Forest Pro- 
duce Timber Operations, etc., have also been 
implemented t| ensure adequate economic 
growth. | 

In the Centrally Sponsored and Central 
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and Pre-investment Survey «lf Forest Resour- 
ces, attention has been ./given to identify 
exploitation potential of the forest to provide 
for more intensive usage of the resources. A 
provision of Rs. 139 lakhs has been made 
for the scheme “Forest Resources Survey” 
during the IV Plant period and about 8800 sq. 
km have so far been covered. The scheme 
“Prein vestment Survey of Forest Resources” 
taken up in J965 as UNOP/F^ O/Government 
of India Project is now continued as a Cent- 
ral Sector Scheme. This project envisages 
the survey of the availability of Forest Reso- 
urces and estimate the quantum of raw mate- 
rial for the establishment of various wood 
based industries. A provision of Rs. 160 
lakhs has been made under the IV Five Year 
Plan to survey an area of 85,000 sq. kms. in 
selected areas. 

Thus, the forestry activities and particu- 
larly the schemes in the Five Year Plans 
mainly aim at increasing the economic grovth 
of the country and provide employment 
opportunities. The surveys being undertaken 
are for the purpose of identifying more and 
more areas for economic exploitation of 
resources and thereby provide for additional 
employment opportunity and economic 
growth. 

D.D.A’s Naraina Flats, New Delhi 

3725. SHRI M M. JOSEPH : Will the 
Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether in the specifications of 125 

sq. yds. flats offered for sale by D.D.A, in 
Naraina in the first lot, series of mosaic 
shelves had been provided in kitchen but 
actually there is only one shelf in the kitchen 
of each flat ; „ 

« 

(b) whether on representation from the 
allottees, D.D.A. have in principle agreed to 
construct two more shelves in the kitchen of 
each flat ; and 

(c) if so, the time by which the shelves 
are likely to be constructed afd if not, the 
reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 


WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D.P. 
CHATTOPADHYAY) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) Yes, Sir. 

(c) The work is likely to be completed , 
in about three months' time. 

Projecting the Heritage of NetaJI through 

Youth Centres during 25th year Cele- 
bration of Indian Independence 

3726. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state whether Go- 
vernment propose to adopt plan for protecting 
the heritage of Netaji through at Youth Cent- 
res proposed to be set up aft oyer the country 
during the 25th year of the Indian Independe- 
nce in view of his activities and leadership over 
the Azad Hind Fauj liberation struggle ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV) : The 
programmes of the Nehru Youth Centres in- 
clude the organisation of a variety of informal 
courses on various subjects, including those 
designed to make youth acquainted with the 
country’s past heritage, the value of our 
Independence, the present tasks and the future 
challenges. The role played by Subhas 
Chandra Bose and the I.N.A. in the national 
freedom movement will also figure in these 
courses. 

Biography of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose 

3727. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state whether 
Government have adopted or are likely to 
adopt a plan for writing an authentic biogra- 
aphy of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose with the 
help of eminent scholars ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND DAPARTMENT OF 
CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : 
Government have brought out the biography 
of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose in Hindi. The 
National Book Trust has also brought out 
under the ‘Young India Library* series a book 
on the stoty of I.N.A., which is more or 
less the biography of Netsyi. Government are 



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|Uo bringing out NetajPs biography in the 
*Btrilders of Modern India” series as well as 
g publication of selected letters and writings 
of Netaji with the help of Netaji Research 
Bureau, Calqutta. Apart from the publications 
mentioned above there is no proposal under 
the consideration of Government at present 
for writing an ‘authentic biography’ of Netaji 
with the help of eminent scholars. 

Projecting the Heritage of National Integration 
in Netaji’s Azad Hind movement during the 

25th Year Celebration of Independence 

3729. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the heritage of national 
integration in Netaji’s Azad Hind Movement 
will be projected before the Indian people 
during the 25th year of celebration of Indepen- 
dence; 

(b) whether life, activities and ideals of 
Netaji also will be adequately highlighted 
during the occasion ; and 

(c) if so, details about the programmes 
and if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D.P. YADAV) : (a) to 
(c). The Ministry of Education and Social 
Welfare has through the National Book Trust 
brought out a book on the ‘Story of the INA* 
in English and Tamil designed to inform young 
people of the life and activities of Subash 
Chandra Bose, and of the enthusiasm and 
sacrifice of the Indian National Army in the 
fight for India's freedom. This book will also 
be translated in other regional languages. 

The books will be distributed through the 
Raja Rammohan Roy Library on to the 
district libraries and will eventually reach the 
village reading public. 

As part of the 25th Anniversary of India's 
Independence, the Ministry propose to bring 
out ad authentic history of the INA. The 
book also will be made available in all the 
regional languages. 

Besides the above, the Gallery of National 


Leaders proposed to be set up during the 
anniversary year in New Delhi will also 
highlight the life and activities of Netaji 
Subash' Chandra Bose and the role of Azad 
Hind Fauj in the National freedom movement. 

Cost of Production of Sugar in India a9 
compared to othei^coontries 

3730. DR. H.P. SHARMA : Will the 
Minister of Ag^culture be pleased to state : 

(a) the present cost of production of 
sugar in the country as compared to that in 
other major sugar producing countries and the 
reasons for higher cost of production in India 
in comparison to that in other countries ; and 

(b) the difference between the cost of 
production in India and the average internat- 
ional prices of sugar at present and the loss 
incurred by the Sugar Industry per annum on 
the export of sugar during 1971-72 and 
estimated loss on this account for 1972-73 as 
per existing commitments ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROP. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). No comparative 
statistics are available regarding the present 
cost of production of sugar in this country 
and in other major sugar producing countries. 
Statement indicating the present cost of produc- 
tion of sugar based on the minimum notified 
cane price and on the price schedules and 
other escalations recommended by the Tariff 
Commission, including a margin of Rs. 10.50 
per quintal by way of return on capital, in 
respect of the different zones in the country 
is, however, laid on the Table of the House. 
[Placed in Library . See No. LT. 3528/72] 

The major factors for the higher average 
cost of production of sugar in India as 
compared to fliat in other countries are as 
under : — 

(1) Small size of sugarcane holdings and 
consequent higher cost of cane produ- 
ction. 

(2) Low yield of sugarcane per hectare 

(3) Poor Juality of cane. 

(4) Seasonal nature of the availability of 
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(5) Old and out-Qoded plants and 
machinery in the qiu^ority of the sugar 
mills. 

L; 

(6) Smaller overall edacity per unit. 

The average of the London dally prices 
which serves as an 4 fndex of the interactional 
price of sugar, for the period January, 1972, 
to July, 1972, comes to £ 69.37 (Rs. 1334) 
per metric ton C.l.G. U.K, # 

Export of sugar is made on the basis of 
the calendar year. The export in 1971 
entailed a loss of Rs. 9.5 crores which was 
borne by the Government of India. The 
estimated loss on the exports in 1972 may be 
of the order of about Rs. 3 crores which 
would be borne by the Sugar Industry. 

Loss Incurred and Profit Earned by Sugar 
Industry during the Years 1971-72 
and 1972-73 

3731. DR. H. P. SHARMA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) the annual loss incurred by the Indus- 
try on controlled quota of sugar and how 
far it is offset by open sale quota of sugar 
and the extent of net income served by the 
Industry during 1971-72 and that likely to be 
earned during 1972-33 ; and 

(b) the increase in the prices of sugar 
under control and in open market during the 
past three years ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) On the assumption that 
the minimum notified price is paid for cane, 
the price fixed for levy sugar should not 
entail any loss to the industry. In fact, it 
includes an element of Rs. 10.50 per quintal 
towards return on capital. The^xtra realisation 
on free sale sugar ‘is expected to off-set any 
excess expenditure which the producer might 
incur, including that on account of payment of 
higher price for cane. The extent of the net 
income to the industry can be calculated only 
after the entire sugar produced during the 
1971-72 season is disposed of. It is premature 
to estimate the likely earnings o£ the industry 
during 1$7&73 as the sugar l-olicy for that 
year is still under consideration. | 

(b) A statement showing month-end 


(Friday) wholesale prices of sugar (controlled 
and open market) from 1968 h 59 (October-Sep- 
tember) onwards at six important»centres. is 
laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT 3529/72] 

Study of cost of Production on Agriculture 

Products for Purposes of Taxation of 
Agricultural Income 

3732. DR. H.P. SHARMA : Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE be pleased 
to state : 

(a) whether the cost of production in 
respect of different items of agricultural pro- 
ducts has been lately worked out for precisely 
determining the actual income earned by agri- 
culturists, with a view to ensuring taxation 
of agricultural income evenly with non-agricul- 
tural income ; 

(b) the cost of production per quintal 
so worked out in respect of different agricul- 
tural products ; and 

(c) the extent of profit assessed to the 
farmers in respect of each agricultural pro- 
ducts at present ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (AN- 
NASAHEB P. SINDE) : (a) to (c). There 

is no provision at present in the Income-tax 
Act, 1961, to subject agricultural income to 
tax. The question of precisely determining 
the actual income by the agriculturists with a 
view to ensuring taxation of agricultural income 
evenly with non-agricultural income, therefore, 
does not arise so far as the present Income 
Tax Act is concerned. 

However, a Scheme under which data on 
cost of production of principal crops grown 
in different States are being collected to meet 
the needs of price policy has been initiated 
recently. These data may be used for some 
other purposes also as and when available. 

“Cattle Gifted by Foreign Government 
Agencies” 

3733. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased , to state : 

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bj| foreign Governments and foreign agencies 
during the last three years ; 

(b) the amount of foreign exchange 
incurred ; 

(c) the number of cattle, out of those 
imported or gifted by foreign countries during 
the last three years, which died subsequently 
due to ill-health ; and 

(J) the reasons for not taking immediate 
action in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH): (a) 1241 exotic cattle 
received as gift through Foreign Governments 
and Foreign Agencies during the last three 
years 1969-70, 1970-71 r.nd 1971-72, were dist- 
ributed to various states as per statement 
laid on the Table of the House. [ Placed in 
Library .] See No. LT. 3530/72) 

(b) 739 cattle were supplied by the Govts, 
of Australia and Denmark as gift F.O.R. 
Indian Airport/Port. An amount of Rs. 
12,40,500.00 in foreign exchange was incurred 
to meet the transportation charges for 410 
cattle received as gift from foreign agencies of 
U.K. and U.S.A. and Rs. 2,50,136.65 were 
paid in Indian currency as transportation 
charges for 92 cattle received, through Austra- 
lian Foreign Agency. 

(c) and (d). Information is being collect- 
ed from State Governments, the same will be 
placed on the table of the Sabha as soon as 
the complete reply is received. 


Plan for Development of Agriculture in 
Telengana, Andhra Pradesh 

3734. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether any comprehensive plan is 
envisaged by the Centre for the development 
of agriculture in Telengana (Andhra Pradesh) 
and, if ko, the main features thereof ; 

(b) if not, why Central Government does 
not take up such schemes for backward 
areas ; and 


(c) whether such schemes are likely to 
be included as Centrally sponsored schemes 
in the Fifth Plan ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) Develop- 
ment of agriculture in Tctengana receives 
special attention as a part of the State Plan. 
Centre has no separate plan for this region, 
i 

(b) and (c). The Steering Group on 
Agriculture, Irrigation and Allied Sectors 
and a number of Working Group/Sub-Groups 
are at present engaged in the formulation of 
the approach to the Fifth Five Year Plan and 
policy issues requiring consideration. The 
strategy to be adopted for development of 
agriculture in the backward areas will receive 
due attention. It is too early to say whether 
there will be any Centrally Sponsored Scheme 
in this regard in the Fifth Plau. 

Sugarcane Yield and Production in 
Andhra Pradesh 

3735. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of AGRICUL- 
TURE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether sugarcane yield and produc- 
tion in Andhra Pradesh is quite high as 
compared to U.P. ; 

(b) if so, the reason why measures have 
not been taken to open more sugar factories 
in the State ; and 

(c) whether Central Government bans 
the production of *Gur’ in view of the glut in 
the market in the State ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER. SINGH)*: (a) The sugarcane yield 
per acre in Andhra Pradesh is higher than 
that in U.P., but tbe total production of 
sugarcane in Andhra Pradesh is much less 
than that in U.P. 

(b) In Andhra Pradesh, letters of intent/ 
licences have already been granted for the 
establishment of nine new sugar factories and 
four more applications are under con- 
sideration. I 


(c) No, Sir. 



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Incentive to DoctoreSrtling to work in 
Rural Areas 

3736. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : 

SHRI A. K. M. ISHAQUE : 

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Central Government 
gives incentive to the Doctors willing to work 
in the rural areas, where the population is less 
than 5000 ; 

(b) whether such requests have come 
from various States ; and 

(c) if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The Cen- 
tral Government gives 100% assistance to the 
States to enable them to pay an allowance of 
Rs. 150/- per month to the doctors who work 
in 400 specified areas considered to be distant, 
backward and difficult. 

Following steps are being taken by States/ 
Union Territory Governments to attract the 
doctors to rural areas : 

(i) Formation of unified cadre of doctors 
working in rural as well as urban 
areas ; 

(li) Provision of total package of incen- 
tives such as grant of rural allowance, 
transport facilities, free furnished 
quarters, protected water supply, 
electricity, etc. 

« 

(iii) Improvement of physical facilities 
of Primary Health Centres particu- 
larly in respect of buildings, residen- 
tial quarters, etc. 

(iv) Re-employment of retired doctors 
willing to serve in rural areas ; 

(v) Grant of advance incjsments ; 

(vi) Provision of large amounts of medi- 
cines and equipment in Primary 


Health Centres. Some States have 
also offered scholarships/stipends to 
the medical students for binding them 
for service in rural areas for a certain 
number of years ; 

(viii) Efforts are being made to strengthen 
the medical and health care facilities 
in the rural areas by the utilisation 
of the available manpower under the 
various system of medicines. 

Provision of Civil Facilities in the Rural Areas 
having A Population of 3000 during 
the Fifth Plan 

3737. SHRI K. RAMAKRISHNA 
REDDY : Will the Minister of HEALTH 
AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether minimum facilities with pro- 
vision of drinking water, sanitation, Health 
clinics and Family Planning Centres are to be 
provided to the rural areas having population 
of 3000 and above during the Fifth Plan ; 

(b) whether such directive will be issued 
to the States ; and 

(c) whether such centres are given special 
aid by the Central Government ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) With a view to 
providing better health and medical facilities 
in rural areas a scheme has been proposed for 
the Fifth Plan for the establishment of one 
Primary Health Centre for every 30,000 popu- 
lation and one sub-centre for every 5,000 
population having provision of potable water 
supply, sanitary disposal of excreta, medical 
relief and Family Planning services etc 

(b) and (c). The State Governments will 
be suitably informed after the Fifth Plan has 
been finalised. 

Favour by F. C. I. to Certain Firms 

3738. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
SHRI S. P. BHATTACHAR Y Y A : 

Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether undue favour was shown by 



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Written Answers 158 


the Food Corporation of India to some firms 
in Uttar Pradesh in regard to purchase of 
mustard oil ; 

(b) whether there are also complaints 
about the Food Corporation of India's pur- 
chase of sugar at higher rates from private 
parties ; 

(c) whether Government purpose to 
enquire into the matter ; and 

(d) , if not, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) (a) and (b). 
Government have received certain allegations 
about the purchase of mustard oil and sugar 
by the Food Corporation of India m Uttar 
Pradesh. 

(c) The allegations are being investigated 
by Central Bureau of Investigation or other- 
wise. 

(d) Does not arise. 


Implementation of Proposals of Forest 

resources as contained in Fourth Plan 

3739. SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the measures taken so far in imple- 
menting the proposals contained in the Fourth 
Five Year Plan regarding the country's forest 
resources; and 

(b) the expenditure incurred so far in 
this respect ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF.) 
SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b. Two schemes 

(1) “Pre-invejtment Survey of )Forest Resour- 
ces” and (2) “Forest Resources Survey" are 
continued during the IV Plan period for 
assessment of availability of raw material for 
the development of major forest-based indus- 
tries. 

The scheme on “Pre-investment Survey 
of Forest Resources*’ a Central Sector scheme. 


was taken up as a UNDP/FA O/GOI project 
in 1965 in the III Plan period and was comple- 
ted in October, 1968. During the IV Plan 
it is being implemented as a Government of 
India project with an outlay of R$„ 160 lakhs. 
An expenditure of Rs. 81.65 lakhs has been 
incurred during 1969-70 to 1971-72. Rs. 32.80 
lakhs have been provided * for the year 
1972-73. 

Under this prjject detailed aerial surveys 
are being carried out to assess the economic 
avadablity of raw material in the forests 
in the various zones in the country, in 
J. & K , U. P., Bihar, Maharashtra, M.P., 
Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Andaman & 
Nicobar Islands and Orissa. In addition to 
this rapid inventory work will also be taken 
up in the North-Eastern Zone. 

The Scheme on ‘'Forest Resources Survey” 
a centrally sponsored one, is continued from 
1968-69. An outlay of Rs. 139 lakhs has 
been provided for it during the IV Plan period. 
Under this scheme, fcld sample surveys are 
being carried out by the various States for 
assessing the availability of raw material in 
the forests for the development of forest based 
industries. 

From 1969-70 to 1971-72, an expenditure 
of Rs. 57.03 lakhs has been incurred and 
Rs. 20.00 lakhs have been earmarked for this 
scheme for 1972-73. 

Ministerial Posts in Indian Council of 
Agricultural Research 

3740. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW- 
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) the number of ministerial posts on 
the Research side of the Indian Council of 
Agricultural Restarch held by the Government 
side employees and the dffte of such appoint- 
ment in each case ; and 

(b) the number of Government posts held 
by Research side employees of the Council, 
and if none (i) the reason for the discrimina- 
tion made in the matter of appointment in 
respect of one&lass of employees only ; and 
(ii) steps take£? to surrender/transfer Govern- 
ment employfes/deputationists from autono- 
mous Indian Council of Agricultural Research 
to their own cadres/Departments and filling up 



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159 Written Answer 

x 

the resultant vacancy from Council's own 
employees ? x 

THE MINISTER 0F STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHtNOE) : (a) Twenty 
three. The date of appointment in each case 
is as under : < 

(i) 17.10.69 (ii) 27.1.70 (iii) 27.2.70 
(iv) 6.3.70 (v) 12.3570 (vi) 25.3.70 

(vii) 22 7.70 (viii) 14.8.70 (ix) 14.4.71 
(x) 4.6.71 (AN) (xi) 24.6.71 (xii) 1.10.71 
(xiii) 1.11.71 (xiv) 6.11.72 (xv) 24.11.71 
(xvi) 6.12.71 (xvii) 25.1.76 (xviii) 1.3.72 
(xxi) 5.4.72 (xx) 5.5.72 (xxi) 17.5.72 
(xxii) 26.5 : 2 and (xxiii) 1.7,72. 

(b) None. 

(i) and (ii) The twenty-three posts men- 
tioned above are on the Audit and Accounts 
Side and the work involved is of special 
nature. These posts are therefore filled by 
deputation of suitable persons of the Indian 
Audit and Accounts Department. As such no 
discrimination is involved. 

Forum for Ventilation of Grievances of 
Employees of I. C.A.R. 

3741. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAW- 
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is. no official forum 
like JCM. provided in the Constitution of 
India and under Government rules to enable 
the employees of the Indian Council of 
Agricultural Research to ventilate their 
grievances ; 

(b) if so, since how long this has been 
so and the reason therefor ; and 

« 

(c) whether any other machinery exists 
for the purpose ? 

* 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) to (c). The 
Scheme of Staff Councils which jvas operative 
prior to the introduction of the 1 ! J.C.M. and 
C.A. Scheme of the Central Golernment was 
adopted at the Headquarters as well as at 


various Institutes under the Indian Council 
of Agricultural Research. - 

The elections to constitute the Staff 
Council at the Headquarters could not, how- 
ever, be held in 1970 as sufficient nominations 
had not come forward and it was then decided 
to constitute the same after the re-organisation 
of the I.C.A.R was completed. 

Consequent on the final acceptance of 
the options of Government employees at the 
Headquarters of I.C.A.R., with effect from 
1st February, 1972, action to re-start the 
Staff Council at the Headquarters has been 
initiated. Stafi Councils have been set up at 
24 Institutes/Stations/Centres while action to 
set up the Staff Councils at the remaining 7 
Institutes has been taken. 

The Staff on the Government side of the 
Council at the Headquarters are covered by 
the J.C.M. and C.A. Scheme under the 
Department of Agriculture, 


Central Legislature Act Setting up Imperial 
(New Indian) Council of Agricultural 
Research 

3742. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHOW- 
HAN : Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether there is any Central Legis- 
lature Act promulgating the setting up 
of the Imperial (now Indian) Council of 
Agricultural Research referred to in the 
introduction portion of the book entitled 
“ Agricultural Research in India. Institute 
and Organisation” published by I.C.A.R. in 
1958 ; and 

(b) if so, the name of the Act and year 
of its enactment ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. 
The Indian Council of Agricultural Research 
was established in 1929 under a Resolution of 
the Government of India and registered as a 
Society under the Societies Registration Act, 
1860 (21 of 1860). 

(b) Does not arise. 



BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


16 $ Written Answers 

Setting up of an Office of Freight Invest!* 
nation Bureau at Cochin 

3743. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN : 
SHRIMATJ BHARGAVI THAN- 
KAPPAN : 

Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Kerala Government have 
requested the Centre to set up an Office of 
the Freight Investigation Bureau at 
Cochin ; 

(b) if so, the details thereof ; and 

(c) the decision of the Centre ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING AND TRANS- 
PORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : (a) A 
proposal for setting up of a branch office of 
the Freight Investigation Bureau at Cochin 
is at present under the consideration of 
Government of India. The Government of 
Kerala have also requested the Government 
of India to take early steps for establishing a 
branch there. 

(b) The Branch Office, will attend to 
the problems of shippers at the Cochin Port 
regarding Shipping space, freight rates, 
frequency of sailings etc. 

(c) The matter is under consideration. 

Assistance to Bihar Government for Con- 
struction of two National Highways 

3744 SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Bihar Government have 
asked for assistance from the Centre for 
construction of two National Highways in 
Bihar, one from Ranchi to Bhopal via Gumla 
and the other from Bokaro to Bhubaneswar 
via Ranchi and Chaibasa ; 

(b) if so, the amount of assistance asked 
fbr by the Bihar Government ; an < 

(c) the reaction of the Central Govern- 
ment thereto ? 


Written Answers M2 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI 01* 
MEHTA) : (a) to (c)» National Highway* 
are wholly the responsibility of the Central 
Government. The question of asking for, or 
of giving, any assistance for # the construction 
of any National Highway does not arise. 

Recently, the*Bihar Government submitted 
a proposal for declaration by the Government 
of India of some State roads as National 
Highways which included, inter alia ; the 
Ranchi-Bhopal road viz . Gumla and the 
Ranchi- Chaibasa-Bhubaneawar road. 

Bokaro is already c ortl M fle tf by existing 
National- Highways with Ranchi and Bhuba- 
neswar. 

The State Government have been informed 
that against the Fourth Plan provision for 
making new additions to the existing National 
Highways System, 4819 Kms. of roads have 
already been declared as National Highways 
which include about 250 kms. in Bibar also. 
All such further proposals, including the 
Bihar Government’s proposals referred to 
above have, therefore, now to wait for consi- 
deration when proposals for the Fifth Plan 
are formulated. 

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Schemes of Education Ministry for the 
Fifth, Plan 

3746. SHRI PURSHOTTAM KAKOD- 
KAR : Will the Minister of EDUCATION 
AND SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to 
state whether the Union Ministry of Education 
has prepared the schemes and proposals to 
be implemented during the Fifth Five Year 
Plan ; if so, the broad outlines thereof ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DEPART- 
MENT OF CULTURE h(SHRI D. P. 
YADAV) : The proposals for lie Fifth Five 
Year Plan of Education are uJder considera- 
tion. The Centra] Advisory Board of 
Education is expected to consider the broad 
outlines in its meeting scheduldi to be held 
on 18-19 September* 1972. Thereafter detailed 


schemes will be worked out in consultation 
with States/ Union Territories and the Planning 
Commission. 

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Jfoigfin Allotment/ Registration of DDA Flats 

1751, SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING 
be pleased to state : 

<a) whether allotment/registration of 
(tits sold by the DDA on cash down basis is 
wteyed by the DDA for Jong and the allottees 
nave to face a lot of difficulties ; 

(b) if so, whether Government servants 
who obtain loan from Government for .pur- 
chase of flat must complete acquisition of the 
flat and mortgage the same within three 
months under the rules : and 

* 

(c) if so, whether Government intend to 
advise the DDA to expedite allotment/registra- 
tion of flats in case nothing is obtaining from 
the allottees 7 

THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND 
HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING (SHRI Uftfk* SHANKAR 
DIKSHIT) : (a) Some delay pa the part of 
the Delhi Development Authority in the execu- 
tion of conveyance deeds in favour of allottees 


and consequent registration of ready-built 
flats was reported to Government. To over- 
come the difficulty a special form' of mortgage 
deed was devised in July 197] to be used by 
the allottees of such flats for mortgaging the 
property in favour of the President, as security 
for repayment of the loan. 

(b) Yes, Sir, The Heads of Departments 
are, however, competent to extend this period 
in deserving cases. 

(c) On receipt of complaints, the matter 
was taken up with the DDA who have assured 
that they were taking action to finalise the 
pending cases quickly. 

Nutrition-Cum -Health care Pilot Project for 
children in N.D.M.C, Area 

3752. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHARIFF : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) the details of the pilot project started 
in the capital for nutrition-cum-health care for 
pre-school children in New Delhi Municipal 
Committee area ; 

(b) the annual amounts to be spent for 
the purpose ; 

(c) the achievements made ; and 

(d) the number of stalls constructed for 
this purpose with construction cost of each ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) A pilot project 
for providing nutritions and balanced meal to 
pre-school children has been launched by the 
New Delhi Municipal Committee with effect 
from the 29th July, 1972 so as to cover 
children between the age-group of 1 to 5 
years, belonging to the low income group of 
Rs 300/- p.m. and less. A survey was 
carried out of eligible children and nursing/ 
pregnant mothers in the area surrounded by 
Pancbkuin Road, Mandir Marg, Pesbwa Road 
and Baird Road constituting 4388 families. 
Tokens were issped to 1587 children and 3V7 
nursing/pregnapt mothers who were found 
eligible untjer the scheme. Arrangements for 



<p Written Answers BHApRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) Written Answers 170 

supply of milk and bread have been made Central assistance for such schemes is in* 


fith the Delhi Milk Scheme and Modern 
bakeries, respectively. 

(b) The Committee has provided Rs. 7.50 
lakhs for t^e supply of Nutritions food under 
the project. 

(c) The project is functioning smoothly 
and achievements would be known only after 
a few months of its working. 

<d) Six distribution centres have been 
constructed for the purpose and besides this, 
two existing rooms in the Central Kitchen of 
the New Delhi Municipal Committee have 
been requisitioned for the purpose. The 
cost of new stalls/centres is approximately Rs. 
4500/- each. 

Slum Clearance Scheme for Patna City 

3753. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Patna Town is the district 
city despite its being the Capital of Bihar : 

(b) whether the entire city has turned into 
a slum ; 

(c) if so, whether under the Slum Clea- 
rance Scheme the Government of Bihar have 
sent any scheme to him in regard to clean- 
liness of Patna Town and if so, the main 
features thereof ; and 

(d) the reaction of Government thereto ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF, D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) to (d). The growth of slums in urban 
areas is directly related to the increase in 
population. The rapid growth of urban 
population in cities, including the city of 
Patna, has brought in its wake the problem 
of inadequate urban housing and the growth of 
slums. 

The Slum Clearance Scheme is in the 
State Sector since the Fourth Five Year Plan. 


eluded in the block loans and grants for State 
Plans. No central assistance is earmarked 
separately for Slum Clearance Scheme. State 
Governments are free to allocate funds for 
their slum clearance programmes according to 
their requirements and priorities. As such 
the schemes of slum clearance in Patna and 
other towns in Bihar have been returned to 
them with the advice that tfiey should finance 
them out of their State Plan allocation. 

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Designation of Officers in National Institute 
of Education 

3756. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI : 
Will the Minister of EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the National Institute of 
Education (N.C.E.R.T ) is not a learoing- 
cum-research body in the sense of a University 
or a College ; 

(b) if so, the justifications for designating 
its officers as professors, readers and lecturers : 
and 

(c) whether Government feel that there 
exist anomalies ; and if so, what the 
Government consider to correct steps 
anomalies ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : (a) 

to (c). The National Council of Educational 
Reserch and Training as its name implies 
undei takes both research and training 
activiies. For this purpose it maintains 
certain academic institutions such as the 
National Institute of Education, Regional 
College of Education, Multipurpose-cum- 
Demonstration Schools etc The academic 
staff are transferable among these Institutions. 
In view of this, the designations of professors, 
readers and lecturers have been adopted. 

The executive Committee of the NCERT 
had recently considered the question of stream- 
lining the designations and scales of pay of 
various posts in the Cotncil. It has been 
decided to retain the designations of profes- 
sors, readers and lecturers for the officers 
posted to the National Institute of Education. 
It has also been decided that the qualifications 
and scales of pay should, as far as possible, be 
based on those recommended by the University 
Grants Commission. 

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Investigation on sale of Fertilisers in 
Andhra Pradesh 

3758. SHRl R. MALLANNA : Will the 
Minister of AQRICULTURE be pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether the investigation regarding the 
sale of fertilisers in Andhra Pradesh has since 
been completed ; 

(b) if so, the result thereof ; and 

(c) the reasons for not completing the 
investigation so far ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). 
Investigation in respect of 33 claims submitted 
by seven firms has been completed and 
charge-sheets have been filed against all these 
firms under section 120-B read with 420 1PC, 
read with 109, 37 IPC, 467, 468 and 471 IPC 
read with section 5(l)(d) of Prevention of Cor- 
ruption Act, 1947. 

• 

It has also been decided to file charge 
sheets against four public servants for offences 
under section 5(2) read wi& 5(1 )(d) of Preven. 
tion of Corrufftion Act 1947 and also under 
section 477- A IPC in the\»se of two of them. 
Investigations rvgarding other parties are still 
proceeding. 

(c) Delay in completing investigation has 
been due to the following reasons : 

( i) Absence of any specific complaint 
regaljiag suspicious transportation 
claims, necessitating initial scrutiny 
of numerous records to identify road 
transportation claims of suspect 
firml About 3000 transportation 
claims were involved during the 



175 Written Answers 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 176 


period 1966-69. ^fter scrutiny, 192 
claims submitted 31 firms involv- 
ing 3368 vehicles were initially 
selected. 33 cljtfms, involving 7 
firms were finafy taken up for 
concentrated and Intensive investiga- 
tion. * 

(ii) Time taken in procuring records and 
documents from vinous agencies, 
official and non-official, and scrutiny 
of voluminous records seized. 

(iii) Verification of movements of 
hundreds of vehicles allegedly used. 
Investigation had to be made as to 
whether they were genuine transport 
vehicles. It was also necessary to- 
check movement during the relevant 
period, study checkposts, Registers 
en-route, verification of transport 
receipts produced, interrogation of 
transport authorities, operators, 
drivers etc. 

(iv) Widespread nature o r investigations 
covering the States of Andhra 
Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Maha- 
rashtra. 

Sub-Letting of Quarters in T Block of 
Sarojini Nagar 

3759. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : 
Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUS- 
ING be pleased to state : - 

(a) whether he is aware of large scale 
sub-letting of quarters b'y Government servants 
in Sarojini Nagar (formerly Vinaya Nagar) 
to persons other than Government servants ; 

(b) the number of such allottees in *1* 
Block who have sub-let their* quarters to non- 
Governmcnt servant* ; 

(c) the number of cases in which Govern- 
ment approval to this was obtained ; and 

(d) the action which Government propose 
to taken against the defaulter allottees ? 

THE MINISTER OF SmTE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH JND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WOltKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (aj Only a few 


complaints have been received in the Direc- 
torate of Estates in regard to sub-letting of 
quarters at Sarojini Nagar by allottees. 
During the period from 1st January 1971 
upto 21st August 1972, in all, 16 complaints 
were registered. Out of these, 11 were found 
anonymous/pseudonymous and no action has 
been taken thereon. In one case, subletting 
has not been proved and the remaining 4 cases 
are still under investigation. 

(b) No case of sub letting in T Block has 
been reported to the Directorate of Estates 
during the period mentioned in reply to 
pari (a). 

(c) and (d). Do not arise. 

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Om-hrldge for crossing Mandir Marg 
New Delhi by School Children 

3762. SHR1 D. P. JADEJA : Will the 
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLAN- 
NING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government are aware of a 
large number of Schools in Mandir Marg, New 
Delhi ; 

(b) if so, whether there exists no crossing 
on this road for about 10,000 school-going 
children over-bridged underground ; and 

(c) whether Government will consider 
to construct at least two over-bridge crossing 
on this road, which is under the jurisdiction 
of New Delhi Municipal Corporation, in view 
of the fact that almost all the Schools are on 
the West side of the road. 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) to (c). The 
required information is being collected from 
the concerned authorities and will be laid on 
the Table of the Sabha shortly. 


Target for production of high yielding 
variety of Cereals during 1971-72 

3763. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI : 
Will the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) the target set for the production of 
high yielding varieties of cereals for the year 
1971-72 ; and 

(b) whether the target has been achieved ? 

the Minister of state in the 

MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : ((a) The target 
under the high-yielding varieties programme 
is fixed in terms of area coverage and not 


production. It was 18.00 million hectares for 
1971-72. 

(b) The anticipated achievement is of the 
order of 17.95 million hectares. 

1 Construction of small vessels required for 
coastal shipping 

3764. SHRI ISHAQUE SAMBHALI : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether small vessels required for 
coastal shipping are not built in the country 
at present ; 

(b) whether the development of coastal 
shipping is hampered due to the shortage of 
such vessels ; and 

(c) if so, whether Government have any 
plan to encourage the construction of small 
vessels in the country ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) Indian shipyards have 
capacity for building small vessels. 

(b) Development of coastal shipping is 
hampered at present not because of shortage 
of building capacity of small vessels but 
primarily on account of lack of assured 
cargo. 

(c) Does not arise. 

Working Condition of Lady Hardinge Hospital, 
New Delhi 

3765, SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister 1 ' of HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING be pleased to estate : 

(a) whether ladies, who come for check- 
up during pregnancy period to Lady Hardinge 
Hospital, New Delhi are asked to sit on the 
floor and even ordinary benches are not 
provided, bathrooms and lavatories are 
immensely dirtyjbnd outdated and not cleaned 
frequently ; V 

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(b) whether tjp? general way of working 
is also not systematic and doctors are rude to 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


Written Answers 180 


the simple village folk patients and neglect 
them and do not examine them properly ; 
and 

(c) whether Government propose to 
investigate the whole matter and take 
remedial measures ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No, Sir. 

No patient is made to sit on the floor. There 
are enough benches for the purpose, 23 in 
the main waiting hall and 18 in the laboratory 
area. In addition, there are 15 benches in 
the examination area ; and each bench can 
accommodate 6 patients on an average. 

The bathrooms and lavatories are kept in 
hygenic condition as far as possible. 

(b) The working in the Hospital is 
systematic. All the antenatal clinics are held 
in the afternoon from 2 00 p.m. to 4 00 p.m 
The doctors perform their duties efficiently 
and sympathetically. 

(c) Government will certainly take note 
of and investigate if a specific case is brought 
to their notice. 

Condition of National Highways in Bihar 

3766. SHRI R. P. YADAV : Will the 
Minister of SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT 
be pleased to state : 

(a) whether some of the National High- 
ways like G. T. Road passing through Bihar 
especially on the spots near Dhanbad, 
Sasaram, Bushi, Bagodar are in very bad and 
unsatisfactory condition ; and 4 

(b) whether some huge amount has been 
sanctioned for the broadening of the road 
recently and if so, what are the plans in this 
regard and when it is likely to be completed 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS* AND THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) ; (a) The National Highways 

passing through Bihar are deficient as most of 


them have, at present, single-lane pavements 
with inadequate thickness, besides weak and 
narrow bridges and culverts. , These deficien* 
cies are being removed gradually under the 
successive plans. As regards G. T. Road, 
the same has a single-lane carriageway for a 
length of 322 Kms. out of the total length 
of 394 Kms. lying in Bihar, the present 
condition of the road is satisfactory for most 
of the Jength including sections near Dhanbad,, 
Bagodar and Barhi (and not Bushi). Due 
to the poor soil in the shoulders, the section 
of the road near Sasaram where it has a 
single-lane carriageway becomes bad during 
rains. 

(b) Estimates aggregating to about 
Rs. 13 crores have been sanctioned during the 
4th Plan period for widening and strengthen- 
ing the road, including reconstruction/ 
widening of bridges and culverts. The works 
are in various stages of execution and the 
same are targetted to be completed in about 
3 to 4 years. 

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Research in Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute 

3769, SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Vallabhbhai Patel Chest 
Institute is concentrating m<jjre on Fundamen- 
tal Research than on applied Research ; and 

(b) if so, the reasons therefor ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) No. The 

Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute conducts 
both applied and fundamental research with 
equal interest and devotion, depending upon 
the problems and gifts and skills of respective 
Scientists. For example, in applied research, 
the discovery of unknown allergans of India 
which were responsible for bronchial asthma 
and allergic colds has provided scientific 
treatment for lakhs of patients in India. 

(b Does not arise. 

Chemicals distributed by Vallabhbhai Patel 
Chest Institute 

3770. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Research Unit working 
under Council of Scientific and Industrial 
Research in Vallabhbhai Patel Chest Institute 
is not actually producing certain chemicals 
here but import them from abroad and repack 
it in the name of Vallabhbhai Patel Chest 
Institute and distribute it ; and 

» 1 

(b) if so, action Government are taking 
against them ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA): (a) No. Most 
of the produce listed by the Biochemicals 
Unit set up jby the C.S.I.R. at the V. P. 
Cheat Institile are made from indigenous 
raw materials. In very few cases where the 



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AUGUST 28, 1972 


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raw materials are not injigenously available, 
the Unit has to procure pem from abroad. 

(b) Does not arise. . 

Fay Scale of Employees Of Vallabhbhai Patel 
Chest Institute 

f 

3771. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND 
FAMILY PLANNING be pfea9ed to state : 

(a) whether the employees of Vallabhbhai 
Pate] Chest Institute have requested for the 
pay scale of the Delhi University employees ; 
and 

(b) if so, the action Government have 
taken in the matter ? 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : (a) Yes. 

(b) The proposal is under consideration 
of the Government of India. 

Study of Coconut Industry by Asian 
Development Bank 

3772. SHRI C. JANARDHANAN : 
Wiil the Minister of AGRICULTURE be 
pleased to state : 

(a) whether the Asian Development 
Bank has decided to undertake a study of the 
coconut industry in India along with other 
coconut producing countries in Asia ; 

« 

(b) if so, the nature of study to be made 
by the bank ; and 

« 

(c) how Jong will take to complete the 
study 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI 
ANNASAHEB P. SHINDE) : (a) A team 
of consultants constituted by the Asian 
Development Batik has already undertaken 
a study of* the coconut industry!*; India. 

(b) The objects of the stujy were 

. (}) To identify the ^bottlenecks of 


the maximum commercial end 
industrial exploitation of the 
coconut trees various products 
in the developing countries of 
the Asian Development Bank 
region ; 

(ii) Identification of possible bank* 
able projects in the coconut 
industry ; and 

(iii) To explore possible areas for 
multi-national cooperation in 
the coconut industry and to 
identify possible bankable 
projects that may be partici- 
pated in jointly by members of 
the Asian Community and/or 
other countries covered in the 
Study. 

(c) The Team has already completed the 
study in India during the period from 6.7.72 
to 22.7.72 and it will now submit the report 
to the Bank. 


Constitution of States Legislature Committee on 
Lines of Parliamentary Committee on Welfare 
of S. C. and S. T. 

3773. SHRI S. M. SIDDAYYA : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the former Union Minister 
in-charge of Social Welfare wrote to the 
Chief Minister of States commending the 
constitution of standing Legislature Com- 
mittees on Welfare of Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tribes on the pattern of the 
Parliamentary Committee set up in 1968 ; 

(b) if so, the nature of response so far 
received from different State Governments ; 
and 

(c) whether a copy each 'of Late Shri 
Menon's circular letter and of any reminder 
thereon will be laid on the Table 7 

THE DEPUTY MINISTBR IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND IN THE DE- 
PARTMENT OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. 
YADAV): (a) Yes f Sir. 



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Written Answers 186 


i (b) The Governments of Rajasthan, 
Mysore and West Bengal have constituted 
Committees for the Welfare of Scheduled 
dastes and Scheduled Tribes on the lines of 
the Parliamentary Committee at the Centre. 
The Government of Uttar Pradesh have 
agreed in principle to constitute a Com- 
mittee. 

In the States of Andhra Pradesh, Assam, 
Bihar, Gujarat, Haryana, Jammu and 
Kashmir, Kerala, Maharashtra, Orissa, 
Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Himachal Pradesh and 
Tripura and in the Union Territories of Goa, 
Daman and Diu and Pondicherry, Advisory 
Committee/Advisory Council on the lines of 
Parliamentary Committee had been consti- 
tuted. 

(c) A copy of the Circular letter is laid 
on the Table of the House. [ Placed in 
Library . See No. LT— 3531/72]. 


Functioning of ICSSR 

3774. SHRI. S M. SIDDAYYA Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government can give direc- 
tives to the Indian Council of Social Science 
Research not only in respect of its policies and 
programmes but also for resolving a difficulty in 
the matter of functioning of the Council 
because of any lacunae in its Memorandum 
of Association or in the Rules ; 

(b) if so, whether any such directives 
have so far been issued to the Council or any 
difficulty brought to the notice of Government ; 
and 

(c) the broad outlines of those directives 
and the difficulties in the matter of proper 
functioning of the Council ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE 
(PROF. S. NURUL HASAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. 

(b) No such occasion has arisen so far. 

(c) Does not arise. 


Terms and Conditions of Service remune- 
ration, Power and Duties of Member Secretary 
LC.S.S.R. 

3775. SHRI S.M. SIDDAYYA : Will the 
Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether the terms "and conditions of 
service, remuneration, powers and duties of 
the Member Secretary of the Indian Council 
of Social Science Research have been specified 
in the form of any regulations ; if so, the main 
features thereof ; 

(b) the name and date of appointment of 
the first Member Secretary of the Council, his 
present age and the period for which he has 
been appointed to that office; and 

(c) whether he is also functioning 
simultaneously in other capacity in his 
Ministry, and if so, what capacity and for 
how long ? 

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, 
SOCIAL WELFARE AND CULTURE (PROF. 
S. NURUL HASAN):(a) Yes, Sir. The extracts 
of relevant regulations are given in the, 
statement laid on the Table of the House 
[Placed in Library. See No. LT 3532/72] 

(b) Rule 14 of the Indian Council of 
Social Science Research provides that the 
first Member Secretary of the Council shall 
be appointed by the Government of India and 
shall hold office till such time a Member 
Secretary has been appointed by the Council 
with the approval of the Government. 
Accordingly Shri J. P. Naik was appointed 
tfafe first Member Secretary of the Council 
on 1st August, 1969. His date of birth is 5th 
September, 1907. 

He works purely in .an honorary capacity 
and has expressed his desire to be relieved as 
soon as possible. The Council has advertised the 
post and appointed a Selection Committee. Its 
proposals are awaited. 

(c) Shri J.P. Naik has also been 
functioning 4 Adviser in the Ministry of 
Education and Social Welfare in an honorary 
capacity frond July, 1959 except for the period 
from Octobef 1, 1964 to June 30, 1966 when 
he was appointed as Member-Secretary of the 



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Setting up of Cental Museum of Freedom 
Struggle 

3777. SHRI H.N. MUKERJEE : Will 
the Minister of EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have considered 
the question of setting up a Central Museum 
of Freedom struggle in the capital depicting 
various phases of India’s freedom movement 
right from the War of Independence of 1857 
upto the final victory over the British rule in 
1947 ; and 

(b) if so, the decision taken ? 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (Shri D. P. Yadav) : (a) and 
(b) Government propose to set up in New Delhi 
during the current year a permanent Gallery 
depicting the national freedom movement and 
role that various personalities played in the 
major events of that movement. The Gallery 
will cover in the main the period 1857 to 1947 
and will contain photographs and paintings of 
events and personalities, models, momentoes, 
voice tapes, transparencies and other exhibits 
which Will depict the various phases of the 
movement through visual and aural media. 


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Permission for Construction of a Road in 
District Shahjalianpur U.P. 

3778 SHRI J1TENDRA PRASAD : 
Will the Minister of SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT be pleased to state : 

(a) whether Government have received 
representation regarding permission to 
construct a road in district Shahjahanpur, 
Uttar Pradesh which runs parallel to the 
railway line from the Railway crossing to the 
cremation ground ; and 

(b) if so, what action Government have 
taken in the matter 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY 
AFFAIRS, AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
SHIPPING AND TRANSPORT (SHRI OM 
MEHTA) : (a) No, Sir. 

(b) Does not arise. 



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190 


189* Written Answers 

Contraction of Dams by Delhi Administration 

•> 

\ 

3779* SHRI DAUP SINGH: Will the 
Minister of AGRICULTURE he pleased to 
state : 

(a) whether certain dams are being 
constructed by Delhi Administration under 
Central Scheme of “Crash Programme” and 
whether Asola, Mahipalpur bandhs are 
covered by this scheme ; 

- (b) whether the Asola bandh caught a 

breach during recent rains due to negligence of 
engineers who could not complete the jobs by 
the scheduled date of 13 June, 1972 ; 

(c) whether the cement has very 
nominally been in used in the spillway 
constructed on Asola bandh and as a result 
of which the spillway was badly damaged; 
and 

(d) whether any enquiry has been ordered 
to probe into the matter and if so, with what 
result 7 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. Only 
extension of Asola bandh was taken up under 
Crash Scheme for Rural Employment, 
whereas Mahipalpur bandh is neaily a century 
old bandh and no work under Crash Scheme 
for Rural Employment has been undertaken 
on this bandh. 

(b) Asola bandh was breached due to 
unusually heavy rains on 8th July, 1972, No 
target date was fixed for its completion but 
efforts were made finish the work by end of 
June when rains are normally expected. 

(c) and (d). Some complaints of this 
nature were received. The Chief Engineer 
(Floods), Delhi Administration was asked to 
get samples tested. The Central Soil and 
Material. Research Station, Central Water 
and Power Commission, New Delhi have 
been asked to investigate the matter. They 
have collected samples and results of labora- 
tory test reports are expected shortly. 


12.02 brs. 

CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF 
URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE 

Policy Of Prohibition 

• SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : Sir, I call the attention of the 
Minister of Education and Social Welfare to 
the following matte? of urgent public impor- 
tance and I request that he may make a state- 
ment thereon : — 

“The recent moves to systematically undo 
the policy of prohibition enshrined in the 
Directive Principles of State Policy in the 
Constitution of India.” 

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 
MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND SOCIAL 
WELFARE AND IN THE DEPARTMENT 
OF CULTURE (SHRI D. P. YADAV) : 
Prohibition is a Directive Principle of State 
Policy. Article 47 of the Constitution requires 
that The State shall regard the raising of the 
level of nutrition and the standard of living of 
its people and the improvement of public health 
as among its primary duties and, in particular, 
the State shall endeavour to bring about 
prohibition of the consumption except for 
medicinal purposes of intoxicating drinks and 
of drugs which are injurious to health.’ The 
Union Government has been urging the States 
(which expression shall cover Union territories 
also) to tike positive steps in the direction of 
the implementation of this principle of prohibi- 
tion 

The Union Government has not given 
approval to any Act of any State which would 
have the effect of scrapping prohibition. On 
the contiary, it has offered financial assistance 
to the States to bring about prohibition, and 
has suggested guidelines for implementing this 
policy. The Five year Plans have incorporated 
programmes to promote prohibition. A Central 
Prohibition Committee has been set up to 
review the progress of prohibition programmes. 
The Central Government is also giving assis- 
tance to the All India Prohibition Council 
which is carrying on propaganda in favour of 
prohibit!^;, Educational programmes and 
mass media hjve also been used to create a 
climate in the country in favour of prohibition. 

It may ibwever be recalled that the 
production, maiufacture, possession, transport 
purchase and sale of intoxicating liquors is a 



191 Policy of 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Prohibition (CA) 192 


IShri D. P. Yadav] % 

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State subject. A number States which had 
adopted varying measures cf^rohibition during 
the first two decades of Independence have 
been reviewing the position and relaxing the 
laws for various reasons. The spread of illicit 
distillation has resulted in the death of many 
persons and proved to be a great hazard to 
health. This has been one of the main factors 
influencing the States to rationalise the imple- 
mentation of their prohibition policy. The 
objective is to work out an arrangement which, 
in their opinion, would be both practicable and 
consistent with the Directive Principle. 

The Administration of the Union Territory 
of Delhi has made no change in the basic 
policy regarding prohibition. They have only 
rationalised their excise arrangements. By 
controlling pricing, distribution, and sale of 
liquor they hope to combat illicit distillation 
and smuggling. 

The President of the AH India Prohibition 
Council had written to the Government to say 
that so long as complete prohibition is not 
considered possible, the best 'that the Govern- 
ment should do is to take over production and 
distribution of liquor of all varieties in its 
own hand to eliminate vested interests and 
unscrupulous traders. It was also suggested 
that this would act as a check against illicit 
brewing because much of this brew is sold by 
licence-holders who can buy it cheap from 
illicit browers. The Union Government, under 
the Constitution, cannot do this. The States 
may take such action as they deem fit or 
practical in accordance with this advice. 

It would, therefore, be incorrect to say 
that there has been any systematic move to 
undo the policy of prohibition. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN* MISHRA : 
Mr. Speaker, Sir, first I must express my 
amazement at the way this question is now 
being handled not by the Ministry of Home 
Affairs but by the Ministry of Education and 
Social Welfare. Earlier during this session 
questions relating to this were answered by the 
Ministty of Home Affairs and even the 
prohibition cell to which the hon.^Minister has 
referred was located in the Ministry of Home 
Affairs. I do not know whether it means 
any downgrading of the subjef so far as 
Government's estimation of it is doncerned. 


Secondly, Mr* Speaker, ! am not only 
amazed but am also ashamed to hear the 
defence put up by the Minister for the undo* 
ing of prohibition. What he has Bought to 
construe as rationalisation, to my mind, means 
relaxation or complete negation. I do not 
know whether rationalisation can be made 
synonymous with negation or relaxation. Any 
one who has been going through the news- 
papers and has been reading the very dis- 
turbing reports about proliferation of drinking 
would say that what the Minister has said is 
completely beside the point and that it is far 
from the truth. Here, I have got a picture 
which was published by the HINDUSTAN 
TIMES only few days back where we find an 
interminable queue of men and women 
and even children. I do not know whether 
any Government calling itself as the Congress 
Government about which I have got serious 
doubts — can put up with this kind of situation 
as appeared in the national press. One is 
simply ashamed to find such pictures. 

As you know, prohibition had been the 
very article of faith of our national movement 
which led to Independence. The national 
struggle against British imperialism was mostly 
based on Khadi and Prohibition Mahatma 
Gandhi had made it one of his life missions 
and once, when he was asked as to what he 
would do if he was appointed the Dictator of 
India, he said that the first act of his would be 
to introduce prohibition. 

What we find now, after 25 years of 
Independence, and particularly after the Gandhi 
Centenary year is that the entire country is 
almost wet. While we find drought in the 
fields, there is irrigation of human 
throats. Or, I would say, that while the Minis- 
ter of Irrigation may be failing in his duty, 
the Minister of Social Welfare is very much 
fulfilling his duty by irrigating the throats of 
human beings 1 


Therefore, we find that one lamp after 
another, lit by Mahatma Gandhi, is being 
snuffed out by the Congress Governments 
which happen to be jn power in most of the 
States at the present moment. 

This process of undoing of prohibition is 
taking place not at a trot but at a 
gallop speed. Earlier, while one-third of 



§93 Policy of 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Prohibition ( CA ) 194 


fat country and one-fourth of the population 
happened to be under prohibition, bow, only 
one»twentieth of the population happens to be 
under prohibition. Gujarat and a few districts 
of Rajasthan and a few districts of UP alone 
happen to be dry. Otherwise, the entire country, 
has gone wet. 

The position to-day, Mr. Speaker, is that 
we are spending about 2 5 to 3 per cent of 
our national income on liquor alone and the 
liquor revenue is increasing at the rate of 60 to 
70 per cent per year. It has gone upto Rs. 200 
crores from about Rs. 40 crores in the year of 
Independence and the total bill on liquor 
would be of the order of Rs. 800 crores 
annually so that during the course 
of the Fourth Five Year Plan, you would 
have a total bill of about Rs. 4000 
crores, more than the outlay on education and 
health in the country. 

This is the disturbing state of affairs. And 
right in the city of Delhi which is the direct 
responsibility of the Central Government, 
prohibition has been almost abandoned and 
yet, the Minister says that the Government is 
adhering to the policy of prohibition. 14 to 15 
per cent of Delhi's student population, it was 
discovered only the other day, happens to be 
addicts to narcotics and many of them happen 
to be addicts to liquor also. Would we like 
this state of affairs to go on ? If this is the 
progress of anti-prohibition, I do not know 
how can the Minister claim that the Govern- 
ment still adheres to prohibition. 

Some of the points which have been 
mentioned by the Minister are again not 
correct. The Minister says that the argu- 
ment of many of the States is that there has 
been a great increase in illicit distillation in 
many of the areas. Now, the proposition 
seems to be quite the reverse. Illicit distil- 
lation has been less in the dry areas than in 
the wet areas and one of the committees 
appointed by the Madhya Pradesh Govern- 
ment has come to this 'conclusion that illicit 
distillation was on the increase in the wet 
areas rather than in the dry areas. What is 
particularly the finding in the State of 
Gujarat 7 In the State of Gujarat, we do 
not have much complaint about illicit distil- 
lation! of which the Minister has talked so 
much. The hon. Minister says that there has 
. been a great deal of smuggling and things 
like that {interruptions) So far as 


smuggling is concerned, in the City of Delhi, 
there is now almost the same scope or even 
increased scope for smuggling because round 
about Delhi all the areas are wet. So, the 
scope for smuggling cannot be said to have 
.diminished in any way or the Government 
cannot be credited with spy efforts having 
been made in that direction to prevent 
smuggling. 

Government says that it cannot under 
the Constitution, take over this trade, the 
production and the distribution of liquor. 
May I ask this ? If that i9 so, if it is in the 
interest of the policy of prohibition, would 
not Government consider amending the 
Constitution so that it is in a position to 
take over the entire production and distri- 
bution of liquor ? 

So far as Governors are concerned, 
they have even today got the right to import 
liquor, duty-free. They have been doing this 
all along ; there has been absolutely no ban 
on Governors importing liquor duty-free. 
May I ask : What is the total bill of the 
Government so far as the liquor expenses are 
concerned ? What is the total Government 
expenditure on this one item of liquor alone ? 
This item appears to be on the increase year 
after year and now it has increased many 
times and 1 would like to have some figures 
from the hon. Minister. 

A few questions which the hon. Minister 
has not chosen to answer are the following : 

What exactly is the Government proposing 
to do, to implement the Goa resolution ? 

• 

, We, Sir, in the United Congress had passed 
a Resolution at Goa in the year 1968 and 
had adopted a 7-year programme for the 
implementation df prohibition throughout the 
country. But what do We find in the year 
1972 ? We find that the movement is taking 
place just in the reverse direction. Therefore 
my question is : What is it that the Govern- 
ment proposes to do now ? This is a 
question which they must squarely face and 
come out with a clear answer. What is it 
that they are gfing to do to implement the 
Goa resolution ? They must give a categori- 
cal answer to this. If they want to imple- 
ment the Goa resolution, what is the concrete 
programme which they want to follow, 
towards that eiird ? 



195 Policy of 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Prohibition i/Cd) 196 


SHRI R. S. PANIj|Y (Rajnaadgaon) : 
Goa was a wrong place. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Goa was not a wrong place ; perhaps this 
programme was entrusted to wrong hands. 

t 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rsya- 
pur) : Does the Goa resolution mean, the 
resolution was accepted by the people of 
Goa ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
When it is not acceptable to the people of 
Maharashtra, why do you ask about other 
people of other States of the country ? 
Maharashtra was the first State which went 
against the Goa resolution in December, 1968 
itself. 

My second question is this : 

Will the Government appoint a Committee 
to suggest ways and means of streamlining 
the programme and stop the reversal of the 
policy on prohibition ? 

There is another question which is also 
important. It is this : 

Will the Government think of banning li- 
quor advertisements throughout the country ? 
Now, the position is thip. Liquor advertise- 
ments are banned only in the city of Delhi, but 
nowhere else in the country. There are of 
course bans on advertisements on narcotics. 
Would not the Government consider 
extending this ban (as they have done in * the 
case of narcotics) also to liquor throughout 
the country ? 

« 

There has been* a demand for banning 
public drinking throughout the country. 
What does the Government propose to do 
about it ? ( Interruption ) Col Mohan is 
a famous name now. They had come out 
with an advertisement sometime back in 
which they had given the picture of the Prime 
Minister. They said in the* advertisement : 
Silver-lining in the dark night. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BftSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : After one lonsumes their 
product. 


MR. SPEAKER: A sympathetic neigh- 
bour is sitting by your side. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
The neighbour is very helpftil ; he will 
. cooperate. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr. 
Speaker, the Undivided Congress also involved 
you, Sir. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- 
wash) : In those days. 

MR. SPEAKER : I do not belong to 
any party at present. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I was 
only talking about your pre-Speakership days. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : We 
are not talking about political parties now, 
but we are talking about cocktail parties. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
You would be interested to 'learn that when 
the Shriman Narayan Committee was 
appointed in 1954 and it invited the 
three Service Chiefs, they promised 
the committee full co-operation if the nation 
adopted a policy of prohibition. So, I think 
that there is no element in the country which 
would not like to fall in line with this policy, 
if Government are serious about this. 

These are some of the questions which I 
would like the hon. Minister to address him- 
self to. Otherwise, this issue is now agitating 
the public mind very much and there might 
be great agitations on this issue, because all 
of us a? Congressmen had been pledged to this 
policy, and we had also made some sacrifices 
in respect of that policy. There must also be 
some hon. Members in this House who would 
have staged a dharna during the course of 
the struggle for Independence, in this regard. 

SHRI PILOO tfODY : But Congress 
souvenirs carry these advertisements. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Therefore, I would like to have some evidence 
of the earnestness on the part of Government 
to implement this national policy. Would 
Government, therefore, think of appointing a 
committee to go into this matter again 7 

Why is the report of the Baksfai Tek Gbaud 



Policy of 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) 


Prohibition (CA) 198 


iMudytaatn not being implemented or put 
into effect 7 This study team was appointed 
after the Planning Commission had convened 
a meeting and the Chief Ministers who had 
met had said that there should be a team 
appointed under the chairmanship of a 
judge. This team had made certain 
recommendations which were of a very 
objective nature. What do Government 
propose to do to implement the recommen- 
dations of this Bakshi Tek Chand Com- 
mittee ? 1 would, therefore, plead with 

Government to appoint a committee of 
Parliament to go into this whole question of 
implementing prohibition in a phased manner, 
and particularly to put into effect some of the 
recommendations or almost all the recom- 
mendations that have been made by the 
Bakshi Tek Chand study team. Since no 
action has been taken on that report, I find 
that a dark and dismal chapter has now 
opened in this country 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : He wants 
a Malaviya Committee now ? 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
If Shri K. D. Malaviya is willing to head 
that committee, I shall have no objection. 

SHRI PILOO MODY: He is drunk 
with oil. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Finally, I would submit that even for the 
Garibi Hatao programme, Government must 
implement this policy of prohibition. Other- 
wise, the Garibi Hatao programme would be 
converted into a Garibi Bhulao programme. 
If it is the main objective of Government to 
implement the Garibi Hatao programme, then 
my submission is that this should be the 
cornerstone ot that programme. Mahatma 
Gandhi's Garibi Hatao programme had 
prohibition as its kingpin, but now it seems 
that Shrimati Indira Gandhi's programme has 
antiprohibition as its Kingpin 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not make it a 
political issue, but let him as his question now. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I am 
trying to say that this prohibition programme 
is in the interests of the Harijans, Adibasis, 
labourers and the rest of the poor people, 
and if Government do not take serious steps to 
implement this programme 


SHRI K. D. MALAVIYA (Domariaganj) : 
There must be something specific and some 
concreteness about the points that he wants 
to make. He is giving a long discourse on 
prohibition, although I agree that there might 
be a few relevant points. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I 
have said nothing of a general nature. I am 
connecting it ,up with the Garibi Hatao 
programme. I am submitting that in the 
interests of the poor men in this country it is 
necessary that the prohibition policy must be 
implemented fully. Otherwise, what one would 
infer is that instead of the Garibi Hatao 
programme, we have y got the Garibi Bhulao 
programme, because it seem 9 to be the 
conclusion of the Government that since the 
miseries of Garibi cannot be removed, they 
must be drowned in a cup of liquor. That 
seems to be the conclusion of Government, 
Otherwise, we would not have this type of 
situation. 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : At the outset, I 
would say that the speech delivered by 
Mishraji is more of a political nature than 
of a recommendatory nature. So far as his 
contention is concerned, this House and the 
Goverhraent are concerned with this problem. 
But the directive principles are not enforceable 
in a court of law. Article 37 says so and also 
says : 

“...but the principles laid down therein 
are nevertheless fundamental in the 
governance of the country and it shall be 
the duty of the State to apply these 
principles in making laws". {Interrupt 
• tions) 

So far as the distribution of responsibility 
between the Centre and the States is concerned, 
this is defined in the Seventh Schedule : 
cultivation, manufacture *and sale for export, of 
opium is in the Union List; intoxicating liquors, 
that is to say, the production, manufacture, 
possession, transport, purchase and sale of 
intoxicating liquors is in the State List ; also 
in the State List are duties of excise on the 
following goodf manufactured or produced in 
the State ana countervailing duties at the 
same or lower rates on similar goods manufac- 
tured or produced elsewhere in India ; (a) 
alcoholic liqtmrs for human consumption ; 
(b) opium, Indian hemp and other narcotics 
drugs and narcotics... 



199 Policy of 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Prohibition (€ A) MO 


SHRI G. VISWANAtff AN : What is the 
relevance of this ? Can Jbe say whatever he 
wants ? 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : So far as implemen- 
tation is concerned, it is with the State 
Governments. i 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : What 
about the Centre and Union Territories ? 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : The Centre’s role 
1 is advisory in this respect. It cannot enforce 
its views on the States. In the two decades 
after independence, there has definitely been 
some deterioration in this sphere and the 
consumption of intoxicating liquors has 
increased. We have to remember that the 
production of alcohol is not a tedious process. 
It can be easily manufactured. Simply you put 
some toddy and then alcohol can be produced 
by any... 

MR. SPEAKER : Do not tell them the 
method of making it... 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : There has been a 
tremendous problem on the implementation 
side. We have definitely suggested to . State 
Governments that they should stick to the 
prohibition policy to the maximum extent. 

I assure this House that the Government 
will be coming forward with all kinds of help 
in its jurisdiction and power so that prohibition 
is implemented. ( Interruption ) As regards 
Delhi, liquor will not be supplied to persons 
below the age of 18 and to women. Regarding 
the photograph referred to by Shri Mishra, 
there is no woman in that photograph. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
There is. 

MR. SPEAKER : The man looks like a 
woman ! 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : Shri Mishra then 
referred to something about Governors 
importing liquor duty-free. At this stage, I 
am not aware of anything. 'So, I cannot 
comment on that issue. ( Interruption ) A 
number of measures have been suggested and 
they will be implemented by I well-meaning 
citizens as well as by volunary agencies 
to improve the standard of life. * 


About the Government taking over the 
production and sale of liquor, in this, the 
Ministry of Law has to be consulted and a 
lot of things have to be done. At this stage* 
I cannot comment on this. But the Govern- 
ment will definitely think over it. Certainly, 
about the restricted sale and use of alcohol, 
we are definitely implementing it through the 
Ministry of Education, as well as through 
other agencies and we shall be providing 
greater recreational facilites... 

SHRI PI LOO MODY : Wbat about Moban 
Meakin advertisements ? ( Interruption ) 

SHRI D. P. YADAV : Regarding the 
general points raised by Shri Mishra, defini- 
tely it is our concern: it is the concern of 
the Government of India, and with the co- 
operation of this House, and the Members 
of the House as well as all other voluntary 
agencies . . . ( Interruption ) . . .everything possi- 
ble will be done. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : My 
questions have not been answered at all. We 
have been committed to the policy of 
implementing prohibition within a period of 
seven years. What is the Government’s posi- 
tion with regard to that 7 A resolution was 
passed in the A ICC. The Government was 
committed to that policy. He has not said 
anything about it and about the Union territo- 
ries. They are their special responsibility. Here, 
the dry days have been reduced from two to 
one in the course of a week. ( Interruption ) 
The dry day have been reduced from 
two to one in Delhi. And then they are going 
to open more shops in Delhi. But they are not 
opening shops for essential things like food 
and other items. Let him say something on 
it. It is their special responsibility. 

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ercrsftm srsrr? *it ^ ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I am not preventing 
him. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He 
is trying to say something. Why shops are 
being opened in Delhi and why the dry days 
have been reduced from two to one in the 
course of a week ? ( Interruption ) 



BHADRA 6, 1894 (SARA) Adjournment 202 


Re : Motion for 

i SHRI B, V. NA1K (Kanara) : Sir. I rise 
oil a point of order. (Interruption) 1 am 
asking a relevant question. 

MR. SPEAKER : You cannot ask, ac- 
cording to the procedure. 

SHRI B.V, NAIK : Even my point of 
order has been refused. 

MR. SPEAKER : Order please. 

SHRI D.P. YADAV : We are looking 
into the matter and we have done our best. 
(Interruption) 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. 


12.34 hrs. 

RE. MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Sir, I have brought here copies 
of newspapers. The freedom of the press in 
West Begal has been curtailed. The Yuva 
Congress workers are burning things and beat- 
ing up the workers. (Interruption) This 
is a matter of the freedom of the press. I 
have written to you about it. 

MR. SPEAKER : You are speaking 
without my permission. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : We 
are also getting telegrams on this matter and 
you may allow at least a short notice ques- 
tion. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have examined it. 
It is a State matter. 1 am not allowing it... 
(Interruptions). Nothing will go on record 
unless I allow it...(Interruptions). 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU...** 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : Only one word from you will 
set at test all anxiety in this matter. If it 
involves the freedom of the press it is a matter 
of national concern. If it does not involve 
the question of the freedom of the Press, you 


should say what is your opinion about it... 

(Interruptions.) 

SHRI R.S. PANDEY (Rajnandgaon) : 
My submission is that anything under the 
sun can be discussed on the floor of the 
House but your permission is paramount. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir... ** 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. I am 
not allowing the adjournment motion. What 
the State Government is doing there is a 
State matter. It is final. Nothing will go 
on record. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : I am not 
pleading for the adjournment motion. But 
even if we have our disagreement with the 
opinions expressed by any particular paper or 
publication, there is no ground for setting 
fire to books and papers. This is not a 
method which can be supported. You may 
not allow an adjournment motion but you 
can give us some opportunity in some other 
form to raise it here. 

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed an 
adjournment motion. Anything happens, 
you come with an adjournment motion. Don't 
make it a matter of common occurrence every 
day. I have not allowed that adjournment 
motion. He should not insist on it. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I wrote a 
letter to you to make a mention about it. 

MR. SPEAKER ; Then how can you 
come with an adjournment motion, if you say 
you wrote a letter to me ? Then you say 
you have sent some other motion. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : Will 
you teil us how* to frame an adjournment 
motion which you will allow ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Don’t pass such 
remarks. I do not like it. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : What is the 
procedure ? ^ 

MR. SPEAKER : 1 am going to explain 
the procedures here, nor why ldo it or why 
I do not do ft 


**Not recorded. 



AUGUST 28, 1*72 


Adjournment At 


203 Re : Motion for*. 

SHRI PILOO MOlir : I do not want 
the reasons. I want to*-know bow we can 
bring an adjournment option. 

t 

MR, SPEAKER : Why are you shouting 
at the top of your voice J 

SHRI PILOO MODY Because I want 
to be heard. 

a 

MR. SPEAKER : If you think by 
scouting you can be heard, I am not going 
to allow it. 

SHRI TRIDIB CHAUDHURI (Berhara- 
pore) : I am not one who makes unnecessary 
noise over adjournment motions and other 
things. But if you always treat an adjourn- 
ment motion in this fashion and sort of— I 
do not want to use a strong word— reject it 
in your chamber. But there is also such a 
thing in the rules as discussion on the admis- 
sibility of adjournment motions. When we 
on this side of the House feel that the nor- 
mal processes of airing our views through 
newspapers, journals and other things are 
being obstructed, and when we also feel that 
this comes within the purview of the powers 
of the Centre so far as freedom of the press 
and other things are concerned, you can at 
least allow us to argue out the admissibility of 
the motion. You may hear us and then 
rule it out. 

MR. SPEAKER : Where I have some 
doubt, I do hear the hon. members. But 
where 1 have no doubt about its non-admissi- 
bility at all, I do not hear. ( Interruptions ) 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENT- 
ARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR) : We 
are not afraid of a discussion o? this subject and 
although we fully agrfe with you we will bow 
down to your decision, we do not think it is a 
matter which can be raised as an adjournment 
motion. Here I would like to say that Shri 
Piloo Mody of all people, a senior Member, 
has asked you in a very discourteous manner 
to tell him how he could table an adjourn- 
ment motion. Ip it proper Would you 
kindly ask trim t© withdraw the remarks be 
has made 1 (fntetruptions) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BO:|J : May I 

mfcke tny fobmission in one minlte 1 


MR. SPEAKER : You are fording me 
to allow you to make a submission. Every 
day it is happening. I say that it is ' not 
admissible. In spite of that, you keep on 
pressing me to allow you to make a submit* 
sion. I do not know whether it will tad. 
The question is not of giving you one minute 
or five minutes. The motion is not admis- 
sible. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Sir, Kindly 
do not forget that I wrote to the Chair in 
the matter seeking permission to make a 
mention of it. I have given notice of an 
adjournment motion which you disallowed. 
As soon as I was informed that the adjourn- 
ment motion has been disallowed, I wrote to 
you seeking your kind permission to make a 
mention of this because, as the representa- 
tives of the people when we go on getting tele- 
grams and parcels like this, we should 
least make a mention of them... (Interrup- 
tions) 

MR. SPEAKER : The adjournment 
motion has been disallowed. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I want to 
read the telegram. 

MR. SPEAKER : He may make his sub- 
mission in one or two minutes. But I am not 
prepared to accept his adjournment motion. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : When you 
said that the adjournment motion has been 
disallowed, I did not raise a voice. I wrote 
a letter, seeking your permission to make a 
mention of it. I want to read the telegram, 
if you will permit me... ( Interruptions ) 

MR. SPEAKER : The adjournment 
motion is disposed of. 1 allow him one or 
two minutes to say whatever he wants to 
say... ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Under what 
rule ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have 
received a telegram which reads... (Interrup- 
tions) , 

SHRI HA&I KISHORE SINGH (Poprt) : 
We have already taken a lot of time on this. 
Further, the reading of the telegram is irrele- 



Jfe ; Motion for 


BHADRA t, 1894 (SARA) 


Adjournment 206 


vlnt It should not be allowed.., .^{Inter- 
rations). 

MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed 
the adjournment motion. In spite of that, 
as Teq nested by Shri Indrajit Gupta and 
others, since he wanted to make some sub- 
mission as the representative of the people, 
I thought I will allow him to make his sub- 
mission for a minute or two and then say 
that it is a State subject. 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : If you 
now allow him to say something, an impres- 
sion will go round that you are yielding to 
pressure. That is improper ... ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR Sir, under what 
rule is it being permitted ? 

MR. SPEAKER : Perhaps, hon. Mem- 
bers have not followed me. I have already 
disposed of the adjournment motion. Then 
the Member says that he wants to make a 
submission. If I hear him then I will know 
what is the submission he is going to 
make. 

SHRI HARI KISHORE SINGH : Under 
what rule is he going to make a submission ? 
There is nothing before the House... (Interrup- 
tions) 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : He cannot read 
it. There is no rule permitting it. 

SHRI R. S. PANDEY : Sir, I do appre- 
ciate your generosity in allowing Shri Basu 
to read the telegram. But, as my hon. friend 
has rightly suggested, that the House should 
not get the impression that out of generosity 
you yield to a member. What is the business 
before the House ? The adjournment motion 
has been rejected. If the telegram relates to 
the adjournment motion, he cannot read it... 
( Interruptions ). 

MR. SPEAKER : So far as the business 
before the House is concerned, it seems to be 
creating noise and shouting at each other. 
That is all what I can say at the present stage 
••(Interruptions) 

They are shouting at you ; you are shout- 
ing at them. 


It is a big headache for the Speaker, for 
any Spe^ket— (Interruptions) May I explain 
to you he is not speaking on the adjournment 
motion now ? 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : On what 
then ? 

MR. SPEAKER : I have given him one 
minute to let me know on what he wants to 
speak now. § 

AN HON. MEMBER : He can mention 
the subject only . . . (Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, 
on what are you going to speak ? (Interrup- 
tions) Order, order ; please sit down. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Mr. Raj Bahadur, 
instead of controlling the party, is inciting 
them . . .( Interruptions ) 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : He cannot read 
that paper . . . (Interruptions) 

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Piloo Modi, don*! 
worry about them ; you worry about your side. 
(Interruptions) Mr. Jyotirmoy Bosu, now 
that I have not allowed the adjournment 
motion, you give it in writing to me as to 
what is the subject on which you want to 
speak and I will consider it later on. "(Inter- 
ruptions) This is not fair. I cannot allow 
the debate to go on. ..(Interruptions) 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : I 
want to raise a point of order, Sir. ..(Interrup- 
tions) 

MR. SPEAKER : 1 allowed him to speak 
for one minute. As there is too much noise 
now,J want to know on what he wants to 
speak. (Interruptions) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupzha) : 
Sir, I rise on a point of order . (Interruptions) 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Just now, 

you asked him to read out the telegram 

...(Interruptions). 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Here is a 
copy of the adjournment motion. The sub- 
ject-mater ^’(Interruptions). 



AUGUST 29, 1972 


207 Re : Motion for ^ 

-i 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN On a point of 
order. Sir. Before Mr. J^Miraioy Bosu (peaks, 
1 am raisins a very vital matter- . (Interrup- 
tions). 

MR. SPEAKER : Order, order ; kindly sit 
down for a while.. .(Interruptions). 

r 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Now you are yielding to the pressure from the 
other side.. .(Interruptions), 

MR. SPEAKER : May I explain to you ? 
It is very difficult in this noise to conduct the 
business unless there is some silence. All I 
did was that, after disposing of the business, I 
said, ‘Well, if there is no adjournment motion, 
let him make an observation for a minute or 
two'... 


SOME HON. MEMBERS : Yes, Sir, 

MR. SPEAKER : Have some patience. 
Now you are asking me under what rule. I 
have asked him to give me something in 
writing.. ..(Interruption) He can pass it on 
to me, under what procedure I can allow... 
{Interruption) He will get one or two 
minutes, but to dispose of your objection, I 
said, he can tell me under what {Inter- 
ruption) 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandiwash) : 
I want to make a submission: You allowed 
Mr. Bosu to read a telegramme. But when 
the members on the other side spoke, you 
changed your opinion. 


Adjournment 3H 

a minute or two, they are objecting to it.*. 

(Interruption) 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : So far as your 
permission to Mr, Bosu to say for a minute 
is concerned, we bow down to it ; we never , 
objected to it. We only wanted to know 
from you under what rule he will read any 
document. If he reads any document today, 
the other members also will bring documents 
and read them out tomorrow. This will become 
some sort of a precedent. My hon. friend 
is rising on a point of order. Can any 
member throw that on the floor of the 
House ? 

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MR. SPEAKER : I have seen Mr. Bosu's 
request. In this request. ..(Interruption) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN Mr. Speaker, 
Sir... 

« 

MR. SPEAKER : Please sit down. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I have been 
rising on a point of order. Kindly look this 
side b)$o - (Interruption) y 

MR, SPEAKER : It goes on every day. 
This dpgs not lead us anywhere. - All of you 
are, mature people. When tlere was no 
adjournment motion, I wanted p allow him 


If somebody rises on a point of order on 
his speaking, I have to allow it. 

13.00 hrs. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): 
What is the point of order ?... (Interruptions) 
There is no point of order. 

SHRI R. S, PANDEY : On a point of 
order. Sir... 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
Can there be a point of order on your order, 
Sir ? Your order is final. 

MR. SPEAKER ; Any Member can 
invite my attention on a question of procedure. 



BHADRA 6, 1894 ( SARA ) 


Adjournment 210 


20 $ Re. Motion/or 

He|bas invited my attention Jo a question of 
pn&edure. To solve it, I 103 , ‘Under what 
Ruts?’ 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEB : Now, the 
question has arisen. Under what Rule he 
should be permitted ...{Interruptions) 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : I have a right 
to rise on a point of order. Why am I here 7 
Can’t I raise a point of order. 

MR. SPEAKER : Can’t you speak a little 
less louder 7 

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MR. SPEAKER : I said, ’Under what 
Rule ?’.. ( Interruptions ) Are you interested 
in the proceedings to go on or not. So, I 
found some solution. Mr. Banerjee, I am 
giving you half a minute. 

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SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Because they 
were shouting, I raised my voice. 

* 

The point that 1 am raising is a very 
serious matter. I am not on the question of 
adjournment motion or your ruling on that. 
But, meanwhile, something has happened here, 
which this House will be doing a disservice to 
itself, if it were to disregard it Mr. Jyotirmoy 
Bosu, when a direction was given by you, just 
threw up w the entire papers before him...(/n- 
terruplions) 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Burnt 
papers. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Threw the 
whole paper. They are there. The question I 
am raising is whether or not he has committed 
an act of contempt. 

MR. SPEAKER : I am going to examine 
it. I will examine it. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : That 
is a subsequent development. 

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SHRI R. S. PANDEY : ^ would be a bad 
precedent if after an adjournment motion has 
been disallowed by you he is allowed to make 
reference to the same thing one! again, quoting 
H&S and 'All that. J 


Adjournment 212 

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MR. SPEAKER : I am going to examine 
that particular thing, and shall see whether it 
should be referred to the Committee of Privil- 
eges or not, and I am going to take it as a 
separate matter. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : May I make a 
submission, Sir ?... 

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SHRI PILOO MODY : It will help the 
matter... 

MR. SPEAKER : It does not mean any 
help... 

SHRI PILOO MODY : If you would 
please permit me, it will help matters, Several 
times you have laid down the procedure that 
you have been adopting all these days. It is a 
reasonable procedure in the context of how 
things are today. If Shri Jyotirrooy Bosu bad 


AUGUST 28, W72 



BMADRA 6, 1194 (SAKA) 


Adjournment 214 


211 He. Motion for 


permitted to read a telegram, that 
ly would not have watted so much 
time, nor would it have generated so much 
heat nor would & have destroyed*.. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : (Bombay 
Central) This sermon is not necessary in this 
House. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Unlike Shri R. D. 
Bhandare who sermonises all the time and 
gives some advice... 

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He is not helping me... 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I am helping you, 
if you would just listen to me... 

MR. SPEAKER : I did not allow it under 
adjournment motion. But if he wants to make 
a submission, he may make his submissions 
verbally. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : What I was saying 
was that it was precisely when on negligible 
things like this, the members of the ruling 
party, at the incitement of the Minister of 
Pariiamentary Affairs, I am ashamed to say... 

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS : No, no. 
( Interruptions ) 

SHRI PILOO MODY : This is an object 
demonstration of what I am trying to tell you, 
namely that nobody is permitted to make a 
statement in this House without the sort of 
barracking which is going on. It is precisely 
for this reason that I urge you that two minutes 
given at the right time is worth at least 25 
minutes spent otherwise. 

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MR. SPEAKER : The rule is that when I 
hold it in order, then I tell the House what it 
is about. 

Iam allowing Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu to make 
his submission. But if he goes by the rules, 
then my ruling will also go by the rules. Now, 
he can make his submission. But in the course 
of the submission, I am not allowing any 
motion... 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : But, let me 
point out to you. Sir, that you are sufficiently 
equipped to give any directive that you wish 
to give, under rule 389 which reads as follows : 

"All matters not specifically provided for 
in these rules and all questions relating to 
the detailed working of these rules shall be 
regulated in such manner as the Speaker 
may, from time to time, direct.” 

MR. SPEAKER :I am regulating it now. 

I have allowed him two minutes to say what 

he wants, but not on the motion... 

• 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You are 
competent to allow me to say this. I had given 
an adjournment motion on the Government's 
failure... « 

MR. SPEAKER : Let him not refer to the 
adjournment motion now. Let him say what 
he wants to say. 

SHRI JYCyiRMOY BOSU : All right. 
In obedience to your wishes, let me know whe- 
ther you want me to read the telegram... 

MR. SPEAKER : No, no. Let him say 
what he wants to say. 




215 Papers Laid 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


Papers Laid 216 


SHR1 JYOTIRMQY BOSU : What do you 
want me to do, Sir ? 

MR. SPEAKER : He may say in two 
minutes what he wants to submit. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Newspapers 
and periodicals in West Bengal which are 
writing things aganist Shrimati Indira Gandhi 
or the Congress are being burnt, and people 
are being beaten up, and thousands of new- 
spapers have been burnt at the point of the 
pistol at Sealdah station in broad daylight by 
Yuv Congress workers, and the Chhaatra 
Parishad workers. 1 am sorry that the Central 
Government have been quietly watching it 
What is this press freedom and freedom of 
circulation of newspapers ? It is a matter for 
this House to condemn. We condemn this 
action. The ruling party, conniving at anti- 
socials, is doing this and killing all democratic 
norms and breeding fascism in this country. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We repudiate all 
the insinuations and suggestions that the hon. 
Member has made. 


13.15 hrs. 

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE 

Report and Accounts of All India 
Institute of Medical Sciences 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 
PLANNING AND IN THE MINISTRY OF 
WORKS AND HOUSING (PROF. D. P. 
CHATTOPADHYAYA) : On behalf of 
Shn Uma Shankar Dikshit, I beg to lay on 
the Table a copy of the Annual Accounts 
(Hindi and English versions) of the 
All-India Institute* of Medical Sciences, 
New Delhi, for the year 1969-70 together with 
the Audit Report thereon, under sub-section 
(4) of section 18 of the All India Institute of 
Medical Sciences Act, 1956 [Placed in 
Library . See No. LT— 3509/72 ] 

\ 

Report and Accounts of Shipping 
Development Fund Committee 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND 


TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): 
I beg to Jay on the Table a copy of the 
Report and Certified Accounts (Hindi and 
English versions) of the Shipping Develop- 
ment Fund Committee for the year 1970-71, 
together with the Audit Report thereon, under 
sub-section (6) of section 16 of the Merchant 
Shipping Act, 1958. [Placed in Library . 
See No. LT— 3510/72.] 

Notifications under Essential 
Commodities Act 

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 
MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (PROF. 
SHER SINGH) : On behalf of Shri 
Annasaheb P. Shinde, I beg to lay on the 
Table— 

(1) A copy each of the following Noti- 
fications under sub-section (6) of 
section 3 of the Essential Commo- 
dities Act, 1955 : — 

(i) The Fruit Products (Amend 
ment) Order, 1971, published 
in Notification No S. O. 5593 
in Gazette of India dated the 
30th December, 1971 (English 
versions) and 17th June, 1972 
(Hindi versions). 

(li) The Fruit Products (Second 
Amendment) Order, 1971 
(Hindi and English versions) 
published in Notification No. 
S. O. 62lin Gazette of India 
dated the 19th February, 1972. 

(2) A statement (Hindi and English 
versions) showing reasons for delay 
in laying the above Notifications. 

[Placed in Library . See No. LT — 
3511/72 ] 

Accounts of the Committee for the 
purpose of Controlling and Super- 
vising Experiments on Animals 

PROF. SHER SINGH : I beg to lay 
on the Tabie a copy of the Audited Accounts 
(Hindi and English versions) of the Committee 
for the purpose of Controlling and Supervising 
Experiments on Animals, Bombay, for the 
year 1968-69 together with the Audit Report 
thereon, under sub-rule (4) of Rule 24 of the 



$217 Motion re . Sixteenth BHADRA 6, 1894 (SARA) Indian Copper Corporation 218 
! Rep . of B.A.C. ( Acquisition of Undertaking ) Bill 


.Committee for Controlling and Supervising 
Experiments on Animals (Administration) 
Rules, 1965, [Placed in Library . See No. 
LT — 35I2/72J 


13,16 hrs. 

LEAVE OF ABSENCE FROM THE 
SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE 

MR. SPEAKER : The Committee on 
Absence of Members from the Sittings of the 
House in their Seventh Report have recom- 
mended that leave of absence be granted to 
the following Members for the periods 
indicated against each 

(1) Shri D P. Jadeja— 10th April to 
1st June, 1972 (Fourth Session). 

(2) Shri M. S. Sanjeevi Rao— 31st July 
to 18th August, 1972 (Fifth Session). 

(3) Shri Chandu Lai Chandrakar— 31st 
July to 1st September, 1972 (Fifth 
Session). 

I take it that the House agrees with the 
recommendations of the Committee. 

HON. MEMBERS : Yes. 

MR. SPEAKER : The Members will be 
informed accordingly. 


JOINT COMMITTEE ON OFFICES OF 
PROFIT 


TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): 
I beg to move : 

“That this House do agree with the 
Sixteenth Report of the Business Advisory 
Committee presented to the House on the 
26th August, 1972.” 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 

i 

“That this House do agree with the 
Sixteenth Report of the Business Advisory 
Committee presented to the House on the 
26th August, 1972.“ 

The motion wav adopted . 


INDIAN COPPER CORPORATION 
(ACQUISITION OF UNDER- 
TAKING) BILL* 

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND 
MINES (SHRI S. MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM) : I beg to move for leave to 
introduce a Bill to provide for the acquisition 
of the undertaking of the Indian Copper 
Corporation Limited, for the purpose of 
enabling the Central Government, to conserve 
and exploit, in a scientific and rational 
manner, to the maximum advantage of the 
nation, the copper deposits in the Singhbhum 
belt in the State of Bihai, to utilise the copper 
deposits in such manner as to subserve the 
common good, in the context of the require- 
ments of copper in the country, and for 
matters connected therewith or incidental 
thereto. 

• 

MR. SPEAKER : The question is : 


Third Report “That leave be granted to introduce a 

Bill to provide for the acquisition of the 
SHRI D. BASUM ATARI (Kokrajhar) : undertaking of thte Indian Copper Cor- 

I present the Third Report of the Join* poration Limited, for the purpose of 

Committee on Offices of Profit, enabling the Central Government, to 

conserve and exploit, in a scientific and 
13.17 hrs. rational manner, to the maximum 

MOTION RE., SIXTEENTH REPORT OF advantage of the nation, the copper 

BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE deposit^ in the Singhbhum belt in the 

State of Bihar, to utilise the copper 
THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- deposits in such manner as to subserve 

TARY AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND the common good, in the context of the 

*PubIished in Gazette of India Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 28.8.72, 



219 General Insurance business AUGUST 28, 1972 (Nationalisation) SIB 220 

ty- 

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[Mr. Speaker] 

requirements of coppetf in the country, 
and for matters connected therewith or 
incidents thereto." 

The motion was adopted . 

< 

SHRI S MOHAN KUMARAMAN- 
GALAM : I introduce* the Bill. 


13.1$ hrs. 

GENERAL INSURANCE BUSINESS 
(NATIONALISATION) BILL 

MR. SPEAKER : Shri Cbavan. 


move amendments and get them .accepted 
once |ie makes his speech and proceeds. 

MK. SPEAKER : I have not received 
any intimation from him. The practice is 
that members inform me beforehand on such 
occasions. 

* 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am not 
opposing the Bill. 

MR. SPEAKER : He can speak when 
his turn comes. 

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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): I 
have a submission to make on the Bill. 

MR. SPEAKER : There is nothing 
before the House yet. Let him move it and 
make his observations. 

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : I beg to 
move* : 


I am getting very much thick-skinned. 
Every time, every hon. Member is getting up. 
This is too much, I am telling him that the 
matter is not before the House. He does not 
take it like that. The Minister is going to 
explain it. The Bill is going to come for 
consideration. He will have many opportu 
nities to speak on it. He has not sent mt 
any objection against its consideration. 
{Interrupt ion). 


“That the Bill to provide for the acqui- 
sition and transfer of shares of Indian 
insurance companies and undertakings 
of other existing insurers in order to 
serve better the needs of the economy by 
securing the development of general 
insurance business in the best interests of 
the community and to ensure that the 
operation of the economic system does not 
result in the concentration of wealth to 
the common detriment, fur the regulation 
and control of such business and foi» 
matters connected therewith or incidental 
thereto, as reported by the Joint Com- 
mittee, be taken into consideration." 

SHRI S. M. BANEfcJEE rose- 

SHR1 YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
Let me make my observations and then he 
can say what he wants. 

MR. SPEAKER : Why is ht impatient ? 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE I have never 
wanted to oppose it. 

MR SPEAKER : Order, please. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : As 
the House is aware, the General Insurance 
Business (Nationalisation) Bill, 1972 was 
introduced in the House on 29th May 1972 
and was subsequently referred to a Joint 
Committee of both Houses of Parliament on 
30th May, 1972. The Report of the Committee 
was presented to the House on the 21st 
August 1972. 

The Committee received representations 
from a number of bodies and also heard 
evidence from several witnesses. The Commit- 
tee have recommended certain changes in the 
Bill which are explained in detail in their 
Report. I need npt go over the ground again 
but I shall confine myself to a brief explana- 
tion of the more important provisions of the 
Bill as amended by the joint Committee. 

This Bill was introduced in pursuance of 


SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I am im* 
patient because we have no opportunity to 

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+ Introduced with the recommendation of the President. 



1 General Insurance BHADRA 6 t 
\ Business 

&e declared decision of Government to 
Rationalise general insurance business. It will 
life recalled that life insurance business' was 
nationalised in 1956 and the present Bill by 
nationalising general insurance business 
completes the process of nationalisation of all 
classes of insurance business. 

* 

I would like to say a few words about the 
broad structure of the Bill. The Bill visualises 
the setting up of a Government company called 
the General Insurance Corporation of India 
and four companies subsidiary to it. The 
functions of the Corporation broadly include, 
apart from carrying on general insurance 
business on its own, aiding, assisting and 
advising its subsidiary companies and also 
exercising supervision and control over their 
functioning by issuing directions to them 
wherever necessary In issuing directions, the 
Corporation is expected to keep in mind the 
desirability of encouraging competition amon- 
gst the companies as far as possibly in order 
to render their services were efficient. It will 
thus be seen that the Bill envisages a healthy 
competition throughout the country amongst 
the four subsidiary companies. The Bill 
provides that each subsidiary company shall 
act as far as possible on business principles. 

The four subsidiary companies will be 
formed by integration of the existing insurers 
in India carrying on general insurance busi- 
ness. Hon’ble Members will recall that under 
the General Insurance (Emergency Provisions) 
Act, 1971, the management of the underta- 
kings of all insurers carrying on general 
insurance business in India (with the exception 
of the Life Insurance Corporation of India), 
was taken over by Government. This take- 
over was made in order to enable Government, 
pending nationalisation, to carry out the neces- 
sary spade work for the ultimate take-over as 
visualised in the present Bill In taking over 
the ownership under this Bill, two different 
procedures have been adopted in the case of 
various categories of insurers In the case of 
each Indian insurance company (which is 
defined as an insurer having a share capital 
and is a company within the meaning 
of the the Companies Act), the shares 
are proposed to be acquired. In the case of 
other insurers which include, apart from 
foreign insurers, cooperative societies, mutual 
insurers and L1C, what is proposed to be 
acquired is the undertaking of the insurer 
relating to general insurance business. The 


1894 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 222 

reason for this difference is that the latter 
insurers either have no shares fn India which 
can be acquired or in the case of cooperative 
societies it is not desirable for Government 
to acquire the shares. On the “appointed day” 
the undertakings of all the latter group of 
insurers will be transferred to the Central 
Government and immediately thereafter to one 
or the other of the Indian insurance companies. 
Thereafter, the Central Government can 
frame one or r lore schemes providing for the 
merger of the Indian insurance companies 
between themselves so that ultimately there 
are only four companies (in addition to the 
General Insurance Corporation) in existence 
and that they are so situate as to render 
their combined services effective in all parts 
of India. 

I would like to draw the specific attention 
of Members to the following provisions in the 
Bill 

(1) The General Insurance Corporation 
starts with a subscribed capital of 
Rs. 5 crores which is required for it 
to function smoothly until it begins 
to receive dividends from its subsi- 
diary companies, 

(2) The amounts paid under section 11 
for acquiring shares or undertakings, 
as the case may be, will be treated 
as additional contribution to the 
subscribed capital of the Corporation. 

(3) Although under the Genera] Insur- 
ance (Emergency Provisions) Act, 1971, 
the management of the general 
insurance Business of LIC was not 
taken over, the present Bill provides 
for acquiring that undertaking (in so 
far as it relates to general insurance 
business) also. 

* 

(4) Some State Governments are at 
present carrying on general insurance 
business. They will be allowed to 
continue the business to a restricted 
extent, namely, in respect of proper- 
ties mainly owned by them or in 
which they have a substantial 
final fcial interest ; but otherwise they 
will be allowed to run off their 
business. 

\ 

All the employees of the existing insurers 
whose shares or undertakings are taken over, 



223 General Insurance Business AUGUST 2 1972 


(Nationalisation) BUI 224 


will be transferred to tltift companies under 
the new set-up and they will continue on the 
same terms and conditions With regard to pay 
scales, service conditions' etc. until and 
unless these are changed. In this connection, 
Members will recall that Government has 
already set up a Committee under the Chair- 
manship of Shri f K.P. Mathram to examine 
the existing organisational and administrative 
set-up in all the insurers and to make suitahle 
recommendations for an integrated and 
rationalised set-up in the future. When the 
recommendations of that Committee are 
recevied, naturally Government will consider 
the question of having uniform service 
conditions for the employees. 

The Joint Committee has inserted two'new 
clauses, namely, clauses 22 and 23. The 
former empowers the Central Government to 
transfer employees from the Corporation to 
the acquiring companies or vice verse or from 
one acquiring company to another if such 
transfer is desirable in the best interests of 
the nationalised set-up. Some fear has been 
expressed that this power might be used by 
the Central Government to victimise the 
employees, but I can say that any such fear 
is absolutely unfounded. 

Clause 27 contained in the original Bill 
empowering repatriation of assets of foreign 
insurers has been omitted. Since the Commit- 
tee felt that the matter can be regulated by 
administrative orders 

The Schedule to the Bill sets out the 
amounts payable by Government for acquiring 
the shares or the undertakings, as the case 
may be, of the existing insurers. In the Bill 
as introduced in this House, the total 
amount involved was Rs. ?3.03 crores of 
which Rs. 25.68 crores was for the Indian 
insurers (including the LFC) f and Rs. 7.35 
crores was for the foreign insurers. 

H 

When the joint Committee took evidence, 
almost all the witnesses had something to say 
about (he amounts proposed to be paid. On 
the one extreme, there were some witnesses 
who contended that no amount should at all 
be paid for taking over the arjjment that in 
the past, the shareholders or the proprietors 
had already enjoyed considerable benefit fiom 
the profits of the business. Thera was another 
opinion — you will see this one o / the minutes 
of dissent also -that the shareholders may be 


paid the amount of their paid-up. capital 
only. The argument apparently is that what 
the Shareholders have contributed should be 
returned to them and any appreciation in 
values of shares, for which the society at large 
has been responsible, should be returned to 
the public exchequer. The third category of 
opinon, which is at the dthcr extreme, conten- 
ded that Tull, legal proprietory rights of the 
shareholders should be respected and that 
apart front' the reserves for unexpired risks 
on minimum^ basis and provision for outstand- 
ing claims, the balance of all the assets 
should be returned to the shareholders. The 
first two views mentioned above raise idealo- 
gical considerations which are also very 
important, however for the same reason it is 
not possible for me to discuss them from the 
technical angle. As regards the third, 1 must 
say that it is an extreme view which cannot 
stand deep scrutiny. Every insurer carrying 
on general insurance business must create 
additional Reserves and these reserves serve 
not only as security for policyholders 
but also enable the insurer to write more 
business and cover more risks m the country 
itself. These reserves are built out of the 
premiums paid in the past by the policyhoders 
and needless to say these have come out from 
the margin in the premium which is always 
provided directly or indirectly, to take care 
of possible fluctuations in risks. Hon* ble 
Members wil appreciate that if all the reserves 
are paid to the erstwhile proprietors what is 
left namely the bare minimum policy liabilities 
will not enable the undertaking to continue 
functioning on a souud, not to speak of a 
strong, basis, To* my mind, the point seems 
so obvious that I may be pardoned for 
placing emphasis on this aspect. Neveothelcss, 
I think it is necssary to draw specific attention 
to this matter because a number of witnesses 
argued as if Government is expropriating 
what in law belongs to them, ignoring at the 
same time the necessity for continuing reser- 
ves m a runnning institution. We have to 
remember that we are nationalising general 
insurance to enable it to continue running in 
future and that we are not attempting to wind 
up the business and give away whatever 
belongs to the erstwhile proprietors. 

With regard to the amounts specified in 
the Bill, it was argued in the Select Committee 
that there was discrimination inter se between 
Indian insurers as well as discrimnation 
between Indian and foreign insurers. It was 
contended that those Indian insurance com- 



General Insurance bhadra 6, 
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pa$es wliicji followed a conservative dividend 
poffcy to order to build up a sound reserve 
potation got a raw deal to comparison wifth 
otttfer companies which distributed higher 
dividends. As regards foreign insurers, it was 
argued that the amounts specified to the 
Schedule discriminated in their favbur and 
that the Indian ingurersfyrhould get at least the 
same treatment, if not better, as all their 
assets are retained in the country. To *meet 
these points, the amounts mentioned in the 
Schedule were reviewed and the amounts 
were increased for 31 Indian insurers. The 
total amount payable to Indian insurers has 
gone up from Rs. 25 68 crores to Rs. 30-70 
crores. After the above changes, the amounts 
in the Schedule can, of course, still be assailed 
on the ground that they are generous or 
inadequate depending on the political philoso- 
phy of the person criticising them. But the 
amounts cannot be assailed on the basis that 
they are arbitrary or discriminatory as between 
the Indian and foreign insurers or as among 
the Indian insurers Inter se. I should add 
that while arriving at these final figures given 
in Schedule A and B, we have taken into 
consideration arguments advanced in Select 
Committee and also factors like dividend, 
assets minus liability, profitability etc. so as 
to ensure that there is no discrimination 
between insurers. 

Certain other criticisms of the Bill were 
made by witnesses and these have found place 
in some of the minutes of dissent. First, 
there is the suggestion that there should be a 
single autonomous corporation and not four 
or five units. This is a matter on which a 
number of representations were received by 
Government even earlier, mainly from emplo- 
yees unions. I may say that before drafting 
the Bill, very careful consideration was given 
to the suggestions received, but Government 
came to the conclusion that four units com- 
peting with each other throughout India 
would be the best in the circumstances. The 
evidence given before the Committee has not 
brought out any fresh point for changing this 
view. 

In one minute of dissent a suggestion has 
been made that the 'appointed day* should be 
advanced suitably to avoid continuing to pay 
management compensation, Government fully 
appreciates the need for fixing the “appointed 
day” as early as possible for saving payment 
of management compensation. Naturally, 


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we have also to take into account the time 
required for the preliminary work which has 
to be completed before the appointed day. 
The appointed day will be fixed taking all the 
various aspects into consideration. Shri 
Babubhai Chinai in his minute of dissent has 
suggested that the rate ofr interest on instal- 
ments should be raised^ Min 4% to 12%. 
When Government is ableV^borrow at 5J% 
or 5£% even for long term loans I do not see 
how it will be tttarect to pay 12% on the 
instalments. It must be remembered that it 
is not as if the interest is being paid as a 
penal measure on account of delay on pay- 
ment ; the law itself provides for three 
annual instalments and save for the inevitable 
procedural time for making payment, interest 
is payable mainly for the period during 
which the instalments have been spread out. 
Shii Chinai has also suggested that a 51% 
majority of shareholders should be empowered 
to nominate a person or body to whom the 
amounts payable to them can be paid. I 
need only say in this connection that unless 
the amount involved is substantial, little 
purpose would be served by the provision and 
in many cases 51% of the total amount pay- 
able may not be a substantial sum. 

There were suggestions from some wit- 
nesses that provision should be made in the 
Bill for the absorption of the employees of the 
Calcutta Claims Bureau and similar organias- 
tions and some of the minutes of dissent 
also mention this point. I have given an 
assurance in the Committee that the emp- 
loyees of that Bureau and organisations of a 
similar nature will be absorbed in the now 
set up of the General Insurance Corporation 

•With these words, l beg *o move that the 
Report of the Joint Committee be taken into 
consideration. 

• i 

MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved : 

“That the Bill to provide for the acquisi- 
tion and transfer of shares of Indian 
insurance companies and undertakings of 
other existing insurers in order to serve 
better the needs of the economy by 
securing tlS development of general insu- 
rance business in the best interests of the 
community and to ensure that the opera- 
tion of tjje economic system does not 
result in the concentration of wealth to 
the common detriment, for the regulation 



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[Mr, Speaker] 

and control of sO$i business and for 

m°tters connected therewith or incidental 

thereto, as reported by the Joint Com- 
mittee, he taken into consideration. 9 * 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Now that he 
has moved the Bill for consideration, i have to 
make a submission. 

9 

MR. SPEAKER : He should have given 
some intimation to me. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Does it mean 
that from now onwards whoever wants to 
raise anything should write to' you immedia- 
tely and then raise it ? I have patiently 
heard the Finance Minister. Now my submis- 
sion is this. The Business Advisory Com- 
mittee met on the 26th and decided that four 
hours should be allotted for this Bill. it was 
never decided that it will come up for con- 
sideration today. suddenly we found day 
before yesterday that this Bill is coming up 
today. Because of this we could not move 
our amendments. Therefore, I suggest that 
we may have general consideration today and 
clause-by-clause consideration tomorrow or the 
day after so that wc will be able to move our 
amendments. Let us have only general dis- 
cussion today. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
have no objection. My only point is that 
then it will be very difficult for us to pass the 
Bill m the Rajya Sabha because this is the last 
week. And naturally you do not want this 
Bill to remain unpassed in this session. 
You can give notice of your amendments even 
now. 

SHRI INDR AJ IT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
Whatever time you choose to allow for general 
discussion, that may be taken* up today. The 
consideration of the elauses can be taken up 
tomorrow. In the mean time, we can be 
allowed to move our amendments. Otherwise, 
how can we table our amendments ? 

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- 
TARY AFSAIRS AND SHIVPING AND 
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAJ BAHADUR): 
The difficulty is that we have to get it passed 
by the. Rajya Sabha. The rule about notice 
for amendments can be waive/) so that they 
can be moved even now. * 


MR. SPEAKER: I am toW (bat a 
number of amendments are there. I wit] give 
another half an hour to the hop. Members 
to give their amendments. Then we will 
circulate them. In the meanwhile, we will 
have 2 $ hours for general discussion, 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : By 4 O’ 
Clock ? 

MR. SPEAKER : In half an hour, you 
give your amendments 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : We have to 
take part in this general discussion. 

MR SPEAKER : As for those who take 
part in the general discussion, they will be 
given another IS minutes extra to give 
amendments. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Let the Bill 
be passed without any amendments, 

MR. SPEAKER He has explained the 
difficulty. 

SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA : In the 
Business Advisory Committee, we allot time 
and all that. We decide what are the items 
to be taken up. But the actual order of 
priority is left entirely to the Government, to 
the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs. Now, 
suddenly, he puts on the Order Paper that it 
is coming on Monday. Where is the time 
to table amendments ? This is a very important 
Bill. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : I put it in the 
List of Business for the next week that I 
announced on Saturday. Yesterday being 
Sunday, amendments can come even now 

MR . SPEAKER : Yesterday being Sun- 
day, 1 relax the time-limit and say, you 
can send your amendments within half an 
hour. 

SHRI JNDRAJIT GUPTA : Say, 3 O’ 
Clock. 

MR. SPEAKER : No question of bar- 
gaining; any convenient time. All right. 
Upto 3 O’ Clock. There is no hard and fast 
thing about it. Yesterday being Sunday, I 
am relaxing it. I am giving the reason to be 
recorded so that it should not be treated as a 
precedent for future. 



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SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : 1 may also say, 
if tWo days restriction is to be strictly adhered 
to fbr moving the amendments, in that case, 
the Ministry should also do that two days 
in advance of the Bill coming before the 
House. 

MR. SPEAKER : He has explained the 
reason for that. That is why 1 have allowed 
it. If there had been any reason not accep* 
table, we could have easily postponed it. 

I wgnt to say one thing more, before 
we proceed with this I hope, you will not 
mind. As far as the other matter about 
Supplementary Demands is concerned, I have 
received a letter from Shri Shyamnand&n Mis- 
ti ra and also a letter from Mr. Morarji Desai 
saying that the Demand for grant for rulers, of 
about Rs. 20 crores or something like that, 
is just mentioned and that details are not 
given. I am forwarding that letter to you. I 
quite agree with the reasons given in these 
letters. I hope, by the time this is over, you 
will be ready with those details. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA 
(Begusarai) : We should not be given infor- 
mation just at the time we start consider- 
ing the Demands. We should be given infor- 
mation in advance. 

MR. SPEAKER : After all, we the House 
of the People are responsible for the main 
Budget. I quite agree with the reasons given. 

Now, Shri Somnath Chatterjee to speak 
on the General Insurance Bill. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE 
(Burdwan) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have 
been pleased to allow us to move the amend- 
ments, we have given some of the amend- 
ments and, because the time was very short, 
we could not give very comprehensive amend- 
ments. I hope, they will be circulated and 
taken into consideration. 

So far as the Bill is concerned, 1 support 
the provision for nationalisation no doubt. 
But some provisions which have been made in 
the Bill make us ponder as to who are the 
real objects of bounty. This Bill is a glaring 
example that what the ruling party professes 
or preaches is not being practised. The slogan 
of Garibi Hatao is said to be translated 
into action by surrendering crores of rupees 
in favour of the business houses and mono- 


polists as is provided in the Bill. We feel 
that the Government by making provision 
for payment of compensation or amount that 
has been provided here cannot achieve social- 
ism. It is nothing but pampering to the 
big monopolists and big busineess houses. 
Very large sums of money gre being doled 
out and are being given to rich business 
houses and the monopolists when the country 
is suffering from Jack of resources and when 
famine is staring us at the face in various 
parts of the country. 

13 45 hrs. 

[Mr Deputy-Speaker in the Chair] 

1 think, this is nothing but a surrender 
to the big business interests — certain pro- 
visions which have been made. We are 
totally opposed to the provisions which have 
been made in this Bill for payment of com- 
pensation. When General Insurance (Take- 
Over) Bill was discussed in the House, if the 
hon. Finance Minister will recall, I had 
suggested that if the management was taken 
over a limited period under article 31A(2) 
of the Constitution, no compensation would 
be payable. The answer that was given was 
that it would be a mala fide action, it would 
be a colourable exercise of power ; , as the 
intention was finally to nationalise general 
insurance business, we should not take it over 
for a limited period but we should pay com- 
pensation. Precisely, that has been done now. 
In the case of Indian Iron & Steel Com- 
pany, it has been taken over for a limited 
period for which no compensation need be 
paid to it. Hon. Minister, Shri S. Mohan 
Kumarmangalam has said in this House and 
outside that there is no question of return- 
ing the Indian Iron & Steel Company to the 
former management. Therefore, in the case of 
Indian Iron & Steel Company a particular type 
of formula^ has been adopted . Probably Mr. 
Biren Mukherjee was not in the good books 
of the Government— we do* not know. But 
this is the precise position For 20 months, 
till 2nd January when nationalisation will be- 
come effective, for 20 months a sum of Rs 6 60 
crores will have been paid to the insurance 
companies. For what ? For management. 
They did not manage during this time ; they 
had nothing to do with it ; the Cential Go- 
vernment took upon itself the management, 
and for not managing they will be getting Rs. 
33 lakhs per month for so many months— 
still a few more Wraths are left out. This 
amount will come to Rs. 6.60 crores. Now 



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what is being done in this Bill ? The amount 
which is Mng given by way of compensation 
for the take-over is R$ 38.23 crores, and if 
you add to it Rs. 6.60 croree, the total comes 
to about Rs. 45 crores. What is the basis of 
this computation ? The hon. Minister, in his 
introductory speech, referred to certain vague 
formula which we have not been able to 
follow. ( 

So far as the take-over is concerned, it is 
of the shares. The share-holders are going to 
get the money. On what basis ? Are they 
going to get the full value of their shares or 
are they being given the market value of their 
shares or the paid-up value of their shares ? 
We do not know what is the total share- 
holding of the different companies, whether 
they have been given the full amount, and if 
they are not being given full amount, how 
will the shortfall be met. No indication has 
been given. In some quarters it is said that 
there arc small shareholders, there are middle 
class people holding shares ; they have in- 
vested a part of their savings. We do not 
want that those people should suffer. They 
should get back whatever they have invested 
on small shareholdings in different insurance 
companies. But, so far as this Bill is con- 
cerned, there is no restriction. All the share- 
holders will get back whatever they have 
contributed or they are supposed to have 
contributed. Kindly see Clause 12(2) of the 
Bill. It says : 

“The Corporation shall distribute the 
amount paid to it under section 11, to 
the share-holders of each Indian insurance 
company and to each existing insurer, 
who is not an Indian insurance company, 
in accordance with their rights and 
interests...” 

But what are tho rights and interests of 
shareholders ? So far as a company is con- 
cerned, the contributory shareholder is entitled 
to get back his amount of contribution or 
a proportionate amount in the company’s 
assets if the assets are not sufficient after 
winding-up or dissolution^ But what is 
meant by ‘rights and interests of the share- 
holders' here 7 How much money will be paid 
back to them ? Suppose there is a shortfall, 
who will suffer ? j 

Then, kindly come to clause 13. It says : 


"13(1) Where the amount referred to in 

section 11 is to be given— . 

(a) to tht members of an Indian insu- 
rance company, the amount due to 
each such member shall be paid in 
full, where it does not exceed twenty- 
five thousand rupees, each such 
member shall be paid twenty-five 
thousand rupees and the balance of 
the amount due to such member 
shall be paid to him in three equal 
annual instalments...” 

We wanted to know according to the Govern- 
ment’s information how many small share- 
holders are there or how many share-holders 
are there in this company whose shareholdings 
are less then Rs. 25,000 and how many shares 
have been held by the previous management 
namely, the big businessmen and the mono- 
poly houses who have got back their entire 
money. These companies have been declaring 
dividends— probably most of these companies 
and most of these share-holders, these big 
business houses, got back their capital by 
way of dividend and other amenities they 
have enjoyed. After enjoying all these years 
all these monies, they are now being paid the 
entire amount they have invested. I would 
like the hon. Minister to explain as to what 
he means by ‘in accordance with their rights 
and interests as provided in clause 12(2) of 
this Bill’. 

We would also like to know the basis of 
computation. In some cases we find— it has 
also been mentioned in the minutes— that it 
has been assessed on the basis of the last 
three years’ profits or dividends. We do not 
know how. The hon. Minister may kindly ex- 
plain it. It is clouded in mystery and that is 
why we are asking for this. We want to 
know how far these big business houses or 
monopolists are trying to take benefit of the 
amount which is being paid to them. 

Now, according to Art. 31C of the 
Constitution and Article 51 that has been 
amended by the 25tb Amendment Act, these 
matters are nojlonger justiciable. Therefore, 
there is no question of Art 14 being infringed 
or Art 31 being infringed. The Government 
have now the power. The Parliament hat the 
power to bring legislation providing such 
amount for which even the nature of compu- 
tation need not be given. When these powers 



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lore given to this Parliament to amend the 
(£onstitution of India, It was bailed in all 
Quarters that by taking recourse to these 
provisions* the previously crippling provisions 
in the Constitution of India which somehow 
made the Parliament ineffective and less 
effective, they were one away with and it was 
now bailed and it was expected tfaat those 
provisions in the Constitution should be taken 
recourse to and unnecessary and unreasonable 
amounts should not be paid as compensation. 
What is being taken from some of these big 
businessmen is being given back to them 
in the form of compensation. Therefore, they 
are not unhappy. They are getting licences 
for new businesses. In this Bill, clause 2 of 
the Bill says : 

“It is hereby declared that this Act is for 
giving aiTcct to the policy of the State towards 
securing the principles specified in clause (c) 
of Article 39 of the Constitution.” 

Now the Constitution (Twentyfifth) 
Amendment— you remember... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I thime every- 
body remembers. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It is 
better we remind ourselves from time to time 
because we have got this power. But we have 
not utilised it. Although this power has been 
taken by us, it has not been taken recourse 
to in framing this legislation. It comes under 
Article 31C. It cannot be challenged under 
Art 19 or 14 or 31 of the Constitution. 
Therefore, why should these 38 crores of 
rupees be given to these Indian companies ? 
I shall come to the foreign companies later. 
We find at the Joint Committee’s stage when 
the deliberations were going on and probably 
at the last stage sudden ly the schedule was 
amended and we find the three biggest 
beneficiaries are the Ruby General Insurance 
Co. whose amount of compensation has been 
increased by Rs. 58 lakhs, National Insurance 
Co. of the JK organisation whose amount has 
been increased by Rs. 25 lakhs, Indian Trade— 
I believe this is a Thaper concern, whose 
amoupt has been increased by Rs. 27 lakhs. 
1 would like to know on what basis the 
previous computations were made and how 
suddenly, it was found at the last stage when 
the Joint Committee was deliberating, that 
these sums were inadequate and how suddenly 


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these now figures have been calculated and 
arrived at. 

What was the mistake committed in the 
earliar computation ? Why these increases 
are made suddenly and significantly only in 
case of some of the big business houses con- 
trolling these three insurance companies ? 
There have been other increases, but not 
increases, comparable to the increases allowed 
to these three big companies. 1 would 
like to now how this calculation was made ? 
What was the previous mistake ? 

It is known that the foreign insurance 
companies have not been building up reserves 
here. They had only such assets as would be 
recessary for the purpose of meeting the 
risk that might come up. For all practical 
purposes they have taken out their entire 
profits out of the country and invested in 
different foreign counties. Why these insu- 
rance companies are given such huge amount 
under this Bill is something which I am 
unable to comprehend. What is the basis of 
computation in respect of these foreign com- 
panies ? This is what 1 would like to know. 
Their shares are not being taken up. We 
request the Minister kindly to disclose when 
he replies as to why these foreign companies 
have been given such huge amounts under 
this Bill. 

The other provision to which we have 
objection relates to creation of more than one 
corporation under Clause 9... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Company. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : One 
Coiporation; 4 companies, I 'stand corrected ; 
thank you, 

Gause 9 provides that there will be a 
General Insurance ^Corporation of India. 
Under Clause 18, they have power to carry 
or any part of the general insurance business 
if it thinks desirable to do so. The scheme as it 
has been indicated, and as said by the Finance 
Minister in his speech, is that it is intended 
to have one insurance corporation and four 
different companies. The plea put forward is 
the plea that they will act in healthy com- 
petition. But we do not understand it. The 
entire control will be vested with the Central 
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[Shri Spmnath Chatterjee]* 

be undei the overall supervision bf the Govt, 
of India because the Government of India 
can give directions and they will be obliged 
to carry on those directions* The Act entitled 
them to give such directions. Therefore, 
where is the point of 'healthy competition’ 
being exercised arfibng different Government 
bodies themselves 7 It is a question of 
approach. It is a question of seeing how far 
the huge resources of general insurance can 
be made available in the public interest, What 
will be the basis of competition ? Will there 
be any under-cutting of premium rates, etc ? 
What is the sort of competition that is thought 
of in general insurance business among differ* 
ent companies that are intended to be set 
up ? This remains completely vague. If they 
had made a pravision saying defferent types of 
insurance will be taken up by different 
companies I would have understood that 

When this subject was discussed last 
year, Mr. Chavan in his reply, said 1 quote 
him. 

“General insurance will break new groun- 
ds. see some new horizons and try to 
serve more social abojectives. General 
insurance business would not only confine 
itself to commerce and industry but they 
would expand their acti\ities to other 
social purposes." 

We are yet to see what expansion has been 
made here ; we are yet to see what social 
objectives we have been able to achieve 
after the general insurance business was taken 
over in last June. 

We are asking for diversification of gene- 
ral insurance. We are asking for unemploy- 
ment insurance. We are asking for crop 
insurance. We are asking for other social 
security insurance for ordinary people. No- 
thing is being done. By the creafjon of four 
companies and another insurance corpora- 
tion, you are not going to* make for healthy 
competition. There are apprehensions that 
this is really made to make divisions in the 
ranks of labour, to make them feel as if they 
are employees of different capitalist-controlled 
organisations. Otherwise, there is no ratio- 
nal busis for the formation of thele compa- 
nies. 

14.00 hrs. j 

Now, I come to clause 22 undfr which 
power is sought to be taken by the Central 


Government to transfer any officer or emplo* 
yee from one company to another. This is 
a rather surprising provision which Is being 
made. There is a great deal of apprehension 
amongst the emyloyees and the staff that this 
will be used for the purpose of victimisation 
and not for any bona fide purposes. The 
Central Government will not be the employer 
of the employees and the staff. They will be 
either the employees of the Central Insurance 
Corporation of India or of these companies 
which are described as acquiring companies. 
Why should the Central Government take 
power in their hands to transfer any officer or 
employee from one company to another ? 
This is an instance, 1 submit, which shows an 
attitude of keeping the employees and staff 
under the control of the Government and not 
of the employers under whom they will be 
serving There is no rational basis for this, 
and, therefore, we are objecting to this 
clause. 

We have tabled amendments to some of 
clauses, and one of the mam amendments 
that we are suggesting is... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let him 
not refer to the amendments at this stage. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : We 
shall be suggesting that there should be radi- 
cal change in the provisions made in clause 
11 .. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He can 
speak on it when that amendement comes 
up. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE :...of 
the Bill which deals with the payment of 
compensation. 

I have almost finished, but there is one 
matter on which I would like to say a word... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The time 
allotted to him is also finished. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I 
must thank the hon. Minister for repeating 
the assurance which he has been giving in 
the past also, of absorbing the employees of 
the Calcutta Claims Bureu and other allied 
organisations. 

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Business 

t$e scheme which may be framed for rationa- 
lisation or revision of pay scales, under clause 
16, We submit that in the name of rationali- 
sation, there should' not be any scheme drawn 
up which will either mean that any employees 
or staff will become surplus or their service 
conditions will be changed to thier disadvan- 
tage. 

With these words, I am supporting the 
principle of nationalisation which has been 
adopted in this Bill, but we are strongly oppo- 
sing the quantum of compensation that has 
been fixed in this Bill, 

SHRIN.K.P. SALVE (Bctul) ; As to 
the laudability of the objectives of this legis- 
lation, there could hardly be much debate 
or dispute. In fact, my regret is that this 
measure has come a little too late in the day. 
There hardly was any warrant for us to have 
waited for nearly sixteen years to 
nalionalise general issurance after we 
had nationalised life insurance. It has 
been a very unfortunate phenomenon 
that the general insurance in the hands of the 
private sector was subjected to various types 
of malpractices, frauds and manipulations, 
which were by themselves very strong grounds 
why Government should have intervened and 
taken over this business. But I have heard 
a very vocal and vociferous criticism ‘Why are 
Government getting into this very very small 
field of general insurance, when they such have 
a large and wide field ?’ 

SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHARYYA 
(Ghatal) : There is no quorum in the 
House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER You con- 
tinue until I ask you to stop. 

SHRI N.K.P. SALVE : I was referring 
to some criticisms being levelled against this 
legislation, about the necessity and justifica- 
tion of this... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no 
quorum. Let the bell be rung— Now there 
is quorum. He may continue. 

SHRI N.K.P. SALVE : I was submitt- 
ing that the various undersirable practices in 
which general business was enveloped and 
embroiled were themselves a sufficient cause 


for Government to take over the entire 
business. But there are very many other 
reasons why it bas been taken over, 

I have heard the criticism levelled against 
Government as to why Government have 
nationalised general insurance which, is small 
field in which the private insurance compa- 
nies could have catered to the requirements 
of the policyholders [more efficiently and 
much better than what Government could 
do. Another criticism levelled was that 
already the LIC in the Oriental General 
Insurance unit which is government-owned 
was in general insurance ; why should 
Government thereafter expand its field of acti- 
vities and create a monopoly ? The answer 
is very simple : general insurance constitutes 
the very hard core, the infrastructure of our 
economy, and if we want to strengthen, im- 
prove and stabilise our economy, it is im- 
possible that we leave general insurance out- 
side government control. In fact, we realised 
this long ago ; we are implementing it today. 
It only means that we are vigorously follow- 
ing our avowed policy, namely, that we want 
growth and development of our economy 
together with principles of social justice which 
are inherent in divesting vested interests who 
had exploited general insurance to aggrandize 
their personal interests. 

The most controversial provision in this 
legislation appears to be that on compen- 
sation... The Finance Minister has, unfortu- 
nately, gone away ; I do hope the junior 
Minister, an extremely able person in this 
matter will kindly take note of what 1 have 
to say. Wjih the deepest regrest 1 must 
submit that I must join the critics who have 
criticised the clause on compensation. The 
Finance Minister has said that some people 
have said that it is either generous or meagre, 
according to the political philosophy they 
propagate. It may or may not be correct. 
But it is an oversimplification of the matter. 
If they are doing it as a matter of political 
philosophy, may I ask what philosophy has 
the Finance Minister followed ? It is easy to 
say that they say it is generous or it is mea- 
gre, but kindly explain to us the rationale 
which I am unable to understand. The Minis- 
ter was absolutely right when he said that 
reserves could not be paid to shareholders. 
One thing has to .be understood. General 
insurance is neat e capital-intensive industry ; 
it is an industry in which one is paid for 



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rendition of certain services and covering 
risks. It is the policyhokjBps who have been 
squeezed right, left and centre, in season and 
out of season — mostly out Of season. I am 
sure you, Sir, are a policyholder and you 
must be aware of how these general insurance 
people have been dealing with people. They 
have been undercutting one another and deal- 
ing under the table in various modes and 
manners. 

At any rate, the demand for payment of 
reserves was an utter absurdity and therefore, 
if the rationals is negatively explained by the 
Finance Minister, as to why we did not want 
to pay either with reference to the net assets 
or with reference to reserves, one can under- 
stand, because non-payment of reserves is one 
thing. Let him explain. I am one of those 
who is a little conversant with the principles 
of law of eminent domain connected with the 
compensation to be paid by the Government 
on acquisation of properties One can under- 
stand if a successoi is going to pay for the 
reserve, his financial position is certainly going 
to be weaker than that of the predecessor. 
The successor can never pay for the reserve 
without crippling his own financial position. 

Surely, we do not want the Government 
corporation to be weaker than those insurance 
companies which were so far doing the busi- 
ness. So far so good. But may I know what 
is the rationale, what is (he justification, for 
paying compensation related to dividends ? 
This is the most irrational, speculative, un- 
justified method of paying compensation May 
I know what is the reason for increasing' it 
from 33 to 38 crores. It can be increased to 
any figure ? The most rational of dissent that 
I am seeing is the dissent of Mr. S.M, Baner- 
jee and others who are firstly 'objecting to the 
payment of compensation at all. In a thing 
like this, I am not trying to superimpose my 
political philosophy. Looking into the matter 
objectively, as a technocrat would like to go 
into it, first ascertain how much the share 
holders have already been given all these 
years ? It is really the poijpy- holders who 
have been squeezed all these days. If there 
is any relief to be given, give relief to the 
actual policyholders. Why are you giving it 
to the shareholders 7 The shareholders are 
monied people. What is thc (i use of taking 
shelter under the fact that they are middle 


income-group people or that they aid poor 
people 7 Nothing can be more fallacious or 
misleading than this to say that poor people 
are holding shares in the general xnsuranee 
companies. I do not think you hold a share 
in a general insurance company : I do not 
hold a share in the general insurance com- 
panies ( Interruption ) You have yet to 
know. Therefore, I submit that this compen- 
sation is very irrational. The Finance Minister 
does not want to superimpose his own political 
philosophy and he does not want to call it 
generous or he does not want to call it meagre, 
either. But if he then wants to call it rational, 
let him explain it to us. Why are you raising 
it from 33 to 38 crores ? There is a doubt 
cast on us that we have done it under pressure. 
I want to make it clear that this is not the 
government which is going to work under any 
pressure. Irrational it may be there, but 
this Government is never going to work under 
any pressure. Do not remain under this 
illusion that there will be any pressure 
as such. 

Therefore, I do expect that the Finance 
Minister would have a good look at this com- 
pensation business ; even now it is not too 
late to amend it. What is wrong with the 
suggestion made, namely, just pay the share- 
holders what they invested ; the nominal value 
of the share provided there is no outstanding 
debit balance in the balance-sheet in the 
profit and loss account, unless capital is 
already wiped out or frittered away by some 
other people. I know in some general insurance 
companies the profit and loss account shows a 
huge debit balance ; that means the capital 
has been wiped out. As has been rightly 
pointed out by one of the hon. Members, as a 
result of this irrational compensation, one 
company gets seven per cent of the net assets 
and another company gets 88 per cent. Why 
this unconscious patronage to one and why 
this unconscious disfavour to another 7 I have 
no doubt in my mind that this is not done 
with a view to extending favours to anybody 
nor is it done with an intent of victimising 
anybody. But I think, purely, some bureaucrat 
got it into his head and bereft of any sense, 
bereft of any idea, bereft of the knowledge of 
principles of eminent domain, he might have 
prepared it and it has been accepted. 

Therefore, I submit to the Finance Minister 
for his consideration— he is not here and his 
junior is here —that he should explain to us 
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ist tty to lake us for granted, or do not take 
^s for a ride in this. You must determine as 
10 what is the rational basis. 1 personally 
fipel that Rs. 38 crores is plenty of money to 
be paid for the nationalisation of general 
insurance companies. 

So far as foreign insurance companies are 
concerned, where is the warrant for this type 
of payment ? Have the Government under- 
stood what is the manipulation of foreign 
insurance companies ? Have they known that 
year after year, an amount was credited in 
the profit and loss account and the balance- 
sheet of the foreign companies crediting foreign 
head office for apportionable expenses 
which incurred in the head office which 
never in reality were incurred for Indian 
office and all thoso are accepted as liability 
and are to be duly paid ? All this has not 
been looked into. The foreign companies 
have been definitely shown much greater 
preference than the Indian companies. 1 do 
not for a moment want to impute that delibe- 
rately foreign companies were chosen for such 
favours, but inadvertently these favours have 
gone to the foreign companies. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Is that under 
pressure ? 

SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Therefore I hope 
that this provision of compensation is duly 
looked into. 

Finally there is only one point I want to 
make. We are anxious that all the public 
sector enterprises must make a tremendous 
success in this country, for unless that is done 
the future is extremely bleak for our economy. 
If the future is bleak for our economy, it will 
be a tragic day for our parliamentary demo- 
cracy. Day after day we are watching with 
very great disconcert the performance of our 
public sector undertaking. In that respect I 
want to point out that the Life Insurance 
Corporation has been a miserable flop. 

I myself wanted to raise a loan against 
my land. For month after month nothing 
would move. One day news reached me that ; 
if you qre willing to pay a few thousand 
rupees, expeditiously the matter will be put 
through. It was an amazing experience for 
me : someone coming and telling me the local 
man has taken a vow as it were, unless his 
palms are greased nothing will move further. 


I said : Never mind if I do not get a loan, I 
have never had a house of my own and I will 
not have one hereafter : but I would not do 
anything of the sort. 

* 

Thereafter, I spoke of the matter to the 
Prime Minister, the then Finance Minister, 
who spoke to the Secretary Concerned. There- 
after it took three month for' me to get sanc- 
tion and another three months before a letter 
came that the Jcfen is now available. I said : 
you keep the loan with you ; I do not want 
house ; I do not want loan. 

In general insurance you will be dealing 
with a large many people who may not be 
able to go to the Prime Minister or to the 
charming Deputy-Minister of Finance and 
it will be- so difficult for these people. Suppos- 
ing an accident takes place. God forbid, 
somewhere ; and a claim is asked for ; and is 
paid not to the daimant, not to his son or 
grandson but to the great grandson, I do 
not know what will be the plight. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If Members 
want to talk they can go to the Lobby and 
talk. Why disturb the House ? I was being 
disconcerted by the talk on my left hand side. 

SHRI N K. P. SALVE : Inefficiency and 
corruption in this particular Corporation are 
two things to which I am sure particular 
attention will have to be paid. Any complaint 
coming from any one, I am sure, will be pro- 
perly attended to. I really do hope that the 
provision regarding compensation would be 
properly rationalised and I wish god speed and 
plenty of luck to the corporation and to the 
Finance Minister. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore) : 
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, this is the first instance, 
since we amended article 25 of a statute pro- 
viding the terms and conditions of an act u al 
act of nationalisation, Pam sure not only t he 
people outside Parliament but also Members 
of the ruling party, one of whom has just 
spoken-I am not surprised at what he said 
because he is familiar with the insurance 
business-will regard it as a big anti-climax to 
the hopes that fcave been aroused, assurances 
that had been given and the enthusiasm j which 
had been generated, rightly, in this coun ry for 
those constitutional amendments wh.&hwere 
all very strongly supported by all of us but 
have brought fbrth the proverbial mouse. 



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[Shri Indrajit Gupta] , 

What was the point ' : of substituting the 
word compensation by tfte word •amount* ? 
Was it simply this that in all cases we are not 
obliged to pay the market value as compensa- 
tion ? Was that the only significance and the 
only meaning of that amendment ? The ques- 
tion whether to pay market value or not pay 
market value arose because of certain confron- 
tation which we had with the Supreme Court 
but if you go through the recofds of the debate 
in this House at the time when (he amending 
Bill was brought before the House and read 
what the hon. Ministers, not one but several 
of them including some legal luminaries, spoke, 
the spirit of the thing was that if this country 
is to go ahead, if we are to take radical 
measures which are really to bring the maxi- 
mum benefit for the largest section of people in 
our country, then increasingly resources will 
have to be generated and will have to be 
mobilised. It is impossible in our country and 
in the state of our economy to mobilise such 
resources unless we resort to nationalisation at 
a cost which will be bearable by this country, 
not at a cost which is both intolerable and 
unbearable. 

Now, if we find that in this general in- 
surance take-over, a sum of Rs. 38.23 crores 
is being prescribed as compensation, it only 
means, as far as I can see it, that the whole 
spirit behind the 25th Amendment and amend- 
ment of article 31, which were accepted in a 
particular way by the people of this country 
and which roused such great hopes in their 
minds, that spirit has been given or is being 
tried to be given, a quiet burial here today by 
the Govenmcnt. That spirit is being destroyed 
already on the very first occasion when it is 
being put to test. 

In 1956, when companies dealing with life 
insurance were nationalised, and the Life 
Insurance Corporation was set up, a com- 
pensation of Rs. 5 crores was paid to 256 
companies. Today after so many years, after 
so much talk of socialism and radical measures 
and radical reforms, after the huge mandate 
given to the Prime Minister on the basis of her 
assurances, not only assurances but on the 
basis of the concrete steps of Ahich I consider 
these constitutional amendments to be really 
historic, after all this, what do we find ? 107 
companies* Indian and foreign, dealing in 
general insurance business, a^e to be paid 
Rs. 3$<23 crores as compared to Rs. 5 crores 


paid to 256 companies in 1956, Already 
these companies, as my friend Mr* Cftatterjee 
pointed out, since the 1 3th May* 1971 when the 
management was taken over* have been paid 
at the rate of Rs. 33 lakhs per month* simply 
for acquisition of management, which was not 
a constitutional obligation whatsoever on this 
government. There is nothing laid down in 
the Constitution that even a pie of compensa- 
tion has to be paid for a take-over of manage- 
ment. Nevertheless, this Government provided 
for Rs. 33 lakhs per month to these companies 
simply for taking over the management. That 
has gone on for the last 15 months and may 
go on, as far as I can judge, till the end of 
this year, because we do not know what the 
appointed day is going to be. If we calculate 
the whole amount plus the amount suggested 
to be given to them in this Bill, it comes to 
something like Rs, 45 crores. 

These general insurance companies have a 
paid-up capital, including ,the bonus shares 
floated by them from time to time, of 
Rs. 12 to 13 crores. I hope the Deputy 
Minister will confirm these figures. Their 
total assets are now Rs. 240 crores 
including of course, the statutory reserves 
which they are compelled to keep out of the 
premium The annual premium is something 
like Rs. 125 crores. All this on a paid-up 
capital of Rs. 12 to 13 crores. Now this 
enormous amount of money is again being 
proposed to be doled out to these people and 
the burden will have to be borne as usual by 
the common people of this country. 

What was the object of bringing forward 
those amendments ? Was it simply to bluff 
the people, an act of hyprocisy ? Therefore, 
I would like to ask the same question 
which the speakers who proceed me, 
including Shri Salve, asked, even at this 
penultimate stage of passing this Bill is the 
Government going to take this House into 
confidence or not as to what is the wbcle 
basis, the raison (Tetre of the calculation of 
this figure. An extraordinary thing has taken 
place. I have talked to several members of 
the Select Committee, to whom this Bill was 
referred, because I wanted to know how these 
figures were calculated I found that the mem- 
bers of the Select Committee, you will excuse 
me for saying so, they were as much in the 
dark as I am. Then I asked the Chairman of 
the Select Committee the basis on which these 
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4*ores were arrived at which was increased, 
i TCgret to say that he could not give any 
Basis and he directed me to the bon. Minister, 
Tam not able to follow this kind of function- 
ing of the government, 

Shri Salve, having made some very obvious 
criticisms on this point, which even he could 
not resist, of course then suddenly it occurred 
to him that he is a member of the ruling party 
he fired off a big demagogic reminder here to 
us on this side of the House that this govern- 
never acts under pressure. He says that the 
government has not acted under pressure and 
yet he is not prepared to explain what is the 
basis of these figures. Then where do we go to 
from here ? Everybody knows that pressure 
was brought to bear on government. Every- 
body knows that Shri J. R. D. Tata and other 
people have approached the government. Of 
course, the Chairman of the Select Com- 
mittee came before us in a formal way 
asking for further time, extension of time 
for another three week?, for submitting the 
report. During three weeks it was suddenly 
heard in all quartets that the compensation 
figure for the Indian companies is going to be 
increased because they have complained of 
discrimination between them and the foreign 
companies. The ground of discrimination, 
according to them, was that in the case of 
foreign companies the compensation was 
calculated on the basis of their profits, which 
1 suppose they have repatriated, whereas in 
the case of Indian companies the compensation 
was calculated on the basis of their declared 
dividends. Therefore, the Indian companies 
said “if we had known previously that you 
were going to calculate our compensation on 
the basis of the declared dividend, we would 
have declared much higher diviends during the 
last few years”. So, we have been cheated, 
we have been hoodwinked by the government 
taking the basis of dividend for calculation of 
compensation. If that is the argument that 
impelled the government to take this step, 
for fear of this being struck down on 
the ground of discrimination by the 
courts, then will the Minister kindly explain 
to this House how by increasing the Indian 
companies 9 share by Rs. 5 crores and odd this 
point of discrimination has been removed ? 
They must satisfy us on this point even on 
the basis of their own argument. 

We consider this to be the most uncon- 
scionable measure. There was no justification 


whatsoever for coming forward to propose 
giving Rs. 45 crores as compensation to 
these companies. Everybody knows 
even Shri Salve has admitted it that big 
business houses hold big blocks of shares in 
these insurance companies. This is a particular 
industry in which the common pattern of 
shareholding does not prevail. The common 
pattern of shareholding in public limited 
companies is a very large number of small 
shareholders holding a small amount of 
shares. The general insurance companies is 
a peculiar business in which the pattern of 
shareholding is characterised by the fact that 
the great bulk of shares are held in big 
blocks by big business houses. The number 
of smaller share-holders— I do not say, 
there are none; there are some is relatively 
much fewer in this particular industry. 
Therefore, the beneficiaries from this huge 
amount of compensation are going to be 
merely these big business houses 

Sir, as I said earlier, there has been do 
time unfortunately by the way the Minister 
of Parliamentary Affairs has arranged the 
business ; there has been no time for us to 
draft detailed amendments. Otherwise, this 
whole scheme of compensation given in the 
Schedule, in our opinion, should be deleted 
and should be scrapped. If you want to give 
compensation, a token amount should be 
given or can be given with the sole object of 
Safeguarding the bona fice interest of smaller 
share-holders. That could have been discussed, 
A ceiling could have been fixed that share- 
holders whose share-holding is upto a certan 
value, are to be compensated upto a certain 
percentage and, as the value of the share- 
holding goes up, the rate of compensation 
should come down steeply and, above a 
certain levele. there should be no compensation 
whatsoever. Fat dividends have been earned 
by big share-holders over the years which are 
far in excess of the paid-up capital or whatever 
they have invested in* these Companies in 
buying shares. 

I would like to know from the Government 
which is heading towards socialism and, day 
in and day out, are talking of socialism, to 
please explain* to us that is their scheme of 
nationalisation for the future. Take this 
opportunity. 

This is your first test that you are having 
to pass here in the eyes of the people. Kindly 
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[Shri Indrajit Gupta] 

will be coming, one by one, where the manage- 
ments have been taken ovejr, The nationalisa- 
tion Bills will come in future. Please tell us 
what is the theory and philosophy of nationa- 
lisation. How do you propose to do it as far 
as the compensation structure goes ? If you 
are going to go on burdening the people of 
this country and the economy of this country 
with these huge amounts, them please explain 
to us why the Constitution was amended. 
Was it simply to catch votes? Were you 
serious about it ? Do you think the economy 
of this country can bear such enormous 
compensation? 

So, we are totally opposed to the scheme 
suggested here and I have to say that the 
Government is, once again back to where it 
started from. On this issue, they will have 
to prove to the people all over again, whether 
they are in the remotest way serious or not 
about carrying out any radical reforms in this 
country which they cannot do without resour- 
ces, which resources were supposed to be 
mobilised through the very technique of 
nationalisation and now, in fact, we find that 
probably we are going to pay out more than 
we are going to acquire. 

I am also to say, with regard to the 
multiple set-up which is visualised, one Corpo- 
ration and four Companies, in the name of 
efficiency, in the name of competition, I am 
warning the Government that this will ultima- 
tely help only those people who are out to 
malign the public sector and discredit the public 
sector. In the case of general insurance, the 
beneficiaries from this structure that you are 
proposing will be the big business housec, 
who are the main people who go in for general 
insurance, who insure their business, who 
insure goods, everything. They are the main 
insurers. They are the people i$ho will benefit. 
You have surrendered to the constant pro- 
paganda drive of the private sector. It is 
always saying that the public sector is in 
losses, the public sector is inefficient, because 
it believes in a monolithic set-up. These huge 
monolithic public sector corporations, accor- 
ding to them, are the main ^ause of the 
public sector being a failure, in the sense that 
they make losses or are not very efficient. 

Therefore, succumbing to that pressure, the 
Government has this time taken a new step ; 
they are nationalising an industry but instead 


of keeping it within one centralised corpo* 
ration, in the name of the private sectors 
slogans of competition, the holy right of 
competition and efficiency, they have suggested 
one corporation and four companies. The 
other speakers have raised their doubts. I do 
not want to dilate on this point. Are you 
going to have different rates of premium, I 
want to know ? What is this element of com- 
petition ? So far as I know, the rates of 
premium are going to be uniform ; there are 
not going to be different rates of premium. 
Then what is the competition going to take 
place in and how ? That means, you are 
instigating people, you are instigating those in 
charge of these new companies, the field 
agents who will be working under the com- 
panies, to resort to all sorts of illegal 
practices. There is no other way. One is to 
allow fictitious claims ; if fictitious claims 
are allowed freely, more people will come 
and insure with that company. If you allow 
different typs of rebates, illegal rebates, then 
you can attract more people. Is that why 
you are having these four separate companies ? 
This will lead to much more violation by 
this public sector concern itself of the 
restrictive provisions of the Insurance Act 
and the code of conduct. Even now, allega- 
tions have been made that Jupiter and New 
India have been indulging in all these illegal 
rebates. This is the most extraordinary thing 
that we have ever heard from the votaries of 
the public sector that, in the name of com- 
petition and in the name of efficiency, four 
or five different companies are to operate in 
the same field, overlapping with each other ; 
they cannot under-sell or under-cut each other 
because the premium rates are to be uni- 
form, but they have to show results so that 
they can please Mr. Chavan. The executives 
of these separate companies, whoever will 
show higher profit, will get kudo 3 . But how 
cao he show higher profit ? He cannot quote 
lower premium rates. The only way he can 
do is by illegal practices, illegal rebates, 
allowing fictitious claims to be entertained, 
violating the restrictive laws and so on, 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He may 
please conclude. 

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Please allow 
me one or two minutes more, Sir. 

There are going to be five sets of execu- 
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th# four companies. Instead of one set of exe- 
cutives, there will be five sets of executives, 
A huge expenditure will have to be incurred 
on advertisement, advertising against each 
other competition against each other ; there 
will be overlapping of operations. Therefore, 
we feel that the whole system that they are 
suggesting is going to bring this to grief and 
the only people who will profit out of it are 
going to be those who are enemies of the 
public sector. What was required was sound 
management, decentralisation of powers to 
regional offices and so on, and associating 
the employees with the management ; this 
would have made the working of this one 
corporation sound. Instead of that, they are 
trying to split it into so many. 

I am very glad that the Minister has 
once again reiterated on the floor his firm 
assurance that the employees of the Calcutta 
Claims Bureau will be absorbed, though I 
am still not able to understand why a suit- 
able provision could not be incorporated in 
the Bill itself, is not only Calcutta Claims 
Bureau, there also are similar organisations like 
the Fire Salvage Association in Bombay and 
some others. I hope, this assurance given 
will extend to the employees of those orga- 
nisations also which arc managed and whose 
expenses are borne by the insurance com- 
panies themselves for their own benefit. 

Finally, I come to standardisation of 
wages, salaries, service conditions, gratuity, 
pension, etc. Here in this Bill, as it is, what 
is said is that, from time to time, if the Go- 
vernment with its controlling powers so desire, 
they can bring about certain changes. But 
what I would like to ask is this. When he 
replies, he may please tell us. You probably 
cannot have separate rates of premia for 
different companies But are you going to 
allow different rates of salaries, wages and 
service conditions for the employees in one 
corporation and in the four companies. 
Having done that, you must then either put 
in the Bill or tell us here in the House how 
you propose to bring about uniform standar- 
disation so as to achieve a contented efficient 
labour force. Naturally, that standardisation 
will have to be done at the highest existing 
level. It is dot as if the standardisation wiif 
be done at the lower level than those are 
prevailing at the present time. But, if com- 
petition is to be the criterion of the success 
of these companies, then, I am afraid that 


even in the matter of emoluments, service 
conditions, wages, salaries, etc, the manage- 
ments of these different companies in the 
public sector will try, if I may say so, to 
undercut each other and instead of having a 
contented labour force, you will have the very 
opposite. 

*1 

Therefore, I would say that we are totally 
opposed to the manner in which this is being 
done. We were tne firmest supporters, we are 
still the firmest supporters, of the whole idea 
of nationalisation and take-over of these 
general insurance companies. But the way it 
is being done shows that they have surren- 
dered completely to the philosophy of the 
private sector as if they are on the defensive, 
'Yes, yes, wc are not efficient as we should be. 
So, we shall allow the public sector concerns 
to compete with each other amongst our- 
selves’. 

Lastly, as I was saying, what is going to 
happen is that the enemies of the public 
sector are the only people who are going to 
benefit by this and you are going to encourage 
illegal practices, you are going to encourage 
illegal rebates, you are going to encourage 
fictitious claims being admitted. Otherwise, 
there is no element of competition possible 
since the premium rates are uniform. 

SHRI C. M. STEPHEN (Muvattupuzha) : 

I am very strong supporter of nationalisation 
of sectors like insurance and banking, and 
I must confess to a feeling of disappointment 
on the total picture that has emerged from 
out of the Bill which has been psssed by the 
Select Committee. 

' I may frankly submit that I am more or 
less in agreement with certain notes of dissent 
that have been appended to the Bill. There are 
three important sectors as far as the scheme 
is concerned. One is tj le compensation (2) 
Structure and (3) Industrial relations picture. 

With regard to compensation, the ques- 
tion is one of very fundamental importance. 
As was pointed out by my hon friends on the 
opposite, after Jjie amendment of the Consti- 
tution with regard to the compensation ques- 
tion, this, I think, is the first attempt we are 
going to reduce into actual from our concept 
in regard to compensation whenever we 
nationalise any concern. There are two 
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[Shri C. M. Stephen] 

peel to this. One is #fmt exactly is the 
criterion for fixing the compensation. No. 2— 
When nationalising concerns like this gene- 
ral insurance, what exactly is the quantum of 
compensation that we* are considering as 
adequate. The Pdtfliamenf is exercising a very 
important function when we spell out what 
exactly is the amount of compensation to be 
given. This function, the cdirts were former- 
ly permitted to discharge. We have now taken 
over that function. When we take over that 
function, we have got to do it with a certain 
measure of rationality and not arbitrarily. This 
House, when it spells out a particular amount 
as compensation, must know and must be 
told as to what exactly is the criterion for 
fixing it.' As could be evident from the report 
of the Select Committee, no effort was made 
at any stage, it seems, to give an explanation 
as to how particular amounts were arrived at . 
To me, this seems a gross act of omission on 
the part of this Parliament. The Parliament, 
to pass a Bill, spelling out a particular 
amount as the amount of compen- 
sation, without knowing as to how that 
amount was arrived at, will certainly be 
failing in the matter of discharging a very 
basic responsibility that the Parliament has 
taken over. 


The Government should have told us as to 
how they arrived at these figures. They have 
not cared to tell us the particulars about 
that. I want to place on record my feelings of 
reservations and objection and even, a feeling 
of agony, in having to say that this must 
be tbe law of the land, without knowing what 
I am to vote. 


Number two, Sir, the amount of compen- 
sation has to be spelt out. Nationalisation is 
going to be the basis of the structure of our 
society, so far as the future is concerned. It 
has got to expand further and further. That 
has to be done, consistent with the capacity 
of this country. Nationalisation on the basis 
of market value was not what was objected to. 
What exactly is the amount th*t we are prac- 
tically giving 7 What exactly are the assets 
that we have in view ? Is it the paid-up value 
that we have in view, or is it the fixed asets 
that we have got in view ? Or, is it the 
investment which they have made in certain 
shares that we have got in view ? Or, is it the 


profitability of the ooncern that we have In 
view 7 What exactly are the spaciflc matters 
which we have got in view ? 


SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : All 
the factors. 


SHRI C. M. STEPHEN : Possibly all 
matters,— -all right. But why this has not been 
spelt out ? Anyway, I will leave it at that. 


Coming to the question 'amount’ they say, 
they must be compensated this way or that 
way. The lion. Finance Minister told us ear- 
lier that there was a criticism that there was 
discrimination as between the Indian com- 
pany and the foreign company. To avoid 
that criticism the Indian eompany was given 
a little more and the discrimination element 
has been taken away. The discrimination 
element could have been taken away in another 
manner also, bringing down the compensation 
of foreign companies. That is not what is 
is done. That is, what they have done is, they 
have added on to the Indian companies more 
of compensation That is not the only way 
in which discrimination can be avoided. 
They have got certain fixed assets. They say 
'book value' of the shares. Book value on 
what basis ? Is it really their acquisition ? 
Suppose a particular building was built JO or 
15 or 20 years ago. Naturally, the value is 
inflated today. But that is not their contri- 
bution. Based on that the compensation 
given should not go to the benefit of these 
people. Their, paid-up capital and other 
amounts together come to about Rs. 22 crores, 
according to a report in the Economic 
Times , but a larger amount is now being 
awarded. 


The point I am emphasising is, it will not 
be fair to keep this Parliament in the dark as 
to how specific amounts have been arrived 
at, a function which judiciary was discharging 
when we took over. This Parliament must be 
told as to how we are asked to say that this 
is the amount which is to be paid. I don’t 
say that we must do expropriation ; that is 
not what we are pleading for. What We are 
pleading for js that we must have couiage 
and we must go ahead with certain crash 
programmes. Unless we have full nationalise* 



General Insurance BHADRA 6, 
Business 

risk it wiU have no value at all* but if this 
is the policy underlying nationalisation, I 
would rather say, let us have no nationalisa- 
tion at all. 

Then again, certain shareholders together 
passed a resolution and you hand over all the 
money to them, solely and completely, so 
that other business may be started, may not 
be in the insurance field, but something else. 
There is no proper guideline about it, no direc- 
tion about it That amount they decide for you 
to hand it over. It is not as though compensation 
goes to the individual shareholder. Of course, 

I do not ignore the fact that the individual 
shareholder has got the option to say : I 
must have the money back. But why should 
he create a condition in which the money 
must always go to a particular coterie to do 
a particular type of business as per their 
choice without our guidance 7 This is another 
aspect which I want to emphasise. 

Much has been said about the four com- 
panies which we have visualised. But the 
hon. Finance Minister may kindly explain to 
us why this corporation cannot function as a 
single solid corporation. Competition is not 
an explanation for that. After all, general 
insurance business is not such a large-scale 
business. So, I do not really understand the 
rationale about it. There is nothing funda- 
mental about that. Nevertheless, why these 
four-companies-scheme must be there is a 
matter which deserver to be further explains. 


There is one more matter about indus- 
trial relations and the workers etc. Govern- 
ment have taken over the authority and 
power to transfer workers from one State to 
the other. These employees will remain 
employees of the corporation, according to 
the scheme. But the Government have taken 
over power to transfer them Only the 
employer can have that power. This is a 
very extraordinary power that Government 
have taken over to transfer a person who is 
not an employee of the Government. They 
cannot have it both ways. Either, the 
worker must be an employee of the Govern- 
ment or he must not be their employee. If 
he is their employee, automatically they have 
got the right to transfer. If he is not their 
employee, then they cannot have the right to 
transfer and take over the right to transfer 


1894 {SARA) (Nationalisation) Bill 254 

that person. That is an extraordinary power, 
and I do not really understand that. If the 
Corporation can be the employer, then the 
Corporation can transfer the person. Four 
companies are being visualised, and they can 
transfer these employees from place to 
place because there are the employers. But 
for Government to say in ong voice that these 
people are not their employees and to say in 
another voice that they will still assume the 
power to transfer these employees from place 
to place is a position which I just cannot 
understand at all. How far even constitu- 
tionally it will stand muster is a matter 
which will have to be gone into. This is a 
fundamental departure from the industrial law 
that we are used to. 

These are observations and reservations 
which I have got to make about this General 
Insurance Nationalisation Bill. As I said in 
the beginning, I shall repeat that our 
approach io this matter will have to be an 
approach for the restructuring of society, for 
completely recasting the fabric of society ; 
and we should not be mindful and over- 
solicitous about the little loss that the man 
who has invested some money somewhere is 
going to suffer. If that over-solicitude is going 
to be the motivation which is governing us, 
then, of course, taking way and redistribution 
is a process which we cannot at all do. 

When the Constitution Amendment Bill 
was moved here, people were taking about 
expropriation justice, just and fair compensa- 
tion and so on, and I remember the Prime 
Minister asking a straight question. ‘But what 
about the compensation for the people who 
are being exploited ? What about the ex- 
ploitation of the people who work but who 
do not get wages ? Think about that compensa- 
tion and not about the other compensation*. 

• B 

The underlying spir^ of this Bill is an 
over-solicitude to give compensation in such a 
manner as not to make the persons to be 
compensated nervous. That over-solicitude 
is dangerous. If that over-solicitude is going 
to be the motivation, then, let us talk less 
about restructuring the society, because we 
are attempting something which with that 
mental motivaiion will prove to be absolutely 
impossible. 

Sir, I take this Bill as an indication and 



255 General Insurandt^Business 


AUGUST 2*, 1972 


(Nationalisation) Sill 256 


[Shri C. M . Stephen] 

as a pointer. Taking 4ihis as an indication 
and as a pointer, feel sad and I do want raise 
my voice of warning that if this is the attempt 
and if this is the policy, then we would rather 
say ‘Garibi Hatao to the winds*. Nevertheless, 

1 support this Bill. 

« 

SHRI G. VISHWANATHAN (Wandi- 
wash) : That is the comedy. ^ 

SHRI JAGANNATHRAO JOSH I (Shaja- 
pur) ; He has made his conscience clear, 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
This is party democracy. 

SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN (Gobichetti- 
palayam) : Hon, Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, 
on behalf my party, the Dravida Munnetra 
Kazhagam, I extend my . . . 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What is the 
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No, no. 
Order please. If you are a new member, in 
the midst of a debate, in the midst of another 
person’s speech, you cannot raise any other 
matter. There are occasions for that. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order please. 
It cannot be raised. « Mr. Saminathan, if you 
do not want to speak, I would call another 
member (Interruptions) 

*SHRI P. A. SAMINATHAN (Gobichetti- 
palayam) : Hon. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, 
pn behalf of my party$ the Dravida 
Munnetra Kazhagam, I would like to extend 
my general support to the General Insurance 
Business (Nationalisation) Bill. I say that I 


generally welcome the Bill, which means I 
generally welcome the principle of this BflK 
But I cannot extend my wholehearted support 
because ihe provisions of the Bill run counter 
to the professed objective of the Government 
to endeavour earnestly for the establishment 
of egalitarian society in the country. I 
repeat that the provisions of the Bill are not 
going to help in establishing socialistic pattern 
of society in the country. In particular. I 
condemn with ail the force at my command 
the provision for the payment of Rs. 38.23 
crores as compensation to 107 General 
Insurance Companies. You know, Sir, that 
mine is not the solitary voice of condemna- 
tion from the Dravida Munnetra Kozhagam. 
Even the Members belonging to the ruling 
party, who have so far participated in the 
discussion, have vehemently opposed this 
provision for the payment of compensation, 
My hon. friend from the ruling party, Shri 
Stephen, raised a very pertinent question — If' 
it is the intention of the Government to pay 
such a huge sum of Rs. 38.23 crores as 
compensation, will it be proper for this House 
to give its approval for this Bill containing 
this provision ? He expressed his unequivo- 
cal opposition to this provision in the strong- 
est possible terms. 

With a view to curbing the undue growth 
of monopolistic and capitalistic tendencies m 
our industrial development, with a view to 
arresting the growth of concentration of 
wealth m a few hands, the nationalisation of 
core industries which contribute greatly to the 
economic development of the country, which 
enable the economy to move on au even keei, 
is resorted to. This is the basic and primrir y 
step in our objective of establishing socia- 
listic pattern of society in our country. If 
you ask the question whether this objective 
is possible of achievement through this measure, 
you will find that the answer is in the 
negative. 

I would like to refer to the most disturb- 
ing phenomenon in this Bill. In 1956, when 
the life insurance business was nationalised, 
256 eompanies doing life insurance business 
were given Rs 5 crores as compensation. 
Now, 16 yeais after the life insurance was 
nationalised, the Government have come 
forward with the proposal to pay Rs. 38.23 
crores as compensation to 107 General 


'“The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 



General Insurance BHADRA 6, 
Business 

Inlurance Commit*. JM m the prices of 
e$#otia! commodities have .shot up, the 
amount of compensation has also set up. 

15.00 iur. 

Sir, so far an amount of Rs. 6.6 crores 
has also been paid to these Companies, after 
their management has been taken over by the 
Government. I would request the hon. 
Minister of Finance to clarify whether this 
amount will form part of the total compensa- 
tion amount which has been decided by the 
Government or this is in addition to that. If 
this is in addition to the compensation to be 
ptld to them, then the total amount of com- 
pensation will be nearly Rs. 45 crores for 107 
General Insurance Companies. 

Out of these 107 companies 43 are foreign 
companies. During all these years these 
foreign companies have repatriated crores and 
crores of rupees as dividend. The amount 
so far repatriated would be several times more 
than the capital invested in these companies. 
From the provisions of this Bill, I find that 
they have been given the most favoured 
treatment by the Government. I am tempted 
to feel that rank discrimination has been 
shown against Indian companies in the matter 
of compensation. I doubt whether it is at 
all necessary for the Government to pay 
compensation for these foreign companies 
which have exploited our policy-holders so 
long. I would request the hon. Minister to 
answer this point in his reply to the 
discussion. 

Sir, the privy purses of the ex-Maharajas 
have been abolished. The major banks in the 
private sector have been nationalised. What 
for the Government had taken these steps ? 
To end the exploitation of monopolists, to 
diffuse the concentration of wealth in a few 
hands for the benefit of larger sections of our 
society, to make the public sector the effective 
means of delivering the goods to the people 
of our country, these steps had been taken 
by the Government. By giving such a huge 
compensation, are the Government not acting 
against their avowed objectives ? The tax- 
payers’ money will go to further fatten the 
pot«bel1ied monopolists of this country, who 
have so far had the unfettered freedom to 
play havoc with public money. The basic 
aim of nationalisation is defeated by this pro- 
vision of compensation for nationalising the 
general insurance business. 


1894 (SAKA) (, Natignalhmion ) BlU 258 

Why did the Government ask this House 
to approve the 25th Amendment of the 
Constitution ? Was that for enabling the 
Government to take over undertakings 
without paying compensation at market value 
or for paying fancy amounts of compensation 
for nationalising certain undertakings ? 
When I see this provision (or paying com- 
pensation, I feel that the Government need 
not have enacted the 25th Constitution 
Amendment. I glso begin to entertain this 
feeling : the Government have arrogated them- 
selves all this power to threaten these mono- 
polists and to keep the Democle’s sword 
hanging on their heads ; the Government 
would nationalise what they want at the time 
they choose ; the Government would declare 
the payment of compensation depending on 
their whims and fancies ; the Government 
might not' give any compensation at all ; the 
Government would not bother whether the 
tax-payers’ money would give more wealth to 
those who had been exploiting the people for 
their personal aggrandisement, and the 
Government would get everything approved 
by this House with the brute majority that 
they have. I am strongly of the view that 
the 25th Constitution Amendment would 
strengthen the hands of the ruling party 
rather than the weaker sections of our 
society. 

My party, the D. M. K. has passed 
Resolutions in our Conferences that all the 
industries having investment of 5 lakhs and 
more should be nationalised. The sugar 
mills, the cement industry, the textile mills 
and such other industrial organisations, which 
have so far been the milchcow of our mono- 
polists, should be nationalised. But, if this 
Bill- is going to be the precedent, then, I am 
afraid that that day will never come when the 
important means of production will be in the 
hands of public sector. The owners of textile 
Mills have exploited them thoroughly and 
they have invested all she money in fixed 
assets like land, building etc. They have 
utilised for their personal purposes all the 
money allocated even for Depreciation Fund 
and they want only failed to use that fund for 
modernising the plants. Such malpractices 
and mismanagement alone had led to the 
creation of sick textile mills. The Govern- 
ment are spending crores of rupees on the 
sick textile mills taken over by them for 
purpose of making them into productive units 
and for providing jobs to lakhs and lakhs of 



(Nationalisation) BUI 2 60 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


259 General Insurance business 

[Shri P. A. Saminathen] f 

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displaced textile labour^ So man? other 
textile mills which are no# making profit in 
millions of rupees are also likely to be the 
victims of mismanagement, because the 
owners, taking cue from the huge compen- 
sation being paid by the Government to 
nationalised Genfral Insurance companies, 
will fieece them to the maximum extent 
possible and in consequence they might also 
become sick mills to be nursed back to life by 
the Government at enormous cost to the 
public exchequer. As I am afraid that this 
provision in this Bill for giving huge com- 
pensation to the nationalised General In- 
surance Companies will pave the way for that 
unfortunate consequence, I request the hon. 
Finance Minister to delete the clause 
providing for compensation from the Bill. 
Then only the Government will be in a 
position to nationalise the cement, sugar and 
textile industries at a later stage in future. 

The Constitution is for the good of the 
people. The Government on this plea have 
amended the Constitution as and when they 
like. They have overwhelming majority in 
this House and the Constitution can in future 
be amended any number of times. The 
people reposed their confidence in the Prime 
Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi because she 
assured them that progressive measures for 
their welfare, like bank nationalisation, 
abolition of privy purses, etc. would be taken 
by the Government. After coming to power 
with absolute majority, what have the Govern- 
ment done ? Only the other day, we were 
told that the Government have decided to 
pay Rs. 10.70 crores as transitional allowance, 
which is another name for compensation, to 
the erstwhile Maharajas. The owners . of 
coking coal mines will be given compensation 
for taxing over their mines. The tax-evader 
will get compensation if his property is 
acquired by the Government.* 

« 

I do not know. Sir, whether all this 
money could not be utilised for removing 
unemployment, for providing shelters to 
millions of people sulking and sweating in 
scorching sun, for preventing starvation deaths 
even after 25 years of independence. The 
educated unemployment has reached alarming 
proportions. Could we not utilise this money 
for creating more employment opportunities ? 
Sir, the slogan of garibi hatao is being given 


a decent burial with the approval of this 
House. Sir, on behalf of my party, the 
D. M. K-, I strongly oppose the payment of 
compensation to the General Insurance 
companies— an amount of Rs. 38.23 crores— 
which is totally unwarranted and unreason* 
able. I am of the view that the nationali- 
sation policy of the Central Government is a 
sleight of hands, a rank deception practised 
on the common people of our country. 

I support generally the nationalisation of 
General Insurance companies. But I strongly 
oppose the provision for payment of 
38.23 crores as compensation to them. I 
have no hesitation in saying that the brute 
majority the Government have in this House 
will enable the monopolists and capitalists to 
enrich themselves further. As I feel that the 
Government will be belying the hopes and 
aspirations of the people of our country, I 
request the hon. Minister of Finance to delete 
this clause for payment of compensation to 
General Insurance companies, which is un- 
necessary, unwarranted and unreasonable. 

With these words, I conclude. 

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Nothing of 
this will go on record. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU {Diamond 
Harbour) : ** 

MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Nothing 
will go on record. Mr. Bosu, you are a 
senior Member of this House. It is impor- 
tant that sometimes Members bring up 
national issues even without notice but there 
is a time for it. We are conducting a debate. 

A Member is on his legs. Do you want 
me to run this House violating all the rules of 
the House ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : No. 


**Not recorded 



2il General Insurance 
* Business 
> MR, DEPUTY 'SPEAKER 


BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 262 


That Is 


whs* he is trying to do. This cannot come 
within this debate. This can come on some 
other occasion, at the proper time. ..(Inter- 
ruptions) I am not shutting him out, I 
am only trying to regulate the business of the 

House. I cannot do this ( Interruptions .) 

No more discussion about it (Inter- 

ruptions ) I have listened to him ; I have 
ruled him out. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You have 
chosen to cast aspersions on me. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have not 

chosen (Interruptions) 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU On a 
point of order. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : On his 
speech f What is the point of order ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : On the 
business before the House. Unless the House 


is brought to order, we are finding it difficult 
to know what the hon. learned Member is 
saying. The difficulty is that the hon. 
Member on my left is saying something. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Can I 
request you to co-operatg and bring this 
House to order ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : After I 
resume my seat. Sir. We had written *♦ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER This will 
not go on record. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA (Patan) : On a 
point of order. We have a right to hear 
what the. hon. Member says. You bring the 
House to order. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : This is no 
point of order. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : It is 
a point of disorder. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Let him give 
the ruling. I am a Member of this hon. 
House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We know 
that. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : My point of 
order is this. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : It is a point 
of disorder. 

• SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Who are you 
to say like this ? It is for the Chair to 
decide ; it is not for you to decide .... 
{Interruptions) > I am standing but he says 
there is no point of order and that it is a 
point of disorder. " 

SHRI VASANT SATHE: You cannot 
misuse the point of order. There must be a 
limit. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no 
point of order. Mr. Verraa. 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : I am a Member 
of this hon. House. 


♦♦Not recorded. 



263 General Insurant Business AUGUST 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Everyone 
knows that. >; 

SHRI &. S. CHAVttA : I am emitted 
to hear him. Isn't it ?.». .. 

MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : Yes ( Inter 
ruprions ). 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA :« It is for you 
to decide whether the obstruction should be 
removed. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am ruling 
him out. 

SHRI SHIV SHANKER PRAS\D 
YADAV roset. 

SHRI K S. CHAVDA : The Member is 
standing. What can we do ? 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You better 
resume your seat. (Interruptions) The only 
thing I can do is, with the cooperation of 
members here, I shall have to name this 
member for obstructing the proceeding of the 
House, if he does not resume his seat. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : He 
is himself going out. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am giving this 
warning. I shall have to name him. 

AN HON. MEMBER : He is going to 

fast. 

Shri Shankar Prasad Yadav then left 
the House. 

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SHRI VIRENDRA AGARWAL 
(Moradabad) : Mr Deputy-Speaker, we as a 
party accept nationalisation as a national 
creed. But it must serve the national objective. 
The Finance Minister, while defining the 
objectives of nationalisation, has assured us 4 
that it will serve both the purposes of 
growth and social justice. But as an economist 
I feel that nationalisation has not yet served 
the purpose either to hold the price line or to 
create additional employment potential. There 
is a suspicion in the minds of the common 
man in the country whether the present 
economic policies will really succeed in 
eradicating the poverty or to reduce disparity. 
At times it looks as i&it is entirely a political 
decision which would never serve the economic 
needs of the people. No government, whatever 
majority it may have, can ever thrive merely 
on slogans, unless it spelts out its policies in 
terms of raising the economic lot of the poor. 

# 

The public sector, as we all Know, has 
come to stay. But, at the moment, in common 
parlance it is identified with corruption and 
inefficiency. The mismanagement of the public 
sector has added to the inflationary pressure 



(Nattonalifaibn) BiH 268 


267 Qmeral tnsurance^Susinm AUGUST 28* 1972 


[Shri ViremJra AgarwaJ] 

by throwing more any more down thd 
bottomless .pit. who doea not know that the 
nationalisation of 14 commercial banks has 
had an adverse effect op, prices 7 We also 
know at the State Bank it takes more than 45 
minutes to get a cheque cashed, The national* 
ised banks have also failed to * meet the 
requirements of priority sectors. 

We believe, at the moment, we have 
reached a point when there must be a fuller 
evaluation o' all the nationalised, industries 
and find out exactly to what extent they have 
served the economic objectives which the 
Government has set before itself. We all know 
that the personnel policy of the public sector 
is also in shambles. There are 38 public sector 
organisations which do not have top executives. 
Sometimes, we are in search of committed 
man irrespective of whether they are compe- 
tent enough to delivfer the doos. Over- 
centralisation and overt polticalisation have 
marred the future of the public sector. If we 
see what the Soviet economists have beguo to 
analyse about Indian economy, they hold 
the view that today further nationalisation 
would hardly deliver the goods. Therefore, we 
as planners and economists have also to go 
into the question of nationalisation. Nationali- 
sation as such is not a bad word. It must be 
pursued if it serves the national interest. But 
at present we must consolidate the gains 
because the nationalised sector has not been 
able to deliver the goods. 

We all know that the economy is sliding 
back and we have reached a point of virtual 
economic stagnation, both in agriculture and 
industry. We have been analysing, year aftor 
year, what would be the best system for us to 
develop in the country. Lately, we have been 
talking a great deal about the joint sector. 
Ultimately, if we are really feoing to create 
large employment potential, we have to create 
some sort of medium technology. 

The next question that we have been 
debating here is about the Constitution 
(Twenty-fifth) Amendment. There is no doubt 
that the market, value concept if almsot gone. 
It is no use talking about market value con- 
cept. If we mi really rationale about it, then 
we must analyse whether the basis of compens- 
ation. worked out by the Government is clear 
and rational. The Finance Minister practi- 


cally refused to oblige us in the Joint Committee 
when we made a request to him to tell us the 
formula, the basis, on which the compensation 
is being determined. But we still do not know 
exactly where we stand. At the moment* there 
is an impression, not only among the Opposit- 
ion groups but in the entire House, and 
there is a unanimous view, that the 
compensation in the case of various companies 
is entirely arbitrary and has completely 
ignored the intrinsic worth of a company and 
of a share-holding represented by capital and 
other reserves. This arbitrary decision of the 
Government has, naturally, shaken the 
confidence of the investor and the stock 
market. There is a demoralising effect on the 
inestraent climate and we really do not know 
whether we will ever succeed in reviving the 
capital market which, according to me, is 
absolutely essential if we really want our 
economy to grow at a faster rate. Therefore, 

I would suggest that the Finance Minister 
must tell us what are really the specific 
guide-lines on the basis of which the compen- 
sation will actually be paid to the shareholders. 

There is a great deal of talk here about 
discrimination, not only discrimination between 
foreign and Indian companies, but discrimi- 
nation between Indian and Indian companies. 
At present, there is a consensus that if 
discrimination remains in determining the 
compensation to various companies, naturally, 
not on the question of market value but on 
the question of discrimination the whole Bill 
will be struck down by the Supreme Court. 
Therefore, we should certainly go into it and 
find out exactly whether we can have a 
rational uniform basis for determining the 
compensation to both foreign and Indian 
companies or not. 

My view is that no foreign company 
should be paid more than assets minus 
liabilities which has been calculated at Rs. 7.5 
crores. That is a rational basis. If the for- 
eign companies are treated rarher favourably 
as against Indian companies, I think, we 
cannot expect Indian companies to grow and 
revive investment climate to grow. 

Therefore, in any case, the foreign 
companies need not be paid anything more than 
Rs. 7 5 crores which is on the basis of 
assets minus liabilities, while the Indian 
companies, according to me, are to be paid 
on the basis of capital plus free teseres and 



General Insurance BHADRA3, tm ( SAKA ) (Nmtonalimien) Bili 270 

Business 


Whatever the gains we have from the 
foreign companies, I feel, shotrtd be redistri- 
buted among the Indian companies. That 
would be a fair, rational basis for determining 
the compensation to both foreign and Indian 
companies. 

This sort of ad hocisnt which is pursued 
by Government— because the 25th Constitu- 
tional .Amendment has made it possible 
for the Government not to mention the 
formula or the basis— will not carry us 
very far. We must have a very clear, straight 
formula, a uniform formula, for determining 
the compensation for both foreign and Indian 
companies. 

I am also serious in suggesting that, in 
respect of the structure of the nationalised 
general insurance companies, each State in 
the country should have an autonomous 
corporation. Instead of having one holding 
company and four regional autonomous 
corporations that have been suggested by this 
Bill. I would suggest that there should be 18 
autonomous corporations, one for each State, 
so that this concept of decentralisation, 
competition and reasonable profitability, 
which more or less are essential virtues for any 
business organisation, can be worked out for 
general insurance companies. 

15 27 hrs. 

[ Shri K.N Tiwary in the Chair] 

One of the most important objectives of 
general insurance companies today is that we 
should, somehow or other, extend the activi- 
ties of general insurance to the farming 
community. This is a very important aspect 
of nationalisation. Not only cattle but crops 
and farm machinery also need to be insured 
so that the sense of uncertainty which now 
prevails in the rural areas, with the rural 
people, could be removed. The entire country 
should really feel that both urban and rural 
properties can be insured, and in that way 
we could help in raising the agricultural 
productivity. 

Finally, I would say that the nationa- 
lisation of general insurance is almost like a 
very powerful hammer to kill a very small 
fly. Nationalisation is not the panacea for 
all economic ailments, though it must be 
employed if it is found necessary in national 
interest, In any case, it is very true that 
for the sake ;f ideological considerations if 


you go on nationalising, I do not think that 
we will be able to go very far in achieving 
what we expect in terms . Of eradication of 
poverty or reducing disparities, 

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b73 General Insurance BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 274 


>• Business 

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275 General Insurance AUGUST 28, 1972 ( Nationalisation ) BUI 276 

Business 


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faw *T?rr f 1 • 

SHRI H. M. PATEL (Dhandhuka) : I 
find that this Bill is not a very satisfactory 
Bill and it is the more unsatisfactory in that 
part of the . Bill where the question of com- 
pensation for the companies taken over is 
dealt with only the amount is mentioned, and 
no indication is given of the basis on which 
that amount is arrived at. The Finance 
Minister understandably refuses to give any 
indication of this. But I hope he has 
realised that even from his side of the House, 
dissatisfaction has been expressed at his 
reluctance to explain the basis that he has 
adopted, and that too is quite understand- 
able. 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE (Bombay 
Central) : Dissatisfaction has been expressed 
on this side so that the amount could be 
reduced . 

SHRI H, M. PATEL : Whatever be the 
reason for expressing their dissatisfaction that 
the broad basis has not been indicted, the 
fact remains that the basis ought to have 
been indicated, and then and then and then 
alone in this House we can consider whether 
the amount fixed is a reasonable one, and a fair 
one. When the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the 
Constitution was discussed in this House, it was 
clearly indicated that the object was not 
expropriation, that private^ property still 
remained and that although it would not be 
justiciable, it would be the duty of this House 
to see that the amount given was fair and 
reasonable. 

How on earth can we just judge whether 
the amount given is fair an<^ reasonable, un- 
less we are told the basis thereof ? But it is 
not possible to discuss this question further 
except this point of view that this Bill pro- 
pose to give amounts to foreign companies 
on a basis, which is far more favourable to 
the foreign companies than the basis that has 


been adopted or that appears to have been 
adopted for the Indian insurance companies. 
Why this discrimination to favour of the 
foreign companies ? There was a time when 
one objected to discrimination being exercised 
by the foreigners against Indians. But here 
our own Government chooses to discriminate 
in favour of foreingners and against their own 
citizens. Why 7 Not only that, but this 
process of discrimination is carried further 
and is to be found as between Indian insu- 
rance companies themselves. The additional 
sum that was given {subsequently or that has 
been proposed to be given does ,not in any 
way remove that discrimination. On the 
contrary, it deepens the mystery, for no clear 
basis appears to have been adopted for giving 
these additional amounts to the tune of Rs* 5 
crores odd to the various Indian insurance 
companies. 

I know that what I am saying falls on 
virtually deaf ears because there is no 
intention whatsoever to remove this discrimina- 
tion. I do nevertheless venture to hope 
that the Finance Minister will indicate, will 
endeavour to explain, why there is this dis- 
crimination, or if he denies that theie is any 
discrimination, why that is so. 

Having said this, I would make a few 
observations in regard to the concept of the 
General Insurance Corporation and the four 
companies which they propose to set up. The 
Finance Minister has said in his speech that 
the object was to instil a competitive element. 
What particular type of competition does he 
envisage ? If he had indicated that, it might 
have been possible to consider further how 
this would be an advantage. What is the 
kind of competition does he envisage or anti- 
cipate that these four companies would indulge 
in ? Would they be allowed to quote different 
tariff rates ? Presumably, the Corporation 
at the top has been set up in order to ensure 
a certain measure of uniformity in regard to 
tariffs and so on. If so, the object of com- 
petition is very difficult to see. It is just not 
clear how there can be any competition, unless 
it is going to be competition in the efficiency 
of service ? And bow do you judge this effici- 
ency of service 7 

I can foresee only one direction in which 
perhaps there might be an advantage in 
having four companies. You may be able to 
try out experiments through these companies 
in new areas of insurance. You may try out 



1 277 General Insurance BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) (Nationalisation) Bill 278 
’ Business 


' in me area a crop insurance scheme, in an- 
' other a cattle insurance scheme and in a third 
some other Mod of insurance, areas which 
have not 6een covered hitherto and which it 
is desirable should be covered. At the same 
time t you may feel that the risk may be too ’ 
great to take it up over the entire country. 
But I am afraid this is only my guess of a 
possible idea that Government may have, but 
it seems to me that on the whole, the setting 
up of four companies designed definitely to 
compete, may well lead to difficulties in actual 
practice. . 

1 do feel that this idea of setting up four 
companies deserves to be given further con- 
sideration. There is already the General 
Insurance Corporation itself. That Corpora- 
tion could quite easily carry out any experi- 
ments in limited areas that they may desire. 
You can ensure by various management 
expendients competitiveness in efficiency 
without having separate companies. Merely 
to have increased heavy overheads is not 
necessarily going to be any advantage. 

You have before you the experience of the 
Life Insurance Corporation. Undoubtedly 
the type of insurance is different. Never- 
theless, the LIC has functioned satisfactorily 
and efficiently without having to divide it into 
separate companies although there has been 
pressure upon the Government to break up 
the Life Insurance Corporation into several 
corporations, it has been resisted. And to 
my mind, the resistance has been wise. Why 
then should we start in this case, ab initio . 
with one corporation and four compnies ? V 
know that there may be certain other difficiift 
ties. It was suggested by Shri Inderjit Gupta 
that this was designed against labour. 
Certainly labour creates difficulties. But it 
seems to me that there too it is time that 
you faced up to labour friendly and squarely, 
and without doing so in roundabout manner. 
If by having four companies, you imagine that 
your ability to face up to labour will be greater, 
I think that is a mistake assumption. I think it 
would be far better to look into this question 
solely from the point of view of efficient 
management and I think from that standpoint 
possibly one corporation and four companies 
may well be a mistake. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola) : Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, the first point that I would like 
to take is the point regarding this one 


holding corporation company and four 
companies. In my humble opinion, all that 
the Finance Minister stated, while explaining 
this point in answering the objection, was that 
we have taken into consideration all the 
various points raised by various Opposition 
Members and we have come to this conclusion 
that it will be better because it wilt give 
healthy competition. If healthy competition is 
the only poiit, let us examine what are the 
people in general insurance going to compete 
about. 

Here, the ptemium rates are fixed. This is 
not a production industry or a concern where 
four people are producing four goods of the 
same type and sailing them at different costs 
so that there is an element of competition 
involved, as to who does it more efficiently 
and who produced things more efficiently. 
What are you going to produce here ? You 
have fixed the premium rates and the people 
who ore going to insure are going to insure 
their house, factories or other buildinge at a 
particular rate, and if there is a damage you 
pay a particular compensation to those 
persons. Tell me what is the competition 
in this. The only competition that we knew 
up till now in these various companies— in 
respect of this we are going to have four— was 
competition in underhand dealings of giving 
rebate. Everyone would say, "If you insure 
with my company I will give you 10 per cent” 
and some others will say, "I will give you five 
per cent.” And another man may say the 
maximum will be given. So, in both ways 
there was corruption. Here also, if you 
encourage competition in these four companies, 
I can understand if you can restrict them to 
their own areas and make them show their 
efficiency. But you are going to allow them 
to work in the entire country. That will 
mean^ there will be competition in corrup- 
tion. * This is Precisely what it will result in. 

# 

Another dangerous thing in this is that 
you will create bad blood among the emplo- 
yees. Supposing there are different profits in 
different companies ; in some companies, 
because of the regions, being rich or having 
some basic industries or bigger houses, better 
profits may be earned. If they earn better 
profits, the employees in that company will 
say, "Give me a better wage, better salary 
and a higher bonus and a share in your pro- 
fits" and so on. Once this is done in one 
company, do you think you can stop this 



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in the case of any of the. four companies 
merely on the ground that you have made a 
lesser profit ? 

Overheads will increase in every possible 
manner that you can think of ; parochial 
considerations will come in. Suppose a com- 
pany having its head office in ftombay tries 
to go and work in Calcutta and employs men 
in Calcutta to compete. You can imagine 
the type of bad blood that will be created. 
Therefore, I would beg of the Finance Minister 
to consider this matter. I have seen not a 
single Member who spoke for it in this House 
except the Finance Minister. He has to stand 
by whatever he said : He is committed, for- 
tunately or unfortunately. I am sure, left to 
himself, if he was not a Minister but a Mem- 
ber, probably he would agree with us because 
the unanimous opinion here is : do not have 
this competition in corruption ; please do 
not encourage this. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
shall argue with you later on. 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : We are willing 
to argue. I was wanting to see at leas! one 
person. Even Mr. Patel— leave alone the 
communists, you can say that they have 
extreme views on the labour side — has said 
that four companies should not be there and 
one corporation would be more efficient. We 
on this side are also of the humble view that 
there should be one corporation. 

Coming to the question of compensation 
may I submit that on one point I beg td 
differ from some of our friends who unwitting- 
ly have asked the Finance Minister to give 
reasons and the formula aqd explain the 
principles. You do not know what trap you 
will fall in. Some people, some vested interests 
precisely want the principles to be spelt out 
so that they can later on go to the Supreme 
Court and say : look, this has not been done 
in accordance with principles and therefore 
legislation is bad and strke it down. Therefore, 
although I have reservations as* far as the 
quantum and the whole principle of the fixa- 
tion of the armount is concerned, 1 am one 
with the Finance Minister on this : do not 
spell out the principles or the formula, if 
you want to save yourself within the frame- 
work of the Constitution. . .(Interruptions.) 


Otherwise, whatever goodness there may be, 
even that will be frustrated and defeated in 
the Supreme Court, What will you gain 7 

After all, what is the idea of compensa- 
tion ? Whom do we compensate 7 It is a 
fundamental question. In a socialist system 
whom do we compensate ? I want to do social 
justice even to the capitalist. Capital formation 
is there. I know how strongly and vehemently 
critical is the Finance Minister of the un- 
earned income, people who have accumulated 
wealth, people who invested in this company 
or industries like this. What do you do ? You 
get premium from the people and utilise it 
somewhere else and earn profits on that in- 
vestment and earn here also in the form of 
dividends. This is a fundamental question 
and we will have to review and ask ourselves 
what compensation are wo going to pay and 
to whom. 

I would like to know from the hon. 
Finance Minister what is the preccntage of 
middle-class shareholders in various com- 
panies, people who have invested less then 
Rs. 5,000 Because, the idea prevalent in my 
mind at least is that it is only the big houses 
who have the maximum investment. But if 
the majority of shareholders in these com- 
panies are having shareholdings less then 
Rs 5,000, if the compensation to be given by 
you is going directly to those shareholders, 
then I would submit that there is an element 
of social justice in that But I would like to 
know what is the shareholding of the big 
people and what is the shareholding of the 
small or medium people. 

16-00 hrs. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajapur): 
Sir, in this debate, criticism has been levelled 
against the Bill from various angles. For a 
person like me, it is very necessary that 
I must identify my area of criticism Other- 
wise, it would get mixed up with that criti- 
cism which is very critical of the very fact 
of nationalisation of general insurance and 
other credit institutions. I am one of those 
who believe that even to a socialist, nationali- 
sation might not be a panacea for all econo* 
mic evils of the society. Affluent societies 
can take a different attitude to nationalisation, 
but developing countries like India have to 
take an altogether different attitude. For 
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rely more on the concept of self-reliance, 
nationalisation of financial and credit institu- 
tions which guide the direction of develop* 
meat of this country, is a must. Therefore, 

I welcome the step of nationalising general 
insurance as a correct step. Very often in 
vague generalisations, our attitude and 
direction is correct. But when it comes to 
spelling out details, we falter and fumble. 1 
think that is what has happened here. 

I do concede that quite a good number of 
suggestions made in the Select Committee 
have already been accepted, but quite a good 
number remain yet to be accepted. 1 hope the 
Finance Minister will adopt a flexible posture 
and will not take it for granted that every 
amendment moved in this House is to be re- 
jected If some amendments are accepted, they 
will add more strength to the Bill and to that 
extent the Bill become a powerful instrument 
in accomplishing the social objective and 
economic policies for which it is designed. 

1 believe in decentralisation. But decentra- 
lisation and what is being proposed here, I do 
not think are co-terminous. Decentralisation 
is always intended to add to efficiency and 
to see that the concentration of economic 
wealth and power is avoided. My mind is 
quite open to this experiment of four com- 
panies. If we really find that as a result of 
four units efficiency can be stepped up and 
wc can bring about the end of greater and 
greater concentration of economic wealth, in 
that case, my mind is quite open. But I have 
my own doubts. Since the tariff' rate and 
premium rate are going to be identical, I 
feel that the very pious objective with which 
the Finance Minister tries to approach this 
experiment of four units is not going to be 
fulfilled. If the tariff and premium rates are 
going to remain the same, splitting corpora- 
tion into four units will mean, of course, 
competition, but will it be healthy competition 
in which the efficiency of the business will go up 
or will it be a competition in which really 
the malpractices will be enhanced manifold ? 
There I fully agree with Mr. Sathe that if 
this experiment is taken up with the rest of 
the considerations remaining the same, 
efficiency which is supposed to be associated 
with the experiment of decentralisation, is not 
going to be achieved. I feel that the existing 
malpractices will multiply manifold. You are 
aware of the fact that there is a system of 
fictitious agents. One does not know where 


they are and who they are. Big house re- 
presentatives say^ these arc the agents and 
payment should & made to them. 

So many fictitious agents are there and 
thrbugh them a lot of malpractices in busi- 
ness are going on. I do n$ think these 
malpractices will be put an end to. On the 
other hand, I feel these malpraciices will 
grow. Therefore, £ome soit of centralised 
direction has to be given and the loopholes 
and malpractices removed. 

While dealing with this problem the repre* 
sentatives of employees used a wrong term 
in their memorandum. They wanted to have 
a ‘monolithic corporation* ; in fact, that term 
has got a bad odour. We can have “a single 
autonomous corporation”. Then probably some 
of the difficulties can be eliminated. 

There is another important aspect. If 
we are going to have four units as proposed 
in this Bill, apart from the malpractices the 
overhead expenses will be very large, the 
establishment charges will be very heavy as a 
result of which profitability will go down. 
It is not only a private entrepreneur but 
even the public sector industry has to think 
of profitability. If the overhead charges go 
up to a veiy great extent, that will decrease 
the profitability. That aspect has to be taken 
into account. 

Then there is another a spect which is 
very important from the point of view of 
employees. If there are four units function- 
ing, with the best of efforts it will not be 
possible to ensure uniformity of emoluments, 
standardisation of wages, security of jobs 
etc. Since the profitability of different units 
would be different, with the best of intentions to 
maintain the uniformity of wage structure, 
economic benefits and social security, you 
will find that there is £ definite disincentive 
to raising the efficiency of this business due 
to ununiformity of wages. So, we should 
view this from that angle also. 

Coming to gpmpensatjon, though the word 
“compensation” nowhere is there and it is 
only an amount to be paid for whatever we 
acquired, even though we have discarded 
that word in the Constitution, everybody is 
using that term. Here I feel that some 
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with Shri Sathe that i& we Jry to evolve a 
principle then we will gMt stuck. 1 feel some 
principles < have to be" evolved so that the 
social aspect will be attended to. It is not 
only the vested interests that are interested 
in seeing that concrete principles are evolved ; 
the middle class 4 shareholders would also like 
to see that some concrete principles are 
evolved for working out the amount to be 
paid. & 

I am sorry to say that some of the con- 
crete proposals placed before the Select 
Committee were not accepted in the final 
report. In fact, two principles were 
enunciated One principle was that five 
times the average of the net profits of 
the years 1967* 1968 and 1969 be given as the 
amount for the business acquired. But a 
more concrete formulation was suggested, 
which meets with social justice aspect. My 
hon. friend said that we have accepted private 
property and expropriation is not to be 
indulged in. I am not one of those who 
adopt a doctrinnaire view on property. So 
long as property does not outlive its social 
obligations, it functions within the framework 
of social welfare, such property need not be 
touched. It is only when property outlives 
its social utility and becomes a challenge that 
certain restrictions have to be put on it. 

SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN 
(Badagara) : Should property be limited ? 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I am 
makiQg a distinction between two types of 
property. In this sense, I feel, it is not 
merely the question whether private property 
being expropriated or not. Some form. of 
expropriation is there. But when we are 
going to pay a certain amount, is it not 
possible for us to accept a principle ? What- 
ever is the “paid-up capital”, we should 
accept that as the basis for payment of what 
you call as compensation or the amount to 
be paid as a legitimate amount. I think, if 
that is accepted, the social justice aspect will 
be served. If we take concrete statistics into 
account, it is a fact that, as far as many 
shareholders are concerned they have 
actually derived such fat dividends that so far 
as the face value is concerned, it is completely 
surpassed and, this being a situation even on 
tbe basis of statistics, I think, it will be 
possible for us to ensure that as a legitimate 
basis, the paid-up capital is accepted a$ the 


amount to be paid for business acquired. 
That will be a fair basis for the payment of 
compensation. 

When the Twenty-fifth Constitution 
Amendment was accepted— many of us had 
supported the Twenty-fifth Amendment just 
as we supported the Twenty-fourth Amend- 
ment— we always said that these are tbe 
enabling Bills. Ultimately, the test of the 
Bills will be how these Bills are harnessed and 
utilised. 

Sir, I have little time at my disposal. 
I would like to take only a minute more to 
stress one more aspect which is very impor- 
tant from the point of view of employees 
also. Security of job, standardisation of 
wages and the problem of bonus are all 
related problems. As far as bonus is con : 
cerned, the general policy cannot be included 
here because it is the Bonus Act in the 
amended form that will have to give the 
direction. As far as uniformity of wages and 
emoluments are concerned, and also the 
assurance of job security, I think, the 
conditions that are absolutely essential will 
not be fulfilled by the present form of Bill. 
Therefore, I feel tnat certain provisions which 
are there will have to be radically altered. 

Sir, some of us have given amendments. 
While concluding, I must say, that adequate 
time was not available for us to submit 
amendments to the Bill. We have already 
submitted some amendments. I hope, if a 
few minutes’ delay is there, probably a rigid 
attitude will not be taken and those amend- 
ments will be admitted. On the basis of 
those amendments, we have concretised the 
proposals as to how lacunae can be filled. 
I would very much like the Finance Minister 
to go carefully through the amendments. 
Generally, our experience unfortunately in 
this House has been that amendments are 
just put to vote— they are circulated earlier — 
and only the Amendment No. so and so is 
put to vote and, generally, it is taken for 
granted that the amendments moved by the 
Opposition are to be rejected. I hope, that 
will not be done here. Very often, it happens 
so. As far as I am concerned, my attitude 
in this House has always been issue-oriented. 
If we find any progressive measure of some 
issue coming from the Treasury Benches as 
having an lement of radicatity, we have 
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Oppositionist. I am only opposed to politics 
of vested interest, not opposed to everything 
that/ comes from the Treasury Benches. 
Therefore, here, ! would say in the end that 
the Finance Minister should carefully scan 
all the amendments that have been submitted. 
Some of the amendments are bound to 
strengthen the Bill which he has already 
moved for consideration. If those amend- 
ments ore accepted, many lacunae in the Bill 
will be completely eliminated and some of the 
difficulties as a result of lacunae in the Bill 
will be completely removed and the efficiency 
of this field of industry will be stepped up, 

I support many of the provisions of the 
Bit), of course, with the hope that some of 
the amendments moved by the Opposition will 
be accepted to strengthen the Bill. 

SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira) : Mr. 
Chairman, Sir, I rise to support the Bill. I 
understand the Bill has been undertaken for 
the benefit of the Indian people. Analysing 
the various measures under the Bill, one can 
easily say that the controversy which has been 
created is not necessary. There has been 
some mention about the quantum of compen- 
sation. Some Members have been rather 
sceptical about the way in which the com- 
pensation has been worked out. But anyone 
who is aware as to how the capital, reserves 
and dividends are paid or made, he would 
easily be able to judge the reasons for pro- 
viding the compensation which has been stated 
therein. 

There is the capital which was subscribed 
probably several years back. The Finance 
Minister said that the rupee today is 0.42 p. 
worth and, to that extent, nearly 2\ times the 
amount is, in any case, due for the invest- 
ment made some 20 to 30 years back. The 
reserves are made after payment of the taxes. 
Taxes are paid according to the laws enacted 
by parliament. In other words, neither the 
capital nor the reserves are illegal amounts 
earned by the shareholders. The Government 
of India is a party to their providing these 
items. 

Then .there is the question of dividend. 
We all know that there have been certain 
divideod restrictions. There has also been' 
a certain tendency to build up reserves 
restricting dividends. To this extent, if 
' dividend alone is the justifying measure, it 


cannot be accepted as the basis for com- 
pensation. 

Then there is the question of capital and 
reserves and the computation of share value 
in relation to the wealth tax assessment that 
the Income tax Department of the Ministry 
makes. The same people are* asked what is 
the break-up value of a particular share. 
There are criteria laid down in the laws* If 
those laws were applied, the compensation 
which would have been payable would have 
been far more. Therefore, what we are 
paying under the present circumstances is a 
reasonable price and not something which is 
unrelated to the realities. In fact, if we had 
felt that the amounts which we were paying 
were rather on the high side, then we would 
not have thought of taking over the shares 
at the present rates. Then there have been 
stock-holdings by small people. But, I be- 
lieve, the principal holders are LIC and public 
institutions. Therefore, the grearer amount 
of benefit is likely to go to the Government's 
own organisations. 

There is also another item in the Bill 
relating to the scope of business or structural 
matter. I would request the Finance Minister 
to let the States do their part of the insurance 
job. This is a service-oriented industry 
wherein a certain amount of directness, a 
certain amount of work relating to payments 
of claims and so on, is involved ; in some 
cases the assessments are to be done on the 
spot and calculations regarding the rates are 
to be worked out immediately. The States 
already undertaking certain additional func- 
tions not stated under section 35 — since 
revised to 36 In this category, I have not 
seen, items covering cooperative societies, 
State Boards, panchayats and those sorts of 
local organisations. Whatever the areas, 
where the States are functioning already, they 
may be permitted ’because it forms a subs- 
tantial part of the revenue of the States and 
the States are principally responsible for 
providing at times the capital. 

Then there has been some mention regard- 
ing the four divisions in the set-up. There 
have been some &mp!aints that, if four bodies 
or companies are established, there will be 
loss, there will be certain under-hand practices 
and increase in costs. I do not believe in 
this because this is basically a service industry 
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monopoly, whether Slate or private, the 
monopoly itself is creating certain difficulties 
for the public. We have to judge everything 
from public point of view just as we talk 
about the public point of view in regard to 
nationalisation. 

i 

Our Communist friends have world 
reputation for paying excellent compensations 
when deals by Communist countries are done. 
They want that their credit worthiness and 
reputation should be kept high. When it 
comes to India, 1 do not know why those 
people feel sore about maintaining certain 
ethical standards. After all, India is a part 
of the world and if we expropriate things, 
then we are not likely to attract much admi- 
ration and faith from other countries of the 
world. 

Therefore, wc have to behave in a manner 
which would be in line or in consonance with 
the general standards or ethical standards all 
the world over and to that extent, even if we 
temporarily feel that some amounts or 
certain figures are not determined on axaction 
basis and act wrongly, we feel that such things 
are not likely to create our image or credit 
worthiness in the international field. 

Lastly, there has been a question of 
employees. I believe that there should be a 
reward and penalty. If anybody works 
better, he should be rewarded. On the other 
hand, if anybody does not work, then, 
naturally, he must be penalised to that 
extent. Even out payments just for the sake 
of giving benefit of uniformity is likely to 
result in inefficiencies. Therefore, the 
Ministry should be congratulated for having 
provided for four separate competing divi- 
sions, that is, four separate companies. 

In these companies the "service conditions 
could be dependent bn the revenues and the 
revenues would be dependent on the service 
these people offer and give to the customers. 
In any part of the world, the customer is just 
not a king but the emperor and if the Indian 
people are to be treated by the Government 
differently* say, like beggars, then these 
organisations are not likely to attract much 
admiration but if we have competitive bodies, 
competing Organisations, then we might stand 
abetter chance of fulfilling what we have 
promised to the people. 


SHRI P. M. MEHTA (Bhavnafegr) : Sir, 
I welcome this measure. This measure is 
a step forward in the right direction and such 
like measures will ultimately fulfil the socio- 
economic objectives of this country. 

Gut, Sir, it is very strange that the Govern- 
ment have not given any consideration to the 
useful suggestions made by some members of 
the Select Committee. In this House also, to- 
day, almost all members except Shri Chavan 
and the last speaker, Shri D. D. Desai, all 
opposed the idea, of formation of four com- 
panies. 1 need not repeat the points or elaborate 
the points because my friend, Prof Madhu 
Dandavate, has elaborately dealt with the 
point. 

The formation of four companies will 
ultimately result in top-heavy administration 
and all the corrupt and malpractices which are 
prevailing to-day in the general insurance 
business will continue to flourish. Therefore, 
\ would appeal to Shri Chavan that we should 
reconsider this point and I think he will come 
out with the appropriate amendments to form 
one corporation. 

My second point is about compensation. 
If we go through the report of the Joint 
Committee, it appears that the Government, at 
the last minute amendment to the schedule of 
the Bill, have surrendered to the pressure of 
the big houses and they have not given any 
formula or any principle or any basis for 
calculation of this compensation .. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : They 
should surrender to this big House. 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : They are in the 
habit of surrendering to the big business houses, 
you know. 1 had mentioned only the other 
day that they are talking of curbing the mono- 
poly but they have given licences to Birlas in 
the last year fourteen licences for new projects 
and 13 licences to the Tatas for the expansion 
of their companies. So, this is nothing new 
which we see from the report. 

The other thing 19 : They have favo- 
ured the foreign dominated companies. 
Regarding the amounts to be paid to the 
Indian and foreign insurance companies for 
the transfer^ shares of each Indian insurance 
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jbompaples for the trawler and vesting in the What is acceptable has already been accepted. 
Centra) Government of each such undertaking, The hon. Member, Shri Dandavate started 
no elarificafkm was given to the members with a compliment to the Government that 
of the ^Jolnt Committee by the Govern- they have been very flexible in the Select 
xnent of the basis of or the principles Committee. In the Select Committee stage 
underlying the determination of the amounts. , when we considered these matters, 1 agreed to 
There is discrimination also between the for- accept as many amendments, I thought I could 
eign companies and the Indian companies and accept as being reasonable. Well, I do not 
while they have said more amounts to the want to anticipate the discussion on the 
foreign companies, the reasons are no known amendments now. When we come to the 
to as. The reasons are best known to the discussion of *the amendments on merits we 
Government only. I hope Mr. Chavan will can consider whether there is any acceptable 
clarify it. amendment. But, any amendment which is 

going to change the character of the Act 
This Bill provides power to transfer the itself now at this stage is unthinkable, 
employees of one company to another company 

and it vests the power in the Central Govern- The debate generally concentrated on three 
moot. This is highly objectionable. After all, or four important points. One is about eom- 
you are nationalising the insurance companies pensation. I dealt with this question in my 
and you are forming a corporation. How is introductory speech, and I gave the types of 
it that you are asking the power to transfer arguments that were advanced at the time of 
the employees of one company to the other discussion of the question of compensation in 
company or from one corner of the country to the Select Committee level, It is not compcnsa- 
another corner of the country ? This measure tion, but it is ‘amount’ that we are paying 
will be grossly misused by the Government, according to the Constitution. But, if the idea 
My fear is, it will create victimisation and is that nothing should be given, certainly 
ultimately this transfer power of the Govern- Government cannot accept that position, 
ment will create hardships to the employees. 

So, I hope Government will consider this point Some people merely merely think in terms 
also and delete the proviso from the Bill. of crores and they say ‘How big an amount 

is being paid'. There are nearly 107 insurance 
Regarding the question of corruption, you companies including foreign insurance com- 
are well aware of the fact that there is a lot of P an,es which are involved in this, and this 
corruption today in this particular line of compensation is to be paid to the shareholders, 
business. Fictitious agencies of ihe big houses Some Members did try to compare, particularly 
collect rebates not allowable under the Aet. I°drajit Gupta compared, the compensa- 

These things are going on. If this idea of t * on P a |^ * n thc case t * le insurance 
having four companies continues, this sort of companies with that in the case of the general 
corruption is not going to end. It will only Insurance companies. But they forgot the 
increase. fundamental difference between life insurance 

business and the general insurance business. 

The profit or benefit in the case of life in- 
These are the three or four points that I surance goes t0 tbe po | icyholders . In thc case 

wanted to mention. I hope that Goverdiaent 0 f general instance, really speaking, the owner- 
will give due consideration to these points ship vests in , be shareholders. So, naturally, 

submitted by all the Members. Thank you. the compensation has ’to be paid to the share- 

holders. Therefore, the amount which we are 
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI thinking in the case of general insurance is 
YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN) : Sir, I must bigger because the ownership is scattered, 
say, the discussion was certainly very 
interesting and useful... 

16.32 hrs. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE And [Mr. DePuty-SPeaker in the Chair] 
also acceptable. 

Shri Vasant Bathe wanted me to tell him 
SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : the exact number of people involved in the 

Whatever is reasonable is always acceptable, insurance companies. I have not got figures 



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[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan] : 
for all the insurance companies, but I have got 
some sample figures which 1 would like to give 
to the hon. Member; Shri Indrajit Gupta had 
also raised the same point. Therefore, I have 
tried to get some information, and I shall 
give the information f about six or seven typical 
insurance companies. 

In the case of British India, General, the 
number of shareholders who have shares less 
than Rs. 5000 is 2480, and they form 98,3 per 
cent of the total number of shareholders. In 
the case of Concord of India, the number of 
shareholders in 302, and they form a percentage 
to the total, which is 90.7 per cent. In the 
case of Hindusthan General the number of 
shaieholders is 220, while their percentage to 
the total is 86,3 per cent In the case of New 
Great, the number of shareholders is 1468, 
and their percentage to the total is 96 per 
cent. In the case of New India, which is 
one of the largest companies, and which is an 
important and well run company, the number 
of shareholders having less than Rs. 5000 
shares is 19468, and their percentage to the 
total is 96 per cent. In the case of Ruby, the 
number of shareholders having less than 
Rs, 5000 shares is 903, while their percentage 
to the total is 81 per cent. So, from these 
figures, hon. Members may realise what the 
position is. Whether these people who have 
shares of Rs. 5000 or less are rich or over- 
rich is something on which 1 cannot say any- 
thing. but their interest in the company 
certainly is less than Rs. 5000. It may be 
that most of them are likely to be middle 
class people. So, if we are paying some reasona- 
ble amount to them I am not using the word 
‘compensation', but ‘reasonable amount' there 
is nothing wrong about it. 

SHRI S M. BANERJEE : Are they not 
holding shares elsewhere, or ar* they holding 
shares only in the general insurance com- 
panies ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I do 
not know; so, I cannot say that. It will be 
very difficult to make that kind of statement. 
Possibly, they may be holding shares some- 
where elso also. It is quite possible that there 
may be some people who are holding some 
shares only m the insurance companies. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Will 
those who hold shares up to Rs. 5000 be paid 
tofuli? 


SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : No, 
not in full it will be in proportion to the 
amount that is paid to the entire company. 
My point is that some hon. Members, had 
said that we should not make any payment 
at all. My answer to that argument is 
that we just cannot take that position. 
That was one line of argument which was 
made about it. 

As regards the formula, some hon. Mem- 
v bers repeated the same point and asked what 
the principle was and what the principle was 
not. I think Shri Vasant Sathe has replied to 
that question very ably, and I do not think 
that I need go into it But certainly the 

questions of dividend, the questions of assets 
minus liabilities, questions of profiability, all 
these factors had to be taken into account, 
while fixing a certain amount. These were 
eertainly taken into account while even changing 
the schedule at the Joint Committee level. 

When the Joint Committee accepted this, 
they accepted it after full consideration of 
the problem . Some members did not agree so 
that, But the Joint Committee is a body of 
Parliament which has approved these amend- 
ments. Therefore, I cannot say that Parliament 
has not applied its mind. The Joint Committee 
is certainly a judicial committee in this matter 
and they have to take a judicious view of the 
thing The Joint Committee have taken a 
judicious view and come to these conclusions. 

I do not think I need add anything to this 
point again. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He 
said that he would refer to the amendments 
after looking into them afterwards. I just 
want to point out that in the morning the 
Speaker had said— of course, there was a lot 
of trouble at that time going on in the House-* 
that amendments would be accepted till 3 P.M. 
and a little delay does not matter. This is on 
record. All my amendments have come by 
3.15, In view of this, Deputy Speaker's 
statement that my amendments cannot be 
accepted is very unfair. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN: I 
have no objection. The Chair can decide. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I also did 
not intend to be rigid ( Interruption i). Order, 
please. You do not allow the Chair to say 
anything in peace. At this moment, there 
are quite a number of amendments. 



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I PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : There 
ac*«. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hand- 
writing is so' difficult that we have not been 
able to decipher it. All the amendments that 
were given upto 3 P.M. have been cyclostyled 
and circulated. Your amendments have not 
been circulated so that at the time you move 
them, they will have to be read out to the 
House. My difficulty is that they are not 
just one or two; they are many and the hand- 
wiiting is difficult to decipher. 1 do not know. 
We will see about that. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : We 
told the Speaker that it is not possible... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : We shall 
see when the amendment stage comes. Perhaps 
if you had only written in more legible hand- 
writing, it would not have been difficult. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: My 
handwriting is better than so many others’ . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is the 
difficulty with the handwriting of all professors. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
said we can certainly consider the amendments 
on meiits when we reach that stage. That does 
not mean that I am not going to accept amend- 
ments. I also said that any amendment which 
is going to change the character of the legis- 
lation at this stage is very difficult for me to 
accept. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Merit 
should not be ignored. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : No. 
In principle, I agree with that. 
The next point is about the proposal to 
have four companies. I know that it is not a 
very fundamental problem for me also. This 
is not an issue on which we can say that we 
have got fundamental differences. It is a 
question of making a new approach to the 
problem, when you are trying to judge 
the performance and the field of com- 
petition, I am afraid people are still prisoners 
of the -past. They only think in terms of 
premium cutting, corruption and other things. 
Even in a socialist economy, in a socialist 
society, them can be a competition in giving 
better service to the customer. I do not under- 
stand why there is a misgiving on this. There 


is no question here of cutting premium etc ; 
but certainly it is a question of the Corpora- 
tion giving better service to the people. Mere 
nationalisation does not mean improvement 
in the service to the customer. Even today 
I hear complaints about the nationalised batiks 
because the standard of service to the custo- 
mers is somewhat deficient. So when I say 
there would be competition, I certainly mean, 
let us try and look to the future. The com- 
petition will be ip giving better service to the 
people. We are not going to confine our 
activities merely to the field in which the 
present general insurance is operating. We 
will have to go to somenew areas. As I had 
said while moving the Motion in connection 
with the previous Bill, in days to come we 
will have to go into new areas of social 
service. In the case of agriculture, possibly 
we will have to do something, not immedia- 
tely perhaps . But certainly these are the areas 
to be tapped. You are creating a new instru- 
ment to approach the new problem of general 
insurance in a new manner Therefore, it is 
much essential that we have the idea of 
competition as far as service to the customers 
is concerned. We merely look to the past, 
how one company tried to compete with the 
other by jutting premium, trying to corrupt 
and bribe people to be their customers— as if 
this is going to be continued You are forget- 
ting that you are nationalising the industry. 

When you are nationalising an industry, 
you are making a qualitative change in it, 
and when you are making a qualitative change 
in it, certainly you expect certain new 
functions and standards from them. When 1 
say there is an clement of competition, it is 
not a competition in premia. This, really 
speaking, will be a competition in positive 
service to the customers and attracting custo- 
mers on the basis of efficiency and service to 
them. Many hon. Members have asked me. 
Which Is the fiq|d you are thinking ip terms 
of competition ? This the most important 
field in which I am thinking in terms of 
competition. 

But, at the same time, as I said, this is 
not something very fundamental. After the 
working of tie corporation, if one again 
comes back to the fueling that it is not 
working in the way it should work. Parlia- 
ment can always consider it. I am not 
standing on any question of prestige. But, at 
the present moment, I am certainly committed 



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295 General Insurance justness 

[Shri Yeshwantrao Chavap| 

to it, that it is necessarjrito make a goat 
this idea and see how we pan make compe* 
tition in giving qualitative service to the 
customers, in the general insurance field. 
That is the next point. 

# 

Some hon. Members made certain 
suggestions. One comment was about trans- 
ferning people from one corporation or one 
company to the other. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE You 
have accepted the amendment. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
have accepted it. There is unnecessary misun- 
derstanding. As a matter of fact, the idea 
was that it can only be done at the very ini- 
tial stage, when the corporation is formed 
and when, at the higher level, certain talents 
are to be distributed in different companies, 
and if somebody refuses to come, the Govern- 
ment will also have that power. We do not 
want anybody to feel that the Government 
is superimposing itself on the corporation, and 
I accepted that criticism, and I have myself 
brought the amendment to the effect that in 
the place of the Central Government there 
will be the corporation. So, Mr. Dandavate, 
you can see that I am reasonable wherever a 
criticism is acceptable on merits. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : After 3 O* 
clock. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
When I saw that such an amendment has not 
been moved, I moved one. ( Interruption ) 
If you bad moved that amendment, I would 
accept it. I will not move again ; I am not 
bothered. But I did try to see if anybody 
has moved that amendment »to that effect. 
When I saw that nobody has moved, I thought 
it better to move it. 

SHRI P. M. MEHTA : My amendment 
was to delete clause 22 and re-number the 
subsequent clauses. 

c 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
You are trying to delete the entire clause. I 
am not deleting the entire clause. I am sub- 
stitu log, in the place of Government, the 
corporation. 


These are the two or three important points 
which I wanted to make. I do not think 
it needs a very elaborate answer as far as 
compensation is concerned... 

SHRI VASANT SATHE : Now that we 
are going to have four companies to compete 
healthily, I hope there will be no competition 
in terms of their emoluments and wages, etc. 
Will they be clarified ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
There should not be any competition. I wish 
on the workers* side— you are a trade union 
leader— you had better assure me that there 
will not be any competition. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : If 
you pay less wages, we will demand more. 
( Interruption ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The ques- 
tion is : 

"That the Bill to provide for ihe acquisi- 
tion and transfer of shares of Indian 
insurance companies and undertakings 
of other existing insurers in order to serve 
better the needs of the economy by secur- 
ing the development of general insurance 
business in the best interests of the com- 
munity and to ensure that the operation 
of the economic system does not result in 
concentration of wealth to the common 
detriment, for the regulation and control 
of such business and for matters connect* 
ed therewith or incidental thereto, as 
reported by the Joint Committee, be 
takea into consideration.*’ 

The motion was adopted \ 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : As I said, 
1 do not want to be rigid. We will accept 
Mr. Dandavate’s amendment although receiv- 
ed late. You bring them up here please. If 

1 can read and decipher them, well and good. 
If I cannot, I will just put them to the 
House. 

Now, there are no amendments to clause 

2 to 6. The question is : 

"That clauses 2 to 6 stand part of file 
Bill." 

The motbn was adopted . 



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: Clause {Transfer of Service of 
existing employees in certain cases ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are 
amendments given notice of by Shri Somnath 
Chatteijee and Shri S.M. Banerjee. Are you 
moving them ? They have been circulated. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : 1 
move : 

Page 5, line 15— 
add at the end — 

“but such alteration shall not be 
less advantageous to such officer or 
employee” (1) 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I move : 

Page 5— 

omit lines 31 to 36. (8) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Danda- 
vate's amendment is not before me. That is 
the difficulty. Why don’t you bring them 
up ? We are held up because one amend- 
ment is not here. Well, I think it is better 
we adjourn the House for some time until all 
the amendments are ready. 

Why don’t you bring them back ? 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I have moved 
my amendment No. 8. You are not allowing 
them to go to a court of law. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shall we 
adjourn the proceedings for sometime until 
Mr. Dandavate’s amendment comes ? It 
creates difficulties for the Chair. Members 
have to give notice before 3 ; they should 
send them in time so that they could be 
circulated. They do not give them in time. 
These are the difficulties. I do not know 
what the number of Mr. Dandavate's amend- 
ment is. Shall 1 put... 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : My amend- 
ment No. 8—1 have moved. That sub-clause 
of clause 7 does not actually preclude him 
from going to a court of law. But I request 
the hon. Minister to kindly let us know why 


there is this provision. The clause reads : 

1 'Notwithstanding anything contained in 
the Industrial Disputes Act, 1947 or in 
any other law for the time being in force, 
the transfer of the services of any officer 
• or other employee... shall not entitle any 
such officer or other employee to any 
compensation .. and no such claim shall 
be entertained by any court, tribunal or 
other authority.” 

My submission is that an employee is 
denied his right under article 311 or the right 
of natural justice under article 226, by which 
an employee is authorised even to go before 
the Supreme Court. By this clause we say 
that employees of the general insurance cor- 
poration could not possibly approach any 
court of taw. I request the hon. Minister to 
reconsider this matter, and think de nove and 
take legal opinion whether this will be an 
infringement of the fundamental right, whether 
this is not in consonance with our declared 
policy on fundamental rights guaranteed 
under the Constitution. Therefore, I have 
moved this amendment. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I 
have moved my amendment No. 1 

As I said, my amendment is for the 
addition of a few words at the end of sub- 
clause 1. Clause 7 says that after the trans- 
fer of the existing employees in certain cases 
they will be governed by the same terms and 
conditions but that their terms and conditions 
can be altered. What we want to provide 
here is that such alterations shall not be less 
advantageous to such officers or employees. 
It may be said that there may be highly paid 
officers and it may not be necessary to conti- 
nue then. But there is a provision to put 
an end to onerous contracts and under that 
the corporation can get rid of those employees 
or suitably alter their terms and conditions. The 
ordinary employees shou[d be given the statu- 
tory assurance that their terms and conditions 
and remuneration would not be altered in a 
manner less advantageous to them. At least 
I should like to have an assurance from the 
hon. Minister on that. At least that part, 
so far as ordin|ry workmen and employees 
are concerned, should be accepted. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I beg 
to move ; 

“Clause No. 7(3) should be deleted.” (36) 



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299 General Irnur a tw^ Business AUGUSl 

SRRI YESHWANlfiAO CHAVAN : 
The purpose of this clftuse is very obvious. 
As we have to re-structure the present in- 
surance companies we have got at the present 
moment 107 insurance Companies which we 
have to convert into one oorporation and four 
companies-naturatly it would be necessary to 
transfer people. f Therefore, what we have 
done is, in such cases, people should not go to 
the court and delay the whole process of re- 
structuring and integration. Therefore, we have 
said that they will not be able 1 to go to a court 
or tribunal. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : But nobody 
can be stopped from going to court under 
article 226. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 1 
cannot take away that right. That is a different 
matter. 

About the other point, this question was 
raised at the the Select Committee level. I had 
given an assurance there and I certainly would 
like to repeat it here that at least in the case 
of Class III and Class IV employees, their 
interests, i. e. their existing salaries, will be 
protected. In view of what I have said, I 
cannot accept the amendments. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will put 
these amendments Nos. 1 and 8 and 36 of 
Prof. Madhu Dandavate to clause 7. 

Amendments No. 1, 8 and 36 were put and 
negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 

ism 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : You have 
mentioned the name only of Prof. Dandavate. 
You have not mentioned my name. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Suddenly you 
wake up and say that you heard only Prof. 
Dandavate's name. If an alert member like 
Mr. Banerjee day-dreams, then I think there is 
something very wrong with us. 

The question is : 

‘That clause 7 stand ifcrt of the Bill." 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 7 was added to the Bill . 
Clauses 8 to 10 were added to the Bill . 


28, 1972 

Clause 11 — (Amounts to be paid for 
transfer and vesting of shares or m 
undertakings ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are a 
number of amendments. Mr. Chatterjce, are 
you moving all the three of your amendments ? 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Yes, 
Sir. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. Naik is 
not there. I do not think there is any amend- 
ment by Prof. Dandavate to this clause. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg 
to move : 

Page 6, — 

for lines 40 to 45, substitute— 

“11, (1) for the transfer of the shares 
of each Indian insurance company to, 
and vesting in, the Central Govern- 
ment, under Section 4, there shall 
be paid by the Central Government 
to the Corporation such amount as 
will be required to pay to the mem- 
bers of such company whose total 
share holding does not exceed twenty 
five thousand rupees in value to the 
extent of their respective share hold- 
ing not exceeding such value." (2) 

Page 6 and 7,— 

for lines 46 to 49 and lines 1 and 2 respec- 
tively,— substitute— 

“(2) For the transfer to, and vesting 
in, the Central Government, under 
Section 5, of the undertaking of 
each existing insurer, who is not an 
Indian insurance company, there shall 
be paid by the Central Government 
to the Corporation, for payment to 
such existing insurers, subject to sub- 
section (3) of this section, one thou- 
sand rupees for each such such in- 
surer.” (3) 

Page 7,— 

after line 2, insert— 

“(3) For the transfer to. 
and vesting in, the Central 



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Government, under Section 5, of the 
undertaking of Life Insurance Cor- 
poration in so far as it relates to the 
general insurance business carried on 
by it and of an existing insurer who 
is a Co-operative Society and of an 
existing insurer not falling within any 
of the foregoing provisions in this 
section, there shall be paid by the 
Central Government to the Corpora- 
tion, for payment to the Life In- 
surance Corporation and to an 
existing insurer covered by this sub- 
section, the amount specified against 
such insurer in the corresponding 
entry under column 3 of Part A of the 
Schedule’* (4) 

Clause 11 deals with the amounts to be 
paid for transfer and vesting of shares or under- 
takings. There are two sub-clauses, the first deal- 
ing with Indian insurance companies and the se- 
cond dealing with the foreign insurance compa- 
nies cooperative societies, etc. We did not have 
the detailed break-up of the shareholdings 
the percentage of small shareholders etc. 
Only now the minister gave us some sample 
figures. We have provided in clause 11 that 
only certain types of shareholder will be 
paid compensation and only for payment to 
them monies will be provided, and not huge 
amounts as have been mentioned in Part A 
of the Schedule. So far as foreign insurance 
companies are concerned, I do not remember 
hearing the hon. Minister giving any reply as to 
on what basis the amount in Schedule B has 
been fixed as their shares are not being taken up. 
The only reply which the hon. Minister gave 
was with regard to the shareholders’ right being 
taken up So far as foreign insurance com- 
panies arc concerned, that explanation cannot 
apply ; that answer does not deal with the 
question as to what has been taken over by 
the foreign insurance companies, what was 
the value of their undertakings, how much 
money they have realised in the past and how 
much money they have repatriated to their 
respective countries. As these figures are not 
available, we have provided a token payment 
of Rs. 1,000 in respect of foreign companies, 
and that is item No. 3 of the amendment; 

I have suggested a consequential amend- 
ment in item No. 4 to preserve the right of 
L1C in relation to its general insurance 
•business, co-operative societies and other types 
of societies that we have mentioned in Part 


B of the Schedule. That is why we are 
pressing this amendment. We say that there 
is no rational basis which has been disclosed 
here nor has fhe hon. Minister in his reply 
come out with the real basis of compensation 
So, we press these amendments. 

• 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Sir, thinking 
that these amendments will serve the cause 
for which we are fighting, we have also decided 
to support the amendment. Even in the Select 
Committee 1 was unable to understand the 
basis on which the compensation was arrived 
at, whether you call it amount or compensa- 
tion. Even the arguments advanced by the 
companies, which was spearheaded by an 
eminent lawyer like Shri Palkhiwala, mentioned 
that the market value would be Rs. 138 crores 
and they demanded Rs. 87 crores. Ultimately 
it was fixed at Rs. 33 crores. Then, suddently 
for reasons better known to the government, 
one explanation is that it i& to remove the' 
disparity between the Indian and foreign 
insurance companies, another sum of Rs. 5 
crores and odd was added and that is how 
the total compensation amount became Rs. 38 
crores odd. 

The hon. Minister just now said that 94 
or 95 per cent of the shares in some companies 
were held by people who own shares worth 
Rs. 5,000 or less. We put this question at 
the Select Committee We wanted to have a 
list of a few people, let it be 4,000 or 400 or 
even 40, who are solely dependent on their 
dividends. We were not given that informa- 
tion. Not even Shri Palkhiwala, who was so 
eloquently championing the cause of the 
poor people, or Shri J. R. D. Tata who shed 
so much tears for the poor people, could 
provide us a list of that. 

Then, I say that those people who have 
got shares to theftune of Rs. 4,000 or 5,000 
in insurance companies are not middle class 
people, though they originally belonged to the 
middle class. I come from a middle class 
family and I wat> a government employee. Out 
of 38 lakh government employees there may 
be about 100 people who have got shares in 
the insurance companies. If I have got some 
money I will invest it in the national savings 
certificate or cash certificates. So, if a correct 
analysis is made of those persons who have 
got shares in insurance companies, it will be 
found that they have shares worth Rs. 5,000 
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company and so on, anil they are not solely 
depending on that. We oppose this clause 
and we say that the cortpensation should not 
be increased. 

SHRI YE&HWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
The hon. Member, Shri Somnath Chatterjee, 
has moved three amendments, namely, amend- 
ment Nos. 2, 3 and 4. In tht first amendment 
he says that shareholders with a paid-up 
capital of less than Rs. 25,000 shall get only 
the paid-up capital and those who have got 
above that shall get nothing. That is what he 
wants to say, in the case of foreign company. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I 
suggested that for lack of material. You have 
not given us any material. That is the diffi- 
culty. You are keeping the House in the 
dark. 

17.00 hrs. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
Now, in case of undertakings, he says, only 
because there are no share-holdings there, we 
are taking over undertakings and, therefore, 
he has generusly agreed to give them Rs. 
1000 each. This will be not in consonance 
with our approach in this matter.,, 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Why 
not ? 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : 
Naturally. There is an understanding that if 
at all we take over, we pay them a fair 
amount and also prompt payment. Therefore, 
to accept this amendment would be comple- 
tely going back on our own policy. Once we 
don’t agree to accept amendment No. 3, 
amendment No. 4 automatically goes. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, 1 put 
amendment Nos. 2, 3 and 4 to clause 1 1 
moved by Shri Somnath Chatterjee to the 
vote of the House. 

Amendments Nos . 2 to 4 were put 
and negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I then put 
clause 11 to the vote of the House. The ques- 
tion is : 

“That clause 11 stand part of the Bill". 


The Lok Sabha divided : 

Division No. 7] AYES [17-06 hrs, 

*Ambesh, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Babunath Singh, Shri 
Banamali Baba, Shri 
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai 
Bhandare, Shri R. D. 

Bhattacharyyia, Shri Chapalendu 
Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh 
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri 
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Singh 
Cbavan, Shri Yeswantrao 
Chawla, Shri Araar Nath 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Dalbir Singh, Shri 
Dalip Singh, Shri 
Das, Shri Anadi Charan 
Dixit, Shri, G. C. 

Doda, Shri Hiralal 
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar 
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira 
Ganesh, Shri K. R, 

Gautam, Shri C. D. 

Godara, Shri Mani Ram 
Gohain, Shri C. C. 

Gotkhinde, Shri Annasaheb 
Hari Ki>hore Singh, Shri 
Jadeja, Shri D. P. 

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 

Jeyalakshmi. Shrimati V. 

Joshi, Shri Popatlal M. 

Kadannappalli, Shri Ramachandran 
Kader, Shri S A. 

Kailas, Dr. 

Kakodar, Shri Purushottam 
Kakoti, Shri Robin 
Kale, Shri 

Kamala Prasad, Shri , 

Kavde, Shri B. R. 

Khadilkar, Shri R. K. 

Kulkarni, Shri Raja 
Kureel, Shri B. N. 

Lakkappa, Shri K. 

Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini 
Malaviya, Shri K. D. 

Mandat, Shri Jagdish Narain 
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad 
Mehta, Dr. Mabipatray 
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra, ShrfG. S. 

Mishra, Shri Jagannath 


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Misra, Shri S. N* 

Modi, Shri Shrikishan 
Mohsin, Shri P. H. 

Negi f Sbrj Pratap Singh 
Oraon, Shri Tuna 
Panday, Shri Damodar 
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain 
Pandey, Shri Tarkeshwar 
Pratap Singh, Shri 
Parthasarathy, Shri P. 

Peje, Shri S. L. 

Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shafi 
Rai f Shrimati Sahodrabai 
Raj, Bahadur, Shri 
Rajdeo Singh, Shri 
Ram, Shri Tulmohan 
Ram Dhan. Shri 
Ram Surat Prasad, Shri 
Rana, Shri M. B. 

Rao, Shri Jagannath 
Rao, Shri K Narayana 
Rao, Shri Nageswara 
Rao, Shri P. Ankineedu Prasada 
Raut, Shri Bhola 
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimha 
Reddy, Shri P. V. 

Richhariya, Dr. Govind Das 
Rohatgi, Shrimati Sushila 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri 
Sadhh Ram, Shri 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sathe, Shri Vasant 
Satish Chandra, Shri 
Sethi, Shri Arjun 
Shankaranand, Shri B. 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma, Dr. H. P. 

Sharma, Shri Madhoram 
Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore 
Shiva Candika, Shri 
Shukla, Shri B. R. 

Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap 
Sohan Lai, Shri T. 

Stephen, Shri C. M. 

Subramaniam, Shri C. 

Suryanarayana, Shri K. 

Swaminathan, Shri R. V. 

Tarodekar, Shri V. D. 

Tayyab Hussain, Shri 
Tivtary, Shri K. N. 

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. 

Vekaria, Shri 


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Venkatswamy, Shri G. 

Vidyalankar, Shri Amarnath 
Virbhadra Singh, Shri 
Yadav, Shri R P. 

NOES 

• 

Bade, Shri R. V. 

Banerjee, Shri S. M. 

Bhagirath Bhagwar, Shri 
Bhattacharyya, Shri Jagadish 
Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. 

Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy 
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath 
Chowhan, Shri Bharat Singh 
Dandavate, Prof. Madhu 
Dutta, Shri Biren 
Haidar, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Mehta, Shri P. M. 

Mody, Shri Piloo 
Mohammad Ismail, Shri 
Mukerjee, Shri H. N. 

Mukherjee, Shri Samar 
Patel, Shri H. M. 

Ramkanwar, Shri 
Roy, Dr. Saradish 
Saha, Shri Gadadhar 
Sambhali, Shri Ishaque 
Singh, Shri D. N. 

Sokhi, Shri Swaran Singh 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The result* 
of the Division is : 

Ayes 113 ; 

Noes 24. 

The motion ms adopted . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Clause 11 
stands part of the Bill. 

Clause 11 added to the Bill . 

» 

Clause 12— (Disbursement of amounts hy 
Corporation) 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE ; I beg 
to move 

Page 7, lines 7 to 10,— 

for *‘(2) The Corporation shall distri- 
bute the amount paid to it under 
section 11, to the shareholders of 


•The following members also recorded their votes for AYES 

Sarvashri Kartik Oraon, Paripoornanand Painuli, Shyam Sunder Mohapatra and La|ji Bhai. 



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[Sbri Somnath Chatterjdfl 

each Indian insurance company and 
to each existing insurer, who is not 
an Indian insurance company, in 
accordance with their rights and 
interests'* 

substitute * — 

“(2) The Corporation shall distribute 
the amount paid to it under section 
11, to the shareholders of each 
Indian insurance company whose 
shareholding does not exceed in 
aggregate twenty-five thousand rupees 
in value to the extent of their res- 
pective shareholding and to each 
existing insurer, the amount men- 
tioned in sub-section (2) of section 
11” (5) 

Page 7, - 

after line 14, insert — 

“Explanation.— The value of shares 
mentioned in section 11 and in this 
section shall mean the value actually 
paid for the allotment of shares." 
( 6 ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now 
put amendments Nos. 5 and 6 to Clause 12 
by Shri Somnath Chatterjee to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendments Nos 5 and 6 were put and 
negatived, 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEKER : The question, 
is : 

“That Clause 12 staod part of the Bill.” 

The motion was* adopted. 

* 

Chaise 12 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 13 — (Mode of payment) 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg 
to move 

Page 7, lines 21 to 25.— 

emit* 9 , and where it exceeds twenty- 
five thousand rupees, each such member 


shall be paid twentyHflee thousand 
rupees and the balance of the amount 
due to such member shall be 
paid to him in three equal 
annual instalments, the first of which 
shall fall due on the appointed day” (7) 

Page 8,- 

omit lines 6 to 9. (ID) 

So far as payment of amount is concerned. 
Clause 13, as it stands, provides that, where 
the amount exceeds twenty-five thousand 
rupees, each such member shall be paid 
twenty-five thousand rupees and the balance 
of the amount due shall be paid to him in 
three equal annual instalments. I want this 
part to be deleted. 

Then a provision has been made for pay- 
ment of interest at the rate of four per Cent 
per annum. The hon. Minister has made 
certain observations about the rate of interest. 
I submit that sufficient amount is already 
being provided to them and there is no 
justification for payment of further amount 
by way of interest to the big business houses. 

Therefore, I request that my amendments 
may be accepted. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
am not accepting them 

MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER : I shall now 
put amendments Nos. 7 and 10 moved by Shri 
Somnath Chatterjee to clause 13 to the vote of 
the House. 

Amendments Nos. 7 and 10 were put and 
negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall put 
clauses 13, 14, and 15 together to the vote of 
the House. 

The question is : 

“That Clauses 13, 14 and 15 stand part of 

the Bill." 

The motion was adopted , 

Clauses 13 to 15 were added to the Bill- 

Clause 16 -(Schemes for mergers of com - 
ponies etc.) 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg 
to move : 



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30 General Insurance 


Business 
i Page 8,— 

/or lines 40 to 42, substitute— 

“(a) 4he maciger in the Corporation 
of any Indian insurance company 1 * 
( 11 ). 

Page 8, line 43,— 

for “acquiring company*’ subsitute — 
“Corporation” (12) 

Page 8,- 

0/nil lines 47 to 49. (13) 

Page 9,- 

omit lines 1 to 5. (14) 

Page 9, line 6,— 

for “acquiring company” substitute— 
•‘Corporation” (15) 

Page 9, line 14, — 

add at the end — 

“but not in a manner which will be 
less advantageous compared to the 
existing pay scales and other terms 
and conditions” (18) 

Prge 9, line 15, — 

for “acquiring company” substitute 
“Corporation” (19) 

Page 9, line 19,— 

for “acquiring company” substitute 
“Corporation” (20) 

Page 9, — 

omit lines 26 to 44. (21) 

Page 10, line 1,— 

for “acquiring company” substitute 
“Corporation” (22) 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I beg to move: 
Page 9,— 

omit lines 26 to 30- (16) 

Page 9 and 10,— 

omit lines 45 to 47 and 1 to 4 respect- 
ively. (17) 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I beg 
to move : 

Substitute Clause No. 16(l)g by the 
following : 


“(g) the introduction of uniform pay 
scales at a level higher than the 
highest existing and other service 
conditions of such officers and other 
employees, wherever necessary in 
consultation with the employees’ 
representatives.” (37) 

For Clause 16(2), substitute the 
following : 

“In framing schemes under Sub- 
section (1), the object of the Central 
Government shall be to ensure that 
there is only a single autonomous 
corporation in existence with 
uniform standardised wages for its 
employees.” (38) 

Clause No. 16 (4) should be deleted . (39) 

Clause No. 16 (5) should be deleted . (40) 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I would like 
to confine myself to Clause 16, i.e., scheme 
for reorganisation of general insurance busi- 
ness. During the course of the debate, my 
hon. friends, Shri Indrajit Gupta, Shri 
Somnath Chatterjee and the others who 
spoke, with the exception of one or two, 
supported the idea of having one corporation. 
We have been pleading not because of the 
employees, not because the employees’ 
organisations have suggested they should be 
brought under group, one autonomous cor- 
poration and not four companies, but because 
of the observations made during the debate 
during discussions in the Joint Select Com- 
mittee also. Having given a serious thought, 
we came to the conclusion that if we have 
four companies, it will be a retrograde step. 
I follow the observations made by this 
Government, by the Treasury Benches or by 
hon. Members several times in this House 
about public sector units. 1 find that they 
want th&t there should be more centralisation 
and less bureaucratisation. ’ Four companies 
— what does it mean 7 One Corporation 
with four companies would mean that there 
will be five companies, one being the corpo- 
ration itself, and the bureaucracy will have a 
field day and their number will grow more 
and more. If ^our idea is to reduce the 
overhead charges on the top-heavy adminis- 
tration, either on the basis of the ARC report 
or any other report— Mr. Hanumanthaiya 
is here — then, there should not be four 
companies. This idea has been mooted 
primarily by the private sector who were 



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[Shri S, M. Banerjee] ' 

owning these insurance companies and 
secondly, by the bureaucrats who wish to have 
a good day all the time and by forming this 
corporation this way, 1 still feel that the time 
is not far when the bad results of this will 
be realised by r the Government. But that 
will be too late. Am I to understand that 
because in the Life Insurance Corporation 
there is only one Corporation with Zonal 
Offices, Divisional Offices and District Offices 
which are not functioning efficiently, I should 
take it that this is a wrong conception and 
this should be divided also into four 
companies ? If the Life Insurance Corpo- 
ration is functioning correctly and if we do 
not want to add to the overhead charges and 
top-heavy administration and bureaucrati- 
sation, this suggestion should be accepted and 
there should be only one autonomous corpo- 
ration. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : So 
far as these four companies being brought 
into existence ; the explanation given by the 
hon. Minister is that there should be com- 
petition. What will happen ? There will be 
top-heavy administration in five different 
undertakings doing similar type of work. So 
far as the competition is concerned, will there 
be competition in making profits, more and 
more profits ? How can they stop the 
internecine — I do not know — competition ? 
How will you increase the efficiency as such 
by having four companies ? What is the 
magical formula that will be applied by having 
four or five companies in different cities doing 
similar business ? I could have understood 
if these different types of companies were 
allotted different types of insurance work. I 
have raised that question. The hon. Minister 
has not replied to that. Therefore, ail these 
companies will be doing similar or identical 
type of business. There w iii be five sets of 
officers from the top jto the bottom, from the 
Chairman of the companies or concerns, 
Board of Directors, the Board of management 
and everything for all these companies and all 
the top-heavy administration we shall be 
having. This will certainly not result in 
greater efficiency in service teethe customers. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : In 
addition to the amendment proposing a single 
autonomous corporation, I have two addi- 
tional amendments to clause 16. One is : 
16(I)(g) to be substituted by : 


* 4 (g) the introduction of uniform pay 
scales at a level higher than the 
highest existing and other service 
conditions of such officers and 
other employees, wherever necessary 
in consultation with the employees* 
representatives.” 

This is only to ensure uniformity and also 
consultation with the representatives of the 
employees. 

Then, there is also another amendment in 
clause 16(4). It is proposed in the original 
clause for three months* remuneration as 
compensation when he is not satisfied with the 
rationalisation or revision of pay scales and 
other terms and conditions of service. I 
suggest that this clause be deleted. 

The third clause is 16(5). Of course; 
7(3) was deliberated and it was defeated. 
This is only a consequential clause. 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
oppose all the amendments. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : I request 
that my amendment No. 16 may be put to 
the vote of the House separately. We do not 
want four companies. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Apart from 
that all the other amendments can be put 
together. 

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I 
want to know from the Finance Minister 
whether he is opposed to evolve some 
machinery to see that uniformity of wages and 
emoluments are ensured 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : It 
is not necessary to have any legislation for 
that. There are certain matters which can be 
dealt with without legislation. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will now 
put Mr. Banerjee’s amendment No. 16 to the 
vote of the House. Then I will put all the 
other amendments together. 

Now, the questions is : 

‘Page 9,— 

"omit lines 26 to 30.” ' (16) 

The Lok Sabha divided : 



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Business 

Division No. g.] AYES [17.21 hrs 


Bade, Sbrl R. V. 

Banerjce, Shri S. M. 

Bhagirath Bhanwar, Shri 
Bhattacharyya. Shri Jagadish 
Bhattacharyya, Shri S. P. 

Bosu, Shri Jyotirmoy 
Chandra Shekhar Singh, Shri 
Chatterjee, Shri Somnath 
Dandavate, Prof. Madhu 
Dutta, Shri Biren 
Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Kachwai, Shri Hukam Chand 
Lalji Bhai, Shri 
Manjhi Shri, Bhola 
Mehta, Shri P. M. 

Mukerjee, Shri H. N. 

Mukherjee, Shri Samar 
Roy, Dr. Saradish 
Shah, Shri Gadadhar 
SambhaJi, Shri Ishaque 
Shakya, Shri Maha Deepak Singh 


NOES 

Ambesh, Shri 
Austin, Dr. Henry 
Babunath Singh, Shri 
Banamali Babu, Shi i 
Barua, Shri Bedabrata 
Barupal, Shri Panna Lai 
Basappa, Shri K. 

Basumatari, Shri D. 
Bhandare, Shri R. D. 
Bhuvarahan, Shri G. 

Bist, Shri Narendra Singh 
Buta Singh, Shri 
Chakleshwar Singh, Shri 
Chandra Gowda, Shri D. B. 
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lai 
Chaudhay, Shrj Nitiraj Singh 
Chavan. Shri Yeshwantrao 
Chawla, Shri Amar Nath 
Daga, Shri M. C. 

Dalip Singh. Shri 
Das, Shri Anadi Charan 
Desai, Shri D. D. 

Dixit, Shri G. C. 

Doda, Shri Hiralal 
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar 
Ganesh, Shri K. R 
Gangadeb, Shri P. 

Gautam, Shri C. D. 

Godara, Shri Mani Ram 
Gokhale, Shri H. R. 
Gotkhinde. Shri Annasaheb 


Gowda, Shri Pampan 
Hanumanthaiya, Shri K. 

Hari Kishore Singh, Shri 
Hari Singh, Shri 
Jadeja, Shri D. P. 

Jamilurrahman, Shri Md. 
Jeyalakshmi, Shrimati V. 

Joshi, Shri Popatlal MP. 
Kadannappalli, Shri Ramchandran 
Kedar Shri S. A. 

Kailash, Dr, 

Kakodkar. Shri Purushottam 
Kakoti. Shri Robin 
Kalingarayar, Shri Mohanraj 
Kamala Prasad, Shri 
Kamble, Shri T. D. 

Kedar Nath Singh, Shri 
Kotrashetti, Shri A. K. 
Kumaramangalam, Shri S. Mohan 
Kureel, Shri B. N. 

Lakkappa, Shri K. 

Laskar, Shri Nihar 
Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini 
Malviya, Shri K. D. 

Malianna, Shri K. 

Mandal, Shri Jagdish Narain 
Mandal, Shri Yamuna Prasad 
Maurya, Shri B. P. 

Mehta, Dr. Mahipatray 
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti 
Mishra, Shri G. S 
Mishra, Shri Jagannath 
Mishra Shri S. N. 

Modi, Shri Shrikishan 
Mody, Shri Piloo 
Mohapatra, Shri Shyam Sunder 
Mohsin, Shri F. H. 

Naik, Shri B. V. 

Negi , Shri Pratap Singh 
Oraon, Shri Tuna 
Painuli, Shri Paripoornanand 
Pandey, Shri Damodar 
Pandey, Shri Krishna Chandra 
Pandey, Shri Narsingh Narain 
Pandey. Shri Tarkeshwar 
Paokai Haokip, SJiri 
Partap Singh, Shri 
Parthasarathy, Shri P. 

Patel, Shri H. M. 

Patel, Shri Prabhudas 
Patil, Shri S. B. 

Peje, Shri S. L. 

Qureshi, Shri Mohd Shafi 
Rai, Shrimati Sabodrabai 
Raj Bahadur, Shri 
Rqjdeo Singh, Shri 
Ram Dhan, Shri 
Ram Surat Prasad, Shri 



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Ramkanwar, Shri 
Sana, Sbri M. B. 

Rao. Shri Jagannath 
Rao, Shri K, Narayana 
Rao, Shri Nageswara 
Rao, Shri P. Ankmeeda Prasada 
Rathia, Shri Umed Singh 
Raut, Shri Bhcfta 
Reddy, Shri P. Ganga 
Reddy, Shri P. Narasimlfa 
Reddy, Shri P. V. * 

Rohatgi, Sbrimati Su&hila 
Roy, Shri Bishwanath 
Rudra Pratap Singh, Shri 
Sadhu Ram, Shri 
Saini, Shri Mulki Raj 
Salve, Shri N. K. P. 

Samanta, Shri S. C. 

Sethe, Shri Vasant 
Satish Chandra, Shri 
Sethi, Shri Arjun 
Shambhu Nath, Shri 
Shankaranand, Shri B. 

Sharma, Shri A. P. 

Sharma, Shri Madhorarn 
Sharma, Shri Nawal Kishore 
Shenoy, Shri P. R. 

Shetty, Shri K. K. 

Shiva Candika, Shri 
Shukla, Shri B. R. 

Singh, Shri Vishwanath Pratap 
Stephen, Shri C. M. 

Sudarsanam, Shri M. 

Suryanarayana, Shri K. 

Swaminathan, Shri R. V. 

Swami Shri Sidrameshwar 
Tayyab Hussain, Shri 
Tiwari, Shri R G. 

Tiwary Shri K. N. 

Unnikrishnan, Shri K. P. 

Vekaria, Shri 
Venkatswamy, Shri G. 

Vidyalankar, Shri Amarnath 
Vikal, Shri Ram Chandra 
Virbhadra Singh, Shri 
Viswanathan, Shri Q. 

Yadav, Shri R. P. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The result* of 
the division is : 

Ayes : 21 ; Noes : 136 

The motion was negatived . 


( Nationalisation ) Bill 316 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : 1 sbaH now 
put the rest of the amendments to clause 16 to 
vote. 

Amendments Nos . II to 15 , 17 to 22 
and 37 to 40 were put and 
negatived . 

a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That clause 16 stand part of the Bill*’. 
The motion was adopted. 

Clause 16 was added to the Bill. 

Clause 17 was added to the Bill . 

Clause 1%— (Functions of Corporation ) 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I 
beg to move : 

Page 10, — 

for clause 18, substitute — 

“18. The functions of the Corpora- 
tion shall be the carrying on of the 
general insurance business in a 
manner as will secure that such 
business is developed to the best 
advantage of the community.’*. (23) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now 
put this amendment to the vote of the House. 

Amendment No 23 was / ut and 
negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no 
amendment to clause 19. So, I shall put 
clauses 18 and 19 together to vote. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 18 and 19 stand part of the 
Bill”. 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 18 and 19 were aided to the BilL 


•Shri Ram Bhagat Paswan also recorded his vote for NOES. 



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'< Business 

Clause “XU— (Balance of profit how 
to be utilised ) 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg 
to move : 

Page II,— 

(i) omit lines 6 to 11, 

(ii) line 12, for “(2)” substitute “20”. 
(24) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now 
put this amendment to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendment No. 24 was put and 

negatived. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There is no 
amendment to clause 21. I shall therefore, 
put both clause 20 and clause 21 together to 
vote. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 20 and 21 stand part of the 
Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 20 and 21 were added to the Bill. 

Clause 22— (Acquiring companies to 
have the exclusive privilege of carry- 
ing on general insurance 

business) 

Amendment made : 

Page 11, line 38— 

for “Central Government” substitute— 
“Corporation”. (35) 

(Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 
is : 

“That clause 22, as amended, stand part 
of the Bill.” 

The motion was adopted. 

Clause 22. as amended, was added to the 

Bill. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, we 
come to clause 23. Is Shri Somnath Chat- 
terjee moving his amendment 7 


SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I am 
not moving any of my amendments up to 
clause 31. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That makes 
things easy. 

The question is : 

“That clauses 23 to 31 stand part of the 

Bill." * 

The motion was adopted. 

Clauses 23 to 31 were added to the Bill. 

Clauses 32 to 40 were added to the Bill. 

The Schedule 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : I beg 
to move : 

Page 18 — 

omit lines 1 to 49. (34) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He is moving 
only this amendment ? He is not moving the 
other two amendments, namely amendments 
Nos. 32 and 33 ? 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : No, 
Sir. I have moved only amendment No. 34. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall now 
put amendment No. 34 to the vote of the 
House. 

Amendment No. 34 was put and negatived . 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are no 
other amendments to the rest of the Bill. 

The question is : 

“That the Schedufe, clause 1, the Enacting 

Formula and the Title stand part of the 

Bill.” 

The motion was adopted . 

The Schedule, clause 7, the Enacting 

Formula and the Title were added 
to the Bill 

SHRI YESHWANTRAO CHAVAN : I 
move : 

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” 



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SHRI H. N. MUKERJfffi (Calcutta-North 
East) : On a point of orders, Rule 93(2) says 
that when a Bill has undergone amendments, 
the motion that the Bill, as amended, be 
passed shall not be moved on the same day 
on which the consideration of the Bill is con- 
cluded, unless the Speaker allows the motion 
to be made. It nftans, therefore, that the 
Speaker, in his special dispensation, gives a 
decree to that effect and on this occasion, all 
that we have been vouchsafed & that Govern- 
ment wishes to have this Bill rushed through 
this House. 

We have been told also that the Govern- 
ment has got a very benevolent intention of 
getting this Bill passed as quickly as possible 
through the Rajya Sabha. But 1 feel that this 
kind of reference to the Rajya Sabha in order 
to bamboozle the Lok Sabha is entirely anta- 
gonistic to the tradition of the British House 
of Commons which we wish to follow. In 
Britain, in any reference to the other House,— 
they sometimes call it the 'other place* because 
it is not recognised even as the other House 
as compared to the Lower House — would be 
treated as absolutely improper. But here we 
are told we have got to get this Bill through 
the Rajya Sabha and therefore we should rush 
ahead with it. This kind of thing goes on 
repeatedly. When a measure of this description 
is before the House the Third Reading discus- 
sion is an important aspect of the deliberations. 
Therefore, from the point of view of principle 
and also from the point of view of procedure, 
I submit it cannot be done. We are already 
at 5.28 or so. Therefore, it should wait till 
tomorrow. If necessary. Government can go 
to the Rajya Sabha and tell them to sit 
another day. There is no harm in that. This 
House also can sit for another day, if it r 
becomes necessary. If the Speaker is absent, 
you should take the Chair and conduct the 
proceedings. There is nothing t on earth to 
prevent that from being done. If this kind of 
measure is rushed through this House in this 
way, a measure which was brought forth 
reprobation as a symptom of Government’s 
hesitation, indecision and mischievousness, I 
for one refuse to be a party to it. This is 
what I want to place before you in my point 
of order, that it cannot be done today. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : From the very beginning, we have 
experienced similar treatment. It was there 
during the last session also. We want to 


know : did you have a motion before you 
tabled by aay member from the Treasury 
Benches, the ruling party, seeking suspension 
of rule 90(2) ? If so, did you give consent to 
it ? It should not be said that as an after- 
thought that hitherto it is being done. This 
should not be done in a haphazard way. We 
want a clear and categorical answer : did you 
have any motion before this was moved ? If 
so, what was your ruling 7 Have you suspended 
rule 90(2) ? If you have, I am afraid I have 
to point out, with due respect to the Chair, 
that you are incompetent to do it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order, 
please. 

SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : I sup- 
port both the hon . Members. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have no 
motion... 

SHRI R. D. BHANDARE : What was 
the last word he used ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Order 
please. 

I have no such motion before me. I do 
not require any such motion before me. It 
has been the practice in this House many 
times, umpteen times, that Bills, to which 
amendments have been accepted, have been 
passed on the same day. 

Now, I see no special gain in holding it 
over till tomorrow. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Are you 
depriving us of the right that we have to 
express ourselves on this occasion ? It is about 
5.30 now and we have to take up a half hour 
discussion. It is a matter of principle. I do 
not usually raise points of order in this 
House because I know the limitations of this 
House ; at the same time, there are certain 
matters of principle. I do not wish to be 
bamboozled in this House— the way in which 
Government tries to do it. I cannot under- 
stand the manner in which we have to 
function these days. If they want the presiden- 
tial system of government, let them go ahead 
with it. I do not care. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The point is, 
practice. This is what we have been practising. 
Unless there- ( Interrupts ns) 



BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) (Nationalisation) Bill 322 


32$ General Insurance 
Business 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU On a point 
of order, 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You read the 
rule book only now. But there have been 
many, many Bills in which this practice was 
followed. I have said that unless there is some 
very special reason, 1 see no gain in it. In 
any case, we are in the third reading of the 
Bill. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I want to say a 
few words. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : On this 
ruling ? ( Interruption ) As far as this point 
is concerned, I have given the ruling. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : In the third 
Lok Sabha, this rule has come up on many 
occasions. I do not understand why it should 
not be followed now. In the third Lok Sabha, 
I remember this especially. I brought up this 
rule because I recollect it very clearly. What 
happened in the third Lok Sabha on many 
occasions was this. I do not, of course, 
exactly remember the particular Bill and so 
on. ( Interruption ) 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In any case, 
we are reaching— (Interruption) 

AN HON. MEMBER : One word — 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER On this 
point ? I have given my ruling. 

SHRI R. V, BADE (Khargone) : Sir — 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : On this, I 
have given my ruling If it is something else, 
you can speak. 

SHRI R. V. BADE : In practice, nobody 
has raised any objection. Now, the hon. 
Member, Shri Mukerjee, has raised an 
objection. Let the Speaker take note of it. 
(Interruption) 

AN HON. MEMBER : He is not here. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : So what ? 
(Interruption) 

SHRI PILOO MODY: That is the 
same point that I wanted to make. If nobody 
takes objection, H is all right. But if we have 


a rule in the book, it has to be observed even 
if one Member challenges it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Shall I put 
it to the House ? 

' SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I want your 
ruling. I wanted to know if the Speaker had 
by prior act allowed the motion^© be moved. 
I remember umpteen occasions when you have 
referred to the Speaker having done or not 
having done something. You have said, “I 
shall await the decision of the Speaker." The 
Speaker is not here. 

MR DEPUTY-SPEAKER I am the 
Speaker now, 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : You have 
on umpteen occasions referred back the whole 
matter. This is a matter of principle which 
is why I press it. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : For two 
reasons : I have said that we have been 
following this principal in almost all the Bills, 
and because I see .. (Interruption) ... Order 
please. You might have raised it in another 
case. We have been following this principle. 
Because I see no special gain that it should 
be held back to tomorrow, I have allowed it. 
If one wants to speak, one has the right, but 
I have allowed the motion to be moved. This 
is over. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Half-an- 
hour discussion is there. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is 
another issue. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You break 
the rule on that one also. 

• 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please sit 
down. I know that we have crossed 5.30 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU I am not 
satisfied with the explanation. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You have 
raised another issue. That is another issue, 
that we have crossed 5.30. ( Interruption ) 
Order, order. Why don’t you leave the. 
House to me 9 He has raised another issue, 
that at 5.30 we are to take up another item 



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(Nationalisation) BUI 324 


[Mr Deputy-Speaker] 

That is very correct. ( Interruption ) Order, 
please. But very often, in regulating the 
business of the House, we all become a little 
flexible in these matters, and adjust five minu- 
tes or 10 minutes this side and that side. 
Therefore, 1 do not think it is very important. 
I will put the motion to the House. 

SHR1 JYOT1RMOY BOSU : I want to 
make a submission. Yofi have tried to 
evade our question. I am sorry to say. I 
asked you categorically, and it is within my 
rights to ask you and get a clear and categori- 
cal reply, I asked you. “Did the Government 
bring a motion before you that rule 93 be 
suspended ?” You have said “No.” 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I did not 
say no. 

SHRI JYOT1RMOY BOSU : Secondly, 
the proceedings of the House, the behaviour 
of the Chair and ourselves in this House 
should not be more known through failure to 
follow the rules than by following them. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I do not 
accept that. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : I have 
not finished, Sir. Rule 93 is on the statute, 
it is a rule. You cannot avoid it because 
somebody has not done it in the past. There 
was severe criticism on our side. When the 
Aligarh Muslim University Bill was passed in 
a hurry, we were severely criticised on our 
side by the people. {Interrupt ion) We want 
a fair judgment from you. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am giving 
it. Please sit down. < Interruption ) In 
the first place, it is not necessary, and when 
the Minister has stood up and has said, “I 
move that the Bill, as amended, be passed,” 
the motion is before me. The second point 
is, whether I allow it or not. I have said, 
for the reasons that I have mentioned to you, 
I have allowed the motion to be moved 
Therefore I will put it to vhe House. The 
question is ; 

“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.” 
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, at 


the third reading stage, we want to speak. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is the 
right of Members to make submissions at the 
third reading. In that case I would like to 
have the consensus. What do we do ? We 
have already crossed the deadline of 5,30. If 
they want to make submissions in the third 
reading I cannot shut them out. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : You have 
already put it to vote. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I had just 
started ; then they stopped me. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : We shall sit 
till 7 O’clock or 8 O’clock. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am in the 
hands of the House. Once the Order Paper 
is made it should not ordinarily be varied 
during the day. But when special circumstances 
arise the Order Paper also may be varied in 
the sense that time may be adjusted. I am 
in the hands of the House. What should we 
do about this ? The question is whether the 
House would extend the sitting today and 
finish up the Bill today upto the third read- 
ing and take up other items of business later 
on .. (Some Hon. Members Yes)... or adjourn 
this discussion until tomorrow and take up 
some other discussion. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am just 
clarifying the position before the House. 
I am in the hands of the House as 
I said, 1 would like to be guided by the sense 
of the House. What is the desire of the 
House ? 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You can- 
not over-ride the rules of the House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is not 
a question of over-riding the rules. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : The third 
reading discussion is a right which particularly 
the Opposition cherishes. Therefore, to secure 
the consensus of the House, when the Minis- 
ter expresses hitoself in a particular fashion 
and Members appear to respond-— would be 
entirely unfair to the Opposition. 



125 General Insurance bhadra 6, 
Business 

, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am saying 
that it appears to be consensus of the House 
that we shall proceed with this Bill and have 
the third reading and pass the Bill. The 
rest of the business will be taken later on. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : On a point of 
order. May 1 know in what manner the 
consensus of the House is being taken 7 Is it 
a matter of majority decision ? 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : It is my 
decision. If you challenge it, you can chal- 
lenge it. It is my impression that it is the 
consensus of the House. You can challenge 
it if you want. Would you like to challenge 
it, Mr. Mody 7 I am asking you a strai- 
ght question if you challenge my opinion 
about the consensus of the House. You can 
challenge it. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : I am not in 
the habit of challenging the Chair. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Thank you 
very much. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Nor is it up to 
the Chair to lay bets in this fashion. 

I want to know what the word ‘consen- 
sus’ means from the Chair, because if it is a 
question of majority from the way I have seen 
the consensus of the House, you have heard 
seven parties against, and one party for... 

( Interruptions .) The consensus of the 
House is not a matter of majority decision ; 
therefore if you insist I will challenge it. 

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : Sir, 
Item 17 in today’s Order Paper is half^an-hour 
discussion which was to be taken up at 5.30 
p.m. or as soon as the preceding items of 
business are disposed of, whichever is earlier. 
Therefore by 5.30 at the latest it will have to 
be taken up. Under rule 55 the Speaker 
may allot half an hour on three sittings in a 
week for raising discussions on matters of 
sufficient public importance which had been 
the subject of recent question, etc. Therefore, 
allotment has already been made as indicated 
in the Order Paper. Under what procedure 
is this Order Paper being altered 7 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You aie an 
eminent lawyer. Your half-hour discussion 


1694 (SAKA) ( Nationalisation ) Bill 326 

is not taken away. Only the timing is being 
varied in view of the special circumstances 
obtaining in the House, if the members do 
not make their submission in the third reading, 
I will put the question to the House. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY ^OSU : On a point 
of order, Sir. Are you aware of the fact that 
we are sitting one extra hour today and you 
want us to sit linger ? You have taken the 
sense of the House on this point 7 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I have taken 
the sense of the whole House. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : We shall 
never be able to match them in the present 
Housers far as taking the sense is con- 
cerned.... 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : That is not 
my fault. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : You were 
one of us once upon a time. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER I am still a 
member of the House. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : The Deputy- 
Speaker is chosen from amongst the opposi- 
tion. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He belongs 
to the whole House. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Don’t cast 
aspersions on yourself. 

SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I was trying 
to indicate that this unconscionable insistence 
on today being the last day for the completion 
of the discussion on # this Bill is due to the 
preoccupation of Government with the Rajya 
Sabha, which you have already mentioned. 
It is completely unparliamentary, something 
that goes against the gram of parliamentary 
democracy. Is that to be foisted upon us ? 
What happen if at 5.30 whatever is there on 
the Order Paper is taken up and this Bil! is 
passed tomorrow. If they want to assert their 
weight of numbers, I would not like to speak 
in that sort of circumstance. I have lots of 
things to say, but I would not like to say then 
if Government behaves in this fashion* 



327 General Insurance business AUGUST 28, 1972 


(Nationalisation) Bill 328 


MR. SHYAMNANOAN MISHRA : 
"Adjustment”, "variation: in time” etc. are 
nice-sounding words, but when the adjustment 
has to be made to suit the convenience of the 
Opposition, it is never the pleasure of the 
Chair to grant it. When we are to sit for 
an extra hour, you ask us to do so, in 
Spite of the strains s we are undergoing from the 
morning. But you do not take up the item that 
is fixed at 5.30 according to the schedule. We 
are really not able to understand it. I would 
request you to stick to the schedule and not 
vary it. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : On a point of 
order, Sir. This Bill has undergone a good 
amendment, which has been moved by the 
Finance Minister himself and passed by this 
House. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You are 
making the same point, no new point. 

SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : That is because 
great men think alike. Another important 
issue is, we are having another discussion at 
6 P. M. Nothing is going to be lost ; after all, 
Rajya Sabha is not sitting now waiting for 
this Bill to be passed. They have already 
gone. Let us send the Bill to Rajya Sabha 
tomorrow. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN (Wandi- 
wash) : We agree in the Business Advisory 
Committee to sit till 7 o’clock purposely to 
discuss the light railways under Rule 193 and 
also to have the half-an-hour discussion. If 
we do not take up the half-hour discussion 
at 5 30, the other discussion will be scuttled. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Why ? We 
will sit late. 

SHRI G. VISWANATHAN : We have 
had no lunch hour. This is the maximum 
accommodation we can give. This is very 
unreasonable You will have to take up the 
item on the agenda. 

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SHRI PILOO MODY : The only way 
that the Government can have its way is to 
take up the business from the agenda at the 
time at which it is stated and then, if they 
wane, they can meet thereafter. If they are 
very anxious to pass the Bill, let them incon- 
venience themselves. Let them wait till the 
other business is over. This is something 
which I have been suggesting over and over 
again in the past also First of all. Govern- 
ment allow too little time for these things. 
They are anxious to see that the discussion is 
cut, the session is cut so that they can all go 
on their European trips, and yet when it 
comes to inconvenience of an hour or two, 
they are not prepared to put up with it. 
Why should the opposition be inconvenienced ? 
We have certain rights which you should 
protect. Therefore, the half an hour discus- 
sion should be taken up at 5.30 p m., the 
other discussion at 6 p.m. and, thereafter, 
they can meet til) midnight or whatever time 
they want .... ( Interruptions ). 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have listened 
to everybody. I am again saying that I am 
in the hands of the House, I have said 
before ..( Interruptions ) I will learn the rules 
from you when I am outside. Then you can 
please teach me what the rules are...(/wter- 
ruptions) To me the sense of the House is 
to finish the consideration of the Bill first and 
then take up the rest of the items later on. I 
will put it to the House ( Interruption 3 ), 

SHRI PILOO MODY : In this House we 
will not allow ourselves to be pushed around 
in this way. I am sorry, I am not prepared 
to be pushed around by members, no matter 



3J9 General Insurance BHADRA 6, 

; Business 

what their number may be.. ( Interruptions ) 

SHRI K. S. CHAVDA : Sir. it is for the 
Chair to protect the private members. 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : Sir, may I 
assure you anc) our friends that it is not our 
desire to embarrass them and it is none of 
our desire to make them sit here longer than 
necessary. Were it not for the very simple 
reason that Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha are 
committed to sit up to a particular date, we 
would not have insisted on this. I have just 
now received a long letter signed by about 
all the members of the opposition and some 
members from this side also that the ICS 
officers Abolition of Privileges Bill should 
also be passed this session. Then we have 
got the Delhi University Bill, the Report of 
the Commissioner for Scheduled Castes and 
Scheduled Tiibes and soon. All these items 
have to be finished by the 2nd September. 

SHRI PILOO MODY : Why not extend 
the session ? 

SHRI RAJ BAHADUR : It is not in my 
hands. BAC has decided that, and only the 
BAC can change its recommendations. Shri 
Piloo Mody has suggested that the business 
scheduled for 5 30 and 6.00 p.m should be 
taken up first and then this Bill may be taken 
up afterwards. We are agreeable to that. We do 
not mind this Bill being taken up at 7 O Clock 
and we are prepared to sit as long as necessary. 
We want to accommodate Shri Piloo Mody, 
We are accepting his suggestion, we are 
accepting that. 

SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : 
My submission is that the hon. Minister had 
himself asked us to sit for an extra day on 
the 2nd— that was circulated ampngst us, the 
members of the Business Advisory Committee 
— when they wanted to take up the Twenty- 
ninth Constitution Amendment Bill. Now, 
if the business of the House goes on accumu- 
lating like that and, even after sitting for 
extra, 2 hours, we are not able to finish 
the business, then the only reasonable 
course is to extend the session by a day. And 
he did want to sit on the 2nd. That is the 
only reasonable course. 

May I submit to you that I had made a 
complaint in the beginning of the session that 


1894 (SAKA) {Nationalisation) Bill 330 

every session is being shortened ? This 
session has been shortened by a wetk. Is it 
the way to run parliamentary democracy in 
this country ? Every session is being 
shortened. The last session was shortened by 
10 days. The hon Minis^r asks us to ga 
by the advice of Mr. Piloo Mody. Although 
he happens to be a good friend of ours, we 
are not going to conform to his advice 
in this particular mrtter because we do not 
want to sit for more than 2 hours extra. 

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : Mr. Raj 
Bahadur was not present in the last meeting 
of the Business Advisory Committee. I 
represented my party in the last meeting of 
ihe Business Advisory Committee. There, 
we had agreed and bound ourselves to sit 
upto 7 O'Ciock and not beyond that We 
had agreed to forgo lunch hour ; we had 
agreed to sit on Saturdays Now, how much 
do you wish to stretch us ? Let us know 
here and now so that we can take recourse to 
the Factories Act for working extra hours. 

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SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : I have been 
shouting in vain in order to press some of the 
norms of parliamentary democracy. I do 
not think you have ever heard or read that a 
substantial discussion *in the House of 
Commons was sought to be throttled by 
reference to the lack of time because the 
House of Lords had to be approached. I am 
sure between the two Houses here, in this 
country, there is no such sense of antogonism 
which there was in England. But, any how, 
let not any reference to the Rajya Sabha be 
ever made an excuse for throttling or shorten- 
ing discussion in the Lok Sabha. The 
Ministers are responsible to the Lok Sabha 
and to nowhere else. Therefore, if they want 
this thing to be passed, they can get the 
R^jya Sabha sitting extended by another day. 



331 General Insurance business 
{Nationalisation Bill 
fShri H. N. Mukcrjee] 

If they do not want to tit another day, I 
don’t care. Quite apart from the substance 
of the matter, what we say on the third 
reading of the Bill is not so important because 
' I know they will throw over-board whatever 
suggestions are made From the point of 
view of parliamentary democracy, I wish, you, 

Sir, put your foot down to agy reference being 
made, that is, to this matter having to be 
taken to the Rajya Sabha and, therefore, no 
time being given in this House in order to 
enable the legislation to go through. 

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Construction of Ply. Bridge 332 
at Safdarjang 
SOME HON MEMBERS : No, no. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No about 
what 1 ( Interruption ) There are only two 
questions. Would you like to resume the 
discussion on this Bill later, after those two 
items have been disposed of or would you 
like to take up the Third Reading of the 
Bill now ? 


SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If you want 
neither, I will put the motion to the vote of 
the House. 

SOME HON. MEMBERS : No, no. 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question 


“That the Bill, as amended, be passed,” 
The motion was adopted . 


AUGUST 28, 1972 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The point 
raised by Mr. H. N. Mukerjee is very valid. 
It is very unfortunate that reference should be 
made to the business of the Rajya Sabha. 
This House cannot be influenced by what goes 
on in Rajya Sabha just as we do not except 
Rajya Sabha to be influenced by what goes on in 
this House. This is an accepted Parliamentary 
code. But theie has been no basic change 
to the basic question. The only change is a 
very marginal change — a suggestion has been 
made by the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs 
that, if the members are keen about taking up 
♦he other two items, those items can be taken 
up now and then discussion on this Bill can be 
resumed... ( Interruptions ). 

SHRI B. P. MAURYA (Hapur) : We 
have already wasted half an hour in this. 

( Interruption ). 

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You are not 
helping in any way. This i#the situation. I 
would like to say again that I am in the hands 
of the House, whatever the House wants to do. 
Do you want to continue with the Third 
Reading now and finish with this Bill Or do 
you want to take up the other two items now 
and then 1 resume the discussion on this Bill 
later? 


MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now we take 
up the half-an-hour discussion. 

Mr. N. K P. Salve 


17 59 hrs. 

[Shri K. N. Tuvary in the Chair J 

HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION BE 
CONSTRUCTION OF RAILWAY 
OVERBRIDGE AT SAFDARJANG 
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331 Construction of 

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Rly. Bridge at 334 

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SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond 
Harbour) : Sir, this Shahdara-Sahranpur Light 
Railway, one of Martin Burns, creatures, was 
closed on the 1st September, 1970. I cannot 
understand why the Government could not take 
over the railways. Because the poor, common 
men have no vested interests’ lobby function- 
ing in Delhi, and that is why we see today 
that Government is so very anxious to take 
over Balmer Lawrie at double the cost to 
benefit somebody, and that is very good to 
them. 

The length of this railway line is 172.7 
km., and this railway ran on an average 22 
daily passenger trains, and it carried on an 
average 12,000 passengers. This did not include 
the goods trains. That shows that the busi- 
ness was very brisk and it was fully supported 
and patronised and it was really essential for 
the people m that area. They had 1,400 
employees. If we calculate that way, that is, 
taking five dependents for one employee, this 

railway provided living bread and butter for 

7,000 people in the country. Sir, these employees 
received very low wages. The total wage of 
an employee came to as low as even Rs. 100. 

There was a survey committee instituted 
by the Government of India, and it says— I 



3|5 Disc, on Reopening of BHADRA 6, 1894 (SAKA) S. S. Light Rly. 346 


am quoting an extract 

“ ' Although the services provided by the 
light railway companies generally leave 
much to be desired, some of them are 
serving a very useful purpose and in their 
case, at any rate, if they are to suspend 
operation, the road services will not, it 
is felt, be able to cater for the entire 
volume of traffic offiered. Accordingly, 
it is necessary to ensure that these 
railways continue to operate and strive 
to improve the services to standards 
comparabla with those of other railway 
systems including broad gauge and metre 
gauge.*’ 

They have a pious Industrial Policy Re- 
solution which clearly indicates that Railways 
must be in the public sector. They draft a 
Bible for themselves and then they would be 
more identified for its violation than to its 
adherence; that is the strongest thing. 

I know they have no transport economist. 
The huge railways system involving Rs 4,000 
crores, Indian money, the largest public sector 
enterprise has not got a proper, mature, 
experienced, academiclly educated transport 
economist. That is why you always catch the 
wrong end of the stick. This is one of the 
cheapest frames of transport, the railways, 
water transport cheapest. Road transport comes 
last, i give the example of Howrah-Anta 
light and Howrah Sheakhala light railway. 
For a monthly ticket, the small trader and 
the small clerk who came to the city for 
wotking, they paid Rs 17. When it was stopped, 
they had to pay Rs 65 for the same journey. 
As a result he stopped coming to the city 
and lost his source of income or he came and 
crowded the slums of Calcutta, to avoid paying 
the railways fares. Traction by railways could 
be done at a fraction of the cost of running 
the road transport. It is unfortunate that 
even after 25 yegrs they do not have an 
integrated national transport policy. Am 1 
not throwing pearls before swines ? I had 
been writing to them for the last five years, 
to various Ministries and the Prime Minister 
that unless you have an integrated national 
transport policy, you cannot really take 
correct* decisions. So far they have been unable 
to do it. The ones that we had near Calcutta 
which had been closed down were serving the 
poorer sections in the hinterland and the 
interior, particularly people from the low 
Income group. 


But the trouble is that in the Planning 
Commission and in the Government, there is 
a very powerful road transport lobby which 
caters to the needs of the foreign investment 
oriented road transport although road trans- 
port costs may be 4-5 times. In spite of that it 
is being forced upon the common working 
man in the country. Howrah-Anta and Howrah 
Sheakhala employed 1600 persons. Arrah 
Sesaram and Futwal I&lampur had 900 
employees, Sahflra-Saharanpur, 1400 and in 
the head office it had 30) persons. The track 
length covered by Howrah-Anta was 86 km 
and that of Howrah-Sheakhala was 31 km ; 
Arrah-Sesaram covered 114 km and Futwal- 
Islampur, 47 km while Sahdra-Saharanpur 
covered 172 kms. 

As for the number of trams, Howrah- 
Anta and Howrah-Sheakhala ran 84 trains 
carrying 30,000 passengers; Arrah-Sasaram 
ran 18 trains carrying 8,000 passengers. Futwal- 
lslampur ran 14 trains and carried 6.000 
passengers while Sahdra-Saharanpur ran 22 
trains carrying 12,000 persons. 

All that I wanted to say is : have they 
understood the business ? What do they 
believe in ? In over capitalisation ? These 
light railways are very old and the intrinsic 
value o^book value of the assets have become 
next to '‘nothing In spite of that they are 
rendering a gieat service, a beneficial service to 
your economy. You are running a great social 
service and serving people at practically no 
cost. Suppose you want to replace these light 
railways by buses, how much money would be 
required ? About twenty times the money 
involved in the light railways. You do not 
care for them because you do not understand 
transport economics, the value of over-capi- 
taflisation or under-capitalisation. 

As far as Howrah-Amta and Howrah- 
Sheakhala are concerned, I regret to say that 
a particular political party had been playing 
politics and had befen dilly-dallying For 
year people suffered. Although the Prime 
Minister in her election meetings had given an 
assurance in 1971, it was delayed till such a 
long time. Now we read about it but we have 
to see what actually happens. 

We are struggling for reopening these two 
railways since December, 1970, but now they 
want to reap a political dividend. Therefore, 
they are talking about reopening it I want 
to urge on the Minister through you that 



AUGUST 28, 1972 


S.S. Light My. 348 


347 Disc . on keopeninjjj of 

[Shri Jyotirmoy Bosu] 

the employees of all these light railways should 
be brought under the rules abd regulations of 
the indian standard railways and whatever 
those employees get, the employees of light 
railways also should get. 1 also urge that the 
light railways should be taken over, improved 
tfnd brought to a Standard and not abolished. 

Finally, I urge on the minister to spell out 
clearly and truthfully here wfiat the Govern- 
ment’s decision is with regard to Sahdara- 
Saharanpur light railways and also other light 
railways that are doing a great service to the 
people of this country. 

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AUGUST 2 *. 1972 


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